that's why we are all here to let you know that's what the people need and want and to ask you to increase your action and urgency today thank you for your time thank you Mr Miller Mr Thornton welcome good morning Council I'm Brian Thornton also wanted to acknowledge Jenny brackets for her leadership as well Bill mentioned several abuse so um I'm a retired mechanical engineer from Ward four and I wanted to thank you Council and sustainability program for several solar powered projects these include the Moana pool rooftop solar and the solar covered parking west of the Moana pool and at the public safety center solar covered parking is potentially one of the most economical ways to develop local scale electricity generation I hope that detailed case studies are being developed for the parking projects to assess the economic costs and benefits including projected benefits as more electric vehicles enter the community other public benefits should also be assessed including reduced climate pollution for the clean electricity generation and benefits from the shading structures including reduced air conditioning in vehicles and potentially nearby buildings these projects provide examples of what we need for buildings including those developed in the private sector such projects will help Reno meet its climate pollution reduction targets which it is not currently we need a community where all buildings include Energy Efficiency electric heat pumps electric vehicle charging and in most cases solar generation and energy storage your challenge is to represent all of the community and to work with the developers and Builders to accept changes to design and construction to meet these goals there are examples of communities across the country where cost effective and profitable new and retrofit building projects meet these goals there is a lot of federal money available now to help with this transition there are examples of Green Building leaders competing to meet these goals public-private Partnerships and cities implementing zoning and development incentives building codes and prescriptive requirements that allow communities to meet these goals I hope that this Council will work with building Business Leaders and work with the rest of the community to move in the right direction we need a sustainability and climate action plan that the building business will support and implement thanks very much Ryan thank you so much Richard Bissett followed by Tara Tran followed by Bill Sims I wish the mayor was here Richard Bissett is my name thank you mayor shivi and council members for working toward Reno being widely recognized as a green City this is one of our goals too thank you for recognizing the need and working toward more microability infrastructure examples are electric bikes electric scooters and electric skateboards thank you for working toward the reduction of community-wide emissions I look forward to the day when I can walk in Old Southwest Reno in the winter and not be aware of breathing and smoke from everyone's fireplaces we have to stop burning fortunately there are electric fireplaces that now simulate burning logs thank you for the solar plus solar project excuse me a storage project at the public safety center solar arrays and large battery storage are really having a moment in many cases the large ones are demonstrating they are as reliable as gas power plants thank you for the community solar project at the lot behind station three I expect many more Community solar projects will follow residents of apartments and condos May soon have the ability to install their own solar not on roofs but in lots as co-owners co-investors of these Community projects They will receive monetary benefits such as checks from Envy energy for the Surplus power they contribute to the grid kudos for your recent Leed gold certification that's leadership in energy and environment environmental design a Green Building certification program kudos to the one water Nevada water purification project turning Wastewater into pure drinking water amazing thank you for the grant with Rebuilding Together Northern Nevada for heat pumps because not every household can afford a heat pump so finding additional monies for these households is necessary for them to be able to participate in The Greening of Reno and save on their monthly energy bills similarly thank you for today's consent item B18 on the State Farm Grant to the Reno Fire Department because our fire department needs all the help it can get to ensure the tragedy of Maui does not occur here thank you for the continuous addition of Evies to our city fleet and I know you are read already thinking about how to provide the electric Chargers and last but not least all of these achievements will now make it possible for you to advocate for climate policies at the state and National level because you have the creds credentials keep up the good work Richard thank you for the kind words make sure that you all join us at noon we'll take a break briefly here out in the believe Plaza the climate action campaign is hosting their anniversary event for the inflation reduction act and mayor Chevy and commissioner Alexis Hill will be speaking along with Senator Catherine Cortez Master's office that'll happen about noon today Madam clerk Miss Tran Tara Tran followed by Bill Sims followed by Ilya arbitman hi my name is Sarah Tran for the record um I would like to Echo something about one of the climate activists said and that is that climate um change and weather emergencies are a life or death situation but I do want to iterate that this is not a distant threat that people do die due to weather extremes every single year right here in your city so here me myself and my fellow Advocates are here today to urge you to come up um in collaboration with the county and with Sparks with a winter preparedness plan and no later than October 1st people are having to face whether extremes from living outdoors and it is a deadly situation and it is completely preventable we're calling for 24 7 warming shelters from October 1st to April 30th and any other day that it reaches below 40 degrees and once again that's 24 7. temperature cutoffs prevent people who need these shelters from knowing if the shelter is good not a shelter but a center if knowing that they are open from night to night and that can prevent people from being able to get to the place that they need to be in order to stay warm people are often um swept from their temporary living places outdoors and that makes it very difficult to accumulate the um materials that people need in order to stay alive in the winter I would like any of you guys to try and spend a night outside with things that you can only carry in a bag in the middle of winter that is a deadly situation and if people are going to be unable to accumulate the materials that they need and be able to and they need to be have somewhere to go and that place needs to be warm and it needs to be consistently available additionally we are urging the reopening of the community Assistance Center on record Street for women and families women and families are often underserved the cares campus is not a sufficient shelter it is inhumane there is it is dangerous for a lot of people we have heard so many really appalling stories from people that have been forced to stay at the Care's campus because people that are sweeping them off the street point that as you need to be off the street you need to go to the cares campus and it is not safe for a lot of people and especially for not women and not for women and Families Our Place is a great resource but it is consistently full and on top of Karis campus being insufficient it is also consistently full even in the summer in the winter it is just not enough so we need 24 7 warming centers and we need um the rec the community center Assistance Center on record Street um and that can provide resources as well as temporary housing but we need a place for people to go when the winter comes any death any injury that happens because of the cold I know that that was completely preventable and that prevention starts here Mr Sims uh hello city council members um of course most of you know me my name is Bill Sims for the record and I am here today like my fellow Advocates um to ask uh everything that was just asked um by my fellow Advocate but also because we are here that we are here to ask that since we know winter is soon a hand that you sincerely look into reopening the record Street Shelter because we all should want to make sure that all members of our community don't have any more of a possibility of being in a life or death situation due to the extreme cold temperatures soon to be a hand that we have actually seen in the past I heard at our County meeting on Monday that the record uh Street Shelter cannot be currently in use because mainly of a non-functioning elevator and a Wiki roof and so I am here to ask that all of you on this Council get together to see what you can do for your community to find ways to get those issues fixed because I know it's a money issue and I'm not saying be simple but it is something that can be done given that building has been closed for almost two years and nothing is being done with it um and so because we need to reopen the shelter I really hope that you guys will sincerely look into doing that because of the fact that that could be used for the women and families that are essentially overflow of our place and given that we know our place is constantly and consistently full uh that is something that would really help our community and so um I know there are a few more of my Advocates here that will probably be able to say what I am trying to say more eloquently than I am and so I uh just again really do please urge you guys to look into this because seriously I live right down the street from the record straight shelter I walked by the poor self sign in the window all the time and while yes I understand you guys want to sell it in the meantime you could be using it to help your householders community uh to make sure that there aren't people that are going to potentially freeze to death with one upcoming and so uh just like the county I hope you guys can get together to make a plan to deal with what is upcoming in the winter and make sure that we don't have any more deaths than we need because there's no excuse for one and again like I said I know it sounds simple but it can be done thank you thank you Mr Sims Mr botman Mr manager did he say that the is for sale our property on record Street the CAC is not for sale it's not being marketed for sale not at the moment no we haven't discussed that either here not to my knowledge okay I just I heard something that I thought was information new information to me and I just wanted to clarify yeah thank you Miss breakfast Mr arbotman welcome morning yeah just speaking on two things today so um one winter preparedness plan and two agendizing doing something with the community Assistance Center so as far as the first one goes I know it's obviously not something we like to talk about but um doesn't make Reno look good but yeah people die here every year from exposure to the cold um at least a few dozen people every year and you know it's it it's sad and certainly it's not an easy thing to prevent but it is unacceptable especially when there are things we can do so one thing we're asking for today is yeah winter preparedness plan by October 1st and specifically that means opening up warming centers now we don't have to go to the drawing board this is actually something that happens all across the country just a brief internet search showed me that Denver in December of 2022 opened up the Coliseum as a 24 Center warming Center um for about 225 people as well as a downtown YMCA those were open on any day when it got you know too cold basically to be outside and in addition libraries and rec centers were available as warming centers just during their open hours during the winter time so that's something that would be I would say a pretty easy uh task um I understand that Staffing might be an issue but if we come up with a plan and we put the word out there I'm sure that whatever Staffing gaps there are will be filled by eager volunteers and Advocates to help this actually happen the important thing is having a plan ahead of time right so we do need to start working on this now right it's still kind of warm outside but if we have a good plan for the winter I don't see why we the City of Reno can't do one of those like zero fatality campaigns right like they do for drunk driving we know that the zero fatality campaign rarely actually means zero people die as a result of drunk driving but the campaign and the intentions behind it are good I think we can do a similar Zero fatalities during the winter right for uh from cold exposure even if we don't get zero I think just that intention and some proactive movement on that front will um will certainly save lives second I'd like to ask the council to agendize either the sale or transfer to the county or some repurposing of the community Assistance Center it is a turnkey facility it might need a little bit of work but it is there and it can be used for some purposes right I'm not saying that it has to be turned into a state-of-the-art facility but it is certainly functional it is a building right it has bathrooms it has Plumbing it has Windows Doors all kinds of things um specifically it would be great as a transitional housing facility right in the long run for overflow from our place as we know the housing crisis is not solved by shelters right the housing crisis is solved by transitional support of housing which means that people such as the families that stay at our place for a long time once they're there and they're back on their feet they actually need another place to go that's not their permanent location right that's not where they're supposed to live so they need a place to go and oftentimes that can be very difficult in this market right so a transitional Supportive Housing facility would actually be a great stepping stone it's totally within the purview of the city to do something like that um finally just on that same note that doesn't mean that in the meantime right it can't be used as a warming Center in the winter time right the fact the matter is I think we can use that facility for something useful uh at this point it's basically just a big empty building I hope everyone here knows that there's nothing happening in there right now thank you Mr robotman thank you so much for being here I'll let you know that the mayor and I are working with the faith-based community to figure out a way for churches to become engaged in the space as well so there is work done you love to uh chat with you offline about it okay thanks bodily Handler Handler Mr Edgerton welcome nice to see you as always good morning it's good to see you Kyle Edgerton for the record resident of Ward 3. I just had a quick comment on agenda item D4 I understand it's just a staff report today so nothing uh for big action but this is um to adjust the the city code to implement or comply with SB 92 regarding sidewalk vendors and I'm here semi on behalf of make the road Nevada the Nevada immigrant Coalition just folks that are engaged in that part of our community my understanding is the discussions between staff and make the road have been very productive and so I want to thank the staff for that um and uh I follow these recommendations coming from make the road to as as the uh as staff prepares a report on that and and puts forth recommendations um I think that uh there's a couple things we could consider tinkering I understand there's some design requirements that are being considered that would be potentially more restrictive potentially increased costs um make compliance more difficult um citing or location is also a bit tricky I think probably better to keep these carts mobile allow people to to ambulate and get to where service is going to be most most effective and then also from a licensure standpoint um no obvious reason to me why this needs to be a special license as opposed to just a standard one and so those are some recommendations that I think are coming from the community I want to give voice to those and urge uh staff in the city to to implement those as the process goes along but at a high level um this this seems like a positive development for the city um and I hope that this will help unlock some economic and social benefit from having folks selling and playing their trades in our communities so thank you appreciate the today's consideration Mr Shrimp good morning everybody thank you for being here as always and it's a lot of work so thank you for doing it uh I'm a member of the neighborhood advisor board Ward one and something came through there the other day that made me think about something about our process in the city that maybe we can improve and it had to do with noticing um tenants and Renters of properties an applicant wanted to put in a special permit for some property in a shopping center I'm not particularly wrong with the application or strange or anything like that but the neighbor advisor board asked a question well what do the neighbors think since the short answer is the neighbors don't even know what's happening because the notifications go to the property owner and the property owner was actually the applicant so the neighboring businesses don't know that another different kind of business that requires a special use permit is coming in to be their neighbors potentially there's no notification for that so on the commercial side of things the city already has everything that they need to notice these folks you already have everything because it's licensed businesses we have their contact information so it'd be great if we can let the neighbors know it'd be great if we could follow through with this on residential obviously that's a little more complicated because you don't already have a central database with everybody's contact info but it really kind of comes to are you a renter or a lessee and are you a second class citizen or not and that's kind of what that is and what really made me think about that was the folks who were presenting this this is a couple of lawyers and I asked them the question well do the neighbors know and I said well nobody's complained nobody said anything and well yeah because they don't know but a property owner does know so you know to to hear that and to hear what Mr Brooks was talking about women you know owning property earlier today and things of that nature is like there's something we can probably improve on do a little bit better so I just want to bring it to your attention give it a little food for thought and thank you for your time and Bill would you state your name for the record sure Bill shrimp thank you so much thanks for your service on the NAB appreciate that Natalie Handler Miss Handler welcome hello Natalie Handler for the record I'm here to ask you all again to reopen the community Assistance Center at record Street to serve the women and families who have nowhere to live but the streets at Monday's Community homeless Advisory Board it was stated by homeless services manager Dana Searcy that 30 families are on a waitlist for a shelter at our place at any given time and the single women are often at capacity single women still do not feel safe at cares campus as was reported by two residents at Monday's meetings Advocates have been telling you of these issues for years now it's time to take action and do what is necessary with the resources that exist to create safe shelter and transitional housing for women and children the City of Reno can take action to remedy this crisis by making an assessment of what repairs are needed at the community assistant center at record Street we hear that the elevator may be broken let's fix it and that there may be a leaky roof let's fix that too this building is around 16 years old and cost the city 20 million to build it has a capacity to hold 135 people in apartment style units in addition to hosting up to 40 people in overflow and did just that a couple years ago once everyone was transitioned to Care's campus it went on to shelter 35 vets for another year or so I can't imagine that it is in such a state of disrepair that we would just let this vital public resource slip away during a time of great need to be turned into a baseball park or whatever idea has been thrown around families will be torn apart or worse if they can't get off the streets and we cannot let that happen please sell lease or make whatever Arrangements necessary with the county for them to take over this building and utilize it as an overflow flow for this demographic rise who operates our place is still willing to run the operations and continues to run the best model in our region you saw their proposal back in December 2021 when we were making this exact same plea if the limitation is that the charter rule states only one shelter can operate in city limits then let this building fill the role of transitional Supportive Housing for women and families those who are ready to move out of the shelter services at our place and on to the next step in acquiring permanent housing can move into these transitional apartment units at record Street this would make more vets available at drop-in level and give families a means to continue making strides towards success another vital issue is the need for improved winter preparedness plan because shelters are in Your Capacity and in even in fair weather and unhoused people are spread out across the city and lack Transportation or have mobility issues we need warming centers city-wide the cares campus garage bays are not adequate for all demographics we would like to see at least one warming Center per Ward open through October 1st through April 30th or anytime the temperatures are below 40. they should be accessible 24 hours each day please commit to Preparing a winter preparedness plan ready by October 1st so that the advocate Community can distribute information on any known warming centers to those who may need it in advance of winter and if manager Thornley can agendize the discussion of the record Street property community Assistance Center so we can all discuss it in a public format such as this that would be amazing we'd like to understand why that building can't be utilized or collaborate with you if it can thank you so much Miss Handler if you'll make sure you meet with my staff outside they'll get a meeting for us I want you to understand there's a lot going on at the community Assistance Center it's not yeah I'd love to talk about with you yeah we'll have the opportunity to talk about it it'll probably be something that we'll talk about in the very near future in a public meeting but I want to give you the information that you've requested so Mr Shaw will meet with you to set up a meeting for them Mr manager she mentioned that the charter she I can't speak in between no Miss brackets I haven't recognized you but thank you um Mr manager can you make sure that Miss breakfast gets the same memo that all of us have received everyone's received that memo thank you so much this morning it went I'm sorry what did you say about a memo there's a memo at your place there's the same memo at everyone's place Miss townsell Jake Maynard followed by Street Townsville followed by Tom Dunn hi there Jake Maynard for the record um I'd like to Echo basically what has already been said um I'm here to ask for you to agendize the Sailor transfer of the record Street Community Assistance Center um specifically for transitional Supportive Housing for families and single women uh like Natalie mentioned at the community homeless Advisory board on Monday there are at least currently at least 30 families who are currently unhoused and also unsheltered um cares does not have the capability to shelter them and Our Place shelter is com consistently full um it's one thing to allow them to remain unsheltered right now um while we're experiencing this weather but uh as has been said as it gets much colder things get more serious um um if you're able to agendize this and move forward on some sort of a project not only will it immediately save lives but in the long term it will further support the efforts uh to transition people out of houselessness um and bolster the capabilities of the already in place Regional services I also want to Echo the calls for winter preparedness plan to be in place before October 1st uh again I want to emphasize that a single warming Center that we've been told is going to be located at the cares campus is not a sufficient solution uh travel distance and transportation is already greatly reduced for a large portion of our unhoused community uh and in the winter that gets even more serious uh and traveling many miles oftentimes to ex to expect people to travel many miles for something as simple as a warming Center is not a sufficient solution and you know we are all uh working on this solution together and have plenty of ideas and have worked at our own capacities for years on this kind of thing and are willing to help uh devise a plan that can serve everyone and save lives thanks thank you Mr Maynard Serene townsel followed by Tom Dunn [Music] um my name is Serene townsell for the record I live here up by UNR I work in Midtown I hang out here all the time I just want to emphasize that I am a local community member I have lots of friends both housed and unhoused in this community so just like my friends back there I'm going to talk about the same things just using slightly different words um first a winter preparedness plan I think should be made public by October 1st before it gets too cold and we're just in responsive mode instead of in preparedness mode um there are many Mutual Aid groups and Grassroots nonprofits that work in direct service of those who are housing insecure they do what they they do what they can to make their knowledge public and they have offered to lend their expertise to this plan so please use it there are experts on growing food and sharing food providing hygiene and supplies and harm reduction kits responding to emergency housing situations they've done a ton of research on best practices and working models for housing like um our friend Ilya said we don't need to start from scratch we just need to get moving on the issue however these on the ground groups lack the financial and physical resources to fully care for everyone and these are the resources that you as the city have and that brings me to the second item which is reopening the record Street Building the city and the county often boasts about their collaborative efforts and I think this is another project that should be undertaken by the city and the county last we were told which was on Monday the reason the building cannot be open immediately is because of a non-operational elevator in a leaky roof I think that these things can be assessed and put out to bid immediately Natalie our friend Natalie brought up the idea of turning this building into a transitional housing in the future which is a wonderful idea according to Dana Searcy from the cares campus there are 30 families on the waiting list and we know how difficult it is to safely Place women and children in shelters so please consider using the record Street Building for this purpose and until then please use it for emergency housing services such as a warming shelter in the winter and then um Devin Reese you mentioned working with faith-based groups I'd like to ask that you keep us in the loop with what you're working on anything regarding um our houseless friends and any Housing Services that you have um along with the expertise from the on our from the people who are working on the ground our direct service teams also have strong relationships with those in need it's not enough that we talk about these Solutions amongst ourselves we also need to include them those who will be receiving the reserve the services as well so you have the power to save lives this winter please use it thank you thank you Mr Dunn good afternoon Mr vice mayor members of council Mr thornland for the record Tom Dunn proudly representing the men and women of the Reno firefighters Association I just want to give you a brief update of what we've been doing over the last month or so and I'm also here to talk in support of four different uh agenda items today on the on the council agenda uh Arena fire department has had almost 60 people on Wildland assignments in Six States including Alaska Washington Oregon California Nevada and Idaho supporting Mutual Aid during this busy Wildland season it's starting to come to to a close because of fortunate weather on our behalf from Hurricane Hillary and some others so hopefully the number of personnel leaving the fire department will start to mitigate here in the next couple weeks we're currently not sending anybody out because we have so much other stuff going on this past Saturday we had a successful event supporting the muscular dystrophy Association The Fill the Boot at this corner of South Virginia and South McCarran was a very successful event this week and for the next three weeks we have 12 Personnel that are attending our fire equipment operator Academy these are firefighters that have three or more years of service that are learning how to safely operate and drive your fire equipment apparatus across the city for efficient and effective response to emergency calls uh this past Monday was September 11th and I'll touch on a couple things for that in 1938 the Reno fireman's Association was incorporated with the Secretary of State's office and on September 11 1942 in the middle of World War II uh the Reno fireman's Association was affiliated with the International Association of firefighters and we were proudly given the local number of 731 so just this past Monday we have we have celebrated our 82nd anniversary as a iff local and we are the longest serving if iaff local in the state of Nevada and finally on September 11th this past week we have celebrated or this week we have celebrated the 22nd anniversary of the September 11th attacks we all know that 343 firefighters eight EMS professionals and several law enforcement officers from both FDA or NYPD and the Port Authority police were killed that day one of the lingering effects that's been happening since September 11th has been Post 9 11 illness due to the recovery at the World Trade Center and just this past week we have reached the Grim Milestone of 341 FDNY employees that have died due to Post 9 11 related illness this number is only going to increase and we expected next week that more firefighters and EMS professionals that worked for the FDNY will have died from post-9 11 illness then actually happened on that day so just like to put that as a point of reference that this is was a tremendous horrific day for our country it was a horrific day for the fire service and it continues to be a horrific milestone for the fire service just do the number of people that we have dying on a weekly basis from 9 11 illness thank you very much thank you Mr Dunn Lily Barron good morning good morning welcome thank you good morning council members um my name is Lily Baron I'm with the ACLU of Nevada and a resident of Ward 3. um I do understand that some of the matters being brought to you are outside of the purview of the council however we're kind of desperate here so we're just going between C Hub and and this body I know that some of you said on seahab as well as um Reno housing authorities who are hoping to cover some of those points and hope that you can advocate for some of these points to those various boards so that we do understand it is not the city's job to solve homelessness we are going to have to exacerbate all of these um these meetings which I'm sure you're aware of um so uh to the point of many of The Advocates before we would like to see whatever the audit of record street is I heard you speak with Miss Handler with your staff so I'll follow up later about that um it is my understanding that Reno Housing Authority has six percent inventory of open housing right now I don't know what that means we don't know how many unit side is we would like to know why people aren't in those units um and so I'm imploring you um councilwoman if possible to inquire about the six percent of empty housing that we have right now and to that point um I find it very disturbing and inappropriate that the sheriffs are conducting uh SWAT type militarized drills on this empty housing when we have people that need to be living in there um speaking of people that need to be living in there I'm going to use probably some 40 seconds of my time to play you a voicemail that I got yesterday from a resident who is does not have substance use disorder they have a job they have an income they are um in their 50s black women um and she has been at cares for over seven weeks is not receiving housing and this is the type of voicemail that I'm getting so I hope that you can understand the sense of urgency that is coming from our community and it's like because I got upset they put a old lady out at least and they don't have anything now they're probably trying to put me on me again [Music] please help me so I'd like to never receive a call like that again and that's that's it thank you Lily would you meet with Miss Bryant outside so we can get a little bit more information of course you did thank you so much I appreciate that she's always three steps ahead of us thanks you for being here Lily all right vice mayor Reese with that we have no additional public comment I would like to State for the records that we did receive 27 comments which were General in nature are not directly associated with an agenda item prior to 4 pm yesterday September 12th these comments were voicemails and or written correspondents received via our reno.gov online public comment form by email to our office or by voicemail comments copies of these comments have been transcribed distributed to the Reno city council and are available to the public on reno.gov 13 in favor four in opposition and 10 of concern and with that we are closing general public comment and moving on to item A4 approval of the agenda okay Mr manager do we have any changes to the agenda as you know them currently um we have some updates that I think are are relevant as you know um council member doers on the phone I understand that her schedule is a little limited so the redistricting matter may need to be taken out of order during the course of this meeting um I2 one of the appeals for this evening we received a request for continuance until the second meeting in October from the appellant earlier today and so because that is a notice public hearing we'll have to deal with that at the time but I wanted to flag that for you early and then we have a presentation from the RTC and in order to make sure that the business of the RTC continues um today unabated that the director asks that we set that for a Time certain and so as close to two o'clock as we can with the the presentation from RTC lovely okay well we'll have a little bit of flexibility accounting for Miss Stewart's needs the rtc's needs we have a break at 12 I think to step outside briefly on the Plaza it sounds like maybe when we open the evening calendar we'll have some discussion about a continuance but borrowing any of those things I'll look for a motion for approval of the agenda for today okay I have a motion by uh council member Taylor second by councilmember Martinez any questions or comments at this time hearing none I'll call for the question all those in favor please signify by saying aye aye aye any opposed motion carries unanimously Mr vice mayor yes Miss Stewart welcome that we do to the um the redistricting item before we break for the noon yeah I think it will play it by ear but we'll be flexible I know that you have some uh obligations and so we're going to be responsive to that for sure Mr vice mayor hold on a second Miss Stewart does that make sense well it does but do you think we could do it before noon I mean we're going to try our absolute hardest oh okay thank you so much Miss breakfast did you have known as the mayoral will be joining us she will be joining us thank you so much she's been with us for most of the conversation okay I did not I'll look for approval of the minutes now A5 Vice May Reese if I might um there is a correction to the August 9th minutes um on item D1 it was reflected that council member Martinez voted as in favor and in fact he should have been logged as voting in opposition of that item so with that one minor change we'll make the correction upon acceptance of these minutes okay thank you with those inundations noted for a sec while we track that please um excuse me could we just hold for a second while we track that D1 in the A51 item from August 9th it was August 9th August 9th item D1 D is in David that's correct and it was the South Virginia Mr um Martinez voted in favor no he voted in opposition so we will be making that correction okay so the little box is incorrect so the Nays were breckus Taylor and Martinez correct thank you thank you for slowing down on that no worries um any additional comments at this time hearing none I'll call for a motion motion to approve I have a motion for Mr Martinez II by Miss Taylor any additional questions or comments at this time hearing none I'll call for the question all those in favor please signify by saying aye aye aye any opposed motion carries unanimously Madam clerk the consent agenda is there public comment on this item we do have public comment on this item Mr vice mayor we have Tom Dunn and Richard J is interested in making a public comment on item b26 if necessary I don't know what that means Mr J is welcome always in the chambers Mr Dunn you're up first once again Mr vice mayor members of council Madam mayor for the record Tom Dunn representing men and women with Reno firefighters Association we are here in support today of items B16 17 and 18. B16 deals with the agreement to hire a legal firm to represent the City of Reno and the pfos lawsuit issues one of the things that's happened in the fire service that we have recently become aware of in the last five years is that pfas is in all facets of our community it's been in the firefighting foam that the fire departments across the country have used for uh Generations it is also now in our turnout equipment and what we believe is happening scientifically and there's a lot of other testing that's currently going on with our existing materials that we're using for our turnouts is that when we're exposed to the high heat temperatures and steam that we are faced with in fires our turnout gear is off-gassing and when we're in those hot Smoky dangerous environment tournaments one of the things that happens is our skin becomes elastic and it increases and expands and we believe what is happening scientifically is that as our skin expands now we have those horrible chemicals that were you know the byproducts of combustion of fire but it's also our turnout gear off-gassing those chemicals get absorbed into our skin gets into our system and then starts messing with us medically biologically moving forward so we are in support of this legislation hopefully that uh you know there will be at some point in the industry will be some resolution B17 deals with the approval of the fire equipment apparatus replacement program we have been long-standing stewards of the public stallers and more importantly ensuring that we have proper equipment to provide service to our community and therefore we're in support of the current and continuing Fleet replacement program and finally on B18 that we are in support of the acceptance of the grant notice for the wild fuels Wildfire fuels reduction Pro program once again we've been good stewards of the community we have these wooey fires that happen across the country we've seen them in places that they've traditionally never happened before and in my short 24-year service here in the fire department I've been on multiple fires across multiple States it used to be if you were lucky you lost one or two homes during a Wildland Urban interface fire um since my start in the fire department here at the City of Reno we have been seen in incidents both in our community where we've had dozens of homes burnt Colorado and California we've seen thousands of homes burned and now recently in Hawaii we've seen thousands of homes businesses residences livelihoods completely destroyed by Wildland Urban interface fire so we are in support of any and all grant opportunities and funding to provide Wildland Urban interface fuels reduction within the City of Reno thank you okay Mr Jay did you wish to speak at this time okay I'm going to come back to you madam clerk any other additional public comments on this time we have no public comments researchers public comments on the consent agenda item is that correct that's correct so we have no public comment registered and have not received any correspondence okay I want to go now to Mr manager because I think that we have the opportunity now to head to the redistricting item before we take the consent agenda items great okay so Madam Court can we reset and move to that item or do we have to first pull agenda items is that what you'd like to do disclosures and pull items approve everything else on consent so that those are interested and then we'll come back to the polled items after redistricting okay well let's do that then can I first ask are there any Council who wish to pull any items or read any disclosures at this time Miss breakfast I'd like to pull off B1 B16 hold on one second 1 and 16 26. and I believe that is it okay thank you so much any other colleagues have anything to pull at this time Mr Martinez nothing Miss Taylor Miss Ebert do you have any items to be pulled yeah b11 b11 B12 b19 and B22 a 19 and 22. okay I don't have anything Madame mayor all right nothing okay councilmember door has her hand up vice mayor oh councilmember Dewar did you have an item to be pulled from the consent agenda um yes I did um let me just check uh was B-17 cold I wanted to pull that no it's not pulled but it is now okay B20 and b23 let me just check uh I think that's it okay so vice mayor just for the record we have B1 b11 B16 17 20 oh I'm sorry uh 17 19 20 22 23 and 26. okay I have the same okay so we're looking for a motion to approve the non-approved okay for the all the other items please okay I have a motion by Madam mayor second by Miss Taylor any additional questions or comments at this time hearing none I'll call for the question all those in favor please signify by saying aye aye and the opposed motion carries unanimously thank you madam clerk I also asked for disclosures were there any that I uh did not pause to hear none that I'm aware of okay let's then go now to the uh ordinance I guess it is the ordinance adoption what item are we on F4 Frank four that is correct item F4 okay Mr Hall Mr Shipman would you uh introduce and read for us please yes this ordinance adoption ordinance number six six five nine importance to men title one chapter 1.02.010 for the Reno Municipal Code titled Ward boundaries and official city map to change the city of Arena award boundaries and create a Sixth Ward on the official city map is required by section 1.050 of the Reno City Charter and providing matters properly relating there too Madam clerk do we have any public comments on this item we do not have any public comment registered and we have not received any correspondence yeah I'll come now to council any questions or discussion by this Council hearing nunnel ask for a motion please uh Mr vice mayor uh Miss Dewar yeah I'll make a motion on item F4 and I I want to be clear though do we need to specify uh map e Mr Hall Mr Shipman that was the original um introductory motion yeah so I think it's as written then yeah yes Miss do or Mr Hall's indicating as written and as introduced as written okay okay as written and as introduced okay I have a motion by councilmember Dewer a second by Madame mayor any additional questions or comments at the time yeah I um I I um I think we developments and it's introduction and my opposition is enhanced by the stating of intention of Miss doer to run for a seat in the Nevada legislature which if she is successful will then in after uh November of 24 or or November of 24 or January of 25 lead to this body having a choice to appoint into that Ward which will I believe be the new Ward 2 where she and I are situated right now a new someone to fill her seed I think she knew about this you know when she when she supported Ward map e and it creates another situation where this body will be asked if she is successful to make an appointment we don't have a resign to run rule in Nevada but I would hope that Miss Stewart if she is successful in advance would State a willingness to resign so that a special election could be held to fill that seed in concert with the 24 November election thank you okay any other questions or comments at this time um I'd like to clarify Mr Stewart the floor is yours yes I had no knowledge of uh that I plan to run when we dealt with uh the redistricting I just want to put that on the record thank you thank you Miss Stewart okay hearing no additional comments or questions this time I'll call for the question all those in favor please signify by saying aye aye any opposed name opposed okay motion carries five to two okay Madam clerk can you get us back on track I think we're back to the consented agenda items pulled the first one would be B1 B1 pulled by council member breckis yeah hold on one second let's just get re-sentuated Mr ferrado welcome item B1 good morning Mount America council members for the record Lance for auto director of business licensing um a brief presentation here so before you today are two applications one for non-restricted gaming the other for on-premise alcohol this item was previously before you on July 26th and was ultimately referred back to staff for review previous Council action not necessarily specific to this applicant revolved around the current licensee and the preservation of the non-restricted gaming use that has been an active been active since 1947. in 2020 hair is closed at which time sartini gaming applied to operate on temporary basis in order to preserve the non-conforming use which approved which was approved unanimously by this body as I said the property and its use have been constant for 75 years making the city making meaning from the city's perspective The non-re60 Gaming use is grandfathered for the purposes of compliance with the minimum number of hotel rooms minimum lot size maximum gaming space Etc I think by this point everyone's familiar with the proposed location and the unique addressing uh of the premises but here again is for a visual that uh that's the the block there the entire block and then the red outlined hashed area is where the uh the operation would would occur um as a refresher as well the the proposed operation consists of multiple restaurants slot machines and on-premise alcohol and uh lastly as I said this item was referred back to staff when it was before you in July Council requested the staff re-examine the need for a permit a need for a conditional use permit due to concerns that code was interpreting correctly in doing so staff concluded that no such permit is required the use of this property existed prior to any of the current Title 18 commercial use standards and is therefore considered to be non-conforming in nature further the use has been constant and never been abandoned so it does not trigger the need for a conditional use permit and with that I had stack Revenue Nation for approval and I'm happy to answer any questions and just for awareness we have the applicant available and the building owner as