DO. EVENING, EVERYONE AND WELCOME. WELCOME TO OUR BLOOMINGTON CITY COUNCIL STUDY SESSION. TONIGHT IS MONDAY, JULY 28TH, 2025. APOLOGIES FOR THE LATE START WE HAD A LITTLE PRE-MEETING MEETING SO WE ARE FIVE MINUTES LATE THIS EVENING. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. WE WILL BE AS I SAID THIS IS A STUDY SESSION. WE HAVE THREE ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA THAT ARE DISCUSSION ITEMS AND NO FORMAL ACTION IS REQUIRED IN THOSE IN THOSE STUDY ITEMS UNDER OUR AGENDA WHICH IS THE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA IS OUR FIRST ITEM TONIGHT. WE HAVE NOTHING UNDER INTRODUCTORY CONSENT HEARING AS AS SOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES OR ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESS COUNCIL EXCUSE ME UNDER ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESSES WE HAVE ITEM 5.1 THE BLOOMINGTON FERRY ROAD CORRIDOR VISIONING STUDY. WE HAVE ITEM 5.2 SOLID WASTE RATES AND ITEM 5.3 THE LIQUOR LICENSE DISCUSSION AND ITEM SIX ADJOURNMENT SO WE CAN GET BACK WATCHING THIS GORGEOUS HOT SUMMER EVENING COUNCIL UNLESS THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS I WOULD MOVE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AS STATED. I GUESS WE GOT A MOTION AND THE SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER DALLESSANDRO TO ACCEPT TONIGHT'S AGENDA AS STATED NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO AND THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO POINT OUT THAT COUNCILMEMBER NELSON IS NOT WITH US THIS EVENING. HE IS TRAVELING. WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR AGENDA WHICH IS ON 5.1. THAT'S OUR FIRST ITEM THE BLOOMINGTON FERRY ROAD QUARTER VISIONING STUDY. AMY BROWN FOR MY BLOOMINGTON CITY BLOOMINGTON ASSISTANT TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND PHILIP CLUELESS I THINK IS GOING TO HELP US OUT WITH THIS AS WELL. GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME. GOOD EVENING COUNCILS. NICE TO SEE EVERYONE TONIGHT SO A FEW YEARS AGO WE WERE BEFORE YOU WITH SOME PAVEMENT RECONSTRUCTION WORK BEING CONSIDERED ON BLOOMINGTON FERRIERO ROAD A FEW DIFFERENT SEGMENTS THAT WERE STARTING TO COME UP AND NEEDING ATTENTION AND AT THAT TIME THE COUNCIL HAD ASKED US TO GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AND DEVELOP A VISION FOR THIS CORRIDOR. IT'S IT'S HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT PURPOSES IN THE PAST AND PHIL COOLEY'S WITH SRF CONSULTING GROUP. WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT. HE'S GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THIS ROADWAY AND KIND OF THE GOALS OF THIS STUDY. WE WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNCIL FEELS THAT WE ARE ON TRACK FOR WHAT YOU HAD ASKED US TO GO TAKE A LOOK AT AND THEN THE NEXT TIME WE SEE YOU WE WILL BE BRINGING BACK SOME PREFERRED OR RECOMMENDED ALTERNATIVES FOR THIS CORRIDOR. SO WITH THAT IF WE CAN HAVE THE PRESENTATION PUT UP RIGHT NEXT COOL IS WELCOME. GOOD EVENING. YES, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE. CAN IT BE MADE FULL SCREEN OR NO TO AREA AND PRESENTATION MODE IF POSSIBLE? IF NOT PERFECT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT SO GOT A QUICK AGENDA HERE. SO AS AMY MENTIONED WE'LL JUST GO OVER WHAT THE PROJECT IS AS A WHOLE. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH IT, GO OVER THE PROJECT GOALS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED AND GONE OVER WITH THE TAX AND THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE MADE UP OF VARIOUS MEMBERS OF THE BLOOMINGTON PUBLIC WORKS AND OTHER AGENCIES AS WELL AS HAMMOND COUNTY GO OVER EXISTING CONDITIONS. WHAT WE'VE LEARNED ABOUT THE CORRIDOR FROM DOING AN EXISTING CONDITIONS ANALYSIS PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SO WE'VE HAD ONE ROUND OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SO FAR. SO GO OVER WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC AT THAT AND THEN ALSO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE COMMISSION. SO WE MET WITH PLANNING COMMISSION EARLIER THIS MONTH AS WELL AS THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION TWO WEEKS AGO. SO ALL OF THAT AND THEN JUST DISCUSS NEXT STEPS WITH WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY AND HOW WE'LL GET TO THE FINISH LINE. SO PROJECT OVERVIEW SUBMIT AND VERY ROAD. IT'S ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE CITY JUST EAST OF TRUNK HIGHWAY 169. AHMED USED TO PROVIDE A CONNECTION TO THE MINUTES OR OVER THE MINNESOTA RIVER PRIOR TO 169 BEEN EXTENDED. IT HASN'T BEEN A RIVER CROSSING IN QUITE SOME TIME NOW IN 20 YEARS SO THE USE OF THE CORRIDOR HAS CHANGED. BEFORE IT WAS A RIVER CROSSING WHICH FUNNELS A LOT OF TRAFFIC TO ONE LOCATION WITH THAT REMOVAL TRUCK VOLUMES HAVE DECREASED AND THEY'VE STAYED RELATIVELY THE SAME OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS. NOT A WHOLE LOT OF ROOM FOR DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE CORRIDOR OR SOUTH OF THE CORRIDOR SO VOLUMES HAVE STAYED PRETTY CONSISTENT BUT THE USE HAS CHANGED HERE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A 2.7 MILE STRETCH SO JUST NORTH OF THE BLOOMINGTON FERRY PAD CROSSING THE BRIDGE THERE ALL THE WAY UP TO VENUS AND ENDING AT THE NORTH END. IT PRIMARILY SERVES RESIDENTIAL USES. THERE'S JUST A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS ALONG THE CORRIDOR PARKS RECREATION AS WELL AS A FEW BUSINESSES JUST NORTH OF OLD CHICOPEE ROAD THERE ON THE SOUTH END. AND AS AMY HAD MENTIONED, PREMIUM PRESERVATION PRODUCTS HAS STARTED BACK IN 2021 RECOGNIZES THAT THERE WAS A NEED FOR PAVEMENT REHAB. PAVEMENTS ARE DETERIORATING HOWEVER THERE IS A LOT OF PAVEMENT OUT THERE. IT'S A FOUR LANE ROADWAY WHICH AS I MENTIONED NOW VOLUMES ARE A LOT LOWER SO THERE'S NOT AS MUCH NEED FOR ALL THAT PAVEMENT. SO TRYING TO BE FINANCIALLY RESPONSIBLE AND CONSCIOUS OF THE DECISIONS TO MAINTAIN ALL THAT PAVEMENT SO THAT INITIATED THIS STUDY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS REALLY NEEDED OUT THERE, WHAT'S THE RECOMMENDED ROADWAY LAYOUT CROSS SECTION TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MAKING BEST USE OF OUR PUBLIC RESOURCES HERE. SO THIS STUDY AND THE VISION STUDY KICKED OFF EARLIER THIS SPRING AND REALLY IT'S TO COME UP WITH THE RECOMMENDED ALTERNATIVE DESIGN OF THE ROADWAY THAT MEETS THE CURRENT NEEDS AS WELL AS THE FUTURE NEEDS OF THE CORRIDOR RIGHT HERE. JUST AN IMAGE OF WHAT'S OUT THERE TODAY LIES ON THE NORTHERN HALF SO YOU CAN SEE IT'S TWO LANES EAST DIRECTION WHERE THE SHARED USE PATH AND SIDEWALK AS WELL ON ONE SIDE. SO IT'S A PRETTY BUILT OUT ROADWAY. THERE'S A LOT OF ROADWAY OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. SO THIS PROJECT IS DETERMINED WHAT'S THE BEST USE OF ALL OF THAT RIGHT AWAY SINCE WE'RE NOT REALLY CONCERNED WITH THE RIGHT AWAY FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO WITH IT. SO PROJECT GOALS SO THESE ARE FIVE OVERARCHING CORBETT CURVES. WE HAVE MORE DETAILED GOALS WILL SHOW LATER ON BUT ESSENTIALLY THE GOALS HERE ARE TO RIGHT SIZE THE CORRIDOR. I'LL COME UP WITH A DESIGN THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF VARIOUS FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION VEHICLES, PADS, BIKES. I'M ALSO BUILDING A SUSTAINABLE AND RESILIENT INFRASTRUCTURE SO SOMETHING THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE FUTURE RAINSTORMS REDUCES IMPERVIOUS AREA TO REALLY BE MORE SUSTAINABLE GREENHOUSE GASES. THAT'S ALSO AN ITEM THAT THE CITY HAS TAKEN INITIATIVE ON OF HELPING REDUCE. SO THAT'S A GOAL OF THE PROJEC AND THEN THE ENHANCED PAD CROSSINGS THAT'S REALLY ONE OF THE CORE OBJECTIVES HERE IS RECOGNIZING THERE'S VULNERABLE ROAD USER ON THE CORRIDOR THERE'S A TRAIL ALONG THE CORRIDOR SO TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE BEING COGNIZANT OF THAT AND DESIGN FACILITIES THAT ACCOMMODATE AND HELP FACILITATE THEIR MOVEMENT. QUICK OVERVIEW ON TRAFFIC CONDITIONS OUT HERE. SO AS I MENTIONED, PROGRAMS ARE LOWER THAN THEY USED TO BE BUT THEY'VE BEEN REALLY STEADY FOR THE PAST 20 OR SO YEARS. WE SEE DAILY TRAFFIC IN THE RANGE OF 3500 TO 7000 OUT THERE AND JUST PUT THAT IN CONTEXT. I MEAN A FOUR LANE ROADWAY TYPICALLY STARTING TO BE LOOKED AT WHEN YOU'RE 15,000 PLUS. SO WE'RE WE'RE WELL BELOW THAT INDICATING THAT THERE'S EXCESS CAPACITY OUT THERE FROM WHAT'S NEEDED. SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL TO REDUCE LANES OUT THERE AND USE THE RIGHT OF WAY IN A DIFFERENT USE THE NECESSARY VEHICLE LANES. WE ALSO COLLECTED VEHICLE SPEEDS OUT THERE TO SEE WHAT ARE PEOPLE SELECTING TO DRIVE OUT THERE CURRENTLY AND WE DO SEE SOME ELEVATED SPEEDS ABOVE THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT AVERAGES AN 85TH PERCENTILE SPEED WHICH IS MUST BE AT LEAST 85% OF THE VEHICLES ARE TRAVELING AT. THOSE ARE ELEVATED IN THE 5 TO 10 MILE PER HOUR RANGE. SO SOME OF THE MECHANICS OF SOMETHING THAT WE'RE INTERESTED IN CONTROLLING AND REDUCING HERE ARE RECOGNIZING THAT THERE IS A LOT OF PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLES OUT THERE. SO AGAIN BE COGNIZANT OF THAT . THERE'S TWO SIGNALS OUT THERE ONE AT VANESSA'S STREET ON THE NORTH END AND ONE AT 102ND STREET AT COUNTRYSIDE PARK. SO THOSE ARE TWO SIGNALS ARE BEING MAINTAINED AND OPERATED BY THE CITY CURRENTLY THEY DO NOT MEET WARRANTS BASED ON CURRENT TRAFFIC VOLUMES AND THEY'RE FAIRLY WELL BELOW THE WARRANTS. THEY'RE NOT REALLY NEAR THE THRESHOLD OF NEEDING A SIGNAL INDICATING THAT THERE'S A SIGNAL OUT THERE BUT IT'S LIKELY NOT NEEDED TO MAINTAIN AND CONTROL TRAFFIC OVERALL THE INTERSECTIONS OPERATE WELL. WE'RE NOT REALLY SEEING DELAYS OUT THERE. MOST PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO MAKE THEIR MOVEMENTS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ARE RELATIVELY EASY AND UNIMPEDED AND THEN ALSO FOR THE MOST PART CRASHES ARE NOT ELEVATED EXCEPT FOR BLOOMINGTON VERY ROAD AND LONESOME DRIVE. THERE IS AN INTERSECTION THAT THERE IS ELEVATED CRASH RATE AND MEANING THERE'S MORE CRASHES OCCURRING RELATIVE TO SIMILAR INTERSECTION AROUND THE STATE AND THAT INTERSECTION IS ACTUALLY IN THE TOP FIVE IN THE CITY FOR CRASH RATE. SO IT DOES IN A LITTLE BIT HERE AS WE LOOK AT CRASHES AND HOW THE INTERSECTIONS PERFORMING IF I COULD JUST AS A QUICK QUESTION PLEASE. WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE USING THE WORD WARRANTS AS IN IT'S NOT WARRANTED. IT'S NOT NEEDED, CORRECT? CORRECT IS TO FROM A POLICE STANDPOINT A WARRANT OR OH YEAH, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES. BUT IT DOESN'T MEET THESE SIGNALS REALLY DON'T MEET THE NEED OF HAVING A SIGNAL THERE. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? CORRECT. EXACTLY. YEP. YOU JUST WANT TO CLARIFY? YEP. NO GOOD QUESTION. ANYTHING ELSE? I GUESS WHILE I'M PAUSED. ALL RIGHT. SO AS WE MENTIONED, PED BIKES IS A BIG FOCUS HERE SO HERE'S THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. SO I MEAN FOR THE MOST PART THERE ARE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE FACILITIES ALONG THE CORRIDOR. I MEAN THERE'S A CONTINUOUS TRAIL AS WELL AS SIDEWALK. THERE'S THE BIKE TRAIL, THE HIGHLAND TRAIL WHICH WILL BE THE FUTURE CP RAIL REGIONAL TRAIL FOR 106 STREETS ARE JUST NORTH OF OLD ROCKY ROAD DOWN TO FERRY DOWN TO THE FERRY BRIDGE SO ALONG THE CORRIDOR IT'S PRETTY WELL THERE'S DEDICATED PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE FACILITIES CROSSING THE CORRIDOR SO GOING ACROSS BURLINGTON FERRY ROAD IT CAN BE MORE CHALLENGING IN THE SENSE THAT THERE'S NOT AS MANY MARKED CROSSWALKS THERE PARTICULARLY ON THE NORTH HALF ONCE YOU GET NORTH OF PIONEER TRAIL THE ACTUAL CROSSINGS OF BLOOMINGTON FERRY ROAD ARE PRETTY SPARSE WATER RESOURCES. SO THIS IS ALSO A FOCUS HERE OF THE GOALS OF SUSTAINABILITY RESILIENCY. SO THE MAP HERE ON THE RIGHT IS SHOWN ON THE 100 YEAR STORM EVENT. SO A STORM THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO OCCUR ONCE EVERY HUNDRED YEARS ALTHOUGH THESE DAYS WITH THE RAIN WE'RE GETTING THERE THEY'RE MORE FREQUENT. THE BLUE AREAS ARE WHERE ESSENTIALLY THERE THERE'S FLOODING WHERE THE WATER LIMITS GO TO AND DOWN ON THE SOUTH END RIGHT AROUND LAND LANE THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THE BLUE GO OFF THE ROADWAY THAT'S SHOWING THAT THERE'S WATER, THERE'S FLOODING RIGHT IN THAT AREA. SO THAT'S LANDAUER CIRCLE, WYOMING CIRCLE AND WYOMING WAY. SO THERE'S PROPERTIES IN THAT AREA THAT DURING HEAVY STORM EVENTS ACTUALLY RECEIVE WATER AND THEY ACTUALLY GET FLOODING IN THEIR PROPERTIES DUE TO THE WATER RUNNING OFF THE ROAD HERE AND NOT BEING CONTROLLED . SHIFTING GEARS HERE SO PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SO WE'VE HELD THE FIRST ROUND OF THAT WHICH THAT WAS REALLY TO GATHER INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC HERE THERE THE PUBLIC CONCERNS ISSUES THE PUBLIC OBVIOUSLY IF THEY'RE OUT THERE DRIVING, WALKING, BIKING AND EVERY DAY THEY HAVE A LOT OF INSIGHTS INTO US. SO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WE HEARD FROM THEM TO UNDERSTAND CONCERNS OF WHERE WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING. SO THIS OCCURRED EARLIER THIS SPRING. THERE WAS AN OPEN HOUSE COUNTRYSIDE PARK RIGHT ALONG THE CORRIDOR BACK IN MAY WHERE WE GATHERED INPUT. WE HAD ROUGHLY 80 PEOPLE FROM THE PUBLIC ATTEND SO WE GOT A LOT OF GOOD INPUT FROM THEM. WE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS. WE ALSO HAD A SURVEY THAT WE HANDED OUT WE COULD HAVE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS SO THAT WAS WELL ATTENDED AND GOT SOME GOOD INPUT AS WELL AS LET'S TALK BLOOMINGTON WHICH I'M SURE AND YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH. SO PAGE THAT WEBSITE THAT THE THE CITY USES TO PROVIDE UPDATES AND GATHER INPUT ON OUR ON PROJECTS FROM THE PUBLIC SO THAT WAS ALSO USED AND THAT WAS ALSO WELL VISITED BY THE PUBLIC. SO THERE WAS OVER A THOUSAND PEOPLE THAT VISITED THE WEBSITE AND JUST FOR REFERENCE MAIL OR WAS SENT OUT TO ROUGHLY 4000 PEOPLE OR IN BUSINESSES ALONG THE CORRIDOR. SO PRETTY HAPPY WITH A THOUSAND PEOPLE VISITING THE WEBSITE AND WE HAD 35 UNIQUE PEOPLE PROVIDE COMMENTS ON THE MAP. YOU CAN SEE HERE PEOPLE CAN GO ON THERE DROP PINS FOR COMMENTS ON WHERE THEY'RE SEEING ANY ISSUES OR WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE. I MEAN THERE WERE 60 COMMENTS LEFT. SO OVERALL WE'RE PRETTY HAPPY WITH THE INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE PUBLIC AND AND THIS SIDE DOCUMENTS KEY THEMES WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC PEOPLE MENTIONED THAT THERE'S HIGHER SPEEDS ALONG THE CORRIDOR. WE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE ENJOY WALKING BIKE ALONG THE CORNER BUT CROSSING OF OLMSTED VERY ROAD CAN BE CHALLENGING PARTICULARLY THERE'S SOME STOP SIGNS THAT PEOPLE COMMENTED ON . A LOT OF DRIVERS DON'T EXACTLY STOP AT THE STOP SIGNS. THEY DO MORE ROLLING STOPS SO THE SAFETY OF PEDESTRIANS AND BIKES AT CROSSING IS SOMETHING WE ALL WANT TO PAY ATTENTION TO. DEFINITELY HEARD THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE COMMENTED THAT THEY FELT THAT SEEMS REASONABLE TO REDUCE THE LINE OF TRAFFIC. WE WERE OUT THERE ROUGHLY IN THE 4 TO 6 P.M. TIMEFRAME SO GENERALLY WHEN VOLUMES ARE HIGHER A LOT PEOPLE ARE COMING BACK AND IT WAS PRETTY QUIET OUT THERE SO A LOT OF PEOPLE COME TO THAT REDUCING LINE SEEMS FEASIBLE AND AND SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE HERE ARE ROUNDABOUTS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY SEVERAL PEOPLE I'D SAY IT'S YOU CAN'T GET THE MIX ALWAYS WITH ROUNDABOUTS OF SOME PEOPLE SUPPORT THEM SOME PEOPLE DON'T . I SAY OUT HERE WE DEFINITELY HAD MORE FAVORITISM AT LEAST THAT PARTICULAR LOCATIONS FOR ROUNDABOUTS THAT THEY MADE SENSE IN A LOT OF LOCATIONS AS WELL AS GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE. THERE WAS NOTHING SUPPORT FOR IMPLEMENTING GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE AND HAVING VEGETATION OUT THERE THAT WAS MAINTAINED AND PROVIDED BENEFITS TO THE ENVIRONMENT. SO OVERALL SOME GOOD INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WE'RE CARRYING FORWARD INTO ALTERNATIVES COMING UP HERE. SO AS MENTIONED WE WENT OUT TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION EARLIER THIS MONTH PRESENTED A POWERPOINT PRETTY SIMILAR IN LOCATIONS. THERE'S A BIT MORE DETAIL BUT WE BASICALLY WANTED TO GATHER INPUT ON THE GOALS OF THE PROJECT AND MAKE SURE WE'RE WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK AS WELL AS WE START TO LOOK AT WHAT THE