>> Mayor Muns: I NOW DECLARE THAT THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL PRELIMINARY OPEN MEETING IS RECONVENED INTO OPEN SESSION, THAT ALL COUNCILMEMBERS ARE PRESENT. OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE PRELIMINARY AGENDA IS CONSIDERATION AND ACTION RESULTING FROM THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, PRIMARILY WE HAVE A PERSONNEL REAPPOINTMENT REGARDING THE NORTH TEXAS MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT BOARD. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. COUNCILMEMBER SMITH AND I ARE VERY HAPPY THAT MR. DIRE IS WILLING TO SERVE, CONTINUE IN SERVICE, SO WE WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE REAPPOINT HIM FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. >> THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT ITEM IS THE -- IS DEPARTMENTAL REPORT FOR THE POLICE. POLICE CHIEF ED DRAIN. >> DRAIN: GOOD MORNING -- OR GOOD AFTERNOON, OR EXCUSE ME, GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I WI WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. THIS IS OUR OPERATING BUDGET, ABOUT $88 MILLION. WE AUTHORIZED 417 SWORN POSITIONS WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AS YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL PREVIOUSLY GRANTED US AUTHORIZATION TO GO 11 OFFICERS OVER THAT, SO FOR A TOTAL, WE CAN HIGHER UP TO 428 OFFICERS. THESE ARE THE NUMBER OF CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES WE HAVE, AND THE NUMBER OF VOLUNTEERS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR PROGRAM, AND OUR POLICE ACADEMY ALUMNI ASSOCIATION PROGRAM. WE ARE ALSO A ACCREDITED AGENCY, KALIA IS THE MOST STRINGENT ACCREDITATION BODY FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. THERE ARE ABOUT 18,000 LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES IN THE UNITED STATES. FEWER THAN 1,000 HAVE MET THIS LEVEL OF ACCREDITATION. WE WILL BE UP FOR ACCREDITATION HERE THIS JUNE, I I'M CONFIDENT WE WILL DO JUST FINE. WE HAVE TWO WHAT ARE CALLED ADMINISTRATIVE MANAGERS THAT ARE CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES THAT E LIKE ASSISTANT CHIEFS, BECAUSE WE ARE A 143 CIVIL SERVICE CITY IN PLANO, OUR CIVILIAN PERSONNEL CANNOT SUPERVISE SWORN, SO OUR CIVILIAN MANAGERS HAVE ALL OF THE AREAS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT DON'T HAVE ANY SWORN STAFF. FOR STAFFING, WE USE A FORMULA CALLED THE STANDARD SERVICE INDEX, SSI, AND BASICALLY WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THIS FORMULA IS WE WANT OUR OFFICERS TO BE ON CALLS FOR SERVICE, 40% OF THE TIME, AND THEN THAT'S CALLED COMMITTED TIME, AND WE WANT THEIR UNCOMMITTED TIME TO BE 60%, THAT MEANS THAT THEY'RE -- THAT'S NOT TIME THAT THEY'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING, THAT'S THE TIME THEY DO TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT, COMMUNITY POLICING, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, PROACTIVE ENFORCEMENT DURING THAT 60% OF UNCOMMITTED TIME, SO WE'RE DOING FINE ON THAT. SO FROM THIS STANDPOINT, WE WILL NOT BE ASKING OR REQUESTING ANY ADDITIONAL OFFICERS FOR FIRST RESPONDERS BASED ON SSI. KEEP IN MIND SSI IS ONLY FOR FIRST RESPONDERS, IT IS NOT FOR IGHBORHOOD POLICE OFFICERS, IT'S NOT FOR DETECTIVES, FOR TRAINING POSITIONS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, JUST BEAT OFFICERS. WE DON'T USE A STANDARD OF SO MANY OFFICERS PER 1,000 RESIDENTS, SO THIS IS UP HERE JUST FOR COMPARISONS TODAY, HOW WE ARE DOING COMPARED TO SOME OF OUR SUBURBAN NEIGHBORS AND SOME OF OUR LARGER CITIES, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE SOME OF THE BIGGER CITIES DO REQUIRE MORE OFFICERS PER 1,000 RESIDENTS THAN SOME OF THE SUBURBAN CITIES. WE'RE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS COMPARISON. SO TO TALK MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT STAFFING, AS I SAID, WE AUTHORIZED 417 POLICE OFFICER POSITIONS, AS OF TODAY, WE'RE STAFFED AT 414. THIS MORNING WE HIRED FOUR OFFICERS WHO ARE ALREADY TEXAS CERTIFIED OFFICERS, SOO WE DON'T -- WE DIDN'T HAVE TO HIRE THEM IN CONJUNCTION WITH AN ACADEMY CLASS. THOSE OFFICERS ARE FROM HERE IN NORTH TEXAS AND WILL DO FINE, SO THEY WILL HAVE A SHORTER TRAINING CYCLE. INSTEAD OF ABOUT 50 WEEKS OF TRAINING, THEIRS WILL BE MORE ABOUT 20 WEEKS OF AINI. SO WE HAVE FOUR ALICANTS OUT WITH JOB OFFERS, AND OUR NEXT ACADEMY WILL START ON MAY 22ND, SO WE HAVE ABOUT TEN PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL REMAINING ON THE LIST, SO I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT WE WILL HAVE ANYWHERE FROM 6 TO 10 OFFICERS POTENTIALLY STARTING THE AND MY ON MAY 22ND, SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS RIGHT NOW, TODAY, WE ARE LESS THAN 1% DOWN. WE MAY BE OVER THAT 417 MARK WHEN WE START OUR NEXT ACADEMY, SO FROM A HIRING AND STAFFING STANDPOINT, WE'RE DOING FINE, WE'RE DOING EXCELLENT QUITE FRANKLY COMPARED TO OTHER AGENCIES OUR SIZE ACROSS THE STATE AND ACROSS THE NATION. THIS IS OUR MISSION STATEMENT. AND THEN TO DETERMINE HOW WE ARE DOING WITH OUR MISSION STATEMENT, WE LOOK AT FOUR PERFORMANCE MEASURES. THESE DON'T CHANGE, YOU KNOW, I HELP CHIEF COME UP WITH THESE WHEN I WAS HERE BEFORE, SO I HAVEN'T CHANGED THEM, NOW THAT I'VE BECOME CHIEF, THAT'S OUR CRIME RATE. OUR TRAFFIC SAFETY, QUALITY OF SERVICE, FOR CRIME RATE, WHAT WE LOOK AT ARE EIGHT OFFENSES, UNIFORM CRIME REPORT, THERE ARE FOUR VIOLENT CRIMES AND FOUR PROPERTY CRIMES, AND WE TRACK THOSE ON OUR CRIME RATE. FOR TRAFFIC SAFETY, WHAT WE LOOK AT IS ALL ACCIDENTS THAT ARE REPORTED TO US, WE LOOK AT INJURY ACCIDENTS AND OF COURSE WE LOOK AT FATALITIES, FOR TIMELY SERVICE, IT'S BROADER THAN OUR RESPONSE TIMES, BUT HA IS THE QUANTITATIVE THING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT, WE CAN GET THAT OFF OUR COMPUTER AIDED DISPATCH SYSTEM, WE PRIMARILY TRACK TIMELY SERVICE BY OUR RESPONSE TIME, AND QUALITY OF SERVICE WET I WILL TALK ABOUT. SO THESE ARE THE OFFENSES THAT WE LOOK AT FOR VIOLENT CRIME, SO TYPICALLY, OR THE OFFENSES WE LOOK AT FOR OUR CRIME RATE, SO TYPICALLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT READING A PUBLICATION, ONE OF THE ONLINE FORUMS THAT TALKS ABOUT COMPARING CITY A, TO CITY B, OR THE SAFEST CITIES, THEY'RE GOING TO BE USING THESE EIGHT OFFENSES, IF THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT VIOLENT CRIME, THEY'RE GOING TO BE USING JUST THOSE FOUR VIOLENT OFFENSE SO IN 2022, FOR LAST YEAR, OUR CRIME RATE ACTUALLY DID GO UP A BIT, AN EVEN THOUGH OUR VIOLENT CRIME WENT DOWN, WHICH ACROSS THE NATION MOST VIOLENT CRIME WAS GOING UP, BUT WE SEE THAT OURS WENT DOWN, AND PROPERTY CRIME, THOUGH, WENT UP QUITE A BIT, AND WHAT WENT ON WITH PROPERTY CRIME, WE'RE SEEING THAT NOT JUST ACROSS NORTH TEXAS, THE STATE, BUT ACROSS THE NATION, IT'S CATALYTIC CONVERTERS, PEOPLE ARE STEALING THOSE LEFT AND RIGHT, NOT AN EASY ANSWER FOR US TO TELL FOLKS ON THAT. FOR RELAR BURGLARY OF A MOTOR VEHICLE, WE CAN ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO LOCK THEIR CARS, HIDE THEIR PROPERTY, TAKE IT WITH THEM, WE CAN SEE THOSE GO DOWN. YOU CAN'T TAKE YOUR CATALYTIC CONVERTER INTO THE RESTAURANT WHEN YOU GO IN TO EAT. WHAT IS DRIVING THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER THEFT IS THE MEDALS. THERE'S THREE MEDALS IN THERE. PLATINUM, QUITE FRANKLY S. THE LEAST EXPENSIVE OF THOSE THREE, IT'S ABOUT $1,000 AN OUNCE. PALLADIUM -- AND THEY HAVE SPOT PRICES THAT CHANGE EVERY DAY OF COURSE, BUT ABOUT $D RODIUM IS OVER $10,000 FOR ONE OUNCE OF IT, SO THAT IS WHAT IS DRIVING THE THEFT OF THE CATALYTIC CONVERTERS, AGAIN, WE'RE SEEING THIS ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. CRIME RATE, HERE IS A TEN YEAR KIND OF A TREND LINE OF WHERE WE STAND, WE'RE ABOUT 20.29 OFFENSES BY 1,000. LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE HAD BEEN BELOW 20 OFFENSES PER 1,000, CRIME RATE DID GO UP LAST YEAR, BUT FOR A CITY OF ALMOST 300,000 TO HAVE AROUND 20 OFFENSES PER 1,000 IS EXCEPTIONALLY GOOD CRIME RATE FOR OUR CITY. IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND ANOTHER CITY OUR SIZE ACROSS THE NATION THAT HAS A SIMILAR CRIME RATE AS OURS. AND THIS IS JUST VIOLENT CRIME, 1.58 PER 1,000 RESIDENTS, AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN HIGHER, IT'S BEEN LOWER, BUT IT IS A DECREASE FROM LAST YEAR. PROPERTY CRIME SAME, IT'S BEEN UP, IT'S BEEN DOWN, BUT IT IS UP QUITE A BIT FROM LAST YR, THAT IS MORE RELATED TO THE CATALYTIC CONVERTER THEFTS. SO HERE IS TRAFFIC SAFETY NUMBERS. WE ALSO SAW SOME INCREASES IN OUR NUMBER OF TRAFFIC CRASHES THAT WE HAD. OUR FATALITIES WERE UP QUITE A BIT LAST YEAR. INJURY CRASHES WERE UP. JUST, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE HAVE COME OUT OF THE PANDEMIC, PEOPLE ARE JUST DRIVING FASTER. THERE'S A LOT MORE TRAFFIC OUT. DURING THE PANDEMIC, 2020 IN PARTICULAR, WE HAD SOME OF THE LOWEST TRAFFIC VOLUME OVERALL WERE DOWN, BUT WES HAD SOME OF THE HIGHEST FATALITY RATES, I THINK WE WERE UP TO 17 FATALITIES THAT YEAR, VERY, VERY HIGH, ONE OF THE HIGHEST IN THE LAST TEN YEARS, AND PEOPLE STILL JUST HAVEN'T SLOWED DOWN SINCE THEN, SO THAT'S WHAT IS DRIVING THAT. AND AGAIN, TEN YEAR COMPARISON FOR TRAFFIC SAFETY, AND AGAIN, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME YEARS WHERE IT'S BEEN EVEN HIGHER THAN IT IS NOW AS YOU CAN SEE. HERE IS A TRAFFIC HOTSPOT, SO THAT HOT AREA AS YOU CAN PROBABLY DISCERN IS US75, WHAT IS UNIQUE ABOUT THIS IS US75 IS CONSISTENTLY THE PLACE WHERE WE HAVE THE MOST TRAFFIC CRASHES EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE MORE TRAFFIC VOLUME OVER ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN. AND, YOU KNOW, AS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF US HAVE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, SOME OF THAT -- THAT -- THOSE TRAFFIC CRASHES ALONG US75, AND CENTRAL EXPRESSWAY IS RELATED TO HOW THE ROADWAYS IN SOME AREAS ARE GETTING UP ON THE RAMPS, OTHER PEOPLE ARE COMING OFF, AND THAT CONTRIBUTES TO SOME OF THOSE ACCIDENTS. TIMELY SERVICE, SO OUR RESPONSE TIME GOALS ARE FIVE MINUTES, FIVE MINUTES OR LESS FOR PRIORITY ONE CALLS, EMERGENCY CALLS, 8 MINUTES OR LESS FOR ALL OTHER CALLS FOR SERVICE, AND THIS IS OUR PRIORITY ONE RESPONSE TIME, AND WE HAVE CONSISTENTLY -- IN FACT OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS, WE'VE NEVER NOT MET OUR RESPONSE TIME GOALS. IN THE AGGREGATE WE HAVEN'T. WE HAD HAD SOME PROBLEMS IN THE PAST OUT IN WEST PLANO. I THINK WE CORRECTED THAT. I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER ON WHEN WE LOOK AT A SECTOR BY SECTOR BREAK DOWN, BUT THAT SEEMS TO HAVE ALLEVIATED ITSELF WITH SOME CHANGES THAT WE NEED TO OUR BEAT STRUCTURE LAST YEAR. AND THEN THIS IS FOR ALL OTHER PRIORITIES AGAIN EIGHT MINUTES OR LESS IS OUR GOAL, AND AS YOU CAN SEE FOR 2022, AND FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS, WE HAVE MET THAT GOAL. THOSE ARE SOME PRETTY AGGRESSIVE RESPONSE TIMES WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE TRAFFIC VOLUME THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CITY, AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE PASSING THROUGH, BUT AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GOOD JOB OF GETTING TO THOSE CALLS QUALITY OF SERVICE, WE RECENTLY CHANGED HOW WE WERE DOING OUR SURVEYS, WE WERE SENDING IT OUT SNAIL MAIL, WE'RE USING SURVEY MONKEY LIKE THE REST OF THE WORLD. WE SAW OUR RETURNS GO UP ABOUT FOUR TIMES WHAT WE NORMALLY GET. AND FOR THE FIRST TIME, OUR RATINGS WERE NOT AT 90% ratings were not at 90% , ABOUT 86% BASED ON THAT, AND BUT YOU WOULD EXPECT IT TO GO DOWN SOME WHEN YOU BROADEN THE NUMBER OF RESPONSES THAT YOU GET BACK, NOT REALLY A BIG DEAL, BUT -- BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THOUGH, WE CONTINUE T GET As AND Bs ON THE SURVEYS WE SENT OUT, WHICH YOU WOULD EXPECT, BECAUSE WE'RE DOING THEM, BUT ETC DOES THE SURVEYS FOR THE CITY, AND WE CONSISTENTLY SEE THAT WHEN THE BUSINESSES -- THEY SWITCH EVERY YEAR, SO ONE YEAR THEY WILL DO RESIDENTS, THE NEXT YEAR THEY WILL DO BUSINESSES. WHEN THEY DO RESIDENTS, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ALWAYS COMES OUT ON TOP AT ABOUT 96%, WE ARE AT SECOND PLACE AT AROUND 90, 92%, WHEN THEY DO THE RESIDENTS, WHEN THEY DO THE BUSINESSES, WE TYPICALLY COME OUT ON TOP, ABOUT 95%, AND THEN THE FIRE IS IN THE LOWER IN THE 90s, I TELL YOU WHAT MAKES ME PROUD AS A RESIDENT AND AS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY IS THE FACT WHEN YOU COMPARE OUR CITY TO THE OTHER CUSTOMERS OF ETC, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY DO THEIR BIG FANCY BROCHURE, PLANO CLEARLY COMES OUT HEADS AND TAILS ABOVE ALL OF THEIR OTHER CUSTOMERS ACROSS THE BOARD, AND I THINK THAT IS REALLY IMPRESSIVE AS A CITY. SO JUST A QUICK -- SOME SUMMARIES, CRIME RATE, AGAIN, WE DID HAVE SOME INCREASES IN PROPERTY CRIME, TRAFFIC SAFETY, CRASHES AND INJURIES WERE UP, TIMELY SERVICE, NO ISSUES THERET ALL,UALITY OF SERVICE WE'RE STILL DOING GOOD IN THAT AREA. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT SCHOOL SAFETY, BECAUSE THAT WAS SUCH A BIG DEAL WITH UVALDE, THE UVALDE SITUATION LAST YEAR. SO FOR OUR SCHOOL PROGRAM, WE HAVE TWO SERGEANTS, WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 26 SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS, FOR PISD, WE HAVE A SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICER IN THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, AND THE -- PARDON ME, IN THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, AND HIGH SCHOOL, AND THEN WE HAVE TWO IN EACH OF THE SENIOR HIGH SCHOOLS. WE HAVE FIV FRISCO SCHOOLS IN OUR CITY, SO WE HAVE AN OFFICER AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, THEY HAVE FOUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IN OUR CITY, SO AFTER UVALDE, FRISCO ASKED FOR AN OFFICER, ONE OFFICER TO PATROL THE FOUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS IN OUR CITY. THEY ASKED RELATIVELY LATE, THE CITY MANAGER HAD ALREADY BRIEFED THE COUNCIL ON THE BUDGET, AND SO I EXPLAINED THAT TO THEM, AND THEY SAID THEY WOULD COVER THE COST, THEY SAID COULD WE ADD AN OFFICER IF THEY WOULD AGREE TO COVER ALL OF THE COSTS FOR THIS CURRENT SCHOOL YEAR, WHICH I TOLD THEM, YEAH, I THINK I WILL GO TK TO T T THAT, AND YOU ALL AGREED TO DO THAT. SO -- BUT, NEXT YEAR, THOUGH, WE WILL HAVE TO PICK UP THAT COST, 50-50 SPLIT, THE SAME SPLIT THAT WE HAVE WITH PISD. SO 24 SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS PISD, AND THEN TWO FOR FRISCO. NOW, AFTER UVALDE THERE WAS A CALL TO PUT AN OFFICER IN EVERY SCHOOL INCLUDING THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, EARLY LEARNING CENTERS, AND THE CITY MANAGER AND I AND DEPUTY CITY MANAGER RIFE AND I MET WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT, AND WE AGREED THAT WE DIDN'T THINK THAT WE NEEDED TO DO THAT. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PROBABLY AN ADDITIONAL 38 OFFICERS IF WE HAD ONE IN EACH SCHOOL, BUT WHAT WE DID AGREE TO DO, THOUGH, WAS ALL OF OUR SCHOOLS ARE IN A BEAT, AND SOME ARE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD POLICE OFFICERS WORK. SO WHAT WE HAVE TASKED THOSE OFFICERS TO DO IS MAKE TWO CHECKS AT THEIR SCHOOLS THAT ARE IN THEIR AREA TWICE A DAY DURING SCHOOL DAYS, SO THEY DO ONE EXTERIOR CHECK, AND THEN ONE CHECK WHERE THEY GO INSIDE, TALK TO THE STAFF, MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS OKAY, AND WE HAVE FOUND SOME UNLOCKED DOORS ON THE EXTERIOR CHECKS, AND SO THAT SEEMS TO BE WORKING AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. THE OFFICERS ARE REQUIRED TO MARK OUT AS IF IT'S A CALL FOR SERVICE, SO WE HAVE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S HAPPENING, AND WE THINK THAT THAT IS GOING TO WORK, AND THEN THERE IS NO NEED FOR THE OFFICERS AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. NOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON AROUND THE COUNTRY HAVE BEEN HAPPENING AT ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, HERE AT PLANO, OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS ARE LOCKED DOWN VERY, VERY VERY TIGHT AS COMPARED TO THE IT'S LIKE A COLLEGE CAMPUS, THERE'S JUST NO WAY THAT YOU COULD DO THAT. SO WE THINK THAT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, A GOOD COMPROMISE ON HOW WE'RE DOING IT WITH PISD, FRISCO HAS ONE OFFICE THAT IS PATROLLING THE FOUR SCHOOLS. THIS IS THE TRAINING THAT OUR SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS GET. WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS, THERE'S A BASIC COURSE THEY GO TO FOR 40 HOURS, LATER ON THEY GO TO THE ADVANCED COURSE, ANOTHER 40 HOURS, IN TEXAS ALSO HAS A SPECIFIC COURSE FOR SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS. THIS THREAT BEHAVIORAL ASSESSMENT TRAINING, THOSE ARE FOR KIDS WHO PRESENT SOME KIND OF A THREAT. THEY'RE PUT OUT OF SCHOOL, AND THEN THERE'S KIND OF A MEETING WHERE THEY DISCUSS THAT AND HAVE YOU TO BE TRAINED IN THAT, ALL OF OUR SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS ARE TRAINED IN THAT, THE VARIOUS SCHOOL DISTRICTS. ALL OF THE OFFICERS GET ACTIVE SHOOTER TRAINING AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR, OUR RESOURINGS OFFICER GETS IT TWO TIMES A YEAR, THEY'RE TRAINED IN CRISIS INTERVENTION TEAM TRAINING WHICH IS 40 HOURS OF MENTAL HEALTH TRAINING AND TO WORK AS AN SRO IN OUR SCHOOL, YOU HAVE TO BE QUALIFIED ON A PATROL RIFLE. AND THEY ALL HAVE PATROL RIFLES AT THE SCHOOLS. ACCESS ALSO CAME UP AS A -- AS A FACTOR IN UVALDE, GETTING IN -- ALTHOUGH WE KNOW THE DOOR WAS ACTUALLY UNLUNLOCKED, BUT WHAT WE HAVE FOR PISD, EVERYONE, CHIEF ON DOWN HAS A PROXIMITY CARD THAT WE CAN USE TO AT LEAST GET INTO THE INITIAL DOORS AT THE SCHOOL, IF SOMEONE LEAVES RETIRES RESIGNS DOESN'T COME BACK, WE NOTIFY PISD, THEY SCRATCH THEIR NAME OFF THE LIST AND DEACTIVATE THEIR CARD. FRISCO ISD USES A DIFFERENT SYSTEM, THEY USE MASTER KEYS, SO EACH -- EACH OF OUR TWO FRISCO OFFICERS HAVE A MASTER KEY. OUR TWO SRO SERGEANTS HAVE A MASTER KEY, AND THEN IN OUR SUB STATIONS ON INDEPENDENCE, AND AT ROBINSON AND McDERMOTT, AND OUR KEY VENDING MACHINE WHERE WE KEEP OUR KEYS FOR THE VEHICLES, WE HAVE A MASTER KEY FOR THE FRISCO SCHOOLS IN THERE AS WELL. AND OF COURSE WITH THAT VENDING MACHINE, WE C TRACK IF SOMEONE GETS THE KEY OUT OR MOVES IT OR WHATEVER, WE'LL BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT WHO DID THAT. AND THEN IF THOSE MASTER KEYS DON'T WORK, WE HAVE THESE MASTER KEYS TO GET IN, SO THIS JERSEY C CLAW BREACHING TOOL LOOKS SIMPLE, BUT IT'S A VERY EFFECTIVE TOOL. WE HAD KITS IN THE SERGEANT'S CAR, THERE WERE ABOUT THREE OR FOUR DIFFERENT ITEMS IN THERE, HARD TO KEEP TRACK OF, VERY DIFFICULT TO USE, THIS TOOL IS SO SIMPLE, IT'S AMAZING, SO THIS IS IN EVERY PATROL VEHICLE, THIS JERSEY CLAW BREACHING TOOL, AND IN OUR ARMORED VEHICLE WE HAVE A KINETIC BREACHING TOOL, POWERED BY A 44 LONG COLT BLANK, PRETTY SURE IT WILL OPEN ANY DOOR IN THE CITY. ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD POLICE OFFICER PROGRAM, SO IN THAT PROGRAM, WE HAVE THREE SERGEANTS AND 27 OFFICERS. WE HAVE TEN OFFICERS TO COVER BOTH THE SHOPS OF LEGACY AND LEGACY WEST. WE HAVE 8 OFFICERS THAT ARE IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS PRIMARILY HERE IN EAST PLANO, WE HAVE TWO OR THREE ON THE WEST SIDE O US 75 IN SOME NEIGHBORHOODS OVER THERE. WE HAVE TWO OFFICERS FOR DOWNTOWN. WE HAVE ONE OFFICER FOR THE DAY LABOR CENTER IN DART. AND WE HAVE IN OUR MENTAL HEALTH AND HOMELESS PROGRAM, WE HAVE FOUR OFFICERS AND WE HAVE A CIVILIAN LICENSED CLINICAL SOCIAL WORKER WHO ALSO IS ASSIGNED TO THAT UNIT. AND THEN WE HAVE TWO WHAT WE CALL POP OFFICERS. THEY HANDLE LONG-TERM SPECIAL PROJECTS LIKE THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ISSUES, PROBLEM BARS, NEIGHBORHOOD -- NEIGHBOR DISPUTES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. RELATIVELY SMALL UNIT, BUT THEY PUNCH WELL ABOVE THEIR WEIGHT. AND THEN THIS IS A MAP OF OUR WHERE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICERS ARE ASSIGNED, AND AREAS OF RESPONSIBILITIES. SO WANT TO TALK ABOUT JUST REAL QUICKLY A REORGANIZATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO HERE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, HERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE, SO WE PRIMARILY HAVE 12 HOUR SHIFTS, MOST OF THE GUYS COME IN OVER FOUR TIME PERIODS, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY COME IN AT 6:30 IN THE MORNING, THEY'RE GOING TO LEAVE AT 60 P.M. IN THE EVENING, AND ACROSS THE FOUR SECTORS, BUT AT 4:00, THOUGH, WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED SECOND WATCH, THE PURPOSE OF SECOND WATCH IS TO PROVIDE RELIEF SO THAT WHEN THESE -- THE REGULAR GUYS ARE IN BRIEFING, THEN THEY GO DOWN -- THEY GO COVER THEIR SECTORS, COVER THEIR AREAS, HANDLE THEIR CALLS FOR SERVICE WHEN THOSE GUYS LEAVE. AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY WORK FROM 4:00 TO 2 IN THE MORNING, THAT IS TEN HOURS, WHICH MEANS THEY HAVE STAGGERED DAYS OFF, WE HAVE TWO SQUADS, THE MAIN POLICE DEPARTMENT HERE NEAR DOWNTOWN, AND THE OTHER ONE BRIET PLANO, AND BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE BEAT RESPONSIBILITIES, THEY ARE GOING TO BE THE LAST UNITS, THE LOWEST PRIORITY FOR FILL AS WE'RE FILLING POSITIONS, AND CHIEF RUSSIAN PUT THIS UNIT AS AN OPTION INITIALLY WHEN WE WENT TO 12 HOUR SHIFTS, THAT WAS VERY CONTROVERSIAL IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THAT WAS A BIG DEAL. IT ISN'T ANYMORE. THAT WAS OVER TEN YEARS AGO. GUYS LIKE IT, THEY'RE DOING IT, BUT HE WANTED TO PROVIDE DI'T TNK THEY COULD WORKJUST 12 HOUR SHIFTS, SO THAT IS 20 POSITIONS, 10 OFFICERS, POSITIONS IN EACH SIDE OF TOWN. SO WE'RE GOING TO DISBAN THAT SHIFT. WHEN THE OFFICERS DO THEIR REGULAR BID COMING UP THIS SUMMER, AND SO I MENTIONED -- I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT WE HAD -- WE HAD SOME RESPONSE TIME ISSUES OUT IN WEST PLANO, SO WE'VE GOT TWO RADIO CHANNELS THAT WE USE, COMMAND AREA ONE, COMMAND AREA TWO, THE DIVIDING LINE IS CUSTER ROAD, THAT DIVIDES THE TWO COMMAND ARE. AS YOU CAN SEE, FROM A GEOGRAPHICAL STANDPOINT, COMMAND AREA 2 IS A MUCH LARGER AREA. THERE IS ALSO A LOT MORE TRAFFIC VOLUME OUT IN COMMAND AREA 2, WHICH IS WHY WE WERE HAVING SOME PROBLEMS WITH THE RESPONSE TIMES. SO WHAT WE DID WAS DESECTOR, THE BOUNDARY, THEIR EAST DBOUNDARY WENT OVER TO COURT ROAD, WE MOVED THAT BOUNDARY OVER TO OHIO LAST JANUARY, AND WE EXPANDED THE SIZE OF C SECTOR. C SECTOR WAS A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL BEFORE THAT. NOW OF COURSE TY PICKED UP SOME OF THE BUSINESS ALONG COURT ROAD, AND THEN WE REDUCED THE SIZE OF D SECTOR. WE COULDN'T CONTINUE TO ADD MORE OFFICERS TO D SECTOR, BECAUSE IT WOULD BE BEYOND THE SPAN OF CONTROL FOR A SERGEANT. WE HAD ALREADY DONE THAT JUST BEFORE I LEFT PREVIOUSLY, SO WE REALLY COULDN'T ADD ANY MORE OFFICERS, WE REALLY NEEDED TO SHRINK THE SIZE OF D SECTOR, SO WE DID THAT. NOW, HOW WE DETERMINE OUR MINIMUM STAFFING IS BASED OFF THE NUMBER OF WALL BEATS WE HAVE. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 25 BEATS. SO AND SINCE WE ADDED THE TWO BEATS TO C SECTOR, WE NOW HAVE FOURTEEN OFFICERS MINIMUM WORKING CHANNEL ONE, AND 11 OFFICERS MINIMUM -- WORKING ON CHANNEL TWO, AND 11 MINIMUM OFFICERS WORKING ON CHANNEL ONE. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CALLS FOR SERVICE, THEY'RE ALMOST EXACTLY 50-50. CHANNEL 2 HAS ABOUT 50.5, CHANNEL 2 ABOUT 49.5, PRETTY CLOSE TO THAT, AND WE'VE ALSO GOT SOME REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS COMING ALONG HERE ON CHANNEL ONE THAT YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OF, OF COURSE, COLLIN CREEK MALL, SPRING CREEK AVENUE K, I THINK EEVENTUALLY THELE VON FORMS AREA IS GOING TO BE REDEVELOPED. SO WE NEED MORE PERMANENT OFFICERS ON CHANNEL 2, RIGHT? I'M SORRY, ON CHANNEL 1. SO WE'RE GOING TO CREATE AN ADDITIONAL BEAT IN B SECTOR AND AN ADDITIONAL BEAT IN A SECTOR, THAT IS GOING TO TAKE 12 POLICE OFFICERS TO DO THAT, TO HAVE AN OFFICER THERE 24-7. 12 OF THEM ARE GOING TO GO TO NEW BEATS ON CHANNEL ONE, COMMAND AREA ONE, AND AS A RESULT, INSTEAD OF OUR MINIMUM STAFFING F BEAT OFFICERS BEING 25 AROUND THE CLOCK, IT WILL BE 27 AND THE CLOCK, AND -- AND SO NOW THAT LEAVES 8 OFFICERS LEFT OVER, BECAUSE I PROMISED THE GUYS ALL 20 OF THOSE POSITIONS ARE GOING TO GO BACK INTO PATROL, SO THE OTHER 8 POSITIONS, WE HAVE 8 SQUADS THAT WORK THE LATE SHIFT, EACH ONE OF THEM WILL GET AN ADDITIONAL OFFICER, WHICH WE'VE NEVER DONE BEFORE. TYPICALLY, THOSE TWO MIRROR EACH OTHER, HOWEVER, DURING THE DAY SHIFT, THOUGH, THOSE GUYS HAVE HELP POTENTILY, BECAUSE THEY HAVE MPOs OUT THERE, WE HAVE TRAFFIC OFFICERS OUT THERE, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT CAN HELP THE GUYS ON DAY SHIFT. AT A CERTAIN POINT IN THE EVENING, ALL THOSE ARE GONE. WHATEVER MINIMUM STAFFING IS, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE, AND AMAZING WE MAY GET A S.W.A.T. CAR OUT OR A FIVE CAR CRASH UP ON US 75, WE'RE GOING TO USE THOSE 8 OFFICERS TO BUFF UP THE GUYS THAT WORK OVERNIGHT. BUT NOW I HAVE TWO SERGEANTS, THOUGH, THAT I CAN USE TOO. SO IIDN' PROMISE THEM THE TWO SERGEANTS WITHER STAY IN PATROL, BECAUSE I'M GOING TO NEED ONE OF THEM ON THE INVESTIGATIVE SIDE OF HOUSE, I HAVE A CRIMES AGAINST PERSONS UNIT, THOSE ARE THE GUYS THAT HANDLE THE MAJOR CASES, THE SEXUAL ASSAULTS, THE AGGRAVATED ASSAULT, THE HOMICIDE, THE BIG STUFF. THAT SERGEANT HAS FOURTEEN DETECTIVES AND ONE CIVILIAN POSITION. THREE OF HIS DETECTIVES, THOUGH, FOCUS ON SEX CRIMES WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE NOT IN THE SAME FAMILY. I ALSO HAVE A FAMILY VIOLENCE UNIT AND THAT SERGEANT HAS NINE DETECTIVES AND A CIVILIAN, AND SHE ALSO HAS THREE DETECTIVES WHO FOCUSES ON SEX CRIMES WITHIN THE FAMILY. SO THAT MODEL THAT WE'RE USING IS NOT THE BEST MODEL IN MY VIEW, SO WE'RE GOING TO CREATE WHAT'S CALLED A SPECIAL VICTIMS UNIT, BY TAKING THE THREE SERGEANTS -- THREE DETECTIVES FROM CRIMES AGAINST PERSONS AND THREE FROM THE FAMILY VIOLENCE UNIT, SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW DETECTIVE JEFF RICH, HE'S ASSIGNED TO THE F.B.I., HE WORKS OUT OF OUR BUILDING, HE DOES THE INTERNET CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN, AND WE'RE GOING TO PUT JEFF IN THAT UNIT AS WELL, A AND SO I'M GOING TO USE ONE OF THE SERGEANTS I'M TAKING FROM SECOND WATCH TO FIELD THAT POSITION, MAY NOT BE THAT PARTICULAR SERGEANT, BUT THAT POSITION WILL BE USED FOR THAT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPACE OVER IN OUR MAIN BUILDING FOR THAT, BUT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED TO THE CHILDREN'S ADVOCACY CENTER, THEY'VE GOT SPACE, SO WE'LL LEASE SPACE FROM THEM AND JUST PUT THOSE GUYS OUT THERE, AND THAT WILL TAKE UP ONE OF THE SERGEANT POSITIONS. I ALSO NEED TO DO THIS AS WELL, BECAUSE I SAID MY CRIMES AGAINST PERSONS UNIT HANDLING THE MOST COMPLEX CASES IN THE POLICE DEARTMENT, THEIR SERGEANT HAS THE GREATEST NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES AS A FIRST LINE SUPERVISOR WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, BY FAR THAT IS WAY TOO MANY DETECTIVES THEY NEED TO MANAGE, I NEED TO GET THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES REPORTING TO THAT FIRST LINE SUPERVISOR DOWN AND THAT IS ONE WAY WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT. SO HERE IS SOME OF OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS. MOST -- SOME OF THESE YOU HAVE PROBABLY SEEN BEFORE, THE ONE THAT IS NEW, THE BOTTOM ONE, MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCE PROGRAM, WHAT WE DID HERE, WE DID TWO OF THESE SESSIONS LAST YEAR, THEY WERE A PHENOMENAL HIT. JUST IN TALKING TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH, JUST PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, PEOPLE IN CHURCHES, IN BUSINESSES HAVE CONTACTED US WITH EMPLOYEES, FAMILY MEMBERS, WHAT DO I DO, YOU KNOW, GOT TO -- ONE IN FIVE PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES HAVE SOME SORT OF A MENTAL ILLNESS, SO IT AFFECTS A LOT OF FAMILIES, SO WHAT WE DO, WE TAKE ABOUT SIX, SEVEN HOURS, THEN WE HAVE OF COURSE OUR EMPLOYEES TALK TO THEM, WE BRING IN THE MENTAL HEALTH JUDGE, WE BRING IN OUR LIFE PAP SYSTEM, OUR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AUTHORITY HERE IN COLLIN COUNTY. WE BRING IN THERE'S AN ATTORNEY WHO WORKS FOR COLLIN COUNTY, SHE'S NOT B IS TO TRY TO GET PEOPLE OFF ON THEIR OWN RECOGNIZANCE, WE BRING HER IN TO TRAUBB HER PROGRAM, AND FOLKS JUST ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT, BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHERE TO GO WHEN THEY'VE GOT DIFFERENT ISSUES GOING ON. SO THAT'S THE NEWEST COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP WE'VE ADDED. SOME ADDITIONAL ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. URBAN GROWTH, OF COURSE, HOMELESSNESS, MENTAL HEALTH CONSUMERS, FENTANYL IS PROBABLY A NEW ONE ON HERE. IN 2021 WE HAD 12 PEOPLE WHO OVERDOSED ON SOME TY OF ILLEGAL DRUG AND DIED. IN 2022 THAT NUMBER WAS UP TO 25, MORE THAN DOUBLE OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR, SO THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THIS IS A CRISIS AND WE ARE WORKING ON THIS, ALL OF OUR OFFICERS HAVE NARCAN ON THEM, WE ARE PART OF A NATIONAL OVERDOSE MAPPING PROGRAM WHERE WE PUT OUR OVERDOSES IN, AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF SEE WHEN DIFFERENT THINGS ARE HAPPENING, WHEN DRUGS ARE CHANGING. WE HAVE OFFICERS ASSIGNED TO THE F.B.I. SPECIFICALLY TO A DRUG SQUAD, TO THE D.E.A. SPECIFICALLY TO HANDLE OPIOIDS, SO WE'RE WORKING WITH THE FEDS ON THAT AS WELL. BUT FENTANYL IS CERTAINLY AN ISSUE THAT'S AFFECTING OUR COMMUNITY. AND THAT IS ALL THAT I HAVE. WHAT QUESTIONS CAN I ANSWER FOR YOU? >> Mayor Muns: MAYOR PRO TEM. >> YES, MA'AM. >> Prince: I KNOW WE SAW AN INCREASE IN THE YOUTH VIOLENCE RATE. ARE WE STILL SEEING THAT? HAS THAT IMPROVED? OR WHAT ARE YOU SEEING? >> I'M SORRY, ON WHAT? >> Prince: IN CRIMES BY YOUTH IN OUR COMMUNITY. ARE YOU STILL SEEING THAT? HAS THAT SUBSIDED SOME SINCE THE PANDEMIC? OR ARE WE STILL SEEING A LOT OF CRIMES BY YOUTH IN OUR COMMUNITY? >> YOU KNOW, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHECK. I DON'T RECALL US HAVING A BIG UPTICK IN YOUTH VIOLENCE, EVEN DURING THE PANDEMIC, NOT HERE. WHEN SCHOOLS OPENED BACK UP, THERE WERE SOME -- NOT JUST HERE, BUT REALLY CERTAINLY ACROSS COLLIN COUNTY, WE WERE SEEING SOMEHINGS GOING ON IN THE SCHOOLS, BUT NOT -- I'M NOT AWARE OF THERE BEING A PARTICULAR SURGE IN YOUTH VIOLENCE OR YOUTH CRIMES, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY PULL THAT DATA AND SEE AND GET THAT TO YOU, OKAY? YES MA'AM? >> SO I HAVE A QUESTION. I UNDERSTAND -- ACTUALLY, CHIEF, YOU'RE ONE OF THE MAIN PERSONS WHEN IT COMES TO MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS. AND I BELIEVE THAT YOU WERE THE PROPONENT OF A LOT OF THE MENTAL HEALTH AWARENESS IN MANY OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS. MY QUESTION IS, THERE ARE A LOT MORE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AMONGST PEOPLE WHO COMMIT CRIME. AND THAT'S SORT OF BECOME LINKED TO DRUGS BECAUSE THEY SELF-MEDICATE, AND THAT LINKS TO OTHER CRIMES THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE THEFT AND THE ROBBERY AND SO ON AND SO FORTH BECAUSE OF THE DRUGS THAT THEY'RE TAKING. IS THERE SOME WAY THAT WE COULD SOMEHOW, INSTEAD OF JUST PUTTING THEM IN JAIL OR ARRESTING THEM, IS THERE SOMEPLACE OR SOME RESOURCE THAT WE COULD TRY TO ASSIST IN, YOU KNOW, IN HELPING SO THAT WE DON'T CRAM OUR JAILS WITH PEOPLE WITH POPULATION WITH MENTAL ILLNESS? I KNOW A LOT OF THE JAILS ARE WITH A BACKLOG OF OVER THE YEAR FOR MENTALLY ILL PATIENTS. SO WHAT ARE SOME OF THE -- I MEAN, HAVE YOU EXPLORED, LIKE, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE ISSUES OR SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE MAY HAVE? >> YES. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HERE IN COIN COUNTY WITH THE SHERIFF, WITH THE COUNTY, I THINK DALLAS COUNTY JUST OPENED UP -- I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE FACILITY. AND IT'S SLOW GOING. THE OFFICERS HAVE TO GET USED TO IT. BUT A LOT OF THE MENTAL PATIENTS GO TO JAIL BECAUSE OF CRIMINAL TRESPASS. NOW, SOMETIMES THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR THE PEOPLE, FOR THE JAIL CUSTODIANS BECAUSE THIS PERCENTAGE OF YOUR FOLKS ARE UP HERE FOR CRIMINAL TRESPASS. HOWEVER, WE HAVE TO ALSO LOOK AT THAT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE VICTIM. SO YOU KNOW, IF YOU OWN A BUSINESS AND YOU'VE GOT THIS GUY ANHE'S UNATING IN THE CORNER AND HE WON'T LEAVE, WE CAN'T JUST LEAVE HIM THERE BECAUSE HE'S GOT A MENTAL ILLNESS, AND HE MAY NOT FIT THE CRITERIA TO GO FOR THE HOSPITAL. SO DALLAS COUNTY OPENED UP A FACILITY FOR OFFENSES LIKE THAT WHERE THEY CAN GO PUT THEM IN WHERE THEY'RE NOT PARTICULARLY VIOLENT AND NOT GO TO JAIL. NOW, THE SHERIFF IN COLLIN COUNTY I BELIEVE ARE WORKING ON SOMEPLACE LIKE THAT HERE IN COLLIN COUNTY THAT WE CAN USE. SO THAT IS A MODEL THEY'RE USING DOWN IN THE HOUSTON AREA. SO YEAH, THERE ARE SOME THINGS OUT THERE. BUT IT'S GOING TO BE BEYOND MY PAY GRADE TO MAKE THOSE THINGS HAPPEN HERE IN OUR COUNTY. >> Mayor Muns: SHELBY? >> Williams: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHIEF, FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE REPORT. SO MY QUESTIONS REVOLVE AROUND SSI. SO WITH THE CURRENT SSI MODEL, IS THAT GOING TO CHANGE OUR STAFFING NEEDS ONCE WE IMPLEMENT THE TWO NEW BEATS? >> ONCE WE IMPLEMENT THE WHAT? >> Williams: THE TWO NEW BEATS, GOING FROM 25 TO 27? >> NO, SO THE DATA WE GET -- AGAIN, ALL 20 OF THE PATROL OFFICERS WILL GO SOMEWHERE BACK IN PATROL, NUMBER ONE. AND NUMBER TWO -- AND NOW, THAT 60/40 MODEL THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, IT MAY NOT APPLY TO THIS PARTICULAR OFFICER. WHAT WE LOOK AT IS IN THE AGGREGATE. WE HAVE A COMPUTER DISPATCH SO WE CAN GET PRECISELY HOW MUCH TIME WE SPEND ON EACH CALLS FOR SERVICE. AND I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT CHANGING BECAUSE WE NO LONGER HAVE SECOND WATCH. >> Williams: OKAY. AND IF I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY, YOU SAID THAT YOU ONLY USE SSI FOR BEAT OFFICERS. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> Williams: HOW DO WE DETERMINE OUR STAFFIN NEEDS FOR IGHBHOOD OFFICERS AND DETECTIVES AND OTHER -- AND CIVILIAN? >> FOR DETECTIVES, WE HAVE TO DO IT ON THE YEAR WE DO RE-ACCREDITATION. WE DO WHAT'S CALLED A WORKFORCE ANALYSIS THAT MY PLANNING AND RESEARCH COORDINATOR IS WORKING ON AS WE SPEAK. BECAUSE AS I SAID, OUR DUE DATE FOR THIS IS JUNE FOR OUR RE-ACCREDITATION. SO WE LOOK AT THAT FOR EVERY FIVE, EVERY FOUR YEARS. FOR NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICERS, IT'S GOOD. WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH MENTAL HEALTH, WE CAN ADD SOMEBODY. WE CAN PREDICT BEFORE SHOPS OF LEGACY OPENED, WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CROWDS, PEOPLE WALKING AROUND, AND SOME OF THEM ARE GOING TO HAVE CONSUMED ALCOHOL. YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE COPS ON THE GROUND WALKING AROUND. YOU CAN'T HAVE THEM DRIVING THROUGH. SOME OF THAT IS JUST BASED OFF OF OUR EXPERIENCE. BUT THERE'S NO QUANTITATIVE WAY TO NAIL SOME OF THOSE THINGS DOWN. WITH DETECTIVES, PRIMARILY WHAT WE DO IS WHEN WE SEE CERTAIN OFFENSES INCREASING LIKE FINANCIAL CRIMES, OBVIOUSLY, IS THE ONE THAT'S REALLY HARD TO PUT YOUR FINGER ON. YOU KNOW, A VIOLENT CRIME IS -- WE'VE GOT GREAT DETECTIVES LIKE JOHN HAIL OVER HERE DOING A GREAT JOB. THEY'VE GOT A GOOD HANDLE ON THAT. BUT SOME OF OUR FINANCIAL-RELATED CRIMES, COMPUTER-RELATED CRIMES WILL, OF COURSE, GO UP, SO WE HAVE TO ADJUST FOR THAT. >> Williams: WITH THE DETECTIVES, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, YOU ASSESS THE NEEDS FOR DETECTIVE STAFFING IN THE RE-ACCREDITATION PROCESS, WHICH IS THIS YEAR. >> RIGHT. >> Williams: SO UNDERSTANDING WE'RE NOT THERE YET, BUT AS WE HEAD INTO THE BUDGET, DO YOU TO BRING ONDDITNALOING TO NEED DETECTIVES? >> NO, WE'RE NOT. QUITE FRANKLY, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVEN'T SUBMITTED OUR ACTUAL BUDGETS TO HR, WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN THEM SOME IDEA OF WHAT PERSONNEL WE THINK WE NEED. WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY ADDITIONAL PERSONNEL. I THINK WE NEED TWO CIVILIAN PERSONNEL. I'VE GOT TO HAVE AN ADMIN TO HANDLE THE WORKLOAD, FOR SURE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. >> Williams: I ASSUME FOR CIVILIAN STAFF, IT'S THE SAME EQUATION AS NEIGHBORHOOD OFFICERS, JUST GO WITH YOUR GUT? >> YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. I MEAN WITH CERTAIN THINGS, IF WE'RE SEEING INCREASES IN OUR JAIL POPULATION, IF WE CHANGE THE TYPE OF CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT OUR PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS, OUR PSOs CAN HANDLE DRASTICALLY TO WHERE WE KNOW THE WORKLOAD IS GOING TO PICK UP, WE KNOW WE'LL NEED TO ADD BODIES. FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE SUPERVISOR AND THREE DIGITAL MEDIA SPECIALISTS. WE'VE GOTTEN NEW TECHNOLOGY TO FORCE OUR WAY INTO PHONES. SOME OF OUR DETECTIVES ARE TRAINING ON THAT BUT IT'S TING AWAY THEIR TIME. WE WANT TO MOVE IT TO THE FORENSICS UNIT. IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR TO TAKE ON THE MISSION WITHOUT ADDITIONAL PEOPLE. SOME THINGS ARE JUST COMMON SENSE THAT WE NEED TO ADD PEOPLE WHEN YOU GIVE A BIGGER MISSION. >> Williams: OKAY. AND YOU SAID WE'VE GOT FOUR JOB OFFERS OUT RIGHT NOW. IS THAT FOUR OF THE 11 OVERHIRES THAT WERE AUTHORIZED OR TWO DIFFERENT NUMBERS? 4 OUT OF 11? >> THEY'RE NOTCONNECTED. WE'RE AT 414. ACTUALLY, WE MAY ONLY HAVE THREE JOB OFFERS OUT. IF WE COULD BRING THOSE FOLKS ON TODAY, WE WOULD BE AT EXACTLY 417. WE DON'T NEED TO BRING THEM ON YET BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT TO GO THROUGH THE BASIC ACADEMY, AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO START UNTIL MAY 22nd. >> Williams: HOW LONG IS THE ACADEMY? >> (INDISCERNIBLE) ALREADY CERTIFIED. >> Williams: HOW LONG IS THE ACADEMY? I SHOULD KNOW THIS >> THE BASIC ACADEMY ITSELF IS 28 WEEKS AND THEN 4 WEEKS OF UNIQUE PLANO STUFF, SO32 WEEKS. THEN 16 WEEKS OF FIELD TRAINING. >> Williams: OKAY. >> SO ABOUT 50 WEEKS ROUGHLY. >> THANK YOU, CHIEF. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> Holmer: YEAH, I DID. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I ATTENDED THE OPEN HOUSE TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ON THE FETANYL. THERE WAS A STUDENT WHO PASSED AWAY AND I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT UNTIL QUITE A BIT AFTER. ONE OF E THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT IS LEARNING THAT NARCAN WON'T HARM SOMEONE IF IT'S NOT NEEDED. I THOUGHT THAT WAS HELPFUL. I SPOKE TO A LOT OF THE FAMILIES AFTERWARDS AND ONE SENT ME HOME WITH SOME NARCAN, AND I FELT GOOD THAT I WAS PREPARED. THEN LAST FRIDAY I ATTENDED THE POLICE AWARDS CEREMONY, WHICH WAS WONDERFUL TO CELEBRATE ALL OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND THE GREAT WORK THAT THEY DO, BUT A LOT OF THE AWARDS WERE RELATED TO LIFE-SAVING EFFORTS, WHICH AGAIN, WE WERE HAPPY TO APPLAUD. I WAS SURPRED TO LEARN THAT MANY WERE RELATED TO ADMINISTERING NARCAN, AND IT WASN'T EVEN ONE OR TWO DOSES THAT WAS NEEDED. IT WAS THREE OR FOUR DOSES, SO IT KIND OF MADE ME RE-EVALUATE HOW PREPARED I WOULD BE IF I NEEDED TO HELP OUT. I GUESS THE POINT I'M TRYING TO GET TO IS WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO? DO YOU SEE ANY BEST PRACTICES? ANYTHING IN OTHER CITIES BOTH FOR RAISING AWARENESS, FOR JUST EQUIPPING -- AND I KNOW SOME OF THIS IS A SHARED RESPONSIBILITY WITH PISD AS WELL WHEN IT COMES TO OUR YOUTH. BUT I KNOW THERE'S FRUSTRATION. AND TO ME, I -- I'M SURE MAYBE WE'RE DOING MORE THAN I REALIZE, BUT HAVING TWO KIDS IN THE SCHOOLS, IT WASN'T REALLY ON MY RADAR THE WAY IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO AS A COUNCIL, AS A CITY. ARE THERE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES? HOW CAN WE BETTER EDUCATE, BE PREPARED? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN DO? IT'S HEARTBREAKING TO SEE THE STATISTI. IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO, I'D LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT IT >> YES. OFF HAND, I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING THAT THE COUNCIL CAN DO. I THINK WE AS A POLICE DEPARTMENT NEED TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THE FORUMS LIKE YOU ATTENDED, CONTINUE TO PUT INFORMATION ON SOCIAL MEDIA. WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO PARTNER WITH PISD AND FRISCO ISD AND PARTNERS IN COLLIN COUNTY TO DEAL WITH THIS. JUST EDUCATING THE PUBLIC ABOUT THIS. AND YOU KNOW, THE STATE OF TEXAS, THE DEA, ARE USING THAT "ONE PILL CAN KILL" AS THEIR -- EVENTUALLY THAT MESSAGE CAN SINK THROUGH. SOMETIMES THE PUBLIC INFORMATION CAMPAIGNS, WE THOUGHT IT CAN WORK WITH DWI, WE'VE SEEN CHANGES IN THE APPROACH TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. I THINK WE HAVE TO KEEP PUSHING THE MESSAGE. THERE'S ALSO LEGISLATION PENDING DOWN IN AUSTIN RELATED SPECIFICALLY TO FENTANYL. IT WOULD BE MY HOPE IT WOULD ALLOW US -- ONE OF THE REASONS WE PARTNER WITH THE FEDS IS IF SOMEONE OVERDOSES ON AN ILLICIT DRUGS AND IF SOMEONE GAVE THOSE UGS, TY CA BE CHARGED WITH A CRIME AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL FOR SPECIFICALLY DOING THAT. WE DON'T HAVE THAT CAPABILITY AT THE STATE LEVEL. AT THE STATE LEVEL, WE CAN GET THEM FOR TRAFFICKING, MANUFACTURING, AND DELIVERING IS WHAT IT'S CALLED. IF THEY'RE CONVICTED OF THAT, WE CAN GET AN ENHANCEMENT TO THAT CONVICTION. WE CAN ACTUALLY CHARGE THEM WITH THAT DEATH AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL. SO THAT'S WHAT THE PENDING LEGISLATION IN AUSTIN IS LOOKING AT. HOWEVER, THEY'RE ONLY LOOKING AT THAT FOR FENTANYL. I SAID WE HAD 29 OVERDOSE DEATHS LAST YEAR. ABOUT THREE-QUARTERS OF THOSE, FENTANYL WAS THE CAUSE OR ONE OF THE DRUGS IN THEIR BODY. THERE ARE OTHER DRUGS THAT CAN KILL PEOPLE AS WELL. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT ABILITY FOR ALL OF THOSE DRUGS. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON OUT THERE, SO YES. >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND THANK YOU, CHIEF, FOR THAT GREAT PRESENTATION. A QUICK FOLLOWUP ON THE SUBJECT OF MENTAL HEALTH. I KNOW THAT MANY OFFICERS ARE TRAINED WITH CRISIS INTERVENTION TRAINING, CIT. HOW WIDESPREAD IS THAT WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, AND ARE THERE PLANS FOR ADDITIONAL CRISIS INTERVTIONAINING >>OH YEAH, NO, NOT AT 100%. THERE MIGHT BE SOME OUTLIERS, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, ALMOST ALL OF OUR OFFICERS ARE CIT TRAINED. >> Ricciardelli: OH, THAT'S FANTASTIC. >> THE LEGISLATURE MAYBE TWO SESSIONS AGO MANDATED CIT TRAINING FOR NEW OFFICERS. THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET IT IN ACADEMY TRAINING BUT THAT'S WHERE WE DO IT. WE DECIDED TO PUT IT IN THE ACADEMY AND GET IT KNOCKED OUT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO SEND THEM BACK. IN PLANO, WE HAD ALREADY BEEN DOING CIT FORYEARS, PROBABLY 2012 MAYBE. YOU KNOW, 2010 WE STARTED. OUR GOAL THEN WAS ALL OF OUR UNIFORMED OFFICERS, PATROL OFFICERS, EVERY SRO, IF YOU WEAR A UNIFORM, YOU NEED TO GET THAT TRAINING, SO WE'VE BEEN WELL AHEAD OF THE CURVE ON CIT TRAINING FOR YEARS. >> Ricciardelli: WELL, THAT'S FANTASTIC. THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> MM-HMM. >> Mayor Muns: GO AHEAD. >> THANKS, MAYOR. CHIEF, FIRST OF ALL, I'M REALLY GLAD TO HEAR THAT WE'RE DOING A GREAT JOB RETAINING EXISTING PD MEMBERS BUT ALSO THAT WE'RE A VERY DESIRABLE PLACE TO WORK AND ARE HAVING GOOD RESULTS GETTING NEW OFFICERS IN THERE. I WANTED TO ASK YOU ON THE ELIMINATION OF THE SECOND WATCH, DO YOU FEEL THAT'S A PERMANENT THING, OR IS IN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME?TE - AS I RECALL THAT GENERALLY THAT WAS A PRETTY WIDELY LIKED OPTION FOR SOME OF THE OFFICERS TO HAVE TO WORK THE SECOND WATCH. DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE RE-EVALUATED AT SOME POINT IN TIME, ORHAT ULD BE THE CRITERIA FOR THAT? >> NO, AND YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME OFFICERS THAT PREFER THAT SHIFT. BUT 12-HOUR SHIFTS ARE SO ACCEPTED NOW. IN FACT, WE HAVE DIFFICULTIES GETTING GUYS TO APPLY FOR SPECIALIZED POSITIONS BECAUSE THEY LIKE WORKING THOSE 12-HOUR SHIFTS. WHA THEY LIKE IS HAVING THE THREE DAYS OFF IN A ROW, EVERY OTHER WEEKEND, THREE-DAY WEEKEND, TAKE A COUPLE DAYS OFF AND THEY CAN BE OFF FOR FIVE OR SIX DAYS MUCH I DON'T THINK THERE WILL BE A BIG PUSH FOR THAT. THE KEY IS -- AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT IN DETAIL -- IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE HELP FROM SOME OF THE SPECIALIZED UNITS IN COVERING DOWN THE COSTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DAY SHIFT GUYS GET OFF ON TIME. AFTER WORKING 12 HOURS, THOSE GUYS CAN'T BE WORKING FOR ANOTHER HOUR JUST ANSWERING CALLS. OCCASIONALLY THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO. THEY'LL MAKE A LATE ARREST. YOU HAVE TO FINISH IT UP. WE JUST CAN'T GET AROUND THAT. BUT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE ROUTINELY GUYS WORKING DAY SHIFT, WORKING LATE HOURS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT AND THINK WE CAN HANDLE THAT. QUITE FRANY,HE BTOM LINE IS, SECOND WATCH ISN'T GIVING US MUCH OF A PUNCH. SOMETIMES THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE GUYS IN BRIEFING, DON'T HAVE BEAT RESPONSIBILITY, MINIMUM STAFFING. THEY TAKE OFF. THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE GUYS IN BRIEFING TRYING TO COVER A WHOLE RADIO CHANNEL. THEY'RE NOT GIVING MUCH HELP AT ALL IN THAT REGARD. THE REASON WE'RE GETTING RID OF THAT UNIT IS BECAUSE I CAN BETTER UTILIZE THOSE BODIES AS BEAT OFFICERS WITH BEAT RESPONSIBILITIES AND TRY TO EVEN OUT, BALANCE OUT THE BODIES ON COMMAND AREA ONE VERSUS COMMAND AREA TWO. >> Grady: GREAT. A I KNOW Y D THE DEPARTMENT WILL DO TO KEEP PEOPLE WANTING TO BE AT THE BEST PD PROBABLY IN THE COUNTRY. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> Grady: JUST TO END ON A HAPPY NOTE, YOU MENTIONED THE PCP AAA AND VOLUNTEER PERSONNEL. WHAT WAS THE ENDING NUMBER IN 2022, HOW MANY HOURS WERE CONTRIBUTED BY THOSE FOLKS? >> YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, SIR. I'LL HAVE TO GO BACK AND GET THAT NUMBER. FOR 2022. SO YOU WANT TO KNOW THE ENDING -- >> Grady: I MISSED THAT NUMBER. I KNOW IT WAS WELL IN THE MID TEENS THOUSANDS OF HOURS OF ANNUAL CONTRIBUTION RELATING TO A MILLION-PLUS DOLLARS OF EQUIVALENT STAFFING TIME. SO I WAS CURIOUS WHAT OUR LAST ANNUAL NUMBER WAS ON THAT. >> I'LL START ADDING THAT TO THE BRIEFING. OUR VOLUNTEERS HAVEN'T ■FALLEN OFF. STILL DOING A GREAT JOB RECRUITING. THOSE GUYS ARE AT EVERY CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY CLASS, COOKING FOOD, AND EVERY CLASS WE GET NEW PEOPLE JOIN UP. SOME DECIDE TO GO FURTHER THAN THAT INTO THE CAP PROGRAM. >> THANKS, CHIEF, APPRECIATE IT. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, CHIEF. APPRECIATE ALL YOUR WORK. >> OKAY. >> Mayor Muns: NEXT ITEM IS ITEM III, DEPARTMENT REPORT FROM THE PLANO FIRE RESCUE, FIRE CHIEF CHRIS BIGGERSTAFF. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL, MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THE DEPARTMENT JUST A LITTLE BIT. START OUT HERE WITH OUR -- WITH OUR MISSION STATEMENT. PROFESSIONAL SERVICE WITH HEART, INTEGRITY ALWAYS. IT'S A LITTLE SHORTER THAN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. FIREMEN HAVE A HARDER TIME REMEMBERING THOSE THINGS. NO, THAT REALLY REFLECTS THE VALUES OF OUR DEPARTMENT. AND LIKE THE PD HAD FOUR THINGS THEY FOCUS ON. REALLY, WE HAVE THREE THINGS A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE COME TO ME AND SAY CHIEF, WHAT IS IT THAT'S YOUR PLAN FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR YOUR VISION FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT? WE TAKE A LOT OF CITIZEN FEEDBACK. WE HAVE A SPOT ON OUR WEBSITE FOR FEEDBACK. WE SEND OUT 200 CARDS TO EMS PATIENTS EVERY MONTH TO TRY TO SOLICIT FEEDBACK. WE DO SURVEYS FOR THE CITIZENS FOR OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING SO WE CAN TAKE THE FEEDBACK AND DEVELOP A VERY SIMPLE PLAN, AND THAT IS THAT WHEN WE GET A 911 CALL, WWANT T GET THERE QUICK, WE WANT TO DO GOOD WORK. WE WANT TO SHOW COMPASSION. THAT'S WHAT WE FOCUS ON. AND SO THAT PLAN IS RELATIVELY SIMPLE PLAN. BUT WHENEVER YOU FIGURE IN THAT WE'RE AN ALL-HAZARD DEPARTMENT, IT GETS A LITTLE MORE COMPLEX BECAUSE AN ALL-HAZARD DEPARTMENT IS A DEPARTMENT THAT REPRESENTS EVERY LEVEL OF HAZARD RESPONSE, WHETHER IT'S A TRENCH RESCUE HAZARD MATERIALS, CONFINED SPACE, BUILDING COLLAPSE, ROPE RESCUE, EMS, SWIFTWATER, OR VEHICLE EXTRACATION. THERE'S A LOT OTHERS. YOU PUT THAT IN THERE AND IT GETS MORE COMPLEX WHEN YOU FIGURE OUT HOW MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF CALLS YOU HAVE TO BE PREPARED TO RESPOND TO. OUR DEPARTMENT IS BROKEN DOWN INTO TWO DIVISIONS AND SIX SECTIONS TO HELP COVER THESE TYPES OF CALLS WE'RE REFERRING TO. SO OUR FIRST DIVISION IS OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES DIVISION. THAT'S ASSISTANT CHIEF JAIME REYES WHO IS OVER THAT DIVISION. WE HAVE 375 OF OUR 404 UNIFORMED PERSONNEL ARE IN THIS DIVISION. THE FIRST SECTION IN THERE IS THE ONE WE'RE MOST FAMILIAR WITH, AND THAT'S OUR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS SECTION. THAT'S THE ONES THAT YOU SEE OUT MAKING THE CALLS. 13 ENGINES, 5 ARIEL TRUCKS, 10 AMBULANCES, 3 CHIEFS AND 1 SQUAD THAT ARE OUT THERE. THAT'S 100-PERSON STAFFING DAILY. THOSE ARE THE ONES YOU SEE MAKING THE EMERGENCY CALLS OUT THERE. BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE AN ALL-HAZARD DEPARTMENT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE ANY TYPE OF CALL THAT COMES IN. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF SPECIALTY TEAMS THAT ARE PREPARED TO DO THAT. SO IN OUR SPECIAL OPERATIONS SECTION, THAT COVERS OUR HAZMAT TEAM, HIGH ANGLE, TRENCH RESCUE, SWIFT WATER, WILD LAND AND TACTICAL MEDICS, DIFFERENT SPECIALTY TEAMS SO WE'RE ABLE TO MEET THE NEEDS ON ALL THOSE CALLS. OUR EMS AND TRAININGSECTION, THEY'RE THE ONE WHO ARE PROVIDING THE TRAINING FOR OUR MEMBERS SO WHEN WE GET THERE QUICK AND GO TO DO GOOD WORK, WE'RE PREPARED FOR THAT BECAUSE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN BY ACCIDENT. IT TAKES A LOT OF PREPARATION IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO GOOD WORK ON ALL THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CALLS THAT WE HAVE THERE. SO THE SECOND -- THE SECOND DIVISION THAT WE HAVE, THAT'S OUR SUPPORT SERVICES DIVISION, THAT'S ASSISTANT CHIEF MOWGLI THAT RUNS THAT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE ALMOST 33,000 CALLS, YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT 33,000 TIMES IN A YEAR, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A LOT OF SUPPORT. SO WE HAVE A GREAT SUPPORT SERVICES AREA, AND WE HAVE OUR LOGISTICS SECTION THAT MAKES SURE WE HAVE GOOD APPARATUS AND GOOD EQUIPMENT. YOU CAN'T MAKE THOSE CALLS WITHOUT THAT KIND OF SUPPORT. BUT ANOTHER AREA THAT WE TRY TO DO IS WE TRY TO PREVENT AS MANY EMERGENCIES FROM HAPPENING AS WE CAN BEFORE THEY GET THERE. SO WE HAVE A FIRE PREVENTION SECTION. THEY TAKE CARE OF TRYING TO PREVENT FIRES BY DOING YEARLY INSPECTIONS, DOING PLAN REVIEWS, CODE ENFORCEMENT, ALL THOSE THINGS TO TRY TO PREVENT THEM. WE ALSO HAVE ON THE EMS SIDE, WE HAVE OUR COMMUNITY MEDIC PROGRAM AND THEY'LL IDENTIFY HIGH-RISK GROUPS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND TRY TO REACH OUT AND ADDRESS THOSE NEEDS BEFORE WE EVER GET . THAT'S THE GROUPS WE HAVE GOING THERE. AS FAR AS ACCREDTATIONS GO, WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING TO BE RECOGNIZED FOR OUR CFAI ACCREDITATION. WE HOLD THAT, A CAST ACCREDITATION AND ALSO AN ISO-1. IN 2001, WE WERE THE ONLY DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTRY THAT HAS THAT. WE'RE STILL THE ONLY DEPARTMENT IN TEXAS THAT HAS ALL THREE OF THOSE ACCREDITATIONS. ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT THAT IS IT JUST PROMOTES CONSTANT IMPROVEMENT. YOU'RE CONSTANTLY EVALUATING YOURSELF AND LOOKING AT THE BENCHMARKS THAT YOU'VE ALREADY SET. JUST SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS FROM 2022, WE HAD A VERY BUSY YEAR. IF YOU WENT BACK TO THE ACCREDITATIONS, WE HAD THE CAST ACCREDITATIO AND THE CFAI ACCREDITATION, DID THAT THERE. I THINK CHIEF GREIF STACKED THEM UP. NO, WE HAD ALL THOSE AND THIS PART OF THE YEAR WE'RE WORKING ON YOU'RE ISO RENEWAL. VERY BUSY YEAR IN 2022. SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS WHERE WE ADDED A NEW BRUSH TRUCK, LIGHTER TRUCK, SPECIAL OPERATIONS TRUCK. WE HIRED 30 FIREFIGHTERS, WHICH IS A LOT FOR US. WE DON'T NORMALLY HIRE THAT MANY. AND THEN SOME OF THE PT TT MADE IT THE BUSIEST IS WE WENT BACK TO OUR PUBLIC-FACING THINGS, SAFETY SCHOOL, FIRE ACADEMY, MANY OF OUR PUBLIC EDUCATION EVENTS THAT WE HAD DONE IN THE PAST. ONE OF THE BEST THINGS WE DID LAST YEAR WAS WE OPENED A TRAINING CENTER. I THINK PROBABLY MOST OF YOU WERE THERE FOR THE OPENING OF THE TRAINING CENTER. ♪ ♪ >> MY WIFE, WHENEVER SHE GETS A CAPTIVE AUDIENCE, SHE SHOWS PICTURES OF OUR GRANDKIDS. I SHOW PICTURES OF THE TRAINING CENTER EVERY OPPORTUNITY THAT I GET. (LAUGHTER) AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S ALREADY EXPANDED OUR TRAINING. THAT'S OUR CITY MANAGER UP THERE ON THAT AERIAL LADDER DOING A LITTLE TRAINING WITH US. SO LAST YEAR'S CALL VOLUME, WE DID -- ON THIS GRAPH, WE SHOW YOU THE LAST T YEARS OF CALL VOLUME. YOU CAN SEE WE MADE ALMOST 33,000 CALLS LAST YEAR. AND THAT LOOKS LIKE WE WENT DOWN A LITTLE FROM THE YEAR BEFORE. AND WE DID NUMBER-WISE, BUT IF YOU REMEMBER IN 2021, WE MADE 2800 CALLS OR 2900 CALLS IN A MATTER OF ABOUT FIVE DAYS IN 2021. SO THAT KIND OF SKEWED THE NUMBERS A LITTLE BIT. WE DON'T NORMALLY DO THAT. WE NORMALLY MAKE A HUNDRED CALLS A DAY. AND THERE WERE A COUPLE DAYS WE MADE ALMOST 1,000 CALLS. THAT SKEWED OUR NUMBERS A BIT. IF YOU TAKE THAT OUT AND TE ALSO WE HAD THE WINTER STORM IN 2022 AT THE END WHERE WE MADE 700 CALLS IN A REAL SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. YOU TAKE THOSE TWO OUT, AND WE ACTUALLY WENT UP ABOUT A 6% INCREASE IN CALLS FOR THE YEAR. IF YOU LOOK AT THE TEN-YEAR PERIOD, IT'S ABOUT A 57% INCREASE OVER THAT TEN YEARS THERE. WE'VE ADDED -- CHIEF GREIF WHEN HE WAS HERE, ADDED AN ENGINE TWO OR TRUCK 8 AND ANOTHER AMBULANCE. AND LAST YEAR Y'ALL WERE GRACIOUS ENOUGH TOIVES TWO MORE AMBULANCES TO HELP WITH THE INCREASE IN CALL VOLUME THAT WE'VE HAD. THESE ARE OUR STATIONS, AND THE BUSIEST ONE THERE IS STATION ONE, THE DISTRICT YOU'RE IN NOW. STATION TWO NEXT TO VINES HIGH SCHOOL, THAT'S OUR SECOND BUSIEST. BELOW THAT, THEY RUN BETWEEN 2,000, 2,500 CALLS A YEAR ON A LOT OF THEM. WE HAVE A COUPLE SLOWER STATIONS, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THEM FIT IN THAT CATEGORY. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US, BECAUSE IT'S THE -- IT'S BEEN THE NUMBER ONE THING ON ALL OF OUR SURVEYS FROM THE CITIZENS, AND THAT'S OUR RESPONSE TIME, ABOUT US GETTING THERE QUICK. AND THIS IS -- SHOWS OUR AVERAGE RESPONSE TIMES FOR THE YEAR. FOR 2021 AND FOR 2022. THAT FIRST PART, THAT CALL PROCESSING TIME, THAT'S OUR DISPATCH TIME, AND THEY DO A GREAT JOB. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT IN DISPATCH WHAT THEY CAN KEEP UP WITH AT ONE TIME AND GET DISPATCHED AT ONE TIME. SO 38 SECONDS FROM THE TIME THAT CALL COMES IN TILL THE TIME THE TONES GO OFF IN THE STATION. AND OUR TURNOUT TIME, FROM THE TIME THE TONES GO OFF TILL THE TIME OUR WHEELS ROLL OUT THE DOOR, THAT'S A MINUTE AND 6-SECOND AVERAGE. YOU LOOK AT THE TOTAL AVERAGE AND THAT'S A 5 MINUTE, 30-SECOND AVERAGE FOR THE TOTAL RESPONSE TIME. AND ALL THOSE WERE DOWN FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR JUST A LITTLE BIT. THE LINE BELOW IT IS YOUR 90th PERCENTILE. 90% OF THE TIME WE'RE GETTING THERE IN LESS THAN 8 MINUTES AND 1 SECOND. THESE ARE THE TYPE OF CALLS THAT WE'RE GOING ON EACH YEAR. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE MAJORITY OF THE CALLS WE GO ON ARE EMS CALLS. AND THE HAZARDOUS MATERIAL CALLS, THAT'S OUR SPILLS LEAKS CO. THE GOOD INTENT CALLS, THOSE ARE CALLS WHERE YOU'RE EITHER CANCELLED ENROUTE OR YOU GET THERE AND N EMERGENCY IS FOUND. SERVICE CALLS, THAT'S OUR FALLS, WATER PROBLEMS, SMOKE PROBLEM, ASSIST POLICE, THOSE TYPE OF CALLS. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY UP THERE YOUR FIRE CALL. THAT'S YOUR 1% THERE IS THE NUMBER -- THE PERCENTAGE OF IT THAT ARE FIRE CALLS. 2022, 21,765 EMS CALLS. EARLIER WE TALKED ABOUT THE INCREASE OF 57% OVER THAT TEN YEARS. HE'S ONE OF THE CAUSES OF THAT INCREASE, AND THAT IS THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT WE TRANSPORTED 7.6 MORE PATIENTS IN 2022 THAN WE DID IN 2021. THE PATIENTS THAT ARE 65 YEARS OR OLDER ACCOUNT FOR 50% OF THE PATIENT TRANSPORTS THERE. SO AS THAT DEMOGRAPHIC INCREASES, OUR PATIENT TRANSPORTS INCREASE AS WE SEE OUR OVERALL CALL VOLUME INCREASE AS WELL. LAST YEAR, WE ASKED FOR TWO MORE AMBULANCES AS A RESULT OF SOME DATA THAT WE HAD PRESENTED TO CITY MANAGEMENT. PART OF THAT WAS THE MED UNIT OVERLOAD, AND WHAT THE MED UNIT OVERLOAD IS, THAT'S WHENEVER WHEN WE GET DOWN TO ONE AMBULANCE AVAILABLE, THE TONE IS SET OFF THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENT AND LETS US KNOW WE ONLY HAVE ONE AMBULANCE AVAILABLE. THAT WAY IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO CLEAR UP ANY AMBULANCES, WE DO THAT. IF THAT AMBULANCE IS CALLED OUT OR WE DON'T GET THREE AMBULANCES AVAILABLE DURING THE NEXT FIVE MINUTES, WE GO INTO WHAT'S CALLED MED UNIT OVERLOAD. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, BACK IN 2018, 2019, WE MIGHT HAVE DONE THAT ONE, MAYBE TWO TIMES A MONTH. AND THEN YOU MOVE OVER TO '21, '22, WE WERE DOING IT ANYWHERE FROM 8 TO 16 TIMES A MONTH. SO IT WAS A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE SHOWING THAT WE WERE IN NEED OF ADDITIONAL AMBULANCES. AND YOU CAN SEE WE PUT AN AMBULANCE IN SERVICE THERE IN THE -- IN OCTOBER, OCTOBER 1st WE DID. SO YOU CAN SEE OCTOBER 1st OF 2022, THE NUMBERS STARTED COMING DOWN. THEN WE PUT AN ADDITIONAL AMBULANCE IN SERVICE THERE ON JANUARY 1st. AND YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBERS CAME DOWN A LITTLE FURTHER. WE WERE HOPING THEY'D COME BACK DOWN TO MORE AROUND THAT 2018, 2019 NUMBER. LOOKS LIKE WE'RE ON PACE FOR ABOUT 40 MED UNIT OVERLOADS THIS YEAR BASED ON WHAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR THIS YEAR. THIS IS A HEAT MAP FOR OUR E CALL AND IT LOOKS A LOT LIKE PD's HEAT MAP WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AREA DOWN 75 THERE. SO YOU SEE A LOT OF THOSE ARE GOING TO BE VEHICLE ACCIDENTS AND A LOT OF YOUR OTHER HOTSPOTS ARE GOING TO BE YOUR LONG-TERM CARE FACILITIES THAT ARE HERE IN TOWN. FIRE INCIDENTS, WE MADE 529 FIRE INCIDENTS LAST YEAR, WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN THE YEARS BEFORE. PART OF THAT WAS, IF YOU REMEMBER LAST SUMMER, WE HAD A VERY DRY SUMMER. SO WE HAD -- WE MADE 103 GRASS FIRES VERSUS 41 FROM THE YEAR BEFORE. SO A LOT HIGHER IN THAT NUMBER. THAT HEAT MAP THERE SHOWS ALL OF THE STRUCTURE FIRES THAT WE MADE LAST YEAR. AND THEN THAT'S OUR CUSTOMER SATISFACTION. I DON'T KNOW WHERE CHIEF CAME UP WITH THE WHOLE PART ABOUT PD BEING HIGHER ON THE OTHER PIECE. (LAUGHTER) I HAVEN'T FOUND THAT YET. BUT I TRUST HIM. I TRUST THAT HE'S PROBABLY ACCURATE. SO I'M HAPPY TO ANER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Muns: GO AHEAD. >> CHIEF, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'VE GOT TWO QUESTIONS. ONE, YOU SHOWED A SPIKE IN THE NEED FOR BOXES OUT THERE, AMBULANCES OUT IN THE FIELD. IT SEEMED TO CORRESPOND WITH THE SAME TIME THAT WE WERE DEALING WITH THE COVID ISSUE. IS THAT -- WAS THERE A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THAT AND THE NUMBER OF CALLS THAT WE HAD FOR RESCUE, EMS UNITS? >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. AT FIRST WE THOUGHT MAYBE. SO DURING 2020, THE FIRST PART OF COVID,UR NUMBERS WEN WAY DOWN ACTUALLY. NOBODY WANTED TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL. EVERYBODY WAS CONCERNED ABOUT GOING. YOU KNOW, THEY WEREN'T SURE HOW THAT WAS GOING TO WORK OUT. SO OUR CALL VOLUME ACTUALLY WENT WAY DOWN. IT BEGUN TO GO UP IN 2021. AND AT THE BEGINNING OF '21, IT WAS PRETTY HIGH COVID RATE. SO THAT COULD HAVE BEEN. WE THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE PART OF IT, BUT THE NUMBERS DIDN'T COME DOWN WHEN COVID CAME DOWN. AGAIN IN 2022,HEY WERE VERY HIGH DURING THAT TIME. SO I DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY EVIDENCE EVEN THIS YEAR OF THEM GOING BACK THE OTHER DIRECTION. >> OKAY. SECOND QUESTION -- AND I'M GOING TO RELAY IT TO YOU AND I'M ALSO GOING TO RELAY IT TO CHIEF DRAIN. CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS SALARIES OF OUR UNIFORMED OFFICERS AND THE BONUSES AND SALARIES OTHER CITIES ARE USING TO ATTRACT UNIFORMED OFFICERS INTO THEIR FORCES. I ULD HATE TO SEE US LOSE OUR WELL-TRAINED OFFICERS TO OTHER CITIES BECAUSE OF BONUSES OR HIGHER SALARIES. HOW ARE WE DOING COMPETITIVE-WISE FROM A SALARY STANDPOINT? >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. WE WERE ACTUALLY WORKING WITH HR LAST WEEK JUST GOING THROUGH LOOKING AT THE STARTING SALARY FOR DEPARTMENTS THAT WE'RE COMPETING WITH. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM THAT ARE DOING A LOT OF THE THINGS YOU SAID. THEY'RE DOING BONUSES IN THE FRONT OR THEY'VE SEEN A PAY INCREASE. JUST DOING DIFFERENT THINGS, DOING WHAT THEY CALL LATERAL TRANSFERS WHERE YOU CAN HIRE ON AND BRING YOUR SENIORITY WITH YOU UP TO A CERTAIN POINT. ALL THOSE THINGS TO BUMP THOSE UP. SO ONE OF THE -- THERE'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT OR ASKING FOR IN OUR BUDGET SUPPLEMENTS WAS THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MAYBE DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO A LATERAL TRANSFER, EXCEPT WE ONLY DO TWO STEPS, AND THAT WOULD BE MOVE US TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE JUST TOPPED OUT FROM THE BEGINNING. THAT WOULD MAKE US MORE COMPETITIVE ON THAT FRONT END OF THAT HIRING. JUST HELP US WITH THAT INITIAL SALARY COMING IN, WHICH IS WHAT A LOT O YOUR FIREFIGHTERS ARE LOOKING AT. THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY LOOKING LONG TERM. THEY'RE LOOKING AT WHAT THAT SALARY IS WHEN THEY START. >> CHIEF DRAIN, SAME QUESTION TO YOU. WE'RE GOING INTO A BUDGET SESSION, WHICH IS THE REASON I'M BRINGING IT UP. >> WE'RE DOWN LESS THAN 1% FROM 417, TOTAL NUMBER OF AUTHORIZED POSITIONS. SO AT THIS TIME, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO REQUEST THAT. I DID HAVE MY BUDGET ANALYST COMPUTE OUT WHAT IT WOULD COST FOR US TO DO A LATERAL HIRE PROGRAM AT ABOUT THREE YEARS IS WHERE -- THREE OR FOUR YEARS IS WHERE MOST OF OUR OFFICERS -- THERE ARE OTHER STEPS, BUT THAT'S KIND OF REALLY WHERE THEY GET MOST OF THEIR BANG FOR THE BUCK. IF WE BROUGHT THAT IN -- AND IT WAS A PRETTY HIGH NUMBER. WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND ALL THE GUYS WE HIRED STILL BELOW THAT WHO ARE CERTIFIED, WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY THEM THAT INCREASE AS WELL. SO WE'LL LOOK AT THAT. AND I WON'T BE SHY ABOUT ASKING FOR IT IF I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT LATER ON. BURIGH NOW, WE'RE RECRUITING FINE AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT. YOU ARE RIGHT, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW CITIES AROUND US DOING THAT. OUR NUMBERS STILL LOOK BETTER THAN THEIRS EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT DOING THAT AT THIS TIME. BUT THAT COULD CHANGE. IF THAT CHANGES, I'LL CHANGE. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: DEPUTY MAYOR? >> Tu: CHIEF, THIS IS JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY. I'VE NOTICED ON THE BURNER KIND OF MAP WHERE ULTIMATE EMS RESPONSES ARE, MOSTLY IT'S ON THE HIGHWAY. AM I CORRECT ABOUT THAT? >> THEY WERE. >> Tu: THEY'RE ALL FOCUSED AROUND THE -- YEAH, YEAH. >> THERE'S A LOT OF THEM RIGHT THERE AROUND HIGHWAY 75, JUST LIKE WHERE CHIEF WAS TALKING ABOUT THE MAJORITY OF THE ACCI ACCIDENTS. THOSE WILL BE THE SAME CALLS. THE OTHERS ARE LONG-TERM CARE FACILITIES. >> Tu: I PERSONALLY BELIEVE PLANO DRIVERS ARE VERY SAFE DRIVERS, SO I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO SEE THE PERCENTAGE OF THE ASSISTANCE WE ACTUALLY PUT OUT IN THESE ROADS. ARE THESE ALL DRIVE-THROUGH -- THESE ARE BYPASSING PLANO DRIVERS GOING TO A DIFFERENT CITY RATHER THAN OUR PLANO RESIDENTS. I WANT TO SEE HOW MUCH OF PERCENTAGE OF THOSE RESPONSES ARE HELPING OUT-OF-CITY-TYPE INCIDENTS. >> OKAY, I'LL LOOK. WE'LL SEE WHAT I CAN COME UP WITH ON THAT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW. WE CAN CHECK AND SEE IF WE CAN TRACK THAT DOWN. >> Tu: THANK YOU, APPRECIATE THAT. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS. >> Williams: THANK YOU, CHIEF. QUICK QUESTION, HOW DOES STATION STAFFING DIFFER BY DISTRICT? LIKE WITH STATION ONE THAT HAS THE HIGHEST CALL VOLUME VERSUS I THINK STATION 11 HAD THE LOWEST. HOW DOES THE STAFFING AT THOSE DIFFER? OR DOES IT? >> IT DOES. IN OUR BUSIER PLACES LIKE THAT, WE'LL HAVE DOUBLE COMPANY HOUSES, THE ENGINE AND THE TRUCK. WE HAVE AN ENGINE, TRUCK, AMBULANCE THERE AT STATION ONE. EACH ONE OF OUR LARGE APPARATUS HAS FOUR-PERSON STAFFING. SO THERE'S TEN PEOPLE WORKING AT A TIME THERE AT CENTRAL STATION VERSUS STATION 11. WE HAVE ONE ENGINE THERE WITH FOUR PPLE ON IT. SO WE HAVE FOUR PEOPLE THERE. SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW THAT LOOKS. THE BUSIER DISTRICTS, WE TRY TO HAVE THE DOUBLE COMPANY HOUSES IF WE CAN, AND YOU'RE SPREADING OUT YOUR AERIAL COVERAGE AS WELL. YOU WANT YOUR ARIEL LADDERS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT TO STRUCTURE FIRES WITHIN THE TIME WE WANT TO SEE THEM THERE. SO KIND OF TRYING TO WORK THOSE TWO TOGETHER. >> Williams: OKAY. DO ALL THE STATIONS HAVE AN AMBULANCE AND AN ENGINE? >> NO, SIR. WE HAVE TEN AMBULANCES. SO WE HAVE THREE STATIONS THAT DON'T HAVE AN AMBULANCE. AND I ANTICIPATE WE WILL OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS, WE'LL NEED TO ADD ADDITIONAL AMBULANCES, ESPECIALLY AS WE SEE -- ONE OF THE THINGS WE LOOKED AT LAST YEAR, WE LOOKED AT THE AGE AS IT GOES UP, YOU KNOW, IT'S 2022 TO 2030, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE 100% INCREASE IN THE 65 AND OLDER RANGE, WHICH IS WHERE 50% OF THE TRANSPORTS WERE COMING FROM. SO WE ANTICIPATE HAVING TO ADD AMBULANCES TO KEEP UP WITH THAT. >> Williams: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, CHIEF. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THA YOU, CHIEF. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: NEXT ITEM IS ITEM IV, CONSENT AND REGULAR AGENDAS. IS THERE ANY ITEM A COUNCILMEMBER WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE? >> Ricciardelli: MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO REMOVE ITEM C. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY, ITEM C. ANY ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION OR FUTURE AGENDAS? >> MR. MAYOR, IN CONSIDERATION OF THE DISCUSSION THAT A COUPLE OF COUNCILMEMBERS POINTED OUT WITH THE HEA MAPS ON 75, I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE FOR THE COUNCIL TO GET A BRIEFING ON WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ON 75 IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE. I THINK THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER JACK CARR ALSO KNOWS WHERE I'M LEADING ON THAT IN THE DISCUSSION OF CHANGES ON 75 AND WHAT IS THAT GOING TO MEAN? WHICH ALSO MAY MEAN MORE ISSUES ON 75 THAN WE HAVE TODAY. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. >> Ricciardelli: I'LL SECOND THAT. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I NOW DECLARE THAT THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL IS RECONVENED INTO OPEN SESSION, THAT ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. WE'LL BEGIN TONIGHT'S REGULAR MEETING WITH THE INVOCATION LED BY REVEREND DAE JUNG, PASTOR OF THE WEST PLANO PRESBYTERIAN AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND TEXAS PLEDGE LED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT POST 911. WOULD YOU ALL PLEASE STAND? >> I INVITE YOU TO PRAY FROM YOUR FAITH TRADITION, FROM WHEREVER FAITH TRADITION YOU COME FROM. SO LET US PRAY TOGETHER. GOD OF JUSTICE AND MERCY, THANK YOU FOR THE GIFT OF LIFE AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE PEOPLE OF OUR CITY. HELP US TO ACT WITH CHARACTER AND CONVICTION AND HELP US TO LISTEN WITH UNDERSTANDING AND GOODWILL. GIVE US A SPIRIT OF SERVICE AS WE CONVENE OUR MEETING. MAY WE B MINDFUL, ESPECIALLY FOR, OF THOSE WHO ARE IN NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE ASK FOR YOUR BLESSING, AND WE THANK YOU FOR ALL THOSE AROUND THIS TABLE FOR THEIR GIFTS AND TALENTS AS THEY SERVE THIS COMMUNITY. AMEN. (PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE) (TEXAS PLEDGE) . >> Mayor Muns: BE SEATED. THANKS, GUYS. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU GUYS FOR DOING THIS. LET'S TAKE A PICTURE. WELL, GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PROCLAMATIONS. THE MONTH OF APRIL 18th THROUGH THE 24th IS NATIONAL CRIME VICTIMS' RIGHTS WEEK. THELANO POLICE DEPARTMENT AND PLANO VICTIM SERVICES PROGRAM HELP VICTIMS OF VIOLENT CRIMES. SO I'D LIKE TO CALL FORWARD GAYE LAKO, SENIOR POLICE LEGAL ADVISOR, AND KRISTIE HOFFPOWER, SENIOR VICTIM ADVOCATE. HI. SO I'D LIKE TO READ THE PROCLAMATION FOR THIS WEEK. WHEREAS THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS ENACTED THE VICTIMS OF CRIME ACT IN 1984 AND SOON AFTER THE TEXAS LEGISLATURE PASSED A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT GUARANEING VICTIMS THE RIGHT TO MEANINGFULLY PARTICIPATE IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE PROCESS. WHEREAS THE PLANO POLICE DEPARTMENT'S VICTIM SERVICES PROGRAM PROVIDES SERVICES FREE OF CHARGE TO HELP REDUCE THE SHORT AND LONG-TERM EFFECTS DUE TO VIOLENT CRIMES FOR THOSE DISTRESSED AND IS DEDICATED TO STRENGTHENING VICTIMS AND THOSE WHO SURVIVE IN THE AFTERMATH OF CRIME. THESE SERVICES OFFER A PATH TO A BETTER FUTURE FOR THOSE WHO ARE AFFECTED BY THE UNLAWFUL ACTIVITIES OF OTHERS. NOW, THEREFORE, I JOHN B. MUNS, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PLANO, TEXAS, DO HERE BY PROCLAIM APRIL 23rd THROUGH THE 29th, 2023, IS NATIONAL CRIME VICTIMS' RIGHTS WEEK IN PLANO. I DO THEREBY ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO JOIN ME AND THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL IN THANKING THE PLANO POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE PLANO VICTIM SERVICES PROGRAM AND ALL THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE PROFESSIONALS WHO WORK WITH PASSION AND RESOLVE TO SAFEGUARD VICTIMS O CRIME IN OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. (APPLAUSE) . >> THANK YOU FOR COMING THIS EVENING. NATIONAL CRIME VICTIMS RIGHTS WEEK IS A WEEK TO JUST HONOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD THEIR LIVES ALTERED AS BEING A VICTIM OF A CRIME, SO WE WANT TO SHOW THEM SUPPORT, THAT THEY CAN COME FORWARD AND BE BELIEVED AND SUPPORTED. MANY WILL NEED ONGOING RESOURCES, SO THE PLANO POLICE DEPARTMENT VICTIM SERVICES UNIT EXISTS TO PROVIDE COMPREHENSIVE AND COMPASSIONATE SERVICES TO HELP REDUCE THE pSH TRAUMA THAT SOMEONE EXPERIENCES AS A RESULT OF THEIR VICTIMIZATION. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. THANK YOU. LET'S GIVE THEM A HAND ONE MORE TIME. (APPLAUSE) >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. OUR NEXT PROCLAMATION IS MAY IS BUILDING SAFETY MONTH. I'D LIKE TO CALL FORWARD SELSO MATA. OUR CONTINUING EFFORTS TO ADDRESS CRITICAL SAFETY ISSUES IN CONSTRUCTION THAT AFFECT OUR CITIZENS IN EVERYDAY LIFE IN NATURAL DISASTERS ASSURES US THAT OUR STRUCTURES ARE SAFE AND SOUND. WELCOME, SELSO. BUILDING SAFETY MONTH, WHEREAS THE CITY OF PLANO IS COMMITTED TO RECOGNIZING THAT O GROWTH AND STRENGTH DEPENDS ON THE SAFETY AND ESSENTIAL ROLE OF HOMES, BUILDINGS, AND INFRASTRUCTURE PLAY, BOTH IN EVERYDAY LIFE AND WHEN DISASTERS STRIKE. WHEREAS MODERN BUILDING CODES INCLUDE SAFEGUARDS TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC FROM HAZARDS, SUCH AS HURRICANES, SNOWSTORMS, TORNADOES, WILDLAND FIRES, FLOODS, AND EARTHQUAKES. AND WHEREAS EACH YEAR IN OBSERVANCE OF BUILDING SAFETY MONTH, THE CITY OF PLANO IS ASKED TO CONSIDER THE COMMITMENT TO PROVING BUILDING SAFE, RESILIENCE IN ECONOMIC INVESTMENT AT HOME AND IN THE COMMUNITY AND TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE ESSENTIAL SERVICES PROVIDED TO ALL OF US BY LOCAL BUILDING AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS IN PROTECTING LIVES AND PROPERTY. NOW, THEREFORE, I JOHN B. MUNS, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PLANO, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM MAY 2023 AS BUILDING SAFETY MONTH IN THE CITY OF PLANO, TEXAS, AND I DO THEREBY ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO JOIN ME AND THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL IN COMMENDING OUR DEDICATED STAFF IN THEIR VIGILANT EFFORTS TO UPHOLD BUILDING CODES TO ENSURE PLANO REMAINS A CITY OF EXCELLENCE. CONGRATULATIONS. >> THANK YOU. (APPLAUSE) >> LET ME SEE HERE. BUILDING SAFETY MONTH IS A NATIONAL CAMPAIGN THAT TAKES PLACE IN MAY, SO WE'RE A LITTLE BIT AHEAD OF THE GAME, TO RAISE AWARENESS ABOUT BUILDING SAFETY. THE CAMPAIGN RE-ENFORCES THE NEED FOR ADOPTION OF UP-TO-DATE BUILDING CODES TO HELP US BUILD SAFE, SUSINABLE STRUCTURES FOR HOMES AND BUSINESSES. AND SO WE THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR THIS PROCLAMATION, AND COUNCIL, AND THE SUPPORT FOR BUILDING SAFETY MONTH. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. APPRECIATE ALL YOUR WORK. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT. (APPLAUSE) NOW IT'S MY PLEASURE TO FINALLY GIVE THE OATH OF OFFICE TO A POTENTIAL FUTURE COMMISSIONER WITHIN THE NEXT 30 SECONDS. SO I'D LIKE TO INVITE BILL LISLE DOWN. >> YAY! (APPLAUSE) >> Mayor Muns: BILL, WELCOME, FINALLY. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >> Mayor Muns: I'M GOING TO READ THE OATH OF OFFICE. DO YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT YOU WILL FAITHFULLY EXECUTE THE DUTIES OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF PLANO, STATE OF TEXAS, AND WILL TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY PRESERVE, PROTECT, AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE UNITED STATES AND OF THE STATE AND THE CHARTER OF THE ORDINANCES OF THIS CITY? AND YOU FURTHERMORE SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT YOU HAVE NOT DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY PAID, OFFERED, OR PROMISED TO PAY, CONTRIBUTED, NOR PROMISED TO CONTRIBUTE ANY MONEY OR VALUABLE THING OR PROMISED ANY PUBLIC OFFICE OR EMPLOYMENT AS A REWARD TO SECURE YOUR APPOINTMENT, SO HELP YOU GOD? >> I DO. >> Mayor Muns: GOOD. THAT WAS LONG. BUT IT WAS GOOD. AND CONGRATULATIONS. >> THANK YOU. (APPLAUSE) >> Mayor Muns: THANKS. >> THANK Y'ALL. (APPLAUSE) >> Mayor Muns: AND FINALLY, FOR THOSE WHO HAVE SERVED US SO WELL, WE WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU, SO I'D LIKE TO CALL UP ANDRE -- I'M GOING TO DO MY BEST. ANDRE LAPEYROLERIE. >> LAPEYROLERIE. >> Mayor Muns: OH, SO FAR AWAY. (LAUGHTER) AND AMIT WARKAD. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE. WE APPRECIATE IT SO MUCH. AMIT, HERE IS YOURS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU'VE DONE FOR US AND THE GRATITUDE IS A SMALL APPRECIATION, BUT WE THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU. (APPLAUSE) >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST. >> COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST. THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER TH 30 TOTAL MINUS ON ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. THE COUNCIL MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS, BUT MAY RESPOND WITH FACTUAL OR POLICY INFORMATION. THE COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. WE DO HAVE A FEW SPEAKERS THIS EVENING. THE FIRST ONE IS SHARON OVERALL. >> NUISANCE OR DANGEROUS? DOES IT MATTER? NO ONE HAS THE RIGHTS TO PUT CHEMICALS INTO MY BODY OR ON TO MY PROPERTY, PERIOD. SMOKERS' RIGHTS? THAT IS B.S. THE RIGHT OF THE PERSON TO NOT HAVE TO PUT UP WITH ANOTHER PERSON'S BAD HABITS IS ALL THAT MATTERS. THE ARGUMENT THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SMOKING OVER 100 YEARS IS NOT A GOOD ARGUMENT. THE ARGUMENT THAT THEY ARE SMOKING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY DOESN'T MATTER. THE S LEAVES THE PRIVATE PROPERTY. WHEN WE LIVED IN THE EARLY 1930s FARMHOUSE, WE WERE EXPOSED TO A LOT OF CIGARETTE SMOKE. NO BEDROOM DOORS WERE SHUT. THE PHARMACIST USED TO SELL MY MOTHER (INDISCERNIBLE) WITHOUT A PRESCRIPTION ALL THE TIME BECAUSE THE FOUR OF US CHILDREN WERE ALWAYS GETTING BRONCHIAL INFECTIONS OR COLDS. IT WASN'T DOORS. AS A CHILD AT ABOUT AGE 7 OR 8, I REMEMBER DREAMING OF A DAY WHEN I DID NOT HAVE TO PUT UP WITH CIGARETTE SMOKE, SHORTLY TER I NEARLY DIED FROM SECOND HAND CIGARETTE SMOKE, LAID UP IN BED TWO WEEKS WITH BRONCHIAL PNEUMONIA. I TOLD MY FATHER HE CAUSED THE ILLNESS, BUT HE SAID IT WAS IN MY HEAD. I WANTED TO MARRY A POLITICIAN SECOND-HAND SMOKE. I LATER TO- LEARNED I DIDN'T WANT TO MARRY A POLITICIAN BUT STILL WANT LAWS TO END THIS. I KNEW THEN AND KNOW NOW THAT THE SMOKER'S RIGHTS ENDS THE MOMENT THOSE TOXIC CHEMICALS CAUSE HARM. I AM SCARED TO DEATHHATNE OF MY CLOSE NEIGHBORS WILL MOVE AND A SMOKER WILL MOVE IN NEXT DOOR. I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO LIVE IN FEAR. IT IS BAD ENOUGH IF I WALK LATER IN THE MORNING AND AM ASSAULTED WITH CIGARETTE SMOKE FROM A PERSON SMOKING IN HIS BACKGROUND. I NEVER SEE HIM BUT I'M ASSAULTED WITH HIS CIGARETTE SMOKE AND HAVE TO COVER MY MOUTH AND NOSE UNTIL I'M OUT OF HIS RANGE. HE CAN GO INSIDE AND SMOKE AND LEAVE HIS NEIGHBORS IN PIECE. YOUR JOB IS TO PASS LAWS WHERE YOUR CITIZENS ARE PROTECTED FROM UNNECESSARY CHEMICALS AND REATS. WHETHER YOU BELIEVE IT IS A DANGER OR A NUISANCE, THE NONSMOKER HAS THE RIGHT TO CLEAN AIR. THE SMOKER IS A PERPETRATOR OF THE NUISANCE AND IS DANGEROUS. NAME ONE OTHER CARCINOGENIC CHEMICAL YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH PUTTING IN THE BODY OF ANOTHER PERSON WITHOUT GOING TO JAIL. BAN SMOKING ON ALL CITY-OWNED PRPERTY. PASS A NUISANCE LAW THAT CIGARETTE SMOKE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY CANNOT ENTER ADJACENT PROPERTY. THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS STEVEN GRIFFING. >> MY NAME IS STEVE GRIFFING, A RESIDENT OF PLANO AND LIVING IN THE AREA AROUND CUSTER AND LEGACY. AND I JUST WANTED TO -- I'M GOING TO BE VOTING SOON HERE, AND I WANT TO MAKE AN INFORMED VOTE FOR THIS ELECTION AND SUBSEQUENT ELECTIONS. SOMETHING THAT'S CONCERNED US IN AT AR, YOU MIGHT THINK, IS OUR DEVELOPMENT THERE AT, YOU KNOW, CALLED WHAT, LEGACY SQUARE AT CUSTER AND LEGACY. WE CALL IT STALLOG 13, BUT THAT MIGHT BE ACTUALLY A LITTLE UNFAIR FOR ARMY BARRACKS. I'VE NEVER SEEN -- I'VE SEEN MILITARY BARRACKS THAT HAVE MORE STYLE THAN WHAT WAS BUILT THERE. BUT I WANTED TO JUST -- I KIND OF WANTED TO JUST FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME WE DRIVE BY THERE -- AND IT'S NOT US,T'S DOZE AND DOZENS AND DOZENS OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS I'VE TALKED TO. THEY LOOK WITH DISBELIEF. HOW COULD SOMETHING SO BANAL, SO BEREFT OF ANY KIND OF CREATIVITIES, WHOSE FOURTH GRADE GRANDDAUGHTER DESIGNED THIS THING, DECIDED THAT THEY WOULD DROP A WHITEWASHED PLYWOOD BOX IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY OF EX? IT'S NOT EXCELLENT. IT'S UGLY, AND I'M ADDRESSING THE UGLIFICATION OF PLANO. IT'S NOT THE CITY. I REALIZE THE CITY HAS TO BUILD UP AND YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT. DOES IT HAVE TO BE SO UGLY? AND SO I THOUGHT, WELL, MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING, SO I DECIDED TO TAKE THESE PICTURES, AND YOU KNOW, JUST TO MAKE IT SIMPLE, SO THAT YOU COULD SEE THE STRUCTURE, HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN -- IS THAT OKAY TO ASK HOW MANY HAVE SEEN THIS STRUCTURE? AND THEN IT'S JUST A PICTURE OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, LITERALLY THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTIAL AREAS IN PLANO. VERY, VERY TYPICAL. AND YOU KNOW, I SEE PEOPLE DRIVE THROUGH PLANO. THEY SEE THESE BEAUTIFUL BRICK STRUCTURES OF ALL KINDS. AND THEY LOVE THE VARIED INSETS AND WHAT WOULD WE CALL THAT? THE SETBACK FROM THE LOT. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT LITTLE RECESSED COVES AND STUFF AND LITTLE T TOUR -- TURETS STICKING OUT. IT LOOKS NICE. BUT I LOOK AT THIS MONSTROSITY, AND WE LOOK AT EACH OTHER IN DISBELIEF. HOW IN THE WORLD CAN SOMETHING LIKE THIS -- WELL, I'VE GOT TO VOTE HERE. IS IT OKAY? IT MUST HAVE HAD VIGOROUS SUPPORT AMONG THE MEMBERS OF THIS -- I DON'T THINK Y CAN BUILD METHING LIKE THAT WITHOUT THE APPROVAL. AM I CORRECT? PLEASE -- PERHAPS THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT CAN HELP ME. YOU HAVE TO -- CAN YOU -- AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT -- I KNOW THERE WAS A ZONING DISPUTE >> 20 SECONDS. >> I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING. BECAUSE IT'S ZONED MULTI-FAMILY, DO WE HAVE TO PUT STALLOG 13 IN THERE. I'M SORRY. >> Williams: THANK YOU. I CAN'T COUNT HOW MANY CITIZENS SHARE YOUR CONCERNS. >> AND COUNCILMEMBERS. >> Williams: I'M SORRY? >> JUSTEEP GOING. >> Williams: WITH THIS PROJECT, IT WAS BUILT ACCORDING TO PRE-EXISTING ZONING AND AS SUCH, IT NEVER HAD TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. >> WOW. >> Williams: THE BUILDERS DEVELOPED IT ACCORDING TO EVERYTHING THAT WAS ALLOWED UNDER PRE-EXISTING ZONING. THE ONLY THING THEY HAD TO DO WAS GET A PLAT APPROVED, IT WAS AN ADMINISTERIAL -- >> SO THE APPEARANCE OF A STRUCTURE, AS LONG AS IT COMPLIES -- I REALIZE IT WAS ZONED. >> CONVERSATION (MULTIPLE SPEAKERS). >> WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT. IT'S NOT AGENDIZED. >> RIGHT, I UNDERSTAND THAT. >> Mayor Muns: I APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSE. BUT IT WAS APPROVED LONG BEFORE THIS COUNCIL. >> THE ACTUAL AESTHETICS OF THE BUILDING. >> BUT SIR, THERE'S A STATE LAW THAT RESTRICTS OUR ABILITY TO REGULATE THE AESTHETICS. THAT PASSED, I THINK, IT WAS IN 2019. YEAH, SO THE STATE HAS PREEMPTED OUR ABILITY IN MANY WAYS, AND WE CAN GET YOU SOME MORE INFORMATION. >> OKAY. >> IF YOU HAVE HIS E-MAIL. >> I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. SHOULD I GIVE YOU A CALL? >> WE'LL E-MAIL YOU. >> WE'LL GET YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION. >> SO YOU CAN -- AS LONG AS IT COMPLIES WITH THE BASIC ZONING -- AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT ZONING HERE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? I'M TALKING ABOUT HOW UGLY -- YOU CAN COMPLY WITH THE ZONING LAW AND PUT SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL. YOU DON'T HAVE TO -- MY TIME IS UP >> SIR, THE STATE LAW RESTRICTED CITIES A FEW YEARS AGO FROM -- >> AND IT SAYS YOU CAN PUT SOMETHING AS UGLY AS YOU WANT. >> YES, BASICALLY MEET MINIMUM CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS. >> I KNOW THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CANDIDATES FOR THE ASSEMBLY THAT WANT TO CHANGE THAT. >> WE'LL SEND YOU THE INFORMATION. >> OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS PAYTON JACKSON. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. BETSY, LUCY, ANARKA. BETSY, LUCY ANARKA. BETSY, LUCY, ANARKA. THE REASON WHY YOU DON'T KNOW WHO THOSE AMAZING WOMEN ARE IS DUE SOLELY TO WHITE SUPREMACY. AND WITH THE MAJORITY OF DEATHS BEING PREVENTATIVE, I WOULD SAY WE ARE THE FOUNDATION OF A MASTERED INDUSTRY THAT IS STILL KILLING US TODAY. OBs AND NURSES REPLACED MIDWIVES LIKE BIG PHARMA REPLACED HOLISTIC HEALING. AND IF YOU THINK THE OPIOID CRISIS IS BAD, IMAGINE NOT QUALIFYING FOR THE CHILL PILL SIMPLY DUE TO THE COLOR OF YOUR SKIN. THE PROBLEM IS, Y'ALL DON'T THINK THAT BLACK WOMEN FEEL PAIN BECAUSE WHEN YOU SWING, WE GET BACK UP. BUT ANGRY BLACK WOMEN, THE SECOND, WE SWING BACK. I PROMISE YOU I'M NOT MAD. BUT I HAVE EVERY REASON TO BE. AND I NEED ALL OF MY ANTI-ABORTION PEOPLE TO STAND UP BECAUSE THE EXPERIMENTS, THE MODULES THAT MR. SIMS PRACTICED WEREN'T JUST ON THE BODIES OF MY SISTERS. YOU SEE, AFTER HE TREATED THE MOTHERS OF HEALTHCARE, THE MOTHERS OF MODERN GYNECOLOGY LIKE GUINEA PIGS, HE TOOK A STICK AND JABBED IT INTO THE HEAD, HEADS OF NEWBORN BABIES. PLEASE DON'T IGNORE THAT LIKE YOU IGNORE THE MORTALITY RATE. IT HURTS LIKE HELL BEING BLACK IN AMERICA. SO EVERY TIME I GO TO THE DOCTOR AND THEY TELL ME MY PAIN IS NORMAL, THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? LIKE THE GREAT GEORGE WALLACE ONCE SAID, REPARATIONS NOW, REPARATIONS TOMORROW, AND REPARATIONS FOREVER. THANK YOU, COUNCIL. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER -- (APPLAUSE) >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS BILL FRANTZ. >> MAYOR MUNS AND MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BILL FRANTZ, I'M A 26-YEAR RESIDENT OF PLANO. AND I AM HERE TONIGHT TO APPLAUD YOUR EFFORTS TO MEET WITH OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON MAY 8th TO ENACT A TEMPORARY BAN ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS THROUGHOUT OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS BAN IS ESSENTIAL TO ADDRESS THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM, THE DESTRUCTION OF THE SENSE OF SAFETY, SECURITY, AND COMMUNITY THAT IS ST WHEN LONG-TERM RESIDENTS WE KNOW AND TRUST ARE REPLACED BY A REVOLVING DOOR OF STRANGERS AND TRANSIENTS. WE BELIEVE THIS IS A PRAGMATIC, NECESSARY, AND LAWFUL FIRST STEP TO BRING BACK THE PEACE AND SERENITY OF OUR SUBURBAN COMMUNITIES. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME AND CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO THIS URGENT AND IMPORTANT ISSUE. (APPLAUSE) >> THE LAST SPEAKER IS GREG PATELLO. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MY NAME IS GREG PATELLO, A 29-YEAR RESIDENT OF PLANO. IN THE DISCUSSION REGARDING SHORT-TERM RENTALS, I'VE HEARD THE TERM FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, SO I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE INFORMATION SO IT MIGHT MORE ACCURATELY REFLECT REALITY. I RECENT PRESENTED DATA REGARDING THE GAP BETWEEN HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX CALCULATED BY AIR DNA AND REMITTANCES WITH AIRBNB AND VRBO, THE GAP REPRESENTING $1 MILLION OF UNCOLLECTED OCCUPANCY TAX SINCE THE AGREEMENTS SIGNED IN 2019. THE VCA HAS ALLOWED HOSTS TO OPERATE IN ANONYMITY. THE FACT THAT PLANO HAD NO DATA ON WHERE SHORT-TERMS WERE CAN GO BACK TO THIS AGREEMENT. IN COMPLIANCE OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS INTO EXISTING SYSTEMS AND PROCESSES. IF THAT IS INDEED THE PLAN, IT WOULD BE THE MOST EXPENSIVE AND UNPRODUCTIVE PATH FORWARD FOR THE CITY. USING ONE FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT FOR 100 BENCHMARK WITH A FIRM THAT SPECIALIZES IN SHORT-TERM RENTAL COMPLIANCE AND LAST MONTH'S LISTINGS ON AIRBNB AND VRBO, IT WOULD COST $300,000 ANNUALLY FOR EORCEMENT OF GISTRATION, CODES, TAXES, AS WELL AS HANDLING CALLS FOR SERVICES. USING THE REGISTRATION FEE, THE CITY WOULD HAVE A MINIMUM NET OPERATING LOSS OF $75,000 ANNUALLY. MORE REALISTICALLY, PLANO WOULD HAVE THE SAME LOW REGISTRATION COMPLIANCE AND LOSS WOULD BE CLOSER TO $150,000 AND CONTINUE TO INCREASE WITH THE NUMBER OF RENTALS. THERE ARE WAYS TO LOWER COSTS, CERTAINLY LIKE PLANO IS DOING WITH OCCUPANCY TAX BUT ENCOURAGES NONCOMPLIANCE AND FORFEITS REVENUE, ALLOWINGEWER SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT LOWERS THE NUMBER OF FTEs REQUIRED FOR LISTING AND OPERATING EXPENSES TO SOFTWARE LICENSE FEES THAT CAN BE PAID USING OCCUPANCY TAX REVENUE. I HAVE NO FINANCIAL INTEREST IN THIS, JUST AN INTEREST ON HOW MY TAX DOLLARS ARE SPENT. I BELIEVE MOST PLANO CITIZENS WOULD APPROVE THE TAX TO CREATE ZONING ORDINANCES THAT PROTECT THE HEALTH, SAFETY, MORALS, AND GENERAL WELFARE OF OUR COMMUNITY. I ALSO BELIEVE LIKE MYSELF, THEY WOULD STRONGLY OBJECT TO USING TAX DOLLARS T SUBSIDIZE BUSINESSES OF A HANDFUL OF BUSINESSES AND COMPANIES, MOST OF WHICH ARE NOT PLANO CITIZENS, SO THEY CAN MAKE MORE PER MONTH THAT LOWERS MY PROPERTY VALUE, MAKES MY NEIGHBORHOOD LESS SAFE, HURTS PLANO SCHOOLS AND BUSINESSES AND INCREASES COST OF LIVING, WHICH IS ALREADY 13% HIGHER THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE. THEY WOULD BE FRUSTRATED TO LEARN THAT PLANO CREEDED THEIR AUTHORITY TO TAX AND AUDIT THE BUSINESSES, ALL FOR TRANSPARENCY. HOPEFULLY IF YOU USE THIS TERM FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, YOU WILL DO SO MORE APPRRIATELY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING. (APPLAUSE) >> Mayor Muns: LET'S MOVE ONTO THE CONSENT AGENDA. >> THE CONSENT AGENDA. THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NONCONTROVERSIAL. ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL DISCUSSION BY A COUNCIL MEMBER, THE CITY MANAGER OR ANY CITIZEN. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS. >> MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA EXCEPT FOR ITEM C AS IN CHARLIE. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM C. PLEASE VOTE. COUNCILMAN SMITH, TRY IT ONE MORE TIME. >> Smith: OOPS. >> Mayor Muns: YOU PUSHED ON YOUR SPEAKER. (LAUGHTER) THAT'S ALL RIGHT. MOTION PASSES 8-0. ITEM C. >> ITEM C, RFB NUMBER 2023-2009-AC FOR A TWO-YEAR CONTRACT WITH THREE AUTOMATIC ONE-YEAR RENEWALS FOR LIVING SCREEN MAINTENANCE FOR PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT TO CROUTHERS LANDSCAPE MANAGEMENT PRRTED 308 CONSTRUCTION LLC DOING BUSINESS AS 308 SOLUTIONS GROUP AND THE DAVEY TREE EXPERT COMPANY IN THE ESTIMATED ANNUAL AMOUNT OF $127,600 AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS. >> RON SMITH HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU, DR. I PULLED THIS OFF THE AGENDA BECAUSE I'D ASKED QUESTIONS AND OBVIOUSLY PARKS AND RECREATION PROVIDED GREAT INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO THAT ABOUT HOW WE DECIDED TO UTILIZE AN OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR FOR THIS WORK RATHER THAN DOING IT IN HOUSE. AND YOU KNOW, HOW WE DETERMINED THAT THAT WAS THE MT COST-EFFECTIVE SOLUTION, AND I RECEIVED BACK SOME INFORMATION MID-DAY TODAY REGARDING THIS AND JUST SO THAT EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME PAGE, THE INFORMATION WHICH I VERY MUCH APPRECIATED, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS INFORMATION, WAS THAT WE BEGAN INTENSIVE TRIMMING OF THE EXISTING LIVING SCREENS LAST YEAR, THAT THAT EFFORT WILL CONTINUE THIS YEAR UTILIZING THE ADDITIONAL SUPPLEMENT THAT WE RECEIVED AND ONCE THE INTENSIVE TRIMMING HAS BEEN COMPLETED, IS THAT THE STAFF RESPONDS WE SHOULD R WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN 90% TO 10% RATIO CONTRACT VERSUS IN-HOUSE AND OTHER INFORMATION. THANK YOU, AGAIN, FOR THIS HELPFUL INFORMATION. SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT TO IMPROVE THE DEPARTMENT'S PRODUCTION IN MAINTAINING THE LIVING SCREENS WAS REQUESTED IN THE '21/'22 OPERATING BUDGET BUT WAS UNFUNDED. AND THEN THERE WERE SOME AMOUNTS ABOUT CONTRACTUAL FUNDING APPROVED IN THE 21/22 BUDGET OF 84,$600 AND $43,000 IN THE 22/23 BUDGET AND THE FUTURE OF INVENTORY LIVING SCREENS IS UNPREDICTED. WE DON'T KNOW WHEN HOAs WILL SUR SURRENDER THEM TO US OR REPLACING THEM WITH BRICKS OR STONES OR SOMETHING. AND SO ANYWAY, AND THEN I HAD SENT BACK SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THROUGH THE BACK AND FORTH, THAT ENDED UP BEING ABOUT 3:00 TODAY. SO THERE WAS NOT A CHANCE FOR A RESPONSE ON THAT. SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS HERE, WHICH WAS THAT THE FIRST WAS THAT THE RESPONSE MENTIONED SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT THAT WAS REQUESTED IN THE LAST BUDGET CYCLE BUT WAS UNFUNDED. AND I JUST WANTED TO ASK IF I'M CORRECTLY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THAT EQUIPMENT WERE TO BE FUNDED AND PERHAPS AN ADDITIONAL COUPLE OF EMPLOYEES WERE HIRED, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO DO THIS WORK IN HOUSE? >> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER. THE SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT WOULD ALLOW US TO TOP THOSE SCREEN WALLS THAT HAVE GONE UNCHECKED FOR SEVERAL YEARS. THERE WOULD BE SOME AREAS WHERE WE STILL, AS A PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, WOULD NOT GO TO BECAUSE OF THE POWER LINES AND THE OTHER OVERHEAD OBSTACLES THAT WE WOULD WANT SPECIFIC CONTRACTORS AND UTILITY CONTRACTORS TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE. BUT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE MORE THAN WHAT WE WERE ABLE TO HANDLE RIGHT NOW WITH THAT PIECE OF SPECIALTY EQUIPMENT. >> Ricciardelli: AND DO WE KNOW HOW MUCH THAT EQUIPMENT WOULD COST? IS IT COST EFFECTIVE TO DO THAT? >> IT'S AN EXPENSIVE PIECE. I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS. WE DID SUBMIT IT LAST YEAR, SO I COULD PULL THAT QUICKLY AND GIVE IT TO YOU TOMORROW. >> Ricciardelli: OKAY. >> BUT IT WAS A BIG, YOU KNOW, SIX-FIGURE-TYPE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. >> Ricciardelli: OH, OKAY. AND THEN I KNOW THAT THE RATIO, AS THE PACKET POINTED OUT, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR MOWING, IS 70% IN-HOUSE, 30% CONTRACTOR. THE RATIO HERE LOOKS 10% IN HOUSE, 90% CONTRACTOR WHICH STRUCK ME AS BEING HEAVY CONTRACTOR. AND THERE'S A PROFIT MARGIN ON THEIR END AND JUST WONDERING IF THAT MAY BE THE MOST COST-EFFECTIVE SOLUTION. SO I WANTED TO SEE WHAT THE REASON FOR THAT ANTICIPATED RATIO IS. >> WE STILL THINK THAT THAT IS THE BEST SOLUTION FOR OUR LIVING SCREENS. WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY FOUR MILES OF LIVING SCREENS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 26, I THINK, OR 24 LOCATIONS WHERE WE HAVE THOSE LIVING SCREENS. WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT TO OUR PARK SYSTEM WHERE WE HAVE A LOT MORE TURF THAT WE MAINTAIN, SO THE RATIO FOR THOSE FEWER LIVING SCREEN LOCATIONS, HIGHER ON THE CONTRACT SIDE, 90%. 10% IS THE GENERAL UPKEEP ONCE THE CONTRACTOR HAS DONE AN AGGRESSIVE PRUNING OF THOSE LIVING SCREENS. WHEREAS THE MOWING IS SOMETHING WE'RE TAKING CARE OF ON A DAILY BASIS FOR ABOUT NINE MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR. SO THERE'S A DIFFERENT RATIO. WE THINK WHAT WE'VE GOT NOW IS A GOOD MIX FOR THE LIVING SCREENS. >> Ricciardelli: OKAY. AND A FOLLOWUP, I UNDERSTAND WE'RE IN A PERIOD OF INTENSIVE MAINTENANCE, INTENSIVE TRIMMING, THAT WILL BE FOLWED UP BY LESS INTENSIVE MAINTENANCE? >> YEAH, OUR LONG-TERM GOAL, WE'RE EVALUATING EVERY LOCATION WE HAVE THESE LIVING SCREENS. WHAT IS HAPPENING IS WE HAVE SOME LIVING SCREENS THAT FALL TO US WHEN A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT WITH AN HOA FALLS OFF THE TABLE. SO THEN WE'VE GOT TO GO IN AND PROVIDE SOME REALLY INTENSIVE WORK ON A LIVING SCREEN THAT HAS GONE UNCHECKED FOR MANY YEARS. WE PREFER TO HAVE A CONTRACTOR DO THAT WHEN IT'S THAT INTENSIVE. BUT ONCE THE SCREEN IS TRIMMED DOWN TO A MORE MANAGEABLE SIZE, WE CAN PERIODICALLY ONCE A YEAR, ONCE EVERY TWO OR THREE YEARS, EVEN, GO IN AND MAKE THOSE SMALLER TRIMMINGS TO KEEP IT IN CHECK AND KEEP IT IN A SUSTAINABLE FORM AND FASHION. BUT WE ARE CONTINUALLY LOOKING AT WHAT IS THE BEST WAY FOR US TO PROVIDE THAT SCREEN, WHETHER IT IS A LIVING SCREEN. WE'VE HAD SOME REALLY GOOD SUCCESS IN THE PAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS REPLACING OLD LIVING SCREENS WITH NEWER LIVING SCREENS, WIT IRRIGATION, PPER LANDSCAPING SO THAT IT DOESN'T GROW OUT OF CONTROL. WE CAN MAINTAIN IT MORE FREQUENTLY. OR WITH A SCREENING WALL. SO THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS THAT ARE ALWAYS IN PLAY, AND WE'RE CONTINUALLY EVALUATING THOSE. >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION. THAT ALL KIND OF COMES TO THE QUESTION -- I GUESS I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND IF WE'RE GOING TO REACH KIND OF A STABILIZED LEVEL OF THE TYPE OF LESS-INTENSE ONGOING MAINTENANCE, THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO DO IN-HOUSE. HOWOULDE END UP WITH THE RATIO OF 10% IN HOUSE, 90% CONTRACTOR? >> THAT'S WHAT WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. >> Ricciardelli: OKAY. >> THAT'S WHAT WE THINK IS GOOD FOR LIVING SCREENS. 90% LIVING SCREENS ON CONTRACT, 10% IN HOUSE. WHEN WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE THE MAJORITY OF OUR SCREENS ARE UNDER CONTROL, THEN THE CONTRACT NUMBER WOULD GRADUALLY GO DOWN AS WE'RE ABLE TO MAINTAIN IT WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT IN HOUSE. >> Ricciardelli: OKAY, GOT YOU. SOUNDS LIKE THE EQUIPMENT IS SIX FIGURES. DO WE HAVE AN ESTIMATE OF HOW LONG THE INTENSE PERIOD OF TRIMMING WILL BE GOING ON? >> I THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSE. A LOT OF THE AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN A PROBLEM WITH THE CONTRACT IN PLACE, AND WE'VE DONE IT THE LAST TWO YEARS. IT'S BEEN EFFECTIVE. WE LIKE THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING. I'D SAY WE'D BE ABLE TO HAVE AN UPDATE IN THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR YEARS TO SEE WHERE WE ARE CITYWIDE WITH THOSE SCREENS THAT HAVE GONE UNCHECKED BY CERTAIN LANDSCAPE AGREEMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SPECIFICALLY THERE'S ACROSS FROM THE NEW COLLIN CREEK MALL DEVELOPMENT ON ALAMO ROAD, THOSE LIVING SCREENS WERE REALLY OUT OF CONTROL. WE'VE DONE INTENSIVE WORK THE LAST TWO YEARS. YOU CAN'T DO IT EVERY YEAR OR YOU RUN THE RISK OF KILLING THE LIVING MATERIAL. SO YOU HAVE TO GO INCREMENTALLY. >> Ricciardelli: OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE, GIVEN THE ONE-TIME COST OF THE EQUIPMENT BEING SIX FIGURES AND THE FACT THAT WE MAD FOR ANOTHER THREE OR FOUR YEARS. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT MAY BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO UTILIZE A CONTRACTOR THAT HAS THIS EQUIPMENT. I'D LOVE TO SEE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE YEARS IF IT'S POSSIBLE, AS WE KNOCK MORE OF THE INTENSIVE MAINTENANCE OUT AND HAVE MORE OF THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE, TO BRING MORE IN HOUSE SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO BE COST EFFECTIVE. I ALWAYS APPRECIATE THE GREAT INFORMATION THAT YOU AND YOUR TEAM PROVIDE. WHETHER IT'S MOWING OR LIVING SCREEN MAINTENANCE OR ANYTHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, ABOUT HOW WE CAN BE COST EFFECTIVE BY BRINGING THINGS IN HOUSE. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. WITH THAT INFORMATION, I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> SECOND THE MOTION. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE ITEM C. PLEASE VOTE. THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES 8-0. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: NEXT ITEM, ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. >> PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO 15 MINUTES PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE MINUTE REBUTTAL, IF NEEDED. REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMONY TIME, WITH THREE MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER. THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY AMEND THESE TIMES AS DEEMED CESSY. NONPUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, LENGTH OF THE AGENDA, AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY, AND MAY INCLUDE A CUMULATIVE TIME LIMIT. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER REQUESTS ARE RECEIVED UNTIL THE CUMULATIVE TIME IS EXHAUSTED. ITEM NUMBER ONE. CONSIDERATION OF AN APPEAL OF THE HERITAGE COMMISSION'S DENIAL OF A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO MAKE STOREFRONT ALTERATIONS AT THE FRONT (WEST) FACADE AT 1422 K AVENUE. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, MIKE BELL, CONFERENCE PLANNING MANAGER IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE A UNIQUE ITEM THAT DOESN'T COME UP OFTEN. IT'S AN APPEAL OF CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT WAS DENIED BY THE HERITAGE COMMISSION. IT'S UNIQUE IN THAT THE HERITAGE COMMISSION DOES NOT OFTEN DENY CAs. WE DON'T OFTEN HAVE APPEALS, THE LAST ONE BEING FIVE OR S YEARS AGO. THIS I THEIRST APPEAL UNDER THE NEW STANDARDS FOR THE DOWNTOWN HERITAGE DISTRICT SINCE IT WAS ADOPTED IN 2016. WE THINK THAT'S A TESTAMENT TO HOW EFFECTIVE THE STANDARDS ARE AND OUR COMMITMENT TO GETTING PEOPLE TO A YES IN APPROVAL CONDITION. GETTING INTO THE SPECIFICS OF TONIGHT, I'LL GIVE YOU KIND OF THE OVERVIEW AND WE'LL START TO UNPACK IT. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1422 K AVENUE LOCATED IN THE DOWNTOWN HERITAGE DISTRICT CURRENTLY OCCUPIED BY McNEILL'SAVERN AND EATERY. THE CERIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS IS REQUESTED TO REPLACE EXTERIOR DOORS. I'LL NOTE THE REPLACEMENT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED. THE DOORS HAVE BEEN REMOVED AND NEW DOORS HAVE BEEN INSTALLED. SO THIS IS SEEKING A RETROACTIVE APPROVAL TO BRING THEM INTO COMPLIANCE. THE CA WAS DENIED BY THE HERITAGE COMMISSION ON MARCH 28th. IT IS LOCATED IN THE DOWNTOWN HERITAGE DISTRICT AND ALSO WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN'S LISTING ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORICAL PLACES, PROPERTY 35. THEY'RE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE MAP. IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS, AS YOU'RE AWARE, PLANO DOES NOT HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF HISTORIC RESOURCES OUT OF A OF 290,000 AND CITY OF 200,000 JOBS, WE HAVE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THAT BEING THE DOWNTOWN AREA. A LITTLE HISTORY OF THIS PROPERTY SPECIFICALLY. IT WAS BUILT IN THE EARLY 1900s. IT'S A VERNACULAR COMMERCIAL STYLE, PROTOTYPICAL FOR THE DOWNTOWN AREA. HISTORICALLY RETAIL COMMERCIAL USES. IT HAS FIVE ADDRESSES ON ONE LOT, WHICH IS UNIQUE. THE FOUR-DOORS YOU SEE ARE 1422 THROUGH 1428 K AVENUE. THERE'S A SEPARATE BUILDING THAT FACES 15th STREET. THE PROPERTY WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS THE ONE OUTLINED IN RED, THE ONE-STORY BUILDING ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PHOTO. A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, THIS PROPERTY DID RECEIVE A CA IN 2019, AND IT WAS A SUBSTANTIAL CA. IT INCLUDED PARTIAL DEMOLITION OF THE PROPERTY THAT FACES 15th STREET. YOU CAN SEE IT THERE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PHOTO. AND THEN THEY WERE CONSTRUCTING A NEW FOUR-STORY ADDITION AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. THAT DID NOT INCLUDE ANY CHANGES TO THE HISTORIC STOREFRONTS. THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS ABANDONED THOSE PLANS AND THE CA HAS SINCE EXPIRED. IN 2022, THE SUITE GOT A NEW TENANT. THE SUITE WAS RENOVATED FOR McNEILL'S TAVERN. THEY DID RECEIVE A BUILDING PERMIT BUT IMPORTANT TO NOTE THE SCOPE DID NOT EXCLUDE EXTERIOR CHANGES. THE WORK WAS DONE WITHOUT NECESSARY APPROVALS. AUGUST AND INFORMED THEM THAT THIS WAS OUT OF COMPLIANCE AND THAT IT MAY AFFECT THEIR TAX EXEMPTION, SO WE WANTED TO BE PROACTIVE WITH THEM AND GET THEM INTO COMPLIANCE AS SOON AS WE COULD. WE DIDN'T HEAR MUCH AFTER THAT, SO WE MET AGAIN WITH THE APPLICANT AND THE OWNER IN NOVEMBER TO DISCUSS OPTIONS TO BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE, AGAIN, WITH THE TAX EXEMPTION DEADLINE LOOMING. THEY DID NOT APPLY FOR THAT BUT SUBMITTED THE CA APPLICATION IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR. THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT INCLUDES REMOVAL OF THE BI-FOLDING ACCORDION-STYLE DOORS THAT YOU SEE ON THE LEFT. THEY WERE WOOD FRAMED WITH GLASS. THEY HAVE ALREADY INSTALLED THE ROLLUP-STYLE DOOR WITH ALUMINUM FRAMING AND GLASS PANES WITH HORIZONTAL PROPORTIONS. THE DOOR DOES OPEN TO CREATE AN OPEN-AIR DINING EXPERIENCE AND UNIQUE AMBIENCE. YOU CAN SEE THAT'S HOW THE DOOR OPERATES. AND THEN UNIQUE IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 1422, BUT THE ACTUAL RESTAURANT OCCUPIES TWO SPACES THAT FUNCTION AS ONE. IT'S 1422 AND 1424. BUT ONLY THE DOOR ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PHOTO IS THE ONE IN QUESTION. AND AS I MENTIONED, THE COUNCIL DOESN'T SEE THESE TYPES OF REQUESTS VERY OFTEN, SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO WALK THROUGH WHAT THE HERITAGE COMMISSION CONSIDERS WHEN THEY REVIEW A CERTIFICATE'S APPROPRIATENESS. IT'S KIND OF A COMMON MISCONCEPTION THAT THE COMMISSION IS PRETTY POLICED, THAT IT'S ABOUT WHAT LOOKS GOOD OR WHAT DOESN'T. THERE IS A METHODOLOGY BUT WHAT IS APPROPRIATE OR NOT AND HOW THE COMMISSION APPLIED TT IN THIS CASE. THERE ARE FOUR STEPS, THE FIRST IS TO DETERMINE THE BUILDING'S SIGNIFICANCE, IS IT HISTORIC OR NOT. TO DO THAT, YOU START WITH THE DATE THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED. WE LOOK AT TWO PERIODS, THE PERIOD OF FOCUS AND THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE. AND IF IT'S BUILT OUTSIDE OF THOSE, IT'S NOT HISTORIC. SO THE TWO PERIODS, IF YOU'RE BUILT IN THAT PERIOD, YOU COULD BE CONSIDERED CONTRIBUTING TO THE DISTRICT. THAT'S A TERM I'LL BE USING. THE DESIGN STANDARDS ARE MEANT TO GIVE MORE OR LESS FLEXIBILITY DEPENDING THE PROPERTY WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WITHIN THE PERIOD OF FOCUS, SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT ARE KEY TO THE -- KEY TO THE STATUS OF THE DISTRICT. BECAUSE OF THAT, IT'S CONSIDERED CONTRIBUTING TO THE DOWNTOWN HERITAGE DISTRICT AND ALSO CONTRIBUTING TO THE NATIONAL REGISTER LISTING. BUT IMPORTANT TO NOTE IS THAT WE HAVE THESE SURVEYS DONE EVERY FEW YEARS, BY THIRD PARTY CONSULTANTS, AND THEY NOTED THAT ALTHOUGH THE STOREFRONT ALTERATIONS ON 1422 DEPART FROM HISTORIC PRECEDENCE, THEY ARE KEY CONTRIBUTOR TO THE DISTRICT, AND WHAT I WANT TO CAUTION ON THAT IS WE THINK THAT THE PROPERTY IS BORDERLINE CONTRIBUTING BASED ON THE ALTERATIONS THAT WERE PRE-EXISTING TO TODAY. SO WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? IT'S A CONTRIBUTING BUILDING. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE MAINTAIN THE KEY CHARACTER DEFINING ELEMENTS THAT VARIES FROM PROPERTY TO PROPERTY, THE ELEMENTS YOU SEE ARE LISTED HERE. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE PRESERVE THOSE ORIGINAL MATERIALS WHERE THEY EXIST, AND SPECIFIC TO THIS BUILDING, WE NEED TO USE CAUTION THAT FUTURE ALTERATIONS DON'T JEOPARDIZE THAT CONTRUTING STATS, AGAIN WE THINK IT'S BORDERLINE. THE NEXT STEP IS TO LOOK AT BUILDING INTEGRITY, ONCE -- IN SHORT, IT IS LOOKING AT THOSE KEY CHARACTER DEFINING FEATURES, IF THEY'RE MOSTLY ORIGINAL, AND GOOD IN CONDITION, CONSIDERED TO HAVE HIGH INTEGRITY, SUBSTANTIALLY ALTERED OR BAD CONDITION, IT'S LOW INTEGRITY, BASED ON WHERE YOU FALL IN THAT RANGE, YOU'RE IN ONE OF FOUR CATEGORIES RANGING FROM INTACT ORIGINAL. YOU CAN MOVE FROM ONE CATEGORY TO ANOTHER. LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY AT 1422, YOU CAN SEE THE TOP LEFT, THE OLDEST PHOTO WE HAVE ON FILE, APPEARS TO BE THE 1950s, AND WHAT THE ORIGINAL STOREFRONT LOOKED LIKE, A BOTTOM LEFT IS A PHOTO FROM 1980s, YOU CAN SEE THE STOREFRONT HAD BEEN ALTERED PROBABLY TO MODERNIZE IN THE MID CENTURY, AND THAT STAYED THAT WAY UNTIL THE MID 2000s, STOREFRONT'S MOSTLY THE SAME WITH THE CHANGE IN CANOPY, KELLY'S EAST SIDE OCCUPIED THE SPACE AND BUILT THE CANOPY, THE OUTDOOR SEATING AND CONSTRUCTED THE DOORS, THE WOOD DOORS THAT YOU CAN SEE IN THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT. THE INTEGRITY FOR 1422 IT DOES MAINTAIN SOME ORIGINAL MATERIALS BRICK CONSTRUCTION, PORTIONS OF THE OPENING HAVEN'T CHANGED, BUT IT DOES HAVE THOSE NONHISTORIC ALTERATIONS MENTIONED IN THE SURVEY, THE DOORS, WINDOWS AND THE CANOPY, WHAT THIS MEANS IS IT'S THE MODERATELY ALTERED CATEGORY. BECAUSE THOSE PREVIOUS DOORS IS NOT ORIGINAL, THEIR PRESERVATION IS NOT CRITICAL TO THE BUILDING. THAT IS NOT A CONCERN IN THIS CASE, BUT IDEALLY, THE REPLACEMENT DOORS WOULD IMPROVE THE INTEGRITY THAT THE BOTTOM LINE KIND OF SIDEWAYS MOVEMENT, NOT REDUCE THE INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING, SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. STEP 3 IS TO LOOK AT THE USE, WHAT'S THE DESIRED USE OF THE PROJECT, THE BEST ONE IS ALWAYS WHAT ITS WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR, BUT THE STANDARDS ARE INTENDED TO BE ADAPTED AND FLEXIBLE TO ALLOW PROPERTIES TO STAY IN USE, THE BEST WAY T PRESERVE IS BUILDING IS USE IT AND NOT LET IT GO VACANT, FOR THIS PROPERTY, BAR RESTAURANT IS APPROPRIATE BASED ON ITS HISTORY AND LOCATION. DUE TO THE LACK OF ORIGINAL MATERIALS, WE ALSO THINK THAT USE OF THE DOOR TO CREATE THAT OPEN AIR DINING EXPERIENCE IS APPROPRIATE. WE DON'T HAVE THE ORIGINAL STOREFRONT, AND THAT IS A FUNCTIONAL ADAPTATION THAT MAKES THE BUILDING FLEXIBLE. HOWEVER, WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT PROPORTIONS OF THE STOREFRONT OPENING ARE HISTORIC, SO WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THE OPENING WIDENED OR CHANGED AT ALL. AND THEN THE LAST STEP IS CHOOSING THE APPROPRIATE TREATMENT STRATEGY, SO TAKING THE FIRST THREE STEPS, YOU CAN CHOOSE WHO IS THE APPROPRIATE STRATEGY HERE, VARIES FROM BUILDING TO BUILDING BASED ON THE INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION, BASICALLY THEY'RE FIVE STEPS AND THEY'RE IN A PREFERRED ORDER AS LISTED HERE, THE FIRST IS TO PRESERVE, IF YOU HAVE AN ORIGINAL MATERIAL, KEEP IT AS IS. YOU DON'T HAVE AN ORIGINAL IN THIS CASE, THAT DOESN'T APPLY, THE SECOND IS TO REPAIR, IF IT'S ORIGINAL, BUT IT'S DETERIORATED, THE INTENT IS TO REPAIR IT BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL CONDITION, AGAIN, THAT DOESN'T APPLY IN THIS CASE. MOVING ON THE THIRD PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO RECONSTRUCT IT, SO IF IT'S MISSING ENTIRELY, AS IT IS IN THIS CASE, YOU WOULD RECONSTRUCT IT FROM THE APPROPRIATE EVIDENCE, THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WE SHOWED BEFORE. THAT WOULD BE THE PREFERRED OPTION IN THIS CASE. BUT THERE ARE OTHER ALTERNATIVES YOU COULD REPLACE, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE, WHICH IS NOT THE CASE HERE, BUT YOU COULD REPLACE WITH A SIMPLIFIED INTERPRETATION OF THE ORIGINAL, WHICH HAS BEEN DONE IN OTHER LOCATIONS IN DOWNTOWN, YOU CAN DO A COMPATIBLE ALTERATION IF, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T -- AS LONG AS IT MINIMIZES THE IMPACT TO ORIGINAL FEATURES AND DISTINGUISHES NEW FROM ORIGINAL IS ANOTHER POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE. IN THIS CASE, WE WOULD IDEALLY LIKE TO SEE THE SITE RECONSTRUCTED BASED ON THE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE, BUT WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT'S REALLY NOT THE SCOPE OF THE PERMIT HERE, WE'RE NOT DOING A FULL-ON REHABILITATION, SO WE THINK THAT AN OPEN AIR ADAPTATION IS AN ACCEPTABLE ALTERNATIVE, SO LONG AS IT MEETS THE STANDARDS OF THE DISTRICT, AND WE AGREE WITH THE INTENT OF CREATING THAT DINING EXPERIENCE. LOOKING AT SPECIFIC STANDARDS OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA, SOME GUIDANCE IS THAT IT'S TO AVOID CONFUSING MIXES OFTYLER PERIODS THAT AFFECT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE PROPERTY. STAFF ANALYSIS, THE ROLL UP DOOR DOES CREATE A MIX OF STYLES FROM THE CONTEMPORARY STYLES AND PORTIONS THAT ARE NOT OFTEN SEEN IN THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT. I