. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. WELCOME. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THIS SPECIAL MEETING OF BLOOMINGTON CITY COUNCIL ON MONDAY AUGUST 21ST, 2023. THANKS TO HERE IN THE CHAMBERS AND EVERYONE WATCHING ONLINE THIS IS A MEETING WHERE WE ARE GOING TO TALK ARE ONE ORGANIZATION OR BUSINESS ITEM AS ITEM 2.1 WE'RE GOING TO TALK 2024 PRELIMINARY TAX LEVY AND GENERAL FUND BUDGET. IT'S OUR FIRST OFFICIAL BUDGET DISCUSSION AS A COUNCIL FOR THE SEASON SO WE'RE GOING TO DO RIGHT INTO IT. 'VE GOT COREY CARLSON, OUR DEPUTY FINANCE OFFICER. THANK YOU TO THE BUDGET DIRECTOR BUDGET MANAGER NEWTON ENTITLED GOOD TO LEAD US THROUGH THIS AND COUNCIL WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH IT AND I HOPE YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK THROUGH THE PACKAGE GOOD INFORMATION AND GOOD STARTING POINT AND LOOKING FORWARD TO THE DISCUSSION AS WE GO ALONG. SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO KAREN. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. AND GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND GOOD EVENING COUNCIL THIS EVENING ON THE AGENDA I'M GOING TO GO OVER THE BUDGETARY APPROACH FOR 2024 TALK ABOUT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THAT DONE AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO AND TO TALK ABOUT SOME REVENUE ANALYSIS EXPENSE DRIVERS WE HAVE A WORKING TO SHARE WITH YOU FOR A PRELIMINARY TAX LEVY FOR 2024 AND THEN TALK ABOUT SOME DATES FOR THE BUDGET CALENDAR SO STARTING OFF WITH THE BUDGETARY APPROACH THERE IS DEFINITELY STILL A CONTUED FOCUS ON INVESTMENTS PUBLIC SAFETY WE WERE FOCUSING ON MAINTAINING SERVICES THAT RESIDENTS VALUE AND ALSO A FOCUS ON A STRATEGIC ALLOCATION OF RESOURCES. ALSO WE ARE WORKING ON ALIGNING THE BUDGET REQUESTS WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN BLOOMINGTON TOMORROW TOGETHER AND WE ALSO INCREASED PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THIS YEARND S AS I SAID IN OUR APPROACH THAT WE WERE MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE ALIGNING OUR BUDGET REQUESTS WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN. SO I HAVE JUST THE STRATEGIC PLAN HERE JUST TO REMIND US THAT IT'S THE MISSION STATEMENT IS OUR MISSION TO CULTIVATE AN ENDURING AND REMARKABLE COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO BE AND THE THREE PRIORITIES THAT ARE THERE IN COLOR ARE A CONNECTED WELCOMING COMMUNITY, A HEALTHY COMMUNITY AND A COMMUNITY WITH EQUITABLE ECONOMIC GROWTH AND THEN BELOW EACH ONE OF THOSE INTEED OUTCOMES. AND SO THOSE BULLET POINTS THAT ARE LISTED FOR WELCOMING BEAUTY PEOPLE CAN CONNECT WITH NEIGHBORS. THEY'RE WELCOMED IN THE CITY THAT RESIDENTS FEEL VALUED AND THEN IN A HEALTHY COMMUNITY IT'S ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AS PART OF THAT HUMAN HEALTH OF COURSE AND THEN ALSO SAFETY AND AND THEN WITH EQUITABLE ECONOMIC GROWTH AND ECONOMIC GROWTH IN BLOOMINGTON IS MORE EQUITABLY DISTRIBUTED THAT THERE'S EXPANDED DIVERSITY AND BUSINESS OWNERSHIP AND EQUITABLE JOB GROWTH FOR WORKERS. SO I WILL START OFF HERE TALKING PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. SO WE NEARLY DOUBLED THE AMOUNT OF EVENTS THAT WE WERE AT FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. SO WE WENT FROM 7 TO 13 THIS YEAR AND WE ALSO MADE SURE THOSE WERE IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AROUND THE CITY. THEY WERE IN DIFFERENT DAYS OF THE WEEK, DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE WEEK. WE ALSO HAD A LOT OF DEPARTMENT HEADS AND COUNCILMAN JOINING AT THOSE AT THOSE TABLES WHICH WAS WONDERFUL AND SOME OF THE DIFFERENT EVENTS THAT THOSE INCLUDED WERE OPEN LIKE THE PUBLIC WORKS OPEN HOURS POLICE OPEN HOURS CAN SHOWS, OUTDOOR CONCERTS AND FARMER'S MARKETS SO PLACES AROUND THE CITY WHERE THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE GATHERED SO TO DATE WE'VE DONE TEN OF THOSE EVENTS WE STARTED IN MAY AND WE HAVE HAD INTERACTIONS WITH OVER 600 SIDENTST THOSE BUDGET TABLES AT EVENTS AND THERE'S STILL THREE MORE TO GO. SO WE HAVE ONE COMING UP THIS WEEKEND ON AUGUST 26TH AT THE ON THE ONE MUSIC FESTIVAL WE'RE GOING TO BE AT ANOTHER MARKET WE'VE ALREADY DONE ONE WILL BE IN ANOTHER ONE IN SEPTEMBER AND THEN WILL BE AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OPEN HOUSE IN OCTOBER AND. THEN ALONG WITH THAT WE HAVE A VIRTUAL OPTION THAT WE ALSO ADVERTISED ONLINE AND WE'VE ALSO ADVERTISED THAT AT THE BUDGET TABLES FOR A LET'S TALK BLOOMINGTON PAGE AND TO DATE WE'VE HAD 266 SURVEY RESPONSES AND SO HERE IS SOME MORE PICTURES OF US AT DIFFERENT EVENTS WITH OUR BUDGET ACTIVITY AND YOU I'LL SAY THIS IS NOT A SCIENTIFIC SURVEY BUT IT'S DEFINITELY RELEVANT AND IT'S A WAY TO GET OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THE CITY IS SPENDING MONEY ON AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK AND JUST FIND OUT WHERE THEIR PRIORITIES ARE WITH CITY SPENDING. SO WHAT THE GAME IS JUST TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY THERE YOU CAN SEE IT AND WE'VE UPGRADED IT A LITTLE BIT IN HOW WE PRESENTED IT. SO IT'S A STRUCTURE THAT HAS SIX DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF SPENDING AND I'LL GET INTO IN A SECOND HERE AND THEN WE GIVE PEOPLE TEN CHIPS THAT REPRESENT PROPERTY TAXES OR MONEY AND WE LET THEM DECIDE WHERE THEY WOULD LIKE TO WHERE THEY THINK THE CITY SHOULD SPEND THAT MONEY AND SEE THAT THEY CAN PUT THEM ALL INTO ONE CATEGORY OR THEY CAN SPLIT THEM UP EVENLY JUST TO GIVE US KIND OF A VISUAL SENSE AND OF WHERE THEY THINK THE CITY SHOULD SPEND THE MONEY AND THEN L THEM KNOWHAT WRE THAT WITH CITY COUNCIL AND THEN ALONG WITH THAT WE'RE ALSO WE ALWAYS HAVE AN EASEL. WE HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR ON THE ONE SIDE BLOOMINGTON SITE WE'RE ASKING WHERE DO YOU THINK WHAT DO YOU WANT THE CITY COUNCIL TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR PRIORITIES CITY SERVICES AND SO WE'VE HAD A LOT OF FEEDBACK THIS AND SO TOO MUCH TO READ THROUGH IT ALL TONIGHT BUT I DID INCLUDE THAT IN THE PUBLIC AGENDA THAT'S BEEN PUBLISHED SO THAT YOU HAVE THAT AND PUBLIC HAS THAT AS WELL SO HERE ARE THE RESULTS TO DATE OF WHAT WE'VE RECEIVED BEING OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND YOU CAN SEE THESE SIX DIFFERENT CATEGORIES AND AS I SAID THE FEEDBACK GOES ALONG WITH THIS THAT WE'VE BEEN GATHERING JUST FREE FORM FEEDBACK AS PUBLISHED IN THE COUNCIL PACKET. SO THE THE ONE THAT HAS HAD THE MOST TIME SO FAR AND 25% IS THE CATEGORY OF PARTS PARKS ,RECREATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES. AND SO THEN IN THE LITTLE BULLET POINTS THERE WE LISTEN OUT PLAYGROUNDS TRAILS, RECREATION PROGRAMS, ARTS PROGRAMS AND ALSO PROTECTION NATURAL RESOURCES. SO SO FAR THAT HAS HAD THE MOST WHEN WE'RE GOING INTO THE COMMUNITY THAT'S SECOND ONE THEIR FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE SO THE ICE GARDEN FACILITY CENTER FOR THE ARTS FACILITY THE GOLF COURSE CLUBHOUSE AND DWYANE COMMUNITY HEALTH AND WELLNESS CENTER ROADS AND BRIDGES, SEWER AND WATER THAT HAS RECEIVED ABOUT 16% WHEN PEOPLE ARE DOING THIS BUDGET ACTIVITY AND THEN THE THIRD CATEGORY THEIR EQUITABLE ECONOMIC GROWTH WHICH INCLUDED THAT THE SUBLETS AFFORDABLE HOUSING ECONOMIC GROWTH THAT'S MORE EQUALLY DISTRIBUTED EXPANDED DIVERSITY AND BUSINESS OWNERSHIP AND EQUITABLE JOB GROWTH AND WORKERS AS I'M KIND OF READING THROUGH THESE THESE YOU CAN SEE THESE ARE ALIGNING WITH OUR STRATEGIC PLAN. WE HAVE BLOOMINGTON'S RUN TOGETHER AND THAT HAD 12% AND THEN FROM PUBLIC SAFETY INCREASED SAFETY AND SECURITY INCLUDINGOLICE FIRE DISPATCH AND LEGAL THAT IT'S HAD 23% AND SO THAT SO FAR THE SECOND ONE LIKE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THEIR TOTAL SHIPMENTS. DEPENDING ON THE DIFFERENT EVENTS OR ADD THOSE SEEM TO GO BACK AND FORTH A LITTLE BIT WITH WHEN THEY'RE HEALTHY COMMUNITY INCLUDES ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND HUMAN HEALTH AND THAT HAS ABOUT 14% AND THEN THE LAST ONE CONNECTED WELCOMING THAT IS ALSO ONE OF THE STRATEGIC PRIORITY MN CATORIES AND THAT PEOPLE CAN CONNECT WITH NEIGHBORS THEY'RE WELCOME IN THE CITY AND RESIDENTS ARE VALUED SO THAT ONE HAD ABOUT 10% SO THAT'S WHERE IT'S COME IN . IT'S NEAT. AND THEN IF WE GO TO THIS IS THE ONLINE SO AGAIN THERE IS I THINK 20 PAGES OF COMMENTS SO 173 WRITTEN RESPONSES AND THIS WAS A LITTLE DIFFERENT, A LITTLE LIMITED AND WHAT WE CAN DO WITH LET'S TALK BLOOMINGTON ON THE SURVEY SO WHAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS IS WHEN YOU'RE DOING IT IN PERSON YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO PUT ALL OF YOUR CHIPS IN ONE CATEGORY OR LEAVE ONE OUT COMPLETELY WHEN YOU'RE RANKING NEARLY SIX CATEGORIES AND YOU WOULD RANK ONE THROUGH SIX WITH ONE BEING YOUR HIGHEST, YOU HAVE TO RANK THEM ALL SO AND WE DID HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK ABOUT THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO NOT HAVE ONE AT ALL IN THERE BUT THEY DID SO TO COMPLETE THIS YOU HAD TO RANK THEM AND SO FOR THIS O IT IERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE SEEING WHEN WE'RE GOING OUT IN THE COMMUNITY BUT IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT SO THIS ONE PUBLIC SAFETY IS THE FIRST THE HIGHEST PRIORITY RANKED FOLLOWED BY PARKS, ARTS REPUTATION AND NATURAL RESOURCES AND OTHER ONES THERE ARE ACTUALLY FOLLOWING THE SAME WAY AS WHEN WE GO OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY AND THEN JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT AS WELL WE HEARD FROM THE COUNCIL THAT YOU ENJOYED OR THOUGHT THAT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO DO SOME VEO COMMUCATION TO GETUT INTOHE PUBLIC SO AS YOU KNOW WE THE CITY ASSESSOR IN BOULDER AND I DID A VIDEO BACK IN FEBRUARY TO GIVE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROPERTY TAX STATEMENTS AND THE VALUATION STATEMENTS THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO COME OUT IN MARCH AND THEN THE BLOOMINGTON, THE EAST OF THE BUZZ, THE WEEKLY. SO IN JUNE THEY FEATURED A STORY ABOUT THAT WE WOULD BE ON THE COMMUNITY AND ABOUT THE LET'S TALK BLOOMINGTON PAGE AND SO WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE COMMUNICATION OUT SO THAT RESIDENTS KNOW THAT THIS IS AVAILABLE AND THEN ALSO OF COURSE IN THE BRIEFING AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND NOW LET'S TALK A LITTLE JUST AS WE BREAK THINGS DOWN BY AGENDA ITEM CONCERNING QUESTIONS ON THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IN THE COMMENTS COUNCILMEMBER NELSON YEAH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST ONE QUICK COMMENT. I THINK THERE'S A REALLY GOOD INFORMATION. I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION AT THE PUBLIC WORKS EVENT ABOUT SORT OF HOW SCIENTIFIC THIS IS AND I JUST WANTE TO REITERATE THIS IS NOT A SCIENTIFIC SURVEY. THIS IS A CASUAL CONVERSATION . PEOPLE COME THERE. I THINK ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE RESIDENT RAISES THERE WAS PUTTING THINGS IN THINGS AND AND I TOLD VERY FLAT OUT WELL KIDS HAVE OPINIONS TOO AND THEIR MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THEY ALSO WERE THEY'RE GUIDED I BELIEVE BY THEIR GRANDPARENTS IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT THOSE THINGS WERE. BUT THESE ARE NOT IT'S NOT A SCIENTIFIC SURVEY OF HOW THEY RANK ON THIS IS INFORMAL BUT I THINK INFORMATIVE. I MEAN THE THE CONSISTENCY BETWEEN THE TWO DIFFERENT METHS OF GRABBING THIS INFORMATION I THINK DOES TELL A STORY THAT YOU KNOW PEOPLE REALLY VALUE THAT PUBLIC SAFETY. THEY VALUE THE PARKS AND THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THERE. SO I THINK THIS WILL COME UP LATER IN OUR CONVERSATIO OF WHERE WE'RE INVESTING THE MONEY. BUT THE BUT I GUESS THAT'S MY COMMENT AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD COMMENT. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON AND I THINK IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING WHILE THIS IS IS IN NO WAY A SCIENTIFIC OR STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT OR ACCURATE SURVEY WE DO THOSE AND WE D THEM A COUPLEF TIMES IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS WE HAVE OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS AND FRANKLY WE'RE SEEING KIND OF THE SAME RESULTS WITH OUR STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT AND REASONABLE AND OFFICIAL AND ROBUST SURVEYS THAT THEY KIND OF MATCH UP WITH. WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS AS WELL. BUT MORE THAN ANYTHING YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT THIS IS A CONVERSATION STARTER. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS OPINIONS TO TALK A LITTLE BIT, TO MEET WITH STAFF TO TO BASICALLY SHARE THEIR OPINION IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS. SO COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN BASICALLY ON THE SAME LINES AN ALL THIS I A NON SCIENTIFIC PIECE ONE COMMENT THAT STRUCK ME AS I WAS READING THROUGH THE ANONYMOUS RESPONSES WAS THAT THAT PEOPLE COULD FOCUS ON MULTIPLE TIMES IS THAT TRUE? IT COULD ONE PERSON GO ON HERE AND FILL OUT YOU KNOW, FILL OUT TEN TIMES I DON'T KNOW WHY OR ELSE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE WHEN YOUR LIFE IS GOING ON THE THOUGHT OF THESE THINGS BUT BUT IS THAT THAT A POSSIBILITY TO DO THAT YES MAYOR COUNCILMEMBERS CNCILMEER LOWMAN SO THE LET'S TALK BLOOMINGTON SURVEY WHEN IT WHEN LAST TIME BLOOMINGTON FIRST ROLLED OUT IT WAS VERY LOCKED AND YOU HAD TO HAVE A LOGIN USERNAME AND PASSWORD IN ORDER TO FILL OUT A SURVEY AND THAT COMMUNICATIONS OUTREACH ENGAGEMENT DIVISION REALIZED THAT WAS HINDERING A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM LOGGING ON AND IN FILLING OUT THE SURVEYS AND GETTING YOU KNOW FEEDBACK SO FOR SURVEY AND SOME OTHER SURVEYS THEY'VE DONE THEY TOOK THAT OFF SO IT IS ANONYMOUS AND I SOMEONEIDN'TANT TO GO ON THERE AND DO IT MULTIPLE TIMES THEY COULD HOPEFULLY PEOPLE AREN'T THAT SIGNIFICANTLY WORDS REALLY SKEWING THE DATA I GUESS ALSO THEY COULD DO THAT IF THEY'RE COMING TO OUR BUDGET TABLE EVENTS ALTHOUGH I'VE BEEN AT ALL OF THEM AND I DON'T REALLY RECOGNIZE THAT MANY REPEAT PEOPLE AND I USUALLY REMEMBER PEOPLE PRETTY WELL BUT BUT THAT YES THAT IS A POSSIBILITY THERE YOU YOU COULD THEORETICALLY DO IT MORE THAN ONCE THAT IN THAT SAME LIGHT THERE'S NO WAY TO ENSURE THAT THESE ARE BLOOMINGT RESINTS EITHER. RIGHT. I MEAN I CAN'T IMAGINE SOMEBODY WOULD, YOU KNOW, HAVE THAT MUCH OF A COMING IN AGAIN AND FILL THIS OUT OR OR SHOW UP TO A TABLE IN BLOOMINGTON TO TO FILL IT OUT. BUT JUST JUST SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AS WE AS WE LOOK AT THIS LOOK AT THIS INFORMATION AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, MARY, YOU SAID IT BEST THE SURVEYS WHILE REMARKABLY COME OUT PRETTY SIMILAR. WE DO THE SCIENTIFIC ONES. SO IT'S INTERESTING THAT YOU KNOW THAT THERE ISN'T THAT MUCH VARIATION BETWEEN THE THE THE DIFFERENT MEDIUMS TNK YOU THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER ANYTHING ELSE COUNCIL IF NOT WE'RE MOVING ON. WE'RE MOVING ON. OKAY , SO HERE'S A SLIDE WITH ONE OF THE A LARGE AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT COMES INTO THE GENERAL FUND SO PROPERTY TAXES IS THE LARGEST AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT COMES INTO THE GENERAL BUT OUR FAULT BY THAT IS LODGING TAX REVENUES AND AS YOU RECALL DUE TO THE PANDEMIC THAT PLUMMETED IN 2020. SO THIS IS JUST SHOWING WHAT HAPPENED WITH THOSE LODGING TAX REVENUES. SO IN 2019 IT WAS 8.7 MILLION IN 2020 I HAVE IT HIGHLIGHTED IN RED THERE IT WAS ONLY 2.8 MILLION AND THEN IT'S HAS STARTED TO COME BACK 21 CAME UP TO 5.1 22 IS AT 7.9 WHICH WAS HIGHER THAN WE HAD BUDGETED. WE A PROJECTINGOR IT TO BE 7.8 AT THE END OF THIS YEAR. I JUST HOW THINGS ARE LOOKING I THINK THAT PROBABLY WILL BE HIGHER THAN THAT BUT THAT IS WHAT WE'VE BUDGETED HAVE CONSISTENTLY FORECASTED RIGHT NOW SO ON THE TRENDS AND WHAT WE'R SEEING WE'RE COMFORTABLE THAT FOR THE 24 BUDGET THAT WE HAVE THAT FORECASTED AN 8.4 MILLION FOR THE LODGING TAX REVENUE AND THAT'S STILL NOT QUITE UP TO 2019 IT'S ABOUT 97% OF THAT SO IT'S LOOKING MUCH BETTER. AND THEN JUST WHAT I JUST WENT THROH HERE'S ANOTHER WAY OF LOOKING AT THAT MORE VISUALLY WITH THE GRAPH. SO I'LL JUST POI OUT THAT RED LINE WAS 2020 THAT THE GREEN 2019 AND THEN YELLOW IS 2023 TO DATE. SO YOU CAN SEE WE'RE TRACKING PRETTY WELL WITH 2019 FOR THE LODGING TAX REVENUES AND THEN THAT THIS WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SHARE AS WELL AND THIS THESE ARE JUST SOME RECENT MONTHS OF ANALYSIS THA WE REIVED THAT WE TT ASSESSING SHARED WITH US AND. SO WHAT THIS IS SHOWING IS BOTH AN AVERAGE DAILY RATE, A DOLLAR AMOUNT PER NIGHT AND THEN ALSO AN AVERAGE OCCUPANCY PERCENTAGE. AND SO ON THE LEFT THERE IS ME AND THEN THEY'RE SHOWING THAT AS A PERCENT WE KEEP KIND OF LOOKING BACK AT THAT PRE-PANDEMIC OF 2019 AND SO FOR ME IT WAS LOOKING REALLY GOOD AS FAR AS PERCENTAGE OF ROOMS OCCUPIED COMPARED TO 2019 AND THEN THE THE REVENUE PERCENTAGE THAT THE AVERAGE DAILY RATE IS LOOKING REALLY GOOD FOR ME. SO THAT WAS A GREAT MONTH AND THEN JUNE EVEN BETTER AND PART OF THAT IS THAT TAYLOR SWIFT CONCERT EFFECT IN JUNE BUT I JUST THOUGHT THAT JUST FUN TO SEE AND FUN TO SHARE THAT AND A LOT MORE POSITIVE WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT A FEW YEARS AGO AND THEN MISSION TAX REVENU ALSO AECENT AMOUNT REVENUE NOT AS LARGE AS THE LODGING TAX BUT ALSO IMPORTANT AND HAD GONE DOWN QUITE A BIT AS YOU CAN SEE IT WENT FROM 1.7 MILLION DOWN TO ABOUT 400,020 20. I THINK MOST OF THAT WAS BEFORE THINGS SHUT DOWN BUT THAT HAS ALSO COME BACK AND HAS GONE OVER WHERE WE WERE IN 2019. SO THAT'S A REALLY GREAT STORY AND 2022 IS ACTUALLY HIGHER THAN OUR BUDGET AND THEN WE'RE PROJECTING TO BE OUR BUDGET IS 1.7 MILLION FOR 23. THAT'S PROBAY ALSO GOI TO BE A BIT HIGHER AND THEN WE HAVE IT GOING TO 1.9 MILLION SO WE'RE ACTUALLY BUDGETING HIGHER FOR ADMISSION TAX REVENUES THAN WE WERE FOR 2019 AND THEN SO THAT WAS THE POSITIVE NEWS FOR FOR REVENUES AND IN THIS AREA IF IT'S NECESSARILY BAD BUT IT'S JUST AFFECTING OUR BUDGET IS THAT THE PERMANENT REVENUES ARE NOT AS HIGH AS WE'VE SEE O WE'RE NOT PROJECTING THEM TO AS HIGH OF THESE AS WE HAVE SEEN. AND YOU CAN SEE THERE THE ACTUAL NUMBERS AND 2019, 20, 21, 2022 WAS A RECORD YEAR FOR BUILDING INSPECTIONS IN PART IT WAS DUE TO INDUSTRY CHANGES FOR REMOTE WORKING TENANTS. REDUCING THEIR FOOTPRINT LED TO HIGHER AVERAGE COMMERCIAL PERMITS FROM TENANT REMODELS AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL AN ADDITION OF SEVERAL MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS INCLUDING THE SNOW MILL APARTMENTS SOLD RIGHT THERE AND THEN ALSO WITH HIGHER INTEREST RATES ON THE RESIDENTIAL HOMEOWNERS WERE ENCOURAGED TO DO KIND OF REMODEL HOMES AND PULL PERMITS FOR THAT AS OPPOSED TO MOVING. SO A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS IN PLAY THERE BUT FOR 2023 WE'RE ONLY PROJECTING 4.9 MILLION AND THEN EVEN LESS IN THE 2024 BUDGET. SO PRETTY MUCH THE INCREASES THAT WERE GOINGHAT WERE FORECASTING NEXT YEAR FOR THE LODGING TAX REVENUE AND THE ADMISSION TAX ARE KIND OF WIPED OUT BY THIS DECREASE SUMMER FORECAST THING FOR THE PERMIT REVENUES. MR. O'BRIEN THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CORY, ON THE 2023 WE DON'T HAVE THE BUDGETED FOR PERMIT REVENUES. WE'RE RIGHT AROUND WHAT WE EXPECT TO IN IN TERMS OF WHAT WE BUDGETED THIS YEAR. RIGHT. SO WE'RE NOT EXPECTING A SHORTFALL THIS YEAR. THE REDUCTION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS A LOOK FORWARD EXPECTATION, CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. WE THINK WE SHOULD MEET BUDGET THIS YEAR AND WE WERE FORECASTING OF THAT AMOUNT IN THE BUDGET. THANK YOU . COUNSEL ANYTHING ON REVENUES? COUNCILMEMBER CARTER. YEAH, THANK YOU. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LODGING TAX REVENUE SIDE? I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS THE ONE BEFORE THIS. YEAH. OKAY. SO YOUERE SAYING THAT IN 2023 WE PROJECTED 7.8 MILLION BUT WE'RE MORE LIKELY GOING TO BE ABOVE THAT. SO AND THEN 2024 WE'RE BUDGETING 8.4 MILLION. BUT I THOUGHT HAD SAID SOMETHING ABOUT PROJECTING LESS WHERE YOU JUST REFERRING TO 2023. I MAY HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD WHEN WERE TALKING MAYOR COUNCILMEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER CARTER I THINK I WAS I DON'T REMEMBER I SAID BUT I KNOW IN 2022 WE ARE PROJECTINGESS THAN WHAT WE RECEIVED SO THAT 7.9 MILLION WAS OVER BUDGET. OKAY. SO MAYBE THAT'S IF I DIDN'T SEE THAT THAT'S WHAT I WAS INTENDING. OKAY. THANK YOU. I MAY HAVE MISSED SOMETHING . ALL RIGHT. UNDER EXPENSES. OKAY . OKAY. SO FOUR EXPENSE DRIVERS IN THE BUDGET AS A LOCAL GOVERNMENT AGENCY, PUBLIC SERVANTS A LARGE PART OF OUR EXPENSES IS OUR PEOPLE. SO THE SALARIES AND BENEFITS FOR THE FULL TIME PART TIME TEMPORARIES STAFF. SO ONE OF THE OVERALL HIGH LEVEL DRIVERS IS SOME EXPECTED LABOR MARKET PRESSURE AND FORECASTING COMPETITIVE SALARIES AND BENEFITS THAT JUST NEEDED TO ATTRACT AND RETAIN SKILLED PERSONNEL FOR THE CITY. ALSO AS YOU'LL SEE, I'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL A CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO PUBLIC SAFETY AS WE ARE TRANSITIONING FROM A PAID ON CALL PART TIME FIRE FIGHTING DEPARTMENT TO A HYBRID OF BOTH PART TIME AND FULL TIME. AND THEN JUST INFLATION WE'RE SEEING ECONOMIC VOLATILITY AFFECTING COSTS OF MATERIALS AND SO JUST THOSE DRIVERS ARE DEFINITELY PUTTING PRESSURES ON INCREASING EXPENSES EXPENSES. SO AS I SAID, THIS IS A BUDGET STILL FOCUSED ON AN INVESTMENT IN OUR PUBLIC SAFETY. SO AS JUST A REFRESHER FROM LAST YEAR. SO IN 23 WE ADDED 21 NEW FULL TIME FIREFIGHTERS, 18 OF THOSE WERE ARE FUNDED FOR THREE YEARS FROM THE FOR GRANT THROUGH FEMA. THIS BUDGET REQUEST HAS ADDITIONAL SIX FULL TIME FIREFIGHTERS ON TOP OF THAT THEN FOR THE 23 BUDGET THAT INCLUDED FOUR NEW POLICE OFFICERS AND A NEW DISPATCH EMPLOYEE DISPATCH TRAIN COORDINATOR. AND THEN IN 24 BUDGET THAT ALSO INCLUDES ADDITIONAL DISPATCHER MR.. MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS . COREY, IF YOU JUST GO BACK TO THAT REAL QUICKLY, I JUST WANT TO REITERATE AGAIN THIS FROM OUR PAID ON CALL FIRE DEPARTMENT TO FULL TIME. IT'S ACTUALLY HYBD WH FULL TE AND PD ON CALL FIREFIGHTERS IS GOING TO TAKE US ABOUT A DECADE. SO THE INITIAL INVESTMENT LAST YEAR WITH THE 21 FIREFIGHTERS IS DEPENDENT ON ADDING ABOUT SIX NEW FIREFIGHTERS EACH YEAR FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS TO GET US TO THE LEVEL WHERE WE HAVE PARITY AMONG THE FULL TIME FIREFIGHTERS AND THE PAID ON CALL FIREFIGHTERS ACHIEVE OPTIMAL STAFFING. AND THAT'S A LONG TERM PLAN. AND I JUST WANT TO CONTINUE TO REITERATE THAT FOR ANY FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO ARE SEEING THIS AND WONDERING ABOUT THAT TRANSITION GOING TO TAKE US A WHILE TO GET THERE. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE FINANAL RESOURCES TO MAKE THAT SIGNIFICANT OF A TRANSITION IN ONLY A COUPLE OF YEARS. SO THIS IS A LONG TERM PLAN. THIS IS THE SECOND YEAR OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT PLAN AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE THESE INVESTMENTS SUBJECT TO COUNCIL APPROVAL FOR THAT FOR THE NEXT PROBABLY TEN YEARS. YOU SO THIS IS JUST EXPANDING A BIT MORE ON WHAT I JUST WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH 21 FIREFIGHTERS THE FOUR POLICE OFFICERS AND THE DISPATCH TRAINING QUALITY ASSURANCE COORDINATOR AND THE 23 BUDGET ALSO IN THE 2013 BUDGET. THREE OTHER POSITIONS WERE ADDED. THERE WAS A NATURAL RESOURCES PARK KEEPER, A SUSTAINABILITY SPECIALIST AND A HUMAN RESOURCES REPRESENTATIVE WITHIN. THIS IS THE GENERAL FUND AND IN THE 2024 BUDGET AS I SAID IN THE FUNDS SOME PROPOSED STAFFING CHANGES IS TO ADD ADDITIONAL FULL TIME FIREFIGHTERS ONE ADDITIONAL DISPATCHER AND THEN THREE. SO THESE WOULD NOT BE NEW POSITIONS BUT IT WOULD BE CHANGING FROM A PART TIME PARKS RECREATION POSITION TO FULL TIME. THERE'S OF THOSE POSITIONS IN THIS BUDGET REQUEST AND SO TWO OF THOSE PARKS AND RECREATION CLASSES ARE TO RECLASSIFY PART TIME TO FULL TIME OR COST NEUTRAL AND THIS BUDGET MEANING THEY DON'T HAVE AN ADDITIONAL IMPACT THAT BASED ON BEING BRINGING THESE UP TO THE FULL TIME THEY'RE ABLE TO COME UP WITH COST REDUCTIONS IN OTHER AREAS AND THEN THE THIRD ONE WOULD HAVE SOMEWHAT OF AN IMPACT AS SO THAT'S WHAT I HAVE FOR THE KIND OF THAT SECTION AND THEN I'M GOING TO GO INTO THE KIND OF WORKING MODEL FOR THE OVERALL TAX LEVY. DID YOU WANT TO TAKE A PAUSE THERE COUNCIL QUESTIONS? COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN THANK YOU MAYOR. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT DRIVER SLIDE, I THINK THERE WERE THREE DIFFERENT PIECES THERE AND I WANT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER FOR THIS. YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST A PRELIMINARY CONVERSATION ABOUT IT. I WAS WONDERING WHAT PERCENTAGE OF YOU KNOW, IF WE LOOK AT THESE DRIVERS WE'RE SEEING 100% OF THIS OF THE DRIVING CHANGE WOULD BE YOU KNOW, WOULD IT BE A 50% YOU KNOW, BY LABOR MARKET PRESSURES, YOU KNOW, WOULD THAT BE 20%? DO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF OF WHAT OF THESE THESE DRIVERS YOU HAVE UP HERE? I KNOW THERE MAY BE OTHER ONES ARE NOT LISTED HERE. I KNOW YOU PROBABLY JUST CAPTURED THE THE THREE TOP MAIN ONES BUT I JUST WANT TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING YOU KNOW AS I WELL AS WE LOOK AT THESE THINGS AND WE CONTRAST THAT THE MISON STATEMENT THAT WE KIND OF HAD EARLIER AND HOW THAT IS AN OBSTACLE TO TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH THOSE THOSE GOALS. YES. MAYOR COUNCILMEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN, THERE'S AN A FEW SLIDES I HAVE OF SOME WAYS STARTING TO LOOK AT THAT AND HOW THAT HOW YOU KIND OF BRING DOWN THE TAX LEVY INCREASE DEPARTMENT OR BY CATEGORY. BUT WE COULD DO SOME ADDITIONAL WORK ON TOP OF THAT TO GET YOU THE DETAIL YOU NEED TO BE GREAT. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK AT YOU KNOW, THESE THESE STAFFING CHANGES THAT WE HAVE HERE, YOU KNOW, OVER AND I JUST WANT TAKE IT OVERALL AND IF I'M LOOKING AT THE YOU KNOW KIND OF LIKE THE WAY THAT WE'VE LAID THIS OUT AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS IS WE YOU KNOW, OUR MISSION UP THERE AND WE'RE TRYING TO TIE THAT TO THIS YOU KNOW IS THE CITY MANAGER THIS IS PROBABLY MORE A QUESTION FOR YOU. YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT YOU KNOW WHAT OUR MISSION STATEMENT IS AROUND THAT CONNECTED WHAT CAN COMMUNITY HEALTH COMMUNITY AND EQUITABLE GROWTH AND LOOKING AT EACH ONE OF THESE POSITIONS AND THEN TYING THOSE TO THAT. AND THEN MY MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION I ARE WE THEN AT OTHER STAFFING POSITIONS THAT MAYBE DON'T NECESSARILY FIT WITH, YOU KNOW, THOSE THREE THINGS AND LOOKING TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO IN OVER TIME PHASE THOSE OUT BECAUSE THOSE ARE OLD COMMITMENTS THAT WE MADE IN THE PAST. MR. MARIN COUNCILMEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER WOMAN SO THE STAFF COMPLIMENT THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY I THINK IS BASED ON THE LEVEL OF SERVICES THAT RESIDENTS HAVE SAID THEY WANT AND EXPECT AND THINGS THAT WE ARE DOING THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH OUR STREGIC PN. IF IOOK AROUND THE OPERATIONS I THINK THE THE PLACES WHERE WE SEE STAFF ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE MIGHT CALL THE CORE SERVICES IN OUR CORE DEPARTMENTS ARE IN OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND DIVISION OR OFFICE OF RACIAL EQUITY AND INCLUSION AND BELONGING AND THOSE ARE DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO THE WORK THAT THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN DOING AS PART OF ITS STRATEGIC PLAN OVER THE LAST SIX YEARS OR SO. SO BEYOND THAT I THINK THAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS PROPOSAL IS CONTINUE THE LEVEL OF AT THEIR CURRENT LEVEL AND THAT'S OUR CURRENT STAFFING COMPLEMENT AND THEN CONTINUE TO MAKE THESE INVESTMENTS IN PUBLIC SAFETY. THESE COUPLE OTHER POSITIONS THAT WERE HIGHLIGHTED IN HERE, WHAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE WHEN WE GET INTO THE DEPARTMENT REVIEWS BUT THEY ARE ALSO TIED TO BOTH SERVICE LEVEL AND THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND WE'RE TO ENHANCE THE SERVICES THAT WE'RE PROVIDING THROUGH RECREATION ESPECIALLY IN VOLUNTEERISM IN THE COMMUNITY AND VOLUNTEERS. SO THAT'S THE THE PROPOSAL THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU. WHAT I WOULD SAY FROM A BIGGER PICTURE IN TERMS OF WHERE WE'RE AT ON STAFFING WE WENT THROUGH RIGOROUS PROCESS THREE YEARS AGO DURING THE PANDEMIC WITH OUR OUR BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT WENT THROUGH EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS AND LOOKED AT THE LEVEL OF SERVICES AND WE MADE DRAMATIC CHANGES IN 2020 GOING INTO 2021 BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS THE BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND WE DID SEE IN BOTH OUR OPERATING STAFF AND ALSO SOME OF THE SERVICES THAT WE PROVIDE. SO WE HAVE NOT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS JUST TRIED TO BRING THOSE PROGRAMS OR THOSE POSITIONS BACK. WHAT WE HAVE DONE WHEN STAFF IS LOOK AT WHAT ARE THE DEMANDS IN THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT IS THE COUNCIL'S THEY WANT TO ACCOMPLISH IN ADDING BASED ON THAT. SO THIS HASN'T BEEN A BRINGING BACK OF POSITIONS THAT WERE ELIMINATED THREE YEARS AGO. IT'SEEN SATEGIC IESTMENT IS WHAT' DRIVING THE COMPLEMENT. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. I KNOW EARLIER WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT DMV IX AND ALL OF THOSE ARE SOME FOLKS THAT ARE STILL OUT THERE ASKING ABOUT THAT. AND I THINK REALLY WHAT I THINK THE QUESTION IS THE FOLKS HAVE AND I THINK YOU'VE ANSWERED THIS IS YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT IN TIME WE WERE WE'RE CUTTING POSITIONS FOR KNOW FOR A REASON AND NOW YOU KNOW, WE'RE ADDING DIFFERENT POSITIONS AND SO YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, AS FOLKS ARE FACED WITH THE PRESSURES OF INFLATION AND WITH A SHRINKING FAMILY BUDGET, WE SAW INSE OF THE SURVEYS THERE, YOU KNOW, WHY CAN'T YOU KNOW, CITY CONTROL OUR OUR BUDGET IS THAT IS KIND OF THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW. AND SO I YOU KNOW, I HAVE ALSO SEEN ON MANY OCCASIONS THAT OTHER CITIES ARE ALSO DEALING WITH THE SAME PRESSURES AS WELL. AND I WONDER IF THE MANAGER WOULD WOULD TALK ABOUT THAT AT ALL. MR. MAYOR? COUNCILMEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. I THINK A GOOD AND SORT OF MORE IN THE WRAP UP PHASE WHEN WHEN COREY GETSHROUGH THE PRESENTATION BECAUSE I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO PUT OUR YOU KNOW, THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE ENVIRONMENT AROUND US TOO. AND SO I HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION RELATED TO THAT. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON YEAH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST A QUICK FACTUAL QUESTION HERE. THE PARK AND REC JOBS, DO WE ONLY REALIZE THE COST REDUCTION IF WE MOVE FROM PART TIME TO FULL TIME OR WOULD WE BE ABLE TO REALIZE THOSE COST REDUCTIONS WITHOUT MOVING PART TIME TO FULL TIMEOSITIONS MR.. . MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBER NELSON. THOSE ARE REALIZED MOVING TO THE FULL TIME POSITIONS. YES. SO WE WOULDN'T ACHIEVE THOSE IF WE KEPT A PART TIME. THANK YOU. WELL THAT'S, GREAT. OKAY. OKAY. SO IS A LOT OF INFORMATION ON TH SLIDE U'VE SN SOMETNG SIMILAR TO THIS BEFORE. SO I'M JUST GOING TO TALK YOU THROUGH ALL THE THE PARTS ON HERE. SO LIKE I SAID, THIS IS A WORKING MODEL FOR YOU TO CONSIDER AND IN THE VERY FIRST COLUMN IS THE 2023 TAX LEVY THAT WAS APPROVED. AND SO BIGGEST PORTION OF THE PRERTY TAX LEVY IS THE GENERAL FUND AND THAT WAS A JUST UNDER $64 MILLION. AND SO THE BIGGEST INCREASE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS ALSO IN THE GENERAL FUND TO INCREASE THAT TO 77.4 MILLION . AND THEN OTHER FUNDS RECEIVE PROPERTY TAX LEVY OTHER THAN GENERAL FUND ARE ALSO LISTED ON THIS THIS TABLE. AND SO THE COMMUNICATIONS DIVISION HAS A SPECIAL REVENUE FUND AND WE LOOKING AT KEEPING THAT FLAT AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT OF PROPERTY TAX LEVY SUBSIDY. WE ALSO HAVE AN AMOUNT THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR QUITE A WHILE THAT IS CURRENTLY IS GOING INTO THE SOLID WASTE FUND FOR FORESTRYR RELATED DISEASE TREE ROVAL. AND I'LL JUST SAY I'M SURE IF YOU LOOKED THROUGH THE COMMENTS THERE'S THERE'S DEFINITELY A CONCERN ABOUT DISEASE TREES IN BLOOMINGTON AND ALSO JUST FORESTRY IN GENERAL BUT THAT IS AN AMOUNT THAT WE'VE SETTING ASIDE FOR A WHILE KNOWING THAT THE EMERALD ASH BORER DISEASE WAS GOING TO BE SPIKING AND WERE DEFINITELY SPIKING NOW. THE FIRE PENSION FUND IS A SPECIAL REVENUE FUND. IT'S HAD SOMENDT HASOME GOOD INVESTMENT YEARS FOR A WHILE THERE WHERE WE NOT HAVE TO. AREN'T THE CITY'S OBLIGATIONS TO THAT FUND WAS NOT AS HIGH AS IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST. SO WE DID ACTUALLY BRING THAT DOWN LAST YEAR FROM 1 MILLION TO 50000 TO DOWN TO 1 MILLION. WE ARE THAT BACK UP AGAIN. LAST YEAR'S RESULTS ARE NOT AS FAVORABLY AS IT HAD IN THE PAST FOR THE FIRE PENSION WITH THEIR INVESTMENTS FOR THE AQUATICS FUND. BUT WE'RE BRINGING THAT UP AGAI SLIGHY AGAIN THAT WAS A REDUCTION OF THAT AMOUNT AND THE 23 TAX LEVY AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE'VE HAD SOME REALLY GREAT SUMMERS FOR POOLS. SO HOT DRY SUNNY SO THEY WERE HAVING SOME GOOD REVENUES BUT FAR AS BUDGETING YOU CAN'T ALWAYS. SOMETIMES WE HAD SOME REALLY WET SUMMERS HAVE BEEN REALLY BAD FOR THE POOL AS WELL SO WE KIND OF JUST TAKE A HISTORIC AVERAGE SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THAT COMING BACK UP. THERE IS $1,000,000 THAT IS SET ASIDE FOR THE CENTER FUND AND WE HAVE THAT THE SAME OUNT FOR THE GOLF FUND THAT WHEN WE STARTED HAVING A PROPERTY TAX SUBSIDY FOR GOLF IT WAS TO ADDRESS THE LOSSES THAT WE WERE SEEING FOR THE HIGHLAND GOLF COURSE. AND SO FOR A WHILE WE HAD THAT AMOUNT TO KIND OF HELP THE DEFICIT FOR FOR HIGHLAND. AND SO THAT AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE IN THE 2024 TAX LEVY AMOUNT WILL KIND OF WIPE OUT THE REST OF THE DEFICIT THA WE HAD FOR HIGHLAND. SO WE'RE BRINGING IT DOWN TO JUST THE AMOUNT THAT'S LEFT THERE FOR THE ICE GARDEN. WE ARE KEEPING THAT 125,000 FOR THE PROPERTY TAX LEVY FOR OPERATIONS HELP. AND THEN THE FINAL ONE IS IT'S A TAX ABATEMENT AMOUNT THAT'S PART OF THE PROPERTY TAX LEVY AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH KIND OF ROAD CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THAT NORM AND THEY ARE LAKE DISTRICT AREA. AND SO WE HAD BROUGHT THAT DOWN QUITE A BIT DURING THE PANDEMIC LOOKING FOR SOME BUDGET SAVINGS. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE SUPPORTED AND THE COUNCIL ALSO SUPPORTED. SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF TRYING KNOW WE'VE KEPT THAT THERE FOR A WHILE AND TRYING TO GET THAT BACK UP TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS FOR THE PROJECTS THAT TO HAPPEN IN THAT AREA. SO THAT'S WHAT CONSIDER THE GENERAL REVENUES AND THEN THE DEBT SERVICE AMOUNT. IT'S NOT A MAJOR INCREASE COMPARED TO SOME OTHER YEARS IF RECALL IN 23 WE HAD TWO YEARS OF BONDING. WE KNEW INTEREST RATES WERE RISING. SO THAT'S KIND OF HAVING A BIT OF AN EFFECT IN THAT IN WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW THAT WE NEED TO LEVY FOR. SO ALL OF THAT TOGETHER IS 9.49% INCREASE OVERALL. AND THEN HOW THAT IS REFLECTED FOR A MEDIAN VALUE IN BLOOMINGTON. SO THAT WOULD EQUATE TO INCREASING IT BY $6 AND $0.28 A MONTH SO THAT IT WOULD BE GOING FROM ABOUT $111 A MONTH TO $117.37 A MONTH. AND THAT IS A 5.65% INCREASE TO THE MEDIAN VALUE HOME. AND THE REASON THAT'S SO DIFFERENT AND JUST AND THAT'S WHAT'S SOMETIMES HARD TO CONVEY TO EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC THAT A LOT TIMES WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE OVERALL PROPERTY TAX LEVY CHANGE DOES NOTQUATEO WHAS HAPPENING FORHE MEDIAN VALUE HOME FOR EXAMPLE. SO WITH WITH HOW THE COMMERCIAL VALUES INCREASE IN COMPARISON TO THE RESIDENTIAL VALUES FOR THIS LATEST ASSESSMENT A FEW CALL WHEN WE WERE BACK HERE IN APRIL IN THE CITY ASSESSOR TIM BOLGER EXPLAINED THAT HAS A FAVORABLE EFFECT FOR THE MEDIAN VALUE HOME FOR 2020 FOR. SO THAT WAS A LOT THAT I JUST WENT THROUGH THAT ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING THAT YOU'D LIKE ME TO EXPAND ON? COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN THANK YOU MAYOR. AND TWO QUICK ONES FOR YOU AND APOLOGIZE I THI LES ELSEWHERE IN THE PRESENTATION WITH I KNOW WITH CONTINUING QUESTIONS AROUND REDUCTION IN FRANCHISE FEES SPORTING A LOT OF THAT WORK IS THAT IN THERE AS A PLACEHOLDER HELD FLAT AT 400 GRAND OR DO WE HAVE AN IDEA IF WE'RE GOING TO ADDITIONAL REVENUE REDUCTIONS COMING IN FROM FRANCHISE FEES ? YES, MR. MAYOR. COUNCILMAN COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN, WE HAVE A LONG TERM MODEL FOR, THE COMMUNICATIONS FUND AND WE WILL SHARE THAT IN MORE DETL WITH THE CITY COUNCIL LATER IN THE YEAR. BUT WE IN THAT LON TER MODEL WE ARE SEEING WE ARE FORECASTING THAT FRANCHISE FEES ARE NOT ARE KIND OF STAYING FLAT OR NOT INCREASING MUCH OR MAYBE EVEN REDUCING. AND SO WHE YOU'RE LOOKING THE LONG TERM MODEL THAT PROPERTY TAX INCREASE IS GROWING AND YOU KNOW SOME OF THE THE EXPENSES THAT ARE IN THERE WHEN WE STARTED HAVING PROPERTY TAX SUBSIDIZING THAT COMMUNICATIONS FUND ONE OF THE DRIVERS THERE WAS HAVING A MONTHLY BRIEFING NEWSLETTER AND THAT DID INCUR A LOT MORE EXPENSE BUT I KNOW WHEN I'M OUT IN THE COMMUNITY I'M PROBABLY PROBABLY A LOT OF YOU HEAR THIS TOO THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE TELL ME THAT THEY GET THE MOST INFORMATION FROM THE AND THEY REALLY ENJOY THAT. SO I THINK IT IS A GOOD WAY GET INFORMATION OUT TO THE COMMUNITY MORE ON A MONTHLY BASIS BUT WE'RE KIND OF KIND OF TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF REVENUES THAT ARE COMING INTO THE COMMUNICATIONS FUND. SO ONE IS THE FRANCHISE FEES AND THAT IS BASED ON THE COST TO THE CABLE SUBSCRIBERS AND THEIR RATES GO UP. IT DOES INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT'S COMING IN AND SO AND BUT AS PEOPLE IF THEY'RE YOU KNOW KIND OF CUTTING THE CORD AND NOT HAVING CABLE THEN THAT'S BRINGING IT DOWN AND THEN THERE'S A PEG FEE THAT'S PUBLIC EDUCATION GOVERNMENT FEE AND THAT'S A PER THAT'S A FLAT FEE PER SE PER USER. SO THAT ONE WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE ANY GROWTH IF IF CABLE COSTS GO UP. GOTCHA. I THINK IN MAYOR IF I MAY TAKE ONE MORE ON THERE BRIEFLY THIS MIGHT BE MORE FOR THE CITY MANAGER JUST TO REFRESH MY MEMORY, I KNOW IN PREVIOUS YEARS AND ESPECIALLY COMING OUT OF THE PANDEMIC WE HAD COMMITTED TO A TAX LEVY STABILIZATION FUND THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE KIND OF DOLING OUT OVER TIME TO BUY DOWN THESE INCREASES JUST WHERE THAT IS AT IF IF ANYWHERE AND WHAT THE TRAJECTORY MAY BE IF WE'VE GOT FUNDING FOR FUTURE YEARS. MR. MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER MARTIN. THE TAX LEVY STABILIZATION AMOUNT REMAINING CONSTANT AT $1.1 MILLION AND THAT'S A TRANSFER FROM OUR STRATEGIC PRIORITIES FUND INTO THE GENERAL FUND. WE HAD HOPED THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE ABLE TO SORT OF GRADUALLY EASE THAT DOWN. BUT GIVEN THE BUDGET PRESSURES THAT WE HAVE, WE'RE GOING TO RELY ON THE STRATEGIC PRIORITIES FUND FOR ANOTHER SEVERAL YEARS TO BE TO MANAGE THROUGH THAT. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, THANK YOU. A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS HERE. GOFF YOU INDICATED THAT THE TAX OR THAT THE TAX LEVY WAS FOR PAYING DOWN THE PREVIOUS DEBT FROM HIGHLAND AND AND MAYBE I DON'T NEED AN ANSWER TO THIS RIGHT NOW. I JUST HADN'T SEEN THAT IN THE BUDGET WHEN. I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE 2023 BUDGET BOOK. SO MAYBE UNDERSTAND UNDERSTANDING WHERE THAT SHOWS UP ON THAT ON THAT. THE BUDGET THAT'S IN OUR BUDGET BOOK SO MAYOR COUNCILMEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER NELSON SO IN THE GULF THAT WAS MPRISE OF BOTH DWA HIGHLAND AND SO WHEN WE IT'S JUST ONE FUND IT ONLY HAS ONE FUND BALANCE AND WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THE BUDGET IN THE LONG TERM MODEL WE WERE BREAKING OUT THE FUND BALANCE FOR GOLF BETWEEN HIGHLAND AND ONE AND ON A ON A LONG TERM MODEL. SO AND WE CAN SHARE THOSE WITH COUNCIL LIKE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. SO EVEN THOUGH THERE'S STILL IN THEN THAT IT DIDN'T GO ANYTHING OVERALL GOLF DID NOT GO NEGATIVE BUT DWAN WAS SORT OF CARRYING HIGHLAND SO WITH THE REVENUES OVER EXPENSES THAT THEY WERE MAKING. SO WE WERE FORECASTING THAT OUT AND WE WERE WE'VE BEEN TRACKING AND WITH THE PROPERTY TAX SUBSIDY THAT WE'RE BRINGING IN WE'VE BEEN USING THAT TO ADD BACK TO THE NEGATIVE BALANCE THAT WAS OFFSETTING DIANE'S MORE POSITIVE BALANCE AND THAT OF CASH. SOEAR THAT'S GETTING A BIT BETTER. AND NOW WE'RE NOT HAVING ANY ACTIVITY FOR HIGHLAND SO WE BECAUSE THREE RIVERS HAS BEEN RUNNING THAT SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY EXPENSES OR REVENUE AND WE'VE JUST BEEN USING THE TAX LEVY JUST TO KIND WIPE OUT THAT NEGATIVE BALANCE OF THE ONE. BUT THE REASON I ASK I MEAN WHEN I'M LOOKING AT IT WE HAVE SALARIES AND BENEFITS. WE HAVE MATIAL SUPPLIES AND RVICES, WE HAVE CAPITAL OUTLAYS. SO I JUST DON'T SEE IN THE EXPENSES IN THERE WHERE THAT MONEY IS GOING TO THAT WORKING . AND SO MAYBE THAT'S JUST SOMETHING I SPENT A LITTLE BIT OF TIME UNDERSTANDING THAT MR. RUBY MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS WE CAN WE CAN SHOW YOU THE LONG TERM MODEL THAT WE HAVE FOR THAT ENTERPRISE FUND AND THAT I THINK DOES A LITTLE BIT BETTER JOB OF OF SHOWING VISUALLY HOW THAT HAPPENS. SO THEN LET ME ASK THIS MORE DIRECTLY. ABSENT PAYING BACK LOSSES IS DWAN AT LEAST REVENUE NEUTRAL ? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN REGARDING THE ICE GARDEN THERE'S A $125,000 SUBSIDY BUT I BELIEVE WHEN I LOOKED IT AT LEAST FOR 2023 WE HAD ABOUT 189,000 FOR DEBT SERVICE. IS THE ICE GARDEN REVENUE NEUTRAL OUTSIDE OF CAPITAL NEEDS OPERATIONALLY IS IT REVENUE NEUTRAL T REVENUE POSITIVE? SO MR. MAYOR COUNCILMAN COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, THEY DO REQUIRE A THAT IS THAT TAX SUBSIDY OF 125,000 IS NEEDED FOR OPERATIONS AND THEN THE DEBT SERVICE AMOUNT FOR THE ICE GARDEN IS INCLUDED IN THAT BOTTOM LINE THERE. IT'S SEPARATED OUT. SO WHEN WE HAVE TO REPORT OUR PROPERTY TAX LEVY HAS IF IT'S PART IF IT'S PAYING BACK THAT IT HASO BE SARATED O IN THAT LINE SO THAT 189,000 IS WITHIN THAT LIKE 7.4 MILLION THERE AT THE ON THE TABLE WE'RE LOOKING AT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR HELPING ME UNDERSTAND THAT. AND THEN LAST QUARTER I HAD THE STRATEGIC PRIORITY AS WAS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY IN THE LEVY. ARE WE LEAVING FOR ADDITIONAL MONEY TO GO INTO STRATEGIC PRIORITIES? I UNDERSTAND THERE WERE RIOTS SOME DOWN FOR STABILIZATION BUT ARE WE ALSO ON THE FLIP SIDE? LEVENE MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER NELSON WE HAVEN THE PAST LEVIED FUNDS TO GO INTO STRATEGIC PRIORITIES. WE HAVE DONE THAT AROUND 300 TO $500000 PREVIOUSLY WE NOT RECOMMENDING THAT WE LEVY FOUR STRATEGIC PRIORITIES THIS YEAR AND THAT WAS IT. WE STARTED THIS PROCESS ASSUMING THERE WOULD BE A COMPONENT OF THE LEVY INTO THE STRATEGIC PRIORITIES FUND BUT BASED ON WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST REDUCTIONS THAT WE MADE. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT INFORMATION. AND ONE MORE QUICK QUESTION BEFORE WE MOVE ON NOW LOOKING AT THE ICE CARD AND THE $125,000. SO DEBT SERVICE ASIDE. AND IF IT SHOULD IF THE THE LOCAL SALES TAX SHOULD PASS AND THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE WILL, THE BE ENOUGH EFFICIENCY FOUND IN THE MORE EFFICIENT SYSTEMS THE EFFICIENT COOLING AND EVERYTHING THAT GOES ON TO REDUCE THAT 125,000 THAT IS NEEDED FOR OPERATIONAL COST. MR. MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS LET'S ASK THAT QUESTION AGAIN WHEN WE DO THE PARK AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT SPECIFIC DISCUSSION. I THINK WE'RE A LITTLE BIT EARLY KNOW HOW MUCH SAVINGS WE'RE GOING TO REALIZE IN AS A RESULT OF THE NEW MECHANICAL SYSTEMS AND LIKELY HAVING SOLAR ON THE BUILDING AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'LL MAKE TO BLOOMINGTON ICE GARDEN. I THINK IT'S SAFE TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO EXPERIENCE REDUCTIONS IN UTILITY COSTS AND, OPERATING COSTS BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT LEVEL THAT'S GOING TO BE WITH MORE EFFICIENT UIPMEN SO HOPEFLY WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER FEEL I DON'T KNOW IF WE'LL HAVE A COMPLETE ANSWER FOR YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER. AND ONE MORE AND LET'S MOVE ON. YEAH, THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO I KNOW THAT IN THE LAST BUDGETARY LEVY LAST YEAR WE RAN INTO AN ISSUE SOME OF THE HOMES THAT WERE UNDERNEATH THAT MEDIAN VALUE SAW SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE TO HOW MUCH THEY HAD TO PAY IN COMPARISON WITH THOSE THAT WERE OVER THAT MEDIAN. DO WE THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE THAT SAME EXPERIENCE THIS TIME AROUND OR IS IT NOW WE'VE GOTTEN TO A POINT WHERE THAT'S LEVELED OUT AND WE WON'T SEE THAT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COUNCILMEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN WE WOULD NEED TO GO BACK IN AND OUT SOME SPECIFIC TYPES OF PROPERTIES DIFFERENT IN DIFFERENT RANGES TO SEE. THE PROBLEM IS THAT WHEN WE WHEN WE DO THAT SORT OF LIKE HAND PICKING AT DIFFERENT LUE LELS IT'S IT'S HARD TO GET THE I DON'T KNOW THE PRECISION BUT THE THE BUDGET SORT OF THE BASIC THAT WE DO WITH THE MEDIAN VALUE HOME JUST BECAUSE EVERY PROPERTY HAS DIFFERENT VALUATION ADJUSTMENT AND A DIFFERENT VALUE. SO ABOVE AND BELOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AS DEMONSTRATIVE BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT AND SHOW YOU WHAT YOU KNOW. SO ONE OF THE HOUSES AND MAYBE THE LOWES QUARTILE AND MAYBE ONE OF THE UPPER QUARTILE WOULD BE LOOKING AT JUST BY PULLING AN EXAMPLE BUT THE I SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THOSE QUARTILES ARE MOVING DIFFERENTLY WITHIN THE SALES ASSESSMENT ADJUSTMENTS. THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL ASK OUR ASSESSOR IF HE'S SEEING A CERTAIN MARKET SEGMENT THAT'S MOVING DIFFERENTLY. I THINK INTUITIVELY WE KNOW IS THAT THE THE THE LESS EXPENSIVE HOMES IN THE COMMUNITY I THINK ARE INCREASING IN VALU PROBABLY A LITTLE FASTER THAN THE OTHER SEGMENTS JUST BECAUSE OF THE DEMAND FOR ENTRY LEVEL HOUSING . WE'VE HEARD INFORMATION BEFORE AND PRESENTATION FROM OUR HOUSING TEAM THAT YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FEWER THAN 100 HOMES I BELIEVE NOW THAT ARE LESS THAN $200,000 AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE THOSE PROBABLY PRETTY DISAPPEARING FROM THE MARKET PRETTY SOON JUST OF THOSE VALUATION INCREASES. SO WE'LL WORK WITH THE ASSESSING TEAM AND SEE WHAT KIND INFORMATION AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO THE SURVEY THAT WE LOOKED AT THAT IT'S KIND OF THA CAN B MISLEADG, IT NOT SCIENTIFIC AND THAT KIND OF THING. SO I THINKE WOULD BE CAREFUL AS WE COUCH THAT BUT I THINK THE THING I THINK THIS IS COUNCILMEMBER NELSON HE HAD BROUGHT THIS UP LAST TIME. LET'S LOOK. AND SO I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO SEE IF WE LOOK AT THOSE COMPARISONS FROM THE YEAR PREVIOUS TO THIS YEAR IF THERE'S A WAY TO LOOK AT THOSE SAME THE HOMES AT ALL AND TO SEE WHAT THOSE COMPARISONS WERE JUST FOR THE IMPACT JUST SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND I KNOW IT'S ONE OF OUR YOU KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT MISSION. WE TALKED ABOUT THE VERY BEGINNING, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF SO I'D BE INTERESTED IN CNCILMEMBER ONWARD SO HERE'S SOME OTHER WAYS TO BREAK DOWN THE MEDIAN VALUE HOME IMPACT SO A 9.49% INCREASE FOR THE PROPERTY TAX WOULD EQUATE TO A 5.65% INCREASE FOR THE MEDIAN VALUE HOME AND THEN ALSO FOR THE MEDIAN VALUE HOME THAT'S A DOLLAR 45 MORE PER WEEK $6.28 PER MONTH MORE OR A $75.34 PER YEAR. OKAY. SO HERE IS AN ATTEMPT HOPEFULLY THIS WILL KIND OF ANSWER COUNCILMEMBER LOEHMANN'S QUESTIONS A LITTLE BIT JUST DIFFERENT WAYS OF TAKING THAT TAX INCREASE. IT'S A LITTLE OVER OR IT'S OVER $7 MILLION. IT'S 9.49% MORE THAN THE PREVIOUS PROPERTY TAX LEVY FOR 2023. AND THIS IS TING AND SPLITTING IT OUT BY DEPARTMENTS AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE NOT IN THERE BECAUSE LIKE FINANCE LEGAL YOU KNOW, ADMIN ME MANAGER EACH ARE THOSE BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE SUPPORTING DEPARTMENTS ARE SUPPORTING ALL OF THIS PUBLIC DEPARTMENTS THAT YOU KNOW THOSE WOULD NOT EXIST IF IT WERE NOT FOR THESE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE SERVING COMMUNITY AND SO THOSE THOSE ARE KIND OF ALLOCATED ALL OF HERE BUT YOU'LL SEE SOME KIND OF DRAMATIC HAPPENING THAT I WANT TO EXPLAIN. I'LL START OFF AT THE TOP THE REASON THAT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SEEMS LIKE SUCH LARGE INCREASE FOR A TAX LEVY IS BECAUSE. SO TAXES ARE NOT THE ONLY TYPE OF REVENUE COME INTO THE GENERAL FUND. AS I SAID, THERE'S THE LODGING TAX AND YOU KNOW THERE'S GRANTS, THERE'S ADMISSION TAX AND THE PERMIT REVENUES AND THE PERMIT REVENUES AND WE'RE LOOKING AT A TAX LEVY IMPACT BY DEPARTMENT THOSE PERMANENT REVENUES PERMIT REVENUES ARE COMMUNITY DELOPME. SO SINCE THEY'RE REVENUES HAVE GONE DOWN SO MUCH LIKE, THE AMOUNT OF TAXES THAT THEY REQUIRE TO SUPPORT THE SERVICE HAS INCREASED. SO THAT MAKES SENSE. SO THAT'S WHY COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT LOOKS HAS PART OF THIS INCREASE IN TAX ON YOUTH IS BASICALLY BECAUSE ARE HERE SHOWN WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT IS THAT PERMIT REVENUE REDUCTION AND THEN PARKS AND RECREATION AND PUBLIC IT LOOKS LIKE PARKS AND RECREATION HAS THIS HUGE INCREASE IN WORKS IS GOING DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY AND THAT IS BECAUSE THE PARK MAINTENANCE DIVISION HAS MOVED THEY ACTUALLY MOVED THIS YEAR PHYSICALLY ARE HERE AS FAR AS HOW THEY'RE REPORTING IS IN PARKS AND RECREATION. SO PARK MAINTENANCE IS NOW PART OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMEN INSTE OF PUBLIC WORKS AND IN THE 2023 BUDGET IT WAS PART OF THE PUBLIC WORKS BUDGET. SO THAT'S A LITTLE OVER $7 MILLION. IT'S MAINLY PEOPLE THE PARK MAINTENANCE STAFF BOTH FULL TIME AND TEMPORARY AND EQUIPMENT. IT'S AND THAT THAT SHIFT IS WHAT'S MAKING THE PARK AND RECREATION JUMP SO BIG FOR PARKS RECREATION THEN WHY PUBLIC WORKS HAS SUCH A A SIGNIFICANT DECLINE BUT SO THAT'SHAT TSE ARE AND THE AND THEN WE'VE GOT POLICE AND FIRE AND SO THE YOU KNOW BETWEEN POLICE AND FIRE THAT'S 4.6% OF THAT 9.49% INCREASE THERE. SO THAT'S SPLIT OUT BY DEPARTMENT. OKAY. AND THEN ALSO JUST TRYING TO KIND OF TAKE THAT KNOWING THAT THERE'S REVENUES INVOLVED TOO. IT'S NOT JUST HAPPY TAX REVENUES BUT TAKING ALL THAT IN AND TRYING KIND OF BREAK THAT OUT BY HOW THAT BREAKS DOWN BYATEGORY. SO MOST OF IT IS SALARIES AND BENEFITS MOST OF IT IS AS PEOPLE AND THAT'S 5.3% THEN WE HAVE INTERNAL CHARGES SO YOU KNOW THE OTHER FUND BUDGET SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT LIKE FOR YOU KNOW THE FACILITIES IS A BIG ONE FACILITIES FUND IS AN INTERNAL SERVICE FUND THAT IS CHARGED HAS INTO THE GENERAL FUND AND FLEET AS WELL AS ANTI THE EMPLOYEE BENEFITS FUND THAT SHOWS UP THERE. AND THEN AS I SAID BEFORE THE MATERIAL SUPPLIES AND SERVICES WHAT WE'RE SEEING LOOKING AT INCREASES IN THERE AND THEN THE DEBT SERVICE THAT'S THIS THING THAT AS WE WERE LOOKING AT BEFORE SO WE HAVEN'T DONE A BREAKDOWN LIKE THIS BEFORE TO ANALYZE IT BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO SHOW YOU A DIFFERENT WAY OF SEEING HOW THAT PROPERTY TAX LEVY INCREASE BRINGS OUT. MR. BRUYERE THANK YOU MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. I JUST WANT TO REITERATE AGAIN ON ON THE SALARIES AND BENEFITS COSTS. THAT'S NOT SAYING THAT IT ACROSS THE BOARD EMPLOYEES ARE GETTING MORE THAN A 5% INCREA. SO WE HAVE AN AMOUNT THAT WE'RE WORKING TOWARD FOR NEGOTIATIONS AND 2020 FOR NO ONE TO SHARE WITH YOU PUBLICLY WHAT THOSE WHAT THAT AMOUNT IS BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF NEGOTIATIONS BUT DO HAVE THE COMPENSATION PLAN WHERE MANY OF OUR EMPLOYEES ARE STILL WITHIN THEIR SALARY RANGE. SO FOR OF OUR JOBS YOU KNOW THERE'S WHAT PEOPLE START OUT AND THERE'S A MAXIMUM THAT THEY CAN WORK TOWARD WITHIN THEIR THEIR PAY GRADE AND THEY MOVE THROUGH THAT RANGE SO THE YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCE HERE BETWEEN LIKE A NORMAL COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENTS IN A GIVEN YEAR ABOUT 3% THAT'S SORT OF JUST LIKE THE INFLATIONARY INCREASE EVERY YEAR THE ADDITIONAL AMOUNT THAT WE SEE IS THE COST FOR STEP IN WHAT WE CALL STEP MOVEMENTS WITHIN PAY RANGES. SO THERE'S A THERE'S A THERE'S AN ANNUAL ADJUSTMENT AND THEN THERE'S MOVEMENT JUST BASED ON EMPLOYEES THE EITHER THEIR THEIR TENURE OR THEIR PERFORMANCE BECAUSE WE HAVE BOTH STRUCTURED WITHIN THE PAY PLAN AND I WAS WONDERING ALSO LOOKING AT THAT NUMBER HOW MUCH OF THIS IS NEW FIREFIGHTER OR NEW POLICE OFFICER AND THEIR NEW POSITION COSTS AS WELL? CAN YOU BREAK DOWN IN THAT WAY JUST OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD ? MY RECOLLECTION, COREY, IS THAT THE NEW EMPLOYEE COST FOR A FIREFIGHTER IS ABOUT $125,000. IS THAT CORRECT? AND THAT'S SALARY AND BENEFIT A LITTLE HIGH. OKAY. SO WE HAVE WITH THE SIX NEW FIREFIGHTERS AND LIKE I SAID THE DISPATCHER SO THERE'S PROBABLY THREE QUARTERS OF $1,000,000 JUST IN THE SALARY THERE. THANK YOU. LOTS OF QUESTIONS ON THIS. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER. THANK YOU, MA'AM. SO IF YOU GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE GOING BACK TO THE CONVERSATION AROUND PARKS AND REC AND PUBLIC WORKS, I'M CURIOU BECAUSE IT'S NOT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A TOTALLY EQUAL TRANSITION. SO THERE'S ABOUT A 3% DIFFERENCE AND I'M WONDERING WHAT THAT ADDITIONAL 3% IS. SO WHAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC WORKS? THE PARK MAINTENANCE PIECE? SURE. SO MAYOR COUNCILMEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER CARTER SO DEFINITELY WITHIN THAT AS WELL I THINK POLICE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TYPICLY HAVE THE THEY HAVE THE LARGEST AMOUNT OF EMPLOYEES. SO A LOT THAT IS GOING TO BE SALARY AND BENEFIT INCREASES FOR THAT BOTH THERE FULL TIME PART TIME SEASONAL COSTS AND EQUIPMENT CHARGES AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF THE LIKE SALT AND SUPPLIES THAT THEY USE IN PUBLIC WORKS AND ALL THOSE COSTS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING UP THOSE INCREASES ARE WITHIN THERE. AY. THANK YOU. YES, THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER SMITH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO AS I'M LOOKING AT THESE THESE LEVY PIECES HERE ACTUALLY IF WE JUST GO TO THE NEXT WHERE WE'RE OUT THERE SO I'M LOOKING AT THIS HERE AND SO I A LOT OF FIRE STATIONS I KNOW AT ONE POINT WHILE WE HAD ALL THOSE CAPITAL EXPENSES THAT WE HAD IN ALL LAYOUT WE HAD A BIG, BIG CHART. I HAVE IT SOMEWHERE I WANT THAT WOULDN'T BE HERE RIGHT THAT'D BE OR THAT'D BE I WOULD THAT BE IN THE DEBT SERVICE OR WERE THAT OR WOULD THAT BE. YEAH COME ON IT MIGHT SOMEDAY BUT IT'S DOWN THE LINE HERE. MR. MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS. LOWMAN WHERE WE WILL SEE THE INCREASES FOR FUTURE FIRE STATIONS WILL BE IN FUTURE YEARS THAT SERVICE NEEDED THE PROPERTY TAX LEVY. IT WOULD BE THAT DEBT SERVICE CATEGORY. OKAY SO THAT WILL THAT CATEGORY WILL INCREASE AND THEN I ALSO THINK I HEARD THE CITY MANAGER ALSO SAY THAT YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE ALSO INCREASING SALARIES AND DEALING WITH WITH FIRE A POLICE ARE GERALLYUBLIC SERVICE TEN YEARS FROM NOW, YOU KNOW SO THAT WILL ALSO PLAY OUT PORTION OF WHAT IT WILL INCREASE IN HERE. YEAH. MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER AGAIN IF THE COUNCIL STICKS TO THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE LAID OUT FOR THE TRANSITION OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THERE WILL BE SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN PUBLIC SAFETY ESPECIALLY AS A PERCENGE OF THE OVERALL BUDGET OVER THE NEXT DECADE. I THINK I'M GOING TO WAIT FOR MY OTHER QUESTION LATER ON. IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE SALARIES AND BENEFITS BECAUSE I THINK I THINK FOLKS LOOK AT THAT NUMBER AND SAY IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR WHICH I KNOW WE'RE NOT THE PRIVATE AT ALL THAT NO MEANS AT ALL THAT THAT THAT WOULDN'T BE THAT HIGH AND IT'S NOT I KNOW IT'S NOT THE FIVE 5.3% BUT THAT'S YOU KNOW THAT THAT GROWTH RATE WOULD BE A BIT HIGH TO SEE THAT. SO SO I WOULD LIKE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS OUR ANSWER TO THAT AND I HAVE AN ANSWER BUT IF THERE IS A BETTER ANSR I'D LIKE TO HEAR SO BUT NOT NECESSARILY RIGHT NOW COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. NOT AS A COUNTERPOINT PER SE TO THE COMMENT THAT COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN MADE. BUT DANA, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT FROM MY COMPANY SAYS THAT MOST FOLKS ARE WELL MOST FOLKS FOLKS IN INDUSTRIES ANYWAY ARE BUDGETING ABOUT A 4.1% INCREASE IN SALARY FOR 2023. SO IT'S NOT AS FAR OFF AS WE THINK. THANKS . OKAY. SO THE LAST THING I HAVE HERE IS JUST I'VE SHARED THIS WITH YOU BEFORE BUT JUST BRINGING THIS BUDGET CALENDAR FORWARD AND WE'RE HAVE WORKED OUR WAY A LITTLE WAY THROUGH IT FROM THE LAST TIME I SHARED IT BACK IN APRIL. SO WE'VE HAD THE KICKOFF WE HAVE HAD YOU KNOW, THE LOCKOUT OF THE DEPARTMENTS ENTERING THEIR REQUESTS AND REVIEWING EVERYTHING WE'VE HAD THE I MEAN ALL THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE HAD MEETINGS WITH THE CIT MANAGER AND HEREE A TALKING ABOUT THE PRELIMINARY TAX LEVY WITH OUR SPECIAL MEETING SO 18TH WILL BE WHEN THE PRELIMINARY TAX LEVY BE SET BY THE COUNCIL AND THEN OCTOBER WILL BE HAVING SOME DISCUSSIONS AND PRESENTATIONS FROM THE FOR UTILITY FUNDS FOR YOU AND THEN ALSO SIMILAR TO LAST YEAR SOME MORE IN-DEPTH PRESENTATIONS FROM THE DEPARTMENTS. WHAT I'VE DONE TONIGHT HAS BEEN VERY HIGH LEVEL AND THAT WILL GO INTO INTO DEPTH ESPECIALLY LIKE IN FIRE AND POLICE AND PARKS AND RECREATION AND PUBLIC WORKS. AND THEN IS WHEN THE 2024 UTILITY RATE PUBLIC HEARING IS WILL BE SCHEDULED. WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER MEETING VERY SIMILAR TO THIS AND ON NOVEMBER 20TH I'M GETTING READY HAVE THE COUNCIL HONE IN ON THE FINAL TAX LEVY AND BUDGET AND THEN THE TRUTH IN TAXATION PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE 2024 TAX LEVY IS SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 4TH AND THEN ALL ALONG THERE WE HAVE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AT THE BOTTOM AND. I THINK THAT'S MY LAST LINE. YES. AND NOW WE GET TO START DISCUSSION. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING AND THAT'S IT'S FINE TO DO IT ALONG THE WAY. COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I HAD A QUICK QUESTION ON THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE ON THE ON THE ENGAGEMENT STUFF. OBVIOUSLY POST TONIGHT THERE WILL BE A POINT OF VIEW IN THE PUBLIC SPHERE WHAT ARE YOU DOING DIFFERENTLY IN YOUR OUTREACH OVER THE COURSE THE THESE YOU KNOW THESE SEPTEMBER OCTOBER TIMEFRAMES THAT YEAR AT ARE MORE PNED IN ON HEY HERE'S WHAT WE PROPOSE WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT. ARE WE ON THE RIGHT TRACK? YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING? IS THERE AN TO GO FROM KIND OF A GENERIC YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT DO YOU CARE ABOUT RIGHT TO SAY LIKE WE HEARD YOU WE'VE ACCORDINGLY NOW WHAT DO YOU THINK IF IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT I THINK THAT MIGHT BE REALLY GOOD IDEA JUST TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE ARE ASKING THEM TO REACT TO WHAT WE NOW HAVE PUT OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC SPACE. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU'RE PREPARED FOR THAT ORAVE ANY THOUGHTS THAT. THANKS, MR. MAYOR. COUNCILMEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER D'ALESSANDRO OH, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. I HAD NOT PLANNED ON CHANGING WHAT WE HAD FOR THE BUDGET TABLES BUT WE COULD EASILY MAKE A HAND OUT JUST TALKING ABOUT WHERE WE ARE PROPOSING IT RIGHT AND THAT MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE IS AWARE THAT THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET WILL BE SET ON SEPTEMBER 18TH. SO WE COULD PUT TOGETHER EASILY EVEN IN TIME FOR THE SATURDAY FOR OUR NEXT EVENT. AH I IF IF I'M IF IT SENSE WHAT I'M ASKING ABOUT IT IT JUST I WOULD LIKE AND IF WE COULD PIN IT YOU KNOW COME A LITTLE BIT CLOSER IN RIGHT ON OUR PINNING DOWN LIKE OKAY HERE'S WHAT WE'RE THINKING WHAT DO YOU THINK AND GIVE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REACT TO THAT AND ALSO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT RIGHT THAT WE MAY NOT GET FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS BUT YOU KNOW, WE DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THE EXPERT OPINION, YOU KNOW, WHEREAS YOU AND THE FOLKS AT MANDY'S HAVE A MUCH BETTER POINT OF VIEW ON THAT. THANKS. THANKS. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER, I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION SO LAST YEAR WHEN WE WERE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT SIDEWALK SNOW PLOWS AND I NOTICED THAT THAT HAS NOT BEEN A PART OF THE CONVERSATION THIS YEAR AS OF NOW AND I THINK WE ALL REMEMBER THAT THAT WAS A FREQUENT ISSUE WE HEARD ABOUT THIS LAST WINTER AND I KNOW PART OF IT IS JUST THAT THE SNOW MELTS AND IT TURNS TO WATER AND THEN IT FREEZES AND IT TURNS TO ICE. EVEN IF WE HAD THE SNOW PLOWS I DON'T KNOW HOW HELPFUL THOSE WOULD BE BUT I'M CURIOUS IN THE CURRENT PROPOSA, THE PRELIMINARY OR THE PRELIMINARY LEVY, ARE THE SIDEWALK SNOW PLOWS NOW? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IS STAFF WORKING ON SOME KIND OF MAYBE SOLUTION INNOVATIVE SOLUTION AROUND THIS ISSUE THAT MAY HAVE COSTS ASSOCIATED OR ARE WE JUST KIND OF AT A TIPPING POINT? I KNOW IT'S IT FEELS LIKE IT'S ALMOST AN IMPOSSIBLE SITUATION BECAUSE OF IT. BUT I THINK THE HONEST ANSWER TO THAT IS THAT THE BUDGET SUBMITTED IS EXACTLY THE SAME SERVICES THAT WE WERE PROVIDING LAST YEAR LAST. SO NO CHANGE TO THE WAY WE'RE DOING THAT WORK. OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER NELSON. THANK YOU MAYOR JUST A FEW QUESTIONS. A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WE WE HIRED SOMEONE TO DO GRANTS AND SORT OF THE EXPECTATION WAS TH AT SE POINT THEY WOULD START TO BRING IN ADDITIONAL GRANT REVENUE IT POSSIBLE TO GET INFORMATION ABOUT IF WE'RE GETTING AN ADDITIONAL REVENUE THROUGH THAT POSITION HOW MUCH IS THERE MORE THAT WE CAN DO IN THAT AREA? MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER NELSON YEAH, WE HAVE HAD THIS DISCUSSION THE STAFF LEVEL AS WE ARE LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES OUTSIDE FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES. JANET IS A GRANT PERSON AND SHE HAS BEEN I WOULD SAY ALMOST ELUSIVE FOCUSED THE FIRST YEAR YEAR AND A HALF ON OUR GRANT ON THE REGULATORY AND REPORTING ASPECT OF MANAGING OUR GRANTS. SO WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THAT POINT YET WHERE SHE'S ACTIVELY WORKING TO GO OUT THERE AND SECURE OR APPLY FOR GRANTS WORKING WITH DEPARTMENTS TO DO THAT. THAT'S IT'S ON OUR WORK PLAN. WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR IT JUST YET AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND I THINK FROM OUR PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS THE THE BIG BURDEN WAS THE FEDERAL GRANTS OBVIOUSLY THAT WERE EXTRAORDINARILY LARGE DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT HAD A LOT OF BURDEN IN TERMS OF COMPLIANCE. SO I'M HOPE MY HOPE IS AS THAT UNWINDS I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WE WON'T BE GETTING THAT MONEY BUT THAT THAT WILL FREE UP SOME TIME TO GO AFTER SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY OUT THERE. SO I APPRECIATE YOU'RE WORKING ON THAT COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DROPPING DOWN TO REVENUES I MEAN SOME 3.9 MILLION. AT WHAT POINT DO WE LOOK AT EXPENS IF WE'RE GOING TO BE 33% BELOW WHERE WE WERE PREVIOUSLY IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS AND PERMITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? OBVIOUSLY IF WE DON'T HAVE THE PERMIT REVENUE THAT PROBABLY MEANS WE DON'T HAVE THE PROJECTS. THAT PROBABLY MEANS THERE JUST ISN'T QUITE THE WORKLOAD THERE . AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT GOING FORWARD OR IS THIS JUST A TEMPORARY BLIP? THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MBERS. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON. THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION AND. I THINK THE THING THAT SOMETIMES FOLKS DON'T UNDERSTAND WHEN THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT THESE PERMIT REVENUES IS THAT OUR REVENUES THE FEES ARE BASED ON VALUATION. OKAY. AND SO WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING IS THAT A LOT OF THE LARGE HIGH VALUE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO SLOW DOWN NOT NECESSARILY EXPECTING THAT SMALLER PROJECTS ARE NECESSARILY GOING TO SLOW DOWN. SO THE NUMBER OF PERMITS MAY NOT FLUCTUATE THAT MUCH. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE FROM 2021 TO 202 OUR RESIDENTIAL REMODEL PERMITS DID DECLINE BY 30 BUT THE REVENUE WENT UP BY ABOUT 500,000 JUST BECAUSE THERE WERE PEOPLE WERE DOING LARGER HOME EXPANSIONS COMMERCIAL. HOWEVER, WE ONLY DID 61 MORE PERMITS FROM ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT BUT. IT WAS 122 $122 MILLION DIFFERENCE. SO THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS ISN'T PROBABLY GOING TO CHANGE SO SIGNIFICANTLY THAT WILL BE DOING A SUBSTANTIAL FEWER NUMBER OF INSPECTIONS. IT'S THE VALUATION WHICH IS DRIVING THE FEE THAT'S RECEIVED APPRECIATE THAT IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE PLAN PERMITS ON VALUATION DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE BUT NOTED. SO BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT STATE LAW AND WE'RE COMPLYING WITH STATE LAW SO IT'S A TALLY DIFFERENT SUBJECT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST AND IS IT OKAY IF I SHIFT JUST QUICKLY INTO DISCUSSION? YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY AND WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT THIS FROM PEOPLE. WE SHOULD HEAR ABOUT THIS FROM PEOPLE BECAUSE I'M HEARING ABOUT IT FOR MYSELF FROM MY WIFE, FROM MY FRIENDS. YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT THIS IS NOT A NOTHING BUDGET IN TERMS OF THE INCREASE AND WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO TO MANAGE THAT. I KNOW THAT AS A GROUP BUTNE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT I HEAR FROM PEOPLE IS OKAY IF OUR PRIORITY IS OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND IT ABSOLUTELY TO BE THAT HYBRID MODEL, I THINK CHIEF STEELE HAS MADE THE CASE FOR IT WE'VE COMMITTED TO IT. WE KNOW THAT IT'S A DECADE LONG PROCESS SO GOING TO ADD SIX FIREFIGHTERS FOR MULTIPLE YEARS WE'RE GOING TO KEEP HAVING THESE THINGS. WE HAVE OUR DEBT SERVICE. WE HAVE A PARK MASTER PLAN. WE HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO CONTINUE. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT HALF A PERCENT TO 1% INCREASE EVERY YEAR IN THE LEVY JUST FOR THE DEBT SERVICE. WE'RE GOING TOAVE THE THINGS CONTINUE TO COME FORWARD. AT WHAT POINT AND IN WHAT WAY DO WE LOOK AT? ARE THERE JUST THINGS AREN'T AS HIGH A PRIORITY AND HOW DO WE THOSE DECISIONS HOW DO WE TAKE THOSE OUT OF BUDGET? EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. I GET IT I GET TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE SERVICE LEVEL AND THE SERVICES AS WE HAVE PROVIDED THEM IN THE PAST BUT YOU KNOW IN ONE YEAR OKAY MAYBE IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE IT IN THIS ONE YEAR BUT WHEN I'M WORKING OUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR THE NEXT DECADE THAT'S A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION IN MY MIND AND HOW DO WE MANAGE THAT FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND FOR OUR BUSINESS? I MEAN WE YOU KW AND I APPRECIATE THAT WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE ACTUAL IMPACT IS GOING TO BE ON RESIDENTS AND LET'S BE HONEST IT'S LESS THAN THE 9% BECAUSE OTHER VALUATIONS ARE GOING UP FASTER. THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE IN FIVE YEARS PROBABLY IT GOES BACK AND FORTH AND. YOU KNOW, WE WE DID A 2.75% LEVY INCREASE A FEW YEARS AGO AND PEOPLE'S TAXES WENT UP A LOT MORE THAN THAT BECAUSE COMMERCIAL VALUES DROPPED BECAUSE WE YOU KNOW, BUNCH OF BUSINESSES WERE SHUT DOWN FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. YOU KNOW, AND LET'S BE MINDFUL OF OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY. I MEAN THEY THEY PAY THESE THINGS AND THEY PAY SIGNIFICANTLY AND THAT THAT'S NOT NOTHING. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE FIND AREAS WE CAN CUT BACK WHERE WE'RE MAYBE WE DON'T TO DO IT OR MAYBE IT ISN'T AS HIGH A PRIORITY AND WHAT IS OUR PROCESS DOING THAT ESPECIAL LIKE AGAIN IF THIS WAS A ONE TIME BUDGET BUT IT'S NOT AND WE KNOW IT'S NOT AND WE'VE WE'VE I THINK DONE IT I MEAN STAFF'S DONE A GREAT JOB OF PREPPING THE COMMUNITY FOR THE FACT THAT WE'RE WE'RE CONVERTING FROM A PAID ON CALL TO A HYBRID WITH STAFFING MODEL AND OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THAT'S GOING TO COST MONEY . WE WERE OUT THERE VERY CLEARLY ABOUT THE PARKS MASTER PLAN AND YOU KNOW WHAT? WE COULD JUST REDO TENNIS COURTS AND HOCKEY RINKS AS THEY WERE BEFORE AND THAT WOULD COST US A LOT LESS MONEY THAN ADDING BIKE SKILLS AND DOG PARKS AND SPLASH PADS AND COMMUNITY GATHERING PLACES. THERE'S A COST ALL THESE THINGS AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE INVESTING OUR HIGHEST PRIORITIES AND WE'RE REALISTICALLY LOOKING AT THINGS THAT WE COULD CUT BACK ON. SO THAT'S MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER AND I AGREE WITH YOU AND IT GOES BACK TO OUR ONGOING NOW 12 YEAR CONVERSATION THAT I ALWAYS LIKE TO ABOUT THE STOP DOING LIST AND WE HAVE MANAGED A COUPLE OF OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH THE PAST COUPLE YEARS THE CLOSING OF THE DMV TRANSFERRING THE THE OPERATION OF HIGHLAND THREE RIVERS PARK DISTRICT AND THERE MUST BE A COUPLE OF OTHERS THAT WE COULD THINK OF . BUT THE POINT BEING EVEN THOSE WERE DIFFICULT DECISIONS AND FRANKLY ARE STILL CONTROVERSIAL IN A FEW WAYS TO A LOT OF FOLKS AND SO IT IS IT'S A DIFFICULT CONVERSATION. I AGREE WITH YOU COMPLETELY TO LOOK AT THE OPERATION AS A WHOLE AND SAY WE SHOULD STOP OR WE ALSO HAVE THE CONVERSATION AND HAVE HAD IN THE PAST IS A LEVEL SERVICE NECESSARY MAYBE B-MINUS LEVEL SERVICES IS APPROPRIATE OR ACCEPTABLE IN SOME CASES AND I THINK WE'VE GOT TO HAVE THAT WE WILL OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT DECADE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. I THINK AT SOME POINT BECAUSE YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT THIS ISN'T A ONE YEAR CONVERSATION. THIS IS A DECADE LONG CONVERSATION. BUT IT'S ALWAYS A DIFFICULT CONVERSATION. THE THE THE THE STOP DOING THIS CONVERSATION IS NEVER EASY AND THAT'S WHY IT HAS NOT PROGRESSED FAR VERY FAR INHIS ORGANIZION OR FRANKLY IN MOST ORGANIZATIONS IN A LOT OF THE PUBLIC OR PRIVATE SECTOR OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS. TOM BUT I AGREE THAT IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN SOME WAY SHAPE OR FORM. COUNCILMEMBER THANK YOU. MAYOR I WAS ON THE BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND LEADING UP TO THIS I'VE BEEN HAVING FLASHBACK DREAMS BECAUSE IT WASN'T EASY. I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE MOST CHALLENGING THINGS I'VE EVER DONE IN MY LIFE. IT WAS DURING A PANDEMIC. WE HAD TO UNDERSTAND WHAT RESIDENTSRULY NEED OUT OF BASIC LEVEL. WE WEREN'T TRYING TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND AND DO A LEVEL SERVICES FOR ANYTHING DURING THAT TIME AND AS I'VE COME ON TO COUNCIL AND STARTED UNDERSTANDING HOW WE FUNCTION, A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW ARE THINGS THAT ARE DECADES IN THE WORKING HAVING A FULL TIME FIRE DEPARTMENT THAT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE 20 YEARS AGO, 30 YEARS AGO AND SO ONE OF THE THE COMMENTS THAT ONE OF OUR OTHEROMMISSION MEMBERSAID IS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN PUT, YOU KNOW, THINGS OFF LIKE ROADS FOR A LONG TIME AND THAT'LL KEEP TAXES LOW. BUT EVENTUALLY THE PIPE IS GOING TO COME AND SAY HEY WHERE'S MY DO AND WE HAPPENED TO BE STUCK RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF IT. THIS IS A COMMUNITY OVER 90,000 PEOPLE NOW WITH SERVICES ARE ESSENTIAL AND ARE NEEDED WITH OUR POLICE, OUR FIRE PARKS AND RECREATION THAT HAVEN'T BEEN INVESTED IN FOR DECADES AND WE'RE STUCK WITH THE BILL BECAUSE IT HAS COME DUE AND RESIDENTS ARE ASKING THEY PRIORITIZE AND SHOWED US DIRECTLY WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO TH AND THEY'RE TELLING US EXACTLY THE LEVEL THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AND THEY'RE NOT LOOKING FOR SEA LEVEL. THEY'RE NOT LOOKING F THIRD STRING BENCH RUNNERS. THEY'RE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR US TO STEP UP AND BE THE CITY OF CHOICE WHERE THEY WANT TO BE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE BECOME ACCUSTOMED TO. AND SO IS THE CHALLENGE HOW DO WE SUPPORT THE INVESTMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED THAT ARE LONG OVERDUE WITHOUT OVERBURDENING ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEW FAMILIES COMING IN THE LAST TWO YEARS I'VE MORE FAMILIES THAT MOVED INTO MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAN EVER BEFORE AND SO THOSE FAMILIES ARE LOOKING FOR REASONS T STAY HERE AND IF WE DON'T GIVE THEM REASONS TO STAY HERE, THEY'RE GOING TO LEAVE. IF WE GIVE THEM REASONS TO KEEP LEAVING TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, THEY'RE JUST GOING TO DECIDE TO STAY SOMEWHERE ELSE . AND SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE CHALLENGES IT'S GOING TO BRING. BUT I'M ALSO VERY CONSCIOUS OF THE POCKETBOOKS OF OUR TAXPAYERS BECAUSE I CAN'T LEAVE WITHOUT SPENDING AT LEAST $250 AND MY KIDS AREN'T EVEN TEENAGERS YET. AND SO I UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES THAT ARE COMING THE THE FUTURE HERE AND LOOKING FORWARD TOT. BU I THINK WE NEED TO FIND A GOOD WAY TO BALANCE THE NEEDS WITHOUT SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTING OUR RESIDENTS. COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR AND YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILMEMBER I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT I FIND ALWAYS FASCINATING WHEN I'M LOOKING AT BUDGET IS THAT YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO 75% OF THE BUDGET IS IS IN THE CATEGORIES WE ABSOLUTELY EXPECT IT TO BE EVERY TIME WE HAVE POLICE, FIRE, PUBLIC WORKS AND OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS IT KIND OF LIKE NO MATTER HOW I SLICE IT I CAN'T GET PAST THE FACT THAT OVER 75% OF THIS BUDGET IS JUST DOING THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE TELL US ALL THE TIME WE NEED TO DO WHETHER THAT'S MAKE SURE THE WATER IS GOOD AND THE SNOW IS AND THE POLICEMEN HAVE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT THEY NEED TO BE GOOD AT THEIR JOBS OR THAT WE HAVE YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY TO REACT APPROPRIATELY AND PROFESSIONALLY AND WHEN THERE'S A FIRE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND SO I, I SO WE GET TO YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THAT NUMBER NOW YOU TAKE 25% OF THAT NUMBER AND THEN YOU ASK US WHAT WE STOP DOING AND TRUTHFULLY YOU KNOW IF WE DIVIDED THAT BY THAT NOT EVEN INCLUDING COMMERCIAL FOLKS WE DIVIDED IT BY THE 23,000 WHOLE HOMEOWNERS THAT PAY TAXES ON A PER TAXPAYERASIS. IT'S NOT VERY BIG AND IT GETS HARD IT GETS REALLY HARD BECAUSE YOU ALMOST FEEL LIKE YOU'RE PICKING NITS IF YOU WILL BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU COULD YOU COULD MAYBE LIKE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THIS WAS YOU KNOW, AS COUNCILMEMBER MENTIONED, MAYBE WE STOP PLOWING RESIDENTIAL SIDEWALKS BECAUSE BY THE WAY, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THAT ANYWAY BECAUSE IN OUR IN OUR ACTUAL ORDINANCE IT SAYS RESIDENTS ARE RESPONSIBLE. SO MAYBE WE STOP DOING THAT. OKAY. SURE. THAT MIGHT HELP US GET BETTER COVERAGE ON THE PLACES WHERE WE MUST DO THAT LIKE AROUND PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND PLACES LIKE THAT. BUT I DON'T THINK IT TAKES A POINT OFF THE LEVY BY A LONG, LONG WAY. SO YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO THAT. I'M ALL FOR LIKE LET'S PUT THAT ON THE TABLE AND MAYBE WE COULD FIND TWO OR THREE OR FOUR OF THOSE AND WE'D GET A POINT OFF THE LEVY. BUT I, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET FROM 9% TO 3% WHICH IS WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO PAY. I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO IT. IF ANYBODY DOES KNOW WE'D LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT IT BUT YOU KNOW ,AGAIN, IT'S NOT 100% WE'RE LOOKING AT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT 25% OF THE NUMBERS UNLESS WE WANT TO START YOU KNOW, DEGRADING THE SERVICES THAT BLOOMINGTON HAS BECOME KNOWN FOR AND HAS PRIDE ABOUT AND IS ,YOU KNOW, ABOVE AND BEYOND MOST FOLKS IN THE IN THE IN THE TWIN CITIES IN THE METRO YOU KNOW I I DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN BECAUSE I MOVED HERE FOR THOSE REASONS AND SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE MOVED THERE FOR THOSE REASONS. YOU KNOW A THIRD OF OUR A THIRD OF OUR OUR OUR CITY IS SET ASIDE FOR SPACE. WELL, THAT TAKES A LOT OF TIME ENERGY, MONEY AND INVESTMENT TO MAINTAIN. SO YOU COULD YOU COULD GET RID OF A FEW OF THOSE? I'M NOT VOTING FOR THAT. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU ALL YOU KNOW I MEAN YOU COULD RIGHT? WE COULD SELL IT SELL THE LAND OFF TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER AND TURN IT INTO SOMETHING ELSE. YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY FROM US THEY LIVE HERE AS OPPOSED TO SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE. THOSE PARKS ARE HERE AND SO I JUST PUT OUT I'LL JUST PUT IT OUT TO ANYONE WANTS TO SIT DOWN AND HELP ME FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIND PLACES TO CUT. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 100% OF THIS 9% NUMBER. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 25% OF THAT 9% NUMBER ON THE TABLE . THANKS. ANK YOU. COUNCILMBER OTHER THOUGHTS COUNCIL. COUNCILMEMBER WOMAN OH, GO. YOU KNOW SO I MEAN I YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE THING THAT THAT'S ALWAYS WITH ME IS YOU KNOW, WHEN I'M YOU KNOW, AT THE DOORS I KNOW A NUMBER YOU ARE AT THE DOORS TOO AND YET YOU HAVE THAT ELDER OLDER PERSON AT THE AND I'M GETTING CLOSER TO THOSE TO THAT AGE RANGE. AND THE PERSO TELLS Y, HEY, YOU KNOW GOSH, YOU KNOW, MY YOU KNOW, I BOUGHT THIS HOUSE THAT WAS AT THIS VALUE AND I APPRECIATE THE IDEA THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BRING THAT THE VALUE OF MY HOUSE UP . BUT AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, MY FIXED INCOME THIS IS REALLY DIFFICULT TO BE ABLE TO TRY TO GET BY AND THEN YOU KNOW THEN YOU TRY TO BALANCE THAT YOU KNOW, WITH WHAT COUNCILMEMBER MOUA JUST YOU KNOW, BROUGHT YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF THAT THAT BALANCE IN TERMS OF MAKING THIS AN ATTRACTIVE PLACE THAT FOLKS WANT TO BE AT. AND I THINK THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT THAT YOU KNOW YOU KNOW SO DALLAS TALKED ABOUT THAT AS WELL AT 25% THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S OUT THERE THAT BROUGHT MY FAMILY HERE SO MANY YEARS AGO AND SO WE HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO INVEST IN WHAT'S COMING AND PEOPLE ARE ASKING VERY VALID QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW AND SO ONE THING I WOULD ASK AS WE PUT TOGETHER THE YOU KNOW, AS WE LOOK INTO THE FUTURE ALONG THIS THIS BUDGET CALENDAR IS AND I THINK CUSTOMER DALLESSANDRO REALLY PUT IT WELL YOU KNOW IN MY BUSINESS I'M AT WE DO DO SURVEYS YOU KNOW IN TERMS OF SALARY TO LOOK AT THOSE SALARIES TO SEE HEY HERE'S HOW WE AND I WANT TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE YOU KNOW THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON IS REALLY THAN REALLY ANYTHER CITY THAT YOU'LL IN BLOOMINGTON BUT I THINK IT GIVES A IT GIVES OUR AN UNDERSTANDING OF , YOU KNOW, THE VALUE AT WHICH THAT INVESTMENT THAT THEY'RE MAKING IN THE CITY THAT WE HAVE HERE. AND SO IF WE WANT REALLY GOOD EMPLOYEES, THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST. AND IF YOU LOOK AT YOU KNOW, I JUST TEND TO THINK HEY WE NEED A PR AH OUR STAFF YOU KNOW WHAT MARKET DEMANDS AND THAT THAT MEANS YOU'VE GOT TO BE AT THE TOP END OF THAT I THINK YOU KNOW YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR AND SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I'M OKAY WITH YOU IN 2023 WE YOU KNOW, PUT TOGETHER I A PUBLIC SAFETY PIECE THAT WAS ABOUT 68% OF OUR BUDGET OR THEREABOUTS. I'M OKAY WITH WITH THOSE TYPES OF INVESTMENTS AND I DO KNOW THAT WE LOOK IN TH OUT YEARS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SOME VERY DIFFICULT DECISIONS. AND I JUST HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS COUNCIL AND FUTURE COUNCILS ARE WILL CONTINUE TO TRY TO LOOK AT THAT BALANCE AND BE LOOKING TO INVEST IN THOSE THOSE THOSE YEARS THAT ARE COMING BY THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE TODAY. SO I YOU KNOW, AGAIN MANAGE RIGHT AND I'VE ASKED YOU IN THE PAST THIS MANY A TIMES BUT YOU KNOW I DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT JUST ONE YEAR YOU KNOW AS MUCH AS WE CAN IF WE CAN LOOK AT THE NEXT YEAR WHICH IS IT'S A DIFFICULT ASK BECAUSE I KNOW SO MANY THINGS CHANGE FROM YEAR TO YEAR AND WE WE WERE SCHOOLED IN THAT WHEN WE HAD THE THE PANDEMIC. BUT I DO THINK IT JUST MAKES SENSE TO KIND OF THINK OF THESE THINGS ON AN ONGOING BASIS OF MANY YEARS OUT THAT THAT'S GOING. SO IN TERMS OF WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY WITH THIS, I'M OKAY BUT I STILL THINK WE DO NEED TO PRESS TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THINGS THAT WE CAN EITHER STOP DOING LESS THAT THE LESS THAT HE HAD IN THE PAST AND SO YOU KNOW I CAN SUPPORT WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY BUT I THINK WE JUST NEED TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THIS LIST. I KNOW WE'VE GOT A NEW PARADIGM. YOU KNOW THE MAYOR TALKS ABOUT THAT AS WELL AND I WANT TO SUPPORT THAT AS WELL. BUT I THINK THAT WHAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR US IS TO KIND OF REALLY LAY THIS OUT KIND OF EXPLAIN WHY WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING AND AND THEN I THINK THEY'LL BE WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THIS. SO THAT'S THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. MR. RUBY THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN I APPRECIATE THAT. AND SO I HAD RESPONDED EARLIER THAT THEY HAVE SOME LARGER COEXT, RIGHT, TO DISCUSS. YOU KNOW, WE WE DO LOOK AROUND AT OUR PEER COMMUNITIES TO SEE WHERE THEY'RE AT ON A YEAR TO YEAR BASIS. NONE OF THAT IS TO JUSTIFY THE WHATEVER WE'RE PUTTING FORWARD AS A PROPOSAL. IT'S JUST TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S DRIVING THE DECISIONS THAT CITIES ARE FACING RIGHT NOW. SO YOU KNOW, WHEN SAY POOR COMMUNITIES I'M TALKING ABOUT METRO CITIES THAT ARE GENERALLY GREATER THAN 50,000 POPULATION AND WE'RE THE LARGEST OF THEM. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF WHO WE SORT OF COMPARE OURSELVES TO THE LOWEST AMONG THAT GROUP IS FIVE AND A HALF PERCENT AND THAT'S JUST FOUR AND THAT'S IN INCREASED INSURANCE AND UTILITY COSTS AND AN EXISTING STAFFING COMPLEMENT. SO THAT'S NO ADDS ONES AT 6.75% AND THAT'S A STATUS QUO BUDGET, YOU KNOW, NOTHING ADDITIONAL BEYOND WHAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE AND THEN JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS ABOVE THAT. AND SO THE THEME HERE W FAMILIAR. ONE OF THEM IS THAT ABOUT SEVEN AND THREE QUARTERS FIVE AND A HALF WITH A BASE AND THEN TWO AND A QUARTER FOR PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN WHICH IS ADDING POLICE AND FIRE. ONE OF THEM IS 8.4% ADDED PERSONNEL COSTS AND A NEW FIRE STATION. ONE OF THEM IS AT 7.6%. 12 ADDITIONAL FTE IS MOSTLY POLICE FIRE ONE IS OUT SEVEN THIS YEAR AND OVER EIGHT IN THE SUBSEQUENT YEAR WITH ABOUT AND A HALF PERCENT FOR PARK IMPROVEMENT BONDS AND ONE IS AT ABOUT 10% TRANSITION TO FULL TIME FIRE PARK BOND REFERENDUM FULL YEAR COSTS OF MID 2023 HIRES I EVERY CITY IN THE SURVEY IS BASICALLY HAVING THE EXACT SAME ALLENGES THAT THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON IS AND WE'RE ROUGHLY IN THE SAME PLACE IN TERMS OF WHAT THOSE LEVY PROPOSALS ARE. SO THIS IS NOT UNIQUE TO THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE DOING THAT IS AN OUTLIER FROM WHAT'S BEING EXPERIENCED IN COMMUNITIES AROUND THE TWIN CITIES. THIS IS WHERE OUT PEOPLE ARE MAKING INVESTMENTS PUBLIC SAFETY COMMUNITIES THAT ARE AGING OR REINVESTING IN THE COMMUNITIES AND WE HAVE THE PRESSURES OF INCREASED COSTS ASSOCIATED TRYING TO RECRUIT AND RETAIN REALLY GOOD EMPLOYEES KNOW YOU KNOW THANK YOU FOR THAT CITY MANAGER I JUST SAW YOU KNOW THIS IS NOT IN THAT SAME PEER GROUP BUT I SAW ONE CITY THAT LOST THEIR ENTIRE POLICE DEPARTMENT. YOU KNOW IT JUST WE'RE TRYING TO IT'LL GET KEEP THERE AND I'M SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THAT AT THAT POINT BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S AN EXAMPLE WHERE YOU SAY HEY, WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, TIGHTEN THIS BELT SO HARD THAT YOU END UP PAYING A LOT MORE THAN WHAT YOU ALREADY WERE AT RIGHT TODAY I'D RATHER JUST ASSUME HAVE THIS CONVERSATION TODAY THAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION LATER ON. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER, THANK YOU, AARON. I FEEL LIKE I AGREE WITH A LOT OF WHAT HAS BEEN SAID ALREADY . I HAVE ALSO BEEN DOING A LOT OF DOOR KNOCKING LATELY AND AND BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING AT THE DOORS AND BASED ON THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT INPUT, I MEAN OVERALL IT REAY DOE FEEL LIKE PEOPLE LOVE LIVING IN BLOOMINGTON. THEY LOVE THE AMENITIES THAT THEY HAVE AVAILABLE TO THEM. THEY THINK THAT THE CITY IS DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB AND AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER MOI. I DON'T THINK THAT THE RESIDENTS OF BLOOMINGTON WOULD BE OKAY WITH SEA LEVEL SERVICE AND GOING TO COUNCILMEMBER DENNIS ON HIS POINT IT REALLY DOES LEAVE THAT 25% OF OUR BUDGET WHICH I THINK PROBABLY ALMOST HALF OF THAT AS PARKS AND REC WHICH WE JUST HEARD WAS ONE OF THE TOP PRIORITIES FOR OUR RESIDENTS. SO I DO THINK WE'RE IN A REALLY TOUGH POSITION. I THINK WE'VE MADE THAT SUPER CLEAR AT THIS POINT. I GUESS I AM IF THERE ARE THINGS LEFT OVER FROM THE COMMUNITY BUDGET ADVISORY LIST OF ITEMS THAT WE DIDN'T CONSIDER I MEAN WE DIDN'T CHOOSE THEM AT THAT TIME SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE WLD NOT CHOOSE THEM NOW BUT YOU KNOW SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AND THEN I ALSO JUST ENCOURAGE STAFF I THINK THAT STAFF THE CITY DO A REALLY GOOD JOB OF THIS ANYWAY BUT YOU CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK OTHER REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES INCLUDING YOU KNOW ARE THERE INGS TT WE SULD BE ADDING TO OUR POLICY AGENDA THE STATE IN THE NATIONAL LEVEL TO ADVOCATE FOR MORE RESOURCES FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT WHICH AS YOU JUST MENTIONED LIKE OBVIOUSLY THERE IS A TREND RIGHT WE NEED MORE SUPPORT IN LOCAL AND I KNOW THE CHANGES TO LOCAL GOVERNMENT AID THIS LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION HELP BUT IT FEELS LIKE NOT ENOUGH AND SO THOSE ARE SOME OF MY THOUGHTS AND THEN ALSO TO COUNCILMEMBER LOEHMANN'S POINT AROUND STAFF SALARIES MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE WILL BE A MARKET DONE IN 2024 AND SO THEN I THINK THAT WILL HAVE A BETTER SENSEOO OF W WE CPARE T OTHER CIES AROUND US AND THAT'LL BE HELPFUL. SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. I DON'T KNOW THAT'S THAT'S. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER CARTER TO A GOOD DISCUSSION TOPICS RELATED TO THE COMMUNITY BUDGET ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND WHETHER THERE ARE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME FROM SEE THAT THE COUNCIL MAY WANT TO REVISIT. COUNCIL MEMBERS WILL RECALL WE TOURED THE RECOMMENDATIONS AT THE TIME SO THERE WAS GROUP A GROUP B AND A GROUP C THE GROUP IS ULTIMATELY WHAT WAS SELECTED. IT WAS SIGNIFICANT CUTS. WE HAD 23 FTE THAT WERE ELIMINATED AS A REDUCTION AS A AS A RESULT OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE RECOMMENDATION FROM C BECK AND THE AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME IS THERE WASN'T MUCH OF A DESIRE TO GO BEYOND THOSE THOSE OPTIONS MAY RECALL LAST YEAR THAT THE C BACK ISSUE WAS RAISED AGAIN IF THERE'S SOMETHING AND WE SHARED THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS I DID NOT HEAR ANYTHING BACK FROM COUNCIL MEMBE THAT THERE WAS ATHINGN THAT GROUP B OR GROUP C THAT FOLKS WERE INTERESTED IN PURSUING. WE CAN CERTAINLY RECIRCULATE THAT AND IF COUNCIL MEMBERS DO SEE SOMETHING THERE CAN PURSUE THAT DURING THE COURSE OF CONVERSATION HERE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS IN TERMS OF OTHER GOVERNMENT FUNDING FOR PROJECTS, THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION BECAUSE THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THAT IS GOING TO BE FLOWING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH THE IRA AND THE IJA, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE G IS FOR JOBS ACT THANK YOU. AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF FEDERAL MONEY IN THE SYSTEM RIGHT NOW. WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR FEDERAL LOBBYIST TO IDENTIFY WHERE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES ARE. I THINK ONE OF THE GREATEST OPPORTUNITIES FOR US IS NOT IN AN AREA GOING TO ALLEVIATE MUCH COST OR TAKE YOU KNOW, SUPPLEMENT THE LOCAL FUNDING FOR PROJECTS WE WERE DOING ANYWAY. BUT I THINK IT'S IN THE AREA OF SOLAR THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO EXPAND OUR OUR UTILIZATION OF SOLAR FASTER AS A AS A RESULT OF THOSE FEDERAL FUNDS. IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL IN PURSUING THOSE AND THE COUNCIL'S AWARE THAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED WE'VE SUBMITTED REQUEST TO THE STATE OF MINNESOTA FOR CAPITAL BONDING IN THE 2024 SESSION THAT COMMENSURATE WITH THE SIZE OF BLOOMINGTON IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA AND THE RESOURCES THAT ARE BEING ALLOCATED TO THE LARGER SERVINGITIES OF ROCHESTER, SAINT PAUL, MINNEAPOLIS AND SEVERAL CITIES SMALLER THAN BLOOMINGTON ACTUALLY RECEIVED QUITE A BIT MORE IN TERMS OF CAPITAL THAN WHAT BLOOMINGTON RECEIVED IN 2023. WE'VE WE HAVE ABOUT $45 MILLION IN REQUESTS THAT WE'VE PUT FORWARD AND HOPEFULLY OF THOSE WILL COME THROUGH WHERE THAT'S LIKELY TO HELP US AS SUPPLANT SUPPLANTING GENERAL FUND BONDING COST BUT ALSO OUR UTILITY RATES BECAUSE SEVERAL OF THEM ARE UTILITY PROJECTS THAT WILL BE HOPEFULLY ABLE TO USE FUTURE INCREASES IN OUR UTILITY SERVICES BECAUSE OF THOSE PROJECT POTENTIALLY BEING FUNDED. SO YES, WE ARE PURSUING BOTH FEDERAL AND STATE OUTSIDE FUNDING TO TRY AND ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE BURDEN OF LOCAL TAXPAYERS AND LOCAL RATEPAYERS AND THAT'S PART OF THE RESIDENTIAL AND AT A COMMERCIAL LEVEL. THANK YOU MR. BRUNING. COUNCILMBER DALLESSANDRO THE ONE THING I THINK THAT THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. SORRY THE ONE THING THAT I I DO WANT TO MAKE A NOTE OF I THINK WISCONSIN YOU MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS WE WE WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT THINGS WE NEED TO FUND THAN WE DID FIVE YEARS AGO. AND IT'S NOT JUST AT THE CAPITAL LEVEL BUT IT'S AS A RESULT OF THINGS LIKE OUR DROUGHT THAT'S CALLED AN EMERALD ASH BORER THAT'S CAUSING A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO OUR TREES. YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN HERE FOR YOU KNOW, THE CONTINUED FUNDING OF