ACTUAL QUARTER COULD BE SPECIFIC DESIGN ELEMENTS. SO WE SHARED SOME SLIDES THAT WE'LL HAVE UP HERE AND WE'LL SUMMARIZE THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED ABOUT THOSE COMMISSIONS. SO THE FIRST ONE WAS ON GOALS . SO AS I SHOWED PREVIOUSLY THERE ON THE LEFT WITH THOSE FIVE CORE OBJECTIVES WE BROKE THOSE DOWN INTO MORE DETAILS AND ONES THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY MEASURE THROUGH VARIOUS ANALYSIS TECHNIQUES SO WE HAVE WATER RESOURCES, STABILITY, MOBILITY AND COST AS THE FOUR OVERARCHING AREAS AND THEN WE HAVE MORE SPECIFIC GOALS UNDER EACH ONE OF THESE THAT WILL BE ABLE TO EVALUATE ALTERNATIVES AGAINST AND SEE HOW THEY COMPARE AND CONTRAST AGAINST EACH OTHER. BUT THESE ARE THE GOALS HERE. I MEAN A LOT OF THEM ARE AT LEAST WATER RESOURCES TO SUSTAINABILITY. THOSE ARE REALLY TRYING TO BUILD A SUSTAINABLE AND RESILIENCE ROADWAY AND THEN MOBILITY AND COST GETS TO MAKING SURE WE'RE REBUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE THAT SUPPORTS THE SAFE AND EFFICIENT MOVEMENT OF VEHICLES, PEDESTRIANS, BIKES AND THEN WHILE ALSO BEING FINANCIALLY CONSCIOUS OF OF THIS AS YOU RECOGNIZING INITIALLY THIS VISIONING STUDY WAS SPURRED ON BY NOT WANTING TO NECESSARILY REHAB THE PAVEMENT OUT THERE AND MAINTAIN MORE MORE LANES OF TRAFFIC THAN NECESSARY. SO THAT'S A GOAL HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT KIND OF ORIGINAL PURPOSE OF WHY WE'RE TAKING A LOOK HERE IS IS BEING CONSIDERED AND THEN HERE WE HAVE INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED. SO AT THE TOP THERE'S THE PLANNING COMMISSION INPUT AND THEN ON THE BOTTOM SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION INPUT FROM PLANNING COMMISSION NO NEW GOALS WERE ADDED AND REALLY THEY SUPPORTED THE OVERALL GOALS OF TRYING TO BE MORE SUSTAINABLE OR REDUCING GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS BUILDINGS AND THAT SUSTAINABLE AND REALLY UTILIZING THE RIGHT OF WAY TO MEET THE NEEDS REALLY DON'T SEE A NEED FOR THE MOST PART TO OBTAIN ADDITIONAL RIGHT AWAY. THERE'S A LOT OF ROADWAY OUT THERE SO REALLY TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE USING THAT EFFICIENTLY AND NOT NEEDING ADDITIONAL RIGHT AWAY WHERE IT'S NOT NECESSARY. OUR SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION A LOT OF COMMENTS WERE RELATED TO VEGETATION SUPPORT FOR THAT REDUCING THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT WHICH IS EVER PREVALENT DAYS LIKE TODAY. SO REDUCING THAT AS WELL AS BUILDING SOME THAT'S ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSCIOUS IN TERMS OF THE MATERIALS AND THEN FLOODING WAS ALSO SOME THAT WAS MENTIONED THAT THAT SHOULD BE ONE OF THE TOP PRIORITIES HERE THAT WHEN THERE'S FLOODING IN THE ROADWAY THAT'S EXTENDING OFF THE ROADWAY INTO ADJACENT PROPERTIES THAT'S IMPACTING THE THE PUBLIC IMPACTING RESIDENTS OF BLOOMINGTON DIRECTLY. THERE WAS ALSO COMMENTS ABOUT INCLUDING RESIDENTIAL SATISFACTION AND GOALS AND AND AT THIS POINT WE'RE WE'RE GATHERING INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S CAN BE MORE CHALLENGING THEM DIRECTLY MEASURE SO WE WILL BE GOING BACK OUT TO THE PUBLIC HERE IN THE FALL WITH ALTERNATIVES AND GATHERING INPUT. SO WE'RE WE'RE CAPTURING IT THAT WAY. THEN WE PRESENTED THREE PLAN CONCEPTS. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE ENVISIONING REDUCING THE NUMBER LANES OUT THERE WHERE IT'S TWO LANES EACH DIRECTION DOWN TO ONE LANE EACH DIRECTION BUT THAT CAN LOOK MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE ARE THREE DIFFERENT WAYS OF WHAT A THREE LANE IS. SO THAT'S ONE LANE EACH DIRECTION WITH THEN TURN LANES OR TO A LEFT TURN LANE. SO THE TOP ONE IS A THREE LANE WITH A TWO LEFT TURN LANE SO THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN GET IN THERE AND MAKE YOUR LEFT TURNS FROM THERE AND YOU CAN ALSO TURN IN THEY'RE TYPICALLY MORE PREVALENT IN AREAS WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF DRIVEWAY ACCESSES OR A LOT OF BUSINESS ACCESS POINTS. SO 86 STREETS AND EXAMPLE THERE. CEDAR LAKE ROAD IS THE ONE HERE IN THE MIDDLE. SO IN SAINT LOUIS PARK THAT'S A THREE LANE WITH TURN LANES WHERE EVERYTHING'S NARROWED UP AND THERE'S ONE INSURED LANE OR ONE LANE EACH DIRECTION BUT THE TURNS OCCUR FROM A DEDICATED LEFT TURN LANE SO YOU CAN SEE THAT UP THERE. AND THEN A THIRD OPTION IS MORE OF A PARKWAY WHERE THERE IS ONE IN EACH DIRECTION TURN LANES BUT THEN THERE'S A WIDE GRASS MEANING IN THE MIDDLE AND AN EXAMPLE THAT IS 98TH STREET HERE IN BLOOMINGTON JUST WEST OF NORM DALE BOULEVARD AND SO PRESENTED THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR WHAT A THREE LINK LOOK LIKE AND SANJAY FROM PLANNING AND SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION MEAN FOR THE MOST PART THE SUPPORT WAS TO A THREE LANE SECTION THAT HAS THE ONE LANE EACH DIRECTION AND THEN THE TURN LANES SO REALLY NARROWING UP THE FOOTPRINT AND THEN KEEPING THE GREEN SPACE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE ROADWAY I THOUGHT ON THIS IS THAT IT CAN FACILITATE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE MANEUVERS MORE EASILY AND THEN IT PROVIDES THAT GREEN SPACE THAT CAN BE MORE USABLE FOR THE PUBLIC IF IT'S IN THE THE MEDIAN IT MIGHT NOT BE AS USABLE ON PEOPLE AFTER YOU CROSS THE ROADWAY AND THEN IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD WHICH PEOPLE AREN'T MAYBE NECESSARILY LOOKING HANG OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD. SO BY HAVING AN OFF TO THE SIDE IT PROVIDES MORE OF MORE USABLE SPACE WE CAN BETTER USE THE RIGHT WAY TO FOR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES BICYCLE TREATMENTS SO THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES HERE WE'RE NOW INTO MORE SPECIFIC DESIGN ELEMENTS RECOGNIZING PEDS BIKES IS A BIG FOCUS HERE SO WE PRESENTED THE VARIOUS OPTIONS HERE SO THERE'S MIXED USE TRAIL ON STREET BIKE FACILITIES ONE WAY CYCLE TRACKS WHICH ARE AGAIN OFF ROAD BUT THEY'RE ONE ONE WAY EACH SIDE OF THE ROAD AND THEN A TWO WAY CYCLE TRACK WHICH IS THERE'S BIKES GONE BOTH WAYS ON ONE SIDE OF ROAD SO FOR THE MOST PART HERE THE FACILITIES ALONG THE ENTIRE VERY ROAD ARE PRETTY GOOD. THERE'S DEDICATED BIKE FACILITIES OUT THERE SO ONE INPUT WAS ALWAYS MAINTAINING THAT LEVEL OF BIKE FACILITIES ARE OUT THERE BUT NOT NECESSARILY OVER DESIGNING IT ON. THERE'S COMMENTS ON TRAVEL VOLUMES ARE THAT HIGH OUT THERE SPEEDS THEY ARE ELEVATED BUT IT'S NOT A 55 MILE PER HOUR ROADWAY. SO THE BALANCING ACT HERE OF ACCOMMODATING THEM, DESIGNING FOR THEM BUT THEY'RE NOT OVER DESIGN THE FACILITIES FOR SOME OF THEM MIGHT NOT BE NEEDED. SO GETTING BACK TO THE SORT OF THE SUSTAINABILITY PIECE OF IT OF TRYING TO RIGHT SIZE THE SOLUTION FOR WHAT'S OUT THERE AND THEN SUSTAINABILITY RIGHT INPUT OF SEPARATE BIKE FACILITIES THAT THEY'RE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW THAT IF THERE'S THE ROADWAY AVAILABLE THAT THERE SHOULD BE OR DESIGNED FOR DEDICATE FACILITIES AND THEN JUST BE COGNIZANT OF HOW THE FACILITIES ARE CLEARED OF SNOW THAT IF THEY'RE NOT DESIGNED APPROPRIATELY IT CAN BE MORE CHALLENGING IN THE WINTER TIME TO CLEAR AND THEN THAT CAN LEAD TO IT POTENTIALLY NOT GETTING CLEARED OR IT'S MORE CHALLENGING AND PEOPLE MAY NOT USE IT AS MUCH PEDESTRIAN TREATMENTS. SO WE PRESENT A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS. THERE ARE FEES WHICH IS THE RECTANGULAR REPLICATION BEACON. THOSE ARE THE BRIGHT FLASHING SIGNS THAT YOU MIGHT SEE OUT THERE MIXED USE TRAILS AS WELL AS REFUGE ISLANDS WHERE YOU HAVE THE CONCRETE MEDIAN IN THE MIDDLE ALLOWS PEOPLE TO CROSS ONE DIRECTION, LOOK AT THE LOOK FOR TRAFFIC AND THEN CROSS THE OTHER DIRECTION. SO WE PRESENT THESE OPTIONS I MEAN FOR THE MOST PART THE INPUT WAS LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE DESIGNING FOR PEDESTRIANS AND MAINTAINING WHAT'S OUT THERE TODAY AT LEAST AND HOPEFULLY IMPROVING THAT. PLANNING COMMISSION ALSO MENTIONED THE CURB EXTENSIONS WHICH IS ON THE BOTTOM. THERE MIGHT NOT NECESSARY BE THE RIGHT FIT FOR THE CORNER DEPENDING ON HOW IT'S DESIGNED SINCE I COULD PINCH THE BIKE LANE AND REALLY REDUCE THAT SPACE. SO I'M AGAIN JUST KIND OF A BALANCING ACT HERE. WHAT'S NEEDED FOR THE CONDITIONS OUT THERE INTERSECTION TREATMENTS SO THERE'S VARIOUS OPTIONS HERE SIGNAL MINI ROUNDABOUT STOP SIGNS AND FULL BLOWN ROUNDABOUTS. ALL RIGHT. NOW THERE'S A MIX OF STOP SIGNS OUT THERE AND SIGNALS SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT THERE THOSE ARE ACTUALLY BOTH IMAGES ARE BLOCKED AND VERY ROAD. SO RIGHT NOW THERE'S VARIOUS INTERSECTION TRAFFIC CONTROL PLANNING COMMISSION. I DIDN'T RULE ANYTHING OUT. THEY BASICALLY SAID LOOK, THE TRAFFIC NUMBERS AND TRAFFIC ANALYSIS DICTATE WHAT'S NEEDED OUT THERE. ROUNDABOUTS WERE IT SEEMED LIKE A GOOD LOOK AT A GOOD TYPE OF CONTROL AT LOTS OF LOCATIONS PARTICULARLY PIONEER IMPLEMENTED VERY ROAD SO WHERE THE CORRIDOR GOES FROM EAST WEST RIGHT THERE TO NORTH SOUTH THAT'S ONE OF THE BUSIER INTERSECTION ON THE CORRIDOR. SO I WAS BROUGHT UP AS A GOOD LOCATION FOR A ROUNDABOUT AND SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION HAS AN INTEREST IN ELIMINATING TRAFFIC CONTROL THAT'S NOT NEEDED AND ALIGNING CONTROL WITH WHAT'S NEEDED GETTING AT THE TWO SIGNALS THAT ARE OUT THERE TODAY THAT AREN'T NECESSARY WARRANTED THAT'S ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE THAT IS REQUIRED IN TERMS OF POWER POLES GET HIT DURING SNOW EVENTS. SO REALLY TRYING TO MAKE SURE WHAT'S OUT THERE IS NEEDED. I'M GOING TO RIGHT SIZING THE SOLUTIONS HERE AND THE FINAL ITEM HERE THAT WE RECEIVED INPUT ON FROM THE PLANNING AND SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSIONS ARE GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE. I MEAN FOR THE MOST PART BOTH COMMISSIONS SUPPORT THIS ARE LOOKING AT WAYS TO REDUCE IMPERVIOUS AREAS AND BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE THAT CAN HELP REDUCE THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT OR REDUCE FLOODING BETTER MANAGE STORM THERE'S INTEREST TO USE THE RIGHT WAY TO BE MORE OF A PLACE MAKING BE MORE OF A PLACE THAT PEOPLE WANT TO BE. SO LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES TO USE EVERY WAY TO DRAW PEOPLE TO THE CORRIDOR AND WHETHER IT'S LINEAR PARKS LIKE HOPSCOTCH WAS BROUGHT UP AS A POTENTIAL I CAN BE INCORPORATED. SO REALLY TRYING TO USE THE RIGHT WAY THAT'S AVAILABLE TO FOR OTHER USES OTHER THAN JUST MOVING VEHICLES PADS, BIKES MAKING IT MORE OF A PLACE THAT PEOPLE WANT TO BE SO USE THAT'S A GOAL OF THE CITY AS WELL AND THAT WAS ONE OF OUR GOALS THAT WE HAD THERE THAT WAS MENTIONED THAT PLANNING COMMISSION THERE WAS AN INTEREST IN TREE PLANNING TO FOR GREENHOUSE GASES AS WELL AS REDUCING SALT USE. SO EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE ON BOARD WITH BUILDING A ROAD THAT'S SUSTAINABLE AND RESILIENT . SO WE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE AS WELL AS ALL THE INPUT GATHERED FROM THE COMMISSIONS. SO NOW WE HAVE A COUPLE BULLET POINTS HERE QUESTIONS FOR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HERE TO SEE ARE WE ON THE RIGHT TRACK? IS THERE ANYTHING WE'RE MISSING? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE US TO CONSIDER BEFORE WE REALLY GET INTO THE POINT NOW OF PUTTING PEN TO PAPER AND DEVELOPING ALTERNATIVES THAT WE CAN START TO EVALUATE AGAINST THE GOALS WE DEVELOPED AND PRESENT TO THE PUBLIC IN SEPTEMBER? VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. COUNCIL SOME POSSIBLE TALKERS THERE ARE SOME TALKING POINTS BUT I'M SURE FOLKS HAVE IDEAS AND SUGGESTIONS BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE HEARD. ALSO ANYONE LIKE TO CHIME IN COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO I THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. >> I HAD A QUICK QUESTION. I THINK THAT WHEN WE FIRST SPOKE ABOUT THIS A WHILE BACK I WASN'T SURE THAT ALL OF BLOOMINGTON FAIRY ROAD WAS IN CONSIDERATION FOR THIS PARTICULAR STUDY. NUMBER ONE, DO I REMEMBER THAT CORRECTLY? I FEEL LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT JUST THE ONE SECTION FOR THE FOR THE FIRST TIME. >> YEAH. MR. MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO IT WAS DEFINITELY THE PAVEMENT SECTIONS WE WERE LOOKING AT FOR WORK WERE MORE LIMITED BUT WE'RE STUDYING IT AS AN ENTIRE CORRIDOR CONCEPT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A PLAN THAT CAN BE IMPLEMENTED THROUGH SEVERAL DIFFERENT PROJECTS. RIGHT. THAT THAT'S A THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. THE REASON I ASK THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE I'M I'M YOU KNOW, I'M ONE OF THE THINGS I'M MOST INTERESTED IN IS THAT WE IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THINGS LIKE MULTI-MODAL TRANSPORTATION, BIKE LANES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A TRAVERSE SET YOU KNOW, AN ABILITY TO TRAVERSE TRAVERSE A PORTION OF THE CITY THAT MAKES SENSE IF YOU'RE JUST GOING TO DO ONE SMALL PIECE OF IT AND WE'RE NOT CONNECTING THE THREE WAYS FOR THAT KIND OF TRANSPORTATION WE END UP IN THE SAME PLACE WE ARE IN A LOT OF WAYS IN THE CITY NOW WHERE WE HAVE SOME NORTH-SOUTH AND SOME EAST-WEST BUT NOTHING THAT LOOKS REALLY COHESIVE AND SO THIS TO ME FEELS LIKE A PRETTY COHESIVE END TO END NORTH-SOUTH STUDY ON THE WEST SIDE. WHAT EXACTLY IS IF YOU CAN ANSWER THIS IT SAYS IT'S 2.7 MILES. WOULD THAT BE THE SAME WOULD THAT BE THE SAME AMOUNT OF OF BIKE LANE THAT YOU WOULD GET APPROXIMATELY FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS? WOULD IT WOULD WOULD THE BIKE LANE TRAVERSE THAT ENTIRE 2.7 MILES AS WELL AS THAT THE GOAL ? I THINK SO YES YEAH THAT'S WHAT'S OUT THERE TODAY AND THAT'S WHAT WE'D BE LOOKING TO MAINTAIN JUST ENHANCE. >> OKAY FORGIVE ME IF YOU HAVE IT IN HERE AND I DID NOT SEE IT BUT DO WE HAVE A RIDER NUMBER OR A BIKER NUMBERS ON THE CURRENT PATH TODAY WE HAVE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE NUMBERS AT THE INTERSECTIONS. WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN HERE BUT WE DO HAVE THAT INFORMATION. OKAY. IT'D BE GOOD TO SEE THAT. I THINK JUST TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'D BE TALKING ABOUT AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE POTENTIAL IF YOU CAN MAP IT OUT, THE POTENTIAL INCREASE IN THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC THAT YOU MIGHT BELIEVE WE WOULD SEE IF WE DID MAKE IT MORE CONTINUOUS IF THAT MAKES SENSE. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. I'LL I'LL THOSE ARE JUST THE THOUGHTS I HAVE NOT MY HEAD I'M HAPPY TO MAKE COMMENTS AFTER OTHER FOLKS HAVE BUT I DON'T I WILL NOT BE PLACED IN TIME THANKS OTHER FOLKS COUNCILMEMBER THANK YOU MAYOR THEY'VE BE HERE TONIGHT. I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE I DROVE THIS ROAD FOR FIVE YEARS GOING FORTH AND I'VE SEEN PEOPLE GOING 55 ON THIS ROAD BECAUSE IT'S WIDE. THEY CAN SEE EVERYTHING. THERE'S VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC SO PEOPLE JUST GO BEFORE YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING 45, 50 MILES AN HOUR. SO I'M EXCITED TO SEE THIS. AND THEN THIS WEEKEND AND MY WAY TO THE SECOND TO FOR KID BIRTHDAY PARTIES WE HAD I DROVE THROUGH THIS ROAD AGAIN FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A WHILE AND THEN A RANDOM THOUGHT CAME TO MY HEAD AND IS VERY OUT OF LEFT FIELD. THERE'S A STRETCH BETWEEN ONE ON SIX AND ONE ON SECOND AND I WONDERED IF WE WENT DOWN TO TWO LANES COULD WE SELL THIS LAND SO WE DON'T HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT AND PEOPLE CAN BUILD HOUSES ON THIS BECAUSE AS WE DROVE THROUGH IT WAS INCREDIBLE HOW WIDE BOTH LANES PLUS THE MEDIAN PLUS THE FOUR LIKE THE TWO BIKE LANES PLUS THE SIDEWALKS. RIGHT. IT'S SO WIDE HERE AND I HARDLY EVER SEE ANYONE DRIVE ON THIS ROAD IS THERE ROOM TO MAKE ROOM FOR HOUSING FROM 106 TO 1 ON SECOND ON THE WEST SIDE OF THAT RANDOM THOUGHT OUT OF LEFT FIELD. BUT AS WE'RE TRYING TO FIND SOLUTIONS FOR THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING ISSUES THAT ARE PLAGUING THE COUNTRY THE STATE THE CITY THAT IS AN OPTION WE MIGHT CONSIDER LOOKING AT TO SAVE US ON COSTS TO RECOUP THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE INVESTED INTO THIS BUT THEN ALLOW HOMEOWNERS TO ACTUALLY BE IN THIS SPACE. RANDOM THOUGHT BUT OTHERWISE NO, I THINK THIS IS GREAT REDUCING LANES MAKING IT MORE MANAGEABLE, SUPPORTING THE TRAFFIC DISTRICT THERE I THINK THAT LIGHT FOR FIVE YEARS I'VE DRIVEN IT I THINK YOU KIND OF ON ONE HAND HOW MANY TIMES I STOP THERE I'M NOT A HUGE FAN OF ROUNDABOUTS MYSELF PERSONALLY BUT I UNDERSTAND THE APPEAL OVERALL I THINK THIS MAKES SENSE REDUCING THE DAMAGE FROM RAIN RUNOFF TO PROPERTY OWNERS ALLOWING IT TO BE JUST A MORE PEACEFUL, MORE ENJOYABLE SPACE. IT MAKES SENSE TO ME. THANK YOU. WE SHOULD IT OTHERS I THINK TO TO BUILD OFF OF COUNCILMEMBER THOUGHTS ON JUST ON THE FINANCIAL SIDE OF THINGS YOU DID LIST THE CAPITAL COSTS IN THE LONG TERM MAINTENANCE COSTS IN ONE OF YOUR EARLY SLIDES AND I DO THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING TO BE CONSIDERED AND IN EACH OF THESE DIFFERENT PIECES SOMETHING TO BE CONSIDERED WHETHER IT'S THE GREEN SPACE, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD THAT BE MANAGED AND AND MAINTAINED YOU KNOW WHAT'S EASIER TO PLOW IS THE THREE LANE WITH THE CENTER TURN LANE I MEAN IS THAT EASIER TO CLEAR THAN IT WOULD BE IF IT WAS WHAT WE SAW ON CEDAR LAKE ROAD IN ST LOUIS PARK? YOU KNOW WHAT ALL THOSE DIFFERENT PIECES I THINK NEED TO COME INTO PLAY AS WE CONSIDER THIS AND LOOK AT DIFFERENT WAYS OF DOING THIS AND AS I SAID I KNOW YOU THEY WERE AT LEAST LISTED THERE BUT I THINK AS WE DIG INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE THOSE ALL ENCOMPASSING COST NOT ONLY THE CAPITAL COST OF BUILDING IT BUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO TAKE CARE OF IT OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS AS WELL. THOSE OF THOSE COUNCIL COUNCIL MEMBER READ US MY MY QUESTION IS THAT IN REGARDS TO DO WITH OR ANY OF THAT IF I MAY ASK IT ,I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. AS I WAS READING 1080 PEOPLE PARTICIPATED OR WENT TO THE WEBSITE BUT ONLY 35 OF THEM ACTUALLY HAD SOME INPUT INTO IT. RIGHT? SO WHAT ARE YOU PLANNING TO DO TO GET MORE PEOPLE ENGAGED WITH THEIR OPEN HOUSES OR WHATEVER YOU'RE PLANNING IN SEPTEMBER? COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION AND IT'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE. YOU KNOW, WE WE REALLY WANT TO GATHER FEEDBACK. I'M ACTUALLY IMPRESSED WITH THE NUMBERS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN SO FAR JUST WHEN WE WERE LOOKING FOR PRELIMINARY INFORMATION FROM USERS. SO I THOUGHT IT WAS PROBABLY ON THE HIGHER END OF PARTICIPATION. SO WE WOULD WE'RE OUR PLAN IS TO STAY WITH THE SAME PROCEDURE WHERE WE'RE HAVING THE PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE. WE'RE ALSO PUTTING THE INFORMATION ON THE LET'S TALK BLOOMINGTON PAGE AND ALLOWING OPPORTUNITIES FOR COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS THROUGH THAT AS WELL. BUT WE ARE CERTAINLY OPEN TO MORE SUGGESTIONS IF YOU HAVE SOME IF I MAY I KNOW I HAVE MAKE COMMENTS IN REGARDS TO MAKING THE COMMENTS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND I KNOW THE CITY DOES AN AMAZING JOB IN PROVIDING WAYS TO THE PUBLIC SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN PARTICIPATE IN THIS SURVEYS. HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF OLDER GENERATION PEOPLE THAT DON'T SEEM TO FIND IT EASY AS EASY AS IT IS TO SCAN A PHONE OR A QR CODE ON A PHONE OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. FOR SOME PEOPLE THAT'S EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. IT ONLY MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO PARTICIPATE. SO I WOULD SUGGEST WE COME UP WITH SOME OLD FASHIONED WAYS OF PROVIDING THE ENTIRE POPULATION A WAY TO PARTICIPATE IN THESE SURVEYS. I KNOW IT'S NOT EASY. IT'S NOT CHEAP BUT I MEAN I'VE I FIND IT YOU KNOW, FROM 1080 YOU KNOW, YOU FIND IT ENCOURAGING ACTUALLY LOOK FROM A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW 25 ONLY MAKE COMMENTS IS IT'S KIND OF DETRIMENT IN MY POINT OF VIEW BUT THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER CARTER THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO WAS IT ONLY 35 OR YOU SAID THE OPEN HOUSE HAD MORE, RIGHT? CORRECT. WE HAD ABOUT 80 PEOPLE AT THE OPEN HOUSE AND WE HAD OPPORTUNITIES TO LEAVE COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, ON ON ALL OF THE BOARDS AT THAT LOCATION AND INTERACT WITH I THINK FIVE STAFF MEMBERS WERE THERE AS WELL. SO WE DID, YOU KNOW, HAVE CONVERSATIONS AND HAVE HEARD FROM A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND WE CAN COMBINE COMPILE ALL THOSE COMMENTS AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE ALL PROVIDED TO THE COUNCIL AS WELL. AND DID YOU DO MAILERS TO THE SURROUNDING JUST LIKE WE DID ACTUALLY, YEAH, WE COVERED A PRETTY LARGE AREA. OUR MAILING INCLUDED 4000 ADDRESSES SO IT WAS EXCUSE ME AT LEAST A HALF MILE ON EACH SIDE OF BLOOMINGTON FERRY ROAD ALONG THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR. SO YOU SENT MAILERS TO 4000 HOUSES? YEAH. OKAY. SO THERE WAS ALSO THE MAILER COMPONENT THAT WASN'T ON THE SLIDE SO. OKAY. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'LL DO THE SAME FOR THE FUTURE OPEN HOUSES CORRECT? YEAH I, I THINK THIS WAS A THIS HAS BEEN GREAT. I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S ON IT AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT THAT FURTHER COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND INPUT LOOKS LIKE. THE ONLY OTHER THING I COULD THINK OF THAT MAY BE MISSING IS JUST THAT YOU KNOW AS WE'VE EXPANDED CREATIVE PLACEMAKING TO BE CITYWIDE THAT THIS MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS ALONG THE CORRIDOR IN SOME KIND OF WAYS. I'M NOT TALKING LIKE THINKING ABOUT THE FISCAL IMPACT NOT ANYTHING CRAZY BUT WHERE WE CAN, YOU KNOW, PAINT UTILITY BOXES AND DO OTHER CUTE THINGS LIKE THAT I THINK WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE CORRIDOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN. THANK YOU, MAYOR. IT'S ALWAYS DIFFICULT TO GET FOLKS TO TURN OUT. YOU MIGHT GET, YOU KNOW, 55 AND THEN YOU WANT 100 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO MAYBE YOU DON'T WANT ONE FORMER PERSON WHO USED TO SIT UP USED TO SAY PUT A YOU KNOW, PUT A TRACTOR OUT THERE, DO SOME CONSTRUCTION AND NOT GET YOU GET A BIG TURNOUT. SO SO IT ALL DEPENDS ON KIND OF YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. SO YOU KNOW AND I MENTIONED THIS WHEN I WAS AT THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION WE LOOK AT THOSE CORE KIND OF ELEMENTS, YOU KNOW YOU KNOW YOU KNOW WHEN WE LOOK AT THE STREET ITSELF I MEAN AND IT KIND OF GOES WITHOUT SAYING BUT YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF SAY OKAY, YOU GOT ENHANCING PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS AND I KNOW FROM THE PERSPECTIVE BY WHICH THAT THIS BODY KIND OF ASKS THE QUESTION I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE THAT OVERALL SENSE OF YOU KNOW, IF WE WERE TO HIT 100% IN ALL FIVE OF THESE AREAS, WHAT ARE THE RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES THINK ABOUT THIS OVERALL PROJECT AS WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT IT SO WE DON'T LOSE SIGHT OF THAT. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF MY MAIN CONCERNS. YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY IF YOU'RE HITTING ALL THESE WE WOULD ASSUME THAT WOULD HAPPEN. BUT YOU KNOW SOMETIMES THOSE THINGS GET MISSED, YOU KNOW WHEN YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT THAT AS A AS AN INDEPENDENT KIND OF THING. SO JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AS AN OVERALL GOAL. WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS RESIDENT SATISFACTION OR BUSINESS SATISFACTION IN TERMS OF MOVING THROUGH THAT CORRIDOR. SO THEN AS WE KIND OF LOOK AT THIS YOU KNOW YOU KNOW THE MAYOR MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CAPITAL EXPENSES ARE ONE OF THE THOUGHTS THAT KIND OF CAME TO MY MIND IS I WANTED TO GO THROUGH THIS EXERCISE BECAUSE I THINK WE ALWAYS TALK ABOUT MAKING OUR ROADWAYS MORE SUSTAINABLE AND WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO KIND OF DO THIS. AND I THINK THIS LOOKS GREAT AND I LOVE IT BUT WHAT SCARES ME IS SOMETIMES THE COST OF DOING THESE THINGS. AND SO MY QUESTION IS STILL LOOKING FOR A RESPONSE TODAY HOW REPLICABLE IS THIS? YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT YOU KNOW, THIS THE SMALLER AREA, MAYBE THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR BUT IF WE TRY TO MOVE FROM CORRIDOR TO ANOTHER CORRIDOR TRY TO DO THIS, WHAT DOES THAT WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? IS THERE A WAY TO COMBINE THESE THINGS TOGETHER? YOU KNOW, ARE THERE OTHER AREAS WHERE WE COULD DO THIS TOGETHER TO MAKE IT MORE COST EFFECTIVE? SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'M KIND OF THINKING ABOUT AS I KIND OF KIND OF WORK WORK THROUGH THIS AREA. I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE HERE IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSING PIECE BUT I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT IF YOU PUT HOUSING IN THAT AREA WHEN WE INCREASE FLOODING OR MAKE A FLOODING PROBLEM. SO I WANT TO WANT TO BE CAREFUL OF THAT. BUT IF THERE'S SOME WAY TO KIND OF TACKLE BOTH, I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT. I REALLY LIKE THAT IDEA. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. AND THEN I GUESS FINALLY, YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK THROUGHOUT ALL OF THIS THIS PROJECT AND WHEN WE GET IT DONE, I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING TO THE LONG TERM JUST MAKING SURE THAT WHATEVER WE DO OR WHATEVER WE CRAFT WITH THESE THESE CORE OBJECTIVES AND WHATEVER WE DO WITH THIS CORRIDOR THAT WE'RE JUST KIND OF BEING REALLY MINDFUL OF NOT ONLY JUST THAT CORRIDOR BUT THE THINGS THAT CONNECT INTO THAT CORRIDOR AND WHAT THE IMPACT IS OF CHANGING THAT OR MAKING REDUCTIONS THERE SO LOVE WHAT WHAT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING KIND OF YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT HAPPENS KIND OF GOING FORWARD BUT AT SOME POINT WE GOT TO START TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH THIS COST AND THAT WAS KIND OF SCARY WHEN WE ORIGINALLY CAME INTO THIS. SO I'D LIKE TO GET BACK TO THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO APPRECIATE IT. LET'S REMEMBER ALEXANDRA, THANK YOU SO REAL IF YOU DON'T MIND ME MY COMMENTS NOW SO SO ANY PROJECT GOALS THAT I THINK THAT YOU'VE MISSED? I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK THAT I THINK THAT ONE OF THE ONE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT MAYBE WE COULD ARTICULATE WOULD BE THE THE WAY THAT IT BENEFITS THE CITY RIGHT? SO THERE'S LOTS OF WAYS THAT IT COULD BENEFIT THE CITY FROM FROM ALL OF YOUR ITEMS HERE. SO AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE IDEA BEING SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE SPECIFIC WAYS THAT THESE THINGS WILL HAPPEN AS OPPOSED TO LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO HAPPEN, IT'S LIKE NO, NO, WE EXPECT TO REDUCE X BY 10%. WE REDUCE Y BY 5% WHATEVER. SO GETTING KIND OF SPECIFIC ABOUT THAT IS POSSIBLE AND AND THEN IN TERMS OF TREATMENTS OR DESIGN ELEMENTS, I'M A FAN OF THE IDEA OF USING THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO TO BE FORWARD THINKING ABOUT SOME OF THE NEW MATERIALS THAT ARE OUT THERE FOR ROAD PAVEMENT AND EVERYTHING WHEN I HAVE YOU KNOW MY I HAVE BEEN FOR A LONG TIME ON COUNCIL HERE SPEAKING ABOUT THE IDEA OF TRYING TO CUT THE COST OF OUR OF OUR ROAD MAINTENANCE AND WE WE HAVE GOTTEN REALLY GOOD AT THAT. WE WE KNOW WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE'VE SQUEEZED AS MUCH YOU KNOW WATER OUT OF THE PUMP PROGRAM AS WE PROBABLY CAN IN TERMS OF ANY KIND OF BLOAT THERE WHICH I THINK IS WONDERFUL. YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB SO I'M OFF THAT HOBBYHORSE NOW AND I'M ON A DIFFERENT ONE I GUESS WHICH IS I THINK WHERE WE GO NEXT IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES FOR ROAD MAINTENANCE IS IN THESE NEW MATERIALS AND EVEN THE CONVERSATION I HAD DURING OUR OUR WALK THROUGH OF OF ALL OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR POTENTIALLY LOOKING AT THAT SO I'D LOVE TO KNOW IF WE ARE PLANNING ON MAKING A TAKING AND USING A PARTICULAR YOU KNOW SURFACE OR ARE MAKING SOME INTERESTING RECYCLABLE USE DECISIONS LIKE SOME OF THE PULVERIZED CONCRETE AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT YOU SEE BEING USED IN SUSTAINABILITY INITIATIVES THAT MIGHT BE GOOD FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. SO I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT. AND THEN AGAIN HOW THAT IS OFFSETTING NOT JUST OUR OUR SUSTAINABILITY GOALS BUT ALSO FOR THE COST MAINTENANCE OVER TIME. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE THE WIDTH OF THE ROAD THAT ROAD MAINTENANCE ITSELF BECOMES LESS EXPENSIVE WHICH IS GREAT. THAT'S OFFSET TO SOME DEGREE LIKE MR. MARE SAID WITH THE COST OF THE THINGS THAT ARE WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN PLACE WHETHER THAT'S PARKS OR BOAT YOU KNOW BICYCLE STUFF OR WHATEVER. SO THE OTHER AREA OF OF OPPORTUNITY FOR US IS TO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S A NET POSITIVE RIGHT THAT ULTIMATELY REGARDLESS OF THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE, HOW CLOSE ARE WE GETTING TO A NET POSITIVE BENEFIT TO THE CITY ON A COST BASIS? AND SO I'D REALLY LOVE TO SEE THAT AND THEN LASTLY THE AREA WHERE I THINK THAT I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME EXPLORATION WOULD BE YOU KNOW IF IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO IN THAT AREA BECAUSE YOU KNOW THAT'S THAT'S AN AREA OF THE CITY THAT'S IT'S KIND OF AN INTERESTING AREA. RIGHT? YOU HAVE SO MUCH HAPPENING AT HIGHLAND AND THEN YOU HAVE DRED SCOTT AND THOSE ARE LIKE TWO BIG PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CONGREGATE AND SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND THEN YOU KIND OF GO BETWEEN THOSE TWO AND NOT REALLY DO ANYTHING IN THEM. THERE'S A COUPLE OF PARKS OF COURSE AND ONE I KNOW THERE'S A PARK ACROSS LONG BLOOMINGTON FERRY BUT BUT UNDERSTANDING AND INCORPORATING SOME OF MAYBE THE PARKS MASTER PLAN IDEAS IS BECAUSE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE DOES THAT PARTICULAR I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE PARK THAT'S ALONG THERE FORGIVE ME IT STARTS WITH THE SEA COUNTRY SO COUNTRYSIDE PARK THANK YOU. IS THAT IS THIS COUNTRY PARK GENERALLY PARK GET ELEVATED AS A PLACE FOR US TO LOOK TO DO SOME OF OUR MARKS A PARK'S MASTER PLAN WORK BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING THIS CHANGE TO SO TRYING TO TO COMBINE THE STRATEGIC INITIATIVES OF THE OF THE CITY A LITTLE BIT TO SAY YOU KNOW CAN WE CAN WE DO SOMETHING WE MAYBE WEREN'T THINKING OF COUNTRYSIDE PARK FOR THIS BUT MAYBE COUNTRYSIDE PARK BECOMES A BETTER PLACE TO DO THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS NEW THIS NEW PLAN FOR THE AREA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCILOR, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE TO BRING TO THIS CONVERSATION? COUNCIL MEMBER KNOWING THAT WE'RE PUSHING 50 MINUTES ON OUR FIRST ITEM TONIGHT AND WE STILL HAVE TWO MORE TO GO AND I'LL BE VERY BRIEF PLEASE. ROUNDABOUTS I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING THOSE ACTUALLY GO FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT STEPS? YEAH, NEXT STEPS. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE MEETING HERE AS A TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE NEXT MONDAY. I'M GOING OVER EVERYTHING WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMISSIONERS FROM CITY COUNCIL HERE TONIGHT AND THEN PRESENTING CROSS-SECTIONS. SO A RANGE OF CROSS-SECTIONS OF WHAT THE ROADWAY COULD BE. I'M GATHERING INPUT ON THOSE CAN GO THROUGH A PRELIMINARY SCREENING TO NARROW THAT DOWN TO THREE ALTERNATIVES TO CARRY FORWARD AND SEE WHAT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR . SO AUGUST YOU MEAN A PRETTY BUSY MONTH HERE IN TERMS OF EVALUATION OF ALTERNATIVES DEVELOPING THEM SEPTEMBER GOING BACK OUT TO THE PUBLIC TO PRESENT THEM, GATHER THEIR INPUTS AND THEN ULTIMATELY SCREEN THEM AGAINST ALL THE CRITERIA WE HAVE DEVELOPED THE GOALS AND THEN PRESENT THEM BACK OUT TO THE PLANNING SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION CITY COUNCIL FOR FOR INPUT AND THEN RECOMMENDATION OF THE ALTERNATIVE TO MOVE FORWARD. VERY GOOD. APPRECIATE ALL THE INPUT TONIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCIL. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU MUCH APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. THANKS. SECOND ITEM ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT IS ITEM 5.2 DISCUSSION ITEM REGARDING SOLID WASTE RATES . LAURA HORNER OUR SOLID WASTE PROGRAM COORDINATOR IS HERE. SCOTT ANDERSON, WELCOME. THANK YOU. MAYOR CITY COUNCIL GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS LAURA HORNER. I'M THE CITY SOLID WASTE PROGRAM COORDINATOR AND I'M JOINED THIS EVENING BY SCOTT ANDERSON, OUR UTILITY SUPERINTENDENT AND ALSO JOINED BY DR. LISA SCHOOL WATSON AND GIBBS WHO ARE JOINING US VIRTUALLY THIS EVENING WITH SCOTT'S ECONOMIC RESEARCH ASSOCIATES AND WE'LL REFER TO THEM AS SARAH TONIGHT FOR FOUR SHORT. OKAY. SO I'VE GOT THIS TOO. SO WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING TO SEEK COUNCIL DIRECTION ON OUR PROPOSED 2026 SOLID WASTE RATE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT INCLUDE A STRONGER FINANCIAL INCENTIVE BETWEEN GARBAGE CART SIZES AS WELL AS THE ADDITION OF THE EVERY OTHER WEEK SMALL GARBAGE CART SERVICE LEVEL. AND AS YOU'LL RECALL LAST JUNE COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO BRING FORWARD AN ENHANCED PAY AS YOU THROW RATES FOR CONSIDERATION FOR 2026 AND THE GOAL OF THESE PAY AS YOU THROW RATES IS TO ENCOURAGE WASTE REDUCTION BY STRENGTHENING THAT FINANCIAL INCENTIVE TO CHOOSE A SMALLER GARBAGE CART SIZE SO THE APPROACH SUPPORTS SEVERAL IMPORTANT OBJECTIVES. WE KNOW THAT AS GARBAGE DISPOSAL COSTS CONTINUE TO RISE SHARPLY, OUR AIM IS TO KEEP THOSE PRICES AFFORDABLE FOR OUR RESIDENTS BUT ALSO MOTIVATE MORE WASTE DIVERSION THROUGH RECYCLING, COMPOSTING AND JUST FOR SOME CONTEXT CURRENTLY OUR RESIDENTIAL GARBAGE IS PROCESSED AT THE HENNEPIN ENERGY RECOVERY CENTER HERC WHERE IT'S INCINERATED THE DISPOSAL COST AT HERC HAS RISEN FAIRLY SHARPLY IN JUST THE LAST FIVE YEARS BY 34% SO IT WAS $58 A TON IN 2019 AND $78 A TON IN 2024 AT THE SAME TIME LANDFILL DISPOSAL COSTS CONTINUE TO INCREASE SIGNIFICANTLY. I DROVE DRIVEN BY LIMITED LANDFILL SPACE IN CONVERSATIONS THAT COUNCIL HAS BEEN A PART OF THROUGH THE BURNSVILLE LANDFILLS AND ALTHOUGH RECYCLING AND ORGANICS PROCESSING COSTS HAVE ALSO INCREASED THEY INCREASE AT A SLOWER RATE THAN GARBAGE. THOSE SERVICES ALSO BENEFIT FROM NO TAXES AND THEY HELP TO REDUCE THE BURDEN THAT WE PUT ON THE WASTE TO ENERGY FACILITY. SO THAT COULD POTENTIALLY SLOW FUTURE INCREASES AT HERC AS WELL. I THINK WE'RE JUST GETTING OUR CONSULTANTS ONLINE. >> MY GUESS TO TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES YOU GOT ALL OF THEM BUT BUT SO IN SHORT IF WE CAN DESIGN A RATE STRUCTURE THAT ENCOURAGES RESIDENTS TO GENERATE LESS WASTE AND USE OUR RECYCLING AND ORGANICS PROGRAMS, WE CAN REALLY HELP GET TO OUR ENVIRONMENTAL GOALS AS WELL AS REDUCE LONG TERM COSTS FOR RESIDENTS. THE STRATEGY IS REALLY IN LINE WITH THE CITY'S STRATEGIC PRIORITIES AROUND SUSTAINABILITY AND WASTE REDUCTION OVER THE PAST YEARS . NOTABLY WE'VE ADDED CURBSIDE ORGANICS RECYCLING SO THIS DOES HELP RESIDENTS REALLY DIVERT MORE OF THEIR TRASH. FINALLY, WE'VE HEARD FROM BOTH COUNCIL AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS A DESIRE TO REFLECT LOWER WASTE GENERATION IN OUR RATE STRUCTURE. SO THIS INCLUDES THOSE HOUSEHOLDS THAT ARE ZERO WASTE HOURS, SMALLER HOUSEHOLDS AND RESIDENTS THAT ARE ON FIXED INCOMES WHO JUST PRODUCE VERY LITTLE TRASH. SO THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS THAT A PAY AS YOU THROW RATE STRUCTURE HELPS US ACCOMPLISH . I'LL BRIEFLY REVIEW THE OUR BACKGROUND THE TIMELINE THAT'S BROUGHT US TO WHERE WE ARE AND FOR TONIGHT'S RECOMMENDATIONS I THINK AS WE GET THAT SLIDE UP I CAN START BUT JUST BRIEFLY THIS STARTED BACK IN 2023 THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION RECOMMENDED A REVIEW OF THE CITY'S SOLID WASTE RATE STRUCTURE TO BETTER SUPPORT WASTE REDUCTION AND DIVERSION THAN IN Q1 AND Q2 OF 2024 STAFF CONDUCTED A ROBUST SOLID WASTE RATE STUDY WITH SARAH THAT INCLUDED AN IN-DEPTH FIELD ANALYSIS OF WASTE GENERATION IN THE CARTS, RESIDENT SURVEYS, LISTENING SESSIONS AND A REVIEW OF CASE STUDIES AROUND THE COUNTRY. BASED ON THAT, SEVERAL DIFFERENT RATE SCENARIOS WERE DEVELOPED AND EVALUATED AND IN JUNE OF 2020 FOR THOSE WERE PRESENTED TO COUNCIL AND COUNCIL PROVIDED THAT INITIAL DIRECTION IN SUPPORT OF THE STRONGER INCENTIVE GARBAGE RATE MODEL THAT INCLUDED PURSUING THE EVERY OTHER WEEK GARBAGE SERVICE LEVEL FOR SMALL CARTS BEGINNING IN 2026. SO THEN IN Q3 AND Q OF 2024 WE ENTERED INTO OUR NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE HAULERS CONSORTIUM TO ALIGN THE CONTRACT TERMS WITH THE DIRECTION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM COUNCIL. I'LL NOTE THAT ONE OF THE BIG CHANGES IN THAT IS A TRANSITION TO DIRECT PAYMENT FOR OUR GARBAGE DISPOSAL WHICH REALLY INCREASES THE TRANSPARENCY AND IT ALLOWS US TO BETTER REFLECT OUR ACTUAL COSTS AND GARBAGE RATES. SO BASED ON THOSE NEGOTIATED TERMS IN Q ONE AND Q2 OF 2025 WE'VE UPDATED THOSE RATE RECOMMENDATIONS TO REFLECT THE DISPOSAL COSTS AND WE'VE WORKED WITH SARA TO PROVIDE US WITH SOME UPDATED RECOMMENDATIONS. AND JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO SARA, I WANTED TO JUST RUN THROUGH HOW WE CURRENTLY STRUCTURE OUR SOLID WASTE RATES SO UNDER OUR EXISTING SYSTEM THE GARBAGE RATES ARE REALLY BASED SOLELY ON THE PRICES THAT THE HAULERS CONSORTIUM CHARGES THE CITY FOR EACH CART SIZE PLUS THE TAXES AND FEES AND A SMALL FIXED ADMINISTRATIVE FEE THAT COVERS THE CITY'S ADMIN AND EDUCATION AND BILLING COSTS SO RESIDENTS CAN ALREADY CHOOSE BETWEEN A SMALL, MEDIUM AND LARGE GARBAGE CART AND THE PRICING DOES INCREASE A LITTLE BIT WITH EACH CART SIZE THAT'S PAY AS YOU THROW AND THAT'S ACTUALLY REQUIRED BY STATE LAW. HOWEVER, THE PRICE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CARTS IS RELATIVELY SMALL AND IT DOESN'T PROVIDE MUCH OF A FINANCIAL INCENTIVE IF ANY TO REALLY DIVERT WASTE OR DOWNSIZE YOUR CARTS AND QUICKLY WHEN IT COMES TO RECYCLING AND ORGANICS, NOT ALL RESIDENTS PAY THAT SAME RATE REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH THEY PUT IN THEIR RECYCLING ORGANICS OR IF THEY USE THE SERVICES. AND THAT STATE STATUTE REQUIRES RESIDENTS WHO RECYCLE CAN'T BE CHARGED MORE THAN THOSE WHO DON'T. SO THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW SO WITH THESE RATE RECOMMENDATIONS OUR GOAL HAS BEEN TO TRY TO RECAP THAT PAY AS YOU THROW MODEL TO OFFER THAT STRONGER RATE INCENTIVE AND THE CHALLENGE IS FINDING THE SWEET SPOT SO THE RATES ARE HIGH ENOUGH TO ENCOURAGE THE REDUCTION BUT STILL GENERATE THE REVENUE THAT WE NEED TO RUN OUR PROGRAMS SO WE AGAIN AS I'VE MENTIONED ARE WORKING WITH SARA TO UPDATE THOSE RATES AND I THAT TEAM INCLUDES DR. LISA SCHOOL MOTS AND ANNE GIBBS AND DR. SCHOOL MATS IS THE NATION'S LEADING EXPERT ON PAY AS YOU THROW SYSTEMS SHE'S CONSULTED WITH THE U.S. EPA FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND SHE'S WORKED WITH DOZENS OF CITIES NATIONWIDE ON SOLID WASTE RATE STRUCTURES. SO AT THIS POINT I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO DR. SCOTT'S AND SHE WILL PROVIDE JUST A BRIEF REFRESHER ON THE PAY AS YOU THROW RATE STRUCTURE AND PRESENT THOSE UPDATED RATE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION THIS EVENING. GOOD EVENING DR. SCHOOL AS YOU HEAR ME WELCOME. GOOD EVENING. YOU CAN HEAR ME? YES WE CAN. OKAY GREAT. THANK YOU. WELL, THANKS VERY MUCH, MS.. MS. HORNER, MR. ANDERSON MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY COLLEAGUE AND GIBSON ARE HERE TO DISCUSS THE WORK WE'VE BEEN DOING ON BLOOMINGTON'S UPDATED PAY AS YOU THROW RATES. OKAY. THE NEXT SLIDE TELLS YOU THAT SOME BACKGROUND ON WHY WE'RE PURSUING MORE ENHANCED PAY AS YOU THROW INCENTIVES IT'S BECAUSE THE CITY HAS A STRONG INTEREST IN REDUCING WASTE AND INCREASING RECYCLING AND ORGANICS COLLECTION AND STUDIES AROUND THE COUNTRY SHOW THAT THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE METHOD TO INCREASE DIVERSION IS PAY AS YOU THROW. IT'S SIMPLY A CHANGE IN RATE INCENTIVES AND BILLING BUT IT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY NEW TRUCKS AND IT'S ALSO REQUIRED IN THE STATE. WHAT ABOUT PAY AS YOU THROW IT? WELL WHY IS IT SO COST EFFECTIVE AND SO EFFECTIVE? WELL HOW IT WORKS IS VIA THE BASIC PRINCIPLE THAT YOU GET A HIGHER BILL IF YOU USE MORE TRASH SERVICE MUCH LIKE YOU HAVE A HIGHER BILL IF YOU USE MORE ELECTRICITY OR GAS OR WATER OR SO ON, IT PROVIDES AN INCENTIVE TO REDUCE AND DIVERT MATERIALS TO BE ABLE TO USE A SMALLER, LESS EXPENSIVE CAN AND IT'S A CHANGE IN BILLING AND WITH YOU KNOW THAT THAT SUPPORTS THE SERVICES YOU ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE AND UNLIKE RECYCLING IT ENCOURAGES REDUCTION BEYOND RECYCLING IT ENCOURAGES THREE EFFECTS IN THE MIDDLE SLIDE WE SEE THAT THE TOTAL THREE EFFECTS IS ACTUALLY A REDUCTION OF 17% LESS GOING TO THE LANDFILL. THAT IS A THIRD OF THAT GOES TO RECYCLING A THIRD OF IT TO ORGANICS, A THIRD OF THE SOURCE REDUCTION AND THAT IS BECAUSE PAGE THROW DOES NOT JUST ENCOURAGE ANY ONE OF THOSE BUT IT SAYS WHATEVER LEGITIMATE THING YOU CAN DO TO REDUCE WHAT'S IN YOUR TRASH CAN YOU GET A REWARD FOR THAT? IT ENCOURAGES ALL OF THOSE THREE BEHAVIORS. >> THE ANALYSIS SHOWS THAT IT IS THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE MORE THAN 15 DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT CITIES MIGHT UNDERTAKE OPTIONS LIKE COLLECTION FREQUENCY CHANGES SEPARATE VERSUS COMBINED YOU KNOW RECYCLING PROGRAMS AND ADDING NEW MATERIALS TO RECYCLING BANS OR MANDATES OR OTHER CHANGES. PAY AS YOU THROW IS THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE WAY TO GET ADDITIONAL DIVERSION. NOW IT'S NOT JUST YOU CHANGE RATES AND MAGICALLY THINGS HAPPEN. YOU NEED TO DO THE BEST PRACTICE KIND OF WAY. ONE IS THAT THE RATES NEED TO BE SUFFICIENTLY STRONG. IF YOU HAVE A RATE INCENTIVE THAT'S TOO LOW THEN PEOPLE WILL JUST CONTINUE TO OVERSUBSCRIBED. IT'S ALMOST LIKE HAVING YOU KNOW IF YOU IF YOU CHARGE JUST $2 OR MORE FOR A SECOND CAN PEOPLE WON'T MAKE THAT CHANGE IF YOU CHARGE IT TURNS OUT TO BE SOMEWHERE ON THE ORDER OF $5 MORE FOR THAT NEXT CAN SIZE PEOPLE DO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT AND CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR THAT ALSO WORKS OUT TO ABOUT 50 TO 80% MORE FOR TWICE AS MUCH SERVICE YOU DON'T WE FIND THAT PEOPLE DON'T PAY ATTENTION IF IT'S LESS THAN ABOUT 50% MORE COSTLY FOR TWICE AS MUCH SERVICE. THAT IS A MOVE FROM SAY A 30 GALLON CAN TO A 60 GALLON CAN BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHARGE DOUBLE EITHER EVEN THOUGH IT'S TWICE AS MUCH SERVICE YOU GET ABOUT THE SAME EFFECT IF YOU CHARGE ABOUT 80% MORE. SO THERE'S A SWEET SPOT AS LAURA WAS TALKING ABOUT. YOU ALSO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE CONVENIENT RECYCLING OPPORTUNITIES. YOU DON'T WANT TO CHARGE PEOPLE MORE FOR MORE TRASH AND THEN SAY, YOU KNOW, FIND SOMEPLACE TO PUT IT OR ILLEGALLY DUMP YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE CONVENIENT OPTIONS FOR RECYCLING AND DIVERSION YOU ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S SERVICE LEVEL OPTIONS FOR SMALL DISCLOSURES IF PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY GONE DOWN TO THE SAY THE 3035 GALLON OR 30 GALLON, CAN CAN WE PROVIDE SOME OPTIONS FOR THOSE WHO ARE EVEN WILLING TO DO MORE? AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S AN ITEM IN OUR IN OUR RECOMMENDATION HERE YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE MINIMUM BARRIERS TO RECYCLING INTO DIVERSION AND THERE'S REALLY STRONG OUTREACH AND EXPLANATION OF HOW THE PROGRAM AND SYSTEM CAN WORK FOR CUSTOMERS. AND THEN OF COURSE YOU ALWAYS WANT TO HAVE AN EVALUATION OF SUCCESS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CONTINUE TO REFINE THE PROGRAM SO IT'S BETTER AND BETTER BLOOMINGTON'S CURRENT SOLID WASTE PROGRAM IS ALREADY A STRONG PROGRAM. YOU ALREADY HAVE CASE YOU THROW YOU'RE NOT STARTING FROM GROUND ZERO. YOU HAVE STRONG AND OPTIMIZED DIVERSION PROGRAMS AND MANAGEMENT OPTIONS SO YOU ALREADY HAVE RECYCLING, YOU ALREADY HAVE YARD WASTE, YOU ALREADY HAVE FOOD WASTE SO IT'S REALLY WELL MANAGED SYSTEM AND YOU HAVE THOSE OPTIONS READY TO BE USED AND IF A NETWORK OF QUALITY SUPPORTING SERVICES LIKE LIKE YOUR CLEAN UPS AND SO ON AND YOU HAVE VERY STRONG ENGAGEMENT A REAL FOCUS AND THAT THE CONCLUSION TO US IS IT'S YOUR SYSTEM IS RIPE AND READY TO BE REFINED. THE THINGS THAT WE CONSIDER DOING WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FACT THAT YOU CURRENT PACE YOU THROW INCENTIVE IS ONLY ABOUT $4 EXTRA FOR US FOR TWICE AS MUCH SERVICE OR ONLY 18 TO 34% MORE FOR TWICE THE GARBAGE VOLUME YOU HAVE YOU DO HAVE INTEGRATED SERVICES AND CHARGES AND A FIXED FEE BUT FIXED FEES CAN MAKE THINGS CAN MUTE THAT THAT INCENTIVE BUT WE'VE PULLED THE GARBAGE OUT AND CAN SHOW YOU THAT THAT THAT GARBAGE SERVICE IS GETTING AS STRONG INCENTIVE WE ARE PROPOSING INTRODUCING A SECOND OF A SMALLER SERVICE OPTION WHICH IS EVERY OTHER WEEK OF THE SMALL SMALL GARBAGE CAN SERVICE AND WE THINK THAT THIS NEW SYSTEM WILL LEAD TO A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN DIVERSION. NOW IT'S NOT THAT WE DIDN'T WE ALSO DID A LOT OF LOCAL DATA COLLECTION AND TAILORED MODELING FOR BLOOMINGTON. WE DID A SET OUT SURVEY GOING OUT AND INSPECTING HOW FULL PEOPLE'S CANS WERE AND HOW HOW MUCH THEY WERE RECYCLING AND ALSO A CUSTOMER WEB SURVEY SO THAT PEOPLE COULD RESPOND ON SOME OF THEIR PREFERENCES. THE RESULTS OF THAT SURVEY FOUND THAT GARBAGE CARTS ARE ONLY ABOUT HALF FULL NOW SO PEOPLE ARE OVER SUBSCRIBING THEIR SUPPORT. THEY HAVE THEY CURRENTLY HAVE A CAN THAT IS BIGGER THAN WHAT THEY NEED TO USE THE SURVEY ALSO SHOWED THERE WAS A SUBSTANTIAL WILLINGNESS BY CUSTOMERS AND ABILITY FOR THEM TO DIVERT MORE FOOD AND YARD WASTE AND EVERY OTHER WEEK GARBAGE WAS ACCEPTABLE TO HOUSEHOLDS. >> WE THE MODELING ALSO TOOK INTO ACCOUNT YOUR UPDATED CONTRACT CITY CONTRACT AND CITY SERVICES AND COST STRUCTURE AND WE USED THIS INFORMATION TO MODEL THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF MORE RECYCLING AND DIVERSION FROM YOUR FROM INCENTIVIZED RATES. THE INCENTIVIZED RATES HAVE THREE COMPONENTS TO FIGURING OUT HOW MUCH THOSE RATES NEED TO BE. WHAT ARE YOUR NEW COSTS? WHAT CANS WILL PEOPLE SUBSCRIBE TO SMALL, MEDIUM AND LARGE AND WHAT INCENTIVE LEVELS DO YOU WANT TO PLACE IN THAT 50 TO 70% OF SWEET SPOT AND THAT'S SET BY POLICY. NEXT SLIDE. >> SO WHAT WILL TAKE A MINUTE ON THIS SLIDE BECAUSE THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT COMPLICATED AND HERE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS HOW DO WE FIGURE OUT HOW MANY CUSTOMERS ARE GOING TO SIGN UP FOR WHICH SIZE OF CAN THAT'S A REALLY CRITICAL PART IN THE EQUATION TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE NEW RATES ARE. THE LEFT HAND BARS ARE THE CURRENT SUBSCRIPTION AND THE GREEN IS CURRENT IS THE 35 GALLON CART THAT PEOPLE GET NOW OR THEY CHOOSE THE 65 GALLON CART WHICH IS THE BLUE AND THE PURPLE IS THE 96 GALLON CART. YOU CAN SEE YOU KNOW THEY'RE NOT EXACTLY EVEN THERE ARE SOME FEWER ON THE 35 GALLON THAN ON THE LARGER CARTS BUT YOU GET SOME IDEA OF THAT OF THAT DISTRIBUTION AS I NOTED THOUGH THAT PEOPLE ARE SUBSCRIBED ABOUT 50% MORE SERVICE THAN THEY ACTUALLY ARE USING. SO CURRENT CURRENT USE SHOWS THAT CURRENT USAGE COLUMN THE SECOND ONE FROM THE LEFT SHOWS THE WHAT CUSTOMERS ARE CURRENTLY THAT THEY CURRENTLY SUBSCRIBE TO MORE SERVICE VOLUME THAN THEY'RE USING AND SO IN FACT A GOOD CHUNK OF PEOPLE UNDER THE CURRENT SYSTEM COULD BE SUBSCRIBED TO IT EVERY OTHER WEEK 35 GALLON CAN THAT ORANGE AT THE BOTTOM OR SOME OF THOSE 65 COULD BE AT 35 AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO WHAT THEY'RE REALLY USING INSTEAD OF 2.2 AVERAGE CANS IS REALLY THEY'RE ONLY USING ABOUT 1.7 AVERAGE CANS. SO EVEN WITH NO CHANGE PEOPLE COULD RIGHT SIZE OR MOVE TO THAT SUBSCRIPTION LEVEL THAT'S DESCRIBED UNDER CURRENT USAGE . >> IN OUR PROJECTIONS WE LOOKED AT HOW MUCH COULD PEOPLE REDUCE IF WE PUT IN NEW CARDS AND WE THINK THAT THEY COULD REDUCE SOMETHING LIKE 15% OF THE TONNAGE THAT THEY'RE PUTTING OUT NOW AND ALSO WHAT COULD THEY DO? THERE'S SORT OF TWO EFFECTS. ONE IS THAT FULL DIVERSION 15% MORE AND THEN COMPACTION THEY CAN SQUISH THEIR STUFF INTO THE CARTS TO GET IT INTO SMALLER CARTS AS WELL. IF WE ASSUME THAT WHOLE STRONG REACTION WITH THE MATH AND THE COMPACTION AND SO ON, WE GET THAT THIRD COLUMN WHICH SHOWS A FAIR NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THAT 35 EVERY OTHER WEEK ORANGE BAR AS WELL AS YOU KNOW WHAT NOT FEWER THAN WE START OUT WITH IN THAT 9095 GALLON CART BUT THAT'S STILL NOT ALL OF IT WE LIKE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS OUR EXPECTED REACTION BECAUSE THAT THE THE STRONG REACTION IS, YOU KNOW, FULLY FULLY COMPACTING AND REDUCING 15%. BUT WE KNOW THAT FROM PSYCHOLOGY PEOPLE AREN'T AREN'T ALWAYS THAT EXCITED ABOUT GOING TO EVERY OTHER WEEK TRASH COLLECTION THEY'VE BEEN USING WEEKLY TRASH COLLECTION FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND THEY'RE A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT IT. SO WE TEND NOT TO SEE PEOPLE TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF THAT. WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE SUBSCRIPTIONS THAT WE FOUND IN OTHER TOWNS IN THE REGION AND IN THAT CASE WE FOUND THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE BALANCE BETWEEN THE BLUE AND THE GREEN THAN THAN MIGHT BE EXPECTED FROM PURE MATH. SO PEOPLE ARE PAYING A LITTLE BIT MORE CIRCUMSPECT ABOUT GOING DOWN TO LOWER CANS BECAUSE WHAT IF WE HAD THAT PARTY? WHAT ABOUT CHRISTMAS TIME, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THEY LIKE TO TAKE THEY'D LIKE TO BE A LITTLE BIT CONSERVATIVE. SO WHAT WE USED WAS THE EXPECTED REACTION IN CONDUCTING OUR RATES CALCULATE ACTIONS IF IT TURNS OUT THAT YOU KNOW THERE IS SOME REVENUE RISK TO THAT IF WE ASSUME THAT YOU KNOW SOME OF THOSE LARGE CANS ARE IN A SENSE SUBSIDIZING SOME OF THE SMALLER CANS, WE DON'T HAVE WHAT WE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO COVER THAT AND WE SET RATES BASED ON THAT CAN SIZE DISTRIBUTION. BUT IF IN FACT PEOPLE WERE REALLY AGGRESSIVE AND THEY GO OH YEAH, LET'S GO DOWN THAT NO RACE TO THE BOTTOM AND GET THOSE EVERY OTHER WEEK CARTS AND SO ON THEN WE DO RUN A LITTLE BIT OF REVENUE RISK IF SUBSCRIPTION RATES ACTUALLY IN THE REAL WORLD TURN OUT TO BE TOWARDS A STRONGER REACTION LINE WE WOULD HAVE A RISK OF ABOUT $350,000 A YEAR. THAT'S ABOUT 100 $1.31 PER HOUSEHOLD PER MONTH. BUT THE STATE BUT WE'VE WORKED WITH THE CITY AND THERE IS CAPITAL RESERVE AVAILABLE TO OFFSET THAT IF THAT RISK WAS TO OCCUR, WE DO EXPECT THAT LAST LAST BAR. BUT WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT KIND OF RISKY THAT YOU KNOW, WE WANTED TO DO DUE DILIGENCE AND LOOK AT WHAT REVENUE RISKS COULD COULD EVOLVE LIKE SO THE WHAT WE'VE GOT ON THIS SLIDE IS A COMPARISON OF THE NEW RATES WHICH ARE IN THE SECOND SECOND COLUMN OF NUMBERS WHICH IS $7.80 FOR A 35 GALLON, $10.41 FOR 35 1821 FOR 65 AND 2602 FOR 95 GALLONS. NOW YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE RATES ARE LOWER THAN THE PROJECTED 2026 RATES FOR THIS LOWER CANS AND HIGHER FOR THE HIGHER CANS. THAT'S THAT BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE AGGRESSIVE ABOUT THE RATE INCENTIVE TO TRY TO DRIVE PEOPLE TO TO BE MORE TO BE MORE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY RECYCLE AND GET STUFF OUT OF THE CAN IN A CONSISTENT WAY THAT ALLOWS THEM TO USE SMALLER CANS. THE RATE INCENTIVES ARE YOU KNOW, YOU PAY 75% MORE FOR THAT SECOND CAN THAT 3065 VERSUS THE 35 GALLON CAN AND YOU'LL NOTE THAT THE DOLLAR DIFFERENTIALS ARE NO LONGER ABOUT $4 BETWEEN THE 35 AND 6065 GALLON CANS BUT NOW THEY'RE CLOSER TO $8. SO PEOPLE ARE EXPECTED TO ACTUALLY MOVE MOVE TO THOSE LOWER CANS SIZES OVERALL AND WE ALSO SHOW HERE SO YOU SEE THAT THE RATES THEMSELVES GO DOWN FOR THE LOWER CANS AND GO UP FOR THE HIGHER CANS. THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS YOU THAT IN FACT THE PEOPLE WILL NOT ALL BE SEEING THOSE KINDS OF RATE INCREASES AS THE FIRST ARROW ON THE LEFT SHOWS THAT YES, THERE'S A RATE INCREASE FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO STAY ON THE SAME SIZE CAN IF YOU'RE ON A 95 GALLON CAN AND YOU REFUSE TO MOVE TO A SMALLER TWO AND IF YOU REALLY DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO MOVE TO A SMALLER CAN, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY 32% MORE THAN YOU DO UNDER THE 2026 PROJECTED RATES. BUT IF YOU DO MOVE FROM A 95 TO A 65 LOOK AT THAT SECOND THERE ON THE LEFT ACROSS YOU WILL ACTUALLY SAVE MONEY. YOU'LL SAVE 7.5% OR A BUCK AND A HALF A MONTH. SO IT'S PARTLY BASED ON RATES BUT IT'S ALSO THE BILL IS BASED ON BEHAVIOR AND AND CHOICES AND SO THE VAST MAJORITY OF HOUSEHOLDS CAN MAKE CHOICES THAT SAVE THEM MONEY. AND IN FACT WE DO EXPECT THAT THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD IN THE TOWN IN THE IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON WILL ACTUALLY SAVE A LITTLE BIT ON THEIR TRASH BILLS COMPARED TO WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE UNDER THE 2026 PROJECTED RATE WITH THIS NEW SYSTEM THERE ARE ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS OF COMMON QUESTIONS THAT COME UP. ONE OF THEM IS WOULD THIS INCREASE ILLEGAL DUMPING WITH YOU KNOW, WAS THERE TOO STRONG AN INCENTIVE AND MAKE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF GOING TO A SMALLER CAN SHOW THEIR FRUSTRATION BY ILLEGALLY DUMPING AND WHAT WE WE DID A SURVEY OF A THOUSAND HOUSEHOLDS AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT MOVED TO PAY AS YOU THROW RATES WE FOUND THAT IN THE VAST MAJORITY THERE WAS NO CHANGE IN ILLEGAL DUMPING. A HARD THING TO MEASURE I'LL GUARANTEE YOU. BUT THEY REPORTED THAT ONLY ABOUT 20% OF COMMUNITIES SAID THAT THERE WAS AN INCREASE IN ILLEGAL DUMPING AND EVERY ONE OF THEM SAID IT LASTED ABOUT THREE MONTHS AND THEN WENT AWAY. YOU ARE I WANT TO NOTE THAT YOUR EVERY OTHER WEEK RECYCLING YOU MIGHT SAY OH MAYBE WE COULD GET MORE RECYCLING IF WE WENT TO WEEKLY. BUT IN FACT I KNOW THAT THE SYSTEM IS EVERY OTHER WEEK RECYCLING AND I WOULD JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IS AN OPTIMIZED SYSTEM THAT IS LIKELY. THAT IS THE BEST SYSTEM I THINK NATIONALLY BEST PRACTICE BECAUSE IF YOU IF YOU WENT TO WEEKLY RECYCLING YOU WOULD GET MAYBE ONE TO 2 TO 3 PERCENTAGE POINTS MORE RECYCLING NOT A GREAT DEAL BUT IT WOULD ALMOST DOUBLE YOUR COSTS COST BENEFIT WISE IT'S WAY BETTER TO GO ABOUT TO GO THROUGH AND MAKE SURE YOU'RE OFFERING GOOD ORGANIC SERVICES AS WELL. YOUR SYSTEM IS OPTIMIZED IT EVERY OTHER WEEK WILL THIS INCREASE CONTAMINATION OF RECYCLING STREAMS? THERE'S NO CLEAR EVIDENCE OF THAT BUT I'LL NOTE THAT PAY AS YOU THROW GAINED GAINED POPULARITY AROUND THE SAME TIME THAT THE SORT OF SINGLE STREAM RECYCLING ALSO GAINED POPULARITY. THERE'S NOT A THERE'S NOT STRONG EVIDENCE OUT THERE THAT IT INCREASES CONTAMINATION. CONTAMINATION HAS BEEN AN ISSUE WITH AND WITHOUT PAY AS YOU THROW AND YOU ALREADY DO HAVE SOME LEVEL OF PAY AS YOU THROW. THIS IS MERELY A CHANGE IN AN INCREASE IN THE INCENTIVE. I DON'T SEE A STRONG REASON WHERE YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT SYSTEM IN PLACE THAT THERE WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN CONTAMINATION. THE NEXT TWO QUESTIONS ARE A LITTLE BIT INTERRELATED BUT WE LIKE TO KEEP THEM ALL SEPARATE . WHAT IS THE IMPACT ON LARGE FAMILY? YOU KNOW YOU'VE GOT THOSE LARGE CARTS BECOMING MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE AND WHAT IS THE IMPACT ON LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS? WELL, LET'S KEEP THEM SEPARATE BECAUSE PEOPLE KIND OF CONFLATE THEM IN THEIR MINDS BUT THEY ARE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES LOW YOU KNOW, LARGE FAMILIES IS YOU KNOW, THOSE FOLKS END UP PAYING MORE FOR MORE GROCERIES, MORE FOR MORE YOU KNOW, WATER USE FOR MORE SHOWERS. AND THE QUESTION IS REALLY HOW IS IT NOT IS IT FAIR FOR LARGE FAMILIES BUT IS IT FAIR FOR SMALL FAMILIES LIKE THESE SINGLE PERSON RETIREE TO PAY THE SAME OR TO PAY NEARLY THE SAME AS SOMEONE WHO PUTS OUT A LOT OF TRASH AND THEY PUT OUT A LITTLE BIT OF TRASH AND THEY RECYCLE A LOT IT'S REALLY RATHER THAN LOOK AT THE IMPACT ON LARGE FAMILIES, TURN THAT AROUND AND ALSO LOOK AT THE IMPACT ON SMALL DISPOSABLE THIS BECOMES SIGNIFICANTLY MORE FAIR TO SMALL DISPOSABLE AND GIVES THEM AN INCENTIVE AND GIVES THEM A REWARD FOR MAKING CHOICES THAT ARE IN LINE WITH THE POLICY YOU WANT. WHAT IS THE IMPACT ON LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS? WELL, A NUMBER OF ABOUT 10% OF THE COMMUNITIES AROUND THE NATION PUT IN LOW INCOME RATES UNDER THE FOR THESE KINDS OF SYSTEMS OR HAVE SPECIAL DISCOUNT. BUT CITIES, YOU KNOW, DO HAVE A LIFELINE OR SOMETHING. BUT REMEMBER THAT THESE LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS CAN ALSO REDUCE BY RECYCLING AND AND USING SMALLER CONTAINERS AS WELL. YOU ALSO HAD A STUDY ON THE RACIAL EQUITY IMPACT ASSESSMENT AND UTILITY BILL ASSISTANCE THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING AND THERE'S A UTILITIES RATE AFFORDABILITY TASK FORCE THAT'S UNDERTAKING A PHASE TWO STUDY OF PROGRAM IN 2026 THAT ALL ADDRESS THIS ISSUE WITH THOSE KINDS OF CONSIDERATION IN MIND. LAURA IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY MORE ABOUT THE LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS ISSUE? >> THANKS LISA. I THINK AS AS LISA MENTIONED, UTILITIES IS UNDERGOING A RATE AFFORDABILITY STUDY WITH THE U.S. WATER ALLIANCE. SO THAT'S A TASK FORCE THAT HAS COMPLETED ITS FIRST PHASE WHERE THEY DID SOME RESEARCH AND SURVEYED DIFFERENT COMMUNITY PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS ON THE IMPACT OF OUR UTILITY RATES OVERALL ON AFFORDABILITY AND WE ARE JUST ENTERING PHASE TWO OF THAT STUDY AND THE GOAL OF PHASE TWO IS TO TAKE ACTION AND TO DEVELOP MORE RECOMMENDATIONS RECOMMENDATIONS TO ADDRESS RATE AFFORDABILITY. I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BEING LOOKED AT INCLUDE MORE ROBUST EDUCATION AND OUTREACH ON OUR RATES CURRENTLY MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF OUR INFORMATION IS TRANSLATED AND REALLY ACCESSIBLE FOR ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS. ANOTHER OPTION IS LOOKING AT MORE UTILITY BILL ASSISTANCE. SO THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING STUDIED AND I THINK THE GOAL OF THAT TASK FORCE IS TO DEVELOP THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WOULD BE SHARED WITH COUNCIL IN 2026. I ALSO DO WANT TO NOTE THAT WE ARE WAS ONE OF THE PARTNER ORGANIZATIONS IN THAT TASK FORCE AND WE DOES CURRENTLY HAVE A UTILITY BILL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME RESIDENTS IN BLOOMINGTON WHO HAVE UTILIZED THAT IN THE PAST. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO PROMOTE AND THEN AS I MENTIONED WE DID CONDUCT A RACIAL EQUITY IMPACT ASSESSMENT AS PART OF THIS STUDY LAST YEAR AND AS WE LOOKED THROUGH THAT KIND OF AS LISA MENTIONED, THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IMPACTS ALL OF OUR HOUSEHOLDS WITHIN BLOOMINGTON. SO IT WILL BE THE SAME INCREASE FOR ALL CUSTOMERS AND IT WOULD BE IN A SENSE MAKING OUR RATES A LITTLE BIT MORE EQUITABLE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE BASED MORE ON WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY GENERATING. WE DID TAKE A LOOK ON THE IMPACTS TO LARGE FAMILIES AND LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS AND IT CAN BE DIFFICULT TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE IMPACTS MIGHT BE RIGHT NOW. BUT LOOKING AT CENSUS DATA, WE KNOW THAT THERE IS ABOUT LET'S SEE HERE 24.3% OF OUR HOUSEHOLDS ARE FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN AND BLOOMINGTON AND OUR AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD SIZE IS APPROXIMATELY 2.4 MEMBERS. SO THE MAJORITY OF OUR HOUSEHOLDS IN BLOOMINGTON ARE NOT FAMILIES. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO KIND OF NOTE AS WE LOOKED AT LOOK AT THE IMPACT. SO I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANKS. >> THANKS. OTHER THINGS THAT SOMETIMES COME UP ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT ODORS AND YOU KNOW THAT MAY HOPEFULLY YOU'RE ALREADY DEALING WITH ODORS IN THE CURRENT YOU KNOW, TRASH AND ORGANICS PROGRAM AND SO ON. >> THERE'S NO REAL CHANGE IN IN WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT THERE. AND YOU ALREADY HAVE A BAG PROGRAM TO DEAL WITH EXTRAS FOR THOSE HOUSEHOLDS THAT THEY HAVE THAT OCCASIONAL PARTY AND SO ON. SO YOUR SYSTEM IS WELL SET UP TO TO ADDRESS TO TO WORK WITHIN THIS KIND OF A KIND OF A PROGRAM. >> MISS HORNER, BACK TO YOU. WELL, THANK THANK YOU LISA FOR THE INFORMATION AND FOR PRESENTING THE UPDATED RECOMMENDATIONS. I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF BRIEFLY MENTION REGARDING TIMELINE FOR THESE CHANGES BASED ON COUNCIL'S DIRECTION THIS EVENING. STAFF WOULD THEN BEGIN TO WORK MORE WITH LEGAL AND UTILITY BILLING AND FINANCE TO BRING BACK THESE PROPOSED RATES DURING OUR REGULAR BUDGET PROCESS AND WE WOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL IN OCTOBER WITH THESE PROPOSED RATES AND THERE IS A PUBLIC HEARING IN NOVEMBER WHEN THEY ARE OFFICIALLY FORMALLY ADOPTED AND ALSO TO ALLOW TIME FOR OUTREACH AND COMMUNICATION REGARDING THE NEW RATES WE WOULD BE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH COMMUNICATIONS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A GOOD COMMUNICATIONS PLAN IN PLACE BECAUSE IT COULD BE A QUICK TURNAROUND IF WE JUST STARTED IN NOVEMBER ONCE THOSE RATES ARE ADOPTED TO LET RESIDENTS KNOW ABOUT THE RATES AND 2026 SO WE'D LIKE TO BE PROACTIVE AND HAVE MANY ARTICLES IN THE BRIEFING UP TO THAT KIND OF TALKING ABOUT THESE PROPOSED RATES AND DO SOME KIND OF TARGETED COMMUNICATIONS TO THE COMMUNITIES THAT COULD BE MORE IMPACTED SO WE CAN KIND OF TARGET WE KNOW WHO OUR LARGE CARD HOLDERS ARE IN BLOOMINGTON AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GETTING MORE COMMUNICATIONS. SO WITH THAT WE'RE SEEKING COUNCIL'S DIRECTION ON THESE PRELIMINARY 2026 PROPOSED RATES THAT WOULD INCORPORATE THAT STRONGER FINANCIAL INCENTIVE THAT WAS SHOWN TONIGHT AS WELL AS ADDING THAT EVERY OTHER WEEK GARBAGE CARD SERVICE LEVEL SO WE WOULD APPRECIATE ANY FEEDBACK ON THIS PROPOSAL THI EVENING. >> WELL THANK YOU AND THANK YOU DR. SUKUMAR FOR YOUR INPUT ON ALL THIS. AND THIS WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE, VERY ROBUST AND INFORMATION AND DATA FILLED REPORT THAT BRINGS US TO THE CONCLUSION THAT IT'S BROUGHT US TO AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE PLENTY OF MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL THAT APPRECIATE THAT KIND OF THING. SO WELL DONE WITH THAT I DO WANT TO HAVE ONE QUESTION. DR. E ON YOUR YOUR SLIDE WHERE YOU WERE PROJECTING THE SUBSCRIPTION LEVS, ONE OF YOUR RISKS THAT YOU LISTED WAS THAT THE IF WE HAD OUR STRONGER REACTIONS THE CITY REVENUE RISK WOULD BE $347,000 A YEAR ASSUMING THEN YOU'VE ALSO CALCULATED THE RISK FROM THE EXPECTED REACTIONS WHAT WHAT MIGHT THAT BE? WHAT WE MIGHT BE WHAT MIGHT WE EXPECT IF THAT WOULD BE THE CASE JUST GONE THAT WOULD BE ZERO BECAUSE YOU'D BE CHARGING RATES THAT ARE EXACTLY RIGHT TO SUPPORT THAT THAT SERVICE LEVEL DISTRIBUTION . SO THE RATES ARE BASED ON ON THREE THREE UNDERLYING FACTORS THE AMOUNT OF INCENTIVES THAT YOU THE AMOUNT OF INCENTIVE THAT YOU WANT TO PROVIDE, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON EACH CAN SITE AND THEN THE TOTAL COSTS YOU'RE TRYING TO RAISE AND THE TWO I THINK AND SO THE TWO THE FIRST TWO THE THE RATES THAT WE CHARGE THAT WE PROJECTED TIMES THE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS TIMES THE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS AND EACH CAN SIZE WILL RAISE EXACTLY THE AMOUNT OF COSTS THAT THAT YOU WILL REALIZE FOR THAT FOR THAT SCENARIO IF IN FACT AND THAT WAS THE BALANCE SUBSCRIPTION WAS 1.54 CANS UP AT THE TOP IF IN FACT WE END UP WITH THE EXTRA SQUISHING AND SO ON YOU MOVE DOWN TO A CAN SIZE ON THE LEFT THAT IS 1.4 ISH AND YOU SEE THAT THE REVENUE RISK THERE IS $347,000 PER PER YEAR OR ABOUT A 9% SHORTFALL. SO IF YOU YOU KNOW THIS IS THE SORT OF AND IF YOU END UP AT ONE POINT IF THERE WAS A 1.54 CAN SIZE IN THERE YOU WOULD SEE ZERO RISK. >> YOU SEE THAT THE RISK IS A NEGATIVE ON ONE SIDE AND A POSITIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT OF THAT 1.5 AND THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S THE SWEET SPOT OF OF NO RISK. >> SO INTERESTING. SO JUST A DIFFERENCE OF.1114 IS A DIFFERENCE OF $347,000. IT IS INTERESTING. MM. COUNCIL QUESTIONS COMMENTS THOUGHTS ON THIS COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. >> YEAH THIS IS A GREAT TABLE ACTUALLY I APPRECIATE THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT WILL HELP US KNOWING IF WE GET TO 1.6 OR OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THE THE YOU HAD TWO QUESTIONS I THINK ONE WAS HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT THE RATES AND THEN HOW DO WE FEEL ABOUT THE EVERY OTHER WEEK I AM A HUGE PROPONENT OF EVERY OTHER WEEK AVERAGE I THINK I HAVE BEEN SINCE I GOT HERE. I THINK OTHER FOLKS HAVE PROBABLY HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT A TWO SO MANY SENIORS TALK TO ME ABOUT HEY, I BARELY HAVE, YOU KNOW, A GARBAGE BAG A WEEK. I'M AT CURRENTLY BY MYSELF IN MY HOUSE AND I'M AT ONE BAG A WEEK SO I'LL BE GOING TO EVERY OTHER WEEK GARBAGE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND PROBABLY GETTING A SECOND RECYCLING CAN. SO I'M YOUR PERSON RIGHT KNOW I KNOW I'M NOT LIKE THAT FOR EVERYBODY BUT I THINK THE OFFSET HERE FOR OUR SMALLER HOUSEHOLDS IS REALLY STRONG AND I HOPE THAT I HOPE THAT WE CAN GIVE THE DIRECTION AND I DON'T KNOW FOR OFFERING DIRECTION BUT I HOPE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GIVE THE DIRECTION OF YES, DEFINITELY. LET'S TALK ABOUT EVERY OTHER WEEK GARBAGE REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE RATE ENDS UP BEING BECAUSE I THINK WE I DON'T WANT TO ASSUME BUT I'M A BIG PROPONENT I THINK OTHERS ON COUNCIL ARE OF ADDING THAT INTO THE MIX SO MAYBE WE CAN AT LEAST GET THAT CHECKBOX DONE TONIGHT. I DON'T KNOW MR. MAYOR, IF THAT IS PART OF THE DIRECTION WE WANT TO GIVE BUT I'D BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. AND THEN IN TERMS OF INCENTIVE SIZES, I THINK I THINK THIS MAKES SENSE TO ME AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT THE EDUCATION IS GOING TO MATTER ON ON HOW IT WORKS BUT YOU KNOW WITH WITH ORGANICS RECYCLING WITH OUR AND OUR OUR REGULAR RECYCLING BEING HEY THROW AS MUCH OF IT AWAY AS YOU CAN AND YOU GET TO TO HAVE AN EXTRA CART IF YOU NEED TO AND EVERYTHING AND WE STILL DON'T CHARGE YOU MORE. I REALLY THINK THAT WITH A LITTLE BIT OF WORK ON PEOPLE'S PARTS TO LIKE ACTUALLY YOU KNOW MAKE CHOICES ABOUT THROWING THINGS IN CAN ONE VERSUS CAN DO THAT THAT THIS IS IS GOING TO BE REALLY GOOD FOR THE CITY AND WILL HELP A LOT WHAT ARE THE THINGS I DIDN'T SEE IN HERE AND MAYBE MAYBE LAURA YOU CAN BRING THIS BACK TO US BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT WAS RELATED SO MUCH TO WHAT DR. SCHOOLS WAS WAS WORKING ON WAS WHAT WE WHAT WE PROJECT THE THE DIVERSION CHANGES WILL BE WHEN WE WHEN WE DO THIS MEANING HOW DO WE ACTUALLY SEE THE DIVERSION TO RECYCLING INTO ORGANICS ACTUALLY GOING I KNOW I ASKED THE QUESTION LIKE WHERE ARE WE AT WITH ORGANICS RIGHT NOW? I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE ABOVE 30% RIGHT AND I KNOW WE WANT TO GET TO 70% OR SOMETHING OVER TIME OR 50% AT A MINIMUM. SO LIKE HOW DO WE FEEL LIKE THIS WILL ALSO POTENTIALLY MOVE US TOWARDS THOSE MORE SUSTAINABILITY ORIENTED GOALS NOT JUST THE COST EFFICIENCY GOALS WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW IT'S WELL I MENTIONED THERE'D BE ABOUT A 15% INCREASE IN DIVERSION AND YOU CAN SEE THAT DOWN ABOUT MIDWAY DOWN THE TABLE JUST ABOVE THAT BOTTOM DAR BLUE LINE GOING FROM 40 TO 55%. OH I SEE. OKAY SO IN THAT'S AND THAT MIDDLE SECTION SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL 4.5% ON RECYCLING AND A NEW FOOD DIVERSION. OKAY. AND THEN DIVERSION FROM SOURCE REDUCTION. OKAY GREAT. THANK YOU. THAT'S SUPER HELPFUL. DO WE KNOW WHAT THAT TRANSLATES TO, LAURA IN TERMS OF OUR SUSTAINABILITY INITIATIVES AND THE GOALS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND AT THIS TIME WE DON'T HAVE SET SUSTAINABILITY OF DIVERSION GOALS FOR THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. HENNEPIN COUNTY DOES HAVE A GOAL TO DIVERT 80% OF OUR WASTE BY 2030. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE GOAL THAT WE'RE WE ARE FOLLOWING AND I KNOW THAT AS PART OF THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN THAT'S FORTHCOMING WE'LL BE SETTING MORE TARGETED GOALS. BUT CERTAINLY I THINK THAT THESE ARE ACHIEVABLE AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN CONTINUE TO IMPROVE UPON THOSE THROUGH MORE OF OUR OF OUR PROGRAMS. RIGHT. THANKS. I APPRECIATE IT. COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS, JUST A QUICK COMMENT. I'M ALL FOR THAT EVERY OTHER WEEK PICK UP BUT I WOULD SUGGEST KEEPING THE SAME PRICES I MEAN AS IT IS I SOMETIMES DON'T FEEL OKAY CAN IN TWO WEEKS I JUST PUT IT OUT SO THAT HE DOESN'T SIT IN THERE THEN I HAVE A HUGE CAN TOO SO I WILL BENEFIT FROM THESE BUT IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT ME BUT I WOULD SUPPORT THE EVERY OTHER WEEK BUT I WOULD PROBABLY THINK IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO LEAVE THE RATES AS THEY ARE IF THAT WAS THE CASE . IF HE DOES HELP THE CITY IN ANY WAY IT'S A GOOD IDEA. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCILMEMBER COOK THANK YOU MAYOR. COUPLE QUESTIONS. BACK TO THE RISK TABLE. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR US TO SEE THE REDUCTION IN THE THE SIZE GETTING DOWN TO THE 1.5 FOR BECAUSE WE SAID WE'RE PROBABLY WHAT I WANT TO POINT TO RIGHT NOW WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT DROP HOW LONG DOES THAT TAKE BECAUSE I'M ASSUMING IF WE CAN CONTINUE TO RUN IN THE TWOS FOR THREE OR 4 OR 5 YEARS WE'D BE CHARGED OVER CHARGING TOWARD BE A SURPLUS. RIGHT. SO WHAT WHAT'S THE TIME ESTIMATE OF WHEN WE WOULD GET TO THAT LEVEL? WHAT WE'RE HOPING IS THAT THERE'LL BE A CITYWIDE TO BLITZ AND EDUCATION PROGRAM WHERE PEOPLE CAN SEE HOW BIG THESE CANS ARE AND THAT SORT OF THING AND AND THEY WILL BE ASKED TO CHOOSE THEIR SIDE AND THE SIZE AND THAT WILL HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, IN THE ROLL OUT KIND OF TIMEFRAME THAT I THINK THAT THE CITY IS THAT THE IS HORNER IS FIGURING OUT AND SO THERE WOULD BE A FAIRLY BIG MOVE TO IT RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE SO THE PEOPLE WILL CHOOSE WHO CAN SIZE THOSE WILL GET DISTRIBUTED AND YOU'LL BE IN THE NEW THE NEW SCENARIO IT WON'T BE 100% IN A ROW OF PEOPLE WHO ARE USUALLY ALLOWED TO DO ONE SWITCH IN CASE THEY GUESSED WRONG. YOU KNOW WITHIN SO WITHIN SIX MONTHS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT GENERALLY IT MOVES FAIRLY QUICKLY BECAUSE BECAUSE THERE'S A BLITZ TO TRY TO NOT LET IT GO OUT IN DRIBS AND DRABS, GET A SYSTEM GOING AND NEW ROUTING AND ALL THAT SETTLED RIGHT AWAY. SO IN YOUR EXPERIENCE IS IT USUALLY LIKE A YEAR, TWO YEARS TILL WE GET TO LIKE STABILITY ? >> I WOULD SAY YOU GET THE VAST MAJORITY OF IT IN THE FIRST YEAR AND THEN A BIT MORE IN THE SECOND YEAR. OKAY. AND THEN THERE'LL BE ADJUSTMENTS OVER TIME AS YOU REFINE YOUR PROGRAMS AND THAT SORT OF STUFF AS WELL. BUT I THINK THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD EXPECT THEY WOULD THE MAJORITY WOULD HAPPEN IN THE FIRST YEAR AND AND A LITTLE BIT IN THE SECOND OKAY AND MY SECOND IF YOU DO THIS LET'S LET'S SELECT A NEW CAN THING OKAY THE SECOND QUESTION I THINK MORE AND MORE FOR YOU LOGISTICALLY HOW THE CONVERSATION GONE WITH OUR HAULER CONSORTIUM ARE THEY LOGISTICALLY SET UP IF IF WE DO A BLITZ AND WE DO HAVE THE CONVERSION IN THE FIRST YEAR, DO THEY HAVE ENOUGH CANS PEOPLE TO MAKE THE SWAPS WITHOUT DELAYING ANY ANYTHING FOR RESIDENTS IF THEY CHOOSE TO CONVERT? COUNCILMEMBER ONE OTHER GREAT QUESTION WE HAVE CONTINUED TO SHARE WITH THE HAULERS THAT WE'RE CONDUCTING THIS SOLID WASTE RATE STUDY AND WHAT OUR PROPOSED RATES ARE. WE JUST ACTUALLY HAD A MEETING WITH THEM LAST WEEK AND SHARED THIS. SO I THINK OUR GOAL IS TO GET PRETTY CLEAR DIRECTION ON SUPPORTS FOR THIS MOVE AND THEN TO WORK WITH THE HAULERS TO GIVE THEM WHAT OUR WHAT THIS EXPECTED REACTION IS AND WHAT THE STRONG REACTION IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE CART SIZES THAT THEY WOULD NEED. I WILL SAY THAT OUR TWO LARGEST HAULERS IN BLOOMINGTON SERVICE CITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND THEY HAVE A PRETTY AMPLE SUPPLY OF CARTS SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS GOING TO BE VERY TOUGH FOR THEM TO ACCOMPLISH BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE OUR OWN CITY OWNED CARTS. THEY CAN USE THEIR WASTE MANAGEMENT CARTS THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE STACK OF. SO I THINK YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A CONFIRMED YES THEY CAN HANDLE STRONG REACTION AS OF TODAY BUT WE HAVE PREPARED THEM FOR THIS AND THAT IS WHY WE WANT TO HAVE AMPLE TIME TO COMMUNICATE THIS TO RESIDENTS SO WE CAN TRY TO SET A TIMELINE OF PLEASE LET US KNOW WHAT YOUR SELECTED CARTS SIZES BY DECEMBER 1ST SO THE HAULERS CAN BE SURE THAT THEY HAVE WHAT THEY NEED ON HAND FOR JANUARY 1ST ROLLOUT. AND I THINK IN THIS IN THE SCENARIO WHERE THE HAULERS MAY NOT HAVE ENOUGH CARTS THEY WOULD STILL HONOR THE CART SIZE THAT A RESIDENT HAD SELECTED TO DOWNSIZE TO FOR THAT PRICE AND IN THAT IN THAT SCENARIO WE WOULD COMMUNICATE . YOUR CART WILL BE COMING IN TWO WEEKS YOU KNOW THE HAULERS ARE WORKING TO GET CARTS BUT THE PRICE THAT THEY HAVE SELECTED IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE HONORED AND YOU KNOW THE DATE THAT IT SHOULD HAVE TAKEN PLACE. SO WE'RE WORKING ON WE'RE REALLY WORKING ON THAT AND THAT'S GOING TO BE THE NEXT STEP HERE AFTER WE GET SOME DIRECTION ON SUPPORT FOR FOR THESE RATES. REMEMBER ON BRIEF COMMENT AND A QUICK QUESTION JUST TO CONFIRM THEM. I'LL START WITH A QUESTION. THE EVERY OTHER WEEK IS ONLY SOLELY THAT 35 GALLON AND NOT THE OTHER OTHER ITEMS AND I IMAGINE THAT WE LOOKED AT THOSE OTHER ONES AND DIDN'T SEE A AN ADVANTAGE IN TRYING TO DO THOSE OTHER OTHER TYPES . SO THAT BEING SAID, WE'VE COME A LONG WAYS WITH THIS WHOLE THING AND YOU KNOW, FINALLY WE'RE ABLE TO GET THIS THING DONE. I KNOW I WANTED TO SEE THIS MOVE A LOT FASTER THAN THIS BUT IT REALLY LOOKS GOOD. WE HAVE TODAY AND I KNOW THAT WE HAD THIS BODY BEFORE KIND OF LOOKING AT TRYING TO BE MORE AGGRESSIVE. CERTAINLY I'M IN FAVOR OF DOING THIS EVERY OTHER WEEK AND AND ALSO LOOKING FORWARD TO BE A LITTLE MORE AGGRESSIVE WITH WITH THESE THINGS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE DO IT. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER THANK YOU MAYOR. I WILL KEEP MY COMMENTS VERY BRIEF. I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE EVERY OTHER WEEK FOR SURE AND I AM SUPPORTIVE OF THE RATES MOVING THOSE FORWARD SO I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO. IT'S ALIGNS WITH OUR VALUES, OUR STRATEGIC PLAN. YOU KNOW WE SET THIS DIRECTION SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS SAYING THAT WE WANT TO DO THIS AND SO I WOULD JUST SAY THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR YOUR WORK ON IT. IT'S REALLY, REALLY EXCELLENT. AND THEN I WOULD ECHO OTHER SENTIMENTS THAT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND EDUCATION PIECE WILL JUST BE CRUCIAL AND REALLY IMPORTANT. SO AS MUCH AS WE CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT TOO, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ENGAGE US IN THOSE EFFORTS. SO I THINK YOU HEARD THE COUNCIL DIRECTION. I THINK THE DIRECTION ALIGNS WITH THE TWO BULLETS THAT YOU HAVE THERE CERTAINLY THE EVERY OTHER WEEK AND I THINK THERE'S CONSENSUS REGARDING THE STRONG FINANCIAL INCENTIVE BETWEEN THE GARBAGE CART RATES AS WELL. AND I WILL ECHO COUNCILMEMBER CARTER. I WOULD START WITH THE COMMUNICATION STAFF TOMORROW IF WE'RE GOING TO HEAD DOWN THIS PATH, WE NEED A PLAN IN PLACE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND TO START TO REALLY ROLL THIS OUT TO PEOPLE AND HAVE THEM UNDERSTAND IT BECAUSE AS WE SAW IT'S AS I SAID, IT'S IT'S VIGOROUS. IT'S IT'S RIGOROUS KIND OF THINKING BUT IT DOES MAKE VERY GOOD SENSE AND I THINK IT WILL BENEFIT A GOOD GOOD MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS IN BLOOMINGTON. SO WE'RE GOOD. YES. MR. MAYOR, I CAN'T WAIT TO CALL I CAN'T WAIT TO CALL ELEANOR. THIS IS MY THIS IS MY NEIGHBOR ELEANOR AND SHE'S BEEN ASKING ME THIS EVERY THREE MONTHS FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS. I CAN'T WAIT TO CALL HER TONIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. NICE JOB, SCOTT. BY THE WAY, I'M AN OUR FINAL ITEM TONIGHT IS ITEM 5.3 A DISCUSSION REGARDING OUR LIQUOR LICENSES. JAMIE HANSON, OUR CITY CLERK AND MATT BRILLANT ALSO IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE WHO ARE GOING TO JOIN US THIS EVENING AND TALK US THROUGH . ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING. WE ALSO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM PUBLIC HEALTH HERE. SO TONIGHT WE WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT SOME LIQUOR LICENSING ISSUES. THE FIRST ITEM WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS OUR COMPLIANCE CHECKS. WE HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE IN OUR COMPLIANCE CHECK FAILURES. SO JUST TO EXPLAIN THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT ONCE PER YEAR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CONDUCTS COMPLIANCE CHECKS USING AN UNDERAGE OPERATIVE AT ALL THE BUSINESSES THAT HOLD THE LIQUOR LICENSE FOR THE BUSINESSES THAT DO NOT PASS A COMPLIANCE CHECK. POLICE REPORT IS WRITTEN A COPY SENT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, CITY CLERK AND PUBLIC HEALTH ONCE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT RECEIVES THE VIOLATION REPORTS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THE VIOLATION NUMBER IS REQUESTED FROM CITY CLERK'S OFFICE PACKET IS ASSEMBLED WITH THE LETTERS STIPULATION AND WAIVER OF ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING. THIS PACKET IS SENT OUT IN THE BUSINESS IS GIVEN 30 DAYS TO RESPOND IF A RESPONSE ISN'T RECEIVED OR THE LOCATION CHOOSES NOT TO WAIVE THEIR RIGHT TO A HEARING AN ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING IS SCHEDULED. THIS PROCESS OCCURS OVER TWO MONTHS. WE HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE IN OUR COMPLIANCE CHECK VIOLATIONS OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS. THE INCREASE IS IN BOTH THE NUMBER OF BUSINESSES FAILING AND BUSINESSES THAT ARE FAILING FOR THE SECOND TIME THE NUMBER OF THE TOTAL LIQUOR LICENSE IN THE CITY HAS STAYED RELATIVELY THE SAME AVERAGING AROUND 130 PLUS OR MINUS FOUR . AND NOW OUR REPRESENTATIVES FROM PUBLIC HEALTH ARE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PUBLIC HEALTH IMPACTS . GOOD EVENING. THANKS FOR JOINING US TONIGHT. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBER HI. GOOD EVENING . GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BRITTANY. WHEN I AM THE PUBLIC HEALTH SPECIALIST FOCUSING ON HEALTH AND OUR POLICIES AND I AM HERE TO SHARE THE PUBLIC HEALTH PLANS AROUND THE IMPLICATIONS OF ALCOHOL COMPLIANCE AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN MY COMMUNITY. SO IN 2024 ALONE HENNEPIN COUNTY RECORDED OVER 48,000 ALCOHOL RELATED HOSPITALIZATIONS WITH THE WITH BINGE DRINKING BEING THE TOP DRIVER. THAT TRAJECTORY OFTEN BEGINS VERY EARLY ON ACCORDING TO OUR 2022 MINNESOTA STUDENT SURVEY, 12% OF 11TH GRADERS REPORTED DRINKING IN THE PAST 30 YEARS AND OVER HALF OF THOSE GOT ALCOHOL FROM A FRIEND. THESE PATTERNS ARE REVEALING NOT JUST ACCESS BUT ALSO NORMALIZATION WITH WITH THAT RESEARCH FROM THE CDC AND SAMHSA HAS CONFIRMED THAT EARLY ALCOHOL USE DRAMATICALLY INCREASES THE RISK OF BINGE DRINKING AND LONG TERM HEALTH ISSUES SUCH AS ADDICTION, POOR MOTOR CONTROL, COGNITIVE IMPAIRMENT, MENTAL DISORDER, LIVER DAMAGE AND OTHERS. ALCOHOL COMPLIANCE IS A PROVEN PATH FORWARD THOUGH EVIDENCE BASED STUDIES HAVE SHOWED THAT REGULAR COMPLIANCE CHECKS AND STRONG AGE VERIFICATION POLICIES SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE YOUTH ACCESS TO ALCOHOL EVERY MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO CHECK IDS OR INTERVENE IN UNDERAGE ACCESS CONTRIBUTES TO THIS ONGOING CYCLE. BY ENFORCING LAWS AND BUILDING COMMUNITY WIDE ACCOUNTABILITY WE CAN DISRUPT THIS HARMFUL PIPELINE PROTECT AND DRIVE DOWN HOSPITALIZATIONS THAT STRAINS, STRAINS FAMILIES AND OUR COMMUNITIES ALIKE. THANK YOU AND I'LL PASS IT BACK OVER TO CITY CLERK TO FINISH. THANK YOU. I'M SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ACTIONS THAT THE CITY COULD TAKE TO ADDRESS THE INCREASE IN VIOLATIONS AND WE CAN WAIT TO SEE WHAT THE IMPACT OF THAT OR THE RESULTS OF THE 2025 COMPLIANCE CHECKS IS. WE COULD INCREASE PENALTIES OR ADD AUTOMATIC SUSPENSIONS. OUR STATE STATUTE ALLOWS FOR UP TO A $2,000 FINE AND 60 DAYS SUSPENSION PER VIOLATION . CURRENTLY WE ISSUE A $1,000 FINE FOR THE FIRST VIOLATION 1250 FOR THE SECOND 2000 FOR THE THIRD AND A $2,000 FINE AND 30 DAY SUSPENSION FOR THE FOURTH VIOLATION. ONE OTHER OPTION IS TO REQUIRE SERVICE TO ATTEND AN ALCOHOL SERVICE TRAINING. THIS COULD BE REQUIRED FOR ALL THE SERVERS THAT WORK AT THE LOCATION. IT COULD BE REQUIRED FOR A PERCENTAGE OF SERVERS. WE COULD MAKE THE TRAINING OPTIONAL AND OFFER FINANCIAL DISCOUNTS ON THEIR LICENSE FEE IF THEY HAD A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE ATTEND. SO WE'LL JUST DIG INTO THOSE AREAS A LITTLE BIT MORE. WE REACHED OUT TO 77 OTHER METRO AREA CITIES ALONG WITH SAINT CLOUD ROCHESTER TO SEE HOW WE