all right good afternoon and welcome to the February 28 2022 city of Mesa planning and zonings uh public hearing I'm Jeff Crockett and we'll begin with a roll call uh chair Crockett president vice chair Ayers here board member Alan here board member sarkissian here board member Peterson here board member pitcher here and board member Montez here okay we have a quorum so we'll go ahead and start with our agenda now typically there's a there's an introduction that plays here that kind of lays out the process that we had a little technical difficulty today so I'll go ahead and explain that we have a consent agenda and the items on the consent agenda are voted on in one block so if you so if you have an item you would like to speak on today we need to have you fill out a speaker's card now we have two speakers cards for agenda item 4A and item four F so those will come off of consent and they'll they'll be presentations on those two items by the staff and there will be an opportunity for public comment if there's another item that you're here for that you would like to speak we need you to quickly raise your hand and fill out one of these blue cards that you can get from Pamela up here so um I think we're I think we're okay so uh board member Allen has volunteered to read our consent agenda today so I'll go ahead and have her do that now thank you these are the items on the consent agenda for the Planning and Zoning meeting on for September 28 2022. item 2A tz22166 minutes from the September 14th 2022 study session and regular meeting item 3A p z o n 2200609 district one within the 2800 block of East McKellips Road and within the 1900 block of North Lindsay Road located south of McKellips Road and East of Lindsay Road site plan review this request will allow for the expansion of an existing car wash and the staff recommendation is approval with conditions the next item on the agenda consent agenda is 4B zon 2200263 District 2 within the 5600 to 5800 blocks of East Inverness Avenue and within the 5600 to 5800 blocks of South Sunnyview Sun View and East located east of Higley Road north of Baseline Road rezone for Planned employment park with a planned area development overlay and Council use permit to planned employment park with a planned area development overlay light industrial with a planned area development overlay lipad do I need what questions to clarification do I need to read the lipad no I got it and a site plan review this request allows for an industrial development and the staff recommendation is to continue to the October 12 2022 plan and Zoning meeting item 4C zon 22-00269 district 6 within the 10 600 and 11 000 blocks of East Williamsville Road and within the 6200 and 6300 blocks of South Signal Butte Road located south of Williamsville road on the north side's north side on both sides of Signal Butte Road rezone from agricultural light industrial and a planned area development overlay General commercial with a planned area development overlay and a council use permit and gen and general industrial to General commercial with a planned area development overlay and Council use permit and light industrial with a planned area development overlay and a council use permit this request will allow for the future development of an auto mall large commercial development and multi multiple residence development remember Alan can you read that case number into the record again this one yes yeah sure this one is zon 22. 00267 District Six within the ten thousand six hundred and the eleven thousand thank you good you're good we just need the staff recommendation oh sorry it was just we just needed a correction with the case number sorry okay got it uh approval with conditions item 4D zon 2200583 District 3 within the 700 block of West 8th Place located west of Country Club Drive and north of Rio Salado Parkway a site plan review this request will allow for the multiple residence development staff recommendation is approval with conditions item 4E excuse me zero z-o-n-00on22-00732 District Five within the 1400 block of South Chrisman Road located west of South Crispin Road on this on the and south of East Hampton Avenue site plan review and special use permit this request will allow for a car wash staff recommendations continue to the October 12 2022 plan and swimming meeting and last we have item 5A Baseline Baseline Logistics Park District 2 within the 5600 to 5800 blocks of East Inverness Avenue and within the 56 to 5800 blocks of South Sunview located east of Higley Road and North of Baseline Road a preliminary plant this is a companion case to zon 22-00263 associated with item 4B and the staff recommendation is to continue to the October 12 2022 Planning and Zoning meeting this concludes the items on the consent agenda thank you board member Allen do I have a motion to approve the consent agenda as read I make a motion to approve the consent agenda as read a second thank you board member Ayers we're ready to vote okay by your vote of seven eyes No No's you have passed the consent agenda today we'll now turn it over to our assistant director for uh staff presentations all right chair board members the first item we have off of consent is item for a which is zon21-01271 and Cassidy will be making this presentation thank you thank you good afternoon chair members of the board this is case number zon 21-01271 this is a request to reason a property from LC and RS6 to rm4 with a planned area development overlay and site plan review to allow for development of a multiple residence the site is located on the south side of West University Drive and west of Country Club Drive the general plan designation for the property is neighborhood the site is also located within the West Main Street area plan the zoning request before you today is a rezone to multiple residents four with a planned area development overlay and multiple residents is a permitted use in the RM zoning District here you can see an existing photo of the site there is currently one single residence building on the site with the remainder of the site as vacant so the site plan is for 28 multiple residence units varying from two stories to three stories with a centralized amenity as well as an amenity area located at the southeast area of the site and nine visitor parking spaces located on the southern border of the site the site will be exclusively accessed from University Drive with units facing both hossick and date as a part of the pad request there are certain deviations from development standards that are being proposed those include reductions to the minimum building and Landscape setbacks along date hasik as well as the rear Southern Property Line modifications to the building separation requirements open space setback of Cross Drive aisles and interior parking lot Landscaping and then finally modifications to the building entrance requirements the setback of attached garages and the maximum fence Heights along both Dayton Hasek streets um the applicant did attend a design review board work session on March 8th of this year the design review board expressed concerns with the proposed design and compatibility of the use and design with the surrounding development and recommended minor changes to be more consistent with the surrounding existing single resident subdivision the applicant did conduct conduct a citizen participation process which included letters to Property Owners within a thousand feet as well as HOAs and