Norfolk City Council Formal Session - February 11, 2025
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So is now in session. Please
stand for a moment of silence and please remain standing for
the Pledge of allegiance to our flag. I pledge allegiance
to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic
for which it stands, one nation under God and individual with
liberty and justice for all. Thank you, sir. Mr. Clark , please call the roll. Mr.
Clanton, present. Mrs. Doyle, Mrs. Johnson, here, Mr. McGee,
here, Mr. Page, Mr. Smegel, Mr. Thomas, Dr. Alexander. The
motion is to dispense with the reading of the minutes of our
previous meeting. Mr. Clanton. Mrs. Doyle, Mrs. Johnson, Mr.
McGee, Mr. Page, Mr. Spiegel, Mr. Thomas, Dr. Alexander, Mr.
Clerk, please read the resolution certifying the closed
meeting, a resolution certifying a closed meeting of the Council
of the City of Norfolk in accordance with the provisions
of the Virginia Freedom of Information Act. Adopt the
resolution, Mr. Clanton. Hi, Mrs. Doyle. Mrs. Johnson, Mr.
McGee, Mr. Page, Mr. Smegel, Mr. Thomas, Doctor Alexander.
Uh, good evening and welcome to the Norfolk City council
chamber tonight. We'll first take up the consent agenda which
will be voted in a block. If any member of the council or
the public wishes to discuss the item, it will be removed
from the consent agenda and considered separately. Follow
Nicholson agenda we'll take up regular agenda items to
address the council on an agenda item or new business. You should
have registered you should have registered with the clerk prior
to 3 p.m. when your name is called, please come to the
podium, state your name, your home address, and please limit
your comments to 3 minutes. Mr. Clerk, uh, the consent
agenda will be, will be considered in a block except
C4 and C5. We will consider them separately. And C 13 and C13
will be considered separately. And C 1213 13 can stay and 12
will be removed and considered separately. Are there any more?
45, and approve the consent agenda and dispense with the
charter requirement for reading the ordinances twice and adopt
with the effective dates with the exception of C4, C5, and
C12. Mr. Clanton. Mrs. Doyle, Mrs. Johnson. Hi, Mr. McGee.
Hi, Mr. Page. All right, Mr. Smeagle, Mr. Thomas, Dr.
Alexander. All right, Mr. Clerk, C4. Of an ordinance granting a
conditional use permit to authorize a short-term rental
unit homestay on property located at 801 Colonial Avenue.
Thank you, uh, uh, Walter. Please Good evening. He My name
is uh Doctor Walter Ott. I'm a resident of the 700
block of Colonial Avenue. I've been a long term resident, uh,
and property owner in Ghent of 31 years. I voiced my
opposition to the proposed conditional use permit for the
short term rental and reduced required parking for 801
Colonial Avenue. Uh, my points are inconsistent use property
is a single family home. With no dedicated off street crop, uh,
parking, the request is dependent on use of city streets
for parking. Uh, there are a large number of short term
rentals that are not being monitored and there's a lack of
policing of those short term rentals, uh, specifically who
actually enforces the length of the stays, the number of
the guests, and the number of vehicles. There are already two
non-registered short term rentals on the 700 block of
Colonial Avenue that are causing issues to the residents. Those
houses are 713 and 7:17 Colonial Avenue. Plus there's another
1, 511 Bossavan Avenue. These are large single family homes
being split up into Baltimore units, plus there are several
others within several several blocks. At least one of these
properties puts parking cones on the street prior to people
checking in, preventing residents from parking on the
street. The 800 block of Colonial Avenue has a 16 unit
apartment building, 815 Colonial Avenue. The 5 blocks within
300 ft of the proposed property already have significant parking
constraints, specifically as of 000 excuse me, 2100 9 o'clock
last night, the 700, 800, and 900 blocks have approximately
16 parking spots each. At 9 o'clock last night on the
900 block 14 of those 16 spots were used 87%, 800 block 14
of 16, 87%, 700 block 11 of 16, 75%. The 500 block of Red
Gate Avenue, 18 out of 20, 90% use. 4 out of 7 on Raleigh for
the 500 block 57% use. In addition, residents in Stockley
Gardens. During periods of flooding and heavy rains, move
their cars from Stockley Garden to the upper portions of the
500 block of Bossavan, Redgate, and Raleigh plus Colonial
Avenue. And then in addition, um. If this proposal is being
considered for approval, uh, why doesn't the proposal, uh,
include the, uh, requesting actually, uh, signing an
agreement with either the, uh. Um, Olef, uh, Shalom Temple
or either Ghent United Methodist Church and use, uh, that
off-street parking rather than adding to the congesting on, uh,
Colonial Avenue. Uh, those are my, uh, my concerns and, uh, I
appreciate your consideration. Thank you so much. Thank you
Jason Elman. Good evening members of the
council. I'm happy to, uh, Jason Edelman, 801 Colonial Avenue.
