Do you see uh Commo on the other on his way in? Not currently. Okay. I think he Oh, all right. All right. All right. Welcome everybody. Um we are at time and we have a full roster tonight. Um so I'm going to call to order this meeting of the Madison Plan Commission for um May 12th, 2025. Um Director Tuttle, will you call the role? Alder Field here. Alder Glenn here. Alder Ugare. I see Alder Ugare here on the screen. Uh, Commissioner Hec here. Commissioner Mendes here. Commissioner Mahill here. Commissioner Sanders here. Commissioner Soulheim is excused. Alternate Bazine is excused. Alternate Wesnooki here. Chair Gnam here. And uh school district rep. Soldner is excused. All right. Thank you. Um uh so yeah, just to confirm uh alternate Wnooki will be voting will be a voting member of the commission tonight um on all of our items. Um, and we'll start with uh information from our technical facilitator. Thanks, Jesse. All right, welcome to our virtual plan commission meeting. We're going to cover a few basic items before beginning. If you lose connection at any point during the meeting, you can reconnect by clicking the link or calling the number in your original email. To members and city staff, members, if you are able, please activate your video and keep it on for the duration of the meeting. Staff, if you are able, please activate your video when you are speaking. Use the raise hand feature when you'd like to be recognized to speak or ask questions. Staff, click raise hand when you are asked a question. The chair will do the best to call on committee members in the order in which hands are raised. Lowering your hand will take you out of the queue. Members of the public who have registered to speak, the name you entered in Zoom must match the name you entered in registration. You will remain muted until called upon. The clerk will tell you when your time is up. After all register and speak, a member of the body may ask you a question. If you need to share documentation with the commission, please send it to the email list in today's agenda. Chair, the floor is yours. Thank you. Um, so we will uh start with our first agenda item, which is public comment for items not on the formal agenda. Um, Megan, do we have any registrants? We do have Okay, wait. Well, um, all right. Thanks. Um, we will go to disclosures and recusals. Members of the plan commission should make any required disclosures or recusals under the city's ethics code. Um, do any commissioners have um items have disclosures or recusals related to anything on tonight's agenda? All right. Seeing none, we will proceed to uh the minutes of our last meeting um on April 28th, 2025. Um did anyone have additions or corrections to uh last meeting's minutes? All right, seeing no raised hands, could I ask for a motion and a second to approve the minutes? Other you thank you. Um, Commissioner Wnooki, you got in there, so we'll get give you the second on that. Um, any discussion on the pending motion, I'll do. Okay. Yep. Uh, seeing none, um, any objection to unanimous approval for last uh, our last meetings minutes. Thank you. Um, we will record those as approved. Um, so we'll review our schedule of upcoming meetings. This month we have um, back toback. So, we'll be back here again next Monday night at the same time um for virtual meeting. And then for June, we have our virtual regular virtual meetings on the 9th and the 23rd um all at 5:30. Um we do have our special meeting on Monday, June 2nd. That will be at 5:00 um in person in room 215 of the Madison Municipal Building. Um, so that'll be a time for us to talk about items that are not uh on an agenda on a timeline, but to have broader discussions and we'll um Megan and I have had some discussion about what'll go on that agenda and maybe we'll talk a little bit more more about that next week so we know what's coming up um for the June 2nd meeting. But hopefully everybody can make it. I think it's a good chance. We see each other virtually pretty regularly, but it's nice to get a chance to be in person and just kind of have that 3D experience as well. So, um we'll see you then. Uh so, tonight we have new business um which is um item 2, legisar 87483, adopting the updated elected and appointed official code of ethical conduct. And I think I know we have a presenter from uh the common council to help walk us through that. And um we were gonna I was just gonna confirm um we're going to vote to adopt the this or we're being asked to vote to adopt the updated code. Is that correct? Is that the requested action? Uh we just it's just before you for a recommendation. So whichever vote you choose. Okay. So we would recommend so the the request would be to recommend approval or something uh to council I guess is if that's the that's pretty normal for us. Thank you. I will um turn over the floor to you um uh Miss Capa Pall. Is that fair? Yeah. Thank you. Yes. Um thank you. My name is Karen Capa Popal. I'm the common council chief of staff. Um, and I would like to share my screen. I have a I'll try to keep the presentation brief since I believe you have you've had access to the attachments um including the presentation um the current code that's in effect and the proposed um updated as well. So, let me first get this to work. we can see. Wonderful. Thank you very much. So, I first wanted to provide uh folks with a quick um reminder summary of the code of conduct um that currently exists. So, it was uh adopted by the council in January of 2023. Uh there was a sexual harassment appendix adopted by the council in July of 24. It it seeks to provide shared expectations and guidelines for elected and and appointed officials, including members of city boards, commissions, and committees. Um, and just as a reminder, all BCC's are required by resolution to put the existing adopted code on their agenda agendas annually for discussion. And as a an FYI to uh just to be clear, city staff are governed by administrative procedure memoranda um particularly relevant to this discussion are APM 3-5 and AP APM2-33 in case some of you may wonder what where we fit in all of this where staff fits in all of this. Okay. So, a brief in brief for those who have not had a chance to go over the policy. Um, it provides expectation. The existing policy provides expectations