[Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] joining us in the um council chambers we are going to have a deviation from our normal zoning agenda and I've tried to work or we've all tried to work to make sure that everyone understands what we're doing and try to make sure that we can get this meeting done so what we are going to be doing is we're going to begin our zoning meeting following our zoning meeting we're going to recess into close session I think the Clos session will be finished and done by 6:30 and then we'll start the zoning hearing again all right so with that let's I'm going to call this meeting to order and we'll begin with our introductions we'll start with our City attorney ter hegler gray senior assistant City attorney good evening I'm Victoria watlington I serve you at large good evening Lana Mayfield council member at large sh car 6 Ed D district 7 malol gram District 2 Dante Anderson mayor protim district one by L mayor James Mitchell at large and a special happy Founders Day to men on megasoft 5 Fraternity Incorporated good evening I'm Renee Johnson and I'm honored to serve District 4 good evening dimple Ash at large T Deputy city clerk all right thank you very much we will now have our um invocation and I believe it's Mr dggs or I don't think so our invit our invocation uh he say m say is her oh miss azir thank you well you gave me a real fright you always have to be prepared done many it before all right Miss asir let's bow our our heads As We Gather today to serve the people of Charlotte let us approach our duties with wisdom compassion and dedication May our deliberations be guided by a spirit of cooperation and a shared commitment to the well-being of all of our residents let us remember those facing challenges in our community and strive to make decisions that create opportunities and improve lives with gratitude for the trust placed in us we ask for guidance to lead with integrity and vision as we work together to build a stronger more inclusive Charlotte amen amen amen amen all right a you chairs to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for it stands one nation God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you very much um the hi it's good to see you um we'll now have um an ex well we would ordinarily have an explanation of our zoning meeting but I think that what we'll do now is just go into our close session so that we can get back out and be before you for the zoning meeting as quickly as we can so I would like to have a motion to go into close session pursuant to ncgs 14338 11 A6 to consider the qualifications competence performance character Fitness and conditions of appointment or conditions of initial employment of an individual public officer or employee or prospective public officer or employee we have a motion do we have a second second we have a second yes I want to make sure that I Deputy clerk gets it on file that I will not be joining this closed session meeting since there is someone on this Council that choose to share everything of information of or importance especially conversations regarding our personnel which is disrespectful and out of order so I would like for the record to show that I will not be stepping into this closed session I think um Miss Mayfield and I appreciate what you've said but I'm not sure how this works with our duty to vote sure and so I think we have an on record as far as me abstaining from whatever dis discussion you have and why I'm abstaining so I don't think let me just I don't have the rules of in front of me but I don't believe that you can abstain just because you choose to the council would have to individual I am able to according to our rules well let's see T you're going to have have to help me with the rules because I thought the duty to vote required that the count if there was some issue that you had that the council would have to have to excuse you so let's just if this might take a moment I apologize didn't know this so we need to look at the going to be a yes because I have just recused myself from this because unfortunately there any discussion whether we are present or not is an automatic yes through this body that is why I am going on record to say that I am not a part of this upcoming meeting because my decision is not going to be an automatic yes what point the meeting has already the meeting has already started I'll make a substitute motion that we go into Clos session and excuse councilwoman Mayfield second all right as long as we have that vote I think we'll be okay but I just wanted to make sure we're following our own rules where y'all got going on okay so we have a moot and a second all in favor of the motion to excuse Miss Mayfield please raise your hands and go into close session and we'll now and go into close session what's the ruling the ruling and T is going to if there is let let me say this yeah she's going to review it if there's anything that makes this motion not valid then we will come back out and start all over again that's the only way I know how to do it okay let's um thank you very much we'll try to be out as quickly as we can yeah all the votes did you have six votes yeah it was one two three four five six all right so Billy tell me again for and against for it and against for and against for the close for the meeting closed session did they vote on the motion all in favor of the motion all right is his motion included excusing Miss Mayfield as well as the meeting she did not get the vote please raise your hands if you are in support so we have Miss John 1 two 3 I don't know I'm not voting on something 5 six seven we have seven votes to go session did you C capture those Madam clerk we still have to make a ruling though yeah we we do need a ruling and if you'll get that and get that to us as quickly as possible I would appreciate so what happens if it's not Val I wonder why I won't run 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explaining the zoning process and the zoning process begins with applications submitted to the planning staff for review there are two types of of cases on the agenda there are decisions and there are hearings decisions on cases uh for which public hearings have already been previously held and there's no additional public comment and hearings if anyone wishing to speak um is asked to see our city clerk uh before the start of that particular hearing and the staff will do their presentation with no time limit and the petitioner who's in favor of of said petition will get three minutes combined to present their case unless there are a couple things that occur one if is if there are opponents uh to the to the petition signed up to speak against or if staff is not is in opposition and not in support of the petition the petitioner will get 10 minutes the opponent will get 10 minutes and then the petitioner will get a 2-minute rebuttal if no one is opposed or signed up to speak staff provides a short presentation the public hearing is closed and then we'll proceed on to the next public hearing the petitions go to our zoning committee of of Planning Commission for review and recommendation and I will allow our chair Mr blumthal to introduce his committee uh and make said introductions Mr Blumenthal thank you mayor protim and thank you to the rest of council uh to introduce the zoning committee my name is Andrew Blumenthal the chairman uh next to me is Clayton cely Teresa McDonald Aaron Shaw Shaun an Neely Rick Wier and Robin Stewart uh we have a full contingent this evening uh the next meeting of the zoning committee will be on Tuesday December 3rd at 5:30 p.m. at that meeting we will be discussing and making recommendations on the petitions that have public hearings this evening the public is welcome to attend that meeting however please note that it is not a continuation of any public hearings that are being held here tonight prior to that meeting you are welcome to contact any of us directly to provide input you can find all of our contact information on and the information on each petition on the city's website at Charlotte planning.org thank you mayor Bram thank you Mr chair okay so we will move on to our deferrals and withdrawals and Mr petton can you walk us through the deferrals and withdrawals for the evening y certainly we have uh several decisions and a couple hearings uh the first is item 11 uh petition 2023 d023 item number 12 petition 2023 d38 item 13 20 23-39 item 14 204-0777 n uh those are all decisions requesting a deferral to our December 16th meeting then we have three hearings uh items 21 which is petition 2024 047 item 22 which is 202 24098 and 26 which is 202 24- 088 all public hearings that were scheduled for this evening requesting a deferral also to our December 16th meeting that's all we have for this evening thank you Mr petton and I believe we need to vote on uh the approval of the deferrals and withdrawals for evening yes I have there is a motion is there a second second all in favor please raise hands any opposed that is unanimous thank you Mr petton so then we'll move on to the decision portion of our meeting and we will begin with our consent agenda items the resoning petition items 3 through 10 may be considered in one motion except for those items pulled by a council member please note that these petitions um meet the following criteria one they've had no public opposition to the petition at the hearing secondly the zoning committee recommended the approval and thirdly there are no changes after the zoning committee's recommendation lastly staff recommends the uh approvals of these petitions as well well are there any consent agenda items Council would like to pull for question comment or separate vote this evening Miss Johnson thank you mayor proam I'd like to pull number four and number 10 for comments please okay number four and number 10 is there anything any others no I make a motion to proceed with everything except number four and number 10 second thank you there is a motion 2024 075 by arbo LLC petition number 20248 by adalo momu porka petition number 2024 081 by Caldwell Development LLC petition number 2024 485 by AAAA Holdings LLC petition number 2024 086 by Peak Sports holding LLC and the one that will be withstand it from that that I just read is um item number four petition number 2024 049 49 we have a motion and a second I think you need to ask for the adoption of approve and adopt as we do for other decisions yes that's correct was my motion that is correct there is a there is a there was a motion to approve the petitions and to adopt the zoning committee's statement of consistency for these petitions that I've just read okay all right was second there there was a second as well all in favor raise hands any opposed okay that is unanimous let's now move on to petition item number four that was pulled um is there a motion to approve petition item number 202 449 by shrii Hospitality of University City LLC the move second excellent um the location is 3.9 6 Acres located on the northeast side intersection of North trian Street and handam Church Road South of East mola Drive is there any any discussion Miss Johnson thank you mayor protim I just wanted to um talk about this one publicly I've asked the question this first of all this is a petition to change one of the motels to uh multifam development and I just want to confirm with City staff that we do have documentation from the developer that there will be no displacements I did ask during the public hearing I've also had meetings with the developer that there are no long-term occupants of that hotel or motel um you all know displacement is very um concerning to me so I just want to confirm with City staff that we do have something in writing from the developer that there will be no displacement yes that's correct we do have a email correspondent from the petitioner that uh their hotel is a strict policy that doesn't allow any long-term stays so they don't have any long-term residents that would uh be displaced as a result of uh the petition okay thank you that's all thank you any add additional comment all in favor to approve petition number 2024 o item number four as stated in our agenda petition 202 4049 raise hands any oppose that's unanimous we will move on to agenda item number 10 petition number 2024 92 by Lucan Capital properties is there a motion to approve petition agenda item number 10 say uh so move second there is a motion and a second is there any discussion yeah I just wanted to just lift this development up as well this petition is proposes to develop a child care center uh right in the re University research part uh area so I'm very excited we know that District 4 is a leader in jobs in the city uh particularly that research area so um when I talk about infrastructure and balance development this is a part of it so we look forward to a daycare center in that area and I'm look forward to supporting thank you all in all in favor please raise hands any oppose that is unanimous and that completes the consent agenda portion of our agenda and we will move on to the nonconsent agenda items we'll begin with the items with changes after the zoning committee's recommendations when it comes to these items um there have been changes to the petition after the zoning committee and there must be a special vote on these changes prior to the vote on the petition um for the foll in items below um there have been changes after the zoning committee vote and prior to the vote of each of of these items that we'll speak to um we will have to vote as to whether or not to send them back uh Mr petton can I ask you to speak to those items that have changes sure uh we do have a couple items 17 and 19 we can cover them when we uh get to them on the agenda at the point when it comes up for their their items I we've got 15 and 16 to work through and then we'll have changes for 17 and changes for 19 so so it's only 17 and 19 correct correct okay excellent so we we will vote on those as we move forward um and arrive in the in the agenda for them so I am moving let's see I believe we are on agenda item number 15 correct correct excellent so uh is there a motion to approve agenda item number 15 resoning petition number 2024 082 by the city of Charlotte located approximately at 7 uh 05 Acres located along the Northwest side of South trian Street East of West Tyvola and south of Billy Graham Parkway in District three Miss Brown district the current zoning is in 1B proposed zoning is cgcd uh the zoning committee voted 70 to uh recommend approval of this petition and staff recommends approval of this petition as well is there a motion to approve agenda item number 15 yes so moved second excellent is there any discussion yes Miss Brown absolutely thank you so much mam I greatly appreciate that been working with the community on this for quite some time dealing with the animal shelter and the concerns um around the crowding any animals having to put so many animals down and finding a subsequent place to put them and still not enough room and so for the most part uh the community is satisfied with that that was a huge meeting and I've attended all of them I've actually champing this project and spoke with numerous people uh some of community members are not happy with it I want to state that for the record but for the masses it's okay so I'm moving forward with it I'm happy to see it this is only a starting point there's a whole lot more that can be done me myself I personally would like to say it on record I would like to see the animal Shel to separate from cmpd that's another story for another day cmpd got their own no cmpd has their own issues uh without having to worry about the four little legged creatures is what I was trying to say but um at this time I'm I'm happy to be able to support this but again I would like to see something in the future maybe when I'm gone even if I'm not here that's something that we we really need to look into it's been a long time and working with Dr fiser Who's over the animal shelter and his staff they've been working really really hard to make sure um you know the volunteer process it's just been a strenous thing and so for me to be handson I didn't even grew up around those but you know I took the initiative to go and learn about how these things work and how it's going to benefit the community in the long run so I support it thank you Miss Brown any additional comments I will add Miss Brown that I think this um this will be a excellent litness test to see how we can help support the overcrowding of the animal shelter and if we get this right and get this model right then we can replicate it in other areas throughout the city and I know that Dr fiser and his staff are are very happy about that yeah they working hard but like I said it's only the beginning is not enough but it's the start absolutely thank you all in favor of U agenda item number 15 as stated in our um agenda please raise your hand any opposed that is unanimous we're going to move on to agenda item number 16 petition number 2024 uh 083 by the city of Charlotte the location is approximately 35 Acres located along the north side of Parkwood Avenue and the east side of PM Street and approximately. 