registered neighborhoods they held one virtual meeting in April of this year there were no attendees to that virtual meeting we did receive two attendees at the March design review board session in opposition of the case as well as one additional letter of opposition that was submitted for that design review board after the fact and then one letter in support of the proposed development in summary we find that the proposed development complies with the 2040 Mesa General plan as well as the criteria for a pad overlay and site plan review and staff is recommending approval with conditions thank you Cassidy are there questions on this item from the members of the board for staff not seeing any thank you we'll now hear from the applicant on this item and if you would please state your name and address for the record hi my name is Dave Zellner my address is 6368 South Foothills Drive Gold Canyon Arizona I work with Tim Boyle design and I think at this time since count uh staff has kind of recommended approval it may be just that we want to hear the comments and then kind of respond to those that'd be just great thank you we'll have you back up after we have a public comment so we'll open the hearing now for public comment and I've received two speakers slips on this from folks requesting to speak so we'll have them come up and then we do have some written comments that have been provided that we'll read here when we get done with our with our live speakers so let's first hear from Mike Wright and Mr Wright if you had come to the podium and state your name and address for the record and then you'll have three minutes to speak on this item thank you I don't think I'll take all three my name is Mike Wright I live at 629 West Caballero Circle and it's right behind the right house which is my business and property we are directly across the street from this project and we highly recommend it we're kind of excited frankly about the Improvement to the neighborhood that it would make um the current status of that property is a little bit sad it's half of it is in just open vacant property with weeds and dirt and so we look forward to having a project of this quality to see and for our customers to see as they come into the area so we do support it and hope that you'll approve it do you have any questions are there any questions thank you appreciate your comments thank you okay and next we have Stuart Quist Mr Quist hopefully I pronounce that right if you'd state your name for the record and provide your address and then you'll have three minutes also I hope to take uh uh if I had more time I would take more time but three I will try to do my name is Stuart Quist I live at 451 North Cherry Mesa in the thousand foot radius there uh I've had a mace address for 60 years I have lit been associated with this address where I currently live for 43 years uh the comments that I have submitted online are as is a brief summary of what I would like to say I am opposed to this project for many many reasons one of which I remember about 35 years ago in this very chamber the debate on what is now passy place where Mr Michael Wright now resides they wanted to put in three-story high density housing there and the developers made the claim that that they would never be able to sell they would never be able to make money if they were single family homes and here we are now blessed with some really good quality families there including Mr Michael Wright and now uh he is saying no we don't need that we can go with a high density housing now that he's got his well this neighborhood north and south of university is single family dwelling there are a few two and three and four apartment complexes on University but it would be much better for the community for the neighborhood to have single-family homes there uh good quality high fences at a long University if there's more reasons why I'm I'm opposed to it um the the drawings here that were shown are just a tiny bit deceptive yes the current property yeah it's in this dismay just like 35 years ago the property there where Mr Michael Wright lives now but what this these pictures don't show is the power lines on the south side of the University I'm pretty sure that they are the city of Mesa utility power lines high voltage probably 115 KV and I have recommended to the architect that we put in a bus pull out that would make it easier to to uh accept the the uh plan if there was a bus pull out so that when the traffic backs up on University eastbound morning and night the buses would have a place to pull out in the traffic would be able to flow flow better but those power lines if you could work with the city of Mesa utility company or whoever they belong to and have them go underground just in that section then you could do a nice bus pull out and it would be a lot more palatable palatable to accept the the whole project also I don't see in the plans here or it's not mentioned any plans for EV charging stations I would highly recommend that if it's going to be as advertised modern townhouses modern well let's get some EV charging stations one per parking space Mr Quist we're about out of time is there anything you'd like to say just in conclusion um the the comments that I have submitted online you have um uh we want to attract high quality families thank you appreciate that okay that's all the speakers cards I have on this one for people who wanted to speak I do have a letter of support here from DJ and Sarah Stapley which will be part of the record on this case and then I'll ask board member heirs to read in the written comments that we've received from from people who did not wish to speak but who wanted their comments read okay three total comments we'll start off with the first from Esther Vreeland at 536 West Third Place roughly 45 years ago Mr Bernard Davis another successfully petitioned the zoning board to change the zoning in the area to avoid having multi-level buildings this area consists of single level homes and single level small businesses so the current zonings LC and RS6 is very appropriate for the area Mr Boyle is trying to change the zoning to build what we didn't want all those years ago this is a suburb not a city we live here to get away from exactly what Mr Boyle proposes many homes in a small footprint are very profitable but it needs to be an appropriate area second comment from Delaney Cato at 660 West Second Place who is also in opposition the addition of the multi-family housing results in increased traffic and street parking and potentially decreased property values of current homes in creased traffic during the proposed development would cause backups on University and additional traffic negatively impacts the safety of kids walking to school parking is a concern as residents often use garages for storage and park on the street which negatively impacts existing neighborhood residents the limited parking will also Force visitors to park on the street this proposal is inconsistent with the existing sfr neighborhood last comment is from Damien Carpenter at 322 North hossick who is in support of the project we have a housing crisis here in Arizona 300 people are moving here daily and according to adoh we are 270 000 units housing units short to meet our housing demand this project will bring needed Workforce housing to Arizona teachers police officers and families I moved to the Canada neighborhood a little over five years ago this location for the