today is Wednesday October 16th 2024 and we are at the City of Reno Council chamber we'll begin with agenda item one the Pledge of Allegiance commissioner Villa will you please lead us you we will now close item one and move to agenda item two secretary can we get a roll call please Harris Armstrong here Carrie rer here Manny Basera here Christina delv here JD draulic here Sylvia vinoa here and Alex VTO is absent at the this time we have a quorum thank you we'll close item two and before moving to item three we actually have an announcement item 4.3 LDC 25-3 2400 West 7th Street has been continued with no date certain we will be moving this ahead of item 4.1 when we open public hearings Mike do you have anything to add to that announcement sure thank you Mr chair uh as you mentioned item 4.3 has been uh continued at the request of the applicant the project will be Ren noticed for a future date um public because Public Notices were sent for this case we will open public comment take public comment but the commission will have no discussion or take no action on this item thank you and just before moving on do we have any objections to moving agenda item 4.3 ahead of agenda item 4.1 when we open public hearings no objection great thank you so much we will close item two and move to item three public comment this item is for public comment on any action item or any general public comment members of the public may call into the meeting to provide public comment by using the zoom link provided on the agenda specifically https colon links. reno.gov SL capital P capital c 1 0-16 -24 it should be noted for those in the audience that comments are to be addressed to the Planning Commission as a whole comments heard under this item will be limited to 3 minutes per person and may pertain to matters both on and off the Planning Commission agenda please note that the Planning Commission may not take action upon any matter not agendized for possible action on today's agenda when 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close item three and move to item four public hearings any person who has chosen to provide his or her public comment when a public hearing is heard will need to so indicate on the request to speak for provided to the secretary alternatively you may provide your comment when item three public comment is heard at the beginning of the meeting uh as stated at the beginning of the meeting we're going to open with item 4.3 LDC d2500 003 2400 West 7th Street um as we had mentioned before it's been continued at the request of the applicant with no date certain but since it is noticed we will be having public comment on this item I've received a couple requests to speak forms on this item uh starting with Mary Beth burough he hi can you hear me yes I can't hear you so my name is Mary Beth burough and I live off of seventh street by the proposed buildings um and my service dog is my hearing dog we walk across 7th on Wyoming nearly every day and we have a big issue of cars not stopping for us cars not seeing us and I really have concerns about any additional traffic and I know they have all of their statistics but I live it and I think recently we had a man and his dog killed on King's Row in traffic I did a um a um Reno direct they actually cancelled it because they know traffic speeding is so bad on that street um and I hope that you have thought of that for the people that live there when you say any added traffic I know there's going to be another um building on on H stoker which would probably add to that traffic I saw on McDonald and seventh they've put a light for crosswalk that blinks I hope that they would put that along all the school just crosswalks because when I cross there's parked cars they can't see me until I'm in the crosswalk so we have to be very cautious and I'm thinking if a child is there and there's two parked cars they won't see them and and that could be a real disaster so I would like to see that they have more of those flashing lights for us I am not against building but I am for safety and there is definitely per the police safety issues on Seventh with eating so I would hope that that is a consideration and like I said when I cross there's cars right there they need to put red on the sidewalk curb so cars aren't blocking people walking into the crosswalk also coming the other way I sit there with April sitting next to me three four five cars pass by and I'm like is somebody going to stop for me if we had one of those lights they would see it they obviously don't see me standing there on the curb um but that was my my whole purpose for being here thank you for listening thank you for your comments what oh thank you for your comments thank you C next we have Barbara carosa wishing to speak hello everyone my name is Barbara Cor I hardly endorse what this lady just said traffic on 7th street is just beyond anything people are speeding um they're not paying attention to pedestrians it is a significant risk and my statement today is basically short but concise my original statement that I planned to present to this commission tonight was my apprehension that cluster designation under the city of Reno's Municipal Code was being used for this project when it clearly is not compliant for this development that's what I have to say thank you thank you for your comments next we have Tim Smith sorry hi there Tim Smith live at 2575 Everett drive also commenting on uh this new development so initial look when I took a look at the plans um I was overwhelmed to see the density of houses on this plot of land it looked nothing like the adjacent neighbors neighborhoods um to learn that I would now potentially have two back neighbors as opposed to one like everyone else in this neighborhood was disheartening um and looking into it I uh saw that they're proposing this cluster development and then looking up the municipal code a review of this it looks like this development does not meet the requirements of cluster development um the code States cluster development is encouraged to support the protection of sensitive natural resources viewsheds or other unique site features promote fire safety within Wildland interface provide opportunities for shared common open space protect documented Wildlife corridors and provide a more gradual transition to the unincorporated County and public lands of the items listed in this statement this plan does not meet any of these uh they might try to state that viewsheds are preserved given that the houses are more narrow however their uh setbacks only being at 5T the minimum means there's only a 10-ft view whereas the adjacent neighborhoods have upwards of 20 feet between homes um further if this development is deemed acceptable as a cluster development despite not really falling into the definition per code they're requireed to adopt appropriate mitigation measures these are defined as Ed ma Edge matching Landscaping screening illumination standard standards and other design features to buffer and protect against adjacent properties uh these mitigation standards are not well defined in the cluster provision of the code um but I would uh code AS clear-cut standards of what those are but I would defer to the single family adjacency standards to get a more clear picture of how transitions are completed when there's a change of one type of neighborhood to another the developer would say that this section 18.04.3 A7 would not apply since there's no change of zoning district from development to development but which would make sense if you follow the basic standards of sf8 zoning by its very nature there would not to be any need to be any transition standards as the neighborhoods would match here is not the case as the partial sizes are smaller and rear yards do not match each house on the existing neighborhood will now have two houses behind them rather than one I would argue that since in the cluster provision there is not clear standards of buffering but the word buffer is mentioned the code also states that the clustering propos proposal meets all other applicable requirements set forth in this article or in other applicable ordinances or regulations we would defer to other parts of the code with clear definitions of buffering right now they have a 17t buffer the adjacency standard code requires 30 feet fully landscaped 100 feet if not landscaped can I just give another 10 seconds sure it's fine all right um currently the yards do not match and the parcel size is not which would be the other requirements uh for transitioning um I believe that the code is meant to require or protect both citizens and keep consistency with in the uh City and I believe that doing this as a cluster development would uh go against that thank you thank you for your comments next we have TJ Harvey hi my name is TJ Harvey 2605 ever drive I'm speaking in opposition to a agenda item 4.3 2400 West 7th I have read and thoroughly reviewed the definition of cluster development within Reno Municipal Code it is clearly defined in multiple places I have also reached out and spoken to a handful of developers in the area they have helped me understand when and how a cluster development should be used a cluster development is meant to protect a natural resource or a unique site feature also in its definition it's meant to be used in an area connected to unincorporated County or public lands for example imagine a square lot bordering an undeveloped land in the top leftand corner of the lot could be a marsh area a stream or even a rock outcropping a cruster cluster development would allow a reduction in lot size in order to Cluster homes away from the unique site feature this would preserve the site feature but still allow the same amount of development within a smaller footprint associate planner picotti stated on 919 to Wood Rogers staff is unable to process this application as a cluster development the project is not protecting a sensitive resource there's no proposed usable common open space there are no Wildlife corridors it's an infill project distant from any Trails or public lands and every tree is being removed wood Rogers has made no substantial changes to their plans they have however latched onto a few of Patti's points and made half-hearted attempts to pencil them in Wood Rogers has proposed to develop an 8,000 ft area in the southwest corner of the property by adding a couple benches picotti stated that that the area must be 8 accessible the problem is this area is also a major drainage point from the Western properties the the proposed common area has a single access point shown in plans as a 5ft wide buffer and has also been designated as a drainage channel so the access point is 5 foot wide must be 80 accessible provide drainage and be a buffer between proper property lines not possible the open space Des uh designated is less than 5% this has nothing to do with preserving a uni unique site feature open space is not to be is not meant to be an afterthought if wood Rogers truly meant to follow guidelines of cluster development this would have been a major component of the original plan the fact that they are trying to fit it in now is evidence would Rogers not trying to preserve anything they're only trying to reap the benefits of cluster development in order to reduce lot sizes wood Rogers also States they are preserving viewsheds this lot does H does have city views enough so that people come to the church parking lot to watch fireworks if you look at the plans and imagine 28t tall homes anyone can see there is no preservation of viewsheds grading down and buffering won't help the views will be deleted again if this was a true attempt at cluster this would have been designated from the beginning as a crucial element of the plan I understand the city wants infill there is room to develop responsibly within code and match the current neighborhood wood Rogers never intended to develop this as a true cluster development this lot does not meet the criteria as picotti mentioned it is an infill development wood Rogers was asked by picotti multiple times to justify development under the cluster provision their just justifications are simply afterthoughts addendums attempt to gain approval as much as the city wants infill codes do be do have to be followed thank you for your time thank you for your comments uh I don't have any additional request to speak forms is there anyone wishing to speak on Zoom uh it doesn't look we have look like we have anyone's hands raised on Zoom at this time any additional request to speak forms uh we do not have any additional request to speak forms before we close this item is there anyone else in Chambers wishing to speak on this item okay seeing none we CH also just going to interject here we did receive some public comment that was forwarded to the Planning Commission understood thank you oh Mr do you want to give a public comment on this item yeah absolutely please uh fill out a request to speak form and then just go ahead and say your name for the record you can do that after you can do it after Miss thank you good evening um my name is Sheila Brown I'm a member of the church that currently resides at 2400 West 7 Street and we haven't invested um in the community there and we're currently trying to make proposals for the church that owns the property as well as for the city because we see a dynamic for how the city and the master plan and how we can combine the two to create a better place for the whole neighborhood create a center for like say for instance the people that got put out of their home on McCarron and and 7th Street um a few weeks ago because the whole apartment area burned down well with the community center there you know at least we've been able to help those that were you know displaced by the fires and stuff so um I just think that we have a lot invested in and we're working out a plan to send to the church and to the dicese and at the city Arena we're just we're learning how to how to go about doing it in the appropriate manner so thank you for your time thank you for your comments anyone else in Chambers wishing to speak on this item seeing none we will close item 4.3 and move to item 4.1 lc24 d65 Virginia Village Sou storage do you have a presentation from staff chair we have uh Carter Williams on Zoom okay great we might have uh we just need to get him to get his presentation shared might take a minute or two understood thank you uh Carter whenever you're ready just please go ahead and begin with your presentation all right I'm actually getting the notice that I cannot share start screen share while the other participant is sharing so I'm assuming it may need to provide my presentation okay Carter it is gonna have to share um that presentation for you okay that's fine right good evening Commissioners Carter Williams associate planner for the record apologize for not being able to be there in person I had a conflict this evening um but um the specific application um before today is for a mini warehouse facility next SL please the property is located on or uh excuse me uh east of North Virginia Street located across the street from Talis way um it is located halfway between North McCaron and Par Boulevard uh to the west of the site are existing tow houses and to the east is a future residential subdivision the specific request is for a conditional use permit for three three items um a mini warehouse adjacent to residential on property a major a disturbance of a major drainage way and fills greater than 10 ft um there is a fourth one indicated on the description for Hillside development but that one actually is not applicable to this project uh there is lastly an alternative equipment compliance that was submitted requested by the applicant um for specific building uh design and fence standards uh next slide please the property is located within the Suburban mixed use master plan land use designation and the project itself um meets a number of specific policies of the master plan generally related to uh hydrological resources major drainage ways uh tree installation and um conditions that uh uh increase compatibility with the relation the adjacent neighborhoods next Slide the property is zoned General commercial which allows for a manyi warehouse with the condition use permit um adjacent the property is adjacent to single family to the east as I noted indicated there um and with that there are standards for residential adjacency that apply including for lighting and sign next slide please so the project proposes uh 216 mini warehouse units and 11 clusters so the product is a modular in nature so they're able to be combined to form linear building forms like you might expect with a standard self storage facility the project also includes a space for RV storage near the center of the site the portion of the property AB buding North Virginia Street in the uh the plan on the screen is the major drainageway and Wetland area drawing attention to the green line on the screen the applicant has accepted conditions to create a dense screen between the future residential subdivision and this project in addition to this the orange line um at the bottom of the screen indicates the location of a 6 solid fence with additional landscaping and trees that intend to blend into the existing topography and prioritize the view of that major drainage way next slide please this is a sight line analysis that provides a view of the different tiers of the site so the bottom tier is where the proposed uh where it's proposed to be developed um and it is at the same elevation as the street the orange tier indicates uh the existing railroad spur that's operated by Union Pacific and the top green line is the finished grade of the subdivision to the east those the tree symbols um indicate the locations of the the trees that to be planted with by condition through with this project next slide please so the applicant has requested an alternative equipment compliance I'll try to address this one first uh so the proposed modular product is um shown in the image on the screen in the in the blue and the gray um the specific request is to deviate from standard architectural requirements um with the condition that the entire front and rear of the site is screened as indicated on the site plan and that the buildings be painted in Earth Tones the intent is to integrate the development into the existing site and prioritize visual preference for the major drainage way over the developed character uh next slide please from a compatibility standpoint this is a low intensity use relative to other uses that are allowed within The General commercial Zone uh the screening elements previously described support compatibility adjacent to the residential to the East and it's generally consistent as a transitional use so the area north carries um an industrial master plan and zoning and the area South is Suburban mixed use and General commercial next slide please part of the application um is a disturbance of the manager Dage way the area of disturbance is minimal and mostly um most of the drainage W is left untouched the area designated as Wetland will not be disturbed with this application the um the existing The Crossing that is there for the access is existing the orange area on the screen indicates the primary areas of disturbance to to give an idea of the the degree of disturbance the remainder being unchanged next slide this application also includes fills greater than 10 feet in height these are generally limited and staff is not concerned with these areas and they do not cause any par or we don't um anticipate any visual impact with these these Bill areas next slide excuse me staff requested an alternative development analysis to see the possibility of removing all the grading within 15 ft of the existing boundary of the major drainage way the applicant submitted the alternative scenario and it showed that 46 406 46% reduction in developable area um on the site which is significant enough to justify some disturbance to that major drainage way next slide please on the screen are the findings for a conditional use permit generally staff finds that the use is compatible with the proposed conditions um staff also finds that the specific findings for grading are achieved um and does not have significant visual impacts I'm sorry next slide for the next set of findings and then next slide and lastly uh these are the findings for an alternative equivalent compliance staff also was able to make the findings because the proposed improvements prioritize that visual preference for the drainage way next slide and on the screen is the recommended motion I'm available for any questions after the applicant is able to present thank you thank you Carter Walt looks like we'll get a presentation from the applicant Mr ktic thank you Mr chair Commissioners uh turn your mic on please is that better much better thank you John krmpotic with kls planning I'm representing Rob Fitzgerald this evening he's uh the owner applicant and developer um he's with Northern Nevada homes and Billy Anderson is our civil engineer with lumus engineering he's with us as well I'll try and fill in the gaps where we're a little bit unique to the staff perspective um staff showed a a an exhibit similar to this you can see the idea is the footprint of the project uh in the foreground is the area the drainage area that's left intact as it sits today then you have the development footprint and then above it the railroad tracks and the adjacent development of the single family residential above that you can see the little graded area I'm showing these two so you can see the toggle of the trees uh that evolve to the condition of which we do accept there's the original plan that meets the code on the FR on the front end the Virginia Street side so imagine looking at the project over the little Culvert there into the into the project area you see the double row of trees in the back adjacent to the railroad of course that's the screening of what staff analyzed um and supported as the visual uh screening for that the single family above that is what we did in evolution of the project to where it is today and accepted the new condition which is more screening plus the wall uh along the Virginia Street side so you see a nice band of double evergreen or heavy Evergreen uh trees in that area here is the same exhibit but a little bit uh less engineer uh that um than uh we shared with staff and uh the one that Carter shared I wanted to touch on a couple of things one you can see the change in elevation from the residential up above that's twostory residential as it's approved and under construction on the very left side you see uh Virginia Street would be just off the left side of the map so the screening conditions as we noted in the uh red ovals there 78 and 10 the double row of trees with you can see the wall right adjacent to it on the Virginia Street side then the storage product then moving up the hill uh at the end of the project you see the double row of trees and the six foot tall fence over there important I I see this as about as