Hello everybody. We are back from lunch. I hope everyone enjoyed it. And we are going to move right into our PSL economic outlook. >> Good afternoon, Mr. Hunter. >> Good afternoon. Thanks for having me back again. >> Yes. Happy to have you. Well, uh, here to talk about what's going on with the local economy here in your city and, um, the news is the same as last time. Your the growth is happening. Uh, and, uh, if you don't want so many people moving here, stop being so charming and exciting and dynamic and such a great place to live. Um, people are going to keep coming because those attributes exist. And this is a great city, great place to live. And so uh I am a housing economist as you know um only because I didn't have enough personality to be an accountant but uh the way I look at the world sorry about the accountants that are moaning behind me. Um >> I don't know we do have a couple accountants here that have some great personalities. We got to give it to them >> better better than an economist believe me. Uh so so the way I look at things as a housing economist is through the lens of what economic development is happening in the residential development space and and what is going on. So I'm going to show you some graphs here on the screen that uh illustrate that. Okay, there we go. So no surprise uh residential development and migration into the area both domestic and international heavily domestic in this area are major drivers of economic activity in your city. So you have developments obviously like tradition and riverland and and others that are continuing to attract people and sell homes. Now you'll see in this graph that we saw an uh extreme peak in the year 2021. So during and after COVID obviously there was a huge surge and we've kind of stabilized at a lower rate of development since then. Still well above preandemic levels. Uh but the rate of development has slowed down for a couple of different reasons. um among those being that um interest rates have gone higher, mortgage rates have gone higher and that has made it uh more difficult for people to afford to buy homes. It's also caused what we call the lockin effect. And that is the people that have a three and a half percent mortgage up in New Jersey can't sell their house uh or don't want to sell their house and move to Florida because then they'd have to get a you know six and a half or whatever percent mortgage rate uh today uh if they move into a different home. Or if they buy from a home builder, they can probably get a mortgage rate buy down and get something more in the 4.99% range. And you know, sometimes that's a a permanent buy down, sometimes it's a temporary buy down, but there's still that gap, and that's still very hard to overcome. Uh the other uh big problem is what the developers call and the home builders call house to sell. House to sell means I can't find a buyer for my house up in New Jersey or New York or wherever because uh of the lock-in effect that we were just talking about. So all these things are kind of conspiring to slow things down uh whether we want that or not. A lot of affordability issues. The migration into Florida has come down uh very substantially from where it was. And part of that is um there was a pull forward effect as we call it. that is that people bought during that surge here in 2021 and 2022 who ordinarily would have bought a home perhaps in 2024 2025 and they moved their uh purchase forward. Um and so that pulled the sales forward and that meant that they didn't have to then buy another house in 2025 and that's partly why again the sales were slower. And this is a graph that gets into a little bit more detail about the homebuilders and their activity. So what we see here is starts as shown by the uh blue line and then closings or moveins as uh the the green line. So closings had outpaced starts back in 2024 but now this year the two have come back into alignment with one another. And this graph again kind of goes to that topic of the cost of ownership. So this is the rising cost to own. So what we're looking at here is a few examples of houses that somebody might buy uh within the city of Port St. Lucy. So the median price uh house comes with a monthly payment all in including you know PMI uh interest taxes HOA obviously the the mortgage rate payment itself and maintenance and insurance. So all that adds up to about $3582 per month. And then if you have some of these other examples, the other bars here, specific homes within places like Central Park and on Becker Road, uh it just shows you that you you could easily be up to $3,900 a month for a monthly payment. And here is uh the median price, 410,000 as of December 2025. And the median price has appreciated 7.9% since January 23. So we are seeing uh home prices have gone higher. They've kind of leveled off and flattened in in uh recent months and year in the last year. And the homebuilders are offering concessions and incentives to get people to buy their homes. Um the homebuilders are are feeling a pinch. Uh last year uh they did experience slower sales and higher concessions on those homes. Um especially on the active adult communities. Um the families are continuing to to come here and and happily buying homes because your job growth uh is is continuing a pace and people are relocating here for work. But the the retirees are slowing down at the moment partly because um the uh retirey buyer typically doesn't have the urgency that somebody does if they have gotten a new job in Port St. Lucy and they have to move. Uh that person has to to move and either rent or buy a house. Um in the case of retirees, they can just say I can just wait another year and see how things go. Maybe they're worried about the economy. Maybe they're wor worried about politics um or uh just housetoell problem again. But what you also have going for you besides the dynamic exciting economy here is that you are less expensive than West Palm Beach. For example, uh this shows several different cities um including Port St. Lucy shown as the light blue bar. It's kind of near the the bottom there. Co Cape Coral is the green line that's just underneath you. And these are just the the municipal areas themselves, not the not the uh uh MSA, but the city itself. Tampa is shown as the dark green, West Palm Beach at the very top there is the uh the blue line and St. Petersburg for good measure is shown just to illustrate the west coast. And that is uh the the green line u that's just below West Palm Beach. So, so you're looking at the uh quite a spread between city of West Palm Beach and city of Fort St. Lucy. Um, and people are uh increasingly moving here because it is more affordable and you can get the lifestyle and a little bit less of the hustle bustle and and that is a key driver for the migration out of South Florida. for my whole career. I've been studying this market um and your city for my whole career about 40 years now. And throughout that whole period, the story has been the same. The growth is moving from south to north. At first it was people moving out of Miami Dade County into Broward County, then Broward County into Palm Beach County, Palm Beach, and then kind of skipped over Martin County uh to a large degree because of the the very restrictive attitudes towards development there and came here. And that is um you know, this just illustrates very clearly the cost savings. I remember back in the uh in the 2000s there was a billboard on I95 coming out of northern Palm Beach County that said save $2,000 per mile go by in Port St. Lucy. Um today there would probably be a three or $4,000 per mile number. Um a topic comes up a lot when thinking about uh the housing market which is inventory. um that a lot of the builders uh nationwide have seen a piling up of inventory of unsold homes. That is not very much in evidence here in your market. Uh here I've graphed the different markets that that I showed you a moment ago, the different cities. And West Palm Beach has 6.1 months of supply of inventory of new homes. And Port St. Lucy has only 4.6 months of supply, which is actually a fairly low level. It did spike up a little bit last year, but it's come back down. And here we're looking at the um inventory compared to sales and sales um prices of homes. And we see the home prices, as I said, are settling in that $400,000 range, kind of edging down just very slightly in the latest year. And again, inventories are uh higher than they had been for sure, but still on a months of supply basis, they're not a problem overall. So, one of the things that also comes up a lot is what about mortgage rates? That's been a big issue that has slowed down sales. It's made it a lot harder for people to afford a home. And there have been some uh moves and announcements uh being driven by the White House that have uh possibly uh set us up for some lower mortgage rates. And I have two kids. They are 12 and nine years old. And they've heard me talking uh to to colleagues and clients about mortgage rates and how they've typically been in the range of six, seven%. And uh so you know, for some reason that makes them crack up. Uh if you know, you know. Um but now the the possibility exists that we'll start hearing uh numbers that are below 6%. We could see mortgage rates dip slightly below six and and get into the five range and then I can stop making my kids laugh. Um and it probably make a lot of other people happy. But it's not as simple as just saying, "Okay, we're going to have Fanny and Freddy start buying mortgage back securities on the secondary market and spend $200 billion and that fixes everything." Um, I think that that move, if it goes uh into effect, will bring down mortgage rates for a short period of time. So, get ready to lock in. Uh, but I don't think that that it will be enough. $200 billion, after all, sounds like a lot of money, but it's not. in the in the realm of bond markets. Um, just to put that into perspective for you, when the Federal Reserve Board started buying mortgage back securities in the great financial crisis, they spent $1.2 trillion. Yeah. A trillion here and a trillion there. Pretty soon you're talking about real money. So, that puts that into perspective. The $200 billion that is being talked about now will probably not keep interest rates low for very long. And there are a lot of factors that are pushing interest rates around that the Fed can't control. And that kind of leads me to this topic which is there is a new Fed chair coming in. Uh by the way um the the current chair uh will probably stay as part of the Fed but just not be the chair anymore. So Kevin Worsh is coming in. And the interesting thing about this is that um if you look at his past remarks and his attitudes towards what the Fed should do, it doesn't seem like it lines up very much with what President Trump would like to have happen. Trump would like mortgage rates to come down. Um but uh Worsh historically has been staunchly against buying mortgage back securities. uh and thinks that that uh process of buying bonds by the Fed went way too far. Um he also has been uh a bit hawkish about inflation and not wanting to lower rates too much. But lately he has changed his tune and he has started saying well now with AI we're going to be able to grow the economy faster without creating a whole lot of inflation and that means that we could push down interest rates. However, if you're not going to buy bonds as at the Fed, then your only lever is the federal funds rate, and that is a very short-term interest rate. When you when the Fed lowers short-term interest rates, they have no control whatsoever over what happens to long-term interest rates. And in fact, we've seen this happen many times before. When the Fed lowers short-term interest rates, sometimes the long end of the yield curve goes higher, and that's where mortgage rates live. So, it could actually be very difficult to get mortgage rates um higher. So, this gesture that Kevin Worsh is making, I labeled it here. Here's Worsh's historical policy stance. And oops, I went back the wrong ah dang it, ruined my joke. Okay. Worsh's historical policy stance on that side. Trump's stance on the other side. um and they are pretty far apart from one another. I don't think that's really what Worsh was talking about when he made this this gesture, but uh that's what occurred to me. So, here is a graph showing the holders of mortgage back security debt. And what we see is that Fanny and Freddy, shown by that blue uh region, have seen their holdings dwindle. And today, they have very little. they only added $69 billion worth of mortgage back securities to their balance sheet in the second half of 2025. And then the Fed uh that's the the yellow color at the bottom. Uh of course they like I said they spent $1.2 trillion. And you know I don't think that there's any likelihood that the Fed is going to go back into buying mortgage back securities. Therefore there's probably um a limited prospect for getting mortgage rates to come back down. And that's heavily because long-term interest rates are driven by things like bond markets expectations for inflation, which you know inflation is not as lower as the Fed would like uh inflation to be. And also we have these massive budget deficits coming up. And that will tend to compete uh in the bond market uh and drive interest rates higher. So it will be difficult I think to to bring down mortgage rates to any significant degree. So affordability will remain an issue and that means that your homebuilders here in the city will tend to continue to offer these mortgage rate buys in order to remain competitive and to be able to sell the number of homes they want to sell. Um, this graph shows the spread between the 10-year Treasury and the 30-year mortgage rate. And one thing that has happened that has kept mortgage rates unusually high lately is that there's been an unusually large spread between those two. Now, the spread, as you can see by the the right hand side part of the the blue line there, uh the spread has come down and it's almost back down to that yellow normal range. So there's not that much more room for that spread to fall. So again, not much of a argument to be made for uh significantly lower mortgage rates in the future. Possibly slightly lower. We could get, like I said, back under six for a short period of time, but probably not stay there or not go much lower than that. So there are two headwinds that the builders are facing right now that I've mentioned before that could start to improve. one was that lockin effect and two being house to sell those could get better for builders if mortgage rates do come down even if it's only for a short period of time and that uh is because as you bring down interest rates uh and by the way I talk about the lockin effect being that that person that has a three and a half% mortgage not wanting to go and get a 6 and a half% mortgage or 6.1% mortgage even um but now there are actually more people with 6% mortgages than 3% mortgages. So this um lock in effect issue kind of starts to solve itself with the passage of time. Um so so that that's start starting to go away and get a little bit better and that will help the builders house to sell again if people can you know generate more home sales. people are more willing to make a move uh because of the lock-in effects starting to subside, then that'll allow more people to sell their house up north, make the move to come down here. So, I think that we'll see um more activity for the builders and that means more population heading your way. This shows some of the uh the top master plan communities in the uh really in the whole state of Florida. The villages uh if you think you're getting strong growth, the villages uh started 3,611 homes last year. Uh Lakewood Ranch 2018, then skip on down the list to number 12 out of the state of Florida. and tradition is there with 490 uh 499 which is down from 617 the year before. And so all of this kind of leads to the discussion of population growth. So u I agree with the uh the population growth that you're relying on in your comp plan which does show that uh by 2030 we'll see 301,000 people living in the in the city. And that's a combination of seasonal residents and permanent residents. By 2035, that number goes to 331,000. By 2040, 356,000. And along with this population growth comes changes in the makeup of the population. And part of that is the typical household income is going up. So the average household income is 103,000 going to 115,000 by 2029. The median going from 79,000 to 88,000. And currently 37% of your population has a household income of $100,000 or more and that's expected to grow uh substantially in the future. You have a very diversified economy. Now, that's something that I harped on a lot in my presentation to you last year and that generated a lot of interest because you do have a lot of people in health care. That's 18% of your employment base, retail, construction. Obviously, this is a growthdriven economy. Uh but as you can see on this pigraph, there's a wide diversity of different kinds of jobs that exist in the city. Health care I mentioned uh because it is continuing to grow and creating uh more jobs and opportunities for people