ALL RIGHT, GOOD AFTERNOON, HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYBODY WHO IS JUST TUNING IN TO COUNCIL MEETINGS TODAY. IT'S THURSDAY, JANUARY 9, AND THE GOVERNANCE, ACCOUNTABILITY, AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE WILL COME TO ORDER. IT IS 2:02 P.M. I'M SARA NELSON, CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE. WILL THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> COUNCILMEMBER HOLLINGSWORTH? >> PRESENT. >> COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE? >> HERE. >> COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA? >> PRESENT. >> COUNCILMEMBER SAKA? >> HERE. >> CHAIR NELSON? >> PRESENT. >> FIVE PRESENT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. FULL HOUSE. ALL RIGHT, TODAY WE'LL HAVE A CONTINUED DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE VOTE ON COUNCIL BILL 120925, HUMAN SERVICES FOURTH QUARTER EMPLOYMENT ORDINANCE. IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, THE AGENDA WILL BE ADOPTED. SEEING NONE, THE AGENDA IS ADOPTED. ALL RIGHT, NOW IF THERE IS NO OBJECTION, THE COUNCIL WILL NOW GO INTO THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, HYBRID PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK TODAY? >> WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC VIRTUAL COMMENTERS. >> OKAY, LET'S GIVE EVERYBODY TWO MINUTES, AND GO AHEAD AND BEGIN. >> FIRST PERSON WILL BE ALBERTO ALVAREZ. >> ALBERTO, ARE YOU THERE? PRESS STAR SIX. GO TO THE NEXT PERSON, PLEASE. WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU, ALBERTO. >> ALL RIGHT, NEXT WE WILL HAVE DAVID HAINES. DAVID, YOU'RE ON THE LINE. >> HI, THANK YOU. DAVID HAINES. REALLY GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY AT THE KING COUNTY REGIONAL HOMELESS AUTHORITY. ALL OF THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST FROM THE COUNCIL SEEM TO HAVE BEEN TAKEN CARE OF. YET YOU CAN SEE THEM COMING OUT OF THE SIX-FIGURE SALARIES ARE ALL OF THESE GUARANTEES OF THE SERVICE PROVIDERS BEING PAID. NOW THE PROBLEM IS THEY'RE NOT KEEPING THE SERVICE PROVIDERS HONEST OR FORTHRIGHT. AND IT IS THE UNNECESSARY SUFFERING FROM INNOCENT HOUSEHOLDS. IF YOU APPLY THE RACE AND SOCIAL JUSTICE INITIATIVE, WHERE YOU WOULD LOOK THROUGH THE EXPERIENCE OF THE IGNORANT PAST AND FILL IN THE BLANKS OF RACISM AND DISCRIMINATE AGAINST INNOCENT WHITE HOMELESSNESS, AND THEN YOU PRIORITIZE BLACK AND BROWN DESTRUCTIVES TO GIVE ALL OF THE MORE PROFITABLE HOUSING THAT IS CONNECTED TO THE POLITICAL RE-ELECTION APPARATUS OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY THAT WATERS DOWN THE INTEGRITY OF THE OVERSIGHT. YOU HAVE A SOCIETAL INFLATION THAT'S CALLED BY THE LACK OF PROPER INTERPRETATION OF WHAT INSTITUTES A CRIME AND WHO WE ARE SUPPOSE TO PUT FORTH, THAT COMPASSIONATE OFFERING OF A CHANCE. INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING OH, YOU GOT WHITE PRIVILEGE, AND YOU SEEM TO BE OKAY, SO WE'RE GOING TO KEEP YOU IN THE STREETS WITH YOUR BOOT STRAPS, PULLING YOURSELF UP, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HELP YOU AT ALL. SELF-DESTRUCTIVE, LIKE YOU'RE TRYING TO TRICK AND BELIEVE IN YOURSELF. AND THE B PRO, THEY WILL GET THE HOUSING AND THEY WILL SELF-DESTRUCT AND MAKE EVEN MORE EXPENSIVE CONCERNS THAT DON'T GET ADDRESSED BECAUSE ALL THEY'RE DOING IS GETTING THE ALTERNATIVES. LIKE IT SEEMS LIKE WE WILL HAVE A LESS THAN STELLAR INFLUENCE FROM THE COUNCIL TO KEEP ALL OF THESE UNION EMPLOYEES HONEST, FORTHRIGHT, WITHOUT BEING RACIST. YOU'VE GOT TO GET RID OF THE RACIST IN THE GOVERNMENT. >> THANK YOU, DAVID. >> NEXT, WE'VE GOT ALBERTO ALVAREZ. AALBERTO? >> HELLO, HI. CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> YES, GO AHEAD. >> HELLO? OKAY. SO I'M CALLING TO SUPPORT THE MOVE OF RETURNING THE CIVIL SERVICE POSITIONS MENTIONED IN THE MEMO, ESPECIALLY THE THREE VACANT POSITIONS FOR THE OFFICE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. MAYBE TO HAVE SOME INFO ON HOW LONG THEY HAVE BEEN VACANT OR -- AND/OR AN ESTIMATE OF WHEN THEY MIGHT BE FILLED. A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SPECIALIST AND TWO ADVISER POSITIONS ARE OPEN. THESE POSITIONS IN THE OED ARE MUCH NEEDED. IN A TIME WHEN SMALL BUSINESSES ARE SUFFERING FROM COMMERCIAL RENTS AND TARIFFS FROM THE INCOMING ADMINISTRATION. HOPEFULLY IT WILL BRING A PERSPECTIVE. MOST CITY BUSINESS GROUPS ARE NOT FAIRLY REPRESENTING THESE GROUPS. THANK YOU, HAVE A GOOD DAY. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> AND THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OKAY. WE HAVE REACHED THE END OF OUR PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, WHICH IS NOW CLOSED. WILL THE CLERK PLEASE READ ITEM 1 INTO THE RECORD. >> AGENDA NUMBER ONE, COUNCIL BILL 120925, AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO CITY EMPLOYMENT, COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS THE FOURTH QUARTER 2024 EMPLOYMENT ORDINANCE, EXEMPTING POSITIONS FROM THE CIVIL SERVICE SYSTEM, RETURNING POSITIONS TO THE CIVIL SERVICE SYSTEM, RETITLING EXISTING TITLES, ESTABLISHING NEW TITLES, AND ADJUSTING SALARIES FOR EXISTING TITLES, ALL BY A TWO-THIRDS VOTE OF THE CITY COUNCIL. FOR BRIEFING, DISCUSSION, AND POSSIBLE VOTE. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE DO HAVE A PRESENTER. WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND PRESENT YOURSELF, AND THEN I'LL SAY AN INTRODUCTION, AND YOU CAN GO AHEAD WITH YOUR PRESENTATION. >> BEN NOBLE, DIRECTOR. >> THANK YOU, BEN, FOR BEING WITH US TODAY. IT'S BEEN A YEAR SINCE WE HAVE PROCESSED A QUARTERLY EMPLOYMENT ORDINANCE. SO JUST FOR BACKGROUND, COUNCIL AUTHORIZES CERTAIN CITY PERSONNEL ACTIONS THROUGH QUARTERLY EMPLOYMENT ORDINANCE. THIS FOURTH QUARTER 2024 IMPLEMENT ORDINANCE PROPOSES CHANGES TO CIVIL SERVICE CLASSIFICATIONS, JOB TITLES, AND RATES OF PAY. IN OTHER WORDS, COMPENSATION SCHEDULES. WE HAD OUR FIRST DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AT OUR LAST MEETING ON DECEMBER 12. SO THIS IS IN MY COMMITTEE BECAUSE GOVERNANCE IS ALSO OVERSEEN -- I SHOULDN'T SAY ALWAYS, BUT THE GOVERNANCE COMMITTEE OVERSEES THE SEATTLE DEPARTMENT OF HUMAN RESOURCES, WHICH I CALL SPHR. AND THAT IS WHY IT IS BEFORE US. I HAVE TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF A BACKGROUND, SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M COMING FROM, IF YOU DON'T REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION LAST YEAR. SO BASICALLY THE QUARTERLY EMPLOYMENT ORDINANCE USED TO GO STRAIGHT TO FULL COUNCIL. WE WOULD JUST VOTE ON IT. I DON'T REMEMBER THERE BEING MUCH DISCUSSION FROM QUARTER TO QUARTER. THAT SEEMED ODD TO ME BECAUSE I BELIEVE ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH MONEY, WHICH, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYMENT ORDINANCES BY NATURE OF THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SOME CHANGES IN CLASSIFICATION AND COMPENSATION SCHEDULES DOES. SO I BELIEVE IT NEEDED A LITTLE BIT MORE ROBUST OVERSIGHT. SO I SCHEDULED THE FIRST QUARTER ORDINANCE IN 2024 IN MY COMMITTEE FOR TWO MEETINGS. TO FAMILIARIZE MYSELF WITH THE CONTENT OF THE LEGISLATION, WHICH BEEN TRANSMITTED, THE Q1 ORDINANCE HAS BEEN TRANSMITTED ALREADY, SO I STARTED LOOKING INTO THE CONTENT BY ALSO FAMILIARIZING MYSELF WITH THE ONE THAT WE HAD PASSED IN FULL COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY, WHICH WAS THE FOURTH QUARTER EMPLOYMENT ORDINANCE FROM 2023. AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF SOME OF MY QUESTIONS. I WAS ALSO READING THE -- THE CENTRAL STAFF MEMO AND THE FISCAL NOTE. SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I WOULD HAVE ABOUT THE CENTRAL STAFF MEMO. UNDER SECTION THREE, FIVE TITLES, RESPONDING RATES OF THE RATES OF PAY. I SEE THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES COME FROM SDHR, BUT WHO INITIATES THOSE CHANGES? THE DEPARTMENT? OR THE DIVISION DIRECTOR? AND SO ON. I ALSO ASKED IN YOUR MEMOS, FINANCIAL IMPACTS AND ALSO IN THE FISCAL NOTE SECTION. YOU SAY THE ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT ARE ABSORBED BY THE DEPARTMENT. WHAT IS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT OF THESE CHANGES AND WHERE IN THE DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET DID THEY COME FROM? HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE EXTRA RESOURCES TO PAY FOR THE POSITION CHANGES IN CORRESPONDING RATES FOR THE PAY ADJUSTMENTS? AND BASICALLY I COULD GO ON AND ON, AND I ENDED UP SAYING WHILE THE PAY INCREASES IN THE Q4 2023 ORDINANCE MAY BE INSIGNIFICANT, COUNCIL ADOPTS THESE ORDINANCES FOUR TIMES A YEAR, CONSTITUTING A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF SALARY INCREASES IN POSITION CHANGES THAT WILL OCCUR OUTSIDE OUR MID YEAR SUPPLEMENTAL AND FALL BUDGET PROCESSES. I'M ONLY NOW CLUEING IN TO IT THIS, AND I'M ASKING THE ABOVE QUESTIONS BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO GET A SENSE OF THE MAGNITUDE OF THE BUDGET IMPACTS OF THESE QUARTERLY ORDINANCES. TENS OF THOUSANDS, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS. THE LEVEL OF OVERSIGHT AND THE LEVEL OF OVERSIGHT THE COUNCIL EXERTS. SO THAT IS WHERE MY MIND IS AT. I THINK WE ARE STILL IN THAT PLACE A BIT JUDGING FROM SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HEARD COMING IN OUR LAST MEETING. I SHOULD NOTE WE DID END UP PASSING THE Q1 2023 ORDINANCE OUT OF COMMITTEE AND OUT OF FULL COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY. BUT IT WAS A LOT OF BACKGROUND DISCUSSION BETWEEN THIS COMMITTEE, CENTRAL STAFF, THE BUDGET OFFICE, AND IN HR. AND I SAY ALL OF THIS BY WAY OF NOTING THAT I THINK THE PROCESS COULD -- COULD STAND MORE REGULAR OR SYSTEMATIC PROCESS, SO QUESTIONS CAN BE ANSWERED, AND WE HAVE THE BIG QUESTION. I'LL ASK YOU, DIRECTOR NOBLE, TO GO THROUGH WHAT THIS ORDINANCE BEFORE US SEEKS TO ACCOMPLISH. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT. AND JUST TO GIVE CREDIT WHERE IT IS DUE, I'M HERE REALLY INSTEAD FOR KARINA BULL WHO IS OUT WITH SOME FAMILY EBBS, AND I WAS AT THE TABLE LAST YEAR WHEN YOU FIRST CONSIDERED THE BILL. SO JUST TO REMIND YOU AND, AGAIN, TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL CONTEXT. MUCH OF THE CITY'S PERSONNEL SYSTEMS CAN BE ADMINISTERED BY THE EXECUTIVE THROUGH THEIR OWN DIRECT AUTHORITY. BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SPECIFIC ACTIONS THAT REQUIRE COUNCIL APPROVAL. THIS BILL COVERS MANY OF THEM. SO FOR INSTANCE, IT INVOLVES CHANGES IN THE CIVIL SERVICE STATUS FOR A TOTAL OF 15 POSITIONS. FOUR OF THEM ARE BEING REMOVED FROM CIVIL SERVICE. 11 ARE BEING ADDED. CHANGES REQUIRE DIRECT COUNCIL ACTION, AND ACTUALLY REQUIRE A TWO-THIRDS VOTE. SO SIX AFFIRMATIVE VOTES FROM COUNCIL. AND THE DECISION THERE IS SOMEWHAT HIGHER FOR OTHER THINGS. AND SO CHANGES IN A JOB TITLE IN THE BODY OF WORK THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THE JOB TITLE THAT WILL REQUIRE APPROVAL. AND IT ESTABLISHES 13 NEW JOB TITLES. EVERY CITY EMPLOYEE IS ASSIGNED TO A JOB TITLE, CREATING 13 NEW ONES BECAUSE THERE'S A SERIES OF JOBS THAT THEY NEED TO HIRE FOR, WHICH WE DIDN'T NEED TO IN THE PAST OR INVOLVED IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE NEED A NEW POSITION. A NEW TYPE OF POSITION. AND THE OTHER THING, THOUGH THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO SET RATES OF PAY, PARTICULARLY FOR BROADBAND EMPLOYEES, THE RANGE FOR EMPLOYEES, THEY ARE ALSO ESTABLISHED BY ORDINANCE, AND THAT IS THIS BILL THAT WILL PAY FOR TWO SPECIFIC JOB TITLES. SO AT THE LAST MEETING, KARINA AND I, WE WALKED THROUGH THIS IN DETAIL AND ANSWERED MANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS. AN AREA WHERE THERE IS STILL SOME UNRESOLVED QUESTIONS, AND AS YOU'LL HEAR TODAY, NOT ENTIRELY RESOLVED YET, BUT WE'RE ON THE PATH AROUND THE CIVIL SERVICE CHANGES. IN ADDITION TO CHANGING WHETHER THE POSITIONS ARE CIVIL SERVICE PROTECTED OR NOT, AND AGAIN, FOUR ARE LOSING CIVIL SERVICE PROTECTIONS, 11 ARE GAINING THEM. AS A PART OF THAT, THERE WERE ALSO CHANGES IN THE CLASSIFICATION FOR THE JOBS. THE MOST EXTREME EXAMPLE IS THAT WHAT HAD BEEN AN EXECUTIVE 2 POSITION IS BEING CONVERTED TO A PAINTING SUPERVISOR, WHICH IS HAPPENING WHERE THEY DO PAINTING AS WELL AS A VARIETY OF OTHER KINDS OF ADMINISTRATIVE TASKS. AND SO WHEN WE ARE CHANGING THOSE POSITIONS, THERE WAS SOMEBODY OF WORK ASSOCIATED AND IT IS NOW BEING SHIFTED TO SOME NEW CLASSIFICATION. AND TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WILL NOT BE DONE IF THEY WERE DOING SOMETHING. AND THE NEW CLASSIFICATION, WHAT WILL IT TAKE ON AND WHY IS THAT A PRIORITY? WHY THE SHIFT IN CLASSIFICATIONS, AND WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THAT FRONT AND AS RECENTLY AS THIS MORNING. I EXPECT THAT WE WILL GET THAT INFORMATION SHORTLY. WE MAY NOT HAVE IT. AND THERE ARE 13 VACANT POSITIONS, WHERE THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR THIS SHIFT IN THE BODIES OF WORK AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY ARE. AND SO THAT NEW INFORMATION IS WORKING TO PROVIDE. THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE IT TODAY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL BE AVAILABLE BY TUESDAY, SO THE NEXT FULL COUNCIL MEETING. AND A STRATEGY THAT I HAVE DISCUSSED IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE TO MOVE THEM OUT OF COMMITTEE, AND YOU COULD THEN HOLD THE LEGISLATION. AGAIN, I BELIEVE IT IS ON ITS WAY SOON, BUT I CANNOT, YOU KNOW, FORECAST PRECISELY WHEN WE WOULD HAVE IT, SO THAT IS WHERE THINGS STAND. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> THANK YOU, CHAIR, AND THANK YOU, BEN, FOR BEING HERE, REVIEWING, AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR HAVING CENTRAL STAFF AND YOU REACH OUT TO THE EXECUTIVES FROM THE DEPARTMENT FOR THE INFORMATION. AS YOU, YOURSELF, JUST SAID, THERE'S A LOT OF ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS, INCLUDING THE CLASSIFICATIONS THAT THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE INCLUDING TO MAKE THAT WE ARE NOT REQUIRED TO APPROVE, THEY'RE VERY LIMITED, WHERE THEY HAVE GIVEN US THE DIRECT RESPONSIBILITY TO APPROVE AND I FEEL IN ORDER TO DO SO, WE NEED THOSE DETAILS, IF THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO PROVIDE A COUPLE OF SENTENCES TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY NEED TO BE RECLASSIFIED AND THAT WE HAVE TO APPROVE, IT WILL MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR US TO APPROVE OF THE ACTIONS, AS I HAVE SAID IN THE PAST, I MADE A COMMITMENT TO THE CONSTITUENTS THAT I SERVE, THAT I DO MY DUE DILIGENCE WHEN I'M REVIEWING THINGS. AND IT IS ACCOUNTABILITY IN GOOD GOVERNANCE, WHICH I THINK IS EXPRESSLY THE FOCUS OF THIS COMMITTEE. AND WHILE I UNDERSTAND THESE CHANGES ARE NOT CONTROVERSIAL, AND HAVING WORKED IN THE DEPARTMENT, I, MYSELF, HAVE HAD TO RECLASSIFY THE POSITIONS, SO I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS, AND THESE ARE NOT CONTROVERSIAL. I FEEL I NEED THE INFORMATION AS I SAID EARLIER, TAKING A VOTE. AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHY FOR 13 POSITIONS. IT FEELS LIKE IT'S BEEN A BIT ONEROUS, GIVEN THIS INFORMATION, AND I'M NOT SURE WHY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID IN THE ABSENCE OF THE INFORMATION, I FEEL LIKE I WOULD BE RUBBER STAMPING SOMEONE ELSE'S DECISIONS, INSTEAD OF BEING ABLE TO MAKE THE INFORMED DECISIONS TO DO THE VOTE ON THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT I HAVE BEEN GIVEN. THAT'S HOW I FEEL, AND SO TODAY, I WILL VOTE TO MOVE THIS OUT OF COMMITTEE WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WE RECEIVED THE INFORMATION ON THESE 13 POSITIONS BEFORE IT COMES TO FULL COUNCIL. THANK YOU, CHAIR. THANK YOU, BEN. >> AND BECAUSE THIS COMMITTEE ACTIONS AND THIS COMMITTEE DO NOT GO TO THE FOLLOWING FULL COUNCIL BECAUSE IT IS AFTER WE TAKE VOTES AFTER 1:00 ON A THURSDAY. SO HAD WOULD NORMALLY GO, NOT ON -- OH. AND THERE IS ALSO THE HOLIDAY. SO IT WOULD NOT -- NORMALLY NOT BE ON THE AGENDA ON THE 13th. WE DON'T HAVE THE -- WE HAVE A HOLIDAY ON THE 20th, SO IT WOULD PERHAPS COME ON THE 27th. THANK YOU FOR GETTING THIS OUT OF COMMITTEE. GO AHEAD, COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, THANK YOU, CHAIR. I WAS REVIEWING THE BRIEFING. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU WERE GOING TO WALK THROUGH THAT. IT STRIKES ME AS INTERESTING. I CONCUR WITH THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND COUNCIL MEMBER MORALES ON THE POINTS THAT THEY'RE MAKING. BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS. YOU KNOW, THESE CHANGES THAT HAPPEN. OBVIOUSLY WE CREATE NEW ONES AND WE HAVE A RETURNED 11 POSITIONS. AND WHY WERE THEY PLACED IN THE POSITION WHERE THEY NEED TO RETURN? AND IS THIS A REFLECTION OF DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATIONS HAVING DIFFERENT PHILOSOPHIES? WHAT'S DRIVING THE SWING? >> THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MIGHT BE REVEALED IN THE ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS. SO I'LL GET A LITTLE GEEKY IN DETAILS HERE FOR YOU. AND A NUMBER OF THE POSITIONS, THEY ARE TAKING A STRATEGIC ADVISER, AND IS EXEMPT AND RECLASSIFYING IT TO THE STRATEGIC ADVISER, SO ONE WITH CIVIL SERVICE PROTECTION. AND IT IS NOT CLEAR TO ME, HENCE THE QUESTION. IS THAT BECAUSE OF THE NEW BODY OF WORK THAT IS MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE CIVIC SERVICE PROTECTION OR THAT SOMEONE REALIZED, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE PROBABLY SAW THE CREATION, AND SO WHEN WE SAY RETURN, IT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN THAT THEY WERE ORIGINALLY IN CIVIL SERVICE AND THEN CAME OUT AND ARE NOW GOING BACK IN. IT MAY HAVE BEEN THEY WERE CREATED WITH AN EXEMPT STATUS, WITH RESPECT TO CIVIL SERVICE. BUT IN THAT CASE, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE SHIFT BACK TO CIVIL SERVICE BECAUSE THE BODY OF WORK HAS CHANGED OR BECAUSE SOMEBODY THOUGHT BETTER ABOUT THAT UNDERLINING BODY OF WORK, AND IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE CIVIL SERVICE PROTECTION. AND I DO THINK, I DON'T KNOW THIS. IT MAY HAVE BEEN THE OVERTIME WHERE THE CITY GOT A LITTLE BIT LAX OR HAD A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ABOUT WHAT QUALIFIES FOR CIVIL SERVICE PROTECTION AND WHAT DOESN'T. IF YOU WILL, BEING MORE CAREFUL. THAT IS MAYBE A LOADED TERM THAT IT IS NOT INTENDED TO BE, BUT YOU GET THE IDEA. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THOSE ANSWERS TO UNDERSTAND. IN SOME WAYS, IT IS STRATEGIC ADVISER TO STRATEGIC ADVISER. I CAN'T TELL. >> I UNDERSTAND. AND SO THAT GOES, THANK YOU, DIRECTOR NOBLE. THAT WILL GO ALSO TO, YOU KNOW, ARE THESE POSITIONS NEW, WHICH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, OR SWITCHING, INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS OF CREATING A NEW ONE, THEY'RE TAKING AN OLD ONE AND JUST MODIFYING IT, AND THAT WILL CHANGE THE CONDITIONS THAT WILL LEAD TO THE DECISIONS TO RETURN SOMETHING. BECAUSE YOU KNOW, I COULD LOOK AT SPD, NUMBER FOUR, LEGAL SYSTEM. WELL, LEGAL ASSISTANT. SOUNDS LIKE IT WILL ALWAYS BE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE A PART OF THE CIVIL SERVICE. IT IS NOT A SENIOR OR WHATEVER KIND OF BASIC, YOU KNOW, STRAIGHTFORWARD. AND SO IT IS LIKE WHY IS THIS NEEDING TO BE RETURNED? WHY IS IT ALWAYS THAT WAY? >> AND AGAIN, I'M NOT IN PREPARATION FOR THIS HEARING. I WENT TO REVIEW THE CIVIL SERVICE RULES ABOUT WHAT WILL MAKE THING. AND EVEN HAVING READ THE RULES, I DON'T HAVE COMPLETE CLARITY ABOUT WITH A HAD WILL MAKE THE DISTINCTION AND JUST BEING HONEST ABOUT THAT. BUT THERE IS REFERENCE TO THE LEVEL OF SENSITIVITY OF THE MATERIAL THAT THEY'RE SEEING IN WORKING WITH AND THE NATURE OF THE RELATIONSHIP. AND TO THEIR SUPERVISOR. IT COULD BE EVEN AS A LEGAL ASSISTANT. THE KIND OF WORK THAT THEY WERE DOING PREVIOUSLY WAS A SENSITIVE NATURE THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE AND NOW THAT THEY ARE GOING TO USE THAT POSITION. IF I RECALL THAT ONE, MAYBE MORE IN THE LINES OF DOING SCREENING FOR HIRING OR SOMETHING, IN WHICH CASE, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, THE CIVIL SERVICE PROTECTION, IT IS APPROPRIATE IN THE WAY THAT IT WASN'T BEFORE. >> I UNDERSTAND. AND I WOULD SAY TOO, I APPRECIATE HAVING THIS BRIEFING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE DO A LOT OF WORK. I WORK WITH COUNCIL PRESIDENT, AS YOU KNOW, I'M ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY SIDE RELATED TO RECRUITMENT. WE PASSED THAT BILL LAST YEAR. IT IS GOOD TO SEE IN TERMS OF ESTABLISH BECAUSE WE CREATED THE PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICE COMMISSION. AND THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT IT IS NICE TO SEE IN TERMS OF THE FOLLOW THROUGH. THAT'S IMPORTANT. AS MENTIONED HERE BEFORE ON THE DIOCESE. IF WE DO SLIDES OR COUNCIL BUDGET ACTION OR WE DO OTHER PIECES LIKE THE LEGISLATION. AND IF WE DON'T FOLLOW IT UP, HAS SOMEONE NOTED THAT IT IS JUST A PIECE OF PAPER? SO WE HAVE TO DO THE DUE DILIGENCE AND KEEP THE PRESS ON, WHICH WILL KIND OF GO TO THE COUNCIL MEMBER RIVERA'S POINT, TO ENSURE WE'RE GETTING THE JOB DONE. >> AND SOME OF THESE CHANGES ARE RESPONSIVE, SO IT WAS BEING SHIFTED TO THE COMMISSION AND ALONG WITH WHAT NEEDED TO SHOW YOU THE MODIFICATIONS TO THE CLASSIFICATIONS AND THE TWO SHOPS. >> EXACTLY. >> AND THAT IS SOME OF WHAT IS REFLECTED HERE. I GOT TO TELL MY STORY THE LAST TIME. WE ARE TAKING ON A WHOLE NEW BODY OF WORK THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD AND WE NEED POSITIONS FOR THAT AS WELL. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. >> AND ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? >> I WOULD SAY THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER, FOR RAISING THE PIECE ABOUT DEPARTMENTS DO SOMETIMES REPURPOSE POSITIONS, WHERE THEY'VE HAD A VACANCY FOR A WHILE. THEY HAD A NEED FOR A DIFFERENT BODY OF WORK. THEY CAN REQUEST A RECLASSIFICATION TO A WHOLE DIFFERENT JOB TITLE TO DO THE THING THEY CURRENTLY NEED DONE BECAUSE THEY NO LONGER NEEDED THAT POSITION. THAT BODY OF WORK WENT AWAY FOR REASONS. AND MY CONCERN IS IF YOU ARE GETTING RID OF A BODY OF WORK, IS THAT BODY OF WORK THAT YOU'RE GETTING RID OF AT A MOMENT GOING TO COME BACK? AND THEN AT THAT POINT, YOU HAVE TO ADD A NEW POSITION BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FIRE THE PERSON THAT IS IN THAT POSITION BECAUSE NOW WE NEED THESE ORIGINAL BODIES OF WORK. AND I THINK THAT THE INFORMATION AS TO WHY WE'RE DOING THE RECLASSIFICATION, YOU KNOW, WHY IS THE BODY OF WORK CHANGING. ALL OF THAT IS IMPORTANT WHEN YOU ARE MAKING THESE DECISIONS. AS I SAID EARLIER, THIS DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A LONG DRAWN OUT BIG EXPLANATION. THESE THINGS COULD BE READY ANSWERED AND AS FAR AS HAVING DONE THIS MYSELF IN THE DEPARTMENT. AGAIN, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE CAN'T GET -- I WOULD SAY A QUICK ANSWER, BUT NOW IT'S BEEN A WHILE. JUST A SHORT ANSWER AS TO EACH OF THESE, TO GIVE US THE INFORMATION BY WHICH WE COULD SAY YEAH, I VOTED. AND IF SOMEBODY ASKED ME WHY, I COULD SAY WHY. AND THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME. AND ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE DIRECTORS AND ALL THE WONDERFUL WORK THEY DO. AND THAT HAPPENS TOO. >> AND JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENT. WE SAID IT THIS LAST TIME TOO. TO BE CLEAR, THERE IS A LOT THAT HAPPENS. AND THEY DO NOT HAVE A VOICE IN. THERE ARE 12,000 CITY EMPLOYEES AND IT WOULD BE INSUFFICIENT. BUT YOU'RE SEEING THESE BECAUSE THEY ARE TIED UP. BUT AGAIN, THEY HAD SOME EXPLANATION AND IT IS TOTALLY REASONABLE. WITHOUT COMMENT, IF YOU WILL, THE REASON WHY THIS HAS BEEN PROJECTED, THESE QUESTIONS HAD NOT BEEN STANDARD PRACTICE IN THE PAST OR AT LEAST IN THE RECENT PAST. AGAIN, THAT'S NOT MY POSITION TO MAKE JUDGMENT ABOUT THAT. AND SO SOME FOLKS, THEY ARE SORT OF CAUGHT OFF GUARD, IF YOU WILL. BUT AGAIN, AT THIS POINT, I'M NOT RECEIVING ANY RESISTANCE, JUST A QUESTION OF HAVING CLARIFIED. AND ON YOUR BEHALF IF YOU WILL AND IN AN EFFORT TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE ARE SORT OF IN THIS EXECUTIVE TOGETHER IN SOME LEVELS, WOULD TRY TO STREAMLINE THE QUESTION. SO THIS SHOULD BE STRAIGHTFORWARD. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET RESPONSES RELATIVELY QUICKLY. >> YEAH. I WAS GOING TO COMMENT, AS I KNOW YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP, I CAN TELL. I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS, WE HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE. THIS IS A MANIFESTATION OF THAT IMPULSE, ASKING A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ASKED BEFORE ABOUT THINGS THAT SEEM INSIGNIFICANT, THAT ARE ULTIMATELY IMPORTANT. AND THAT IS WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE STEP-BY-STEP DAILY BLOCK AND TACKLE OF THE LEGISLATIVE OVERSIGHT ENTAILS. GO AHEAD. >> I WAS JUST -- THANK YOU, CHAIR. WE'RE GOING TO FOLLOW UP. I'M NOT ASKING TO LOOK AT EVERY POSITION ACROSS THE CITY AND HAVING DONE THE WORK. I DON'T THINK COUNCIL NEEDS TO. BUT THE ONES THAT THEY HAVE GIVEN US DIRECT RESPONSIBILITY TO, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING, RIGHT? AND SO REALLY, I DON'T SEE IT AS A HEAVY LIFT OR AN OVERREACH OR IT IS NOT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. WE JUST WANT SOME BASIC INFORMATION. >> COUNCIL MEMBER SAKA? >> THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT OR THE CHAMBERS HERE TODAY, MADAM CHAIR. BOTH. SO I APPRECIATE THE GREAT DISCUSSION SO FAR IN THE FIRST PAST YEAR, I LEARNED THAT AS A NEWER COUNCIL MEMBER NOW, I LEARNED THAT WE HAVE A FEW POWERS AS A SEPARATELY ELECTED BRANCH OF THE EXECUTIVE. AND ONE IS WHO CAN WRITE CHECKS AND WRITE LAWS. THE EXECUTIVE IS PRINCIPALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR SPENDING THAT MONEY OR NOT. THAT'S WITHIN THEIR PREROGATIVE. AND IMPLEMENTING ANY AND ALL LAWS THAT WE PASS. AND A PART OF THAT AUTHORITY WITH RESPECT TO THE POWER, WHAT WE COULD DO IS I'VE LEARNED THAT WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY AS COUNCIL MEMBERS AND AS A COUNCIL TO FUND PROGRAMS AND CREATE POSITIONS. POSITION AUTHORITY. FUND PROGRAMS ASK CREATE POSITION AUTHORITIES. AND THE FACT THAT WE JUST DID THAT THIS LAST BUDGET AT LEAST ONCE. AND IT IS UP TO THE EXECUTIVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO IMPLEMENT. MY QUESTION IS, DIRECTOR NOBLE, IS THERE CURRENTLY ANY REQUIREMENT AS PART OF ALL OF THIS THAT WE'RE DOING NOW, FOR THE ORDINANCE, THE ONLY FORCE AWAY. NOT GOING TO COMPEL THE RESOLUTION. IS THERE ANY LEGISLATION ORDINANCE THAT SPECIFICALLY REQUIRES THE EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENT AS A PART OF THIS PROCESS HERE TO DISCLOSE IF ONE OF THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE CLASSIFICATION, WHETHER IT IS THE JOB TITLES, PAY RATES, ETC., HAS TIES TO AND TRACES TO ONE OF THE PREVIOUSLY CREATED COUNCIL ROLES. IS THERE A WAY, CURRENT LEGISLATION IT IN PLACE THAT WILL REQUIRE THEM, AND TWO, THE SECOND QUESTION IS IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY LEGAL REQUIREMENT BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THAT WOULD BE. WE COULD BEG FOR INFORMATION AND ASK KINDLY OFFLINE, AND THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO SOLVE THESE CHALLENGES BECAUSE WE ALL COLLABORATE TOGETHER OR COMPEL IT. AND SO IN THE ABSENCE OF THAT, THAT LEGAL REQUIREMENT, WHAT MECHANISMS DO WE HAVE TO BETTER TRACE THE LINEAGE OF THOSE PROPOSED? IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO KNOW, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AT LEAST, WHICH, IF ANY OF THESE, CIVIL SERVICE CLASSIFICATION CHANGES SPECIFICALLY TIED TO A PRIOR COUNCIL PRIORITY PROGRAM ESTABLISHED POSITION? TWO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS NO EXISTING REQUIREMENT, IF YOU WILL. I HAD TO THINK MORE ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION BECAUSE IT IS TRICKY. AND WHETHER IT IS SORT OF COUNCIL INITIATED IDEA OR ONE THAT WAS IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET FROM THE MAYOR, RIGHT? AND ALSO THE CHALLENGE OF HAVING MYSELF IN THE CITY FOR ALMOST 25 YEARS AND THE TIME SPAN OF THOSE THINGS AND HOW THEY WOULD EVOLVE. AND SO THAT IS ALSO WHY WE'RE GOING TO LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT BODY OF WORK WAS BEING ASSOCIATED WITH IT AND WHAT BODY OF WORK WOULD BE APPLIED TO, IF YOU WILL. I DON'T NEED TO REMIND YOU JUST BECAUSE WE'RE SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT IT. IT'S NOT TO REMOVE IT UNTIL YOU GET THE ANSWERS, RIGHT? AND I HAVE BEEN USE