proposed project has been an eyesore it currently has one single family home and is surrounded by adjacent unkept dirt Lots I like the modern design of these proposed units and the added Landscaping the units will bring to the neighborhood please pass games thank you so with that we'll we'll close our public comment portion of the proceeding and invite the applicant to come back up and respond to uh anything that you heard thank you chair members of the board Dave's owner um do want to kind of highlight that the proposal for this project is attached basically single family um and so it's not what you would typically talk about in multi-family words two bedrooms on top of three bedrooms on top of you know so um we think that you know these will be more stable tenants because they you know have garages and amenities that will keep them there and won't be kind of subject to the the short-term tendency that sometimes walk-ups have um I believe can we pull the zoning picture back up from the case [Music] the aerial okay so I think at this time this property the north probably two-thirds of it is actually zoned LC so it's not currently zoned for single family there are two single family lots so the um you know I guess the the belief that this would become single family I don't know that that would be supported you know within this area for a variety of reasons especially being on University um and so we think that this offers a the middle housing option in a form that is not as dense as it possibly could be and so we think that hopefully it will be supported for that um EV charging stations will probably come about at some point and you know that's something I think that the market should determine we do have a bus stop being put here and we are in compliance with the request that Transportation has made for this property so they did not ask us for a bus pull out they did ask for a bus stop covered area and we have provided that so I think um you know a lot of things historically happen and eventually things change so I know something might have happened 35 years ago I'm not sure the circumstances are exactly the same now in regards to the demand for housing the need for housing and those kind of things so we would just appreciate you supporting the development okay before you before you leave let me just find out are there any questions for the applicant on this boardroom picture just a quick question are these going to be for rent or are these going to be for purchase that's to be determined at this point so are they are they being metered separately I don't know that we've gotten that far in the design process for the construction permit so I think that's kind of also being worked out anything else for the applicant okay thank you thank you thank you well is there any is there any discussion on this item board member Allen um I'll go ahead we close the public hearing the Public Public hearing is closed um just to I guess my my thoughts on this are the way I'm I'm leaning I believe that this location because it faces University um it's more conducive to a multi-family than it is to a single family um so for that reason I would support this development thank you keyboard member Allen any other comments we don't have any other discussion or comments and I'll entertain a motion on this item I hope I could go ahead then I would make a motion that we approve z-o-n21-01271 District 4 within the 600 600 block of West University Drive within the 300 block of North hasig and within the 300 block of North date located west of Country Club on the south side of University rezone from limited commercial and single residence six to multiple residents four with the planned area development overlay and site plan review this request will allow for a multi multiple residence development and with staff recommendations approval with conditions thank you I have a motion is there a second a second thank you board member sarkissian let's go ahead and vote okay by your vote of seven eyes and No No's this item has passed thank you turn it back to staff all right so chair and board members the next item off the consent agenda is item 4f which is zon22-00942 and Josh will be making a presentation uh chairman uh I I need to recuse myself from this one my family is related to my wife's families related to the applicant thank you board member pitcher appreciate that all right great uh thank you this is for a zon 22-00942 uh this specifically is for a rezone and site plan review for a multiple residence community uh this is located specifically south of Southern Avenue East relatively east of Greenfield directly north of Hampton and the uh essentially the knuckle at Hampton and 48th and overall the general plan designation for this site is neighborhood the intent of the neighborhood district is to provide a clean safe and healthy area as well as a sense of place and to provide housing of multiple different types as part of that the requested rezone for this site is for uh multiple residents three with planned area development overlay um as part of that the one request as for the planned area development is for the height of the wall separating this and Signal resonance uses uh this is the existing site seen from 48th Street itself this is where the main entrance for the facility will be located and the only entrance accessible by the residents on site overall the site plan here provided to you does show the overall site plan for this site you'll see a secondary access going to Hampton Avenue this is specifically for emergency access only based off the initial Outreach that the applicant had gone through multiple citizens had came with concerns about the increased traffic flows on Hampton and 48th as part of that they worked with staff as well as the applicant to address that and to do fire access only as well they've reduced the overall density from what was originally proposed as well as the overall Heights for buildings 9 10 12 4 and 3 from a three-story height to two-story height to help feather or taper the overall height in that area as well as provide for some extended retention on the west side in order to create an additional buffer as well uh again just to reiterate the only pad modification for this site uh the zoning code has a requirement that in any residential Zone the max might be six foot the applicant is requesting eight based off of their Outreach and based off of the concerns the citizens specifically within the sunny neighbor uh Sunny Mesa neighborhood to the South and Southwest of this site had concerns due to the height of the structures overall here's the general landscape plan it's a little easier to see kind of the buffering provided on the west side of the site and overall again just to reiterate the south side of the site has no pedestrian access to Hampton Avenue and 48th it is emergency access for fire vehicles since that is a requirement for fire code due to the number of units on site uh this uh request was seen before the design review board on July 12th as part of that there's minor comments provided uh at this time those have been addressed and Will are reflected on the site plan and elevations as part of your packet uh overall here's the citizen participation uh area for notified uh within a thousand feet as part of their extensive citizen participation Outreach there's multiple uh neighborhood meetings I believe at least two possibly three and then a numerous one-on-ones between the