I'm the applicant. Happy to address the concerns raised
by Walt, um. It sounds like this is as much uh general
concern with um short term rentals than it is with our
rentals specifically and I would like to address concerns uh
primarily about parking um and compliance uh as pertains to
our rental so. For parking, um. Many of our guests arrived
by Uber, so I'm gonna back up. Last night specifically, there
was nobody. At our rental, um, and there hasn't been for
a little while, so I will acknowledge there may be parking
problems in this area, um, I think that's uh. A more
general, a general concern. Many of our guests arrived by
Uber. Those that do uh or those that bring their own vehicles
do so because they're often not at the rental so they need
that mobility, uh, they don't have an alternative and we
instruct specifically our customers to uh park on Raleigh,
uh, which has the greatest availability of parking out of
consideration for our neighbors. 6 years ago when we uh. Began
the short term rental we did sign an agreement with Ghent
United Methodist Church um to add parking spaces to meet the
parking requirement. They were happy to. Uh To agree to that,
um, we actually sit in our dining room and watch. Uh, the
parking situation, traffic situation, um, and part of,
uh, part of the reason for that is to make sure that, um,
everybody has parking. We haven't personally seen a
problem there, uh, overnight, but I will acknowledge that
Colonial Avenue itself is tight, which is why we instruct our
customers specifically. Um, not to park there, so. We
personally greet and welcome guests and keep them appraised
in neighborhood issues. I'm happy to emphasize this, um.
With, since this is the only concern I've heard from the
neighborhood about this rental, we're happy to address it to
the extent that we can, um. Yeah, thanks for your. Uh,
consideration and. I hope that's addressed any concerns that
were raised. Thank you. Mr. Bull dispense with the charter
requirement for reading the ordinance twice and adopt with
the effective date. Mr. Clanton. Hi, Mrs. Doyle, Mrs. Johnson,
Mr. McGee, Mr. Page, Mr. Smegel, Mr. Thomas, Doctor Alexander.
Mr. Clark C5 C5 is an ordinance granting a conditional use
permit to authorize a short-term rental unit of vacation rental
on property located at 6227 Edward Street. I, I don't have
anyone here to speak. Um, Mr. Clerk, call the roll. Dispensed
with the charter requirement for reading the ordinance twice
and adoptment the effective date. Mr. Clanton, hey. Mrs.
Doyle Mrs. Johnson. Mr. McGee, Mr. Page, Mr. Smegel, Mr.
Thomas, Dr. Alexander. Mr. Clerk, C12 C12 is an ordinance
granted conditional use permits to authorize the operation of
a banquet hall with the sale of alcoholic beverages for
on-premises consumption, named for creatives on property
located at 255 Granby Street. Clerk, I move to continue
generally. Move is to generally. Mr. Clinton. To continue
generally OK. motion is to continue
generally. Mr. Clanton. OK. Mrs . Doyle. Hi. Mrs. Johnson, Mr.
McGee, Mr. Page, Mr. Smegel. Hi, Mr. Thomas, Dr. Alexander.
Hi. Mr. Clark, R1 R1 is a resolution to
initiate the process of vacating a 50-foot wide public right
of way dedication existing on a certain portion of city
property located at 253 Grace Street. Adopt the resolution,
Mr. Clanton. Hi. Mrs. Doyle, I. Mrs. Johnson, Mr. McGee.
Hi Mr. Page, Mr. Smeagle, Mr. Thomas, Dr. Alexander. Hi Clerk,
R2. R2 is an Orange council. The city council meeting on
Tuesday, April 22, 2025 at 3:30 p.m. and schedule a city council
meeting on Tuesday, April 29th at 2 April 29, 2025 at 3:30 p.m.
Dispense with the charter requirement for reading the
ordinance twice and adopt with the effective date. Mr. Clanton.
