This transcript appears to be from a Hermantown City Council meeting. Based on the context provided and the phonetic spellings in the text, I have identified the speakers (including the correction of "Mr. Orm" to **Kevin Orme**, "House child" to **Grant Hauschild**, and identifying the **Mayor** and **City Clerk**). *** [0:00] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** foreign [0:21] **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** counselor Nelson here mayor Boucher here um now we have announcements are there any counselors that want to make announcements right now [0:32] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** I'd like to start by thanking our police fire all the rescue a neighboring fire departments and police departments and Sheriff's departments that responded Saturday night to help with the plane crash on the Arrowhead Road uh it was it was a tremendous amount of support in a tough situation it's a tragedy but it uh it's heartening to see that all of the professionals and volunteers that are able to are helping out uh including the St Louis County Rescue Squad and our fire department [1:07] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** neighboring fire departments and I I know our Police Department is done a good job on this also I'd like to move on and talk about something else and that's public input during tonight's meeting we have a first reading of a city ordinance change on the schedule right away but we do not have public input associated with that a first reading is just that the fact that the ordinance is on the books is put on the minutes uh later on on the next meeting in two weeks the council will vote on that and there will be a specific public input section during that vote before the uh [1:54] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** the vote is taken but tonight I'd like to let anyone know who might want to discuss that ordinance that you can address it during item number eight are public discussion a little bit further down the meeting also there will be public discussion for anything on the agenda that is voted on other than the consent agenda so the Motions the ordinances and resolutions will all have a point where the public can address each individual item uh tonight we do not have public hearings about things for this evening we do and we do it because we do have a [2:39] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** public okay we will have a spot for public input on public hearing on ordinance amending the schedule for licenses permits and fees section 270 of the Hermantown code of ordinances Mr Orme can you give us a description of this [2:54] **Kevin Orme:** yeah this is the second reading the ordinance every year we take a look at the fees uh the department heads proposed possible new fees and then we've uh brought that you guys this is the second reading um if it goes forward then those fees would be implemented January of 2023 [3:15] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** thank you are there any questions from Council on this ordinance for fee schedule [3:25] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** are there any members of the public either in Chambers or online that wish to comment on this proposed ordinance [3:41] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** is there any public input on Ordnance 2022-12 if so please state your name and address for the record [3:57] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** this is the last opportunity for public input on this second reading of an ordinance amending the fee schedule is there any public input roll call please [4:05] **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** Counselor Geissler? **John Geissler:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** counselor Nelson? **Councilor Nelson:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** Council Hauschild? **Grant Hauschild:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** mayor Boucher? **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** aye. [4:15] **Kevin Orme:** Mr Mayor? **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** yes? **Kevin Orme:** I don't know did we have a motion we don't have motion one second on that some sorry we voted on something [4:23] **John Geissler:** yeah I'll make a motion that we uh um I'm a half away today approve these um uh this this uh public I don't know is it a free schedule please schedule yeah [4:43] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** there we are do we have a second [4:45] **Grant Hauschild:** Second. [4:46] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** motion by counselor Geissler second by counselor Hauschild let's do this procedure all over again so this is the motion to approve the ordinance 20 22 12. right but now we're going to give three more opportunities for public discussion because it's officially on the table our our attorney should have been throwing erasers at me um any public input on this ordinance [5:15] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** public input on this ordinance last opportunity for public input on the proposed fee schedule now we'll have a real roll call [5:29] **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** councilor Geissler? **John Geissler:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** councilor Nelson? **Councilor Nelson:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** councilor Hauschild? **Grant Hauschild:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** mayor Boucher? **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** aye. [5:37] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** thank you councilor Geissler just remember we're just part-time yeah um don't want to lose the job though and we have no correspondence that's been highlighted some has been received and placed on file we had presentations at our pre-agenda meeting and Mr Orme will give us a summary of those presentations Mr Orme [6:00] **Kevin Orme:** thank you Mr Mayor members of the council and free agenda we gave two presentations one of them was a draft of our 2023 budgets for the special Revenue funds and the enterprise Enterprise funds of the city those Encompass things [6:15] **Kevin Orme:** such as our Economic Development Authority our Park dedication fund our cable TV fund and then water sewer storm Waters tree lighting funds like that so we we are