MORE WORK IN THE NATURAL RESOURCES DEPARTMENT FOR ANOTHER FORESTER TO KIND OF HELP GET IN FRONT OF THOSE REALLY SIGNIFICANT ISSUES. I DON'T RECALL WHERE I WAS WHEN THIS CONVERSATION HAPPENED. I APOLOGIZE. BUT SOMEBODY THAT I WAS TALKING TO RECENTLY MAYBE IT WAS A NATIONAL NIGHT OUT ACTUALLY TOLD ME THAT THEY WERE DRIVING DOWN LYNDALE AVENUE ANDNEF THE TREES FELL OVER RIGHT BEHIND THEIR CAR. I MEAN IF IT HAD BEEN WITHIN 5 SECONDS ON EITHER END IT COULD HAVE BEEN A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE . SO YOU KNOW, WITH THE AMOUNT OF TREES THAT ARE DYING IN AND WE NEED TO GET THEM WE NEED TO GET THAT CANOPY REPLACED RIGHT WE CAN'T JUST SAY WE'RE GOING TO PULL THEM OUT AND LEAVE THEM THERE. WE NEED TO GET THEM REPLACED. IN FACT TWO FOR EVERYONE WOULD BE MY IDEA BUT THEY NEED TO BE OF A DIVERSITY RATE THAT ALLOWS US TO MITIGATE SOME OF THIS STUFF. SO YOU KNOW OVER AND ABOVE JUST TALKING ABO WHATE OPPED DOING IT' A LOT TO ME IT'S A LOT LIKE BECAUSE WE'RE STOPPING DOING THIS AND WE'RE DOING THIS MAYBE THE NUMBER DOESN'T CHANGE BUTHE PHILOSOPHY BEHIND WHAT WE'RE SPENDING THAT MONEY ON IS WHAT'S CHANGING AND YOU POINT TO TO TO THAT RIGHT WE STOPPED DOING X BECAUSE YOU YOU KNOW WE ALL KNOW WE NEED TO DO WHY AND I'D BE VERY IN ANY OF THOSE KINDS OF OF PROJECTS AS WELL SO THAT IF WE ARE ASKING FOR THIS KIND OF MONEY ANYWAY WE'RE ABLE TO POINT TO IT MUCH LIKE WE DID LAST TIME. RIGHT. WE SAID 9.15% SORRY THAT. WE'RE ALL HOUSE OWNERS TOO HERE. SO FOR ALL OF US 4% OF THAT OR YOU KNOW 4% TO FIRE 4% THAT TO POLICE AND THE OTHER 1% TO NATURAL RESOURCES LIKE WE KNEW THAT AND I FEEL CONFIDENT WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION LIKE THAT WITH PEOPLE SO NOT ONLY UNDERSTANDING THE NUMBERS ARE BUT UNDERSTANDING HOW THEY'RE BEING APPLIED SO THAT WHEN WE SAY YEP THEIR SALARIES ARE GOING UP FOR THOSE WORKERS BUT THE ONES THAT WERE THE ONES THAT WE'RE INVESTING IN ARE, THE ONES THAT ARE DOING THE WORK THAT YOU WANT US TO DO THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. THANKS. AND BY THE WAY, I APOLOGIZE, MR. MAYOR. IT'S JUST DISCUSSION. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS A PARTICULAR ASK OUT OF TONIGHT THAT LIKE IS THERE A PARTICULAR QUESTION OR TWO THAT YOU WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE ALL ANSWERED FOR? YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS I THINK THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR. OKAY. MEAN THIS IS WHAT WE WERE LISTENING TO THE STAFF INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE TO THIS POINT AND THIS IS THE DISCUSSION. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND COUNCILMEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION BECAUSE MAYBE WE HAVEN'T BEEN CLEAR. SO THE NEXT STEP FOR US OBOUSLY I THAT WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK AND ASK THE COUNCIL TO ADOPT A PRELIMINARY LEVY WHICH IS REQUIRED BY THE END SEPTEMBER. I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT A MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 18TH IS WHEN THAT ACTION WOULD BE BEFORE THE COUNCIL. SO WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO GET OUT OF THIS CONVERSATION IS A SENSE FROM YOU THAT WE'RE IN THE RIGHT RANGE HERE. SO WHEN WE COME BACK AND ASK YOU TO ADOPT THAT PRELIMINARY LEVY THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY SURPRISES YOU'RE NOT SURPRISED BY WHAT YOU SEE WE'RE NOT SURPRISEDY HOW YOU'R RESPDING TO IT. SO IF IF IS A NUMBER IF THIS NUMBER IS NOT THE RIGHT NUMBER UP OR DOWN THAT YOU GIVE US THAT DIRECTION TONIGHT SO WE KNOW WHAT TO PREPARE FOR ON SEPTEMBER 18TH AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS. COUNCILMEMBER DEL SANDRA'S COMMENTS ABOUT AREAS MAYBE WE SHOULD BE DOING MORE WORK IN BECAUSE OF THINGS THAT ARE AFFECTING THAT COMMUNITY CONVERSATION THAT I THINK ARE NOT UNFAMILIAR TO ANY OF YOU. RIGHT. AND SE THERE ARE SOME OTHER AREAS BESIDES FORESTRY OR SUSTAINABILITY THAT COUNCILMEMBERS ARE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW THE NUMBERS THIS YEAR I FEEL A LITTLE BIT MORE CONFIDENT THAT THE NUMBERS ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE TOO MUCH OVER THE FEW MONTHS OF THE YEAR UNLESS SOMETHING DRAMATIC HAPPENS WITH SAY INTEREST RATES OR INFLATION BECAUSE ONE OF THE BIG DRIVERS HERE FRANKLY IS DEVELOPMENT CYCLE AND HOW THE MARKET IS RESPONDING TO THOSE INFLATIONARY PRESSURES. IF THERE'S SUDDENLY A LEENING OTHAT, THAT MAY USE US TO SOME OF OUR ASSUMPTIONS GOING INTO 2024. BUT RIGHT NOW I THINK WE HAVE A PRETTY CLEAR EYED OF WHAT'S HAPPENING. SO I THINK OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS WE'LL BE WANTING TO TALK TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT IS THE MORE OF THE SPECIFIC DETAIL WITHIN THE DEPARTMENTS THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE DRIVING MOST OF THE BUDGET INCREASES. A NUMBER OF DEPARTMENTS HERE ARE JUST I DON'T LIKE TO USE STATUS QUO BUT IN TERMS OF THE FROM A COST PERSPECTIVE IT'S PRETTY NOMINAL, RHT? D SO I D'T THAT WE NEED TO GO BACK AND HAVE A WHOLE CONVERSATION AROUND A 1% DEPARTMENTAL INCREASE IF IT'S JUST THE SAME STAFFING COMPLEMENT AND SAME ASSUMPTIONS ON YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR OPERATING COSTS ARE GOING TO BE. BUT FOR THE DEPARTMENTS WHERE WE'RE SEEING MORE OF A DRAMATIC SHIFT OR CHANGE IN COST, WE PROBABLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS AND THEN MAYBE GO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER IN SOME OF THE SOME OF THE IDEAS OF COUNCILMEMBERS HAVE EXPRESSED ABOUT THINGS THEY'D LIKE US TO LOOK AT. COUNCILMEMBER AND THEN COUNCILMBER NSON COUNCILMEMBER THANK YOU MAYOR AND THIS QUESTION IS FOR THE CITY MANAGER JUST SO I REMEMBER CORRECTLY WHEN WE SAID THE PRELIMINARY BUDGET THAT MEANS THAT THE CAP RATE WE CAN'T GO ABOVE THAT WE CAN ALWAYS WORK DOWN FROM IT AND SO WE WOULDN'T WANT TO PREEMPTIVELY LOWER PRELIMINARY BUDGET OVER THE PRELIMINARY LEVY RIGHT AWAY IN CASE SOMETHING POPPED UP AND WE'RE STUCK BECAUSE WE CAN'T GO OVER THAT. IS THAT CORRECT? MR. MAYOR COUNCILMEMBERS COUNCILMEMBER THAT IS EXACTLY CORRECT. WE CANNOT GO HIGHER THAN THE NUMBER THAT IS ADOPTED IN SEPTEMBER YOU CAN DECREASE IT AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS OVER THE SUBSEQUENT MONTHS TO GET A LITTLE INTO THE DETAILS AND THEN IT'S LIKELY GOING TO BE THE FIRST MEETING IN DECEMBER THAT WE WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL TO ACT ON THE FINAL BUDGET AND THAT WILL USUALLY COINCIDE WITH THEIR TRUTH AND TAXATION HEARING WHICH IS A REQUIRED STEP IN THE PROCESS AS WELL. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON YEAH. THANK YOU. JUST A QUICK POINT TO THE CIT MANAR'S CMENTS WH REGARDS TO INFLATION, BUT I WOULD THAT THE MINNEAPOLIS ST PAUL BLOOMINGTON AREA CPI IN MAY WAS 1.8% AND LATELY WAS 1%. THIS REGION HAS DONE A JOB OF CONTROLLING INFLATION LARGELY DUE TO A LOT OF POLICIES THAT WE'VE LOOKED AT IN TERMS OF HOUSING AND HOUSING WAS DRIVING INFLATION SIGNIFICANTLY FOR PEOPLE. THE COST OF HOUSING AND SO I APPLAUD THIS COUNCIL FOR DOING THAT. I DON'T KNOW IT IMPACTS OUR BUDGET BUT IT CAME UP AND I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THATND I THINK YOU KNOW IT'S A QUESTION THAT WE GET IN TERMS OF COST DRIVERS FOR THE INDIVIDUAL TAXPAYER AND YOU KNOW WHAT WE DOING WITH THIS HOUSING POLICY AND HAVING MORE HOUSING WELL, IF WE CAN KEEP HOUSING COSTS FROM GOING UP 10% A YEAR, THAT'S GOING TO HELP YOU ON YOUR PROPERTY TAXES. AND SO THAT WE'RE SEEING THAT IMPACT HERE ALREADY. MR. BARRY THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON IT'S A GOOD POINT ESPECIALLY ON JUST THE INFLATION FOR THE TWIN CITIES MARKET COMMENTS THAT OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE MADE TONIGHT ABOUT ADDITIONAL PRESSURES THAT RESIDENTS FACE WHETHER THEY INTO THE GROCERY STORE OR BUYING OTHER NECESSITIES. THAT'S THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE BENEFICIARIES OF THAT, IS IT REDUCES SOME OF THAT ADDITIONAL PRESSURE SO THAT THAT IS GOOD NEWS FOR OUR COMMUNITY IN THE LARGER TWIN CITIES COMMUNITY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. COUNCILMEMBER ELLISON'S COMMENTS MADE ME THINK OF SOMETHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT WE WE DO HAVE THAT KIND OF THAT LIKE REGIONAL BENEFIT THEREOW H QUICKLY CAN WE MOVE IF I IF AT ALL AS A AS A CITY ENTITY TO SOURCE MATERIALS THAT IN A WAY THAT MIGHT HELP US. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT'S NOT RELEVANT AT THE LARGER SCALE BUT YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE WHO AREN'T SOURCING IF WE ARE SOURCING THINGS FROM LOCAL PROVIDERS AND THAT INFLATION IS LOWER, THAT CPI IS LOWER HERE THAT MEANS THAT THE PRICE WE PAY IF BUY RIGHT AROUND HERE IS GOING TO BE LESS THAN IF WE IMPORTED IT FROM THE COASTS OR WHATEVER AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET ANYTHING HERE THAT WE REALLY ARE TALKING ABOUT WHEN IT COMES THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. BUT I ALSO DON'T KNOW HOW QUICKLY WE CAN AS A AS A SOURCING ENTITY ANYWAY GIVEN THAT WE'RE A MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT TO TRY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT KIND STUFF. BUT I WOULD BE CERTAINLY VERY INTERESTED IF WE GOT INNOVATIVE THAT FRONT AND AND LOOKED AT YOU KNOW SOURCING FROM LOCAL PROVIDERS OR YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S AN EQUITY OPPORTUNITY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT WOULD BE USEFUL TO US TO BE BE YOU KNOW, TRIMMING OR TAKING ADVANTAGE WOULD BE A BETTER WAY TO PUT IT OF THAT THAT YOU KNOW, KIND OF A GOOD JOB AS COUNCILMEMBER NELSON DESCRIBED IT AS TRYING TO KEEP CONSUMER PRICES AT A STEADY STATE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE GET THE CHANCE TO DO THAT BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE COOL IF WE DID THROW THAT OUT THERE AS A PLACE TO LOOK. MR. DRAGHI, THANK MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO VERY INTERESTING QUESTION A RATHER THAN SWAG IT FOR YOU, I'M GOING TO MAYBE FOLLOW UP AND TALK TO OUR PURCHASING FKS BECAUSE I THINK LOT OF THE MATERIALS WE PURCHASE ARE MORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE SUPPLY CHAIN AND WHERE GET THOSE MATERIALS FROM. BUT THE COMMENT ABOUT LOCALLY SOURCING THINGS OR INCORPORATING AN EQUITY COMPONENT INTO OUR PURCHASING IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT IS IN OUR IN OUR WORK PLAN FOR RACIAL STRATEGIC PLAN AND WE ARE PLANNING ON PARTICIPATING IN A STUDY THAT WILL HELP US GET THE DATA AT A LOCAL LEVEL TO JTIFY THE CREATION OF SUCH A POLICY. BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE DATA AND IT TAKES US A WHILE TO GET THAT DATA AND THOSE STUDIES ARE NOT DONE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. SO WE'LL PROBABLY JUMP IN WITH SOME OTHER CITIES IN REGION TO DO THAT KIND OF STUDY. AND SO WE'RE I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY A COUPLE OF YEARS OUT BEFORE WE KNOW THAT UNTIL ANYTHING ELSE. I THINK THE FINAL QUESTION I HAD WITH YOU KNOW, JUMPING TOO FAR AHEAD ITHE BOO BECAU DON'TPOIL ANYING AS WE LOOK TOWARD OCTOBER AND A DISCUSSION ABOUT UTILITY RATES BECAUSE WE WE'VE HAD THE DISCUSSION IN THE PAST ABOUT THE TOTAL COST GOVERNMENT. IT'S NOT JUST THE TAX LEVY, IT IS THE UTILITY RATES AS WELL AND THE DIFFERENT PIECES OF THE PUZZLE THAT THAT IT ALL TAKES. DO WE ANY IDEA WHAT OUR UTILITY RATES WILL BE LOOKING LIKE FOR NEXT YEAR? MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE WE DO I DON'T THAT AND HAVE MY HEAD BUT WE'VE WE'VE HAD ALL THOSE BUDGET MEETINGS AND WE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECALL DO YOU MEAN THE RANGE OF OKAY BUT WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION WE CAN SHARE WITH YOU AND WE'LL HAVE CONVERSATION AND IN OCTOBER I GET THAT. SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU. LOOK FORWARD TO THIS CONTINUED CONVERSATION AND I ARECIATE THE INFORMATION TONIGHT AND I APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION TONIGHT. IT'S BEEN VERY THOUGHTFUL AND INSIGHTFUL AND A USEFUL CONVERSATION. I'M SURE. FOR STAFF AND FOR US AS POLICYMAKERS AND I AND I HOPE FOR RESIDENTS AS THEY GET TO SEE ONCE AGAIN AS COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN LIKES TO KEEP POINTING OUT THIS WHEN WE START TO TELEVISE THE SAUSAGE MAKING, THIS IS WHAT THE SAUSAGE MAKING LOOKS LIKE AND IT'S A GOOD DISCUSSION AND I THINK IT'S A WORTHWHILE THING FOR PEOPLE TO SEE HOW WE COME TO THE DECISIONS THAT WE ULTIMATELY COME TO. SO WELL DONE. THANK YOU FOR FOR THE CONVERSATION THIS EVENING ON THIS. OUR ONLY OTHER ITEM ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS OUR CITY AND COUNCIL UPDATE. I HAVE NOTHING MR. RUBY NOTHG COUIL ANYTHG. VERY GOOD IF THERE IS NOTHING ELSE WE'VE COMPLETED OUR AGENDA AND LOOK FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN TONIGHT SO MOTION IN A SECOND TO ADJOURN NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I I OPPOSE THE MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO AGAIN THANKS SO MUCH FOR THE DISCUSSION COUNCIL THANK YOU CARRIE AND THANK YOU ALL THE STAFF WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO THAT BUDGET WHICH I KNOW JUST DOESN'T FALL FROM THE SKY A LOT OF WORK GOES INTO THAT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU