Based on the context provided and the phonetic clues in the text, here is the corrected transcript with speaker names. **Note on Names:** Several speakers identified as Councilmembers in the transcript (e.g., Balsanek, Folch, Lund, Vaughan, Braucks) are not on the specific list provided in your prompt, while others (like Mayor Fasbender and Councilmember Leifeld) are. This indicates the transcript is likely from a previous city council term (specifically during the 2020 COVID-19 pandemic). I have used the names as they are clearly addressed in the dialogue. [0:00] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** people are having some ears with the public link I'm just getting an email up from lazy Vreeland that the the public link doesn't work I think Nick had a similar issue I just looked at a text he sent so I maybe some issues on that end of it at the moment I don't know Dan if you if you if you've got that available if you're able to to send that out dan would teach I'm just looking to see to see if we can find the public link I just had had an email from lazy link doesn't work so seeing if I [0:49] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** could find what what that is at this point I received a text from Tasha as well that she can't get in well I guess I'll start the meeting and and make my statement first so the city administration has determined that an in-person being is impractical or prudent during because of the covenant-- pandemic and the declaration of state and local emergencies percent inform statutes chapter 12 and other laws further attendance of the meetings by [1:36] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** any other than the count City Council city staff in public at the regular location in the City Council Chambers is not feasible due to Kovan 19 pandemic and closure of City Hall to members of the public as a result of the foregoing the special the council meeting will be conducted solely by telephone or other electronic means as provided in the Minnesota Statutes 13 D point 0 to 1 and no in-person meeting will be conducted in the City Council Chambers I think it is important to recognize that using videoconference is not as good as an in-person meeting but it is necessary under the circumstances we are doing the best we can to maintain transparency and [2:23] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** due process I would appreciate everyone's patience and cooperation as we work through the meeting and as I stated earlier of an agenda or anything I mind my phone because of technology and John and Dan will help assist me so with that we are in discussion of the follow up on the further business support measures during covin 19 for the downtown business association John will you be the one assisting I guess you mayor [3:10] **John Hinzman (Community Development Director):** I could provide a brief summary I think we're pretty awareness of the requests in the situation here but I'll provide a little bit of background as you know from last Monday on the first we did have a request before the City Council on a number of items which we'll go through briefly in a second here the item was tabled at that meeting and to the special meeting today with that there was a follow-up letter that was also given by the DBA a couple of days later that clarified and modified some of the items I'll go through those and then we've also had some action by the governor that happened on Friday in which there was some partial lifting of restrictions for restaurants and bars indoor seating it can now be had up to 50% capacity the maximum of 250 people so that that's also a major change as to [3:56] **John Hinzman:** what went on so at this point we have a request by the DBA for a few different items on here and as we went through at the last meeting we have done a second request that we've had from the DBA the first one that went into place at the meeting of the 18th established the expanded outdoor seating parklets which we were able to put into place and have ready for people to utilize adding more seating adding more toilets adding more flexibility for restaurants in town for the use of their parking lots we took a lot of those actions at the first specifically for people to utilize as well but what we're looking at here is a couple of items looks like we we have a request from [4:42] **John Hinzman:** them on the adoption of an emergency ordinance which would establish the ability to consume beer liquor on the streets of public property the original request that they had in the first has been modified they've shrunk that back to a one block area I believe which would be 2nd Street between the bridge and Sibley Street the restaurant employees would what but to patrol this area not allowed bringing in of outside coolers as part of operations and it would be limited now to the weekends so the bridge Plaza and that area of 2nd Street is Sibley is what they're looking at today we're looking at the ability to have beer and wine consumption within this area staff has not recommended [5:29] **John Hinzman:** approval of this we've got some significant questions related to that which we could discuss with you as as the time goes through here but that request continues a one thing I should note is well I did have a conversation with Latasha Nelson yesterday just to verify that the requests that are before you today are unchanged from the revised letter and from the governor's order allowing for more flexibility in the use of restaurant space we could be getting this Wednesday so have a curbside to go area within the downtown area to have some questions related to how exactly that would work that's something that might be workable waving of city fees for 2020 for restaurants and bars put some background information in your report that may be something you want to [6:15] **John Hinzman:** consider also having restaurant and patio areas expanded onto a closed portion of 2nd Street between the bridge and Sibley and along Sibley Street to the Legion these would be barricaded from Friday to Sunday June 5th through November 1st that something they still seek to have to provide a more area for people to and restaurants to use in the downtown an area they stayed the residence for employees would police the area so that people would behave themselves and not bringing outside pollution beverages pump out areas we had some discussion on that on Friday or last Monday we requesting that the flowers be planted in at least one of the three planters that's in the groupings the DBA would [7:02] **John Hinzman:** cover the additional planting planters for seeding that was the original request DBA now is requesting that one pot on each of the groupings be planted so one of them and then we've also had some information at the last meeting that there was 1500 that's been privately raised for planting and talking to the staff here we're uncertain whether how much of that would cover our expenses that that might not be the full amount so we do have that information before us and I do note that on the call here we do have Lacey Quayle and Tasha Nelson now they've been able to join the meeting as well and I can stand for any questions the council may have so at this point calls what we're asking for is your consideration of the letter from the DBA a staff is noted [7:47] **John Hinzman:** their recommendations on this and questions within this report and we can stand pretty much thank you thank you John [7:47] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** so I guess this is where I'm gonna struggle because of my situation if I can't see any raised hands or so does anyone want to make comments at this point [7:47] **Dan Wietecha (City Administrator):** I might propose that if the council wants to remove the two items that were placed on the table at the Monday's meeting so if that is something you want to do I'd propose that there be a motion and a second to take the matters from the table that's a non-debatable motion and then [8:34] **Dan Wietecha:** you would call for a vote mayor and then assuming those are both successful because of a little confusion on if there was if the first motion last time by I believe councilmember LAN covered both I would propose there be two motions to ensure that all of the items are off the table that were placed on the table on Monday [8:34] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** your I'll make a motion that both items one in item four be removed from the table for discussion okay [8:34] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** Thank You councilmember ball sonic is there a second of that motion [8:34] **Councilmember Folch:** this is council member for a second [8:34] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** let's remember Folch any other discussion on this just call over the motion okay Kirk platen would [9:22] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** you call the roll please (Vote taken: all yes). [9:30] **Dan Wietecha:** okay so now we can start conversation that council member Baum Sonic's motion was specifically about items number one and four on the agenda so if the council is inclined to have all of the DBA requests come off the table I would propose there be a second motion that covers that so that that everything would be open for discussion at this point if that's the council's [10:18] **Councilmember Lund:** okay make a motion to take the remain during remaining items off the table okay [10:18] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** Thank You councilmember lunge is there a second on that [10:18] **Councilmember Braucks:** I'll second councilmember Brax [10:18] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** thank you and please call the roll (Vote taken: all yes). all right so we'll start discussion then I I guess with item number one is that how we want to go through with it council discussion [11:08] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** your honor I'd like John elaborate on why the staff recommendation is to deny any of the items you could go through the one at a time John Thanks [11:08] **John Hinzman:** okay thank you Maribel Sanok yeah I'll start with the first order with the first request here and that's the emergency orders modifying to allow beer and liquor on the streets in downtown but couple of items that come into consideration there number one is really the differentiation between off sale and on sale liquor [11:54] **John Hinzman:** licenses right now all the restaurants the downtown area are on sale liquor licenses which means they could serve inside can't take beer outside however the legislature did provide some special legislation during Colvin that allowed for these on sale liquor licensees to have a temporary off sale license which means that if the restaurant can sell prepackaged beer wine no spirits to a customer along with the food order so it's an important clarification there number one needs to be done with food can only be prepackaged beer wine can't be spirits can't be mixed drink so it can't be a situation in which one takes a drink from one place and goes to another place [12:43] **John Hinzman:** that would not be allowed under the order second part of the order here is that special provision is until restaurants and mature of the verbage on it but resume operations inside there's we've checked into the few sources of good in the League of Minnesota cities to get there in clarification as to does the partial lifting coming up on June 10th affect that and we've had one opinion that said yeah once June 10th arrives the ability for our on sale liquor licenses our restaurants in the downtown to sell liquor to go ceases at that point granted I will admit that this isn't this is an item I don't know that it's been fully satisfied because we fear different opinions on it certainly something in [13:29] **John Hinzman:** question at this standpoint the Nexus that we have between a downtown restaurant being able to provide additional sales with with consumption areas either a is limited just food orders or be Macy's in the very near future because of the governor's order so you know we question what with the fact the effectiveness would be on it second would be the policing aspect but when you create an area there how are you gonna police it how are you gonna have underage drinking curtailed on that one what sort of effect are you're gonna have to the to the neighboring areas is a question liquor liability is a big concern for us when you have a situation in which you have multiple enterprises serving liquor within a limited area [14:16] **John Hinzman:** thing happens who assumes liability there's gonna be a lot of finger-pointing on that one of those figures is going to come towards us because we're the city and it's within our right away that's Atkins thats a concern for us we take a look at the situation of what we have under a code our ability to do that is limited we have a special you know we we have events that happened downtown the key point about the events that happened downtown at which we establish these areas is that we have a single er single entity that is responsible for this in this situation we would not have a single entity we would have multiple entities that would be and how we held held fold these individuals responsible is a question for us I think that that [15:02] **John Hinzman:** is probably a highlight of our major concerns on this one I can stand for any questions on that thank you John [15:02] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** your honor I'd like our city attorney Dan comment on what John has just gone through forests please thank you [15:50] **Dan Fleagle (City Attorney):** sure Thank You councilmember I generally agree with all of that I think the I want to be very specific for the on sale liquor licenses that exist I do not believe this city can allow service where the alcohol service is not [15:50] **Dan Fleagle:** contained within some designated space for that specific licensee I think what's being proposed here is that there would be this larger designated area the on sale liquor licensees would be able to sell alcohol from their stores or their restaurants bars and then individuals would be able to walk amongst this larger area the concept for an on sale license is that that has to be on sale on premises so when you're if you would be allowing multiple licensees to be able to funnel their customers into the larger area without any specific designation I think that is just inherently not allowed under an on [16:36] **Dan Fleagle:** sale license these this language on compact and contiguous comes into play that there has to be some designated space I think it would be conceivable to allow each of the bars or restaurants a larger space amongst some designated or fenced-in areas separated area with on 2nd Street or the rights-of-way but I think having everybody being able to mingle their customers in one large designated area is in my opinion the problem having separate spaces even if they get larger than they are now with the with the parklets or whatever we're calling them today I think that may be ok but the the mixing of those customers is what I see is the problem I think [17:25] **Dan Fleagle:** that there's a if the district is identified to allow open containers and this would be open containers that are sold off sale either by these retailers while they're allowed to do so under the new law or by any other off sale seller then I don't think we can restrict the consumption within that district to just people who purchase from these licensees downtown I think there's a fairness issue there so I I don't want to say that there can't be a district where open bottle consumption is allowed but I do not think we can limit the consumption to only beverages that are sold from these downtown retailers and I [18:15] **Dan Fleagle:** don't think that we can have the the retailer's themselves or the licensees themselves policing that if we need police to police liquor laws so I think that's a concern again I think if we're gonna allow this open area in some fashion then I think there still has to be within it designated areas for each of the on sale licensees where their customers while they have on sale purchases have to remain and I think that covers the liquor license the licensing it also covers the insurance and liability issues that come with liquor sales because if there's a problem those people are contained within the area where that alcohol was [19:03] **Dan Fleagle:** sold and can be tied back to the licensee in case of over sales or you know whatever it might be or someone gets hurt after they leave those premises so I'd say that's those that's what I've wanted to distinguish here and I think what how John explained it is is correct [19:03] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** let me ask you Dan it in terms of the liability Sidhe equally liable if there's you know some kind of a problem along with the business that's selling the alcohol either on or off sale it you know who's liable here if we were to [19:48] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** approve of this [19:48] **Dan Fleagle:** if the City Council approves something with let's just call it larger designated areas for each of the retailers what the city would do would acquire that they provide an expanded indemnification and hold harmless agreement just like they did with the parklets and they would also have to provide their insurance so I would say that the the licensee is primarily liable for problems that happen in that area the fact of the matter though is this consumption is occurring on city property the city street the city sidewalk so there is a likelihood that the city gets brought into a lawsuit if there is one as a council member noted last week the league has said that [20:35] **Dan Fleagle:** generally if we do the process correctly the league's the league coverage our insurance should allow us to defend the city under that insurance if there is a claim what I I would distinguish that though is I think that opinion from the League of Minnesota a city's insurance trust was limited to what I'm talking about some larger some designated areas on city streets or sidewalks where retailers are allowed to sell alcohol on sale and I do think they would cover in that situation what I do not think the opinion from the League of Minnesota cities insurance Trust says is that they would cover the city and the event of liability if we do what I think is what's being proposed by the DBA which is this larger area where all of the [21:22] **Dan Fleagle:** retailers customers can call mingle I think there would be a problem with that and the reason is because in any lawsuit if the city gets brought in we're gonna sit ease insurer would be trying to push the liability back on to the licensee and the facts would be too difficult in that situation to try to discern so that's what I would say about liability [22:10] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** let me just finish I'm sorry councilmember we weren't recognized we're supposed to be following decorum policy here well I'm still still am recognized because I'm asking the city attorney a question that's all right you're still in the discussion with Dan yes thank you thank you your honor dan I'm not sure if you can speak to this but if we were to approve something like this my assumption is that the business owners would have to notify their insurance companies and and there would probably be an increase in their premiums do do you know anything about that I again having grown up in the restaurant business I know that liability insurance with insurance companies is very dicey in terms of what they'll cover and what [22:55] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** they won't cover yeah so it's a lot you could respond to that please [22:55] **Dan Fleagle:** I can't say with certainty Councilmember what I can refer to is when the the licensees have expanded a crop onto the sidewalk as part of the sidewalk cafe and then recently when they were allowed to expand into the parklet areas each of the licensees were required to provide new certificates of insurance which implied they were discussing the issues with their insurers and their agents I have not heard anything that they were told that their premiums increased as a result of the additional coverage so just from experience I don't know that that would be the case but I think if there's a situation that an insurer [23:42] **Dan Fleagle:** believes creates an increased risk of liability that's when policy of premiums are going to be increased I can't say in this situation or you know any of the different possibilities if there is going to be a direct correlation to the insurance premiums [24:29] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** okay thank you Dan and thank you your honor I'll relinquish the Florida councilmember folks [24:29] **Councilmember Folch:** councilmember Folch here Your Honor I just declare if I add a couple of items and so the area this last week and I went downtown and I took the time to talk to Tasha Nelson the president of the DBA and so what they're proposed for the black to be closed down they're [24:29] **Councilmember Folch:** all going to continue to have their own patio areas that are established for the parklets as you know el Mexican hasn't had a chance to establish theirs yet so that would give them that ability and then also the first side earth would then they're also you know planning to have one I was down there it is kind of tight when you're walking across the roadway and so truly what they're trying to do is just just to establish safe pedestrian zone by closing the streets so that people can safely walk around in socially distance so all of those restaurants will continue to have their own roped in spacing I mean if you've ever been a server your worst anxiety [25:14] **Councilmember Folch:** nightmare is not knowing where your son is and so your there's just absolutely no way they're just gonna have a free-for-all in the middle of the street and so that by no means was their intention but rather it would allow so it would allow that proper social distancing so that's the first issue is dealing with closure of the street itself I mean it's their only goal is to make it safe so that people feel free to go down there and and walk around in and visit the restaurants and then the retail establishments and so um when you talk to the retail establishments their foot traffic is dismal and so they want people that feel that it's safe to be down there for a few hours and so really [26:01] **Councilmember Folch:** that's the intention with the street closure because they're still suffering greatly the second issue with that consumption and again with their servers are only going to be serving their patrons that are within their own designated roped in areas for on sales on sale serving and then the I just have League of Minnesota cities website pulled up right now a particular page that says me for outdoor space the question Ken restaurants with on sale liquor license continue to sell like limited quantities of alcoholic takeout food orders it continues to say yes and that the governor's new executive order with with the phasing of partial extensions will continue to allow that instantly [26:46] **Councilmember Folch:** continues to say that publicly on their website that there is no intent to take away the curbside to go off sale ability and so again so for the areas that are outside of the roped in patio areas it would allow for people to have the curbside to go their meal and have a beverage and then to be able to go in the plaza underneath the bridge for spillover and then if you know just in that area if they wanted to consume their there again they're off sale curbside to go so that they could do that within within the mall area and then still have the ability to go and visit some of the retail establishments [27:34] **Councilmember Folch:** that are downtown again when I went this last Saturday I walked around and the Legion was full that laughing Dan was full and I was able to get a table at the bust at night and then they were full as well and so it is very limited seating email that they currently have and I couldn't get a reservation at will Eppley Djimon so much later so it's difficult and so if you wanted to be able to still get something and go within the timeframe that you wanted to be downtown I think that we shouldn't be taking off the that the table the assumption that curbside to go is suddenly going to be whisked away and so again you know to summarize they're only looking to have the street closure on [28:19] **Councilmember Folch:** the weekends from until Sunday and then this this consumption area as well would correspond with that so that just so that they can expand their footprint although they are going to be able to go have 50% capacity within their restaurants when you listen to surveys that are being done by the public 75 to 80 percent of the public is saying it that they're not going to go back into restaurants and so I think that whatever we can do to help support the outdoor seating because we know that it's safer it helps lessen the spread of coronavirus rather than pushing people indoors I think that that makes a lot of sense thank you [29:04] **Councilmember Lund:** thank you for the recap council member for I think the the what you described in what is in the requests are slightly right and at least how I how I see it but what we're supposed to do here today I think in my opinion is to I apologize but I'm outside so I'm following this but the car noises what we're supposed to do today is look at what the net net goal is here and see how we can get to that and so it may not be exactly as [29:53] **Councilmember Lund:** requested and I think I think that might be okay with the DBA and I think we have some of their representation on as well so we could hopefully get some input from them but you know my my assumption is the end goal is to be able to get as much back to precoded revenue as possible right so that means more seating and may not be this huge that's free free-flowing people with with liquor and ouka and beer and so forth but maybe it is expanding the footprint that they currently have outdoors and [30:40] **Councilmember Lund:** you know and that might be addressing the issue so hopefully we can look beyond just looking for hopeful anybody has any suggestions beyond what you know what what Dan had mentioned which was you know perhaps expanding those parklet areas that that seems to me to make a lot of