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[0:03] Jim Michalski: like to open the meeting of the mo Lake City Council for Wednesday February 14th 2024 at 400 p.m. and let start with a Pledge of Allegiance please pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for [0:38] Jim Michalski: all like to welcome all our guests here tonight thanks for coming uh the first uh item is approval of agenda I do have one aition this would be under six new business this would be the letter P this is ordinance 105 and like to request uh discussion on that and a possible amendment to that ordinance does anyone anyone else have any changes additions subra of the agenda not from the council I have a motion to approve the agenda so move I [1:25] Jim Michalski: have a second all in favor say I opposed say no motion carried we'll move on to number two the consent agenda this is 2 A1 minutes this is regular city council meeting January 10th 2024 number two the Planning Commission meeting January 24th 2024 number three is a special city council meeting January 20 24 excuse me 24 2024 and number four the emergency city council meeting February 12th 2024 do we have any discussion Corrections on the [2:14] Jim Michalski: minutes dri a second second all in favor say I I opposed say no motion Carri moving on to 2B the financial courts number one the City accounts payable for January 2024 number two the city financial statements January 2024 and number three the liquor store profit and loss statement for January 2024 is there any discussion questions on the financial reports here none do I have a motion so move I have a second second [3:00] Jim Michalski: all in favor say I I opposed say no motion carried number three this is a public comment this time is restrict or is reserved for comments from the public on matters not listed on the agenda please PE keep your comments to three minutes please thank you [3:00] Judy Ohly: good evening I'm Judy oie 3:25 L Drive Mo Lake Minnesota I'm here tonight because at the last Planning and Zoning meeting on the agenda they were going to talk about art gallery definition examples and that was worrisome to me because um there are so many different types of art galleries out there and I just came to town with an art gallery [3:47] Judy Ohly: and I can't guarantee what the art gallery is going to look like and our current um ordinance is very vague and that's the way almost every ordinance I've ever seen in a small community they're vague because you don't want to alienate any possibility let them all come forward let's hear them all so I would ask that you not spend any time any staff time trying to Define what an art gallery is I've given you a list of different kinds of art that I've thought about and it's not all inclusive it's all things that I've got an interest in and some of those things I'm going to do eventually but none of them are going to be all and they're not going to be all [4:33] Judy Ohly: at the same time myad that's going to be going in the um the paper is very vague or not the paper but the all the paper too but the chamber has a um booklet that they give out every year so it's just going to say art U new and repurposed art featured artists the magic Pottery rare music literature and we'll have a glass Kil on site so that's what we're doing today and um if you have any questions about the gallery or anything else I'd be happy to share any questions by the council no and nothing has come forward to the council to do such [5:20] Jim Michalski: okay so well if it does yes well thank you this I'll be Havey to help with research too well thank thank you okay appreciate it anyone else in attendance hearing none thank you very much we move on to uh departmental reports this is for a interim police chief [5:58] Chad Paulson: Chad coun mayor sha administrator Owens uh for the uh month of January we had um 111 calls for service uh we had nine business checks um which is down from last month of uh the month of December 26 45 extra patrols uh there was only 27 in December I did make that a priority that we got out and tried to do some more extra patrols make sure uh things work weren't going bad or anything like that so did make that a priority uh 24 traffic stops there was 24 in December eight Community engagements there was six months before not a lot of sports stuff going on anymore stuff starting to wind down so the community engagements [6:43] Chad Paulson: just aren't as much as we could do in the summer um three assist to other agencies five last month 21 other calls for service there was 44 in December wintertime things are starting to calm down a bit and one medical call there we responded to if there was three last month so total calls were 111 there was 135 the month before um I also just want to say that I know things look a little Bleak with me being the only officer left down here but give me the chance to bring this PD back to where it needs to be or where we the city can afford it to be and I will absolutely do that you know there's a reason I haven't left already I don't want to leave I want to [7:29] Chad Paulson: be here I want this city to have a police department so give me the chance to do it I'm your guy I'll make it happen thank you good job appreciating it thank you also just a quick thank you to the county officers also because you have been present in the community during this time also it's appreciated thank you [7:29] Jim Michalski: moving on to the city superintendent Phil edner Department report for January 2024 and also the moake campground bath Hills renovation update [8:16] Phil Entner: administrator yeah we we've had a busy um there's not much snow there but we still ways to stay busy we'll start in the water department uh the Water Department distributed 6.7 million gallons drinking water month of January um and currently working on uh the source water protection grants both of them have gotten the last three years in a row um we're putting together some projects and some sub mitts for for different options for projects moving forward FL uh the sewer department collected 11.5 million gallons of waste water the month of January our new npds did permit did get uh distributed to us the first of the first of the year so we're still digging to that there's a lot of information there that we got pack as a wastewater treatment facility um but we're we're about halfway through we're doing good um the 2023 sanitary SE Ling project I [9:03] Phil Entner: think we're going to touch on later the 2024 sanitary sewer lining project um we'll be doing televising and cleaning on that project for that project in the next two weeks so that'll be a portion of that that'll get taken care of um most of the council knows we started a routine cleaning maintenance policy which program sorry uh that we put into place when I took over in 2016 um we already jumped ahead this last couple of weeks as it's been with no snow we've been not super busy but we're trying to catch up on what what we try to do during the rest summer so we we completed that there was about 21,000 ft of 8 in clay tile PVC clay tile pipe that we did clean and service this year or in the last two weeks just something [9:49] Phil Entner: to think about we do that in house so all of the Public Works crew and water and wastewater technitions as well that we have we do all of that ourselves at the price of about $130 a foot we're saved about $27,000 doing that ourselves which is huge because it's count us time need money I mean we're we're very stra for finances right it's it's it's not fun so I mean just just put that one in your back pocket that's a big deal that's a huge deal um the treatment facility we'll jump to that now um we are going to be doing a discharge the first week of March um I'm going to be looking into possible other capacity saving options or capacity increasing options there we go that's better um for the ponds I know [10:34] Phil Entner: capacity is a big thing we're talking about right now and if in any way we can we can try to gain more capacity in our Wastewater facility is going to better off us as a city and the communities that we serve through that utility as well so I'm going to be there's there's going to be a few trips across the state that I'll be going to for a couple of days um a little later on here into the year that I'll be looking into just just some some things that I think could be very beneficial for Mo Lake jump to the cemeteries we did have two winter burials here last two weeks ago um those did get completed everything got taken care of there there's some sprink clean up to take care of the campground bath house do you want to touch on that here [11:20] Phil Entner: um no right right now okay so once again that's another project that Public Works took over basically General construction of um we did s on anything that we didn't have licens as for um nor did we have equipment and materials for as well um with that project being completed there are pictures in the packet that show The Working upgrades of that building those pictures are not 100% we're still waiting on the electrical contractor to finish up but he wasn't done in by a time like of those pictures so regardless it looks way better on that project alone we also saved about $15,000 doing that work ourselves because we have the talent inside of the sh and the CRS that you guys employ to be able to do this kind of thing if we've brought that whole price T to you and added $15,000 on top [12:08] Phil Entner: of it I don't know if we would have been able to do that so well done to everybody in the public work department and then for the city as well to take that step forward to try to better that facility for the people this St and for the campers that are en camper so just a couple things to keep in mind youa that's running smoothly is it's it's a lot of people getting burnt out down there whether it's from different associations and and employees and grw the whole works it's people are getting burnt out and it's coming down to the end couple weeks left here about a month or so but they're getting there um recycling center that's running as always have nothing to do their training stuff so about a year ago I think you guys made me the training officer for [12:53] Phil Entner: City MO Lake which was awesome by the way so thanks for that task um would that be being said all but the admin staff at least from when you're taking care of your own we knew that um and there's one other small Department too that has not done their safety training for 2.4 other than that everybody else is training everyone's all everything is taken care of everything was signed off fund everything's legit we're good to go so that's been a huge pain so thank you for that privilege and it's it's been a struggle but we're getting there um but yeah that one thing touch on that money savings that's huge for mole total those two things together the bath house Rena and the sanary SE cleaning program is 42,000 bucks which is huge that's a that's a huge deal especially for a [13:39] Phil Entner: small community with a very small tax base any questions looks great the ma good job do pretty good yeah yeah people are going to appreciate that I up it's been many many years since that that hasn't been upgraded so you should have putes in the packet as well I was looking for before I couldn't it's a it's a it's night day it was bad excellent so greatly appreciate it good job Phil thank you [13:39] Jim Michalski: thanks Municipal liquor store Department report for January 2024 [14:25] Ryan McKeon: city council Shaw administrator Rens uh Mari continues to do a phenomenal job down at the liquor store um last weekend all of our team members went through an update of Sur safe training um with through the mmba so just waiting on certificates we'll put a copy in everyone's folder and then they'll get a certificate as well um her and I continue to make efficiencies in our Point of Sales system so that's great uh we've had some issues with MediaCom and the the TVs down there but we're working through that um and also we had Donnie Buck down there for entertainment that went over super well so great job down at the liquor store questions C good job thank you [14:25] Jim Michalski: technology and Library Department I take that yours yeah [15:12] Ryan McKeon: it related stuff yesterday actually we had our server new server installed um it is not active and live yet they just put it in the server room make sure it works stuff like that there's still a ton of work to do on the back end I've asked them to do a phase approach as opposed to everyone all at once and then I'll be running all over the place trying to fix things so they were going to recommend that way anyway um so we'll do Department by Department there will be a little bit of downtime for each but we want to make sure we get it right before we move on to the next Department um we also installed our new copier up up in admin that's been going really super well um we will repurpose the old one we're thinking the library Laura could use it their old copier is [15:59] Ryan McKeon: falling apart I you know I'm down there a couple times a month fixing it so we think we have a spot for that any questions at Council just a Qui for me there was there was uh I believe two computer station change jum this year or was there just one there's actually five five of them going so have to come those will start happening in March okay thank you yep [15:59] Jim Michalski: going on to 4E