AUGUST 15, 2022. PLANO PLANNING AND ZONING >> Chair Downs: 7:02. I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING A COUPLE OF MINUTES LATE. IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE RISE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] ] THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO THREE MINUTES PE SPEAKER WITH 30 TOTAL MINUTES ON ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON TH CURRENT AGENDA. THE PLANNING AN ZONING COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS, BUT MAY RESPOND WITH FACTUAL OR POLICY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. THE PRIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY. AND TONIGHT WE HAVE NO ONE WANTING TO SPEAK ON COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. LET'S MOVE TO CONSENT. THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACT UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NONCONTROVERSIAL. ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION BY COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF. >> Chair Downs: DOES ANYONE WANT TO REMOVE AN ITEM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? I KNOW WE HAD DISSSED IN PRELIMINARY THERE MIGHT BE A SPEAKER BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE IS NO SPEAKERS ON CONSENT. >> I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PROVIDED. >> I SECOND THAT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HORNE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 8-0. ITEM 1. OR STAFF. >> ITEMS FOR INDIVID PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS: APPLICANT ARE LIMITED TO 15 MINUTES OF PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE MINUTE REBUTTAL, IF NEEDED. REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMON TIME, WITH THREE MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER. THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS MUST BE APPROVED IF THEY ET CY DELOPMENT REGULATIONS. LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION ITEMS ARE MORE DISCRETIONARY, EXCEPT AS CONSTRAINED BY LEGAL CONSIDE AGENDA ITEM NO. 1. PUBLIC HEARING: ZONING CASE 2022-003 - REQUEST TO AMEND AND EXPAND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT-129- GENERAL OFFICE ON 63.2 ACRES AN RESCIND SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NO. 609 FOR HELISTOP ON 9.1 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF COIT ROAD AND15TH STREET. TABLED ON AUGUST 1, 2022. APPLICANTS: HSP OF TEXAS, INC. COLUMBIA MEDICAL CENTER OF PLANO SUBSIDIARY, LP, HEALTH CARE PROPERTY INVESTORS, INC., DHC PLANO MEDICAL CENTER, LLC, ACRES OF SUNSHINE, LTD., AND TEXAS PSYCHIATRIC CO., INC. LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION. >> IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT THE COMMISSION ACCEPT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO TABLE AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS . >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? THANK YOU. >> THIS IS THE LAST OPPORTUNITY TO TABLE, RIGHT? THEY RUN OUT OF THEIR SHOT CLOCK FOR THIS? >> Chair Downs: THEY'RE NOT UNDER THE SHOT CLOCK. ANY OTHER ? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> YES. WE HAVE ROYCE CLAYTON. >> GOOD EVENING. HAVING DONE A LITTLE RESEARCH, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. >> SIR, CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS? >> ROYCE CLAYTON, 3729 CROMWELL COURT. I'M IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THE HOSPITAL PROPERTY. MEDICAL CITY PLANO SHOULD HAVE FAA APPROVAL ACCORDING TO A NEW DOCUMENT. IT'S AC150-5390-2C. IT REQUIRES APPROVAL FOR TAKEOFF AND LANDINGS. IT REQUIRES APPROVAL FOR THE ACTUAL LANDING SITE ITSELF. THEY ALSO HAVE TO VERIFY WITH THE CITY DOES THE LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE ENGINE RESPONDING COMPANY HAVE PHONE CAPABILITIES INSTANTLY UPON ARRIVAL. THE REASON BEING IS THERE'S THE EAST SIDE OF THATRED ON BUILDING, WHICH WOULD BE IN THE CRASH ZONE. THE OTHER THING IS CARRYING IT FORWARD, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE HOSPITAL BECAUSE WE HAVE A RETAINING WALL OR BRICK WALL THAT'S ABOUT SIX FEET HIGH THAT'S FALLING OVER. IT'S LEANING AGAINST POWER POLES. IT'S CAUSING ELECTRICAL PROBLEMS FOR OUR HOMES WHEN THE WIND BLOWS BECAUSE THE POLES ARE LEANING. WE ALSO HAVE TRUCKS DRIVING THROUGH THIS VACANT FIELD THAT THEY'RE USING FOR STORAGE AREA THAT THEY HAVEN'T CLEANED UP SINCE THE LAST CONSTRUCTION PROJ. BASICALLY WHAT I THINK I'M TRYING TO SAY IS WE HAVE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE NOT BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. WE HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER, IT LOOKS LIKE? >> YES WE DO. HERON PATEL. >> ALL RIGHT. 3725 CROMWELL COURT. RIGHT NEXT TO THE HOSPITAL . SO I SUBMITTED A DOCUMENT TO THE PLANNING COMMITTEE EARLIER TODAY, JUST TO GIVE YOU A SUMMARY O THOUGHTS ON THIS DECISION. IT SUMMARIZES OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE CORPORATION AND WHAT THE DECISION IS IN REZONING HERE ALONG WITH OUR ISSUES AS RESIDENTS, THREE KEY ISSUES. PRIVATE PROPERTY ISSUES, SAFETY, NOISE ISSUES, AND THEN ISSUES WITH THE CORPORATION ITSELF, ALONG WITH OUR THREE PROPOSED SOLUTIONS AND A SUMMARY OF THAT. SO I JUST WANTED TO SUBMIT THAT INTO PUBLIC RECORD AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS IT NEXT TIME. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU, SIR. >> WE DO NOT HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS. WE DO HAVE TWO THAT REGISTERED IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT. >> Chair Downs: THEY'RE IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT, NOT TO TABLE? OKAY. UNCLEAR. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, CONFINE THE DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO TABLE ZONING CASE 2022-003 TO THE SEPTEMBER 6, 2022 P&Z MEETING. >> I HAD A QUESTION AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING ERIC COULD ANSWER. THE WALL THAT HE MENTIONED THAT'S LEANING UP AGAINST POLES, IS THAT A CITY WALL OR IS THAT A -- >> Chair Downs: SO LET'S MAKE OUR DECISION AROUND TABLING AND THEN WE CAN ADDRESS IT. >> SO MY ONLY QUESTION IS ON TABLING, WE'VE TABLED THIS ALREADY ONCE. WE'VE NOT HEARD FROM THE APPLICANT ABOUT THE LENGTH OF TIME THEY'RE GOING TO NEED T CONE DOING. DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA THAT THIS NEXT ONE MAY BE ENOUGH FOR THEM? >> YEAH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT. I BELIEVE THEY'LL BE READY FOR THE NEXT AGENDA. >> THEN I'LL SECOND COMMISSIONER HORNE'S MOTION. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HORNE, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY TO TABLE ITEM 1 UNTIL THE SEPTEMBER 6, 2022 MEETING. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 8-0. >> I WILL BE READING ITEMS 2A AND 2B TOGETHER. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 2A. PUBLIC HEARING: ZONING CASE 2022-011 - REQUEST TO REZONE 7.8 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF JUPITER ROAD AND LOS RIOS BOULEVARD FROM PLANNED DEV RESIDENCE-7 TO PLANNED DEVELOPM APPLICANT: AL DEWAN PROPERTIES, LEGISLATIVE CONSIDERATION. AGENDA ITEM NO. 2B. PUBLIC HEARING - CONCEPT PLAN: JUPITER MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK A, LOT 1 - 80 MULTIFAMILY DWELLING UNITS ON ONE LOT ON 6. ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF JUPITER ROAD AND LOS RIOS BOULEVARD. ZONED PLANNED D SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE-7. THIS IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION. >> MY NAME IS KOTCHE COPELAND. THIS REQUEST IS TO REZONE THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF JUPITER ROAD AND LOS RIOS BOULEVARD FROM PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 12 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE 7 TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 12 MULTIFAMILY RESIDENCE 1 . >> WE CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING THAT'S GOING ON. >> Chair Downs: CAN WE TRY BOOSTING HER MIC, PLEASE? CAN YOUEAR ME? >> A LITTLE BIT. >> Chair Downs: LET'S JUST TRY BOOSTING THE MICS A LITTLE BIT PLEASE. >> [OFF MIC] >> Chair Downs: THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. >> [OFF MIC] >> Chair Downs: I UNDERSTAND. >> OKAY. THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST ARE ZONED AGRICULTURAL AND INCLUDE VACANT LAND, SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOMES, AND PART OF THE OAK POINT PARK AND NATURE PRESERVE PARK. SHOWN ON THE SCREEN IS THE COMPANIONONPT PLAN SHOWING THE PROPOSED 80-UNIT MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. IT SHOWS TEN TWO-STORY MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS, ONE ONE STORY COMMUNITY BUILDING, ONE SWIMMING POOL, 165 SURFACE-LEVEL PARKING SPACES. SHOWN ON THE SCREEN IS THE USABLE OPEN SPACE PLAN. THE USABLE OPEN SPACE PLAN TOTALS 126,000 SQUARE FEET WHICH EQUALS APPROXIMATELY 42%& OF THE LOT. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED AS NEIGHBORHOODS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AND THIS PROPERTY IS CLASSIFIED AS UNDEVELOPED HOUSING IN THE LAND USE AND HOUSING INVENTORY MAP. THIS REQUEST DOES NOT CONFORM TO THE MIX OF USES SECTION IN THE N-4 AND WOULD RESULT IN AN INCREASE OF MULTIFAMILY HOUSING TYPES. THE RECOMMENDED 20% FOR MULTIFAMILY HOUSING TYPES HAS ALREADY BEEN ACHIEVED. THE ADDITIONAL 80 UNITS WIL INCREASE THAT PERCENTAGE FROM 24.67 TO 24.73%. STAFF ANALYZED THE PROPOSAL WITH THE COMPANION CONCEPT PLAN FOR CONFORMANCE WITH THE DESIRABLE CHARACTER AND THE PROPOSAL MEETS ALL BUT TRANSIT . THIS REQUEST IS DISFAVORED DUE TO THE LACK OF CONFORMITY WITH THE HOUSING MIX OF THE N-4 WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. APPRAL SHOULD BE CAREFULLY DELIBERATED AND JUSTIFIED BY FINDINGS. UP ON THE SCREEN IS THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD FORM THAT CAN BE FOUND REVIEWING THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S DASHBOARD IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YOU CAN SEE THIS PATTERN REPEATED ACROSS THE CITY. THE NEIGHBORHOOD UNIT IS BOUND BY MAJOR ROADWAYS AND IS TYPICALLY CENTERED AROUND A PARK OR SCHOOL. SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED HOMES ARE THE PRIMARY HOUSING TYPE WITH MULTIFAMILY AND/OR SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED HOUSING SERVING AS TNSITNS TO COMMERCIAL OR INSTITUTIONAL USES AT THE MAJOR INTERSECTIONS. THE PROPOSED REZONING WOULD BE OUT OF CHARACTER FOR THIS PATTERN AS THE SITE WOULD NOT BE SERVING AS A BUFFER FOR COMMERCIAL USES AND IS NOT LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF TWO MAJOR ROADWAYS. NOTING THAT LOS RIOS BOULEVARD IS CLASSIFIED AS A TYPE D SECONDARY THOROUGHFARE ON THE THOROUGHFARE MAP. THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S DASHBOARD DOES NOT SUPPORT ADDITIONAL DENSITY FOR THIS AREA, HOWEVER SOUTH OF THIS SITE ALONG SPRING CREEK PARKWAY INCREASED DENSITY INCLUDING MULTIFAMILY UNITS ARE SUPPORTED BY THE ENVISION OAK POINT PLAN. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING SOME STANDARDS TO RESTRICT THE DENSITY AND HEIGHT OF THEIR REQUEST. THE MAXIMUM DENSITY IN MF-1 IS 12 UNITS PER ACRE WITH A HEIGHT MAXIMUM OF THREE STORIES AND 40 FEET. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 11.73 UNITS PER ACRE AND LIMITING THE HEIGHT TO TWO STORIES, 30 FEETER THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT STIPULATIONS. THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSAL PROVIDES LOW MULTIMODAL TRANSIT ACCESS. FIRST, GO LINK IS A SERVICE OFFERED BY DART AND PROVIDES A HIRED COMPANY DRIVER TO ASSIST IN DAY-TO-DAY NEEDS TO THEIR CUSTOMERS. RESIDENTS MUST PAY TO USE THIS SERVICE. AND GO LINK DOES NOT DIRECTLY SERVE THE PROPERTY BUT IS WITHIN A ONE-MILE RADIUS. ADDITIONALLY, PARKER ROAD LIGHT RAIL STATION AND A BUS STOP LOCATED AT PARKER ROAD AND 75 ARE BOTH WITHIN 3.5 MILES OF THIS SITE BUT AGAIN DOES NOT DIRECTLY SERVE IT. OVERALL FUTURE RESIDENTS WOULD LIKELY NEED TO HAVE ANOTHER MODE OF TRANSPORTATION TO BENEFIT FROM THESE SERVICES. UP ON THE SCREEN ARE THE PD RESTRICTIONS. STAFF RECEIVED THREE LETTERS WITHIN THE 200-FOOT RADIUS. DUE TO THE SIZE AT OPPOSITION, SUPERMAJORITY IS TRIGGERED. STAFF RECEIVED A TOTAL OF 819 RESPONSES BY NOON ON FRIDAY, AUGUST 12. THE MAP ON THE SCREEN REFLECTS THOSE NUMBERS. WHEN THIS PRESENTATION WAS SUBMITTED TO PLANO TV, THERE WERE A TOTAL OF 831 RESPONSES, SIX IN FAVOR, FIVE NEUTRAL, AND 820 IN OPPOSITION. AND AS OF 3:00 P.M. TODAY, WE RECEIVED TWO ADDITIONAL RESPONSES BOTH IN OPPOSITION BRINGING THE TOTAL RESPONSE COUNT TO 833. TO CONCLUDE, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REZONE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 12 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE 7 TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 12 MULTIFAMILY 1 TO ALLOW FOR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT. ADDITIONAL HOUSING IS NEEDED IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE PROPOSED HEIGHT LIMITATIONS RESPECT THE STANDARDS OF THE SURROUNDING AREA. HOWEVER, THIS REQUEST DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE MIX OF USES TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD FORM OR CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD'S LAND DESIGNATION IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AN FOR THOSE REASONS, STAFF RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF THE REQUEST. AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I SEE ONE LIGHT ON ALREADY. COMMISSIONER STONE. >> Stone: YES, THANK YOU FOR THAT GOOD PRESENTATION. WOULD YOU BACK UP TO THE SLIDE ON TRANSIT ACCESS? THERE WE GO. DO I UNDERSTAND FROM ITEM NO. 2 THERE IT'S AN EIGHT-MINUTE DRIVE FROMHISITE TO THE PARKER ROAD STATION, BASICALLY A THREE AND A HALF MILE WALK, IS THAT CORRECT? >> CORRECT. IN THE IMAGE, THE SECOND IMAGE CLOSER TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN, THERE IS A STAR WHERE THE SITE IS BEING PROPOSED AND YOU CAN SEE A RED MARKER IN THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER WHERE THE PARKER ROAD STATION IS. >> Stone: YES. >> AND THE BUS STOP IS VERY CLOSE, APPROXIMATELY WHERE THAT TUESDAY MORNING AD IS BEING SHOWN. >> Stone: OKAY. OKAY. CAN YOU TELL MEROM YOUR PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE WHERE IS THE CLOSEST SHOPPING TO THIS CORNER, TO JUPITER AND LOS RIOS. DO YOU KNOW? CAN YOU SHARE THAT WITH US? >> DEFINE SHOPPING. JUST A MALL? >> Stone: NO, LOCAL SHOPPING. 7-ELEVEN. >> ON SPRING CREEK PARKWAY. >> Stone: ON SPRING CREEK PARKWAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: QUICK QUESTION. AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF THAT? IS IT THE COST TO BUILD, THE MARKET RATE OF THE HOUSING? WHAT QUALIFIES A DEVELOPMENT AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING? BECAUSE THE TRANSIT REQUIREMENTS ARE TIED TO THAT SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. HOW THIS QUALIFIES AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. >> SURE. SO THE APPLICANT CAN SPEAK TO THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLAN AS FAR AS HOW MANY UNITS ARE BEING DESIGNATED AS AFFORDABLE. THE APPLICANT PROVIDED A STATEMENT THAT IS PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET TALKING ABOUT LOWER RENTS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE MEETING THE THRESHOLD OF LESS THAN 30% OF THEIR INCOME GOING TOWARDS RENT AND UTILITIES. >> Olley: OKAY. A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, IF I MAY. THE TRANSIT REQUIREMENT, IS THAT TIED TO THE SPECIAL HOUSING NEEDS, AKA THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PORTION OF THIS APPLICATION? OR IS THAT TIED TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD DASHBOARD, THE DESIRABLE CHARACTER ELEMENTS. WHAT TRIGGERS THE TRANSIT REQUIREMENTS? >> THE SPECIAL HOUSING NEEDS. >> Olley: THE SPECIAL HOUSING NEEDS. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER BRONSKY. >> Bronsky: SO I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. NUMBER ONE, IN YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU PROVIDED A DOCUMENT FROM PLANO ISD. >> YES. >> Bronsky: THAT TALKED ABOUT THE ENROLLMENTS OF THE SCHOOLS CORRECT? CAN YOU TELL ME AN APPROXIMATE NUMBER THAT WE WOULD SEE OUT OF THESE 80 UNITS, ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, AND THREE BEDROOM -- I THINK THREE BEDROOM UNITS AS WELL. WHAT KIND OF AN INCREASE THE SCHOOL MIGHT EXPECT TO SEE. IS THERE A NUMBER FOR THAT AT ALL? >> SURE. WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS A OUR 2022 ANNUAL REPORT WED IN BREAK DOWN THE STUDENTS PER ACRE/UNIT BASED ON THE HOUSING TYPE AND BASED ON THE GARDEN-STYLE APARTMENT THAT THIS APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, WE CAN EXPECT AROUND 50 ADDITIONAL STUDENTS IN THIS AREA AND WITH THE PLANO ISD LETTER, THEY CAN SUPPORT THAT NUMBER OF ADDITIONAL STUDENTS. >> Bronsky: NOT ONLY THAT, THEY COULD PROBABLY SUPPORT DOUBLE THAT WITHOUT BREAKING THEIR FUNCTIONAL CAPACITY, LET ALONE THEIR PROGRAM CAPACITY, CORRECT? >> THEY'VE PROVIDED A GRAPH IN THEIR LETTER THAT STATES THAT THEY CAN SUPPORT AT LEAST 50 ADDITIONAL STUDENTS. >> Bronsky: SECOND QUESTION WAS WHEN YOU GO TO YOUR DOCUMENT THAT YOU HAD SUBMITTED TO US ABOUT TRAFFIC, THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS PORTION, IT BROKE DOWN I GUESS WHAT IS CURRENTLY TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA, A.M. AND P.M., 17 IN THE A.M., 22 IN THE P.M. AND THEN WITH THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT BEING ADDED, A 65% INCREASE IN THE A.M. AND A 59% INCREASE IN THE P.M.. >> YES. >> Bronsky: IS THAT GOING TO TRIGGER ANY KIND OF ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION OR DIFFICULTY? FROM LOOKING AT THE MAPS ON LOS RIOS -- AND I WATCHED THE TRAFFIC GO BY THERE FOR SEVERAL HOURS TODAY, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOME MORE ADDITIONAL -- SOMETHING TO SUPPORT THIS ON LOS RIOS BEING A TWO-LANE ROAD? >> SO IN 2016 THERE WAS A STUDY DONE ON LOS RIOS AND JUPITER TO ANALYZE THE APPLICABILITY OF AN ADDITIONAL LIGHT AND BACK IN 2016 THOSE NUMBERS DID NOT EQUATE TO NEEDING A STOPLIGHT. AND TRANSPORTATION HAS CONFIRMED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING AN ADDITIONAL STUDY AT THE INTERSECTION. HOWEVER, A CIP PROJECT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A DESIGNATED RIGHT-TURN LANE ON LOS RIOS BOULEVARD. >> Bronsky: OKAY. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER CARY. >> Cary: FIRST I WANT TO SAY KOTCHE GREAT PRESENTATION AND I AM IMPRESSED WITH YOUR COMPREHENSIVE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT IS GOING ON AROUND HERE, SO WELL DONE. MY QUESTION I HOPE IS SOMEWHAT SIMPLE. HAS ENGINEERING LOOKED AT THE FACT THAT THERE'S -- IT LOOKS LIKE A CREEK ON THIS PROPERTY. AND WHAT IF ANY EFFECT BUILDING THIS MIGHT HAVE ON DRAINAGE, FLOOD CONTROL, THINGS LIKE THAT? >> SURE. SO A FLOOD STUDY WAS DONE BACK IN 2016 WHEN THE PREVIOUS ZONING WAS APPROVED FOR THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 12 SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENT 7 AND THE FLOOD STUDY WAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED BASED ON THAT LAYOUT OF THE 22 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES . AND IF THE WALL AND THE DESIGN INCLUDING THE WALLS, CULVERT, AND BRIDGES PROVIDED IN THAT FLOOD STUDY, THEY WOULD NOT NEED TO PROVIDE ANOTHER FLOOD STUDY. HOWEVER, IF THAT CHANGES, THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO SUBMIT A FLOOD STUDY DURING THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND SITE PORTION. >> Cary: I DON'T REMEMBER IF THIS WAS IN YOUR DOCUMENTS BUT I WOULD GUESS THAT SIGNIFICANTLY MORE OF THE LAND IS GOING TO BE COVERED EITHER WITH BUILDINGS AND/OR PAVEMENT WITH THIS. AND SO WE DON'T THINK THAT WOULD HAVE ANY EFFECT ON THE NEED FOR DRAINAGE OR FLOOD CONTROL GOING FROM THE 12 HOUSES TO THESE WITH SIGNIFICANTLY -- I'M GUESSING SIGNIFICANTLY MORE LAND COVERAGE. >> SO ALL OF THE STORMWATER RUNOFF WILL ALL END UP IN ROWLETT CREEK SO IT'S UP TO THE APPLICANT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DIRECT THAT STORMWATER RUNOFF TO GET TO ROWLETT CREEK. >> Cary: DO YOU KNOW AT THIS POINT HOW HIGH ABOVE THE CREEK THESE BUILDINGS ARE AND HOW MUCH AT RISK THEY MIGHT BE FROM AN UNUSUAL RAIN EVENT, WHICH WE'RE SEEING ALL OVER THE COUNTRY RIGHT NOW. >> I DO NOT KNOW THAT BUT I CAN FIND OUT FOR YOU. >> Cary: I KNEW IF I ASKED ENOUGH QUESTIONS I WOULD STUMP YOU, SO NOW I'M DONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [LAUGHTER] >> Chair Downs: ANY QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: THANK YOU. NUMBER ONE, GREAT JOB ON THE REPORT. I READ IT TWICE TO TRY TO SOAK IT ALL IN, SO I'M GLAD YOU KNOW IT BETTER THAN I DO. I HAD A QUESTION, PHILOSOPHICALLY AS PART OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, OUR HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENTS TEND TO BE CLOSER TO SHOPPING, TRANSIT RESTAURANTS ET CETERA, IS THAT CORRECT? IS THAT THE DESIRABLE LOCATION AS A GENERAL RULE? >> THAT'S CORRECT. SO IT'S SEVERAL AAS BUT THE MIXED-USE ACTIVITY CENTERS, THE DOWNTOWN CORRIDOR WITH THE DART STATIONS AND U.S. 75 REDEVELOPMENT. >> Ratliff: OKAY. THAT TENDS TO BE WHERE WE HAVE LOCATED THEM IN THE PAST BUT JUST LOOKING AT THIS PARTICULAR ONE, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE ANY OF THOSE THINGS AROUND THIS SITE. AND WHEN WE LOOK AT OTHER DEVELOPMENTS -- AM I MISSING SOMETHING? IS THERE A FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT I'M NOT AWARE OF OR IS THERE ANYTHING COMING IN AROUND THIS SITE OTHER THAN WHAT'S ALREADY ON SPRING CREEK PARKWAY THAT WOULD BE CLOSE? THE NEAREST RESTAURANT IS OVER A MILE AWAY. AM I MISSING ANYTHI? >> THIS IS NORTH OF THE ENVISION OAK PLAN AND THAT'S GOING TO INCLUDE SHOPPING AND DINING AND RESIDENTIAL USES AND THAT'S JUST A PLAN AT THIS POINT. THERE'S BEEN NO ZONING CASES SUBMITTED FOR THAT JUST YET. >> Ratliff: BUT THAT'S OVER A MILE AWAY FROM THIS SITE, CORRECT? >> I DON'T BELIEVE -- YES. IT IS A MILE. >> Ratliff: THAT WAS JUST -- I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAD MY GEOGRAPHY CORRECT. THANK YOU. THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION. >> Chair Downs: ANYONE ELSE? COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: SO FOR A DEVELOPMENT OF THIS KIND WE REQUIRE TWO TYPE C THOROUGHFARES TO ESSENTIALLY BE FEEDING INTO THIS DEVELOPMENT. THIS MIGHT BE PLANNING 101 BUT CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY. SO JUPITER IS A TYPE C, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN BUT LOS RIOS IS NOT? LOS RIOS IS A D. SO WHY DO WE NEED TWO? WHY CAN'T JUPITER SUFFICE FROM A TRAFFIC OUTFLOW AND INFLOW? >> IT IS NOT THE SIZE TT TCHES UP WITH THE TYPE C THOROUGHFARE. SO THE VOLUME, THE TRAFFIC VOLUME WITH THE AMOUNT OF LANES DO NOT MATCH AND THEREFORE POTENTIALLY ARE NOT APPROPRIATE FOR SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTS TO BE UP AGAINST AND THERE NEEDS TO BE THAT BUFFER TO PROTECT THE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTS, THE PARK, THE SCHOOLS, SO IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE FOR A COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTER TO BE UP AGAINST TWO SIX-LANE THOROUGHFARES RATHER THAN A LA TO FOUR LANE. MORE OF A TWO >> Olley: SO IT'S ALSO A SAFETY ISSUE, IT SOUNDS LIKE. >> DEFINITELY. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER OLLEY. IT JARRED MY MEMORY ABOUT A QUESTION I HAD ABOUT TRANSPORTATION. HAS THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT LOOKED AT THE LOCATION OF THESE DRIVEWAYS IN RELATION TO THIS INTERSECTION? BECAUSE THIS SITE IS SERVED BY THREE DRIVEWAYS BUT NUMBER ONE FROM BEING OUT THERE, THE ONE ON JUPITER IS BLOCKED BY A GO RIGHTUT O THAT YOU CAN ONLY DRIVEWAY. AT SOME POINT THE SAME WILL BE TRUE OF ONE OF THOSE DRIVEWAYS ON LOS RIOS. HAVE WE LOOKED AT ACTUALLY TURNING MOVEMENTS IN THIS SITE? IT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD ONLY HAVE ONE FULL-FUNCTIONING DRIVEWAY. >> THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT REVIEWED THE CONCEPT PLAN AND APPROVED IT TO THEIR STANDARDS. >> Ratliff: OKAY. SO THEY DID LOOK AT THE ADEQUACY OF ACCESS WITH TURN LANES. >> YES. >> Ratliff: OKAY. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: ARE WE DONE? NOPE. COMMISSIONER BRONSKY. >> Bronsky: I'VE GOT ONE MORE. >> Chair Downs: JU HOVERING OVER THE BUTTON. >> Bronsky: I W TRYING TO DECIDE. WHENEVER I WAS LOOKING AT THE CONCEPT PLAN VERSION 5 MAP AND I'M LOOKING AT THE TWO DRIVEWAYS ON LOS RIOS, ONLY ONE OF THEM IS AN ENTRANCE ROAD AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE 107.6 FEET FROM THE GATE ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY LINE, IS THAT CORRECT? >> COULD YOU SAY THAT O MORE TIMT THE CONCEPT PLAN. >> Bronsky: THE ENTRANCE THAT'S FURTHER AWAY FROM JUPITER, THE ONLY ENTRANCE THAT'S ON LOS RIOS. >> YES. >> Bronsky: SO THE OTHER ONE'S AN EXIT. >> YES. >> Bronsky: I LOST MY MAP. THE CLOSEST TO JUPITER IS AN EXIT ONLY AND IS NOT AN ENTRANCE SO THE ONLY ENTRANCE GOING INTO THIS ON LOS RIOS, IS D THOROUGHFARE, IS 107 FEET FROM THE GATE ENTRANCE TO THE PROPERTY LINE, CORRECT? THAT'S THE NUMBER THERE I SEE, 107.6. >> Chair Downs: LET'S STIPULATE THAT. WHAT'S THE QUESTION? >> Bronsky: SO THAT'S APPROXIMATELY EIGHT OR NINE CAR LENGTHS MAYBE AT MOST, MAYBE SIX OR SEVEN. ONCE WE HAVE EXCEEDED THAT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD AS WELL IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY HAVING SOMETHING GOING ON THERE. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT -- WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THAT WERE THE CASE? >> WE DO -- THE CONCEPT PLAN DOES HAVE A TURNAROUND SO IF THERE ARE ISSUES, THE CAR POTENTIALLY COULD PULL INTO THAT TURNAROUND SPACE AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON TO CONTINUE TO ALLOW OTHERS WHO HAVE ACCESS INTO THE PROPERTY. >> Bronsky: MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT ONE ENTRANCE BEING A D THOROUGHFARE AND REALLY BEING BASICALLY THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE TO THIS PROPERTY FOR SOMEBODY THAT WOULD BE COMING SOUTH, IF THAT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT FOR SOMEBODY TO TRY TO GET IN THERE WITH PEOPLE GOING IN FROM BOTH DIRECTIONS, MAKING A LEFT-HAND TURN IF I WAS COMING SOUTH ON JUPITER, I WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THAT TURN ON TO LOS RIOS AND THEN I WOULD HAVE TO WAIT MY TURN TO GET INTO THAT ONE ENTRANCE THERE, CORRECT? >> RIGHT. AND IF YOU ARE A GUEST, THEY DO HAVE THE GUEST -- THEY HAVE A CALL BOX ON LOS RIOS, SO IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT, I'M SURE YOU WOULD HOPE TO HAVE IMMEDIATE ACCESS IF YOU WERE AND THERE WOULDN'T BE A STACK HAPPENING ON JUPITER AND IF YOU'RE A GUEST, HOPEFULLY THE RESIDENTS WOULD DIRECT THEIR GUESTS TO ENTERING ON TO THE LOS RIOS ENTRANCE TO -- >> Bronsky: THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY ENTRANCE FOR THE GUESTS. >> THEESIDENT THAT LIVES AT THE COMMUNITY TO ALLOW THEM ACCESS INTO THE PROPERTY OFF OF LOS RIOS. >> Bronsky: THANK YOU. YOU. YOU. HAVE TO LEAN ON OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT WHO EVALUATED IT AND FELT LIKE IT WAS WITHIN OUR CODE. >> Olley: LAST QUESTION. IF THIS WAS APPROVED, WHAT DOES THIS DO FROM A [INDISCERNIBLE] FROM THE CITY? DOES IT SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE OUR MIX OF HOUSING INVENTORY OR WHAT DOES IT DO? DOES IT CHANGE IT IN ANY WAY? YES. PER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT CHANGE THE MULTIFAMILY TYPES, IT INCREASES IT. >> IT'S .06% JUST FOR THIS ONE CATEGORY BUT CITYWIDE IT'S MUCH LESS THAN THAT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU, MR. BELL. OKAY. CAN WE LET HER OFF THE HOT SEAT OR DO YOU GUYS STILL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS? YOU'VE DONE GREAT. VERY GOOD. ARE WE DONE? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. BEFORE I OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO THE APPLICANT'S HERE AND THEY'LL SPEAK. THEY HAVE 15 MINUTES. HOW MANY SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE REGISTERED? >> WE HAVE A TOTAL OF NINE SPEAKERS ON AGENDA ITEM 2A PLUS WE HAVE LATE ENTRIES -- 12. >> Chair Downs: SO WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 12 SPEAKERS? >> OH, I'M SORRY. WE ONLY HAVE TEN SPEAKERS. THESE ARE OPINIONS THAT ARE REGISTERED. SORRY. SO WE HAVE TEN SPEAKERS. >> Chair Downs: ON 2A? >> CORRECT. >> Chair Downs: WHAT ABOUT 2B, IS THERE A SEPARATE SET? >> ON 2B -- ON 2A -- I'M SORRY. 2A. AND ON 2B WE HAVE ONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION. >> Chair Downs: IS IT THE SAME PERSON SPEAKING ON 2A? >> NO, THEY ARE NOT. THEY DIDN'T REGISTER ON ONE. >> Chair Downs: SO WE TYPICALLY ALLOW THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER TO SPEAK ON A TOPIC. IF YOU'RE SPEAKING ON 2B, JUST BE AWARE IF 2A DOESN'T PASS THEN 2B WOULDN'T PASS. I'LL ALLOW THE THREE MINUTES BUT I'LL ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE QUICK. IF SOMEBODY ELSE HAS MADE THE SAME COMMENTS YOU'VE MADE, FEEL FREE TO SAY I AGREE WITH WHAT THEY SAID. WE CAN EITHER SIT HERE A LONG TIME OR WE CAN HEAR YOUR OPINIONS, WHICH ARE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO US. ULTIMATELY WE WANT TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN TAKE ALL THE INFORMATION WE'VE BEEN GIVEN FROM STAFF, THE APPLICANT, YOUR FEEDBACK, WHICH W FANTAST. I MEAN, THE NUMBER OF RESPONSES WAS AMAZING. WHAT I REALLY LIKED WAS THEY WEREN'T ALL CARBON COPIES. MOST OF YOU TOOK A LOT OF TIME TO WRITE DOWN YOUR INDIVIDUAL THOUGHTS AND THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPACTFUL, VERSUS A CARBON COPY. SO WE'LL GO WITH THE THREE MINUTES. I'VE GOT -- OH, WE HAVE TWO ON ZOOM. >> WE DO. WE HAVE TWO ON ZOOM. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. THEN I'M GOING TO ENCOURAGE YOU EVEN MORE, IF SOMEBODY SAID SOMETHING, SAY I DON'T NEED TO SPEAK. I JUST WANT ALL OF US TO GET OUT OF HERE IN A GOOD TIME. TRUST ME, WE'LL HEAR WHAT YOU SAY. WE'RE GOING TO LET THE APPLICANT GO -- >> WE HAVE THREE REPRESENTING. >> Chair Downs: WILL THE APPLICANT PLEASE ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? >> MANSHA VERMA, ANGELA HUNT, AND DANIEL HENDRON. >> Chair Downs: TYPICALLY THE WAY THIS WILL GO IS THE APPLICANT WILL ADDRESS US. WE WILL PROBABLY LISTEN TO YOUR FEEDBACK AND YOUR COMMENTS. THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES FOR WRAP UP, AT WHICH TIME WE WILL ASK OUR QUESTIONS. AND THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE HEARING AND CONFINEHE DISCUSSION TO US. AND DURING THAT TIME PERIOD, IF YOU'LL LET US SPEAK. WE'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO YOU. WHEN WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, LET US SPEAK. I PROMISE WE HEARD YOU. PLEASE PROCEED. >> I AM WITH VERSED DEVELOPMENT. HOW DO I CHANGE THE SLIDE. I'M THE OWNER AND PRESIDENT AND WITH ME TODAY I HAVE DANIEL HENDRON THE. AND ANGELA HUNT, WHO IS OUR LAND USE ATTNEY . WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR MEETING WITH US TODAY. I KNOW -- I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS Y'ALL HAVE HAD THUS FAR AND IT'S GOOD TO SEE EVERYBODY ENGAGED IN THIS DISCUSSION. I WANT TO THANK THE CITY OF PLANO PLANNING DEPARTMENT. I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATION OVER THE PAST FEW MONTHS AND I KNOW IT'S BEEN A CHALLENGING PROCESS AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND EFFORT AND EVERYTHING Y'ALL DID TO GET US TO THIS POINT. AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE FOLKS COME OUT AND SPEAK TONIGHT AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S OPPOSITION FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT AND I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT AND I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S GREAT THAT PEOPLE COME OUT AND SPEAK ABOUT WHAT THEY BELIEVE IS RIGHT FOR THEIR COMMUNITY. AND WE'RE HERE TO HOPEFULLY ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS. WE CAN'T ADDRESS EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS, ALL THE CONCERNS, BUT WE'RE HERE TO DO THE BEST WE CAN TO ADDRESS EVERYONE'S CONCERNS AND OF COURSE ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. SO WE ARE BASED IN SAN ANTONIO. WE HAVE DEVELOPED OVER 5,000 APARTMENT HOMES THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF TEXAS. WE CONTINUE TO OWN AND OPERATE MOST OF THOSE TODAY. WE ARE LONG-TERM HOLDERS. WE ARE NOT MERCHANT BUILT. WE DON'T BUILD AND SELL. WE BUILD AND HOLD AND OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO BUILD GREAT HOUSING FOR OUR RESIDENTS. BUILD GREAT HOUSING FOR THE COMMUNITY SO THE COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO THRIVE AND EXCEL MOVING FORWARD. THAT IS OUR GOAL, THAT IS OUR MISSION, AROUND THAT IS WHY WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL TO THIS DAY. SO AS YOU KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SITE ON JUPER AND LOS RIOS. IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED, AS NOTED, PD SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING. AND WE ARE MAKING A REQUEST FOR MULTIFAMILY ZONING. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SITE IS UNDEVELOPED. IT'S BEEN UNDEVELOPED SINCE THE ZONING CHANGE OCCURRED AND I THINK THAT IN ITSELF SPEAKS VOLUMES. AT A TIME WHEN THERE IS A HOUSING SHORTAGE, A HOUSING CRISIS, BUILDERS ARE LOOKING FOR EVERY DAY TO FIND ON, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO BUILD ON THIS LOT, FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. AND THAT'S WHAT WRE HERE TO DO. I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT MULTIFAMILY ZONING. THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY DESIGNATION WE CAN QUALIFY FOR. THIS IS LOW-DENSITY MULTIFAMILY. THIS IS AS LOW DENSITY AS YOU CAN GO FOR MULTIFAMILY BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT A GREAT AREA THIS IS. WE UNDERSTAND WE HAVE SINGLE-FAMILY TO THE NORTH. WE HAVE PRESERVATION OF LAND TO THE SOUTH AND TO THE WEST, WHICH WILL NEVER BE DEVELOPED. THIS IS THE LAST REALLY PROPERTY ALONG THIS CORRIDOR THAT CAN ALLOW FOR SOME HOUSING, SOME GREAT HOUSING. IT'S A GREAT SCHOOL DISTRICT, OF COURSE, GREAT AMENITIES NEARBY, B A GREAT PLACE FOR FAMILIES TO LIVE AND GROW AND WORK. THESE PEOPLE ARE ALREADY LIVING HERE IN PLANO BUT WE HAVE AN AFFORDABILITY CRISIS. WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS AND WE'RE HERE TODAY TO HOPEFULLY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT MEETS ALL OF THESE NEEDS IN THE LOWEST WAY POSSIBLE, LOWEST IMPACT-WAY POSSIBLE. THIS IS NOT YOUR TYPICAL GARDEN-STYLE DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS NOT THE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT ON 121, 400 UNITS, OVER 25 ACRES, THAT'S NOT WHAT IS IS, THIS IS 11 UNITS PER ACRE . EXTREMELY LOW-DENSITY. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DEVELOPMENT ON YOUR CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT IN DOWNTOWN PLANO. THAT'S 60 UNITS AN ACRE. THIS IS NOTHING COMPARABLE TO THAT. I KNOW THAT'S A DIFFERENT AREA OF TOWN, I FULLY APPRECIATE THAT BUT MY POINT HERE IS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO BRING A DEVELOPMENT THAT FITS WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE COMMUNITY, OF THE SURROUNDING AREA AND NOT TO CREATE HIGHER IMPACT THAN NEEDED AND STILL PROVIDE GREAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO AS NOTED, IT'S NOT GARDE STYLE, THERE ARE NO BREEZEWAYS, THESE ARE ALL FIRST-FLOOR ENTRY UNITS. THESE BUILDING IS PROBABLY ANYWHERE BETWEEN FOUR TO EIGHT UNITS PER BUILDING AND THERE ARE NO BREEZEWAYS. THESE ARE HOMES. THESE ARE TOWNHOMES BUT THIS IS THE ZONING THAT WE HAVE TO APPLY FOR TO GET THIS DEVELOPMENT OFF THE GROUND. IT IS THE LOWEST IMPACT OF MULTIFAMILY THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER. NOW, AGAIN, WE APPRECIATE ALL THE VOICES OF CONCERN BY THE COMMUNITY AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING TO DO L IMPACT. THAT'S WHY WE'VE OFFERED TO DO NO MORE THAN 11.7 UNITS PER ACRE. NO MORE THAN 80 UNITS. HEIGHT LIMITATION, WHICH IS MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN WHAT MF ALLOWS FOR TO BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING BECAUSE THAT IS OUR OBJECTIVE. SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE SEEN AS FAR AS OPPOSITION, THIS IS SECTION 8. THIS IS NOT SECTION 8 HOUSING. THIS IS WORKFORCE HOUSING. THESE ARE PEOPLE HERE WORKING BUT THEY'RE NOT LIVING HERE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE. FOLKS THAT YOU SEE AT THE GROCERY STORE TO CHECK OUT YOUR GROCERIES, THATOU TALK TO EVERY DAY BUT THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE. 35% OF THE PEOPLE LIVING WITHIN A MILE OF THE SITE WOULD QUALIFY TO LIVE AT THIS DEVELOPMENT. THESE ARE WORKING-CLASS INDIVIDUALS FAMILIES TEACHERS FIREMEN POLICEMEN AND THAT'S THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO SERVE. SO TO ADD MORE COLOR ON WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, YOU KNOW, MARKET CONDITIONS IN PLANO HAVE CAUSED AN INCREASE IN HOME VALUES AND RENTAL RATES OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. THIS IS NOT JUST A U.S. CRISIS OR A TEXAS CRISIS, IT'S HAPPENING RIGHT HERE. AND AS SUMMARIZED IN THE CITY OF PLANO'S HOUSING TREND ANALYSIS, PLANO HAS EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT EMPLOYMENT GROWTH IN THE PAST 15 YEARS. HOWEVER, RESIDENTIAL GROWTH HAS NOT OCCURRED AT THE SAME PACE. AND WHILE THE CITY HAS BEEN EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL IN ATTRACTING MAJOR EMPLOYERS, RESIDENTIALLY-ZONED LAND IN THIS CITY IS ALMOST ENTIRELY BUILT OUT. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE BECAUSE THERE'S LIMITS OF HOW MUCH RESIDENTIAL LAND IS AVAILABLE. AND THIS IS MAKING NEW RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT INCREASINGLY CHALLENGING. EMPLOYMENT GROWTH WITHOUT CONCURRENT RESIDENTIAL GROWTH ALONGSIDE WITH THIS LAND CONSTRAINT, LACK OF RESIDENTIAL ZONED PROPERTY HAS PUT INCREASING PRESSURE ON THE HOUSING MARKET, RESULTING IN A LACK OF STARTER HOMES AND HOMES AFFORDABLE TO THE GENERAL WORKFORCE. ADDITIONALLY, ACCORDING TO THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN OF THE 2020-2024 CONSOLIDATED PLAN, 11% OF HOUSEHOLDS ARE COST BURDENED, SPENDING MORE THAN 50% OF THEIR INCOME ON HOUSING AND THINK THAT WAS ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS, WHAT IS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. HONESTLY, IN MY VIEW AND MOST PEOPLE'S VIEW, 50% IS TOO MUCH. ANYTHING OVER 35% IS OVER BURDEN AND THAT 11% IS MUCH GREATER THAN THAT. ADDITIONALLY, THIS DATA IS ALL BASED ON 2015 DATA. THESE NUMBERS HAVE ALL BEEN CALCULATED PRIOR TO THE RECENT INFLATIONARY TRENDS IMPACTING CONSUMER GOODS AND WITHOUT CONSIDERATION OF CHANGES IN HOUSING PRICES OVER THIS EXTENSIVE TIME-FRAME OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS. ADDITIONALLY, THE PLAN STATES THAT A GOAL OF INCREASING AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS IS A HIGH PRIORITY, INCLUDING DEVELOPMENT OF NEW OWNERSHIP AND RENTAL UNITS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE TODAY. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. THAT IS OUR REQUEST. THERE WAS A RECENT REPORT THAT CAME OUT BY TEXAS A&M THAT JUST GOT PUBLISHED IN REFERENCE TO THE SECOND QUARTER 2022 DATA. MEDIAN SALES PRICES HAVE GONE UP 16% YEAR OVER YEAR IN TEXAS. THAT'S JUST THIS YEAR. I FORGET WHAT IT WAS LAST YEAR AND THAT'S NOT GOING AWAY. COLLIN COUNTY, IN ADDITION, IS THE SECOND LEAST AFFORDABLE COUNTY IN TEXAS BEHIND ONLY TRAVIS COUNTY. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY, TO TALK ABOUT LOW-IMPACT DEVELOPMENT, TO BRING GREAT WORKFORCE HOUSING TO THE COMMUNITY. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I WANT TO PASS IT ON TO DANIEL TO TALK FURTHER ABOUT OUR PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, EVERYONE. AS WE MOVE FORWARD, WHAT I LIKE TO DO IS HIT SOME OF THE NOTES THAT HE MENONED BUT THEN ALSO TOUCH ON WHAT WE REALLY FEEL ARE STRONG ARGUMENTS FOR OTHER ASPECTS OF ADOPTED ORDINANCES AND PLANS THAT THE CITY OF PLANO HAS. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, SIR, IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE UNITS, THIS WOULD BRING 64 AFFORDABLE UNITS TO THE COMMUNITY, 16 WOULD BE FULLY MARKET RATE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT PLANO'S RENTS TODAY, THAT WOULD MEAN THAT A ONE BEDROOM AT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE $1500 PER MONTH. A TWO BEDROOM WOULD RENT FOR $1950 AND A THREE BEDROOM WOULD BE $2500. THAT'S LARGER THAN A LOT OF MORTGAGE PAYMENTS AND THERE WOULD HAVE TO BEE A COMPELLING REASON FOR AN INDIVIDUAL TO RENT AN APARTMENT IN THIS LOCATION AND THOSE COMPELLING REASONS ARE WHY EVERYBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY AND IN THE SURROUNDING HOMEOWNERS' ASSOCIATIONS WANT TO LIVE THERE IS BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION AND WE WANT TO SHARE THAT WITH OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY. AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THIS IS A COLORED SITE PLAN, WHICH IS THE OPEN SPACE FURTHER. THE OPEN SPACE IS EIMATED TO BE 65% OF T OVERALL SITE. YOU CAN SEE THE ONE-STORY CLUBHOUSE AND THE AMENITY CENTER, AND POOL. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS BUT I DO WANT TO BE BRIEF TO LIMIT OUR TIME HERE. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE 2020 AND 2024 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT'S ADOPTED BY THE CITY OF PLANO TO ADDRESS HUD HOUSING NEEDS, THERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT WE FEEL REALLY TIE BACK TO THAT. SO WE DO FEEL THAT IT DOES FIT WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD JUST BASED ON THE SCALE AND THE FACT THAT GARDEN-STYLE MUIFAMILY IS AN ACCEPTABLE USE IN NEIGHBORHOODS, ALBEIT CURRENTLY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES THAT THERE'S TOO MUCH MULTIFAMILY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING BECAUSE THAT WAS CAPPED AT 20%, WE'RE IN EXCESS OF THAT BY 4.5%. IF YOU LOOK TO THE SPECIAL HOUSING NEEDS POLICY, CREATING AFFORDABLE HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL AS INCREASING JUST THE NUMBER OF OVERALL HOUSEHOLDS IS A KEY IMPERATIVE AS WELL. AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THIS IS LANGUAGE TAKEN DIRECTLY FROM THE RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT THAT WE RECEIVED IN JANUARY OF THIS YEAR. THE CITY OF PLANO HOUSING INFILL PROGRAM ENCOURAGES THE DEVELOPMENT OF REAL PROPERTY FOR LOW AND INCOME HOUSING. IT'S IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST OF THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF PLANO THAT THE APPLICATION BE MADE TO THE TDHCA, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE DONE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE HUD ACTION PLAN, WHICH RANGES FROM 2020 TO 2024, THE GOALS ARE TO PROVIDE DECENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND YOU CAN SEE THE BREAKDOWN THERE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS FOR TWO HOUSEHOLDS. WE'RE LOOKING AT INCREASING THAT SIGNIFICANTLY. CREATING SUITABLE LIVING ENVIRONMENTS AND EXPANDING ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES. AND THAT'S REALLY -- THAT REALLY IS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT WITH THE WORKFORCE HOUSING. THERE'S UPWARD ECONOMIC MOBILITY IN THE PROXIMITY OF COLLIN COUNTY COMMUNITY COLLEGE. THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE GREAT. THE RENT BURDEN PART OF THE EQUATION, THE LESS SOMEBODY IS SPENDING ON RENT, THE MORE THEY CAN SAVE AND ENJOY THAT UPWARD ECONOMIC MOBILITY. THAT IS OUR GOAL. AND AS WE LOOK AT THE STRATEGIC VISION IN 2019, PLANO CITY COUNCIL INCORPORATED HOUSING AFFORDABILITY AS AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF ITS STRATEGIC VISION -- >> SIR, YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> THANK YOU, MA'AM. SO AS WE -- THIS IS IN A REPORT IT WAS ACCEPTED AND PASSED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON THEIR CONSENT AGENDA ON JULY 25th, JUST LAST MONTH, AND HERE ARE THE IMPEDIMENTS TO FAIR HOUSING CHOICE, AND I DON'T NEED TO READ ALL OF THESE BUT WE MEET ESSENTIALLY HALF A DOZEN OF THE ITEMS LISTED HERE. TO INCREASE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN HIGH-OPPORTUNITY AREAS, WHICH IS GENERALLY IDENTIFIED AS AREAS WITH LESS THAN 10% POVERTY, THIS PARTICULAR TRACT IS 3.3%. BUT YET WE FIND THAT STILL WITHIN ONE MILE 35% OF THE RESIDENTS WHO ALREADY LIVE HERE WOULD QUALIFY FOR REDUCED RENTS. I CAN'T OVERSTATE THE IMPORTANCE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WHAT THAT MEANS IN THIS COMMUNITY, IT LOOKS A LOT DIFFERENT AND IT FEELS A LOT DIFFERENT THAN AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN OTHER AREAS THAT ARE MAYBE A LITTLE MORE AFFORDABLE. SO AS WE LOOK TO INCREASE THE SUPPLY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNI, WHICH TIES BACK TO THE SPECIAL HOUSING NEEDS BECAUSE WE WOULD MORE THAN EXCEED BOTH MOBILITY AS WELL AS AUDIO-VISUAL NEEDS FOR THOSE WITH DISABILITIES. AND I'LL MOVE ON BECAUSE WE ARE SHORT ON TIME. AS WE LOOK AT THE OTHER OBSTACLES TO MEETING THE AREAS OF IMPEDIMENT, WE TALK ABOUT LIMITED FUNDING AND HERE WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS TEED UP AND READY TO GO. YOU SAY THE WORD AND WE'RE READY. OKAY, THE TDHCA HAS PROVIDED THEIR SUPPORT AND WE'RE LOOKING AT MAGNIFYING AND MULTIPLYING THE AMOUNT OF DOLLARS. I KNOW THE HUD ACTION PLAN HAS A BUDGET OF ABOUT $4.1 MILLION. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRIPLING OR QUADRUPLING THAT INVESTMENT. THESE ARE QUOTES FROM THE ADOPTED PLANS WHERE THROUGH THE HOUSING TAX CREDIT APPLICATION PROCESS THE CITY SEEKS TO ASSIST DEVELOPERS THAT PROPOSE HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROJECTS IN PLANO BY PROVIDING RESOLUTIONS OF SUPPORT TO OBTAIN FUNDS THROUGH THE TDHCA, WHICH IS WHAT WE HA DONE SUCCESSFULLY. AND HERE IT JUST GOES BACK TO TOUCH ON THE MIX OF USES -- I KNOW I'M RUNNING SHORT ON TIME -- WHERE WE LOOK AT THE SINGLE-FAMILY, WE LOOK AT SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED AS WELL AS MULTIFAMILY. MULTIFAMILY IS ADOPTED TO BE CAPPED AT 20%, WHICH WE'RE ALREADY IN EXCESS OF AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION ON THIS MATTER. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WILL BE CALLING YOU BACK FOR QUESTIONS A LITTLE LATER. >> YES, SIR. >> Chair Downs: SO CAN WE START WITH THE TWO ZOOM INDIVIDUALS FIRST? >> YES. FIRST ONLINE IS CURTIS SLOW. >> Chair Downs: MR. SLOW, CAN YOU HEAR US? THEY'RE WORKING ON IT HERE. OKAY. THERE'S MR. SLOW. WE CAN SEE YOU. YOU'RE MUTED, IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE. >> ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY, CAN Y'ALL HEAR ME? >> Chair Downs: WE CAN. >> THANK Y'ALL. IT JUST SWITCHED ME OVER TO A PANELIST SO THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A LAG. I HAD WRITTEN A LETTER -- IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE PACKET. >> Chair Downs: WOULD YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FIRST AND THEN CONTINUE? >> YEP. SURE. MY NAME IS CURTIS SLOW. DON'T WORRY ABOUT MISPRONOUNCING MY NAME. NOBODY GETS IT CORRECT, NO HARM, NO FOUL. I LIVE AT 3500 BLUEGRASS DRIVE. MY BACKYARD LOOKS PAST O POIN NATURE PRESERVE SO I'M VERY CLOSE TO WHERE THIS DEVELOPMENT IS LOOKING FOR . SO I HAD ACTUALLY WRITTEN A LETTER ON BEHALF OF OUR HOA. I ACTUALLY SERVE AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA BOARD OF TIMBERBROOK ESTATES. WE ARE JUST OVER 800 SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND SO BY MY COUNT, WE'RE ACTUALLY THE LARGEST HOA IN PLANO AND THIS AREA, I MEAN, I'VE LIVED HERE SINCE LATE 2013 AND I'VE BEEN A HOMEOWNER SINCE THEN. MY WIFE AND I BUILT OURIFE HERE. IN SHORT, MY LETTER SPEAKS TO MANY OF OUR CONCERNS BUT I REALLY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THE CONCERNS MENTIONED BY THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC. IF ANYBODY HAS GONE TO JUST SIT AT THIS INTERSECTION WHERE LOS RIOS MEETS JUPITER DURING RUSH HOUR TIME, YOU WILL NOTICE THE LINE OF CARS RUNS FROM JUPITER ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE ENTRANCE TO THE OAK POINT NATURE PRESERVE REC CENTER. IT'S MASSIVE. I KNOW -- I'M NOT SURE IF I KNOW YOUR NAME BUT ONE OF THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS WAS MENTIONING TURNING INTO AND OUT OF -- YOU TAKE A RIGHT ON TO LOS RIOS FROM JUPITER AND THEN YOU HAVE TO WAIT TO GET IN. THAT WILL ALSO IMPEDE A BUNCH OF TRAFFIC ON JUPITER. SO THAT'S A GRAVE CONCERN. NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF TIMES LOS RIOS RIGHT THERE IS CLOSED DOWN FOR 5Ks, FOR DIFFERENT WALKS. WE HAVE THE PLANO BALLOON FESTIVAL THAT HAPPENS SO THIS IS A REALLY HIGH-TRAFFIC AREA AS IT IS. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING THAT BY 80 UNITS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, DOUBLE IT UP AND SOME UNITS ARE GOING TO HAVE THREE CARS. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A BIG INFLUX OF TRAFFIC THAT WILL DEFINITELY HAVE A BIG NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THIS AREA JUST ON THAT ALONE. SECONDLY, I MEAN, IF Y'ALL LOOK AND DRIVE THROUGH HERE, THIS IS A NATURE AREA. THAT'S WHY I CHOSE THIS AREA. >> SIR, YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS. >> PERFECT. MY LAST BIT IS AS MR. MANESH SAID, A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A DIFFERENT DESCRIPTION. MANY OF MY HOMEOWNERS HAVE ACTUALLY TOLD ME THAT IF THIS DOES GET APPROVED, THEY WILL BE PUTTING THEIR HOMES UP FOR SALE AND LEAVING PLANO BECAUSE WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, A JUSTIFIED FEAR OR WHATEVER, THERE'S NO SUPPORT OF THIS WITHIN OUR HOA, WITHIN ME AS A HOMEOWNER. >> SIR -- >> I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. >> SIR, YOUR TIME IS UP. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY FOR HEARING ME. I'M SORRY I WENT OVER BUT Y'ALL CAN REA MY LETTER IN THE PACKET. >> Chair Downs: NEXT SPEAKER PLEASE. >> NEXT IS REBECCA ADMIRKA. >> Chair >> Chair Downs: MA'AM, CAN YOU HEAR US? IS SHE -- OH, THERE SHE IS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. CAN YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> MY NAME IS REBECCA, 6904 EMERALD COAST DRIVE IN PLANO. I'M ON THE HOA, HOA PRESIDENT ACROSS THE STREET ON THE OTHER SIDE OF JUPITER. MY CONCERN -- I APPRECIATE THAT WE DO NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN PLANO AND THE DEVELOPERS MET WITH US EARLIER, AND THIS DEVELOPMENT LOOKS VERY NICE. IT JUST NEEDS TO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE. PARTLY BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC ISSUE. I USED TO COMMUTE DOWN LOS RIOS AND SIT IN LINE FOR 15-20 MINUTES WAITING TO TURN RIGHT. SO, THERE'S DEFINITELY GOING TO BE BACKUP. THEY WILL ALSO USE JUPITER ROAD, GO UP AND MAKE A U-TURN AT TIMBERBROOK. IT'S GOING TO BE FURTHER ACCIDENTS THERE. AND ALSO, AT JUPITER AND -- I'M SORRY, LOS RIOS AND PARKER THERE'S ALWAYS ACCIDENTS AT THAT INTERSECTION, BECAUSE THERE'S A HILL THERE AND YOU CAN'T SEE. MY OTHER BIG CONCERN IS JUST THE GREEN SPACE AND THE NATURE PRESERVE AREA. THAT AREA HOSTS A LOT OF 5Ks AND THE BALLOON FESTIVAL AND EVERYBODY LIKES TO C COME THERE BECAUSE IT'S A NICE, OPEN SPACE. THE PROPERTY WITH THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES CONTINUE VISUALLY. THE WILDLIFE AND THE VISUAL GREEN SPACE MAKES IT A MUCH NICER AREA. IT WILL AFFECT THE WILDLIFE. >> IT'S 8:00. >> Chair Downs: NOT SURE WHAT THAT WAS. GO AHEAD. >> MY COMPUTER TELLS ME THE TIME. >> Chair Downs: OH, OKAY. [ LAUGHING ] EVYBODY. Downs: IT'S 8:00, GO AAD. >> BUT IT WAS JUST -- I THINK THE LAND THERE IS MUCH MORE VISUALLY OPEN, AND IT EXPANDS OAK POINT NATURE PARK. AND I THINK THE TRAFFIC AND BLOCKING OFF -- THERE WON'T BE AS MUCH GREEN SPACE IN THAT AREA. IT'S NOT THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. OKAY. WE'VE MANAGED ZOOM WITH ONLY ONE COMPUTER ALERT. SO LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR SPEAKERS IN-HOUSE. >> YES. NEXT IS PATRICIA COLE. >> Chair Downs: FOR ALL OF YOU THAT ARE SPEAKING, RIGHT OFF THE BAT NAME ADDRESS. >> PATRICIA COAL. MY ADDRESS IS 3636 BRIGHT STAR WAY IN PLANO, 75074. GOOD EVENING. AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. MY FAMILY HAS BEEN HERE SINCE THE 1920s, WHEN I WAS A KID I WAS RAISED IN DALLAS AND I CAME TO SEEY GREAT-GRANDPARENTS HERE AND ALSO MY UNCLE, CHARLIE. CHARLIE AND MAGGIE DOOLEY WERE A PART OF THE CITY AND ITS PLANNING AND THE DOOLEY ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS NAMED FOR HIM. AND WE HAVE RESIDED IN HIS HOME SINCE 1983 UNTIL WE MOVED IN 2012 TO A SMALLER HOME NORTH OF OAK POINT PRESERVE. MY FAMILY HAS A BIG INTEREST IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. FIRST OF ALL, AND FOREMOST, IT IS NOW -- IT IS AGAINST THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PEOPLE SPENT 18 MONTHS IN ORDER TO FORM THAT OUT. IT MAY BE A SMALL PORTION, BUT THEY WORKED EXTREMELY HARD ON IT. IT'S ON THE EDGE OF A FLOODPLAIN. IF WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WITH SOME OF THESE TORRENTIAL RAINS, IT WILL CAUSE A MAJOR DISASTER. I AGREE WITH THE SITUATION ON THE INTERSECTION OF LOS RIOS AND JUPITER, TRYING TO GET ONTO GOING SOUTH ON JUPITER. IT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. YOU HAVE THREE LANES COMING FROM ONE DIRECTION AND THREE FROM ANOTHER AND THERE IS NO LEFT TURN OUT OF THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY. IF YOU -- TO LET YOU KNOW, IT IS 3.1 MILES TO THE NEAREST GOOD GROCERY STORE. CAN YOU IMAGINE SOMEBODY TRAVELING SIX MILES WITH AN INFANT IN HAND WITH NO TRANSPORTATION BECAUSE THE FAMILY EMPLOYER TOOK THE CAR THAT DAY? NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. 20 YEARS AGO, THE SAMARITAN INN ASKED TO COME INTO THE CITY OF PLANO AND PUT A HOUSING UNIT LIKE THEY HAVE TO REHABILITATE PEOPLE ONCE THEY HAVE LOST THEIR JOBS. THEY WERE GOING TO PUT IT OVER BY THE SALVATION ARMY, WHICH IS OFF OF 14TH STREET. THE CITY SAID NO. BUT NOW THE CITY IS SAYING, COME ON, LET'S JUST TAKE EVERY PIECE OF LAND AND STACK AS MANY PEOPLE ON TOP OF IT AS WE CAN. WE ARE OVERPOPULATED WITH HIGH DENSITY. SEVEN UNITS ARE IN THAT AREA ALREADY. THE CONGESTION IS EXTREMELY BAD AND GOING TO BE WORSE, WITH THE NEW PARK THAT'S BEING BUILT RIGHT ON SPRING CREEK AND JUPITER. THAT'S ALREADY MULTI-DENSITY AND WE'VE GOT TWO APARTMENT COMPLEXES RIGHT ON SPRING CREEK. >> MA'AM. >> THEN WE HAVE THE HOUSING WITH THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE RIGHT DOWN JUPITER. IT'S PAST TIME TO SAY NO. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. [ APPLAUSE ] >> NEXT IS MARK. >> Chair Downs: PLEASE CALL THE NEXT THREE SPEAKERS. AND IF YOU WOULD, COME ON DOWN WHEN SHE CALLS YOUR NAME AND GRAB A SEAT DOWN FRONT SO THAT IT'S QUICKER TO THEODIUM. SO, THE FIRST SPEAKER WAS? >> MARK NEWCOME AND THEN LINDA, AND SHAMIR LAWRENCE, HAVE A SEAT AND WAIT YOUR TIME. >> Chair Downs: WHERE'S LINDA? THERE'S ONE OF THEM. WHO'S THE OTHER ONE? YES, PLEASE COME ON DOWN FRONT JUST SO IT'S QUICKER THIS WAY. MARK. >> MARK NEWCOME, 7025 TWIN PONDS IN TIMBERBROOK ESTATES. I HAD ONE GRAPHIC THAT WE PUT UP. NO. CLOSE. OKAY. BASICALLY, YOU SHOT MY THREE MINUTES DOWN TO ALMOST NOTHING WITH EVERYONE ELSE SAYING THE SAME THING, SO I'LL SUMMARIZE A COUPLE PIECES OF DATA. ONE THING THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE PLANO ISD AND THE ADDITIONAL STUDENTS, PLANO ISD IS HUGE. AND I WANT TO KNOW IF A STUDY HAS BEEN DONE TO THE SCHOOLS AROUND THIS AREA OF LOS RIOS AND JUPITER, BECAUSE SPREADING 160 STUDENTS THROUGH THE ISD MAY SOUND GOOD, BUT LOCALIZED TO THIS AREA, HOW WILL THAT AFFECT? PEOPLE MENTIONED THE FLOODPLAIN. SPECIFIC DATA THAT WAS IN THE SITE DATA TABLE SAID THAT CURRENTLY THERE'S OVER 53% OF THE PROPERTY IS IN A FLOODPLAIN AND THE PROPOSAL WILL REDUCE IT TO 12%. THE QUESTIONS ARE HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE REDUCED? PEOPLE MENTIONED FLOODING. THEY ARE RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE NATURE PRESERVE, WHICH DOES FLOOD SEVERELY WHEN THERE IS A LOT OF RAIN. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT ADDITIONAL FLOODWATER GOING INTO THE PRESERVE. YOU CAN MAKE BLANKET STATEMES OUT PROPERTY VALUE, BUT WITHOUT HARD DATA, YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE THOSE STATEMENTS. WHAT ARE THE STANDARDS THAT THE COMPLEX WILL GIVE YOU COMPARED TO THE HOAS AROUND, WHICH DO HAVE STANDARDS IN ORDER TO KEEP OUR MAINTENANCE, OUR APPEARANCE, AND TAX AND PROPERTY VALUES. SO, THERE'S A SCREENSHOT FROM THIS MORNING. I CAN HOLD IT UP, GIVE YOU THE SAME IDEA. THE RED, THIS IS BASED ON THE SURVEY THAT WAS DONE BY ASKING THE PEOPLE HOW THEY WOULD VOTE. AND THE NUMBERS WERE GIVEN AT JUST UNDER 800 PEOPLE HAVE RESPONDED. AND CLEARLY, THERE WERE SIX OR EIGHT PEOPLE THAT HAVE VOTED FOR IT. THE MAJORITY HAVE VOTED AGAINST IT. AND THIS IS ALL THE PEOPLE SURROUNDING THE BLUE AREA, WHICH IS THE AREA OF INTEREST. EVERYONE ELSE IN THE GENERAL NEIGHBORHOOD HAS SAID NO, WHICH TO ME, IT SHOULD BE A CLEAR SIGNAL TO THE COMMITTEE THAT THIS IS NOT A GOOD IDEA AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU, MR. . NEXT SPEAKER. [ APPLAUSE ] >> GET MOVING, HUH? OKAY. I'M HERE. >> Chair Downs: THERE'S NO NEED TO JOG. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE, I'M LINDA, 2701 TIMBERBROOK DRIVE. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPEN SESSION. CAN YOU HEAR ME IN THE BACK? BECAUSE I MISSED OUT ON A LOT. GOOD? OKAY. I DON'T WANT THEM TO MISS OUT ON ME EITHER. SERIOUSLY. INITIALLY, I WAS RELUCTANT TO OPPOSE THIS REZONING PROJECT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I THOUGHT, WHO AM I TO OBSUCT OTHERS' ACCESS TO WHERE TO LIVE? WELL, I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS FOR QUITE A WHILE. I SLEPT ON IT. I THOUGHT ABOUT IT. AND THEN I REALIZED, THIS IS NOT ABOUT DEPRIVING ANYONE TO FEAR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE REAL ISSUE HERE. THE REAL ISSUE IS THE INAPPROPRIATE USE OF THAT LAND ON THE CORNER OF JUPITER AND LOS RIOS, RIGHT SMACK IN THE MIDDLE OF OAK POINT PARK NATURE PRESERVE. IT'S SMACK IN THE MIDDLE. INOW IT'S NOT PART OF THE PARK, BUT IT'S SMACK IN THE MIDDLE IN MY VIEW, OBVIOUSLY. AT THAT BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL PARK THAT TOOK OVER 20 YEARS TO FULLY DEVELOP. 20 YEARS FROM ME AND MY NEIGHBORS TO ENJOY AND REAP THE BENEFIT OF ITS FREE-FLOWING BEAUTY. SO, YES, IT'S INAPPROPRIATE TO ALLOW CEMENT HOUSING ON THAT CORNER, WHETHER IT'S AFFORDABLE, UNAFRDABLE, OR A HOTEL. IT WOULD BE LIKE ME PARKING AN 18-WHEELER IN MY DRIVEWAY OR HAVING A PET COW IN MY FRONT YARD -- INAPPROPRIATE. I ALSO FIND IT INAPPROPRIATE AND WITHOUT INSULT TO THE COMMISSION, I FIND IT CONCERNING THAT YOU WOULD EVEN CONSIDER SUCH A PROJECT. AND YOU WOULD ACTUALLY -- IF YOU WOULD ACTUALLY APPROVE AN APARTMENT COMPLEX ON THAT CHARMING SEVEN ACRES OF LAND. SURELY THERE ARE OTHER LOCATIONS APPROPRIATE FOR THIS LOVELY HOUSING PROJECT THATHEY' TRYING TO PRESENT. THANK YOU. HOW DID I DO, THREE MINUTES? [ APPLAUSE ] >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. >> WHILE SHAMIR COMES TO THE PODIUM, CAN I HAVE CASSANDRA, LA TRICIA WOODS, AND BRIDGET NORRIS COME DOWN. >> HI, GOOD EVENING, SHAMIR LAWRENCE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY AND OUTREACH FOR INCLUSIVE COMMUNITIES, 3301 ELM STREET IN DALLAS TEXAS 75226. I'M HERE SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE ZONING CHANGE. THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NEEDED IN PLANO. THAT'S NOT DEBATABLE. ON A DAILY BASIS, I PROVIDE COUNSELING TO COUNTLESS FAMILIES WHO ARE SEEKING SAFE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND A DECENT PLACE TO LIVE. THEY CALL ME DAILY. MANY OF THEM LIVE IN PLANO AND WANT TO REMAIN IN PLANO IF THEY HAVE TO MOVE. THERE'S ALSO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO MOVE TO PLANO, BECAUSE THEY WANT, LIKE I SAID, SAFE AND DECENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THEY ALSO WANT GREAT SCHOOLS. THEY WANT THOSE JOB OPPORTUNITIES THATOU ALL HAVE HEARD ABOUT EARLIER. AND THIS DEVELOPMENT IS CLOSE TO THOSE GREAT SCHOOLS. IT'S CLOSE TO THE JOB OPPORTUNITIES AND RECREATIONAL AMENITIES. SO WHY SHOULDN'T PEOPLE WHO NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING BE ABLE TO ACCESS THAT? SO, ADDRESSING THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS IN PLANO AND GIVING FAMILIES LIKE YOURS AND MINE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE A PART OF ALL THIS GREAT CITY HAS TO OFFER IS IN MY OPINION THE BEST USE OF THIS LAND. SO, I ASK YOU TO SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION AND I THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. >> CASSANDRA BOLT. >> HELLO. CASSANDRA BOLE, 4120 SENORA DRIVE PLANO 75074. I DON'T LIVE VERY CLOSE TO THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, BUT I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN WATCHING A LOT OF PLANNING AND ZONING ACTIVITIES. I SEE THE SIGNS, AND I RESEARCH THEM. I AM VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE FLOODPLAIN. MY NUMBERS THAT I GOT FROM THE SECOND SITE PLANHOW THAT WE'RE GEING A 41.8% REDUCTION IN FLOODPLAIN BECAUSE THERE'S SOME PARTICULAR MITIGATION PLANS IN PLACE. I AM CURIOUS ABOUT HOW THAT WOULD HAPPEN WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TAKING OUT PERMABLE LAND AND PUTTING IN CONCRETE -- 160 PARKING PLACES. I DID SEE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF GREEN SPACE THAT'S REQUIRED WITHIN THE ACTUAL PARKING LOTS, BUT THAT'S STILL ONLY 22% OF THE ORIGINAL PLOT WILL BE PERMABLE. SO, I'VE BEEN VERY INVOLVED WITH THE ROWLETT CREEK WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT. THAT IS A LOT CLOSER TO MY HOUSE. I DON'T THINK THAT THERE HAS BEEN A STORM WATER RUNOFF ANALYSIS BY NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT. PERHAPS, PERHAPS NOT. I HAVEN'T CHECKED THE MINUTES FOR THEIR LAST FEW MEETINGS. THE ROWLETT CREEK WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT WILL BE AFFECTED. THIS EXTRA RUNOFF IS GOING TO GT WILL GO INTO ROWLETT CREEK. AND THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT CANNOT TAKE THAT EXTRA. BUT, IN ANY EVENT, I DID WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION, THERE WAS A STORM WATER POLLUTION BASICS ARTICLE I FOUND ON PLANO.GOV TODAY. IT STATED, APRIL 2005. BUT I THINK IT BRINGS TO LIGHT THE SITE PLANNING IS MORE FAVORABLE TO LESSENING STORM WATER DRAINAGE. THE SITE PLAN FOR ZONING CASE 2022-011 AND THE PLANS FOR MANY OF THE PREVIOUSLY BUILT MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS REALLY FAILED TO BE CREATIVE IN PLANNING AND DESIGN SO THAT SOMETHING AKIN TO THIS -- AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T SEE IT, BUT IT IS IN THE PACKET THAT I SENT EARLIER -- A LITTLE BIT MORE MEANDERING, PARKING SPACES, MORE GREEN SPACE. I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING DEVELOPED IN PLANO THAT ACTUALLY ADHERES TO SOMETHING MORE LIKE THIS. AND I THINK THERE'S SOME REALLY -- WISDOM IN THAT PARTICULAR DOCUMENT, AND I THINK THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO GET SOME -- LOOK AT THAT SOME. >> MA'AM, YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS. >> 30 SECONDS. THE PARK AND THE APARTMENTS AT PARK BOULEVARD, AVENUE K WILL BE AVAILABLE SOON. THERE MAY BE SOME AVAILABILITY AT THE OPAL DEVELOPMENT. AND PLEASE DON'T GET ME WRONG, I AM ABSOLUTELY -- WANT TO NOTE THAT I AM NOT IN OPPOSITION TO AFFORDABILITY FAMILY HOUSING. WHY BUILD SUCH AN IMPORTANT THING IN SOMETHING THAT IS STILL FLOODPLAIN? I THINK IT SHOULD BE REJECTED. THERE ARE PLACES THAT WOULD BE VERY MUCH MORE DESIRABLE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, MIXED USE. WE'VE GOT A 75% AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO -- >> MA'AM, YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE UP. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU, MA'AM. [ APPLAUSE ] >> Chair Downs: WHO'S NEXT? >> WE HAVE LATRICIA WOODS. >> Chair Downs: AND THEN? >> THEN WE HAVE BRIDGET NORRIS. SO, IF WE COULD HAVE DONNA PRY PRYOR AND ANDREW COME DOWN, THEY WILL BE OUR FINAL SPEAKERS. >> THANK YOU, I'M LATRICIA WOODS, MEMBER OF THE INCLUSIVE COMMUNITIES PROJECT, CLIENT ADVISORY BOARD LOCATED AT 3301 ELM STREET IN DALLAS, TEXAS, 750226. I AM A RESIDENT OF PLANO AND I HAVE BEEN FOR THE LAST 18 YEARS. I AM IN FAVOR OF THE ZONING CHANGE, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A GREAT USE OF LAND AND WELL-RESOURCED FOR POVERTY-INCOME PEOPLE. MR. OLLEY, IS THAT HOW YOU PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME? SORRY ABOUT THAT. YOU ASKED WHAT WAS THE DEFINITION OF LOW-INCOME. AND I REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW TO FEEL RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE I HEARD SOME SHOUTS OUT THAT REFERENCED SECTION 8. SO, I WANT TO SPEAK FROM MY HEART TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT I CAME FROM PLANO. I CAME FROM DALLAS TO PLANO 18 YEARS AGO WITH THREE LITTLE BOYS. IT WAS LITERALLY LIKE MOVIG FROM A FOREIGN LAND. I CAME FROM THE INNER CITIES OF DALLAS. WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THIS. SO, I WILL SPEAK ON THE TESTAMENT OF WHAT PLANO DID FOR ME. YOU GUYS ALLOWED ME THE OPPORTUNITY BY STAYING IN DEVELOPMENT LAND THAT SERVICED HA THE FULL INCOME. NOT QUITE YOU ALLOWED ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO COLLEGE. I GOT MY ASSOCIATE'S DEGREE. I MOVED AND GOT MY UNDERGRAD DEGREE FROM UAT. AND WITH THAT, I AM NOW IN GRADUATE SCHOOL FINISHING UP ONE SEMESTER FOR SOCIAL WORK. THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE DRIVE OF MOVING OUT HERE. YOU GUYS SHOWED ME SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T SEE GROWING UP. THAT MEANS MORE TO ME THAN AN ARGUMENT ON WANTING TO SEE NATURE, WANTING TO KEEP VIEW OF A PARK. YOU GUYS AFFORDED ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE AMONG YOU, AND TO GROW, AND TO LEARN, AND TO WATCH THREE BOYS -- THREE BLACK BOYS WALK ACROSS THE HIGH SCHOOL STAGE. THAT'S WHAT YOU DID FOR ME. >> YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS. >> SO, I SUPPO THIS APPLICATION. I SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT. I SUPPORT THIS, BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT IT DID FOR ME AND WHAT IT CAN DO FOR OTHERS. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. >> NEXT IS BRIDGET MORRIS -- NORRIS, I'M SORRY. >> THAT'S OKAY. GOOD EVENING. BRIDGET NORRIS, A MEMBER OF ITP, INCLUSIVE. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. >> I'M SORRY, INCLUSIVE COMMUNITIES PROJECT, CLIENT ADVISORY BOARD. AND I'M HERE ANDPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE ZONING CHANGE. >> Chair Downs: WHERE DO YOU LIVE? >> I'M SORRY, I SKIPPED ALL THAT. I'M SORRY. >> Chair Downs: THAT'S ALL RIGHT. >> I'M TRYING TO HURRY UP. MY ADDRESS IS 3301 ELM STREET, DALLAS TEXAS 75226. I'M SORRY. >> Chair Downs: THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. >> I'M TRYING TO FINISH UP TOO FAST. >> Chair Downs: YOU'VE GOT TIME. >> I'M HERE IN FAVOR OF SPEAKINF THE ZONING CHANGE, BECAUSE APARTMENTS WOULD BE A GOOD FIT FOR THE LOCATION AND THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD PROVIDE EQUAL, AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE IN A GREAT PLACE IN PLANO. I WAS A PLANO RESIDENT, BUT I'M NO LONGER A PLANO RESIDENT BECAUSE I HAD TO MOVE AFTER SEARCHING FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR SIX MONTHS. BUT IF I COULD, I WOULD STILL LIVE IN PLANO, BECAUSE I MISS IT. THERE IS GREAT PEOPLE HERE. THE SCHOOLS ARE GREAT. THERE'S MANY JOB OPPORTUNITIES. AND THE LIVING IS REALLY NICE. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHO'S NEXT? >> NEXT IS DONNA PRYOR. >> HELLO, GOOD EVENING, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS DONNA PRYOR, A MEMBER OF THE INCLUSIVE COMMUNITIES PROJECT, CLIENT ADVISORY BOARD, LOCATED AT 3301 ELM STREET IN DALLAS TEXAS. I AM HERE SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THIS ZONING CHANGE BECAUSE THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE IN A GOOD RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, AND GROCERY STORES. I'VE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC, FLOODING, AND USE OF LAND, BUT WHAT I DIDN'T HEAR IS T NEED FOR PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN. I USED TO LIVE IN THIS AREA. I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AMENITIES OF EAST PLANO. DUE TO THE CONVENIENCE AND ACCESSIBILITY OF THESE AMENITIES, I WAS ABLE TO UTILIZE OPPORTUNITIES TO IMPROVE MYSELF AND MY CHILDREN'S LIVES. CURRENTLY, I AM NEARING COMPLETION OF A MASTER'S PROGRAM. EVIDENCED BY MY ACCOMPLISHMENTS, MOVING TO PLANO FROM A LOW-INCOME AREA THAT WAS RAVISHED WITH POVERTY OPENED EDUCATIONAL DOORS AND OFFERED JOBS THAT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE HAD I NOT RELOCATED TO PLANO. [ COUGHING ] MY CHILDREN ATTENDED THE SCHOOLS NEARBY AND GRADUATED FROM EAST PLANO. PEOPLE LIVING IN THIS AREA HAVE ACCESS TO SEVERAL GROCERY STORES AND LOTS OF SHOPPING SELECTIONS. I DO NOT WANT TO FAIL TO MENTION THE GREAT COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES AND EVENTS THAT PROVIDE THE SPACE FOR FAMILY TIME AND CONNECTING. BECAUSE WE LIVED IN THIS AREA, MY CHILDREN AND I WERE FORTUNATE TO EXPERIENCE THE BENEFITS OF PLANO'S LIBRARY A RECREATIONAL FACILITIES NEARBY, WHICH WAS VITAL TO THEIR GROWTH AND LEARNING DEVELOPMENT. PLANO HAS SO MUCH TO OFFER TO FAMILIES LIKE MINE WHO HAVE STRUGGLED TO OVERCOME THE BARRIERS OF OPPRESSION AND DISCRIMINATION SOCIETY HAS FORMED AGAINST US. I SUPPORT THIS APPLICATION. THIS DEVELOPMENT AND APARTMENT COMPLEX IS A GREAT LOCATION FOR SOMEONE TO LIVE AND IT WILL PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOW-INCOME FAMILIES TO THRIVE, LIKE MY FAMILY DID. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHAREY COMMENTS WITH YOU TODA [ APAUSE ] >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. >> ANDREW. >> Chair Downs: SIR, I SEE YOU. DON'T -- IT'S GOOD. GO AHEAD. >> MY NAME IS ANDREW, I LIVE AT 3325 TIMBERBROOK DRIVE IN PLANO. I'M LESS THAN A MILE FROM THIS LOCATION. I DRIVE BY IT EVERY DAY. I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE LOW-INCOME HOUSING. I LOVE THEIR DESIGN. IT'S JUST NOT THE RIGHT PLACE DUE TO THE FLOODING ISSUES. THEYE GOING TO CHANGE IT UP. IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO AFFECT PEOPLE TO THE SOUTH, IT'S ALSO GOING TO WHACK UP WATER INTO TIMBERBROOK ESTATES. AND THEY'VE NARROWED IT. THEY'VE ADDED WATER TO PILE IN. AND THEY'VE DONE NOTHING TO SAY WELL, HERE'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT FROM CAUSING ISSUES ELSEWHERE. HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS, IF THEY DO THAT, THEY PUT IN CATCH PONDS TO TRY TO REDUCE THE EFFECT. AS OTHERS HAVE ALREADY INDICATED, IT'S NOT JUST THE TRAFFIC DAY IN, DAY OUT ATHIS TERSECON. 'S THE BLOOM FESTIVAL THAT SHUTS DOWN STREETS. IT'S THE BIKING. IT'S THE 5K AND 10K RUNS. ALL THAT TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE BLOCKED AT VARIOUS TIMES FROM GOING SOUTH AND ALL HAVE TO HIT NORTH. AND THAT'S ALREADY A NIGHTMARE. SO, I LOVE THE PLAN. IT'S JUST NOT A GOOD LOCATION UNLESS WE COME UP WITH SOME OTHER WAY TO GET PEOPLE IN AND OUT. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [ APPLAUSE ] >> Chair Downs: OKAY. WE'VE HAD SOME NEW CARDS. >> WE HAVE SOME NEW SPEAKERS. JAJASMINE ALEXANDER. >> I SIGNED UP ONLINE. IT DIDN'T SHOW ME FOR SOME REASON. MY NAME IS JASMINE, 6913 JASPER DRIVE, TIMBERBROOK ESTATES. WHAT I WANT TO NOTE HERE, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT LIVE OUTSIDE OF PLANO AND THEY DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY PLANO IS THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE. I MOVED FROM MESQUITE TO SOUTH GARLAND TO HERE, SO I LIVED IN DALLAS COUNTY. DALLAS COUNTY TAXES YOU UNDER THE ROOF. SO PLANO IS AFFORDABLE. WFAA, THE WEBSITE, NAMED TIMBERBROOK ESTATES THE TOP FIVE MOST AFFORDABLE NEIGHBORHOOD IN TEXAS. NOW, SAN ANTONIO, WE KNOW WHAT SAN ANTONIO LOOKS LIKE. WHEN I MOVED HERE, I DOUBLED MY RENT BUT MY TAXES AND COMMUTE WENT DOWN. SOME PEOPLE ARE HITTING YOU WITH EMOTIONAL TACTICS, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT DALLAS, WHEN YOU GO DOWNTOWN, AND THEY WANT TO BRING UP BLACK PEOPLE, ALL OF THEM ARE UNDER A BRIDGE. SO, DON'T LISTEN TO THE O THAT. I HAVE TWO KIDS. THIS IS THE FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD I MOVED TO IN PLANO THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANY PEDOPHILES AROUND. THE FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD I COULD SAY, Y'ALL CAN GO OUTSIDE. IT'S A NICE NEIGHBORHOOD. WHEN I GO TO THE TOP OF THE HILL IN LOS RIOS, I SEE THE SUNSET, COWBOYS, GIRLS RIDING HORSES, BEAUTY. OAK POINT IS BIGGER THAN NEW YORK CENTRAL PARK. WE DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE NEW YORK CENTRAL PARK. THEY'RE BUILDING AN ALLEY ON JUPITER. THEY'VE GOT MORE HOUSING RIGHT THERE. HOUSING IS GOING TO CAUSE EVEN MORE TRAFFIC. ON MY WAY HERE I WAS COMING UP SPRING CREEK TO GO TO K AVENUE. I SAW A MAN WALKING, BECAUSE IT'S A FAR DISTANCE, WALKING. HIS PANTS WERE FALLING DOWN TO HIS KNEES. I COULD SEE HIS THIGHS. IT WAS HEAT EXHAUSTION. IF YOU LOOK AROUND HERE, YOU PUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOWN HERE ON THE SOUTH END OF 75074, CRIME WENT UP, THINGS ARE GETTING STOLEN, PEOPLE ARE MOVING OUT. I HAVE AN ECONOMICS DEGREE. I AM A REALTOR. WHEN YOU DO THIS YOU'RE GOING TO VEN ECONOMIC HIT. THESE PEOPLE FROM THE OUTSIDE ARE DOING A HIT ON PLANO. EVERYBODY SELLS OFF. AND THE VALUE OF THE HOUSES GO DOWN. THEY PLUM METH. P PLUMET. PEOPLE MOVING IN, PAYING $600 A MONTH, WILL NEVER WANT TO LEAVE THE BEST SPOT. YOU'LL DO WHATEVER YOU CANNOT TO SHOW UP ON THE INCOME REQUIREMENTS. IT'S EITHER YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SELL DRUGS, MOVE OTHER PEOPLE IN, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT IT ON THERE. THAT IS GOING TO BE A HE. EN YOU'VE GOT TO TNK ABOUT THE GATE. THE GATE CAN BREAK, TRAFFIC. THE PEOPLE WITH LOWER INCOME, IT'S A FAR WALK. WE'VE HAD EXTREME WEATHER, EXTREME HEAT, EXTREME FREEZING COLDNESS. NOW, THE CITY OF DALLAS, THEY BURNED DOWN THEIR CITY. WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT WITH PLANO. WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH BLAND TO BUILD ON. PEOPLE ARE MOVING TO FRISCO. WE COULD LOSE ALL OUR TALENT. >> SIR, YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS. >> WHAT I WANT YOU TO KNOW IS THAT EVEN THOUGH, YES, I'M FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WE HAVE IT, WE HAVE MUCH LOWER TAX RATES. WE HAVE LESS IN GAS WHEN YOU MOVE HERE BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO FAR. I HAVE THREE TARGETS WITHIN FIVE MILES OF EACH WAY. DALLAS DOESN'T DO THAT. THEY DON'T ZONE AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHY PLANO IS THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE SO YOU SHOULDN'T LISTEN TO THEM. AND THAT'S FROM ME. [ APPLAUSE ] >> NEXT, WE HAVE PAUL MANN, AND IF LAPRETO COULD COME DOWN AND WAIT THE NEXT TURN. >> MY NAME IS PAUL MANN, I LIVE ON 6612 JUPITER ROAD. I AM THE MOST DIRECTLY CONNECTD NEIGHBOR TO THIS PROPERTY. ALL THE BOUNDARY LINE ON THE NORTH SIDE IS MY PROPERTY. I HAVE LIVED THERE SINCE '97. I BUILT MY HOUSE IN 2000. WHERE I LIVE NOW. BE SHOWING HERE, THE TRAFFICHE WILL BE THIS AND THAT WAY, THEY ARE STUDIES. I'VE LIVED IT FOR 20 YEARS. TRAFFIC IS BAD AT THE LOS RIOS AND JUPITER INTERSECTION. WE HAVE TO WAIT. ESPECIALLY I AM THE ODD EXAMPLE BECAUSE I AM IN THE MIDDLE OF TIMBERBROOK AND LOS RIOS. I HAVE TO MAKE A U-TURN TO GET OUT OF MY HOUSE AND ON LOS RIOS TO GET INTO MY HOUSE. LIKE THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT MENTIONED, WHEN THEY HAVE A BIKE CLUB RACE, OR SOME OTHER EVENT PLANNED, FOR THREE OR FOUR HOURS I CANNOT GET INTO MY HOUSE. EVEN WHEN I GO TO THE BARRIER AND TELL THE POLICE OFFICER ON DUTY, SIR, THAT'S MY HOUSE, I NEED TO GO IN -- SORRY, FIND A DIFFERENT WAY. AND THERE'S NO OTHER DIFFERENT WAY FOR ME TO GO BUT ON JUPITER ROAD. THAT'S FINE. I HAVE LIVED WITH IT. AND SOONER OR LATER, THINGS WILL GET BETTER. BUT IF THIS THING GOES THROUGH, IT WILL NOT GET BETTER. TRAFFIC IS BAD. IT WILL GET WORSE. AND ANOTHER THING I WANT TO THROW OUT FOR CONSIDERATION. ON THAT SITE, I OWN 7 1/2 ACRES, THE SAME SIZE, TO THE NORTH, THIS T HAS A COMMON BOUNDARY WIH ME. I DON'T HAVE -- RUNNING OUT OF THAT LOT. IT'S ALL DEVELOPABLE. WE, MYSELF, MR. BUCHANAN, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, MR. BENNETT WHO OWNED 25 ACRES TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY -- IF WE ALSO COME BACK AFTER THIS ZONING APPROVES AND APPLY FOR THE SAME ? AND I CAN TELL YOU THIS PROPERTY RIGHT NOW IS A BUFFER BETWEEN TIMBERBROOK AND THIS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. WHEN I DEVELOP MY SEVEN ACRES, ALL THOSE BUILDINGS WILL BE LOOKING INTO TIMBERBROOK RESIDENTS' BACKYARDS. AND IF MR. BENNETT JOINS ME, WE DEVELOP ALL THIS, YOU HAVE 30 ACRES OF CONCRETE AND DEVELOPMENT AND APARTMENTS RIGHT ACROSS THE PARK. >> SIR, YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS. >> SO, I AM KEEPING THE PROPERTY. I HAVE GOT AN OFFER ON MY LAND, ALSO. I'M NOT GOING FOR IT. I WILL PREFER A SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING WHICH IS ALREADY ON THIS PROPERTY. IF MY -- IN MY LIFETIME OR AFTER MY TIME, MY KIDS WANT TO DEVELOP THAT, IT SHOULD ALWAYS STAY NO MORE THAN SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, OR WE WILL RUIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE EVERYBODY SAID. I WILL NOT DO ANYTHING IF SINGLE-FAMILY STAYS. IF SINGLE-FAMILY GOES AWAY, I WILL APPLY FOR THE SAME ZONING AND IT WILL BE 180 HOMES. [ APPLAUSE ] >> THAT WAS SCARY. MY NAME IS -- 6604 JUPITER ROAD. THAT YELLOW LINE AT THE TOP TOUCHES MY FENCE. SO I'M THEIR DIRECT NEIGHBOR. MOST OF THE POINTS I WAS GOING TO BRING UP TODAY HAVE ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT, SO I WON'T RETOUCH ON THOSE, BUT I GUESS MORE OF A PERSONAL MATTER. WHEN MY WIFE AND I DECIDED TO ILD OUR HOM THERE, IT WAS DONE UNDER THE PRETENSE THAT OUR NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBORS, WE KNEW SOMEDAY THERE WOULD BE HOMES BUILT THERE OR SOMETHING. WE DIDN'T LOOK THAT, THIS COULD CHANGE AND THERE COULD BE A BUNCH OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES OR TOWNHOMES WITH THAT W BIG OF A DENSITY NEXT TO US. IT SCARES US, BECAUSE IT'S COMPLETELY ON THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION OF WHAT WE REALLY WANTED. AND AGAIN, THAT'S A PERSONAL MATTER, SO TAKE THAT WITH A GRAIN OF SALT. BUT SOMETHING ELSE I WANT TO TEXAS, IN SECTION 8 HOUSING.S, I KNOW HOW THOSE DEVELOPMENTS GET. I KNOW THEY'RE SAYING THIS IS NOT SECTION 8 HOUSING, BUT THEY'RE USING EMOTIONAL TACTICS LIKE THAT GENTLEMAN SAID. IT'S JUST NOT THE RIGHT PLACE. THERE'S NO OTHER WORDS FOR IT. THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT PLACE. I REALLY WISH WE COULD FIND ANOTHER PLACE ON THIS STREET OR IN THE AREA, BUT IT'S LITERALLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE NATURE PRESERVE. IT MAKES ZERO SENSE FOR US TO BUILD -- OR THEM TO BUILD ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE IN THAT AREA. I'M SORRY, BUT THAT'S THE FACT. THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [ APPLAUSE ] >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. IS THAT IT? >> THAT IS IT. >> I DID REGISTER TO SIGN UP ONLINE, AND I DID GET AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT YOU RECEIVED MY CONFIRMATION. MY NAME IS ANNE. >> I DID, ALSO. DALE. >> I HAVE REGISTERED OPINIONS, BUT NOT TO SPEAK. BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK . . . >> I HAVE THE EMAIL SAYING THAT -- >> Chair Downs: IF YOU WANT TO EAK, YOU WILL BE HEARD. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK, YOU WILL B HEARD. SO, MA'AM, JUST MAKE SURE IF YOU'VE GOT ALL OF HER INFORMATION. >> OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. MY NAME IS ANNE LOT. I WON'T BE LONG, BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY HAS ALREADY BEEN STATED. BUT I DO WANT TO SPEAK TO ONE THING. I AM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR THE INCLUSIVE COMMUNITIES PROJECT LOCATED AT 3301 ELM STREET IN DALLAS, TEXAS. IT'S TRUE. I DON'T LIVE IN PLANO. BUT I AM HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE MORE THAN 400 FAMILIES THAT WE HAVE THAT CURRENTLY LIVE IN THE CITY OF PLANO. AND I WILL NOT TRY TO APPEAL TO YOUR EMOTIONS. THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS. BUT I DO FEEL THE NEED TO TELL YOU THAT THE CHARACTERIZATION OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE SERVE AS CRIMINALS, DRUG DEALERS, AND PET COWS IS A BIT MUCH. AND THAT'S NOT APPEALING TO EMOTION, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT WHILE THIS PLAN MAY NOT FIT SQUARELY WITHIN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT DOES FIT WITHIN YOUR CONSOLIDATED PLAN. AND YOUR CONSOLIDATED PLAN STATES THAT YOU RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IT STATES THAT YOU RECOGNIZE THAT BY PUTTING THIS KIND OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN HIGH-OPPORTUNITY AREAS, YOU ARE REMOVING AND AMELIORATING SOME OF THE BARRIERS TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND IT'S FOR THAT REASON THAT I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT IT. PLANO MAY HAVE LOTS OF MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. I DON'T DOUBT THAT THERE IS. BUT THERE'S NOT VERY MUCH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND THIS KIND OF HOUSING IS NEEDED FOR ALL THE REASONS IS REASONSSTATED BEFORE AND ALL THE REASONS THIS COMMUNITY LIVES HERE AND LOVES THIS AREA NOW. THERE ARE LOTS OF OTHER FAMILIES WHO WOULD APPRECIATE THE SAME OPPORTUNITIES. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HEARING MY REMARKS. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. AND YOUR NAME, SIR? >> DALE BUCHANAN, 3009 MORTEN MORTENVALE, ADJACENT TO THE OPERTY I HAVE 6.3 ACES. >> Chair Downs: DO YOU HAVE HIS INFORMATION? THANK YOU, SIR. GO AHEAD. >> I BOUGHT THE PROPERTY IN 1997, BUILT A HOME THERE. IT BURNED DOWN IN 2021. I HAD THE CHOICE OF REBUILING OR SELLING THE LAND FOR A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY, OR REBUILDING OUR SINGLE HOME. I CHOSE TO DO THAT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AROUND ME. I WOULD NOT HAVE MADE THAT TYPE OF INVESTMENT KNOWING THAT THIS WOULD POSSIBLY BE MULTIFALY. MOST PEOPLE HAVE MADE THE SAME POINTS. I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY SAY THAT. THE OTHER THING IS, IT WOULD BE NICE IF EAST PLANO'S ALWAYS GOT THE STIGMA OF BEING THE WRONG SIDE OF THE TRACKS. I'VE LIVED ON THE WEST SIDE, EAST SIDE. IT WOULD BE NICE IF THE WEST SIDE HAD SOME OF THIS. THANK YOU. [ APPLAUSE ] >> THANK YOU FOR REBUILDING YOUR HOUSE. >> ON AGENDA ITEM 2A, WE HAD TOTAL OF EIGHT IN SUPPORT AND 14 IN OPPOSITION THAT REGISTERED THEIR OPINIONS. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A DIFFERENT SPEAKER ON 2B? >> NO. THE PERSON THAT REGISTERED -- SORRY, LET ME FIND IT HERE -- CASSANDRA HAD ALREADY SPOKE ON 2A. >> Chair Downs: OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY. I'D LIKE THE APPLICANT, YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO WRAP UP AND MAKE ANY COMMENTS OR . . . YOU'RE NOT FORCED TO, BUT. >> YEAH, SURE. I THINK THAT -- THANKS, EVERYONE, FOR THEIR COMMENTS. WE APPRECIATE THAT. WE HAVE -- WE DID MAKE GOOD FAITH EFFORTS TO ENGAGE WITH THE SURROUNDING HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS, WITH CURTIS AND BECKY, WHO WE HEARD FROM BOTH OF THEM TODAY. WE UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES WHEN IT COMES TO MULTIFAMILY REGARDLESS OF WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE OR NOT, OR MARKET RATE, WHICH WE ALSO HAVE EXPERIENCE IN. SO, REALLY JUST BACK TO THE SCALE, I KNOW -- I'LL TRY TO HIT ON SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE TOUCHED ON A MULTITUDE OF TIMES WITH REGARD TO TRAFFIC. WE KNOW THERE'S A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT PLANNED TO KICK OFF LATER THIS FALL, IS MY UNDERSTANDING. UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T CONTROL THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS IN THE CITY OF PLANO. IT SOUNDS LIKE PERHAPS EVERYBODY ON THIS COMMISSION CAN GET WITH THEI CAPITALROJECTS FOLKS AND ENGINEERS TO WORK OUT MAYBE SIGNALIZING THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION. IT SOUNDS LIKE EVERYBODY WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THAT. AS IT PERTAINS TO FLOODING, I DID WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE CONDITIONAL LETTER OF MAP RREVISION, WHICH THE CITY OF PLANO APPROVED AS WELL AS FEMA. THESE ARE INTENSE CIVIL ENGINEERING STUDIES. I HAVE EXPERIENCE IN MY UNDERGRAD WITH WATER RESOURCE MANAGEMENT AND I CAN CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE FACTUAL CONTEXT OF WHAT EVERYBODY'S TALKING ABOUT WHEN IT RELATES TO IMPERVIOUS COVER. THE IMPERVIOUS COVER ON THIS LOW-DENSITY DEVELOPMENT IS NOT DISSIMILAR THAN THE SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING, BECAUSE OF THE REQUIRED STREETS. AND TRUST ME, YOU KNOW, WE FOLLOWED THE CITY'S GUIDE IN TERMS OF NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES PER UNIT. THE CITY OF PLANO STANDARD IS TWO PER UNIT. IN OTHER LOCALITIES IT'S 1.5. IF WE COULD BE MORE CREATIVE WITH THE SITE PLAN, WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE CITY OF PLANO'S ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, WE WOULD. AND WE'D BE HAPPY TO SEE LESS PARKING AS WELL. WE DO NOT -- I DON'T -- WE WANT THERE TO BE ADEQUATE PARKING, BUT WE DON'T WANT EXCESS PARKING. SO WE'RE CERTAINLY IN AGREEMENT THERE. AS IT PERTAINS TO STANDARDS FROM PROPERTY APPEARANCE AND MAINTENANCE, AND I KNOW THERE WAS SOME SUPPOSITION THAT CRIMINALS WILL BE INVADING THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T WANT TO GO TOO FAR DOWN THAT PATH BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT FACTUAL. WE ARE ACTUALLY, BASED ON THE TDHCA FINANCING AND THE WAY THAT THESE PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENTS WORK, WE ACTUALLY CAN HAVE MORE STRINGENT BACKGROUND CHECKS ON RESIDENTS THAN ANY TYPICAL APARTMENT DOWN THE STREET. SO, TO HEAR THAT IS DISCOURAGING. IS THE WORD I'LL USE. AS IT PERTAINS TO UP-KEEP, THERE ARE COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENTS, THERE ARE INSPECTIONS. THERE ARE OUR OWN STANDARDS FROM A PROPERTY MANAGER AND OWNER PERSPECTIVE. WE TAKE PRIDE IN OUR PROPERTIES AND DO NOT LET THEM D -- DETERIORATE. THAT ESSENTIALLY WERE THE POINTS THAT I HAD THAT I HEARD REPEATEDLY. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD. >> I THINK THOSE WERE THE HIGHLIGHTS. TRAFFIC, OF COURSE, IS A CONCERN THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED BY EVERYBODY, BUT THAT TRAFFIC ISSUE EXISTS TODAY. AND, YOU KNOW, IF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS TO GO FORWARD, WE WANT TO HELP SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC EXCHANGES, WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP WIDEN THAT LANE, BUT A LIGHT SNAL,HATEVER IT MAY BE TO HELP IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC. BUT THAT'S ALREADY IN THE PROCESS, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH LOS RIOS. SO, I DON'T SEE THIS DEVELOPMENT BEING -- CREATING A HUGE TRAFFIC IMPACT. THERE JUST NEEDS TO BE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE TRAFFIC SITUATION AT THIS INTERSECTION. I DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW OF THE PROJECTS WE HAVE COMPLETED TO GET AN IDEA OF QUALITY AND SO FORTH. THIS IS -- I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THIS RENDERING, BUT THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF SCALE. WE TALKED ABOUT WITH NO BREEZEWAYS, NOT YOUR TYPICAL MULTIFAMILY, LIMIT THE TWO-STORY BUILDINGS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE SO OUR NEIGHBORS DON'T GET IMPACTED, THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH OR EAST, THEY DON'T SEE IT, EITHER BECAUSE WE'RE FAR ENOUGH AWAY OR BECAUSE THEY HAVE HEAVY LANDSCAPING IN THOSE AREAS. THESE ARE SOME, YOU KNOW -- >> SIR, YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS. >> YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF THE QUALITY OF OUR PROJECTS. AS DANIEL MENTIONED, WE ARE LONG-TERM STAKEHOLDERS. WE'RE NOT HERE TO BUILD AND SELL. THE UP-KEEP OF THESE PROPERTIES PARAMOUNT, NOT ONLY FOR US, BUT FOR OUR RESIDE RESIDENTS ANE COMMUNITY. OUR REPUTATION IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT GO BY THE WAYSIDE ON A DEVELOPMENT HERE. SO, WE ARE HERE TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY AND BUILD SOMETHING THAT'S GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SUPPORT. >> SIR, YOUR FIVE MINUTES ARE UP. >> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. BEFORE YOU STEP AWAY, ARE THERE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR THEM? COMMISSIONER TONG. >> Tong: YES, I HAVE QUESTIONS. AND FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR COMING ALL THE WAYP HERE AND BRINGING US A GREAT PROJECT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND PLANO DOES NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SO WE APPRECIATE THAT. I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING YOUE PRESENTING RIGHT NOW IS PERFECT. YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOUR DENSITY IS LOW DENSITY, LESS THAN 12 UNITS PER ACRE. I BELIEVE OUR ATTACHED FAMILY -- SORRY, SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED HOUSING TYPE DENSITY IS ALSO 12 TO AN ACRE -- 12 UNITS IN AN ACRE. SO WHY DIDN'T YOU APPLY FORHE SI? INSTEAD YOU APPLIED FOR MULTIFAMILY. >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE WANTS TO TAKE THAT. >> Chair Downs: LEAN ON THE ATTORNEY. [ LAUGHING ] >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONER, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. IF YOU'RE DOING MULTIFAMILY ON A PROJECT, THAT MEANS THAT THE ENTIRE SITE IS PLATTED AS ONE LOT AND YOU CAN HAVE MULTIFAMILIS LIVING ON THAT ONE LARGE LOT AS WE SAW HERE. IF YOU'RE DOING SINGLE-FAMILY, EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT, EVEN IF IT'S CONNECTED, IS A SEPARATE PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND SO IF THIS WERE TO BE DEVELOPED AS SINGLE-FAMILY, YOU WOULD SEE EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN, I'M NOT SURE IF I CAN GET THERE QUICKLY, BUT EACH OF THE SEPARATE HOUSES WOULD HAVE TO BE PLATTED ON A SEPARATE LOT. AND SO IT WOULD BE DEVELOPED ENTIRELY DIFFERENTLY FROM HOW THE SITE IS DEVELOPED. >> Tong: BUT THAT WOULD BE ACTUALLY -- >> Chair Downs: I WAS GOING TO SAY, IMPACT YOUR ABILITY TO GET THE SUBSIESHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? >> WELL, I HEAR SUBSIDIES. SO PERHAPS IT WOULD DO US A BIT OF GOOD TO DISCUSS HOW TAX CREDITS WORK AND WHERE THEY'RE GENERATED. >> Chair Downs: LET'S JUST SAY THE TAX CREDITS. IF YOU WERE TO DEVELOP THIS AS SOMETHING OTHER THAN MULTIFAMILY, WOULD IT IMPACT YOUR ABILITY TO GET THE TAX CREDITS? >> IT WOULD NOT IF IT WAS A DIFFERENT ZONING DESIGNATION. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. >> Tong: THAT WAS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER HORNE. >>or: SPRINGBOARNG ON THE COMSSIOR'S COMMENTS, IT'S ALREADY ZONED SINGLE-FAMILY OKAY? SO, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SINGLE-FAMILY AND HAVE 12 UNITS ON THERE, THEY'LL STILL HAVE TO HAVE SINGLE, INDIVIDUAL LOTS TO BE PLATTED OUT. SO, I WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A SMALL HURDLE FOR YOU TO OVERCOME TO GO FROM SINGLE-FAMILY TO SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED, VERSUS MULTIFAMILY. DID YOU JUST NOT CONSIDER THAT, OR IS IT JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE PLATS HAD TO BE WORKED OUT? >> I DON'T KNOW, HONESTLY. YOU KNOW, THIS WAS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM OUR ENGINEER AT THE TIME, AND HE'S STILL OUR ENGINEER. SO THIS SEEMED TO BE THE APPROPRIATE ZONING TO APPLY FOR. SO, IF THERE WAS SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED THAT THIS WOULD QUALIFY FOR, WE MAY HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT. I DON'T KNOW. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN OTHER REASONS FOR IT THAT THIS WORKED OUT THE BEST. HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER OLLEY OR BRONSKY? >> Bronsky: WE HAVE INCREDIBLE DEVELOPMENTS IN PLANO THAT ARE ATTACHED AND DETACHED SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES THAT HAVE DENSITIES -- I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT RICE FIELD, FOR EXAMPLE, WHICH IS A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY, SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED HOMES, 16 AS OPPOSED TO YOUR 11, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE MUC MORE CONDUCIVE AND MUCH MORE FAVORABLE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PURPOSES. AND SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER GOING TO? >> SO MORE UNITS ON THIS PROPERTY? >> Bronsky: AS -- WOULD YOU CONSIDER PUTTING IN SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED OR DETACHED UNITS THAT WOULD, IN MY VIEW, COME MUCH CLOSER TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE HEARD TODAY BEING DISCUSSED RELATED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND MEETING SOME OF THOSE NEEDS WHIN OUR COMMUNITY? >> I THINK IN THE SAME VEIN, IF WE CAN GET THE UNIT COUNT, OR THE HOME COUNT THERE, THAT DIFFERENT DESIGNATION AND STILL NMEET THE REQUIREMENTS, I DON'T SEE WHY NOT. I DON'T KNOW IF ONE IS MORE STRINGENT THAN THE OTHER, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. BUT THIS WAS THE RECOMMENDATION OF OUR ENGINEER. BUT WE -- IFHERENOTHER WAY TO GET THERE, TO THE 80 HOMES, WE WOULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT IT. >> Bronsky: ONE OTHER QUESTION THAT I WANTED TO ASK, YOU MADE THE COMMENT THAT WE WILL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC. ARE YOU OFFERING TO HELP US ON LOS RIOS AND THE CONSTRUCTION COST THAT IT MIGHT TAKE TO MAKE THAT FROM A D ROAD TO A C ROAD? >> I DON'T KNOW THAT THE D ROAD TO THE C ROAD, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME WIDENING PLAN FOR LOS RIOS. AND IF THERE'S SOME COSTS THAT WE NEED TO HELP COVER TO HELP PAY FOR TT, ABSOLUTELY. WOULD WE COVER ALL OF IT, NO, BUT WOULD WE PARTICIPATE BASED ON THE DEMAND OR THE IMPACT THAT ONE MAY BELIEVE THIS IS BRINGING TO ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, OF COURSE. >> Bronsky: YEAH, SO I MEAN, I'M VERY MUCH -- I SERVED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW COMMITTEE. IT WAS SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT TO US TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I THINK THERE IS AN EXCELLENT OPPORTUNITY. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE WAY THAT YOU HAVE STRUCTURED THIS TODAY SERVICES THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY. BUT I CERTAINLY THINK IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER LOOKING AT SOME OF THE OTHER OPTIONS, INCLUDING PROVIDING SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, ATTACHED OR DETACHED, ON THIS PROPERTY AS IT'S ALREADY DESIGNED, IT MIGHT SAVE YOU SOME TIME AND MONEY, AND SOME EFFORT. BUT AS IT STANDS TODAY, I DON'T THINK IT FULLY REACHES THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY. BUT I WOULD CERTAINY CONSIDER SOME OF THE OTHER OPTIONS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. >> I GUESS IF THE SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING IS MORE PATABLE, THAT' ONE THING. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF -- I'M NOT SEEING HOW THAT INFLUENCES THE DECISION TO SUPPORT THE PROJEC OR NOT. MAYBE SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING IS EASIER TO GET APPROVED, BUT IF IT'S GETTING US TO THE SAME SPOT AT THE END OF THE DAY, I DON'T KNOW. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER OLLEY YES. >> Olley: I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT -- AND I THINK YOU MENTIONED IT REGARDING THE NUMBER OF UNITS -- THAT THAT'S A CRITICAL VARIABLE IN TERMS OF MAKING THIS PROJECT VIABLE FROM A RETURN ON INVESTMENT. THE QUESTION I HAVE, DOES THAT AFFECT THEMOUN OF TAX CREDIT THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO RECEIVE FOR THE PROJECT? IS THERE A THRESHOLD OF UNITS? >> YES. WE ARE LIMITED TO THE AMOUNT OF FUNDS WE CAN APPLY FOR. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A TIME WHERE, AS NOTED, INFLATION HAS GONE THROUGH THE ROOF. COSTS ARE THROUGH THE ROOF. IF WE COULD DO MORE UNITS, WE WOULD OF COURSE TRY TO. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE ECONOMICALLY TO DO IT, GIVEN WHERE PRICING IS TODAY. RIGHT NOW THIS IS THE RIGHT UNIT COUNT BASED ON CURRENT CONSTRUCTION COST. >> Olley: YEAH. ONE CLARIFYING QUESTION. I BELIEVE YOU QUOTED PRICES ON ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, THREE BEDROOM. WERE THOSE THE PRICES FOR THE 64 AFFORDABLE, OR WERE THOSE THE PRICES FOR -- >> I'VE GOT THEM. >> Olley: THE OTHER -- >> I DID REFERENCE THE MARKET RATE, 20% OR 60% OF THE UNITS WOULD BE 1500, 195 AND 2,500. THAT'S NOT TOP OF THE MARKET. THAT IS A TWO-MILE STUDY. I CAN PROVIDE THAT. THERE'S VARIOUS -- THE RENTS ARE DEVELOPED BASED ON THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME, WHICH IS $97,400. THAT'S WHERE THE COMMENT TO 35% OF THE RESIDENTS WITHIN ONE MILE EARN UNDER $75,000, HENCE THEY WOULD QUALIFY FOR REDUCED RENT AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION. IF WE LOOK AT -- THERE WOULD BE A RANGE FOR A ONE-BEDROOM THAT COULD BE AS LOW AS $550 A MONTH. THERE WOULD BE ONLY A HANDFUL OF THOSE. THERE WOULD B 1 OR EIGHT UNITS AT 30% OF AMI SPREAD ACROSS ONE, TWO, AND THREE-BEDROOM UNITS. THOSE RENTS WOULD BE ABOUT 550, 657, AND $760. >> Olley: THANK YOU. >> RESPECTIVELY, AS YOU GO TO 60% UNITS, THOSE SAME FIT AND FINISH AS THE MARKET RATE, AS THE 30% UNIT, AS TO THE 60%. THEY ARE ALL EXACTLY THE SAME. WOULD BE 1100, 1315, AND 1519. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER CARY. >> Cary: COMMISSIONER OLLEY KIND OF WAS HEADING WHERE MY QUESTION WAS HEADING, BUT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE INFLATIONARY ELEMENTS THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING. I GUESS -- I'M GUESSING YOU HAVE THAT BAKED INTO YOUR PLAN HERE, BUT IT'S VERY CHALLENGING TO KNOW THAT. HOW MIGHT THOSE THINGS AFFECT YOUR ABILITY TO REALLY DELIVER? BECAUSE THE DISCUSSION HERE, I THINK PRIMARILY IS AROUND THE AFFORDABLE NATURE OF THESE HOUSES. AND THE OTHER THINGS SEEM TO BE SUPERFLUOUS TO ME. SO, HOW MIG THAT REALLY AFFECT YOUR ABILITY TO DELIVER ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT YOU'RE PROMISING HERE, WITH THE INFLATIONARY THINGS THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING? I'M SURE YOU BAKED THAT IN, BUT I'M CURIOUS. >> YOU BAKE IN AS MUCH AS YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY. AND WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO START CONSTRUCTION TOMORROW. WE'RE STILL -- IF WE'RE TO MOVE FORWARD, WE'RE STILL 12 TO 24 MONTHS AWAY FROM EVEN STARTING. SO THOSE THINGS ARE -- WE BUILT IN AS MUCH CUSHION AS WE CAN, RIGHT? BUT RENTS ARE RESTRICTED AND NTS WILL BE CAPPED. AND SO THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE WHAT THE RESIDENT'S PAYING AS FAR AS ARE WE ABLE TO BUILD IT WITH OUR BUDGET, THAT IS, OF COURSE, ALWAYS THE OBJECTIVE. IF WE GET TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN'T DO IT, THEN WE WON'T DO IT. BUT ONCE WE BREAK GROUND WE'RE GOING TO HIT THAT BUDGET, FINISH, AND BUILD TO GREAT QUALITY LIKE WE'VE ALWAYS DONE. >> Cary: THANK YOU. ONE MORE QUESTION HERE. SO, THE FACT THAT THESE RENTS ARE CAPPED, WHAT EFFECT MIGHT THAT HAVE ON YOUR ABILITY TO MAINTAIN THIS PROJECT GOING HIGH-INFLATIONARY TIME,TS IN A ESPECIALLY WITH SERVICES, EQUIPMENT EVERYTHING? >> THOSE ARE, AGAIN, WE HAVE PROJECTIONS FOR EXPENSES, FOR CAPITAL EXPENSES, FOR REPLACEMENT RESERVES. WE ARE REQUIRED BY OUR LENDERS TO SET ASIDE AT LEAST $75,000 A YEAR JUST FOR RESERVES, JUST TO COVER, YOU KNOW, COST IN ADDITION TO CapEx, RENTS DO INCREASE OVER TIME. THEY INCREASE EVERY YEAR BASED ON WHATEVER THE NEW RENTS ARE IN THAT AREA. AND SO RENTS WILL CONTINUE TO RISE YEAR AFTER YEAR, LIKE THEY ALWAYS DO, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO BE BELOW MARKET. THAT'S ALWAYS THE OBJECTIVE. >> Cary: BUT THE RENTS IN THIS PROJECT WILL INCREASE BASED ON WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE RENTS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA. >> THAT IS CORRECT. EVERY YEAR THEY GET RESET. >> Cary: GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Chair Downs: WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO FIRST? >> I DID WANT TO MENTION, WE WERE ASKING ABOUT DENSITIES AND DIFFERENT PRODUCT TYPES HERE. THE MULTIFAMILY ONES, DISTRICT DOES HAVE A PROVISION THAT YOU CE STANDARDS OF THE TOWNHOME ZONING DISTRICT IN MULTIFAMILY ONE. SO IF THE APPLICANT WANTED TO CONSIDER THAT AND WANTED TO CONSIDER A STIPULATION RESTRICTING THE PROPOSAL TO THE SFA STANDARDS, THAT IS SOMETHING THEY COULD CONSIDER. THE DENSITY IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER IN THAT PROPOSAL, TEN UNITS PER ACRE MAXIMUM. THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTERSECTION IN PLANO. I THINK Y'ALL RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE A NEED HERE FOR A PROCT LI YOU'RE PPOSING. I THINK YOU'VE HEARD AND SEEN IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE RECOGNIZE THERE'S A NEED FOR. AND WE'VE GOT PROOF IN SOME OF THE TESTIMONY WE'VE HEARD THAT IT'S BENEFICIAL TO OUR NEIGHBORS. MY QUESTION FOR YOU, HOW MANY OTHER SITES HAVE YOU LOOKED AT OR ARE YOU LOOKING AT TO BRING THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT TO PLANO, OR HAVE YOU JUST 3 ZEROED IN ON THIS ONE, OR ARE YOU CONSIDERING OTHER LOCATIONS IN OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL? >> YOU KNOW, THIS PROGRAM IS -- I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS OF THE PROGRAM,UT EVERY YEAR THERE'S AN APPLICATION CYCLE. EVERY YEAR YOU CAN IDENTIFY SITES AND YOU CAN SUBMIT YOUR APPLICATION IN JANUARY/FEBRUARY TIME PERIOD. I GUESS THE RULE AS FAR AS WHAT PROJECTS WOULD QUALIFY FOR THIS FUNDING CHANGES EVERY YEAR. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT PLANO IN THE FUTURE ABSOLUTELY. BUT AGAIN, IT NEEDS TO FIT THE OTHER CHECKBOXES AT THE STATE LEVEL, WHICH INCLUDE HIGH-OPPORTUNITY AREAS, WHICH HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, AREAS OF HIGH JOB EMPLOENT, AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO AS AREAS -- LET'S SAY PLANO HAS ONE OR TWO OR THREE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEALS OVER A PERIOD OF TIME. AT THAT POINT, PLANO IS NO LONGER COMPETITIVE TO RECEIVE MORE AWARDS BECAUSE IN SOME WAYS, THERE MAY BE OVERSATURATION FOR AFFORDABILITY FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE WOULD ALWAYS LOOK AT PLANO BUT IT DEPENDS, DOES IT CHECK THE BOXES AT THAT PERIOD OF TIME WHEN WE IDENTIFY SITES. WE'LL AGAIN START LOOKING AT SOME POINT. >> Ratliff: WHEN Y'ALL CHOSE THIS SITE DID Y'ALL CONSIDER OTHER SITES MANY -- IN PLANO? >> WE DID, WE SUBMITTED ANOTHE APPLICATION NORTH OF GEORGE BUSH AND OHIO, POSSIBLY. AND OVER THERE BY -- >> JUST SOUTH OF THE MEDICAL CITY PLANO. >> SO THAT ONE WE DID NOT RECEIVE SUPPORT FROM THE CITY AT THAT TIME WE SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION. >> Ratliff: SO YOU WERE LOOKING AT OTHER SITES. WE ALWAY LOOK, AND WE FOLLOW THE PROCESS FROM THERE AND SEE WHERE IT TAKES US. >> Ratliff: THAT WAS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: I HAVE ONE. IT'S BEEN MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES. WHEN YOU SAY HIGH-OPPORTUNITY, DO YOU MEAN HIGH OPPORTUNITY FOR YOUR ABILITY TO GET SUPPORT FOR IT AND EARN THE CREDITS, OR -- IS THAT MADE UP OF FACTORS SUCH AS PROXIMITY TO MASS TRANSIT, PROXIMITY TO SHOPPING, DINING, ETC.? BECAUSE IT DOES SEEM LIKE THIS IS A LITTLE ISOLATED. SO HOW ARE YOU ABLE TO PRESENT THIS AS A HIGH OPPORTUNITY WITHOUT THOSE FEATURES BEING SOMETHING THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN A HALF-MILE WALK? >> SURE. SO, HIGH-OPPORTUNITY ARE AREAS THAT HAVE -- THAT'S THE CENSUS TRACT WHERE THE SITES ARE LOCATED ARE HIGH-INCOME AREAS RELATIVE TO THE REST OF, LET'S SAY PLANO. AND SO THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS THAT ARE THE HIGH FOCUS POINTS WHERE THE STATE WANTS YOU TO PROVIDE -- WHICH MAKES SENSE, PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN AREAS THAT ARE -- >> Chair Downs: NOT KNOWN FOR AFFORDAB HOUSING. >> THAT'S RIGHT. OTHERWISE YOU HAVE LOW-INCOME CENSUS TRACTS WHERE A CONCENTRATION OF HOUSING LEADS TO OTHER SITUATIONS. NOW, WE DO HAVE -- THERE ARE GROCERY STORES NEARBY. I KNOW THERE'S CONCERN ABOUT THAT, WITHIN A TEN-MINUTE DRIVE OF THERE'S RETAIL RIGHT THERE ALONG 75. SO IT APPEARS ISOLATED, WHICH IS REALLY I THINK THE HIGHLIGHT OF THE SITE, OF THE PROPERTY. BUT THE FACT IS EVERYTHING IS IN VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT UNIQUE BECAUS IT CHECKS ALL THESE OTHER BOXES OF AMENITIES NEARBY AND ALSO YOU HAVE THE OPEN SPACE AROUND YOU, WHICH IS AWESOME. >> AND IF I COULD CONTINUE THAT, THE HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREA IS ONE OF THE PRIMARY THRESHOLDS IN RECEIVING A LETTER OR RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FROM THE CITY OF PLANO. SO IT'S SELF-DEFINED BY THE CITY OF PLANO BY A CENSUS TRACT UNDER 10% OF POVERTY LEVEL. I WOULD ALSO GO SO FAR AS TO SAY WE CONSIDER IT A HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREA, AS I MENTIONED UPWARD ECONOMIC MOBILITY. WHAT I REALLY VIEW THIS AS IS YOUNG PROFESSIONALS, AGAIN, WE DON'T FEEL OR I DON'T THINK IN MY MIND THAT SOMEBODY MAKING $60,000 A YEAR IS IMPOVERISHED BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. IT COULD BE TWO WORKING SPOUSES, A SINGLE MOM, SINGLE DAD, HOWEVER WAY YOU SLICE IT, THAT'S MAKING A GOOD LIVING AND HAS TO TO LIVE HERE, FRANKLY. AND WITH THE PROXIMITY TO COLLIN COUNTY COMMUNITY COLLEGE, THEY HAVE THAT EDUCATIONALAPACY SHOULD THEY DESIRE TO SEEK IT, LIKE SOME HAVE SPOKEN ON HERE, AS WELL AS THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE GREAT. THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT GO INTO A HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREA, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. I THINK WE'RE DONE. APPRECIATE IT. I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL HAVE OUR DISCUSSION. SO COMMISSIONER TONG IS RIGHT ON THE BUTTON. >> Tong: I STILL HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE ZONING. SO MAYBE THIS IS FOR ERIC. AS OF NOW WITH THIS ZING CASE, THE ZONING THEY'RE APPLYING -- >> Chair Downs: GET CLOSER TO THE MIC. THANK YOU. >> Tong: THE ZONING THEY'RE APPLYING FOR, IF WE APPROVED, WHAT'S THE -- I GUESS PERMITTED OR ALLOWED, THE NUMBER OF UNITS THEY CAN BUILD BASED ON THAT TYPE OF ZONING? >> THE APPLICANT TONIGHT THEY HAVE AN APPLICATION BEFORE YOU AND THEY HAVE RESTRICTIONS IN THAT APPLICATION AND I BELIEVE IT'S 11.7 UNITS PER ACRE IS THE LIMATION TH ARE PLACING. THEY COULD GO TO A SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED TYPE OF PRODUCT. I WAS LOOKING AT THAT MORE CLOSELY. THERE IS A PROVISION THEY COULD GET UP TO 12 UNITS PER ACRE WITH SOME DETERMINATIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. THEY COULD GO TO A SIMILAR DENSITY AS THEY'RE PROPOSING TONIGHT WITH A TOWNHOME PRODUCT. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? >> Tong: YES. I THINK THE RESTRICTION IS VERY IMPORTANT HERE. EVEN IF WE APPROVE TODAY THEY WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO BUILD 11.7. THAT'S THE RESTRICTION THEY HAVE ON THE LAND. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> Tong: THANK YOU. >> IF I COULD JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON THIS REAL QUICK. BUT IF WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT REALLY DOESN'T CHANGE THE NATURE OF THIS PROJECT, DOES IT? WE'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT THE SAME NUMBER OF UNITS ON THIS YOU MOVE FROM THIS TO THATHER- THAT IT'S FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGED WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT HERE, UNLESS MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING. >> I THINK MR. BELL MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK BETTER TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IMPACTS THAT WOULD HAVE. WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO STUDY IT AND GET BACK TO THAT ON YOU ABOUT THE SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED PRODUCT. >> I COULD SAK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD SO WE WOULDN'T BE IN A FINDINGS TYPE SITUATION FOR THAT ZONING CHANGE . >> Chair Downs: SO TO BE CLEAR, EVEN THOUGH THE AREA IS OVERBUILT FOR MULTIFAMILY, UNDER SINGLE-FAMILY THERE'S STILL OPPORTUNITIES. >> THE SINGLE-FAMILY HAS A USE, YES, AND YOU GET INTO SPECIFICS OF SITE DESIGN, THERE MAY BE OTHER ISSUES, BUT JUST FROM A USE ISSUE, YES. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS. ONE I THANK YOU AGAIN FOR COMING PRESENTING. I DON'T THINK YOU JUST KIND OF DREW THIS OUT ONE DAY AND SAID, HEY, LET'S GO DO THIS. YOU PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO IT. I UNDERSTAND THE DESIRE FOR IT TO REMAIN GREEN SPACE. I WOULD LOVE THAT. I THINK PROBABLY WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED A LONG TIME AGO IS A CITIZEN SHOULD HAVE GONE TO COUNCIL AND SAID WE WANT MORE BOND MONEY ISSUED TO BUY THIS LAND SO IT CONNECTS TO OAK POINT PARK, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY BUILDINGS HE. THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENED. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I MEAN, THE WAY IT SITS, WHAT POSSIBLY COULD GO RIGHT HERE? IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME BUILD HERE, WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED BY RIGHT? WHERE THERE WOULDN'T EVEN BE A QUESTION. >> RIGHT NOW IT HAS THE SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING, THE SF- 7 DISTRICT SO IT'S LIMITED AS FAR AS RESIDENTIAL USES TO SINGLE FAMILY AND THOSE REQUIREMENTS. OTHER ANCILLARY USES IN SINGLE FAMILY, WE CAN LOOK THROUGH THOSE, BUT GENERALLY SINGLE-FAMILY USES. >> Chair Downs: CHURCH? >> RELIGIOUS FACILITY IS AN OPPORTUNITY. AGAIN, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE SITE CONDITIONS BUT IT IS LIMITED BY THE FLOODPLAIN SO IT DOES HAVE SOME IMPACTS TO THE PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR SOME LARGER INSTITUTIONAL USES. >> Chair Downs: CORRECT. FOR LARGER USES, YES. BUT THE POINT IS THAT IT CAN BE DEVELOPED AND AS MUCH AS WE WOULD LIKE IT TO REMAIN GREEN SPACE, CHANCES ARE IT'S NOT UNLESS, AGAIN, THERE'S A CHANGE OF HEART AND AN APPEAL TO THE CITY TO PURCHASE THE LAND AND THAT'S ABOVE MY PAY GRADE, TO PUT IT THAT WAY. THE FLOODPLAIN ISSUES I GET BUT WE HAVE PROPOSALS ALL THE TIME IN FRONT OF US WHERE THE BUILDERS ARE AMELIORATING THOSE ISSUES THROUGH RETENTION WALLS, BACKFILL, HARD SCAPES, ANY NUMBER OF WAYS THEY CAN CREATE ENOUGH SPACE TO BUILD ON. I DO AGREE, THOUGH, THAT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE RUNOFF INTO THE CREEK AND THAT EXACERBATES SOME ISSUES WE HAVE WITH FLOODING IN SOME OTHER LOCATIONS AND HAS ACTUALLY CREATED A LEGAL ISSUE, AT LEAST ONE THAT I AWARE OF, WITHIN THE CITY. THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PIECE IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. I'M JUST NOT SURE HOW WE DO IT. I THINK THAT -- I MAY BE WRONG, IF WE HAD COME IN WITH A SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED PRODUCT THAT WAS AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THIS AREA, WE MIGHT HAVE HAD A DIFFERENT KIND OF FEEDBACK, NOT SURE. SOME OF THEM ARE NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY WITH ANY OF THEM GOING TRE. OTHERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT MULTIFAMILY. I THINK THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN SOME OPPORTUNITIES THERE, I THINK IT WOULD REQUIRE MORE DIALOGUE WITH STAFF TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR TIMELINES ARE OR ANYTHING ELSE OR THE PROCESS FOR RESTARTING ALL OF THAT. I DO FEEL LIKE IT FEELS ISOLATED. IT FEELS SOMETHING DROPPED INTO A SPOT THAT I'M NOT SURE IT FEELS RIGHT. I'M WORRIED ABOUT TRANSPORTATION OPPORTUNITIES. I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, ALTHOUGH I WAS GOING TO MAKE THE POINT YOU ALREADY MADE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE EXPANDED, THEY'RE GOING TO WIDEN THE ROADS. THEY ALREADY KNOW THERE'S A TRAFFIC ISSUE. CITY OF PLANO IS A CITY OF EXCELLENCE, AS SOMEONE SAID, SO THEY'RE ON TOP OF THIS AND EVENTUALLY THIS TRAFFIC ISSUE WILL LIKELY BE RESOLVED IN THE NEAR FUTURE. I ALSO KNOW THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT THAT GOES ON AROUND THIS AREA. IT'S POSSIBLE THAT AS PART OF ENVISION OAK POINT, THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS THERE DESIGNED FOR MULTIFAMILY. IT'S APPROVED, IT'S PART OF THE PLAN. IT WOULDN'T FACE THE SAME HURDLES, THE SAME REQUIREMENTS FOR CERTAIN LEVELS OF FINDINGS, ET CETERA, THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH RIGHT HERE. SO AT A HIGH LEVEL, I APPRECIATE THE STYLE OF THE PRODUCT. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS COME BACK, PERHAPS DESIGNED MORE IN A SINGLE-FAMILY STYLE. THAT MIGHT RESULT IN SOMETHING DIFFERENT, AND IN PARTICULAR IF IT COULD BE PRESENTED IN A WAY THAT WAS COLLABORATIVE WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO SHOW HOW THE EVENTUAL CHANGES IN THE ROAD DESIGNS WERE GOING TO REDUCE THE TRAFFIC BURDEN IN THE AREA FOR EVERYBODY. I'VE BEEN DOWN THERE MANY TIMES FOR THE EVENTS AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU'RE GOING TO ACCESS THIS. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE STUCK SO THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A LOT OF WORK DONE IN THAT AREA. SO THAT'S MY THOUGHT PROCESS RIGHT HERE IS I THINK I'M GOING TO HAVE TROUBLE SUPPORTING IT JUST THE WAY IT SITS. BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU TAKE ANOTHER BITE OF THE APPLE WITH MAYBE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT AND HOW YOU MIGHT DO IT WITH SOME HELP FROM STAFF. COMMISSIONER HORNE. >> Horne: MR. CHAIRMAN, IN 2016 THIS PARTICULAR AREA WAS ZONED FROM AGRICULTURAL TO SINGLE FAMILY. THAT WAS APPROVED BY THIS BODY AND ALSO BY CITY COUNCIL. AT THAT TIME THE PLANS WERE LAID AND PROBABLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION OAK POINT PARK, WHICH SOMEONE NOTED AND IT'S TRUE, IT'S LARGER THAN NEW YORK CITY'S CENTRAL PARK. AND THE WORK THAT'S GONE ON AT OAK POINT PARK CANNOT BE DENIED. THERE'S NATURAL GRASSLANDS, PRAIRIELANDS, WALKING PATHS, ZIP LINES, CREEKS TO GO OUT THERE TO SEE THE CRITTERS, PLUS IT'S ALSO HIGHLY USED WITH THE PLANO BALLOON FESTIVAL PLUS OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT OCCUR AROUND THERE. I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THIS BODY, WHEN THEY ZONED IT SINGLE-FAMILY, THEY HAD THAT VISION THAT WHEN YOU MOVED INTO THAT AREA YOU GOT TO SEE THIS WONDERFUL PARK. SINCE THAT TIME WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT PLAN, UNDER MR. BELL'S AND MR. BRONSKY'S LEADERSHIP, PL, PRETTY MUCH TOLD US HOW, WITH OUR REMAINING LAND THAT WE HAVE LEFT, WHAT WE SHOULD DO FOR REDEVELOPMENT. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WHAT WE SEE HERE, WHEN WE PETITION FOR MULTIFAMILY, FOUR ELEMENTS WITHIN THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS NOT COMPLIANT. SO WE'RE SOMEWHAT CUFFED. IF WE'RE GOING TO GO AGAINST THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT TOOK 18 MONTHS TO DEVELOP WITH I, WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME SOLID REASON TO MOVE FORWARD. WE HAVE A SPECIAL NEEDS POLICY, OKAY, SPECIAL HOUSING NEEDS POLICY, WHICH IS PART OF THE CONSOLIDATED PLAN. THAT SHOWS THAT IT HAS TO BE IN A HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREA, AND THIS IS CERTAINLY A HIGH OPPORTUNITY AREA BUT THERE'S CHALLENGES TO THAT RIGHT NOW. FIRST AND FOREMOST IS TRANSPORTATION. AS WE SAY,ARKER STATION IS PRETTY FAR AWAY. GO LINK DOES NOT GO OUT THERE. IT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE TO GET FROM THERE, TO GET TO ANYWHERE WITHIN THE CITY WITHOUT A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WALKING OR USING UBER OR OTHER TYPE OF RIDE SHARING. SO I THINK WE HAVE SOME CHALLENGES AHEAD OF US. AS MUCH AS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS PROPERTY DEVELOP -- AND Y'ALL HEARD ABOUT INFLATION, THE COST OF LAND, THE COST TO CONSTRUCT, WT IS AFFORDABLE THE DS. THOSE ARE VALID POINTS THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS. FOR THE PETITION TO GO TO MULTIFAMILY, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH STAFF AND DENY THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT. THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE MUCH OF A HURDLE TO LOOK AT YOUR APPROACH AND GO TO MORE OF A SINGLE-FAMILY TTACHED AND WORK WITH THE CITY TO SEE IF THAT MAY BE A MEDIUM APPROACH TO DEVELOPING THIS LAND AND MEETING THE NEEDS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO THAT'S MY OPINION. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. WHO WAS FIRST? >> I MIGHT HAVE BEEN. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER CARY. >> Cary: I HAVE TO ECHO MUCH OF WHAT COMMISSIONER HORNE SAID. LET'S START BY LOOKING BACK AT OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IDENTIFIED THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I THINK EVERYBODY ON THIS COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WE RECOGNIZE THAT AND TO THAT END THERE'S CERTAINLY SOME ATTRACTION TO THIS PARTICULAR SITE. BUT MY OPINION IS TT STAFF DID A GOOD JOB OF REALLY LAYING OUT THE PROS AND CONS OF THIS. I THINK THEY DID A VERY GOOD JOB. AND REGRETFULLY I THINK THERE ARE MORE HURDLES HERE THAT WE'RE NOT CLEARING AND TRANSIT IS ONE OF THEM. THE FLOODING ISSUE, WHILE MAYBE NOT AN ISSUE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, AS CHAIRMAN SAID WE THINK IT COULD BE DOWNSTREAM. I THINK THE REAL THING, THE FACT THAT THIS WAS ZONED FOR SINGLE FAMILY AND I HAVE A CONCERN THAT THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE AROUND THEREERE ABLE TO BUILD THEIROUSES WITH THE KNOWLEDGE ULTIMATELY OF HOW THIS PROPERTY IS GOING TO BE DEVELOPED. AND I THINK FOR THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE, WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT FOR ALL OF OUR CITIZENS SO THAT WE HAVE SOME CONFIDENCE THAT WHEN WE'RE INVESTING IN REAL ESTATE THAT WE CAN LOOK DOWN THE ROAD SOMEWHAT AND KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME GOOD SUGGESTIONS HERE ABOUT SOME OTHER WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS BUT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SUPPORT WHAT STAFF SAID FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT IS GOING TO BE HARD FOR ME TO SPORT THAT TONIGHT. I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE SOME NICE WORK. IT DOES LOOK LIKE A GOOD PROJECT IN MANY REGARDS BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S RIGHT FOR THIS PLACE AT THIS TIME. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: I'M STRUGGLING. WE OBVIOUSLY NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN PLANO. I LIVED IN AN APARTMENT FOR THREE YEARS. I DID NOT BRING UNDESIRABLE ELEMENTS TO PLANO. I LIKE THE WORD COMMISSIONER HORNE USED, I'M CUFFED BY WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SUGGESTS FOR SPECIAL HOUSING NEEDS POLICY, AND I'M QUOTING A PROPOSED LOCATION SHOULD BE AFFORDED THE SAME HEALTH AND SAFETY CONSIDERATION AS OTHER HOUSING AND THE ISOLATION OF THIS LOCATION, IN MY VIEW, DOES NOT AFFORD THE SAME SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS FROM A TRANSIT AND MOBILITY PERSPECTIVE. WHEN YOU TAKE TRAFFIC AND THE BUSINESS OF THE THOROUGHFARE THAT WOULD BASICALLY BE ADJACENT TO THIS HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. YOU KNOW, I KNOW AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A TRIGGER WORD BUT THE INCOME THAT WOULD MEET THIS REQUIREMENT IS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKN THE AVERAGE INCOME OF A PLANO FIREFIGHTER, POLICE OFFICER, OR A TEACHER. THAT NEGATIVE CONNOTATION THAT IS BEING INSINUATED BY PUSHBACK. BUT THAT BEING SAID, WE ARE RESTRICTED BY THE WORDS OF THE SPECIAL HOUSING NEEDS POLICY AND THE UNDEVELOPED LAND POLICY AND UNFORTUNATELY I PROBABLY WOULD LOVE TO SEE IT COME BACK IN SOME WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE BUT AS IT SITS, WE ARE RESTRICTED. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: JUST KIND OF PIGGYBACKING A LITTLE BIT ON COMMISSIONER OLLEY'S POINTS. SOMEBODY MENTIONED EARLIER THE RICE FIELDS DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS ACTUALLY HIGHER DENSITY THAN THIS DEVELOPMENT, NOT TOO FAR FROM HERE. I LIVED THERE FOR THREE YEARS UNTIL A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO AND I DON'T THINK I BROUGHT AN UNDESIRABLE ELEMENT TO PLANO. >> Chair Downs: BE CAREFUL. THERE MIGHT BE A VOTE. [LAUGHTER] >> Ratliff: YEAH, I'M NOT TAKING A POLL. [LAUGHTER] >> Ratliff: I THINK THE DENSITY IS NOT THE PART THAT BOTHERS ME. IF WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A DETACHED SINGLE-FAMILY, EVEN AN ATTACHED SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING, I THINK WE WOULD BE HAVING A SIMILAR DISCUSSION TONIGHT WITH A SIMILAR PROJECT. BUT THAT'S NOT WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT. WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT A MULTIFAMILY ZONING IN A SINGLE-FAMILY DISTRICT AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE DOING THAT. I THINK THAT THE NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR YEARS AND BOUGHT THEIR PROPERTY AND THEY HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PROPERTY RIGHTS THAT WE NEED TO RESPECT THAT THEY BOUGHT IN A SINGLE-FAMILY AREA, EXPECTING SINGLE-FAMILY OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO BE THEIR NEIGHBORS AND THE MULTIFAMILY COMPONENT, JUST EVEN THE ZONING, DOESN'T FIT FOR ME. LIKE I SAID, IF IT WAS A SINGLE-FAMILY ATTACHED OR EVEN SINGLE-FAMILY DETACHED, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT DISCUSSION TONIGHT WITH A SIMILAR PROJECT BUT THAT'S NOT WHERE WE ARE TONIGHT. FOR ME TONIGHT, I CAN'T SUPPORT IT IN ITS CURRENT FORM. >> Chair Downs: I WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT FIRST AND I'LL LET MR. STONE GO. WE'RE ENCOURAGING THEM TO GO SINGLE-FAMILY BUT THEY'RE ALSO HEARING FROM US THAT TRANSIT IS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS AND GOING SINGLE-FAMILY DOESN'T RESOLVE THAT ISSUE, RIGHT? SO OUR PURPOSE FOR BEHIND A SINGLE-FAMILY REALLY IS IT ALLOWS US MORE FREEDOM AND FLEXIBILITY UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND FITS MORE CLOSELY INTO OUR LAND USE DESIGNATIONS. SO LET'S JUST BE CLEAR ON THAT. I WOULD STILL HAVE THE TRANSIT CONCERNS, NOT SO MUCH THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE DEALT WITH, BUT THE TRANSIT CONCERNS. BUT SO JUST TO BE CLEAR TO EVERYONE THAT THAT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY, IF THAT'S YOUR CONCERN IF THAT COME BACK WITH SINGLE-FAMILY. SO IF THEY COME BACK WITH SINGLE-FAMILY AND WE SAY, WELL,HERE STILL A TRANSIT ISSUE, I THINK WE'VE DONE THEM A DISSERVICE, SO LET'S ALL BE CLEAR. COMMISSIONER STONE. >> Stone: A TWO-STORY GARDEN APARTMENT. HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE WE'VE HAD A DEVELOPER IN HERE WITH A TWO-STORY GARDEN APARTMENT INSTEAD OF THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE? I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS LITTLE PROJECT BUILT SOMEWHERE ELSE. IT'S NOT IN THE RIGHT PLACE, GUYS. IT'S NOT IN THE RIGHT PLACE. I'M SORRY. A TEN-MINUTE DRIVE TO THE GROCERY STORE OR TO A CONVENIENT STORE IS JUST NOT CLOSE BY. A THREE-MILE WALK TO THE TRANSIT STATION, AS WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT, IS JUST -- IT'S NOT CONVENIENT. WE'VE HEARD LOTS OF DISCUSSION FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND I'VE HEARD SEVERAL OF MY COMMISSIONERS HERE TALK ABOUT EXPECTATIONS. THE HOMEOWNERS THAT BOUGHT THEIR LOT THERE YEARS AGO AND EVEN THE GENTLEMAN THAT'S REBUILDING HIS HOUSE TODAY, THEY HAD EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT WAS GOING ON AROUND THEM. WE CAN'T SABOTAGE THAT. WE CAN'T MAKE THIS BIG A CHANGE IN THEIR EXPECTATIONS. I JUST CANNOT SUPPORT THIS. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ONE MORE COMMENT. AND I KNOW THAT SO MANY PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM DALLAS, THEY APPRECIATE YOU COMING DOWN HERE AND EXPRESSING YOUR OPINIONS AND ALL THE LADIES LOVE THE STORIES AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR THE CITY TO PROVIDE THIS EXCELLENT LIFE FOR EVERYONE AND WE SUPPORT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, EVEN IF FOR THIS LAND THEY BUILD ONE-ACRE, TWO-ACRE LOTS AND SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING, THEY CAN ALL BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE TYPE OF COMMUNITY DOES NOT -- I MEAN, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NOT RESTRICTED TO APARTMENTS. AFFORDABLE HOUSING CAN BE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE. I'M A BROKER MYSELF. WE HAVE A LOT OF SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSES THAT ARE DESIGNED OR DESIGNATED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SO WE SUPPORT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UNFORTUNATELY, I AGREE WITH THE STAFF AND MY COLLEAGUES ON THE BOARD HERE, ON THE COMMISSION THAT THIS PROJECT PRESENTS A LOT OF TRAFFIC ISSUES AND TRANSIT ISSUES, ESPECIALLY IT'S RIGHT BY THE PARKING EVENT CENTER. THERE'S TONS OF THINGS GOING ON AROUND THERE. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH PLANO , THE REASON WHY I BROUGHT UP THE ZONING DENSITY ISSUE IS BECAUSE I HAVE A FEELING THAT YOU'RE NOT FEELING WITH PLANO. YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PLAINSONG CODE, THE DENSITY ISSUE. SO IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH PLANO YOU WOULD KNOW THAT'S NOT A GOOD SPOT FOR A PRODUCT LIKE THAT. THAT ROAD CAN BE BLOCKED FOR EVENTS AND THE RESIDENTS WON'T BE ABLE TO GET IN OR OUT, SO THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM FOR THE RESIDENTS, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR NOT. >> BASED ON THE COMMENTS, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND AT THIS POINT DENY OR DECLINE THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER CARY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY. >> Tong: SORRY, BEFORE WE VOTE, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO IF WE SUPPORT THE STAFF OPINION, SHOULD WE VOTE YES OR NO? >> Chair Downs: YES IS WHAT THE ANSWER IS. >> Tong: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: SO, ALL RIGHT. LET'S VOTE. NOT AN EASY ONE. OKAY. SO BY A VOTE OF 8-0, ITEM 2A IS WHAT WE'RE ON, ISENIE WE NEED A MOTION ON 2B. >> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DECLINE OR WE ENDORSE THE POSITION OF CITY STAFF AND DECLINE 2B. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: SO I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STONE TO DENY ITEM 2B. AND THAT IM PASSES 8-0 AS WELL. SO THESE ARE THE HARDEST CASES GUYS. THEY REALLY ARE BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW WE NEED IT. IT'S JUST FINDING THE RIGHT SPOT AND THE RIGHT FIT WITHIN THE PLAN. AS I MENTIONED, YOU BRING BACK SINGLE-FAMILY WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TRANSPORTATION ISSUES BUT MAYBE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN WE FIGURE SOMETHING OUT. THOSE THAT CAME FROM DALLAS, YOUR STORY, MA'AM, I WAS LOOKING FOR KLEENEX. BUT IT'S TRUE. 'SEAL. I HAVE SEEN IT WITH OTHER. I SERVE ON -- HAVE SERVED ON CITY HOUSES BOARD AND HAVE SEEN PEOPLE WITH NOTHING WHO, BECAUSE THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE SOMEPLACE WHERE THEY HAD A ROOF AND COULD GO TO SCHOOL, MAKE SOMETHING AMAZING OUT OF THEMSELVES. SO WE NEED MORE OF THAT. >> CHAIRMAN DOWNS, DON'T BE CONCERNED. THE FAMILIES WHO LIVE THERE, THEY DRIVE, JUST LIKE THE OTHER FAMILIES IN THE COMMUNITIES. SO, YOU KNOW, TEN MILES OR FIVE MILES FROM THE SHOPPING CENTER IS ACTUALLY A GOOD THING. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. ALL RIGHT. IT'S 9:23. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS BEFORE WE MOVE INTO THE REST OF THE AGENDA. [APPLAUSE] [RECESS] [RECESS] >> Chair Downs: OKAY. NOW THAT THE LIGHT PART OF THE AGENDA IS OVER, WE WILL MOVE ON. I BELIEVE WE ARE ON ITEM 3. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 3. PUBLIC HEARING - REPLAT: ELMWOOD PARK II, BLOCK A, LOTS 1-4 - FOUR URBAN RESIDENTIAL LOTS ON 0.8 ACRE LOCATED AT THE RTHEAST COER OF 15TH STREET AND N AVENU ZONED URBAN RESIDENTIAL. TABLED ON AUGUST 1, 2022. APPLICANT: TWCP WESTHEIMER WILCREST LTD. ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS PARKER McDOWELL WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL FOR THIS ITEM AS SUBMITTED. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO WE HAVE ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ISSUE? EVERYBODY GOTUIETUDDENLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. >> Chair Downs: VERY GOOD. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? >> NO, THERE ARE NOT. >> Chair Downs: I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONFINE THE DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION. >> I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NO. 3 RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. SECOND. >> Chair Dns:HERE'S AN ECHO. WE HAVE COMMISSIONER HORNE MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 3 AS SUBMITTED WITH A SECOND BY -- I'LL GIVE IT TO& COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. PLEASE VOTE. ITEM 4. SORRY. YOU WERE WAITING ON ME. I'M TRYING TO GET TO MY SPOT IN THE AGENDA. >> THAT PASSED WITH A VOTE OF 8-0. >> Chair Downs: OH, YES, IT DID. SORRY. >> THAT'S OKAY. AGENDA ITEM NO. 4. PUBLIC HEARING - PRELIMINARY REPLAT: ELMWOOD PARK, BLOCK A, LOTS 1-11, BLOCK B, LOTS 1-10, AND BLOCK C, LOTS 1-5 - 26 URBAN RESIDENTIAL LOTS ON 2.4 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF 15TH STREET AND M AVENUE. ZONED PLANNED DEVELOPME. TABLED ON AUGUST 1, 2022. APPLICANT AGAIN IS TWCP WESTHEIMER WILCREST, LIMITED. THIS IS ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION. >> PARKER McDOWELL, PLANNING DEPARTMENT. STAFF RECOMMENDED THIS ITEM FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE ADDITIONS AND/OR ALTERATIONS. >> Chair Downs: ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH . I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS? >> WE DO. THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND WE HAVE BRITNEY WARDEN. >> HI. BRITNEY WARDEN, 1510 M AVENUE, 75074. THANKS FOR HAVING ME AND, ERIC, THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME UNDERSTAND ALL THE REPLAT LANGUAGE THAT I DON'T KNOW VERY WELL. BUT I HAVE A COUPLE OF ISSUES WITH THE REPLAT, FIRST BEING THAT WE DON'T FEEL OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WAS INFORMED OF THE HEARINGS THAT WERE GOING ON REGARDING THE CHANGES THAT MOVED FROM THE INITIAL PLANS THAT WE SAW. SO WE WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE YOU TO NOT APPROVE THIS UNTIL WE CAN ACTUALLY CONFIRM THAT WE WERE ALL NOTIFIED OF THAT APPROPRIATELY. I KNOW THAT SEVERAL OF MY NEIGHBORS WERE NOT, INCLUDING US. ALSO, THE LOT NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS DIRECTLY ATTACHED TO OUR PROPERTY, HAS A DETACHED GARAGE THAT'S ONLY FIVE FEET FROM OUR PROPERTY LINE AND THERE'S A GIANT 50-YEAR TREE THAT I PURPOSELY DID NOT PUT A GARAGE NEXT TO BECAUSE I HIRED AN ARBORIST WHO SAID THAT TREE WOULD EITHER BE KILLED OR IT WOULD FALL OVER ON TO MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE. THE OTHER THING THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IS THE EXCEPTIONS THAT WERE GIVEN. THERE IS ZERO GREEN SPACE. I WISH THAT THEY WOUD OFFER GREEN SPACE LIKVERS WAS DOING WITH THEIR PROPERTY. THEY ARE GETTING PLANNED DEVELOPMENT EXCEPTIONS. THE CITY WANTED FIVE ADDITIONAL FEET IN CASE THEY WANTED TO DO STREET WIDENING AND NOW THAT'S OFF THE TABLE ALSO. AS YOU KNOW THAT AREA, EVEN THOUGH IT'S CONSIDERED RESIDENTIAL, IS A VERY HIGH-TRAFFIC AREA. CARS ARE ALWAYS SPEEDING DOWN THOSE ROADS. THIS IS GOING TO BE A DEVELOPMENT WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVING THERE AND THERE'S GOING TO BE NOT ENOUGH PARKING. SO THERE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE PARKING ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT STREET AS THEY ALREADY DO, AND NOT HAVING THE ABILITY TO WIDEN THOSE STREETS IS A PROBLEM FOR ME. ADDITION, I D'T FEEL LIKE YOU CAN OFFER THESE LOT LINES, ESPECIALLY FOR LOT ONE BECAUSE THERE IS A CURRENT DISPUTE OVER A 12-FOOT PATCH OF LAND ON WHO THAT ACTUALLY BELONGS TO AND THEY TOLD MY NEIGHBOR, WHO IS HERE TODAY, THAT THEY WILL BE ENTERING INTO LITIGATION REGARDING THOSE 12 FEET, SO I DON'T SEE HOW YOU GUYS CAN APPROVE SOMETHING WHERE IT'S UNCLEAR WHO THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY IS. THOSE ARE PRETTY MUCH THE THINGS THAT I HAVE. THE GREEN SPACE IS A BIG DEAL FOR ME, MY KIDS, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU KNOW, THE MICROYARDS THAT THEY ARE PROVIDING THE RESIDENTS THERE ON THE ZERO LOTS IS NOT REALLY ENOUGH FOR US. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU FOR COMING AND SPEAKING. [APPLAUSE] >> [OFF MIC] >> Chair Downs: WE HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE. DID YOU SUBMIT A CARD, SIR? DID YOU SUBMIT A CARD TO SPEAK? COME GET A CARD. YOU CAN FILL IT OUT AFTER YOU SPEAK SIR. THANK YOU. PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME. >> JOE -- >> Chair Downs: STEP TO THE MIC. >> JOE MERCANAS IS MY NAME. I OWN THE PROPERTY NEXT TO BRITNEY. IT'S A DUPLEX. I'M THE LANDLORD AND I HAVE HAD THAT PROPERTY SINCE 1990, MAYBE. KIND OF A STRANGE SITUATION. THE CITY -- >> SIR, FOR THE RECORD, COULD YOU GIVE YOUR ADDRESS? >> 5001 PINEHURST DRIVE, FRISCO TEXAS. >> SORRY ABOUT THAT. >> I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS. THE CITY BACKFILLED BRITNEYS HOME YEARS AGO. THE CITY CAME IN AND CUT SOME KIND OF DEAL WITH THE CHURCH AND REPLATTED THAT LOTND THEY PU, APPARENTLY UNBEKNOWNST TO ME. THAT'S 12-FOOT TO THE EAST -- NO, TO THE WEST OF MY PROPERTY LINE. IT'S BEEN THERE FOR 30 YEARS. I ALWAYS THOUGHT IT WAS MY FENCE. WELL, WHEN THIS WHOLE THING STARTED, DAVID CALLED ME AND SAID, HEY, YOUR FENCE IS 12-FOOT ON MY PROPERTY LINE. I SAID, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? THE CITY PUT THAT FENCE UP. I DIDN'T PUT THAT FENCE UP. I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE MY PROPERTY LINE IS. AND HE SAID, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO CUT YOU A DEAL. WE'RE NOT -- I GO, WAIT A SECOND. WE NEED TO TALK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY. THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME CASE LAW AS TO WHAT'S GOING ON WITH A FENCE THAT WAS PUT UP BY THE CITY AND IT'S BEEN THERE FOR 30 YEARS. AND THEY HAVE AN ATTORNEY CALL ME. BASICALLY SHE'S TELLING ME I'M GOING TO GO TO COURT. THEY OFFER ME $1500 TO MOVE THAT FENCE AND IF I DON'T DO IT, I'M GOING TO COURT WITH THEM. WELL, RIGHT NOW TODAY WHILE THIS WAS GOING ON, DAVID FOUR IS TEXTING ME -- HE'S THE IN TOWN GUY. I KEEP ASKING HIM, DAVID, ARE YOU GOING TO GO IN THERE AND TEAR MY FENCE DOWN? HE REFUSES TO ANSWER. FOUR E-MAILS. AND JUST ESCALATING, DEFLECTION DEFLECTION. FINALLY HE ANSWERS -- AND I CAN READ IT FOR YOU VERBATIM -- BUT BASICALLY IT SAYS, HEY, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GOING TO TEAR THE FENCE DOWN. I DON'T THINK HE CALLED IT MY FENCE. TEAR THE FENCE DOWN UNTIL I CHECK WITH MY ATTORNEY BECAUSEEC LEGAL RIGHT, IF I HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO TEAR DOWN THAT FENCE. I SAID, REALLY? THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TALKING AN I'M ASKING HIM WHY THISS. ATTORNEY IS TALKING TO ME ABOUT GOING TO COURT OVER THIS THING. >> SIR, YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS. >> OKAY. I ONLY ASK THAT YOU DELAY YOUR DECISION -- ERIC'S BEEN GREAT WORKING WITH US BUT HE'S BASICALLY TOLD US YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO PASS THIS THING TONIGHT. AND I ASK THAT YOU JUST WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING. LET US ALL GET TOGETHER WITH THIS GUY, DAVID FOUR. NOBODY WANTS TO STOP THE PROGRESS. WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS THING GOES A LITTLE BI SMOOTHLY. THERE'S ABOUT FIVE ITEMS -- >> SIR, YOU'VE EXCEEDED YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU. WE ASK YOU STOP THE PROCESS UNTIL NEXT MONTH. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION. I'M PHYLLIS JARRELL WITHITY CENTRIC PLANNING, REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT TONIGHT AND I WANTED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES RAISED. IN TERMS OF NOTICE FOR THIS PROJECT -- OF COURSE THERE WAS A ZONING CASE THAT WE WORKED ON LAST YEAR. THE FORMAL PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIRED FOR THE CITY TO GIVE WAS PROVIDED AND MR. HILL HAD PROVIDED THE LIST OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT RECEIVED NOTICES. MS. WARDEN'S MOTHER, I BELIEVE, OWNS THE PROPERTY AND SHE WAS ON THE NOTICE LIST AS WELL AS MR. ERGONIS. NOW, IN ADDITION WE DID HAVE THREE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS AND ALSO SOME E-MAILS BACK AND FORTH WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP WHERE PEOPLE COULD COME IN AND WE PRESENTED OUR DIFFERENT PLANS. OF COURSE THIS PROJECT EVOLVED THROUGH SEVERAL PLANS OVER TIME BUT WE DID MAKE THOSE ATTEMPTS TO REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOLD MEETINGS SO THAT THEY WERE INFORMED OF THE PROGRESS OF THIS PROJECT. IN TERMS OF -- THERE IS A DETACHED GARAGE ON LOT ONE, WHICH IS NEXT TO MS. WARDEN'S PROPERTY AND THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY WE COULD PROVIDE A GARAGE ON THAT LOT AND STILL PROVIDE MANEUVERING ROOM TO GET A CAR IN AND OUT OF IT. IT WOULD SIT FIVE FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINES. FIVE FEET IS THE SIDE AND REAR YARD SETBACK THAT'S ALLOWED IN THE URBAN RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT THAT HAS BEEN IN PLACE ON THIS PROPERTY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. BUT SHE ALSO MENTIONED THE TREE. INTOWN HAS COMMITTED TO ENGAGE A CERTIFIED ARBORIST TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE TREE T SEE IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO AS WE START THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS TO MITIGATE ANY DAMAGE THAT MIGHT OCCUR TO THE TREE, TRY TO PROTECT IT AS MUCH AS WE CAN. SO WE HAVE COMMITTED TO THAT. IN TERMS OF STREET WIDENING, OF COURSE THIS IS THE AREA WHERE THE STREETS WERE BUILT IN THE 19th CENTURY. THEY DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT A RESIDENTIAL STREET BUILT TODAY WOULD. WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE CITY AND THERE WAS SOME TALK OF US DEDICATING ADDITIONAL STREET EASEMENTS. WERE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH THAT WITH THE CITY. IN TERMS OF NOT HAVING SIDEWALKS THAT WOULD BE RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF OUR FRONT PORCHES FOR THE HOUSES. ULTIMATELY IT WOULD BE THE CITY'S DECISION AS TO WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE STREETS IN THIS AREA, IF THEY INTEND TO WIDEN THEM IN THE FUTURE. BUT ANY ADDITIONAL WIDENING IS GOING TO IMPACT EVERYONE'S PROPERTY, JUST LIKE IT WOULD THIS. BUT THAT IS ULTIMATELY THE CITY'S DECISION. AND IN TERMS OF GREEN SPACE, WE DID LOO AT SOME COMMON OPEN SPACE ON THE PROPERTY, AS WE INITIALLY STARTED OUR DESIGN PROCESS. AS WE WENT THROUGH THIS EVOLUTION OF DESIGN, THAT DID -- WAS ELIMINATED FROM OUR PLAN. OF COURSE, WE DID TRY TO SELL THE PROPERTY TO THE CITY FOR A PARK, INITIALLY, BUT THAT WAS TURNED DOWN BY THE CITY COUNCIL. IN TERMS OF MR. ERGONIS AND THE FENCE, WE'VE GONE BACK AND LOOKED AT THE ORIGINAL PLAT FROM 1995 WHEN THE CHURCH CREATED MS. WARDEN'S LOT AS WELL AS THE PARKING LOT,HE ACTUAL L. IT DOES NOT SHOW THE JOG IN THE FENCE THAT IS OUT THERE TODAY. SO INTOWN DID PURCHASE THE 12 FEET OF PROPERTY THAT'S IN CONTENTION. THAT WAS PART OF THE SALE FROM THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH. WE -- INTOWN HAS MADE A PROPOSAL TO MR. ERGONIS. HE MADE A COUNTEROFFER, AS YOU HEARD HIM DISCUSS AND, YOU KNOW, STILL CERTAINLY WANT TO CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS WITH HIM. BUT IT ISN'T AN ISSUE BETWEEN PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS AS TOúT. AGAIN, WE'VE SEEN NO EVIDENCE THAT THE CITY -- WE DON'T KNOW WHO PUT UP THE FENCE. IT'S UNLIKELY THE CITY INSTALLED IT BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN USING PUBLIC FUNDS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY BACK AT THE TIME WHEN MS. WARDEN'S LOT WAS ACQUIRED BY THE CITY, HER HOUSE WAS MOVED ON TO THE PROPERTY AT THAT TIME IN THE MID 1990s. BUT I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN CONFIRM THAT THE CITY INSTALLED THAT FENCE. WE DON'T KNOW WHO PUT IT UP. HEARD MR. ERGONIS SAY HE DOESN'T KNOW EITHER BUT IT IS THERE IN THAT LOCATION ENCROACHING ON TO INTOWN HOMES' PROPERTY. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. WE DO ASK THAT YOU GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THE REPLAT TONIGHT AND WE WOULD LIKE TO GET UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITH THIS PROJECT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. JUST S T COMMISSN IS AWARE, THERE IS A SHOT CLOCK ON THIS ITEM SO WHETHER WE TAKE ACTION OR NOT TONIGHT, IT WOULD BE APPROVED UNDER LAW. A POINT WAS MADE THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY THE LEGAL SIDE IS BETWEEN TWO PRIVATE PARTIES AND THEREFORE REALLY NOT SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONCERN OURSELVES WITH. SO WITH ALL OF THAT SAID, COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. >> Ratliff: JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION. I PRESUME YOU HAVE TITLE POLICY ON THIS THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF ANY DISPUTES BETWEEN YOU AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER. >> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THERE WA A TITLE POLICY ON THE LAND TRANSACTION. >> Ratliff: THANK YOU. >> CHAIR DOWNS, WE HAVE A RESIDENT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, SINCE HER NAME WAS BROUGHT UP IN MS. JARRELL'S PRESENTATION. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. YEAH, YOU'RE NOT THE SAME PERSON WHO SPOKE EARLIER. OKAY. VERY GOOD. >> MY NAME IS LINDA CROSON. I RESIDE AT 1568 SPARROW LANE, RICHARDSON TEXAS. I AM THE OWNER OF 1510 M AVENUE, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY THAT MS. WARDEN, MY DAUGHTER AND MY GRANDCHILDREN ARE LIVING IN. FIRST, ABOUT THE NOTICE. IF I WAS ON THE LIST, I HAVE LIVED IN THAT HOUSE FOR THREE YEARS. I HAVE NO PROBLEM GETTING MY MAIL. I'M NOT SURE WHY I DIDN'T GET THAT NOTICE BUT I WOULD LIKE A COPY OF THAT LETTER, IF I COULD GET THAT. AND I WOULD LIKE A LIST OF WHO ALL IT DID GO TO BECAUSE I'M GOING TO CANVASS THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE I HAVE TALKED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO DID NOT GET THOSE LETTERS. SO THAT'S MY FIRST CONCERN. MY SECOND CONCERN IS WE ARE PUTTING A LOT OF MONEY INTO THAT HOUSE TO RENOVATE IT SO THAT OUR GRANDCHILDREN WILL HAVE A WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE IN THAT PART OF TOWN, WHICH IS WHERE MY DAUGHTER GREW UP. AND WE TOOK A LOT OF TIME AND CONSIDERATION IN FIGURING OUT WHERE WE WOULD PUT OUR GARAGE SO THAT WE WOULD NOT DAMAGE THAT AMAZING TREE. WE BROUGHT AN ARBORIST IN. HE TOLD US WE HAD TO PUSH IT BACK. WE DIDN'T WANT TO. WE LOST A LOT OF PHYSICAL YARD SPACE FOR THE KIDS B TO SAVE THAT BEAUTIFUL TREE WE CHOSE TO DO IT. WE WERE ALSO CONCERNED THAT IF WE DIDN'T, IT WAS GOING TO FALL OVER ON OUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. THAT'S A BIG CONCERN. THERE'S SEVERAL PEOPLE LIVING IN THAT PROPERTY AS WELL. THAT TREE SHOULD BE A CONCERN OF EVERYBODY'S. IT'S OVER 100 YEARS OLD AND I CAN'T EVEN GET MY ARMS AROUND IT. TO PUT A GARAGE FIVE FEET ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT WILL KILL OF THAT PAIN-STAYING PROCESSL- TO SAVE IT, WOULD BE A REAL DISGRACE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THE STREETS. PARKING, I KNOW THAT RICEFIELD HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP SEVERAL TIMES TONIGHT. IT IS A BEAUTIFUL AREA. THAT'S A GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THE PARKING IS A HUGE PROBLEM THERE. THERE IS JUST NOT ENOUGH SPACE IN THE INTOWN DESIGNS TO SUPPORT THE AMOUNT OF CARS THAT WILL ULTIMATELY LIVE IN THAT SPACE, WHICH MEANS THEY WILL BE PARKING ON THE STREET. THOSE STREETS ARE ALREADY NARROW. I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK WHEN YOU'VE GOT SO MANY PEOPLE GOING BACK AND FORTH AND OLD DOWNTOWN PLANO HAVING A GREAT TIME AND HAVING TO MANEUVER BETWEEN THOSE TWO VERY NARROW AREAS AND THEN CARS PARKED ON EITHER SIDE. I JUST WANTED TO SAY IF NOTICES WENT OUT, I'M SURPRISED THAT I DIDN'T GET IT. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT AND I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE THIS DISCUSSION UNTIL WE CAN GET THAT LETTER AND MAKE SURE -- >> MA'AM, YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS. >> THAT'S IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. APPRECIATE IT. [CHEERING AND APPLAUSE] >> Chair Downs: OKAY. THANK YOU. >> CAN I ASK ONE QUICK QUESTION? VERY QUICK QUESTION. CAN I ASK? ACTUALLY EITHER/OR. WHOSE LAND IS THE TREE ON? >> MINE. >> Olley: JUST CLARIFYING. >> Chair Downs: TO BE CLEAR, IF WE TABLED THIS, IT WOULDN'T MATTER. THERE IS AN AUTOMATIC SHOT CLOCK RUNNING THAT'S GOING TO -- IT WOULD PASS. IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE ITEM, NOT A LEGISLATIVE SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THE POWER TO DELAY THIS INDEFINITELY. SECONDLY, I HAVE GREAT CONFIDENCE THAT OUR STAFF SENT OUT NICES AND THEY WILL PRIDE YOU WH THE NOTICE THAT WENT OUT. I HAVE ZERO DOUBT THAT EVERYONE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN NOTICED, WAS NOTICED. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE U.S. POSTAL SERVICE. I AM NOW GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL HAVE OUR DISCUSSION. >> THANK YOU. MR. CHAIRMAN, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FOR US TO DENY THIS, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE SOMETHING FUNDAMENALLY WRONG WITH THE SURVEY AND REPLAT, IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> SO SEEING THAT -- I DON'T SEE A SIGNATURE ON THE SURVEY BUT I CERTAINLY SEE A NAME AND A COMPANY. I CAN ONLY ASSUME THAT THE SURVEY IS CORRECT. SO IF I'M LOOKING AT IT WITH THE STAFF SUPPORT, I THINK WE HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO APPROVE THIS AS PRESENTED BY STAFF, SUBJET TO THE ADDITIONS OR ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEER PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. >> Chair Downs: THAT WAS A MOTION? >> YES, SIR. >> BEFORE WE VOTE, CAN I ASK MICHELLE A QUESTION? >> DO YOU WANT A SECOND FIRST? >> Chair Downs: SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. ALL RIGHT. DOES EVERYBODY GOT THEIR INFORMATION THEY NEED? MAY OR MAY NOT BE HAPPY BUT YOU'VE GOT YOUR INFORMATION. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. I'LL REPEAT THAT. A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HORNE TO APPROVE ITEM 4, SUBJECT TO ALTERATIONS, ADDITIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 7 WITH ONE ABSTENTION. 7-0 AND 1. MR. STONE ABSTAINED. ALL RIGHT. LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM 5. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 5. PUBLIC HEARING - REPLAT, REVISED SITE PLAN, AND PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN: VILLAGE AT 121 ADDITION, BLOCK 1, LOTS 1R, AND 14-18 - P ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE, RESTAURANT, AND RETAIL ON SIX LOTS ON 24.9 ACRES LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF STATE HIGHWAY 121 AND PRESTON ROAD. ZONED COMMERCIAL EMPLOYMENT AND LOCATED WITHIN THE STATE HIGHWA 121 AND PRESTON ROAD OVERLAY DI APPLICANT: 121 VILLAGE, LTD, VILLAGE 121 CORNER DEVELOPMENT, LTD., AND G. RUBIO ENTERPRISES . THIS IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION. >> THESE ITEMS ARE RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, I'LL OPENHE PUIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> THE APPLICANT, OMAR RUBIO, IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. >> Chair Downs: ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONFINE THE DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER OLLEY. >> Olley: I MOVE WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NO. 5 AS SUBMITTED. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: MOTION BY COMMISSIONER OLLEY WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY TO APPROVE ITEM 5. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES-0. ITEM 6. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 6. PUBLIC HEARING - PRELIMINARY REPLAT AND REVISED SITE PLAN: CENTRAL PLANO INDUSTRIAL PARK 1, BLOCK 1, LOT 2R - WAREHOUSE/DISTRIBUTION CENTER O ONE LOT ON 5.3 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF STEWART AVENUE AND SUMMIT AVENU ZONED LIGHT INDUSTRIAL 1. APPLICANT: STEWART EPA, LLC. ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION. >> GOOD EVENING. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE ADDITIONS AND ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND THE STAFF RECOMMENDS THE SITE PLAN FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL OPEN THE HEARING. ARE THERE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS? >> THIS IS MY MISTAKE. OMAR RUBIO IS THE APPLICANT FOR THIS AGENDA ITEM NO. 6 AND IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. MY APOLOGIES. >> Chair Downs: VERY GOOD. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NON WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONFINE DISCUSSIONS TO THE COMMISSION. >> I MOVE -- GO AHEAD. >> MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NO. 6, RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLAN AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. THAT WOULD BE THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT. AND THEN I MOVE WE APPROVE THE REVISED SITE PLAN AS SUBMITTED. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HORNE WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY TO APPROVE ITEM 6 SJECT TO STAFF RECOMMENDATION. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 8-0. WE'RE ON WE'RE ON A ROLL. >> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7, I'M SORRY. PUBLIC HEARING, PRELIMINARY REPLAT: PLANO BANK & TRUST ADDITION, BLOCK 1, LOT 1R - ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY ON ONE LOT ON 2.4 ACRES LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF ALMA DRIVE, 203 FEET NORTH OF 16TH STREET. ZONED CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL WITH SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NO. 637 FOR ASSISTED LIVING FACILITY. APPLICANT: CEDAR RIDGE HEALTHCARE HEALTHCARE SYSTEM, LLC (ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION) >> RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO ALTERATIONS FROM THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COMMISSIONER HORNE, YOUR MIC IS ON. OKAY. THANK YOU. I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU HAD SOMETHING. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE ONLINE FOR ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. >> Chair Downs: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THIS SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: YOU'RE A LITTLE SLOW TONIGHT, COMMISSIONER TONG. [ LAUGHING ] >> Chair Downs: THESE GUYS ARE IN A HURRY. ALL RIGHT. SO, WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISONERRONSKY WIT A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STONE TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 7. PLEASE VOTE. YOU GUYS SHOULD BE GENTLEMEN. LADIES FIRST. THAT ITEM WAS APPROVED 8-0. ITEM 8. >> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8, PUBLIC HEARING - PRELIMINARY REPLAT: RIDHI-SIDHI ADDITION, BLOCK A, LOT 1R - HOTEL ON ONE LOT ON 1.9 ACRES LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF PREMIER DRIVE, 640 FEET SOUTH OF RUISSEAU DRIVE. ZONED CORRIDOR COMMERCIAL. APPLICANT: NIDHI LODGING, LTD. ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION. >> STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> I HAVE A QUICK ONE. DO YOU KNOW WHERE ON THIS UNUSUALLY SHAPED SITE THE ACTUAL HOTEL IS GOING TO SIT? >> YEAH, IT'S GOING TO BE KIND OF WHERE THAT LOT 1BLOC A ON THE GRAPHIC IS SHOWN. THAT'S GOING TO BE THE GENERAL LOCATION OF IT. >> UP TOWARD PREMIER? >> YEAH. >> WHAT'S THIS LEG SHOOTING OFF TO THE BACK? >> THAT'S GOING TO BE PARKING AND THE DUMPSTER IS LOCATED THERE. >> IS THERE A HOLDING POND FOR RUNOFF SOMEWHERE ON THIS SITE ALSO? >> NOT ON THIS SITE, I DON'T BELIEVE. THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED BY -- THE PRELIMINARY PLAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY ENGINEERING AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO BE REVIEWING THE CIVILES. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. VERY GOOD. [ LAUGHING ] YOU READY? [ LAUGHING ] >> Tong: I MOVE TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8, SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND/OR ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. >> SECOND.owns: NAILED IT. >> GOHEAD. >> Chair Downs: MOTION BY COMMISSIONER TONG WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM 8. PLEASE VOTE. SORRY, EVERYBODY, IT'S LATE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 8-0. ALMOST THERE. ITEM 9. >> AGENDA ITEM 9, PUBLIC HEARING - REVISED PRELIMINARY REPLAT: WILLOW BEND POLO ESTATES PHASE B, BLOCK B, LOTS 1R-19 & BLOCK X, LOTS 1-4 - 19 PATIO HOME LOTS AND FOUR MMON AREA LOTS ON 3.1 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF TURTLE CREEK DRIVE AND OLD WESTBURY LANE. ZONED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT-423-PATIO HOME. APPLICANT: SHADDOCK ACQUISITIONS LLC ADMIN ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION NEVER MIND >> THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO TABLE THIS UNTIL SEPTEMBER. STAFF RECOMMENDS THE COMMISSION TO ACCEPT THE TABLING REQUEST. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS RECOMMENDATION? >> JUST ONE. ANY PARTICULAR REASON WHY FOR THE TABLING? >> CURRENTLY THERE ARE EASEMENTS ON THE NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY. THE APPLICANT WISHES TO ADD THOSE AS OPEN SPACE LOTS AND HAVE IT GOVERNED BY THE HOA. AND THAT WILL ADD FOUR ADDITIONAL OPEN SPACE LOTS THAT CURRENTLY ARE AS EASEMENTS. AND ALSO, THEY ARE PROPOSING A UNIQUE BUILDING LAYOUT AND THEY ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE THAT LAYOUT WITHIN THE ZONING REALLY AND THESETBACK THE ZONING DISTRS ALLOWING THEM. >> Chair Downs: COMMISSIONER BRONSKY? >> Bronsky: MY ONLY QUESTION WAS, IS THIS A SHOT CLOCK ISSUE IN TABLING IT? >> THIS ITEM IS ON SHOT CLOCK, BUT THEY COULD STILL GO TO THE NEXT MEETING WITHOUT THEIR EXTENSION. HOWEVER, AT THE NEXT MEETING, IT WOULD NEED TO BE APPROVED OR THE APPLICANT COULD REQUEST THEIR EXTENSION. >> Bronsky: IT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE ITEM? >> Chair Downs: YES. >> Bronsky: THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. >> OF COURSE. >> Chair Downs: OKAY, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. I BELIEVE WE HAVE A SPEAKER. >> WE HAVE THREE SPEAKERS. >> Chair Downs: OH, THREE. >> I WILL CALL ALL THREE DOWN. FIRST IS ROBBIE JOHN. AND IF TIM RUSSBILLY -- GO AHEAD AND HAVE A SEAT, AND SAID, GO AHEAD AND HAVE A SEAT. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: IF YOU'D PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> I AM A RESIDENT OF 5948 TURTLE CREEK. THIS PROJECT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS BACK SMACK IN FRONT OF MY AUTIFUL [ INDISCERNIBLE ]. BUT STILL I AM NEUTRAL ABOUT THIS PROJECT. IN THE PAST, AS WELL AS NOW, I HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE DEVELOPER AND I'D LIKE TO MAINTAIN THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM. WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THIS CHANGE IS BEING PROPOSED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, PLANNING DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY OF PLANO. TWO-THREE WEEKS AGO, I GOT THIS UNDATED LETTER FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. ALL IT TELLS ME, ORIGINALLY THERE WERE 19 LOTS AND NOW THERE ARE GOING TO BE 23. THAT'S IT. YOU COME TO THE MEETING ON 15TH OF THIS MONTH. ON THE BACK IT SHOWS ME NOTHING BUT THE SAME PLAN THAT WE HAD APPROVED -- THE CITY HAD APPROVED -- THE COMMISSIONERS APPROVED LAST YEAR. ON PAGE 3 IS THE SAME PLAN ON A LITTLE BIT BIGGER M AS IT'S SHOWN THERE. ON THE BACK, ALL THEY ASK ME TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE OR I'M NEUTRAL. NO INFORMATION WHAT THE CHANGES ARE ABOUT. ONLY THING TOLD IS 19 LOTS ARE BEING CHANGED INTO 23. THAT'S IT. AND WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO GIVE OUR, YOU KNOW, APPROVAL, DISAPPROVAL. I FEEL LIKE THIS IS VERY UNPROFESSIONAL. SO WE CALLED THE CITY AND ASKED THEM FOR INFORMATION. I CALLED THE PERSON LISTE ON HERE. HE'S ABSENT ON THE DAY. I CALL AGAIN, LEFT A MESSAGE. NEVER GOT A CALL BACK. WE ASKED THE RECEPTIONIST TO HAVE THE PERSON CALL ME BACK. NOTHING HAPPENS. I SPEAK TO THE PERSON NEXT HIGHER TO HIM. HE PROMISE ME THAT HE WILL HAVE THIS PERSON CALL ME BACK IN TWO-THREE DAYS. AND I TOLD HIM, WELL, WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE FLOODING ISSUES. HE SAID WELL, WE NEED TO HAVE YOU TALK TO THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. WE WILL SET UP A PHONE CALL WITH THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. NOTHING HAPPENED. SO I CALLED AND HE SAID WELL, I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT . . . I WAS TOLD -- >> SIR -- >> YOU RECEIVED A LETTER, YOU WILL RECEIVE A LETTER TELLING WHAT THE CHANGES ARE. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED. WE ASKED ABOUT THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. NOBODY CAN TALK TO ME. NEIGHBOROD GOT AHOLD OF THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT, BUT THEY WERE NOT FORTHCOMING. SO WE DO NOT KNOW HOW TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE THIS PROJECT. HOWEVER, MY NEIGHBOR HAS SEVERAL CONCERNS ABOUT THE FLOODING. SO I BROUGHT THEM ALONG TO ADDRESS THE FLOODING ISSUES IF THESE CHANGES GO THROUGH. THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS SIR. >> MY NAME IS SAID ROSE, SEVEN, 43 YEARS DOING DESIGN FOR WATER. >> Chair Downs: WHT IS YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE? >> 5928 TURTLE CREEK. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. >> AND YEAH, I'VE BEEN DESIGNING FOR 43 YEARS, UNDERGROUND UTILITIES SUCH AS WATER, WASTEWATER, AND STORM, SEWER. SINCE WE GOT THIS PROJECT GOING, THE DRAINAGE ISSUE CAME UP DURING THE HOA MEETI. AND ALSO, DURING THE TIME THAT YOU APPROVED IT A FEW MONTHS AGO. SO, NOTHING WAS DONE FOR THE DRAINAGE, BECAUSE ALL THIS RUNOFF WILL COME TO TURTLE CREEK DRIVE AND WILL GO TO THE TURTLE CREEK -- ON THE SIDE OF MY HOUSE. ANYHOW, ANYTIME RAIN SUCH AS THE OTHER DAY, THE STREET GETS FLOODED. THE INLET CANNOT TAKE IT. AND NOW BUILDING 19 HOUSES, WHH WOULD ALL BE SHINGLES AND CONCRETE, NO PLACE FOR THE WATER TO, YOU KNOW, ABSORB TO THE GROUND, ALL THAT WILL COME AND ADD TO THE EXTRA DRAINAGE THAT WE HAVE ALREADY. SO, WE TALKED TO THE -- WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON UNTIL THE PROJECT STARTED. AND WE SAW THE THOUSANDS OF CUBIC YARDS OF DIRT WHICH IS LIKE A BLACK GUMBO COMING AND SPREADING THIS PROPERTY, WHICH IS THREE ACRES. AND THE ELEVATION -- THEY RAISED THE ELEVATION TO SUCH A POINT THAT IT IS NOW ABOUT TWO FEET FROM THE STREET AT THE BEGINNING UNTIL SIX FEET TALLER ON THE OTHER SIDE. IS IT STILL -- OKAY. HERE YOU'RE SEEING HOW TALL WOULD BE THE STREET GRADE COMPARED TO THE FIELD THAT THEY DID. IT'S ABOUT ALMOST SIX FEET ABOVE MY HEAD. AND I KNOW THE WAY THEY DID IT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO CONSIDER PUTTING STORM DRAINAGE. ALL THE RUNOFF WILL GO TO THE STREET SIDE NOW. AGAIN, IT WILL ADD TO THE EXTRA WATER THAT WE HAVE ALREADY. SO, HERE IS ANOTHER ONE. THIS IS LOOKING ON OLD WESTBURY LANE AT TURTLE CREEK DRIVE. >> SIR, YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS. >> HERE IS THE OTHER ONE YOU SEE, THERE'S A CORNER OF WESTBURY AND OLD . . . WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, TURTLE CREEK AND OLD WESTBURY LANE. AND WHEN YOU STAND UP, YOU SEE THAT ON BOTH SIDES, THE LOT IS ELEVATED TO A POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE LIKE A HILL. SO, WHEN THEY BUILD THESE HOUSES ON TOP OF THIS ELEVATION, IT WOULD BE REAL TALLER THAN THE OTHER HOUSES SURROUNDING IT. AND IT WOULD BE LIKE AN EYESORE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> SIR, YOU'VE REACHED YOUR THREE MINUTES. >> YEAH, JUST -- SO, WE HAD SET UP AEETI AT THE SITE WITH THE CITY ENGINEER AND THE CONSULTANT. AND THE CONSULTANT SAID I KNOW YOUR PROBLEM. I BELIEVE WHAT'S GOING ON. I CAN'T DO NOTHING ABOUT IT BECAUSE THEY TOLD ME WHAT I HAD TO DO AND I DID IT. AND ERIC -- >> Chair Downs: PLEASE WRAP UP SIR. >> YEAH. AND YES, CITY ENGINEER SAYS THAT WE KNOW THE PROBLEM, AND THE ISSUE IS THE DRAINAGE. AND WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, BUT IS NOT A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT AND WE DON'T KNOW WHEN WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT ON THE SCHEDULE. SO WE JUST WANT SOMETHING FROM THE CITY -- ASSURANCE THAT IF WE GET FLOODED, THEN WE CAN TELL THEM HEY, WE TOLD YOU ABOUT IT AND YOU ALL DIDN'T DO NOTHING ABOUT IT. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. >> THANK YOU. >> Chair Downs: NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS TIM. I RESIDE AT 5937 TURTLE CREEK DRIVE. OBVIOUSLY A LARGE CONCERN IS THE WATER DRAINAGE. THE MAIN ISSUE, AS WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT SURFACE DRAINAGE DUE TO THE CHANGE M IN PATTERNS, BASEDN THE CURRENT IMPROVEMENT COMPLETED, THE IMMEDIATE ISSUE RAISING GRADES AND DUMPING WATER ONTO PRIVATE PROPERTYRER VERTS BACK TO TEXAS LAW WHICH DOES NOT ALLOW FOR LOT TO LOT DRAINAGE. YOU CANNOT DEVELOP THE PROPERTY TO DRAIN ONTO ANOTHER PROPERTY WITHOUT PROPER CONTAINMENT. THE CURRENT HOMES TO THE SOUTH AND SOUTHEAST WILL BE AFFECTED DIRECTLY, CONSIDERING THEY HAVE FAILED TO CONNECT FOR QUANTITY, VOLUME STORAGE. THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING TO IMPROVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH STRUGGLES TO MAINTAIN WITH THEIR CURRENT DRAINAGE. ASIDE FROM THAT, YOU'RE BUILDING 19 PATIO HOMES ON THREE ACRES WHEN THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD HAS 19 HOMES SPREAD ACROSS TEN ACRES. ASIDE FROM THE DRAINAGE CONCERNS, AN ADDITIONAL 19 HOMES AT 4500 SQUARE FEET PER HOME IS SUITABLE FOR A FOUR TO FIVE-PERSON HOUSEHOLD, AN ADDITIONAL 75 TO 80 RESIDENTS. SO THIS ISSUE RAISES THE CONCERN FOR PARKI. AS THE FRONT SIDE OF THESE HOMES DO NOT SUPPORT ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR THE PROPOSED HOME COUNT. WE WOULD JUST LIKE FOR THE CITY -- WE'RE NOT SAYING DON'T DO THE DEVELOPMENT. OBVIOUSLY THEY'VE ALREADY BROKE GROUND, REMOVED THE TENNIS COURT THAT WAS ALREADY THERE. WE WOULD LIKE THEM -- FOR THEM TO REEVALUATE THIS SITE PLAN AND PUT SOMETHING THAT BELONGS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ACTUALLY, THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPER'S FATHER -- OR THE DEVELOPER'S FATHER PREVIOUSLY BUILT ON THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. HE SHOULD DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO SUPPORT THE CURRENT HOMEOWNERS, YOU KNOW. SO, THAT'S IT. I JUST WANTED -- THAT'S THE MAIN THING WAS WITH THE DRAINAGE. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU. >> AS WELL AS PARKING. >> Chair Downs: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONFINE DISCUSSIONS TO THE COMMISSION. I DO WANT TO ASK A QUESTION. WE'RE GOING TO TABLE THIS. I RECALL THIS CASE. AND I RECALL THE DRAINAGE BEING SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP ALL THE WAY BACK AT THE ZONING DECISION. AND WE HAD A LOT OF SPEAKERS THAT CAME IN. AND FROM THE BEGINNING, DRAINAGE WAS THE CHALLENGE. I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ANSWER TONIGHT, BUT I WOULD LIKE FOR STAFF TO SERIOUSLY LOOK INTO WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE DRAINAGE THING HERE. BECAUSE I DROVE BY IT AND I 100% SEE WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. IF THERE IS NO CATCH BASIN OR NO WAY TO CAPTURE THE WATER ON THIS THREE ACRES, IT'S GOING TO INUNDATE THAT STREET AND THERE IS NO WAY THERE'S ENOUGH RIGHT THERE. SO I WOULD LOVE FOR STAFF TO GET WITH ENGINEERING AND WHEN WE COME BACK ON SEPTEMBER 6TH, I'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME RORT. I KW THIS IS ADMINISTRATIVE. I KNOW WE'VE GOT A SHOT CLOCK, BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE NOT BEING HEARD AND I HAVE CONCERNS, SO. >> YEAH, WE CAN DEFINITELY PROVIDE INFORMATION. I DO WANT TO SAY THIS WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS WITH THE APPLICANTS. WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM. I THINK THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, COMMENTS ABOUT COMMUNICATION THAT I WOULD SAY ARE NOT QUITE ACCURATE. SO, WE HAVE BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH THEM. THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT IS WELL AWARE OF THE SITUATION. THEY'RE REVIEWING IT WITH THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER AND WE WILL MAKE SURE IT MEETS THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS, B WEAN DISCUSS WITH OUR ENGINEERING TEAM AND ASK THEM TO COME TO THE NEXT MEETING FOR ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: PLEASE ASK THEM TO COME. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR. WHEN I WENT THERE -- I HAD NO IDEA, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TELL ON SITE PLANS WHEN THEY'RE DEVELOPED THAT THEY'RE PLANNING ON RAISING THE HOUSES SIX FEET ABOVE THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD. IF I HAD KNOWN THAT EARLY ON I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE ASKED HARDER QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. SO, ANYWAY, THERE'S LOTS OF LIGHTS ON ALL OF A SUDDEN HERE. WE'LL GO WITH THE LADIES FIRST. >> Tong: I JUST HAVE ONE -- YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE'S A SHOTLOCK ALREA ON THIS ONE. SO, WHEN IS THE DEADLINE THAT WE HAVE? >> Chair Downs: BEYOND SEPTEMBER 6TH. WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE SOME ACTION SEPTEMBER 6TH. >> Tong: OKAY. >> Chair Downs: IF WE WERE GOING TO TAKE ACTION. COMMISSIONER STONE. >> Stone: YES, WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE ASKED TO APPROVE? >> Chair Downs: TONIGHT? WE'RE ONLY BEING ASKED TO APPROVE THE TABLING. >> Stone: NEXT WEEK, THEN. WHAT CHANGES ARE HAPPENING TO THIS DOCUMENT? IS IT THE DESIGNATION OF THESE FOUR LOTS INTO COMMON PROPERTY? >> THAT IS CORRECT. AND ALSO THERE IS A SETBACK THAT IS SHOWN ON THE PLAT THAT MAY CHANGE. WE DON'T KNOW YET. THE APPLICANT IS WORKING ON THE LAYOUT CURRENTLY. >> Stone: SO WHEN WE SAW THIS PROJECT INITIALLY, THERE WERE 23 SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS TO DEVELOP? >> Chair Downs: NO. >> THERE WERE 19 SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS AND THEY HAD LANDSCAPE EASEMENTS, BUT NOW IT IS GOING TO BE 19 SINGLE-FAMILY LOTS UNCHANGED, PLUS 4PEN SPACE LOTS. >> Stone: OKAY. SO THE 19 LOTS THAT WE ARE NOW LOOKING AT HAVE SHRUNK A LITTLE BIT, IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? >> NO. THEY ARE MAKING THOSE EASEMENTS AS OPEN SPACE LOTS. SO ESSENTIALLY, IT IS THE SAME LAYOUT, BUT INSTEAD OF BEING AN EASEMENT IT IS GOING TO BE OPEN SPACE. IN A SENSE, YES, FOUR OF THOSE LOTS WILL BE REDUCED IN AREA. AND I HAVE AN EXHIBIT I CAN -- >> Chair Downs: NOT ADDING ANY HOUSING OR ANYING,HEY' JUST TAKING LAND TT WAS -- >> Stone: I'M MORE CONCERNED THAT THERE USED TO BE 23 LOTS. >> Chair Downs: IT WAS ALWAYS 19. >> Stone: IT WAS ONLY 19. >> Chair Downs: THERE WERE 19 LOTS WITH FOUR EASEMENTS. AND THOSE EASEMENTS ARE NOW GOING TO BE MADE INTO -- >> Stone: SO THE -- >> Chair Downs: OPEN SPACE. >> Stone: THE 19 LOTS ARE THE SAME SIZE THEY WERE WHEN WE LOOKED AT THEM. >> Chair Downs: YES. >> Stone: OKAY. >> THE LOTS MAY BE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER. >> Stone: THAT'S MY CONCERN. >> YOU SEE THE IMAGE BEFORE YOU. >> Chair Downs: YEAH. >> THESE GREEN AREAS WERE EASEMENTS PREVIOUSLY AND THEY WERE WITHIN THE ADJACENT LOTS. SO THE LOTS WERE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER. NOW THIS PROPOSAL THAT'S GOING TO COME BACK ON THE 6TH IS TO REDUCE THOSE FOUR LOTS SLIGHTLY AND MAKE THOSE GREEN AREAS THEIR OWN LOTS. >> Stone: OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. >> ALL I WANT TO SAY IS, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH WHAT CHAIRMAN DOWNS HAS SAID. TO BE LOOKING AT TURTLE CREEK AND LIVING THERE, AND STARING AT HOUSES THAT ARE ALL OF A SUDDEN FOUR TO SIX FEET TALLER THAN MY HOUSE, THAT IS JUST WAITING TO HAVE A FLOOD HAPPEN. AND SO I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO HEAR SOME COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK FROM OUR ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO PROTECT THESE RESIDENTS, AND IN DOING THAT, I AM VERY HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THAT WE TABLE THIS UNTIL THE 6TH OF SEPTEMBER. >> JUST A COUPLE THINGS, BECAUSE I GOT A CALL FROM SOME HOMEOWNERS ABOUT THIS, AND THE FIRST THING I WANT TO DO IS MAKE CLEAR THERE ARE SLLNLY GOING TO BE 19 HOMES HERE. THE EXTRA FOUR LOTS -- THERE WAS CONFUSION AROUND THIS. ERIC HELPED ME, THE FOUR LOTS ARE THE COMMON AREAS. THEY'RE NOT ADDING TO HOME COUNTS HERE, BUT I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. ONE, ARE THEY ALLOWED BY CODE TO RAISE THESE LOTS IF THEY ARE SI? I'M GOING TO ASSUME THEY MIGHT BE. HOW MUCH CAN THEY RAISE THOSE LOTS? CAN THEY DO THAT? >> SO, THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT DOES LOOK AT THE GRADE OF THE AREA. AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE DRAINAGE REQUIREMENTS, THE GRADING REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY HAVE IN PLACE, THEN, YES, THEY COULD MODIFY THE GRADE FOR THOSE. IF THEY'RE GOING TO RAISE THEM TOO MUCH IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE DRAINAGE AND SOME OTHER CONDITIONS. >> COULD THEY RAISE THEM TEN FEET? WHAT LIMITS ARE THERE? >> I DON'T THINK THEY COULD RAISE THEM TEN FEET. I'M NOT AN ENGINEER. THEY HAVE TO BE SOMEWHAT IN LINE WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, THE ADJACENT STREETS. THERE'S HEIGHT LIMITATIONS WEB OUR REGULATIONS AS WELL. ENGINEERING IS LOOKING AT ALL THIS. THIS IS NOT RELATED TO THE PLAT. IT'S REALLY AN ENGINEERING ISSUE AND WE DO HAVE ENGINEERING REGULATIONS THAT CONTROL THAT. >> WHICH LEADS ME TO THE NEXT POINT. THIS IS GOING TO COME BACK AND OUR DUTIES AREN'T GOING TO CHANGE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT IS HOW DOES THE CITY ADDRESS THE CITIZENS' CONCERNS ON THIS IF THEY'RE VALID, BECAUSE OUR HANDS ARE LARGELY GOING TO BE TIED FROM AN ADMINISTRATIVE POINT OF VIEW WHEN WE COME BACK. FOR ALL OF US, PEACE OF MIND IF WE CAN FIND OUT THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS WE THINK ARE PROBLEMS ARE BEING ADDRESSED, THEN THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING AS WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THIS. BUT I DON'T KNOW W MUC ABILITY WE HAVE TO DO ANYTHING ONCE YOU GUYS APPROVE IT. >> I AGREE. THE ONLY THING I'LL PROBABLY ASK IS, LIKE WE'VE APPROVED A LOT OF THINGS SUBJECT TO ENGINEERING'S ALTERATIONS, WHAT HAVE YOU. PERHAPS FOR THIS WE NEED AN ACTUAL REPORT OF SOME KIND JUST FOR OUR KNOWLEDGE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT EXACTLY IS BEING DONE TO MITIGATE THE CONCERNS. AGAIN, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO TO STOP IT, BUT IT AT LEAST SHOWS A GOOD FAITH EFFORT THAT WE ARE ADDRESSING THEIR CONCERNS. Cha Downs: THANK YOU. MR. HILL HAS INDICATED HE WOULD TRY TO HAVE ENGINEERING HERE AT OUR NEXT MEETING SO WE COULD ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER HORNE. >> Horne: BUT AGAIN, ON A PLAT APPROVAL, IF THERE'S SOMETHING FROM AN ENGINEERING OR SURVEY PERSPECTIVE THAT IS NOT TO CODE OR INFRINGES ON OTHER PEOPLE'S PROPERTY, THEN I DO BELIEVE AT THAT POINT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DISAPPROVE THE PLAT. IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT. IF IT DOES NOT MEET THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS, THEN YOU CAN DISAPPROVE IT. >> Chair Downs: AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO WANT OUR CLARIFICATION NEXT WEEK, IS THAT NOTHING THAT THEY'RE DOING IS VIOLATING OUR LEGAL REQUIREMENTS, OUR ORDINANCES, OUR CODE ORDINANCES. OKAY. COMMISSIONER BRONSKY MADE A MOTION TO TABLE. CAN I GET A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: I HAVE A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HORNE. PLEASE VOTE. ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS APPROVED 8-0 TO TABLE THIS ITEM UNTIL SEPTEMBER 6TH, WHERE WE'LL GET A LOT MORE INFORMATION. ITEM0. >> NONPUBLIC HEARING ITEMS -- THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT LIMITED PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH OF THE AGENDA, AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY, AND MAY INCLUDE A TOTAL TIME LIMIT. >> Chair Downs: SOMEBODY FORGOT THEIR GLASSES. >> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 10, DISCUSSION AND ACTION - SITE PLAN: RUSCHHAUPT ADDITION, BLOCK A, LOT 2 - UTILITY DISTRIBUTION/TRANSMISSION LINES ON ONE LOT ON 0.7 ACRE LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF K AVENUE AND PLANO PARKWAY. ZONED LIGHT COMMERCIAL AND LOCATED WITHIN THE 190 TOLLWAY/PLANO PARKWAY OVERLAY DISTRICT. APPLICANT: ATMOS ENERGY CORPORATION IT'S ADMINISTRATIVE CONSIDERATION. >> THE PURPOSE FOR THE SITE PLAN IS TO SHOW THE PROPOSED MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, FENCE, LANDSCAPE, AND OTHER SITE IMPROVEMENTS. THIS PLAN -- SITE PLAN WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON FEBRUARY 7TH, 2022, THEN HEARD AT THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. THE BOARD GAVE FEEDBACK AND IT WAS WITHDRAWN FROM CONSIDERATION BY THE APPLICANT BEFORE A VOTE WAS TAKEN. THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN COORDINATING WITH STAFF ON OPTIONS TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES DISCUSSED BY THE BOARD. THIS HAS RESULTED IN CHANGES TO THE SITE PLAN THAT REQUIRE A NEW PLAN TO BE PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THE SEVEN VARIANCES SHOWN ON THE SCREEN. AND THIS IS TO DEVELOP THEIR PROPOSED EQUIPMENT. THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED THE SITE PLAN SO THAT IT CAN BE ACTED UPON PRIOR TO THE HEARING OF THE VARIANCES. THE COMMISSION LACKS JURISDICTION TO APPROVE OR DENY THE REQUESTED VARIANCES. THE APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN SIMPLY ALLOWS THE APPLICANT TO MOVE FORWARD AND SUBMIT THE VARIANCE REQUESTS, WHICH WILL THEN FOLLOW THE NORMAL BOARD PROCESS WITH THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. IF THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT DOES NOT APPROVE THE VARIANCES, THE APPLICANT WILL NEED TO MODIFY THE SITE PLAN TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT LISTED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. THIS ITEM IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT GRANTING THE VARIANCES LISTED ON THE SCREEN AND IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Chair Downs: SO, JUST TO BE CLEAR, I MEAN, WE APPROVED THIS IN FEBRUARY. THEY WANT TO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT SAID, TWEAK THIS, TWEAK THAT. AND THEY SAID, GREAT, WE'LL DO THAT. RATHER THAN GET DENIED THEY SAID, LET'S PULL IT, WE'LL RUN BACK THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN. SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT ANYTHING SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THERE'S ENOUGH CHANGES SO THAT THEY MIGHT GET THE VARIANCES THEY NEED TO ACTUALLY MAKE THIS WORK ACCORDING TO THEIR NEEDS, WHICH IS VERY CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. SO, DID I STATE THAT PROPERLY? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> Chair Downs: VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON IT? >> NO, WE DO NOT. >> Chair Downs: OKAY. THAT BEING SAID, I'M OPEN TO QUESTIONS COMMENTS. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE APPROVE THE SIO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS GRANTING THE SEVEN VARIANCES. >> Chair Downs: WELL-SAID. >> SECOND. >> Chair Downs: ALL RIGHT. SO, GREAT MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HORNE AT THIS TIME OF THE NIGHT, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY. PLEASE VOTE. THANK YOU, GUYS, FOR HANGING AROUND SO LATE. I'M SURE YOU WERE ENTERTAINED. OKAY. WHAT DO WE HAVE NEXT? >> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11, ITEMS FOR FUTURE AGENDAS. >> Chair Downs: BY THE WAY, THATARRIED 8-0. ANYTHING FOR A FUTURE AGENDA? OKAY. WE ARE ADJOURNED AT 10:27. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.