at the uh innovation center and you have the u the Florida coast medical center now. So continuing to expand the health care sector and and that's one where it does support um more of uh population growth and home home sales especially in these new home communities that rely on people that have strong incomes and and health care typically does uh end up being a high income sector of the economy and it has multiplier effects. So it generates a lot of jobs throughout the whole stratum of the economy. And here we see the uh improvement of the economy uh locally. We see that unemployment rate had pi spiked way back there during the pandemic and it's back down to 5% today. A very sustainable uh level of in of unemployment. some of the new employers that have moved into the area, Excel, Amazon, Cheney Brothers, etc. And then we look at net domestic migration into the area. And we compare that here to other counties. And so this is getting into county level data because when it comes to migration data, it's a lot more available at the county level than at the city level. Um, so what we see here is that Palm Beach County has seen a drop or actually negative net migration. So people leaving uh Palm Beach County in 2024, but still coming in uh in fairly large numbers in St. Lucy. Not as large as in 2021, but still a lot of people coming in. I mentioned that the active adult communities are struggling right now. Uh and the builders all around the state are reporting this and that this graph shows the top active adult communities in the state of Florida and their sales even at the villages which I mentioned to you um is the number one master plan community in the whole state. they've seen this drop in uh in activity in terms of new home sales. And again, it's because consumer confidence is very low and people don't want to make a big move when consumer confidence is so low. Consumer confidence, by the way, is actually lower today than it was in the depths of the great financial crisis. So, people are nervous about things. They're nervous about the economy. They're nervous about politics. So although the employed people are still coming down in pretty strong numbers, the retirees are currently hesitating. I think that they'll that that will turn around. Uh but right now they're just kind of in a wait and see mode to uh see how things are are turning out. Uh this just confirms what we already know that which is that home sales in Florida are driven heavily by the level of mortgage rates and u now that we have seen rates go higher in the past few years sales have fallen off around the state of Florida. I talked about inventories uh at the national level inventories have gone higher. This is uh showing three different kinds of new home inventory. And this is um the the orange is the under construction inventory, number of homes that are under construction uh in builder communities and the blue is the finished vacant home inventory. So those are finished homes that nobody has moved into yet. And that number has crept higher uh since 2021. But as I mentioned here in Port St. Lucy, you're not seeing a lot of inventory piling up. We had a little bit of uh of that happen in uh 2025 primarily in the active adult communities, but the builders responded here by reducing their starts and that allowed the inventories to come back down to sustainable normal levels. Uh this graph just kind of shows on a long-term uh span of time um what's been happening in terms of uh new home building activity. You can see the the spike back there in uh the bubble of Here we go. Get it to appear there. There the peak that was in 2004 2005 which was the bubble and the bubble crashed and we came down here and we've come back up and what's exciting now is that the home building activity that's occurring today is real buyers. These are people that are actually coming here to live. Back here in 2004 2005 speculators. These homes were mostly being built for nobody. Nobody was ever intending to move into them. They people were bought them from the builders pre-construction thinking they were just going to flip them, make a lot of money. A lot of people did. Uh but then after that, all of a sudden, the investors so-called all went away at the same time and that's uh what began to crash. And then this is the same kind of graph but comparing the different counties uh in southeast Florida among them being St. Lucy County. So you see that St. Lucy County has actually risen to be it used to be kind of a much lower than the tri county area to the south and now St. Lucy County is responsible for more housing starts than Palm Beach or Miami Dade or um Broward County. So with that, I'll wrap up by saying you have some headwinds and some tailwinds. Headwinds being slower home sales because of affordability, slower domestic migration and affordability concerns. and the tailwinds that you have boosting you from behind our strong population growth, rising household incomes, job growth and new employment and it's just a a fantastic city to move to. So that's why everyone wants to move here and our expectation is that this momentum will continue. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Hunter. I just want to clarify. You did state that is we're one of the top 10 fastest growing cities in the nation. I didn't know if you wanted to cover that. >> Yes, that is that is an important thing to note. That's right. >> Yeah, we know that. That's for sure. Every other day we're seeing, you know, posts about that, articles about that. So, absolutely. Thank you so much. It was always very informative presentation. Does anyone have any comments or questions for Mr. Hunter? >> Just a general question because there has been a discussion obviously around regarding property taxes and um much discussion has been to address the affordability crisis. I am not you sir I don't have all these numbers and all this data >> but I would assume that if Florida is successful in passing a property tax abolishment that would probably flood even more people to Florida and would that would in your opinion would that make housing more expensive um because the demand is going to be there but the housing is not going to be ready for that demand? Is it gonna is it going to further create a problem with affordability if we eliminate property tax, I guess, is the question. It it's a great question and um I don't have a lot of answers to it because I it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to be very candid um to eliminate the the property tax uh because you would have to it's such an enormous source of revenue that is absolutely necessary to continue to run your city and to run every other city and municipality in the state of Florida. Um I don't know where the rest of the revenue would come from. Are you going to try to get it through sales taxes uh and just, you know, get the tourists to to pay all of it? I guess that's the theory. I don't think that would work. So, I I don't think that uh the policy uh moves to eliminate property taxes have legs. U I don't think it would be feasible and I think it would be reckless. But, you know, I'm not I'm not a politician. I'm not here to to, you know, for the purposes of stating opinions, but you know, I can't help it in in this case. Um, it's uh I think it's um uh yeah, I think it would have negative consequences, and I think that's the question that you're asking. It would have uh negative consequences because it would probably um not replace all the revenue uh to to just, you know, raise taxes on raise sales taxes, for example, um and tourist taxes and so on. I would agree with you in the sense too that obviously we share the same concerns with the issue of reduction of or elimination of property taxes and how that could affect service level andor other um you know or other methods of payment the the just I think the goal and from what I'm hearing from the state which obviously I think we all share in that goal is the affordability of Florida and the affordability of people that live in Florida today. you know, I have a child. I have two children. They want to be able to buy a home in Florida one day. And I I guess my concern is is if there is success in that, not only would we have the challenges of um how we're going to fund local government, but I'm also concerned of exacerbating the problem of affordability for the demand that could create nationwide. >> Right. And I would just say, you know, one possible thing to to um bolster your concern is that uh um impact fees are often used in place of what could be, you know, used for with property taxes. And the impact fees basically say, okay, the builder has to then um probably pass on that additional whatever 10, 20, 30, $40,000, who knows what the number would go to um to the home buyer. So, I think it would be disastrous for um home sales. Uh and and you know, you're as I said throughout this presentation, um new home development is a key part of what's driving your population growth. So, I think it would it would have a negative very severe negative impact on your economy. >> Thank you. >> Thank you again so much. Really appreciate it. >> Thank you very much. >> Right. We're going to go back to our capital projects update and go start with uh facility facility projects update. >> Good afternoon, mayor. Vice Mayor, City Council, >> City Manager, Assistant City Manager, uh Roger Jacob, uh facilities, uh construction projects director, and just wanted to uh go over a handful of projects that uh we're managing. And I'm going to go ahead and uh start with our project with the police training facility, huge lift. uh and it is a very fast-track project and we acknowledge that from the beginning. Uh the the picture there highlights the effort uh casting concrete in the evening hours and working nights and weekends. I think we've done an excellent job at performing this uh getting this uh to where we are today in the amount of time uh that we've been on the project. Uh currently we're about uh 85% complete. We got the landscaping site work remaining remaining and uh interior architectural uh improvements renovations going on in the in the building right now that remain and we're getting very close and we're very happy with the outcome and looking forward to completing that project. Uh our substantial completion date is uh March 23 as contracted and uh we're marching on with that. So we're going to continue with that. So, this is a perfect example of how to do a project and get it done. >> So, it's been really great seeing um the process and it is my hope that we can do the same with our public works building that's coming up because um the contractors been amazing. All the partnerships have been amazing and and to see it be on time and and getting done in the way it has been has been remarkable. So, thank you very much for that >> and thank you for saying that. Uh just to uh continue this this is a design build project. Yep. >> So we we started with uh our various departments we were working with uh uh with the chief here and uh we accomplished that and uh currently uh with the design build team we've been making a lot of progress. I think that was a very good effort. One of the things that I want to emphasize is uh something we've done here that we're going to be instituting with our other uh project here with uh public works is owner direct purchase. >> We we purchased uh $5.5 million worth of materials for that project uh under city of per port St. Lucy purchase orders. So we took delivery on those materials. We had them there ready for the contractors to construct uh so that those materials were not on back order and that we also had a tax savings of over $380,000. >> Yes, that is so so important. Yeah, >> I know that we do that over at the fire district as well >> and so to have those ODP savings is really great. >> So the next slide just uh to show the elevation there at the front entrance. The last presentation I did was a uh concept drawing. So, here's the uh the real thing. Okay. Moving on to the public works project. Uh uh we're we've been working uh with the uh design uh architect and their engineering team to get this accomplished. uh they delivered their uh final package, design package last week uh just a little bit ahead of ahead of time and we're planning on bidding this uh in June and uh for or for award prior to to uh that June date and uh we're looking at a 18-month timeline to construct this. So, uh, we're looking forward to handling that in the same manner with those, uh, clauses that I mentioned that are a huge benefit to the city. >> Awesome. >> Okay. The, uh, city hall, uh, interior uh, improvements and added parking project. Uh, we're indicating 100% completion there, but essentially there's some um, punch list items uh, remaining. Uh we're very close to uh opening the front entrance. We've got some minor things that we're doing there. We've got a separate contract for landscape restorations. Uh we've got the plantings in. We're being a little bit delayed on the sod because of the freeze that we uh had a couple of weeks ago. So uh we're going to be doing some uh excavation of the sad ears, getting that ready. So when the uh sod fields are ready to cut, we'll be ready to place that that sad and get that everything cleaned up. It's been it's been a little challenge with all of the various uh site locations for the added parking, but I think it really uh uh adds to the the issues that we were having uh or adds to providing a mitigation to the issues of parking issues we were having around the building. So I just wanted to mention that. Uh the next uh major lift uh is our uh city hall expansion project and our parking garage uh design efforts. Uh currently uh our uh uh architectural uh engineering design team delivered their draft programming package uh to us. We're reviewing that internally. Uh a big component of that was the uh space uh allocations and reallocations. Uh so we're we're uh continuing to work to solve that. It's uh moving target because of the uh departments that are going to be moving over to the peacock and other other things that we're doing within the complex. So our strategy is to uh look out uh 20 years so that these departments uh are settled for that time and provide the parking for future parking for those departments and the space uh for their uh offices. So we're looking at that uh design effort to be completed uh in about a year uh from now. Uh what we have to do is we have to uh meet with the council, go over our uh conceptual plans, reviews and and pull all that together and come up with a path moving forward on both the expansion of the building and the uh uh additional uh parking garage uh that that we're uh you know analyzing right now. and and the last of the of the of the uh five projects is our uh mid Florida Event Center parking garage. Okay, this this project's been a long uh coming project since I've been with the city. Uh we started our construction uh uh last uh June with the repairs with uh Suffl Construction. uh they have uh uh been working diligently with the city to take care of the issues at the parking garage and the uh main building. We have some structural repairs uh that we want to make sure that we're resolving for now and for the future. And with the uh uh United Soccer League moving in, we're going to be accelerating uh those repairs within the parking garage so that we can be ready for that uh for that time when they come. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Any questions for Roger? >> I'd like to make some comments, but go ahead. I think David wants to go first. I can't see anyone else. >> Go ahead. >> Just want to make sure I didn't I can't see down that way. Um, so first of all, um, I actually I just want to thank you for the presentation, but Roger, I really want to talk about the great work you're doing. Um, >> thank you. >> I really appreciate your innovation in regards to what you just said as far as funding and how we were going to how we're going to pay for materials, for example, in the public works building. Path of easiest direction is put an RFP out, hire a contractor, let them purchase the materials, and then that's all we just got to do is monitor the the progress. Um the fact that you took it a step above and beyond I think is commended as the as the city manager looks for a conservative um fiscal responsibility which we already do but looks to further that. You know I would love to hear more stories from the staff which I'm sure Roger is doing it. I'm sure others are doing it as well. But I love to hear that budget season too is those innovative stories of how we funded things to keep cost down for the residents because we need to tell that story because I know it's happening every day in city hall. I just don't think it's getting to the council. So, we're not able to provide that feedback of of all the hard work you do behind the scenes. In addition to that, um I have seen buildings go under construction and renovation. I've had to visit those buildings and by far I believe that the seamlessness of the construction process under your leadership has been incredible. I've walked into city hall and never once felt for a second that something wasn't accessible that I couldn't um that that looked disheveled. I mean even though we were under construction and you could obviously see that it was not messy construction. There was no dust. I mean everything was thought to a tea. And then finally, your project management has been exceptional. I can't tell you how many times I've been to city hall and things are running around and I don't have to do much but turn around and say, "Oh, there's Roger." Um, your hands-on approach uh and going above and beyond has been incredible. So, um I I just want to thank you for your leadership and I want to thank you for um for your application and your seriousness in in these in these situations because these are big changes the city needs to make to further itself. But it does come under scrutiny because the residents do see, you know, city hall and they're like, well, do you really have to improve it? We're able to not only show that we're improving it, we're doing it fiscally responsible and we're doing it in a timely manner, in a in an organized manner, and that's under what you've done. And so thank you very much. >> And thank you. I just want to take a moment to thank uh city manager, chief assistant city manager. I couldn't have done it without them. >> Thank you. Any other comments or questions? >> Just mayor. Um to the vice mayor's point about um direct purchase, we've been doing this for years, but I don't think we've done a very good job of really promoting that that we've been doing that. For example, the water and sewer process that we went through, all the pipe was actually pre purchased by the city, all that. A lot of major generators, a lot of pipe for our wellfields, we've done ourselves. So, really, we need to do a better job of promoting really showing what the savings are. So, we'll we'll go ahead and take note of that, make sure that we report that on a regular basis. >> Great. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Now, we'll hear from our about our utility project updates. Is that Mr. Miagic >> or someone else? >> Thank you, Madam Mayor. Yep, we got John E, assistant director coming up. >> All right, John. >> Provide an update on all the work he's been doing. >> Good afternoon. >> Afternoon, uh, mayor, vice mayor, >> council. >> Lower it down. There you go. >> Afternoon, mayor, vice mayor, council, city manager. Uh, yes. I just want to thank uh take this opportunity to thank you for giving me the opportunity to give you an update on all the hard work that uh staff has been doing on these uh just a few of our capital improvement projects. Uh without staff, this work there's no way it could get done. Uh so like to start off with the utility work that we're working on with other uh departments or agencies which is all the roadway projects. Kind of just going to skip over the public works portions of it since you've kind of already had a a update on those and go straight to the uh Florida Department of Transportation projects. So I'll skip down to the third Port St. uh Port St. Lucy Boulevard from Darwin to Alcatare. Uh the utility portion of that work has been completed. Uh moving on to the uh Port St. Lucy Boulevard from PAR to Becker. That project is currently under construction. The utility portion is roughly 30% complete and and moving on. U the next phase for the Port St. Lucy Boulevard is from Par to Becker, which is currently under uh design. It's finally starting to move forward a little bit faster now. Uh we're at roughly 60% with uh the construction time is at this point is estimated to be around 2027. Uh jumping up to Midway Road. Uh that's also a DOT uh portion of the project from Selvis to Jenkins. All the water man for that project has been relocated and now is in service. There is a few minor punch list items that still need to be done. But we are continuing to move forward. Uh Midway Road, the next phase is Jakans to Glaze Cutoff. That is currently under design as well. We're at roughly 90% design on the utility portion. Uh and that one is also expected to start breaking ground in 2027 as well is what we're hearing. Uh the final two projects are also uh public works projects, so I'll go ahead and skip those. To date, uh, the utility has, uh, approximately spent approximately $27 million on the construction for these roadway projects. Madame mayor, I just do highlight here, I think this is a great point where in the past you used to see public works complete a road project and next thing you know, you have the utilities or even their storm water division go ahead and cut the road. So, but this is kind of what you see where all the departments are working together to accomplish a goal where you have a finished product when you're finished. I'm not only that I'm sure the utilities also doing upsizing some of the pipes. For example, back when the utility was put in place, the water and sewer, they were not designed for the ultimate buildout of that pipe. So, you may see a pipe that goes from a 12 inch to a 16 inch or 24 inch. And that's where you're taking advantage of that where you're completing the project. It's under construction. you only have to go back there one time instead of going to that location multiple times. >> Thank you. >> And to your point, it does save the utilities some money because now we're not having to spend for restoration orot or any of those uh extra items that would had to been done if we did a separate project. Uh the next project is the McCarti Ranch water quality restoration uh area 7. Um this project is currently under design. We've went through several of the pre-design phases of uh the main ve main being the conveyance of the water from the C-23 up to the the proposed uh 7 7A site. Uh design is we're around 60% with the 90% expected to come in on the uh next month. The Primeville deep injection well number two. This is a deep injection well that we're installing at our Primeville water treatment plant to help dispose of the concentrate from our our water plant. Um, I do like to highlight on this this project that originally it came in a lot higher than what we were able to negotiate. It's a It's a $15 million project, but through the collaboration of the contractor, our staff, and procurement, we were a able to lower that that price significantly by allowing the contractor to have additional time. Um, we are finding with these these types of projects, there's only a couple a hand less than a handful of drillers that can do this work. So, anytime we can work something out to get a little bit better deal, we did I believe we saved $4 million on just by allowing him additional time. Uh construction wise, the all the casing has been installed. Uh the contractor is currently in uh cementing the last casing. Uh the 22 in is being cemented into roughly 3,300 ft. Uh once the seam ending process is done, they'll begin the installing the liner, which is a fiberglass reinforced plastic liner. Once that goes in, we will begin the testing phase of the well that has to meet all the uh Florida Department of Environmental Protection requirements. Once that's been accepted, we're the well driller will be leaving the site and we have a separate contractor coming in to do the above ground work, which includes piping and electrical. That was another savings that we were able to cut out of his contract. He wanted to to come in, drill the well, and leave. So, we were able to reduce that cost significantly just by having a separate contractor come in and do the work. RO F19. Uh, this is uh the construction of an additional well for our JA water treatment plant. The proposed additional well is to help address some of the concerns we're seeing with some of our existing wells for that plant. Uh far as water quality and some and lower flows that we're seeing. Uh this project is pretty much completed. The construction has has completed. We've done the startup on it. We're working on the final paperwork that needs to be submitted to the Florida Department of Environmental Protection in order to turn the uh well over. Uh we have some minor punch list items and then this world work should be done. We're hoping to have it up and running by next month. Western raw water man. Uh this is a water man that we're installing uh from the west to convey raw water from our new or proposed wells that are going to be west of the I95 corridor over to our JA water treatment facility. again to help with the water quality and uh flows that we are seeing. We want to make sure we have enough uh backup wells just just in case. Uh this is to install roughly 14,000 linear feet. To date, we've installed about 12,000 linear feet. So the remaining work is we still have to get across the um I 95 corridor. So staff is currently working with the DOT uh along with our designer to get that that permitted and approved. So we can move forward with that. And then we have a couple more uh areas that we have to do within the James E Anderson water treatment plan itself. The Becca Road water man improvements. This included both the installation of low pressure mains and water man along Becker Road within the quarter between the I95 corridor and the turnpike to accommodate the additional houses that are being built along Becker Road. When this was really uh initially installed, there was some missing legs throughout that. So, this is taking care of those missing legs. Um, this project was also funded by by the American uh Rescue Plan Act. So all this is being paid for through that funding. Uh this project is pretty much done. All the mains are in. Uh the rework on the road uh reconstruction of the roadway is done. We're just waiting on the uh required time to do the striping. So once that's done, I'm hoping we have that done within the next couple weeks and this project will be closed out. >> The uh Darwin and Becker parallel force main. Uh this this project is uh force main that needs to be installed along Becker Road to our uh our Westport wastewater treatment plant to help accommodate for all the new developments are going on on Becker Road east of the Turnpike. The existing main as was brought up before um did not have the uh capacity to handle the buildout. So this this main will help with that capacity in future years. Uh currently we are around 45% of the design. We're currently coordinating with both the turnpike authority and the uh Portland Department of Transportation on getting the permitting across the turnpike. Um and then hopefully we continue that and get this this project moving along. >> So I have a question. So for all the de future development that's going to happen, especially on the developer side, are we making them put in the biggest mains, biggest size pipe possible and so we don't have to deal with this later on and um changing out pipes like 10 years from now? >> You're referring to the southwest indexation area. >> Yes, that is correct, Madame Mayor. And they're required to install all the pipe. Um I think with our responsibility which we bonded probably 15 20 years ago was from the major pump station to the wastewater plant but anything behind that is the responsibility of the developer the lift station their gravity system I think that's another important part is that it would be all gravity system instead of the low pressure system that we have in the old part of the city >> right thank you >> thank you Southport 24in sewer force main Uh this is a project that is uh to divert flow from our waste Westport wastewater treatment plant over to our glaze wastewater treatment plant through a uh basically 6.5 miles of 24 in force main. Um basically the project is complete. Uh we've uh just waiting on the final letter of acceptance from the Florida Department of Environmental Protection and uh and we do have some final paperwork that has to be done because we did receive a grant on this as well. Also, they're working on the final reimbursement for that as well. Replacement of lift station NP13. So, this is to replace an existing lift station on Selvitz. Uh, finally, >> I know you drive that way every day. >> It's only taken 10 years. >> It is. So, it's a one that's uh has met its end of life and needed to be replaced along with uh we needed some extra capacity. We're starting to see that buildout growth and we needed to upsize the pumps and uh and doing so we we went ahead and did a complete rehab on it. Uh so the ex the new lift station is now in the ground. Uh power um the panels and all electrical gear are there. We're expecting to have the startup done at the end of this month and then uh we'll start the testing procedure. We usually let it run for several weeks just to make sure we get all the glitches out if there is any and then we'll begin the demo of the existing station and then we have restoration right after that. Uh Primeville water treatment plant generator replacement. Uh this is to replace an existing generator at our Primeville lime softening plant. Um we did receive funding for this as well. The major delay on this project is all is is ordering the materials. Uh the generator and all the electrical gear that go came with it. Um you've already kind of brought up owner direct purchase. The generator we purchased ahead of time uh to get here when the when the contractor finally come on board. Uh so we're expecting to have the contractor mobilize by the next month and begin the construction. It should be a quick turnover. Hopefully we'll be done by May of this year. McCarti Ranch water man. So this project involved the installation of water man out at the McCarti ranch to help serve the RV and the primitive uh campsites. this project uh all the materials purchased through the American Rescue Plan Act as well. Um this project is complete and has been turned over and is in service as of uh this uh presentation. >> Great. Because Dave wants to go camping out there, don't you, Dave? >> You got water now. So, uh the Westport wastewater treatment plant nutrient reduction improvements. Uh this is a multi-year multi-phase project. Uh con total construction cost is estimated to be $87 million when we're complete. We did receive approximately $35 million in grant funding for this project as well. Uh we're currently working on the first phase which would be able to meet the uh Florida uh Environmental Protection AY's requirements for effluent, which is the 10 milligrams a liter of total nitrogen and 6 milligrams a liter of total phosphorus. Um big challenge on this of course is doing all these modifications on existing facility as it's in operation. So it takes a little bit more time that uh we would like but we have to do it in phases so we don't uh mess up the current operations. Mhm. >> The next phase is to install a ditrification filter which uh will help us achieve the advanced waste treatment levels which is a total nitrogen of three and a total phosphorus of one. Uh that project has already been awarded for us the GMP. So we're moving forward with that phase as well. contractor is currently working with us to um issue the POS don't as again honor direct purchase of all the long lead items car the electrical gear pumps and the the filter itself. Uh this was another one that all the first phase we did do owner direct purchase as well and the savings that we received there is paying for the materials on the next phase. So that's kind of I don't have the total numbers, but that's kind of how we're we're seeing these large savings, >> right? >> Uh the final phase of this project is includes the construction of two reject tanks uh that are need also needed to meet the Florida Department of Environmental Protections requirements on us for uh anything that's going down our deep injection well from here on out. Uh we we currently received the 90% plans for that staff and our Seymar is also reviewing those and hopefully have comments back and and to them shortly. Now we get into our our new project. So Rangeline Road and Glades future injection wells. So, this involves two injection wells for our future water treatment facility that are going to be on Discover Way and one injection well at our Glaze uh treatment plant um for disposal. Uh we did select to uh to bid these two projects separately, hoping to get more bids. Uh again, this is a a project that there's only a few drillers that can do the work, so we're hoping to get as many as we can. The uh Glaze injection well has already been bid. We only did receive one bidder, so we're in the middle of negotiating and see if we can bring that cost down a little bit uh through negotiations. Madame Mayor, I think this is a good example of what we call a really good planning. If you think about this range water trim plant, this started 20 about 20 years ago by first acquiring the well sites locations for this um for this plant and through the whole process. Now you get into the wealth fields, you get into the raw water means going into that. So when people talk about, well, are you going to be running out of capacity? Do you guys have enough capacity? Well, this has been in the plans for many years and this is just an example of that. You just designed a project in five years. This this is a long road to get to this point. >> And if I may, Mr. City Major and Madame Mayor, um to his point, he spoke about consumptive use permit