THOSE CONVERSATIONS NOT IN A THREATENING WAY, BUT THAT IT IS ACKNOWLEDGED, RIGHT? AND AGAIN, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD SAY IT IS A NEW DAY, AND WE NEED TO CLARIFY THAT AND THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT. AND WE DO AS WELL. SO YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE DIFFERENT THAN PREVIOUS COUNCILS. AND I HAVE BEEN HAVING THAT DISCUSSION. SO WE NEED THE INFORMATION NOW AND THE NEXT TIME YOU SEND ONE OF THESE ORDINANCES, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED AND WHAT THEY WILL LOOK LIKE GOING FORWARD. ANDED FROM CENTRAL STAFF AND LEGISLATIVE STAFF PERSPECTIVE. WE COULD MAKE, I'M TRYING TO THINK WHICH EFFORTS WE COULD TAKE TO TRACK THE POSITIONS THAT YOU WOULD ALL CREATE THIS PAST FALL TO SEE NOT ONLY, YOU KNOW, WHEN DO THEY GET FILLS AND IN THE END, YOUR POLICY DIRECTIONS WILL FOLLOW THROUGH ON AND IMPLEMENT IT? AND IF WE START TO DEVELOP A DIRECT MECHANISM THAT THEY WILL EXIST IN TIME. >> THANK YOU. WITH RESPECT TO THE LADDER COMPONENT OF YOUR RESPONSE, SURE IT MAKES SENSE. AND SO WE SHOULD PROBABLY INITIATE TRACKING ON OUR END IF WE HAVEN'T ALREADY. AND I THINK ULTIMATELY THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT AND THAT IT HAD COULD BE A BURDEN SHIFT IN THINGS, AND THAT WE SHOULD REST WITH THE DEPARTMENT AND TRACING IT AND THAT WE WILL HAVE A SMALL STAFF. AND YOU WANT TO IMPOSE ANOTHER WHEN THEY WOULD HAVE 13,000 EMPLOYEES. AND YOUR RESPONSE, YES, AS THE ULTIMATE MECHANISM OF AN EXERCISE OF OUR AUTHORITY AND AS WE COULD SAY NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PASS YOUR PROPOSAL. THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT. NOT DIFFICULT, BUT THEY WILL REQUIRE FIVE VOTES BECAUSE IT'S A POLICY IN OUR BODY. AND THE EASIER THING TO DO WOULD BE TO COMPEL OR REQUIRE THAT INFORMATION UPFRONT. AND TO ADDRESS IT IN A MORE DURABLE, SCALABLE MANNER, RATHER THAN HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER, MARSHAWN LYNCH, BEAST MODE, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, RIGHT? AND SO YEAH, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK AROUND CORNERS. >> I HAVE A SOLUTION. >> ANY WAY, GO AHEAD. >> AND THE FISCAL NOTE REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE IN THEORY WILL PROVIDE THAT THE IDEA IS TO PROVIDE THE TITLE FINANCIAL FISCAL, AND THEY INCLUDE A SUMMARY AND THEY ACCUMULATED A VARIETY OF OTHER THINGS WITH SOME SPECIFICATION ADDED ABOUT THE POSITION AUTHORITY AND WHAT WE EXPECT FROM THE EXECUTIVE IN TERMS OF THAT. SO AGAIN, I WOULD WANT -- I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON THE FLY. WE WOULD WANT TO THINK ABOUT THE BEST WAY TO IMPLEMENT. >> AND TRACING THE LINEAGE OF THE POSITION PROPOSED CHANGES TO CIVIL SERVICE CLASSIFICATIONS BASED OFF OF, YOU KNOW, THAT WERE CREATED VIA LEGISLATION. AND MANDATING THAT OR REQUIRING THAT LEGISLATIVELY IS ONE THING. AND THE OTHER THING THAT COULD BE DONE IS, YOU KNOW, REQUIRING CERTAIN DETAILED INFORMATION, LEGISLATIVELY, RATHER THAN PLEASE, YOU KNOW, SHARE IT HAD INFORMATION. AND ANY WAY, LET'S CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION. >> YEP. >> AND SO YOU'RE DIPPING YOUR TOE INTO A POOL THAT I KIND OF TOOK A BATH IN. SO LET ME JUST SAY FOR EXAMPLE, YES, IT IS TRUE, DIRECTOR NOBLE, THAT THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO TALK ABOUT FINANCIAL IMPACTS, AND I ASKED THAT QUESTION. WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT Q4, 2023, AND THERE WERE ROUGHLY 12 POSITIONS IMPACTED IN VARIOUS WAYS. THEY WOULD HAVE NO DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR THE IMPACT. AND FOR THE QUESTION THAT WILL SAY IS THERE, YOU KNOW, QUESTION TWO OR THREE. DO THEY HAVE FINANCIAL IMPACTS TO THE CITY AND THAT THERE IS AN EXPLANATION NO AND THESE ACTIONS THAT IS A WORD COUNT. BECAUSE THEY ARE ABLE TO PAY FOR IT THAT YEAR BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT SOME RESOURCES. AND YOU'RE ADDING TO THE BASE YEAR AFTER YEAR AND THAT WILL ADD UP. AND THEN YOU MULTIPLY THE NUMBER OF POSITIONS THAT WE ARE RECLASSIFYING. IN FACT, THE -- I FOUND OUT THAT QUARTER'S FINANCIAL IMPACTS WERE 67,000. AND THAT WAS BASED ON DIFFERENCES IN THOSE POSITIONS. AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE TO DIG IN, OKAY, HOW MUCH DO THEY DIFFER? THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE VERY MUCH. HOWEVER, WE'VE HAD SOME IMPROVEMENTS WHERE THEY ARE PROVIDING MORE INFORMATION AT THIS TIME. AND SO I BELIEVE THE IMPACT IS 90,000. I'M NOT SURE. IT'S IT IN MY NOTES HERE. AND WE HAVE BEEN TALKING SO FAR ABOUT THE WORK, WHAT IS GETTING DONE AND WHAT IS NOT GETTING DONE, AND SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT BOTH KINDS OF IMPACTS HERE. SO IT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE VERY MUCH. I ENDED UP ASKING HOW MANY CLASSIFICATIONS WERE THERE IN 2023 TOTAL? AND AS YOU SAID, DIRECTOR NOBLE, THE VAST MAJORITY OF CHANGES TO POSITIONS, AND IN WHATEVER FORM THEY ARE, THEY NEVER CAME BEFORE COUNCIL. AND JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND. GUESS HOW MANY REQUESTS FOR CLASSIFICATION REVIEWS THERE WERE IN 2023? OKAY. AND THERE WERE 568 REQUESTS FOR CLASSIFICATION REVIEWS IN 2023 AND PROJECTED FINANCIAL IMPACTS OF THE CHANGES TO BE ABOUT $2.9 MILLION ACTUAL FISCAL IMPACTS THAT WOULD TURN OUT TO BE $1.8 MILLION. AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. AND THEY DO ADD UP IN LAYERS AND WHAT THEY WOULD FIGHT INTO DEFICITS. SO THE POINT IS THE SOLUTION TO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, THAT THEY DID COME UP WITH AN IDEA AND THAT THEY COULD, THE ONE AT THE END OF THE YEAR COULD INCLUDE ANNUAL REPORTS WITH FINANCIAL IMPACTS OF ALL CLASSIFICATION REVIEWS IN A LUMP SUM, I WOULD SAY, BUT THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY GET TO THE ACTUAL WORK. BUT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO ASK FOR MORE INFORMATION AND THEN CODIFY IT IN A PIECE OF LEGISLATION. I WOULD BE OPEN TO THAT IDEA. OKAY. YES? >> MADAM COUNCIL PRESIDENT. THANK YOU. ALL THAT SOUNDS TERRIFIC. LET'S GO. AND THEN THE ONLY THING I'LL SAY, YES, I AGREE. WE'RE GETTING THAT INFORMATION CURRENTLY FROM THE EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENTS TODAY, AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME INFORMATION THAT IS FORTHCOMING. THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED, WHICH IS GREAT. AND I THINK THE BENEFIT OF GOING ALONG THE SOLUTION ROUTE THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HERE, AGAIN, MY GOAL IS A SCALABLE, DURABLE SOLUTION. AND SO YES, I'M PROUD TO BE ABLE TO PARTNER WITH THE CURRENT EXECUTIVE, THE CURRENT EXECUTIVE IS RESPONSIVE AND AVAILABLE. BUT THIS IS AN INTENDED OUTLET. ME AND THE CURRENT EXECUTIVE. I WANT TO SET THEM UP FOR SUCCESS. AND THE TAX PAYING PUBLIC UP FOR SUCCESS. >> AND ALL OF THE ABOVE, THEY WILL THANK US FOR THAT ALSO. ALWAYS SOME CERTAINTY AROUND THE QUESTION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND ONE MORE, GO AHEAD. >> AND CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND IF YOU NEED THAT BODY OF WORK THAT YOU DIDN'T THINK YOU NEEDED, NOW YOU'RE HAVING TO ADD POSITIONS TO DO THE THINGS YOU DIDN'T THINK YOU NEEDED TO DO. SO THIS IS ALL VERY PRUDENT. I THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER SAKA, FOR YOUR WORDS. AND THIS IS TO SET UP THE CITY FOR SUCCESS THAT WILLOUT LIVE US UP HERE, SO I AGREE. THANK YOU. >> AND AGAIN, WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT USED TO GO TO FULL COUNCIL, GET VOTED ON BY ALL NINE, AND I DON'T REMEMBER ONE NEVER PASSING. SO THIS IS TURNING A NEW CORNER IN THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY. OKAY. SEEING NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, I MOVE THE COMMITTEE RECOMMEND PASSAGE OF COUNCIL BILL 120925. IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> OKAY. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO RECOMMEND PASSAGE OF THE BILL. WILL THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION THAT COUNCIL PASS COUNCIL BILL 120925. >> COUNCILMEMBER HOLLINGSWORTH? >> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER KETTLE? >> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER RIVERA? >> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER SAKA? >> AYE. >> CHAIR NELSON? >> AYE. >> FIVE IN FAVOR. >> THE MOTION CARRIES, AND THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATION THAT COUNCIL PASS COUNCIL BILL 120925 WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL CONSIDERATION ONCE THE QUESTIONS ARE ANSWERED. IT IS SCHEDULED FOR A VOTE IN CITY COUNCIL MEETING. OKAY. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR THAT DISCUSSION. THIS CONCLUDES THE AGENDA OF THE JANUARY 9 MEETING OF THE GOVERNANCE, ACCOUNTABILITY, AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER THINGS THEY'D LIKE TO BRING UP IN OTHER BUSINESS? NO? OKAY. WE'LL BE MOVING OUR 2:00 P.M -- JUST A SECOND. OH, YES, PLEASE NOTE WE WILL BE MOVING OUR 2:00 P.M. THURSDAY, JANUARY 22, COMMITTEE MEETING TO 9:30 FRIDAY, JANUARY 24, NO, IS THAT THE 23? CAN YOU PLEASE -- >> THE 24th, COUNCIL PRESIDENT. >> OKAY, IT IS SCHEDULED FOR, USUALLY, THURSDAY IS THE 23. WE'RE MOVING IT TO THE 24th BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF WORK FOR THE VACANCY THAT'S COMING UP THAT DAY. SO THE NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING WILL BE 2:00 P.M. ON JANUARY 24. NEXT WILL BE 9:30 ON JANUARY 24, WHICH IS A FRIDAY. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.