>> I NOW DECLARE THAT THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING IS RECONVENED IN OPEN SESSION, THAT ALL COUNCILMEMBERS ARE PRESENT. OUR FIRST ITEM IS PRELIMINARY AGENDAS IS CONSIDERATION AND ACTION RESULTING FROM THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. CAN I GET A MOTION ON THE APPOINTMENTS AND REAPPOINTMENTS ON ITEM 1? FIRST ITEM, MAYOR PRO TEM, REAPPOINTING KAYCI PRINCE. SECOND ITEM, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM -- >> SHE'S MAKING US VOTE ONE A TIME. >> Mayor Muns: ONE AT A TIME. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND FOR MAYOR PRO TEM. SORRY. >> SECOND. [ LAUGHTER ] >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO REAPPOINT KAYCI PRINCE AS THE MAYOR PRO TEM. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, REAPPOINTMENT OF MARIA TU. >> MOTION MADE. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. THANK YOU. BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. >> MR. MAYOR, WE WILL BE REAPPOINTING MR. WAYNE ROCK THIS EVENING, COUNCILMEMBER RICCIARDELLI AND I, THERE ARE TWO RESIGNATIONS ON THIS, SO WE WILL BE DEFERRING THOSE UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING. WE WILL KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE AT LEAST TWO OPENINGS. COULD BE A POSSIBILITY OF FOUR, BUT WE AT THIS POINT, WE'LL BE MAKING A MOTION TO REAPPOINT WAYNE ROCK AND HAVING TWO, POSSIBLY FOUR VACANCIES. >> Ricciardelli: SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. THE MOTION AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. THANK YOU. BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION. >> MAYOR, WE'D LIKE TO TABLE THIS UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING. WE WILL HAVE AT LEAST ONE VACANCY. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND FOR THE TABLING? SECOND. THANK YOU ALL IN FAVOR OF THE TABLING. HERITAGE COMMISSION? >> MAYOR, WE DO NOT -- ACTUALLY, WE WILL BE APPOINTING -- THANK YOU, MR. SM. >> DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM AND I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS, AND WE'LL BE REAPPOINTING THE THREE MEMBER WHOSE TERM WERE EXPIRING. WE'LL BE REAPPOINTING (INDISCERNIBLE), KAREN BOWEN AND JANE WATSON, LEAVING NO VACANCIES. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN SMITH, FOR YOUR HELP. >> Mayor Muns: DID YOU SECOND THAT? >> I SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES. PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. >> MR. MAYOR, MAYOR PRO TEM AND I HAVE CONFERRED ON THIS. WE WILL BE REAPPOINTING THIS EVENING TWO INDIVIDUALS, ONE INDIVIDUAL IS TERMED OUT SO THEREFORE I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO REAPPOINT CARE GARY AND DAVID DOWNS, LEAVING ONE VACANCY, WE WILL HAVE ONE THAT IS TERMED OUT, ARTHUR STONE. >> Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> Mayor Muns: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. FAALL IN FAVOR, PLANNING AND ZONING. OKAY. MOTION PASSES. ITEM 2, ANIMAL SHELTER ADVISORY COMMITTEE? >> OH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI AND I HAVE CONFERRED AND WE'LL HAVE ONE RESIGNATION AND THENE'LL BE REAPPOINTING THE THREE OTHER INDIVIDUALS WHO WILL BE TERM COMING UP, THAT WILL BE JAMIE CANTRELL, LUIS CHEN, AND TAMMY CHOW HAYES. >> Ricciardelli: SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: MOTION AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE ANIMAL SHELTER REAPPOINTMENTS. PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION PASSES. CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I RECOMMEND REAPPOINTING JOE PARKS TO THE THE CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION. >> Mayor Muns: MOTION MADE. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON CIVIL SERVICE COMMISSION. ALL IN FAVOR. THANK YOU, MOTION PASS. COMMUNITY RELATIONS COMMISSION? >> COUNCILMEMBER SMITH AND I HAVE DISCUSSED AND WE WILL BE APPOINTING TOM ADARE, STEPHANIE MACE, VIDAL QUINTANILLA AND (INDISCERNIBLE) LEAVING ZERO VACANCIES. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO REAPPOINT. ALL IN FAVOR? THANK YOU, MOTION PASSES. CULTURAL ART COMMISSION? >> WE DIDN'T DISCUSS NAMES BUT WE'RE REAPPOINTING, CORRECT? SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REAPPOINT ELISA CLEIN AND EMILY MORE AND WE ANTICIPATE BEING TWO VACANCIES. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FOR THE CULTURAL ARTS COMMISSION. ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION PASSES. LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD. >> Ricciardelli: MR. MAYOR, COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS AND I HAVE CONFERRED AND WE WOULD LIKE TO TABLE THIS ITEM UNTIL NEXT TIME, SO I'LL MOVE TO TABLE. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO TABLE THE LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL RIGHT, MOTION PASSES. PARKS AND REC PLANNING BOARD. >> MR. MAYOR, BOTH COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI AND I HAVE CONFER AND WE AGREE TO APPOINT- TO REAPPOINT YING SAO, AND THAT WOULD LEAVE THREE VACANCIES. >> Ricciardelli: SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND FOR PARKS AND REC PLANNING BOARD. ALL IN FAVOR? THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES. PLANO HOUSING AUTHORITY, THERE ARE TWO REAPPOINTMENTS AND BOTH HAVE BEEN ON FOR FOUR AND A HALF TERMS AND SIX AND A HALF TERMS, SO I AM RECOMMENDIN NOT REAPPOINTING, SO THAT WILL LEAVE US WITH TWO VACANCIES ON THE PLANO HOUSING AUTHORITY. >> Ricciardelli: SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE REAPPOINTMENTS OF PLANO HOUSING AUTHORITY. MOTION PASSES. RETIREMENT SECURITY PLAN COMMITTEE. >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I RECOMMEND REAPPOINTING CHRIS BIGGERSTAFF, JERRY SMITH AND GINNY, LEAVING ONE VACANCY. >> MOTION MADE. >> Mayor Muns: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE RETIREMENT COMMITTEE PLAN COMMITTEE. MOTION PASSES. >> MR. MAYOR, COUNCILMAN SMITH AND I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS ITEM. WE WILL BE REAPPOINTING PAULA BOUDREAUX AND MARY JACOBS THIS EVENING LEAVING THREE VACANCIES. >> OKAY. DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> Smith :MITH. >> Mayor Muns: I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE SENIOR ADVISORY BOARD. ALL IN FAVOR? THANK YOU. LAST TAX INCREMENT FINANCING REINVESTMENT ZONE NUMBER 4. >> MAYOR, AFTER SPEAKING WITH MAYOR PRO TEM PRINCE, WE WOULD LIKE TO REAPPOINT DAVID BARGE, RICHARD CO, JOHN DONOVAN, RYAN BUECHE, DOUGLAS REECE, SHEP STALL, AND REAPPOINT SHEP STALL AS CHAIR. >> May Muns: ALL RIGHT. >> LEAVING TWO VACANCIES, YES, THANK YOU. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: DID YOU GET THAT LISA? ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE TAX INCREMENT FINANCING ZONE, NUMBER 4 BOARD, ALL IN FAVOR? THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES. NEXT ITEM IS ONCOR DELIVERY PRESENTATION. >> WELCOME, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, PAUL HERNANDEZ, ONCOR ELECTRIC. ALSO CITIZEN. HERE TO REALLY TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE, YOU KNOW, IN THIS VERY EARLY HOT SUMMER, I DON'T HAVE A PRESENTATION PER SE, BUT MORE WANTING TO COMMUNICATE OUR EFFORTS AND ALSO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, SO FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO SAY WE ALWAYS START PREPARATIONS EARLY ON, BASICALLY IN JANUARY, TO AGAIN PREPARE FOR THE PEAK SEASON OF SUMMER LOADING, AND THOUSANDS OF PIECES OF EQUIPMENT GET LOOKED AT. YOU KNOW, EVERY -- EVERY CIRCUIT WE HAVE IN OUR SYSTEM IS MODELED AND EVERYTHING IS REVIEWED. DURING THE YEAR, DURING THE WINTER, DURING THE SUMMER, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE STORMS, EQUIPMENT IS STRESSED BY -- FROM THINGS, OUTAGES, FAULT CURRENTS LIGHTNING THINGS LIKE THAT, AND GENERALLY DURING THAT FIRST HEAT WAVE WHICH IS EARLY THIS YEAR, WE FIND WE CAN'T ALWAYS -- WE DON'T HAVE ALL THEIGHT EQUIPMENT THAT CAN TELL US WE'RE IN TROUBLE OR WE HAVE AN ISSUE. WE CAN DO A LOT OF ANALYTICS. WE HAVE OUR ADVANCE METERS THAT WE CAN STUDY AND LOOK AND TRY TO DO PROACTIVE MAINTENANCE AND PROACTIVE REPLACEMENTS ON LOADING, BUT SOME OF OUR EQUIPMENT, WE JUST CAN'T TELL WHAT TYPE OF CONDITION IT'S IN. JUST WON'T -- IT DOESN'T LET US KNOW, SO SOMETIMES WE FIND THOSE SPOTS THAT CAN GIVE US CHALLENGES, AND A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, WE DID HAVE A LARGE CHALLENGE IN PLANO, IT WASIND OF A LITTLEIT O A CASCADING, EVEN THOUGH THE POCKET OF OUTAGES WAS SMALL, IT AFFECTED ABOUT 400 ACCOUNTS, WHICH, AGAIN, IS A FAIRLY SMALL AND NORMAL THING, BUT WHEN WE'LL SEND OUT OUR TROUBLE MAN, YOU KNOW, ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT WHENEVER THESE OUTAGES ARE OCCURRING, THEY'RE OUT THERE TO REVIEW THE ISSUE AND REPAIR IT AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE, WELL, WE STARTED FINDING THAT EVERY TIME THEY REVIEWED SOMETHING, THEY FOUND A NEED FOR EQUIPMENT UP AND A CREWS NECESSARYMADE TO COME AND REPLACE THE ENTIRE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. SO -- AND THAT HAPPENED TIME AFTER TIME AFTER TIME, AND WE RECOGNIZED, OKAY, WE'VE GOT TO OPEN OUR DESK TO START MANAGING ALL THESE WORK ORDERS AND TICKETS AND CREWS AND PERSONNEL ARE BROUGHT IN TO PREPARE FOR ALL OF THAT AND TO GET POWER ON AS QUICKLY AND SAFELY AS POSSIBLE. SO THIS ACTUALLY THIS PAST WEEKEND, WE STAGED -- AND THANK YOU TO PLANO ISD, WE STAGED CLARK STADIUM IN PREPARATION FOR, YOU KNOW, POSSIE HEAT AND THE CHALLENGES, AND FORTUNATELY, IT WAS ACTUALLY VERY SMOOTH. WE DIDN'T HAVE TOO MANY. WE HAD A FEW, BUT NOT MANY. AND NOT ALL OUTAGES THAT OCCUR ARE RELATED TO HEAT. I WAS OUT FOR ALMOST FOUR HOURS AND WE HAD SEVERAL OUTAGES IN ALLEN AND McKINNEY FROM VEHICLE ACCIDENTS JUST RUNNING INTO STUFF AND CAUSING LARGE OUTAGES ON OUR FEEDERS, SO IT'S NOT ALWAYS HEAT-RATED, BUT SOMETHING WE TRY VERY HARD TO PREPARE FOR, WE THINK WE'RE PRETTY GOOD AT IT, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY. >> Mayor Muns: BE GLAD TO. MAYOR PRO TEM? >> THANKS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE AVERAGE THANKS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE AVERAGE USEFUL LIFE OF A TRANSFORMER IS? >> THERE ARE TRANSFORMERS OUT THERE THAT ARE VERY OLD. A TRANSFORMEROESN'T HAVE ANY IT SITS IN SOME OIL, AND IT CAN RUN FOR A VERY LONG TIME. THEY CAN LAST 50 YEARS. SOME BRAND NEW ONES WILL FAIL AFTER THREE YEARS BECAUSE OF SOMETHING THAT WASN'T CAUGHT IN THE MANUFACTURING. THERE'S NOT REALLY A SET LIFE SPAN FOR A TRANSFORMER. WE HAD SOME LARGE OUTAGES, AND THEN EVERYTHING CAME ON AT ONE TIME.pTHEN OVER THE COURSE OF TR PEOPLE MAYBE ADD AN ADDITION OR A SWIMMING POOL, AND THEN MAYBE THE TRANSFORMER FINDS THE BRINK, AND IT FAILS. GENERALLY, THOSE FUSES ARE PROTECTING THOSE TRANSFORMERS. SOMETIMES THEY FAIL, AND WE HAVE TO REPLACE THEM. I WILL SAY THAT EVERYTHING THAT WAS ADDRESSED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, EVERYTHING WAS UPSIZED FOR THE GROWTH AND THE OVERLOAD JUST TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE A RECURRENCE ANY TIME SOON. ZU MENTIONED EVERY YEAR YOU DO -- THAT SURPRISED ME THAT YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO TELL WHAT SHAPE YOUR EQUIPMENT IS IN. MY QUESTION IS, DO YOU HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE IN ENCORE WHERE YOU SET ASIDE A PERCENTAGE OF YOUR BUDGET EACH YEAR FOR PROACTIVE REPLACEMENT VERSUS REACTIVE REPLACEMENT WAITING FOR A TRANSFORMER TO FAIL? >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. WE DO. WE DO A LOT OF PROACTIVE MAINTENANCE. IT STARTS IN JANUARY WHERE EVERYTHING IS LOOKED AT. A LOT OF EQUIPMENT IS LOOKED AT. OUR LARGER SYSTEMS ARE LOOKED AT. WE USE DRONES AND HELICOPTERS TO MAKE SURE AND IDENTIFY ANY ISSUES THAT ARE GOING TO AFFECT LARGE OR BULK POWER SYSTEMS. THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF EQUIPMENT ARE LOOKED AT PROACTIVELY. WE CAN'T ANTICIPATE SOMEONE HITTING A -- WELL, SPECIFICALLY I GUESS FOR TRANSFORMERS, SOMETIMES THEY FAIL BECAUSE THERE'S AN OUTBOUND INSIDE. SOMETIMES -- MOST OF THE TIME WE CAN TELL OVER THE DURATION -- EXCUSE ME -- THAT THE LOADING IS FINE ON IT BECAUSE OUR ADVANCED METER SYSTEM ALLOWS US TO SEE IS THERENYTHING THERE THAT COULD BE OVERLOADED THAT'S GOING TO BE REPLACED. WE DO PROACTIVE WORK TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. AGAIN, I'VE BEEN HERE EIGHT YEARS NOW, AND THIS IS THE FIRST OUTAGE. THIS WAS JUST EIGHT CUSTOMERS, BUT THEY WERE OUT FOR A LONG TIME, AND IT'S A BIG HARDSHIP. WE WORKED ALL WEEKEND 24/7 UNTIL WE GOT ALL THOSE LIGHTS BACK ON, BUT SOMETIMES THOSE TRANSFORMERS FAIL, AND WE HAVE TO GET OUT THERE AND REPLACE THEM. >> I JUST HAVE O LAS QUESTION. IF YOU CAN SEE THAT TRANSFORMERS ARE ALREADY OVERLOADED, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THOSE ARE YOU IN OUR CITY ARE YOU GOING TO BE ABLE TO REPLACE PRIOR TO THEM GETTING OVERLOADED AND FAILING? >> WELL, I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC NUMBER FOR YOU, BUT I WILL SAY THAT IT ALL IS LOOKED AT. WE DO LOOK AT THOSE. ANYTHING THAT MEETINGS A CRITERIA TO SAY, HEY, THAT IS OVER OUR LOADING GUIDELINES, WE WILL PROACTIVELY REPLACE IT. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT. I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT I WANTED TO RELAY TO ENCORE THREE CONCERNS THAT I CONTINUALLY SEE, AND I CONTINUALLY HEAR. WITHIN THE CITY. AROUND THEY THEY LONT LOOK SAFE. THEY LOOK LIKE THEY'RE LEANING. I WANT TO REGISTER THAT THERE'S A CONCERN FOR THAT. I WANT TO REGISTER WITH ENCORE THAT THERE'S A CONCERN WITH INTERSECTIONS WHERE WORK HAS TO BE DONE BY ENCORE, AND IT ISN'T DONE FOR A VERY LONG PERIOD OF TIME CAUSING ISSUES IN TRAFFIC, ISSUES WITH US BUILDING TURNING LANES OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO DO. FINALLY, I WANT TO REGISTER WITH ENCORE THE LOCATION OF SOME EQUIPMENT THAT IS DONE IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT SIMPLY IS NOT ATTRACTIVE TO BE LOCATED BEHIND RESIDENTIAL HOMES, BUT IT'S LOCATED BEHIND RESIDENTIAL HOMES WHEN FOR SOME REASON IT COULD BE LOCATED SOMEWHERE ELSE. CITIZENS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. CITIZENS REGISTER OPINIONS ABOUT THAT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE ENCORE UNDERSTANDS THAT THERE IS SOMETIMES ANAESTHETIC DISLIKE TO HEAVY EQUIPMENT BEING LOCATED ON POLES BEHIND HOMES. ZIL >> I DO UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN ABOUT POLES. WE HAVE OF REPLACED POLE THAT IS BELONG TO OTHER UTILITIES. WE'VE STRAIGHTENED THOSE AND STRAIGHTENED SOME OF OUR OWN, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE CITY TO FIND OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. WE ARE TRYING TO GROW A MORE -- SYSTEM. RATHER THAN LEAVING PEOPLE OUR POWER, THESE EVENTS WHICH CAN MAYBE GET 70% OF THAT BACK ON BY ISOLATING THE ISSUE, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE THERE FOR. THEY'RE BIG. THEY'RE -- THEY DON'T LOOK GREAT IF YOU ARE LOOKING AT THEM FROM A SWIMMING POOL. I DO GET THAT. WE WILL STRIVE -- I HAVE VOICED OUR DESIGN FOLKS TO, HEY, IF YOU ARE GOING TO PLACE A SWITCH IN PLANO, COME TALK TO ME FIRST SO WE CAN SEE THE BEST OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CL CLEAR. >> MR. HERNÁNDEZ, I DON'T REMEMBER IF YOU WERE THE MESSENGER AFTER THE ELECTRICITY WAS KNOCKED OUT IN 2021. WERE YOU THE MESSENGER AT THAT TIME AS WELL? >> YES, AFTER -- ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT AFTER THE SECOND WINTER STORM IN 2021? >> AFTER THE FEBRUARY -- OKAY. I APOLOGIZE THAT YOU WILL BE, AGAIN, THE TARGET OF MY HEAT OF ANGE AND ALL PUNS INTENDED. IN 2021 JUST TWO DAYS BEFORE THE SNOWSTORM IT KNOCKED OFF ALL THE POWER AND ELECTRICITY AND HEAT IN MY HOUSE, MY HUSBAND PASS WEAPON OF MAPASSED AWAY. I WAS GOING THROUGH SOME PTSD TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED HAD THE ELECTRICITY GONE OUT DURING THE TIME IN WHICH MY HUSBAND PASSED AWAY. WHERE WOULD I GET ANSPORTATION TO ASSIST MY HUSBAND? WHERE WOULD I GET MEDICAL SUPPORT? HOW WAS I EVER GOING TO KEEP HIM WARM UNTIL THE TIME THAT HE IS ABLE TO GO ON AN AMBULANCE ANYWHERE BECAUSE THERE'S NO TRANSPORTATION, THERE IS NO POWER, AND THERE IS NO ELECTRICITY? I CAN'T MAKE HIM GO ANYWHERE AT THAT TIME. WITH THIS CURRENT THEME THAT RAN THROUGH THIS WEEK, IT SORT OF BROUGHT IT ALL TO THE FOREFRONT A LUCKILY, IT'S NOT A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, BUT STILL, WE'RE DEALING WITH PEOPLE'S LIVES, AREN'T WE? I MEAN, WE ARE NOT JUST DEALING WITH ELECTRICITY. WE ARE DEALING WITH SOME SENIOR CITIZENS WHO CANNOT GO ANYWHERE, WHO CANNOT KEEP THEMSELVES COOL AND WHO NEED ELECTRICITY IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE. IT'S NOT THE YOUNGER PEOPLE I'M WORRIED ABOUT. IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO CANNOT AT THIS POINT BE ABLE TO TRANSPORT THEMSELVES OR TO BE ABLE TO CALL ANYBODY FOR ASSISTANCE. THE LAST TIME I ASKED WHETHER THERE WAS A NOTICE OR RESOLUTION THAT YOU COULD PUT IN PLACE TO HELP RESOLVE SOME OF THE SITUATION WHERE LONG TIMES OF OUTAGE COULD BE RESOLVED WITHOUT HAVING THESE TRAUMATIC EVENTS HAPPENING. SO I WANT TO KNOW NOW. I THINK IT'S BEEN MORE THAN SIX MONTHS NOW. HAVE YOU PUTNY NICES IN PLACE FOR THESE TYPE OF SITUATIONS WHERE ELECTRICITY IS GOING TO BE OUT AND NODES NEED TO BE GIVEN TO SOMEBODY TO HELP THEM TRY TO RESOLVE THESE ISSUES? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT'S IN PLACE TO HELP OUR CITIZENS AND OUR RESIDENTS? THAT'S ALL. >> WITH THE WINTER STORM YURI, THAT'S BEEN LOOKED AT. THAT WAS SYSTEM-WIDE EVENT. LAST YEAR THE WINTER -- SOMEWHAT THE SAME THING. THIS HEAT SITUATION WAS KIND OF GRANULAR. I WAS ON THE PHONE WITH OUR COMMUNICATIONS FOLKS THAT WEEKEND SATURDAY NIGHT AND SUNDAY MORNING TOE WHAT TYPE OF MESSAGING WE COULD PROVIDE. THE SYSTEM PERFORMED EVEN HERE IN PLANO IT PERFORMED PRETTY WELL. YOU KNOW, THE EXTENDED OUTAGES WERE PROBABLY LESS THAN .4 OF 1% OF WHO WE SERVE IN PLANO, BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER. THOSE FOLKS ARE OUT, AND THEY'RE DEALING WITH HARDSHIPS, AND I GET THAT. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS LOOKING FOR SOME MESSAGING THAT WE COULD PROVIDE GRANULARLY. WE COU LOOKING AT GRANULAR REACH TO SECTIONS OF THE CITY. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING ON. THIS RECENT HEAT OUTAGE WAS TIE DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE A SYSTEM-WIDE MESSAGE THAT OUTAGES SOMEWHERE ELSE COULD BE RESTORED IN A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME, BUT RIGHT HERE WE HAD ALL THESE TICKETS WHERE ALL THIS EQUIPMENT HAD TO BE REPLACED INSTEAD OF JUST REFUSED, WHICH WOULD TAKE A LONGER AMOUNT OF TIME. SO FOLKS HERE IN THIS AREA WERE OUT 12 HOURS, 16 HOURS, 18 HOURS AND WE G THAT. WE ARE WORKING. SINCE THE OCCURRENCE, I'VE BEEN TALKING TO OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT, AND ALSO, WITH OUR -- NOT JUST COMMUNICATIONS, BUT OUR CONTACT CENTER THAT HANDLES A LOT OF OUR MESSAGING WITH REGARD TO OUR MY ENCORE APP OR MY ENCORE, WHICH WE ASK EVERYONE. IT'S A REAL SIMPLE WAY TO REGISTER ON MY ENCORE ALERTS. YOU JUST NEED YOUR ACCOUNT INFORMATION. YOU GO REGISTER AND YOU GO THRO. WE'RE NOT THERE QUITE YET, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO START GOING DOWN TO THE ZIP CODE TO ALERT THOSE FOLKS THAT IT THE TIME WILL BE MORE THAN WE THOUGHT. WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE FIELD, AND WE'RE FINDING AND SEEING THOSE TICKETS WHERE WE HAVE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT. WE'RE NOT QUITE AGILE ENOUGH, AS YOU SAY, WHERE WE NEED TO GET THAT MESSAGING TO T FOLKS WHO E BEINGAFFECTED. >> MR. HERNÁNDEZ, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE THE MESSENGER, AND I UNDERSTAND. MY POINT IS THAT THE SNOWSTORM LAST YEAR WAS SOME SORT OF A SURPRISE, BUT HEAT IN TEXAS IS NOT. EVERY SUMMER WE GET THIS HOT. EVERY SUMMER ENCORE HAS TO BE UPDATED AND HAVE A SITUATION THAT WILL NOT LEAVE OUR SENIOR CITIZENS AND OUR DISABLED OUT IN A RESIDENCE WITH NO ELECTRICITY, NO COOLING POSSIBILITY. WE'RE SORT OF AT YOUR MERCY. WE DON'T HAVE A WAY OF TELLING YOU, LOOK, YOU HAVE TO DO THIS. WE'RE BEGGING YOU TO, PLEASE, MAKE SURE THAT YOUR EQUIPMENT THAT CAN BE UPDATED, DON'T WAIT UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE TO DO SO. YOU KNOW THE OLDEST PART OF OUR CITY. WHY DON'T WE START THERE AND START WORKING ON IT EVEN BEFORE WE REALI THAT EQUIPMENT IS STARTING TO FAIL? EVEN MAINTENANCE ON A REGULAR BASIS WOULD HELP. I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE -- WE'RE SORT OF PUTTING OUR LIVES IN YOUR HANDS. I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE WORKING ON NOTICES, BUT I'VE BEEN HEARING THAT SINCE SIX MONTHS AGO. AT THIS POINT I'M STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE I-N-G BEHIND THE WORDS. I APPRECIATE YOU, MR. HERNÁNDEZ, YOU BEING HERE, BUT I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW MY FRUSTRATIONS. >> I GET THAT, AND I LIVE ON THE EAST SIDE AS WELL, AND WE DID EXPERIENCE SOME OUTAGES OVER THERE, BUT THEY WEREN'T HEAT-RELATED OUTAGES. WE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH EQUIPMENT AND POWER LINES AND BREAKING POLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT DID HAPPEN. I WAS OUT OF POWER. YOU MAY HAVE BEEN OUT OF POWER. EVERYTHING IS NOT HEAT-RELATED. SOMETIMES IT'S WILDLIFE, CAR ACCIDENTS THAT CAU OUTAGES, AND OUR FOLKS GET OUT THERE AND WORK 24/7 UNTIL WE GET IT ON. WE DO REVIEW THE SYSTEM. WE DO PROACTIVE MAINTENANCE. I'LL PLEDGE TO YOU THAT WILL CONTINUE. WE HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR. >> COUNCILMEMBER SMITH. >> I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE YOU COMING OUT. YOU ARE, INDEED, A BRAVE SOUL. WHAT CAN BE DONE CONTRACTUALLY TO LOOK AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT -- IS IT JUST THE SHEER BUILD AND THE MANPOWER AND THE EQUIPMENT AND GET THE REPAIRS DONE? FOR INSTANCE, WE TALKED ABOUT -- MAYOR PRO TEM WAS ASKING ABOUT THE TRANSFORMERS. I COULD SPEAK FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. HAVING HAD ONE ON MY DRIVEWAY EXPLODE AND BURST INTO FLAMES. NOT RECENTLY. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS GOOD. THEY SHOWED UP AND HELPED. THE FIRST CREW FROM ENCORE WAS PROMPT AND SHOWED UP. WHAT I CAME TO FIND OUT IS IT TOOK FOUR CREWS FROM ENCORE TO FIX ONE TRANSFORMER. ONE CREW WOULD SAY WE CANNLY DO X, Y, Z. THEN THE NEXT CREW WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT. IT TOOK ALMOST A FULL DAY TO GET THE POWER RESTORED TO PROBABLY A TWO-BLOCK AREA IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND INTO THE NEXT DAY UNTIL THE LAST CREW CAME OUT AND IT WAS ACTUALLY REPAIRED. THAT JUST SEEMS REDUNDANT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CONTRACTUAL ISSUES WITH YOUR WORKFORCE, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S DISCUSSED ABOUT TRYING TO IMPROVE THE EFFICIENCIES SO DELIVER EMERGENCY RAIRS TTHE COMMUNITY? THE CONTRACT SAYS YOU HAVE TO GET THE REPAIRS DONE. >> WE DON'T HAVE CONTRACTS FOR ANY SPECIFIC WORK WITH OUR CREWS. I WILL TELL YOU WHAT GENERALLY HAPPENS. 95% OF THE TIME IS THE TROUBLE MAN WILL SHOW UP AND FIND OUT WHAT THE ISSUE IS. OBVIOUSLY, IF IT'S A FIRE CALL LIKE THAT, WE'LL HAVE SOMEONE COME IN TO MITIGATE THAT AND MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE, AND WE'LL HAVE TO TURN SEGMENTS OF POWER OUT TO MAKE SURE IT'S SAFE BECAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE POWER TO THAT DAMAGED EQUIPMENT. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN A CREW THAT SHOWED UP TO LOOK AND SEE IF THEY COULD REPAIR IT, BUT MANY TIMES A BOOM TYPE TRUCK IS NEGLEC NECESSARY, AND MAYBE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT AT THAT TIME. IN A NON-FIRE SITUATION, GENERALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS A TROUBLE MAN WILL GO OUT AND TRY TO MAKE THE REPAIRS AND GET POWER BACK ON. HE DETERMINES THE TRANSFORMER IS FAILED AND NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. HE ISSUES A TICKET THAT ANOTHER CREW SHOWS UP AS SOON AS THEY CAN GET THERE AND REPAIRS IT -- AND REPLACE IT AS QUICKLY AND SAFELYS POSSIBLE. THAT'S GENERALLY WHAT HAPPENS. FOR FOUR CREWS SHOWING UP, FOR ONE THAT'S AN ANOMALY TO ME. I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING. >> WELL, AND THE WAY IT WAS EXPLAINED TO ME, THAT'S JUST -- THAT'S THE WAY -- BASICALLY THIS IS THE WAY LITTLE. WE HAVE OUR RESPONSIBILITY. WE CAN DO THIS. WE CAN'T DO THAT. NEXT GROUP COMES. WE CAN DO THIS. WE CAN'T DO THAT. THAT'S THE NEXT CREW. NEXT CREW COMES OUT XSHGS THEY DO THEIR THING, AND THEN THE FOURTH CREW COMES OUT, AND THEN IT'S FINALLY FINISHED. IT JUST SEEMED LIKE WITH ALL THAT'SED GOING ON EECIAY WHEN WE HAVE A CRISIS LIKE WE HAD DURING THE WINTER STORM, A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON THERE, BUT DURING THE HEAT WAVE THAT THE ABILITY TO GET THINGS DONE AND TURN AROUND IN A QUICKER TIME FRAME COULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE WITH SOMEBODY HAVING A HEAT STROKE OR MEDICAL ISSUE OR SOMETHING ELSE. I JUST THINK YOU REALLY -- AS AN ORGANIZATION YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S THE IMPORTANT ISSUE. THINGS ARE GOING TO BREAK. THAT'S JUST A FACTS OF LIFE. THE ABILITY TO RESPOND TO IT EITHER PROACTIVELY AS MAYOR PRO TEM SAID AND TRY TO PARTICIPATE. IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I'VE BEEN THERE 18 YEARS. PRETTY MUCH FOR THE FIRST, OH, I DON'T KNOW, LET'S SAY, EIGHT YEARS OR SO WE LIVED THERE, WE JUST KNEW ONCE A MONTH WE COULD COUNT ON THE POWER GOING OFF. IT WAS GOING TO GO OFF AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH. THEN THERE WERE SOME UPGRADES DONE IN THE WHOLE PRESTON PARK ROAD AREA THERE, AND IT GOT A LOT BETTER, BUT WE STILL MOST LIKELY WE WILL LOSE OUR POWER. NOT JUST US, BUT IN OUR WHOLE AREA THERE, AT LEAST TWO TO THREE TIMES A YEAR, WITHOUT ANY STORM-RELATED ISSUES OR SOMETHING. COULD BE HEAT OR WHATEVER. THIS LAST ONE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS OR SO AGO OUR POWER WENT OFF FOR ABOUT TWO AND A HALF HOURS. MIDDLE OF THE DAY JUST, BOOP, GONE. THAT COULD HAVE BEEN THE OVERLOAD THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IN JUST A FEW HOMES. I THINK BEING ABLE TO GET THESE THINGS REPAIRED IN A TIMELY FASHION IS GOING TO DO EVERYBODY A WHOLE LOT OF GOOD. >> ONE THING WE CAN ALSO DO FOR HAPPY TO IF YOU DO HAVE RECURRING OUTAGES, PLEASE CONTACT US. WE CAN HAVE MYSELF OR A DISTRIBUTION SERVICE ADVISOR REVIEW THE HISTORY OF YOUR SERVICE. I WOULD LIKE FOR EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT, AND SEE IF THERE IS -- WE CAN DETERMINE A ROOT CAUSE BECAUSE IF YOU ARE EXPERIENCING THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO CORRECT. WE DO DO ANALYTICS. WE DO MAKE SURE THAT OUR FIGURES PERFORM, WHICH AFFECT MOST OF OUR CUSTOMERS. IF YOU HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL CONCERN ABOUT YOUR HOME, PLEASE CONTACT US. WE WILL DO A HISTORY AND LOOK AND SEE WHAT THE ISSUES WERE IN THE PAST AND AT LEAST GIVE YOU SOME UNDERSTANDING IF THERE WAS TREES AND WE GOT THEM TRIMMED OR THERE'S THE WILDLIFE OR GIVE YOU SOME UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE ROOT CAUSES ARE. >> THANK YOU, PAUL. >> COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT AND FACING THE HOT SEAT. PUNFULLY INTENDED. A COUPLE OF THINGS I HEARTED YOU SAY WHEN YOU WERE ADDRESSING DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM'S QUESTIONS ABOUT IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE HEAT. UNDERSTOOD, BUT THE GRID ALERTS, I WAS RECEIVING IN TEXT REPEATEO WEREN'T DUE TO WILDLIFE OR TREE LIMBS. IT WAS BECAUSE THERE WAS INCREASED DEMAND ON THE SYSTEM, AND NOT ENOUGH PRODUCTION OR FAULT TOLERANT INFRASTRUCTURE CAPABILITY. ANOTHER THING I HEARD YOU SAY, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IS THAT AFTER WINTER STORM YURI ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF AGO YOU TOOK A LOOK AT MESSAGING, BUT WHEN THIS STARTED HAPPENING EARLIER THIS MONTH, THERE WAS NO MESSAGING. IS THERE ACTUALLY ANY MESSAGING? >> YES, THERE IS MESSAGING WE HAVE. I MENTIONED SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO PROACTIVELY. DURING THE STORM ITSELF -- OR DURING THE HEAT-RELATED OUTAGES, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS AND LET FOLKS KNOW THAT -- THAT THOSE ESTIMATED TIMES OF RESTORATION MAY GET BUMPED. WE'RE WRG ON MESSAGING. AGAIN, I'LL MENTION THAT NOT SPEAKING FOR -- ENCORE DOES NOT OWN OR OPERATE ANY GENERATION FOR GRID, SO I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ARCOT, BUT ONEF MY SCREEN WAS PUT ON THE SYSTEM JUST TO LOOK AT THE MARGINS THIS SUMMER JUST TO MRASHGS HOW ARE WE DOING. FROM THE TIME -- EVERY TIME I WAS IN FRONT OF MY COMPUTER, IT SEEMED LIKE THE GRID MARGIN WAS FINE. >> UNDERSTOOD, YOU CAN'T ADDRESS ANYTHING FROM ERCOT. THE POINT IS IT WASN'T WILDLIFE OR TREE LIMBS. IT WAS A SYSTEMIC PROBLEM. WHAT ACTUALLY ENDED UP CAUSING THE POWER OUTAGES EXTENDED POWER OUTAGES WASHE INFRASTRUCTURE'S TRANSFORMER'S ABILITY OR INABILITY TO SUSTAIN THE INCREASED LOAD. >> YES. >> AND THAT IS ENCORE'S RESPONSIBILITY. >> ABSOLUTELY. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM TOO WAS K - TALKING ABOUT IS NOT, HEY, YOU HAVE A POWER OUTAGE. HEY, I ALREADY KNOW THAT. YOU'LL BE BACK ONLINE IN 15 HOURS. IT'S WHAT CAN YOU DO IMMEDIATELY? AND SHOULD YOU DO? A YEAR AND HALF AGO AND MY POWER DIDN'T GO OUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, BUT I HEARD FROM PEOPLE SAYING THAT TY KEPT HEARING IT WOULD BE BACK ONLOOIRN SOON. SOME PEOPLE NEED OXYGEN AND CERTAIN OTHER THINGS. THEIR SITUATION GROWS MORE DIRE AND HEARING THAT IT IS GOING TO COME BACK SOON AND IT DOESN'T COME BACK SOON, THAT'S INSUFFICIENT MESSAGING. THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT CAN OR SHOULD THEY DO IMMEDIATELY. >> THAT'S WHY I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE GRANULAR MESSAGING THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. >> I THINK YOU'VE HAD MORE THAN LONG ENOUGH TO WORK ON IT. SD >> AIN, THE ANOMALY IS WE CAN SEND OUT A SYSTEM-WIDE MESSAGE OR A MESSAGE FOR THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE GOING TO FACE. THE FACT IS EARLIER I MENTIONED -- I'M TALKING ABOUT PARTICULARLY A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO -- THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT PARTICULARLY -- WELL OVER 9.6% OF OUR SYSTEM WAS HUMMING RIGHT ALONG. WE HAD POCKETS OF OUTAGES THAT WERE CHALLENGES. EVEN THOUGH THAT'S A SMALL NUMBER, IT'S STILL VERY IMPORTANT TO US. WE -- THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO EVEN GETTING DOWN TO MESSAGING JUSTUR BLOCK HAVE STOMERS OR 200 CUSTOMERS. THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO BE FOR THESE SMAUM SMALL POCKETS THAT FOLKS ARE BEING OUT FOR TEN OR 15 HOURS AND WE HAVE TO DO BETTER MESSAGING, AND WE WILL DO TAT. >> IF ALL YOU'RE CAPABLE OF AT THE MOMENT IS SYSTEM-WIDE MESSAGING, AND I'M NOT EXPERIENCING A POWER OUTAGE, I'M ONE OF THE 99.6%. IF I SEE A MESSAGE THAT SAYS IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE AFFECTED BY THIS EXTENDED OUTAGE, HERE'S WHAT YOU CAN AND SHOULD DO, I DON'T MIND RECEIVING THAT AS SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT FECTED. >> YOU PROBABLY KNEW ABOUT THE PROBLEMS THAT WE VOICED TO YOU TODAY. >> YES, SIR. >> WE APPRECIATE YOU WORKING ON THEM AND CONTINUING TO TRY TO HELP IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY. >> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. >> I LIVE HERE, AND -- >> I KNOW YOU DO. >> YES, SIR. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. WE ARE NOW GOING TO SUSPEND THE PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING AND START THE REGULAR MEETING. WE'LL START THAT IN FOUR MINUTES. IT KEEPS US FROM BEING ABLE TO START THE NEXT ITEM. WE WILL ADJOURN FOR THREE MINUTES AND BE BACK. (BREAK) >> I NOW DECLARE THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL HAS RECONVENED IN OPEN SESSION. ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. WE'LL BEGIN TONIGHT'S REGULAR MEETING WITH THE INVOCATION LED BY DR. TERREN DAMES, AND AFTER THAT THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >> LET US PRAY. OUR FATHER, GOD, WE GLORIFY YOU FOR THIS DAY THAT YOU HAVE MADE. OUR HEARTSED REJOICE AND WE ARE GLAD IN IT. WE ARE GLAD FOR THE BREATH OF LIFE THAT WE HAVE HAD. WE ARE GLAD FOR EVERY OPPORTUNITY, OH GOD, YOU PLACE BEFORE US. FATHER, AS WE COME BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW, WE'RE PRAYING FOR THE CITY OF PLANO AND THIS COUNCIL. WE PRAY AND ASK THAT YOU GRANT UNTO THEM WISDOM, KNOWLEDGE, AND UNDERSTANDING. IF ANYONE LACKS WISDOM, GOD GIVES TO ALL MAN GENEROUSLY. IT WILL BE GIVEN P TO HIM WHEN HE ASKS IN FAITH. WE KNOW THA WE HAVE NOT THE SKILLS NOR THE ABILITY TO HAJZ ANY AFFAIRS, BUT IT IS ONLY BY YOUR SOVEREIGN GRACE THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN US THE MIND TO BE ABLE TO THINK AND TO COMPREHEND IN SUCH A WAY TO BRING HONOR AND GLORY TO YOUR NAME. I ASK WITH EACH MAN AND WOMAN REPRESENTED ON THIS BOARD, OH GOD, THAT YOU WOULD GRANT THEM THE WISDOM EVEN BEYOND THEIR YEARS, OH GOD, LIKE JUST AS YOU DID FOR KING SOLOMON SO THAT YOU WILL DO FOR THEM AS WELL. FATHER, FOR EVERYTHING THAT THEY DO, FATHER, I PRAY THAT IT WILL BE FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE CITY, ITS PEOPLE, AND FOR YOU, OH D, ULTIMATELY. I PRAY THAT YOU WATCHVER THEM AND LEAD THEM AND THAT YOU GUIDE AND DIRECT THEM AND THAT Y USE THEM MIGHTILY FOR YOUR GLORY. WE PRAY FOR THOSE IN AUTHORITY, AND AS I STAND HERE THIS DAY, I PRAY THAT YOU WRAP YOUR LOVING ARMS AROUND THEM BY YOUR GRACE, THAT YOU GRANT THEM THAT WHICH THEY NEED TO GOVERN THE CITY OF PLANO WITH EXCELLENCE. WE ASK THESE THINGS IN JESUS' NAME. AMEN. >> LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IN IN HONOR OF OUR UPCOMING INDEPENDENCE DAY -- [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] [TEXAS PLEDGE] PLEASE BE SEATED. >> IT'S MY HONOR TO CALL FORWARD RON SCHMIDT, DIRECTOR OF PLANO PARKS AND REC, RENEE JORDAN, PARK PLANNING MANAGER, SUZY HERGENRYDER, RECREATION SERVICE MANAGER, DAVE ANGELIS, PARK SERVICE MEMBER, AND KELLY CREMENS, PR COMMUNI OUTREACH SPECIALIST. IT'S MY HONOR TO READ THE PROCLAMATION OF PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH, JULY OF 2022. WHEREAS EACH YEAR 1985 JULY HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED AS NATIONAL PARKS AND RECREATION MONTH WITH THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES PASSING AN OFFICIAL RESOLUTION IN 2009. WHEREAS PARKS AND RECREATION RANKED FIRST IN TEXAS AND 15th IN THE U.S.N 2022. TRUS FOR PUBLIC LAND ANNUAL PARKS SCORE AND IS NATIONALLY ACCREDITED AND ALSO BEING A FOUR-TIME NATIONAL GOLD MEDAL WINNER. WHEREAS PARKS ARE IMPORTANT IN ESTABLISHING AND MAINTAINING THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR AND CONTRIBUTING TO THE PHYSICAL, ECONOMIC, AND ENVIRONMENTAL WELL-BEING OF COMMUNITIES. WHEREAS, FOR 50 YEARS THE PLANO PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT HAVE BEEN COMMITTED TO DELIVERING EXCEPTIONAL PROGRAMS AND SERVICES TO OUR RESIDENTS. AS A RESULT, PLANO PARK SYSTEM IS CONSISTENTLY RANKED AMONG THE TOP 20 CITIES IN THE NATION AND BOASTS 85 NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS WITH TWO BEING ALL-ABILITY PLAYGROUNDS AND SENIOR SENIOR AND TWO NATURE PRESERVES THAT TOTAL 1,000 ACRES, AMONG OTHERS. ESPECIALLY IMPRESSIVE IS THAT MORE THAN 75% OF OUR PLANO RESIDENTS LIVE WITHIN TEN MINUTES OF ANY ONE OF THESE BEAUTIFUL GREEN SPACES. ADDITIONAL AMENITIES LOCATED IN THE CITY INCLUDE 101 TURF SPORTS FIELDS PER SEASON, 61 BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL FIELDS, NINE SWIMMING POOLS AND 21 COURT, TENNIS, AND PICKLEBALL COURTS. 84 SHARED PISD TENNIS COURTS AND TWO 18-HOLE GOLF COURSES ENJOYED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR BY RESIDENTS. WHEREAS, PLANO IS COMMITTED TO COINUING TO INNT ITSARK SYSTEM TO INSURE FUTURE GENERATIONS HAVE ACCESS TO AN ABUNDANCE OF GREEN SPACES AND ATHLETIC FACILITIES IN THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE. NOW, THEREFORE, I JOHN B.MUNS, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PLANO, TEXAS, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM JULY 2022 AS PARK AND RECREATION MONTH IN PLANO. I DO, THEREBY, ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO JOIN ME AND THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL IN ACKNOWLEDGING THE IMPORTANCE OF OUR PARKS AND RECREATIONAL FACILITIES. WE COMMEND THE PLANO PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT FOR THE DEDICATION AND WELCOME EVERYONE IN PLANO AND BEYOND TO VISIT THE HIGHEST-RANKING PARK SYSTEM IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. CONGRATULATIONS. [APPLAUSE] WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE ITEMS THAT WE DIDN'T CPLETE IN THE PRELIMARYPEN MEETING. OUR NEXT ITEM IS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL PRESENTATION BY CURTIS HOWARD. PLANO POLICE DEPARTMENT, ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES MANAGER, AND LORI SCHWARTZ, DIRECTOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. >> BEFORE WE START, DID YOU WANT TO HEAR THE SPEAKERS PRIOR TO THE PRESENTATION OR AFTER? >> AFTER. >> MY NAME IS CURTIS HOWARD, AND I'M THE ADMINISTRATIVE MANAGER FOR T PLANO POLICE DEPARTMENT. I THINK THIS IS MY THIRD OR FOURTH TIME TO UPDATE YOU ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS. AS WE MOVE FORWARD HERE WHEN WE FIRST STARTED WITH THIS TASK OF TRYING TO TRACK SHORT-TERM RENTALS, THINGS WERE STARTING RIGHT BEFORE THE PANDEMIC AS WE WERE KIND OF FIGURING OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON. WE WERE SEEING MORE OF THESE IN PLANO. WUFT THINGS WE LOOKED AT DOING IS FIGURING OUT HOW MANY OF THESE WE HAD AND WHAT WE WERE DOING AND WHAT KIND OF PROBLEMS THEY WERE CAUSING. WE STARTED AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TRACKING THAT. THE WAY WE DID THAT, WE DIDN'T HAVE GREAT DATA TO BEGIN WITH. WE SLOWLY IMPROVED SOME OF THAT STUFF, AND WE WERE ABLE TO KIND OF COME UP WITH A PROCESS TO LOOK AT WHAT WAS GOING ON IN PLANO BASED ON OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE. THAT WAS JUST A COMPLAINT-BASED PROCESS WHEN WE WOULD SEND A POLICE OFFICER OUT TO DEAL WITH AN ISSUE THAT WAS GOING ON. BASED ON THAT INFORMATION, WE GOT TOGETHER WITH ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS. WE CAME UP WITH WHAT WAS CALLED AN ENFORCEMENT AND COMPLIANCE RATEGY, AND IT WAS A THE-PRGED EFFORT TO DEAL WITH THESE PROBLEMS. THE FIRST ONE IS TO IDENTIFY WHERE THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROBLEMS WERE EITHER BASED UPON HOW MANY CALLS WE WERE GETTING OR IN CASE WE HAD A SPECIFIC SITUATION AT ONE THAT CERTAINLY WE COULD PUT OUR FINGER ON IT. THEN, NUMBER TWO, WAS TO MITIGATE THOSE PROBLEMS. BY DOING THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE IS AN NPO PROGRAM, NEIGHBORHOOD POLICING PROGRAM, THAT WE HAVE OFFICERS THAT SPECIALI IN DEALI WITH THESE ISSUES. WE WOULD GET THOSE OFFICERS TO DEAL WITH THE OWNERS, PROPERTY MANAGERS, RESIDENTS TO TRY AND MITIGATE THOSE ISSUES, SOLVE THOSE PROBLEMS, COME INTO COMPLIANCE SO EVERYBODY LIVES HAPPILY EVER AFTER AND THEN ALSO PROVIDE FOLLOW-UP. IF WE WERE NOT GETTING PROBLEMS, WE REACHED OUT. WE MADE CONNECTIONS WITH SOME OF THE ONLINE PLATFORMS, VRBO, AIRBNB, AND ALSO USED THEM AS A WAY TO DEAL WITH SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WITH SHORT-TERM RENTALS WHERE, IT WAS A MULTI-PRONGED APPROACH. AS WE WERE GOI THROUGH THIS AND WE STARTED LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS, IF YOU START LOOKING AT THE PINK LINE THERE, WHICH WAS A 2019, AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE BY MONTH HOW MANY CALLS FOR SERVICE YOU WERE GETTING. AGAIN, SAYS OUR DATA HAS GOTTEN BETTER OVER THE YEARS, BUT OVERALL PROBABLY ABOUT THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF CALLS FOR SERVICE WE EVER HAD IN ONE MONTH IS 15, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN IN ABOUT MARCH OF THIS YEAR. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE TRENDS THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT AND NITONG OR T PAST THREE, THREE AND A HALF YEARS. JUST TO UP-TO-DATE WHAT'S GOING ON THIS YEAR, WE STARTED TRACKING FROM JANUARY 1st THROUGH MAY 31st. IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME WE HAD 47 CALLS FOR SERVICE. THOSE CALLS FOR SERVICE INVOLVED 23 SPECIFIC PROPERTIES, AND THEN SIX OF THOSE PROPERTIES ACTUALLY INVOLVED 24 OR 51% OF OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE. IT WAS NARROWED DOWN TO A SMALL NUMBER OF PROBLEM PROPTIES THAT WE WERE DEALING WITH. THOSE PROBLEM PROPERTIES WHEN YOU LIST THEM ON HERE, ANY PROPERTY THAT HAD MORE THAN THREE CALLS PER SERVICE WITHIN THAT FIVE-MONTH PERIOD IS LISTED. THE ONE PROPERTY AT THE TOP HAD SEVEN CALLS FOR SERVICE. THE NEXT ONE DOWN, NUMBER TWO, HAD FIVE CALLS. THE REMAINING FOUR HAD THREE CALLS APIECE, AND THEN FROM THEN ON IT WAS USUALLY ONE OR TWO CALLS THAT AREN'T NECESSARILY NOTED ON HERE. IF YOU LOOK, WE SPECIFY BY INCIDENT TYPE. THIS HAS NOT CHANGED OVER THE ST THREE OR FOU PRESENTATIONS THAT I HAVE PROVIDED. ALMOST 90% OF OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE INVOLVE THESE QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES -- NOISE COMPLIANTS, PARTY ALCOHOL DRUGS. SOME CIVIL PROBLEMS OR DISPUTES THAT WE SEE AMONGST PEOPLE. SOMETIMES THOSE CAN BE BETWEEN THE MANAGER OR THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND THE RESIDENTS OR THE RENTERS. THEN ALSO PARKING AND TRAFFIC ISSUES. THOSE ARE OUR THREE MAIN AREAS. WHEN WE KIND OF LOOK AT THAT NOISE COMPLAINTS, WE USUALLY -- WE TAKE THE AGGREGATE DATA THAT WE HAVE ON NOISE COMPLAINTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF PLANO AND LOOK AT THAT IN COMPARISON TO WHAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED AS NOISE COMPLAINTS AT SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROPERTIES. BASICALLY WE HAVE 23 OF THOSE TOTAL NOISE COMPLAINTS IN A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, WHICH IS BASICALLY 1.6% OF OUR NOISE COMPLAINTS. OF THESE NOISE COMPLAINTS WE HAVE, THESE ARE NOISE COMPLAINTS IN THE AING GAT. IT CAN B FROM CARS SQUEALING SOMEPLACE, PARTIES, INDUSTRIAL AREAS BUSINESSES. WE DO AGGREGATE THAT. WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO PULL THAT DATA OUT. WITH THAT INFORMATION, THAT'S THE DATA WE HAVE, AND I THINK THAT MS. SCHWARTZ IS GOING TO COME OVER AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAVE. BEFORE SHE DOES THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO FIELD ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION AND FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS ISSUE. I BELIEVE I REMEMBER FROM PRIOR PRESENTATIONS THAT THE NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED IN THE CITY OF PLANO WAS SOMEWHERE LESS THAN 1,000. COULD YOU SPEAK TO WHAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT NUMBER TO BE AT PRESENT? ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IS WE DON'T KNOW SHORT-TRM RENTALS PROPERTIES WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF PLANO. FROM PRIOR PRESENTATIONS THERE'S A MODEL THAT A COMPANY CALLED AIR DNA WILL KIND OF PROVIDE IF YOU PUT IN A CITY OR ZIP CODE AND IT WILL TELL YOU HOW MANY SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROPERTIES ARE LISTED IN THAT AREA. IT'S A MODEL THAT YOU SIGN UP FOR, AND YOU CAN GET THAT INFORMATION. IT STARTED OFF FROM 400-SOMETHING UP TO ABOUT 600-PLUS TODAY. AT LEAST THE LAST TIME I LOOKED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THEY HAD, AGAIN, IS THE MODEL SO YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. NUMBER TWO, WHEN YOU PUT IN PLAN IT ALSO INCLUDES PARTS OF MURPHY OR RICHARDSON DOW KIND OF IN THE AREA BY, YEAH -- BY THE RAILWAY DOWN THERE. IT'S GOING TO INCLUDE SOME OF THAT. I DON'T HAVE AN ACCURATE NUMBER, BUT WE PROBABLY WILL SAY 400, 650, SOMEWHERE IN THERE, AND THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE. SOME PEOPLE ARE IN IT FOR A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. SOME PEOPLE ARE CERTAINLY LONG-TERM PURVEYORS OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, COUNCIL. AS MENTIONED, I'M LAURIE SCHWARZ, THE DIRECTOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. I KNOW THAT MOST OF YOU ARE AWARE THAT WE DO HAVE TWO OTHER REGISTRATION PROGRAMS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DEPARTMENT THAT WE ADMINISTER THAT IS THE MULTI-FAMILY, REGISTRATION AND SECTION PROGRAM AS WELL AS THE HOTEL/MOTEL REGISTRATION SECTION PROGRAM. THAT'S WHY WE'RE MAKING THE PRESENTATION TO YOU TONIGHT ABOUT THIS POTENTIAL REGISTRATION PROGRAM FOR THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. AS MENTIONED THERE HAS BEEN A T OF DISCUSSION INTERNALLY WITH OUR PARTNER DEPARTMENTS. IN LOOKING AT THIS AT THIS POINT WE ARE LOOKING AT THE POTENTIAL OF CREATING A REGISTRATION PROGRAM THAT COULD BEGIN IN FY22/23. THIS REGISTRATION WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A LOT OF THAT DATA THAT CURTIS HAD MENTIONED IS CURRENTLY LACKING. WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET LOCAL CONTACT INFORMATION FOR ALL OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS AS THEY ARE DISBURSED ACROSS THE CITY. THAT IS ACTUALLY ONE OF OUR CHALLENGES WITH INSURING THAT WE KNOW WHO THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE OR HAVING A LALCONTACT. BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT ANY CONCERNS. ARE WE ASSURED THEY'RE PAYING TAXES AS EXPECTED? UNDERSTANDING ALSO WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE COMING FROM. AS CURTIS MENTIONED, IT IS ALWAYS POSSIBLE THAT THERE COULD BE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE COULD GATHER AS PART OF THIS PROCESS. THE OTHER THING THAT WOULD BE A POTENTIAL BENEFIT OF THIS PROGRAM IS ALSO EDUCATION OF THE OWNERS. ONE OF THE THINGS WE WOULD HOPE FOR IS TO BE ABLE TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT EXISTING CITY REGULATIONS ON NOISE, CUPANCY, ET CETERA, SO WCOULD INSURE THAT THEY WERE OPERATING WITHIN EXISTING CITY GUIDELINES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CURTIS HAD MENTIONED IS THAT THERE HAS BEEN A FREE SERVICE THAT WE HAVE USED TO TRY AND GET AN ESTIMATE OF THE NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN PLANO. OBVIOUSLY, THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE AS ACCURATE AS IF WE WERE ABLE TO USE A THIRD PARTY MONITORING COMPANY. AS SOME OF OUR ADJACENT CITIES HAVE ALSO USED. THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD EASILY BE ABLE TO CONTRACT WITH TO HAVE THEM MONITOR AND LOOK THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS OUTSIDE OF THE TYPICAL ONES THAT YOU MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH. THEN, ADDITIONALLY, WE HAD ALREADY PROPOSED TO HAVE THE ADDITION OF TWO PROPERTY TECHNICIANS. WITH THE REGISTRATION PROGRAM WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THESE TWO POSITIONS ABSORBED. THE REGISTRATION PART OF THIS PROGRAM WE COULD TAKE IN THE APPLICATIONS AND INSURE COMPLETENESS AND THAT THEY WERE STAYING UP-TO-DATE WITH THEIR INFORMATION. REGARDING INSPECTIONS, AT THIS POINT WE ARE LOOKING PRIMARILY AT SAFETY STANDARDS. OBVIOUSLY, OUTSIDE OF THE OTHER CONCERNS THAT MIGHT GO THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR OTHER DEPARTMENTS. WE WOULD DO SOME ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS POTENTIALLY FOR HAVING HOUSE RULES FOR GUESTS SO THAT THEY COULD UNDERSTAND APPROXIMATE KWHA OUR REGULATIONS WERE IN PLANO AND THE EDUCATION IF WE HAVE THOSE SITUATIONS OCCUR AS FAR AS ANY OVERCROWDING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THAT IS ESSENTIALLY A VERY BRIEF ERVIEW OF WHAT THAT REGISTRATION PROGRAM COULD LOOK LIKE. IF THIS PROGRAM IS CREATED AT THE DIRECTION OF CITY COUNCIL, WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IS TAKING THAT DATA THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE COLLECTING OVER THE NEXT YEAR AND THEN LOOKING AT THOSE -- DOING AN ANALYSIS OF THAT REGISTRATION PROGRAM DATA AT THE END OF THAT FIRST YEAR. WE WOULD GET TOGETHER WITH OUR OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT WOULD BE OUR PARTNERS IN THIS AND LOOK AT ANY NECESSARY MODIFICATIONS AND BRING THAT BACK FOR COUNCIL CON. TH IS JUST A BASIC OVERVIEW. AS CURTIS MENTIONED, I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. IF YOU NEED TO BRING HIM BACK UP, I'M SURE HE WOULD BE WILLING TO BRING HIM BACK UP. >> COUNCILMAN GRADY. >> THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. FOR BOTH OF YOU, I JUST HAVE SOME THINGS THAT I HAVE ON MY MIND THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE IN REGARDS TO THIS ISSUE THAT AS WE ARE GATHERING DATA AND LOOKING FOR DATA POINTS AND LOOKING FOR POSSIBLE SUGGESTIONS TO BRING BACK TO THE COUNCIL, I WOULD LIKE THE TEAM THAT'S DOING THAT TO LOOK AT. FIRST, I THINK ENGAGING A DIVERSIFIED GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS THEY MAY BE HOTEL/MOTEL OWNERS CURRENTLY U CURRENTLY TODAY REALTORS, HOAs, THE PLATFORM COMPANIES THEMSELVES E THEMSELVES TO GET DATA FROM AND TO GET IDEAS FROM THEM AS WELL. I THINK THAT THE OVERALL GOAL REALLY NEEDS TO BE TO PRESERVE OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS THAT I THINK THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME DATA POINTS ON OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. MAYBE THERE ARE THINGS TT WE CAN DO OR MAYBE THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN'T DO. I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME ADVICE ON THOSE. CAN SHORT-TERM RENTALS BE TREATED AS A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND NOT A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY? IS IT A REQUIREMENT OF A SHORT-TERM RENTAL THAT THE PRIMARY RESIDENT BE IN RESIDENCE 75% OF THE TIME OR GREATER? CAN WE DO THAT? IN ESSENCE, THE OWNER OF THE HOME WOULD HAVE TO REALLY ONLY LEASE IT OUT OR RENT IT OUT 25% OF THE TIME. TO BE THERE IN PERSON.LD HAVE CAN THEY BE TAXES ADD A HOTEL OR A MOTEL? CAN WE MAKE PROVISIONS THAT ARE THE SAME AS YOU WOULD REQUIRE FOR HOTELS OR MOTELS? HE IN ESSENCE, SAFETY FACTORS, FIRE EXTINGUISHERS, WATER SPRINKLING SYSTEMS, DISCLAIMERS. DO THEY NEED SPECIAL INSURANCE TO COVER POOLS AND POOL ACCIDENTS AND LIABILITIES THAT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE IF THEY WERE IN A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY VERSUS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY? ARE THERE OCCUPATIONAL LIMITS THAT WHAVE. ONLY SO MANY INDIVIDUALS COULD BE IN PER SQUARE FOOTAGE OF A ROOM LIKE HOTELS HAVE AND MOTELS HAVE. ARE THERE HEALTH AND SAFETY INSPECTIONS THAT COULD BE DONE ON THE POOLS, ON THE KITCHENS, IN THE RESTROOMS, AND THE REST OF THE FACILITIES TO DETERMNE WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN BE OCCUPIED BY A HUMAN BEING? ARE THERE HOA REGULATIONS THAT COULD BE PUT INTO PLACE THAT HOAs COULD USE? IS PERMITTING AND REGISTRATIONS REQUIRED? IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD LIMIT THE NUMBER OF DAYS A UNIT COULD BE RENTEDED IN A YEAR? FINALLY, WHAT TYPES OF OTHER CODE ENFORCEMENTS COULD WE DO TO THOSE SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE SAFE FOR OCCUPANCY BY SHORT-TERM RENTERS. THOSE ARE POINTS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS WE COME BACK TO FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN DO ANY OF THESE THINGS TO INSURE THE SAFETY OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE DOING THOSE AND THE SAFETY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. THANK YOU. >> DEPUTY MAY PRO TEM. >> LAURIE, I JUST, FIRST OF ALL, WANT SOME CLARIFICATION. THEN I HAVE SOME SUGGESTIONS AND COMMENTS. AT THIS POINT WE ARE LOOKING AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR NEW BUDGET PERIOD, WHICH WOULD BE END OF SEPTEMBER, BEGINNING OF OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR TWO NEW HIRES WHO ARE GOING TO BE SPECIFICALLY DEDICATED TO DOING REGISTRATION AS WELL AS, I GUESS, SOME INVESTIGATION AND RESEARCH INTO THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL. AM I CORRECT ABO THAT? >> THESEERE POSITIONS THAT WERE ALREADY REQUESTED DUE TO CAPACITY CONCERNS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY HAVING WITH THE PROPERTY STANDARDS DIVISION. THIS WOULD BE PART OF THAT ROLE. IT WOULD NOT BE SOLELY WHAT THAT ROLE WOULD BE FOR THOSE TWO POSITIONS. >> BUT THEIR FOCUS WILL BE MORE TOWARDS -- MORE GEARED TOWARDS SHORT-TERM RENTALS? I WOULD NOT SAY THAT'S SPECIFICALLY THEIR ONLY JOB, NO, OR EVEN A MAJORITY OF THEIR JOB. IT'S GOING TO BE A PORTION OF THEIR JOB. >> NOW DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME IN WHICH YOU ARE DOING REGISTRATION PROCESS AND COLLECTING MORE DATA, WILL YOU BE LOOKING FOR PUBLIC INPUT WITH REGARD TO WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? >> WE WILL, AND WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT DEPENDING ON THE TYPES OF COMPLAINTS, IT MAY COME INTO PROPERTY STANDARDS, IT MAY COME INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT MAY COME INTO ONE OF THE OTHER REGULATORY DEPARTMENTS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE CITY. WE DO HAVE A WORKING GROUP THAT IS FOCUSED ONHIS ISSUE. WE WOULD CERTAINLY WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE BRINGING ALL THAT INFORMATION FOR THAT DISCUSSION U DISCUSSION AND FOR THAT TO BE ABLE TO BE BROUGHT FORWARD TO COUNCIL AT THE END OF THIS FIRST REVIEW PERIOD. YES, WE WOULD BE BRINGING THAT BACK TO YOU. >> SO MY COMMENT WOULD BE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE NEW HIRES IN THE NEW BUDGET YEAR PEROD TO BE MORE FOCUSED ON THE SPECIFIC ISSUES OF KEEPING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS WELL AS MORE FOCUSED ON T SPECIFIC ISSUES OF OUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL AS IT AFFECTS OUR CURRENT NEIGHBORHOOD. ALSO, IF AS OUR COUNCILMEMBER GRADY HAS INDICATED WITH ALL THESE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OF HOW SHORT-TERM RENTALS SHOULD BE IDENTIFIED AND DEFINED, WHICH BASICALLY COULD BE SUMMED UP TO IS IT COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL? IF IT IS CONSIDERED TO BE AT THIS POINT OR AT THE JUNCTURE DURING THE GATHERING THE DATA THAT IT IS MORE COMMERCIAL, THEN I WOULD ASK THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING BE INVOLVED IN DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT THESE TYPE OF RENTALS, IF THEY ARE CONSIDERED TO BE MORE COMMERCIAL OR IF THEY ARE LEANING TOWARDS MORE COMMERCIAL WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, AND IF THEY ARE ALLOWED BECAUSE OF SOME EXCEPTION OR GAPS OR WHATEVER IT IS, WHAT IS THE SPECIFIC, I GUESS, LIMITING STRUCTURE IN WHICH THEY CAN STAY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AFTER ALL, OUR NEIGHBORS ARE OUR NEIGHBORS, AND WE CANNOT HAVE SHORT-TERM RESIDENTS BE OUR NEIGHBORS. I LIKE FOR THOSE TO BE PART OF THE DATA GATHERING AND THE REGISTRATION WHILE YOU'RE DOING THAT DURING THE FOLLOWING FISCAL YEAR. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THE SUGGESTIONS. IF WE CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CREATING THIS, WOULD YOU BE -- I'M ASSUMING YOU WOULD KOONL BACK TO US WITH MORE SPECIFICS ABOUT WHAT THE COSTS OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS WOULD BE AND CONSEQUENCES FOR NOT REGISTERS? >> YES. >> WOULD YOU BE MODELING THIS AFTER THE HOTEL -- I'M SORRY -- THE REGISTRATION PROCESS FOR THE MULTI-FAMILY, OR HOW WOULD YOU GO ABOUT DETERMINING THE COST OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS? SXWLOO WE'RE PROBLY ING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW COMPLEX THE PROGRAM IS FROM CITY COUNCIL. AS YOU GIVE US DIRECTION, THAT WILL HELP US CRAFT THE WAY THE PROGRAM GUIDELINES WILL LOOK. I THINK, TO BEGIN WITH, WE ARE LOOKING AT A FAIRLY SIMPLE PROGRAM. THE OTHER TWO PROGRAMS HAVE A MANDATORY INSPECTION PROCESS THAT'S USUALLY ANNUAL. IT'S QUITE INVOLVED. THEY ARE ABLE TO GET EXEMPTIONS OVER TIME, AND WE'VE REALLY WORKED OUT THAT SYSTEM WITH THOSE LARGER ENTITIES. WITH THE SCALE OTHIS DEPENDING ON HOW MANY WE ACTUALLY HAVE IN THE CITY, IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO FULLY ESTIMATE THE TIME THAT IT'S GOING TO BE EXPECTED UNTIL WE HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE NUMBER THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE. WE MAY START FIRST WITH THAT THIRD PARTY MONITORING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE -- HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF HOW MANY WE ACTUALLY HAVE HERE IN PLANO, AND THEN THAT WAY WE CAN BRING YOU BACK THE INFORMATION, WHAT THE REGISTRATION CHARGE WOULD BE AND THENOW WE WOULD BREAK OUT ALL OF THAT. WE HAVE A VERY GOOD SYSTEM WITH BOTH OF THE OTHER TWO PROGRAMS, AND WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR TO BEGIN WITH IS A SIMPLIFIED PROGRAM AND THEN IF THE DATA SUGGESTS THAT WE NEED TO MOVE INTO A MORE COMPLEX ONE, THEN WE WOULD BRING ALL OF THAT BACK AT THAT LATER TIME. >> I'M LOOKING AT THE DEFINITIONS IN OUR ZONING CODE, AND SHORT-TERM RENTALS DON'T MEET THE DEFINITION FOR A HOTEL/MOTEL, BUT THEY DO MEET THE DEFINITION FOR BEDND BREAKFAST AND POSSIBLY ALSO BOARDING/ROOMING HOUSE. LOOKING AT WHERE THOSE USES ARE PERMITTED IN OUR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, A BED AND BREAKFAST IS ONLY PERMITTED IN URBAN RESIDENTIAL AND RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY DESIGN. NOT IN SINGLE FAMILY DISTRICTS. IN NON-RESIDENTIAL, IT'S PERMISSIBLE IN DOWNTOWN BUSINESS GOVERNMENT AND NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DESIGN. BOARDING/ROOMING HOUSE IS PERMITTED IN ONLY NON-RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. GENERAL OFFICE, LIGHT COMMERCIAL, AND DOWNTOWN BUSINESS GOVERNMENT. UNLESS I'M MISSING SOMETHING, I'M NOTCTUALLY SEEING ANYTHING WHERE SHT-TERM RENTALS ARE CURRENTLY PERMITTED IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. >> I CAN DEFER TO MANAGERS AND ATTORNEYS. >> I THINK PART OF THE CHALLENGE THAT OUR STAFF IS PRESENTING RIGHT NOW IS A RECOMMENDATION FOR A PROGRAM VERSUS AN AUDIT OF WHAT'S CURRENTLY EXISTING OUT THERE. I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. I UNDERSTAND THE CHARACTERIZATIONS. I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS IF WE'RE DISCUSSING A LEGAL DEFINITION FOR THAT I THINK THAT WOULD REQUIRE OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO CHIME IN. >> UNDERSTOOD. BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CREATING A REGISTRATION PROGRAM FOR HOUSES WHERE THERE'S AT LEAST A QUESTION AS TO WHETHER A ZONING CODE MEASUREMENTS E PERMITS IT, THAT COULD COMPOUND THE CONFUSION AND THE ISSUE. >> COUNCIL, AGAIN, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION FOR HOW TO GET STARTED IN GATHERING THE DATA TO UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITY AND THE CONTEXT OF THE ISSUE AS WELL AS HOW PERVASIVE IT IS, AND THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION UNDER THE CURRENT CONDITIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING WITHIN THE CITY. >> REGARDING GHERI THE DATA, I UNDERSTAND -- REGARDING GHERING THE DATA, I UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT WAS THE SITE? AIR DNA. I UNDERSTAND THAT'S FREE, BUT HAVE WE ATTEMPTED TO LOOK ON THE ACTUAL SITES WHERE SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE MARKETING THEMSELVES TO DO AN ANALYSIS ON OUR OWN -- AIRBNB VRBA. >> NO. >> CAN WE DO THAT? >> ANECDOTALLY I'VE GONE ON THERE PERIOCALLY KNOWING THE CONCERNS OF OUR CITIZENS AND HEARING FROM A NUMBER OF THEM ABOUT THE ISSUE. ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S A HOME THAT HAS A FREQUENT NUMBER OF CALLS FOR SERVICE. WE COULD GO ON AND LOOK AT THOSE. AGAIN, PART OF THE CHALLENGE WE MAY HAVE IS HOUSES THAT ARE REPRESENTED AMONGST A NUMBER OF THOSE PLATFORMS. THERE ARE HOMES ACCORDING TO THE WAY THAT THESE BEHAVE THAT MAY BE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL TODAY THAT MAY NOT BE IN TWO WEEKS, SAYS SO IT'S A POINT IN TIME THAT WE WOULD BE GATHERING VEUS ONGOING. AGAIN, THAT BECOMES A RESOURCE ISSUE IF WE'RE EXPECTED TO TRACK THAT OVER TIME AND HAVE ACCURACY. WE THINK THE REPRESENTATION PROGRAM AS MR. SCHWARZ RECOMMENDED PROVIDES US THE OPPORTUNITY FOR EDUCATION AS WELL AS TO GATHER THAT DATA POINT, WHICH WE THINK IS A VALUABLE PIECE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS HOW TO OPERATE IN PLANO AND WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE FOR WHAT THOSE NUISANCES ARE. UNDERSTOOD. IS THERE AN INTENT TO THE REGIRA AND INFORMATION GATHERING? >> IT WOULD BE CREATING -- IT'S AN INITIAL STEP. I APPRECIATE THAT, DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM. IT IS AN INITIAL STEP FOR THE REGISTRATION AND THE EDUCATION, BUT THE PERMIT WOULD BE THE OTHER ELEMENT OF THAT, AND I THINK THAT'S A MORE ENHANCED VERSION OF WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING RECOMMENDING AT THIS POINT. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. LAUR, THK YO FOR THAT PRESENTATION AND FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS. IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, AND THE CONVERSATION WITH COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS TOUCHED ON THIS, DISCERNING THE NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THE CITY OF PLANO WOULD NOT NECESSARILY TAKE THE ENTIRE YEAR-LONG PERIOD THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE. THERE ARE OTHER OBJECTIVES IN PLAY FOR THAT, BUT DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE JUST TO GET A RELIABLE POINT IN TIME COUNT FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN PLANO? IS IT AS SIMPLE AS GETTING THE PAID MEMBERSHIP ON AIR DNA, OR IS THERE ADDITIONAL WORK THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE? HOW MANY STAFF RESOURCES AND HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD TAKE? >> AT THIS POINT WE'RE LOOKING AT A THIRD PARTY TO DO THE MONITORING. IN PREVIOUS CITIES I WORKED IN, THAT WAS SOMETHING WE HAD USED AS WELL. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT IS HELPFUL FOR IS IT'S AN ONGOING MONITORING. IT IS NOT JUST A ONE-TIME. OBVIOUSLY, WE WOULD WANT TO START TO BEGIN WITH, SO THAT WE HAD A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF ALL OF THE ONES THAT WE HAD AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WHICH CITY MANAGER HAD MENTIONED. OVER TIME THINGS WILL DROP OFF, THINGS WILL COME ON. WHAT WE WOULD WANT, THAT THIRD PARTY MONITORING TO DO IS TO KEEP TRACK OF THE NEW ONES THAT ARE COMING IN, WHEN THEY WOULD FIND NEW LISTINGS THAT MAYBE HAD NOT REGISTERED WITH US, THEN WE WOULD BE TOLD ABOUT THAT, THAT WOULD FOLLOW UP FOR AN INSPECTION FROM OUR DEPARTMENT WHO WOULD THEN NOTIFY THAT PROPERTY OWNER THAT THE REGISTRATION WAS REQUIRED AND THEN WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT EDUCATION PIECE THAT WE DISCUSSED AND WHATEVER POTENTIAL REQUIREMENTS WEAY HAVE AS PART OF THAT REGISTRATION PROGRAM. OUR HOPE IS THAT WE WILL HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING AT THE BEGINNING OF WHAT A BASIC NUMBER IS, AND THEN OVER TIME WE WILL HAVE THAT BE LESS AND LESS THAT WE WILL GET NOTIFIED BECAUSE HOPEFULLY, WE WILL HAVE ENOUGH EDUCATION IN THE PUBLIC, PEOPLE WILL KNOW THAT IF THEY SHOULD HAVE ALREADY REGISTERED WITH US, THEY SHOULD REACH OUT IT OUR DEPARTMENT, AND THEN THAT WAY WE'LL BE ABLE TO KEEP TRACK OF WHAT -- AND SORT OF THE DISBURSEMENT. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION ABOUT WHY THIS IS HELPFUL TOO IS THAT IT IS NOT ALWAYS POSSIBLE TO BE ABLE TO SEE ADDRESSES AS PART OF SOME OF THE OTHER SITES. OFTEN YOU DON'T GET ADDRESSES UNTIL LATER. THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS AS WELL AS TO WHY THIS THIRD PARTY MONITORING WOULD BE SO HELPFUL. >> THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THAT INFORMATION LAURIE. IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY ON THE TIME FRAME FOR JUST GETTING AN INITIAL POINT IN TIME COUNT, HOW MANY SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE IN PLANO TODAY, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD ACCOMPLISH FAIRLY QUICKLY AND THEN WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE? >> UH-HUH, YES, SIR. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION. >> COUNCILMAN SMITH. >> THANK YOU. I'LL ASK THE CITY MANAGER TO CORRECT ME IF I'M MISTAKEN, BUT MY BELIEF IS THAT THE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY WE AS A CITY HAVE TO OUR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS TO THE BEST OF OUR AIN'T IS TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR HEALTH AND SAFETY TO THE BEST THAT WE CAN. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE WHATEVER AIR DNA, SEVERAL HUNDRED IF NOT THOUSANDS OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS OUT THERE THAT ARE ESSENTIALLY UNREGULATED RIGHT NOW. I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, THE REGISTRATION, MAY BE A GOOD FIRST STEP FOR US BECAUSE THAT ENABLES US, I WOULD ASSUME, THAT YOU WOULD BRING BACK REGULATIONS THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO ADHERE TO FOR HEALTH AND SAFETY, LIFE SAFETY, FIRE EXTINGUISHERS, OCCUPANCY LIMITS, HEALTH CODES, THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE REGISTRATION. THEN I WOULD FURTHER ASSUME, MAYBE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG OR CITY ATTORNEY, THAT MUCH LIKE HOTE PROPERTIES OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT HAVE PEOPLE THERE AND THEY HAVE REGISTRATION, THEY HAVE CERTAIN RULES THAT THEY MUST LIVE BY. IF THEY VIOLENT THOSE OVER AND OVER, THEY'RE GOING TO BE FINED AND ARE SHUT DOWN. I WOULD ASSUME THAT ONCE WE HAVE A DATABASE AND WE KNOW WHO THE OPERATORS ARE, THAT IF WE'RE STARTING TO SEE A PROLIFERATION OF HEALTH CODE VIOLATIONS OR OTHER VIOLATIONS OF THE REGISTRATION REGISTRATION LIKE A BUSINESS LICENSE, COULD BE PULLED. WOULD IT I BE CORRECT IN MAKING THAT ASSUMPTION? >> THAT WOULD BE A POSSIBILITY LONG-TERM. I THINK INITIALLY IT WOULD NOT BE PART OF THE PROGRAM TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO IS AT A MINIMUM EDUCATE PEOPLE ON MINIMUM CODES THAT WE HAVE HERE IN THE CITY, THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY CODES. THAT I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT. I THINK THE OTHER THING IS EXPECTATIONS AS FAR AS TRASH, EXPECTATIONS REGARDING NOISE, EXPECTATIONS REGARDING PARKING. ALL OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE ALL HERE ARE CONCERNED WITH RIGHT NOW. BECAUSE EDUCATION IS A HUGE PART IT, AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO RELIEVE SOME OF THOSE PRESSURE POINTS THAT I KNOW THAT CERTAIN PROPERTIES HAVE HAD ON THE NEIGHBORS. OBVIOUSLY, WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME WORKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. THAT IS THE PRIMARY PURPOSE OF OUR DEPARTMENT IS TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF NEIGHBORHOODS. OUR HOPE IS THAT WE CAN START FIGURING OUT A WAY TO MAKE THE SITUATION BETTER FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND THEN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO INSURE THAT IF PEOPLE ARE OPERATING SHORT-TERM RENTALS, THAT THEY ARE MEETING OUR CURRENT PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY GUIDELINES. THAT IS OUR PRIMARY CONCERN. WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY LIVING IN THEIR HOMES AND NEIGHBORHOODS, AND THIS IS, WE BELIEVE, THE FIRST STEP TO GETTING THERE AND INSURING THAT WE HAVE COMPLIANCE WITH OUR CODES THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM WOULD HELP US DEVELOP DATA THAT WE DON'T THE BEST DECISION POSSIBLE AS TO HOW TO PROCEED OR HOW TO IMPROVE THIS OROR EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY? >> YES, SIR. >> THANKS. >> COUNCILMAN HOLMES. >> COUNCILMEMBER SMITH, YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT ABOUT SAFETY, AND I DON'T THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE ASKED BEFORE. I ASSUME WHEN SOMEONE CHECKS INTO A HOTEL, THEY HAVE TO SHOW AN ID AND THERE'S A LIST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE STAYING THERE. IS IT LEGAL FOR US TO ASK FOR THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE LIVING IN -- STAYING IN A RESIDENCY, AND THEN IF THERE WAS A NOISE COMPLAINT AND THE POLICE WERE TO SHOW UP, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE STAYING THERE NEED TO BE LISTED? IS THAT -- >> YOU CAN PUT A CDITION ON IT THAT OWNERS TAKE NAMES OF OCCUPANTS, BUT, AGAIN, IT'S UP TO THE COOPERATION OF THE PERSON REGISTERING. >> I JUST HADN'T EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT THE SAFETY. >> THAT'S ANOTHER BIG PIECE OF THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE. THERE'S NOT A GOOD WAY FOR US TO KNOW WHETHER THE PEOPLE THAT REGISTERED ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE STAYING THERE. IF THEY DON'T WANT TO COOPERATE WITH THE POLICE. >> IF THERE WAS A NOISE COMPLAINT AND POLICE SHOWED UP AND THEY SAID THIS IS WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE HERE, AND YOU'RE NOT HERE, DON KNOW IF THAT'S ANYTHING THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED. I KNOW THAT'S ONE CONCERN THAT I HAVE HEARD FROM RESIDENTS THAT THEY HAVE PEOPLE COMING AND GOING, AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHO THE PEOPLE ARE. AS SAFETY FEATURE, IF NOTHING ELSE, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WERE TO HAPPEN, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE REGISTERED TO STAY THERE. JUST YOU BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINTS. THANK YOU. SDMRI SUPPORT US MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS. I THINK IT'S A GOOD FIRST STEP. I SEE THE MAIN BENEFIT OF THIS A YOU MENTIONED, BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF THE CHALLENGES ARE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD CONTACT TO WORK WITH WHEN WE NEED TO RESOLVE ISSUES. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED EVERYBODY'S NAME IN THE HOUSE. I THINK THAT THE RESPONSIBILITY FALLS ON THE OWNER TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE ON THEIR PROPERTY ARE BEHAVING THEMSELVES. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD FIRST STEP, AND WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD. >> I'LL SECOND THAT. >> WE HAVE SPEAKERS, SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND HEA FROM THEM. >> OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS BILL FRA FRANCE. >> SORRY. BEEN SITTING FOR A WHILE. I HAVE 30 MINUTES; IS THAT RIGHT? [LAUGHING] MAYOR MUNS, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BILL FRANCE. I'M A 25-YEAR RESIDENT OF PLANO. TONIGHT I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE PLANO, TEXAS, NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION. I ASK OUR SUPPORTERS TO PLEASE STAND. TONIGHT WE ARE HERE TO PRESENT THREE KEY MESSAGES. FIRST, ALL OF THE BEST EFFORTS OF CONTROLLING THE BAD BEHAVIOR OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS WILL NEVER FIX THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM. THE REVOLVING DOOR OF STRANGERS. STRANGERS DISPLACE LONG-TERM RESIDENTS, THE FOLKS WE KNOW AND COUNT ON AS OUR FRIENDS. STRANGERS DESTROY OUR SENSE OF SAFETY, SECURITY, AND BELONGING, THE VERY REASON WE MOVED TO PLANO IN THE FIRST PLACE. THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT NO RULES OR CONTROLS OR SYSTEMS AIMED TO CURB BAD BEHAVIOR CAN EVER FIX. SECOND, BEWARE OF THIS TRAP. TONIGHT THE CITY IS PROPOSING AUTHORIZING SHORT-TERM REJTSDZ E RENTALS THROUGH A REGISTRATION PROCESS. PLEASE BE AWARE REGISTRATION WITHOUT FIRST DECIDING WHERE SHORT-TERM RENTALS CAN LEGALLY OPERATE IS A MIAKE. IT IS A MISTAKE -- [APPLAUSE] IT'S A MISTAKE WE MAY NEVER BE ABLE TO UNDO. THE CITY OF AUSTIN FELL INTO THIS SAME TRAP. NOW YEARS AFTER ADOPTING LAWS MEANT TO GET SDRs OUT OF THEIR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY, INSTEAD, GRANTED A LICENSE, A PERMISSION SLIP TO OPERATE THESE ILLEGAL LODGING BUSINESSES. AUSTIN IS NOW FORCED BY THE COURTS TO GRANDFATHER ALL THE STRs THEY PREVIOUSLY LICENSED. TODAY NO MATTER HOW MUCH MISERY THESE PARTY HOUSES CONTINUE TO INFLICT ON THE CITIZENS OF AUSTIN, THEY ARE TRAPPED. THE FAIR-MINDED LEADERS OF PLANO MUST AVOID A SIMILAR PLIGHT BY NOT PROCEEDING DOWN THIS INESCAPABLE PATH. THIRD AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE NEED TO BAN SHORT-TERM RENTALS NOW FROM ALL SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. [APPLAUSE] THIS IS THE SOLUTION BEING PROPOSED IN DALLAS TODAY. IT IS THE SOLUTION ADOPTED BY ARLINGTON IN 2019, AND IT'S THE SOLUTION WE ARE ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER TONIGHT. THE ARLINGTON ORDINANCE HAS SAFE-GUARDED THE HEALTH OF SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS FOR OVER THREE YEARS. IT HAS BEEN UPHELD BY THE COURTS ALL THE WAY TO THE SIX SIX TK. WE URGE YOU TONIGHT, PLEASE ADOPT THIS COMMON SENSE APPROACH OR CREAT A TASK FORCE TO AFFECT S TO COME YOU AND ALL THE GOOD CITIZENS OF PLANO WILL BE GLAD THAT YOU DID. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. [APPLAUSE] >> CASEY McCLAIN. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR MUNS, DISTINGUISHED COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M CASEY McCLAIN. AS PRESIDENT OF THE VILLAS OF GLEN MEADO HEOWN ASSOCIATION, I AM HERE TONIGHT TO REPRESENT THE FAMILIES WHO LIVE IN OUR 59 HOMES. THE OWNERS APPRECIATE THE SERVICE EACH OF YOU PROVIDE TO OUR COMMUNITY. AT THIS TIME WE DO NOT HAVE ANY SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN THE VILLAS. HOWEVER, THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD DOES, AND OUR FRIENDS IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD TELL US OF LOUD PARTIES, TRASH, CONGESTED PARKING AS WELL AS OTHER ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE HEARD ABOUT TONIGHT AND PREVIOUSLY. AT OUR ANNUAL HOMEOWNERSEETING IN APRILE DISCUSSED THESE ISSUES. THE OWNERS WERE UNITED IN THEIR OPPOSITION TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. OUR COMMUNITY IS CLOSE-KNIT. 59 HOMES.pDURING THE FEBRUARY D THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT NEIGHBORS WERE CALLING EACH OTHER TO CHECK TO INSURE THAT THEY WERE SAFE AND THAT THEY WERE WARM. THEN WHEN THE THAW CAME AND WATER LEAKS MADE THEMSELVES KNOWN, NEIGHBORS PITCHED IN TO HELP EACH OTHER. WE ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGED DURING THE PANDEMIC TRYING TO KEEP THE NEIGHBORS CONNECTED AND INFORMED AS TO HOW THIS PDEMIC WAS UNFOLDING. WE ALSO REACH OUT WHEN THERE IS ILLNESS OR ACCIDENTS. VOLUNTEERING TO HELP WALK DOGS OR BRING IN FOOD. THIS IS WHAT MAKES THE VILLAS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. BRINGING IN SHORT-TERM RENTALS WOULD ERODE THAT COMMUNITY SPIRIT, THAT COMMUNITY CONNECTION. AS YOU ARE WELL AWARE, PLANO HAS A HOUSING SHORTAGE. EACH SHORT-TERM RENTAL EXACERBATES THAT SHORTAGE, AND WEAKENS THE VERY COMMUNITY TIES THAT MAKES PLANO A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. WE ASK THAT THE COUNCIL TAKE ACTION TO PREVENT THESE NEGATIVE IMPACTS BY ENFORCING EXISTING ZONING RULES AND SPECIFICALLY BY BANNING SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. AGAIN, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE. >> THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> JOHN BURKE. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, DISTINGUISHED COUNCIL MEMBERS AND STAFF. MY SYMPATHIES TO COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS. MY NAME IS JOHN BURKE. I'M A LONG-TERM RESIDENT OF PLANO. THIS EVENING I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE MY PERSPECTIVE RELATED TO HOW SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGHOUT PLANO ARE NOT ALIGNED WITH THE FAMILY-FIRST FABRIC OF OUR COMMUNITY. POTENTIALLY COMPROMISE THE WELFARE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS. SOON AFTER MY WIFE AND I MOVED HERE IN 1993 WITH OUR TWO SMALL CHILDREN I FOUNDED AN ORNIZATION HERE IN PLANO WITH THE HELP OF THE MAYOR'S OFFICE CALLED DADS IN THE HOOD. IT WAS IN RESPONSE TO A COMMUNITY CHALLENGE TO BE MORE ACTIVELY INVOLVED WITH FATHERS AND FAMILIES TO BUID COMMUNITY AND A SENSE OF FAMILY AND SAFETY WITHIN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND IS NOW ATTENDED BY SEVERAL HUNDRED HOMES AND SEVERAL DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS ACROSS PLANO. EVERY OCTOBER FOR THE PAST 28 YEARS THE MAYOR HAS JOINED US OR SOMEBODY IN THEIR STEAD TO READ A PROCLAMATION. WE APPRECIATE THAT SERVICE. ONE OF THE MOST LASTING MEMORIES IS A FRONT YARD CAMP-OUT, WHICH MANY DADS DON'T ENJOY BECAUSE HARD GROUPED, BUT IT BRINGS NEIGHBORS TOGETHER TO HELP THEM KNOW EACH OTHER, TO HELP THEM KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN EACH OTHER'S HOMES AND CREATE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR THEIR COMMUNITY AND THEIR CHILDREN. IT'S A LINE THAT SAYS DADS IN THE HOOD IS A GRASSROOTS INITIATIVE THAT WILL CHANNEL THE ENTHUSIASM OF MANY OF OUR CITIZENS INTO HEALTHY ACTIVITIES, TEACHING FAMILY INVOLVEMENT AND FURTHERING WHOLESOME ASSOCIATION WITH OUR NEIGHBORS. WE APPRECIATE YOUR LONG-TERM COMMITMENT WITH THAT. I SHARE THIS HISTORY BECAUSE I THINK IT SERVES AS A FOUNDATION. MANY OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT I HAVE SPOKEN WITH SHARE MY HEIGHTENED CONCERN FOR THE VITALITY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE WELFARE OF OUR CHILDREN AND OUR FAMILIES. I BELIEVE THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE MEANT TO SERVE AS A REFUGE FOR PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE AND NOT AS A PLAYGROUND FOR TRANSIENTS OR HOLIDAY FOR TRANSIENTS. I HAVE LEARNED AND I THINK I SAW WEDNESDAY TONIGHT FROM THE LIVELY DEBATES AND DISCUSSIONS TONIGHT THAT WHILE STATISTICS CAN HELP SHED LIGHT ON MANY ISSUES OF POWER OUTAGES AND COMMUNITY CONCERNS AND COMMUNITY WELFARE, NUMBERS ALONE DO NOT CONSISTENTLY -- THEY DO CONSISTENTLY FAIL FULLY ILLUMINATE THE VISCERAL REALITY OF SOME OF THE STORIES YOU HAVE HEARD EVEN TONIGHT OF THE ANXIETY AND THE TRAUMA AND THE DREAD FOR THOSE LIVING NEARBY TO ONE OF THESE SITUATIONS. THE JUNE 13th COUNCIL MEETING YOU HEARD A STORY OF A FATHER WHOSE SON IS NOW AFRAID TO SLEEP IN HIS OWN ROOM BECAUSE OF THE REPEATED AGGRAVATED LANGUAGE AND UPHEAVAL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THEM. AFRAID TO SLEEP IN HIS OWN BED. WE SEEING THE GROWING TREND OF STRs AS A THREAT TO THE SAFETY OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE WORKED FOR OVER 28 YEARS NOW TO BUILD. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN OUR NEARLY 30-YEAR HISTORY THAT DADS IN THE HOOD MAY WELL BE CANCELED BECAUSE AS THE FOUNDER, I AM CONCERNED THAT I UNDERSTAND WHO IS RESIDING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WHERE THEY COME FROM, AND HOW WE CAN PROTECT OUR CHILDREN. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS YEAR WE'RE CONSIDERING NOT HOSTING DADS IN THE HOOD. I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT THE COUNCIL CONSIDER THE PLEAS TONIGHT TO ENFORCE RESTRICTIONS ELIMINATING STRs FROM OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. I THAI FOR YOUR WORK WITH OUR CITY. THANK YOU. >> BARBARA FRANCE. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR MUNS, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS BARBARA FRANCE, AND I HAVE LIVED IN PLANO FOR 25 YEARS. TONIGHT I'M ALSO REPRESENTING THE PLANO, TEXAS, NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION ON THE ISSUE OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS. YOU SAW MANY PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT THAT CAME OUT TO SUPPORT THIS ISSUE OF SHORT-TERM NTALS. THEY'RE HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE THEY CARE, LIKE YOU, ABOUT THE CITY OF PLANO. THEY CARE ABOUT THE FUTURE OF PLANO'S NEIGHBORHOODS. THEY'RE HERE BECAUSE THEY ARE COUNTING ON YOU TO ENFORCE OUR LAWS AND PROTECT THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT CAME UP IN THE LAST -- IN THE PRESENTATIONS THAT I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK TO BRIEFLY. THE FIRST ONE IS ON THE TOPIC OF 47 POLICE CALLS. I KNOW THAT'S JUST A DATA POINT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT REALLY REPRESENTS THE STRESS, THE THRESHOLD THAT IT TAKES FOR SOMEBODY TO ACTUALLY CALL THE POLICE. FOR MYSELF, I FEEL LIKE I WOULDN'T WANT TO BOTHER THE POLICE BECAUSE I'M ANNOYED BECAUSE I'M STRESSED BECAUSE I'M DISRUPTED, BECAUSE I CAN'T SLEEP. I'M NOT GOING TO CALL THE POLICE AND SAY, HEY, I CAN'T SLEEP. CALL 9-1-1 OR THE SERVICE PHONE. I DON'T KNOW THAT 47 CALLS IS REALLY REPRESENTATIVE OF ALL THE DIFFICULTY THAT PEOPLE ARE DEALING WITH THESE SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. THE SECOND ITEM IS IN DOING A REGIRATION PROCESS AND POSTING RULES ABOUT PTIES AND NOISE AND OCCUPANTS THAT IS ALREADY HAPPENING. IF YOU LOOK UP THE HOUSE BEHIND ME ON VRBO IT SAYS LIMIT 10. WE'VE SEEN 15 PEOPLE IN THE BACK. NOISE -- NO NOISE AFTER 10:00. THAEGTS A CITY ORDINANCE. THEY HAVE THAT IN THEIR -- WHERE YOU GO SIGN UP FOR IT. BUT IT'S NOT ENFORCED. THAT LEAVES IT TO THE NEIGHBORS TO ENFORCE IT. YEAH, WE CAN SAY THAT CAN YOU DO THIS, YOU CAN DO TH, YOU CAN DO THIS, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE US THAT HAVE TO CALL AND SAY, OH, THEY'REOT FOLLOWING THE RULES OR CONFRONTING THE OWNER. OKAY, HERE IS THE OWNER THAT LIVES HERE LOCALLY, SO IT'S UP TO ME TO CALL THIS GUY AND GET IN A CONFRONTATION. THANK YOU FOR HEARING OUR CONCERNS. THANK YOU FOR TAKING QUICK AND DECISIVE ACTION, AND THANK YOU FOR RESTORING PEACE TO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. GOOD NIGHT. [APPLAUSE] >> THANK YOU. >> THE LAST SPEAKER IS CHASE LIBERG, ANDEILL BE JOINING US VIA ZOOM. CAN YOU TURN ON YOUR VIDEO, PLEASE? MR. LINEBERGER. >> THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR MESSAGE TO US, AND WE HAVE HEARD IT LOUD AND CLEAR. I THINK THIS IS OUR OBJECTIVE TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS THAT ACTUALLY DO WORK, AND I THINK MAYOR PRO TEM SPOKE OF THE DIRECTION THAT WE WOULD LIKE THE CITY TO TAKE, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THOSE SOLUTIONS COMING BACK TO US. THAT BEING SAID, WE LOOK FORWARD TO SOME OF THOSE THAT YOU HAVE HEARD TONIGHT FROM ALL THE COUNCIL TO BE INCLUDED IN THOSE AS WELL. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I DIDN'T KNOW IF WE WERE MOVING ON TO THE NEXT ITEM OR OPENING FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION. I HAD ONLY ASKED QUESTIONS PREVIOUSLY OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE SPEAKERS HAVING NOT SPOKEN YET, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT TO ECHO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, MR. MAYOR, I THINK ALL OF US AGREE THAT THE PRESERVATION AND THRIVING OF SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS ARE OF THE UTMOST PORTANCE. THE REASON THAT THE TWO QUESTIONS THAT I ASKED EARLIER WERE BOTH ABOUT NUMBERS IS BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE DATA ALREADY SHOWS THAT IF -- AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THESE ARE NUMBERS OF STRs IN PLANO, AND YOU GET ET WHAT YOU PAY FOR, BUT IF THERE'S ANYWHERE 400, 500, 600, EVEN 700 SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN PLANO OUT OF ABOUT 111,000 HOUSING UNITS, THEN -- AND 1.6% OF NOISE COMPLAINTS ARE COMING FROM SHORT-TERM RENTALS, THEN I THINK THAT'S ALREADY TWO TO THREE TIMES THE PROPORTION THAT ONE WOULD EXPECT IF IT WAS IN EQUAL PROPORTION. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE AND MANY OTHERS NOT HERE HAVE ALREADY BEEN PATIENT. IF WE EMBARK ON THIS PROGRAM, WE WILL BE ASKING THEM TO CONTINUE TO BE PATIENT. TOWARDS THAT END, I THINK AT THE VERY LEAST, IF WE GO DOWN THIS ROAD, WE WOULD NEED A MORATORIUM ON NEW SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS pWH MOVE TOWARDS AN ULTIMATE SOLUTION TO IT. I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO BE DILIGENT, BUT I WANT TO AVOID CONTINUED PROLIFERATION OF THIS ISSUE WHILE WE'RE STUDYING IT, AND I ALSO THINK THAT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS WE WOULD NEED TO IMPLEMENT IMMEDIATELY ALONG SIDE THIS PROGRAM, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE, AS COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER ALLUDED TO, REGISTRATIO OF ALL ADULT OCCUPANTS THAT ARE GOING TO STAY IN A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. MY CONCERN ABOUT ONE OF THE SPEAKERS FROM A MEETING OR TWO AGO THAT BROUGHT UP THE POSSIBILITY THAT SOME OCCUPANTS IN SHORT-TERM RENTAL COULD BE REGISTERED SEX OFFENDERS, AND I BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD BE MANDATORY FOR ALL -- IMMEDIATELY MANDATORY FOR ALL SHORT-TERM RENTAL GUESTS WHO ARE ADULTS TO PROVIDE THEIR NAMES TO THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL OPERATOR SO THEY CAN BE CHECKED AGAINST A SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY DATABASE TO ENHANCE SAFETY. I ALSO THINK THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO LOOK AT A -- IMMEDIATELY LOOK AT A PARTY HOUSE ORDINANCE THAT WOULD APPLY WHETHER THE HOUSE IS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL OR OWNER-OCCUPIED OR LONG-TERM RENTAL AND THEN ULTIMATELY MOVE TOWARDS OTHER THINGS THAT WILL PRESERVE NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT WILL PROVIDE OCCUPANT LIMITS THAT WILL ENCOURAGE HOUSING AFFORDABILITY BY DECREASING THE NUMBER OF HOUSES BEING BOUGHT UP FOR THIS USE AND TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE MANY OTHER CONCERNS THAT THE RESIDENTS HERE BROUGHT UP. I THINK THAT IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT, I THINK THERE ARE OTHER STEPS THAT IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO TAKE MORE IN THE SHORT-TERM RATHER THAN NEXT YEAR. >> I THINK ONE OF THE PROCESSES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS ESTABLISH WHAT KIND OF MONEY YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT WOULCOST THE CITY TO DO IN ENFORCEMENT. I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. >> SURE. >> I THINK WE REALLY NEED THAT IMMEDIATELY. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. SURE. I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THE DISCUSSION. I THINK IN ERMZ IT OF GETTING A COUNT ON HOW MANY SHORT-TERM RENTALS THERE ARE AND HOW MANY COMPLAINTS ARE GENERATED BY SHORT-TERM RENTALS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT CAN BE DONE MORE QUKLY THAN ONE YEAR. WE NEED TO LOOK AT A MORATORIUM ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION. IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A MORATORIUM ON THEM. I'M NOT OPPOSED, BUT IF YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A MORATORIUM OR DECLARING A MORATORIUM ON THEM, ARE YOU NOT ALSO SAYING THAT YOU ARE LICENSING THEM FIRST SO THAT YOU CAN APPLY A MORATORIUM, OR YOU HAVE REGULATIONSN THEM ALREADY TO WHICH YOU CAN THEN SAY YOU HAVE A MORATORIUM? THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS IF YOU ARE SAYING THAT WE ARE REGULATING THEM NOW, IN ESSENCE, THE NUMBER THAT COULD BE IN THE CITY, SO YOU CAN THEN APPLY A MORATORIUM TO THEM, THEN WE'RE GETTING INTO THE TRAP THAT WAS ALREADY THMENTIONED THAT WE ARE REGISTERING THEM. BY PLACING A MORATORIUM ON AN INDUSTRY WE DON'T CONTROL AT THIS POINT WOULD SEEM TO ME TO BE AHEAD OF THE GAME, AND I RAISES IN MY HEADS WOULD ON THAT THINK THAT BY PLACING A MORATORIUM ON IT, WE ARE SAYING THAT WE ARE REGULATING THEM. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT TO DO RIGHT AT THIS POINT. [APPLAUSE] >> I DON'T WANT TO DIE VULG PRIVILEGED LEGAL ADVICE, BUT I HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS, AND I THINK WE COULD -- FOR THAT REASON WE COULD SKIP THE REGISTRATION PROGRAM ALTOGETHER BECAUSE I HAVE THAT CONCERN, OBVIOUSLY. I WANT TO BE CAREFUL TO STAY AWAY FROM DIE VULGING PRIVILEGED LEGAL ADVICE, BUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS MOVING FORWARD WITH A REGISTRATION PROGRAM ANYWAY. IF WE WERE GOING TO DO THAT, WHICH I WOULD CERTAINLY BE FINE NOT DOING THE REGISTRATION PROGRAM, BUT IF THAT IS THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL, I WOULD SAY AT THE VERY LEAST WE NEED A MORATORIUM ALONG SIDE IT. >> COUNCIL, WE NEED DIRECTION AND CLARIFICATION BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD. THERE WAS A MOTION AND A SECOND. IN THAT DIRECTION. I FEEL LIKE HAVING CLEAR DIREIONECAUSE IF THERE'S A MORATORIUM PROPOSAL THAT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS BEING RECOMMENDED FOR STEP ONE. >> MAYOR PRO TEMPORE, YOU SUGGESTED REGISTRATION AND PERMITTING PROCESS. >> I PERSONALLY DON'T KNOW THAT I FEEL LIKE I HAVE ENOUGH LEGAL DIRECTION ON DECIDING TO GO WITH A MORATORIUM TODAY. I ALSO FEEL LIKE YOU HAD SOME GOOD SUGGESTIONS, BUT I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT APPLYING SOME OF THOSE JUST TO A SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND NOT TO THE REST OF THE CITY. FOR EXAMPLE, I HAD SEVEN PEOPLE AT MY HOUSE THIS WEEKEND, FRIENDS, STAYING THERE THIS WEEKEND. SOME OF THE THINGS YOU SAID, I JUST GET CONCERNED ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO APPLY LAW EQUALLY ACROSS THE BOARD. I THINK WE NEED TO BE -- WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT THAT, AND I WOULD WANT TO GET SOME MORE LEGAL ADVICE ON SOME OF HOSE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU MADE. SOME OF THOSE BRING UP SOME CONCERN FOR ME. >> IF THAT'S THE CASE, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE A SHORT EXECUTIVE SESSION RIGHT NOW. I DO THINK THAT THERE'S LEGAL ADVICE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, IT WOULD BE WISE TO SHARE, BUT ALSO, I PERSONALLY I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE REGISTRATION PROGRAM TO BEGIN WITH, BUT WITHOUT SLOOES KRG I HAVING A MORATORIUM WITH IT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAI COULD SUPPORT AT THIS TIME. >> GO AHEAD. COUNCILMAN SMITH. >> I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT WE ALL WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. MY CONCERN IS AS COUNCILMAN GRADY AND MAYOR PRO TEM HAVE MENTIONED THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION. ONE THING WE WANT TO DO -- THE WORST THING TO DO IS DO SOMETHING WITHOUT THE RIGHT INFORMATION AND WE GET LEGALLY CHALLENGED ON IT, AND THEN WE'RE IN A WORSE PLACE THAN WE ARE NOW. IF WE HAVE GOOD INFORMATION, WE CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION AT SOME POINT IN TIME WHICH MAY INCLUDE A MORATORIUM BECAUSE AS COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS WAS LOOKING AT IN THE ZONING, THAT THERE AE CERTAIN AREAS THAT BED AND BREAKFAST AND SO FORTH BELONG AND AREAS THAT THEY DON'T BELONG. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NOTHING TO ADDRESS THAT. I THINK WE'RE IN THE PATH FOR THE FIRST STEP. I THINK THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AFF MEMBERS DEDICATED TO GETTING THE REGISTRATION, GETTING US INFORMATION. I DON'T THINK IT'S -- I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE CAN BE A PROLIFERY OF SETTING IT UP, AND THEN WE HAVE 2,000 MORE RENTALS POP UP. THE REAL ESTATE MARKET IS CHANGING. THE ABILITY TO FIND PROPERTIES NOW AND FINANCING IS GETTING MORE DIFFICULT. ESPECIALLY ON THE INVESTMENT SIDE OF THINGS. I THINK WE NEED THE INFORMATION. I'M DEFINITELY FOR -- AT LEAST GETTG THE REGISTRATION PROCESS GOING, GET SOME DATA AND THEN WE CAN ALWAYS MODIFY AS WE GET THE INFORMATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. >> CAN I GET A RAISE OF HANDS ON COUNCILMAN SMITH'S SUGGESTION? >> JUST MOVING FORWARD WITH THE REGISTRATION? >> MOVING FORWARD WITH THE REGISTRATION PERMITTING AND DATA COLLECTION. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS. >> UNLESS I MISSED IT, I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE REGISTRATION GIVES US THAT WE CAN'T ALREADY GET. [APPLAUSE] EVEN IF WE HAVE A REGISTRATION PROGRAM, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET EXACT NUMBERS OF HOW MANY SHORT-TERM RENTALS THERE ARE IN THE CITY BECAUSE JUST LIKE PEOPLE IN HOAs DON'T SUBMIT THE REQUESTED RESHINGLE THEIR ROOFS. SOME PEOPLE JUST AREN'T GOING TO REGISTER. WE CAN LOOK AT THE SOURCES. VRBO, HOME AWAY, AIRBNB. WE HAVE THE OWNER INFORMATION FOR THOSE PROPERTIES THROUGH BOTH CITY OF PLANO UTILITY AND THE CADS. WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION ALREADY WITHOUT THE REGISTRATION. I AM WARY ABOUT WHAT KIND OF POSITION THAT PUTS US IN, AND THEN IN TER HAVE HOLDING THE PROPERTY OWNERS ACCOUNTABLE, I WASN'T HEARING ANYTHING FROM THE REGISTRATION PROGRAM THAT ALLOWS US TO HOLD THEM MORE ACCOUNTABLE THAN WE CAN ALREADY FOR VIOLATIONS OF OUR NUISANCE ORDINANCES. I'M NOT SEEING WHAT WE GAIN FROM IT THAT WE CAN'T ALREADY DO. >> SHE SAID SHE'S GOING TO COME BACK WITH THAT. >> ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SUGGESTED WILL BE INCLUDED IN THAT, AND, AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT -- THEY'RE GOING TO USE ALL THOSE SOURCES FOR DATA COLLECTION. I TUGHT THE PURPOSE OF THAT WAS TO GATHER THE DATA, AND WE CAN ALREADY -- IF THE REGISTRATION PROGRAM IS GOING TO COME BACK WITH THE DATA, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE POINT THE REGISTRATION PROGRAM AFTER THAT. >> THEY'RE STATED THAT THEY CAC OBTAIN FROM THE REGISTRATION. THIRD PARTY IS GOING TO GIVE US THE LOCATION OF THOSE SPECIFIC SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT, BUT THEN DPURT ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT WAS TO BE ABLE TO GET A LOCAL REPRESENTATIVE, BECAUSE WE HAVE AN OUT OF STATE OWNER. I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE A LOCAL REPRESENTATIVE OR PROPERTY MAINTENANCE COMPANY THAT I WOULD KNOW TO BE ABLE TO CONTACT RIGHT NOW. THAT IS ACTUALLY ONE OF OUR BIGGER CHALLENGES WITH ANY KIND OF OUT OF THE LOCAL AREA OWNER IS MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN GET THINGS TAKEN CARE OF. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS, WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT MAKING ANY CHANGES RIGHT NOW TO THE EXISTING REGULATIONS, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IT WOULD ALLOW US TO DO POTENTIALLY IS TO HAVE MORE ACCESS. ONE OF THINGS TT WE COULD HAVE AS PART OF THE REGISTRATION PROGRAM IS TO POTENTIALLY HAVE THEM AGREE TO ALLOW US TO COME DO INTERIOR NNKSS SHOULD WE HAVE COMPLAINTS OR SHOULD WE HAVE CONCERNS. RIGHT NOW IT REQUIRES US GETTING A SEARCH WARRANT POTENTIALLY IF THEY DON'T AGREE TO THAT, AND SO THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT WOULD MAKE THIS A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO DO OUR ENFORCEMENT ACTIVITIES THAN WE DO RIGHT NOW. JUST KNOW THAT THAT IS PART OF OUR CHALLENGE. ANY TIME WE HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT IS WE HAVE TO MEET EXISTING REQUIREMENTS FEING ABL TO ENTER PROPERTY, AND SO THIS MAY GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH THAT. >> I THINK WE HAD THE NUMBERS TO GIVE YOU DIRECTION ON WHAT WE NEED TO DO GOING FORWARD. >> YES, SIR. >> MR. MAYOR, I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER THOUGHT. >> PLEASE. >> LET'S MAKE SURE THAT IN THE REGISTRATION PROCESS IT'S NOT AN AUTHORIZE. IT'S A REGISTRATION THAT THEY ARE CURRENTLY DOING AN ACTIVITY FOR WHICH WE ARE COLLECTING DATA, AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING IS COLLECTING DATA. IT ISOT AN AUTHORIZATION TO OPERATE. [APPLAUSE] >> I AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN GRADY SAID. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY THAT AT LEAST HAS A GOOD CHANCE OF PASSING LEGAL MUSTER. >> COUNLMAN GRADY WAS SUGGESTING IF WE ARE GOING TO IT DOESN'T CONSTITUTE AN CLEAR AUTHORIZATION OF OPERATING A SHORT-TERM RENTAL BUT THAT IT'S FOR RESEARCH. >> I DON'T THINK IT HAS ANY LEGAL SIGNIFICANCE. I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT, BUT OKAY. [OFF MICROPHONE] >> I THINK IN ANY DIRECTION WE HAVE THE NUMBERS. >> ALL RIGHT. >> NEXT ITEM, ITEM FIVE. COUNCIL DISCUSSION, POSSIBLE DIRECTION ABOUT VOLUNTEERING PROGRAM CHANGES. >> THIS WAS BROUGHT FORWARD BY COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS AND COUNCIL RICIARDELLI. >> WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE A LONG DISCUSSION. I WANTED TO EXPOUND ABOUT WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN OUR RETREAT. THE IDEA OCCURRED TO ME TWO-FOLD. NUMBER ONE, THAT IN AN INFLATIONARY ENVIRONMENT WE COULD TAKE SOME OF THE PRESSURE OFF OF OUR TAXPAYERS WITHOUT HAVING TO PASS THE INCREASED COST OF CITY SERVICES ON TO THEM BY BOLSTERING OUR VOLUNTEERS IN PLANO PROGRAM. RIGHT NOW OUR VIP PROGRAM PRIMARILY CENTERS ON INDIVIDUALS AND SMALL GROUPS. I THINK IF WE TOOK A MORE HOLISTIC VIEW TOWARDS THIS AND REVAMPED THE PROGRAM, MAYBE PUT IT ON STEROIDS, IF YOU WILL, THAT WE COULD ENLIST THE PARTICIPATION ACTIVE YEAR-ROUND PARTICIPATION OF OUR CORPORATE PARTNERS, OUR NONPROFIT AND FAITH COMMUNITIES, AND ALL OF THESE FOLKS ARE USUALLY JUMPING AT THE CHANCE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THEOMMUNITY AND IF WE WERE TO PUT A PROGRAM -- A BROADER PROGRAM TOGETHER IN A WAY THAT PROVIDES MEANINGFUL THINGS THAT NOT JUST INDIVIDUAL VOLUNTEERS CAN DO LIKE TRASH ESPECIALLY SKILLED RETIRED .- PEOPLE WHO CAN PROVIDE SERVICES FOR WHICH WE WOULD NOT NEED TO GO HIRE ADDITIONAL STAFF. WE COULD NOT ONLY PROVIDE THE THINGS THAT OUR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS PARTNERS HAVE COME TO EXPECT FROM THE CITY GOVERNMENT, BUT THAT WE OURSELVES HAVE KEN FOR GRANTED THAT WE'RE GOING TO KEEP OFFERING YEAR AFTER YEAR. ALSO, SET A REAL STANDARD IN ALL OF TEXAS OR PERHAPS AMERICA FOR VOLUNTEERING. NOW, THE DEPARTMENTS WE HAVE THAT DO THIS THE BEST ALREADY ARE PARKS, ANIMAL SHELTER, LIBRARY, AND I WOULD SAY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOES IT BEST. WE DON'T DO THIS ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY ORGANIZATION. IT'S ON A DEPARTMENT BY DEPARTMENT BASIS. I THINK WITH SOME OF THE VOLUNTEER MANAGEMENT EXPERTISE THAT WE ALREADY HE IN HOUSE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DEVISE AN ORGANIZATION-WIDE PROGRAM THAT MAKES BEST USE OF THE WILLINGNESS AND SKILLS AND TIME OF EVERYBODY ACROSS THE SPECTRUM IN OUR CITY. INDIVIDUALS, SKILLED FOLKS, CORPORATIONS, FAITH COMMUNITY, NONPROFITS, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS. THAT'S GOING TO ENTAIL A LOT OF REENVISIONING ABOUT HOW WE APPROACH THIS STUFF, BUT I THINK WE'RE UP TO THE TASK. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I THINK COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS SAID IT WELL. THE REASON I SECONDED WHEN HE ASKEDO P THIS ON THE AGENDA IS I THINK EVEN THOUGH MANY DEPARTMENTS, PERHAPS EVERY DEPARTMENT AT THE CITY, IS UTILIZING VOLUNTEERS TO AUGMENT WHAT THEY DO TO DELIVER SERVICES TO RESIDENTS. I THINK THAT IN MANY AREAS IT COULD BE DONE MORE SYSTEMATICALLY, AND I THINK A SHINING EXAMPLE OF A PROGRAM THAT'S WORKING WELL IS THE CAT PROGRAM THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS THAT REALLY HAS VOLUNTEERS DOING SOME THINGS THAT REALLY DO HELP TO TAKE THE LOAD OFF OTHE LICE DEPARTMENT USING VOLUNTEERS IN JUST VERY MEANINGFUL SYSTEMATIC WAYS. I THINK THAT HAVING EACH DEPARTMENT EVALUATE HOW COULD WE PERHAPS FURTHER INTEGRATE VOLUNTEERS INTO OUR OPERATIONS, USE VOLUNTEERS EVEN MORE MEANINGFULLY AND MORE SYSTEMATICALLY WOULD HELP US TO BOTH INCREASE SERVICE DELIVERY AND ALSO AS COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS ALLUDED TO, KEEP COSTS DOWN IN AN INFLATIONARY ENVIRONMENT. I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. >> IN 2019 WE HAD 5,452 VOLUNTEERS FOR 104,000 HOURS, TOTALLING A VALUE OF $2.6 MILLION. WE HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF TEAMS FROM CORPORATIONS, INCLUDING PE MUTUAL HILTE HALLMARK CAPITAL ONE, CHILDREN'S HEALTH, ABBOTT LABORATORIES. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE CITY ITSELF.LP RATHER THAN - WE'RE WORKING ON THAT AS A PIECE OF THIS EQUATION AS WELL BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT COUNCIL CAME UP WITH WAS HOW DO WE PAIR UP CITIZENS WHO WANT TO GIVE BACK WITH OTHER CITIZENS WHO ARE IN NEED? WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DESIGNING A PORTAL THAT WILL ALLOW ALL OF THAT TO WORK BETTER FOR THE CITY. WHETHER WE HAVE THOSE PORTALS AVAILABLE, I THINK WE'LL HAVE SOME MEANINGFUL STEPS TO HELP INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF CAPACITY WE HAVE FOR MATCHING PEOPLE UP E OPPORTUNITIES, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO BRINGING THAT BACK TO YOU WHEN WE HAVE THAT AVAILABLE. >> MARK, DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE FOR WHEN THAT MIGHT BE? UNDERSTANDING WE HAVE A WHOLE BUDGET PROCESS. >> FIRST OF ALL, TONIGHT WE ACTUALLY HAVE A SALES FORCE AGENDA ITEM THAT IS GOING TO HELP WITH THAT PROCESS. I DON'T HAVE A TIMELINE YET FOR WHEN THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WITH THE LUTI THAT WE'RE PURCHASING, IT'S IN OUR CUE. IT IS AN IMPORTANT PROJECT, BUT I DON'T HAVE A >> OKAY. I MIGHT LIKE TO SUGGEST, BECAUSE THIS IS JUST A HIGHLIGHT LEVEL IDEA AT THE MOMENT, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS RISES TO THE NEED TO ACTUALLY HAVE A CITIZEN COMMISSION, BUT AT LEAST MIGHT LIKE TO SUGGEST A FOCUS GROUP OF RESIDENTS AND INCLUDING BUSINESS RESIDENTS TO SOLICIT IDEAS AND SEE WHAT DIRECTION THIS MIGHT TAKE OR WHAT THEY MIGHT SAY, CAUSE, AGA, I GO BACK TO THE LISTENING TOUR, ONE OF THE THINGS I HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR CONSISTENTLY, AMONGST SOME OF THE MOST ENGAGED PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY IS THEY'RE UNFAMILIAR WITH IDEAS, HOW THEY CAN VOLUNTEER AND GET INVOLVED. I'M IS SURE THE PORTAL WILL HELP CONSIDERABLY WITH THAT, BUT WE STILL HEARD IT. >> UNDERSTOOD. AND AGAIN I THINK PART OF THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE, I'M NOT TRYING TO CREATE EXPECTATIONS THAT WE CAN'T LIVE UP TO. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE'RE ENGAGING WITH SOME OF THESE SOLUTIONS, WE'RE DOING SO WITH THE IDEA OF HOW BEST TO NOT ONLY COMMUNICATE, B TO PLUG IN THOSE RESOURCES, SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH GETTING OUR STAFF TO MEET WITH SOME OF OUR CORPORATE ENVIRONMENT AND SOME OF OUR OTHER FOLKS TO TALK ABOUT HOW BEST WE CAN APPROACH THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT BOTH OUR PORTAL AND OUR PRACTICES ARE FRIENDLY AND WELCOMING FOR THOSE THAT WANT TO GIVE BACK TO THE CITY, AND SO THEIR NEIGHBORS. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT ITEM IS CONCEPT AND CONSEND REGULAR AGENDAS. NEXT ITEMS IS COUNCIL ITEMS FOR FUTURE AGENDA. >> Smith : MR. MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM NUMBER C ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION. >> Mayor Muns: C? >> C. >> Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT. >> Ricciardelli: AND MR. MAYOR, ON THE ITEMS FOR FUTURE DISCUSSION, I DID HAVE A COUPLE. THE FIRST WAS A DISCUSSION OF HOW TO MAKE OPEN SPACE MORE MEANINGFUL. OUR DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING SHOWED THAT, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY THE DISCUSSION WAS IT DOESN'T MATT WHAT CHANGES WE MAKE TO THE OPE SPACE, BECAUSE THE OPEN SPACE ISN'T MEANINGFUL ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, TO USE MY WORDS, LEFTOVERS OF LAND, AND I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO LOOK AT WAYS TO MAKE OPEN SPACE MORE MEANINGFUL, THINGS LIKE INCREASING THE 30-FOOT WIDTH TO 40 OR 50-FOOT, AND OTHER WAYS TO MAKE OPEN SPACE MORE MEANINGFUL, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH THAT REQUIRES A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF OPEN SPACE THAN WE DO, AND I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT WHETHER WE MIG WANT TE CHANGES, REALLY EVERYTHING ABOUT OPEN SPACE ON THE TABLE, TALK ABOUT WAYS WHEN WE REQUIRE OPEN SPACE AS PART OF A DEVELOPMENT, WE CAN REALLY MAKE THAT MEANINGFUL. >> Mayor Muns: DOES ANYBODY ELSE AGREE WITH THAT. >> I THINK IT'S A GREAT DISCUSSION, I WAS WONDERING IF IT SHOULD BE A DISCUSSION FOR PLANNING AND ZONING. THAT SHOULD BE A ZONING DISCUSSION. >> Ricciardelli: SURE, I WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT. >> Mayor Muns: WHAT WAS THE OTHER ONE. >> Ricciardelli: THE OTHER ONE RELATED TO A POLICY FOR DETERMINING WHEN BOND AUTHORITY SHOULD BE USED, WHEN BOND SHOULD ACTUALLY BE ISSUED, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A USE-ANTICIPATED IN THE YEAR WHERE THE BOND IS ISSUED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS SOMETHING WE'RE -- BOND ISSUANCE LINES UP WITH, YOU KNOW, HAVING A PROJECT READY TO USE THE FUNDS. >> IS THIS IN REFERENCE TO THE PRIOR DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD EARLIER THIS EVENING? >> Ricciardelli:, YES, IT IS. >> Mayor Muns: WELL, WOULD YOU LIKE BOND UNDERWRITER AND ATTORNEY TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN KIND OF HOW THE PROCESS WORKS FOR ALL OF US. >> Ricciardelli: OH, SURE. I MORE MEANT JUST, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE DECIDING WHICH BONDS TO ISSUE IN A GIVING GIVEN YEAR, HOW DO WE AVOID SITUATIONS WHERE AHE BOND IS ISSUED AND IT'S NOT USED, YOU KNOW, IN REFERENCE TO THE PRIOR DISCUSSION. YOU KNOW, AND IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, NOT SOMETHING WE NEED TO PUT ON AN AGENDA, THAT'S FINE, IF THERE'S A BETTER FIRST STEP. >> AND COUNCILN, I THINK ATHAT WAS THE EXCEPTION RATHER THAN THE RULE. I THINK. >> Ricciardelli: SURE. >> -- AS WELL AS COUNCIL KNOWS, MAKE NO MISTAKE IN DISCUSSIONS WITH COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS, YOURSELF, AND ALL OF COUNCIL OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS, I'VE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO ISSUE BONDS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE USED WITHIN THE SPIRIT OF THEIR AUTHORITY AND IN A TIMELY FASHION. AND SO I'VE TAKE THAN TO HEART SO FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T KNOW THAT A POLICY DIRECTION IS NECESSARY FOR THAT DIRECTION TO ALREADY HAVE BEEN >> Ricciardelli:ELL, MARK, I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THAT TO HEART, YOU ARE INCREDIBLY RESPONSIVE AS IS THE STAFF, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO PUT THAT ON AN AGENDA. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. OH, I'M SORRY, COUNCILMAN SMITH. >> Smith : YEAH, JUST BEFORE YOU WRAP UP, I WANTED TO END ON MAYBE A POSITIVE NOTE, TONIGHT SKYLER LEWIS WAS ONE OF THE MEMBERS, YOUNG RESIDENTS OF PLANO, I BELIEVE MARK, THE BOYS & GIRLS CLUB, VERY NIC TREAT, VERY UNEXPECTED TREAT THAT WE STARTED OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION BY DISCOVERING THESE PERSONALIZED PACKAGES THAT WERE PUT TOGETHER FOR EACH OF US, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO SKYLER AND TO ALL THE OTHER YOUNG RESIDENTS OF PLANO FOR DOING THIS, AND IT WAS GREATLY APPRECIATED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [ APPLAUSE ] >> Mayor Muns: LET'S MOVE ON TO COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST. >> COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST. THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER WITH 30 TOTAL MINUTES ON ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON IMS THAT ARE ON T RREN AGENDA, THE COUNCIL MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS BUT MAY RESPOND WITH FACT ACTUAL OR POLICY INFORMATION. THE COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. AND JUST A REMINDER FOR OUR SPEAKERS NOT TO TOUCH THE MICROPHONE OR YELL INTO IT WHEN YOU APPROACH THE PODIUM. OUR FIRST SPEAKER THIS EVENING IS JAMES LOCHRIDGE. >> GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL, MAYOR GUYS, I'VE BEEN HERE NUMEROUS TIMES NOW. I'M GETTING FRUSTRATED. I'M TIRED OF THE PHONE CALLS FROM CODE COMPLIANCE. IT'S RIDICULOUS. IF I HEAR ONE MORE EXCUSE THAT'S JUST AN IDIOT EXCUSE. THE LAST EXCUSE I HEARD WAS, WELL, CITY COUNCIL WON'T LET ME REDUCE LESS THAN 50 FEET. HOW MANY PEOPLE ON CITY COUNCIL OTHER THAN MS. HOLMER HAS TALKED TO CODE COMPLIANCE? HOW MANY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ACTUALLY WENT AND TALKED TO CODE COMPLIANCE? I'M SITTING HERE LISTENING TO EVERYTHING GOING ON IN THIS MT THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL, YOU KNOW, NO ONE HAS AN ANSWER. NO ONE CAN MAKE A DECISION. NO ONE CAN DO ANYTHING. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. I'VE LISTENED TO THE YOUNG LADY TALK ABOUT HOW SHE CAN'T GO ON SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY OR THEY CAN'T GET ACCESS OR THEY CAN'T DO THIS, BUT YET YOU CAN GO ON MY PROPERTY, YOU CAN MOW MY CROPS, YOU CAN TELL ME WHAT I CAN AND CAN'T DO, HOW TALL MY GRASS CAN BE, WHAT CROP I CAN OR CANNOT GROW. SO WHAT IS THE TRU? IS IT THE FACT THAT YOU CAN'T GO ON SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY BECAUSE YOU LITERALLY GO ON MINE EVERY TIME YOU WANT TO. AM I RIGHT? SO WHAT'S THE STORY? CAN YOU GO ON SOMEBODY'S PROPERTY? CAN YOU NOT? HOW MANY OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE LITERALLY SAT DOWN WITH CODE COMPLIANCE TO LOOK AT THE STATE LAWS? OTHER THAN MS. HOLMER, I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY AT ALL. IT SAYS RIGHT HERE, FROM THE STATE LEGISLATORS AND THE TEXAS FARM BUREAU, THERE'S A LOT TO TALK ABOUT. THERE ARE SEVERAL EXAMPLES IN DALLAS - FORT WORTH AREA WHERE CITIES ARE USING THEIR PUBLIC NUISANCE ORDINANES TO PROHIBIT AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITIES, AND ONE CITY GRASS GROWN FOR HAY IS NOT ALLOWED TO GROW TALLER THAN 12 INCHES WITHOUT THE CITY COMING IN AND MOWING THE PROPERTY AND SENDING THE BILL TO ME, PLANO, TEXAS, PERFECT EXAMPLE. JUNE 1, WHEN I WAS AT THE CAPITOL SPEAKING, THREE CITIES JUMPED ON THE BAND WAGON TO MOW CROPS TO THE GROUND FOR TWO FARMERS, MYSELF BEING ONE OF THEM, BECAUSE OF A NUISANCE ACT. I'M TIRED THIS NUISANCE. YOUAVE T HAVE GRASS THAT IS 12 INCHES TALL GROWING RATS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, COLLECTING TRASH, BUT YET YOU'RE GOING TO COME AND PICK ON OUR CROPS. I'M ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO DO SOMETHING TONIGHT. STOP HAVING ONE PERSON CALL ME AND TELL ME THAT CITY COUNCIL CAN'T MAKE A DECISION. CITY COUNCIL WON'T LET THEM DROP THEIR ORDINANCE FROM 2 50 TO 50 TO 20 OR WHATEVER THE STATE REQUIRES. >> 20 SECONDS. >> IT'S GOT TO COME TO A STOP, GUYS, MAKE A DECISION, DO SOMETHING. YOR, WOULD LOVE TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU. NOT YET HAVE YOU PICKED UP THE PHONE TO CALL ME. NOT ONE TIME. I'M NOT A BAD PERSON. I DON'T THINK YOU'RE A BAD PERSON. BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME DISCUSSION. AND ANY CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, JUST LIKE MS. HOLMER DID, IS WELCOME TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL ME, I'LL BE HAPPY TO VISIT WITH YOU. I'LL BE HAPPY TO GET A STATE REP OR SENATOR IN HERE IN YOU WANT ME TO, WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET A RESOLUTION, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND LET'S TALK. THANK YOU. >> PLANO HAS A WONDERFUL AND INCREDIBLY DIVERSE POPULATION WHICH IS A LARGE PART OF WHAT MAKES IT SO EXCEPTIONAL. I AM PROUD TO SERVE IN A COMMUNITY THAT IS ACCEPTING, INCLUSIVE AND WELCOMING TO EVERYONE THAT CHOOSES TO LIVE, WORK AND PLAY IN PLANO. PRIDE MONTH IS OBSERVED IN JUNE TO HONOR THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE STONE WALL UPRISING, A TOUCH STONE EVENT IN LBGTQ THAT LAID THE FOUNDATION FOR PRIDE T MONTH OF JUNE HAS BECOME NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED AS A TIME TO HONOR THE LBGTQ PLUS COMMUNITY FIGHT FOR UALITY. ALTHOUGH PRIDE MONTH I CELEATED E ORGANIZERS OF THE NORTH TEXAS PRIDE FESTIVAL WISED UP LAST YEAR AND DECIDED THAT AN OUTDOOR FESTIVAL IN TEXAS IN JUNE IS NOT IDEAL, SO ON SEPTEMBER 17th THIS YEAR, THEY WOULD BE HOLDING THEIR ELEVENTH ANNUAL NORTH TEXAS PRIDE FESTIVAL, WOULD BE THEIR 12th, IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE PANDEMIC, AND IT WILL BE HELD AT THE ARTS CENTER OF PLANO IN OUR CHARMING DOWNTOWN PARK. THIS IS A FAMILY FRIENDLY EVENT WHICH INCLUDES LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AS WELL AS MANY FOOD, ART AND RETAIL VENDORS, OUR PLANO CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE THE HONOR OF PRESENTING THE FOUNDERS AND ORGANIZERS WITH A PROCLAMTION DECLARING -- EXCUSE ME, SEPTEMBER 17th, 2022 AS NORTH TEXAS PRIDE DAY IN PLANO. I HOPE YOU WILL MARK YOUR CALENDARS AND PLAN TO JOIN THE CELEBRATION. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER. DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM? >> MR. MAYOR, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS WITH REGARD TO -- WELLLET JUST START FROM THE BEGINNING. ABOUT A WEEK AGO, I AND SEVERAL OF OUR STAFF AS WELL AS OUR COUNCILMEMBERS ATTENDED A EVENT THAT WAS SPONSORED BY THE DOUGLAS COMMUNITY. ONE OF THE OLDEST COMMUNITIES IN PLANO NEIGHBORHOOD. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STRUCK ME WITH REGARD TO THE SPEECH THAT WAS GIVEN WAS THAT THEY SAW -- DURING THE TIME WHEN THEY REALLY NEED THE VOLUNTEERS TO HELP THEM DURING THE PANDEMIC, THEY SAW THIS MAN AND THIS WOMAN THAT SORT OF JUST SAT IN THE BACKGROUND, YOU KNOW, AND JUST DID A WHOLE BUNCH OF WORK WITHOUT SAYING ANYTHING, THAT THEY LATER LEARNED TO BE MAYOR JOHN MUNS AND MUNS. THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE TIME THEY'RE VOLUNTEERING, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS DURING CAMPAIGN SEASON, NOT ONCE DID OUR MAYOR ASK TO BE RECOGNIZED OR TO BE ASKED TO AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, SPEAK ON SOME COMMENTS WITH REGARD TO WHY HE WAS THERE. HE PUT HIS HEAD DOWN JUST LIKE HIS WIFE, AND WORKED. AND WORKED, AND WORKED. AND I THINK THAT REALLY HIT ME VERY HARD BECAUSE WHAT I HAVE COME TO REALIZE ABOUT OUR MAYOR IS THAT HE IS AN ACTION PERSON. HE'S NOT A TALKER. HE ACTS. AND THROUGH HIS ACTION, YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT HE IS AS A PERSON. AND THE REASON WHY I WANT TO BRING THAT UP IS BECAUSE OUR MAYOR IS MORE OF A INSTINCTUAL PERSON RATHER THAN A -- WHEN HE MAKES HIS REAPPOINTMENT OF MARIA TU AS DEPUTY PRO TESTIMONY, IT'S A SOLID WAY TO SAY THAT HE BELIEVES IN THE UNITY OF PLANO AND HE BELIEVES IN THE DIVERSITY OF OUR COMMUNITY REALLY NEEDS A VOICE. HE DOESN'T SAY IT. HE JUST DOES IT. AND TO THAT, I REALLY WANT AKEURE THAT THIS DOESN'T JUST GET SWEPT BY AND NOBODY RECOGNIZE THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS EVENT, AND THAT I WANT TO BE ON THE RECORD SAYING I AM NOT ONLY GRATEFUL, I AM HONORED. I AM SURE THERE ARE MANY OF OUR COUNCILMEMBERS WHO ARE MORE EXPERIENCED AND QUALIFIED TO BE SITTING IN THE DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM SEAT, BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT OUR MAYOR WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE 22%, THE ASIAN POPULATION CITY OF PLANO, AND THE MORE THAN 50% OF THE DIFFERENT MINORITYROUPS AT AREN PLANO ARE RECOGNIZED FOR THEIR HARD WORK AND FOR THEIR PARTICIPATION IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MAYOR. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, DEPUTY MAYOR, I APPRECIATE THIS, BUT I KNOW THIS WHOLE CITY COUNCIL IS ALSO -- LETS THEIR ACTION SPEAK FOR ALL THEY. ^ >> I APPRECIATE YOUR WORDS. >> THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED IN ONE MOTION. ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION BY A COUNCILMEMBER, THE CITY MANAGER, OR ANY CITIZEN. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS. >> MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA EXCEPT TORE ITEM C CHARLIE. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO -- PLEASE VOTE. THANK YOU, MOTION PASSES. 8-0. >> ITEM C, RFP NUMBER 2022-0117 ER FOR A ONE-YEAR CONTRACT AND WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY RENEWED FOR AN ADDITIONAL ONE-YEAR PERIOD UNTIL 8,000 PAVERS HE BEEN PURCHASED FOR VETERANS, RECOGNITION PAVERS FOR RECS AN -- >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. I'M RENEE JORDAN, PARK PLANNING MANAGER. I'M HERE TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. ARE I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THIS ONE ITEM FOR ALL OF THE VETERANS IN THE CITY OF PLANO AND OUR VETERANS REALLY EVERYWHERE THAT ARE LISTENING THAT THIS PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE EN WORKING ON FOR MANY YEARS AT MEMORIAL PARK IS FINALLY COME TO A COMPLETION, AND THE NAMES OF VETERANS AND THEIR FAMILIES THAT WOULD LIKE TO PUT THE NAMES OF THEIR VETERANS IN PERPETUITY INTO THE STONE WORK AT MEMORIAL PARK IS NOW READY TO ROLL. I WANTED TO GIVE YOU MY APPRECIATION FROM THE VETERANS COMMUNITY THROUGHOUT PLANO AND THROUGHOUT THE COLIN COUNTY TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR CONTINUING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD SO THEY HAVE A WAY AND FAMILIES HAVE A WAY OF RECOGNIZING VETERANS OF THOSE THAT HAVE -- ARE STILL WITH US, AND THOSE THAT WE HAVE LOST TO BE ABLE TO MEMORIALIZE THEM AT THE PARK. MY HOPE IS THAT ALL OF THE VETERANS THAT WE NAME, EVERY MEMORIAL DAY THAT THOSE ARE A PROMINENT PLACE AT THE PARK WHERE THOSE NAMES WILL BE RECOGNIZED AND SO THAT THEY ARE SITTING UP FRONT AND CENTER. AS I COMMITTED THEN AND I WILL COMMIT NOW, THOSE THAT WE LOST DURING THE WAR THAT I BATTLED THROUGH, I WILL PERSONALLY PAY FOR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> CONSENT AGENDA ITEM C. PLEASE VOTE. THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES 8-0. ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. >> PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO 15 MINUTES PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE-MINUTE REBUTTAL IF NEEDED. NONPUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT PUBLIC ITEMS FOR AGENDA E ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL HAVE ITEMS BASED ON THE SPEAKER REQUESTS AND TO INSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY AND MAY INCLUDE A CUMULATIVE TIME LIMIT. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER THE REQUESTS ARE RECEIVED UNTIL THE CUMULATIVE TIME IS EXHAUSTED. ITEM NUMBER ONE. PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN ZONING CASE 2022-0505 TO AMEND ART CAL FOUR AMEND AMS OF COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY, ORDINANCE NUMBER 2001-5-2 AS HERETOFOREAMOUNTEDED. PERTAINING TO THE NOTICE AND REQUIREMENTS FOR CITY-INITIATED ZONING CASES ONRIVATE PROPERTY AND PROVIDING A PENALTY CAUSE, A REPEALER CAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> GOOD EVENING. I'M CHRISTINA DAY, THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING. I'M JOINED THIS EVENING BY MANAGER CHRISTINA SEBASTIAN AND PLANNER ROBIN KIRK. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR ITEM NUMBER ONE, A ZONING CASE 2022-005, WHICH WOULD AMEND THE ZONING ORDINANCE REGARDING NOTICE REQUIREMENTS FOR CITY-INITIATED ZONING CASES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. IT DOES NOT RELATE TO ANY PRIVATELY INITIATED OR PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTIES. ONLY THOSE THAT WOULD BE INITIATED BY THE CITY. THIS HAS COME UP. IT'S A LITTLE LATE TO COME UP. THAT WAS BASED ON A SINGLE CASE WHERE AN INDIVIDUAL OWNER DID NOT WANT TO PLACE SIGNS ON THEIR PROPERTY AS WAS THE NORM. WE CHANGED THE ORDINANCE AT THAT TIME. SDU TO THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE SEEN SINCE THAT TIME WE HAVE NOT HAD LOOCH CITY-INITIATED ZONING CASES. THAT HAS BEEN A RELATIVELY NORMAL PRACTICE OVER THE YEARS. THIS CHANGE WHEN WE STARTED MANDATING SIGN PLACEMENT WAS UNUSUAL. THE CITY WOULD NOT NORMALLY PLACE ZONING SIGNS WHEN IT WAS A CITY-INITIATED CASE. THAT WAS A PRIVATE PROPERTY INITIATIVE. WE HAVE NOTICED THOUGH IN RECENT YEARS WHERE THIS ISSUE HAS COME UP THROUGH SOME COURT CASES TT HAVE BROUG IT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT THERE ARE SOME LEGAL HURDLES THAT THE CITY WILL HAVE TO OVERCOME AND SOME PRACTICAL HURDLES IF WE LEAVE THE ORDINANCE AS IT'S WRITTEN TODAY. WE BROUGHT THIS TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WITH A DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION ITEM ON MARCH 1st. THEY CALLED A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 21st OF MARCH. IT WAS TABLED MAY 16th, AND THEN THEY RECOMMENDED APPROVAL AS IS IN YOUR PACT ON JUNE 6th. YOU CAN SEE BACK DURING THE RECESSION THERE WERE QUITE A FEW CITY-MICHIGAN YALTED ZONING CASES. THIS IS A NORMAL PRACTICE WHERE WE'RE RESIBDING ISSUES FOR PRIVATE CLUBS, WE'RE AMENDING BOUNDARIES OF ZONING DISTRICTS. USUALLY THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT REAL ESTATE CYCLE DURING DOWNTURNS, WE DO A LOT OF ORDINANCE CLEAN-UP. THAT'S BEEN OUR STANDARD PRACTICE OVER YEARS, SO YOU HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF THAT RECENTLY. WEVER,ECENTLYE HAVE MADE A LOT OF CHANGES TO THE WAY WE CONDUCT BUSINESS WITH REGARD TO ZONING NOTICES. YOU CAN SEE SLIGHTLY SMALL ASTERISKS BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY -- THERE'S SO MUCH CONTENT HERE, BUT THE ASTERICK ITEMS ARE STATE LAW REQUIREMENTS, SO I BELIEVE THERE ARE FOUR REQUIREMENTS THERE. MAILED NOTICES WITHIN 200 FEET. MAIL NOTICES TO SCHOOL DISTRICTS. NEWSPAPER PUBLICATION PRIOR TO THE CITY COUNCIL HEARING, AND THEN AGENDAS POSTED ONLINE. THAT'S WHAT THE STATEAW REQUIRES. YOU CAN SEE PLANO DOES MUCH, MUCH MORE THAN THAT. WE POST OUR ENTIRE PACKETS ONLINE. WE MAIL NOTICES TO PEOPLE WITHIN 500 FEET. THAT WAS ADDED IN 2015. WE HAVE FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME MAILED NOTICES TO HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS AND NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS IF WE HAVE THEIR REGISTRATION INFORMATION WITHIN 1,500 FEET. WE ALSO MAIL TO THE MEDIA, SO THE PLANO'S HOMEOWNERS CONDITIONS. WE DO PACKET POSTING. WE AREN'T SURE ABOUT THE EXACT TIMING OF THIS, BUT OUTSIDE OF LIVE AND ARCHIVE VIDEO FOR PNZ AND COUNCIL MEETING, WE DO FACEBOOK LIVE AND YOUTUBE STREAMING. WE'VE ADDED A LINK TO THE PLANO CITY NEWS EMAIL NEWSLETTER. THAT WAS IN 2015. 2015 WAS A BUSY YEAR FOR US WHERE WE ADDED A LOT OF STUFF THAT YEAR. WE INCLUDED AN ACTIVE ZONING PETITIONS WEB PAGE. WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKI AT WAYS WE AS CAN IMPROVE BOTH LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR. WE LAUNCHED AN ACTIVE DEVELOPMENT MAP THAT INCLUDED ZONING IN 2016, A RESPONSE MAP IN 2017, AND AN ALERT EMAIL SYSTEM IN 2022. THE ZONING PETITIONS WEB PAGE, THIS WAS ONE OF OUR EARLIER ADDITIONS. THAT RECENT UPDATES INCLUDE THE FACT THAT YOU CAN GET PD STIPULATIONS. YOU CAN GET PLANS. YOUAN G LINKS T MEETINGS. YOU CAN GET SIMPLIFIED DESCRIPTIONS. IT'S IN AN EXPANDIBLE TABLE. A LOT MORE INFORMATION THAN YOU CAN GET IN PREVIOUS YEARS ONLINE. THE ZONE AND DEVELOPMENT ACCESS MAP INCLUDES ZONING AND CONTACT INFORMATION, AND IT'S A 12-MONTH SUPPLY OF INFORMATION REGARDING BOTH ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT PROJECT PROJECTS. THE ZONING CASE RESPONSE MAP ALLOWS PEOPLE TO GO ONLINE AND PROVIDE INFORMATION AND THAT'S THEN MAPPED. YOU WILL GET THAT INFORMATION WHEN PEOPLE RESPOND THROUGH THIS ONLINE PORTAL FOR -- WE'VE RECENTLY CHANGED OUR MAIL FORMAT TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE INTERESTING AND THE TEXT A LITTLE MORE USER-FRIENDLY. WE'VE ADDED A QR CODE THAT TAKES YOU TO THE WEBSITE. WE'VE CREATED TWO SEPARATE LETTERS. ONE THE RESPONSE LETTER THAT YOU MAIL BACK IN. WE INCLUDE AN ENVELOPE FOR THAT TO TRY TO MAKE IT REALLY EASY FOR PEOPLE TO UTILIZE, AND THEN THE NOTICE ITSELF THAT GIVES YOU THE INFORMATION IS ON A SEPARATE SHEET SO PEOPLE DON'T MAIL THAT BACK IN. THEY ACTUALLY CAN KEEP THAT SO THEY HAVE THE INFORMATION HANDY. THEN, OUR MOST RECENT UPDATE, THIS CAME OUT OF THE CPRC PROCESS. THE ZONING CASE ALERT EMAIL SYSTEM, AND THIS ALLOWS PEOPLE TO GET EMAIL NOTICES BASED ON AT THE ZIP CODE GEOGRAPHY OF THEIR CHOICE, SO THEY CAN GET THE WHOLE CITY OR SELECT ANY OF THESE ITEMS. THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS THAT PEOPLE CAN GET INFORMATION ON ZONING, SOME OF WHICH ARE NEW, SOME OF WHICH ARE OLD, BUT MANY THAT EXCEED STATE LAW REQUIREMENTS. THE ISSUE HERE IS WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD REMOVE THE SIGN POSTING REQUIREMENTS FOR CITY INITIATED ZONING. THE REQUEST IS THAT THAT BE -- THAT WE HAVE A SUBSTITUTION WHERE THERE ARE THESE THREE REQUIREMENTS BEING MET. ONE, THE ZONING ACTIO INITIATED BY THE CITY OF PLANO AND THESE REFERENCES ARE IN THE ZONING CODE AS PROPOSED. ITEM TWO IS THAT IT ONLY APPLIES TO REAL PROPERTY, SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT TEXT AMENDMENTS. THREE, IS THAT THE REAL PROPERTY IS NOT OWNED BY THE CITY OF PLANO. NOW, WE WANTED TO REALLY THINK THROUGH THIS. IF WE DO A LARGE SCALE REZONING, THERE'S GOING TO BE A RIGHT-OF-WAY. THERE'S GOING TO BE POTENTIALLY LET'S SAY THERE'S A PARK OR SOME OTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED BY THE CITY. IT COULD END UP REALLY BNG MISLEADING IF WE POST A SINGLE SIGN ON THE CITY'S PROPERTY WHEN IT'S REALLY A MUCH LARGER SCALE REZONING. WE WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT IF IT'S THE CITY'S PROPERTY THAT'S BEING REZONED, BUT FITZ A LARGER SCALE MINORITY PROPERTY, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WHERE SIGN POSTING WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. WE DID NOT WANT TO -- WE WANTED TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTION HERE. NOT JUST TAKE AWAY THE SIGNS AND NOT DO SOMETHING IN EXCHANGE. THE IDEA IS TO NOT POST SIGNS BECAUSE OF THE CHALLENGES THERE, THE PRACTICAL CHALLENGES, BUT WE WOULD DO AN ADDITIONAL FORM OF PUBLIC NOTICE THAT WOULD BE THROUGH MEDIA, GENERALLY ADVISED BY THE CITY MANAGER, AND WE WOULD ALLOW FOR THAT FLEXIBILITY SO AS THE TECHNOLOGY SHIFTS, WE DIDN'T WANT TO NAMEOMETHING VERY SPECIFIC BECAUSE WE KNOW THINGS CHANGE. THINGS CHANGE QUICKLY OVER TIME, AND SO WE WANTED TO ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE FOR US TO ADAPT AS THINGS CHANGE. ALSO, IN CASE THE TITLES CHANGE OVER TIME. THIS IS THE RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE THAT CAME OUT OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WITH A UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL. YOU'LL SEE IT IS FOR REQUESTS ON REAL PROPERTY. ANY PETITIONER HAVING A POSSESSORY INTEST IN PROPERTY STILL IS REQUIRED TO DO ZONING SIGNS, SO THAT DOES NOT CHANGE. WHEREAS ALLOWED BY THE ORDINANCE, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OR COUNCIL INITIATE PROCEEDING FOR ZONING ON PROPERTY NOT UNDER CONTROL BY THE CITY, THE CITY CAN POST THE REQUEST ON MEDIA COMMUNICATIONS PLATFORM AS RECOMMENDED BY THE CITY MANAGER OR THEIR DESIGNEE. THAT IS THE RECOMMENDED LANGUAGE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING. IT IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH, WE BELIEVE, WITH THE CPREHENSIVE PL PROVIDING SUPPORT FOR THE LAND USE POLICY, THE LAND USE ACTION, MAKING AMENDMENTS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND PARTICIPATION POLICIES AND ACTIONS STATING THAT WE'LL SEEK CIVIC PARTICIPATION, SO IT'S CONTINUING THAT ENGAGEMENT, ACTIONS THREE AND FIVE THAT WE DO CONTINUE OUTREACH AND USE INNOVATIVE TECHNOLOGY. WE DID END UP WITH ONE LATE RESPONSE. WHEN WE PUBLISHED OUR SLIDES, WE DID NOT HAVE A RESPONSE. WE DID WAS IN OPPOSITION THAT WE RECEIVED TODAY. I WANTED TO GIVE THAT BRIEF UPDATE. WITH THAT, WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ON THIS ITEM. >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MAYOR PRO TETEM. >> CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE TO THE EXAMPLES WHERE THIS WOULD APPLY? AS F >> AS FAR AS WHERE IT WOULD APPLY? >> YOU HAVE DONE THIS MANY SCINDING OF SUPs FOR PRIVATE CLUB. >> YES. THE TABLE I THINK. NOT THIS TABLE, BUT THE OTHER TABLE. THERE YOU ARE. >> I KNOW THAT MANY TIMES, FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY THE SUP FOR PRIVATE CLUBS THAT WILL BE TIED TO ANOTHER ZONING CASE WHERE SOMEONE IS ZONING SOMETHING NEW, AND THE SUP OR THE PRIVATE CLUB ISN'T NECESSARY ANYMORE, SO THOSE TWO ZONING CASES -- THE SUP WILL BE REMOVED AT THE SAME TIME. CORRECT? >> SOMETIMES THAT'S THE CASE. THERE IS A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WORK PROGRAM ITEM THAT'S BEEN ON THE BACK BURNER SINCE ABOUT 2014 WHEN YOU SEE THOSE LAST FIVE CASES TO RESCIND SUPs FOR PRIVATE CLUB. THOSE ARE PRIVATE CLUBS THAT ARE NO LONGER IN USE, AND THOSE WERE ALL CITY-INITIATED. PURELY BY THE CITY. THOSE WERE NOT RELATED TO OTHER ZONING CASES. >> ON SO THIS' 28 NUMBER INCLUDES TO ONES THAT WERE TIED TO OER ZONING CASES AND ONES THAT WERE JUST PURELY ON THEIR OWN? >> RIGHT. YOU SEE IN 2014 ^ FIVE WERE RESIBDED. IN 2013 11 WERE RESCINDED AND IN 2012 23 WERE RESCINDED. THOSE WERE TO MY KNOWLEDGE ALL PURELY CITY-INITIATED AND DID NOT HAVE TO DO WITH OTHER PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT. >> I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS HOW MANY TIMES THEY ARE RELATED TO SOMETHING ELSE AND THERE MIGHT ALREADY BE A SIGN UP THERE BECAUSE IT'S UP THERE FOR A RELATED ZONING CASE. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE TIME DO YOU THINK THAT WILL BE THE CASE? >> MOST OF THE CITY INITIATED ONES -- WHAT WE SAID IS IF THERE'S A -- LET'S SAY THE CITY HAS INITIATED FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT WHERE THEY CAN'T GET ALL THE OWNERS' SIGNATURES. WE STILL REQUIRE BECAUSE YOU'RE AN OWNER OF PROPERTY THAT YOU ARE GOING TO POST ON YOUR PROPERTY. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CIRCUMVENT SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT CASE. THIS IS REALLY WHERE THEITY IS INITIATING A ZONING CHANGE AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY WAY TO COMPEL A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER TO POST A SIGN ON THEIR PROPERTY. WE WOULD HAVE TO GO IN AND GET AN EASEMENT AND PERHAPS PAY MONEY FOR THAT EASEMENT AS WELL AS PAY FOR THE SIGN. ALSO, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MULTIPLE PIECES OF PROPERTY, WE COULD CONCEPTUALLY HAVE TO PUT WHAT PROPERTY ARE WE GOING TO CONSIDER PUTTING THE SIGNS ON? WHEN WE STARTED THINKING THROUGH THIS, WE HAVE SOME ZONING DISTRICTS CALLED PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS THAT NEED TO BE -- WE KNOW NEED TO BE REZONED. IT'S ON THE PNZ'S WORK PROGRAM. THEY'RE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE OUTDATED ZONING THAT NEEDS TO ESSENTIALLY BE MADE CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING ORDINANCE. NOT THE REGULATIONS CHANGED. IT'S A TECHNICALITY, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE FIXED SO THE ZONING IS RIGHT. ARE WE GOING TO GO IN AND PUT ZONING SIGNS ON EVERY SINGLE INDIVIDUAL SINGLE FAMILY LOT IN THAT SUBDIVISION? I THINK PEOPLE WOULD BE VERY UPSET WITH US IF WE DID THAT. BUT THAT COULD BE THE RESULT OF THE ORDINANCE AS IT STANDS TODAY. WE THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PRACTICAL PROBLEMS WITH USING THE ORDINANCE THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO RES RESOLVE. >> COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER. >> THE ONE LETTER WE DID GET IN OPPOSITION SAID THAT PEOPLE HAVE COME TO RELY ON SEEING THAT SIGNAGE UP AND JUST LIKE TO CONTINUE SEEING THAT. NOW WE GO IN AND PUT IN OURIP CODE TO BE NOTIFIED WHENEVER ERE'S A ZONING CHANGE. WOULD IT BE DIFFICULT TO CHANGE THAT PORTAL TO PUT -- CHECK A BOX THAT YOU WANT TO BE NOTIFIED SPECIFICALLY FOR SITUATIONS LIKE THIS BECAUSE THEY'RE SO RARE? >> CERTAINLY. WE COULD LOOK AT I WANT TO BE NOTIFIED FOR ALL CITY INITIATED ZONING CASES. >> I THINK I GET A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT, AND I'VE RELIED ON SEEING THOSE SIGNS. I KNOW I CAN AT LEAST GET AN EMAIL TO KNOW IF ONE OF THESE VERY UNUSUAL CASES COMES UP. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD -- IF THAT WOULD ASSUAGE THE CONCERNS. I THOUGHT IT WAS A THOUGHT THAT WE COULD LOOK INTO THAT. >> THOSE WOULD STILL BE INCLUDED. IF YOU ARE SIGNED UP FOR THE ZONING CASES ALERTS, YOU WOULD GET ALL OF THOSE. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO TAKE AN EXTRA STEP. YOU'LL GET THOSE CASES. >> I WAS JUST SAYING, BECAUSE WHEN YOU PUT IN A ZIP CODE, YOU GET SO MUCH INFORMATION, AND IF THEY ARE GOING TO SEE THE SIGNS IN THEIR ZIP CODE ALREADY, RIGHT? THIS WOULD JUST NOTIFY THEM ABOUT THE ONES THAT THE SIGNS AREN'T GOING UP ANYMORE. SURE SURE. >> IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING DIFFICULT TO DO. IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION. WE COULD ADD THAT AS AN OPTION. >> >WE COULD ADD THAT AS AN OPT. >>WE COULD ADD THAT AS AN OPTION. >WE COULD ADD THAT AS AN OPTION. >> THE CASE OF NORTH GATE MONTESSORI TAUGHT ME THAT SIGNS ARE IMPORTANT. I SUSPECT WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET GREATER REGISTRATION IN THAT THAN WE GET VOTER TURNOUT IN LOCAL ELECTIONS AND FOR MUCH OF THE SAME REASON. I THINK PEOPLE HAVE COME TO RELY ON THE SIGNS, AND EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT IF OR RELYING ON IT, THERE'S NOTHING AS LITERALLY IN YOUR FACE AS A SIGN. I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT NOT REQUIRING IT IN CERTAIN CASES. THIS LOOKS LIKE WE'VE GOT, ON AVERAGE, ONE A YEAR OR EVERY TWO YEARS WHERE THIS WOULD APPLY. WITH THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I AM MINDFUL THAT WE MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL CASES, MORE THAN ONE EVERY TWO YEARS, OF CITY-INITIATED ZONING. IN THE TEXT OF THE ORDINANCE I SEE WHERE PNZ COUNCIL INITIATES PROCEEDINGS AND ON ANY PROPERTY NOT OWNED AND CONTROLLED BY THE CITY, THE CITY MAY POST NOTICE ON THE COMMUNICATIONS PLATFORM. I HAVE ASKED IN ADVANCE OF THE MEETING A QUESTION ABOUT THIS ITEM, AND I WAS TOLD THAT ONE OF THE SCENARIOS IN WHICH THIS MIGHT APPLY, WHICH YOU KIND OF TOUCHED ON IN YOUR PRESENTATION, WAS WHERE THE CITY IS ASSISTING A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER WHERE THEY DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE CONTROL OF ALL THE PROPERTIES. I THINK THE EXAMPLE OF INDIVIDUAL HOMES IS A GOOD ONE. HOWEVER, THAT SHOWS THAT WE MIGHT BE INITIATING SOMETHING ON BEHALF OF A PROPERTY OWNER WHERE A SIGN WOULD NEVER GO UP OR WE MIGHT INITIATE SOMETHING AND BECAUSE IT'S CITY-INITIATED, WE MIGHT BE CHANGING THE ZONING OF AN AREA TO ALLOW SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY ALLOWED, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER COULD THEN GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH BY RIGHT DEVELOPMENT THERE WHERE THE NEARBY SIDENTS, BUSINESSES NEVER SAW ANYTHING BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T REGISTER ON THE ONLINE PORTAL OR CHE WHATEVER MEDIA WE'RE CHOOSING TO PUBLISH IN. THEY JUST HAD NO NOTICE. NOT HAVING A SIGN RESULTED IN A PHENOMENAL PROCEDURE IN THE WAY OF WESTGATE. I'M WARY OF NOT PUTTING UP SIGNS, AND I DON'T PRETEND TO HAVE A PERFECT ANSWER HERE. I'M LIKEWISE WARY OF THE CASE OF PROPERTY OWNERS WHERE THEY SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANT TO, SAYS AND THEY DON'T WANT TO PUT UP A SIGN FOR A CITY INITIATED REQUEST. THEN WE'RE STUCK. ACTUALLY, THAT -- WE HAVE EVEN THE CHOICE OF EMINENT DOMAIN FOR A TEMPORARY EASEMENT JUST TO PLACE A SIGN? I UNDERSTAND IT'S A HURDLE, BUT IS THAT -- DOES EVEN JUST TO GET THE EASEMENT TO PLACE A SIGN, EVEN IF IT'S ONE SIGN THAT APPLIES TO A WHOLE PARCEL OF 30, 40 HOMES TO TAKE THAT EXAMPLE WHERE WE WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT A SIGN IN EVERY YARD. ^ >> I THINK WE WOULD -- WE WOULD REQUIRE. THAT'S OUR PRACTICE TODAY. WHEN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONER OF CITY COUNCIL LLS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT, WE REQUIRE THAT PROPERTY OWNER TO PUT UP SIGNS. THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE. THAT'S OUR STANDARD PRACTICE, AND THERE WILL BE A SIGN UP. I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THERE WILL NOT BE A SITUATION WHERE WHEN A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER EFFECTIVELY INITIATING A CASE THROUGH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL, THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE A REQUIREMENT TO PUT UP A SIGN. THAT WILL NOT CHANGE WITH THIS ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT. BY RIGHT DEVELOPMENT, LIKE THE ARCHGATE MONTESSORI CASE, DOES NOT -- IS NOT REQUIRED TO PUT UP A SIGN AND WILL CONTINUE. SIGNAGE WILL NOT BE REQUIRED. A THAT WILL NOT CHANGE THROUGH THIS ZONING CASE. THAT WILL CONTINUE TO BE THE pS. IT'S REALLY AN ISSUE OF WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO MANAGE HOW MANY SIGNS GO UP FOR CITY-INITIATED CASES. IF IT'S A SINGLE PROPERTY, LIKE A SINGLE SUP RECISION, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN MAYBE MANAGE IF WE CAN GET AHOLD OF THE PPERTYOWNER. IT'S REALLY LARGER SCALE REZONINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE VERY SIGNIFICANT ISSUES. LOTS OF TIME. LOTS OF EXPENSE. IT COULD BE PROHIBITIVE. >> IN ARCHDATE THEY HAD THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO OPERATE THE PRIVATE SCHOOL, WHICH IS WHY THEY REQUIRE THE SUP. THEY SHOULD HAVE POSTED THE SIGN AND GONE THROUGH THE SUP PROCESS. THAT'S WHERE THE SIGN WOULD HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE. >> CORRECT. WHAT DIFFERENTIATES -- THE CITY ASSISTING AN APPLICANT IN GOING THROUGH THE ZONING PROCESS VERSUS TRUE PNZ OR CITY-INITIATED? YOU MENTIONED IF WE'RE ASSISTING AN APPLICANT, THEN THEY HAVE TO PUT THE SIGN THERE. THAT'S NOT WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS AS I READ IT. WHAT DIFFER ENSHATS WHETHER THE CITY IS INITIATING IT OR WHETHER WE'RE INITIATING ON BEHALF OF AN APPLICANT? >> THEY COME AND ACTUALLY MAKE A REQUEST. THEY PUT AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA, AND THEY SAY I CAN'T GET -- THIS IS A SNDARD PRACTICE THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WHEN YOU HAVE VERY LARGE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS LIKE THE ONE YOU SAW IN YOUR LAST MEETINGS. THE PD65 THAT'S ALL OF LEGACY. YOU SAW HOW HUGE THAT IS. THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PROPERTY OWNERS. TO TRY TO GET A SIGNATURE ON APPLICATIONS TO REZONE THAT PROPERTY IS JUST INCREDIBLY IMPRACTICAL RIGHT? TYPICALLY WHEN A PROPERTY -- WHEN THAT PD IS REZONED, IT WILL BE INITIATED BY THE CITY ON BEHALF OF A SINGLE PROPERTY OWNER WITHIN THE DISTRICT. WE STILL REQUIRE THEM TO PUT UP THE SIGN ON THEIR PROPERTY TO GIVE NOTICE AND ALL THE NOTICES ARE SENT OUT TO ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE DISTRICT. >> OKAY. DO YOU KNOW WHY THERE'S NOT LANGUAGE TO THAT AFFECT IN THIS ORDINANCE? >> BECAUSE IT'S NOT A CHANGE FROM OUR EXISTING BUSINESS PRAC PRACTICE. >> I MIGHT -- I UNDERSTAND IT'S A BUSINESS PRACTICE. I MIGHT FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS IF SUCH LANGUAGE WERE IN THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHRISTINE. >> I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY SPEAKERS. >> THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. >> I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WILL NOT HIT MY PAPER. [LAUGHING] THAT WAS KIND OF A DUD. THAT WAS A DUD. CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. ANY COMMENTS? >> I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DUST OFF OUR RULES OF PROCEDURE FOR THIS BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND. DO WE NEED TO BREAK OUT THE RULES OF PROCEDURE FIRST? HERE THEY ARE. GOOD. >> IT IS ALLOWED. >> PERFECT. I WOULD LIKE TO AMEND SECTION B OF THE ORDINANCE TO STATE -- I WITH THE EXACT WORDING, BUT I'M GOING TO PARAPHRASE IT FIRST. WHERE THE PLANNING ZONING COUNCIL INITIATES A ZONING PROCEDURE ON ANY PROPERTY NOT OWNED AND CONTROLLED BY THE CITY WHERE THE CHANGE WAS NOT INITIATED AT THE BEHEST OR REQUEST OF A PROPERTY OWNER. MEANING -- THE MEANING I'M TRYING TO CONVEY IS WHERE IT'S CITY-OISH KNITTED AND NOT IN COORDINATION WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE SIGNAGE IS STILL REQUIRED IN THE ORDINANCE ON ANY PROPERTY WHERE, LIKE CHRISTINA JUST SAID, IF WE'RE HELPING A PROPERTY OWNER THROUGH THE PROCESS THAT THE SIGNAGE IS REQUIRED UNDER THE ORDINANCE, AND NOTUST PART OF OUR BUSINESS PRACTICE. >> CHRISTINA, IS THAT CLEAR? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING CLARITY ON WHAT THAT LANGUAGE WOULD BE. >> IF I COULD HAVE A MOMENT TO READ IT THROUGH AND MAKE SURE. >> PLEASE. >> WHILE THEY'RE DOING THAT, I NEED SOME CLARIFICATION WITH REGARD TO THE MOTION TO AMEND. I'M READING -- >> WHO ARE YOU ASKING THIS TO? >> ANYBODY WHO CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ONCE THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND THE SECOND HAS BEEN OBTAINED -- YES, THERE WAS A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> DOUBLE-CHECKING. >> THE MOTION TO AMEND DOES NOT SAY WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE ACTED UPON PRIOR TO THE MAIN MOTION. I'M TRYING TO GET CLARIFICATION AS TO -- >> IT'S UNDER MOTION TO AMD. >>I'M READING IT. IT HAS BEEN ALREADY SECONDED. >> RIGHT ABOVE THAT THE CONFLICTING PART. NO OTHER MOTIONS CAN BE CONSIDERED UNTIL THE FIRST MOTION IS VOTED ON. WELL, IF I MIGHT OFFER, I THINK TYPICALLY IN CONSTRUING STATUTES, THERE ARE THESE CANONS OF STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION, AND OBVIOUSLY, I'LL DEFER TO PAIGE, BUT ONE OF THEM IS THAT THE SPECIFIC CONTROLS OVER THE GENERAL AND UNDER MOTION TO AMEND IT VERY CLEARLY SAYS WHEN A MROOTION IS ON THE FLOOR, THE AMENDMENT WILL BE ACTED ON PRIOR TO ACTING ON THE MAIN MOTION. I THINK THAT -- I WOULD SUBMIT THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S EVEN GOING TO COME INTO PLAY HERE, BUT I JUST -- >> WE NEED TO CLEAN UP THESE RULES. [LAUGHING] >> CHRISTINA. >> WASTE PAPER BASKET. >> CLARIFY. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT -- >> HOLD ON. LET ME SEE IF CHRISTINA UNDERSTANDS YOUR AMENDMENT. >> I THINK WE DO UNDERSTAND THE AMENDMENT. >> HOW WOULD -- YEAH, HOW WOULD -- IS IT FUNCTIONAL FOR YOU TO USE? >> I THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE A LITTLE BIT SO THAT ANY PROPERTY NOT OWNED AND CONTROLLED BY THE CITY AND THE CHANGE IS NOT INITIATED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER JUST SO WE'RE NOT SAYING WHERE AND WHERE, BUT I THINK OVERALL IT IS FUNCTIONAL. IT CAN WORK FOR US. >> I HAVE A SUGGESTION. I C GO P IT ON THE OVERHEAD IF YOU LIKE. IF YOU CAN READ MY CHICKEN SCRATCH. >> IT'S NOT THAT LONG. JUST READ IT. >> THIS IS TAKING THE CURRENT LANGUAGE. WHERE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL -- THIS IS WHERE THE AMENDMENT IS -- NOT AT THE REQUEST OF OR IN COORDINATION WITH A PROPERTY OWNER, THE REST OF IT AS-IS. >> THAT WORS. >> I'LL SECOND THAT AMENDED MOTION. >> OKAY. THAT SAID, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IN THESE RULES OF PROCEDURE THERE'SED NO SUCH THING AS A MOTION TO AMEND IF ONCE A MOTION IS MADE, YOU CAN'T MAKE AN INTERRUPTING MOTION. I THINK IT'S MOOT. >> WE'LL WORK ON THAT. >> CAN WE PUT THESE RULES ON A FUTURE AGENDA? >> WE DO NEED TO CLEAN THAT UP. >> >> MAYBE SEVERAL. >> LET'S GET THROUGH THESE TWO, AND THEN WE'LL DO THAT. I HAVE A MOTION TO AMEND. DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING? ARE YOU OKAY WITH IT? >> SHOULD I READ THAT AGAIN? >> NO. SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO BE SO ABRUPT. THAT BEING SAID, THIS IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE. PLEASE VOTE. WE'RE VOTING ON THE AMENDMENT? >> YES. MOTION PASSES 7-1. >> NOW YOU HAVE THE ITEM ITSELF. >> AS AMENDED. >> NOW, LISA, LET'S TAKE IT OFF AND VOTE FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE WITH THE AMENDMENT. VOTE FOR THE AMENDMENT. >> WHAT DID YOU SAY? >> NOW WE HAVE TO ACT ON THE INITIAL MOTION WHICH WOULD BE EITHER AMENDING THAT MOTION TO INCLUDE THE AMENDMENT OR WITHDRAWING THAT MOTION AND MAKING A NEW ONE. >> YOU'RE OUR NEW PARLIAMENT ARIAN. TO BE CLEAR -- >> SPEAK UP EARLIER, LISA. >> I DIDN'T MAKE A MOTION TO PASS AS AMENDED. I MADE A MOTION TO AMEND. TO SAVE US TIME, I SHOULD AS AMENDED.KE A MOTION TO PASS >> THIS IS FOR AGENDA ITEM NUMBER ONE AS AMENDED. PLEASE VOTE. PLEASE VOTE. >> WE ALREADY VOTED. >> VOTE. MOTION PASSES 8-0. ITEM NUMBER TWO, I HOPE YOU HAVE YOUR SPEAKING VOICE IN GOOD SHA. GO AHEAD. >> I'M READING AN ABBREVIATED VERSION. >> THAT'S FINE. >> PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN CASE 2022-006 TO AMEND ARTICLES 8, 14, AND 15 OF THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY ORDINANCE NUMBER 2015-5-2 AS HERE TO FOREAMENDED. PERTAINING TO ARCADE REGULATIONS AND RESCINDING ALL SPECIFIC USE ORNANC AS PROVIDED ON THE ALING AGENDA. ALL PROPERTIES BEING DESCRIBED IN THE LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS ATTACHED HERETO AS EXHIBITS A-1 THROUGH A-30 AND AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY ORDINANCE NUMBER 2015-5-2 AS HERETOFOREAMENDED TO REFLECT SUCH ACTIONS. PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, SEVERABILITY CLAUSE AND A PUBLICATION CLAUSE AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> ALL RIGHT. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO IS ZONING CASE 2022-006. IT WAS INITIATED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DUE TO A NUMBER OF REQUESTS FOR WHAT I'LL CALL MODERN ARCADES. SUCH AS E-GAMING THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS. THE ARCADE REGULATIONS IN PLANO HAVEN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE THE 1990s, SO THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE INTENDED TO REFLECT THE TECHNOLOGICAL AND INDUSTRY CHANGES IN THE GAMING AND ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY SINCE THAT TIME. PNZ DID HOLD A DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION ON MARCH 1st. THEY CALLED THE PUBLIC HEARING MARCH 21st. IT WAS TABLED ON THE 16th AND APPROVED ON JUNE 6th. AGAIN, ARCADE REGULATIONS DATE BACK TO 1981 BACK IN THE HAY DAY OF ARCADES, I WOULD THINK, AND THEY WERE LAST MODIFIED IN 1996. THEY WERE WRITTEN ORIGINALLY TO REGULATE TRADITIONAL TYPE ARCADES SUCH AS PIN BALL AND VIDEO ARCADE MACHINES THAT WERE POPULAR IN THE LATE 20th CENTURY. WE HAVEN'T HAD REALLY THIS TYPE OF REQUEST FOR A WHAT I'LL CALL TRADITIONAL ARCADE IN OVER 20 YEARS. THE SUPs THAT WE'VE HAD REQUESTED IN THE LAST 20 OR MORE YEAR ARE REALLY FOR MORE ACCESSORY TYPE USES, SUCH AS SMALL CHILDREN AMUSEMENT, E-SPORT VENUES OR THE MORE MODERN ONES, OR REALLY ACCESSORY USES TO PERMITTED PRIMARY USES LIKE A MOVIE THEATER. WE CURRENTLY HAVE 30 SUP FOR ARCADE ON THE BOOKS, AND 12 OF THE 30 ARE CURRENTLY IN USE. THEY ARE GENERALLY OPERATING -- MOST OF THE ARCADES WE HAVE CURRENTLY OPERATING ARE SECONDARY FUNCTIONS, AND IT IS ONES WE HAVE THAT ARE PRIMARY VENUES.NS ARE THE E-SPORTS - OTHERWISE, THEY'RE SECONDARY TO INDOOR PLAY SPACES, BOWLING ALLEYS, SPORTS BARS, MOVIE THEATERS, AND VIDEO GAME STORES. THE DEFINITION OF ARCADE IN TO MANY OTHER CITIES.C COMPARED- IT IS AN ESTABLISHMENT WITH SIX OR ORE PLAYER-OPERATED SKILL OR AMUSEMENT MACHINES THAT ARE MAYBE CONNECTED BY CONTROL MAINES THAT GIVE ACCESS TO THE THEY'RE ALSO PROHIBITED WITHIN 300 FEET OF ANY RELIGIOUS FACILITY AND THERE ARE OTHER PROHIBITIONS -- DISTANCE PROHIBITIONS THAT CAN BE WAIVED BY COUNCIL FROM RESIDENTIALLY ZONED DISTRICTS OR PUBLIC OR PAROCHIAL SCHOOLS. HOWEVER, TO JUST ADD TO THE INTEREST OF ADMINISTERING THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WE HAVE A DEFINITION FOR INDOOR COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT, WHICH INCLUDES ARCADES. IT IS THE PROVISION OF LEISURE TIME AMUSEMENT OR ENTERTAINMENT THAT TYPICALLY OPERATES USES SUCH AZAR INDICATEDS, SO WITH THAT, IT PRESENTS US SOME CONFLICTS BECAUSE ARCADE IS LISTED AS A BUSINESS TYPE. HOWEVER, YOU'LL SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE THAT THE PERMISSIONS FOR INDOOR COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE PERMISSIONS FOR ARCADE. ARCADES ARE ONLY PERMITTED BY SUP IN MOST OF OUR NON-RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS WITH THE EXCEPTI OF NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS DESIGN. THE RELATIVELY NEW DISTRICT WHEREAS INDOOR COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT AND 11 OF 15 NONRESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. THIS CAUSES SOME CONFUSION. WE ALSO LOOKED AT WHAT ARE OUR SURROUNDING CITIES DOING. WE SURVEYED 12 CITIES, AND WE FOUND THAT WE ARE THE ONLY CITY IN THE AREA THAT SPECIFICALLY DEFINES ARCADE THE WAY WE DO AS SPECIFICALLY. THERE ARE TWO OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE AN ARCADE DEFINITION THAT WAS SIMILAR, BUT IT WAS A LITTLE MORE BROAD. STILL, THOSE OTHER TWO CITIES, MOST GROUP THEM IN THAT KIND OF BROADER DEFINITION OF INDOOR COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT, AND YOU SEE THE EXAMPLES THERE FROM FORT WORTH FRISCO GARLAND ALLEN ALINGTON, DENTON, AND DALLAS. THE EFFECTS OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE THATLL 30 CADE SUPs ARE IN LOCATIONS WHERE THE INDOOR COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT OR THAT ALREADY HAVE THE NECESSARY SUP BY RESCINDING THE SUPs AND ALLOWING THEM AS INDOOR COMMERCIAL AMUSEMENT IT WOULD REALLY HAVE IMPACT TO SUPs THAT HAVE STIPULATIONS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN EFFECT AND HAVE RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE OPERATING. HOWEVER, WE FOUND THAT THOSE ARE BASED ON THEIR BUSINESS PLANS, AND THEYRESEEDO THE CITY. THAT NO ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS WERE ADDED BEYOND WHAT THEIR BUSINESS PLANS ARE. WE ALSO CHECKED WITH NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES TO MAKE SURE THERE WERE NO COMPLAINTS OR ISSUES RELATED TO THOSE STIPULATIONS AND FOUND NO HISTORY OF NONCOMPLIANCE OR EVEN ANY COMPLAINTS REGARDING THOSE. WE FELT FAIRLY CONFIDENT THAT THEY COULD CONTINUE TO OPERATE WITHOUT CONCERN FOR THE COMMUNITY. CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION LOOKED AT THE FOLLOWING POLICIES GUIDING -- THE GUIDING PRINCIPLES, THE LAND USE POLICY, TWO LAND USE ACTIONS, AND THEY RECOMMENDED THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO REMOVE THE ARCADE DEFINITION IN TOTAL. ALSO, THAT WOULD REQUIRE REMOVING IT FROM THE USE TABLE AND THE USE-SPECIFIC REGULATIONS IN ARTICLE 15, AND THE RESCINDING OF THE SUPs, THAT WOULD THEN BE COVERED BY INDOOR COMMERCIAL AXHOOUZ MUSEMENT, LAND USE DEFINITION. AGAIN, ALLOWING THE CURRENT BUSINESSES TO CONTINUE OPERATING UNABATED. WE HAVE SENT NOTICES TO ALL THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE ARCADE SUPs, SO THEY ARE AWARE OF THIS CHANGE. WITH THAT, WE RECEIVED ONE LETTER IN OPPOSITION AS A RESPONSE TO THIS CASE. IT WAS NOT FROM THE OWNER OF AN ARCADE, AND WITH THAT, WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY SPEAKERS? >> THERE ARE NO SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. >> I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND. >> WOW. THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTIO AND SECOND TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 8-2. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD -- 8-0, EXCUSE ME. IT'S AGENDA ITEM NUMBER TWO. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM FOR US TO CLEAR UP THE LANGUAGE ON THE AMENDMENT. >> SECONDED IF NEED BE. >> APPRECIATE IT. THAT BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, WE ARE ADJOINED. [ADJOURNED AT 9:16 P.M.