Cemetery Department annual expense Revenue review [16:45] Ellissa Owens: yeah I wanted to give Council visibility to the revenues and expenditures in the cemetery department for 2023 so just a couple of highlighting points um we used to contract out uh for services in the cemetery and so those have now been brought into public works uh that contract was around $144,000 that the city would um extend for those services so with us doing that in house and in addition to the column barium we are now generating Revenue so not only are we um making up for the contract amount but we are starting to gain traction with revenues as well um so with this analysis that's in your packet it has the cemetery fund profit for 2023 at $ 24,25 that does include a onetime um spike in Revenue that we won't see so some further ass investment we're looking at about $8 to [17:31] Ellissa Owens: $10,000 annually of Revenue um in the cemetery and again that's a swing from the $114,000 contract in addition to um other expenses in the cemetery that we used to hold in that so um we've met our goal we've exceeded our goal as far as uh now generating Revenue in the cemetery so it's self-sufficient operating expenditures are um right about um $7,000 a year um and so our total revenues in 2023 were 31,000 again that incorporates a one one time large expenditure so um really excited about the progress made in the Cemetary fund and if anybody has any um or Cemetery Department if anybody has any additional [18:17] Ellissa Owens: questions please feel free to let me know that's a huge turnaround from where it was a few years ago it's exciting it's exciting and we did have the columbarium expense so we did of course you know um invest as a capital project in the cemetery department but it is it's working and it's really exciting and um the uh overall expenditures as far as looking at a $7,000 operating expense every year um is a significant saving in itself so saving on expenditures and also increasing our revenues it's it's excellent yeah I'd like to say thank Phil and his crew for taking that on or digging the grades and all that stuff we wouldn't be in this position without you guys i' for [19:03] Jim Michalski: sure yes um I was just wondering how many boxes or have we sold in the column area I do not know that I do not I could find out we can we can certainly have that um information for Council next month we can do another update curious yeah absolutely that's going to buy another one yeah sounds good thank you any other questions comments moving on excuse me m moving on to 4f Parks and Recreation Department a campgro and annual expense Revenue review and B the Riverside Arena annual [19:48] Ryan McKeon: expense Revenue review I'm back uh I put put together a quick little Campground snapshot for you fine folks um on the left this is Page 64 in your packet in case you need uh on the upper left hand side um you'll see the different sites Walt I thought you'd want to see this so we have sold nine dry camping sites already so yeah yeah uh this data is good through February 11th so it's pretty up to date and then on the right hand side has a pie graph that kind of illustrates the same thing that's on the left um to TMI on color blind so I won't be able to tell you which ones are which one uh and then year over year so 2024 we're at [20:33] Ryan McKeon: 55584 56 already through the 11th uh versus 49 50216 through the 11th the previous year so we're ahead of the mark of last year which was a banner year about $6,000 ahead of the piece yeah any questions on the campground it's been an exciting first six weeks it's busy for us yeah once the campground opens January 1st it's uh Arena so I just want to say uh first and foremost we put a ton of work into the arena um uh admin um collaboration with the the school district uh the Hockey Association has [21:18] Ryan McKeon: been wonderful um so uh in essence you'll see in bold on the right hand side kind of the highlights of you know the efforts that we've put forward in the last year so uh at the bottom there 2024 operating deficit we have cut that down to just over $110,000 which is amazing compared to where it was anything you want to add what it [22:06] Ellissa Owens: uh yeah in the packet uh on page 66 you'll see that the operating deficit in 2021 was right around $80,000 and so the work that's been put in over the past two years um we've changed operations Staffing we've increased our lease revenues uh we worked really hard on our advertising revenues as well um and so the [22:06] Ellissa Owens: modifications that we've made to cuts and then uh generating additional revenues we have uh essentially moved the deficit from $79,000 to $10,000 projected in 2024 so we're really excited about that we now have a new team goal we are going to work in 2024 to make up that $10,000 deficit in additional revenues um because we feel like we've kind of refined our expenses as far as we possibly can um so we'll continue to keep an eye on them and now we're going to push for additional Revenue so really exciting there's been a ton of progress the last two years in the arena um and we're hoping to essentially move into uh move from the red into the black here in 2024 and 2025 and we'll most certainly keep Council [22:51] Jim Michalski: updating I just want to give a reminder um all of these changes were the ones that Alys had brought forward and Ryan to the Council on the changes like the arena manager the park manager uh contract at the cemetery it made a initial Savings of over 80,000 by eliminating those positions however it a lot of it fell on the street department and we did take sumon we did hire Taylor in the management to take care of some of that administrative Duty that these other people did so the the savings to me is around 60,000 overall plus bringing that deficit of [23:38] Jim Michalski: the Arena down that's a I don't think we would ever reach that there that to me is amazing that we're we're there um for years that has that has operated in uh the red probably from the very beginning so to make this kind of your progress is fantastic and appreciate to both you the job you guys have done and that Phil and Taylor part of you than thank you may sha some of that is the partnership with water and light as well on the electric uh utility expenses too yeah so there's a lot of hands in this pot everybody's trying to do their part and it's it's really been um a a pleasure to be a part of and it's it's been a fun goal to work [24:23] Ellissa Owens: towards in addition in your packet Council you have the uh Mighty Duck application Grant so that was submitted on February uh 13th we um are eligible for to apply for a $250,000 Grant um for a cooling system replacement and so you'll see the application the verbage that was utilized um we are working in collaboration with the Hockey Association and the school and we'll continue to try and find ways to um fund the new compressor system without um utilizing taxpayer money money so that's the goal for that as well any further questions comments from the council thank you for your efforts thank you Ryan good [25:10] Jim Michalski: job moving on to number four G the city engineer um we got the monthly update February 7 2024 and L T Incorporated oh yeah so you'll see in the packet we have the uh meeting minutes from the month meeting that occurred on February 7th we are going to touch on most of these items within the um new business agenda for the council meeting I did just want to highlight one thing that we won't discuss later on the updated Pond capacity memo will be presented by our city engineers at March's meeting um so short Elliot Hendrickson will come in and present the updated pwn capacity memo um in March questions by the [25:56] Jim Michalski: council hearing none thank you very much number four h Chamber of Commerce updates monthly update yes you were able to attend the Chamber of Commerce meeting today um essentially a lot of event planning is kicking off uh in your packet you'll see that they have um the chamber has established some dates for upcoming events in the spring and summer we did discuss ways that the city will make sure that we collaborate and we continue to be a good partner with the chamber um on all the events and so we've got some um some ideas and some um process pieces that we'll work through and bring forward to council when uh when we get there any more comments or [26:41] Jim Michalski: input thank you we move on move on to number five previously discuss discuss business 5 A's ordinance number 171 in ordinance amending ordinance number 127 an ordinance establishing use and regulations for municipal wastewater treatment facilities of the city of Mo Lake any update [26:41] Ellissa Owens: uh this is the third reading of ordinance number 171 this was provided to us by the city attorneys we have met all of our publishing requirements um and or looking for um motion from Council if uh if Council desdes discussion questions or motion from the council [27:36] Douglas Juntunen: motion to approve ordance 171 do I have a second second any questions or discussion hearing none all in favor say I I oppos say no motion carried thank you under 5B ordinance number 17 72 an ordinance revoking ordinance number 122 flood plane management [28:22] Ellissa Owens: uh yes once again um this ordinance has been run through the paces as far as um readings and our publishing requirements this is the third reading of ordinance number 172 uh in addition we did have the DNR review it um this is a lot of this is template based and we've worked with FEMA and uh the DNR on this ordinance um they have uh provided their um go ahead and thumbs up as far as approval from their perspective and this ordinance allows us to participate in the National flood plane insurance program so we do need a vote on this corre so open it up for discussion or motion I'll make a motion we ordinance number one thank you do we have a second any questions discussion any none all in favor say I I oppos say no motion carried thank [29:07] Jim Michalski: you moving on to new business um Jordan I had presented a uh packet for us that all of you have have read um a lot of this information um we have researched in the past um I know that either the management and also the councilmen in at our public hearing um is there any new items that you wish to talk about in that packet ask me Jordan do you want to come up to speak some of bit sure yeah you because we did have a public hearing and we're going to do action on it so try to [29:53] Jordan: keep it to to about five minutes if you could we'll thank you all right um so I want to start by saying that I've have done some PR sensive research in order to fild that packet um I going to start off by saying that the a average law forun salary in Minnesota is $943 197 per year for 4097 per hour in Minnesota assuming a 48 Hour Work week uh the or the police department isur hiring officers starting at a salary of 49,000 or 79,000 824 or 3464 per week also a 48 Hour Week um and I want to point out that if we do go with the county what happens at next year or year after that they decide to bump it up the [30:41] Jordan: cost of the coverage to around a million dollars for the same service um giving that it's a real possibility because Sheriff's SP would be required to puras four new squads Plus hire four deputies um um the county is already four depu short four deputies short to my understanding could be less could more um but how long will it take to get this covered as well um I understand that we only have one law enforcement officer right now but it could take longer than us hiring hypothetically speaking um the county wages are also currently close to $35,000 below the state average salary um hiring posts on [31:28] Jordan: the website um they're due to a for major price or wage increase once their contract is up uh and I do not think we can take the Financial Risk that is being proposed uh most lik is a tourism Hub and visitors are generally the highest VI Supply services that being said I have come up with a budget proposal that would be paid for with an additional one 1% sales taabs and a potentially 2 to 4% % liqu tax this is bringing over $500,000 during revenue and prevent raising property taxes over 36% to achieve the same goal uh we also need to attract more businesses and incentivize business growth yes there's moratorium in effect [32:14] Jordan: until May 31st 2025 on sales tax increases however there is a worker own by going through the sales tax task force um this sales tax increase with payer half the police department along with wage increases for officers going a would also uh receive we could also receive a large amount of funding by partnering with the m Township um which reminder stand has voted it down in the past um but I mean if we can somehow get to work with getting ads out to the public I don't know if the city can do that or not or a person would be willing to I would be [32:59] Jordan: willing to work on that if need to be done but um the city's 2024 budget for two officers and a tree the average salary amounts to $647 36 per year or 2809 per that's $326 61 per year Bel State average law enforcement officer salary for $15,804 Rin officers not distrain them for another apartment um in my budget officers could potentially see a $10,000 wage increase based on my proposal and based on current salaries um we also see a number a rise and number of officers in my budget from two that plus acheve currently for [33:49] Jordan: 2024 um to five officers plus acheve by 2027 um this would also account for new squads equipment and Rising prices the unfortunate fact is that prices are rising for everything and going to continue to rise we better off being proactive instead of ending up in another equipment like we are now um I don't know if there's going to be a motion made today to vote on you guys are even going to have the option to vote for the police but I would highly recommend voting for it um our intern Chiefs a great resource for the police department as well as Community I personally have worked with him professionally and is an upstanding law enforcement officer that [34:35] Jordan: treats everyone with an unsurpassed amount of respect and dignity as a community we cannot afford to lose him but he deserves an aners to make a choice that is great for himself and his family um so just to kind of explain my budget to you guys um there's okay but we do have that data and uh the council had a chance to look through all of it you appreciate that that's greatly appreciate it um I will the council have any questions for Jordan I'd like to say thank you thank you for your time that you it's been a pleasure speaking with you and and hasing things so thank you we appreciate the work you wented and spending time to [35:20] Jim Michalski: do it it it shows your passion for this and it's greatly appreciate thank you good information for us to um before we go on to 6B I should have make a statement um in December we did fund our current Police Department so our current Police Department is funded and we don't have to make a motion to approve our department the motion if there is one would be for a contract with the county so just so everybody understands that the department is funded and you don't need a motion if no [36:07] Jim Michalski: motion comes forward tonight we keep our department as it is granted we have we funded it at a certain level which was one Chief and two officers um and if that how if that's how it goes then that's where we start from and uh up to the council to work through that process through the year and into the next year if if that's the case to grow it again um I just wanted to make sure everyone was clear on that that that's where our current status is so with that moving on to 6B City Moose Lake policing discussion I'll open it up for discussion from the [36:54] Douglas Juntunen: council I would say since we just we had a public hearing and then we brought an individual that brought information that was uh their uh perception of what is uh what they desire I think it'd be appropriate to have the city administrator go through these slides that are on here that bring up uh every every uh point of view I would like to see that since we didn't everyone can get um is that feeling to the council we should have consensus make sure we're leing head that [37:40] Kris Huso: way Chris good reviewing the data from the public he see the administrator sure [37:40] Ellissa Owens: so the preliminary budget process was we we engaged in that in September of 2023 uh there were some operational changes that occurred uh for example there was a change in Union um and and that contributed to a a very significant increase in health insurance cost for the city so with that um there was a 28% increase from the 2023 budget to the preliminary 2024 Police Department budget um that is what initiated this assessment process and due diligence by the city council um the preliminary budget that number that came forward in 2024 was $894,000 [38:57] Ellissa Owens: um the most fiscally efficient and effective way to provide law enforcement services to the community the 2024 city property tax levy is 1,306 at 87% um theary figure again was at $894,000 [39:29] Ellissa Owens: departments uh the council looked at three different Staffing options in order to uh decrease the budget from the preliminary figure option three was selected that is with a police chief two full-time officers a part-time administrative assistant and that option was funded at $687,500 $50 the police department is still the highest funded Department in the general so Council has prioritized law enforcement and Public Safety [40:10] Ellissa Owens: the service model that is currently funded in the 2024 budget again includes the police chief two full-time officers and a part-time Administrative Assistant um the operating budget comes in at $567,500 plus our duty disability health insurance budget of $120,000 leaving the rough operating cost at 86878 there are other costs associated with the Department that are not in the budget those have been assessed and analyzed um there's about $62,000 in miscellaneous expenditures related to Staffing legal costs of 22,000 per year [40:56] Ellissa Owens: that's a three-year average workers comp premium increase that includes the experience modification factor of $67,400 per year based on our current claims and then there are revenues that were considered in the assessment process as as well so with the police state aid it's about $446,500 of revenues that were then deducted off the amount leaving the total operating assessment cost of the Moose Lake Police Department for one police chief two full-time officers and a part-time admin assistant at $792,000 this would provide us about a Monday through Friday 8 Hour coverage [41:43] Ellissa Owens: leaving four hours open on Monday through Friday and then weekend hours open as well open shifts on the weekends now that could be changed we could modify and do um 8 hour shifts that Flex throughout the week so so it wouldn't always be the same days open but essentially daytime shifts we would have 5 8 hour shifts between the course of Saturday to Sunday with that model then we would have two nighttime officers rotating in 12-hour shifts hypothetically this gives you full coverage over your nighttime shifts what is not Incorporated in this uh service model breakdown is um the need for uh open shifts due to paid leave sick leave vacations things of that [42:30] Ellissa Owens: nature throughout this process the city council requested a proposal from the Carlton County Sheriff's Office the Carlton County Sheriff's office has provided uh the city council with a subcontracting proposal for four deputies and a part-time clal the contract the subcontracting proposal for the four dedicated deputies came in at $631,000 throughout the course of um dialogue and engagement in the contract process a couple of um credit items has been established a credit of 25,000 for police state aid a credit for $4,500 for the phone fiber and copier services and a onetime $57,000 credit [43:16] Ellissa Owens: for the vehicles and Equipment transfer between the police department and the Carlton County Sheriff's office there are a lot of other items that don't have monetary associated with them but I've been discussed these items that are um essentially services that the Carlton County Sheriff's office has to provide uh that are not monetized within the within the proposal those coverage pieces are um training costs of for fto overtime ship differential evidence room management investigations Court related overtime time supervision and a city council leis on the Carlton County Sheriff's Office [44:02] Ellissa Owens: proposal uh amount in full is $544,500 the city does have the duty disability health insurance obligation that is steady regardless of what option is selected by council tonight if you add that $120,000 back in the cost of operating law enforcement Services is 66 4,720 for the city of Mo Lake there's a mock schedule provided in the presentation it does show that there's 12 hours of coverage uh for all day time shifts and all night time shifts now that comes with a disclaimer there will be open shifts in occurrence with paid leave sick leave Andor vacations if the council engages in a [44:50] Ellissa Owens: subcontracting proposal this propal proposal does not include overtime for um to to cover those open ships There's a summary within the presentation that was presented at the public hearing again it just itemizes both options that the council has been reviewing the city of mus Lake uh could um elect to operate the mus Lake Police Department for three full-time officers and a part-time admin that option is uh the cost of that option is $73,700 the Carlton County Sheriff's office has provided a a proposal for four deputies and a part-time clerical that proposal amount is [45:36] Ellissa Owens: $544,900 with our health insurance Duty disability obligation the cost to the um city for that law enforcement policing option is 6647 120 that concludes the presentation that was provided um in summary uh at the public meeting just one more item I I will point up that during the conversations at the public hearing um those that were present and and uh spoke either for or against there [46:21] Jim Michalski: was 15 residents spoke for our our own City budgeted that we have currently budgeted and there were three that were for the county proposal just so that you know what the breakdown was of those present there were some people from the township that were present and others outside of our area but they did not come for and speak because we wanted that input from our residents so that was a breakdown of uh those who who chose to come and take the time to speak so with that again I will open it up for your [47:16] Kris Huso: discussion and comments yes Chris yes I can go first um as I'm sure everybody knows I've been very publicly speaking that I am in support of our own weight Police Department um from all the people that have um come forward to me um that I spoke to and of the community members um it's all been very much in support of our own Department um I did receive an email and like I said I I was out the had the public hearing unfortunately um and there are apparently three that spoke against it but um I believe that um the city has very much spoke that they want their own Police Department [48:16] Jim Michalski: um I'll ask I think i' asked I'll ask the third time if they I didn't state it I guess is clear if there is any motion um other than what we have already approved in a budget I believe there has to be and I will make that motion and I was asked for during the discussion to explain myself if I may sure [48:16] Douglas Juntunen: uh I'll make the following motion that the city enter into subcontracting law enforcement Services directing the City attorney to draft a law enforcement service contract any consultation with the city staff unfortunately these actions would have would make the city Poli depart okay so your your motion is to for a contract for contract clear very clear stated do I have a second I'll second that [49:01] Walter Lower III: so open it up for discussion I me since I made the motion here's why there's been a lot of discussion uh I've had exact opposite experience uh as councelor us so I've had uh numerous members law enforcement members former mus law enforcement members and we've heard some that have the exact opposite the comments that have been made to me is unfortunately if you're looking at this financially and if you're looking at this from a law enforcement uh standpoint of protection [49:48] Douglas Juntunen: for the citizens every single person has said this is a not bringer if you're looking at this financially and the 173 shifts that are extra in the county it's very hard to make that up uh looking at those 173 shifts that is not in the budget that's uh been approved and that's going to come in at a cost of around $100,000 to fill those shifts if those shifts are filled uh the county and what those 17 uh three shifts would look like if you if that person worked every single day shift you would go to the mus Lake Police Department from January 1st to June 22nd and you would not have anyone any law enforcement person answering the door because we would not have that coverage under this this plan that's [50:33] Douglas Juntunen: been proposed and approved the cost has already been stated uh the county has their top three positions has over 70 years of law enforcement experience and over 30 some years upper level management experience we do not have any at this point we do have somebody that is stepped up big time in inter police CH Chad pson and I have a lot of respect for Chad uh the county has investigations we do not they have Three Investigators one full-time drug investigator we have zero we can talk about field training I'm know I was a field training officer from 2003 to 2019 the county has numerous fto we have one so if you're [51:19] Douglas Juntunen: going to try to get a police department back up to full staff you are looking at months to do that um there is no Squad in the budget the squad was taken out of the budget for 201 24 because we do not have money so you're looking at $40 to $80,000 for a squad plus what goes into the squad and I also want to say the final thing is that there's brought up about we can rebuild this we can U make this department back to what it was that is the whole problem with small communities like our own all the communities since 2018 I've reached out to every single one of them and I've talked to them and you could take their name out of the issues that they had and pluging lo Lakes it's the same we do not have the tax base to keep doing what we're doing unfortunately that has nothing that it's not negative towards any of the law enforcement Personnel that have Dawn the badge I greatly respect each and everyone but