sense if they're able to be expanded and still keep that connection to their to their storefront I think that removes any issues with liquor license issues also just as far as logistics are concerned at the heck of a lot easier to serve your your own customers when you don't have to go a block away or or whatever obviously and and then the road closure seems to be [31:43] **Councilmember Lund:** something that they're looking for just for the weekends and maybe that allows them to expand further for for weekend demand which is higher I don't know but they could become one in the same solution does anybody have any thoughts on that [32:35] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** yes your honor thank you I'm seeing it the same way that council member lund is that we've got two things here remember full just talked about and I think we got a down to one to try and simplify this we've purchased off sale [32:35] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** it's from the restaurants downtown for take-out in that you know that's one problem that we have that we're discussing here this morning so yeah I mean I know you can do that right now according to the governor's order the other problem is trying to figure out what to do with on sale of spirits that a person would purchase and and either stay within the part that the contiguous configuration of the establishment or do we allow them to go someplace else now I with the off sale [33:21] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** in terms of the liability my suggestion would be that the establishment indicate on the sales slip off sale if there's if there's spears purchase and the can is closed the bottle is not opened yet and so forth it's an off sale and then the patron you know in Betsey's of my case I take it home and we consume at home you know that becomes my problem not the the problem of the establishment if there's [34:08] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** designation on the part of the establishment that something is purchased off sale then it seems to me that it it eliminates any liability on their part if the patron goes and takes the food and the spirits over to the area underneath the bridge for example and starts to consume both the food and beverages or they go to Veterans Park or wherever parking lot something like that I can see myself being in favor of something like that but I think we've [34:54] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** got to designate on sale at off sale and where they can go with on sale and where is the liability with off sale thank you [35:41] **Councilmember Vaughan:** thank you I think you come so member bosonic and I look for assistance for council members to speak Rahner consumer Irvine yep thank you this question is for dam Flegal um if I'm looking at role playing out the scenario that everyone's talked about here if it's a Friday Saturday Sunday that they're asking what they close the walk off or a block and a half and because there's no driving traffic [35:41] **Councilmember Vaughan:** through there can they expand there in their patios that are currently out in the parking spot to take three more parking spots in front of it another story if that story agrees to it but we can't dress her into a so I don't know why a store would not he did this say you sure go ahead and use those all the three spots that expands their footprint it's not as you read last week about the fair atmosphere it keeps it all can in in one space per the restaurant and again there you have to work with there are their neighbors down there to solution but I'm just trying to say all right if we're gonna close it for a weekend and we're not gonna make it kind of go out into the street why don't we just expand it and then if the neighbors [36:27] **Councilmember Vaughan:** really are there done see him succeed why don't they just make their patio is bigger than they are now it is the set of three parking spots to get six and then it gives them more space to work with so I'm looking for a solution for the downtown I'm also worried about that if I want to stick with that continuous try to keep [36:27] **Dan Fleagle:** mayor in Council yes I would say that can happen I'm not gonna say it's not gonna be a nightmare for Public Works who has to deal with some of those barriers and I'm sorry Nick padula yeah I think the the concept of allowing the expansion you know larger on weekends smaller during the weekdays perhaps as it needed to be what could be done to allow either you know I think expansion even farther out into the street because we don't [37:13] **Dan Fleagle:** need as much of a travel area and then the sidewalks that go around the parklets that could happen the current sidewalk cafe ordinance does say you can't expand past the sides of your building but I think we could overcome that in some way so yes I think what you're proposing could happen might take a little emergency ordinance language to make it happen at the following council meeting but yes it would happen I think there's going to be some expense and time and effort put in to rearrange the configurations at the beginning and end of the weekends but that's obviously a fiscal thing not a legal thing yes [38:00] **Dan Wietecha:** if there was a change generally the answer is yes that as you saw when we did this before there's a requirement and said sidewalk cafe ordinance that that requires notice public hearing I believe it's a 10 day notice to get that accomplished so yes generally that would be required I could look at if there's any way that we could forego that notice but that's what we did last time when we allowed the expansion was to stick to the process give people an opportunity to object to it that's why the notice period is there in case somebody has a safety or other [38:46] **Dan Wietecha:** business concern one of the side neighbors or something like that that are not in favor of it but yes generally under the current ordinance it would require a notice period [39:34] **Councilmember Vaughan:** your honor Thank You councilmember vine I follow up and I am concerned about staff to to be doing this every weekend in if the weather doesn't look favorable I don't wanna be inconsistent and that's why they come back but we still closing a street when we do that for if it's up we have a process to go doing that for a street I think it's only fair to the people in the community to make sure that they all get notice of that and yes we can reach out some the Eastside people but I think the community needs to understand that the street closure is a it's just that [39:34] **Councilmember Vaughan:** easy just to shut it down every weekend from here to November no if we just do it one month and see how it goes kind of work pick the weekends at the art the car show does I think that's a better solution personally I think the the best way to do it is work with the DBA and say work with your neighbors make yours make your spot because thoughts make it six and you have to look with your neighbor um to see can are they okay with ticks in that spot on the first work places for them to serve I think that's the easiest and best solution for the community that we represent I'm really concerned about Public Works staff having to do this on the weekends because we got okay here we got a hundred and five miles of roads [40:19] **Councilmember Vaughan:** and residents and businesses to worry about not just a block and a half and I think that's important that we understand that we're gonna make sure that we have to we do this we got to be careful because we might get that request coming some part of the other community saying I want you to do that here too so I can expand my footprint so that's moving concerns thank you [41:07] **Councilmember Folch:** Thank You councilmember bond there's councilmember Folch your honor councilmember bonds point I think that that's a good one what are the impacts to staff and so what they're requesting is for the barriers just to be dropped off early on morning and and put up and then the DBA would bring them to the side to get them out of the way [41:07] **Councilmember Folch:** on a Sunday evening so the staff doesn't have to do that you know perhaps the solution is just leaving the science down there and because it's only well it's the one black area I'm sorry I don't know how many signs that is in total but perhaps they can just leave the signs down there I know I don't know if they need those signs during the workweek for other purposes but they just leave the science down there maybe even the DBA I could just move them back on Friday morning so it's dead Public Works drops them perhaps it's just the ones they get dropped and then the business owners could move them back and forth so that limit the the impact to staff because I think that's how they do [41:54] **Councilmember Folch:** that they do the car show this stat the Public Works and perhaps them and then in the DBA removes them am i right correct okay thank you the other council dictator would like this be okay welcome [42:39] **Nick Eggers (Public Works Director):** yeah thank you a lot of thoughts being thrown around here and in I'm trying to process a bit as we go but originally came forward took a look at how this might work and how traffic could be facilitated around we are talking about something that's multiple days of impact [42:39] **Nick Eggers:** over the weekend and for that a way that I had gone about trying to draft something together in terms of a the closures set up would involve quite a bit more than the and done for the car shows we we have I think we talked about this before roughly four to forty five hundred vehicles per day that come in and through the second Street area it's an average I under normal times it could be higher on weekends I'm not sure that's that's fairly significant and when you do that when you have that sort [43:27] **Nick Eggers:** of volume that it's really best practice to implement more of an official detour type of arrangement to guide that traffic around so would what we're looking at is its advanced notification signs upstream and downstream of the impacted area some trailblazing to lead them on the path around the area and that's the that sort of implementation is something that you need signage and devices from a third party better Public Works does not have all of that sort of equipment and so I think there's quite a bit more to it than then what what may [44:15] **Nick Eggers:** have been suggested earlier and it's the rough guess of what the staff time would be just for a simple detour turning it on and off I to people taking about an hour of time at the beginning of at the end of that that weekend time period my preference would be that the activity that they would perform would be done on weekdays versus calling them in on a Sunday evening to pull it down that's a call-out and overtime thing for us to comment on the the expansion of the parklets or the seating areas it it may sound simple [45:03] **Nick Eggers:** we've got to keep in mind that we still have to accommodate pedestrian rerouting around these areas you see down there right now with the pylons and the ramps and such they are not easy to just pick up and move there adhere down to the pavement surface the ramps are I think a couple hundred pounds of Steel and so dragging that back and forth or pulling up the pylons to create a different perimeter or to make way for expanded seating that that goes across with those boundaries have laid out I really have no idea at this point time what kind of effort that would take I would just assume probably consult with our traffic [45:49] **Nick Eggers:** control vendor to see what kind of time they would expect to deal with that is once again those are those are items and devices that Public Works does not have or or or deal with we had that brought in special and so not gonna have the answers today on what sort of time investment their additional cost this might be I I know the the basic core that we're talking about to have that equipment on site throughout the summer is probably on the order of six or seven thousand dollars based on some rough numbers but adjusting individual Park parklet dining [46:37] **Nick Eggers:** areas weekend and way to God is something I'm not gonna be able to produce the figure on here no I just thought I'd better suggest this or comment on this I'd be remiss if I didn't thank you [47:22] **Councilmember Lund:** thank you certainly that like there's some challenges for you know moving back and forth weekday to weekend for configuration there's got to be some sort of solution that is that doesn't fire so much so of the things that are [47:22] **Councilmember Lund:** difficult to do on one's own so if those those those ramps are are challenging to move then perhaps they are placed in a position that allows for the expansion and the the weekday foot footprint so you know as it stands right now it sounds like they would like they could probably use larger patio areas as it is right so during the weekday and maybe that's just as councilmember Vaughn had mentioned and I'm not I'm not going to say what number makes sense but six [48:09] **Councilmember Lund:** spots was mentioned just I think that's just doubling what the current one is so you know perhaps with is is there with