earlier today. these uh future wells were already permanent through D many years ago. So that that's one hurdle that again we've been planning for this for many years and now the construction and design elements there, but we already have the right to to withdraw those those rates and that's that's a big it's a big thing because a lot of people naturally are looking for water sources and and water plants, you know, across the state. So the fact that we had those permitted so many years ago, um we've been planning for this, so we're moving forward with it. >> Yeah. And and often when we talk about our utility, we talk about how we plan 50 to 100 years out in the future and what we're describing here and what we're seeing here with all the projects is that that's exactly what we've been doing. And it's exactly what we're going to continue to do in the future because one of our top priorities is making sure we have water for our residents for hundreds of years to come. So, thank you for that. They kind of jumped ahead on me, but uh so yeah, the the next slide is the design bill for the nine Florida and wells and roll water main. Again, because of the uh forward thinking, getting the permits uh everything set, we were able to come in with this design bill contractor. We're at 50% design on the wells, but we're already drilling the first well because the permit was already there. So we didn't have to go back and do a permit mod to to address that which takes several several months to to get through. So that's some of the forward uh thinking that we've done. So again uh three of the wells for this project is to help serve the JA facility. Uh and then the other six will be serving the new uh water treatment facility as well. Um again some of the casing pipe pit pip pit piping has already been installed. They're already drilling the first well. We're expecting to have a second drill wig on site in the next couple of months so we can actually drill two wells simultaneously to speed up the process. Um we're also working on the raw water man as long that will be going along discovery as way as well and that's roughly 30% complete. So the next one is the rangeeline road uh road water treatment facility. So this one's another multi-year multi-phase project that is going to be probably extended out till 2029. Um this one has already been uh posted out. We've re we've actually selected design build team. Um we're actually in negotiations right now for the scope and the first uh guaranteed max price for this project. We're hoping to have if everything goes well, we're hoping to start the design process in April uh again with a completion date of of 2029. And last but not least, the Glaze wastewater treatment plant facility expansion. Uh so this one is just in the planning stage. We are working with procurement to bring on an owner's uh rep to help us through the bidding uh bidding process for the design build. It gets a little more complicated when you get into these plants. So we wanted somebody that had some guidance to help us move through this process. So we're in in the process of getting them. We're hoping to have that to them in the next 30 days. Uh once that's been awarded, uh we're hoping to have the uh progressive design bill packaged out to procurement by October of this year so we can move forward with the design and construction. >> Madame Mayor, just on these projects here, one of the things we're trying to do early on is do the design and then when we get to construction, they go out there and bond. So that's why we're kind of pushing the bonding a little bit further down before we can um get the design done. >> Absolutely. Thank you, >> Shannon. >> Yes. >> Um, I just wanted to ask Miss Parmley a question. So, hey, SB uh 1014 in do do we have a status in regards to the House and the Senate and has it passed both House and Senate? I believe it did pass the Senate. We've been working with our lobbyist team and so I'll get you that exact um update. Um, but I think we've, you know, really working on amendments and trying to make the bill more palatable. That's kind of where the league is at, but I will get you the exact update. >> Could you briefly because I don't I want to make sure I don't want to speak in just to myself. I want to make sure that in case the council hasn't been made aware of this bill. Um and and Shannon brought up a minute ago to how we're planning ahead. I think it's important that we just let everyone know like what is this bill and why are we fighting it? >> Absolutely. We did um reach out to both Senator Growl and Senator Herrell because it was heard in rules um as well. So um I'm just going to give you the exact um and they did file an amendment. I mean it's related to municipal um uh util the it's outside of the municipal limits and it really really limits our ability to charge appropriately and be able to um safeguard the utility. So we've been working with the utility systems department passing along um feedback from them on our concerns regarding the bill. We've, you know, we really need to be able to negotiate and have that independent authority. Um, Senator Mayfield has been very receptive to amendments to the bill, which we appreciate, but we still remain opposed to the bill along with the League of Cities because it really limits our authority. >> And it also does it still have the language in it that essentially forces connections if capacity is available. >> Correct. And that's where some of the challenges are and that's where I'm going to confirm that the latest um because we've been in the workshop to get the exact language on that but is the force connection issue. It is the um just limiting I know that Mr. has analyzed that with his team. Mr. Manage do you have further um feedback on the bill? No, you know, similar. Yes, it it does still include the language that would would put the city on have an obligation where a resident or property owner outside of our jurisdiction or boundaries could come and we would have a a time frame to look at their requests and otherwise have to render a formal decision on whether or not we have available capacity. And so again, I think to Kate's point, working uh with legislators on um you know, improving what's written if it is still moving forward. Uh we certainly have concerns on what impacts that may be. I think we are in a in a good situation as it it relates to being we've been planning for capacity for the needs of a growing city. However, what implications should this bill be passed as is? Um you know, those haven't been contemplated to to some extent. what impacts those would have on our residents and our rate payers to date. And that's that's more or less uh the concerns that we raise and making sure we have that ability to make sure people you know should they want to be served by us that they're mitigating the impacts and that otherwise existing rateayers or residents are not um you know others are benefiting off of the investments that that uh they have made. >> Right. And if I would also add that I think what we're seeing is some legislation that we really have a lot of challenges with passing and I think there's it's like we're having glitch bills the following session to that fixes the unintended consequences that we're sharing the consequences early on. Our entire legislative team has been expressing that to our um to our legislators and to but there's a lot of um support for this and it is a challenging um bill to overcome right now. I have found that in this process it has been extremely successful having staff speak directly to the legislature versus even sometimes us. Um if this bill continues to move or comes back next year, I really think Mr. City Manager Kevin would probably benefit going to Tally or meeting with a rep when they're in town um and to the senator just because this be so damaging, Madame Mayor um to the city. We're we're pre-planning our capacity. We're bonding our capacity and if there's not language in these bills that essentially says if you already have projected growth entitled growth I mean we have entitled growth >> by by by ordinance essentially um you know that we can hold that capacity for ourselves. It it it scares me to think that someone would be able to come in and take our capacity um that's not obviously investing in it, but more importantly that we're holding for future development and we'll have to continue to bond um into oblivion at that point in time. So that's been my concern. It's another example of those unfunded mandates that come down and and and cause us to have to charge more and and it's um continues to be very frustrating for sure. >> Absolutely, Mayor. And I do have an update. Thank you, Sabrina, who provided me the latest. Um Senate Bill 1014 passed three um Senate committees. It's passes required committees, the comparison bill. Um, House Bill 1075 is in its third committee, which is the House Commerce Committee, but is not yet agenda. So, right now, we're playing the the battle of the clock, right? The clock is running out. Committees are going to stop meeting. So, um, that's one benefit we have in our favor is that it's difficult to get through all the committees. >> Yeah. And I I know our our lobbyists will be on it. I think it already passed the Senate floor, too. I thought I read that. I could be wrong, but you could ask Sabrina. And then my fear is it being in the last committee as they go into budget negotiations. This could be one of those things that ends up getting negotiated and it happens extremely quickly and then the question then becomes is how detrimental is this to the city of Port St. Lucy and then do we work with the governor's office to ask to veto at that point in time because that will be our only stop. >> Right. >> Absolutely. We'll work with all levels and communicate I mean all the delegation has been communicated with and we'll continue to fight that every level. Thank you very much. >> Yes. Go ahead. >> Um so I'd like to go back to number 13. So, y'all know who I'm married to, right? And >> you looking at this one? >> Yeah. Um, I think this one I had first had discussions 10 years ago and it was a part there was always a generator out there. Um, yada. And the start date was March of 25 and the end date of May of 26. >> A lot. >> I could ask a rhetorical question of is that normal? And I already know the answer is a lot less than that. >> Well, it's again it's comes down to material. So, uh usually the electrical panels are running 10 10 to 11 months just to get the electrical panels for these >> these projects. Uh I'm having the same. >> Wow. We may want to change vendors. Um >> along with Yeah. And then we are having some issues with getting the actual manholes or structures for this this size. That was another >> along with everybody. >> Yeah. Yeah. So that's the challenge is the materials, you know. >> All right. Um, I'm just glad that it's almost going and I'm going to tie a yellow ribbon around it as soon as it, you know, gets kicked in because I've been, like you said, I've been passing by it for for 10 years now. Um, >> I think that's that's some of what we've been talking about is maybe we can pre- purchase some of these panels to have them ready to go. We just got to make sure the pumps are sized correctly before we do that. >> So, that's the challenge on our side. But uh yeah, if we could order some of these ahead of time and have them ready to go, it it would shorten that time frame. >> I was going to say after the pump FPNL issues as well, but uh >> yeah. Yeah, that's that seems to be a common denominator with a lot of the jobs. Also, the the other thing you had mentioned, Midway Road, Jenkins to Glades Cutoff. >> Yes, ma'am. >> And I know it's in the plans. for the turnpike. So, the turnpike enterprise dot in their infinite wisdom has decided that they're only going to do a south off and a south on which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever being that this is like an evacuation route and we have nowhere to get on and go north and in case of evacuation you do not want to go south. I know that there were some issues with right-of-way purchase easements with the company to the north and then the other one of course is us and the fire district if I'm not mistaken. >> Um has has there been any movement on that? because I I think it's totally useless to do a south on, south off when we could do it all at the same time and save a lot of money and have an evacuation. I mean, has it come any closer or um is this really like a a DOT turnpike enterprise? >> Well, that is a DOT turnpike enterprise. Um I have not heard any updates on the ramps for the northbound traffic. Um I know we are finalizing and drafting an MOA for the rideway dedication that we need to provide to them where they're going to be providing um the new logo on the noise wall adjacent to the park as well as on the MSSE walls for the bridge and then also helping out with the drainage concerns that the fire district has. So that MOA I believe the draft just came in last week and we're reviewing it and going to keep moving it forward. But I will ask the DOT and turnpike project team for a status update on the northbound ramps. >> I I would appreciate that and I'm sure there's utilities that are there that have to be >> taken care of with the road construction that's going to continue from Jenkins to Glades cut off. >> Yeah. Uh with the expansion of the bridge, we will have to reborn. >> Yeah. I always I always wondered about that. You you widen the roads and you don't do the bridge first, but you widen the roads and then you go down to two lanes and go over the bridge. It just makes no sense. But then again, I'm not a traffic engineer and don't want to be one. >> All right. Thank you. >> Any other comments or questions? >> All right. Thank you so much. We're going to take a break now and we're going to come back in a little while. Thanks. Okay, we're back from break. We're going to continue on with parks and wreck. Hi, Brad. >> Good afternoon, Madame Mayor. Boy, that's loud. Uh um yes, for the record, Brad Keane, director of parks and recreation. Um good afternoon to to the mayor, city council, city manager, and staff, and for the viewing public. Uh it's indeed an honor to stand before you this afternoon and introduce you to Mr. Zach Sherman, who will present our facilities update. We've got a multitude of projects out there that you will see are in various stages of construction as well as planning. But it is somewhat bittersweet and I have to to mention this. Previously, I would have introduced Zach as our executive project manager for parks and recreation. However, I am honored to announce that or present today introduce him as the new facilities maintenance director for the city of Port St. Lucy. Now, having said that, like I said, it's a little bittersweet for parks and recreation, but I am assured with all the asurances that are out there that Zach is going to continue to administer and oversee our uh CIP projects, which he has done just an outstanding job uh to date. So, we look forward uh to our continued uh relationship and interaction with Zach. So, without any further ado, I'll turn it over to Zach. >> Okay. >> Thank Thank you, Brad. Congratulations, Zach. >> Thank you. I appreciate it. And uh thank you, Councilwoman Morgan. You didn't get my tie. >> So, you better take it off right after. You know what's going to happen to it. >> All right. >> All right. So, good afternoon, Council, Madame Mayor, Madame Vice Mayor, Mr. City Manager, City Staff, and residents. So, Zach Sherman. Uh earlier today we heard a shakuderie of projects from super Tom Salvador. For me you'll get a smorgus board. >> Oh I like this. >> Also earlier today it was mentioned that the city's uh this year is going to complete a bunch of highprofile projects and certainly parks and wreck has been at the forefront of that. See we'll get we'll get the right the right button going here. And as also was alluded to earlier, Tradition Regional Park is nearing its end. We're about 85% through. If you've been past the park lately, um, of course, the ball fields, which also accommodates softball, baseball, and soccer, they have been done for a while. We are putting the walkways into the interior of the quad. We're leaving one aisle way open so that we can construct the restroom. The second entrance which is right between tradition prep and the ball fields is uh the work's being done on that. You may have seen the maintenance building walls get erected and the roof. The BMX facility the entire track is formed and they poured quite a bit of concrete already including sidewalk. That track itself is anticipated to be complete by the end of February. You know, minus the cool looking sports surface, the blue and the St. Lucy logos and probably some railing for the start hill. Um they're confident that all of the other features related to the track like the kids uh training facility and the fencing and the sidewalk will be complete in March as well. The football field's been done for a little bit as well. Sidewalk is going in in between that multi-purpose football field and the BMX site. The three natural grass soccer fields have been waiting for the sod. Um, and that's