Hi, Mrs. Doyle. Hi, Mrs. Johnson. Hi, Mr. McGee. Hi Mr.
Page, Mr. Smegel. Mr. Thomas, Dr. Alexander. R R3 is an
ordinance to amend the Norfolk City Council Rules of Procedure.
Section 51A regarding order of business for council meetings.
Section 5-2 regarding the consent agenda. Section 5-3
regarding public comment. And Section 44A5B rules regarding
rules of conduct. Thank you, Mr. Barrett Hicks. Even the mayor council, uh. My
question on uh this particular ordinance or R2 is this. Um I,
I tried to open up to see what it actually was addressing as
far as the changes that that are going to take place, and
I, I would love for someone to share with me and the
audience as to the changes that are in place. Love to do it,
Mr. Piso. Uh, yes, there are, um, two, changes, Mr. Hicks,
um, the, uh, comment period, um, for agenda items, the
R items and the consented agenda items, which is all that we
have on the agenda tonight. Is being moved up to the front
of the meeting, and anybody who wants to address any of
those items will have the 3 minutes at the beginning of
the meeting for those items. PH items will stay coincident
with the pH item, no change there, and new business will
be held on the first meeting of each month. Those are the
two changes. So will there be any change to how many items
that you can address if, say, say if there's 5 or 6 different
items, can you still address each one of them for for the
the period of 3 minutes? Yes. So I, I, I only ask that because
I've been told something different at the last minute,
but that that's, that's. Was uh a dear to me to be able to
if the rules say that we can I expect to be able to do that.
Um, and I, I just like to know the roofs up front, so thank
you, Mr. Thank you, Mr. Bull. This since with the charter
requirement for reading the ordinance twice in a dot with
the effective date, Mr. Clanton. Hi, Mrs. Doyle, Mrs. Johnson,
Mr. McGee, Mr. Page, thanks for that, uh. Uh, clearing up
the information there. It's, it's definitely an eye for me
now. Mr. Smegel, Mr. Thomas, Dr. Alexander, R 4 R 4 is a
resolution appointing 6 members to 2 commissions, 2 boards,
and 1 authority for certain terms. Adopt the resolution,
Mr. Clanton. Hi, Mrs. Doyle. Hi, Mrs. Johnson. I, Mr. McGee.
Hi, Mr. Page, Mr. Smegel. Hi, Mr. Thomas, Dr. Alexander. Mr.
Clark, do you have another? That's all I have to tell you.
New business. The first speaker is Elena Daraya. Followed by
Susan Mausi. Good evening. Elenadia 1720
Gallery Avenue. Um, Thank you, uh, Doctor Cooper Alexander,
uh, for allowing me to speak, and I want to give a special
thank you to Councilwoman Johnson for your sustained
endorsement and support for me as a commissioner with the
Bicycle Pedestrian and Active Transportation Commission. Um,
I am a pedestrian, so I tend to be more towards the
pedestrian side of the commission. Uh, I walk my dog
in the morning. I walk 7 days a week. Uh, I walk and I see
a lot of things going on throughout in terms of
pedestrians mostly, and I'm very concerned and I echo what uh
Michael Myers mentioned last week about, uh, asking for you
all to support a position for a pedestrian. And bicycle uh
coordinator for the city of Norfolk. uh I was on the
commission when we actually asked for that before, so I
hope that you all will consider that when it comes up uh
associated with that as well would be the um. Appointment
for a uh well not really an appointment but the Norfolk
Public schools getting the grant again for the safe routes to
school program which we have been without for the past
4 years and I hope that you all will uh pay attention to
that when it comes across and support that as well um there
are a lot of things that we wanna do with the commission.
One of the things that we would like to do is, um, maybe, uh,
join forces with our sister city Portsmouth who has a very nice,
uh. Uh, nonprofit that supports them in teaching children about,
um, safety, pedestrian bicycle safety and with those two
positions I'm sure we would be able to get a coordination
in that also, um. I've had to many times just as an individual
uh look at and report about different things that are going
on specifically in my neighborhood Lindenwood
Elementary School, specifically they have not had a crossing
guard uh on Linwood on Lindenwood Avenue since uh
September of 2023. Um, and the crossing guard that they had
there that had been there for years has passed away, so I'm
not sure if they've gotten replacement because there is
a there is a, um, a deficit of crossing guards, and I would
like for those two positions would also be able to work with
the police department because they're in charge of it. So,
um, I thank you for your time and I hope that you will support
these two initiatives as if they come across. You. Its
Tussick followed by Jay Bone. I got to go to do Mars. That's
my little treat before I come and see you lovely people. Happy
Valentine's Day. I gave you the packet because there's just
a lot of emotion in these pages, and I'm not very smart when
it comes to building a house and ripping one down and doing
the claim. I am seeing a lawyer tomorrow and I just want you
to know I'm not trying to delay the rebuilding of my house.