as much an environmental set of cups as you'll see because we had Hillside drainage way a wetland resource that's being left intact this map was created by a wetland consultant environmental planner notice the legend there says open water and vegetation and the paline emergent Wetland which was was established when they did the analysis and the Army Corps approval and what you see there in those different segments of green and blue are as it sits today That Remains the Same a different perspective three threedimensional real world again you can kind of see what's going on that's one on the left is looking up Virginia Street you see the existing crossing the culter underneath it and you see the Wetland type of vegetation uh it's more pronounced on the right side obviously the presence of water and then we're up above that in the Upland area there whereas it gets a bit flatter going the other direction from the site looking Downstream again you can see the Wetland type of vegetation remains as you see it there uh both on the left and on the right and open space it's important in the overall analysis just to point out that we're providing 3.0 Acres versus the 2.6 that's required and of course it's in the foreground of the project which I think does have some Community benefit in this case that's all I have Commissioners uh thank you for your time I'm here for any questions if you have anything that wants to get real technical with our civil he's here as well thank you great thanks so much appreciate it we'll bring it back to the commission for disclosures commissioner delvar please start I have been to the location and and I have a couple of comments later commissioner berera familiar with the site read and reviewed materials commissioner villan WEA read the materials um I believe that's it commissioner draulic I have uh I'm familiar with the site commissioner rer familiar with the site commissioner Armstrong read and received materials and I'm familiar with the site uh we'll go ahead and close disclosures and we'll now move to public comment I have no request to speak forms is there anyone wishing to speak via Zoom um doesn't look like we have anyone's hands raised at this time uh we do not have any request to speak forms uh correspondents or voicemails for this item do we have anyone in the Chambers wishing to speak on this item seeing none we'll go ahead and close public comment for this item bring it back to the commission for questions commissioner delvar yeah commissioner delvar I had a couple of questions and I'm not sure who um would would address them but I did I did go to the site and one of the things that I noticed was um traffic is really bad there um it took me seven and a half minutes to turn right from where I was and and so it looks like there's only one entrance and exit if I'm correct um but I'm also just kind of curious because there's a lot of high schoolers there's some cars um you know is there any intention of putting in any sort of traffic barriers or any anything that's going to help um people who are trying to cross the street or get out of the actual units themselves Carter Williams associate planners just a um the the applicant did submit a traffic entry and access study um that um included tra trip Generation Um for the site and it indicated that the um peak hour trips so the the trips that are going to be at the times when it's most busiest during the day are single digits um so it is not anticipated that a lot of people are going to be making those movements at the high traffic hours and overall the number of trips estimated is 47 trips daily um so that that was staff's justification for supporting the project as proposed and um the numbers as they are don't require any additional studies to be submitted um per per code and policy got it thank you that that's super helpful any additional questions uh commissioner villan NOA I have a question for Carter Carter can you repeat earlier you you mentioned there was something that was not applicable was it Hillside or was it the um disturbance of a major drainage way you said something was Britain but not applicable Excuse me yes it was um it was Hillside development so in the code um properties that are less than 10 acres in size are not required to go through this process for um for the the the specific triggers for Hillside development um we still are looking at the grading with respect to the fills to the site um and the specific rating that impacts the drainage way but the hillside development um they are exempt from this process technically okay um okay I think the I have a few questions for the applicant I need some clarity on uh a couple things you um will you pull up your please pull up your presentation there was some images that I wanted to reference which one uh commissioner that actually that would go back that one there that cross-section yeah yeah the first one not that one the one before that before that yeah that one lots of trees what is so is that the only entry way into the site that is the only entry way okay does that cut right through the um water what is that not the drainage way but this the it was established as you know going back years ago uh a wetland area you can see See It Best in I think this photo right there to the right now actually look at the one to the left because you actually see the existing roadway Crossing there with the Culvert the one on the left my left the one on the left yeah the photo on the left that is the existing Crossing that we're using so it's already there it's already there okay yeah and then so explain to me again I don't understand how the the wet land is not being impacted where where does the water that enters the Wetland come from does I say it's not the the impact was you know there's always impact with a development project right in this one in the case of the wetlands we're not doing anything to it so no further impact no net loss you have the environmental consultant who's a Wetlands consultant who did the study with the 439 page hydrology report who then submitted to Army Corps this is permitted as such we're not doing anything more to it okay it's Upland from there that's what I'm suggesting what do you mean up uh uh you know outside of the you got a water surface elevation of the the 100e we're much above that in the Upland the the the bank of the slope okay and where does so because I think one of the items here so I understand we're not impacting the Wetland in it in it of itself and you're telling me I didn't read the Army Corp of engineer I didn't read the report obviously but they approved it the agency approved it obviously is what you're saying um for the ma major drainage way which I think we is that here development mini warehouse grading resulting Cuts Hillside and yeah disturbance of a major drainage way so does the water from the major drainage way enter the Wetland is that where the why it's a wetland because the water right and it sits there as opposed to just run through okay so if I'm understanding clearly again I didn't read the report but you're telling me the Wetland isn't impacted I guess it is but enough to where it's not bothersome that the Army Corp Engineers but the drainage way is impact is there's an impact to the drainage way and I guess thereby maybe an impact to the to the Wetland but what's the can you explain to me the impact to the drainage way what's what are we dealing what are we looking at here with the drainage way it's cuz I'm seeing here a disturbance of major drainage way yeah disturbance is you know enhancement is a disturbance in we don't have anything in the code that says we're enhancing a drainage way we would sit here with a straight face and suggest it's being enhanced because you're outside of any water elevation ever known to the site or to man you sit above it right where the grade break is at that tree you see on the left side and we're adding planting there so that is technically disturbance it's not in the drainage way it's definitional stuff you do you or staff happen to H okay so you sort of have a map here yeah is there is there like a GIS or anything where I can see the drainage way better and then see what we're what we're looking at can I is there a pointer here I want to simplify this John is there a mouse up there that you can use to okay here we go go this is see this right here commissioner vill Villa NOA see that area where the trees are yes above the trees okay there is the new wall of which we agreed to in the condition right that's the grade brake line that's the flat land I mean you can see how flat this area is that's our footprint of development so where's the drain it bypasses the drainage it's above the drainage that's right the drainage way in the in the pur sense is down here right and you can see in the Waterway there you can clearly see your outside in the dry area right my concern is are we putting impervious concrete there or no and it's best shown in the cross-section which is right here there's the there's the drainage way over here there's the improvements up at the top of the hill okay question for staff if I touch on the uh the traffic one I think it's important because our engineer and uh uh the RTC this is probably good note for the commission we met with the complete streets team RTC n do um and there's a mega project that's being done the next phase all the way up Virginia Street pushing sidewalk over to the other side of Virginia Street um and there's there's a lot going on there so you know about it okay I'm trying to understand then if that's the case why why does it say here we have to review the disturbance of a major drainage way if it's not that's a question for Carter yeah yeah yeah commissioner vill way CS um so I actually do have a a slide in my presentation that indicates the um specific area that we're talking about so the the these major drainage ways they are the boundaries of them are established by what's called a 100-year water surface elevation so in a 100-year flood the water is expected to be anticipated at this at specific level from the boundary of that that uh that those points we go out 15 ft so any grading disturbance that occurs within 15 ft of this potential flood area triggers the the requirement to to review um for impacts to Major drainage we okay and then yeah okay I understand that um can I also take do you can you pull up the math that you had earlier sorry I'm togging up does anyone else have questions let me uh pause and then I'm gonna let others speak because I do have a few I I do have a few questions so I'm going to pause and let commissioner um commissioner b b talk thank you uh whenever you're commissioner thank you sure happy to take the Baton here um it's going to be one for Mr John K and one for Carter yes sir how you doing John good thank you good good to see you you too thank you um thanks for the presentation of course um how will you or I guess your client ensure that the proposed Landscaping which I believe is 70% Evergreen 30% deciduous provide for that year round screening for the residential areas up above um especially during the winter when the deciduous trees lose their leaves soil amendments you know so there's the mitigation of soil for enhancement that way uh irrigation and then uh care uh replacement of any dead trees you know and it takes a little time as you know yeah the standard stuff yeah okay and kind of related while I have you Nows pivot to Mr Carter here um I think there's a adjacent business right ABC Roofing or something along those lines uh it's not adjacent not that I know yeah yeah I was just curious if yeah it's quite quite SE if they're okay or if they had any input didn't hear anything from anybody we had a nice NAB meeting uh you know no real concerns there and um you know traffic's always a question but of course this is the lowest of uh all traffic generators in the spectrum of land use proposals okay great thank you so much thank you appreciate Mr Carter um I'm going to ask a follow-up similar question um more around the Landscaping um I believe John what he told me and his client everyone tries to operate in good faith I believe uh but could you please elaborate on the process for ensuring the landscape the Landscaping is maintained to effectively mitigate visual impacts in the long term like what enforcement mechanisms are in place if the applicant by chance happen fails to maintain these conditions absolutely so I mean if if the conditions aren maintained it it goes to code enforcement they they're the they would be the the enforcement arm um and it's um it's a little hard to speculate on on what procedurally what that would look like but um the the first step is to initiate with code enforcement um and then they would go in and and site them first of all there's a financial component to that to those citations um and it's possible that it could lead to the um coming back before this body to Rew if they they haven't met those conditions okay fantastic um I do have a followup if that's okay unless commissioner you can finish with your followup if if you're ready sure thanks chair uh I guess Carter I'll I'll hand it off to you um while the report indicates that the project the projected traffic impacts are minimal would you mind clarifying whether there are any long-term concerns with traffic volume or congestion in the surrounding area as the project develops uh especially with uh planned development in the region I think that would be the best to I'm not sure if Mike Michelle um or a member of the engineering division is in the room I believe he is he's he heard you he heard you summon him and he's coming on up Mike Michelle engineering manager for the record uh if I understand the uh question correctly I think the best way for me to answer that is traffic will increase on North Virginia there's just going to be more traffic there's more development um but uh OT and RTC they have a complete streets project planned in the in the near term that will uh that will enhance that street um providing U you know shared shared pathway for pedestrians and bicycles and and you know in increasing the traffic flow as as much as possible thank you sir just to follow up on that specific thing so I guess my question is and maybe it's related to some of the line of questioning for my fellow Commissioners well the single point the single access point be sufficient for this potential future demand or traffic yes okay great thank you don't want to forget Commissioners on Zoom uh commissioner Dracula or commissioner R do you have any questions at this time commissioner dra now you guys are answer asking some of the questions I have so thank you got it commissioner roor Meer none here thank you great bring it back to those of us in person any additional questions from the commission commissioner villanua yes um Carter if are you there I am he yes I I saw you had a map earlier with the different land uses for the area I saw I think I saw sub this one is Suburban mixed use but there were some others I think uh multif family I saw I just want to see that map and kind of see what the surrounding areas consist of because I think one of the findings is to determine you know compatibility with the surrounding areas and character it would be slide eight for it they could okay oh oh that was good I think you had it did you want the previous one yeah the one with all the land use designations okay so we have okay so we have General commercial so I have a question Carter because I I don't you know I I don't know how General commercial in these areas actually let me look at the master plan how would this area be designated in the master plan where it's located as far as when we consider the master plan what's the character of this area it'll be the previous slide if I could pull that up so the master plan is there's actually kind of a boundary here um and it's unfortunate I don't have it blown up a little bit more but generally this Corridor was split um at a point where we acknowledge that there there wasn't going to be there was an interest in maintaining um Miu Suburban more North along Virginia Street specifically there was or wasn't there wasn't so the master plan transition to more of industrial uses so you see the the gray just above this property all these properties that are actually there's there's a few industrial properties there now most of them are mix you Suburban those will eventually all transition transition to Industrial zoning um so this this will be a very right on the near near residential um it would be against that mixed um mix uh uh sorry that that mixed neighborhood area yes um but those will be subject to residential adjacency requirements as well as that's the separation that's a pretty significant so like on a grander scale I'm looking here at the master plan and it's showing I mean is this Foothill is this in the when you're looking at the larger scale master plan is this would this be considered Foothill or would it be I think there's something else that's after before Foothill let me see I think this is in the foothill neighborhoods within the structure plan but those policies are really more geared towards the residential um component I I think from our perspective we're looking at the residential adjacency um is it is it a compatible with with the the process that we have um and the standards and code for for residential adjacency so that we look at lighting we look at um impacts of buildings and then additional screening Okay the reason I ask is because the other concern I have is well I have a couple concerns so so the walls I mean if this is in fact and and I guess you'll tell me in a little bit if this is in fact Foothill my concern is the walls I mean these are looks like I I know that they're screening but it appears to be concrete walls is that true they are there is a condition that requires that them to be articulated and code currently requires all screening to be architecturally compatible so from that perspective they have to be in the same Earth Tone color as the buildings are proposed as um so the intent was to to make them kind of disappear with the the Landscaping so that the the the view of the major drain as way as the is the focus what I ask is because if this is in the foothill area I you know some of the policies in the master plan that correlate and are tied to a Foothill I see those being invaded with something like a concrete wall and and we can go into why that is but I'm going to save you guys that conversation um but the other concern I have um and I need some answers on this as well so there's I see multiple places within the application where there's requests for alternate equivalent compliance at what point do we reach that threshold where alternative equivalent we're asking for multiple alternative equivalent compliance when do we reach um a threshold where it's like you're just not in compliance at all at some point um is I mean does that exist uh or there's more I see here alternative equivalent compliance for architecture alternative equivalent compliance for walls um so at what point do we say this is a what is it a square peg in a round hole so staff's perspective on this was so the applicant indicated that the Department of Transportation has a plan that trans that moves the sidewalk to the other side um for building articulation ground floor interest that's that's transparency requirements for Windows like all these things that are intended to make buildings look nice they're really intended to enhance that pedestrian corridor from our perspective and and generally look nice from our perspective we have this significant feature a natural feature that we want to prioritize and we're looking at the master plan we have that go sorry to pause I just you said something why is that like what what are you guys trying to what's the prioritize what natural Fe why is that is it because we're in the foothill why do we have to prioritize a natural because gener so there's a number of Master Plan policies that indicate that we want to protect um prioritize as Recreation natural resources so it's I I think in some cases this is these are competing M master plan policies and From staff's perspective the protection of major drainage ways and protection of wetlands wins out in this case over something that from an architecture standpoint isn't going to have of an imp benefit to the community okay sorry and I cut you off continue uh oh no I think I'm I think I finished so what they so to your point the do we ever do we at what point do we say that this is not uh so you guys don't believe that this is a square peg and a round hole that we're all these requests for you know changes does I mean do we get to Point where it's it doesn't meet the development code we're doing mitigation we're doing you know equivalent compliance we're trying to Veer from the wetlands but then at the same time we're trying to dodge the drainage I staff didn't have any issues with that I I I think from from our perspective um well first of all I mean we are this this application I mean is here because this doesn't meet the code as as a currently that's fair so the and we are really looking deeper into policies of the master plan to identify I mean I mean I me priorities and in the end I think it's up to the commission whether or not those priorities went out from our perspective The Pedestrian environment isn't along the side of the corridor it's pushed off um and for that matter it's um I mean it's I think it's a good example of a I mean something that we would want to protect I think from a and major Dage perspective okay thank you so much I'm sorry for the inte inter ation but I did need I you're knowledgeable and I needed that information so thank you no questions no more questions for me thank you commissioner I think I saw commissioner Royer did you raise your hand via Zoom did you have a question or comment um I did I think I got it answered but since Carter is on the line maybe I'll just ask sure um am I correct in understanding that really the trigger for the disturbance the major drain which way is the extra landscaping and the decorative wall it's not really the building's Footprints my no that so that the the proposed grading was prior to the condition for the the additional Landscaping on the wall that was that was a part of their analysis that allowed them to develop that um to the to the extent that they have but they don't have a map showing the area of the 100 acres potentially being drained overlaid with their site plan where that take is taking place they do um and it actually is one of my my uh in in my slides um take one quick look at that again EXC me I'll find the actual I believe it is slide 11 or 10 sorry excuse me it's it might be nine sorry it's nine okay so it's these fill areas that are shaded in blue so the the the green area the green line is the um edge of the 15t buffer from the the 100-year water surface elevation I didn't explicitly Mark the WSC but it is a dashed line black dash line but there are no buildings being put this is a grading and potentially area to be