weekend or weekday but how far into the street you're able to go is your weekend versus your weekday and then that that conserves the amount of moving of those significant are on the sides right Nick if I'm I'm understanding you correctly this is to get over curbs and so forth so that wouldn't change and then we would just need additional sensing to go out into the street and increase capacity [48:55] **Councilmember Lund:** way far as signage and detours and and whatnot is it possible to have these things placed and be not my per minute but you know be there for the season and then they just reflect the dates that they're in effect rather than having to go out and put him out and take him down and put him out and take take him down it's a know the answer - I'm looking at Nick for that [49:42] **Nick Eggers:** council member right I that's a good question I think he could very well list the dates of effectiveness how I think the response is how effective are they gonna be it yet resonating with the motorists and then through are they gonna read the dates versus just react - well there's there's something orange with an arrow there do I I think in general that would have a fairly limited impact versus just turning them sideways and and essentially having them not the traffic as though it would be under normal conditions okay thank you thank you [50:32] **Councilmember Folch:** thoughts member lon your honor result thank you in regards to what Nick had just said about moving things I did see what you're talking about those orange did he call them pylons I I don't know there it was for pedestrian traffic to let go around the bus tonight that's the right word delineators oh boy sticks I did see those and people were walking you know within them but um I don't think I received a text message from Tasha and she said that she wasn't looking - they weren't looking to expand or change the patio footprint on the [51:18] **Councilmember Folch:** weekend and so it wouldn't require moving any of that within the the block that would be shut down just to clarify that none of those ultra alterations that you were just suggesting about the moving of the ramps and things like that would have to take place during the weekend Thanks um I [52:09] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** will add you know just a bit I was I was down there - council member for a few times this weekend and my concern is Street stays open and at the time Tasha was the only one serving we're gonna add a Mexican spiral side my concern would be the traffic going through and the wot traffic I I would be more concerned to close that Street off high-ability reason I know it's more work and I and I just know that the DBA husbands and everyone will help to make this happen I mean I know it's always work on our public works then everybody is over stressed and overworked but I don't want to say it's a simple thing to do but I think it's a safety thing to do as well for the pedestrians that are walking around down there so I be in favor of closing this street off for the weekends but if we could think of a way to make [52:54] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** it the simplest as we're trying to do for all and and for our businesses I think communication is going to be the big thing it's no different than when the street or the cars shows were that the word got out a thus you know the streets are closed down there I think that's up to our us and our city communications whoever that is going to be and the business owners to throw that out there and say this is way it's gonna be now and communication is big East Side have only had one call from them and they're not going to be blocked off down there it's going to disrupt that very minimal traffic I'd [53:41] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** love to see this happen for everybody and but also I do have safety concerns with traffic on that block so and and like i said i think the DBA will help in any way they can to move things back and forth and we can all work together to to do this [54:31] **Councilmember Lund:** your honor fun thank you maybe somebody can help me out here i numbers item number four on our memo and it seems like they are asking for on the weekend and so I'm I'm not quite sure based on what consummate results just that it's that I'm starting to get confused of what the request is now but what's the function of blocking up the little road if if they're not going to change the footprint of the patio is that they use on the weekdays tonight [55:19] **Councilmember Folch:** councilmember folks thank you your honor so what they're looking to do is just close off that black to allow for save social distancing because that's when they're hoping to get you know I mean obviously people go out to eat on the weekends right and so by closing down the block it creates a safety test in areas near Fassbender had suggested for [55:19] **Councilmember Folch:** just the safety of walking about but then also social distancing so people feel more comfortable being in that and then to allow the troops I'd you know to go to go some people go over to the under the Plaza area well they eat because it would be kind of one can you know again I hate to use that word contiguous but the area would be one safe zone to move freely about and then people who can't actually get a place to sit because there's limited seating then they could go to these picnic table areas and and eat their food and still stay in the downtown area so they don't have to go home alright to eat and so that they can also visit the retail [56:04] **Councilmember Folch:** shops since I think that's what their hope is does that help councilmember lund [56:50] **Councilmember Lund:** I'm that's that's that's fine that's a good explanation it just seems like if I read number four it says they want their patio areas to be expanded on the weekend so me sounds like the current patio areas that they have will get bigger not necessarily that there's social distancing space so it's previous comment about allowing them to push their you know expand their footprint outward into the street when it's closed and not necessarily impact the width of it or whatnot seems seems to contradict that now if you're saying that they don't actually want larger patio spaces they just want a larger area to have will be able to walk a spender I thought [57:35] **Councilmember Folch:** so member full thank you I would suggest since there are representatives from the DB and call to ask for them specifically to give what their intentions are if you'd like to ask a direct question to them in regards to that [57:35] **John Hinzman:** sure John can you help me out is the president Tasha on yeah I've got time let's eat ah she just raised her hand so I'll bring Tosh in eating if that's okay mayor that'd be great thank you come Tasha actually I think you're muted I'm not sure if you can hear us or not oh sorry and on all the computer just did something welcome [58:21] **Tasha Nelson (DBA President):** hi so I just wanted to reiterate what we're looking for because I probably have one of the smaller spaces on the block and for us you know people just tend to come in and and people just aware of what they need to be doing because there's so many [58:21] **Tasha Nelson:** rules now so for for us it would be nice to have an area to kind of have people wait outside and still social distance that that for me is huge because you know I'm already trying to control a small space inside and outside I have a space for them to wait outside I think it would be helpful for me and people would feel more comfortable coming as well pretty much what Tina said kind of hit the nail on the head as far as what we're looking for I mean if people can have a space to wait outside otherwise they congregate on the sidewalk and for how these stores waiting to come in and [59:08] **Tasha Nelson:** waiting Owen and I just would like to be able to have a space to spread it out especially on the weekends you know obviously they're busier and people just want to get out right now but you know and I have signs up everywhere but they still just I would just like to have a little bit more space to be able to send people and I think all restaurants would you know don't home because our spaces are not that huge [59:54] **Councilmember Lisa Leifeld:** your honor Tasha I think I'm hearing councilmember Liefeld's voice thank your honor so I do have a question for Tasha with the DBA back to councilmember lunge number four is where I'm kind of getting as well in regards to think what I just heard Tasha saying please Tasha correct me if I'm wrong here you are looking to expand your seating area as well on weekends is that what I just heard you say [59:54] **Tasha Nelson:** where we for me I am just looking for a place for people to stand and wait or if they want to stand outside and just hang out and it's a safety thing to more than anything like Mary said I mean I was down there this obviously this is our first weekend and it's and it's just very challenging because the traffic don't is it really is crazy I cannot believe all that's people drive through there and nowhere to send people because we don't have that much space you know and I have enough room and obviously I'm tackling now going inside so it's if I can send them outside and say can you just go stand outside and social distance it will be much safer and better for everyone downtown [1:01:26] **Councilmember Lisa Leifeld:** oh thanks for the clarification because the wording and number four is like you know it's different than what we're hearing you say which is good back to Mayor Mary's point in regards to I could get on board for closing that section of Street for pedestrian safety absolutely [1:01:26] **Councilmember Lisa Leifeld:** and to give people a bigger area to congregate but to spread out but that wouldn't include drinking or using patio space it would just be if I'm hearing everyone correctly the the patio spaces the street spaces would stay the same you can only drink inside that yeah but where the rest of the area is open people can safely walk around they can safely get to other businesses they can safely cross the street so how we go forward with moving this forward but the wording number four is that I guess not what we're looking at at all so I would be definitely up for this idea if someone can figure out we're just trying to compromise and right throughout what's best [1:02:12] **Tasha Nelson:** yes that was to ask if people wanted to come in to say el Mexican they don't have their patio set up I'm not sure when they're going to have their patio set up if they needed to sit outside and wait to get in with a drink would it be okay if it wasn't fenced in so yes that was our request at this point with and I understand all all the legal stuff I understand all of that obviously I own a bar and and I get all of it but I also think that we are very willing to work with what needs to get done to make sure [1:02:59] **Tasha Nelson:** that safety place here because it makes me very nervous it does because we have all this all these restaurants on the same block for the most part or a majority of them it gives me anxiety it really does because I just feel like people need a place to go or I need a place to put them to stand waiting to get in somewhere and I don't want them blocking other businesses doorways either you know them to be able to stand somewhere else if needed you can all manage our businesses safely [1:03:44] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** consumer bosonic yeah thank you if I could ask Tasha the question and I hope it doesn't sound like a snit picking Tasha hi good to be talking with you again looking forward to one of those great hamburgers with the Frankie condo sorry and everything you know sorry okay the quick question Tasha is if people I'm assuming people are waiting in a designated area for an order to go is that right yeah [1:03:44] **Tasha Nelson:** yes yes or if we're waiting to seat them you know we have all things going on and the biggest thing I noticed last Wednesday when I we finally had a sunny [1:04:32] **Tasha Nelson:** day to see people it was it I looked down the block and I I didn't even know what to do I was just like I don't even love everybody to spread out and people you know people get it but in the same breath they're still standing in a line and gathering you need to come in to get food or waiting to you know they don't know I mean I have a sign at my front gate now which I had stating that you know please go in to see the bartender right you know but a lot of people just stood there because they didn't people don't follow directions let's [1:05:20] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** is there one more quick question is there a chance that these people waiting in the queue would have an alcoholic beverage could they order from the bar and then go out and stand there [1:05:20] **Tasha Nelson:** well that was our hope yes that was our hope and having this area just so that they could stand with a drink drink while they wait be able to social distance right and then come in when they could right we're not looking to have a party we're not looking to have any of that we are just looking to spread people out and have more space to do that because there