well and uh happy to answer any questions thank you okay Miss breakfast this item was pulled by you yeah and I may have questions I don't know if you're supported by anyone from that department yes ma'am planning is available for questions as well okay so um you said the use has been constant that's right um how can you explain the constants of uh you know a full gaming operation which Hera's had and I think I read somewhere 1200 devices then it went down to 16 and now it's going up to 197. how do you under you know and complexity of an operation call that a constant so basically it's a non-restricted gaming use and non-restricted gaming until 16 plus machines or any other type of gaming so the use has not changed from no matter if it was 800 machines 16 machines 197 machines then honorship to Gaming use has not has not c-stopper operations maybe planning needs to come up because the non-conforming ordinance states that they should not be expanded or enlarged so I'm seeing going from 16 up to 197 as an expansion in an enlargement sure and I know how to count sure I I can defer to planning on that question Ms Foose welcome thank you Angela Foose assistant director for development services we concur with what land just lands just said because it's unrestricted we don't count the number of machines what we're looking at is square footage of the building so if they were expanding the building then that would be expansion of a non-conforming use so that's how you interpret it is the expansion of the building correct so let me ask you this because I'm really I don't agree and you know I think you know I I know this code I've worked in it for 20 years I have a graduate degree in planning I don't agree with that analysis on base practice and just a plain reading but I want to ask you a a question here because it's the building it's not the intensity of the use is what I'm hearing from you what I'm saying is we don't count the number of slot machines unrestricted so the slot machines they can go more than 16 and we don't count how many more they go above that okay so and you know that things maybe are being done differently but there was always I recall a process by the development services the planning department to characterize a non-conforming use you know open 24 hours this many drive-through aisles whatever so you don't have any characterization of this so let's say Mr fine gets this and he gets spooked there's a lot going on on this property um someone comes in next and they're just Mega Dotties or Mega whatever is it your interpretation that they can just come in and rely upon the non-conformance status to put slot machines wherever on the building so White House buildings yeah we'd have to look at this on a case-by-case basis because I'm not sure of the specifics that you're referring to but in this case the square footage of the gaming piece is going down we're not looking at again how many slot machines they have it's the square footage of the use they went from when it was I think about 40 000 square feet and now that I think they're closer to about 4 000 square feet of Gaming use so that's not an expansion I haven't seen in the record where it's 40 000 square feet do you have that in some file somewhere that shows that Harris had forty thousand where it was we do okay how come that never got came to us well we can provide it to you now that you are asking that question we can give it to you I thought I thought I did because um just conceptually so people know and if I have to skip and go around the other two finish the thought thank you so much the concept are uses uses that at one point with their policy and Regulatory change they're expect to expire over time so they're not supposed to live and get permutations if they do and there's a good reason then the code says the council will make that determination now gaming is allowed in this environment okay gaming is allowed so it's really not even a non-conforming it just has to be tied to rooms and it this one is tied to rooms so there really is a big question here but I think our staff is doing us a disservice I think the conditional use permit should have been required and I'll just give you a couple examples that's my reading I walked went over and Mr fine I think has gotten some bad advice from a number of people and I think he's well attention I hope either to make himself good or open this project but a conditional use permit would have allowed this body to go outside the Harris Building where those columns are and put a condition to paint it put a condition that we're not going to have fencing all around it could put a condition that that building which is encapsulated this tenant space encapsulating a much bigger structure is going to have some things done to it to meet our goals as it is he just gets to go in and the landlord you know who he's renting from gets to do whatever they want keep all the fencing Up on Second Street so people can't walk there flaking pay down in the columns that's what's happening it is not right staff has set us wrong I am very disturbed by this but you know what I'm gonna vote for it if there's a motion because I feel that we've had some very poor guidance to Mr fine through this but I want to let the council know how you're being let down and go by walk down Virginia Street and see that chipping pain on there and know that you had a chance if staff had made what I believe is the true administration of the code to hold some greater standards to that structure we'll see what happens maybe they will paint it but there's other factors that were being let down on on this non-conformity thank you Miss breakfast thank you um Miss Ebert um and Mr fine just for our Chambers just identify yourself for the record and then if Mr Sandy will do the same thing sure and this won't come off Miss Ebert's time sorry good morning uh Jonathan fine thank you so I did John Sandy sorry thanks I did take a tour of the location yesterday just to disclose that um so I have some questions I'm also going to support but I have some more questions about the parking um I know we discussed it that you would be parking in the parking structure um can you just give a little bit more information about that yeah yes and and to identify some of your concerns too um we will not open until the plaza is complete um and it needs to to conform to the standards of Reno I know that you guys had um some uses you need additional lighting there's a lot of foliage we like the trees the shade the ability to to do events when it's hot um control the temperature when it's cold um securing it as well having security walk around with cameras that's extremely important to us um and um to get to address your concern uh the parking we have to have sufficient parking in the parking garage that was that was the Harrah's parking garage so that will be reopened to a higher standard of where it is today because I've been parking my car there for for two years my rental car when I come into town but I've been parking in it for two years and it will the sky Bridge from that parking garage will be completed into into the space as well okay so we have people parking in the parking structure and you mentioned there would be valet parking where would people pull up to valet their car as of right now the valet parking is in the um it's a little sub lot um right adjacent to the plaza so you would be um pulling off University and and entering back on to University okay so once people get in the parking structure and they're they're going to walk over the bridge um how how are they going through the building to access your your location uh to access my location they will have to take an elevator down to the first floor walk through common area um to access as if I'm a tenant in a mall a shopping mall uh the same goes for if people are entering from Virginia um or any any of the other streets they they do not have direct access not to the restaurants not to the bars not to the gaming floor uh the gaming floor they actually have to walk through my space on two of the entrances to get through so you have to walk through a fine dining restaurant or they have to walk through the Parkway Tavern which is the beer garden okay so they're taking an elevator down so what's happening on the floor above where they're they're taking an elevator that's the sky bridge I believe there is a leasing office for um some of the apartments or I don't know if they're uh apartments or if they're going to be uh sort of a Airbnb hotel but there'll be a leasing office up there for that um they'll have a representation on the first floor as well that's from the landlord but there's no direct access through any gaming any bar any restaurant to get to any of the residential they can park their car in the garage walk straight across the bridge go straight up to their unit okay so it'll be like we'll go access the elevator to your established meant through the same area correct and I believe there's some small retail up there and it looks like there's a an area for um you know foosball and some games and sitting areas as well okay and will there be private security or any kind of security at the parking structure or in this hallway area for people coming and going yes there is um 24-hour security by the landlord cameras monitored 24 hours and then we separately have our own security 24 hours as well okay any other questions from the body oh Madam mayor thank you um first of all do have a presentation today we do okay um that's important that was um a sticking point the last time that we looked at this the other thing I would like to ask is this going to have smoking as of right now we're non-smoking um the restaurants will for sure be non-smoking um but we did uh spend an extra seven hundred thousand dollars on an HVAC system to clean the air in the in the gaming area if um if it if it becomes a problem conducting business I personally do not like smoking um so I would I would really like to keep it non-smoking what what would and the landlord as well um asked me to keep it non-smoking the landlord did I'm also curious in your lease you talked about um that it was really important to activate the outside um is that in your lease um well there's uh there is a um the hotel element is um being yeah it's it's being looked at by a music concept which at that at which point we would have to share the responsibilities of activating I would like to activate it you know a minimum of five days a week um but if they've got concerts and shows I've got to I have to conform to them putting on a concert so if anything it's going to be more with them but uh right this is in the plaza it's in the plaza as well as some of some of you who walked through yesterday the Sammy Davis Junior Theater which is right adjacent to my space so both of those have to also um be um worked on by not just me but um the other tenant of the of the landlord I guess part of my fear is you know does it end up a parking lot right um so if it's in your lease obviously they have to be held accountable because I think it's it's also difficult because we really don't know what's sort of happening at this property at right now I mean I don't I mean one minute I heard it was you know upper auction the next minute and and so that creates a lot of uncertainty so how do I know that that doesn't end up a parking lot I have in my lease that they have to complete it to the spec in the presentation that you see it's got the trees it's got the sitting area it's got the walkways and the paths the lighting has the amphitheater I believe it's a 17 foot um or 14 foot tall by 40 foot long or 30 foot long LED screen above the staging um I don't know if we can pull the the picture up but this is this is the how they have to deliver this space to us um maybe if you have a presentation put up the do you wanna Mr Sandy do you want to do a presentation we we can absolutely uh discuss the the more finer details of what part Tavern or Park uh Parkway Tavern is uh we do have the owner of the building here he actually drove in from Boise uh to be here to support us um and so questions you have about you know leasing offices and what the rest of the building uh is going to look like the the update on from the auction that got postponed uh Philip here would uh would have a lot of that information and then maybe after he had a chance to answer some of those questions we'd be happy to explain a little more about Parkway Tavern um and the boulevard I think that would be great just because Council really knows where we're at um one of the things and we've pushed and pushed and the reason why this is so important is that we push for residential downtown and because that will trigger a lot more uses downtown that's one of the reasons why it's been very hard to get grocery down there you know you have to have so many residential units and that's where you know this was the project what that we understood it would be residential what is the fate of this project because at this point we don't know and I think councilwoman breakfast brings up some good points about you know a conditional use permit where it does trigger um so that it you know doesn't look like it does right now and I think this Council gets a little shy of gun shy in the fact that we have seen numerous projects that come in and they say they're going to be one thing and they're totally a different thing now I will tell you Mr fine I've seen what you do it I love your concept love it um so I think it's fantastic but I also hope that there has been some really honest conversation with Mr fine about what the future is and the fate of this project um because when we look at residential we don't typically see a gaming use and the one thing that I it comes to mind is when we look at like student housing those those types of things so I I don't think this Council really knows um what your your future plans are and the vision and maybe you can kind of calm some of those concerns Council so first off on the uh can you please state your name for the record Philip Wilson uh co-managing member of the gpwm funds which on the equity interest in the project um so the courtyard and the activation of the courtyard um I think he might have interpreted activation as far as activities happening on it but but as far as the completion of that space that is high priority that's one of our first areas of focus um for the project from where we are right now in conjunction with their with their space is that courtyard activity of completion as well as the Ingress egress into the property in that common area which also addresses the exterior of the Bank building uh that the paint like you know that was referenced as well a lot of the the process happens kind of from the inside out so the public doesn't really see a lot of that and I want to go through a lot of the details but there's been a lot of complexities with the project because of the asbestos remediation those types of things that and Discovery in such old buildings and the conglomeration of old buildings that you have to solve as you go to before you get to the outside before some of those things are done in terms of the residential absolutely the North Tower close us to the archway and the south tower that that L shape of these two so those two towers that is the predominant portion of of the the rooms there and those are absolutely residential um the no the East Tower closest to the ball field is the one that has been operating and as a hotel we have a lease with a group that's going to operate and improve that hotel that again has the their plans to also be involved with the Sammy Davis Theater the bringing back the steakhouse some of those other historical important elements for the city as well but we recognized for a project like this it really is the activation of the whole project out of a lot a lot of different spaces it's not as good for the or the restaurant to not have the residential there it's it's helpful for the whole project it was a definite disappointing blow to have the primary office tenant vacate their lease when they did at that point because that was another part that was going to be beneficial for the restaurant for the activation of the of the project but we're Confident by activating those other spaces that we'll get a good tenant there and that's going to be good for the residential it's going to be good for the residential okay all those areas but but any other questions on we are completely uh in in favor of Jonathan the plans we we do communicate and a lot of the prioritization we've got to the project is it's not going to all open up day one in one area but the first part of the project is likely to open up is going to be his space and from the courtyard in those areas and so that is a priority for our completion okay thank you let me um ask a few questions so Mr fine I had the chance to see some of the improvements are being made how how much have you invested in this location so far to this point we put 9 million in what is the how soon will you be able to open once uh you get through this process if you're so fortunate to do so what is the plan if we were fully on site which after three weeks ago the the meeting our general contractor took a step back um it's about 60 days more of construction all the mechanical electrical Plumbing is in It's Just Cabinets finishes that need to be put in well but I assume that also the plaza has to be done before you are ready to do that so who wants to speak to that one is the plaza to see you've got a beautiful picture here on the screen it's not quite um level which makes my OCD brain a little crazy but there you go when are we going to see that so um more field than under what I understand more field is the general contractor that's being brought in by the owner they are going to complete areas of concern in our space the common areas as well as the plaza and at which point when they're substantially complete of that then we will re-engage and we'll we'll take off pause so we won't even restart the project until we see a substantial completion with those areas because not only because the plaza needs to be done but also because the the the secret room that we found underneath our our um our space that uh that needs to be restructured and then built back into a floor and so which of you find gentlemen can tell us when they're anticipating this Plaza to be finished so the uh um as far as the exact he he was right and I'm less involved on some of these these details but I can absolutely get the answer um but he was correct we do have a a gross Max price contract that that we've got for the completion of the plaza this rendering is not this was an older rendering that walkway is not part of the part of the current plan for the project with with the clear Capital no longer using that parking space um but uh but we do have that there's one question that we've got to get back to on that um and I can probably have that answer before we're done with this meeting someone to text somebody else on that well I think what I want all of you to understand is the reason why the council has some hesitancy is not because we're not rooting for your success Mr Klein what we're hoping for is that this project it's aptly named the Reno City Center is a catalyst for a greater investment in downtown Reno and it's one of the chicken or the egg things right we know that clear Capital pulling out has created the conditions under which this project is not moving forward as quickly as you had hoped it would our hope is of course that because you are substantial complete on the residential because I've been in a number of the residential floors they're gorgeous I mean they are an incredible opportunity for someone to have that kind of urban living but of course what we had hoped and you know none of us foresaw a global pandemic a change to the credit Market some of the conditions that you're operating under but we had hoped for a Trader Joe's in the old Harris side of it where the ballet was we had hoped for a lot of things now we're trying to create the opportunity and the conditions for that Vision to come forward I'm going to be supporting the applicant's decision uh here and in in terms of this for a variety of reasons but one of them is because I believe that it is that chicken or the egg thing we're trying to figure out how we can reinvigorate this particular project so that you can go out and be successful and make the next steps and so I again it's not that we are critical of what you're trying to accomplish it's that we have uh I think a mayor who has had a bold vision for downtown's bright future and wants to make sure we get it right because we have certainly gotten it wrong before and we've also had that thing that mayor shivi talked about which is a little bit of a bait and switch where a person says hey I'm coming in and I'm going to put a you know a small Whole Foods in here and we'd show up and it's a Twinkie and uh hot dogs on the counter we don't want that for the site and and so I apologize for going over my allotted time but I just want to share with you our goal is to be a good partner to you in your endeavors and so that's why you you can hear some of the hesitancy let me come back to my colleagues in the body Miss Ebert I think you had some oh miss doer you you would be up first can I come to you now sure okay the floor is yours and Miss Ebert I'll come to you after Miss Doer okay thank you uh gentlemen for being here I was particularly interested to hear what um the the vision was for the overall building and I I think I heard apartments and and we heard that some of them are substantially complete but we also heard Mr Chris Beaver pull out of this project because it was portrayed to now have a hotel component I didn't hear you mention that is that still on the table the the part of Chris before pulling out or about the uh the hotel about yeah I don't want to public comment on on that that aspect of it um but uh well I'm just asking are you planning a hotel yeah yes we are we are planning a hotel for for the tower closest to the ballpark only the other two towers are going to be residential and and also not condos but but Apartments that's been something I've when I get Ubers back to the airport I hear about that question a few times but but they are going to be Apartments not not condos okay um I'm glad you're here because um you said you were and maybe I missed it you said you were going to address this auction um it did not occur yesterday you said no no we're yeah we're actually um in negotiations with the lender um to to avert that this having the auction in place while we're going through this process is standard standard play for for a lender um but we are moving forward with good faith with them um and uh I feel like we have a plan to uh to complete that with them we're actually feeling very very good about where we are and then I was going to ask you about the Skyway and then I think you referenced it in the discussion on the Plaza you said you're not moving forward with that anymore correct yeah the the idea of the sky Bridge was actually uh went with the clear capital and their parking and it was one of their demands at the time as a tenant for their employees to actually go directly from the parking directly into the office right and again we our view has actually been again to activate that that area is to have the increase of of life and activity in the downtown I actually didn't like the idea the ground floor yeah absolutely through the city not just having a walkway from the garage to the building but but to basically have people feel comfortable being in the plaza being walking into the project from any entrance um and so I'm actually pleased at the park yeah the walkway's not part of it now oh for the last few years we have not supported skyways for the very point that you are making which is that then we don't activate the sidewalk space I had some similar concerns about the streetscape I'm not sure I heard chicken and egg a few times but I'm not sure you're you're planning to build it out for uh the sky tower excuse me for the Parkway Tavern is that right it's not just for the Parkway Tavern um it's we recognize the the location of that again being Reno City's Center be having that much way right on the corner of the property I I walk when I'm in downtown you see people taking those those pictures having on the background and just recognizing what the background of that background is we that's that's going to change um this this the whole area is going to be reactivated there's a lot of a green space lighting up that area making it more inviting into the property it's certainly not gonna be a parking garage there is on the the north side there's a small is that me or you it's okay Miss Stewart has a few more seconds and she'd love to hear your answer okay um there is a small little maintenance mechanical building there with the chillers and things like that there's a little drive that comes through there there was some um uh EV charging that's there off of University that'll come through but it's not going to be a parking lot by any means and did you Mr Reese asked you a question I think about the timing of these and I think that um Mr fine said that his opening was dependent upon you fixing and then Mr Reese asked you when that might be and I'm not sure I heard the answer yeah and I didn't send that text either but I know that we've got in the detail of that bid how long that process is going to take to basically have um adjoining with his time that those things can be scheduled I see okay I'll come back for a second round Mr Reese okay thank you Mr or Miss Ebert can we go back to the picture of the outside area of the landscape yeah we just had it on the Elmo it wasn't uh yeah yeah there okay so this is not going to be where we have the access to the valet parking so um I would say the screen yeah it's going to be probably close to where those the crowded people are right there there currently is from University just past me almost get to the street then the left there and right now it's gated off um there you'll see a few um vehicles that are parked there people that are working on site right now in in that small little parking area that's the part where it will come through okay so if you look in Valley Park there and access this space but otherwise they're gonna have to park parking structure which is literally right across the street from the entrance to valet I mean there's a and there's a crosswalk right there or the sky Bridge through the parking garage of the building so either way okay so I'm just asking how they're gonna act access this particular spot they're going to have to park in the parking structure walk through the building take the elevator down walk through your establishment come out this door to access this space or park somewhere else on the street and walk up to this area I'm just trying to understand no actually yeah so um where's Starbucks is right now um there's to the to the side yeah yeah I understand that that's going to be the quickest way into the space okay so there's not parking really right there so if they want to access this the parking is not really convergent to this particular area that we're trying to activate for for that for that depending on again how you're getting to the property okay absolutely I think that and that's I think the case in a lot of different places but if you're walking you're coming from someplace else after work I mean I'd probably walk on the street right in there if you're coming through the parking garage and that's how you're getting there and it and it's the the former Harris parking garage it'd be like for those of you familiar with the property walking in through the parking garage judge whether by where the registration desk was and then there's those big escalators up those will still be there and then the walkway across the street um and then the um when you get across that walkway the elevators bank is right okay pass the leasing office access elevators signage in there as well okay so that the residents the taverns and go out through the side door to access this great they don't have to go through the tavern so the residents exactly because the residents will be there they can just go up to the room so you'd have to go down a floor to go to the table yeah I'm asking how to get to your parking structure okay so to the plaza um I if I was parking the parking garage I would just walk to the crosswalk right across the street and you're okay right there okay so I'm just trying to understand parking yeah yeah okay okay thank you okay Miss Perkins yeah yeah I don't want to labor the point but all of these you know comments and that's what the council needs individually to you know make their decision on the spout are just really representations they're not in any way binding but it is informative all of this would have been depicted and some of it as relevant and can could have been conditioned okay if the conditional use permit had been required so you know that's you know but building on those two points is one what development rights do they have they have a development right for Sky Bridge those development rights if not exercise lapse based upon what I know I want to know from the manager when that lapse and I certainly would not be looking for an administrative extension of that okay because it's gone secondly I also know a lot of plans change they're not bound to anything but what I heard from Miss Foose is they've got 35 000 more square feet I think I heard I heard that Harris had forty thousand he's only taken five thousand so they've got 35 000 square feet more of gaming anywhere on these premises I don't agree with that and so I would be asking the manager what are the practices of staff looking and working with non-conforming uses and characterizing them because I know that in past years there was a policy of characterizing a non-conforming to exactly knew where it was and what it was so be be aware that from what we heard today you know they don't get this person this person that person they've got 35 000 square foot more of gaming and who knows maybe Dotties or some other Tavern can take the little Bank building side that he's not doing now he'll say oh it's not in the lease I'm the only gaming but you know it's it's our issue and do no they've got 35 000 square feet more of gaming that stop believes is associated with the development right on that property I don't agree could could I address that really quick just uh because I I want to justify those those concerns and I think this body has ample opportunity to uh to vet anybody that would come after Mr fine in a couple of instances so first is uh the gaming the game control approval uh is is capped at 197. so in order for Mr fine or anybody to come after uh Mr fine to increase the number of of games or include table games or something along those lines they would have to get approval from from the gaming commission and then if it wasn't Mr fine if you're about a super daughters or somebody coming in behind him they would have to go through this exact same process that Mr fine is going through and transferring the business license and you doing your privileged license review as a city council so you would that that individual will have to come to you and tell you about the plans that they have and why it makes sense for them to increase the the the footprint of of the gaming in in such a manner that Mr fine is going through today so I just wanted to put that in order well I think Miss Breck has raises a lot of good points um she is the most senior planning knowledgeable person on the body so she's thinking very critically about the things connecting the dots so thank you for answering the question she still makes a valid point I think Mr Sandy I'm going to come now back to the body and see if anyone has any oh man sure just really quickly yep I'll come back to you Miss doer after Miss mayor Madame mayor no I've just one question for Mr Sandy maybe I didn't understand it correctly but um are you saying after the 187 slot machine allowance that um that they couldn't put any more gaming in there and not unless I got Gaming Control approval and it was Mr fine that was making that request so if there was any other applicant to come in after Mr fine that wants to increase they would have to go to Gaming Control Board they'd have to get vetted and the game control board would have to approve an increase in the number of gaming units whether it be slots or table games however that would look they would have to do that if Mr refined with selling the rights to have that gaming company that that company would have to come here through a similar process because they would need a steady business license a privileged license and so they would be vetted by the city just as Mr fine has been vetted and at that point you would be able to ask the questions as to well why is this and it could be subsequent councils from here it could be you know my son might be on Council and and he'll be asking the questions why do you need to increase this use and and uh and so that opportunity for a thorough vetting of whatever this property will be uh will will occur so I'm curious because I thought I read in here something about expansion of 25 000 square feet is did I that's our total square footage including the basement which is 10 000 which is prep kitchens and walk-in coolers and and uh okay wait a minute so that that's interesting because I so I think and maybe I'm wrong but I think you said four thousand square feet but really your whole project is 25 000. that that is correct so he has he is a tenant um in in city center and uh as he has control of 25 000 square feet as as Mr fine just elaborated 10 000 of that is going to be kind of administrative back of the black back office uh space uh the other 15 000 feet is going to be comprised of the two restaurants uh a third bar and a four thousand foot of of the gaming gaming floor so the gaming floor will be a small component of of the restaurants the the two restaurants the the Parkway Tavern the boulevard are really going to be the the primary driver of of this place it really is uh and and as as Mr Fine's experience has demonstrated he is uh he is a restaurant operator two restaurants so the whole uh so actually the the footprint of the the entire ground floor is so Mr fine has about 75 of the the total space that 25 000 represents approximately 75 so there will be other tenants that are going to come in in fact Mr fine is got his his brain going he wants to put in a Mexican restaurant he wants to put in a breakfast place maybe Jamba Juice's other seats so there's more space for for retail uh to be built out in the future right now he is a tenant that has control of approximately 75 of of the ground floor level at the uh yeah okay I was a reason for the 197 sorry okay yeah there was a reason for the 197 machines um when I signed a lease a lot of times I cannot serve over 25 percent Mexican food on my menu because there may be a Mexican restaurant in in the property um my fear was I wasn't going to lease the other space for the Mexican restaurant the breakfast restaurant um or the or the the juice the two juice bars that I wanted to do um and another tenant would come in and they would open their own Mexican restaurant and they would put 15 machines in or they'd put in five machines and I want that to have to go to game and control I want that license to have to go to you so we capped this at exactly what we're doing and if I want to add one more machine I have to go before a gaming control board and I assume I have to go before you again to change that license but but so what you're saying is you can control them um like you know under one one sort of roof without them all going all over the place and adding more gaming this is the strongest attempt I can make okay to ensure that that other use is not going to come in and and compete on the property I think I think competition in downtown is important I think that me elevating the the food options that are down there are going to cause everybody to redo kitchens to redo restaurants to redo menus I think that having the casino with the finishes that we have in downtown the the the the 4 000 feet is going to make the competition um there's one in particular uh that's that's very nearby that that probably could use a couple of coats of paint and some fresh carpet but I believe that it's going to make everyone um raise the level that they that they're operating and then are you are you saying because it sounds like you said you could activate in 60 days are you saying that you could activate the whole 25 000 square feet Yes um 60 days once we start construction again okay and is that the two restaurants both restaurants uh and the bar okay and what how do you classify yourself um I mean like when you tell people what what you do like are you a restaurateur are you a gaming entrepreneur what are you like what do you how do you explain these Concepts well gaming is not anything that we do we're hospitality and we would consider gaming you know icing on the cake for what we do it's an insurance policy that we have that allows us to do more than we would normally do in a restaurant or a bar so because we have extra income I can now have a higher level singer or I could have more um the people for example the Boulevard Tavern which is one of the two concepts going into Reno City Center I opened on Water Street in Henderson which Water Street in Henderson is very similar to downtown Reno in that some buildings were knocked down they were supposed to be redeveloped things are half built and we went in we bought a building it was an existing Tavern that was a kind of a sports bar it had cinder block walls when it was hot outside it was hot inside because there was no insulation and the building was built in the night in the 1920s 1930s on Water Street we went in we made it into this casual fine dining it feels like you're walking into the nicest restaurant it's definitely the nicest restaurant in the area and um we have 15 machines in the bar as a Tavern and it's separated into two areas where um there's a full lounge and we do live music six nights a week restricted gaming that's restricted okay but we um we we wouldn't be able to do live music in a restaurant but because we have the extra income from the uh the gaming we have a lounge and we have that um and so I I also understand so like a restricted license 16 machines you're telling me that it sounds like if you were to do 16 machines that could open it up for other people to add additional gaming we we locked down that property so 197 is what's allowed I I can't even add more machines okay so if a new tenant comes in they're gonna have to get a business license and they're going to have to go in front of you even if it's a um a separate club which is five slot machines a taverns 15. they can't do any of that without getting your approval okay all right thank you appreciate it okay I'm going to come to you now miss newer and I'll note that this is your second go around and then we're going to come back to the body and see if we can't wrap this agenda item sure thank you um my question is really about the 197 and you're starting to go there with the mayor so where how did you develop this number 197 slot machines you said that's the maximum that is allowed for a certain amount of space and what is that space and how did you come up with this number uh it was just a space planning operation we drew out the restaurants I wanted to have 115 seats in the fine dining I wanted to have 180 seats inside not not including the patio inside the Parkway Tavern that includes a bowling alley it includes a private dining room it includes dart boards pool tables I mean it's it's uh it's a pretty big space um I had heard I kept hearing about a six thousand square foot that's different 25 000 we've been talking about that's inclusive where did the number 6000 come from I think 6300 is the size of Parkway Tavern that's included in the 25 000 square feet so are the 197 0 slot machines in the Parkway Tavern that same 6 000 square foot there there are um game bar tops in the bar and separated from the dining um but it's they're bar top machines I could see in any Tavern or Bar so then let me cut right to The Taste I'm struggling to understand how can fit in the space that you've delineated in the tavern and so I didn't know whether you're planning to spread it around the whole casino floor the former casino floor so what is the plan so we have comprising I'm making estimates we have 6300 which actually is on a higher level than where the casino floor space we're talking about is so that 6300 is the Parkway Tavern we have a carve out in the bar top for some video poker machines that are in the bar top separated um there are the bars built out as cabinets so the entire bar all the way around is Just Cabinets put together and I believe there's space for 22 but I think when we're opening I think what we're hearing is that is just kind of what I had thought as well and I think Council endures bringing this up for the reason is that we were hearing 187 would be in 6 000 square feet right so on that 6 000 I'm sorry on the 4 000 square feet there are 152 actual gaming cabinets and that number came just because we designed we wanted white walking spaces we wanted High the highest highest ceilings as we can get we wanted TVs around the property just for for the atmosphere the look um and that's what fit into that space um 352 and then 22 somewhere else right and those are in the mint bar which is part of the casino it's um we designed this sort of like the Hard Rock in Las Vegas was in the early 2000s where there was that Center Bar it's kind of a meeting area that is the majority of the other um bar top machines and I think there's two two of them in uh in the waiting area in the boulevard as well inside inside the Box wrap up since my time's over what I'm trying to get at it it seemed like a lot of machines in a very small space and it was unclear to us because that's what we're being asked to prove fear today is approval of a privileged business license non-restricted gaming it seemed like most of the restaurant space was set up for non-restricted excuse me restricted gaming in that they could only have so many slots per area and I didn't know 4 000 square foot is not that very big to put a lot of machines so you've obviously spaced it out and you think 152 will fit I think it's going to be pretty tight but I guess my last question is how does the gaming fit with the residential use like normally if people came in wanted a gaming permit and there was residential use we would be asking for a special use permit because of residential decency right here we're going to have it in the same building and I I didn't know how that was being addressed it's like the residents came first in this case and you're bringing in gaming after can you explain that or someone from our staff so in this Philippine there's actually several different buildings that were built over different decades there and so these are actually even separate Parcels where they're at um but but I think it is important to make that distinction that again those those machines that he's talking about are limited to his space only um and so not talking about them being spread out over the the walkways coming from the parking garage or other areas it hit what we're talking about is those being specifically limited to his space and and even within that in this case is which one the 25 000 well most of that is going to be restaurant again um I mean so the the sounds like four thousand I'll speak that for a second now four thousand feet is about a third of one percent of the property so it's it's very concentrated in one small area and you say just I'm sorry I'm going over here you say that by doing it this way somehow it forecloses others from coming into the space that itself doesn't for foreclose them but this process would have to be repeated for anybody else and I can say we don't have any attention we're having no conversations with anybody else about it but if anyone else doesn't have a grandfathered correct correct exactly and so that restriction could take place right here right and the only license is held the only unrestricted is held by me no one else can be on that license unless the landlord and my group allows that okay Miss doer I'm gonna go to miss Ebert who's been patiently waiting okay thank you one last one so um and our staff reported says uh application applicant has acquired approximately 75 of the space and is working to acquire 100 percent this is just the ground space right like this is not the entire building um this is for um the just adjacent space to what I have so the Bank building right now is vacant I would love to have a conversation with the landlord we've talked briefly about taking that building making because it's so cool um the Old Brick that's in there there's a mezzanine that was just closed off at one point I want to make that a private dining room I want to use the Old Brick and make it feel like a Mexican restaurant I'm going to make that a Mexican restaurant across the way we want to do a breakfast counter you're seeing them pop up in Resorts World you're seeing them pop up in the Cosmopolitan uh the most famous and I hate to um you know reference one but it's called egg in uh in the Cosmopolitan and there are just people lined up to go there for breakfast sandwiches and it's a very cool concept we want to do the same type of thing so we'll add two more kitchens in that area there's another small space about two thousand square feet that is separated by the the walkway from Second Street uh the entrance from Second Street and I wanted we own uh my brother and I own all the uh Jamba Juices in in Las Vegas um we wanted to do either a Jamba Juice or pressed juice on one side and we wanted to do a daiquiri juice on the other side so it's almost like a heaven and hell yeah experience which you know is it eight o'clock in the morning eight o'clock at night but uh you know just just fun you know active spaces like that it also allows me to control that I'm that someone's not going to come in and sell a cheeseburger that you know is is going to compete with so if you acquire 100 that's not going to push the timeline back on anything that we're approving today is it okay and it's not going to affect any of the outside improvements of the business building owner is going to do no okay that was it thank you okay Miss Taylor this is your ward so I'm going to come to you for a motion thank you Mr vice mayor um I just have a quick comment I would like to say I'm optimistically excited about this and um I appreciate the work that you have done and it really made a difference when I went and actually saw the space and toured it and I think that somebody would have to if they wanted to come in and do a Dotties or a casino they'd have to redo nine million dollars worth of work because it's just not the same thing at all um I could really see how the space was so with that thank you for your patience with us today and appreciate my colleagues comments I would motion to approve items B1 and B2 the privileged licenses to operate non-restricted gaming and offer on-premises alcohol at 219 University way KL second any additional comments at this time Madame mayor maybe it's our city manager or Angela that can weigh in here you said that you were also going to do hotel rooms or like an Airbnb and with this gaming does that then end up coming to the room tax how does that work I'll let the city manager address because it's got to be gaming and the proclivities of this particular license are that it's not tied to the hope the hotel rooms but the hotel use that they're proposing would contribute to the to The Lodgers tax okay okay all right thank you for clarifying that and I