supported of landscaping and the wall correct and those areas also have to be rated to a natural state to actually support ecological secession or the the they have to be um integrated into the existing landscape and uh Na fauna and FL or Flor rather okay no that app I appreciate this this helps me I feel like this is an enhancement to the Upland uh which is not in fact part of the Wetland as delineated by the consultant um actually had they pushed back you know there would be no 100 100 significant flood L drain now I'm a a Miss of words but um really it isn't the buildings themselves or even asphalt paving as much as it is supporting the future landscape and decorative walls and um that gives me great hope so I appreciate the added clarity thank you commissioner uh do we have any further questions from the commission commissioner Basera sure thank you chair just one more uh Mr Carter um would you mind clarifying whether the city has obtained sufficient insurances to mitigate any potential liability from flooding or water damage claims by adjacent Property Owners due to the drainage easement and water surface elevation increase or would this be covered by the proposed condition number 13 yeah the proposed condition um um that um would not allow for the property owner to develop the property as proposed unless they secure those easements um and those that has to be in in coordination and in agreement with the adjacent property owner um and my understanding is that they already have affid davits or some some some kind of um something in place to to give the property owner um that that that's going to go forward as plan fantastic Carter and uh Mr John would you mind confirming that because you mentioned I'm not sure is is the property owner in question the ABC Roofing or is it someone else or something else it's the it's the one that's um let's see APN 17 and we do have a conceptually we have a deal conceptually yes okay thank you sir there's not an easement there's an encroachment we need permission so yes thanks Jo thank you appreciate it commissioner vill way question for the applicant just so you know I'm not at a solid no I'm just trying to do thorough analysis to to make the right decision and it I'm on the fence because is there anything I can do to help I I think commissioner Ro Meer may have said better than I said we're talking about you know when you do enhancement of the area that's way up on the slope that's disturbance and that's what's kind of confusing here well what I mean how do you define enhancement is the natur isn't the natural Fe is it so you're saying it's already been Disturbed I'm saying the Wetland area and everything that goes with that sits at the bottom and I I I showed you those photos that kind of just pop that that jumps out at you that remains as it is we're talking the area of up there on the sage I could show one other well I look go for it while you do that I just this one right here you see that photo on the right in the area way above at the dry sage area do you see that up on the hill so that's right where you have the grade break and then the flat land that's where we're doing the wall and the planting but I think your definition of enhancement is different than mine because I would say this is beautiful as it is is and your definition of enhancement is developing on it no it's really on the flat land and I know there's a lot going on here with these three-dimensional things in a flat piece of paper but uh so one one of the things you brought up it's a good point we went around and around and around here and I appreciate what Carter said and I wanted to share this with you because I'm trying to acknowledge uh and show a lot of respect to your questioning um the you remember he said the the from a staff perspective and it was a collective very broad deep deep perspective was the Wetland the drainageway and the hillside in that immediate area between Virginia Street and where the actual project area happens above that across it and then above it what took precedent and that sort of drove all of the analysis and our collaboration with staff you see and and we started with trees and evolve to because the screening thing became so significant and it relates to the aec of which you T talked about that's code compliant that's way more than code compliant we were trying to avoid walls it's not because of disturbance there's a screening element of walls that can be a little bit stoic right and so you want a little softer screen and you do it with landscape staff wanted to be more uh a little more assertive on it and we accepted the condition and and evolved to that double row plus plus the wall so you initially didn't want a wall that's right yeah that's the way we came in thinking about soft screen you know and I mean it's it's a it's a completely Fair analysis and it's very much largely about uh you know about perspective but I mean how okay well we won't get into no no we won't I just wanted to share you you know openly with some uh you know that's helpful I just don't know some background here it's I don't know that we're going to get into whether it makes sense to have it or not have it because but we're we're fine with it right and the applicant's fine with it and that's what we came to and we agree that it all has some purpose and and and and popping the for uh foreground which is the again the arguably i' not want the wall but I don't know the reason why staff encourage the wall why it's necessary to have the wall um and okay and so in the neighborhood I mean we we're you're you're by the applicant is by neighboring residents residential are there walls in that area cuz if we're looking at character of the community do you know off the top of your head where there some there see-through fencing on the residential side right see-through fencing what do you mean what the type of you know the ornamental fence that you can it's open view right but different purpose right if you buy if you buy a house with a yard a smaller yard sometimes you want open view transparent fencing obviously this is not going to get held up on the wall it's just when you look at the totality of kind of all of the things that we're asking for a m we're mitigating this we're asking for alternative equivalent here we're asking for alternative equivalent here we're dodging this we're DOD I mean it's like does it really fit here is my question um and so that's kind of where I'm held up but if you if we can pull up and this will I I'll be quick because I know I've been talking a lot um if we can pull up the map and I think this was Carter I just need to take another look at the with a neighboring land use designations and I think this will help thank you for um for the line of questioning you've answered okay so this is the master plan so we have multifamily General commercial and then what is the so this is master plan what's the land juuse if you can go to the land use the development code that is the the do you want to go to the prev that's the master plan this is the master plan okay huh terrible but okay all right thank you I appreciate it that's all do we have any commissioner delv uh yeah I have a couple of follow-up questions one is um I appreciate some of the views that we've seen looking down from the the comto um Community that's going in there but I actually drove up on the other side of tell us where some of the um apartments and other complexes are and I'm just wondering if you have a facad uh if you can show what it looks like from the front like what the people on the other side of Virginia are going to actually see part Williams associate plan the applicant did not provide that but I think if you the site view analysis kind of gives an idea of what what we're we're intending for that um in that there's these tears of of um I mean I mean the grading goes steps up so our intent was to provide some uh landscape relief at the different tiers in order to provide a more seamless uh integration with the existing Hillside that's there up up on top above the the the tracks um that was our intent and that was why we were pushing so hard on the screening was because we wanted to maintain that continuity as you looked up the um that that that grade got it and then um there was a slide and it show I'm going to go back to what um Sylvia has been talking about there was a slide and it said uh drainage it's an orange I don't know which slide it is um um but if you can pop through some of these slides NOP nope nope no no no it'll be number nine yeah that one yeah so so right there it says area of disturbance and drainage way so I'm kind of I'm still not understanding what the disturbance is because now you're talking about the trees are up here there's a wall but this area of disturbance is not in either of those areas so if you look at the there's I kind of covered it unfortunately but there are these contour lines that run to the pavement those are are in installed grading that they're they're doing they're they're they are changing the grade of the site to to um allow for this development um so the the areas of this the stuff that they're actually disturbing the ground that they're disturbing anything past that green line encroaches into that 15t buffer from the edge of the drainageway and the area that is in yellow or orange is actually within that 100-year Surf Water surface elevation um so that that's actually impacting the drain way directly if that makes sense yeah thank you going back to Commissioners on Zoom commissioner dracul commissioner rer did you have any questions I'm good thank you I guess I'd be ready for discussion when the time comes uh noted thank you uh and actually on that do we have any further questions from the commission or are we ready to move into discussion on this ready for discussion if everyone else is unless vill looks like everybody's ready to move into discussion uh commissioner RM do you want to start sure um so you know this is an interesting site it's got a lot of constraints obviously having a wetland major drainage way I actually think that it's you know given its limited single access although you know they've provided safe access by doing a circular Loop within the site design um it's actually really well thought out uh I actually like this much better than say what you see at Somerset as you come in from the western side where the storage is right up against the road I think this has shown a lot of demonstration and um thought in terms of screening I think staff did a great job working with the applicant in this case so you know the prop the property has General commercial zoning it has a master plan designation in place it's adjacent to Industrial um which is the vision for the future to the north uh this is Virginia Street this is not a Suburban neighborhood I I I think this is a really good fit and uh I hope my fellow Commissioners can see that as well thank you commissioner uh do you have any further comments from the commission commissioner B sure thank you chair um Al Echo uh commissioner rm's sentiments there um no project is ever perfect coming in youall have heard my personal opinions about storage units in the past but regardless you know I W that kind of cloud um what's presented to us um and what's proposed by staff and and the applicants and uh I do want to say that uh Carter and the rest of the staff always do a good job working with the applic to to make something better um and I do think that that's the case here um to to address the concerns both environmental uh residential and and some of the other areas that we consider when reviewing these projects um I also want to give a personal note of appreciation to uh commissioner V NOA to my left I think her line of questioning is critical and also strives to make our projects better so thank you for that and thank you everyone else andk commissioner uh further discussion commissioner V sure yeah I um so while I disagree that this project makes the site better I don't I mean I think part of what you know in addition to some of the constraints of the site I think part of the reason why I had so I I am having such a hard time is because some of the spot zoning and that's not the fault of the applicant that's the fault of kind of the decisions that have come before us um and have resulted in the mess that you see up there with industrial near residential near suburban mixed juuse near um and again so given what it is and given the circumstances um I don't think it's an enhancement but I don't I you know I think it's a the applicant I think I I I I can I feel fine moving forward with a yes it's not great but I think they've worked within the confines um again I um were the circumstances different were the some of the decisions that have come before us uh not resulting in what we have here with some of the zoning my decision may be different but it's hard for me to say it doesn't fit into the character of the community when the community there's no character um it lacks character so um so I'm I I feel like I have to be a yes um in that case but um yeah tough choice thank you commissioner Dracula did you have uh any discussion all good boss thank you commissioner uh commissioner delard did you have any discussion um I just kind of want to Echo what um commissioner um Villanova is talking about for me it's you know I understand it it's a very it's a very strange location it's skinny you've got all kinds of different constraints and I think that um you know as we in the city look at you know planning and some of the use cases and conditions we're putting in place it's just this is a good example to like look back on and say this maybe this wasn't the best um you know I don't know situation um and uh hopefully it'll help us uh plan better in the future thank you commissioner uh wrapup discussion um you know I I think it's fairly black and white given the uh the code considerations the master plan considerations that we have I do commend the applicant and staff for coming up with a solution to try and make this workable I think given kind of the allowable uses in the area as well as some of real world constraints this makes a lot of sense given what you know given kind of the the single point of entry and some of the other kind of issues that that came up um you know it it is an appropriate development I think think they've had kind of the proper Mig against put in place so I'll be supporting it um but understand you know maybe some of the other comments about the the area being um you know sort of Peace meal together not as uh straightforward is is maybe some other areas that we see but um with that I'll entertain a motion happy to make a motion sure okay but I will rely on the uh assistance of the esteemed staff can we please get the motion back on the on the teleprompter please all right uh thanks crew it's on the lower one so I'll do my best um shoot let me get the um case number um in the matter of LDC 24-65 Virginia Village Self Storage based upon compliance with the applicable findings I move to approve the conditional use permit and alternative equivalent compliance subject to conditions and I can make the findings and commissioner we have a motion do we have a second commissioner Dracula I second we have a motion and a second all those in favor hi hi yo any opposed motion passes unanimously good luck with your project very much we will now close item 4.1 and move to item 4.2 LD C 25-9 need to speed and it looks like we'll get a presentation from staff goodness all righty uh good evening members of the Planning Commission treston Rodriguez assistant planner for the record treston pronounced like Preston but with the T and I'm bringing before you the third case of the night LDC 25 00009 need to speed this developed 18.1 acre parcel is generally located east of US Highway 395 North approximately 130 ft south of its intersection with North McCarron Boulevard the subject site is part of the existing Northtown Marketplace shopping center this request seeks a conditional use permit to permit the establishment of a bar lounge or Tavern along with outside amusement or recreation activities on a parcel zoned General commercial GC the immediate surrounding land uses include but are not limited to multif family residential to the South restaurants General retail stores and general personal service uses to the north and east and the aforementioned us 395 North to the West the key issues are compatibility with surrounding uses and operational impacts the zoning district is General commercial GC which is intended to accommodate a mix of established low intensity Auto oriented uses while supporting the gradual transition of the city's Suburban corridors to a mix of highdensity residential retail commercial and other employment and service oriented uses the master plan land use designation is Suburban mixed use and here are a handful of goals and policies that are supported by and support the proposed project regarding the issues that staff looked at was compatibility with surrounding land uses while the surrounding land uses are mostly developed as commercial uses the subject parcel does share a common property line with the Northtown Summits Apartments shown here while the majority of the proposed improvements are located inside the existing tenant space there is also an outdoor amusement and Recreation area proposed with the improvements this outdoor area is located a significant distance from the Northtown Summit Apartments typical operational impacts associated with bars and outdoor entertainment and amusement uses include uh nuisance and Patron behavioral issues cleanliness and orderliness issues security and noise and an effort to mitigate potential conflicts with existing businesses and apartments condition number five requires all Patron queuing in and out of the business shall be through a single primary entrance with the exception of emergency situations condition number six requires patrons awaiting entrance as well as those leaving the establishment to be monitored as to not create a nuisance by obstructing the sidewalk in the area of the business or adjacent businesses and they shall also have security person or excuse me security Personnel shall also be stationed outside um to enforce order condition number seven requires the operator to ensure that all adjacent sidewalks curbs and gutters are cleaned prior to closing and all litter into de debris be removed at closing and condition number eight requires a security plan to be submitted and approved by the zoning administrator code enforcement and ropd so what you're looking at now is the floor plan that was submitted to the city I understand in this view it's hard to capture all of its contents in the sub quent slides I will provide an in-depth section um of each building and outline the the triggers which is which um has this item before the body um so as I outlined the two green squares represent the bar lounge or Tavern areas the blue outline represents the outdoor amusement and Recreation Area um those are the reasons why this item is before the body in other words if the applicant had no intentions of a bar and if they removed this outdoor amusement Recreation component from their proposal all items indicated on the site plan um are uses permitted by right in The General commercial zoning District okay so let me help you Orient yourself in the bottom right hand corner is the site plan from the previous Slide the Red Square represents the section of the site plan that we're looking at um on the left here um and as I did in the previous slide I've outlined those triggers again the bar area um circled in green and the outdoor Amusement uh Recreation Area in blue again using the site plan at or the floor plan in the bottom right hand corner we moved a bit South in the building as you can see there is a bar area that's the main bar area adjacent to the indoor track all right and this slide is the last section of the floor plan as you can see there is no there are no triggers for a cup with in this section now as I've gone through the past three slides some of you may have seen things like go-karts restaurants duck pinned bowling um the go-karts mini golf areas from a use perspective are classified as indoor amusement and Recreation which in The General commercial zoning district is a use permitted by right with no discretionary review required the same goes for a restaurant here are the conditional use permit recommended findings and staff can make all findings and here's the recommended motion and both I and the applicant are available for questions great thanks so much for your presentation thank you do we have a presentation from the applicant on this item as well sure why not if you want to point to something just use this right this is how you would change it right there all right uh my name is Chris utar I'm the owner of need the speed uh we are an indoor family entertainment or indoor cing Center family entertainment center we're located in South renal currently we've been there for uh 12 years now we're looking to relocate and expand and uh this is the plan that we have in front of you so uh I'm not going to spend a lot of time on the floor plan because trusting that a great job of that so I'll show you some renderings uh our attactions our menu and then there were a couple comments that came in ahead of time address those and answer any questions you have uh so need the speed like I said we've been here for 10 years more than 10 years new location we have a multi-level gokart track I believe that's the only one in the entire state of Nevada 12 Lanes to duck Pin bowling uh completely revamped nine whole mini golf course um 50 to 60 piece arcade full servant restaurant and bar and then we'll have a private event space for meetings conferences whatever uh and of course we're planning to repurpose the old Walmart garden center into an outdoor patio with long games we're going to skip that CU trest knocked that out of the park uh there is a rendering of the minigolf area with the bar that Services both indoor and outdoor patio area this is the main entrance our people check in that heads down into the arcade area at the end of the arcade is the restaurant sampling of the uh menu although Gabe that's not up to date because we don't have the uh carat of tacos on there yet but um and then we'll have also larger uh catering options for large events the 12 Lanes of Pin bowling two of them on either side for semi-private events um and finally the outdoor patio area so prior um during the public comment period we did get a few concerns I just want to talk about uh how we see that uh so somewhere regarding uh traffic in the area security queuing um you know this was built as a Walmart Super Center and US combined with our neighbors Planet Fitness Ross and Flor and de core will never be as busy as the Walmart Super Center was um I wish we were but we just won't be uh and then prior to that was a Teleperformance call center and they had hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of cubicles uh lined up um CU they were still there when I