197 Acres located along the west side of Pam Street south of Parkwood Avenue in my district district one the current zoning is ur3 CD n CG the proposed zoning is in to a the zoning committee uh that we're still working on that the the city of Charlotte is still working on resolving and so in an effort to ensure that um we're being good stewards with our residents of Belmont and Villa Heights I'm going to make a motion that we defer the the approval of this petition until next month when the city will be able to provide solid answers to the questions that arose during the public hearing second thank you all in favor of a deferment of agenda item 16 please raise hands any opposed that is unanimous we'll move on to agenda item number 17 petition number 2020 071 by 3G Investments and development the location is approximately 79 Acres located along the east side of Park Road and the south side of Selman Avenue and north of Manning Drive in district 6 Mr bari's District current zoning is in 1A proposed zoning is mud o the zoning committee recommended uh this petition 6 to zero and staff recommends this petition as well is there a motion to approve petition item 20271 and adopt the zoning um statement of consistency Mo we do have just two changes to clarify on that one that need a separate vote um excellent so we did have two um like I said two items that were changed after the zoning committee's recommendation uh the plan clarified hours of operation uh and also clarified alternative streetscapes uh to remain at the northeastern corner of the property uh staff believes those changes are minor don't warrant additional review by the zoning committee don't change the outcome of the project uh we don't recommend they they go back not Mo to not send back second there's a motion to not send back to the zoning committee and second all in favor raise hands any oppose that is unanimous unanimous second we have a motion to adopt and approve agenda item 17 all in favor any comment I just make a quick comment thank you um we heard this one at a hearing a while back um there were a couple people that had some issues I'll just applaud the petitioner for um working with those folks to make some adjustments um that uh that remediated a lot of that and for the uh significant Community uh input we've gotten of support since then as well so um that was you know they all don't start out perfect but this was a good example of a lot of work um since we last heard about it thank you any additional comment all in favor of approval of agenda item 17 raise hands any opposed that is unanimous we will move on to agenda item number 18 is there a motion to approve petition number 2022 224 by srl Central Avenue Properties LLC move for approval second thank you uh the location is uh 1.23 Acres located in the Northeast quadrant of the inter section of central AV and Morningside Drive south of Roland Street in District 1 my district current zoning is MTO proposed zoning is mud OA the zoning committee voted 60 for approval and staff uh recommended as well we have a motion and a second thank you um we I will open up for discussion but I will begin the discussion um as this is in my district um this is a this has been a um a petition that has has um had engagement with the neighborhood and the neighborhood has been engaged very early on um and they have approval by um the um the neighborhood associations but it felt like because there was such support for this that there was really really no need for official letters of of approval but the Community is fully engaged and supports this particular petition is there are there any other comments hearing none all in favor of approval raise hands any opposed that is unanimous we will move on to agenda item number uh 19 that's been def I thought that was 19 May prend oh that was that was 18 it was deferred last month yeah okay yeah that was 18 we're on 19 19 we're on 19 now we just approved 18 okay okay so we're on agenda item number 19 is there a motion to approve petition item number 2023 065 by Central Avenue multif Family LLC let's well and we want to cover some of the changes as well on this one yes this one has changes all right so I have a motion do I have a second to approve and then we'll go to the changes uh move to not send back first well let yeah let me just go ahead and in for you guys yeah but thank go ahead so after the zoning committee a couple of items uh did get modified they did clarify public benefits that would be offered uh in the ex request and modify the conditional note language to be consistent with staff's recommendations they did add conditional notes that were related to the installation of a traffic signal at the intersection of Central Avenue in pedmont Street uh those conditional notes uh reflect that the petitioner would conduct a signal warrant analysis so essentially study whether the signal was needed uh they would do that prior to Land Development approvals uh if it at that time the signal is warranted uh the petitioner will fund the installation and install a left turn lane for the signal in Lee of a buffered bike lane uh the omission of a buffered bike lane would then be mitigated by a 16t shared use path if the adopted streets map is amended for this streetscape change uh if the a warrant analysis during the Land Development process determines that a signal cannot be installed the petitioner would then commit to conduct another warrant analysis 2 years after the final Co for the project uh and then the the third note that was clarified is that a buffered bike lane would be constructed if a signal is not warranted and if the adopted streets map is not amended accordingly uh these were all items that were worked out in coordination with uh our C do staff so we believe there they minor changes uh they do address some of the concerns we heard about traffic signal at that intersection uh and would not really change the outcome of the project or more an additional review uh by the zoning committee thank you thank you Mr petton is there a motion not to send back to zoning committee so move second there is a motion and a second all in favor raise hands any oppose that's unanimous we will now get to the motion is there a motion to approve um agenda item number 19 as stated in our agendas as I previously read so move second there's a motion and a second adopt and approve to adopt and approve yes there's a motion and a second um I will open up for comment but I will begin the comment again as it is in my district and this particular petition is one that we have been working on for months and months with the community and with the petitioner and I'm happy to say that we have gotten to a place um where the community is Happy um with how the petitioner has made the modifications and commitments and um we have letters of support from a variety of different entities for this particular petition including U the ECA the Elizabeth Community Association the plaza Midwood Merchants Association um Central Avenue Property Owners U adjacent to this particular site as well as of course the support from the planning um Commissioners as well as staff this one ultimately we've had robust discussion about this we've deferred this to allow more time to work with the community and um ultimately we've come down to one uh major Lynch pin that was an issue for the community and that was the uh traffic congestion and the community particularly wanted some ways to mitigate that congestion uh and we happily enough were able to have a traffic study analysis completed and C dot has approved for the installation of a tra uh traffic signal at that intersection at the petitioner's expense and this has greatly modified um the it the questions around traffic coming in and out of uh the community in addition the petitioner also um increase the um the the parking minimums to additional 20% as that was an issue with the community as well that a fear that the parking would bleed deeper into the single family detached home communities and so that has um been met with great approval and lastly although there's a Litany of things that the petitioner has done to work with the community but lastly I would say that the U Elizabeth Community really wanted to have commercial space to underscore that that 10-minute neighborhood Fuel and they actually asked the petitioner to increase the square footage allotted for the commercial space and that that um space has been increased significantly approximately um 75 additional 75% of the space that was originally allocated and so uh we're at a very good space here and I'm very happy to see that we have worked with the community we've heard their voices um and they have come to we've landed on a solution that um all part most parties are happy with are there any additional comments on this petition Miss Mayfield thank you so I will not be supporting this petition after walking and spending over an hour in the neighborhood with the residents and with receiving an email as recent at 6:05 p.m. where from the residence this is very frustrating as the ECA does not represent our neighbors near the building site the resoning really is most important and we even doubt the developer will follow through with the light and concessions that stood out for me because you just shared a number of concessions but we just had staff give us a list of updates and if it's not in writing then there's no contractual commitment to it and some of the things that you noted in agreement were not what was shared by our staff as far as the updates that were made or any concessions that were made the language was pretty vague as whether or not if the study requires it then we will do it your from what I heard I interpreted that there was a commitment but that commitment is not in writing I'm also concerned that residents have sent the email to all of us stating that the cumulative impact of resoning the N1 lot does not meet the goals of the 20 240 plan there are 67 n1d Lots in our neighborhood of those 67 Lots 31 lots are adjoining Lots zoned for larger Place types these 31 Lots will soon become targets for developers keep in mind we do not look at cumulative impact but right across from this petition is a multif family that's already been approved and walking through the neighborhood was quite difficult as people were out there with their children in strollers with their dogs and some just attempting to jog and I saw multiple vehicles that could not even maneuver there was parking on both sides of the street I have shared more than once that I have concerns regarding the impact of what we are doing to neighborhoods regarding our language that says that we care about neighborhood continuity agent in place a number of other issues that makes a neighborhood a true neighborhood but what this particular project would do by approving the full and not just having a focus on on the front end and removing the house that is currently there and bringing the lot all the way back brings it right up on to a residential street where I saw at least eight children under the age of 10 outside in the streets planing and that is a concern for a number of the residents it is a concern for me as well we received the emails the qu what was proposed in here a question regarding the impact of the additional trips on their single Lane neighborhood Hood streets I'm glad to hear that there is discussions about a light but without there being specific language that clearly identifies the installation of that light I am concerned about the interior impact of vehicles coming in as well as the residents not the business Community because the business Community is not my major concern at this point it is the residents especially those that are raising small children that are running and playing in this community and have done so for a while we say we want 20 10minute neighborhoods well we're getting ready to disrupt a neighborhood right now that is a 10-minute neighborhood because of all the other development that has been approved thank you Miss Mayfield Mr petton can you speak to uh the point that Miss Mayfield raised regarding the light the signalization at the intersection and I see that's approval for the light sure the uh the petitioner it's in the conditional notes the petitioner will fund the installation of that traffic signal they do have to do a warrant analysis which is typical for any time you want to put a new signal uh at an intersection there has to be a study done to uh confirm that it is needed uh and so they'll go through that process when they go into uh permitting for Land Development so when they go to construct the site that'll be one of the steps to go through while they're going in that permitting if they find out again during that time that it's not uh warranted uh because they're maybe just not be enough traffic yet uh they will go in and do that study uh after the final Co the the last you know unit in that building gets certificate for occupancy they're going to go through and do another warrant analysis if that does again then say that a signal is needed uh the petitioner is uh committed to in the notes to fund the installation of that traffic signal so uh they've committed to both study it and if it's warranted pay for it thank you Mr P M although I didn't ask for Mrs penon to clarify that since he did which I appreciate this language that is presented in front of us is also based on a silver line that will not be going along this route also staff SE do was not particularly interested in moving forward with doing a study at this area in the beginning so to say in our language that we are being asked to approve tonight that we will do a study and if the study warrants we will introduce and we will pay for this light the petition said that petitioner stated that they would pay for a light I just want to make sure that we be very transparent I did just find out that they did the study already I'm I'm getting information at the last moment they did the study already it is going to be installed and the developer is going to put it in that that's correct and that's what hang on Miss Mayfield um I I just wanted to continue asking uh Mr petton because I apologize and that's fine if we can have C dot um come up and step to the microphone to clarify but the um analysis has actually been completed and um can you actually share the outcome of that analysis yeah since the the last um time that this petition was before you uh and was deferred uh the petitioner did provide a signal War analysis with counts and projections uh for the pedmont uh location and based on what they provided to cot we have worked with with them uh to give them our approval to construct the signal uh and that signal would be required by them uh prior to receiving uh the co for their facility thank you and that was my understanding as well so the analysis has been completed um the signalization of the intersection has been approved by our department of transportation and the costs will be taken care of at the petitioner's um cost also with this not only does it help the traffic mitigation as I stated earlier but uh Miss Mayfield talked about people trying to cross the street and um being in the street and of course Central Avenue is a very busy uh Road and so having the signalization at this intersection of course will allow for safe um Crossing of Central Avenue and other streets at that intersection so it's actually a a safety um a safety benefit um for the community as well I would like to also State Miss Mayfield that um at the last meeting we we I received um several letters um saying uh that they were not in support and um as we've been working over the last month and there was an additional touch point there was an additional community meeting um with uh the Elizabeth resident um there I have not received a Litany of of emails I've only received one or two emails um that do not support this petition conversely I have received not only emails but phone calls and clearly letters of support of this petition given the work that has been done and um the ECA is the neighborhood elected body for the Elizabeth community and they do represent the residents of Elizabeth um and they're elected to do so so they do represent the community as well and we have a letter of support from the ECA for this particular petition so I just wanted to make clear that I H there hasn't been an outcry in uh not approving this petition quite quite differently it's actually been the reverse uh lots of support um and only one or two um letters that I gotten for uh nons support Miss Mayfield do you mention that you had a comment followup question for staff help me understand if you all were able to work to have the study completed why the language that was presented to us tonight as far as updates did not clearly identify that the study has been done and the agreement has been made versus the vagueness of the language which stated if if we have a study or if it is determined by the study that the investment will be made since you've already made the commitment and thankfully the developers the petitioners recognize that this is a value ad why not have the corrected language in front of us cuz whatever Council approves once it goes to the petitioner if there's any conversation and if if our legal team has to get involved what has been shared multiple times is well Council didn't say you had we have to do this so this is what we're doing so the the plan that we got latest version was back on November 12th uh it's my understanding this warrant analysis was completed following that so the plans essentially do say that they'll conduct the study which they've now done and they would fund the installation of the signal if the study warranted it which now it does so the notes still do reflect it we're just doing it sooner in the process than we do would do it otherwise uh but that's why it hadn't been updated cuz I think this just happened Thursday or Friday and the last plan that we got happened came in before that so uh it's one of those things that's just been in flux over the last couple days uh but it it is captured in the notes they committed to do the study and then fund it they've done the study we know it's going to happen they now have on the uh on the hook to fund it as they've committed to uh so you know the notes could get tweaked essentially but in looking at it they've done the things that they've committed to do it's just being done now instead of in Land Development so thank you yep thank you Mr Driggs so as Transportation chair I'd just like to qualify the statement that there will not be a silver line uh no decisions have been made about the Silver Line there is a question because of the funding allocation as to what is possible uh one possibility that still has been discussed is that the Silver Line might go part of the way down probably not all the way to Matthews but the point is there hasn't been a discussion so I don't want this body to send out into the world the message that uh there's now Silver Line it just there's no decision about that thank you Mr Driggs any other comments hearing none all in favor to approve agenda items agenda item number 19 as stated in our agenda please raise your hands any adopt any opposed Miss Mayfield this uh oppose thank you I believe uh number 20 Mr petton has been deferred and so that will