feel. Here we go. Number five. All right. Welcome, welcome everyone. Uh today is Wednesday, April 15th, tax day. Uh it's 10:30 a.m. and we're um at the Urban and Economic Development Committee meeting. Just want to welcome those of you joining us online and in the room. First order of business is uh we call the meeting to order. Second of order of business. Reszoning application Z7853 from RS3 to CH for property located north and east of the northeast corner of Southwest Boulevard and West 38 Place. requested by the Tulsa City Council. Property owner, city of Tulsa in council district 2, team APC voted 9 01 to recommend approval of the zoning. Uh, and Susan Miller. >> So, this isn't anything new. Um, I presented this for uh when you all were considering it for initiation and you initiated it. This is something This is a piece of a parcel sort of along Southwest Boulevard Route 66 that currently houses the administrative offices for the Route 66 Main Street. It's zoned RS3. The highway zoned RS3, which which never really matters what the highway is zoned, but I think this was really caught up in that zoning. It was been that way since 1970. In order to facilitate a gift shop, um, which is something they want to get in place for the centennial, they need commercial zoning. So, that's what this request is for. the 901 the one is is Genie Q because she recused herself because of her involvement in the you know community development funding for it. So um so anyway it's really pretty straightforward. It just needs to be commercial even to better facilitate what it's used for now but especially for a gift shop. >> Yes. Um any questions? >> Yes. Council, >> why is the property adjoining? Why is that CG? >> I don't know. That's been there a long time as well. So there's We decided when we were kind >> Is that undeveloped? >> Uh here. Let's go. Let's look here. >> I'm just curious. I mean, I've been over there. >> I'm just curious. Is there nothing there? >> Oh, to the It's um And that's the That's the >> actual main street. >> Oh, okay. >> Right. That's a parking lot. >> Yeah. That's why I was confused. I was like, >> I don't know how that goes. Why is that commercial general? I don't think there's anything there. >> Yeah, not really. But CGCH, they're very very close in what you can do, but we decided just to go ahead and go with CH since most of the property around it is CH. >> Okay. >> All right. Any other questions? >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you, Susan. Item number three, ordinance amending the Tulsa Revive ordinances, title five, boards, commissions, and committee chapter 5, Greater Tulsa Area Indian Affairs Commission, reorganizing for the reli for the readability restructuring commission appointees and terms and providing for tribal design from the Skoi Creek Nation, the Cherokee Nation, and Nation, providing that the city of Tulsa director of tribal policy and partnership for a similar position in the absence thereof shall be an exitio non- voting member of the commission. >> I don't think I recall your name, sir. >> Good morning. I'm Daniel Carter, the vice chair of the Greater Tulsa Area Indian Affairs Commission. You're >> welcome. >> Thank you for having me. >> Would you like to to speak to this or >> would it be helpful to set some context about if just for other folks collection? Yeah. Um because I had spoken um maybe was it last week that we met last I don't know what day it is anyway um with Amanda where we kind of thank you I >> sorry >> so um you know we had this go through our committee table before and we had it up for a vote at our last council meeting however once um some of us had looked at it a bit more we had more questions about that we I wish we had caught sooner for the committee meeting and I know you were out of town we were do last minute things. We apologize for the both delay because I I also know from the title five end of things from when I human rights commission how hard it is and how painstaking it is to work with everyone to even reddraft these documents. So we really appreciate you coming to join us. But we had we had held it back where we got some answers from Amanda Swope, but she really spoke to that um that the vice chair was really best to kind of communicate and explain the details of the restructure. Um, we'd had questions about who this helped bring to the table or who it potentially left out. And it sounded like there were some really good explanations about how this really helped broaden and shore up the membership. So, if you wouldn't mind just explaining to us, you know, some of the shifts. It sounds like there's just some language cleanup here, um, and what this changes or doesn't change relative to that. I just think that would be really helpful where we just all had context questions that I wish we'd caught when we had it on committee the first time. And thank you for your patience with us as we go back. read of this. >> I'm I've been chair of the of the commission's bylaws committee for two or three years and out of respect for your time, I won't go over all the discussions we've had in those two or three years, but I'm an attorney um by day. And so when I started looking at the bylaws committee and were considering amendments to the bylaws, it seemed to me that it was more appropriate to make those amendments in the actual ordinance, especially where parts of the bylaws weren't quite consistent with the ordinance. So some of the requested bylaw changes I felt like weren't able to be made without amending the ordinance. But the ordinance itself, the reason the bylaws have so many provisions is because the ordinance itself was difficult to for commissioners to really understand and and uh comprehend. So they started putting those provisions in the bylaws and when lay people you know interpret ordinances put in the bylaws there becomes inconsistencies. So what my effort has been is to make the ordinance or structured in a way that the commissioners can can read it and understand it without having to go to the bylaws and then take some of the changes that were desired in the bylaws and move them to the ordinance. Um so really it is a it's a restructuring and revision. Some of the one of the primary changes that uh we wanted to make was instead of classifying tribes as organization appointees, give them a um recognition as sovereign nations and exeicio voting position on the commission. That way it's not up for appointment and reappointment uh every two or three years. understanding that the Osage Nation, the Cherokee Nation, and the Muscogee Creek Nation are the nations with reservations in the greater Tulsa area. So, those are the three tribes that were provided the exeicio positions. Um, we've had lengthy discussion about that. to your point uh councelor Bellis about last week there the current version of the ordinance says that to be a commissioner you have to be of Native American ancestry or American Indian ancestry and the bylaws say that you must be um enrolled in a in a tribe or have a CIB card which is a certificate degree of Indian blood and in the past there have been an issue where someone just selfidentified as being of Native American ancestry and served on the commission. We the commission this was before my time and the commission later discovered this person was enrolled and did not have American Indian ancestry and um so to kind of add an extra step to confirm that an appointee because we don't make the appointments. It's obviously from the mayor with your confirmation and from the county. We just want to have an extra step of confirming that someone is of American Indian ancestry. So, the bylaws already changed to require the CDIV card or travel enrollment card. That part is just put into the uh to the ordinance as well. >> So, what I'm council, >> how did you determine they weren't? I believe it was after um the person passed away and someone on the commission was responsible for sort of going and handling through their affairs and realized that they were not enrolled with the tribe they said that they enrolled with. >> Oh, >> they did not have American Indian ancestry. >> Okay. >> Councelor Paul Harper. >> So, how do you determine American Indian ancestry? >> Well, it's tied to a federally recognized tribe in the post commission and then typically the tribe will confirm that a person is a descendant of someone that was on the doll's roles where they had their uh degree of Indian blood or their uh enrollment confirmed on the doll's roles in 1906. And then even if they're not eligible to be enrolled with a tribe, you can still go to the Bureau of Indian Affairs and get a certified degree of Indian blood to show that you're American Indian ancestry based upon the same process. Or you would trace your lineage to someone that was on the doll's role and confirmed to be of American Indian ancestry. >> But you can be on the doll's roles and not have blood. >> Yes. will typically say that you do not have Indian blood if you're on doll's roles. So, you don't uh have Indian blood. It will say what your degree of Indian blood is. It might say adopted or it might say Freriedman. >> Freedman. That's what I'm >> Yeah. Yeah. So, it does specify whether you have Indian blood or not on the doll's roles. >> So, would in some cases not all, right? >> Right. >> Okay. So, are Freeman excluded or not? Because if they have American Indian ancestry on the doll's roles, then they're included. If they do not have American Indian ancestry on the adults roles, like if it says no blood quantum zero, um then they won't be eligible because they don't have American Indian ancestry. >> That's under the current language. >> That's not the current language >> or Okay. So, the current language is exclusionary that way. Just to clarify that does the new language shift that? >> No, it doesn't change that at all. You're still required to have American Indian ancestry under the current ordinance, under the current bylaws, and under the proposed ordinance. >> What about if men are then recognized by a tribe? Are they applicable? >> Only if they have American Indian ancestry. >> Okay. >> Is that something you'd be amenable to to changing? We we've talked about this for these u this ordinance revision for two or three years and it's never been discussed whether Freman should be on the commission or not. Um so I I can't speak for the commission on that. I think that the way that it is and these proposed changes, it's not intended to be a policy document referendum on whether Freeman should be included in tracks or not. Right. >> It's it's a restructuring to help our to help reflect where our commission is today to help move forward. I think there's a definitely vehicles for that discussion. Um whether it be within each tribe or in tribal courts. I don't I don't think that this is the vehicle to have that policy discussion. My preference would be to amend the ordinance to allow the commission to operate as envisioned um consistent with its its modern scope of work and our goals and let those vehicles were determining whether Freman should be enrolled in drugs. Let those be the