for general conduct. It prohibits bullying, harassment, including sexual harassment, discrimination, encourages informal conflict resolution when feasible and appropriate. Describes process for reporting and investigating sexual harassment complaints. uh and it outlines possible sanctions for violation again elected and appointed officials um specifically now um I'm here because as um your staff member mentioned the council has referred this item to several committees because it does impact um BCC's uh and would like to get your feedback. I have a a discussion slide at the end um for with some some some questions that beyond a re beyond a recommendation that our office is um collecting and um providing to alders for some for context as well for your feedback. So these are the committees that I will be going to and you are committee number two. So, let me briefly I'm not going to read all this, but I'll briefly go over what's in the the proposed updates, proposed updated version. Um, again, they're both linked, so you have an opportunity to go into more detail um if you'd like. There is additional general expected conduct language. Here are three examples of that. Um, and again, uh, you can always bring me back to a slide. I think I think I'd rather heir on the side of brief and then depending on what you what you need I'll I can go back to it or or not. Um there is a new section called conduct towards city staff. Here's two things two examples of things that are in that section. Um conduct towards members of the public. conduct towards the media. Some um guidelines on um representation of the individual versus the the group guidance on using point of order. As you know, point of order is part of Robert's rules. Um th these updates or this proposal provides more detail in um examples of when to use point of order or when one can use point of order um if they feel that a potential violation of the conduct is occurring during a meeting. Um it has much more detail about conflict resolution and who to ask for assistance in cases when an informal process um is appropriate. And then and this is less perhaps relevant for the committees but for your awareness um there's a detail of a process for censure council censure of an alder. Currently um a censure resolution is treated the same as any other resolution. An alder can introduce it. It gets voted on by um simple majority and and and they move forward. Um, this provides for um more of a hearing type process and some additional requirements. And then I have some discussion questions for you. And of course, you are free to discuss however you'd like, but if you'd like to weigh in on any of these questions, like I said, we'll be we're collecting our collecting everybody's feedback from all of the committees that we are visiting. And that's the short short version. Thank you. Thank you. Um, does anyone on the commission have uh questions for um for Karen or feedback? Karen, thank you for the um really clear deck and presentation. It's I think um it was helpful to have the changes highlighted and um share those with us. Um Alder Figurero Cole, I'm sorry. I don't know if I missed if Karen um provided information on who to how to email um any feedback if they want to if you guys want to do that in the future. Thank you. Um yeah, is that with the with your email address, Karen? Was that helpful? Yes, absolutely. Go ahead and um email the feedback to me. Thank you. I think we can do that. Um, so I um I I guess I don't I don't know that we have to, but I think we could make a motion to recommend approval to council from this commission. Um, if anyone wants to do that, um, we could also recommend u referral to future meeting or something or or tableabling. But I I I think Megan, I'm sort of waiting for you to nod, but I think that's um I think that ideally we would do that. Uh yeah, and I'll uh let Karen speak to you anymore if if there's any more detail, I should say, about the recommendation for this body. Um because this is an ordinance change, it will be within the purview of council to adopt any changes to that ordinance. Um, but this is being referred to you and other boards and commissions for your input as they consider this. I believe this will be on the council's radar for adoption in August. Is that right, Karen? Um, so there is some time if you had any more questions or comments that you wanted to discuss with Karen or feedback that you wanted to send to her for the council's attention. Um but yes, like other ordinance changes that are referred to the plan commission, um you are in a position of making an advisory recommendation to the common council. So that could include a recommendation to approve, um a recommendation not to approve, um or send sending comments as well. Um Alder Figuro Cole. Oh, all right. That might have just been a leftover. Um, Alderfield. Yep. Thank you, Chair. Um, I just wanted to chime in and say that I've been participating in some of the discussions that led to this draft. Um, they began back in the winter and that's kind of led to what we see before us today. But I just wanted to offer for members who are interested in digging into the details a little bit. Um, let me know if you'd like to chat, reach out. um we can talk through if you're not sure if you have feedback yet or what would apply for example and I'm happy to help with that process and then help get feedback to Karen but wanted to offer some background on that too and say that I'm happy to help. Thanks. Thank you. Um Alder Duncan. Thank you chair. I just wanted to comment. So I was actually the alder that had referred um this code of conduct to all of the commissions to get input. Um, one of the reasons that I thought it was important is all commissioners, all people on BCC's and alders, we are going to have to abide by this. And I wanted to make sure that everyone had a chance and an opportunity to look at what is currently um in the code of ethical conduct, but also seeing if there's anything that we as alders potentially did not include that maybe you all feel should be part of um the code of ethical conduct or things that should be removed. And so that's that was one of the reasons why I wanted to make sure that um people had their voices heard before we do have that conversation in August and