are so many restaurants on our block it's like any restaurant you walk in and they're saying you're gonna have to wait 20 minutes and it kind of stands around one area yeah okay I don't think any of us want I mean I think we're all wanting to everybody just wants to be out right now but we need to be able to control it [1:06:06] **Tasha Nelson:** and if we don't have enough space to do that it makes all of us nervous as business owners right okay yes you're welcome yeah thanks thank you your honor thank you [1:06:52] **Councilmember Lund:** I'm looking for council member lund yes so if we were to go with the road closure for the weekend Friday Friday Saturday Sunday and plays seating underneath the bridge picnic tables or whatever those picnic tables at this point would not be able to have liquor to alcohol consumed at them but yet it would be a place to be able to eat be [1:06:52] **Councilmember Lund:** able to wait and so forth as well with seats not everybody is necessarily going to want to stand around either probably but it sounds like that would be a good starting point to get a get a closer to what these restaurants and bars are looking for and as we know things are constantly changing right I mean we see in the capacity in doors change since we've had this conversation it's probably things you're going to change again you know probably in another few weeks we don't know so maybe just giving something going sooner than later and if we need to revisit it revisit it but I would [1:07:37] **Councilmember Lund:** suggest that a motion that we close the second street that that's a specified area that's in a in the memo on Fridays and Saturdays and Sundays place seating underneath the bridge without alcohol consumption outside of the the restaurant and bar patio areas oh [1:07:37] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** I'll second that your honor [1:08:25] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** motion by councilmember land in a second by councilmember Bow Sonic then I have a question on the council discussion thank you your honor [1:08:25] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** we're talking about Friday through Sunday can can we get a designated time or we talking noon Friday to 10 o'clock on Sunday what are we talking about here we need to be specific otherwise we're kind of you know fast and loose with all right [1:08:25] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** Thank You councilmember bosonic Tasha are you still on can you clarify [1:08:25] **Tasha Nelson:** I am yes as far as parking downtown I mean just just as when I put barricades up and signs up for car shows it's its easiest to get down there early in the morning we spoke to a few people on the block that don't have restaurants [1:09:11] **Tasha Nelson:** and they were they were fine with this Laurie from 5th Ave and Alisa from creative hair because because getting cars moved are it's challenging so for me it's best to do it early in the morning and and like I said I spoke to some other business owners that are willing to help move barricades as well I mean I know they're not white but yeah can you give a specific time for Friday I mean I guess I would say 7 a.m. place you'd have to put signs up probably to do it later like 10 a.m. or something so put signs up at 7:00 and closure at 7:00 or put signs up at 7 stating a different time of closure so I would say just do the closure at the same time okay so that that does concern me a little bit just for simple purposes of workers going to work or whatever we can do later to I think we were just thinking that that's easiest because of the cars that parts down and some sit there for a while under and I get that [1:10:48] **Councilmember Lund:** councilmember lon sorry I'm I'd like to if it's if it's all right with you I'd like to hear what Nick Eggers would have to recommend on that since he'd be directing that see what his thoughts are on the proper process sure [1:11:34] **Nick Eggers:** thank you thanks mayor council member I I would tend to agree that an early morning implementation is best because if we get into anything that's out of the hours of 6:00 a.m. - you know ap I'm gonna think it is we have some parking going on on the street and then we're having to post as well and saying you know you got a fake heat by x time whereas if if we have it starting out before there's any parking activity occurring in downtown because they haven't been allowed to park overnight then we don't have that problem to solve in addition to putting all the stuff on it so so I tend to like that early morning beginning of the implementation and then I would in turn well I have a moment here I would say the same goes for removing the detour in the early morning of Monday again I you know looking at having staff involved with this and I think that's where the duty of putting these things up and taking them down should stay as bitty staff or our vendor that's helping with traffic control um that that should occur outside of you know weekend hours where we're not special okay thank you [1:12:20] **Councilmember Lisa Leifeld:** remember life oh thank you yeah so reading the location your concern mayor regarding traffic wanting to work this the access the 61 bridge access there on the side of fire side that section of road will be will remain an open so people can travel under the bridge to go up thank you and then my other point I just wanted to make just because we've heard from people about you know he'd even said it ourselves what about the rest of the town I just want to throw it the the idea or the understanding that the second street is unique in regard - there are no parking lots you know with everybody I believe I've been trying to wrap my brain around town to think who wouldn't have the ability to expand themselves you know every other business I can I can think of can expand themselves into private parking lots correct the exception of say the cub I know even the Midtown area that's you know private so I would like to let people know that with your you know concern and wanting to make sure we're helping the entire community this one this section of the community poses a different issue for us because of the fact that no parking lot there is no space for them to go out so I mean when it might seem like we're mulling this over and over and over wanting to make sure that we're making the best decision for the residents of you know the east side of downtown there as well as the businesses and as well as all the people who are going to come downtown to shop and to eat and back to your point that we need to make sure they're safe and I'm on board with this completely for the fact that the safety I drove through there a couple times as well and was like oh my gosh there's people right here on the side of my yeah so it was it's fun because I knew them but I was concerned about that so I'm happy to that we're having this conversation but do want people to understand why we're so you know centered on talking about 2nd Street and and it just poses a problem unlike the rest of the tongue does in regards to expansion so thank your honor [1:15:30] **Councilmember Lund:** Thank You councilmember by folk any other discussion your honor honor councilmember London hearing your voice thank you very much dad - - just a quick question we haven't talked about residents that that are in the area we did talk about people trying to get to and from work but specifically people that may live directly above these uses of businesses is there there is no there is no overnight parking on 2nd Street correct so there's people that live in those apartments aren't going to be adversely affected by their parking arrangements if I'm if I'm correct anybody answer to that I think that's understood there is no overnight parking on 2nd Street but it does happen looking to clarify that there's no arrangements with any of the apartments that they can use any of the stalls for their own their own parking I think Nick could you answer that in just a code that with overnight parking being prohibited I would think the effect [1:16:15] **Nick Eggers:** would be pretty minimal anyone who is living in those tenant spaces and has a vehicle is kind of expected to be in either some space off the back alley that they might have allocated to them or one of the Lots that has a 72-hour maximum on it [1:17:01] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** ok thank you Nick - oh you know I'd make a suggestion this is what we do for gobble Gate I actually put a notification in all the apartments upstairs and it just says you know this street will be closed bla bla bla bla bla bla it might be just a kind gesture to do that for the apartments upstairs just so that they're aware because we don't want to get this blast of comments from apartments tenants upstairs saying oh my gosh what's going you know so or just try to make everyone aware or the building sellers if they know there's apartments upstairs they can talk to their people just that's what I'm talking about the communication get it going and and and just make sure that everybody knows what's going on yes I used to do this for the street dance so no problem perfect what's that [1:17:48] **Councilmember Vaughan:** councilmember bond is okay I could just need a few clarifying points here for a long as a motion to close could you identify what where the I mean I'm kind of speaking on behalf of staff here what are the streets where do we see the barriers being yeah we that's the first point the second point is we we heard the pedestrians but we I do see other Park let's down the street then we're not are we gonna close it off for those pedestrians also or is it due just to the bar and restaurants of this one block or black and a half going towards the onion no Legion and then the third one is one thing that I never hear and I just like I would help me vote for this is a downtown business association we never get a DBA voted and it passed 24 to 14 or whether we just get we want but I just want to make sure that all the DBA if it's a business owner or the person that owns a building that rents to someone make sure that they have a voice on this so we don't get the call saying I can't believe you shut that down and I'm still worried about the residents through the community driving around it but these are all the concerns I don't think that we need the clarification where the streets will be shut down and I want clarification from the DBA that they did talk to everyone that is going to be affected down there because otherwise I feel like going back to my analogy of the homeowners association we may be in the middle of it by allowing it and is it gonna be all the way till November 1st or be til August 1st or whatever we can allow it to say let's take that away now you just put in flexibility in there questions in there but I think we just the first one would be what are we gonna block down yeah that would be your motion councilmember len [1:20:06] **Councilmember Lund:** yep your honor my my thought when and thank you for asking the clarifying points because I I guess I didn't call that out specifically my understanding is that it would be from where fireside and lock and dam being our on 2nd Street up to Sibley Street and then back to the American Legion Sibley street so that l-shaped area just to clarify [1:20:52] **Councilmember Vaughan:** your honor customer language ooh well we block off the city parking lot then if someone comes in the parking lot will they be able to do up so-called u-turn or they back out of that unlock this block down well there's there's two two entrance and exit points right so I would assume that they would just use the the one over by the rims the restroom and so forth street and they could take that whole u-turn to get there or the sorry sorry all that staff good I guess I seen them some people where it was but I'll I'll put trust that we're gonna get the right thing for staff they're all businesses are thank you [1:21:39] **Tasha Nelson:** so can I speak for the last ask we actually took the block of the onion off to to solve any detours or any issues that was that were we were gonna cause so we only have black one which I've always called black one which is from the fireside lock and dam until level up State Farm so just simply Street nice very second just to Sibley [1:21:39] **John Hinzman:** that's to Sibley correct but not including Sibley correct do we change it is it what we did John on the last letter yeah that's correct the request that the DBA has is just second Street between I guess it'd be the entrance ramp or fire side is all the way to Sibley Street Sibley Street would be open and the entrance ramps on 261 with youll correct Thank You mayor [1:22:25] **Nick Eggers:** Nick is that your voice good eye I do have a graphic draft at all I'll say again it is a draft I can share the screen I've not accounted here for the the fact that the DBA is no longer requesting the Sibley street part of closure but it might help to illustrate this a bit so if you'd allow me to share my screen I can do that great Thank You Nick I might need John or Dan to allow me to share it here it says yeah I think I just made you co-host Nick so you should be you should see it okay Dan had to step out yeah bear with me I'm on two different computers here