vehicles for that policy decision, not this ordinance amendment. >> Councelor Bangle. >> All right. I haven't hopefully this doesn't sound silly. So today, because we have like ancestry, we can do DNA tests, right? And let's just say I went and had a DNA test and was found to have some sort of Native American blood and but I couldn't trace my lineage. Um, I didn't have a role number or anything of that nature. So if that person isn't specifically identified with a specific tribe, how if they do have that, do does the commission find that val find like DNA testing valid but without having a role number in the same capacity that a freedman would be. So the it's not really for the commission to decide, but tribes typically do not accept an ancestry DNA test as um as qualifying for enrollment in the tribe. I don't think that ancestry DNA tests even go to a particular tribe. I think goes to region. You might be able to tell what tribe was in that region. >> But um but if the tribes don't recognize that ancestry, then the commission won't. We give deference to the tribes on determining their membership and who is of American Indian ancestry. And this was all said through the long 20-year process of the doll's roles and in federal law. So, I don't really think it's up for to the commission to decide, hey, now tribes can recognize American Indian ancestry through a DNA test. Um, our job is to be a liazison between the city of Tulsa, the tribes, and the tribal community. And I feel like it would be overstepping if we recognize someone as a member of a tribe when the tribe doesn't recognize that person. >> Okay. But you're not stating that those DNA tests are invalid, right? >> No. No. I I think it's scientific. I think that there's some legitimacy to it. >> Absolutely. >> But I just don't think it's the commission's place as a liaison to determine >> who's eligible to do. >> Yeah. I only asked that question because of the person that you referenced earlier who had been serving that didn't have any. So, I mean, I'm just thinking through the different scenarios because I do know that people have supposedly taken those DNA tests and they couldn't identify specifically what tribe because their ancestry didn't have a role number because I could tell you even in my own lineage, I had a grandparent who claimed they were, you know, of Indian ancestry. I even have the application and the rejection number. So, you know, when I went and took that DNA test, zero. So, I was like, the government was right back then. So, I'm just I just want to think through when we're excluding people, we're thinking of the different scenarios where people may not necessarily be able to find that role number because it was like you were talking about 1906 back at the turn of the century. These are people that went through a process of the government of establishing themselves as part of a tribe. So if the freed men eventually are identified as tribal members, I would hope the commission would take some of these different scenarios into consideration in its membership. >> Yes. And if a freedman has American Indian ancestry, >> yeah, >> they're eligible. But there was a there was a a a process for getting on the doll's roles. You had to apply. You had to say who your ancestors were. You had to bring in witnesses. There's interview process. If you're a grantor at night, there's an appeals process. >> And so I think that the tribes that I have experience with and discussions with the BIA is >> let's not try to second guess what was ownorous process that happened 130 years ago. when we don't have the same information and ability to gauge whether someone was of American Indian ancestry or not when there is a process for that played out. >> Excuse me. >> You can take that out on there too. >> Yeah. >> So all of that's true, right? >> Council finish. >> Um I guess I'm curious going back to the piece. Sorry. I think I had an understanding and maybe it was probably my misunderstanding from um when I was asking some clarifying questions about this uh two weeks ago. Um, going back to that piece about the ancestry versus like the official tribal woman because I I kind of had this takeaway and I'm curious about if this language might be amendable or is feasible or anything like that about like if and when uh freed men are permitted access, you know, as some of that's carrying out with some of these different nations right now. when that happens, is there a way in the current language to create that space for those folks to be able to participate in the commission or is that something the commission I know that there's a lot more dialogue there and again I know how labor intensive it is to have this whole diverse group of people that have been appointed so you pick your team and everyone together trying to model through these updates but I'm I'm just curious about how simple it would be in the current draft to be able to create the space for hey once people have the official recognition for these tribes. Can they participate or is that something the commission I can't speak but might be amenable to looking at in the future. I'm just wasn't sure what that looks like. I didn't find out a lawyer. So the legal language of all that I don't know how easy that is or not. >> It would be it would be quite easy and that's the benefit of having a restructure revision that makes sense. >> Yeah. >> Is that you could look at the current tribute ordinance and >> say whether you like something or not and know exactly where an amendment would need to go. Um, and I I work with a lot