TO CALL CITY COUNCIL BACK TO ORDER. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE. >>NAYA YOUNG: HERE. >>LUIS VIERA: HERE. >>BILL CARLSON: HERE. >>CLERK: YOU HAVE A QUORUM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO HAS ENTERED THE ROOM. WE LET OFF WITH ITEM NUMBER 55. FIRST READING CONSIDERATION. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. ANDREA ZELMAN, CITY ATTORNEY. WELCOME TO COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG. I ASKED CAMARIA TO GIVE ME A FEW MINUTES. SOME OF YOU I BRIEFED SOME OF THE ISSUES BEFORE BUT I ASK YOU TO INDULGE ME AND GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND BEFORE CAMARIA WALKS YOU THROUGH THE ORDINANCE PARTLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR NEWEST COUNCIL MEMBER AND TO RESPOND TO SOME ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED RECENTLY AS THIS MORNING. I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDING AND SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY TO THE QUESTION OF, WHY DID WE HIRE OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO BECOME THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE AND WHAT DOES ALL THAT MEAN. SO JUST FOR BACKGROUND, APRIL OF LAST YEAR -- A THANKS APRIL, WE WERE USING VOLUNTEER SPECIAL MAGISTRATES OR CODE ENFORCEMENT. AND FOR QUITE SOME TIME, WE WERE HAVING DIFFICULTY. WE NEEDED FOR. I THINK WE WERE DOWN TO TWO. THEY OBVIOUSLY HAD SCHEDULING CONFLICTS. THEY ARE NOT BEING PAID. YOU CAN'T BLAME THEM FOR SOMETIMES NOT SHOWING UP. CAMARIA AND SHE HAD ASSISTANTS WITH OTHERS IN MY OFFICE REACHING OUT TO PEOPLE THEY KNEW. WE COULDN'T FIND ANYONE WILLING TO BEEF UP OUR VOLUNTEER CORE. THAT WAS ONE ISSUE. BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT A LOT OF OUR HEARINGS WERE BEING CANCELLED BECAUSE DOWN TO TWO AND SOMETIMES ONE WOULDN'T SHOW UP. WE HAD AN 18-MONTH BACKLOG IN CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES. 18 MONTHS. AS I SAY TO YOU ALL WHENEVER I HAVE OPPORTUNITY, THERE IS NO PLACE OF HAVING A CODE IF WE CAN'T ENFORCE IT. WHEN WE CAN'T GET A CASE FOR HEARING FOR 18 MONTHS AFTER IT IS RIGHT FOR HEARING, THAT REALLY MAKES SOME OF OUR PROVISIONS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE POINT THEN. AND THEN THE FINAL POINT IS WE HAVE -- AND I DON'T -- I DON'T WANT TO EMBARRASS EVERYONE. I DON'T WANT TO NAME NAMES AND I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT CASES, BUT WE HAD A NUMBER OF CASES -- ONE AS RECENTLY AS YESTERDAY, WE GOT A COURT ORDER FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT IN AN ONGOING CASE WHERE THE JUDGE SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT THE ORDER ISSUED BY ONE OF OUR SPECIAL MAGISTRATES WAS DEFICIENT. I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO SPECIFICS BECAUSE THIS IS ONGOING LITIGATION. I HEARD COMMENTS TO THE EFFECT THAT NOW WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY DOING THIS WORK, IT IS LIKE A REAL COURT. IT IS NOT THE FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD ATMOSPHERE IT USED TO BE. WELL, IT IS A COURT. PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE BEING IMPACTED. AND ANYONE, WHETHER IT IS THE NEIGHBOR COMPLAINING ABOUT THE WHAT IS GOING ON AT THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE OR THE PERSON WHO HAS BEEN CITED SHOULD WANT THAT. YOU SHOULD WANT A PROFESSIONAL THAT UNDERSTANDS PROPERTY RIGHT MAKING THE DECISIONS ON CODE ENFORCEMENT MATTERS. ONE FINAL POINT TO THAT PART IN THE TIME WE WERE DISCUSSING AND GOING AHEAD AND HIRING AN OUTSIDE COUNCIL, THERE WAS A BILL PENDING IN LAST YEAR'S LEGISLATIVE SESSION THAT WOULD HAVE REQUIRED CODE ENFORCEMENT SPECIAL MAGISTRATES TO BE ATTORNEYS AND ENDED UP NOT MOVING FORWARD BUT ACTUALLY THAT KIND OF PIQUED THE IDEA THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND HIRE OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO BE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT MAGISTRATE. IT MAKES SENSE. THESE ARE PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS THAT ARE BEING IMPACTED. AS YOU RECALL BACK IN 2022, WE BROUGHT TO YOU A FORM AGREEMENT FOR OUTSIDE COUNSEL SERVICES. WE BROUGHT YOU A LIST OF LAW FIRMS THAT RESPONDED TO A RFQ. LAST JUNE, WE INCREASED THE ANNUAL AMOUNT THAT THOSE LAW FIRMS CAN CHARGE IN A GIVEN GIVEN YEAR, PARTLY TO COVER THIS ISSUE. ONE OF THE FIRMS THAT RESPONDED TO OUR RFQ WAS THE FIRM O OF TRASK DANO. THEY ARE WELL KNOWN AND A FIRM IN PINELLAS COUNTY THAT REPRESENTS AT LEAST 16 CITIES AS CITY ATTORNEY. AND THEN THERE IS FOUR CITIES IN WHICH THEY SERVE AS EITHER A CODE ENFORCEMENT SPECIAL MAGISTRATE OR THE LEGAL ADVISOR TO A CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD. JUST TO BE CLEAR, NO ONE FROM OUR OFFICE CAN SERVE AS THE MAGISTRATE. CASE LAW TO THAT EFFECT AS WELL. BECAUSE OUR OFFICE IS PROSECUTING THE CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE, SOMEONE ELSE HAS TO SERVE AS THE MAGISTRATE. AND TO THE SUGGESTION THAT A PAID OUTSIDE COUNSEL WOULD HAVE A BIAS AND CONFLICT OF INTEREST. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT IS NONSENSICAL FOR MANY REASONS. THERE ARE CITIES AND COUNTIES THAT ARE DOING WHAT THEY ARE DOING. HIRED AN ATTORNEY TO BE A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. THEY HAVE TO BE PAID BY THE CITY. THAT IS HOW WE PAY THEM. BUT TO SUGGEST THAT THEIR BIAS IS UNFAIR, IT IS INAPPROPRIATE. THEY ARE ALL MEMBERS OF THE BAR. THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR DUTIES ARE AS A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. CODE ENFORCEMENT IS GOVERNOR EARNED BY STATUTE, GOVERNED AB ABOUTED BY OUR CODE AND CASE LAW. THEY ARE TRYING TO FIND A WAY, OR NOT WAY. TO SUGGEST THERE IS BIAS BECAUSE WE ARE PAYING THEM OR BECAUSE I HIRED THEM -- JUST FOR THE RECORD, I NEVER MET THE PERSON THAT WE HIRED TO BE THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE UNTIL RECENTLY UNTIL I ATTENDED A HEARING TO SEE HOW HE WAS CONDUCTING THE HEARINGS. THIS ISN'T -- TO SUGGEST THAT I AM SOMEHOW INFLUENCING THIS PERSON OR WHATEVER IS JUST -- IT IS VERY INAPPROPRIATE AND UNTRUE. SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF SET THE TABLE GO THAT, TO JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND WHY WE DID WHAT WE HE DID. WE WERE KIND OF IN -- NOT KIND OF, BUT WE WERE IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION WITH THIS 18-MONTH BACKLOG AND WE HAD TO DO SOMETHING. OH, AND ONE OTHER POINT, WHEN WE HAD VOLUNTEER MAGISTRATES, WE ALSO WERE PAYING AN OUTSIDE COUNSEL TO BE THE LEGAL ADVISOR TO MAGISTRATES. WE NO LONGER HAVE TO DO THAT BALLS WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY AS THE MAGISTRATE. HE DOESN'T NEED SOMEONE ELSE'S LEGAL ADVICE OF HOW TO CONDUCT THE HEARING. AGAIN TOM TRASK, THE PERSON DOING THIS DOES THIS IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS. VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT STATUTE AND OUR CODE NOW. ANY RELEVANT CASE LAW. I AM VERY COMFORTABLE WITH HIM. I THINK IF YOU WERE TO WATCH HIM, WOULD YOU SEE THAT, AGAIN, HE IS CONDUCT CAN THE HEARINGS WITH THE CORRECT DUE PROCESS THAT SHOULD BE PROVIDED TO A PROPERTY OWNER IN THESE CASES. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THOSE POINTS AND OPINION FROM CAMARIA WALK YOU THROUGH UNLESS YOU HAVE A QUESTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUESTION. I AM CURIOUS IF THERE WAS LEGAL REPRESENTATION, WHY THOSE LAWYERS DIDN'T LOOK OVER ANY JUDGMENTS BEFORE THEY WERE FILED TO PREVENT THE TYPE OF LEGAL ISSUES, COURT ISSUES YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. >> THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVER ASKED THEM -- WE HAD ONE ATTORNEY -- AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ASKED HIM. WOULD HAVE BEEN A GOOD IDEA IN RETROSPECT, BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT -- AND. YEAH, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DIDN'T DO THAT SOONER. >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATE YOU DOING THIS. UP SPENT ALL DAY AT CODE ENFORCEMENT HEARINGS. THE MORNING ONES WERE SAD. I MEAN IT WAS JUST -- IT WAS VERY SAD. I DO SEE THE POINT. WE WERE -- A LOT OF THE CASES WERE IN SULPHUR SPRINGS. PEOPLE WHO COULDN'T AFFORD TO FIX THESE THINGS. IT WAS -- AND THE FINES WERE -- WERE SUBSTANTIAL. A AND. I WAS UNCOMFORTABLE, I WILL SAY. BUT THE PART THAT REALLY UPSET ME WAS THE AFTERNOON SESSION WHERE THERE WAS AN HOUR AND 20 SOME ODD MINUTE HEARING BEFORE THE MAGISTRATE REALIZED THAT HE HAD THE WRONG CASE -- OR IT WAS THE WRONG -- IT WAS THE WRONG PERSON THEY HAD -- THAT STAFF HAD CITED. AND A WASTE OF A HOUR AND A HALF. UP DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC CASES BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND WE CAN'T GET INTO. THAT WAS A REAL DISAPPOINTMENT. I WAS EXPECT FOLLOWING HAVE A MAGISTRATE WHO KNEW THE WORK, AND THAT'S WHAT I SHOWED ME. OF A. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THAT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS ON STAFF, NOT HIM. HE DIDN'T CATCH IT FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF. WHEN HE FINALLY CAUGHT IT, HE WAS ABLE -- I APPRECIATE YOU COMING UP AND SAYING THIS, BUT I WILL BE HONEST, YESTERDAY LEFT ME WITH A LOT MORE QUESTIONS AND A LOT MORE CONCERNS. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: IF I CAN ADDRESS ONE THING YOU SAID. YOU TALKED OF THE FINES, A AND CAMARIA WILL TALK ABOUT THIS. OUR GOAL IS NOT TO COLLECT FINE BUS TO GET PROPERTIES IN COMPLIANCE. WIN IS J WE HAVE A SETTLEMENT POLICY WHERE TYPICALLY -- IF SOMEONE BRINGS A PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE WE WILL SETTLE WITH THEM IN THE HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS AND MAXIMUM 5,000. AND THAT IS IN THE MOST EGREGIOUS CASES. WE ARE NOT THERE TO COLLECT MONEY, BUT TEAMS YOU HAVE TO PUT THE FINES ON TO GET THE ATTENTION. WE HAVE A LOT OF CASES WHERE OUT-OF-TOWN PROPERTY OWNERS BUY HOUSES. LET THEM FALL INTO DISPETITION PAIR. THEY DON'T CARE BECAUSE FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN THEY FLIP IT, THEN SOMEONE CAN WORK OUT A DEAL WITH THE CITY, BUT UNTIL THEN, WE HAVE GOT THE FINES RUNNING. WE HAVE THE LIEN AND THAT GETS THEIR ATTENTION. OUR GOAL THOUGH -- OUR GOAL IS ALWAYS TO TRY TO GET THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE. AND THAT IS WHYS YOU KNOW IN CRA, YOU HAVE PROGRAMS THAT HELP PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE THE MONEY. MAYBE GET GRANTS TO DO CLEANUP WORK OR WHATEVER WHICH IS A WHEEL OTHER SUBJECT. BUT, YES, THE FINES SOUND BAD, BUT THE GOAL IS NOT TO COLLECT THEM. GOAL TO INCENTIVIZE SOMEBODY TO GO OUT THERE AND CLEAN THE PROPERTY UP. >>LYNN HURTAK: AGAIN, I HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH MI MISS PETTIS-MACKLE ABOUT THIS AND WITH STAFF ABOUT THIS. THIS IS THE PART I DON'T UNDERSTAND. WHY ARE WE FINING PEOPLE AND GIVING THEM THESE FINES. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY STRUGGLING. WHEN YOU SEE PICTURE OF THEIR HOUSES, YOU KNOW WHY THE HOUSE IS THE WAY IT IS. THEY CANNOT AFFORD TO GET IT. AND INSTEAD WE ARE FINING THEM BY THE DAY, AND THEY DON'T KNOW AT THE ENDS THEY ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BASICALLY DO FOR PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND NEEDS TO BE A BIT OF A BALANCE. IF THERE IS A DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, FEE STRUCTURE FOR HOMEOWNER-OCCUPIED VERSUS, YOU KNOW, A RENTAL PROPERTY. FOR ME, AGAIN, I JUST HAD A LOT MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS. WHAT I WANT TO SEE AT THE END OF THIS, I WOULD LIKE A WORKSHOP AND DEBATE CODE ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE WE'VE LOT OF THINGS WE NEED TO FIX. AND YESTERDAY ABSOLUTELY IS A LID PHIED THAT FOR ME. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: TWO THINGS. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A CODE, AND WE WANT TO ENFORCE IT. SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT SAYING, WELL, BUT IN THIS CASE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD -- THAT IS THE FLIPSIDE IS, WHAT IS THE POINT OF ENACTING ALL THESE CODE REGULATIONS AS TO THE PROPER CARE OF PROPERTY AND KEEPING IT FROM GETTING OVERGROWN AND WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF BEING SELECTIVE. AND I WILL ALSO NOTE, THAT, YES, THINGS THAT WE CAN WORKSHOP, BUT THE OVERALL STRUCTURE CODE ENFORCEMENT IS GOVERNED BY STATE STATUTE AND I WILL LET CAMARIA GET INTO THAT BECAUSE SHE KNOW IT IS A LOT BETTER THAN I. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DON'T MOVE. COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, MIRANDA AND MANISCALCO. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. REAL QUICK ON A FEW THINGS. I HAVE NO OBJECTION OF THE PROPOSAL FOR ATTORNEYS. I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT OBVIOUSLY CAN BE A BENEFIT. WITHOUT GETTING INTO SPECIFIC CASES, IN A LOT OF LAND USE CASES, LOOK AT CERTAIN THINGS -- I LOOK AT SOME CASES A CERTAIN WAY BECAUSE I AM AN ATTORNEY. HE LOOK AT EXPOSURE -- HE NEVER DONE LAND USE IN MY LIFE. LIKE I SAID, I AM NOT GOING TOO WRITE A POLITICAL CHECK THAT BE CAN BOUNCE LATER IN CIRCUIT COURT. IT IS WHAT IT IS. BUT MY CHALLENGE IS A COUPLE OF THINGS. IF I DO GO FORWARD WITH THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MAYBE A YEAR FROM NOW WHAT BUDGET IMPACT THIS HAS IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH MONEY WE ARE SPENDING ON THIS. I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE. I DO THINK THAT JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE ATTORNEYS DOESN'T MAKE THEM NECESSARILY BETTER OR WORSE ON SOME THINGS. THERE IS THE NOVENL AND AND THE WHEREWITHAL IS VERY IMPORTANT AND SOMETHING THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK GOT IS EMPATHY A AND COMPASSION. WE AGREE ON SITUATIONS LIKE THIS. AN ATTORNEY CAN KNOW THE EXPOSURE THAT EXISTS TO THE CITY, DOING THINGS RIGHT AND SO FORTH, BUT SOMETHING TO BE SAID. HE KNOW WE ALL AGREE ABOUT THAT OF MERCY AND COMPASSION ON THINGS LIKE THIS. WE HAVE THE DEBATE ON JUDGES AND WE SEE AT THE A LOT IN THE FEDERAL LEVEL FOLLOWING THE LETTER OF THE LAW FOLL FOLLOWING COMPASSION, LIVING CONSTITUTION, WHATEVER. I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT. PERHAPS WE CAN LOOK AT BAR ASSOCIATIONS THAT I THINK ARE MORE SOCIALLY CHALLENGE GEORGE EDGECOMB BAR ASSOCIATION, FOR EXAMPLE. AND LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS WHERE YOU WILL GET PEOPLE THAT WILL LOOK AT THE BIGGER PICTURE. THING ON ATTORNEYS IS VERY WELL TAKEN. I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. BUT NUMBER ONE, BUDGET WITHIN A YEAR AND NUMBER TWO, GO FISHING IN A BOND WHERE WE CAN GET GOOD OOMMASH SON WHO NAT PEOPLE THAT UNDERSTAND KINDNESS AND EMPATHY. THESE TPD OF THINGS CAN DESTROY SOMEBODY. WE NEED FOLKS WITH HEART. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: YOU KNOW BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE A PERCEPTION BY A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC THAT THERE IS BIAS IN THE CITY OVERALL, NOT BY EVERYBODY, BUT IN CERTAIN AREAS. THE GENERAL FEELING IF A PROPERTY OWNER HIRES ONE OR TWO OR THREE LOBBYISTS THEY GET WHAT THEY WANT AND EVERYBODY ELSE GETS SCREWED. WHETHER THAT IS TRUE OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT THE PERCEPTION OF THE PUBLIC. YOU KNOW THAT -- IN MY OPINION, AS I HAVE OBSERVED, THAT CARRIES OVER TO LEGAL ADVICE. AND, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO FIX IN THE CHARTER NEXT WEEK IS FURTHER DEFINING WHO THE CLIENT OF THE CITY ATTORNEY IS, ALTHOUGH THE CHARTER SAYS CLEARLY WHO THE CITY ATTORNEY IS IN PRACTICE, ESPECIALLY IN THE PAST. I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN TRYING -- MISS ZELMAN HAS BEEN TRYING TO CHANGE THAT. IN THE PAST BIASED TO THE MAYOR, WHOEVER THE MAYOR WAS. AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FOLKS ARE REPRESENTING THE CITY AND THAT -- AND THE CASE OF THE CITY ATTORNEY, THEY ARE REPRESENTING ALL OF THEIR CLIENTS, NOT JUST ONE. IF THERE IS A CONFLICT, WE NEED A WAY OF HANDLING THAT. BUT WE CLEARLY SAW IN SOME OF THE OPINIONS -- LIKE THE OPINION ON HOW TO HANDLE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENTS, THAT WAS BIASED PROBABLY TO COVER UP SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T DISCOVERED YET, WE DON'T KNOW. ALSO YOU KNOW I HAVE GREAT CONCERNS OF SOME OF THE OPINIONS THAT HAVE COME FORWARD FROM OUTSIDE ATTORNEYS. HE WON'T MENTION CASES, BUT AT LEAST ONE WHERE I THINK THE OUTSIDE ATTORNEY, BECAUSE THEY WERE BIASED TOWARD THE ADMINISTRATION WROTE THINGS THAT OPENED THE CITY TO SLANDER LAWSUITS. AND SO FAR WE ARE LUCKY WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THOSE LAWSUITS, BUT I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT MAKING SURE WE HAVE ATTORNEYS THAT ARE NOT BIASSED IN ANY WAY. AND WHAT I DON'T WANT IS FOR -- TO HEAR THINGS LIKE I HEARD THIS MORNING. I DON'T WANT TO HEAR PEOPLE COMING FORWARD SAYING, WELL, WE BELIEVE THAT -- THAT IT WAS BIASED BECAUSE SOMEBODY HIRED CERTAIN LOBBYISTS OR SOMETIMES PEOPLE WHO AREN'T REGISTERED AS LOBBYISTS OR SHOULD BE REGISTERED AS LOBBYISTS. WAY TONIGHT MAKE SURE -- I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE THIS TO A LARGER WORKSHOP ALSO BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS A BIGGER DISCUSSION. I WANT TO SAY FOR THE RECORD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING WITH THE HEAD OF CODE ENFORCEMENT, BUT FROM THE TIME I HAVE KNOWN HIM A YEAR AND A HALF, HE HAS BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE TO INVESTIGATING THE CODE VIOLATIONS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT, MOST OF THE CONSTITUENTS I WORK WITH HAVE BEEN HAPPY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE NOT A PERCEPTION IN THE PUBLIC THAT -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT ATTORNEYS YOU ARE TALK AGO OR HIRED. I WANT TO MAKE SURE NOT A PERCEPTION IN THE PUBLIC THAT CERTAIN ATTORNEYS HAVE BEEN HIRED OR CERTAIN SITUATIONS SET UP OR CERTAIN PEOPLE IN THE ADMINISTRATION HAVE INFLUENCE THAT COUNTY BIAS THE PROCESS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS VERY CLEAR NOT ONLY WHAT THE STATE GUIDELINES ARE, BUT WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE. IN THIS CASE TO FOLLOW THE LAW AND NOT BE BIASED BY EVERYBODY ELSE. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BEFORE I GOT ELECTED I WAS ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT AND NUISANCE ABATEMENT BOARD AND GAVE ME AN INTERESTING PERSPECTIVE. WE DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF CASES. I WAS AN ALTERNATE AND I WAS ABLE TO TAKE PART IN A LOT OF OF THE HEARINGS BECAUSE THERE WAS ALWAYS SOMEBODY ABSENT. BUT WHAT I SEE IN GOING FROM THE MAGISTRATES TO THIS NEW SYSTEM IS, YOU HAD ONE MAGISTRATE APPOINTED BY MAYOR SANDY FREEMAN WHO HAVEN'T BEEN IN OFFICE FOR 30 YEARS. AND HE WAS SO PROUD. WE GAVE HIM COMMENDATIONS HERE. THEY WERE SO PROUD FOR THEIR SERVICE TO THE CITY. AND WHAT I SAW IN THOSE INDIVIDUALS IS, THEY ARE CONNECTED TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. THEY ARE CONNECTED TO THE COMMUNITY. NOT SAYING THESE ATTORNEYS ARE NOT, BUT IT WAS LIKE NEIGHBORS WITH NEIGHBORS, CITIZENS WITH CITIZENS. THE GENTLEMAN THAT SPOKE, MR. REVIS, WHO IS IN THE AUDIENCE. HE WAS SAYING YOU NO LONGER HAVE CITIZENS COMING BEFORE OTHER CITIZENS. NOT SAYING THAT THOSE ATTORNEYS, YOU KNOW, DON'T KNOW THE COMMUNITY, BUT, YOU KNOW, IN GOVERNMENT AND IN POLITICS, THERE IS A CLEAR LACK O OF COMPASSION. WHEN I SERVED ON THE BOARD. NOT AS A MAGISTRATE BUT A CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD MEMBERS. TRIED TO SERVE WITH COMPASSION SON WHO. SOME AM CASES WERE EGREGIOUS. WE HAD DRUG ACTIVITY. SOMEBODY WHO CAN'T AFFORD OR FEEL INTIMIDATED COMING HERE. YOU WANT TRY TO BE UNDERSTANDING. NOT THAT -- NOT THAT THEY ARE NOT UNDERSTANDING, BUT A DIFFERENT FEEL. AND, YES, YOU MENTIONED IT AS YOU SPOKE EARLIER, THAT IT FEELS LIKE PEOPLE ARE COMING INTO A COURT ROOM AND THEY ARE STANDING BEFORE A JUDGE. IT'S -- THE TEMPERATURE IT IS DIFFERENT. THE ENVIRONMENT IS DIFFERENT. YES, THE SAME CHAMBERS, BUT JUST -- I DON'T KNOW. I, TOO, HAVE SADDENED CASES OVER THE YEARS. AND I AM GRATEFUL FOR THOSE MAGISTRATES THAT GAVE SO MUCH OF THEIR TIME AND SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. YOU HAVE MENTIONED THAT EVEN WITHIN YOUR NETWORK AND IN YOUR CIRCLES AND LEGAL CIRCLES, DIFFICULT TO FIND PEOPLE TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE. NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO VOLUNTEER WORK FOR FREE. MY FATHER IS THE FIRST CRITIC. HE SAID YOU GO TO THIS MEETING. DO YOU GET PAID FOR ANY OF THIS? I SAY I LOVE TAMPA. I LOVE THE COMMUNITY. THAT IS TRUE TODAY. BUT GOING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL SYSTEM, I THINK IT WORKS WITH THOSE VOLUNTEER MAGISTRATES. PERHAPS WE DID NOT ADVERTISE IT ENOUGH. WE ARE TALKING OF THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION COMING UP. AND -- I MEAN, I HAVE BEEN CONTACTED BY MANY PEOPLE THAT WANT TOO SERVE ON THE BOARD. WHY? BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A BIG THING. TRAPS WE NEED TO ADVERTISE IT FURTHER BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED, NOT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO RUN FOR OFFICE, BUT THEY WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN SOME CAPACITY. WE SEE FOLKS WHO GET INVOLVED IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. THEY GET INVOLVED IN T.H.A.N. THAT IS ALL VOLUNTEER WORK. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY CARE. THESE MAGISTRATES THAT ARE RETIRED -- IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT -- THEY REALLY CARED. I SAW THEIR COMPASSION. NOBODY IS MAKING YOU DO THIS. THEY DO IT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO DO IT. IN THAT SYSTEM AND YOU HAVE THAT ENVIRONMENT, I THINK PEOPLE FELT MORE COMFORTABLE. I FEEL THAT BEING PRESENT IN FRONT OF AN ATTORNEY CAN INTIMIDATE SOME FOLKS. YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE AN ELDERLY INDIVIDUAL ON SOCIAL SECURITY THAT GETS A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE AND THEY SAY DO I HAVE TO HIRE AN ATTORNEY? I DON'T KNOW, I AM NOT A GOOD PUBLIC SPEAKER. NEVER HAD THIS HAPPEN TO ME BEFORE. AN EXTRA EXPENSE AND ANOTHER HURDLE BETWEEN THE PUBLIC AND THEIR GOVERNMENT. SO MANY THINGS THAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT. COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTIONED TABLING THIS AND HAVING A WORKSHOP. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO VOTE THIS DOWN. I KNOW THAT MISS PETTIS-MACKLE HAS WORKED VERY HARD ON THIS. AND I WILL CLOSE BY SAYING THERE WAS A PROPOSITION AT THE STATE LEVEL THAT DID NOT PASS. WE ARE NOT OBLIGATED BY THE STATE TO DO THIS. NOT A TIME OF IS OF THE ESSENCE ISSUE. LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS.WE ARE THE CLOSEST LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT TO THE PEOPLE. THAT IS WHY I ROAD FOR CITY COUNCIL MUNICIPAL. COURT OFFICES OR MAGISTRATES ARE CLOSEST TO THE PEOPLE. AND NOBODY WANTS TO SEE A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER COME UP TO THEIR PROPERTY AND CITE THEM. BECAUSE YOU PANIC. WHAT IF -- DAILY FINES. WHAT I DON'T. I CAN'T AFFORD IT. WHAT IF I CAN'T GET THE MONEY. IT IS A VERY INTIMIDATE WILLING SITUATION TO BE IN. I UNDERSTAND WE NEED LAW AND ORDER AND WE NEED TO MAINTAIN -- PEOPLE NEED TO MAINTAIN THEIR PROPERTIES AND BUSINESSES AND WHATNOT, BUT PERHAPS WE SHOULD GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL WEIGH WITH THE VOLUNTEER MAGISTRATES AND ADVERTISE IT BETTER. BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD, SMART PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT ATTORNEYS THAT WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO DO THIS. THANKS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, SIR. FIRST OF ALL, WHEN ALL THIS HAPPENED SOME TIME BACK THAT THERE WAS CHANGEOVER FROM VOLUNTEERS TO PRIVATIZED, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. I MET WITH THE FOUR INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE HERE. AND THEY TOLD ME ONE OF THE FAULTS THAT THEY HAD WAS THEY NEVER HAD ONE, TWO OR THREE ALTERNATES AT THE TIME THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY.THAT IS WHAT THEY TOLD ME. SECOND, THEY SAID AS SOON AS YOU GO PRIVATE, THE COST OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS COMING BEFORE THE BOARD IS GOING TO INCREASE THE PENALTIES FOR THEM. AND THEY WERE RIGHT, FROM WHAT I HEARD, ON THAT WE ARE A. AND I AM NOT -- I AM NOT SAYING ON YOUR CASE OR ANYONE IN THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. I AM TALKING IT OF THE ACT ITSELF. SO WHAT I THINK HAPPENED HERE IS THAT THOSE INDIVIDUALS' PREMISE IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. THE PROGRAM IS SET UP NOT TO COLLECT MONEY, BUT TO FIX THE PROBLEM. SO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD -- AND SO THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND HUNDREDS MILLIONS TO FIX A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT. THAT IS WHY THEY DID IT. COLLECT $50 OR $100. PAY WHEN YOU CAN AND MAKE SURE YOU GET PAID. BUT NOW THEY TELL ME FOUR OR FIVE TIMES AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY ARE PAYING IN. AND LIKE THE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS PRIOR TO ME SPEAKING, SOMETHING ABOUT -- IF WE ARE GOING TO GO TO EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, AND YOU WERE RIGHT. CODE ENFORCEMENT IS TO MAKE SURE THE PROPERTY VALUES STAY WHERE THEY ARE AT AND DON'T DECAY AND CREATE MORE DENSITY OF MISERABLE HOUSES GOING ON AND ALL KIND OF ACTIVITIES GOING ON. IT MAKES A BREAK EVEN WITHOUT BREAKING BANK OF PEOPLE CREATING THE SAME PROBLEM. IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT QUESTION. A VERY DIFFICULT PROGRAM. WORK HARD HERE -- AND I DON'T WANT -- I AGREE WITH MORE WORKSHOP. BECAUSE HARBOUR ISLAND, PALMA CEIA, DAVIS ISLANDS, HOW MANY CASE DO THEY HAVE A YEAR? I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE TOO MANY. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOODS OF EAST TAMPA, WEST COMPANY, SULPHUR SPRINGS, ALL THOSE WEST. AND WHERE ALL THE APPLICATION IS BECAUSE WHY? THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE AT. THEY CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THE PAYMENTS OF THE HOUSE AND FIX THE HOUSE. SOMETHING HAS TO HAPPEN IN MY OPINION, AND YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN. IT WAS MEANT ONLY TO MAKE THE HOUSE GO UP TO THE STANDARD AND NOT DEFINE SOMEBODY. BUT FINE WAS TO GIVE THEM THE INCENTIVE TO DO THAT. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: IF I MAY REMIND YOU, SOME OF YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING TO REGULATE PICKLEBALL COURTS. AS SOON AS WE CAN GET A WAY AROUND SENATE BILL 180 AND THAT GOES AWAY AND WE CAN DO THAT. REMEMBER THE ONLY ENFORCEMENT TOOL THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE IS CODE ENFORCEMENT. AND YOU CAN'T SAY, WELL, NO, WE WANT YOU TO BE HARD OF THE PEOPLE IN SOUTH TAMPA THAT ARE BUILDING PICKLEBALL COURTS, BUT BE NICER TO THE PEOPLE IN SULPHUR SPRINGS. WE CAN'T DO THAT. THAT RAISES ALL KIND OF EQUAL PROTECTION OF THE LAW ISSUES. REMEMBER, ANY TIME YOU WANT TO HAVE CODE REGULATE SOMETHING, OUR TOOL TO DO THAT IS CODE ENFORCEMENT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WELL, LET ME SAY THIS. YOU CAN SOLVE THE PICKLEBALL COURT PROBLEM WITHOUT THE PICKLEBALL COURT PROBLEM. JUST DON'T LET THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK BUILD A CONCRETE -- ANYTHING LARGER THAN SOMETHING. THAT SOLVES THAT PROBLEM. THEN YOU CAN'T BUILD A PICKLEBALL COURT WITHOUT CONCRETE. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: TO DO SOMETHING OF THAT AND CITE THEM FOR BUILDING SOMETHING THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE, AND THEN WE ENFORCE IT THROUGH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND THAT. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: ANYWAY, I AM SORRY. LET ME LET CAMARIA TALK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET'S LET THE PRESENTATION CONTINUE. CA MZ COUNCILMAN GOOD AFTERNOON, CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. I'M HERE ON FILE NUMBER E 2025-E CHAPTER 9, CODE ENFORCEMENT. I HAVE SOME SLIDES EXPLAINS WHAT THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE FOR SPECIFIC LEAVE ONLY ABOUT CHAPTER 9 CODE ENFORCEMENT. AND AFTER I GET DONE WITH MY PRESENTATION, CITY COUNCIL RECEIVED AN E-MAIL ASKING SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS. AND I HAVE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS. IF I AM ABLE TO, I WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS AND THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT. THANK YOU. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: THE FIRST PART OF THE ORDINANCE THAT IS BEFORE YOU IS TO CHANGE CODE SECTION 9-2, WHICH IS REGARDING DEFINITIONS. THERE HAVE BEEN PUBLIC COMMENT THAT THE CITY -- THAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE THE VOLUNTEER SPECIAL MAGISTRATES. AS I SAID DURING MY FIRST PRESENTATION, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS NOT PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE IT, WE ARE ASKING TO ADD THE PROVISION TO ALLOW THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO ADD OUTSIDE COUNSEL. SO IT IS ADDING OUTSIDE COUNSEL. CHANGING THE DEFINITION OF A REPEAT VIOLATOR AT 9-2. THIS PROPOSED CHANGE ALIGNS WITH THE LANGUAGE IN FLORIDA STATUTE. RIGHT NOW THE CURRENT LANGUAGE DOES NOT MIRROR THE FLORIDA STATUTE OUT OF A. THE PROPOSAL IS OF FLORIDA STATUTE UFTS WHI-- TO IT THE CI TO ALLOW THE CODE OF A SPECIFIC MAGISTRATE THAT A PARTICULAR PROPERTY OWNER HAS VIOLATED THE CODE NUMEROUS TIMES. SOME THIS CODE -- THESE PROPOSED CHANGES, ESPECIALLY REGARDING THE DEFINITION OF REPEAT VIOLATOR WOULD ALIGN THIS CODE DEFINITION WITH FLORIDA STATUTE. THE OTHER PROPOSED CODE CHANGE IS REGARDING CODE SECTION 9-2. SPECIAL SETTLEMENT FOR LIENS. RIGHT NOW THE CURRENT CODE DISCUSSES LIEN SETTLEMENT THAT IS NOT USED AND NOT APPLICABLE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS. GOES COMMUNITY GARDENS REQUIREMENTS. NOTHING TO DO WITH ZONING REQUIREMENTS. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WHEN A PERSON VIOLATES CHAPTER 5 OF OUR BUILDING CODE. THAT IS NOT THE CORRECT CRITERIA. THE CURRENT CRITERIA THAT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO SETTLE CODE ENFORCEMENT LIENS IS A POLICY THAT IS IN EXECUTIVE ORDER. ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVED AN E-MAIL ON AUGUST 28 WHEN I FIRST DID A PRESENTATION OF WHAT THE EXECUTIVE ORDER IS. YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE EXECUTIVE ORDER. OUTLINES IN THE WAY THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT PROVIDES SETTLEMENT OFFERS ACROSS THE BOARD TO HOMESTEAD PROPERTIES OR NONHOMESTEAD PROPERTIES. THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THESE SPECIFIC CATEGORIES ARE AGAIN THE SAME SETTLEMENT OFFER DEPENDING ON THEY CAME IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE. SAME FOR A EVERYONE A HOMESTEAD OR NONHOMESTEAD PROPERTY. OKAY. WHAT I WANTED TO ADD TO THIS IS THAT THIS PROCESS RIGHT HERE ONLY COMES INTO PLAY WHEN THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE LOSES JURISDICTION. OUR CODE STATES THAT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HAS JURISDICTION 90 DAYS AFTER COMPLIANCE UNLESS THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE CONTAINS JURISDICTION TO NOT TO EXCEED 180 DAYS, OKAY. SO THAT IS THE PROCESS. IF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE STILL HAS JURISDICTION, PROPERTY OWNERS THAT COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE CAN REQUEST A HEARING TO HAVE -- TO PRESENT TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE, AS LONG AS THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HAS JURISDICTION. FACTORS THAT TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION WHY IT TOOK ME SO LONG TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE. SPECIAL MAGISTRATE, WOULD YOU PLEASE -- BECAUSE OF MY CIRCUMSTANCES PLEASE REDUCE THE FINE AND THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE LISTENS TO THOSE REQUESTS BUT I THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT LOOKS AT OFFERS WHEN THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE LOSES JURISDICTION. I WANT TO ADDRESS THE COMMENT THAT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW OF THE POLICIES OR PROCEDURES OR HOW TO REDUCE A FINE. THAT IS INCORRECT. I RECEIVE E-MAILS, COUNTLESS E-MAILS ON A DALE BASIS. I WANT TO REDUCE MY FINE. I HAVE E-MAILS I NEED TO RESPOND TO SAVOR THIS. AS LONG AS SPECIAL MAGISTRATE HAS JURISDICTION, WILL THEIR THAT FOR FINE REDUCTION. THEY DO NOT HAVE JURISDICTION BECAUSE THE TIMELINE HAS EXPIRED. OF COURSE I WILL TELL THE PERSON THIS IS THE SETTLEMENT OFFER OF YOUR SETTLE. THE. SO MUCH THE PUBLIC IS FULLY AWARE OF THE PROCESS OF RELEASING A LIEN. THEY KNOW TO CONTACT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND CODE EN FOR EXAMPLEMENT OR THE CLERK'S OFFICE. THE PROPOSED CHANGES REGARDLESS CODE SECTION 9.104 AND 10537 SUGGESTING THAT THOSE PROVISIONS SHOULD APPLY TO THE VOLUNTEER SPECIAL MAGISTRATES AND NOT TO IF THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HIRES OUTSIDE COUNCIL, OKAY. THE NEXT PROPOSED CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE IS 9-110, ADMINISTRATIVE FINES. REGARDING DEMOLITION OF A BUILDING OR A STRUCTURE. THIS PROPOSED LANGUAGE FOLLOWING LEGISLATION. SENATE BILL 528 ALLOWS THE SPECIAL MANAGE STRAIGHT TO A FINE OR PENALTY OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES OR CONTRIBUTING RESOURCE. SOME THIS AMENDMENT -- THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT WILL ALLOW THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE TO INCREASE THE PENALTY. RIGHT NOW THIS IS NOT IN OUR CODE. SO WE DON'T HAVE THIS LANGUAGE IN OUR CODE THAT IS -- THAT HAVE ALREADY PASSED IN THE 2025 LEGISLATIVE SESSION. THE LAST PROPOSED CHANGES IN THE ORDINANCE OF INSPECTION REPORT. THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I HAVE IN THE ORDINANCE CLEANS UP THE LANGUAGE. BECAUSE STWR THE STATE OF THE ORDER OF THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. RIGHT NOW THE LANGUAGE IS -- IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. SO IT SAYS THAT THE DEADLINE TO IMPOSE OR DEADLINE TO CHALLENGE OR ASK FOR A REHEARING IS WHEN A MATTER -- WHEN THE ITEM OF THE ORDER IS UPLOADED. IT SHOULD BE FROM THE DATE OF THE -- THAT IS ON THE ORDER. THAT CLEANS UP THAT LANGUAGE. AND IT PROVIDES MORE CLARITY OF THE CODE SECTIONS. THAT CONCLUDES THE SUM MISSION OF THE ORDINANCE AND I WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS E-MAILED -- CLENDENIN PAUSE ONE SECOND. YOU HAVE A QUESTION OF THE PRESENTATION? >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE ONE QUESTION. IN THE FORMER ADMINISTRATION, THERE WAS CONCERNS OF THE ALLEGED ABUSE OF THE FINE FORGIVENESS AND SETTLEMENT PROCESS. I THINK -- YOU KIND OF HIT ON THIS. THIS MAJOR OR THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS AN EXECUTIVE ORDER. SGRON IT IS THE SAME ONE THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED. SORRY, I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT THIS ADMINISTRATION'S EXECUTIVE ORDER LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF SETTLEMENT. YOU SAID YOU CREATED CERTAIN CATEGORIES, BUT IN THE LAST ADMINISTRATION. ONE THAT WAS A SIX-FIGURE AMOUNT THAT WAS APPARENTLY WAIVED 100%. NOT POSSIBLE FOR ANYBODY TO WAIVE A FINE 100% NOW. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: THAT IS INCORRECT IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO GO INTO THAT RIGHT NOW. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK HAS THE EXECUTIVE ORDER? >>BILL CARLSON: YOU SAYS IT POSSIBLE TO WAIVE 100% NOW? >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: IF YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, I CAN. IT IS A SPECIFIC PROVISION IN THE EXECUTIVE ORDER. >>BILL CARLSON: BEFORE I GOT ON COUNCIL, I HEARD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT THAT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PROCESS IS ESPECIALLY NOT ARBITRARY. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CALLED THE DISTRESS STRUCTURED REHABILITATION PROGRAM AND IT IS IN THE EXECUTIVE ORDER. IF A PROPERTY -- AND GOES TO ADDRESS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WAS SENT IN THE E-MAIL TO CITY COUNCIL. IF THE PROPERTY IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE, THEY CAN CONTACT THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT OR CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF TO SAY I WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS PROGRAM. IN THIS PROGRAM, IF YOU WERE NOT IN COMPLIANCE OF THE CODE, AGAIN, THE GOAL IS COMPLIANCE. IF YOU PULL THE REQUIRED PERMITS, DO THE WORK IN ORDER TO BRING YOUR PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE AND CITY STAFF DETERMINES YOU ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE, UNDER THIS PROGRAM, THE -- THE DEPARTMENT CAN WAIVE THE SOFT COST LIENS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT MATTER BECAUSE YOU ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE. BUT IT IS UNDER THIS PROGRAM, COUNCILMAN CARLSON. IT IS UNDER THIS PROGRAM. SO IS YOU CAN. THERE IS A PROVISION IF YOU ASK TO -- SAY YOU SAY I NEED HELP OR I NEED TIME OR I WANT TO ENTER INTO THIS PROGRAM. THIS ALLOW AS WAIVER OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT FINES FROM THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IF THEY COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE. THIS DOES NOT APPLY COUNCILMAN CARLSON, IF WE ARE TALKING OF HARD COST LIENS. THIS PROGRAM IS NOT TALKING ABOUT HARD COST LIENS. GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP. ONE OF THE COMMENTS I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS, THAT THE DISTRESSED REHABILITATION PROGRAM. IF A PERSON ASKS TO BE PART OF THIS, THIS IS PUBLIC INFORMATION. THEY CAN PULL THE REQUIRED PERMITS, SHOW THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE, AND THE DEPARTMENT IS WAIVE THE SOFT COST LIEN. >>BILL CARLSON: I WILL PROBABLY CALL AND ASK SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS IF YOU DON'T MIND. BUT CAN I JUST -- ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION. THIS WAS DONE BY EXECUTIVE ORDER. WHY WAS IT IS NOT DONE BY ORDINANCE. OR WHY SHOULDN'T IT BE DONE BY ORDINANCE? >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: AS MILLS ZELMAN SAID -- IN THE E-MAIL THE FIRST DAY I PRESENTED THIS, THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER ALLOWS THE DEPARTMENT AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT -- THE ADMINISTRATION AND -- YOU KNOW, ALL PARTIES UTILIZE THE SETTLEMENT OF CODE ENFORCEMENT LIENS A QUICKER WAY TO MAKE APPLICATION. COMPANY I FINISH -- MR. CHAIR, IF I CAN FINISH WHAT I WAS SAYING. >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN -- >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: ALLOW FOR THE CHANGES TO BE MADE TO THE EXECUTIVE ORDER IN A QUICKER FASHION OPPOSED TO HAVING TO PRESENT TO CITY COUNCIL AT TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS ORDINANCE CHANGES FOR AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS. BECAUSE IT IS THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT THAT SETTLES THE CODE ENFORCEMENT LIENS. AND THAT'S WHY IT IS THROUGH EXECUTIVE ORDER. >>BILL CARLSON: JUST TO FOLLOW-UP. SORRY, I DIDN'T REALIZE YOU WERE GOING THERE, SO THAT'S WHY I STARTED TO CUT YOU OFF. BUT I WONDER IF -- IF THERE IS A CONCERN IN THE PUBLIC ORDINANCE VERSUS EXECUTIVE ORDERS. AND I WONDER IF THERE IS A PART THAT WE CAN CODIFY IN AN ORDINANCE AND PUT A VERY NARROW BAND IN AN EXECUTIVE ORDER SO THAT -- SO THE PUBLIC WOULD HAVE TRUST IN IT. WE CAN HAVE LONGER CONVERSATION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE A QUESTION. I KNOW MANISCALCO YOU ARE NEXT, BUT CAN I ASK A QUICK QUESTION. PUBLIC ON THE DISTRESSED REHABILITATION PROGRAM. THEY HAVE TO EXPRESSLY REQUEST TO BE INCLUDED IN THAT. I UNDERSTAND. LET'S SAY I AM A PERSON NOT LEARNED AND NOT TOTALLY INTO CITY POLICIES. ARE WE -- ARE WE COMPELLED TO DISCLOSE THIS PROGRAM TO PEOPLE WHO ARE IN -- BEING FINED? >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: ARE WE EXCELLED TO? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DO THEY HAVE TO GO DIGGING THROUGH THIS TO FILED IT THEMSELVES. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: PUBLIC RECORD. PUBLIC INFORMATION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE BROADCAST INTO THEIR LIVING ROOMS. UP WOULDN'T KNOW IT IS THERE. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: THE OTHER BEAUTIFUL PIECE IS THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF KNOW ABOUT THIS PROGRAM. THEY ARE -- THEY ARE A DEPARTMENT WHO HAS ASKED FOR THIS PROGRAM TO BE IN PLACE AND CONTINUE TO BE IN PLACE. SO CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF IS AWARE OF IT. AND THEY ARE THE FIRST POINT OF CONTACT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THE PUBLIC. SO IF THAT IS A CONVERSATION BETWEEN CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF WHO ARE ISSUING THE NOTICES OF VIOLATION TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. IN THOSE INSTANCES, THOSE CONVERSATIONS CAN TAKE PLACE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WILL THAT BE A EQUITABLE TREATMENT IF ONE CODE ENFORCEMENT IS IT DISCLOSING IT TO ONE HOMEOWNER AND ONE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IS NOT DISCLOSING IT TO THE OTHER? >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: I CAN'T SPEAK ON THAT, MR. CHAIR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MAYBE THIS IS A PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT AT FIRST CONTACT, THAT THE CITY WOULD BRIEF -- AVAIL THEM OF THAT OPPORTUNITY. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: I UNDERSTAND THAT. THAT IS A GREAT SUGGESTION. AN EDUCATIONAL PIECE TO THE PUBLIC REGARDING THIS PROGRAM. I SEE NO ISSUE WITH THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: QUICK QUESTION. GOING TO THE PAID ATTORNEYS, WHAT ARE THEY GETTING PAID AN HOUR, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR -- TO RUN ONE OF THESE HEARINGS? >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: SO THE RATE IS $225 PER HOUR. AND I BELIEVE THAT MIRRORS WHAT THE -- THAT MIRRORS WHAT MR. -- WHAT WAS PAID FOR THE OTHER ATTORNEY WHO PROVIDED LEGAL ADVICE TO THE VOLUNTEER SPECIAL MAGISTRATES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW LONG WAS THE HEARING THAT YOU SAT THROUGH YESTERDAY? HOUR AND A HALF. >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST FOR ONE CASE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW LONG WAS THE WHOLE HEARING. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WASN'T ABLE TO STAY. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: IF I CAN FINISH MY THOUGHT. MISS ZELMAN INFORMED ME THAT THE $225-AN HOUR IS THE SAME RATE THAT THE CITY PAYS FOR THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATES OR THE HEARING OFFICERS FOR THE RED-LIGHT CAMERA. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW LONG WAS YESTERDAY'S HEARING, DO YOU KNOW? A SIX-HOUR TOTAL HEARING? I MEAN -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHICH ONE? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE AFTERNOON SESSION. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: AFTERNOON SESSION, GOT DONE AT 4:00. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEGINNING AT NOON. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: MORNING SESSION STARTS AT 9 A.M. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THREE TIMES $225. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BILLABLE HOURS FOR THE PREP TIME. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: SORRY? ALAN CLENDENIN: BILLABLE HOURS FOR THE PREP TIME. COUNCILMAN CAM I BELIEVE THAT IS INCLUDED. THEY ARE DOING A THOROUGH ANALYSIS OF EVERYTHING BEFORE THEM SO THEY ARE EDUCATED ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO HEAR. SO, AGAIN -- AND I HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL -- ADDITIONAL RESPONSES OF THE VOLUNTEER -- ABOUT THE LAW FIRM, IF I -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ARE STILL INQUIRING. COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO, ARE YOU DONE? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHY NOT KEEP. WE HAVE THESE RULES AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU WENT OVER BUT STICK WITH THE VOLUNTEER MAGISTRATES? >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: WHY NOT? I THINK MISS ZELMAN EXPLAINED THE CONCERNS OF HAVING THE VOLUNTEER SPECIAL MAGISTRATES. I HAVE GOT TO TELL YOU, BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR SOME TIME NOW, THERE WERE COMMENTS ABOUT -- I THINK YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT -- I AM TRYING TO GO FROM MY NOTES -- THAT PEOPLE ARE INTIMIDATED. THE LAST -- THERE IS NO -- THAT IS NOT AT ALL THE -- WELL, I GUESS I AM GIVING YOU FROM THE PERSPECTIVE FROM THE CITY. BUT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE EACH TIME -- AND I HOPE YOU GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THE LAW FIRM -- THE ATTORNEY AT A CODE ENFORCEMENT HEARING THAT THEY ARE RIGHT NOW IS THAT THEY MAKE SURE THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO HIM, TO TELL THEM WHATEVER -- WHATEVER THEY WANT TO SAY. THEY ARE GIVEN THAT OPTION. THERE IS NOT A SITUATION WHERE THE SPECIAL AGE IN STRAIGHT SAYS TO A PROPERTY OWNER, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU. OR YOU CAN'T TALK TO ME. THAT IS -- THAT IS THE OPPOSITE. AND I HOPE THAT WHAT YOU HAVE HEARD DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS SPECIAL MAGISTRATE, THE LAW FIRM, DOESN'T GIVE PEOPLE THE ABILITY TO SPEAK OR TELL -- SAY WHATEVER THEY WANT TO SAY. THE CONCERN IF THAT WAS THE CASE, WE COULD BE VIOLATING THAT PROPERTY OWNER'S DUE PROCESS IF THEY ARE NOT GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. SO, AGAIN, I HOPE MORE PEOPLE -- EVEN IF YOU WANT TO COME TO CODE ENFORCEMENT HEARINGS TO ACTUALLY WATCH. YOU COME TO LEARN AND UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS THAT TAKES PLACE. THAT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE GIVE PEOPLE, THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO SPEAK AND SAY WHATEVER THEY NEED TO SAY. BUT GOING BACK TO MY ORIGINAL POINT IS THAT, CITY STAFF APPRECIATES THAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE EVEN HEIGHTENED. NOT ALL THE TIME THAT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE AGREES WITH WHAT THE CITY IS DOING OR WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING. THE CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF -- ABOUT THE FINES, THEY ARE ONLY MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. THE ULTIMATE PERSON WHO MAKES THE DECISION OF WHAT THE DAILY FINES SHOULD BE IS THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. NOT CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF. THAT HAS BEEN THE SAME PROCESS THE ENTIRE TIME. EVEN WITH THE VOLUNTEERS. SO I DON'T WANT THIS CITY COUNCIL TO THINK THAT BECAUSE A LAWYER THERE IN PLACE THAT THE CITY IS, YOU KNOW, CHANGING EVERYTHING. THEY HAVE ALWAYS MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. AGAIN, THE KEY WORD -- AND IT WAS ALREADY SAID BY SOMEONE, IT IS JUST A RECOMMENDATION OF WHAT THE DAILY FINE WOULD BE. UP TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE TO FOLLOW FLORIDA STATUTE ON HOW TO DETERMINE HOW WHAT THE DAILY FINE WILL BE. NOT JUST A FLIP OF THE COIN TO FIND OUT WHAT THE DELI FINE. TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT THE CITY IS ASKING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: JUST BRIEFLY ON A COUPLE OF THINGS. PEOPLE TALKING OF BEING INTIMIDATED BECAUSE THERE IS AS LAWYER. NOT NECESSARILY BECAUSE IT IS A LAWYER, BUT THE WHOLE PROCESS, LAWYER, PHARMACIST, WHATEVER IS UP THERE, IT WILL BE INTIMIDATING TO PEOPLE. I RESPECT THAT. WITH REGARDS TO THE RATE, I WOULD OPINE ON THAT. THAT WOULD BE ARE VERY REASONABLE RATE. I DO INSURANCE DEFENSE. I AM AN A-MINUS AND A A-PLUS LAWYER. AND I KNOW A BIT ABOUT BILLABLE RATES. INSURANCE FOR AUTO, FOR EXAMPLE, RATES CAN BE FROM $165 TO 240 WITHIN THAT. AND THAT IS CONSIDERED LOW IN THE LEGAL FIELD FOR HIGH VOLUME WORK AND ALL THAT. AND GOVERNMENT PRACTICE RATES ARE TYPICALLY LOWER UNLESS YOU ARE TALKING OF SOMETHING VERY SPECIALIZED. INSURANCE DEFENSE AND MED MEDICAL MALPRACTICE. INSURANCE WORK IS OBVIOUSLY MUCH HIGHER. FOR WHAT PEOPLE LIKE ME DO, IT IS LOWER. THERE YOU GO. SO I THINK THAT IS GOOD IN THAT REGARD. QUESTION FOR YOU. SINCE WE ARE HIRING ATTORNEYS AND THEIR CAPACITY AS ATTORNEYS. THIS -- -- YOU KNOW WHAT, I -- I WAS GOING TO ASK AB ABOUT MALPRACTICE ISSUES.THAT WILL WASTE TIME. DISREGARD. THANK YOU. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT MALPRACTICE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE WILL BE HERE PAST DINNER. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION. HU >>LYNN HURTAK: TO COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO'S POINT, MADE ME THINK OF SOMETHING. WE CAN STILL USE VOLUNTEER MAGISTRATE. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: I AM NOT PROPOSING TO ELIMINATE IT. WE ARE NEVER PROPOSING -- >>LYNN HURTAK: WHY DON'T WE GO BACK AND INSTEAD USE THE PAID LAWYER AS OUR BACK-UPS IF PEOPLE DO NOT SHOW UP. FOR ME THAT IS THE PERFECT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THERE YOU GO. NOT TO INTERRESULT. WHEN I WAS ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT. I WAS AN ALTERNATE AND ALWAYS SOMEBODY MISSING. I WOULD JUMP AT ANY OPPORTUNITY -- IT WAS FREE. AND I AM NOT AN ATTORNEY. BUT I TOOK PART IN EVERY HEARING BECAUSE ALWAYS SOMEBODY MISSING. THAT IS A GREAT -- PERFECT. BECAUSE THE VOLUNTEER MAGISTRATES THAT I MET -- AND I GAVE THEM COMMENDATION WHEN THEY WERE HERE AND SOME I HAVE KNOWN EVEN LONGER -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN WE WAIT UNTIL SHE FINISHED AN THEN PONTIFICATE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THEY WERE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT IT AND THEN LOVED DOING IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FINISH. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: SECTION BY SECTION TO ADDRESS THE E-MAIL SENT TO CITY COUNCIL. THE FIRST SECTION THAT WAS ASKED ABOUT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN -- THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATIONS, FINES VERSUS LIENS. ALL RIGHT. HARD COST LIENS AS IT IS STATED IN THE EXECUTIVE ORDER. AND THOSE ARE NONNEGOTIABLE. THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT WILL NOT NEGOTIATE OR REDUCE HARD COST LIENS. AND I WILL EXPLAIN THE TO CITY COUNCIL THAT HARD COST LIENS ARE LIENS THAT RESULT IN THE CITY TAKING ACTION TO BRING A PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE. THAT DID A LIEN ON THAT PROPERTY OWNER PERSON'S PROPERTY. WE DON'T WANT TO SETTLE THOSE LIENS BECAUSE THE CITY WILL BE AT A LOSS. THOSE WILL BE ACTUAL EXPENSES. WHAT HAS TO BE PAID IN ORDER FOR THE LIENS TO BE RELEASED ARE THE CENTERED LIENS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT LIENS, THOSE ARE SOFT COST LIENS. AS YOU WERE ALREADY E-MAILED IN THE PAST PREVIOUSLY, IN AUGUST, THE SOFT COST LIENS ARE THE BREAKDOWN IN THE EXECUTIVE ORDER FOR THE NONHOMESTEAD AND HOMESTEAD PROPERTIES. OKAY. LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS ONLY PROVIDING NEGOTIATED REDUCED CO COSTS FOR THE LIENS FOR SOFT COST LIENS FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT. ANSWER TO NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, HE ASKED OF POLICY SECTIONS, DISTRESSED VERSUS COMPLIANCE GUIDELINES. THE COMPLIANCE GUIDELINES IN THE EXECUTIVE ORDER DEAL ONLY WITH PROPERTIES THEIR ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE. AS I EXPLAINED EARLIER, THE DISTRESSED STRUCTURE PROGRAM ARE FOR THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE. SO THOSES ARE TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS. POLICY -- POLICY VERSUS AN ORDINANCE. HE ASKED THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 19 CONTINUE 7 AND 19.112. CHAPTER 19 -- I AM ONLY HERE OF CHAPTER 9. CHAPTER 19 WHICH IS PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ALLOWS SOMEONE TO CHALLENGE THE BILLING OF A HARD CAST LIEN. AGAIN THAT IS CHALLENGING THE BILLING OF A HARD COST LIEN. THAT CODE SECTION -- IT IS IN THE CODE. IT'S -- SINCE I HAVE BEEN REPRESENTING CODE ENFORCEMENT, IT HAS NEVER BEEN AUTOPSI USED. NO ONE CHALLENGED THE BILLING OF THE HARD COST LIEN AND THE BILLING SAYS THAT HARD COST LIEN CANNOT BE SETTLED OR NEGOTIATED. THOSE LIENS ARE WHAT THE LIENS ARE, BECAUSE THEY ARE EXPENSES THAT THE CITY SPENDS AND THE CITY IS BEING ASKED TO BE REIMBURSED. TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. YOU CAN CHALLENGE THE BILLING BUT YOU CAN NOT NEGOTIATE THAT HARD COST LIEN. YOU CAN SAY A PROPERTY OWNER -- I DON'T WANT COME UP WITH A SCENARIO, BUT, HEY, I DIDN'T GET A COPY OF THAT. I DIDN'T KNOW YOU GUYS WERE DOING THAT. CHALLENGING THE BILLING OF THE HARD COST LIEN. NOT ASKING FOR A SETTLEMENT OR GIVE ME A LOWER AMOUNT FOR THEIR HARD COST LIEN NOT WHAT THAT PROCESS IS FOR. LASTLY ARE HE ASKED FOR ORDINANCE VERY VISION TO DEMOLITION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES. SPECIFICALLY ASKED ABOUT, DOES THIS APPLY TO BUILDINGS THAT THE CITY DEMOLISHES? AGAIN THAT IS IN A DIFFERENT CHAPTER OR THAN CHAPTER 9 WHAT I'M HERE ABOUT AND WHAT THIS ORDINANCE IS ABOUT. CHAPTER 19 ADDRESSES AND ALLOW AS PROCESS FOR -- AGAIN, AS I JUST SAID PREVIOUSLY, ALLOW AS PROCESS FOR AN OWNER TO CHALLENGE THE BILLING OF A COST ASSOCIATED WITH ABATEMENT. NOTHING TO DO WITH CHAPTER 9 AND THE ORDINANCE EI AM PRESENTING N FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL. I HOPE THAT ADDRESSES HIS QUESTIONS. BUT THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS THAT HAPPENED EARLIER THIS MORNING THAT I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF. I ALREADY ADDRESSED THE FIRST ONE. THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF HAS ALWAYS GIVEN A RECOMMENDATION TO THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATES OF WHAT THE DAILY FINE SHOULD BE. THAT IS NOTHING NEW. THERE WAS A COMMENT THAT WHEN -- WHEN THERE IS A VIOLATION OF THE BUILDING CODE AND YOU HAVE A CODE VIOLATION THAT THE DAILY FINES WOULD STOP IF YOU APPLY -- I THINK THERE WAS A STATEMENT ABOUT A VARIANCE. THERE IS A PROCESS IN THE CODE FOR THAT -- FOR THAT. SENSE -- JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE YOU A BUILDING THAT IS IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS, YOUR CODE ENFORCEMENT FINE DOES NOT STOP. IT IS UNTIL YOU COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE IS WHEN YOUR DAILY FINE WOULD STOP. I DON'T WANT THAT MISCONCEPTION OUT THERE IF I AM PULLING A PERMIT THAN MY CODE FINE STOPS. THAT IS NOT THE CASE AT ALL AND HAS NEVER BEEN THE CASE. I THINK THAT -- I THINK -- I THINK THAT SO FAR ARE THE RESPONSES THAT I WANTED TO HAVE FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT HI ALREADY HEARD. BUT HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY MORE QUESTIONS. THIS ORDINANCE REGARDING CHAPTER 9. UPDATES LANGUAGE -- TO ADDRESS LANGUAGE FOR THE 2025 LEGISLATIVE SESSIONING THAT ARE NOT IN THE CODE THAT GIVES ADDITIONAL AUTHORITY TO THE SPECIAL MANAGE STRAIGHT FOR FINES FOR DEMOLITION. ALLOWS FOR DEFINITIONS TO BE REVISED TO REFLECT THE FLORIDA STATUTE FOR REPEAT VIOLATORS. AND ADDS THE PROVISION TO ALLOW THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO HIRE OUTSIDE COUNCIL AND THE GIST OF THIS. COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OR ARE YOU GOOD? >>NAYA YO >>NAYA YOUNG: I DON'T THINK SO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I LIKE COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S SUGGESTION THAT WHY DON'T WE STAY WITH THE VOLUNTEER MAGISTRATE. WE GIVE THEM COMMENDATIONS AND SENT THEM INTO RETIREMENT, IF THEY WANTED TO COME BACK, WE HAVE THAT OPTION. AND AS THE ALTERNATE, IF WE CAN'T GET SOMEBODY, WE HAVE THOSE ATTORNEYS ON RETAINER, ON STANDBY TO COME IN. OR IS THE RESPONSE IS WHAT IF THEY ARE NOT AVAILABLE THAT DAY AND WE CAN'T GET AN ATTORNEY. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: IF I MAY, ANDREA ZELMAN. AS INCAMARIA SAID, WE ARE NOT TRYING TO DESTROY THE VOLUNTEER PROGRAM. WE JUST WANT THE OTHER TOOL IN OUR TOOL BELT TO BE ABLE TO HIRE AN ATTORNEY LIKE WE DID IN SITUATION WHERE FRANKLY WE HAD GOTTEN TO AN EMERGENCY, IN ANY OPINION, 18-MONTH LEGALLY DEFICIENT ORDERS. I HEAR WHAT COUNCIL IS SAYING. WE CAN TRY TO BRING VOLUNTEERS INTO THE ROTATION. WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE WORK WITH THE ATTORNEY WHO HAS NOW BEEN HANDLING THE CASES, IF HE IS WILLING TO DO THIS. AND WE WOULD PAY HIM FOR THIS, MAYBE START TRAINING SOME OF THOSE VOLUNTEER MAGISTRATES SO WE DON'T RUN INTO THE PROBLEM WE WERE HAVING WITH LEGALLY DEFICIENT ORDER.THAT WON'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT AND WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THE PATH ABOUT ON, BECAUSE WE ARE FINALLY -- WE ARE NOT BACKLOGGED AT ALL. THINGS ARE MOVING AS THEY SHOULD BE. AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO KEEP DOING THAT. BUT I HEAR WHAT HIGH TEMPERATURE SAYING. WE CAN TRY TO BEEF UP THE VOLUNTEER PROGRAM, EITHER AS A BACK-UP, AS AN ALTERNATE. MAYBE PARTICULAR TYPES OF CASES WITH ONE. THAN WITH THE OTHER WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT AND WORK WITH THAT. BUT PLEASE DON'T TAKE AWAY THE ABILITY TOP OF HAVE THE ATTORNEY AND NOT ASKING YOU TO TAKE THE ABILITY TO USE VOLUNTEERS EITHER. WE CAN TRY TO IMPROVE BOTH BUT IN THE MEANTIME PASSING THIS ORDINANCE, AYI LOW TO YOU DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE CONTINUE THIS UNTIL YOU FIGURE -- SPEAKING TO THE ATTORNEYS. DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE THAT THE VOLUNTEER MAGISTRATES ARE PRIORITIZED FIRST AND A PAID ATTORNEY AS A BACK-UP. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I WILL ASK YOU TO NOT DO THAT. THIS HAS BEEN CONTINUED THROUGH AUGUST. THESE THINGS TENDS TO KEEP GETTING KICKED DOWN AND KICKED DOWN. IN THE MEANTIME, CAMARIA MENTIONED A LOT IN THESE ORDINANCE. STATE STATUTORY CHANGES SHE INCORPORATED. INAPPROPRIATE -- NOT EN APPROPRIATE, BUT IMPOSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND LANGUAGE TO UNDERSTAND SHE HAS NOW CLARIFIED. AGAIN THE LANGUAGE YOU ARE ASKING YOU TO APPROVE WITH REGARD TO THE ATTORNEY WOULD ALLOW US TO DO WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED. FIGURE OUT A WAY TO BRING BACK VOLUNTEER MAGISTRATES IN SOME SHAPE OR FORM, GET THEM TRAINED BY THE ATTORNEY, BUT KEEP THE ATTORNEY IN THE MEAN TIME BECAUSE WE ARE GOING NOW. AND WE HAVE GOT TO KEEP CODE ENFORCEMENT GOING TO HAVE A MEANINGFUL PROCESS. SO THAT -- I WILL ASK YOU NOT TO CONTINUE IT YET AGAIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA AND AUTHENTICITY HURTAK. >>LUIS VIERA: VERY BRIEFLY. MOVE FORWARD AND HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE LEGAL REPORT TO US ON -- BECAUSE WE ARE BEING TOLD -- AND OBVIOUSLY I TRUST MISS ZELMAN. SHE IS A WONDERFUL PERSON OF INTEGRITY -- THAT THERE WOULD BE A BALANCE BETWEEN VOLUNTEERS AND ATTORNEYS, AND WE CAN SEE WHAT THAT BALANCE IS AND WHAT IT ULTIMATELY COST US AFTER SIX OR NINE MONTHS. THAT IS A REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE THAT WE CAN DO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: MY SUGGESTION IS GOING TO BE IF WE APPROVE THIS ON FIRST READING, BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING FIX SECTION THREE TO PRIORITIZE. AND I THINK -- AND I KNOW THAT MISS ZELMAN DOES NOT AGREE, BUT I THINK WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM COUNCIL OR AT LEAST THE TWO OF US THAT I KNOW, THAT WE ARE WITH GOING TO ASK YOU TO PRIORITIZE THE VOLUNTEERS AND THEN USE THE PAID AS BACK-UP. I DON'T HAVE ANY BACK-UP WITH TRAINING. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT -- I MEAN, THAT WILL BE MY REQUEST. I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD TO SOME DEGREE, BUT CHANGES BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING WOULD BE ABLE AND ALLOW YOU TO KEEP IT MOVING AND MAY GO THE CHANGES THAT THIS COUNCIL IS ASKING FOR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER YOUNG. >>NAYA YOUNG: SO WHO -- WHO HAS -- WHO WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THE APPOINTMENTS, TO -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THEY ARE APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR AND THEN WE APPROVE IT. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: I WILL TELL YOU THE LANGUAGE. CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. I WILL TELL YOU THE LANGUAGE THAT IS RIGHT NOW IN THE CODE. IT IS EACH CODE ENFORCEMENT SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IS TO BE APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR AND APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL FOR A TERM OF THREE YEARS. THAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE CODE. CODE SECTION 9-104. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANY FOLLOW-UP? COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF WE GO AHEAD AND MOVE THIS FORWARD ON FIRST READING TODAY. CAN YOU COME BACK ON SECOND READING WITH WHAT WE DISCUSSED, REACHING OUT TO THE ATTORNEYS AND TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE PRIORITIZATION OR STRUCTURE OF BRINGING BACK THE VOLUNTEER MAGISTRATES? WOULD IT GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME AND WOULD THAT-TO-NOT FURTHER -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE INDUSTRIAL PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: WE WILL WORK ON THIS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: QUESTION, IF I CAN. MAY I INQUIRE? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE MAGISTRATES THAT ARE CURRENTLY SERVING HAS THIS COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL? >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: AS MISS CELL?MAN STATED BEFORE SHE SPOKE, YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I REMEMBER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE, COUNCIL MEMBER YOUNG. >>NAYA YOUNG: NO, I AM GOOD. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY, IF YOU WERE HEAR TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM. >> IF WE ALREADY SPOKE THIS MORNING, CAN WE SPEAK AGAIN? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES. >> RICHARD REVIS. I WAS SWORN IN EARLIER THIS MORNING. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF ISSUES THAT MISS MACKLE BROUGHT UP AND THE OTHER ATTORNEY -- SORRY, I DON'T RECALL YOUR NAME, BUT DID YOU VERY GOOD. BACKLOG OF 18 MONTHS. ONE OF THE REASON THERE WAS A BACKLOG BECAUSE I WENT OUT -- I HAD TO TAKE PERSONAL TIME BECAUSE OF HEALTH ISSUES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT IS YOUR NAME. >> RICHARD VEIS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ARE DEBATING WHETHER YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY UNDERSTANDING FOR THOSE WHO WANTED TO STAY AND HEAR THE PRESENTATION AND TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK. AGAIN, I DON'T SET THAT FORTH FOR FIRST READING AND MAYBE I SHOULD. BUT THE QUESTION IS, IF YOU WANT THEM TO SPEAK TWICE ON THE SAME SUBJECT, MY SUGGESTION TODAY WOULD BE TO WAIVE THE RULES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION TO WAIVE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. SECONDED FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. OVER POSED. START AGAIN. >> RICHARD VREVIS. I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP A COUPLE OF ISSUES DURING THE PRESENTATION. THE 18-MONTH BACKLOG. YES, THERE WAS A BACKLOG. MISS ANDERSON, WHO IS NO LONGER WITH THE CITY, WOULD CONTACT ME PRIOR TO ME HAVING TO GO OUT LAST DECEMBER AND WOULD REQUEST THAT I FILL IN FOR ANY MAGISTRATE, WHICH I DID ALL THE TIME. SOMETIMES I WAS -- I WAS THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE FOUR OR FIVE TIMES A MONTH. AND I ENJOYED EVERY MINUTE OF IT. I NEVER SAID NO WHEN MISS ANDERSON WOULD CALL FOR ME TO FILL IN. I HAD REQUESTED -- I HAD TOLD MISS MACKLE. MISS PETTIS-MACKLE, THAT WE NEEDED MORE MAGISTRATES. I THINK I TOLD IT TO A COUNCIL MEMBER OR TWO THAT WE NEED MORE MAGISTRATES. WE DO THIS FOR THE LOVE OF THE CI CITY. MISS PETTIS-MACKLE SAID IT IS NOT ELIMINATING -- THIS NEW ORDINANCE THAT IS BEING PRESENT IS NOT ELIMINATING THE VOLUNTEER MAGISTRATES, BUT YET WE WERE ELIMINATED, AND WE ARE STILL ARE ELIMINATED. MAGISTRATES THAT WERE THERE, BOTH PAUL, ALEX, I AND NORA ARE WILLING AND WAITING TO COME BACK BECAUSE OF WHAT WE DID AND WHAT WE LOVE FOR THE CITY. SO WE ARE NOT -- THE -- THE ISSUE OF HAVING THE ATTORNEY THERE, YES. THERE IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOME CONFLICT. THERE IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE A LEGAL ISSUE THAT NOT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDING. BUT THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE THERE FOR AS BACK-UP. THE -- IT IS JUST -- IT IS DISHEARTENING TO HEAR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE SAID. AND TO LISTEN TO THE COMMENTS. WE CARE. THE EMPATHY, AS MR. MANISCALCO SAID, WE ALWAYS -- WE WOULD GET UP. YES, I SAW PRESENTATION FOR THE ATTORNEY. FIRST THING HE SAID, I HAVE BEEN AN ATTORNEY FOR THE BAR FOR 30 YEARS. THAT ALONE MAKE ME WANT TO SIT BACK AND NOT SAY A WORD. WE WOULD MAKE IT LIGHT -- WE WOULD KID AROUND. THE FEES THAT WAS STATED -- THE CODE OFFICER ALWAYS GAVE A FEE? NO. THE CODE OFFICER WOULD NEVER RECOMMEND A FEE UNLESS IT WAS A HIGH FEE FOR AN EGREGIOUS SITUATION. THAT IS WHEN AN OFFICER WOULD RECOMMEND A FEE. IT WAS ALWAYS UP TO THE MAGISTRATE'S DISCRETION AS TO WHAT FEE. SOMETIMES $1. I HAVE GIVEN AS LOW AS ONE PENNY IN SITUATIONS. BUT THIS FEE -- THE FEE BASIS N NOW. LOW-INCOME HOMES, SENIORS. THAT IS GOING TO DIRECTLY AFFECT ALL OF THEM. DAVIS ISLAND, BEACH PARK. THEY WILL NEVER HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS. EVERYBODY ELSE WILL. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT IS PUBLIC COMMENT. MR. MICHELINI. >> STEVE MICHELINI. I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ISSUES HERE. ONE OF THEM IS, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT TO STOP YOUR FINES. I HAVE A CLIENT WHO IS STUCK IN -- LACK OF A BETTER WORD, PERMIT HELL THAT IS NOW BEING FINED $3,000 A MONTH FOR A PROPERTY THAT WAS SHOWCASED AS BEING WHAT THE MAYOR WANTED TO SEE FOR ADU AND DOING THE WORK. THIS PROPERTY OWNER WENT TO THE CITY AND ASKED THEM WHAT WAS GOING ON. AND TRIED TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND. THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY WITH WORK THAT WAS ALREADY PREVIOUSLY DONE. AND NOW WE ARE BEING FINED AND WE ARE STUCK IN THIS PERMITTING CYCLE. WE RESPOND IN A TIMELY MANNER AND WE CAN'T GET OUT. SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT THAT -- IF YOU ARE IN THE PROCESS OF SOLVING ISSUES. WE HAD TO FILE FOR A DESIGN EXCEPTION. WE HAD TO FILE FOR A SPECIAL USE. NOT CONTINUE THE FINES WHILE YOU ARE ON N IN THAT PROCESS. SHOWING DUE DILIGENCE AND IN THE PROCESS, WHY ARE YOU FINING ME WHEN THE CITY IS PART OF THE PROCESS OF RESOLUTION. YOU GET INTO THIS SYSTEM WHERE YOU CAN'T GET OUT. I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES IS, I THINK IT ALLOWS THE CITY ATTORNEY TO APPOINT A MAGISTRATE THAT -- THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED. YOU SHOULD -- ON THE PERMITTING SIDE I MEAN, YOU ARE TOLD -- YOU WERE TOLD BY CONSTRUCTION SERVICES CENTER IT IS A VIOLATION THERE OR IF IT IS AS CODE VIOLATION, YOU HAVE TWO FINES THAT ARE TRACKING SIMULTANEOUSLY FOR THE SAME PROPERTY AND YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT HEARINGS. YOU DON'T CONVENIENT A HEARING ON THE SAME DAY UNLESS YOU CAN ASK FOR IT. YOU SHOULDN'T A DOUBLE FINE OCCURRING ON THE SAME PROPERTY. YOU SHOULDN'T -- IF YOU FEEL FOR A PROCESS TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEM, IT SHOULD STOP. YOU SHOULDN'T CONTINUE TO BE FINED WHEN YOU SUBMITTED PLANS. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PERMIT, YOU DON'T HAVE A PER MINT. THAT IS NOT ALWAYS THE FAULT OF THE PROPERTY OWNER. WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT FINES, THERE IS A -- THERE IS A CHART THERE. YOU NEVER HEARD A CITY EMPLOYEE SAY ANYTHING OTHER THAN $250 A DAY. AND WHERE DID THEY GET THAT FROM? THAT IS COMING FROM THE CITY STAFF. AND AND USED TO BE BASED ON AS MR. REVIS SAID EGREGIOUS FAULT AND NOT SOME INCIDENTAL ISSUE. YOU START AT $250 A DAY AND IT GOES UP FROM THERE. RESOLUTION PROCESS ISLINE. YOU HAVE TO PAY A FEE TO GET ONLINE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO IN TERMS OF REDUCING A FINE. I GUESS ONE OF THE LAST THINGS IS, WHEN YOU ARE -- WHEN YOU ARE IN A PROCESS, YOU SHOULDN'T BE PENALIZED CONTINUALLY DAILY FOR BEING IN THAT PROCESS WHEN YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER OF THE PROCESSING TIMES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. BECAUSE SEEMS VERY REASONABLE -- I GET IT IS A QUAGMIRE, BECAUSE SECOND-GUESS GOING SOMEBODY IS ABUSING THE SYSTEM AND IS WORK ACTUALLY BEING ACCOMPLISHED AND NOT A GET OUT OF FREE CARD TO FILE A PERMIT AND NOT HAVING FINES ASSESSED. BUT IT SEEMS REASON FUMBLE SOMEBODY IS DILIGENT AND TRYING TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESSES TO GET INTO COMPLIANCE, THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE -- THE FINES SHOULDN'T BE CONTINUOUSLY STACKED UP AGAINST HIM BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS ALMOST LIKE A -- YOU KNOW A WALL THAT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO CLIMB OVER EVENT EVENTUALLY NORWEGIAN WE HAVE PERMITTING ISSUES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. THAT IS A FACT. YOU HAVE PERMITS AROUND GET OUT OF PERMITTING A DIFFICULT BROAD YOUR FOR ONE REASON OR THE ANOTHER. HAVE YOU EXPLORED ANY IDEAS OF HOW TO ABATE FINE IF SOMEBODY IS SHOWING PROGRESS OF COMING INTO COMPLIANCE? I MEAN CORRIDOR THEY -- CO-THERE BE A CATEGORY WHERE THESE FINES STACK UP, BUT THEN THEY AUTOMATICALLY GO AWAY FROM THE TIME THEY STARTED THE PROCESS OF COMING INTO COMPLIANCE? THAT IS NOT SUBJECT TO THE WHIM AND WILL OF A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE OR STAFF KA. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. THAT HAS NOT BEEN LOOKED INTO. NOT OUTLINED IN THE FLORIDA STATUTE. NO ONE HAS LOOKED INTO THAT. BUT, AGAIN, CODE ENFORCEMENT, THAT PROCESS IS OUTLINED. IT MIRRORS THE LANGUAGE IN THE PROVISION OF THE FLORIDA STATUTE. I DID WANT TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS. YOU CAN'T HAVE FINES AND FINES -- YOU CAN ONLY HAVE FINES RELATED TO CHAPTER 5 VIOLATIONS, CHAPTER 19 VIOLATIONS, CHAPTER 27 VIOLATIONS, CHAPTER 22 VIOLATIONS. THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF FINES. YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO CHAPTER 5 FINES RUNNING ON THE SAME PROPERTY FOR THE SAME ISSUE. THAT IS INCORRECT. YOU CAN -- AND IT DOES HAPPEN -- WHERE A PROPERTY OWNER WILL HAVE DAILY FINES WITH WORK DONE WOULDN'T A PERMIT AND ALSO ZONING VIOLATIONS. BECAUSE THAT PROPERTY OWN ER IS VIOLATING YOUR ZONING CODE AND ZONING LAWS.THAT IS THE PROCESS. THAT IS ALLOWED. BECAUSE THE PROPERTY OWNER HAVE VIOLATED THE LAWS THAT YOU WANT US -- THAT YOU WANT THE CITY TO ENFORCE FOR CHAPTER 5 -- FOR CHAPTER 5 BUILDING CODE AND CHAPTER 27 ZONING REGULATION. BUT I WANT TO JUST REITERATE IS THAT I ALONG WITH MICHAEL SCHMIDT. OTHER ATTORNEYS. WE BEGGED. TEXT MESSAGED OUR OWN PERSONAL FRIENDS TO TRY TO BE VOLUNTEER SPECIAL MAGISTRATES. THERE WERE NO BITES AT IT. NO BITES. WE -- WE SOUNDED THE ALARMS. THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, THE CLERK'S OFFICE HAS SOUNDED THE ALARMS -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BEFORE YOU GO DOWN THERE. ONE CLARIFICATION ON THE ONE ISSUE THAT I ASKED ABOUT. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: GO AHEAD. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AGAIN. I AM A HOMEOWNER AND FOR SOME REASON, MAYBE I DID INHERIT A THAT HAD CODE ENFORCEMENT VIOLATIONS AND CODE ENFORCEMENT COME OUT AND DISCOVERED THESE. I AM NOW RESPONSIBLE FOR PUTTING THIS PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE. I AM ACCRUING -- I AM ACCRUING DAILY FINES FOR MONTHLY FINES, HOWEVER IT IS DONE. BUT NOW THAT I AM AWARE MUCH IT, I HAVE GONE TO CITY TO TRY TO FIX THIS ISSUE BUT GOING THROUGH THE CITY IN THIS PROCESS SOMETIMES IS CUMBERSOME AND TAKES MONTHS. SEEMS ODD WE DON'T HAVE A PROCESS TO STOP OR ABATE THE FINES AT THAT POINT OR HOLD THEM IN ABEYANCE WHILE I AM IN THE PROCESS OF FIXING THE PROBLEM I MAY NOT EVEN BEING AWARE OF. IF I AM DOING MY PART, COULDN'T WE ACCOMPLISH THAT THROUGH OUR COUNCIL HAS TO GET THROUGH THE ORDINANCE OR THE MAYOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDER. DO WE HAVE TO CREATE AN ORDINANCE -- >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: I CAN BLOCK THAT, MR. CHAIR, AND REASON IS THAT UPDATED RESEARCH AT SECOND READING. ALAN CLENDENIN: HAVING GOING THROUGH HURRICANE DAMAGE, I KNOW HOW HARD IT IS TO GET PERMITS AND STUFF. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: I TOTALLY -- YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE A HOUSE THAT IS X NUMBER OF DECADES OLD AND KNOW THINGS HAVE HAPPENED AND IT IS DIFFICULT. AND I DIDN'T HAVE ANY. I DIDN'T HAVE NONCOMPLIANCE ISSUES BUT I CAN SEE -- TAKES SO LONG TO GET PERMITS AND WOULD BE FRUSTRATING TO HAVE THE NINES PILE UP -- EVEN THOUGH I AM TRYING MY HARDEST TO GET IT DONE. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: I UNDERSTAND AND THE BEAUTY OF OUR CODE AND ALLOWING FOR A FINE REDUCTION HEARING PROCESS AND THE BEAUTY OF THE EXECUTIVE ORDER ALLOWING THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO SETTLE CODE ENFORCEMENT LIENS. SOFT COST LIENS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ONLY HINGE I AM PESSIMISTIC BECAUSE DISCRETIONARY. DEPENDS ON THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE OR THE STAFF THAT CAN WAIVE THAT. ONE PERSON MAY WAIVE IT AND ONE PERSON ALREADY NOT. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: ACTUALLY NOT DISCRETIONARY. HOW IT IS IN THE EXECUTIVE AMOUNT. THAT IS NOT DISCRETIONARY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHETHER THEY WAIVE IT OR NOT. A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE CAN WAIVE THE FEES. THEY CAN REDUCE THE FEES AND REDUCE THE FINES, EXCUSE ME. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: RIGHT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BUT THEY MAY NOT REDUCE THE FINES. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: IF THAT IS WHAT THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. CLENDENIN CONTACT LENSES I DON'T LIKE THAT -- IF SOMEBODY IS BEING DUE DILIGENCE. BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND IF YOU EXPLORE THE OPPORTUNITIES TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO RESOLVE THAT CONCERN. I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE ME HAPPY -- MAKE ME EVEN MORE AMICABLE TO BE THIS. COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: I WILL WE WILL SEARCH THAT, MR. CHAIR AND CONTACT YOU BEFORE SECOND READING WITH MY RESEARCH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JUST SO YOU KNOW. I AM VERY MUCH APPRECIATE I HAVE IT OF YOUR RESPONSIVENESS. WE WERE TALKING INTO THE PHONE LATE INTO THE EVENING LAST NIGHT. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: LATE LAST NIGHT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: I WOULD SUGGEST -- BECAUSE WE ARE TURNING THIS INTO A WORKSHOP ON STEROIDS. READ THIS ORDINANCE WITH THE MINOR CHANGES BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND AND IF PEOPLE WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT FURTHER, WE CAN WORKSHOP BECAUSE HUMAN ISSUES AND HUMAN WEALTH THERE, AND SHOULD BE A LOT OF EMPATHY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL? >>LYNN HURTAK: I MEAN, I AM HAPPY TO READ THE ORDINANCE WITH THE CHANGES THAT WE WANT BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING. I STILL THINK A WORKSHOP IS A GOOD IDEA, BUT I THINK A WORKSHOP -- I THINK WE WOULD NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT DURING MAYBE OLD BUSINESS NEXT SESSION. AND JUST KIND OF COME UP WITH AN IDEA WHAT WE WOULD WANT THAT TO LOOK LIKE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AGREE. >>LYNN HURTAK: MAYBE SCHEDULE FOR SUMMER. IT WOULD NEED SOME TIME TO REALLY FLESH IT OUT. BECAUSE THIS IS ISSUE THAT -- OBVIOUSLY EACH ONE YOU HAVE US HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THIS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GO FOR IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO I -- FILE NUMBER E 2025-8 CHAPTER 9, ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION CONSIDERATION. ORDINANCE -- SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE. ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA MAKING COMPREHENSIVE REVISIONS TO CODE OF ORDINANCES, CHAPTER 9, REPEALING ALL ORDINANCE AND PARTS OF ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT THEREWITH, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE, INCLUDING MODIFYING SECTION 3 TO SPECIFY THAT WE WANT TO USE VOLUNTEER MAGISTRATES AS PRIORITY AND PAID LAWYERS AS BACK-UP AND, CHAIR -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING STAFF WILL REPORT ON THE OPPORTUNITIES TO ABATE FINES WHILE THE HOMEOWNER OR THE PROPERTY OWNER IS TRYING TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WILL SECOND THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. HE BEAT YOU YOU TOO IT, COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. AYES HAVE IT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I SAY ONE THING? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BEFORE YOU -- BEFORE THE SECOND READING. GO AHEAD AND DO THE SECOND READING. >>CLERK: DECEMBER 4, 2025, CITY COUNCIL, 315 EAST KENNEDY BOULEVARDS TAMPA FLORIDA 336062. >>BILL CARLSON: DO WE NEED TO VOTE -- ANNOUNCE THE VOTE? I VOTED NO. >>CLERK: MOTION CARE WITH CARSON VOTING NO. >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO SAY BEFORE MISS PETTIS-MACKLE. NO REFLECTION OF THE GOOD WORK, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE THE WORKSHOP BEFORE. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. 56. HELLO. >> HELLO, GOOD AFTERNOON, HEATHER BONDS, HISTORIC PRESERVATION SPECIALIST. POWERPOINT TO COME UP, PLEASE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: POWERPOINT. CCTV. CAN WE GET IT ON COUNCIL'S DISPLAYS TOO? HERE WE GO, THANK YOU. >> TODAY I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE TO PRESENT A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE BARRIO LATINO COMMISSION OF A TAX AD VALOREM EXEMPTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT'S LIKE MA. >> IT IS A POSITIVE INCENTIVE PROGRAM WITH THE CITY IN ADDITION TO THE COUNTY. OFFERED TO BOTH HOMEOWNERS AND COMMERCIAL BUILDING OWNERS IN LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT TO OFFSET THE COST OF REHABILITATING THE HISTORIC PROPERTIES. APPLICATION BEFORE YOU TODAY IS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING LOCATED AT 2234 EAST 7th AVENUE IN THE YBOR CITY HISTORIC DISTRICT. CURRENTLY OWNED BY YBOR NUCCIO LCC. THE TWO-STORY BRICK BUILDINGS WERE COMPLETED SEPARATELY IN 1910 AND 1926 AND BOTH CONTRIBUTE TO YBOR CITY'S LOCAL AND NATIONAL HISTORIC LAND MARK DISTRICTS. ORIGINALLY BUILT FOR THE KEYHOE FURNITURE COMPANY AND THE FAMILY FOR DESIGN INTERIORS. STRUCTURE HAS UNDERGONE SEVERAL FACELIFTS OR CHANGES THROUGHOUT ITS HISTORY. ORIGINAL FACADES ARE SHEEN HERE FROM A CIRCA 1925 BURGETT BROTHERS PHOTO. ARE HERE ARE THE BEFOREs AND AFTERs. HERE IS THE WESTERN STRUCTURE BEFORE AND AFTER WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE FULL STOREFRONT RECONSTRUCTION AS THE ORIGINAL STOREFRONT HAD BEEN REMOVED AND FILLED. AND THE EASTERN STRUCTURE ALSO INTRODUCED HISTORICALLY APPROPRIATE WINDOWS, RESTORED THE AWNING, AND REHABILITATED THE STOREFRONT. HERE, SOME INTERIORS BEFORE AND AFTER THAT SHOWED THE GUTTED INTERIOR TRANSFORMED WITH WOOD FLOORING AND BEADBOARD CEILINGS. THE BUILDINGS ARE CONNECTED AND OPEN TO EACH OTHER ON THE INTERIOR. THIS IS THAT CONNECTION. THIS IS THE SECOND FLOOR WHICH REMAINS UNOCCUPIED AND READY FOR OFFICE USE NOW. THE SECOND FLOOR UTILIZES MATERIALS THAT ARE THINKS TORIC WITH WOOD FLOORS, BEADBOARD CEILINGS AND WOOD SUPPORT POST. WITH SUCH CARE TO DETAIL AND BRINGING BACK TO LIFE ANOTHER STRUCTURE IN YBOR CITY'S HISTORIC 7th AVENUE, THE BARRIO LATINO COMMISSION APPROVED WITH THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS OF REHABILITATION AND VOTED TO FAVORABLY RECOMMEND THIS TAX EXEMPTION TO IT THE CITY COUNCIL. STAFF RESPECTFULLY REQUESTS YOUR APPROVAL OF THIS HISTORIC PROPERTY AD VALOREM TAX EXEMPTION FROM 3724 EAST 7th AVENUE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COMPLIMENTS WHOEVER EXPECT RESTORATION WORK. BECAUSE MY FRIEND AND I JOKE OF THE '70s AND '80s. SO MUCH FROM CARS TO CLOTHING TO WHAT HAPPENED. YOU SAW THE PICTURE FROM 1973, COMPLETELY CHANGED THE FAT SAD. WHERE THE BRICK WAS HIDDEN AND SOMETHING METAL. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT WHAT A BEAUTIFUL RESTORATION. AND WHAT I CYCLONE THAT THEY KEPT THE GHOST SIGN ON THE SIDE WHERE YOU SEE FURNITURE. SOME MAYBE NOT ORIGINAL FOR WHEN THE BUILDING WAS BUILT, BUT STILL A GLIMPSE INTO THE PAST OF YBOR CITY. SOME, YEAH, NO, THIS IS A GREAT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: REMEMBER THAT SOMETHING CAN ONLY BE ORIGINAL ONE TIME. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SOMEBODY THOUGHT THAT BUILDING OVER THERE WAS BEAUTIFUL AT SOME POINT. OKAY, COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE THIS ONE? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PUBLIC COMMENT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. ANYONE WIN TO SPEAK. MOVE TO CLOSE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO AND SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ORDINANCE PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING. APPROVING A HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION EXEMPTION OF REHAB STATION OF YBOR NUCCIO LCC IN THE HISTORIC HISTORIC DISTRICT BASED ON TERN FINDING NOTICE TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER AND PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. THE AYES HAVE IT WITH A COUGH. >> THANK YOU. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH VIERA ABSENT AT VOTE. SECOND READING DECEMBER 4, 2025 AT 10 A.M. CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS 315 E. KENNEDY, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33606. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF WE HAVE NUMBER 64 BECAUSE SOME OTHERS MAY BE LENGTHY AND THIS IS A SHORT TWO-MINUTE THING. ALAN CLENDENIN: WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE WILL HEAR ITEM 64 FIRST. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I APOLOGIZE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO QUICKLY MOVE 58, 59, 60, AND 61. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: 58, 59, 606 AND 612. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE WILL HEAR ITEM 64. ARE YOU GOING TO HEAR ITEM 64? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, BRAD SUITOR, PARKS AND RECREATION. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE REASON I ASKED. UNFORTUNATE WE HAVE SOME CHANGEOVER IN THE APARTMENTS RECENTLY. I ASKED FOR TO YOU COME HERE SO I CAN SAY TO GET IT ON TV. THAT'S ALL. IT IS JUST I APPRECIATE THEY ARE CALLING AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING SOMETHING. >> ANYTHING SPECIFIC? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MINOR THINKS WE TALKED ABOUT WHERE THE SUN HITS ALL THE TIME WITH THE DOG PARK. KIDS CAN TO ESPECIALLY AND CLOSE IT AND AFRAID THAT A DOG WILL RUN OUT AND WHO KNOW WHAT IS WILL HAPPEN. IN THE BACK SIDE LOOKS LIKE AN ALLEY WAY GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE OTHER TIDE. AND FROM ONE SIDE TO THE OTHER AND A THREE-FOOT DROP FROM EACH SIDE AND NOTHING TO HOLD THE COPS BACK FROM FALLING IN. >> I WILL TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT THAT LAST ITEM. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE LOCK HAS BEEN CORRECTED AND WE WILL LOOK INTO THAT FOR YOU. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH. SORRY TO PUT YOU THROUGH ALL THIS. GETTING KNEW WHAT WE DO. I DON'T WANT TO DO WHAT YOU DO -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF I HAVE TO SIT THROUGH THIS, SO DO YOU. HOW IS THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT CONCLUDES ITEM 62. SO ITEM NUMBER -- SORRY, 64. VIERA IS NOT HERE. THAT IS WHAT I KNOWN IN THE SAY. LET'S JUST -- COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, IF YOU CAN HEAR MY VOICE, COME IN. >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST A REMINDER, ITEMS THAT WERE STILL PULLED FROM THE AGENDA, 20, 23R AND 26. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE CAN DIVE NO THOSE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S DO IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR. WANTED TO PULL THESE JUST TO KIND OF TALK ABOUT -- MY THING IS WHEN YOU ARE FIVE PAGES OF FINANCIAL RESOLUTIONS THAT I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO DISCUSS THEM. SO I AM HOPING TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION AND I WANT TO THANK MR. PERRY AND HIS OFFICE FOR SENDING OUT THE MEMO LAST NIGHTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS WE ARE NOT USING CLT MONEY AND MOVING THAT AROUND. BECAUSE, WOW, DID WE GET COM COMMENTS ABOUT THAT. >> THANK YOU. I TRULY APOLOGIZE FOR ITS MESS-UP ON NUMBER 19. IT JUST DISAPPEARED. AND IT -- IT MAGICALLY REAND ON THE AGENDA AND TO SORT OF ADD SALT TO THE WOUND, WE ACTUALLY GOT E-MAILS LAST NIGHT THAT IT WAS RETURNED TO THE SUBMIT TER. YOU CAN IMAGINE WE WERE RUSHING TO PREPARE A NEW ONE AND WE MADE SOME MISTAKES. WITH THAT, I AM GOING TO USE THE WOLF. CAN YOU ALL SEE THAT UP THERE. SO THERE ARE FIVE ITEMS ON THE FINANCIAL RESOLUTION. PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ONE IS ITS GENERAL FUND ADJUSTMENTS. I WILL GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THEM. WE WILL CLOSE THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT. TALKING OF FEMA REIMBURSEMENT AND GOLF COURSE AND STREETCAR OPERA OPERATIONS. AND AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN PERSONNEL. AND I WILL TALK ABOUT PERSONNEL HERE LATER. NEXT SLIDE. SO PERSONNEL ADJUSTMENT 3.5. ONE SLIDE, $300,000 FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. HOW WE ARE FOUNDING IT. FUNDING IT RECOGNIZING INCREASED REVENUE. IF YOU LOOK AT THE FINANCIAL RESOLUTION, YOU ARE RECOGNIZING THE PATIENT PROGRAM THAT THE STATEMENTS CONTRIBUTES FOR BOTH THE FIRE AND THE -- THE FIRE AND THE POLICE F&P PENSION. WE ARE ALSO RECOGNIZING ADDITIONAL REVENUE FROM THE CONVENTION CENTER. THEY FUND THEIR OWN. AND ALSO THE FEAR EXTRA DUTY. WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT USE ANYTHING FUND BALANCE IN ORDER TO FUND THIS FINANCIAL RESOLUTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: 23 AND 26. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: JUST FOR THE PUBLIC, CAN YOU TELL US -- CAN YOU TELL US WHAT IN THE LAST SLIDE, WHAT -- WHAT THE PERSONNEL COSTS ARE GOING FORWARD? LIKE WHAT IS IT ACTUALLY GOING TO BE BE USED FOR SO THE PUBLIC CAN UNDERSTAND? >> AGAIN, IT DEPENDS -- DEPENDS ON THE DEPARTMENT. AND WE DON'T DELINEATE THAT WITHIN THE FINANCIAL RESO RESOLUTIONS.SO I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION HERE. BUT I WILL TELL YOU WHEN SOMEBODY RETIRES, CITY COUNCIL IS ON THAT BECAUSE MISS MARY BRIAN RETIRED. AND SHE REQUIRED THAT. WE HAD INCREASES IN HEALTH CARE. IT WAS REALLY A BAD YEAR FOR THE CITY'S HEALTH COSTS. AND COULD BE INCREASED SALARY AND VARIOUS OUR THINGS. IF YOU WANT ME TOO, I CAN GIVE YOU MORE DELINEATION. >>BILL CARLSON: JUST WHEN THE PUCK LING HAS A GENERAL IDEA. SOME OF THESE ARE SELF-EX SELF-EXPLANATORY. OTHERS MAY NOT BE. A SHORT EXPLANATION SO THE PUBLIC WOULD KNOW. >> PERSONNEL ARE OUR SALARIES AN BENEFITS OF INCOME TAXES. THAT IS PAYS OUR EMPLOYEES. OPERATING EXPENSES THINGS LIKE CONTRACTUAL SERVICES, SUPPLIES, MEDICAL, T&I, MOTOR POOL, INSURANCE. WHICH IS IN THE OPERATING. IS THAT WHAT YOUR LOOKING AT, SIR? >>LYNN HURTAK: MISS COPESKY GAVE EACH OF US AN E-MAIL. >>BILL CARLSON: NOT FOR ME. BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY IN THE PUBLIC READS EVERYTHING. AND I AM NOT SURE THAT -- HER NOTE IS HELPFUL, BUT I AM NOT SURE IT WAS POSTED. I WANTED THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND. >>LYNN HURTAK: ABSOLUTELY. I ACTUALLY WANT HER TO COME AND TALK ABOUT THAT. SO THAT IS A GOOD SEGUE. I APPRECIATE THAT. >> THANK YOU, SIR. WILL CLENDENIN, YESTERDAY DURING THE BRIEFING, YOU ASKED SOMETHING ABOUT WHY DID THIS PERSONNEL COST GO UP. TERMINAL LEAVE, WHICH IS VACATION AND SICK LEAVE UPON AN EMPLOYEES DEPARTURE FROM THE CITY, HEALTH CARE COSTERS.YOU GO -- COSTS. YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHEN I DO THE PERSONAL BUDGET, THEIR SNAPSHOT IS TAKEN IN MAY AND GAPED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WE KNOW IN MAY AND JUNE; HOWEVER, THINGS CHANGE. I AM GOING TO USE A LITTLE BIT OF AN EXAMPLE OF ME. THAT FOR THE LONGEST TIME, HE WAS ON MY WIFE'S HEALTH CARE. I WASN'T PAYING IN ANY HEALTH CARE. SHE LEFT THAT COMPANY, AND I WENT -- I HAD TO COME -- COMING BACK ON THE CITY. WELL, AGAIN, IT IS NOT THAT MUCH, BUT IT COSTS THE CITY -- LE LET'S SAY THAT ADDITIONAL $ $10,000. PENSION. BY ENTERED THE DROP IN FEBRUARY. CITY IS NO LONGER PAYING MY RETIREMENT. WHEN I DEPART, MY REPLACEMENT WILL BE PICK BECOME UP THAT STUFF THIS. AND I PLAN ON BEING HERE FOR ANOTHER THREE YEARS, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW. AGAIN IF YOU HAVE PROJECTED SAL REEL INCREASES. GET A MIDYEAR. POSITION INCREASES. WE GO THROUGH THAT YOU FORMAL PROCESS WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, WITH AT CHIEF OF STAFF APPROVING ALL POSITION INCREASES AND WE HAVE VACANT POSITIONS, WEE WITH BUDGET THEM AT THE MINIMUM. JUST THE PRACTICE WE HAVE. WE BRING THEM ABOVE THE MINIMUM AND THAT IS AN IMPACT ON THE SALARY. SO ANY QUESTIONS FOR INCREASES ON PERSONNEL BUDGET? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: THIS ARE IS NOT ABOUT YOU, BUT THE SENSITIVITY IN THE PUBLIC. YOU KNOW WE HAVE AN ARMY OF -- OF COMMUNITY LEADERS NOW THAT ARE DIGGING THROUGH OUR BUDGET AND LOOKING AT EVERYTHING. AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT SEEMS INNOCUOUS SAYS PROJECTED SALARY INCREASES. AS YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST, THE ADMINISTRATION HAS COME BACK TO US AFTERWARDS AND SAID YOU APPROVED, LET'S SAY FOR ALL I KNOW, V00 NEW EMPLOYEES COMING ON BOARD. THAT IS NOT PROBABLY IN THIS CASE, BUT THAT -- THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WOULD COME BACK. Y'ALL APPROVED IT. ANOTHER EXAMPLE WAS THE $11 MILLION THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO FOR -- THAT COUNCILMAN VIERA ALLOCATED FOR THE FIRE STATION. AND THEN WE SAID WHERE DID IT GO. AND NOBODY KNEW. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS TRUE BUT I HEARD IT WENT TO FAIR OAKS. BUT NEVER -- TO BE MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE WAS NEVER A SIDE-BY-SIDE COMPASSION TAKE CAN THE 11 MILLION OUT OF THE FIRE STATION AND PUT IT IN FAIR OAKS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. UP WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING WE APPROVED IMPLIES MAJOR POLICY CHANGE. OTHER THING WHILE I HAVE THE FLOOR, WE HAVE A RULE TO CHIEF OF STAFF ADMINISTRATOR. WE HAVE A RULE ALL THIS ANYTHING ABOVE $5 MILLION HAS TO AUTOMATICALLY GO INTO STAFF REPORTS. THIS IS $31 MILLION SPLIT NEWSPAPER SEVERAL DIFFERENT THING. WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER RULE ANYTHING ABOVE $20 MILLION PROBABLY SAYS CAPITAL PROBLEMS, BUT EVERYTHING ABOVE $20 MILLION HAS TO READ TWICE TO HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. I WISH THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WOOING HAVE JUST AUTOMATICALLY PUT THIS IN STAFF REPORTS INSTEAD OF US HAVING TO PULL IT. AGAIN THAT IS NOTHING ABOUT YOU. I THINK JUST FOR TRANSPARENTLY ISSUE. >> I WAS UNAWARE OF THE FIRST ONE, THE $30 MILLION ONE. I KNOW YOU HAVE A $3 MILLION REQUIREMENT ON CONTRACTUAL SERVICES AND THE VALUE OF THIS IS ABOUT $8 MILLION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAD THOSE SAME CONCERNS AND I CALLED MR. PERRY AND WE HAD A COVERS CONVERSATION AND ALLEVIATED MY CONCERNS. WHAT ARE WE MISSING. UP THE HOOD AND WHAT YOU ARE FIND WHAT HAD YOU DON'T KNOW. I APPRECIATE -- HE GAVE ME SIMPLE AGES BUT SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR SOMEONE LIKE ME TOE UNDERSTAND. >> LIKE IN THE PERSONNEL, WHILE 3MILLION CECIL A LOT OF MONEY, I WILL RECOGNIZE THAT, OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND PERSONNEL BUDGET REPRESENTS ELSE WILL THAN AN 1% ADJUSTMENT. >>BILL CARLSON: MY COLLEAGUES HEAR ME ASK QUESTIONS. THAT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE 50 OR WHATEVER COMMUNITY LEADERS THAT ARE WATCHING THAT ARE LOOKING THROUGH THE DOCUMENTS AND THEY ARE TRYING TO ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JUST STEPHANIE. [LAUGHTER] >>BILL CARLSON: BUT THE IDEA IS THAT THEY -- AS THE PUBLIC IS WATCHING, THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE IS TRANSPARENCY FOR THEM. NOT TO TRY TO WASTE ANYBODY'S TIME. JUST TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A FULL AIRING OF EVERYTHING ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME THINGS LIKE THE $11 MILLION. THAT DIDN'T SOUND RIGHT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM 23? >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK HE HAS MORE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU HAVE MORE? >> I COULD STOP RIGHT HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAD SUCH A GOOD BRIEFING. AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT, $80.4 MILLION WE GOT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WITH COVID. WE HAD A REQUIREMENT TO ENCUMBER ALL THE FUNDS LAST DECEMBER AND EX-PEND THE NUNLDZ T-- FUNDS IN TWO YEARS. AND OF THE $80 MILLION PLUS ALL THE INTEREST LEARNED OVER THE PROGRAM. WE WILL FINALIZE THAT. AND YOU KNOW, WE HAD A LOT OF PROGRAMS. WE DID FIRE AND POLICE, FIRE VEHICLES, POLICE VEHICLES, FACILITIES, CAPITAL PROJECTS, FIRE CAPITAL PROJECTS, AND REALLY HELPED US RECOVER OUR REVENUES LOST WITHIN THE GENERAL FUND DURING COVID. FEMA, WE SON WENT LONG WITHOUT A [KNOCKING] -- A STORM FROM 2004 TO 2017. AND WE HAVE BEEN HIT, SO WE HAVE BEEN IN FEMA. WE ARE WORKING AND THIS RESOLUTION ADDRESSES OF EXPERIENCES RELATED TO MILTON AND HELENE. WE ARE WORKING WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ON HELENE AND IDALIA. IDALIA, IT IS UP TO THE STATE TO REVIEW THAT AND WE ARE WORKING DILLIGENTLY WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF OUR CLAIMS FOR HELENE AND MILTON. UNDER THE CALL SHARE AGREEMENT, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PICKS UP 75% WORCESTER 12 AND A HALF BY THE STATE AND LOCAL. AND I WILL TELL WHAT THE CATEGORIES ARE. CATEGORY C-G. LUCKILY, PRESIDENT BIDEN SAID FOR CATEGORIES A AND B, DEBRIS AND HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS, 100% REIMBURSEMENT BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. SO WE WENT AHEAD AROUND CALCULATED WHATEVER THE WATER, AND SOLID WASTE AND WASTEWATER AND INCOUPLE BLAMESES AND PUL-- INC ENCUMBRANCES AND AN ALTERNATIVE WE CHOSE INSTEAD OF GOING OUT AND GET DEBT LIKE SPARTANBURG THERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW ARE BE DOING ON THE REIMBURSEMENT ON THESE HURRICANE FUNDS SUNSHINE IN BECAUSE I KNOW MR. ROGERO CAME BACK USTO US. MAYBE IT WAS STOR BEFORE AND BASICALLY SAID WE ARE GETTING SOME OF THAT BACK. HOW HOW ARE WE DOING? >> AGAIN, LIKE I SAID FOR -- I WILL TELL A STORY I AM NOT SURE WHICH CAME UP FIRST, IDALIA BUT IAN, BUT WHATEVER THE STORM WAS, HE WAS IN THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER GETTING TECHS FIVE YEARS AFTER IRMA THAT WE FINALLY CLOSED. SO IT IS A VERY LONG PROCESS. MY UNDERSTANDING ON IRMA AND IAN. IRMA -- SORRY, IDALIA AND IAN, THEY HAVE BEEN FULLY OBLIGATED BY THE GOVERNMENT YOU HAVE ABOUT THE STATE HAS TO DO THEIR REVIEW. UNDER THE FEMA PROCESS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY UNDER WAY RIGHT NOW. THE STATE IS THE GRANT -- WHO IS RECEIVING THE MONEY FOR UNDER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WE ARE A SUB GRANT AGREEMENT. AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA WANTS TO ENSURE THEIR IF THEY GIVE US THEIR MONEY, THAT WE ACTUALLY EARNED IT. AND THEY REQUIRED A 100% AUDIT FOR ERMA AND THAT TOOK SOME TIME. NOW AS FAR AS HELENE AND MILTON, WE HAVE SUBMITTED OUR CLAIMS. WE HAVE WORKED WITH FEMA. WE WORKED WITH OUR CONSULTANT. WE FEEL PRETTY GOOD. FOR EVERYTHING -- THE SMALL PROJECTS. AND HOW FEMA DOES CAPITAL PROJECTS IS ANYTHING UNDER $1 MILLION, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO COME OUT AND IN THE. THEY WILL JUST GO AHEAD AND WRITE YOU A CHECK AND SAY WE HAVE A SERIES OF PARKS. WE ARE GOING TO GROUP THEM TOGETHER TO TRY TO GET $1 MILLION AND THIS WILL GO THROUGH. WE HAVE TWO BIG PROJECTS. OBVIOUSLY FIRE STATION 17. AND I APOLOGIZE THE NAME OF THE PIER. I KEEP FORGETTING SOMETHING IN. >>LYNN HURTAK: BALLAST POINT PIER. >> PAL LAST POINT PEER. I APOLOGIES. THEY ARE LARGE PROJECTS BECAUSE WILL EXCEED $1 MILLION. THEY WILL BE TREATED SORT OF LIKE A CAPITAL PROJECT. NOW FEMA HAS COME DOWN AND HAVE LOOKED AT FIRE STATION 17, AND THEY HAVE LOOKED AT THE BALLAST POINT PIER. THEY ALSO LOOKED AT THE -- AT THE DAM. AND THE DAM THEY SAID THAT WASN'T CAUSED BY THE HURRICANE. SO THEY -- SO THEY ARE LOOKING AT IT. AND I AM GOING TO BIFURCATE THE FIRE STATION 17. WE ARE GETTING REIMBURSED FOR THE TEMPORARY HOUSING THAT THE FR FIRE FIGHTERS ARE IN. THEY REALIZE WE CAN'T PUT THEM IN THAT FACILITY. AND OUR NEXT STEP IS TO WORK BECAUSE -- I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO REPLACE FIRE -- REBUILD FIRE STATION 17 AS IS, BUT WE DO SOME MITIGATION EFFORTS FOR FEAR INSTALLATION 17. AGAIN OUR CONSULTANT WHIT O'BRIAN IS WORKING WITH OUR STAFF AND WORK INGING WITH LOOK TO FEMA. REAL IF I CAN. IF YOU CAN PUT IT BACK ON THE WOLF, THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, THE SATURDAY A DEBRIS REMOVAL AND THE EMERGENCY PROTECTIVE MEASURE IS WHEN WE BASICALLY LOCK EMPLOYEE INTO THE EMERGENCY RESPONSE CENTERS, A, B. 1, 2 AND 3. I APOLOGIZE AND WE HAVE PEOPLE AT FIRE STATION POLICE FORCE AND THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER. THE PREPARATION OF OUR FACILITY AND CATEGORIES FROM ROADS, BRIDGES AND PARKS AND RECRE RECREATION. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON FEMA? THE NEXT TWO, RECONCILIATION. RECOGNIZES ADDITIONAL REVENUE FROM THE GOLF COURSE OF THAT $700,000. AND INCREASE THE RESERVES. THAT PUTS NEWS A VERY GOOD PLACE NEXT YEAR. TO HAVE A GOLF COURSE WITH THAT FUNDING. THAT IS $700,000. AND FINALLY STREET CAR. ONE OF THE THINGS THE STREET CAR DID WITH '25 IS HIT US WITH COSTAL OCCASION. THEY NEVER DID BEFORE. THEY SAID THIS IS WHAT WILL COST TO OPERATE IT WITHOUT BRINGING IN THEIR OVERHEAD. MOVING BACK AND FORTH OF HOW THEY ALLOCATED THAT AND PART OF THE INCREASES PART OF THAT INCREASE IS COSTAL OCCASION AND STREET CAR REVENUES -- STREET CAR FUND BALANCE AND TAKING $700,000 FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO PAY FOR THAT. AND KIND OF UNIQUE ON HOW WE MANAGE FINANCIALLY THE STREET CAR NOT A TRANSFER FROM HERE TO THERE. >> THEY ARE A FIDUCIARY FUND. THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS ON OMNIBUS WHICH I THINK IS AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 29. >>LYNN HURTAK: 26. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION TO MOVE ITEM 23. >>LUIS VIERA: SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >>LYNN HURTAK: 23 WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT YET. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WAS. >>. >> THAT WAS 26. >>LYNN HURTAK: BEFORE HE MOVES TO 23, I WANT HAGAR -- I'M SORRY MISS COPESKY TO GO OVER THIS. BECAUSE I THINK COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAS GOT A GOOD POINT ABOUT WHAT WE ARE SPENDING ON PERSONNEL BECAUSE A BIG TOPIC WE DISCUSSED DURING THE BUDGET BUT OFTEN -- WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT GOES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE WILL HOLD OFF ON THE MOTION, MISS COPESKY. >>HAGAR KOPESKY: HELLO, HAGER COPESKY. A COMPONENT OF THIS RELATED TO PERSONNEL. WHEN I SAY PERSONNEL, I MEAN. HE SPECIFICALLY NOT THE PENSION PORTION OR THE OTHER -- LET'S CALL IT GENERAL WAGES AND OTHER. THERE WERE QUESTIONS AFTER THIS HIT THE AGENDA AND TO BREAK THIS OUT IN SOME MAJOR BUCKETS. MEEK SAID A ONE-TIME EXPENSE WHEN YOU HAVE A BUILD- YOU. REFERRED TO OF SOMETHING YOU WILL SEE IN THIS COLUMN FOR COUNCIL AND THAT DID COKERR IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS AS WELL. SOB TERMINALLY AS A CATEGORY WAS $370,000 OF THAT ONE MILLION ONE. SECOND COLUMN IN THE AREA WHERE YOU WILL BASICALLY SAY IN SOME FASHION OUTSIDE OF TYPICAL -- LET'S CALL IT COST OF LIVING AND OTHER, THERE WERE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WERE MADE TO SALARIES OVER THE COURSE OF THE YEAR. AND THESE DEPARTMENTS FELT THOSE IN A WAY TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS HENCE PART OF THE REALLOCATION RESO RESOLUTION. I WILL PAUSE ON THE THIRD COLUMN, MIKE. BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE THERE IS AN UNIQUE ASPECT TO THE CONVENTION CENTER WHERE THE PARTICULAR -- LET'S CALL IT LINE ITEM THAT WAS USED ARE OTHER SALARIES AND WAGES. WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT THIS YET, SO I DON'T EXPECT TO YOU NECESSARILY ADDRESS IT. IF YOU KNOW IT, THAT IS GREAT. >> MIKE PERRY, THEY MAY VERY WELL HAVE TPD OR TFR WORKING FOR THE EVENTS AND TPD AND TFR COSTS BACK AND WHAT WE USE SALARIES AND WAGES FOR. >>HAGAR KOPESKY: THE OTHERS ARE MUCH SMALLER. JUST TO CONFIRM I AM SAYING THIS CORRECTLY FOR CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS IN THE BUDGET, WOULD YOU ASSUME THERE COULD BE A GRANT ALLOCATION THAT WOULD OFFSET THE SALARIES AND I NOTICE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT MAY HAVE BEEN THAT YOU HAD THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE SOME EXISTING IN REVENUE AND FINANCE, FOR EXAMPLE, AND IF THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO OCCUR, IT WILL HAVE A -- I WON'T SAY "NEGATIVE" BUT OFFSETTING IMPACT TO THAT PARTICULAR LINE. THAT IS COMPONENT AS WELL. FOR THE MOST PAR, TWO BIGGEST COMPONENTS IS THE ONE-TIME EFFECT OF TERMINATE LEAVE AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN AFTER THE BUDGET. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: QUICK QUESTION, THE 180 IN CONTRACT ADMIN AND 100,000 IN EVO. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN THERE. >>MICHAEL PERRY: EBO ADDED ONE POSITION THAT ACCOUNTED FOR THAT. EITHER ONE OR TWO POSITIONS. BUT I KNOW IT WAS ONE. AND CONTRACT ADMIN. I WILL HAVE TO GO -- -- I DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM JUST SAYING BECAUSE THOSE ARE BIG NUMBERS. THAT IS AN INTERESTING ONE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING ELSE. ARE WE ALLOWED -- I KNOW THIS IS MISS KOPESKY'S THING. BUT ARE WE ALLOWED TO APPROVE AN EBO BUDGET WITH A NEW RULES FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL? >>LYNN HURTAK: ECONOMIC AND BUSINESS? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD SAY THIS OFF-LINE. >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WORDS ARE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT MAY MEAN SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T -- >>BILL CARLSON: THE OTHER THING IS MY -- IS THERE -- ON THE CONVENTION CENTER. SORRY, IT IS LATE IN THE DAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE NEVER LOOK AT SPREADSHEETS AGAIN AFTER LUNCH AGAIN. >>MICHAEL PERRY: THAT WILL MAKE THE BUDGET PUBLIC HEARINGS REAL QUICK. >>BILL CARLSON: IS THE CONVENTION CENTER SET UP BY AN ENTERPRISE FUND? >> NO, SIR, IT IS NOT IN THE GENERAL FUND AND YOU CAN GO EITHER WAY. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN WE SET IT UP AS AN ENTERPRISE FUND? >> REALLY UP TO THE ADMINISTRATION. >>BILL CARLSON: UP TO THE ADMINISTRATION OR CITY COUNCIL? >>MICHAEL PERRY: I HAVE PUNT ON THAT AND LET YOU ALL ARM WRESTLE ON THAT. >>BILL CARLSON: MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A P&L JUST FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER? BECAUSE WE KEEP SEEING ALL THESE COSTS COMING IN FROM DIFFERENT -- ESPECIALLY THE CAPITAL COST AND A HEAVY BURDEN OFTEN THE CRA. I WONDER, IS THERE ONE PLACE WHERE ALL THAT IS -- >>MICHAEL PERRY: FOR THE CONVENTION CENTER? YES, WE HAD TO DO SPECIAL REPORTING BECAUSE OF THE DEBT FROM THE CONVENTION CENTER. >>BILL CARLSON: ALL THE OPERATING EXPENSES AND EVERYTHING IS BROUGHT IN? BUFFER% YES. >>BILL CARLSON: WE CAN TALK BEEN THAT OFF-LINE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS IS BONDED MONEY. >>MICHAEL PERRY: AGAIN, I WOULD JUST -- WHILE THE CONVENTION CENTER IS MAKING MONEY, WHAT THEY ARE -- DURING COVID. THEY WEREN'T HAVING ANY CONVENTIONS. THE GENERAL FUND SUPPORTED THAT. DIDN'T HAVE TO IT IS MISS ANY OF THE EMPLOYEES A AND REDIRECTED THEIR ACTIVITIES AND AT THAT THE POINT, THE CONVENTION CENTER WAS A LOSING NET EXPENSE. LOSING, AND IT WAS PICKED UP BY THE GENERAL FUND. AND WE ARE SORT OF LUCKY THAT WE HAVE A GOOD CONVENTION CENTER. AND THEY ARE GENERAL LEGAL EARNING A NET INCOME. BUT THAT IS WITHOUT COSTAL OCCASION. >>BILL CARLSON: NOW NOT INCLUDING THE SUBSIDY FROM THE CRA AND OTHER COSTAL OCCASION AS SOON AS. >>MICHAEL PERRY: NOT ON THAT. ONLY SUBSIDY ON THE CRA IS TO PAY THE DEBT. >>BILL CARLSON: REASON WHY I ASK. TYPICALLY THE DOCUMENTS -- THE LAST TIME IN THE CFO PRESENTED DOCUMENTS TO US AND ON THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS. REVENUE ON ONE PAGE AND THE COST ON THE OTHER. NOT AN INCOME STATEMENT. WE KIND OF OF TO ADD IT UP ON OUR OWN AND SAW THERE WERE SEVERAL THAT WERE LOSING MONEY. AND FRED AND HIS TEAM HAD WORKED HAROLD TO TURN PARKING INTO A SURPLUS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE LOOKING INTO THESE VERYILY BECAUSE I ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS. ON SOME I'M TERMS THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T QUITE KNOW. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE PLACE WHERE IS ALL THE NUMBERS ARE SO THERE IS FULL TRANSPARENCY WITH THE PUBLIC. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE THOSE ITEMS. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE STILL NEED TO -- >>MICHAEL PERRY: ARE WE DONE WITH THE FINANCIAL RESOLUTION, MR. CHAIR? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES, PLEASE. >>MICHAEL PERRY: OKAY. THIS ONE SHOULD GO FATHERLY QUIC QUICKLY. THE FIRST THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT. THIS IS A NONCASH TRANSACTION. PURELY ON THE BALANCE SHEET. THERE ARE CASH TRANSACTIONS COLLECTING REVENUES. THAT IS CASH. CASH INCOMING. THIS IS A NONCASH TRANSACTION USED TO PUT THE ASSET AND THE LIABILITY ON THE BALANCE SHEET. I TALKED TO YOU OF THE BOTTOM LINE. THIS IS GAAP. WE ARE IN ALIGNMENT WITH GENERALLY ACCEPTABLE ACCOUNTING PRINCIPLES. READ OUR LAST AUDIT FINDING STAND SAYS WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH GAAP. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO DO. NOW WHAT HAPPENS AS SOON AS. THIS FINANCIAL RESOLUTION IS THE INITIAL RECOGNITION. >>LYNN HURTAK: PULL THE SHEET DOWN. KEEP HAVING THAT COME DOWN SO WE CAN SEE THE TOP. >>MICHAEL PERRY: I WAS TRYING TO AVOID THE. >>LYNN HURTAK: PERFECT. >>MICHAEL PERRY: OKAY. SO THIS IS THE INITIAL RECOGNITION OF THE FULL VALUE OF LIABILITY. AND BASED ON A CONTRACT. AND WHAT GASB HAS SAID, THAT YOU HAVE ENTERED A LONG TERM AGREEMENT FOR SERVICES, TECHNOLOGY SERVICES, WHICH IN FACT THEY ARE TREATING LIKE A DEBT. AND YOU WILL SEE IT THE LAST SLIDE, AS WE DO THIS DURING THE YEAR, THERE ARE IS A DEBT EXPE EXPENSE. I HIGHLIGHTED THE STUFF ON THE RIGHT TO SHOW THAT YOU THE TAMPA POLICE NUMBER REVENUE IS EQUAL TO THE TAMPA POLICE EXPENDITURE NUMBER. AND THE TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION AND REVENUE NUMBER IS THE SAME. I APOLOGIZE. I DID NOT PLAN ON HAVING THAT. I THOUGHT THE COLORS WOULD COME THROUGH. ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE CAN SEE IT ON OUR MONITORS. >>MICHAEL PERRY: OKAY. WHAT HAPPENS DURING THE ANNUAL -- THE BUDGET HERE? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOW ZOOM OUT. SO THE ANNUAL BUDGET EXPENDITURES. CURRENTLY BEFORE SBITA, THIS WILL BE AN OPERATING EX-FERNS. PRIMARILY OUT OF BULK HARDWARE AND SOFT WARE AND OTHER TECHNOLOGY LINE ITEMS, BUT WE ARE STILL PAYING $1,000. AFTER SBIDA, THE 2-B IS PAYING AN INTEREST EXPENSE OF $150. AND A PRINCIPAL PAYMENT OF $850 IS STILL $1,000 OUT THE DOOR. WE ARE PLACING IT IN DIFFERENT CATEGORIES WITHIN THE BUDGET. NOW I TALKED TO MY FIXED AS SIT SUPERVISE THEY ARE MORNING. HOW DO YOU CALCULATE THAT INTEREST RATE? WELL, HE SAID YOU FIGURE OUT THE LAST QUARTER WHAT THE INTEREST RATE IT AND YOU DO IT LIKE THAT. SO YOU SIGN A CONTRACT LIKE FOR ORACLE. NOT AN INTEREST RATE. WE COMBINE IT FOR THE EBITDA. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. PERRY, I AM CONCERNED OF THE MENTAL WELL BEING. YOU GOVERNMENT THE BIGGEST SMALLER ON YOUR FACE. YOU GOT TOTALLY GIDDY TALKING OF PRE SBITA AND POST SBITA. IT WAS LIKE SANTA CLAUS SLID DOWN THE CHIMNEY. THERE IS SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG. I SUGGEST YOU SEEK HELP. [LAUGHTER] >>LYNN HURTAK: WE LOAF THIS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS IS HAPPINESS. >>MICHAEL PERRY: AGAIN, THERE ARE IS PROFESSOR PERRY. LIKE -- YOU KNOW,LY HOEFSLER RETIRED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU STARTED GLOWING. >>MICHAEL PERRY: AND THEY PUT ME IN CHARGE OF THE ACCOUNTING OFFICE TOO. I GRADUATED U.T. DEGREE OF ACCOUNTING IN 1982. TOOK ME 43 YEARS FOR ME TO DO AN ACCOUNTING JOB. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MY GOODNESS. >>MICHAEL PERRY: WHAT IS THE FINANCIAL RESOLUTION, $30.6 MILLION. IMPLEMENT -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BRING IT DOWN A BIT. >>NAYA YOUNG: PROFESSOR PERRY, CAN YOU BRING IT DOWN A BIT. THANK YOU. >>MICHAEL PERRY: THE EXXON CONTRACT, I BELIEVE IT AS TEN-YEAR CONTRACT. THAT 28.9 WILL BE ADVERTISED OVER THE TEN YEARS. ON-BASE, 1.1. LOCAL OPTION GAS TAX, STORMWATER OPERATIONS FOR CITY WORKS. AND THAT COMPRISES THE $30.6 MILLION. DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU EXPLAINING THAT AND $30 MILLION CECIL IS A BIG NUMBER CANDY FREAK PEOPLE OUT. A GOOD THING THAT WE ARE ABLE TO SAY OKAY, WE JUST DID PASSES THAT AXON CONTRACT AND WILL BE OVER TEN YEARS. DOESN'T MEAN THERE IS MONEY IN THE BANK NECESSARILY, BUT JUST A DEBIT. >>MICHAEL PERRY: YES, MA'AM. HURTAK HORIZON I -- >>LYNN HURTAK: I KNOW THEY A LITTLE EXTRA WORK BUT WE WILL GET FEWER E-MAILS. >>BILL CARLSON: WHY I AM ASKING QUESTIONS WILL KEEP US FROM GETTING E-MAILS TOMORROW. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE AXON ONE BE ON A DIFFERENT ITEM. I DON'T KNOW WHY THE AXON -- WHY A $28 MILLION ONE WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF LITTLE ONES. SEEMS LIKE THE LITTLE ONES COULD BE ON A SEPARATE. >>MICHAEL PERRY: YOU ARE NOT APPROVING THE AXON CONTRACT HERE. >>BILL CARLSON: BECAUSE THE NUMBERS ARE SO BIG, THE PUBLIC, IN PARTICULAR, PAYS ATTENTION TO YOU. IMPLIED IN WHAT I'M SAYING, A LOT OF SKEPTICAL PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW. AND BECAUSE OF THE WAY NUMBERS VICE-PRESIDENTIAL -- THE ADMINISTRATION HAS DECIDED TO PRESENT NUMBERS IN THE PAST. SO AS THEY ARE LOOKING STEP AT THISCALLY -- /* -- SKEPTICALLY WITH THIS, LOOKING AT LITTLE ONES WITH A BIG ONES. PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AND SAYING IS THE ADMINISTRATION TRYING TO FULL A FAST ONE ON THIS. >>MICHAEL PERRY: I WILL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. >>BILL CARLSON: NOT TALKING OF THE CONTRACTING DEVELOPMENT, DEPARTMENT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, ARE YOU GOING TO MOVE THESE EYE. >>LUIS VIERA: YES, I AM. A GENTLEMAN FOR ITEM 62 NEEDS TO LIVE IF, IN ABOUT 25 MINUTES IF I MAY HAVE THAT ONE NEXT. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT ONE IS NEXT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO TO MOVE 23-26. SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>MICHAEL PERRY: THANK YOU, COUNCIL. HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: APPRECIATE YOUR WORK. THANK YOU. SO WE ARE AT -- WHERE ARE WE AT? 62. WE TRIED TO DO 626 BUT YOU WASN'T HEAR EARLIER. >>LUIS VIERA: MY BAD. THAT IS WHY I ASKED FOR IT BECAUSE I FELT BAD. MAY I SET THIS UP, MR. CHAIR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PLEASE DO. >>LUIS VIERA: CAN I SET THIS UP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY UP HERE. WE HAVE HERE REALLY GOOD PEOPLE. WILL SHAWN STEPHEN STEVENSON WHO IS HERE. RAQUEL PONCHO WITH OUR A.D.A. SECTION. SERGEANT MEL GARDNER HERE AND A SPECIAL YOUNG MANNER RICK KAISER. UP IF MAY COME UP, YOU ALL MAY. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I MOTIONED FOR. IT IS FOR THESE SLIPS. AND I WILL TALK ABOUT THEM. BUT ERIC HERE IS A 31-YEAR-OLD YOUNG MAN WHO WAS HIRED AS ONE OF OUR SPECIAL NEEDS INTERNS HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA UNDER THE PROGRAM WE PASSED A FEW YEARS AGO. AND I WILL GET INTO MY FRUSTRATION ON THAT BY THE WAY BALLS I AM NOT LETTING THAT GO. ERIC IS A YOUNG MAN ON THE SPECTRUM. AND WHAT HE IS HERE FOR IS SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL, BUT ON THE LARGER NOTE, IT IS WHY THIS PROGRAM SHOULD EXIST AND FULLY FUNDED AND WHY WE SHOULD HAVE MORE THAN TWO OR THREE INTERNS. EVERYBODY UP HERE AGREE ON THAT. NOT ADVERSARIAL OF ANYBODY IN THAT NATURE. ERIC WAS HIRED ORTO WORK WITH SHAWN. HE WORKS IN PURCHASING, RIGHT ARE ERIC? OKAY, IN PURCHASING AND HE CONTINUES TO WORK. IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE ERIC BROUGHT US TO TODAY IS SYMBOLIC AND REPRESENTATIVE WHY THIS PROGRAM IS SO GOOD AND WHY WE GOT TO DO IT AND FULLY FUND IT. ERIC IS LOOKING TO BE AN AMBASSADOR FOR AUTISM AND FOR SENSORY CHALLENGES HERE?THE CITY OF TAMPA. AND I CERTAINLY HOPE WE DOE THAT. MY QUESTION IS ON CONTINUE PROGRAM THAT WE WILL HEAR FROM ERIC, HOW MEANER RICKS HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO BENEFIT. WE ARE GOING TO MARY FLORIDA THEM. ABOUT GIVING SOMEBODY A SHOT AND GIVING A CHANCE WHO WANTS TO WORK WHO PARENTS WANT THEIR LOVED ONES WITH AN INTELLECTUAL DISABILITY OR SPECIAL NEEDS OR OTHERWILDES TO H-- OTHERWILDES WILL HAVE A ANOTHER SHOT OF LIFE AND HEARING FROM PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES. WE ARE HEARING ATTACK ON PLURALISM AND DIVERSITY IN THE WORKPLACE. THE WHOLE IDEA IF SOMEBODY HAS A DISABILITY, SOMEBODY IS A VETERANS, SOMEBODY IS A AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISPANIC LGBTQ, WHATEVER IT MAY ARE, THEY COME FROM A PERSPECTIVE THAT OTHERS CAN LEARN FROM. THAT SO ME IS NOT POLITICAL BUT A SERMON ON THE MOUNT, BUT WHATEVER. WHAT WE ARE RICK IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT ARE THESE BLUE SLIPS AND I WILL LITTLE HIM EXPLAIN WHAT THEY ARE. ERIC CAME UP WITH A PROGRAM WHENEVER A PERSON ON SPECTRUM -- AND RAQUEL WILL TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN EXPAND THIS AND I WILL BE MAKE ACT MOTION ON THIS. IF THEY ARE PULLED OVER BY LAW ENFORCEMENT AND HAND THIS BLUE SLIP OVER AND PERFORM THE OFFICER THAT THEY ARE ON THE SPECTRUM. IF I MAY, ERIC HAD GIVEN ME -- I WILL NOT READ THIS ALL, BUT A LETTER FROM HIS MOTHER, SUSAN. >> SHE WAS SUPPOSED STHO BE HERE TODAY AND SHE HAD A DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT THAT PREVENTED HER TO COME -- PREVENTED HER FROM COMING. IF YOU WANT TO PARAPHRASE AND PULL SOME OF THE KEY POINTS OUT OF IT. >>LUIS VIERA: PREBRIEFLY. I AM SUSAN KAISER. PROUD MOTHER OF AN AUTISTIC MOTHER ERIC KAISER IT WERE OF -- I AM GETTING TEARY EYED. IT HAPPENS. HOP STANDS BEFORE YOU TODAY FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF A PARENT AND EDGE THE CAPER. THE BLUE ENVELOPE PROGRAM CAN OFFER PALES OF MIND THAT OUR CHILD CAN TRAVEL SAFELY AND CONFIDENTLY AND NAVIGATE A DIFFICULT SITUATION LIKE A TRAFFIC STOP WITHOUT ENDANGERING THEMSELVES AND THE OFFICER ON SCENE PRESENTING THE BLUE ENVELOPE TO THE OFFICER. HE OR SHE WILL KNOW THEY ARE WORKING WITH AN INDIVIDUAL WHO MAY HAVE DIFFICULTY RESPONDING TO THEM. ERIC WAS INVOLVED IN A TRAFFIC ACCIDENT. BLUE ENVELOPE PROGRAM DOES NOT OFFICIALLY EXISTS HE KEEPS A BLUE ENVELOPE IN THE GLOVE BOX OF HIS CAR. THE POLICE OFFICER ARRIVED, ERIC FOLLOWED THE INSTRUCTIONS ON THE ENVELOPE KEEPING HIS HANDS ON THE STEERING WHEEL. HE INFORMED THE OFFICER HE HAD A BLUE ENVELOPE. THE OFFICER WASN'T SURE WHAT TO DO WITH THE ENVELOPE. HE SIDE CHECK THE BACK FLAP WITH THE ENVELOPE TO HELP THE OFFICER WITH INFORMATION. AND ERIC -- THEY BEGAN TO RESPOND TO EACH OTHER. INTERACTION WITH THE OFFICER AND ERIC WENT SMOOTHLY WITH LESS STRESS. SO FROM YOUR MOM. THAT IS AWESOME. SHE LOVES YOU AND SO PROUD OF YOU. SO I WANTED TO SET THAT UP. SO YOU WITH THE CHAIR'S PERMISSION HAVE AT IT. >>. >> I WILL GIVE YOU THE TWO CENTS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN YOU MOVE CLOSE TO THE PODIUM AND START WITH YOUR NAME. >> SURE. ERIC KAISER. T&I CONTRACTOR, GUI GUESS. FOR ME THIS WAS A PASSION PROJECT OF MINE. I ORIGINALLY COME FROM PENNSYLVANIA AS YOU GUYS CAN SEE ON THE ENVELOPE. IT IS NOT HERE FROM FLORIDA. IT'S -- JUST SOMETHING THAT I FELT IS ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF A STICKING POINT. I LIVED IN GEORGIA, I HAD A FRIEND WHO HAD GOTTEN STOPPED ALSO ON THE SPECTRUM. IT DIDN'T QUITE TURN OUT TOO WELL. HE -- HE WAS PUT IN THE BACK AND HIS PARENTS HAD TO COME AND COLLECT HIM. OF SINCE THEN, HE WAS PRETTY MUCH A SHUT-IN. ESPECIALLY DIDN'T REALLY -- SO -- IT'S -- JUST SOMETHING THAT I FEEL WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE PEACE OF MIND BOTH FOR THE DRIVER AND FOR THE OFFICER. AND NOT TO MENTION THE FAMILIES OF THOSE DRIVERS. SO THAT'S REALLY MY THOUGHTS ON IT. I WOULD HAVE PREPARED A LITTLE MORE, AND I -- I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY TO PREPARE A LITTLE MORE, BUT JUST SOMETHING I FEEL IS VERY NECESSARY LIKE A FICTION POINT. REMOVE THAT FRICTION POINT. MAKE IT SAFER AND EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO RECOGNIZE AS THAT SOMETIMES THE DRIVER MAY NOT HAVE THE WEAPONS INTERANCTION. ME, THE MORE RECENT ONE, LIKE IN THE LETTER, THE INTERACTION OF PULLING OFF TO THE SIDE WAMS A LITTLE MORE NERVE WRACKING FOR ME JUST BECAUSE THE CAR ALREADY SAID -- IT WAS OVERHEATING. I DON'T KNOW IF I -- BUT THANKFUL LEAVE THE OFFICER WAS CALM AFTER I SAID I HAVE A BLUE ENVELOPE. THERE ARE INSTRUCTIONS. HE WAS KIND OF -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOLD ON A SECOND. WOULD YOU MIND, LISA, PUTTING THIS ON THE WOLF FOR US. OR THE WHOLE THING. THAT IS THE LETTER THAT IS INSIDE THE BLUE ENVELOPE. >> YES. MUCH. >> WE GOT TO ZOOM OUT. >> YOU KNOW BETTER THAN ME. >> HERE WE GO. >> AND THEN -- THE BLUE ENVELOPE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THROW THAT DOWN ON THE BOTTOM WHERE THE LINES ARE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HIGHER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LOOK AT YOU MICROMANAGING. >> MERE WE GO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, LISA. >> YOU ARE WELCOME. >> THEN I'M GOING TO PASS IT OFF TO RAQUEL FROM HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VERY GOOD. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, RAQUEL, AMERICAN DISABILITIES ACT COORDINATORS. THANK YOU, CHAIR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR HAVING US PRESENT TODAY. WE ALSO APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA AND MIRANDA FOR ACTUALLY MAKING THIS MOTION. TRULY APPRECIATE ALL OF YO YOUR COMPASSION AND WORK TOWARD MEETING OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS' NEEDS INCLUDING THOSE WITH DISABILITIES. I SEE DO YOU TREMENDOUS WORK VERY REGULARLY. SOME BEFORE I ACTUALLY JUMP KNEW WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE THAT THIS LOCAL PUBLIC SAFETY COORDINATING COUNCIL IS ACTUALLY EXAMINING A PROGRAM THAT THEY MAY BE BRINGING IN TO THE LARGER TAMPA BAY AREA. SO WE ARE GOING TO BE MONITORING CLOSELY WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE STOOINSTITUTING. BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER THE CITY OF TAMPA IS INSTITUTE ALSO BE COHESIVE WITH THE OVERALL GOALS. PEOPLE TRAVEL IN AND OUT OF OUR CITY BOUNDARIES ALL THE THEME SO WE WANTED TO COHESIVE. BEFORE WE JUMP INTO THE ACTUAL DETAILS, I WANT TO DEBRIEF YOU A LITTLE BIT OF THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT HELP US HELP YOU SPECIAL NEEDS REGISTRY. THIS WAS INSTITUTED BACK IN 2018, A WAIVE THAT OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS, RESIDENTIAL, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REGISTER THEIR ADDRESS WITH THEIR -- EITHER THEY THEMSELVES OR THEIR LOVED ONES WITH INFORMATION ON THEIR DISABILITY, ANY COMMUNICATION LIMITATIONS, ANY BEHAVIORS THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT MAY SEE IF THEY ACTUALLY REPORT TO THE HOUSE H HOLD. IN RECENT YEARS WE EXPANDED THAT BASED ON A RECOMMENDATION BY AN AUTISM-FRIENDLY ADVISORY BOARD MEMBER. SHE HAS A TEENAGED SON WHO IS GOING TO BE DRIVING. ELSE AUTISTIC AND SHE HAD CONCERNS OF STOPS DURING TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS OR WHATEVER. WE ACTUALLY NOW INCLUDE VEHICLE REGISTRATION INTO THE TPD SPECIAL NEEDS REGISTRY. AGAIN THAT IS ALL STRICTLY VOLUNTARILY. WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS WHEN AN OFFICER REPORTS TO RESIDENCE ON THE ADDRESS OR REPORTS TO A VEHICLE, THE PERSON'S ENVELOPES WILL AUTOMATICALLY COME UP. INDIVIDUALS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE AS MUCH DETAIL TO OUR OFFICERS AS MUCH -- WITHIN 9 FORM. IN CONJUNCTION WITH ERIC AND TPD SERGEANT ROSS AND ANGULOPOLIS, MY INTERN AND I DID SOME RESEARCH AND DISCOVERED A COUPLE OF WALLET CARD PROGRAMS WHICH WAS MENTIONED IN THE ORAL MOTION. INVISIBLE DISABILITY ASSOCIATION NATIONAL DISABILITY WALLET CARD PROGRAM. THEY CHARGE COMMUNITY MEMBERS 20 OR $25 IN ORDER TO RECEIVE A VERY SPECIALIZED CARD. DISABILITY INDEPENDENCE GROUP HAS A WALLET CARD.THEY CHARGE INDIVIDUALS $10 TO RECEIVE A SPECIFIC DISABILITY CARD. THE CONCERN IS WE DON'T WANT TO CHARGE OUR COMMUNITY MEMBER ANY TYPE OF FEE. SOME WITH THAT -- AND ALSO, ERIC AND OUR SERGEANT EXPRESSED CONCERNS THAT THE NERVOUSNESS OF THE TRAFFIC STOP, THAT IS A HIGH-STRESS. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE VERY ANXIOUS. THEY MAY HAVE DIFFICULTY IN FINDING A SMALL CARD IN THEIR WALL LET AND ALSO MAY FORGET THEY HAVE SOMETHING IN THEIR WALL LET. A BLUE ENVELOPE PROGRAM PROPOSE BIDDER RICK. THIS WILL BE PLACED IN THE PERSON'S GLOVE BOX WHERE THE TYPICAL PRACTICE THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR VEHICLE REGISTRATIONING WITH IT. AND IN TURN, IN THAT THEY ARE US HAVENESS SITUATION, THEY ALWAYS HAVE TO GO FOR THAT VEHICLE REGISTRATION. THEY WILL SEE THE BLUE ENVELOPE AND. THIS TURN WILL BE ABLE TO PULL THAT INFORMATION OUT. WHERE WE WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, A TYPICAL PROGRAM IS BECAUSE WE HAVE COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO HAVE A WIDE VARIETY OF DISABILITIES THAT MAY LIMIT THEIR CAPABILITY TO INTERACT WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT, POSSIBLY FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS BY THE OFFICERS. I AM SPEAKING ABOUT NOT ONLY INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE AUTISM, BUT INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE DEAF AND HARD OF HEARING, INDIVIDUALS WITH MEDICAL CONDITIONS, PSYCHIATRIC DISABILITIES AS WELL. WE WHO LIKE FOR TPD TO EXPAND TAMPA BEYOND PEOPLE WHO HAVE AUTISM, BUT ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM THE SERVICES. SO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO -- AGAIN THE PUBLIC SAFETY COORDINATING COUNCIL HAS SOME INFORMATION. AND THIS CAN BE EXPANDED WITH SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. FOR EXAMPLE, THE INFORMATION FOR HOW TO COMMUNION THE CAPE WITH THE INDIVIDUAL ON THE ENVELOPE COULD ALSO BE PROVIDED. BUT WHAT WE ARE ENVISIONING. SO THAT INDIVIDUALS HAVE THE ABILITY TO REGISTER AND RECEIVE THIS ON THEIR OWN. THE WALLET -- SORRY, THE BLUE ENVELOPE WOULD ACTUALLY CONTAIN A FORM WHERE THE SPECIFIC COMMUNITY MEMBER CAN WRITE THEIR INFORMATION ON THEIR DISABILITY DIAGNOSIS. HOW THEY MIGHT BE LIMITED. ARE THEY LIMITEDED IN SPEAK SOMETHING IN LIMITED IN HEARING? PROCESSING INFORMATION. AS WELL AS PROVIDE INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR LIMITATIONS OF BEING ABLE TO RESPOND. THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BE SPEAK. THEY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. THEY MAY HAVE LIMITED EYE COP TACT. MAY HAVE SOME STEMMING BEHAVIORS REASONABLE DOUBT LAMB. AND MAY COMMUNICATE WITH AMERICAN SIGN LANGUAGE. WRITING NOTES BACK AND FORTH. THEY MAY BE ABLE TO SEE THE OFFICER'S FACE AND FACIAL EXPENSES WHEN THEY ARE COMMUNICATING WITH THEM AND OTHER TYPES OF COMMUNICATION NEEDS AS WELL. AGAIN, THE GOAL REALLY IS, AS THE MOTION MENTIONED, PEOPLE ARE TRAVELLING IN AND OUT YOU HAVE OUR CITY BOUNDARIES AND COHESIVE APPROACH WILL BE WHAT IS NEEDED AND WE ARE EXCITED TO KNOW THAT THE PUBLIC SAFETY COORDINATING COUNCIL IS ACTUALLY EXAMINING SOMETHING. WHILE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO BRING, WE ARE GOING TO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE COHESIVE WITH REGARDS TO WHAT THE OVERALL AREA IS DOING. SO I HAVE TPD OFFICER -- SORRY, SERGEANT HERE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE SWAP AS WELL. AND I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT HUFF AS WELL. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, BOARD MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. WE LIKE TO THANK COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA FOR THINKING OF EVERYONE AND MAKING SOMETHING OF THIS NATURE COME ABOUT BECAUSE OF HIM BRINGING IT TO OUR ATTENTION. AND SOLVING A PROBLEM BEFORE THE PROBLEM EXISTS. THIS IS PREVENTIVE OF SOMETHING THAT COULD HAPPEN THAT COULD BE MUCH MORE TRAGIC IF THIS WASN'T HERE. IN FACT WHEN I READ THIS NOW, I THINK ALL OF US SHOULD CARRY ONE IN THE CAR UP IN THE SUN VISOR. CAN YOU IMAGINE -- I AM NOT A POLICE OFFICER. CAN YOU IMAGINE WITH THAT LADY IN THE UNIFORM BEING SO MILES TO AND HAPPY THAT YOU GET STOPPED. CAN I SEE YOUR DRIVER'S LICENSE, AND YOU SAY JUST A SECOND. IT IS UNDER MY SEAT. WHAT DO YOU THINK SHE IS GOING TO THINK OF FIRST. UNDER THE SEAT? THE GLOVE COMPARTMENT NEXT TO ME. WHAT IS GOING -- SO I THINK DEFENSIVE IN YOUR OWN LIFE. THAT IS WHERE THE POSSIBILITY OF SOMETHING EXISTING. SO CHANGE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA AND THAT EVERYONE CAN CARRY ONE AND PUT IT UP THERE AND SAY WHAT YOU NEED. HERE IS WHAT I HAVE. HERE ARE MY PAPERS OFFICERS AND WHAT YOU NEED TO ASK ME. I THINK THAT WOULD SOLVE A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS OF PROBLEMS. I AM NOT A HOT HEAD, I DON'T BELIEVE, BUT SOMETIMES I GET ITCHY LIKES ANY HUMAN BEING. BAD DAY AT THE OFFICE AND DIDN'T SLEEP AS WELL. FIRST THING YOU GET PULLED OVER BY AN OFFICER. BY DAMN, LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO ME. DIDN'T ANYTHING RIGHT. NOBODY DRINKS. NOBODY GETS A D USUI. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT, YOU ARE CRAZY. PEOPLE DO THAT. AND SOMEBODY MAY HAVE HAD ONE OR TWO DRINKS AND DRIVING WITH A DUI AND THEY WANT TO ARGUE. IF THEY HAVE THAT, MAY THINK OF GIVING IT TO YOU AND MAY SOLVE THAT SITUATION TO SOME DEGREE. COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, THIS MAY GO FURTHER THAN WHAT WE ARE TALK TODAY. THAT YOU ARE FOR BRINGING IT OUR ATTENTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILWOMAN VIERA AND EVERYBODY HERE. MY STEPDAUGHTER IS SON ITS SPECTRUM. SHE IS CONSIDERED SEVERE. DIAGNOSED WITH AUTISM. SHE NEEDS FULL-TIME CARE, SOMEBODY WITH HER ALL THE TIME. SO SHE WILL NEVER DRIVE MORE THAN LIKELY. HOWEVER, WHEN YOU TALK OF EXPANDING THIS, AND WHAT YOU ARE SHOWING ON THE WOLF VISION. PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW HOW TO COMMUNICATE. SHE IS LIMITED TO ABOUT 80 WORDS. EVEN KNOW SHE IS THE PERFECT CHILD -- AND I HOPE MY WIFE IS -- I SAY IT ALL THE TIME, SHE IS A PERFECT CHILD. SOMETIMES IT IS DIFFICULT, BUT THERE COULD BE A SITUATION. SHE IS 13. SHE IS GETTING OLDER. YOU KNOW, TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN HER BACK PACK. YOU HAVE TO KEEP AN EYE ON HER AT ALL TIMES AND GOD FORBID WE LOSE SITE OF HER. IF THE SITUATION COMES ABOUT AND PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, WHETHER IT IS A POLICE OFFICER OR AN INDIVIDUAL, AT LEAST THERE IS SOMETHING THAT, WHETHER A CARD OR THIS SHEET THAT THEY CAN UNDERSTAND AND, NOW HE, AND WE AVOID A TRAGIC SITUATION. SO THIS IS GOOD, ESPECIALLY FOR -- AS IT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID WITH THE DRIVERS. THIS IS WONDERFUL. I WILL TAKE THIS HOME AND SHOW MY WIFE AND SAY, LOOK, THERE ARE IS SOMEWHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO AND LET BE COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA WHO ALWAYS HAS BEEN A CHAMPION WITH A.D.A. AND YOU HAD AND EVERYTHING EVERYTHING THAT HE DOES. I SEE HERE, DRIVER A NONVERBAL. DRIVER IS VERBAL. NOT SERVE EXPOSED TO PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. THAT THEY DISCRIMINATE. THEY ARE SCATTERED AND DON'T KNOW HOW TO REACT AND WHAT TO DO. I AM GLAD THAT TAMPA IS TALKING ABOUT THIS. AND OPEN TO THIS. WE ARE KNOWN AS A CITY WELCOMING TO EVERYBODY. EVERYBODY HAS A PLACE HERE. AND THIS WE CARE FOR THEM. YOU SAID IT, IT HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID, I AM VERY HAPPY TO SEE THIS. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG. >>NAYA YOUNG: I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL ME VIERA FOR BRINGING THIS TO US. AN AWESOME PRESENTATION. COUPLE OF WORDS THAT WE TALK OF INCOMPASSION AND EMPATHY. I WILL GO TO ADD JUST EDUCATION BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING AND EMBRACING, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE AROUND US THAT LIVES. WE ALL -- WE ALL HAVE THE SAME MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY. BUT HOW YOU GO THROUGHOUT THE DAY IS VERY DIFFERENT. SO THIS IS -- I THINK IT IS AMAZING AND DEFINITELY A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS -- YOU KNOW, GO FURTHER. WE NEED A LOT -- WE NEED A LOT MORE OOMPASSION, EMPATHY AND UNDERSTANDING OF EVERYONE THAT LIVES HERE. THING IS GREAT. AND ERIC, GREAT JOB. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: THING IS A GREAT IDEA. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT FORWARD. LET ME KNOW HOW I CAN SUPPORT IT, PLEASE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN'T LET EVERYBODY ELSE GO. SO THIS IS A WONDERFUL PROGRAM. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, ERIC, FOR BRINGING IT TO OUR ATTENTION AND HAVING COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA COME AND BRING IT TO ALL OF US. IT IS GREAT TO HEAR. IT IS NICE THAT WE ARE STARTING, BUT IT IS EVEN A BETTER THING WHILE WE ARE THINKING ABOUT IT, A LARGER REGIONAL ENTITY IS AS WELL. AND SO -- SO WHILE WE ARE KIND OF ON PAUSE WE WAIT FOR THE REGIONAL ENTITY TO MAKE THE DECISION. I AM HAPPY THAT WE ARE ALL DISCUSSING THIS AND IT WILL MOVE FORWARD AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WHAT THE POLICY IS AND ONCE GIVE A DECISION COMING FORWARD. ERIC, YOU HAVE TO STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN. >>ER RECOGNIZE KAISER. I HAD A TENTATIVE NAME FOR PROJECT. BLUE PEACE. SPELLED PEACE, PEACE OF MIND, BUT BLUE, ALSO LIKE POLICE. >>LYNN HURTAK: WOW. THAT IS AWESOME. I LOVE THAT. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION? COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. IF I MAY, I WILL MOTION ON APRIL 2, AUTISM AWARENESS MONTH, AS WELL AS BY THE WAY, WE ARE GETTING A REPORT ON THE DISABILITY INTERNSHIP PROGRAM THAT DAY. BUT I WILL MOTION TO FOR AN IN-PERSON STAFF REPORT, INCLUDING MY MAIN MANNER RICK TO COME, FOR REPORT ON THE INTERACTIONS THAT STAFF HAD WITH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNER INCLUDING PLANT CITY, TEMPLE TERRACE, SO FORTH, SHOVELS, STATE ATTORNEY AND SO FORTH ON IMPLEMENTING AN AGREED PROCEDURE FOR THIS PROGRAM. AS MILLS PONCHO CORRECTLY SAID, NOT ONLY FOR AUTISM BUT ALL DISABILITIES. THAT MY MOTION AND ERIC, I WILL TAKE NOW VISIT WITH SHERIFF ROSS, THE SHERIFF, TO TALK ABOUT YOUR VISION BECAUSE US A LOT OF HEART AND TAKES A LOT OF WHAT OUR JEWISH BROTHERS AND SISTERS CALL CHUTZPAH. GOOD BLESS YOU. I AM PROUD OF YOU. YOU KNOW WHAT, LET'S GIVE HIM A ROUND OF OF APPLAUSE. [ APPLAUSE ] >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU ERIC. THANK YOU, STAFF. APPRECIATE THAT. A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>> WE ARE MOVING TO OUR LAST ORDER OF BUSINESS. AND NEW BUSINESS. ITEMS 63 AND 25. CLERK PLEASE SET A TIMER ON THIS ITEM PLEASE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 30 SECONDS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SERIOUSLY, SET A TIMER. SERIOUSLY SET A TIMER. TEN MINUTES. 63 AND 25. MOVING 25 WITH 63. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MAKE UP WITH NEW BUSINESS FOR AN HOUR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU ARE LIKE PERRY. GIDDY WITH ALL THIS STUFF. YOU COME TO LIFE IN THE AFTERNOON. MISS WYNN. >>OCEA WYNN: GREAT DAY. GOOD EVENING, ALMOST GOOD NIGHT, COUNCIL. GOOD DAY. THIS IS -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: START WITH YOUR NAME. >>OCEA WYNN: I AM OCEA WYNN, ADMINISTRATOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS. COUNCIL, YOU ASKED FOR US TO COME BEFORE YOU TODAY TO DISCUSS, TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE TREE TRUST FUND, WHICH IS THE COUNCIL MOTION CM 25-15694. HOWEVER, BEFORE I GET INTO THE DISCUSSION OF THE FUND, I THINK IT IS PRUDENT THAT WE SPEAK TO YOU IN TERMS OF WHO YOU MAKES UP THE TREE TRUST FUND TEAM WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA. ALMOST EVERY ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTMENT PLAY AS ROLE IN TREES. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF THAT SO THAT WHEN WE ARE SPEAKING ABOUT TREES, IT IS NOT ONE ENTITY. SO WE HAVE JEAN DUNCAN'S GROUP. ADMINISTRATOR DUNCAN. INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY. WE HAVE ADMINISTRATOR FOR THE PERSPECTIVE AREA FOR THE RIGHT-OF-WAY PERMITTING. WE HAVE ADMINISTRATIVE FABBYE FEELEY WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PLANNING AND THE COLLECTION OF THE FEES. MY ADMINISTRATIVE AREA, NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS. WE SUCH THE PLANTINGS AND THE MAINTENANCE. WE HAVE THE LEGAL DEMOCRAT OF DEPAR-- THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ORDINANCE AND THE BUDGET DEPARTMENT THAT ENSURES WE HAVE PROPER CHECKS AND BALANCES WHAT IS COMING OUT INTO THE FUNDS AND WHAT IS GOING OUT OF THE FUNDS. SO WE WILL START THIS PRESENTATION WITH TODAY'S DISCUSSION AND ENDS IT WITH THE COUNCIL ITEM NUMBER 25, WHICH IS THE TREE CANOPY. TODAY WE WILL BE PROVIDING AN OVERVIEW ON THE TREE TRUST FUND EXPENDITURES. THE MINTGATION FEES THAT HAVE BEEN COLLECTED. UPDATE ON SOME OF THE PROGRAMS SUCH AS THE TAMPA TREE PROGRAM -- TREE MAPPING AND REPORTING DASHBOARD. AND ALL OF THIS THE SUPPORT FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION THAT WE HAD COMMENTS EARLIER. I FORGOT AND THEY GATED TO MENTION THAT WE HAVE REPRESENTATION FROM THE CHIEF OF STAFF'S OFFICE. AND THAT IS OUR SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCY GURU, KAYLA CA SS KAYLA CASIE. SO THE MOTION IN AND OF ITSELF IS THAT COUNCIL, YOU DIRECTED US TO COME BACK TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE DATA UNDER SECTION 1686F, THAT WE ARE USING -- WE ARE FOLLOWING THE CODE PRIOR TO AUTHORIZING THE TRANSFERS. THIS SECTION INCLUDES THE DISTRICT LEVEL REPORTING FROM THE FIVE TREE DISTRICTS AS WELL AS THE ACCOUNTABILITY AND VISIBILITY OF THE DATA THAT ALIGNS AND SUPPORT THE ORDINANCE BEFORE -- AS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT RESIDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY TREE ACTIVISTS REGARDING HOW THE FUNDS ARE USED AND WHAT WE ARE DOING WITH THE FUNDS AS THEY SUPPORT THE MOTION. SORRY, I DID NOT BRING UP -- ITS LET IN THE DAY. BRING UP THE PRESENTATION PLEASE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THERE WE GO. >>OCEA WYNN: I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. OKAY. THERE IS TOO MUCH TECHNOLOGY. THERE WE GO. SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO THE TREE TRUST FUND IS FOUND IN CHAPTER EVERY 16, ARTICLE V, AND THESE ARE THE SPECIFIC AREAS. AND I WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION SPECIFICALLY TO THE REPORTING ASPECT OF THE AREA THAT YOU ASKED US TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING BEFORE YOU APPROVE THE -- THE -- THE TRANSFER OF THE FUNDS FROM THE TREE TRUST FUND TO THE WATER DEPARTMENT. SO SPECIFICALLY, WE ARE LOOKING AT -- YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THE PAYMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED BY EACH PERMIT. EX-PERSONALTURES BY TREE TIMES. THE LOCATIONS FOR EACH TREE PLANTED. AND THEN THE HEALTH CHECK OF THE TREES FOR THE SIX AND 12 MONTHS. ON THE FEES COLLECTED. AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER AND YOU VERY WELL MAY BE AWARE, TODAY THERE HAS BEEN APPROXIMATELY $6 MILLION FEES COLLECTED TOTAL BETWEEN FY-20 AND FY '25. IF YOU LOOK AT DIET G-- THE DIAGRAM BEFORE YOU SOUTH TAMPA AND ACCOUPLE LATED MOST OF THE FEES IN THE APPROXIMATELY $80 MILLION IN TOTAL BETWEEN THOSE TWO PARTICULAR AREAS. THIS IS ANOTHER DEPICTION OF THE PREVIOUS SLIDE; HOWEVER, THIS SHOWS THE -- THE AMOUNT OF TVS THAT HAVE BEEN COLLECTED BY EACH PLANNING DISTRICT. AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THAT CENTRAL TAMPA AND SOUTH TAMPA, THE AMOUNT OF FEES COLLECTED THROUGHOUT THE YEARS HAVE FAR EXCEEDED WHAT HAS BUDGET COLLECTED IN THE OTHER PICK AR AREAS. TO NET, THE FUNDS RECEIVED IN EACH OF THE DISTRICTS AR ARE RECIPT, IF THE TREE IS NOT PLANTED, MONEY IS PAID INTO THE FUND, EACH OF THE FUNDS. THE TREE EX-PERSONALTUREEX-PEND WE HAVE ONE EXPENDITURE THAT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF REQUESTING -- WE ARE REQUESTING BOTH. LET ME BACK UP. RELIEF TAMPA, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLANTING PLANS FOR TREES WITHIN FOUR PROBLEMS WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA. AND THE PIPES PLANTING. THIS IS THE $334,000 THAT WE -- THAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE YOU HAVE EARLIER TODAY. WATER DEPARTMENT REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE TREE S TREES THAT WERE G AND GROWTH MANAGEMENTED -- OF IT TREES PLANNING AND GROWTH MANAGEMENTED IN THE CENTRAL AND SOUTH DISTRICTS. SOME OF THE TREE TRUST FUNDS -- TREE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE OF IS FOR ONE -- LET ME BACK UP. THE TREE TRUST PROGRAMS, THE STRATEGY THAT WE USE WHICH IS A MULTILAYERED APPROACH THAT IS IN COLLABORATION WITH NOT ONLY I THE CITY DEPARTMENTS BUT OUR PARTNE PARTNERS. TREMENDOUS SPROOG NEIGHBORHOOD PROGRAM AND RIGHT-OF-WAY PLANTING PROGRAM LED BY OUR FORESTRY DIVISION. OUR TREE-MEND OURS. OUR TREEMEND OURS TAMPA. I AM ALL OVER THE PLACE. LET ME GO BACK. THE TREE-MENDOUS TAMPA PROGRAM IS A FLAG WE ARE HE IS PLANNED WITH THE CITY GREENWAYS, RIGHT-OF-WAYS, STREET WAYS WITH THE OF FORESTRY DIVISION. THE TAMPA RELIEF -LEAF PROGRAM. THE CITY OF TAMPA PROGRAM THAT OFFERS A SMCH COMPREHENSIVE SITE-BASE AID APPROACH OF INCREASING OUR CANOPY THROUGHOUT THE CITY IN OUR PUBLIC LAND. WE HAVE THE THE MAYOR'S TREE GIVEAWAY WHERE WE GIVE AWAY APPROXIMATELY 500 TO 1,000 ANNUAL TREES ANNUALLY TO OUR RESIDENTS. TWHEVEN A PARTNERSHIP WITH "PLANT YOUR HEART OUT" WITH KEEP TAMPA BAY BEAUTIFUL AN AUTO PROGRAM WHERE WE SUPPORT THE CANOPY WITH THE RESILIENCY EFFORTS THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENT WITH PLANTING TREES WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA. WE HAVE A TREE MAPPING AND REPORTING DASHBOARD, AND I WILL HAVE KAY TO BE THREE COME UP -- AS YOU HAVE QUESTIONS TO COME UP AND PROVIDE THE STATUS OF THIS MAPPING AND DASHBOARD PROGRAM, BECAUSE THIS, TOO, SUPPORTS THE REPORTING OF THE CHAPTER 16 PORTION OF THAT FREE CANOPY. BEFORE WE HAVE GET INTO THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION. I WANT TO ASK YOU WHAT QUESTIONS THANK YOU ARE RELATED TO THIS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. THIS IS MY MOTION. AND I APPRECIATE IT. IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE TRUST FUND EXPENDITURE. I THINK IT IS PAGE 11. >>LYNN HURTAK: IS THE PRESENTATION UP? IT WAS FOR A SECOND AND NOW BACK DOWN. NOW WE CAN SEE IT -- THERE WE GO. PAGE 11. SO THIS ONE. >>OCEA WYNN: YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: OBVIOUSLY THE PIPES PLANTING, THE TRUST FUND EX-EVER EXPENDITURE, WE ARE GOING TO DECIDE ON THAT TODAY, BUT THE RE-LEAF. HAVE WE APPROVED THE EXPENDITURE? WINDS GWINNETT FOR THE RE-LEAF? >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO KNOW -- I WANT TO KNOW IF THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY COUNCIL, SPENDING OF THIS MONEY TO DEVELOP 11 PLANTING PLANTS. >> SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCE OFFICER. WELL, THAT HAS. YEAH, THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED. IT DOESN'T -- EVERY EXPENDITURE DOES NOT BECOME BEFORE COUNCIL FOR THE TRUST AS LONG AS IT IS SPENT IN THE CORRECT PLANNING DISTRICTS. >> MULTIPLE CONTRACTS THAT WERE EXECUTED LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PLANTING PLANS. AND THAT IS WHAT THE 232 WAS, OF WHICH WE PROBABLY SPENT MAYBE ABOUT 160 WOULD BE MILE GUESS ON INVOICE SO FAR TO DEVELOP THE PLANNING AND GROWTH MANAGEMENTING PLANS. WE HAVE DONE PUBLIC OUTREACH FOR THOSE PROJECTS AND WE DEVELOPED -- I THINK WE ARE IN THE ORDER OF 11 TOTAL. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM GOING TO GO BACK TONIGHT POINT OF NOT EVERYTHING COMES IN FRONT OF COUNCIL. ANYTHING UNDER $200,000 DOESN'T COME TO COUNCIL. EVERYTHING OVER $200,000 SHOULD BE UP AT TO. >> DIVIDED OF FIVE CONTRACTORS. >> YES, FIVE DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS. >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH, THAT IS THE KIND OF THING THAT THE PUBLIC DOESN'T LIKE TO SEE. AS YOU HEARD THIS MORNING, THIS WAS A PLAN THAT TOOK FOREVER TO BE PUNT TOGETHER. AND THE PUBLIC REALLY WANTS THIS TO BE SPENT ON TYPE 1 TREES. TYPE 1 TREES. NOT -- AND I UNDERSTAND ONCE WE HAVE A PLAN, BUT I WOULD BE VERY UPSENT TO KNOW THAT SOME OF THIS MONEY IS MOVED AROUND. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE PIPES. WHY THIS IS COMING IN FRONT OF US THEN WHY THAT DIDN'T COME IN FRONT OF US. >> THIS BEING THE $ 332,000? >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. I AM JUST LOST. >> THE $332,000 IS REIMBURSEMENT. WHAT THE WATER DEPARTMENT ALREADY SPENT AND THEY ARE ASKING TO BE REIMBURSED WITH TREE TRUST FUND MONEY. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE SAME THING, IF THIS DIDN'T COME IN FRONT OF US OF THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS, WHY DOES IT COME IN FRONT OF US NOW. >>OCEA WYNN: OCEA WYNN, COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD AFFAIRS. THERE WERE SEPARATE CONTRACTS. GROWN WHAT KAYLA WILL EXPLAIN. THEY ARE SEPARATE CONTRACTS. I UNDERSTAND WHAT HIGH TEMPERATURE SAYING, THE SEPARATE CONTRACTS SINCE THEY WERE LESS THAN THE REQUIRED AMOUNT, WHY ARE WE BRINGING THIS BEFORE YOU NOW? YES. SO THE WAY WE MANAGE THIS BECAUSE EACH CONTRACT WAS UNIQUE TO THE DISTRICT, THE EXCEPTIONS OF THE CONTRACTS WAS $24 T 234,000 AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION AND CONCERN, YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO, A, NOT REALLY HAPPY ABOUT THAT. BUT LET'S MOVE ON TO PAGE 14. THE TREE-MENDOUS PROGRAM. I HEARD GREAT THINGS OF THE TREE-MENDOUS PROGRAM. BUT WE HAVE TO ADD IN SLIDE 14. WINDS GWINN-- >>OCEA WYNN: SORRY, ENDS OF DAY. >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS IS FOR PLANTING IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. WE ARE NEVER GOING TO RE-LEAF THE CITY WITHOUT STARTING TO PLANT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AS WELL. SO WE NEED TO ADD PRIVATE PROPERTY TO THE TREE-MENDOUS TAMPA PLAN. THAT IS A PRIORITY. ESPECIALLY AGAIN -- WE ARE TALKING OF TYPE 1 TREES. AS FAR AS PAGE 15, WHEN YOU ARE TALKING OF THE TAMPA RE-LEAF, THE COMPREHENSIVE AND SCIENCE-BASED APPROACH. THIS WHAT THE 11 PLANS ARE DOING? OKAY? YES, I THOUGHT SO AND YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THE -- AS FAR AS PAGE 16, THE MAYOR'S TREE GIVEAWAY. REALLY WANT TO SAY, APPRECIATE THAT THIS YEAR IT WAS ONLY NATIVES AND THAT NEEDS TO CONTINUE. NO MORE BOTTLE BRUSHINGS. NONE OF THESE TREES THAT DON'T DO ANYTHING FOR THE ACTUAL JOB WE NEED FOR THEM TO DO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE A MOTION BEING THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, I KNOW, YOU PROBABLY DO. BUT THE PLANT YOUR HEART OUT. PLANT YOUR HEART OUT IS A GREAT PROGRAM. ACTUALLY -- MY COMMUNITY PARK HAS RECEIVED THE BENEFITS FROM THAT. BUT AS WE PARTICIPATE, AGAIN, WHAT TIMES OF TREES? FROM THIS -- FROM THIS FREE TRUST FUND, IT IS -- THE PUBLIC IS MAKING IT INCREDIBLY CLEAR IT WILL BE TYPE ONE TREES ONLY. NOT BOTTLE BRUSHINGS. NOT -- NONE OF THE CREPE MYRTLE TREES. NONE OF THOSE. WE CAN NOT SPEND THIS TREE TRUST FUND, BECAUSE THEY ARE RIGHT. THE TREES ARE DISAPPEARING. THE TREES THAT WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN A TON OF MITIGATION MONEY FOR, WE LOST PROBABLY TWO-THIRDS -- OR THREE QUARTERS NOSE HELENE AND M■ILTON. AND THAT MONEY IS NEVER COMING TO US. FOR WOULD WE ASK. THAT WAS A TRAUMATIC TIME FOR EVERYONE, BUT LOOKING AT IT FROM A MONETARY PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE A LOT LESS MONEY IN THAT FUND THAN WE WOO HAVE IF WE WAITED FOR PEOPLE TO PAY TO HAVE THOSE REMOVED. SO I AM GOING TO GO BACK TO MY -- ONE OF MY QUESTIONS FOR THIS -- FOR THERE ARE PROJECT IS, WHAT IS THE PROTOCOL WHEN A PLANTED TREE DIES AS SOON AS BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE SEEN. WE HAD SOME PROBLEMS WITH PLANTINGS HAPPENING, AND THEN THE TREES DIE. LIKE IF I BUY A TREE FROM LOWE'S OR HOME DEPOT, I HAVE 365 DAYS TO RETURN THAT TREE PLANTED OR NOT AND I CAN GET A NEW TREE AND NOT HAVING TO PAY FOR ANYTHING. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT OUR PROCESS IS IF -- THAT BE IS A PROCESS. THAT IS NOT A PROCESS. WHAT DO WE TO DO REPLACE THOSE TREES AND HOW QUICKLY CAN WE GET THAT DONE. THAT IS A HUGE PROBLEM. THE PUBLIC, YOU ARE SPENDING SO MUCH MONEY ON A TREE AND NOW IT IS DEAD. >> I WILL SPEAK WITH THE PIPES. RORY JONES WITH THE WATER DEPARTMENT. HE CAN SPEAK WITH THE PIPES. WE REQUIRE THE CONTRACTOR TO WATER IT AND DO THE INSPECTION AT THE SIX-MONTH AND ONE-YEAR INTERVAL. AFTER THAT THERE WAS NO, SIR CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION. NOW AS FAR AS THE PROGRAM GOES ITSELF, WE HEAR BUT THE TYPE 1, THE TREE-MENDOUS INCLUDE THE BOTTLE BRUSH AND OTHERS IN THERE. WE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR FROM OUR TREE SFFRIENDS AS WELL. WHEN WE VOLUNTEERED ADD THE TREE INTO THE PROGRAM, THE TYPE 1 WASN'T IN THE DISCUSSIONS AT THE MOMENT. BUT SIX-MONTH AND ONE-YEAR INTERVALS. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A LARGER QUESTION OF HOW WE LANDSCAPING AND TREES NOW PER. >> KAYLA, I WANT TO RESPOND TO THE PREVIOUS THING TO ADD MORE CONCEPT TO THAT. WATER DEPARTMENT WAS BASICALLY RESPOND TO THIS WHEN THEY RAISED THEIR HAND. IDENTIFIES TREE PLANTING OPPORTUNITIES IN STRATEGIC PLACES. INCLUDED PARTNERING WITH DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS -- >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU ZOOM OUT, WE DON'T SEE THE HEADER ON THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A WHEEL AT THE VERY TOP. >> RELEASEDED IN APRIL 2023 BY OUR DEPARTMENT. WE WERE THE ONE CHALLENGING CITY DEPARTMENTS TO DO -- TO COME JOIN ON THIS MISSION OF TRYING TO PLANT MORE TREES AND NOT LEAVE IT TO JUST -- NOT THREE IS THE CORRECT NUMBER, BUT A FEW PEOPLE IN THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT WHOSE EVERYDAY JOB IS INCORPORATING TREE DISCUSSION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ASKED THEM TO DO THAT AS WELL, TO REACH OUT TO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. A COUNCIL DISCUSSION I WAS PART OF. >> THE PIPES PROJECT WAS IN RESPONSE THAT THAT. THE WATER DEMENTD D DEPARTMENT THE ONLY ONE IN THE TIME SAYING WE WANT TO HELP YOU GUYS PLANT TREES AND DOING THESE TWO PIPES PROJECTS IN VIRGINIA PARK AND McFARLAND PARK. A WAY WHILE WE ARE ALREADY IN THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS INVESTING IN THE UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE, WE CAN LEAVE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WITH MORE CANOPY THAN WE FOUND THEM WITH. AND HOW THAT WHEN ON THEIR CONTRACTOR HIRED A SUB WHICH WAS A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT FIRM FOR GO AND IDENTIFY TREE LOCATIONS ON THE ENGINEER DRAWINGS. SO WE CAN TRY TO MAKE THIS MORE ZOOMED IN. BUT BASICALLY, IT IS LIKE WE ALREADY HAVE THESE DRAWINGS THAT SHOW ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THEY SHOW THE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES, THE ABOVE-GROUND UTILITIES, AND THEY ARE TRYING TO DO WHAT EVERY ARBORIST IN THE PLANET, RIGHT TREE, RIGHT PLACE. WE TRY TO ONLY -- I HEAR GUYS ON THE TYPE 1. I UNDERSTAND AND I WANT TO PLANT AS MANY TYPE 1s AS POSSIBLE. ON PUBLIC-OWNED LANDS 4.5% OF PUBLICLY OWNED LANDS THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE A TYPE 1 TREE. THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, IFUS EXTENSION SAID SOUTHERN LIVE OAK NEEDS OVER SIX FEET MINIMUM TO ACCOMMODATE A SOUTHERN LIVE OAK IN ITS FULL MATURITY. NOT MANY SPACES IN YOUR RIGHT-OF-WAY AS YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH OUR CITY THAT YOU CAN FIND SIX FEET IN EVERY DIRECTION THAT WE CAN PLANT THAT. WE WENT IN WITH THE MENTALITY AS MANY TYPE 1s AND TYPE 2Z WHICH INCLUDE PINE AND SIGN PRESS. THOSE ARE REALLY GREAT LARGE TREES THAT WE CAN BE ADDING IN OUR PALETTE OF TREES IN OUR CITY SOMETIMES MORE INDICATIVE OF THE ECOSYSTEM HERE PREVIOUS TO DEVELOPMENT ARE PINE TREES AND CYPRESS. SO WE WERE GOING IN THERE WITH TYPE 1, TYPE 2, AS MANY AS POSSIBLE, BUT WE STILL BELIEVE IT WAS BETTER TO HAVE A TREE EVEN IF IT WAS TYPE 3 THAN NO TREE AT ALL. THEY STILL PROVIDE HEAT MITIGATION. THEY STILL PROVIDE ECOSYSTEM SERVICES. WATER. THEY PROVIDE BENEFIT TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND SO THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WENT AND, YOU KNOW, CHOSE THE TREES THAT WAS THE RIGHT TREE IN THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THE UTILITIES. AND WE GOT -- I JUST ALSO WANT TO JUST SAY, THERE ARE WAS A PILOT. NOT MEANT TO BE A PERFECT PROGRAM. WE HAVE LESSONS LEARNED OF WHAT WE HE DID WELL. WHAT WE CAN IMPROVE ON. JUST SOMETHING TO TRY SOMETHING NEW TO BUILD A NEW MUSCLE THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA HAS NEVER DONE BEFORE, THAT THE WATER DEPARTMENT HAS NEVER DONE BEFORE. THIS IS WAY OUTSIDE OF THEIR SCOPE ON A REGULAR BASIS OF DELIVERING SAFE DRINKING WATER TO OUR CITY. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. >> COUNCILWOMAN AND CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY SPENDS TWO MINUTES ON THE HISTORY OF HOW WE GOT HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NAME. >>LYNN HURTAK: NAME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT IS YOUR NAME, SIR. >>BRAD BAIRD: BRAD BAIRD, DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS STARTED EARLY OF SUMMER 2024. OUR SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCE OFFICER WHIT RECOMMENDER W-- REMMER WAS LOOKING TO THE TREE TRUST FUND TO TRY TO PLANT THE TREES IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. TO TRY TO MEET THE CITY'S GOAL WHAT WAS STATED OF 30,000 TREES. SO HE WAS LOOK FOR A VEHICLE TO DO THIS. THE WATER DEPARTMENT VOLUNTEERED TO ADD. IT WASN'T IN THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT -- TO ADD THESE OVER 200 TREES TO THE CONTRACT TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. SO THE PLAN WAS TO ADD THE TREES TO TWO OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS WE WERE WORKING IN, VIRGINIA PARK AND McFARLAND PARK. AND THIS CONTRACT BY CHANGE ORDER, USING THE TREE TRUST FUNDS. WE -- THE CONTRACTOR THEN RETAINED A FIRM BY THE NAME OF FISHER LANDSCAPING, WHO HAS AN ARBORIST, TO COORDINATE THAT EFFORT, INCLUDING THE PLANNING, INCLUDING WORKING WITH THE CITIZENS ON, YOU KNOW, RIGHT PLACE. MAKING SURE WE ARE NOT OVER UTILITY LINES, ETC., ETC. WE PLANTED TREES FROM JULY 2024 THROUGH MAY OF '25 AS PART OF THE CONTRACT. WATERED THE TREES EVERY MONTH FROM SEPTEMBER 2024 TO JUNE 2025. WE THEN TOWARD TEND OF THAT CONTRACT, MANY OF YOU WILL REMEMBER AND MANY OF YOU ATTENDED HELD A PRESS CONFERENCE ON SEPTEMBER 28 TO CELEBRATE THE COMPLETION OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE WORK BUT ADDING THE 237 TREES TO THESE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS. SO A CUP CONSULTANT OF MONTHS AGO, AS YOU GUYS KNOW, WE PROPOSED A CHANGE ORDER TO CITY COUNCIL TO -- BECAUSE THE -- BECAUSE THE WATER DEPARTMENT, IF YOU WILL, ACTED AS A BANK, UNTIL WE COULD GET THE TREE TRUST FUND TO REIMBURSE THE WATER DEPARTMENT THAT WAS PROPOSED A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO AND THEN CONTINUE. AND, AGAIN, THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED TO USE THE TREE TRUST FUND. AND THEN -- I JUST WANT TO MENTION REAL QUICK, EARLY ON, SEVERAL COMMENTS WERE MADE THAT THE MONEY WAS USED TO FUND WATER INFRASTRUCTURE. IT WAS NOT. EVERY PENNY WAS USED TO PLANT THE TREES. SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE THAT HISTORY AS A BACKGROUND. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM GOING TO GO BACK TO MY QUESTIONS. BECAUSE I AM STILL -- COST PER TR TREE. >> COST OF TREE SEA LITTLE HIGH. LITTLE HIGHER, BUT IT INCLUDES -- NOT JUST THE PLANTING OF THE TREE OR THE COST OF THE TREE. THERE ARE TIMES WHERE YOU HAVE TO YOU STUMP GRIND AND HAVE TO REMOVE OTHER COMPONENTS. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT IT? >> I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE COST PER TREE WAS, TO BE HONEST. >>LYNN HURTAK: THESE QUESTIONS ARE INDICATIVE OF SOME THINGS I AM NOT REALLY THRILLED ABOUT. THIS WAS MY MOTION. THIS WAS -- WAS TO COME IN FRONT OF US. I IS IT NOT -- NO ONE REACHED OUT TO ME TO DO A SPECIAL LIKE A PREMEETING. ALL YOU HAVE US SHOULD HAVE A PREVIEW MEETING OF IT. HE A TON MORE QUESTIONS. I AM NOT REALLY HAPPY ABOUT THIS. I KNOW YOU TALKED OF T-TAG. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT YOU DIDN'T COME TO ME AND TALK TO THE REST OF COUNCIL TO TALK OF OUR CONCERNS. BECAUSE I AM NOT INCLINED TO GIVE YOU THIS MONEY. INCLINED TO GIVE YOU THE MONEY FOR THE TYPE 1 TREES AND THAT'S AT THE. THAT IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY VERY, VERY CONSISTENTLY SAID THEY WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY ON. ESPECIALLY IF IT IS LIKE $1400 A TREE. $6 MILLION WILL GO VERY FAST WITH $1400 A TREE. >> I HEAR YOU. IT IS -- >>LYNN HURTAK: $1400 A TREE. I GET WHAT GOES INTO THAT, BUT, AGAIN, THE PUBLIC HEARS $1400 A TREE. THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY. >> IT IS $1267 PER TREE. IT IS PRICEY. PART OF THE TREE-MENDOUS PROGRAM. IT INCLUDED THOSE TYPE OF TREES. I HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR OF THE TYPE 1. I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM. BUT NOT TO ENDIZE US FOR TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING. WE SAW THE CANOPY REPORT. WE HEARD THE CALLS AND CRIES FOR INSTALLING TREES. AND WE ARE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING. I WOULD HATE TO PENALIZE THE RATE PAYERS FOR THAT EXTRA EFFORT THAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO. >>LYNN HURTAK: AGAIN, I APPRECIATE IT, BUT THE ISSUE HERE IS NOT THAT YOU AREN'T TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING. THE ISSUE IS, IF WE APPROVE THIS, WE ARE SETTING THE PRECEDENT THAT WE WILL PAY FOR TREES THAT ARE NOT TYPE 1 TREES. I AM ADAMANT ABOUT THIS. MY POINT THAT I AM UPSET RIGHT NOW, THAT I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE COME TO EACH OF US AND ANSWERED THESE QUESTIONS AHEAD OF TIME AND HAVE BEEN ABLE TO BE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. I KNOW YOU SAID YOU WERE AVAILABLE BUT NOT THE SAME AS COMING TO US AND DO A PRESENTATION SAYING, HEY, THIS IS A WHAT WE ARE THINKING. GETTING OUR FEEDBACK. COMING FORWARD ON THIS. BECAUSE THEN IT WOULDN'T BE A SURPRISE, BECAUSE, AGAIN, I AM NOT OKAY WITH SPENDING -- SPENDING THIS MONEY ON -- ON A BUNCH OF TREES THAT REALLY AREN'T TYPE 1. I UNDERSTAND IT IS HARD TO FIND PLACES TO PLANT TYPE 1 TREES, BUT THAT IS NOT -- HIGH PRESSURE THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THIS -- THE ENTIRE REDO OF THE TREE CODE. SO I AM GOING TO LET MY OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS TALK, BUT -- OH, AND THEN ONE OTHER THING. 30,000 TREE IS JUST A NUMBER. AND I DON'T LIKE TO LOOK AT NUMBERS. I WANT TO GO BACK TO WHAT MISS CASELI SAID, RIGHT TREE. RIGHT PLACE. DOESN'T MATTER THE NUMBER OF TREES. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE PUTTING THE RIGHT TREES IN THE RIGHT PLACE. IF WE FOCUS ONLY ON APPEAR NUMBER, WE ARE NOT FOCUSING ON THE ACTUAL GOAL OF PUTTING THE TREES WE NEED BACK IN OUR CITY. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I PUT THAT OUT THERE. >> AND I HEAR YOU. YOU KNOW, LET'S NOT LET PERFECT BE THE ENEMY OF GOOD HERE. AND THERE ARE REFINEMENTS AND WE CAN TAKE THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HEARD AND BUILD THAT INTO GOING FORWARD. I ASK YOU TO RECONSIDER -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ARE NOT DONE WITH THIS DISCUSSION YET. WE WILL CONSIDER IT. WE WILL GET THERE. COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG HAS NOT SPOKEN VERY MUCH TODAY. COUNCIL MEMBER YOUNG. >>NAYA YOUNG: OF THE 237 TREES. DO WE KNOW WHAT KIND OF TREES THEY WERE? >> WE HAVE A COMPLETE BREAKDOWN OF ALL THE DIFFERENT TREES. AND IT IS REALLY PART OF THE TREE-MENDOUS PROGRAM. DO YOU NUMBER OF THE SPECIES TOTAL? THERE ARE 12 -- YEAH. DO YOU HAVE THEM ALL THERE. >>BRAD BAIRD: YES, I HAVE A LIST OF ALL THE SPECIES. CREPE MYRTLE/PINE. BOTTLE BRUSH. BALD CYPRESS. RED MAPLE. HE DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER ON THIS CHART, BUT WE CAN GET THEM TO YOU. LOW QUAT. RED MAPLE. SOUTHERN LIVE OAK. SWEET GUM. LONG LEAF PINE. TO NAME A FEW. THERE ARE MORE AS WELL. >> THERE ARE 12 OR SO SPECIES. I WILL PUT IT IN THAT CATEGORY. >>NAYA YOUNG: DO YOU KNOW IF ANY OF >>NAYA YOUNG: ARE THEY STILL ALIVE? >> YES. THERE WERE SOME THAT DID NOT MAKE THE HURRICANES. THERE WERE SOME REMOVED BY THE HOMEOWNERS AS WELL. BUT THE OVERALL MAJORITY ARE STILL ALIVE TODAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN CARLSON WAS NEXT AND THEN COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, THAT'S FINE. >>BILL CARLSON: WE'RE ALL GETTING TIRED. YOU'RE AT BAT HERE SO I'LL ASK YOU. AND THANKS TO ALL OF YOU, MS. WYNN AND EVERYONE FOR TRYING TO WORK THROUGH ALL OF THIS WITH US. HERE IS THE ISSUE I HAVE. I AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK SAID, BUT MY ISSUE WITH IT IS THIS. IN MY DAY JOB I WORK IN GOVERNMENT NONPROFITS AND COMPANIES SO I SEE EVERYTHING. BUT THE WAY I LOOK AT ENTERPRISE FUNDS IS THE SAME WAY I LOOK AT BUSINESS UNITS. SO, LIKE, BLOOMING BRANDS HAS CARRABBA'S AND OUTBACK. CARRABBA'S AND OUTBACK, I DON'T KNOW A LOT ABOUT THEIR COMPANY INDIVIDUALLY, INSIDE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AND INSIDE COMPANIES, TYPICALLY IF CARRABBA'S NEEDS SOMETHING FROM OUTBACK, THEY WOULD HAVE A CONTRACT BETWEEN THEM THAT WOULD SAY WE NEED TO BUY THESE SERVICES FROM YOU. MAYBE ONE OF THEM GETS A DEAL ON SOMETHING, SO THEY BUY SOME SERVICES. THEY WOULDN'T JUST MAKE IT AN ACCOUNTING THING. THERE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO BE CONTRACTS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE INCENTIVIZED ON IT. I THINK IT WAS BRAD WHO SAID, RORY OR BRAD WHO SAID PEOPLE THINK THAT WE'RE TAKING AWAY FROM OR PAYING PIPE SERVICES. WELL, THE WAY THE PUBLIC WOULD LOOK AT THIS IS THAT IF WE'RE USING -- IF YOU LOOKED AT THE TREE FUND AS AN ENTERPRISE OR AS A BUSINESS UNIT AND YOU LOOKED AT WATER AS A BUSINESS UNIT, I UNDERSTAND TREES ARE NOT, BUT IF YOU LOOKED AT THEM AS BUSINESSES, SO THEN AS A POLICY MAKER, WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHICH BUCKET DO WE WANT TO PULL OUT OF. SO IF WE -- IF WATER WAS GOING TO PAY FOR TREES ANYWAY AND THEN WE USE THE TREE FUND TO SUBSIDIZE THAT, WHAT THAT INDIRECTLY IS DOING IS ENABLING WATER TO PAY FOR MORE WATER PIPES RIGHT. BUT THEN IT IS REDUCING THE TREE FUND THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE ON SOMETHING ELSE. SO AN EXAMPLE -- YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT OF WORK GOING ON RIGHT NOW, IF YOU NEED TO GET TPD TO SHUT THE ROADS DOWN, DO YOU REIMBURSE TPD OR DO THEY DO IT FOR FREE? >> TYPICALLY DON'T REIMBURSE UNLESS AFTER HOURS OR AFTER TIME. >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT ABOUT IF YOU REPAIR A ROAD? DO YOU CHARGE -- DOES MOBILITY PAY YOU BACK FOR THE ROADS? >> SOME OF OUR CONTRACTORS DO HAVE TO PAY FOR OFF-HOUR SERVICES IN A ROUND ABOUT WAY, WE ARE REIMBURSING THE CONTRACTOR. DEPENDS ON THE SITUATION. >>BILL CARLSON: IF YOU LOOK AT MOBILITY AS AN ACCOUNT THAT HAS MONEY, TPD, CROSS TRANSACTIONS MY POINT IS IT CAN'T BE BRAD TALKED ABOUT AN ACCOUNTING THAT WE APPROVED MONTHS AGO. TO ME THERE SHOULD BE AN AGREEMENT, POLICY DECISION. YOU SAID YOU TALKED TO WHIT ABOUT IT. >> I WISH HE WAS HERE TO HELP EXPLAIN THAT. >>BILL CARLSON: WHIT WAS GREAT BUT CERTAIN THINGS UNDER THE CHARTER THAT THE MAYOR CAN APPROVE HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT IF THERE IS A HANDSHAKE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TREE FUND AND WATER DEPARTMENT, THEN EVENTUALLY THAT'S GOING TO COME TO US IN AN -- IN A BUDGET CHANGE LIKE THIS. WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE IS SOME KIND OF SIMPLE AGREEMENTS THAT SAY, HEY, SUSTAINABILITY IS ASKING US TO, WHILE OUR PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE DO THIS, AND THEN IT'S -- AND WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE THEM ON THIS BASIS. THE WHOLE DEAL IS UNDERSTOOD IN ADVANCE AND CITY POLICY AS POLICY MAKERS DECIDE ON THAT. ANOTHER QUESTION, IF YOUR WORKERS ARE PLANNING THESE, ARE YOU CHARGING BACK TREE-MENDOUS FOR THE WORKERS TOO? IF SOMEBODY -- IF A POLICY MAKER'S NUMBER ONE PRIORITY WAS WATER, THEY WOULD WANT TO CHARGE EVERYTHING THEY COULD TO TREE-MENDOUS BECAUSE YOU NEED TO KEEP AS MUCH MONEY IN WATER AS POSSIBLE. IF YOUR POLICY PRIORITY IS TREES, YOU WANT TO KEEP AS MUCH MONEY IN TREES AND SPEND ON THAT. I THINK TO KEEP THIS CLEAN AND SIMPLE, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO NOT JUST BE APPROVAL OF WHERE THE MONEY GOES, BUT WAY BEFORE THAT, IF YOU THINK THERE SHOULD BE AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN TWO ENTERPRISE FUNDS OR SOME OTHER SOURCE OF REVENUES, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GET THE AGREEMENTS APPROVED IN ADVANCE, NOT JUST A LINE ITEM, BUT AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT COSTS WILL BE INCLUDED. WHAT KIND OF TREES ARE WE GOING TO DO. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ANYTHING COMPLICATED. >> I AGREE. >>BILL CARLSON: THE SECOND THING, I THINK THAT IS ACROSS THE BOARD, NOT JUST WITH YOU GUYS. THE SECOND THING SOMEBODY MENTIONED 4%, THE CONSTITUENTS SAID THAT THEY HAD HAD A CONVERSATION WITH YOU ALL ABOUT THAT, BUT I FORGOT THE NUMBER, 2500 ACRES OR SOMETHING. IT IS A HUGE NUMBER OF CITY-OWNED PROPERTY WHERE WE COULD PUT TREES. ALTHOUGH IT MIGHT BE A SMALL PERCENTAGE, THERE'S STILL A VERY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT, AS IT AT LEAST WAS REPORTED TO ME THAT WE COULD PUT TREES ON. THE LAST THING, FROM A BRANDING PERSPECTIVE, I SAY THIS ALL THE TIME, BUT WE'VE GOT WAY TOO MANY LOGOS, BRANDS AND NAMES. JUST IN THESE SLIDE, WE HAVE THE TREE-MENDOUS PROGRAM, PLANT YOUR HEART OUT, THE MAYOR'S TREE PROGRAM, AND TREES FOR TAMPA. IF AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF. THE NUMBER ONE THING, THOUGH, I REALLY THINK IF WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THESE AS INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES, BECAUSE AS WE DECIDE WHAT MONEY IS GOING TO EACH ONE, THAT IS A HUGE POLICY DECISION ABOUT PRIORITIES THAT ARE SET BASED ON WHAT WE HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY. IF WE START MOVING MONEY, IT'S NOT JUST AN ACCOUNTING CHANGE, IT'S A POLICY DECISION. SO THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. >>BRAD BAIRD: CHAIRMAN, CAN I SAY TWO THINGS? ONE, THESE TREES WERE NOT GOING TO BE PLANTED AS PART OF THE WATER PROJECT ANYWAY. I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. BUT REALLY IMPORTANT THING THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID -- I'M SORRY SHE WALKED OUT -- IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND A SPOT TO PLANT A TYPE ONE TREE IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY BECAUSE OF ALL THE UTILITIES, UNDERGROUND AND OVERHEAD. SO WHAT SHE SAID ABOUT PLANTING TYPE ONE TREES AS ALL OF THIS PROGRAM FROM THE TREE TRUST FUND, THEY SHOULD GO ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. I'M GLAD SHE CAME BACK IN. THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT UTILITIES OVERHEAD AND UNDERGROUND NEAR AS MUCH, A SMALL PERCENTAGE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY VERSUS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BRAD, I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THAT. COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE TAKING THIS REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE TREE TRUST FUND, IT JUST REMINDED ME OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BORROWING FROM SOCIAL SECURITY. THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING, BUT IT'S LIKE HERE WE GO. IT SETS A PRECEDENT WHERE THIS FUND AT $6 MILLION, WHATEVER IT IS NOW, WE START DOING THESE KINDS OF THINGS, THE PUBLIC, SOUNDS AN ALARM. THIS IS HOW IT BEGINS. BUT IN REGARDS TO TYPE ONE, TREES. I LOOKED UP WHAT IS A TYPE ONE TREE. SOMEONE MENTIONED YOU NEED SO MUCH SPACE FOR AN OAK OR ELM, DIFFERENT TYPES THAT THE CITY OF TAMPA CATEGORIZES. THAT I SAW SOUTHERN MAGNOLIAS AND PUTTING THEM ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, I'VE GOT TO BRING UP MY GRANDMOTHER BECAUSE SHE LOVED MAGNOLIA TREES. MAGNOLIA TREES SHE PLANTED WHICH WOULD FIT UNDER TYPE ONE, PLANTED STARTED IN HAD 1973, OKAY, THEY ARE STILL AROUND TODAY, EVEN IN THE MAUSOLEUM WHERE I'M GOING TO BE AT. PUT A MAGNOLIA TREE THERE, PLANT IT 1985, ALL THE TREES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. I CAN -- THE HOUSES SHE USED TO LIVE. SHE LOVED MAGNOLIA TREES. THEY ARE THERE. THEY HAVE SURVIVED EVERYTHING FROM HURRICANE, HELENA 40 YEARS AGO TO NOW, WHEREAS THE TREES THAT WE PLANTED AND WHAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THE LAST YEAR IN THE LOSS OF OUR TREE CANOPY FROM THE TWO HURRICANES A YEAR AGO, THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THIS KIND OF MONEY, IT SHOULD GO, YES, IT IS MORE EXPENSIVE. TYPE ONE TREES THAT WILL CREATE THAT SHADE THAT WE WANT THAT ARE LONG LASTING. WE'RE NOT THROWING OUR MONEY AWAY. IT COSTS MONEY, BUT IN THE LONG TERM, YOU CAN'T PUT LAUREL OAKS EVERYWHERE. I UNDERSTAND PUTTING IT IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS TRICKY. YOU HAVE SUCH A NARROW SPACE, BUT, AGAIN, THINKING BACK TO MY GRANDMOTHER WHO PLANTED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY EVERY OPPORTUNITY. MY MOTHER WILL TELL YOU. YOU MOVE TO A NEW HOUSE, YOU HAVE TO PUT A MAGNOLIA TREE. THOSE TREES EXISTS TODAY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. I'M GRATEFUL TO HER. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT PRIVATE PROPERTY, I THINK COUNCILMAN CARLSON MENTIONED 2400 ACRES, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS, BUT THERE IS A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY THERE. I'LL CLOSE WITH THIS, FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER JOE CHILLURA AND ALL THE WORK THAT HE PUT IN GOING BACK YEARS IN THE ORIGINAL ORDNANCE AND WHY WE WERE RECOGNIZED AS HAVING ONE OF THE BEST TREE CANOPIES IN THE WORLD. THE HURRICANES HAVE DONE DAMAGE. I CAN SHOW YOU PICTURES. CAN I TALK ALL DAY LONG. I CAN SHOW YOU PICTURES OF DOWNED TREES FROM IRMAA, TREES YOU WOULD NEVER THINK WOULD FALL. BUT THE SIGNIFICANT DECREASE SINCE I'VE BEEN ELECTED IN OUR TREE CANOPY. THIS IS AN EMERGENCY SITUATION. WE CAN TALK ABOUT TREES. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE LOSS OF SEA GRASS IN THE BAY. THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS THAT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT OUR ENVIRONMENT, YOU KNOW, IS SO SACRED AND SO IMPORTANT. AND IN THIS CASE -- YOU CAN'T PLANT PALM TREES EVERYWHERE. DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. CAN'T PLANT TYPE TWO AND THREE TREES BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST NOT LONG LASTING. WHEREAS THESE TYPE ONES ARE MULTIGENERATIONAL TREES THAT WILL HELP US PRESERVE OUR REPUTATION AS HAVING ONE OF THE BEST TREE CANOPIES. GETTING BACK TO THE POINT BECAUSE WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS REIMBURSEMENT, IT'S CONCERNING TO ME THAT IT BEGINS WITH THIS. IT'S LIKE A PIGGY BANK. MEANWHILE WHILE WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS WE'LL BORROW FROM THIS. ARE WE GOING TO REPLENISH IT? WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? WILL IT START DWINDLING, AT 6 MILLION. START EATING AWAY AT IT? GOING BACK TO WHAT I BEGAN WITH. THE SOLVENCY OR POTENTIAL INSOLVENCY OF SOCIAL SECURITY. FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OWES LIKE $2.5 TRILLION IN IT, IN IOUs. AM I GOING TO GET SOCIAL SECURITY WHEN I GET TO THAT AGE? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE MONEY IN THAT TRUST FUND 30, 40 YEARS FROM NOW BECAUSE WE'LL START MOVING MONEY AROUND, JUST THINGS I THINK ABOUT AND CONCERNS I'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WELL, THIS IS AN ENTERPRISE, SO THEY ARE OWED THE MONEY FROM SOMEWHERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ARE THEY GOING TO PAY IT BACK? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I THINK THEY HAVE TO PAY IT BACK. FIRST OF ALL, AND I'M NOT HERE TO HARP ON ANYTHING, BUT WHEN I SEE FIVE AREAS OF THE CITY THE WAY THEY SHOULD BE PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC, ONLY FOUR DISTRICTS THAT MAKES UP THE WHOLE CITY, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN. THIS IS TOO LARGE OF AN AREA FIVE HERE, HERE, HERE, WHEN YOU GO PLANT THE TREES, FOUR, FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN AND EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE THE DISTRICTS ARE OR JUST ABOUT THE LOCATIONS. THAT'S NUMBER ONE. I'M NOT HERE TO -- I'M JUST SAYING WHAT I THINK. DID YOU DO THE WRONG THING? NO. YOU TRIED TO HELP SOMEONE OUT AND IT DIDN'T WORK. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. THEY WENT AFTER YOU. SOMEBODY HAD TO ASK. DIDN'T SAY, HEY, I'LL DO THIS TOMORROW WHEN YOU WOKE OUT OF BED. SOMEHOW IT GOT TO YOUR DEPARTMENT AND SAY I'M GOING TO HELP OUT THE CITY. IT WORKED OUT UP TO THIS POINT. WHAT HAPPENED, HAPPENED. I CAN'T FIX WHAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY BUT WE CAN FIX WHAT HAPPENS TOMORROW. TOMORROW, SAY, NO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO PLANT ONE TREE, THE CLASS THEY WANT, THE NUMBER ONE, IN ANYBODY'S FRONT OR BACKYARD BECAUSE THEY HAVE LEARNED FROM THE DRIVEWAYS HOW MUCH THEY HAD TO SPEND. LEARNED FROM OTHER THINGS, THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE GOES UP. NOW YOU HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. I'M TELLING YOU WHAT THE PEOPLE TELL ME ON THE STREET. I LOVE TREES BUT NOT IN MY YARD. NOT ALL TELL ME THAT BUT SOME DO. YOU HAVE TO GO TO PARK, RECREATION, SOMEWHERE WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF SPACE AND PLANT THE TREES. DO WE NEED THEM? YES, SIR, WE DO. I HATE TO TELL YOU, NOT THAT YOU WERE USED INTENTIONALLY, BUT YOU PAY OUT MONEY THAT NOW YOU KNOW YOU AIN'T GOING TO DO IT AGAIN. THAT'S ALL. YOU ARE STRAIGHT DOWN THE LINE. IN HELPING THE CITY, YOU DIDN'T HELP YOURSELF. THAT'S ALL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY. MY TURN. IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE SINCE I'VE SAT ON THIS COUNCIL, WE DID CHALLENGE WHIT AND OTHERS ABOUT SEEKING OTHER OFFICES IN THE CITY OF ASSISTING TO BE ABLE TO PLANT IN PUBLIC SPACES. THIS COUNCIL DID CHALLENGE -- WE DID HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. OBVIOUSLY, THE WATER DEPARTMENT, AND I WANT TO REITERATE SOMETHING JUST SAID. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU MAY HAVE BEEN OUT OF THE ROOM. THE TREES PLANTED IN THE PROGRAM WERE NOT PART OF THE PROJECT. THIS IS ABOVE AND BEYOND THE PROJECT. SO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO ABSORB A COST THAT THE PIPES PROGRAM WOULD HAVE HAD, SO THIS IS ABOVE AND BEYOND THE PIPES OBLIGATION. SO THIS WAS -- THEY SAY THEY PLANTED TREES THAT WERE NOT PART OF THE PIPES PROGRAM. THEY DID THAT BECAUSE THEY WERE TEARING UP THE DIRT. THEY HAD THE PEOPLE THERE, EQUIPMENT THERE, CAPABILITIES THERE AND THEY HAD THE SPACE. AM I SUMMARIZING THAT CORRECTLY? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS WAS ABOVE AND BEYOND THE PIPES PROGRAM. NOW, DO I LOVE THE WAY THIS HAPPENED BECAUSE THE COST PER TREE AND ALL THESE THINGS? I THINK COULD HAVE HAD A BETTER BUSINESS MODEL. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD LEARNING EXPERIENCE FOR YOUR LINE OF BUSINESS AND OTHER LINES OF BUSINESS, HOPEFULLY HELP OUT AND PLANT TREES IN THE FUTURE, BEING ABLE TO MOVE PAST THAT. NO, I DON'T LIKE THE WAY -- MAYBE WOULD HAVE DONE IT DIFFERENTLY. ALSO THE TYPE OF TREES, I DON'T LIKE OUR TYPES OF TREES. I AGREE WITH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. I AGREE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE PAYING A PENNY FOR ANY OF THESE TYPE THREE TREES. BUT YOU ARE GOING BY A GUIDELINE ALREADY ESTABLISHED. SAME THING, WE DEAL WITH THIS DAY IN AND DAY OUT WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA, WHEN PEOPLE -- IT'S OUR GUIDELINE, SHAME ON US, WE HAVE THE GUIDELINE, WE SHOULD FIX THAT. I SAID I DON'T THINK THAT ANY OF THE TREE PROGRAM MONEY SHOULD BE SPENT ON TYPE THREE TREES. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION WHEN WE ARE DONE WITH THIS. THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THAT. IN FACT, I WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DON'T PLANT ANY BOTTLE BRUSHES BECAUSE BOTTLE BRUSHES ARE AN ASTHMA -- OR CRAPE MYRTLES. I CAN SEE THAT WE CAN PLANT CRAPE MYRTLES. >>LYNN HURTAK: PEOPLE CAN BUY THOSE. THEY ARE CHEAP. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'M TALKING ABOUT EVEN IN OUR GENERAL DOING BUSINESS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. WE'LL SAVE THAT DISCUSSION FOR A FEW MINUTES FROM NOW. I SEE HOW WE GOT HERE. I THINK IT WAS GOOD FAITH. I THINK YOU ARE OPERATING ENTERPRISE FUND, OPERATED IN GOOD FAITH KNOWING THIS WAS ABOVE AND BEYOND THE PIPES PROJECT. WE ARE OBLIGATED, I BELIEVE, TO REIMBURSE THE ENTERPRISE FUND BECAUSE OF THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT WE ARE NOT OBLIGATED TO DO IT FROM THIS TREE TRUST FUND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU WANT IT TO GO FROM GENERAL FUNDS? >>LYNN HURTAK: WE HAVE A BUNCH OF MONEY COMING FROM END OF FISCAL YEAR 25. IF IT'S ONLY $335,000. I'M SAYING, ONCE WE OPEN THIS DOOR, IT'S GOING TO BE HARD TO CLOSE IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ARE THE ONES THAT OPEN AND CLOSE. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO, WE DID NOT. THE ADMINISTRATION DID. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TALKING ABOUT PRECEDENCE, WE'RE THE ONES FOR FUTURE ISSUES, WE ARE THE ONES THAT CAN OPEN OR CLOSE IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: EXCEPT ONCE ALL OF US ARE GONE AND THE NEXT COUNCIL COMES AND THAT ADMINISTRATION SAYS, WELL, THE COUNCIL BEFORE OPENED IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LOOK AT THIS LIKE SETTLING A LAWSUIT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M JUST SAYING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: WHY DON'T WE DEFER THIS FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND GET THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND CFO TO COME BACK WITH A NEW PROCESS ON HOW THEY ARE GOING TO HANDLE IT. IF WE HAVE A NEW PROCESS THAT WILL BE TRANSPARENT AND EXPLAIN EVERYTHING IN ADVANCE WITH THE CONTRACTS BETWEEN THE BUSINESS UNITS, THEN MAYBE WE COULD DO THIS AS A ONE-OFF THING. RIGHT NOW, IT'S STILL OPEN. THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WAS MY WHOLE POINT OF THIS. FIRST OF ALL, BECAUSE OF WHAT I SAID EARLIER, DIDN'T HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH EACH OF US. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THAT. I WANT THIS TO COME BACK FOR A WORKSHOP OF A SOLID WORKSHOP OF HOW WE ARE GOING TO USE THIS MONEY GOING FORWARD AND WHAT THE PARAMETERS WE WANT TO PUT ON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CHAIRMAN, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHANGE THAT LEGALLY. BY PASSING AN ORDINANCE ON HOW YOU WANT IT DONE. LET'S FACE IT. WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR ALL THIS STUFF. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A LONG MEETING AND WHATEVER. THE PUBLIC IS ENTITLED TO HAVE AND WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO PASS AN ORDINANCE EXACTLY HOW ONE DEPARTMENT HEAD CAN BORROW FROM THE OTHER, PROVIDING IT COMES FROM THE PUBLIC OR THE COUNCIL OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO. LET'S HAVE A WORKSHOP. I DON'T WANT A TEN-DAY WORKSHOP. I WANT ONE TO LAST A COUPLE OF OURS OR SO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I ALREADY FEEL LIKE I'VE BEEN HERE TEN DAYS. >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M SORRY TO SAY THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I CALLED AND GOT A BRIEFING ON THIS. >>LYNN HURTAK: I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO ASK. THIS WAS MY MOTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: I PUSHED BACK. I HAD A MEETING WITH THIS -- OH, MY GOSH. SORRY. LONG DAY. NOT ADOPTION, THIS GROUP I WAS SUPPOSED TO MEET WITH AT 4:30, I PUSHED IT BACK TO 5:00. I HAVE TO GO TO THE ABE BROWN GALA AFTER. I HAVE TO LEAVE IN 12 MINUTES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT HAPPENS TO PEOPLE RUNNING FOR OFFICE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THERE ANY SENTIMENT OF PASSING 25 TODAY? NO OKAY. IT'S NOT GOING TO PASS TODAY. WE'LL HAVE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM. GET A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM 25 TO -- >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE IS THE THING. I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON. MAYBE IF WE CAN KIND OF FIND ANOTHER WAY TO COME BACK, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT OVERALL WE EVEN MENTIONED IT TODAY, A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE THINK SHOULD BE DIFFERENT. THE FACT THAT ALL TREES SHOULD BE UNDER ONE UMBRELLA, ONE SIMILAR LOGO, ONE SIMILAR DESIGN, AND THEN LISTENING, AND WE NEED TO PUT PARAMETERS ON HOW WE WANT TO SPEND -- ON HOW WE WANT TO DO THAT. I THINK IT IS A LONGER CONVERSATION THAN WE HAVE TIME FOR TODAY. I STILL BELIEVE A WORKSHOP IS THE CORRECT PLACE TO DO THAT BECAUSE IT WOULD GIVE THESE DEPARTMENTS TIME TO MEET UP WITH EACH OF US TO MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY. I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE PUBLIC OUTREACH ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE TREES ARE A VERY PASSIONATE ISSUE FOR MANY, MANY PEOPLE. I WOULD LIKE THIS FOR THE APRIL 23rd WORKSHOP OF 2026, BUT KNOWING THAT WE HAVE THE MONEY THAT WE NEED TO DEAL WITH, I DO BELIEVE THAT SHOULD COME UP AS A CONVERSATION DURING OUR BUDGET RESOLUTION, WHICH IS ACTUALLY ONE OF MY MOTIONS TONIGHT FOR ACTUALLY -- ACTUALLY, IT IS NOT. WE HAVE STAFF COMING TO US ON DECEMBER 18 TO SEE WHAT WE HAVE LEFT IN THE FISCAL YEAR '25 FUNDS. I BELIEVE WE SHOULD LOOK THERE FOR IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU WANT A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS TO THE DECEMBER MEETING? >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. DECEMBER 18. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DIRECTOR WYNN. >>OCEA WYNN: OCEA WYNN, ADMINISTRATOR OF NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS. I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS I DID NOT COMMUNICATE IS THAT WE WILL BE HAVING A TREE TOWN HALL IN JANUARY. PROBABLY THE SECOND WEEK IN JANUARY. I THINK AROUND THE 18th TO GET ALL OF THE COMMUNITY PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED, MEMBERS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN TREES, SO THAT WE CAN HEAR THEIR CONCERNS AND WE COULD HAVE A PATH FORWARD. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S GREAT. IF YOU COULD SEND IT TO ALL OF OUR OFFICES SO WE CAN GET IT ON OUR CALENDARS. >>OCEA WYNN: I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR NOT SHARING THAT PowerPoint PRESENTATION WITH ALL THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S FINE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ADMINISTRATOR WYNN, WOULD YOU PROPOSE THAT WE WAIT FOR THAT? RORY, THE IMPLICATIONS, IF WE CONTINUE THIS TO THE DECEMBER MEETING, THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS, DO YOU HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT? >> NO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE OKAY WITH US. AS LONG AS WE WERE TO BE REIMBURSED FOR IT, I THINK THAT WOULD BE COMPLETELY FINE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WOULD YOU RESTATE THE MOTION? >>LYNN HURTAK: MY MOTION IS TO DEVELOP A WORKSHOP TO DISCUSS TREES ON APRIL 23rd, 2026. AND THEN TO -- I CAN COME BACK WITH A MORE SPECIFIC MOTION. I CAN WORK WITH YOU ALL, WITH OCEA'S DEPARTMENT ON A MORE SPECIFIC MOTION ABOUT TREES, AND THEN EVERYBODY ELSE CAN REACH OUT AS WELL. MAYBE WHAT MIGHT BE THE BETTER THING IS TO REACH OUT TO ALL THE MEMBERS, KIND OF HAVE A QUICK DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF CRAFT THE WORKSHOP FROM THERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE A MOTION ABOUT MY BOTTLE BRUSHES. WE'LL WAIT FOR ALL THIS TO HAPPEN. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ABOUT THE WORKSHOP. A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE SECOND MOTION WOULD BE TO BRING BACK THIS REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION FOR DECEMBER 18, 2025. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM 25. >>LYNN HURTAK: SORRY. A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEM 25 TO DECEMBER 18, TWREEIVE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. SHELBY HAS INPUT. >>LYNN HURTAK: HE'S NOT HAPPY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M NOT HAPPY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU DON'T HAVE MIKE PERRY'S FACE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, I DON'T. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT ACRONYM, WHICH I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT IT MEANS. MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. WITH REGARD TO NUMBER 63, I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION. YOU HAVE A VERY STRONG CONSENSUS. IF YOU CONTINUE THIS, IT'S GOING TO COME BACK -- >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS IS 25. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: 63 WAS RESOLVED WITH THE WORKSHOP. 25 IS FOR THE RESOLUTION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THIS IS PRIOR TO. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. I WANT TO BE CLEAR THEN. 25 IS THE RESOLUTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CONTINUED TO DECEMBER. 63 WE RESOLVED BY HAVING THE WORKSHOP IN APRIL. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S FINE. I WANT TO BE CLEAR FOR THAT. THAT'S WITH REGARD TO NUMBER 63. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE WORKSHOP. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE WORKSHOP. WITH REGARD TO NUMBER 25, WHAT IS THE CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL AS TO WHETHER TODAY YOU WOULD APPROVE ITEM -- >>LYNN HURTAK: WE ALREADY ANSWERED THAT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT IS THE ANSWER TO THAT? >>LYNN HURTAK: NO. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHY ARE YOU CONTINUING IT? >>LYNN HURTAK: BECAUSE, MAYBE YOU WEREN'T HERE FOR THIS. WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WE'RE GETTING A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION. THAT'S ONE OF MY MOTIONS TODAY, TO GET THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION OR TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH MONEY IS LEFT IN THE BUDGET FOR FY '25. THAT'S COMING ON DECEMBER 18. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEN THIS RESOLUTION DOES NOT TALK ABOUT ANOTHER SOURCE OF MONEY FOR THAT PARTICULAR ITEM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE'LL HANDLE THIS IN DECEMBER. WE'RE GOOD. >>MARTIN SHELBY: AS LONG AS YOUR MINUTES WOULD SOMEHOW BE CLEAR THAT THIS RESOLUTION -- >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW ABOUT THIS. ITEM 25 IS BEING CONTINUED TO DECEMBER 18 WITH THE IDEA THAT WE WILL FIND A DIFFERENT FUNDING STREAM FOR IT. IS THAT BETTER? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MAYBE IT'S STILL GOING BACK TO THE SAME THING. >>BILL CARLSON: DISCUSS ALTERNATIVE FUNDING SOURCES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET ME SHARE MY CONCERN FOR WHATEVER IT IS WORTH. IF COUNCIL IS NOT GOING TO PASS THIS RESOLUTION, YOU CAN MAKE A RESOLUTION DENYING THAT SO THAT IT IS QUITE CLEAR FOR THE RECORD AND THEN MAKE A FOLLOW-UP MOTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOW YOU ARE GETTING -- >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU'RE GETTING TOO LAWYERLY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. CONTINUE ITEM 25. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DISCUSSION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING NOW IS THAT THIS MONEY WILL COME FROM SOMEWHERE OTHER THAN THE TREE FUND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT NECESSARILY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALTERNATIVE SOURCES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WELL, ALTERNATIVE SOURCES, EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING THEN, IT IS A DIFFERENT SOURCE. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY IS LEFT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I HAVE SEVEN KIDS AND BORROW FROM ONE PENSION, I WANT THAT ONE OF THE SEVEN TO PAY IT BACK FOR THE REST OF THE KIDS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT IS THE CONVERSATION TO HAVE IN DECEMBER. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'LL LISTEN TO THAT AND BE HARD PRESSED FOR ME TO VOTE FOR SOME AMOUNT OF MONEY GOING TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THEM BECAUSE SOMEBODY DID A FAVOR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION IN DECEMBER. MIKE PERRY, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE CONVERSATION? >>LYNN HURTAK: I APOLOGIZE, BUT THE MOTION IS COMING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. PERRY, CAN YOU HEAR US? >>LYNN HURTAK: WE CANNOT HEAR YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. WE HAVE A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. MR. CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I WONDER AS AN AMENDMENT OR SEPARATE MOTION WE COULD ADD TO ASK THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND CFO TO ALSO PROPOSE A SEPARATE MOTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. COUNCILMAN CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR A MOTION. >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION -- >> CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TOO LATE. >>BILL CARLSON: MOTION TO PUT AN ADJACENT ITEM TO THAT TO ASK THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND CFO TO PROPOSE A PROCESS FOR WHICH ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND DEPARTMENTS CAN IN EFFECT HAVE OUTSOURCE AGREEMENTS WITH EACH OTHER. AND IN THIS CASE, DO ONE AFTER THE FACT. THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOME AGREEMENT BEFORE THIS. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT MONEY, IT'S ABOUT THE INTENT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: PUT A 30 SECOND PAUSE ON THAT BECAUSE THAT IS NEW BUSINESS WHICH WE'LL GO INTO JUST NOW. THAT WOULD BE A GOOD NEW BUSINESS MOTION. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ONE OTHER THING, THESE FUNDS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THESE ENTERPRISE FUNDS ARE THE ONES THAT GO TO THE MARKET AND BORROW MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING TO DO ANYTHING TO HURT THEIR CREDIBILITY OF HAVING A FANTASTIC LOAN OPERATION IN THE WAY THEY BORROW MONEY AND PAY IT BACK AT A VERY LOW RATE. ONLY FIVE IN THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE A TRIPLE RATE AND THEY ARE ONE OF THEM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD LIKE YOU TO BRING THAT CONVERSATION TO THE DECEMBER MEETING. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES -- YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE? >> I HAVE A QUESTION, IF I MAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES, MR. JOHNSON. >>EVAN JOHNSON: EVAN JOHNSON, CITY PLANNING. ITEM 63 INCLUDED A PRESENTATION THAT HAD BEEN COMBINED AT A PREVIOUS MEETING, INCLUDED A PRESENTATION REGARDING THE POST-STORM CANOPY ANALYSIS, WHICH DR. LANDRY WAS HERE FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA TO GIVE. IT HAS BEEN A SPIRITED DISCUSSION AS IT ALWAYS IS WITH TREES. BUT I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT HE IS HERE AND DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION. THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE'S ACTUALLY SOME GOOD NEWS. BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE LED WITH THE GOOD NEWS FROM THE POST-STORM ANALYSIS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOW LONG IS YOUR PRESENTATION? >> HOW LONG DO YOU WANT IT TO BE? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'LL GO TO MIDNIGHT. LET'S GO. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I SET THIS UP REAL FAST? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'D PREFER THE CONVERSATION -- DO YOU LIVE LOCALLY? >> YEAH, I LIVE LOCALLY. I WOULD HAVE PREFERRED TO NOT BE PART OF THIS AGENDA ITEM AT ALL. I DON'T KNOW WHO DID THAT. BUT THAT WAS A BAD IDEA. >> ARE WE PAYING YOU BY THE HOUR? >> I'M HAPPY TO COME TO COUNCIL ANYTIME. IN FACT, I'M HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY AND I HAVE IN THE PAST. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN YOU FACILITATE THAT? I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE WE ARE ALL AT OUR WIT'S END ESPECIALLY ON THIS ITEM. >> CAN I REQUEST THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WOULD LOVE THAT AND A LIGHT DAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'M AVAILABLE ANYTIME AFTER -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. JOHNSON, IF YOU CAN FACILITATE THAT AND COORDINATE WITH MY OFFICE TO GET IT ON THE SCHEDULE. >>EVAN JOHNSON: YOU WANT INDIVIDUAL BRIEFINGS OR -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TALK OFF-LINE. >>BILL CARLSON: THE PUBLIC I THINK WANTS TO SEE IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT CONCLUDES TODAY'S AGENDA ITEMS. WE'LL GO INTO NEW BUSINESS. COUNCILMAN CARLSON, WOULD YOU PLEASE MAKE YOUR MOTION NOW? >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, AS TO THIS ITEM ON THE TREE CANOPY, I WANT TO THANK MS. WYNN AND STAFF FOR MOVING AHEAD WITH THIS. AFTER THE STORMS LAST YEAR, WE ON CITY COUNCIL MADE A REQUEST. THE ADMINISTRATION DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO DO THIS AND THANK YOU TO THE PROFESSORS AND EVERYONE WHO WAS INVOLVED IN IT BECAUSE IT HAS REALLY IMPORTANT INFORMATION IN IT THAT EVERYBODY CAN SEE. WE NEEDED TO DO A BENCH MARK OF HOW MUCH DAMAGE WAS DONE BY THE STORMS SO THAT WE COULD SEPARATE THAT FROM DEVELOPMENT. IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT DOCUMENT. IT'S ONLINE IF ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE IT AND COME BACK AND PRESENT IT. SO I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK THE CFO AND CHIEF OF STAFF TO RETURN ON DECEMBER 18 ADJACENT TO THE TREE ITEM TO DISCUSS HOW THEY CAN FORMALIZE AGREEMENTS AND PROPOSALS BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE POLICY AND BUDGET DECISIONS PRIOR TO DOING ANY KIND OF WORK. AND THEN TO ALSO CREATE ONE FOR THIS INSTANCE TO MAYBE BACK DATE IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN -- COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE ONE MORE. EXCEPT FOR COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, THE REST OF WOULD YOU KNOW. WHEN I ASK FOR INFORMATION INTERNALLY I OFFICIALLY GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC RECORDS, GovQA SO MY REQUEST WILL BE TRANSPARENT. THE CITY CHARGES ME FOR THOSE. IF IT'S $40, I'LL PAY IT MYSELF. EVERY NOW AND THEN THERE IS ONE FOR 1800 OR 2,000 DOLLARS. IN THE PAST, YOU ALL KNOW THAT I ALSO DON'T USE MY EXPENSE BUDGET AT THE CITY, AT CITY COUNCIL. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE, INSTEAD OF HAVING YOU -- ASKING YOU ALL EACH TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE HAVING THE TRANSFER AS NEEDED, MY EXPENSE BUDGET TO PAY THE PUBLIC RECORDS DEPARTMENT IF REQUESTED. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: JUST FOR THE RECORD, I HAVE NEVER USED THE EXPENSE BUDGET IN 31 YEARS. >>BILL CARLSON: THE ONLY TIME I HAVE USED IT IS FOR THIS. >>LYNN HURTAK: THEY HAVE TO GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION IF YOU ARE A COUNCIL MEMBER. SO I KIND OF THINK THAT'S NOT A GOOD USE OF MONEY. WHY CAN'T YOU COME HERE AND ASK OR GO ASK. >>BILL CARLSON: IT WAS KIND OF THE SAME THING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. IF YOU ARE TAKING A SERVICE, DO WE PAY FOR IT OR NOT. BUT I'VE PAID THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF MY OWN MONEY FOR THESE. IF WE CAN MAKE A BLANKET STATEMENT OR ORDINANCE REQUEST THROUGH GovQA AND NOT GET CHARGED, THAT WOULD BE BETTER. BUT IN THIS CASE, I WOULD RATHER NOT PAY $2,000 OF MY OWN MONEY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW IF I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I REALLY THINK YOU SHOULD ASK FOR IT FROM HERE IF YOU REALLY NEED IT. JUST MAKING A MOTION AND WE'LL APPROVE YOU GETTING THE INFORMATION. HONESTLY, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S PART OF OUR JOB. IT'S NOT BEING -- WE DON'T NEED TO PAY FOR IT. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO EVERY SINGLE PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT WE WANT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT'S ALSO TRANSPARENCY. IF WE AUTHORIZE SPENDING THE TAXPAYER MONEY ON ITEMS REQUESTING THAT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ITEMS ARE. >>BILL CARLSON: JUST LIKE COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, I DON'T SPEND MINE ON ANYTHING ELSE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I UNDERSTAND THAT. SAY YOU SPEND A DOLLAR ONION WHAT ITEMS YOU'RE REQUESTING -- >>BILL CARLSON: I BELIEVE WE SHOULD USE GovQA SO IT IS TRANSPARENT. I DON'T THINK EVERYTHING REQUIRES -- EVERY REQUEST WE MAKE SHOULD COME BEFORE COUNCIL. ANOTHER WAY OF DOING IT IS TO MAKE A MOTION TO CREATE AN ORDINANCE OR SOMETHING THAT SAYS THAT CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO REQUEST ON GovQA WOULD NOT BE CHARGED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'M MORE AGREEABLE WITH ASK FOR STAFF TO REPORT ON THAT ORDINANCE. YOU NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE STAFF COME BEFORE COUNCIL TO PROPOSE AN ORDINANCE. >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK STAFF TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL TO DISCUSS WHETHER WE SHOULD CREATE A POLICY TO WAIVE PUBLIC RECORDS FEES FOR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I DIDN'T PICK A DATE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT IS. DO YOU GUYS KNOW WHEN WE CAN GO ON? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANYTHING AFTER JANUARY SEEMS TO BE OPEN FOR EVERYTHING. I DON'T THINK WE'RE LOADED UP ANYWHERE FOR JANUARY. >>BILL CARLSON: JANUARY 8? >>LYNN HURTAK: SURE. SECOND. JANUARY 8 IT IS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOLIDAYS, STAFF ARE NOT GOING TO BE WORKING. YOU MAY WANT TO PUSH TO FEBRUARY. >>BILL CARLSON: JANUARY 22 DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING ON IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JANUARY 22. MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON FOR JANUARY 22. SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? >>BILL CARLSON: NO THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN YOUNG, DO YOU HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS? >>NAYA YOUNG: NO NEW BUSINESS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. SO WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING A WORKSHOP TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE WANT FOR THE BUDGET AND HOW WE WANT IT TO LOOK. ARE YOU WORKING ON THAT? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK WE ARE. >>LYNN HURTAK: BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MS. KOPESKY MENTIONED TODAY WAS ABOUT HER INFORMATION ABOUT THE WAGE ADJUSTMENT. I REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE CAN GET SOME TYPE OF REPORTING FOR THAT DURING THE YEAR SO WE KNOW WHAT SOME OF THOSE WAGE ADJUSTMENTS ARE AS THEY ARE OCCURRING. BUT I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A MOTION IF WE ALREADY HAVE A WORKSHOP ON IT. I'LL JUST SAVE IT FOR THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SAM, MAKE SURE YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT THE WORKSHOP FOR PREPPING FOR THE BUDGET. >>LYNN HURTAK: THEN I'LL JUST -- I'LL TALK TO SAM. I'LL HAND SAM MY RECOMMENDATION THEN. COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK -- WOW. WOW. THAT IS ME. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DID YOU SAY COUNCILMAN? >>LYNN HURTAK: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON, I'M THE SECOND ON THIS MOTION, MADE A MOTION ABOUT SCHEDULING A DISCUSSION WITH JOHN BENNETT CHIEF OF STAFF, MS. KOPESKY AND OTHER STAFF ON DECEMBER 4 ON WHETHER OR NOT STORMWATER MONIES OR STAFF SHOULD BE USED ON PARADES OR SPECIAL EVENTS. I HAVE TALKED TO MS. KOPESKY ABOUT AMENDING IT TO BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC. JUST LISTEN TO IT AND SEE WHAT YOU THINK. I ALREADY HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN. DON'T WORRY. IF YOU LIKE IT WE CAN AMEND IT. AFTER REREADING IT I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THIS BE AMENDED TO STAFF TO SUMMARIZE THE COSTS FOR EACH OF THE FOLLOWING EVENTS IN THE LAST FISCAL PERIOD AND PRESENT THAT DATA TO COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 4. THIS INFORMATION SHOULD INCLUDE BOTH INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL ACTIVITIES AND THE RELATED COSTS OF SANTA FEST, ReliaQuest BOWL, EACH GASPARILLA EVENT, MLK PARADE, ST. PATRICK'S DAY PARADE AND TAMPA PRIDE AND STAFF TO EXPLAIN HOW INTERNAL STAFF TIME IS TRACKED WHEN THEY ARE SUPPORTING AN EVENT VERSUS PERFORMING THEIR PRIMARY WORK FUNCTION, STAFF TO BE PREPARED TO SPEAK ON WHAT OTHER OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE TO AVOID THE USE OF INTERNAL STAFF WITH THE EXCEPTION OF OFF-DUTY AND WHAT THE ESTIMATED COST OF THESE OPTIONS ARE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M NOT AGAINST THAT, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE STRICTLY A DEBT, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS A COST TO THE TAXPAYERS, THEN YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE WHAT THE TAXPAYERS ARE GETTING FOR THE AMOUNT OF COFFEE DRINKS ALCOHOL WHATEVER THEY BUY AND SELL AND HOW MUCH PERCENT DO WE GET BACK -- EQUAL EQUATION. >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT WHERE STAFF TIME IS USED. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND. WE DON'T KNOW THE OTHER SIDE. >>BILL CARLSON: COULD WE PUT THAT ONE AS A SEPARATE ONE AHEAD OF MINE? MINE WAS REALLY ABOUT WHETHER WE COULD BAN THE USE OR LIMIT THE USE OF STORMWATER MONEY OR ENTERPRISE MONEY TO BE USED ON PARADES. >>LYNN HURTAK: AGREED. TO ME THIS IS TANGENTIAL TO HAVE THE MONEY. YES, I WILL MAKE THIS A SEPARATE MOTION. DO I HAVE TO READ IT AGAIN? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MY CONCERN IS THE DATE. I DON'T THINK IT GIVES PEOPLE -- THAT IS A LOT OF INFORMATION AND THAT WILL REQUIRE A LOT OF STAFF POWER. >>LYNN HURTAK: HE HAS THE MOTION COMING DECEMBER 4. I HAVE A FEELING WE'LL END UP WITH THESE QUESTIONS OF HOW IS THE -- LIKE, HOW ARE WE ALLOCATING -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO WAY THEY CAN GET ALL THAT INFORMATION. >>LYNN HURTAK: THEY HAVE TO. THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MONETIZE THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOW AND THEN, STOP EVERYTHING AND NOT DO ANYTHING ELSE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN? >>LYNN HURTAK: THEY SHOULD ALREADY HAVE THIS INFORMATION. IT'S PART OF AUDITING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DO THEY HAVE THE INFORMATION? >>LYNN HURTAK: I'LL ASK MS. KOPESKY TO WORK ON IT. HOW ABOUT THIS? I MOTION TO HAVE MS. KOPESKY WORK ON SUMMARIZING THE COST OF EVENTS WITH THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT. I WILL LET YOU KNOW AT A FUTURE MEETING WHETHER OR NOT IT IS SUCCESSFUL OR SHE CAN JUST E-MAIL IT TO EVERYBODY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. IS THERE A SECOND? >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. CONGRATULATIONS. THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE DOING OVER THANKSGIVING. WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS IT. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY. MR. MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOTHING. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: RECEIVE AND FILE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OH, MR. SHELBY, HE HAS AN ANNOUNCEMENT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT COUNCIL. A REMINDER TO YOU, PLEASE, THAT MONDAY, THIS COMING MONDAY, FROM 1 P.M. TILL PROBABLY ABOUT 4, EARLIER IF WE CAN DO IT, YOU HAVE SET A SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP. THE PURPOSE OF THIS SPECIAL CALLED WORKSHOP IS TO DISCUSS THE FRAMEWORK FOR A RESOLUTION GIVING ME DIRECTION TO RETURN TO CITY COUNCIL WITH A DRAFT THAT ESTABLISHED THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA CHARTER REVIEW ADVISORY COMMISSION AND RECOMMENDING AMENDMENTS TO THE CITY CHARTER. AND GUIDELINES FOR MEMBERSHIP AND THE CONDUCT OF ITS MEETINGS INCLUDING A TENTATIVE TIMELINE WITH THE STEPS NECESSARY FOR CHARTER AMENDMENT LANGUAGE FOR VOTER CONSIDERATION ON THE MARCH 2nd, 2027 MUNICIPAL ELECTION BALLOT. SO, PLEASE, AGAIN, IT IS IN THE SISTER CITIES ROOM DOWN ON THE FIRST FLOOR. IT IS MONDAY. IT BEGINS AT 1:00 IN THE AFTERNOON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU FOR THE REMINDER. MS. KOPESKY, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING? >> HAGAR KOPESKY, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST. BRIEFLY, I WAS SPEAKING WITH MICHAEL PERRY HE REMINDED ME THAT THE DATE, DECEMBER 18 WHEN YOU'RE ASKING TO HAVE THE ITEM COME BACK REGARDING CONSIDERATION OF EXCESS FUNDS THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FUND THE WATER DEPARTMENT IS AFTER THE 60-DAY PERIOD OF MAKING ADJUSTMENTS TO '25. SO THE RESO BEING PROPOSED IS A '25 RESOLUTION THAT WILL NATURALLY NOT BE ACTIVE ANY MORE AFTER THE 60 DAY POINT. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. BUT GENERALLY WE THEN LOOK AT THE EXTRA MONEY AND THEN TRY TO DECIDE WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH IT. >>HAGAR KOPESKY: WHAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN, THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A NEW RESOLUTION AS A '26 ITEM. >>LYNN HURTAK: ABSOLUTELY. WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T BE PULLING IT FROM THIS SOURCE. WE WOULD HAVE TO REWRITE IT ANYWAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S IF WE DO IT THAT WAY. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: JUST IN PREPARATION FOR THE MEETING, THE CHARTER MEETING, IN THE INSTRUCTIONS WE GOT WHEN ON THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION, INSTEAD OF RECOMMENDING CHARTER CHANGES, THERE WERE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS, LIKE SHOULD WE THIS OR SHOULD WE THAT. I HAVE WRITTEN OUT A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS. SO THAT YOU ALL HAVE TIME TO CONSIDER THEM, I'LL GET ANDREW TO E-MAIL THEM TO ALL OF YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DO NOT RESPOND TO THE E-MAIL. >>BILL CARLSON: DON'T RESPOND TO ME. THAT WAY YOU CAN THINK ABOUT THEM. KEEP IN MIND, IT'S NOT A RECOMMENDATION FOR A CHARTER AMENDMENT. ALL WE'RE DOING IS ASKING THE QUESTION, HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THIS OR SHOULD WE. AND THEN THEY WILL DISCUSS IT AND DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO COME BACK TO US WITH IT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY. IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY YOU WILL BE SENDING OUT POTENTIAL QUESTIONS TO BE DISCUSSED AT MONDAY'S WORK SESSION SO THEY'LL HAVE ADVANCED NOTICE. >>BILL CARLSON: NOT QUESTIONS TO BE ANSWERED ON MONDAY. THESE ARE RECOMMENDED QUESTIONS THAT WOULD GO INTO THE INSTRUCTIONS. REMEMBER THE LAST TIME, THE CITY COUNCIL GAVE THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION QUESTIONS TO CONSIDER. SO IT'S NOT QUESTIONS FOR US TO ANSWER. IT'S QUESTIONS FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMISSION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THIS COUNCIL AT THE WORKSHOP WOULD HAVE TO TELL ME WHETHER YOU WANT THOSE QUESTIONS IN THE RESOLUTION. >>BILL CARLSON: IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE QUESTIONS, YOU CAN EXIT OUT AND SAY WE DON'T WANT IT. THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO PROPOSE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. [ SOUNDING GAVEL ] WE ARE ADJOURNED.