proposing um drafts of of these budgets they'll come back to you for review again later in November the water fund as a whole we're budging a break even Revenue minus expenditures is breaking even sewer or budgeting about a 272 thousand dollar loss which is uh better than the previous year where we budgeted 349 000 loss storm water we had pushed some projects into next year and stormwater were budging a 221 thousand dollar loss in addition we're paying for some storm water improvements with uh general fund Levy so [7:01] **Kevin Orme:** that is the 2023 stormwater budget uh the heeda Hermantown Economic Development Authority Levy is unchanged that hasn't increased since last year any questions on on that synopsis from the special revenue and Enterprise fund budgets [7:20] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** well I'd like to comment then you can verify this if it's true that the reason there is a loss budgeted in the sewer fund is because depreciation is part of that calculation and it's uncovered depreciation that's creating the loss we're we're not actually putting out money to pay for sewer that we're not charging for [7:43] **Kevin Orme:** that's correct in the 272 000 loss there's a little over 500 000 depreciation so we're covering some depreciation we're gaining some cash from the beginning to the end of the year we're not covering it all and so that's a book or a paper loss as as the columns like to say [8:05] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** thank you [8:06] **Kevin Orme:** so the second presentation was made by Todd Hagan from Ehlers we have engaged them in the past in 2019 to prepare a comprehensive financial management plan to the city what a financial management plan does is it is a 10-year plan and it integrates existing debt Capital Improvements future debt tax-based growth future operating expenditure increases and future other needs such as additional staff that we might project we need and so it's an exhaustive [8:34] **Kevin Orme:** process where they we look at the next 10 years and we combine all that together and they presented a PowerPoint presentation to you tonight which will be sent to you uh their conclusion was that Hermantown is on a sustainable track to uh Finance the city's needs one key indicator we look at is how much uh general or how much um what percent of fund balance We have basically a rainy day fund the hermantown's usually in that 60 to 70 percent standard fours love 70 and so part of the financial plan is trying to keep that steady and so we're looking at trying to keep it around 60 percent for the next 10 years and that is all part of this plan um we [9:20] **Kevin Orme:** looked at Capital needs roads and Equipment that's budgeted in to this plan roads about three million of the years budgeted for the next 10 years and if we don't have a certain Road at the end of the plan currently budgeted then we put a placeholder so we will have money at the end of the plan for those roads and then Capital Equipment also is budgeting this plan so they were they presented to us and it's not finalized but we have a good working document now and we can finalize it and uh hopefully adopt it at some point in the upcoming months [9:55] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** thank you yes next on our agenda we have public discussion this is the time that anyone [10:07] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** can address the council about normally any item not on the agenda we do have a first reading of an ordinance tonight that we will take public input at this time on if anybody wishes to address the council please start with your name and address if you're in Chambers please approach the Podium if you're online please either raise your hand or chime in with your name and address sure [10:47] **Madison Terrace:** first off I want to thank you ladies and gentlemen for allowing me this opportunity to speak to you all I I was I'm here regarding traffic and policing [11:00] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** could you start with your name [11:01] **Madison Terrace:** oh yes I'm sorry my name is Madison Terrace I'm a 4099 Haynes Road at Maple Grove Estates on the Southwest [11:11] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** last name again [11:12] **Madison Terrace:** uh Terrace t-a-r-e-s-s yes thank you and uh I'm on the southwest corner there of Maple Grove and Haynes Road there and uh an issue has been been kind of circulated around the building for quite some time and I've been finding out more and more from residents in the area about the safety issue of crossing the [11:35] **Madison Terrace:** roads and the traffic the rate of speed that people are doing uh primarily down Maple Grove Road uh I've I realized a lot of this is going to have to be dealt with with the the county as far as traffic and reducing the speed limits there and noise ordinances uh which I which I will do I have some contacts for that that the chief the police gave me this morning um but the uh the primary concern is uh he had mentioned that you know about the square miles of Hermantown and the fact that there's only so many officers that cover the area to do any enforcement and they cannot really watch what's happening down there on that stretch of [12:22] **Madison Terrace:** road there but the residents here day and night and I have not heard a complain but basically just to address this issue to put it out there and it just seems like it it's kind of all thought on my back um everybody's been coming to me about it uh and what prompted me to actually be here today was a fellow that came across the highway trembling and shaking he was handicapped he almost got hit and he was very distraught and I made a promise to him that I would do something about this and make it you know address the issue and I I'm not going to let let anybody down to my promise and so that's why I decided to come here tonight to talk about this uh [13:08] **Madison Terrace:** what seems to happen is because there is no speed limits there I I call them the Marauders they it's everybody with open pipes uh they're from the exhaust from every kind of vehicle imaginable and they're it's basically street racing and it goes on especially on the weekends till you know middle of the night I have uh just yesterday I was helping a lady move who's moving out because she can't sleep um it's just the knowing the noises to