know that they're running a little behind in Pom. So we'll get started here momentarily. Thank you you. Okay. It is 701 on a Monday evening. Hot Monday evening in August. Welcome to North Texas. The Planning and Zoning Commissi Commission meeting is hereby called to order. If you would please rise and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Consent agenda. The consent agenda will be acted upon in one motion and contains items which are routine and typically noncontroversial. Items may be removed from this agenda for individual consideration by commissioners or staff. Would anyone like to remove an item from the consent agenda? I move, we approve the consent agenda as submitted. All right, here's the way this is going to work. Because we have one of our commissioners that is, participating remotely. We'll do a hand vote here, and then I'll ask, Commissioner Ali to, speak his vote. So all in favor of the approving the consent agenda? Oh, yeah. Do you want to second that second? Yeah. Thank you. All right you. All right, now we get. Now we can do the vote. One, two. Three. All right. We have seven here. Commissioner Ali, would you please say your vote? Yes Thank you. That item carries 8 to 0. Let's do item one A and one B together. Please Items for individual consideration. Public hearing items unless instructed otherwise by the chair. Speakers will be called in the order registrations are receivre limia total of 15 minutes of presentation time, with, with fe five minute rebuttal if needed. Remaining speakers are limited to 30 total minutes of testimony time, with three minutes assigned per speaker. The presiding officer may modify these times as deemed necessary. Consideration items must be approved if they meet city developmentlopment regulations. Legislative consideration items are more discretionary except as constrained by legal considerations. Agenda item number one a Replat Hinckley Addition block a lot two, daycare center on one lot on 1.8 acres located on the south side of Los Rios Boulevard, 700ft east of Flintstone Drive. Zoned planned development 320 estate development with specific use permit number 598 for daycare center. This item was tabled on July 15th, 2024. Applicant is VK Smith is for administrative consideration. Item Agenda item number one be revised concept plan Los Rios Crossing block A lots one through six and 1X6. Single family residence nine lots on one common area. Lotmonn 2.8 acres located on the south side of Los Rios Boulevard, 230ft east of Flintstone Drive. Applicant is Hinkley, Los Rios LLC. This item is for administrative consideration. Thank you. Good evening. My name is Donna Sepulvado, lead planne. Yeah, and the consent agenda. Yeah. Go ahead. Good evening. My name is Donna Sepulvado, lead planner with the planning depart the planning department. These items are recommended for approval as submitted. And I'm happy to answer any questions. Okay, let's start with one. A Do we have questions on one a anybody? All right. One B Mr. Ratliff. Yeah I asked this question to city staff, but I just want to get it in the public record about the purpose of lot one x. I was just concerned about having a kind of an orphan lot out there as out there as to who's going to take care of it and who's going to own it. And, if you could just answer that for the residents in the record fore. Sure That is the lot where the utilities will be located. It'll be an open space lot at the time of plat. They'll be required to, dedicate maintenance of that to an homeowners association through the CCR documents, the applicant for this project has been in discussions with joining the HOA for the existing neighborhood to the west. So that's their intent for this project. Okay So the HOA to pard that way it'll be part of their overall maintenance program. Corrt? Okay Great. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions? Yes Okay. Turn on the mic and lean in real close. Yes So did they comply with the requirement for the like the meeting cut? Because I see that like there are a lot of meeting cuts and this curved portion of like the street. So good question. I'm going to ask you to get real close to the mic okay. Next tim. Yes, there was a zoning case for this single family homes maybe a year ago. And the median opening was looked at as part of the concept plan at that time. And it has not changed from that original approval. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions? Okay. Thank you. I'll open then the pc hearing and we'll have the applicant I guess. Are they do they have any desire to speak? I think they're here available for questions. We have two applicants available Any questions for the applicant okay. Seeing none, I'll close the public hearing, confine discussion to the commission. I move. We approve. Agenda item one a as recommended by staff. Second, I have a Commissioner Bronsky with a second by Commissioner Ratliff to approve item one a, please vote and Commissioner Olli. Yes That item That item carries 8 to 0. And Commissioner Ali. I'm sorry. I'll have to figure out a way. I can only see you on a tiny screen if you have a question or something. I think you're going to have to just hit your mic button and jusey, I have a question. Okay? It sounds like a plan. All right. Thank you. All right, let's move on.t's mom one B. No. Oh I wasn't sure we need to go through that. So I move that we approve agenda item one B as recommended by staff. Second okay. So I have a motion by Commissioner Bronsky with a second by Commissioner Ratliff, to approve item B, please vote. Okay. Commissioner Ali. Yes, that item carries 8 to 0. Item two, agenda item number two. Public hearing zoning case 2024-012. Request to rezone from neighborhood office to single specific use permit number 585 for veterinary clinic and kennel on 7.7 acres located on the east side of Spring Creek Parkway, 540ft west of Meadowlands Drive. Applicant is big OS properties LP. This is for legislative consideration. Good evening. My name isoods and I'm a planner with the planning department. The applicant is requesting to rezone the subject property to allow for single family residences. The image on the right shows the aerial image of the prorty. The zoning exhibit was submitted to show the boundaries of the proposed zoning request. For the site history. In 2007, the site was rezoned site was rezoned from commercial employment to neighborhood office with specific use permit for veterinary kennel with indoor pens. In 2012, a concept plan and preliminary site plan were approved for the Veterinary clinic and office uses. A site plan was never submitted, so the plans were never constructed and in 2023 last year, the 2023 last year, the Comprehensive Plan and Parks Master Plan were amended to include the subjectse applicant is proposingt is prope the site from neighborhood office to single family specific use permit number 585. Veterinary Clinic and kennel with indoor pens is not a permitted use by right or by Sup, and the SF six zoning district, so the Sup will need to be rescinded as part of this request, the applicant is proposing single family homes on an estimated 13 residential lots, but staff cannot verify the feasibility of developing 13 residentiaoncept plan was not provided for review at the time of the pre-application meeting. Staff noted thatted that the provided conceptual drawings would not conform to the city's 600 foot maximum cul de sac length requirements and a variance to the subdivision ordinance and the International Fire Code may be required to develop the number of lots described. For the floodplain, approximatelyapy one third of the subject property is located within the FEMA 100 year fully developed floodplain. As you can see on the graphic, a flood study is not required with the zoning request, but may be required at the time of preliminary plat. Dam breach ana analysis. In 202, Kimley-horn and associates prepared a dam breach analysis on Quesenberrys located around 1100ft north of the subject property. The propee analysis showed what areas would be subject to flood i of dam fat Quesenberry Lake, and two different scenarios. The first scenario is on a sunny day breach highlighted in yellow on the map above. In this scenario, the reservoir is at maximum normal operating level during a period of little or no precipitation. The second scenario is highlighted in red. It's a design flood breach scenario, meaning where ther ism capacity for flood by design, most of the subject property is located within areas subject to inundation during either breach event. Unlike the FEMA floodplain, there ar floodplain, there are no federal regulations prohibiting dam development. Excuse me. Prohibiting development in dam . It is ultimately the property owner's responsibility for researching the risk and acquiring appropriate insurance to mitigate impacts of potential l dam failure due to life, health and safety concerns. Staff finds that nonresidentials, as allowed under the existing zoning would be a better suited for the subject property. If approved, the applicant has agreed to place a deed restriction or informational covenant in the homeowner association documents to notify future owners about the proximity of the dam. If approved, this disclosure language would be restrictions e reviewed and approved by staff at the time of preliminary plat. However, there is not a means of securing this agreement through the zoning the zoning process, and the city will not continually monitor whether this information is being being properly disclosed The undeveloped land policy of the Comprehensive Plan states that the city should ensure new housing growth on undeveloped land, providing proximity to existing compatible residential development. Although the property is adjacent to other single family zoning, future homes would be separated by the floodplain with no direct connectionsdirect connections. Approval would result in an enclave of homes located between undevelopedntiah and floodplain to the south. Staff finds the property more suitable for nonresidential development due to the nonconformance to the. In 2023, the subject property was designated as Future Park on the Parks Master Plan, with the corresponding the corresponding change to Open Space Network on the future land use map designation as a futures strategic location in meeting the goals and policies of the ParkPark Master Plan and Comprehensive Plan. As you can see on this map, which is page 80 of the Parks Master Plan to the right, a future park was identified at this location to help fill gaps in gaps in the eg park service area in the northwest sector of the city limits. This specific site was identified because of the floodplain and hydrology challenges that make it difficult for private development. Also add to its its potential as future parkland. However, a property cannot be required to be used for park purposes unless it is owned by the city, unless or until the property is purchased by the city. The owner is permitted to develop with its existing zoning, and to request zoning for other types of development. The future land usere land use t provide guidance on what types of development are suitable in open Space network. locations tt correspond with future sites that have not been purchased by the city. Findings will be required due to due to the requests and consistency with open Space Networks mix of uses. However, staff recommends the Commission considernds the Commission consider other comprehensive plan policies in determining the suitable suitability of this site for residential uses. These include the undeveloped Land Policy and Redevelopment and growth management policy. Action eight. So the Undeveloped Land Policy states that new housing in these areas will only be considered appropriate where it's consistent with the future. Land use map and other related Comprehensive plan standards. The redevelopment standards. The redevelopment Growth Management Policy Action eight says that we should ensure that new housing growth on undeveloped land provides functional and appropriate environments for residential uses and activities, such as proximity to existing compatible residential development, configuration to support housing and access to neighborhood parks, and ensure any development standards include adequate green space when adjacent to existing residential neighborho in building height and bulk should also be provide. The Housing Trends analysis shows a need for additional housing in the city. The request is consistent with the housing trends analysis. This request does not request does not meet three of the policies outlined in the Comprehensive Plan. Per and Fis Policy, this request must be found consistent with the guiding principles of the Comprehensive Plan and substantially beneficial to the immediate neighbors surrounding community and general public intere public interest of the Commission. Wishes to recommend approval to City Council. Staff received three letters in support within the And in total staff received six responses in support at the time of this presentation. Due to the property's location with the dam breach zone of Quesenberry Lake and the lack of connectivity to adjacent neighborhoods, staff finds the request for residential uses to be inconsistent be inconsistent with the comprehensive plan standards. The site would be better suited for nonresidential uses as permitted under its existing zoning. Staff recommends this zoning request for denial. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have, and Russel Erskine from the Engineering Department is also available for questions regarding the floodplain and dam breach. Okay, thank you for that presentation, questions for staff. And I And I got all kindf hands up here, tell you what, we're going to start on. We'll go clockwise and we'll start with Commissioner Brounoff. Thank you. Who owns the dam, it is owned by the Frito-Lay property to the north. Do they have any connection with the property that we're looking at, or the applicant, I don't believe so with the applicant, but they do not have connection with the property. Does the applicant have any connection with the dam? No, not to my knowledge. Thank you. Commissioner Tong, my q of relao the whole property north of this boundary of this subject property is owned. Owned by Frito-Lay. Is that correct? Yes. That's correct. And right now they're all, just I by looking at the map, it's all greenery because it's part of the flood zone, I can pull up the dam breach on that area again. The zoning is central employment above the subject property or commercial employment? I'm sorry. That's correct. It's owned PepsiCo. It's undeveloped. A portion of it's in the floodplain, but not the majority of it. Okay, but it's zoned but it's zoned for, central employment. Yes. Commercial employment. Yes. Okay. And what about the properties, to kind of the south east of this property, I see there seem to be some houses over there. Are they, kind of single family houses over there to the southeast, the zoning is single family attached. And on further east is also, patio home. I believe. And they are developed with single family detached homes to the south. Do you know, before they turned into family home, before they were developed, were there any area in that, also part of this, creek, overflow area. Do you know, before did they do any engineering to kind of bring itt out of the as Mr. Russel Erskine, do you have information on whether there was, dam breach analysis on the other residential? This dam breachcurt recently. So that development occurred before thenalysis occurred on the dam breach. So this is some new information that's come out in the last five years on this dam breac dam breo that development was before then. Okay. Got you. Thank you. Commissioner. Carry Yeah. Just a couple questions. So I just, has no plan. Been submitted by the developer for this? Is that accurate? There was a informational concept plan submitted, but not a not a forml submittal that, follows our standards for a plan. It was tht provide a concept plan. However, it's not required with the straight rezoning case, and they elected not to provid to provid. Okay, so but one of the things that's referenced is a cul de sac, but without a plan. So where's the cul de sac since we don't have a plan. So the cul de sac was shown in the pre-application meeting where, the applicant would provide, inform drawings so that we can see what they're providing, and itg, and it was n in their informational plan that was not reviewed. Okay. I believe the applicant has a slide showing their intent, their proposed development and their slide deck. And I guess there we are, concerned to have a cul de sac that's longer than 600ft. And I guess I'm I'm curious why that might be a problem, I would guess because maybe fire and ability to turn around, but in a cul de sac, you couldd. So I'm looking for some education on the 600 foot cul de sac. Exactly. It. Typically thereicae two points of access to neighborhoods for fire protection, and a cul de sac only provides one, so the 600 foot length is established by the ordinance as a as a length deemed safe by the fire department. Not to say they could not request a subdivision ordinance variance that would be, their their, but that will come later at the plat stage. Okay, great. And then that leads into my next question. So one of the some of the concerns with this were that there was concerns with life, health and safety. And I think we just talked about safety. But what were the life and health concerns? What might those be? Because we cited those from staff as concerns. Can you tell me specificallyt the life and health might be, please? Sure So in the dam breach area, ifhere was a situation for a flood, then residential homes would be in the areas that a flood would occur. So that's where it was primarily the flood issue. Okay, great. Thank you very much. Commissioner Ratliff. Thank you. Chairman, I've got a couple of engineering questions I want to dust off my engineering training here a little bit. Just have you all looked at the differences between the actual FEMA map where the fl where the floodplain is designated versus that dam breach? And the reason I ask that is looking at their topo map. It looks like the goes up d back down, which I've never seen water do, but the inundation study looks likenundation study looks like it's fairly accurate, following the contours and so I can only conclude that the flood study is not accurate in that zone, and that the what's shown on the on the dam breach analysis, even in a regular flood. Is that a fair? That's somewhat fair. I will say that the existing FEMA floodplain in this area is outdated. It's not studied in quite a while, and that the dam breach analysis is fairly new. So that dam breach analysis is more accurate, I'd say, than what the FEMA current mapping is in this area. Now, one thing you have to be advised on is that ad 500 year floodplain. This dam breach is well above that on an inundation level, there is that one little finger that does go up towards that small p pond, bt maybe that's something that could be clarified, probably with a new study, when if this was to move forward, so would y'all normally require that to be looked at in detail as they move forward to see where the actual floodplain is on this tract? Correct. We would ask for a new flood study to see ifdy ts development would work per our criteria. Okay. And so what? What is the current criteria? I'm just going to argument's sake, in our packet there, the inundation study, there's a yellow line in there, if if just for argument's sake, that is the actual floodplain. What is the development criterin right now? They would have to make sure they adhered to our criteria, which is one that the water surface elevations don't cause any negative impact either upstream or downstream on anybody. Two you look at velocities to make sureke sure e not creating or increasing an erosive velocity in there. And then thirdly is kind of the big one, which is the value of storage, which basically if you put a spoonful of dirt into the floodplain, you typically get to take one that. So that way you're not causing any additional, impacts either upstream or downstream. So they had to make sure they could adhere to that criteria, before they can get approval from the engineering. And what's the current rule about, finished floor elevation in a floodplain on the finished floor would have to be two foot above the 100 year flood developed conditions, which is in this case could be 100 year, or the FEMA 100 year, or slightly higher than 100 year. FEMA okay, is this a lot of topography on this site? So I just want to make sure that I understood. So okay, those are my questions. Thank you very much. Commissioner Bronsky. So, as part of the comp plans, room five, we have two reasons in here. Why the, they're requiring findings form. The first one is it doesn't comply with the mix of use as associated with the dashboards. Can you go into a little more detail for me? There I'm happy to do that, the open space Network network category recommends, no residential. That's because it's intended purely for institutional park and rec center type uses, so because there's no residential and this would increase the amount of residential, it's inconsistent with the mix of uses. Okay. And that would I guess be the reason fory as wel. Okay. The going back to the disclosure language, did I understand you right in saying there is no real mechanism to ensure that somebody buying the second or third person buying this property might have no knowledge of this being in a floodplain. So the applicant has agreed to provide disclosure language in the HOA documents, or in a. I'm losing the word deed restriction, right? A deed restriction. Sorry, but we wouldn't be able to review that at the time of zoning. It would only be reviewed at the time of preliminary plat. And then after that happens, we wouldn't see it again. After that, the city wouldn't. I just want to clarify. There is one narrow path. If the commission wanted to create a plan development for this and waive the requirement for a concept plan, then you could stipulate that that be provided at time of plat. Okay. And I also understood you to say that, by putting this in, especially the way that it looks like it's laid out, we would basically end up with orphaned homes kind of by themselves and not really part of a community is that they wouldn't be connected to other residential developments in the surrounding area. It would be, kind of broken off by the floodplain to the bottom and non residential to the north. And the the northf believes that it functionally, not appropriate and doesn't truly show a substantial benefit to the community. Right It does not meet the undeveloped land policy. Yeah. And when we put the comprehensive plan together, it was a long journey of making a lot of very strong decisions and helping people come together. And I believe very strongly that when we look at something coming before us, it really does have to be something, using exactly the language you said substantially beneficial to go against, what we put in place. So at this time, I'm struggling with the way this is put together, especially not getting all the information. Do you have any questions, Commissioner lolly? And we're just lookings at this. Yeah. So you'll like some of my question is to the staff is, you know, like get closer to the mic please. How many like access to the site. And it's like current, you know, like, layout. Do you allow. So I think do the driveway spacing, they would only be allowed to probably get veway off of Spring Creek. There may be room for two, we can't verify that based on thatbased on that without plans. Yeah, it'll likely be one driveway with a median opening off of spring Creek, that's served by a cul de sac or the homes are. So that's why we're presuming that there will be a cul de sac which is non-compliant to. Correct. Yeah And my other question is also like I wanted to see if the dam breach, you know, like, any other residential areas within this, you know, like other than this area within the dam breach any like, existing. So it looks like on the map here that it kind of reaches some of the patio homes to the west, but this map is kind of zoomed in, so it's hard to say for sure. Okay But so we don't know at this time. We don't know if there are any other, you know, like developments around the site that are the dam breach analysis showed that there was 21 sites downstream that would be inundated due to the dam breach. There's 19 that are in Plano, and then the others are in the colony other than the site, right? Correct Right. Thank you. And, Mr. Erskine, could you clarify, because we have three different lines, we're working with here. We have the 100 year floodplain, which is not what you see on the map here. That's not the floodplain. We have the sunny day breach and the I forget the other Disney Day breach, essentially. Could you clarify the sunny day breach is as if the lake is full today, and if it was to fail today as the sun shining, whatever. It's just that there was a failure of some sort with that structure. The red line is the design flood, which means it's the lake is full, you having a heavy rain coming down, and then that dam is either overtopped or breached in some form or fashion. And so I'd be the greatest flood that would happen due to an event. So that's what the red line represents. That's not the FEMA. No, ma'am, because I checked. Yeah I check you. Okay We're log like follow up. But I also know that we know that we have Commissioner Ali would like to ask a question. So let's let Commissioner Ali have his turn, and then we'll circle back. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. A couple of questions I've already been asked. But just to clarify, the C designation zone in, to the north of the subject property that is owned by one entity. Is that all? Frito-Lay? PepsiCo? Yes, it is. Okay. So any dam break flood impact, wout thatone in. It's essentially the liability of one entity, correct? That's correct. Okay. The other question I have on for the, often community comment that Commissioner Bronsky, mentioned. So I understand the connection to the patio homes to the East spring Creek kind of cuts that off so that that off , becomes an issue, but to the homes on the West, the single family homes on the West, is that because any any connection would have to cut through that floodplain zone towards the west? Is that where we are? Yes. That's correct. Also typically a six lane divided arterial and that's typically not something we would classify as having high connectivity. Got i, from an education perspective, FEMA regulations tend to do they prohibit or do they just discourage residential, buildings on a, on a floodplain? I believe federal and city limits regulations prohibit, building in the 100 year floodplain. Is that correct, Mr. Erskine? Yeah FEMA onlyskine? Yy regulates the 100 year and 500 year, and that's what the city does. They do not regulate against a dam breach analysis or a dam breach inundation. So FEMA just, basically doesn't say, okay, we need to map that. Gotcha. So essentially once it's designated 100 year, FEMA, regulations explicitly prohibit, residential building in 100 year floodplain and considering whether go ahead, basically discourage it. You can but you have to meet our city criteria first and foremost, which our standards are more stringent than FEMA for development. Do we have any other 100 year flood plains in Plano? And do we have any residential built on any of those? Well, there's, no, we do not have residential areas that are, proposed. We do have some areas that are in 100 year floodplain for FEMA, but that has been due to some mapping changes that have occurred over time. Or they were or they were due to being developed underever different criteria because some of those areas were developed, maybe back in the 60s and 70s, where we didn't have asome of te in the 100 year floodplain. And because FEMA did not not come at or we didn't didn't become a part of the national flood Insurance program until 1980. Gotcha gotcha. So they were grandfathered in to some extent. Yes, sir. Okay Thank you, Commissioner Tom, a couple more questions. So one is that if we were going to look at this land as if there's no dam breach issues or concerns with the frontage, long enough to pnoughn ingress and egress. I guess lanes there or it's not long enough. Is there a minimum requirement of, like, how far apart they have to be? Yeah, I believeifficult to provide two points of access without some form of variance. It might be possible, butight bI believe it would be unlikely. Okay, so that is a very difficult, site to develop in. Another thing is that I just want to on the questions that, Commissioner Ali mentioned that we have. I personally have dealt with properties in Plano that were, mapped on the FEMA map within the 100 year floodplain, but the builder had developed that. They would develop it in the 90s, and they actually brought it up of the plain, out of the plain map. However, FEMA has not updated the plan yet. They they are way, way, way behind updating. So we do have properties in Plano has bee Plan developed under the 100 year flood. Map However they're not supposed to be in there anymore. It's just it takes a lot of work to bring it out of the map. Okay, Commissioner, so my question is,estion is, is it doe does the regulation difference for residential versus commercial, but you like, which is the C, C, E, zoning regulations floodplain? Yes The regulations for commercial properties are the same for residential and vice versa. So that no matter what, they'll have to both adhere to our criteria for floodplain. Yeah, they have to bring it out of the. Yes, ma'am. Okay Thank you, Mr. Ratliff. One more engiering follow up question. I know you did your analysis based on high hazard dam creria. Is this dam listed as high hazard? This dam is listed as high hazard because of the threat to downstream propertstr, down there. Okay. Does it have any. Well, now that's I shouldn't ask that question. They're mine. Thank you. Another question. We have too many engineers on this panel, is there a way that you like MV properties north of the site? You know, like, is there a way y that, you know, like, we, ask the, once they wanted, you know, like, develop can we ask them fu know, like, some sort of mitigation, like retention ponds or something tha something thats this or will this be out of the question? So you're asking that the upstream property owner could do some kind of mitigation to offset some of the flooding downstream? Exactly. Potentially Potentially. I mean, it's something that we could ask for, but sometimes it'ssometimes it'd to do that. They're following our standards. They could come back and say, hey, we're meeting your standards. We're meeting water surface elevations, we're meeting velocity, we're meeting the value of storage. So why should we go in to help benefit those residents downstream of this site? I mean, something we could ask for, but we just can't guarantee it. Thank you a follol quick. How big is this pond that we have the concern about, or this lake or whatever we're calling? How big is this thing ? I am not sure. I don't have an idea. I just know that by the state of Texas on dam safety, it's morely higher than six foot. And then the volume is over, probably 40 acre foot. So that's why it's classifiedhat's why it's classified as high hazard. Okay. Thank you. Commissioner has another question. Yeah, two follow up questions, just again from timing the PepsiCo global campus and the pond and the andu predates any of the other residential developments adjoining this, this particular property, yes. Who came first? PepsiCo or the residents? PepsiCo came first. Okay so the residents, when they built, the patio homes and any other thing within the dam bridge analysis would have had to build some kind of. Do they have covenant restrictions i that signal that this this possibility is there? I believe the study, for the dam breach analysis was not conducted until after those homes were deve. So the same information was not available at the time. . Okay. o those homes are essentially built with a you know, good luck a little bit, second question for my little knowledge of real estate law, covenant restrictions are essentially mostly around what you can buil, like, you know, the facade and things of that nature. How what kind of language. And this might be legal more than anything. What kind of language could go into a restriction? That would quite frankly, have any teeth to mitigate? What is a potential liability if that the individuals are signing up to take on the responsibility for if they build and or buy a lot in this, in this plot of land hd is disclosure to, future home buyers about the location of the dam, and then through awareness and their own education, they can, purchase the necessary insurance to mitigate any risks. Okay. Thank you. . I'm afraid to look around. Are we have any more questions? But we're not done. have to hear from the applicant. And then we'll have more questions, I do think it's important to understand, too, that I mean, with almost nine years now on P and Z and four years on council, I've never had to make a decision. Taking into consideration there might be a dam that breaks and floods a bunch of people. So interesting case. Okay, if we're done, I am now going to open the public hearing and my understanding is the applicant has a presentation for us. Good evening, Brian Robertson with Robertson Companies, 5700 Granite Park Way Suite 380, in Plano, Texas, do I have a clicker? Quite all right. So forward to the right. O to t. Here to answer any questions, I'm going to go through this very briefly. Just so it's not, so redundant, but we're, we're proposing to unite 6.62 acres of SF six zoning. Existing zoning. Oh one neighborhood office withh 19,000 square foot of office, 36 foot height, max SNP for a veterinarian office and kennel, 15,900ft, total office about 35,000 square foot. As you all know, this was approved in 20 2007. Total trips per day, per the city's required calculations that we about 628 trips of vehicle trips per day. What we're proposing here. And I'll have a little bit larger conceptual plan. I'll go aheadl go ahead and note that staff did let me know that the conceptual plan has not been reviewed or approved by the city, but I'll be able to explain a little bit more of the initial application meeting where we discussed the 600 foot length is now less than 600 with the cul de sac, so I'll be able to explain all that, SF six zoning is two story,, 35 fot max height, we're proposing 13 single family SF six homes, average size of our house we're proposing is about 4200 square foot, and I'll elaborate a little bit more on why we're dictating what that size of the house will be, total open space, about 3.87. Obviously, you all know that the majority of this is the FEMA floodplain, so we do have on the conceptual plan a breakdown of usable recreational, and then the floodplain area, total vehicle trips per day for the single family portion is about 187. So in comparison, just a brief overview overview, the current layout that's approved that anyone can, generates 441 more vehicle trips per day, incr day, increases trg spring Parkway, spring Creek Parkway, the office obviously the approved zoning was approved 17 years we respect, the city's national recognized comprehensive plan, and all that. You've done and hard work you've done. We do recognize that, I would say in my opinion that, comprehensive plans are a guide, and so when you have different, situation situationsf properties or something a little peculiar like this, and get support of surrounding ney support neighborhood versus office, I b believe there needso be a change, so that's why we're proposing the single family, single family. Sef6 sf6. Homes that we're going to build here are going to range from 2.2 to $2.5 million. It fits the existing zoning of Normandy Estates, Kings Ridge, Shoal Creek, to say the least, with the, you know, obviously the in a single family and the demand for, executive or corporate housing around the legacy West district. We think this is a perfect fit for that. We actually were considering this back in 2017. We had some issues with the land seller went contract, and that's why we're here today. We were going to do a legacy West product, but we came to our sens and said, let's do fewer homes, higher dollar homes, because the demand is there. And we knew the reception around from existing property owners not only to the south but to the west, would would appreciate that. I met with 8 to 10 different homeowners. We actually have 3 or 4 of them here tonight because they didn't want to overload you with support, we we also met with some homeowners to the West, I know someone had brought that up, but general, I don't want to keep it long because I know I'm going to have a lot of questions to answer, but I amam here to answer any questions. We've got some, specific answers for any of the engineering stuff. We also have, who is our engineer record to answer any of those. So So agaiI appreciate your time and consideration. We're we're hopeful that you guys will act and consider our request. Thank you. I believe we have one other speaker on this item correct? Yes, sir. We have a Charlie Bourque. Good evening sir. If you could give us your name and address. Sure, my name is Charlie vote. And I'm a resident in Normandy Estates, 6817. Poor show. And I'm representing everyone who is, currently on that street, currently on that street, as we have a strong interest in what may or may not be developed. We requested all of the homeowners on that street, including, my wife and I requested a meeting with the proposed developer on what specifically would be developed. And I'm here to share with you that after we have thoroughly reviewed what was being proposed, that the homeowners on the street collectively, support the proposed new development for new homes. And we have no more speakers, correct? Yes, sir. We have Mark Hess and then Lisa Price. Okay Good evening. My name is Mark Hess, and just for background purposes, I am a real estate attorney and I represent the developer that developed Normandy Estates, which is due east of this development. And, I guess for lived in Plano for the last 40 years and I've really enjoyed watching the city evolve into what it is today, and it's kind of been fun. I've sort of just slowly but moved from the east side of Plano all the way over to the west side now, and I also live in Norma live in Normandy Estates, which is just right next door to this development. And the only thing I would say is I'm in full support what's going on here, because if you go back and you look at when they were trying to put a veterinary clinic there in 2007, there were there weren't very many residential houses in these neighborhoods, it was kind of vacant land. It was kind of out in the middle of West Plano, and there wasn't much there. Now it's completely surrounded by residential area. And qy residential area. And quite frankly, residential use is really what would best serve that area at this time. And more importantly, I just think it's going to be very difficult to put a park there. park there. It the comprehensive plan indicated that the city was going to be using that area for a park, but t different than your normal park areas, that, that the terrain is different. It's in the floodplain. I think it would be. And plus the city doesn't own the land anyway right now. So that I would find the city would be a difficult task to make it a park. But anyway, I it a park. But anyway, I'm here just to let you know that I think that is the best use for it. And I'm in support of making it that residential use. Thank you, thank you sir. Lisa Pricey husby live at 6821 four show place and we've seen the site plan that Robertson Companies has proposed and we're in proposed and we're in full support of this neighborhood behind us. Our homes are just to the east of that red line. And And just keeg the integrity of the neighborhood the way it isurs and bringing in something that's comparable to our homes. First of all, for Show Place, those homes aren't patio homes. That's a cul de sac in itself somethins equally as nice to be representedn that that area. Thank you. Thank you, thank you all for coming and speaking tonight. Is that it? That's it. Okay. Great I tell you what, we're going to close the public hearing. If we have questions for the applicant, we can bringg him back up, if that's all of our speakers. Now, do we have questions for the applicantupleu want to come back up, it's Brian, right? Yes, sir. Okay, Mr. Bronsky, can weo back to the beginning of your slides? Sure. For a second. Okay, so you're saying originally it was 628 trips per day, and then it's going down to 187 trips. Okay, yeah, there's. Yeah. And the delta difference, I believe is 441. Okay And so describe to me, say in 30 years my grandchildren come over to buy this, buy one of your houses right. How are they going to be 100% sure of what they're buying as it relates to it being in the floodplain. And the danger that that could pose. You're talking about the flood plain or the dam breach in dam breach. I'm sorry. The dam breach area. Yeah. So I am a civil engineer by trade, but I practice real estate now, so I don't know if I can speak 100% on Danbury and likelihood of a dam breaking. I mean, I'm looking for more at the warnings and for them. Yeah So. So I don't own the dam and I've, I've had very in-depthd very in-depts with staff and staff's done a really, really good job in protecting the interest of the city. However it's no different than if the Lake Lewisville Dam breaks and floods the city of Dallas. So why is it my why do I have to take on the risk and put everything in writing when it's someone else's property? I have zero control over so that my point is, is I will work with staff in trying to put a disclosure so people are aware that there is a dam upstream from here. But for me to say, oh, you're good, I'm going to develop this. And then something happens and all that risk is on me. What I've learned is that when this all came up and Mr. Erskine's been very, very helpful in discussing all the details on this, they were the . So Kimley-horn, who is our engineer record, did the report for PepsiCo and PepsiCo paid them to do the report. They got it in compliance and it now has to be inspected and m and monity the T-c-e-q. It's registered with the T-c-e-q, which you all I'm sure is Texas Conservation of Environmental Quality and, not only do they have to do the inspections every five years, tn an annual basis, is my understanding. But that's about as much as I cld tell you about a dam breach. Okay. No. And mine was looking for more of the disclosure language and. Yeahand. Yeah, the disclosure language that I briefly discussed with staff was that we will recognize for informational purposes only, because it is the deed restriction gentlemen Commissioner had mentioned about this and we would just put we would just put it in there for informational purposes only so it then can pass down from homeowner to homeowner. Okay. Thk you. Rather than title commitments and things like that that are going to flow. Throw up a red flag with, underwriting. Yeah. That's kind of what I was. That's kind of what I was worried about. Thank you. Right. Mr. Ratliff, thank you. Chairman, I'm not going to talk with dam breach analysis per seh you. That's not your responsibility. However, sure, the damthe dam breach analysis s provide some information about your property that is not, in my opinion, accurately reflected in the floodplain maps. Okay, it looks to me based on the dam breach analysis, like two thirds of this tract is in the 100 year floodplain. Maybe more, certainly the entire right righe of your cul de sac is in the floodplain, possibly in the floodway, and probably at least 1 or 2 of the houses on the south side of the street. is tht impossible to develop that plan with more than six lots, probably. Okay. And I appreciate your concern. So the this is not an actual depiction of today's s FEMA, but I do know enough about development that you have to develop to a fully developed 100 year floodplain, which is larger than the FEMA floodplain, we have already kicked off our engineer on our preliminary flood analysis. It's not the full flood analysis because I said, why pay for a full flood analysis when I don't even know if I'm going to get a zoning approved? So we've done a partial, flood analysis and they have determined our original 15 lots that we had in our initial preapp meeting. It was very similar to this. So our I think we had 50 extra feet. So now we're under the 600 on the cul de sac length. We also had two lots under the cul de sac bulb, or to the left of the cul de sac bulb. We now remove those because in our preliminary flood analysis, we determined that there's no way to develop 15 lots that were with 13. So what I present to you today, I don't think I would be spending the me didn't know we could accurately build by the City of Plano's ordinance to be two foot above base flood elevation, with an additional foot to foot and a half in pad height to meet your ordinance. So we feel really confidt, and I actually have Kimley horn here to answer any specific engineering class questions if need be, but we fully intend to have to provide that full, flood study. Proving up Valley storage. Everything that Mr. Erskine discussed earlier, we've already got results. We just haven't submitted them because we're not at preliminary plat stage yet. So that'll be our next step is preliminary plat. We'll be drafting the disclosure language. The problem or what? Destiny had mentioned earlier about it being the latter of is we don't record those docs until the plat gets report recorded, and the final plat gets recorded at the completion of construction. So that's why all that doesn't happen before we start construction. Does that answer your question or too much? No, but you don't have yes and no. But you don't have the answer. So tt's that's the I know you're working on it and I respect that. I know that we got to get through the process. So. Sure. And the fully hundred year developed, if I might, do we have a pointer or anything? Possibly. Oh, yeah. Try this. Oh, there it is. Oh, there it is. So, see this wrought iron fence right here, Mr. Ratliff? Yeah. All of this will be fully excavated out. All of this right in this area, be fully excavated out to make up that additional storage. So we will have a concrete cast in place wall from here to here to there, from here to there, all will hold up that entire cul de sac sac. We'll have a cast in place wall that ranges anywhere from seven to about 12 to 13ft in height, all the way down to the creek level. So we have done we're not at a point where we're going to submit to engineering and having to review that, but that's the level of detail and energy we put into knowing that we can do this and that it is viable to do 13 lots, and then back to the point of the price point of the house, obviously, we got low density, we got high dollar land, we got high dollar infrastructure. So the price point of building a 40 200 square foot home has to meet the demand would be comparable to surrounding property and so that's kind of why we how we came up with the 2.2 to $2.5 million house that will be providing a custom builder to build. So, any other questions? That answers mine. Thank you. I think Commissioner Ali, you have a question in some ways I, I, trying to divorce the dam bridge from from this. And that's why this. And that's why I'm hoping you could help me there, if my back of envelope math is right. Building in, quote unquote, 100 year floodplain over 30 year mortgages. So suggests that there's about a 20 to 30% chance of flood damage on a $2.5 million home. The disclosure that you just suggested feels. Very light in with regards to what I am putting. If I'm buying that home, what I'm putting at risk, that is a 25% chance that my million dollar home gets hit. Is what have you thought of mitigating, any mitigating, structures that you will build in place that could a reduce that risk or liability on my part or be some heavier disclosure language which I understand you you have underwriting concerns and what have you, but at least allows me to make a more informed decision. If I am a homeowner trying to buy what is a very expensive asset, I don't think I can answer that, again, this is no different than existingnstrey living at the at the southern end of the Lewisville Dam, and to be in business and disclose all that which I have zero control over from upstream proper owner, I just I can't we're in business to sell homes, but meeting the city of Plano co standard ordinance and requiring it or exceeding it, that's right. So, t today that's why I divorced the dam, right? The you'rehe you're not you shouldn't be held liable for a dam structure. I get that right. Right but the floodplain is a naturally occurring event, that is not caused by your neighbors or what have you, but add significantly to the cost of a home from an insurance perspective and what have you. And the idea that just a what feels like a light disclosure like, hey, you know, but not disclosing it enough to quote unquote, impact market viability sits funnily with me. So I'm just trying to push that a little. Yeah. Let me ask you,, are you referring to the FEMA floodplain liability or the dam breach analysis? I'm referring to the FEMA floodplain because FEMA floodplain requirement will be the entire flood study will be reviewed and approved by the city of Plano. We will not be able to construct these 13 homes unless we meet or exceed the floodplain requirements, which is a downstream analysis proving up flood study, valley storage. Again, I got my engineer here. If we need to talk details. But it is alll recorded plat about floods, floodplain showing and we are rtifying by the surveyor that we are out of the floodplain to build the homes. Now, there will be property HOA area that's within the floodplain. But not a single family dwelling unit. We will develop the lots and the homes, the entire fee. Simple lot will cannot be lot will cannot be in a floodplain. Our builders won't purchase a lot if it's in the floodplain after it's de we wile lots outside of the future. 