applicant and the representatives as well as concerned citizens most of the comments were in general opposition to the use and then uh as if they were going to have to live with it on how to address that most uh correctly as part of that the reduced density and Heights for those adjacent structures were reduced as well as that access on Hampton resolved with emergency access as well as that increased buffering and that wall height on the western and southern Edge So based off of that and the general findings of Staff staff is recommending approval with conditions happy to answer any questions thanks Josh are there questions for staff on this item not seeing any thank you now I'd like to invite I had oh I'm sorry that you know what I'm I'm on the phone okay yeah we haven't quite yet got to the public comment portion so we'll get back to you in just a minute um let me invite you let me invite the applicant up now sorry technical there we go thank you Sean Lake 1744 South Val Vista here on behalf of the Killian family and LMC development for the proposal that's before you this evening we appreciate the opportunity to be here to talk about what's left I guess the last piece of the Killian Family Farm for those who have lived in Mesa quite a long time you can kind of remember the the Killian Farm was a substantial area in this area going north including uh Sunland village the Sunland village Towers going south there's a lot of land that has been developed going over to the Walgreens and and over to the a lot of development kind of in this mile area if you will that the Killians and other Farmers have have developed over the years but over the years it's kind of been whittled away and developed and developed and developed and developed and developed and developed and now we're down at the end of Max's life Mr Killian who is a was I've known for many many many years we're down to the last remaining parcel that is left with the Killian Ranch and that's what we're here to discuss the South half or generally South half of that property and what is being proposed proposed for that develop um as always staff has done an excellent job we've appreciated working with Josh and Rachel and and and the planning staff on this project and also extensive Outreach with the neighbors and working on the project shown on the screen is is the property that we're talking about generally bounded on the west by Sunny Mesa on the south by Hampton and a Fulton development and then on the east by the brim Hall Franklin brim Hall uh high school or Elementary School Franklin Brimhall schools there and then on the North obviously would be the north half of a proposal that you'll you'll see in the next month and then also an I believe the LDS church that has one off of 48th Street those are kind of the boundaries of what is around this site as Josh pointed out it is neighborhood which allows a variety of different uses for the general plan as so I won't spend a lot of time the existing zoning is both a combination of r43 for the ranch and r115 and we are proposing to take it to rm3 for the development of the proposed property now let's talk a little bit about the development plan and then we'll talk about some of the changes that have occurred the proposed project will be entirely accessed off of south of off of 48th Street so if you look on this plan kind of in the middle to the right top is 48th Street 48th Street is a collector that will access directly up to Southern Avenue so all of this property will come and go from 48th Street off of Southern there will be no access to the South no vehicular no pedestrian access to the South that was redesigned as a result of working with the neighbors so there will be this will be a gated community that will come and go off of 48th Street and and the only users that would use 48th Street are the LDS church a medical office building and then obviously the north development when that develops as well so there would be no access to the east to the west or to the South it will all go straight out to Southern which is a major arterial in the city of Mesa The Proposal is for a gated multi-family Community with buildings roughly one story two-story and three-story as you transition as a result of working with the neighbors the perimeter along the west and and South have one-story structures so those would be garages along those to to create that buffer after the landscape strip along that west and south side then you'll see kind of a we'll call them tan buildings and there's kind of a distinction tan and we'll call it white or beige the tan buildings along the west and along the South would be two-story structures and then as you transition into the site it would go up to three-story structures further in and closer to the school and closer to the church the density is around or it would be 248 units of about 17 units of the acre with about 12 buildings broken up and spread evenly throughout the site with open space significantly exceeding the standards or code of the city of Mesa as well as parking exceeding the the code the city's parking standard for this overall project the amenities for this project are extensive and spread throughout the community there's different locations it's not just one Central amenity in the center but there's a main amenity in the center but then there's also Parks spread throughout the project so that you don't have far to walk from your specific home to get to a recreational area to go walk your dog or to just go kick a ball or or lay out in the sun by the pool if you want so there's a lot of things that you can do there's a lot of amenities extensive amenities that were are listed here to really exemplify the high quality of this project this is not an average multi-family complex we think this is going to be a much higher rent area we think the rents will be demanded will be higher rents in here so the quality of this development will reflect that with the amenities and the buildings and the architecture we have gone to the design review board and they did like the elevations they thought they were very attractive and nice and and so we've made some changes in design to as a result of that drb meeting to to reflect the high quality the nice project that we're trying to build here in this area as I mentioned earlier there has been extensive Outreach with the community you've got multiple different groups and organizations and HOA on the on the west and the East and the North and the school and the church on the on the east side extensive Outreach you do have letters of support from several of those groups in your packet to the proposed project but let's kind of go over there were a lot of neighborhood meetings a lot of individual meetings there was we were hosted at a barbecue which was very nice by the community to the west to host a barbecue and invite us to come and present the project so in addition to what is required by the code I think the applicant LMC went above and beyond to try to work with the community and the neighbors to meet and listen and hear and make revisions to the plan as a direct result of those discussions some of the changes that were made as a result of those meetings with the neighbors obviously were a reduction of the density the transitioning of the one story to two-story to three story as you get internal to the site moving the buildings further away from the neighbors both on the east or on the west and the South sides