conclude the decision portion um of the evening and we will move forward with our hearings I uh explained and and shared the process for the hearings a bit earlier and so we'll just jump right into it and make sure I'm starting at the right yes okay so we will begin with agenda item number 23 petition number 20241 121 by Charlotte planning design Development Department it's a text Amendment the purpose of this text amendment is the purpose of this text Amendment to the Udo is to make changes that will result in better functionality these changes provide greater Clarity um new and updated definitions adjust use permissions and prescribe conditions revises use names updates graphics and makes changes and additions to standards there are proposed changes in 23 of the 39 articles and staff approves um this petition and there is no opposition to this particular petition so I will hand it over to staff for the presentation thank you thank you mayor ptim good evening um Council zoning committee as well I'm Laura Harmon with the planning design and Development Department I'm going to give you a brief overview of this cleanup text Amendment of the unified development ordinance so um again briefly why we're doing this it's to facilitate the goals of the 20 240 comprehensive plan by um making um Minor Adjustments to the Udo we have said um since the development of the Udo that we knew that it would require adjustments and revisions after adoption to correct errors add Clarity adjust um use permissions and so forth and we are nearing the end of doing that for the last year and a half or so um with this one being one of our last General cleanup text amendments before we move into a maintenance mode next year and focus on uh more targeted amendments um and we believe that this text Amendment will make the Udo uh a more userfriendly ordinance will result in better functionality and make it easier um both for staff and the users of the ordinance um so one thing that we have done in this text amendment is to add delete modify some uh General definitions that are in the ear part of the ordinance was you go into the zoning portion of the ordinance we have clarified where setbacks are measured from um talked about building orientation for development with multiple buildings that are on Corner Lots we have added that site layout standards um apply to duplexes for residential development and um also made some adjustments to our neighborhood character overlay and residential infill overlay districts we have also in the zoning section made some use changes we have um allowed duplex Triplex and quadriplex you can see in a little bit broader range of districts and also doing that on small Lots in even more uh zoning districts so we're trying to continue to respond to what's happening in the residential market and this strong Dem Dem and uh for housing we've also added and clarified some of our use definitions and then we've made a clarification for certain um campus types uses that are on those uh campuses needing to be affiliated with that campus so we have tried to clarify that we had language for that before but we've tried to make that a bit clear um moving forward into the end of this zoning portion we have minor changes to the zoning bonus table that we've made we've clarified that sidewalk reimbursements for affordable housing apply within the city limits and not the etj and that's because the city is actually paying for those sidewalk reimbursements we've added um new locational and screening standards for uh electric vehicle charging stations and surface parking lots and then we've adjusted and we think improved and provided some flexibility for the screening required for ground mounted and wallmounted utility structures and mechanical equipment for both the screening as well as the location of those and working with uh some of the users of the ordinance that were having challenges with what we' had in the ordinance originally um also uh a few more things in the development stand standards for the CR and CG zoning districts we've adjusted the parking tier unless you're in a center's Place type we were finding that we had a parking maximum that in some cases was uh very challenging for some of the uses in the C cgnc districts we've also clarified um certain vehicular and bicycle parking uh requirements made some adjustments to uh facility at cat's bus stops um we have modified requirements for relocating carbon gutter but want to say that we are going to actually remove that from this text Amendment and talk about it in one that we will be filing in December so just to be clear about that made minor changes to landscaping and tree standards and we've added a new sign category vintage signs that has replaced a couple of categories that we had and then finally we've made some changes in our administrative sections modifying the powers and duties and adding experience criteria for the alternative compliance review board uh we have uh made some adjustments for non-conforming uses to allow small expansions of those again adding some flexibility to the ordinance um but also keeping that within some some parameters we have also modified ex or exceptions standards for selected uses to allow reconfiguration of parking and um to also through the ex process go back and um ask for adjustments for Upper Floor transparency and blank wall standards uh again alternative compliance we have adjusted the general criteria to hopefully make that work better and we have also extended the vesting period for most develop approvals from 12 months to 3 years that being with the exception of uh certificates of appropriateness so staff is recommending approval of this petition it's found to be consistent with the 20 240 comprehensive plan and will facilitate the goals of the 2040 plan um we find it to be reasonable in the public interest based on information from the staff analysis and public hearing and would be glad to answer any questions you might have thank you Miss Johnson thank you mayor protim and thank you for the presentation um I I would like a a a deeper um discussion about that offline but I do have some questions in 2023 this Council referred something to committee um to look at the infill petitions and and look at modifying the ud I wanted to know is this amendment in response to any of those requested changes that we sent to committee great question we have some minor adjustments for residential not directly related to that but trying to again add more housing opportunities there will be text amendments coming up in 2025 and Dave Paton is leading that effort to do what we're calling a residential tuneup and that's where you're really going to see I think those things that you're referencing so can you explain to me the quad plexus um allowance right now unless it's otherwise prohibited by um the deed restrictions duplexes and trixes are allowed on any single family lot is this amendment with this this amendment allow the same for Quad plexus no it will not be it will not be doing that okay that would be again something in in that work that that Dave is leading if that were to even change can I see the slide about the qu plexes I want to understand what the changes are um this is so I think what you're talking about is the duplexes and triplexes let me see if I get this right anyway um being allow in our residential neighborhoods this would be allowing those uses under very limited conditions in our more intense districts under certain conditions like n2c being a a higher intensity multif family District CR and CG being commercial districts uh OG being an office District as well as the ofc so this is saying um um we're allowing this in two circumstances where we allow multi-dwelling which is an apartment complex the building form part of the building form could be a duplex Triplex or quadriplex so we're just clarifying it doesn't all have to be larger buildings and we occasionally have some small individual lots that are zoned one of those districts that up to this point haven't been a you haven't been able to use them for a dup Lex or a Triplex even though they were allowed in other places so we're adding that as well and we'd be glad if if that I know we get into the Weeds on this to to sit down offline on some of these items as well or or put something in a follow-up report so how will this impact residential neighborhoods with quadruplexes this will not unless a neighborhood is zoned a district that is really not aligned with that neighborhood so the neighborhoods are typically going to be zoned a neighborhood one district and this is not making any changes to the neighborhood one zoning districts for quadruplexes okay thank you that's all I have thank you thank you Mr Driggs so uh there's a lot in here I don't remember having seen all this it's hard to assess how material is this has not been discussed with the the committee with my committee right forgetting something um it was referenced at uh I believe I'm looking towards and Dave um but not gone into in detail and typically with the general cleanup we don't go into that detail we can certainly come back if that would be helpful to the committee and and go through these things or meet with council members and small groups or oneon-one to go through any of the items well I don't know if the rest of us feel having seen this that that you're ready to go um because I'm not and uh I'm not it's not clear to me when I I look at some of these clarifies this and that that it's just language changes or tidiness I think some of this goes into the direction of uh more meaningful I'd certainly like to hear uh any feedback that we got from uh the industry for example or the Udo committee advisory committee um I don't think this is that minor that we can just kind of sweep it through uh without uh I think giving it the benefit of a hearing process and I'd like to have a little more time uh to talk with some people about it so um I guess it's just a hearing tonight uh I would suggest though that I'd like a committee referral and that I'd like the committee to come back and recommend to the rest of you that uh where how we see it based on a further study thank you Mr Driggs as I look around a days I see a lot of uh faces that are um shaking and nodding um so we've taken that note down as a point of action I have Miss ashmir and then I have Miss Molina thank you so just from looking at the Dack it looks like it's just a cleanup uh but I agree with you Mr DRS we need to hear from the udio advisory committee where we have representation from the private sector affordable housing developers as well as neighborhoods to understand the implications um it looks like a lot of cleanup here here uh there are a lot of changes it may not have much implications but I think uh having an example of what this cleanup would do so if you can provide a couple of examples uh that would be helpful I know that this will go in front of your committee Mr Drakes to take a deeper dive but for those of us who are not part of the committee I think having an example would be helpful and obviously uh based on the commit discussion we will certainly have deeper insight into this um we have had similar cleanup text amendments in the past this is our fourth and I know that that didn't go through the committee but it was just a couple of slides this looks like so many slides of cleanup uh and I I just don't know what could be unintended consequences so uh it it just looks a lot um maybe it's just the number of slides um and and we've tried to to whittle this down we'd be glad again to meet with anyone um talk through with the committee it is actually um probably a shorter text Amendment than cleanup three which was which was very large um but anything we can do to provide Clarity we'd be glad to do that um we do think we have been working with the industry I think we'll ask that they reach out um uh to you as the chair of TBD councilman Driggs um and we have also gone out to the community with some engagement opportunities and gone through this as well and um we hear a little bit of feedback and we've made adjustments and we feel really good about where we are but we want to get you guys to feel the same way okay thank you that's all thank you Miss Molina thank you uh mayor protim I just I man some of the language I'm I'm a little uncomfortable with I think trying to get us to feel the same way I'm uncomfortable with right the goal is to get us to feel the same way right that's the goal the goal is that this voting body arrives at the same or or similar position in order to authorize this as something that is adopted for the city right we've never seen this before so I'm sitting here and I'm I don't care how long the slides are right I there's no way that I could synthesize this information because before sitting here tonight I never been introduced to it so you know I I know that it's a hearing but before this time when something is you know um it it goes through our committee process that is five you know of us that are all capable that I trust each time to entertain this in conversation and the meetings are open to every last one of us whether we're on the committee or not if we find something that's of Interest I've visited with other committees that I don't belong to if there's something of Interest that's on their agenda and the chairs have been a meable to me to you know inject into the conversation as a member of the council but a member that is not on that particular committee so uh these conversations are always open to every last council member regardless of um I'm being on the committee but I I agree with the chairman 100% in that you know uh there there needs to be some level of explanation and discussion um about this text Amendment before we I I my personal opinion is it shouldn't even be before us because it's not been seen by you know the the committee is is my um concern right now C hear you but want to clarify we're following the same process for the three cleanup text amendments that I believe you have unanimously approved previous seol beforehand I had seen them all before this is the first time I've seing this and I talk to him all the time so I again it when there's something that he even would like to run past me we'll have a conversation outside of this and he'll say hey I want to make sure you understand X Y and Z because this is happening just to give me a rundown of of what he's aware of and he's really good about doing that and I'm not aware of this we will gladly come to the committee but I think if there's a a way I know that this seems to be overwhelming tonight I mean we may have the same problem at committee so also we'd be glad to meet in smaller groups if that would help as well I don't think it's an either or we're just offering in any way that we can okay um and I I don't I don't really know what that would be um and and again that could be have you know something that we we discuss offline but I just um this is this is a lot to take in especially having not seen it not being introduced to it not knowing what the implications of these changes would be because at the end of the day the people who are beholden to the people are us right so when this becomes an issue they're going to email us they're going to call us they're going to contact us and they're going to say you approve this and and you don't have an ability to explain you know what's going to happen as a result so we have to be informed on what that means right very well understand so um again I'll I'll digress there and I just want to emphasize my interest in in making sure that we have a proper discussion around these changes thank you thank you Miss Molina any additional comment thank you did you have an additional comment thank you for the presentation I think you've heard the uh the message and we've taken some notes as next steps as well I have a motion to close public Hearing in a second all in favor raise hands any opposed that is unanimous we'll move on to agenda item number 24 petition number um 2024 072 by the drfort company the location is approximately 19.5 Acres located at the dead end of Harvest Hill Drive East of Lawrence or Road and North of barcliff Drive in District 5 Miss Molina's District the current zoning is mx1 um in n n o n1a and ic1 the proposed zoning is MX 1 i n n o vpa and N1 DCd staff recommends the approval of this petition upon resolution of outstanding issues related to the site and building design transportation and environment and after staff's presentation Mr Brown you will have 10 minutes and uh we do have opposition uh is Miss Carolyn right heart and Mr Paul Taylor present excellent you will have 10 minutes after the petitioner and then there will be a two-minute rebuttal thank you thank you this petition is approximately 19 A5 Acres located west of Lawrence or Road South of johnette drive and east of WT Harris Boulevard North of barclift Drive current zoning is uh mx1 Innovative N1 a and ic1 proposed zoning is mx1 innovative site plan Amendment and n1d CD the 2040 policy map recommends neighborhood one for majority of the site on campus Place type for um the northern corner so this is majority of the site is a is a site plan Amendment petition 2021 280 reone the majority of the site to allow 35 single family detached dwellings and 28 multifam attached dwellings the current petition would amend the approved plan while including additional parcels and increasing the number of dwelling units it would maintain the general development pattern of the previously approved plan establish a network of public streets extending off Harvest Hill Drive to provide access to the new proposed Lots would allow for a total of 96 dwelling units including 688 single family detached and or attached dwellings in the mx1 portion of the site and 28 single family detached Andor attached dwelling units in the n1d portion of the site includes six Lots proposed at the end of the jnet drive cesac in the event that the petitioner is able to acquire a city-owned parcel on jet drive the petitioner commits to providing two affordable residences in the first phase of the development along Harvest Spring Drive request the Innovative provision iions of the mx1 zoning District to allow for 20ft front setbacks and rear yards and 5ft side