[00:00:00] **Mayor Tim Busse:** WELCOME. IT IS MONDAY MAY 22ND, 2023 AND I'M GOING TO CALL THIS CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOR THE CITY BLOOMINGTON TO ORDER. WE WILL START OUR MEETING AS WE ALWAYS DO. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE RISE AND JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ONCE AGAIN, THANKS TO EVERYBODY WHO'S JOINING US HERE IN THE CHAMBERS AND EVERYBODY WATCHING ONLINE TONIGHT ON A GORGEOUS SPRING EVENING. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR BEING HERE INSIDE WITH US. I'M 80 DEGREES AND SETTING STILL AT 630 IN THE EVENING. OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA AND OF OF NOTE TONIGHT IS APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. OUR AGENDA INCLUDES A TOTAL OF THREE INTRODUCTORY ITEMS. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN INTRODUCTION OF NEW EMPLOYEES AND THEN TWO PROCLAMATIONS ONE FOR PUBLIC WORKS WEEK AND ANOTHER PROCLAMATION REGARDING MEMORIAL DAY. ITEM THREE OUR CONSENT BUSINESS COUNCILMEMBER CARTER HAS CONSENT THIS EVENING AND WE HAVE 15 ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THIS EVENING. UNDER ITEM FOR OUR HEARINGS, RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS. OUR FIRSTWO PUBLICEARINGS THE FIR BEING A VACATION OF PUBLIC DRAINAGE UTILITY, SIDEWALK ETC. AND THE SECOND ITEM 4.2 IS A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PROPOSED LICENSE AND PERMIT FEE CHANGES. THOSE SHOULD BE SHORT ONES. AND ITEM 4.3 A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE CITY CODE AMENDMENTS AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TEXT AMENDMENT WITH THE ENGLAND TWO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STANDARDS WHICH WE'VE COVERED BEFORE AND WILL BE WRAPPING UP TONIGHT HOPEFULLY. AND THEN ITEM 4.4 IS A PUBLIC HEARING. AGAIN COMP PLAN AMENDMENT IN RESPONSE TO A 2022 SYSTEM STATEMENT ISSUED BY THE METROPOLITAN COUNCIL UNDER ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESS ITEM 5.1 IS A CONSIDERATION OF A SOLID WASTE RATE STUDY THAT THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT ABOUT HOW WE COULD PERHAPS ADJUST OUR RATES TO ENCOURAGE MORE USAGE OF OUR ORGANICS AND RECYCLING AND PLAIN RECYCLING PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. ITEM 5.2 IS A LEGISLATIVE UPDATE BY MIKE SABLE. MR. SABLE IT'LL BE CHANGING RIGHT UP UNTIL THE MINUTE YOU GET IT YOU GIVE THE THE LEGISLATIVE UPDATE I THINK SO WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES. LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT AND THEN WE'LL FINISH THE EVENING WITH ITEM 5.3 OUR CITY COUNCIL POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS OR CHANGES? [00:03:15] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** OH MAYOR JUST WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION IF WE WANTED TO REARRANGE ANYTHING TODAY WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF THINGS POSSIBLE REARRANGING ESPECIALLY MOVING ITEM 4.3 BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S GOING TO HAVE THE MOST MOST INTEREST WHETHER WE MOVE IT UP OR MOVE IT BACK AND I'M NOT SURE YOU KNOW I KNOW MOVING IT UP SATISFIES ONE GROUP WHEN WE GET BACK SATISFIES ANOTHER. MY INCLINATION RIGHT NOW IS TO LEAD THE AGENDA AS WE ARE OUT AND KIND OWORK THROUGH I AS QUICKLY AS WE POSSIBL CAN AS QUICKLY AS INEFFICIENTLY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. [00:03:50] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THAT MAKES GOOD SENSE. I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE QUESTION BECAUSE I KNOW SOMETIMES WHEN WE HAVE THINGS ON THE AGENDA WE WANT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU, COUNSEL. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? IF NOT, I WILL MOVE APPROVAL OF TONIGHT'S AGENDA [00:04:10] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** SECOND [00:04:12] **Mayor Tim Busse:** GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER ALONE TO APPROVE TONIGHT'S AGENDA. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSED MOTION CARRY SEVEN ZERO AND WE HAVE AN AGENDA OUR FIRST ITEM TONIGHT IS ITEM 2.1 INTRODUCTION OF NEW EMPLOYEES WE DO THIS FAIRLY REGULARLY NOW AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING A VERY GOOD THING THAT WE DO HERE AT OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET THE NEW EMPLOYEES HERE FOR THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON GE THERE, HAV THEM SAY HELLO TO THE COUNCIL BUT AO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE WATCHING AT HOME OR HERE IN THE CHAMBERS GET TO SEE NEW EMPLOYEES AND IF THEY RECOGNIZE THEM THEN OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AT SOME POINT THEY'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO STOP AND SAY HELLO. SO WE'VE GOT FOUR NEW EMPLOYEES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING TO TONIGHT. FIRST, LET'S START WITH OUR FOLKS FROM COMMUNITY SERVICES. I THINK I SAW DIANE THERE'S DIANE. VERY GOOD. GOOD EVENING, MS. CHAMBERS. WELCOME. [00:05:20] **Diane (City Staff):** GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. I AM PLEASED TO INTRODUCE TO YOU TONIGHT TWO NEW MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT AND WE WILL START WITH AMNA ABDULLAHI WHO IS A NEW PUBLIC HEALTH SPECIALIST DASH ASSESSMENT QUALITY AND ACCREDITATION PLANNER AMNA ABDULLAHI CAME TO THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON FROM BOYNTON HEALTH WHERE SHE SERVED AS A PATIENT ASSISTANT AND PUBLIC HEALTH COMMUNICATION ASSOCIATE . HER RESPONSIBILIES INCLUD WORKING WITHATIENTS AND CLINIC STAFF TO ENSURE QUALITY CARE, PATIENT SAFETY AND SATISFACTION. SHE WAS ALSO PART OF THE CLINIC'S URGENT CARE WORKGROUP AND DIVERSITY EQUITY AND INCLUSION COMMITTEE. AMNA GRADUATED FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH WITH A MASTER'S IN PUBLIC HEALTH ADMINISTRATION AND POLICY. SHE IS PASSIONATE. SHE TELLS US ABOUT ALL THINGS PUBLIC HEALTH. SHE'S TOLD US THAT SHE'S REALLY EXCITED TO JOIN OUR POPULATION HEALTH AND PLANNING TEAM AND BE PART OF THE CONTINUOUS WORKING EFFORT TO ENACT LASTING CHANGE IN OUR COMMUNITIES. PLEASE WELCOME AMNA ABDULLAHI THANK YOU SO MUCH . ALL RIGHT. AND THEN I'M ALSO PLEASED TO HAVE YOU MEET TODD JENSEN WHO IS A NEW MALE COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY. TODD JENSEN JOIN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AS A MALE COORDINATOR ON FEBRUARY 6TH AFTER SEVERAL YEARS PREVIOUSLY AS A MALE CARRIER, TODD SERVED AS IN PORT EDWARDS, WISCONSIN AS POSTMASTER FOR 24 YEARS WHILE THERE HE MADE A CAREER OF COLLECTING, SORTING AND DELIVERING MAIL WHILE PROVIDING A SAFE, CLEAN AND FUNCTIONAL ENVIRONMENT AT THE TOWN'S POST OFFICE HE FOLLOWED UP THAT POSITION WITH SIX YEARS RUNNING A MAIL ROOM FOR THE FOR A MINNEAPOLIS LAW FIRM WITH MORE THAN 400 EMPLOYEES. TODD IS FENDLY AND KNOWLEDGEABLE, HAS MADE QUICK WORK OF LEARNING HOW OUR CITY MAILROOM OPERATES. PLEASE WELCOME TODD JENSEN. [00:07:30] **Mayor Tim Busse:** WELCOME TODD GOOD EVENING. [00:07:32] **Todd Jensen:** GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU [00:07:34] **Mayor Tim Busse:** WELCOME TO BOTH OF YOU. THANKS VERY MUCH FOR BEING WITH US THIS EVENING. THANKS FOR TAKING THE TIME TO COME HERE AND SAY HELLO AND WELCOME ABOARD TO THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. WE'RE VERY GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE. WELCOME. THANK YOU. THANK AND WE ALSO HAVE OUR TWO NEW EMPLOYEES IN OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND I SEE MR. KIEH COMING FORRD TO MAKE THE INTRODUCTIONS [00:08:00] **Karl Keel (Public Works):** LEAVING COUNSEL PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE TWO NEW EMPLOYEES WE HAVE IN PUBLIC WORKS BOTH IN OUR MAINTENANCE DIVISION AND I'LL START WITH KRISTA KRISTA DAVERN COMES TO US WITH OVER 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN FACILITIES MANAGEMENT AND SHE'S OUR NEW FACILITIES SUPERVISOR ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT. MOST OF HER TIME WAS SPENT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA. MOST RECENTLY SHE WAS IN CHARGE OF EAST CLIFF WHICH IS THE HOME OF TH OF THE PRESIDENTF THE UNIRSITY AND I THINK OF THE GOVERNOR FOR FOR ABOUT A HALF A YEAR COMING UP HERE AS WELL. SO SHE HAS A BACHELOR OF ARTS AND CERTIFICATE IN CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT BOTH FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA AND WHILE SHE GREW UP IN INDIANA, SHE DOES HAVE A LOT OF CONNECTIONS TO BLOOMINGTON AND HER FIRST TWO JOBS WERE HERE IN BLOOMINGTON. ONE AT HIGHLAND HILLS AND THEN ALSO AT THE MALL OF AMERICA. AND HER MOM WAS THE PRINCIPAL HARPIST FOR THE BLOOMINGTON SYMPHONY UNTIL JUST RECENTLY WHEN NOT AT WORK. KRISTI LOVES DOWNHILL SKIING AND BIKING AND SHE'S ALSO AN AVID KNITTER SO CHRISTIAN, GOOD EVENING. [00:09:15] **Krista Davern:** WELCOME. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE IN BLOOMINGTON. I'M EXCITED TO BE PART OF THE FACILITIES TEAM AND I BELIEVE BUILDING SHOULD WORK FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THEM AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO MAKING THE BUILDINGS AND THE CITY WORK FOR EVERYONE AGAIN. THANK YOU [00:09:35] **Karl Keel (Public Works):** SO OUR SECOND PERSON IS IS TIM BEHRENDT AND TIM IS OUR NEW MAINTENCE SURINTENDENT AND SO TIM COMES TO US WITH OVER 25 YEARS OF PUBLIC WORKS EXPERIENCE MOST RECENTLY WITH THE CITY OF NORTHFIELD AS OUR STREET AND PARK MANAGER. BUT TIM IS REALLY NOT NEW TO BLOOMINGTON BUT THE BULK OF HIS EXPERIENCE WAS ACTUALLY IN BLOOMINGTON PUBLIC WORKS. HE HAS ALMOST 20 YEARS OR OVER 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WORKING AS AN OPERATOR IN OUR MAINTENANCE DIVISION. SO HE HAS HAS A DEGREE IN FINANCE FROM SAINT CLOUD STATE AND ALSO A DEGREE IN CIVIL ENGINEERING FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA. SO HE'S A HARD WORK HARD WORKING GUY, WORKED HARD HERE, WORKED HARD GOING TO SCHOOL AT NIGHT FOR THOSE TWO DEGREES. HE LOVES TO DO PROJECTS AROUND THE HOUSE FROM FINISHING HIS BASEMENT TO A THREE SEASON PORCH, PLAYS GOLF WHEN HE'S ABLE AND HE'S ALSO A PAID ON CALL FIREFIGHTER WITH THE CITY OF ROSEMONT HAS BEEN FOR 15 YEARS SO WE'D LIKE TO WELCOME TIM BACK TO OUR RANKS. TIM WELCOME. [00:10:45] **Tim Behrendt:** THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS IT'S GREAT TO BE BACK HERE AT BLOOMINGTON. IT'S A GREAT ORGANIZATION AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH ALL THE GREAT COWORKERS THAT I'VE HAD FUTE PREVIOUS WORKING RELATIONSHIPS WITH AND NEW ONES AS WELL. SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO GIVING A GREAT SERVICE TO THE RESIDENTS AND VISITORS OF BLOOMINGTON HERE. THANK YOU ALL. [00:11:10] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU BOTH SO MUCH FOR BEING WITH US THIS EVENING AND YOU'RE JOINING US A GREAT DEPARTMENT. GREAT DEPARTMENT. SO WELCOME ABOARD. GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU . NEXT TWO ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA ARE PROCLAMATIONS. SO I'M GOING TO COME DOWN TO THE PODIUM EVERY SINGLE TIME EVERY SINGLE TIME. WELL, THIS TIES NICELY WITH OUR LAST INTRODUCTION AND TIES VERY NICELY WITH THE CELEBRATION THAT WE HAD HERE AT CIVIC PLAZA OVER THE WEEKEND. AND I'M TO POINT TO AS A PROCLAMATION FOR PUBLIC WORKS WEEK AND I'LL READ THE PROCLAMATION AND THEN WE CAN TALK A BIT ABOUT PUBLIC WORKS AND OUR PUBLIC WORKS. OPEN HOUSE SO A PROCLAMATION PUBLIC WORKS WEEK MAY 21ST THROUGH THE 27TH 2023 WHEREAS PUBLIC WORKS SERVICES PROVIDED IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE AN INTEGRAL PART OF RESIDENTS EVERYDAY LIVES. AND. WHEREAS, THE SUPPORT OF AN UNDERSTANDING AND INFORMED CITIZENRY IS VITAL TO THE EFFICIENT OPERATION OF PUBLIC WORKS SYSTEMS AND PROGRAMS SUCH AS WATER, SEWERS, STREETS AND HIGHWAYS, PARK MAINTENANCE, PUBLIC BUILDINGS, SOLID WASTE COLCTION AND SNOW REMOVAL. AND. WHEREAS, THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND COMFORT OF THIS COMMUNITY GREATLY DEPENDS ON THESE FACILITIES AND SERVICES AND. WHEREAS, THE QUALITY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF THESE FACILITIES AS WELL AS THEIR PLANNING, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION IS VITALLY DEPENDENT UPON THE EFFORTS AND SKILL OF PUBLIC WORKS OFFICIALS. AND. WHEREAS, THE EFFICIENCY OF THE QUALIFIED AND DEDICATED PERSONNEL WHO STAFF PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENTS IS MATERIALLY INFLUENCED BY THE PEOPLE'S ATTITUDES AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE IMPORTANCE OF THE WORK THEY PERFORM NOW THEREFORE I'M HERE. TIM BUSSEY DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF MAY 21ST OF THE 27TH 2023 AS PUBLIC WORKS WEEK IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AND I CALL UPON ALL RESIDENTS AND CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS TO ACQUAINT THEMSELVES WITH THE ISSUES INVOLVED IN PROVIDING OUR PUBLIC WORKS AND TO RECOGNIZE THE CONTRIBUTIONS WHICH PUBLIC WORKS OFFICIALS MAKE EVERY DAY TO OUR HEALTH, SAFETY, COMFORT AND QUALITY OF LIFE DATA THIS 22ND DAY OF MAY 2023 I COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH THE THE IMPORTANCE OF EDUCATING AND INFORMING AND WELCOMING IN FOLKS TO SHOW THEM EXACTLY WHAT PUBLIC WORKS DOES AND ON SATURDAY WE HAD A PUBLIC WORKS OPEN HOUSE AND I DON' KNOW HOW MANYOLKS WERE THEREUT IT WAS A LOT. I KNOW YOU WENT THROUGH A LOT OF POPCORN A LOT OF A LOT OF HOT DOGS. THE THE LINE OF KIDS WAITING TO RIDE IN THE VEHICLES IN THE TRUCKS. I LITERALLY THOUGHT THEIR HEADS WERE GOING TO EXPLODE. THEY WERE SO EXCITED AND IT WAS JUST SUCH A WONDERFUL COMMUNITY EVENT AND IT DOES IT DID SO MUCH OF WHAT WE'VE WHAT I JUST READ ABOUT HERE TRYING TO TAKE AWAY THE THE THE MISUNDERSTANDINGS, THE LACK OF KNOWLEDGE, THE SECRECY OF WHAT HAPPENS WITHIN PUBLIC WORKS. THESE ARE GOOD FOLKS DOING GOOD HARD WORK WITHIN THE CITY. THE WORK THAT WE NEED TO PLOW THE STREETS, MAKE SURE THE WATER TURNS ON AND OFF THEY take CARE OF OUR PARKS, DO ALL KINDS OF MAINTENANCE AROUND OUR FACILITIES. THEY'RE JUST THEY'RE THE BACKBONE OF THE WORK THAT WE DO HERE IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. SO VERY PROUD TO MAKE THIS PROCLAMATION FOR PUBLIC WORKS WEEK CONGRATULATE US TO OUR PUBLIC WORKS FOLKS FOR A VERY SUCCESSFUL PUBLIC WORKS OPEN HOUSE AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO FOR THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. WELL DONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OUR SECOND PROCLAMATION IS REGARDING MEMORIAL DAY WHICH IS COMING UP ON MAY 29TH. MEMORIAL DAY PROCLAMATION MEMORIAL DAY MAY 29TH, 2023 WHEREAS ON MONDAY MAY 29TH 2023 AMERICANS IN COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE NATION WILL OBSERVE A DAY OF REMEMBRANCE FOR THE FALLEN HEROES OF OUR ARMED FORCES. AND. WHEREAS, THE TRADITION OF MEMORIAL DAY DATES BACK TO 1868 WHEN JOHN GENERAL JOHN LOGAN CALLED FOR A NATIONWIDE DAY OF REMEMBRANCE TO PAY TRIBUTE TO THOSE WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES BY SERVING OUR COUNTRY. AND. WHEREAS, MEMORIAL DAY WAS FIRST OBSERVED ON MAY 30TH, 1868 WHEN FLOWERS WERE PLACED AT THE GRAVES OF SOLDIERS BURIED AT ARLINGTON NATIONAL CEMETERY. AND. WHEREAS, THIS SIMPLE ACT OF REMEMBRANCE HAS EVOLVED OVER TIME INTO A NATIONWIDE TRIBUTE OF RESPECT FOR THE HEROISM AND PATRIOTISM OF THIS NATION'S FALLEN HEROES FALLEN SOLDIERS ON THE LAST MONDAY OF MAY NOW KNOWN AS MEMORIAL DAY. AND. WHEREAS, DURING THE WEEK OF MAY MEMORIAL DAY 2023 PRISONERS OF WAR MISSING IN ACTION FLAGS WILL BE FLOWN AT BLOOMINGTON CIVIC PLAZA AND THE PUBLIC WORKS BUILDING AS A REMINDER OF OUR SOLDIERS WHO HAVE NOT RETURNED AND TO SYMBOLIZE THE COURAGE AND SACRIFICE THAT THE MEMBERS OUR ARMED FORCES HAVE GIVEN ON BEHALF OF THIS NATION. NOW THEREFORE I TIM BUSSEY, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM MONDAY, MAY 29TH, 2023 AS MEMORIAL DAY IN BLOOMINGTON AND I URGE ALL RESIDENTS TO REMEMBER AND HONOR THOSE WHO HAVE DIED IN THE SERVICE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA SO THAT THEIR SACRIFICES WILL NOT BE IN VAIN. DANA THIS 22ND DAY OF MAY 20, 23 NOW OBVIOUSLY MADE DECLARING AND PROCLAIMING MEMORIAL DAY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER DOESN'T THE FACT THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE MEMORIAL DAY ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. BUT WHAT I REALLY LIKE DOING WHEN WE DO THIS IS GIVING US AN OPPORTUNITY TO PAUSE AND THINK ABOUT THE FOLKS LOCALLY WHO HAVE SERVED. WE'VE GOT IN BLOOMINGTON SUMMER CEMETERY WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF VETERANS, THE VAST MAJORITY WHO DID NOT DIE IN THESE SERVICE TO THEIR COUNTRY BUT SERVED THEIR COUNTRY AND SHOULD BE REMEMBERED IN THAT WAY. WE DO HAVE SOME FOLKS HERE WHO ACTUALLY DID DIE IN COMBAT AS WELL AND JUST A IT'S A IT'S A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO TO THANK AND REMEMBER THE FOLKS OUR VETERANS WHO WHO PUT SO MUCH TIME AND EFFORT IN WHO WHO SERVED THEIR COUNTRY AND WHO HOPEFULLY WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS WE WILL BE REMEMBERING AND HONORING WITH A VETERANS MEMORIAL JUST TO OUR EAST HERE ON ON THE GROUNDS OF CIVIC PLAZA AS THE BLOOMINGTON REMEMBERS VETERAN'S COMMITTEE IS ABLE TO CONSTRUCT THEIR THEIR MEMORY, THEIR MEMORIAL AND CIVIC PLAZA GROUNDS HERE IN THE COMING YEARS. SO THAT IS OUR PROCLAMATION FOR MEMORIAL DAY AND I HOPE YOU ALL TAKE A MOMENT TO ENJOY IT. ENJOY IT IS THE FIRST WEEKEND OF SUMMER BUT ALSO TAKE A MOMENT TO REFLECT AS TO THE REAL REASON OF MEMORIAL DAY AS WELL. THANK YOU ALL . WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM THREE ON OUR AGENDA OUR CONSENT BUSINESS COUNCILMEMBER CARTER TO GOT THE CONSENT AGENDA AND TO YOU. [00:19:10] **Councilmember Jenna Carter:** THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO I HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY HOLDS AT THIS POINT TO HAVE ANY HOLDS LAST CALL. OKAY. I AM NOT SEEING ANY SO WITH THAT I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE ITEMS 3.1 THROUGH 3.15. [00:19:28] **Mayor Tim Busse:** MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER CARTER SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO TO ACCEPT TONIGHT'S CONSENT BUSINESS NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER CARTER. WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR ARE HEARINGS, RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES AND OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING OF THE EVENING IS ITEM 4.1 AND THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING A VACATION OF PUBLIC DRAINAGE UTILITY SIDEWALK BIKEWAYS, STREET SIGN SITE EGRESS AND INGRESS L EASEMENTS ON LOTS ONE AND TWO BLOCK ONE WINCHELL'S EDITION AND LOT ONE BLOCK ONE PENN PROPERTIES EDITION. MR. KIEHL GOOD EVENING AGAIN. [00:20:10] **Karl Keel (Public Works):** IT WAS A MERE COUNCIL SO THIS ITEM IS RELATED TO THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE ACROPOLIS SITE AND THE SITE IMMEDIATELY TO THE EAST OF THAT AND AS PART OF THE REPLANTING OF THAT PROPERTY WHICH YOU APPROVED LAST FALL. SO THE RELEASE OF THESE EASEMENTS IS JUST THE FIRST STEP OF THE PLANNING. THOSE THOSE SAME EASEMENTS WILL BE REDEDICATED AS PART OF THE PLAT THAT WHEN IT WAS FILED SO RATHER ROUTINE ITEM WE'RE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL. [00:20:40] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU MR. HILL COUNSEL ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. KEIL ON THIS ? AS HE SAID RATHER ROUTINE AND THE FIRST STEP IN IN A PROCESS OF GETTING THAT AREA REDEVELOPED. NO COUNCIL QUESTIONS. VERY GOOD. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW AND ITEM 4.1 REGARDING THE VACATION OF THOSE MANY THINGS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER AND I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT AGAIN BUT WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING I IN 4.1. ANYONE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS WISHING TO SPEAK TO AN M 4.1 THIS EVENI MATT DO WE HAVE ANYONE ON THE PHONE WISHING TO SPEAK TO ITEM 4.1? [00:21:20] **Matt (Staff):** MAYOR WE HAVE NOT ON THE LINE [00:21:22] **Mayor Tim Busse:** LAST CALL FOR ANYBODY IN THE CHAMBERS. COUNSEL NO ONE IN THE CHAMBERS COMING FORWARD, NO ONE ON THE PHONE WISHING TO SPEAK TO ITEM 4.1. I WOULD LOOK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 4.1. [00:21:38] **Councilmember Danielle Robertson:** SOME WOULD. [00:21:40] **Mayor Tim Busse:** MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON AN 4.1. NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPE THE MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ON THIS? IF NOT I WOULD LOOK FOR ACTION ON ITEM 4.1. [00:22:05] **Councilmember Danielle Robertson:** MARY CAN MAKE THAT MOTION. I WILL MOVE THAT WE ADOPT AN ORDINANCE APPROVING THE VACATION OF PUBLIC DRAINAGE UTILITY SIDEWALK BIKEWAY STREET SITE INGRESS AND EGRESS EASEMENTS AT LOTS ONE AND TWO BLOCK ONE WINCHELL'S ADDITION AND LOT ONE BLOCK 110 PROPERTIES ADDITION [00:22:25] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** SECOND [00:22:27] **Mayor Tim Busse:** MOST OF MY COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN SECOND MY COUNCILMEMBER TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE AS STATED ON ITEM 4.1 NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFYY SAYING I OPPOSED THE MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH MR. KEEL AND IN 4.2 IS OUR SECOND PUBLIC HEARING OF THE EVENING AND THIS IS REGARDING A PROPOSED LICENSE AND PERMIT FEE CHANGES AND WE HAVE OUR CITY CITY CLERK MS. CHRISTINA SCIPIONE HERE THIS EVENING. GOOD EVENING, MS. SCIPIONE. [00:23:00] **Christina Scipione (City Clerk):** GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL JUST GIVE IT A MOMENT FOR THE PRESENTATION TO COME UP HERE VERY SHORT PRESENTATION TO COME UP. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO TO OUR NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO A QUICK BACKGROUND FOR CITY COUNCIL AS TO WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT. STATE LAW ALLOWS FOR THE COLLECTION OF LICENSE PERMITS AND FEES WHICH WE HAVE IN OUR ORDINANCES IN THE APPENDIX, IN OUR ORDINANCE. THE FEES ARE BASED ON THE CITY'S COST TO ADMINISTER THE LICENSES SO THE FEE REVENUE ITSELF GOES INTO OUR GENERAL FUND FOR THE MOST PART AND THE LICENSE ADMINISTRATION EXPENSES ARE THEN ALSO PAID OUT OF THAT GENERAL FUND WE FOUND OVER THE YEAR THAT OUR FEE STRUCTURE IS CONSISTENT WITH COMPARAE CITIES IN MOST OTHER CITIES TAKE A KIND OF ANNUAL REVIEW PROCESS AS WE DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR FEES ARE STAYING IN LINE WITH THE COSTS TO ADMINISTER THE LICENSING AND PERMITTING PROGRAMS AND WITH THAT SAID, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I'M UP HERE AND I'VE WORKED HERE FOR TWO YEARS NOW AND THAT IS BECAUSE WE DID NOT DO ANY ANNUAL REVIEW OR LICENSE FEE INCREASES DURING THE COVID PANDEMIC AND SO WE HAVE NOT INCREASED OUR LICENSE FEES SINCE 2019. WE SENT OUT NOTICESO ALL OFUR IMPACTE LICENSEES SO WE SENT OUT 1801 LETTERS TO OUR LICENSEES AND WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY FEEDBACK FROM ANY OF OUR LICENSE HOLDERS. SO THE PROPOSED FEE IS FOR 2023 INCLUDE A ARE A PRETTY MUCH A 3% INCREASE. WE ROUND A LITTLE BIT SO THAT OUR LICENSE FEE IS STAY KIND OF ON THE DOLLAR FOR MOST OF OUR LICENSE FEES THAT IT'S OVERALL ABOUT A 3% INCREASE AND THESE ARE KIND OF OUR MOST OFTEN ISSUED FEES THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THAT ORDINANCE AMENDMENT AND THE FULL ORDINANCE WAS IN YOUR PACKET. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO OUR REQUEST TONIGHT IS TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AND THEN THE PROPOSED EFFECTIVE DATE FOR THE FEES WOULD BE JULY 1ST OF THIS YEAR. AND WITH THAT I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. [00:25:20] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU, MR. SCIPIONE. APPRECIATE THAT. AND JUST TO TO REITERATE AGAIN SO THIS 3% INCREASE COVERS THE COST OF ADMINISTERING THE LICENSES BEARI COUNCIL? [00:25:35] **Christina Scipione:** THAT ISORRECT AND THE MAJORITY OF THAT COST IS THE STAFF TIME NEEDED TO PROCESS THE LICENSES AND TO DO ANY ENFORCEMENT FOR THOSE LICENSE REGULATIONS. [00:25:45] **Mayor Tim Busse:** SO ANY TIME SOMEONE COMES FORWARD TO LOOK FOR A TANNING LICENSE, WE'RE NOT MAKING MONEY ON THIS. THIS IS SIMPLY COVERING THE COST OF WHAT IT TAKES TO ISSUE THAT TANNING LICENSE. IS THAT CORRECT? [00:25:55] **Christina Scipione:** THAT IS CORRECT [00:25:56] **Mayor Tim Busse:** VERY, VERY MUCH. AND I'M SURPRISED TO HEAR WE HAVE 800 LICENSEES IN THE CITY I GUESS SURPRISES ME A BIT. [00:26:02] **Christina Scipione:** 801 [00:26:04] **Mayor Tim Busse:** 801. EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNSEL, THE QUESTIO OF MS. COMMUNY COUNCILMBER LOWMAN [00:26:10] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** THANK YOU, MAYOR. WHAT I WANTED TO ASK IS, YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS I'VE SEEN THIS PROCESS COME BEFORE US MANY, MANY TIMES AND WHAT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THE FEE PROCESS MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY THAT WE'VE DONE IT. WE HAD THIS 3% ON THERE. ONE OF MY QUESTIONS WAS WHETHER OR NOT WE OTHER CITIES HAVE OTHER WAYS OF DOING THAT IN ORDER TO PUSH FORWARD, YOU KNOW? SO FOR EXAMPLE I SAW THERE WAS A LICENSE FEE FOR FOR CHILD CARE I THINK WITH FOOD I THINK IT'S $500 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT 530 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. DO OTHER CITIES YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A STRATEGIC PRIORITY AND YOU DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS IN A DIFFERENT WAY OR IS IT PRETTY MUCH THIS IS THE WAY THAT MOST CITIES KIND OF GO ABOUT DOING THIS? [00:26:55] **Christina Scipione:** MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN AND CITY COUNCIL MOST CITIES KIND OF TAKE EITHER TWO TRACKS FOR INCREASING THEIR LICENSE AND PERMITS FEE AT LEAST WHAT I'VE SEEN THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT DO AS BLOOMINGTON DOES AND KIND OF DO THESE INCREMENTAL INCREASES EVERY YEAR. SO THERE ISN'T KIND OF A STICKER SHOCK FOR LICENSES IF MAKE ONE LARGE CHANGE ALL AT ONCE. AND THEN THERE ARE SOME CITIES THAT KIND OF DON'T DO ANYTHING FOR 5 TO 7 YEARS AND THEN THEIR LICENSE HOLDERS RECEIVE A MUCH LARGER INCREASE KIND OF ALL AT ONCE. AND THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW CITIES MANAGE IT AS FAR AS KIND OF THE THE FEES FOR FOR FOOD SERVICE. SOME OF THOSE REMEMBER ARE ARE DELEGATED BY THE MINNESOTA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND SO IT'SARD TO HE A APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON AMONG OTHER CITIES BECAUSE THERE ARE VERY FEW CITIES THAT HAVE THOSE DELEGATION AGREEMENTS . BUT WE FEEL THAT OUR FEES ARE IN LINE WITH SIMILAR TO WHAT OTHER CITIES WITHIN THE METRO REGION ARE CHARGING. [00:27:50] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** AND THEN MIKE, MY LAST QUESTION TO EVERY MAYOR IS, YOU KNOW, RECENTLY WE JUST HAD A PROCESS CHANGE WITH I THINK WITH RESPECT TO THE CABBIES AND IN OTHER WAYS OF DOING THAT THING AND IT WAS YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WE BROUGHT THOSE CHANGES TO BEING A PART OF OUR CONSENT AGENDA. WHAT MY QUESTION WHAT PREVENTS US FROM BECAUSE YOU KNOW ALL THE TIMES I'VE BEEN HERE I HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN ALL THAT MANY PEOPLE COME, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE FEES OR ANYTHING THAT PREVENTS US FROM HAVING THIS OWNER CONSENTED. AND I'M NOT SAYING WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T DO THAT BUT I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD FOLLOW ON THAT SAME PROCESS OF LOOKING AT ME THERE'S A DIFFERENT WAY OF DOING THIS. [00:28:30] **Christina Scipione:** MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER LEMON CITY COUNCIL IT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING STAFF IS INTERESTED IN RIGHT? WE SENT OUT 1800 NOTICES. IT PROBABLY COST THE CITY ABOUT 1400 DOLLARS TO DO THAT PROCESS AND WE RECEIVED NO FEEDBACK. NOW GRANTED WE HAVEN'T HELD THE PUBLIC HEARING YET B STAFF WILL BE WORKING WITH WITH LEGAL TO RESEARCH. IS THERE A DIFFERENT WAY WE CAN DO THIS THAT MIGHT BE MORE EFFICIENT FOR THE CITY AND SAVE SAVE SOME MONEY IN THOSE NOTICING COSTS? [00:28:55] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** WELL, I FOR ONE MAYOR WOULD LIKE US TO HAVE A LOOK AT THAT AND I DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY TRANSPARENCY OR HAVE ANYBODY HAVING STICKER SHOCK. BUT I'M ALWAYS YOU KNOW, ALWAYS INTERESTED IN SEEING IF THERE'S WAYS IN WHICH THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, SAVE THE TAXPAYER A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY AND ALSO CREATE A MORE EFFICIENT MEETING. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER. WOMAN. ANY ADDITNAL QUESTIONS INISSISSIPPI ONLY? COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO [00:29:20] **Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** THANK YOU, MAYOR GOOD EVENING. I JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION. IT SEEMED ME THAT THE THAT THE FEES THAT WE DISCUSSED WITH MR. JUNKER A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ARE IN HERE. DO I HAVE THAT RIGHT? [00:29:30] **Christina Scipione:** MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO YOU DO? UNFORTUNATELY BECAUSE OF THE TIMING OF MAILING THE NOTICES AND WHEN WE NEEDED TO HAVE THE OTHER ORDINANCE IN EFFECT SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO NOTICE FOR LIQUOR LICENSE RENEWALS WE HAVE A OF AN ISSUE WITH SOME OF THEM NOT MATCHING WHAT YOU RECENTLY PASSED. SO WE'RE WORKING LEGAL TO CLEAN THAT UP AND MAKE SURE IT'S CORRECT IN OUR ORDINANCE. [00:29:50] **Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** OKAY. SO WE SHOULD EXPECT TO SEE A KIND OF A CONSENT ITEM AT SOME POINT IT JUST CLEANS UP THE TABLE. [00:29:55] **Christina Scipione:** CORRECT. MAYOR AND COUNCIL HOWEVER THAT SHOULDN'T IMPACT OUR CURRENT LICENSES AS THE AMUSEMENT DEVICE LICENSING PROVISION HAS BEEN REMOVED AND ALL OF OUR LAUNDRY FACILITIES ARE CURRENTLY ALREADY STILL PAYING THAT HIGHEST FEE. SO IT DOESN'T REALLY IMPACT DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS FOR ME. [00:30:10] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU COUNSEL FOR THE QUESTIONS. IF NOT I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN 4.2 THIS EVENING THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE PROPOSED LICENSE AND PERMIT FEE CHANGE ANNE IN THE CMBER IS WISHG TO SPEAK TO AN M 4.2 THIS EVENING. MR. BRILLANT DO WE HAVE ANYONE ON THE PHONE WISHING TO SPEAK DOWN IN 4.2? [00:30:30] **Staff:** MAYOR NO ONE ON THE LINE. [00:30:32] **Mayor Tim Busse:** LAST CALL FOR THE CHAMBERS. COUNSEL NO ONE IN THE CHAMBER IS COMING FORWARD. NO ONE ON THE PHONE WISHING TO SPEAK. I WOULD LOOK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING IN UNDER 4.2 [00:30:45] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** SO MOVED [00:30:47] **Mayor Tim Busse:** MOST OF COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 4.2 THIS EVENING. NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? COUNCILMEMBER NELSON [00:31:05] **Councilmember Shawn Nelson:** THANK YOU, MAYOR. I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION. JUST A QUICK DISCLOSURE. I'M IMPACTED BY THESE FEES. I HAVE A LICENSE FOR A RENTAL UNIT IN THE CITY. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THAT. I DON'T BELIEVE IT REACHES THE THRESHOLD TO RECUSE MYSELF BECAUSE I'M TREATED NO DIFFERENTLY THAN ANY OTHER RENTAL LICENSE HOLDER ON THERE AND IT'S $6 AND IT'S AN INCREASE. SO AND I HAD NO INFLUENCE ON THE AMOUNT OF THAT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT JUST BUT JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE AWARE THAT THIS IMPACTS ME TOO. [00:31:35] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THANKS YOU APPRECIATE THAT. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON. ALSO, IF THERE'S NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS I WOULD LOOK FOR ACTION ON IN 4.2. [00:31:45] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** MAYOR BE HAPPY TO MAKE THAT MOTION. WE'RE ALL MOVED TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE AMENDING A ADMINISTRATIVE RELIEF AND FEE SCHEDULE OF THE CITY CODE RELATING TO THE FEES FOR LICENSES AND PERMITS. [00:32:00] **Councilmember Shawn Nelson:** COND [00:32:01] **Mayor Tim Busse:** MOST OF MY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN SECOND COUNCILMEMBER TO ADOPT THE ORDINANCE AMENDING APPENDIX EIGHT ADMINISTRATIVE RELIEF AND FEE SCHEDULE FOUR OF THE CITY CODE RELATING TO FOR FEES AND LEASE FOR TWO FEES FOR LICENSES AND PERMITS. NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSED THE MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO [00:32:30] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** THE SUMMARY PUBLICATION MARIN WOULD ADOPT A RESOLUTION DIRECTING SUMMARY PUBLICATION OF THE ORDINANCE AMENDING P TO SAY ADMINISTRATIVE RELIEF AND FEE SCHEDULES OF THE CITY CODE RELATING TO FEES FOR LICENSES AND PERMITS. [00:32:45] **Councilmember Danielle Robertson:** SECOND [00:32:46] **Mayor Tim Busse:** MOST MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER FOR SUMMARY PUBLICATION NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEA SIGNIFY BY SAYG I I POSED THE MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SCIPIONE THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. AND IN 4.3 ON OUR AGENDA IS A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING OUR PROPOSED CITY CODE AMENDMENTS AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TEXT AMENDMENTS FOR SINGLE AND TWO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STANDARDS. MR. JOHNSON FROM OUR PLANNING STAFF IS HERE ONCE AGAIN. GOOD EVENING, MR. JOHNSON. WELCOME. [00:33:30] **Nick Johnson (Planning Manager):** HOW ARE YOU? VERY WELL. HOW ARE YOU THIS EVENING? MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL I ALSO HAVE A SHORT POWERPOINT PRESENTATION BY MY STANDARDS. I'M GOING TO GET GOING HERE. OKAY. THIS LOOKS LIKE THE RIGHT ONE. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY THIS EVENING. SO I'M JUST GOING TO PROVIDE SOME SHORT UPDATES FOLLOWING THE CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON MAY THE FIRST AND PROVIDE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND IN TERMS OF WHERE WE ARE AND THE PROCESS AND WHY HAVING ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING YET THIS EVENING. SO THIS PROCESS STARTED BACK IN THE END OF OCTOBER AND 2021. SO IT'S BEEN A 19 MONTH PROCESS THAT'S INVOLVED MULTIPLE ADVISORY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AS WELL AS SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND A WHOLE MULTITUDE OF PUBLIC FEEDBACK AND INPUT OPPORTUNITIES. THERE'S BEEN FOUR PUT THIS TONIGHT WOULD BE THE FOURTH PUBLIC HEARING ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT ONE HELD BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN DECEMBER OF LAST AND THEN THIS WOULD BE THE THIRD CITY COUNCIL PUBLIC HEARING. SO AS YOU ALL RECALL AT THE MAY 1ST CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION, THE GOAL OF THAT EVENING'S WORK WAS TO REACH CONSENSUS ON ALL THE VARIOUS SUB ITEMS HELD WITHIN THE ORDINANCE. IT WAS A VERY GOOD DISCUSSION. AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION STAFF WAS DIRECTED TO PREPARE TWO VERSIONS OF THE ORDINANCE THE FULLER VERSION WHICH WILL BE PRESENTED TO YOU TONIGHT AS OPTION A REFLECTS THE VERSION RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL AS OTHER SUBSEQUENT ADVISORY BOARDS AND STAFF. AND THEN AND THAT IS THE VERSION OF THE ORDINANCE THAT THE PUBLIC AND OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES HAVE VIEWED AND REVIEWED THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROCESS. WE WERE ALSO DIRECTED TO PREPARE A ALTERNATE ALTERNATIVE EXCUSE ME VERSION OF THE ORDINANCE WHICH WE'RE CALLING OPTION B WHICH REFLECTED ALL OF THE ITEMS OF FULL CONSENSUS SO UNANIMOUS CONSENSUS ON THE PART OF THE COUNCIL AS PART OF KIND OF THE STRAW POLL OR HAD NODDING EXERCISES AS WE WERE DOING EARLIER IN MAY. SO JUST A POINT ABOUT THAT AND THEN JUST PROCEDURALLY SPEAKING, I WANT TO NOTE FOR THE RECORD THAT WERE DID ADVERTISE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT FOR THE REASON THAT WE ALSO HAVE THIS OPTION B ORDINANCE. SO IN ORDER TO SATISFY ALL OF OUR STATUTORY AND CITY CODE REQUIREMENTS WE DID ADVERTISE IT AS ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING OPPORTUNITY ON THE BASIS OF THE ALTERNATIVE ORDINANCE OPTION B SO ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA, AS I SAID I HAVE NOT TOO MANY SLIDES BUT THE FIRST ITEM IS JUST TO PRESENT YOU OPTIONS A AND B JUST HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW THAT I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME ANALYSIS OR STUDY THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED THROUGHOUT THE THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS FOCUSED ON THE IRS ONE ZONING DISTRICT AS WELL AS ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS THAT SERVE OR ARE APPLICABLE TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN BLOOMINGTON. AND THEN I'LL PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF SOME WORK THAT STAFF DID IN ORDER TO COLLECT A KIND OF SCHOLARLY OR ACADEMIC RESEARCH ABOUT ZONING AND ITS IMPACT ON HOUSING COSTS, PARTICULARLY IN LOW DENSITY AREAS AND THEN I WILL PRESENT TO YOU A LIST OF RECOMMENDED ACTIONS AS PROPOSED BY STAFF. GETTING TO ORDINANCE OPTIONS A AND B I MENTIONED I PROVIDED AN OVERVIEW AND MY TIMELINE SLIDE BUT OPTION A IS THE FULL VERSION AS RECOMMENDED BY PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BODIES LISTED ON THE SLIDE. OPTION B IS THE ALTERNATE OR THE ALTERNATIVE ORDINANCE THAT DOES REFLECT A THAT UNIRM CONSENSUS OR UNANIMOUS CONSENSUS ON THE PART OF COUNCIL. I WANT TO REITERATE OR HIGHLIGHT THE ITEMS THAT OPTION B DOES NOT INCLUDE OPTION B DOES NOT INCLUDE REDUCTIONS TO THE R-1 DISTRICT MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND LOT WIDTH. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE REQUIREMENT FOR A MEDIAN LOT WITH REQUIREMENT WHICH IS PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED IN THE FULL ORDINANCE. SO THAT WOULD REMAIN AND THEN IT ALSO DOES NOT INCLUDE ALLOWANCES FOR INCREASED TO MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ON RESIDENTIAL LOTS LESS 11,000 SQUARE FEET. SO THOSE ARE THE KEY PROVISIONS THAT IT DOES NOT INCLUDE. SO THROUGHOUT THE PACKET YOU'LL SEE THE TWO DIFFERENT ORDINANCES WITH HEADERS LISTED CLEARLY WITH THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT THEY REPRESENT. WE ALSO HAVE IN THE PACKET DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF SUMMARY PUBLICATION AND OTHER DOCUMENTATION THAT KIND OF GOES ALONG WITH THOSE TWO ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS. SO HOPEFULLY THAT'S CLEAR. THIS IS THE SAME INFORMATION BUT WE'VE PROVIDED THIS DOCUMENT THROUGHOUT MOST OF THE PROCESS SO I JUST WANT TO SHOW IT FOR THE PUBLIC THAT IS IS KIND OF THE SUMMA TABLE. THIS IS ALL THE KEY PROVISIONS. IT'S HARD TO READ THE TEXT IN THE OF COURSE, BUT THIS IS THE KEY PROVISIONS OF THE ORDINANCE AND THE ONES THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW ARE THE PROVISIONS THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED IN ORDINANCE OPTION B. SO JUST SHOWING THAT FOR FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING ALONG WITH MORE THE CHEAT SHEET OR THE CRIB SHEET VERSION OF THE ORDINANCE ONE THING THAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE MAY FIRST CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT STAFF INTERPRETED TO REACH COUNCIL CONSENSUS SIGN WAS THE DESIRE TO HAVE A MAILED NOTICE ASSOCIATED TYPE ONE PLATS THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY FOR LOT SPLITS OF TWO LOTS OR RESULTING IN TWO LOTS OR LESS SO WE THIS WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS INCORPORATED INTO PREVIOUS VERSIONS OF THE ORDINANCE PER THE COUNCIL DIRECTION WE DID INCLUDE THIS ITEM MORE NOTICE IS ALWAYS GOOD. I DO WANT TO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO POINT OUT THAT THERE IS NOT A LARGE AMOUNT OF PRECEDENT IN THE BLOOMINGTON CITY CODE FOR NOTIFICATION THAT IS NOT CONNECTED OR ASSOCIATE WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING OPPORTUNITY. STAFF REITERATES THE SAME CONCERN WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME THAT FOR SOME FOLKS GETTING A PUBLIC NOTICE THAT'S DISASSOCIATED FROM A PUBLIC HEARING OPPORTUNITY MAY PROVIDE SOME CONFUSION OR IN SOME CASES EVEN SOME FRUSTRATION. AND THAT'S NOT TO SAY DON'T DO IT. I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT DOES COME WITH SOME POTENTIAL DOWNSIDE IN THAT REGARD. JUST A HEADS UP ABOUT THAT AND THIS IS THIS ADDED CONTENT IS REFLECTED IN BOTH ORDINANCE OPTIONS A AND B SO MING ON TO THE DISTRICT, THE FIRST ONE DISTRICT STUDY AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS ANALYSIS SO STAFF IS SPECIFICALLY SEEKING DIRECTION ON KIND OF THREE THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THESE TWO BROADER TOPICS. SO JUST A COUPLE OF PROCEDURAL NOTES HERE. ONE IS WHETHER TO PURSUE A FORMAL STUDY OF THESE THINGS. WE AGAIN KIND OF WITH THE STRAW POLL OR THE HEAD NODDING AT THE MAY 1ST MEETING WE FELT LIKE WE HAD THE CONSENSUS OF THE BODY THAT IT IS SOMETHING IMPORTANT THAT THE CITY SHOULD INVEST OUR RESOURS INTO STUDYIN THESE ITEMS THAT BEING SAID, WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT A FORMAL MOTION BE MADE DIRECTING STAFF TO DO SO AND I'LL TALK MAYBE A LITTLE BIT WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT. AND THE THIRD ITEM WHERE ALL THE NEXT TWO SLIDES I'LL GET INTO THOSE SPECIFIC TO TOPICS BUT WE ARE SEEKING IF THERE'S ANY PRELIMINARY FEEDBACK THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO GIVE STAFF ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD BE RESEARCHING AS PART OF THESE TOPICS THAT CERTAINLY HELPFUL FEEDBACK FOR STAFF AS WE BEGIN OUR INVESTIGATION. AND THEN ON THE THIRD ITEM AS YOU ALL KNOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS AN ANNUAL WORK PLAN. WE ADOPTED THE 2023 WORK PLAN IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR AND SO SOMETHING THAT STAFF WILL BE SEEKING FEEDBACK ON IS WHETHER OR NOT TO PURSUE THESE STUDIES IN THE NEAR TERM. IS IT SOMETHING THAT STAFF SHOULD PRIORITIZE MEANING IN THE 2023 TIMELINE OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE ADDED TO 2024 PLANNING COMMISSION WORK PLAN? SO WE'RE SEEKING FEEDBACK ON THAT AS WELL. AND ON THAT POINT IF IT IS PRIORITIZED TO THE 2023 TIMELINE, I JUST WANT TO PRESENT THE POSSIBILITY THAT IT COULD DAY SOME ADDIONAL PROJECTS AS WE SHIFT AROUND STAFF RESOURCES TO LOOK AT THAT. SO JUST A HEADS UP ON ON THAT FRONT GET INTO THE TOPICS THEMSELVES. SO THIS HAS AN AREA OF INTEREST BOTH ON THE PART OF THE COUNCIL AND FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION AROUND THE CITY'S LARGE LOT SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT MORE COMMONLY KNOWN AS IRIS ONE. SO THERE'S 120 OF THESE PROPERTIES IN BLOOMINGTON. AND SO AS PART OF THIS ANALYSIS OR INVESTIGATION I MEAN FRALY IT STARTED AS SOME INTEREST ON THE PART OF SOME PROPERTY OWNERS TO POTENTIALLY LOOK AT REZONING THEIR PROPERTIES TO IRIS ONE. SO CERTAINLY THAT'S BEEN PART OF THIS DISCUSSION BUT AS PART OF THAT IT'S ELICIT A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THE DISTRICT INTENT OF OUR AS ONE SHOULD BE FOR EXAMPLE SHOULD INCORPORATE OTHER CHARACTERISTICS LIKE HABITAT CORRIDORS OR OTHER THINGS THAT SHOULD MAKE IT WORTHY FOR SUCH A DESIGNATION. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CERTAINLY WE WOULD LOOK AT AS PART OF THIS AND THEN WHAT ARE THE APPROPRIATE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR THIS DISTRICT? YOU KNOW, THIS DISTRICT WAS KIND OF TWEAKED IN THE EARLY 2000S. SO GOING BACK T LOOK AT THESE STANDARDS AND WHETHER OR NOT IT MATCHES UP WITH WHAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THESE AREAS AND I SHOULD ALSO ADD THAT I THINK IT WAS RAISED AS AN EQUITY COMPONENT. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE MAJORITY OF ALL THE OTHER R-1 ZONED PROPERTIES OR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. WE SHOULD BE EVALUATING THESE PROPERTIES AS WELL AND THEN STAFF'S HOBBYHORSE IS THE BULLET NUMBER TWO IS ESTABLISHING CONSISTENT CRITERIA SHOULD THE CITY MAKE ANY TWEAKS OR CHANGES TO THIS ZONING DISTRIC AS PART OF THIS EVENTUAL STUDY THAT STAFF WOULD URGE ESTABLISHING RIGID OR CONSISTENT CRITERIA IN TERMS OF HOW YOU WOULD RECEIVE REQUESTS FOR REZONING FROM THE PUBLIC THEORETICALLY WE GET INTO THE ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS ANALYSIS SO THESE ARE KIND OF THE KEY COMPONENTS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT WE THINK SHOULD BE LOOKED AT FOR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREAS. IT INVOLVES TREE PRESERVATION, STEEP SLOPES, LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS BUT WE'RE OPEN TO THE IDEA THAT THERE CERTAINLY COULD BE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE COULD BE LOOKING AT JUST IN TERMS OF KIND OF THE GROWTH OF SUSTAINABILITY AND OTHER PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE MORE INTERESTED KIND OF IN THESE TOPICS. THERE CERTAINLY IS INCREASING AMOUNTS OF RESEARCH OF THINGS THAT COULD BE INCORPORATED INTO A ZONING REGULATION THAT MIGHT HELP MITIGATE SOME IMPACTS FROM DEVELOPMENT. WHAT I WOULD NOTE ONE THING I DON'T HAVE INCLUDED ON THIS LIST AND I TRIED TO FOCUS ON THAT LAST SSION I DON'T WE'R NOT RECOMMENDG TO INCLUDE SRMWATERANAGEMENT INTO TSE INTO THIS ANALYSI THEEASON F THAT BEING IS THAT CURRENT WE FEELHAT 'RE ADEQUELY SERVED BY THE REGULATIONS THA ARE ON T BOOKS TOD AND THE SECONDARY REASON IS THAT IT'S MULTI-JURISDICTIONAL REVIEW TYPICALLY THERE'S OTHER JURISDICTIONS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE REVIEW OF STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND ON THE PART OF WETLANDS STATE LAW THAT COMES INTO PLAY SO STAFF IS NOT INCLUDING STORMWATER MANAGEMENT CERTAINLY THAT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT IS ALWAYS A FEATURE OF DEVELOPMENT AND EVERYTHING WE LOOK AT AND CERTAINLY IT WOULD BE PART OF THE DISCUSSION OF SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS IF YOU PRESERVE MORE TREES THAT'S BENEFICIAL FROM A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE AND OTHER THINGS AND STEEP SLOPES IS OBVIOUSLY HIGHLY TIED TO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AS WELL BUT JUST A TO NOTE ABOUT THAT SO WE CONDUCTED A LITERATURE REVIEW, WE GOT OUT OUR OLD JAY STORE AND PLANNING JOURNAL SUBSCRIPTIONS AND WE PUNCHED HIM IN AND WE DID WE SEARCHED VARIOUS TERMS THAT WE THOUGHT WOD GET US SE GOOD MATERIAL THAT'S RELATED TO THIS TOPIC. WE DID FIND EIGHT ARTICLES THAT WE FEEL ARE TANGENTIALLY RELATED TO THE BROADER TOPIC. ONE OF THOSE STUDIES IS MORE RECENT AND IS MORE APPLICABLE TO KIND OF OUR CURRENT REGION. THE OTHER SEVEN ARE MOSTLY STUDYING OTHER REGIONS WITHIN THE UNITED STATES AND COME FROM VARIOUS TIME PERIODS ALL FOLLOWING 2000. SO WHAT ARE THE LESSONS THAT CAN BE DRAWN ARE THAT ARE DIRECTLY APPLICABLE TO BLOOMINGTON? IT'S DIFFICULT AND THE REASON BEING IS THAT REGULATORY ENVIRONMENTS FROM ONE JURISDICTION AND ONE REGION TO REGION, ONE STATE TO STATE ARE ALL VERY DIFFERENT. THEY ALL HAVE DIFFERENT STATE LAWS. THEY ALL HAVE DIFFERENT PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS THAT WEREN'T VERY DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENTS FOR REGULATION. AND THEN THE OTHER REASON BEING IS THAT THE HOUSING MARKETS BETWEEN ALL THESE PLACES ARE VERY DIFFERENT AND ALSO VARY DEPENDING ON THE TIME THAT THE STUDY TOOK PLACE. SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT REASONS WHY IT'S DIFFICULT AND THEN MAYBE MOST IMPORTANTLY IS THAT THERE IS VERY FEW STUDIES BECAUSE TY TRY AND DW TO MAKE IT STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT THEY LOOK AT A BRIGHT BROAD OR A LARGE NUMBER OF JURISDICTIONS . IT'S VERY HARD TO FIND STUDIES THAT ARE DIRECTLY ALIGNED WITH THE SPECIFIC ZONING CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED HERE IN BLOOMINGTON. I THINK THERE IS SOME COUNCILMEMBERS WHO TALKED ABOUT PEER CITIES IN THE REGION WHO ARE LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE CHANGES AND THAT'S TRUE THERE ARE SOME PEER CITIES BUT REALLY WE'RE AT THE LEADING EDGE OF THIS THING AND AS WE MENTIONED ABOUT A QUESTION ABOUT KIND OF CREATING PILOT ZONING OR HOW DO WE KIND OF STUDY THIS BETTER IN A STRICT WAY WE ALLY THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE A MINIMUM OF FIVE YEARS OF DATA TO REALLY DRAW ANY KIND OF EVEN EARLY INITIAL CONCLUSIONS ABOUT HOW THESE REGULATIONS ARE EITHER WORKING OR NOT WORKING IN TERMS OF ACHIEVING THE OVERALL PROJECT GOALS WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AS PART OF THE PROJECT. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S DIFFICULT TO DRAW SOME CONCLUSIONS THAT THAT BEING SAID AND I AND I'M CERTAINLY CAN MAKE SOME OF THESE MATERIALS AVAILABLE TO INTERESTED PARTIES BUT THERE WAS SOME CONSENSUS OVER THE THE EIGHT ARTICLES AND THOSE CONSENSUS DOES REVEAL THAT THERE GENERALLY SPEAKING IS A CORRELAON BETWEEN HOUSING COSTS AND SPECIFICALLY INCREASING OR THE RATE OF INCREASE OF HOUSING COSTS AND STRICTER DENSITY LAND USE CONTROL. AND THE REASON BEING IS THAT IT STRICTER DENSITY OR LAND USE CONTROLS CONTROL SUPPLY THEY DON'T ALLOW OR THEY DON'T STIMULATE SUPPLY AT THE SAME RATES AS MORE RELAXED ZONING DO SO THAT THAT WAS A DEFINITE CORRELATION OR A CONNECTION FACTOR BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT STUDIES. THE OTHER THING THAT DID COME OUT OF THOSE STUDIES IS THAT MORE RELAXED LAND USE CONTROL ENVIRONMENTS YOU'RE STILL GOING T HAVE RATES OFNCREASE OHOUSING COSTS. IT'S VERY HARD TO STIMULATE THAT ON THE BASIS OF THE HOUSING ECOSYSTEM PRESENTATION THAT YOU SAW FROM THE MINISTER COLEMAN ON MAY THE FIRST ABOUT HOW MANY FACTORS ARE JUST NOT IN THE CONTROL OF LOCAL JURISDICTIONS. BUT THAT BEING SAID WHAT SOME OF THESE STUDIES FOUND IS THAT MORE RELAXED ZONING REGIMES OR CITIES WITH MORE RELAXED LAND USE CONTROLS HAD SLOWER RATES OF INCREASED HOUSING COSTS THAN CITIES THAT HAD STRICTER LAND USE REGULATORY ENVIRONMENTS. SO IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE RATE YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S CAN YOU KNOW THAT CAN BE PERCENTAGES SOMETIMES ARE EVEN MODEST DIFFERENCE BUT EVEN THOSE MODEST DIFFERENCES CAN HAVE A BIG IMPACT OVER TIME. AND JUST TO NOTE THAT THESE ARE THE STUDIES THAT DID REACH CONSENSUS THEY'RE MORE BASED ON THE LONG TERM AS OPPOSED TO SHORT TERM TIME WINDOWS. I THINK ONE OF THE ARTICLES DID TALK ABOUT SHORT TERM INFLATIONARY OR INCREASED COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH REGULATORY ENVIRONMENTS. THOSE THINGS ARE DUE TO OUR WITNESSED ARE VISIBLE SOMETIMES IN THE SHORT TERM IN THE LONG TERM THAT'S WHERE THESE CONSENSUS ITEMS THAT WE FOUND IN THESE STUDIES CAME FROM. SO JUST A I TALKED A LOT ABOUT ,YOU KNOW, THE ROBUST AMOUNT OF PUBLIC INPUT. I DID A QUICK COUNT EARLIER TODAY. I THINK WE'VE RECEIVED OVER 60 FOS OF WRITTEN CORRESPOENCE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS CASE KIND OF GOING BACK TO DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR YOU DID RECEIVE LETTERS FROM HOUSING FIRST MINNESOTA AND THE MINNESOTA REALTORS ASSOCIATION AND JUST IN TERMS OF TRADE OR INDUSTRY GROUPS WHO HAVE INTEREST IN THESE POLICY THE CITIES, HRA AND H.R HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION BOTH ALSO PROVIDED THEIR PERSPECTIVE ON THESE ITEMS AND FELT IT IMPORTANT TO WEIGH IN ON THIS POLICY AND THEN IN TERMS OF JUST PUBLIC TESTIMONY, CORRESPONDENCE AND ENGAGEMENT, THERE'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT WE'VE HAD A LOT OF IN-PERSON LIVE TESTIMONY, VERBAL TESTIMONY AT THE FOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS AS I MENTIONED OR THREE TO DATE BEFORE. NOW I KNOW THEY'VE I KNOW THAT FOLKS HAVE BEEN PROVIDING FEEDBACK AT CITY COUNCIL LISTENING SESSIONS TOO. SO LET'S INCLUDE THAT AS WELL AND THEN JUST MANY NUMEROUS EMAILS AND LETTERS AND I WOULD ACTUALLY ADD TO THAT PHONE CALLS THAT STAFF HAS GOTTEN STAFF HAS GOTTEN A LOT OF PHONE CALLS. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE INTERESTED IN THIS TOPIC FOR A WHOLE WIDE VARIETY OF REASONS . IT'S IT'S DEFINITELY INTERESTING THAT WAY BUTEAH HOPEFULLY YOU KNOW I THINK AT THE JANUARY NINTH COUNCIL MEETING I THINK THE CHARGE WAS PUT UPON STAFF TO TRY AND DO MORE ROBUST ENGAGEMENT AND GET PEOPLE TALKING AND TO GET A LOT MORE FEEDBACK ABOUT THIS POLICY AND I HOPE WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED TO DATE AS PART OF THIS PROCESS. SO IT'S CERTAINLY WITHIN THE MAYOR AND COUNCILS ABOUT HOW TO KIND OF TACKLE THESE DIFFERENT RECOMMENDED ACTIONS THAT STAFF HAS PUT FORTH FOR YOU HERE THIS EVENING. BUT THIS IS THE RECOMMENDED SEQUENCE THAT WE WOULD SUGGEST FOR YOU AS YOU CONSIDER THESE DIFFERENT ACTIONS WE WOULD SUGGEST FIRST TO CONSIDER ORDINANCE OPTION A WHICH IS THE FULL VERSION. IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE IT'S THE VERSION STAFF RECOMMENDS BUT IT'S THE VERSION YOUR PLANNING COMMISSION IS RECOMMENDING TO YOU AS THE MAIN ADVISORY LAND USE BODY IF ORDINANCE A IS NOT OUR OPTION IS NOT ADOPTED AT THAT TIME THEN WE WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU TO CONSIDER ORDINANCE OPTION B AND GO FROM THERE IRRESPECTIVE OF WHICH ORDINANCE OPTION THE COUNCIL TAKES ACTION ON IF ONE IS APPROVED WE WOULD SUGGEST AUTHORIZING A RESOLUTION A PUBLIC SUMMARY SUMMARY PUBLICATION. I'M SORRY I MISSPOKE THERE AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT ACTION THERE STILL IS THE VOTE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THE ASSOCIATED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TEXT AMENDMENT. AGAIN THAT IS NECESSARY IN ORDER TO MAKE THE CITY'S CURRENT PLAN SIMPATICO WITH THE PUBLIC POLICIES THAT WERE PUT FORTH IN THE DIFFERENT ORDINANCES IRRESPECTIVE OF WHICH OPTION YOU SELECT ACTUALLY. AND IT'S ALSO INTENDED TO KIND OF CLEAN UP SOME REGULATORY LACK OF CLARITY IN SOME OF OUR LOW DENSITY AREAS. AND THEN FINALLY THIS WASN'T INCLUDED I THINK ON THE COVER SHEET BUT TONIGHT JUST ADDING THIS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION WOULD BE JUST TO GIVE US FORMAL DIRECTION ON WHAT TO STUDY FOR AS FAR AS OUR ONE ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS AND THEN MAYBE NOT IN THE MOTION BUT AT LEAST INFORMAL FEEDBACK ABOUT THE TIMING OF WHEN TO PRIORITIZE IT, WHEN TO PURSUE IT. SO AT THAT I HAVE SOME RECOMMENDED MOTION LANGUAGE I'M HAPPY TO STAND FOR QUESTIONS. [00:54:10] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU. MR. JOHNSON COUNSEL QUESTIONS MR. JOHNSON COUNCILMEMBER NELSON [00:54:15] **Councilmember Shawn Nelson:** THANK YOU MAYOR. MR. JOHNSON HE JUST CLARIFIED THE MAILING CHANGE THAT IS IN BOTH OF THESE OPTIONS THAT WE MAIL NOTICES OR IS THAT A SEPARATE QUESTION THAT'S BEFORE US [00:54:25] **Nick Johnson:** MAYOR COUNCILOR NELSON IT IS IN BOTH OPTIONS AND B WE INTERPRETED THE DISCUSSION TO BE THAT THERE WAS BROAD SUPPORT FOR THAT AT THE M 1ST MEETING SO WE INCLUDED IT IN BOTH OPTIONS. YOU DON'T NEED A SEPARATE ACTION TO INCLUDE IT IF YOU DID NOT WANT TO INCLUDE IT THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME TYPE INTERVENTION BUT [00:54:40] **Councilmember Shawn Nelson:** AND THEN IF I COULD FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT ARE THERE ANY CHANGES THAT ARE IMPACTED GOING TO A TYPE ONE FROM A TYPE TO OR FROM UNDERSTANDING THAT? IS THERE ANYTHING ALSO RE CHANGE OR IS IT JUST THE MAILING? [00:54:50] **Nick Johnson:** MARY COUNCILOR IT'S JUST THE MAILING YEP. SO WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WAS KIND OF PART OF THE COST SAVINGS AND PT OF THE TIME SAVING I GUESS IS OUR FEE COST DIFFERENCE FOR THE PERSON BUILDING THE HOUSE MAYOR CASTRO NELSON THERE WOULD NOT BE IT'S A $250 FEE IRREGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU DO A MAILED NOTICE OR NOT. THANK YOU. YEP. FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT THERE'S A FINAL PLAT TWO SEPARATE FEE [00:55:15] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** COUNCILMEMBER MOMENT IN MORE THIS IS MAYBE MAYBE A QUESTION JUST FOR YOU JUST YOU KNOW EARLIER STAFF TALKED ABOUT THE THE THE THE CONCEPT THE REASON WHY WE'RE HAVING A YOU KNOW, ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT IS BECAUSE WE WANTED TO CONSIDER A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PATHWAYS TO GO DOWN WITH THIS PROCESS. AND SO IF WE HEARD SOMETHING TONIGHT THAT WOULD SUBSTANTIALLY CHANGE THAT WOULD WE BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE NEED TO COME BACK, YOU KNOW, YET ANOTHER TIME OR IS IT YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON WHAT THOSE CHANGES WOULD BE? I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT IT BE ANY CHANGES BUT I JUSTUST I UNRSTAND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WHAT WE'VE WE'VE PLACED FORWARD HERE TONIGHT JUST TRYING TO FRAME IT UP HERE. [00:55:55] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN, I MY GOAL IS WE COME TO A RESOLUTION ON THIS THIS EVENING WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST TIME THAT I WANTED TO BRING IT BACK ONE FINAL TIME. I THINK STAFF TOTALED IT UP AND WE'VE BEEN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR EIGHT AND A HALF HOURS TOTAL NOW AND IN IN MEETINGS HERE IN THE CHAMBERS . AND SO I THINK IT'S TIME FOR US TO COME TO A RESOLUTION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER BE A RECORD. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S MANY OTHER THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT TO THIS LEVEL AND I JUST WANT TO JUST TO JUST BE REAL CLEAR SO THAT BOTH THE WE AS THE BODY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH TONIGHT AND WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS MAY BE FROM THE FROM THE PUBLIC. THAT IS YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ALL DIFFERENT DIFFERENT IDEAS AND A lot OF THINGS ARE JUST TRYING TO FOCUS IN ON WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET ACCOMPLISHED THIS EVENING. AND I WOULD SAY WE'VE BY THE END OF OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT WE HAVE CHEWED THROUGH THIS AS A AS COMPREHENSIVELY AND COMPLETELY AS WE POSSIBLY COULD. AND IT'S TIME TO TO MAKE A DECISION. COUNCIL ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OF MR. JOHNSON THANK YOU. I'LL BE HERE. THANK YOUMR JOHNSON. SO THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 4.3. THIS IS REGARDING THE CITY CODE AMENDMENTS AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TEXT AMENDS FOR SINGLE AND TWO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL STANDARDS I WILL SAY WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY RIGHT NOW WE HAVE OFFICIALLY WE ALLOW 5 MINUTES PER FIRST PER SPEAKER DURING OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS WE TALKED ABOUT POSSIBLY AMENDING THE RULES BECAUSE THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THAT WE'VE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS TO BRING IT DOWN 2 TO 3 MINUTES PERHAPS SEEING THAT WE'VE GOT A REASONABLE NUMBER OF FOLKS HERE. IF WE HAD, YOU KNOW, A FULL COUNCIL CHAMBERS I MIGHT CONSIDER THAT. BUT I THINK THE FACT THAT WE'VE GOT A REASONABLE NUMBER OF FOLKS HERE I THINK MY RECOMMENDATION WAS WE'D JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH THE 5 MINUTES AND CONTINUE WITH THAT. SO I HAVE OFFICIALLY OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 4.3. I THINK I KNOW THERE PLEASE COME FORWARD AND LET'S AND LET'S PASS AROUND THE CLIPBOARD IF FOLKS WANT TO SIGN IN AHEAD OF TIME SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY WHO TO SPEAK CAN SPEAK AND THEY GET SIGNED UP AND READY TO GO. AND AS I AND AS I SAID WE DO WE WILL WE'LLTICK WITH OUR FI MINUTE LIMIT AND THE CLOCK ON THE WALL THE SHOT CLOCK ON THE WALL AND GIVE ME AN INDICATION WHERE YOU ARE IN TERMS OF YOUR TIME IF YOU COULD IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD PLEASE AND THEN START [00:58:15] **Fred Sauer (Resident):** YES. MY NAME IS FRED SAUER AND I'VE BEEN A BLOOMINGTON RESIDENT FOR OVER 30 YEARS AND I WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL FOR LETTING ME SPEAK AGAIN THIS EVENING. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE COUNCIL VOTE DOWN OPTION A AND I'M IN FAVOR OF OPTION B SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT PERFECTLY CLEAR AT THE START AND LAST TIME I ADDRESSED THE COUNCIL IT WAS ABOUT AFFORDABILITY AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SINCE THAT TIME THE HRA HAS GIVEN THIS COUNCIL SOME ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD COST TO BUILD AN AFFORDABLE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND WE GOT TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH OUR TERMS HERE BECAUSE SOME SAY AFFORDABLE BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABILITY, AFFOABLE HOUSING THE HRA PRESENTED TO THIS COUNCIL A WAY TO BUILD HOUSES THAT WERE OVER $400,000 EACH AND OF THAT $400,000 OVER HALF OF THAT WAS SUBSIDIZED. SO DON'T DON'T GET ME WRONG I'M ALL IN FAVOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. MY WIFE AND I HAVE BEEN CONTRIBUTING TO HABITAT FOR HUMANITY FOR MANY, MANY YEARS . BUT IF IT'S GOING TO TAKE OVER A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS TO SUBSIDIZE EACH INDIVIDUAL HOUSE, HOW MANY HOUSES DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING THAT ARE AFFORDABLE HOUSING HERE THAT ARE SINGLE FAMILY? I DON'T SEE HOW IT'S NECESSARY TO CHANGE THE WHOLE LOT SIZE ZONING THROUGHOUT ALL OF OUR ONE FOR THESE COUPLE OF HOUSES THAT MAY BE BUILT THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER WAY TO DO IT. SINCE I SPOKE TO YOU LAST TIME THE DISCUSSION SEEMED TO HAVE CHANGED FROM AFFORDABILITY TO HAVING HIGHER DENSITY. I REMIND I KINDLY REMIND THE COUNCIL THAT THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD PUT IN AS ONE OF YOUR GOALS. YOU DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING IN YOUR GOALS FOR THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL FOR HIGHER DENSITY AND AND SINCE THEN THOUGH THERE WAS ALSO DISCUSSION ABOUT EAST VERSUS BLOOMINGTON I TAKE STRONG EXCEPTION TO THAT. I THINK THAT THE DATA WILL SHOW THAT THERE ARE AS MANY PROPERTIES MORE PROPERTIES ON THE EAST SIDE THAT COULD BE AFFECTED BY IT, BY THE ZONING CHANGES THAT ALLOW FOR SMALLER LOTS. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU'VE SPOKEN TO WHO ARE WHO PLAN TO LIVE ON THE EAST SIDE ARE CURRENT HOMEOWNERS WHO PLAN TO LIVE THERE FOR A LONG TIME AND HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT COULD SPLIT THEIR LOT. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YOU'VE HEARD FROM. I'M SURE THAT THERE THERE AND I ASSUME THAT THEY HAVEN'T COME AND SPOKEN TO THIS COUNCIL BECAUSE THEY JUST AREN'T AWARE OF HOW IT WILL AFFECT I GUARANTEE THAT IF YOU SHOULD PASS THAT OPTION A AND ONE OF THESE HOMEOWNERS SEES THEIR NEIGHBOR THEIR HOUSE TO A DEVELOPER AND THAT LOT GETS SPLIT A HALF TWO BIG HOUSES ARE GOING TO BE PUT UP TO REPLACE THE MODEST RAMBLER THAT WAS THERE. YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT IT . I'VE ATTENDED MANY BLOOMINGTON CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS OVER THE MANY YEARS THAT I'VE LIVED HERE AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ALMOST ALWAYS COME TO A UNANIMOUS CONSENSUS ON ANY VOTE I'VE SEEN SOME SIX ONE VOTES BUT ALMOST ALWAYS IT'S A70 VOTE. I WOULD REALLY HATE TO SEE AN ISSUE LIKE THIS THAT'S SO IMPORTANT ON OPTION A GO BE PASSED ON A 4 TO 3 OR EVEN A 5 TO 2 VOTE. PLEASE REMEMBER YOUR MOTTO ONE BLOOMINGTON ONE BLOOMINGTON AGAIN ASK YOU TO VOTE. I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO VOTE DOWN OPTION I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING TO ME THIS EVENING. [01:02:10] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. STAR. THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS . THE MAYOR COUNCIL WAS TOLD THAT 3 TO 9 NORMAN RIDGE DRIVE GOOD EVENING WELCOME. [01:02:22] **Resident (Norman Ridge Group):** THANK YOU I THINK IT' BE ABOUT 30 SECONDS MY ASK I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A LABORIOUS TOPIC ONE THAT WE'ALL PROBABLY INVESTED MORE TIME THAN WE'VE WANTED TO ON THIS TOPIC I KNOW INCLUDING MYSELF THE NEIGHBORS SPENT A LOT OF TIME PETITION WE BROUGHT A LOT OF STUFF FORWARD. MY ONLY ASK IS THAT THE NAME THE NORMAN RIDGE DRIVE GROUP GET CONSIDERED IN THE DISCUSSION FOR RS1 REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS HERE TONIGHT OR GETS PASSED. SO HOWEVER HOWEVER THAT GOES DOWN LOGISTICALLY WE ASK THAT WE COULD BE CONSIDERED IN THAT DISCUSSION FOR OUR ONE THANK YOU AND THANK YOU [01:03:00] **Mayor Tim Busse:** FLASH MOVIE MAYBE WE'LL JUST GO WITH MISS V WAS GOOD. IT WAS GOOD. I WAS CLOSE ENOUGH OTHERS WISHING TO SPEAK THIS EVENING I WAS LAUGHING. WHAT DID YOU WANT TO COME UP? I DESIGNED A PLASTIC SO [01:03:15] **Sandy Hamley (Resident):** SANDY HAMLEY MR. MAYOR COUNCIL I JUST WANTED TO REINFORCE WHAT MR. SAUER SAID THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR WHAT WE STARTED IN JANUARY WE ARE LOOKING FOR PROTECTION OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASPECT OF BLOOMINGTON. WE DO NOT BELIEVE BLOOMINGTON IS A ONE SIZE FIT ALL. MOST OF US CAME HERE FOR SOMETHING WHETHER IT WAS THE PARKS OR IN OUR PARTICULAR AREA THE WILDLIFE AND THE TREES AND OUR REQUEST OR MY REQUEST IS THAT BLOOMINGTON DOES NOT HAVE WE'RE BIG ENOUGH FOR 80 90,000 RESIDENTS THAT WE CAN HAVE MORE THAN ONE ZONING. SO MY REQUEST IS SINCE NOTHING HAS CHANGED FROM PLANNING SINCE DAY ONE, IT JUST SEEMS DISINGENUOUS TO HEAR THAT WE'VE SPENT HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS JUST TRYING TO REINFORCE WHAT THEY ORIGINALLY CAME UP WITH AND I JUST HOPE THAT THERE'S CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO PROTECTING THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THANKS. [01:04:15] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU, MS. HAMLEY PLEASE . [01:04:20] **Nathan Reeder (Resident):** HI NATION READER 2861 OVERLOOKED CIRCLE SO I HAVEN'T SPENT MUCH TIME THINKING ABOUT THIS PER SE BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW BUT YOU ALL HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND I APPRECIATE THAT I HAVE SPENT THOUSANDS OF HOURS IN MY HOUSE IN MY YARD WORKING INVESTING IN MY HOME BECAUSE I LOVE MY LOT AND I LOVE BLOOMINGTON AND I LOVE THE TURKEYS AND T BIRDS AND THE DEER AND THE BEAUTIFUL WHITE PINES IN MY BACKYARD. I LOVE THE TREES THAT WERE RIPPED OUT OF MY NEIGHBOR'S YARD AND NOT I HAD A DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE BUT SO I SEE MY WHITE PINES AND I THINK WELL THOSE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO GET KILLED AND THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE GONE. YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE NO YOU KNOW THEY'LL JUST BE GONE. THAT'LL BE THAT. SO YOU KNOW, I WONDER WHY WE'RE AT THE LEADING EDGE. THE GENTLEMAN SAID WE'RE AT THE LEADING EDGE. WE'RE ONE OF THE LARGEST COMMUNITIES IN MINNESOTA. WHY ARE W EXPERIMENTI WITH ONE OF THE LARGEST COMMUNITIES ? IT'S SELF-EVIDENT THAT REDUCING ZONING IS GOING TO IS GOING TO MAKE THINGS MORE AFFORDABLE. I MEAN IF IT'S A WILD WEST AND YOU CAN HAVE ANY LOT SIZE YOU WANT THEORETICALLY THEN IT'S GOING TO BE CHEAPER BECAUSE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AS DESIRABLE OR AS VALUABLE. AND SO I THINK IT'S GOING HAVE A CHILLING EFFECT ON INVESTMENT FROM HOMEOWNERS IF . I KNOW THAT MY NEIGHBOR'S LOT CAN GET SOLD TO A DEVELOPER AND I'M MOVING BEFORE I PUT MONEY INTOY HOUSE AND AND HEARING ABOUT THIS MAKES ME WONDER IF I SHOULD HAVE INVESTED IN MY HOME IN BLOOMINGTON OR IF I SHOULD HAVE MOVED TO A COMMUNITY WHERE MY MY PROPERTY RIGHTS AND VALUES SHOULD BE PROTECTED. SO AND I KNOW I'M NOT ALONE IN THIS OBVIOUSLY AFFORDABILITY IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. THE QUESTION IS IS JUST OF GOING FROM 100 FOOT TO 60 FEET, IS THAT GOING TO HELP THAT THAT SEEMS LIKE A FAIRLY DRASTIC CHANGE. IT SEEMS LIKE A STEP CHANGE WOULD BE A MORE SENSIBLE CHANGE IN SUCH A LARGE AND DIVERSE COMMUNITY AS BLOOMINGTON. SO THAT'S WHY BETWEEN THE CHOICES A AND B I WOULD CERTAINLY BE IN FAVOR OF OPTION B AND I RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT MY THOUGHTS TO THE COUNCIL TODAY AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND GIVING ME A CHANCE. SHARE MY FEELINGS. [01:07:05] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU MR. REEDER. [01:07:10] **Nick Erickson (Housing First MN):** GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL MY NAME IS NICK ERICSON. I'M SENIOR DIRECTOR OF HOUSING POLICY FOR POLICY FOR HOUSING FIRST MINNESOTA. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR AGAIN THIS IMPORTANT CONVERSATION AND COMMEND YOUR STAFF FOR THEIR DILIGENT WORK AND FOR ALLOWING US TO PARTICIPATE THE PROCESS WITH A COST ANALYSIS. THIS IS REALLY AMONG THE MOST BOLD VISIONS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN HOUSING POLICY HERE IN THE STATE AND IT DOES REFLECT THE NATIONAL MOVEMENT THAT HAS STARTED TOWARD HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND ACCESS AS YOUR STAFF INDICATED THAT WHEN YOU DO ADD MORE HOUSING ACTUALLY DOES SLOW HOUSING COSTS GROWTH ACTUALLY WILL MAKE BLOINGTON A MORE ATACTIVE COMMUNITY NOT JUST TO POTENTIAL BUYERS RENTERS BUT THE EXISTING RESIDENTS. IT DOES HELP DRIVE DOWN HOUSING COSTS. YOU KNOW, WE TALK A LOT ABOUT ENVIRONMENT AND PROTECTING IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT ALL HOUSING WILL BE BUILT FOLLOWING THE ENACTMENT OF THIS PROPOSAL WILL BE DONE TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS OF 2023 AND BEYOND WHICH IS FAR GREATER THAN THE ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS OF MANY OF THE HOMES AND HOUSES BUILT IN THE STATE ARE IN THIS COMMUNITY. PRIOR TO THE ENACTME OF THIS PROPOS AND REALLY WHAT YOU HAVE WITH OPTIONS A AND B ARE A TALE OF TWO CITIES THAT COULD BE BLOOMINGTON'S FUTURE OPTION B GIVING A CARVE OUT TO CERTAIN PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY DOES YOU KNOW KIND OF BRING AS TO WHAT IS THE PROPER ROLE FOR THE STATE IN CHOOSING HOUSING POLICIES FOR COMMUNITIES IF WE'RE ALLOWING CERTAIN COMMUNITIES TO GET A CARVE OUT WHEN THERE IS NO ENVIRONMENTAL REASON TO DO SO OPTION B IS REALLY THE BOLD VISION FOR BLOOMINGTON TO BE A LEADER AND A TEMPLATE FOR MINNESOTA. REALLY? I ASK YOU TO SUPPORT OPTION A IT WILL HAVE THE GREATEST IMPACT ON HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AND ACCESS IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. THANK YOU. [01:09:05] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU, MR. ERICKSON . [01:09:10] **Resident (Overlook Drive):** GOOD EVENING. WELCOME IN3 THOUSAND ONE OVERLOOK DRIVE HELLO MAYOR AND CITY JUST NEED TO ADD MY THOUGHTS ON THE COMMENTS THAT THE REST OF THE HOMEOWNERS HERE HAVE MAD REGARDING WHY WE LIVE HERE AND HOW WE FEEL ABOUT OUR PROPERTIES WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THESE IDEAS HAVE BEEN PROPOSED REGARDLESS OF PROXIMITY TO NATURAL HABITATS AND ADDING MORE PROPERTIES WITHIN SMALLER AREAS IS GOING TO ELIMINATE THAT FREEDOM. THOSE ANIMALS THAT WE ALL CAME HERE TO ROAM THE NATURE OF THE TREES THAT WE ALL LOVE AND SUPPORT IN THIS IN THIS COMMUNITY ARE A BIG PART OF OUR LIVES AND WHY WE LIVE HERE WE HAVE JUST COME THROUGH A MAJ TAX IREASE ANDHAT HIT THOSE PROPERTIES A LITTLE BIT HARDER PER SE. SOME CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH CITY MEMBERS ABOUT WHY THAT HAPPENED WHERE WE WANT TO STAY IN BLOOMINGTON WE LOVE THE TREATMENT WE'VE HAD FROM THE CITY HERE AND I JUST WANTED TO SHARE MY PASSION AS A HOMEOWNER ABOUT CONSIDERING NOT PASSING A THE LOT SIZES DON'T REALLY ADD ANYTHING TO THE VALUE OF OUR PROPERTY DOING THAT NOR DO THEY SUSTAIN THE NATURE THAT WE CAME HERE FOR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTING. [01:10:35] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [01:10:40] **Resident (Brian Savage):** GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BRIAN MAYOR. MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL DON'T HAVE A POLISHED PRESENTATION. I WASN'T EXPECTING THIS TO COME UP TONIGHT BUT I REALLY SEE THIS AS MOM, DAD AND APPLE ISSUE. THIS IS THIS IS ARE YOU CHANGING T SOCIAL CONTRAC BETWN CITIZEN AND THE GOVERNMENT AND THAT MAY SEEM GRANDIOSE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BUT WE ALL CAME TO BLOOMINGTON HERE ANTICIPATING AND EXPECTING THE RULES THAT WERE IN PLACE AND THAT YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT CHANGE HAPPENS AND SO FORTH BUT WHAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING HERE IS PERMANENT ONCE YOU CHANGE YOUR PROPERTY AND PUT TWO HOUSES THERE ONCE, YOU CHANGE A HOUSE AND PUT T FAMILIES OR ONE MORE BEFORE THAT'S PERMANENT. I, I JUST BELIEVE YOU KNOW, TO ME IT'S LIKE CITIZENSHIP EXCEPT YOU'RE RESICTING INSTEAD OF EXPANDING IT AND MAKING IT MORE BROADLY BASED, YOU'RE REDUCING IT. AND I DON'T SEE YOU REPRESENTING THE CURRENT RESIDENTS. WE VOTED FOR YOU GUYS. YOU'RE YOU'RE AACKING THE SOCIAL CONTRACT WE CAME HERE FROM I'VE HEARD TESTIMONY FROM THE COUNCIL THAT MADE STATEMENTS LIKE OH YOU CAN YOU KNOW, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT INCREASING DENSITY CREATES SOCIAL PROBLEMS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WHEN I WAS IN SCHOOL AND THAT WAS A TIME AGO THERE WERE ALL KINDS OF STUDIES TALKING ABOUT DENSITY, INCREASED SOCIAL ISSUES. I MEAN I DON LIVE IN THE AREA THAT HAS BEEN STRONGEST IN OPPOSING THIS BUT I JUST THINK THIS IS A A REFERENDUM TYPE ISSUE, NOT A LET'S VOTE ON IT AND WHETHER IT'S 8 HOURS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT OR 50, IT'S A BASIC ISSUE. IT'S A BASIC YOUR HOME IS A MOM, DAD AND APPLE SITUATION. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT EVEN OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS SAYING IT'LL BE FIVE YEARS BEFORE WE KNOW HOW WELL THIS HAS AND WHETHER IT WAS A GOOD IDEA OR NOT YOU' TALKING ABO MAKIN CHANGES AND THEN FINDING OUT YEARS LATER WHETHER THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA OR I'M GOING TO ARGUE THAT EVERY SINGLE CHANGE HAS AFFECTED SOME CITIZENS THAT NEVER ANTICIPATED IT WOULD BE LIKE THAT AND IT ISN'T WHETHER THERE'S A BIKE LANE AND IN THE ROAD. SO MY FOUR LANE ROAD WENT DOWN TO TWO AND THAT'S IN CONVENIENCE. THIS IS SOMETHING YOU COME HOME TO EVERY NIGHT AND LIVE THERE AND SO YOU KNOW I, I IT'S A IT'S A IT'S A DO OR DIE THING THAT IT'S IT'S THE CITIZENS RIGHTS VERSUS THE GOVERNMENTS TO IMPOSE. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT'S RESTRICTING THAT YOU ARE OKAY YOU'RE AND YOU'RE ENLARGING THE CITY. I DON'T SEE WHY GROWTH IS SO IMPORTANT WHEN IT'S GOING TO IMPACT NEGATIVELY THE PEOPLE THAT ALREADY LIVE HERE AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT VOTED TO PUT YOU WHERE YOU ARE SO ANYBODY THAT I, I WOULD SAY IT NEEDS MORE DISCUSSION AND MORE CITY INVOLVEMENT AND MORE RESIDENTS INVOLVEMENT. AND I THINK IF YOU MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT THE LOCK SOMETHING IN I THINK YOU'RE LOCKING THE PEOPLE THAT YOU REPRESENT OUT AND I'M SORRY TO MAKE IT SUCH AN IN-YOUR-FACE THING BUT I REALLY DO FEEL IT'S A BASIC SITUATION. IT'S IT'S WHAT YOU LIVE FOR. IT'S WHAT YOU BUILD YOUR FUTURE FOR. IT'S WHAT YOU BRING YOUR FAMILY HERE INVEST IN AND I SEE YOU'VE GOT 45 SECONDS SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING ME. I HOPE YOU'LL TAKE MY REMARKS UNDER CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [01:14:15] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU, MR. SAVAGE. [01:14:20] **Denise Royer (Resident):** GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DENISE ROYER. I LIVE AT 10348 PLEASANT AVUE SOUTH. I AM HERE THIS EVENING TO INDICATE THAT I AM A STRONG ADVOCATE OF HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AS IT AFFECTS OWNERSHIP AS WELL AS RENTAL. I'M ALSO HERE TO ASK THAT YOU SUPPORT ORDINANCE OPTION A AS I HAVE REVIEWED THE INFORMATION AND LISTEN A HEARING THERE ARE MANY FACTORS INVOLVED AND I HAVE TO GIVE GREAT CREDIT TO THE STAFF THAT HAS HELPED TO CLAFY ISSUES AS WELL AS ALL OF YOU AS COUNCILMEMBERS AND MAYOR TO THE COMPLEXITY IT RELATES TO HOUSING. I, I GUESS THIS EVENING WE HEARD ABOUT THE UM THE SUBSIDY THAT THAT MAY BE NEEDED TO HELP BRING ABOUT SOME NEW HOUSING THAT WOULD BE MORE AFFORDABLE AND I GUESS MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT SOMETIMES IT TAKES WIDE ARRAY OF PARTNERS IN ORDER TO COME AND MAKE A CHANGE IN REGARDS TO IMPORTANT ISSUES. AND IF WE NEED TO HAVE A LOT OF PARTNERS IN A VARIETY OF FUNDING, SO BE IT. I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT AND KEEP MIND OUR BLOOMINGTON STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WAS DEVELOPED BY MANY, MANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND THAT EP IN MIND THA WEAVE BLOOMINGN TOMORROW TOGETHER . SO I ENCOURAGE THAT YOU VOTE OPTION OPTION A THANK [01:16:05] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU MS. ROYER. [01:16:10] **Tanya Reeder (Resident):** CAN I COME UP JUST IF I HAVE A QUESTION? [01:16:12] **Mayor Tim Busse:** YES, YOU MAY HAVE LIKE A SPEECH YOU DON'T YOU DON'T NEED A SPEECH. NO . [01:16:15] **Tanya Reeder:** HI. I'M TANYA REEDER 2861 OVERLOOK CIRCLE. SO MY QUESTION IS IN OPTION A WITH THE SMALLER LOT SIZE THAT ALLOWS OBVIOUSLY MORE AND THE CONNECTION TO THAT HELPING AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS THERE ANYTHING IN OPTION A THAT SAYS THAT THE HOUSES PUT ON THOSE NEW SMALLER LOTS HAS TO BE AFFORDABLE OR CAN A DEVELOPER COME IN AND PUT UP A $700,000 HOME THAT'S OKAY. SO THEN GUESS I DO HAVE A LITTLE SPEECH HOW IT WOULD BE THAT I CAN I CAN SEE THE THEORY THAT THIS WOULD HELP WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT IN MANY AREAS OF BLOOMINGTON ALREADY BEFORE THIS YOU HAVE HOUSES BEING TORN DOWN IN BIG BEAUTIFUL HOUSES BEING PUT UP. AND SO I THINK THAT WOULD STILL BE A DRAW FOR DEVELOPER IN BLOOMINGTON BAUSE IT'S A WONDFUL TO LIVE ESPECIALLY LIKE YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE. WE HAVE A LOT OF WILDLIFE AND A LOT OF NATURAL BEAUTY AND I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT THESE TWO ARE TIED TOGETHER INTRINSICALLY AND SO WHAT WE MAY END UP HAPPENING WITH OPTION A IS YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO HELP AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT ACTUALLY WHAT IT'S DOING IS JUST OPENING IT UP FOR DEVELOPERS TO COME IN AND PUT UP EXPENSIVE HOUSES AND YOU KNOW, WEALTHY PEOPLE MOVE IN AND I THAT'S FINE TOO BUT IT'S IT'S NOT ACTUALLY DOING WHAT THE INTENT OF IT WAS IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE MY OPINION THAT THERE MAY BE A DOWNSIDE TO IT IN THAT YOU'RE AFFECTING THE CURRENT RESIDENTS LIKE A lot OF PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY SAID THE PEOE WHO ACTUALLYLREADY LIV IN BLOOMINGTON A BEING AFFECTED NEGATIVELY AND THEN THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO HELP TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AREN'T ACTUALLY BEING HELPED BECAUSE IT'S JUST A DEVELOPER COMING IN AND BUILDING A BIG HOUSE IF THERE'S NO RULE ABOUT THAT, THAT'S IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. [01:18:20] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU MS. REEDER AND I WOULD ACTUALLY ASK STAFF TO TO ANSWER THIS READER'S QUESTION FOR US AFTER WE GET DONE WITH PUBLIC HEARING. YES . AND UNLESS THERE'S ANYONE ELSE COMING FORWARD MR. BRILLIANT DO WE HAVE ANYONE ON THE PHONE WISHING TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM LIKE TO COME FORWARD 1/2 MR. BUTLER TO HAVE ANYONE ON THE PHONE? [01:18:40] **Staff:** MAYOR NOBODY ON THE PHONE. [01:18:42] **Mayor Tim Busse:** OKAY, PLEASE. [01:18:45] **Jay Pester (Resident):** I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. MY NAME IS JAY PESTER. I LIVE AT 3001 OVERLOOK DRIVE . I WANTED TO SPEAK TO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IN RELATION TO THE PERMITS PULLED FOR THE LOT THERE WAS SOMETHING PROPOSED ABOUT THE RAISING THE MAXIMUM IMPERVIOUS SOIL USAGE WHICH HOPEFULLY YOU ALL KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS I KNOW SEAN KNOWS WHAT THAT MEANS. IT MEANS THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE RUNOFF FROM PROPERTY THAT WON'T SOAK INTO THE SOIL AND FROM A PROPERTY OWNER THAT HAS MORE THAN A HALF ACRE THAT IMPERVIOUS SOIL COVAGE HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE AND IT FEELS TO ME LIKE IT'S GOING ON TO CURRENT PROPERTY OWNERS THAT HAVE MORE PROPERTY AND IT FEELS LIKE IT'S AN UNSAFE PROPOSITION TO CREEP THIS PROCESS FORWARD WHERE IT ISN'T STATED WHAT THE RATE IS IN IMPERVIOUS SOIL USAGE IS GOING TO BE. SO I WANTED THAT TO BE SHARED THAT WITH A BIGGER STRUCTURE LOTS MORE PAVED AREA IT'S GOING TO AFFECT PEOPLE'S HOMES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE AND WERE NOT ALLOWED LARGER USES OF OF COVERAGE OF IMPERVIOUS SOIL AND THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE TYPE ORTHOGRAPHY ON SOME OF THE BACK LOTS THAT ARE ON STEEPER SLOPES AND SO I WANTED TO SHARE THAT FEELING AND KNOW THAT THAT'S A CONCERN OF PROPERTY OWNERS AROUND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO APPROVE AS INCREASING THE MAXIMUM SOIL USAGE OF IMPERVIOUS SOIL. THANK YOU [01:20:15] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU MR. PESTER. ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK TONIGHT PLEASE COME FORWARD . [01:20:25] **Susan Jacobsen (Resident):** GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME. I'M SUSAN JACOBSEN FROM NORMAN RANCH AND I JUST WANTED TO KNOW I HAVEN'T SEEN THESE STATS IN BLMINGTON WHAT IS THE RATIO WE HAVE FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES, DUPLEXES, APARTMENT A FOUR APARTMENTS AFFORDABLE HOUSING SECTION EIGHT COMPARED TO OTHER CITIES OTHER SUBURBS WE'RE CLOSE TO LIKE EDINA, EDEN PRAIRIE, BURNSVILLE, WOODBURY MEAN WHEN I DRIVE AROUND BLOOMINGTON WE HAVE ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING MORE THAN I SEE IN EDEN PRAIRIE OR EDINA OR ANY PLACE ELSE. SO WHAT'S THE GOAL HERE? ARE WE TRYING TO WIPE OUT THAT OUT? SO THAT'S I'D LIKE TO SEE THOSE STATS. THANK YOU. [01:21:20] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU, MS. JACOBSON. ANYONE? STAFF WELL, IF YOU'RE JOTTING DOWN THOSE QUESTIONS I HOPE COUNCIL I SEE NO ONE ELSE COMING FORWARD. WE'VE GOT NO ONE ON THE PHONE. I LOOK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC ON TONIGHT'S TONIGHT'S PUBLIC HEARING [01:21:40] **Councilmember Shawn Nelson:** SOME OF THEM ARE GOING TO [01:21:42] **Mayor Tim Busse:** MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LONG SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I AM 4.30 FOR THE CNCIL DISCUSSN ALL THOSE IN VOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSED MOTION COMMITTEE SEVEN ZERO CLOSING THE PUBLIC HEARING MR. JOHNSON THE COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP THE FIRST REGARDING REQUIRED MINIMUM COST OR REQUIRED COST IF A LOT WAS DEVELOPED THERE WERE SOME OR AT LEAST CONCERNS REGARDING IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THERE TO ADDRESS AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE AT YOUR FINGERTIPS THE RATIO OF HOUSING TYPES THAT WE HAVE HERE THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. [01:22:20] **Nick Johnson:** YEAH. THANK YOU, MAY. YBE BEFORE IDDRESS THOSE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS MORE OF A GENERIC OR GENERAL COMMENT KIND OF THE FULL FOR THE FULL SCALE OF THE PROJECT AS IT STARTED FROM POINT A ALL THE WAY TO POINT Z THAT WE'RE HERE OR MAYBE PART POINT I DON'T KNOW WHAT LETTER WE'LL SEE BUT I THIS REALLY GETS TO ONE OF THE THING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS JUST CONSISTENT MESSAGING WHAT THE PROJECT GOALS ARE DEPENDING ON WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO AND DEPENDING ON THE QUESTIONS THAT THEY'RE ASKING OR THE POINTS THAT THEY WANT TO DISCUSS WITH YOU TYPICALLY EY'LL ZER IN ON ONER MAYBE T OF THE PROJECT GOALS . WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO COMMUNICATE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROJECT IS FOR DIFFERENT PROJECT GOALS AND THAT DOES INCLUDE ADDING HOUSING VARIETY AND NEW TYPES TO BLOOMINGTON THAT CAN'T CURRENTLY BE BUILT AND THAT ADDRESS SOME OF THE OTHER DISCUSSION ITEMS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THROUGHOUT THE SO I DO WANT TO REITERATE WE'VE BEEN GUILTY OF OURSELVES OF JUST KIND OF FOCUSING ON HOUSING HOMEOWNERSHIP AFFORDABILITY AND CLOSING THE OPPORTUNITY AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS. BUT THERE ARE ALL THESE OTHER GOALS THAT WE DO VALUE AS WELL. THE QUESTION ABOUT THE HOUSING COST AS FAR AS THE POSSIBILITY OF MORE EXPENSIVE HOMES BEING BUILT AS A RESULT OF SOME OF THESE CHANGES, THAT CERTAINLY IS POSSIBILITY. BUT ONE OF THE GOALS THAT WE'VE HAD IN FACT I WOULD SAY IT'S A LIKELIHOOD IT'S NOT A POSSIBILITY BUT ONE OF THE GOALS THAT WE'VE HAD IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE PRESENTATION AGAIN THANKS TO HOUSING FIRST FOR PROVIDING SOME OF THAT ANALYSIS IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO LOWER THE THE COSTS FOR ALL DIFFERENT POLICY PRICE POINTS OF HOUSING AS THEY COME TO BLOOMINGTON SO THAT THAT $700,000 HOUSE ACTUALLY BECOMES 675 THROUGH A VARIOUS WAYS OF APPROVAL PROCESSES, CHANGES AND OTHER REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS THAT CAN REDUCE COST LAND COSTS AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. SO DEPENDING ON REGARDLESS OF WHAT PRICE POINT OF HOME YOU'RE LOOKING AT, THERE IS POTENTIAL SAVINGS AT ALL OF THOSE VARIOUS PRICE POINTS . THE REGULATIONS AFFECT ALL THE PROPERTIES UNIFORMLY JUST THE PROPERTIES WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO CREATE AFFORDABLE HOMEOWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES. SO HOPEFULLY I TOUCHED ON THAT ONE. OKAY. ON THE 10TH SPEAKER I'M SORRY I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR NAME SIR BUT ABOUT THE IMPERVIOUS SORRY IMPERVIOUS SURFA QUESTIONS WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT AT MAY 1ST. HOMES THAT ARE BUILT TODAY ARE SUBJECT TO THE MOST STRICT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT REGULATIONS AND THIS ACTUALLY AFFECTS ADDITIONS TO IT. SO I'M GLAD THAT THERE'S A LOT OF HOMEOWNERS OR RESIDENTS HERE ASKED IF YOU'RE PLANNING A LARGER EDITION THAT INCLUDES MORE THAN 5000 SQUARE FEET OF LAND AREA DISTURBANCE, YOU ARE ALSO GOING TO BE SUBJECT TO INSTALLING SOME STORMWATER FACILITIES ON YOUR SITE USUALLY IN THE FORM OF A RAIN GARDEN OR IN OF MORE CONSTRAINED SITES. IT COULD BE A PIPE GALLERY OR SOME OTHER FORM OF TREATMENT BUT THE STRUCTURE OF THE RULES IS THAT YOU CANNOT INCREASE THE RATE IN WHICH STORMWATER IS LEAVING YOUR PROPERTY FROM THE PRECONDITION TO THE CONDITION. THAT'S THE BOARD. THAT'S THE HOW THE RULES ARE STRUCTURED IN MINNESOTA AND BLOOMINGTON. SO THAT'S THE BASELINE IN TERMS OF GETTING INTO THE SPECIFICS OF THE REGULATION AND THE THE PROPOSED INCREASE TO 45%. SO TODAY ALL PROPERTIES ARE CAPPED AT 35%. ALL LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL IS CAPPED AT 35%. THIS WOULD PROPOSE TO INCREASE TO 45% BUT JUST FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE BELOW 11,000 SQUAR ET IN AREA ANDHE RSON FOR THAT IS THAT ENGINEERING EXPRESSED THIS VERY SAME CONCERN THAT IF YOU ALLOW ALL PROPERTIES THAT ARE LESS CONSTRAINED THAN A SMALLER LOT TO EXCEED THAT THAT IT WOULD INCREASE BURDEN ON THE CITY'S STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS AND THAT'S JUST NOT THE RIGHT SOLUTION SO THAT THE PROVISION IS STRICTLY TO THE SMALLER LOT AND IN ADDITION TO THE POINT ABOUT STORMWATER MANAGEMENT BEING SUCH AN IMPORTANT CRITICAL POINT I DON'T HAVE THE TO THE LAST QUESTION I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS OFFHAND GLENN BUT GLENN DOES HAVE THE NUMBERS BUT I DO I DON'T BELIEVE GLENN'S GOING TO HAVE THE NUMBERS OF THOSE OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT WE'RE ASKED ABOUT IS FROM A COMPARISON STANDPOINT. [01:27:10] **Glen Markegard (Planning):** MAYOR OBVIOUSLY COUNCIL MEMBERS GOOD EVENING. IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF UNITS, THE MOST READILY AVAILABLE DATA WAS FROM OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT'S A 16 DATA SO A LITTLE BIT OLD BUT STILL VERY GERMANE AT THAT POINT BLOOMINGTON HAD 37,670 UNITS AND OF THAT NUMBER 58.6% WERE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOMES, 8.3% WERE ONE UNIT DETACHED HOMES WHETHER TOWNHOMES OR SIDE BY SIDE TWO FAMILY HOMES, ANOTHER 2.1% WERE EITHER OVER UNDER TWO FAMILY HOMES TRIPLEXES OR QUAD PLEXUS 30.6% WERE MULTI-UNIT STRUCTURES WITH FIVE OR MORE UNITS IN THE BUILDING AND 0.4% WERE MOBILE HOMES AT THAT POINT IN TIME AND WE DO NOT HAVE HANDY THE SAME STATISTICS FROM OTHER CITIES WE COULD EASILY FIND THAT BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT FOR YOU TONIGHT. [01:28:05] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU. THAT'S HELPFUL. THANK YOU, GLENN. [01:28:10] **Nick Johnson:** AND IF I CAN ADD ONE QUESTION OR COMMENT TO THE END OF THE LAST. SPEAKER TWO WAS A CONCERN ABOUT ENCROACHMENT INTO THE CITY'S PARKLAND. I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT THESE REGULATIONS ARE AS THEY'RE BEING PROPOSED, THEY'RE APPLICABLE FOR PROJECTS IN THE EXISTING LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREAS. THERE'S BEEN NO INVESTIGATION OR STUDY OF REPURPOSING CITY PARKLAND FOR THE PURPOSES OF CREATING HOUSING BUT I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT FEAR TO REST. [01:28:40] **Mayor Tim Busse:** AND MR. JOHNSON SOMEBODY HAD A COMMENT ALSO REGARDING TEARDOWNS WHAT'S THE RATE OF TEARDOWNS IN THE CITY? DO WE SEE THAT AT ALL? CERTAINLY NOT TO LEVEL THAT THEY SEE IN SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS AND IN DANA [01:28:52] **Nick Johnson:** MAYOR BRUCE LEE THE NUMBERS ARE VERY MODEST. IT IS JUST A FEW DEMO PERMITS PER YEAR TYPICALLY AND THAT YOU KNOW IN THE MORE RECENT ENVIRONMENT LITTLE IF ANY AT ALL SO NO IT'S NOT SIMILAR TO THAT OTHER ENVIRONMENT OR DINER THAT YOU COMMENTED ABOUT. [01:29:10] **Councilmember Jenna Carter:** THANK YOU. MAY I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT? WHAT YOU I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ANSWER THIS OR NOT BUT WHAT WOULD YOU SAY LED TO THE TEARDOWN ENVIRONMENT IN SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS IN INDIANA LIKE WERE THERE CERTAIN CONDITIONS AT MADE I JUST MORE LIKE EASIER PEOPLE TO DO THAT? LIKE I'M JUST CURIOUS FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE. [01:29:30] **Nick Johnson:** YEAH. MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER CARTER THIS MIGHT EVEN BE A GOOD QUESTION FOR SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT BACKGROUND TO WEIGH IN . I DON'T KNOW IF HOUSING FIRST GENTLEMAN WOULD HAVE ANY QUERY OR WHAT HIS FEEDBACK TO THAT WOULD BUT OBVIOUSLY IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THOSE SUB REAL ESTATE MARKETS. THEY'RE JUST INCREDIBLY DESIRABLE TO TYPE OF PROPERTY TO POINT OF BEING ABLE TO ACQUIRE A THREE $400,000 LOT OR PROPERTY DEMO AND STILL DRIVE A PROFIT FOR THE BUILDER OR DEVELOPER EXECUTING PROJECT . IT'S AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF VALUE IN THOSE SUB REAL ESTATE MARKETS THE LAKES AND ANY DINER FRANKLY [01:30:10] **Councilmember Jenna Carter:** I REMEMBER A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WHEN IT WAS LIKE WE WERE HAVING AFFORDABLE HOUSING CONVERSATIONS AND IN A DINER THERE WERE NO HOMES UNDER $350,000 AND SO THEY HAD THI HOUSING TRUST FUND AND ANYWAY A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS BUT I DO FEEL LIKE IN BLOOMINGTON WE ARE KIND OF ON THAT TREND RIGHT WHERE OUR MEDIAN HOME VALUE HAS INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS. YOU KNOW BLOOMINGTON IS A REALLY DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE SO I GUESS I JUST AM ASKING MYSELF LIKE ARE WE AT RISK OF SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAPPENING? I DON'T KNOW BUT IT'S JUST KIND OF IT MADE ME WONDER SO THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THE QUESTION. [01:30:50] **Nick Johnson:** YEAH, [01:30:52] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** ONE QUESTION I DID HEAR AS WELL WAS WITH REGARD TO IF WE COULD MAKE A REQUIREMENT WITHIN THE ZONING DISTRICT FOR AFFORDABILITY IF YOU COULD HELP ME UNDERSTD. SO THINK THAT WAS THE GUEST OF ONE OF THE QUESTIONERS. THEY WANTED TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT RESTRICTS US OR OR WHAT YOU KNOW, MAKES SURE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHIN THE ZONING. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE WHAT CAN AND CAN'T WE DO WITHIN A ZONING DISTRICT. [01:31:25] **Nick Johnson:** YEAH. MAYOR BUSSEY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN, THANKS FOR THAT QUESTION. ZONING TOOLS ZONING REGULATORY TOOLS DO NOT DEAL WITH AFFORDABILITY REALLY THE MINIMUM RULES THAT PRIVATE ACTORS GO BY IF THERE'S A PUBLIC PROJECT THAT INVOLVES SOME TYPE OF SUBSIDY OR EVEN BY A PRIVATE ACTOR NONPROFIT ETC. THEY CAN PLACE AFFORDABLE DEED RESTRICTIONS ON THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE OCCUPIED BY A PERSON WITH A CERTAIN INCOME LEVEL FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME. BUT AS FAR AS LIKE A CARTE BLANCHE APPLICABLE TO A SPECIFIC ZONING DISTRICT OR SPECIFIC USE, I'M NOT AWARE THAT THAT IS LEGAL. I CERTAINLY WOULD WELCOME ANY FEEDBACK THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS ON THAT FRONT BUT NOT FROM MY EXPERIENCE. THAT IS NOT A PERMITTED APPROACH. [01:32:15] **Mayor Tim Busse:** ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF MR. JOHNSON AND COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO [01:32:20] **Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION. IT'S ACTUALLY PROBABLY FROM MR. MARKET THE NUMBERS THAT YOU GAVE WERE THEY WERE THEY HOME OWNERSHIP NUMBERS? ARE THEY INCLUSIVE OF HOMEOWNERSHIP AND RENTAL [01:32:32] **Glen Markegard:** NEARBY CITY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO THOSE WERE ALL UNITS RENTAL OR OWNERSHIP. [01:32:40] **Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** OKAY GREAT. THANK YOU. YOU BET. [01:32:45] **Mayor Tim Busse:** SO COUNCIL WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US TWO OPTIONS WE HAVE THE OPTION A AND OPTION B THAT STAFF BROUGHT FORWARD AND WE'VE AS I MENTIONED WE HAVE AND THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AT LENGTH AND CHEWED UP QUITE SIGNIFICANTLY AND I DO DESPITE WHAT OTHERS MIGHT THINK. I DO THINK WE NEED TO MAKE WE NEED TO MOVE ON THIS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER TONIGHT WE NEED TO TO DECIDE HOW WE'RE GOING TO WORK ON THIS AND WHAT WE WANT THE FUTURE TO BE IN BLOOMINGTON AND HOW WE WANT TO SET UP TO MOVEORWARD. I WIL SAY I'VE YOU'VE HEARD IT IN MY VOICE AND YOU'VE HEARD IT AND SEEN IT IN MY ACTIONS. I'VE BEEN VERY REGARDING THIS WITH THE PLANNING THE PLANNING COMMISSION BROUGHT FORWARD OPTION EIGHT BASICALLY I'VE BEEN VERY HESITANT BECAUSE FRANKLY I LOOKED AT IT AND THOUGHT WELL THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE A BIG DEAL. THIS ISN'T GOING TO MAKE OF AN IMPACT WE'RE TALKING I'D BE SURPRISED IF IT'S TEN UNITS A YEAR. I WOULD BE SURPRISED AND I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S GOING DIDN'T THINK IT WAS GOING TO BE THIS ENORMOUS IMPACT AND FRANKLY IT FRUSTRATED ME A BIT BECAUSE IT DIDN'T DO ENOUGH I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS COULD DO ENOUGH. AND TO HEAR THE PAST COUPLE OF DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD TO HEAR FROM MS. COLEMAN LAST WEEK REGARDING THE CONTINUUM AND THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO GO INTO THAT AND AND DISSSIONS WITH FOL ABOUT THOSE TEN UNITS OBVIOUSLY BEING AMONG, YOU KNOW, 25,000 OR SO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. IT IT WOULDN'T BE IMPACTFUL TO THAT GROUP BUT IT WOULD BE VERY IMPACTFUL TO THE TEN FOLKS WHO ACTUALLY MOVE INTO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND AND THEN HAD THE OPPORTUNITY A COUPLE OF OPPORTUNITIES OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS ACTUALLY SPOKE AT THE AND BRICKS AND MORTAR EVENT WHICH IS THEIR ANNUAL AN ANNUAL EVENT THE DAY AND THE SPONSORS AND THEY'RE GREAT PARTNERS WITHIN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AND TO HEAR STORIES ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEEDS WITHIN THE TWIN CITIES AND TO TO TALK AS I TALKED AND KIND OF HEARD MYSELF TALKING ABOUT THIS THE FACT THAT AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS THAT WE'RE AT 85% OF OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING GOA IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON ACCORDING TO THE MET COUNCIL'S GOALS THAT THEY SET IS FOR 2030 AND YOU'VE ALL HEARD ME SAY IT BEFORE MY GUESS IS THAT PUTS US ABOUT 85% AHEAD OF MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS RIGHT NOW AND IT'S FRUSTRATING TO ME BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE DESPITE THE WORK THAT BLOOMINGTON IS DOING THAT WE'RE DOING THIS ALONE, WE'RE DOING THIS KIND OF ON AN ISLAND AND WE'RE JUST KIND OF PUSHING FORWARD AND NOBODY ELSE FOLLOWING. AND THEN IT STARTED TO CHANGE MY THINKING A LITTLE BIT AS I STARTED THINKING ABOUT THIS THE POINT THAT I BROUGHT UP IT'S ONLY TEN UNITS A YEAR BUT IT IS AN IMPACT A MAJOR IMPACT FOR THE TEN FOLKS WHO MOVE INTO A HOME AND FRANKLY IN A HOUSE IN A A CITY THE SIZE OF BLOOMINGTON WITH THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WE JUSTEARD . MERCURIO TAL ABOUT TEN UNITS A YEAR IT LIKELY WILL NOT IMPACT FOLKS. I MEAN IT COULD BE YEARS BEFORE YOU COULD SEE ANY IMPACT WITHIN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR EVEN WITHIN A SIGHT LINE OR THE ROADS THAT YOU TYPICALLY DRIVE ON AND THEN THINKING MORE AS ESPECIALLY AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE LEADERSHIP THAT BLOOMINGTON HAS IN SO MANY ISSUES AND TO ACTUALLY TO SEE THE NUMBER OF ISSUES THAT BLOOMINGTON WAS IN FRONT OF THAT THE STATE IS NOW KEPT CATCHING UP ON OR FOR THAT MATTER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS NOW JUST CATCHING UP ON WHETHE IT'S FLARED TOBACCO VAPING CONVERSION THERAPY OR IN SECOND SAFE THAT WE PASSED HERE IN BLOOMINGTON ACTED IN OUR LEADERSHIP ROLE THAT COMES WITH BEING THE FOURTH LARGEST CITY IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA THAT COMES WITH BEING A NOT A NOT A CENTRAL CITY BUT A SUBURB MAKING THESE BROAD, BOLD CHANGES TO TRY AND IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY THAT WE ARE WE ARE IN AND THEN SEEING OTHERS FOLLOW. I MEAN CITIES LOOK TO BLOOMINGTON THEY REALLY DO AND WITH THAT ALL IN MIND AND CONSIDERING THE THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR ARGUING THIS RESPECTFULLY AND THOUGHTFULLY AND CAREFULLY AND BRINGING FORWARD OPTIONS AND I THINK IT'S IT'S BEEN A HEALTHY DISCUSSION BUT WHERE I STAND RIGHT NOW COUNCIL AFTER NOW I THINK WE'RE AT NINE AND A HALF ARE PUSHING 10 HOURS OF DISCUSSION ON THIS I AM IN SUPPORT OF OPTION A TO MOVE THAT FORWARD SO BLOOMINGTON CAN CONTINUE THIS LEADERSHIP IN THIS AREA AND CAN CONTINUE TO BE SEEN AS AS A COMMUNITY THAT IS IS A IS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE AND NOT ONLY WANT TO BE BUT CAN BE IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS. AND SO THAT'S WHERE I STAND. AND AS I SAID, I'VE KIND OF BEEN BACK AND FORTH IN IN OUR PREVIOUS MEETINGS ON THIS AND NOT REALLY CONVINCED BUT IN THE FACT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DRIVE TO DECISION TONIGHT. I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT'S WHERE I STAND RIGHT NOW. COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN AND COUNCILMEMBER AND COUNCILWOMAN ,LET ME ASK YOU THIS QUESTION BEFORE I MAKE ANY OTHER COMMENTS HERE. DOES IT MAKE SENSE FOR US TO TRY TO G THIS OPTION OUT THERE SO WE KNOW KIND OF WHERE WE'RE WORKING FROM BECAUSE I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO KIND OF GET THIS THING OUT HERE SO WE CAN HAVE SOME PLACE TO KIND OF WORK FROM IF WE WANT TO WORK OUR WAY BACKWARDS. I THINK THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION WAS TO TO MOVE OPTION A AND SEE IF WE HAD THE VOTES AND IF WE DON'T HAVE THE VOTES FOR OPTION A WE THEN MOVED TO OPTION B WELL I'D LIKE TO GET THIS THING OUT THERE RIGHT NOW THIS OPTION A AND SEE IF THERE'S A SECOND OUT THERE AND CERTAINLY HAVE CONVERSATION. BUT I WANT TO SEE WHAT WE CAN IT ON THAT ASK YOUR POINT DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THE MOTION FOR OPTION EIGHT? [01:40:10] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** YEP. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. YES HE'S DOING SO IN THE CASE OF YOU OF PEEL TO 2020 221 I MOVE TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE AMENDING 1920 122 OF THE CITY CODE MODIFYING REQUIREMENTS FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND TWO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND DWELLINGS RELATED TO DEFINITIONS SIZE WITH APPROVAL PROCESS SETBACK REQUIREMENTS PARKING GARAGE REQUIREMENTS PLANNING AND OTHER RELATED STANDARDS. [01:40:40] **Councilmember Danielle Robertson:** SECOND [01:40:41] **Mayor Tim Busse:** WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN. MARTIN FOR OPTION A ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ON OPTION EIGHT. [01:40:52] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** NOW YOU KNOW MARY THANK YOU I THINK WE'VE GOT TO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO KIND OF GET THIS THERE AND GET THIS CLARIFIED. AND YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GATHERED HERE MANY, MANY MONTHS AGO, WE TALKED ABOUT THE IDEA OF THE FOUR THINGS THAT WERE PLACED FORWARD YOU KNOW, INCREASING AFFORDABLE HOMEWNERSHIP OPPORNITIES, PROVIDING HOME HOUSING OPTIONS AND HOUSING TYPES, PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES FOR INFILL HOUSING AND SEEK TO ADDRESS THE HOMEOWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITY GAPS. NOW CERTAINLY I AM YOU KNOW, I'LL BE THE FIRST PERSON TO TELL YOU THAT I AM VERY SKEPTICAL OF OF TWO OF THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THAT LIST. BUT WHEN WE YOU KNOW, LOOK, THE FACT THAT WE DON'T DO ANYTHING AT ALL WITH THAT WELL ,I DON'T KNOW IF IF YOU DON'T DO ANY OF THOSE THINGS THEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO REALLY ACCOMPLISH ANY OF THOSE THINGS ON TT LIST AND YOU KNOW, I MAY NOT NECESSARILY, YOU KNOW, AGREE WITH HOW WE'RE GOING ABOUT DOING THIS I TO MAYOR FEEL LIKE WE HAVEN'T GONE NO HAVEN'T GONE FAR ENOUGH BUT WE'VE GOT TO START SOMEPLACE AND THE PLACE WHERE I THINK WE'VE GOT TO START IS WE'VE GOT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN FOR THOSE NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE COME HERE TONIGHT THAT I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE WERE TO MOVE THIS TONIGHT THE WAY THAT IT IS THAT WEE DON'T FORGET ABOUT THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE PART OF THAT FACT. MOST OF MY DISTRICT IS GOING TO BE HEAVILY IMPACTED BY THIS. AND SO I'M I KNOW WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OTHER THAT ARE POSSIBILITIES TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. I WANT TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND I WANT TO DO THAT. I THINK THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY BE A LEADER IS TO GET OUT THERE AND TRY THIS STUFF AND AND SO I FOR ONE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE'VE GOT OUT THERE IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE OVERLOOKR WHETHERT BE ANY OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE HAVE COME BEFORE US, WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW DO WE MODIFY THAT RS1 DISTRICT AND SEE IF THAT WERE IT MAKES SENSE TO PLACE FOLKS THERE AND WHERE IT DOESN'T BEYOND THAT WHAT I WOULD SAY HERE IS THAT YES I AGREE THIS IS A MOM AND POP ISSUE BUT I COME DOWN ON THIS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. WE AS PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE PROPERTY HAVE A FREEDOM OF CHOICE ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO. WE REALLY ARE DOING AS ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE REALLY OPENING UP THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR FREEDOM OF CHOICE FOR FREE TO BE ABLE TO DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WITH YOUR PROPERTY IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A CONCERTED EFFORT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE CHANGE AS IT COMES TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE RISKS. WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO THINGS THE SAME WAY THAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE NOW CERTAINLY I FRIGHTENED ABOUT THIS AND THINGS ABOUT THIS THAT MAKE ME NERVOUS AND IT SHOULD MAKE YOU NERVOUS BUT THAT'S WHAT CHANGE LOOKS LIKE AND SO WE CANNO STOP SIMPLE HERE WE ALSO TO YOU KNOW ALL THE THINGS THAT FOLKS HAVE BROUGHT FORWARD AND THE THINGS YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT JUST BECAUSE I SUPPORT THIS PARTICULAR THING I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN ABOUT THAT AND I'M GOING TO WORK TIRELESSLY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT ABOUT YOUR PROPERTY AND ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT THE NEIGHBORS THAT YOU live AROUND THAT THAT THAT THOSE THINGS ARE LOOKED AT AND WE LOOK AT THOSE THINGS. AND SO LET ME WRAP UP BY SAYING THIS I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT SIMPLY THAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL THINGS SHOULD BE CONTAINED TO ONE ZONE IF WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS, WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY. YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALSO LEADERS IN THAT AS WELL JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE DENSIFICATION DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE DON'T HAVE A SUSTAINABLE ENVIRONMENT FOR FOLKS TO LIVE IN . WE HAVE OUR OUR FOLKS HAVE COME BEFORE US HAVE DONE THE GREAT WORK OF MAKING SURE THAT ABOUT A THIRD OF OUR CITY IS RESERVED FOR GREEN SPACE. AND I DON'THINK THAT WE SHOU JUST BECSE OF THE WAY THAT OUR LOT SIZES LOOK THAT WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, NOT DO THAT. SO LET'S