have a question follow-up Miss Stewart yeah um in my last one minute here so Mr fine the bottom line is we welcome you what we're concerned about is where things have gone awry before and you've mentioned the word Dotties other people have what that is is basically a slot parlor with little in the way of restaurants would they say the main use might be restaurant but the main use is really gaming I've heard from your representative that your main uses restaurant and food and beverage with um the gaming as a side ancillary business how do we know that it won't go the other way is there any Assurance you can provide us that that everything you've said here today is is what you're planning to do and it's not a different thing or it might not change with a different owner like how do we know that I'm other other than you know a legacy that that I would like to leave and I would like my daughter and my my son to um you know be remembered as as someone we have an opportunity and and everyone has opinions a lot of them are different opinions but everyone wants to get to the same point of making downtown Reno a better place I'm in that camp and I believe that doing that will lead to even more opportunities for us to buy a neighbor and redo their space and bring people back in Las Vegas there's 32 million people that walk the street it is amazing the opportunities for business for retail to come in is is amazing and right now downtown is very compartmentalized the successful places contain their their own ecosystem I think that this is an opportunity to just create an amazing experience in downtown and it will lead to more opportunity both for my company and and and others um that was the opportunity that got us out of Las Vegas that was the carrot the dangling carrot that uh and again we keep this separate um you walk through a mall um there's a Spencer's Gifts you don't have to walk into that Spencer's Gifts but you walk by it um this is completely separate separated and segregated from everything that's what you're planning you're planning to have the slots separate from the rest of the facility from the common areas and from any other tenants that are there I see yeah okay thank you give some reassurance to Mr fine when when this would happen I think you know that's been part of the problem downtown is like when are we activating when we hear it you know all the time um how can you because I think councilwoman breakfast you know mentioned it um you know because you also have to show good faith to Mr fine what what are you doing to ensure that and also like with the plaza and getting all that done and how long could we possibly be you know in the court with this like what are we looking at yeah well and again the whole point of this is to avoid uh the whole court process um we are working um forward good faith with the lender making good progress in our communication with them providing them with their needing um we're actually having significant daily conversation and making progress and responding to their items we think that we've got all the necessary items that they're asking for for uh to move forward and complete um and so we've spent uh well in excess of a million dollars of money in during the pre-time when it's been in pause that we know is basically at risk if we can't and we're doing that because we're confident that we're gonna be able to solve this and I'm here today as well for it I uh drove down last night when I knew about this meeting and I appreciate that yeah I really do I think that shows your willingness um and your dedication to to this um question for staff and I think councilwoman breakfast brings up a really good point so I'd love to ask Angela why wasn't a conditional use permit triggered here so the reason it would be triggered is if they are if they had expired we do have casinos in the past that expired they no longer have a business license this license has been maintained so they were approved back in 1947 and have maintained that license with the City of Reno since that time so that never went away secondly are they expanding the use whether we talk about square footage or about a gaming component in both senses they went from forty thousand square feet and over 800 slot machines to less than they're proposing four thousand not forty thousand four thousand square feet of gaming and they're at 190 000 correct the gaming components the whole the whole use is 25 so that's restaurants and bars the the gaming component is what we're talking about so in no sense have they expanded the use so unless they are either expired which they have not or they're expanding the use again by councilwoman breakfast's definition or by hour definition neither definition have they expanded structurally they haven't expanded number of slot machines they haven't expanded so in in any sense of the word expansion that has not occurred so is there is no need then for a conditional use permit better mayor if you could just add because my name was raised is by that interpretation there's more gaming capacity on the table and and but to come in you know say the Bank building that's where I think yeah is to find let me just clarify because I think you bring up a good point but that's why I'm wondering Mr fine you're saying by having the 187 number that that allows you to control it and no one else can come back in with more gaming can you clarify that because that's what I've heard yeah we it's one night 197. um and we even if we wanted to expand we would have to go back in front of start the whole process over to uh to get approvals for more um it's going to make it way more difficult for an operator or not I'm not saying like and I've never said the the the d word um not not seeing someone like that but even um you know golden is is my partner they've maintained the license they're they're doing stuff with me but bringing in a PT's they couldn't even do 15 machines without having to go in front of Gaming Control and having to go in front of you even like it would have to go under our license added to the 197. okay but if I could you know that's the Gaming Control Board is over here doing their thing we're over here doing zoning and they you don't no one Walks Into The Gaming Control Board without getting the nod from the planning department and that's the knot has been given I don't agree with it I think we have some administrative work to do and I think the manager should be tasked on that um so um you know if you want to put a condition on and say to the council's knowledge this is the nature of the non-conforming you gaming use on these properties it's conditioned by an understanding that this use is the extent of the non-conforming status of gaming on the premises we can condition business licenses we've done it before and they can come through for a conditional use permit or establish anew can't can't well that was the other thing that I wanted to know no can you put a conditional use on it like let's say because my fear was could that become a parking lot right could you put a conditional use permit on it saying it can cannot be a parking lot could you put what can do conditional uses could you put I'm talking about a condition on a business license okay that's what you're saying all right and the space the the parking lot issue that's the the landlord versus our business understand Mr fine thank you so much we're having a sort of a different conversation yeah sorry okay uh we've had a motion by uh Miss Taylor I've seconded it I'll call for the question all those in favor please signify by saying aye aye any opposed motion carries no but I will say this I reluctantly supported this um I want you to be successful and I need to put this out on the record because we have had I think this council's been burned a lot um and I will be very disappointed if this goes in it in a different direction and um we're taking taking a huge leap or at least I am maybe other people feel very comfortable I'm taking a huge leap of faith um I you know you've got a great track record um so that makes me feel better but I also think you know this project does give me cause for concern because of the fate of it and I really hope um that you get everything that you possibly can to make your Endeavor the most successful that it could possibly be I think for me you know the gaming it makes me incredibly nervous because we were told residential residential residential so I I have to tell you I'm reluctantly supporting this but um you know we we really want you to be successful thank you and I will not disappoint you you're gonna you're gonna have an amazing product in downtown well I will have you on speed dial absolutely and every one of you should have my cell phone thank you so much and now um Madame mayor will stand in recess until 1 30 is that the world body meta mayor uh yes we have to do you want to do one o'clock 1 30. whichever is your preference okay um hold on Miss Miss doer hold on one second okay 1 30. well we have a press conference did you know that I didn't okay okay 1 30. we'll be in recess till 1 30 but before we recess Miss doer you had a parting comment I did and I wanted to just Echo um I don't know if the developer is still there I think they can hear you out in the hall by doing so very reluctantly I have a lot of open questions about the residential mixed with the gaming um which is different than um hotel and I have a lot of questions about better understanding The Gaming use and the amounts and what really can come later and I do think we need some additional work in this Arena before any other changes are made on this site okay Miss Stewart thank you so much for your comments we're in recess sure so we're reconvening at 129. all right and I'm gonna send it to you um because I know councilwoman doer is out I want to make sure she's here for certain items um so maybe you can direct us on the agenda okay great so we're gonna actually um so reconvening at 1 30 with council member Ebert absent at this time okay and we're actually gonna go just because we have some members in the room to item b26 so that's b as in boy 26 and this item was pulled by council member breckis all right councilman breakfast go ahead yeah this is spending I think some of the federal rescue money just just wanted a stop report on that nb26 is Mr Edelstein we don't have a manager Mr Edelstein assistant hi thank you Nathan only at Parks and Recreation director for the record um so this item is about uh working through engineering uh to making sure that it would be okay to put fields in the flood plain I think there's a general concept and acceptance that this is a good idea but we want to walk it down to the point where we can physically make it happen yeah as far as the proposal I can just take you through it lightly but I think Eric will probably walk in and kick me off here in a second yeah any questions go ahead yeah Ruckus go ahead I I'm really confused about this this is a contract with CFA engineering it it is a contract to explore the opportunity to do this the uh the letter of The Proposal is written to Richard J who's not a city official so who contracted for these services I think the the quote we would be contracting for the services um I think the initial request came from from Richard J so I think uh what Authority does he have to act ask for uh services on behalf of the city well I I don't know if I can answer that so I don't know if uh city manager if you wanna okay official I'm sorry I was walking through the door um your question is what Authority does Mr J have to ask yeah because the attack the top routine to provide this proposal for the project conversations and meeting with staff we understand Federal funding has been available is he the Contracting entity or are we so the the council allocated money for flatfield support this is the first step in designing that Mr J is a representative of our YSA who is one of our conduits to try to leverage private money to make this project more than we can afford to make it on our own and so yeah he's running point on on some of those design aspects do we have a formal relationship with him about this or his organization do we have anything executed not at this point right now we are are trying to make sure the feasibility is there and that this would work and then a private public partnership would be something we'd be exploring them okay it says in here that presume that it built these fields would fold into the Great Basin um what's the organization he's with Great Basin youth soccer league is that correct that that would be the idea similar to um uh Moana the Moana agreement if the if that's an opportunity that we want to pursue at that point the Moana field yeah just the fields yes oh I've been hearing concern from other Park users about this relationship with Reno I think it's youth sports and there's a statement in here that it's presumed that these will more or less be allocated managed by Mr Jay's organization and I don't think that's something we should Embark upon I don't think it's right either I don't I mean there's evidence in here that he's basically kind of running the show you know higher out hiring Consultants then we bring the money there are concerns out in this community to the degree that one person who I spoke with this week went to our city auditor and raised all these questions about um you know let's do an internal audit and I've asked more too just to all know how that work that is working because there is prioritization out a sense that there's prioritization out there of these fields to this one soccer league to the exclusion of others and I think if the council moves forward with this one soccer league being the super you know the anointed one to build these fields with this Federal money I might add I don't think that's Equitable to all I I I'm very concerned I think you need to be the one managing this project it's not uh you know they're they're not in acting in our stead councilwoman and so I have a real issue with how this is being so we we prioritized we are we are the Contracting party which is why we're here right we're asking you to approve spending money outside of our spending Authority in connection with this contract with CFA to better understand the feasibility of developing flat fields at this site yeah um first of all I want to commend staff for bringing this forward I think it's really important especially in this area because of the concern of the flooding and for a long time actually um let me remind people that there were was a lot of interest in this area to develop develop it which caused me to have incredible concern um because obviously the the flooding could be extremely problematic and so I think you were listening to the council when we said you know give us something that's going to be incredibly beneficial but also we really lack these fields on some on so many so many levels and we're still far behind so I want to commend staff for bringing it forward in that capacity I think it shows a great use of a problematic area for one the other thing is I would say because I've talked to a lot of people in the space and I you know work with a lot of the Youth Sports organizations and I have heard that too but what I haven't heard from those people that complain about it is stepping up and saying we'll go out there and manage it we will go out there and raise the money and that's what's problematic I also think that risl has proven has a proven track record with Moana and that's why you want to bring someone in quite honestly that has done it has the expertise and so I don't think that that's problematic I think what you have to do is have all everyone collaborating I would actually I would actually call it Mr J right now and you can talk about your ability to collaborate with everyone because I've had everyone in the room and that's what I've been impressed with is your ability to have collaboration why don't you come up and address that uh for Miss breckis because I've been impressed with the level that you of commitment that you guys have all brought to the table and that's important and he will work with anyone he'll reach out to anyone I've seen it firsthand but a lot of people will complain and then they don't want to come to the table with managing it they want they don't want to come to the table with opening up the restrooms they don't want to come to the table with the money I mean I've seen it over and over and again and everyone can complain but you're probably the only one that I've seen that actually moves forward so maybe you could address some of that absolutely thank you very much Richard J for the record past president great basing soccer passport member of rysa this project is a P3 project private public and it is not going to be just gbysl right okay we have reached out and my recommend Foundation to rysa is that we take lacrosse Fields along with gbysl fields and we go out there together working with soccer and Lacrosse out there share the responsibility for building those fields as well as maintaining them now here the reality of it I've been up here for 14 years now you know better than anybody else and I've been screaming Hollywood for fields and in that 14 years we've built Moana which was public no money from public private dollars you helped with that not a mayor maintained to this day with private dollars we lost 30 percent we had to displace 800 kids Bluehost O'Brien Middle School we've lost Governor's bowl and we're going to lose Bond Middle School okay so that right there is going to displace 2 000 kids where are we going to put them in 2014 I presented a report to you guys talking about we are short of fields okay 15 16 17 and 18 reported the same thing and you know what are we doing to build more Fields we've got to build we're 200 plus of capacity okay this is just going to scratch service because we actually need and they can verify we need between 48 and 50 new Fields just to keep up with Demand right now we might get eight to ten flat Fields you notice I'm not calling them soccer fields I'm calling them flat fields we will work with everybody I've been in contact with rysa Randy Ritter from Roy's his here to answer any questions he might have I've worked directly with Ian over at um lacrosse we're gonna we're gonna do this as far as the audit I clearly put in there and I've sent emails to you guys I've already talked to Emily Kidd I've told her what the plan is and she says why are you coming to me now I said because I want to be proactive on this and how would you like the book set up or run the books just like we did with Moana we accounted for every single penny in there okay we will continue to do the same we will give complete reports as to who's using them out there when they're using them I send an email to you guys a couple of weeks ago that showed what the hours would be who would be using them there's an Excel spreadsheet that former Parks director Jamie and I worked out as to who will be out there what when when and things like that so it's not just now yes we are the largest soccer league in Northern Nevada that's just the way it is we've been around for 40 years we do have a little bit of experience in managing these things okay and Moana is a perfect example of that and working with staff and the council this is going to be a great project we also need to use this to spearhead Mill Street because between those two we can make a lot of things happen we are facing some situations here in Reno that we're losing the air races okay and who knows what's going to happen with burning man that's economic impact that we're going to be losing out on we're missing out on a huge opportunity with youth soccer and Lacrosse tournaments those bring in huge dollars but we have no fields in Reno whatsoever with more than two full-size Fields this is gonna be the first step of that I also think the city has struggled to maintain our parks and to be able to get up to a level where we need to be so we have to rely on these Partnerships I also want to thank you for your transparency going straight to Emily Kidd and doing everything you can are you still on the Fab board yes I am okay so one more year left he's on the financial Advisory Board you're no stranger to the City of Reno someone that's going to come in here and be uh disingenuous yeah I asked her how would you like to see the reports what type of reports would you like to do please help me set up for full transparency and auditing how do you want these set up and I I think she was kind of shocked because she says most people come to me afterwards not me I'm coming to you in advance all right questions from Council Members Madam mayor go ahead go ahead um councilwoman Doer yeah I just want to say I can't say enough good about this I have wanted to see flat Fields out in this region at both the Mill Street site with the flood project and also the Pembroke site so to be able to actually be moving out on the commitment we made to invest two million dollars in flat fields from the arpa money and here's the first phase to actually do the layout and a sure that the uses are compatible I'm confident the answer is going to come out the uses are compatible because it's done all over the country uh co-locating flat fields in floodplains absolutely thank you Richard for your work and uh mayor I know you we have spearheaded this together um and our staff have carried the ball down the field however the Project's managed I'm sure that the city is going to be at the home absolutely Vegas big you make a great Point Vegas has eight venues with 10 plus Fields out there we have none we need to start stepping it up and are they in stormwater systems or flood areas six of them are yes so my attitude is if they can do it why can't we they can't do anything better than we can well maybe football last year but that's a different story so um vice mayor Reese thank you madam mayor Mr Jay thank you for being here um my real comment is about the general statement about the fact that we need additional flat Fields I think we recognize that it's been one of the priorities of our parks recreation planning documents so the knowledge is there so this is a small commitment on our part and I wish it were larger quite frankly but it's a start and I know that the High Sierra lacrosse league has been supportive of this council's decision to allocate the funds towards this project and so CFA being brought on board to deal with the engineering piece of that I I hope it will be a very productive thing and lead us in the path that we want ultimately of course we want you to work with all of the regional partners and I know you spoke about your historical ability to do that but just double down on it absolutely because that's how you're going to get buy-in for their support too and I know that the High Sierra Lacrosse League folks really do have a vision as well and I think it is compatible with gbysl and also with the broader vision of the rysa community I think you mentioned that you were concerned about the loss of fields at O'Brien obviously those have been restored and the new flat fields at the front end of O'Brien should be useful for next season yeah they'll come back online and then I know that I was out at uh mayor's Park and Dorothy mcelendon in the North Valleys and those fields are about to be solded and they have lights on them which will put us into service of those maybe not next spring but maybe I think it's the next fall yes the next fall so we are trying to restore some flat fields that you've lost over the time and of course with Vaughn Middle School I think it's unclear what the plan is but I think it'll be very similar to O'Brien where we're going to have to build and tear down and flip the locations for those fields so there is um look we're all working together Washoe County the school district the City of Reno gbysl how here lacrosse everybody knows that our kids need more recreational opportunities now it's incumbent upon us to continue to fund them and find ways to maintain them so the public private partnership that you spoke about I think is also a very key element of it and I know that you're here and um sort of been put on the spot today I know you're willingly participating our Parks director and our parks department is committed to this project and certainly as the mayor I'm sorry as the managers pointed out would be the Contracting for agency I think because I know your personality type you have probably been out there already talking about the projects and perhaps that is why CFA maybe address their initial letter to you but I know that those will be things that will be handled here internally by this staff here right so I contact CFA I have contacts with them they've done Workforce in the past as far as that my name being on letter to I I don't know yeah it's a red herring yeah exactly the bottom line is is we have made a commitment here we've allocated the funds to it now we've got to take steps to spend those funds and to spend those funds we first got to go the engineering piece of it so happy to support happy to support our youth soccer programs our youth lacrosse programs our youth football programs Youth Baseball all those things are to the benefit of our community absolutely thank you very much someone um Martinez go ahead thank you so much uh Mr J thanks for being here I'm providing some more context um as you've mentioned and some of my colleagues have mentioned I know there's a big need four more flat fields in there and I'm appreciative of your collaboration um with some of the local organizations I'm just wondering if you have been in conversation with the sold in Nevada they've reached out a couple of times as well so I just wanted to see um what conversations are taking place with them as well what we'll do is we'll coordinate with our YSA on that I think our YSA is going to be better to kind of coordinate and say okay we're going to have X amount of fields here x percentage of the fields what's best to allocate it will it be an NSL or else Soul one of those other groups will it be High Sierra lacrosse not sure but I think the best bet would you know be working collaboratively to collaboratively with our YSA they're the ones that do assign the fields Randy Ritter uh vice president of the fields are here if you have any questions as far as that but I think working directly with them with all the groups saying okay here's what we have let's figure out the best use of it that everybody can maximize off of it yeah I'm very appreciative of that because I do know that they have voiced their concerns and the need one that's council member says yeah the Outreach is there yeah one thing that will happen is that as gbysl and theoretically I see our move off Fields those fields suddenly open up for the other groups within rysa so whether they participate in you know the fields out of Pembroke or they take over some of the fields that some of the other groups give up it's going to be a win-win for everybody and I just want to take these last moments to Echo some of my the comments from council member doer and being on the flood Management Authority really looking forward to Turning McCarran into a similar project and how we can explore that possibility as well we can get 18 Fields out there and I can host a tournament with 300 teams and I in that email I showed you what a 300 team tournament can do as far as economic impact thanks thank you yeah I I don't have questions for you Mr J okay thank you the um you know the the question of do we need more flat Fields is this a good site is not there the question is this is entering into a contract and I've never seen a contract come forward where the solicitation is from a third party who you know it says Mr J you know here's the proposal thanks for giving us a chance to propose this is federal money we don't have a relationship with the youth soccer league to be out there on our behalf soliciting proposals and that's the issue and the matamayor says something along the lines of I've heard these concerns but I don't see other people step up people don't want to step up to manage they want to know that the city is doing the allocation process when this agreement comes up with Reno Youth Sports you'll have a chance to look at that our former Parks manager Andy bass upon departure told me it was at a very unusual process in contrast our steady stop when I was the liaison to the parks and rec Commission did a very inclusive Equitable pool Lane allocation between our two youth um our two youth swimming clubs and our master's clubs they want the city to take on this function we can do the Partnerships on fundraising and other thing but the fairness and the allocation of the limited resources is really something that this Council should bring in house and I've heard that for years from people and so that's the point and I also want to add that this solicitation is not to the vendor who we have the contract with which is Reno Youth Sports it's with us one of the clubs Mr J is here in the capacity as the Great Basin youth soccer league so this soccer league right here that is supposed to be treated on a fair basis by our vendor Reno Youth Sports is right in here you know facilitating the building how do you think they're going to stand when the allocation process comes I think that we need to be very um aware of this and not have other people doing our work unless we have a contract with them that outlines that and this building four fields and taking on this role procuring contractors is not within any contract that we have with any other person to do that on our behalf so um that's what I have to say those are my concerns and uh I was just disappointed to see that because I've never seen that before I've never seen us asked to us approve a contract with a with a vendor who is solicited by another party who we don't have an agreement with to do that work on our behalf thank you um yeah go go right ahead um I don't I think the manager is there maybe Mr Edelstein but I want to get I think council member breckis is bringing up an important point and I just want to get clarified on the record that this contract is going is with the city and will be managed by the city and I I just want to get some clarity I can confirm that this contract with CFA is going to be with the city and will be managed by the city Mr J is of course an important Community partner in moving this this project forward and we're excited for the possibility of partnering with him but this is a city between this is a contract between CFA and the City of Reno okay and um the project manager will be at the City of Reno uh it will not be Mr J yes okay and then Mr J will not they will not be working for Mr J is that correct that is correct CFA will be working for the City of Reno and will be overseen by the project Manor manager of Arena will consult with with all of the different um groups whether it be soccer lacrosse would that be correct statement I believe that that process is already underway as Mr J indicated and I I see Mr ulyat uh Unison there in the audience okay just wanted to get some clarity because they thought you brought up some good points and we just need to get that on the record thank you all right um any other questions from council members I think that there are none I think that councilman Ruckus brings up a good point in the sense of wanting to manage everything in-house and that would be great but we're constantly trying to fight this battle of you know sort of weighing out who's going to take on the responsibilities and so we tend to typically lean heavily on our Partnerships and I really appreciate uh Richard J and all the you know Youth Sports organizations that come to the table like even just opening the bathrooms you know I mentioned that but like it was a big deal and um so I just want to say thank you so much and just to reiterate that I think councilman Dewer brought it up but to reiterate that we want to be good collaborators with everyone that is never the intent to not include other organizations or groups and I you know I would welcome them to come to this Council any day give us a report right here at the diocese let us know what's going on how we can help them collaborate because I know you have always had an open door and I I sincerely appreciate that more than you know but it also by collaborating with our partners it allows us to do some some work in other areas that we might not get to so I think as much as it sounds like it would be a wonderful thing to bring it all here at the City of Reno it's also incredibly costly and our resources and I want to remind people in the recession do you realize that we laid off 700 people and we I don't think to our city manager how we have brought back even to the levels to where we have needed to be in a in a number of cases that's true I think the most startling fact in the Parks and Rec Space is that the budget is it remains eight million dollars less than it was in 2015. right okay so Point well taken um I'm going to hand it to vice mayor just really curious we have uh it looks like some students in the back of the room are you guys here from a certain School ah my alma mater well welcome tell me um what do you what do you think about flat Fields you like them you think we need them so um come on up to the dice and we'll give you extra credit I'll call your teacher and tell her that you should pass with flying colors as Mr Clark your teacher or is Mr Clark Mr Richard Clark AP Government well um hello Madam mayor members of the council I just want to say thank you guys for considering this as a high school student most of the Reno High campus most of you guys have probably been there it's mostly flat fields we have a large Field behind the school building and we have a baseball field a football field and it's very important to our school you see how many students at our school they rely on that for to find purpose in their education so I think it's a very good thing to have accessible flat Fields so thank you guys so much for weighing in I think that's important to hear from our who are going to be our biggest users and um you seem like a future Senator we're going to tell you thank you we're going to call your teacher directly and let them know how impressed we are well thank you guys and are you on the debate team or mock trial no my friends and I we are just in um AP US Government yeah and do you guys want to go into politics any of you come on future you're you're my future I need future Mayors future Senators Future Leaders but thank you so much for being here come and speak anytime on any item we encourage you to follow our agenda it's really important that we hear from the youth in our community what if we would have voted it down today yeah right like you matter like what you say matters we want to hear from you so thank you well thank you so much guys for letting me speak I appreciate it yeah fantastic thank you so much all right I'm going to send it to vice mayor uh move to approved staff recommendations I'm a moment motion carries unanimously nice job thanks you guys all right moving right along Madam clerk I'm gonna send it to you thank you madam mayor so since we have RTC in a Time certain for that item if you'd like we'll go ahead and open item D2 d as in David too all right item D2 I'm excited for this presentation and I'm gonna ask you madam clerk do you have any public comment on item D2 thank you Madame mayor we do not have any public comment registered and let me just check via Zoom if you are in Via zoom and would like to speak on item D2 please raise your hand at this time it looks like we do have one attendee in the room that would like to make a public comment Robin Palmer we'll go ahead and move you over now please state your name for the record and begin speaking you will have three minutes exercises give me one second Robin please unmute state your name for the record and begin speaking hi I'm sorry you can hear me now we can thank you good afternoon council members thank you for oh my name is Robin Palmer that's r o b b i n Palmer thank you for the opportunity to speak on this item I was very pleased this morning to see a multiple climate advocates in the room I too am concerned about our climate crisis I want to speak about D2 when traveling in the City of Reno the region and Beyond I am not responsible for any greenhouse gas emissions I have a completely electric car at my disposal a 2001 Suzuki Swift that my husband converted many years ago fondly referred to as Swifty mind mode of communication is more commonly my bicycle I put in more miles on my bicycle in a week than on Swifty every week most weeks of the year it's difficult to determine from the RTC report that's in in the meeting packet the council meeting packet what future improvements and bikeability in our region are planned although better than it was five years ago in my opinion Reno is far from a bike-friendly community too few of our major streets have dedicated bike Lanes that those that do of those are buffered from vehicular traffic unless recently upgraded the condition of the bike path between the City of Reno and Beyond galante way is deplorable rough pavement large cracks broken glass other trash I do not ride that section of the bike path anymore a personal irritation to me is that there are too many traffic lights in the City of Reno that are not triggered by an individual on bicycle forcing the bicyclist to choose between running a red light or waiting who knows how long for a vehicle to appear that will trigger the light many drivers do not seem to know understand or care that three foot clearance when passing a bicycle is law the City of Reno has a climate and sustainability plan I know there are much bigger fish in the sea but it would behoove the city and the region to increase the areas of bikeability thereby moving the needle towards our greenhouse gas emissions goal a little closer to that goal an encouraging improved Fitness of residence and increasing the overall health in our region by decreasing air pollution thank you foreign [Music] we have no additional public comment okay thank you I apologize we do oh Mr uh Mr Bill shrimp hello bill please unmute state your name for the record and begin speaking hello hi Mickey am I can you hear me you we can go ahead okay uh I just want to say I was very excited uh when I was reading this report uh specifically the section about hydrogen fuel cells and bringing that technology into our public transit Fleet um it is I hope that RTC can spearhead moving that technology into the mainstream consumer uh realm and out of just the the fleet and Commercial realm uh hydrogen fuel cell is significantly better than even EVS so the environmental impact there is just so much less than even an EB so I'm happy to see that um so thank you RTC for doing that and letting us know that you're doing that thank you foreign with that we have no additional public comment and the floor is yours Mr Thomas okay well welcome Mr Thomas it's so nice to see you it's probably you probably haven't been back on this building for a very long time but it's very nice to see you and we look forward to your presentation so thank you feel strangely familiar yeah um thank you madam mayor and thank you council members uh for the record and manager Thornley for the record Bill Thomas executive director of the Regional Transportation Commission of Washoe County also with me today is Dale Keller Dales our engineering director of engineering and we are going to give for you a presentation that includes basically three things we're not asking you for any particular action or decision today but we will certainly take back any comments that you would like us to present to the RTC board and certainly try to answer any questions you might have the first presentation is a video we prepared that really talks about the projects that have been completed this past year by RTC working very closely of course with your staff Nevada Department of Transportation as well as the contractors designers and consultants in the community that really perform the work that gets us to the place we're at the second thing I'm going to do is I'm going to give you a powerpoint presentation on what's coming up so you have a chance to see all the projects that are in the works and where they're at and then lastly talk on it talk about a couple of subjects that are particularly relevant to our world at RTC and hopefully I can squeeze that in an amount of time that doesn't labor you in terms of having to sit through my presentation so if I can I'd like to start with the video [Music] [Music] foreign [Music] [Laughter] [Music] [Laughter] [Music] [Music] [Music] foreign [Music] thank you [Music] [Laughter] [Music] [Laughter] [Music] foreign [Music] so you saw this uh very briefly on the presentation and I wanted to talk about these particular projects because they're the ones that are in construction so they're not on obviously a list of completed projects but the ones that are under construction right now we have over 70 projects at RTC that are in various stages of being developed these ones while all of them won't be done in 23 we're going to make some significant progress on these projects the ones I might highlight for you which should be wrapping up in the next several months are the Fourth Street Woodland roundabout that project's going very well and hopefully we'll be having an opening in the near future in addition Sky Vista Parkway widening project which has been will be a very important project for the North Valleys but also one that I'm sure piece people who've driven it are waiting maybe impatiently for that to get done there is light at the end of the tunnel we see that coming this year and then last one I just wanted to point out is Peppermill brt station that's probably one of our most used bus stations outside of the transit centers and maybe for years as you've watched their people standing on the sidewalks and it's a very uncomfortable situation we've got that new stop up and it's been very it's been very productive and I think well received by our writers I wanted to touch um specifically on Bridges because we do have three Bridges bridges in the design phase all of which are in the City of Reno so the Arlington Avenue Bridges which is a project you're familiar with is fully funded um we are excuse me in the final stages of the environmental permitting process we hope to move very quickly into construction we did get the board's approval to move to a different uh procurement approach which is cmar which we hope can shave off a year of time in terms of getting that bridge those bridges done very appreciative to your staff and working with us very closely and getting that done in addition we got Federal funding for design of the Keystone Bridge so we're starting we've hired a consultant we're starting the design on that project the construction hasn't been funded but this is the first step in moving that forward and then lastly Sierra Street Bridge we do have full funding for that project and we've started the design on that bridge So speaking of design I wanted to also give you a list of all of the projects in the City of Reno that are in the design phase and obviously we have to complete the design before we can move to construction as you can see here there's quite a number of them but I wanted to highlight a couple specifically for the council one of them is Military Road capacity and safety so we're moving forward on the design we'll be having Community meetings in the near future to start talking the community about that particular Road and what can and should be done to address some of the challenges on Military Road in addition we've started the right-of-way procurement process for the Mill Street capacity project which is going to be widening Mill Street between Kietzke and the freeway or actually a terminal that will be a pretty significant project and you'll be hearing more about that as we move into the construction phase and then lastly I wanted to talk about Steamboat Parkway so that project's been in the works for a bit of time it got slightly delayed because of right-of-way issues and the some of the delays in acquiring right away we've I think finally finished the last most difficult part of the right-of-way acquisition and hopefully with the board action this Friday we'll be in the place to move that project forward so one of the public commenters talked about this so I wanted to touch briefly on hydrogen fuel cell buses as you saw in the slide we achieved 100 alternative fuel in our Fleet 13 years ahead of our scheduled transition which is something we're very proud of at RTC but we've also moved to the next generation of buses which is a hydrogen fuel cell bus so those who aren't familiar with the particulars of how it works we've got basically as many electric vehicles as buses as we can that will allow us to provide the service the challenge of electric buses is that they have a capacity that's defined by their initial charge and as they go through the day of course they lose the charge and you have to recharge them so we're able to charge them in while they're being driven but it does have some down time the beauty of the hydrogen fuel cell buses is they can be filled much like an internal combustion engine vehicle and they can run the whole day up to 370 miles without having to be refueled so 300 miles a day is basically where we Target in terms of each of our routes and so every every time we can keep the bus running is less downtime for our customers and one of the biggest things they want is reliability and predictability on when the buses are going to show up we have two of those which will be showing up in Spring at 24 and then an additional six so we'll have eight of our 66 buses in the near term which will be hydrogen fuel cell I'm working very closely with um not only the state but also federal government in addressing again another comment from one of the public commenters providing uh hydrogen fuel cell capacity into our community so we're kind of a Leading Edge and getting that here obviously that's not our role is to provide it for hydrogen fuel cell private vehicles but I think this is the first step in making it available in our community the last thing I wanted to touch on and this also was brought up in some of the comments these two graphs show you what's going on in the world of fuel tax as you all know we basically most of our efforts and the ones you saw in those in the video and the ones we've talked about here are funded with fuel tax um that fuel tax is based of course on people consuming Fuel and you can see um from this chart what's happened in terms of per capita consumption of fuel not surprisingly with electric vehicles hybrid vehicles smaller vehicles that get greater gas mileage per capita the amount of fuel that's consumed is going down the other on the other side of the coin is how much people drive and you can see that actually in that dashed line is the trend that people are driving more so we're sitting in a situation now where the revenues are decreasing and the needs and the impacts on the roads are increasing it's not an immediate issue but it's one that we need to keep in the Forefront to figure out how we're going to finance the construction and maintenance of our roadways as people become much more efficient at using less or maybe no petroleum fuel at all I would point out from our standpoint just this past year as we've closed our books on last fiscal year we're about down about one percent in sales tax which is money we use only for Transit and down about three point three percent from our budgeted fuel tax so we're actually starting to see the trend hit in terms of the reduction in revenues from fuel tax I'd also highlight that our costs are up about 16 percent so not a crisis situation but one we want to keep very much in the Forefront in our board our TC board