possibly going into September not knowing what potentially will come back to the council. But I just wanted to give that information to you all. Thanks. Um Megan, just a quick correction and thank you to Karen. Uh this is actually a resolution that would update a policy. It's not an ordinance change. So, uh the recommendation though would still be uh for the common council's consideration of approving this resolution. Great. Alder, you Yes. I'd like to move that we recommend adoption of this to the common council. Thank you. Um Commissioner Hec a second. Um thank you. uh additional discussion and and maybe I would say I would add that um we can recommend adoption and I think we could still provide feedback to um to the city staff um between now and August if as uh both as members of the community and as uh commissioners on this commission. So um it doesn't foreclose any further discussion if we uh recommend adoption. Any other discussion from the commission? Seeing none, any objection to unanimous approval for uh Alder Gear's motion. All right. Thank you. Um thanks thanks for uh coming and and walking us through that. I appreciate it and for the all of the behindthe-scene works, all the behind the scenes work um that folks on this call have have uh undertaken here. So appreciate it. Great. We will move to uh to our consent agenda. And um it's been the custom of the plan commission to remove from the agenda items on which staff members believe an application has been sufficiently reviewed to support approval with all the conditions placed upon it by various city departments and in which the applicant accepts those conditions. and there are no individuals who have registered to speak in opposition to those items. And so the items proposed for our consent agenda tonight are um on our agenda as items 4, 6, 7, and 8. Um those would be for approval and items 9 and 10 would be for referral to our June 23rd meeting um at the applicant's request. Um, does anyone are there any requests for separation of any of the consent agenda items? Yeah, we've read. All right. I don't see any hands, so I'm going to Oh, yes. Thanks. I can't find my raised hand while I'm sharing my screen. Um, I just wanted to note for all of the commission that we did have a project representative uh inadvertently register under item two. Um, so uh just so that you're aware, we do have Jim Turnis representing Strand Associates who is registered and supported and available to answer questions under agenda item number six, which is an item that's recommended for the consent agenda. So, just wanted to make sure you were aware. So, yeah. So, we could separate that out if we had questions for um for Jim. Um any any thoughts on the any thoughts that um any of these items should be pulled off consent? And I don't see any other hands even with that with that additional clarification. So I will go ahead and read the consent items into the record for the meeting. Um so the first um the first item for consent is item 4 legar 87799 relating to 901 East Washington Avenue which is in alder district 6. This is for consideration of a conditional use in the traditional employment district for a restaurant nightclub to allow an existing restaurant tavern to offer live entertainment inside and on an existing outdoor patio. Um item six is legisar 87843 and that is creating section 28.022-0014 022-0000714 of the Madison General Ordinances to change the zoning of property located at 910 West Wing Drive and 1347 Fish Hatchery Road from PD Plan Development and TR-V1 Traditional Residential Varied One Districts to CC-T commercial corridor transitional district and this is an alder district 13. Um items seven and eight are related. Um item seven is legisar number 87470 relating to 345 West Main Street in Alder District 4. This is consideration of a demolition permit to demolish a 44 unit assisted living facility. And then item eight is legisar 87598 creating section 28022-0000710 of Madison general ordinances to change the zoning of property located at 333 to 345 West Main Street 110 South Henry Street and 334 West Dodie Street from PD Plan Development District to amended PD GDP plan development- General Development Plan District and creating uh Madison General Ordinance section 28.022-0000711 to approve a specific implementation plan and again this is an alder district 4. Um the items for referral are um item 9 legisar 87841 creating section 28.022-0012 022-0000712 of the Madison General ordinances to change the zoning of property located at 1970 through 1978 University Bay Drive from CN Conservancy District to PR Parks and Recreation District and that's in Alder District 5. Um item 10 is legisar 87657 and that relates to 1970 through 1978 University Bay Drive um in district 5 consideration of a conditional use permit to MGO section 28.138 for construction within 300 ft of the ordinary high water mark of Lake Mandota to allow construction of a one-story 11,500 ft visitor center for the Lakeshore Nature preserve on the University of Wisconsin Madison campus. Um, so I will open the public hearing and close the public hearing um for the consent agenda and we'll move to a vote. Is there a motion and second to approve the consent agenda? Um, Commissioner or sorry, Alder Field, thank you. And Commissioner Hec, thank you um for the motion and second. Um, is there any objection to unanimous approval for our consent agenda tonight? Um, and seeing no raised hands, we'll record that as passed unanimously. Great. And that will bring us to our regular agenda items. We have a couple of those. Um first one is um agenda item three which is uh legisar number 87658 relating to 305 Bearclaw Way and 9453 Spirit Street in Alder District 9. And this is consideration of a conditional use in the suburban residential varied SRB2 district for a residential building complex containing 21 apartments and two buildings. Um, so we will hear from uh planning staff. I think um Clar Magnabola is here. I'm going to practice the new uh standard of naming people by their last name, so it'll be a little uncomfortable and we'll get used to it. Great. Thanks, Lisa. Welcome. Um, yeah. So, the applicant is proposing to build a 9-unit apartment building and a 12-unit apartment building at 9453 Spirit Street. And they are proposing one