though I don't know if it'll be I'm sorry I'm gonna log out of that one and log back in there John I'm still getting a message that says I can't share this screen so ok do that or if you want to email it to me yeah I'll do that [1:23:19] **Councilmember Vaughan:** remember bond I saw your head pop up do you want to okay I think I've got it right here actually I don't even see the staff knows what they're talking yeah well yeah I've got an older copy that showed both both of them shut down it was there an updated one Nick no that's probably let me put this one up here then hold on do that yep that's the one yes so this one a bit done presumption that this would get considered or enacted so you'll see I've got a lot of [1:24:06] **Nick Eggers:** notes and arrows and whatnot on there but I think in general it does reflect what Tasha just mentioned there a moment ago where the first block would be closed and the detour would begin to send traffic that's inbound towards downtown up the ramp rode the third Street and over to Sibley and then back north towards second mr. Weston and through there and then that that that red hashed area that's shown on Sibley north the second would not be part of what is what I believe is being proposed here so hopefully that helps does that help console that's what I need your honor thank you thank you any other discussion consult [1:24:52] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** your honors councilmember ball sonic yep thank you okay so John what's the staff recommendation on this and attorney Dan it's a legal we should on this [1:24:52] **John Hinzman:** well council member I'll start and probably rely on others to help me out here what we're looking at specifically here is the street closure aspect of it and as we pointed out in our our staff report we were we're recommending denial of it with looking at some of the this patient's of doing it and closed every weekend effect on on other people around their effect on traffic in the area sure that people within the downtown that aren't restaurant owners that would be affected would be board above it granted that the DBA has amended the request that they have had to limit the area since we first made that initial recommendation on that I I think it's fair to say at least from my standpoint the hall is an easy big concern to me as far as open this up and the ability that I don't want to I don't want it to be misconstrued Nate and I think the discussion today I think people are clear about this that if this is closed off here this is not inclusive of liquor changes at this point and even if even if there was a liquor change that was that would be considered the ability for restaurants to serve in this area is questionable and quite limited so those would be my comments I known it from a practitioner standpoint he's would be the one that would be bearing the brunt with his staff to do this and pointed out some issues related to that I danfa legal from a legal standpoint I'm not sure you know what there else that would be on that one so I perhaps I'd yields either Nick or to Dan's legal if they'd have any further comment on this [1:27:17] **Dan Fleagle:** mayor and council to the extent that we're not changing the areas that can be served for on sale and we're not allowing an open container district as part of this I don't have a problem with it I agree there may be a potential risk abatement by keeping the cars out of there and busy times so I don't have a problem with that it's easy for me to say that when the hard work is going to come on public works but I don't have a problem with it as long as we're not changing the alcohol the alcohol changes are what gives me the heartburn [1:28:04] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** I have a question for Tasha in terms of the liability can you with your restaurants designate when alcohol is sold that it is off sale or on sale [1:28:04] **Tasha Nelson:** not that I'm aware of okay [1:28:04] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** can're saying you're not doing that or it can't be done are you asking me if I can specify if it's off sailor on sale right it's so if it's off sale I mean I don't I think that ends tomorrow doesn't it John [1:28:50] **John Hinzman:** well Akasha stay we had made inquiries into the League of Minnesota cities yesterday to get clarification on that some of the the information we received from the attorneys there is that it the off sale ability would end and it I've heard different things on that one so I am uncertain so I throw that out as a note of caution at the standpoint that that may be the case but Dan has also looked at this as well [1:28:50] **Dan Fleagle:** dan Fleagle I'm not sure if he has any more clarification on that but the waters are muddy at this point and it could potentially end I agree I'm sorry Dan go ahead I agree the league's current position is that it will end with the inside opening of the restaurants tomorrow that has not been clarified by the governor or the legislature so we're relying on an attorney pinyin there which could change and so I can't say definitively one way or another [1:28:50] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** okay then I'm just gonna say that that's a moot point or we're just going to follow whatever the directive is from the state in terms of on sale and off sale that that helps the business owners out thank you okay [1:31:27] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** councilmember life--all did you want to speak earlier any other council discussion the start of a conversation I'll know you want to speak so there is a motion on the table and there is a second so clerk flatten could you call the roll please (Vote taken: all yes). motion prevails thank you John you are you're yours continuing on [1:31:27] **John Hinzman:** guess that that was item I don't number four on the on the request there there are six items all together in the request that the DBA one relating to liquor the other one related to license fees one related to planter bum bolts are then - no smoking or vaping so those items remain from the original request from the DBA [1:31:27] **Councilmember Folch:** Your Honor this is constantly yes counts remember folks um Your Honor I'd like to take up I am number the item on the flower planters the request for the flower pant plant planters I guess what I'm been clear as what's the history about what's been going on and so I had to talk it through Latasha because it was a little choppy to me and so um I'm I guess I'm I'm gonna tell the group what I was told and just to clarify where we are with this and so you're referring to number five yeah the flower containers yep and so Tasha had informed me that the DBA had to withdraw the in-kind donation that they were going to make towards the flower planners which was twenty five hundred dollars and we have been budgeting the last couple of years the city to plant the flower the big the big pots that are in the corners and then also the hanging baskets and so it was never a requirement that the DBA give that twenty five hundred dollars it was just an in-kind contribution towards that amount you know a gesture of good faith and so considering everybody was shut down at the DBA and from the city that they weren't able to make that in-kind donation and so when the when the DBA came forward and had asked for tabletops to be placed on those planters it was only because they weren't going to be planted and they didn't want to see them on uses so that they could use it as extra curbside to go eating areas and then when the council said ok we'll do that but we don't you guys have to put the table tops on top of the flower pot that was more than they were able to give on considering that would take some you know engineering to figure out how to do that and such and so then so now this last request is coming forward because they don't have the ability to create tabletops for those planners and so they were asking for at least one of the large planners because there's groups of three at least one of them to be planted because they look terrible just sitting there empty as they are and then and then in our last council meeting there was a group that had come forward where they had taken up donations to do plant planners and and in the meantime what they did was they had purchased some smaller flower pots to go on the patios since there was no decision on what to do with the larger city-owned flower pots and so I just wanted to clarify that's where we're at and if Tasha is still on Im the line to verify that so that's why they're asking now for at least one of those pots to be planted so they're just not such an eyesore and nothing's being done with them [1:34:35] **Tasha Nelson:** correct I just I think we were just looking for one of them to be planted and try to make them look better I know that for the city it's very challenging to move them all but they are an eyesore just sitting empty - so we were just trying to basically come up with some sort of compromise on just planting at least one [1:35:25] **Councilmember Vaughan:** councilmember vine thank you to make it simple I think we've done this many every year gone through this on the Finance Committee put the placards there I think the city should plant them and maintain them even if we don't have the staff this year we can contract it out again mechanisms to take donations so people do want to donate it like we've done before we collect them city should plant all three of them we shouldn't move them we should maintain them and we'll move on to the next item on our agenda that's my motion [1:35:25] **Councilmember Folch:** I'll second [1:35:25] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** Thank You councillor member Vaughn and seconded by councilmember Folch any other discussion go ahead [1:36:10] **Dan Wietecha:** Dan WA teacher I just wanted a little bit of clarification here the amount budgeted for the flower planters plus the amount that might have come from the DBA was still not sufficient to cover the the quote we received for having it contracted out so we can certainly plant them but recognize we're running over budget and a part of that budget is the watering which is part of the bedroom [1:36:58] **Councilmember Lund:** your honor councilmember land has all of that twenty-five thousand dollars that was given through Hendra for for the parklets been used [1:36:58] **Dan Wietecha:** councilmember the majority of it has frankly I've been stretching a bit with the use of that money they were they were really deemed for parklets I've got standed that into the barricades the maintenance of the flowers I I don't know if I'm comfortable doing that as a staff decision at the standpoint but we we used most of that money [1:37:45] **Councilmember Lund:** I understand it maybe isn't a staff decision but maybe it's something that Hedrick could consider I don't know just a question sure I can't tell who's on sorrow as [1:37:45] **Councilmember Braucks:** councilmember Brock's welcome hi yeah I I've been a part of the conversations about these planters for several years and we do need to we need to take care of our own property I mean I just think leaving them empty they're ours we need to maintain them we need to plant them we need to water them we got to figure it out and we go around and around about this every year and I am this year is really wonky but we gotta take care of our own stuff and I don't think it's fair to just leave them sit there so I I agree with what Mark councilmember Vaughn said a hundred percent and if we're gonna do something different or we're gonna rearrange this in the future I don't think we have enough time to do that right now then that's a separate conversation in my opinion thank you [1:38:32] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** Anse remember sorry I'll go with councilmember bosonic yes question for the DBA folks would you be willing to make your donation again considering that we're going to plant these things is there enough money in your budget to do such a thing [1:38:32] **Tasha Nelson:** do you not think so I would have to have this discussion but we we haven't even asked for our DBA dues at this point because businesses a lot or just getting open so I would say no at this time okay thank you [1:39:18] **Councilmember Lund:** your honor for lunch thanks I just to be clear my suggestion or question regarding hedgerow is not that we don't go forward with this it's just if that was a way to shore up any gaps as dan had mentioned that we have in the budget but I'd like to just take a vote on this type of good sure question [1:40:05] **Councilmember Lisa Leifeld:** council member life salt thank you and I apologize I had to step away real quick did we discuss I don't know what happened with Suzie Matthews Dylan after the previous meeting is that been discussed while he had stepped away [1:40:05] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** no I know but those items they have already been planted that's already been done okay thank you your honor so it's me to this particular point help me out I'm I'm certain they have already done their planting correct [1:40:05] **Tasha Nelson:** correct today actually I don't remember what day it was and put them in all the park what's for us they're not in the big