has asked us to get ahead of that and look at how we make sure that everybody ultimately is paying for their fair share of maintaining the roads that we all drive on so with that I will in my presentation and be the best we can to answer any questions you might have all right thank you so much Mr Thomas I do want to say because I sit on that board haven't been there long I I do feel like the the board has a very different idea and direction from the previous board on many many different levels and um it's been really nice to sit down with you and really Express kind of where I think the the majority of the board wants to go um I've I've been um impressed with how receptive you have been but you know this and I keep harping on it and that's the micro mobility and then also um we've been talking a lot about the river path over at RTC every meeting I think it gets brought up and sort of what that looks like I did want to just ask you um as as far as micro Mobility goes when are we going to see a presentation on that do you know I'm actually going to defer to Dale on that because he's been working closely with Carrie so okay I'll let them answer or the or our city manager I would assume you both are Dale's probably got more up to minute information than I do hey good afternoon mayor City Council Members Dale Keller director of engineering for the RTC for the record uh yes Madam mayor we're anticipating bringing something back first I think to city council and working with City staff and Kerry Koski in October and then most likely have a follow-up presentation to the RTC board in October as well okay thank much I I appreciate it um okay we're gonna open it up everyone three minutes the other thing it was just brought to my attention our agenda is very heavy very heavy we might not be out of here until midnight so um I am going to try to do a much better job keeping everyone on track all right who wants to start with questions go ahead uh vice mayor Reese thank you Mr Thomas for the presentation I think um you're doing an outstanding job at the RTC and obviously the mayor and I get to see a bit more frequently because we serve on that body as well but the actual presentation highlights um not just a one-year snapshot but it's actually five and ten years looking backwards right a lot of those projects began as infancy and thought processes that occurred even before some of us were on this body and so it really is a culmination of many things I think what it highlighted for me was a couple of things first is that there is a commitment as the mayor said to A Renewed sense of different priorities it's not to say that prior priorities were not valid or were less valid than the ones we're undertaking now but you know as a community we are changing right you've identified ways in which the consumption of fuel is changing the introduction of electric vehicles hydrogen Vehicles all those things are changing and we of course as the RTC Are tasked with making those changes too I think it's a Dynamic organization and you've got great employees there who are supporting the mission on the city Side we have our own challenges right because I think what often happens is people look people do not care if the city is owned by the state the federal government the county the city a private Enterprise they just want to make sure that the roadways are safe they're pothole free they're clean that they can ride safely on them so sometimes what happens is in the frustration that comes with people who are trying to navigate an urban and Suburban environment they they just see an issue and they think it is the fault of someone and so I think what I would like to see both from the RTC side as I sit there and over here at the City of Reno is just that acknowledgment that we have some changing Norms around driving changing Norms about what we want for our cities I heard one of the public commenters and I think she made many good points some of which were addressed in your presentation but that we want to have a city that is dynamic that includes micro Mobility that is connected to the river in a way that the mayor has been advocating for many years and I think what I hope is that ROTC is is certainly up for the challenge and the task right you were in this building for I think 27 years off and on I won't date you that way but but the point being is that you know well what our issues are and your issues are your issues where we can find Common Ground that's where I'm really looking forward to the work I know up in the North Valleys for example we've been asking for a lot and it's because the area in the North Valleys has been um you know an area of major growth the planning has not always met the growth pattern and so now we're playing catch-up and so I appreciate some of the focus that's gone up there in Ward 5 where I live there's some issues that are involving uh the the bridges there that are being constructed by ndot which is also a facilitated thing with us and so there's just a lot going on but I appreciate the work that you're doing and and I may have some questions and follow but I just want to thank you for the work that RTC has undertaken and and know that we've got some challenging issues ahead of us thank you thank you all right count them either um I had some questions on projects that are um coming up um well one that's actually underway so the Sky Vista Parkway widening and Rehabilitation do we know when we're projected to be uh completed with that project I know it's a really um a pain point for people that have to commute there and use that route to go home and and uh to and from shopping in that area we are looking to have the roadway paved out to the new four-lane section by the end of this calendar year there'll be some cleanup work that will address next spring but what we hope to reach substantial completion this fall okay all right and then the other question I have is Military Road what is the timeline for working on that and uh are we taking Community feedback at this time and what kind of window do we have for that we are at the preliminary stages of design right now we're less than a 30 design we're working with City Reno staff to understanding what the layout would be maybe the cross-section would look like so once RTC and City you know staff are on the same page we'd like to go out and get public input later this fall to understanding what the best option and what the proposed solution is for Military Road okay so you said this fall for Community feedback okay and what what kind of communication will go out to let the community know hey we're we're reaching out for feedback or do we send a card out like we do um for other you know developments things like that in the state right now what does that look like very similar to what city of Reno does well campus the area with Flyers but also through social media and find other ways we can connect with the community our options are both virtual and in person so when we go do presentations we'll have both options to find a way to reach um residents who might not have the ability to come to an in-person meeting okay okay so I know that you guys are coming to my NAB also in October will you guys have any kind of proposed any anything for military um at that time or will it still be kind of in the design or planning phase at that point I can't I cannot commit to you um right now today but we're looking to see if there's ways where we can accelerate some of those conversations to make a presentation if not we'll have some better information when the timeline would be to have a more detailed conversation about military okay and what what kind of timeline are we hopeful for to begin the work on Military Road as you're well aware there's many construction projects up in the North Valleys yeah so we're trying to coordinate with indot as well as other projects that are happening to find the best time to have military under construction right now we're looking to 2025 time frame to start construction okay okay and then um with the new expansion of Lemon Drive will that affect any work that was done on the uh on-ramp and off ramp of Lemon Drive so RTC is real estate is real coordinated directly within dot to ensure that the improvements that were done underneath us-385 are not impacted by ndot's wide in the project okay okay all right um I just look at my notes Here okay I think that's it for right now thank you all right thank you anyone else go ahead thank you madamer thank you for being here Bill and um Dale I have two questions or um I'd like you to expand on two things the first thing is I believe that your Grant progress and the funding that you received from your grants is super impressive I don't see it in your presentation um I did see a little bit in the video so one if you could just talk a little bit about that because I think your team has gone above and beyond on securing funding which is um impressive to me and then the second thing is I'm seeing our TC partner with ndot in actual dollars for larger road construction projects so I'm wondering if you could talk a little bit about that because I don't think some of these projects would be getting done without the partnership with RTC and again I just wanted to thank you for your partnership in that space so if you could expand on those please thank you for the question councilmember Taylor so um just by comparison we look back on the grants that we've received in the last three years we either directly or indirectly through rtcp RTC providing or submitting the application for the grant we've procured about 170 million dollars in three years for our community which compares to about 70 for the previous three years so we've more than doubled the resources coming in we've also as you pointed out consciously made an effort of working with ndot so for example the 82 million dollars that was procured for the second phase of widening 395 was actually an application that RTC prepared on behalf of indot and with their consent and Direction so I think it's been very beneficial to the community for RTC to be working so closely with ndot and I might also point out the current pyramid project that is under construction now was a 35 million dollar grant that RTC procured for the state of indot or for the ndot to do that on behalf of the state so it's it's a very conscious effort to work closely together and the end goal would be to bring more money particularly for the freeways and the major projects that indot manages for our community so that we're not falling further behind so thank you for highlighting that well thank you and and Dot for the collaborative efforts I love to see governments working together so appreciate that thank you all right go ahead Miguel or councilman sorry Martinez thanks sorry for the inappropriate thank you thanks Thomas Mr Dale for being here and providing some of that information I was just curious to learn a little bit more about the kitski lane uh project and what you all have planned for that I'll call Dale up again uh councilman Martinez a kitsky lane project what we're looking to there's there's different portions of project well RTC is moving forward is helping our signal connectivity and operations along kitsky Lane indot has a separate project to help with Ada and pedestrian improvements and connecting bus stops so we're coordinating with them as well as City Reno staff to find out the best solutions for those Ada improvements that's going to be in.led project was like start construction next year that will include both like you're saying curve and gutter and maybe some micro Mobility along with traffic signals so it's all inclusive of those things it'll help you to provide you the information where those limits are and make sure that you and I are on the same page where those improvements will be but yes that's the intention of that project okay thank you so much if I can and hopefully it's not cutting into council member Martinez's time I do like if we have maybe one minute for Dale to explain a recent Grant we've submitted on Plum Lane smart Grant which I think will be impactful sure so there's been a lot of discussion regarding the safety around Plumb Lane and then the section I'm talking about a Plumb Lane is from Virginia Street to the West All the Way East to terminal area where we have Worcester High School we have commercial areas we have residential areas one thing we're trying to find is do some smart technology with it so there's a great application we're looking to apply here in the next week or so is to use technology artificial intelligence help with pedestrian Crossing and safety for the vulnerable Road users so we're excited to partner with this we're also collaborating with the city of Las Vegas they're using similar technology to find a way we can both pilot this type of Technology took a look at performance measures before and afters and see if this is a viable solution across the state so we're excited for that opportunity and we'll provide some more information as we get it okay thank so much councilwoman doer I don't know if you're on councilman breakfast go ahead thank you for being here and I think everyone in Southwest Reno is going to be West Reno excited when the roundabout and the California Avenue projects are done it was a real big project the California Avenue one I would suggest to my colleagues that when a project comes in on your War to one you have interest of really walk in and understand what it's going to be I had no idea that the disruption of that project and a lot of it wasn't RTC it was other utilities was going to be so prolonged and helps you be more responsive in the neighborhood during construction season same with um the roundabout that went into evening nighttime work at one point I guess two points in all Opera counter one is um I find it is unusual for regional money to come into the highway system like the 395 and this spaghetti Bowl It's Not Unusual it's not unheard of but it is unusual and I offer a different view is when we bring money into you know ndot managed roads that means local roads aren't getting their needs and it's locally generated money so I take a different view we all know that resources fiscal resources are very constrained very competitive and when an ndot projects are being funded by our locally derived money something else is getting the short and what I see is getting the short are the neighborhood street needs that I get hammered weekend and week out by my constituents so I feel we're following short on that but that's a policy decision and I'm bringing it up as a policy issue and I'm just want to highlight that another one is public participation I think that the nature of your mandated Federal public participation Pro program is not being carried out to the spirit of the law and so I just want to put that as a as a mandate out there they're required to have a public participation plan and I think there's been problems with that I would encourage you and the board members to really understand that and look into that but even suggestive just yesterday y'all let out of a press release that said help us in our 53-10 management plan I've caught I've followed Federal Transportation law since 1993 in iced tea and I don't know what the 5310 management plan is so maybe you know it could have been you know 53-10 management plan which is I had to Google it I I've forgotten it since then you know that's just a suggestion but public participation um really you know the feds put that down on you and you you I I encourage you to um do a little bit better thank you all right thank you so much councilman breakfast appreciate it okay vice mayor well I just have an important question for Mr Keller but I don't know if my colleagues have any additional questions or comments I I well my mine was more humorous so I'll let you go first Mr I was going to ask Mr Keller about his experience at his first NFL game refine uh refereeing such an exciting event you got to do that yeah he's a full-on wrath how do you we can talk more offline oh okay go ahead oh councilman do her go ahead yeah I I wanted to just thank RTC uh very recently uh last six months I've really seen a willingness to amend plans that have been adopted based on public input and I wanted to give you an example I just got a email today um during the break about a project that's going on on Arrow Creek Parkway RTC is leading that it was a pavement upgrade but at the same time they're making some changes based on public input that they're receiving while the project is being built and this was to add two turning Lanes to go from Arrow Creek onto wedge I believe and they made they they sent a letter to the um the citizen saying that was excellent timing we were able to evaluate it Midstream and incorporate it now you could criticize why didn't they figure it all out ahead I'm not looking at it that way I'm looking at it that the people using the road often they don't get engaged until they see something in front of their eyes it's all theoretical until they're actually experiencing it another example is where RTC is amending with input from myself and our staff um the road going from Damani Ranch Parkway on to Double R turning North and they are going to add a a free right turn or additional Lanes right there and that will really help decongest traffic right there and it's another example where the project was underway and staff heard us and they made some changes and it will really so many people have commented about this opportunity to turn right onto Double R this change that RTC is incorporating so I I want to call that out because in my mind that is a change and it's a very welcome uh different approach that you're doing so thank you okay all right any further comments anything else councilman ever I have questions on the specifics of military but I'm not sure this is the right forum for that we'd be very happy to talk to any of the council members in detail about any of these projects that are on the list okay um maybe one actually sure so there's a development currently happening on Military and uh it's it's on both sides of the road um as part of the process they've repaved uh the road just to be good neighbors because there's been a lot of tearing up the road to put in different things you know I imagine so we're electrical whatever needs to be done um so they've repaved um but they've also put in curbs on either side of the road which will I would imagine will make it more difficult to widen the road um is there Provisions or some kind of accommodation or are you in discussions with um this developer um you know to talk about your widening as they're developing because this is something that looks like it will need to be torn out and is this something that's going to affect what they're currently building um I don't know how far their property lines go up to that that curb but just I want to know if considerations are being made um for this widening uh you know in conjunction with development that's happening in that same area it is one of the things before you get into the details that we're really trying to perfect working with City staff is try to get these designs earlier so everybody knows what the future holds but it is a dynamic world where projects are occurring while we're still studying but I think there's a specific answer in this case that I guess Dale you can provide all the above and I think we've worked closely with City staff both on the development side and the Public Works side to understanding what's the best solution making sure we're not developers not putting something in and then we come out but a year later tear it out so we're still going working through the details right now and we'll continue to do so okay so do we know if we're gonna have to tear this out because I'm because I mean here's it it might cause problems with widening the road I mean we're going to find the best solution to minimize any rework that's been done okay thank you all right any further questions if there are none I don't believe we have to accept anything other than thank you so much for being here I really appreciate it and I I um and I think to vice mayor Reese's point he said you know not that the last um I don't know what is it called for it I don't know board members um it was just not that it was bad it was just different and I think moving forward everyone is excited to work on more sustainability issues more quality of life issues with RTC more micro micro mobility issues those kinds of things so I I'm really optimistic and look forward to continuing to work with you great job so thanks you guys nice seeing you Mr Thomas in the building all right take care all right I'm gonna send it over to I guess Madam clerk are you aware that we're gonna jump to B20 um we're actually going to jump to B17 which was pulled by council member door and then we'll go B17 B20 b23 so that we can get her on her way okay if that's okay hold on one second uh no can we do B20 first because we're about to lose the police chief great we're gonna go to B20 okay all right thank you thank you mayor I hope items because there is a tremendous amount of good things on this agenda and I just picked three things um one was with fire one was with police and one was with our public works department um this particular one is an outstanding example of where um our Police Department continues to work with other partners to get Monies to do special activities and in this case the special activity is a pedestrian safety sweep so it's traffic enforcement um it's about sixty thousand and um it's it's really critical this is something I hear about from my residents all the time they always want to know why are we are not pulling over Speeders why we are not protecting pedestrians what can we do to prevent accidents so I just wanted to thank the chief and her team for reaching out getting this Grant and continuing to do these kind of special enforcement activities it's really the reason I pulled it and I have to tell you I could have pulled half of our consent agenda because all of our staff are looking for funding they are really excelling in their jobs I mean I I was blown away when I looked at the agenda how many grants we're obtaining whether it's for uh you know adaptive Athletics whether it's for ball fields whether it's for safety military programs Etc it's really incredible so that's really all I had to say with B20 and I'm willing to make a motion to approve it second all right I have a motion and a second all those in favor say aye all right motion carries unanimously all right thank you moving right along sending it back to you madam clerk B17 pulled by councilmember door sure uh this one is quite similar it's for a much larger amount it's over three million dollars most of you know I tend to pull bigger projects over a million dollars so that our residents know that we are spending our money I think it's incredibly important that we began a fire apparatus replacement program um this was a new thing a couple years ago all of our equipment was aging and we had no plans and uh to replace these uh equipment That's essential for the functioning of our firefighter department so I wanted to thank our financing group and our fire department group for moving forward and continuing to effectuate this replacement program I don't know if they have anything to say I mean I've read the documents and the pieces of equipment but in case you do the floor is yours Aaron white admin services manager for the Reno Fire Department uh just wanted to say thank you all for helping us fund this apparatus replacement program since the Inception in FY 20 we've been able to address 15 apparatus in that time frame we also went from 18 years on our average life to 12 years now on the front line so thank you we really appreciate it so motion to approve all right I have a motion a second all those in favor say aye aye opposed motion carries unanimously in stereo right okay all right item b23 pulled by council member door yeah um this is a different example so this is an example where we're applying for a grant um the public uh Public Works group and in this case I think it was actually Mr flansburg was involved as well as others but for a long time uh still to this day we many people in the City of Reno are still using septic tanks and they're not attached to our sewer system um this is an opportunity to take a chunk of that I think it's about 10 of the people in Island 11 18 I mean uh to go into a sewer conversion project now one of the things that I did ask staff about is that this is really an effort for us to upgrade our pipes in the streets but it really doesn't get the pipe the sewer pipe to the home and there is a program in Washoe County um that was done under ab54 to provide very low interest loans to Residents to make that connection and to have a 40-year Payback and um I asked our staff I wanted to let the whole Council know this to reach out to the residents if we do get this grant to at the same time Market the program so that we don't just get pipes in the road which then will become aging but we actually get people connected to those pipes so we could take the septic systems off line and replace them with a sewer treatment and really complete the job so I wanted to thank folks for thinking ahead I hope we get this grant it sounded like it would if we did get it it would happen in 2025 I don't know if there's anyone to speak to this or any more to add Mr flansburg's here if you just give a little bit of color on it absolutely so for the record John flansberg a regional infrastructure administrator this is a requirement of the grant is to have a resolution from the council and support of these projects uh there were three projects that we put in we were very limited in terms of the timing of these projects and the time to spend the money as you're aware these are actually arpa funds from the state so they've set aside 100 million dollars of arpa funds that they received for a grant program uh it's for water conservation and infrastructure improvements and they laid out certain projects that those would be for we put three together that were already approved in our Capital Improvement program that we're moving forward with knowing that it would be that councils had already shown that kind of approval we need to get these in quickly so they're in but the this is the last step that we need to supply to them as a resolution of support and John will we be able to make those connections do you think or what's that look uh so as you mentioned councilmember door the one project the island 18. uh we may not even be able to get the sewer lines out into the streets without this grant so this was a great opportunity for us to move forward with that I know we have not had the overall discussion with Council on subject to sewer conversions or what that program might look like but this would be an opportunity for us to extend the sewer not only take care of these first houses but to extend further uh on additional projects to your point uh certainly if we receive the grant we would we would want to let the residents know of their opportunities we did not want to constrain ourselves with this grant to work outside of our right-of-way and so that's why we would go to the edge of properties and have everything contained within the roadways you were willing to make the effort extra effort you and our city manager to reach out to actually work with the residents and get them to finish the project so that we can have success thank you I don't know if there's any other questions but I'm ready to make a motion all right please give me a motion thank you motion to approve b23 all right I'm emotionized second all those in favor say aye aye all those opposed promotion carries unanimously sending it right back to you madam clock thank you we're going to get back in order we're on item b11 pulled by councilmember Ebert all right sending it to you councilman Ebert foreign at this time do you have any public comment on this item uh we already took public comment on consent so we're ready to just roll through the rest of these councilwoman Ebert floor is yours and Two Smoking Bagels so I can assume we're getting Bagels correct I had a question about I'm so happy yeah so I had a question about this so it's 24 hour operation for bagels yes madameric council members Lance ferrado business license for the record uh yes it's zoned for 24 hours they're not proposing to operate 24 hours they're actually uh proposing to operate from 5 30 a.m to 6 p.m it's just zoned for 24-Hour use okay all right I think I'm just going through my notes here real quick yeah I think that was it I was just kind of like why would it be sure 24-hour Bagels I mean right it was a little yeah yeah we're not next to Mint right but okay thank Lance the zoning of 24 hours yeah so uh entertainment this uh District or innovation District exactly this is uh um mded zoning uh which allows for 24 hours and it's just it's that it's right downtown so most businesses are allowed to operate from the during that time and this specifically is a uh you know a bagel shop so uh that more earlier in the day but they are offering wine and beer so that's why you're there before you today okay yeah that was a little weird too like why I would assume I I don't know specifically I would assume it's uh to be able to offer a bureau with like I mean they're open until six at night you can maybe get a bagel sandwich for dinner or lunch and you want to have a beer um they're just keeping their options yeah maybe so yeah I love it I'm just trying to understand the vision here yeah keep their options open wine and business uh no not to my knowledge unless they're here and I don't know okay okay I'm just trying to understand it's just a little unusual okay all right all right would you like to give me a motion unless um go ahead councilwoman Taylor Taylor okay so it's Kathleen Taylor um no I'm super excited for this coming to downtown getting the space activated so I would love to make the motion to approve thank you yes so I have a motion and a second all those in favor say aye all those opposed motion carries unanimously anyone that knows me knows I'm a massive Bagel fan councilman Durer knows that and so I I look forward to um hopefully being one of their first customers thank you so much I'm excited yes okay we'll make it an outing all right all right Madame mayor item B12 pulled by councilmember Ebert councilman Ebert back at you do we have um somebody from so I think Nathan good afternoon hi questions about this item yeah so I just want to know a little bit more about this I know we took a tour of the city so just you know if you can give us a little more information about what what this grant will go towards and sure well we have uh and April couldn't be here today um she's running an awesome program with our veterans and from not just here but from all around the region as far as San Francisco someone took a train to come participate in in her military program so um but this is a an awesome opportunity if you know April it's Nathan Elliott for the record Parks and Recreation strike that first part this is an another awesome thing that April does to raise raise funds to keep programs going um and and really allow for funds to be redirected from the general fund to to fund other things so if you haven't been to our uh adaptive Cycling Center it's it's just closed so uh but if anybody wants to get in there I got a key we can take a look at what's in there but people can can rent bikes and take them to their neighborhoods or they can rent them right there and expend uh experience their Rosewood preservation opportunities there so it's a 25 000 Grant I think this is the fifth time if I'm remembering the staff report and it's gone for different programs but this will help us operate that and and do more for for the folks in our community to to keep things accessible and will this also pay for equipment operation and Equipment repairs things like that so yeah thank you you're welcome all right Council one motion to approve all right I have a motion I have a second all those in favor say aye aye all those opposed motions unanimously awesome um initiative thank you so much Nathan great job all right councilman breakfast yeah stop report on this uh for the record John Shipman uh the city attorney's office uh so what you have in front of you today is the approval of a legal services agreement with Baron and Bud PC um it's for uh to pursue some uh litigation regarding uh pfas contamination um and so this is essentially a an agreement and we have in the audience we have Mr Trey Rogers here in the audience um from The Firm he can answer any questions uh if it Council has specific questions of the firm um but uh this is uh the same firm and the same Syndicate that Washoe County and the um the airport have engaged to pursue this litigation so um this is essentially just we're presenting a unified front and I mean regionally so that's that's what I have so any questions about this firm you just saw other people hired him and you decided to go hire them also suggest that we do that I think what prompted this was that the fact that the county and the airport retain this firm correct yes how did they do their due diligence about this firm did they I have not quotes you didn't have to ask them about that okay but we were um contacted by these folks and we believe they do in fact have the qualifications and skills and resources necessary to pursue this litigation on behalf of the City of Reno how far did you do due diligence they were sued by their client the city of Santa Monica at one point in the on a class action suit did you did that raise any Flags to you um that didn't raise any Flags to us I mean it's and I'm unaware of that at this point but um again I think this was more to just true up the fact that we have the county in the airport are using the same firm so that's essentially the reasoning so it didn't come up to your you're aware of this but you didn't feel it was material to let us know or now that you mentioned I mean we can definitely go back and look at that and inquire into that if that's the direction of council statement for contingent fee agreements under Colorado law what what's that all about because is that are we in with other people are we under Colorado law what's going on here um I mean I would maybe push that to Mr Rogers if you'd like to address that um I think the the the the way that the agreement is set up it's discussed in both the item title and in the in the agreement which is it's a contingency fee based on 25 of any gross recovery so in in terms if you're asking a Colorado remote question well the exhibit says narrow that down the exhibit says final disbursement statement for contingent fee agreements under Colorado law are we going into court in Colorado or are we going into Federal Mr yeah Mr Rogers we'll address that thank you yes thank you so much Mr Rogers for being here go ahead and answer any questions that you feel um that you can respond to thank you Trey Rogers with the wreck cornfield firm and also on the zoom is uh Carla Burke Pickrell uh with the beard and Bud firm we are both part of the Coalition of firms that's pursuing this litigation as Mr Shipman said on behalf of the Reno Tahoe International Airport on behalf of Washoe County we hope soon on behalf of Reno as well I believe the reason we have that reference to Colorado law is that my firm is a colored firm and under our local rules we have to provide a disbursement statement to when there's any distribution of funds from the settlement of a case or the or a judgment in a case so that's simply because um I'm subject to the rules of professional responsibility in Colorado okay and let me ask you another question so you're a coalition you know I read the proposals and all how many other local government have you signed up um I you know Carly could probably give us a better idea there are literally thousands of cases pending now in a multi-district litigation [Music] in that's that's in South Carolina um I I can't tell you exactly how many those are municipalities uh there are individuals with personal injury claims arising at a pfas exposure there are municipalities there are airports there are water water utilities there are states um you know that's where all of the cases concerning pfas and the damages arising at a pfas have been Consolidated yeah and I get that and I don't know if my questions more um and Mr Shipman you know asked you to approach the dice they're more about the procurement by of local governments by law firm of law firms and Nevada's a unique procurement Statute in that Professional Services and this is a professional service can be obtained without a competitive you know uh process and the process that was used here is well these guys hired him so maybe we should um and I'm just that's what I'm getting to is how often are you hired under chem have you been hired on this matter in a competitive process by a local government I'm sure that some of the local governments have used a competitive process I'll tell you that Baron is Baron and Bud is on the executive committee for the Council of um plano's Council they're one of a handful of firms that's represented on that executive committee but I can't tell you what municipalities have used the competitive process and I was that Carla I heard it was May I address the question sure um to answer your question about the number of public entities we currently in the pfas litigation represent over 200 Public entities the vast majority of those are cities some of them are airport districts we do represent a few States in this litigation as well um one of the things and sometimes we are hired through competitive process and sometimes we are hired because my group of lawyers at the firm this is all we do all we do is represent public entities in environmental contamination cases that has been true of me personally since 2004. so we we have become a go-to firm for public entities looking for help with uh contaminants of a variety of Kinds particularly in in public water systems and storm water systems so we've you know we've kind of we've fit that Niche really well for people who are are looking for that type of representation I appreciate that and I'm sorry to interrupt um Carla would you mind please stating your name and title for the record I'm sorry yeah it's Carla c-a-r-l-a pick roll p-i-c-k-r-e-l I'm a shareholder with Baron and Bud law firm in Dallas Texas and this when Washoe County and the airport Authority hired you did they go under a competitive process they did not okay thank you sure right it's better mayor if I can please I just sort of wanted to weigh in um look as the lawyer on the diocese parent and Bud is one of the nation's preeminent mesothelioma firms they are involved in toxic tort litigation they are widely considered to be one of the most successful and high-minded law firms in this space and so I have every belief that if we desire to involve ourselves in the pfas litigation there would be no better firm than the folks who make up this Coalition of folks obviously each one brings a different kind of specialty and skill I think Miss Park pickerel's skill is evident from her resume it reads like a who's who of both intellectual capabilities and the folks at the firm Are Beyond reproach I understand Miss breakfast's concern about how Professional Services in the state of Nevada are off to not bid I don't think that should detract us from the the goal which is to try to find synergies with other entities here locally that are trying to get a handle on the pfas litigation I think there are certainly economies of scale the kind of testing that may ultimately be required helps us to all be playing with the same set of folks on top of that it is more than just one firm there is a group of firms that are undertaking the effort so in the kind of sort of mass tort litigation especially one that is likely to be as large as this one ultimately may be you benefit from having different folks different background experiences I I recognize that this says Baron and Bud but there will be a lot of different lawyers and different support firms behind it and they will be able to harness the collective power of the best experts all of those things and again the reason why this is in front of us uh and why these firms are here is because of sort of a coalescing of regional Partners who have chosen to work with these group of lawyers I don't think there's anything untoward about that I certainly have not had any communication with anyone at the baron Bud firm but no their reputation is impeccable and also the kosich parcel Taylor firm all of them are excellent and again across the country right you might have folks in Dallas Massachusetts California I'm not sure where this fine gentleman is from but it is complex litigation requires complex hiring decisions and so happy to support this decision today all right well thank you so much Council endure do you have any questions uh no I am good okay thank you so much may I get a motion thank you um councilman no I'll make a motion oh yeah go ahead thank you two um to engage this firm okay thank you madam mayor I have a motion I have a second councilman Ruckus yeah I'm not going to say I recognize that there are firms that do this and this may very well be one of the top firms but I believe this is a very big issue when we've gone into these we have a long-term relationships with these firms nothing would have been hurt by our law our city attorney's office doing a statement of qualifications letting it sit open for a month and letting three firms send in their materials and then doing some due diligence in bringing forward a recommendation or only this firm came forward I don't find satisfactory either the fact that Washoe County and the airport went in someone in this region needs to do the due diligence when we enter into this big of an issue it's not like and that's why we do these joinders all the time some We join on to someone who did that and I think for something of this magnitude that is that is absolutely called for secondly um there seems to be that the terms really allow Baron and Bud in this I think the conglomerate or how it was syndicin or something affirms to sub in and out um rather freely and to me it just appears like grabbing a book of business and then you know it'll work out how it works and I I'm uncomfortable with that so I know we uh we sole source before on the opioid um but I want someone somewhere Who We join with to um ghost away a competitive process on a professional service of this nature so I won't be supporting the motion okay thank you uh all those in favor say aye aye as opposed to emotions carries all right thank you madam clerk back at you thank you madam mayor moving on to item b19 pulled by council member Ebert all right councilman or councilwoman Ebert the floor is yours [Music] hi I just like more information about this um for the record Brad Jensen uh division Chief renal fire um basically what this is It's a pre-planned agreement with another local entity stating if they need help or we need help it's we ask they give we ask or they ask we give it's same thing we have with other entities city of Sparks um Reno Tahoe international airport it's just another good neighbor thing that we do okay so uh is this something that you think would have been helpful when we had that accident where there uh was a car that drove through that uh it was a oh boy they got pinned under a car and there was a delay with First Responders getting to him is this it's very similar situations yes it's very similar um in instances like this if we have a mutual Aid what happens is it eliminates a step in the process that automatically will send a closer unit and if we ask as well if something's bigger it it eliminates another um part of that chain just making things faster more efficient and safer for people in the area great um the other thing it is with the National Air Guard or Nevada Air Guard excuse me which I don't want to have confused with the Reno Tahoe International Airport who also has a fire department the air guard provides a lot of the same services but it's not a redundant service they do have their own property on the airport itself and also if one if Reno Tahoe International is engaged with something we have the opportunity to call for similar equipment that we don't currently have with the City of Reno through the air guard a crash truck for instance which if we have something happen outside of the airport area we are going to need to ask for help from either the Reno Tahoe International or from the air guard so is this just for the Reno Tahoe Airport no this is for the Nevada Air Guard we already have one in place for with the Reno Tahoe International Airport okay okay so it won't be just limited to just that area I mean no it will not be um just the airport area itself when we have a mutual Aid agreement it allows us to cross boundaries it allows us to go into other jurisdictions it allows us to do that without having to call somebody on the other end hey do you mind if we come on over um it's just an automatic thing for us great all right thank you there's one yeah I think it's division manager um you know we do a lot of these Mutual Aid and this is the first one I recall going with the an R you know a component of the Armed military forces and obviously the armed military forces the guards do play a role in our community when we had the breach here at City Hall I think the National Guard was called out and that they're they're an I was the Army National Guard correct that is correct okay so the Air Force National Guard is who this is with that is correct man is it clearly defined in what instance they would be brought forward on this Mutual Aid and what instance they would be brought forth um called into an emergency situation such as a civil unrest is it clear distinction there is not a clear distinction of that however this is strictly for fire service and fire related Services okay so that um it would have to be run through the fire department where we don't have the power to call in for lack of better terms Riot troops or something like that we would be calling strictly if we needed added EMS Services if we needed fire suppression whether it be a brush truck that they might have so that we could fight a Wildland fire like Pine Haven or if we do God forbid have another galaxy uh airline crash in downtown Reno and we get a crash rig so for us it is strictly in the way this is written is strictly for fire and EMS services so like a Galaxy or for the air races incident that would come under the regular emergency declarations by the governor or would it come under this no it would it would come under this to begin with um the anything that the governor does it has to be an extended period of time and there are certain requirements that have to be met before that is used these Mutual Aid Agreements are designed for the first 12 hours and what we do and it's reciprocated by all the parties within Mutual Aid agreements is that the first 12 hours are covered by the responding unit I.E if they ask for help we go on to their property the first 12 hours we essentially work normally after 12 hours is when we can start to charge them and they can start to charge us depending on which direction the boundaries are gone but the first 12 hours is where we just say hey we're going to write it off for now and it works pretty well with all the surrounding areas in the instance of I go back to Pine Haven when we ask for Mutual Aid we got it right now and it kept everything from sliding down into the City of Reno because our friends and neighbors were there right away without that then we do have to go through and ask for certain permissions and it takes time and in instances where we're calling for this time is of the essence thank you all right