>>COUN. BENTON: THE 19th MEETING OF THE 25th COUNCIL WILL COME TOEREDER. COUNCILOR JONES IS EXCUSED THIS EVENING. ALL OTHER COUNCILORS ARE PRESENT. WE'LL START WITH THE MOMENT OF SILENCE FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IN ENGLISH BY COUNCILOR BASSAN AND IN SPANISH BY COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, COUNCILORS. SERVIC PLAZA PARKING PASSES ARE PROVIDE FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. YOU CAN OBTAIN ONE FROM COUNCIL STAFF AT THE TABLE NEAR THE CHAMBER'S ENTRANCE. WE PROVIDE MANY WAYS TO VIEW THE MEETING. AND THAT INCLUDES FOUR DIFFERENT PLATFORMS, GOVTV ON COMCAST CHANNEL 16. THE WEBSITE, YOUTUBE, AND ZOOM WEBINAR. LIVE STREAMS CAN BE ACCESSED FOR MOST SMART STONES -- PHONES AND TABLETS AND COMPUTERS. YOU MAY ENABLE THE CLOSED CAPTIONING ON YOUR DEVICE AT THIS TIME. THE VIDEO RECORDING ON THIS AND ALL COUNCIL MEETINGS WILL REMAIN AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING AT ANY TIME ON THE CITY COUNCIL WEBSITE. YOU CAN JUST CALL IF YOU NEED HELP ACCESSING THAT. YOU CAN CALL OUR OFFICE, 768-3100 DURING BUSINESS HOURS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. IT'S EASY TO GET ON AND CHOOSE SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO REVIEW OR IF YOU MISS SOMETHING YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT. THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE A BREAK AT 7 P.M. IF NECESSARY. AND AS USUAL WITH REGARD TO DECORUM IN THE CHAMBERS, WE DO WANT THE MEETINGS TO PROCEED CIVILLY AND RESPECTFULLY. DO NOT MAKE ANY PERSONAL ATTACKS. AND PLEASE NO APPLAUSE OR OTHER OUTBURSTS DURING THE MEETING. THE MEETING WILL GO SMOOTHER IF WE'RE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER. ANYONE CAUSING A DISRUPTION WILL BE GIVEN ONE WARNING. AND UPON THE SECOND OR CONTINUED DISRUPTION THE INDIVIDUAL WILL BE ASKED TO LEAVE THE CHAMBERS AND IF NECESSARY ESCOURTED BY SECURITY AND THAT WILL REMAIN IN EFFECT FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE MEETING. WE'LL MOVE TO PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS. STARTING WITH COUNCILOR GROUT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, AND COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. THIS IS RECOGNIZING THE NATIONAL HOMELESS YOUTH AWARENESS MONTH. AND I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE KATHLEEN WILLDEAN INVESTIGATOR WITH THE PACIFIC INSTITUTE FOR RESEARCH AND EVALUATION. CEO OF NEW DAY YOUTH AND FAMILY SERVICES. JENNIFER WISE BURKE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF SERENITY MESA. ROBERT SANCHEZ, CEO OF YDI. JACK -- SENIOR DIRECTOR OF INTERVENTION. BEHAVIORAL HEALTH OF YDI AND STEVEN SERANO TO ACCEPT IF THEY WANT TO JOIN US AT THE FRONT. AND WHILE YOU COME UP, I'M GOING TO START READING THE PROCLAMATION. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WHEREAS A FEBRUARY 2022 COMPREHENSIVE NEEDS ASSESSMENT COMPLETED FOR THE RESEARCH AND EVALUATION ESTIMATED THAT 1,200 TO 2,300 YOUNG PEOPLE BETWEEN THE AGES OF 16 AND 25 ARE HOMELESS AND INSECURELY HOUSED IN BERNALILLO COUNTY. THEY'RE EXPOSED TO COUNTLESS DANGEROUS WITH LIKELIHOOD OF SUBSTANCE ABUSE, DEPRESSION, AND VULNERABILITY TO BEING TRAFFICKED. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: WHEREAS CITY LEADERS ARE ENGAGING STAKEHOLERS TO PROTECT NEW MEXICO YOUTH EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND CREATE AWARENESS OF THE IMMEDIATE NEED. AND WHEREAS IF OUR COMMUNITY DOES NOT ADDRESS THE NEEDS OF OUR HOMELESS YOUTH WE'LL FACE INCREASING CHALLENGES WITH OU AHOMELESS POPULATION. AND CITY COUNCIL IS ALREADY SECURED FUNDING FOR THE YOUTH CENTER FOR YOUNG PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS BECAUSE ADULT SHELTERS DO NOT PROVIDE SERVICES THAT ARE APPROPRIATE AND YOUTH FEEL UNSAFE IN ADULT SHELTERS. >>COUN. GROUT: AND CITY COUNCIL RECOGNIZES THE SKILLED AND COMMITMENT OF OUR OWN CORE YOUTH SERVICE PROVIDERS WHO SUPPORT THE NEED OF YOUNG PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS 24 HOURS A DAY, 365 DAYS A YEAR INCLUDING YDI, NEW DAY YOUTH, AND FAMILY SERVICES. CASA Q, AND SURUNTY MESA. BE IT PROCLAIMED THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE RECOGNIZES NOVEMBER 2022 AS NATIONAL HOMELESS YOUTH AWARENESS MONTH. I AND BROOK TAFOYA TO SPEAK AN EVERYBODY'S BEHALF. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. THIS GROUP HAS BEEN WORKING TOGETHER TIRELESSLY FOR YEARS BUILD A COMPREHENSIVE CONTINUUM OF CARE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE. AND WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THE SUPPORT OF COUNCILORS MAKING A DREAM AROUND A YOUNG ADULT SHELTER COMING MORE INTO REALITY EVERY DAY. AND THE TIRELESS WORK OF THIS GROUP AND SO MANY PEOPLE STANDING BEHIND USZ -- US AND IN THE COMMUNITY IS MADE IT POSSIBLE. THE MOST DANGEROUS NIGHT FOR A YOUNG PERSON IS THE FIRST NIGHT ON THE STREET. AND SO OUR WORK IS TO PREVENT THAT FIRST NIGHT FROM OCCURRING. IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT TO SUPPORT THEM SECURING SAFE AND SECURE HOUSING AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. WE'RE SO GRATEFUL FOR THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT AROUND ALL OF OUR YOUNG PEOPLE. THOSE 11 AND UP TO 25. AND DEVELOPING APPROPRIATE SERVICES THAT ARE TRAUMA-RESPONSIVE AND DEVELOPMENTALLY ALIGNED AND STRENGTH-BASED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. SDMRG . >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. [ APPLAUSE ]. >>COUN. BENTON: NEXT WE HAVE A PRESENTATION ON ENCAMPMENT POLICY. AND DIRECTOR MATTHEW WELAND FROM SOLID WASTE WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION. WELCOME DIRECTOR. >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT. COUNCILORS, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE A BRIEF PRESENTATION ON THE ENCAMPMENT POLICY. AND FOR TIME PURPOSES I'LL GIVE THE COMPLETE PRESENTATION. HOWEVER, ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS INVOLVED IN THIS ARE HERE. COME UP FOR QUESTIONS AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. FIRST SLIDE. WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS WALK YOU THROUGH THE FIRST STEP ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE WHAT WE DO. AND ALL THESE DARPTS -- DEPARTMENTS ARE INTERTWINED. THERE MIGHT BE ACS INTERVENTION OR FCS. FIRST, WE RECEIVE NOTICE THROUGH VARIOUS METHODS. THAT CAN BE ELECTRONICALLY THROUGH CITY DEPARTMENTS, CONSTITUENT SERVICES, COUNCIL SERVICES OR AGENCIES OUTSIDE WE WORK WITH. RESIDENTS SHOULD ALWAYS CALL 311 OR USE THE ONE ALBUQUERQUE APP. OR THEY CAN GO TO THE WEBSITE, CABQ.GOV AND THERE'S A SECTION CALLED HOW CAN WE HELP, CLICK ON THAT. AND ONCE THAT HAPPENS THESE REPORTS ARE ROUTED TO SOLID WASTE AND FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES WHO WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH SOLID WASTE TO PRIORITIZE AND ASSESS THESE ENCAMPMENTS. WHAT HAPPENS AT THAT POINT IS THEY'RE PUT ON A LIST BASED ON RECEIVING THEM. THEN WE HAVE OUT. REACH COORDINATORS IF THERE'S INDIVIDUALS THAT ENCAMPMENT THEY WORK WITH SOLID WASTE AND ASSESS AND PRIORITIZE IT BASED ON POLICY. IF THERE ARE NO INDIVIDUALS PRESENT, SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT EMPLOYEES CAN ASSESS THE ENCAMP BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, HOWEVER THEY CAN LOOK AT AN ENCAMPMENT WITH THEIR SUPERVISOR AND ASSESS THE NEED. NEXT SLIDE. THE WAY WE PRIORITIZE THEM IS PRIORITY ONE IS CONSIDERED IMMEDIATE HAZARD. THEY'RE INANY ENCAMPMENT THAT PUT THEM IN IMMEDIATE DANGER, THEM AT THE ENCAMPMENT OR THOSE IN THE AREA. ONCE IT'S PRIORITIZED IT CAN BE LOCATED IN A PUBLIC PARK, AND THAT'S AN IMMEDIATE HAZARD WOULD BE WHEREVER THERE'S CHILDREN'S PROGRAMMING. ADJACENT TO COMMUNITY CENTER, SENIOR CENTER, MULTIGENERALERATIONAL CENTER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. OR IMPEDING THE SIDE WALK WHICH CAUSES THE PERSON CAMP CAN BE A HAZARD OF THE CAR. OR IF A RESIDENT IS WALKING DOWN A SIDEWALK AND THEY HAVE TO GO INTO IMMEDIATE DANGER OF THE STREET TO GO AROUND THE ENCAMPMENT THOSE ARE CONSIDERED IMMEDIATE HAZARD. THOSE CAN BE REMOVED IMMEDIATELY. PRIORITY TWO ENCAMPMENTS ONE OR MORE OF THIS CRITERIA. LOCATED IN THE UNDERPASS, FIVE MORE OR ENCAMPMENT IS PRESENT, HUMAN WASTE OR NEEDLES ARE PRESENT. THIS GIVES NOTICE AND THEY CAN BE MOVED IMMEDIATELY. YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SLIDE THIS IS HOW WE GIVE NOTICE. AND THE PRIORITY THREE, IS ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T MEET PRIORITY ONE OR TWO. AND THESE ARE THE NOTICES WE GIVE. THERE'S TWO COPIES. WE FILL THEM OUT. YOU CAN SEE THERE, ENGLISH AND SPANISH. THIS IS HOW WE TRACK EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. ONE COPY IS LEFT WITH THE ENCAMPMENT. IF THERE'S INDIVIDUALS PRESENT, WE HAND THAT TO THEM. IF THERE IS NOBODY PRESENT WE TAPE IT TO THE TENT OR STRUCTURE OR WHATEVER IT IS AND TAKE A PICTURE AND DOCUMENT WE WERE THERE. AND THIS IS INSERTED INTO THE SYSTEM. INITIAL INDPAJ -- ENGAGEMENT IS DONE BY FAMILY SERVICE COORDINATOR. THEY INFORM AND OFFER SERVICES. PROVIDE STORAGE, AND WE'RE WORKING ON THAT FOR REQUEST FOR STORAGE FOR INDIVIDUALS. WE INGIJ GAUGE IF THEY NEED ACS THEY CONTACT ALBUQUERQUE COMMUNITY SAFETY. IF APD IS NEEDED THEY CONTACT APD. IF METRO SECURITY, THEN SECURITY. IF IT'S AT A PARK WE WORK WITH THE PARKS. ALBUQUERQUE COMMUNITY SAFETY CAN BE TRANSPORTED TO ADDITIONAL SERVICES OR OTHER PROVIDERS. OR ADDITIONAL INTERVENTIONS IF NECESSARY. APD AND METRO SECURITY, THEY CAN ADDRESS IT IN A SIMILAR ACTIVITY, PROVIDE IF ENFORCEMENT. APD CAN PROVIDE THAT ENFORCEMENT. AND THEY CAN PROVIDE PROTECTION FOR OUTREACH PROVIDERS IF NECESSARY, OR IF WE'RE CLEANING AN ENCAMPMENT AND THERE'S HOSTILE INDIVIDUALS THEY CAN HELP US PROVIDE PROTECTION. ALBUQUERQUE FIRE AND RESCUE IS ENGAGED IF THERE'S FIRES. WHICH WE DO SEE A LOT DURING THE WINTERTIME. THEY CAN GO AND ADDRESS THOSE. THEY CAN PROVIDE MEDICAL ASSISTANCE AND REMOVE NEEDLES IF NECESSARY. THESE ARE ENCAMPMENTS ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. ALBUQUERQUE COMMUNITY SAFETY IS THEY HAVE TWO RESPONDERS DEDICATED FOR UNSHELTERED INDIVIDUALS. THEY HAVE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH RESPONDERS WHEN THERE'S A CRISIS OCCURRING. THEY DON'T ASSESS. A COUPLE THINGS TO UNDERSTAND IS THEY'LL MAKE CONTACT AT INITIAL ENGAGEMENT IF REQUESTED. IT'S ALWAYS FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES PROVIDERS THAT GO FIRST. IF WE NEED TO ACCESS OR ENGAGE ACS THEN WE DO. PRIOR TO THE REMOVAL OF THE 72 HOURS, IF WE FEEL LIKE THOSE PEOPLE NEED MORE ATTENTION WE REFER THAT TO ACS AND THEY MAKE ADDITIONAL CONTACT. ASSESS BASIC NEEDS AND PROVIDE REFERRALS AND ENGAGE RESIDENTS. THEY WANT TO INDPAJ THEM BEFORE ANY ENFORCEMENT IS NECESSARY. THEY'RE THERE TO OFFER AS MUCH HELP AS POSSIBLE. ACS DOES NOT PROVIDE FORMAL NOTICES AND DON'T PARTICIPATE IN THE REMOVAL OF ENCAMPMENTS. THEY DO PROVIDE NOTICE LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THEY'RE IN VIOLATION TO POLICY AND A NOTICE COULD BE GIVEN OR WILL BE GIVEN. AGAIN THE PREFERRED METHOD FOR THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS IS 311. SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT WILL BE ENGAGED AT THAT TIME AND ACS DOES NOT PLAY A ROLE IN ENFORCEMENT OR IN THE REMOVAL OF THE ENCAMPMENT. THAT'S DONE BY SOLID WASTE. NEXT SLIDE. WHAT IS SOLID WASTE'S ROLE? WE RECEIVE THE 311 OR THE EMAILS, OR COUNCIL, WE WORK WITH FCS TO COORDINATE OUTREACH AND WORK TOGETHER TO PRIORITIZE CLEAN UPS EVERY WEEK. AN INTERNAL GROUP THAT MEETS MONDAY, WEDNESDAY, AND FRIDAY. ON MONDAY WE HAVE EVERYONE INVOLVED. -- METRO DEVELOPMENT, RIO GRANDE CONSERVANCY, AFD AND AFR AND BERNALILLO COUNTY METRO SECURITY. AT THIS MEETING WE LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE AND ASSESS WHAT'S NEEDED. AT THE MONDAY MEETING WE HAVE PEOPLE BRING THINGS TO US OR TELL APD THERE'S AN ENCAMPMENT AND 72 NOTICE, LET US KNOW IF THEY'RE THERE. IF THERE'S NOBODY THERE, IT'S A CLEAN UP WE CAN SEND SOLID WASTE. CLEAN UP ARE SCHEDULED AND COMPLETED WEEKLY. ON WEDNESDAY AND FRIDAY THOSE ARE DONE ON AS-NEEDED. ON MONDAY WE ALL MEET TOGETHER. BASED ON THAT MEETING WE DECIDE WE NEED PEOPLE ON WEDNESDAY OR FRIDAY TO SEE WHAT ENCAMPMENTS WE'RE DOING. NEXT SLIDE. AT A CLEAN UP ALL TRASH AND IMMEDIATE AREAS IS REMOVED ASK DISPOSED. WE HAVE TWO SUPERVISORS AND 11 CREW MEMBERS. THAT INCREASED TO 4 SUPERVISORS AND MORE CREW MEMBERS. WE'RE PENDING TEN POSITIONS. WE'VE ORDERED TRUCKS AND -- THAT AREN'T HERE YET. WE CAN'T BRING THE STAFF UNTIL WE HAVE VEHICLES TO TRANSPORT THEM. WE HAVE THREE ENCAMPMENT CREW AND FOUR CLEAN UP CREWS. WE USE THOSE TO ADDRESS IT THROUGHOUT THE CITY. ADDITIONAL OUTREACH IS OFFERED BY FCS OR IF ACS IS NEEDED WE ENGAGE THEM. THEY DETERMINE THE AVAILABILITY OF BEDS, OFFER SNACKS, AND ANYTHING THEY NEED. THEY CAN CONTACT OTHER AGENCY AS NEEDED. WE KEEP ALL RECORDS THROUGH VIEW WORKS OF ANY 311 OR ANYTHING WE ADDRESS. NUMBER OF ENCAMPMENTS, TIME, VEHICLES, PHOTOS BEFORE AND AFTER, PERSONNEL COSTS, RESIDENT CONTACT. NEXT SLIDE. THAT'S FOR PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAYS. WHEN IT COMES TO PARKS, PARKS AND RECREATION WORKS HAND AND HAND WITH US AND THEY HAVE CLEAN UP CREWS. AND THEY TOOK A PROACTIVE APPROACH AND MEET WITH US. IT'S A JOINT EFFORT BETWEEN US AND FCS. ENCAMPMENTS IN A PARK WE HAVE TO SEND OUT. REACH COORDINATOR FROM FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES TO ENGAGE THEM. ALSO TO PROVIDE NOTICE. SOME PARKS ARE CLEANED IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED OR DEEMED IMMEDIATE HAZARDS. OTHERS SCHEDULED WITHIN 24 HOURS BASED ON AVAILABILITY OF STAFF AND OUT. REACH PROVIDERS. THEY ALSO HAVE A LIST OF PARKS THAT WE CONSIDER HOT SPOTS THAT WE CHECK ON A DAILY BASIS OR EVERY OTHER DAY. THEY ADDRESS THEM IF THEY CAN, IF THEY NEED ADDITIONAL RESOURCES THEY ENGAGE SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT TO WORK WITH THEM TO GET IT ADDRESSES. THIS IS ALL SET UP THROUGH THE MONDAY MEETING. PARKS AND REC WORKS WITH APD AND METRO SECURITY TO REMOVE ENCAMPMENTS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN ADDRESSED. THEY ADDRESS BIKE TRAILS, AND ANY OPEN SPACE AREA. THEY HAVE PROACTIVE APPROACH ADDING GATES, FENCES, LIGHTS AND FASTER RESPONSE AND SHORTER NOTICES SO CAMPS DON'T GET BIGGER. THEY DO PARK PATROLS STARTING TO DESIGN AND PROGRAM FOR THE PARKS THAT ARE TAMPERPROOF CAGES FOR CONTROLS AND IRRIGATION. AND LIMIT SHELTER AND PARK ACTIVATION AND FEATURE PROGRAMMING. CITATIONS FOR VANDALLISM ARE DONE THROUGH APD IN CONJUNCTION WITH PARKS AND REC. NOW, WE'LL TALK ABOUT ENCAMPMENTS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. AN ENCAMPMENT IS ON A PRIVATE PROPERTY WE MUST ENGAGE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO SEND OUT CODE ENFORCEMENT. ONCE THE CODE ENFORCERS GO OUT THEY CONTACT THE APPROPRIATE OWNER TO CLEAN IT UP OR ADDRESS THE PROBLEM. LET THEM KNOW IF THEY NEED NO PRES PASSING SIGN. OR IF IT'S A SUBSTANDARD DWELLING THEY WANT TO TAG IT AS SUBSTANDARD AND UNSAFE TO OCCUPY. WHENEVER THERE'S WEEDS OR ANYTHING THAT REQUIRES WORK, IF THEY NOTIFY THE OWNER AND THEY CAN'T GET A HOLD OF THE OWNER THEY ENGAGE SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT DEPARTMENT AND WE DO WHAT'S CALLED A CLEAN AND LEAN AND PUT A LEAN ON THE PROPERTY FOR THE COST. NEXT SLIDE. THESE ENCAMPMENTS CAN'T BE ON PROPERTY BECAUSE OF IDO. YOU CAN READ THE DEFINITION OF WHAT IT IS. WHEN TENTS AND VEHICLES ARE ERECTED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY NOT ALLOWED BY IDO KOEZ ENFORCERS ADDRESS THAT AND LET THEM KNOW THEY'RE IN VIOLATION AND THEY CAN IF I KNOW. APD ASSISTS WITH REMOVING ENCAMPMENTS. WE ALSO DO BOARD-UPS. IF A BUILDING NEEDS TO BE BOARDED UP AND WE'LL BOARD IT UP AND THE LEAN WILL BE PUT ON THE PROPERTY. NEXT SLIDE. AFR -- NEXT SLIDE. THAT'S THE SAME SLIDE. APOLOGIZE. I HAD ADDITIONAL SLIDES. AFR HAS ADAPT PROGRAM. AND AFR DISPATCHES AND RESPONDS TO ALL REPORTS OF FIRES. AND MAKE SURE ALL LAWS AND ORDINANCE ARE ENFORCED AND HAVE A PHONE NUMBER FOR CURRENT BURNING AREAS WHERE YOU MAY SEE AN ENCAMPMENT WITH A FIRE YOU CONTACT THEM. THEY HAND OUT FLIERS TO INFORM THOSE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS OF THE RESTRICTIONS. BUT THEY'RE ENGAGED AT ANY MOMENT WHEN WE NEED MEDICAL ATTENTION. EITHER DURING THE CLEANING OR ASSESSMENT OF THE ENCAMPMENT WE ENGAGE AFR AND THEY'RE PART OF THE MEETINGS. THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS APD CAN BE ENGAGEMENT AT ANY TIME WHENEVER WE NEED THEM. IT'S BASED ON POLICY AND THE FACT THAT I SAID ABOUT SAFETY AND THOSE THINGS. WHAT THEY'LL DO IS RESPOND FOR CALLS OF SERVICE RELATED TO ENCAMPMENTS AND ARRIVE AND CONFIRM ENCAMPMENTS. WE ASK THEM TO LOOK AT AN AREA IT IF THERE'S AN ENCAMPMENT OR JUST STUFF LEFT THERE. THEY CAN CONTACT INDIVIDUALS PRESENT, IDENTIFY VIOLATION OF LAWS. ERECTION OF A STRUCTURE WITHOUT THE MAYOR'S CONSENT. PUBLIC NUISANCE OR ANY OTHER CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. THEY CAN IDENTIFY INDIVIDUALS SUSPECTED OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, CONFIRM WARRANTS, THEY CAN TAKE ENFORCEMENT IF WARRANTED. THEY ALSO CAN OFFER RESOURCES, AND THEY ALSO CALL OUT SOLID WASTE OR THE ENCAMPMENT TEAM FOR CLEAN-UPS NEEDED. OR INFORM US AT THE MONDAY MEETING AND WE ALWAYS HAVE APD AT THE MONDAY WEDNESDAY AND FRIDAY MEETING. WE HAVE AREA COMMANDERS TO ADDRESS THE ENCAMPMENTS. WE HAVE THE SAME ENCAMPMENTS THEY SEE WE LIKE TO CONFIRM. IF MEDICAL CONDITIONS ARE IDENTIFIED AFR CAN BE CALLED. IF A LOCATION HAS RECURRING PROBLEMS THEY CAN DO PERIODIC COCHS IN THE AREA SO THOSE ENCAMPMENTS DON'T GROW OR MOVE THEM OUT OF THE AREA. THAT'S IT. I HOPE I DIDN'T GO TOO FAST. >>COUN. BENTON: GOOD JOB DIRECTOR. THAT WAS A LOT. WE'LL GET STARTED WITH QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILORS. COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. DIRECTOR, HOW MANY CURRENTLY ARE ON THE MASTER LIST? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, I'D HAVE TO GET THAT NUMBER FOR YOU. THE LIST GETS BIG BECAUSE WE MAY HAVE -- YOU CAN HAVE UP TO TEN CALLS FOR ONE AREA. WHEN IT COMES TO 311 THEY PRIORITIZE THEM THE SAME. WHEN WE GET THEM WE MAKE SURE WE COMBINE THEM AND MAKE SURE IF WE HAVE TEN CALL FOR ONE LOCATION WE MAKE THAT ONE LOCATION AS PART OF THE MASTER LIST. AND THEY'RE PRIORITIZED BASED UPON HOW WE ASSESS THEM. IF IT'S LEVEL ONE, LEVEL TWO, OR LEVEL THREE. THE THING ABOUT THAT IS, MY GUYS CAN COME IN THE MORNING AND WE HAVE A LIST OF ENCAMPMENTS WE NEED TO CLEAN. MAYBE THEY'RE COMING UP ON THE 72 HOUR NOTICE. AND THEY MAY BE PRIORITY TWO. BUT WE MAY HAVE GOTTEN FOUR OR FIVE PRIORITY ONES THAT SHOOT TO THE TOP OF THE LIST. >>COUN. LEWIS: YOU HAVE A MASTER LIST. DO YOU KEEP THAT MASTER LIST? >> WE HAVE. >>COUN. LEWIS: IS THERE ANOTHER LIST, OR DO YOU HAVE A MASTER LIST? >> EVERYTHING FUNNELS THROUGH SOLID WASTE. PARKS AND RECREATION HAS A LIST OF HOW THEY ADDRESS THEIR LIST. >>COUN. LEWIS: EVERYBODY HAS DIFFERENT LISTS? >> NO, EVERYBODY HAS AN INDIVIDUAL LIST. WE DO HAVE A MASTER LIST. >>COUN. LEWIS: WHEN CAN CALL IS MADE -- WHEN A CALL IS MADE, WHO MAKES THE DECISION ON THE PRIORITY? >> COUNCILOR LEWIS, IT COMES INTO 311 AND COMES TO US AND FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES. >>COUN. LEWIS: IT GOES TO YOUR DEPARTMENT? >> MOST OF THEM DO. UNLESS IT'S IN A PARK OR TRAIL. THEN IT GOES TO PARKS AND REC. IT GOES TO A DEPARTMENT. WE MEET WITH THEM AND SOMETIMES WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN THAT ON THE LIST. >>COUN. LEWIS: ONES GO TO YOU AND YOU MAKE THE DECISION ON THE 1 2 3? >> THE FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICE OUTREACH PROVIDERS MAKE THE ASSESSMENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: THE ACS. >> FAMILY ASK COMMUNITY SERVICES. >> ALBUQUERQUE SAFETY DOES NOT ASSESS ENCAMPMENTS. THEY OFFICER ASSISTANCE. >>COUN. LEWIS: FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES, THEY'RE THE ONES WHO MAKE THE ASSESSMENT ON THE PRIORITY. AND THEY TELL YOU WHICH PRIORITY IT IS? >> WE CAN MAKE THAT ASSESSMENT WITH THEM. SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT CAN. WE WORK IN CONJUNCTION. THEIR OUT. -- IN THE MORNING WE HAVE ENCAMPMENT CREW AND FCS COORDINATORS WITH US. THEY CAN DRIVE BY AND SAY THERE'S INDIVIDUALS THERE. AND MAKE AN ASSESSMENT WITH ONE OF THE SUPERVISORS. IF THERE'S NOBODY THERE, OUR SUPERVISOR -- >>COUN. LEWIS: HOW LONG DOES THAT TAKE BEFORE THERE'S A RESPONSE? >> COUNCILOR LEWIS, IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE ENCAMPMENT AND WHAT WE HAVE ON OUR LIST. >>COUN. LEWIS: A DAY? A FEW HOURS? >> WE TRY AND ASSESS THEM WITHIN 24 HOURS. SDMRL OKAY. AND . >>COUN. LEWIS: AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT PRIORITY IT IS AND YOU GO FROM THERE. I GUESS, IT'S JUST INTERESTING THAT IT SEEMS LIKE YOUR DEPARTMENT OWNS THIS WHOLE PROCESS. AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF SYMPTOMS. AND YOUR DEPARTMENT HAS DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB. I FIND IT INTERESTING A LOT OF THE OWNERSHIP FALLS ON YOUR DEPARTMENT. >> THE WAY WE HAVE IT DESIGNED SO THE HUB IS US. SO WHAT DOESN'T HAPPEN IS WE GET PEOPLE CALLING ACS AND FCS AND ANOTHER DEPARTMENT AND THEN WE'RE SHOWING UP AT A PARK WHEN PARKS AND REC ALREADY ADDRESSED. >>COUN. LEWIS: I DON'T THINK THAT'S CLEAR. I THINK YOU HAVE FAMILY, YOU HAVE YOU GUYS, YOU HAVE -- IT'S UNCLEAR ABOUT WHO TRULY OWNS CAN MAKING DECISIONS. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S MULTIPLE -- >> I APOLOGIZE. IT IS WITH US WITH FCS. WE WORK IN CONJUNCTION WITH FCS. THE 311 COME IN AND ACTUALLY THE FCS OUT. REACH MANAGER ENTERS INTO MASTER SPREADSHEET AND ONE OF THE SUPERVISORS BECAUSE THEY WORK HAND AND HAND TOGETHER. THEY START THEIR DAY WITH US AND END THEIR DAY WITH US. THEY ARE HOUSED IN OUR CLEAN CITIES. >>COUN. LEWIS: AT WHAT POINT IN THE PROCESS IS A CITATION GIVEN? >> THAT WOULD BE WHENEVER THERE'S NO TRESPASSING AND WE ENGAGE APD AND APD WOULD HAVE TO COME AND DETERMINE IF THERE'S A CITATION TO BE GIVEN BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENFORCEMENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY CITATIONS HAVE BEEN GIVEN? >> THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR APD. WE HAVE ALL OF OUR DIRECTORS HERE. OR A SPOKESPERSON FROM EACH DEPARTMENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: IN THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS HOW MANY CITATIONS HAVE GIVEN FOR ILLEGAL CAMPING. DO YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION? >> I HAVE DEPUTY CHIEF FROM APD COME UP. >>COUN. BENTON: DEPUTY CHIEF BROWN. WELCOME. >> AT THE END OF BALLOON FI CIRCUMSTANCE T ARB -- ABOUT 199 CITATIONS. >>COUN. LEWIS: YOU'VE GIVEN 199 CITATIONS FOR ILLEGAL CAMPING? >> NOT DIRECTLY ILLEGAL CAMPING, THAT'S CRIMINAL TRESPASS, POSSESSION OF DRUGS, AND NUMEROUS FELONY ARRESTS IN THAT SAME TIME. >>COUN. LEWIS: THAT'S SINCE THE END OF BALLOON FIESTA? >> YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY ARE JUST FOR ILLEGAL ENCAMPMENTS. HAVE WE EVER GIVEN A CITATION BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S HAVING AN ENCAMPMENT AND LIVING IN THAT ENCAMPMENT. >> THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF STRUCTURES IN CITY ORDINANCE. THERE'S NOTHING SPECIFICALLY FOR ILLEGAL CAMPING. IT'S ERECTION OF STRUCTURES. THAT'S WHAT WE GO OFF OF. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR BASSAN AND COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU FOR ASKING FOR THIS PRESENTATION. A COUPLE SHORT QUESTIONS. HOW OFTEN -- GENERALLY, HOW OFTEN ARE ENCAMPMENTS IN THE SAME LOCATION. ARE MOST OF THEM STILL THERE? >> SAY THAT AGAIN. >>COUN. BASSAN: IF YOU HAVE A 72 WARNING, WHEN THE FIRST NOTIFICATION COMES IN AND 72 HOURS LATER SOMEONE GOES OUT, HOW OFTEN IS THAT SAME ENCAMPMENT STILL THERE? >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, IT DEPENDS. SOMETIMES THAT'S WHY WE WOULD HAVE USING AFR ON THE MONDAY MEETING. WHEN WE HAVE A 72 NOTICE THAT'S NOT AN IMMEDIATE HAZARD. WE ASK THEM IF SOMEBODY AT THEIR STATION CAN GO BY AND TAKE A PICTURE AND SEND IT TO US. A LOT OF TIMES WHAT HAPPENS IS WITHIN THE 72 HOURS THEY MOVE ON. AND THAT'S WHEN WE SEND A CLEAN UP CREW. WE KNOW WE DON'T SEND ADDITIONAL PROVIDERS OR ENGAGE ACS OR APD. WE ANY WHAT IS LEFT THERE'S TRULLY ILLEGAL DUMPING SO WE CAN SEND A LITTER CREW AS OPPOSED TO NAN CAMPMENT CREWS. THERE ARE TIMES WHEN YOU SHOW UP AND THE 72 HOURS HAS PASSED. SOMETIMES THAT'S WHEN WE'LL HAVE TO ENGAGE APD BECAUSE IT MAY BE TAKING THE STAND THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. BUT, WE MONITOR THAT THROUGH THE THREE DAYS. THAT'S WHY WE REQUEST ALBUQUERQUE COMMUNITY SAFETY TO GO AND DO A SECOND VISIT BECAUSE LIKE THE SLIDE SHOWED THEY REALLY WANT TO ENGAGE WITH THAT COMMUNITY BEFORE ANY ENFORCEMENT HAS TO MAKE PLACE. THEY SAY YOU CAN'T BE HERE AND YOU'RE GIVEN NOTICE AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE COMING. WE TRY TO GO THROUGH EVERY AVENUE BEFORE ENGAGING APD. >>COUN. BASSAN: ALSO HOW OFTEN WHEN YOU GO BACK AFTER THE 72 HOURS, MAYBE THE SAME ENCAMPMENT IS NOT THERE BUT NEARBY, HOW DOES THAT GET TREATED? IF THEY'RE HALF A BLOCK AWAY DOES THAT COUNT AS MOVED? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS NOT ENCAMPED? >> WE LOOK AT IT WITHIN A HALF A BLOCK RADIUS. IF THEY SAY WE'RE GOING TO MOVE RIGHT OVER HERE. THEY'VE BEEN GIVEN NOTICE BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE SAME AREA. THEY NEED TO BE CLEARED OF THAT AREA. THAT GENERAL AREA. THAT'S WHAT TELL THEM. WHETHER IT'S TWO BLOCKS AWAY OR WHENEVER THEY END UP GOING. WE DON'T LET THEM MOVE TEN FEET. THEY NEED TO BE OUT OF THE AREA. THEY CAN'T BE ON THE SIDE WALK. AND WE ALSO LET THEM KNOW, SAY THEY MOVE A BLOCK AWAY, BUT THEY'RE STILL ON THE SIDEWALK YOU ARE AN IMMEDIATE HAZARD BECAUSE YOU'RE GIVEN A 72 HOUR NOTICE AND YOU'VE BEEN TOLD THIS IS A HAZARD AND FROM THAT POINT WE CAN ENGAGE QUICKER. >>COUN. BASSAN: I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. I LIKE TO HEAR THAT. WE'RE TRYING OUR BEST. AND I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN. I APPRECIATE THAT. IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S BECOMING MORE OF A COMMON SENSE APPROACH WHILE TRYING TO FIND THAT BALANCE. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, TO YOU DIRECTOR, AND THE OTHER DIRECTORS WHO I DO EMAIL. COUNCILOR LEWIS, PART OF WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING, THAT'S WHY WHEN I REACH OUT ABOUT A PARTICULAR ENCAMPMENT, I DON'T KNOW NECESSARILY WHAT PART OF THE PROCESS BUT I'VE HEARD AND LEARNED ABOUT IT ENOUGH THAT I MAKE SURE TO COPY ALL OF THE DIRECTORS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE WITH THAT, IT IS SOMETHING THAT AND FEEL LIKE WE'RE SEEING RESULTS. AT LEAST THE ONES I END UP REACHING OUT ABOUT, I'M SEEING RESULTS. I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE AND CONSISTENCY WITH THAT. >>COUN. BENTON: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. DIRECTOR, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WORKING ON THIS. AND PUTTING IT TOGETHER. I HAVE THREE QUESTIONS AND A COMMENT. IT SHOULD BE QUICK. FIRST QUESTION IS 311. HOW IS OUR ACCESS TO 311 RIGHT NOW? DO WE HAVE THAT OPERATIONAL 24-7? LIKE IT WAS IN THE PAST. OR IS THERE A CERTAIN HOUR WE CAN CALL 311 AND GET HELP? >> COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, AS OF RIGHT NOW, 311 THROUGH A PHONE CALL DIALLING 311 IS MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY FROM 6 A.M. TO 9 P.M., AND SUNDAY 9 P.M. TO 6 P.M. THAT'S THROUGH A PHONE CALL. THEY HAVE THE ABQ311 APP TO ACCESS ON THE PHONE ANY TIME AND ENTER THE INFORMATION AND IT KNOWS STRAIGHT TO THEIR SYSTEM AND THE VERY NEXT DAY THEY GET SENT TO WHERE THEY NEED TO BE. IF YOU REPORT AN ENCAMPMENT AT 11 O'CLOCK. IF THEY COME IN AT SIX, THEY ADDRESS IT THROUGH THE SYSTEM. THROUGH THAT 311 APP, IT DOES DISPATCH TO DEPARTMENTS. WE DO GET AN EMAIL FROM THE APP THAT TELLS US WHAT WAS THERE. AND FOR THOSE THAT DON'T HAVE THE APP, IF YOU A COMPUTER, YOU CAN GO TO CABQ.GOV/HOW CAN WE HELP AND REPORT IT ANY TIME. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. ANOTHER QUESTION, IT FALLS ALONG WITH COUNCILOR BASSAN'S AND ALSO COUNCILOR LEWIS'S IDEA AS TO HOW THE ENCAMPMENT WORKS IN TERMS OF THE CLEAN UP AND MOVING IT OVER. IS THERE ANY SIGNAGE THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY INCORPATE TO MAKE SURE THESE INDIVIDUALS KNOW THEY CAN'T REACCESS THIS LOCATION, WHETHER IT'S PUBLIC OR PRIVATE, BASED ON THE FACT WE'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE? SOME SORT OF SIGNAGE THAT CAN BE PUT ON A BUILDING OR EVEN ON A PARK OR LOCATION THAT MEANS IF SOMEBODY ELSE COMES BACK AROUND, MAYBE YOU CAN MAKE IT MORE IMMEDIATE INSTEAD OF WAIT ANOTHER 72 HOURS IF YOU HAVE A WHOLE NEW PERSON SETTING UP ENCAMPMENT. THAT SEEMS TO BE EXPEDITING YOUR ABILITY TO GET THERE. >> COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, WE DON'T HAVE AN ACTUAL SIGN THAT WE USE, BUT NMDOT PUTS THEIR SIGNS WHEN IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. WE TELL THE OWNERS THEY HAVE TO PUT UP NO TRESPASSING. AND WHEN IT COMES TO PARKS WE HAVE DIFFERENT SIGNAGES DEPENDING IF THERE'S CHILDREN'S PROGRAMMING AND WHAT IT'S USED FOR DURING THE DAY. THEY ADDRESS THEM A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. I KNOW THEY HAVE SIGNS THAT TALK ABOUT WHEN THEY'RE OPENED AND CLOSED. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED MORE INFORMATION. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I'M CONFUSED. IF THERE'S AN ENCAMPMENT AND YOU CLEAR IT OUT, AND THREE DAYS LATER THERE'S ANOTHER ENCAMPMENT AND IT'S A DIFFERENT PERSON, OR YOU CLEAR THAT ONE OUT AND THERE'S ANOTHER ENCAMPMENT AND IT JUST KEEPS HAPPENING HOW ARE YOU ADDRESSING THE SITUATION SO WE DON'T HAVE ENCAMPMENT KEEP HAPPENING AT THE SAME LOCATION EVERY TWO OR THREE DAYS? >> COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, WE DON'T HAVE AN ACTUAL SIGN THAT SAYS ONCE WE CLEAR AN ENCAMPMENT YOU CAN'T CAMP HERE. IF WE DID THAT THERE WILL BE A LOT OF THEM ALL OVER THE CITY. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: DOES LEGAL HAVE AN IDEA ON HOW WE CAN ADDRESS THAT? SO WE DON'T HAVE IT HAPPENING OVER AND OVER? AND SOMEBODY JUST KEEPS MOVING INTO THE SAME SPOT. >> COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, THERE IS AT LEAST SOME NOTICE REQUIREMENT. IT'S UNCLEAR WHAT THAT REQUIREMENT IS. THE NOTICE WOULDN'T TRANSFER. IF YOU PROVIDE NOTICE TO ONE PERSON CAMPING AND THE CITY HAS CHOSEN 72 HOURS, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE NEXT PERSON WHO COMES HAS SOME KIND OF NOTICE. YOU STILL PROVIDE NOTICE TO THE NEXT PERSON. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. AND NOW THE LAST QUESTION THAT I HAVE. I'VE BEEN CONTACTED RECENTLY BY DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE TOLD ME THAT THEY REPORTED ENCAMPMENTS OR DRUG DEALING OR SOMETHING RELATED TO HOMELESSNESS AND IT'S MOSTLY CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. THEY'RE AT THEIR PLACE OR BUSINESS, AND WHAT HAPPENS NEXT IS THEY'RE HIT WITH A CODE VIOLATION. THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'VE MADE THE PHONE CALL WHEN THEY NEED HELP AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE HIT WITH A CODE VIOLATION FROM THE CITY. IT ALMOST FEELS LIKE RETALIATION TO THE VIMMINGS -- INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE CALLING IN THE ILLEGAL ACTIVITY ON THE PREMISES. >> WE DO HAVE SOMEBODY FROM PLANNING AS WELL AS APD TO ADDRESS THAT QUESTION. LIKE I SAID, WE DON'T HAVE ENFORCEMENT CAPABILITIES. WE JUST ASSESS ENCAMPMENTS. IF WE SEE ILLEGAL ACTIVITY WE ENGAGE APD AND HAVE ENCAMPMENTS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE WARRANTS AND THEY'VE BEEN ARRESTED. THEY HAVE GOTTEN CITATIONS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: MAYBE I WASN'T CLEAR. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CODE SIDE. IF SOMEONE COMES IN, AND YOU CALL THE CODE TEAM OUT IN REFERENCE TO A PRIVATE ENCAMPMENT OR ENCAMPMENT HAPPENING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS INDIVIDUAL CALLSES THE 311 AND REPORTS THE PRIVATE ENCAMPMENT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE CITY SEES A CODE VIOLATION AND TAGS THEM WITH THAT. AND NOW THEY'RE FEELING LIKE WE JUST CALLED THE POLICE BECAUSE WE REPORTED CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, AND NOW WE'RE GETTING HIT WITH A CODE VIOLATION. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITIZENS AREN'T EXPERIENCING THAT ON A PRIVATE PROPERTY. MAYBE SOME SORT OF WARNING, OR OTHER WAY TO DEAL WITH THAT. >> COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, GENERALLY WHAT WE DO IS IF WE GET A CALL ON THE PROPERTY WHERE THERE'S ENCAMPMENT THE CITY DOES NEED TO NOTIFY THE OWNER. BUT IT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO KEEP IT CLEAN. IN AN INSTANCE LIKE THIS IS WEP WHEN WE CONTACT US, NOW WE NOTIFIED YOU, PLEASE PUT UP THE SIGNS. IF YOU DON'T FEEL SAFE, GIVE US PERMISSION AND WE'LL WORK WITH APD AND SOLID WASTE TO GET IT CLEANED. IF IT'S NECESSARY TO GET A REAR LOADER THEY'LL TAKE ONE FOR US. AND WE CAN GET THAT CLEANED UP. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP, BY THE WAY. ANY TIME I'VE NEEDED SOME HELP IN MY DIRECT, HE'S BEEN THERE TO HELP ME OUT. I APPRECIATE YOUR HELP. IF YOU CAN MAKE SURE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE RETALIATION TO THE INDIVIDUAL. AS LONG AS YOU'RE MAKING CONTACT AND AS LONG AS WE CONTINUE TO MAKE CONTACT AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, THEN AT THAT POINT I FEEL OKAY WITH THAT. AND NOW THE LAST COMMENT, ALONG THE LINES OF SAYING THANK YOU. I NOTICED MY SOUTHWEST PRT TEAM THAT HELPED ME AND COUNCILOR PEÑA A LOT. I JUST WANT TO SAY A QUICK SHOUT OUT TO SERGEANT LUJAN AND HIS GROUP. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BENTON: QUESTION FROM COUNCILOR BASSAN. OR -- LET'S SEE YOU GOT YOURS. COUNCILOR GROUT FOLLOWED BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE OVERNIGHT PARKING. NEAR THE COMMUNITY CENTERS AND PARKS. IS THERE ANY OVERNIGHT PARKING ALLOWED? >> COUNCILOR GROUT, I CAN HAVE PLANNING COME UP OR PARKS AND REC ADDRESS THAT QUESTION. I KNOW PARKS ARE CLOSED AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE, IF I'M CORRECT, THE PARKING AREA. IF THE PARK IS CLOSED YOU SHOULDN'T BE IN THE PARKING AREA. DIRECTOR SIMON CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS. COUNCILOR GROUT, WHEN IT COMES TO COMMUNITY CENTERS, WHICH OF COURSE FAMILY AND COMMUNITY DEPARTMENT, THOSE PARKING LOTS ARE CLOSED AT NIGHT AND NO PARKING IS PERMITTED. IN OTHER CASES WHERE THERE ARE PARKING LOTS, WE TRY TO CLOSE GATES WHERE WE HAVE THEM. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, A FOLLOW UP TO THAT. HOW MANY PARKS AND OPEN SPACE TRAILS HAVE GATES? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, I THINK WE HAVE A LITTLE UNDER 50 SITES THAT HAVE GATES. >>COUN. GROUT: AND WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CLOSING THOSE? >> COUNCILOR, IT'S A MIX OF RESPONSIBILITYS. WE TRY USE THE RIGHT TOOL FOR THE SITUATION. IT DEPENDS ON THE LOCATION. WHEN IT COMES TO CLOSING GATES WE RELY ON A WIDE MULTITUDE OF PARTNERS. OUR GSD METRO SECURITY CLOSES SOME GATES. FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES CLOSES SOME GATES. OUR PARK MANAGEMENT STAFF CLOSE GATES. OUR OUR OPEN SPACE STAFF CLOSES GATES. AND APD CLOSES GATES. OUR PARTNERS AT ALBUQUERQUE PUBLIC SCHOOLS CLOSE GATES FOR US. AND A FEW CASES, WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS HELPING US OUT AND ANOTHER SMALL SET WE HAVE ACTUALLY AUTOMATIC GATES. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >>COUN. BENTON: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WANTED TO START WITH A THANK YOU TO THE DIRECTORS OF ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS WORK ON ENCAMPMENTS. I SPOKE TO FOLKS NAN ENCAMPMENT DOWN FROM MY HOUSE. EVEN THOUGH THEY SAID THEY WERE BEING SERVED AND MOVED ALONG THEY WERE TREATED WITH RESPECT AND KINDNESS. I THANK EVERYONE FOR MAKING THAT HAPPEN. A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU. IF SOMEBODY USES THE 311 APP AND PUTS A REQUEST FOR DACAMPMENT, AND IT'S A PRIORITY THREE, WHAT TIME SHOULD THEY EXPECT DURING THE TIME THEY FILE THE REPORT UNTIL THEY SEE SOMEBODY OUT AT THE PROPERTY? THAT A QUESTION WE GET A LOT AND I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THEM A GOOD -- IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ANYONE IN BLANK AMOUNT OF TIME WE SHOULD REPORT IT AGAIN. WHAT'S THE AVERAGE TURNAROUND? >> COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOUR OUTREACH PROVIDERS. WE HAVE FIVE. IF THERE ARE INDIVIDUALS AT THE SITE, THEY TRY TO MAKE CONTACT AS SOON AS THEY CAN. IF THERE'S NO INDIVIDUALS THERE, THAT ONE IS QUICKER BECAUSE THAT SOLID WASTE CREWS CAN GO. WE TRY TO GET THE NOTICE OUT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. IT REALLY IS BASED ON HOW MANY 3 IS 1 WE GET. IF THERE ARE A LOT OF 311 WE GET TO THEM BASED ON HOW THEY'RE RECEIVED AND WHAT THE AREA IS. IT'S NOT BASED ON IF THIS ONE HAS 15 CALLS AND THIS ONE HAS 1 CALL. WHEN THEY COME IN WE GROUP THEM BY CALLS. WE TRY TO GET TO THEM AS THEY COME IN AND TRY TO GET EYES ON THEM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THAT'S WHY THE MONDAY COORDINATION MEETING IS VERY IMPORTANT. A LOT OF THE DEPARTMENTS AND AREA COMMANDERS CAN TELL US, THIS ENCAMPMENT IS REALLY BAD. WE'LL KNOW RIGHT AWAY. WE'LL GO AND BE A LEVEL ONE BECAUSE THEY ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT AN IMMEDIATE HAZARD LEVEL ONE IS. THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT A LEVEL TWO IS. AND WE SEND OUT EMAILS TO OTHER AREAS TO SAY GO LOCK AT THIS. WE HAVE SO MANY DEPARTMENTS ESPECIALLY WITH AFR AND APD, WE USE THEM AS EYES AND EARS. THAT'S WHY WE MEET EVERY WEEK TO SEE WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. I THINK IT'S A GOOD APPROACH SO WE CAN SEPPED -- SEND OUT. REACH. THAT'S WHY SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT AND FCS ARE THE ONLY TWO DEPARTMENTS THAT GIVE THE NOTICES SO WE KEEP IT ALL AND TRACK EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: IF SOMEBODY PUTS IN A LEVEL THREE REPORT AND THEY DON'T SEE ANYBODY AT THE SITE FOR FIVE DAYS, SHOULD THEY KNOW YOU'RE STILL COMING. OR SHOULD THEY BE WORRIED THAT THE REPORT HASN'T BEEN PROCESSED? I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG TO TELL THEM TO WAIT BEFORE THEY COMPLAIN AGAIN. >> BECAUSE WE DO GIVE A 72-HOUR NOTICE I ASK WE GET THAT AMOUNT OF TIME. WE TRY TO GET SOMEBODY TO PUT EYES WITHIN 24 HOURS. WHETHER IT'S ANOTHER DEPARTMENT OR ONE OF OUR HIGHWAY CREWS OR SOMEBODY WE HAVE IN THE FIELD TO TRY AND LOOK AT IT SO WE GET A PRELIM -- PRELIMINARY ASSESSMENT. IF THEY HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING FOR 24 TO 48 HOURS THEY SHOULD PUT ANOTHER ONE IN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THAT'S HELPFUL. >>COUN. BENTON: I HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE COUNCILOR LEWIS HAS A FOLLOW UP. THIS BUSINESS OF NO TRESPASSING SIGNS, I'VE HEARD IT DIFFERENT WAYS. AND MAYBE IT'S A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY OR APD. I'VE HEARD IT DIFFERENT WAYS. I'VE HEARD IT SAID THAT POLICE CANNOT ENTER PRIVATE PROPERTY UNLESS THERE'S NO TRESPASSING SIGN. AND I'VE HEARD THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE. I SEE DC -- BROWN COMING THROUGH. I'M SURE HE'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE REQUIREMENTS. >> MR. PRESIDENT, JUST SO I'M CLEAR ON THE QUESTION. THE QUESTION IS ESSENTIALLY THAT WE CAN'T ENTER PRIVATE PROPERTY OR REMOVE SOMEONE UNLESS THERE'S A SIGN. THAT'S A FALSEHOOD. WHAT WE'VE TOLD THE OFFICERS, IF SOMEBODY CALLS AND ASKS FOR ASSISTANCE AND IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY OUR OFFICERS WILL TAKE ENFORCEMENT. THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO STAY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AT ALL. THEY CAN EITHER BE CRIMINALLY TRESPASSED AND SIITATED IF THERE'S A VIOLATION OF LAW. THEY CAN BE TAKEN TO JAIL. WE WOULD NEVER LEAVE SOMEBODY ON SOMEBODY'S PRIVATE PROPERTY. WE WORKED REALLY HARD ON THIS. IF THEY'RE ASKING FOR HELP, AND IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO YOUR PROPERTY. >>COUN. BENTON: SO THE SIGN IS HELPFUL? >> IT'S HELPFUL IF THE OWNER IS NOT THERE. WE REACH OUT TO PROPERTY OWNERS, AND GETTING THE SIGN NL. LOT OF IT IS, THESE CALLS COME IN A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS. WE HAVE A CALL FOR SERVICE OR GET FLAGGED DOWN AND GET CONSTITUENT SERVICE CALLS. IF THAT PERSON CALLS IN AND THEY DON'T HAVE A SIGN, IT'S A RESIDENCE. A LOT OF RESIDENCE DON'T HAVE NO-TRESPASSING SIGN. MINE DON'T HAVE ONE. BUT IF IT'S A BUSINESS, MOST OF THEM DO. IF IT'S A BUSINESS, PRIVATE PROPERTY, THE LOT AND IF THERE'S NOTHING THERE AND WE CAN'T CONTACT AN OWNER, IT'S HARD WITHOUT THE ACTUAL OWNER BEING PRESENT ON THOSE INSTANCES. THERE ARE TIMES WE WORKED IN THE SOUTHEAST. I KNOW COMMANDER WHEELER IS HERE, AND THEY WORK WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITIES TO GET THE SIGNAGE UP. AND THEY GOT THE BUY IN FROM THE COMMUNITY, IF YOU HAVE THESE UP HERE AND WE CAN PROSECUTE WE CAN TAKE ENFORCEMENT ON THAT SIDE. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU. ANOTHER QUESTION HAS TO DO, THIS CAME UP RECENTLY WITH A CONSTITUENT AND ACTUALLY RESIDENT OFFENSE -- OF DISTRICT TWO WITH REGARD TO ALLEYS. IT'S A BUSINESS OWNER WITH AN ALLEY BEHIND HIS BUSINESS. AND SOMEBODY IS CAMPING BACK THERE. THEY'RE MAKING REGULAR REPORTS. AND WHAT GOVERNS THAT CAMPING IN AN ALLEY? >> THAT WOULD BE THE SAME AS PUBLIC PROPERTY. THAT IS THE ENCAMPMENT PROTOCOLS THAT DIRECTOR AND SOLID WASTE FOLLOWS. THAT COMES THROUGH THE 311 AND GET DIVVIED OUT THROUGH THERE. AND APD LOOKS AT THAT AS ERECTION OF STRUCTURES OR OTHER CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. >>COUN. BENTON: IT'S AN OBINSTRUCTION OF RIGHT OF WAY? >> YES. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR LEWIS HAD A QUESTION AND WE'LL GET TO YOU, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. I THINK THAT'S MY -- LET ME MAKE SURE -- I TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH PARKS AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS MORE IN THE FUTURE. I KNOW THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT CERTAIN PARKS HOURS HAVE BEEN LIMITED. AND THE OTHERS ARE STILL THE SAME AS THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN. WHICH IS 10 P.M. TO 6 A.M. IS THERE -- I'M SURE THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF WHICH ONES HAVE THOSE HOURS AND WHICH HAVE THE LIMITED HOURS? >> I APOLOGIZE -- >>COUN. BENTON: THE PARKS HOURS. I KNOW PARKS HAS THEIR OWN PORTFOLIO WITH REGARD TO CAMPING. BUT DURING THE HOURS WHEN PARKS ARE CLOSED, THEY'RE NOT ALL THE SAME. SOME OF THEM ARE SHORTER PERIODS OF TIME THAT THEY'RE CLOSED DURING THE EVENING. ARE YOU AND YOUR OFFICERS KEPT APRIZE OF THAT AND UNDERSTAND WHEN AND WHERE YOU COULD GO TO A PARK TO ENFORCE IT BEING CLOSED? >> YES, SIR. THAT'S PART OF THE ENCAMPMENT MEETINGS WE HAVE. RELAYING THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE PARK HOURS CHANGE OR IF SOMETHING HAPPENS AT A DIFFERENT PARK THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN BEFORE. THAT WAY EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME SHEET OF MUSIC AND ALL THE OFFICERS HAVE THE SAME INFORMATION. WE DON'T WANT TO SEND OFFICERS WITH MISINFORMATION. WE GET THAT DIRECTLY FROM PARKS AND REC THEMSELVES. LIKE WHEN THAT PARK'S HOURS ARE CLOSED. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR LEWIS. AND COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, JUST SOME COMMENTS. NOT NECESSARILY FOR MR. WELAND OR DC BROWN. IN MY EXPERIENCE, EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE DONE REALLY GOOD JOB. I THINK IN SOME CERTAIN EXPERIENCES ON THE WEST SIDE, APD IS VERY RESPONSIVE. THEY DO A REALLY GOOD JOB. OFFICERS ARE GREAT. SOLID WASTE CAME ALONG SEVERAL INSTANCES AND ONE GOOD SIZE ENCAMPMENTS AND THE CREWS WERE AWESOME AND DID A GOOD JOB. AND ACS AND FAMILY AND PLANNING WAS INVOLVED IN SOME OF THAT. I GUESS, AND I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION, IT'S A REALLY GOOD PROCESS WE HAVE IN PLACE. MY SUGGESTION WOULD REALLY BE I THINK WHAT'S MISSING, OR COULD BE MISSING, IS A COORDINATION BETWEEN. I THINK THAT'S FALLEN A MORE ON THE DIRECTOR AND HIS DEPARTMENT. AND MAYBE THERE'S A PLACE FOR IT. MAYBE THERE'S A SPECIAL UNIT LIKE THE CITY SAFE STRIKE FORCE THAT HAD A SINGLE PURPOSE AND HAD A RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT. THEY OWNED IT AND THEY COORDINATED WITH THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. I THINK, IN MY EXPERIENCE, THE ISSUE THAT WAS LACKING IS THE COORDINATION BETWEEN ALL OF THEM. WE TALKED TO ACS AND FAMILY AND PLANNING AND APD AND THERE WAS SOME TIMES WHEN IT WAS LACKING AND EVERYBODY HAD DIFFERENT PRIORITIES OR ASSESSES IT DIFFERENTLY. EVERYBODY IS DIFFERENT PART OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING TO JUMP IN. MY SUGGESTION IS WE LOOK AT AN AREA WHERE SOMEONE IS CALLING THE SHOTS. SOMEONE IS ACTUALLY SAYING, I'M FOLLOWING THIS SITUATION ALL THE WAY TO THE SOLUTION TO IT. AND COORDINATING WITH ALL THE DEPARTMENTS TOGETHER. I'M NOT SUGGESTING A NEW DEPARTMENT OR MAYBE EVEN A NEW POSITION. ALTHOUGH THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD -- WELL MIGHT BE CLASSIFIED POSITION FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO HIRE. AT ONE MORE. THERE'S GOT TO BE A SPECIFIC AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY. >> COUNCILOR LEWIS, THANKS FOR THAT COMMENT. JUST TO GIVE AN UPDATE. I DIDN'T TOUCH ON IT. THERE'S A LINE WHERE SOLID WASTE ARE THE HUB WITH FCS. WE HAVE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF CREWS. WE GOT A RATE INCREASE TO BEEF UP THE ENCAMPMENT TEAM. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS CREATE AN ENCAMPMENT DIVISION. WE'LL HAVE AN ENCAMPMENT DIVISION WITHIN THE CLEAN CITY DIVISION. SO THAT DIVISION WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE ENCAMPMENTS. AND THEY'LL BE MORE OF THE CENTRALIZED LOCATION. AND ONCE WE GET THE VEHICLES WE'VE ORDERED AND ONCE WE FILL 14 POSITIONS IT WILL HAVE IT'S OWN DIVISION MANAGER. YOU HAVE SOMEBODY RUNNING THAT DIVISION THAT DOES ALL THE COORDINATING WITH ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS LIKE WE DO ON MONDAY. IT WILL BE MORE DEDICATED. BECAUSE WE'RE USING PEOPLE FROM CLEAN CITIES. THAT CREW WILL HAVE A CENTRAL LOCATION WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED. THERE WILL BE ONE DEDICATED SIX-YARD TRUCK TO EACH QUADRANT OF THE CITY. EVERY MORNING THAT TRUCK WILL BE DISPATCHED TO ADDRESS ANY OF THOSE ON THE QUADRANT. BUT THERE WILL BE AN ADDITIONAL TWO CREWS THAT CAN BE MORE LIKE TRIAGE CREWS FOR IMMEDIATE HAZARDS TO GET TO THE 72-HOUR NOTICES QUICKER AND GIVE NOTICE QUICKER. WE'LL ALSO HAVE ONE EXTRA DREW WORK WITH TRANSIT ON THE ART CORRIDOR. WE HAVE THE POSITIONS CREATED. WE DO HAVE THE FUNDING FOR IT. WE'RE JUST GETTING THE BODIES AND EQUIPMENT TO DO THAT SO WE HAVE A MORE ROBUST APPROACH AND COORDINATED APPROACH. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. I THINK THOSE ARE SOME GREAT IDEAS AND GOOD DIRECTION. MY ONLY HOPE IS WE CAN PAY FOR THAT OUT OF THE BUDGET. I KNOW WE CAN. WE HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY. THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS PLENTY OF MONEY TO FUND THAT. I HOPE THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR TO FUND THAT WITHOUT HAVING TO RAISE RATES FOR THE PEOPLE OF THIS COMMUNITY THAT CAN'T AFFORD ANOTHER DOLLAR EVERY SINGLE MONTHS. I'M SORRY WE HAD TO DO THAT, ACTUALLY, TO THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY. I DON'T THINK WE HAD TO DO THAT. WE DID IT. I THINK ALL THIS COULD BE FULLY FUNDED THROUGH THE MONEY THAT -- THE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS WE'RE COLLECTING. AND PROBABLY NOT SPENDING IT VERY WISELY. I THINK THIS IS A BIG PRIORITY. AND I CERTAINLY SUPPORT FUNDING IT. >>COUN. BENTON: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ AND COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I HAVE A FEW THINGS. ONE IS FOR DEPUTY CHIEF BROWN. AND THE REAP -- REASON I'M ASKING THIS QUESTION IS IT BRINGS ME BACK TO THE DAYS AS AN APD OFFICER. ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID IS ACTUALLY ISSUED A CRIMINAL TRESPASS WARNING IF WE JUST MOVED THE INDIVIDUALS OUT. THAT WARNING WAS DOCUMENTED IN THE DATABASE WITH THE POLICE REPORT SO ANYONE OFFICER CAN REACCESS TO SEE IF THAT INDIVIDUAL HAD ALREADY BEEN WARNED. IF SO, THEY WERE ISSUED A CITATION OR ARRESTED. DO YOU STILL DO THAT PROCESS? >> COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, ABSOLUTELY. THAT'S PART OF OUR PROCESS. WE ISSUE CITATIONS AND MAKING SURE WE START WITH THE CRIMINAL TRESPASS NOTIFICATION. THOSE NOTIFICATIONS ARE GIVEN BOTH TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THE INDIVIDUAL, AND THEY GET ENTERED ON THE DATA SYSTEM. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. AND WHAT'S THE RESULT IF YOU GO BACK AND YOU ENCOUNTER THE SAME PERSON TWICE AT THE SAME LOCATION? >> DEPENDS ON THE TIME. YOU HAVE THE 72-HOUR THING. WE ALSO HAVE -- IF IT'S A PRIVATE BUSINESS, IT GOES FROM CRIMINAL TRESPASS TO A WRITTEN CITATION. IF IT'S THE END OF THE DAY AND THEY DON'T WANT TO LEAVE AND IT'S A LAST-DITCH EFFORT, WHICH IS OUR FINAL THING WE WANT TO DO, THEY GO TO JAIL. SCOMBLZ . >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS ON THE RECORD AND WE'RE STILL INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS. THE LAST QUESTION IS FOR DIRECTOR WELAND. YOU KNOW ME, I JUST WANT ACCOUNTABILITY. I'M JUST ASKING THAT IF YOU KEEP TRACK OF THE DATA BASE, OR HAVE A DATABASE OR SOME SORT OF WAY TO KEEP TRACK OF WHERE THE INDIVIDUALS, WHO HAS BEEN MOVED AND WHAT WAS THE DYNAMICS YOU ENCOUNTERED, AND WHAT YOU DID WITH IT THAT WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO HAVE TOO. >> COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, WE DO TRACK THINGS THROUGH OUR VIEW WORK SYSTEM. IT'S A WALK ORDER SYSTEM. WHENEVER WE DISPATCH A CREW SOMEWHERE WE KNOW WHICH STACH WENT OUT THERE AND WHAT THEY DID AND WHAT IT COST TO CLEAN. IT'S ESPECIALLY HELPFUL WHEN WE DO CLEAN AND LEAN. BECAUSE WE HAVE TO ASSIGN THE COST. WE ENTER INTO THE SYSTEM THE ENCAMPMENTS WE CLEAN. IT'S HARD TO GET INDIVIDUAL'S IDENTIFICATION BECAUSE WE CAN'T REALLY ASK THEM FOR IT. WE TAKE PICTURES OF THE ENCAMPMENTS AND OUR TEAM HAS WORKED ON THIS FOR A WHILE AND THEY'RE GETTING FAMILIAR WITH THE COMMUNITY OUT THERE. WE KNOW KNOW WHO THE FREQUENT FLIERS ARE. AND WE ENGAGE WITH THEM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS, WORKING WITH FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES, IT'S ONE OF THE KEY THINGS. I KNOW THE GENERAL PUBLIC HAS A MINDSET WE JUST COME IN AND SWEEP THEM AND MOVE THEM. OUR GUYS ARE ENGAGING WITH THEM, FAMILY AND SERVICES ARE ENGAGING, AND WE'RE BUILDING THE RAPPORT SO THE TRUST CAN BE BUILT UP SO WE CAN GET THEM INTO HOUSING AND OFF THE STREET. IT'S LOT ABOUT COMMUNICATION AND ABOUT BEING OUT THERE IN THE STREET AND WE DO TRACK ALL THAT STUFF. WE FEEL IT'S A GOOD APPROACH TO GET PEOPLE THE HELP THEY NEED. IF IT IS SOMEBODY WHO IS MENTALLY ILL OR EXPERIENCING MENTAL ILLNESS WE CAN ENGAGE ACS RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE WE KNOW FROM THE FCS PROVIDERS WE KNOW AVENUE OFFERED THEM AND PROVIDED SUPPORT. SO WHEN THEY DECIDE TO GO INTO HOUSING OR GO TO THE SHELTER THEY TRUST ACS AND FCS TO DO THAT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PROTECTOR. >>COUN. BENTON: COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. PEÑA: IT WAS ME, MR. PRESIDENT. THANK YOU. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS, DIRECTOR. IF YOU CAN SEND US A PRESENTATION WITHOUT THE BACKGROUND IN IT. BECAUSE WHEN IT'S SHOWN ON THE SCREEN IT'S COMPLETELY BLACK. IT'S HARD TO READ. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND MAYBE BY THE NEXT MEETING IF YOU CAN PRESENT SOME TYPE OF MRAUSZ -- PROCESS FLOWS CHART. THIS SEEMS CONFUSING. AND IT WOULD HELP THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND ANALYSTS TO KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS IS. I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. AND THEN I DON'T KNOW, I'LL GO TO APD AND SOLID WASTE AND TRANSIT. I KNOW THE LAST BUDGET PROCESS COUNCILOR DAVIS PUT MONEY FOR ADDITIONAL OFFICERS ON CENTRAL. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE STATUS OF THAT IS. AND ALSO ON OUR LAST BUDGET PROCESS WE PUT IN MONEY TO CLEAN THE BUS STOPS AND ADD ADDITIONAL DOLLARS SO THIS WOULD BE TO TRANSIT. AND YOU JUST MENTIONED ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL SOLID WASTE WALKERS -- WORKERS. IF YOU CAN LET US KNOW WHEN THAT STARTS AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. >> I WILL. WE STARTED THAT. WE WENT FROM TWO CREWS TO 20 EMPLOYEES. IT'S ALL DEPENDENT ON GETS -- GETTING EQUIPMENT. WE CAN DEFINITELY PUT TOGETHER A FLOW CHART AND I'LL SEND THE WORD DOCUMENT TO THE POLICY ANALYST. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I APPRECIATE THAT. >>COUN. BENTON: WE'LL MOVE TO COUNCILOR PEÑA. SHE HAS -- OFFICERS TO RECOGNIZE. >>COUN. PEÑA: I'LL KEEP THIS BRIEF. WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THAT. I WANTED TO CALL UP DC BROWN, AND COMMANDER BARAZA, SERGEANT LUJAN. AND MARTIN GARCIA, AND GABE CANDELARIA COULDN'T BE HERE. IF YOU CAN COME TO THE PODIUM, I'D APPRECIATE IT. I DON'T HAVE FORMAL RECOGNITION OR A PRESENTATION, PUT I WANTED TO BRING YOU ALL HERE BECAUSE THESE YOUNG MEN WHO ARE PART OF THE SOUTHWEST AREA COMMAND PROACTIVE RESPONSE TEAM, THESE ARE FROM DISTRICT THREE AND OBVIOUSLY COUNCILOR SANCHEZ'S DISTRICT AS WELL. HAVE DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB WITH SUPPORT OF THE DC AND COMMANDER. THEY'RE ALSO SUPPORT -- RESPONSIBLE FOR THE UP KEEP AND TAKING CARE OF THE LOW RIDER. WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS REMARKABLE IN SOME OF THE AARRESTS THEY HAVE. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ONE IN PARTICULAR. IT WAS IN THE NEWS ABOUT THE LARGEST DRUG ARREST IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. THESE FINE MEN IN FRONT OF US ARE PART OF WHO TOOK OUT 21 FIREARMS THAT WERE RECOVERED, FIVE STOLEN FIREARMS, FOUR SHOTGUNS, SIX HANDGUNS, TWO REVOLVERS, ONE SHORT BARRELGON, 50 MAGAZINES. OVER FIVE ROUNDS -- ONE STOLEN MOTORCYCLE. AND THAT'S DUE TO THESE FINE YOUNG MEN AND LEADERSHIP AT APD. THANK YOU. COMMANDER, IF YOU WANT TO SAY A FEW WORDS. >> OF COURSE. CITY COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, IT'S MY HONOR. THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING THE HARD WORK OF THESE MEN. EVERY DAY WE ANY THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE PUTTING IN COUNTLESS HOURS TO MAKE SURE OUR CITY IS SAFE. I'M HONORED TO BE IN THIS POSITION TO BE THE COMMANDER OF THE SOUTHWEST AREA COMMAND. DUE TO CHIEF OF POLICE MEDINA I WAS ASKED TO OVERTAKE THIS AREA COMMAND. I PUT A GREAT TEAM TOGETHER OF PRACTICAL RESPONSE OFFICERS THAT ARE VERY EXPERIENCED AND MOTIVATED. I'M HONORED TO HAVE THE MEN WORKING UNDER ME. THE SITUATION YOU TALK ABOUT WAS WHEN I TOOK OVER THE SOUTHWEST AREA COMMAND, IDENTIFIED SOME THINGS THAT NEEDED TO OCCUR. AND WANTED TO BUILD ON THE COMMUNITY POLICE STRATEGY TO STRENGTHEN THE PROCESS WITH PROBATION AND PAROLE. IDENTIFIED THAT PROCESS NEEDED TO BE STRENGTHENED BECAUSE IT WAS -- IT MADE NO SENSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO CALL, THE PROBATION OFFICERS WOULD HAVE TO CALL WHEN THEY VISIT ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS THEY MONITOR, THEY CALL OUR COMMUNICATION CENTER TO GET OUR BACK UP. THAT'S TOO MUCH TIME FOR ANYTHING TO HAPPEN TO THOSE MEN AND WOMEN. THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS. SO I GAVE A DIRECT ORDER AND SAID WE NEED TO BUILD THIS PARTNERSHIP. WE NEED TO IDENTIFY THIS AND THIS IS THAT GAP. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE HOME THEY VISITED. NOT ONLY IS THAT ONE OF THE INCIDENTS BUT WE HAD SEVERAL INCIDENTS WHERE SERGEANT LUJAN RESPONDED TO BACK UP THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS. THEY'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN BEING ABLE TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE SO THAT WAY THEY'RE NOT CONTINUING TO VICTIMIZE OUR COMMUNITY. I'M HONORED TO BE IN THIS POSITION. COUNCILOR PEÑA, THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING THE HARD WORK OF SERGEANT LIEU LAEGS HULAWN ONE IS MISSING TOGETHER BECAUSE WE HAD OBLIGATIONS WITH HIS FAMILY. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU. I WANT YOU TO KNOW HOW TO HIT SWITCHES ON THE LOW RIDER AS WELL. THANK YOU. TAKE CARE. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, OFFICERS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU AS WELL TO THESE YOUNG MEN. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED MANY, MANY TIMES IS I ACTUALLY AM ON A PHONE CALL BASIS WITH SERGEANT LUJAN. IF THERE'S ANYTHING GOING ON IN MY AREA I CAN PICK UP THAT PHONE AND HE TAKES CARE OF IT. VERY QUICKLY. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU TO COUNCILOR PEÑA FOR RECOGNIZING THE FINE WORK THIS PRT TEAM IS DOING IN THE AREA. WE'VE NOTICED A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THE AREA. >>COUN. BENTON: THANKS, COUNCILORS. WE'LL MOVE TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE LIVE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY IF THEY SIGNED UP PER THE INSTRUCTIONS ON THE AGENDA. HERE ARE THE GROUND RULES. EACH PARTICIPANT HAS ONE AND HALF MINUTES TO PRESENT. COMMENTS ARE TO BE ADDRESSED TO COUNCILORS ONLY THROUGH THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT. ANY DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT WILL RESULT IN REMOVAL FROM THE MEETING. WITH REGARD TO YOUR SPEAKING, AGAIN, THERE'S A ONE AND HALF MINUTE LIMIT AM -- THE LIGHT WILL BE GREEN FOR THE FIRST MINUTE AND TURN YELLOW INDICATING YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS REMAINING TO WRAP UP YOUR COMMENTS. PLEASE CALL THE NAME OF THE FIRST SPEAKER. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. FIRST SPEAKER IS MORGAN, FOLLOWED BY JORDAN. >> I'M GOING TO URGE CITY COUNCIL TO VOTE NO AND REJECT ANY QUALIFIED IMMUNITY. IT WAS REPEALED BECAUSE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE HAD VIOLATIONS OF SIEVE RIGHTS. DURING OUR LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING WE WITNESSED THE RULING BY THIS COUNCIL TO GO AGAINST THE MAJORITY OF ALBUQUERQUE CITIZENS WISHES TO HONOR DEMOCRACY AND PROTECT HUPEN RIGHTS. COUNCILOR LEWIS YOU FOLLOW PATTERN OF ACTORS LIKE TRUMP THAT USE MISINFORMATION WIN WITNESSING OPPOSING VIEWS GROUNDED IN FACT. PATTERNS LIKE THIS -- AND GIVE RISE TO SITUATIONS SUCH AS THE JANUARY 6 INSTREKZINVECTION. WE WE IMPLORE YOU NOT TO CONTINUE THAT PATTERN. YOU MAY KEEP US FROM PUBLIC SAYSES AND UTILIZE IMPERIALIST INSTITUTIONS TO MURDER US AS A COUNCIL WHOSE JOB IS TO REPRESENT THE MAJORITY OF CITIZENS IN YOUR DISTRICT YOU MAY DISHONOR THAT ROLE AND PROMOTE QUALIFIED IMMUNITY FROM ANY REGULATIONS OR CONSEQUENCES FROM INFRISKING ON CIVIL RIGHTS WITH THE RIGHT. WE DEMAND YOU DO NOT TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO FURTHER EXPLOIT YOUR POWER WHETHER YOU HONOR YOUR CONSTITUENTS WANTS OR BEST INTERESTS OR NOT WE'LL CONTINUE TO RISE TO BE TEACHERS, CLEANERS S AND MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS. VOTE NO. AND PLEASE ENFORCE DEMOCRACY. >> JORDAN FOLLOWED BY CYNTHIA. >>COUN. LEWIS: I THINK I HEARD MY NAME, ALTHOUGH I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT WAS IN REFERENCE TO. IF YOU MENTIONED MY NAME, I'D BE GLAD TO VISIT WITH YOU AND TALK WITH YOU ANY TIME. THANK YOU. >> JORDAN, FOLLOWED BY CYNTHIA. >> HELLO. I JUST WANT TO EXPRESS A LOT OF FRUSTRATION WITH THE MEMORIAL SIX. TO REINSTATE QUALIFIED IMMUNITY FOR POLICE OFFICERS. I'M ESPECIALLY DISAPPOINTED IN COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. THE COUNCILOR FOR DISTRICT ONE. I'M A TEACHER IN DISTRICT ONE. AND TWO OF MY STUDENTS GRANDFATHERS WAS KILLED BY POLICE ON A WELFARE CHECK. IT WASN'T IN DISTRICT ONE BUT HIS ENTIRE FAMILY LIVES IN DISTRICT ONE. ALSO IN DISTRICT ONE, KEY SHAUN THOMAS WAS KILLED BY POLICE OFFICERS WHILE NAPPING IN HIS CAR AS A GAS STATION. AND I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE SON OF MARGARET SMITH WHO COULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT WAS KILLED IN DISTRICT ONE RIGHT ON COORS AND NONE OF THEM HAVE RECEIVED JUSTICE. NONE OF THEM ARE RECEIVING ANY SERIOUS INTERNAL INVESTIGATION. AND I JUST REALLY BELIEVE THAT IF EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THIS ROOM WAS TO KILL SOMEONE BECAUSE OF THEIR JOB THEY WOULD BE TRIED. AND I DON'T THINK -- AND THEY WOULD BE PERSONALLY ACCOUNTABLE. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD REMOVE THAT FOR POLICE OFFICERS. PLEASE VOTE NO ON MEMORIAL SIX. >> CYNTHIA, FOLLOWED BY KEVIN. >> HI, I'M AN ORGANIZER WITH THE PARTIES OF SOCIALISM AND LIBERATION. I'M HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE THERE'S A FEW TOPICS TOGETHER TALKING ABOUT POLICING. I WANT TO ADDRESS SOMETHING RIGHT NOW. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ACHIEVEMENTS OF ARRESTS THAT THE POLICE HAVE DONE. WHAT ABOUT THE MURDERS THEY HAVE CAUSED? THE DAMAGE TO FAMILIES AND COMMUNITIES. JUST THIS YEAR THEY BURIED A 15-YEAR-OLD A LIVE AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING BACK QUALIFIED IMMUNITY. YOU'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT HOW YOU CAN CRIMINALIZE PEOPLE IN ENCAMPMENTS WHEN YOU JUST VOTED NO TO HAVE THE SYMBOLIC STANCE WITH THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE TO END THE PROHIBITION OF RENT CONTROL. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW YOU CAN HOW'S THEM. THAT'S HOW YOU HOW'S PEOPLE BY MAKING PEOPLE AFFORDABLE. KEEPING BUS FAIRS SO PEOPLE CAN GET TO WORK. SO THEY CAN GET TO THEIR JOB. SO THEY CAN PAY THEIR BILLS. THOSE ARE THINGS YOU CAN DO. YOU SHOULD HOLD APD ACCOUNTABLE. WHEN THEY MURDER A 15-YEAR-OLD CHILD IN A FIRE THEY CAUSED, PLEASE VOTE NO TO FOR MEMORIAL M-22-6 AND KEEP BUS FARES FREE. >> KEVIN, FOLLOWED BY BEN. >> HELLO, I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE PARTY FOR SOCIALISM AND LIBERATION. WE DEMAND THAT YOU VOTE NO FOR M-22-6 AND REJECT ANY ATTEMPT TO FLESTATE THE DOCTRINE OF QUALIFIED IMMUNITY. WE CANNOT RELY ON APD TO CONTROL THE ACTIONS AND CRIMES OF POLICE OFFICERS. THE PEOPLE MUST BE ABLE TO HOLD INDIVIDUAL COPS ACCOUNTABLE IF THEY COMMIT A CRIME. THESE COPS THAT ARE REFERRED TO AS BAD APPLES. WE DEMAND AN END TO ALL POLICE TERROR AND POLICE BRUTALITY. WE DEMAND AN END TO ALL RACIST POLICE. THE POLICE ARE MORE ABOVE THE LAW THAN ANY OTHER ONE OF US. WHEN SOMEONE IS UNNECESSARILY KILLED BY THE POLICE IT'S NOT ONLY THE INDIVIDUAL HARMED ENTIRE FAMILYERIZE DEVASTATED. CHILDREN GRANDCHILDREN SIBLINGS AND RELATIVES AND FRIENDS ALL OVER. POLICE BRUTALITY IS A SERIOUS ISSUE IN ALBUQUERQUE AND HAS NOT IMPROVED SINCE THE REFORMS WERE FORCED ON APD. THE AVERAGE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE KILLED BY POLICE WAS FIVE PER YEAR. IN 2022 THE NUMBER HAS RISEN TO SEVEN. I KNOW SO MANY VICTIMS OF POLICE BRUTALITY. AND I'VE HEARD THEIR STORIES AND SEEN HOW THEY HAVE BEEN AFFECTED. AND AS BEN MENTIONED KEY SHAUN THOMAS AND ALSO DOMNIC SMITH IN DISTRICT ONE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF THE NAMES. THERE'S MANY, MANY MORE. IF THESE REFORMS WERE >> THANK YOU. YOUR TIME IS UP. BEN, FOLLOWED BY HENRY. HENRY, FOLLOWED BY REBECCA. >> I'M HENRY. I WANTED -- COULD YOU PASS THOSE OUT TO THE COUNCILORS? OKAY. SORRY. YOU MAY REMEMBER IN FEBRUARY THAT YOU PASSED A RESOLUTION MAKING ALBUQUERQUE AN AGE-FRIENDLY CITY. MOVING IT FROM SENIOR FRIENDLY TO AGE FRIENDLY. I REPRESENT LOS RANCHOS. AND AS SOON AS THAT HAPPENED I WORKED WITH THE LOS RANCHOS BOARD OF TRUSTEES AND THEY PASSED A SIMILAR RESOLUTION. THAT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THE THINGS YOU GET. THE -- WHAT'S BEING PASSED OUT IN ADDITION TO THE RESOLUTION BY THE LOS RANCHOS BOARD OF TRUSTEES ARE THE TALKING POINTS FOR AGE FRIENDLY. YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THIS, BUT THIS IS THE STUFF THAT ARE BEING PASSED OUT. WHY AM I TALKING ABOUT THIS? I'M ON THE ADVISORY COUNCIL OF THE DEPARTMENT OF SENIOR AFFAIRS. AND IT'S A GREAT ORGANIZATION. I REALLY WANT TO BRAG ABOUT THAT. AND I THINK THIS IS EVIDENCE THAT LOS RANCHOS PASSED A SIMILAR RESOLUTION AND THESE TALKING POINTS SPEAK TO THAT. IN ADDITION, I KNOW I'M SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING ONLY TO YOU, BUT I HOPE POSSIBLY PEOPLE CAN HEAR'D, AND THAT IS BOND ISSUE NUMBER ONE TO SUPPORT THE INFRASTRUCTURE SPENDING OF THE DEPARTMENT OF SENIOR AFFAIRS. ANYBODY HERE IN THIS BUILDING THAT HAS NOT PASSED OR VOTED PLEASE VOTE TOMORROW ON BOND ISSUE NUMBER ONE ON YOUR BALLOT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> REBECCA FOLLOWED BY JASON. >> HI, THIS IS REALLY RIDICULOUS TO START THIS MEETING ABOUT AN HOUR TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO CRIMINALIZE HOMELESS PEOPLE. WE NEED TO SOLVE IT WITH HOUSING NOT POLICING. AND THE ONLY REQUIREMENT FOR ACCESSING HOUSING SHOULD NOT BE HAVING HOUSING. GET RID OF THE RED TAPE. AND IT ALSO HELPS A LOT IF WE CAN END THE PROHIBITION ON RENT CONTROL SO PEOPLE CAN STOP BEING DRIVEN TO HOMELESSNESS. I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THE ZERO FARE BASE BUSS. I SPENT OVER A DECADE RIDING THE BUS IN ALBUQUERQUE. FREE BUS FARES HAS BEEN A GAME-CHANGER. BEING ABLE TO GET ON A BUS AND GO WHERE YOU NEED TO GO HELPS WORKING CLASS PEOPLE GET JOBS AND SEE FAMILY AND FRIENDS MORE. REQUIRING I.D. AND APPLICATION BURDENS OUR NEIGHBORS WHO NEED HELP THE MOST. WHEN I RIDE THE BUS WORKURS FROM ALL WORKS OF LIFE. WHAT BUS RIDERS NEED IS GUARANTEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING, ACCOMMODATION FOR DISABILITIES AND OTHER SOCIAL SERVICES. I NEVER FELT UNSAFE WHILE RIDING THE BUS. THEY NEED VAST EXPANSION OF BUS SERVICES. >> JASON FOLLOWED BY NICOLE. NICOLE FOLLOWED BY JENNIFER. JENNIFER, FOLLOWED BY BRIAN. >> I WANT TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THE MAYORS HOUSING INITIATIVE. I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO THAT RECRUITS AND ADMITS THE INTERNATIONAL STUDENT POPULATION THAT COMES TO NEW MEXICO TO STUDY. I FREQUENT CONTACT WITH THE STUDENT POPULATION. THE HOUSING SHORTAGE AND SPIKE IN RENTAL RATES WE SAW DURING THE PANDEMIC HAVE HAD ADVERSE AFFECTS ON THE INTERNATIONAL STUDENT POPULATION. INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS DON'T HAVE THE SAME SAFETY NETS AS DOMESTIC COUNTER PARTS. THEY DON'T HAVE RELATIVES IN THE AREA AND OFTEN DON'T OWN VEHICLES. THEY'RE COMPELLED TO LOOK FOR HOUSING WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE. IN 2021 WITH THE CLOSURE OF STUDENT FAMILY HOUSING OR INTERNATIONAL GRAJTWIT KAEGS -- AND SAFE HOUSING. MY OFFICE SCRAMBLED TO HELP THESE STUDENTS CONNECT WITH HOUSING RESOURCES AND WE SAW THE CHALLENGES FIRST HAND AS FAMILIES WITH THREE CHILDREN WERE DENIED APPLICATIONS BECAUSE THEY WERE TOLD THEY COULD NOT HAVE MORE THAN TWO CHILDREN IN A ROOM. THREE BEDROOM APARTMENTS WERE TOO EXPENSIVE FOR THE GRADUATE SALARIES ASK HARD TO FIND. THE TRAGIC MURDERS OF SOUTH ASIAN MUSLIN MEN HEIGHTENED THE FEAR REGARDING THE SAFETY WHILE COMMUTING TO AND FROM CAMPUS. THE TRAGIC LOSS OF -- BROUGHT TO LIGHT TRAGIC INSTANCES OF MUGGING AND THEFT IN THE HOUSING COMMUNITY BORDERING THE UNM CAMPUS. STUDENTS DO NOT FEEL. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU. YOUR TIME IS UP. MADAM, YOUR TIME IS UP. >> BRIAN, FOLLOWED BY BRUCE. >> EXCUSE ME, I'M JENNIFER. I DON'T KNOW HOW I GOT SKIPPED. I WAS WALKING UP TO THE PODIUM. CAN I SPEAK? >> PLEASE. >> THANK YOU. I'M WITH THE PEOPLE'S HOUSING PROJECT AND I'M HERE TO SAY KEEP THE ZERO BUS PROGRAM. 80% OF BUS RIDERS LOVE AND SUPPORT ZERO FARES. 60% OF RIDERS DON'T HAVE I.D.S AND REQUIRING THEM WILL HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT. TO OBTAIN A FREE BUS PASS IT BURDENS THE DIG DIST ABLED UNSHELTERED PEOPLE GET THEIR STUFF STOLEN ALL THE TIME. ARE THEY TO GET AN I.D. ONCE, TWICE, OR THREE TIMES A WEEK. THIS IS ANOTHER ATTEMPT TO POLICE THE POOR AND NOT ACTUALLY KEEP PEOPLE SAFE. ANYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET ON THE BUS FOR FREE. WHY NOT INCREASE THE BUDGET, BUILD SAFETY CAGES AROUND THE HARDWORKING BUS DRIVERS. HIRE MORE WORKERS. WHY NOT CREATE A STATE PROGRAM THAT EMPOWERS EX-CONVICTS AND FELONS THAT ALREADY HAVE BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY SAFETY RIDE LEADERS TRAINED -- VIOLENT INTERRUPTERS ON THE BUS IS A GREAT SOLUTION FOR HARDWORKING PEOPLE AND TO KEEP OUR BUS DRIVERS SAFE. YOU TERRIFY ME WITH EVERY MEASURE THAT COMES DOWN AS YOU ADD MORE POLICING RATHER THAN COMMUNITY BUILDING. AND AN HOUR TALKING ABOUT POLICING THE UNSHELTERED. HELP THE PEOPLE FIGHT CRIME THROUGH. -- MENTAL HEALTH CARE, WE ARE BANK NEEDS IN THE SOLUTION. NOT POLICING. >> BRIAN, FOLLOWED BY BRUCE. >> THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME. >>COUN. LEWIS: JUST A MOMENT. BECAUSE THE BUS FARE WAS DISCUSSED. AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND GIVE COMMENTS ON IT. I WANTED TO GIVE A FEW COMMENTS ON IT JUST BRIEFLY THAT MIGHT INTEREST YOU FOR THE REST OF THE MEETING. WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF, AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS AND CALLS AND EMAILS, PEOPLE EXPRESSING DIFFERENT OPINIONS. WE WILL BE -- OUR INTENTION IS TO DEFER THIS BILL TONIGHT FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. WE HAVE A PRETTY EXTENSIVE AMENDMENT WE'VE ADDED. AND WE'LL INTRODUCE THAT TONIGHT AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THOSE AMENDMENTS AND THE CHANGES TO THE BILL. AND THEN WE'LL ALSO RECOMMEND A 30-DAY DEFERRAL FOR SEVERAL REASONS BECAUSE THE ADMINISTRATION IS REQUESTED THAT PARTLY BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT OUR AGENCY WHEN WE DO A RATE CHANGE TO DO A STUDY. WE NEED TIME TO DO THAT. AND PART OF THE AMENDMENT IS IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CHANGE IN THE PROGRAM DEFERRED UNTIL THE END OF THE BUDGET YEAR. MANY OF YOU REQUESTED THAT. WE'RE WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENT IN THAT REGARD. AND REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS A BILL THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S THE INTENTION OF THE SPONSORS OF THIS BILL. IS RECOGNIZING SOME OF THE CHALLENGES AND SEEING IF WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME WAYS TO BE ABLE TO IMPROVE OUR TRANSIT SYSTEM. AND TO ENSURE FOR THE FUTURE THAT THERE ARE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO RIDE THE BUS FOR FREE FOR THOSE THAT NEED TO AND WANT TO. THAT'S OUR INTENTION. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS BILL REFLECTS. I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT JUST BECAUSE I KNOW MANY YOU ARE HEAR TO TALK ABOUT THAT TONIGHT. WE'LL DEFER THAT TONIGHT BUT WE'LL DISCUSS THIS AMENDMENT TONIGHT AS WELL. THANK YOU, SIR. I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE. >> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT BILL. SO, THE BIGGEST THING IS I'M A SPECIAL EDUCATION TEACHER FOR THE DISTRICT. I SUPPORT OTHER TEACHERS ACROSS THE WHOLE DISTRICT AND ALL LEARNING ZONES. AND TRANSPORTATION IS THE NUMBER ONE CONCERN FOR THE INDIVIDUALS THAT I'M WORKING WITH. IF IT'S PARATRANSIT OR THE FIXED BUS ROUTE, IT'S A CRUCIAL NECESSITY OF LIFE. AND RIGHT NOW, THE BILL IS EVOLVING. AND I KNOW YOU'RE DOING ADDITIONS AND AMENDMENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. BUT SOME OF THE CONCERNS IS PUTTING ANY KIND OF EXTRA BARRIER TO BE ABLE TO WALK ON TO A BUS AND USE IT AS FREELY AS WALKING DOWN THE STREET. RIGHT NOW, I DON'T QUITE AGREE WITH THE IDEA OF TRYING TO HAVE SOME KIND OF REGULATION WHERE THERE'S NEEDING TO BE AN I.D. HAVE MANY STUDENTS WHO HAVE SEEN ACROSS THE DISTRICT WHO CANNOT GET AN I.D. IF IT'S THE PROTOCOLS INVOLVING GETTING THAT I.D., IF IT'S THE FINANCIAL COMPONENT OF GETTING THE I.D., ANY BARRIER IN REGARD TO TRANSPORTATION I'M OPPOSED TO. RIGHT NOW, IT FEELS LIKE THIS IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER BUREAUCRACY OF A STEP THAT MY STUDENTS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH TO GET ON A BUS AND USE IT AS FREELY AS WALKING DOWN THE STREET. PLEASE KEEP THE ZERO FARES, BUT ALSO KEEP IN MIND MAKE IT AS ACCESSIBLE AS POSSIBLE WITHOUT ANY HINDRANCE OF I.D. OR ANYTHING ELSE LIKE THAT. >>COUN. PEÑA: I JUST WANT TO ADD TO THAT, I APPRECIATE COUNCILOR LEWIS'S COMMENTS. AND I WANT TO ADD TO THAT. I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, THIS HAS BEEN VERY IMPORTANT TO US TO MAKE SURE WE DO THIS RIGHT WITHOUT IGNORING SOME OF THE SECURITY CONCERNS THAT WE'VE LEARNED ABOUT. THIS GENTLEMAN IS TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO RIDE THE BUS WHO HAVE DISABILITIES, PRIOR TO -- AND IT'S AN ACTUALLY AN INITIATIVE THAT I INTRODUCED AT THE URGING OF FORMER COUNCILOR SENNA AT THE LAST BUDGET CYCLE, I'M REALLY PROUD WE DID ZERO FARES WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE REST OF THE COUNCIL, BUT PRIOR TO THAT EVEN NOW IF YOU WANT TO RIDE THE SUN VAN BECAUSE I DO HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER THAT IS DEVELOPMENTALLY DELAYED AND TWO OTHER MEMBERS IN WHEELCHAIRS THAT ARE FAMILY MEMBERS, THEY HAVE TO FILL OUT AN APPLICATION TO RIDE THE SUN VAN. THAT'S CURRENT. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE BARRIERS THOSE ARE STILL BARRIERS IN PLACE. AS WE'RE WALKING AND NAVIGATING THROUGH THIS AS COUNCILOR LEWIS STATED, WE'RE MAKING SOME CHANGES TO BREAK DOWN AS MANY BARRIERS AS POSSIBLE. THANK YOU. >> BRUCE FOLLOWED BY JOSE. >> GOOD EVENING, AND I AM REPRESENTING THE BOARD OF HIGHLAND NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND THE BOARD OF THE EAST DOWNTOWN BUSINESS ASSOCIATION. THOSE BOARDS WERE DEEPLY CONCERNED BY THE LUMENTABLE CONDITION OF THE UNDERPASS THAT TAKES SENTERAL -- CENTRAL UNDERNEATH THE RAILROAD TRACKS. AS OF TEN DAYS AGO THERE WERE NO LIGHTS. IT WAS PITCH-BLACK. AND THE PAVEMENT WAS INDESCRIBABLY FILTHY. THIS IS OF CONCERN TO OUR TWO NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS BECAUSE IT AFFECTS THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND BECAUSE IT IMPAIRS THE IMAGE OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE FOR THE INCREASINGLY PROSPEROUS EAST DOWNTOWN AREA. WE HAVE A NEW HILTON AT THE CORNER OF BROADWAY AND CENTRAL. ANYONE STAYING THERE IS GOING TO FIND THEMSELVES RUNNING THE GAUNT LNT OF THIS TERRIFYING SPACE. WE HAVE TWO RECOMMENDATION. THE FIRST IS THE INSTALLATION IMMEDIATELY OF 24-HOUR HIGH INTENSITY LIGHTS IN THE UNDERPASS IN PLACES THAT CANNOT EASILY BE MAGNIFIED. THE SECOND IS INCREASE THE SANITATION TO WASH THE PAVEMENT AT LEAST SEVERAL TIMES A WEEK. WE HAVE OTHER IDEAS BUT MY TIME IS UP AND I WELCOME FURTHER CONVERSATION. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU. I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU AND OTHERS HAVE REPORTED THE LIGHTING. I HAVE HEARD ABOUT IT AND WE PASS ALONG THE QUESTION. I WANTED TO ASK THE DMD DIRECTOR OR MR. RAEL TO SPEAK TO WHAT THE PLAN IS TO GET THE LIGHTS BACK ON. WE DID A BIG EXPENSIVE PROJECT WITH THE LIGHTS. I WOULD WONDER IF IT'S STILL UNDER WARRANTLY. AND HAVE DIRECTOR WELAND SPEAK TO THAT. >> IS IT ON? MR. PRESIDENT, I GOT THE EMAIL TODAY AND WE'VE ADDRESSED THE SITUATION. THEY BOTH THE RAISED THE ISSUE WITH US. THERE ARE THREE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE SOMEWHAT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE UNDERPASS. AND DIRECTOR WILL TALK ABOUT THE CLEANLINESS. THE LIGHTS HAVE BEEN VANDALIZED AT LEAST TWICE IN THE LAST FOUR MONTHS. WE'RE WORKING WITH OUR CONTRACTOR TO LOCK AT A WAY OF INSTALLING LIGHTS THAT HAVE A CAGE. IT'S BECOME AN INCREASINGLY LARGE PROBLEM FOR US. BY THE END OF THE WEEK, WE HAVE A PROPOSAL THAT WILL SOMEHOW STABILIZE THOSE LIGHTS BETTER THAN WHAT THEY ARE NOW. WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL LIGHTS WITHIN THE TUNNEL AND INCREASING THE LIGHT SO IT'S BRIGHTER. AND THE OTHER THING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN USED IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY IS TO HAVE SOME SORT OF MUSIC WITHIN THE TUNNEL THAT DISCOURAGES INDIVIDUALS FROM SLEEPING THERE AT NIGHT. WE ARE AWARE OF THE PROBLEM AND WE'RE ADDRESSING AN IT AS QUICKLY AS CAN. AND DIRECTOR WELAND IS THERE TO TALK ABOUT THE CLEANLINESS AND ALSO TO TALK ABOUT APD PATROLS WITHIN THE TUNNEL. >>COUN. BENTON: DIRECTOR, I'M SORRY, AS I SAID, I PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS CHALLENGE FOR YEARS. WE HAD TWO -- NOT ONE, BUT TWO SEPARATE CONSULTANTS, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEED TWO TO STUDY IT AND SAY YES THERE'S A PROBLEM. AND THE NEXT ONE SAYS IN THEORY TO DESIGN IT. AND WITH MY REPEATINGLY SAYING WHAT ABOUT HARDENING OF THE SYSTEM WHERE IT WILL BE VANDAL PROOF AND THAT HAD TO BE A PARAMONTH -- PARAMOUNT ISSUE WITH THE DESIGN. I WONDER IF THE STALLERS SHOULD ME HELD ACCOUNTABLE AS TO THE IDEA IT'S NOT VANDAL-PROOF. IT'S AN UNACCEPTABLE SITUATION. JUST ON MY OWN. SPENDING OUR OWN DISTRICT TWO FUNDS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN INTO THIS POINT AND WE'RE STILL WHERE WE WERE. IT'S REALLY DON'TING. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE DIRECTOR ABOUT THE CLEANING SCHEDULE OF THE UNDERPASS. >> YEAH, EVERY MORNING WE START DOWNTOWN AREA TO EMPTY THE TRASH CANS. AND ONE OF THE LITTER CREWS GOES THROUGH THEM AND PICK UP DEBRIS OR ANYTHING WITHIN THOSE. AND THEN THEY TRY AND MAKE IT BACK TOWARD THE END OF THE DAY. THEIR DAYS END AROUND 2:30 BECAUSE THEY COME IN AT 6:30. WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING IS HAVE DUKE CITY AMBASSADORS IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. WE'RE IN NEGOTIATIONS TO ADD THOSE STRETCHES TO WHAT THEY'RE ALREADY DOING. IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE TRACT. ONCE WE CAN GET THEM TO AGREE TO THAT,THEN WE'LL HAVE THEM GOING THROUGH THERE THROUGHOUT THE DAY. NOT ONLY WILL OUR CREW HIT IT ONCE IN THE MORNING AND ONCE IN THE AFTERNOON BUT DUKE CITY AMBUSDERS WILL GO THROUGH THE DAY ALL THE WAY UP TO THE BROADWAY WHERE THE HILTON GARDEN IS. WITH THAT AND BETTER LIGHTING IT WILL HELP. IT'S DIFFICULT WHEN IT'S DARK TO SEE CERTAIN THINGS. WE'LL INCREASE OUR PATROLS. >>COUN. BENTON: IT MUST BE HARD TO CLEAN IF IT'S NOT LIT. SECONDLY, TALKING ABOUT SET ASIDES FROM DISTRICT TWO, WE USED SET ASIDES FROM DISTRICT TWO TO BUY SIDEWALK CLEANING EQUIPMENT. IS THAT OPERATIONAL? >> COUNCILOR BENTON, YES. WE DO GO THROUGH AND SWEEP IT. POWER WASH IT. WE TRY TO DO IT ONCE A WEEK OR SOMETIMES TWICE A WEEK DEPENDING ON AVAILABILITY. THAT DOES HAPPEN. >>COUN. BENTON: YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS REPEATEDLY AND PREVIOUS CAOs THAT -- AND WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT DESIGNING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT REQUIRING PEDESTRIANS TO GO THROUGH THAT TUNNEL. INING EXPANDING THE PLATFORM. I ASK QUICKLY, MR. RAEL, IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS. >> JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, AND I KNOW THIS IS AN EVOLVING PROCESS, BUT THE RAIL TRAIL PROJECT DOES INCORPORATE A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING AT CENTRAL. IT WOULD BE OUR GOAL BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE EXPERIENCED THE SAME ISSUES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO KEEP THAT UNDERPASS CLEAN AND THE FACT THAT UNDERPASS IS ALWAYS BEEN AN ISSUE THAT SEPARATES THE TWO AREAS OF DOWNTOWN. THE NEW RAIL TRAIL PROJECT WILL HAVE A CROSSING. IT MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY AS WE GOW THROUGH THE DESIGN TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT WE CLOSE ACCESS UNDER THE UNDERPASS AND LEAVE IT FOR AUTOMOBILES AND IT WILL HAVE STEPS AND ADA ACCOMMODATIONS SO PEOPLE CAN WALK FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE TRACK AND ULTIMATELY CREATE A BETTER PEDESTRIAN ACCESS SO THAT IS PART OF THE CONSIDERATION AS A DESIGN MOVES FORWARD WITH THE RAIL TRAIL. >>COUN. BENTON: AND IN THE PAST, MR. RAEL, DISCUSSIONS HAVING TO DO WITH THE RAILROAD OR THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION OF THE STATE AND ALSO THE FEDERAL RAILWAY ADMINISTRATION THAT THEIR CRITERIA, IS THAT STILL SEEN AS AN OBSTACLE TO MAKE THIS CROSSING USING THE RAIL TRAIL? >> MR. PRESIDENT, I THINK ONE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE IS WHEN THE STATE AQUIRED THE TRACK TO BUILD THE RAIL RUNNER, THE PRIVATE RAILROAD CARRIER THAT OWNED THE CORRIDOR WHO WAS REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS YING -- ISSUES OF ISSUE THEY STILL DO SOME SWITCHING AND IN SOME AREAS OF THE CITY. WITH THE STATE OWNER THE CORRIDOR, I HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION, THEY'RE SUPPORTIVE OF ANOTHER CROSSING. JUST LIKE THE ONE AT MARQUETTE. AND WE ANY THE FRA WILL REQUIRE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE SAFE. I'M HOPE FAL -- THAT THE CROSSING WILL NOT IMPEDE AMTRACK OR THE RAIL RUNNER BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE CROSSING WAS DESIGNED AND THE STATIONS ARE LOCATED ON THAT CORRIDOR. I THINK WE HAVE A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS THAN IT WAS BEFORE. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU. IF YOU WOULD KEEP MY OFFICE APRIZED OF PROGRESS ON BOTH FRONTS, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO CONVEY THAT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND I THANK MR. REDFORD FOR SPEAKING. WE HAVE A LONG LIST OF SPEAKERS. WE'RE HAPPY FOR YOU TO REACH OUT TO OUR OFFICE ANY TIME. >> JOSE FOLLOWED BY JOEL. >> I'M AN ORGANIZER WITH THE PARTY OF SOCIAL -- I URGE THE COUNCIL TO VOTE NO ON -- ON AMENDING THE BUS FARE. THIS IS AN ATTACK ON THE POOR AND WORKING CLASS WHICH IS A MAJORITY OF THE RESIDENCE IN THE CITY YOU SHOULD BE FIGHTING FOR. FIGHTING FOR THE BILL MEANS YOU STAND AGAINST 80% OFFENSE THE RIDE USERS THAT SUPPORT THE PROGRAM. MAKING BUS RIDERS MANY OF WHOM DON'T HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE TO BE ABLE TO QUALIFY FOR THE BUS PROGRAM IS A CLEAR ATTACK. USING THE BUS SYSTEM IS A -- WE NEED NEED TO ADD MORE HURDLES FOR PEOPLE TO USE CITY BUSES. PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IS A PUBLIC GOOD AND IT SHOULD BE EXPANDED TO ALL WITH NO EXCEPTIONS. THERE SEEMS TO BE A CONCERN OVER CRIME IN THE BUS SYSTEM. THIS CAN BE DONE BY ENDING POVERTY BY DOING THINGS LIKE PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING, HEALTH CARE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING SERVICES. I URGE THE COUNCIL TO STAND WITH THE MAJORITY OF ALBUQUERQUE'S RESIDENCE. THEY CAN DO THIS BY VOTING NO. >> JOEL FOLLOWED BY ROGER. >> I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE PARTY OF SOCIALISM AND LIBERATION. I WAS GOING TO SPEAK ON THE BUS FARES, BUT I'LL WAIT ON THAT UNTIL I SEE WHAT YOU DECIDE. I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT -- I WANT TO URGE YOU TO VOTE NO ON THEMEMORIAL TO APPROVE QUALIFIED IMMUNITY. ALBUQUERQUE WAS OVERSEEN BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND RULED THAT ALBUQUERQUE HAS HIGH NUMBER OF POLICE KILLINGS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE NOT ONLY THE COUNCIL VOTE NO ON QUALIFIED IMTUNITY. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL POLICE BE HELD CRIMINALLY ACCOUNTABLE FOR SHOOTINGS WHERE ESPECIALLY WITH SOMEBODY WHO IS UNARMED, THERE'S SOMEBODY WHO HAVE HAVING A MENTAL HIALITY CREATESES INVOLVING THE KILLING OF A MINOR CHILD. ALSO, I DO THINK THAT BODY CAM FOOTAGE OUGHT TO BE RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC WITHIN 48 HOURS MAXIMUM. SO THE PUBLIC CAN DECIDE WHAT EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. AND I AWAIT YOUR DECISION ON THE BUS FARE. I HOPE YOU DO DECIDE TO MAKE THE BUS FARES FREE. BECAUSE AS YOU MAY KNOW, THERE ARE DOZENS OF CITIES SMALLER THAN ALBUQUERQUE ALL OVER THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE FREE BUS FARES. >> GREG, FOLLOWED BY TADIUS. >> OKAY, I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE TWO PROBLEMS. AS I SEE IT. ONE HAPPENED TO ME LAST THURSDAY, WHEN I WAS TAKING THE BUS TO WORK. IT LOOKS LIKE THE ART BUS TO THE ATC. BEFORE I GOT IN THE NEXT BUS WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN THE 16 BROADWAY BUS SCHEDULED TO LEAVE AT 7:09. IT NEVERED SHOWED UP. I CALLED 311, THEY HAD NO EXPLANATION. I GET THERE'S NOT LOT OF WAS DRIVERS. BUT IF THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A BUS AT A PARTICULAR TIME AT LEAST HAVE A COURTESY SAYING THAT ROUTE IS CANCELED. THE OTHER ONE CONCERNS WHAT EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT HERE REGARDING THE FREE BUS FARE THING. THE WAY I SEE IT, I THINK THAT COUNCILOR LEWIS'S CONCERNS ARE VERY VALID. AND THEY NEED TO BE DEALT WITH. THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO DO IT. I BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN BE DEALT WITH THOSE TEN OFFICERS THAT COUNCILOR DAVIS REQUESTS. >> THANK YOU, SIR. TADIUS, FOLLOWED BY KYLE. >> THANK YOU. WELL, COUNCILOR LEWIS WAS LOOKING DURING THE MEETING WITH THE DIRECTOR FOR SOLUTION. WELL, HERE PRESIDENT BENTON SPEAKING ONCE -- THAT'S HIS SOLUTION. NOW DAVIS, I ASK HIM IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD -- ENDING IN CENTRAL NORTH ENDING IN THE ALLEY. HE NEVER RESPONDED. NOTHING WAS DONE. EITHER HIS POLICYMAKER OR DIRECTOR OF CITY COUNCIL EVAN CALLED ME BACK. ANYWAY, WELL, COUNCILOR LEWIS, YOU WANT TO TAKE BUSINESS FROM COW-MILKING CITY WHICH IS SAN MARTIN? THEY'RE THE BIGGEST ONE. THEY'RE JUST BUILDING. -- TENS OF MILLIONS. THANK YOU. >> KYLE FOLLOWED BY KRISTEN ON ZOOM. >> GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE COUNCIL. I'M A NAVAJO AND NATIVE-AMERICAN. U.S. NAVY VETERAN AND A RECENT HOMEOWNER. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE HOUSING SITUATION. I'M ALSO ON THE COMMISSION FOR AMERICAN INDIAN AFFAIR AND WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE MAYOR. I URGE THE SUPPORT FOR THE MAYOR'S HOUSING INITIATIVE AND SUPPORT FOR DPAET WAY -- GATEWAY CENTER. I TALKED WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THESE ARE GOOD OPTIONS FOR PATHWAYS TO HOMEOWNERSHIP. I ALSO WAS A HOMELESS VETERAN TOO. I UTILIZED A NON-PROFIT IN TOWN. AND IT DID HELP ME. NOT ONLY WITH GETTING ME OFF THE STREET BUT WITH LEARNING HOW TO NAVIGATE URBAN CITIES AS AN INDIGENOUS PERSON. NOW, I KNOW WHAT EQUITY IN A HOUSE IS. I KNOW HOW TO NAVIGATE THESE SYSTEMS. AND NOW MY -- IT IS MY HONOR TO HELP OTHER INDIGENOUS PEOPLE DO THE SAME THING. I WANT TO THANK THE CITY COUNCIL FOR ALL THE SUPPORT THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN TO THE NATIVE-AMERICAN COMMUNITY. BUT THERE'S STILL MORE WALK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR MORE CONVERSATION TO IMPROVE MY COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU FOR COMING TO SPEAK, SIR. WE SAW THAT STATISTICS THAT DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBERS OF FOLKS ON THE STREET ARE NATIVE-AMERICAN. THAT'S A SHAME. GIVEN WHERE WE LIVE. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING TO SPEAK AND TELLING YOUR STORY. >> KRISTEN FOLLOWED BY ANGELINA. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> WE CAN HEAR YOU. THANK YOU. >> GREAT. WHENEVER CITY -- I RESEARCHED TODAY AND WAS NOT ABLE TO FIND ONE U.S. CITY THAT HAS THIS RACIST CONCEPT. PUBLIC TRANSIT GIVES ACCESS TO LOPPEDRIES AND STORES AND NICE DAYS AT THE PARK. WHEN YOU HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES PUBLIC TRANSIT IS A LIFELEN. HAVING TO USE AN I.D. TO RIDE IS LUDICROUS. IS IS IF A BUS IS HOW HE GETS TO AND FROM WORK. SHOULD SHE WALK ALONE IN THE DARK BECAUSE SHE LOST HER I.D.? THE ALBUQUERQUE PUBLIC TRANSIT SHOULD BE FREE TO ASSIST THE COMMUNITIES OF THE MOST VULNERABLE CITIZENS. IF THE COUNSELLED IS SCARED TO TAKE THE BUS THEN MAKE RELATIONS WHO RIDE IT REGULARLY. LEAVE THE PRIVILEGE AT THE DOOR AND NOT THE PEERS THAT DO NOT TAKE PUBLIC TRANSIT. WHAT WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON IS EXPANDING PUBLIC TRANSIT HOURS AND ROUTES NOT ALLOWING A FEW OUT OF TOUCH GATE KEEPERS THE ABILITY TO DEEM WHO IS WORTHY TO RIDE. SHAME ON WHOEVER ROAD -- RODE THE BUS ONE TIME. AND FOR THE COUNCILORS, YOUR INTENTION IS VERY CLEAR. >> ANGELINA FOLLOWED BY PETER. >> I'M THE ORGANIZER ARE THE PEOPLE'S HOUSING. I WANT TO STATE THAT 61% OF PASSENGERS DON'T HAVE A VALID DRIVER'S LICENSE. ALSO, WITH MY INTERACTIONS WITH THE HOMELESS COMMUNITY, MOST OF THEM ARE NOT ABLE TO KEEP AN I.D. IF THEY'RE UNABLE TO OBTAIN IT AND WORK WITH A SOCIAL WORKER BY SOME MIRACLE ABLE TO GET THE I.D. THEY'RE GOING TO LOSE IT. JUST LIKE ANY PERSON IN THE COMMUNITY, HOMELESS ARE TRYING TO BETTER THEMSELVES AND GET TO WORK. DO WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO. TRANSPORTATION SHOULD NOT BE A BARRIER. IT'S DISGUSTING TO PUT THIS OUT. FOR BUSES AND THE TRANSPORTATION ON THE BUS RIDES NEED TO CONTINUE AND THE TRANSPORTATION IN THE CITY NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED. WE NEED MORE BUSES NOT JUST TWO BUSES ALONG CENTRAL. WE NEED BUSES THAT ACTUALLY RUN. THANK YOU. >> PETER FOLLOWED BY SANDRA. >> COUNCILOR BENTON, SPEAKING FOR -- NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION PART OF THE THREE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS APPEALING THE GATEWAY ONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WE REQUEST THAT YOU ACT UPON THE SUBMITTED REQUEST TO COMPLETE THE IDO APPEALS PROCESS. WE RECOGNIZE THE NEED FOR OVERNIGHT SHELTERS AND REQUEST THE COMPLETION OF THE APPEAL PROCESS SO THE SHELTER CAN LEGALLY OPEN. WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR RESPONSE. THANK YOU. >> SANDRA FOLLOWED BY RACHEL. >> COUNCILOR BENTON, COUNCILORS, I'M THE PRESIDENT OF ELDER HOMESTEAD. ONE OF THE THREE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS APPEALING THE GATEWAY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. AND WE REQUEST THAT YOU EXAMINE OUR REQUEST FOR THE APPEALS PROCESS. WE HAVE NOT SPOKEN TO YOU INDIVIDUALLY AFTER THE PLANNING DIRECTOR TOLD US THAT THE APPEALS PROCESS IS COMPLETE. WE HAVE EXAMINED THE IDO IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE LUHO'S DECISION AND WE SEE ERROR IN THE INTERPRETATION. WE DON'T WANT TO JEOPARDIZE A POTENTIAL QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING. PLEASE REVIEW AND ASK ON OUR SUBMITTED REQUEST SO THAT THE GATEWAY OVERNIGHT SHELTER CAN OPEN LEGALLY WITH CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THANK YOU. >> RACHEL FOLLOWED BY ROSEMARY. >> COUNCILOR BENTON, MY COMMENT IS A FOLLOW UP TO MY SEPTEMBER 19th REQUEST FOR CORRECTION OF THE DENIAL OF IDO PROCEDURE FOR CITY COUNCIL APPEAL REVIEW AND DECISIONS FOR THE GATEWAY CONDITIONAL YOU'RES -- USE PERMIT. THIS IS TO PREVENT THE SHELTER FROM LEGALLY OPENING UNDER THE CURRENT PLAN TO PARTIALLY OPEN IN DECEMBER. PER I -- AND THE HAND LOSE HEARING WRITTEN RECOMMENDATION WHERE HE SAID THAT ASIDE FROM THE REMAND ITSELF EVERYTHING DECIDE IN THIS APPEAL IS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THUS WHEN THE ZHE DECIDES THE NARROW ISSUE ON REMAND ALL THE ISSUES AND FINDINGS INCLUDING THE REMAND ISSUES CAN BE FINALLY DECIDED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. ALL ISSUES INCLUDING THE REMAND ISSUES ARE PRESERVED FOR THE CITY COUNCIL. AFTER THE LUHO HEARING THE APPEAL WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HEARD BY THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL DETERMINATION. THIS IS NOT OCCURRED. IN CHOOSING COURSE OF INACTION THE COUNCIL IS DENYING DUE PROCESS TO THE AFFECTED NEIGHBORS. PER THE RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL, WHEN THE ZHE DECIDES A NARROW ISSUE, INCLUDING THE REMAND ISSUES, THEN THEY CAN FINALLY BE DECIDED BOY THE CITY COUNCIL. THE LUHO INSTRUCTIONS AND FINAL INSTRUCTION BY THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE NOT OCCURRED, THEREFORE THE IDO APPEAL. >>COUN. BENTON: YOUR TIME HAS EXPIRED. >> ROSEMARY. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BENTON. I LIVE IN DISTRICT TWO. AND I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON TWO ISSUES THAT ARE ON YOUR AGENDA AND ONE THAT IS NOT AND SHOULD BE. YOU HAVE RECOGNIZED THE NOVEMBER 2022 AS HOMELESS YOUTH AWARENESS MONTH. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TOTAKE THAT AWARENESS AND PUT TO PRACTICAL USE TO ACTUALLY HELP HOMELESS YOUTH AND OTHER HOMELESS ADULTS WHO FIND THEMSELVES NEEDING SERVICES IN OUR CITY AND UNABLE TO SEEK THEM. I'M SORRY MY PHONE WENT OFF. AND I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY THAT HAPPENED. I DIDN'T KNOW MY PHONE WAS GOING TO GO OFF. ANYWAY. YOU HAVE AN SOS OPERATOR'S PERMIT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, AND I URGE YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T USE IT IN WAYS THAT DISCOURAGE CONCERNED PEOPLE FROM APPLYING TO OPERATE SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES. I ALSO ASK HOW THE REQUIREMENT THAT THE SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES OPERATOR NOT PERMIT FELONY AND ASSAULT CONVICTIONS, BUT WHAT PROCESS WOULD A PERSON HAVE TO KNOW THROUGH TO HAVE A PRIOR CONVICTION CLEARED THAT WOULD NOT MAKE THEM INELIGIBLE TO USE AN SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES OR WHAT WOULD THE OPERATOR HAVE TO DO. OR WOULD THIS BE A REASON TO FIND THE OPERATOR IN VIOLATION? >> THANK YOU. YOUR TIME IS UP. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU. >> MR. PRESIDENT, THAT CONCLUDES GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BENTON: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WAS JUST INFORMED THAT THERE'S A FIRE GOING ON AT UNM. A LARGE STRUCTURE FIRE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FIREFIGHTERS ARE IN OUR PRAYERS AND MAKING SURE NO ONE GETS HURT AND EVERYONE IS SAFE IN REFERENCE TO THAT. APARENTALLY IT'S A VERY LARGE STRUCTURE FIRE AND WE'LL REACH OUT TO THE FIREFIGHTERS TO SEE HOW EVERYTHING WENT DOWN AND HOPEFULLY EVERYTHING WAS SAFE AND THEY HAVE A SUCCESSFUL CONCLUSION THERE. I HATE TO SEE LARGE STRUCTURE FIRES IN OUR CITY. ANOTHER -- THOSE ARE VERY, VERY DANGEROUS. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE TO QUESTIONS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION? COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. MR. RAEL, I JUST WONDER ABOUT THIS. WHEN THE CURRENT PRESIDENT WAS IN TOWN THIS WEEK, DID THE CITY ACQUIRE ANY EXPENSES? >> MR. PRESIDENT, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE BACKGROUND NOISE IS, BUT IT'S REALLY HARD TO HEAR THE QUESTION. WOULD YOU MIND REPEATING? >>COUN. LEWIS: IF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE ACQUIRED ANY EXPENSES DUE TO ANY TIME THAT WAS RELATED TO THE PRESIDENT'S VISIT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, THE FACILITY THAT WAS UTILIZED WAS RENTED BY THE ORGANIZING GROUP. THEY PAID THE FULL COST OF UTILIZING THE COMMUNITY CENTER. THEY ALSO PAID A SECURITY FEE FOR ANY DAMAGE THAT MIGHT BE CAUSED BY A LARGE EVENT OF THAT NATURE. THEY WERE FULLY COMPENSATED FOR THAT. ONE OF THE EVENTS HAPPENED AT CNM. THAT WAS ORGANIZED BY A DIFFERENT GROUP OF FOLKS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT COMPENSATION MIGHT HAVE BEEN FOR THAT PORTION OF THE VISIT. AND THE MOTORCADE AND POLICE PROTECTION THAT ALWAYS OCCURS WHENEVER THE PRESIDENT VISITS REGARDLESS OF PARTY, WAS AN EXPENSE THAT WAS INCURRED BY THE CITY AS WE HAVE ALL EVENTS THAT OCCUR WHENEVER THE PRESIDENT -- >>COUN. LEWIS: PLEASE -- POLICE COVERAGE DURING THE EVENT, APD, WE COVERED THAT EVENT? >> YES, WE DID. >>COUN. LEWIS: THERE WERE HOURS THAT APD SPENT DURING THAT TIME? >> THAT'S CORRECT. WE COVERED THOSE EXPENSES AS PART OF THE CITY'S PROTECTION. >>COUN. LEWIS: DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH? WERE THERE BARRICADES? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, THE BARRICADES AT THE FACILITY ITSELF WHERE THE EVENT WERE HELD WAS PAID THROUGH THE SECURITY DEPOSIT. >>COUN. LEWIS: WHO DOES THE SECURITY DEPOSIT GO TO? >> THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. >>COUN. LEWIS: HOW MUCH WAS IT? >> IT WAS CLOSE TO $4,000. >>COUN. LEWIS: THAT WOULDN'T COVER THE POLICE OFFICER'S TIME WITH THE MOTORCADE AND THE TIME THAT THE EVENT ALL DAY? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, THAT WOULD COVER THE USE OF THE FACILITY AND PREMISES AND ANY ADDITIONAL EXPENSES. >>COUN. LEWIS: AND ANY INTENTIONS ON INVOICING THE PRESIDENT'S CAMP PAIN ON THOSE EXPENSES? >> MR. PRESIDENT, THE PARTY THAT LEASED THE FACILITY WAS BILLED FOR THAT USE. >>COUN. LEWIS: THEY DIPT -- DIDN'T PAY FOR THE POLICE HOURS. >> NO. THE POLICE HOURS ARE EXPENSES INCURRED BY ANY CITY WHEN YOU HAVE A PRESIDENTIAL VISIT TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THE PRESIDENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: THEY WURPT . >>COUN. LEWIS: WE BILLED THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENT FOR THAT, CORRECT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, WE BILLED THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENT FOR THE USE OF THE FACILITY DOWNTOWN. AND THE EXPENSES RELATED TO THAT. WHICH WERE NEVER PAID. >>COUN. LEWIS: THAT WAS BILLED POLICE COVERAGE. THE BARRICADES AND THE POLICE COVERAGE AND THE USE OF APD'S TIME. YOU BILLED THEM FOR THAT AS WELL. >> WE BILLED THEM FOR THE OVERNIGHT STAY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. >>COUN. LEWIS: WHETHER THERE WAS OVERNIGHT OR NOT THERE WAS HOURS USED IN THE SAME WAY. I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE. THERE ARE DIFFERENCES BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S SOME VERY SPECIFIC SIMILARITIES. THE SAME THING AND SERVICES THAT APD PROVIDED FOR THE CURRENT PRESIDENT, PROVIDED THE SAME SERVICE FOR THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENT. I DON'T CARE IF WE INVOICE THEM OR NOT. WHAT I CARE ABOUT IS THE HYPOCRISY IT SEEMS LIKE WHEN WE TREAT IT DIFFERENTLY. >>COUN. BENTON: IF I COULD -- AS I RECALL, WASN'T THERE SOME ISSUE WITH THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENT WHERE HE WAS ASKED NOT TO HEADQUARTER DOWNTOWN BECAUSE HIS EVENTS WERE NOT DOWNTOWN. YET, HE DID AND WE WERE FORCED, THE CITY WAS FORCED TO EVACUATE CITY HALL BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT TRUMP AT THAT TIME, THAT'S WHAT I RECALL HE WAS BEING BILLED FOR. >>COUN. LEWIS: THERE ARE DIFFERENCES. >>COUN. BENTON: I'M ASKING MR. RAEL. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR, I BELIEVE THOSE WERE THE EXPENSES THAT THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION HAD BEEN BILLED FOR. THE INCONVENIENCE -- NOT THE INCONVENIENCE, FOR THE CLOSING DOWN OF DOWNTOWN AREA AS PART OF ANOTHER EVENT BEING HELD IN ANOTHER PART OF THE CITY. >>COUN. LEWIS: MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH WERE THERE EXPENSES ACQUIRED BY THIS LAST PRESIDENTIAL VISIT WHICH WAS A CAMPAIGN VETS. THE DEMOCRAT NATIONAL CONVENTION ACTUALLY PAID FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER. IT WASN'T A PRESIDENTIAL VISIT. IT WAS A CAMPAIGN VISIT. OTHERWISE THE PRESIDENT WOULD HAVE PAID FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER TOO. BUT THE DNC PAID FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER. WERE THERE OTHER EXPENSES ACQUIRED? HOW MUCH MONEY DID APD SPEND IF WE TOTAL UP ALL THOSE HOURS, HOW MANY POLICE OFFICERS, WHAT WOULD BE THE TOTAL SALARY WE VOOALITY -- HAVE TO SPEND OUT. AND WHY AREN'T WE INVOICING THEM? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE VISIT TO ALBUQUERQUE WAS AN OFFICIAL VISIT TO CNM TO TALK ABOUT. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO FINISH THE CONVERSATION? AND THAT WAS THE OFFICIAL VISIT FROM THE PRESIDENT. THE PORTION THAT WAS THE VISIT TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER, WAS PAID FOR BY THE ORGANIZING GROUP THAT PAID FOR THE USE OF CITY FACILITIES AND THE AS SOON AS -- ANCILLARY COST. THE PRESIDENT TO THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A COST BORNE BY THE LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. WE DID NOT BILL HIM FOR THE PORTION THAT WAS REQUIRED TO MOVE THE PRESIDENT SAFELY TO THE COMMUNITY. >>COUN. LEWIS: YOU ALL SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY TOTALLING UP ALL THOSE INVOICES AND EVERYTHING WE WANT TO REIMBURSE THE FORMER PRESIDENT. I DON'T CARE IF YOU INVOICE BIDEN'S CAMPAIGN OR NOT, OR WHAT YOU DO WITH THE PREVIOUS CAMPAIGN. DEFINITELY, A DIFFERENT STANDARD. AND AT A TIME WHEN THIS ADMINISTRATION IS PAYING 60,000 THERE FOR A BOOK TO BE WRITTEN ABOUT THE MAYOR, A POLITICAL BOOK TO BE WRITTEN ABOUT THE MAYOR, THAT TAXPAYERS SPENT $60,000. AND THE FIRST PART OF THE BOOK TALKS ABOUT THE WRITERS TUCKING KIDS IN BED AND TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO THEIR KIDS WHY THEY HAD TO WEAR MASKS. WHEN THE MAYOR TUCKED HIS KIDS IN. IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT ALL THE OTHER KIDS THAT WERE TUCKED IN AND WHY THEIR BUSINESSES WERE SHUT DOWN. WE HAVE 40 PICTURES OF THE MAYOR AND FAMILY AND WE JUSTIFY TAXPAYER DOLLARS ON THAT. I CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE OUTRAGES AMOUNT OF UNCLASSIFIED POSITIONS WE HAVE. BUT REALLY WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT IS THE UNBELIEVABLE AMOUNT OF WE CARE ABOUT THESE EXPENSES, BUT WE COULD CARELESS ABOUT THE TAXPAYER DOLLARS ON A BOOK OR HIRING UNCLASSIFIED EMPLOYEES WITHOUT JOB DESCRIPTIONS OR ANY KIND OF PROCESS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I THINK PEOPLE SEE THAT. THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I THINK THAT THE MAYOR'S RATINGS AREN'T TOO FAVORABLE RIGHT NOW. >>COUN. BENTON: OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION? COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. RAEL. MR. RAEL, SINCE THE POLICE CHIEF IS NOT HERE, I'LL ASK YOU. I STARTED THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN 1989. I BELIEVE IT WAS OCTOBER 10 OF 1989. WHEN I STARTED THAT DAY WITH THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT JUST SO HAPPENED THEY RESEARCHED THAT YEAR THAT I STARTED. AND THE POLICE ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT RESEARCHED THAT IN 1989 HE FOUND APD HAD 899 SWORN OFFICERS. AND OF THAT 640 OF THEM WERE ASSIGNED TO THREE AREA COMMANDS. TODAY, I RECEIVED A BID LIST FROM THE UNION OR FROM SOMEONE WHO SENT ME THE BID LIST TODAY, AND WHAT THEY IDENTIFIED IS THAT WE ONLY HAVE 297 OFFICERS ASSIGNED TO THE BID PLUS 29P2C, WHICH ARE NOT FULLY VESTED OFFICERS. THEY NEED TRAINING AND ARE UNDER PROBATION. ME HAVING EXPERIENCE WITH APD DEALING WITH WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE BID IS EVERY BID HAS AN INFLATED NUMBER WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE PROMOTIONS, DOES NOT INCLUDE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE BEEN ALREADY HIRED IN OTHER POSITIONS. SO THIS IS GOING TO DIMINISH DOWN TO BE UNDER 300 WHEN THE OFFICERS OR WHEN OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS DONE WITH THIS BID PROCESS. THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS IF -- WHAT IS FAILURE? IF THIS ISN'T. DO WE GO ALL THE WAY DOWN T 200 OFFICERS ? WHAT DOES FAILURE LOOK LIKE TO THIS ADMINISTRATION? BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK BACK AND SEE 640 OFFICERS WHEN I STARTED IN 1989. YOU DO THE MATH HOW MANY YEARS AGO WAS IT. WHAT ARE WE DOING TO ADJUST THIS SITUATION AND FIX IT? WE'RE THROWING MONEY AT THEM. WE ALREADY KNOW THAT. WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN WITH THE RETENTION BONUSES. WE KNOW THAT. BUT THERE'S GOT TO BE ANOTHER REASON WHY THESE OFFICERS ARE STILL NOT TAKING THE MONEY AND STAYING. AND WE AS THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE, CITY COUNCIL FUNDS IT, WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE CATASTROPHIC FAILURE AT APD. >> MR. PRESIDENT, IF YOU MIGHT, CHIEF MEDINA IS ON THE LINE. AND HE WOULD LOVE TO RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTION. >>COUN. BENTON: CHIEF, CAN YOU HEAR US? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, POLICING HAS CHANGED QUITE A BIT SINCE 1989. IN 1995 WHEN I ENTERED THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS CIP. THAT'S CRISIS INTERVENTION OFFICER. WE CREATED AN CRISIS INTERVENTION TEAM. THAT TAKES UP APPROXIMATELY 25 OFFICERS RIGHT NOW. THOSE TO OFFICERS USED TO BE PART OF FIELD SERVICES BUREAU. WHEN YOU LOOK AT HOMICIDE UNITS, WHEN I CAME IN 1995 HOMICIDE WAS EIGHT DETECTIVES. WE NOW HAVE 16 DETECTIVES. THOSE ADDITIONAL DETECTIVES OF EIGHT PLUS THE SUPERVISORS CAME FROM FIELD SERVICES BUREAU. WHEN I BECAME A SERGEANT IN 2003, I HAD A SQUAD OF 14 OFFICERS RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD REQUIRE TWO SERGEANTS RATHER THAN ONE. THAT EIGHT TO ONE RATIO AFFECTS THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT AND WHEN WE USED TO HAVE LARGE SQUADS WHERE ONE SERGEANT OVER SAW THEM NOW WE HAVE SEVERAL. BACK THEN WE HAD ABOUT FIVE, I THINK WE BOTH AGREE INTERNAL AFFAIRS INDIVIDUALS RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ABOUT 20. ALL THESE ADDITIONAL BODIES HAVE TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE. UNFORTUNATELY, THE FIELD TAKES THE BIGGEST HIT FROM THEM ALL. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT ALONE IS NOT FAILING AT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NATION WIDE WE'RE SEEING THE STRUGGLE WITH AGENCIES BEING ABLE TO KEEP UP RECRUITING AND RETAINING THE AMOUNT OF OFFICERS NEEDED. ANOTHER THING THAT OCCURRED IS SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT THE AMOUNT OF TIME THE OFFICERS SPEND ON PRIORITY ONE HAS DOUBLED. LITTLE MORE THAN DOUBLED. PRIORITY TWO DOUBLES. BACK IN THE TIME WHEN YOU AND I WERE FIELD OFFICERS, WE WOULD RESPOND TO CALL WITH AN INDIVIDUAL WITH TWO OFFICERS. RIGHT NOW UNDER OUR SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT YOU HAVE AN OFFICER THAT'S LETHAL, YOU HAVE AN OFFICER LESS LETHER AND A CIP OFFICER AND WE HAVE FIELD SERGEANTS. THAT DOUBLES THE AMOUNT OF OFFICERS NECESSARY. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE STRAINING THE RESOURCES OF THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT'S NOT JUST THE OFFICERS WE'VE LOST IN THE FIELD. BUT IT'S THE OFFICERS WE NEED TO DEDICATE TO EACH AND EVERY CALL. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I REALLY ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT IS THE FACT THAT WE ARE DOING THINGS TO OVERCOME THIS. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE POSITIONS AT THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SOME OF THEM UNCLASSIFIED , 25 WERE ADDITIONAL WERE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC SERVICE AIDS. WE TRY TO INCREASE THE RANKS OF PUBLIC SERVICE AIDS SO PEOPLE CAN HAVE RESPOND TO OTHER TYPES OF CALLS. WE'VE INCREASED THE NUMBER OF CRIME SCENE SPECIALIST. THAT WAS SOMETHING WE DIDN'T HAVE IN OUR 1995. WE HAVE INCREASED THE NUMBER OF CIVILIANS DOING INVESTIGATIONS. THAT'S SOMETHING WE DIDN'T DO IN THE PAST. WE'VE ADDED A REAL TIME CRIME CENTER WHICH IS GETTING MORE INFORMATION TO THE FIELD OFFICERS. THERE'S A VARIETY OF WAYS WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE THE NEEDS. ONE PLACE PEOPLE DON'T THINK ABOUT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: MR. PRESIDENT. CHIEF, WE'VE ALREADY HEARD THESE OVER AND OVER FOR THE LAST TEN MONTHS. WE'VE BEEN LISTENING TO THIS FOR TEN MONTHS ALREADY. LIKE I ASKED THE CAO, WHAT IS CONSIDERED FAILURE? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FIELD SERVICES OFFICERS. THE OFFICERS WHO RESPOND TO CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT GO TO OUR HOUSE, GO DO MY HOUSE, THAT GOES TO THE COUNCILOR'S HOUSES. EVERYBODY LISTENING. THOSE ARE THE OFFICERS WE NEED ON THE STREETS. THAT'S WHAT TAKING THE BIGGEST HIT, THAT'S WHERE WE NEED THE BIGGEST AMOUNT OF OFFICERS. IT MAKES SENSE IF YOU REDIRECT THE OFFICERS NEEDED MOST. THE WHOLE TIME I WAS A POLICE OFFICER, AND THIS WILL NEVER CHANGE. THE BACKBONE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS FIELD SERVICES. THAT'S WHERE WE NEED THE OFFICERS TO RESPOND TO THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE. THE CIT OFFICERS NOT HANDLING THE CALLS THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HANDLE. I CAN GO ON ABOUT THE BACKLOG IN CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT HAPPEN EVERY SINGLE DAY. I CAN GO ON ABOUT THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE DEALING WITH 911 CALLS WHO CALL POLICE NEEDING AN MERJ AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH OFFICERS TO SHOW UP. THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE NEED ANSWERS TO. WE ARE THE HIGHEST IN HOMICIDE, EVER, EVER, IN THE HISTORY OF ALBUQUERQUE. AND CAN SAY HOW MANY HOMICIDES ARE WE AT NOW? 110 111? WITH THAT STAT, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO OPEN THEIR EYES AND SAY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE. SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE. AND UNTIL WE GET SOME SORT OF SOLID CHANGE, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US IN HERE WANT TO HEAR THE SAME EXCUSES OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING FOR TEN MONTHS. SOMETHING BY NOW SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE. >>COUN. BENTON: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION? >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, DIRECTOR WELAND GAVE US TIME THAT THE 311 LINES WERE OPEN. I WONDER IF 242-COPS HAS TIME FRAMES WHERE THEY'RE ANSWERING CALLS OR IF IT'S 24 HOURS A DAY? >> MR. PRESIDENT, I'M NOT SURE IF CHIEF MEDINA HAS GONE OFF THE LINE. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT QUESTION TO ASK HIM. IS HE BACK? CHIEF? >> YES. COUNCILOR BENTON, COUNCILOR BASSAN, CAN YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION? I COULDN'T HEAR IT. SDMRN . >>COUN. BASSAN: IS 242-COPS OPEN 24 HOURS? OR IS IT CLOSED FROM TIME TO TIME? >> NO. 242-COPS IS ALWAYS OPEN. 911 IS ALWAYS OPEN. DEPUTY CHIEF GREGO CAN BE IN THE MEETING. BUT THEY HAVE SUCCESS IN 242-COPS. THERE'S STILL OUTLIERS OF CALLS THAT HOLD FOR EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME. HE HAS A GOOD UPDATE ON 242-COPS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, CHIEF. REAL QUICK ABOUT THE 311 HOURS. I'M ASSUMING IT'S THE INTENTION TO HAVE THAT BECOME 24-7 SOMEDAY? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, LET ME VISIT WITH THE -- WHO MANAGES THE ORGANIZATION. I KNOW THAT ON WEEKENDS THE CALL VOLUMES ARE NOT THE SAME AS THEY ARE DURING THE WEEK. IT'S A WAY TO MANAGE RESOURCE AND GET INFORMATION TO FOLKS. WE'LL GET BACK WITH YOU WITH A MORE SOLID ANSWER. >>COUN. BASSAN: THE IMPETUS BEHIND THIS IS THEY CALLED 242-COPS AND IT WAS NOT OPEN. MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD IT. I DON'T KNOW WHERE AND HOW THE CONFUSE FUSION WAS. 242-COPS AND 911 ANSWER 24-7. >>COUN. BENTON: COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR PIERCE. HI DIRECTOR. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS ABILITY THE CITY'S PURCHASE ON THE SURE STAY HOTEL AT HOTEL CIRCLE. CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME THE PLAN FOR THAT PROPERTY? AND THE STATUS OF THE PURCHASE. >> YES, COUNCILOR BENTON, COUNCILOR GROUT. RIGHT NOW, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF NEGOTIATING A PURCHASE AGREEMENT WITH THAT OWNER. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. AND WHAT ARE THE PLANS FOR THAT PROPERTY? >> WELL, AGAIN, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF NEGOTIATING THAT PURCHASE. THE IDEA IS THAT WOULD BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. I'M HEARING A LOT OF CONCERNS FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS. ARE YOU PLANNING A COMMUNITY MEETING? AND IF SO, WHEN? >> COUNCILOR BENTON, COUNCILOR GROUT YES. WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING BROADLY ABOUT THE STRATEGY ABOUT REMODELING REFURBISHING HOTELS TO REALLY HELP ADDRESS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEEDS IN THE COMMUNITY. WE WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH. IT WOULDN'T BE SPECIFIC TO SURE STAY, BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT AND GIVE EXAMPLES OF WHERE THIS HAS BEEN A REALLY EFFECTIVE STRATEGY IN OTHER COMMUNITIES AND HOW IT HELP US ADDRESS OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING CRISIS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW WHEN AND LET ME KNOW SO I CAN HELP YOU GET THE WORD OUT TO LET AS MANY PEOPLE KNOW AS POSSIBLE SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. >> COUNCILOR BENTON, COUNCILOR GROUT ABSOLUTELY. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE TO THE JOURNAL. COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE OCTOBER 17 JOURNAL. >>COUN. BENTON: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF THE JOURNAL. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES. WE'LL MOVE TO COMMUNICATIONS AND INTRODUCTIONS. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION? I MOVE THAT THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR THE PURPOSE OF PLACING EC168 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. IT'S AUTHORIZING THE PROFESSIONAL TECHNICAL AGREEMENT WITH ALBUQUERQUE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND PROVIDE SUBSTANCE ABUSE TREATMENT. THIS WILL NEED A TWO-THIRDS MAJORITY VOTE. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'LL MOVE ON. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING EC182 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. IT'S LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND VIZIONZ-SANKOFA. NEEDS TWO-THIRDS VOTE FOR SUSPENSION OF THE RULES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE LETTER. >>COUN. BENTON: THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. WE'LL MOVE TO REPORTS FROM COMMITTEES. COUNCILOR DAVIS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THE FINANCE AND GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS COMMITTEE MET ON MONDAY OCTOBER 24 AND REPORTED THE FOLLOWING. EC140 APPROVED. EC136, 142, 143, OC17 AND 18 RECEIPT BE NOTED. O47, 048, R70, AND O-44 WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION AS AMENDED. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS REPORT. >>COUN. BENTON: THERE'S A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE FGO COMMITTEE REPORT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAYS YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES. WE'LL MOVE TO DEFERRALS AND WITHDRAWALS. ANY DEFERRALS AT THIS TIME? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES, MR. PRESIDENT. YES, MR. PRESIDENT, I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO DEFER O-43 SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES PERMITTING FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION AND THE CO-SPONSOR IS NOT HERE. I THINK THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO SPEAK ON IT AND WE'LL HEAR THEM. >>COUN. BENTON: OKAY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: DEFER UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING. >>COUN. BENTON: PROCEDURALLY, SHOULD WE MOVE THE DEFERRAL AFTER THE SPEAKERS? >> IF YOU PLAN TO LISTEN TO THE SPEAKERS TONIGHT, YOU WOULD WANT TO CALL THE BILL AND DEFER AT THAT TIME. IF YOU DEFER NOW IT TAKES IT OFF THE AGENDA AND THE SPEAKERS WOULDN'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. THERE ARE THREE PEOPLE SIGNED UP FOR THAT ON ZOOM. >>COUN. BENTON: WE'LL GO WITH THE DEFERRAL AND WE'LL HEAR FROM THOSE FOLKS WHEN THAT ITEM COMES UP. THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE. RIGHT? >> IF THAT'S THE WAY YOU WANT TO DO IT. I SUGGEST YOU ACTUALLY BRING THE BILL UP, MOVE IT, HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE THAT IS MORE CONSISTENT WHEN WE HAVE A DEFERRAL. >>COUN. BENTON: IS THAT ALL RIGHT COUNCILOR? GOOD. ANY OTHER DEFERRALS? SEEING NONE. WE'LL MOVE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. ANY CHANGES TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE. COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. >>COUN. BENTON: THERE'S A SECOND. AND DID YOU WANT -- SECOND FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. ANY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES. WE'LL GO TO ANNOUNCEMENTS. COUNCILOR DAVIS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, THERE'S AFIANCE AND GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS MEETING ON MONDAY NOVEMBER 14 AT 5 P.M. THIS WILL BE VIA ZOOM VIDEO CONFERENCE. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING ON TUESDAY NOVEMBER 15 AT 5 P.M. VIA ZOOM VIDEO CONFERENCE. >>COUN. BENTON: COUNCILOR JONES, I'LL READ THIS FOR HER. THERE'S A LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING ON WEDNESDAY NOVEMBER 16 AT 5 P.M. VIA ZOOM VIDEO CONFERENCE. AND THE LAST MEETING FOR NOVEMBER 21, DECEMBER 5, AND DECEMBER 19 WILL BE VIRTUAL AND HELD AT 5 P.M. VIA ZOOM VID CROW -- VIDEO CONFERENCE. THE COUNCIL WILL NOW TAKE A DINNER BREAK. >>COUN. BENTON: WE'LL START WITH UNDER APPROVALS, EC168. THIS IS THE AUTHORIZATION OF SUPPLEMENT PROFESSIONAL TECHNICAL AGREEMENT WITH ALBUQUERQUE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TO PROVIDE SUBSTANCE USE TREATMENT. I MOVE APPROVAL. THERE'S A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BASSAN. ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS, COUNCILORS, ON THIS TECHNICAL AGREEMENT? SEEING NONE. WE'LL GO TO A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. YES. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM B IS EC182 THE LEASE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND VIZIONZ-SANKOFA. I MOVE APPROVAL. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM COUNCILOR DAVIS. ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. YES. ANY OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'LL MOVE TO FINAL ACTIONS. WE'RE GOING TO JUGGLE THIS JUST A LITTLE BIT. THE FIRST ONE IS I.A -- ITEM A AND THEN GO TO ITEM C. SO SOME OF THE FRIENDS OF ONE DEPARTMENT CAN BE HERE AND LEAVE. THE FIRST ONE IS COUNCILOR SANCHEZ AND COUNCILOR JONES. O-43. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WANTED TO HEAR FOLKS THAT WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS AMENDMENT AND WE'LL VOTE TO DEFER. >>COUN. BENTON: FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES, YOU WANT TO MOVE THE BILL? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THAT'S CORRECT. >>COUN. BENTON: I'LL SECOND TAT -- THAT FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES. WE HAVE PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE AMENDMENTS AS WELL, COUNCILOR. THAT WILL BE UP TO YOU WHETHER YOU WANT TO MOVE THOSE. WE'LL GO TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> FIRST WE HAVE KAREN, FOLLOWED BY PETER. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS. I WANTED TO WEIGH IN WITH SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE PROPOSED SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES OPERATOR'S PERMIT ORDINANCE. FIRST, THERE SHOULD BE NO REQUIREMENT FOR THE OPERATOR TO PROVIDE ON-SITE SERVICES OTHER THAN FOOD AND SANITARY PROVISIONS. HEALTH CARE SERVICES AND SOCIAL SERVICES INCLUDING CASE MANAGEMENT CAN BE BROUGHT TO THE SITE BY ONE OR MORE ORGANIZATIONS VIA THEIR OWN STAFF DOING OUTREACH TO THE SITE. SECOND, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE STATEMENT THAT PERSONS WITH CRIMINAL BACKGROUNDS WILL BE DENIED A SAFE OUTDOOR SPACE OPERATOR'S PERMIT. BY CHANGING THE WORDS WILL BE DENIED TO MAY BE DENIED IN AN AMENDMENT WOULD ALLOW EACH PERSON'S CRIMINAL RECORD TO BE EVALUATED AS TO WHETHER IT SHOULD PROHIBIT THE PERSON FROM GETTING THE PERMIT. SO A CONVICTED SEX OFFENDER WILL BE DISQUALIFIED OR SOMEONE CONVICTED OF VIOLENT ASSAULT. BUT SOMEONE CONVICTED OF DRUG POSSESSION, SHOPLIFTING, OR CHARGES THAT RESULTED AFTER THE PERSON WAS TRAFFICKED WOULD NOT PRIB -- PROHIBIT THEM. THERE SHOULD BE NO REQUIREMENT THAT THE OPERATOR HAS ANY EXPERIENCE MANAGING AN ORGANIZATION. IT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT THE OPERATOR HAS ACTUAL EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AS A STAFF MEMBER OR EXPERIENCED VOLUNTEER. CHANGING THE WORD AND TO AND/OR WOULD MAKE THAT CLEAR. PLEASE CONSIDER THESE AMENDMENTS BEFORE VOTING ON THIS ORDINANCE. THANK YOU. >> PETER FOLLOWED BY RACHEL. >> GOOD EVENING. AS PART OF PARKLAND HILLS NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES AT OR ADJACENT TO THE GIBSON HEALTH HUB. THE POTENTIAL OF LOCATING A SAFE OUTDOOR SPACE BY THE HEALTH HUB WHICH WOULD COVER 1,000 CLIENTS DAILY PREVENTS US FROM MEETING TRAUMA-INFORMED SERVICES. AS WAS TOLD BOO -- TOO THE CITY COUNCIL EARLIER, YOUR CAPACITY IS NO MORE THAN 200. IF WE WANT A FACILITY TO SERVE THESE MOST VULNERABLE CITY RESIDENTS WHILE NOT OVERWHELMING OUR SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS, WE NEED TO CAREFULLY REVIEW THE LOCATIONS THAT WE PROVIDE SERVICES TO THE UNHOUSED AND EXCLUDE THE GIBSON HEALTH HUB AS AN ACCEPTED LOCATION FOR SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. >> RACHEL. >> COUNCILOR BENTON, COUNCILORS, AS PRESIDENT OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION OF ONE OF THE GIBSON NEIGHBORS, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OF THE SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES OUT OR ADJACENT TO THIS FACILITY. WAS WAS SAID, THIS FACILITY WHICH HAS BEEN REPORTED TO SERVE UP TO 1,000 CLIENTS PER DAY WOULD NOT PROVIDE A TRAUMA-INFORMED SAFE SPACE WHICH CAROL PIERCE DEFINED AS 200 PEOPLE MAXIMUM AND WHICH WOULD FURTHER OVERBURDEN THE AREA SURROUNDING GATEWAY AND THE COMMUNITY. WHICH HAS OVER 50% OF SERVICES. EARLY ON THE CITY STATED THERE WOULD NOT BE ENCAMPMENTS ON THE GIBSON HEALTH HUB PROPERTY BUT DURING GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD AGREEMENT DISCUSSIONS THE CITY HAS BEEN RESISTANT TO INCLUDE A PROVISION TO EXCLUDE SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES AT OR NEAR THE GIBSON SITE. FOR THESE REASONS WE REQUEST INCLUDING A PROVISION EXCLUDING SAFE OUTDOOR SPACES AT OR ADJACENT TO GIBSON HEALTH HUB. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BENTON: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, WE'RE BACK WITH YOU FOR YOUR DEFERRAL OR FOR CHOOSING TO MOVE THE AMENDMENTS? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE DISCUSSION WITH THIS AS WE MOVE FORWARD. AND WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DEFER. >>COUN. BENTON: THERE'S A MOTION FOR DEFERRAL, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BASSAN. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, I BELIEVE AN AMENDMENT THAT I HAD BROUGHT UP MADE ITS WAY INTO THE iPAD. I WON'T MOVE THAT TONIGHT. IT'S MEANT TO BE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. I WILL WORK WITH COUNCILOR SANCHEZ ON THAT THE NEXT TIME WE SEE THE BILL. IF WE DECIDE TO ADD THAT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, CAN WE CLARIFY THAT THE MOTION WAS FOR A DEFERRAL TO NOB -- NOVEMBER 21? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THAT'S CORRECT. >>COUN. BENTON: ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? MOTION FOR DEFERRAL UNTIL THE 21st. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. ANYONE OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM C, THIS IS R-72. DIRECTING THE CITY NOT APPROVE ANY SITE PLAN FOR THE LOW-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AT 3525 4th STREET KNOWN AS THE BROWN PROPERTY THAT IS INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS PROPOSED WITH THE REST FOR PROPOSAL PROCESS. I MOVE A DUE PASS. THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR DAVIS. AND WE DID HAVE AN ADDITIONAL AMENDMENT. THERE WAS ONE AMENDMENT PASSED PREVIOUSLY TO THIS BILL. THERE WAS ONE IN THE PACKET. I'M NOT GOING TO MOVE THAT AMENDMENT. JUST FOR THE INFORMATION OF ANYONE CONCERNED. I THINK WE'VE GOT TO A POINT WHERE THE DEVELOPER AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAVE FELT COMFORTABLE WITH THE WAY THE PROCESS FOR DESIGN MOVING FORWARD HAS BEEN STATED. AND THE BILL AS IT NOW STANDS AS AMENDED. WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS MICHELLE. FOLLOWED BY HOLLY. >> COUNCILOR BENTON, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, SINCE THERE'S NOTHING FOR DISCUSSION THIS EVENING AND THERE'S NOTHING TO DISCUSS ON THIS MOTION I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY. WE LOOKED FORWARD MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT AND WORKING TO SECURE THE NEED OF FINANCING SO WE WOULD LIKE THE ABILITY TO START MOVING ON AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU. >> HOLLY FOLLOWED BY CHRIS. >> COUNCILOR BENTON, FELLOW COUNCILORS, I WOULD ECHO WHAT MICHELLE JUST SAID. WE'RE EXCITED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND WE APPRECIATE YOU GUYS PASSING THIS AND ALLOWING US TO MOVE FORWARD. IT'S GOING TO BE A BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY WITH LOTS OF FUN AND EXCITING THINGS. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU. >> CHRIS FOLLOWED BY TAD. >> THANK YOU. I'M THE TALL ONE OF ALL THE THREE. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THIS. THIS IS A VERY CHALLENGING PROJECT. IT GOES FROM HIGHER DENSITY COMMERCIAL LIVE-WORK AND TO THE SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE DONE VERY DIFFICULT PROJECTS IN THE PAST WITH COUNCILOR BENTON. THAT'S HELPED FACILITATE THE GROCERY STORE DOWNTOWN AND THE IMPERIAL BUILDING THAT HAD BEEN THE GROCERY STORE DOWNTOWN IN 50 YEARS. WORKING TOGETHER WE'RE ABLE TO GET THAT DONE. THE OTHER THING THAT JUST HAPPENED QUITE RECENTLY IS THE FIRST APARTMENT COMPLEX OF 42 UNIT FOR THE UNHOUSED. THAT WAS ANOTHER JOINT EFFORT. THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE. IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT BUT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO POWER THROUGH THESE THINGS IN THE PAST. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO DOING THAT IN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU. AND THANKS TO THE HOUSING. WE DO HAVE A GREAT PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM OVER THE YEARS. AND THIS IS A PARTICULARLY COMPLEX PROJECT OF THE TWO DIFFERENT HOUSING THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN PUT TOGETHER IN A PROJECT LIKE THIS IN THE PAST. THAT'S WHAT INSTIGATED A LOT OF DISCOMFORT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ON MY PART. I THINK WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE MOVING FORWARD. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD EVERYTHING CORRECTLY. YOU'RE NOT MOVING R-72? >>COUN. BENTON: WE DID MOVE R-72. IT'S ON THE FLOOR FOR APPROVAL. THE AMENDMENT THAT WAS IN THE PACKET IS NOT BEING MOVED. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: OKAY. >> FINALLY, TAD. >>COUN. BENTON: WE DO HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER. I ONLY HAD THREE. BUT THERE'S ANOTHER. PLEASE. >> WELL, I'M WONDERING WHAT IS THE INTEREST THAT DEBBIE O'MALLEY HAS WITH ISAAC BENTON? DEBBIE O'MALLEY IS COMMISSIONER. WHAT IS IT SHE HAS INTEREST IN THIS PROJECT? WHAT KIND OF INTEREST DOES HE HAVE IN THIS PROJECT? THAT IS ONE ISSUE. THERE IS, OF COURSE, I'M SURE I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MUCH HOUSING RECEIVING FOR THIS PROJECT FROM THE CITY. TO BUILD THIS PROJECT. SO, ANYWAY, THERE'S SO MANY QUESTIONS. I'M SURE PEOPLE ARE IN GUEST HOUSING. THEY SHOULD CONSIDER FIRST ALL THESE PEOPLE WITH MENTAL HEALTH, TAKE THEM FROM THE STREET. ARE THEY DOING THAT? NO, THEY HELP PEOPLE -- I KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. I KNOW A LOT OF MANY PEOPLE THAT -- ANYWAY. THAT IS MY COMMENT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BENTON: ON ZOOM? >> THEY DID NOT APPEAR, SIR. >>COUN. BENTON: OKAY. NEITHER OF THOSE PERSONS HAVE JOINED UP. SO WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL. ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I WANT TO CLARIFY TOO, EVERYBODY'S IN AGREEMENT NOW WITH THIS BILL? I KNOW WE LEFT IT, BUT EVERYBODY HAS BEEN WORKING IN THE MEANTIME AND NOW -- >>COUN. BENTON: RIGHT. >>COUN. BASSAN: IS THAT BETWEEN YES HOUSING AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND GROUPS? >>COUN. BENTON: RIGHT. THE LOW-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THERE WAS THE DEVELOPER THAT CAME UP WITH DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S GOING TO BE DOWN THE ROAD AFTER WE BUILD THE BIG PROJECT IN THE FRONT. THE NEIGHBORHOOD GOT INVOLVED WITH THAT AND MADE SUGGESTIONS AND EVERYBODY SEEMS TO BE ON BOARD WITH THOSE DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT WILL APPLY TO ANY FUTURE GUIDELINE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY PRODUCT. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BENTON: COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT YES HOUSING IS A PART OF THIS. I REALLY HAVE SOME CONCERNS. I THINK I ADDRESSED THEM AT THE LAST MEETING. I ASKED HOW FREQUENT HAVE COUNCIL'S GOTTEN INVOLVED MOVING THE GOAL POST AT THE LAST MOMENT. I STILL HAVE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS THAT IF A COUNCILOR DOESN'T LIKE SOMETHING AFTER SOMETHING HAS BEEN APPROVED AND AN APPLICANT HAS WENT THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS THAT GOAL POST HAS CHANGED. THIS IS TYPICAL OF HOW WE DO THINGS OR IS IT OUT OF CHARACTER FOR COUNCIL? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, I'LL ECHO WHAT I SAID LAST MEETING WHICH IS MY TIME ON COUNCIL WHICH IS SEVEN YEARS. I HAVEN'T SEEN A RESOLUTION QUITE LIKE THIS COME FORWARD BEFORE. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME FOR MY TIME HERE. >>COUN. BENTON: I'D LIKE TO ANSWER THAT, COUNCILOR. I THINK IT'S DIRECTED AT ME AND MY ROLE IN THIS PROJECT. AND MY ROLE IN THIS PROJECT GOES BACK EIGHT OR TEN YEARS NOW. PRIOR TO MY TIME, OR WHEN IT WAS GOING TO BE CLEAR THAT IT WAS TEN YEARS BECAUSE IT WAS AROUND THE TIME IT WAS CLEAR THAT THE DISTRICT LINES WERE GOING TO CHANGE AND I WAS GOING TO BE THE COUNCILOR FOR THIS PART OF THE NORTH VALLEY ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE RIVER. I'M LONG-TIME SUPPORTER OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND I WAS RESPONDING TO MY CONSTITUENTS. THERE'S A VERY LENGTHY NEIGHBORHOOD INVOLVEMENT PROCESS THAT CERTAINLY TOOK A LOT OF TIME. THAT IS SOMETHING MY CONSTITUENTS DEMANDED. I STOOD UP FOR THEM AND CONTINUE TO STAND UP FOR THEM. WITH REGARD TO THE SINGLE-FAMILY PRODUCT. IT'S NOT THE SAME THING PROPOSED. IT'S NOT ALL SIGNED, SEALED AND DELIVERED. IT'S NOT THE SAME THING PROPOSED BECAUSE AT THE TIME WE PUT THIS OUT FOR PROPOSALS AND DEVELOPERS AND THERE WAS SUCCESSFUL RESPONDENT, THE SINGLE FAMILY COMPONENT, THE BARK PART OF THE SITE WAS PROPOSED DIFFERENTLY THAN WHAT IS GOING TO BE BUILT. THAT TO ME, AND THE AFFORDABILITY OF THE PRODUCT IS BEING PROPOSED TO BE TAKEN AWAY. THAT'S NOT ADDRESSED IN THIS BILL. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS IN DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND THE DEPARTMENT AND I'M NOT PART OF THAT DISCUSSION. WHAT I WAS INVOLVED IN IS WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS CONCERNED WITH THE DESIGN QUALITY OF THE PROJECT THAT WILL FOLLOW THE LOW INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT PRODUCT BEING CONSTRUCTED. AND I STAND BY MY INVOLVEMENT ON BEHALF OF MICONSTITUENTS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE, MR. PRESIDENT. I STILL HAVE THAT CONCERN. BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABILITY AND BUILDING HOUSES AND LOTS OF PEOPLE HERE TALKING ABOUT THAT TODAY, I JUST AM CONCERNED THAT WHEN WE'RE USING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO GO BACK AFTER THE APPLICANT HAS RESPONDED TO AN RFP AND DID ALL THE THINGS THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO AND GO BACK, THAT'S NOT VERY CONSISTENT. AND THAT'S NOT SUPPORTIVE OF INCREASING THE HOUSING STOCK. I'M GLAD TO HEAR THERE'S A CONSENSESIS ON THIS. AND YOU HAVE WORKED THROUGH SOME OF THE ISSUES. I KNOW THAT COSTS MONEY AND TIME AND STAFF EFFORT TO CONTINUE THE PROCESS AS YOU MOVE ALONG. I JUST SUPPORT THE BILL BUT I'MUATE PLEASED WITH IT -- I'M NOT PLEASED WITH IT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I JUST WANTED TO ASK MS. SCHULZ A QUESTION. THE WAY I'M READING THE BILL IT SAYS THE CITY NOT APPROVE THE SITE PLAN. AM I NOT UNDERSTANDING? IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN THAT? >> SURE. THE TITLE SAYS THAT IT'S DIRECTING THE CITY NOT APPROVE ANY SITE PLANS AT LOW-DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AT ADDRESS. THAT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE PROPOSED IN THE RFP PROCESS. SO THERE'S A CONDITION ON THERE THAT A SITE PLAN CAN BE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AS LONG AS IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPOSER SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE RFP PROCESS LAST YEAR. THE ATTACHMENT AND AMENDMENT THAT THIS BODY PASSED AT THE LAST MEETING SUBMITS A SET OF DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT BRING THE PROPOSAL CLOSER TO WHAT THE RFP PROPOSED LAST YEAR. WITH THE CORRECT DESIGN GUIDELINES IN PLACE THAT THE BODY APPROVED AT THE LAST MEETING THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH APPROVING A SITE PLAN AS LONG AS IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE ATTACHMENT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: JUST TO CLARIFY, EVERYBODY IS IN AGREEMENT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM MEETING WITH BOTH COUNCILOR BENTON, THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS CONCERNED, AND YES HOUSING EVERYONE SIN -- IS IN AGREEMENT WITH THE AMENDMENT THAT PASSED LAST MEETING. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. >>COUN. BENTON: SEEING NO OTHER QUESTIONS, WE'LL MOVE TO A VOTE. AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE CONCERNED. IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS. AND A VERY ROBUST COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND WITH ALL THAT COMES WITH THAT AND HOPEFULLY IT'S ALL GOOD. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. WE'LL GO TO A VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF RR-72 SAY YES ANDRIES YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'LL MOVE TO ITEM B. COUNCILOR PEÑA AND COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. PEÑA: YOU WANT ME TO TAKE IT? THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST PUT A MINT IN MY MOUTH. EXCUSE ME FOR ONE SECOND. O-47 IS AMENDING A2-7211 THE TRANSIT FARES ORDINANCE TO IMPROVE TRANSIT ACCESS TO ALLOW PERSONS WHILE PROVIDING ACCOUNT ABILITY CREATES A NEW SECTION TO INCLUDE THE ZERO FARE PILOT PROJECT TO CONCLUDE AND CREATING SECTION TO THE ORDINANCE TO CREATE AN OPERATING FUND FOR MOTOR COACH TRANSIT UP OPERATOR FOR ISSUING TRANSIT PASSES REQUIRING THE SUDDY TO DEVELOP A MANAGEMENT PROGRAM OF A LONG-TERM SECURITY PLAN FOR THE OPERATIONS OF THE FACILITIES OF THE ALBUQUERQUE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT, SECURITY, INCIDENT RESPONSE, PLANS FROM QUARTERLY REPORTING OF SECURITY CALLS FOR SERVICE AND THE MAKING OF APPROPRIATION AND MOVE A DUE PASS. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANT TO HANDLE THIS, MR. PRESIDENT, WE DO HAVE A FLOOR SUBSTITUTE WE CAN MOVE THE SUBSTITUTE FIRST? >>COUN. BENTON: IS THERE A SECOND FOR THE DUE PASS? COUNCILOR LEWIS. YES, THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE IS IN THE iPADS. YOU CAN MOVE THAT AT THIS POINT. >>COUN. PEÑA: I MOVE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE O-47. >>COUN. BENTON: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BASSAN. AND WE'LL NEED A VOTE FOR THE FLOOR SUB. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. ANY OPPOSED? AND THAT PASSES. SO, WE'RE NOW BACK ON THE BILL AS SUBSTITUTED. I THINK WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT. HOW WOULD THE SPONSORS LIKE TO PROCEED? >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT -- DID YOU WANT -- OKAY, MR. PRESIDENT WE HAVE STAFF TO EXPLAIN THE BILL. I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT THERE WAS PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THE REMOVING IT. THE FREE FARE WAS GOING TO EXPIRE DECEMBER 30, 2022. AT THAT POINT WE HAD TO DO SOMETHING. I HAD PUT FORWARD A RESOLUTION WHICH CALLS FOR A SAFETY PLAN WHICH IS STILL IN THE QUEUE IT'S GOING TO BE COMING UP IN FRONT OF COUNCIL. THEN COUNCILOR LEWIS CONTACTED ME AND SAID THAT BASED ON SOME OF THE SECURITY CONCERNS HE WAS PROPOSING AN ORD NONES AND HE TALKED TO ME ABOUT THE ORDINANCE. TALK ABOUT COMPROMISE IN THIS DAY AND TIME AND WE'RE RIGHT ON THE EVE OF AN ELECTION TOMORROW, I JUST REALLY APPRECIATE COUNCILOR LEWIS AND HIS WILLINGNESS TO WORK AND TRY TO MAKE THIS BILL A GOOD BILL THAT IS FAIR AND IT ADDRESSES THE ISSUE. WE MET WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE. WE RODE THE BUS. WE TALKED WITH PEOPLE ON THE BUS. AND JUST REALLY TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT -- IT'S NOT ACCURATE TO SAY WE'RE DOING AWAY WITH THE FREE FARE. BUZZ -- BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL THERE. I CAN DEFER TO THE STAFF TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS IN THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE. THAT MIGHT BE THE BEST THING TO DO NOW. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. YES, THE FLOOR -- DO YOU WANT ME TO GO OVER THE REGULAR BILL AND FLOOR SUBSTITUTE? >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, IF YOU WOULD A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE OVERALL BILL AND THE CHANGES THE AMENDMENTS PROVIDES. AND A LOT REFLECTED IN THIS FLOOR SUBSTITUTE IS BECAUSE OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND EMAILS AND DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD WITH THE DEPARTMENT AND THE PUBLIC. FOR EXAMPLE, THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE STUDY THAT WAS DONE AND THE ACCURACY OF THE INCREASE IN CALLS TO SERVICE. THERE'S THIS BIT OF FLOOR AMENDMENT THAT ADDRESSES THOUGHT MOVING FORWARD IN THE NEXT YEAR AND WE'LL CHANGE SOME OF THE GATHERING OF INFORMATION. ALSO IT REALLY WORK WITHES HARD TO REMOVE ANY KIND OF BARRIER TO ANYONE WHO WANTS A FREE BUS PASS AND GETS VERY SPECIFIC ON STUDENT I.D.S AND VETERAN I.D. AND MILITARY AND THAT'S WHY IT'S A LONG BILL BECAUSE WE WANTED TO BE COMPREHENSIVE AND REMOVE ANY BIRRIER POSSIBLE AND THINK OF THOSE THINGS THROUGH. I GOT IT STARTED. TOM, IF YOU WOULD SUMMARIZE THAT I'D APPRECIATE IT. >> COUNCILORS, JUST GOING THEBLET POINTS IN THE WRITE UP. THE SUMMARY OF THE ORIGINAL BILL, THAT BILL CONCLUDED THE FREE FARE PROGRAM AND HAD A POST-MORTEM REPORT. IT CONCLUDED THE FREE FARE AS DECEMBER 31st WHICH WAS AN EARLY CONCLUSION TO THE PILOT. I UNDERSTAND THE PILOT IS SCHEDULED TO GO UNTIL JUNE 30, 2023. THAT'S WHAT THE ORIGINAL BILL DID. IT THEN CREATED A NEW FARE STRUCTURE. UNDER THAT FARE STRUCTURE WHAT IT DID WAS ALLOWED CHILDREN UNDER THE AGES OF 5 TO BE ON BOARD FREE. ALSO I HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH THAT. IT ALSO CREATED A SYSTEM WHERE -- AND I APOLOGIZE, QUICKLY GO OVER. STUDENTS -- I HAVE THE WRONG BILL. CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF 5 RIDE FREE AND FROM THERE THERE'S A DISTRIBUTION OF PASSES. EVERYBODY ELSE WOULD EITHER HAVE TO PAY THE DOLLAR FARE. IT WHERED -- WOULD REINSTITUTE THE FARE. AT THAT TIME IT'S A DOLLAR FOR SUN VAN AND ABQ RIDE. AS PREVIOUS TO THE SYSTEM -- ZERO FARE PILOT IT WAS TWO DOLLARS FOR THE SUN VAN AND ONE FOR ALBUQUERQUE RIDE. THEN THERE'S A UNIVERSAL PASS AND THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO ALL PEOPLE. THEY WOULD HAVE IT FOR 36-MONTH TERM. THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO DOWN AND WOULD HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE TO HAVE THE PASS ISSUES. IN OTHER WORDS THEY GO TO A DISTRIBUOR OF TRANSIT AND HAVE THE PASS ISSUES TO THEM AND THERE WOULD BE AN APPLICATION AND IDENTIFY SAYING THIS IS WHERE I LIVE AND THIS IS WHERE MY DATE AND BIRTH AND NAME. STUFF LIKE THAT. WHATEVER TRANSIT DETERMINED WAS THE MOST APPROPRIATE INFORMATION THEY NEEDED. FROM THERE, THEY WOULD HAVE THE 36 MONTH PASS. THE EXPERIMENTAL FARES SUCH AS WITH TRYING THE NEW PROGRAM COULD BE PUT INTO PLACE. THAT WAS WHAT THAT SYSTEM DID. IT THEN ENCOURAGES THE DEPARTMENT TO WORK WITH OTHER DEPARTMENTS OR OTHER AGENCIES LIKE SOCIAL SERVICE AGENCIES AND LIBRARIES OR WHATEVER AGENCIES TO HELP BECOME DISTRIBUTORS OF THE PASSES TO MAKE IT AS UNIVERSAL AS POSSIBLE TO GET THE PASS. THEN WITH THAT, IT ALSO INSTRUCTED THE DEPARTMENT TO WORK TO SEE IF THEY GET TO A POINT WHERE THEY CAN BRING IN NEW TECHNOLOGY. SO AS TIME WENT ON THE PASSES CAN BE READ ON THE BUS OR GET A PASS. THAT WAS IT. FROM THERE, THE BILL WENT ON TO ADDRESS TWO OTHER MAJOR ISSUES. THE OTHER ONE WAS TO TRY TO ADDRESS THE BUS DRIVER SHORTAGE. IT TRIED TO SAY WHATEVER FARES ARE COLLECTED IF THAT CAN GO TOWARD THE SALARIES FOR THE DRIVERS. WHAT THAT DOES IS CREATE A NEW STRATEGY WITHIN THE BUDGET. FOR INSTANCE, WHEN YOU PASS THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET, THAT'S A STRATEGY. IT CREATES A STRATEGY SPECIFIC TO TRANSIT. I BELIEVE THEY HAVE STRATEGY 642 FOR THE GENERAL FUND. THEN WITH THAT, IT INTRODUCED THE BILL R70 THAT COUNCILOR PEÑA HAD INTRODUCED INTO THEFIANCE AND OPERATIONS COMMITTEE. IT REQUESTED A SHORT-TERM TACTICAL PLAN BE CREATED BETWEEN METRO SECURITY WHO HAS RIGHT NOW CHARGE OVER TRANSIT SECURITY, THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND ALBUQUERQUE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT. THEY COME TOGETHER, CREATE A TACTICAL PLAN WITHIN 30 DAYS. THE GOAL WAS TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THERE'S IMPROVED COMMUNICATION AND COORDINATION BETWEEN THESE AGENCIES. BASICALLY, IF METRO SECURITY NEEDED HELP THEY COULD EITHER REACH OUT TO APD AND BE SOMEWHAT ENSURED OF APD RESPONSE OR REACH OUT TO ACS AND ME ENSURED THEIR HELP TO THE SITUATION. THAT WAS THAT. AND IT ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT THAT THE TRANSIT BEGIN LOOKING AT WHAT THEY CALL A NO-RIDE LIST. WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS LOOK AT PEOPLE CONVICTED OR CITED FOR A CRIME ON THE BUS OR CITATION FOR MISDEMEANOR ON THE BUS THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PUT THEM ON A NO-RIDES LIST. IT CREATE AS PROCESS BY WHICH THEY ENFORCE THAT. THE REASON FOR THAT IS THE ISSUE IS IF YOU HAVE A NO-RIDE LIST AND SOMEBODY WHO CREATED AN ISSUE BEFORE WANTS TO GET ON THE BUS DO YOU HAVE A BUS DRIVER TRY TO STOP THEM? IT'S NOT THE MOST EFFECTIVE MEANS. OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. THAT WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE. THAT WAS IT. THAT WAS THE SHORT-TERM. AND ALSO REQUIRED A LONG-TERM PLAN. AND THAT CAME FROM THE PERSPECTIVE THAT THE AGENCIES THAT ARE TRANSIT SIZE, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU AN AREA WHICH HAS HIGH CAPACITY ROUTES SUCH AS ABQ RIDE AND BLUE LINE AND YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF COACH ROUTES AND HIGH FREQUENCY ROUTES AND A FAIRLY GOOD SIZE TRANSIT SYSTEM, PLUS YOU LINK INTO COMMUTER RAIL, THOSE HAVE A DESIGNATED TRANSIT SECURITY. AND WHAT IT DID IS IT'S ABOUT TIME TRANSIT GRADUATES TO THAT LEVEL. THEY LOOK AT A PLAN AND DEVELOP A LONG-TERM PLAN AND GET BACK TO THE COUNCIL ON HOW THEY WOULD DEVELOP THAT AGES. THEY LOOK AT BEST PRACTICES AROUND THE COUNTRY. THEY WOULD LOOK AT SOMEWHAT THE PEST MODEL. MRNG IS IT IS IT JUST A TRANSIT METRO SECURITY? IS IT ACS MODEL OR COMBINATION OF THE GROUP? WHAT'S YOUR BEST PLAN, COORDINATE, AND HOW WOULD THAT FIT INTO THE CITY'S CURRENT COMMITMENT TO THE CASA AND ANY OTHER COMMITMENTS IT HAS ON REGARDING THE POLICING SERVICES AND ALSO HOW WOULD IT INTERACT WITH THE CIVILIAN POLICE OVER SIGHT BOARD. GO THROUGH ALL THOSE DETAILS AND GET BACK PLAN FOR THE COUNCIL TO INTERFACE WITH. THAT WAS WHAT THAT PROGRAM DID. IT GRANTED $150,000 TO DO THE SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM SECURITY. WITH THAT, ONCE THE BILL IS INTRODUCED WE MET WITH THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT AND ASKED FOR THEIR INPUT. THE DIFFERENCE IS THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE IS THEY POINTED OUT THEY COULD HAVE 70,000 PEOPLE THAT REQUIRE A PASS. THEY WOULD LIKE TO REORGANIZE THAT. HOW THAT IS REORGANIZED IS THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHERE THEY HAVE PEOPLE WITH PHOTO I.D.S WORK AS A PASS. THEY UPPED THE AGE OF STUDENTS THAT CAN ENTER FREE ANY TIME TO BE 10 AND UNDER. THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS OCCURRING BEFORE ZERO FARES. SECOND THEY ALSO WANTED UNDER FEDERAL RULES THEY ASKED THAT PEOPLE WHO HAVE MEDICARE AT LEAST GET HALF FARE. IT SAYS THE PERSON HAS A MEDICARE CARD, AND THEY HAVE A PHOTO I.D. CARD THEY CAN GET ON BOARD. THAT IS REDUNDANT BECAUSE IS INTRODUCES A PASS WHICH ANYBODY WHO HAS A PHOTO I.D. OVER THE AGE OF 62 WOULD GET ON THE BUS FOR FREE. IT APPLIES TO STUDENT. ANY STUDENT BE THEY A KINDERGARTENER ALL THE WAY TO POST DOCTORATE AT UNM CAN BOARD THE BUSS BUST. IT WOULD APPLY WITH ANYBODY IN THE ACTIVE MILITARY I.D. IT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO KNOW WHO IS ON THE BUS AND TAKE CARE OF A LARGE PERCENTAGE AND REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PASSES ISSUES. THE THEY SAID THE TECHNOLOGY PART HAD ALREADY BEEN DEVELOPED. MANY TRANSIT AGENCIES ARE ALREADY USING E PASSES THEY CAN GET ON THEIR PHONE. THE ONLY DIFFERENCES IS THE PASSES DON'T HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY FOR PHOTO I.D. THE UNIVERSAL PASS, INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GET A FILE TO GET A PASS YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO GO ON YOUR PHONE AND DOWNLOAD THE PASS. THE PASS, THE OTHER THING IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A PHONE YOU CAN GO ON THE WEBSITE. THAT MEANS SOMEBODY CAN GO TO USE THEIROPE -- OWN COMPUTER OR FAMILY MEMBERS OR SOCIAL AGENCY, OR LIBRARY COMPUTERS, WHENEVER THERE'S A WEBSITE AND ORDER A PASS AND PRINT OUT A TEMPORARY PASS AND TRANSIT WOULD MAIL THEM A PASS. WHAT THIS INFORMATION WOULD REQUIRE IS NAME, DATE OF BIRTH, AND SOME PLACE TO CONTACT THEM. EMAIL, PHONE NUMBER, ADDRESS MESSAGE POINT. SO THE EXAMPLE IN PARTICULAR WHAT THE GOAL IS TO TRY TO MAKE IT AS ACCESSIBLE AS POSSIBLE TO THE PEOPLE SUCH AS THE UNHOUSED. IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PHONE THEY CAN GO TO HAD SOCIAL SERVICE PROVIDE THEM AND USE THEM AS ADDRESS AND HAVE THE CARD MAILED THERE. THE FINAL THING THE BILL DOES IS IT TELLS SOCIAL SERVICE PROVIDERS THAT PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE STREETS HAVE THEIR WALLETS STOLEN OR LOSE THINGS. IT SAYS YOU CAN ORDER IT AS MANY TIMES AS POSSIBLE AND THE CITY PICKS UP THE COST FOR IT. AND THE ASSUMPTION FROM THE SPONSORS IS THEY WORK WITHIN THE BUDGET PROCESS TO MAKE SURE TANST WAS COVERED FOR THOSE PASSES. THAT WAS THE THE MAJOR CHANGES REGARDING THE PASSES. THE OTHER FINAL CHANGE WAS THAT WE IMPLEMENT ALL THE SECURITY STUDIES THAT WE UP THE UNRESERVE FUND BALANCE AND INCREASE THE FEE FROM $150 TLN $,000 AND ALSO FORGOT TO ADD IN THAT THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE REQUIRES THAT WE GET A QUARTERLY STATISTICAL REPORT. I THINK THAT WAS TO TRY TO REALLY MAKE SURE WE GET A STRONG HANDLE AS TO EXACTLY WHAT IS OCCURRING REGARDING CRIME ON THE BUSES OR NOT CRIME ON THE BUSES. JUST THAT IT'S JUST A SUBJECT THAT IS GOING TO BE NECESSARY FOR ASEE -- AS WE GO FORWARD WITH THE SECURITY PLAN. WE HOPE WITH THE QUARTERLY REPORT AND MORE RESOURCES CAN GO IN TO COLLECTING DATA. OUR UNDERSTANDING IS DATA IS COLLECTED BY METRO SECURITY DIVISION. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY DON'T HAVE A KIS PATCHER SO THEY OFFICERS AND SUPERVISOR PUT TO TOGETHER. THIS WOULD HELP GET THAT ALL CORRECT AND STRAIGHTENED OUT. THERE WILL BE A QUARTERLY REPORT TO MARK TRENDS ON THAT. ALREADY THERE IS DATA GIVEN ON A MONTHLY BASES. I THINK TO A CERTAIN DEGREE THAT WOULD BE BUILDING ON THAT. WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU. BACK TO THE SPONSORS. WE HAVE PEOPLE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, I THINK WE'LL VOTE ON APPROVING THE FLOOR AMENDMENT TONIGHT AND WE'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER. I THINK WE NEED TO HEAR FROM PUBLIC COMMENT RIGHT? >>COUN. BENTON: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: THAT WOULD BE THE CORRECT PROCESS? >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT CAN WE HAVE TRANSIT SECURITY AND THE DIRECTOR WITH US THIS EVENING TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT. BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE WE GOT SOME OF THE INFORMATION ABOUT SECURITY CONCERNS ON THE BUS. IF YOU WOULD COME DOWN BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT TO TALK ABOUT -- SOME OF THE CONCERNS WITH SECURITY. WE REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL WORKING TO MAKE THIS A BETTER ORDINANCE. >> COUNCILORS, THAT YOU HAPPENING ? >> AND ALLOWING US TO HAVE CONVERSATION WITH THIS ORDINANCE. I WILL SAY THAT OUR MAIN GOAL AT TRANSIT IS TO MAINTAIN ACCESS AS WELL AS MAKE SURE THAT THE SERVICES IS EQUITABLE. REALLY WHAT A LOT OF CONVERSATION I'VE BEEN HAVING LESS THAN THREE MONTHS I'VE BEEN DIRECTOR FOR ALBUQUERQUE RIDE IS PUSHING SAFETY, SECURITY, SERVICE AND EQUITY. REALLY TRYING TO MAKE STRIDES. AS FAR AS THE SECURITY NUMBERS AND ALL THAT, I CAN HAVE DS DETALK TO THAT BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT IF I CAN HAVE SOME OF THE IDEAS OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. SAFETY TO ME IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. THERE'S REALLY NO USE TO HAVING A TRANSIT SERVICE IF IT'S NOT A SAFE PLACE TO GO TO. I BELIEVE THAT IS ABOVE ALL ELSE. THAT IS THE MESSAGE BEING COMMUNICATED TO MY TEAM. EVERY TIME WE HAVE SAFETY ISSUE OUT THERE, WE TAKE IT EXTREMELY SERIOUSLY. AND ALSO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO DIFFERENTLY GOING FORWARD. WE RECENTLY STARTED THIS WEEK. WE VAMPING OUR TRAINING FOR THE BUS DRIVERS. THEY'RE ALL GOING THROUGH MANDATORY DE-ESCALATION TRAINING TO HELP WITH THE ISSUES WE SEE ON THE BUS TO BRING ISSUES DOWN INSTEAD OF ESCALATING UPWARD. IT'S DE-ESCALATING THEM AND MAINTAIN THOSE PROBLEMS AT A LOWER DEGREE. WE DO HAVE THE MOBILE SECURITY THAT IS OUT AND ABOUT AS WELL AS SOME SECURITY TEAMS THAT ARE ON BUSES BEING MOVED AROUND THROUGHOUT THE TRANSIT NETWORK ESPECIALLY ON ROUTES THAT HAVE THE MOST ISSUES OUT THERE. AS YOU HEARD A COUPLE MONTHS AGO WE HAD 2600 CAMERAS ACTIVE ACROSS ALL THE BUSES AND SUN VANS AND ART PLATFORMS AND THE APC AND LOOKING TO BRING UPTOWN TRANSIT ONLINE SHORTLY. WE'RE WORKING TO IMPROVE THE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE BUSES AND RTCC. IT GOES THROUGH DISPATCH RIGHT NOW. WE DO HAVE OUR LEADERSHIP RIDING THE BUSES. I'M OUT THERE EVERY CHANCE I GET. JUMPING ON THE BUS AND DEPUTY DIRECTOR AND ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR AND ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SUPERVISORS AND MANAGERS TO SEE WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON OUT THERE AND GET GOOD INPUT FROM THE BUS DRIVERS AND THE CITIZENS THAT ARE RIDING THE BUSES. WE ARE WORKING WITH ON BOARD MESSAGING. IF YOU HEAR THINGS AND WHAT THE BEHAVIOR EXPECTS ARE IT STARTS TO GET YOU ON THE MINDSET OF WHAT THIS IS EXPECTED AND WHAT WON'T BE TOLERATED. YOU HEAR AND IT'S INGRAINED INTO YOU. WE'LL PUSH THAT TO THE BUSES AND SUN VANS. WE'RE WORKING ON BARRIER FOR THE DRIVERS. UNFORTUNATELY THAT ONLY PROTECTS THE DRIVERS. WE STILL HAVE THIS NEED TO PROTECT THE CITIZEN AND THE PEOPLE RIDING THE BUSES AND THE SUN VANS. THAT IS ANOTHER AREA WE'RE WORKING ON. AND I KNOW THIS ORDINANCE DOES TALK ABOUT GETTING TOGETHER WITH APD AND WITH ACS AND THAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN ONGOING SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. AND CONTINUE TO GO FORWARD. I THINK LOT OF CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN A LOT DEEPER AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE ZERO FARES AND TRYING TO COME UP WITH NEW IDEAS. AND SOME OF THESE ISSUES I TALKED THROUGH ARE SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT CAME OUT OF THE MEETINGS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS. >>COUN. BENTON: COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU ABOUT YOUR THOUGHTS ON -- LET ME PACK UP. I WAS IN A MEETING BRIEFLY THIS LAST WEEK IN PARTICULAR, BUT IT'S COME UP MORE THAN ONCE WHERE I HAVE PEOPLE ASKING ME WHERES THE DATA ABOUT THE CRIME OCCURRING ON THE BUSES. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT CRIME ON OUR BUSES AND HOW IT MAY -- I KNOW YOU'VE ONLY BEEN HERE FOR THREE MONTHS. AT THE SAME TIME, HOW IT MIGHT HAVE CHANGED SINCE ZERO FARES STARTED. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM APD ON THEIR THOUGHTS REGARDING CRIME. I'VE HEARD MANY TIMES THAT A LOT OF BUSES ARE BEING USED AS GET-AWAY CARS. THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF EXTRA, WROE WANT TO GIVE EXAMPLES BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR THE THOUGHTS FROM APD AND YOU ON CRIME ON BUSES SO THE PUBLIC CAN HEAR AS WELL WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT. >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, I WOULD SAY THAT LOOKING THROUGH SOME OF THE SECURITY INFORMATION THAT WE'RE PROVIDED FROM DSD AND LOOKING THROUGH IT WHEN YOU LOOK AT FIRST QUARTER OF THIS YEAR VERSUS SECOND QUARTER OF THIS YEAR RIDERSHIP AND THE SECURITY CALLS HAVE PRETTY MUCH GONE UP WITH EACH OTHER. ABOUT A 18% RISE IN EACH. I DON'T KNOW HOW GOOD THE COMP PAIRSON IS PRIOR ZERO FARES. I CAN'T ASSESS THAT. RIDERSHIP HAS GONE UP AND SECURITY CALLS. FROM WHAT I SEE FROM THE ZERO FARES WE REPORT IS 53% OF THE CALLS ARE SECURITY CHECKS. IT'S JUST SECURITY OUT DOING THEIR NORMAL THING. MOST OF THE TIME IT DOESN'T RESULT IN FURTHER ACTION. THAT'S A BIG PORTION OF THAT. I BELIEVE DISORDERLY CONDUCT AND LOITERING WILL BRING ABOUT 71% OF THE TOTAL CALLS. AND PART OF IT IS WE'VE HAD MORE LIGHT SHED ON THIS, AND I'LL LET THEM SPEAK TO IT, BUT I THINK THEY'RE STARTING TO TRACK SOME OF THE STUFF BETTER TOO WHICH IS WHY YOU SEE SOME OF THE NUMBERS HIGHER THAN MAY HAVE BEEN BEFORE. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, IF WE CAN GET APD'S OPINION. I'VE HAD MY PERSONAL CONVERSATIONS REGARDING THIS. SINCE I WAS ASKED WHAT I'VE HEARD AND I I GOT IT FROM I THINK IT'S GREAT FOR THEM TO SHARE THEIR EXPERIENCES WITH HOW THINGS MAY HAVE CHANGED SINCE THIS HAPPENED. >>COUN. BENTON: IS CHIEF MEDINA ON? >> I THINK YOU CAN SUM UP WITH WHAT APD IS DOING IN THREE CATEGORIES. THE FIRST CATEGORY IS I AGREE WITH THE DIRECTOR IS THE ISSUES AT THE BUS STOPS. THE SECOND THING IS INDIVIDUALS WHO USE IT AS A MEANS TO GO OUT AND COMMIT CRIMES IN VARIOUS PARTS OF THE CITY. AND THE LAST IS THE CRIME UPON THE BUS. THOSE ARE THE THREE BIGGEST ISSUES WE FACE. WE DO GET COMPLAINTS FROM THE COMMUNITY. AND A LOT OF BUSINESSES ABOUT THE FIRST TWO TOPICS. THEY'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON THE BUS. APD IS COMMITTED TO WHATEVER DECISIONS ARE MADE AND WE'LL CONTINUE TOWORK WITH TRANSIT TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO MEDIATE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS. THOSE ARE THE PROBLEMS WE'VE SEEN. THE BUS STOPS ARE THE ISSUES THERE. THEY USE IT AS A MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION WHILE COMMITTING CRIME. AND SOMETIMES THE ACTUAL CRIME THAT OCCURS ON THE BUS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, CHIEF. DO YOU THINK ZERO FARES, IF WE HAVE SOME KIND OF PASS SYSTEM, EVEN IF IT STILL MEANT PEOPLE COULD RIDE WITHOUT A FARE, IF THERE WAS A PASS OR WHATEVER ALTERNATIVE IS GOING TO BE DECIDED BY THIS COUNCIL WOULD THAT AFFECT AND MINIMIZE SOME OF THE CRIME HAPPENING ON THE BUSES? >> IF WE HAD A WAY WHERE SOMEBODY WHO WAS DOCUMENTING WHO WAS ON THE BUS, WE COULD USE THAT INFORMATION TO HELP US TRACK INDIVIDUALS DOWN. ESPECIALLY IF -- SINCE WE GET COMPLAINTS OF THE BUSINESS DISTRICTS AROUND THE MALL. THAT GIVES US WHERE TO LOOK FOR INDIVIDUALS THAT WE NEED TO TRY TO ARREST. >>COUN. DAVIS: I WANT TO COME BACK TO TRANSIT DIRECTOR, IF THE CHIEF IS STILL WITH US, THANKS, I APPRECIATE THAT. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN HAS ACTUALLY BEEN RAISING SOME OF THE ISSUES AND WHILE I HAVE YOU, I WANTED TO ASK, ONE OF THE THINGS WE SAW IS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL MADE A COMMENT THAT THE ORGANIZED CRIME RETAIL GROUP THAT CRIME OFFENDERS WERE USING BUSES AS GET. AWAY VEHICLES. I READ A NEWS ARTICLE WHERE THAT WAS ONLY ONE INCIDENT THEY'RE AWARE OF. AND THEY WEREN'T MAKING ANY JUDGMENT OF THE FREE FARE. I RECALL FROM MY DAYS AS A POLICE OFFICER IS WE ALWAYS HAD TO TALK ABOUT THE TYPE OF VEHICLE THAT WAS USED. HAS THE DEPARTMENT DONE ANY DATA ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE HOW MANY BUSES WERE USED IN THE COMMISSION OF A CRIME? I KNOW THAT DATA MUST BE AVAILABLE TO US. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, I DON'T HAVE THAT DATA AVAILABLE. I COULD ASK DEPUTY CHIEF TO MINE SOME DATA TO SEE HOW MANY TIMES THE BUS HAS BEEN LISTED. I THINK THE PRIORITIES ARE THREE-FOLD. FIRST IS LOITERINGS. AND THEN THE BUS BEING USED A -- I CAN GET YOU THAT AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE LISTED FROM THE CASES. >>COUN. DAVIS: I DON'T DISCOUNT THAT LOITERING IS AN ISSUE. I LIVE ON CENTRAL. I GO TO ART STATIONS EVERY DAY AND CROSS THEM. WE KNOW WE'RE NOT DOING GOOD ENOUGH PROTECTING GOOD RIDERS FROM FOLKS THAT ARE JUST HANGING OUT AND DOING GOOD KNOWS WHAT AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE PUBLIC SPACE. WE'RE HAVING THAT ALL OVER THE CITY. AS MUCH AS WE KEEP HEARING THIS BAD GUYS ARE USING THE BUS, WE HAVE DATA AVAILABLE. WE NEED TO RELY ON THAT AND NOT ANECDOTAL INFORMATION. IF I CAN HAVE ONE WITH THE DIRECTOR WHILE SHE'S HERE. I HEARD YOU MENTIONED THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE DATA AVAILABLE FOR BEFORE THE COMPARISON OF INCIDENTS AND AFTER FREE FARES. I'M NOT SURE THAT'S TOTALLY TRUE. IN NOVEMBER, IN FACT, OF THIS YEAR. OCTOBER, THE DEPARTMENT PRODUCED A ZERO FARE FACT SHEET SHARED WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AS PART OF THE QUARTERLY REPORTING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE ZERO FARE PILOT PROGRAM. IT LISTED THE NUMBER OF SECURITY INCIDENTS ON THE TRANSIT PROGRAM BEFORE AND AFTER ZERO FARE. THE PROPORTION BEFORE AND AFTER WAS .12%. SO IT WAS .12% TIMES A RIDER ENGAGED IN SOME TYPE OF INCIDENT. THE AVERAGE SINCE FREE FARES HAS BEEN .12%. IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT SAYS THAT THEY'RE NOW HANDLING ROUGHLY 60% OFFENSE THEIR CALLS ARE JUST THE SECURITY CHECKS WHERE THEY'RE THE 38% OF CALLS BEFORE THE FREE FARE PROGRAM. WHAT WE SEE IS THE ACCORD TO THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT'S DATA THERE ARE FEWER SECURITY INCIDENTS SINCE ZERO FARE AND MORE PREVENTIVE ACTIONS BY THE SECURITY AGENTS FROM METRO SECURITY. SO, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF SPECULATION AND WE'RE SAYING THIS PROGRAM IS SUPPOSED TO STOP CRIME ON THE BUSES, BUT WE HAVE FEWER INCIDENTS, MORE SECURITY OFFICERS, MORE INCIDENTS ON THE BUSES. I THINK WE OUGHT TO DO MORE AT THE BUS STOPS. I WONDER IF -- I WANT TO BE SURE WE SHARE THAT INFORMATION. I KNOW THE COUNCIL STAFF CAN SHARE THAT OUT BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING. I DON'T MEAN TO CALL YOU OUT. YOU WEREN'T HERE FOR SOME OF IT. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WE TALK ABOUT THIS. AND IN REAL WAYS. MY LAST QUESTION AND WE CAN BRING THIS UP AT THE NEXT MEET WHERE WE'LL GET INTO MORE DETAIL. IF YOU CAN HELP US, MR. RAEL DURING THE ART DEBACLE, ONE OF THE THINGS I NEGOTIATED WAS A MILLION DOLLAR LINE ITEM FOR TRANSIT SECURITY. I THINK COUNCILOR BENTON SUPPORTED THAT AS WELL. AND THE ADMINISTRATION NEVER FULFILLED THAT. THEY ACTUALLY CAME BACK AND DECIDED TO MOVE THAT INTO METRO SECURITY TO COVER OTHER FACILITIES LONG WITH TRANSIT. AND I THINK THE COUNCIL SUPPORTED THAT AS A TACTIC AND STRATEGY TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS BILL IN ITSELF FAILS IN ONE WAY THAT IF IT'S TRYING TO ADDRESS SECURITY IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY -- IT ALLOCATES NEW DOLLARS TO BUS DRIVERS WHICH IS IMPORTANT BUT IT DOESN'T DO XG -- ANYTHING FOR SECURITY. I WASN'TER FOR THE ADMINISTRATION HAS COMMENTS OR BRING COMMENTS ON WHETHER THE EXPERIMENT FOR MERGING METRO SECURITY AND TRANSIT SECURITY AND USING THE MILLION DOLLARS FOR BUSES AND BUS STOPS SHOULD BE RETURNED TO THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SPENDING THAT MUCH ON TRANSIT SECURITY. THAT WAS MY LONG SPEECH. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR DAVIS, I RECALL THAT CONVERSATION SEVERAL YEARS AGO. AND THERE WAS 14, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, 14 SECURITY OFFICERS THAT WERE GOING TO BE ASSIGNED TO TRANSIT TO SUPPORT THE ART PROJECT. AND ITS OPERATIONS GOING FORWARD. WE DID MOVE THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION, ALL THE SECURITY INTO ONE DEPARTMENT. OVER THE LAST MONTH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH TRANSIT WITH GSD TO CREATE A STRUCTURE LIKE THE AIRPORT HAS WITH APD AND THEIR OFFICERS. THE AIRPORT HAS APD OFFICERS AT THE AIRPORT THAT WORK TOGETHER HAND AND HAND BUT THEY HAVE A MEMORANDUM OF AGREEMENT THAT THE STRUCTURES AND HOW MANY OFFICERS WILL BE THERE. THE IDEA IS TO TAKE THAT SAME STRUCTURE AND PUT IT IN PLACE BECAUSE WE SUPPORT THE IDEA OF HAVING THOSE SECURITY OFFICERS THAT WERE DESIGNED AND PAID FOR THROUGH THAT PROGRAM ASSIGNED TO THE DEPARTMENT SO THE DEPARTMENT HAS AT LEAST A NUMBER OF OFFICERS THEY CAN CALL UPON TO HELP SUPPORT THE TRANSIT SYSTEM. I WILL SAY AS WITH EVERYTHING ELSE ESPECIALLY IN THE WORLD OF SECURITY, OUR CHALLENGE IS IN KEEPING THOSE POSITIONS FILLED HAVE BEEN VERY SIGNIFICANT. AND WE CONTINUE TO EXPERIENCE THAT AND EXPERIENCED THAT FOR SOME TIME. THE IDEA IS TO STRUCTURE SOMETHING THAT IS MUCH MORE, IF YOU WILL, STRUCTURED AND ALSO OUR TRANSIT DIRECTOR CAN RELY UPON AS THEY START LOOKING AT THIS ISSUE. LET ME GET BACK WITH YOU AND GIVE YOU MORE DETAILS WITH HOW THAT PROJECT IS GOING ON AND WE'LL REPORT THAT AT THE MEDICAL EXAM NEAT . >>COUN. DAVIS: I SUPPORT THAT IDEA OF GOING TO TRANSIT-SECURITY FORCE. I'D LOVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT. I WOULD SUPPORT THAT PART OF THE BILL. I THINK THERE'S A PIECE OF THAT I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND WOULD LOVE TO SEE HOW WE CAN SUPPORT THAT PART. I'M NOT THERE YET ON THE PASS SYSTEM FOR ALL THE REASONS WE'VE ADDRESSED TODAY AND CONTINUE TO HEAR FROM. >>COUN. BENTON: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN AND COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I HAVE QUITE A FEW QUESTIONS SINCE THIS BILL DID NOT GO TO COMMITTEE I'M GOING TO ASK THEM TONIGHT. WHILE WE HAVE CHIEF MEDINA I'D LOVE TO DO A FOLLOW UP ON SOMETHING HE SAID. I HEARD HIM SAY ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF HAVING THE PASS SYSTEM IS WE CAN TRACK PEOPLE THAT ARE USING THE BUS. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THIS PROPOSAL THAT IT WOULD BE TRACKING PEOPLE WHO APPLIED FOR FREE PASSES. WE WOULD NOT TRACK PEOPLE WHO PAID A DOLLAR. I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY DATA TO SUPPORT THE IDEA THAT ONLY PEOPLE WHO NEED FREE FARES ARE GOING TO BE COMMITTING CRIMES. >> COUNCILOR BENTON, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, I THINK THAT YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. ONLY INDIVIDUALS WHO WOULD BE USING A PASS WOULD BE THE INDIVIDUALS WHO WOULD BE CAPABLE OF TRACKING. IT'S ANOTHER TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX. IT'S NOTHING WE WOULD PURPOSELY SEE WHO IS DOING THIS. THERE ARE TIMES WHO SOMEBODY WHO PAID A DOLLAR MAY COMMIT A CRIME AND WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TRACK THEM AND THERE'S TIMES THAT INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE USING THE PASSES. I THINK THE SPIRIT OF THE CONVERSATION IS THAT FREE BUS FARE HAS DONE TO THE BUS AND WHAT WE SEEN WITH THE BUSES IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE FREE BUS FARE. LIKE I SAID, IT WOULD BE ANOTHER TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX. IT'S JUST A QUESTION PRESENTED TO US WOULD IT HELP, YES IT WOULD HELP. BEING ABLE TO TRACK CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS. IT WOULDN'T HELP TO TRACK THOSE WITH CASH BUT HELP WITH THOSE WHO UTILIZE THE FREE FARE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THERE'S NO DATA THAT SUGGEST LOW INCOME PEOPLE ARE MORE LIKELY TO COMMIT CRIMES ON THE BUS THAN PEOPLE THAT PAY FARES? >> NO. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. IN THE BILL IT REFERENCES 25% INCREASE FOR CALLS FOR SECURITY SERVICE AT BUS STOPS IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2022. AS COUNCILOR DAVIS JUST MENTIONED, THE INCIDENTS HAVE STAYED RELATIVELY FLAT. IT'S 0.12% FROM DECEMBER TO LAST MONTH. WHERE DID THAT 25% COME FROM? IF WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT THE DATA RELEASED FROM THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT IS THE DATA WE SHOULD USE WHILE MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT THE TRANSIT. >> WE EVALUATED A REPORT THAT CAME OUT OF THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT THAT LISTED THE NUMBER OF INCIDENTS BEFORE THE FREE FARE AND THE NUMBER THAT HAD BEEN REPORTED THROUGH THE FIRST QUARTER. AND THE SHEER NUMBERS REPORTED REPRESENTED 25% INCREASE IN THAT NUMBER. IT WAS A NUMBER OF CALLS TO METRO SECURITY AND NOT APD. SO IT WAS TAKEN STRAIGHT OUT OF THE REPORT THAT TRANSIT DEPARTMENT INTRODUCED. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THAT WAS A STRAIGHT OUT NUMBER OF INCREASES IN SECURITY CALLS NOT ACCOUNTING FOR THE FACT THAT WHEN BEFORE FREE FARES WE WERE IN A PANDEMIC AND VERY FEW PEOPLE RIDING THE BUS. AS THE RIDERSHIP INCREASES IT'S NOT SURPRISING THAT SECURITY INCREASES AS WELL. WE'RE PUTTING A FLAT NUMBER AND USING IT AS A REASON TO STOP GIVING THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE ACCESS TO FREE FARES. I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS. I ALSO WANTED TO VISIT IN THE BILL ATTORNEY GENERAL OF NEW MEXICO IS QUOTED AND IT SAID HE BELIEVES THIS MISUSE OF THE TRANSIT SYSTEM IS THE RESULT OF THE FREE FARE PILOT PROGRAM. I WANTED TO BRING EVERYONE'S ATTENTION TO QUOTES FROM THE SOURCE NEW MEXICO ARTICLE THAT WAS PUBLISHED TODAY. WHEN CONTACTED AG OFFICE SPOKESPERSON SAID THERE WAS EVIDENCE OF ONE INSTANCE WHERE THIS OCCURRED AND CLARIFIED THAT THE AG'S OFFICE WAS NOT MAKING AN INFERENCE THAT BUS RIDER FEES ARE DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. I REACHED OUT DIRECTLY TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, HE SENT ME THIS QUOTE. IT IS MY HOPE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WILL CONDUCT A COMPREHENSIVE SAFETY ASSESSMENT OUT OF THE CONCERN FOR FAMILIES AND ELDERLY USING THE TRANSIT SYSTEM AND MUST BE A REASONABLE BALANCE BETWEEN MAINTAINING PUBLIC ACCESS AND STRENGTHENING PUBLIC SAFETY. HE SAID I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR I KID NOT SAY FREE FARES IS THE CAUSE OF CRIME. HE'S AVAILABLE TO VERIFY THAT AND EXPLAIN THAT WITH ANYONE THAT DISCUSSES THAT. WE'RE USING DATA FROM SOMEONE THAT NEVER SAID WHAT'S IN THIS BILL. I ALSO WANTED TOASK THE TRANSIT DIRECT, IT SAYS MOTOR COACH HAVE LEFT CITING SAFETY CONCERNS. THERE WERE NO SAFETY CONCERNS PRIOR TO FREE FARES? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, I DID SPEAK WITH OUR HUMAN RESOURCES ABOUT THIS SPECIFICALLY AS FAR AS DRIVERS RESONATIONS, WE DON'T ACTIVELY SPEAK OUT FEEDBACK RIGHT NOW AS TO WHY THEY HAVE LEFT. I CAN SAY THE PERIOD FROM OCTOBER 1 OF 2021 TO OCTOBER OF 2022 WE HAD 70 DRIVERS LEAVE. AND PRIOR TO THAT 85 DRIVERS LEAVE. WE DON'T KEEP ON WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS RELATED TO ZERO FARES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. I WANTED TO REFERENCE PAGE FOUR IN THE BILL WE TALK ABOUT WE'RE GOING TO RETURN TO FREE FARES BEING A DOLLAR AND WE'RE GOING TO GO TO SUN VAN FOR TWO DOLLARS. DOES THIS INCLUDE ART? >> AT THIS POINT, YES. IT WOULD INCLUDE ART. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN, HOW WOULD SOMEONE GET ON ART AND PAY A FEE OR SHOW THEIR I.D. OR PASS? I WAS ON THE BUS THIS WEEKEND. I'M A REGULAR BUS RIDER, IT'S NOT REALLY A MEDIA EVENT WHEN I TAKE THE PUS. IT REMINDED ME YOU GET ON THE LEFT SIDE IN THE BACK AND WHAT WOULD I HAVE TO DO? WALK ALL THE WAY UP THROUGH THE ACCORDION TO THE BUS DRIVER TO SHOW MY BUS PASS? >> MADAM CHAIR, UNLESS IT WAS ART WAS FREE BEFORE ZERO FARES, THAT CAN BE A MISTAKE ON MY PART. THE UNDERSTANDING IS THAT ART YOU BOUGHT THE TICKET AT THE STATION AND YOU ENTER. AND LIKE MANY HIGH CAPACITY SYSTEMS THERE WOULD BE OCCASIONAL CHECKS TO SEE IF YOU HAD YOUR TICKLE TICKET STUB. YOU ENTER ART AND IF YOU HAVE THE PASS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: WE'RE GOING TO BE ONLY LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO ASK FOR PASSES, I'M GOING TO GUESS I'M NOT GOING TO GET ASKED FOR MY PASS. >> YOUR I.D. OR PASS. YOU HAVE ONE OF THE ELIGIBLE PASSES. IF THAT IS HOW ART WAS WORKING, I COULD BE WRONG. IF IT WAS FREE BEFORE THE ZERO FARE THE BILL WOULD HAVE TO BE AMENDED. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: IS THERE ANY MONEY FOR TRANSIT SECURITY IN THIS BILL? AT THIS TIME, IT'S FOR THE TRANSIT STUDY FOR THE TRANSIT SECURITY. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THERE'S THREE THINGS THAT ARE BEING FUNDED. IT'S 250. THAT'S GOING TO FUND A FAIR, PASS, AND FE MANAGEMENT STUDY, PLAN AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE FRE FARE PASS. WHICH SEEMS LIKE A LOT TO DO FOR $150,000. WHE DOES THE OTHER $100,000 GO? >> THE ADDITINAL $100,0 IN THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE? >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I'M LOOKING ATHE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE IT SAYS TRANSFER TO TRANSIT OPERATING FUND TO $250,000. AND I SAYS $150,000 FOR FUNDING BLAH BLAH BLAH. >> LET ME LOOK AT THAT QUICKLY. THAT WOULD BE THE FLOOR SUB. LET ME CHECKHAT. I'M LOOKING AT THE FLOOR SUB. THAT IS A TECHNICAL ROR. T SOULD BE $25000 DESIGNATED. >>COUN. FIELKORN: EVEN THE EXTRA $100,000 ISN'T GOIG F TRA SERITY. >> $250,000 IS T ASSIST WH THETACTICALLAN AND ASSIST WIT THE STY. >>COUN. FIEBEORN: TNK YOU. I DON'T UNDERAND WHAT WE'RE ING HE. I DON'T UNDERSND HOW TCKING SOME PEOPLE BUOT EVERYONE, AGAIN,I CAN G AND PAY A DOLLAR AND YOU HAVE NO TRACKIN OF ME IT JUST DOEN'T SEEM T BE SOLVING T PROBLEM WCH IS THERERE SECURITSSUES ON TRANSIT WHICH HELWS BE THE. VE BEEN A BUS RIDER IN THIS CITY FR 20 YEARS. I CAN TELL Y THE HAVE AAYS BEEN SECITY ISSS ON OUR TRANT DEPAMENT. I DON'T SEENY UPTK SINCE FREE FARES. BUT EVE IF YOU D THINK THER ARE UICK SINCE FREE FARES, W THIS IS SOLUTION ANCTL SOLUTION? HOW I SAYING TAT PEOPL WHO ARE POOR AND ARE GNGO NEED TO APY FOR FRE BUSAS GET TRKED ANDEOPLE WHO HVE A DOLLAR EVERY TIME THE WANT T GOOMEWERE GET ON,ET OFF AT-WI. SEEMS VRY CLASSEST. I CAN'T BELIEV THIS IS THE OLY ANSW WE CAN COMEP WITH. I WANTO SAY THERES A LOT OF SUPPT I DOT HEAR ANYE WHO DOESN'T PPOR INCASED TRAIT SERIT AN ION'T KNOW WHYE'RE NOT CUSING IN WHAT ACTL NEEDS TO BE DON TO KEEP THE CITIZENS O ALBUQUERQUE SAF >>UN. LEWIS: TH BILL I MEAN TBE A THE BEGINNING OF A COMPREHENSI PLAN I THINK ITASVERYINGN . IDENTIFES THERE MIGHT BE SOE MISSING AL MIING DA W NEED. ER THE NEXT SI MTHSET'S BUILD ONH TA. CERTAIN THEE WASOME DAT THAT WE HAD BEFE USRO STIES THATER INTERN -- THEASNTNAL STUDIESE LOOKEDT T WER A PART OFHE VELOPMENT OF TIS BIL AS LL. ANDHE ARE ALS A LOTF ANDOT. UNLOR DAVIS IS CORREHAT WE C'T JUST BASHIS O SO ANECDOTALSTIE. TH'S TRUE 'REOT BING IT OFF A W ANECDOTA STOES. 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ID, IN OTH WORDS, YOU CA'T L EVERYONEN BUS WITH STEN EQUIPMENT IF YOUCA TEXT HIM THAT, A LONG AS HE'S TXTING YOU AND ASK H WHATEET BY AT AIN, THISILLS NOTIDING ON WHA THE ATTORNEY NERAL TOLD US. IAVE TO ADMITHAT DID CAUSE CONCERN WHEN THETTORNEY GENERAL OF E STATE POIEDUT OUR FREE FRE SYSTEND SAID THE CITY COCIL NEEDS TO LOOK AT THISND TA AOUT THI. THAT WA A PART O . THE INTNALATA WE HAVE, O EXPEENCES, THE MANY EMAILS ON THE BUS, AGAIN WE'VE NER SAID THISS PURELY ABT CORLATION BETWEEN S FARES A PUBLIC SAFET AGAIN, IT A COMPREHENSIVE WAY TO LOOK AT HW CAN WE PROVE, HOW C WE ME ITBEER. THESE ARE SOM IDEAS. I THINK TT'S WHAT WE D AS A COUNL WE PUTORTH IDEA. IF YOU D'T AGREE WH IT DON'T VOE FORIT. IERTAINLY TAKE ISSUEITH ANYO THAT WOULDUESTION COCILOR PEÑA AND I'S INTENTONS OF WRITING THIS IN ANY W TO DISPARAGE XB THAT RIDES THE BUOR ANY REASON OR ANY PURPSE. WE WNT TO HONOR PEOPLE THAT USE THESYSTEM. I INK THIS BILL RECOGZES THAT. IT PRESERVES THAT ABILITY TO BE ABLEO RIDE THES BUS AND FOR FR. SO, WE JUST WANT TO HAVE A BETTER QLITY OF LIFE AND PERT EXPERINCE FOREOPLE WHO DO RIDE IT. MYWN EXPERIENCE TO B HONEST, OUR BUSES ARE PRETTY DIRT THEY SMELL LIKE URINE THEY'RE DIRTY, THERE'S TRASH AT EVRY BUS STOP ALL OVER THE TOWN. AND I DON'THINK IT'S A REAL GOOD EXRIENCE. I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE IT BETTER. I THINK IT SHOULD ME A -- BE A BETTER EXPERIENCE. THERE'S SEVERAL INCIDENTS OF PEOPLE USING FENTYL. ONE AT THE STOP WE WERE AT. THE BUS DRIVER WHO HAD TO STOP THE BUSND GO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT PEOPLE WERE USING FENT NOT ON -- NEGLIGENT FALL FENTANYL ON THE BUS. I'M NOT SAYING THAT EXPERIENCE ALONE. CALL THAT AN ANECDOTE OR DATA, THESE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS, AND YOU CAN SMIRK ABOUT IT, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT SOME EXPERIENCES. PEOPLE THAT RIDE THE BUSES ALL THE TIME, OUR EXPERIENCES RIDING THE BUS AND SEEING HOW CAN MAKE IT BETTER. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WANT TO MAKE A QUICK COMMENT. WHERES -- MY BIGGEST ISSUE IN REFERENCE TO THIS BILL IS PROBABLY THE FACT THAT YOU HIT ON HOW MANY DUS DRIVERS HAVE LEFT AND HOW HOW MANY BUS DRIVERS WE HAVE. I KNOW WE'RE SHORT-HANDED. AND JUST GOING BACK INTO HISTORY MY FATHER WAS A RETIRED ALBUQUERQUE CITY TRANSIT DRIVER. IN THE 32 YEARS HE WAS THERE, HE WAS VERY PROUD TO DO THAT JOB. AND VERY HAPPY, SO MUCH SO HE DIDN'T REALIZE HE HAD BEEN THERE FOR 32 YEARS AND COULD RETIRE. HE WAS REALLY, REALLY A GOOD EMPLOYEE. AND SO, I GET CONCERNED ABOUT THE BUS DRIVERS. AND BECAUSE MY DAD WAS AN EMPLOYEE, HE ACTUALLY HAD US RIDING THE BUSES FOR PROBABLY AGE 17 IS WHEN I STOPPED RIDING THE BUS. DURING THAT TIME, VERSES WHAT I'VE SEEN NOW, IT'S JUST A MASSIVE CHANGE. MASSIVE CONTRAST. AND WE USED TO RIDE THE BUS AND PAY A CERTAIN AMOUNT AND PAY THE FEES. AND WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THE BUS DRIVERS REALLY NEED SOME SUPPORT IN REFERENCE TO THEIR JOB AND THEIR JOB DESCRIPTION. THEIR SAFETY IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. I REMEMBER RIDING THE BUS WITH MY DAD AND HE COULD GET ON A HAND HELD RADIO AND CALL FOR A POLICE OFFICER IN TWO SECONDS. AND THE NEXT POLICE OFFICER THAT DROVE BY WOULD STOP AND HELP HIM DO WHATEVER HE NEEDED ON THAT BUS. I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE BUS DRIVERS AND THE FACT THAT THEY'RE LEAVING SO EASILY. I KNOW BECAUSE I'VE SPOKEN TO SEVERAL BUS DRIVERS, ACTUALLY, THEY QUOTED ME ON A STORY IN THE JOURNAL AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT IS THAT THEY FELT THEIR SAFETY WAS IN DANGER NOW THAT WE HAVE THE ZERO FARE PROGRAM. SO, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. ALSO I'M WORRIED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NOW THAT THE BUS DRIVERS ARE HAVING TO DEAL WITH INDIVIDUALS WHEN THEY HAVE TO TELL THAT INDIVIDUAL NOW YOU HAVE TO PAY. OR THIS IS THE PROCESS NOW. I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE PLENTY OF TIME, BUT EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT DOES THAT. I REALLY HOPE ALONG THE WAY WE REALLY WORK ON MAKING THIS A BETTER PLACE FOR OUR TRANSIT EMPLOYEES. THE PEOPLE THAT ARE OUT THERE DOING THE WORK. AND IT IS EXTREMELY TOUGH TO BE A BUS DRIVER RIGHT NOW. AND I THINK EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS THAT. ESPECIALLY THE FOLKS THAT HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE ZERO FARES. THAT'S MY TAKE ON EVERYTHING. I JUST HOPE THAT WE REALLY, REALLY WORK HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO WHAT WE CAN TO KEEP THOSE EMPLOYEES HAPPY AND KEEP THEM WORKING SO THEY CAN CONTINUE TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. I THINK WE HAVE A SERIOUS SHORTAGE OF BUS DRIVERS. I KNOW THAT TRANSIT GOES TO EVERY EVENT. THEY WERE WITH US AT THE STATE FAIR TRYING TO GET BUS DRIVERS. WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS AROUND LITERALLY THERE'S SOME NOT DRIVEN EVERY DAY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE BUS DRIVERS. IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ADD ADDITIONAL WORK TO THE BUS DRIVERS BY MAKING THEM CHECK I.D.S AND CHECK PASSES AND DO ALL THOSE THINGS. WE'RE BARELY -- IN FACT WE'RE NOT COVERING OZ OUR TRANSIT ROUTES. I WANT TO RESPOND TO COUNCILOR LEWIS ON THE QUOTE FROM THE AG. I'M NOT COMBOOT I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR THE AG, I CAUTION US TAKING SOMEBODY OUT OF CONTEXT RATHER THAN JUST WRITING THEM UP BEFORE YOU WRITE THEM INTO THE BILL. THERE WAS A QUOTE FROM COUNCILOR LEWIS THAT SAYS OUR BUS SYSTEM IS NOT INTENDED FOR EVERYBODY. I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT'S OUT OF CONTEXT. AND INSTEAD OF WRITING IT INTO A BILL I'M GOING TO GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO TELL ME WHAT HE MEANT. AGAIN, WE SHOULDN'T BE JUST ASSUMING THAT ONE QUOTE MEANS THAT IS ACTUALLY -- AND THERE ARE NO EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES. WHAT HE MEANT IS HE WANTS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE TRANSIT SECURITY. I DON'T THINK THERE'S CAN ANY DISAGREEMENT THAT IS IMPORTANT. >>COUN. LEWIS: I JUST READ YOU A QUOTE FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. AND THANKS FOR THE CONTEXT. I GUESS HE SENT YOU A TEXT AND GAVE YOU MORE CONTEXT. WE'LL TAKE THAT FOR WHAT HE SAYS NOW. THAT'S FINE WITH ME. AND WHAT DO YOU THINK I MEANT WHEN I SAID THE BUS SYSTEM IS NOT FOR EVERYBODY? I THINK IN THE CONTEXT OF THAT, THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT LIKE TO DRIVE THEIR CARS. AND THEY DON'T RIDE THE BUS AND THEY'LL PROBABLY NEVER RIDE THE PUS. -- BUS. IF YOU ARE INSINUATING THAT I DON'T LIKE PEOPLE THAT RIDE THE BUS. THAT'S THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH SOME OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT ARE UNCALLED FOR. YOU CAN SMIRK THE ENTIRE TIME I'M TALKING. >>COUN. BENTON: NO COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE, YOU WILL BE REMOVED. >>COUN. LEWIS: I THINK I CLARIFIED THAT PRETTY CLEARLY. I GUESS THAT WAS IN THE ALBUQUERQUE JOURNAL. KRQETV. SOURCE NEW MEXICO ACTUALLY GAVE A REALLY LONG EXTENDED TO THEM THAT I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE BECAUSE THEY'RE PRETTY BENT IN ONE WAY. LET'S TAKE ALL THIS STUFF FOR THE FACE VALUE AND WE HAVE OUR DIFFERENT OPINIONS. HOPEFULLY WE HAVE A GOOD DISCUSSION. THAT'S THE INTENTION. AND THIS IS ABOUT HAVING SOLUTIONS, AND OFFERING THOSE SOLUTIONS AND WE ALL HAVE A CHANCE TO BE ABLE TO DECIDE ON WHETHER WE AGREE WITH THAT DIRECTION. IF WE DECIDE NOT TO GO WITH THIS SPECIFIC SYSTEM I'M OPEN TO OTHER WAYS TO CONTINUE TO MAKE THE BUS SYSTEM BETTER. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I THINK WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE FREE FARES. THEY'RE IN PLACE. IT ENDS IN JUNE. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO END IN JUNE. AND ALSO I HAVE A RESOLUTION. I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF FREE FARES. THE REASON I PUT IT FORWARD INITIALLY, THEN WE GOT DATA WE HAD SECURITY CONCERNS. PUT TOGETHER A RESOLUTION THAT ACTUALLY CALLS FOR A SECURITY PLAN. I THINK THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT TOGETHER FOR BROTHERS WAS ASKING FOR. THAT'S STILL IN THE QUEUE. YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK ON ANYBODY'S CHARACTER. THIS IS VERY UNPROFESSIONAL, I WANT TO COMMEND COUNCILOR LEWIS FOR SAYING I WANT TO PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING AND IF WE CAN CONTINUE TO ESTABLISH FREE FARES TO IMPROVE SECURITY ON THE BUSES. AT THE END OF THE DAY I TOLD COUNCILOR LEWIS IF IT DOESN'T PASS, AT LEAST YOU TRIED TO DO SOMETHING. AND I APPRECIATE THAT ABOUT HIM. AND WITH THAT, HOPEFULLY, THE RESOLUTION WILL PASS ABOUT COMING UP WITH A SECURITY PLAN. I THINK THAT WHEN SOMEBODY IS TRYING TO ADDRESS SECURITY, WHEN HE'S BEING TOLD THERE'S SECURITY CONCERNS ON THE BUS AND HE'S TRYING TO ADDRESS IT, I APPRECIATE THAT. WHETHER I'M GOING TO VOTE IT OR VOTE IT DOWN IS ANOTHER THING. I DON'T LIKE THE DIRECTION THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION IS HEADED. >>COUN. BENTON: THERE'S ALREADY BEEN STATED INTENTION TO DEFER. WE NEED TO DEFER THIS BILL. THAT'S CLEAR. WE'VE GOT 30 PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. WE'RE GOING TO START WITH PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME. AGAIN, ONE AND A HALF MINUTE TIME LIMIT DUE TO THE NUMBERS WE HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE. >> FIRST ON THE LIST IS CHRISTOPHER, FOLLOWED BY BARUCH. >> GOOD EVENING, I'M A BUS RIDER. I HAVE RIDDEN THE BUS MORE THAN ONCE THIS PAST MONTH. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO SAY. I'M A CURRENT MEMBER OF THE CITY'S TRANSIT ADVISORY BOARD. HAVE BEEN THE CHAIR FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS. I'M LEADERSHIP WITH TOGETHER FOR BROTHERS WHO HAVE BEEN ORGANIZING FOR FIVE YEARS ON TRANSIT EQUITY. TRANSIT HAS HAD FIVE YEARS TO DO THIS WORK WITH COMMUNITY AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS PEOPLE ARE NOT SHOWING UP TO WORK WITH COMMUNITIES. LAST MONTH THE BOARD PASSED A RESOLUTION CALLING FOR A COMMUNITY SAFETY PLAN. I WANT TO MAKE SOMETHING REALLY CLEAR, 99.8% OF THE PEOPLE WHO RIDE THE BUS, LIKE YOU COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, AND ME EXPERIENCE NO INCIDENTS ON THE BUS, OR ARE NOT CAUSING INCIDENTS. THAT IS THE CURRENT DATA WE HAVE AVAILABLE SINCE OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR INCLUDING THREE MONTHS BEFORE ZERO FARE. WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS INCREASED OF SECURITY CHECKS. UNLIKE THE ALBUQUERQUE SECURITY DEPARTMENT WHOSE MEETING I ATTEND AND TRAINS PERSONS OF RACIAL DATA. WE DON'T SEE DATA FROM METRO SECURITY OF WHAT WE KNOW TO BE TRUE BECAUSE WE KNOW OF BLACK AND NATIVE ABOUT WHO GETS ASKED OR NOT. AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT BEING A PERSON IN ALBUQUERQUE WHO HAS LIVED WITHOUT A PHOTO I.D. BEFORE. WE ARE THE ENVY OF THE COUNTRY. WHAT'S GREAT IS LAS CRUCES IS MOVING TO ZERO FARES. I LOOK FORWARD. >>COUN. BENTON: YOUR TIME IS UP. >> BARUCH, FOLLOWED BY ANITA. >> HELLO, I AM A PROGRAM COORDINATOR WITH TOGETHER FOR BROTHERS AND I SIT IN THE STAYING COMMITTEE WITH -- AND I THINK WE'RE ALL IN DPREEMENT -- AGREEMENT WHEN WE SAY ZERO FARES HAS BEEN EFFECTIVE. IT'S WORKING SPECIFICALLY FOR THE MOST VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES SUCH AS THE REFUGEE COMMUNITIES AND LOW INCOME COMMUNITIES HAVE BENEFITTED EXTREMELY BY ZERO FARES. I CAN TELL YOU MORE TIMES THAN I'D LIKE TO ADMIT I'VE HAD TO ASK MY SHARE OF PITY RIDES WHEN I GREW UP AS A YOUNG PERSON. AND THINGAL -- SINGLE PARENT HOUSEHOLD. THAT'S NOT A GOOD PLACE TO BE. OFTENTIMES IT'S A ROLL OF THE DICE WHETHER I GET ON THE BUS OR WALK MILES TO MY DESTINATION OFTEN IN THE VERY LATE HOURS OF THE NIGHT WHICH IS LOT LESS SAFE THAN GETTING ON THE PUS. AGAIN, YOU'VE -- BUS. YOU'VE HEARD IT ALL TONIGHT. YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE PEOPLE. JUST REALLY WANT TO EXTEND MY EXPERIENCE AND WHAT I'VE BEEN HEARING FROM A LOT OF THE YOUNG PEOPLE I WORK WITH THAT ZERO FARES WORKS. PLEASE DON'T TAKE IT AWAY. SAFETY IS AN ISSUE. IN VARIOUS ASPECTEDS OF OUR LIVES. WORK WITH US, WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY SO WE CAN CREATE REAL SOLUTIONS TO OUR SAFETY ISSUES. >>COUN. PEÑA: I JUST WANTED TO ASK THE STAFF. THIS YOUNG MAN IS SAYING PLEASE DON'T TAKE ZERO FARES AWAY. IF THIS ORDINANCE WERE TO PASS, ARE WE TAKING ZERO FARES AWAY? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, I GUESS COMES BACK TO THAT HOW THAT QUESTION THE TERM ZERO FARES IS DEFINED. WHEN WE VOTE THE ORIGINAL ZERO FARES ORDINANCE THAT SAME QUESTION CAME UP. THE TERM IS KIND OF A NEW TERM OF ART AS WE BEGIN THIS PROCESS OF NOT CHARGING FARES. THE ZERO FARE WAS THAT THERE'S JUST NO FARE CHARGED AT ALL. IN OTHER WORDS THERE'S NOTHING REQUIRED. YOU JUST WALK ON THE BUS. THAT'S WHAT ZERO FARES IS. WE NO LONGER HAVE THAT SYSTEM. WHAT WE WILL HAVE IS A SYSTEM IF YOU -- WE'RE NEAR TOLL FREE. IF YOU HAVE A PASS OR IF YOU HAVE A CERTAIN TYPE OF PHOTO I.D. YOU CAN GET ON FOR FREE. HOWEVER IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THOSE ITEMS, THEN YES YOU PAY FOR A FARE. AGAIN, THE POINT WAS, MY INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE SPONSORS WERE TO GET THAT ACCESS TO GO AS FAR AS WE CAN AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY CAN GET THAT ABILITY TO GET ON FREE. BY USING THE PASS OR OTHER I.D. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. >> ANITA FOLLOWED BY LUIS. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. I'M A LONG-TERM EMPLOYEE OF ALBUQUERQUE HEALTH CARE FOR THE HOMELESS. A BOARD MEMBER OF ALBUQUERQUE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COALITION AND A TRANSIT RIDER. I'M HERE TO URGE YOU TO RETAIN ZERO FARES AND NOT IMPLEMENT A BUS PASS SYSTEM. A PASS SYSTEM THAT WILL CREATE INEQUITIES FOR THE PEOPLE WHO NEED THIS THE MOST. ANY SECURITY ISSUES AND ONES THAT ARE CLEARLY DEFINED CAN BE ADDRESSED BY THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE IN THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. TRANSIT RIDERS SUPPORT SAFE BUSES AND ZERO FARES. OUR TRANSIT DRIVERS, PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND PEOPLE WHO BENEFIT FROM AFFORDABLE HOUSING WILL BEAR THE BRUNT OF ANY PASS SYSTEM. A PASS SYSTEM WILL TAKE MORE TIME AND MAKE THE TRANSIT SYSTEM GATE KEEPERS ARE SOME ARE FORCED TO PAY. PASSES ARE EASILY LOST, CAN BE STOLEN, THROWN AWAY, DISCARDED, WILL COST TO BE REPLACED. LET'S LIST THE BENEFITS TO ZERO FARES. ENHANCES EQUITY ACCESS, AND MAKING ALBUQUERQUE MORE LIVABLE. IT DECREASES BARRIER FOR RIDERS WHO CAN AFFORD TO PAY AND THOSE THAT CANNOT AFFORD TO PAY. IT MAKES BOARDING EASIER AND FASTER. HOUSING APPLICATIONS AND HOUSING. OTHER CITIES HAVE ALREADY FOUND THAT INVESTING IN FAIR COLLECTING SYSTEMS WOULD COST MORE. AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO INCREASE RIDERSHIP AND IMPROVE ACCESS AND EQUITY IS A FAR BETTER INVESTMENT FOR OUR CITY. >> LUIS FOLLOWED BY SAID. >> HELLO, I'M AN ORGANIZING FELLOW WITH TOGETHER FOR BROTHERS. I WANTED TO SHARE HOW ZERO FARES IMPACTED ME. I LIVE IN DISTRICT SIX. AND I HAVE BEEN TRANSIT DEPENDENT FOR PAST YEAR. ZERO FARES MADE IT POSSIBLE TO GET TO WHERE I NEED TO GO AND ARE I WANT TO GO. BY BEING AVAILABLE. FOR THE MOST PART I RIDE MY BIKE. WHEN IT GETS HARDER WITH THE TOUGHER CONDITIONS, FOR EXAMPLE, THE ROAD ON UNIVERSITY NORTH OF GIBSON AND SOUTH OF CENTRAL IS ROUGH. NOT A BIKE ROUTE. THE ROAD IS REALLY HARSH. I GET FLATS OFTEN. YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE TIME IT'S EASIER TO TAKE THE BUS BACK HOME AND GET HOME ALL RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I DO. ESPECIALLY NOW IN THE WINTER AND NOW IT'S GETTING DARK. YEAH, I ALSO WANTED TO SHARE A STORY OVER THE SUMMER. WE CREATED A ZERO FARES MURAL WITH YOUNG MEN OF COLOR. WE COLLECTED STORIES AND SURVEYS OF THE MOST IMPACTED BUS RIDERS AND WE GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THE SURVEYS. IT AFFECTED YOUTH, ELDERLY PEOPLE, AND PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES. WE BASED THE MATERIAL OFF OF THAT. I WANT TO INVITE YOU TO SEE IT. WHENEVER YOU CAN. AND YEAH, JUST WANTED TO SHARE ABOUT THAT. YOU KNOW THIS MATERIAL -- MURAL REFLECTS HOW ZERO FARES MADE AN IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY. IT CONNECTED US TO THE LAND. AND HOPEFULLY YOU GET TO SEE IT. >> SAYED FOLLOWED BY PATRICK. PATRICK FOLLOWED BY HALE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. I LIVE IN DISTRICT SIX. PROUD RSIDENT OF THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT. I'M ALSO 100% SERVICE CONNECTED DISABLED VETERAN. I AM NEITHER HOMELESS NOR DO I REGULARLY AND ROUTINELY RIDE THE CITY BUSES TO GET WHERE I NEED TO GO. BOTH OF THOSE FACTS HAVE NOT ALWAYS BEEN TRUE. I SPENT YEARS LIVING STREET LEVEL HOMELESS WITH UNTREATED UNDIAGNOSED MENTAL ILLNESS. AT TIMES I COULD NOT AFFORD TOKEN LEVEL FARES FOR PUBLIC TRANSIT. NOR DID I ALWAYS HAVE PHOTO I.D. IF YOU HAVE NEVER LIVED HOMELESS YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. YOU DON'T ALWAYS HAVE THAT DOCUMENT. AT TIMES IT PREVENTED ME FROM ACCESSING PROGRAMS. I'M HERE TO URGE THE REJECTION OF THIS BILL. YOU CAN'T AMENDING BAD LAW. IT'S STILL BAD LAW. LET'S LOOK AT SECURITY SEPARATE FROM THE FARES. NO FARES FOR ANYONE. STEP ABOARD A BUS, GET WHERE YOU NEED TOO GET GOING. COUNCILORS HAVE BEEN VERY VOCAL IN LOCAL MEDIA ATTEMPTING TO WRAP THIS IN THE RHETORIC OF CRIME CRIME CRIME. WHEN CRIMES ARE COMMITTED BY INDIVIDUALS ON CITY BUSES, THAT'S A SITUATION THAT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY SHOULD ME EMPOWERED AND FUNDED TO HANDLE. NO FARES. >> HALLY FOLLOWED BY JOANNA. JOANNA FOLLOWED BY JENNIFER. JENNIFER FOLLOWED BY REBECCA. >> TONIGHT I'VE HEARD, AGAIN, LAST WEEK I HEARD, THE WEEK BEFORE THAT I HEARD, POLICING -- CRIME ON PEOPLE. POLICING THE POOR. THAT'S ALL WE KEEP HEARING. THERE'S NO CAUSAL SITUATION BETWEEN FREE BUS FARE AND CRIME. IT'S POVERTY. IF YOU ALL SAW SYSTEMICALLY THE SITUATION, PROVIDE GOOD HOUSING, HELP GIVE PEOPLE GOOD WORKING WAGES, WHERE ARE THE CITY BUS WORKERS DROPPING OFF LIKE FLIES? I WONDER WHAT THEY GET PAID? I WONDER WHAT THEIR SCHEDULE IS LIKE. MAYBE IF THEY WERE PAID $50 AN HOUR, THEY MIGHT STAY. MAYBE INSTEAD OF A $250,000 STUDY, YOU HIRE BUS DRIVERS AND YOU PAY THEM WELL. ONE THING THAT'S INCREASED WE KEEP HEARING AGAIN AND AGAIN IS RENT. 40%. NO WAGES HAVE INCREASED FOR PEOPLE. STUDIES THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES, YOU WANT DATA, DATA SAYS AN INCREASE IN POVERTY IS A DIRECT CORRELATION TO AN INCREASE IN CRIME. YOU CAN'T POLICE YOURSELF OF A SITUATION. TAKE CARE OF THE CITY BUS WORKERS. TAKE CARE OF COMMUNITY. BUILD COMMUNITY, DON'T CREATE MORE SECURITY MEASURES. BUILD COMMUNITY LEADERS TO WELCOME AND GREET PEOPLE WHO GET ON THE BUS. HI, HOW ARE YOU DOING TODAY. THANK YOU. JUST LIKE THEY DO IN A GROCERY STORE. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU. YOUR TIME IS EXPIRED. >> REBECCA FOLLOWED BY TONY. >> YEAH, WHAT I'VE LEARNED TONIGHT IS CRIME IS NOT INCREASED ON THE BUS. SO THIS AMENDMENT TO THE FREE FARES PROGRAM IS BASED ON A MYTH. IT'S CLEARLY CRAFTED TO TARGET AND CRIMINALIZE THOSE WHO STRUGGLE TO AFFORD BUS RIDES. AND YEAH, LIKE JEN SAID THOSE BUS DRIVERS DESERVE A RAISE AND NEED TO GET PAID. AND IF YOU REALLY WORRIED ABOUT CRIME SAME THING PEOPLE AREN'T PAID NEGATIVE, IMPROVE POVERTY. IF YOU CARE ABOUT EMPLOYEES INCREASE WAGES AND BENEFITS. PAY PEOPLE LIVING WAGE TO CLEAN THE BUS. PAY PEOPLE TO LIVING WAGE TO DRIVE BUS. 40,000 IS NOT ENOUGH, ESPECIALLY WITH RISING RENT. THEY WOULD REALLY BE MAKING LIKE SIX FIGURES. LIKE WHY NOT. BUS DRIVERS AND THE PEOPLE WHO CLEAN ALL THE CRAP OFF THE BUS SOME RESPECT. FOR FIVE MONTHS I HAD TO TAKE THE BUS FROM DISTRICT ONE TO DISTRICT SIX BECAUSE MY CAR BROKE. IT ONLY CAME ONCE EVERY 40 MINUTES AND BE EARLY OR LATE SO I'D MISS THE BUS ALL THE TIME. AND IN THE EVENING I COULDN'T TAKE THE BUS HOME I HAD TO GET RIDES OR UBER BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY TO GET HOME WHEN I WAS DONE WORKING. WE NEED BUSES EXPANDED NOT POOR BUS RIDERS CRIMINALIZED. >> TONY FOLLOWED BY ALTHEIA. >> HELLO, I'M WITH THE NEW MEXICO COALITION TO END HOMELESSNESS. I STAND WITH THOSE WHO SPOKE PREVIOUSLY AND OPPOSING THE I.D. TO RIDE THE BUS. REQUIREMENTS WHAT PUT AN UNNECESSARY BARRIER FOR PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS WHO ALREADY FACE BARRIERS ACCESSING RESOURCES. ONE OF THOSE BARRIERS IS HAVING OR OBTAINING PERSONAL IDENTIFICATION. PEOPLE NEED THE BUS TOTRAVEL TO ORGANIZATIONS THAT CAN PROVIDE THEM WITH AN I.D. THEY ALSO NEED THE BUS TO ACCESS FOOD, MEDICAL CARE, JOBS, SCHOOLS, AND MANY OTHER THINGS. REQUIRING AN I.D. TO DO THOSE THINGS WOULD ONLY ADD TO THE FRUSTRATION AND DRAIN RESOURCE AND TIME OF PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS AND THOSE TRYING TO HELP THEM. IT WOULD ALSO ADD FUEL TO THE FALSE NARRATIVE. O-22-47 FEELS LIKE AN ATTEMPT TO INVISIBIZE PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS SO WE'RE NOT REMINDED OF THEIR EXISTENCE. WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT. WE NEED TO PUT ENERGY INTO SOLUTIONS LIKE INCREASING CASE MANAGEMENT AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND WAGES BETTER THAN RAMPING UP RESTRICTIONS. >> ALTEHA FOLLOWED BY NICKELOUS. >> I'M A TRANSIT RIDE AND EXPECTING MY FIRST CHILD SO PUBLIC SAFETY HAS BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT OF MY MIND. WHILE THE NUMBER OF SECURITY CALLS INCREASED SO HAS RIDERSHIP WHICH IS A GOOD THING. AND THE PERCENTAGE OFRIDERS REMAIN STEADY. I FEEL VERY SAFE TAKING THE BUS. O-22-47 WILL WORSEN BUS SAFETY. WE DON'T HAVE TO REQUIRE OUR WALLET OR PASS IN PUBLIC AND WE HAVE BYSTANDERS AROUND US WHICH DECREASES CHANCES OF PEOPLE ACTING VIOLENTLY TOWARD US. AND DECREASES THE ANGER OF THE PELO RIDERS. AND IT ALSO COMES WITH THE COST MAINTAINING COLLECTION SYSTEMS, OVERSIGHT, AND THOSE DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS WOULD FALL BACK ON THE BUS DRIVERS WHO ARE ALREADY OVERBURDENED. AND PARDON THE BUN IT'S UNFAIR TO EXPECT THE BUS RIDERS TO CHOOSE BETWEEN PAYING AND SHARING THEIR INFORMATION WITH THE CITY. I WENT ON MANY TRANSIT SYSTEMS AND I'VE NEVER BEEN ASKED TO SHARE DATE OF BIRTH. THERE'S A RESOLUTION PASSED TO FORM A COMPREHENSIVE SAFETY PLAN. I URGE YOU TO NOT PASS THIS PROPOSAL AND FOLLOW THE DIRECTION OF THE TRANSIT BOARD AND BRING TOGETHER STAKEHOLERS HITTING THE SOLUTIONS HEAD ON. >> NICK ELO CIRCUMSTANCE ? >> ROGER FOLLOWED BY GREGORY. GREGORY FOLLOWED BY JOHNNY. JOHNNY FOLLOWED BY DIANE. DIANE FOLLOWED BY JASON. JASON FOLLOWED BY FELIPE. >> GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL. I WANT TODAY SPEAK ON THE BUS FARE. I THINK THAT BY ADDING IN THE EXTRA STEPS NEEDED TO GET PEOPLE TO HAVE THAT FREE PASS, IT'S GOING TO CREATE DIFFICULTIES WE DON'T NEED. I'M WORRIED ABOUT PEOPLE NOT GETTING ACCESS TO THE BUS. IT'S A MAJOR HELP FOR MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. BEING ABLE TO ACCESS DIFFERENT AREAS OF ALBUQUERQUE WITHOUT HAVING TO WALK FOR MILES ON END. THERE'S ROUGH STREETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT HAS BEEN A MAJOR LIFESAVER FOR MANY PEOPLE. TOWARD THE ISSUE OF THE BUS DRIVERS AND HAVING THE SHORTAGE, AGAIN, I THINK WE NEED TO PAY THEM MORE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE SHOULD MAKE THAT A VALUED POSITION IN THE COMMUNITY. MUCH LIKE COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS WHO ARE ALSO BUS DRIVERS. MY GRANDFATHER USED TO DRIVE THE BUS IN NEW YORK. HE LOVED HIS JOB. HE'S A BIG FAN OF BEING A BUDRIVER. IT WAS SOME OF THE BEST YEARS. HE WAS PAID A DECENT WAGE. IT WAS A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE AND WE SHOULD RECREATE THAT IN ALBUQUERQUE. AND LASTLY, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE CITY, SHOULD THIS BOW BE A CONSIDER-DEPENDENT CITY OR INCENTIVIZE BUS USE. IF WE CAN DO THAT WE CAN LOWER THE IMPACT OF OUR AR-CENTRIC CITY. >> FELIPE FOLLOWED BY JOSETTE. JOSETTE FOLLOWED BY JESUS. JS JESUS FOLLOWED BY KAREN. >> HELLO, EVERYONE. SORRY. I'M THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PROJECT NOW NEW MEXICO. I WITH WOULD LIKE TO SAY CRIDE LIKE -- I'D LIKE TO KEEP ZERO FARES. I'M A PART OF THE ZERO FARES COALITION. STRONGLY ININ FAVOR OF KEEPING THE FARES THE WAY IT IS. FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN STATED TONIGHT. I'D LIKE TO THANK COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN AND COUNCILOR DAVIS FOR POINTING OUT THE MANY, MANY FLAWS IN THIS ORDINANCE. AND I WOULD LIKE FOR SOME COMMON SENSE SOLUTIONS THAT DON'T BREAK DOWN WHO DESERVES TO RIDE THE BUS BY FIVE YEARS OLD, TEN YEARS OLD, VETERANS, MEDICARE, WHAT ARE WE DOING WHEN THAT'S HOW WE'RE BREAKING IT DOWN. THANK YOU. >> JESUS FOLLOWED BY KAREN. >> HELLO, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT ZERO FARES -- AND IT HAS HELPED A LOT OF PEOPLE IN SO MANY WAYS. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF IT STAYS. NOT EVERYONE HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO -- BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE MONEY. AND WE'RE NOT ABLE TO RIDE BECAUSE OF THAT. IT'S IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES TO HAVE ACCESS TO FREE TRANSIT BECAUSE MOST OF THE TIME IT'S HARD TO GET RIDES FROM PEOPLE. HAVING THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BE SO MUCH BETTER. IT GIVES ME A CHANCE TO BE INDEPENDENT. WE'RE NOT ABLE TO [ INAUDIBLE ]. LOW FARES MAKE IT EASIER FOR RIDERS LIKE ME IN A WHEELCHAIR. >> KAREN FOLLOWED BY PATRICK. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS. I'M SPEAKING IN STRONG OPPOSITE TO THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE. YESTERDAY, I DID A GOOGLE SEARCH FOR STABBING ON BUS ALBUQUERQUE. AFTER WATCHING THE NIGHTLY NEWS. WATCHED A LOCAL NEWS VIDEO SHOWING A MAN BOARDING A BUS AND ACCOSTING HIS EX-GIRLFRIEND, A FIGHT BROKE OUT BETWEEN HIM AND HER NEW BOYFRIEND AND STABBED HIM. THEY EXITED THE BUS WITH THE NEW BOYFRIEND CONTINUING TO STAB HIM. THIS OCCURRED IN 2015, SEVEN YEARS BEFORE ZERO FARES. ANECDOTAL YES. CAUSED BY ZERO FARES, NO. WHAT'S MORE, VIOLENCE IN THE FORM OF ROAD RAGE, WHICH I'VE EXPERIENCED , CAR JACKING, PEOPLE WIELDING WEAPONS THAT KILL OR INJURE PEOPLE ON PARKING LOTS, SIDEWALKS AND ALSO INCREASED. THIS IS ALL TRAGIC BUT OBVIOUSLY NOT RELATE TODAY ZERO FARES. THIS FLOOR SUBSTITUTE IS A RED HERRING, APD ALREADY HAS A PROCESS FOR TRACKING PEOPLE THAT CAUSE PROBLEMS ON THE BUSES. THIS WILL BURDEN THE VERY UNDERSTAFFED TRANSIT DEPARTMENT WITH NEW BUREAUCRACY THAT WILL COST $200,000 TO IMPLEMENT. THIS IS COUNTER INTUITIVE. SPENDING ALL THAT MONEY. I ASK THE COUNCILORS TO VOTE NO ON THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE. AND REGARDING THE BUS SHORTAGE, I HAVE LEARNED THAT BUS DRIVER. >> YOUR TIME IS UP. PATRICK. >> I'M A BUS USER IN DISTRICT SIX. AND I'D LIKE TO REMIND EVERYONE OF WHAT NON-ZERO FARES WAS LIKE BY SHARING MY EXPERIENCE WHEN I FIRST MOVED TO ALBUQUERQUE. I WAS IN NOB HILL LOOKING ADD APARTMENTS AND I HAD TO GO TO BALLOO PARK. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE MACHINE WOULDN'T TAKE MY CARD. AND WHEN I GAVE IT MY LAST DOLLAR IT ATE THEM WITHOUT PRINTING A PASS. WHEN PEOPLE TALK THE CONVENIENCE OF ZERO FARES THEY'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THE BOARDING PROCESS AND NOT NEEDING TO KEEP TRACK OF FARES AND PASSES. WE'RE NOT SUBJECT TO THE WHIMS OF PASS MACHINES. IT MEANS NOT WATCHING THE PASSENGERS TO FUMBLE FOR PAYMENTS. ZERO FARES HAS BEEN AMAZING. I URGE YOU TO CONTINUE THIS PROGRAM INDEAF THATLY. >> THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. BENTON: COUNCILORS, WE'RE FINISHED WITH PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAVE SUBSTITUTED THE BILL FOR THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE. IS THERE A MOTION FOR DEFERRAL? >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, BEFORE WE DO THAT, I JUST WANTED TO ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION FROM THE DIRECTOR OF TRANSIT. ON SUN VAN, IF YOU YOU CAN -- ON THE SUN VAN, DO PEOPLE UTILIZE THEM STILL HAVE TO FILL OUT AN APPLICATION? >> YES, THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF FILLING OUT THE APPLICATION TO MEET THE ADA REQUIREMENTS. >>COUN. PEÑA: SO, IF SOMEONE MISSES A PICK UP BECAUSE THEY FORGOT TO CANCEL AN APPOINTMENT AFTER THREE, DO THEY STILL GET SUSPENDED FROM SUN VAN? >> IF THEY HAVE SO MANY, I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY, THEY HAVE SUSPENSION. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. THE ONLY REASON I DID THAT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO DEFER IT NOW. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT AGAIN, FREE FARES, SUPPORTED FROM THE BEGINNING, SUPPORTING THE STUDY TO INCREASE TRANSIT DRIVER'S PAY. SUPPORTED THE STUDY TO COME UP WITH A PLAN. COUNCILOR LEWIS IS PROPOSING THIS ORDINANCE THAT ADDRESSES PUBLIC -- AN ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS PUBLIC SAFETY ON THE BUS. I WOULD SAY TO OTHERS BECAUSE IT'S EASY TO SAY WE DON'T LIKE IT, BUT I HOPE IF THIS DOESN'T PASS, THAT OF COURSE WE HAVE THE SECURITY PLAN MOVING FORWARD, BUT I HOPE THAT SOMEBODY COMES UP WITH SOMETHING ABOUT ADDRESSING A PUBLIC ON THE BUS. WE DID HEAR FROM LOTS OF PEOPLE, ANECDOTAL, I WAS LOOKING AND LOOKING THROUGH MY PHONE THROUGH SOME EMAILS THAT WERE TRANSIT DRIVERS SAYING THEY NEEDED HELP ON THE BUS, THEY NEEDED MORE SECURITY AND WE ARE. I JUST WANTED TO SAY TO SOME OF THE FOLKS, WE HAVE BEEN PUTTING MONEY INTO TRANSIT AND INTO ADDRESSING THE SHORTAGE AND ADDRESSING THE SAFETY ON THE BUS. I TALKED ABOUT IT EARLIER ABOUT HOW WE PUT MONEY INTO CLEANING THE BUSES. I BELIEVE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I TALKED TO COUNCILOR LEWIS ABOUT WAS PUBLIC SAFETY IS NOT JUST ABOUT SOME OF THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY THAT MAY ORINATE BE HAPPENING ON THE BUT. BUT IT'S ABOUT BETTER LIGHTING AND CLEAN BUS STOPS AND MAKING SURE THAT THING THERE'S AT THE BUS STOPS WORK. LIKE SOME OF THE SIGNAGE THAT DIRECT PEOPLE WHO NEED THAT IS IN PLACE. YOU KNOW, JUST LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO WORK WITH EVERYONE TO TRY TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO MAKE THIS A BETTER BILL AND IF WE TAKE OUT THE PUBLIC SAFETY PART OF IT, THEN, YOU KNOW I KNOW THAT AS A COUNCILOR, AND BEING ON COUNCIL THAT WE KNOW THAT IF WE HEAR FROM CONSTITUENTS ABOUT SAFETY ON THE BUSES, EVEN THOUGH I SUPPORT FREE FARES, WHEN YOU HEAR ABOUT THAT YOU CAN'T JUST IGNORE THAT. AND I'LL END WITH THAT. I'LL MOTION FOR A DEFERRAL. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG DID YOU WANT TO DO, COUNCILOR LEWIS? FOR 30 DAYS. >>COUN. BENTON: THAT WOULD BE TO DECEMBER 5th. WE DID PASS THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE. THANKS. WE'RE -- NO OTHER COMMENTS, WE'LL MOVE TO A VOTE. FOR THE SUBSTITUTION. EXCUSE ME FRRB -- FOR THE DEFERRAL. THIS IS ON THE DEFERRAL UNTIL DECEMBER 5. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? OPPOSED? THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'LL MOVE M6. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, M6 IS ASKING NEW MEXICO LEGISLATURE TO REINSTATE QUALIFIED IMMUNITY. I MOVE A DUE PASS. >>COUN. BENTON: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND. COUNCILOR. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS THE SUPPORT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. AEFRN EVERYONE KNOWS I'M RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT. AND WHEN I WAS LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WE HAD 640 FIELD OFFICERS. NOW WE ONLY HAVE 297. WHICH IS A DISPARITY OF 343 OFFICERS. OUR DEPARTMENT IS SMALLER NOW THAN IT WAS IN 1989 WHEN I STARTED. RIGHT AFTER THAT, THE CHIEF THAT CAME ON WAS JOE POLLZAR. HE A STRENGTH OF 927. HE BUILT THE DEPARTMENT DURING THE TIME THAT I WAS THERE. AND SO, THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS WE NEED TO SEE HAPPENING WITHIN OUR AREA. I KNOW RIGHT NOW THAT IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IN MY OPINION IS HAMPERING THE GROWTH OF LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES IS THE FACT WE NO LONGER HAVE QUALIFIED IMMUNITY. WE CAN'T HIRE OFFICERS, WE CAN'T RETAIN OFFICERS AND OUR OFFICERS NEED OUR SUPPORT. THEY NEED THE CITIZENS SUPPORT. THE DEPARTMENT SUPPORT. AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE GIVE THEM THE SUPPORT THAT THEY NEED TO DO THEIR JOBS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OFFICERS ARE IS PUBLIC SAFETY EMPLOYEES. THEY PUT THEIR LIVES ON THE LINE FOR US EACH AND EVERY DAY. AND HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION IN A SPLIT SECOND THAT COULD CHANGE HIS LIFE OR ANOTHER PERSON'S LIFE IN A MICROSECOND. AND I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT NO OFFICER, NOT ONE OFFICER, THAT IS ASSIGNED TO ANY POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THAT GOES THROUGH THE VETTING PROCESS THAT OFFICERS GO THROUGH STARTING OUT WITH A VERY LARGE NUMBER OF OFFICERS AND DWINDLING TO A SMALL NUMBER OF OFFICERS TESTING THEIR INTEGRITY AT EVERY LEVEL. INCLUDING THE POLICE ACADEMY AFTER THE ACADEMY BEFORE THE ACADEMY, I MEAN, ON AND ON. AND THE AMOUNT OF CONTACTS WITH OFFICERS. YOU KNOW, THE AVERAGE PERSON DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF CONTACTS WITH POLICE. BUT POLICE OFFICERS MAKE A LOT OF CONTACTS WITH INDIVIDUALS AS THEY GO THROUGHOUT THEIR DAY. THERE'S MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF CONTACTS THAT GO ON AND THOSE CONTACTS ARE GOOD CONTACTS. SOLID. AS I SAID BEFORE, NO OFFICER GOES INTO ANY OF THIS JOB WANTING TO HURT SOMEBODY OR VIOLENT ANYBODY'S RIGHTS. I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT EVERY SINGLE OFFICER GOES INTO THE PROFESSION WANTING TOD THEIR JOB. THERE'S SYSTEMS IN PLACE THAT MAKE SURE THEY DO THEIR JOB TO THE BEST OF THE ABILITY AND STAY WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE EMPLOYMENT. I THINK IT'S REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. SO, I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THE OFFICERS HAVE A TOOL TO MAKE SURE THEY CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THEY CAN GO OUT AND DO THEIR JOB THE WAY THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO THEIR JOB WITHOUT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT IT. AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS. AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE LOOKING AT A MEMORIAL. WE'RE JUST ASKING THE OFTEN TO LOOK AT IT. DEPENDING ON THE MAKE UP OF THE LEGISLATURE, THAT'S HOW IT GOES. I'M ASKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. REALLY QUICKLY. I KNOW IT'S GETTING LATE. AND I SUSPECT THE VOTES ON THIS ARE ALREADY SET. I THINK COUNCILOR SANCHEZ IS I GET A CHANCE TO PLAY I WAS THE FORMER COP A LITTLE WHILE. I DON'T SEE IT VERY MUCH. THERE ARE A FEW PIECES OF LEGISLATION AROUND PUBLIC SAFETY THAT FOLKS WILL BE SURPRISED WE'RE GOING TO SUPPORT. I THINK THERE'S CRITICAL PIECES WE HAVE TO DO TO SUPPORT THE OFFICERS AND MAKE THE CITY SAFER AND STRONGER. I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THAT IS NOT REQUIRED. I WAS A COP TOO. I WAS INVOLVED IN AN OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTING. BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF DOING THIS JOB AND DOING IT RIGHT AND SETTING THE RIGHT EXAMPLE. I AGREE WITH YOU, COUNCILOR, I DON'T THINK ANYONE GOES INTO THIS JOB EXPECTING TO BREAK THE RULES OR VIOLATE THE LAW OR UNLAWFULLY TAKE AWAY THEIR LIFE. THAT IS NOT THE LAST REQUIRED OPTION. THE FACT IS WE HAVE BAD APPLES AND SOMETIMES THEY DO. AND SOMETIMES THEY ACT WITH SUCH CARELESS DISREGARD OF THE COMMUNITY AND SAFETY AND THEY HAVE TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE. THE HISTORY OF POLICING IN THIS COUNTRY IS CERTAIN PUBLIC OFFICIALS INCLUDING POLICE OFFICERS HAVE NOT BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT. AND PART OF THAT IS THEY'RE NOT HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT OTHER PEOPLE IN THEIR DAB I'M PROUD THAT THEY'RE TAKING THE FIRST STEP TO SET THE RULES FOR POLICE OFFICERS AND REQUIRE -- WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE POLICE DEPARTMENT WE CAN HAVE STATE POLICE AND SHERIFF. WE CHOOSE TO DO THAT. WE HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO TRAIN THEM RIGHT AND SET THE RULES AND TAKE ON SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING. OUR CITY HAS DONE WRONG BY THEM IN THE PAST. WE HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB OF RECRUITING NEW OFFICERS. WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS THAT WE'RE SEEING MORE RETIREMENTS FROM OLDER GENERATIONS OF OFFICERS FOR LOTS OF REASONS THAT I UNDERSTAND. BUT IF YOU CALL 911 TODAY, THERE'S A 90% CHANCE YOU'RE GETTING AN OFFICER THAT CAME TO THE OFFICER EXPECTING TO WEAR A CAMERA, HOPING TO RIDE A BIKE OR DO FOOT WORK. AND DO POLICING WORK UNDER THE NEW STANDARDS TO ENSURE WE HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL POLICE DEPARTMENT. THE FACT IS WE SIMPLY DID NOT AND WE WERE DOING IT WRONG FOR A REALLY LONG TIME. AND PAYING THE COST. I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT TO HAVE -- IT'S NOT UNREASONABLE TO EXPECT THAT OUR PUBLIC OFFICIALS INCLUDING OUR POLICE OFFICERS FOLLOW THE LAW, DON'T VIOLATE THE CONSTITUTION AND CERTAIN AND PROTECT IN AN HONORABLE WAY. IF SOMEONE IS NOT WILLING OR TO SET THAT EXPECTATION ON THEMSELVES OR OTHERS THEY SHOULDN'T WORK. FOR THAT REASON THE STATE HAS TAKEN AN IMPORTANT FIRST STEP IN HOLDING OUR OFFICERS ACCOUNTABLE AND SETTING A NEW STANDARD AND I HOPE THE LEGISLATURE CONTINUES TO UPHOLD THAT EXPECTATION EVEN IF THIS COUNCIL DOES VOLT TO ENCOURAGE TO DO SO. I WON'T SUPPORT ANYTHING THAT WOULD REPEAL THE CURRENT STATUS OF OUR PROTECTIONS AND OUR EXPECT EGGS EXPECTATIONS FOR POLICE OFFICERS. >>COUN. BENTON: COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I'M NOT A FAN, I KNOW I SAID THIS REPEDETALLY. I'M I'M NOT FAN IT'S A NATION WIDE PROBLEM, YOU MOM USED TO SAY I DON'T CARE ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE, I CARE ABOUT YOU. WHEN I TELL HER ABOUT HOW MY GRADES IN SCHOOL. THIS IS ABOUT ALBUQUERQUE. THIS IS ABOUT WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE'RE DOING. I'M HEARING TONIGHT ON MULTIPLE LEGISLATION THAT IT'S A NATION WIDE PROBLEM AND WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THAT AND ACCEPT IT. YET, ON THIS THEY'RE SAYING THIS IS A SPECIFIC PROBLEM. WE NEED TO NOW HAVE A SPECIFI AN AVENUE. I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK WE DID HAVE A PROBLEM. THAT WE DID NEED TO RECTIFY. AND I BELIEVE THAT APD IS WORKING VERY HARD TO DO SO AND COME A LONG WAY. I DON'T THINK THAT ON ONE HAND WE SHOULD SAY LET'S KEEP ZERO FARES AND IGNORE THE BAD APPLES. AND ON THE OTHER HAND SAY APD HAS BAD APPLES AND WE SHOULD PUNISH THEM ALL. I THINK WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO BE CONSISTENT. I THINK APD HAS CAME A LONG WAY. I THINK THEY'RE WORKING REALLY HARD. I THINK THEY ALONG WITH EVERYONE ELSE INCLUDING ME AND EVERYONE HAS TO MAKE PROGRESS. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE NEED TO GO AND CHERRY PICK LITTLE PORTIONS OF ONE THING AND NOT CONSISTENT ON ANOTHER. I THINK IT'S SAD THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN SOME OF THOSE DETAILS. I REALLY HOPE THAT WE DO END UP PROTECTING THOSE. THE OTHER NATION WIDE PROBLEM WE HEARD ABOUT TONIGHT TOO IS THERE'S MORE POLICE SHOOTING AND KILLING THAN EVER, AND THERE'S MORE HOMICIDES AND MURDERS THAN EVER. WE CAN'T CHERRY PICK HALF THE INFORMATION. IT'S GOING TO APPLY HERE AS WELL. I THINK THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT WE'RE ALL CONSISTENT IN SOME OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT WE'RE MAKING NO MATTER WHICH WAY WE DECIDE TO GO. I SUPPORT APD. I'M PROUD OF WHERE THEY HAVE COME FROM. FOR HOW THEY'RE PROGRESSING. AND WE NEED TO SUPPORT THAT. I WILL ABSOLUTELY BE SUPPORTING THE MEMORIAL. >>COUN. BENTON: COUNCILOR PEÑA AND COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. PEÑA: THAT YOU HAPPENING . >>COUN. PEÑA: ON THE MEMORIAL, I SHUFFLED THROUGH EVERYTHING. I MESSED UP MY PAPERWORK. I WAS WONDERING IF LEGAL CAN EXPLAIN SOME OF THE CHANGES ON THE MEMORIAL IN TERMS OF THE -- AND LOST IT. I WROTE IT DOWN AND LOST IT. IF THE POLICE OFFICER IS PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE, CAN THEY BE SUED? >> ARE YOU ASKING WHETHER AN INDIVIDUAL OFFICER CAN BE SUED UNDER THE STATE OF THE LAW? YES, THERE HAVE HAS BEEN LAWSUITS FILED AGAINST OFFICERS AT APD. >>COUN. PEÑA: SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY A MEMORIAL IS JUST ASKING THE STATE, AND LIKE I MENTIONED I HAVE HARD TIME WITH MEMORIALS BUT I DID ONE MYSELF. SO, IF -- OKAY. YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION. I HAD AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION BUT I LOST WHERE I WROTE IT DOWN. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BENTON: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I HAD A QUICK QUESTION. I ALSO SUPPORT APD. AND I WAS WONDERING IF THE CITY OR APD HAS A POSITION ON THIS MEMORIAL. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, OBVIOUSLY WE SUPPORT ALONG THE LINES THAT COUNCILOR DAVIS DESCRIBED. ACCOUNTABILITY FOR PUBLIC SERVANTS. THAT INCLUDES LAW ENFORCEMENT. SHEEN -- ALSO WE'VE TAKEN THE PERSPECTIVE THAT WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT MAJOR ISSUES. ALL THE MAJOR CRIME INITIATIVE ISSUES BEFORE THE LEGISLATURE ARE ISSUES WE BELIEVE ARE GOING TO SUPPORT NOT ONLY OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY BUT OUR COURTS AND PROSECUPROSECUTORS. THOSE ARE THE BIG AGENDA ITEMS. WE WANT TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE SUCH AN ISSUE IN SANTA FE WE'RE DEBATING ALL THESE ISSUES ON EVERY FRONT. THESE OTHER ISSUES ARE MUCH MORE IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF HELPING SOLVE THE CRIME ISSUES IN THE COMMUNITY AND PROVIDE RESOURCES TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY. AND DO OUR JOB ON BEHALF OF THE CITY. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. I DON'T THINK THERE'S MAJOR PROBLEM AT THE ROUND HOUSE ON THIS. THIS BILL JUST PASSED IN 2021. WITH REALLY HUGE MARGINS. I DON'T FORESEE ANY CHANGES. THANK YOU FOR THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE. >>COUN. BENTON: COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: I DIDN'T FIND. HOW DID THE STATE LAW CHANGE? FROM PRIOR TO NOW WHAT OCCURRED IN THE STATE LAW? >> SO, MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I'M NOT SURE I'M REMEMBERING CORRECTLY, UNDER THE PRIOR LAW THE LAWSUIT WOULD BE ONLY AGAINST THE INSTITUTION. AND NOW IT CAN BE AGAINST THE INDIVIDUAL OFFICER. >>COUN. PEÑA: PERSONALLY THEIR FAMIIES AND EVERYONE CAN BE AFFECTED BY THE CHANGE, CORRECT? >> THAT IS POSSIBLE. THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF A JUDGMENT YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: I AMMING HAVE SOME OTHER . >>COUN. PEÑA: I JUST WANT SOME OTHER QUESTIONS. I'D LIKE TO ASK FOR A DEFERRAL FOR 30 DAYS. >>COUN. BENTON: I SECOND THAT MOTION. ANY DISCUSSION? >>COUN. LEWIS: WE DON'T HAVE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS TONIGHT. WHY DON'T WE ASK QUESTIONS AND SEE IF WE DON'T HAVE ANSWERS TO THEM. >>COUN. BENTON: THE MOTION FOR A DEFERRAL TAKES PRECEDENT TO ANOTHER DISCUSSION. >> MR. PRESIDENT, YES THAT'S CORRECT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO DEFER. THAT TAKES PRECEDENT. YOU CAN DEBATE THE MOTION TO DEFER. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF FOLKS SIGNED FROM THIS BILL TO SPEAK. YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE THEIR COMMENTARY BEFORE TAKING A VOTE. >>COUN. BENTON: WE HAVE 12 PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. THAT WILL BE UP TO THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL WHETHER WE WANT TO HEAR THEM BEFORE WE VOTE ON THE DEFERRAL MOTION. THE DEFERRAL MOTION IS BEFORE US NOW. COUNCILORS? OKAY. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS MORGAN FOLLOWED BY JORDAN. >> SO, I'M CURIOUS THAT SOME OF YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU BELIEVE NO COPS HAVE BED INTENTIONS WHEN IT'S WELL-DOCUMENTS LIKE DERRICK SHOWVEN HAD 17 REPORTS AGAINST HIM BEFORE HE PUT A KNEE ON GEORGE FLOYD'S COMBEK. GEORGE ZIMMER SOMEONE SOLD THE GUN FOR $250,000. THAT'S EGREGIOUS TO ME. ACCORDING TO RESEARCH FROM THEICATEO -- 66% OF AMERICANS SUPPORT REPEALING THE DOCTRINE OF QUALIFIED IMTUNITY SO CITIZENS CAN SUE PUBLIC POLICE FOR WRONGFUL MISCONDUCT. LESS THAN 10% OF OFFICERS ARE INVESTIGATED FOR MISCONDUCT. THAT MEANS MOST OF THE OFFICERS HAVE LENGTHY TRACK RECORDS. POLICE GROUPS RECOGNIZE THE HARM THAT QUALIFIED IMMUNITY DOES TO THE PROFESSION. HUGE NUMBERS OF CASES ARE DISMISSED. AND THE FOURTH AMENDMENT PROTECTS THE COPS AS LONG AS IT'S REASONABLE. IT'S AN ARBITRARY STANDARD PROVIDING COVER FOR BAD OFFICERS. LAW ENFORCEMENT -- IN ORDER TO INCLUDE PUBLIC SAFETY WE NEED TO BUILD TRUST IN LAW ENFORCEMENT THERE MUST BE TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY. WE MUST END THE LEGAL DOCTRINE IN THE JUSTICE SYSTEM. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, YOUR TIME IS UP. >> JORDAN FOLLOWED BY CYNTHIA. CYNTHIA FOLLOWED BY KEVIN. >> I'M AN ORGANIZER WITH THE PARTY OF SOCIALISM AND LIBERATION. THERE IS A RECORD OF APD ACTING IN NOT IN GOOD FAITH. IN FACT THEY HAD THE CONSENT DECREE THEY HAD TO AGREE TO IN 2014 AFTER UPRISING, AFTER APD MURDERED JAMES BOYD AND IT IT WAS NATIONALIZED. IT HAD NATIONAL ATTENTION. AGAIN, JUST THIS YEAR APD HAD NATIONAL ATTENTION BECAUSE THEY MURDERED A 15-YEAR-OLD BUOY IN A FIRE. THE IDEA THEY SHOULDN'T BE HELD PERSONALLY ACCOUNTABLE FOR DESTROYING PEOPLE'S LIVES IS RIDICULOUS. YOU SHOULD BE CHARGING THESE PEOPLE. YOU SHOULD BE JAILING COPS AND HOLDING THEM PERSONALLY ACCOUNTABLE. THEY'RE DESTROYING OUR COMMUNITIES. THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN CRIMINALIZE PEOPLE FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD THE BUS AND YOU'RE SAYING PICK AND CHOOSE WHO IS BAD AND WHO IS NOT. YOU HAVE A DOCTRINE THAT SAYS THAT APD HAS A PATTERN OF ESCALATING SITUATIONS AND USING EXTREME AND LETHAL FORTH. THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE FOUND THAT YOU CAN'T SHAKE YOUR HEAD AT IT. YOU HAD TO SIGN A CONTRACT TO GET INTO THAT. THEY HAD TO BECAUSE THEY DO IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN. YOU HAVE TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE. >> KEVIN FOLLOWED BY BEN. BEN FOLLOWED BY JASON. JASON FOLLOWED BY JOSE. >> BEN IS IN THE BATHROOM. I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU WANT TO SPEAK FIRST. GOOD EVENING, CITY COUNCIL, I WANT TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE POINTS YOU BRING UP. SPECIFICALLY COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. YOU TALKED A LOT ABOUT HOW WE'RE SHORT ON OFFICERS. RECENTLY WE JUST HAD THE CHIEF TALK ABOUT HOW THIS IS A NATION WIDE PROBLEM. AS NEW MEXICO IS ONE OF THE FOUR PLACES THAT DOESN'T HAVE QUALIFIED IMMUNITY. I'M WONDERING WHERE YOU GET THE DATA THAT PUTTING IT IN PLACE WOULD INCREASE RETENTION AND RECRUITMENT RATES. IT SEEMS LIKE ALL ACROSS THE NATION WHERE QUALIFIED IMTUNITY IS IN PLACE THEY'RE STRUGGLING TO HOLD ON TO COPS. IF YOU CAN CLARIFY THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT'S GOING TO IMPROVE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AT ALL. AS OTHERS HAVE SAID IT HAS A HISTORY OF BEING VIOLENT AND USING LETHAL FORCE. AND FOR THOSE OFFICERS WHO, YOU KNOW, SAY HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS, THERE SHOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT QUALIFIED IMTUNITY. THEY'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THE LAW. I DON'T SEE WHO THIS IS HELPING. IF WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT CRIME IN NEW MEXICO WE SHOULD SOLVE ISSUES OF POVERTY. WE SHOULD GET MORE ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HEALTH CARE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE SHOULD NOT BE STRENGTHEN THE LEGAL RIGHTS OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS. THAT DOES NOTHING FOR RECRUITMENT OR LOWERING IT CRIME. IT DOES NOTHING AT ALL. IT'S A WASTE OF TIME. >> BEN FOLLOWED BY JOSE. >> I JUST WANT TO SECOND THE SENTIMENT THAT IF WE'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT POLICE OFFICERS TO THE FIELD WITH THE PROSPECT THEY WON'T BE ACCOUNTABLE THAT SEEMS LIKE A SELF-DEFEATING POLICY. I WANT TO AGREE WITH THE SENTIMENT IF WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT CRIME, WHICH WE ARE, WE NEED TO ADDRESS POVERTY. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO BE DONE. SERVE YOUR COMMUNITY, DO THE RIGHT THING. >> JOSE FOLLOWED BY ROGER. >> I'M ORGANIZER WITH THE PARTY OF SOCIALISM. I'M URGING THE COUNCIL TO VOTE NO ON THE MEMORIAL WHICH WILL ASK THE STATE TO REINSTATE QUALIFIED IMTUNITY. I WORK IN CONSTRUCTION WHICH IS MORE DANGEROUS THAN POLICING. THERE ARE MANY ACCIDENTS AND SOME OF THEM ARE FATAL. WHEN A FATALITY OCCURS THERE'S A HUGE INVESTIGATION TO FIND OUT WHO IS AT FAULT AND AFTER THERE'S LAWSUITS AND IN CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES PEOPLE ARE SENT TO JAIL. THIS IS THE CASE IN ALL INDUSTRIES AND SHOULD INCLUDE POLICE DEPARTMENTS. REINSTATING QUALIFIED IMMUNITY WILL CREATE A MORAL HAZARD. WITHOUT REPERCUSSIONS FOR THEIR ACTIONS POLICE WILL CONTINUE RACIST POLICE KILLINGS WHICH ARE THINGS THAT NEED TOO BE PUT TO AN END. PEOPLE LEAK TO SAY THAT BEING A COP IS A DANGEROUS JOB, PHYSICALLY IT'S SAFER THAN BEING A PIZZA DELIVERY DRIVER. THE PEOPLE AREN'T JOINING BECAUSE THERE'S NO QUALIFIED IMTUNITY THEN I QUESTION THEIR MOTIVE. THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTION ABOUT HOMELESSNESS WITH, THE SOLUTION IS MORE HOUSING AND NOT PROTECTING KILLER COPS. >> ROGER FOLLOWED BY JENNIFER. >> JENNIFER FOLLOWED BY REBECCA. >> REAL QUICK, THERE'S A FLAW TO THE ARGUMENT OF WE CAN'T HAVE NO -- IT'S BECAUSE ONE HAS POWER. YOU ALL HAVE POWER. SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THOSE ARGUMENTS THINK ABOUT WHO IS HOLDING THE POWER. I AM A PHP ORGANIZER AND I'M ASKING YOU TO VOTE NO. THE DOJ YEAR AFTER YEAR CITED APD'S NON-COMPLIANCE WITH THE REFORM EFFORT AND A CULTURE OF RESISTING THE REFORMS. APD IS NOT REFORMED. HOW CAN YOU TRUST AN APD CULTURE THAT CONTINUES TO TERRORIZE PEOPLE WITH BRUTALITY WITH EXCESSIVE FORCE? CONTINUES RACIST POLICE MURDERS. DOESN'T RELEASE BODY CAM FOOTAGE. DOESN'T ALLOW THEIR OWN MEMBERS TO BE FIRED, PERSECUTED OR JAILED. DO NOT PASS M-22-6. I'M JUST STILL THINKING ABOUT HOW THE POWER TO PUT FORTH A BILL OR LEGISLATIVE DOCUMENT THAT IS NOT THOUGHT THROUGH HAS SUCH A DOMINO EFFECT TO BRING PEOPLE OUT WORKING PEOPLE. THERE'S A LOT OF RED HERRINGS GOING ON. >> REBECCA FOLLOWED BY REBECCA. >> YEAH, THIS MEMORIAL IS OFFENSIVE. EARLIER THIS YEAR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE ANNOUNCED THAT APD HAD ACHIEVED GOALS OF THE COURT ORDER REFORM PROCESS AND WILL BE ALLOWED TO SELF-MONITOR. THIS OUTRAGEOUS ANNOUNCEMENT CAME ONE MONTH AFTER APD OFFICERS WERE INVOLVED IN A SWAT OPERATION THAT BURNED DOWN A FAMILY HOME AND BRUTALLY KILLING A BLACK 15-YEAR-OLD CHILD. WEEKS AFTER THAT ANNOUNCEMENT, OFFICERS WERE INVOLVED IN ANOTHER RACIST MURDER, WHEN THEY FIRED 16 ROUNDS AT 27-YEAR-OLD KEY SHAUN THOMAS A BLACK MAN SLEEPING IN HIS VEHICLE. IT'S CLEAR THAT APD HAS NOT REFORMED ITS BEHAVIOR AND OUR COMMUNITY IS NOT SAFE FROM BEING WEREDERED BY RACIST KILLER COPS. INDIVIDUAL POLICE OFFICERS SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. IF I KILLED SOMEONE I WOULD GET A TRIAL AND FACE CONSEQUENCES AND GO TO JAIL. IF A COP UNJUSTLY KILLS SOMEONE THEY GET A PAID VACATION AND NO CONSEQUENCE. THERE'S NO WAY TO JUSTIFY IT. WE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO SUE A POLICE OFFICER AS AN INDIVIDUAL IF THEY VIOLATE CIVIL RIGHTS. WE NEED JUSTESS FOR VICTIMS OF VICTIMS OF POLICE TERROR AND JAIL KILLER COPS. NOT TRY TO RELEASE -- NOT REINSTATE QUALIFIED IMMUNITY. THANKS. >> REBECCA. >> GOOD EVENING. I THINK I SHARED A COUPLE OF TIMES AGO, THAT WE'RE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS WHO HAVE BEEN IN ALBUQUERQUE FOR 30 YEARS. HOWEVER, OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS SPECIFICALLY SINCE 2017, OUR BUSINESS HAS BEEN BROKEN INTO NINE TIMES. THE NINTH TIME WAS LAST MONDAY. AND WE ARE IN COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN'S DISTRICT. AND I KNOW IT'S KIND OF IRONIC ON A MONDAY MORNING AT 7:30 IN THE MORNING, HIGH TRAFFIC, VERY HIGH TRAFFIC STREET, WE CAN BE BROKEN INTO, AND NOBODY SEIZE IT OR SAYS ANYTHING. AND POLICE OFFICERS AREN'T ABLE TO SHOW UP FOR QUITE A FEW HOURS. EVEN TOLD ON THE PHONE IT WOULD BE NUMEROUS HOURS BEFORE POLICE OFFICERS COULD GET TO US. WHICH THEY DID WHEN THEY GOT THERE THEY SAID THEY WERE OVERWHELMED WITH CRIME IN OUR CITY. BECAUSE WE STILL HAD TO CONDUCT BUSINESS WE HAVEN'T CLEAN UP ALL OF THE CRIME SCENES WHICH MEANS THAT THERE'S NOT THE EVIDENCE WHEN THE COPS GET THERE. MAYBE FINGERPRINTS AREN'T THERE ANYMORE. SO, I WOULD BET MY MEAGER PAYCHECK THAT WHOEVER COMMITTED THE CRIME AT OUR BUSINESS WAS REPEAT OFFENDERS. I THINK THAT -- CRIME IS OUT OF CONTROL. AND I DO SUPPORT THE MEMORIAL BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE SOME OF THE THINGS ARE KEEPING GOOD PEOPLE FROM WANTING TO BECOME COPS IN APD. >> MR. PRESIDENT, THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. >> MAY I CLARIFY THE ANSWER I GAVE TO COUNCILOR PEÑA. IT'S NOT JUST POLICE OFFICERS WHO CAN BE NAMED IN A LAWSUIT. THIS APPLIES TO PUBLIC OFFICIALS. BUT AS A GENERAL MATTER THE PUBLIC BODY INDEMNIFIES THE OFFICERS, SO IT'S THE PUBLIC BODY THAT PAYS THE JUDGMENT. >>COUN. BENTON: WE'RE BACK ON THE MOTION FOR DEFERRAL. THIS WILL BE TO DECEMBER 5th. YOU SAID A MONTH. THE 5th OF DECEMBER. >>COUN. PEÑA: I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE QUALIFIED IMMUNITY. I APPRECIATE YOU ANSWERING THAT QUESTION. THAT WHOLE RULE THAT TALKED ABOUT PUBLIC OFFICIALS, MAYOR, COUNCILORS, POLICE OFFICERS, THE WHOLE NINE YARDS. OKAY. >>COUN. BENTON: COUNCILOR LEWIS. WE'RE FINISHED WITH PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'RE ON THE DEFERRAL. THAT'S THE ORDER OF BUSINESS. THERE'S A MOTION AND SECOND. >>COUN. LEWIS: WE'RE STILL ON DISCUSSION AMONG COUNCILORS? >>COUN. BENTON: NO, WE'RE ON VOTE FOR DEFERRAL. THERE'S NOT DISCUSSION. >>COUN. LEWIS: UNTIL WE DO THAT VOTE ON DEFERRAL THERE'S A DISCUSSION ON THE DEFERRAL, CORRECT? >>COUN. BENTON: YOU CAN DISCUSS THE DEFERRAL. >>COUN. LEWIS: I'D LIKE TO. I APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU. JUST A QUICK QUESTION. I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF THE ADMINISTRATION SUPPORTS THIS MEMORIAL. DO YOU FEEL LIKE IT WILL HELP US OR HURT US WITH THE POLICE OFFICERS AND SUPPORTING OUR OFFICERS AND BEING ABLE TO RECRUIT OFFICERS? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, I RESPONDED THAT THE ADMINISTRATION SUPPORTS THE ACCOUNTABILITY IN THE CURRENT LAW. ALL OF US AS ELECTED OFFICIALS AND PUBLIC OFFICIALS ARE ALL HELD ACCOUNTABLE. I ALSO SAID WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN MOVING FORWARD WITH OUR MCI AGENDA THAT DEALS WITH THE PROSECUTION, SUPPORT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT WITH MORE TOOLS IN THEIR TOOL BAG TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT FIGHTING CRIME IN THE CITY. AND AT THIS POINT THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. >>COUN. LEWIS: YOU DON'T SUPPORT THIS MEMORIAL? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, THIS IS A CITY COUNCIL PROCESS. I JUST SAID WE SUPPORT ACCOUNTABILITY OF ALL PUBLIC OFFICIALS. >>COUN. LEWIS: IF YOU -- YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEFEND IT IF WE PASS IT. YOU CAN SEE WHY I'D BE INTERESTED IF YOU'RE IN SUPPORT OF IT OR NOT. ANYWAY. THANKS, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BENTON: FOR DEFERRAL. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: MR. PRESIDENT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE MEETING TO ACTUALLY MAKE THE VOTE AND HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION IF WE NEED TO. >>COUN. BENTON: THERE'S A MOTION TO EXTEND THE MEETING BY 15 MINUTES? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. BENTON: UNTIL 10:45. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES. WE'RE BACK ON THE VOTE FOR DEFERRAL. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES, THANK YOU. I URGE THE VOTE TODAY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S IMPORTANT IS WE ARE SITTING HERE WITH 110 HOMICIDES. I'M LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC. IT'S OBVIOUS THE ADMINISTRATION DOES NOT STATE WHETHER THEY SUPPORT IT OR DON'T. THEY'RE FLOUNDERING. WHAT I'M SEEING IS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION NEEDS TO SUPPORT THEIR OFFICERS IN ORDER TO GAIN MORE AND IT'S WHAT I'VE SAID ALL ALONG. THE ADMINISTRATION NEEDS TO SUPPORT THEIR OFFICERS AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP THE OFFICERS HAVE THE SUPPORT THEY NEED FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. THE OFFICERS TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT ISSUES. THEY TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS ALL THE TIME. RIGHT NOW, WITH THIS BID THAT I TALKED ABOUT WITH 297 OFFICERS BIDDING, YOU'RE GOING TO BE LUCKY IF YOU HAVE FOUR OFFICERS WORKING YOUR AREA IN THE CITY WHEN THIS BID GOES THROUGH. AND IT'S AT FULL STRENGTH. THAT IS A CATASTROPHIC ISSUE. WE ARE AT CRISIS LEVEL WITHIN THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND OUR CRIME IS OUT OF CONTROL. THAT IS WHERE WE'RE AT. THAT IS THE ITEM WE'RE DEALING WITH. EVERYBODY IN HERE KNOWS, AND EVERYBODY IN HERE HAS BEEN OR SEEN IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE. THE SHOPLIFTING, THE ILLEGAL DRUG USE EVERYWHERE. THE CRIME IS OUT OF CONTROL. AND IF WE CAN ACTUALLY ADD TO HELP THESE OFFICERS AND TO BACK THEM UP, THEN I THINK WE WOULD HAVE A LOT BETTER CITY MOVING FORWARD. IT'S A MAJOR, MAJOR ISSUE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH WITHIN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. AND THE CITIZENS ARE NOTING IT. THE CITIZENS ARE TALKING TO ALL OF US. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US GETS CALLED IN REFERENCE TO CRIMES IN THEIR DISTRICTS AND THEIR AREAS. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. WE'RE DEALING WITH ISSUES IN HIRING OFFICERS AND MAKING SURE THEY HAVE THE SUPPORT THEY NEED. THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO HEAR. WE NEED TO HEAR YOU HAVE THE OFFICERS BACK IN EVERY INSTANCE. THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT THE CITIZENS NEED TO HEAR. THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO HEAR. AND THIS IS A TOOL TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BENTON: WE'RE BACK ON THE -- COMMENTS NEED TO BE ADDRESSED OR LACK THEREOF OF A DEFERRAL. IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION MUST BE ABOUT WHY WE SHOULD NOT BE DEFERRING THIS NOW. COUNCILOR PEÑA EXPRESSED HER REASONS FOR WANTED TO BE DEFERRED. SO, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, LET'S GET TO THE VOTE ON THE DEFERRAL. IF THAT FAILS, WE'LL CONTINUE WITH THE DEBATE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE DEFERRAL RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON -- RAISE THEIR HAND FOR DEFERRAL. FOR THE DEFERRAL, JUST TO CHECK AGAIN. YES. THIS IS FOR THE DEFERRAL. FIVE. THAT PASSES ON A 5-3 VOTE. AND NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.