first toured the building and we've converted about a third of the space in the go-kart track that would have a maximum of 30 people in that area and then we've Tor out a bunch of other and put in Bowling Lanes so our Peak capacity will be far lower than than was the prior use um and obviously our restaurant seating is a little less dense than their cubicle Farm was too because you know it's just nicer that way um and then uh obviously as mentioned we are going to have to develop a security plan and we're perfectly willing to do that we are going to have dedicated Security on the weekends we will have somebody at the front door checking and guests uh every single uh minute that we're open our feedback we got was regarding bar lounge or Tavern again we're not we don't consider ourselves a bar lounge Tavern we're a family entertainment center right we want you to come there have fun bring kids grandkids have a birthday party come for a graduation party have a fundraiser whatever have a team building event um you guys should all come down and have an event yourselves right um that's who we are but like any other place that is a full service restaurant we will have Alcohol Services uh available uh to people who want that so um but anyways that's the actual uh permitting language bar lounge or Tavern we're family entertainment center um and then also too I just saw that were um there was some concerns about you know people leaving a bar and being intoxicated and what not we're very cognizant of that because we need to monitor that for our own use uh for insurance purposes we need to make sure that nobody drives our Gokarts while under the influence of anything right and so we are very um aware of anyone who might be uh Under the Influence whether that is you know from something they consumed on our premises or if they already arried drunk at our doorstep right so uh it happens both ways and so we're going to be very cognizant of that at all times and then finally regarding noise in the patio we're just planning four small speakers outside for some ambient music so that people can you know listen to music while they're out there playing cornhole as opposed to listening to the Drone of the cars go by on 3.95 so um and then kind of lastly I would say you know we as we were going through some of the concerns that we got from the community I at one point I just kind of stopped and laughed and said you know they're worried about us queuing line people around on the door and causing traffic jams and stuff and like if we were even half as successful as they're afraid we going to be I'd be thrilled um but I just don't think it's going to happen you know just last week literally ran into the two people uh very close to where our current location is and they had never been there um even though they had heard of us so we're going to try and drag as many people as we possibly can to that area but it's a fight every day and uh we don't anticipate having any any uh Major Impact other than revitalizing an old vacant space and and break a fun uh Event Center to the to the community so with that happy to answer any questions thanks for your presentation we'll now bring it back to the commissioner's four disclosures commissioner villanua please start commissioner villanua familiar with the site commissioner Basera i i attended the neighbor neighborhood Advisory board meeting that uh the gentleman presented at I grew up in the neighborhood and remember when the area was developed as Northtown so I'm familiar with the Cy commissioner delv I am familiar with the site commissioner dracul familiar with the site commissioner R Myer no disclosures commissioner Armstrong I'm familiar with the site we'll now move on to public comment I have no request to speak forums is there anyone wishing to speak via Zoom um we don't have anyone in Zoom but we do have a voicemail we are going to play um we did also receive correspondence that was forwarded to the Planning Commission and entered into the record sounds good you can play the voicemail whenever you're ready all right hi um I live over here in on Clear Acre and McCaron I've seen a uh public notice today next to on Northtown Lane next to um the Planet Fitness that there's a proposed bar going in next door we are there's already a bar in that um in that Mall in that strip mall the does over there on on Northtown and there's another bar um on at Clear Raper and mcaren I don't think adding another bar to this neighborhood is going to be conducive to um how we want to see our community grow you know we have a bunch of kids here there a very busy parking lot a lot of elderly folks you know adding people that are drinking to the mix is probably a really bad idea as well as we have a huge homeless uh population here gang members it it's already going downhill let's not add to that I'm going to have all of my neighbors also call and leave a comment um it just doesn't need to happen in this neighborhood it it it's not going to be an added benefit um to have more drunk people driving in an overwhelmed traffic area so my name is Tammy my phone number 77533 11106 that's all the public comment we have for this item thank you before we close public comment do we have anyone in the Chambers wishing to speak on this item seeing none we'll go ahead and close public comment uh bring it back to the commission for questions commissioner Basera please oh you know it thank you chair um I guess for staff I want to make sure I'm pronouncing your name correctly um treston correct great great to have you is this the first time we have you yes sir great well welcome thank you thank you um the staff report indicates that the applicant will be required to submit a security plan prior to the business license being issued M um would you mind elaborating on what specific criteria the security plan must meet and how the city will ensure that it remains enforced after the business opens absolutely so the the security plan is required to address uh security Staffing and procedures um queuing of patrons hours of operation exterior lighting and procedures to prevent lering outside of the business all right fantastic and prior to approval of that business license we're going to ensure that we have that plan and it's been reviewed fantastic thank you so much um and I'll hold a couple more questions until later understood commissioner villan NOA hi TR hello hi treston I think we met when I was picking up an agenda packet yes um so good to see you up here of course so um can you confirm if we so is the application for a bar lounge or Tavern with so the application has to be with the recreation or Amusement so if we were to approve this and then in a year they decided wanted to sell would the entitlement include just a general bar lounge or would that the the next buyer have to in order to have that entitlement have to have the amusement park um so each of these the bar lounger Tavern and the outdoor Amusement Recreation component would require the need for uh approval of a cup um if the applicant were to sell the land would be entitled and so the next applicant would not have to apply and they would be allowed both of those uses would they be would the next buyer be obligated to have the amusement Recreation with the bar or could they just have the bar without the amusement and Rec like say for example I don't know I'm trying to think of something another just Pub wanted to go in there without Amusement could they do that yeah it is not a requirement for them to do both of those things the land is just entitled in the event that they want to do both of those things so they wouldn't need the amusement they could just have the bar lounge correct okay thank you if I I could add one thing to that they would still be subject to all the conditions that are placed on this project those the conditions of approval associated with the CP would also carry forward to any any new bar use okay thank you including that security plan don't want to forget about Commissioners on Zoom commissioner dracul do you have any questions all good buddy thank you commissioner roer any questions at this time no okay bring it back commissioner did you have a question no just some comments later sounds good uh commissioner baser I think you had a few more questions sure just follow up um TR I'm going to uh ask the applicant to come up if that's all right howdy hi how are you good how are you good see to well yeah likewise um yeah how will how will you handle noise complaints from neighboring residents particularly during times when you're hosting events um will there be like designated staff or other measures in place yeah well I mean obviously prevention is the the main part so um as you kind of see here on the slide that's right there on the South Wall uh where the outdoor area is we're actually building a a wall so it's currently just a fencing area but we're going to enclose that with a wall that'll be a bit of a s Shield uh then the kitchen also juts out that direction making another s shield and then there's an existing wall between us and the apartments to the South which is the only place I anticipate a potential noise complaint coming from I got freeway 395 the Home Depot and ourselves on the other three sides um but in the event that there's a you know a noise complaint it depends what the nature is is it people yelling and screaming that won't happen because we will have security is it the music's too loud we can turn it down and and literally all four speakers can be adjusted uh you know individually too so if it's like the one that's pointed to the South is too loud we can adjust that so um yeah I mean we'll have to take it on a on a Case by case basis but it's 312 ft and we've had three barriers between us and and uh the apartments to the South so we hope that it's on an issue and if it is we will address it thank you so much I do want to just uh take a moment to say thank you for how you presented you know what you're planning to do here and equally important maybe what you're not um or not just um we heard a lot of bar taverns and so forth but I think you mentioned that you're more of a family entertainment center is that right Absol so I mean I have teenage daughter and I intend to let her go and run around this place you know un chap so yeah I mean that that's the type of place we want to be so which is very different than kind of what was described so yeah I believe you guys have a good rep uh reputation down south I like to think so yeah so thank you so much and appreciate your presentation all right thank you yeah thank you commissioner do you have any further questions from the commission or do we want to move into discussion oh commissioner vinoa please yes quick question sorry for staff I'm I'm looking at this I don't so the surrounding areas the commenter public commenter said that there was some other gaming and not gaming sorry um taverns bars I don't see any um is there any that you're aware of because I don't see aies in this um um so there there are several businesses in the area there's it's adjacent to the Planet Fitness flooring liquidate there's there's a Ross the windco um Foods I'm not aware of any other bars in that particular area um off the top of my head currently um but I will say there there are several um restaurants that may include bar uh bar or alcohol service um but specifics I I cannot confirm at that time at this time okay thank you no more no more questions thank commissioner any further questions before we move into discussion seeing none I think we'll move into discussion commissioner delv think you ad Mission you had comments yeah thank you and thank you again for your presentation and thank you um trest for your diligent work on this um I there there is a dois but it's on the other it's on a different street um and I don't really consider that like a bar I think there was a lot of misinformation out there about this I heard people you know I talked to people and they were like you know there's they're going to have concerts that go all night and I'm like I don't that's not what's happening um and so I appreciate you coming here and explaining what it is and um and and I appreciate you moving into North aly's area where I think this would be um you know appreciated um you know I think the noise is a concern but it's against 395 which is probably noisier than anything we we would get from um the location itself um and so I I think this is a good a good use of that space I also in the in just you know the presentation the yellow Mark showed um the parking lot too and so I thought maybe it was going to move out more into the parking lot but I appreciate you defining what it's just staying in the same space that exists now um and then also that is a really interesting space because it goes behind so like where Walmart was the Garden area and then behind it is where like I think their tire places which I think is where the go-kart area is going um so but I think the way that you've set it up um would work really well in that space so that was all I had to say great thanks so much for your comments uh Commissioners on Zoom uh commissioner dracul did you have any comments no thank you commissioner R anything yeah just kudos for you know reusing an empty large space that not many tenants could fill thank you commissioner uh commissioner bisera great thank you chair yeah I'm a fan I think this is great uh I think I mentioned earlier that I I grew up in the neighborhood so I've seen every iteration uh of that space and I think this is a fantastic use I also appreciate the public sentiment that came in but also how the staff and applicant addressed those concerns and uh clarified how it's not just a bar Tavern but more of a family entertainment center which uh frankly we probably need more of and it's cool to have that type of usage uh on this side instead of having to always go to Sparks to the to you know Wild Waters and coconut Bowl which are cool but it's kind of farther away for folks on this side so um yeah fantastic and commissioner commissioner villain NOA thank you um to the public uh commenter I appreciate the comments um I don't see any issues it seems that there is one does but I I just don't see there being any issues with the character of the community being compromised because of the approval of this application um on you know to as an aside I uh want to Echo uh commissioner rer filling the space but also um you know this is not something really in our purview but I just want to comment on it um the so I appreciate the use um I don't know if everyone's heard Surgeon General recently released information Health advisory for parents um basically saying parents are under the most stress that they've been and part of the reason for that is they spend a lot more time with their kids um in spaces uh like this um in a good way but it's just caused more stress uh certainly than Generations past but I think this is a great uh way to kind of alleviate some of that stress and I appreciate um the um the um application being part of that community so thank you thank you commissioner um before entertaining a motion I'll just throw my two cents in uh I think it's a great project I commend the applicant and staff uh to commissioner rm's Point filling these old kind of Walmart Kmart Super Center type of uses is difficult and I think that this is actually a great use for the area um I'll be supporting the project and you know good luck I I hope you're more successful than you anticipate being um I I hope the community appreciates um the service you know that you you'd be providing with your business and uh trust and great presentation I don't know if this is your first presentation to Planning Commission but it's the first presentation I've seen and just appreciate your preparedness um you're very concise very eloquent so thanks again uh with that I will entertain a motion happy to commissioner vinoa thank you um with regard to application LDC 25009 uh based upon compliance with applicable findings I move to approve the conditional use permit subject to the conditions lifted listed in the staff report we have a motion do we have a second commissioner B second we have a motion and a second all those in favor I I motion passes unanimously good luck with your project we'll now close item four and move to item five zoning code discussion and it looks like we'll get a presentation from staff chair would it be possible to take a quick break or do we anticipate this being lengthy I think that's appropriate I think a f- minute break is is okay sorry to jump the gun there uh so we will reconvene at 7:45 let you're right you're right e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e live zoning code discussion we will get a presentation from staff okay thank you for the record Angela fous assistant director with development services tonight we're going to be talking about a specific text Amendment related to Signs Now I I would like to maybe just start the presentation by acknowledging we have a lot of public comment that came in um one thing that I will acknowledge is that there was a lot of misinformation out there and so I'm hoping that through today's presentation I can better educate the public and help educate the Planning Commission so that you can then make some um decisions or some provide some feedback based on facts rather than a lot of the the misinformation that is out there so let's start with where we're at with the zoning code cleanup versus where we're at with the sign code text M now they both started at the same time when we met with Council back in June of 2022 so over two years ago we were talking about the zoning code and some big things that we had to clean up and then just big picture the zoning code clean up so they initiated a series of different text amendments one of them was specific to the code cleanup again that's the the big picture stuff we're I think up to 500 now different changes that we're making related to high level zoning code cleanup other than that we we have more specific sign code text Amendment now when we adopted our code our our major code in 2021 it was acknowledged that we should do a separate text Amendment related to signs we also acknowledge that there's typically a lot of um kind of high level legal issues associated with a sign code so we should probably include an attorney as part of that discussion so that was something that as staff we said we don't want to take on that there's a lot of responsibility to make sure we're meet meeting all the rules and regulations at the federal level so we said we want to do that with the help of a consultant so again both of those two separate items were kicked off at the same time we initially started by with the sign code specifically we hired the consultant and then we went out and we did what we call like an initial just kind of feedback from the stakeholders we met with Scenic Nevada we met with the billboard industry we met with the sign industry meaning the companies that actually submit sign permits and the intent was for for those of you that have used our sign code we want to know what you like what you don't like there's a lot of things from a staff perspective that doesn't work there's a lot of things in our sign code that staff says holy cow I don't know what was intended I don't know what this means let's clean that up so again in talking to all the different specific sign code or sign um stakeholders we put a list together of those big picture items now separate from that we also said well let's work on the zoning code update and there were some key things that we said well related to signs what do we need to fix high level quickly right now on our zoning code text Amendment um we always knew that those would be two separate processes we felt the sign code was probably going to take us a couple years to get through versus the zoning code cleanup we thought that that would be much quicker it's kind of been the opposite our zoning code cleanup is now in the multi-year process um it was kind of halted when we went to council and they said take everything out dealing with affordable housing and focus on that do that as a separate text Amendment so that took us about six months so with all of this we definitely have had this overlap of things that we've talked about with signs as part of the zoning code cleanup and things that we're talking about specific to the sign code so what we're going to do is anything related to changes to signs we're pulling out of the zoning code cleanup so that discussion we're just going to put on hold anything we talked about we're going to pull out and make it specific to this sign code text Amendment so that is the redline document that's in front of you today again it was very high level small things we want to change and a deeper dive things we want to change so again we met with the the stakeholders in the spring of 2023 about a year and a half ago we we went back and here's kind of the outcome of that initial meeting well there's a series of I think three different meetings um but number one is we have a table it's a sign table and it's it's confusing and needs to be simplified so number one that was kind of unified anyone that uses our sign code said yeah simplify it just make it easier to understand secondly there was a lot of just formatting unclear language just inconsistencies uh we have sections in our sign code that conflict with other sections of our zoning code so we said it's an inconsistency clean that up and then a lot of things again from a staff perspective we don't know what that was supposed to mean so we went back and we said let's clean it if if you ask a planner a question and you ask another planner the same question we should get the same answer and so as we've been kind of working on these red lines we've been doing some test cases we'll throw out a question to our planning staff and say Here's the same question send me your answer and if we're getting different answers we knew we haven't dealt with it correctly ly so we again we've really tried to hone this in to make sure our staff understands how to read it and then finally content neutrality this is where the attorneys really helped us you know when you deal with content neutrality that is something more at a federal level that we should be looking at signs for certain things um certain things we are not supposed to be looking at so they gave us some verbiage to help make us sure make sure that we're meeting Federal Regulations now with that we initially talked about kind of stripping the entire Zone the sign code and starting fresh but again after we held those stakeholder meetings we realized we don't need to strip this and start fresh so there's some things that maybe we're okay with so scenic Nevada in particular said do not touch the off premise regulations this is anything related to Billboards there's a long history of lawsuits and battles um and so the way that our our code is written now specific to Billboards scening Dada said they like and we shouldn't make changes too so um again what we're not doing