every single one of them that I've talked to said that it has been a really good fit and they're glad [52:39] Douglas Juntunen: that they made that change I I I did not make this motion lightly I it is a very difficult thing and all of us have done our due diligence but the numbers are there that support it and the protection from the citizens is 173 chefs different so that is why I made a motion thank you any other statements before I ask for a vote [53:25] Walter Lower III: yeah well you've heard what I've said over the last number of meetings one was that I was elected to be phys physically responsible with the taxpayer citizens funds and if I was to choose the most like Police Department I would be spend more costs for Less coverage would still lead us to be open to liability and du to duut to duty disability insurance claims I brought up other problems with our budget and other areas at the last meeting we have to look at the city as a whole I brought up our infrastructure problems with all the projects that we have to be done done that need to be done now that's going to take us around 250 years to do at what we do now and we'be simply kicking the can down the future generations to afford that would to those costs and that that would be [54:13] Walter Lower III: impossible we basically have another police force that no longer works for us that's on duty disability insurance that's a huge cost Carlton county has more resources like councelor Jan said you know raising taxes isn't really an option for me I can't see raising taxes to cover this on all the older generations and say the widows in town that are all living off of fixed income during these times of high inflation I don't know if you you guys saw the inflation reports that came out yesterday but they were not good inflation is not going down that's the reason why the stock market tanked yesterday we only have a 29% tax Pace that would we would be forcing these tax raises on it's a very difficult situation everybody here at this table has looked at [55:21] Walter Lower III: this and everybody at this table respects our police force but unfortunately I see it as no longer affordable to the taxpayers and reluctantly I would support going with Carlton County that's what I have to say any comments for any other counselors yes sir [55:46] Lou Ohly: I have nothing against us having in our own other than the fact that other well probably more than one the major one is that we can't afford it and other than that I looked at all of somewhat of all the same thing that you've looked at and I believe we can cover all all of the things that a local police department can cover along having the county cover it also and having them here 6 months to a year [56:33] Lou Ohly: later the officers that will be here will feel people will feel towards them the same way that they felt for the people that were working here before because they will be part of the community I mean how long ago I didn't even know who that was I didn't know who the off officers of before I mean as far as I growing up I only remember Franks and Kowski a gentleman and lived up on a hill and he didn't even have a uniform for quite he told you to get your ass home and you went home because you sure didn't want your parents to find out so I mean times change and times have to change and and this city can't afford to have its own police but that's my thought that's all Chris [57:22] Kris Huso: yes um I just wonder as the years go how what about the increase in Carlton County's contract how are we going to handle that we we're going to have no control over that Commissioners are going to change um you know the contract is obviously going to go up and up and up so what are we going to do then so are costs so are the costs for here right and I I get you're passionate and and I'm not trying to be any anything other than respectful but I I believe I believe in the leadership that the county has I believe that the leadership that's coming up after Sheriff Lake I believe in that leadership as well I believe that there'll be fair to the city of Loose Lake and I I believe it will be a good fit Chris you have any more to add before I speak um you know in analyzing this over the past six months maybe the longer I've looked at it this from both directions and right now the the two proposals are within 100,000 they're not much difference really other than we [58:54] Jim Michalski: would have three in the contract would have four now we've already passed the budget for this department so this year is covered granted we could go either way but our department is covered we only have one officer um and I know training for the county would take just as long to train new officers as we would to to fulfill that um that's my belief and I understand um your belief um also I see an opportunity that funding the department next year very easy we do have over 100,000 in safety monies right now um that isn't spent we also are looking in in uh August to apply for the monies from the state to reimburse us for the money that we spent on the individual that have gone out on Medicals so we we're gaining back quite a few if if it is as much as they say We'll already have a couple hundred, for next year's Budget on the department without even going into the the budget farther um also we are not going to spend as much as we budgeted but in fact we only have one officer until we hire and train more we will be adding more money into that that we use [1:00:25] Jim Michalski: for next year's next year's uh budget being said we can easily budget next year's Department right now um climbing ahead and that's not even looking at the cop grants that people keep throwing at us to go out and look for and get um but I mentioned it last time you got to be careful with grants that you apply for there great if they're if they're uh fund you in a continuous fashion but if they're one two or three years are great you you get the money you hire somebody you train them and then the funding ends one two or three years later all of a sudden you're back to right where you were you have to come up with aund and some thousand for an officer so grants are great we go after them all the time I think in the last five six years we've gotten more grants than we had in the past probably 40 years and we're going to continue in that fashioning a lot of Grants are 50/50 match it's great to get a road Grant that's for a million and a half but you got to come up with a million and a half to match that um so there's a lot of things with grants you have to really be critical thinking when you go into it and I know that Administration has done a great job with that and that's [1:01:57] Jim Michalski: appreciated and uh you you counselors have supported those grants um and we'll continue with that but that being said I don't see where we need to rush in and make a decision this year we're already funded next year we're going to have enough to fund it again with what we already have in in uh savings and also for coming in in in uh August to me it it if you rush in too quick on a decision on an Department you can't turn it around you go to another you go to a contract and all the equipment and the vehicles and everything has been sold or donated however that's going to happen you're going to need half a million or more to start up again and I would say don't rush into it you have time you've got this whole year there's nothing saying you can't ask this next year if the budget or inflation eats all up what we do have um I would just say I would keep status quo and keep our own Department that we have that is my opinion and looking at all the different options in the budget and what money is there and [1:03:29] Jim Michalski: possibilities granted we will have open shifts when I came on board as a mayor in in about 2005 we were at that level we had a chief and two officers it may have been a chief and one officer can't quite remember the years kind of slipped by uh but we did just fine granted the county has to back us up and we will back up the county when needed the county was here back then when it was necessary that's not going to change all of you are taxpayers in the same county that'll always exist puts the pressure on Kelly unfortunately I'm sorry that statement but that is a true statement through the years it wasn't until I'm thinking maybe about eight seven eight years ago that we ventured into four full-time officers and the chief up until then we were not staffed at that level we took a chance we uh looked at uh different options and decided to try that the budget could have support it we still had open ships that didn't change anything um so just thoughts of thinking because I'm I'm going to ask for a vote here in a second so with that I will and is there [1:05:03] Jim Michalski: any other statements from the council before I ask that vote before I do I would to appreciate all of you for spending time I know hours and uh weeks months has been looking at this issue from every angle talking to people getting input you guys did your due diligence no matter how it goes you guys did a great job as a council and that's appreciated same with the administration so with that um I will ask for a vote we have a motion in a second all in favor say I I I we have three eyes those against say no no and my vote is no the motion carried um direction from our attorney was that there were certain things that we needed to address we have a chief of police who is sitting there in limbo right now we need to make a motion to to dissolve our department or do we wait till a negotiations are completed I'm guessing we should wait but that puts our our to me he has the option to do it everything he wants uh yes the attorneys [1:06:37] Ellissa Owens: have provided council with uh the proper steps and and the motion that needed to be made in order to subcontract at this point in time the city will engage in um contract negotiations with Carlton County and um with that they'll also be um independent processes um relevant to um a separation agreement with inter Chief pson okay um there's a lot of questions that come forward of this which I haven't heard yet and maybe they'll come up with we start negotiations what our coverage will be the CH could leave tomorrow if he chose to there's nothing holding him here who is who's going to to cover is [1:07:24] Jim Michalski: County going to cover it only when there is normal circumstances that cause you to come down here so we're going to go through an interim phase where um we're going to have le less coverage than we have ever had I don't know how long it will take to get those employees or or trained up um if we want to look at a longer term contract with our own Chief yes well we are you're funded until I'm not going anywhere immediately but obviously I'm going start looking so I'll be here as long as I can that's greatly appreciated thank you you've done a great job and it's greatly appreciated and I for one I'm sorry it [1:08:11] Jim Michalski: turned out this way but when you do a vote I I follow the vote and then it's your responsibility of the whole Council to work together to make it the best option that it possibly can be I totally understand so thank you um those who wish to leave you definitely can at this time um before we move on with the with the rest agenda I'll do a five minute recess so people can move around and leave may may I just say one thing yes you may absolutely thank you um I just wanted to [1:08:56] Kelly Lake: um address the council and and the people of Musik and the citizens here I know this was a very difficult very heart-wrenching decision that has been made and there's been a lot of U conversation a lot of discussions a lot of thought that has gone into this um and I I realize there will be a transition I I absolutely um you know I I said it at the public meeting I think communities you know if they can Will would deserve their own full-time fully staffed Police Department unfortunately I obviously that is not where you're at uh with the budget um and having said that u based off of this vote tonight I just want to assure the council and citizens of mus Lake that um as your Sheriff I promise that we will do everything we can to provide the best service that we can to the citizens and mostl it is going to be a transition because I cannot hire four people by tomorrow and have them trained up um but I fully intend to work with Chad patteron as you know as long as AB he's going to be here and you know we will we will work this out and we'll work through that and ensure that the public safety is a top priority for the citizens of mus Lake now of course I cannot dedicate somebody here by tomorrow four people um but uh you know with me today I have my chief Deputy Dan danderson as well as our Patrol Lieutenant Doug R and we um of course will get to work on this uh we currently have a a posting open for hiring um so that doesn't close till this end of this week but we've already um been working on some some other pieces if this was the direction it was going to go and we just want to make sure that we will um assure people that we will provide the best service that we can and certainly if there's any questions cuz I know there may be questions questions on behalf of the counselor or or any citizens that are out there um to call me at the sheriff's office if there are questions about uh how this is going and what's going on just watch St but we have a very highly trained officer that may apply