creating large landscape areas and setbacks particularly on the the west side and then along the buffering along the South Side placement of trees in and around the project to address specific buffering areas as you go for this project that was looked at as well the parking ratio was substantially increased so that it did meet code and exceed code and so that that is also in there and again I mentioned enhancing the elevations towards the end there was also a discussion about the wall there is a wall along the west side and they did agree as part of this provided the neighbors agree to replace the existing wall along the west side with an eight-foot wall we will do that obviously you have to have the permission of that neighboring property owner to tear down the existing wall and replace it but if those neighbors do agree they have agreed and to go ahead and replace that existing wall with an eight-foot wall along that perimeter so um as far as as far as Hampton Road goes let's let's talk as a result of that you can see they they pushed and shifted some buildings around so there's some substantial setbacks here's some setbacks along the west side and you can see quite a big distance uh between 160 to 240 feet at different Vantage points and you can see the key up in the top right corner so there is a large setback particularly on the west side and and you can see on the bottom image how you transition or the middle image for you transition from uh the perimeter eight foot wall the landscape strip the single story The two-story the three story as you go further into the site along the South Side the same thing they pushed buildings around to have two-story buildings along that South Side after the landscape strip and there will be improvements done to Hampton Road which is there to kind of finish it off if those who have driven Hampton lately it's it's a road but on the North side it's kind of dirt and it's not really finished and then at the corner it's not really finished so they will make improvements and finish off Hampton Road as part of this development but will not access Hampton so they're going to improve it for others to drive on that public road on on Hampton so that will be completed as part of this project the last slide that I have in one of the neighbor in an earlier version of the project we did show access to Hampton on the south we thought that would be important to have you know having access to the north to Southern and to Hampton but that was a major issue for the for the community in talking with the neighbors to the South so that access point was removed and it will not access South to the Hampton now we do have a emergency access only for fire trucks to crash through a gate and get through there but that would only be emergency access nobody within this development will be able to take their car and drive through that area to get to South to Hampton all traffic in and out of this project will go North to 48th Street just directly to Southern so a lot of big changes that were done as a result of a lot of meetings and extensive Outreach with the community we think we've come up with a great plan that buffers and Transitions and and meets the needs and and working with the community we think this is going to be a high quality project that will fit in the community and will be beneficial to this area and we think will be a good asset to the Killian Legacy of farm that has developed for many many years as you've transitioned down so we think this is will be a good statement of kind of to put a stamp on that last little piece of property of the ranch or the the farm so with that we'd be happy to answer any questions but we would request your support on this project thank you thank you other questions for the applicant on this one uh yeah oh well hold on one sec we haven't got quite quiet on me yeah we're almost there who who is this on the phone all right we'll come back to that um before before we get back to staff or any other other questions for the applicant at this time okay thank you all right so was it Josh who who was on yeah Josh can you come back up and answer a question any chance I get to pick on Josh um is there any plan to signalize 48th and Southern yeah so I know I believe Ryan is here for the uh Transportation but at this time based off the comments provided to me at by Transportation there's no signalization planned at this time so we're not planning to signalize that I think that's one of the things I would be really interested in with the volume of traffic with these units coming off of that North Direction so coming up looks like yep chair board Ryan Hudson I'm with the city uh Mesa transportation department on the city traffic engineer and I can certainly speak to what we look at for when we look at warrants for signalizing an intersection so specifically for for that intersection we look to the minor Street what kind of trips would be anticipated for that South leg and how that interacts with the major arterial Street which is Southern in this case we we follow Federal standards for for what would warrant a traffic signal and that's based upon the anticipated number of trips coming out of the site and how that primarily the left turn onto Southern would interact and what kind of delay would be anticipated what kind of demand would be there the volumes looking at the numbers for what's anticipated here the chip generation coming out of the site it is not anticipated to meet those warrants so we are not recommending a traffic signal at this time at that intersection thank you any other questions okay well at this time let's go ahead and we'll take public comment open it up for public comment I have four uh four people here in the in the council chamber that have requested to speak and then I have someone on the phone so let's start with the person on the phone would you please state your name and address for the record and then you'll have three minutes to speak to this item yes my name is Cindy seams I live at 4743 East Harmony Circle in Sunny Mesa and I've got many many concerns over this development first of all it being three stories is way too tall for this area there is nothing in this area that is three stories having that many people in that small area and having only one access out of that area is going to be horrendous waiting in line especially with the other project that's going in and using that same exit on 48th Street up to Southern is going to be horrendous the other issue I have is with the parking in that area they said it's like 1.3 parking spaces per unit and you're going to have three bedroom units with kids coming in and and having three cars and then their friends come over and there's not enough parking I've seen this with many apartments that my son has been in and they end up parking in the neighborhoods around this is not designed to work in this area this needs to be single family homes it's going to put too much traffic coming in and out of that area and it's going to be too tall for this area it's just going to be an eyesore I know you guys think it looks pretty but it's not it's not appropriate for this area you've got a school and a church and now you're going to put apartments and and big buildings in there that are just we've already got eight apartment complexes around this area and I'm living in a custom home neighborhood this is just not acceptable it needs to be single family homes if you can't approve that and