is not making changes to anything related to Billboards we also had a lot of previous discussions with Council related to animated signs where we allow them how bright they can be we call that nits there was multiple text amendments on this topic and so we're not touching that a lot of discussions with Council that had happened and occurred so we're not breaking open that Pandora's Box we're going to leave it as is and then finally on gas stations there was a lot of uh previous discussions and tex amendments related to those gas station signs the ones that have like the digital signs where how how many times a day can you change them um there's NRS regulations so state regulations related to gas station signs we're not proposing to open that we're going to leave it as is so we wanted to go through and highlight just a couple of the key things that we're looking at as part of the code cleanup related to sence so number one when we adopted this code in 2021 we changed some of our zoning districts and and inadvertently we did not include five separate zoning districts in our sign table so that table on the right is just an example of what's in code today as you can see we dictate the size of a sign and the area of a sign based on what your zoning district is and so we we missed the mixed juuse airport which is similar to Industrial so we've added that back in Parks Greenways in open space it's a zoning District that we typically use for Parks we've added that back in and you may think well why do you need sign regulations for Parks Greenways and open space if it's just Parks most of our Parks do have some kind of sign it's usually like a a monument sign just more of the name of the park so we added some regulations to make sure we have rules um of how big those signs can be and then these three categories for what we call unincorporated transition these are the larger Lots 5 Acres 10 acres and 40 acres it's really kind of a mix between um the city and where the unincorporated waso County are so again that that kind of outer area and we still need sign regulations a lot of those types of zoning districts have businesses maybe they do horse boarding um we have some some Winery type Vineyard type places so we actually do need sign regulations for every single zoning category that we have so again clean that up just made sure now we actually can say no matter what zoning districts you're in we have rules another basic one was just definitions we found that we mentioned word monument sign quite a bit in our sign code but we don't Define what a monument sign is and so we would have projects come in and they would show a pull sign or they would show um some other type of sign because we didn't Define what monu Monument was staff had a hard time saying well what are the rules then how how tall can it be and how wide can it be so we added a definition we also had some just kind of uh cleanups I would say to freestanding signs and what's considered freestanding now there's different types of signs there's signs that go on walls we call those wall signs there's signs that are separate and the two pictures there are those freestanding type signs whether they're a monument Style on top or a pole sign on bottom but we still count those as freestanding and so we better defined what those are and then content neutrality this is the one where we worked with our consultant and and had them help us come up with some language um the one thing we are not supposed to look at is what's on the sign we can look at the size of the sign we can look at again what zoning District's in um to figure out should are they allowed to have a wall sign are they allowed to have a freestanding sign those things we can look at but we're not supposed to look at the content of the sign we can look at if the sign is advertising on premise or off- premise so as an example let's say you have a McDonald's you have a sign out front that's advertising for Target we can look at the content and say whoa whoa whoa that's considered off premise if you're McDonald's you can only advertise for McDonald's you can't advertise for some other business so this again kind of clarifies what we can and can't look at there's a couple areas I just wanted to highlight as examples there's many things that we we we have difficulty implementing but here's a couple key ones that I wanted to go over again this is just a small uh snapshot of what is in our zoning code today as an example this NC zoning so that's neighborhood Zone neighborhood commercial zoning District so if you go over the table and say okay I can have so much um freestanding sign meaning the height of my sign how big my sign is and then when it comes to the wall area so there's some language here kind of makes sense okay I can have one square foot of wall signage for every 100 gross floor area of the building so basically you have to measure the size of the building then you divide it by 100 and that's how many square feet of wall sign you get okay fine with that highlighted area then so all signs combined shall not exceed 400 square square feet per parcel well that may seem to make sense where we ran into problems is shopping centers Zone neighborhood commercial so let's say you have a shopping center and it has 20 different businesses it's all on one parcel and this is saying that one parcel with those 20 different businesses only gets 400 square ft of signage and what we found is over time new Tenants come in they go out the ability for us to track every single business um over time has become very very difficult it's also fair to say that 400 square F feet of wall sign goes very very quickly and so you're basically saying if you came in late to the game or maybe your a tenant that has um not been there for very long there's a chance you wouldn't be allowed any wall sign at all because that 400 square ft per parcel has been exceeded so we said whoa whoa whoa let's clean that up let's just make sure everybody gets a minimum square footage we don't want to have a site that has no sign allowed um so at a minimum and again in that neighborhood commercial zoning you would get a minimum of 40 square F feet per business another area is related to our public facility zoning PF minimum I'm sorry maximum min oh okay it should be maximum no um no I'm sorry it's minimum I take that back so again um you still have to meet all the codes so depending on the size of your building um you would get a minimum square footage but if there's if there's no square footage left because every other business has used all the wine the wall sign square footage you are entitled to something so but it's still based on the but it's still based on the parcel yes not based on the number of businesses the so and we've we've completely revamped that whole section but this is an example of why we had to revamp it um we no longer measuring square foot per 100 gross floor area that also didn't make sense to us so we the way we measure it proposed to measure it for wall sign is based on your business Frontage so you would measure how wide of a building you have and you would get basically one square foot like tenant building or so let's say you have like so for example the applicant we had earlier there was a bunch of businesses different tenants so um explain so it doesn't matter how many tenants it just depends y so that would be a great example so let's say Need for Speed is in there and WinCo is in there and whatever else they said Ross is in there so each business is going to come in for their own signage and when they come in you guys for a sign permit okay got it okay so when they come in we would say well show us how much business Frontage you have and that determines how much wall sign you get so if you have a really narrow small business you don't get much wall signage but at a minimum you should at least get 40 square feet the bigger Frontage you have the more square feet you have so how what's the enforcement tool for that like anytime someone rents out leases a space from like a larger tenant the tenant has to advise them that they need to go get approval pre-approval or does the tenant have that seems like hard to enforce every sign is required to have a sign permit so that is just like a building code if you're going to build a house you have to go through a building permit if you're going to put up a sign you have to have a sign permit okay so I guess if a large tenant say well I guess okay the oh okay let me think about this so like need for speeds they're a tenant but the parcels they're all separate so okay got it thank you did you have a question as well no I was just thinking with Need for Speed because it is a good example because they have a pretty short front but they have a wider back and then they have that what was the outdoor Garden area but they would be held to a minimum of 40 ft most most likely because they have a very narrow front mhm and the the challenge with that too is you know the the bigger wider building you have the more square footage you have the more we're going to see so you want to make it the sign should be proportional to the size of your building what we don't want to see is you know a a really tiny building coming in with this giant sign so we make it at a minimum you at least get 40 square feet so everybody gets something but if you have a a wider Frontage then you get more signage we do cap it so there's a cap of 400 ft per building so a great example it's not it's a different zoning but let's just say Whole Foods let's assume Whole Foods was zoned neighborhood commercial they're not but use that as pretend um so Whole Foods has two sides they have two frontages one Frontage I think is about 360t long the other Frontage I think is about 300t long my numbers might be off but generally speaking then okay so based on how long their frontages and they have two they would get a lot of signage but again we're going to cap it at 400 square F feet so you add up your total Frontage and you get you know one square foot per per linear foot of Frontage with a cap Angela quick question is the 400 just something from best practices or how did you all just kind of come up with that number it was in the code from again the last 20 years worth and so we said all right well I haven't heard a lot complaints about 400t being the cap so we're going to keep that number yeah is is there a a business that has one at 400 sare feet oh I'm sure I mean there's thousands of businesses 400 okay and again use use Whole Foods as your example right if they are 360 ft in length on one side they would be allowed a sign that could be potentially um up to 400 square ft okay okay so that was again just kind of one example where we said this doesn't make sense let's clean that up so another example of what we were calling just more of this doesn't make sense let's fix this public facility zoning so you see a lot of churches zoned public facility a lot of schools we also have quite a few businesses this could be anything from a hair salon to an office um type you so it's it's not just what you would think is public facility there's a lot of commercial type uses that are allowed in that public facility Zone Zing so we actually see a lot of signage come in zoned public facility so the way it's written today I wanted to highlight the area and yellow it says for a freestanding sign so this is a sign that's not on a wall this is a sign that's outside in your let's say front yard 6foot Monument established by conditional use permit now depending on how you read that is 6 foot Monument the Max and do you have to get a conditional use permit to get that or is it saying you can go up to 6 feet and anything beyond that is a conditional use permit so again this is something that for for years has been in code and we've said I don't know depending on who you g who you ask you get a different answer so let's just stop doing that and clean it up so it's black and white what are the rules now we looked at PF zoning and the types of businesses that are allowed it's very similar to businesses that we would allow in a neighborhood commercial zoning or professional office zoning so we tried to make them more consistent in those other two zoning districts we we also allow um 8ft tall Monument signs we said okay just to be consistent that seems to make sense and then in terms of the square footage so if you look to that category kind of to the right where it says 15% of allowed wall sign area and I'm like okay so what does that mean so my freestanding sign can be 15% of a wall sign well what did they allow for wall signs we allow 12 or 10 square ft per acre per acre of parcel or per acre of building what are we talking about again none of this makes sense if I ask five different people you guys will all give me five different answers so let's clean that up so we made it consistent to match more with um what you would see in a neighborhood commercial or professional office knowing that um again public facility has a lot of businesses so we're giving them 60 square feet that's the maximum square footage they would get for a freestanding sign and again that's not shown here cuz I wasn't highlighting that but if you read the the red line or the staff report it goes into more detail and then we cleaned up just that whole area to say gosh you know how do we make this make sense again 10 square feet per acre of of what that doesn't make sense either so we cleaned all that language up we also said so should every sign in public facility zoning trigger a conditional use permit we don't currently read it that way depending on who you are you may so we said no no no this is what you get by right um let's take out this additional if you want additional signage you go through a conditional use permit no no here here's the code here's the rules nothing new nothing on top of that so cleaned it up so this is what you would be allowed to do by write any business own public facility so just Clarity on that Angela using your example you said the six foot Monument that's old now or at least proposing to be old someone could get an 8 foot tall Monument anything beyond that would trigger the conditional uh process no we have deleted the ability to do anything above that okay we felt that um it's weird that in public facility we allowed you to expand that with a conditional use permit where in other zoning districts there is no allowance to go bigger and a conditional use permit is not even the right tool to use you know that would be more of I want to deviate from code so that would either be a variance um and you have to show there's a hardship it is very very hard to get a hardship for a sign to go bigger um or you could do a major deviation but again we don't get a lot of requests to do variances for signs um because we pretty much recommend denial for most of them okay and so you know fast forward to the future um at the end of the day folks will be able to uh like in your department would be able to reference the same source of truth if you will and be able to give folks anyone the same answer to to the same question yes and the idea is that any business owner could hopefully now go to our code and understand what it says this nobody understands what it says Okay um so we tried to clean that up to be across the board consistent here's the rules that everybody gets if you're in the PF zoning District here's how tall you can go here's your squ frage if you want to wall sign here's the rules on wall signs um quick question in terms of signage that exists today is that all sort of grandfathered in yes yep the the the key to that is you have have to have a sign permit that we approved so um it can't be something we have people um you know businesses that put up signs without a sign permit so we don't go actively looking at signs that are permitted or not but if a neighbor complains there's a Code Enforcement case we site them and say submit a permit um so if we have a situation where you can show we have the the backup we have the history because we do all the sign permits if we can show that we approved it at one time it was legal so it' be legal non-conforming you can't EXP it um the size that you have today is the size that you have to live with unless this allows you for more square footage say a football field public facility at a high school what are those scoring boards are they not 8 feet I don't know how tall they are they seem like they' be we wouldn't consider that a sign because they're not advertising anything they're showing numbers that's fair okay thank you okay so the next kind of big topic that we're trying to clean up is all of our our footnotes again if you look at our zoning code we have this long sign table and at the end of it we have these 13 different footnotes and I think the problem with this is these have been in our code for two decades and maybe they made sense at one time maybe over the years they just kept getting added to but we went back and we said holy cow how do we clean this up again if you're a business owner trying to figure out how much signage you have this is a nightmare for them to figure out so just as an example footnote number five so let's say you're in a commercial zoning District great I figured that out and it says you can double the square footage of your sign meaning the size of your sign number one if you're on an arterial roadway and they may say well what's an arterial roadway we'd say well we actually have multiple definitions for arterial roadways we have major arterials we have minor arterials RTC also designates arterial roadways OT are also designates arterial roadways none of them are consistent so from an U an implementation perspective how do we decide who's on an arterial and who's not becomes very problematic depending on who you ask am I on an arterial you may get a different answer over time Road uh designations also change so you may have an area that you know really hasn't been used that much but then over time it developed and so it went from maybe a collector Road and now it's designated as an Aro road so how do you keep keep up with that whose job is that so that's issue number one with number five the second part is okay so I can double my square footage if I'm on an arterial okay and if the speed limit is 35 miles an hour or greater well I can easily go and just see what the speed limit is but you know what speed limits change all the time so again it's this constant how are we catching up how do we know these things every time we re review a sign permit do we have to drive out there and see what the speed limit is no no no we can just look at Google Earth no no no don't look at Google Earth because speed limits change and Google Earth may not have the most upto-date speed sign so again these are one of the the an example of this isn't working why do we have this in here it doesn't make sense from the user it also doesn't make sense from a staff perspective so we looked at each of these 13 and we said what can we just put in the table as required or not or what just doesn't make sense and we should take out so we took out the majority of them or integrated them into the table itself and we now have four footnotes so we went from 13 to four all right and then in terms of entitlement So within our sign section we have different triggers for what has to go through either a conditional use permit or a major site plan review or a minor site plan review all related to signs and we took a step St back and said why is a conditional use permit even discussed in signs a sign isn't a use a use would be restaurant a sign is more of a feature we need to look at the character of the sign again how does it fit architecturally right we're looking at different things so we said well what would be the right entitlement process major site plan review does require going to the NAB and does require going to Planning Commission so from that perspective um we said well that still makes sense so let's let's look at all the there's three basic reasons that you would have to go through an entitlement listed there um if you're a gaming facility a non-restricted gaming operation like a casino and you want to go taller than 100 feet you could do that through a major site plan review right now the code says you can do that through a conditional use permit so we're just changing the words conditional use permit to now a major site plan review both go to you guys so from a process perspective you guys still get to see it also within our mixed juice downtown Entertainment District that same language applies so anything in the downtown core if you want to go taller than 100 ft and this is any type of use um you would have to go through that major site plan review so that seemed easy that the second one is if you're a sign greater than 150 square F feet and located within 150 ft of the trucky River the intent here is to kind of maintain that aesthetic nature of our trucky River so that language is already encode we didn't want to change it but we actually that was a site plan review which does not come before you guys so so we elevated that up to be a major site plan review just for consistency so a little bit more public review if you're near the trucky River and then finally on oh quick question Angel sorry one fantastic and two Ju Just for a point of reference or what would be 750 ft from I guess is it the trucky or is it 150 ft 150 ft from the trucky River what would be a good example I'm trying to would it be what would be a good point of reference like uh Thomas aquinus or is that too far out um I mean let me just think about if you are in the river um walk area so there's the Riverside Hub is over there there's some commercial businesses oh okay yep the Renaissance pretty much right adjacent like okay PEB St yeah um and then that final one this is already in code if you're doing that animated or digital sign if you're within 750 ft of residential zoning right now the code says if you trigger that It Go requires a conditional use permit so we just changed the type of entitlement not a conditional use permit because we're not talking about a use a major site plan review because again we're talking about a sign so goes to NAB goes to Planning Commission same public review process a quick question on that is it an apologies I haven't read the whole thing yet um but is it uh documented that it's digital and animated signs just again to sort of alleviate any confusion it's like either or okay yep but and it's written in there yep okay thank you and Angela one more question if you don't mind if we go back uh yeah on the last one animated signs within 750 ft of residential zoning CU as you know we received a lot of public comment on on some of this and um I think you said this is existing correct it is okay um in the downtown Corridor what would be some common residential areas so right now the Cod cond and all that um it's based on residential zoning so where you would see where we allow animated signs within our downtown or MI juice um anywhere in downtown you can have animated science it's mixed juice it's allowed um but more