councilman Ebert I just have one more question so what would be an example where we would be helping the National Guard that's a good question um the Air National Guard also covers State airport um our station nine is right there outside of the gate there could be a time and we've done it both with Reno Tahoe International Airport also has properties out there they call us for Mutual Aid because we're right there everybody else whether it's the air guard or you know Tahoe International has to drive to stead so we can be there in four minutes we're there 14 minutes and if it's 4 30 in the afternoon and you're going to North Valleys it's 25 minutes yeah so that's the kind of thing where we can help them right now great oh have an additional question I think the airport Authority has entered into an agreement with a private developer for about I want to say 8 million square feet of logistics who's providing fire service there that idea I'm unaware of that would be something in fact I know that the airport Authority and the developer with whom they've contracted are both aware that service provision would have to be handled via a separate agreement with of Reno and and with respect to the provision of fire services with respect to policing in that space I believe they intend to operate it at this juncture as an office Park so they would probably maintain the roads they would probably fly the roads but for fire service and things like that the airport Authority and that developer are aware it would have to be done under separate cover as a as a Services agreement so it's not contained in this agreement or any other existing one it is not thank you councilman Ebert give me a motion please uh motion to approve all right I have a motion I have a second all those in favor say aye aye all those opposed motion carries unanimously sending it right back to you madam Clerk thank you madam mayor our final consent item today is item B22 pulled by council member Ebert okay thank you so much I just want to remind everyone it's 10 after three and we are still on consent so I am going to try even harder to keep us on track because I've kind of let everyone just keep rolling so um take it away yeah Jonathan Smith uh good afternoon and American council members Jonathan Smith Senior civil engineer with the public works department I do have a brief presentation on this that I can run through or if you have a specific question I can answer that as well presentation would be great yeah no problem so this is a design agreement for Design Services to replace damaged and filling pipe and increase capacity in our sewer infrastructure Public Works has eight priority areas within the city sewer and storm drain system that are in need of Rehabilitation relocation and upsizing these eight areas have been identified by sewer maintenance Crews and Engineering staff they are located at 8th Street 10th and Ralston Gordon and Walker Mill Street McCarran and Plumas Foley Way Mesa Drive and matley Lane the scope of this project involves replacing 2 200 linear feet of sewer Maine on 8th Street 10th Street and Walker Avenue these lines haven't been identified as high risk to their poor condition and many have had recent collapses in addition the maintenance and operations Department must frequently clean the sewer Mains in these area to prevent clogs and blockages that can lead to sewage backups and system failures but also be upsizing approximately 2 200 linear feet of sewer main on Mesa Drive and Plumas Street Utility Services has evaluated these lines and found that these lines are insufficient to accommodate both the present and anticipated flows and will need to be upsized to meet future demand lastly in order to minimize the impacts to our treatment plants the city has made it a priority to eliminate all storm drain to sewer cross connections so we'll be installing 1900 feet of storm drain to on fully drive and Green Ridge Drive to remove a storm drain to sewer cross Connection in that area foreign so if approved today this would kick off the the design would kick off this month we look to advertise this project in the spring probably late spring and we'll be back before Council for a construction approval agreement and if approved we would go to Construction in the summer of 24. it's my recommendation slide thanks did you have a question no that was it thank you for your presentation no problem can I get a motion yeah okay have a motion by Miss Hebert attacked by Miss Taylor any additional questions or comments at this time hearing none I'll call for the question all those in favor please signify by saying aye aye aye any opposed motion carries unanimously Madam clerk item c one Charlie one or Mr Clerk thank you let the record reflect that city council is opening the public hearing on item Charlie one am I opening multiple items together is it Charlie one two and three yes we are okay so I let the record reflect the city councils open into public hearing on items Charlie won through Charlie three uh Mr clerk was proper notice given any correspondence received uh yes proper notice was giving and just one moment we check on the correspondence I didn't see any no correspondence received thank you and do any council members need to make any disclosures at this time okay Mr Oswald I'll bring you forward for staff presentation good afternoon city council my name is Brooke Oswald I'm a social planner with development services that is the applicant's presentation case before you today is case ldc230055 we did have the three items that we do have a resolution and ordinance associated with this uh looking at the project site it's approximately a third of an acre site consists of three Parcels um down in the lower left is 395 and where we have Panther Drive coming over Panther Drive and Newport there um while we're on this slide I want to look at a few things so you can see the development pattern here we have the large uh big footprint buildings those are industrial buildings sitting off to the right of the project site or which is would be the East to the west and directly north of the site we're seeing a number of uh large lot residential uh through there I'll go into a little bit more detail on on some of the context of this on following slides and then to the far right here sorry far left of the site or west of the site you start to see residential development a little bit more dense residential development quickly just to give everyone a reference where we are this is Western the intersection of Western Drive and panther Drive coming in closer to the site as you can see the little lines that run through there there are three Parcels those are approximately uh 9400 square foot a piece um we are seeing you can see those uh direct buildings to the side or sorry the large industrial buildings um Western Drive becomes the main drive for that industrial so we're seeing warehouse distribution other industrial uses over there and Western out to Panther and then out Panther under 395 is the main uh kind of drive through there uh this is for a master plan and zoning map Amendment and I'll go into those in a little bit more detail we are in Ward four did you can see we're at that southern portion of Ward Ford per the diagram so I've included this uh really quickly this is uh exit 72 off 395. this is the overpass over Panther Drive of 395 and then our other access only other access to this site is Link Drive there's a really unique area as you can see there's a large Circle it goes around or the large circumference of that that is the railroad right away and 395 so there really are those two uh entrances uh into this general area the Blue Area itself is the City of Reno or that light gray area those areas are outlined in Orange are County Properties so as I showed before we have those large um lot residential County Properties up there these are those islands within there they they do have the ability to Annex they are adjacent to the city we couldn't see annexation Master Clan zoning potentially on those properties in the future to go in and look at our master plan on the left there's our master plan we have that large lot directly above us this is single family neighborhood the bright yellow and below that is our industrial master plan our master plan policies that apply to this or are under utilized properties and really the growth tiers this is an area where we have utilities Services already in place moving over to the right and our zoning District we we are zoned sf8 that sf8 zoning came through an annexation that happened in approximately 2007. they moved from that large lot residential uh to that sf8 zoning and then subsequently in in 2008 uh they they subdivided uh that into those three Parcels we did have a residential or building permits in for uh homes on that in 2018 those were never completed and have now expired um Additionally you can see the the zoning underneath the industrial master plan is I see the gray that surrounds this site another thing that we should look at as we look at this that SF zoning that we currently have there that would be residential we'd anticipate driveways going in there what driveways do is you pull in straight and you back out and as I mentioned this is the truck traffic Route that runs through that other area so we are looking at this the safety area of that use so we are going to the master plan of Emmy and the conforming zoning of me underneath them just to pull this out to put in the context of our overall zoning looking at that Railroad in this very unique area here uh 72 the overpass 395. we're coming in with that me master plan which is similar to what we see uh directly across 395 there coming into our zoning once again our identifiers of exit 72 and the overpass we're coming in with the Emmy zoning under that uh industrial master plan that we have uh to the east of this project site we we also have some additional Emmy the Emmy is unique in that that intensity of uses it is still allows some industrial uses but that intensity is really taken back so we have our industrial which allows our most intense users our industrial commercial and then our me another unique thing about me is that any use requires a conditional use permit if it wants to run between the hours of 11 pm and 6 a.m and this is really important as we look at that residential adjacency because of that adjacency any future development that will happen on that site will require a discretionary review and we can uh look at the appropriateness of that now staff with this size of project and stuff like that Heights and things are going to be constrained just by the project size itself and that that being under an acre in size so that you do have two sets of findings you have your master plan findings and your zoning map findings staff was able to make all of those findings that concludes my presentation I'll leave you with a motion available for questions okay did you say Mr Oswald that there was an applicant presentation in the hopper the applicant does have a presentation if you'd like to view that okay we'll here we'll hear that next Mr cabotic welcome thank you uh Mr vice mayor John crumpada kls planning representing the applicant much of my stuff is duplicated to Brooks as you know about if I just hold on the PowerPoint and if you have any questions glad to let's start here with um councilmember Ebert do you want to start us off [Music] John Mr component did reach out to me and offer you know to answer any questions that I had um and I I didn't have any really I went toward the site um it does currently look like it's like a storage area for a masonry fair to say it's in a lot of disrepair right yeah looking yes yeah and I did not speak to the residents that are right against that lot but I did actually have a constituent that met with me that says they are in support of the zoning change so um I will support the change just based on the current use and you know the constituent that says that they support it so um I don't really have any further questions and you know as he stated it it currently looks like a storage lot so well actually I do have a question what what are their plans like what what do they want it to look like I mean if if it's already a storage lot a typical uh so so clean up the storage part remove that typical development project a new building in the back landscape parking very low intensity transitional uses staff has pointed out yeah you know more consistent with me and a good interface with the single family and transition so potentially more aesthetically pleasing actually there's there's no question about the uh investment in community for sure yeah yeah I don't appreciate that any other questions from the dice I didn't think I had any either but can I go to Mr hall because I think we've got to do some readings how would you like this to handle item c one through three and read C3 and then we'll go back and do each of the Great Brook can present the motion and we'll move from there okay let's go ahead and do the reading case number LDC 23-00055 Diaz masonry on its introduction bill number 7248 ordinance command Title 18 chapter 18.02 of the Reno Municipal Code entitled zoning rezoning a plus or minus 0.65 Acre Site consisting of three Parcels located on the north side of Western Road plus or minus 170 feet east of its intersection with Panther drive and single family residential eight units per acre sf8 to mixed employment me together with matters which pertain to or are necessarily connected there with word for thank you Mr Hall we'll start with item Charlie one which is the proposed motions in the staff report Miss Ebert just move to approve uh motion to approve okay of a motion by Miss Ebert second by Mr Martinez any additional comments at this time Harry Nano call for the question all those in favor please signify by saying aye aye any opposed motion carries unanimously on to C2 charlie2 the master plan amendment is this a motion to adopt the resolution uh Mr Hall okay Miss Hebert um to approve okay I have a motion by Miss Hebert a second by Mr Martinez any additional questions hearing none I'll call for the question all those in favor please signify by saying aye aye any opposed motion cares unanimously as to our item Charlie three this is the zoning map Amendment so this is a motion to refer motion to prove okay I have a motion for referral a second by Mr Martinez any additional questions at this time Harry none I'll call for the question all those in favor please signify by saying aye aye any opposed motion carries unanimously okay Madam clerk tell us where we are again please remember D1 Reese we're moving on to item D1 that is correct city attorney's office let's take a uh five minute recess just so we can get reset and a comfort break so we'll be in recess for five minutes thank you thank you oh yeah thank you all right we're we're back in business Madam clerk can you hear me hello Madame mayor if you're ready to call the meeting back to order it is 3 36 and council member door is absent at this time okay thank you so much we're back in order at this time we're gonna head to item D1 am I correct you are correct okay um Madam clerk do we have any public comment on this item thank you madam mayor we do have public comment on this item from Ken McNeil additionally if you are in an attendee in the zoo meeting and would like to make public comment please raise your hand at this time Ken if you'd like to approach the mic all right well good afternoon mayor City Council it's been a long time to get to this point yeah I want to say thank you not for necessarily agreeing with every concern that the neighbors had about this project but for your willingness to objectively look at the concerns that we raised we sincerely thank you sincerely I'm guessing the council members who voted not to appeal the decision of Judge draculic never thought that the developer would take additional action against the city and I'm guessing if you knew that you probably would not have agreed to the judge's decision I'm particularly concerned today about the absence of detail in the proposed settlement of three and a half million to the public I mean this is a public hearing and and I am concerned about spending public funds for something that I think is very unfortunate for a lot of reasons but there there doesn't seem to be much detail in the background information regarding this item and I think that the public should be entitled to know what the attorneys are claiming in regards to construction delays well what costs do they incur for construction delay we get construction delays on projects all the time for a lot of different reasons attorneys fees I mean which attorney's fees for what what part this has been a long legal battle I mean I thought the the judge denied some of their requests for legal fees so which legal fees are we talking about and then litigation costs that's not well defined at least at this point for a member of the public and I I want to tell you I know whatever you decide today will be difficult for a lot of reasons it's just an unfortunate situation um if you do agree I think that there's certain wording in that agreement probably that will exclude the city from any further legal um I don't know uh encounters with the developer is there any way you could include language so that you know I was subpoenaed for all of my written records is there any way yes I was and so were some other people and is there any way that you can also put some wording in not so much that I'm concerned but I know some of the other people that had to provide records are worried that these developers might somehow file a lawsuit against them I don't think that's going to happen but it's is it possible if you do agree today that you could put wording that would protect us thank you um okay is there any other public comment with that Madame mayor we have no additional public comment and have not received any correspondence on this item okay thank you so much so on my um agenda it says um I thought there would be a staff presentation on here I don't see one but I would love to send it to our City attorney Carl Hall do you want to walk the council through what we're doing here today maybe provide a little bit more transparency of how we got here why we're here um because I don't think to this gentleman's point that it has been mapped out for the the public and the reason why that's really important for me and I think everyone on this body is there's a perception out there in the public that this body has the right to do whatever they want and deny a project for any reason and it doesn't work like that there are property rights there are findings that we have to make and when we don't and we fall short then we end up becoming liable I see it all the time um in you know online and and in media comments about how we have the ability to make those decisions when we really don't um and I think this is a classic example of what happens whenever you can't um you know get to all the points that we need to be there on the legal side to make sure that the city doesn't have liability um I wish we had that kind of uh purview but but we don't and again I think that's where the this Council well every Council gets painted with this brush that we have the ability to turn down a project whether and you could come into a project and not like it or like it whatever the you know whatever it is but you have to make the findings because people have property rights so I really want um you to sort of lay that out so the public knows kind of how we get here well I think you hit the nail on the head in terms of does council have discretionary review or do you not have discretionary review in this particular case it started off with a tentative map and conditional use permits for construction of over 600 676 homes ended up 632 homes and 955 acres in the Mortensen Garson overlay District staff recommended approval obviously the applicant recommended approval staff or Council was concerned about Hillside development traffic fire and all those concerns were voiced and Council indicated their inability to make the findings just as our Planning Commission did however when we went to court um the court seemed to rely on the fact that staff recommended it and that the applicant had experts that did address fire traffic Hillside development and the court found that your decision was arbitrary and capricious and so you know there is a gray area in the law I don't think it's very clear in terms of you know do you have discretionary review or do you not and you know based upon this ruling it doesn't appear as though you have discretionary uh you can make those discretionary decisions without a backup from staff for example or other professionals at least that's the way I'm reviewing this case now at the end of the day we can you know we asked for permission to appeal that was denied and they sought damages based upon the delay in their ability to start developing or building these homes so you know initially they asked for um you know before we entered negotiations over 20 million dollars and so you know after negotiations and and mediation this was the number that we arrived at um you know and as far as specifics on a particular case you know we don't talk about specifics in a different case because if you do not want to follow through with this staff recommendation then we're going to ask for probably two million dollars in litigation budget and we're going to go into Discovery and then we're going to be in litigation for you know several years I would assume and as far as attorneys fees their attorney's fees if I recall correctly we're somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 000 but under this agreement everybody's paying their own attorney's fees but we're not paying their attorney's fees put it that way um so our recommendation is to you know put this matter to bed and move forward we do have um and as far as whether or not I can put into the agreement that San Lucas isn't going to sue any of the neighbors out in Verdi no cannot do that okay okay we'll be able to share with the public so people know exactly where the money went itemized or how I don't know like legally there is this there was Discovery and there was materials provided by plaintiff's council regarding what their claim damages were so you know at the end of litigation I I imagine we could at least provide some of that information okay thank you I appreciate that and then I just wanted to say um thank you to and she's not here anymore but councilwoman uh Jordan um and councilman Reese uh for I know that this was very um difficult but I saw both of you just fighting diligently for the residents and and I appreciate that because I know we get to these places and sometimes they're incredibly disappointing and I think this is one of those but I think we also end up moving towards more liability if we end up moving forward and you know appealing and losing and I think that's the risk that we that we run here um and and so I I guess under your recommendation um Carl is that what you are going to recommend yes I'd like to limit our potential exposure and this is what I'm recommending okay all right thank you any questions from the council go ahead councilman breakfast so I appreciate the history but so after the council decided to not appeal and obey council member or judge draculics's order to issue the subdivision they came forward with a suit initially of 20 million dollars in Damages yes did you cost break down those 20 million dollars and have them verified in any way yes we did actually you know look into what and that was part of the mediation process is trying to figure out you know were those actual damages are they something that their expert made up okay so and that was part of the mediation process and certainly if you want to go forward then we can you know that'll be part of the discovery process and then we can hire experts and then we can you know litigate from okay I'll get you the mediation but this 20 million dollars has now evolved to or devolved to a 3.5 million dollar cash settlement out of the risk fund which is budgeted every year through the general fund by the city um and you said if we don't do this then you want a two million dollar budget to defend this lawsuit that's right I'll bring back another item so that we can fund litigation and how would you propose that that be done through the through the hiring of outside counsel no I hadn't anticipated hiring outside counsel well the two million I'm anticipating having to hire experts to yes experts you know address yeah her claims how much because I've been on for a long time now how much money did it cost for you to defend the Swan Lake Silver Swan Lake flooding is that because is that a ballpark because where'd you come up with this two million dollars for experts in litigation defense discussion amongst my staff okay just I'd like I would have liked to have seen just an assistant on that yeah you know it could have been hey here's a complex litigation that we had to defend on went to trial lost it cost this much in experts you know because because I you know it's just what you're saying and I get the idea you don't if the council says no we're not gonna go here you know I just I appreciate that we have to keep some strategy you know in our pockets the five hundred thousand dollars that they stated were there legal fees that Mr Emil brought up isn't there like a standard that the court system looks at to verify legal fees this gets to go that not yeah but fortunately that's not an issue in this particular case in this particular case because we are not paying legal fees but yes if that were an issue and they requested legal fees they'd have to show proof that they spent the time on the case to justify those fees and so through the mediation million you didn't look over or talk about the legal fees and he didn't show those up to you or anything like that didn't talk about legal fees okay okay but obviously legal fees are off this correct now if we go with this correct okay mediation who is the mediator Justice Hardesty and who assigned him we selected him okay he appears in some of the pleadings doesn't he by name some of the exhibits that they offered correct right yeah is it unusual for a mediator to also be in a hit by name and exhibit you know in light of the fact that he was involved in resolving the law lawsuit between the county and designing the handbook the Morton Morton overlay handbook and that he was the judge over that seemed like he was a person that had the most knowledge to discuss this issue I see it differently it seems like he's been the biggest proponent and keeper of it and maybe had a conflict of interest but I don't know the judicial ethics but I just want want that to go in because I know I got a copy of something yeah if we could um refrain from we haven't notified Justice okay so I'm I'm we just do not want to violate the open meeting law by you know talking about people without giving them the opportunity to respond really comments you think it would be an oml problem okay that's the concern okay sure yes that let me ask you again how many days of mediation did you go into I believe three three days it's our practice to bring in a council member sometimes more than one did you ask one of the council members to attend yes who attended Kathleen Taylor okay okay and and council member Reese they did they did yes okay okay and Miss Taylor wasn't involved previously but you know it was a full member of the body Mr Reese was involved um did you during the mediation say look three and a half million dollars why don't we add to this in dispersing of claims a write down of some of the unit camp or maybe the city gets fee simple some of the very difficult land that was the basis for the denial did you come in and think about anything else on the city's behalf land or development rights did you ever bring that forward as a concept no why not and and again Madame mayor I just want to be clear on the record that we can't get into the specifics of the mediation in an open session why not because that is the the mediation was a confidential mediation it is not for on record if you want to ask these questions about what happened that is better accomplished in an attorney-client meeting but we cannot be doing that okay all of that right there raises big flags for me and for the public of how we got here spending three and a half million dollars to a developer who sued us okay because I know folks around this town who got flooded and I've been by the Reno fire department and it's all on videotape and people out by chewies who have 24-hour lights beeping in their windows with the nuisance that Chewie's been they haven't sued okay but they've suffered a lot too this was always a concern that we were going to be you know whoever can take it to the next Fifth Quarter and Sue this Council will deliver to them and in this case we're delivering general fund money three and a half million dollars I am not supporting and um you know I'm ready to litigate that and give you a two million dollar budget when you show me some cost breakdown of that it's gonna cost two million dollars sure um so this is a difficult project for me because as I think this body knows I voted against the San Lucas project twice and I also voted to appeal judge draculitch's order and so I have been thinking very much about this project and the litigation so I think I I would just go back to what Mr Hall Mr Shipman have stated which is given that judge draculitch's order is the law of the case in this case and that we did not appeal that we're in a difficult position to Prevail in the litigation the law of the case in this case will will be that we somehow exceeded our discretionary Authority and now what we're really talking about what are the damages and so that is the problem that I find myself with I believe strongly that the cost to litigate this case will far exceed three and a half million dollars that's the amount that it will cost to um go into a very heavy focused litigation that involves experts and so for my part it's really a business decision I'm certainly interested in hearing my colleagues comment about what the risk is in terms of the excess liability above the three and a half million dollars for my part two I will say that I did attend the mediation with Miss Taylor it was I think a very uh a good effort on our staff's part uh the the lawyers assigned to this have been top-notch their work is impeccable Justice Hardesty I think did a very good job of trying to help the parties reach a resolution and I could find no fault with any of the activities that he undertook so again I I'm I'm interested to hear if my colleagues have any thoughts but for my legal perspective uh there are certainly going to be more costs associated with this case than three and a half million dollars and the uncertainty is that we can spend you know in excess of that and we know that there are hard costs for example the hard cost that I think is is most telling is the fact that we increased our sewer connection fees between the time this project was denied and now what they are today and so certainly the developer can point to that as a hard number and that number is on the magnitude of somewhere in the neighborhood of seven million dollars and so just the sheer damage uh numbers when you start to add them up are pretty high and so um yeah I'm willing to hear my colleagues other colleagues comments I also thank Madam mayor you hit the nail on the head earlier which is the you know we we don't have all the rights that people sometimes imagining us have on this dice our review is discretionary but that review is often involved in the checks and balances that come from being one part of a government system that has three separate and co-equal branches and so um I think there have been people who have reached out to me that have said hey I'm worried about the Precedence that gets set here by this action I think that that is a red herring I think this is a very unique case that is really primarily dictated by the fact that we did not appeal judge Dracula's order and are now kind of stuck with what that order says so again I'll let my colleagues have a few minutes to chat about it and then I may have some second questions and come back around favorite go ahead yeah I have some questions um what were the specific reasons given for um saying no to this project no I mean and why didn't they hold up I mean if I if I maybe out of marriage just as a quick review and I think uh Carl touched upon it Mr Hall touched upon it so um it came up through Planning Commission Planning Commission had issues regarding access regarding Hillside development and regarding fire Services Council yeah heard those and had very similar concerns so the record was um built upon that and we're talking that was a prior case so just so we understand there was the case for petition for judicial review that's the one in which judge Dracula issued her order and then there is the current case which is a damages case uh but it is based upon what happened in that case so so it was this was a this was a again quickly to your point if I can because it was at Hillside development access and fire Services were the concerns that the council had in denying the um tentative map and the um okay it's out of curiosity with councilmember Taylor on the Planning Commission that declined this I believe so okay conflict with having or being part of the mediation as well there's not okay actually I think that's a good thing because she did actually know the project which councilwoman breakfast sort of refuted that she wasn't here at the time so I appreciate that good question okay thank you um the other thing is I guess I and maybe I'm wrong with John or Carl but if we just start denying projects we could put the city into bankruptcy do you agree with that um and this is me right this is not Carl necessarily but I I think the the um essentially the council has has a charge has a set of laws that have been handed down by the state has a set of ordinances that it has adopted and ultimately what we have are a set of standards and those standards are what need uh what council has to measure these cases by so um and that's that's where the marshalling of evidence comes that's where the planners come that's where we look at what what is being asked uh and to to be built and then what potentially needs to happen to mitigate maybe some of the unintended consequences of what's being built and denials have to be um based upon evidence based upon testimony and based upon things that are objectively true so so dear to your point and the short answer would be is you can't like willy-nilly deny things things just because you don't like them you have to have some sort of evidentiary basis for that denial Inland use so the council doesn't have purview to do whatever they want they do not they do not okay I think there is a big perception out there and that's what's always so challenging right um so I appreciate you clarifying that and then also obviously as we move forward none of us want to add sort of fire to this Flame um you know I also get hesitant about what we say would you I mean can you give us some guidance there if that if that's problematic say I guess about like what we're saying I mean you've had some council members up here just saying I disagree with that because it seems to be so much easier to do and might sound much more popular but I I think also we get a little apprehensive when we're in this position to say less are you talking about this item or are you talking land use I guess maybe I'm not I well maybe this item so this item is really just to there is a settlement offer on the table 3.5 million dollars to dismiss the case um there's an agreement that's attached on what you're being asked for today is to look at that agreement um and then approve the agreement is the recommendation of the city attorney's office that will terminate the the existing litigation that'll all be dismissed parties will go away um that doesn't mean development will stop or anything you're still going to be seeing development in the area they're still going to be getting um you know tentative maps and things coming forward so um but but yes this will this will put an end to the existing litigation and the potential liabilities it potentially grows over time yeah yeah okay all right thank you for clarifying that councilman Eber so I just want to get some things on the record so we've already kind of lost once right the court said we don't have the ability to say no based on the reasons that we gave so it's kind of set a precedent to a degree right so we can continue to fight this but it has not when you say president hasn't set a legal precedent what I mean we we did not appeal it so yeah so what this potential trial is is more akin to I mean there's some there's some and I got to be careful here because I mean this is still active litigation yeah and so we don't we don't want to really go into that's exactly what I was trying okay I guess that's what I'm trying to get to right yeah the point the point is is that you have an offer to settlement today and we do believe it's a good offer uh to make this go away given um you know the respective positions of all the parties you know and what people are giving up and what we're gaining um and overall for the City of Reno we think this is a good deal okay all right so okay all right thank you I guess that's where I was trying to get to Jonathan being active and what we should and shouldn't say yeah I apologize for that I'm just trying to understand yeah I'm not saying anything this is active litigation so we don't I mean we really need to keep the discussion to the agreement and um and all right um we're gonna move forward for a motion of councilman why we do that um I appreciate my colleagues participating in the mediation and thank you Mr Hall and your staff for uh being so steadfast in this I do want to make sure just for the record 3.5 million is a lot of money and so I just want to ask did we do everything possible to make sure to get to the lowest number that we can in this agreement in the settlement process yes okay thank you and I want to say when we were briefed the two attorneys that I brief that briefed us have incredible backgrounds incredible histories they have really done what I saw some pretty phenomenal work on this and a lot of due diligence and know it like the back of their hands Sean Denis and Holly I gotta say um I I was I was very convinced you know so I want to say thank you to them and also councilwoman Jardin who is not here but uh councilman Reese for really fighting in the background because a lot of times that's the other thing is people don't really honestly see you know the work that goes into something on the back side and so sometimes we forget to recognize that so I want to say thank you to Carl and and your team and uh councilman Reese so all right I need a motion go ahead uh three minutes yeah I want to talk to my call we have the subject they came through and got what they wanted they have those enhanced development rights okay so the argument in Mr Hall mentioned this is the time and the delay that they had while we went through the process of denying the project and the Planning Commission and litigated that okay so time and delay now think about this how much delay it could happen in the future with them because all you know Mr Reese asked I want to know you know from my colleagues what are the other considerations I'll tell you what if you watch the Planning Commission agendas right now what's going on is other people right now because this is where we are in the development cycle are coming in and asking for extensions of time in their tentative Maps they're not people who were involved in litigation they're people who have attended a map and the market is in a different place he has a tentative map and the market is in a different place we don't owe him for this time okay we do not owe him for this time we do not owe him three and a half million for time because we have a Quantified the other factors of the time he probably wants to sell this to Toll Brothers or someone else okay it's very difficult man there's a lot of other tentative Maps out there most of the market wants to build single family right now okay so don't don't be thinking that we have this big liability because we really haven't tickled it down and I'm telling you it's tentative map and this map will sit out there and sit out there and sit out there it will it's very difficult ground to deliver it's it's further up than summer is that it ain't gonna come it is not going to come they'll be asking for extensions and then whoever they sell it to will be asking for extensions that's why I say continue to litigate or mediate a better deal for the city council now we've got one two three people who sat through their first budget cycle think about what three and a half million dollars could have done on the different budget cycle we had Mr um Parks director here today and talk about where his budget is it's flat let's take three and a half million you know if we have three and a half million we could throw it there this is very unusual do not be wooed by the threat of someone our job is to deliver prudent fiscal decisions for all of our residents this is not this is under a threat we litigate for someone who we will bring experts in says he is not in the time being timely he has not been caused that's how I see it I'm a planner I've been through four development Cycles I know how these things work guess what there's a development out in Domani Ranch flat ground that had a tentative map come through and like 2007 it just went to construction okay so there's tenant maps all over this community sitting us planning staff to show you how many tenantment maps are there and how many have been extended yeah thank you no I totally believe that I guess Carl I mean here here's the thing what I would say and and Jenny listen I'm a councilman breakfast um and I hope you don't take this the wrong way I think you're very smart very intelligent the one thing though is that you are not an attorney and what happens if we roll the dice and then we have end up having to pay 6 million and and I I get where you're coming from saying you know don't be threatened by this but I think this Council has to be very very aware of what we could face if we don't so Carl maybe you could address that because I'm not understanding what councilwoman breakfast is exactly suggesting and to me it sounds like appealing it which you tell me what the risk is there so what I it's not an option what I think try it what I think councilman for breakfast is suggesting is that we continue to litigate but my concern is if we continue to litigate the damage issue we end up in the Supreme Court we're four or five years down the road that our potential exposure would be much higher than 3.5 million so that's why staff's recommendation is that we resolve this matter today okay and I I wanted to speak to miss breakfast because I was at the mediation and um you've said appropriately I think miss burkus that you are a planner and you've seen four cycles of planning boom and bust uh conversely I'm a lawyer who spent 25 years litigating I'm not intimidated by anyone's threats to me but what I always tell my clients and I would uh you know act as Mr Hall and Mr Shipman's clients today is you know what are you willing to willing to risk you are going to be off this Council in two years and and Madame mayor the same um Miss doer I think shortly after that and at some point in time a very big bill is going to come due because we're not going to zero them out we've already lost that part they've already said we're liable all they're really talking about now is how much are the damages and you are right that the damages I don't think can be inflated by the fact that we are in a very difficult called building environment and no one is either building or buying those damages are why the High number of like 24 million which they started with was laughable right so what we tried to figure out during that mediation process is what are really damages here and and how do we make that 20 million or 22 plus million dollars be as small as possible that we can both walk away from it unhappy the developer and their folks certainly believe they're entitled to more we of course would like to have less and that is often the time of a good settlement where no one agrees and so um it those the damage experts who are going to have to be hired are economists Realtors construction people um all of these things are very expensive litigation is time consuming so there's the cost to the city when we have other things to be doing and and ultimately it's just not a risk that I am willing to take meaning I voted with you to appeal it I was thankful that you and I and Miss Dewer did that but our colleagues at the time felt that they were cutting off the liability as best they could at that time to stop the inevitability of larger damages who knows how much that could have been and so I don't find fault with that except to say that I voted with you miss breakfast to continue appealing and that was not the route now faced with the prospect of the fact that we have an order that says we are liable it is not a question of fighting that that fight has been fought as a question of how much does anyone owe and that number is going to be significantly larger than three and a half million dollars and if we even if you just calculate the interest from the point in time when it is plus the sewer credits as I've indicated I think the sewer credits alone were somewhere on the magnitude of eight million dollars and I like you believe that they are not going to build this project necessarily that it is going to be a tentative map that comes in and sits and does things I don't see people building there it's very difficult ground it's very challenging at the upper reaches of it but again it's a business decision at this point not anything else than that and and so ultimately I conclude that I will support the settlement agreement okay thank you um anyone else okay yeah go ahead councilman yeah just to clarify and I'm sorry I misspoke earlier and just I'm about where we are in the process but I just want to agree that you know I I feel like this is can only cost more you know to Devon's point about hiring more experts and things like that just in the in the process of fighting it it could cost the city um more than the 3.5 million dollars and and I I fully agree with the um the principle of it that um you know that it's it's a bad look to do this but I think that um this is going to be the most cost effective way to deal with this all right anyone else I'm gonna send it to vice mayor give me a motion mayor I will move to approve staff recommendations all right I have a motion do you have a second Madame mayor go ahead I I respect whatever decision this vote goes but oh wait hold on I need a second I'm not supporting I think there's times when you stand and this is one to stand and not let the Reno Public know that this council is bullied in to paying out people okay we've got a development process we went through it in good faith the Planning Commission the city council then in good faith the majority issued it to them in the under the guise that there were that would end it and we'd be out of it now he's back again that is a sign to the public that this Council will be bullied and bullied by someone who wants a payout on their behalf and it is not at all right and it is very unprecedented there's people to stand up against and these are the people to stand up against there's people to work collaboratively with I look at the litigation docket a lot and the litigation docket looks at the people our own employees on workman's comp people get hit and runs