and and having said that I did encourage I did encourage him to apply I cannot make him apply but I did encourage him to apply thank you very much and I appreciate your statements here tonight I hope that puts a lot of the citizens at ease and counselors and uh we appreciate that look forward to working with you we going I guess be busy for a while yes than thank you sure thank [Music] you all right with that we'll do a five minute recess [1:11:51] Jim Michalski: start than [1:12:03] Jim Michalski: hope you feel better Chris good [Music] luck all right moving on with the J we're back to uh 6C residential development concept design discussion administrator yes so the um City Administration and um mayor Shaw councelor jman and the city engineers and uh the developer have all been working in collaboration and meeting with one another regarding the residential development and so what you'll see in your packet are two concepts concept A and concept B regarding um a design option for the [1:13:06] Ellissa Owens: residential development now throughout the course of these meetings um it has been established that um concept B is preferred by the engineers um by City staff and the developer um everybody is on the same page that constant uh B allows for um development uh a little bit sooner with access to Moose horn dry and eliminates the need for a whole another roads worth of infrastructure as in um concept A with the um the houses facing inward towards the development and then there would be the need for um a whole another road in front versus utilizing the [1:13:53] Ellissa Owens: existing moose Horn Drive in order to um access those lots for for building multif family homes so throughout the work that's been done concept B is the preferred concept however I wanted Council to see both concept A and B in case any additional questions or discussion was um was desired and so relevant to concept B and the work that has occurred at the at the um the smaller uh meeting level um in the packet there are a couple of different estimates now what these estimates are are um different variation of utility and Road designs so for example um they're all relevant to concept B one is [1:14:40] Ellissa Owens: for a rural um design and then the other two are for um Urban Design that include storm sewer curving gutter and sidewalks and so at the very bottom where it says assumptions underneath the estimates that first line is going to tell you which one you're looking at so there's a 24 ft Urban a 30ft wide roadway Urban and then the rural 24 ft wide so wanted to give um Council visibility to to the different design options um so what will happen after council's discussion this evening um will be whatever the preferred approach is [1:15:28] Ellissa Owens: whether it be Road withth and or additional infrastructures that information will be sent back to the engineers they will then take these estimates and what they're going to do is they're going to um provide unit and quantity information to the developer the developer will take that information based on the desired concept and design and then um go out for and look at estimations and bids um in the contractor world to see if the project pencils for the developer so this is going to be utilized as a tool moving forward um for additional planning there are a couple of different components here that have been discussed [1:16:15] Ellissa Owens: um we did discuss with the city engineers and with um staff uh superintendent etner Weeden with his expertise as far as U are concerned um the the desire to um initiate this process with sidewalks um curve and gutter and storm sewer um some of those metrics build in longevity as far as um the roadways and uh Integrity Integrity of the road is concerned and so we we've had those discussions but want to open up dialogue to the whole Group Forum um obviously this this project has to happen so um um what we want to we want to be as smart as we possibly can be an intentional with our design selections [1:17:01] Ellissa Owens: as well um and so those are the things that we're working on in the engineering level um and so with that I guess um superintendent edner do you have any pieces of dialogue to contribute regarding your thoughts on um Road width and or some of the infrastructure and um design segments so just a couple for example um we look at these whs US 24 and 28 and 30 and whatever to put the perspective four street is 28 ft talbet Drive Kenwood Drive John BR Drive is 24t just so you're aware I mean you look at the numbers the numbers change drastically for for the and it's a big [1:17:48] Phil Entner: deal I guess at the end of the day this project needs to go this needs to happen is far from a utility standpoint I don't everything is included in there um I would love to see as wide a street as we possibly can put in there with better I think it would be wonderful um does it work financially I don't know maintenance maintenance so it's you're it's kind of a horse piece Greg you're you're either going to have black top and concrete or you're going to have black up and gravel for class by shoulder it's it's not necessarily we have a mixture of it across throughout the entire city one way or the other is [1:18:34] Phil Entner: it's it's really six to one half do than the other um you're going to have less maintenance with with u curb and gutter for sure I will say that clean up winter clean up in Winter M yeah all those things we've already discussed and thought about we have both scenarios currently in town that we deal with so it's not like if we go to one of these options it's going to be a whole new changeing operations for us so question was there I know we talked L like can it be like 26 28 ft um absolutely 26 ft cuz we got 24 on one end and 30 on the [1:19:21] Phil Entner: other and it could be a 28 Urban or a 28 um rural rural correct there's a lot of options out there so besides just so the council knows besides what's here you could go give him a direction say a little wider than the 24 cuz they are wide or they are narrow on John Brown and on tet they are very narrow um two cars meeting you couldn't have a pedestrian on or a bike it is really tight without a sidewalk correct or this does include income to sidewalk all three options include a sidewalk they're in this cost [1:20:08] Jim Michalski: estimate so the rural concept which is the most economical correct correct sidewalk is on the north side one side correct that has been that's been yet to be determined there but there would be sidewalk included on one side yes just one side okay so to me a rural it wouldn't have the drain another curb and gutter in other words correct it'd be open ditch open ditch but it would have a sidewalk beyond that ditch correct so that's that's out there too it could be right next to the black top or it could be on the back side of [1:20:53] Jim Michalski: the ditch okay yep that's that's but that would include the sidewalk I'm sorry it would include the sidewalk and then the the cost of the drainage I'm taking because that's ditch really cuts down the price correct because of a lack of concrete cbon gutter is that that consumes a lot of concrete and you would have to use uh sewer I mean uh storm storm drain system correct and that brings the cost up almost looks like 800,000 almost a million doll yeah Mr Mayor as I'm looking at this I don't see it says a four four uh inch concrete sidewalk but there's no unit in there there's no price in there for that [1:21:38] Douglas Juntunen: um just say unit price $7 and there's no amount so there is no sidewalk I don't think in the good call I gu I there is one in the rural plan so I just noticed that because in our meeting that we had the engineers said that there it it wouldn't work because you have the culbert's there so there would not be a sidewalk in that plan in the L plan but they have done them with a in I mean it is feasible to do them but it's not in this price correct that is correct I was mistaken yes no I I know we discussed another option and that was I don't know it was I was told it was possible a rural one side where you [1:22:24] Jim Michalski: have the ditch on the opposite side you could have gutter I mean uh you know sidewalk and the concrete um Gunter I guess you call it so you could do a variable sure so you'd have the curb Gutter and sidewalk on one side and a rur on the other sure thank you for for bringing that forward mayor shot I I do want to reiterate it's not selecting one of these these are just examples we couldn't possibly give you estimates for all the different variations it's just what does council want to see if we for sure want to see sidewalk um and and [1:23:10] Ellissa Owens: Council wants to direct staff to make sure that sidewalks included but wants a rural design and and doesn't want to prioritize curbing gutter or 26 28 we can do any variation of of of what council would like to see it's essentially just giving us direction to then move to the next phase of the pricing bidding yes sir this is design is not necessarily going to have to have incorporation for playground and stuff like that right you're you're this is basically for residential I don't think there's a playground in that well there's no place in this [1:23:58] Lou Ohly: so there is the school just that's what I mean AC the so I would I would look at my thought would be towards right now would be the the sidewalk and then thinking ahead of what are you going to do later for the other properties with the school talk your yourself your direction is toward that three million somewhat of an urban because for you know I mean what are you going to do with the other property alongside of it that goes towards the school you going to you want to follow through with the same development ideas that you start with the first so whatever we select a night [1:24:46] Lou Ohly: we're kind of pushing that towards the future development too in the same because they will be one in essence one Community there time is of the essence but there's you know one type of conversation that superintendent Ed and I have had is you know if going moving forward and and planning for curban Gutter and and sidewalk and and the urban option and selecting whatever road with um is per by Council and then just seeing where we end up I think the developer has communicated that you know ideally he would like to see those metrics in place as well it it adds value to the lots and and to the development itself um it has to pencil so um you know we we can start with a a threshold and and push and push and push as hard as we can and see what we can come up with time is of the essence [1:25:48] Ellissa Owens: though so we don't want to we don't want to double around um too many times but that's absolutely an option maybe they'll ask us this way because of that um can maybe said one of the parameter and that is to get consensus do we want sidewalk let's not talk about anything else do we want sidewalks I would like to see side at least on one side one side yeah one side one side okay so we're looking at an option so the rural is out so that brings us to the other two options 24 in Road or 30in road now you can select you could do a 26t or [1:26:33] Jim Michalski: 28t you know you don't have to go 24 you don't have to go 30 you don't have to go the largest so you know that it's going to be somewhere in those two cost Realms yeah I think there was a recommendation of if we want with a sidewalk uh 24 would be out I I thought possibly I'm not sure but I would like to see us look at a 26 26 or something that as long as it works for snow removal I think that we could also do signage per snow removal and vehicle not allowed to park park on the street during they do it in CL all the time um we can get by with the smaller roadway but I don't think 24 is going to put cut it I'm going to throw something in there too but in our our strategic plan that I'm sure [1:27:21] Jim Michalski: everybody looks at that uh we talked about as we do developments that we look at room for bicycles within our road system because we did sidewalks down here we didn't even look at on that four street but with 26 24t and jumping to 26 would there be enough for parking in you know small bik L that would be a question for engineers um 26 you okay Walt I'm all right take some more so I guess maybe [1:28:09] Jim Michalski: that's the next question uh the width I know you would like it as wide as possible which makes sense y parking um is hard on on uh four Street if there is any at all it looks like one side only so I guess I'll ask out of the council let's talk about now you mentioned 26 26 to 28 I'm fine with I just think 30 is going to be stretching if we keep stretching and stret we're not going to have a developer and we want to be breaking ground by Jun June 1st yeah 83 26 or 28 ideally would be 28 you get 26 is [1:28:56] Walter Lower III: good Walter I think 24 is a little little narrow I'd like to see it around 26 28 myself okay so how does that help us 27 well so um maybe I can ask the um Engineers to include a column for quantity based on 26 and 28 so to give the developer both so then the developer can go get bids on the design for 26 and 28 that' be great okay um Common Sense tells me the developer is going to go for 26 because that's it's his money he's putting forward as long as Phil can do snow [1:29:43] Phil Entner: removal with with that I me you know we should 26 so like I said earlier we have 24t wide streets in town we do just fine I'm fine