specifically we also look at the main Corridor so Virginia Street North Virginia Street South Virginia Street there's a lot of residential further north and south um Forth Street is also another main Corridor where we allow animated or digital signs lot of residential on both sides of Fourth Street so um again in the core area our kind of Entertainment District we do not have residential zoning but anywhere on Virginia Street or fourth street we do have residential zoning okay and how about on the west side like the new senior apartments that just open up off Washington would that be within that zone or is that they would not be allowed um they're not in our mixed use entertainment core got it okay thanks okay so the bigger topic and I'm going to spend a lot of detail on this one is signs for gaming so for years several decades we have allowed legally established non-restricted gaming so that is a term that's a real term um you have to show that you are again legally established and non-restricted gaming meaning more than you know 16 or more slot machines so this is these are the big casinos this is um tamarak this is Boom toown this is anything on the row all of those casinos as we would typically think of them fall under that category ad do is not a non-restricted gaming they're considered restricted a grocery store where we have slot machines they are restricted so it doesn't apply to them um again truly the big casinos that have that designation of non-restricted gaming they get basically unlimited signage they can do as much square footage as they want they can go as tall as they want up to 100 feet um after it's 100 feet it does require an entitlement review but they have very few rules on sence now the other areas historically where we have allowed un unlimited rules on signs is in that hotel casino zoning District we don't even have that hotel casino zoning District anymore but I wanted to kind of go back in history to see like where we've been over the last 20 years and how we got to the code that's in place today so again this this slide is specific to what our zoning code has allowed between the years 2005 and 2021 one so for a 16-year window you could have unlimited signage if you were zoned hotel casino doesn't matter what your use was you just had to be zoned hotel casino you could also have unlimited signage if you were zoned downtown Reno Regional Center Entertainment District that's everything in red you think huh so for for 20 years we've had unlimited signage in the downtown it doesn't matter what your use is you are zoned downtown Reno reach Center plan unlimited signage just so we're clear on that so that kind of acreage between that hotel casino zoning and that Entertainment District was about 146 Acres now fast forward 20121 just to confirm we're talking size shape animated non we're not talking off premises on premises no Billboards this Billboards are a completely different thing we're just talking okay got it thank you you have to be advertising the business that you're yeah so we're just talking size shape animated non-animated um signage okay thank you yep okay so again for for the years 2005 to 2021 this is what was allowed so let's just confirm that because we've had a lot again misinformation saying staff's wrong staff's lying you guys are making this up let's go to the facts this is the code that was in place that talked about science so I highlighted HC so again HC zoning any use didn't matter if you are a gaming facility or not you could have been Joe's Pizza you had unlimited signage this is what the code said you guys all get that okay here's also what the code said remember all those footnotes we talked about so it said legally established nonrestricted gaming can use the HC sign requirements so again if you were one of those big casinos and you were technically a legally established non-restricted gaming you got to use the unlimited signning questions on that okay now uhhuh is there an example of an entity using that um I guess privilege of who any entity like is it just as an example oh I mean all the casinos had have used use it okay freely have you mean look at any casino that has a bright animated sign right it's not small yeah they're all very large okay but I I'm just trying to wrap my mind cuz you said until 2021 so I'm trying to get because our code changed right and I'm going to walk you through that in just a minute my head okay got it so we're still focused on what had been in place between 2005 and 2021 so this is all in our sign table great easy to get to it's in the sign code super easy now what was not in the sign code section but was in a very different section of our zoning code so again you probably have to know what you're looking for to find this we had the Entertainment District remember that map I showed you of the red area that was the downtown Entertainment District our old zoning code had it as a separate zoning District we had all these other specific zoning districts so if you're in the California zoning District you had different rules if you're in the Keystone Avenue zoning District you had different rules and if it it was rules on like how tall your buildings can be what your building setbacks could be how long you could stay open right very different rules and regulations the Entertainment District the one key thing that came out of that is any use in the Entertainment District could use those Hotel commercial zoning sign standards so again this was a hidden Easter egg that the average person didn't even know was there because it's not in our sign section you have to for Fast Forward probably 200 pages of the zoning code to find this but it had been in code since 2005 so that again is the the one piece of misinformation that nobody seems to understand but here it is black and white this is what the Cod has always said can you define what's the I don't know off the top of my head what's uh consists of the Entertainment District what's the boundaries do that red map you see there and I'll fast forward to another map red map there we go oh okay so this is our downtown area it was a very big area um it extended from Keystone on one side all the way to Wells Avenue on the other side wow okay I 80 was on top and California Avenue was on bottom is that so what what's on I can't see the just north um so you have wells you have Keystone what's the is that a highway is that the river inter the railroad oh that's the railroad okay so the bulk of what maybe you've always thought of kind of the downtown area stretching from Keystone to Wells for all those years had unlimited signage how far south uh the very bottom is South but um yeah South yeah yeah so that kind of that very bottom streets California so you were on California you had unlimited signage and that and that superseded some of the like you can't do this by the truy river any of that that still applied I mean any sign that was within 150 ft still had to go through at that time it was a site plan review got it um so no changes there but again this was a very big boundary for years that had unlimited signage I don't think cck Nevada knew about that based on the letters we've gotten they were not aware that this had been in our zoning code since 2005 was it used I mean hit and miss we haven't had a ton of new businesses come in especially new development if you have an existing building in in a lot of this area they're pretty small so most of them aren't coming in asking for some crazy signage those are probably a lot of law firms real estate and all of our downtown you know you think about when was the last time a new building had been built in the Virginia Street Sierra Street Corridor it's been decades since we've had anything new built within that time frame so again anyone that came in for a sign um you know had unlimited signage no Nobody by right is is going to put in a 100 foot tall sign that nobody's going to see if you have a tall building you may but again 100 feet you know it's like 10 stories like no nobody's looking up to that 10 story building and reading a sign so for the most part it it wasn't something that I think most people even knew about because people weren't the the type of businesses that we're seeing in our downtown aren't the new new businesses they're not giant high-rise right we haven't had a high-rise in downtown R in a long time so this has been something that they have had the right to do all right and I think you mentioned this that it was kind of an Easter egg kind of buried in page 245 somewhere right and um moving forward and maybe you're going to address this have we move those little Easter eggs and surfaced them for discoverability it's a great transition so that that would all happened in our codee between 2005 2021 then in 2021 we adopted the code that's in place today that's our current code now let's talk about what the current code says so we got rid of Hotel commercial zoning that went away that no longer exists we got rid of the downtown Reno Regional Center plan all we used to have tons of Center plans and Transit oriented developer Todd corridors all of those went away so instead now we have different zoning designations so it's it's it's truly comparing apples to oranges because we have very different uses but what happened anywhere that we allowed gaming as a use so if I'm a new casino and potentially I'm coming to Reno to look at where I can go you'd figure out first well where does Reno allow casinos so we have now created a gaming overlay again back in 2021 this was all what was done um a gaming overlay was created you may say well what are the bound of a gaming overlay everything in red is everywhere that is in today's gaming overlay so the big red one is gaming overlay 3 that's everything around the airport there's a lot of businesses around the airport and then the airport itself just north of that is the G GSR kind of to the west of that where it says Reno that is the same downtown Entertainment District so that's our core downtown area you go further to the West we've got Boomtown um further south we've got near the summit SE mall so these are places where if a new casino wanted to come to town these are the areas that they would be allowed to go a new gaming overlay District now within the gaming overlay District I just want to highlight that that area in the middle is the downtown Reno so downtown Reno has maintained the right to have unlimited signage because now everything that was previously allowed to have unlimited signage is what's now the gaming overlay District so let's look at the code and see specifically what that says here's our table today so each zoning district has their own signage we have neighborhood commercial we have professional office then we have a category category called overlays we have many overlays I bet we have probably 12 different zoning overlays we have um again mortson garon overlay District Wells Avenue Country Club Estates I mean the list goes on and on we have a a gaming overlay that's specifically called the gaming overlay District So within our sign code since 2021 again all that that area in red that we were just looking at is where we allow unlimited signage it is not specific to say legally established um nonrestricted again it's it's an overlay so this is the the challenge that we we know we have that we're trying to clean up so here's what we're proposing we're saying that gaming overlay probably was never intended to have unlimited signage sure it's intended to have future casinos but probably not unlimited signage for you know Joe's Pizza so we're trying to go back to is what has been allowed for 20 years so what are the key areas that we've always allowed it legally established non-restricted gaming yep let's give it to you you you guys have always had it let's maintain that and then also in what we now call a zoning District of mixed use downtown Entertainment District and you're thinking well didn't we already have an Entertainment District we did but it was much bigger and our new zoning code it's much smaller so again the old one um was about 146 Acres the new one again since 2021 is 136 Acres so it's it's smaller um remember the old one went all the way to Keystone this one stops at Ralston the old one went all the way to Wells Avenue this one's closer to record street so it is a much smaller more condensed Entertainment District but that's where we have always since 2005 allowed unlimited signage so and and trying to come up with something that made sense of well I don't want to just take away a right that those businesses have had at least without not a public process let's propose something that we think is a win um again we're not trying to give anyone additional signage that they didn't have before if anything we are completely pulling it back gaming overlay is almost 2,000 acres we are pulling it back to that core 136 Acres Angel question on that uh one thank you for this and um what criteria did you use to kind of uh redefine this boundary the Entertainment District so the old Center plan um again had like a California Avenue District it had the core Entertainment District we' worked with a consultant back in the 2019 2020 time frame to create these more specific boundaries and this one really looked at where's your truly like entertainment activity right where do you have Mo most of your n life where do you have bars where do you have businesses operating 24 hours a day um separate from that you know you have this Riverwalk so they have a very different kind of uh Vibe if you're on the Riverwalk area different from your downtown entertainment so we now have all these separate little I would say Mini U zoning District but the downtown core this is truly where at the time when this was created where we see a vibrant entertainment activity type District we don't have a lot of people um coming to downtown Reno expecting it to shut down at 8:00 at night if you're in the core downtown area you kind of assume you have all these casinos around you again a lot of nightclubs vibrant night life um so again going back to the signs this is where since 2005 you know the intent was always to make it a vibrant area Okay so just for clarity though um if you're living in the that little Corridor of orange um one of the condos um uh there wouldn't be neighborhood compatibility criteria for very different I mean you think you go back to the master plan right and the the master plan talks about our core entertainment as really being a mixed use area where we want to see highrise we have unlimited density we have zero parking requirements like that is a very different Vision um compared to a single family neighborhood where we have parking requirements we have height requirements this is the opposite it is we want to encourage mixed use we want to encourage unlimited height and unlimited density so with that in mind yeah we are defin running into challenges of I live in downtown I want it to be quiet after midnight I complet I don't live there but I'm just saying um I completely understand and empathize with that challenge I mean we are really at a Crossroads of what do we want to be when we grow up and what does growing up even look like right cuz I'm all I'm looking on the North side there where it ends on 6th Street I want to say right before sth uhuh but that seems to be uh this was made in 2019 but since then 21 or but said the consultant did it in 2019 we adopted this in 2021 okay so we started working with the public we spent about 2 years working with the public and it was adopted in 2021 okay so since then though UNR has kind of come in closer working with the city to become more of a University Town all that and and they seem okay as a stakeholder with uh unlimited signage if you will uh next to their UNR has not approached us with any concerns okay or agreements of of signage okay yeah um so let's talk about though you know again this this is just a draft this is not the red lines that we're looking at is is just a draft so this is staff's I would say first shot at saying okay based on the feedback we heard from the stakeholders when we said what do you like and not like about our zoning code we we took that we also said staff what do you have trouble actually like administering or implementing let's fix that uh legal what issues do we need to incorporate we fixed that and beyond that we didn't touch anything major our goal was not to say we're going to make major policy changes without direction from anyone our goal was to say here's the basics as a community what are we doing wrong what should we do differently so where we at in the process we held a series of stakeholder meetings in September with this red line we're now at Planning Commission again this is not a draft ordinance for you to approve or deny this is strictly just to get feedback we're going to take your feedback and go to city council they're not approving or denying anything at that point they're just giving staff feedback and so I mean ultimately they set the policy Direction with your input so if there's big things that we should be doing differently on Signs Now is the time to discuss it and then take it to council um ultimately we'll go back and and redraft based on all the the different conversations we've had and feedback we've had most of the feedback that was included in our package was um from I think uh represent representatives from Scenic Nevada but know that there are a a number of other conversations where people have called us and had conversations um everything from the school district right wondering how this impacts their schools um RTC who deals with roads and you think why would RTC care about signs but every time they widen a road and they have to take down Business Signs it affects businesses so a lot of those non-conforming businesses is if a sign gets taken down they're saying whoa whoa whoa they widened my road and required me to take down my sign why am I now required to have a smaller sign so we're having a lot of those side discussions so I do think there's going to be a lot of changes between this version um and the final version but again um just try to be consistent in the mess messaging to make sure we're all speaking from the same information and again hopefully now you kind of have an educated background as to where we've been and maybe the question now is where do you guys think we should be going okay I will stop talking and bring it back to just questions or discussion and we'll be taking notes and like I said reporting back to city council with any any of your feedback awesome thanks so much Angela I think I'm going to move actually into public comment and then we'll come back to the commission I'm sure there's some questions and comments but I do have one request to speak form uh Mr Greg Farrar whenever you're ready uh good evening my name is Greg Ferraro I'm here on behalf of the Nevada Resort Association which is the U Association representing the state's largest industry we will go on the record um complimenting Angela for the presentation today but we're going to take a position of opposition until we can see that final language in January we appreciate the effort that staff has put into this and others but from our standpoint we would rather see the status quo and that language is made public we have a chance to review it and then at that point we'll uh we'll take a new position or or maintain this position but for the record and for your discussion purposes want you to know that we're we're uh in opposition until we see the final language thank you thank you do we have anyone else in Chambers wishing to speak on this item seeing none do we have anyone on Zoom wishing to speak we do have a few participants on Zoom yes great let's uh let's switch to zoom Lori it looks like you're up first uh please unmute and state your name for the record thank you my name is Lori Ray um can you hear me okay yes we can great um and I'm here on behalf of Scenic Nevada a nonprofit all volunteer organization dedicated to protecting and enhancing Scenic Beauty and community character principally through sign control we authored the 2000 ballot initiative approved by 57% of Reno voters to ban new Billboards within the city limits and we've been working on sign issues ever since today we're here to oppose staff's proposal to expand signage in the downtown mixed use Entertainment District I wrote you a letter explaining our position and I hope you had a chance to read it along with our letter you've gotten more than 85 others from Reena residents opposing the draft before you today people think that uh downtown looks bad enough already and don't want it ruined even further with unlimited signage throughout the district as you know City staff has prepared changes to the sign code to allow any business from pawn shops to liquor stores in the district to have 100 foot tall signs with no limit on number size or types of lighting and that includes digital signs with no public input and no public hearings cenix Nevada's request is for you to reject the draft before you and replace it with the first draft submitted to you last April and that's when Miss fo told you the city inadvertently left out a clarification that only casinos were entitled to the largest signs and now she's asking you to add all businesses in the Entertainment District saying that's the way it's been for 20 years and we just don't agree with that since 2021 the current sign code chart says signs in the mixed districts like the downtown Entertainment District are limited to 8 feet tall on Parcels under an acre and from 25 to 35 ft on over an acre and the size um sign the sign size is limited to a maximum 250 square feet and digital signs are only allowed under limited circumstances on today's chart only casinos in the mixed use districts get the largest signs as far as the gaming overlay as Miss Bo told you last April the intention was to limit large signs to casinos so every business in the downtown district has not had unlimited signage for the past 20 years Scenic Nevada and Reno citizens don't want the downtown ruined any further by sign clutter and large digital signs they create a tacky vibe that will repel instead of attract people to downtown they use far too much energy they lead to clutter and blight possibly reducing property values this propos will ruin our sense of place and hurts Community Pride while reducing the ability to have a livable walkable downtown there's no reason to allow this proposal to move forward please ask planning staff to replace it with the first strap presented to you last April that merely clarifies the original intention to limit the largest signs to casinos thank you thank you for your comments uh you said we had a few folks on Zoom correct we do um Tyler you registered to speak if you'd like to speak please unmute yourself and state your name for the record you'll have three minutes Tyler you'll have to unmute yourself if you'd like to make comment okay I think we'll take a beat we do have two voicemails that we can play um while we wait for Tyler yeah sounds good please do hi my name is