>>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL PLEASE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE. >>LUIS VIERA: HERE. >>BILL CARLSON: HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE. >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL FOR LUM QUORUM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE WILL BECAUSE FOR A MINUTE AND MOVE ON TO 53. IN-PERSON STAFF REPORT. OCEA. IS OCEA ONLINE? OKAY. IS STAFF ONLINE FOR 53? NO COAT THURSDAY. >>LUIS VIERA: HE BEEN OUTSIDE. I NEVER NOT WORN A TIE TO CITY COUNCIL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I JUST DROPPED MY COAT IN THE OFFICE BECAUSE IT WAS HOT OUT HERE. CLENDENIN GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE FOR ANYONE ON ITEM 53. OKAY, WHO IS AVAILABLE? >>LYNN HURTAK: LET'S DO 54. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOW ABOUT 54. GOING ONCE. GOING TWICE. 54. WE HAVE A BIDDER. >> GOOFED AFTERNOON, MA MALI LAGASSE, REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT. I'M HERE FOR A PRESENTATION OF A HONORING STREET NAMING OF GEORGE LEV AND. AND LEONARD 11. IF YOU CAN PULL UP THE PRESENTATION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT'S UP. >> I DON'T HAVE IT ON MY SCREEN CLENDENIN SHOULD BE A CLICKER THERE SOMEWHERE. >> IT IS ALL BLACK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SOMEBODY FROM CCTV COME AND PROVIDE SOME ASSISTANCE? ARE YOU ABLE TO SEE IT ON THE OVERHEAD ABOVE YOU? >> I CAN, BUT I CAN'T ADVANCE ANYTHING. I THINK IT IS REBOOTING. THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. LEONARD LEVY AND GEORGE LEVY WERE TAMPA NATIVES AND TWINS THAT DEDICATED THEIR LIVES OF BUILDING A STRONGER AND MORE DYNAMIC TAMPA THEIR BELIEF IN ITS POTENTIAL SHAPED THE CITY FOR A RECOGNIZED DESTINATION IN THE WORLD OF SPORTS AND CIVIC PRIDE. EARLY 1970s FORGE AND LEONARD WERE PART OF A PIONEERING GROUP OF LEADERS THAT SAW WHAT TAMPA COULD COME. THEY WORKED TIRELESSLY TO BRING FOOTBALL TO THE REGION MEETING WITH COMMISSIONER ROSELL. AND VISION CAME A REALITY IN 1974 WHEN THE TEAM WAS AWARDED THE FIRST NFL FRANCHISE, THE TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS. TRANSFORMATIVE MOMENT OF TAMPA'S RISE AS PREMIERE SPORTS CITY. LEONARD LEVY WAS A GRADUATE OF PLANT HIGH SCHOOL AND EARNED A JOURNALIST DEGREE FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA. HE PROUDLY SERVED AS A CAPTAIN IN THE U.S. MARINES BEFORE BUILDING A SUCCESSFUL CAREER AT HILLSBOROUGH PRINTING COMPANY. HIS TRUE PRESENCE WITH TAMPA ON THE NATIONAL STAGE. BEYOND HELPING TO IS HE YOUR THE NFL FRANCHISE. AND WAS CO-CHAIR FOR SUPER BOWL 25 IN 1919 AND ULTIMATELY HIS INFLUENCE OF TAMPA HOSTING ADDITIONAL SUPER BOWLS IN 2001, 2009 AND 2021. HIS LEADERSHIP WAS INSTRUMENTAL OF PUTTING TAMPA IN THE GLOBAL SPOTLIGHT OF A SPORTS ORGANIZATION. LEONARD SERVED ON SEVERAL ORGANIZATIONS INCLUDING THE TAMPA BAY SPORTS FOUNDATION, GREATER TAMPA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, TAMPA GENERAL HOSPITAL FOUNDATION, THE OUTBACK BOWL AND YE MYSTIC KREWE OF GASPARILLA. AMONG HIS MANY HONORS, LEONARD RECEIVED THE KEY TO THE CITY OF TAMPA, THE UNIVERSITY OF DISTINGUISHED AID LUMINOUS AWARD AND INDUCTED IN THE USF AND TAMPA SPORTS HALL OF FAME. CITY OF TAMPA PROCLAIMED IN 2021 LEONARD LEVY WAY THAT SHAPED THE CITY'S MODERN IDENTITY. MR. 11 PASSED AWAY IN 2022 AT THE AGE OF 89. BROTHER GEORGE LEVY GRADUATED FROM PLANT SETTLE AND THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA. AND SERVED IN THE ARMY BEFORE FOUNDING THE GEORGE A. LEVY AWARDS. HE SERVED AS CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES AT HILLSBOROUGH COMMUNITY COLLEGE AND WAS APPOINTED TO THE 13th JUDICIAL NOMINATING COMMITTEE. HE WAS A SHORTER MEMBER AND PRESIDENT OF THE TESTIMONY SPORTS CLUB AND SERVED THE TAMPA SPORTS AUTHORITY, HEALTH BOWL AND THE SUNSHINE STATE GAMES. HIS EFFORTS EXTENDED BEYOND SPORTS WITH EDUCATION, YOUTH AND SPECIAL NEEDS CAUSES. HE WAS A LIFETIME MEMBER OF THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB OF TAMPA BAY, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE GOLD SHIELD FOUNDATION, AND SUPPORTER OF THE JAY CLIFFORD MacDONALD CENTER. HIS LEGACY INCLUDE FOUNDING THE SWIMMING ASSOCIATION WHERE HE ALSO COACHED YOUNG ATHLETES. RECOGNIZED FOR LEADERSHIP IN GENEROSITY GEORGE WAS NAMED TAMPA CITIZEN OF THE YEAR, SMALL BUSINESS PERSON OF THE YEAR AND RECEIVED NUMEROUS HONORS FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB AND LOCAL CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS. MR. LEVY PASSED AWAY IN 2016 AT THE AGE OF 83. TOGETHER, LEONARD AND GEORGE LEVY EMBODIED SPIRIT AND COMMUNITY BUILDING. INFLUENCE BROUGHT NATIONAL SPORTS, MAJOR EVENTS AND BROUGHT CIVIC INSTITUTIONS TO TAMPA. HELPED TRANSFORM TAMPA NOT ONLY BETTER PLACE TO LIVE BUT A CITY WITH GLOBAL REACH AND HOMETOWN PRIDE. YOU ARE OUR DUE DILIGENCE, THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDS THE INSTALLATION OF A HONORARY STREET NAMING SIGN AT NORTH HIMES AT WEST OHIO AVENUE. THIS LOCATION IS ADJACENT TO A HIGH-VOLUME PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALK THAT LEADS DIRECTLY INTO RAYMOND JAMES STADIUM. ENSURES THAT THE SIGN WILL BE SEEN BY COUNTLESS FANS, VISITORS AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY FOR MANY YEARS TO COME. IF COUNCIL CHOOSES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS HONORARY STREET NAMING, WE ASK A FIRST READING FOR SEPTEMBER 18 OR SOME TIME THEREAFTER. AND I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU. GREAT PRESENTATION. LEARNED THINGS ABOUT THE LEVY BROTHERS. AND ONLY WAS LEONARD LEVY -- I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS -- WHAT THE OCCASION WAS, BUT YOU WOULD HEAR ABOUT HIM GROWING UP. HOW INSTRUMENTAL THEY WERE. YOU SAID IT ALL. WITH THE BUCS, WITH SPORTS, WITH GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW. THEIR NAMES ARE WELL RECOGNIZED. AND I THINK THIS IS VERY FITTING BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NO LONGER WITH US, THEIR IMPACT IS STILL FELT. SO I AM HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION TO SET THIS FOR SEPTEMBER 18 FOR A FIRST READING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU. I BELIEVE THIS IS HAPPENING BECAUSE DC GOUTOFAS IS THE ONE THAT ASKED FOR IT. CAME TO MY OFFICE THROUGH MARY AND MAYBE IT WAS YOUR -- I DON'T KNOW. WE DID IT AND THE BEST WE COULD WITH YOUR HELP AND OTHER HELP. I HAVE KNOWN BOTH OF THE BROTHERS FOR MANY YEARS, THEY WERE NICE, NICE PEOPLE. AND THEY WERE QUITE ABLE TO GET UNDER YOUR SKIN. THEY HAD DO. WHAT YOU DID WAS 100% CORRECT. THEY WERE VERY NICE AND VERY CLOSE FRIENDS WITH MAYOR GRECO ALSO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT W WAS DC GOUTUFAS THAT SPOKE THIS MORNING. REACHED OUT TO ME AND OTHER MEMBERS. BUT HE HAS BEEN A DRIVING FORCE BEHIND THIS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. AND COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON? >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WANT TO ADD REAL FAST. I KNEW BOTH OF THEM. I KNEW SOME OF THE FAMILY MEMBERS. HE DIDN'T KNOW THEM AS WELL AS PROBABLY COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA DID. BUT IN THE '90s AND 2000s, THEY WERE HUGE LEADERS. AND THE GREAT THING ABOUT THEM IS THAT AS FAR AS I COULD TELL, THEY DIDN'T SEEK PUBLICITY. THEY DIDN'T SEEK RECOGNITION. BUT MOVES MOUNTAINS OF MAKING POSITIVE THINGS HAPPEN IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND I THINK IT IS GREAT TO RECOGNIZE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T REALLY ASK FOR RECOGNITION DURING THEIR HEYDAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. AYES HAVE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> JUST FOR THE LISTENING PUBLIC, WE WILL POST THIS ONLINE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT STARTING TOMORROW WHICH IS AUGUST 8 THROUGH MONDAY AUGUST 25. >> COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I WORKED ON THIS THROUGH LUNCH WITH CHIEF BENNETT, AND WE THINK WE HAVE COME TO A RESOLUTION FOR ITEM NUMBER 20. IF YOU WERE READY, WE CAN DISCUSS IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE WILL BRING ITEM 20 BACK TO THE TABLE. CHIEF BENNETT. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO LET ME SORT OF SET THE STAGE. WHAT HAPPENED IS, THE RFQ WAS VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT FIRE RESCUE AND -- I AM SORRY, ABOUT FIRE FLEET AND SUPPLY. IT DID NOT MENTION ANY OTHER ENTITY IN THE RFQ. WHERE LOWRY PARK CAME IN WAS THE SCOPE OF WORK. AND WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT WE CAN TAKE THAT PORTION OUT OF THE SCOPE OF WORK, BUT IN THE SAME BREATH WHAT I DIDN'T KNOW, BECAUSE IT HAVEN'T COME TO US YET, IS THAT THEY HAVE CREATED A SEPARATE SCOPE -- OR A SEPARATE REQUEST -- WORK ORDER, THANK YOU, FOR THE LOWRY PARK -- FOR WHAT IS AT LOWRY PARK AND TO LOOK AT A -- WHAT'S THERE AND WHERE IT CAN GO. SO THAT IS ALREADY HAPPENING. IT HAVEN'T COME TO US YET, BUT IT WILL. SO I WILL -- WITH THAT SAID, CORRECT ME ANYTHING I DIDN'T GET RIGHT. >>JOHN BENNETT: AGAIN, JOHN BENNETT, GOOD AFTERNOON, CHIEF OF STAFF. WITH ME IS -- WE HAVE DEN DENNIS ROGERO, CFO, RICHER MUTTERBACK OVER CAD AND THE CC&A PROCESS AND JUSTIN VASKE FROM LEGAL TO MAKE SURE WE ARE DOING THINGS APPROPRIATELY. TO GO BACK WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. I WANT TO RESET THE CHRONOLOGY. WHEN THE RFQ WAS SENT OUT, LOWRY WASN'T A THOUGHT. THAT KIND OF EMBEDDED LANGUAGE -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY BOILERPLATE BUT WASN'T LOWRY SPECIFICS AT ALL. LOWRY CAME UP WHEN WE LANDED THE PROPERTY AND THE WORK ORDER CAME IN TO SEE IF IT WILL FIT OR NOT FIT. THE SCOPE IS ACCURATE BY ITS VAGUENESS, BUT BECAUSE LOWRY CAME UP IN THE JOURNEY KNEE WHEN THE PROPERTY CAME IN. THE QUESTION WOULD BE TO DECONFLICT THOSE. BECAUSE THERE IS NO SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE TO THE RFQ PROCESS AND THE WORK ORDER -- SORRY, THE SCOPE OF WORK INCLUDES THAT LANGUAGE WHICH THEN BECAME NOW A WORK ORDER COMPLETELY SEPARATE AND APART TO SEE IF IT WILL FIT. WE ALREADY ARE CONFIDENT IT IS NOT JUST FOR THE RECORD. THAT THERE IS NOT A PROBLEM CHANGING IT. SO THE LEGAL PROCESS TO DO THAT. WE HAVE TWO OPTIONS. ONE THAT THE CAD CAN GO BACK AND STRIKE THAT LANGUAGE AND BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR THE END OF THE DAY, OR TWO, I AM TOLD THERE IS NO RISK TO BRING THIS BACK ON THE 28th WITH THE MODIFIED SCOPE. IT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE FROM THERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE NO PROBLEM IF YOU WANT TO BRING IT BACK BY THE END OF THE DAY, BUT I WANTED BOTH MR. MUTTERBACK AND -- AND CHIEF TRIPP IS HERE TOO, IF SHE HAS ANYTHING ELSE SHE WANTS TO SAY. BUT I -- JUST TO CLARIFY, WE KIND OF ALREADY HAVE SOME PRELIMINARY UNDERSTANDING THAT FLEET AND SUPPLY WILL FIT, BUT NOT ANYTHING ADDITIONAL. >>JOHN BENNETT: RIGHT, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SECOND PHASE OF WHEN -- REMEMBER THE INITIAL RFQ WAS LAND AGNOSTIC. IT WAS, WHAT THE ARE THE NEEDS ANALYSIS, ETC., TO DO THIS OPERATION. WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS PICKED UP LATER ON, WHEN THE CONCEPT, HEY, WE CAN FIT THIS AND A WORK ORDER TO SEE IF IT WILL GO COMPLETELY SEPARATE. WHAT YOU ARE VOTING ON TODAY NEVER INCLUDED LOWRY AS PART OF THAT AT ALL. BUT IF IT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE TO MAKE SURE THERE IS -- NO PUN INTENDED -- A FIREWALL IN THAT, THAT CAN BE EASILY DONE WITHOUT SUBSTANTIVELY CHANGING THE RFQ PROCESS. MODIFY THE SCOPE BY THE END OF THE DAY FOR A FORMAL VOTE AND DELAY IT TO THE 28th. THE SAME THING EITHER WAY. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANTED TO GIVE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTED TO HAVE -- >>JOHN BENNETT: THEY MAY WANT TO JUST VALIDATE WHAT I AM SAYING. >> RICHARD MUTTERBACK, CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION. JUST A LITTLE BIT TO ADD ON. WHEN THE RFQ WAS ORIGINALLY POSTED, PART OF THAT SCOPE -- IT WAS ANTICIPATED TO BE $200,000 TO $300,000. PART OF THAT SCOPE WAS ASSISTING WITH SITE INVESTIGATIONS OF VARIOUS PROPERTIES. THE SAME WEEK THAT WE SELECTED THIS FIRM TO CARRY OUT THIS ASSESSMENT IS WHEN THIS PROPERTY CAME ABOUT. AND THEN IT ALL KIND OF CHANGED A LITTLE BIT. AND THE WORK ORDER THAT BOTH YOU AND JOHN ARE REFERRING TO IS ALWAYS IN PLACE. THAT IS WHY THERE IS THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN WORK THROUGH WILDER, THE SAME FIRM WITH THE ASSESSMENT WHICH IS WHY THE $200,000 TO $300,000 ESTIMATE IS COMING IN AT $142,000 BECAUSE HE IS ABLE TO -- HE ALREADY HAS BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THAT SCOPE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE ORIGINAL RFQ. >>LYNN HURTAK: ANYTHING ELSE? CHIEF TRIPP WOULD YOU LIKE TO -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU WANT TO COME BACK LATER TODAY. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANTED TO GIVE MR. ROGERO A CHANCE TO SPEAK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I ASK A QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION. FROM WHAT I HEARD OF CHIEF BENNETT, IT DOESN'T MATTER. WE CAN PASS AND COME TO THE END OF THE DAY. >>LYNN HURTAK: HE IS SAYING AT THE END OF THE DAY HE IS COMING BACK -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE LANGUAGE DOESN'T MATTER. NO REAL RELEVANCE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THERE IS RELEVANCE. IT MATTERS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I THINK -- MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. WHAT I UNDERSTOOD IS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION RECOGNIZE AS THAT IT COULD COME OUT. AND THE TASK THAT WAS CONTEMPLATED IN THE SCOPE IS BEING HANDLED BY A WORK ORDER. THEREFORE, IT COULD COME OUT AND SHOULD COME OUT -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: STOP. STOP. LET ME EXPRESS MY OPINION WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED. WHAT HE JUST SAID IS THAT THE LANGUAGE IS NOT RELEVANT. TO WHAT IS IN HERE. WE CAN PASS IT RIGHT NOW AND IT HAS ZERO CONSEQUENCE ON THE OUTCOME. >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, SIR, IT DOES NOT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOW DOES IT HAVE CONSEQUENCE. MR. SHELBY, STOP. MR. BENNETT, WHAT I SAID, IS THAT ACCURATE, IF IT CAME OUT OR STAYED IN HAVE ANY CONSEQUENCE ON THE OUTCOME. >>JOHN BENNETT: I WILL ASK LEGAL TO TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE LANGUAGE IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I WAS EXPLAINED TO ME LAND AGNOSTIC NOTHING TO DO WITH LOWERY WHEN IT CAME OUT. MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT COULD BE, BUT WE ARE PARTNERING THROUGH THIS TO GET TO THE RECEIPT OUTCOME. BECAUSE THERE IS A SEPARATE WORK ORDER THAT WAS PROPERTY SPECIFIC INSTEAD OF AGNOSTIC, AGAIN, IT IS AN EXERCISE TO MAKE COUNCIL FEEL CONFIDENT ABOUT THE JOURNEY WE ARE ON. BECAUSE THE PRIORITY HAS ALWAYS BEEN FIRE FLEET AND FIRE WAREHOUSING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. >>JOHN BENNETT: I DEFER TO LEGAL TO MAKE SURE I AM ACCURATE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I MAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I THINK WE CAN RESOLVE THIS TODAY. IF NOT, GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO REDRAW THE CONTRACT WHILE WE ARE STILL HERE AND IF ANOTHER NOT DONE BY THE TIME WE FINISH, WE CAN ALWAYS PUT IT FOR NEXT WEEK OR WHATEVER IT IS NEXT WEEK AND GET DONE. WE HAVE TWO SHOTS AT THE APPLE. TODAY OR IN THE FUTURE, THE 20th. >>JUSTIN VASKE: JUSTIN VASKE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT. TWO SCOPES, ONE IN THE WORK ORDER AND ONE IN THE CONTRACT. THEY ARE SIMILAR IF NOT IDENTICAL. CLEANEST ROUTE IS TO CLEAN UP THE AGREEMENT IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO PERFORM THAT TASK UNDER THAT AGREEMENT. CLEAN IT UP. THE QUESTION IS, WHEN DO WE DO IT? UP TO CITY COUNCIL'S PLEASURE AT THAT POINT. WE CAN DO THE SCOPE THIS AFTERNOON AND RUN IT BACK HERE OR DO IT FOR THE 28th AND HAVE IT CLEANED UP THAT WAY. IT IS YOUR PLEASURE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. COUPLE OF THINGS. IT IS ON. YES. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THIS -- OF THIS FACILITY. AND, YOU KNOW, WE ARE HERE FOR -- BETWEEN ANOTHER YEAR AND A HALF OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE AND WE WANT TO MAKE THAT THE AGAIN SES IS CORRECT. AS AN ATTORNEY, I HAD A MEDIATION TWO DAYS AGO WE SETTLED EIGHT CASES AND I WAS JOKING WITH ANOTHER LAWYER. I SAID IF THERE IS A 2% CHANCE OF SOMETHING HAPPENING AND YOU SPEND 100% OF THE NEXT HOURS. IS IT LIKELY TO HAPPEN, NO. BUT GOOD TO BE SAFE. WHETHER WE DO IT TODAY OR IN TWO WEEKS, SO LONG AS WE ADDRESS THAT. ME -- I THINK IT IS JUST ME. I THINK IT IS PROBABLY BETTER TO WAIT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE LANGUAGE RIGHT. AND I WOULD OBVIOUSLY DEFER IF COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WANTS TO MEET WITH STAFF ON THE LANGUAGE AND EVERYTHING. BUT I AM FINE WITH WHATEVER DELAY IS NECESSARY FOR IT REASONABLY. I KNOW NEXT WEEK WE WON'T HAVE COUNCIL, BUT IN TWO WEEKS. I THINK IT CAN BE DONE. 3%, 2% THING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE JUSTIN'S ADVICE AND JUST EDIT IT AND BRING IT BACK TODAY. BUT I CAN ASK YOU ONE QUESTION, JUSTIN, OF THE RELEVANCE OF THIS. THE MASTER CONTRACT THAT COVERS THIS. IS THIS ONE OF THOSE OPEN-ENDED CONTRACTS THAT COUNCIL APPROVED AND DOES THE ADMINISTRATION HAVE TO GET OUR PERMISSION ON THE APPROVALS BUT BECAUSE OF THE MASTER CONTRACTS, CAN THEY INSTRUCT THE CONTRACTORS TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. >>JUSTIN VASKE: IN TERMS OF THE WORK ORDER, THAT IS ONE UNDER $200,000 THAT YOU APPROVED IN BULK ESSENTIALLY. SO THAT SCOPE WILL BE APPROVED BY THE ADMINISTRATION SO -- AND THEN THE AGREEMENT THAT YOU ARE APPROVING TODAY, ALTHOUGH IT IS UNDER $200,000, THAT IS AN ACTUAL AGREEMENT. NOT A WORK ORDER AGREEMENT. >>BILL CARLSON: OKAY. YEAH, YOU KNOW THE LAST COUPLE OF TIMES I VOTED AGAINST THOSE UMBRELLA AGREEMENTS BECAUSE I THINK THERE SHOULD BE MORE REVIEW BY COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC WITH THE INTERPRETATION. I WILL GO WITH HAVING IT EDITED TODAY AND APPROVED TODAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I CONCUR WITH THAT. MY BIGGEST FEAR IS I DON'T WANT TO DERAIL THIS PROJECT. I DON'T WANT TO DERAIL THE ACQUISITION. I THOUGHT THIS DIMINIMUS LANGUAGE IN THIS THING, THE RISK OF IT DERAILING THE PROJECT WAS RIDICULOUS. A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS EXACTLY WHY WE WORKED THROUGH LUNCH TO MAKE SURE -- THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WAS MOVING THIS FORWARD. MAKING SURE THAT WE CAN GET STARTED FOR FLEET AND SUPPLY, BUT BEFORE WE VOTE, I DID ASK IF CHIEF TRIPP WANTED TO SAY ANYTHING. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING. >>CHIEF TRIPP: I WILL KEEP IT BRIEF. FIRE CHIEF FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA FIRE RESCUE. I NOTICED THIS MORNING IN THE MEETING, A LOT OF CONVERSATION WAS GOING ON AS FAR AS WHAT THIS PROPERTY IS FOR, WHAT IT IS GOING TO BE USED FOR. BUT TO CORRESPOND OFF OF CHIEF BENNETT, WHEN WE HAVE -- WHEN WE HAVE A COUPLE OF MEETINGS, THE PRIMARY FOCUS FOR THE FIRE FLEET AND SUPPLY BECAUSE OF THE INSUFFICIENCY OF HOW THAT IS OPERATING NOW. ADDITION CAME ON LATER. OF COURSE I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT. WHEN SOMEONE SAID I AM NOT A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT. THAT'S CORRECT. I AM NOT A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT WHEN IT COMES TO BUDGET BUT I AM WITH THAT DEPARTMENT AND WHAT IT NEEDS AND WHAT IS GOING ON. CURRENTLY, YES, I ASKED FOR LAMBORGHINI AND I AM OKAY WITH A FORD. THE REASON I SAY THAT, BECAUSE OF HOW THE CITY SUSPENDING -- WE ARE ALL ALL HAZARD AGENCY AND WE PROVIDE SERVICES THROUGHOUT THE STATE. I HAVE EQUIPMENT IN OTHER AGENCIES THAT HAVE BEEN STORED. I NEED TO HAVE, LIKE, ONE CENTRAL LOCATION. BY ASKING FOR TEN ACRES, YES, BECAUSE WE KNOW THE PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA IS -- IS AND GONE. SO IF THERE IS AREAS WHERE WE CAN PUT ADDITIONAL FACILITIES IN THERE AS WELL. BUT I WANTING TO GO WITH FIVE, FIVE OR SIX TO MAXIMIZE WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING OFF OF NOW. AS YOU KNOW, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HAVE THEIR BIG FLEET FACILITY. I BELIEVE THEY ARE ON FIVE OR SIX ACRES AND THEY HAVE OUTGROWN THAT. BEFORE I EVEN CAME TO ASK FOR ADDITIONAL ACREAGE, I DID RESEARCH, YOU KNOW, TO SEE, OKAY, HOW MANY VEHICLES WE HAVE. WHERE ARE OUR RESOURCE AS SOON AS WHERE WE ARE GOING TO STORE THEM? AND THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF GET ADDITIONAL SPASZ FOR THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION ON THE FLOOR -- MR. ROGERO. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU. DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. THANK YOU, COUNCIL I APOLOGIZE IF THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT ITEM. MISSTATEMENTS WERE MADE OF ME AND OF MY OFFICE BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON THAT I WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ABUT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL DENY THAT OPPORTUNITY NOW AND DO THAT IN THE NEXT ADMINISTRATIVE UPDATE, BUT WE NEED TO MOVE ON WITH THE AGENDA TODAY. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU, COUNCIL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION AND A SECOND TO COME BACK AT THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS AND YOU NEED TO GO FAST. BECAUSE WE WILL MOVE PART. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYES HAVE IT. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, I -- ONE OTHER THING. HE ALREADY LEFT. I WANTED TO ASK MR. MUTTERBACK -- IF YOU COULD GRAB HIM. BECAUSE -- AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO ASK AND POSSIBLY CHIEF TRIPP, MAYBE CHIEF BENNETT CAN HELP ME WITH THIS. I JUST -- I ALSO WANTED TO TELL THE PUBLIC OR TALK -- TALK ABOUT THE IDEA TODAY THAT ONCE WE GET THIS SIX-MONTH PREPARATION DONE, THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO MULTIPLE THINGS AT ONCE. MR. MUTTERBACK. I WAS SAYING -- ONE OF THE THINGS I JUST WANTED TO VERY BRIEFLY HIT ON TODAY IS ONCE WE GET THIS SIX-MONTH SCOPE, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT PUZZLE PIECE FITTING THAT WE CAN ALSO DO SITE PREPARATION, ANY TEST WE GO NEED TO DO PLUS A DESIGN FOR THE STATION AT THE SAME TIME. WHAT MIGHT -- SORRY, NOT A STATION, SUPPLY AND FLEET BUILDING. >> RICHARD MUTTERBACK, CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION. TIMELINE WISE, YOU WANT THE ASSESSMENT COMPLETE BEFORE YOU GO INTO DESIGN. BECAUSE THAT WILL TELL YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO DESIGN. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS WHAT I AM SAYING THOUGH. >> DURING THE SIX MONTHS THEY WILL BE INTERVIEWING ALL STAKEHOLDERS, FIRE FLEET. LOOKING AT THE EXISTING STUFF. LOOKING AT THAT -- SO WE CAN DECIDE WHETHER WE NEED 35,000 SQUARE FEET, 10,000 SQUARE FEET AND ANYWHERE IN BETWEEN. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT I AM ASKING ONCE THAT IS DONE, ONCE WE ARE DONE WITH THE ASSESSMENT WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO MULTIPLE THINGS AT ONCE. TESTING THE SOLE WHILE WE ARE DESIGNING. >> WE WILL TAKE THAT INFORMATION FROM THE ASSESSMENT AND PUT OUT A RFQ TO HIRE THE FIRM DOING THE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION IF WE GO DESIGN-BUILD. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I WANTED PEOPLE TO KNOW WHAT THE NEXT STEPS AND HOW WE WILL MOVE ON IT. >> NEXT SIX MONTHS AND THE ANOTHER SIX TO EIGHT MONTHS WE WILL GET INTO DESIGN IN ABOUT A YEAR AND 14 MONTHS. >>LYNN HURTAK: WONDERFUL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, SIR. MR. BENNETT. >>JOHN BENNETT: JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF. I WANT TO MEET COUNCIL'S EXPECTATION OF BRINGING THIS BACK. THEY ARE GOING TO HUSTLE UP THE AMENDED SCOPE AND GET IT BACK. WE WILL BE MONITORING THE TIME SEQUENCE OF COUNCIL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHEN THE DOORS FLY OPEN, I WILL BREAK BUSINESS. AND WE WILL TRY TO GET DONE WITH THE OTHER STAFF REPORTS. WE ARE ON ITEM 53. >>LUIS VIERA: MISS McKENZIE IS HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. >> NO WORRIES. GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. BRENDA McKENZIE, DIRECTOR OF WORKFORCE PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE CITY. AND I AM HAPPY TO SHARE A LITTLE BIT THE CONCEPT OF HAVING AN OFFICE FOR RETURNING CITIZENS. WE REALLY WORKED HARD OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE INCLUSIVE OF ALL OF OUR WORKFORCE. AND RETURNING CITIZENS ARE THOSE THAT ARE JUST AS INVOLVED IS A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THAT. OUR ESTIMATE IS ABOUT -- AROUND 2,000 PEOPLE A YEAR RETURN TO OUR COMMUNITY. AND BECAUSE WE ARE AT A POINT OF FULL EMPLOYMENT, IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE ACTIVATING ALL YOU HAVE OUR WORKFORCE INDIVIDUALS TO MAKE SURE THEY HAVE ACCESS. WE REALLY APPROACHED THIS FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF ECONOMIC MOBILITY. SO WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GETTING THEM INTO, NOT JUST JOBS, BUT CAREERS THAT WILL SERVICE THEM OVER A LIFETIME. CONSEQUENTLY, THE PROGRAM YOU APPROVED FOR THE RETURNING CITIZENS PILOT, THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THAT. WE WORK WITH A. BROWN MINISTRIES WITH YOUR APPROVAL. AND WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TOUCH OVER 1,000 FOLKS SO FAR IN JUST OVER A YEAR AND A HALF, CONNECTING THEM TO IMPORTANT COUNSELING RESOURCES, GETTING THEM PLACED INTO JOBS, AND ALSO DOING THE FOLLOW-UP. WE ARE HOPING -- HOPEFUL THAT WE ARE ABLE TO CONTINUE THAT AND THE LESSONS LEARNED FROM THOSE PROGRAMS WILL BE ABLE TO SERVICE OTHER INDIVIDUALS AND SHARE THAT AS WELL. WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF NEEDS THAT THE POPULATION HAS, AND THERE ARE SOME STIGMA ASSOCIATED WITH THE POPULATION. SO THE MAYOR'S WORKFORCE COUNCIL HAS ADVISED PART OF OUR GOOD JOBS, GREAT CAREERS PLAN THAT WE HAVE A WHOLE SECTION THAT IS FOCUSED ON RETURNING CITIZENS AND ENGAGING RETURNING CITIZENS. WE HAD A TASK FORCE THAT WAS INVOLVED WITH THAT THAT HELPED TO INFORM US YOU HAVE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH IN ORDER TO REALLY MAKE SURE WE ARE ACTIVATING THAT POPULATION. WE ALSO STOOD UP A WEB SITE AS PART OF THE TPA WRX WEB SITE. THERE IS A LANDING PAGE FOR RETURNING CITIZENS. THAT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT CAME FROM OUR RESEARCH THAT INDIVIDUALS IN THIS CATEGORY DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT ALL OPPORTUNITIES ARE FOR THEM. SO IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO CALL OUT SPECIFICALLY, YOU CAN COME HERE. WE CAN LINK YOU TO RESOURCES THERE. SO WE HAVE STARTED TO OPEN THE DOOR IF YOU WILL TO ADDITIONAL WAYS TO SERVE THE POPULATION SO THEY KNOW WHAT IS AVAILABLE TO THEM IN THE CITY. ONE THING WE ARE WORKING ON NOW IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT JUST TOUCHING PEOPLE AFTER THEY HAVE BEEN INCARCERATED. BUT TRYING TO INTERCEPT BEFORE THAT HAPPENS AS WELL. SO WE ARE LOOKING AT JUSTICE INVOLVED OR JUSTICE-IMPACTED YOUTH. OPENING THE RECONNECTION CENTER IN HANNA EARLIER THIS YEAR IN DECEMBER, WE MADE SURE THAT IN OUR GUIDELINES, ALL OF THE AGENCIES THAT WOULD BE SERVICING THAT -- THAT FACILITY HAVE INFORMATION AND KNOW HOW TO WORK WITH JUSTICE IMPACTED YOUTH SO THEY CAN BE ENCOMPASSED AND HAVE ALL THE BENEFITS FROM THAT AS WELL. SO IN LOOKING AT OPTIONS FOR OFFICIAL OFFICE OF RETURNING CITIZENS, THERE IS A NUMBER OF CITIES THAT HAVE DONE BEFORE WHICH GIVES AN EXTRA LAYER OF SERVICE FROM WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO NOW. D.C. DOES ONE, NEW ORLEANS, PHILLY. SO IT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE. JUST A MATTER OF ADDITIONAL RESOURCES. WITH ADDITIONAL RESOURCES OTHER AREAS WE DON'T COVER NOW THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS. THERE ARE PARTICULAR LEGAL NEEDS THAT ARE SPECIFICS TO THE POPULATION THAT ARE SUPER IMPORTANT. HOUSING IS ANOTHER AREA. AS WE KNOW, THERE IS CERTAIN CONDITIONS THAT MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR THIS POPULATION TO -- TO SEEK HOUSING AND PEER-TO-PEER COUNSEL SOMETHING TYPICALLY A BIG COMPONENT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE LONG-TERM SUCCESS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR VERY DETAILED PRESENTATION. WE SPOKE YESTERDAY ABOUT THIS. AND I AM VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. I SEE THIS AS SOMETHING WE CAN START IT HERE WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION AND THIS COUNCIL AND THEN WHOEVER THE NEXT MAYOR AND NEXT CITY COUNCIL CAN BUILD ON IT. YOU MENTIONED SOME CITIES. MOST A VERY ROBUST ONE AS WELL. AND THIS IS IMPORTANT ISSUE. EVERY YEAR 650,000 FOLKS LEAVE OUR PRISON SYSTEM AND BEEN THREE YEARS, TWO-THIRDS OF THOSE FOLKS WILL REOFFEND. AND YOU KNOW PEOPLE LOOK AT THIS ISSUE IN DIFFERENT WAYS. I ALWAYS SAID THAT YOU GOT TO BE TOUGH ON VIOLENT CRIME AND TOUGH ON THE CAUSES OF VIOLENT CRIME. I THINK THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT. THE TWO GO TOGETHER. FOR ME AN ISSUE OF FAMILY. I DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT PEOPLE SAY. EVERY FAMILY IS AFFECTED BY THIS. EVERY FAMILY IS AFFECTED BE THIS, OF DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS AND DIFFERENT RELIGIOUS FAITH AND FORTH. EVERYBODY MAKES MISTAKES AND A LOT OF US GET CAUGHT. I MEAN "US" AS IN "ME." WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES. EFFORT OF PREVENTION OF CRIME. YOU TAKE SOMEBODY AND THEY MAKE A BIG MISTAKE AND GO BACK OUT THERE. IF THEY WANT TO USE THEIR GOD-AGAIN POTENTIAL TO PUTS FOOD ON THE TABLE FOR THEIR FAMILY. WE SHOULDN'T SHAME PEOPLE AND MAKE THEM NEW LEPERS OF OUR SOCIETY BECAUSE YOU HAVE THAT. IT IS AN ISSUE OF FAITH. YOU LOOK AT EVERY MAJOR FAITH. JEWISH ISLAMIC CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC, WHATEVER, HAVE RETURNING CITIZENS MINISTRIES BECAUSE IT IS ALL ABOUT LOOKING AT PEOPLE THAT SOCIETY DOESN'T SEE. HAPPEN TO BE A CHRISTIAN. JESUS ALWAYS TAUGHT US TO SEE PEOPLE THAT OTHERS DON'T SEE. AND THAT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT OBVIOUSLY. AND AN ISSUE OF HUMAN DECENCY. THANK YOU WES PRUGH, MY FORMER INTERN. SUCH A COOL YOUNG MAN AND ALL THAT STUFF. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT. BRIAN STEVENSON WITH EQUAL JUSTICE BETTER THAN OUR WORST MISTAKE THAT WE HAVE DONE. 1% TO 2% SORRY, TOO BAD. BUT I THINK THAT IS VERY TRUE 100%. NO, NOBODY UP HERE. I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS VERY, VERY TRUE. I SEE NO CONFLICT ON THIS. FOR EXAMPLE, I ALWAYS HAVE BEEN SOMEONE WHO IS PRO-LAW ENFORCEMENT. NO CONFLICT IN THIS WHATSOEVER. NOTHING TO DO WITH SUPPORTING -- HAVING GOOD POLICIES ON CRIME. SUPPORTS POLICE. IF ANYTHING THIS SUPPORTS LOWER CRIME AND INTERVENES AND GIVES PEOPLE HOPE. YOU GIVE SOMEBODY A JOB. YOU GIVE SOMEBODY RESPECT. YOU GIVE SOMEBODY HOUSING LIKE PORTICO HOUSING INITIATIVE THAT I WANT THE CITY TO SUPPORT. THAT PREVENTS CREAM AND RESTORES A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. SO THE WAY I SEE THIS IS -- AND WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT YESTERDAY -- THIS OFFICE WHICH WOULD PUT THE CITY OF TAMPA ON THE MAP HERE IN THE FREE STATE OF FLORIDA. AND I SAY THAT WITH QUOTES. AND IN THE "FREE" STATE OF FLORIDA FOR FORWARD-LOOKING COMPASSION. I SEE IT WITH WRAP-AROUND SERVICES AND TO ABE BROWN MINISTRIES, LIKE THE PORTICO AND SO FORTH. I SEE IT FOR REFERRAL AND LEGAL ASSISTANCE. I HAVE BEEN MEANING TO DO THIS FOR YEARS AND I AM GOING TO DO IT. CALL MY FRIENDS AT THE GEORGE EDGECOMB ASSOCIATION AND FOR WOMEN'S LAWYERS AND HISPANIC BAR AND GET GROUPS TO PETITION THE COURT UNDER THE MASSACRED AMENDMENT 4 FROM 2018, TO HAVE FEES AND FINES TO RELEASE SO PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO VOTE. BIGGEST STAKEHOLDERS. ANOTHER REASON FOR THIS ISSUE, PEOPLE SEE THIS ISSUE, I AM NOT TOUCHING THAT. NOT A SAFE ISSUE DEALING WITH CRIMINALS AND ALL THAT STUFF. IT IS A SAFE ISSUE. IF YOU ARE A FAMILY MEMBER, EVERY FAMILY HAS SOMEONE WHO HAS DONE A MISTAKE AND GOTTEN CAUGHT AND IN NEED OF -- MIND YOU, THEY PAID THEIR DEBT TO SOCIETY. AND THEY ARE OUT IN. I AM NOT TALKING OF SEX OFFENDERS AND MURDERERS. I AM TALKING ABOUT THE FOLKS -- 950% OF THE PEOPLE PAID THEIR DEBT TO SOCIETY. SO MANY GREAT GROUPS. THE PORTICO, WHY JUSTIN DE LA ROSA. GREATEST GUY ON WORK, THE JEWISH COMMUNITY CENTER FEDERATION TO HELP US WITH THE FIRST ONE. OUR FRIENDS AT THE -- WHAT IS THAT, DESMOND NEAL VOTES GROUP, FLORIDA RIGHTS COALITION THAT DID SO MUCH WORK FOR AMENDMENT 4 AND ABE BROWN MINISTRIES. TELL PEOPLE JESUS WALIVE ON EARH HE WOULD BE VOLUNTEERING AT ABE BROWN MINISTRIES. WITH COUNCIL'S CONSENT, IS TO DO A MOTION TO PERHAPS COME BACK ON THIS -- FOR AN UPDATE OF WHERE IT IS GOING AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. JUST TELL ME HOW MUCH TIME AGAIN WITH COUNCIL'S CONSENT. BUT, AGAIN, THIS IS A REALLY GOOD ISSUE THAT TAMPA COULD HAVE A GOOD FOOTPRINT ON. ISSUE OF COMPASSION AND SEEING THE BEST IN PEOPLE. SO IMPORTANT. SEEING THE BEST IN PEOPLE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. THIS IS IMPORTANT DISCUSSION AND I APPRECIATE IT. HE WAS GOING TO ASK, WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS? COMING BACK WITH AN UPDATE, BUT WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS TO MOVE THIS OFFICE FORWARD? >> SO WE HAVE TRIED TO MAXIMIZE ALL THAT WE CAN DO WITH THE CONSTANT BUDGET FUNDING IN TERMS OF REFERRING SERVICES AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A LAUNDRY LIST OF ALL THAT IS AVAILABLE SO WE CAN SHARE THAT. BUT IF WE WANT TO UP THE LEVEL OF SERVICE LIKE OTHER CITIES, WE WILL HAVE TO ALLOCATE ADDITIONAL FUNDS IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I WILL LET YOU LEAD. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO WHAT IS THE WE SHALL OF COUNCIL? >>LUIS VIERA: ANYBODY ELSE? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. WHAT -- WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS OFF-LINE. WHAT DOLLAR AMOUNT DO WE NEED TO GET THIS -- I WOULD HOPE THAT THE NEXT MAYOR. BY THE WAY THIS IS PART OF THE RACIAL RECONCILIATION AGENDA AND TO TELL THE BOARD THEY CAN MAKE THE ISSUES THE PART OF THE NEXT MAYOR'S RACE. LOOK THEM IN THE EYE, WHAT WILL YOU DO WITH RETURNING CITIZENS AND WHAT YOU WILL DO WITH THIS OFFICE. WHAT DO YOU THINK IS A GOOD AMOUNT FOR THE BEGINNING, SO TO SPEAK. >> OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I WOULD WANT TO CONNECT WITH MIKE PERRY IN THE BUDGET OFFICE AND GET A LEVEL SET BEFORE COMING BACK. >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL WORK HAGAR, OUR GOOD FRIEND WHO DOES SUCH A GREAT JOB. AND I NEED TO LOOK AT MY CALENDAR -- LET ME PUT IT ON THE CALENDAR. TRUST ME, I AM A VERY STUPID SMART GUY. WHAT DO YOU THINK, OCTOBER? DO YOU THINK OCTOBER? OKAY. LET'S DO THAT. DO WE HAVE -- HOW DOES THAT CALENDAR LOOK THERE? HOW ABOUT OCTOBER 23? THAT APPEARS TO BE -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN YOU PUT YOUR WISHES AND DESIRES IN THE FORM OF A MOTION. >>LUIS VIERA: YES, I KNOW, RIGHT. IF I MAY, MOTION TO HAVE CITY STAFF INCLUDING MISS McKENZIE RETURN US TO OCTOBER 23 WITH THE UPDATE ON THE FORMAL CREATION OF THE OFFICE OF RETURNING CITIZENS FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA. AND BETWEEN THEN, WE WILL DEAL WITH THE BUDGET ISSUE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. ITEM 56. STAFF AND LEGAL TO COME BACK WANT ORDINANCE CONSISTENT WITH STATE LAWS. MEMO FROM JUSTIN. JUSTIN, SIR. >>JUSTIN VASKE: JUSTIN VASKE, LEGAL DEPARTMENT. I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MEMO THAT I SUBMITTED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT. AGAIN, MISS McKENZIE AND I HAD A LOT OF COOL CONVERSATIONS YESTERDAY. PURPOSES OF HISTORY, A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WE PASSED APPRENTICESHIP ORDINANCE WHICH I THINK IT WAS AWESOME. BUT WE WORKED TOGETHER WITH THE CONTRACTORS AND WITH THE LABOR UNIONS TO GET. YOU KNOW WE STARTED FROM THE MIDDLE. TOOK OFF SOME OF THE EXCESSES, IN MY OPINION, WHAT ST. PETE DID AND WENT FOR THE MIDDLE AND HAD A REASONABLE MANDATE. ULTIMATELY WHAT TALLAHASSEE DID, LOOKING AT THINGS THAT SAN FRANCISCO DID AND FRIENDS NEW TAMPA, PREEMPTED. OUR ORDINANCE WAS MORE MODERATE AND WITH WE SURVIVED FOR THREE YEARS. WE NEVER GOT SUED. THAT WAS MY NUMBER ONE INTENT TO NEVER GET SUED ON THAT. WHATEVER TALLAHASSEE WAS GOING TO DO, THEY WERE GOING TO DO. WE LOOKED AT THE POSSIBILITY WE COULD NOT DO ANY SORT OF A MANDATE OF HAVING INCENTIVES. I THINK THAT IS JUST LAME. THE IDEA YOU WILL TELL A CONTRACTOR IF YOU CREATE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF APPRENTICESHIPS STATE CERTIFIED, WE WILL GIVE YOU MONEY. I THINK THAT WILL LIKELY DO IT ANYWAY OR THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO IT, WHATEVER, I THINK THAT IS A SOFT FORM OF TRICKLE-DOWN ECONOMICS