yards commits to architectural standards for single family attached units including porches and stoop Stoops as predominant features and garage doors recessed from the front wall plane and commits to enhanced plantings along proposed storm Water Management areas abing existing residential lots and public streets staff recommends approval of this ition upon resolution of outstanding issues related to site and building design transportation and the environment the petition is both in consistent and inconsistent with the 2040 policy map the petition proposes to maintain the key elements of a previously approved plan while allowing for more units on additional acreage a portion of the site lies within a housing Gap the petition proposes a mix of single family attached and single family detached dwellings which will broaden the housing options in this area of the city upon sale of a city-owned property the petition commits to providing two affordable units in the first phase of development the proposed moderate density residential will provide an appropriate transition from the multif family residential and institutional uses to the east of the site and single family detached residential to the West planning staff requests that the properties at the end of johnette Drive be limited to single family detached and or duplex only johnette Drive is as narrow as 17 ft in places and can only support limited new development I will take any questions following the petitioners presentation and comments from the community thank you Mr Brown good evening uh council members sending committee Colin Brown on behalf of the petitioner uh drf for communities probably drf for's here somewhere there he is um thanks Joe for the overview uh as Joe mentioned this is a little bit almost as a phase two of a rezoning uh that came before you last year so if our if our slides are available like to walk you through those um again just kind of context I think good frame of reference for the discussion on the text Amendment and a reminder that uh we are in great need of housing there's great demand for housing we have a housing crisis and um it kind of develops out here so if y'all are familiar um Harris Boulevard uh Hickory Grove Baptist Church campus here the end of the site the the bulk of the site we took through rezoning last year um all the area that is in mx1 we came through had a conversation had Community feedback that was about a year ago and so you're probably asking well why are you back here uh so it happens as as mentioned there's a great demand for housing when a development team like the draf for company comes in is looking at this is true infill development that's why we're going to hear so much from Neighbors tonight literally we're coming in at kind of a back of a neighborhood but these are properties that are between these single family homes and multif family we have apartments on the other side we have the Hickory Grove campus there so this is kind of this Keystone so when we came in and did the resenting for this part and the goal was to to bring uh affordable for sale housing that people can afford to buy so they can live in the city of Charlotte uh when that occurred people learned about this and and actually we got some contact from some other property owners so that's why we're back uh here's the property we reone last year after conversations uh the church said you know there's conversations with the church they had some excess land uh the city of Charlotte had an excess parcel and so the drer company was involved in those conversations and that's important uh because that allows us to develop you know housing is scalable right so it is um more efficient for us to develop affordable housing more affordable housing if we do it as part of a project so instead of kind of this one off two and three lots we brought it all into this so that is the reason so you can see we went from this area so I'll show you we're going to add Lots here and here so now this kind of fills out to this these are the lots we've added here on Janette a couple here and so it's really kind of creating an opportunity U kind of behind the ball fields on harvest uh Hickory Grove uh to to have some land that is being unused to incorporate it into a development plan that's going forward so regardless if we did no rezoning tonight uh we've already got this zoning plan and you could come in and as you all know kind of work under the existing zoning and build this out we obviously thought it would be more efficient to bring this in together add some conditions we're in the back of a neighborhood so it helps that we're in a conditional Zone environment so we can make commitments to neighbors as we hear feedback that as a look at it uh what it looks like um and I will say we started this plan and we've had I think pretty robust uh Community engagement we had a virtual official community meeting we've had two in-person Community meetings uh councilman Molina has been a part of those I think Mr drf for B have had an unofficial community meeting with some neighbors even tonight uh as we were waiting through the Clos session so there's been a lot of discussion I expect that will continue uh the main discussion early on was uh essentially we were going to have these communities really interconnected jet drive U which Steph mentioned is a very narrow Street um and so the original part was bringing um the development down johnette and connecting up with a larger development I think the highest priority that we heard at the community meetings was that concern about that much traffic on johnette so since our community meetings we have revised the plan uh we have we have kind of ended that connection generally C do I feel like requires us to make those C do went out there they went on the field they saw the condition of the street and they said okay this makes sense so what's we'll we'll allow you to not put that much traffic on it so we've essentially ended uh the jet development rather than connecting down to the rest it would just be a culde saac uh we're currently showing it with six Lots at the end of Jette so I hope that has addressed some of those concerns now at the same time that means that our traffic will now go Sou South around Harvest Hill and of course Neighbors on Harvest Hill are saying gosh we'd rather not have those trips on our street either uh but that's where we are we're in a we're in a fast growing city um so I think that the conversation that is going on uh we do have some comments from staff about these Parcels on johnette I I appreciate them pointing out again one of the parcels we were able to add it was kind of a managerie of some from the church uh there's a city of Charlotte parcel that could be incorporated uh of course miles and his team said hey if it's a if the city property is going in we're going to want to make sure we've get some affordability out of it so there's a commitment uh if that is part of it those essentially what could be developed on that site those two units uh would be affordable units uh we're open to having ongoing conversations with the neighbors uh on Jette but that's a good overview and again infill housing is our is always hard you're you're developing literally in someone's backyard we're connecting to streets that folks may have thought were dead ends or called a saxs for many years and now we're coming in and bringing in almost 100 new units uh we're trying to to design this efficiently I think it does work better when you do a conditional zoning the site layout works better for us and we can have some commitments back and forth uh we've already had commitments hey we won't come back and do just triplexes through here you know a certain amount of these will be single family a certain amount will be duplexes and we're uh happy to continue those conversations so uh uh I'm sure we've got extra time but I'll just wait for questions after uh we hear from the community thank you Mr Brown uh Miss Reinhardt and Mr Taylor if you'd like to come down to the podium you'll have 10 minutes in aggregate to um State your issues and concerns regarding this petition be careful see yeah be careful be careful stepping down you want to go first or you want me go cuz mine is on the second half okay how do you work this cool stuff let me see this one I don't know I I guess I don't get all the fun joystick stuff did you I'm sorry before you begin did you submit some slides that you I'm just trying to figure out these slides that uh you all have anyway uh one of the big problems that uh we have is that as you as you see here they say that there there's a one there's uh one Avenue to go into their uh area which is going to have 96 units and that's a lot of units every person having two cars every every car going back and forth uh twice a day that's like close to 400 uh people going back and forth on a one block road that we have now that's just just that one entrance but if you look back on barcliffe and warrena that is the only entrance to this area in which they're going to be developing off of and from there in that area there's already 48 units 48 houses where so uh they're going to have they're putting a great deal more traffic than that goes from Harvest Hill through bark CFT down Warren or past Jet and uh is the density they say oh it's a it's a transitional density but if you were to look at the uh how the Delta Crossing is laid out they have uh six apartments in one building so they have a great deal of room for the water to run off or run down into the ground whereas in their um it's very dense it's uh it's like Paving the whole thing and lots of run water is going to be running off all those PVE servfaces into the streams and things uh that uh we have there also oh excuse me um let's see there's um there's I wish my wife was here because she was telling us that uh they're not allowed to open up a uh culdesac or a um permanently Dead End Road and they're going to say well yours is a dead end and we can develop off of dead end well we have a problem what's what's the difference between a dead end and a permanent dead endend nobody tells us and then and then we have this uh uh another thing that someone was telling us that on a uh when you go down a single um a single entrance there's a limit to how many units you can put in which is we have 48 they could they say they could have up to 100 well they're putting an addition 96 on that 48 so D that uh barcliffe lawen or uh entrance they're going to have now what's uh uh 130 something in there now as I see it that has quite a u problem when it comes to emergency vehicles because you're H going from a lower density area to a much higher density area they say there's a great transition from this area uh that is close by a highway basically East WT Harris but they don't uh they don't transition from our their higher density to a lower density no they're going from a lower density to a higher density according to how the traffic pattern is now that shows that there's going to be a real problem with traffic at quote Rush Hour people are going to be wanting to go through these areas and and it's going to just be a cluster fill in the rest um so that is the problem that we have with the whole area Al together the whole area so this is something that we you know I don't believe should have been approved to begin with and the council back there I don't believe has ever gone into that area to look to look and see what's going on one of the emergency vehicles uh that's on the campus of uh Hickory Grove is going to have to come out take a left go down WT Harris go all the way over to uh Hickory Grove Road take another left go to um lawence War take another left down to barclift take another left go to Harvest Hill take another left and if you had the uh areas in uh showing their traffic pattern you'd see that there's more lifts they can take the left hand the left turn is the most dangerous turn for vehicles whether it's an emergency vehicle other and they're just they've just made look like a little um sweet roll out of that you have four minutes left okay I will give it I'm not sure if you if she wanted to speak here you all have four minutes in combination okay I'm talking about something completely different he's Harvest Hill and I'm jet dve still got a it was a total of 10 things you have four minutes um 10 minutes combined and right now you have four minutes left so if you you sign up to speak for this petition correct yes okay you you need to take your time if you want to speak you have four minutes left okay the problem is this I'll go right to it our portion of the petition is a revision when they could not do jet drive as the access area to Harvest Hill Parcels with the kodac and that would be the only access to the Cod saxs on jet drive I called and asked will we get a rezoning number separate they told me know we would have to include it now my concerns are this and I should have gotten the fire department here because johnette drive is not a standard Street size it's like 17 ft we had an in an incident where we had some domestic issues the police came and the fire department couldn't get by the police cars so they had to back out and go back to lawena Road I I can only say I can't I don't have a problem with Drakeford building I have a problem with the impositions it's going to put on johnette drive and someone needs to and I I sent uh councilman Molina an email to tell her we need to meet a again we need to meet again because what we're doing now is separate from the original resoning petition so I didn't know any other way to do this but to come with Mr Taylor so we can't have you approve the resoning for the Harvest Hill because we're not part of it anymore we're our own little entity now that has to be looked at so I don't know any other way to come to tell you that other than jet drive is a separate entity unless Council Molina has something to say hang Onish hang on you have a minute and a half left so you have to use your time and then you can ask questions but okay well my other part would be has anybody ever been to johnette drive does anybody know where johnette Drive is have you ever seen it it's a long driveway it's it's not a street it's not a road it's been there we had to put gravel down so we could get in and out it is not a situation where you can have two vehicles coming and going at the same time somebody has to stop and be in somebody's yard while that vehicle passes is it by the church uh I'll let you all have the rest of it I don't have anything else to say other than if we need to do another uh resoning then we need to do that okay thank you uh Mr Brown will have a two-minute rebuttal they still have time in meeting yeah just said she didn't want to use it it's the other gentleman do do you have anything else to say you all have one minute left if you have anything else to say uh Mr Brown it's fine don't the thing about the petition the only people if you're going to use the one minute can you step up to the mic thank I'm just sorry it's just that the only people against the petition are the two folks that are residents everybody for constructions uh lawyers uh Mr Mr Brown you with the lands okay so you've got two people trying to represent an entire Community we are not a we are not a subdivision jet drive is not a subdivision we're not part of anything we're we're our own little Street our own little entity that has been pulled into this to allow traffic and even with the six Parcels that's an additional 12 vehicles that are going to be on jnet Drive 204 ways going back and forth yes and not to mention there are only 13 homes on jnet drive so I mean that's that's all I can say is if we need to go back and do a peti for just Jette drive thank you ma'am thank you we're we're going to allow Mr Brown and Mr drer to have a a two minute rebuttal and uh the two of you stay close because um council member Molina may have questions for you go ahead you have two minutes I I don't actually think I'm going to rebut that I'm just going to kind of clarify um and that's accurate right when we uh filed this reasoning we had added the additional parcels and this was essentially unified development right you could come in on Jette or you could come in on harvest Hill and the idea was all of the Lots could go either way uh I know that folks have been to Jette I know that seot went out there I think the council member Molina has been there and therefore we changed the petition essentially to have Jette up there by itself and the southern part of the development on its own so what that has done is is the first speaker is correct now most of the units are served by Harvest Hill and what we we're still working on and and Mr draer continues to communicate with the neighbors up there on johnette is that would be six lots and how do we treat that and that conversation is ongoing so it in fact has been bifurcated so that's true uh and we are we we'll continue those conversations you have a minute left I don't really have much to add just want to thank Colin and thank you'all for letting us present tonight it's certainly unfortunate we don't all agree we've had a lot of very constructive dialogue and uh have a good report with one another i' certainly appreciate their concerns um you know we have ideas we bring them in to get everyone's feedback we thought it was a good idea we still think it is we made many modifications including um not connecting the community it was uh an idea that we had that was shot down to separate it we were forced to reconnect it's a great cost to cross that Creek um that is impacting the economics of the project but these are six um houses going on roughly uh about an acre and a half does appear to be super dense uh not by our and certainly so we didn't feel that we were causing this impact we regret it but I've been on that street and it depends on what time of day you go it seems uh there are times where cars are parked on the street uh there are times when they are not and uh and I have not had that much difficulties gaining access thank you thank you Mr drer I will'll open it up for discussion Miss Molina Miss Molina you have some other colleagues would you like to speak first or would you well you I I need to speak first and you may have to come