COMPARE IT TO WHAT OTHERS ARE DOING. THIS CHART SHOWS FINES FOR FIRST, SECOND AND THIRD VIOLATIONS. BLOOMINGTON FEES ARE AN ORANGE AND THEN WE AVERAGED OUT THE OTHER CITIES IN BLUE AND THEN IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES. ONLY THE FIRST SECOND THIRD VIOLATIONS ARE LISTED. MANY CITIES AS MANY CITIES REVOKE ONCE THEY GET TO THE FOURTH ONE. SO THE DATA WAS A LITTLE HARD TO COMPILE. SO THIS CHART SHOWS THE PERCENTAGE OF CITIES THAT INCLUDE AN AUTOMATIC SUSPENSION FOR THE FIRST VIOLATION. AS A REMINDER, WE DON'T SUSPEND HERE IN BLOOMINGTON UNTIL FOR THE FOURTH FOR THE FIRST VIOLATION 24% OF CITIES HAVE AN AUTOMATIC SUSPENSION OF 52% FOR THE SECOND VIOLATION AND 65% OF CITIES HAVE A VIOLATION FOR THE OR HAVE A SUSPENSION FOR THE THIRD VIOLATION. AND THEN OF THE CITIES THAT DO SUSPEND ON THAT FIRST OFFENSE, 19 OF THEM SUSPENDED FOR ONE DAY. ONE WAS FOR TWO DAYS AND FIVE OF THEM WAS FOR THREE DAYS FOR A SECOND VIOLATIONS. AS YOU CAN SEE IT STARTS TO VARY QUITE A BIT BUT THE MOST COMMON WAS SUSPENDING FOR THREE DAYS FOLLOWED BY ONE DAY, FIVE DAYS AND SIX DAYS AND THEN FINALLY FOR THE CITIES THAT HAVE AUTOMATIC SUSPENSION FOR THIRD VIOLATIONS. IT VARIES EVEN MORE SUSPENSIONS RANGE FROM 1 TO 30 DAYS WITH THREE CITIES REVOKING AT THE THIRD VIOLATION. THE MOST COMMON LENGTH THE SUSPENSION WAS 12 CITIES SUSPENDING FOR SEVEN DAYS AND TEN CITIES SUSPENDING FOR TEN DAYS. AND THEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SEPARATE EDUCATION, THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. WE WOULD HAVE IDENTIFIED APPROVED COURSES FOR THEM TO TAKE. WE WOULD DECIDE WHETHER ALL SERVERS OR A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF SERVERS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO ATTEND THE TRAINING AND IT WOULD BE A CONDITION OF THEIR RENEWAL OF THEIR ALCOHOL LICENSE FOR THE YEAR. ALTERNATIVELY TRAINING COULD BE OPTIONAL AND THOSE LICENSE HOLDERS THAT SEND THEIR SERVICE TO TRAINING WOULD RECEIVE A REDUCTION IN RENEWAL FEES. THE LIST OF EMPLOYEES THEIR TYPE AND DATE OF TRAINING WOULD BE SUBMITTED WITH THE RENEWAL PAPER AND TRACKED BY LICENSING STAFF. SO JUST IN SUMMARY KIND OF SOME QUESTIONS UP THERE IF YOU HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE. I'M SURE WE DO BUT FIRST I WANT TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, THE WHOLE WHAT ARE OTHER CITIES DOING THAT'S THIS COUNCIL HAS SAID EVERY ON EVERY ISSUE. SO I APPRECIATE THAT YOU JUST GOT OUT IN FRONT OF THAT AND TOLD US ALL THAT AHEAD OF TIME. BUT RELATED TO THAT, I MEAN THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE AND LOOKING AT THE NUMBER OF INCREASED VIOLATIONS ESPECIALLY SINCE 2018, MY QUESTION IS WHY AND WHAT ARE OTHER CITIES SEEING? ARE WE UNIQUE? ARE WE KIND OF AN ISLAND THAT HAS SEEN THAT REMARKABLE INCREASE OR IS THAT HAPPENING EVERYWHERE AND WHY WHY IS THAT HAPPEN? THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR THAT QUESTION. SO THAT DATA OF VIOLATIONS WAS MUCH HARDER TO TRACK BECAUSE OF THE DIFFERENT WAYS OF THE CITIES DO IT. AND SO I WOULD HAVE HAD TO SUBMIT A DATA REQUEST FOR THOSE. BUT YES, JUST IN GENERAL EVERYONE IS SEEING AN INCREASE . THEY ALL ASK FOR THE RESULTS OF MY SURVEY BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME PROBLEMS HERE. AND WHAT WE'RE HEARING FROM BUSINESSES IS KIND OF IN A POST-COVID WORLD THERE'S HIGHER STAFF TURNOVER. PEOPLE AREN'T STAYING AS LONG . AND SO I WOULD TIE IT MORE TO LIKE JUST KIND OF A POST COVID WORLD THAN ANYTHING BUT YEAH. DOES THAT ANSWER? IT DOES AND AND I THINK THAT'S YES THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WENT AS WELL BUT IT'S STILL IT'S SUCH AN INCREASE THAT BECAUSE EVEN A FIRST YEAR EMPLOYEE OR A TEN YEAR EMPLOYEE THEY KNOW THE RULES. AND SO IT'S JUST IT'S PUZZLING TO ME AND I'M NOT SURE COUNCILMEMBER CARTER AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER MALONE AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER THANK YOU MAYOR. I HAD THE SAME QUESTION. I WAS LIKE I JUST HAVING SO THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT. IS THERE A SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. IS THERE AN ASSOCIATION BETWEEN THE NUMBER OF DAYS OF SUSPENSION AND THEN FUTURE COMPLIANCE? LIKE I'M SURPRISED THAT WE ONLY SUSPEND AFTER THE FOURTH CITATION TO SAY THE CITATION PENALTY WHATEVER. SO I THINK I'M JUST GUESSING HERE BUT I THINK THAT THINGS WERE JUST KIND OF STATUS QUO AND WE WEREN'T SEEING AN INCREASE AND SO WE YOU KNOW THAT THE BUSINESSES WOULD PREFER A FINE OVER A SUSPENSION. MM HMM. AND SO I THINK THINGS WERE WORKING FINE AND AND NOW IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE NOT. SO NOW WE WANT TO YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY VISIT THE HARSHER PENALTIES BECAUSE THEY THEY DO HAVE A BIGGER IMPACT I THINK THAN THE FINANCIAL FINE. YEAH ABSOLUTELY. AND THEN FOR THE SERVERS TRAINING EDUCATION PIECE THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, DO WE HAVE THE CURRENT CAPACITY TO DO THAT OR WOULD WE HAVE TO ADD SO IT WOULD IT WOULD IT WOULD BE ON THE BUSINESS TO DO IT. WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF CITIES THAT REQUIRE IT. SOME CITIES THEIR POLICE DEPARTMENT PUTS IT ON OTHER CITIES. THERE'S LOTS OF ALCOHOL RELATED ASSOCIATIONS THAT MANY BUSINESSES ALREADY HAVE MEMBERSHIPS TO THAT PROVIDE THESE CERTIFICATES OF TRAINING AND I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF MANY BUSINESSES DON'T ALREADY SEND THEM THERE. SO THERE IS WE WOULD BE PUTTING IT ON THE ON THE BUSINESS TO USE ONE OF OUR APPROVED TRAINERS. OKAY. THAT'S VERY HELPFUL AND I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THAT APPROACH. AND THEN WE WE JUST REQUIRED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE SEND THE CERTIFICATES AND WOULD IT BE FOR ANYBODY SERVING ALCOHOL? SO WE COULD MAKE THAT DECISION ? DO WE WANT YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE CITIES THAT DO HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE IT ONE OF THEM IS 100% OF YOUR EMPLOYEES HAVE TO BE WITHIN 90 DAYS OF EMPLOYMENT. OTHER EMPLOYEES ARE YOU HAVE TO SEND YOUR OTHER BUSINESS ARE YOU JUST HAVE TO SEND ONE, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SO THERE IS A REALLY BIG RANGE IN WHAT YOU COULD DO. OKAY. IT DOES SEEM IT SEEMS BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE POST-COVID ENVIRONMENT AND LOTS OF TURNOVER. I MEAN IT SEEMS IT WOULD THE BEST APPROACH WOULD BE TO REQUIRE ANYBODY WHO IS SERVING ALCOHOL TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT TRAINING. SO I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT APPROACH. I YOU KNOW, I DO THINK I MEAN IT LOOKS LIKE OUR CIVIL PENALTIES ARE ALREADY HIGHER THAN AVERAGE. AND SO FOR ME I FEEL LIKE THE SUSPENSIONS ARE THE NEXT PLACE TO GO TO MAKE A REAL IMPACT SUSPENDING AFTER FOUR. CITATIONS I MEAN LIKE THAT JUST SEEMS MORE THAN GENEROUS. AND SO I THINK LIKE FIRST TIME AS A WARNING SECOND TIME IS A DAY THIRD TIME IT'S YOU KNOW, IT JUST ESCALATES FROM THERE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE LAST ONE, THE DISCOUNT I DON'T REALLY FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THE DISCOUNT. I KIND OF FEEL LIKE PEOPLE SEE THESE BUSINESSES SHOULD JUST DO IT SO THAT THEY DON'T FEEL THEIR COMPLIANCE. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. IT FEELS SPAMMY. COUNCILMEMBER LOGAN, THANK YOU. WELL, I KNOW I ASKED YOU THIS EARLIER BUT YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS KIND OF CORRELATES RIGHT WITH WHEN WE STOPPED DOING OUR PUBLIC SHAMING. SO MAYBE THAT'S THE NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, SO WHEN WE TRAIN THE YOU KNOW, THE SERVERS IN THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE DISTRIBUTING THE ALCOHOL, WHAT TYPE OF RESULTS HAVE WE SEEN WITH THAT? SO I DON'T HAVE I GOT A LOT OF GOOD DATA ON THAT FOR YOU OR LET MESK IT THIS WAY. SO YOU KNOW, YOU'VE ASKED A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS HERE FOR THOSE CITIES THAT ARE SEEING A DECLINE. WHAT WHAT ARE THEY DOING THAT'S THAT'S MAKING IT MORE SUCCESSFUL FOR FOR THAT REDUCTION OTHER THAN THE PUBLIC SHAMING THAT I SUGGESTED EARLIER. SO I DON'T KNOW OF ANYBODY THAT'S REALLY SEEN A DECLINE. I THINK EVERYBODY IS IN SIMILAR SITUATIONS RIGHT NOW. BUT THE ONE THING THAT I HAVE HEARD ACROSS THE BOARD IS THAT WHEN THESE COMPLIANCE CHECKS ARE FAILED, THEY'RE IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR THE I.D. IT'S THAT THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO LIKE CALCULATE THE AGE. AND SO IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE NOT ASKING IT'S MORE OF THE ARE THEY LOOKING YOU KNOW, ARE THEY CALCULATING THE AGE? ARE THEY YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD OF PLACES THAT HAVE THE SWIPE OR AND THEY'LL SWIPE AND THEY STILL SERVE. >> YEAH I KNOW I WAS I WAS SHOCKED WE HAD A WE HAD A BUSINESS THAT DID THAT YEAH IT DID MISS I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT COULD BE POSSIBLE. YOU COULD SWIPE IT LOOK AT IT AND MISS IT BUT IT HAPPENS. SO I GUESS WHAT I MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE IS SINCE I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THIS AREA, I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR SOME TYPE OF YOU KNOW, GIVE YOU GUYS THE FLEXIBILITY TO TO TRY TO COME BACK WITH SOME TYPE OF PROPOSAL AND TEST THIS OUT AND TRY TO SEE WHAT WOULD MAKE SENSE KIND OF MOVING FORWARD TO TRY TO GAIN WHAT IS IT REVOCATION YOU KNOW, IS A PUBLIC SHAMING OR IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO KIND OF GET US, YOU KNOW, TO AN AREA WHERE IT MAKES SENSE KIND OF GOING FORWARD? YOU KNOW, I REALLY LIKE THIS IDEA OF MANDATORY SUSPENSIONS. I MEAN THE IMPACT THOUGH OF COURSE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE THAT CAN HAVE AN IMPACT ON A BUSINESS ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE A SMALL BUSINESS ON YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF YOUR EMPLOYEES HOW YOU'RE GOING TO PAY THEM SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS YOU DON'T SEE. SO I GUESS WHAT I WOULD YEAH ONCE I GOT THE BUSINESS WENT CLOSED FOR THE DAY THEY JUST WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SELL ALCOHOL SO SAY IT WAS A RESTAURANT THEY COULD STILL HAVE THE FOOD THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO CLOSE FOR THE ENTIRE DAY. IT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE REVENUES. RIGHT? THAT'S THAT'S MORE SO WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. SO I THINK IN MY IN MY MIND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN I WOULD LOOK TO TRY TO GIVE YOU GUYS THE LATITUDE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, IF WE COULD EXPERIMENT OR TRY IT OUT. I LIKE THE MANDATORY SUSPENSIONS FOR LONGER PERIODS OF TIME IS THERE IS THERE A UPPER LIMIT ON HOW MUCH OUR CIVIL FINES CAN BE? $2,000. OKAY. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE LIMIT. SO WE'RE KIND OF ALREADY THERE AND THEN OUR REVOCATION IS OUT FOR RIGHT AS SUSPENSION FOR 30 DAY SUSPENSION. WHEN DO WE GET TO REVOCATION THEN WE WOULD BRING IT BEFORE COUNCIL. WE DON'T HAVE WE DON'T HAVE IT SET IN STONE. WE WE IF WE GOT TO THAT POINT THEN WE WOULD BRING IT BEFORE OUR COUNCIL FOR IT WOULD BE LIKE AFTER THE FIFTH THE FIFTH. OKAY THAT WOULD BE KIND OF WHAT WE'D LOOK AT THEN WE DON'T HAVE MANY BUSINESSES GETTING UP TO THAT THAT FOURTH AND SO WE DON'T YET BUT WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT YOU KNOW THE EIGHT OR SO THAT HAD TO LIKE TWO YEARS IN A ROW AND WE'RE ABOUT TO DO THEM AGAIN. SO THEN IT WOULD BE THREE IN A ROW IF IF THOSE SAME BUSINESSES FAILED AGAIN THIS YEAR AND THEN MY LAST CONCERN ABOUT THE SURVEY RESULTS YOU DID IS THE I'M TRYING TO DO A MORE COMPARISON LIKE A MINNEAPOLIS AND A SAINT PAUL BECAUSE THOSE MAY HAVE MORE OF A MIX OF BUSINESSES THAT WE KIND OF HAVE AGAIN AND I ASK YOU FOR THAT NOW BUT IF YOU COULD KIND OF LOOK AT THAT JUST SEE IF THERE ARE ANY DIFFERENCES THERE AT ALL AND THAT MIGHT INFORM THE WAY THAT WE LOOK TO TRY TO MAKE A SOLUTION BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO DRIVE OUR BUSINESSES OUT OF HERE BUT WE ALSO WANT TO CERTAINLY BE HEALTHY SO GOOD LUCK. THANKS. >> THAT'S MEMBER DALLESSANDRO. OH, THANKS MR. MAYOR. SO LAST YEAR IN THE SUMMERTIME WHEN I WAS OFF OFF OF WORK BECAUSE I GOT LAID OFF I WENT TO BARTENDER SCHOOL AND I DID THAT TRAINING SO I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT. AND THE ONE WE HAVE HERE IN MINNESOTA IS CALLED TIPS TRAINING. IT COST $38 TO GET THAT CERTIFICATION AND I STILL HAVE MY CERTIFICATION. IT'S RENEWABLE EVERY YEAR SO THROUGH SEPTEMBER I'M GOOD TO GO. THE POINT I DON'T NEED A JOB. THAT'S FINE AND I'M SAYING THAT BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS IT'S A IF TEN IF TEN SERVERS WERE TO GET THAT TIPS TRAINING IT WOULD COST THE BUSINESS $340 AND THAT'S HALF THE PRICE OF THEIR FIRST VIOLATION. SO IN MY OPINION IT'S THEY'RE INCENTIVIZED QUITE WELL RIGHT NOW TO GET THEIR FOLKS TRAINED. I ALSO KNOW THAT THERE ARE SIGNS IN REPUTABLE PLACES ALL OVER THE CITY IN IN IN THE STATE ITSELF THAT SAY, YOU KNOW, HERE'S THE HERE'S THE DATE AFTER WHICH I WILL SERVE YOU AND NOT BEFORE. AND SO THE IDEA THAT SOMEBODY IS LOOKING AT AN IDEA AND LOOKING AT THE THING ON THE WALL AND NOT ABLE TO FIGURE OUT IF THOSE DATES ARE THE SAME OR GREATER, I DON'T HAVE A STRONG PROBLEM WITH THAT. SO I'M ACTUALLY OF THE OPINION THAT A BUSINESS THAT CANNOT RUN SUCCESSFULLY UNDER THE LICENSE FOR WHICH WE GIVE IT TO THEM DON'T GET A LOT OF LOVE FROM ME. I I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO UNDERAGE DRINKING AND IN FACT, YOU KNOW, BINGE DRINKING AND THE DEATHS ASSOCIATED WITH DRINKING WHILE DRIVING WHILE UNDER THE INFLUENCE. I HAVE VERY LITTLE TOLERANCE FOR IT. I HAVE VERY LITTLE TIME FOR ALCOHOL THESE DAYS. BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. THAT'S MY HEALTH JOURNEY. MORE TO THE POINT, I THINK I WOULD PERSONALLY SAY THE WHILE I MEAN I THINK WE ARE STRONG ON THE ON THE FEES I WOULD I WOULD SAY MANDATORY SUSPENSION AFTER THE FIRST VIOLATION EVEN BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY THAT THIS IS GOING TO GET CHANGED IN MY OPINION LIKE THIS IS A BEHAVIOR CHANGE. RIGHT? THERE ARE CARROTS AND THERE ARE STICKS. THE CARROTS AREN'T WORKING. THEY'RE GETTING THEIR MONEY. THAT'S NOT THE PROBLEM. THE STICK IS THE ONLY OTHER CHOICE THAT WE HAVE HERE. AND WHILE YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT WOULD BE BETTER IF IF WE DID GOOD GOOD. SOMETHING ELSE I DON'T KNOW. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE CANDIDLY OH, REAL QUICK QUESTION. YOU SAID FIRST, SECOND, THIRD BECAUSE WE ONLY DO THESE ANNUALLY I ASSUME THAT THE LIKE THEY COULD BE VIOLATING THIS LIKE MULTIPLE TIMES IN A YEAR AND WE WOULD ONLY CATCH THEM ONE TIME, CORRECT? YOU'RE CORRECT. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF ACCELERATION ON THAT THAT WE COULD PLAN FOR A PROPOSED TO THE COUNCIL THAT IF THEY ARE A VIOLATION WE GO BACK IN MORE OFTEN, RIGHT. SO THEY'RE ON A LIST NOW AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET THEY'RE GOING TO GET TARGETED FOR RANDOM TESTS MORE OFTEN. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING TO TALK TO THE POLICE ABOUT BUT THAT'D BE ONE THING I THINK WOULD WOULD BE COOL TO SEE AS A WAY TO KIND OF DETER RE-OFFENSE AND THEN SECONDLY, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW PERSONALLY AS THEY AS WE WE DO ALCOHOL LICENSE RENEWALS EVERY YEAR I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT LISTED ON OUR RENEWALS APPLICATIONS IF THEY ARE CURRENTLY IN VIOLATION THEY THEY'VE BEEN CAUGHT IN A VIOLATION AND I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THAT INFORMATION HERE TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE APPROVE THEIR LICENSE. >> AGAIN, THAT'S OUR JOB. THAT'S OUR JOB TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE AND WE DON'T GET THAT INFORMATION TODAY AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO HAVE THAT AS PART OF AM I I KNOW THAT WE'VE GONE TO KIND OF A TWO TIMES A YEAR THING. IT'S A PAIN IN THE FOR YOU GUYS TO DO THE LICENSES SO I DON'T WANT TO MAKE MORE WORK FOR YOU BUT I THINK US GETTING THAT INFORMATION IS PART OF THE LICENSE RENEWAL CONVERSATION IS VALUABLE TO US AND WE HAVE IN ADVANCE ONE OF US IS ONE OF US CAN EVEN CALL THEM AND SAY HEY, HERE'S YOUR PROBLEM RIGHT? OR WHATEVER. WE COULD DO WHATEVER WE WANTED TO DO THERE. BUT BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION ON THE GOING FORWARD TO MAKE A DECISION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT I WANT TO SUPPORT THEIR LICENSE RENEWAL FRANKLY LIKE THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER. THANK YOU MAYOR. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER DOYLE'S ONE POINT I THINK IT MAKES SENSE FOR US TO START SUSPENSION AT THE THIRD. I HAVE INCREASED FOLLOW UPS IF YOU GET ONE LIKE IF YOU GET ONE AND WE COME BACK IN THREE MONTHS YOU GET ANOTHER ONE THEN LIKE WE'RE ESCALATING. BUT IF YOU DON'T THEN YOU'RE BACK IN THE YEAR CYCLE BECAUSE AT THIS POINT LIKE IT'S LIKE WHEN YOU'RE SPEEDING YOU GET CAUGHT ONCE IT DOESN'T CHANGE YOUR BEHAVIOR BECAUSE YOU GET CAUGHT MULTIPLE TIMES THAT'S WHEN IT CHANGES YOUR BEHAVIOR. MM HMM. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE US INCREASE THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US AND INCENTIVIZE AS WELL I, I WOULD BE MORE ON BOARD IF WE GAVE THEM AN INCENTIVE. SAY HEY, YOU SEND ALL YOUR PEOPLE TO THIS TRAINING. WE'RE GOING TO INCENTIVIZE YOU AND REDUCE YOUR RENEWAL FEES AND NOT REQUIRE YOU TO DO IT TO GIVE PEOPLE THE OPTIONS BECAUSE I JUST TALKED TO ANOTHER BUSINESS OWNER, YOU KNOW, LAST WEEK. NO, IT'S REALLY HARD TO DO BUSINESS HERE AND I THINK IF WE REQUIRE IT'S ANOTHER HURDLE THAT WE PUT INTO PLACE THAT MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT. BUT IF THERE'S AN INCENTIVE THAT YOU CAN TO REDUCE THIS, YES, IT'S GOING TO COST $340 AND TEN PEOPLE BUT YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT HOURLY BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU'RE MAKING THEM WORK. SO IT'S MORE THAN $340. BUT IF THEY CAN SAVE IT ON THE BACK END WHERE THEIR FEES AREN'T AS MUCH THEY'RE NOT PAYING THOSE FINES, THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE VIOLATIONS. I THINK THAT HELPS WITH THE STICK. IT'S I THINK IT'S ALWAYS THE STICK AND THE CARROT AT THE SAME TIME, NOT JUST ONE OR THE OTHER. AND SO I AM SHOCKED THAT WE WAIT TO THE FORCE TO DO ANYTHING AND I GREW UP IN WISCONSIN SO TO SEE THAT WE'RE MORE LENIENT THAN MY HOMETOWN IS SHOCKING TO ME IN WISCONSIN EVERYONE KNOWS OUR REPUTATION. SO SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON IT. I IT'S IT'S SHOCKING TO ME BECAUSE A LOT OF THINGS THAT I READ SAY THAT GEN Z'S ARE NOT DRINKING AND THIS IS SHOWING THE OPPOSITE. AND SO THAT'S A REALLY INTERESTING TREND AND I WONDER IF IT'S LOCALIZED IF IT'S THE MIDWEST OR WHATEVER IT IS BUT CONTINUE TO FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT BECAUSE I KNOW MYSELF PERSONALLY HANDFUL OF MY OWN CLASSMATES PASSED AWAY BECAUSE OF DRINKING UNDERAGE AND SO IT IS IMPORTANT AND WHEN YOU'RE YOUNG YOU DON'T THINK ABOUT IT. BUT WE HAVE THESE POLICIES IN PLACE AND SO IT'S UP TO US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH IT. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT AND THANK YOU BOTH FOR THE TWO NEW PUBLIC HEALTH FOLKS COME IN TO PRESENT. SO IT'S NICE TO SEE NEW FACES. SO THANK YOU FOR COMING AND SHARING YOUR INFORMATION WITH US. THANK YOU. SO COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS, WOULD YOU LIKE IN ON THIS OTHERWISE WE HAVE I KNOW EIGHT SLIDES TO GO. YES. AND SO WHY DON'T WE GET TO THOSE IF WE COULD? YES. AND SO THEN THE NEXT THING THAT WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WAS OUR LIQUOR LICENSE RENEWALS. THE REASON WE'RE BRINGING THEM FORTH IS JUST IN AN EFFORT TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL TOOLS TO REDUCE STAFF WORKLOAD BY HOLDING LICENSE HOLDERS ACCOUNTABLE TO OUR ORDINANCES. SO FOR LIQUOR LICENSE RENEWALS WE CURRENTLY HAVE 116 LICENSES THAT EXPIRE JUNE 30TH 29 LICENSES THAT ARE 32 THAT EXPIRE ON DECEMBER 31ST. SOME LOCATIONS HOLD MORE THAN ONE LICENSE FOR THE EASE OF THE LICENSE HOLDERS AND WE PLAN WITH THAT HAVE MORE THAN ONE TYPE OF LICENSE. WE'RE PLANNING TO SWITCH TO A UNIFORM LICENSING DATE OF JUNE 30TH IN 2026 AND THE RENEWAL PROCESS TAKES FOUR MONTHS. ALCOHOL AND GAMBLING ENFORCEMENT SENDS THEIR APPLICATIONS TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE IN MARCH, CITY CLERK STAFF ASSEMBLE RENEWAL PACKETS AND APPLICATION PHONES AND PAYMENTS ARE DUE BACK BY MAY 1ST. CITY CODE REQUIRES APPLICATION TO BE MADE AT LEAST 60 DAYS PRIOR TO THE EXPIRATION OF THE LICENSE. AS APPLICATIONS ARE RETURNED, BACKGROUND CHECKS ARE CONDUCTED BY ON ALL OWNERS OF THE BUSINESS BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. INSURANCE CERTIFICATES ARE REVIEWED FOR PROPER COVERAGE AND FEES ARE COLLECTED. ALCOHOL AND GAMBLING ENFORCEMENT APPLICATIONS MUST ALL BE SIGNED BY THE POLICE CHIEF. RENEWALS MUST BE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL APPROVED RENEWALS THAT NEED TO BE SENT TO ALCOHOL GAMBLING ENFORCEMENT TO BE SIGNED OFF ON LICENSES FOR THE NEW ERA GENERATED AND SENT OUT TO LICENSE HOLDERS. CURRENTLY THERE ARE ISSUES WITH LICENSE HOLDERS RETURNING THEIR RENEWAL APPLICATIONS ON TIME. CITY CLERK'S APP ARE SPENDING SIGNIFICANT TIME MAKING DAILY PHONE CALLS TO LICENSE HOLDERS TO TURN IN THEIR APPLICATIONS INSURANCE AND PAYMENTS APPLICATIONS MATERIALS BEING RECEIVED AFTER MAY 1ST IS MORE COMMON THAN NOT. THE FINAL APPLICATION THIS YEAR WAS RECEIVED ON JUNE 27TH AND WE HAVE TO DRIVE IT TO SAINT PAUL TO ALCOHOL AND GAMBLING ENFORCEMENT SO THAT THEY COULD SIGN IT OFF SO THAT LIQUOR LICENSE DIDN'T LAPSE. PROCESSING LIQUOR LICENSES IS A BIG UNDERTAKING AND INVOLVES COORDINATION BETWEEN DIFFERENT AGENCIES. WE WOULD LIKE TO IMPLEMENT A LENGTHY THAT WOULD ASSIST US IN ENFORCING THE ORDINANCE REQUIRING PACKETS TO BE RETURNED 60 DAYS IN ADVANCE. JUST A SUGGESTED AMOUNT WOULD BE 3% AFTER MAY 1ST AND ANOTHER 3% AFTER JUNE 1ST AND THEN THIS. DID YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THAT FIRST BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE PARTIAL PAYMENTS OR DO YOU WANT ME TO CAN JUST CONTINUE AND DISCUSS WHY DON'T YOU JUST CONTINUE WE CAN DOUBLE BACK. OKAY. SO THEN THE OTHER ITEM IS THAT WE ALLOW PARTIAL PAYMENTS FOR OUR ON SALE INTOXICATING LIQUOR LICENSES. THEY ARE ALLOWED TO PAY INTO INSTALLMENTS 4800 AT THE TIME OF RENEWAL IN JUNE AND THEN ANOTHER 4800 ON DECEMBER 15TH IN 2024 APPROXIMATELY ONE THIRD OF THOSE LICENSE HOLDERS TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE PARTIAL PAYMENT OPTION OF THOSE APPROXIMATELY ONE THIRD PAID AFTER THAT DECEMBER 15TH DUE DATE PAYMENTS WERE BEING MADE WELL INTO 2025 WITH THE FINAL PAYMENT BEING MADE IN MAY SIGNIFICANT STAFF TIME WAS SPENT TRYING TO COLLECT PAYMENTS LEGAL IN THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE SPENT TIME PREPARING FOR A PUBLIC HEARING TO SUSPEND THE LICENSE OF THE LOCATION THAT PAID IN MAY. THEY EVENTUALLY PAID AND THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CANCELED OTHER CITIES AT 18% OF OTHER CITIES OFFER THE OPTION TO PAY INSTALLMENTS 82% REQUIRED FULL PAYMENT PRIOR TO ISSUING ISSUING A LIQUOR LICENSE. SO THESE ARE SOME OPTIONS TO ADDRESS THE PAYMENT ISSUE AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO MONITOR AND REASSESS. WE CAN ELIMINATE THE PARTIAL PAYMENT ALTOGETHER OR WE CAN REQUIRE FULL PAYMENT AT TIME OF RENEWAL. WE CAN OFFER THE OFFER THE PARTIAL PAYMENT WHICH IS THE FIRST YEAR THE BUSINESS IS OPEN OR WE COULD IMPLEMENT LATE FEES FOR THAT SECOND HALF OF THE PAYMENT . SO ANYWAY, THANK YOU. MY QUICK THOUGHTS ON ALL OF THOSE. FIRST OF ALL, HOW MUCH WORK DO WE REALLY WANT TO DO ON THREE TWO BEER KNOWING THE THREE TWO BEER I THINK WE'RE THE LAST STATE IN THE COUNTRY THAT STILL HAS THREE TWO BEER. IS THAT CORRECT? IT IS CORRECT. AND IF YOU SPEAK TO OUR FRIENDS AT ALCOHOL, ALCOHOL AND GAMBLING ENFORCEMENT, IT IS NOT GOING AWAY REALLY. I KNOW THERE ARE MR. MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL THERE WAS A BILL IN THE LEGISLATURE THIS LAST SESSION TO I THINK INCREASE THAT NUMBER SLIGHTLY HIGHER TO A POINT WHERE IT WOULD EFFECTIVELY GET RID OF THREE TWO BEER OR ESSENTIALLY YOUR STANDARD FARE LIGHT 5% LIGHT BEER WOULD BECOME THE NEW THREE TO THAT BILL DID NOT MOVE FORWARD SO ON UNFORTUNATELY I GUESS I'LL SAY 332 DOES STILL EXIST IN STATE LAW AND OF COURSE OUR ORDINANCES HAVE TO REFLECT THAT AND SPECIFIC LEE FOR THE BUSINESSES WHERE YOU SEE THE THREE TWO LICENSE COME INTO PLAY, IT'S IN TWO PLACES THREE TWO OFF SALE SO YOUR GAS STATIONS AND GROCERY STORES BECAUSE THAT IS ALL THEY CAN SELL UNDER STATE LAW AND THEN THREE TWO ON SALE IN FACT THE BUSINESSES THAT DON'T HAVE A FULL LIQUOR LICENSES, THE PLACES THAT JUST SELL BEER AND WINE THEY ARE REQUIRED BECAUSE OF THE NUANCES. I'LL SAY OF STATE LAW THAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE BOTH A WINE LICENSE AND A32 ON SALE LICENSE. SO THAT'S WHERE THAT COMES INTO PLAY AND THOSE ARE ACTUALLY THE TWO THE TYPES OF BUSINESSES THAT HAVE TO RENEW WITH US TWICE A YEAR THAT WE'RE PLANNING TO SYNC THAT UP TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER ON THOSE 30 OR SO BUSINESS. I APPRECIATE THAT AND I APPRECIATE YOU EXPLAINING THE NUANCES BECAUSE YES, THAT COMES INTO PLAY AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT AND IT KIND OF LEADS INTO MY SECOND QUESTION. I GET IT BUSINESSES THEY'VE GOT A LOT GOING ON. I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT STAFF DOES TO GET PEOPLE INTO COMPLIANCE AND TO BRING THEM ALONG AND TO COLLECT THE THE THE FEES AND SO ON AND EVERYTHING. BUT I DO THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME INCENTIVE. I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD BE DRIVING ALL THE WAY OVER TO SAINT PAUL JUST TO BEAT THE DEADLINE JUST SO SOMEBODY'S LICENSE DOESN'T LAPSE. I THINK IF YOU DO HAVE TO DO THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME FINANCIAL NICK TO THE TO THE COMPANY THAT DID NOT GET THEIR LICENSING REDONE IN THAT TIME. AND I THINK IF THERE IS A IF THEY IF THEY IF WE SPLIT AND I DON'T MIND SPLITTING THE CONTINUING TO SPLIT THE LICENSE FEE, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA AND PROBABLY GIVES SOME PEOPLE SOME FLEXIBILITY BUT I MEAN IF THEY DON'T IF THEY DON'T PAY IT ON TIME OR IN A TIMELY FASHION I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH A 1020 WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO PERCENTAGE FEE PER MONTH AS AN INCENTIVE BUT ALSO AS A AS A A PAY PAYMENT FOR THE TIME THAT YOU FOLKS HAVE TO SPEND MAKING SURE THAT THEY COME INTO COMPLIANCE. SO AND THEN NOT TRYING TO BE PUNITIVE THERE BUT JUST TRYING TO APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU FOLKS DO TO HELP BUSINESSES COME ALONG AND TO GET THEM INTO COMPLIANCE AND TO DO THE WORK THAT THEY NEED TO DO. BUT AT THE SAME TIME I MEAN IT'S KIND OF LOOK TO COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO WAS EARLIER COMMENT THAT YOU'RE HOLDING THE LIQUOR LICENSE YOU'VE GOT TO THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE EXPECT OF YOU AND YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THOSE IN A TIMELY AND REASONABLE FASHION. SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. COUNCIL THAT'S MEMBER DALLESSANDRO MR. MAYOR, I WOULD AGREE WITH ALL OF THAT. I THINK I THINK I THINK EASING THE BURDEN ON YOU ALL BY SETTING GETTING THE SCHEDULE ALIGNED MAKES A TON OF SENSE. I'M SORRY THAT YOU KNOW AT THE STATE WE THEY MAKE IT HARD ON US ON A LOT OF FRONTS ON THIS STUFF SO MY HOPE IS THAT WE CAN START TO SEE SOME MOVEMENT IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AT THE STATE LEVEL ON ON SOME OF THESE WHAT I WOULD CALL ARCHAIC RULES AND THEN AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE THE SCHEDULE, YOU KNOW WE HAVE WE HAVE YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS OF KIND OF TRYING TO TO TO FIX SOME OF THE THINGS PLACES WHERE WE WEREN'T NECESSARILY BEING AS PROACTIVE WITH OUR OUR FOLKS. I YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE GOOD EXAMPLES OF THAT AS YOU KNOW, MR. MAYOR, WAS JUST THE SOME OF THE SALES TAX CHALLENGES THAT ONE OF OUR BUSINESSES HAD AROUND LIKE I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS SUPPOSED TO BE COLLECTING TAXES ON LIQUOR AND WHATEVER. SO LIKE WE ARE GETTING BETTER AT THAT. SO THE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN HELP YOU FOLKS GET BETTER BY MOVING THIS STUFF UP, STREAMLINING IT AND THEN TO YOUR POINT, MR. MAYOR, PROVIDING YOU KNOW, POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE INCENTIVES DEPENDING ON THE WAY YOU LOOK AT IT FOR COMPLIANCE IN THAT AREA MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. I ALSO AM NOT OF THE I'M ALSO OF THE OPINION THAT YOU KNOW, AGAIN YOU COULD YOU COULD TRACK THOSE FOLKS AND IF THEY VIOLATE THIS TOO OFTEN YOU KNOW YOU SNOOZE YOU LOSE. RIGHT. SO MAYBE YOU HAVE TO CLOSE YOUR BUSINESS FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER. IT'S KIND OF NOT ON US TO DO THAT. I THINK IT WOULD BENEFIT THEM TO GO TO THE STATE AND TELL THE STATE HOW THEIR LAWS ARE MAKING IT HARD FOR THEM AND I WILL IN ALWAYS INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO GO TO THE SOURCE OF THEIR PROBLEMS AND TRY TO RESOLVE THEM BECAUSE THE CITY OFTENTIMES TAKES THE BURDEN OF THINGS THAT ARE NOT OUR OWN. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT. BUT YEAH, I THINK YOUR YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS HERE ARE DECENT. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER REASONS FOR IT. I HOPE IT DOES WORK. I HOPE IT DOES HELP FOR YOU GUYS AND I'D LOVE TO HEAR HOW IT'S IMPROVING YOUR ABILITY TO DO YOUR JOB. LOVE TO HEAR THAT. COME BACK AT SOME POINT AND HEAR HOW THESE THINGS MIGHT AFFECT THINGS. THANKS. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCILMEMBER LIMIT THANK YOU MAYOR. I THOUGHT YOUR STATEMENTS WERE RIGHT ON THE MONEY I GUESS IF I JUST TO COMMENT ON YOUR ITEMS HERE I THINK THAT IF YOU'RE LATE MAYBE THIS THIS NUMBER TWO ELIMINATING THE OPTION TO PAY IN INSTALLMENTS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE JUST GOING FOR THAT JUST YOU'RE JUST DONE THERE'S NO WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT ANY MORE FOR YOU I WOULD TIGHTEN UP NUMBER FOUR AND MOVE THAT THAT 90 DAY PUBLIC HEARING UP OR I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DO YOU HAVE TO HAVE A 90 DAY HEARING NO IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION. YOU KNOW I WOULD JUST TAKE THAT WHOLE THING OFF THERE AND I'D MOVE THAT DATE UP AND JUST JUST START SUSPENDING FACT I WOULD JUST GIVE IT ALL THAT THE MINUTE YOU'RE LATE. JUST FROM THAT THAT MOMENT FORWARD WE'RE GOING TO SUSPEND UNTIL YOUR STUFF TURNED AND MAKES A LOT EASIER. YOU WANT TO DO A FOR THESE FINES AND I BET THAT TO MOTIVATE THEM TO TO GET THEIR STUFF IN THERE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. SO JUST JUST ONE THOUGHT ON NUMBER FOUR AS COUNCILMEMBER COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS, JUST A QUICK COMMENT. WHY DON'T WE MAKE IT AN AUTOMATIC PAYMENT FOR THEM SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE CHASING THEM OUT TO PAY? I MEAN THANK YOU. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. IT'S ONE OF THE MOST PROFITABLE THINGS IN THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE INDUSTRY. MM HMM. I MEAN IF WE CAN MAKE HIM PAY OUT MANICALLY EVERY YEAR TO AUTOMATICALLY GET THEIR LICENSE SO IT IT WILL AVOID ALL THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT? YES. SO WE DO NOT HAVE THE SOFTWARE SET UP FOR THAT UNFORTUNATELY. THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC IF WE COULD. YES. SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA. YEAH. SOMETHING GOOD TO THINK ABOUT COUNCIL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THIS? I THINK WE I THINK YOU GET THE GIST OF WHAT WE'RE WE'RE AIMING FOR HERE AND APPRECIATE AS I KEEP SAYING APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU'VE PUT INTO GETTING FOLKS INTO COMPLIANCE AND I APPRECIATE THE FOLKS WHO GET INTO COMPLIANCE IN THEIR OWN BUT IF THERE NEED TO BE WAYS TO BRING PEOPLE ALONG, I THINK YOU HAVE THE BLESSING OF THE COUNCIL TO DO SO. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THEM. ALL RIGHT. THANKS COUNCIL. THAT CONCLUDES OUR AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING WITH NOTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT I WOULD LOOK FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN SO MOVED MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO TO ADJOURN THIS EVENING NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO. THANKS MUCH FOR THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT COUNCIL THANK YOU STAFF THANKS TO EVERYBODY WHO WAS WATCHING ONLINE OR ON CABLE. >> HAVE A GOOD REST OF YOUR WEEKEND