is too much for and there are other people that have been talking about it um Oliver management is a great place to lease from I do not want to move from there it's one of the I've [13:55] **Madison Terrace:** been wanting to move to Hermantown for a good many years and I got a great place to live and I want to you know fight for it for it to stay that way um the um uh there has been some accidents there um pretty serious ones cars going airborne uh I years ago this was a while back I don't know exact date but one what woman her first month in the apartment building was killed trying to cross the street over there um and I I realize they can't we don't have the police don't have the manpower to have someone you know stay staying there and watching you know parkstone Place watching this area um I do feel though with the with the [14:42] **Madison Terrace:** county maybe you know reducing the speed limits uh noise ordinance and it increased in Hermantown police force would help resolve the issue and and eliminate the uh the safety issue um a friend of mine was visiting me from Cleveland we were walking I love the new park that was all put in behind Maple Grove Estates there uh that's my I'm very proud of that and I send pictures that's everybody this is what I got in my backyard you know and she refused to walk alongside the road there because of the traffic and some of the residents are not using that pathway because they don't want to walk by the traffic so it's it's kind of one of those issues that um [15:28] **Madison Terrace:** I'm afraid that something's going to happen at some point where you know I I don't want to see it in another an incident of somebody getting killed there or another accident or and plus people moving out uh these people are my friends there I've known them for quite some time and it's sad to see their you know just yesterday I was in the ladies apartment she's just packing up and after 11 years she can't take it no more so I guess in general basically what I'm trying to say is that um if if there's any way through funding um you know to increase the Hermantown police force this is a growing area we are I mean this town is really grown growing fast by Leaps and Bounds [16:16] **Madison Terrace:** and I'm familiar with the Play Store I have a I have a grandson who's in the Cleveland Police Department I have three stepsons who are on the Cleveland Police Department and their issues that they're having right now are unbelievable because of understaffing and plus it's also been becoming a dangerous community the street racing has gotten so bad that they've been told not to go after them because they don't have the manpower to go after these people so what they're basically doing is taking whatever they have as far as motorcycles trucks all this stuff and running the streets and people do not want to even go out on the roads because they're not safe and they're not being patrolled and what I see happening [17:03] **Madison Terrace:** now is a little bit of that happening now starting to starting to Bud at this on this strip of uh Road um and I know police Time by adding the extra police force you know I know we can increase the response time or incidents um for example my my stepson who's been in the paper and on the news um where they were pulling a ladder out of Interstate 90 and at the same time there was a guy in PCP killing his girlfriend they got their minutes within minutes just after what they were expected to be there and now the police department is getting ripped apart from the public and [17:49] **Madison Terrace:** everything else saying they didn't do their job and a woman was brutally and I won't go into the graphics of it brutally killed and for my great my stepson 25 year old to see that and be persecuted saying he wasn't there in time you know and these are just kind of things that I I don't want to see creeping in on this air in this in our community and I just uh you know I'll do anything I can uh to support promote and uh help with the city in any way they can to um whatever is needed to gain funds um you know I just like to see the the funds there for that and I will address the traffic signage over there there's [18:36] **Madison Terrace:** no speed limit signs there there's no noise organizer signs there there's uh they're engine braking um also known as jake braking you know and it's people can't believe it when they come and visit me they go my God or I'm on the phone they're like what's going on out there you know so it I I think some stat extra police force there would help and I think would help the Hermantown community in general thank you [19:10] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** thank you is there anyone else that wishes to speak to the council under General discussion any hands raised online Joe? [19:16] **Joe Wicklund:** no we've got everyone unmuted so if they want to jump in at any point tonight they can [19:21] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** okay uh this will be the last opportunity for public discussion under item eight and our agenda and does anyone wish to address any item with the council at this time [19:40] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** with that we will move along to the consent agenda consent agenda is minutes approval or correction of the September 19th Council minutes and accounts payable in the amount of 500,255 dollars and eight cents do we have a motion [20:00] **John Geissler:** motion to approve the consent agenda **Councilor Nelson:** second [20:05] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** motion by councilor Geissler second by counselor Nelson roll call please [20:10] **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** counselor Nelson? **Councilor Nelson:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** councilor Hauschild? **Grant Hauschild:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** councilor Geissler? **John Geissler:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** mayor Boucher? **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** aye. [20:17] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** motions motion to approve or deny the following on sale intoxicating liquor license Bay Front barbecue Incorporated doing business as Famous Dave's 4135 Richard Avenue Suite 101 on sale Sunday contingent upon paperwork being received do we have a motion [20:30] **Grant Hauschild:** so