of tribes in my day job, and that's what I always try to do is make sure that they can amend the ordinance in a way that makes sense for them without them having to go to a lot of different parts of the ordinance. And this is set up in that way where changes could be made in the future. And of course, it's up to the up to the city on you appointing what you what amendments you want. These are just these are our recommendations. Um maybe this is a question for legal um related to this like I just wasn't sure if there's we could look at like that amendment language of going because what he was just mentioning right now is it doesn't change that blood ancestry piece but we could also add a clause in about you know when there's that recognition or just like when someone if they have a card that also works >> well it it does say demonstrated by a tribal enrollment card or a CDR So that already actually is there. >> Well, it but it also adds that layer of Indian ancestry. Um Caroline might have a thought on this. You you could approach it one of two ways. You could be explicit about it and say freedman are recognized by a tribe that they'll be uh allowed to participate in their enrollment card will be sufficient regardless of ancestry. Um, or you could interpret it to say if they have an enrollment card or a CDI, it's either then they're eligible. Caroline, you might have some different thoughts on that. >> Carol, do you want to come to the table? >> Sure. I would there's benefit in being explicit. I mean, if if you if your goal is to recognize freedman, if tribes recognize freedom, I would I would just say as much I was just going to say I agree. I think it's always helpful to be explicit by what you mean. >> I'm happy to help draft an additional sentence there. That's what the council wants. >> If the tribe if the tri if the tribe recognizes >> a category or something, not even freeman, but just like a >> then the commission will recognize that. Yeah, >> yeah, I >> I just want to touch on this again because this is kind of like when you're tracing your ancestry and people try and tie themselves to their history >> or their ancestry. >> You said it, it's scientific. DNA is accessible to all of us. So, if we did, recordkeeping was terrible. We all know that. Um, if through ancestry or through DNA testing you do have some quantum of blood, I don't know that ancestry would be able to determine what that would be like. >> But that's my problem is is that if you were to take that DNA test and it did show some Native American blood, this to me would be in the same realm. >> They don't acknowledge it. That that's the problem for me. >> There have been but that's what I'm saying. >> But there's been a court order for that acknowledgement and those tribes are actively going through these processes to be able to create an enrollment pathway. So that to me is that middle ground of >> Okay. So there is this is there is a process potentially for that >> right. So what that'll what we can clarify with our language is going when those tribes have that worked out which they are legally having to do then they'll be a pathway for those folks to get a seat on this commission is what what kind of my amended language proposal is here >> if currently current that have cards there's still going to always be this back and forth battle >> right >> but there are plenty of treatment who are recognized by their tribe even the Greek >> there are >> even though they're oh >> well then there we go There's different tribes for different things. >> They all have freedom. They all the five civilized tribes and we get into Oklahoma history, but the five civilized tribes were civilized because they engaged in your opinion. >> Yeah. I just want to be deliberate that we're not intentionally being exclusionary because >> of certain things or that we are on a path to figuring out how folks who do have those specific things are allowed at some point to serve on these commissions. >> I think this is like what we just laid out to is like it's not like perfect, but I think it's close approximations we can get to exclusion. I think the so I think the issue the issue wasn't freedman or recognized by it was it was the blood the Indian blood >> well it was it was just people claiming to be of American ancestry when they weren't um >> and so I would just I would ask that >> my grandma didn't pay $5 you consider this change >> my grandma didn't pay her $5 >> that you don't make it over broad >> because we don't want like I wouldn't expect the commission or a commissioner to to be of service to the native native American community and the city of Tulsa if last week they found out that they're of American Indian ancestry through ancestry.com >> and now they're going to be on the commission and be a liaison. the the purpose and goal of this commission is to is to to be of service to the city of Tulsa as a liaison with the tribes and tribal communities and just because someone is of American Indian ancestry by DNA that isn't a very good liaison to the people that this commission is trying to reach and to the tribes of this people that to the tribes that this commission is trying to reach. So I just want to caution against being over over broad. >> Council councelor Dutton. >> Yeah. So I just want to speak to the point of DNA and ancestry. Um that's region based and it when you do your DNA and your ancestry, they actually show parental connections. And I know through my DNA I came up with 9% that that's u Mexican Native American Native American because that's part of the