one of the challenges we've had lately with the park. Now, the sad is going to go down in March. That's good. The St. Augustine grass for the whole site's going to also go down in March, but as you know, the lake levels have been sufficiently low. We got a workar around and those are being recharged and it'll take a little bit to regrade those three natural grass soccer fields, water them, get the sod down. It's rolled sod should be going in by March 12th. St. August steam grass will shortly follow. The site is energized so we can kick our irrigation pump on. The only negative related to the warranty obviously of these fields and the whole site work is that when that side goes down there is a threemonth projected growin. So meaning although the work will be complete and we can expect it see if there's any punch list items it'll be difficult to have somebody play on it for about 3 months. Um, the other challenge we've been faced with with at the park, which looks like we're getting through it, is getting those three restroom/conession buildings constructed. We did get approval from the building department. They've been a really big help for the uh baseball quad restroom and the soccer field restroom. Uh, those are approved. They're both with fire. The baseball quad restroom, that one we should be getting approval for any day now. So, it's been with fire a couple weeks. So, those still need to be constructed. Madame will be constructing those two buildings, the baseball and the soccer themselves, self-performing. And of course, the uh we already have a contractor subcontractor under Mike McIntyre for the uh BMX restroom. For the BMX restroom, we're just finalizing the floor plan, getting the design to 100%. We have to go through compliance on those plans. um show our grease interceptor on the civil plans, get that stamped and get that through permitting. All the other departments have been very helpful in helping us move all these things forward. Um they know a third restroom set is coming, but everybody's been very good. This was taken at the beginning of February. If you were to go out there right now, they have a lot more work done. Like I said, they're expecting to have this thing complete minus the cool looking um sports surface of the track and some of the start hill railings and things like that. So, they're really cooking out there. Mike McIntyre's crew. And this, of course, is what it will look like when it's all completed. Moving on to Torino. So, we say we're at 90% right now and that's because I am including the process of getting our 100% construction plans reviewed and also going through the building compliance. Technically, as of today, they're resubmitting or they are submitting for the first time our 100% construction plans. So, those will get reviewed. Um once we get those stamped, we'll go through compliance. The goal would be to make sure we're through compliance, have any comments addressed. Around the same time we take Birkhart's contract back to council to amend it and encumber all of the construction money for this project. We're really trying we're trying very hard to get this construction started in April to hold at least our pre-con meeting and get going, get our sil fence installed and all of those types of preliminary things. according to the schedule, it was May to have the actual construction start, but we're really pushing for April to uh to get this uh precon going. Um I noted on there, and I think this this was went before council a little bit ago, the county the county's chipping in an extra million, so their contribution is 5 million total. And so as long as we start in May, we'll be able to expend those ARPA dollars and get this park open sometime in the fall of 2027. So this is really exciting. That's our conceptual site plan that you've seen. Moving on, the stars and stripes. This park has largely been completed coming into the new year 2026. But in compiling our punch list, walking through the park and in working with other departments, namely public works, we identified that we needed additional drainage behind all the curbs in the park. And we had to redo the parking lot. Uh while we were in discussions with Madame to work that out and get their plans approved, uh all of the FPL parking lot lights were installed, so that's good. And our restroom was installed as well. We're still working on a few details related to the restrooms or the restroom. We're installing the grinder which should be done shortly. We had a a final meeting with utilities today about that just to make sure everything goes smoothly with the contractors. Now, when Madame May started the drainage project and uh milling and resurfacing this parking lot again, they projected it would be about a six weeks project. I believe they're two weeks into it. So, it's just kind of a general time frame. And of course we then and as they're finishing that up, they will be addressing any outstanding punch list items. There's a couple sidewalk related things, pa related items they got to fix. Few other small things as well. But again, just like tradition, we are nearing the end of this construction project as well. And when it's all said and done, it's going to be a very pretty passive, relaxing, reflective park. O Peacock. And I know at least one staff member, Keith Bradshaw, is very excited that we get this one done so he can go fishing again. So, he's been the number one resident calling me to make sure that we get this construction moving as fast as possible. But, we're we're moving at a good clip. contractor. Although the contract goes through July, I believe the contractor has committed to completing all elements related to the FERDAP grant by April 1st. The elements related to the Furdep grant. We have a $200,000 grant include the figure 8 trail that is going figure 8 concrete trail that's being installed the grassy areas and landscaped areas in and around the trail pavilions the playground and the on street parking. So they've committed to having all of that done by April 1st so that we can close that grant out April 30th. Um, closing that grant out is uh going to be a heavy lift for staff, but we've committed if we have to work weekends to compile all that paperwork, take it to the clerk's office, and get everything approved to send into the state. So, that that's our goal. We're on track right now to complete this. We're working with FPL right now um on the on undergrounding all of the overhead electrical and making sure that the restroom which we're putting in as well. It's not technically part of this project, but it's in this fiscal year as a capital project. Making sure that we got the power that we need for that restroom, the restroom's under design right now. Should be about two more weeks at least to finish design on that restroom. And then we'll be working with the engineer of record to do the design for the grinder and the calculations and all that so we can get that out to bid. And the goal would be to also have that restroom under construction while this is finishing up. And hopefully if everything works out well timewise it would be ready the same time the rest of the park is ready. So, and although majority of this park will be complete by the end of April, like I said, there will be some things that will be completing afterwards going into May and probably June. Wilderness. This one just got kicked off recently. This one's very exciting. 2.1 miles of 10-ft wide concrete multimmoal trail. This is going to be a great connector in between the Saints Golf Course and Pioneer Park. This will make the area more walkable. Uh, a lot of people do use Cambridge to walk. I've seen them push their babies, walk their dogs. So, this is going to be a great amenity for the residents that live there to be off the road and it'll connect to Morning Side and it'll connect all the people all around San Piper if they want to walk all through there from the Saints or even down south a little more up to Pioneer Park, which traffic will increase once that restaurant comes on board. And this will be a great amenity when that restaurant comes on board. So, in addition to the trail, we're getting uh new signage, wayfinding signage, a new park sign, benches for people to sit on, and then a restroom pavilion that will also be going into this project as well. This is an aggressive timeline as well. The contractor, who gave us a very excellent price for this project, has committed to completing the trail, which is part of an RTP grant, by August 1st, so that staff can close this thing out by August 22nd. $500,000 is on the line and it's in their contract that they need to have that done by August 1st. And this is just conceptually showing different segments of the trail. Um, we originally had it broken out by different colors because we didn't know what the bids would come in as and we figured we split everything up into alternates just in case it was too high. That way we could pick and choose. Luckily, everything came in at our budget, so we can construct all segments of the trail. >> That's great. >> Port preserve trails at Pioneer Park. This one, we already got the ribbon cutting set for March 4th. >> I I believe tomorrow staff should be able to go out there and take another walk through. Um they're really putting the finishing touches on it and we have a meeting set up next Wednesday anyways to review. um all the all of the progress and like I said March 4th 4:00 ribbon cutting there was a fine grant attached to this one as well 400k we're getting done about a month ahead of schedule so this one's really awesome to complete this one another nice walking amenity after having a dinner at the future restaurant >> yeah we need an update on that too >> that's not for you though >> yeah I Okay. So, Jen will probably be doing that update. >> All I know is I want to eat there. >> We all do. We're all anxiously waiting. >> And so, this is just circling the area where the Port preserve uh trails are. There's two connections to the existing boardwalk in the river. >> There's a connection to the Pioneer uh Parking lot. There's a connection to the grassy overflow area on the lefth hand side. And then there's a entryway off the sidewalk from West Morland. So, lots of different opportunities to access this preserve area. And as part of this project, it wasn't just the trails that we did here. We also did those seat walls at the uh boardwalk terrace and some curbing and fixed up the artificial turf at the boardwalk terrace. So, that previously there was some erosion issues. Uh the scope as part of this contractor's work was to address all that and they got that done already, too. This is just showing it what it looks like on a map. I think it's about a half mile of different trails, mixture of concrete, stabilized, and then of course boardwalk. And it's really nice. The best section is if you enter off of West Morland. So that little orange piece that's connected to the sidewalk and then come south. >> There's a really nice stretch of boardwalk through a wooded area. It's the prettiest spot in the whole preserve. >> The next two we completed. I I I don't think we were done the last uh the last winter workshop. So, the boardwalk under the bridge is complete as well as the Tom Hooper connection. And that would have been done a while ago, but FDOT had to do some work under there. So, as soon as we were ready to connect that thing, they said, "Hold your horses. We'd like to see how this actually works with you disconnecting it." Uh, but they got in there, did their work, we finished it all up. Um, so a lot of people are walking on it. I took my family out there a few times. It's pretty great. And it's great to get off and be able to walk somewhere to a restaurant like Lefties or that whole bridge plaza or when the restaurant comes. This is going to make the whole area more connected from the prominade all the way to the saints. So, this is awesome. Duck Court. We got kicked off on this one. Uh, this should be done by July. This is a smaller project, a little pocket park in a neighborhood doing a little trail, little on street parking, some landscaping, benches, pergolas. This is uh phase two. Um the current state before construction it was just a little nice scenic grassy area. So we're adding some amenities to finish this park off. Here's the rest of well if the first part was the smorgesborg this part this part might be the shakuderie. So those were all the major projects the major construction projects you know between tradition and Torino and all the other major construction. These ones are big. They're in the CIP, but they just don't rise. And last year, I don't know that we covered all these, but we didn't want to leave this off because staff is working very hard to complete all of these other projects on time in FY26 or at the very least encumber all of the monies. Uh, sportsman's uh well, Port St. Lucy Elementary site, we acquired that site and we're it's going out to bid to master plan the whole site. looking at the whole site holistically, not just saying sportsman's sportsman's west, we got this new site. How do we incorporate the new school site into the overarching campus? Um, what should we do differently? How do we utilize the school? It's in Risk already approved this. It's in legal review now and then it'll go out to bid. Related to that, we had some money in the current budget for the Port St. Lucy elementary renovations. Uh we're we're doing some smaller items out there, but we're moving that pot of money to FY27 because the master planning will inform us more of what we need to do with that site. So, we're just moving that out. Community center roof, that's out to bid right now. I believe that comes due February 26th. Minsky Gym, it's also in the CIP for the interior wall repairs. CPZ, I believe today, will send us the final bid set that we can then put out to bid. The Winter Lakes Sports Lighting Project, um, that's in Fusion right now. Uh, we had some comments. We're addressing those comments. We're in the process of updating updating the site plan to show the light pole locations and any related information to the fixtures. Okamic playground that is under design with Compan. We've completed the Whispering Pine security and fiber optic upgrade. Lindgate Park lighting is also getting improvements. We awarded the contract and we're going towards permitting right now. Riverland Parking lot expansion that is under design probably at because we switched gears in what we were doing and now we're um putting the parking where one of the dog parks won and we're reconfiguring the dog parks. probably 30% through that design now and we're doing our best to get that design done and out to bid and try to encumber the money for the construction this fiscal year as well. Parks entrance sign rebranding. Uh each park has a entryway sign. It has the old branding. We're we'll be awarding a contract probably in early March to Don Bell signs to redo all of the different panels of those um entryway signs. The green space this year is the Whispering Pines Greenspace. Staff applied for and was awarded a $25,000 grant to help with outreach. And I don't know if anybody went to um uh the one the second outreach that we did where we had the goats. So the goats helped us devour some of the invasives that were out there. So the joke all week was that these goats goats were going to be prehistoric goats and totally wipe out the whole space and there was just going to be a brown crater. But thankfully that didn't happen. >> They were good goats. They knew exactly not to touch the native and they only touched the invasive. >> That's awesome. >> And Zach, everyone that participated got a goat getter button, right? Because they were goat getters. >> Goat getter. Yeah, >> that's cute. >> Few more projects. Uh, PO Park security camera upgrade. Purchase order has been open on that. Jessica Clinton drainage base for baseball field. That's complete. Uh, we're developing or finalizing the scope of work for the Mccardi Ranch Preserve campsite enhancements to add electric. This this one's especially good having having this electric um in light of the BMX facility that's going to open and knowing that there's going to be people in RVs who are going to want to come Friday night and stay for the weekend. Where are we going to put them? Um when these campsites expand, that's an opportunity for them to go there and rent and rent there. And it's a short distance away as well, >> right? >> Stars and Stripes restroom, like I said, it's all in place. We had a the final meeting today with utilities. We're going to get that grinder installed. That'll be up and running shortly. O Peacock restroom, that's in design. Like I said, probably two more weeks, three more weeks max. We'll have that design complete. Uh Rivergate boat ramp parking where we um that's in the site plan review process right now. We got some comments. We addressed the comments. We got a couple more back. Soon as we address those, we can go through compliance and then get that out to bid to basically mill and resurface the parking lot and add some drainage enhancements. C24 security cameras, we got a fine grant for that. Purchase order has been opened. Sportsman's park