ANYWAY. WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE DO AND WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS. AND OFF GOOD PATHWAY FOR THIS IS THAT YOU USE THOSE DOLLARS THAT WE WOULD HAVE POTENTIALLY USE TO A DEGREE FOR THAT. AND ALSO IN THE ENFORCEMENT OF THIS ORDINANCE. AND TO FUND EXISTING APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS. YOU TALKED ABOUT I BELIEVE IT WAS HCC WITH WHAT SOME OF OUR UNION FRIENDS AND OTHER TRADE ASSOCIATION DO TO FUND THEM. BECAUSE THE IDEA HERE ISN'T NECESSARILY TO DO A MANDATE. DO SOMETHING THAT WORKS. IF TALLAHASSEE TOOK AWAY OUR BEST TOOL, THAT SUCKS BUT WE GOT TO LOOK AT ANOTHER WAY. SO, IF I MAY ASK MISS McKENZIE. CAN YOU TALK TO BUS THAT BUDGET INVESTMENT? >> ABSOLUTELY. SO OUR INTENTION WAS ACTUALS HAVE A PERSON-CENTERED AID APPROACH. WE REALLY WANTED TO GROW THE NUMBER OF APPRENTICES. ARE, THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS GETTING THAT TYPE, TRAINING. WITH THE STATE APPLICATION, WE ARE NOT ABLE TO DO THE APPROACH WE DID WITH THE -- WITH THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE. BUT WE CAN STILL WORK WITH PEOPLE. SO WHAT WE HAVE STARTED TO PILOT WITH HILLSBOROUGH COLLEGE IS A PROGRAM AND IN THE TRADES AND MECHANICS WHERE WE -- WE PAY SOME OF THE COSTS RELATED TO THE PROGRAMS. SO WE ARE LOOKING ATPAYING FOR THEIR BOOKS THAT COULD BE QUITE SUBSTANTIAL. LOOKING AT PAYING FOR THEIR TOOLS. SOMETHING THAT COULD GO TO THE ACTUAL PARTICIPANT IN THE REGISTERED APPRENTICE PROGRAM. WE ARE TRYING IT WITH MECHANICS AND GET OUT ANY KINKS AND SCALE IT WITH OTHER TRADES AS WELL. BUT THE INTENT, AGAIN, IS REALLY TO INCENT INDIVIDUALS TO GET IN THE PRACTICE OF THE SKILLED TRADES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, COUNCIL. CHECKING IN WITH HAS HAGAR. POOR THING. SHE WILL BE LOOKING FOR MONEY UNDER KOUCHLS. BUT WE TALKED OF $100,000. >> DEPENDING ONMENTS NUMBER OF PEOPLE. 1,000 TO 1500 PER APPROACH DIS. >>LUIS VIERA: THAT IS AWESOME. I WILL SUGGEST, COUNCIL. I MAKE A MOTION AS FOLLOWS. I WILL WORK WITH HAGAR ON THIS. MOTION FOR -- IT WILL BE A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT ON SEPTEMBER 18. IF YOU NEED MORE TIME, PLEASE LET US KNOW. SEPTEMBER 18 FOR A -- STAFF TO PROVIDE A MEMO ON A FORMER -- UP TO $100,000 APPRENTICESHIP INVESTMENT FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA AND WHAT THAT PROGRAM WILL FORMALLY ENTAIL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND. >>LUIS VIERA: THAT'S IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >>LYNN HURTAK: IT AS GREAT PROGRAM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. THE AYES HAVE IT. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. IS MR. SHELBY BACK? WE NEED HIM FOR THE NEXT DISCUSSIONS. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. VAS KKE, ARE YOU WORKING ON WHAT IS COMING BACK US TO OR SOMEONE ELSE. >>JUSTIN VASKE: JUSTIN VASKE, ASSISTANT ATTORNEY. I CAN'T BE TWO PLACE AT ONCE BUT STAFF IS WORKING ON THE AMENDMENT AND HE WILL BE BACK. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE HAVE TWO ITEMS LEFT. NOT JUST TO -- >>JUSTIN VASKE: I KNOW. >>LYNN HURTAK: THERE WILL BE SOME DISCUSSION. OH, HERE YOU ARE. YES, WE WERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE NEED TO HEAR ITEM 58 FIRST. YOU WANT TO DO THEM TOGETHER WE WILL DO 58 AND 57 TOGETHER. MR. SHELBY, WOULD YOU LIKE KICK THIS OFF. >>MARTIN SHELBY: SURE. COUNCIL, I AM PASSING AROUND FOR YOUR INFORMATION, THIS HAS BEEN SENT TO YOU PREVIOUSLY AND IT IS ALSO IN THE BACK-UP MATERIAL. THIS THE RESOLUTION THAT ULTIMATELY THE STEERING DEVICE FOR THE 2017 CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION WHICH WAS THE FIRST OF ITS KIND IN THE CITY SINCE 1974. ONE COUNTRY THINGS THAT THAT COMMITTEE DID WAS RECOMMEND PUTTING PERIODIC REVIEW INTO THE CHART THEIR CAME BACK TO COUNCIL. COUNCIL PUT IT IN THE FORM OF AN ORDINANCE. PUT IT ON THE BALLOT. AND THE VOTERS APPROVED IT. NOW OF THE CHARTER SECTION 10-10 REARS THAT THEY GET IN 2025, AND EVERY SEVEN YEARS THEREAFTER. YOU ESTABLISH A CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AND THEN YOU DO WHAT IT TAKES TO BE ABLE TO HAVE IT COMMENCE HAVE IT COME BACK -- I BELIEVE IT IS THE COUNCIL'S INTENTION TO HAVE THE CHARTER QUESTIONS ON THE MARCH 2027 BALLOT. WORKING BACK WORDS FROM THAT TIM HEBERLINE HAS BEEN INFORMED BY THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION THAT THE STATE TO GET THINGS THROUGH THE BALLOT ORDINANCES PASSED AND ADOPTED TO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION HAS TO BE BEFORE THE FIRST DAY OF QUALIFYING, THE FIRST DAY OF JANUARY IN 2027. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. SHELBY, SINCE THIS IS INTERNAL COUNCIL STUFF AND STAFF THAT WE ALREADY TAKEN THIS TIME, DO YOU MIND IF I PAUSE THIS DISCUSSION AND GO BACK TO ITEM 20. >>JUSTIN VASKE: JUSTIN VAKE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, FOR ITEM 20. CAN I HAVE THE WOLF. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE STRIKING THROUGH. I WILL ASK CITY COUNCIL TO SUBSTITUTE THE AGREEMENT IN THE SCOPE WITH THIS REVISED AGREEMENT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SUBSTITUTE SCOPE FOR ITEM 20. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. A SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. >>MARTIN SHELBY: HAS BEEN FILED WITH THE CLERK. >>JUSTIN VASKE: I AM GETTING READY TO DO THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MAKE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOUR MOTION IS TO ACCEPT THE SUBSTITUTE. >>LYNN HURTAK: MY MOTION IS TO ACCEPT THE SUBSTITUTE. ADOPTING THE SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION THAT IN TWO SHAKES WILL BE IN YOUR HANDS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, MR. VASKE. YOU SENT -- THIS IS ACTUALLY A COMPLETE FINAL. >>JUSTIN VASKE: JUST SEPARATE THE AGREEMENT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I HAVE GIVE IT TO THE CLERK. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE HAVE A WHOLE BRAND-NEW PACKET. SUBSTITUTE SCOPE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TO ADOPT THE SUBSTITUTE SCOPE OF WORK IN ITEM 20 AND IS SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY. >>LYNN HURTAK: ONE MORE QUICK QUESTION. CAN WE -- ARE WE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE WORK ORDER FOR LOWRY PARK OR JUST AN INTERNAL? >> RICHARD MUTTERBACK, CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION. AS FAR AS A SEPARATE WORK ORDER TO DEAL WITH LOWRY PARK. THAT WILL BE SOMETHING SEPARATE. WORK INCLUDED HERE IS ONLY IF ANY OF THAT STUFF WOULD FIT ON THE SAME PROPERTY. AND CAN I MAKE ONE CLARIFYING STATEMENT? BECAUSE I AM ALWAYS LOOKING TO EDUCATE. AS FAR AS THE WORK ORDER QUESTIONS EARLIER AND IF THAT WOULD COME BEFORE YOU. THE 200,000 THRESHOLD. ANYTHING UNDER 200,000 AT DEPARTMENT LEVEL WITH THE EXCEPTION WE WORK LAST YEAR ON AND MADE A REVISION THAT CUMULATIVELY IG OVER $200,000 WOULD COME BEFORE YOU. THE THRESHOLD IS THERE TO BE MADE. >>LYNN HURTAK: AS A COURTESY, BECAUSE THIS IS ON OUR RADAR, NICE TO KNOW WHEN THAT STARTS SO WE CAN KIND OF HAVE AN IDEA AND SEE ANY LAND AND THINK OF ANYTHING, WE KNOW WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. SHELBY. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I STAY ONE THING ABOUT THIS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: BEFORE YOU CONCLUDE, WHAT WOULD BE IN ORDER WOULD BE A MOTION TO MOVE THE SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. I MOVE THE SUBSTITUTION RESOLUTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. CARLSON, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK FIRST. >>BILL CARLSON: FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MR. MUTTERBACK, YOU HAVE ONLY BEEN HERE A COUPLE OF YEARS BUT YOU CHANGED THE PROCESS DRAMATICALLY AND THE REASON WE ARE SEEING THIS BECAUSE YOU PUT IN THE NEW RULES THAT YOU PUT IN PLACE. THANK YOU FOR THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: I WANT TO STATE SOMETHING THAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID OF MR. MUTTERBACK. YOU WERE HERE FOR FRIDAY, YOU ARE LIKE NO MORE FIRE STUFF, MAN, BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN IN THE THICK OF IT. AND STUFF THAT YOU HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH. AND YOU GO THE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS JUST KNOW THAT I SEE THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, GUYS. I WOULD HAVE LOST THE MONEY BUT YOU WOULD HAVE IT BACK QUICK. THANK YOU FOR DOING SUCH QUICK WORK. A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TO ADOPT A SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION. IS THERE A SECOND? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. AYES HAVE IT. OKAY, MR. SHELBY, PICK BACK UP ON 57 AND 58. SORRY FOR THE INTRODUCTION. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE ARE WORKING BACKWARDS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: BEGIN WITH THE END IN MINE AND WORK BACKWARDS. I EVERY EIGHT YEARS AFTER 2025. EVERY EIGHT YEARS SHOULD A CHACHART REVIEW COMMISSION PER THE CHARTER. I WAS ABOUT TO TELL COUNCIL THAT MR. HEBERLINE, MR. HAD HE BEENERLINE, THE AIDE TO THE CHAIR, RECEIVED WORDS FROM THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION S THA EL WHAT I SEE HERE -- EVERYTHING HAS TO BE SIGNED, SEALED AND DELIVERED TO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION BY JANUARY 11. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TRANSLATED OR NOT TRANSLATED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: SAID WITH SPANISH TRANSLATIONS. IF YOU GET IT TO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS EARLY THEY HAVE DONE THE SPANISH TRANLATION THROUGH HAIR OFFICE. >>LYNN HURTAK: JANUARY OF '27. SO BASICALLY WHAT I AM SUGGESTING COUNCIL IS YOU HAVE AN OPTION AND I GAVE IT TO YOU IN WHAT I SENT YOU. THE ORDINANCE HAS THE LANGUAGE BASICALLY FROM THE CHARTER ITSELF. AND I PLUG IT IN WHERE IT WOULD BE. YOU HAVE AN OPTION. YOU CAN EITHER MINIC WHAT IS IN THIS RESOLUTION THAT I PROVIDED YOU AS A GUIDE. I AM NOT SUGGESTING THAT IT CAN'T BE REVISED OR SUBSTITUTED. BUT THOSE ARE THE KIND OF THINGS THAT THIS PREVIOUS CITY COUNCIL LOOKED AT AND DELIVERED TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. THIS TIME AROUND, IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED IN THE SENSE THAT YOU PER THE CHA SO FUNDING SHOULD PROVIDED FOR FULL TRANSPARENCY IN THE CHARTER REVIEW PROCESS. SO YOUR OPTION IS TO WORKSHOP THIS TODAY OR ANOTHER DAY IN THE SPECIAL CALL AND FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT LANGUAGE MORE THAN WHAT IS ALREADY IN HERE FOR THE CHARTER -- EXCUSE ME IN THE ORDINANCE OR WHAT YOU DO IS MERELY BRING THIS TO LIFE THROUGH YOUR ORDINANCE AND SAY ANY ADDITIONAL DIRECTION WILL BE PROVIDED VIA RESOLUTION. SO THAT WILL BUY YOU TIME TO DO THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. SHELBY KNOWS I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THESE DISCUSSIONS BEHIND THE SCENES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MY GUT TELLS ME JUST TO FRAME THE ISSUE, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS ON CHARTER RE VIEW ON COUNCIL. CHARLIE, DID YOU EVER SERVE ON CHARTER REVIEW. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WAS THE ONLY ONE. >>BILL CARLSON: OTHER THREE APPOINTED US AND WE HAD TO VOTE ON THE RESULTS YOU HAVE IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ARE SITTING IN A REALLY GOOD POSITION. BECAUSE YOU SAW THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY OF THE LAST. >>MARTIN SHELBY: TWO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE CHARTER REMEMBER VIEW COMMISSION ARE ON THE EIGHTH FLOOR IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A LOT OF ENERGY AROUND THE GOVERNANCE. MY GUT TELLS ME THAT WE NEED DO SOME HOMEWORK AND OUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS AND THOSE WHO HAVE AN OPINION ON THIS. YOU KNOW I THREW OUT PROPOSAL FOR CHARTER CHANGES NOT TOO LONG AGO THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WRAPPED INTO THIS. AND I THINK THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE SIMILAR TYPES OF IDEAS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SCOPE OF THESE CHANGES WILL ULTIMATELY BE, BUT I THINK Y'ALL SHOULD COME BACK TO US WITH SOME PROPOSALS OF HOW THIS ORDINANCE WILL LOOK LIKE. WHAT YOU THINK THIS SHOULD LOOK LIKE. WHERE YOU SEE SOME GAPS, WHERE YOU SEE SOME OF THIS. THIS WILL BE A RESOLUTION, NOT AN ORDINANCE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: ACTUALLY AN ORDINANCE. I DIDN'T PRINT OUT THE DRAFT ORDINANCE AND THAT IS IN YOUR BACK-UP. LANGUAGE THAT AND IN THE WHEREPAZ CLAUSE WAS TAKEN IN SECTION 1010 OF THE CHARTER. THAT RELEVANT LANGUAGE IS PUT IN THE SECTIONS. THE ONLY LANGUAGE THAT REALLY TRACKS IS LANGUAGE THAT IS REQUIRED BY THE CHARTER. I ALSO ADDED LANGUAGE -- I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME. THE LAST SESSION, COUNCILWOMAN, ABOUT THE THIRD -- THE THIRD SECTION UP BEFORE "EFFECTIVE DATE." BEFORE "CONFLICTS." WHAT IS THE SECOND -- THE THIRD FROM THE LAST HURTAK SECTION 18 ADDITIONAL FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION MUD IS BE BY RESOLUTION. WHAT IT IS SAYING WE CAN PASS AN ORDINANCE TODAY TO CREATE -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE NEXT DATE. >>LYNN HURTAK: ON THE 28th. CREATE AN ORDINANCE AND SET A TIME TO CREATE RESOLUTIONS WHERE WE CAN PROVIDE MORE DIRECTION. AND SO GIVE US SOME TIME, BUT THIS AT LEAST GETS THE PROCESS STARTED. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CLEARLY? >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES. THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS WORKING BACKWARDS I LOOK AT IT, YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE THAT THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CHART OF HOW YOU MAKE YOUR APPOINTMENTS. A COUNCILMEMBER MADE THEIR APPOINTMENTS AND PLACED IN THE RESOLUTION BY THE CITY COUNCIL. BUT THE QUESTION IS, DOES CITY COUNCIL WISH TO HAVE THE OTHER MEMBERS OF YOUR BOARD SEE THE APPLICATION OF THAT PERSON SO THEY KNOW WHO YOU ARE VOTING ON. OR DO IT AS A GROUP. DO IT DIFFERENTLY OR THE SAME. YOU ARE NOT BOUND BY WHAT THE PREVIOUS CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION DID AND HOW IT DID IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK WE -- THE PROCESS YOU DESCRIBE IS FINE. WE EACH NOMINATE SOMEBODY AND THEN WE VOTE ON IT BEEN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK WE HAVE TO CREATE -- WE NEED TO CREATE THE PROCESS TO DO THAT. SO -- BUT THAT HAS TO BE IN THE FORM -- A FORMAL RESOLUTION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: COULD BE IN THE FORM OF A MOTION. OTHER THING I THINK TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE FROM. COULD YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE ON BOARD BUT DON'T HAVE A LEGAL COUNSEL OR A FACILITATOR UNLESS YOU START THAT PROCESS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PRIVY OF THIS CONVERSATION, EAR MARK OF $126,000 IN THE 2026 BUDGET. I AM STILL FEELING THAT -- HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE WE SPENT ON THE RACIAL RECONCILIATION FACILITATOR. >>LUIS VIERA: YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THAT IS, $60,000? KOPESKY HAGAR KOPESKY, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST. RIGHT AROUND $75,000. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ONLY HAVE $150,000 FOR AN ATTORNEY AND A FACILITATOR AND DEPENDS ON HOW BIG THE SCOPE AND SCALE OF THIS CHARTER REVIEW PROCESS IS GOING TO BE. IS THAT GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT TO BE ABLE TO FUND ANY OTHER EXPENSES WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT? >>MARTIN SHELBY: ADMINISTRATIVE REPORT. IN 2017, IT WAS TO BE PROVIDED BY THE CLERK. BUT NO DISCUSSION OF THE CLERK'S OFFICE WHAT THAT WILL ENTAIL. CERTAINLY THE CLERK HAS TO BE BROUGHT IN THE PROCESS EARLY ON. THE OTHER THING I SHOULD TELL YOU, IF YOUR GOAL IS TO LET'S SAY BY THE BEGINNING OF NOVEMBER HAVE THAT BOARD BE COMPLETE SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY REVIEW WHAT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU HAVE TO PUT THEM IN THE FORM OF ORDINANCES WHICH REQUIRES TWO READINGS AND THE TIME THERE. YOU DON'T WOULD BE A TO BE LATE GETTING THIS TO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS. YOUR SCOPE IS LIMITED TO HOW OFTEN YOU WILL GIVE THE COMMITTEE TO FUNCTION. YOU HAVEN'T DECIDED MONTHLY, BIWEEKLY OR WEEKLY. AND DEPENDING ON WHAT THE SCOPE IS, YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET THE TIME TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JUST KIND OF LIKE -- YOU AND I HAD THESE KIND OF DISCUSSIONS AND YOU BACK IT UP, IT APPEARS THAT COUNCIL WAS ABLE TO APPOINT THE REPRESENTATIVES BY THIS NOVEMBER. AND THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO START THEIR WORK ROLLING INTO THE FIRST OF -- YOU KNOW, THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, THAT WOULD GIVE THEM, SAY, TEN-PLUS MONTHS TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THE WORK. I THINK IT DEPENDS ON WHAT WE ANTICIPATE THE SCOPE AND THE SCALE OF THIS PROCESS WILL BE. HOW MUCH OF THE CHARTER WILL WE REOPEN. WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO, YOUR LIGHT WAS ON. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: US THREE, VIERA, MIRANDA AND MYSELF. BECAUSE THE CHARTER HAVEN'T BEEN LOOKED AT SINCE '75, I THINK. I THINK THE WAY IT WAS SET UP WORKED. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE TIME PERIOD EXACTLY, BUT THEY HAD QUITE A FEW MEETINGS. IT WAS A VERY, VERY GOOD BOARD, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF GOOD -- I MEAN, YOU SAW WHO CAME OUT YOU HAVE THERE. A LOT OF ELECTED CAME OUT OF THERE OR CITY ATTORNEYS. ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. I LIKE HOW WE APPOINTED OUR ONE PERSON. I APPOINTED COUNCILMAN CARLSON. HE WAS THE ONLY PERSON THAT ASKED ME AND I APPOINTED HIM THE NEXT DAY. BUT WE WILL SEE -- LOOK, SEE, MAKING MAGIC HAPPEN. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WON BY UNANIMOUS VOTE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU WERE MY APPOINTEE. THERE WAS NO ISSUES. WE MAKE A MOTION TO BRING THIS BACK AT THE AUGUST 28 AUGUST MEETING FOR THE ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING THE CREATION THIS COMMISSION, NUMBER ONE. AND I GUESS BY NOVEMBER, AS WAS MENTIONED OR SOOP SOONER, EACH APPOINT OUR PERSON GOING BY THE SAME SET-UP AS IT DID BEFORE AND GIVE THE COMMISSION TEN MONTHS WHATEVER IT IS TO WORK AND MAKE IT TO THE DEADLINE OF JANUARY OF '27. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MY VIEW OF THIS, I GO BACK WITH THE LAST ELECTION VOTE ON CHARTER AMENDMENTS. A LOT PROPOSED. I VOTED FOR PROBABLY 10% OF THEM. THE ONES I VOTED FOR, I STUCK WITH, AND WHEN THE MAYOR VETOED THEM. I CHOSE TO OVERRIDE THE VETO ON FOUR OR FIVE OF THEM. FOLKS THAT SAY DON'T TOUCH THE CHARTER, IT IS THE CONSTITUTION. IT IS NOT THE 66 BOOKS OF THE BIBLE, WHATEVER. IT IS NOT. IT IS JUST NOT. THAT IS JUST SILLY. ON THE OTHER HAND I DON'T SUPPORT RADICAL OR EXTREME CHANGES OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. IF YOU HAVE THINGS ARE MORE MODERATE CHANGES ON LIKE WE DID. I SUBJECT IN THE CHARTER AMENDMENT DAY TE-- ATTEMPTS. THINGS I CAN SUPPORT. BUT RADICAL CHANGES OF THE CHARTER, I DON'T SUPPORT. POTENTIAL MODERATE TO CONSERVE I HAVE, OF COURSE, I AM FINE WITH THAT. I HAVE A QUESTION IN TERMS 80 POINTIES -- IN TERMS OF LAST TIME COUNCIL-WIDE APPOINTEES. >> ALTERNATES. >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN GUDES WAS BY A 4-3 VOTE. IT JUST SEVEN? >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE ALTERNATES. THE QUESTION. BY THE WAY THE 28th WILL BE A VERY FULL DAY. TO BRING BACK AN ORDINANCE WOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM ON THE 28. ANY LONG DISCUSSION, REMEMBER OFF BIG MEETING THAT NIGHT. WE COULD SET -- IF IT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE. PUT THIS ON FOR THE 28th TO COME BACK WITH THE ORDINANCE TO ESTABLISH THE COMMITTEE. AND AUTHORIZE THE USE OF RESOLUTION TO CONTINUE THE WORK OF THE COUNCIL RATHER THAN HAVING TO DO IT ORDINANCE. OKAY. THE MEANTIME, I CAN WORK WITH THE CHAIR AND FRANKLY THIS MEANS WE WILL ENCOMPASS THE WORK OF THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AS CERTAINLY THEIR OWN QUESTIONS AS TO WHETHER THERE ARE THINGS THEY MAY WANT TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO GIVE TO THE CHARTER IN TERMS OF CLEANING UP THE CHARTER. THEY ARE THE SUBJECT SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS OF CLEANING IT UP TO THE LIKE. AND THE ADMINISTRATION, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND THE 28th, MR. CHAIRMAN, IS TO BEGIN THE PROCESS OF HOW COUNCIL WILL ULTIMATELY SIGN AN AGREEMENT FOR LEGAL COUNCIL AND SIGN AN AGREEMENT FOR FACILITAFACILITAT >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. SORRY. >>BILL CARLSON: ALL OF US HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS BEFORE. BUT THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE LAST COUPLE OF TIMES COUNCIL HAVE RECOMMENDED CHARTER CHANGES, BECAUSE THAT WAS SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT WAS PROPOSED. ALL WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING -- YOU ANNIVERSARY THIS LIST FROM LAST TIME, THERE ARE SOME GUIDELINES. AND I SUGGEST WHATEVER WE PUT IN THERE AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY WANT TO RECOMMEND. WHAT HAD TO HAPPEN WAS THAT THE COMMITTEE HAD TO HAVE A CONSENSUS TO RECOMMEND BACK TO COUNCIL AND COUNCIL HAD TO DISCUSS ON IT AND VOTE ON IT. COUNCIL HAS THE YOU WILL THE MAP APPROVAL TO PUT IT ON THE CHARTER, THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T. MY POINT IS WE ARE NO NOT RECOMMENDING LANGUAGE TO THEM. WE MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THEM LIKE THE BOARD DID LAST TIME. YOU SEE IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE LIST, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AREN'T REALLY SOLVED STILL. THE OTHER THING THAT THE COMMITTEE WILL BE A FILTER. THEY CAN TAKE THE TIME THAT WE CAN'T TO GO THROUGH NEW DEBT BREATH DETAIL TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES AND DEBATE THEM AND COME BACK TO US WITH AT THAT RECOMMENDATION. WE CAN STILL DEBATE THEM AND DISCUSS. THEM DON'T PUNT ANYTHING RIGHT IN THE CHART. OTHER THING IN THE MOTION IS THE SET RULES FOR HOW THEY WOULD OPERATE. LAST TIME I FELT LIKE THE CMARY O'CONNOR SULT CONTINUE AT HAD TOO MUCH POWER. AND STARTED COMING IN GIVING ADVICE THAT WAS NOT IN THE MOTION AND WAS NOT IN THE SET-UP OF IT. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CONSULTANT SAID IS INSTEAD OF HAVING A CHAIR, THE CONSULTANT WILL JUST LEAD IT. I THOUGHT WE MISSED OUT BY HAVING CHAIR. LYNN STEPPED UP AFTERWARDS AND WAS KIND OF THE SPOKESPERSON FOR THE GROUP, BUT THERE WAS NO OFFICIAL CHAIR. HARD TO RUN A DISCUSSION WOULDN'T SOMEBODY BEING CHAIR. THE OTHER THING THE CONSULTANT AT BEGINNING -- IN THE FIRST MEETING RECOMMENDED SOUP IRMAJORITY VOTE BECAUSE IT IS CORMING TO COUNCIL. SUPERMAJORITY MEANT THE MAYOR HAD VETO POWER. ANYTHING THAT THE SITTING MAYOR DIDN'T LIKE WOULDN'T GO THROUGH. DIDN'T MEAN THAT THE GROUP DIDN'T AGREE WITH IT BUT GAVE TOO MUCH POWER TO ONE PERSON. I THINK A MAJORITY WILL BE FINE. HAVING CHAIR WILL BE A GOOD IDEA. I WANT -- THE OTHER THING IS, WE NEED A LIST. REALLY A LIST OF QUESTIONS. OTHER THING TO THE POINT OF, DON'T TOUCH THE CHARTER. THAT CAME UP BY THIS ADMINISTRATION WHEN THEY DIDN'T LIKE WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING. THREE OUT OF FOUR PASSED. AND THE LAST TIME THEY WANTED A CHARTER CHANGE. AND DIDN'T BRING A LINE OF PEOPLE THAT CHARTER CHANGE WAS BAD IDEA LIKE THE FIRST BECAUSE THEY WANTED THE CHARTER CHANGE WHICH MEANS DISINGENUOUS ALL THE TIME. THE CHARTER HAS TO BE UPDATED. EVEN THE U.S. CONSTITUTION HAS THE ABILITY TO BE MODIFIED TIME AFTER TIME. AND THIS CHARTER WASN'T WRITTEN HOW IT WAS PURCHASE. WE VOTED TO HAVE IT GENDER NEUTRAL BECAUSE SAID "HE" EVERYWHERE. AND SPECIFIC LANGUAGE OF DEPARTMENTS THAT DIDN'T EXIST ANYMORE. ANYWAY, SHOP SUGGESTIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AGREE. I THINK A CHAIR WOULD BE VERY USEFUL IN COUNCIL MEMBER SKARLZ RIGHT, SUPERMAJORITY CUT THE CONVERSATION. IT WAS CONSTANTLY A 5-4 -- NO SUPERMAJORITY WOULD HAVE BEEN SEVEN INSTEAD OF SIX. >>BILL CARLSON: SIX WOULD HAVE TO BE. >>LYNN HURTAK: BECAUSE THEY ARE A RECOMMENDING BODY. WE ARE THE ONES THAT DECIDE WHAT ACTUALLY GOES FORWARD. AND SO WE NEED A SUPERMAJORITY TO ACTUALLY GET ANYTHING THROUGH. BECAUSE IF THE MAYOR WERE TO EVENTO IT, WE WOULD NEED THAT. I REALLY THINK BECAUSE THE QUOTE, UNQUOTE, HEAVY LIFT WAS DONE BY THE PREVIOUS CHARTER AND WE HAD 18 AMENDMENTS. SIM SIMPLE. TAKE THE DEPARTMENTS. MAKING IT GENDER NEUTRAL. WE HAD SOMETHING -- PRINT IN THE NEWSPAPER AND DIDN'T MENTION THE INTERNET WHERE NOW WE ARE PUTTING STUFF ON THE INTERNET. JUST TRYING TO NEUTRALIZE A LOT OF THAT LANGUAGE FROM AGE. I THINK WE DID THE VERY HEAVY LIFT. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE ARE ABLE -- THAT THIS COMMISSION IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF LOOK AT OTHER THINGS OTHER THAN THAT. WE HAD TO DEVOTE SO MUCH TIME TO THOSE SMALL YET MIGHTY HEAVY LIFTS THAT THIS WOULD -- THIS WILL BE INTERESTING. SO I DO AGREE WITH BOTH OF THOSE THINGS. BUT GOING BACKWARD AND YOU MAY OR MAY NOT REMEMBER NOT DON'T, ONLY DID WE HAVE TO APPROVE IT AND COUNCIL HAD TO APPROVE, THEN IT HAD TO GO THE CITY ATTORNEY WHERE THEY FIGURED OUT LANGUAGE AND THEN APPROVE THAT AGAIN. TEN MONTHS -- WE DON'T HAVE TEN MONTHS. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE TEN MONDAYS. WE NEED TO HAVE THIS IN FRONT OF US FOR FIRST CONSIDERATION PROBABLY NO LATER THAN OCTOBER 1. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT IS TEN MONTHS. >>LYNN HURTAK: NINE MONTHS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU START FROM JANUARY -- IF WE APPOINT THE PEOPLE BY NOVEMBER -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY BE COUNCIL TEAS DECISION TO DECIDE IT IS GOING TO BE -- THIS IS VERY BECAUSE YOU RAISED THE ISSUE OF THE CHAIR. MULTIPLE RESOLUTION THAT THIS COUNCIL PASSED AND THIS 588 IF YOU LOOK AT THE BACK OF THE STRIKE-THROUGHS OF WHAT COUNCIL AGREED UPON AND PASSED AND THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION AND COUNCIL ITSELF. SECTION 6 ON PAGE OF TWO THE EXHIBIT ACTUALLY STRUCK THE DECISION THAT COUNCIL HAD PREVIOUSLY MADE TO SELECT A CHAIRPERSON. AND A VICE CLAIREHAIRPERSON. OTHER THING IN TERMS OF THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, I HAD THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO ANDREA ZELMAN, THE STYE C-- THE CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT THIS. IT TURNS OUT SYSTEMIC ISSUES NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE CHARTER NOT WITH POLICY BUT HOUSEKEEPING. ALL THE SPECIAL ACTS OF WHAT PART B OF THE CHARTER IS, WHICH CREATES A LOT OF CONFUSION BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO REFERENCE TWO SEPARATE PARTS OF THE CHARTER. HEAVY LIFTING, YOU MIGHT WANT TO ASK THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO DO THAT KIND OF HOUSEKEEPING, BECAUSE THEY OFFERED TO DO IT -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: STRUCTURAL CHANGES. >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN WE ASK FOR THEIR SUGGESTIONS ON STRUCTURAL CHANGES SO WE CAN PUT THAT IN THE SCOPE? >>MARTIN SHELBY: ABSOLUTELY. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO I WOULD -- THAT IS A MOTION I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE TODAY THEN AFTER WE APPROVE OF THIS IS TO I AM GOING TO DO IT RIGHT NOW BEFORE I FORGET. I MAKE A MOTION TO ASK THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT -- SORRY, IT HAS BEEN A REALLY LONG BIKE. ASK THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO SUBMIT THEIR SUGGESTIONS SCOPE OF REVIEW FOR THE CITY'S CHART BY FOCUSING ON STRUCTURAL CHANGES BY -- GIVE ME A DATE, Y'ALL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OCTOBER 9. YOU WANT SOONER -- >>LYNN HURTAK: OCTOBER 2 -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OF THIS YEAR? >>LYNN HURTAK: WE NEED TO GET THIS STARTED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COMMITTEE WON'T BE PUT TOGETHER UNTIL NOVEMBER AND IT MUST BE JANUARY AND FEBRUARY. >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT WE NEED TO PUT IT IN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SEPTEMBER 18 OR OCTOBER 9 HURTAK OCTOBER 9 AS A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION TO FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. O'ER POSED. AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY. >>LYNN HURTAK: ADDITIONAL LEGAL AND I WOULD LOVE -- I KEPT ALL MY BOOKS. I HAVE ALL OF MY GIANT BOOKS FROM THAT. IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN GET A STRIKE-THROUGH COUNTRY CHANGES THAT THE 2018 CHARTER COMMISSION DID TO THE -- TO THE ACTUAL CHARTER? I THINK THAT WILL BE VERY BENEFICIAL. IF WE WERE ABLE TO SEE WHAT ACTUALLY WAS CHANGED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE DOCUMENT MUST LIVE IN THE OR CHIVES FOR SURE. >>LYNN HURTAK: IT DOES. I AM JUST NOT SURE WHERE. I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO ASK STAFF -- I AM ASSUMING THAT WILL BE THE CLERK'S DEPARTMENT, BUT I AM NOT POSITIVE, TOP PROVIDE CITY COUNCIL WITH A COPY OF A COPY OF THE STRIKE-THROUGH LANGUAGE OF THE CHARTER APPROVAL OF 2019 BY THAT STAPLE DATE -- AGAIN, AS STAFF REPORT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A WRITTEN STAFF REPORT. >>LYNN HURTAK: WRITTEN STAFF REPORT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. AYES HAVE IT. >>BILL CARLSON: MAYBE UP GOING TO SAY THIS -- WERE YOU GOING TO ASK THE MAYOR'S OFFICE TO GIVE A LIST. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. >>BILL CARLSON: ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE TO CLEAR UP IN THE CHARTER BECAUSE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TECHNICALLY REPRESENTS BOTH OF US. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL CLOSE THE LOOP AND MAKE A MOTION TO ASK THEED A ORGANIZATION IN COMMIT THEIR LIST OF -- >>BILL CARLSON: RECOMMENDED CHANGES TO THE CHARTER. >>LYNN HURTAK: RECOMMENDED -- THEY ARE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE CHARTER BY THE SAME DATE WHICH IS OCTOBER 9, ALSO AS WRITTEN REPORT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. >>BILL CARLSON: REMEMBER THEY HAVE TO DEBATE IT AND WE HAVE TO DEBATE. NOT CHANGING IT BUT RECOMMENDING A QUESTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS A DISCUSSION WHAT WILL BE GOING IN THE SCOPE THAT GETS PRESENTED FOR THE REVIEW -- NOT THE ACTUAL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ON OCTOBER 9 WITH THE SCOPE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: BY THAT POINT. IF I CAN FINISH -- CLOSE THE LOOP ON THIS. ON THE 28th, WE STILL HAVE TO MAKE THAT MOTION, MADAM CLERK, TO COME BACK ON THE 28th OR WAS THAT DONE? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I HAVEN'T DONE IT YET. >>MARTIN SHELBY: HERE IS THE THING THING. BY THE OCTOBER DATE, THAT ORDINANCE WILL ALREADY HAVE BEEN ADOPT AND THAT COMMITTEE WILL BE IN EXISTENCE AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT I ALSO WANT TO -- WHILE I AM ON THE SAME TANGENT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO -- DO WE WANT TO DO THIS AT A WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS THESE OR WORK THESE -- TALK ABOUT IT DURING REGULAR SESSION. >>LYNN HURTAK: REGULAR SESSION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I AM JUST REMINDING COUNCIL THIS IS THE TIME OF DAY WILL GET TO IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: MAKE A MOTION ON OCTOBER 23 THAT WE DISCUSS THIS, BECAUSE IT WILL BE RIGHT AFTER WE GET THAT. WE WILL HAVE THAT INFORMATION AND WILL BE ABLE TO RESEARCH IT. IF YOU GIVE IT US TO FOR TOO LONG, WE WILL FORGET ABOUT IT. SO WE WILL HAVE A CONVERSATION ON THE 23rd, THAT WILL BE THE FIFTH STAFF REPORT AND ADD NO MORE STAFF REPORTS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND. >>LYNN HURTAK: SIX IN SOMEONE ELSE ADDED? OH, THAT WAS A WRITTEN. OKAY. BUT THAT COULD BE PRETTY QUICK. THAT WILL BE THE SIXTH AND FINAL STAFF REPORT OF THE DAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. OKAY MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE MAY HAVE TO COME BACK SOONER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING. >>MARTIN SHELBY: BECAUSE WE HAVE TO -- WE CAN NOT WAIT THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS. WE STILL HAVE TO COME BACK -- MAYBE COME BACK ON THAT, BUT WE MAY HAVE TO COME BACK -- AND WORK WITH THE CHAIR TO DO IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM NOT WHAT I AM SAYING. COME BACK TO TALK OF THIS SPECIFIC THING WHICH IS THE SCOPE OF REVIEW. >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO WE CAN BEGIN THE PROCESS OF SELECTING THE MEMBERS AND ALSO THE FACILITATOR AND THE LEGAL. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL SPECIFY MY MOTION ON OCTOBER 23, THEIR CITY COUNCIL WILL DISCUSS THE SCOPE OF REVIEW INCLUDING EVERYBODY ELSE'S OPTION -- OR RECOMMENDATIONS. THAT IS WHEN WE WILL BRING OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. WE WILL LOOK AT EVERYONE'S RECOMMENDATIONS, AND WE WILL HAVE A CONVERSATION JUST ABOUT THE SCOPE OF REVIEW. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION OR MODIFICATION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: INSTEAD OF SCOPE OF REVIEW, CALL IT RECOMMENDED ISSUES TO DISCUSS. >>LYNN HURTAK: RECOMMENDED ISSUES TO DISCUSS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND. >>MARTIN SHELBY: DIRECTION FOR THE UPCOMING CHARTER -- >>LYNN HURTAK: RECOMMENDED -- SAY THAT AGAIN? >>MARTIN SHELBY: I AM SORRY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. SHELBY, WHAT WE ARE GOING TO CREATE IS A RESOLUTION DEFINE ING -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU SEE WHAT IS IN THE PRESENT RESOLUTION IN 20 A 17, THERE ARE SEVERAL AREAS. >>LYNN HURTAK: ALL WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL SAY ON THE 23rd OF OCTOBER, COUNCIL WILL ADDRESS THE SCOPE OF THE -- THE SCOPE FOR THE RESOLUTION OR THE CREATION OF THE -- >>LYNN HURTAK: NO. IT IS THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE ARE ASKING THE CHARTER REVIEW TO REVIEW. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE MAIN TOPICS. >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU HAD A BETTER -- INSTEAD OF SCOPE -- >>BILL CARLSON: RECOMMENDED ISSUES TO DISCUSS. >>LYNN HURTAK: ON OCTOBER 23, WE WILL DISCUSS THE RECOMMENDED ISSUES USING INPUT FROM ALL OF THE AREAS WE HAVE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DON'T THINK ISSUE IS THE WORD. I THINK SCOPE IS THE APPROPRIATE WORD. >>BILL CARLSON: SCOPE IS REALLY NARROWLY DEFINED. WITH THE CALIBER OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE HOPE TO PUT ON THE COMMITTEE. WE SHOULD ALLOW THEM TO DISCUSS IT. I WANT TO PUT ONE THING ON THE FLOOR. ONE THING THAT WASTED A LOT OF TIME BROUGHT AN EXAMPLE OF ANOTHER CHARTER AND MADE US GO LINE BY LINE. MAYBE IT WAS NECESSARY AT THAT TIME. THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO LINE BY LINE. THEY CAN START WITH THE ISSUES AND DISCUSS THEM AND MAYBE EVEN THE AGENDA THE FIRST FEW MEETINGS CAN DISCUSS OUR ISSUES AND THE LAST COUPLE, DISCUSS THEIR OWN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SAME HORRIBLE IF A TILL SAY THE AT THE CRA MEETING ? >>LYNN HURTAK: SHE WAS GREAT. SHE WAS PHENOMENAL. BUT WE DESPERATELY -- IT WAS ANTIQUATED. >>BILL CARLSON: WE GOT BOGGED DOWN GOING LINE BY LINE. TAKING THE PRONOUNS OUT, WE HAD TO GO LINE BY LINE. NEXT TIME THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO LINE BY LINE. AND DISCUSS THE QUESTIONS. THEY LEAD IT AND HAVE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS, THEY DON'T HAVE TO WASTE TIME TO GO LINE BY LINE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA AND AUTHENTICITY COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. >>LUIS VIERA: I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, SUPERMAJORITY TO GET SOMETHING TO CITY COUNCIL. UPON FIRST IMPRESSION, A SIMPLE MAJORITY WILL DO WELL, UPON FIRST IMPRESSION, BUT IF THEY COME BACK WITH WHATEVER, SOME OBSCENE NUMBER OF CHARTER AMENDMENTS TO LOOK LIKE IT IS PART OF SOME POLITICAL AGENDA OR WHATEVER, IT WILL NOT BE WELL TAKEN. IN OTHER WORDS, I -- I AM FAVORABLE TO WHAT Y'ALL ARE TALKING ABOUT SO LONG -- I WILL GIVE YOU A DOUBLE AND STRETCH IT TO A TRIPLE. THAT IS ALL I AM SAYING. >>LYNN HURTAK: MAJORITY IS 5-4. A SUPERMAJORITY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I AM GOING TO SUPPORT HER MOTION AND ACHE MA MOTION AFTER THAT FOR MR. SHELBY TO COME BACK WITH AN ORDINANCE ESTABLISHING THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, PLEASE RHESTATE YOUR MOTION. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, I MOTION THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT OUR -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOALS AND OBJECTIVES. >>LYNN HURTAK: -- GOALS AND OBJECTING OBJECTIVES,/SCOPE FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION TO CONSIDER, INCLUDING ALL YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION WE ARE RECEIVING VIA STAFF REPORT ON OCTOBER 9 AT OUR OCTOBER 23 MEETING IN ADDITION TO -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND. >>LYNN HURTAK: -- DO YOU WANT ME TO DO THAT SEPARATELY? TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF STAFF REPORTS? THAT IS MY MOTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I LIKE THAT. A MOTION BY COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. AYES HAVE IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: VERY QUICKLY TO LIMIT THE STAFF REPORTS -- NO MORE STAFF REPORTS FOR OCTOBER 23. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. AYES HAVE IT EWE A NUMBER A NUMBER NEWSLY. >>LYNN HURTAK: LET HIM MAKE HIS MOTION FIRST. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I ASK FOR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TO SET IT FOR FIRST READING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU. I MAKE A MOTION FOR MR. SHELBY TO COME BACK FOR AN ORDINANCE OF FIRST READING AT THE AUGUST 28 REGULAR MEETING TO ESTABLISH THE CITY OF TAMPA CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. >> SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE WORD -- THE TERM "HEAVY LIFTING" WAS MENTIONED EARLIER AND I THINK THE COMMISSION FROM 2018, BEING THAT IT HAVEN'T BEEN TOUCHED SINCE THE '70s. A LOT OF THE HEAVY LIFT WELCOME DONE AND MORE OF A STREAMLINED PROCESS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT IS FRESHER. BUT IF WE -- THIS IS FOR LATER DISCUSSION, GET OUR APPOINTMENTS IN BY NOVEMBER, I THINK THE COMMISSION BEGINS IN JANUARY RIGHT AFTER CHRISTMAS. AND THEY WILL GET -- THEY WILL HIT THE GROUND RUNNING. WE WILL BE ON SCHEDULE AND WILL GIVE US TEN MONTHS. IF THERE ARE ISSUE, ANOTHER MONTH OR TWO BEFORE WE HAVE TO TAKE IT TO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION AND QUALIFYING AND ON THE BALLOT. I THINK THE KINKS WERE WORKED OUT IN THE PREVIOUS ONE. THAT SUPPLY MOTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: KNOCK ON WOOD. MOTIONING FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUS. MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU, COUNCIL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THING IS GOOD. WE ARE BEING PROACTIVE AHEAD. I ENCOURAGE YOU HOW ARE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS TO KEEP THAT GOING. THAT'S IT. LAST ITEM OF BUSINESS, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: WELL, I DO WANT TO PUNT ON COUNCIL'S RADAR. AND I AM NOT SURE HOW TO -- HOW TO YOU KEEP THIS -- THESE IDEAS OF -- AND IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL TALK ABOUT NEXT WEEK -- SORRY, THE 28th TO APPROVE THIS. THINGS LIKE THE CLEAR, THE NO SUPERMAJORITY. WE NEED TO START -- WE HAD AN E-MAIL, I WANT TO SAY, BEFORE THAT WAS DEDICATED JUST TO SUGGSS OR IF WE DIDN'T, WE NEED HAVE ONE, THAT IS FOCUSED ON THE CHARTER REVIEW FOR THIS YEAR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE OF TWO YOU GUYS ON IT. I THINK YOUR INPUT WILL BE INVALUABLE AND BECAUSE TO WORK WITH THE NUTS AND BOLTS AND BUMPS. SO MAYBE WHEN YOU GUYS COME TO THE -- >>LYNN HURTAK: I HATE TO WAIT UNTIL -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY SUGGESTION IS, WE CAN START THAT DISCUSSION ON AUGUST 28, BECAUSE I AM GOING. BY THE WAY, I AM GOING TO ASK ALL OF YOUR PLEASE, TO TAKE A LOOK -- RELY ON WHAT WAS DECIDED BUT AT THE KIND OF THINGS THAT WERE GIVEN. KIND OF THINGS, FOR INSTANCE, THERE SAYS THEY SHALL MEET AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH A SMORE IF THEY DESIRE DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR SCOPE IS. IF YOU REKRUPT PEOPLE, YOU MAY HAVE TO MEET TWICE A WEEK OR TWICE A MONDAY WITH THE. PLEASE TAKE LOOK AT THOSE. DON'T -- LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. AND SEE WHAT YOUR OWN INPUT IS AND COME TO A CONSENSUS SO I CAN COME BACK ON THE 28th TO OF THE PEOPLE YOU ARE RECRUITING OR RECOMMENDING AND SOLICIT AND ASK TO BE APPOINTED SO YOU CAN TELL THEM WHAT THEY ARE SIGNING UP FOR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, YOU REMINDED ME. THIS IS NOT THIS ADMINISTRATION, BUT A PRIOR ADMINISTRATION. THEY REFUSED TO ADVERTISE IT AT ALL. WE EVEN MADE A MOTION WHICH WE APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY TO ASK THEM TO PUT IT ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE AS AN EVENT AND THEY REFUSED TO DO THAT. AS A RESULT, WE HAD TWO MEETINGS THAT HAD ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC. IN EACH CASE ONE PERSON WHO HAD A SPECIFIC AGENDA ORGANIZED PEOPLE TO SHOW UP AND PROPOSE THOSE ITEMS. ENDED UP THAT TWO APPLICATION WERE ON THERE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION DIDN'T WANT. HAD THEY ADVERTISED IT, MORE DIVERSITY OF PEOPLE SHOWING TOUM DO INPUT. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM. DW I DON'T THINK THAT THEED A WRRGS WOULD DO THAT . >>ALAN CLENDENIN: REMIND ME. >>LYNN HURTAK: LAST WEEK OF OCTOBER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET THEIR PERSON. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE ONLY THING I DID WANT TO SAY. I COMPLETELY AGREE NOT ONLY THE ADVERTISING BUT THE SOCIAL MEDIA. SO WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR THAT -- I AM TAKING NOTE. I WILL KEEP THESE. BUT I DO BELIEVE WHEN YOU TALK TO YOUR FOLKS, YOU SHOULD TALK ABOUT THEM ABOUT TWICE A MONTH. AND ONLY BECAUSE WHEN OFF MONTH BETWEEN, IT IS REALLY HARD TO REMEMBER. AND THAT WAY IF THEY END EARLY, WAHOO. IF THEY DON'T, THEY REALLY HAVE TIME. I AM TERRIFIED OF THE TIME HERE. SO IF WE DO TWICE A MONTH, THEN THEY -- THEY MIGHT JUST BE DONE. MAC MACHINE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF COUNCIL IS FOLLOWING PUT INTO INTO THE ORDINANCE I CAN PUT THAT IN THE ORDINANCE WHEN TO COMES BACK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LOOKING AT THIS, WE HAVE LOOK AT THE FACIL FACILITATOR, ATTORNEY, OTHER EXPENSES, LUNCH. >>LYNN HURTAK: THEY WERE EVENING MEETINGS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, TO FOLLOW. YOU AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW AND FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW. THE CHARTER DOES STATE -- AND NECESSARY FUNDING SHOULD BE PROVIDED TO PROVIDE FULL TRANSPARENCY AND CITIZEN PARTICIPATION IN THE CHARTER REVIEW PROCESS. THAT IS IN THE CHARTER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU ALREADY HAD ONE PERSON CONTACTED ME INTERESTED IN BEING APPOINTED. LAST TIME COUNCILMAN CARLSON CALLED ME THE NIGHT BEFORE EATING FRENCH TOAST ON FOWLER AVENUE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PLAIN FRENCH TOAST. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLAIN FRENCH TOAST. NOT 2018 ANYMORE AS -- I WISH IT WERE. PUBLIC MEETINGS ARE VERY, VERY BUSY. I WOULD THINK MORE PUBLIC PAFRPGS. ADVERTISING. WHY? BECAUSE WE WANT PEOPLE INQUIRING. THIS A BIG DEAL, THE CITY OF TAMPA CONSTITUTION. WE DIDN'T ADDRESS FROM SINCE THE 1970S. AND COUNCIL MEMBER KAPIN THAT BROUGHT THUMB. IT WAS OUTDATED. IT NEEDED A REFRESHING. THAT WE DO IT ON A REGULAR BASIS, WE WON'T HAVE THESE -- LIKE I SAID IT MIGHT SHALL MORE CON CEASE AND THAT HEAVY LIFT SOMETHING OUT OF THE WAY. AND A MUCH SMOOTHER PROCESS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU LIKE, YOU CAN GIVE MORE CONSIDERATION INDIVIDUALLY OF HOW YOU WANT TO SOLICIT PARTICIPATION FOR MEMBERSHIP. AND IF YOU HAVE DIRECTION AND A CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL. I CAN PUNT THAT IN A RESOLUTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: JUST WITHIN MORE THING. WE WILL WON'T GO THROUGH THE ISSUES WE SUGGEST NOW. I HIRE LAWYERS TO LOOK AT CONTRACTS, FOR EXAMPLE A CONTRACT -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU AGREE WITH THIS. BUT THE CONTRACT, YOU MAY HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP ON THE WAY IN, BUT YOU HAVE TO WRITE IT TOICS IT. THE MOST IMPORTANT THING DO YOU WHO YOU SOLVE CON FLICKED AND HOW DO YOU EXIT. AHOSPITALS OF THE CONFLICT OVER THE LAST 16 OR SO YEARS SOME OF IT IS ILL DEFINED. FIXES SOME OF THOSE PROBLEMS WITHOUT GOING INTO DETAIL. ALSO PUTTING LIMITS LIKE NOT ALLOWING A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER TO WIN THE KARAOKE CONTEST TWO YEARS IN A ROW. [LAUGHTER] >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK SOMEBODY SHOULD BE DISQUALIFIED FROM THE COMPETITION BECAUSE OF PROFESSIONAL TRAINING. SHE IS NOT AN AMATEUR. SHE IS NOW A PROFESSIONAL. SHE IS NOT AN AMATEUR. I CALL FOR DISQUALIFICATION. >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY SIR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I CALL FOR A URINE TEST. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN I ASK MISS SHARP TO BRING ME MY MOTIONS FOLDER. I FORGOT. >>LUIS VIERA: COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID, SOMETHING REASONABLY UNFORESEEABLE. IN MICE CASES, 15 PAGES. THEY ARE AWFUL AND BRUTAL. SOMETHING LIKE AS LONG AS IT IS REASONABLY FORESEEABLE, YEAH, I THINK THAT IS FINE. CLENDENIN OKAY. IS THAT IT. ARE WE DONE WITH THIS? NUT ASIDE. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT A GREAT CONVERSATION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT WAS GREAT CONVERSATION. NEW BUSINESS. START ON THIS SIDE. WILL MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MAKE A MOTION OFF-SITE ACCOMMODATION FOR BAPTIST INSTITUTION CHURCH IN CELEBRATION OF 160th BIRTHDAY. >>BILL CARLSON: A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. AYES HAVE IT. IS THAT ALL. COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I STARTED TO SEE WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA CHOIR. WHERE IT ALL BEGAN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHERE IT ALL BEGAN. DIDN'T SERVE YOU VERY WELL AT FOREST HILLS, DID IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE MAKE A MOTION. I ALREADY SPOKE SOME OF THE ATTORNEYS AND YOU FLARED CHIEF BENNETT. MAKE A MOTION FOR A WRITTEN REPORT ON ZION CEMETERY AT THE SEPTEMBER 18 REGULAR SESSION MEETING TO GIVE US AN UPDATE AND STAT US IT WHAT IS HAPPENING. AGAIN, I ALREADY TALKED TO SOME OF THEM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VERY GOOD MOTION. COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: I WAS GOING TO SAY OUT OF FUNDING, I SPEAK THIS OUT OF PURELY IGNORANCE. AGAIN, $8 MILLION. IS COUNTY LOOKING AT HELPING AT THAT? MANI . >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MY QUESTION. I WAS REACH TO MR. HEARNS. IS THAT A MASTER PLAN AND WITH THE HOUSING AUTHORITY, DO THEY START DEMOLISHING THOSE AND SAY THIS IS SACRED GROUND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE LAST I SAW THAT WAS THE PLAN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT DOES THAT $8 MILLION ENTAIL. >>LUIS VIERA: WE CAN GET DIFFERENT BUCKETS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LAST I SAW THEY WILL TAKE THOSE BUILDINGS AND NOT BUILD ON IT. >>LUIS VIERA: WE ALL AGREE IF THAT IS THE PANEL WILL AND THE PLAN THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS. I WAS TOUCH BY EVERYBODY. JARVIS, HE REALLY TOUCHED ME. BUT, YEAH, I AM FUNDED, MAN, HOWEVER. I DON'T CARE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. AYES HAVE IT. IS THAT PAUL? COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: WITH -- [ LAUGHTER ] -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LOOK AT THE TROPHY I GOT. >>LYNN HURTAK: FOREST HILLS TROPHY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT IS THE PICTURE? >>LYNN HURTAK: A PICTURE OF ALL OF US SING. OUR ALBUM COVER. THIS WILL BE THE COVER OF NEXT YEAR'S POSTER TO ENCOURAGE ALL OF US TO GO. >>MARTIN SHELBY: PRO -- WHO PRODUCED THAT? >>LYNN HURTAK: FOREST HILLS SHELBY WHERE IS IT AVAILABLE. >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE US SING, GO TO LUIS VIERA'S FACEBOOK. HE HAD THE VIDEO UP AND OTHERS MAY HAVE IT UP AS WELL. A REALLY FUN TIME. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT WASN'T ABOUT THE CONTEST. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO. BUT I WAS JUST SAYING TO PEOPLE I DON'T KNOW OF ANY CITY OUR SIZE WHERE ALL OF US CAN GET TOGETHER AND BE -- AND DO SOMETHING THAT QUITE FRANKLY WAS -- I MEAN, WE JUST -- I MEAN -- IT WAS A FUN ACTIVITY. AND IT WAS -- IT WAS SELF-DEPRECATING BUT IT WAS OUT THERE JUST TO HAVE FUN. I WANTED TO SAY HOW MUCH I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT AND ENJOY WORKING WITH EVERYONE. BECAUSE IT IS JUST -- THAT IS THE KIND OF STUFF THAT MAKES THIS FUN. AND PARTICULARLY, YOU KNOW, FOREST HILLS, THEY ARE ALWAYS OUT FOR A GREAT TIME. A WONDERFUL SPACE. IF YOU LIKE KARAOKE. THEY DO IT THE FIRST FRIDAY OF EVERY MONTH AT 6 P.M., DOES IT BEGIN? 