100 year, fully developed floodplai. Does that make sense? It makes sense, but then there's no need to disclose, either in the marketing or in the HOA covenants or the deed that this was essentially. Yeah, go ahead. I would say that 50 to 60% of the city of Plano probably has some sort of FEMA flood plane that has been developed and is out of that 100 year floodplain, and it's only shown on the final plat by the surveyor certificate, unless I'm mistaken. Otherwise, if I may, I think staff's recommendation for the disclosure is specific to the dam breach analysis, because that analysis is not published or widel believe the FEMA floodplain is published and widely known, and in, and in our engineering regulations account for it. Therefore, we don't believe the disclosure is needed for that bn engineering perspective. Okay, I thought Mr. Ali said, FEMA because I asked him, is this the dam? No no, I did I did ask for FEMA because, there's no regulation that, bars, residential buildings, due to a dam, bridge or dam breach, rather, incident. Right. But their regulations from a female perspective. So I'm trying to tie back to what is regulatory in nature. I'm trying to understand if, if, this particular development makes sense, if I put myself in that regulatory box. But I'll hold for now. Thank you. Okay. I don't think I really have any questions for you, I think what we're going to need to figure out, though, is whether or not we need to include some kind of requirement on language related to the dam breach, I think it's re to ask whether, you know, that's our role. Only roly because we know about it now. It's hard to forget about it. But, you know, to the applicant's point, a lot of people live downstream of dams, and they either know it or they don't. And so, I guess the last question I would have for you really is what's your time frame? Assume this was approved. You're going to have houses up next year or what. Yeah. Well, more than likely, depending on how quickly we get through engineering, I would I would assume it's somewhere between 4 to 6 months review time with 3 to 4 rounds of back and forth. So we'll if that's the case, we'll be going to counsel. We would be going to counsel on the 26th. I believe, probably October November preliminary plat ish. And then close on the property and already have prepared or started designing, engineering. So we'll probably break ground second quarter of oh 5 or 25. So you haven't purchased the property yet? It's contingent on the zoning approval. Correct. Okay. With the caveat of we've got to have approval by the end of August. Understood. All right. Thank yo. Sure. Okay. I think we're done with questions. So thank you, sir. Thank you. You know, it's a little tricky to me because, like I said, I've never had to deal with a dam breach before, but. And the truth is, is that somebody could build a veterinary clinic right now with indoor kennels full of animals. The full of animals. The dam breaks, and now you got a bunch of dead animals. That's not going to go over too well either, but we're allowing it to happen right? So I struggle a little bit with trying to really take that into consideration, but it's hard to ignore it. I do think it's worthwhile figuring out a way, if possible, through this zoning, to include something that does require at least some minimal notice that goes with the property that, hey, by the way, you do live downstream from a dam, and no guarantees, but, I'm open. Anyone else? Feedback? Comment? Mr. Brounoff? Thank you, Mr. Chairman, I appreciate the applicant's presentation and the homeowners who spoke to us. I have some fundamental problems e fact that we were just told tonight that the FEMA 100 year floodplain map may be outdated d and may no longer be accurate. And if that is the case, knows where the applicant can put the houses or how many houses he can he can put, so juo answer that, perhaps, and I don't know where our engineering guy went, but I believe you said that a new flood study had to be done prior to the development. So regardless of what the FEMA map says, before he can build anything on it, he's going to have to have another study done. Well, okay. Suppose the study shows that the area is bigger than previously assumed and they can't put 13 houses on it, and theyd the project. I think we should know that before we approve the zoning, but just working with the FEMA map that exists right now and looking at the diagram that's on the diagram that's on the screen right now, the first problem I see is that in the event of a 100 year floo, the flood water cover leading to the cul de sac, which might cut off the fiv five homeo the east from ingress and egress by virtue of the only road being flooded. It, the proposal to build what are essentially two concrete line storage pits for flood water also acts as a barrier between the eastern and the western portions of this of this proposal, which I think is inconsistent with the concept of neighborhood in addition to posing a safety hazard fence fer no fence, bodies of water can pose what is known in the nuisay attract young children who don't know any better, thinking they might want to climb the fence and go swimming. And then you have tragedy. My other concern with is the dam to me, the fact to me, the fact that the applicant does not control the dam means that by building this development, he would be exposing future homeowners to a risk which the applicant could not mitigate and which the homeowners could not mitigate except by spending money for insurance. I cannot conceive of a homeowner who would buy a house saying, oh well, I can always buy insurance in the event I get flooded out e language in a deed restriction type document doesn't fill me with a whole lot of comfort. I mean, telling a home, a prospective home buyer that hey, you might get flooded to me would tend to, you know, turn off people's desire to buy the home. I certainly wouldn't, maybe there are those that would, but I would not want to buy a home knowing t spend extrf pocket for flood insurance because I could get flooded by a dam that I don't control and can't mitigate. Some.gate. Somed be depending upon the good offices of whoever owns the dam at the time, right now it's Frito-Lay, PepsiCo. It could be a future buyer who may or may not be filled with good intent. You know, depending on them to protect the home, the homeowner from flooding. Normally, you know, I think building homes and is a gd thing I voted I think I voted for every, case we've had for building homes, considering the housing shortage, we're facing as a city, I think, you know, more home building is necessary. So it's with some reluctance that I have major problems with this case. So thank you, should we just go around? Because I know she had her hand up, so. Sure, sure. Yeah, I kind of Yeah, I ke with, Commissioner Brounoff about a few things. I'm not very comfortable plan. One is that, the current buyer or whoever is under contract has not done the flood study yet, and their proposing a plan that they don't even know whether they will be able be able to go through underwriting or not. That'stion. And also looking at the, dam breach study, it really looks likmore than two thirds of the land is under the breach area, which is a huge hazard. To homeowners. And I love animals. I understand that if they're built, they'rete going to build, you know, animal kennel or whatever. There will be danger to them, too, but it would be greater danger if we had children and families and valuables especially. These are supposed to be, very, very high dollar amount, , houses. I would assume that it would be even more, difficult or dangerous to them. So that being said, I appreciate the applicants and the engineers that have done so much work on this. It would I mean, as a city, we definitely welcome more single family residences and, structures. And personally, I agree with, Commissioner Brounoff, I have voted yes to every single single family development in the past, for this one, I'm really hesitant because I'm just not comfortable with the potential, hazard in this area. And plus, like I said earlier with the shape and the size of this particular parcel is just difficult to develop to developd the single cul de site that's proposing is even not meeting our required, maximum length. Right. Well, they adjusted that, he said. But it's now within the code. He's according to what he said. Okay, okay. Well, there are mitigations that you can do, it's a lot of work. And I, I just don't think it's suitable for this particular location. Commissioner Kerrey sure, I'll try to keep this crisp, differem other people. This property has been sitting there vacant for 17 years, the city needs housing, the neighbors are in favor of this. I don't share the concerns on this dam breach. I mean, I it's possible that something happens, but all kinds of things happen. And in terms of people buying insurance, talk to every insurance, talk to everyone around the coast that continues to buy insurance for their homes for floods. So I guess I don'ee that as a significant concern, because if people want to live here, then then maybe if they want that insurance, they'll buy it. It happens all the time. Whether you live near a river or other things, you know, again, go live near the coast and, and you're going to replace your house after it gets blown down by a hurricane, I appreciate that he's mitigated the cul de sac, k because it's such a strange suce piece of property, I think that the solution in terms of building some homes here is a good one, again, the things set here for 17 years, nothing's happened. If we don't approve this by right, we don't know what else exactly could come in here with the other zoning that might create more risk for people that are working there or whatever. Then this this creates in the event that this dam breaks o, this lake of unknown size, by the way, so that's another issue, so, the ie fact that they're going to inspect this yearly and everyngo inspect this. I mean, I think we're looking at land use here, and I don't think we can protect everybody from everything. And I don't think we should try and so when I look at land use here, I personally think that, all things considered, without it being perfect, I think it's a good land use for our city at this point, and I'm going to vote in. Okay, I tell you what, I'll just go. Since we're in, we'll just go around the horn here, I tend to fall in line with Commissioner Kerron this, we could have a tornado tomorrow. There's any number of things that could happen, and there's just things that we can't prepare for. And the dam breach is, again, something I've nev, something I've never run across. And actually trying to go, well, how are we going to prevent that from happening there is an inspn protocol for it that's required. So I'm going to assume that they're goingthey're going to dI still like the idea of there being some kind of, notice about just, hey, this is what's going on. If you move next to the coast, you know, you're moving next to a hurricane. If you're buying a house here, you may not realize there's a dam right upstream. So I'm kind of in favor of that. But I do fall more I do fall more on the land use. And looking at it, is it better office or is it better residential? I know it's not directly connected to residential, but it's really surrounded by residential for all intents and purposes. And I did a little bit of shopping, online shopping, and the house prices are comparable to what's in that area. So I feel like it fits right in. I've always been somebody who was very interested in any rezoning case. If the neighbors were in favor of it, it's hard for me to say no. If the neighbors want it, why should I say no, I take the developer at their word. They're not going to build in the floodplain, some of the the, remediation they're talking about. I'm assuming, with our excellent engineering and planning staff at, they're going to make sure it's done appropriately, and be managed the way other homes that have been built near the floodplain have been handled. So I am in favor of it. I think it's a good use of the property at this point, so that's that's where I come down on this looking at this, I'll be honest. When I. When I first looked at it, I think in two dimensions I have no problems with land use in two dimensions. And I look at it, the aerial, plan when I look at the land use plan, it makes sense. It's got adjacent residential. It all makes sense in two dimensions. My problem is, as a civil engineer, I have the problem with the third dimension and I have a real problem with building houses in a in a potentially flood prone area. Not just the breach analysis, but in what is undoubtedly the 100 year floodplain. Once this study gets done. And the reason I have a problem with that is that is that the current zoning is neighborhood office. Oh 199% of the time. Veterinaryels aside, n those buildings are going to be awake.ng to be awake. It starts to rain, starts to flood. Those people see it coming. They get out. Residential is not that way. Residential. Those people are asleep when it's raining. Most of the time, or half the time and not going to see that flood coming. And that's what bothers me as an engineer. And that's why I've been involved in waylvy too many projects where houses were flooded, and there's always engineering solutions to show we can build it out of the floodplain. The question is, is it really and why in my mind, it's the risk is not worth the reward to potentially build homes homes in a flood prone area where commercial use is more appropriate and office use is more appropria the potential flooding that might happen. And so regardless of the fact that I think on two dimensions, it works, I can't support it just because of flood potential of the 100 year floodplain. Not even looking at the dam breach analysis of the 100 year floodplain andar floodt that I believe, I believe over half this development is going to be built in 100 year floodplain. Mr. Bronsky so, I agree with, everything, Commissioner Ratliff just said, and I go a step further, I, I listen to staff. I think they make very good points about the comprehensive plan, our GM one and our GM five, we go further. I personally feel like this seems like it's an orphan. Quasi community and not sure that will fit. 13, we've already gone from 15 to 13. I think we'll probably end up having that again. I don't know that, it's functional or app functional or appropriate. And to me, that bar of substantially beneficial, you know, we can talk about you live a certain people live, in live, in Dallas or somewhere else. But this isn't Dallas, this is Plano, and we have a responsibility to protect and guard not only the citizens today, but the citizen the future. So I'm going to vote no. Commissioner lolly, I, like I agree with everything what was said. You know, like by all the commissioners. But, you know, like I'm finding it very hard for me to approve this, zoning change because you're like, now you're like, currently it's zoned the comprehensive plan, it's zoned open space. And with open space, you you also allow to, construct some commercial. Right? So, you know, like, it's to me, I know that, you know, like, all the neighbors wants to do the residential. I find it find it y appealing concept, but it does not comply with the comprehensive plan. So I don't think that I'm going to vote for it. Commissioner Ali, do you have any input? I do, and I understand, the neighbors, I think the neighbors are reacting to what the alternative is, right, what? I want houses over offices and commercial apps. Absolutely, but where I struggle with this, and I think a lot of people have echoed some of it is, a, the zoning to the north, Frito-Lay predates everything, around it. So I almost have to react to Frito-Lay, if I'm looking at the map correctly, that zoning, see, gives Frito-Lay the right to build commercial almost all the way up to the threshold of the residential, given our regulations of transitions and what have you, meaning this particular plot of land is really the only buffer, that exists, between commercial buildings, and the, the residents to the other side. I, quite frankly, am still struggling to understand why this was zoned neighborhoo neigd office in the first place, that doesn't feel like it fits, but, given what e has already said, divorcing the dam, from from my thoughts and just sticking on. Is this the correct land u? Understanding the flood, the floodplain, mitigation is a 100 yr flood. Flood, as we have seen, is no longer really a 100 year distance. Happen more frequentl. And thenequently. And then we like, unfortunately, I can't pretzel myself into. Into agreeing or agreeing with this being the right use for this plot of land. Okay. We've heard from everyone. I just want us to be very clear that the applicant has said they're going to comply with the city re the city regulations regarding floodplain, and so they will be treated. No or should be treated no differently than any other applicant building something near a floodplain and the dam breach, again, I think it's just a hazard. But any of us could be hit by a tornado. It's a known hazard, but it's inspected. So I just want us to be clear that if we're saying that, we don't think it's a good use because of the floodplain, even though the applicant is telling us we're we're dealing with the floodplain, we're using the city's engineers and requirements to meet those requirements. I struggle with with holding that against them. But anyway. All right, I think I've heard everything. Mr. Bronsky. I move that we follow the recoff, and, a vote for denial for agenda agenda item two. Okay, so I have a pardon. Yeah, I have a motion by Commissioner Bronsky with a second by Commissioner Brounoff to, deny the applicant and follow staff's recommendation on item two. Please vote. And that's five. Mr. Ali. Yes Okay. And opposed. Okay. So item two fails by a vote of 6 to 2. I think we're going to move item three down. Right. And cover items four and five. Let's get through four and five real quick. And then before we get sip. So four four. Okay. Non public hearing items. The presiding officer will permit limited public comment for items on the agenda. Not posted for a public hearing. The presiding officer will establish time limits based upon the number ofe agenda and to ensure meeting efficiency may include a total time limit. Agenda item number four. Preliminary site Plan Mustang Square Edition block A lot three professional general administrative office and Assembly Hall on one lot on 3.3 acres located at the southwest corner of State Highway 121 and Tejon Street. Zoned Plan development 32 regional, commercial and located within the State Highway 121 Overlay District. The applicant is Dan Denham Realty, LLC. This is for administrative consideration. Good evening, commissioners. My name is John Kim, planner with the Planning Department. So here is the locatornd then the plan for the subject property. So the applicant is proposing the general Office and the Assembly hall in section 16.900 of the zoning ordinance. It does allow uses of the uses that are for the evenings and some uses, such as the office, to share up to 60% of the applis proposing to have 261 spaces, all dedicated for the assembly hall, and then to have 59 spaces dedicated also for the office. So they would share at different times. So the item is recommended for approval, subject to execution of an agreement assuring the perpetual joint use of 59 parking spaces between the proposed Professional General Administrative Office and Assembly Hall, approved as the form and executed by the city Attorney or designee prior to site plan approval. I'm available for available for questions. Thank you. Questions for staff on this item, Commissioner Kerry, how can we ensure that the Assembly hall will only be used on weekday nights and weekends? We can't. We can't, can we? So I think that is through the joint parking agreement. That kind of perpetuates that use. And if they violate that then then what's the remedy. So there is a way for the city Council to if they determine that a public nuisance is created from the property, then they can have them add additional parking as needed. Okay. Thank you, Commissioner Tom, do you know the, maximum capacity of the assembly hall? Like, how many people can they hold at one timeYes it. I don't remember the exact number, but it is about 760 or 80 somewhere in there. 780 if it's for how many vehicles would you expect to park there? Because they're all together. It's only 300 parking spaces, so the ordinance, the way the assembly hall is parked at is one space for every three capacity. So that's how it's parked? Yes. Thank you. Mr. Brounoff Brounoff, I'm kind of doubting the accuracy of 760ple on the second floor of one building, that sounds like so. Shoulder to shoulder. Jammed. Jammed them. It feels that way. It's almost like how many people can you stuff inside a telephone booth? We should ask the fire department. ask the fire department. What's legally allowed, I will ask both of you. And you're trying to be polite and look at him when you talk, but nobody can hear you, so you're going to have to get in front of that mic or he'll understand. You're being rude if you don't look at him when you're asking your question or talking. So, okay, I'm sorry. And I'm doing this for the benefit of them, but also home off home audience. I just want to notewe determine the occupancy the applicant provides. The floor plans to our building inspections department, and they determine maximum occupancy for buildings, that is the number that we used for the one space per three persons,ee e applicant would probably tell you they're not expecting to have that many people, but that's the way we come up with the ca questions? Yes Like so now, you know, like they're proposing this this is just like a proposed site plan, right? When they submit to a building. And if it's the numbers are different, and we approved, you know, like the agreement and everything. So how are they going to they hs body to, to che agreement. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. And the applicant will need to submit the joint parking agreement to building inspections for their permit. So that will also be a part of the agreement. I mean, you like if there were, like, a little bit of changes on the plans or, you know, know, so that's the question. Thank you, question what s Starf the things we've been talking about for ever since I've been on the commiion is doing this exact thing, having parking studies to limit the size of all these parking lots that are built peak o are built peak on peak. So first of all, thank you for coming with a creative solution, but is I guess I'm, I'm curious as to why we don't see more of this is this because they've got to go through this something that is staff outside of staff's jurisdiction to approve the zoning ordinance limits it to a narrow set of uses, such as theaters, religious facilities, things that have night and weekend activities, so we just don't see a lot of those combinations. Just two specific uses on a same site plan. plan. Duly noted. Thk you. Commissioner Ali, do you have any questions on this item? Well, I do just, some clarifying questions. The owner of the building, is it the same owner of the, of the of the two uses of the office? And, what's the other use? The assembly hall. The assembly hall, yes. As I understand it. Okay, so this the enforcement of the joint agreement is essentially the same person, right? Enforcing not two separate entities. Correct? Okay. That's all. That's the only question.That'sk you. Okay. This is not a public hearing. Do we have anybody that was going to speak on this item? There are none. All right. Thank you, Mr. Bronsky. Since thisan e that we approve agenda item number four as submitted second. Okay, I have a motion by Mr. Bronsky with a second by Commissioner Ratliff to approve item four,ove item four, submitted. Please vote. Mr. Ali. Yes. That item carries 8 to 0. Okay. Item five. Agenda item number five. Discussion and action. Call for public hearing. Request to call a public hearing to amend planned development. 65 central one. To modify the open Space Plan of 275.1 acres located at the northeast corner of the Dallas North Tollway and Tennyson Parkway. Applicant is Legacy West Investors, LP. This is for legislative consideration. The applicant is requesting the commission to call a public hearing to allow them to submit a zoning case to modify their open space. It's recommended that the commission call a public hearing for this purpose. Happy to answer any questions. Thank you. Questions for staff. If I could modify staff's recommendation just one bit, I think the original request was open space, but I believe there might be a few other, related regulatory standards. So I just wanna make sure we're not so narrowly focused on just the open space. So, open ace and other modified development standards. Okay, so we need to or the recommendation from staff as we call a public hearing. Say that again. What purpose? How do you want us to word that, to amend the open space and other development standards? Okay okay, any questions for staff? I have I have a question. So is this changing the like the PD basically a regulation the open space plan is currently attached to the zoning. The applicant is planning to, I think, actually increase if I'm not mistaken, the amount of open space may be lit a little bit, but they are changing the location on the site, and because of that, because because the open space is exhibit is attached to the ordinance. They have to go through the zoning change process to amend that, that plan. Thank you. Any other questions? Okay. I have a question. Oh yes. Sorry Let me say this back to you they're goh the Commission to amend the PD is bec is because they are trying to change the location of the open space, and aer PD standards. Or is it because they are multiple owners and this gives themgives them the, the pc hearing gives them the ability, to make changes without having to get 500. And God knows what owners to sign on to something. So tonight's action is just to call the public hearing, and it allows the commission to do that so that the applicant, does not have to collect all the signatures of all the property owners within the planned development. So the zoning change support after this as a separate item. Specific to the applicant's property in the open space plan. That'll be okay. So tonight's tonight's action is to give them an avenue that, makes them able to bring this zoning case for 500 and something signatures. That's correct. Okay. Is that clear? Mr. Brouno? Mr. Brounoff? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The agenda describes the property as located on the northeast corner of Dallas North To North Tollway and Tennyson Parkway. The locator map on our packet shows a much bigger area than that, not restricted to the northeast corner of Tennyson Parkway Tollway. It includes both the northeast and northwest corners of the Dallas North Tollway at Le North Tollway at Legacy Drive and the northeast corner of the tollway, and Headquarters Driveso perhaps our motion should reflect the entire property that is the subject ofthe subject of the request, this item has come before the Commission several times for planned development amendments. That has been the standard language used. The idea is just to define a general location, adequate for notice, so my concern is that the might be, td compared to what the applicant is truly looking for, because the agenda describes a smaller parcel of land than our locator map does. The open space plan the locations of open space and the open space plan are limited to a much smaller area than what you see in the map in front of you on the screen. But the plan development covers a much larger acreage, and because it's attached to it's I think it's broken upnto four tracks A, B, C, and D, and the changes are specific to track C, but because it's attached to the whole amendment, the entire that the notice is required from the entire plan development boundary, which is what you see on the screen. Does on the screen. Does that make sense? No, no, I understand what the applicant is looking for. My point is that the agenda is not does not accurately describe it. And if we simply approve item five on the agenda, we will be calling a hearing that does not encompass what the applicant is trying to accomplish. What do you think? Do you want to weigh in? It seems to me like you should make the broad motion and save us from that. Pleas from that. Please Commissioner Bruno. Thank you. Okay go right ahead. All right. Unless there are other discussion. No. I move that we approve the applicationhe application to call a hearing to consider the applicant's. Plan to request changes to the open Space and development standards on the track as described on our locator map in our packet. Sufficient And we have a second. So, Commissioner Brounoff made the motion. We have a second by Commissioner Al al-Ali. All in favor. And Mr. Ali. Yes. That carries 8 to 0. It's 841. We'rer minute. Break and then we will hear our SIP presentation. So he called me. Okay We are all back except for Mr. Oh, there's Mr. Ali. Okay, good. We have all eight of us back. Let's move to go back to item three, which is a public hearing item. Agenda item number three. Public hearing proposed 24. Correction, 20 2425. Community Investment program discussion and consideration of the proposed 2024 Dash 25 Community Investment Program to ensure projects and programs are aligned with the Comprehensive Plan and other adopted master plans. Applicant is City of Plano. This is for legislative consideration. Thank you. Good evening. My name is Audrey Youn. I'm a long range planner in the planning I am here to present to you the CIP Comprehensive Analysis with the comprehensive plan. This is just to specify we will get into this a little bit more, but we'll take a look at the overview of how we use a CIP serves as the five year guide. Hower, this particular analysis is going to look at this year's CIP projects as the Commission are. It is our goal to implement the comprehensive plan, and the CIP is one way that we're able to go ahead and do that. So that's why this is important that we take a look at these projects and make sure that they're in, that they are consistent. As you know, here are the five pillars of the Comprehensive Plan framework. And all of the components and policies. We are going to take a specific look at the facilities and infrastructure policy and actions. And specifically action fee for. I'll go into a little bit more of how we analyze this particular policy. As you know, this was adopted in 2023. So it is a recently adopted policy. Priority should be given to the projects that are consistent with this policy. And this policy does have, specific action items and goals that we are attempting to address. A is addressed priority infrastructure issues due to poor poor conditions or eminent failure. This an example of this are major street reconstruction projects and b is provide preventative maintenance with street repair upgrades. And so forth. Priority projects also include implementing aspects of plan maps for new new construction and reconstruction, and this includes new trail projects. As far as OP action item D goes, we have a. We are looking to address specific goals and actions. Department strategic strategic plans and examples of this are community park renovations and upgradesion goals are to promote an economic development objective. An example of this is the Collin Creek Infrastructure Projecty improvements and innovative solutions and existing facility technology upgrades is an example of this of meeting this goal, and G is supporting reinvestment and redevelopment. The Plano Event Center infrastructure projects is an example of that. We work with all of the departme implement the CIP projects in order to consider whether or not they are meeting these goals. So we look at the project type, the project location, we work with each of the departments andok ae categories and how the then we look at how it aligns with the comprehensive plan. There are $213 million budgeted, for bond fund projects, and 44 million are for maintenance fund capital maintenance funded projects. Some examples of the bond funded projects are legacy drive corridor improvements, drainage improvements, parks and maintenance facility replacement, arterial overlay, and so forth. The capital maintenance funded projects are park restoration, trail repairs, screening, wall repairs, and routine facility repairs. There are several funding sources, however, general obligation and revenue bonds are the higher main are where most of the, most of them are funded. And as we look at this CIP department fund categories, this is similar as you probably saw last year. However, I do want to take note of a couple changes. We, in theo more public art projects, but we do now have a neighbo a neighbod services, project in there as well, a couple of them also kind a little bit, but for the most part, you'll this is similar to what you saw last year. The comprehensive plan alignment. When we look at what when when we look at which categories each project is addressing, there are many categories in which there are many projects that address many of the categories. So we look to ensure that it addresses at least one of the categories, but it could address one, two, three, or even four of those categories that were brought up before. This particular one is the 21 park improvements. And obviously addresses many of the categories. We do take a look at the key outcomes. So here you'll see that this is the overall project types by funding. You'll notice that a good portion of the funding is allocated to maintenance, repair and minor replacements. Subsequent to that we have reconstruction and majof 343 projects for this year's CI, the projects are, are represented. That are represented here on this map are according to