all sorts of people we go hard against them we defend hard against them when they're coming in at us like plaintiffs and here we are rolling in our you know against these plaintiffs that's very wrong all right thank you so much I don't wish this for my government all right thank you very much councilwoman breakfast let me just say because I want to make sure the public hears no one has bullied this Council this Council has on the ballardini ranch project on all the way the United States Supreme Court this council is not easily bullied or Hoodwinked we're just trying to make the best economic decision we can for our community because I don't want to see an 11 million dollar judgment five years from now that we could have resolved for three and a half million because um you know Lord willing I'll be on this body at that time and I I will not be able to say that we pass on the opportunity that's really it it's not a judgment against you I've stood with you on this matter I just diverge with you on making this business decision today say this this Council was not bullied whenever we voted against this project period we we were not and we felt strongly about it and we fought for the residents and so um I know you disagree with this councilman breakfast you're not an attorney I would beg to differ that probably in Carl's office if you asked every single attorney in your office this would be the recommendation for this Council would you agree I think what what would be way worse if we were willing to gamble with all your tax dollars and turned around and said no we're going to fight this and ended up in litigation over and over and over again for long periods of time came back after you're gone after I'm gone and probably you councilman Reese and probably you councilwoman Ebert with 10 20 million dollar judgments of what the original ask was would you agree Carl that that could be the possible outcome here I would agree that the exposure would be a lot more than potentially a lot more than the settlement amount in this case that we're recommending okay so I have a motion a second all those in favor say aye all those opposed no motion carries all right Madam Clerk thank you madam mayor we're now moving on to item D3 d as in David three good afternoon I come bearing good to dance that was stressful can we have some good news um good afternoon Madam mayor council member city manager Thornley Monica Cochran director of housing neighborhood development for the record I'm here today to request acceptance of an appropriation made from ab396 for the purpose of providing rental assistance during the 82nd session of the Nevada legislature ab396 was passed which allocates 18 million Statewide from the state's general fund for rental assistance and became effective July 1 of this year with half the funds being available this year and half the funds being available the following fiscal year as you can see from this Slide the target populations are the elderly persons with disabilities and families or persons facing unanticipated emergencies of the appropriation 3 million was allocated for the City of Reno which equates to 1.5 million for this year and for the following year um to go towards the city of Reno's rental and deposit assistance program this appropriation comes at a really great time as our era funds that were awarded through the treasury during the pandemic are sun setting um I'd like to take this moment to discuss the rental and deposit assistance program that these funds would support as you know the city operates a rental or has operated a rental and deposit assistance program for many years this program was greatly expanded during the pandemic with funding extra staff and infrastructure put in place to help households in need in the past three years we've dispersed 11.7 million assisting approximately 3 600 households which are non-duplicated households um I'd also like to mention that of this amount just in the last year 4.5 it was 4.5 million and 1400 households for the last fiscal year um this is three years um and then I just wanted to know just for last fiscal year it was 1405 households and um 4.5 million and the average number of months of assistance for folks was 2.25 months okay um clients are eligible for up to three months of assistance whether they get it at one time or at separate times but up to three months um however once they reach that maximum they aren't eligible to apply again for 24 months um our program serves the most vulnerable households with a maximum income of 60 percent Ami many of these households are just making ends meet that sometimes they have to choose between utilities and rent and they can get into some sticky situations sometimes we know it's unlikely that these households would Experience One housing instability crisis in their lifetime and it would be cruel for us to limit this assistance to once a lifetime so therefore they're eligible again once every two years if they hit another housing crisis um as the pandemic has tapered off um and our program is reverted to a true emergency assistance program we started trying to gather some additional information instead of just households served and dollars expended and we started sending out surveys and the way that they're going to go out we kind of went last fiscal year and then we'll be doing three months six months and 12 months we'll be we'll be checking in with households uh and this is where we asked just a few questions about their current housing situation some services that they might need in the future and their satisfaction with the service that they received as you can see from the respondents um here 86 percent of the folks that we assisted are still housed with a great number of them still being in the house that they were when or the unit they were in when we assisted them and 96 exceeded uh was satisfactory or exceeded in the experience they received from our staff I like the blue line I think it's pretty cool I have great people so I'm really excited about that um as we go on farther down the road and we have more data to collect um I think that we're going to see some really good trends foreign oops go back um as many of you saw uh on Monday well not many but council members Taylor and Martinez saw during my presentation to see Hab uh on a similar topic I had many quotes that staff receive thanks from people that we helped some are handwritten some are emails and I just wanted to read one to you because I think it kind of says it all in what we hope will be accomplished for most people um words cannot describe how much this program helped me it really allowed me to get back on track during a difficult time I will forever be grateful and hope this program can help other families and individuals in my situation I hope to pay it forward one day I think that one statement says it all um and makes my heart Happy here is the recommendation to accept these funds which will allow us to continue to help some of our most vulnerable residents in the city and I am available for any questions if you have any okay thank you so much go ahead councilman Reese Madam mayor thank you Miss Cochran uh absolutely we needed the mood lifter so thank you for that uh the work that you and your team are doing in in hand is uh really some of the most important work we do at the city um a lot of lives are changed the work that you're doing so thank you for sharing with us that one example um it's probably not a week that doesn't go by where we've sent you the most difficult of cases that come to us and so you have my appreciation thanks for that this is an obvious no-brainer that we would accept the funds but it's also a good time to reflect on the work that you and your team have done and to just say thank you so that's my uh ask today is that we just be very mindful of the work that you've done and you have my thanks thank you madam air before we go into rounds of discussion we do have a public commenter in the audience so if you're okay if we could take that before we go into discussions very friendly face in the house I didn't mean to make a big deal but I was very excited when she walked in Cadence matiavich come on up representing the county and it's so nice to see you and it's probably been a while since you've been back in this building but it's really been a nice day seeing uh Bill Thomas and Now Cadence thank you thank you madam mayor of uh for the record uh Cadence mativic as you said representing Washoe County uh it does feel a little bit like City of Reno alumni day today um so it's always a pleasure to to be here with you um so thank you madam mayor and members of the Reno city council uh manager Thornley I'm here today to say thank you um on a couple of things related to this item uh the first thing that I want to say thank you for is the city of Reno's advocacy during the legislature to be sure uh that these funds that Northern Nevada was included in receiving State appropriations of rental funds um as you may know when the bill was originally introduced funds were only going to Southern Nevada yeah um and so uh there was a lot of work that was done uh to be sure that we were included um I you know I think in the in the final couple of weeks of session that maybe not a day went by AI that Mr cecconi and I didn't touch base to say are we good on rental assistance and make sure that there wasn't anything more that we needed to be doing collaboratively to be sure that these funds came to the north so thank you for for those efforts and he was tenacious and and his efforts should be recognized so thanks Nick Nick was amazing it was and he's way too humble but he had her back every step of the way and actually also the county the region so thank you for recognizing him because I think a tough and so to make some strides in that capacity and you recognizing him I think it means a lot yeah so so the second item that I want to say thank you uh to the City of Reno for is is your willingness uh to include unincorporated residents of Washoe County as eligible for these funds um while we were advocating for these funds to come to Northern Nevada we weren't really focused on which jurisdiction it came to we didn't care we were working together to make sure that we got them um you know and at the end of the day it really because of the role that the Cities play in housing in our region it made sense for the Monies to come to the cities but I believe that the intent all along was that the money would be available to any qualified eligible uh resident in our County um and so for the unincorporated Washoe County residents who may need this assistance Who It May mean the difference between them remaining or becoming housed thank you for recognizing that intent well thank you Cadence and so nice to see you my longtime friend all right Nick I I hope you feel proud that was very nice of her okay Monica is there anything else you want to add no no I was gonna get a shout out but okay any questions one go ahead no I was just gonna say would give him a second shout out a third fourth all of the shout outs you all deserve congratulations to you all okay I don't believe there's any other questions I did want to ask one thing um so the council understands how do you identify exactly someone that you need to help do you tell me how that that works um the typical way is that uh we have an online portal on our website um if you go on to uh Steve Reno forward slash housing there's a little um icons in one says do you need help with some hands and you click on there and it takes you into an application it gives you the criteria to qualify you fill it out and then it gets submitted and somebody contacts you and we also have walk-in hours three times a week and then the rental assistance staff is on the second floor and they help people with applications and hand holding them through the process if there's some barriers things like that some of them come to us from everybody here yeah well we're always sending people to your way yes people are always we do I mean we're in it every day so we send them to you we do and I give them to my superhero Jamie um she she's the one that takes the the hardest to serve and and she gets them gets them housed so that's the typical ways that we get um referrals yeah and I'm so glad that you brought up Jamie because I have experienced the work that she does firsthand and she kind of does it 24 7. um I've talked to her you know eight nine o'clock at night whenever she is helping house um someone whether it's needing food or clothes anything they possibly I gotta tell you Jamie has so much dedication and love for people we are so lucky to have her I want this Council to know um because I kind of get into those situations with her uh whether you know it's on on the animal side it can be incredibly complex and let me tell you something Jamie sometimes pays for things right over own pocket I've watched her do it over and over again and I truly and I know you appreciate her but I think these are the people that are doing the most difficult work but taking it also home whenever they they get home they're also bringing their work with them home because their hearts are so huge in this space and I just don't know if people ever get to see that side of things so I'm so glad Monica that you recognized her yeah she's she's amazing she right now is working on a couple of special cases at this very second very very special I don't know if you guys remember what was his name Patrick he came to council Christopher Christopher yes what was that a year and a half ago yeah she's been hand holding him for a year and he has now just got accepted into the anger program with VOA so he'll be on permanent Supportive Housing so permanent Supportive Housing now he fell through the cracks a few times because there was funding one minute and also he does really well and sometimes he doesn't do so well just depending on whether he's you know getting in to see a physician or whatever it's very complex and Jamie held his hand for an entire time for a year and a half which is basically you know the work of a full-time social worker and case management and that's what she's doing here at the City of Reno I hope I don't think anyone has a clue what you guys do and and the value you bring I've just seen it firsthand because I've you know lived a lot of these experiences with you guys so I appreciate it yeah and Jaina of course Miss lets who is with you today is another one of your rock stars she is worth it she is a rock star on another area the person standing here they're doing all the work I know they are too I just want to say like I've seen Jamie like in the field and um what was it people love her they love her but also Roberto Roberto Alex Sahara so everyone up here should be super proud of these people because um they they go out and help the most vulnerable people in our community and we we never get to really see it and thank them so thank you thank you well they're watching oh are they uh usually they don't watch they do they watch well anyway I'm super grateful uh because like I said I don't think people get to see the behind the scenes and how hard they work so it's a hard job yeah that's for sure hard job um okay so I had a motion and a second an enthusiastic motion to approve staff recommendation a second oh yeah a second oh those are first AI all those are post motion carries you now thank you thank you so much thanks you guys okay thank you Cadence it was so nice to have you here and I know Nick is so appreciative Madame we're moving on to item D4 okay all right item D4 Madam clerk do you have any public comment on this item thank you madam mayor we have no public comment registered additionally we have not received any correspondence on this item okay wait I'm sorry no public comments no correspondence received all right thank you so much take it away good afternoon Madam mayor council members Lance ferrado director of business licensing for the record so the reason we're here today is uh Senate Bill 92 which was adopted by the legislature last last session the bill provides guidelines and regulate for regulation of sidewalk vendors and outlines what local jurisdictions can and can't do aside from the bill I'll also talk a little bit about the city's current code related to vendors and discuss some of the required changes City must make and some of the discretionary items ultimately staff is looking for direction on how to proceed today so before we get too deep into this for reference uh I want to make it clear that these are some of the examples we're talking about food trucks are not what we're talking about today I'm referencing mobile carts and stationary stands that you might see on the sidewalk something like a hot dog vendor a fruit vendor something like something to that to that effect so first I'd like to talk about the current process first and foremost applicants must receive approval from the health department one of the complaints that we often hear is that it's too expensive so sb92 created a requirement that the health department must create a payment plan opportunity once approved the applicant can apply with the city which includes a business license application a background check and submittal of desired locations at that time staff can begin their work as you can see there are many layers of the process and it can be cumbersome when compared to other license types [Music] so two of the main takeaways or maybe the primary intent of the bill was that cities May adopt an ordinance to regulate sidewalk vendors however they may not prohibit it further criminal penalties cannot be issued to vendors to vendors in residentially zoned areas and then additionally it provides a set of requirements and discretionary options so uh back to SB 92 here some of the requirements that must be addressed by in our code enforcement Provisions need to be modified hours of operations need to be amended and the bill also created new distancing requirements for operations within 1500 feet of a resort hotel or a convention facility lastly the city is required to create a map to display all the permissible areas so here's an example of a Citywide map this gives you the idea of basically the the little blue areas are either resort hotels or convention facilities so again as I said they're 1500 feet within those that there's no operations that are allowed all the little red lines you see are private streets and we do not have jurisdiction to regulate that if private streets want to allow them on their streets they can but it's not it they can they can disable One Way or Another um here's another map just zoomed in on downtown as you can see it's essentially prohibited everywhere um going from west to east you have basically Nevada Street to Valley Road and then north to south from about I-80 to the river give or take um it's basically off limits with these new provisions so the bill does offer a four it does offer a little bit of discretion here and it centers around the distancing requirements council could prohibit or create buffers around special events non-restricted gaming establishments schools community centers churches parks and highly trafficked areas there's also things that staff has identified that Council should consider in order to in order in order to go along with the intended Spirit of legislation and some of the general cleanup uh and some general cleanup council could choose to move this out of title IV and classify the license as a non-privileged license to allow for a lesser barrier to entry they couldn't change location assignments and remove that from the from the general regulation and vendors could then have the ability to roam versus staying stationary um and then not really directly related to legislation cart design requirements could be removed and the health department standards could be relied upon General cleanup including gender specific language out of verbiage things like that could also be undertaken um I made a note here about the task force here based upon the intent of SB 92 the bill directed the formation of a group made up of nine members from a health district business licensing gaming restaurant Industries and and some at large seats they will review the existing laws and recommend approaches to improve sidewalk bending through simplification and standardization removing unnecessary barriers to sidewalk vending protecting public health and safety and developing enforcement mechanisms so that also weighed in on our on our thoughts of why this should be considered by Council so this is just a summary of what I explained there are things you must do some things you could do and some things you should consider and what that staff recommends that chapter 515 will be open and amended as to meet the statute of statutory requirements and then we request Direction on any discretionary regulation more than happy to answer any questions and I also have Nick with me as well who was there during the the bill uh by doing the bill Drafting and negotiations and he can also win on that stuff too okay so just to clarify under state law we have to address these issues is what you're saying some of them like on this slide right here the must must okay yeah all right thank you Lance of course really good job thanks okay um I'm going to send it to vice mayor Reese and also you are on the Health Board uh yes Madam mayor I am the vice chair of Northern Nevada Public Health newly named formerly called the Washoe County District Board of Health but now nnph okay and NPH nnph so yes I have the privilege of serving as our representative there look we spend a great deal of time on this over at uh and in in PH uh and I was um certainly following Senators donate and Flores who were huge advocates for this bill during the legislative cycle and um for all the right reasons right they really felt like this was an area of Regulation where there had been both a lot of gray areas and perhaps some over reach and Regulation and ultimately the conclusions of the Nevada legislature correctly were that we wanted to make it easier for people who had food carts to both safely conduct their business operations and to grow and flourish right we did not want people to be fearful of sort of an over-regulated environment because it meant that people were not going to engage in the proactive safety side of the equation and for a lot of communities in northern southern Nevada this was definitely an issue of equity and and really a racial justice issue I don't know if as many of those issues arise here because I don't I'm not aware of the presence of a lot of food vendors there certainly are some and but the number is much more limited and I think they contribute to the kind of the rich diversity of our community so I'm happy to support them in terms of what you have presented here obviously I think the right path for us is to start with the must I'm in favor of the goods and should but I don't have strong feelings it's more like I believe that you Mr ferrato and Mr cecconi will be capable of bringing together a entire program of things that we could support I don't know that anyone on this diocese is going to have like a specific and hard and fast thing that we're looking for because we're not as familiar with it I think of course it would be behoove us to make sure that the health district completes their piece and is working on what they are doing and that we're modeling and following what they're doing so maybe in terms of timing we've got to come in behind them I don't necessarily that we have to go out in front of them except as to the must-dos which I think is good these coulds and shoulds do you have a sense of the things that you think would be appropriate and would be um you know a necessary component of making sure that we are supporting our these small business owners which is truly what they are but also making sure that we're addressing some of the health food safety issues sure Lance frauder for the record I I think that the shoulds sum that up to consider the classification of the license right now it's privileged so it requires a background check yeah I'm not sure that that is a necessary component at least I don't believe that that is necessary but well I'm interested to hear my colleagues thoughts about it but a privileged license seems a bit um unnecessary to me but and again it does it does differ from some of our other licenses uh like a mobile food truck there's no background track uh background track required for that so this is a higher barrier of entry for these so to make it easier you know you could reclassify it as a non-primage license yeah I think for my uh thought on as to that specific thing since you are we're just having this you know iterative colic we hear I I'm not looking to make it more difficult for people to enter into small business ownership and be successful I also want to make sure of course that we're addressing language access barriers I know over at the county and also at the nnph they have held different kinds of food vendor Outreach event where they are bringing in people mostly Spanish speaking but I think there are other communities among our Northern Nevada Community hamang community some of the Native Pacific Islander communities that might benefit from having the kind of resources that are in their native languages I had the privilege of going along to a health inspection recently so I went out with our health food inspectors to a business a restaurant to see what it meant to go through that process it's pretty staggering and I think it would be very difficult to do if it was not in a person's native language so I want to make sure that we're being respectful and thoughtful about that again our community continues to grow in its diversity and and we of course want to support small businesses and and sometimes those take the form of Street vendors sometimes it's pop-up fairs like at the McKinley and and all those things I think we should be reducing barriers to entry into those spaces is because I think that's what happens in a diverse and Vibrant Community okay thank you any other questions uh councilman Martinez go ahead thank you madam mayor I think similarly to uh council member Reese I think it's um it would be beneficial for our community to not increase the barriers of access for these small business owners and we did hear from a few commenters earlier today and so maybe doing this as a standard license instead of a special license could be something we can consider and as long as they're not parking their establishments somewhere that isn't prohibited allowing them to have that free room ability to be able to cater to the needs of their clientele so those are just kind of two things that I want to take it on the record and I do appreciate the advocacy from Nick at the legislature to make sure that this came through all right any other comments from Council I'm going to send it to councilman Reese to approve staff recommendations with the direction that we've given and look forward to the continuing discussions all right I have a motion you have a second second all those in favor say aye aye all those opposed motion carries thank you all right Madam clerk sending it right back to you we are on item D5 and we do still have a public commenter in the audience do we we do have public comments you're the next contestant because the cool thing about Tom Ben and myself we've been here for many years doing this together right yes ma'am okay take it away Tom how far is yours good afternoon Madam mayor members of council for the record Tom Dunn representing the men and women Reno firefighters Association uh we are here in support of item D5 and as many of you have gone through our political action process when running for Council running for appointment we have had multiple conversations with multiple people across the county for the last 20 plus years on dispatch virtually every study that has been done on the fire service in Washoe County for the last Going on 30 years now mentions fixing dispatch fixing the problems radios multiple agencies whatever the case may be item D5 actually helps move forward with this project uh in totality so um you're gonna get history what's been happening behind the scenes but basically the current dispatching system we have has been in effect since approximately 2002. it's a legacy system it's no longer supported um to kind of you know use a uh piece of History basically it's Windows 95 technology and we're working in the 21st century and the support that our dispatch system needs are Public Safety agencies need we need to update to a modern system one of the things we have in the Fireside is called infers and infers is migrating into the National Emergency Response information system called nearest this new system will be able to help with that migration once it comes online uh the new dispatching system and software also support the firefighter cancer registry by automatically submitting data to the National level for data collection analysis and individual reports on each firefighter that is registered for data on responses exposures and occupational health and safety issues and once again this is a seamless system between your first responder agencies Reno Sparks Washoe County and including remsa one of the roadblocks for Progress for a number of years has been remza and data and dispatching and radio frequencies this item helps fix those issues and we are here in support and to answer any questions you may have thank you thank you Tom thank you thank you all right that being said you ready to take it away absolutely okay all right not a mayor and members of the council for the record Cody Shadle for your Public Safety dispatch I'm hoping to keep this theme of accomplishments and positive highlights going especially this late in the afternoon so we'll see we can do I'm here to present you item number D5 which is a proposed agreement between the cities of Reno Sparks Washoe County and remza and it's for the governance and operation of a regional Public Safety a regional replacement public safety software suite now I know that's a mouthful but really what this is a remarkable feat I want to take a moment for all of us to just celebrate what kind of achievement this is so as a region we've long understood the need to improve our 911 processes and create a better user experience for our community citizens and even members of this body have shared frustrating experiences due to the Reliance on call transferring redundant questioning and complicated coordination during moments of high stress the need for a single unified CAD platform has never been more prevalent than right now nor has this been nor has there been this level of awareness and attention in this vital service well we've heard these calls for Change and with the guidance and Leadership from this Council we understand that the 911 system needs to be better the processes need to be better this agreement represents the collective Regional efforts to improve upon these experiences the approval of this agreement is a necessary step before our project teams can finalize our vendor contracts and begin the process of replacing our aging cat in RMS systems so I'd like to give you some background on this topic in July 2022 this Council during a concurrent meeting with the spark city council and Washoe County Board of Commissioners discussed and approved the principles guiding the intent desired outcomes of regional collaboration opportunities between fire emergency medical and dispatch Services during that meeting it was described that the desired end result of this process was to design a dispatch in Regional 911 call process that serves the community by prioritizing the user experience and the appropriate deployment of resources and this was through a reduction in duplicated processes improved use of technology and resources in simplified government although this project to replace these systems were already in place and was already underway this new direction from Council following that meeting highlighted the need to expand the scope and primary stakeholders of the original project essentially what began as a software replacement project had now become an opportunity to redesign the backbone of our entire Regional 911 system and it required the expansion of the original partnering agencies as mentioned before by some of our public comment as a direct result our regional project began engaging remsa to join the project as a partner agency and the statement of work was amended to ensure all agencies needs were addressed since that time and over the last year staff from all the regional Partners including remsa have worked together to draft this governance agreement before you and include an extensive legal review from all entities so while this Project's evolved from its original purpose it's really important to understand the various stakeholders represented as mentioned this process has always been a regional project but with your direction that term Regional became more inclusive and comprehensive for the entire 911 response system during this process we've identified four partnering agencies with an overwhelming responsibility to operate and support these systems those partners are the City of Reno the city of Sparks Washoe County and now renza these four partner agencies represent either through contract or jurisdiction 26 functional stakeholders which includes our own police fire Public Safety dispatch I.T and Records departments within the city as well as those we contract with as you can see the list is no it is not small and this is no small endeavor so you might ask what is this agreement in its simplest form the agreement is simply a commitment to how we're going to govern a large Software System it's it's the agreement of how are we going to play in the sandbox together and agree to move forward it builds a structured framework for how users should responsibly operate the system it also ensures that all agencies have defined rights and identifies those responsibilities of the agencies to support the system this agreement also describes the roles of the governing groups and establishes operational guidelines including support and maintenance ongoing shared funding and oversees the change management process and I really want to highlight this shared funding is a new Endeavor for our Public Safety Technology Solutions and the included funding model within this agreement will help us to share and manage those obligations both for operations and ongoing support throughout the lifetime of this Pro this software this agreement also provides a pathway to utilize alternative funding means such as the 911 fund while our regional project teams have been working over the last couple years on this process of replacement the 911 Advisory Board who is in charge of overseeing the 911 fund has simultaneously been planning to support this project as a result they've already allocated and budgeted for implementation and annual costs directly related to the cad platform which will reduce the city of Reno's funding commitment by nearly 1.3 million dollars over the implementation period and over two hundred thousand dollars annually thereafter this represents a more than 45 percent of all the overall sorry 45 of the overall funding for all these systems once approved the governance agreement will also create three new boards with specific rules and responsibilities these rewards will ensure the integrity and responsible use of the systems while providing Equitable representation from each of the partnering agencies the managers board comprised of the city manager for Reno the city manager of Sparks the county manager and the CEO of remza is responsible for the government oversight budget approval and provides an Avenue for conflict resolution if needed an executive board will be represented by Chief Personnel from the response agencies and will be responsible for many of the operational policy decisions including establishing an operations manual developing the annual budget and ensuring the health and performance of the systems a change Advisory Board will also be created and filled by subject matter experts and Technical staff from the represented agencies and this board's sole purpose is to manage the process of change requests enhancements and upgrades of the system and ensure that there is no undue risk or harm harmful risks that are obtained this collection of boards while structurally cumbersome will provide a new level of transparency and public understanding for how our Public Safety Systems are managed and maintained so now the important part why do we need it well from the direction of this body I'm in that concurrent meeting we identified what that end result was and what we were hoping to achieve and in order to improve the user experience we need to consolidate the Technologies used in the 911 systems by bringing all regional agencies into the same information environment we can eliminate those obstacles that have prevented us from seamlessly sharing information once all information is accessible and readily available through the dispatch process we can make better decisions about how to appropriately deploy our valuable resources also with information maintained in a centralized system we'll have the opportunity to eliminate duplicate processes and this includes that repetitive and redundant questioning of our callers this is continues to be a pain point for many of our callers and even members of this Council when they've had to access the 911 system through the modernization of our technology we'll also be able to leverage new functionality and Achieve improved efficiencies in our 911 processes this means a reduction in response times and simplifying routine interagency coordination and finally by establishing a simplified shared governance we create a strong framework that will ensure this technology solution continues to meet the needs of our community even as it grows and changes it also helps us share the responsibilities of this system across all the agencies who are operating in with this agreement I can confidently say that we're well on our way to achieving each of these desired outcomes so what's next well over the next two weeks the other three governing bodies will hear this from the partnering agencies we'll hear and vote on this same agreement once approved our project team will move forward with signing the agreement with our vendor and our replacement project will be off and running with a project kicked off kickoff expected within 90 days we anticipate to begin the initial steps of configuration by the end of the year and we've already identified implementation teams and representatives from each partner agency and will work collectively over the next two years to configure Implement test and train ahead of our go live which is expected near the end of 2025 or at the beginning of 2026. now I know our initial timeline does span 27 months it's really important to keep in mind what disagreement represents and who it represents and it's those 26 functional stakeholders which includes more than 2 000 individual users across the region and they all need to be trained and prepared to operate on a completely new system by the time of go live so this agreement really does create the opportunities for our city and Regional Partners to make significant and positive impact on the 911 system and it directly impacts the health and safety of our community but while I've stood up here explaining how this will allow us to fix the 911 system I would be remiss if I didn't take this opportunity to recognize the hard-working and dedicated 911 professionals who serve our community each and every day it's through their professionalism dedication and exceptional skill that allowed them to navigate this complicated process and provide services in the most difficult at times and in spite of those limitations that we've highlighted today while we have prioritized the goal of improving the user experience our Public Safety professionals are also set to have their experiences improved through new efficiencies and increased capacity I'm thankful for the support of our regional Partners our departments here the Departments that we have represented in the building are chief and police and chief of fire and those hard-working professionals who are responding to these critical incidents this is not the end of the road but the first of any significant steps towards regionalization and I'm confident that with the continued leadership and support from this body we'll achieve our goals and see an improved Regional 911 emergency response system in our near future uh with that I have the recommendation on the board I'm available for any questions you might have Cody fantastic a little bit Ah you did such a good job we couldn't even tell um this is a major major big deal I didn't think that I would ever see this in my lifetime on this Council because I was just having this conversation talking about how when we first got here literally there's physical fights between the county and the city and that's when the prior divorce happened right whenever like literally before we stepped into these seats so for about 10 years there has been a lot of animosity and a lot of hardship um that I think quite honestly our public was wrapped up in the politics and that's really unfortunate because I think um it you know it kind of magnified the games that happen um that people play in politics so I want to say thank you from the bottom of my heart to Chief Crawford um I saw him last week and he did a phenomenal job and talking about unifying and communicating and being collaborative and then Chief Moore I appreciate his willingness to come to the table and also Barry and Adam the entire remsa team have done a phenomenal job I mean honestly I can't begin to tell you I've never seen any I mean you see everyone in one room and the collaboration just is something that I have never seen before and I think that we truly are turning over a new Leaf but this is a massive win for all of our citizens in the region and Cody you're at the helm and I'm I'm very very proud and grateful and I want to say thank you very much to Tom Dunn because for uh over a decade now you have fought fought we we all have fought together uh I this is just massive I don't think anyone has any clue um what a game changer this is in our community and for the residents for the residents right thing to do but politics have gotten in the way for far too long so it's really nice to see that everyone is rowing in the same direction and doing what's right for the people and not for politics so great job Cody all right vice mayor Reese oh oh uh he said he'd defer to you councilman breakfast go ahead yeah you know I started the same day as the mayor and the answer the word was fixed dispatch but the word to me was also do not give up City of Reno proportionate control over the dispatch function as the power user of the dispatch function and that's what I see this doing it's modeled much like the agreements for the public service center where Reno also has the most people in academies but Washoe County programs the place manages it and in this case Washoe County is the manager of this agreement and equal representation if we could go to the slide of the board is provided on the management board equal seating of Reno Sparks and Washoe County when we're the big user both on our fire and on our police calls and that gives me a lot of concern I'm not going to ask any staff to come up and say anything because I think they've gotten the word from the manager the mayor on this I think politics have been involved but I'm going to let people know what I know coming back from 2012 and talking to a lot of people who really felt that dispatch needed to get fixed and I'm really I'm seeing the fix here is to give away a lot of renal control over it and Elevate ramsa to an equal seating on the management board remsa is a contractor to the public they have a contract with the Board of Health now called Northern Nevada public which expires in how many years I don't have that information I think we're down to five maybe that was the that should be queued up to get them to do the job right on dispatch and we've been way too easy on them and now what we're doing we're elevating them a contractor to an equal proportion of Rights on this Management on this executive board I am very concerned about this and um I think it will come to be regretted um I also think and let me just give an example is the day-to-day operations is going to be this guidelines getting all this group together it's going to be clunky for Reno the power user to want to change the guidelines they have to get everyone's buy-in why should we have to get sparks buy-in on the dispatch and the operational guidelines were the power user why should we have to have Rems at the table we need to lead on this we're not leading on this this could be as you said a first step toward regionalization that's probably what it is this could be a first step towards you know delegating a lot to the sheriff giving him all of dispatch going after the Clark County Metro model that's a completely different policing model when you have a sheriff running all your law enforcement okay councilman breakfast I'm going to cut you off okay well I'll take a few more minutes after that then thank you well you can so hold on go ahead councilman Martinez um and I appreciate the information that you've provided today I just want to see if you can give me sort of an example if I'm a user and I'm calling uh 9-1-1 how will this help me on that end and I know you talked a little bit about improving that experience but can you like give us an example of how that would work yeah that's a great question um so to do so I'm going to just kind of give you an example of how it operates today so we do operate a regional system currently that's with Reno Sparks in Washoe County and in that system when you call 9-1-1 if we're operating within those agencies then typically we can share information we can provide you immediate response and answer questions to you and get resources started without having to transfer calls however in the case of medical dispatching and when we include our our partner remzen this they operate a different CAD system so your experience today and I believe Madame mayor recently had gone through this herself um when you call today if you have a medical emergency we're going to ask certain questions we're going to ask the location we're going to ask you questions about the medical emergency what's happening are you conscious breathing alert after getting all that information which takes roughly 30 to 45 seconds we then have to transfer you over to our remsa partner who can ask further questions and start the EMD process which is emergency medical dispatching um they are going to start back at the location question ask you questions that you've already verified with Reno dispatch they're going to then again ask you what is your Chief complaint tell me exactly what's happening they're going to ask you to repeat your phone number those same first seven questions you're going to have to go through that process and you can imagine callers with any kind of communication barriers any kind of obstacles translation services things like that can just complicate that situation because now we have to bring in not only an interpreter on the line at the beginning but now we may have to bring in an interpreter line on the on the after the transfer so any of these one little things can actually complicate this process really quickly in the new system so in the way that we describe some of those efficiencies being obtained what we would do is you would potentially have the opportunity to just answer those questions with the first point of contact which would be the the dispatch agency you contacted your Reno you'd only answer those questions