with 26 if we all have consensus it makes it so much easier for the developer and for engine okay Greg you're good 26 Welter 26 all right 26 it is thank you so we're done with that correct I don't know um just to to verify everybody is okay with Concept B yes yes okay yes to okay thank you very good thank you very much thanks Phil good job with us on 6D reone request Northland law [1:30:32] Jim Michalski: Sport and equipment 21-10 d2900 and 21- 010- 2880 also 21-1 0- 2860 and the last slot is 21- 010- 2560 this would be to kind of finalize what has been going on in those lots for the past 60 years yes sir I have a question on that what happened to all the tax you lost on that so um as far as [1:31:17] Lou Ohly: how he's been using all that as commercial property here know and residential property you know the what has gone on the past by past councils we can't you have to look at who was on the time he required never mind this goes back so far I wouldn't even know what year was it could be in the60s it was after the Lial left yeah so any other discussion by the council I thought maybe you get some more money he if they put buildings on it that probably will be it was approved by [1:32:04] Jim Michalski: the Planning Commission I I would make a motion to move forward with the um recommendation of the Planning Commission thank you do I have a second second any other discussion all in favor say I I oppos say no motion carried moving on to 6E Northland Securities Public Utilities rate study Professional Services agreement oh yes so um the council approved ordinance number 171 this evening that essentially is setting the stage for the continued work with um um establishing sewer fund rates and or a sewer service charge in addition to that we um Council had um requested that the [1:32:52] Ellissa Owens: city administrative staff engage in a a uh utility rate study so uh we've done so with uh Northern Securities they actually did the water rate study about 5 years ago uh maybe six now and so with that we were able to engage they have a lot of our documentation um they've agreed to um conduct a water and sewer rate study the price was significantly less than we had anticipated so it came in at at 9,8 $80 um I provided a calendar or schedule of um activities moving forward we've already engaged in the data collection and review process with them so they had provided uh superintendent etner and I a list of all all the type of financial [1:33:38] Ellissa Owens: documents that are are needed um to conduct the rate study and so we've already done the information transfer um and so we'll keep Council engaged I know the council had approved up to I believe it was $30,000 to engag in the rate study process um for um just um I guess a a technical from a technical standpoint I do have the services agreement in here that the uh Council can officially um pass and they did do a good job for us the last time they they did the study I was appreciative of their willingness to engage with the the water fund again as well they had done it recently but inflation has just Absol absolutely made it so a lot of those recommendations are [1:34:24] Ellissa Owens: no longer relevant um so I was excited that they're willing to engage um in the process with both of our funds and and looking forward to having good information to share back with Council the tenative timeline for completion is um June city council meeting as of right now they're planning to engage in June and and present the findings of the rate study right so uh Council questions uh discussion or motion I'll make the motion to engage with u Mark Securities for professional rate study for 9,880 do I have a second second all in favor say I nice oppos motion [1:35:11] Jim Michalski: carried 6 F general fund checking account discussion Lissa Ryan uh yes so you'll see a communication I received from First National Bank they actually came in talk with me as well um they recommend instead of recommendation that we switch general fund checking account numbers to a whole new account number due to that Forge check that we had several months back um yeah it just it creates an astronomical amount of work I believe to do do that um and there's no guarantee that someone just won't intercept a check again and do the same thing um but [1:35:58] Ryan McKeon: I completely understand where they're coming from and why they have to recommend that we thought it'd be best to bring it forward to you find folks and see what your thoughts are on it Council it says in the letter that if we do not take the recommendation they are washing their hands all future viability doesn't not they could do that yes yes I don't think that we really have an option yeah I think it's a smart thing to do anyone else discussion or a motion motion to change the account number we have a second second all in favor say I I [1:36:44] Jim Michalski: oppose motion carried sounds good we'll let you know how that progress is thank you y I should ask is there a cost uh no cost they said they'd help with the transition I don't know okay to how far that goes they're help with it but um it'll be a lot of work moving on to 6G coming Sales and Service generator maintenance agreement yes starting uh in on your in your packet starting on page 13 there is a plan equipment maintenance agreement with for the main the main L station generator this is something we've done in the past it's just time to [1:37:30] Phil Entner: renew um that's it this something we have to do y this is I would highly recommend you you do not have to do this no but I would highly recommend doing yes open it up for questions and discussion by the council or motion or train Phill in gener ENT this do we have a second second all in favor say I I oppos motion carried thank you Phil moving on to six I short OT [1:38:16] Jim Michalski: Hendrickson SE 2023 sewer lining fee Amendment request um can we do H did I skip H do that okay all right 2023 sewer lining project inst Technologies USA LLC pay application number one yes so um in the in the agenda you have the first pay application for the 2023 Ling project the amount due for this application is $1,573 199 um there were some monies withheld the city is currently engaging in in dialogue with the engineers and the [1:39:02] Ellissa Owens: contractor regarding some um some of the processes and and and project components and so we'll continue to do that um essentially we're just and the engineers are are making sure that the city's absolutely getting their money's worth for all the different dynamics that happen within a project so doing our due diligence in the background will provide more information um but this particular pay app is a partial and the amount due is $1,573 99 open it up for discussion by the council and and uh just a statement so that they you're satisfied with the job they did I am satisfied with you guys approving this pay off yes thank you Council motion to approve you have a [1:39:49] Jim Michalski: second second all in favor say I I oppose motion carried okay now we're into six I short Elli Hendrickson SE 2022 sewer lining fee Amendment request uh yes so um just as a reminder um we initially the 2023 Ling project we were going to do a different segment of town um we had engaged in all all of the processes that happened with the lining project and it came back that um that project was over budget and that we could not continue with that project so we went back to the engineers superintendent etner generated a secondary project and so um we circled [1:40:37] Ellissa Owens: back and and now we're getting to the point where um we have utilized all of the funds related to our 2023 project and and exceeded them essentially and so this modification through the engineers is for uh contract Amendment for $3,550 one thing that superintendent etner and I um discussed and and wasn't thrilled to receive one of these although we did have to um engage in essentially the planning of two projects so one thing that superintendent p and I have have discussed is we essentially have another project plan and and prepped and so we we've had dialogue as far as how do we make sure that we get these bids ripping out faster and that our our uh we go out for bid earlier in the year and we're not squeezing projects in at the at the last minute and a lot of that comes with preparation and planning and so we do have another project just kind of waiting in the wings with the engineers um and so the the next conversation would be once we elect to to do a project of of that scale um making sure that all that we [1:41:54] Ellissa Owens: don't pay for that work a second time and so that that's things we being um processor being mindful of in the background as well just a quick question was it for 24530 the original contract um the original contract but for services between short Elliot H Hendrickson and the city on the project was $228,100 there's additional work that's been outlined and so this is on page 141 so the additional money is for the $3,550 bringing up their fee to $331,700 another thing that I believe is contributing to this is is we are we are fighting a little bit with the contractor on some of the um metrics of the project and and making sure that we're not paying uh for those as well but really they designed us to projects [1:43:02] Jim Michalski: and when the first one was presented to council it was more expensive than we wanted than we had F funds for so we chose to do that I mean they they did the work I get it and we're loaded in shoot we ready to go with another project whenever we can come up with funding and we are holding back um until we're satisfied step yes there there's retaining left yes Council I agree it's extra work that they did they already have another project they that they've done the work for for us so I'll make a motion that we pay them $ do I have a second second all in favor say I oppose motion carried okay moving on to 6j North Star media Incorporated new slate starters at [1:43:49] Jim Michalski: invoice oh yes I I I wanted to include this invoice in the packet and and have just a tiny bit of dialogue about it so um you know there's there's been questions that have come forward to council as far as what kind of items are um within the the the general city uh government budget and the city Administration budget and and um those budgets incorporate all the services that we need to function in so um the publishing of ordinances is is a cost to the city we have a requirement to publish uh publishing of the two ordinance that were adopted today is $2,453 I just wanted to provide visibility to um these are the the types of um budgetary items that are included in [1:44:36] Ellissa Owens: those budgets and um the monies are are are part of operation and function City function are you looking for any action I don't need it um um I can approve this this invoice I simply wanted to provide this information got it questions by the council hearing now okay thank you moving on to 6K Minnesota State Lottery contract annual renewal this is an annual uh contract for us for um the state lottery activities um it's the retailer renewal application we've approved it um year-over year this is essentially [1:45:21] Ellissa Owens: 2024's annual contract so open to the council questions want you to approve the annual Ral contract with statey all in favor say I I oppose motion carried under 6L Li of Minnesota City's liability coverage waiv form um this is part of our insurance renewal process again you may remember this from from years prior um the city has elected that um the city does not wave the monetary limits on Municipal tort liability established by Minnesota statute 46604 um has happened year-over [1:46:14] Ellissa Owens: year and this is um essentially looking for approval of the liability cover w w reform so we can complete our insurance renewal Council we AB need to sure do this so I'll make that motion do I have a second second all in favor say I oppose motion carried 6 a.m Water and Light commission compensation discussion oh yes so at the most recent Water and Light uh Commission meeting um it was brought forward that there had not been a wage increase in a significant period of time for the Commissioners um the last increase so I I asked um the office manager Dan Brown to do a little digging and and provide some information that's in your packet um the payroll system Bion currently goes back to 2015 um and he could confirm that there has not been a compensation increase in [1:47:20] Ellissa Owens: that time frame So within the past nine years um they did Water and Light staff did go through payroll folders back as far as 2008 and um the same outcome was was found um so more than likely it's been over 16 years since there's a pay increase the current pay is $150 a month for um each commissioner and 250 for the president the proposed amount is $300 a month per commissioner and 500 per for the president this is something that the city council would have to approve in order for it to be adopted so open up for discussion how many meetings there do you think you're having a a I did take [1:48:07] Jim Michalski: on the president role this year and I would say I'm in there at least twice a week of that role you're you're signing documents in that position U the means have gone from 1 hour to 2 and 1 half hours regularly it's just the the amount of things that have have happened and the discussion that we had it was more so about there hasn't been any changes it was time to clean up the language and U that that's why it's being brought forth here it's been a long time it's it's been longer than 2008 from my understanding so it could have been in the last 20 years been change okay do you know that's why I [1:48:56] Jim Michalski: kind of propose the change we did here but I I got rid of the number of meetings so you don't have to keep track that's why I jumped it up for you guys at a certain level yeah and to me I didn't know anything about an additional meeting compensation to me it would just be I just think it makes sense just to go with the the proposed without the additional meetings but that's just me this is what's being brought forth and I we discussed it I didn't know anything about the additional meeting you know we were we were keeping the the commission and the council at a similar pay um I know years is at 550 I believe [1:49:41] Jim Michalski: counselors I suggested 650 for the mayor would you guys change that but do you want to do something like that that I think that would be fine too uh I don't think it'd be appropriate for me to to vote on that per se but I I would I would I would think that would be fine I think it's very confusing for staff to constantly be saying well how many meetings do we have I think that's we have to keep track of them you have to document them then you're supposed to come in and fill out paperwork um date time and so forth and uh that's kind of why I threw that meetings out because you guys were not doing it and it should be done if you want to keep people volunteering it's let's say [1:50:28] Jim Michalski: you're running for the office and instead of spending hours and hours at meetings another reading and you know the drill yeah um Greg you were in that position also where you at we we didn't get anything I know but what do you what do you recommend um also interested to hear I would um I would just say so much a month and if you have something special there's an addition I mean if you like water and might have your so-called you go to the state you could go to your thing once a year MH okay [1:51:14] Lou Ohly: that's okay you get PRM for that you get PR DM but it's okay so you get so much for for for DM so much for your time so do we have to okay that or can they okay that that that I think is controlled over there I think what we're doing is just they're meeting monthly meeting and additional meetings if we so choose to the travel and other stuff that's that's in the commission's hand I don't think that would be a good compromise Mr Mayor by just doing what you're saying is just maybe blend blend that into just one just so it's so people don't have to look at it and [1:51:59] Douglas Juntunen: constantly wonder it well what exactly are you proposing that you do kind of like what we've done here um s a dollar it's they're recommending to going to 300 month plus additional meetings I think it's if you throw out that idea meetings said set a number set it at um kind of like we did 550 I recommended 650 for the for myself but you guys s to put it at 850 I think and uh so you're saying $300 a month and take off the not have the $100 [1:52:48] Jim Michalski: additional meeting but SE said it higher than 300 then because then we're not getting paid for come yeah you could you could split it you do 350 if that's what you wanted to or 550 or whatever you think I don't see a lot of extra meetings if you do two meetings extra meetings a month that's 500 how great you already have 500 yeah that's what I'm saying get ready the additional meetings on there and just just change it to 350 and 550 and be done with it and and uh I think there's just a lot more work for the [1:53:35] Lou Ohly: president and I think that would be justly compensated I'm thinking for the time that they're putting into it especially the president who can come in literally every day of the week and when it's necessary I'm thinking I'm thinking 600 and 500 600 the present 600 for the present 500 for the Commissioners you're not you're not keeping track of any of the meetings every meetings there are this is what you're [1:54:18] Douglas Juntunen: paid right I I have no idea how much time you're putting in anymore we put we put in a lot of time because we did a lot of extra stuff but we ran around the country because of the soall uh the internet thing we went to different town meetings and everything s yeah and then you understand how many how many different times they go in and stuff so I mean you could you could say 600 and 400 or whatever you just pick a number that's what I did yeah that's what I mean yeah I would say the six and four would be six and four six and four would probably be more I I don't as a commissioner I did not have the responsibility sitting in the coring [1:55:04] Jim Michalski: seat that I do and I I've realized that there is a lot of work that goes into that so six and four that would be aom okay Walter before I ask for a motion yeah I'm fine with that so we have a motion I make a motion that that we uh proposal that we give the the president over there 600 and the commission over there 400 all right and and uh get rid of the additional meeting um we have a motion do we have a second second all in favor say I I [1:55:50] Jim Michalski: I oppose motion carried and you have abstained yes so that is recorded thank you thank you moving on to six sand election Jud compensation discussion administrator Deputy clerk uh hansbury is going to handle this [1:56:18] Taylor Hansberry: Council mayor and ministrator Owens it was brought to our attention that we are paying our election judges a way lower rate than the surrounding communities I reached out to four of the communities nearby I heard that from three of them Sturgeon Lake pays their election judges $14 an hour head judges 16 Willa river is at 15 for election judges and 18 for their head judges Barnum Township is 18 for election judges and the same for their head judges we are at $10 an hour and $10.50 for a head judge so we are um significantly lower communi so um I [1:57:05] Taylor Hansberry: would recommend an increase for election judge reimbursement wage to 16 an hour and then 18 an hour for our head judges could you repeat that again could uh $16 an hour for our election judges and then $18 an hour for our head judges which is kind of right there in the middle of all three of the surrounding communities I can also contribute that the township pays $20 an hour the most L Township Council I think that's a fair fair recommendation 16 and 18 was 16 or 15 16 and 18 16 and 18 no make that uh I'll make a motion to go [1:57:52] Douglas Juntunen: with that recommendation of $16 an hour for the election judges and $18 hour for the head election judge second all in favor propose Carri thank you good job on that 6 local board appeals and ization meeting um set for April 4th 2024 at 10: a.m. this is information only correct are you looking for correct and just to see who would like to attend and or get it on their schedules I know right now I did send out a communication regarding training opportunities for um [1:58:39] Ellissa Owens: this particular opportunity but um we currently have councilor jman and mayor Shaw um ready to go so we don't need any anybody else to participate in the training that opportunity has actually um closed at this point in time but just wanted to make everywhere everybody aware of the meeting date and time this when will that that training open up again because you have to have two judges and you're going to need another one next year yeah maybe it's in the is it in the fall it is in the fall yep it's for a few month period or something yes we're good the county generally gives us a a a nice heads up and and a a poke regarding making sure that we have at least two people trained in CER I think everyone can look it right [1:59:27] Jim Michalski: at this time yes I I got in my calendar okay all right we're good okay moving on to 6p this is the addition I asked for um this ordinance 105 I think was originally put in in uh 1981 this is the liquor ordinance and there was Amendment put in place in 19 97 by uh Dave talet and uh I think the protemp mayor at that time is Boo C and they put in a a recommendation in or actually the change ordinance so that [2:00:15] Jim Michalski: uh a business looking for a liquor license had to be the the building and the equipment and all had to be at a set at a million dollars and it was Amendment a 105a um so I want to ask the council to give the okay to proceed in amending this dis ordinance and I'll tell you why they did this at that time David who administrator wanted to bring in a high I guess how would you call it a high level restaurant I don't know and he said it at a high dollar amount to give a liquor license he was trying to bring in a highand restaurant in other words and and so they decided that would be a good idea by doing that they hurt other businesses that wanted to come in here from doing the same um and their idea is what is it 25 years later or more didn't work in fact it hurt other businesses from wanting to come in um and we have that option to do so to grant that so I would like to [2:01:49] Jim Michalski: start the process amending that add an amendment to 105 taking that item out of it and not set a limit and leave it up to the council here to make that decision itself um I think that ties the council and it ties the administration from trying to bring in other businesses I think we proved having the brewery that it didn't hurt the the munity at all our sales have just continued to increase and we're doing great as we are today so I guess I'm asking for consensus for the administration to start that process we [2:02:35] Jim Michalski: would have to introduce it in March and then we would go through the same process three readings for 3 months and approving it in uh that would be May so I'm asking for consensus great Walter yes yes consensus to start that process thank you all right um mov any other questions on that from there do you have anything else you should act on with concerning that wait at this point no we're we're we're in a little bit of Limbo with the the current license that was granted um [2:03:22] Ellissa Owens: and so we're going to have to we're working with our attorneys to to determine how our ordinance impacts that and what the measures for determining that particular stipulation are so um we're we're working through that um I think irregardless of of what happens in this particular scenario we have a need to modify the ordinance so we'll we'll address that and we'll keep contining for with that we'll move on to reports and correspondence 7A the moorn concept closure communication Bill Carlson requesting us to in in [2:04:08] Jim Michalski: essence I'm in the process of shedding and deleting all my personal FES return to the Moor concept I propose that the city of Moose Lake officially Clos the Moor project my knowledge no from the city has ever tracked the progress of any posting submitted by the community on the Moose horn players cimm lake. mn. us email address um I will ask Rory do you have any input want me to go up there yeah could you please see I was been in the loop with that uh from from Bill too and his his original idea of that moorn concept was to kind of get input uh Community input for the public access television and um we did have a little bit over the covid time but then since that not so much but there are a couple things I know uh on our website right now the the two links for people to be able to send stuff are not working they go to dead dead pages right now so through the last few years I've asked about trying to get a a upload system [2:05:25] Rory: similar to like what people would do like with a Facebook or YouTube where if they have a phone out there and they're on the Trails um that they could upload us you know some content um you know pictures too but but short little videos would be would be really nice you know um so uh I've kind of been working on that but but nothing's really transpired on that uh you know trying to get like a Dropbox or some kind of a upload thing but I think that would kind of follow along a little little bit of what Bill's Vision was back then as far as you know and I and I think things have gotten where pretty much everybody's got a cell phone the easiest way would be to have it so that they could upload from a from a cell phone to be able to send to [2:06:11] Rory: us to do it now I do some um you know with email a little bit like video you can't really do through email so I mean you almost have to have more of a upload kind of thing and some of the live stream things and and from some of the churches like Barnum Church send stuff through Dropbox but it's actually their Dropbox um that they have set up and then I'm able to kind of Link into that so I think that concept of trying to set something for more public input I think is is a good idea um I do too but as far as you know people sending in email through email and stuff it it didn't really happen but like I say I think right now um the idea is great but taking that up to where technology is now where everybody's got [2:06:57] Rory: their their cell phones and if they take a picture cool sunset or whatever and I do have a few people that do provide me stuff of you know scenery scenery kind of things uh you know through the years and that that through an email but like I say kind of taking that a step up where we could uh be able to do some uh some videos and I'm pretty sure the links probably on the website just when the website got revamped kind of just ended up not getting hooked up anywhere but we had like a form on there but you couldn't really do much as far as video on there so I mean if that's something that you know we could look into I think that would be uh that would be great to allow the you know because I mean to to to have access for the public so like I say so they could just upload [2:07:42] Rory: to something uh of the city that then I could you know push out on the public access I think would be would be great we I'll ask for consensus from the council to move ahead with Rory's idea before we officially close together I think we need to know what what it would cost and we need to make sure that oversight because we don't want things getting out there that should not be out right I mean it would have to come where it still would come to me I mean it wouldn't get directly uh put on the public access but just kind of a um you know a database place you know um I mean you can kind of do that with a Google Docs too but to do a shared Google Docs and you kind of have to have more of a one-on-one kind of thing um [2:08:28] Rory: maybe it's a another Facebook page that if they threw it on there then I could grab it from there I don't you know I don't know I mean I think there's probably options that aren't real costly I know Dropbox is not you know I I think the Barnum Church of what they're sending I think they pay $200 a year or something like that I mean it's not you know it's not crazy but uh that's kind of I guess I should have explained that more have really explore these ideas you come back to us and uh yeah I kind of poked around a little bit you know um because because like I say I know and and and to answer bill and I did answer him directly on the email I I have been keeping track of that that uh email that's been going to that you know and um and like I said I [2:09:14] Rory: don't I I think that's not the way of the world right now you know as far as people you know taking something and sending it on email versus you know doing it with their phone now that being said you know Bill's concept of you know old family pictures and stuff like that but I have been working with the um historical society and trying to get some programming you know based out of that um because that was I think his other Vision was you know supporting you know the stuff that happened in the past and I think you know by by partnering a little bit more with the historical side there's a few two people there Danny Reed for one um that's kind of interested on putting together you know maybe a little local you know something I don't know if anybody knows Danny Reed but he could take he could take any [2:10:01] Rory: subject and uh be able to make a you know half our presentation right now you know so I think that kind of stuff on part of Bill's uh I'm hoping to connect with Bill because his Visions from way back of time they were kind of and you know and those Visions are still there it's just that you know technology definitely keeps on stepping and and back then nobody nobody had what they do now but like I say right now everybody's got a video camera right in their pocket so I mean I think we could get some some pretty nice uh content but you're right um it wouldn't be anything that we will directly on there just that we could be able to get it you know I mean otherwise you're trying to share a jump drive or something and you still can't get that off your phone very easy I mean it's got to be simple just like I don't know if you've ever uploaded like anything to [2:10:47] Rory: Facebook or YouTube you know it's it's pretty easy on your phone so if we could kind of create something along that line and it won't be hours of stuff you know you know somebody takes a I've seen some clips like that on the trail you know 30 seconds you know the swans when they came in and stuff I mean there's some pretty neat stuff that's happening around the community and you know be able to show that uh I think it would be pretty cool i' fall right in with L with Bill's Vision with his vision yeah yeah so I still I I've got the gra graphic up there yet I figured I wait to the console you know as far as with that um you know with what he's had but I think that same kind of that same kind of idea I think could be molded into something that would uh work where we could get people you know for for [2:11:32] Rory: inputting stuff and to have it on our end so that we can you know have something set up consensus Greg more information yeah we're looking at a drop box for a couple hundred bucks on for that y anything that gets more content out there is is good so you got consensus to move that sounds great and for you guys that are in the loop of the console and stuff I know wal of you you've uh definitely provided some stuff and we appreciate that a lot you know as far as pictures and things but anybody else you know it's got some stuff around the city uh that'd be great I guess the next step then is to take there was recommendation to close uh um the musor concept um [2:12:18] Jim Michalski: referring to the Moose home players at C.M l.n. us which doesn't go anywhere it sounds like anyway yeah I mean it's just I mean it's an email that like I said I I usually check it every couple weeks but basically there hasn't been I mean you get some sales stuff that has hopped on there a little bit you know but as far as content um I think it was 2020 that was the last content that we got on there would you recommend it also to close it yeah I think you know and especially if that's a request of bills cuz I mean that was kind of you know and that we could put tie it in closer to the correct the city you know uh Ry would you be willing to gather information on the Dropbox opportunity like the cost cuz I just asked the girl [2:13:05] Jim Michalski: that has it from baram just the other day Just for kicks I said you know what do you and I thought that's what she said she said it's like $200 you know she's got like a personal one now if they let the city have a personal one or not you know or if it's got to be a commercial kind of thing um but she she uh is able to upload like their services that are usually uh our they usually push an hour and then he does a thing called holy F on Wednesdays um that's usually about 45 minutes and it works great for all that you know I don't on her end I don't know how long it's taken her to you know uplate but like I say that's way longer stuff than what I'm thinking you know I'm thinking if people are you know on their phone they talking you know a minute or two that you're shooting something you know sure we'll make sure that that email gets eliminated and then if you want to gather information on the [2:13:51] Jim Michalski: Dropbox forward with that is that something you have time for Rory I've used Dropbox for like 20 years so well if you yeah I mean if you're familiar with what it takes to set that up um you know I mean I think that would I mean that would do like with the well obviously cuz whatever I don't know what format she's using to upload the videos but um I mean that works good on my end cuz then I can just grab them from there and that so if we can do something that and have a kind of an easy you know easy access through the city I think would be would be great sure and I just fixed that link on our website to the Google Drive that we already have I don't know how it got messed up but I just fixed it so it goes It goes to the drive now so is that like the original forms that were on there or that something else the [2:14:37] Taylor Hansberry: Google Drive that we set up for community members to be able to upload photos and videos um we set that up and where did that go before P I guess I did you been not to be able to tell anybody uh well I posted it on Facebook and it was on our website and then I I believe I shared the folder with your I don't know if I shared it with your farm email address or if it was with your City address um but you have access to that as well I haven't seen any uploads I've than the pictures that I uploaded initially but um it is up there it is working out okay okay yeah no that would uh that would be good okay I'm guessing we have consensus with this this uh one that bill was talking about [2:15:23] Jim Michalski: which is different than then what Taylor was talking about correct it sounds like there might be a desire to go away from the Google um so we'll look into the drop Bo opportunity and the differences between okay all right any other questions before we move on I I have a question about that was there something about taking stuff down out of the library too that were in reference to the that I remember seeing like that so that'll take more work if we're we're removing things out of the library in reference to [2:16:09] Jim Michalski: it what it states is uh this is from Mr Carlson with that being said I would propose that the city remove any reference to the moose horn CS concept from local Access TV and the Moose Public Library also the designated email address should be discontinued see attachment of the marked version of the Moose horn Basin connection recently submitted but never shown on local access T Access TV or links to the city website okay I think there are some things in the library that earn reference to it well let's let's uh make sure before we do anything with it that we understand what we're doing with it then and I think some of that ties back to that original grant money that right you know with that Broadband stuff and that too so yes so we'll do this carefully so that we do not uh do something we'll be sorry for later um with what already been done thank you moving on to 7D aead Library System 2024 anual annual budget disclosure I this is simply just a communication Library systems with the 2024 budget any questions discussion by the [2:17:45] Jim Michalski: council anything you want to share or it's all good on 7 C wind Township Vice chair Tom bakatari made to the moake area fire district yes Tony bakatari shared an um a letter with the city essentially they're engaging with the fire district to determine whether or not the um windir Township would like to engage in the mo Lake Area Fire District everybody got um Everybody affiliated with this inquiry got a copy of the letter um and this is just outlining some of the means in which um they're going to share information and engage further in in investigating whether or [2:18:31] Ellissa Owens: not that that um partnership will happen wal to is our representative on the fireboard any additional information no okay very good thank you moving on to number eight committee and board meeting minutes we have number a the moake area Fire Protection District meeting minutes from January 9th 2024 8B the Park and Recreation board meeting minutes January 8th 2024 number nine announcements Moose Lake or regular Moose Lake City council meeting Wednesday March 13 2024 4 p.m. [2:19:11] Jim Michalski: Moose Lake City council chambers right here Moose Lake Economic Development Authority Wednesday February 21st 2024 at 12:00 p.m. in the conference room moose like water Life Commission regular meeting Tuesday February 20th 2024 1 p.m. Water and Light office Mo Lake housing Redevelopment Authority board Monday March 11th 2024 11:00 a.m. Hillside Manor office mus Cara fire district Tuesday March 12th 2024 6:30 p.m. at the Emergency Response Center Moose Lake Park board meeting Monday March 4th 2024 5:00 p.m. right here now before I ask for adjournment now we passed the motion to contract you're I'm just take automatically taking the lead administrator to move ahead with contacting the county to start negotiations C so the the attorneys have just done very preliminary work as far as contracts are concerned not wanting [2:20:24] Ellissa Owens: to spend uh a lot of city of resources until uh there was clear Direction but what has occurred is the transfer of information they have other contracts that the county has engaged with um to other um townships and and cities in Carlton County as well so they have those documents they've reviewed they have all the information that's been transferred between both the city and the um C County Sheriff's Office in negotiations thus far and so um what I had communicated to the attorneys is that um I would share the result and the council's decision this evening with them and then they would then have the green light to engage in um further drafting a a contract um I also spoke with Sheriff um Kelly Lake in the um during the recess and we'll start engaging immediately with um discussions on um what this process looks like moving forward just a real quick question it's a very simple one okay they gave a dollar amount for the proposal and they had not finished their own negotiations on wages if that wage went up is that can affect that B Doll month they gave us so Sheriff Kelly Lake did share in one of the previous meetings um that um that the way the information that was extended to the city in the initial proposal would be honored okay and that was a comment that she made in a public meeting previously at least for the length of this first contract correct which we don't know how long it'll be if [2:21:57] Jim Michalski: it'll be a year two years three years correct and and um the city can engage in in the term that uh Council deems right desirable thank you you're welcome do we have a motion to adjourn have a second all in favor say I oppos we're Jed