Americas as well. But that doesn't it shows the region. It doesn't show the tribal connections just the region of where it originated. So that's that's the difference with the DNA and ancestry is yeah you're not able to refine specific tribal associations. >> Yeah. But you explained there's a pathway potentially. >> Yeah. Because they want >> and I think >> so that's relevant to me. >> I'm sorry. >> Go ahead. >> To your point. It depends on the test that you take as well, >> right? >> So there's a lot of options out there. >> Yeah. And so I took African ancestry and so that's how I to know what actual tribe from through DNA because there's a database of DNA. >> There's over 30,000 on the continent of Africa. So my DNA could be Native Americans don't have that. >> They don't have that database where you can actually take that DNA and test it directly with a tribe. So I know I'm with the Alan tribe that's lives in Ghana today. I know that through that specific test because they specify they specialize in that area. Again, they have over 30,000 DNA uh samples that they have in their system that they can directly connect their DNA to. We don't have that, >> right? But if we're talking about regionally, >> they would know specifically what tribes might be have been in that area that you could potentially be associated with. >> Yeah. So, I didn't want to get into the weeds about the whole DNA thing, but I I certainly think it's relevant. >> And going back to your concern about like how do we make sure it's not too broad? That's what my thought is like that balance is the whole to do that enrollment. Do you think that helps make sure it doesn't like create too much broad where someone could just claim access? >> Yeah, I think I think that uh sufficiently tailor it narrowly enough to not be overrun. >> Okay. And The main discussion that we had with the commission was about the CDIP card because we want the commission wanted to be able to include people that might be of a lesser blood than the tribe recognizes because some some people might be an eighth Comanche Apache um an eighth China Rapjo and B38 but all those tribes recognize only a quarter but that person still is culturally tied to each of those tribes still participates in in their cultural ceremonies still active although they're not officially recognized. That was the primary part of our discussion commission and bylaw uh committee and so that's why we have CDI card to show that maybe you're an apaho and you're not going to have a trouble enrollment card because they require a quarter but you're still able to serve on the commission. So that's the difference between the two. >> That's good. Okay, that's a >> Is that something we can make sure we clarify in the language as well? >> I think that part's already >> Okay. >> And then I'll just voice to my colleagues. This is just my own cultural history too. Of course, I also want to be cautious when we're talking about DNA testing that not everyone would feel, you know, safe in participating in DNA testing. Um, you know, there's a lot of privacy concerns with those compan I'm just flagging this. There's a lot of privacy concerns with those companies and how that information gets used. And then also like you know sometimes there are some people that do not want to be homeless like that. >> Please don't make DNA testing. >> No. So that's why I'm just flagging that for us. You know there's there's times when some of us this is the as a Jew we just don't want to be on this. We don't there's most of us anyway doesn't turn out well. And so yeah I appreciate people with a sensitivity to people's privacy and safety. So >> have we gone off the air? >> No. I'm checking it out. >> Thank you so much. >> Okay. >> Is there a way we can >> Okay. >> No, >> I'm checking on that. I also want to know are you will you be voting on this tonight? >> I think so. I was just going to ask if there's that amended language maybe ever see and we make sure that we get your feedback too before we vote on it tonight. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We'll just send you just to be a little slip of a Yeah. One sentence. >> I I can look at it to make sure it's not over the purpose of of what we're >> of course. >> All right. Item number four, resolution. >> Thank you. uh resolution calling for and requesting the Tulsa County Election Board to conduct nonpartisan general elections on August 25th, 2026 as necessary uh to elect the city council for all nine city Tulsa election districts and the auditor of the city of Tulsa as provided by the city of Tulsa's amended charter um city charter article uh six calling calling for and requesting the election board to conduct nonpartisan runoff elections if required on November 3rd, 2026. >> Oh, sure. Carolina actually drafted all of this, but it's just the uh um regular resolution calling the election for all council offices and the city auditor as provided in the charter um in August August 25th of 26. I think you're all familiar with the process certainly. So, we're not calling off the election, right? >> No. >> Let's have one. >> All right. Any questions or uh comments? All right. Number five, resolution directing the filing of an annual assessment role for the Tulsa Stadium Improvement District. Number one and notice to public hearing on increased assessment against certain part parcels of real property within the Tulsa State improvement district number one setting June 3rd, 2026 as the date of public hearing directing that notice of public hearing be published and this is with the emergency