garage parking stall per unit and then nine surface stalls spread across the site for a total of 30 parking stalls. And there is an also an open space to the south of the 9-unit apartment building that faces Bearclaw and it's just west of the parking area. So kind of in the southwest corner of the site. Um, at their April 30th 2020 2025 meeting, the UDC recommended three conditions of approval, including a condition that recommends removing the four parking stalls that are adjacent to that open space open space um as long as the stalls are not required to meet the minimum parking requirements in the zoning code. So, as proposed, the parking complies with the zoning code. Um, although it does exceed the 21 minimum stalls that are required, it does not exceed the maximum number of um, stalls that are allowed per the zoning code. And then just to provide a little bit more information, um, the current plans have a parking ratio of 1.4, 4, which is lower than the um previously approved project on this site, which um was a 15 unit development that had a 2.0 parking ratio. Um but that project um didn't have any surface stalls and those were all um garage stalls for those units. So, like I said, um the additional stalls are adjacent to the uh to an open space area and there are supplemental regulations for um residential building complexes. And one of those supplemental regulations, which is uh regulation A, allows the plan commission to require recreational areas to serve the needs of the population of the residential building complex. and you know removing the stalls would allow for um that open space area to be to be larger. Um the applicant has noted that they would prefer to keep the four parking stalls. So staff just want to note that you know UDC is an advisory body to the plan commission for this request and the plan commission may choose to remove modify or approve the recommended conditions of approval and the plan commission would need to find that the recommended conditions from UDC meet the uh conditional use approval standards. So the staff report refers specifically to standard five as it relates to um the parking supply for the project and then also standard six as it relates to compliance with um the supplemental regulations and then specifically supplemental regulation A. So the planning division believes that the conditional use approval standards can be found met uh subject to the recommended conditions of approval and uh per the applicants request you ask that special consideration be given to recommended condition of approval number two from the UDC. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks Lisa. Um, we have reg we excuse me, we have registrants for this item. So, we'll open the public hearing. Um, to be fair to everyone, each registrant will have three minutes to speak and we'll try to interrupt briefly to give you a warning when you're close to the time limit. Um, so Megan, would you uh call on the registrants or wishing to speak? Our first registrant is Kevin Burrow representing KBA uh architects and the applicant team. Kevin is registered in support and wishing to speak. Great. Thanks. Good evening. This is Kevin Burrow with Ken Bruce Architects. Um I will do a brief presentation um but um Lisa Magnabola did a great summary as well in regards to why we are before you tonight um to discuss um condition number two from the urban design commission. If you could um as you can see on your screen here the proposed development is located in the center of the site and this property is located directly north of uh Mineral Point Road um which is just off the page here. So this is the last piece of development filling in this area. And what was previously approved about a year ago was a series of four different structures, three four units and a three unit totaling 15 units. Um but working with our client and also feedback from the city, we were asked to try and improve the efficiency of the site and provide additional housing units if possible. So with this solution, we are now up to 21 units in just two buildings. If you go to the next slide, please. You can see our site layout here where we have just one driveway access off of Spirit Street. And each of these units do have a singlecar garage available to them. But these are all two-bedroom units. I should say 85% two-bedroom units and just uh three one-bedroom plus 10 units. So these are all larger units. And we do feel that the additional parking on the surface is appropriate at just a small 1.4 ratio per unit. And the green space that Lisa McNavola highlighted is in the southern western corner there as you can see. And this the four parking stalls in question are directly to the northeast of that. If you go to the next slide please, you can see in our landscaping plan here that we have actually screened off that outdoor play area as a request by UDC to provide a nice gathering space. And um we feel that these additional forest stalls would really not render much more additional green space given the location of the transformer and the sidewalk areas such that we do respect their recommendation but we also request that those be kept included as part of this development. You go to the next slide please. Uh these floor plans show a rather unique solution here where we have single car garages with direct access to all units. There's no central corridor or elevator within this building. So you are able to access your unit from your singlecar garage. There's also a direct entry door from the exterior for any visitors or if you wish to leave unit and go for a walk per se. So again, it's a mixture of mainly two-bedroom units with just a handful of oneb plus beds. Next slide, please. There's about 30 seconds left. Thank you. Uh these uh the renderings show how you can have um the green space shown off to the right here that is still available and the direct entry aspects of all the units. Every unit does have their own private patio or balcony space. You go to the next slide, please. Here's the view looking at the end of one of the units where you can see the direct entry opportunity. Next slide, please. And here's the view looking at the parking area and access to the driveways. Next slide, please. And then here's a view looking at the front areas along Spirit Street. Uh last slide. Um here you can see the back area where you can see the parking just in the background. But again um we feel that there is more green space provided in this solution than the previous solution and we request to keep those stalls. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Our next speaker is Ryan Mcmmerry. I believe may also be with the applicant team. registered in support and wishing to speak. Good evening. All right, I think you're in meeting. We can hear you. Yep. Perfect. Well, Lisa and Kevin already did an incredible job summarizing the project, so I'll be extremely brief. Um, as Kevin already stated, this is um we've already done quite a few different phases out here, and this is a decent drive off of the SMS. So, uh, most of our residents continue to drive to get around, um, as it's a great neighborhood, but it's not extremely walkable. Um, and given the mix of the units, which has already been stated, but I'll state it one more time, of the 21 units, 86% are two-bedroom units, and the remaining three units are one-bedroom, one bath den units. So there are no efficiencies and no true one-bedroom units uh comprising uh rising this proposal. Uh so we feel it's important that we preserve those extra stalls and as Kevin already stated, we feel that uh what we're giving which is a small amount of green space to serve our residents um and it doesn't negatively impact uh the green space that remains in the southwest portion of the site. So in conclusion, I really appreciate all of your time and simply ask that uh the condition for the elimination of those four stalls be eliminated so we can hit the desired ratios. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Uh our last speaker is Lisa Ruth Krueger who has registered neither support nor opposition and not wishing to speak this evening. Thank you. Um, are any does anyone in the commission have questions for our registrants? Um, Commissioner Hec. Thank you. Um, this is for the development team. Um I I I'll probably ask uh Lisa McNabola about this also, but it can you describe what the potential is as far as you know for street parking for your residents in the adjacent blocks? Are you asking the team to respond first? Yes. Yes. I I I'll get Lisa's perspective, too, but I thought I' I'd make sure that that you were aware of what it might be. Uh these are new streets that are being constructed. Spirit Street currently does not exist in this exact area here. Um so that is under development with the city. I believe there will be uh potential street parking available. Um but we do not have the final plans. Okay. Thank you. Thanks, Commissioner Heck. Other questions? Aler field. Thank you, chair. Um, yes, for the applicant team. When deciding a parking ratio that you're aiming for on a property, do you consider the proximity to transit or the frequency of that transit line? Is that part of the math that you all use when aiming for a ratio? That's a great question, and yes, it is. um if we're located directly on a bus line, that has a major impact on connectivity to the city of residents. Um but in these uh more suburban remote locations, we actually uh strive to achieve around a 1.75 ratio for parking in order for the residents to realistically be able to accommodate the vehicles without occupying all the streets in the area. That answers my question. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Alder Year. Sort of a related question. This is for the development team. Uh, and thank you, chair. Uh, I think I can guess how this works looking at the plans, but uh where will um drop off, pickup, garbage collection, where will that work? Will that be in the interior road space? As far as drop off goes, yes, we have um those nine interior stalls, one of which is an ADA accessible stall. So, it is assumed that any visitors and/or guests or people being dropped off would pull into the site, park in one of those stalls and be able to drop off or pick up anybody. As far as uh trash uh collection goes, each of these are really town home units given there's no central corridor. So every unit will have their own recycling bin and trash bin and it'll be the tenants's responsibility to roll it out to the street as occurs immediately adjacent to the west in the rowhouse development that has recently completed construction. So uh trash pickup vehicles will not come on site. It'll just be simply collected as the city does throughout the rest of and package delivery. Uh package deliverers also have the opportunity to either park interior in one of the vacant stalls or they could temporarily park along the street as they do need to walk up to each unit as there's no uh central mail collection area. Thank you. No further question. Thank you. Mahil, thanks. I also have a question for the development team. Um the last slide in the deck showed a a vehicle parked um uh in in front of the garage door. Uh so you know you could imagine that uh someone might have a car parked in the garage and then a second car parked in front. Uh just to clarify that's not that would not be counted in the total 30 spaces that we're seeing. Right. That is correct. Okay. Thanks. Thank you. Um, Alder Pritchette Pritchette, I see your I see your actual hand. Go ahead. There you go. Okay. Given that there's a rule for large item pickups for trash for garbage of 1 to nine units, uh how will this work with uh for those individuals who perhaps have a large queen-siz mattress or king-size mattress? What are they supposed to do? Will they have to have um uh services that they pay for to pick that up or will there be other provisions made for them? I will attempt to answer this first and perhaps Ryan might need to step in, but is my understanding the policy with the city of Madison as a city of Madison resident, which these tenants will be, they can call for a special pickup and place their items at the curb. Um but given that our client owns all of this adjacent property, um there could be potential for an arrangement made with the management company for large item pickup via one of the larger apartment buildings that are nearby. And then the last question going back to uh something that was raised by Alder Theel uh regarding uh transportation. Um the the the units are located uh right off of Mineral