cathine bohall b o h a l l I'm calling regarding item number 51 uh about expanding the uh signage downtown to include um digital signs and all that and I'm completely against it I feel like our city is um not very attractive and that would only make it worse I hope that matters thank you bye-bye hello my name is Sloan s l o aan McDonald MC D N ald and I'm calling in regard to the issue coming up tomorrow evening in regard to unlimited signage for any business in downtown Reno and I want to acknowledge the fact that I am totally opposed to unlimited signage of any kind for all businesses I'm not even crazy about it with the casinos I realize that businesses and casinos need to advertise however if I wanted to live in Las Vegas I live in Las Vegas we have a very special City in Reno and it needs to stay that way with conservative signage that has proportion limitations as well as Glitz that's all that I have to say thank you very much all right that's it for the vo mails we'll check back in in Zoom Tyler would you like to make comment hi can you hear me yes we can uh please state your name for the record you have three minutes I I wasn't really trying not sure how I got on the comment list but while we're on here I was thinking hi Angela great job um I guess I am interested in when another business comes into a property one of these older ones that have these beautiful kind of neon signs that currently do exist and changes of use will they still be able to use those cool vintage signs or those come down once the property's been uh changed as a a different use what happens to some of those great signs that we still have are they grandfathered in how does that affect this within this title change and that's all I have to say thanks all right that's all the hands RS we have in Zoom um we did receive additional correspondence that was forwarded to the Planning Commission and entered into the record thank you uh with that we'll go ahead and close public comment and bring it back to the commission for questions or comments of Angela we don't have to do disclosure sorry s happy to s Sure happy to kick it off thank you chair and thank you so much Angela and Lauren and your staff uh I know a lot of this you've been you've been here for a while but a lot of this also predates you as you mentioned in your timeline uh so it's no easy feat so just thanks for trying to find solutions to move us forward um I think we heard from Miss Ray uh Lori Ray um uh mentioned that maybe some of what you presented perhaps was contradictory to what's in place would you mind just kind of clarifying for the record as you did before like what's what's true and maybe what's misunderstood sorry Angel can you turn your mic on oh well green go um when we initially started the process Council gave us two directives do a separate sign text Amendment look at the whole sign code do a deep dive fix it they also said do some cleanups on the zoning code so we initially thought oh the zoning code cleanup is going to go really fast let's just get all the things that we know we need quickly we know we're going to do a deep dive on signs later so the things that we with the things that we felt we needed right away we're like oh we have five zoning districts that we don't have regulations on signs let's right that seems like something maybe we should quickly put in um the other concern was again when you have this gaming overlay it doesn't specifically talk about all the things that are addressed so I will say within the gaming overlay most of our existing casinos are there we have two casinos that are not in the gaming overlay so that in itself is an issue what if those two um casinos that are not in the gaming overlay what if they wanted to come in and increase their signage so let's let's just clean up and clarify so any non-r restricted legally established gaming operation gets that unlimited signage so that that was the quick easy answer I say that we were trying to say um again we always knew we were going to do a deep dive on the sign code I think what Miss Ry doesn't want us to say is that we were always going to do a deep dive and with that let's open it up and understand what makes sense and what doesn't we have all these different overlay districts what she doesn't understand is we have a separate overlay District called gaming it's not specific to just non-restricted gaming establishments it's a gaming overlay it's over 2,000 acres so the the way the code is written now is any business in a gaming overlay has unlimited signage we don't like that either that was never the intent let's clean that up so i' I've tried to explain that um it's probably my sixth time i' I've had this conversation with Mar on Miss Ray on this topic I don't think we are ever going to get to a place where we can agree to disagree what we can agree on is that let's fix that the gaming overlay should not be unlimited signage for every user we all on that codee is proposing to change that staff's proposing to change that and again unless I get some some big policy changes from Council I was going back to well where do we have unlimited signage like for 20 years where have we had unlimited signage for every business so happy to change that if I get dire from Council to do that I will do that but I'm not throwing out some wild and crazy ideas without Council Direction great thank you and I do have some just follow-ups but I I'll share the time and space here with my fellow Commissioners sounds good I'll make sure we get back to commissioner uh commissioner Villa please thank you for that deep dive honestly this has to be a lot of work with all the things you guys have going on okay so couple questions the I understand the gaming overlay and I understand the you highlighted in red from Keystone to Wells to Railroad to California that is currently within the gaming overlay district is that accurate well it was at one point I'm sorry the the let me go this one this is the one that you're thinking of that used to be the Entertainment District the one yes or the yes the Entertainment District used to be the entertainment now with the changes in 2021 it is now the gaming overlay District the size has shrunk now it's um the size is no longer as large 136 went from 146 Acres of downtown to 136 that's spefic to downtown got it so I understand that that's correct okay my question is and you mentioned policy change you have no you can't make that decision you're working within the confines of your role and what you can do within the code and yeah I mean absolutely staff can come up with whatever ideas we think make sense but again my role my goal for this sign code cleanup was not to make major changes it was to address the things that we have issues with and so so um the main things we have issues with are is that sign table it is ridiculously impossible to understand um most of those issues we cleaned up in a way that I think restricts signage in some areas and adds a little bit more square footage in some areas but it's nothing major the average person wouldn't even know the difference but now any business can go to that table and be like oh I get it I get X number of square feet there's not 13 footnotes that if this applies if this speed limit if this arterial right we took all of that out to make it easier um and again direction from Planning Commission if if you guys because again you guys are a recommending body to the city council if you feel that we should be making some major changes to our sign code let's talk about it I think this is the opportunity to say what do you think we should be doing in our sign code so that brings me to my two questions and thank you for sharing that that brings me to my two questions is there because the concern seems to be you're you're working within your confines and then the others are concerned with regard to who's going to be able to access the sign the breath of signage that the code allows for um can we just remove this red area the 136 Acres from the overlay District could I mean obviously that would be a whole change in Pol not policy but I think it'd be a change in the development code and a change in ordin in the master plan potentially y that'd be larger than what you can do within your conf the confines you're working with but potentially is that should this be an issue and should Council have concerns is that aail an option available to council so you're saying this Orange area here should we take it out of the gaming overlay boundary is that even possible this is where most of our casinos are so I don't know that that makes sense so there you go that's that's not an option number two thank you for answering that number two um the other uh shoot no I uh dang it I had to train a thought um number shoot you got to come back to me sorry I had I was on track thank you yeah well um we'll check in with our commissioners on Zoom commissioner Dracula do you have any questions no no questions thanks for checking in though uh commissioner where am I are any questions at this time yeah I do I I go for I wanted to follow up I I really appreciate the complexity that staff is you know dealing with here signs are perhaps the hardest part of the entire code to create ordinance um because you have to Envision every possible artistic contextual technological aspect of Science and it's really hard to do and as I I'm taking this call it's second time I've listened to this Workshop I'm looking at the Las Vegas Strip you know it's and and one thing I'll say is I think this is the time to open the policy and really dig you've already you've already opened the door there's 85 public comments staff might as well just go ahead and use this as an opportunity to evaluate the sign code um there's sort of no going back now and I find it so interesting just from sort of an philosophical standpoint like here in Nevada where we've made neon the element of our state where we have a collection of old signs that were putting in a neon Museum that live with hopes of one day having a museum in our own City Signs have been such an important part of our history and yet the historian who you know always hearkens back to well this is what Reno's always been is strongly opposed to having signage in the future now I understand that signs today are not like signs of the past where they were Artisan created you know handd done Creations now they are screens and I think there needs to be a conversation about what does the screen entail and how big is the screen you know that is really what we're talking about is how big are these screens downtown and we have screens everywhere this commission's heard them about gas stations at the pump we have screens on every you know corner there are some like the GSR right on our freeway that are just incredibly large so it's not so much about controlling a static creation as much as it's this animated screen you know function that's now part of our cityscape but we are trying to create this Dynamic downtown and it's just such a it's such a I don't know if there's a like a way to pull us or something like what are our preferences and what are the limits of our preferences on what that can look like because it can be really well done anybody who's seen the sphere might argue that that is a huge attraction and money-making advantage to the Vegas Skyline now and that is used as a sign so we can't I think put too many limitations on what this could be for enhancing our city at least in the downtown and so I guess you know that was a long-winded way of saying I really encourage staff to use this since it's open and in a public forum and will continue to be so is to really think about you know what the future will look like and and think about how important signs have been to our past uh and not just to say oh all signs are bad um because I think that's kind of the public feedback we've been hearing so any other Commissioners that was longwind I'm checking uh sorry commissioner delvar please thank you and thank you Angela for a lot lot of this explanation is you know we've been getting tons of email and feedback and there's a lot of misinformation out there um and I think that there's some naive t as well it's like this is the downtown area this is the casino this is what pays our Revenue like this you know we don't want to get rid of it um to commissioner Royer's um point this might be a good opportunity like you know uh M Ray was talking about the energy uses so maybe signage has to be solar I don't know you know whatever it is is it might be a good opportunity to start thinking about that um or to you know have um uh some like best cases in place to help people with the design um or like rotation or Carousel of digital whatever that looks like um so but again I you know it's I think it's great to clean up the code and make it consistent so that everybody knows what what they're getting one of my concerns actually is again I I recognize that this is not an expansion this is you're shrinking the area and like just point blank if I was a pawn chop I might be like okay I've got six months to go get a huge sign up now um and so we need to be careful and mindful of what the potential could be in this interim period before we put some of this actually into into place um again I don't have a pawn chop I'm not looking for a huge sign but again it's just something to consider and how that might impact the staff too if all of a sudden suddenly you know there are a lot of applications for signs um but but again I think having the consistency is is really critical um again not not just for for staff but for people who are trying to understand what it is that they can and can't do right now so so I appreciate the effort you guys put into this I know it's ongoing and it will be continued um and and again I think it does open up the door for uh further discussions not just about signage but again you know what what do we want this downtown area to be to look like um it's a little rough right now so thank you yeah and I think to that point it's it's funny you know we we have a program at Reno where we do we we give you money to upgrade your facade we can't even give free money away to businesses in downtown to up their facade the the chance of them coming in with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of new signage Pro probably not going to happen could happen but we can't even like I said it's we we struggle with downtown and have for years I don't know that signs is the problem with downtown there's so many other issues with downtown but question is you know what going forward do you think that this is an Entertainment District that should should have unlimited signage or do you think we should rein it back [Music] and do less uh commissioner berera we'll go back to you sure thank you chair and Angela for teeing me up there um I think commissioner vill NOA R Meer and others are on to something and you know with your presentation as well um I think what what kind of is sitting with me right now is that earlier in your presentation we we talked about like the um the earlier applicant uh not need for speed or something along those lines right but um we were placing limitations on the the size of the sign based on the front-facing size and would it make sense to do something similar in this Entertainment District where yeah maybe if you're like one of the larger hotel casinos uh you know the the ones we all know maybe they have a little bit more um uh um leniency or Liberty you know to go larger and bigger but if you are you know a smaller shop within that Entertainment District maybe you do have some uh uh additional standards to meet and design standards maybe they tie into Ada and other uh factors that we should consider and just to clarify too so outside of this orange boundary we have other mixed use zoning districts for your kind of reference all of our sign standards for the rest of the downtown area whether it's east west north south anything Zone mixed use we have the same similar sign standard as our commercial areas So based on your building Frontage however wide it is you get one square foot of signage so that's that's the bulk of downtown outside of this core area um if you are on a parcel that has so that would be for your wall sign if you're on a parcel that has land for a sign in the in the yard um you know we've got that shopping center off of Keystone so they get additional signage for um freestanding signs right now they would be allowed to go up to 8 feet in height you can go taller depending on some unique circumstances and again square footage of your sign is about 125 Square F feet so again if that's something that makes sense we do have other sections of the code that we could kind of copy and paste for the downtown area it still gives them the same flexibility that their surrounding mixed use zoning Partners have um but it's based on front edge you look at some of these Parcels where these businesses are it is Tiny a lot of these businesses and it's all existing right all already built especially Virginia Street um unless you're a casino a lot of these businesses are very very tight don't have a whole lot of of of Frontage so there's not even enough room on on the building to put a giant sign I think that's probably another reason why we're not seeing this proliferation of crazy signs as most of those those businesses are really narrow commissioner Villa thank you chair I remember my question my second question um so my second question is it's interesting that we have the resort Association and Scenic Nevada they line they're aligned for different reasons probably um but I guess what are you hearing from stakeholders because when when I look at this I'm like okay well you're reducing the size from what was otherwise greater impact um so what is the push back from I mean obviously we heard the public comment but when you have the resort Association cic Nevada aligned I'm wondering what's the feedback what are we getting from the stakeholders that um that I mean it seems like this would be the compromise so I'm I'm having a hard time understanding yeah I think what the resort Association would like to see is within our sign table they want us to call out a specific category for legally established non restricted gaming with unlimited signage CU right now what's proposed in our table it's a footnote in our sign table and that I think they feel might just be hidden they don't want it to be a footnote that says if you're a casino you could have unlimited signage they want it to be moved to the actual sign table so that it's black and white for everyone to see there's no you know confusion it's not a footnote it's in the table that says they have unlimited signage what's on the table now it's just the overlay right it's the ual so there I mean is is non-restricted gaming a you like I it's a use I mean I know that but the sign is not the the table isn't based on usage it's based on overlay districts is that and I think even if we go back to the the old code so that area in yellow is what I'm talking about with the being a footnote yeah so I think um what what we're proposing is to take that same similar language legally established non restricted gaming is allowed by right in any zoning District we're proposing to put it back into our sign table as a footnote it's not there now it got removed when the code was cleaned up in 2021 so we're saying oops that shouldn't have happened we should have kept that footnote in there so our staff's proposal is to put that footnote back so if you are a casino doesn't matter what your zoning district is doesn't matter if you're in a gaming overlay or not you are entitled to that unlimited signage okay so it's a footnote now they wanted to in but it doesn't really match it it wouldn't really make sense in the table because it's it's out of place it's it's use whereas the others are overlay um okay so that's from that stakeholder some of the others I mean Scenic Nevada what their push back is I mean they're just not understanding it seems like with regard to the what was in place before and then the restriction or the confinement guess yeah I think they're definitely not understanding that but I think to their point regardless they don't feel that that downtown Entertainment District should have unlimited signage I think at the end of the day that's the point they're trying to make is they don't want the downtown to have unlimited signage they want it to match with again whatever the other mixed use zoning districts have okay the other mixed okay so so I guess on on the one hand we don't have agreement with what it used to be so they're just I mean that's kind of a seems like a willful BL if you're what you're saying is the truth in fact outline it as black and white here's what the code says but I think they just don't believe me or I I don't know okay um legally do you want to weigh in on this am I missing anything so okay I'm just trying to so I guess um and then we can't obviously remove the overlay for obvious reasons as you indicated earlier because it incl incorporates most of the gaming Corridor y um but again kind of what we're saying is let's not tie the overlay to signage the overlay shouldn't be connected to signage the gaming overl overlay should just be back to this is where you can have gaming let's leave that as an issue what we're saying is where we should have unlimited signage legally established nonrestricted Gaming facilities and that mixed use entertainment zoning District where it already where it already is and has been why keep it then why not just Define non-restricted gaming well can you maybe that's a legal thing you can't like pick choose I I don't know and we could we can do whatever we want to do our initial proposal was just to put it in as a footnote right in any zoning District if you're a casino you would get unlimited signage um and we'll work with legal again I depending on what the direction is from you and Council I I don't necessarily have a problem with putting a use in our sign table because it's such a unique oneoff but I want to make sure legal would be comfortable that we're not going to get in trouble I mean I think the footnotes fine it seems clear as day to me it and it would make would be more confusing because I mean if you have if it's in the I mean if it's clear it's there you they can do my question is why not just limit it to that if we're if we're in the overlay District why not just limit it to non-restricted gaming why do we need to I mean there's no issue with grandfathering in here because I mean I guess if you're business that already has the sign your grandfather didn't but why do we need to maintain it moving forward why can't we just and that's a policy decision it's a a right those businesses have had for 20 years we have not heard from the businesses we as staff have not done any Outreach to those downtown businesses they may have a very different opinion on their signage so I think that would be something that we would need to do if that's the direction that you guys are recommending if that's the direction that Council wants to go