also uh number four was with the emergency as well. Hi. Uh, Jessica Height with the finance department. Um, this resolution directs us to file the annual assessment rule for the Tulsa Stadium Improvement District for the city clerk's office. Uh, the resolution also provides notice of public hearing to property owners. The public hearing is set up for June 3rd, 2026 at 5:00 p.m. We are scheduled to build the assessments on July 1st, 2026. Um, this assessment was first build in 2009 and is a 30-year district. Uh, once this resolution is passed, we will send second we will send a we will send property owners a copy of the resolution and their proposed assessment for the upcoming year. Property owners will have the chance to object to this assessment in writing to be delivered to the city clerk's office by Friday, May 29th at 5:00 p.m. so they can attend the public hearing. >> Uh, councelor Decker Wright. Thank you. Um, it came to my attention, uh, that there's nonprofits in the stadium improvement district that have to pay these assessments, and I wasn't here when it was originally crafted. But was there any discussion or contemplation of carving those out? The determination was not to >> I believe that's those exceptions are provided by statute and the city itself pays the assessments downtown for example >> for the non even if they're leasing a building versus owning it >> I think it attaches to the property the assessment so um those may be passed on but um >> yeah the city and the county paid >> something very strange The camera's going crazy. >> Yeah, that's why. >> We are still live though. I wonder. >> Yeah, it was making me dizzy. >> It feels like crazy. >> It's that one. >> It's that someone's just making >> I don't know, but it made me dizzy to see the next >> It'll come back around to >> So, if the nonprofit owns the building that there there's a carve out by state statute. >> No, no, no. I I think the only exceptions are those provided by statutes. So, uh I think it's religious institutions and federal entities are exempt under under statute, >> but u cities and nonprofits are not is my understanding. >> Okay. Religious institutions and federal facilities. Okay. >> I don't turn it off. >> Oh, do you want it off? I can >> I can turn off. Anything else? >> No, I didn't know if any of you had been so good. >> All right. Thank you so much for for sharing. Okay. Uh I'm sorry that I'm sorry. Come back, please. My bad. Councelor had a question. >> Okay. So, thank you councelor V for that. I was, it was also brought to my attention last week that nonprofits are being uh sustaining commercial uh parcel property rentals based on the property values in that area. And so nonprofits are simply that and to pay commercial rates is really puts Yeah. puts them in a tight spot. So that really needs to be addressed. I don't know how it can be, but >> that's how it came to my attention. >> I think that's where we got whenever we were going through it. >> Is it that >> isn't that also through the county? I mean, could we get from the county? >> The county doesn't is are you saying that it would have to be a state statute that would carve it out? There's nothing we could do locally for relief. >> I think that's right. And these are distinct from property taxes. These are assessments that um >> so the those treatment as in the under the adalorum system is is different. But so this ties back to a specific state statute that calls out um federal agencies, federal property and um religious property >> and if they make the ex I'm just asking the question. If they make the exemption for those, could they not amend their statute to also exclude 501c3s? >> Yeah. So >> a state deal is not >> so is that something that we need to then go to legislators and say you know could you provide relief? >> I think that's >> because it is >> that's my memory of the way. >> Yeah it's an outsized um you know these nonprofits are leasing a space close to where they need to provide services and when they get passed through >> $5,000 or something assessment and they're you know that $5,000 could feed or clothe their house people. So that's how it came to my attention and it was a bit of a shock. I don't know. You know, I said you should check your lease and see if there's like disclosure of those things, right? They're just trying to be proximate to people who are trying to serve and they don't necessarily understand that that also puts them in a >> trust district, >> right? So, I don't know what kind of disclosure is also required of the property owners if they're leasing the space. >> I don't know how you change it based upon when that assessment was put in place. I don't know if changes can't be retroactive given the debt that was taken on by the stadium trust based upon those projections and those laws, >> right? >> I don't know. >> It could just be like a consumer >> going forward >> information point of information like if you are looking at leasing a property in this area more than likely you will have this passed on to you. I just think it's a consumer knowledge um of understanding as well. You know, if the property manager is not saying, "Oh, we're in the stadium trust district and that means this cost will be passed on to you and the people organizing to rent an office or a space don't know to ask those questions and then they just get surprised with this annual bill that's like what is this?" Especially if they didn't know about it and they didn't budget for it. >> It's a pretty pretty big chunk. Council Lake, >> did did you say or can you remind us or do you know what the amount is per year per square foot? Is that how it's done? >> Um so last year um >> per month or >> a little over 2.96 cents per square foot. Uh >> that's what they start at. Um, did >> you say 96 or 69? >> 2.9%. >> Oh, 2.9%. >> Oh, 2.9 square foot. >> 2 I'm sorry. 