specific location, however, you can see that the majority of the projects are within specific locations, but there is still 39% that are represented throughout the city. And our citywide. This represents this particular slide represents, how each of the departments are represented in the CIP. As you can see, engineering and public works is where we primarily focus most of our CIP, both in funding and the number of projects. However parks does take up a good solid 25% and then subsequently facilities and other again as encompassing of technology improvements as well as, neighborhood services. The project funding source, as you can see here, this represents where all of the different funding sources for each of the projects comes from. I do want to point out that there was a minor discrepancy in the original, the original summary that you received, and that minor discrepancy has been updated here and is reflected in this table. It has been updated in the handouts that you received. The lead departments and divisions. Again, t, kind ot which types of projects per department. So Parks and Recreation has primarily maintenance and repair and so does engineering and is obviousy followed up with, have the next heavily prominent projects are reconstruction and major replacement types on the funding side, when we look at the projects according to funding, it is a lot. They're they're heavily focused on maintenance, repair and minor replacement, but it also is even more so, we fund the reconstruction of major replacement. And with that being said, we want to go ahead and dive in to each of the different departments and have them give us a brief update on, some of the projects that they are working on and their synopsis as well. So I would like to bring up Rene and have her introduce the parks Pro. Thank you. Good evening commissioners. My name is Rene Jordan. I'm the park planning manager. Is the volume okay? Okay. Perfec okay? Okay. Perfect. All right. Let's take a look here. So in the parks and Recreation CIP, there are five fund categories with 85 projects totaling approximately 78.8 million, representing 25% of the total CIP. So let's take a high level look at each fund. So in the recreation center fund there is one item, the Tom Muehlenbeck project. So these funds are for a rejuvenation project to make sche scheduled updates to this nearly 20 year old facility, to prepare it for the next 20 years of operation. This project is delivered by our Facilities Division and Paul Kunza, our Facilities Division Manager, will feature this. A little later in the slide deck. So next we've got the Park Improvement Fund projects there throughout the park system. And I'll just highlight a few for you around town. So a project at Bob Woodruff Park south of Park Boulevard will replace the existing restroom building that was built in 1985 and a project at Bob Woodruff Park north of Park Boulevard. It will also replace a restroom that was built in 1986 as well as the playground. And so these projects will relocate these features, getting them above the 100 year floodplain and bring them up to today's accessibility standards and codes. We've also got a project along Chisholm Parkway underpass that will remove and replace the trail, this trail will be raised significantly in order to reduce the times that it becomes inundated with silt during heavy rains and will be brought up to today's codes as well. And there are several park renovations ahead. Construction documents have just started at Harrington Park, while construction while s for Horseshoe and Texas parks are at about 75%. Design. With projected construction start times in early 25. Next we've got the Capital Maintenance Fund. It supports projects that maintain, repair or renovate assets and facilities. To give youis fund supports our four performing arts venues, 15 athletic sites, nearly 500 parks and recreation parks, and median irrigation systems, five living five miles of living screen, 85 total park sites, 4547 4547 public building site grounds and five recreation centers. And then funding is also included in the Capital Maintenance Fund to begin master planning and construction for several park renovation projects at steeplechase, Windhaven and Westwood parks, and for construction at Glen Meadows Park. And then we also have the l support projects, in area six. Including a trail connection from 15th to the south end of the Collin Creek Ring. Additionw assets at Horseshoe Park in conjunction with an overall renovation and funding to be available in area two and at the fundevel to support projects as they arise. And then finally in the last section, for parks is the municipal drainage section. Typical projects here include creek bank stabilization projects that protect park infrastructure, which is threatened and can't be relocated. So there are several projects of this kind at Arbor Hills Nature Preserve, Chisholm Trail, Pecan Hollow Golf Course, Shadybrook Trail, and Willow Creek Park, and this fund supports projects that remove silt within our drainage system, such as a construction phase at Big Lake Park and a design phase at Russell Creek. So this concludes the Recreation CIP. Are there any questions on this section? Questions on parks? Yes, thanks for the have a question, recently we heard in here that, we have a need for soccer fields in town. So is that part of what you're doing here? And I guess part the problem is, is that our fields are largely grass and that due to that, a lot of times they're not able to be used by people that would like to. So in inside this or do you guys have anything going on in terms of upgrading or expanding our, options for soccer fields? Not in this particular slatof projects at this time. We did just recently complete some artificial turf fields at Russell Cree Russell Creek Park, but not in this slate. We will have we may have some fields in a 29 bond program. Do you think the information was incorrect in terms of availability of soccere told possibly erroneous or is there a need? What's your opinion? I'm going to have Ron Smith come up here and address that for you. Thank you. Mr. Kerry was speaking. An applicant referred to the lack, a zoning case applicant. It did not come from a staff presentation that there was a deficiency in soccer fields. Oh, okay. Why don't you. Yeah. Speak to that Ron Smith, the parks Ron Smith, the parks and Recreation director. We've worked really hard over the last 4 or 5 years to improve theighborhood parks.e hearing and this is not a new issue, is that issue, is that everyone wants to practice or drop in on the very best quality game and tournament fields that we have naturally. And so we're improving the quality of our drop in areas like our neighborhood parks. And we're seeing some success there. Thank you for the question. You're welcome. Thank you. Okay Who's up next? Engineering. Engineering. Yeah. We've been talking engineering all night long, so. Well, we have so Caleb Thornhill, director of engineering, sounded really lou, first off, I wanted to say a big thanks to gentleman back there. Jason Gregorash. He's the one that put all these numbers together for us. So I thank him for his efforts. They were huge, you see, just numbers everywhere, and a big thanks to Audrey and trying to put us to sleep. I'm trying to. I'm trying to. So. Yeah, big thanks to Audrey and Drew and the planning staff to, there was a lot of people working on this presentation. They somehow pug, very similar. Presentation to parks, we've got 109 active projects, projects, 2 million total in funding the project types. There you see street drainage, water and sewer, just some detail for what each of those categories typically include streets. Obviously, the, makes sense. Drainage is our erosion control St, capacity improvements, water and sewer again, fairly descriptive as far as that's a neighborhood rehab replacing old lines. A lot of our as Audrey mentioned earlie our projects are rehab projects. A lot of our infrastructure is aging out. And so these are to replace those, from a breakdown, the streets is our bigger category, category, 3 million out of the total 112, drainage, 12, water and sewer. 14 you see a larger increase in sewer. We expect to have a lot of projects moving to construction thistruction this e had a lot of in design over the last couple years. A lot of those will be moving. That's why that n, from previous years. Streets. Just a little bit more of a breakdown. We break it up into construction design intersection improvements. One of our big ones. It's one of our most challenging miscellaneous, which I'll get, which I'll get into in a little bit. And then transportation. I've got a separate slide on that, from a construction. So I know this is very difficult to read, but the green is what was constructed last year, and the red is anticipate having construction this year. So agai, really you can see the focus on the older neighborhoods is what we've been doing, which is kind of that central and south that h central Plano area, some on the east side. But then you see some up on the north and west side a. But we focus on that aging infrastructure, as far as design, there's some projects listed, G Avenue, we've got a picture there that's existing conditions. That's right. I'd say right downtown, not very close to where we're at today, but usually it is, and then several other projects under design as well. Similar what wen last year. Red is what is in design this year. Again, it's bread, but you do see a more density. There in the central area. And if I'm going too fast, just tell me to stop intersection improvements. I will not read all these, youe, n see there on the right is our corridor. So there'll be multiple locations along that corridor. was one that Audrey mentioned at the beginning. You probably experienced some of that on your way in today, and today, and thn see there on the left, we've got several different projects that include multiple locations. Again, same theme, 17 projects or locations that were completed last year for intersection improvements, we've got 22 planned. So an intersection improvement.ou're probably very familiar with them. There's two main reasons we do that. One is congestion, to try to get more traffic moving through there that improves air quality, idling time, so on and so forth. But the other one is safe one is saf there is a safety component, if it's identified as a, a high accident location, we do an analysis on what needs to improve and that sometimes is additional turn lanes. Sometimes that's, reconfiguring the intersection because of site. M, this is kind of our catchall, if you will, screening walls. Bridge Street, sidewalk, the screening walls is a big component, the city owns 80 miles of screening walls throughout the city, wey, we wok jointly with Public works and Abby will talk a little bit about screening wall, when it gets to engineering, it's complete failure. It needs to be fully replaced. It's either replaced. It's either had a structural failure or the bricks are all falling down, if it's just a panel replacement, Abby's team will take a, will work on it first. But if it gets to a situation where it's becoming the safety problem and then a large portion of it needs to be repaired, it'll come to engineering for a full replacement. So transportation is doing a lot of exciting things. Again, I won't go through all the details, but you can see the dollar amount 17 million for this year, they'vest are finishing up construction, it's a little challenging to see, but you've probably seen the new signal at Jupiter new sd Los Rios, that's just to the far end of this picture. CCTV expansion that's actually on agenda for council on Monday night. And CCTV camera that gives usyes in the field right now. The way we have to do it is we have too send out either one of our staff or one of public works staff to find out what's not working with the intersection if the lig, the CCa does not record data. It only gives us that live view. us thas not spying or anything like that, but it does give us eyes that we can actually see from our office again, call it a live Google. Google view, which will dramatically cut down in our time to address those problems. Drainage, I've got Collin Creek mall culvert. That one's been on. There we are hoping to finish that this fall, they are just about done, lining the second, tunnel and or the culvert, the streambank erosion assessment. They have finished all finished all 120 miles of our streams. They have walked them all. They have rated them all. They are compilingand they will be given that to engineering department very soon. And then we've got some other, erosion control projects, ich is typically comes out of our drainage. And then water again, just a whole list of them here. Water rehab, Park Boulevard, phase one and phase two. Those will be the big ones. The picture you see there is Parker Road. That is done. You guys might have experienced the rker Road construction, we do have lessons learned. So, there are changes that we're m we're o Park Boulevard. Phase one and phase two. The first one is there is a phase one and two. So we have two contractors out there on this one. And obviously the 75 is the separator for that, but Parker Road we will to Abby and she can take all the phone calls for us. So can you elaborate? Because, you know, parks talked about municipal drainage. You're talking about municipal drainage. Is the parks obligation. Any creek banks in the and yours is everything else typically. Yes. Yep. Yeah, they will do. Now that we do partner on some of those depending on the size. If it gets to a complexity standpoint, we'll work with parks. And if that needs to be an eng to be an engineering project, but yeah, all their projects will typically be in a park andbehin. Depending on the owners or the owner requirements. If the city owns it and it m it and it may a park, we'll still be responsible for it. Okay. Mr. Bernoff,ait. Are you done? No, I've I mean, I got one more real fast. Oh, okay. Go ahead. Sorry. When you said you were going to turn it over to her, I thought, okay, he's done. No, I'm turning over. Parker She's about to come in there. Okay, by, but. Yeah, sewr again. We got a lot of projects moving toward construction on that. So with that, I'll answer any questions you may have. Mr. Bruno. Thank been told to look this way while I talk to you. So, the city is in the cite process of applying an asphalt topping to a number of our major streets over the concrete roadway. I'm wondering what is the reason for that? And what is the relative durability of the asphalt topping compared to a straight concrete roadway? That is a fantastic fantastic questim going to turn it over to Miss Abby or or is it Paul next? Okay, I'm going to let Abby answer that question. Thenestion. Then Sorry. I think we have Mr. Garrett. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah. Thank you, soSpring Creek and Coit, there's a tremendous amount of land there that I think at one point the city was thinking of doing something with an overpass or something, is that still in our plan at all, or have we abandon that we abant particular area? Because there's so much land dedicated to what might have been? Yeah. So there's multiple locations like that, Spring Creek and Coyote Legacy. And Preston, legacy and Plano Parkway. So there was years ago and I don't recall late 80s, early 90s. There was overpasses planned on several of the arterial corridors, been ree thoroughfare plan. So the question now is, what do we do with it? Some of it we've saved, there's been discussions with Dart on some of these areas, but the the overpasses have been removed from the plan. Thank you. Is there any sense that perhaps five years from now, the city flower, those street cone will go away a little bit and we're going to have because we will have recovered by then. Virtually all of our major thoroughfares, at least. So is there a vision that sometime here in the next few years, we're going to have this s goine that, hey, everything's new again? Yeah, obviously that is our goal. And I'm sure that's Abby's goal as well. if you look at the growth of the city of Plano, we had the boom m in the late 80s, early 90s. Concrete roadways typically have a life of about 30 are essentias right now, now, some of that's older, and that's where we work with public works. But what we're seeing is a lot of our assets or our inventory is all expiring at about the same time. And the overlay that you asked d about, that's something that's critical, because to replace a full width, six lane concrete fh concrete roadway for Parker Road, we put in a new water line for that. That was a 50 year old water line, but we had to dit first because they're going to come back and overlay it, and we want the utilities or the infrastructure below that to be as good as they can to. Hopefully we don't have to replace them, so we don't have to come in and tear that up. ant that time and the cost to replace a concrete roadway compared to an overlay, it's just monumental. And, you know, you talk about the overlay is hopefully extending the life. It's putting that seal on top of the concrete. It doesn't allow water into it and waters or water and trees honestly are our big components to concrete movement. You know, you get water in those joints, it lifts, it goes down. Our soils areoils are not the bu know, these trees in the medians look fantastic until their roots start looking for water and and. But the overlays were very excited about because they can overlay miles and miles of road within, you know, a few months compared to replacing a mile of concrete roadway that may take 2 or 3 years to do. Thank you. Yeah. Oh, we have other questions. Sorry, Mr. Bronsky. So, yeah, I had a couple questions about the overlay specifically. So am I understanding that Parker is getting readyt overlay to go down now? So again, I'm treading on Abby. But no, they are so the asset or the utilit or the utility has been replaced. The water line, it was very bumpy and painful. Literally bumpy, but they will come back in when now they will replace the concrete. So anywhere there's cracks, moved, they will replace that. And then after that is when they'll put t the overlay. Because we want that concrete to be as in as good a shape as we can before we essentially put that seal or that overlay on top of it. So as I was looking at the map that you provided, I think on page 93 of our packet, I was thinking that either last year or the year before you guys had talked about Spring Creek was going to eventually get that overlay as well. So I'm going to save that question for Miss Abby. Okay. So last question. Okay, on the comments you made about learning experiences from Parker say? AnI realize we're not supposed to be talking dollars here, but curiously, what would you say we I know that for a while there there was a fund out there for people who'd had their cars damaged by Parker Road. What did where does that how does that how does that work? How did that go? Because I, I personally got a lot of responses from citizens saying they had a very difficult time getting things approved or getting it to so from a lessons learned from a process standpoint, the process is once the contractor begins construction, they sign the contract with the city tt is their construction site. What created the challenge for Parker Road ise were replacing a water line right down the middle of it, essentially, the issue that was created is there were service lines connecting to that. So imagine the center line of Parker Road is the trunk. Well, there was all these branches coming off of it. And these are these water line services. When you replace the main we had to replace these services and before they completed the main they would replace the service. And then they would patch it with asphalt and they would come they would d fill it in with concrete when it was ready. Well, they couldn't do that until they finished the entire length. And again, that goes back to breaking that up into phases. The contractor and his his decision decided to go in and do the entire length, which is over a mile long. But he couldn't replace the very first water service with concrete until he finished the entire thing. And he tested it before he found that it worked. And then we had the heavy rains in, and temporary asphalt and rains don't mix. And he was constantly out there patching, repairing these trenches and just wasn't able to keep pace with it because just the sheer amount of volume that was out there. So from a claims dollars perspective, I have no idea the process is contractor is responsible for maintaining a safe and workable area, we will get phone calls. We'll turn them over to our risk department. They will reach out to the contractor and say, here's, you know, Commissioner Bronsky's informat blew four tires. And, you know, can you please have your insurance follow up with them? We are talking about different avenues to treat that because essentially, it's the contractor's responsibility to make you or whoever whole. But it's not in our contract to do anything. So we can't withhold his dollars, if he does the work, we have to pay him for it. Yeah. No, I I I kept referring people to, to the websites and to the links, and then I'd links, and then I'd get feedback saying that they were having some struggles and, you know it. The citizen doesn't always look and say, well, yeah, I get the contractors this or that. They look at us as right as the city and that's that's the hard part for us, because when somebody calls us and we say, you need to call the contractor, yeah, they don't like to hear that. Right. But yeah. Thank you for those overlays. I love them and I'm very excited about, excited abo, and I really, I really believe that it's going to buy us auch longer window for those streets and make it a better place for not only us, but future only use generations. So thank you for all that hard work. Well, I'm sure Director Owens will be very excited about that. Do you have something do you like. My question is probably it's not like engineering, but more planningplanning. Like with alle widening streets and getting rid of those medians. And you're like, we're getting a lot of like we're getting rid of a lot of those green spaces with trees and stuff. So we don't want like our city to be all just like streets and all six lanes. And sothere, like any plan to, add some more like, you know, for heatnow, for heat islands and all these kind of stuff. So is there any plan to. Yeah So from a thoroughfare or a transportation map standpoint, we've essentially built all of our infrastructure. I mean, there Ie are just a small few pieces that that are on our thoroughfarehatt built. So we will not be adding any eight lane, ten lane roadways. We're not going to be taking any additional medians. The projects that we do, from a replacement standpoint or essentially a like for like now the intersection projects are a little different because some of those locations we may those locations we may add a right turn lane where there's not one, but we're not taking out medians, we're not adding any additional lanes. You know, neighborhoods, we're getting rid of the bad concrete and putting in new. So we've I don't know, I probably should. But from a thoroughfare plan map, there's less than 5% that's still on there. Yeah. I mean, there's little maybe one section in Oak Point is probably the largest section that hasn't been built at point. Yeah, I think I think Lavon Farms and Haggard, you know, there's two big vacant parcels. Yeah there's a couple pieces on there. Used to have the large median with a lot of trees, and now it's you know, like how many lanes? 4 or 5 lanes. And each side. And but I know that we like we need to ease the traffic congestion and everything. But I think we also well, just so you're aware, we do have, tree mitigation fees. So when applicant or property owners cut down trees, one of their options is to pay into a, into a fundo plant trees in the medians. The right trees. The right ones. The right trees. Right. That's right. Yeah. That's the thing. I think they're replacing trees in the medians. You seethem out, they'g them. The ones that aren't as damaging to the road base. Yeah. Correct Oy. All right. You're off the hook. Thank you. No let me go. Then she can answer when she gets answer when she gets to it. She said no, you're good. Good evening. Good evening. Facilities division manager of the engineering department. So it's a little bit lighter year for us. We are the opposite of everybody else. Our funding totals aren't as big as everybody else, but our project counts tend to be a little bit higher from the multitude. We have 126 facilities. We maintain anything from replacing air conditioning units. I noticed you're all verle right now, so this home was replaced recently. That type of thing, of the 19 million or almost 20 million, we're looking at a little over a little under 14 million of it is bond projects and 6.25% or 6.25 million are for capital maintenance, 12 total projects on bonds, two of them are actually funded by by my friends back there in the parks department. And we build the projects for the for them. And e have 49 projects on our capital maintenance. A lot of those are technology, life and safety. So we got jail doors. Of course, HVAC is just a constant. Youet t years out of a unit, and then our technology solutions group has really grown. They're bursting at the seams. So we're going to make a lot of efficiencies of using their space over. This project for everybody that was on the board last year year saw last year wI don't going to say halfway through, but about halfway through this one, the original need of this was to expand the ability to have a med unit in it and expand an extra apparatus bay. And when we got through with it, also triggered a storm shelter that all of o of our new first responder facilities are in, with heavy remodels need to have in them. We also found some efficiencies to put some of the hazmat material. If anybody is aware, our hazmat unit responds. Attestation five so we built a mezzanine to store a lot of their their materials that they need on a more regular basis. So they're not going back and forth to the warehouse. Tom Mueh overarching is our flagship rec center. It was due for a refresh to keep it in that position. We wanted to accomplish accessibility improvements inclusion make some new excitement with some added water features, and more or less just come through and rejuvenate the whole f rejuvenate the whole facilities with finishes. Plus also all new roofs, HVAC units, more energy efficient lighting, and we're replacing the South side glazing with more high efficiency or more high performance glazing. To go like a double cli fuel. Tn in planning for a while. The main point of this is to save a lot of funds on the fuel costs, because we can buy directly the secondary benefits of it are it helps strategically. When we hal hard time getting our vehicles to be fueled. Now we can do it ourselves. We also have our own fuel truck. Now this new facility will have a bulk have r system that allows us to bulk load our own fuel truck and go out and support, say, fire operations The trucks don't have to pull off to be refueled. We'll come back and fuel them right there on site. Plus, it also allows us to go and manage our fleet of last counting over 50 generators. And that was experienced most recently on the May 28th storm. We were really managing that fleet of generators of generators. Also, it has a sister project, much smaller that there's going to be a new technology used to manage the whole, platform and help us manage our fuel, reporting much better. And then lastly, the oak points maintenance facility. This is at the corner of Los Rios and Parker Road. It's taking on an older facility that was undersized and allowing the parks Department to grow with it, we've got larger training involved, a better site. We're allowing for more storage of materials and equipment, and we are also putting in a trailhead improvement right on the corner there. That's going tofolks havd give them direct access to the trails. I think we plan on putting some, equipment there that'll help them, you know, maintain their bicycles, inflate their tires, stuff like that. And then our capital maintenance, this is where a lot of our number of projects come from. For example, of the 1.9 safety and security, 13 of those are coming from there, $3.3 million of preservation of infrastructure amounts upre amo5 projects. And we have nine projects where our department will ask us to support something they're doing, whether it's at its staff, whether it's a change, and they want to do things that may not be the facilities in great shape, but they need to add a add a wall, o something to support theirs, and then just a little, a little bit left over for sustainability. Thataining our current solar arrays. And also we have some, studies we do there for added energy improvements. Go into that one. Any questions for facilities? Thank you. Before we get to the rest of the commission Comon Commissioner was your question for Mr. Thornhill or it probably cuts across everyone. It's on the technology improvements, and I think it was termed, innovative solutions. It's if I remember correctly, it's about remember correctly, it's about 15% of everything, just selfish ask is, is there a link, a list, I'm curious to see, what is being categorized under that. Bucket, and secondly, just more of a overall comment, anything that talks about accessibility, accessibility and inclusion improvement, you're speaking my love language, is there a, a plan to expand once we deal with with Tom Muilenburg to the rest of the other rec centers? I definitely hear you, sir. I have an I'm passionate about that myself. So. Yes, sir, as far as the technology package, technology package, I think that's reaching beyond facilities. So I would hesitate to answer that question. Okay, but it's an interesting question, I think. I don't know if is there a way to dig through this or filter through this and to see, look, what are the IT projects that the city is focused on over the next two years? Anyone know? I tell you, we're involved in many of them, but I don't want to guess that. Yeah. There. And does that category is that purely. Or could be the asphalt thing that, Commissioner Bronsky was just talking about that to me. Sounds like annds like an innovative solution. Does that get categorized under that 15%? You know, just trying to understand what kind of the definition of that bucket and what makes up that bucket. Oh, innovation. Not just it. You're talking aut innovation. Yeah. It's the 15% is technology and innovative solutions. If my memory serves me right. So that electronic. So why don't we why don't we ask staff if there's a if they can figure out a way they don't have to do it right now, but to figure out a way to show us how to do that how to dr provide us with something that that just lists anything that falls under those categories in the CIP. If they could just send us something, would that work? Yep. Okay. Thank you, thank you Paul. Oh, we have a question. I have a selfish question as well. So, the, the storm shelter at, t will be that's the 250 mile an hour storm shelters. Yes, sir. ICC 500. Yes, sir. And so am I. Understanding. Am I still understanding correctly that that will be now the only the second 250 mile an hour storm shelter, in the Plano Richardson, Allen area? I cannot speak for other municipalities. I know there's many within Pisd already. there may be some in health care, so 2014 IBC started requiring these storm shelters in the ICC 500 500 chapters, and it basically said all health care. And I think it's hospitals, not necessarily your doctor'hospitals, educatiot responders had to be protected for the building occupancy for, like you said, one of the main reasons, 250 mile an hour. But there's other this about drinking water, flushing toilets for two hours, ventilation and the buiing cannot collapse around, can't have any holes in it bigger than two inches so that they ca they can shoot a ty four. Is the test at 200 miles an hour and go through that hole. Okay. Thank you. But we have have one. This will be our second city owned staff. 13 is alreadyeady the fit one, right? No. Northwest police substation. Greg. Russian police substation was our first certified. We built fire station one to have it, but we didn't certify it. So it's built to the spec, but it wasn't certified because we were grandfathered was thinking about then. Thank you. Okay To my understanding, this is a new codrequirement for schools and hospitals. 