It's just that the, uh, house at 8214 that burnt. Was financed
through caliber. Then we've been paid. We're not late in our
mortgage and went to new res and then they send me some jack
leg check and said, Hey, we're, we're, we're tempted to collect
a debt. I said, Who are you now? I'm not giving you my
money. I'm gonna rebuild the house with, so there's a lot of
corruption. And, um, and building now Mr. Winslow,
I think you know him, he's the code guy. He's been nice on
the phone and he knows that I've been sick and I just got
out of the hospital with a. When I punched the window and
I got a staph infection, so I've been real sick. So I can't
go back in that house and do like I've done the structure.
And what it's a total loss everything in it, but I have
to go through each room with somebody probably next week
because the antibiotics will be should be good to to replace
that and then I'm gonna rip it down and I'm building a new
house, um, but I just don't want to be any more uh
tomfoolery over there. I don't want anybody on my yard. I had
to call and, uh, the, the, the state claim it's just been
Allstate has been, I'm not in good hands with them, and once
I'm done with all this I'm getting a new insurance but.
There's a lot of corruption and people think I'm stupid.
I'm a little off. I take meds, but I am not stupid and I would
never sign a check over somebody I don't know. There's a lot of
corruption and we need to make sure that vulnerable people
that they think I am, I'm not, but they think I am because
I'm, I've got the label, but I'm not stupid. I, I will not
sign a check till I see a lawyer has looked it over. I will not
do anything. It's on a freeze, and I've been working with the
code guy Mr. Winslow, and so I want the attorneys on the
board to know I like Norfolk. I was born here. I want our
rec centers to be like in Virginia Beach. I think with
all this beautiful growth with the uh ships coming in and we're
gonna be able to have more tax base locality maybe the I don't
know if y'all are doing the casino or whatever are y'all
doing that? All that's gonna help us help our kids in
affordable housing, but my house I'm coming back. OK, I don't
want to talk about everything in this. There's enough there
to to follow, but everybody got one of these, right? And
um there's some things I don't understand so I don't know who
to go to for that uh my ward person is that you? In 6 So if
I ever had a question, how would I come to you? Just call. I'll
put it in my car. Yes, sir. I gotta, I gotta leave because
I'm living in Elizabeth City, and I just, I'm sorry that this
happened. Thank you all for being supportive. Happy
Valentine's Day. Be nice to your wives or you're gonna have
this, Ms. Mausa, go this way. Give it to the clerk. Give it,
give it to the clerk. No, no, no, here you, there's your card.
I don't need to give you this. Give it to Mr. uh, Ms. Give
it to. I think she's in 7s at Wesley. OK, thank you, Mr. uh,
uh, uh, Mr. Clanton's actually your council super award to
you. I don't have any cars up here, not up. Well, let me see.
You a pretty long one. Mhm . I So I'm Yeah, right, right,
uh, Miss, Miss J Bowen, OK, I just don't want you to look
like you're misrepresenting. That one before we close up.
Hello, good evening. Uh, I would like to ask people that are
representing and supporting Norfolk Free Policy Council
to please stand. My name is Jay Boone. I am here on behalf
of the Norfolk Food Policy Council, and I represent Ward
4. I'm here to address a critical issue food insecurity
in our city. Norfolk leads Hampton Roads and food
insecurity. In 2022, data showed that 13.2% of Norfolk residents
struggled with food access more than any other, uh, uh, any
other city in the region. Our poverty rate stood at 19.7%
and 1 in 6 children in Norfolk faced hunger. These numbers
represent real families, real children, real struggles that
are happening in our own backyard. After hearing the
cries of Norfolk residents facing food insecurity, the
city of Norfolk sent out a call to local organizations and
community members to step up and help find solutions. The
nutrition equity budget of $287,000 was included in the
fiscal year 2022 budget as a commitment to address this
crisis. This was a promise to the people of Norfolk and a
recognition that food insecurity is an economic and public health
issue that requires an urgent action. Norfolk Food Policy
Council answered that call. We have spent those years
engaging with the community, gathering data, and building
a plan that not only improves food access but in but creates a
sustainable equitable food economy. Norfolk currently has
no commission or board dedicated specifically to food access,
so we stepped up to fill that gap. We have done the work.