Point Road and there is a junction. No, there is what's the name of that? South is South Junction Road. uh where the BRT begins. And so it and it's really not a walkable uh a walk to get there. They will have to drive to get to the Junction Road um uh a transport area. And so I don't know how many people, you know, I I went out there deliberately to kind of see, you know, what they would have available as as far as transportation. Transportation is available, but I can tell you right now where they are located, they will have to walk at least a mile to get to the Junction Road um BRT, but within that entire development there, there are no other bus services. Thanks, Alchett. Um, absent other questions, I'm um Any other questions before we close the public hearing? All right, seeing none, we'll um close the public hearing and ask if the commission have questions for staff. Um, push your head. Thanks. Thank you. Uh, chair, a quick question. Since Lisa McNabola has already been introduced, I can call her Lisa now, right? I I So, I should go back and check the text, but I believe that I'm the only one who has to follow that rule. So, okay. And I think you can still call her Lisa if you want to. Okay. Yeah, I think it said something about upon first introduction or Yes. Yes. Okay. And Lisa, if you don't mind, I'll be informal. Uh what do you know about the street parking uh situation in this area? Yeah. So based on the um publicly available map of like street parking, it does show that parking is restricted on Bearclaw Way. Um this is meant to be kind of like a major thorough affair, right? Well, not major thoroughare, but a busier street through this neighborhood. So, there's no street parking there, but Spirit Street um per the map does show that uh street parking is allowed. And would that be on both sides of the street likely? Yeah. Okay. Thanks. Um and then uh uh Alder Pritchette brought up a good point that I was thinking about too about trash about large item trash collection since I live in a building that no longer is able to have that service. Um, is it your impression that these will be treated as individual units or they'll be treated together, therefore subject to uh the relatively new regulations about no a large item pickup? Unfortunately, I am not sure how that policy would be applied. Okay. Um, we could we could try to see if we could find it online maybe. It looks like well uh gi given that the the applicant said that they'd figure it out one way or the other. It's not that important, but it's uh it's a huge inconvenience for me in my building. So, I just want to make sure they uh they're aware of what what the situation might be, but I don't think that's necessarily uh going to impact uh what we're considering tonight given their comments. Thanks. Yeah, we'll try to have that ready for future projects, too. Any other questions for staff? Are we ready to move for motion on this? Move toward a motion on this item. Uh, Alder Year. Thank you. I'm ready to make a motion if that's in order. Yes, I believe it is. Yeah. Uh, I move that the plan commission finds that the approval standards for conditional uses are met and approve the request to construct a residential building complex in the suburban residential variant SRV2 district at 9453 Spirit Street subject to the uh conditions recommended by the reviewing agencies with the exception of the recommendation for removal of the intended four parking spa. Thanks, Alder. Alderfield. Is that a second? Thank you. Um discussion on the motion. All right. Seeing none, um Alderfield, go ahead. Thank you, chair. I'll be brief. Um, I'm not one to go out on a limb for parking, but I the first thing I did when considering this question is look at Google Maps to see how long one would have to walk to get to the every 30 minutes service at Olden Hartland Trail and it's nearly a mile and a half. Um, so I think this is an area where we wouldn't want to go out of our way to be capping parking by condition rather than policy. So, I just want to be thoughtful of that and respect the math that the development team put into their targeted parking ratio. Thanks, Alderfield. Other discussion? I think I think these are all good points and Yeah. Um, Alder Glenn. Yeah, I was looking reading through that when we were talking about parking too and u Metro did write that the proposed development is outside of Metro Transit and paratransit service area. The closest bus stop is scheduled. Bus service is over an over one and a half miles walking distance. Um so I I agree with um Alderfields on the parking Thank you. Any other discussion? Um, I'll call for a vote. Is there any objection to unanimous approval for the the motion made on the table, which is to um which is to keep the uh the parking the parking stalls as um suggested by the design team. All right, seeing no objection, we'll record this motion as passed uh unanimously. Thank you. Thanks for the good discussion. All right, we have one additional uh agenda item and that is item five on our agenda. It's legisar 87842. This would create section 28.022-0013 022-0000713 of Madison General Ordinances to change the zoning of property located at 3821 Nakoma Road from PD Plan Development District to LMX limited misuse mixed use district. Um and this is in Alder district 10. Um and so this uh while planner magnol is here um we kind of thought on this one that the staff report was fairly clear and we would um just go right into the public hearing on this item if that's all right with everybody. Um so we will uh uh call on registrance. Megan if you would if you would do that and we'll stick to our three minutes. Okay. Our speaker is Charlene Orstead uh on Manatee. Neither supporting nor opposing and wishing to speak. All right. Um welcome Charlene. I think your mic is unmuted. Thank you. Thanks so much for this opportunity. Um I was hoping to learn a little bit more about uh the current zoning and how long it has been in place. I've lived at my current property for 29 years and to my knowledge it's been the same and working fine for the past 29 years. And what would the reasons be for needing to make the zoning change? And how did the change request how was that originated? Who originated the request? And what would the add benefits be to to the owner for