2014 IBC yeah, so do you have do we have have do we have any schools that has already the shelters? That is a separate entity from City of Plano? Oh yeah. Okay. Thank , Commissioner Tong. Thanks Mr. chairman, I'm just curious about the library system. Does it belong to the Parkscreations, og to facilities? They are their own division or in their own department. Do we call them my tenant? We maintain their buildings and build them for them. But they're their own department. Are you aware? I think if there was a libra project, it would fall under the facilities category in the CIP. The way we present it right now, we don't have any year. And if I correct, there's no library renovation project. Yeah there is, there is some. Yeah there's some relatively minor ones coming. Yeah. There's some small ones. They just did a major update on. Yeah. There's some, there's some of these that are like I think we have a 4 or $500,000 replacing the windows at Haggard Library. And there's a handful of other ones. I'm just trying to hit stuff. Couple million or above okay, okay. If we do have, recommendations or thinking about a renovations for libraries, one would be a good time or what kind of channel we have to, put the requests in. Yeah, well, we do have a library advisory board. Yeah, you might go visit them. I was on that board for six years, and they meet, four times a year. So you might check them out. So is that where our projects coming from? Each department board. Because I'm not sure how I'm not sure how these projects get onto the list. The departments themselves are evaluating, like what they need and, you know, to facilities point the library library department. You know, I don't they're not called the library department. They're something else. But they say these are the things that we would like to have done. These are the updates we need. These are the maintenance that we need, and they get submitted up through Paul's group. Yeah. Couple couple couple years estimating and everything that goes along.t does what can or can't get in a particular year budget through the CIP. Yeah okay. the CIP. Yeah okay. Thank you. All right. Can we move on? All right. Thank you Paul. All right. Thank you. All right. Abby. Hi. Good evening. Yes. Well, I think there's one more to wrap it all together into a nice little package. So I'm Abby Owens. I'm the director of public works, and this is my first time presenting to you all, so it's very nice to meet you guys, I will talk about what public Works focuses on. And we have 81 projects that are in this upcoming capital improvement plan budget. This is a mixture of street improvements and also water and wastewater projects, kind of to differentiate engineering, which were a lot of great questions. Our goal is to keep any of the streets and sidewalks and screening walls out of engineering's queue. We try to e try to put any sort of preventative maintenance in place that we can. This includes joint sealing, under sealing to raise pavement to make it a better ride. Quality also includes replacement of brick panels. We only send it over to engineering for screening walls if we actually have a screening wall that is unsafe. Like Caleb mentioned, for our street improvements, though, we focus on the arterials, we'll do pavement replacement. And then once we replace the pavement, we'll go in and put an emulsion layer and then do the arterial overlay. At that moment, our whole goal is like Caleb mentioned, to keep that water out of the cracks in the concrete concrete and prevent it from sinking and rising and moving around for us. Our first overlay was done on independence, and we did two different test pilots there. We did one where we did fix the pavement underneath and then one where we didn't. We've been watching those, so that was done in 2017. So to your question about asking what we're doing to monitor it, we have lessons learned from that. We've made process adjustments in that time frame, and we really pay attention. So around ten years is what we're anticipating to get out of these overlays. So 2027 will be when we'll have to look at those independence overlays and do some milling and figure out what do we need to do to that concrete underneatht cor our street improvements, we use bond funding and we also use capital maintenance fund, the on the arterials and that's going to focus on those long term. Streets that have more of an impact. So we have arterial concrete and repair overlay. We have about just under $35 million in this upcoming budget. We do this as a mixture of the repair to the concrete panels and what's typically about a year ahead of schedule to then put the overlay on top. So in our map here, you'll this is our completed locations. And I want to make a note next year not to use light purple and gray because they look very similar. So, for this the gray shows that we've already completed. So youu can see there stretches of quoit there stretches of Parker. Also some of Plano Parkway, Parkwood, Los Rios Boulevard and And you'll see there's gaps in here and the reason that there's gaps is because we have t to go ahead and do those pavement repairs, or we're trying to avoid projects where engineering is going to go and make the improvements to water and sewer facilities. And then we would go in and do the pavement repair. So on, Plano Parkway and Legacy Drive, there's a little bit of a delay on some of those orange ones as we wait for some of those intersection improvements. But you can see here this is our tentative plan. That is completely dependent upon any other departments doing work, but also private entities. So on Plano Parkway, there is a project that North Texas Municipal doing. So that one's delayed us a little bit. We want to wait for all of their utility improvements to be done before we move in and do concrete repair, and then overlay the part where it says 20 2425 rehab. That's where we have funding in this upcoming capital improvement plan to actually do the pavement repair. And then the overlay dollars will be budgeted for the following years. After that. We also spend the some of the bond funding on residential street and alley repair. This is where we willerl pick actual areas based upon the age of the neighborhood and what the infrastructure looks like at the time. So this is our click again. Oh, too many clicks. So this is our planned map for next year. Some of the green areas are currently in progress and then we also will have some newt ones that will be coming online. And each of these is done based upon when we were last in that area or when the infrastructure was originally put in. And so we try to get to each one of these residential areas, and about every 25 to 30 years, and we are starting to see some of the ones we've been to before, which were like the early 2000, and they look pretty good. And so we feel pretty comfortable with that 25 to 30 yearto 30 year number that out there. Capital maintenance funding is also a bucket that we'll utilize for our improvements. So this is going to be more we call them our requirements projects. And this basically is we look at individual alleys or streets or sidewalk areas that were either getting more complaints on or they're not in a bad enough co a bad enough condition where engineering needs to get there. But it's not a small repair that our in-house crews can do. So that's where ce assign them work orders, and they jump around based upon where those conditions are grouped. We'll also use this one for our joint ceiling. And then the under ceiling. Like I mentioned, to level out some of our pavement screening wall reconstruction is also capital maintenance fund. And that's when unfortunately screening walls appear to have targets for vehicles and so they so they win hit them. And we will budget and we will send a crew out there to go ahead and do that. Sometimes longer because brick does take a little while to order. And so we have to wait on that. But that's kind of our capital maintenance fund projects. We also use it for some of our traffic improvements. So traffic, signalized intersections, the equipment is often very expensive. And so it lasts for a good amount of time. So we'll use the capitaance fund for that. Also, if you have driven spring Creek Parkway at any point over the last few weeks, you have seen n markings and buttons going down. And so that has been going on at the same time, we've also had so some joint sealing in the areas too, but we also use this to work on traffic sign replacement guardrails and any of our street lighting for the streets that we do own. I mean, the street lights that we're responsible for, Oncor and Coserv do have street lights that they're responsible for. We do have some small segments that we do, and then water is another one. So some of these historically, we continue to use cash funding in order to be able to pay for any of our repairs. So we're focusing on inspections and analysis of our large diameter water lines. We focus these on things that we pretty much consider about 21 to 24in or larger. We just completed abo ot pipelines, which is actually up to 72in in diameter. And we did that in partnership with the district. We also the district. We also use this for rehabbing our elevated storage tanks or water towers, also our SCADA upgrades. We've been making some adjustments there to improve our operational equipment for water and sewer operations, valve inventory and exer water line repair. We've had about four water lanes in the last year that the last year that we're going to be too deep or too complicated for our in-house crews to reach. Mostly, the equipment is what would be needed, so bring contractors in to make those emergency repairs. And that's one of the ones that you see here on the 24 inch line. So we're hoping with our proactive inspections and leak detection, we can catch them before they become emergencies and make them more manageable to repair sewer for wastewater. We spend these on active monitoring of sewer flows. So we have flow monitoring that helps us identify areas. We have larger inflow and infiltrationltimatelr getting into the sewer because that increases our sewer treatment costs for when we fore to pay. The North Texas Municipal Water District for treating that sewer. So we want to keep all the rainwater out and only treat sewer to keep those costs down. We do that through studies. We do that through sealing of manholes. Also lining with CIP. Some of our sewer lines. And then we also do proactive inspections of those lines. So we have in-house crews that do ten inch and smaller lines because the equipment is more affordable and manageable, and then lines that are 12in and larger. We previously contracted out and we will do another contract in the next year to do that. And that is all of my pieces.questions, . Bronsky, he doesn't. He's like, well, I just I remember a couple of years ago, you guys had talked about some of the technologies that we were using to monitor, the water for leaks and things like that. Have we, have we seen, I'm guessing have we seen a significant benefit to that? And will we continue to grow that? We did pilot. It was satellite imagery we piloted that we didn't see as much benefit from it as we had hoped. So we've paused on that one. But we have seen benefits by doing internal pipe inspections. Like I mentioned, we just partneredTw the condition of our lines and then we can prioritize repairs moving forward. We have been Wen able to identify some leaks ahead of time, just based upon constant monitoring of whether it was an outfall, and be able to see where water was coming and make those fixes, we just finished our water loss report, , and we've actually been able to reduce that year over year as a combination of being able to see things able to see things sooner. And then hopefully as we do more pipeline inspections, we'll be able to reduce it even further. Well, I appreciate you guys trying to save us some money on on that. And I won't make any comments about the North Texas Water District. Okay All right. Well, I just want to say thanks to all of you guys for hanging around,t the best way to spend your your Monday, but we appreciate i And listening to you talk, it just gives us a tiny glimpse of everything that goes on behind the scenes for us to continue to just enjoy our lives and we appreciate you very, very, very much, honestly. Okay. Yeah, I know we have a closer I'm going to let I'm going to let her close up, but maybe I just wanted to make sure they understood. Okay Now we've got the closer. Are you going to sell us or what's. Well, I had some more slides, but. Oh, you do. Okay. Oh Mr. Ali. Hi. He's he's the star of the show. I'm sorry, I am. Yeah. You are. You're the only thing on the screen. Oh something? Yeah. Charades. Come on. Word movie. What is it? Are we able to find her slides? I can always summarize them verbally too, if I need to. Why don't we? Well, we'll go ahead and do that. Yeah just do that, so with that being said, I'm just going to recap, there we te go. Okay. All right, as far as we're responsible for, planning, we are looking at the alignment with the comprehensive plan. So I just kind of want to summarize everything that all of the departments have done and all these projects that we are moving forward with, and just let you know that, in summary, the Parks and Recreation Department has 85 projects, the majority are to support preventative maintenance preventative maintenance, address issues and promote strategic planning objectives. Those are three out of the all of the different facilities and infrastructure action for categories. As far as engineering goes, there were 190 projects. Thank you. There's 190 projects in the majority of those are addressing issues and inadequacies. This was category A in the F and F, and IAnd theny there's also 91 projects with preventative maintenance. Again, this is helping keep all of our addressing any and all of our inadequacies and keep our streets up to date and our drainage functioning properly. Thank you sir. As far as the facilities plan alignment goes, the majority of these pro maint. Many are addressing issues, but also we're implementing a significant number of projects that incorporate technology improvements in our in our facilities and in facilities and in summary, we do have eight technology service projects that are specifically in addition to these other categories that you've We have one Neighborhood Services project, and these are addressing, primarily addressing critical issuesdressing critical issues, supporting, strategic objectives and promoting technology and innovative solutions, as standalone projects. All 343 of the CIP projects that wereuatedt least in, are consis, are consit least one of the facility and infrastructure policy categories. And that is the summary of the Comprehensive Plan alignment analysis. Easy for you to say all right, Mister Kerry made it. I wanted to make a comment. I did thank you very much for the presentation. You guys. A lot of one of the thing, that I think we all know is true is our staff is exceedingly bu. Your plates are full. And I guess my question is, I look at this and it looks like a lot of stuff. How do you bake in organizational capacity with being able to manage all of these and actuallynd actually ah these? How significant is the org capacity in terms of you know, tackling all of, which lo? You want to answer that? I wasn't trying to stump you guys. That was all rht. Mr. Bronner. And I guess if the if the question is about our analysis of all of these projects, we definitely budget definitely budget our time for it. It's kind of a quick turnaround. We get the draft CIP list of all the projects, and we're prepared to hit the ground running with, categorizing these with the departments, we were kind of hand in hand to prepare as much as we can beforehand, but, we do a you know, a quick two week analysis of this and prepare the, the summary, I guess maybe not well asked, but my question is, as we look then to getting to the work to the w, you know, right now there's all the work of presenting the work. But then when you get to the work, how is itstaff going to hold up to all of these projects? Because I mean, it's a lot. And do we have the organizational capacity to tackle all of these things excellently? I'll answer, at least for the puic works side of things. And we have figured out that this is about what we can handle with our current inspection team load. The engineer we have on staff and our construction coordinators. This is a right about the sweet spot that we can spot that we can be in now. We are sometimes delayed because of contractor challenges or I mentioned we'll overlap with another department. But this is where we feel comfortable. If we were going to add additional projects for the public works perspective, we would need to add an additional engineer sooner. We'd have to also add some additional construction inspectors, because putting the project together and taking it before a contractor to bid is only part of it. It's being able to inspect it on a regular basis and stay up with it. That makes it really successful for us. Yeah, that makes total sense. And I guess sitting on thi thise of the dais, what I don't know is all these things are identified, but and they may be needs, but do we have the organizational capacity somethis not clear sitting over here as you guys present all these. So anyway thankSo anyway, thank you very much. Yeah sure. Any other questions comments. So I move that, as recommended by staff, we approve agenda item number three three. And I have a second. He doesn't even say it. He's exhausted. He's got two fingers up. So I have a motion by Commissioner Bronsky with a second by Commissioner Ratliff to approve item three, please vote. And Mr. Ali. Yes. Okay. Eight zero. You guys knocked it out of the park. Thank you. So much. We really appreciate you, the last item would be any public comments? There are none. There? There are none. There are none. Okay. With no further business, we are adjourned at 949. Thank you guys. Commissioner Ali, you