back to me uh thank you uh Madame mayor protin first off I want to say um to miss Reinhardt and Mr Taylor thank you for coming that's that's got to be something that's a little bit intimidating to come um and speak out against something that's not um you know something that you do on a day-to-day basis and and I understand the method and the way in which you were articulating because we've sat down and we've talked I did get your email email I'm Miss Reinhardt I've been really busy but I have had you on my mind and I've had a lot of conversations in the interim so I do want you to know that I have been in contact with Colin um and Mr Drakeford and our staff um with regards to this and and just for context for my colleagues this this they're talking about two separate streets right that would seemingly if we tried to make it analogous would almost be two different neighborhoods that would touch this and so so they have completely separate interests in why they have concerns around this particular petition um the problem is is that like uh the petitioner said there has already been a parcel that has been approved that they have the ability to BU on right so you have uh essentially a piece of property that's been awarded by the church that would become a part of this property and there's an additional piece which I think David needs to come up uh petting because he can give light to this um there's also a piece that would be in combination with this petition that would be a purchase from the city of Charlotte that has not been finalized so there's there's more to the story um and I I don't think we're anywhere near where we could make a finalized decision on this petition because of that alone not to mention the concerns from the neighbors um and so you know my my concern is that um we've had the last meeting that I went to with this neighborhood it was robust we had it at the Hickory Grove Church and there was there was a lot of attendance at that meeting uh a lot of passion in that room uh I don't think there was a person that was for it at that time everyone was in opposition and they've made some changes since that particular meeting uh to address Jette drive and they're absolutely right Jette Drive is a very small street if someone has parked on that street no one can get by I mean it is not even a street by standard so um that's something that's existing that's not a part of this petition but to put extra stress on that street would just be unfair to those residents but again the petitioner has actually made the adjustment to not have traffic go down that particular Street as a result of this petition but it doesn't answer the question of the other residents that have concerns that live on you know a different part of um what would but this particular neighborhood so um Colin and I spoke earlier today and and I feel very strongly that there's still more work to do um around this petition uh David and I spoke today um about some additional uh deliverables that are outstanding with regards to this petition that would still leave um um some some items to be handled before a decision would come before you guys my you know colleagues on this Council to uh take a look at this so um and and Colin if you could clarify there are two streets of interest and you and I we've talked about it johnette again just to be clear is and if you could bring that up I know you got a clear picture yeah if y'all could put my slides up I can put our site plan up or I can use this can can we get our deck if not I'll I'll use this um so here is johnette to the north currently showing six lots and that is all the red arrow is and it's you know one of the things we're actually talking about because there's we're we're in this conditional zoning environment Mr drf for has said hey well I could make commitments because we're in a rezoning and say you know these would only be single family or duplex spot versus a Triplex which is otherwise allowed so I think it's I think there's a potential that we actually come out with greater protections for the Neighbors than we would under a byright scenario and they get some assurances of what goes there and then there's another Street in question as well and this is Harvest Hill which connects to the kind of the Harvest Hill is down here uh and this is essentially the the main development and pretty similar to what has been improved already uh so it's really just adding a couple Parcels here and here there's there's not much change between what's happening on the south side and what was already approved there and although you're not directly involved do you know where the purchased property from the city of Charlotte lies it would kind of be like right up in there it would be a so I'm sorry council member Johnson next did you if I could show how push that so it's it's right here in this cold dis act that's essentially the city's property which we um have had discussion about you know where the affordable houses would be built or whatever form of housing we um all agree upon we certainly have a understanding of the terms and timing there are a lot of issues that have happened with this project particularly regarding this Creek here which we sought to not cross uh because it would save us $600,000 this reconnection requirement is impacting our Prospect so uh the housing folks have been great and responsive to you know all the issues we've encountered um we're committed to their requirements and maybe there are one or two things uncertain but nothing major whatever uh their terms of in Reon they are used to doing I think rental more than for sale so we had to really adjust to the fact that this is a Land Development undertaken for us with a home builder but now that we've talked enough and think we're Accord would you agree with that Mes in Caroline thank y'all for your help um and and so I I'll conc because I know my my colleagues also have questions but I I'm a big fan and Colin knows this because you've worked with me before of meeting in the Middle where can we meet so that PE our I've said this before when we purchase our house it is our greatest investment there's not much that we purchase that is more of a major investment than that and so the interest in where we live and and how that remains a place that we love to stay in that we love to you know raise our children in and and and call home is very important and so you know although we do have a need for housing and I don't want to you know seemingly take a position for or against but I am hoping that we balance the fact that yes we have a need for housing and yes we have people with decimal years that AB but this property that still want to love where they call home so we have to make that work for both parties um and that's my primary interest in in this uh conversation so with that I'll concede for now and thank you Miss Molina Miss azir thank you Miss Anderson um council member Molina helped me with uh clarify uh because there are two different streets this map makes it easier to understand um I agree with council member Molina uh where we have to work to balance the two sides uh I have a couple of questions so back in 2022 when the resoning was approved what was the density then and what is the density now might have to get staff to answer on the the density it's pretty an XL chart that shows it oh yeah you're right if yeah if we have our slides we do have a good very good comparison it's very similar um this isn't a particularly dense development I I think the core question at the moment regardless shet drive and whether there would be think single family or Duets is that your main concern is yeah so we we had a lot of conversation and so you know something just kind of generically I like to comment on respect in regards to you know single family versus a duet or town home um well the question was about the density only you can't you can't go back in we're waiting to find that chart that's why I was just kind of talking okay we go yeah all right so that First Column shows what we initially zoned and that density was 4.12 per acre and then um now now we're at 4.92 per acre that's the far right column and that's if we do the maximum number of units which um it's not likely we certainly can go back and refine what's likely to happen so I think by most definitions it's a fairly low density project as initially proposed or currently proposed so I'm just so there are four columns so first is what we had approved back in 2022 right this is the approved Zing plan for Southern portion so that that density was 4.12 4.12 and the furthest right is what you are proposing is that correct based on revisions uh based on feedback from the community that's the maximum D so 4.92 is what you're propos I see so it's not it's not significantly different than what was approved back in 2022 um you mentioned something about affordable what what part of the development would be uh will include affordable so so is this housing for House Charlotte program yes that's correct okay so how many units you said two two on V side and they are on you know we I think this is our final plan here no this one is it which one is it sorry here we go okay so more than likely we could be very specific but we we've concluded that these here which are essentially on the land that's being purchased from the city would be where the affordable would be located go okay and so miss Reinhardt and Mr Taylor talked about well miss Reinhardt brought up this concern about access especially considering jonet Street um so is that a public that this question is for staff is this a public Street it is a public Street okay so in terms of an access for emergency vehicles I know there are requirements so does that meet the minimum it does not meet the current request for fire which is 20 feet in width they're parts of jet that're only 17 feet wide so they would have to expanded there not as part of this petition there would not be expansion of okay can you I just want to make sure I got it can you repeat that so johnette drive is a public Street um it is as narrow as 17 ft in places what fire typically requests we're dealing with the existing conditions here um and that's part of our assessment um in in the request for the the loss to the end of jnet Drive um and and in our request to limit those to either single family we do have a storm water R yes perfect that that would be great and I this would be would this fall under udio or pre udio is was this petition file pre udio or this actually it'd be a combination part of this is preo mx1 innovative and other areas are our Udo zoning okay because there you know obviously we strengthened our storm water requirement in Udo so how would that work um Robie zinc with storm water excuse me um in this area the requirements would be the same um either Udo or pre-o so um I'm not sure where their concerns are but you know for the creek the requirements are the same the development would have to treat for water quality and quantity and we have our Engineers here if you would like to ask Matt Langston good evening Matt Langston landworks Design Group um so with the prior project we were in the middle of construction plans and permitting plan review and all that that when Bobby added the additional property so we've got storm water detention facilities on the property um can we see where the storm water detention ponds will be sure we've got we've got one located right here and one located right here on either side of the um Creek and then we propos storm water up here to kind of pick up the new runoff from the new added land so so is it fair to say say that runoff from this side would not deteriorate the condition of neighbors properties we'll comply with the ordinance so we look at the storm water runoff of the pre-existing condition and the proposed condition and we basically captured the difference okay so I mean it doesn't make so one of the um with strong water runoff um the ordinance we have in place is to ensure that with this infill development we are not making neighbors properties uh where where we are not where we not uh increasing storm water runoff issue for the neighboring properties so by the post construction storm water ordinance which they will have to comply with they will have to treat for like I said water quality and quti so they will be detaining their development back to predevelopment conditions that Matt mentioned uh for the majority of Storms and there was another questions around dead end um so where where exactly is that oh I think it was Mr Taylor Mr Taylor could you please come to the podium please he's like please come me let me come up I I know you had asked about dead end what exactly were you referring to and if you can show it to us in automa U Mr Taylor can you step up to the podium and speak into the mic so we can hear you yes okay let me see green button green button right there okay this right there is a retention Pond I like to call it the Delta pond because that pwn I know it a little bit because I've been here for 30 years back when Delta cross let me see Delta airport was working they had a pond and it's that right there water would come from the Delta airport and go this was and this is before even um WT Harris was existed and water would come from the airport into that pond he's talking about the airport that used to be across the street we had a airport remember where they got those apartments on this is old okay this this retention Pawn was able to hold the water for that airport however since that airport um is has been gone for a long time we've had a lot of building WT Harris itself goes uh between these areas and all that water from a lot of water from that road goes into this Pond uh hi Grove Baptist Church a lot of that water goes into this Pond Delta Crossing it go a lot of all this water coming from Delta Crossing goes into this area which goes into the stream there a lot of it comes in there they these um in the world these uh places have catch ponds along here and what they do is they catch what right uh water run off from the streets and parking and the H and the roofs and the and what they are what they do is they funnel into these catch ponds and they are it's put underwater and apparently the city says Hey the water's gone but the water isn't gone the water goes down underground and Le and oops sorry about that oh goodness gracious uh so what Mr Taylor and and Miss asir I just want to make sure that we're on topic here because you asked a question about a dead end and now we're in a different space yeah I think Mr Taylor let's make sure that we're answering the questions that are being asked I think Mr Mr Taylor you addressed my question and and you you maybe gave us a history lesson um but I hear what you're saying but what strong waterer staff is saying that there is a strong Strongwater ordinance in place uh to protect neighboring properties and to make sure that runoff doesn't happen on neighboring properties so I well uh may I okay I Mr Taylor so hang on Mr Taylor Mr Taylor yes yes sir hang on so um the council member asked you a question and she just said that you sufficiently answer her question so we're going to move on to for additional questions I appreciate the the depth of knowledge that you have but we have to stick to answering the questions that the council members have sir okay so Mr Taylor I appreciate it if I I'll reach out to you if I have additional questions about the the history of the side and the strong water uh but it looks like there is a lot more work that needs to be done uh and and and um may I say sir sir sir no hang on sir you you can't make statements unless there's a question being asked okay okay so hang on hang on because Miss ashir are you done with your I'm about to wrap it up if I may okay so there needs to be more work I'll continue to uh hear from district council member I think you in good hands with council member Molina and I look forward to um seeing some sort of Middle Ground here and I don't know what that looks like uh but I think that you all need to continue to work with the neighbors to figure that out uh but um certainly this is lot more complex than uh than uh some of the other petitions that are in front of us so I appreciate your patience uh for both sides in helping us get up to speed on this and I'll reach out if I have any additional questions but I'll I'll continue to work with district council member Molina thank Youk you thank you Miss ashir Miss Johnson did you have questions um just just just a few I can work with council member Molina also but I just want to understand the petition um so there are 96 units total is that what I understand 96 yes that would be the maximum number of units okay and six of them are on jet and 90 are off Harvest heel is that right somewhat so there's six Lots on Jed which could be either single family or duet so perhaps a total 12 on Jette 6 to 12 okay and then my next question is for staff and we've said several times that Janette is not you know not up to standard or not not a typical street is there a plan to improve Janette um and maybe we can talk offline when we talk about infrastructure and building I'd like to know the number of streets in Charlotte that that look like that or or that under that condition so I'd like a lot more information on on Janette and what the plan is in in the future and how that applies to the UDF so talk about it offline thank you that's all I have thank you um any additional comments um Miss Molina thank you and I I'll be brief um so I I just want to let you guys know that I I do plan to stay in contact with the petitioner uh with the neighbors because there there's still work to do this this this petition needs much more work um and and and a lot more communication between staff and the neighborhood and the petitioner um and and there's another issue that's outstanding with the city of Charlotte that also in my opinion I I want to go on the record and say I would like to see tied up before we even entertain this so I don't even think this is going to come back before us next month because there's an outstanding issue um with regards to um affordable units that is uh contingent there it's not really a contingency it's kind of in addition to so because if not what would happen