the zoning change being made? So, at the moment, I'm not in favor or not or or not not in favor of the change. I'm trying to understand more about um why the change is is needed at this time um and what the benefits are. So, for example, will will it the change allow for an increased amount of commercial space being allowed to be developed on the property or an increased parking lot size or add and run a new commercial business from the property? I'm trying to understand why the reasons for this and how how the change will what the impacted change would be. Thanks. I think um there will so in our in our format there will be a chance for commissioners to ask staff questions once we close the public hearing. And I think so I think if um now that we know what your questions are, I think we could close the public hearing and then um take an opportunity to follow up on those questions if that's all right. Is that does that sound okay with you? That sounds wonderful. Yes. Thank you. Yep. Thanks. Thanks Charlene. Thanks for coming out. Is that uh Megan? Are there other are there other registrants? The only other registrant is Brad Bowden who is the applicant um registered in support but available to answer questions. Thank you. Thanks, Megan. Um are there um any questions for the registrants um while the while we're in our public hearing? Alder Figuro Cole. Thank you. Thank you. Um and this is for the applicant if he's inclined to share um some of his motivation with the person that call in then staff can explain the the zoning changes later. Thank you. Um yes, can you guys hear me? We can. Oh yes. Yes. I was the one who initiated uh the discussion and it was it was um partially to just uh get up to speed as um the uh as Charlene had pointed out it has been in place actually for 46 years uh as a PD and the wording in the PD really is not up to um speed for today's uh world. It requires that if I rent just for a context, it's a two-story building. On the first floor is a professional uh office and the second floor is an apartment a threebedroom apartment build apartment unit and it requires that I rent to a family with not more than two children to one or two single people working. So just some of the terminology from 1979 doesn't equate to today. And in talking with staff, um the uh LMX seems to be um encouraged in the future design because of the specificity of this. I have no intention of changing or or doing any additional development. Um and I'll let the staff speak to what the LMX allows for additional development, but I have no intention of doing that. It's really just to um bring it up to speed or bring it up to today's standards with the LMX is an encouraged uh version I believe. I don't want to misstate what what the staff has said, so I'll let them speak to that. Thank you. That's really what I was looking for. Thank you so much. Yep. Thanks, Brad. Thanks for real. Um other questions for registrants. All right, we will um then close the public hearing and I'll ask if the commission have questions for staff. Uh Commissioner Wesnuski, since this is in my district, I figure I'll be the one to to ask Lisa um if you could just help uh clarify what the LMX uh zoning is to help answer the the registrance question. Thank you. Yeah. So, you know, the LMX district was really intended to provide a kind of transition for smallcale like mixeduse buildings in residential neighborhoods. Kind of summarizes like the statement of purpose for that. So, um you know, admittedly it's not like our most commonly used uh zoning district. Um but per the staff report, you know, staff feel like this is kind of an appropriate use of that zoning district given the um existing use of the building and its location within the neighborhood. Um you know, in general, looking at the use list, you know, it's probably closest to like our neighborhood mixeduse zoning district in terms of the kind of uses, but it is even more restricted. So, some of the uses that are allowed in NMX are not allowed in this district or where they're permitted in the neighborhood mixed use district. They're conditional in the um limited mixed use district. I can I can offer more details, but that would be kind of an overview. One thing I I would just note in addition to that because the um speaker did specifically ask about things like how big development can be on the site. Um in just quickly looking at the requirements for the limited mixeduse district, it is a pretty restrictive district in terms of the amount of development. Um it's limited to two stories. Uh maximum building size of 5,000 square ft. um the although there are some allowances for considering larger buildings um under a conditional use standard um and really some of the standards try to reflect the adjacent development intensity of neighboring residential buildings. So, as um planner Colin Punt, who reviewed this resoning request said, the LMX district, this building, uh this existing building is really kind of like classically what the LMX district would be intended for, these small commercial buildings in residential areas. And as the applicant stated, would allow us to apply other standards within our zoning code to this property um in its operation that in ways that are uh more up to speed with our policy goals than the standards in the PD zoning that were written uh several decades ago. I just would note the registrant also just made a reference to parking. Are there any parking standards in LMX that would be relevant or or different? Parking is usually based on the use type. Um, but I would I would have to take a closer look at the code. And also there are some standards related to parking placement. um not being allowed to be placed between the street and the front of a building in this district. Again, without changing a lot of what's happening on the site, I think some of this would be uh not necessarily be relevant. Yeah. No, thank you. Um Commissioner Heck, thank you. Uh a question for Lisa. Lisa, uh, the the the neighbor who gave public comment was interested to know if the current owner is interested in perhaps having a different type of commercial tenant rather than who's there now. And I assume there's a raft of permitted and conditional uses that are allowable in LMX. Uh, so even if they don't intend