pots correct very good plant asleep because we did not get an answer from city yep [1:40:52] **Councilmember Lisa Leifeld:** does that clarify councilmember life out so hope so where where are the plants if they're not at the different businesses there in let's Lisa they're in the different parklets got you okay and that's because you because there was no response from the city on that correct that was their decision because she wanted to move quickly okay so [1:40:52] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** councilmember Vaughan made a motion councilmember beckoned it we've had our discussion clerk flatten would you call the roll please (Vote taken: all yes). okay thank you that that'll be great John you're next [1:41:56] **John Hinzman:** excellent explanation of any oh yeah well going down the list we've we've been kind of hopscotching around a little bit here what we've got left is ordnance we've got the curbside to go and the no smoking no vaping I believe [1:42:45] **Councilmember Folch:** sure counts remember folks the other item was number three waving of all citywide on sale dates for 2020 and that was Sydney wide it wasn't just for the downtown business association that was being asked I think that I'd like to make a motion to waive the 2020 license fees for all of the establishments that would be required by law to do so I I think they're it's very clear when you look at the data that that this first wave okay and so what I was saying is just that the first wave data shows that it's going to go through October and then so we could start to recover in November however as we all know the flu comes about that time and they're predicting that it could be the restaurants will be at limited capacity for the remainder of the year [1:43:33] **Councilmember Lisa Leifeld:** I'll second that motion [1:44:21] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** Your Honor I heard a double second so I have to ask for clarification it was councilmember Liefeld seconded discussion yes councilmember ball Sonic yes our previous vote on the licenses was if somebody correct me if I'm wrong but we were suspending the collection of licenses through the 15th of July and which time we would revisit another extension and I'd like to stick with that original motion and vote that was done in favor of that at least for now that gives us an 45 days to evaluate what's going on it's not out of any you know deference to the to the business owners it's just we need to see where the economy is going I would rather not commit through all the way to the end of the year we have a president who says we're coming out of this it's going to be better than ever and yet we've got scientists who are saying no it's gonna have a surge in September so let's stay with the original passing of the motion that was done I believe a couple of months ago now and review revisit the waiver of licenses on July 15 so I would vote against this [1:45:53] **Councilmember Folch:** member Folch member Folch putting politics aside and what the president does or doesn't say if you look at what the state of Minnesota's analysis has been through Minnesota Management and Budget it is very clear if you take the time to read the executive summary even and that information was provided by city administrator wheaty check as to what the analysis is for the state of Minnesota and the state of Minnesota is experiencing a huge dip through 2020 in a recovery best-case scenario seems to be that would be the second half of 2021 and there was a like a 20 percent confidence level or something like that I mean he could still even go south from there and so there's a lot of unknowns and but what was clear is that predictions are pretty dismal for the next 12 months from today and so and if you look at the projections of the spread of COBIT the bell curve shows that we here in Minnesota and this was pre all of the the riots and protests and all that jazz what we are going to experience was that we were gonna see a spike at the beginning of August and that and we went dovetail until the end of October early November and so looking at what we do know scientifically and economic models that state of Minnesota is producing shows very clearly that we are we're not going to see any kind of recovery anytime soon and most certainly we're not going to see any change in the economy in the next 45 days and since business the business owners do you need to plan you know accordingly and they're doing their best I think that it's a good faith to you at this point hate to well we already have a first in a second and just to take the vote and see it through thank you [1:47:27] **Councilmember Vaughan:** well other council discussion thank you your honor I'll make it quick I agree comfortable sonic I think we voted once on this I think we should wait till July 15th and I really like our Finance Committee to look at this when we meet coming up here we're spending a lot of money today this morning and we may not see actual dollars we're gonna see some staff costs that are getting diverted here and we're just voted we're we're over budget and some other items I just really think we need to play this point out if we waive fees we got to ask where is that money gonna come from what else are we gonna give up that is gonna replace these fees at that budget I think the Finance Committee can talk about it but I want some some data in front of us too that's gonna say this is the impact by us making this that's gonna cost the city of Hastings a request from the DBA for the entire community how are we gonna backfill those dollars we charge those fees for a reason and I think we got to realize where that money's going to come from so that's my concern I think joy 15th is a great time to revisit them thank you [1:49:01] **Councilmember Lund:** thank you thoughts my move on council member lund your honor I guess Mike I was just contemplating an alternative solution that you know maybe what we what we do is delay payments until you know later on and I have a specific date but you know September or something like that and then have a better idea at that point in time what you know whether the fees should be forgiven or not but it's not the motion on the table I guess so agree that we would revisit this in July it you know if we're able to make it work at that point in time then you know I think we need to do what's right for the entire city for the budget but also for these businesses so I guess I would support holding off as we originally agreed but in earnest looking at this and seeing if we can make it work [1:49:48] **Councilmember Lisa Leifeld:** Thank You councilmember Levin cub summer life oh thank you I would agree to that that we could revisit this I do have a question in regards because the way it's written referred to downtown we of course are referring to the entire city I do have a chin however and I don't know how we separate this so this might be able to get us more information when we revisit this in July that if this were to include liquor stores I'm not sure that they've been negatively impacted so if they have I don't know I'm not am you know economics you know I don't understand all that stuff that's not my area but I'd want to know that before we throw that on the table this is a an idea to help businesses that have been negatively impacted by this terrible virus so I think although I seconded it because we need to move it forward I would vote against this at this time so that we can get that as councilmember bond put you know get that data because I want to make sure that we're really helping the businesses that need it and this would maybe give us that opportunity thank your honor [1:51:20] **Councilmember Folch:** merit has been a this is constant to remember folks just to clarify it wasn't including the liquor stores it was only for the restaurants that required until liquor license fees and so it doesn't include I think we had three liquor stores and they won't be included in this it would just be the restaurants and like Spiral the brewery or on sale sales and we didn't say that we were I mean just to clarify here when we made that motion to hold off on payment until July 15th it wasn't that we were going to revisit it on July 15th it was just to kick the can down the road so that we could have this conversation again as to what it was we were gonna do with with these on sale liquor licenses to determine that at a later date and it's already June 1st and so this is noise what is it today's June 8th or June 9th and so it's not even 45 days down the road it's like 38 or something like that it's just a month away and so I'm sorry unless there's an act of God nothing is going to change in the next 30 days realistically and so I it just seems to me like it's just again delay and just to clarify that the I think it was 86 or 87 thousand dollars if all of the restaurants had this this fee waived and that would be distributed evenly amongst two fiscal years it was my understanding that half of it would be for this fiscal year and then the next would be for the future the next fix or the 2021 so I'm not exactly sure what the fiscal year is that's being impacted I just would have to ask staff as to clarify on that matter but um that's how I was understanding it and I could be wrong [1:52:50] **Councilmember Lisa Leifeld:** okay there's a motion yes council member life elf thank you your honor council member votes thank you for that clarification so this is again not my area but on sale liquor license fees only does not include the off sale any of the locations that changes everything for me thank you council member vote [1:53:39] **Councilmember Lund:** okay council member lens I'd like I'd actually like some clarification on the years that this it's a - this is a to me year-to-year coverage or was the councilmember Folch made it sound like there was two fiscal years [1:53:39] **Clerk Kelly Murtaugh/Staff:** Kirk flatten well 2020 it's a one-year impact the license process two years thank you clerk Faton does that help Trevor bring you it's all in 2020 and get two years of coverage is that correct via just about a 90 thousand dollar revenue loss for this year so why I guess why why the whole things and it's maybe we look at half is there a reason why two years of coverage is being being requested to be waived [1:54:27] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** Fassbender constant are yes clerk flatten your licenses run July 1st to June 30th liquor people that have on sale licenses pay half their fee in June and they may have their fee in December so the amount that's due for them on July 15th is only half of the 4400 it's $2,200 but all that revenue is incurred in is expected into the city and this year that helped yeah so Julie its it's a situation which they're pre paying the fees or a license that extends out for six months two years [1:56:05] **Councilmember Lund:** Your Honor I'd like to make an amendment to the motion on the floor hey I would like to amend the motion that it is the July payment that is being waived counsel so then I'll need a second time data man [1:56:05] **Councilmember Braucks:** I will second it via con remember Brock's [1:56:05] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** it so disgusting with that your honor Joe Bell said Sonic we're being redundant we're already I already have something on the books that says we're going to revisit this on the 15th of July I just don't see a taking a vote on this amendment or even the main motion in favor is germane we've already set our direction for us so I would vote against the amendment and against the main motion your honor [1:56:52] **Councilmember Braucks:** Thank You councilmember both sign and councilmember Brax and I understand what what you're saying councilmember ball Sonic and I respect that I think for me I calls a member of Folgers point about planning is important because I think the thing that people are struggling with especially restaurants is the uncertainty things are changing constantly and if they know in advance this isn't something they're going to have to worry about I think that just relieves some stress from our business owners who want to pay it I think council members one solution is a good one because it doesn't cut all the revenue for the year it's some of the revenue that we would have collected on July 15th making a decision so they can plan we can plan we can have further discussions about what the rest of the year looks like but it is important that if we can provide some certainty to our business owners that we can talk about it we're talking about it already and don't plan so they know they don't have to pay that on July 15 so I support this I support councilmember alums Amendment and the motion [1:57:38] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** your honor with that combination and respecting of what councilmember Brock's just said I now changed my mind I will vote for the event and I'll vote for the main motion [1:58:25] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** final discussion I know Oh attorney Dan you'd want to now call for a roll call vote then vote on the main motion as amended which would be the first half of the license fees being waived [1:58:25] **Dan Fleagle:** sure Thank You counsel or clerk flatten please call the roll (Vote taken: all yes). so the amendment has passed now can we have a roll call for the motion the motion as amended as amended (Vote taken: all yes). [1:59:26] **John Hinzman:** yes okay we're whittling down John see I think we're down to half with three down three to go I think is what I've cut on the scorecard here so curbside to go liquor and temporary no smoking no baby because what I have love on the DBA request [2:00:13] **Councilmember Braucks:** councilmember brats so I have a question about the curbside to go and this may be for someone who is an expert in their business I am NOT but it seems to me that as I've observed some of the businesses that are more fully going to open that they're whittling down are diminishing their curbside ago service so I'm wondering if this item is still germane if it's still applicable and we need to talk about it or is it not at all important given the fact that the situation has changed [2:01:00] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** Your Honor I'd like John to elaborate on what that item is before we're assured [2:01:00] **John Hinzman:** councilmember I can provide an explanation albeit I know this has been a little bit of a mystery to me on this point as well the way that I understand it is it would be designated areas in the downtown that people could consume food to go so people would go to a restaurant habit to go order and it would be designated places within the downtown area in which they could consume so I imagine this this is different or more expansive than than what is there presently which is the expanded seating under the bridge the ability to eat down at the riverfront I believe this is something more than that but I think the concept of that might be similar the question that that comes up in my mind on that is you know alcohol service obviously the way the ordinance reads right now with the to go orders you can't consume that downtown as we all know on the city streets within the park area along the river you can ride it it's not glass and it's beer and wine so that is what I understand the request I don't know if there's other clarification Natasha anyone else could make on that or anything I missed thank you John [2:02:32] **Councilmember Lisa Leifeld:** your honor council member life so thank you to piggyback off of councilmember Brock's comment on the curbside I'd also like to ask that same question of number one modifying the public property I feel as though we just discussed that thoroughly well discussing number four hurts to closure of the street I think we discussed at length that this would not include that people would not be able to drink outside of the designated parklets so I feel as though number one has also been thoroughly discussed within the agreement to number four if opinion on that from the staff [2:03:17] **John Hinzman:** woops councilmember yeah we've had some significant discussion on the alcohol portion of it so you know enemy looked to Dan Flegal for direction on this one as well we have the request before specifically on alcohol service and in in the quest to make a change the council is is not obligated to take up that action if they wish to do something they obviously would need to make a motion in support of it and take action but if they choose not to through their discussion there's not any further action they would need to take is that correct in [2:04:04] **Dan Fleagle:** I think and and just to be clear the takeout orders of food can be consumed anywhere on the public streets in any areas we have added more tables and places for that to happen it would be if the council wanted to do something that would allow a designated open bottle area where the alcohol the off sale alcohol coming with the takeout orders could be consumed yeah [2:04:04] **Councilmember Lisa Leifeld:** come to remember like folks thank you then to clarify unless any of the other council members have any reason to not I would like to recommend that we go ahead with number six our final topic here in regards to no vaping and no smoking as again as I indicated I feel that number one and number two have been already answered in our previous conversations owes the street [2:04:04] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** I'll second that motion thank you consumer life out second by councilmember Sonic [2:04:50] **Councilmember Lisa Leifeld:** okay well just a recommendation for discussion I think just move to number six on the temporary no smoking signs John can you help with that a bit and I save a second on that your honor sure I'd like to make a motion that we approve the signage for no smoking and no vaping in the area in which we are closing on Fridays through Sundays [2:04:50] **Councilmember Lund:** councilmember Lou I felt and a second by councilmember London how about discussion on this [2:05:36] **John Hinzman:** just an Asian on the intent I'm sorry council member so with with this this would be the installation of signage the way that I see it right now so clarification I'm seeking is is this the ability to put signage up or is this the responsibility of the city to put that signage up and then I and maybe a question for Dan Fleagle on this one of the ability to do that I mean it might be a situation in which a private entity could put signage up there that would be cautionary to say hey no smoking no vaping but when we're looking at the legalities of potentially creating a a no smoking no vaping zone that that's a little more complex on there so there's one thing that the people could you in which did you put sign a job and I know people would have much issue with on that end of it well but I'm not sure if the intent is for us to get involved in it if we get involved in putting the signage up I'm not sure what sort of legal ramifications these may get [2:06:22] **Dan Fleagle:** city attorney dan can would agree with staff we've talked about we don't really have a problem if the individual licensees want to put up signs near their area saying please do not smoke smoking prohibited even I do have a real concern to to order no snow there has to be some teeth behind that probably come in the form of in coordinance so that someone could be charged with a crime if they violate it and also so the police department could could enforce that I also you know I don't know for sure if a city can prohibit smoking in these broad areas we certainly have experience with prohibiting in parks and other areas but generally those are backed by studies that support rationale behind the restriction so we've got that that public purpose behind it I would for simplicity I would be in favor of a motion that would say city's not going to object to the individual owners placing signs in areas and we're not gonna take those signs down or anything I think if there's an intent to try to have an enforceable most smoking area that can actually be enforced that they think I would recommend it it come back before the council when we could have some type of an ordinance put in place I don't know that this meets the definition of an emergency ordinance either I understand the intent and I certainly don't have an objection to the concept I think procedurally we have to look at this one a little differently because if we can't enforce it then they're just signs and if we're okay signs that's great [2:07:55] **Councilmember Lund:** but councilmember 1 thank you your honor yeah I I appreciate the explanation that's my understanding or the way I interpreted it was the ability to put the signs up and not be something that the city is going to be responsible for at this point time here's how I see it I see if individual businesses feel like that's the best practice for their business then they can put those signs up and if it becomes a significant problem then we can address that later on but let's let's see if they get what they want out of it just by being able to put the signs up I don't even know if it's a that serves something we had to vote on technically but maybe more of just a show of support for them to be able to do so that's where I've that's where my head is at obviously I didn't make the original motion so I'd have to look up to councilmember Liefeld for clarification but that's when I was that's what I was interpreting it as thank you [2:08:41] **Councilmember Lisa Leifeld:** myself to clarify yes I would my motion is to support the private installation of the non-smoking vaping Science affixed to their area indicating that we as a city will not be removing them or taking them down that we do support them there right or ability to hang those signs [2:09:35] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** Thank You councilmember lie felt is their second rule on discussion any other discussion do we even need a motion then if there's no change two words all we're saying as we work them we're just supporting invertible attorney dan on that it's necessary I don't know if there's harm either to have the motion I think it's discretionary I agree if there's no enforcement action there's probably not in need okay okay thank you so John is that does that help I think we've got direction okay [2:10:20] **John Hinzman:** that I'm interpreting it we've taken we've taken action a number of items today I at this point based upon the discussion that I have heard I don't know if there's any other actions on the request that the DBA made to the city so I that that's my interpretation of where we're at with the meeting if others feel differently and we can have discussion or further motions that come up otherwise I do have one other small small action item to that I don't want to forget about as well before [2:11:07] **Councilmember Folch:** in regards to the curbside to go I agree that we're not going to take up the first item about the consumption but what they're still looking to do is just for the city to help promote the areas that the city has set up to allow people to eat curbside to go which is under you know in the plaza the plaza and then down by the river and so I think that's I mean that's my interpretation what they're looking for is just that the city is also helping to spread the word that these areas are available for people to take their food troops ID to go and sit down and eat and and it is allowable for people to actually go down by the river and also consume if they took a sale beverage to go and so I would so if it helps I think would be nice people use the plaza area but if it helps distant for clarity's sake just to say that down by the river there's picnic table breaker excited to go I'm willing to do that but I just don't think that we should lose sight of that without having a local paper it's so hard to get the word out and so if the city is helping to push that just through social media such that those are areas that people can go I think that's helpful [2:12:39] **Councilmember Lisa Leifeld:** I think it comes from reflection yeah I'm changing oh can're remember life oh thank you your honor completely agree that what we can do to push the idea out and remember to and I'm absolutely certain that these businesses are doing it remind people of that call in their orders when they stop and pick up their orders remind them it's still amazed at the number of people who haven't gone down to the Riverside and checked out that beautiful area so this is a perfect time to provide it it's not raining to remind people do you know what take your food you know down to the river there's some beautiful spots so agree that this is probably something that a lot of conversation but we strongly support it and I do know with talking to Pat Regan that the public patio at the confluence will soon to be open so there will be another nice area for viewing and eating [2:13:28] **Dan Fleagle:** John has been yes real quick just point of clarification for everybody containers are not allowed in the city parks so two goes great if it's a can work plastic but but not a glass bottle please yep we'll try to emphasize that thank you hands when you had one other thing I [2:13:28] **John Hinzman:** did I had a quick item here which was the expansion of a liquor license for Applebee's so they could do convert a fourth to their parking lot into outdoor dining it's a similar to request we had at the last council meeting [2:13:28] **Councilmember Joe Balsanek:** okay make a motion to approve that your honor [2:13:28] **Councilmember Braucks:** say thank you Joe and second it was at councilmember Brock's yes okay thank you discussion on that council seeing none clerk flatten please call the roll he's gone but he did chat that he was supported oh I think it was a previous item sorry (Vote taken: all yes). [2:14:53] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** looks like there was a voice vote there with with the six present that a six in favor of the motion is that it correct me or did I get that yes okay motion prevails so that's all the items staff had for the special meeting this morning [2:15:40] **Councilmember Lisa Leifeld:** okay great into adjourn your honor Thank You councilmember life I like it [2:15:40] **Councilmember Braucks:** ii coupons remember Brax [2:15:40] **Mayor Mary Fasbender:** discussion seeing none clerk flattened please call the roll (Vote taken: all yes). under breath yes yes everybody have a great day of councilmember Brock's have a good vacation