moved **Councilor Nelson:** second [20:32] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** motion by counselor Hauschild second by counselor Nelson Mr Orme [20:38] **Kevin Orme:** yeah this is uh just uh new new business that hopefully we can get a license to and we'll serve our community well thank you [20:47] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** any questions or comments from Council [20:50] **Grant Hauschild:** but it's just great to see businesses choose Hermantown and you know this is why we have sort of structured the marketplace as a place for folks coming together and it's nice to see uh frankly retail slash restaurant business in addition to some of the more um financial services that are in that area as well anything else [21:12] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** I think it'll be a great addition and I'd like to say welcome do we have any members of the public that wish to comment on this motion if so please state your name and address for the record [21:31] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** is there any public input on the motion for the on sale liquor license for Bayfront barbecue Incorporated [21:46] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** final opportunity for public input on this motion please state your name and address for the record roll call please [21:55] **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** councilor Hauschild? **Grant Hauschild:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** counselor Geissler? **John Geissler:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** counselor Nelson? **Councilor Nelson:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** mayor Boucher? **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** aye. [22:04] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** motion to approve or deny the following massage therapist license and I have does anyone know how that first name is pronounced O'Leary for the Well? do we have a motion to approve that license [22:18] **Councilor Nelson:** motion to approve **John Geissler:** second [22:20] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** motion by counselor Nelson second by councilor Geissler this is a standard application for massage therapist license [22:27] **Kevin Orme:** yes for someone operating at the Well at 753 [22:31] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** any questions or comments from Council hearing none is there any member of the public that wishes to comment on this approval is there any public input on the motion to approve massage therapist license [22:58] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** last opportunity for public input on the massage therapist's license motion if so please state your name and address for the record with no public input I'd ask for a roll call [23:12] **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** counselor Geissler? **John Geissler:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** counselor Nelson? **Councilor Nelson:** hi. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** councilor Hauschild? **Grant Hauschild:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** mayor Boucher? **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** aye. [23:22] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** ordinance ordinance 2022-13 an ordinance amending title 2 of the Hermantown city code by amending the official zoning Mac map of the Eastern 8.1 Acres of parcel 395-0010 7720 this is the first reading moving on to resolutions to resolution 2022-117 resolution authorizing a summary of an ordinance amending Hermantown code of ordinances section 270 fee schedule do we have a motion [24:08] **Grant Hauschild:** so moved **John Geissler:** second [24:10] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** motion by counselor Hauschild second by counselor Geissler Mr Orme [24:15] **Kevin Orme:** this resolution would just uh allow us to publish a summary of all the changes that were just passed as part of Ordnance 2022-12 thank you reschedule [24:25] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** any comments I think a summary is appropriate since the entire free schedule is quite a lengthy document and we would only be publishing the changes and not the entire document [24:31] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** and it's always available online the fee schedule so is there any public input on this resolution if so state your name and address for the record [24:47] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** is there any public input on resolution 2022-117. [24:57] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** is there any public input on the resolution for a summary of the fee schedule to be published [25:11] **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** roll call please counselor Nelson? **Councilor Nelson:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** councilor Hauschild? **Grant Hauschild:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** councilor Geissler? **John Geissler:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** mayor Boucher? **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** aye. [25:22] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** resolution 2022-118 resolution authorizing the disposal of Surplus City property do we have a motion [25:31] **Councilor Nelson:** motion to approve **Grant Hauschild:** second [25:33] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** motion by counselor Nelson second by Consular Hauschild Mr Orme something about a burnt up lawnmower [25:40] **Kevin Orme:** this resolution would authorize the city to remove from its asset list a lawnmower which the city is currently not using due to it not being serviceable so we'll remove from asset list pending your guys or your council's approval [25:54] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** thank you any questions or comments is there any public input on this resolution anyone wish to oppose the removal of the asset from our list or comment otherwise any public input on resolution 2022-118 [26:19] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** any public input on the disposal of Surplus City property phone call please [26:26] **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** councilor Hauschild? **Grant Hauschild:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** councilor