you go ahead and approve this apartment complex it needs to at least be no more than two stories okay thank you please don't approve this okay thank you uh their next speaker is Robert Johnson Mr Johnson if you'd come up and you've probably figured out by now that you need to state your name and address and that you have three minutes yeah the problem is I need a little bit more in three minutes but my name is Robert Johnson 4762 East Harmony Mesa Arizona um I've lived in the area for about 22 years I'm the HOA president and I've actually had the opportunity to work with all the other HOAs within the area so we made multiple changes they actually came out we probably had 10 meetings we had it directly with the developer he came right straight to us we sat down and talked I can't even tell you how many times he was out the house very good we're actually in favor which you usually don't hear because most people don't want Apartments but when we looked at the whole scenario it kind of fits within us the traffic out the back was absolutely a disaster you'd have to see the road and understand the traffic patterns and what we have to live with for the extra traffic coming out that was an absolutely a non-starter and we couldn't do it it wouldn't even work I could go over 100 things but they set it up that way so it's not it's out the front and we appreciate that they also did come up with a wall where Million Dollar Plus home homes way over a million dollars these days in that in the sunny Mesa area so security for us is a big thing being an HOA president I got to protect everybody we do have guarded gates for coming into the area so raising the wall to eight foot was absolutely a must with the high trees that they're going to put in with the drainage control we had to work with all that that all came into compliance with us we worked with the neighbors on the back that this directly affected with traffic and everything and it it just worked for us so we went ahead and went forth with that so we're going to go ahead and back that project with that we we like that there's extra space and and that they've worked that way and opened it up and there's that the problem that we do have is that we're doing an apartment complex on the back and they're looking to do an apartment complex on the front one of the main things that we don't want to do is that this has a impact on the front one we're going to directly oppose the front uh project for this deal we feel it is too dense we feel it is Too Tall The Sims she was just talking about the front project being the three-story they've actually made the back so it's tolerable like I said nobody really wants apartment complex but we we feel it's the easiest thing for the neighborhood and we understand there are more homes that are needed so we're going to go ahead and back them and stand by it and we're happy that they're they've worked with us in that in that degree but we do not approve the other project and do not want this one to reflect the approval of it on the other project okay thank you appreciate it I just wanted to remind the board that since the speaker did mention a different project that isn't on today's agenda to not speak on that thank you thank you this project still goes up to three stories though um okay so next up it I don't know the last name is Olson Ms Cole is it Colleen yes Colleen come up please and state your name and address for the record and then you'll have three minutes board members I will take an extra minute here that doesn't count as a ivib in Sunny Mesa and my backyard is going to be right next to this complex this apartment I did not know you had a letter from the HOA that most of us had approved this there has not been a vote on this I have not voted for this and I am against this and I spoke to two or three friends in the last few days when they heard I was speaking and they agreed with me and I don't but but beside the point okay I'm Colleen Olson and I live at 4659 East Glades Circle and our property is to the west of this complex and we are against going from a single residence to a multi-residence and the reasons are this is a very stable residential area to the south of homes we have Fulton Homes to the east of homes we have Hampton homes on the West End is Hunters land to the east is Killian farms and to the West is sunny Mesa and this feeds Mesa High brim Hall and other schools and as you look at the city of Mesa from Stapley clear to Power Road you will not find where they have put Apartments amid so many single homes as you go West on Greenfield you'll find the sunny or the summer Mesa subdivision the all red ranch homes The Dana homes and Bradley Estates they're all homes and you do not find this there are apartments on both Southern and Greenfield and Higley and Greenfield and if we have this this traffic would become horrendous I will not be able to pull out of Sunny Mesa I don't think and make a left-hand turn if this goes in the traffic will be that heavy and also it's just going to get worse we want to keep this as a great single family area and they spoke of the uh history thank you we have a history with the city of Mesa Sally's Fabrics you are keeping aside our sign from our 50 years of business in Mesa you're holding this sign and trying to find a place to put it I hope you do so we do have history with you also and like I said there are Apartments there are apartments on the north side of Baseline hundreds of apartments between greenfield and Higley we don't need more multiple multi-residential homes and we want to keep it this way and I thank you thank you for your comments okay David tantalian might have not got the last name right David I can handle no problem uh David santalian um my address is 4721 East Harmony Circle Mesa Arizona Sunny Mesa and I have maybe three points to make the first one is that uh we did enjoy working with the developer on this project uh a big issue that we had was when they came combined with uh two developments we were not going to accept that again two things you know so moving forward if that other development comes in front we're not going to accept that too much sensification exactly for the same reasons that you've been hearing all along and uh the key thing is that this developer has worked with us the front developer by the time they they add everything up is going to be a mess in that area you already have apartments in Southern and Greenfield you have apartments in Higley and Southern you have apartments in Hampton and and a Higley you know so I think your decification is very good for what you're trying to achieve within the city of Mesa I'm a registered professional engineering that is working in the city for 40 years and I want to make a couple points that I think I disagree with traffic control one is Southern goes from three lanes to two lanes right in that area there's no way you're going to be able to expand it to three lanes because of Sunny Mesa you're not going to take property away from the existing owners ah you have the school you have traffic aligning the school every morning and they're trying to get into the school which is going to be the exit point for this development so in my opinion you do need a light in there there's no question about that you know yes you're looking at that development alone because you don't need it if it's just that that's it but if you look at the whole compartment I'm sorry that's not going to work the second