6 P.M. DON'T BE A STRANGER. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT WILL LOW CHASE IS THAT? >>LYNN HURTAK: THE GOLF COURSE, THEIR CLUBHOUSE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU. >>BILL CARLSON: FUN TO LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT SHOWED UP. PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT ISSUES. SHOWED UP TO SEE HOW FUNNY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HALF OF PUBLIC COMMENT WAS THERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT MADE IT FUN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY SAW US IN DIFFERENT LIGHT. NOT JUST SITTING UP HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY GOT TO SEE MY LEGS. >>LYNN HURTAK: SOMEBODY MADE THE COMMENT. I NEVER SEEN YOU IN SHORTS. WELL, IT WAS REALLY HOT BECAUSE IT WAS OUTSIDE. IT WAS NICE. UNDER FANS AN WONDERFUL AT TIMES. I AM GOING TO APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I HAVE A VERY LONG MOTION. FROM DIRECTOR FEELEY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GOOD LORD. >>LYNN HURTAK: TALKED OF DOING THE CITY OF TAMPA WORKSHOP. I MOVE REREVISE THE AGENDA FOR THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL SCHEDULED FOR SETTLEMENT 25, 2025 AT 9 A.M. TO CENTER AROUND LAND DEVELOPMENT AND PLAN REGULATED TOPICS ALLOWING US TO FOCUS ON KEY MATTERS THAT HAVE UPDATES AND POTENTIAL CLOSURE. TO THAT END, I MOVE FOR THE FOLLOWING ADJUSTMENTS. ITEM NUMBER ONE, RETAIN ITEM ONE, THE MAYOR'S HISPANIC HERITAGE AS SCHEDULED GIVEN SHORT DURATION AND IMPORTANCE IN RECOGNIZING HISPANIC HERITAGE MONTH. ITEM NUMBER TWO, DEFER ITEM NUMBER TWO, THE BIANNUAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT REPORT AND PRESENTATION TO A WORKSHOP IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY OF '26. SINCE THE STRENGTHS ALREADY INCLUDED IN A FY '26 BUDGET PROCESS AND NEW KISS CAL YEAR BEGINS OCTOBER 1, 2025. NEXT, COMBINE ITEM THREE -- EXCUSE ME, COMBINE ITEM THREE TO ITEM FIVE AS THEY WILL ADDRESS PART OF THE BROAD PRER JULY CYCLE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TEXT APPLICATION. THESE ITEMS ISSUE SHOULD BE PRESENTED UNDER ITEM FIVE. NEXT, REMOVE ITEM THREE -- THIS IS THE ONE WE WEREN'T AGE TO CONFIRM. SEAWALL AND DOCK USAGE IN RESIDENTIAL USES AS THE MATTER APPLES TO BE RESOLVED. WE DON'T KNOW. S THAT BEEN RESOLVED. >>BILL CARLSON: LEAVE THAT ONE OUT RIGHT NOW. I NEED TO TALK TO RON WIGGINTON. >>LYNN HURTAK: LEAVE THAT IN FOR RIGHT NOW? >>BILL CARLSON: HE WILL SEE IF THAT POSSIBLE. >>LYNN HURTAK: ADD THE FOLLOWING PRESENTATION TO THE SETTLEMENT 2025 AGENDA TO SUPPORT THE FOCUS. TEN-MINUTE PRESENTATION ON THE HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT. TEN-MINUTE PRESENTATION ON THE COASTAL ACTION PLAN. WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THAT. THE TAMPA HOPE REPORT PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED BY A MOTION BUT NOT YET SCHEDULED. AND THAT FOR THAT. TAKE UP ITEM 6, DISCUSSION ON SENATE 180 AS FIRST ITEM OF THE WORKSHOP. GIVEN THE TIME SENSITIVE OF NATURE LAST BRIEF UPDATE ON THE LIVE-LOCAL ACT PACED ONLY MODIFICATIONS. THIS MOTION WILL STREAMLINE THE AGENDA, CLOSE OUT OPEN ITEMS AND PROVIDE WITH SEVERAL CRITICAL PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT INITIATIVES. >> MY GOODNESS. THIS IS ALL GOOD BUT MAKES MY HEAD HURT. >> ASK A QUICK QUESTION. >> WHEN YOU TALK OF COASTAL AREA ACTION RECOMMENDATIONS. >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK IT IS THE ACTUAL PANEL WILL. BEFORE THAT WAS SORT OF THE DRAFT PLAN. THIS ONE APPARENTLY THE PLAN IS DONE. >>BILL CARLSON: MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU TALKED OF MOVED BIANNUAL REPORT TO JANUARY OR FEBRUARY, BUT YOU DIDN'T GIVE SPECIFIC DIRECTION TO THAT YET. THAT IS HANGING OUT THERETO AS PART OF YOUR MOTION. IT WILL FALL OFF -- IF YOUR MOTION IS TO REMOVE IT, IT WOULD BE WISE IF YOU WANT TO PLACE IT SOME PLACE AS A PLACEHOLDER. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL PUT IT SOMEWHERE IN HERE. LUCAS HARRIS, I WILL CHANGE THAT TO THE JANUARY 29 WORKSHOP. CLENDENIN WE HAVE A MOTION TO AMEND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. AND SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. THE AYES HAVE IT. MOTION TO ADOPT THE AMENDED RESOLUTION. ALL NOSE FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED, THE AYES HAVE IT. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR. A COUPLE OF QUICK ONCE. AND FUNNY BY WAY, SPEAKING OF KARAOKE. I NEVER VERY PLANNED SONGS BUT I WAS GOING TO SING "I AM A ROCK" BY SIMON AND GARFUNKEL AND "TALK DIRTY TO KNEE". >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ONLY REASON YOU DIDN'T WIN. >>LUIS VIERA: CC PICKED UP THE GUITAR. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK DID A SGRAET JOB. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LIKE BEING AT A LYNN HURTAK CONCERT. I SAT THERE WITH IS A SMILE ON MY FACE THE WHOLE TIME. I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT I SIT NEXT TO THIS WOMAN AND SHE SINGS LIKE THIS THIS. CRAZY. IT WAS BEAUTIFUL. SO BEAUTIFUL. >>LUIS VIERA: FOREST HILLS, THEY ARE GREAT, GREAT PEOPLE HERE. WE STARTED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. I WOULD GO THERE FOR KARAOKE AND I INVITED GUID, TO COME OUT AND WE HAD THIS LAME KARAOKE AND COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN CAME. AND IT WAS COOL AND EVERYBODY COMES AND HANS GREAT TIME. COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO GOING AND GOLD REST HER SOUL. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. UNDERSTANDING THAT A PARK BENCH -- IF WE PUT A NAME ON A PARK BENCH. NOT A PROPERTY RENAMING, RIGHT? THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT. SO I -- I AM NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION. A YOUNG MAN GABE +LEAN, GOD REST HIS SOUL. HE PASSED ON ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO. AN EAGLE SCOUT. HIS FAMILY HAVE VERY ACTIVE AND I WORKED WITH HIS FRANCE RO WONDERFUL, WONDERFUL PEOPLE AND EMPT YEAR THEY DO A BLOOD DROVE ATS MOSQUE AND DIFFERENT THINGS. I WANTED A PARK BENCH RENAMING. NO MOTION YET, I WILL DO IT NEXT WEEK SO YOU CAN HAVE THE FULL INFORMATION. THAT IS IMPORTANT EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT -- AND THEN, I WILL DO A MOTION FOR A WRITTEN REPORT ONLY THE STATUS COUNTRY-THROUGH TO K-BAR RANCH TO TAMPA FIRE WITH THE RESPONSE TIMES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DIDN'T WE HAVE THAT? >>LUIS VIERA: THEY ARE TELLING TWO AND A HALF YEARS. IT IS GOING TO BE LIKE A LONG TIME. I WANT TO -- WANT TO PUNT THAT ON OUR RADAR AND MAN IN PERSON REPORT. AND I WOULD HAVE THAT ON -- YEAH, IT WILL BE LIKE TWO YEARS WHICH IS OBSCENE, I HEAR. YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S DO IT -- LET'S -- SEPTEMBER 4. AGAIN IT IS A WRITTEN REPORT, IF I MAY. MIRANDA SECOND CLENDENIN A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA AND IS SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYES HAVE IT. >>LUIS VIERA: MOVING ITS DISABILITY APPRENTICE HYMN IS WILL RESULTS IN FIDUCIARY OVERSIGHT WITHIN THE HUMAN RESOURCESERS SIMILAR TO THE COLLEGE INTERNSHIP. CONTACT MISS WNN. IF I AM NOT MISSING SOMETHING, IT IS NOT A YES OR NO. CONTINUE INTO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AUGUST -- -- AUGUST 28 FOR A MOTION FOR A BETTER RESPONSE ON THIS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHEN I READ IT, IT SOUNDED LIKE THEY WOULD JUST PUT THERE. I TREAD AS, OKAY, WE CAN JUST SLIDE IT ON IN THERE. >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL TREAD IN THE MOST AMOUNT OPTIMISTIC WAY AND I WILL MEET WITH MISS WNNN AND JUST COME FIRM. SHELBY MR. VIERA, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO TAKE UP AT A BUDGET PUBLIC HEARING AN THE TIME TO CONFIRM THAT AND I WILL TALK TO MISS VAS KEY. AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL NEEDS TO TAKE ACTION ON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF FUNDING IS AVAILABLE TO IN THE REQUESTED BUDGET. >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK YOU ALREADY FUNDED IT. >>LUIS VIERA: THIS IS THE MESSED UP THING. FUNDED THROUGH SOCIAL ACTION WHATEVER, RIGHT. AND THEN THE ADMINISTRATION TELLS US THAT YOU ARE CARPED AT $100,000 FOR EACH PERSON. THAT INCLUDES THE SPECIAL NEEDS INTERNSHIP. THAT IS WHY AMONG A LOT OF THE REASONS I AM NOT MIAMI, BECAUSE THAT RULE IN EFFECT GETS RED OF THE FUNDING BUT THEN THE QUESTION MAY BE ASKED, WHY FUND IT IF THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HIRE INTERNS. THAT IS THE US FROM REHABILITATION. LAYERED IF SAND WITCH OF FRUSTRATION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MEET WITH MISS COPESKY AND TO WIRE HER IN ON THIS ISSUE. >>LUIS VIERA: AND MOTION, GRAHAM HAMPTON. I REMEMBER GOING TO A CANDIDATE FORUM YEARS AGO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I FELT LIKE I WAS IN ATLANTA BY THE TIME -- ITS EDGE OF PASCO COUNTY. >>LUIS VIERA: IT IS. YOU HAVE PASCO COUNTY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GO INTO PASCO TO GET INTO THERE. >>LUIS VIERA: THEY HAVE A CHARTER SCHOOL BEING BUILT. NORTHTH NORTH WOOD CHARTER SCHOOL BELT UP NEXT YEAR. AND A LOT OF CONCERN FROM HAMPTON RESIDENTS ON THE TRAFFIC WILL BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AND THE NEED TO POTENTIAL LEGAL HAVE AFTER TRAFFIC LIGHT AT 517 COUNTYLINE ROAD. I ALREADY SENT INFORMATION TO GET IN TOUCH WITH LAURA MALLOY AND CHRIS HAYNES AT GRAND HAMPTON WITH THE POTENTIAL OF A LIGHT AT THIS LOCATION. MY UNDER STAN STANDING IT IS CITY. FOR THE CITY TO WORK WITH THE GOVERNMENT ENTITY PASCO, HILLSBOROUGH, ALABAMA OR WHOEVER TO GET A LIGHT THERE. THIS IS RELATIVELY EASY. NOT TO GET THE LIGHT, BUT EFFORTS MADE TO REPORT BACK TO US. AND I HAVE THIS COMING BACK TO US, PLEASE, ON -- SEPTEMBER 11 WRITTEN REPORT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. SEPTEMBER 11 IS A -- A CRA FOR THE DAY. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SEPTEMBER 18. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO SAY MEND PT PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED MOTION FOR THE DATE OF SEPTEMBER 18. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. THE AYES HAVE IT. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK GOD. [LAUGHTER] >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK WE ALL GOT THREE YEARS OLDER. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: EXACTLY. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: EVERY TEN YEARS WITH THIS KIND OF TALK. >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT MY FORM FOR NUMBER 33 TODAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. AYES HAVE IT. >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE STATE NAT KARAOKE CONTEST WAS UNFAIR BECAUSE CHARLIE WAS TELLING TO MANY JOKES THAT I COULDN'T SING. I WAS LAUGH TOO WERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT IS YOUR EXCUSE. THAT IS A LIE, BECAUSE I NEVER HEARD CHARLIE MIRANDA TELL A JOKE THAT I ACTUALLY LAUGHED AT. [LAUGHTER] >>BILL CARLSON: CHARLIE WAS MAKING ME LAUGH SO MUCH MY FACE WAS SORE WHEN I LEFT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OH, MY WORD. HE USES THE SAME MATERIAL ON ME. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, PLEASE. CAN I GET RECOGNIZED? >>LYNN HURTAK: RECOGNIZE YOU, CHAIR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY. YOU JUST REMINDED ME OF ONE. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR MOBILITY TO PROVIDE A WRITTEN REPORT ON SEPTEMBER 18 ABOUT MOVING THE C CROSSWALK ON BAYSHORE BOULEVARD AND TWO BREVARD AND SWANN OF SWANNEN SW SWANN. I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THERE WAS A RUMOR OF PUTTING A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE WHICH WILL BE CHAOTIC FOR THE TRAFFIC AT THAT THE INTERSECTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU ARE UP. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE TO SAY THIS. CAN THIS BE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ANSWERED IN A PHONE CALL. YOU TRIED? I GET IT. MOTION BY CHAIR CLENDENIN. SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. FAVOR. AND -- [GAVEL SOUNDING]