we'll do a series of stakeholder meetings to make sure hey business community in that Entertainment District here's what's being discussed it impacts you what are your thoughts on this I guess yeah absolutely do that but but that would seem to be the compromise between Scenic Nevada and the resort Association I mean they get what they want they get maybe not a footnote but I mean I my opinion it counts like you get what you want so two stakeholders would be okay with that it's all of the downtown businesses that I guarantee you will blow you up next time we come before you got it I don't mean that you Jo you're going to get a lot of feedback I I have a um and again it it seems that well and again we we get a lot from Scenic Nevada and I'm all for a beautification of a successful vibrant downtown um is there a way and it wouldn't necessarily be part of the code but again some like some sort of best practices or something that we can help to make the signs a I mean I get that you know we can't dictate what they what they put on in and stuff like that but um maybe just working with some of these organizations or artists in the area or whatever and I know that you know we have other programs that businesses just don't take advantage of anyway but um you know to to work with the scenic Nevadas and whoever else pops up as well uh to ensure that again what is now a narrower Focus but we can still make it amenable to the the downtown area right does that make sense I do and I think I mean there there is no best practices for signs we looked at many many different zoning codes to say oh are we even close what is everyone doing nobody is the same everybody is different and when we ask the the sign companies that work with all the different agencies Reno Sparks was County Carson Fernley we said hey where does ours fit in you know whether you like it or not where what do we need to make changes to do you like Sparks they're like oh my God no no no don't do what sparks is and everybody has an opinion on science that's the end result but what I think I mean I think what I feel would be helpful is to do kind of a sampling of our downtown businesses and the signage that they have right I feel like if if they are feeling threatened that we're taking something away maybe they are already fine maybe the sign score footage and height that they have today is is less than what would be allowed if we were just to standard mixed soning um and we haven't done that analysis I I don't you know I don't think it would hurt anything it would probably be helpful just as information for you and for Council to see how does this impact downtown businesses today most of our again the struggle you take Virginia Street most of those businesses haven't put up a new sign in probably decades commissioner M sure um I think that's a great idea I mean we don't know what we don't know until we reach out and uh good to to do that Outreach with those downtown stakeholders I um I just wanted to clarify or get clarification Angela um we for this we're focused on the Entertainment District which is downtown or the gaming overlay as well like CU you showed the map and I think it showed the airport being part of uh part of it a little bit of South Reno that one right so are we strictly focused on downtown as the Entertainment District or are the other red areas Entertainment District this is everything in the gaming overlay and what we're saying is let's take all the sign requirements out of the gaming overlay yep it's an overlay you also have your own zoning District so whatever your zoning is within those red areas is what signage you would be allowed MH so we're saying take gaming overlay out of our sign table perfect and what we're saying is well what about all those businesses that have had this ability got it unlimited signs what do we do about them right do do we grandfather the man or do we take another path of compromise or something do we continue it or do we cut it do we do something in the middle and that latter group is specifically focused or or located within the downtown Corridor yeah the only place in town that has had that unlimited gaming is the map that we started with Boom Town included in this they were hotel casino and again we would grandfather I mean we could at this point we're not proposing to grandfather them in um but the key area again our that that HC area Boomtown that is not a vibrant Entertainment District right it's Cabella and a casino so and now there's an industrial building there rest in peace B show very different um compared to our core Entertainment District and that's that's what our concern was with you know again our our entertainment district is unique it is special and it's something that only Reno it's not Vegas right it's not Roseville it is truly Reno um but what do we want it to look like I I think you know we're we're obviously a a body that uh like you said recommends to yall in Council and hopefully weighs in the input of the public sentiment uh but I do also like your idea of pulling the actual stakeholders there uh they should be at the table as much as anyone else uh so we can continue that conversation and find you know some some compromise um kind of my thoughts there thanks commissioner uh I'll go ahead and just I guess take an opportunity to throw my two cents in uh first just appreciate the level of work and detail that has gone into this I can't actually imagine the amount of hours it took to become proficient in the prior sign code and then have kind of the ability to uh reimagine and you know reconstitute the sign code to some extent so I appreciate all the work that's gone into this it's a lot more complex I think than people give it credit for um it's a lot like reading a vacuum cleaner manual super technical not so interesting yeah yeah I think we were saying the same thing just different ways but um put pictures in I thought you'd like that but anyway so I just kind of want to underscore that you know a lot of effort on on a very dense topic and you know I think it's probably a good idea to get feedback from um from the downtown stakeholders I can't imagine they would deviate much kind of from what you're proposing unless I'm missing I mean look just where I sit I think this Entertainment District that we've sort of kind of articulated that you've articulated it makes sense it's consistent with every Urban downtown Corridor I've been to in any City anywhere in my life I mean it's just you know this is where you would have the most signs whether they're neon or they screens or or whatever they happen to be like this is a downtown and this is the appropriate venue for these things and I imagine the folks that do business downtown whether they've been grandfathered in for a long time or they're coming into downtown would probably appreciate the flexibility to um you know to benefit from what's been proposed so yeah to me I I I think it's really pretty straightforward um so anyway that's that's where I sit on it and thanks again for your time um any other questions or comments on the body commissioner villain waya mine's a clarification question sorry I'm still looking at that categorized I think earlier I misspoke I said that it was categorized by overlay but you're saying you're replacing that and you're categorizing by use on so this that's the old one let's go to what today's today's code is this right here's our scien got it okay and is a kind of a high level an overlay is a is an area within the overlay we have a bunch of different types of overlays one in particular is called the gaming overlay so anything in the gaming overlay gets that unlimited signage so it's categorized by district and within District it's categorized by well I guess District under district is these yeah so all of these districts are our different zoning categories the areas in blue like the say non-residential that's what we call our industrial industrial commercial mixed employment those are all called non-residential um below that we have this special category which is public facility that's also where we added the parks Greenways and open space in the red lines um so overlays most of our overlays don't have separate sign requirements the gaming overlay specifically calls out separate sign requirements so we're proposing to delete that let's not have have separate sign uh requirements for the gaming overlay we're saying let's pull it back the gaming overlay should not have unlimited signage whatever your zoning type is is what you should have signage for so for example gaming non-restricted what zoning is that that would be every every casino is on a different oh got it okay of land um but but you know so it goes back to then the downtown entertainment zoning district is a zoning District so we can put it in as a zoning district and say you have unlimited signage within the the mixed use downtown Entertainment District and that's what's proposed and that and then the footnote of course yep and then a footnote that says legally established non-restricted gaming regardless of your zoning you get unlimited signage okay so like the Nugget and GSR would be would still be okay and get unlimited signage Tamarac GSR Boomtown Bordertown they're all legally established casinos they get unlimited signage regardless of if they're in that overlay or not so I guess my recom if we asking for recommendations my recommendation is keep the footnote it's clear to me I don't think that it just doesn't seem ambiguous at all to me whether or not they get the signage so I just don't see that being a problem and then I would I would say if you if you're in that formerly Entertainment District I guess whatever it's called now if you're in that and you've had a sign that was beyond what you're otherwise entitled to because of the Privileges you were given prior you can continue to receive those privileges anything moving forward however no you're you're subject to the limitations just like all the others are subject to the limitations that would be of course get stakeholder input but based on what you've explained earlier no one's really doesn't seem like there's a lot of a lot happening downtown um so not to disparage that space But you know there's a lot that could happen not happening yet but given that I would recommend that that be the case get the stakeholder input if we get a lot of opposition and there's good reason and valid reason for it then obviously then I I'll shut up but that's kind of my position okay you know I I think even if you did keep it unlimited based on like some of the feedback we've got it probably not going to get people lined up out the door to to do more signs um but this to me it kind of goes back I think to commissioner roer's point it's you know what do we actually want to maybe happen in the future and my opinion is that keeping it unlimited creates more opportunity in the future it makes the current stakeholders happy it makes gaming happy but it gives people an opport opportunity to come and try and do some of the things that you know other Commissioners have talked about in terms of beautification or even just having more maybe practical downtown where you have you know maybe like Financial District or more uh food and drinks or uh professional offices whatever the case may be I I I think you know this is sort of part and parcel into giving people flexibility to do more stuff downtown so yeah again I mean to me it's straightforward I think the way it's it's proposed and written is the way that makes the most sense so thank you again okay yeah uh one last thought there um thanks again Angela and Lauren behind you um yeah so I I guess for after tonight um I personally I'm not uh in a position where I would say I'd recommend unlimited usage tonight um I definitely would love to see um that Outreach to those stakeholders in that Corridor um and probably be uh mindful of how that poll is approach because if you ask somebody do you want us to take that away of course everyone's going to say no right but perhaps what might come from this polling or Outreach is that maybe the big players like the row and J Resort folks they probably know that they have unlimited usage but a lot of the other folks don't even know right and that might come to light um and that might actually you know uh Elevate uh a supply and demand constraint that we might not be able to handle or the city right with all all these folks coming to to your department now saying whoa we didn't know we could do this now we're going to start asking for this right so it might bring some good insights for for yall to consider for us to consider and then uh when you do that bring it back to this body and we can evaluate everything as a whole and then make that recommendation to city council it's a lot like saying you can have unlimited density no parking any use you want come on down nobody's come nobody's coming to Reno sky the limit whatever you want we'll even give you money for your we pay you to come down here come to Reno and build something in downtown no I'm good I'm good I would not be particularly worried about unintended consequences 99% sure nobody's going to come knocking on the door to put in a giant sign any uh further questions or comments uh maybe did I hear something from zoom car uh sorry commissioner roer um I really appreciated something Angela said um when you said the question is posed is this an Entertainment District or not and I think that that's a valuable question to put out to the larger not just stakeholders I feel like all residents of Reno are really invested in what downtown looks like yes the state holders and property owners that that run businesses in the entertainment Corps of course have a large voice but all of us feel I think quite passionate about our downtown which is why there was so much public comment about this issue um and I think that's a really simple question to put out I mean I know that I've participated even when they were painting the arch that question was put out by the city as what the preferences are so maybe that's something that can be included in the next phase of engage ment um but we I really appreciated um our chair um Armstrong's comments it's about what's the potential here and I think this can't be terribly separated from the noise issue it's like do we want this thriving entertainment core or do we want people to live and have a very different vision for our downtown so um you know those tensions are being felt in many ways and so I appreciate your continued efforts um but let's yeah why not go all in on this and and try to get bigger answers but I appreciate the the clarifications and the code cleanup so far thanks commissioner uh while in Zoom uh commissioner Dracula anything to add no nothing to add and I appreciate everybody's questions and comments and Angela Fielding those and like everybody else said a lot of work goes into this and I'm I'm glad we're having a public conver conversation so thank you thank you commissioner any further questions or comments from the commission uh commissioner Basera sure I guess one for Angela obviously but uh what were you hoping to get from this body tonight and do you feel like it was fulfilled yeah I mean I think this is this is a tough topic this is the first time you guys have had to really think through all the nuances and you learned a lot hopefully um so I I think the feedback was good I think at the end of the day we as staff are going to go back and see if we were to change the Entertainment District the sign standards who would it impact I mean I think it's much easier to have a conversation with the downtown businesses if we tell them we're going to change your sign code but it doesn't negatively impact you because you your sign today could be bigger based on you know the the sign that we're proposed the signage that we could propose not that unlimited signage so I think we will go back and do a deeper dive and then reach out to the downtown businesses and have that conversation whoever said it like if you say we're going to take away your signage of course they're going to freak out but I think if we say here's what you have today here's likely what you would go to are you guys comfortable with that you could actually build more than you have today and in most cases again most of those downtown businesses are so small those buildings are very very small so it's tough to put a whole lot of wall sign on any of those buildings um so so I think we'll do that and we do need to go to council and get some feedback from them I think it will be helpful for them to have that information as they're kind of making some giving us Direction on next steps and then we'll go back and we'll make changes based on all the feedback we've gotten over the you know September to to January time frame and then we'll come back to Planning Commission with a draft Red Line sounds great to me thanks so much appreciate your time as always and with that we will close item five and move to item six trucky Meadows Regional planning liaison report I can take it for this meeting uh no updates since the last meeting we have actually cancelled uh at tmpa the October meeting because there will actually be three regional Planning Commission meetings in November um to I think approve the natural resource plan and public infrastructure plan primarily so exciting stuff going on over there but kind enough to give us the month of October off so with that we will close item six and move to item seven staff announcements thank you just a few tonight um as you might recall at the last meeting I mentioned that Cavalry uh Church zone change was moving forward to city council uh that did get delayed due to a site posting error so that will go to Council next week um I also mentioned that we had seen a a large increase in what we call our preapp meetings um just to give you an example we did receive 10 cases on the October uh first October intake cycle so I anticipate that the agendas that uh that will be coming our way will will be increasing in volume um one last thing something to keep in mind and we have meetings coming up into the holiday season uh specifically we have a meeting the week before Thanksgiving on the 21st of November then moving into Christmas we have a meeting scheduled on December 8 18 and another one on January 2nd if you know that you will be out of town or have plans and won't be able to attend that those um due to previous engagements if you could please reach out to Michelle fornier we just want to make sure that we'll have quorums for those meetings and uh whether any rescheduling needs to occur so I appreciate that great thanks so much we will close item seven and move to item eight commissioner suggestions for future agenda items commissioner Delia um I think this has come up several times not just tonight but over the past um couple of months where um we're we're proving things that we might not necessarily feel good about but it's within you know the regulations and the codes and everything like that um and you I've talked to to Megan I've talked to Angela about this and I know car's mentioned it before as well um like what's what's the next step for Reno right like we have the master plan um but we're still doing a little bit of sprawl and fix um and so one thing that might be interesting is to for each of the wards um the planning Commissioners to kind of talk about some of the issues that's happening in in their areas and maybe you know we do it with the city planners um just to kind of get a sense of areas that we need to be thinking about or considering um because we we can change the codes I mean we can we can do that if it makes sense right um and so I don't know if it's you know we just sort of you know take take a meeting and we you know spend a few minutes kind of talking about what's what's happening how can we Revitalize what is the vision we have for these different Wards or the different neighborhoods um but I think that would be um it would be interesting for me to hear from the other Wards what they're looking for and hopefully I can share some of the issues that are in my ward too any further commissioner B you haven't heard enough of me tonight chair now thanks for teaming me up commissioner uh actually there's a parallel here one of the things I wanted to ask is just a um a formal request to agendize a continuation of the excellent training that Angela provided the last time but this time where we focus more on on um staff presenting how they assess key factors like Public Safety uh compatibility and and so forth um which I think would be good and setting the stage or expectations for applicants on how how their presentation or projects fit into compatibility and those other factors I mentioned and obviously of course all within NRS and stuff nothing above and beyond but just to help uh kind of bring everything together with what staff presents already and then what they're seeking to do all within the findings of course and I sent a letter to our fine staff about that as well so there's some context there great thank you commissioner uh any further suggestions hearing none we will close item eight and move to item nine public comment this item is to either public comment on any action item or for any general public comment do we have anyone in the Chambers wishing to speak under general public comment seeing none do we have anyone on Zoom wishing to speak under this item looks like we do have a hand raised Tyler are you wishing to speak yes hi I didn't realize we could make another public comment I'm glad you guys opened this up um so my public comment I would like to do in Title 18 you passed uh during covid 2020 was on the agenda 2020 January 2021 it pass and it basically stopped all the Cabaret license It's All karaoke bands Music Entertainment must stop at 11:00 p.m. and every business now has to apply for a conditional use permit at the cost for us small businesses for $5,000 and that is non-refundable if it is not approved I would like this board or Council to look at creating and it's Angela talked a lot about it today entertainment districts how to create vibrancy um I have a business the Emerson in Midtown and we would like to see an Entertainment District created and a Midtown Corridor zones so that each business or bar doesn't have to get a conditional use permit in the Virginia Street corridor from downtown all the way through Midtown because right now it's stifling to our business it is crippling us um people want places to go that have activities music karaoke and currently the code that you passed makes that all illegal after 11: p.m. unless you apply for these conditional use permit so I'd like you to kind of think about creating entertainment zones or this overlay Zone how you're talking about the signs that that could go down into Midtown thank you thank you for your comment do you have anyone else on Zoom wishing to speak uh we do not have anyone else with their hand raised okay we will close item nine and move to item 10 adjournment so moved I second then third it all right we are adjourned thank you for