2.96 cents per square foot on the upcoming bill. >> 2.96 cents per square foot of whatever your building is. >> Yeah. >> So, per per year. >> That's the um services component. There's also the debt component >> and then >> um >> capital cost component. 4.3 cents per square foot. >> 2.96 plus 4.3 $726 per square foot. >> So it's on the square footage of the land and the square footage of the building. >> It's seven $7.26. I got you. >> Is that right? Is that the total although added up? Is that right? >> Yeah. >> Seven cents. has the actual >> Yeah. So it's seven bucks per 100 square >> ish 70 bucks for thousand >> 700 bucks for 10,000. says three. >> So it's and I think I don't know I think they >> I just think is there a place where people can can look online and see put their address in and see if they're in one of these >> districts. >> I'd have to look at our website to see see because we have a lot of different things on the website and I'd have to see if this assessment district is called out. a lot of some of the economic development items. This might have been something that was included, but I'm not sure without looking. Certainly, try to find >> empower consumers to know where to look up these things so they don't feel like the first time they're hearing it is when they're getting a bill. >> Yeah. >> Um were you going to confirm that that number? >> So, I did bring down some information, but um I didn't add it all up so I could give you the breakdown. So what we do is we have this handy dandy little spreadsheet and we charge um per for the whole land and building and um so there's a capital of 4.3% um >> not since cents >> since sorry um and it does go up a little bit every year. I guess I just wasn't prepared what uh the total percentage would be. So, oh, of the assessment. Okay. So, we're in >> I have to back into the numbers. I can't see. I can't tell while we're doing that. >> I thought this was the geographic area. >> Yeah, I think there's a little >> it's inspiral loop. So, it's everybody within their um with the exception of federal government and churches. >> Federal government what? churches, religious >> think street. It goes to like 15th or something. I >> think so. >> I think it's just >> Yeah, there there's a map. We just didn't bring it with us. >> I think we just need to be able to let people know where to look it up if they're looking to move into that area to really understand all the >> and and to read their lease agreements, triple net leases or whatever they're getting, you know, see what all the fine print says. >> Right. Okay. Anyone else before we continue on and maybe when you get that number? >> All right. Anyone else? Okay. Are we almost done? Item number six, resolution approving the program year 2026 annual action plan uh beginning uh July 1st60 funded by fund improvement partnerships act solutions grant ESG uh funds housing opportunities for persons with AIDS funds authorization authorizing the mayor to submit a final statement and to sign all assurances, understandings, and contracts associated with said grants from the United States Department of Housing and Urban Development and in accordance with all requirements. >> Morning councilors. Uh this is just a resolution that accompanies the recommendations that you've already approved. So this is just the next step in the process. >> Any questions? Thank you so much. All right. Item number seven, uh, discussion regarding housing or, uh, HUD community development committee recommendations for reallocation of additional CDBG-CV program funds. Uh, per the requirement of the CDBG and CV funding, all funds must be expended by June 4th. Biden was still here. People from the Sunni population here in Tulsa reached out to us about having a friendship with the Sunumi um city of Sunumi in Ukraine, literally just a few miles from the front lines in Ukraine. And so we thought that was a good idea for us to do. And so actually when Mayor Nichols came on board, he and Aaron York kind of took the ball, ran with it and created this friendship with Sunumi. They've been here to visit. We met up with their officials as well. Had many calls with them, um, Zoom calls with them as well. And just think it's a great thing for us to do based on what they're doing. We also have some business connections as well. So we have some residents who live here in Tulsa and the Oage Nation is working with Ukraine actually on some drone um technology and manufacturing as well. So there's that business connection, there's that cultural connection and you know I think it's a valuable friendship for us to have with a city. Hopefully at one point we'll get to a point where they'll become one of our sister cities. It's just the first stage of building that relationship. >> Wow. Anyone else want to >> what Aaron said he did masterfully. I I would say that they are delightful people. I got to go to dinner with five individuals from Sunumi and uh one of them being their governor, maybe their two or three time governor. Um he was in and out of office. But um you're just very gentle um kind individuals who were very happy to come and have this partnership with the city of Tulsa. And um I know that Aaron and others went up did the the deputy mayor also went up to Washington DC to actually sign >> Aaron York was the one who went up to Washington DC and actually signed the French agreement on our behalf. >> Yeah. to their embassy to the Ukrainian embassy in DC. >> Tremendous. Anyone else? Well, that's great. All right. Thank you so much, Aaron. >> Thank you, sir. >> All right. Item number nine, discussion on the selection of an alternative city councelor to serve on the independent review panel for vision arts grant application. >> Not it. >> Who did we pick this up? Well, I thought it was you. Oh, yes. So, um, but I was I was out on leave when that selection was made. >> That's why that's why you were picked. >> I know. And like I recall from the prior year that counselor Archie had expressed interest. Um, and the amount of time commitment that it takes, I just can't commit to this. Like, it is a really labor intensive review process. And I had recalled how much counselor Archie the prior year had expressed interest. >> Sure. So I was like, we should bring it back for him to do it because I will not end up like >> Oh, so this was your item >> kind of. Well, it was just like it was um >> Ashanti was like, hey, she said that we can't even I wish they brought this to our attention sooner. They're like, we can't move forward until we know on on >> the vision grants until we know we're moving >> until we know the council reps. And I was like, you I was like, you don't want me to participate because it's so many materials to sort through. >> Yeah. >> And so I was hoisting it. Well, let's see. >> So, go ahead, please. Councelor Lake. Oh, you would do a >> Well, let's Well, look, I am here to serve. Okay. And >> you don't want it. You're You're the artist over here. >> No, not I can't sell any of the refrigerator art that I've made yet. >> So, obviously, I'm not Well, when the gift shop opens, >> he probably actually has a conflict as an artist. >> I'm not an artist, so no conflicts here, but um do any of those. So, musical artist. >> Oh, yeah. I guess so. Musical artist. Should we talk about this after the meeting then, counselor, or do we need to decide now? >> This is it. >> No, no, no. This is it. We're decide now. >> Okay. >> We're not deciding. We're not taking any hours. We're discussing your genuine interest. >> Oh, sure. >> But I'm happy to tell you about how labor intensive the process is. >> Yeah. I'd like to grill this guy to see how much he knows about art. >> Super. >> Tell us about your background in art history. >> No kidding. Um, anyway, that takes like 30 seconds. >> It is a really cool process. I know I just said it's intensive, >> right? How many like how many 10 hours a week or something? >> Well, it's it's more so it really varies. So, I I'll just verbalize to all of us and this is something like I look forward to maybe discussing with Ashanti at some point as she even looks at the process for the vision arts grants. It's just what even the nonprofit entities or the artists are have to submit is a lot of documentation, a lot of budget materials and a lot of statements including showing the economic impact and so much else their marketing plans. It's just a lot of material to sort through which you could like probably systematize your approach to that. But there's just a lot and then there's rating criteria and rubrics to then fill out to go with that. And so it's just a lot of >> in in the platform itself of what you have to sort through to look at. It just could take a lot. Now, in prior years, they've had, you know, you're sometimes you're looking at 30 plus 40 applications of pretty elaborate materials. It sounds like they have had less submissions than in past years, but it's it's just a lot to go through. Sure. Um, >> you know, I found that if I just set aside where, you know, two or three big chunks of time, I could carve that out and do it. But it was a lot. I don't know. It's a lot. >> I hope we make it less intensive for everyone in the >> There's a time frame that it all has to be >> done. And then you have like follow the like an actual meeting or two of convening where everyone discusses to determine the actual allocation. >> Right. And so I mean it really is very timeconuming and I see why now I was asked to do it. >> The only other thing I will counselor >> the the other piece I will add is on the plus side the actual city staff already goes through to ensure basic eligibility criteria are met. Like you're not looking for those elements. So there is certain due diligence done in advance. So you're only really looking at eligible applications. So some of that is cleared out and it is they do have less applications than in past years which we could unpack if that's also cumbersome to do. >> It's um >> oh my gosh we finish this anyway discussion. Yeah this discussion but anyway this is all to say like I think it could become a smoother shorter process but that's not about to happen this year. >> To say better you than me. >> Yeah. Um, but I think it's a good thing for everyone to experience doing because you do learn a lot about arts and culture organizations and you get to help ensure that people have access to resource >> to put art into our community and that's great. So, it's worth doing. I just understand that it's not something that all of us can do every year. >> True. >> Yeah, >> absolutely. >> My time. >> Okay. Well, then I will I'll set aside those chunks here. >> Our our chair is pushing us. She's not saying the whole >> We just can't live here forever. >> Squirrel. >> Yeah. >> All right, everyone. 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