And we have done and we have the data and we have
partnerships and solutions and yet nearly 3 years later this
funding remains locked away with while food insecurity
continues to rise. Our request today is simple release the
nutrition equity budget and allow Norfolk Food Policy
Council to establish a grant process that will empower local
organizations to implement the programs needed to make real
change. This is not about food. This is about ensuring that
every resident, regardless of income or zip code have access
to fresh, healthy food. It's about economics uh opportunity
about supporting local businesses and about keeping
the promise made to the people of Norfolk. The residents spoke,
you listened. Now it's time to act. Let's move forward
together and make food sovereignty a reality. We we
look forward to you calling us. Thank you. Adam Lavelle
Adam Adam Lavelle. Of divine Good evening, good evening.
I'm Artha Devine, 2700 block of Colchester Crescent. And I'm
here tonight to bring to the city council's attention my
request for a recommendation to remove a member. Of the
3 person electoral board for the city of Norfolk. My personal
observation goes back to the date, the board member. Launched
a partisan attack on another electoral board member. On the
17th of October 2023 and as described in my letter that
I've already handed out. Uh, when I first brought this issue
to the electoral board and the Norfolk registrar. I did not
ask for it, but I did receive an apology from the board
member. For doing what the board member acknowledged was wrong.
And uh a promise also not to do anything like this again. With
the agreement to make this a teachable moment. And I accepted
that and hope that it would change. Now to this day. There
has been no moments of teaching about the unacceptable behavior
from The 17th of October, and furthermore, there has been
more of the same partisan attacks and behavior. That was
repeated on the 5th of November, election day. By the same board
member and that makes the member's apology null and void.
And the behavior of this electoral board member is
a cancer that must be removed. And to reduce further spread,
it should be specifically highlighted. In the future
training of election officers, of which I am one of the
election officers for the city of Norfolk, and to demonstrate
what a violation of our nonpartisan policy is. Now the
behavior I have presented to you is destructive and
counterproductive to the good reputation of the city of
Norfolk. And it is injurious to all citizens of Norfolk who
expect their election officers to perform with integrity please
for the sake of the citizens of Norfolk, search this matter
out interview all the names that I've made available to
you, and come up with a recommendation I pray. thank
you. Mr. Devine, for, for your information, the electoral board
members are not appointed by the Norfolk City council. The
judges appoint uh the electoral board members, but thank you
for the information, sir. I ask for a recommendation to
remove. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Mr. Barrett Hicks. Followed
by Woodrow W. Moore Jr. Just wanna make sure that
everybody has the document in hand. Good evening again. I'm
Barrett Hicks, president of the Concerned Citizens Association
Tidewood Connection. And the board chair for Iron Sharpens
Irons covering the last 2 years. I'm here tonight to say thank
you to the city. Mr. Mayor, And those that work within the
city for the events that we've been able to have over at the
Chrysler Museum for iron sharpens irons. Our first year
out was, we had in essence, 300 men, primarily black men.
That stood up to make a difference. So we established
that was established by Councilman JP Page. And he
reached out to me to say, can you get a you come aboard.