is there would be a small amount of affordable units that have not been finalized uh and then we make a you know a decision on a petition that abuts the and then it comes back it's just it's it's not tied up there's more work to be done so I just want to make sure that I exclamate that um and I'll be in contact with all of you to let you know what the updates are and that's all I have mayor proen thank to close second there's a motion to close public hearing and second all in favor raise hands any oppose that is unanimous thank you Miss Reinhardt and Mr Taylor for coming out and participating in the process we will move on to agenda item number 25 petition number 20242 by Fernando Rivera the location is approximately 62 acres located along the south side of Wallace Lane West of Dorne Circle and east of East Independence Boulevard in District 5 Miss Molina's District the current zoning is in 1B proposed zoning is in 1e staff recommends approval of this PE petition upon resolution of outstanding issues related to transportation and environment there is no opposition to this petition so after staff's presentation Fernando Rivera are you present if you can make your way down to this Podium here you will have three minutes after staff's presentation thank you thank you and I'll just note really quickly that this is a conventional petition so there are no outstanding issues that might have been a misprint so I apologize for that but this petition is little over half an acre located along the south side of Wallace Lane within the broader Idle Wild neighborhood uh the area is predominantly development de with single family as well as multif family uses they have commercial areas just located to the west of this site less than a half mile away site is currently Zone neighborhood 1B and they're proposing to go to Neighborhood 1e which is consistent with the policy map's recommendation for neighborhood one at this property in the surrounding Parcels it is a conventional petition again so there is no Associated site plan staff recommends approval the n1b and the n1e zoning districts allow for the same single family residential uses the primary differences between those two neighborhood one districts being limited to dimensional standards such as lot size and lot width so this petition would allow for more flexibility within those dimensional standards but maintain that same single family intent of the existing zoning they densifying residential areas along this Corridor including a multif family development that has been entitled in under construction along the rezoning western boundary and the proposed n1e zoning would be compatible with this existing and future land uses of the area May provide a better transition between those multif family uses coming up on the west and the L intense single family zoning uses to the East and I'll take any questions following petitioners comments thank you Mr ver you have 3 minutes look yes I Ed we used doing a a conventional petition from n1b to n1e for allowing us more flexibility to probably do something a little bit different later on this is something on my family I live in the property at the moment and we just planning to do probably a duplex if not two single family houses in order for my family to be more together okay do you have any additional comments you have two and a half minutes left I know there there was an inconvenience with the neighbor on the back of the street because of the storm water because she believed that we're doing a big Community there but we're not so we're not touching anything with the storm water that that was a problem that we have with the neighbor y okay close second thank you are there any comments yes Miss mol you have a motion to close public hearing in a second we get to it however Miss Molina right thank you um just really briefly I I see that you had a a community meeting those are the two people that you're referring to yeah there was one one person that that had a problem the other two are okay with the okay yeah okay yeah I'm just referring to what we have here as far as the community meeting so you had a small meeting there was a small outpouring and you had some people who had some storm water concerns as a result yeah they had some storm water concerns but we're not since we're doing something residential we're not touching any of that for if I can clarify it might help so the storm water concerns that were uh somebody called me a neighbor they had storm water concerns related to the multif family project that is under development and some storm water infrastructure questions um because of that multif family development and how that property boundary abuts their neighbor and so they're called thinking that this petition might be Rel to that project but they're separate okay yeah because there's other development going on in that area correct um so the just to clarify you're saying that the storm Roder concerns are for another property that has nothing to do with this petition yes it's for the multif family property that was entitled along the western boundary it's a a larger property that extends even further south uh from Wallace Lane and this parcel in question tonight this property does not AB but any of the neighbors that were calling concerned about that storm water infrastructure for the multif family project and is that's something that we're going to take care of right whatever it's being so it's in permitting so storm they would be analyzed appropriately through um any storm water reviews that happen in permiting so they are currently um under construction but there are number reviews and they will be following the post construction storm water ordinance okay and I just want to say it's personal I love that you're going to put your family together thank you I think that's a great thing um I I I know that we don't do that much in the South it's a new phenomenon the udio process allows people to do that more but to have family kind of in the same place and the fact that you're willing to go to this process it tells me that that means a lot to you so I congratulate you there because you know as we have family that's aging and we want to keep them close to us it it means a lot so good for you congratulations and that's I have thank you we have a motion to close public Hearing in a second all in favor raise hands that is unanimous thank you at number 26 was deferred so we will move on to agenda item 27 202 489 by true holes the location is approximately 4.09 Acres located along the north side of homus road west of Wildwood Avenue in District 2 Mr Gramps District current zoning is n1c proposed zoning in2 a CD staff recommends the approval of this petition upon a resolution of outstanding issues related to the environment inight as well as building design and after staff's presentation Miss Grant you will have three minutes thank you good evening uh petition 202 24089 is located along the north side of Hovis Road West of Wildwood Avenue s's approximately 4.09 acres and is currently undeveloped current zoning is n1c neighborhood one pro zoning is n ACD neighborhood 2 conditional 240 policy map recommends the neighborhood one place type n2a district is inconsistent with the N1 Place type approval of this petition would revise the 2040 policy map recommendation to the neighborhood to place type proposal calls for up to 39 multif family attached dwellings all units will be House Charlotte El eligible providing a degree of affordability following streetscape and Landscaping improvements are proposed the buildings along Hovis Road will be oriented uh towards the street and will contain no more than four units per building all other buildings will be limited to no more than six units per building an 8ft sidewalk and 8ft planing strip will be provided along Hovis Road a 30ft setback is measured from existing rideway or 24 ft is measured from a from future backa curb whichever is greater will be provided along Hest Road 10 10 foot Class B Land class C landscape yard will be provided along the side and rear of the site where to buts um the single family uh properties at the periphery all residential entrances will be connected to a sidewalk following architectural requirements are proposed maximum Building height is limited to 44 ft usable front porches will be provided porch will be a minimum of 6 ft in depth and covered preferred building materials include brick stone or pre-cast Stone roof articulation and roof pitch will be provided um building entrances within 15 ft of the public Street will be raised at least 12 in above sidewalk grade Solway Services service areas will be screened um existing CATS bus stop on Hovis Road will be upgraded to an ADA Compliant facility staff recommends approval of this petition upon outstanding ISS upon resolution of outstanding issues related to environment and site and building design as the site's within A4 mile of a designated Community Activity Center or Neighborhood Activity Center excuse me the proposed development would provide an attainable attainable housing through the house Charlotte program an area that's been identified as lacking access to Housing Opportunity and access um to housing Gap by the 2040 comprehensive plan and the site is directly served by transit I'm happy to take any questions following Miss Grant's presentation thank you Miss Grant good evening mayor protan members of council members of the zoning committee Bridget Grant land use consultant with Mor and Van Allen it is a pleasure to be here tonight on behalf of True Homes and prosperity Alliance we are thrilled to be sharing another initiative that aligns with our faith faith in housing efforts so with that I'm going to take the easy part tonight and just turn it over to Marcus he's going to talk a little bit more about our efforts and we're happy to answer any questions let me go ahead and get the slide up for you Marcus thank you thank you good evening good evening and just state your name for the record yes uh I'm Marcus corn I'm with prosperity Alliance we're a residential development company based here in Charlotte I'm here with my partner Sean Kennedy we're serving as consultants on this Community Development opportunity and collaboration with Chappelle Memorial Baptist Church and True Homes uh staff has pointed out um this development fits and solves a need for housing in District 2 and as uh was pointed out by uh Bridget that the beautiful thing about this development is is that all 39 homes that are going to be built uh are going to be House Charlotte eligible basically priced at 315k and below uh and providing home ownership home ownership opportunities for that Community I think what's also awesome is that this community actually the ZIP code aligns with the house Charlotte plus program which for families that our 80% Ami below and meet the house Charlotte plus criteria they can uh realize up to $80,000 in buy down assistance for the home so it's a very uh amazing opportunity for attainable affordable home ownership through the house Charlotte program with this development and all 39 homes are going to be eligible um the icing on the cake on this though and Bri just touched on that is is that this project aligns to uh the faith in Housing Initiative that was started by mayor vow and is now being spearheaded by uh council member Mayfield and the leader of uh uh Chappelle Memorial Baptist is Pastor Moss who's very familiar with working with the community with the city with uh the church with With Private Industry to build affordable homes as he's done that before as the pastor at uh St Paul Baptist Church and that centa square community that he built out and so we're honored and thrilled the opportunity to collaborate with him he couldn't be here today but he sends his best uh early this summer seconds left okay early this summer we had a great community meeting uh right after church and folks are excited about the opportunity so thank you thank you very much um any questions all right I see Miss Johnson Miss Brown and then miss ashmir thank you Miss Anderson M John Johnson Brown then you thank you mayor protim and hello gentlemen it's nice to see you and this this sounds exciting the house Charlotte plus and the faith-based initiative this this sounds like a very exciting initiative um yeah I don't have any questions I this seems like something that I'd look forward to support and thank you for the work that you're doing thank thank you appreciate your support Miss B thank you mayor protim good to see y'all again I like to see when people come in and they're speaking um the language that people in the community want to hear so very excited about the faith and housing program I know this is going to go far and maybe it can just be a Model A pilot that we can kick off all over the city but I'm all in I'm excited because you stand affordable um home ownership is definitely needed in our community rent is outrageous in Charlotte I'm going to say this for the record uh in North Carolina we are the most unfordable place to live and rent so this project coming in comes in place with keeping people in line and then Financial residual keeping it in family and so people can have home ownership for years and decades to come when we're long gone so I'm excited to see how this play out and how I can support Mr Graham even though he's not here and also council member uh Mayfield in that project so I'm very very excited so thank you keep doing this work and you'll keep having my support thank you appreciate you council member Brown thank you thank you Miss a thank you Miss Anderson is this site owned by Chapel Memorial Baptist Church Chappelle Chapelle okay so they are donating this land and for affordable housing for for sale for sale sale yeah well thank you so much uh like my colleague said appreciate uh the faith communities help with tackling affordable housing price absolutely agree I do have one more question I'm sorry one more okay M Johnson is Chappelle Chelle was there any Community opposition none okay we had two Community meetings a lot of support and a lot of questions and great engagement and dialogue okay good all right thank you move to close yep second second thank you and before we close I just wanted to say I like seeing you too in front of us more and more because you guys do great work in the community so I'm glad that you are um liasing with Miss Grant on this effort and um as you mentioned the home ownership opportunity and the the opportunity to have down payment assistance in an area where it's of dire need for generational change generational impact this is a a wonderful opportunity and so I'm I'm excited for uh District 2 residents who have an opportunity to take advantage of this so thank you for your work thank you appreciate your support there's a motion to close public Hearing in second all in favor raise hands any opposed that is unanimous we will move on to agenda item number 28 petition number 2024 9 5 by Tron advisor LLC the location is approximately 6.5 08 Acres located along the north side of old bellme Drive East of Bill meet drive and west of San Gabriel Avenue in the etj closest to County Commission District 2 Miss leaks district and closest to city council District number three Miss Brown's District current zoning is n1a proposed zoning is n1a CCO staff recommends approval of this petition and after staff's presentation Mr mcvan will have three minutes thank you yes petition 202495 is located along the north side of old BME Drive East of belme Drive in west of San Gabriel Avenue the site is approximately 6.03 5 acres and is undeveloped property is zoned in 1A neighborhood one the proposed zoning is n1a CCO neighborhood one Cottage Court overlay uh the the policy map from the 2040 conference plan recommends the neighborhood one place type and the N1 CCO district is consistent with the neighborhood one place type uh i' just like to provide a little background on the Cottage Court overlay District cot Court overlay district is an overlay zoning District that encompasses the existing underlying District um to allow for alternative development options it's permitted in the n1a through n1e districts Cottage Court overlay District allows for small lot residential development with a maximum of 30 buildings and is allowed to include single family detached um duplex and Triplex units the buildings are organized around a common open space that is a minimum of 3,000 ft or 500 sare ft per dwelling whichever is greater lot sizes and setbacks internal to the development's boundaries may be reduced from what is required by the underlying District in this case n1a in exchange for a community that is designed in as a cohesive ho and shared by residents this is a conventional resoning petition there's not an Associated site plan and would permit any use allowed in the n1a zoning District staff recommends approval of this petition n1a CCO District aligns with the policy map and the development pattern prescribed by The Neighborhood one place type and could facilitate the goal of providing a variety of housing types within an area that's predominantly um built up as single family dwellings happy to take any questions after Mr mcvan's presentation thank you Mr mcain thank you mayor Pro members of council members of zoning committee Keith mcain with more Van Allen representing or assisting uh trying trying advisers thatl see with me tonight is John Beal and and he's available to answer questions as Max mentioned and we do have a presentation as Max mentioned this site is uh just off of Old BME road which is just to the east of the Kataba River this site is very close to the Whitewater Center which is just located to our Southwest uh Mount Holly to the north as Max mentioned what the cottage overlay District allows is a a unique approach to developing the same type of residential units that are allowed by the n1a district just clustered around open space areas natural and new open space areas that are appropriate in this location take advantage of what the Whitewater Center has really started out here with outdoor activities open space areas the Whitewater Center is actually the land owner on both sides of this property uh so this hopefully allows again a unique opportunity to do a small small neighborhood cluster