once we'd be able to insert information transmit it to our medical partner remza and that if we still had to transfer callers at that time they would at least have the first seven questions and not have to re-ask those or in a potential in a different situation they may not ever have to beat that color may never have to be transferred they could simply just be asked those questions at the beginning this technology this agreement would allow us those opportunities thanks for sharing some of that stuff and absolutely you know I think at the end of the day I just want to make sure that our constituents and our committee understands that this move to regionalize is going to help when they may be in a state of panic and they don't uh have to repeat some of that information again or make it cumbersome to deploy the resources that are required for them in that moment so thanks for your work on this absolutely great Taylor go right ahead thank you madam mirror thank you Cody um I have a quick question about the funding fiscal Equity I'm so excited about this and I know you kind of glossed through it a little bit I was wondering if you could that's it great question thanks happy to help um and then while you're talking a little about that I'm wondering if uh JW JW Hodge could come up here for a second so this is a new opportunity for us currently in the regional system we operate there is no fiscal Equity we operate this we support it fully I believe this year the council approved approximately 550 000 of or more for annual maintenance costs of our current CAD system we onboard those costs ourselves we onboard the support through RIT Department to support that system and there is no assistance from the outside agencies who operate the system right now um in the new system or in the direction that we're trying to go the goal here is to basically use the funding formula that's in in this agreement to say based on the proportionate use or licenses that any individual agency has we're going to assign a cost based on that value so your use is going to dictate how much you're going to pay towards the system the big gains here are spreading that that financial obligation across all the user agencies it also presents an opportunity for those agencies that we contract with to now also charge those agencies or pass those costs directly onto them so that they can pay for their proportional use as well um the other piece of highlights we talked about the equity but is the new alternatives for funding as well we've never accessed the 911 surcharge fees to pay for this type of system we've used it on the 911 side on their telephone side we've never actually used it for CAD we did get legal opinions that said it is eligible it is not denied so we're going to access those funds that board has spent the last two years isolating funding and preparing to pay for ongoing costs which is going to be a huge benefit to the whole region thank you Cody JW don't go anywhere GW how many hours in meetings have you put into this effort I am just so thankful to you and I know you have a team but I don't I can't imagine how much effort you have put into this time dedication sweat possibly tears many tears I mean yes we do have a team and I think there's a lot of people that have worked on this over many years even before coming to the City of Reno this has been a project that I have been a part of for the better part of 20 years getting into this place and this is the first time our city and our region will see a system that works collaboratively with all public safety entities working from one system that we're able to make better decisions deploy resources in a more meaningful way and really support not only the community's needs and how we're going to respond to 911 calls but the needs of all of our First Responders as well so congratulations to you and your team and thank you very much from from the team thank you okay okay thank you so much um anyone else we're on round one councilman Ebert I I also have to call 9-1-1 frequently my husband has medical medical condition and I have to call for help sometimes um and it is frustrating when I have to get transferred around um times feels like it's speaking very slowly on on my end um so I I would appreciate the process going a lot faster um but I do have a question did we look into do we do cost analysis about finding out you know what it would look like if the county did this in-house and and we regionalized that way um let me just clarify your question when you refer to the county doing this in-house do you mean dispatch services for the technology so no we haven't because this this item is actually limited to just the technology that we're going to use okay we're not changing who is dispatching what at this point we're not changing uh the personnel and those departments that are involved in this or those peace apps okay so that's the only piece is changing is just the technology okay so even though we're changing the process so we're not going to be getting transferred as much the only piece that's changing is the technology itself Yes And to clarify that that technology is creating those opportunities for a long time the Technology's been our barrier it's been those obstacles to prevent that seamless information sharing to put all of the information in one location to allow us to transmit information digitally which seems obvious to most people I mean we can send an email and transmit things electronically but to communicate between us and another agency like remzo we cannot communicate electronically we have to make phone calls and so it's eliminating those processes and creating those opportunities to do so do we have like time estimates on like what we'll say we'll save on our call times you know or response times I mean we've run numbers before on this um I don't have exact numbers to say exactly what the savings are but they are yeah they are substantial okay personally is called an um the phones rang for a while before dispatch even picks up so I'm just curious if that will also kind of cut down on that time yeah it definitely has the opportunity to as we find efficiencies in the Technologies we're using that basically opens up staff to be more dedicated and more available to answer 911 calls we use a metric in the 911 industry it's called the Nina standard and it's our goal is to answer 90 of all 9 or 95 percent I'm sorry it's a little late in the day ninety percent of all 911 calls within 15 seconds that's the National Standard most agencies can't meet half of that our agency roughly averages around 85 we're really close but we could be better and this is this is the whole point of this is we need to be better and we want to be better and they think this will allow us to okay so what happens if somebody calls in on a cell phone and they accidentally hang up those ones are extremely problematic for us because it represents about 14 to 15 percent of our actual 911 volume roughly 3 000 calls a month we have actually instituted a technology that allows us to just text those callers back instead of dedicating a person making a manual phone call we'll actually just text them a message and say if you have an emergency please call us back that's specific to cell phones okay that is a little bit of a problem for me just given the nature of my husband's medical problem he's a type 1 diabetic so I'm calling me as a low blood sugar he may be calling when he's a little blood sugar so if he accidentally hangs up he's certainly not responding to a text message um so that would be my only you know if I had any kind of feedback to give if we could look into a way to maybe have a call back and not just a text um just due to the nature of some medical emergency that might not necessarily be the best way to reach back out to somebody that could be in a critical medical emergency in this one I'm happy to discuss anything offline and we're happy to make time available to discuss those options thanks no I haven't yet go ahead vice mayor Reese thank you so much um really the presentation and for the work that you and so many have put in I think um you know I'm not as interested in all the mechanics of who gets how many votes because at the end of the day the work that you're talking about is an effort to save people's lives right it's an effort to make sure that when someone is having a critical emergency event a life-saving issue whether they're a type 1 diabetic or they've fallen or they've been in a car accident or a fire um you know seconds matter especially when you start to think about heart related issues or or pulmonary embolism there's a lot of things right so I whatever we can do and whatever we can do together as a community I think is a benefit to us I think it's also true that this region has come a long way in the last 25 years and we have Partners at Washoe County and Partners at Sparks and Partners at remsa and all of the agencies which have dispatch and fire and and police and Sheriff Response are all being led by people who think very much about our region collectively I don't think any of us should sit in a small part of the world and imagine that we're the only thing that matters or that our voice should be larger certainly there are more physical people who reside in the City of Reno but I don't think that gives us any greater right to control the governing structure for something as critical as how people interact with the technology that brings them the life-saving care that they need and so for my part I know that this has been for Mr Hodge a 20 plus year issue for Madame mayor I I know that almost to a fault every time we talk she's talking about Regional issues that are like this and sometimes it's only about this right and she said you know today is going to be a good day because this agenda item is here and it's a step in the right direction you know we have a lot on the agenda and so it's easy to get lost in the mix but when we look back I think in 10 years or even two weeks from now the vote we take today will be meaningful and matter and it may matter then more than some of the other things that we do that are very routine so I want to make sure you understand I have a great deal of appreciation for the work that you've put in and for the experts in the room I see police fire also dispatch obviously all sorts of life-saving folks I certainly am not going to substitute my judgment for yours the other issues that are that I see on this particular slide for example are things that we will work out and resolve as people of good conscience will and are prone to do but I thank you I thank our regional Partners I'm hopeful that as you make and others make the presentations at the various other boards and seek their approval they'll know that I very much respect the work that has gone into it and I know that we did not arrive here easily or lightly and after thousands and thousands and thousands of person Power hours to make this good choice outdated technology exists in lots of parts of government this is one small step to making sure that our impacted citizens are or not so negatively impacted by that so thank you all right we're on round two I'm gonna go to councilwoman breakfast yeah so I mean I do believe that fixing dispatch is utilizing the 911 911 surcharges for this purpose and that was always envisioned when that went through the legislature but I want and that does go to the county I want to ask why is Washoe County the lead of this in their contract relationship with the the vendor the hmax or whatever why why why not Reno yeah that's a great question uh you actually highlighted one of the things the financial mechanisms in which the county collects those taxes and then administers that fund is one of the reasons that it makes sense for them to be a part of that or have that lead role and again this is just a the lead role represents just the contract signatory well with the vendor directly and it also is going to put responsibilities for administration upon them this governance structure really does solidify everybody's responsibilities and ensures that everyone has their say in their voice represented here um the other considerations that we're given is Reno's had the system and operated the system for 20 plus years without anybody else having representation we've been managing our CAD system currently and I we were honestly open to the idea that another agency wanted to take that lead and and provide that support and we felt comfortable that with this agreement in place that we could do so and we wouldn't lose our voice or authority let me stop you there because we limit time at this office at this dice I remember when that when that 911 surcharge get went in and we had concern that it was going to the county because it really seemed fixed as the legislature is on a Clark County model which was you know they are the Big Show there with Metro but we're the Big Show here and you know those who are the manager have the most role and say and I am very concerned based upon past you know conversations with a lot of people deep in the Weeds on the mechanics of this that we're giving up too too much you know you say well we were open to someone else taking it we should have really had a conversation here about the implications of that and where we're headed you know I think there is a motive of some to move to a very large consolidation of police and fire and let's get it out in the open rather than put baby toes in there I'm sure the sheriff would love to be the over elect the the singular elected highest law enforcement entity accountable only the voters not a police chief accountable to us that's a very different model and I think we're headed there but I want to talk about elevating remsa to an equal partner of operational guidelines support and budget development what happens if the Board of Health the public health division decides real soon that we're going to go out for a new Ambulance Service when that contract expires or we're going to put our Reno Fire Department as the ambulance server and have a different relationship and they're sitting on the board did you think about that yeah we do and just like many agreements there are Provisions in this for how an agency would be removed from the board or how they would electively either voluntarily or mandatorily be removed from the board okay um so those Provisions do exist in the agreement all right councilman Martinez councilwoman Taylor councilwoman eiver nothing okay so I I wanted there's a couple things I really need to say this is this is important I honestly for over 10 years I felt sick to my stomach knowing this process and actually how we were failing our citizens most of our residents do not know this and it isn't until you call 9-1-1 that you realize that it's even a bigger problem I knew it was a problem I had no idea until two I think it was about two or three weeks ago that fate would have it that vice mayor Reese and I were going to the arch lighting for the Children's Cancer Foundation and on our way all of a sudden a car rolled over right in front of us it was I don't know how far of I don't know it was close 25 yards maybe rolled over right in front of us went into oncoming traffic and rolled over um and when the car did that there was a huge power line that came down in front you had very good eyes because I didn't see that and all of a sudden you literally stopped the car and you had said are you seeing this power line and then you got out of the car John got out of the car with your first aid kit and ran over there and gave them assistance and they were bleeding profusely and meanwhile I'm jumping out of the car and I'm trying to tell traffic you can't go this way because there's this massive power line you got to turn around and go back meanwhile I'm on the phone calling 9-1-1 and when they pick up they ask me to string of questions okay so and also when you're panicked I mean I was panicked and I got to tell you the time on that phone felt like like two hours almost so then after they asked me those questions they said Hold on I gotta transfer you and I was like Devin oh my God they're transferring me how could they be transferring me during this time I was like my heart was beating and they they transferred me and they asked me all this the same questions again now if that's your loved one that's sitting in that car that just wrote just did a rollover bleeding profusely you have no idea what the fate of the outcome is I would think you would be pretty irate so I have to tell you I don't care about and words were used like power user Reno is the power user I think when you um worry about power then you're going to you're going to be playing with the lives of people that is what I don't want so I hope everyone in this room doesn't believe that for a minute because this is about people not about power and I want to say thank you from the bottom of my heart to our incredible team I would be remiss JW number one at the top of the list he knew how important this was to me but JW sat there was he worked with remza worked for remsa years and years in this space so he knew it intimately and so I want to thank you for your like Kathleen said your hours of Blood Sweat and Tears on this issue I knew you were the one to go out there and make it happen and you did you should be so proud that what you've done the Legacy that you will bring in forever to this community because what you've done Maddie would be so proud right you're you're a little girl if that ever should happen 9-1-1 she has to call you should be so proud and Maddie should be so proud so I also want to say thank you to Chief Nance and your collaboration with everyone uh phenomenal phenomenal I think because of your leadership and your ability to communicate that people are very receptive and so you should be incredibly proud as well Chief Cochran thank you from the bottom of my heart I don't think you're here uh but I would be remiss if I didn't mention my own team uh Christy and Cody you guys are amazing thank you thank you thank you um Tom Dunn 731 none of this would have been possible without the incredible team right here at the City of Reno and what you've done is left a legacy for your children and their future so everyone should be incredibly proud this is one of those times where honestly I do like I'm emotional about it because um like I said I felt sick to my stomach for a long time knowing that it was very broken and most of our residents go out there every single day and have no idea how I really felt like they were in Jeopardy so thank you from the bottom of my heart absolutely thank you um okay with that being said vice mayor give me a motion all right I have a motion I have a second all those in favor say aye aye all those opposed opposed motion carries gladly thank you thank you thank you everyone please stand up thank you thank you thank you and I should I would be remiss please Cadence please tell Washoe County that we are so incredibly grateful and um I'm just sad that councilwoman breakfast couldn't see how important this was today for all the lives of the residents in the City of Reno and for Washoe County thank you and for remsa and their hard lobbying efforts all right Madam mayor I don't think you have a heart I just we're moving on to item f 1 a ordinance adoption to be read by the City attorney item F1 Mr hall or Mr Shipman are you ready take it away thank you so much and before we do that no public comment on item F1 thank you vice mayor we have no public comment registered No Hands Held or no hands raised in zoom and we did not receive any correspondence on this item Mr Hall thank you Mr vice mayor this is Ordnance adoption F1 Finance number 6660 case number DBA 23-00001 Market Street abandonment development agreement ordinance to approve a development agreement between the City of Reno and murph's land holding LLC subject to case number ABN 21-0006 Market Street abandonment the requested development agreement addresses requirements and timing of the proposed abandonment as related to Regional Transportation Commission military capacity and Safety project Ward 3. okay Mr Martinez can I get a motion of course I'm moved to approve okay I have a motion by Mr Martinez is a second by Miss Taylor any additional questions or comments at this time hearing none I'll call for the question all those in favor please signify by saying aye aye aye opposed motion carries Madam cork item F2 F2 is another ordinance adoption so can I ask Mr Hall do we have public comment Mr Madam clerk thank you vice mayor we do not have any public comment registered and have not received any correspondence and no hands are raised in Zoom thank you so much Mr Hall take it away thank you Mr vice mayor bonus number 6661 case number LDC 23-00061 550 or Crest orders to men Title 18 chapter 18.02 the random principal code entitled zoning rezoning a plus or minus one acre site from large lot residential one acre llr-1 to mixed employment me the site is located on the south side of warcrest drive plus or minus 440 feet east of its intersection with Carson Lane site has a master plan land use designation of mixed employment me Ward 4. okay Miss Ebert the motion is yours uh motion to approve okay so I miss Hebrew the second by Mr Martinez any additional questions at this time hearing none I'll call for the question all those in favor please signify by saying aye aye aye any opposed motion carries unanimously item F3 Mr oh I have a disclosure on this on F3 okay thank you so much let me first uh just get to my notes here um okay item F3 uh Mr uh well let's start with the disclosure and then do we have any public comment I don't think we do not have any public comment registered and do not have not received any correspondence okay Miss breakfast yeah and this is for the record so it's according to law verbatim in the minutes this is an amendment to title two of the municipal Municipal Code which encompasses establishing employees into two classifications a point of or not appointed it impacts every employee in the City of Reno at our last meeting or at a previous meeting excuse me both the mayor and council member Reese raised publicly concerns that I have a conflict of interest in this matter while ethics are A Private Matter and it was very unusual for colleagues to raise concerns of another member having ethics conflicts I want to address that because it's a continued narrative that was brought up in the first step addressing and amending this Title II on this matter I do not seek the advice of the City attorney because he is has a conflict of interest himself in helping me prepare this disclosure my disclosure is that I have hired Ron rare of Dreher law in my capacity as a council member using my own private resources to request that the city launch launch an investigation of improper government action by Mr Thornley this investigation is ongoing and I understand the city has hired outside Council to investigate because I spoke to an investigator I'm submitting here a copy of the letter that Mr Dreyer wrote on behalf of me for the record so that the public may be aware of the nature of his engagement with me Mr Durant and I unders Mr I understand excuse me I understand Mr Drea represents one of our bargaining groups one or more of our bargaining groups and as I mentioned previously this ordinance applies to all employees I have spoken to him and paid him first time as our engagement calls for and understands that he does not have a personal interest in this matter noisy participated in the record in preparing this ordinance change applies to some of the folks in the bargaining group that he represents but it applies to all employees I asked the Nevada Commission on ethics who is available to provide me a disclosure in an instance is this but they were unable to meet the turnaround so I'm preparing this disclosure myself I don't know that a disclosure is required but if it is I am making the disclosure that Mr dryer represents me and also represents one or more of our bargaining groups but more so I'm disclosing this is prompted by the unusual and remarkable allegation of my two colleges focusing on my conflicts and ethical matters thank you madam clerk I'll give you this letter and please Lodge it into the record and I I will have questions when we okay Mr Hall I'm a three ordinance adoption ordinance number 6662 ordinance to men title two of the Reno Municipal Code establishing a point of Officer and a point of employee positions by amending section 2.06.035 if I can't stop laughing no problem designating a point of employees and amending section 2.06.050 relating to the qualifications of a point of officers and appointed employees together with other matters properly relating thereto okay let's come back to the body um Madam report we already discussed that we had no public comment um there are questions from the council one question Miss breakfast of four years yeah yeah strategic initiatives manager that is a new addition to the appointed um employee list and I'd just like to know what department that resides in Jill Atkinson Assistant Director of Human Resources the Strategic initiatives manager is a position within the department of policy and strategy was or is is and how many people are in that department I can't tell you off the top of my head but we can provide that who's the department head Maybe Kelly we'll see is Tyler Wilson is the department head of the called strategic an apartment of policy and strategy Department of policy and strategy and they have a strategic initiatives manager correct do they have two I met in the elevator a woman a couple weeks ago I think her name was uh now we're not listen we're not mentioned to uh say names so maybe I won't say the name certainly not discussing her anything else but I met her in the office in the elevator she introduced herself and then I saw in the notes that we get that that position is open and a strategic initiatives manager so do we have two of those no it is a single incumbent rule so there would be one individual occupying that position is that person still in it but why is it being opened again is it being open to you know legitimize now that higher because this person was hired to be a position that didn't exist in the title II I'm going actually to defer to the city attorney's office because I feel we are discussing a confidential Personnel matter in a public forum is there an incumbent in that position right now not presently no and you're advertising for that position correct okay so you must have had someone last weeks or so or leave recently okay I just I was wondering because when we went through the previous discussion is how do we count these if we have two revitalization May or two uh um you know when you have two of these positions and I was trying to understand if you were adding a second one so only one correct there is one FTE allocated to that classification that's under recruitment right now correct okay you would know yeah okay well thank you okay any additional questions at this time okay I'll look for motion Miss Taylor emotion to approve okay I have a motionless for Miss Taylor about a second by Madame mayor any additional questions at this time hearing another call for the question all those in favor please signify by saying aye aye aye any opposed post motion carries all right Madam Clerk all right Madame mayor we're moving on to item G1 which is an appointment to the ward 4 NAB okay I'm gonna send it all the way over to Ward four take it away councilman Ebert would you like to make an appointment yes thank you I would like to appoint Benjamin Johnson okay thank you second I have a motionless second all those in favor say aye aye all those opposed motion carries unanimously all right heading over uh to you about a clerk all right moving on to item G2 which is an appointment to the regional 9-1-1 emergency response advisory committee Madam mayor I moved to appoint JW Hodge second all right I have a motion and a second all those in favor say aye aye all those opposed motion carries unanimously okay all right item H1 is there any city council comments or announcements Madam I have a mayor I have a comment okay go ahead yeah in order to allow this board to operate well I'm gonna ask the city attorneys to prepare a public memo relating those concerns about talking about a person and the relationship to the open meeting law because the city attorney's office shut me down told me to stop talking about Judge Hardesty a public figure who's in a record of a court proceeding and then the immediately next item Madame mayor started talking about an individual who's received rental assistance by name and the attorneys did not jump in I think there's inconsistent advice coming from the city of Chinese office about week at can or cannot talk to someone like by name I think subsequently Mr Hodge's daughter or wife was mentioned so do you think you could prepare a public a memo about this issue of mentioning other people by name Mr attorney because I feel like you're being selective when you call me and you did it at a previous meeting also when I mentioned Mr Thornley for bringing mentioning people by name but not other bodies of them members of the body necessarily the name it's when you start talking about somebody's character and competence they're entitled to notice so that's that's where okay well I'd like to know in the instance and you can review the memo why was appropriate with the judge Hardesty issue but then the two others that I mentioned about J.W Hodge's wife or girlfriend sure I can speak to that yeah no no I don't I don't want to speak about it but just to be clear on the record just so that we have the record yeah um you started talking about uh the justice and making allegations about conflict of interest and those sorts of things and misconduct and that is not the type of thing that you can do without giving him notice or giving that person notice of doing that what about I would discourage or I would I would I would I would recommend to the council that you don't want to be talking about people in any capacity if you can avoid it and that's just good general advice to begin with but in that particular case um that was a clear over the line um and where you were going and where that was going so um again we're just here to protect you and to protect this body from open meeting law violations and if that's and if you don't want to listen to the advice that is that is up to you so yeah yeah well I I appreciate that but you know you guys brief maybe you could brief the issue for us that's all I'm asking for thank you all right Council on Eber go ahead I don't want to be that guy but when you guys are talking about your accident it we have the vice mayor in the mayor driving in a car and there's her accident like I'm concerned about you guys driving together you are the mayor and vice mayor well guess what you take over it then you get to take it no but seriously you guys but we're not the president said take over if something happens to us yeah right you'll be okay but seriously maybe something to consider like if we have power lines and cars flipping over just think about it it was crazy okay it was really just want to throw that out there anyway um thank you that was sweet okay anyone else okay we will convene Madame cook I'm going to send it back to you when are we going to convene at six o'clock we will reconvene at 6 pm thank you just want it on the record thank you so much see you soon projects here tonight all right Madam clerk I'm going to send it to you all right Madame mayor if you're ready to reconvene this meeting it is 605 and only council member door is absent so we're looking to open the 6 PM public hearings hold on one second [Music] all right at this time I am going to let the record reflect that the city council is opening the public hearing for agenda item I won mup23-00007 appeal of the administrator's decision to deny an application for a minor conditional use permit for packaged alcohol sales accessory to the primary use of a convenience store so uh Madam clerk for the record I will now open the public hearing was proper notice given was any pro any correspondence received and I will also ask council members for disclosures Madam Clerk all right all right Madame mayor I do not have any public commenters registered at this time for this item however for the record I would like to note that we did receive some correspondence we received 14 comments um and all were in opposition of the appellants appeal those have been distributed to the Reno city council and are a part of the permanent record so with that I have no additional public comment and we are looking for a staff presentation at this time okay and just um I don't know if I I put it on the record but I don't know if the City attorney has to read it to make it legal I have no idea so Carl Hall no yep we're all set okay all right thank you so much I'm gonna send it right back to you for the record we did properly notice this item okay thank you so are we closing public comment do you have public comment no okay thank you so much all right we're good to go hello nice to see you hello nice to see you too just want to open up by saying good evening to everybody and for the record my name is Leah picardi for malayalia Brock um so I don't want anybody thank you very much want anybody to not know who I am that's great thank you thank you so for the record Leah picardi associate planner with development services City of Reno this evening I am presenting the application for the minor conditional use permit to allow right-way Market to sell packaged beer and wine this application was denied by the administrator on July 27th and the applicant has filed an appeal of the administrator's decision which is what we're looking at here tonight I believe you are all familiar with the location but just in case this site is located on the east side of Evans Avenue just north of the Aces baseball stadium and across the street from the 4th Street RTC Transit station the subject property is located in the mixed-use downtown Entertainment District in that zoning District if you want to sell packaged alcohol that requires a minor conditional use permit which is a 30-day administrative review process that is done by staff if a minor conditional use permit is approved the applicant then applies for their privileged business license and in this case that would be for packaged wine and beer so here the applicant applied for the minor conditional use permit to allow for them to apply for that privileged license and it was denied there are six findings that staff has to make for a minor conditional use permit to be approved in this case staff was unable to make three of those findings and those findings were related to compatibility with surrounding uses and Public Safety Health and Welfare regarding findings two and five are both related directly to compatibility the subject site is located as you can see in yellow on the map it is directly across the street from the RTC Transit station and right behind it is a substance abuse treatment facility Reno code enforcement did review this application and provide comments that are included in my report but they recommend a denial based on that adjacent substance abuse treatment facility therefore staff was unable to make the compatibility findings number two and five finding number six is related to public health safety and Welfare there was a 74 percent reduction in the RPD calls for service for this reason Reno Police Department recommended denial and RTC also recommended denial because their calls for service at the transit station also declined foreign the appeal was filed by the applicant and the applicant contends that those calls for service cited by the Reno Police Department and RTC is not directly related to the package alcohol sales at RightWay Market however I want to point out that public health and safety and those calls for service are really only related to finding number six and even if we took the calls for service completely out of this equation staff would still be unable to make the compatibility findings findings two and five so here on the board you can see the minor conditional use permit recommended findings finding two is that the land use is compatible with surrounding development staff could not find that to be the case finding number five is the use as proposed or as may be conditioned are reasonably compatible with the types of uses permitted in the surrounding area again staff found that it was not compatible with the substance abuse treatment facility and the transit station and then number six they're down at the bottom of the table is that it will not be detrimental to the public health safety and Welfare and as cited by RPD the use has historically been material Elite detrimental in that location but again I want to point out that even if we take the calls for service out we still have two findings we can't make regarding compatibility here the administrator's decision is on the board I also have the recommended motion on the board should the council choose to modify or reverse that administrator's decision I did include recommended conditions of approval in the staff report and I also have a slide on that as well should you like to see it other than that that concludes my presentation and I am available for questions thank you all right thank you so much nice job really appreciate it okay I'm going to uh bring it back to the body I think no Madam clerk no [Music] let's talk about that because we are very tight on our time and I want to give ample due process to these people right and so if we have staff come up and then we have the Appellate come up and we're limited to six minutes I don't think that's going to be due process so I'm fine with hearing from the Appellate now but I don't want to be told I'm only get six minutes of staff and them questioning because I don't think that it would be due process to these people well usually councilman breakfast if you remember I usually do each one and then we have like two rounds but I let's hear from the Appellate and then we'll then we can kind of go back I mean I just kind of like to do it after I was given a presentation and then you can ask questions and we go back when we say quasi-judicial I don't think there should be any time restrictions on any member of this body I don't think that really Rises to the level of due process for all parties well the reason we do that is I want to make sure that everyone gets their questions on uh the record because what happens is someone can dominate those questions and other people didn't get theirs on the record so I think in to be fair it's important that everyone has the opportunity to weigh in so that's why we do that it's not about one person or the other but it's about actually fairness between all anyway okay um any questions uh for for Leah okay we're gonna we're gonna actually go this way and then we'll bring the appellant up and then we'll have another set of questions and then we'll be done okay I want to start with councilman breakfast thank you thank you can you bring up your map I want to go to the finding related to compatible you want to see this map that's the map okay and this is findings two and five correct map is um the scale of it is very zeroed in and obviously we're in the area of most intensity of land uses in the City of Reno diverse intensity of land uses downtown core so is it your view that this map scale is the appropriate one to make this consideration of compatibility or could you pull it out a little bit further Grant understanding that perhaps The View that you're showing from one edge of the map to the other could be walked in four minutes three minutes with the crosswalk thank you councilwoman breakfast um in my staff report I do have maps that that show a much larger vicinity we have an area map as well and I did discuss uses outside of this map in my staff report as well however looking at the compatibility our main concerns are that RTC Transit station and the substance abuse treatment facility which are both adjacent so in this case this map was appropriate to show the location of those two things because that's how we made that finding okay and that substance abuse treatment facility who owns that property and operates on that property I'd have to look it up for you that didn't come up in your stop report in a minor conditional use permit the applicant has to provide a map um that shows any substance abuse treatment facilities Parks schools uh any of that kind of stuff when the applicant originally submitted this application it was not identified and how did this information come to light code enforcement during their review found it uh-huh and you just don't know who operates it I can take a look and find out for you it's the Gospel Mission it's the Gospel Mission and they own it okay and we didn't know about it because the Gospel Mission is a non-profit and nonprofits aren't required to get business licenses so we didn't have information on the location that's cool okay so it's that adjacency of their but they're pretty isolated in terms of back door to back door you know you have to walk all the way around to record Street to get front door to front door is that correct there's not any access between the two back property lines correct that is correct and I did address that in my staff report as well even though they are adjacent back to back on that alley there is a fence in that alley that uh the the right way market is fenced and the substance abuse facility is also fenced so in my staff report I did the address the fact that even though they are adjacent it's actually about 650 feet from front door and the terms of compatibility is the concern that these um people seeking the treatment would be entice to break their treatment plans or desires if they go into the right way and buy alcohol is that the basis for that I think our general um concern about that is just the compatibility of a substance abuse treatment facility next door to somewhere that sells packaged alcohol well in mixed use you get very fine grain and my question is are these treatment facility people residential and so it's in their neighborhood or could a treatment facility customer walk two blocks and walk past the Fireside or other alcohol serving places there are definitely other places that serve alcohol in close it's not residential and it is not really so they're coming from somewhere where whether on foot or by the bus or however they could cross paths with an alcohol selling location especially in this area okay next question and if I RTC Transit and that I was finding sex but I think you also mentioned that as compatibility um the calls for service they went down they went down during the months of an unprecedented weather event in Reno or did you compare months to month um we compared the same time period for 2022 as we did 2023 but that was information that came from RPD RTC just cited in their review that the calls for service had gone down I don't know by what percentage okay but the question was you know the compatibility is also the station now at the revocation that we had last December I think there's a lot of discussion that they mentioned that hey we're not you know you can't call it at our place you have to call it somewhere else you know don't use us as the landmark were there any change Protocols of identifying where people were in the calls for service again related to calls for service even if you took the calls for service out of this equation we still have the compatibility issue but directly related to calls for service I'm going to let Chief Nance talk about that okay I'm going to cut you off right there because I want to check in with everyone also to let councilman breakfast no you went over two minutes so that means you'll get a remaining a remainder of one minute so um any questions from the body councilwoman Ebert anything vice mayor councilman Taylor councilman Martinez yeah I'm here I I do see Chief Nance I'm in the building I'm just wondering if maybe you can come address that last question and talk about those calls for service I mean I understand what you're saying regardless of maybe finding six even if we took that out of the equation that there's there are some incompatibilities but I'm just wondering if you can address some of those calls for service questions that we just heard thank you so much I can absolutely do that uh Chief Nance for the record and can you just repeat the question or give me some directions maybe we could see the slide could you advance her to her yeah I think it talks about the time frame from January 1st 2022 oh yeah right yep right there yep absolutely were fairly significant we've continued to see that same reduction in service uh we went a little farther out to check how it looked throughout the summer so we went January 1st to August 31st and continued that same comparison and during that time non-ems calls have dropped 80 percent and if you uh EMS calls so any Emergency Medical Response calls have dropped uh 72 percent and we've had a decrease of 83 reports taken clarifying that um I'm wondering if you can maybe talk about any other organizations that we may have heard of I don't know if the Downtown Arena partnership provided any comment um on this item I did not receive any comments from the from the downtown partnership okay that's all I had Madame mayor thank you okay thank you so much go ahead councilman Ebert foreign this might be for chief Nance um sorry yeah so we have the data here that shows the year of a year over year difference in calls do we know where the calls originated from like were they coming from right way and now they're not or were they coming from outside of right way and people were using RightWay as like a landmark or is it a mix it's it's a kind of a mix there is a decrease of calls for service that the um that the right way market was making also so it's but also the calls at the transit center decreased so there's an overall reduction in calls for service in that entire area and again I think calls for service are one small portion of this it's one thing to look at on the public safety side but there's other use issues that we have to focus on also okay um and then my other question is bless you bless you um can we see the map again foreign bar and hotel is there any concern about the bar being close to the substantial substance treatment facility are we questioning there I I think had that application come in after so one thing I think we need to understand here is that the requirement of a minor conditional use permit to sell package alcohol is fairly new um that has been in place since the code update in 2021. um so most of the all actually that I know of of the places that serve alcohol or sell alcohol in this General vicinity uh are pre-existing uses so while they did need to come into compliance with the downtown safescape standards which is one of the things we talked or you guys talked about back in December um they are not required to go through the same discretionary review that in this case RightWay Market or any other person or business who wants to sell packaged alcohol in this location would have to go through I'm sorry you're saying they don't need to go through the same process they didn't go through the same process because when they were established this was not a rule okay okay so um it also shows hotel and apartments are kind of factored in I just took a tour with the downtown partnership and that building is vacant so I'm curious as to why that's a factor as well it's not necessarily that it's a factor I was just trying to show in this map what the uses are on all sides so I labeled it in this particular case because it's directly adjacent to the market okay but the compatibility issue that we have here is really with that substance to be a treatment facility and r2c okay and do we