CONTINUE TO FIND WAYS IN WHICH THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO BE LEADERS IN EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. THIS IS GOING TO BE HARD. IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT BUT I'M WILLING TO TO WORK TO MAKE THIS OPERATE AT WORK. BUT LET'S MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T FORGET ABOUT THOSE NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE TRUE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS. I THINK WE SHOULD INCLUDE THE YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE come BEFORE HERE AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE INCLUDED AS WE LOOK AT THAT STUDY FOR RS ONE. [01:45:50] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN. COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN [01:45:55] **Councilmember Danielle Robertson:** ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST BRIEFLY I'LL JUST ADD BECAUSE THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE I STAND ON THIS I WAS HAVING A CONVERSATION THE OTHER NIGHT WITH ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS. I'VE KNOWN HIM SINCE KINDERGARTEN. WE ALL GREW UP TOGETHER AND AND I WAS TALKING ABOUT PROJECTS AT THE HOUSE. I'M WORKING IN THE YARD AND THIS IS MY FAVORITE TIME OF YEAR AND AND HE JUST KIND OF GAVE ME THIS BLANK LOOK AND HE WAS SAYING LIKE THAT THAT MIGHT THAT MUST BE NICE BECAUSE IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN TO ME. I'M NEVEROING TO BE ABLE TO DO TT AND HE HE STARTED TALKING AND I JUST HEARD ECHOES OF SO MUCH OF WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE YOUNGER FOLKS IN MY DISTRICT OR FOLKS ALL OVER THE REGION THAT I GREW UP WITH THAT WE WERE TOLD GO TO COLLEGE, GET A JOB, BUY A HOUSE, SETTLE DOWN WHICH IS TRUE AND I BELIEVE IN ALL THAT. BUT THE COST OF COLLEGE HAS TRIPLED IN THE LAST 30 YEARS. YOU COME OUT WITH 40 GRAND IN STUDENT LOANS. GOOD LUCK ON A DOWN PAYMENT ON A HOME AT THAT POINT GET A JOB. WELL, WAGES HAVE BEEN STAGNANT SINCE THE SEVENTIES SO GOOD LUCK PAYING OFF THE LOANS YOU'VE ALREADY GOT MUCH LESS THE MORTGAGEN THE VALY ON MY HOME I'M EXTREMELY BLESSED. A LOT OF US ARE. IT'S A $160,000 IN SIX YEARS WHICH I GET PRETTY JAZZED UP ABOUT BUT HAS COMPLETELY LOCKED OUT SO MANY OF MY FRIENDS FROM EVER BEING ABLE TO PUT DOWN ROOTS THE WAY I DID BECAUSE I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO WORK MY FOLKS AND IT WAS MY GREAT AUNT'S HOUSE THAT I BOUGHT TO IT BEFORE THE MARKET WENT CRAZY. SO I JUST I APPRECIATE THAT THIS CONVERSATION IT HAS TURNED INTO A MESS IN SO MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT WE SEE I MEAN NEIGHBORS SCREAMING AT EACH OTHER IN COUNCIL MEETINGS GOING ALL TO HECK AND SO WITH WITH SUCH WAS SUCH A TOPIC THAT AS HAS BEEN NOTED IS SO CRITICAL TO THE FUTURE OF THE COMMUNITY. I SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD WITH OPTION A EVEN JUST TO SAY TO THIS WHOLE GENERATION OF FOLKS THAT ARE GOING TO BE THE FABRIC OF THIS CITY NOT TOO LONG FROM NOW TO SAY JUST HOLD OUT HOPE WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD A CITY HERE EVEN IF WE CAN'T DO IT COMPLETELY ON OUR OWN. WE'RE TRYING TO BUILD A CITY WHERE YOU CAN PUT DOWN ROOTS, WHERE YOU CAN OWN A HOME, WHERE YOU CAN THAT AMERICAN DREAM THAT THAT WE'VE BEEN TOLD OUR WHOLE LIVES AND I THINK IS ALSO A TESTAMENT TO THIS COUNCIL. IT'S TESTAMENT TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE COME TO COLLABORATE THAT MOVING FORWARD WITH STUFF TO COUNCILMEMBER LOEHMANN'S POINT LIKE THE ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS STUDIES COMING UP WITH WITH MORE SPECIFICATIONS TO BE ABLE TO STANDARDIZE SOME OF THESE CONVERSATIONS MOVING FORWARD. I THINK THAT'S TRAILBLAZING IN AND OF ITSELF TO SAY IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE ONE OR THE OTHER THIS CAN BE COMPREHENSIVE. SO THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY FOR HAVING THIS BE A PRODUCTIVE CONVERSATION. [01:49:10] **Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. YEAH, I TOO WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY. OBVIOUSLY WE'VE COME TO THE END OF A LONG ROAD AND IT'S NOT FOR LACK OF TRYING TO FIND CONSENSUS THAT THAT WE ARE WHERE WE ARE SO MUCH MUCH APPRECIATED TO THE FOLKS HERE AND ON THE PHONES AND IN THE EMAILS AND IN THE FACE TO FACE CONVERSATIONS. SO I'M PRETTY SURE YOU ALL HAVE THE VOTES THAT YOU NEED. I CAN'T SAY WITH CERTAINTY ON THAT I I'M NOT IN SUPPORT OF OPTION A AND HERE'S WHY AND IT HAS NOTHING DO WITH THE ETHOS OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE A COMBINATION OF ITEMS TO GET TRULY AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUILT. IT'S GOING TO TAKE MORE IN ALL PRICE POINTS. IT'S GOING TO TAKE SUBSIDIES. IT'S GOING TO TAKE CORPORATIONS STOPPING GOUGING PRICES FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN THEY THINK THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT. IT'S GOING TO TAKE YOU KNOW, THE THE CYCLICAL NATURE OF OF PEOPLE MOVING IN WAYS THAT ALLOW FOR, YOU KNOW, FOLKS TO MOVE OUT OF LARGE HOMES AND BACK INTO SMALLER PLACES AND THIS THAT AND THE OTHER THING AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE AN INCREASE IN THE TYPE OF OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE. SO SO IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF LEVERS. THIS THIS IS THE LEVER I'M JUST SURPRISED THAT THIS IS THE LEVER WE THINK WE SHOULD BE PULLING FIRST. THAT'S WHAT I KEEP STRUGGLING WITH. OPTION B WOULD HAVE UNANIMOUS CONSENT ON THIS BOARD. I'M PRETTY SURE OF IT. WHY WE WOULDN'T DO THAT AND THEN FIND OUR WAY TO MORE INCREMENTA WORK ON THIS I DON'T UNDERSTAND BECAUSE EVEN THE MET COUNCIL WILL TELL YOU THAT EVERY YEAR THIS GOES BACK TO 2021 EVERY YEAR WE'RE OUT ON BUILDING THE TRULY DEEPLY AFFORDABLE HOMES THAT NEED TO BE DONE. THE GAP IS NOT THERE. THE GAP IS WERE OKAY EVEN IN THEIR OWN WORDS AT THE 50% 60% AMI IN SOME CASES BUT WE ARE BEHIND BY 86% ON THE STUFF THAT'S DEEPLY AFFORBLE. I THIS CHANGE DOESN'T AFFECT THAT OUTCOME IN MY OPINION AT ALL ESPECIALLY WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE OPTIONS ON THE TABLE THAT WOULD AND WE CAN'T SEEM TO GET TRACTION ON THEM AND WE'RE NOT SPENDING ANY TIME DOING THE WORK TO TRY TO GET TRACTION ON THEM. WE COULD BUILD TWO FAMILY HOMES TODAY AND WE COULD HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR THREE YEARS WITHOUT TOUCHING THE ZONING CODE AT ALL AND WE'D HAVE THOSE TEN PEOPLE IN THEIR HOMES, WE'D HAVE 20 PEOPLE IN HOMES AND WE'RE NOT DOING IT. WE'RE JUST NOT. SO I STRUGGLE WITH THE IDEA THAT THIS IS THE THING THAT'S FINALLY GOING TO CHANGE IT ALL LIKE THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT WE ALREADY HAD AVAILABLE TO US THAT DIDN'T MOVE THE NEEDLE AND ALL WE'RE DOING IN THE MEANTIME REALLY SETTING A LOT OF FOLKS WHO WHO YOU TO USE THE TERMS THAT MR. BRIAN GAVE US BOUGHT INTO WHATEVER SOCIAL CONTRACT THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE BUYING INTO. WE'RE GIVING THEM A LOT OF FEAR AND UNCERTAINTY AND DOUBT BUT WE'RE NOT CHANGING AND I'M ALL FOR THAT. LIKE I GET IT. LIKE I HAVE TO MANAGE PEOPLE THROUGH CHANGE ALL THE TIME LIKE I'M THAT'S NOT THE POINT. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO MANAGE PEOPLE THROUGH THIS CHANGE BECAUSE DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE A CLEAR OUTCOME THAT'S WORTH THE CHANGE IN MY MIND OTHER THAN SETTING THE TABLE. I MEAN AND IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO FINE. BUT I THINK IF WE IF WE DID OPTION B FIRST AND TOOK THE FIVE YEAR VIEW AND THEN SAID THAT DIDN'T DO IT, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH, LET'S KEEP GOING. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A LOT MORE COMFORTABLE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE AND SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT AT THE MOMENT. BUT YOU KNO WHATEVERT TAKES I, I WILL BE HAPPY IF THOSE TEN PEOPLE GET THEIR HOUSES EITHER WAY. THANKS. [01:53:30] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER HOUSE MEMBER NELSON [01:53:35] **Councilmember Shawn Nelson:** THANK YOU MAYOR. APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S TIME ON THIS ISSUE AND PARTICULARLY TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE FROM NORMAN RIDGE WHO HAVE TAKEN TIME NOT ONLY IN THESE MEETINGS BUT PERSONALLY TO TALK THROUGH IT THIS ISSUE AND HOW IT MIGHT IMPACT THEM. AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OTHER PEOPLE SO I'LL JUST TELL YOU WHAT I HEARD FROM FROM THOSE MTINGS WAS A SINCERE CONCERN ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT AND I THINK THAT'S SHARED BY THIS ENTIRE COUNCIL AND FRANKLY BY THE VAST, VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN BLOOMINGTON. AND SO TO COUNCILMEMBER LOEHMANN'S POINT, WE CAN'T DROP THAT BALL IN MY OPINION EITHER AND ALSO SOME OTHER CONCERNS WITH RELATED TO RENTAL POLICY AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK END OF THE DAY THE CHANGE IN THE ZONING ON THE LOT SIZES led TO CONCERNS ABOUT THESE OTHER THINGS. IT WAS SORT OF AN IMPETUS TO START THAT THOUGHT PROCESS. SO I THINK WE HAVE A THE PORTUNITY TO B HOLISTIC IN THE AREAS. YOU KNOW AS NOTED BEFORE THEIR AREA THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS HAS BENEFITED FROM SPLITTING LOTS. THEY HAVE A LOT OF GREAT NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE, YOU KNOW, BEAUTIFUL HOUSES IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. SO IT'S BEEN AN AREA THAT BEEN HAS BENEFITED FROM BEING ABLE TO SPLIT LOTS. AND I LOOK AT WHAT THIS MIGHT DO THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY WHERE THERE'S MAYBE A FEW MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THAT AND SO IT MIGHT BE ANOTHER GREAT NEIGHBOR, YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO TAKE AND TRANSFORM ENTIRE CITY BLOCKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S GOING TO MAYBE GET ONE MORE IN ON ALOCK OR SOMETHG LIKE THA AND SO YOU HAVE ANOTHER GOOD NEIGHBOR IN TERMS OF , YOU KNOW, TAKING DOWN TO BUILD TO, YOU KNOW, THE LOW HANGING FRUIT. THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE THE MOST ECONOMICALLY DEPRESSED AND I'M HARD PRESSED TO SEE IT AS A NEGATIVE TO TAKE OUT A DILAPIDATED, POORLY MAINTAINED HOUSE THAT'S AN EYESORE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AND BUILD A NICE HOUSE OR MAYBE BUILD TWO NICE HOUSES. AND THE ECONOMICS OF IT ARE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO A BANK AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO JUSTIFY THOSE HOUSES TO AN UNDERWRITER IN ORDER TO GET THEM FINANCED. AND SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT FITS WITHIN THE RANGE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. IT BE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS EXPENSIVE THAN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH I THINK IS A CONCERN THAT'S BEEN RAISED HOW DO WE GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING WHEN WE MAYBE AREN'T ABLE TO GET THERE? AND THE ANSWER TO THAT IS OBVIOUSLY SUBSIDY BUT WE'RE ALSO NOT GOING TO GET HOUSES THAT ARE TREMENDOUSLY OUTSIDE OF WHAT THAT EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD IS. THE REAN IN MY ONION FROM WHAT'VE SEEN IN MINNEAPOLIS OF MINNEAPOLIS AND EDINA THAT THE REASON HAVE TEAR DOWNS IS BASIC SUPPLY DEMAND. I MEAN PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE THERE AND THEY'RE NOT MAKING ANY MORE LAND SO KNOW IF YOU WANT TO LIVE ON ON A LAKE OR NEAR LAKE YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO PAY FOR IT AND THE PEOPLE WITH THE MONEY THAT CAN DO THAT, THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD NICE HOUSES AND THAT YOU KNOW, FRANKLY HAS HAPPENED AND WILL HAPPEN IN BLOOMINGTON IN SOME PLACES. BUT THIS DOES SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT IT DOES INCREASE OPPORTUNITS FOR HOMEOWNERSP. IT DOES CREAT OPPORTUNITIES FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF PRODUCTS TO MEET DIFFERENT NEEDS, WHETHER IT BE, YOU KNOW, YOUNGER FAMILIES TRYING TO FIND THAT FIRST HOUSE. I'VE MADE A POINT OF SAYING THIS THE COUPLE OF TIMES I WOULD NOT BE I MAY NOT BE IN BLOOMINGTON IF. IT WASN'T FOR THE FIRST HOUSE I COULD BUY A RAMBLER AND THAT HOUSE CAN'T BE BUILT IN BLOOMINGTON TODAY NOT BECAUSE OF THE LOTS. I FRANKLY I'LL BE CANDID ABOUT THAT BUT IT COULD NOT BE BUILT THEN BUT WE COULD TAKE AND FIND WAYS TO BUILD THAT HOUSE TO GIVE NEW FAMILIES OPPORTUNITIES IF WE COULD CREATE A FEW MORE LOTS AND THAT SUBDIVISION THAT'S WHY IN MY MIND THAT SUBDIVISION PORTION OF IT IS GOOD BECAUSE IT WILL BRING IN GOOD FAMILIES. IT ALSO GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY FOR MANY OF OUR SENIORS ARE LOOKING FOR OPTIONS TO MOVE INTO A YOU KNOW A PLACE THAT THEY CAN AGE IN PLACE AND STAY THERE. AND SO CREATING THOSE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITY IS WE TALKED ABOUT MR. JOHNSON NOTED THE SLOWER GROWTH. ONE OF THE THINGS I HEAR A LOT OF IS YOU KNOW, MY TAXES KEEP GOING UP EVERY YEAR AND YES, WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT LEVY INCREASE LAST DUE TO INVESTMENTS IN POLICE AND FIRE BUT WE HAVE THIS COUNCIL FOR YEARS THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN HERE BUT THE CITY HAS FRANKLY HELD THE LINE ON TAXES WHAT'S DRIVING UP PEOPLE'S TAXES IS THE INCREASE IN PROPERTY VALUES. YOU KNOW, COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN MAY BE REALLY HAPPY ABOUT $160,000 INCREASE BUT I'M SURE THAT'S AT THE POCKETBOOK EVERY YEAR ON TAXES IT HAS ON MY HOUSE AND IT HAS ON A LOT OF PEOPLE'S HOUSES. THIS WILL NOT SOLVE THIS TEN HOUSES A YEAR IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE THIS BUT THIS DONE REGIONALLY STATEWIDE CAN THIS IS EXTRAORDINARILY IMPORTANT AND TO TAKE A LEADERSHIP ROLE ON THA TO HP SHOW WOOURY AND LAKEVILLE AND MAPLE GROVE THAT THEY DON'T NEED TO BE AFRAID OF THIS THAT THAT THIS CAN BE DONE AND IT CAN BE DONE IN A THRIVING VIBRANT COMMUNITY. IS A MESSAGE WE CAN SEND OUT THERE BECAUSE WE NEED TO YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO DO THIS IN THE ENTIRE REGION AND. YOU KNOW, SOMEONE HAS TO START IT AND A LOT OF THESE THINGS START SOMEWHERE AND THEN FINALLY THE LEGISLATURE GETS AROUND TO CATCHING UP WITH WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING. AND I WILL SAY THAT THE REALITY IS IS WE'RE NOT WE'RE IN THE REGION BUT NOT NECESSARILY NATIONALLY. THIS IS BEING DONE NATIONALLY L OVER THE PLACE,OU KNOW, IN A LOT OF A VARIETY OF STATES MONTANA IS DOING IT AS IS COLORADO, YOU KNOW I MEAN YOU'VE GOT REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRAT. THIS IS ACROSS THE BORDER. PEOPLE ARE RECOGNIZING THAT ZONING REFORM IS A SIGNIFICANT FACTOR OR SIGNIFICANT DETERRENT TO BUILDING HOUSING THAT PEOPLE NEED AT WHATEVER PRICE POINT. I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE AND MATT COLEMAN HAD TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS ZONING IS A TOOL OF EXCLUSION AND WHAT WE ARE DOING IS OPENING UP OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE EXCLUDIN FEWER PEOPLE A I FOR 1 A.M. NOT REALLY BIG FAN OF EXCLUDING PEOPLE AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN IGNORE THE HISTORY OF THIS. I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING IN TERMS OF THE DISCUSSION OF OF PEOPLE'S CONCERNS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. BUT THIS IS A TOOL THAT HAS FOR DECADES IT'S BEEN USED TO LOCK CERTAIN PEOPLE OF COMMUNITIES AND FRANKLY WHETHER INTENTIONAL OR NOT OBVIOUSLY SOMETIMES INTENTIONAL, OFTEN SOMETIMES NOT IT HAS HAD THAT IMPACT REGARDLESS OF THE INTENTION. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I THINK BEING AS PERMISSIVE AS WE POSSIBLY CAN MAKE SENSE WE SO I SUPPORT OPTION A I SUPPORT WORKING WITH THE NORMAN RIDGE NEIGHBORHOOD ON THEIR CONCERNS AND LOOKING COMPREHENSIVELY AT THE ENVIRONMENT RENT OR OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL AS THE ROS1. WHETR OR N THO LOCATIONS MAKE SENSE FOR THIS SO THAT'S WHY SOMETHING [02:01:25] **Mayor Tim Busse:** COUNCILMEMBER NELSON COUNCILMEMBER [02:01:28] **Councilmember Victor Rivas:** THANK YOU AND THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR HAVING THIS CONVERSATION WITH US. YOU CAN CHECK MY RIBS BECAUSE MY WIFE HAS BEEN ELBOW ELBOWING ELBOWING ME AT NIGHT . THIS HAS KEPT ME UP AT NIGHT. IT'S NOT EASY DECISION. IF IT WAS THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN DECIDED BACK IN JANUARY BEFORE I WAS ON COUNCIL SOMETIMES I WISH IT WAS BUT IT ISN'T AN EASY DECISION VERY DIFFICULT AND HAS A lot OF EMOTION AND FEELING BEHIND IT. BUT WHEN I TAKE A BROAD LOOK AT IT THIS COUNTRY, THE STATE THIS CITY HAS NOT DONE ENOUGH TO PROVIDE HOUSING WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE. THERE'S LAND EVERYWHERE YOU GO TO OUTSTATE THERE'S LAND TO BUILD A HOUSE BUT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO LIVE THERE. THEY WANT TO LIVE HERE AND SO TO TAKE A STEP FORWA TO HELP PROVE THAT T GIVE PROPERTY OWNERS THEIR RIGHTS TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR PROPERTY THAT THEY WORKED HARD THEIR WHOLE LIFE FOR TO CASH IN AND RETIRE AND DO SOME OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS GOING TO HELP US DO. AND AT THIS POINT WITH WHERE WE'RE AT WITH HOUSING, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S AFFORDABLE OR NOT. ANY HOUSING IS GOOD HOUSING TEN PEOPLE WILL GET THEIR HOUSES AND MORE THAN THAT IF I LOOK AT MY FAMILY I WANT TO MOVE TO A NEWER HOUSE, HAVE W NEW KID MY house IS SMALL. MY 72 RAMBLER IS TOO SMALL FOR US AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE HOUSING STOCK IN BLOOMINGTON, WE'RE VERY TO MOVE BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE HOUSING STOCK THAT SUPPORTS THE TYPE OF LIFESTYLE THAT WE WANT TO LIVE WITH THE KIDS THAT WE HAVE. AND SO AT THIS POINT ANY HOUSING IS GOOD HOUSING TO ME IT HELPS RESIDENTS WHETHER IT'S SMALL A SMALL AMOUNT OR BUT IT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THAT'S WHAT I AM OF OPTION. [02:03:30] **Councilmember Jenna Carter:** THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO OBVIOUSLY I CAN COUNT NOSES AND SEE THAT THE SEEMS LIKE THERE'S THE VOTES TO PASS THIS . YOU KNOW MY POSITION HAS NOT REALLY CHANGED MUCH. I, I FEEL MOST COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH OPTION B I FEEL LIKE IN THAT PROPOSAL THERE WERE SIGNIFICANT COST SAVINGS BASED ON THE CHANGES AND THEN I MEAN I THINK COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO PUT IT VERY NICELY I THINK THAT THERE IS SO MUCH OPPORTUNITY IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN LEVERAGING AND I DON'T THINK THAT THIS CHANGE IS ACTUALLY GOING TO DO VERY MUCH FOR AFFORDABILITY AND IF ANYTHING I THINK IT'S GOING TO INCREASE THE COSTS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT OF LAND AND WHAT LAND COULD BE SOLD AT LIKE WITH A MID-CENTURY VERSUS SPLIT INTO TWO AND THEN HOUSES BUILT ON THEM AND RESOLD LIKE THE COST OF LAND PER SQUARE FOOT INCREASES RIGHT AND SO I JUST I HAVE SOME GOING INTO THESE CONVERSATIONS. MY PRIMARY GOAL PERSONALLY WAS TO MAKE SUR THAT WE'RE DNG THINGS TO INCREASE ACCESS LIKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE AND I'M JUST NOT CONVINCED THAT OPTION EIGHT GETS US THERE. AND IF YOU TALK TO ANYBODY ACROSS BLOOMINGTON EAST WEST LOW INCOME, HIGH INCOME BLACK, WHITE IF YOU ASK THEM WHAT THEIR FAVORITES ARE THE BEST PART ABOUT LIVING IN BLOOMINGTON IS THEY TELL YOU IT'S THE GREENSPACE THE PARKS, THE BIG LOTS. PEOPLE MOVE TO BLOOMINGTON EVEN IF THEY'RE IN APARTMENTS ,RIGHT? LIKE THEY JUST LIKE HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE AND SO I JUST THINK THAT I'M JUST I'M NOT THERE WITH A AND SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE VOTING IN SUPPORT A I ABSOLUTELY AM SUPPORTIVE WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH LOOKING AT MORE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION THINGS THAT WE CAN PUT INTO OUR RESIDENTIAL ZONES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT. I ALSO THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A MUCH STRONGER LOOK AT THE COMMERCIAL AREAS TOO, RIGHT? WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT IN THE PAST TOO. AND SO I WON'T GO I WON'T GO ON AND ON BECAUSE. I FEEL LIKE WE'VE I THINK WE'VE HAD ENOUGH CONVERSATION AND WE C SEE WHERE THING ARE FALLING SO SO I'LL WRAP IT UP THERE. [02:05:40] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND YOUR THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION ON THIS OVER THE PAST FIVE MONTHS HOWEVER LONG WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS COUNCIL, WE'VE GOT A MOTION ON THE TABLE FOR OPTION A WHICH IS TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTERS 1921 AND 22 OF THE CITY CODE MODIFYING REQUIREMENTS FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND DWELLINGS RELATED TO DEFINITIONS LOT SIZE A WIDTH APPROVAL OCESSES SETBACK REQUIREMENTS PARKING GARAGE REQUIREMENTS PLANNING AND OTHER RELATED STANDARDS. NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSED NO NAY MOTION CARRIES FIVE TWO WITH ALESSANDRA AND CARTER VOTING NO [02:06:30] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** I BELIEVE YOU MADE THE MOTION AND WE NEED MOTION NOW FOR SUMMARY PUBLICATION. YEAH WE NEED FIVE ON THIS ONE HERE TO HEAR IN THIS CASE THEY MOVE TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING SMARY PUBLICATION OF NGLE AND T FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ORDINANCE SINCE [02:06:45] **Councilmember Victor Rivas:** SECOND [02:06:46] **Mayor Tim Busse:** MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER FOR SUMMARY PUBLICATION NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO AND WE NEED A MOTION REGARDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN [02:07:05] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** WHERE I MOVE IN THIS CASE TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TEXT AMENDMENT MODIFYING THE DESCRIPTION AND DENSITY RANGES OF THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL MEDIUM DSITY RESIDENTIAL GUIDE PLAN DESIGNATIONS [02:07:20] **Councilmember Victor Rivas:** SECOND [02:07:21] **Mayor Tim Busse:** MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN AND SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER REGARDING THE RESOLUTION REGARDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TEXT AMENDMENTS NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSED THE MOTION CARRIES SIX ONE WITH COUNCILMAN AND COUNCILMEMBER CARTER VOTING IN AND WE ALSO HAVE BEEN ASKED BY STAFF AND I THINK I HEARD PRETTY CLOSE TO UNANIMITY AMONG THE COUNCIL TO DIRECT STAFF TO DRAFT POTENTIAL FUTURE CODE AMENDMENTS ON ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS AND ON THE IRIS ONE DISTRICT KNOWING THAT THE PLANNING STAFF ALREADY HAS THEIR 2023 WORK PLAN IN PLACE, I THINK I WOULD PUSH THIS OFF UNTIL 2024 WORK PLAN SCHEDULE AND HAVE THEM PUT THAT INTO THAT WORK PLAN THEN BECAUSE I WOULD HATE TO TAKE THEM OFF OF THEIR GAME BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK GOING ON AND A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT COULD AFFECT US IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS. COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN AND COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO [02:08:30] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN SO MAYOR YOU KNOW, WITH THAT BEING SAID AND I KNOW WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS STUFF. YOU KNOW WHAT WE JUST PASSED TONIGHT WHEN EXACTLY GOES INTO INTO EFFECT. BUT I WONDER IF IT MAKES SOME SENSE TOO BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL PIECE MIGHT TAKE A MUCH LONGER PERIOD OF TIME BUT THAT RS ONE DISCUSSION THAT MAY HAVE MORE OF AN IMPACT ON THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND I WONDER IF IT MAKES SOME SENSE TO TO MOVE THAT PART OF THE DISCUSSION EVEN IF IT'S PRELIMINARY PARTS OF IT UP INTO THIS YEAR IF POSSIBLE. [02:09:10] **Mayor Tim Busse:** ON AS I SAID MY MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO ASK THEM TO TAKE THIS ON IN 2024 IS TO NOT DISRUPT THEIR 2023 WORK PLAN. SO THAT'S MY THOUGHT ON IT. APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT COUNCILMEMBER. COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO [02:09:25] **Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** YEAH, I'M IN THE SAME BURAS. COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS WHAT WOULD BE PUT OFF IN THE 2023 WORK PLAN TO TO MAKE ROOM FOR THIS. THEY DIDN'T BRING THAT INFORMATION TO THE TABLE TONIGHT SO I DON'T CONFIDENT I CAN MAKE A DECISION BUT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER FOR ME IS IMPORTANT. I I WAS HOPING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TT INFORMATION AS IT IS AND WE DON'T. SO THE SOONER WE CAN GET IT THAT WOULD BE PREFERABLE, YOU KNOW [02:09:55] **Mayor Tim Busse:** OTHER COUNCIL THOUGHTS ON THIS. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON [02:09:58] **Councilmember Shawn Nelson:** THANKS MAYOR. I JUST LIKE TO HAVE A THIRD TO THAT. IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT MIGHT GET MOVED BEFORE FINALIZING THAT DECISION. [02:10:05] **Mayor Tim Busse:** ALL RIGHT. SO MAYBE WE MAYBE WE HOLD OFF ON THE THE DIRECTION TO STAFF ON THIS. WE GET SOMETHING BACK. I JUST SEE A MESSAGE HERE FROM MR. OVERBOK SOMETHING BAC IN JE AS TO WHAT THE OPTIONS WOULD BE, WHAT WOULD FALL OFF THE WORK PLAN AND WHAT WOULD WOULD BE REPLACED IF THIS WAS THE CASE. SO IF EVERYBODY'S COMFORTABLE HOLDING OFF THIS DECISION UNTIL WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION UNTIL JUNE. [02:10:30] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** MR. MAYOR, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT LIKE EARLY JUNE OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT JULY ESSENTIALLY? [02:10:35] **Mayor Tim Busse:** OH, WE'RE TALKING JUNE COUNCIL MEMBER I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHEN AGAIN LIKE A LOT ON OUR PLATE SOMETIME BETWEEN NOW AND SAY I DON'T KNOW JUNE 21ST SO IT MIGHT BE AN ISSUE I DON'T KNOW [02:10:50] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** COUNCIL MEMBER ALONE YEAH I D'T WANT TO BABOR THE POINT IOULD PREFER TO SEE IT THAT FIRST MEETING IN JUNE AND I THINK WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A YOU KNOW, A A WORK PLAN FOR PLANNING TO BRING THAT FORWARD SO. WE CAN HAVE A LOOK AT THAT AND SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE THAT WE COULD YOU KNOW, MAYBE MAYBE OUT SO WE COULD GET THIS IN THERE SO THAT THAT BE THE NOTE THAT I JUST IS PROBABLY THE FIFTH SO EARLIER IN JUNE. [02:11:15] **Mayor Tim Busse:** ALL RIGHT. AWESOME. YES. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'RE COMFORTABLE HOLDING OFF THAT DECISION UNTIL JUNE NE 5TH. ALL RHT. STAFF, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO FINALIZE HERE BEFORE WE AS WE MOVE FORWARD? VERY GOOD. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON [02:11:35] **Councilmember Shawn Nelson:** THANK YOU MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO JUST VERIFY FOR MY OWN SELF THIS IS BOTH THE ENVIRONMENTAL PIECE AND THIS ONE. IT'S BOTH ITEMS RIGHT? [02:11:45] **Nick Johnson:** GOOD. BUSSEY COUNCILOR NELSON THEY CERTAINLY CAN BE SPLIT IN TERMS OF THE TIMING AND SOME OF THAT PERHAPS THAT'S PART OF THE DISCUSSION IN JUNE IF YOU TNK OF THE CAPACITY IT TAKES IT'S YOU KW, A THIRD OR A HALF THE CAPACITY FOR ONE VERSUS THE OTHER ONE PROBABLY INVOLVES MORE ANALYSIS THAN THE OTHER POTENTIALLY. BUT THE OTHER POINT I WAS GOING TO MAKE IT ELUDED ME SO NEVER MIND. OKAY I'M NOT THERE REMINDING OH I FORGOT I REMEMBERED SORRY BUT SEE IF I THINK THAT AGAIN THIS IS KIND OF SIMILAR TO THE FIRST DISCUSSION AROUND THE STRAW POLL OR HEAD COUNTING BUT I THINK WHAT WE WERE WHAT I WAS DIRECTED BY THE CITY ATTORNEYS THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GET A FORMAL DIRECTING STAFF TO WORK ON THOSE THINGS BUT MAYBE TT CAN BE DELED UNTIL JUNE 5TH. [02:12:35] **Mayor Tim Busse:** I DON'T KNOW. I THINK IT MAKES WORK MAKE SENSE TO HOLD OFF THE MOTION UNTIL WE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING WHAT WE'RE MAKING THE MOTION ON AND THEN THINK AND AMEND THE WORK PLAN PERHAPS CORRECT SO WE'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AGAIN YOU COUNSEL FOR THE DISCUSSION ON THIS. THANKS FOR THE WORK THAT WENT INTO IT. STAFF THANK YOU. I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD AND THANK YOU ALL FOR AS I SAID, YOUR THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION THE RESPECTFUL DISAGREEMENTS AND ARGUMENTS THAT WE HAD AND YOU BRING INFORMATION FORWARD. IT'S APPRECIATED AND. IT'S IT'S THE WAY IT WORKS SOMETIMES IS THAT THE DECISIONS THAT YOU HOPE ARE GOING TO BE MADE ARE NOT MADE . AND BUT AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION AND THE WAY THAT YOU BROUGHT EVERYTHING FORWARD. IT'S GREATLY APPRECIATED. THANKS MUCH. WE WILL MOVE ON IN OUR AGENDA ITEM 4.4 WHICH IS OUR FOURTH AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING IN THIS REGARDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT INESPONSE T A 2022 SYSM ATEMENT IUED BY THE METROPOLITAN AND WE HAVE WITH US THIS EVENING MR. RAMBLER OLSEN FROM OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT. GOOD EVENING. WELCOME. [02:13:55] **Raymond Olsen (Planning):** YOU MAYOR HERE'S EVERYONE GOING OVER THE GREAT MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU TONIGHT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT THAT WAS CRAFTED TO RESPOND TO A 2022 SYSTEM STATEMENT ISSUED BY THE METROPOLITAN COUNCIL LAST SEPTEMBER. SO STATED DIFFERENTLY IT'S JUST TO INCORPORATE REVISIONS NOTED IN A 2022 SYSTEM STATEMENT AGAIN ISSUED BY COUNCIL. THOSE REVISIONS ARE CONCENTRATED IN SECTIONS FOUR AND SEVEN OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THE TRANSPORTATION AND COMMUNITY FACILITIES RESPECTIVELY. UM A LITTLE BIT OF THE BACKGROUND UM WE DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS BUT THE SYSTEM STATEMENT AH THE SYSTEM PLAN BASICALLY DEALS WITH A UM AN AREA OF FOCUS SUCH AS LAND USE TRANSPORTATION SEWER WATER INFRASTRUCTURE. AND THOSE ARE LONG RANGE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS. UM, SYSTEM STATEMENT IT'S SPECIFIC TO EACH COMMUNITY WITHIN THE METROPOLITAN AREA SUMMARIZES CHANGES FROM SYSTEM PLAN UPDATES THE THE TWO THAT ARE THAT ARE THE IMPETUS FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT ARE THE PROPOSAL PROPOSED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT THOSE WERE COMPLETED IN 2020. AND THO SYSTEM STEMENTS WERE ISSD IN JUST LAST YEAR AND THE SYSTEM STATEMENTS ARE PREPARED BY MANY COUNCIL TO HELP METRO AREA COMMUNITIES UNDERSTAND THE UPDATES THE SYSTEM PLANS AND AS THEY'RE STATUTORILY OBLIGATED TO REVISE THEIR COMPLAINT OR TO REVIEW AND SEE IF THERE ARE ANY REVISIONS NECESSARY AND STAFF OF COURSE IDENTIFIED REVISIONS OR AND THAT FORMS THE BASIS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENTS THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. AND I SUPPOSE IT'S IT'S GOOD TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS IS DISTINCT FROM THE DECENNIAL COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS THAT WAS ADOPTED JUST RENTLY. THIS IS ONLY LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE NOTED IN THE SYSTEM STATEMENT. SO WE'RE NOT GOING OUT OF OUR WAY OF LOOKING AT OTHER ISSUES THAT ARE THAT NONETHELESS I MEAN THEY MAY BE OUT OF DATE BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN THE COUNCIL A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS ADOPTED. SO WE'RE JUST FOCUSING SPECIFICALLY ON THOSE ISSUES THAT WERE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE SYSTEM STATEMENT. THIS IS THE TIMELINE BRIEFLY SUMMARIZED THOSE SYSTEM PLANS WERE ADOPTED IN 2015. AS I SAID, 2020 THEY WERE UPDATED THE TRANSPORTATION AND COMMUNITY FACILITIES UM WE RECEIVED OUR OUR SYSTEM STATEMENT LAST YEAR AND WE HAVE NINE MONTHS TO REVIEW AND REVISE O COMPREHENSIVE PN AND THAT PUTS US AT THE END OF JUNE. SO IT HAS TO BE APPROVED AND THEN SUBMITTED TO THE COUNCIL FOR REVIEW. UM, A SUMMARY OF THE UPDATES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED BY STAFF IS JUST CHANGING THE PROJECT STATUS OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT WERE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE IN THE THE SYSTEM STATEMENTS MAINLY CONCENTRATED WITHIN THE TRANSPORTATION POLICY PLAN. WE ALSO DID SOME MAP UPDATES TO REFLECT THE LATES SYSTEM STATEMEN AND TO BRING THEM UP TO DATE WITH MET COUNCIL SYSTEM MAPS. WE UPDATED SOME FOR FUNDING SCENARIOS FOR SPECIFIC TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS. WE CAN GET INTO DETAIL ON THAT IF YOU IF YOU PREFER BUT NONETHELESS THIS IS JUST TO REFLECT WHAT'S IN THE SYSTEM WITH WHAT'S IN THE SYSTEM STATEMENT AND THOSE SYSTEM PLANS. WE ALSO DID SOME MINOR UPDATES TO FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION OF SPECIFIC ROAD SEGMENTS THAT ARE PUBLIC WORKS HIGHLIGHTED THOSE WERE UPDATES TO SECTION FOUR FOR SECTION SEVEN IT'S MAINLY CONCENTRATED ON ONE PARTICULAR MAP. SO WE JUST ADDED A NEW PER THE REQUEST OF THE THREE RIVERS PARK DISTRICT. SO WE ADDED CP REGIONAL TRAIL ON THE WEST SIDE THE CITY GOING ALONG THE THE WEST SIDE OF HIGHLAND. THERE WERE SOME OTHER CORRIDORS THAT WERE UPDATED. IT'S JUST TO BRING OUR MAP UP TOATE WITH WT THE MET COUNCIL HAS AND WHAT THE THREE RIVERS PARK DISTRICT HAS HAS ADOPTED. WE SENT OUT A FORM TO ADJACENT JURISDICTIONS TO WELL AFFECTED JURISDICTIONS. SORRY I SHOULD SAY THAT THOSE HAD TO INVITE COMMENTARY ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. THOSE JURISDICTIONS INCLUDE CITIES, SCHOOL DISTRICTS, REGIONAL STATE AGENCIES, WATERSHED DISTRICTS. WE'VE ONLY RECEIVED SEVEN RESPONSES. I BELIEVE THEY HAVE UNTIL TOMORROW ACTUALLY. SO MARCH MAY 23RD TO SEND IN RESPONSES. SO WE'VE ONLY RECEIVED SEVEN AND TWO OF THOSE SEVEN RESPONSES WERE FROM RILEY PURGATORY BLUFF CREEK WATERSHED DISTRICT BASICALLY LETTING KNOW THAT YOU WHATEVER HOWEVER THESE SYSTEM ARE OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BUTTS UP AGAINST THEIR THEIR POLICIES AND GOALS AND PLANS. THEYL NEED T REVW ANYTHING THAT IS DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. AND THEN THERE WAS SOME COMMENTS SUBMITTED BY THREE RIVERS PARK DISTRICT JUST ASKING US TO UPDATE SOME MAPS ACCORDING TO SOME OF THE PLANS THAT THEY'VE ADOPTED SINCE THE ADOPTION, THE BLOOMINGTON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. OTHERWISE WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS EITHER REGARDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. JUST TO BRIEFLY UPDATE WHAT HAPPENED ON APRIL 27TH, THEY'RE PLANNING A PUBLIC HEARING AT THAT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. THERE WAS UNANIMOUS SUPPORT. THERE WERE TWO ABSENCES BUT NONETHELESS WAS A UNANIMOUS UNANIMOUS SUPPORT FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE AMENDMENT. THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THIS WAS ALSO UNANIMOUS THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING AMENDMENT PROCESS AND AS AS IT SPECIFICALLY IS USED TO TO THE SYSTEM STATEMENTS ISSUED BY MET COUNCIL. I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THAT MEETING AND GOT A GRASP WHAT THE UM THE TUST OF THEIR CONCERNS WERE UM HOWEVER WE UM AND DID WE WE FAILED TO REMIND THEM THAT THIS IS A STATUTORY OBLIGATION WE NEED TO REVIEW OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN LIGHT OF THE SYSTEM STATEMENT. SO WE WE HAVE TO DO THIS DESPITE MISGIVINGS ABOUT THE PROCESS AND THE SECTION REFERENCES THERE FOR YOUR VIEW. SO THIS IS THE RECOMMENDATION PUT FORTH BY STAFF. WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLA ENDMENTS AND TT'S I HAVE OTHERWISE I'M HERE TO TAKE QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY. [02:20:40] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU, MR. RAYMOND OLSEN. QUESTIONS FROM STAFF OR FROM COUNSEL TO STAFF YOU EXPLAINED IT PERFECTLY WELL DONE. WELL DONE. IF THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM 4.4 REGARDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT IRESPONSE TO THE 2022 SYSTEM STATEMENT ISSUED BY METROPOLITAN COUNCIL . ANYONE IN THE CHAMBER IS WISHING TO SPEAK DINE IN 4.4 THIS EVENING. MR. BULLOCK DO WE HAVE ANYONE ON THE PHONE? [02:21:10] **Staff:** MAYOR WE HAVE NO ONE ON THE PHONE. [02:21:12] **Mayor Tim Busse:** LAST CALL FOR ANYBODY IN THE CHAMBERS SEEING NO ONE COMING FORWARD COUNCIL NO ONE ON THE PHONE TO SPEAK TO THEM. 4.4 I LOOK FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING [02:21:25] **Councilmember Danielle Robertson:** SO A SECOND [02:21:27] **Mayor Tim Busse:** MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN T CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN 4.4 NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES OF SEVEN ZERO. COUNCIL ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ? QUESTIONS. COMMENTS CONCERNS IF NOT COUNCIL I WITH CORRECTION I IN 4.4 [02:21:55] **Councilmember Danielle Robertson:** MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN THANK YOU I WILL MOVE THAT WE ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TEXT AMENDMENT TO REVISE THE TRANSPORTATION AND COMMUNITY FACILITIES ELEMENTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE 22 SYSTEM STATEMENT ISSUED BY THE METROPOLITAN COUNCIL. [02:22:15] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** SECOND [02:22:17] **Mayor Tim Busse:** MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION APPROVING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TEXT AMENDMENTS AS STATED . NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY SAYING I I OPPOSE THE MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO. THANK YOU MUCH. THANK YOU. WE WILL MOVE INTO ITEM FIVE ON OUR AGENDA OUR ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESS AND THE FIRST ITEM IS ITEM 5.1. IT'S THE CONSIDERATION OF A SOLID WASTE RATE. THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT AND ACTUALLY REQUESTED A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT TIMES SO I'M VERY GLAD TO SEE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING THIS HERE WE HAVE A LAW OF HONOR HERE OUR SOLID WASTE PROGRAM COORDINATOR AND THE CHAIR OF OUR SUSTAINABLE RE COMMISSION DEANNA WHITE. WELCOME. GOOD EVENING AND OFF WE GO [02:23:10] **Deanna White (Sustainability Commission Chair):** THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU MAYOR THANK YOU COUNCIL FOR INVITING US HERE TONIGHT AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT OF OUR WASTE EFFORTS FROM THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION AND FOR THE REST OF THE CITY AS WAS STATED MY NAME IS DEANNA. I'M THE CURRENT CHAIR OF THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION HERE IN BLOOMINGTON AS WELL AS BEG A BLOOMINGT RESIDENT OF COURSE. AND WE JUST WANT TO TAKE A MINUTE TO DISCUSS A FEW MINUTES TO DISCUSS WITH YOU A POTENTIAL SOLID WASTE RATE STUDY. WE KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST IN EXPLORING HOW SOLID WASTE RATES COULD BE CONFIGURED TO INCENTIVIZE WASTE DIVERSION AND REDUCE RATES FOR RESIDENTS WHO MAY BE GENERATING SMALLER AMOUNTS OF WASTE. THIS INTEREST IS SHARED BY THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION AS WELL AND CONDUCTING AND ASSISTING WITH THE STUDY OF OUR GARBAGE AND RECYCLING RATES IS PART OF THE COMMISSION'S WORK PLAN THE YEAR THE COMMISSION SOLID WASTE WORKING GROUP AND I'M A MEMBER OF THAT WORKING GROUP AS WELL AS BEING CHAIR HAS CONVENED A NUMBER OF RECENTLY WITH SOLID WASTE STAFF TO REVIEW SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR TONIGHT. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY PART OF AN ONGOING EFFORT TO ADDRESSED WASTE REDUCTION IN THE CITY AND SO BECAUSE THE DETAILS ARE BEST LEFT TO THE HANDS OF THE I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO LAURA HORNER, OUR SOLID PROGRAM COORDINATOR TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE DETAILS. THANKS. [02:24:45] **Laura Horner (Solid Waste Coordinator):** GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS MY NAME IS LAURA HORNER, THE SOLID WTE PROGRAM COOINATOR HERE FOR OOMINGTON. SO AS WHITE SHARED, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT TO RECEIVE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL REGARDING CONDUCTING A SOLID WASTE RATE STUDY. WE'VE HEARD COUNCIL MEMBERS INTERESTED IN EXPLORING OUR SOLID WASTE TO ACCOMPLISH A COUPLE DIFFERENT GOALS. SO ONE OF THOSE GOALS IS TO UTILIZE OUR SOLID WASTE RATES TO HELP CREATE AN INCENTIVE FOR WASTE THROUGH GREATER USE OF OUR EXISTING RECYCLING PROGRAM AND OUR NEW ORGANICS RECYCLING PROGRAM AS WELL AS CREATE MORE OPPTUNITIES FOR WASTE PRENTION ANDHIS WOULD BE JUST THROUGH GENERATING LAST WASTE IN THE FIRST PLACE OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS WE HAVE ADDED ADDITIONAL WASTE DIVERSION SERVICES HERE IN BLOOMINGTON LIKE ORGANICS RECYCLING FOR RESIDENTS REDUCE THEIR GARBAGE SO WITH A MORE COMPREHENSIVE PROGRAM IN PLACE IT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO LOOK AT HOW OUR MIGHT HELP INCENTIVIZE RESIDENTS TO UTILIZE SERVICES TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF GARBAGE THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN THEIR GARBAGE CARTS . SO THE SECOND MAIN GOAL WE HAVE HEARD FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS IN IN CONDUCTING A RATE STUDY BE TO HELP REDUCE RATES FOR RESIDENTS ON FIXED WHO DO NOT GENERATE A LOT OF WASTE IN THE FIRST PLACE. WE'VE HEARD THIS INTEREST FROM COUNCIL IN OUR RATE SETTING PROCESS LAST YEAR. WE'VE HEARD THIS COME UP MORE AS CONVERSATIONS WITH RESIDENTS HAVE TAKEN PLACE REGARDING OUR NEW ORGANICS RECYCLING PROGRAM. SO THAT'S JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE THINK WE'VE HEARD FROM COUNCIL IN TERMS OF INTEST REGARDING YR RATE STUDY. SO FOR BACKGROUND I WANTED TO SHARE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT HOW OUR RATES ARE CURRENTLY STRUCTURED TO GIVE A BIT MORE CONTEXT IN IN THE RATE STUDY. SO TO BEGIN OUR CURRENT RATE SETTING PROCESS FOR OUR GARBAGE IS BASED SOLELY ON THE RATES THAT THE HAULERS CONSORTIUM IN WHOM WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH CHARGE THE CITY FOR EACH OUR GARBAGE CART SIZES AND THE ASSOCIATED SOLID WASTE TAXES AND HENNEPI COUNTY FEES THA WE COLCT AND PASS THROUGH IN ADDITION TO THAT WE DO HAVE A FIXED ADMINISTRATIVE FEE THAT COVERS THE CITY'S ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS FOR PROVIDING OUR SERVICES SO THAT INCLUDES SOME STAFFING CUSTOMER SERVICE BILLING AS WELL AS OUR PUBLIC EDUCATION. SO FOR GARBAGE THEN RESIDENTS CAN CHOOSE BETWEEN A SMALL MEDIUM OR LARGE GARBAGE CART AND THE PRICE FOR THOSE CARTS INCREASES AS THE CART VOLUME INCREASES AND THIS IS SO BECAUSE OF STATE LAW IN THE WASTE MANAGEMENT ACT IT REQUIRES THAT GARBAGE RATES BE SET UTILIZING BASED PRICING. THIS IS ALSO KNOWN AS PAY AS YOU THROW PRICING. SO CURRENTLY WE ALREADY DO HAVE SOME PAY AS YOU THROW PRICING BUT THE PRICE DIFFERENTIAL OUR SMALL MEDIUM AND LARGE CARTS IS VERY SMALL AND BASED ON INFORMATION THAT I'LL SHARE IN FUTURE SLIDES IT'S NOT LIKELY TO REALLY IMPACT RESIDENTS BEHAVIOR IN REDUCING THEIR GARBAGE CARD SIZE. SO THAT'S HOW THE GARBAGE RATES ARE SET FOR RECYCLING AND ORGANICS RECYCLING ALL RESIDENTS PAY THE SAME RATES FOR BOTH OF THOSE SERVICES AND THAT IS REGARDLESS OF THE CART OR HOW FREQUENTLY THEY UTILIZE THOSE SERVICES. WE HAVE RECEIVED MORE CLARIFICATION FROM THE STATE AND COUNTY RECENTLY THAT THE STATUTE THAT REQUIRES RESIDENTS WHO RECYCLE CANNOT PAY MORE THAN THOSE WHO DO NOT ALSO INCLUDES ORGANICS RECYCLING. SO WE ARE IN LINE WITH STATE STATUTE FOR CHARGING ALL RESIDENTS THE SAME PRICE FOR ORGANICS AND ORGANICS RECYCLING AND REGULAR RECYCLING REGARDLESS OF THEIR PARTICIPATION IN THE PROGRAM AND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR PROCESS FOR SETTING THOSE RATES IN TERMS THE TIMELINE OUR RATES ARE PROPOSED INITIALLY IN JUNE FOR THE COMING BUDGET YEAR WHEN OUR BUDGET PROCESS STARTS HERE IN BLOOMINGTON AGAIN AND THAT'S REALLY BASED ON OUR PRICE WITH THE HAULERS AND THEN WE hold A BUDGET MEETING WITH COUNCIL IN OCTOBER WHERE WE SRE OURROPOSED RATES WE THEN A PUBLIC HEARING IN NOVEMBER WHERE RESIDENTS CAN COMMENT ON OUR RATES AND THEN OUR RATES ARE ADOPTED FORMALLY WITH THE THE ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET AT THE END OF THE YEAR. SO THAT'S OUR CURRENT RATE SETTING PROCESS. JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF IDEA OF HOW WE GET TO OUR PRICING NOW AND KIND OF THE PRICE DIFFERENCE OUR GARBAGE CARD SIZES SO A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT WE KNOW CAN MOTIVATE CLIMATE FRIENDLY BEHAVIOR. IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR, RESEARCHERS RELEASED ONE OF THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE REVIEWS UP TO DATE OF RESEARCH ON WHAT WHAT WORKS IN MAKING PEOPLE ACTION ON CLIMATE AND WHAT DOES NOT THE STUDY REVIEWED OVER 430 PRIMARY STUDIES AND THE STUDY IDENTIFIED SIX DIFFERENT TYPES OF INTERVENTIONS YOU TAKE TO MODIFY OR CHANGE PEOPLE'S BEHAVIOR REGARDING CLIMATE THESE INCLUDED INNOVATION INTERVENTIONS SUCH AS COMMITMENTS FEEDBACK EDUCATION,INANCIAL INCENTIVES AND, SOCIAL COMPARISONS. SO AN APPEAL WOULD BE URGING PEOPLE TO ACT MORE SUSTAINABLY BY TARGETING THEIR VALUES FOR CERTAIN A COMMITMENT WOULD BE TRYING TO MOTIVATE THEM BY A PUBLIC COMMITMENT OR SETTING A GOAL EDUCATION ONE COULD BE JUST FACTUAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE REASONS YOU MIGHT DO FINANCIAL INCENTIVES ARE FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND THIS WOULD INCLUDE PROGRAMS SUCH AS UNIT PRICING PROGRAMS TO KIND OF REWARD FINANCIAL BEHAVIORS AND THEN A SOCIAL COMPARISON WOULD BE HIGHLIGHTING PEOPLE'S PRO-ENVIRONMENTAL BEHAVIORS AS SOMETHING SOMEONE ELSE SHOULD MODEL KIND OF KEEPING UP WITH THE JONESES OF MENTALITY. BASED ON THIS STUDY AND THE RESEARCH, WHAT THEY FOUND VERY CLEARLY IS THAT SOCIAL COMPARISONS AND FINANCIAL APPROACHES WERE THE MOST EFFECTIVE TOOLS FOR HELPING PEOPLE TO MAKE THEIR TO MORE ACTION ON CLIMATE. WITH THAT INFORMATION IN MIND WHAT A PAY AS YOU THROW RATE WOULD DO IS PROVIDE THAT FINANCIAL INCENTIVE TO RESIDENTS TO TAKE ACTION AND REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF GARBAGE THAT THEY'RE GENERATING. SO THIS THIS WOULD BE RIGHT ON TRACK WITH WHAT RESEARCH IS SHOWING COULD HELP WITH THAT KIND OF WITH THAT IN MIND STAFF HAVE HAD PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS WITH DR. LISA SCHOOLMATES OF SCHOOL SMARTS ECONOMIC RESEARCH ASSOCIATES SHE'S ONE OF THE LEADING RESEARCHERS IN THIS FIELD. SHE'S A CONSULTANT FOR THE U.S. EPA AND HAS PROVIDED ASSISTANCE TO SEVERAL CITIES ACROSS THE U.S. IN THE OF PAY AS YOU THROW PROGRAMS AND SHE PROVIDED WITH MORE HIGH LEVEL SCENARIOS ABOUT WHAT OUR RATES COULD LOOK LIKE AND GAVE US A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT A RATE STUDY WOULD ENTAIL. SO WITH THAT IN MIND, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT OPTIMAL PAY IS, YOU THROW RATE STRUCTURE SHOULD LOOK LIKE HOW MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE WE SHOULD BETWEEN GARBAGE CART SIZES, STAFF AND THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION DO RECOMND MOVING FORRD WITH A RATE STUDY BASED ON FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM COUNCIL LAST YEAR WE DID INCLUDE IN OUR 2023 BUDGET FUNDING FOR A CONSULTANT TO CONDUCT A RATE STUDY AND PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS TO US IN SOME SCENARIOS REGARDING WHAT THOSE RATES COULD LOOK LIKE. SO WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO RECOMMEND RELEASING AN RFP TO GET ASSISTANCE WITH THIS WORK I'LL PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN OVERVIEW AS TO WHAT THAT MIGHT ENTAIL REALLY THE TRICK TO OPERATING A SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM IS TO FIND WHAT THAT SWEET SPOT IS IN YOUR RATES THAT IS ENCOURAGING WASTE REDUCTION BUT IT'S STILL GENERATING ENOUGH REVENUE FOR US TO OPERATE OUR PROGRAM SUCCESSFULLY. WE DON'T WANT TO BE ENCOURAGING TOO MANY PEOPLE TO ALL MOVE TO THE SMALL CART AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH REVENUE TO PROVIDE TO THE HAULERS FOR PAYMENTS SO WE NEED TO REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH BEHAVIOR CHANGE WILL WE SHOULD EXPECT AND WE CAN DO THAT THROUGH MORE OF A THOROUGH ANALYSIS OF ACTU WASTE GENERATIO SO THAT WOULD BE GOING OUT IN THE FIELD AND LIFTING UP GARBAGE CARTS AND TAKING NOTE OF HOW MUCH MATERIAL IS IN THE CARTS OVER A SET PERIOD OF TIME WE CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT RESIDENTS ARE GENERATING AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU KNOW, DOING A MORE A HIGH LEVEL ANALYSIS LIKELY WASTE DIVERSION SCENARIOS AND THE ASSOCIATED RISKS WITH EACH DIFFERENT SCENARIO IS SOMETHING THAT THE CONSULTANT WOULD PROVIDE TO US SOME OF THE SOME OF THE INFORMATION WE THINK THAT WE'LL LEARN FROM THIS O WE COULD LEARNS A POSSIBLE INCREASE IN THAT PAY AS YOU THROW DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN CART SIZES CURRENTLY WE HAVE A 33% PRICE DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN OUR SMALL AND OUR MEDIUM CARTS AND BASED ON SOME OF OUR PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS WITH DR. SCHOOL THAT'S HER RESEARCH SUGGESTS THAT FOR STRONG WASTE DIVERSION YOU NEED A 50 TO 80% PRICE DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN THE CART SIZES. OUR 33% DIFFERENTIAL RIGHT NOW ISOT LIKELY LAR TO IMPACT BEHAVIOR. SO WE WOULD ANTICIPATE THE STUDY MIGHT SHOW A FEW DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND WASTE DIVERSION BASED ON ON THE MORE AGGRESSIVE SCENARIOS. DR. SUKUMAR IT'S ALSO SHARED SOME INFORMATION THE BENEFITS OF A POSSIBLE CONSOLIDATION OF SERVICES INTO ONE BASE RATE THAT VARIES BASED ON YOUR GARBAGE CARD SIZE. SO THIS REVISED STRUCTURE THAT WOULD INCORPORATE ALL OUR SOLID WASTE SERVICES INTO ONE RA MAY HELP RESIDENTS BETTER UNDERSTAND THESE SERVICES AS AN INTEGRATED THAT THE CITY IS PROVIDING RATHER THAN STANDALONE THAT RESIDENTS MAY OR MAY NOT WISH TO PARTICIPATE IN . AND THEN LASTLY THE STUDY MIGHT PROVIDE US WITH POTENTIAL PRICING FOR AN ADDITION OF AN EVERY OTHER WEEK GARBAGE CART SERVICE LEVEL. SO THIS WOULD BE A FOURTH SERVICE LEVEL THAT A RESIDENT COULD CURRENTLY OUR CONTRACT WITH THE HAULERS DOES INCLUDE PRICING AND A PROVISION FOR TURNING ON THIS EVERY OTHER WEEK GARBAGE SERVICE LEVEL SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DO TOMORROW BUT THE PRICE DIFFERENCE IN THE CONTRACT IS VERY MINIMAL FOR SMALL EVERY OTHER WEEK CARTS YEAH THAT WOULD BE $12.31 VERSUS $13 $13.03 FOR WEEKLY. SO THERE'S NOT MUCH OF A PRICE DIFFERENCE FOR RESIDENTS TO UTILIZE THAT. SO WE WE THINK WITH STUDY THEY COULD HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT PRICING THAT SHOULD BE SET OUT IF WE WANTED TO TURN ON THAT SERVICE LEVEL AS WELL. SO SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER AS WE CONDUCT A RATE STUDY WOULD BE FIRST OFF ACT IT FOR AN EQUITY IMPACTS WE THINK THAT FURTHER REARCH IS NEEDED TO IDENTIFY HOW THIS WOULD IMPACT RESIDENTS ACROSS THE STUDY AND WE WOULD RECOMMEND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CONSULTANT SOLID WASTE RATE STUDY UNDERTAKING THE RACIAL EQUITY IMPACT ASSESSMENT TO BE CONDUCTED SO WE CAN KIND OF BETTER UNDERSTAND MODIFYING OUR RATES MIGHT AFFECT RESIDENTS ACROSS THE CITY. WE DO KNOW THAT RESIDENTS WITH A FIXED INCOME WHO MAY WHO MAY ARE OR RESIDENTS WHO MIGHT ALREADY BE ZERO WASTERS THEY WILL LIKELY BE PAYING LESS FOR SERVICES WITH THIS HOWEVER LARGER FAMILIES WITH MORE KIDS WHO MIGHT BE GENERATING MORE GARBAGE MAY BE ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY PAYING MORE FOR THEIR SERVICES. SO A RATE WOULD HELP THIS RATE STUDY IN A RACIAL EQUITY IMPACT ASSESSMENT HELP US BETTER UNDERSTAND THE CART SIZES ACROSS THE CITY AND HOW THIS MIGHT AFFECT DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES. THE NEXT THING TO CONSIDER ARE THE FINANCIAL RISKS WHICH THINK I TOUCHED ON A BIT EARLIER BUT WE DO KNOW THAT TOO AGGRESSIVE OF A PAY DIFFERENTIAL COULD KIND SHORT THE CITY IN REVENUE IF TOO MANY RESIDENTS MOVE TO THE SMALLER SIZE. HOWEVER, CONDUCTING A RATE STUDY AND GETTING MORE DETAILED INFORMATION SPECIFIC TO BLOOMINGTON IS GOING TO HELP US THE RISK ASSOCIATED WITH THIS. HOWEVER, THERE'S IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOME FINANCIAL RISK WHEN WE CHOOSE TO MODIFY OUR RATES TO SOME EXTENT RATHER THAN SIMPLY PASSING ON THE SAME RATES THAT THE HAULERS ARE CHARGING US. AND THE THIRD THING TO CONSIDER IS IT WELL IT DOES TAKE SLIGHTLY MORE ADMINISTRATIVE OVERSIGHT AS WE BEGIN TO MODIFY OUR RATES INSTEAD OF SOLELY PASSING THROUGH THE RATES THAT THE HAULERS CHARGE, IT WILL REQUIRE A LITTLE BIT OF A MORE IN-DEPTH ANNUAL RATE SETTING PROCESS AS WE NEED TO IT WILL NEED MAKE SURE THAT THE THE MODELING IS MOVING FORWARD AS WE EXPECTED FOR BEHAVIOR CHANGE AND REVENUE COMING IN SO THIS SLIDE SHOWS YOU A PROPOSED TIMELINE. I THINK THE MAIN TAKEAWAY HERE IS THIS RATE STUDY AND IF THE COUNCIL WERE TO US WITH DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD AND ULTIMATELY MODIFY RATES A RATE STUDY THIS WOULD NOT AFFECT RATES UNTIL AT THE EARLIEST 2025 AND THAT'S BECAUSE THIS WILL TAKE US SOME TIME TO GET STARTED. AS YOU KNOW THE BUDGET SETTING PROCESS BEGINS IN JUNE SO THE A LITTLE BIT TOO SOON TO PROPOSE RATES FOR FOR 2024. SO JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE THIS WOULD BE BEGINNING IN 2025. IT ALSO PROVIDES US WE KNOW THIS TOPIC WILL BE POPULAR FOR RESIDENTS AS WELL THEY'LL SEE IT DIRECTLY ON A UTILITY BILL CHANGES. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING A LOT OF EDUCATION AND PROVIDING GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY ENGAGENT SO RESIDENTS FEE LIKE THERE UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S HAPPENING AND MAY HAVE SOME BUY IN IN ANY AND ANY SCENARIOS HERE. SO WE WOULD IF WE RECEIVED DIRECTION TONIGHT KIND OF BEGIN WITH THAT RFP PROCESS AND ULTIMATELY CONDUCTING A RATE STUDY LATER THIS SUMMER INTO 20 EARLY 2024 AND THEN COME BACK TO COUNCIL WITH OPTIONS BEFORE WE START THE BUDGET PROCESS FOR 2025. SO WITH THAT I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO YOU GUYS WITH FOUR QUESTIONS OR ANY ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION. OUR ULTIMATE GOAL WOULD BE TO RECOMMEND DIRECTING STAFF TO ISSUE AN TO CONDUCT THAT RATE STUDY UTILIZING A PAY AS THROW MODEL. [02:40:40] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THE INFORMATION I APPRECIATED COUNCIL CONSIDERATION STAFF CONSIDERATION OF YOUR QUESTION COUNCILMEMBER NELSON [02:40:50] **Councilmember Shawn Nelson:** THANK YOU MAYOR. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS WHEN IS THE CONTRACT WITH THE CONSORTIUM U FOR A RENEGOTIATION RENEWAL WHATEVER THE WORD WOULD BE [02:41:00] **Laura Horner:** SURE. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON THE CONSORTIUM CONTRACT EXPIRES IN JUNE OF 2026 SO WE WILL BE COMING BACK TO COUNCIL PROBABLY IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO START CONVERSATIONS COUNCIL ABOUT DIRECTION FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH POTENTIAL NEGOTIATIONS OR WHAT WE WANT OUR FUTURE CONTRACT TO LOOK LIKE. [02:41:20] **Councilmember Shawn Nelson:** OKAY. AND THEN SECOND QUESTION I HAD WAS WHEN WE REDUCE WASTE THAT REDUCES THE COST TO THE SHIPPING FEES AND STUFF AT WORK. BUT THAT'S ALL SAVED BY THE CONSORTIUM AT THIS POINT IS THAT WE DON'T AS A CITY GET THAT SAVINGS THAT RIGHT [02:41:35] **Laura Horner:** THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT WE AND I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN INTERESTED IN AND SOMETHING WE KIND OF TRIED FOR IN OUR NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE HAULERS WAS TO MOVE TO A SYSTEM WHERE WE MAY CONSIDER PAYING FOR A DISPOSAL DIRECTLY. SO CURRENTLY WE WE DON'T IT'S SET INTO OUR RATE SO WE DON'T SAVE ANY MONEY IN AT SCENARIO. [02:41:55] **Councilmember Shawn Nelson:** THANK YOU. [02:41:56] **Mayor Tim Busse:** YEAH THE QUESTIONS COUNCIL I THINK IN ADDITION TO THE PAY AS YOU THROW MODEL YOU KNOW STUDYING THAT BASED ON WHAT I'VE HEARD THIS COUNCIL TALK IN THE PAST SOME OTHER KIND OF CREATIVE POSSIBILITIES YOU KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT NEIGHBORS SHARING A CAN OR YOU KNOW THE EVERY OTHER WEEK OR YOU KNOW SOME WAYS TO TO LOOK AT THIS THIS ISSUE CREATIVELY. AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S THE DEL END OF things WE GOT TO PAY THE BILLS. IT'S GOT A IT'S GOT A CASH OUT THERE MUST BE OTHER CITIES ELSEWHERE WHO ARE FACING OR WHO HAVE FACED THE SAME THING AND THEY'VE COME UP WITH SOME CREATIVE WAY TO TRY AND AND DEAL WITH SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WE HEAR, YOU KNOW, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSEHOLDS THAT SIMPLY DON'T GENERATE THE WASTE EVEN TO FILL A SMALL CAMP SO I, I MEAN IS THAT POSSIBLE TO THROW THAT INTO AN RFP AS WELL OR IS THAT JUST MAYBE PERHAPS STAFF DIRECTION TO TO STUDY OTHER OPTIONS AND OTHER POSSIBILITIES FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY? [02:42:55] **Laura Horner:** MAYOR COUNCILMEMBERS CERTAINLY I THINK THAT WE CAN BRING FORWARD MORE KIND OF IDEAS FOR HOW WE CAN REDUCE WASTE OR IS IT GETTING AT REDUCING WASTE OR MORE SO THERE I THINK IT'S CERTAINLY REDUCING BUT ALSO THE THE OPTIONS FOR HOMEOWNERS OF HOW TO DISPOSE OF THEIR WASTE YOU KNOW AGAIN COULD THEY SHARE COULD COULD TWO NEIGHBORS SHARE A TRASH CAN OR OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES? AND THAT'S THE EXTENT OF MY YOU KNOW, TRASH REDUCTION CREATIVITY AT THIS TIME OF NIGHT RIGHT NOW ON A MONDAY. BUT I MEAN THERE'S GOT TO BE OTHER THERE'S GOT TO BE OTHER MODELS THAT A OUT THERE SOMEWHERE WHERE FOLKS WHO DON'T GENERATE THE TRASH THERE OPTIONS FOR THEM CERTAINLY AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AS AS WELL AS IN OUR FUTURE CONTRACTS THERE IS THIS WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO START THINKING CREATIVELY ABOUT OTHER THINGS WE MIGHT LIKE TO SEE YOU know IS THIS GOING TO SAY THAT BEHIND ALL OF OUR EFFORTS TO REDUCE WASTE TRY TO THINK ABOUT HOW THAT IMPACTS THE MARKET AND PACKAGING ALL OF THE UPSTREAM UPSTREAM SOLUTIONS THAT ARE ULTIMATELY NECESSARY TO TO GNIFICANTL REDUCE GARBAGE NOT JT IN BLOONGTON BUT, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE COUNTRY. AND SO WE'RE CONSTANTLY LOOKING FOR NEW AND CREATIVE WAYS TO DO IT AND WOULD WELCOME ANY THOUGHTS YOU ALL HAVE. BUT WE'LL ALSO DO A LITTLE MORE RESEARCH ON OUR OWN AS WELL. THANK YOU. [02:44:15] **Mayor Tim Busse:** COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO AND THEN LOWMAN COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO. [02:44:20] **Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** THANK YOU, MAYOR. NICE TO SEE YOU BOTH. ONE OF THE OTHER IDEAS THAT I HAD TALKED WITH SOME NEIGHBORS ABOUT WAS WHEN THEY'RE ON A CUL DE SAC CAN THE HAVE KIND OF COLLECTION AREA AT THE END OF THE CUL DE SAC? PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM MOVING THINGS DOWN BUT THE AMOUNT OF TIME IT TAKES GO AROUND A CUL DE SAC AND PICK UP ALL THE TRASH AND EVERYTHING VERSUS HAVING A MAYBE A LARGER SET UP FOR A CUL DE SAC. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THOSE WE HAVE IN THIS CITY BUT WE SEEM TO HAVE A LOT OF THEM. SO YOU KNOW AND THAT'S ANOTHER IDEA FOR SHARING A COLLECTION . MY UNDERSTANDING FROM SOME FOLKS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY GET CONSTRAINED IN A CUL DE SAC AREA LIKE THAT, EVERY PERSON HAVING TO HAVE FOUR CANS IT GETS A LITTLE TEDIOUS. BUT I THEY COULD DIVIDE THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT BE PARTICIPATING IN ORGANICS RECYCLING TODAY MIGHT CHOOSE TO DO THAT IF THERE WAS A PLACE AT THE END OF THE BLOCK THAT COULD GO TO. SO I THINK INCLUDING THOSE KINDS OF THINGS AND THEN THINKING ABOUT THAT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE HAULERS AS WELL BECAUSE THE LESS STOPS THEY MAKE THE MORE EFFICIENT THEY CAN BE AND THAT KIND OF THING. SO THAT WAS ONE IDEA THAT I HAD. I'M A BIG FAN. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, CONCERNS ABOUT LARGER LARGER LARGER CART SIZES, YOU KNOW, AFFECTING LARGER FAMILY SIZES AND AND NOT BEING TOO PUNITIVE SIMPLY BECAUSE A PERSON OR FAMILY TO BE LARGER AND I RESPECT THAT. I THINK THERE'S REAL CHALLENGE THOUGH IN EDUCATION ASSOCIATED WITH FAMILIES MEANING THAT THERE ARE THEIR OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO DOORK FAMILIES TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, HOW THEY CAN REDUCE THEIR GARBAGE ACCUMULATION AND WHY IT'S IMPORTANT AND GIVE THEM INCENTIVIZE INCENTIVES TO DO THAT YOU KNOW, IN MULTIPLE AND IN MULTIPLE WAYS. SO YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN OUTREACH COMPONENT TO THIS THAT I THINK WOULD BE VERY INTERESTING AND MAYBE MAYBE THE CONSULTANT CAN LOOK EVEN EVEN IF IT'S LARGER CITIES IN CITIES WHERE THERE'S A TON OF DIVERSITY, YOU KNOW, EVEN EVEN WHAT MIGHT BE HAPPENING IN A PLACE LIKE L.A. OR HOUSTON, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE CAN HAVE A SENSE FOR HOW HOW YOU TO FOLKS WHO DON'T HAVE YOU KNOW I'M A WHITE GAL WHO WATCHED THE NATIVE AMERICAN WITH THE TIER ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD IN THE SEVENTIES RIGHT. I KNOW WHY I DON'T LITTER AND I KNOW WHY I'M GOOD WITH MY GARBAGE BUT I'M THAT I'M A PRIVILEGED PERSON IN A WHITE COMMUNITY THAT WAS VERY WHITE FOR A LONG TIME AND PEOPLE WHO COME TO THIS COUNTRY DON'T NECESSARY HAVE THO MEMORIES AND DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THOSE INCENTIVES AND THAT'S FINE. BUT SO FOR THEM TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHY WE VALUE IT AND TO HELP THEM UNDERSTAND IF IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S VALUABLE TO THEM THAT THERE'S AN THERE'S A BARRIER TO OVERCOME THERE THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT AND I THINK IT'S ON US TO DO THAT AS OPPOSED TO JUST EXPECTING PEOPLE TO LIKE FIGURE IT OUT IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. SO I THINK HAVING A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF HOW MULTICULTURAL PROGRAMS OF OUTREACH CAN AFFECT IS A IS THAT SOCIAL COMPONENT THAT YOU KIND OF ALLUDE TO. SO IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE FINANCES, IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE ADOPTION AND THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT. SO YEAH. THANK YOU. [02:47:35] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THANKS COUNCILMEMBER COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN [02:47:40] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** I'M JUST GOING TO PICK UP RIGHT WHERE YOU LEFT OFF THERE SOMEBODY ELSE OR I I WANT TO SECOND THAT THAT PIECE BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT YOU KNOW WHEN WHEN I HAD OUR FIRST CHILD WE'D GO FROM SMALL TRASH CAN TO THE NEXT TO THE MEDIUM SIZE BUT WE WERE ABLE TOOU KNOW, BY UNG THE ORGANICS AND BY UTILIZING SOME OF THE STUFF WEE ABLE TO GET BY WITH JUST KEEPING WITH THAT THAT SMALL ONE. SO LET'S LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE NEXT ONE COMES ALONG. YOU KNOW, AM I GOING TO BE MADE INTO A LIAR AND BE FORCED INTO THE INTO THE MEDIUM ONE? SO I DO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT THAT THAT STATEMENT BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S LOT OF WORK THAT CAN BE AND SHOULD BE YOU KNOW, AS WE GET READY TO DO THAT STUDY LOOK AT LOOK AT THAT. SO APPRECIATE THAT. BEFORE I MOVE ON TO THE NEXT COUPLE OF THINGS WANTED TO MENTION I JUST WANTED TO JUST THANK STAFF FOR YOU KNOW YOU GUYS WORKED HARD ON THIS YOU KNOW I REALLY GRINDED YOU GUYS ETTY HARD SOME QUESTIONS AND SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU DID TO BRING THIS BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I SINCERELY APPRECIATE THAT AND ALSO THE OTHER THAT WERE ON THE GROUP WITH US ONE PIECE AND I KNOW I BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE I WANTED TO JUST BE SURE I BROUGHT THIS FORWARD TONIGHT IS THE CART SIZES COULD YOU JUST YOU KNOW EVER SO BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT KNOW WE'RE KIND OF LOCKED INTO THOSE CART SIZES THAT WE KIND OF HAVE RIGHT NOW THAT THERE ISN'T REALLY THOSE OIONS TO BRING IN BEUSE I'M LIKE WELL WHY DON'T WE STICK A CART SIZE IN BETWEEN THE SO THE MEDIUM THE SMALLER THE BIGGER THE LARGE TOTAL ABOUT THAT [02:49:15] **Laura Horner:** SURE MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN, THAT'S A GREAT POINT AND WE ARE CART SIZES ARE BASED ON REALLY THE STANDARD CART SIZES THAT ALL HAULERS TO COMMUNITIES AND IT'S KIND OF ALSO BASED ON THE TRUCKS AND THE ARMS THAT THEY CAN USE. SO OFTENTIMES WE WELL I WOULD NEVER FILL A FULL 30 GALLON ORGANICS CART AND I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE A lot OF FOOD WASTE IF WERE FILLING THAT EVERY WEEK BUT THAT CART SIZES BASED ON THAT THE NEED TO ACTUALLY PICK THAT UP WITH THE AUTOMATED ARM SO THE SIZES ARE REALLY BASED ON THE STANDARDS IN THE HAULING COMMUNITY THAT WE RELY ON [02:49:50] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** NOW APPRECIATE THAT AND I ALSO REMEMBER IF [02:49:52] **Mayor Tim Busse:** SURE EXCUSE ME JUST 1/2 I'M GOING TO PUSH BACK ON YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT THERE. SURE. BECAUSE AS I WATCHED THEM PICK UP MY ORGANICS, THE GUY GETS OUT OF THE TRUCK, OPENS THE LID, REACHES IN AND PICKS UP THE BAG AND THROWS IT INTO THE TRUCK AND SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I MEAN IT CONCEIVABLY IS THAT BUT I THINK MORE PRACTICALLY I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S HAPPENING. I DON'T THINK THEY COME WITH THE TRUCK IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THEY DON'T COME IN IS AN AUTOMATIC DUMP. IT'S IT'S A GUY REACHING INTO THE CAN, PICKING IT UP AND THROWING INTO THE BACK THE TRUCK [02:50:20] **Laura Horner:** SO YEAH [02:50:22] **Mayor Tim Busse:** AND I'M JUST SAYING THE SAYING I PROBABLY NEVER DO [02:50:25] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** BUT WHAT I DO APPRECIATE THAT IT'S YOU KNOW I WAS PUSHING ON THAT TOO YOU know MAYBE WE CAN ADD THAT INTO KNOW THE THE MAYOR'S LIST OF things TO PUSH ON YOU IF WE CAN GET THAT THAT PIECE OF IT THANKS FOR THE TIME FRAME PIECE BECAU AND I WAND IT TO BE MUCH QUICKER BUT YOU KNOW LOOKING AT THAT IT CAN'T BE ANY QUICKER I UNDERSTAND AND THEN THE JUST THE LAST PIECE THAT I WANTED TO JUST MENTION IS AND AND I KNOW WE REALLY CAN'T DO THIS RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE WANT TO DO THIS STUDY. BUT I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, OUR PAST AND EVEN THE PRESENT CHAIR WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IDEA OF LOOKING HOLISTICALLY AT SOLID WASTE AND TO TRY TO LOOK AT THAT AS A FULL SPECTRUM AND FIND A WAY IN WHICH TO PROVIDE THAT AS A WHOLE AND TO PROVIDE THAT AS A YOU know, AS A SOLID WTE OR SUSTAINABLE SOLID WASTE EXPERIENCE THAT WE'RE COULD EVENTUALLY YOU KNOW, WITH THAT GOAL OF THE PIECE PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SAVINGS ACROSS THAT KIND OF PIECE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN THE SCOPE OF THIS AND I KNOW THAT WOULD SLOW IT DOWN BUT I DO HOPE THAT WE WILL YOU KNOW, AS A COUNCIL AND AS A COMMUNITY TAKE THAT PIECE ON EVENTUALLY [02:51:25] **Councilmember Victor Rivas:** COUNCILMEMBER THE MAYOR I WANT TO ECHO WHAT COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO SAID ABOUT THE OUTREACH AS WELL. I WOULD SAY I WOULD PREFER TO SEE A BLUE HOLE BLOOMINGTON OUTREACH PROGRAM BECAUSE WHEN I DRIVE AROUND MY NEIGHBORHOOD THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 30% 40% OF PEOPLE WITH ORGANICS. SO I THINK THERE'S A BROADER NEED FOR EDUCATION FOR OUR RESIDENTS AS A WHOLE. AND THEN ADDITIONALLY I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME LONG TERM IMPACTS OF THIS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF BLOOMINGTON WHICH IS GETTING OLDER BUT OBVIOUSLY WITH THAT COMES A NATURAL TURNOVER WHERE WE GET YOUNGER AND FAMILIES COME IN AGAIN. SO I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A LONG TERM IMPACT OF IF THIS GOES DEMOGRAPHICS DEMOGRAPHICS CHANGE HOW DOES THAT IMPACT OUR OUR WASTE REMOVAL SYSTEM IN THE FUTURE ALSO [02:52:15] **Mayor Tim Busse:** IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE COUNCILMEMBER NELSON [02:52:20] **Councilmember Shawn Nelson:** THANK YOU, MAYOR. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS APPLIES AT ALL BUT WOULD THERE BE ANY CONSIDERATION OF LOOKING AT IT? I BELIEVE THERE'S A PRIVATE THAT TAKES SOME THINGS. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN CALL AND HAVE THEM COLLECT. I FORGET THE NAME OF IT AND WOULD THAT I MEAN THAT OBVISLY IMPACTS WHEER IT GOES INTO TRASH CAN GOES SOMEWHERE ELSE BUT IT'S NOT IT'S FOR FAIRLY SPECIFIC PRODUCTS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. [02:52:40] **Laura Horner:** OKAY. CAN YOU HELP ME OUT? I MEAN SURE. CERTAINLY. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, I BELIEVE YOU'RE POTENTIALLY REFERRING TO RED WELL, YES. WHICH IS LIKE A SPECIALIZED COMPANY AND WHAT THEY REALLY TRY TO DO IS PICK UP ITEMS THAT CANNOT BE PUT IN YOUR CARTS CURRENTLY. SO IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY WHAT RESIDENTS CAN PUT IN THEIR RECYCLING AND ORGANICS CARTS. BUT IT'S ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR SPECIALIZED RECYCLING OF ITEMS LIKE PLASTIC BAGS THAT YOU CAN'T PUT IN YOUR REGULAR RECYCLING CART OR BATTERIES TEXTILES AND DIFFERENT SPECIALIZED ITEMS. SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WOULD FALL INTO RATE STUDY PIECE BECAUSE IT I SO SPECIALED D IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY IMPACT WHAT'S GOING IN THOSE CURRENT CARTS BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THAT'S A POPULAR PROGRAM HERE IN BLOOMINGTON AND. WE DO GET QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT FROM RESIDENTS FROM TIME TO TIME. [02:53:25] **Councilmember Shawn Nelson:** SO I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I THINK SOME OF THOSE ITEMS ARE GOING INTO THE TRASH BATTERIES AND STUFF. I KNOW MY GARBAGE CAUGHT ON FIRE SO THAT'S NOT GOOD. OOPS. SO I HAD THAT QUESTION. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS RELATED TO TIMING OF THIS BECAUSE THERE IS THE RISK THAT YOU KNOW THAT THAT YOU KNOW IF WE OVEREMPHASIZE THE DIFFERENCE WE GET A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT MAYBE DON'T EVEN CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIORS THAT MUCH. TH'RE JUST ONEF THOSE FAMILIESHAT FOR $5 A MONTH THEY DIDN'T GET A SMALLER THEY JUST HAVEN'T GOT AROUND TO THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY GO AWAY IT NOW IT'S A LOT MORE THEY GET THAT SMALLER CART WE'RE NOT REDUCING ANY TRASH. WE'RE GENERATING LESS REVENUE AND TAKING THAT RISK THAT YOU KNOW THAT. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO TIME THIS TO THE HOPEFULLY PROCESS OR WHATEVER PROCESS WE USE WITH THE TRASH HAULERS AT THE END OF THAT TERM SO WE DON'T WE CAN ELIMINATE RISK AND KIND OF TIE THIS IN WITH THEM ON WHAT THEY'RE DOING. [02:54:15] **Laura Horner:** I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD CONSIDE I WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO GET OUT OF THE RATE STUDY IS GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT PRICE DIFFERENTIAL SO MORE OF A PERCENTAGE DIFFERENTIAL THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT. SO LIKE FOR OUR BASKET COST OF SERVICES SO I THINK THAT WITH THE NEW CONTRACT WE COULD STILL APPLY THOSE SAME RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE MIGHT START IN 2025 WITH THIS CURRENT CONTRACT AND THEN IF WE RECEIVE NEW PRICING FOR A FUTURE CONTRACT WE COULD ALSO THEN INCLUDE THAT FUTURE IN THAT IN THAT FUTURE PRICING IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO I DON'T I DON'T THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE TOO MUCH OF A CONCERN OF STARTING THAT WITHIN OUR CURRENT CONTRACT. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY BENEFIT TO WAITING FOR A NEW CONTRACT. IT'S JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. [02:54:55] **Councilmember Shawn Nelson:** THANK YOU. YEAH. TO COUNCIL THE THE SLIDE WITH THE RECMENDATION I ACTUALLY THE LGUAGE IS A bit DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE OFFICIAL MOTION SHEET HAS AND I THINK THE OFFICIAL SHEET IS WHAT THE STAFF IS LOOKING FOR. SO UNLESS FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS I WOULD LOOK FOR A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO INITIATE A SOLID WASTE RATE STUDY AND ISSUE AN A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL FOR CONSULTING ASSISTANCE. [02:55:25] **Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** SO I MOVED IN A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND [02:55:28] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** SECOND [02:55:29] **Mayor Tim Busse:** AND A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER TO DO DIRECT STAFF TO INIATE E SOLID WASTE RE STUDY A ISSUE A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL CONSULTING ASSISTANCE. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON QUESTION [02:55:40] **Councilmember Shawn Nelson:** NO, JUST A COMMENT PLEASE ON THE MOTION. SO I'M GOING TO OPPOSE THIS BUT ONLY BECAUSE OF THE TIMING ISSUE. I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING THAT YOU'RE DOING. I JUST THINK IT'D BE BETTER TO PUT THAT TIME IN ALIGNED WITH THAT CONTRACT PART OF IT. SO THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT. [02:55:55] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER COUNCIL MEMBER WOMAN [02:56:00] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** THANK YOU. YOU KNOW IN I MEAN I'M NOT GOING TO OPPOSE IT BUT I DO THINK THERE'S SOME MERIT GIVEN THE FACT THAT I'VE BEEN ON THE SOLID WASTE PART OF ON THE ON THE OTHER CGC AND I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT UNTIL YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT NOW TERMS OF PUTTING THOSE THINGS TOGETHER I DON'T WOULD I PUSH IT OUT MORE BUT I DO SEE SOME MERIT TO KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I JUST HAVEN'T FULLY THOUGHT THAT THROUGH I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS TODAY BUT PLEASE DON'T TAKE THAT AS A YOU KNOW, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING TO THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING [02:56:30] **Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** IF I CAN ASK FOR CLARIFICATION, MR. MAYOR, I DON'T I DON'T THINK THE RFP NECESSILY HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH OUR IMPLEMENTATION PLAN IN THE SENSE THAT LIKE WE'RE GOING TO SUBMIT IT FOR AN RFP THAT'S ALL WE'RE PASSING RIGHT NOW AND ONCE THE RFP COMES BACK, THIS TENTATIVE PLAN COULD BASED ON THE INFORMATION. SO I'M NOT SURE I'M NOT SURE WE'RE NOT COMMITTING TO KICKING OFF THESE RATE ADJUSTMENTS IN 2025 TONIGHT BY ANY STRETCH. [02:56:52] **Mayor Tim Busse:** YES, THAT IS CORRECT. I THINK ALL WE'RE LOOKING TO DO NOW IS INITIATE THE RATE STUDY. [02:56:56] **Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** YEAH. BY DOING THAT YES YOU CAN GO DO AN RFP PERIOD. [02:57:00] **Councilmember Shawn Nelson:** OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YOU WANT TO OPPOSE IT? THAT'S COOL. BUT I JUST YOU TO KNOW YOU'RE OFF THE HOOK AND YOU COULD COME BACK OPPOSE IT LATER. IT WOULD BE FINE. WE'RE GOING TO GET PLENTY OF CHOICES. YEAH. JUST A QUICK COMMENT. I THAT YEAH I REMEMBER ALESSANDRA AND I WOULD SAY THAT I'D OPPOSE IT BECAUSE OF THE FACT I THINK THE DATA WOULD BE MORE TIMELY IF IT WAS TIED IN WITH THAT PROCESS IT WOULD BE INSTEAD OF A LITTLE BIT MORE STALE IT WOULD BE TIMELY TO THAT DECISION ON THER SO BUT MY GUESS IS IT'S GOING TO GO DOWN SIX ONE AND OR GO FORWARD SIX ONE AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT THING THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING TO TRY TO REDUCE WASTE AND MANAGE. WE'VE GOT A HUGE TRASH PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTRY AREA BURNSVILLE YOU KNOW SO THAT'S PROVED. [02:57:45] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** EL CENTRO YEP. SO I APOLOGIZE COUNCILMEMBER NELSON I THOUGHT YOU WERE OPPOSING IT ON THE GROUNDS OF THE TIMING OF IMPLEMENTATION BUT YOU'RE OPPOSING IT ON THE GROUNDS OF WHEN TO KICK OFF THE RFP AND I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT. SO APOLOGIES DY NOTED I, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE QUICK COMMENT OF THANKS I EVER SINCE I RAN FOR OFFICE FIRST TIME I'VE TALKED TO MANY, MANY SENIORS ESPECIALLY ON INCOME WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW OUR RATES ARE DETERMINED AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THEY DON'T THEY DON'T MEAN TO BE MAD BUT OFTENTIMES THEY ARE BECAUSE THEIR BILL JUST KEEPS UP OR THEY JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. AND I THINK THAT THIS IS A OR THEY JUST LITERALLY HAVE ONE BAG OF GARBAGE EVERY OTHER WEEK AND THEY JUST DON'T WHY THEY CAN'T PUT IT OUTVERY OTHER WEEK OR SHAREITH THEIR NEIGHBOR. AND SO I LOVE THAT YOU'RE DOING THIS. IT'S A BIG PART OF WHAT I THINK WE CAN DO FOR BENEFITS FOR FOR THAT POPULATION. YOU KNOW, 40% OF OF THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON IS OVER THE AGE OF 50 LIKE IT IS. AND SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT. SO THANK YOU FOR DOING IT. THANK YOU FOR PRIORITIZING. [02:58:50] **Mayor Tim Busse:** VERY GOOD. WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TABLE FOR THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSED MOTION CARRY SIX ONE WITH COUNCILMEMBER NELSON IN OPPOSITION THANK YOU MUCH FOR PULLING THIS TOGETHER AND I LIKE THE DIRECTION THIS IS GOING AND CURIOUS TO SEE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO END UP. SO THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM 5.2 ON ORGANIZATION OF BUSINESS IS THE 2023 LEGISLATIVE UPDATE. AND I WILL TELL YOU FOLKS AS I'VE SAT HERE MR. SABLE HAS BEEN WORKING ON IT FEVERISHLY BECAUSE IT'S CHANGING IN ABOUT THE PAST EVERY 15 MINUTES OR SO IT KEEPS CHANGING. SO HE KEEPS TRYING TO GET THE MOST UPDATED INFORMATION POSSIBLE FROM SAINT PAUL. I WILL TURN IT OVER. MR. SABLE GOOD EVENING. [02:59:45] **Mike Sable (Assistant City Manager):** THANK YOU VERY COUNCIL MEMBERS THEY THE HOUSE IS STILL IN RECESS AT THE CALL OF THE SPEAKER THEY ARE THE REVISES OFFICE IS MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF THE BILLS MATCH AND ALL OF THE LANGUAGE MATCHES. OUR LOBBYIST SAYS 11 P.M. IS THE CURRENT TARGET FOR END OF SESSION. I DID WANT TO PROVIDE JUST A LITTLE OF UPDATE AND I DON'T KNOW IF CITY MANAGER FOUR BRIDGES IS STILL ON THE CALL BUT HE MAY WANT TO WEIGH IN AS WELL. BUT EARLIER THIS YEAR THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED SOME LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES AND IN NO SMA FEAT WERE THE BLOOMINGTON SALES TAX WAS THE PRIORITY ITEM FOR THE CITY. THIS WAS THE ABILITY TO ASK FOR SUPPORT FOR A HALF CENT SALES TAX IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON TO FUND THE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER AND PUBLIC HEALTH BUILDING FOR $100 MILLION RENOVATIONS TO BLOOMINGTON NICE GARDEN FOR $35 MILLION AND A NINE MILE CREEK CORRIDOR RENEWAL PROJECT FOR $20 MILLION. I AM HAPPY TO SAY THAT THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE TAX BILL AND IS ON ITS WAY TO THE GOVERNOR AND THE GOVERNOR AND INTENDI TO SIGN IT. SO IT'S EXCITING OPPORTUNITY FOR CITY OF BLOOMINGTON TO MAKE SOME SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS IN THINGS THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS LONGED FOR. AND YOU KNOW, FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT AND BASED ON THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS MAKING SURE THAT THE BLOOMINGTON NICE GARDEN CONTINUES TO FUNCTION FOR OUR COMMUNITY IS A HUGE ONE AND SO WE WILL THE BILL WILL BE PASSED AND SIGNED INTO LAW. THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE HAS