security camera upgrade. We're value engineering the scope right now. Getting a little cost savings, but we're still anticipated to complete that this year. And keep in mind, these are all FY26 or earlier CIP projects. We're really completing the inventory of projects that were outstanding this year or getting them encumbered. So, this is a big accomplishment from the department. And lastly, I just wanted to point out um we've in addition to doing those projects, we've staff and including other departments, Al Martha and Nikki, we've been applying for grants. We applied for a $785,000 matching grant land and water from Mcznney. Um the Roser Lakes property, that's the photo you see here. We applied for a $1.5 million grant. Basically, it reimburses us for some of the money that we expended in acquiring this property. and Nikki put together this conceptual plan here that we could use the money on, you know, doing a mile worth of trail pavilions, maybe a little fishing pier, some stabilized parking and other and other small amenities that would still keep the preserve natural feel, you know, of the area. Nothing too overwhelming. Uh we're in the process of applying for an RTP grant for Torino. This would bring back some of the items that got valu engineered out of phase one. So, another trail loop, a trail that connected to the future kayak launch, maybe something along the canal or I know in one of the old concepts there was a connection from phase one across the canal to phase two. So, I was asking Kimley Horn, I'm like, "Hey, do you think we could get this grant and spend $700,000 on the trail that we value engineering out?" Then we started brainstorming and we thought, "Oh, if we add that pedestrian bridge across there, that'll eat that money up real fast." So, we're applying for that. We applied for well, we're finalizing our grant for the bridge plaza out parcel. So, the CRA is acquiring that little parking lot in front of I think it's Pizza Hut there, which provides a good connection to our boardwalk. So, that'll be a $325,000 matching grant. can redo the parking lot, do some landscaping, add some shade seating, and also add a restroom. The last one on this list is a CDBG grant of 250,000 for the River Place Park inclusive playground. I think we're just waiting for material delivery really. We and we can get reimbured for that grant. So, that's parks. And then moving on to the Saints Golf Course. The first two here we discussed last year. They weren't totally completed, but they've been 100% completed. Now, this is the new structure for the irrigation pumps and the fertigation system that's been completed as of November 2025. And this second one we talked about at the last workshop as well has been 100% completed. And that's that subsurface subsurface drainage installation in certain key areas. That was completed in November. And then this was one of the ones that had a four-year phased approach to it and that was um redoing the cart paths and adding new connections as well. Two two of them have been completed. The third one's projected to start shortly in June. And then the last phase would be June 2027. And this one here is 10% through. This is uh rebuild and refurbish existing course bunkers. I believe seven have already been completed in 2025. Uh this includes rebuilding the drainage, putting new sod in. Uh we're going to start more this summer in 2026. And that picture there that shows what happens to some of the older bunkers when it rains. It's just not It's just not playable. And the seven that were done so far, they're all good. Reigns, they're all playable. And lastly, this is one that we're the project team is working with Keith on. So, in the lower lefthand corner, you got this little fenced in yard area that has all been cleared out right now. And that's going to be a building for the mechanic so that they can work on the golf courts or any type of golf course related equipment, the mowers and anything like that. And then the area that has the roof on it, that roof structure will be replaced to have more of an open yard area for storage. And so we're just working through um we had to do a new site plan for the entire golf course and we're just working through uh the rest of that design for that. And so I believe that's it. If anyone has any questions on any of that stuff or if anyone has any more detailed questions about golf for Keith, >> we have many many projects in the hopper. That's for sure. and and it absolutely demonstrates just overall not just with parks that just how much we are working on um and I hope that we have lots of residents um watching this um because today's all been all about infrastructure so far right and so it's you forget right everyone's working on different things and we kind of forget oh what about this what about this but to bring it all together and to see just how much we are working on is a great reminder and it's why we do our workshops like this. So just incredible amount of work happening. Absolutely. So um I have one question about parks though cameras in parks. Where are we deficient in terms of um not having cameras in certain parks? And do we have a plan or are we going to work on a plan to make sure that we have that connectivity all around, especially as it relates to working on our real time operation center where we can have the ability to look at everything and and see what's going on. So, what does that look like? >> Yes, ma'am. Madame Mayor, um yes, there is a plan. Mike Kendrick is working with both IT and um as well as our uh various camera uh providers. Uh the vast majority all of our community parks have cameras. You know, some of the camera systems are older. Those are actually on schedule to be replaced. And then the other ca uh parks that are um in need of of uh camera coverage, we are working on a plan to bring those in the CIP schedule over the next few years. Okay. >> Anyone else have questions or comments? >> I do. >> Go ahead. Um first of all, just wanted to thank you for the presentation, Zach. And I know Parks is sad to lose you. I'm kind of sad seeing you go from park because I I I think you do a great job. But congratulations. I know. Congratulations on your new position. >> Poor Parks. >> But at least But here, at least he's not leaving us altogether. And >> that's right. >> And I'm I'm I'm sure parks will pull them and steal them when they need him. Right, Mr. City Manager? Here and there. Um so the Saints, you know, as we continue this discussion of conservative and fiscal responsible government. Um it's really important. I'm not going to get ahead of the presentation tomorrow. I'm not stealing the thunder of the Saints, but I do know that um from my conversations, they they're either they're either already paying for themselves or very close to paying completely 100% for themselves. Um meaning their budget is about net zero. Um and the goal to in the future is to if there's any overage in the budget that that would get to be put into a fund essentially to be prepared to deal with some of these construction projects. And so, you know, there's not a lot of parks and it's very difficult for parks to obviously pay for themselves because they don't really have a way to generate revenue. >> This particular property is part of our parks, but and does generate revenue. And I would probably say it's really hard for any golf course in the US say that it's actually breaking even at this point. Um, especially the the municipal ones. So, it's a huge it's a huge achievement and I I want to make sure I noted that because if people see projects like, "Oh, they're doing that at the golf course." Um, the other thing was I council, I do think we need to really have a good discussion with staff on the parking for the port and understanding what that's going to look like in the future. Um, I've had many residents ask me and share their concerns. We've had discussions obviously with staff and it's come up, but we really still haven't laid out concrete plans, at least it hasn't been discussed with us, of what the anticipated levels of parking are going to be and how we're going to manage that. And I think we need to do that. Um, you know, I think it was probably harder before because we didn't have an idea of we had the concept that Gurov provided and P3 provided, which was we want to do this many vignettes and we want to do this restaurant, but now that we are 100% moving forward and construction is moving forward, we know exactly what the restaurant is going to look like. We even know, I think when I spoke to Grev last time, he knows how many tables he wants to put in. We also know um how many vignettes are going in and how many how many people are going to be seated there. And there needs to be some modeling I think done of what that looks like, how many parking space they're going to turn over. We need to review our leasing agreements to make sure that we don't have any issues with botanical gardens or historical society to utilize additional parking within that area. Um, and then one of the things I spoke to the city manager is right now our park is open till what time? The Pioneer Park is it 9:00? >> The the playground's open till 9 uh p.m. The water feature during the water feature closes at sunset. Okay. >> So, the water feature may close earlier than the actual playground is is open. The playground closes at 10, excuse me, 9. Um, but of course the boardwalk is accessible 24/7, >> right? And I think we need to kind of factor those things in. What how much traffic is going because the botanical gardens gets to make their own time of what they want to open. So we need to figure out how much how much parking they're going to need in the evening because I think that's when the restaurant's going to have the most influx. Um, in addition to that, same thing with the historical society and then as well as the park. And the question becomes, do we keep the park open in the evening if we don't have adequate parking to make sure that we're not um we're not taking up spaces for the people that want to see the restaurant or go to the restaurant and be by the river in the evening. The other issue with the park is I've had I don't know if you've had the same concerns from people said to you is I don't know if I I I want to see kids in the park playing and people at the restaurant and people are drinking and at the tiki bar and those kind of things. And so I I before the it opens and before we have all of these concerns hitting us at once, I just think it'd be nice to have a workshop topic and flush it all out and do some modeling and kind of see I know I'm looking at chief right now. I'm sure he probably has some ideas too as far as what that looks like in the future. Um, and then also if we we don't have enough parking, where are we going to park people and how is how is it going to all function? So, I don't know how everyone else feels. I I think from a parking standpoint, it's something that we do have to address. We've talked about it for a long time now and what we can do to address the parking um and um there and it might even be that we may need to acquire a parcel of something somewhere. Um, we may need to look at some type of if we're going to be putting events on there, then some type of like trolley service for our residents because, you know, we can't just like we did with the um grand opening, we can't just keep busing people in. Um, I know there is a plot of land for sale on Port St. Lucy Boulevard in Allen, >> and that might be an opportunity for parking um there. Um, so I think we do need to look at what those opportunities might be. It's very difficult in the area because it's mostly residential. And so, um, I think there's going to be a lot of challenges with that, but um, I mean, we probably will have to address it. We're definitely going to have to address it at some point, um, in the future and hopefully while we're in this process before it gets um, built. >> Okay. So, >> Madame Mayor, um just to add to your conversation here, I think we should workshop this. Um you know, we talked about the land that we just purchased right next to the um McDonald's where we can go vertical. There's a new lift um elevator that you can stack vehicles up on top of each other. So, that could be an option. The other option could be a trolley system where you have two trailers going back and forth forth between uh on veterans because we do have some parking on veterans after hours. So that's another opportunity. So I think what we can do is put together a presentation and then present it back to the council and then we can make some decision based upon we know and you're absolutely right. If we have opportunities where we can purchase some of the houses right across the street, um that's another opportunity that we can create. Start creating small parking locations through our veterans. >> And Madame Mayor, question about technology with um our AI technology that we look at for people and cell phone data. Are we able to look up just Port St. Lucy or are we able to look up anywhere in the country? like is it just are we only able to look at our city or can we look at anywhere? >> Vice Mayor, um we can definitely check into that. I know we could look at certain areas. Um it may be something that we would have to um pay an upcharge for, but I don't think it's nom it's it's very nominal, but we could potentially pull information from wherever else they have. So the only thing the only reason why I'm saying is because being that these restaurants are coming in from the Atlas groups and they already have restaurants throughout the country. If there's a similar size city or a similar city that has a similar size restaurant, it might give us some data and some information to kind of know how many people are in any given area for that restaurant at, you know, at that time. I was just trying to think of how can we get data so we kind of know how many spaces we need because I think there's only like 200 is it 263 spaces I think total on on the entire site there's about 330 spaces including um surface you know paved surface parking and grass parking and that does contemplate shared parking between the botanical gardens historical society and the park site itself >> right paved is like 260 right >> pro probably about that so and we can definitely pave more But I think the um the outlook right now was to leave the areas as green as possible and use it as overflow parking until such time as we do need to pave it. >> And then have do we know if Gurovv has or is it in his lease are requested to have valet spaces? >> He has requested the ability to do valet service and then we would identify an area where that could be handled. >> Yeah, that's why I think we just need to have the conversation. Thanks. Y >> a lot of it we even though with even with some data a lot of it we won't know until it's right >> activated and we'll have to see. But to the point about parking um what about parking boats >> because we're going to have a lot of boat traffic. So I remember a conversation where we can add more finger docks and what is that? Can you remind us because I can't remember everything. >> That's fine. This was going to be in my presentation tomorrow. This would be like a preview, like an appetizer for tomorrow's preview. >> That's fine. >> Um, so we currently have um 12 boat slips permitted with our current um lease agreement with the state, which are the two that are already installed. And then we have one additional floating dock that would be installed down near Bridge Plaza. Um we have the ability to um essentially daisy chain on that and add additional links. We can't go outward into the river because you would impede the traffic flow within the river. um that would require permit mod with D and some additional um design for that to happen. But we've done some preliminary ones where it um I think we were at doubling capacity from the boat um perspective. So going from 12 to 24. >> Okay. >> I think we should probably plan for that and get get it going because it's going to it's going to happen. You know, we talked about before getting permitting before making sure we have it for when future projects are ready to get off the ground, but we definitely are going to need we're going to have a lot of boat traffic out there. I know we have the marine unit starting up soon, thank goodness, because once that um is activated, it's definitely going to be needed because everyone's going to want to drive their boat in to go to the restaurants and and to act and on the spaces. And we also looked at um potentially having a dedicated area for the marine unit there in addition to their existing location. >> Yeah. >> Are we going to let them, you know, they're going to do the floating docks eventually and the other side? Are we going to let them park there and walk over if they choose to >> repeat your question on where >> So the floating docks on the um Rivergate side because eventually we'll have floating docks there. Are are we going to are we going to allow them to park there to be able to access the boardwalk if they choose to? >> Yeah. So, the conceptual plan did provide for some additional dock space over at Veterans Park at Rivergate as well. I think that's something we'll have to look at within that canal area, how much can be achieved in there and still have the proper turnaround for launching and things like that. So, we're still reviewing that area, but obviously the connectivity with the boardwalk under PSL makes it a very um logical solution. In speaking with the city manager, we've also talked about reinvisioning um what Tom Hooper parking area looks like because that's another um great tract of land that we have the ability to go vertical on um without impacting, you know, a lot of existing infrastructure. >> Thank you. >> Great. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thanks. All right. We're going to move into half cent sales tax. All right. Good afternoon. Um, we had to do a little bit of a change in plan here. Um, Mr. Salvador had to go take care of a sick child. So, you get a colt now this time. >> Yay. Uh anyways, to get moving on the halfsent sales tax project and you know we're starting to run out of uh food puns, but I guess we're on to the fruit platters here that we're going to have to talk about. So you've seen this presentation back in November. Um we were asked to go back and try and provide some more prioritizations. So this is the update to those prioritizations. And as you can see, we've reached out to the LRTP and thanks to Mr. Everett here who is wiz with computers and spreadsheets were able to take their prioritization formula and provide those to these projects. Then at the citizen summit we also asked the residents to provide some voting and their prioritization. So again, as a summary here, we laid out 12 different projects, specific projects with locations, and then we also had citywide initiative projects that are not specific to locations. Then when we go to the project listing, you'll see the LRTP score here and then the citizen summit voting score. So what we tried doing is taking that data and information and then applying that and providing a staff recommendation based on that as well as any kind of traffic volumes and crash data that we may have had. One project to keep an eye on here is also the village green drive corridor revitalization. The reason I'm bringing that up is we are actively trying to pursue a build grant which would provide $25 million to go towards that. Um, from what we're hearing, it would probably be June when we' hear that. Time frame is not good for trying to select on keeping it here or not, but that is a big chain chunk of money that could go to other projects if we decide to pull the village green drive project out of the half cent sales tax. Uh, it's particularly important to consider that because, and Stephen, please correct me if I'm wrong, the projections for the next 10 years are approximately $174 million in sales tax revenue. And as you can see, 18 different projects, $174 million will not cover all of that. So this has always kind of been an approach of using sales tax with other funds, bond funds, road and bridge, you name it, to try and get these projects done. So what we'd really like to is engage a discussion with city council and try and narrow down this list, keep the list as is and we try and divvy up the percentage of the sales tax funds or do we try and you know reduce it because if you are looking at St. Lucy West Boulevard, the latest projections for widening that are roughly $120 million, which leaves very little to next to nothing for the rest of these projects. also Okamic drainage improvement projects. He had to see an update on that which we've already been talking with Caroline and Nate and we're we heard the directive to try and accelerate that. So, we are definitely going to get creative with the design and procurement process and see what we can come up with. Um, so right now we're just trying to ask for direction and I'd like to leave this up here and get some feedback. And if you have any questions on the ranking and the LRTP, we got Everett here that can help describe how the formula works. And last thing I'd like to say before we open that discussion is we know funding is going to be tight for everything going forward. So this formula for prioritization is something that we want to look at widespread throughout all of our projects. So these sales tax projects are our first stab at doing that, but that is going to be coming for all roadway improvement projects and Mr. Peter May is also looking into a similar type of formula to do that for drainage projects. That way we can truly be this datadriven approach and determining what projects to move forward with. >> So real quick, what did you say about Village Green about pulling it out? I I was reading this. So what >> So and Kate, correct me if I'm wrong. We are applying for a build grant to help get it constructed, which would be approximately $25 million, >> but again, we're applying, so it's not a given. >> So, you're asking whether we keep it or not. I'm trying to ask. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Well, not keep the project, just keep it in the sales tax. >> Madame Mayor, just going to our conversation that we're going to be having. I think St. Lucy West, um, the absence sales tax is not going to be paid for at all. So we don't want to commit all the dollars because I know that we're going to have to bond some of that part of it. So it will be a combination of so really it's more high level what's important to the council. Let's narrow down the major projects and then we can say okay let's kind of work the numbers and come up with um estimates because right now you provide an estimate and then tomorrow that estimate gets blown up. So, I really kind of want to work from where the project was appointed to the council and then see what projects are left, see where they are uh in the region as far as north, southou, east, and west because I think we want to cover the whole city. So, it's really kind of planning out the whole city, but understanding that um not all the projects going to be complete, but but whatever's left, then I can use other dollars to try to supplement those. But, it's really getting more of a feel for words, council, when it comes to these projects. >> Okay. But so the other component of this is we have mobility money >> and what projects are we doing under mobility versus what projects are we looking at here and it's hard for me to make a decision when I don't know what all those pieces look like >> like the financial part of it let us then come back and then fit the dollars the mobility fees dollars are also going to be used for the bonding because you have to find a source to to fund it fund that buying pay for it >> but what roads are in that plan like we I think we need a refresher of what's in that plan because then we can say oh under mobility under bonding we're going to do X Y and Z and then then we have these projects and you know because like you said we have to leverage right we're going to use some money for this and some money for that and might have to put some mobility money into >> put it together so it's hard to do it in my head just looking at this when >> okay so these are the projects and we identify are should be part of the half sales tax. >> I know. >> Are they're going to be able to be funded strictly half sales? There's no way. Right. >> So, just working out of just this list for now. And you're right. I'll bring you the rest of the other projects just to see because really these are the major projects that I think we're going to be working on in the next probably 10 years. Identify your rankings. If you agree with our rankings, then we'll come back with the dollars and how they're going to be funded. So there's no plan to use any mobility money for St. Lucy West. See what I'm getting at here? Like I don't I don't know. In order to have a broad conversation, I kind of need to know what the what the other half what other projects are we looking at for mobility. >> So the previous projects that were slated for bond funding was St. Lucy West, East Torino. >> See what I mean? >> South Bendhore. Beayshore Vermont and there was a fifth one >> in Torino. >> Anthony, go ahead. >> Yeah. Um, Madame Mayor, so I I think um or at least for me, I'm comfortable with just keeping this list and keeping everything ranked. You know, the sales taxes over a 10-year period. And I think having everything on the list and ranked is uh gives us the flexibility that we're going to need as an organization. if there are other funding sources um then the city manager can make that call. So I don't I don't think we need to we need we need to peer into the future or look at it in that in-depth level. We just have this list of our priority projects and then how they get funded. Um, >> yeah. But the problem with that is when we did the half cent sales tax and we went out to the public the first time, >> we said we are going to do all of these projects in that 10-year period. >> And we have the oversight committee that looks at that all the time and make sure we're on track and reports to us that we are on track and we're getting it done. So, we can say we did all these. If we leave it open-ended, I can't get them all done to the public. None of us can do that. And that was the whole premise of going out to the public and and showing them the list and then based on that list, they voted it in. They voted to do it. So my concern is if we don't give them a proper list and we say we are going to commit to doing these then we're going to lose credibility. >> So >> and madam mayor I guess my my request to the city manager and staff would be to kind of limit the list to those projects that we're certain we can get done within 15 years or or within 10 years um regardless regardless of funding source. So, I mean, if you believe we can get all these projects done, then I think we say we need this the 15 the half cent sales tax to complete these projects. If you think there's, you know, chance that we're not going to accomplish it, then I would just I'd remove the lower the lower ranked items. But >> what I what I can do is remove well, if I leave St. Lucy West here, it's going to eat up a lot of the funding. So, we may want to just look and say, you know what, let's remove St. Lucy West, but I think you want the voters to weigh into St. Lucy West because that's the thickest point. Or maybe look at a 50% share of 50% of the half cent Saxs and then 50% out of the um mobility fees. That's why that component is so important for us to to see in front of us because that we can say, "All right, if we're going to use some mobility money and we're going to use some half cent sales tax for St. Lucy West, we know we're going to get it done within that period." See what I'm saying? >> Right? So, let's do this. And then the other part is we talked earlier about repaving or resurfacing and repaving and we talked about how if we don't have half cent sales tax money >> we wouldn't have been able to get a lot of those projects done. So that's of concern to me too. >> So I I think the issue >> it's a hefty list. >> Yeah. The the challenge part from lessons learned is that when we did the um half sales tax past 10 years we did not hit the budget. We exceeded the budget by contributing more funding into Floresa. Floresa ate up a lot of our funding. So what I don't want to be in a situation is that we're going to go ahead and approve these projects. I have to tap into contingency and I'm not going to have the contingency. So going back to your point then is take a step back, look at the list, make sure we're okay with these 18 projects and then we'll come back and tell you how we plan on funding it. If there are certain projects that we can't fund, then we're just going to say we can't fund this and it should not be part of the list. >> Madam Mayor, >> yes, go ahead. >> So, I do think that it's challenging just because if we don't know the amounts like for the projection is 174 million in revenue. If I don't know what those amounts are for each of these projects, >> it's kind of hard to quantify like what we think that's going to equal out to. In regards to St. Lucy West Boulevard. Um, it's going to be phased and and that's where I'm kind of at is if there I don't see us building St. Lucy West Boulevard or expanding it in one shot or is that the plan? Because I don't see how we're going to do that. Are we going to do it in one shot? >> I don't know how you >> Well, the idea would be design in one shot and then as the design it would dictate the phasing approaches. >> So is Okay. So is the proposed project that's listed here for design or for design and construction? >> This is design and construction. >> Correct. >> So how long will it take to get designed and then how much would it cost to get designed? >> Okay. Well, right now we are in the current we're finalizing the feasibility study on it. So typical design like this we could say 18 months to two years and we would push to get it done in 18 months. >> Yeah. So >> and knowing that Festa and Floresa is a shorter road I think >> that's actually a little bit longer. Two and a half bigger >> but do you think that we're going to be able to construct >> within the 10ear period the entirety of it? >> You should be able to get that constructed. I'm not going to say it's going to be easy. There's going to be a lot of utility relocations that are going to have to happen. >> And that's why I'm asking because it's like it's not an issue of whether the money goes to St. Lucy West. Obviously, it's the probably the highest ranking project, the project we get the most concern about. This is a half sales half cent sales tax. The public, this is I mean all of it is their tax dollars, but for them to vote on this and to want this, it has to be the projects that are the most important to them. Um, so St. Lucy West is important to them. I just want to make sure that if like the mayor just said, if we're going to say we're going to build it, it's going to get completed. If it's not going to get completed and it's going to get phased out and you think it's going to get phased out, then it may not be completed in all this sale in this first in the sales tax. So then we can consider other projects because it you know what I mean? Here's the thing. I go back to that as much as I we need South Bend, we need all of these other projects. If St. Lucy West is the most important and that's what the residents are going to be voting on and that's what they want and that's the only project gets done. It's the only project that gets done. So, >> well then I'm glad you bring up South Bend and East Torino because as the mayor or the city manager and uh public works pointed out earlier, the roundabout at Torino has really done a fantastic job of helping with traffic. So that's why we looked at corridor improvements and these feasibility studies that are getting finalized and done now. The thought is that they may show intersection improvements. So it may not be a full on roadway of the entire corridor. and maybe select intersections like uh East Snow and South Bend is one that we know that there's major concerns at and that we don't want to specifically say it's going to be roundabout because we want the data to tell us that, but it seems like it could be a good candidate for one. >> And and I I think that's I think that's pretty that's pretty sound. I think we should look at that. I also think in my experience speaking to the residents because it's my district, they don't necessarily want to see more lanes. They just want to see more improvement in traffic flow. ever. You've been at every meeting, so you know what those residents are saying alongside me. So, if we can make that work, I think and traffic is flowing and the road isn't failing. I think we'll still have to figure out though uh to when it as it curves around council, it's been every time we go to Everett will tell you every time we go to the Southbend meeting, it's a major concern of the residents there. >> Yeah, there's significant backups from Becker Road. So, I've witnessed it for sure >> because the thing is we have that that um that concrete shoulder there that we have to decide if we're if we're ever going to >> correct because that section essentially I believe it's from East Snow down to Becker. It was already designed and set up for four lane divided. >> Um and then I just want to share as well the Sandpiper traffic calming and safety improvements. Um, recently I went out and did another tour with staff and I really if council if you have the time just to go out there even with staff or on your own and I just go down West Morland from the start of it all the way down to US1 and the disconnection in sidewalks is really bad and the way I mean unfortunately it's it's the oldest part of the city and it happened to be that when I was out there. Um, you know, there was an elderly person who was walking and literally was just walking on the bike path and because that's where the sidewalk broke out. And with all the traffic that's going down West Morland, first of all, I'm used to seeing West Morland full of traffic during peak times. That's common. At 12:00, 1:00 in the afternoon, it was insane. Even midday, I could not believe how many cars were utilizing West Morland. To the