to do it now, you never know in the future. Uh I assume there there are quite a few different types of uses that uh could would be allowable in in LMX. Yes. Or is it restrictive because of the of of where the description of the district more restrictive than most zoning districts? Yeah, I would say of all of the um like mixed juice and commercial districts we have. So that includes like limited mixed use to neighborhood mixed use to our traditional shopping street, you know, all the way to RMX that this is definitely the most restrictive of those in terms of like the types of uses that are allowed um with them either being, you know, just not allowed or conditional use approval being required. So it's going to it's it's likely to be some kind of an office space as it is now. Yeah, I mean those are are permitted. I guess I can't speak to, you know, all of the all of the potential outcomes, but um office uses are permitted. Something like a physical therapy maybe or um just like a like a bank technically would be general retail, like a small kind of neighborhood, you know. So, I guess things you would maybe expect to see in like a more limited, you know, like lower impact, those kinds of uses. Okay. Thank you. Oops. Are we ready for a motion on this item? Uh, Alder Year. Uh, I'll move that the plan commission forward the zoning map map amendment from PD to LMX to the common council uh with a recommendation to approve noting that uh this request is for reszoning only without any changes to use or structure. Thanks Gar. Uh, Commissioner Wnooki. Second. Thank you. Um, any further discussion on this item? Alder Field. Thank you, Chair. Briefly, um, I'm excited to see moving away from another PD and retiring a PD zoning document. They are not as transparent, um, or publicly available. So, it's harder to understand what owners can and can't do with their property for other people to understand as well as they themselves what they themselves can do with their property. So, the conventional zoning districts are widely available and pretty well understood and it's um great to be moving this into a standardized zoning district. Thanks for your comment. Other discussion? All right. Um seeing none, is there any objection to unanimous approval uh for this motion? And seeing none, we'll record it as passed unanimously. Thank you. Thanks for the discussion. Um, so those are our uh open agenda items. We now have time for member announcements, communications, and business items. Um, and I I was just going to share um uh Director Tuttle and Alder Field and I spent um the Friday before last, I Yeah, the Friday before last with some of the leadership of the Madison Metropolitan School District um on a school bus. So, kind of our first time on a school bus for some of us uh for a really long time. And um we got to go visit some of the newer um pretty intensive developments on the both the east side and the far west side and look at some of the property that the MMSD um has acquired. And I think we when we meet on June 2nd, I think we wanted to have a little bit more of an of a reflection on what we what we did and saw and and learned and how we think that that might impact our work going forward. But I wanted to share that with the group at our um during this time in the meeting and uh more to come on that. Um does anybody else have announcements or communications to share? And if not, we can move to the secretar's report. All right. Thank you, chair. Um as far as upcoming matters for your next few meetings, I want to flag just a couple of items. Um for your meeting on May 19th, a major item of discussion will be uh legisar item 87879 which is 456 to 4514 Verona Verona Road. Um that meeting is next week. So we do anticipate that the staff report will be up in the next couple of days for that item. Uh but plans should be available if you want to start taking a look at that. on your June 9th agenda. I also wanted to note a few projects um including the project at Meadow Lane, Jupiter Drive, and Milwaukee um as items that will probably be bigger staff reports for your review for that meeting. For the June 9th meeting, we also have a longer list of zoning code changes that will be on your agenda. These are items that came forward from staff um as uh relatively straightforward amendments that address questions about the ordinances application that have come up to us in recent uh months. So, just want to flag those for you if you want to take a look at those in advance. Um we do expect that there will be some other ordinance amendments making their way to your future agendas this summer, but these items are originating from staff. Um and then as the chair noted, um we do have a special meeting on the 2nd. Um, we are currently anticipating a couple of topics that include other agencies, including some updates from our assistant city attorney, Kate Smith, who typically works with us, just with any updates on a legal framework for the work that you do, um, and case law updates that might be applicable to things that you've seen. Um, so if you have any specific questions about anything that you would like for us to send on to Kate Smith in advance of that presentation, please let us know. Um, and we're working on a couple of other presentations from other staff as well. And then one item I wanted to note, I think most of you probably know this, but uh, in case you don't, the city has a new housing policy committee. Um, this replaces two of our former housing related committees. um and will actually be having its first meeting on May 22nd. Um I'd anticipate that this will be um an introduction for the members and some highlevel overview of some of the work that they will be doing, but just wanted to put that on your radar in case you're interested in tuning into that meeting. It's on the 22nd at 4:30 p.m. And that's all for me, chair. Thanks, Megan. Any questions? um on the secretar's report. All right. Um seeing none, uh I think we can move uh to adjurnn. Is there if there's a motion and a second to adjurnn? Alder Glenn. Thank you. And Alder Field. Thank you. Um any objection to unanimous approval for this motion? And seeing none, we will we'll stand adjourned. Thanks everybody for your participation tonight and we'll see you in um one week. Thank you all. Thanks.