Geissler? **John Geissler:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** counselor Nelson? **Councilor Nelson:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** mayor Boucher? **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** aye. [26:34] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** resolution 2022-119 resolution appointing election judges for the general election of the November 8 2022 is there a motion [26:45] **John Geissler:** motion to approve **Councilor Nelson:** second [26:47] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** motion by counselor Geissler second by counselor Nelson I'm sure that our city clerk would appreciate us putting the election judges formally to work um is this relatively the same list as those who have served in the past [27:00] **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** yes we have a few brand new judges due to increased volume for the general election but yes [27:08] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** thank you comments from Council [27:11] **John Geissler:** I'd like to thank everyone doing that for us all I appreciate their time [27:17] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** any comments from the public on resolution 2022-119. [27:32] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** is there any public comment on the election judge resolution [27:42] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** if there's any public input on this resolution please state your name and address for the record roll call please [27:52] **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** counselor Geissler? **John Geissler:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** counselor Nelson? **Councilor Nelson:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** councilor Hauschild? **Grant Hauschild:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** mayor Boucher? **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** aye. [28:01] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** resolution 2022-120 resolution approving a special use permit for the construction of a two-family home in a R3 residential zoning district and within a recreational Shoreland area is there a motion [28:16] **John Geissler:** motion to approve **Grant Hauschild:** second [28:18] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** motion by counselor Geissler second by Consular Hauschild Mr Orme [28:22] **Kevin Orme:** yes thank you Mr Mayor members of the council I'll give you the highlights and if there's any specific questions Mr Johnson is online via Zoom that he could answer this is a special use permit for a 1.5 acre lot on Stebner for construction of a two-family structure the properties were combined to create a single family and two family residential lot only the two family structures require approval the setbacks do meet the city requirements the existing wetlands are scheduled for delineation on the property September 26th actually that just happened so the wetlands delineation just happened um the lots are required to be reconfigured as part of this process [29:10] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** thank you any comments from council [29:13] **Grant Hauschild:** no I have no comments or questions [29:15] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** and any other council? uh any public input on this resolution if so please state your name and address for the record [29:32] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** public input on resolution 2022-120 [29:38] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** final opportunity for public input on the resolution approving a special use permit roll call please [29:48] **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** counselor Nelson? **Councilor Nelson:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** councilor Hauschild? **Grant Hauschild:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** coaster Geissler? **John Geissler:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** mayor Boucher? **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** aye. [29:56] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** resolution 2022-121 resolution approving preliminary and final plat of Maple Grove home sites and imposing conditions on the final plat is there a motion [30:10] **Grant Hauschild:** [unintelligible motion] **Councilor Nelson:** second [30:14] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** motion by counselor Hauschild second by counselor Nelson Mr Orme [30:18] **Kevin Orme:** thank you Mr Mayor members of the council Maple Grove home sites is a 25-acre site with access from Maple Grove Road it's in an S1 zoning district with five acre minimum lot sizes there's three lots with 300 feet of Road Frontage and one flag with 30 feet of Road Frontage five acres in size the proposed flag lot does meet the city requirements each uh lot has private well and septic no required road work there's driveway permits on these through St Louis County and there's no required stormwater Pond the individual lots have no new road infrastructure needed [31:07] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** thank you do we have any questions or comments from Council is there anyone on the public that wishes to comment on this resolution [31:13] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** is there any public comment on resolution 2022-121 [31:24] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** is there any public input on this resolution approving a preliminary and final plat [31:36] **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** roll call please councilor Hauschild? **Grant Hauschild:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** coaster Geissler? **John Geissler:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** councilor Nelson? **Councilor Nelson:** aye. **Alissa McClure (City Clerk):** mayor Boucher? **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** aye. [31:47] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** next we have the highlight of our meeting motion to recess [31:52] **Councilor Nelson:** motion **John Geissler:** second [31:54] **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** motion by counselor Nelson second by closer Geissler all in favor say aye **Council:** aye. **Mayor Wayne Boucher:** oppose same sign thank you all