point of some of the residents there that I've met with, once the restaurants open, we can foresee too other people utilizing West Morland even more because of its connection to the port district. Um, and so there's real concerns with the residents as far as safety and traffic calming, but immediately as I was out there with staff, you know, those those disconnected sidewalks, which we've seen before, Colt and I >> have noticed before, especially around the roundabout, >> are major issues for the residents out there, and they have so much traffic. I mean, the numbers are what, 30,000 cars per day at least. >> I don't remember the numbers off the top of my head. I'll have to get back to you on that. Yeah, I would like to So that's so this particular item here um when I talked to Cole, he might I think he was saying he might look at other things as well or shift it a little bit, right? Is that you said when I talked to you? >> Correct. Yes. So, uh Mr. Salvador, unfortunately, he had to step away, but he has been diving into that and providing some different cost estimates. So, we're going to look at providing cost estimates on connecting the missing pieces of sidewalk so that there's at least a sidewalk on one side of the road for the whole stretch. We're also going to look at providing it for a complete street type of approach where there sidewalks on both sides of the road and get that information back to you. >> So, how come that wasn't in the sidewalk plan before if we knew that we had those disconnected pieces and or is it in the sidewalk plan? It's just was already just projected further out because we have a 10-year master sidewalk plan that's also supposed to get done um around the same time if I'm not mistaken that we said that we're going to have all these um sidewalks and the arterials and collectors done by a certain date. So, are these missing off that plan or what happened there? >> They are. So, >> bottom line is is that we've been driving that road for many, many years and we never looked at it that way because You do have some sidewalks in certain areas. In some areas, you don't. >> You got down to West Morland and we just missed it. >> Yeah. And from my understanding, the main focus on the original master plan was getting sidewalks to schools. And so that was the driving force on that. Now, part of the next phase of the sidewalk master plan is completing these missing connections and getting connection into the neighborhoods >> and to Morning Side, too, because the school in Morning Side. >> Mhm. Well, Morning Side is a in my opinion, it's a major road. So, it's not like it's a just a it's residential, but it's it's definitely a collector. >> Well, and when you drive out there again and you just look, you'll see. So, I think to the council I I don't know, but the council previously there's sidewalks on one side of the road, but not sidewalks on the other side of the road. And then there's a crosswalk and then you can crosswalk to connect to the other sidewalks across the other side of the road. So, it's like this hodge podge. And then you get to the bridge and you lose sidewalk connection. And then when you get past the bridge, then there's some there's like a a random piece of sidewalk in the middle of nowhere and then no sidewalk. >> Okay. >> So he was so it's a it's a definite situation, >> okay, >> that needs to be uh fixed, but >> Hey, Jesus. >> Yeah. So um Madame Mayor, looking at the list we have here, we have 18 items that have been identified. There are quite a few studies that we have on some of the major roadways as identified here in the chart. So, let's how about if we do this? Is there any items on this list that we think that should not be here that council say, you know what, we don't want these items here. And then what I'll try to do is I'll come back and I'll look at funding whatever we can part of the $174,000 half sales tax and whatever I don't um whatever more I need then is going to be um either bonded or grants and be able to make it fit for these 18 projects because looking at some of the physibility studies that we're working on most likely it's going to be determined that we're not going to need to four lanes some of these roadways here. So that's going to help us reduce the overall price. >> Yeah. And and to your point, so it says improvements on most of them. I don't necessarily know what all those improvements are. Like I know what the Ross or Drifus is. You're talking about a roundabout there, right? Or a semi roundabout. >> Correct. That's the temporary. >> Whatever you call that. But I don't know what Malleuca Birkshshire is. I don't know what Mal Green River is. I don't know what Salvage Peach Tree is. So >> we'll provide you with a des and I'll provide a description we which each project and also how much the half salex will be funding and any other bonding that's needed in order to complete the project. Okay, you have something. >> Yes. Um, so one thing that just popped out was shade structures for benches. >> And I was like, okay, I thought we were supposed to be and not that I'm against shade structures. Don't get me wrong and throw tomatoes at me. Improve local roads, reduce traffic congestions, add sidewalks, and improve local water quality. So, where does that fall in under the text? And it's probably very minimal. The Selvitz Meto improvements and Selvitz Peach Tree improvements. I know it's slated for roundabouts there, which is much needed. It's a two-lane road. It is a straight connection to Fort Pierce going all the way down to Beayshore, which is going to continue on around. It is much needed. Um, is there any way to combine those and make that as one project? Selvitz/Medo and Peach Tree improvements to combine it as one. I would imagine that if you went out for bid, you would probably get a better price for the same contractor or the same bidder to bid both of those because they're within a mile, mile and a half of each other. So it'd be very similar to how we are attacking the par roundabouts at um Darwin and Sabona. >> Okay. All right. Just a suggestion for that. Um the trails and land preservation. I was a little bit up in the air on that. So it would be nice to come back with the complete list and the pricing and the whatever. If we may add here, part of the shade structures and the trails and land preservation and Sarah, I'm not sure where you are, but um that was part of the polling that was done and they pulled pretty high that residents wanted shade structures and trails and land preservation. >> But it was not in our wording for our sales tax >> for the first one. Correct. So I'm just wondering does that need to be moved over to a budget item under parks and wreck or wherever? >> But based upon the polling that's what the resident are requesting. >> So when you bring it back can you bring us back the um easel so we can just see what that looks like. I know we just had the citizen summit. I know you guys are trying to cram this all get all that feedback and and get it in for this. So and that's understandable but it'll be it'd be good to see everything. >> Sure. Mayor, we can present also was in last year's national community survey results. We asked those questions at your request like we did last the first sales tax. We asked a number of questions and these the shade structures and trails was new. It was different than last year. This is a new um priority for residents that did pull favorably as well on the citizen survey as well as additional polling that was >> correct. And we do have the polling results if you like to >> Yeah. So it would mayor or Shannon go ahead. Uh, it would be interesting to know. I know that the parks that are going in now, the shade structures are there and being placed and I I believe out at Woodland is it Woodland Trails? They were added after the fact. So, how many parks or benches do we need shade structures at? and any park that we're doing now going forward I would imagine at tradition and Torino they're already going to have them included. So that's where I'm going. I don't need we can I don't want to get into the minutia but it's just a thought. Thanks. >> Okay. Well, if you do want the polling data we can show you that we had it on slides that were hidden. So I'll be unhiding those. >> All right. So here you can see the results from the community survey >> and you can see the pretty strong support where pretty much the lowest one was the improved traffic flow through winding including Torino Parkway was 49% then you got 47% for connectivity and pedestrian safety through upgrading sidewalks >> and sandpiper has 47% too >> correct >> in the uh and sidewalks and roundabouts and sandpaper neighbor Okay. >> And then the next slide is also the uh sales tax renewal survey that was done. >> Right. >> But so from my understanding, we will work with the city manager's office. We will provide the preliminary cost estimates and we're going to start diving up how much funding can go to each project and how much would be bond funding, other mobility funding, etc. >> Well, yeah. And then we talked about we've talked about this in the past about using the commercial paper to get the designs underway. We really need to make sure we're capitalizing on that because we know that that takes years. And so we have till 2028 for the first right half cent sales tax. So we're already in 2026 and it will be great to be able to if if it passes which we hope it will and the polling is showing that it will pass again. It will be able to be ahead of the game instead of having to wait till design some of these >> and we could already have the designs on the shelves so that we're ready to go with construction funding when that is reauthorized. So again, trying to stay ahead of >> that's the intent >> what what we're doing. So >> thank you, >> Madame Mayor. Is there and I see the polling in the citizen summit's total votes. Is there any other polling we're going to do to kind of make sure that we have our numbers? >> Uh so again, we did the citizen summit and the community national survey, but right now that was the plan for the polling and we are also under a time constraint on getting this done. >> When does that have to be on the ballot? Hey Rich, do you know when we have to get this on the ballot? >> So, per the county attorney, they've asked for um permission to advertise their ordinance for the halfsent sales tax. Their adoption date is March 17th. That leaves us two meetings just forformational purposes. You don't need a finalized list to request the ordinance from the county. >> Okay. >> I was planning on bringing that forward this Monday for your consideration. So, we have enough time to bring it to the county for consideration. >> When do we need to find? They're mutually exclusive like you don't have to do both at the same time. >> When do we need to finalize the list by? >> The list is is in flux. Basically, you have to have there's an approved category of um permitted infrastructure sir tax expenditures and so long as we have a current list, we can always amend that list down the road. >> Okay. Well, we adopted it by ordinance twice. So, okay. We adopted by ordinance. I mean, um so what I was going to say is is that two things. One is when you bring back the recommendations Um, and I'm I'm trying to remember how we did it the first time, which was successful, >> right? >> We need to not just look at what staff recommends and what the score is. We do need to weigh heavily where the residents want and what they want as far as their projects because if doesn't get 60% of the vote, it's going to be moved anyways, >> right? >> So, that needs to be heavily considered in whatever comes before council. Um, Mr. City Manager, I don't know if you heard me. I know you got leaned in. I I was sharing that whatever comes back to us, we have to make sure that the resident's opinion is highly considered in regards to what the final list that you propose to council because even if these things are fundable, but they're not passable, if we don't get 60% of the vote, doesn't matter. We're not going to get it anyways. So, um I I remember if I remember clearly last time when we came up with that list that we thought it was going to be, we did send that particular list out and pulled. We can go back and look. I think that's how we did it. Then we adopted it. Um the council adopted that by ordinance and those particular projects and then the ballot language was the ballot language, but that's how we were explaining it to the residents if this is what was actually going to be passed. Am I Am I missing history here? No, >> I think you're correct. We'll go back and look at what was done and I think we've already done that. I know Christina, you had something to add. >> Um, yes. I just wanted to give you an update and Sarah can please chime in as well too. We we spoke with the county and with also Fort Pierce on our sales tax call on Friday and we talked through um when are the project lists due and I believe we we agreed like August, right? So that they can start educating on it. So by by August to have that finalized with each of our municipalities. Um the one other thing that we also did talk through um and Mr. Barios maybe follow back up with them as well too. Um they did mention to us that their public hearing is on March 17th and that Fort Pearson and the city of Port St. Lucy would then follow with a reszo the following um week which would be March 23rd because for them to have the public hearing if we did the reszo prior you they wouldn't have not held the public hearing so it's not been finalized or put out to the public that it would happen after the fact that the reszo would be after after their public hearing. So what I'm referencing is an So the sales tax itself is initiated by the county, >> right? It's an ordinance that then turns into a referendum for the voters. What they're asking for in advance of the 17th because it's an ordinance for them that would require two readings just like us. So they're having they're advertising a first hearing I think on the two weeks before the 17th and then the adoption hearings on the 17th. County attorney has asked for the resolution by us requesting that they adopt the ordinance in advance of that um March 17th date. >> So we don't have to list have the list by then. We just have to ask for it in a resolution until about >> All right. So that that when two weeks before March 17th did you say that's like next that's >> well I have Monday. >> We have a legislator item that's >> you have it already on the >> it's already on there for the res. Oh, then we're fine. Yeah, then that's fine. >> We're good. >> Okay. Um, >> we just got to work on the list and the items >> and all that >> and the split and the cost >> and the I mean the survey results are very favorable for a mix of all the things that I mean it's very favorable. Everything's in the 50 and 60% range. Two of them are very close to 50%. So when you have the mix in place, we know that we're already over that percentage number. >> So and um we our national survey is out right now. So it's not hard to match up from 2025 to 2026 what that looks like in terms of what our residents are telling us we want. Plus we already have the feedback from the citizen summit. So >> we're okay. >> Yeah. Yeah, madam mayor. I know the number one um just got from Sabrina completed the analysis of the but the money exercise and traffic improvements is our number one request from residents at the citizen summit. So, right definitely I think you're on target. >> Madam Mayor, I I will also add that the county has done their own survey which included Fort St. Lucy residents and it came back almost exactly the same as ours and theirs was done several months later. So, the surveying is all kind of saying the same things so far. >> Great. All right. >> So, we'll bring it back to council. >> Okay. Sounds good. >> Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. All right. Uh, strategic plan. Madame Mayor, would you like to hear a presentation? I know on the strategic plan update, we also have the public works high impact plan. So, I just wanted to ask the council if we could either give a presentation, answer questions. Some of the projects in the strategic plan are CIP related. So, I just wanted to ask for the will duplication. I'm sorry. >> I said, see, you're saying there's duplication. >> There's some I mean, I wouldn't I wouldn't repeat, of course, if you've already heard about it, but I just wanted to ask. I know it's about 4:15. So, I just wanted to ask and see where you'd like to land. >> I'm okay with not doing it right now because like I said, I think a lot of it is a duplication, but so I think >> because that's more even more broad scope and we already went through all the major projects, so we're okay. Okay. >> Yeah. I'll just review the presentation. If I have questions, I'll ask tomorrow. >> Yeah. >> All right. Uh, so do we want to be done for today and we'll start tomorrow with public works high impact plan? >> Sure. >> We good since it's already 4:15 and we're scheduled only to be here till 4:30 anyway. Good with that. All right. All right. So, we are done for the day. Everyone have a good evening. See you all tomorrow.