around open space areas in a cohesive manner as Max mentioned consistent with the place type and we're happy to answer questions thank you any comment I right comment Miss Brown yes so thank you so much Mr I greatly appreciate you Mar thank you for letting me speak I really appreciate that I was wanting to know we have questions all the time surrounding um the community outreach and maybe it's the staff uh question on what are we doing and I know we had this question earlier about how we were reaching Community cuz I when I see Zero it just makes me crinch and then somebody come back you know even though you're etj it's still closest to me so to get involved with that just what your Outreach look like and if you've done your you know your due diligence then we you know we move forward but when I see Zero it's kind of concerning to me it's a we we provided notices to anybody with property owners within 300 ft and neighborhood associations within a mile that are registered with the city uh this site as as you'll look at the map is kind of unique there's large Parcels around it so there's really not a lot of neighbors or Property Owners um but we reached out to the the folks Again Properties within 300 ft neighborhood Associates is within a mile we just did not have any anybody come to the community meeting we did have the owner of the Whitewater Center uh contact us prior to the community meeting and he spoke with the petitioner and and was comfortable with what's being requested okay so that was prior to the community meeting yeah he he called us before the community meeting we explained what we were doing so he didn't feel he needed to attend the community meeting and Mr Keith I've worked with you before I know I know you'll go and do your due diligence but I just want to state that for the record when we hear uh when we read and we see the zero um on the community involvement is kind of concerning to not just me but other staff members and um my colleagues have also addressed that but if you've done what you supposed to do then what more can we ask for right can can just not a lot of not a lot of folks out here at this moment go ahead M Johnson M Johnson I just want to add to that before you were on Council we've talked about I believe expanding the notification to notification I don't know if it's the radius or to renters or anything like that is it can we talk about that offline because you're right that we want to make sure that we're reaching the residents and those impacted um Keith and I had a Mr McBain and I had a conversation earlier of a pending petition and there's going to be a lot of renters that are affected so we want to make sure that we're that we're getting the information out as much as possible so I know we've talked about that in the past if we can revisit that as a council or with Mr petton that would be great would staff like to make a comment yes so the Udo goes a bit above and beyond what state law requires we notify everyone within all Property Owners within 300 ft um state law just requires a joining Property Owners to be notified okay so that could be something I mean I think we have Council have talked about that before maybe we take a look at that during the strategic planning session or something but if it's a priority for Council that is something that we should take a look at thank you thank you Miss Brown you had another comment I just want to pay back off of council member Johnson because I know I I hear I heard crystal clear that we were going to look at another process uh mayor Pro that we could try to reach other people cuz homeowners may be distant yes remote um not even in the area and the people that are being affected are the ones that are so how will we get to them since they're the ones inside or do they not matter yes and Miss Babson is probably taking a note because we have had this conversation actually in these meetings in in the public hearing meetings around notification and extension um I saw a little bird was speaking in your ear did you have updated information yes I'd also like to add that we are also on next door um MH I yeah yes you're on next door so cute yeah it's a app yeah know St okay I try to stay away from there yeah we had a we had several months ago asked about extending the notifications and we're now on next door but absolutely Miss Brown and M Johnson make great points and we we can follow up on that um as a as a action point from this meeting move to close second second there's a motion to close public hearing and second all in favor raise hands that is unanimous thank you m Mr mcain we will go on to agenda item number 29 petition number 2024 097 by Hendrick Automotive Group LLC the location is approximately 3.18 Acres located along the east side of Twin Lakes Parkway and the south side of Sam Roper Drive West of North Lake Auto Plaza Boulevard in the etj closest to County Commission district one miss Pal's District as well as city council District 4 Miss Johnson's District current zoning is ofc proposed zoning is ml1 Staff recommends the approval of this petition and after staff's presentation Mr Greg Harley will have three minutes thank you thank you this site is just over 3 acres outside of existing City Limits along the south side of CM rooper this is an area where we have a lot of exist existing office and Industrial developments as well as some planned future multif family uses to the West site is currently zoned off as Flex campus and the request is go is to go to manufacturing Logistics 1 and that request is consistent with the 2040 policy Maps recommendation for manufacturing Logistics on the site it it's a conventional petition so there's no Associated site plan staff does recommend approval this resoning would bring the s's entitlements in a two into alignment with the 2040 policy map and allows for zoning that's more consistent with the surrounding uses and zoning and this resoning does not about any sensitive land uses such as single family residential areas and I'll take any questions following petitioners comments thank you Mr heartley yes uh thank you mayor protim and council members zoning commission Greg Harley with Acro development services here on behalf of Hendrick Automotive Group we just want to align this a little better with some of the uses uh just to the we were here previously this year I believe resoning to do a collision center and then this uh facility that we're going to have here will actually support all of the dealerships in the area for the the Hendrick dealerships happy to answer any questions thank you any question or comment thank you second just one comment Miss Johnson yeah I've already met with the developer so um I don't have any questions and I look forward to supporting thank you thank you thank you have a motion close public Hearing in second all in favor raise hands that is unanimous we will move on to agenda item number 30 petition number 20241 100 by 4,000 Monroe LLC the location is approximately 9.89 2 Acres located along the south side of Monroe Road and West Side of North Wendover Road north of the norfol Southern River Railway in District One my district the current zoning is ml1 proposed zoning is IMU staff recommends approval of this petition and after staff's presentation Mr mcvan will join us again for and he'll have three minutes thank you thank you this site is just shy of 10 acres along Monroe and Windover roads it's on a corridor that has a mix of retail office vehicle repair facility uses and some residential areas that you see in North there in that aial existing zoning is manufacturing Logistics one and the request is to go to Innovation mixed use and that request is consistent with the 2040 policy Maps recommendation for Innovation mixed use on this site the requested IMU District would entitle the site for uses that are more compatible with the existing and future land use patterns in this area which would Envision mixed use urban areas and improved pedestrian design that integrate a bit better with the adjacent residential areas than the development under an one ml one zoning might allow for and staff recommends approval this petition it's a conventional petition with no Associated site plan and I'll take any questions following petitioner's comments thank you Mr MCB thank you mayor protm members of council members of Z commit Keith MCV with morvin Allen assistant Monroe 4,000 Monroe LLC Parkside partners with me tonight representing Parkside Partners is Gary Matthews as Holly mentioned just a slightly under 10 acre parcel look located at the intersection of Monroe Road near the intersection Monroe Road in Wendover it's a former office warehouse distribution site uh that Mr Matthews and his partners are currently in in the process of adaptly reusing uh they've been working on the site for the last two years they started the work under the ml1 zoning District or excuse me under the i1 zoning District uh which allowed a number of different uses other than industrial retail office personal service when the conversion of the i1 district to the ml1 district a lot of the previous uses that were allowed in the i1 district were no longer allowed uh and however Mr Matthews and his company was already well underway with the Adaptive reuse to a more neighborhood oriented types of uses retail restaurants personal service uses office the IMU now the IMU District allows those uses and facilitates the Adaptive reuse of of those buildings with those type of uses um the conversion in the Udo made them non-conforming legally non-conforming the rezoning to IMU then brings them back into compliance and allows the Adaptive reuse to continue and tenants to change over time I'm going to quickly turn it over to Mr Matthew so it'll explain a little bit about where he is where his company are in the Adaptive re reuse process uh good evening I know it's been a long one for you guys I'll talk quick um mayor protim uh Council staff appreciate y'all's time this evening um as Keith mentioned my firm purchased this property um kly I guess we closed on it late uh 2021 um went through uh the permitting um process and had it fully entitled uh to move forward with the renovations of January of 22 so we're coming up on three years uh we have completely renovated the buildings uh we tore down the back of a warehouse um we've made a a lot of uh Capital Improvements to functionally obsolete office space uh heavily amenitized the outside and have been successful in attracting uh 12 tenants and we have several others that we're close to making so we're just over 50% least uh we have a mix of uh professional office space Architects designers uh and a mix of neighborhood retail um so uh we're really happy with uh both the restaurant mix and uh the other anel retail that we've been able to attract here but uh once the Udo uh formally went into place we started having problems uh with medical tenants and other uh prospects that we had so that thank you we want to clean this up sir yes thank you your timer went off uh but don't worry I'll I'll have some questions for you thank you I'm going to open it up for questions and as it's in my district I'm going to kick it off um one of the questions I have is um I see that adjacent to this particular parcel there is some uh Innovation mix use that is surrounding it uh that's AB buding it is that correct um I'm looking at the map so there's Innovation mixed use on the policy map I think that's my yes yeah so nothing translated to Innovation mixed use with the adoption of the Udo but the policy map does call for much of these Parcels Southside and the West Side um to be Innovation mixed use on the policy map and that that place type um is there in place so although there's not IMU on the ground in terms of zoning the policy map does support overall the intent of IMU and and that's why I was asking the question because I haven't heard of uh a lot of the IMU come across along this Monroe Road Corridor and was surprised to see this but this is really the alignment of the policy map so this is one of the first ones that I'm seeing come across our desk uh from an IMU use and um I think it's also an appropriate use for that Corridor given the mix of um industry that is along the the Monroe Road Windover Corridor as well I did have a question about I see you had a couple people at the community meeting was there any um any push back or any concerns that were raised by the community uh not really I think there was a lot of questions about what was happening it's called Oakhurst commment so some of the folks that are actually in the Oakhurst neighborhood came to the meeting and wanted to understand what was what was the Adaptive reuse what kind of uses I think everybody was pleased to see the new energy the new investment the new tenants that actually support the neighborhoods in the area so it was a good community meeting we had not a lot of people but they had good questions and I think they they felt satisfied with what was was being proposed okay excellent that's good to hear um any additional questions or comments move to close second all right there's a motion to close public Hearing in second all in favor raise hands any oppose that is unanimous thank you may we will move on to our final agenda item this evening number 31 uh petition number 2024 101 EB Arrow Crystal real estate the location is approximately 20.5 6 Acres located along the east side of JW Clay Boulevard both the North and South sides of Waters Edge Village Drive and west of JM Kings Drive in District 4 Miss Johnson's District the current zoning is mud o proposed zoning is mud OA staff recommends approval of this petition and can I ask is Miss Pam ISAC excellent Miss Pam isacs is in attendance and she is against this petition so after staff's presentation the petitioner um Brett seart will have 10 minutes Miss Isaac will have 10 minutes and then we'll have a two-minute rebuttal period thank you great thank you uh this petition is just under 20 uh 21 Acres it is in the University City area on JW Clay Boulevard uh currently zoned mud o and again proposing a site plan amendment to that previously approved uh resoning U that resoning was approved in uh 2019 it was petition 2018-11 just to go back adopted Place type for this entire area uh is for a regional Activity Center Place type one of our most uh intense activity centers that we've got on the policy map in terms of uh uses and intended outcomes again this site was rezoned in 2019 for up to about 260,000 square fet of commercial and office 40,000 square ft of uh Civic uses which included the library uh and 600 residential units uh the proposal this evening is to uh take that previously approved rezoning back in 2019 and allow a conversion r right of some of the uh office and Commercial square footage uh to allow up to 303 additional residential units that would take the total up to about 900 uh residential units uh that commercial and and office square footage conversion rate would be uh one additional unit allowed per 760 Square ft uh of those non-residential uses so that ends up being around 230,000 Square ft out of the initial 260 so that would still leave us with 30,000 uh remaining square feet for office and Retail uses um still a lot of the notes about ground floor retail uses in some of those uh development areas as well uh so again this is just providing some flexibility uh to take that unused office and commercial space and convert it into residential I know there's U Been some challenges with commercial and office development uh and again this would allow some of that additional square footage to be freed up for uh more of that demand to be met on the residential side so uh with that staff does recommend approval of the petition uh there are uh I don't believe there are any outstanding issues uh it is consistent with the regional Activity Center Place type it would uh still allow again for the hotel use it would still allow for up to uh the 260,000 Square ft is still possible uh but as they potentially continue to convert some of that square footage to residential it could get down all the way to about 30,000 ft² left over which still is a reasonable amount uh with within that Activity Center given some of the other existing uses uh that are currently out there so again staff does recommend approval and we'll take any questions following uh presentation by the petitioner and public thank you thank you Mr SE what you have 10 minutes thank you good evening uh mayor Madam ptim members of council zoning committee Brett seart landscape architect on behalf of Land Design uh assisting the partitioner EBA Crystal real estate on this petition uh I'll keep it brief Dave outlined uh the whole goal of this is to add conversion rights for residential uh from commercial uses as a lot of us aware uh the market for our office is a little hard right now um so giving the petitioner some flexibility adding more uh density and some more use to the overall development is the whole goal so uh short and sweet I have nothing further to add um I can turn it over to miss P thank you Miss Isaac will you step up and you have 10 minutes think I'll need 10 minutes because I need a nap um it's past my bedtime sorry I think we share your sentiment um I live in Lakeshore Village Condominiums it's right across the lake from this development and um most of us many of us from um the the complex attended the um uh community meeting initially in 19 when they when they uh um tore down all the retail and and put up the apartment complexes um one of the reasons that I live there and one of the reasons that we love it there is it is such a walkable Community I think it's probably one of the earliest uh walkable Suburban communities in in in the in town um um in the past we've had within this same University Place area a Furniture Store many clothing stores shoe stores dry cleaners office um Depot um a a cinema grocery store a drugstore um now so my complaint with this change CH this proposed change is not entirely because of this specific plot but because of the cumulative effect of what's happening is that uh everything that seems to be zoned multifam multi-use ends up being all all apartments okay so we have two walk in my walking area we have two retail areas one of them was where the apartments