THREE DAYS TO SIGN IT ONCE THE BILL HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO THEM TO HIM. SO IF THE HOUSE OR SENATE DELAYS THE SUBMITTAL THEY COULD EXTEND OUT THE SIGNING CEREMONIES BUT WE WOULD EXPECT THEM TO KIND OF WRAP UP THIS WEEK. SO THAT'S VERY EXCITING OPPORTUNITY FOR US AND SO WE WILL BRING FORWARD WE'LL WORK ON THE BACK END TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RESOLUTIONS ACCEPTING THE AUTHORIZATION AND THEN GETTING INTO DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HOW TO INCLUDE THOSE ITEMS ON THE BALLOT INITIATIVE AS THEY ARE. THE SECOND COMPONENT THAT WAS PUT FORWARD BY THE CITY COUNCIL WAS BONDING REQUESTS AND SUPPORT FOR THE COMMUNITY HEALTH COMMUNITY WELLNESS CENTER. WE REQUESTED $10.135 MILLION AND THEN BLOOMINGTON NICE GARDEN IN KIND OF HORSE TRADING I'M SURE AT THE CAPITOL THAT WE WEREN'T INVOLVED IN THE STATE DID GIVE US AUTHORIZATION FOR FUNDING FOR PLANNING DESIGN OF BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS. SO $1.8 MILLION FOR THE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER AND $2.272 MILLION FOR BLOOMINGTON ICE GARDEN. I BELIEVE THAT WAS OUR ORIGINAL OUR ESTIMATE WAS AROUND $3.4 MILLION. SO I THINK WE WERE THE SUBJECT OF A ROUNDING ERROR THEY NEEDED TO MAKE THE MATH WORK ON THEIR END SO. WE GOT AN OBSCURE NUMBER OF 2.27 TO 1 OF THE THINGS I WANT TO MENTION IN THE STATE BY IS SOMETIMES WE SUPPORT THE EFFORTS OF OTHERS AND SO THE BLOOMINGTON REMEMBERS PROJECT WAS SUBMITTED FOR $350,000 HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE THAT THEY ARE GOING TO GET THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT. THE COMMUNITY GROUP STILL HAS SOME TO GO ON THEIR END BUT I THINK WHEN REACH THE MORE THAN 50% THRESHOLD I THINK LOTS OF OTHER PEOPLE LIKE TO SEE DOLLARS AND SO WE WERE ENCOURAGED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THATITH RELATEDITH REGARD TO EXPO 2027 THE CITY THE PORT AUTHORITY HAS SOUGHT $15 MILLION IN PLANNING SERVICES FOR THE HOST COMMITTEE. AT THE END OF THE DAY THE STATE HAS AUTHORIZED $5 MILLION IN SEED MONEY FOR THAT AND SO WE ARE DEVELOPING THE NECESSARY AGREEMENTS. I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU SOME FAIR WARNING. SOME OF THE TIMELINES ARE QUICK SO THIS AGREEMENT MAY HAVE TO BE DONE BY THE 30TH OF THIS MONTH. SO THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WILL BE WORKING ON SOME GETTING SOME AGREEMENTS PUT TOGETHER VERY QUICKLY WITH REGA TO TRANSRTATION. AND I MAY HAVE TO ASK CARL KIEHL TO COME UP HERE BECAUSE THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS OF INVESTMENTS FOR TRANSPORTATION. SO WHILE THE I-495 VISION PROJECT WAS NOT FULLY FUNDED AND OUTLINED IN THE BILL, THE OF COMMERCE DOLLAR THAT WAS SUBMITTED WAS MORE THAN THE $70 MILLION. THEY JUST DIDN'T EARMARK ANY PROJECTS. AND SO THERE'S MONEY AVAILABLE BUT IT'S NOT DEDICATED SO WE WILL HAVE TO DO SOME WORK ON OUR END FOR ADVOCACY WITH MINDAT AND WITH OUR PLANNING TEAM. BUT SO THERE'S DOLLARS IN TRANSPORTATION. I ALSO THEN MAKE NOTE THAT THERE IS A SIZABLE INVESTMENTS IN METROPOLITAN SALES TAX TO GO TOWARDS TRANSPORTATION AND AN INDEX GUEST SORRY THE GAS TAX WILL BE INDEXED TO INFLATION SO THE GAS TAX WILL GO UP WHICH WILL PROVIDE MORE DOLLARS FOR AND SO AS WE UNPACK THESE BILLS WE THINK WE MAY HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR GRANTS FOR FUNDING FOR OUR ROAD PROJECTS WITH REGARD TO PUBLIC SAFETY I WE WE TALKE ABOUT SOME STRATEGIC INVESTMENTS IN BOTH EQUIPMENT AND TECHNOLOGY BUT ALSO THEN ON BRAIN HEALTH THOSE WERE TWO EFFORTS THAT CHIEF HODGES HAD IDENTIFIED EARLY ON IN HIS TENURE HERE AS NECESSARY AND WE HAVE OUR PUBLIC SAFETY ALLOCATION DIRECTLY FROM THE MOST RECENT BILL IS $3.98 MILLION IN ONE TIME FUNDING FOR PUBLIC RELATED MEASURES. NOW IT'S INTENDED TO BE A BALANCE BETWEEN POLICE AND FIRE. AND SO I THINK CHIEF SEALE AND CHIEF HODGES WILL DISCUSS AND NEGOTIATE WHA THAT MIGHT LOO LI. IT IS NOT ALLOWED FOR VEHICLES AND SO THIS REALLY DOES IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO A STRATEGIC INVESTMENT AND PUT A ONE TIME INVESTMENT IN SERVICE DELIVERY MODEL AND SO STAY TUNED FOR THAT THAT MONEY WILL COME FORWARD TO $3.98 MILLION AND THEN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS AT MCGUFF HAD ASKED FOR AN EXTENSION OF THE FIVE YEAR TIFF AT THE BLOOMINGTON CENTRAL STATION AND THAT IS IN THE TAX BILL. AND SO WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THAT THE TAX COMMITTEE CHAIR WHO ARGUABLY KNOWS MORE ABOUT TAXES ANYONE IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA PREFERRED HER LANGUAGE BEING IN THE BILL AND WE WERE MORE THAN WILLING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THE DECISION WILL REST WITH THIS BODY AND HOW THAT PLAYS OUT. AND SO FROM A STANDPOINT OF PRIORITIES, I THINK THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON CAME OUT VERY, VERY WELL. I WILL SAY THAT I THE BONDING BILL ALWAYS THE MOST COMPLICATED POLITICALLY BECAUSE IT'S REQUIRED A CERTAIN NUMBER OF VOTES WHICH IS GREATER THAN 50. SO IT'S A IT'S A PERCENT MAJORITY. AND SO THE THE WHAT HAPPENS BEHIND THE SCENE AT THE CAPITOL IS VERY IMPORTANT. AND SO SOMETIMES YOU'RE WINNERS AND SOMETIMES YOU'RE LOSERS BUT AS THE FOURTH LARGEST CITY IN THE STATE, I THINK OUR INFLUENCES AND I JUST MAKE NOTE THAT THE CITY OF ROCHESTER RECEIVED MILLION DOLLARS IN BONDING REQUESTS AND A LOCAL OPTION SALES TAX REQUEST. SO I THINK OUR ADVOCACY AND MESSAGE FOR NEXT YEAR OUGHT TO BE WE OUGHT TO BE HIGHER IN THE BONDING BILL FROM THIS POINT GOING FORWARD AND FLEX THE CITY'S MUSCLE A LITTLE BIT AS THE LARGEST CITY IN THE STATE THERE ARE SOME POLICY CHANGES THAT HAPPENED ON THE LEGALIZATION MARIJUANA. IT IS A 317 PAGE BILL THAT I DON'T ANYONE AT CITY STAFF HAS READ IN FULL. SO WE ARE ASSEMBLING A SMALL TEAM WITH OUR YOU KNOW POLICE AND LEGAL IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND THE LICENSING FOLKS AND WE'RE ALSO REALLY GOING TO RELY ON OUR PARTNERS AT THE LEAGUE OF MINNESOTA CITIES TO SAY WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR US ? WE HAVE UNTIL AUGUST 1ST TO FIGURE IT OUT SO WE WILL BE BACK BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL WITH SOME PRETTY CLEAR POLICY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH MARIJUANA AND AND WE WEAVE TO WK ON NAME TO SOMEBODY SAID DEVIL'S LETTUCE AND WE WEREN'T SURE THAT THAT WAS THE APPROPRIATE TITLE FOR A WORKING GROUP BUT DIDN'T MEAN TO MAKE LIGHT OF THAT BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT. THE OTHER THING I WOULD I WOULD NOTE IS THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT LOCAL HOUSING DOLLARS THAT ARE AVAILABLE THROUGH A SALES TAX IN ADDITION TO THAT AND THE STATE ALSO APPROVED PAID FAMILY LEAVE AND EARNED SICK AND SAFE LEAVE AND AGAIN I'LL MAYBE I'LL ASK MELISSA MANASSEH TO TALK ABOUT KIND OF THE WORKING GROUP BUT THERE ARE SIDE BY SIDE BILLS BEING REVIEWS BEING DONE AND SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU IF THAT'S OKAY MARY PLEASE [03:09:40] **Melissa Manderschied (City Attorney):** THANK YOU MAY REMEMBERS MAKE THE THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF CITIES IN MINNESOTA THAT HAVE INTRINSIC AND SAFELY LOCAL ORDINANCE AND MANY OF THEM GOT TOGETHER last WEEK AND TALKED THROUGH WHAT STATE LEGISLATION IS LIKE COMPARED TO THE LOCALS. MANY OF THE LOCALS ARE SIMILAR THE STATE LEGISLATION IS SIMILAR AS WELL BUT THERE ARE SOME VERY SPECIFIC DIFFERENCES TALKED THROUGH MANY OF THOSE DIERENCES TODAY INTERNALLY AND THERE IS A MEETING ALL DAY THAT'S COMING UP WEDNESDAY WITH JAMIE AND MIKE AND SOME OTHERS TO TALK THROUGH SOME OF THE DECISION POINTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE WITH REGARD TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE NEXT STEPS. THE STATE LEGISLATION IS EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST OF NEXT YEAR AND OUR LEGISLATION IS EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST. SO HAVE BEEN DOING A LOT OF EDUCATION IN THE INTERVENING TIME PERIOD SINCE YOU ALL ADOPTED IT AND SO WE NEED TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS POSSIBLE NEXT STEPS AND AND WE WILL HAVE THOSE AND THEY WILL BE COMMUNICATED WE WE ALSO I WILL ADD IN WORKING WITH THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE LOCAL ORDINANCES HAVE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT COORDINATING OUR EDITS IN OUR AMENDMENTS IF THERE ARE SOME SUCH WE ARE CONSISTENT ACROSS JURISDICTIONS MANY OF US SHARE BOUNDARIES AND WE WANT TO MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR BUSINESSES COMPLY ANYBODY ELSE THEN? [03:11:05] **Mike Sable:** WELL MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS I THINK THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD ADD IS THAT THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PUT IN A SIGNIFICANT NEARLY HALF A BILLION DOLLARS OR MORE INVESTMENT IN THE CHIPS ACT IN MINNESOTA FORWARD AND MAKING SURE THAT THERE ARE SMART INVESTMENTS IN SEMICONDUCTOR TECHNOLOGY AND BLOOMINGTON WOULD WILL LIKE BLOOMINGTON BUSINESSES WILL LIKELY BENEFIT FROM THAT PROVISION IN E BILL A I SEE CITY MANAGER FOR BRIDGES HEAD POPPED UP ON THE SCREEN AND SO I'M PRESUMING HE MAY WANT TO WEIGH IN ON ALL OF THE THINGS THAT I MISSED. GOOD EVENING, MR. BRUIN. [03:11:45] **Jamie Verbrugge (City Manager):** THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. GOOD EVENING. I DON'T THINK THAT MIKE MISSED MUCH OF ANYTHING SO JUST A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT THE SOUTH METRO PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING CENTER WHICH IS A JOINT OPERATION OF THE JOINT POWERS ORGANIZATION OF THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON, INDIANA UNIVERSITY AND THE METROPOLITAN AIRPORTS COMMISSION ALSO RECEIVED $2 MILLION IN THE BONDING BILL THAT IS GOING TOWARDS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT THERE TO ENHANCE THAT FACILITY FOR PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING PURPOSES. SO WE WERE VERY PLEASED TO SEE THAT AND THE OTHER THE OTHER THING I'D SAY IS THAT AS HAS BEEN REMARKED UPON BY MANY PEOPLE THIS HAS BEEN THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL SESSION IN RECENT MEMORY OR EVEN NOT IN RECENT MEMORY. HOWEVER, HOWEVER FOLKS FEEL ABOUT THAT WHAT IT MEANS IS THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT THAT WE GOING TO HAVE TO ABSORB AS MIKE REFERENCED WORKING WITH OUR friends AT THE LEAGUE OF MINNESOTA CITIES AND ALSO AT METRO CITIES THEY BE PROVIDING US SIGNIFICANT SUMMARY FOR ALL OF THE BILLS THAT HAVE ASKED RELATIVE TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND WE HAVE A SERIES OF ISSUES THAT WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK TO THE COUNCIL ON DEPDING ON WHAT WE LEARN OVER THE NEXT MONTH OR TWO. BUT IT IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WORK THAT HAS HAPPENED AND WE'VE WE'VE GOT A FAIR AMOUNT OF WORK GOING FORWARD JUST TO STUDY THAT AND NOT JUST FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE BUT I'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE SEEING THE BILLS THAT ARE PASSING AND HOPING THERE IS OPPORTUNITY THAT ARE BEING PURSUED FOR SOME OF THOSE COUNCIL'S STRATEGIC GOALS AND WE'LL BE LOOKING AT WHETHER THAT'S A POSSIBILITY AS WELL. SO MUCH MORE TO COME ON THE LEGISLATIVE STUFF I DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL OF OUR STAFF WHO HAVE WORKED REALLY HARD TRACKING ISSUES ON THE LEGISLATIVE FRONT AND TO MIKE FOR GETTING ON STAFF AND I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE WORK OF OUR LOBBY TEAM THAT HAD A REALLY GOOD SESSION REPRESENTING RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES AND VISITORS IN BLOOMINGTON I THINK THAT YOU KNOW WE HAVE WE HAVE A LOT TO BE PROUD OF IN TERMS OF HOW OUR DELEGATION ADVOCATED FOR US AND THE RESULTS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE SESSION. [03:14:15] **Mayor Tim Busse:** THANK YOU, MR. WEBER. WE COULDN'T AGREE MORE ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEED TO THANK OUR LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION WHO DID OUTSTANDING WORK THIS SESSION SUPPORTING AND BRINGING BLOOMINGTON ISSUES FORWARD. SO WE HAVE TO REMEMBER TO BE THANKING OUR DELEGATION AS OFTEN AS WE CAN WHEN WE SEE THEM AND I ALSO AGREE COMPLETELY WITH YOUR COMMENTS THAT THIS WAS THES IT HAENS TYPE REPORT AND WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE TO LEARN ABOUT THIS AS WE GO. AND SO I OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS WE'RE GOING TO BE HEARING MORE AND MORE ABOUT THESE BILLS HAVE PASSED THEIR IMPACT ON BLOOMINGTON AND WHAT THE NEXT STEPS ARE GOING TO BE IN TERMS OF PROGRAM ALL THE FUNDING THAT'S COMING IN , WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO PREPARE FOR IT AND MAKE THE MOST OUT OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE HERE. COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO [03:15:10] **Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** I THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I A QUESTION AND MAYBE MR. FAROOQI KNOWS IF IF SABLE DOESN'T KNOW I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A GROUP OF FOLKS WORKING HARD TO INCREASE THE FUNDING FOR THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION FUND. DO WE KNOW IF THAT AND IF SO BY WHAT AMOUNT? [03:15:30] **Mike Sable:** MR. MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IN THE MOMENT BUT IF YOU GIVE ME ABOUT 40 SECONDS I CAN DO MY BEST. [03:15:40] **Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** THANK YOU THAT THAT'S A ME IT'S A WAY FOR ME TO PLUGHAT WE SHOULD GO GET SOME OF THAT. YOU SEE THAT HOW THAT WORKED. [03:15:50] **Mayor Tim Busse:** I SEE THAT, YEAH. OKAY JUST OUT OF THAT THANKS JUST ADDED TO THE PILE IT SOUNDS LIKE. YOU COUNSEL ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? WELL, I THINK IT WAS A YES. IT CERTAINLY WAS A CONSEQUENTIAL SESSION AND I THINK WE'VE GOT A LOT TO BE HAPPY ABOUT HERE IN BLOOMINGTON AND STILL MORE WORK TO BUT I THINK WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS. A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TOOK LESS THAN 40 SECONDS. MR. SABLE [03:16:35] **Mike Sable:** MAYOR MEMBERS HAVE GOTTEN GOOD AT THE FIND ALL ON THE OR ON THE SEARCH IN THE TRANSPORTATION BILL THERE'S MILLION DOLLARS IN FISCAL YEAR 2024 FOR MATCHES TO FEDERAL AID TO TRANSIT AND ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS 40 MILLION [03:16:50] **Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** I THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EXACTLY THE THING I'M THINKING OF BUT THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD NUMBER . IT'S NOT A BAD NUMBER RIGHT NOW. I MEAN THERE WHAT I'M SAYING, MR. MAYOR, IS THAT THERE IS AN ACTUAL ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION FUND THAT NEEDS TO BE PLICITLY FUNDEDND THAT DIDN'T SND LIKE IT WAS AN EXPLICIT FUNDING ITEM FOR THAT FUND. THAT'S OKAY. MAYBE IT WILL BE. [03:17:15] **Mike Sable:** MR. SABLE, THANKS. THE $19.5 MILLION IN TRANSFER FROM THE GENERAL FUND THE ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION ACCOUNT UNDER MINNESOTA STATUTE ONE 74.38 NUMBER. [03:17:25] **Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** THAT'S THEM. THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S A INCREASE IN ALMOST $10 MILLION. JUST GREAT. [03:17:30] **Mayor Tim Busse:** GOOD. WELL GOOD. WELL, THANK YOU, MR. SABLE. THANK YOU, MR. BRUIN. ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? NO NO. VERY GOOD. AND WE WILL move TO OUR FINAL ITEM OF THE EVENING AS IT TYPICALLY IS ITEM 5.3 IS OUR CITY COUNCIL POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE. OUR FIRST ITEM OF COURSE IS OUR RECAP OF OUR LISTENING IN THE LISTENING SESSION WE DID NOT HAVE ANYBODY STOP BY TONIGHT FOR A LISTENING SESSION SO WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY AND WE DIDN'T HAVE A LISTENING SESSION. WELL, WE DID HAVE LISTENING SESSION. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYONE STOP BY FOR THE LISTENING SESSION SO NOTHING TO REPORT THERE MR. FERRARI ANYTHING CITY MANAGER STANDPOINT [03:18:25] **Jamie Verbrugge:** YES SIR. THANK YOU MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO NOTIFY THE COUNCIL WE HAD A LATE BREAKING TRAVEL FOR THE MAYOR COMING UP ON MAY 31ST. JUNE 1ST WE DIDN'T HAVE THE DETAILS OF THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE TO PUT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT SO FOLLOWING OUR TRAVEL POLICY THAT WE UPDATED RELATED TO COUNCIL TRAVEL THE CITY MANAGER APPROVES THE TRAVEL NOTIFIES THE COUNCIL AND THEN WE WILL BRING ACTION AT THE JUNE 5TH MEETING TO RATIFY THE TRAVEL. THE PURPOSE IS TO ATTEND AN EVENT THAT IS BEING COORDINATED BY THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND ALSO SO IT'S FOCUSED ON A LITTLE BIT ON THE EXPO AND THEN ALSO ON INFRASTRUCTURE. SO THE MAYOR WILL BE ATTENDING THAT MEETING NEXT WEEK I WILL SEND A FOLLOW UP COMMUNICATION TO COUNCIL WITH THE ESTIMATED COSTS ONCE WE HAVE THAT SUMMARIZED [03:19:25] **Mayor Tim Busse:** COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? RY GOOD. YTHING ELSE MR. RUDY? NOT ALL RIGHT. BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO THE COUNCIL, ONE THING THAT I WANT TO ADD WE ALL HAD A BUSY SATURDAY. I KNOW WE ALL DID AND IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL SATURDAY BUT BETWEEN THE PUBLIC WORKS OPEN HOUSE THE DEPARTMENT OPEN HOUSE AND EVERYTHING ELSE GOING ON IN YOUR PRIVATE LIVES AND EVERYTHING ELSE IT WAS A VERY BUSY SATURDAY. ONE THING THAT I HAD THE PRIVILEGE DOING WAS BEING IN ATTENDANCE AT THE ST LUKE'S 100TH ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET HERE FROM CITY HALL AND IT WAS JUST IT WAS A WONDERFUL CELEBRATION . IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS A CHURCH FOUNDED IN 1923 WHEN THIS WAS KNOWN AS OXBOW NOT BLOOMINGTON BUT OXBOW AND THE DESCENDING OF SOME OF THE ORIGINAL SEVEN FAMILIES WHO FOUNDED THAT CHURCH ARE STILL IN BLOOMINGTON. SO CONGRATULATIONS TO ST LUKE'S FOR 100 YEARS AND THANKS MUCH FOR THE INVITATION TO BE PART OF IT. IT WAS A lot OF FUN. THANKS MUCH COUNSEL. ANYTHING TO ADD THIS EVENING? COUNCILMEMBER [03:20:45] **Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AT THE RISK OF OF WELL THAT'S NOT AN ANALOGY I'M GOING TO EVEN COME CLOSE TO SAYING I APOLOGIZE. I LIKE FOR COUNSEL TO CONSIDER AS MOVE FORWARD HERE KNOWING NOW THAT MANY OF OUR STRATEGIC PRIORITIES ASSUMING OBVIOUSLY VOTING IN NOVEMBER WILL BE COVERED OUR PUBLIC HEALTH BUILDING THAT'S DESPERATELY IN NEED OF AN UPGRADE IN THE BIG AND SOME GREAT INVESTMENT IN NATURAL RESOURCES I WOULD LIKE TO ONCE AGAIN CAN IMPLORE THIS BODY TO CONSIDER TRANSFERRING SOME STRATEGIC FUND TO HEL OUR ANIMAL CONTROL FACILITY I THAT NOT A WEEK GOES BY THAT I DON'T HEAR FROM RESIDENTS WHO ARE VERY UNHAPPY THAT WE HAVE BASICALLY A 50 YEAR OLD FACILITY THAT DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE THE ABILITY FOR THE ANIMALS THAT ARE IN OUR CARE TO BE IN LIGHT DURING THE DAY UNLESS IT'S ARTIFICIAL BECAUSE WE TURN THE LIGHTS ON SO ANYTHING WE CAN CHOOSE TO DO YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE COULD GET A SMALL MEDIUM LARGE PROPOSAL WHATEVER IT IS. I JUST DON THINK W CAN GET THE CITY TO TAKE ACTION. WE AS A BODY DECIDE THAT THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO. SO I'M PITCHING IT THERE AND HOPING THAT YOU ALL WILL AGREE THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT. THANK YOU. [03:22:15] **Councilmember Jenna Carter:** THANK YOU, MAYOR. I AM ABSOLUTELY I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HEARING MORE FROM STAFF ON KIND OF WHAT THE OPTIONS COULD BE, WHETHER IT'S KIND OF LIKE OPTION ONE IS MINIMAL INVESTMENT TO IMPROVE THE CONDITIONS AND OPTION TO IS YOU KNOW PUTTING IN WINDOWS OR WHATER YOU KW LIKE I'M ABSOLUTELY OPEN TO CONSIDERING THOSE OPTIONS FROM CITY STAFF AND I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO JUST YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW THE INS AND OUTS OF THE BUILDINGS BUT YOU KNOW IS THERE A DIFFERENT LOCATION WOULD BE AN OPTION TO AND SO YEAH [03:22:50] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN, LET ME JUMP IN ON THAT ONE TOO. I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED IN US HAVING THAT THAT CONVERSATION AND ALSO I'D TO ADD TO AN OPTION OF MAYBE IT MAKES SOME SENSE FOR US TO PARTNER ONE OF OUR OTHER NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES TO SEE IF WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, GET A BETTER EXPERIENCE FOR OUR ANIMALS. YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE THAT WITH OUR PUBLIC HEALTH. YOU KNOW, WE CONCENTRATE ON THAT MAYBE MAKES SOME SENSE FOR US TO LET ANOTHER COMMUNITY TAKE THAT ONE THAT IT'S GOT A BETTER STRUCTURE AND SET UP AND LET US KIND OF MOVE THAT ON SO THAT'S I'D BE VERY INTERESTED IN HAVING THAT CONVERSATION SO I'M GLAD YOU TO BROUGHT THAT FORWARD AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAES HERE, WOLFUSTOMER CARTER AND COUNCILMAN DALLESSANDRO AND ALSO THE MAYOR ON ON THE HARD WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING WITH THE VETERANS MEMORIAL PEACE. I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT SEEING THAT MOVE FORWARD. I'M HOPING TO BE THERE THAT DAY WHEN WE GET THAT THING UP IN FRONT HERE. MAYOR, AS YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW AT THE OUTSET OF THE MEETING AND THERE'S JUST ONE LAST THING I WANTED TO THROW OUT AS IT IS AN IDEA I'M NOT REALLY LOOKING FOR COMMENT NECESSARILY TODAY BUT YOU KNOW GIVEN OUR MEETING TODAY AND WE'VE A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTIAL ZONES AND YOU KNOW, TRYING TO BE MORE HIP AND WITH IT AS MY WIFE SAYS, IF YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE NOT HIP AND WITH IT I WAS WATCHING A SHOW ABOUT PITTSBURGH AND IN PITTSBURGH THEY LITERALLY IN AREAS OF THE CITY THEY'LL HAVE PLACES WHERE THEY'LL TAKE THEIR GARAGES AND TURN THEM IN THE BARS. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT ACROSS THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT ALL BUT IT GOT ME INTO THINKING ABOUT SOME OF THESE SOME OF THESE IDEAS ABOUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME FULL COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO ARE A LITTLE MORE OPEN TO THIS IDEA OF AIRBNBS AND I KIND OF STARTED thinking WELL MAYBE THERE'S A WAY THAT IT MAKES SOME SENSE TO MAYBE LOOK AT ANOTHER ZONE THAT MAYBE MIGHT INCLUDE SOME OF THOSE THINGS. I AS A COUNCILMEMBER I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT ADA WITH AIRBNB AND ABOUT WHAT THAT CAN DO TO IMPACT RESIDENTIAL AFFORDABILITY. BUT I JUST I WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AS WE TALK ABOUT YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE MAKE THIS A REMARKABLE COMMUNITY. YEAH IT'S WORTH CHALLENGING SOME OF THOSE THOSE BELIEF SYSTEMS THAT EVEN I HAVE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY IF THERE'S A WAY TO GET A COMPROMISE AND MAKE SOME things WORK AND MAKE SOME EXCITING things HAPPEN THE CITY SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT. IT'S SOMETHING I'M THINKING ABOUT AND TRYING TO FIGURE HOW TO BE MORE HIP IN WITH IT SO OTHERS [03:26:10] **Councilmember Jenna Carter:** THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I THINK IT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION TO GET TO TALK MORE ABOUT THE AIRBNBS. I THINK ACTUALLY JUST COMING OUT OF THIS CONVERSATION AROUND THE HOU ONE ZONING I AM MORE WORRIED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE AFFORDABLE FOR PEOPLE BUY AND TO LIVE IN . AND SO IF PEOPLE WERE TO BE TRANSITIONING BUYING HOMES AND TRANSITIONING THOSE TO AIRBNBS LIKE WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE AVAILABILITY OF HOUSING IN OUR COMMUNITY AND SO THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN SO TO ME IT'S IT MEANS IT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION TO VE THE COUNCIL BECAUSE MY PERSPECTIVE HAS CHANGED OVER THE PAST OF YEARS. [03:26:50] **Councilmember Lona Dallessandro:** WE'RE GOING AROUND AGAIN THIS IS NOT JUST A COMMENT IF I MAY COME IN ON COUNCILMEMBER LOEHMANN'S POINT. I MEAN IF IF WAS A QUESTION I DO KNOW THAT JUST BECAUSE I DID THE LOOKING UP MYSELF THAT THE SHORT TERM RENTAL AIRBNB THING IS ONE OF THE 2023 PLANNING COMMISSION WORK PLAN ITEMS WE MIGHT BE KICKING OUT OF HERE IF WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DOHIS OTHER STUFFO. JUST BE MINDFUL OF THAT. FIRST OFF MORE TO THE POINT THOUGH, I THINK OWNER OCCUPIED AIRBNBS IS A SMART IDEA AND I WOULD AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER THAT WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY WANT TO SEE MORE RENTAL HAPPEN . I THINK THAT ACTUALLY HAS CLEAR DETRIMENTAL IN NEIGHBORHOODS BUT I THINK I'VE SPOKEN TO A COUPLE OF RESIDENTS WHO HAVE YOU KNOW THEIR ENTIRE FINISHED BASEMENT WITH AN EXTRA YOU KNOW BECAUSE IT USED TO BE A GROUP HOME OR IT USED TO BE A MOTHER IN LAW OR WHATEVER AND THEY CAN'T RENT IT TODAY AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO. SO I THINK I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO LOOK AT OWNER OCCUPIE SHORT TER NTALS AS COMPROMISED SPOT ON THAT FRONT. BUT I DO WANT TO JUST CAUTION THAT WE MIGHT HAVE JUST ASKED FOR ALL THE THINGS AS OPPOSED TO MAKING HARSH DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT GETS BOOTED ON THE PLAN. THANK YOU. [03:28:15] **Mayor Tim Busse:** I APPRECIATE THAT COUNCIL ANYTHING ELSE I'LL GET TO FOUR I WILL SAY YEAH LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE THE ANIMAL SHELTER I WON'T COMMIT TO SAYING WE SHOULD BUILD THE TAJ MY ANIMAL SHELTER HALL BUT I THINK WE COULD AT LEAST LOOK AT OPTIONS AN FIGURE OUT I THERE MHT BE OTHER WAYSO DO THAT. AGAIN, FITTING IT INTO OUR BUSY STAFF WORK PLAN AND, OUR TIGHT BUDGET CONSTRAINTS BUT AT LEAST IT'S AT LEAST WORTH THE TIME TO LOOK AT I THINK SO YOU MISSED AN OPPORTUNITY THERE, MR. MAYOR TO SAY TAJ MAHAL WHOLE NICE. VERY NICE. WITH THAT WE ARE DONE WITH OUR AGENDA CLEARLY COUNCIL I WOULD LOOK FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE TO ADJOURN [03:29:10] **Councilmember Dwayne Lowman:** SECOND [03:29:11] **Mayor Tim Busse:** WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND TO ADJOURN NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING HI MEOW ALWAYS CARRIES SEVEN ZERO THANK YOU MUCH COUNCIL FOR YOUR DISCUSSION THIS THANKS AGAIN TO THE STAFF FOR THE GREAT WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES AND THANKS TO THE THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO PUT IN A LOT OF TIME I KNOW ON AN IMPORTANT ISSUE TO THEM AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT THEY DID SO THANK YOU TO EVERYONE. HAVE A GREAT NIGHT