I think we've done an awesome job again 300 black men the
first year. And even more so this year we had about 150 in
the house, but even more important we had the key
officials from around the city. And somewhere around the state
that understood that now it's time for some solutions. Not
just talking about the problems but solutions so they were there
to listen. Tonight I want to uh. Share with the mayor for
a proper place in city. One of the one of the medals that
we gave to people that have helped us, we, we called out
30 names showing Mr. Mayor and Councilman Page. We both have
done the works that's needed and required we want to just say
thank you to the city on behalf of of citizens. Before I leave
though, I want to make sure that we. Take the vision of
Councilman Page and myself more so myself asking now about the
community hub as the document I gave you, we just about
solution hubs. So we put together a proposal that we
have sent to the city manager and the city as a whole to get
that recreation center. Over on Lea Street and the campus
of the community opened up as a community hub. I think it's
much needed and required throughout our city that we
find hubs to where we're connecting. When I talked to
folks at uh uh uh both these shopping irons and throughout
the time that I've been around 20 some years. We even have
factions. To where we can't even go into different
communities. We've got to create hubs to where we're making those
connections. I mean, our, our new police chief seems to be
doing some things with community policing, but that hub, a hub
in the community. Where we are able to sit and talk. And make a
difference as these metals state. You make a difference
2025 if I could Tracy, give us a hit. One last thing, one last
minute, please, I saw that you guys uh were speaking to the
library boards. There's still a need, a great need for a
library. In Berk in the Berkeley community. Thank you, sir. 6,
before you go, um, I want to make sure that, um, Mr. Pisko
can uh can you just clarify when Mr. Hicks asked, can he
speak on all of the R items and the consent items, uh,
regardless of how many they are, um, that he wants to sign
up for to speak in his 3 minutes, he's allowed to do
that. And Mr. Mayor, let me clarify, not just Mr. Hicks,
we're asking him that when I ask the question, I, I, I, but
again sounds like we're about to change some legislation
because of Mr. Hicks, but go ahead, not because of Mr. Hicks.
The, the mayor is correct that a speaker can address as many
CNR items in the 3 minutes as he, uh, wants to. Thank you,
sir. And also the public hearings will be standalone
and new business will be once a month. Yes sir. That's fine.
Thank you sir. OK, thank you, Ms. Hicks and thank you for
the medal. Thank you, sir, for recognition, uh, Mr. Moore
Woodrow W. Moore. Mhm. Given glory to the good Lord. Thank
you Lord Jesus. Good evening everyone. Look, um, I live at
2787 Tate Terrace. My wife and I, my wife is retired Navy.
We moved here, uh, 37 years ago. We made north of our home.
This past December 17th was our anniversary. We've been married
37 years. But what I'm here tonight for, because I have
been here before about my property. My property joins
the city property where the city got all kinds of heavy
equipment over there. I got one dump truck. I had this dump
truck, this dump truck cost me a quarter of a million dollars.
And I just got to pay for, not this past October, but October
before last. And zoning wanna make me move it, and I have
nowhere to take it because These people will vandalize your
stuff. And the truck is, is a nice truck, and I don't have
anywhere to take it. You know what I mean, uh, my wife and
I, we're trying to build a new home because we recently had
a got our oldest daughter. had a brain tumor and it left her
half paralyzed. So we're trying to tear down our house now.
We got the uh paperwork down here, the engineer looking at
the property and everything, so we could tear the house down
and build a new house. But this is my livelihood, you know what
I mean, what they're trying to do to me, you know what
I mean? So I'm just asking the, the city, we got 2.2 acres.
You can't even see the truck from, from the street. You know
what I mean, if you pass by my house, you don't even know
the truck back there. You know what I mean, and it just, it's
just sad that somebody can call to sit on me and said that,
well, they don't want it back there. It's in my backyard,
but it's in my yard and I worked hard for everything that I got.
So I'm just asking the city. To take a look at this situation
because I'm in desperate need. The truck was broke down
recently for 3 months because of this new death system that
they have on the truck. I haven't worked in 3 months and
like it's raining out there now. It ain't no work out there
for a dump truck when you're hauling sand. And, and another
thing, I get up at 3:30 in the morning to go to Knox's Island
to go to work. So if I park the truck somewhere else, that
means that I gotta get up before then and go and get the truck
if it's all right. So I just wanted the city council to take
a look into this because I don't think that it's right, you know
what I mean, I'm not asking you to uh To, uh, uh, throw
me up under the bus, you know what I mean, I worked hard for
everything I got, so. That's all that I got to say. Uh, thank
you, Mr. Moore. Uh, Mister, Mister, uh, manager, can you
assign someone, uh, to Mr. Moore to, to take a look at their
Rogers here and he's familiar with it. He'll talk with him,
yeah, and see if there's James have been to my house. He know I
understand that, but, but, but you don't have an application
for a change of zoning. You don't, so we're trying to, I,
I need to know more. OK, OK, look, I appreciate it thank
you. So thank you very much. Thank you. All right, Mr. Gold
and did Mr. uh, Adam Lavelle ever, Adam Lavelle? No Adam
Lavelle. All right. Councilor.