concern is the grading and drainage of the area this development is going to drain against Sunny Mesa it's going to end up in that new wall if it overflows it's going to be relaying on a 24 inch existing storm drain that was put over 30 years ago that's an asset if it belongs to the city we need a guarantee from you guys that that is going to be operating as designed by the gradient drainage plan you know the last thing we want is for our homes to get flooded because that 24 inch line is plugged from all the sediment from the farm over 30 years okay thank you thank you okay and the last speaker slip I have is uh Jesse pitcher who says she may want to speak I don't know if you've made up your mind yet but come on up and hey everybody Jesse pitcher 4660 East Garnet Circle and I just want to um I'm actually part of the Killian family so it is a little bit of sentimental for me but on this particular project I just don't appreciate the three story apartments there's not a single three-story building on this entire area um they have been great to work with they've added some nice buffering and whatnot I'm not sure the traffic department has been there during school time drop-offs and Pickups um I would highly recommend studying that just a little bit more other than that that's all I want to say tonight thanks okay thank you all right so that's all the that's all the speaker slips I have and uh so with that we'll close the public comment and invite the applicant to come back up and respond to uh some of the comments that you heard from the public sure did you happen to read in the comment from Sally Tackett on this I did not I'm sorry board member Ayers would you read that comment in got a minute there Sean to get your thoughts together all right so uh yes one comment from Sally Tackett uh 4645 East Gables Circle who is actually let's see in opposition sorry didn't have it on my chart we are strongly opposed to this development this proposal affects our property and privacy privacy directly we are already surrounded by eight apartment complexes totaling over 2100 units this would add an additional 500 units we are saturated by 55 plus in Sunland village we would like to see more single-family homeowners in our area owning their properties putting down roots and contributing to the community no Apartments nothing over two-story no more retirement housing multi-residents parking and traffic are already a problem say no to this multi-residence project thank you okay thank you board member air so now now we'll close the public comment there we go and hear from the applicant board member Sean Lake uh I appreciate the comments uh and it has been a pleasure working with the neighbors and we have appreciated working with them it's uh in a time where you work on a lot of different projects and neighbors aren't exactly nice the neighbors here are really nice they're very friendly so I I do compliment them on on uh working with with a developer on this project let me address some specific issues we're certainly willing to continue to work with the city's traffic engineer on a traffic signal at 48th Street we'll we'll continue to work on that we'll provide additional information right now the city is not recommending or it doesn't meet warrants but we'll we'll work with them on that the other issue that was brought up was not enough parking in the neighborhood now one of the particular concessions that was made when we closed off the vehicular access to the South the Hampton because the concern was that people would not Park in the community that they would go park in the neighborhoods to the South we not only closed off vehicular access but we also closed off pedestrian access so if somebody parked along Hampton on the south I think this fastest way would have to be to walk out I guess around through the school up and through the school back out to Southern and then back over West down to 48th and then back into the community that's a really long walk to get to you from your car to your apartment I don't see that happening and that was done intentionally so that people didn't and the parking was brought up to the to code to exceed the code requirements so we think parking should not be an issue for this project a three-story was was brought up is just too tall we think you have a lot of different size and diversity of development in this area I've been driving around this area for a long time but I just wanted to go out there this morning to look at the old Killian Ranch and what has developed by Max and different developers over the many years to see what has happened not only with the Killian Ranch but things around it and so if you if you kind of go up you know at a mile in each Direction and look to see what's happening you've got about 80 percent of that property within a mile radius that is single family residential homes but you also have the sunny mace or the Sunland village Towers those three four-story towers if you can think kind of a little North and a little west of this project you've got Stone Canyon which is two and three-story multi-family which is just over on Southern and Higley you've got multi-family over on Greenfield as well you go south of the freeway down by the the hospital again is multi-story and you have two and three-story multi-family there so to say that three stories really out of character in this area particularly on the Old Ranch you do have a combination of single story two-story three-story and even four-story development on that old property and I would I would say I would applaud Max for doing that and having the foresight to have that much diversity of Housing and commercial and residential and office and Banks and and retirement with Sunland village all in that kind of that ranch area and so we we do find a lot of different diversity and we think this fits and will will be a very good asset to this area so with that we would hope you'll support it and I'd be happy to answer any questions board members any questions I I did want to follow up on did you have something I guess it's a question I mean I can understand one of the comments um for you or if if you'll be handling it or the city will be handling it is um the comment about the drainage Channel thing being making sure it's cleared out before everything continues and it you know because it's probably full of sediment and making sure it's cleared out properly and dug through Dugout instead of put lasted or something chairman Crockett board member sarkisian absolutely that again was a foresight by uh Max in doing this he worked with the city of Mesa the retention Basin that you see on the north side of U.S 60 at Greenfield there wouldn't be a green field if it weren't for the foresight of of Max in working with the city of Mesa to not only establish an on off ramp at Greenfield but as part of that creating that retention Basin over there on the north side of the freeway at Greenfield Road but this ranch or the farm the Killian Farm drains into that pipe and then over into that retention Basin that's what it was set up with the ranch going away and Development coming in that pipe will be cleared out so that that there is free flow of water any other questions for the applicant all right thank you thank you for the traffic engineer yeah let's we have another I guess question on that traffic signal board member Peterson yeah Ryan well you just discussed the city process if so you already explained how it doesn't