are now and one of them was at the cold Shopping Center on North Trion Street well Kohl's has been re rezoned and pretty soon it will be um you know the retail will go away and it will be all apartment complexes now there is they say that they're going to maintain the food line and it will still be there in the basement of the apartment complex but um what what was a tremendously walkable um neighborhood is becoming less less walkable um I don't have any complaint about the use of the office building going away because I know there's no demand for offices anymore um that was inevitable but this building was um I mean this this complex was presented to us as live work play you know full community you know you never have to leave home you know and I understand now that it's not a workplace anymore it's live and play but with the with the dimunation of the commercial the retail there's a lot less play and a lot more live um so it looks to us like this is a gigantic apartment complex you can call it an activity center but it looks like a g gigantic apartment complex with a library I don't whoops let's let's not minimize that the best thing ever um is this library was going to be a beautiful um mirrored glass uh glass building overlooking the lake and now it's kind of been shoved back into the interior and I think it's going to be overlooking a commercial building right from the glass front there but at any rate we're very happy to have that that Library there um but the uh elimination of the commercial is really uh I mean the the retail is really alarming to me um I moved to within a block of the Blue Line because I knew I was going to need it I have a medical condition I'm not going to be driving I need to be able to walk there or get a train and go there if you've ever taken the blue line from the University to downtown you'll realize it's really a great place to go to it's a it's a great way to go to bars and restaurants um if you need to go to a grocery store or a drugstore or a dry cleaner or a hairdresser it's not a very great place cuz they're not on the blue line what's on the blue line is Apartments so it's a great way to go from apartment to to apartment or to go out at night and not have to drive home not have to get an Uber when you're when you need to go home but um as far as being useful to those of us who need public transit to have live to go about ordinary life um it's not being very useful to me I love coming downtown you know I take I take the train but I always get on the train and University and go all the way downtown because there's nothing in between um it it's the bigger picture that is concerning to me uh I know that the council has or the city has the has some um very specific goals about walkability and it it's not happening it's it's going backwards in our neighborhood um it's coming Let's Walk we're going to have great sidewalks on JW Clay we've got a huge project going on we're going to have 8ot wide sidewalks to go to the brewery or to the Sam's Club but um as far as walkability it's it's it's becoming less and less that's my concern and um you have a little over 3 minutes left well I think I I think I've I've said it all um okay oh right uh I thought thought that perhaps you might have been under a misconception that this was going to help with our um affordable you know I know we have a tremendous need for affordable housing but these are not affordable houses these are these are not this is not this this is not that they're H they're homes but they're not family homes there's no Park there's no playground the green space that's delineated there is the sidewalk that runs along the edge of the lake which is great to walk around but it's called a park but that's not a park well thank you for allowing me to speak thank you you have uh two minutes for a rebuttal Mr see yeah I don't want to have so much of a bottle other than uh we are committing a 10,000 minimum square foot commercial space up to 30,000 um if we were to convert to residential not saying it's actually going to happen but uh it does give us a flexibility um as far as the walkability component understand walking two amenities the library is a absolutely beautiful building and will be a huge amenity to this whole development um that's yeah novel University Place phase one was done a tremendous job on the detail adds greatly to the architecture the space of the the development overall so he the concern um but I think the overall development itself is adding a great deal uh to this space and making it a little bit more walkable bringing people in to allow for those amenities to come thank you okay thank you Miss Johnson and then we'll have missme thank you for the presentation uh Brett and also miss Isa thank you for for speaking up um Brett if you could schedule a meeting with me so I can get some more details regarding this petition that would be great okay um I do have some questions I heard you say did you say 10,000 or 30,000 uh square feet of commercial space committed to a minimum 10,000 square F feet up to 30,000 is the max and where exactly is this development is it right at the lake is it on the lake or it's on the lake yeah the whole development's on the lake so novel University places the orange buildings on the screen uh that was phase one that's been delivered speak up just a little I'm sorry go ahead uh novel University Place phase one is the orange buildings on the screen that was one so instead of commercial you're proposing more residential that's correct Miss Isaac I want to thank you for speaking up because you know when I as the council member kind of push back on so many multif family I have this false reputation of being um anti-development but it's not that I listen to the residence I hear you yeah yeah so um yeah I I I look forward to to further discussion Brett okay thank you Miss Isaac thank you thank you Miss air yes uh thank you Miss Anderson uh thank you Miss ISAC uh for staying till the end this is our last hearing and you made it thank you uh but I agree with uh Miss ISAC this is one of the most walkable communities in the university area one of our most walkable Suburban areas um in fact this is where our our family walks pretty much at least three four times a week and I agree with you um six seven years ago there was all this shopping retail shoe store restaurants uh all of that is going away and now we are taking that away and converting it into multifam uh there is already multif family right there which is very luxury and uh it's a very luxury luxury housing apartments and I I just and everywhere we see we see luxury of uh Apartments popping up um and it concerns me and I agree that we are taking away some of this retail commercial options and putting multif family everywhere um and I you know in this current state I cannot support it um we really need to take a look at this very closely um you know when we developed when we had this 2040 plan we had this 10minute neighborhood and that included retail commercial space but now if you're all taking that away and just converting it into multifam it looks more like residential than than an activity center uh I understand that there is some um retail further up where they have uh Tropical Cafe and few other restaurants but that's just um Drop in the Ocean I mean you're taking away the entire strip mall of all the retail and commercial space I have a difficult time supporting this um I see I don't quite understand how staff came to how staff arrived at a decision of supporting it it it says it's inconsistent uh so if you can just Mr Patton if you can talk about how this overall meets our 10-minute neighborhood uh criteria and how it overall fits into the vision for the activity center sure U and it is it is consistent with the activity center uh so we do have that uh stated up on the I don't know if the staff analysis States it differently but it it is consistent with the regional activity center but one of the things we do look at and and it is it is a concern of ours to to a degree of seeing activity centers get oversaturated with residential there is still a lot of opportunity for uh additional commercial space within the activity center uh there is some underutilized land that could get potentially redeveloped so as we look at activity centers we we don't always tend to focus on the parcel itself that's coming in for resona we do have to kind of look at it from a bit of a macro level as well uh and so in this case we do see that there could be some future opportunity again for more infill uh that could serve more of a retail so as other folks come in and want to do uh some of these conversions of let's say one of the older uh retail spaces we become more scrutinous with each time we get a project in the area uh because we do have to maintain a balance of uses within those activity centers so this one you know does like said take some of that additional U commercial space that they had approved several years ago uh and that could be delivered as residential instead of that commercial uh and we will continue to have to look at that Regional Activity Center in this area to say if somebody comes back in like like I mentioned with a proposal to let's say convert one of the large big boxes across the street to all multif family that's going to you know continue to cuse some scrutiny on our side to to then find that balance of having a healthy mix of uses that can support the goals of the comp plan so we we do look at it on a petition by petition level but we also have to look at it on a little bit of a macro level uh within that entire Activity Center which there still are commercial uses and there still are future opportunities for that type of infill development so Mr Patton uh I know you had to look at it at the macro level um but are you betting on future developments to convert it into commercial spaces is that what you're betting on we're not betting on that we do still see that there are commercial and non-residential opportunities in the activity center uh you know there are still some of those uses on the other side of of the lake you do have some of that on the other side of JW Clay uh you know we certainly appreciate the incorporation of some potential ground floor activation within this project up to 10,000 square ft of that um being that kind of storefront uh Street front kind of res uh retail opportunity uh so we're not necessarily banking on it we do still feel like there's a decent balance within that activity center but we do know over time those uses do change and transition and and just like we're seeing uh you know some of these additional out Parcels that are on WT Harris that we know are looking at potentially rezoning and redeveloping uh you know that's when we start to really kind of dig in to see what other mix of uses we can get uh as each project comes in so we felt this still provided a reasonable balance within their own project boundaries but uh there's still you know opportunities for that to to continue to occur and have that Regional Activity Center support uh you know a healthy mix of residential and non-residential uh uses there yeah I mean I struggle with this one maybe I can have a conversation with you offline because at what point um do we balance it right at what point do we say uh converting commercial retail space into residential would be okay at what point right uh what is that saturation that we are looking at and I know it's very difficult because ultimately the market drives uh development and I I get that uh but at some point I guess because this is this is one of our activity centers in the city we got to look at that what is the right balance and uh I'll talk with you offline um what is what does that balance look like yeah and that's something that we're not just looking at here it it is something we're seeing in all of our activity centers and it is causing a little bit of of concern for us at a staff level and we do have some uh scheduled conversations coming up between uh staffs just inter departmentally about what is that right balance CU I don't know if we've really said is it a 50/50 split is it 6040 uh so we need to work on that side as well because that will give us a little bit more opportunity when we get these types of petitions to say look this activity center is at 80% residential we're not going to really get more residential here we don't want to see that uh so that's some stuff that we still need to work on as part of you know trying to further develop tment and neighborhoods and these activity centers so it is something that's on our radar as well but be happy to talk to you more about it yeah I think that's something that Council needs to get involved in you know in terms of the balance ultimately we are going to the market is going to respond to the demands uh Market demands but uh I think as as Council we are creating this 10minute neighborhood concept and we need to have we need to have a discussion on that PO policy discussion on what's that balance look like uh and and depending on the area and the needs for retail for grocery stores it could change so I'm I'm I'm hoping we'll we will dive into that as part of our uh neighborhood planning not neighborhood planning uh what is that yeah the community area planning the yeah the community area planning exercise uh that we are going through uh but yep uh that's all I have and um I look forward to um hearing from district council member on this as to if there would be any change to this thank you we have Miss Brown and then Miss Johnson yeah so real quick um thank you so muchir protim and thank you for staying Miss Isaac I was listening to my colleague uh ashir here your voice is being heard I I just want you to know that don't think that when you come that you're talking and it's falling on De ears it definitely is not falling on De ears we have to work with the district rep because uh our at large members have the whole city of Charlotte then you have the seven district reps that deal with each individual District so we call the district rep the expert you know they do the expert work they out there on the ground doing all the work putting everything together but when you come and you're by yourself don't think that we're not hearing what you're saying and some of this information this information we've already had to process before I just want to say thank you for coming out and that we hear you and that we look forward to working with the district rep to make sure that your concerns are met that we can come together on Common Ground so that we could work together so that everybody won't be satisfied but we can move together and work in harmony that's what I'm trying to say okay so thank you so much for coming out and staying with us all night cuz it's it's getting late but we do appreciate you but more importantly we hear you okay thank you so much Miss jnon and last thing I know we're all ready to go but um you talked about activity centers I just want to lift this area up this is a and and I know I'm biased but this is a very unique area in the city this is the you know the the downtown of of the University City area and even like during Co this is one of the busiest spots and it's just a beautiful unique area area so I would just ask that City staff consider that as as we're making decisions and and the market you know the demand does Drive the market however Council can incorporate a vision and some and some um in in just some direction I think and this is an opportunity I think that's a good conversation we're looking forward to have as well and we do have a lot of UNCC alums including myself that know this place far too well and and are very familiar with and spend a lot of time here and uh so yeah we're we're kind of thoughtful about what what goes on as well so excuse me I'm sorry thank you as you have another comment yeah so this I noticed this is 2056 Acres so even though they're only changing a piece of the puzzle right they still have to go through the entire resoning okay yeah cuz the plan covers the entire project that they have so U we don't just want to take you know one piece and just do an amendment to you know this here so it's just the notes all still are associated with the plan we don't want to lose any of the other commitments so it's just a change to uh the conversion rights of the entire plan and and lastly uh I have brought this up several times with the University City Partners the lake is such an asset uh to our community and I know we have seen uh some improvement to the lake uh but our are there any Community benefits I was going through the notes I didn't see any to preserve uh uh the lake that we have and um there are a lot of there is a long laundry list that the university partner has in terms of preserving the lake um have do we have any Community benefits from this resoning petition towards improving that uh not specifically to the lake itself there was the commitment for you know the the trail area and some of that plaz an open space in the library as a Civic use but the the lake itself no was just the the frontages that they had um you know control of of development over so I would like to see a community benefit because this development will directly benefit from this Lake that's an asset to actually have Community benefit where we can use some of the funds to clean up the lake that we have and because you're all going to benefit from it so i' would like to see some community benefit around that being incorporated as part of this resoning but that's all I have if there are no additional questions move to close second thank you thank you um thank you and Miss Isaac thank you for burning the midnight oil and staying with us um I I would just encourage of course as my colleagues have said to work with the district rep but also the representation from the community to get to a level of specificity as it relates to commity Community benefits let's hear from the community what they would actually like to see and of course work with my colleague the district rep throughout that process all in favor to close public hearing raise hands that is unanimous is there a motion to close adjourn second meaning okay all in favor go home thank you have a wonderful evening night thank you sir [Music] for e