have stats on the restaurant bar Hotel there how many calls for service they receive um I do not have that in my report it was not analyzed but I can turn it over to Chief dance if you have any more questions about calls for service okay the other thing so you put that on there just as an identifier exactly so that was just an identifier one of the things I think we need to go back and just clarify so everyone knows as as we move forward because I was confused as hey how did we get here right well correct me if I'm wrong because of the safe Scapes in 2022 January of 2021 21 okay and I want everyone to understand in January 21 we did the safe Scapes and I was very clear most of us were very clear up here what that meant and what that entailed to have a safer cleaner downtown and there were a lot of reasons that we put that in place so there are people that are going to say oh but you have a bar that's right there next to your Rehabilitation Center oh you have this well you got to remember they were in before that date and so once if you were coming back in and now here we are after that date right and you come back in you are now under the safe Scapes requirements absolutely correct yes okay so do you see how that happened because I had to have that explained yeah yeah I understand that but I'm just curious to see you know what kind of calls for service they have because they're basically right next to the right way market I'm just saying this is how we got here yeah yeah and then you know we vote on liquor license you know a lot of consent items and it says in in our um staff reports it says any denial of a license must be consistent with equal protection limitations so I just want to make sure that we're being consistent with that when we have a bar directly next door that we are being consistent with equal protection limitations yes well as as Madame mayor pointed out we have been consistent since 2021 in reviewing all these applications through a discretionary review process and requiring them to point out any of these things that are in the area because it was back in that prior to 2021 that we decided that these sort of uses required a discretionary review so that that makes sense the other thing I want to point out because I think this is important too that it none of this predicates on calls to service this now predicates on the safescapes ordinance exactly we're looking so you can't really even go on the calls for service whenever we're and I get that that was an issue before but today am I correct we are only looking at the safe scapes we are looking we were looking at land use compatibility here and that's the reason for that discretionary review and I had to go over that with staff because I was very confused as to what exactly are we looking at why are we looking at it now and why does that change and because and anyone else that would want to come in would fall under safe skates just as they are coming in almost as like a whole new license correct exactly whether it was RightWay Market or anybody else coming into this location they would have had exactly the same review and exactly the same compatibility yeah no difference but I feel like it is relevant because they're they're only in here requesting this application because we withdrew or we removed our liquor license in the first place due to these requirements so we're kind of acting like it doesn't matter but it does matter because it wouldn't be here if we weren't using that guideline before totally because we decided that downtown was going to matter and that was the message that we sent to everyone downtown okay this is what's happening so it matters now I just want to make sure it absolutely does now more than ever it matters okay okay councilman breakfast you have one more minute one minute I don't think that's due process to these that is you had three you actually had five minutes you know due process involves three minutes three minutes so that's what you have okay um my colleague Miss Ebert brought up that the hotel apartments are vacant I also know that this where you have the thing the label subject site that's the record Street um Brew place that's vacant I know that our our facility that's also on this block next to the substance treatment facility that's vacant how do you make a decision of compatibility when you have so much vacancy where any use can go in well we weren't looking at the vacant uses we were looking at the uses that have been established but any use can establish there well and should another discretionary review come in and users have been established we will look at the uses at that time but could you make a determination that perhaps one of the more dominating factors of land use on this block is vacancy of structures well I'm looking at compatibility with the established surrounding uses you're there's no established use on a vacant building correct so I don't have a crystal ball to know what's going to go in there I'm just saying I'm just I'm just saying you know you're saying compatibility compatibility will you have vacant buildings that have probably as much most opportunity to have any uses in there as any other zoning District in town so I I I'm questioning the compatibility with vacant buildings you know that's my that's my question I completely understand but I just want to point out that the finding number five is compatibility with the types of uses that are permitted in the surroundings oh in the minutes area permitted okay so you're looking at the whole range of uses I'm looking at the uses that I can verify the uses that are well the permitted uses okay so permitted uses really could be pretty broad because this is a very these are this is a zoning District that allows everything from a casino to Apartments to everything so in that instance when you have a zoning District that is so Broad and you have to look at all the permitted uses that compatibility analysis I think falls short particularly when you want to look at permitted uses but then you look at established leuces and half of your block is vacant so there are no established uses so that's where I'm having a hard time understanding the compatibility determination that you made but I want to ask the chief if I get the time councilman breakfast you are now um at 7 minutes and 30 seconds so I just want to remember but I think due process well I'd let you go over okay to be fair well not even to be fair to actually give you more time it's not about me it's about them and having their issue they get the same way they they get the deciders they get the same process as everyone else you know that you've been sitting up here with me for 10 years all right moving along um thank you I appreciate it now um I think we're gonna have a presentation from the applicant fellow respectable mayor and council members my name is opendra Dylan with the right way market and I'm with my wife hello my name is devender Dillon and I'm with raikum hi my name is Jessica and I'm a family member uh with the owners of Brighton Market okay today I'm going to read some facts I have a summary I have writer down okay prior to let me use my glasses I'm sorry okay prior to December 31st 2022 RightWay Market operated under a privilege license liquor license that was not renewed based upon the city master plan and the intent to promote Public Safety however at the city council meeting it was made a parent that the decision was based on the dispatch calls at the time when dispatch was not Consolidated and right where Market was utilized by the law enforcement as known landmark as you can see from the video clips I will show you today from 2022 RPD utilize RightWay address for their service calls despite the incidence occurring outside of the right way property lines as an honor an employer of these separate businesses in Reno I take compliance seriously I have never failed an inspection and do my best to employ as many employees as possible while being one of the only stores offering groceries for individuals for supplemental food program in the area with all that said the overhead of running a business in a food dessert desert is an area where bars are open until 3 AM is difficult my staff and I have Deacon it upon us to personally clean up the block and make sure the Reno municipal court against loitering is followed I have engaged with the police department falling all the recommendation and even join the program they call fuses like every other business nearby we have also complied with the downtown safe scape area plan with the consolidation of dispatch I have personally seen called using my businesses as a landmark drop almost five times at the rate of 7.5 months period though nearby business have not seen the same level of decrease my business dispatch records did not drop because of my business not selling alcohol as alcohol beer and wine are still easily accessible around my business instead the shelter there was previously nearby is no longer being used additionally since my staff and I have taken it upon all ourselves to keep the area free from noting we have seen less pre-section that does not mean to say we do not have problem as this Council knows uh okay I'm not going to talk about this line okay my business and I have always been a good actor we have a paid our taxes on time implemented all the RPD recommendations I have still very confused regarding the data uh at previous meeting it was uh demonstrated that the dispatch calls cannot be differential and its lack of differentiation is being used to justify uh the location of my business is Central to the new apartment complex that will house over 300 units and Central to the bus line and other lower income housing sadly there's no grocery stores in the area instead right where Market provides food to individuals who use supplemental housing and an opportunity to Residence of the downtown Corridor to buy last minute snacks this issue is that without beer and wine sales which only makes up a portion of our business our ability to meet our overhead is diminished I understand that the that it may look like a revocation of my previous license led to lower dispatch calls but since December 22 dispatch has been Consolidated and the city is enforcing RMC section 5.07.123 after having a push of enforcement due to the pandemic right way isn't just a business it is a neighborhood market that is needed especially when Ballpark Apartments opens my only request to The Honorable Council and mere is to allow me the opportunity to show you the right way will contribute to the growth of Reno's community and provide food to the current residents in the desert and beer and wine to our new neighbors coming to the ballpark apartment I know that a beer and wine licenses not my right but it's a privilege there is a renewed periodically if this go wrong if things go wrong the license can be revoked and also I have this letter uh from the Police Department where the fuses program that I'm I'm giving them the access to all my cameras and everything also there are few other things I would like to speak the reason they're asking why the calls are down now why the difference that much we I have come to the front of City Council in the past and I have mentioned and I will again mention today that we are so scared we don't even call the police we go outside and we confront people ourselves and I will show you pictures within the next few minutes compared to my store and next door what the situation is people are sleeping on the street there's a trash all over but I'll show you my store I and I have some better picture inside the store and outside the store there's a one more reason the calls are way low because the shelter have moved away like a mile and a half from my location and those troubled maker people are gone it is not my store only all area is getting better around me everything is getting better because the shelter is gone last proof I have they move close to Golden Gate gas station mile and a half way and I have pulled all the record of the calls Michaels are way down and their cars are gone up because the Bad actors are there now so after you see the video I'll show you and the fact that is not a right way it is the public Street and like like I said it's not my right it's a privileged license and you can take it back anytime you want to uh last 13 years I have passed every inspection fire department and Health Department I never failed and last time when the code Code Enforcement came to my store I was very confused you know I'm passing all the inspection why they are there and one hour a little bit uh uh they have minor things like I'm using extension code for low voltage camera it was fixed immediately and they came back again I talked to them and they said they are happy that you fixed it and I don't understand when they came back the day I lost my license they totally went against me so I have applied not for a liquor license a beer and wine license since there's a no cap on it I believe liquor have a cap on it I can't get a liquor license so we are applying you know for the beer and wine and I would like to show you before I show you the video uh I can put it over here you can see it okay this is my store okay this is my store is neat and it's not focused oh there we go okay this is my store and I'm gonna go one by one and show you a neat and clean outside painting the building is well painted there's a there's a sign I have put it in you know no lottering and everything and there are this side you can see and it is lit all night long and I this is a new sign I do have a other signs on the on the building you know also okay let's see I'm sorry but now I'm gonna show you okay this is this is what homeless do this is the older uh shelter and look at the trash they have built over there but nothing in my property look at this trash all the homeless you know uh they they are they're trouble and this facilities boarded up no more people living there and no more trouble come to my store and also I'm gonna go okay this is next door to me I'm comparing my business with right hand side this is the empty lot sitting there for leaves and you can see the trash all over and people are sleeping next door from my business right there but I don't let anybody you know sleep in front of my store and they don't even come close we go outside we fight with them and we don't let them stay there so what I'm saying is I am trying to help the City by going out with the employees and confronting people so let's see today and I will request if they can play uh the video I have give it to you this video will show you that all these calls there was a reason why license was revoked because they said these are my calls but they are not I'll show you right here I have seven six seven different clips uh you yeah okay right here you can see the Ambassador is fighting with somebody in the middle of a road have nothing to do with my liquor store I'm standing outside and right now they will show the police is coming and uh there were a lot of police cars and again my wife came out we are watching these people and I even told the police when they came please do not put this call on my record because it's not mine here comes the police and this call still goes on my record so that's a perfect example that how I'm being blamed even people have nothing to do with the thriving Market it's a landmark they're using as a landmark so the gentleman is over I mean the guy is over there with the security guy and he's gonna move over there okay let's go to the next one because I don't have that much time I believe this is a second clip I'm telling the police officer sir this is not my call the guy is over there he's not at my store please do not put this call on my record and he said okay but later on what I find out oh it is on my racket you know let's go to the third one look at this gentleman old asking for ambulance have nothing to do with my store have nothing to do with my liquor license here comes the ambulance you know and we are human being he asked for help we have to call so he's going in the ambulance uh nothing to do with the right way let's go to the next one please okay this lady called the ambulance she's outside here comes the ambulance have nothing to do with the right way that's how my record and calls build up over the over the time you know so she got into the ambulance by herself my employee came outside and she's gone let's go let's go to the next one okay you can see those guys are like on the corner of fourth and Evans away from my store ambulance came again they called ambulance nothing to do with the right way no fight nothing and this call also went against me which is not fair you know so let's go to the next one again they are again far away almost on the corner of Fourth Street and they somebody called the police over there have nothing to do with me and I think this time I did go over there again telling the officer please do not uh put this call on my record because every time somebody call the closest uh address on the canopy 330 Evans right-of-way market so they use that as a landmark so it's far away it's on the corner of 4th and Evans my store is over here I believe there are one more or two more let's go to the next one you just opened the last one that's on there last one yeah okay there's a fight over there I believe you know is that a traffic stop yeah yeah again the people are fighting over there behind that truck which is not my property is front of that hotel let's see if we can see when the police comes we did not call okay yeah go ahead metamere and all the respected members I would like to emphasize an effect that there was one comment that was repeated over and over again that the cost of for service do not matter the reason it matters is right from market like the other bars and restaurants and all the other businesses are in the area was an existing establishment that sold liquor rightful markets liquor license was sacked by false data claiming calls on rightful market and then right-win Market was eventually put in a position where they did not have any option and they had to reapply and finally now when they have replied they are in the time period where at some point in 2021 we modify the things and this is these are the new requirements so the reason it becomes critical is the reason those calls become critical is those calls never were made from right-wave Market in the sense that there were never troublemakers or problems because of our customers it was random people I mean we have so many other evidences like the ones we saw so basically if we are today claiming that the calls have dropped compared to before the calls were way more it is because maybe they're just doing a better job at better classifying their data with what calls were actually coming from people who were making some sort of trouble because of right-wing Market selling beer alcohol or whatever so I would I would really you know appreciate if that is considered uh before we make a decision thank you so like I said you know again it is not my right it's a privileged license if you can please I will request from my heart give us at least six months and we'll be back within six months and see you know like I said you have the right to revoke anytime so if you can give us six months and we can prove it that we are not bad actor and then there will be fine but if you see any disturbance because the liquor I mean a beer is there and you can always revoke it thank you very much please think hard before you can make the decision I appreciate your time thank you very much thank you all right I'm gonna bring it back and stop them on the clock so I want to make that clear councilwoman all right bring it back to the body like I said uh councilman Ebert go ahead so I have several questions for the applicant um will your scorpion survive without alcohol sales we are going through very very hard time because our overheads are way way High I mean we are working very hard my wife and myself we're working we have to cut other expenses we have to work long hours and if we don't get the beer wine license it will help and we will also serve the next door facility coming Ballpark Apartments you know and we are going through a hard time let's put it this way it's very hard yeah um and then the rest of my questions are for staff something Madam mayor I have questions for devender Dylan Miss Dylan um you are the person who signed the uh appeal and on the appeal you wrote in each of the boxes see attached do you remember doing that yeah yes okay and and then it says see attached and then there's some typed Pages who prepared the typed pages okay so you wrote each of these responses with her okay did you have the assistance of legal counsel no no okay I can't afford one I understand I just wanted to see um because it's um quite legal in its writing style and so I just didn't know if someone helped a ghost write it so I was just trying to understand who who wrote it my son was with me also okay I'm old school so he was helpful I appreciate that thank you so much um do you own other businesses in the city yes we do sir which are the ones that you own I have a couple stores and uh they are on second and Keystone one is City Corner Gas and Grocery and I have all their record too uh if you can give me a minute foreign Mr Dylan I I don't need to know the culture oh okay I'm just trying to ask what other businesses this is Eastern Market on 2nd and Keystone and uh City Corner Gas and Grocery also second in case you know they are pretty common from each other 1000 West 2nd Street and 975 and at each of those locations do you sell packaged alcohol yes we do so and you also have liquor license there yes sir okay what is your explanation um either one of you are free to answer for the reduction in calls for service it sounded like your family member who was here earlier attributed to better classification of the calls um what is what what explains to us the reduction in calls yes uh like I said before number one we we are so scared we don't even call the police we go out there and confront people that is the number one reason that calls are down we we don't want to call the police unless it is really dangerous to go and somebody can hit us then we call and the second main thing is because our shelter was right behind me and the Troublemaker was coming from there and they were fighting outside which is not my property and I cannot tell anybody who's fighting outside to move from there because Police Department also hey you can you can forcefully move somebody from here because it's the city's property so they are gone and we are confronting people so that is the reason it is way low now okay thank you all right thank you Council on breakfast go ahead I don't know if I have any more questions I'm really stuck on this compatibility because that seems to be the threshold of the issue and on some of those photos I see what I observed when I went there last fall and this matter came up before on the revocation I saw folks like the last folks on the last video coming out with plastic bags and food items one of the guys on the video was coming out and literally he had standing there and he's eating while he's talking to someone in the truck and so he's going there he's getting food other people I observe that I observe them get on the bus I observe them go to the apartments now I'm I'm concerned that staff saying well because there's apartments we really can't have packaged liquor around here and because we have this substance abuse facility we can't have um folks around here well we did approve as I recall a um medical marijuana license dispensary next to a treatment facility not that long ago it was residential I didn't and we also have Apartments popping up all over downtown so if if a store like yours that serves food stuff and liquor that people with the plastic bags walk home you know and it's allowed use I just don't know where it's going to be allowed I mean when those apartments open up which are many more Apartments than the one vacant building near you I just don't know that the administrator is going to be able to make the decision that no one can open a little grocery store and still package it on there because we were going to decide that it's incompatible and you know we we have to then because if it's incompatible because of apartments on this block it's going to be incompatible in other apartments on this block so my question to you is if all throughout downtown people can only go into these little stores like yours and buy chips and bags um are they gonna are downtown residents gonna have somewhere to go to buy alcohol do they have the ability to go where would they go like like I said there's no other store which have a lot of groceries and fine wine and beer yeah I mean it is very hard for them yeah I'm I'm not there's a cap on liquor license and I'm not even asking for that I'm asking fine wine and beer yeah you know when they go home from the bus station they can buy it yeah you know well I think this interpretation is it's not going to be compatible anywhere in downtown this stands okay any more questions I do go ahead some questions well first of all we're approving you know earlier today we approved Parkway Tavern and a building where they're putting in apartments so I mean I to say that it's proximity Wise It's not compatible I mean we're proving liquor license or alcohol license literally in the same building as Apartments you know in the same day well I mean yeah I guess that's for staff um so you know again going back to are we um well In fairness the staff did not make that claim staff said that they were not making it based on apartments staff said it was related to the presence of a drug treatment facility and the bus stop they miss Brock or I'm sorry I forgot your new married name picardi said that she put that on the slide to I'll highlight for you what was adjacent but not that those were the compatibility findings okay well that's confusing I mean to put it on there well she tried to make that explanation yeah okay um so you know also you know when when was the record Street um shelter closed do we know do we have that I have no idea I think it was a while they they moved those people in two faces first the ladies the children was gone and then the rest of the people are gone and also the the other facility we were talking about I think is closed down the whole thing is it's not there yeah okay um did the reduction in calls coincide with the apartment building uh closing down as well I'm sorry did the reduction in calls did that coincide at all with the apartment building next door closing down it could be because people are living there and yeah you know it could be I'm not sure but my main my main thing is my main concern is that we are out there we don't let them stay in front of my building and and again I'm saying I don't believe that taking my license away is helping I mean there's a still crime on the street yeah and uh bad people are still there and I'm gonna be very honest I'm not saying we don't have problem it's a store once in a while bad people come and we have to call the police and the reason uh like I said the calls are way down because we're going out there my employees going out there and we're taking the responsibility to help City to clean the block and also shelter is gone so I will again request please please give me six months I'll come back and if you see any problem like I said it's a privilege license take it away I I do think there's been a significant change in the area I mean the apartments are now vacant the Ruckus Street Shelter is now not in use um the calls for service have gone down I don't think that it's a huge risk to give them a license and see you know what happens I think that they've proven that a lot of these calls for service were not a direct result of them they're being used as a landmark they're not asking for a full liquor license or asking for beer and wine we've given other license to again Parkway Tavern today they're building apartments in the same building um I think that it's important that we help local businesses we already have 72 vacancy downtown and also I'm concerned about creating food deserts downtown they do sell other items groceries things like that if they were to go out of business I'm not sure where people would buy groceries only one five thousand square feet store which is servicing thank you okay ask you here because you came up and you said that the alcohol is not where you make your money I would assume if it was then it you would be the right way liquor store you are the right way market correct we have lost like thirty thousand dollar a month so that is comes from so you're making thirty thousand dollars a month on your liquor it's only gross sales and then we have like five thousand Foods you said that you didn't make money on that but so right now are you selling groceries yes okay so you so it's not a food desert they are selling groceries yeah I understand that but if they were to go out of business well well wait a minute if it was just predicating on on alcohol then you would be a liquor store you wouldn't be both so you wouldn't really go into both if you um were if you only made money on liquor you clearly also make money um on the market side no it's it's a mixed thing you know okay people come and if they don't see any beer they leave the grocery too they said we'll go somewhere else because you don't have all the items we need they don't want to go to two different places one for beer and one for okay I see what you're saying okay I got you that makes sense I understand that first of all I want to say thank you for cleaning it up I've been very um very vocal actually about a lot of this and I will and I can pinpoint it since June 5th 2019 and I will refresh the memory of this Council this has nothing to do with your calls or service um and I appreciate you you doing that because I um know my police officers have a very very difficult job and when they have to be in one place all the time you're sucking up the resources and I appreciate you recognizing that for one I want to remind this Council on June 5th 2019 there was a liquor store that came before us across from hopes and we said no more we thought that that was incredibly problematic that is before we put in the safe skates ordinance and then there was another one um that was a dispensary that I stayed consistent with because I truly believe um that they should not be in the proximity I think that that's problematic you you did not know that at the time of um you know putting your business there so I completely understand and I completely understand um your frustration but I want to remind a couple of council members up here that did support that and again I've stayed very very consistent so that's where um I see where when we talk about compatibility and uses and where they should be I believe strongly that these are things we should consider we literally put a dispensary right up next to a rehab but yet we didn't we um didn't uh then we also have the liquor store on 5th Street so I'm absolutely going to stay consistent so this this Council can kind of jump all over the place but I'm going to tell you um you know it's sort of interesting how they'll it'll work in some instances and other people and maybe that's because of relationships and then you know um and I and I know there are some relationships that are happening that are here I'm not going to call those out uh but I I think in some ways um that that's probably what we're seeing here and some some angling and that is really unfortunate and um you know and I'm not even going to mention it because I think it doesn't deserve enough air so I'm just going to move away from these relationships I think we all know what I'm talking about all right I'm going to send it to you uh you know what I'm talking about no idea what you're talking about yes you do and I don't know if I care you don't need to keep me waiting on someone else and I don't know but excuse me do not know what you're talking about but I would like to bring up excuse me I'm whatever Council decides yeah to uh vice mayor go ahead Madam mayor I wanted to actually um uh sort of address something that you addressed which was this history around the June 5th 2019 meeting I was relatively new to the council at that time but at that time and I went back and had the staff pull the minutes from that meeting because at that time we did deny a small uh food market and liquor store from going in at 5th and Ralston I think you're familiar with the site that I'm talking about and I remember at the time and the minutes did confirm that councilmember breckus was concerned and she was the only vote to allow that use to happen there next to the hopes clinic but the other six College members at the time including myself and mayor she be voted against it and Miss breakfast's concern there was about establishing a precedent without adopting first policies and then of course we did that we went forward we developed the downtown safe scape ordinances we made some policy choices at this body because we want wanted to make sure that Miss breakfast's concerns were addressed and I think that that is the consistency I I think the calls for service are a red herring I'm not sure that they are relevant to my decision tonight but more about the compatibility with the transit station next door as well as the rehabilitation facility now I will comment I believe the rehabilitation is gone I'm not asking for input but thank you so much um I I will say that the issue about the the marijuana dispensary license really turned on an agreement that the parties and that had reached in part because I think that the Empowerment Center was looking to move elsewhere but so that was a unique issue and also not existing in the downtown Corridor where we have a real lengthy history about limiting the number of liquor licenses to the agreed upon a cap and also with the downtown Street tape ordinances so for my point I think there is some consistency across all of those although I appreciate the mayor's point about having been consistent on all three of the matters and don't find fault with that but again I'm not basing whatever decision I make tonight based on the calls or service those I think are a historical footnote to the discussion but not particularly relevant to the findings that we have to make in order to approve a privileged license can staff just clarify that I I don't believe you can make this decision based on those calls correct Carl what was the question the the question is is that the decision before us is you cannot make um you can't whether the calls were there or not this is not about that it's about the area the compatible use correct it's regarding whether or not the it's not as compatible with you okay not the calls for service correct no okay all right I just want to make sure that that's unclear okay question sure go ahead we'll go uh we can go one more minute okay I just don't understand one more minute one round the calls for service were the basis for removing the liquor license before now now they're red herring and they don't they're not relevant I just want to make sure that I'm understanding as a new council person I'm getting a little bit of whiplash here like it did matter and now it doesn't matter at all so I'm just going to make sure yeah I see where she's getting confused because it sounds confusing because that was the whole grounds for pulling it a few months ago and it was very contentious and there was a lot of people that gave public comment and defense of them and it was you know we were all um concerned about public safety and Bad actors and all of that and now it's not even a relevant issue so I just want to make sure I'm understanding well that's exactly right I think I was trying to get it I think I can help you hear council member Ebert um so the the previously existing license was suspended by a hearing officer and the council's decision was not to revoke it but instead to not renew it on the quarterly basis or the annual basis when it came up for renewal based on calls for service based on calls for service and the manner in which the property was operated and looked and that is a legitimate consideration when we're talking about a license that's in place and an operator who is duly licensed and and subject to enforcement uh by the city the question in front of the body today is as though a license never existed the question in front of the body today is would you allow this use to be established today for the first time in this location given what is built up around it and the vacancy and that peoples that are in place today okay so given that people would have to walk around a bar to get to a grocery store that would sell beer and wine next to a vacant apartment building correct well you can frame it however you want oh I'm just sitting in front of you is whether or not you would allow this use to be established in this location today for the first time given what has built up around it and the rules that are in place today okay well it's actually been you know built up it's actually going backwards these are vacancies now around it so okay just wanted clarification thank you okay Council on breakfast you want another minute yeah I I think how I understood Miss Brock and I'm Sorry Miss um McCallie okay I'm sorry the stop report was that the finding of General Health safety and Welfare was evidenced by the police calls be when they were selling liquor and not selling liquor so she did introduce it into a component of evidence that the administrator used to deny the application is that correct yes as a as a planner you know we send these applications out for review to internal departments and outside agencies so those internal departments and external agencies have an opportunity to review that application under their codes and then make a recommendation to the planner as to whether or not they think that it should be approved and if it should be approved what conditions of approval should be applied so in this case as the Planner on staff I had Reno code enforcement telling me that it's not meeting their standards for compatibility and their recommending denial I had Reno Police Department telling me that the calls for service had declined and they're recommending denial and then I have RTC recommending denial so then I take a look at the findings and I'm comparing these recommendations of denial from our city departments and agencies I I can't turn around and say well despite the fact that RPD says that the calls for service have declined I'm going to go ahead and support this finding and say that this is a yes when clearly the expert on the subject has said no it's not well and I I see so I'm just I want to clarify the calls for service before and after were a point of evidence that allowed her to recommend denial now I'm convinced by the applicant who says I'm so afraid I don't even call for calls for service I haven't had a chance to ask the chief about the disaggregated of RPD calls versus other calls which might have had other dispatch but I don't find it compelling you know an RTC saying we don't want it there I didn't see anything rolled in there compelling so the general health safety and Welfare I'm not convinced by that body of evidence the other one of the compatibility I certainly am not convinced you are in the most diverse area of downtown where so many uses are allowed many of those are uses that come with secondary effects got a strip club within a frisbee throw of this one got a lot of Gaming all around so when you talk about compatibility it's a real hard thing in an urban compact setting so I am not moved by that one either okay and I I think if we can't put beer and wine here because something an a vacant building that used to be a by for apartments is part of that evidence we are not going to be able to put beer and wine anywhere else in this quadrant of downtown so I'm not convinced and I'm I'm ready to look at the conditions that she recommends that we attach when we overturn thank you okay thank you so much councilman breakfast by the way I want to remind you I will let you go over two minutes so it's not funny yeah and I let them go over but I'm just reminding you because you always say that you feel like you you don't have enough time and I want you to know I'm giving you more time than anyone else thank you anyone else you get one more time we need to be an exhaustive body on these issues with due process and that's totally fine I just want to point out that it is fair because oftentimes you say it's not fair so that's important to me so everyone knows that the process up here is fair and actually councilwoman breakfast gets more time so um I also think that councilman breakfast does bring up some really good points but here's what the council did do we moved forward with the safe Scapes for a reason because things were changing because the total environment was changing that was the very reason we came out with these businesses and said help us we need you to help us help you we want to make downtown Thrive we want to make downtown different and um and we need it to change some people heard that and some people didn't that was unfortunate and I mean it was over and over and over again so um all right I'm gonna uh send it back to you Miss Brock I guess or no am I sending it to you vice mayor Madam mayor I'm prepared to make a motion okay go ahead regarding the appeal of mup23-0007 RightWay Market package alcohol sales based on the council review of the administration's decision letter the record on appeal and information presented at the public hearing for the appeal and based on my ability to make all the findings uh especially those related to compatibility and for the record I'm disregarding the calls for service issue I moved to affirm the denial the minor conditional use permit by the administrator to deny the appeal city clerks instructed to prepare and file an order all right I have a motion I have a second you go ahead I just want to correct one thing to my knowledge is this concept that we've introduced this new spot a bunch of regulations called the safescape regulations those are regulations that have been in place for two decades there was always a section in Title 18 called safescape now maybe it was enhanced at some point through our code revision but those have always been a place and so I just want to get that historical um fact out there and we can all look in the title 18 revision language if we wanted to I won't um be supporting I think that this is a um a continued story of targeting frequently you know I've spent the better part of the month dealing with an individual who is strangled in the parking lot of the Silver Legacy after will it winning a large jackpot okay we've got crimes going on all downtown related to different businesses we haven't had any discussion about pulling anyone's privileged licenses where crimes are are conducted and unless we put a big parameters we talk about policies big parameters for revocation then I'm not going to be there and the revocation is what put these people in the sad predicament they're at now okay and so I think it is targeting I felt very strongly about that and I won't support it okay thank you so much I appreciate that anyone else no I mean if you want to really talk about targeting I think actually some of us up here were also targeted I was also you know I I I got to tell you that so I I don't believe that that um is true so you mentioned a hit list the other a couple meetings ago mayor you did you said a hit list okay councilwoman breakfast and it just anything I'm in support of it's she's it's the opposite so that's kind of how that works um and if you see because I have the proof on everything that we've voted on uh Fifth Street in 2019 is a very good example of that so all right I have a motion in a second all those in favor say aye aye aye all those opposed opposed a post motion carries all right Madam clerk sending it back to you I think she glitched it's late we're on to I2 which as a reminder is the item where the applicant has requested a continuance until our October 25th meeting but it is a public hearing and it was duly noticed and so we need to go through the motions of opening public comment and voting on whether or not to continue the matter until October 25th okay you need a public comment open it all right Madam clerk do you have any public comment on this item Madam mayor we do not have any public comment on this item additionally we did not receive any correspondence and just for the record it was properly noticed all right so then you have to do a time so now you close it okay now we'd like to close the public hearing no public comments okay I need a motion to continue to continue I have a motion I have a second all those in favor say aye aye I'm as opposed motion carries and might I just clarify is it 10 25 at 6 pm and that has to be on the record yes ma'am okay thank you all right so we're moving into our closing public comment for today um it has been distributed to council and so for the record we do not have any live public comment we do have one attendee in the room who is holding their hand up and would like to make public comments so Mr Bill shrimp we will move you over at this time all right hi Bill good evening it's been a long day and you've been with us the entire time no I have thanks Bill absolutely well thank you guys um for doing the work and putting the time in I know it's late so I'll be quick um gosh I was almost so happy and I know when it got late everybody got a little frustrated um I would like to challenge everybody uh in the next meeting to continue to have passionate debate but leave the personal barbs behind and alone um please represent myself and yourselves better and know you're capable so that's that's all I would ask so thank you thank you very much guys have a good evening thanks Bill you too all right additionally we have Dora Martinez hi Dora Dora if you'll go ahead and unmute can you guys hear me now we can go ahead please state your name for the record and begin speaking okay sorry I'm not a mayor this is Dr Martina sorry for the background noise I'm sort of walking with the dog okay okay so good evening to you and the rest of the hard-working Council people thank you so much for um congratulating me Madame I just want to say um Echo the prior uh commenters and um thank you for all that you all do um Mr Devin Reese I know I always CCU on my email and thank you to Jamie um helped a veteran a disabled 73 old man today in within an hour so I appreciate all of you and to quote you metamere we always want to do better and we are trying and I'm here trying to connect people in the community who are disabled and do not have a phone um but there is help in the City of Reno or or when we don't know we come over there and they and Jamie connects us to those other people that he knows so thank you and I hope you all have a great evening thank you so much thanks Dora and congratulations on your award I you should be very very proud and the work that you're doing is making a massive massive difference so congratulations from all of us to you and keep up the great work thank you you guys have a good evening drive safe you too see you soon all right Madame mayor for the record we did receive nine additional comments which were General in nature or not directly associated with an item after 4 pm yesterday September 12th these comments were written correspondence voicemails or emails to our office at Reno and received VR reno.gov online public comment form copies of these have been distributed to the Reno city council and are a part of the permanent record six in favor three in opposition and with that we're on item k a motion to adjourn I have a motion in a second all those in favor say aye all as opposed motion carries