meet warrants currently and how that over time is evaluated so if there are some situations that come up out how the city addresses those sure board member Peterson chair um so we have a traffic studies traffic Engineering Group so we take traffic studies requests all throughout the city on a daily basis whether that be a request for a traffic signal or request for a left turn Arrow site visibility so on and so forth so that would that would fall within those confines of just a typical traffic study traffic study requests those are things that we we handle with our engineers and our team in-house and we would go out and collect data perform observations you know do a delay study to see if those warrants meet so it would be something that that we could react to If traffic conditions warrant that and and those are uh those are initiated both by by City staff or if there's citizens that have concerns about it then then that'll prompt a study for in the future for additional assessment of of the light at that point that would be correct yeah a lot of our traffic studies requests are prompted by citizens um that that is probably a good bulk of them but we certainly do watch over areas where there's a significant growth or a significant change we collect traffic volumes on an annual basis throughout the city to see how those are changing um you know we we keep an eye on the proactive side as well as the reactive side thank you and then just one more question your your assessment uh to this point uh just to confirm that that includes the the school traffic as well and and school traffic impacts on Southern Avenue board member Peterson chair um yes correct uh the existing traffic volumes on Southern Avenue that they're under 15 000 vehicles per per day and put that into perspective uh your typical five-lane I know that the cross section does change East to 48th Street to three lanes in the eastbound Direction and then it reduces to the west of 48th Street to a five Lane cross section in the planning capacity for a five-lane cross-section is upwards of thirty thousand vehicles per day so if you look at the arterial capacity um you know that's that's not an issue of introducing some new uh trips on Southern Avenue I think the real question becomes the capacity of the intersection at 48th Street now the existing School the sure it had probably has you know a pretty high peak 15 to 30 minute period you know in the morning and in the afternoon where we've got parents coming to and from the school a traffic signal would not serve those trips it would be um you know what was described as kind of backup from the school that would then extend across 48th Street that would affect the ability for a Northbound vehicle to come onto Southern you know that's that's how I see that that school traffic could potentially affect 48th Street but that traffic and that backup really comes back to the school and making sure that their circulation is working as best as it can be served so um hopefully that that describes and answers your question yeah I think so so Southern the the current capacity and over over time uh stabilized capacity is call it 50 of design capacity for the existing roadway I would say that's pretty accurate if you look around the city at another five Lane cross-sections that are similar to Southern Avenue you know you typically like Val Vista or other other cross sections we see you know 20 25 000 vehicles per day okay thank you appreciate it sure okay are there any other questions for staff or the applicant you're ready to discuss this a bit are there any comments or any discussion you'd like to have as a board on this item board member sarkissian sure I'll go um I I agree with the concern about the traffic and the 48th Street access um I mean we're all kind of thinking it's gonna like in the future it's gonna be something that'll have to be reevaluated um but at this time based on the traffic comments and everything like that and how do the diligence is done and regardless of um the school traffic I know I would love a you know a streetlight at all the school entrances it's just not something that warrants traffic um lights but I do feel that the property has done a lot to fit into the neighborhood removing that access off a Hampton and removing The Pedestrian access to remove that concern as well I have seen I mean not in various parts of the valley the um three and even four some even five stories it's awkward sometimes they get that high but next to the single family residential then they have had less separation I feel this site has done a great job with the step step ladder up to the higher three stories and I feel in multi-family three stories is pretty typical to get um to make an effective product and utilize a site the most I feel like they have the great landscape plan open space plan think they've done a lot of work here and I think I do think they'll have a great product so I am a fine with this product as it's being shown and I'm supportive of staff's recommendation thank you yeah if I could go I agree with with uh Jessica's position on this one I think I have never seen a developer go to these extremes to work with a neighborhood all my years of being in the development industry working for the city I've never seen a developer step up this much so I I appreciate what they're doing I I do um I I do feel for for you folks that have lived there a long time and it is going to be a little bit difficult I know you have the back entrance on and off of Hampton to get in and out of your subdivision maybe it's not as convenient but I do know there's a back access there um so I I feel the same way I feel like I support this uh development I think that Max I've I've known Max for a lot of years and he I live on part of the farm that was originally the farm not this development but um and it's a great location and I think strategically the way he mapped it out it makes sense just there's a little bit of everything in that area commercial multi-family single family Custom Homes there's a lot of different things so I I uh I support this project as well thank you board member Allen any other comments okay well I'll entertain a motion if someone would like to make a motion I'll go ahead board member Allen I'll go ahead and give it a try um I would recommend that we approve the zon 22-00942 District 2 within the 1200 to 1300 blocks of South 48th Street and within the 47 to 4 800 blocks of East Hampton Avenue located east of Greenfield Road and south of Southern Avenue rezone from single-family residence 43 and single residents 15 to multiple residents three with the planned area development overlay and a site plan review this request will allow for a multiple residence development with along with staff recommendation of approval with conditions okay I have a motion is there a second thank you board members so the motion has been made and the seconded let's go ahead and vote okay by your vote of six eyes No No's and uh board member pitcher recused you have passed this item thank you and thank you to the public for being here to express your your views on this so assistant director prelog do we have anything more today chair board members no no other announcements for today okay so with that is there a motion that we adjourn our board meeting it's so moved a second right would please vote all right you've passed the motion to adjourn thank you and we'll see you in a couple of weeks there you go