WANT TO NOTE, THOUGH, THAT THE ROLL-UP DOOR IN ITSELF IS NOT NECESSARILY A PROBLEM, IT WOULD BE -- IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE ON A BUILDING THAT HAD A AUTOMOTIVE USE FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE THEY HAD ROLL UP DOORS, THIS WOULD BE A VERY APPROPRIATE APPLICATION IN THIS SITUATION. WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND IS A SLIDING OR A HINGED DOOR THAT WHEN FULLY CLOSED REPLATESHE RESTORED STOREFRONT. ALSO GOES ON TO SAY THE MINI STOREFRONTS IN DOWNTOWN HAVE COMPONENTS SEEN ON COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, THIS REPETITION IS -- CREATES THIS UNITY ALONG THE STREET THAT IS WORTH PRESERVING. OUR ANALYSIS THE PROPOSED HORIZONTAL PROPORTIONS AND MULTI-GLASS PANELS, ALUMINUM FRAMES, CONTEMPORARY IN OTHER BUILDINGS ON THE BLOCK, AND THIS BREAKS THAT REPUTATION ALONG K AVENUE, AND I'LL SHOW YOU THAT PHOTO IN A SECOND, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT REPUTATION ISN'T TOTALLY OBVIOUS STANDING ON THE STREET, THERE IS A CANOPY, A DING AREA, A TREE IN FRONT, IT IS HARD TO SEE THAT REPETITION JUST PASSING BY IN YOUR CAR. BUT YOU CAN'T SEE THESE ARE THE TWO PROPERTIES TO THE LEFT, AND THE TWO PROPERTIES TO THE RIGHT. GENERALLY THEY MAINTAIN THE SAME CHARACTERS FOUND THROUGH MOST OF DOWNTOWN, HAVE A CENTRAL DOOR, A STOREFRONT WINDOW ON EITHER SIDE, GENERALLY VERTICAL PROPORTIONS IN THOSE OPENINGS. AND THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THE DESIGN REPLACEMENT IF IT REFLECTS THE SCALE AND PROPORTION OF THE TRADITIONAL PLANO STOREFRONT. AGAIN, THI HORIZONTAL PROPORTIONS ARE THE KEY IN THIS ONE, BECAUSE THAT ROLL-UP DOOR IS NOT TYPICAL IN PLANO STOREFRONT, THEY WOULD TYPICALLY BE DIVIDED IN THE DOORS AND WINDOWS, VERTICAL PROPORTIONS, FRENCH, BIFOLDING DOORS THAT HAVE BEEN USED ELSEWHERE IN THE DISTRICT WOULD BE A MORE APPROPRIATE APPLICATION TO MAINTAIN THAT OPEN AIR EFFECT. TO SUMMARIZE THE ISSUES, AGAIN, THE BUILDING IS CONTRIBUTING BUT HAS LOST SOME OF THAT INTEGRITY DUE TO ALTERATIONS OVER THE YEAR, WE URGE CAUTION THAT ANY FUTURE ALTERATIONS NOT REDUCE THE INTEGTY AND JEOPARDIZE THE CONTRIBUTING STATUS OF THE PROPERTY. AGAIN, THOSE PREVIOUS DOORS WERE NOT HISTORIC, SO THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY THE CONCERN HERE, BUT WE WANT THE REPLACEMENT DOORS TO MEET THE DESIGN STANDARDS, IDEALLY RECONSTRUCTION WOULD BE THE PREFERRED TREATMENT HERE, BUT A CONTEMPORARY INTERPRETATION COULD ALSO BE APPROPRIATE IF IT MEETS THE PROPORTIONS IN THE REPETITION AS DESCRIBED. SINCE THE HERITAGE COMMISSION DOESN'T HAVE A VIDEO LIKE PLANNING AND ZONING, I'M GOING TO RECAP THE DISCUSSION AT COMMISSION, IT IS OUTLINED IN THE REPORT PVIDEIN THE PACKET, AFTER STAFF PRESENTATION, THE APPLICANT DID STATE THAT THE ACCORDION DOORS WERE IN BAD CONDITION, THEY WEREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE SAVED, THEY WERE NOT AWARE THE CA WAS REQUIRED, THE BUILDING ORDER DID NOT INFORM HIM, NOR DID HIS CONTRACTOR, HE BELIEVES THE ROLL-UP DOORS CREATE THAT DINING EXPERIENCE AND PROMOTE HIS BUSINESS, POSITIVE COMMENTS, HE OWNS SEVERAL RESTAURANTS WITH ROLL-UP DOORS AND THEY'RE ALL VERY SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE OF THAT CONCEPT, AND HE DOESN'T BELIEVE THE DOOR DISTRACTS FROM THE HISTORIC CHACTER. SOME QSTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION TO THE APPLICANT WAS DO YOU HAVE OTHER RESTAURANTS THAT USE THIS STYLE OF DOOR AND ARE THEY IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS. AGAIN, THE ANSWER, HE DOES HAVE RESTAURANTS THAT USE THESE DOORS BUT THEY'RE NOT LOCATED IN HISTORIC DISTRICTS, THE COMMENT IS THAT THE BUILDING LOOKS GENERALLY VERY APPEALING, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THE OWNER DIDN'T INFORM HIM OF A REQUIREMENT OF GETTING A CA. AGAIN, THE APPLICANT STATED THAT THE DOOR HAD ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED, THE MONEY HAD BEEN SPENT, IT WAS HIS INTENT TO SEE THIS PROCESS THROUGH THE APPEALS. SOME QUESTIONS FROM COMMISSION TO STAFF, SOME OF THESE YOU MAY BE THINKING YOURSELF IS WAS STAFF ABLE TO SIT DOWN WITH THE APPLICANT AND GO THROUGH THE OPTIONS? AGAIN, WE ALWAYS TRY TO DO THAT, WE TRY TO GET THEM TO A YES, BUT IN THIS CASE IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR THEY WERE INTENT ON SEEKING APPROVAL FOR WHAT HAD ALREADY BEEN INSTALLED. HOW DID THIS GO THROUGH YOU WITHOUT PERMITTING? THE SCOPE OF THAT PERMIT DIDN'T INCLUDE THE EXTERIOR LIMITATIONS. THE CA WOULD HAVE BEEN REQUIRED AT THAT POINT. IF IT'S DENIED, CAN THEY CHOOSE NOT TO REPLACE IT? AT THAT POINT IT'S A ZONING VIOLATION, SO THERE IS ENFORCEMENT STEPS THAT COULD BE TAKEN. IF IT'S APPROVED WITH THE PROPERTY AUTOMATICALLY LOSE CONTRIBUTING STATUS? THIS IS A TRICKY QUESTION, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AUTOMATIC. AGAIN, WE HAVE THIRD PARTY COMPANIES COME THROUGH EVERY FEW YEARS AND THEY GIVE US THEIR THIRD PARTY RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHETHER THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING OR NOT. WE THINK THAT IT COULD LOSE THE STATUS BASED ON ITS APPROVAL, BUT IT'S NOT GUARANTEED. WOULD THE LOSS AFFECT THE PROPERTY OWNER OR THE APPLICANT, IN THIS CASE IT WAS THE PROPERTY OWNER, THEY'RE THE ONES ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE THE TEXAS CREDITS FROM THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. HOW WOULD THE LOSS OF CONTRIBUTING STATUS IMPACT THE DISTRICT OVERALL. THIS IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THINGS RADICALLY, IF YOU PIECE THESE OVER TIME, YOU START TO SEE THE SUM OF ALL THIS BECOME AT SOME POINT THE DISTRICT IS IN JEOPARDY. AND IS THERE ANYTHING TO MAKE THE ROLL-UP DOOR WORKABLE? WE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS A LOT, IN OUR OPINION THERE IS REALLY NOT A LOT TO BE DONE TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING DOOR. FOLLOWING THOSE QUESTIONS, THEY HAD DISCUSSION, I THINK A KEY POINT WAS THEY FELT THE PROPERTY OWNERHOULD HAVE INFORMED THEM OFHE REQUIREMENTO GET A CA, AGAIN, HEY HAD GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS IN 2019. AND WERE AWARE OF THE REQUIREMENTS. THE PROPERTY OWNER IS THE ONE IMPACTED BY THE LOSS OF THE CONTRIBUTING STATUS, AND THAT MIGHT BE INCENTIVE FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER TO PARTICIPATE IN REPLACING THE DOOR. AND THERE WAS CONCERNING THAT THE PRECEDENT WOULD BE SET IN ALLOWING THE ROLL-UP DOORS AND HOW THAT WOULD AFFECT THE REST OF THE DISTRICT. TO SUM UP, THE HERITAGE COMMISSION VOTED-0 TO DENY THE REQUEST FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS, THEY FELT THE STYLE, DESIGN AND MATERIALS DIMINISHED THE HISTORIC INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING. THE DR DID NOT MEET THE DOWNTOWN STANDARDS. IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE TO ALTERATION. THE DOOR JEOPARDIZES THE STATUS OF CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE. INFLUENCE FUTURE ALTERATIONS AND THEIR CONTRIBUTING STATUS, AGAIN, THE ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL, SO YOUR OPTIONS TONIGHT ARE TO GRANT THE APPEAL OR TO UPHOLD THE DECISION OF THE HERITAGE COMMISSION, WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI. >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU, MAYOR, THANK YOU, FOR THAT GREAT PRESENTATION, MIKE. I CERINLY SYMPAIZE TH THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNER LIKE MR. MCGILL. I ALSO THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN OUR DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL PROPERTY OWNERS ARE TREATED FAIRLY. IF I'M UNDERSTANDING YOU CORRECTLY, IF -- IF THIS TYPE OF ALTERATION WERE TO HAPPEN AT EVERY PROPERTY THAT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE IN THE DOWNTOWN HERITAGE DISTRICT, WOULD WE BE -- THE DISTRICT WOULD BE JEOPARDIZED POTENTIALLY NATIONAL REGISTER STATUS WOULD BE JEOPARDIZED, AM I UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY? >> THAT'S CORRECT. I DON'T WANT TO OVERSELL IT, BUIS I A RISK, AGAIN, THIRD PARTIES GIVE US THE RECOMMENDATION, AND IF ENOUGH BUILDINGS ARE NOT CONTRIBUTING, IT DOESN'T MEET REQUIREMENTS FOR HISTORIC DISTRICT. >> Ricciardelli: OKAY. AND YOU ALSO ALLUDED TO -- TO THE TAX INCENTIVE PROGRAM, YOU KNOW, FOR HERITAGE TAX EXEMPTIONS. I THINK YOU SAID THAT FOR THIS PAST YEAR, AFTER THE ALTERATION WAS MADE, THIS PROPERTY DID NOT APPLY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE TAX EXEMPTIONS, BUT PRIOR TO THAT HISTORICALLY, HAS THE PROPERTY RECEIVED TAX EXEMPTIONS THROUGH THE HERITAGE TAX EXEMPTION PROGRAM. >> YES, THEY HAVE. IN 2022, THEY WERE DENIED FOR NOT HAVING MADE THEIR REPAIRS, THEN THEY CHOSE NOT TO REAPPLY AGAIN TO THE PROGRAM THIS YEAR. >> Ricciardelli: OKAY. AND JUST TO GET A FEEL FOR HOW MUCH PLANO TAXPAYERS HAVE INVESTED IN THE HERITAGE TAX EXEMPTION PROGRAM, AS I RECALL TYPICALLY WHEN WE APPROVED THAT LIST, IT'S SOMEWHERE OVER $100,000 PER YEAR OF TAX EXEMPTIONS IN THE DOWNTOWN HAIR TIJERINA DISTRICTIS TT CORRECT. >> I DON'T KNO THE NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I'M SORRY. >> Ricciardelli: I COULD BE WRONG ABOUT THAT, THAT WAS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, TOO, I FEEL LIKE THAT LIST COMES IN FRONT OF US ONE YEAR, AND THAT IS MAYBE BALLPARK WHAT THE EXEMPTIONS COST, AND DO Y'ALL REMEMBER HOW MANY YEARS THAT PROGRAM HAS BEEN GOING ON? I KNOW IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. >> SINCE THE '80s. >> Ricciardelli: SINCE THE '80TH, SO I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT PLANO TAXPAYERS HAVE INVESTED A VERY SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY THROUGH TAX EXEMPTIONS AND PRESERVING THE DOWNTOWN HERITAGE DISTRICT. >> IT'S -- AGAIN, IT'S A TAX EXEMPTION YES. >> Ricciardelli: THE OTHER TAXPAYERS WHO ARE -- YOU KNOW, WHO ARE OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO KICK IN A LITTLE MORE IF THERE ARE TAX EXEMPTION GIVEN, SO IT'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT. OKAY. WELL, FINALLY, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S VERY UNFORTUNATE AS THE HERITAGE COMMISSION EXPRESSED THAT NOBODY INFORMED THIS LESSEE OF THIS PROPERTY THAT A CA WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THIS TYPE OF A PROJECT. I KNOW THAT THE -- THE OWNER DID NOT INFORM THEM, THEIR CONTRACTOR DID NOT INFORM THEM. DO WE TYPICALLYINDUT I THERE'S A SALE OF PROPERTY IN THE DOWNTOWN HERITAGE DISTRICT OR IF PROPERTY IS LEASED, AND IF WE DON'T, IS THERE ANY WAY TO REQUIRE THAT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE PROACTIVE ABOUT INFORMING NEW OWNERS AND LESSEES OF REQUIREMENTS. >> WE DO THAT, WE DO TRY OUR BEST TO LEARN ABOUT THOSE, WE DON'T CATCH THEM ALL. >> Ricciardelli: SURE, SURE. >> TYPICALLY WE SEE A NEW TENANT COMES IN FOR A SIGN, THE SIGN REQUIRES A PERMIT AND A CA, WE ARE WORKING WITH MICHELLE HAWKINS TBE A LITTLE MORE PROACTIVE IN REACHING INTO THE NEW TENANTS AS THEY COME ONLINE. >> Ricciardelli: AND FINAL QUESTION, DO WE KNOW DOLLAR AMOUNT, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH HAS BEEN INVESTED IN THIS NEW ROLL-UP DOOR? >> I THINK HE SAID A NUMBER AROUND 9,000, BUT THE APPLICANT MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT BETTER. >> Ricciardelli: OKAY, WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT INFORMATION. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER GRADY? >> Grady: JUST A FEW QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE FROM STAFF, I'M TRYING TO GET A LITTLE BIT OF A TIME LINE. IT APPEARS THAT FROM APPRAISAL DISTRICT RECORDS AT THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED IN ABOUT 1993 FROM JLM ENTERPRISES WHICH SEEMS TO BE A SIMILAR INITIALS TO THE CURRENT OWNER, I HOPE I'M PRONOUNCING THE NAME CORRECTLY. IS THAT A -- IS THAT -- SIMPLY TRANSFERRED THE PROPERTY FROM ONE BUSINESS ENTITY ON TO ANOTHER, OR WAS THAT AN ACTUAL NEW PURCHASE SALE? >> I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS OF THAT. I KNOW IT'S THE SAME OWNER, MR. MARSH, FROM 2019. >> OKAY. >> YES. >> DO WE KNOW WHEN JLM PURCHASED THE PROPERTY? >> DO YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION? >> NO, I DON'T, BUT I THINK WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MS. LA MARSH, EVER SINCE I'M HERE, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE COMPANY, SHE'S ALWAYS BEEN OUR PROPERTY OWNER CONTACT. >> Grady: OKAY, SO IT WOULD BE PRIOR TO, SAY, 1980? >> I CAN'T SAY FOR THAT, I'M NOT SURE. >> Gra: OKAY. FROM THE PHOTOGRAPHS THAT WERE FURNISHED, IT APPEARS THAT THE STOREFRONT WAS MODIFIED SOMEWHERE AFTERNOON 1950. I THINK YOU HAVE THAT ONE PHOTOGRAPH LABELED AS UNKNOWN, BUT I BELIEVE THAT YOUR ESTIMATE IS CORRECT, BECAUSE IT -- IN MY OPINION, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THAT IS ABOUT A 1951 PONTIAC CHIEFTON SITTING IN FRONT OF THE STORE. THEN AGAIN IT WAS MODIFIED IN 1980, AND MODIFIED AGAIN IN 1986, AND THEN AGA IN 2003, AND FINALLY IN 2010 TO THE CURRENT MODIFICATION OF THE STOREFRONT. DO I HAVE THAT TIMELINE KIND OF CORRECT. >> SO THOSE ARE THE PERIODS WE HAVE PHOTOS, SO THE CHANGE OCCURRED SOME TIME BETWEEN THE '50s AND 1908, IT STAYED ROUGHLY THE SAME, THE CANOPY CHANGED PRIOR TO 2003, AND WE DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATE, BUT MID 2000s IS WHEN KELLY'S EAST SIDE MOVED IN, ADDED THE CANOPY, THE AWNING, THE OUTDOOR SEATING, IT STAYED THAT WAY FOR MANY YEARS. KELLY'S WAS THERE FOR AWHILE, AND THEN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THEY'VE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF TURNOVER IN TENANTS. >> Grady: IT APPEARS IT WAS MODIFIED IN 1980, THAT WAS PROBABLY A SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATION, THE BRICK FRONTAGE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE CENTRAL DOOR WAS REMOVED AND FULL LENGTH WINDOWS WERE PUT IN, AND THE ACTUAL DOOR WAS MOVED IN ITS LOCATION, AND I ASSUME THAT THERE WAS NO HERITAGE COMMISSION AT THE TIME TO REALLY BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE MODIFICATION? >> THAT'S -- THE HERITAGE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE DID NOT GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL 1979, SO THIS COULD HAVE BEEN PRIOR TO 1980, BUT, AGAIN, THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT WASN'T FORMED UNTIL 2002. >> Grady: OKAY. THEN THE STOREFRONT WAS MODIFIED AGAIN IN 2003 APPROXIMATELY TO AN OPEN AIR STYLE WITH ACCORDION DOORS. WAS FR THERE ANY CONCERN OF THE MODIFICATION IN REMOVING THE THEN-CURRENT STOREFRONT TO AN OPEN AIR ENVIRONMENT WE DON'T HAVE THE RECORD FROM THAT TIME TO STATE IF THERE WAS CONCERN. AGAIN, I THINK THE CONTEXT MATTERS A BIT, IT WAS EARLY 2000s DOWNTOWN REVITALIZING, TRYING TO COME BACK FROM PERIOD OF DESIGN, I THINK THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY GIVEN AT THAT TIME THAN THERE IS TODAY. >> Grady: IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, THERE WASN'T A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT TAKING THE STOREFRONT OFF AND PUTTING ON ACCORDION DOORS AND LEAVING IT AS AN OPEN AIR ENVIRONMENT WHICH WOULD BE A SIGN EVEN THOUGH THE SPACE WAS THE SAME SIZE. >> PURELY SPECULATION ON MY PART, I DON'T HAVE A RECORD TO INDICATE THAT. >> Grady: OKAY. AND KIND OF DOVETAILING ON COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI'S QUESTION, WHEN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT STARTS LOOKING AT THESE THINGS FOR BUILDING PERMITS, DO THEY NOTIFY THE HERITAGE COMMISSION IF THIS DEALS WITH A -- WITH A HISTORICAL STRUCTURE? >> YES, THEY DO. IF THE SCOPE OF THE CHANGES INCLUDES EXTERIOR CHANGES, YES, TYPICALLY WE ARE ALERTED. >>rady: OKAY, THANKS. >> Mayor Muns: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> YES, MAYOR, I'M GIVEN TO UNDERSTAND ANOTHER PROPERTY IN THE AREA, URBAN CREST HAS A ROLL-UP DOOR, I NEVER NOTICED IT, BUT CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHAT MIGHT MAKE THAT DIFFERENT? >> SURE, I ACTUALLY HAVE PHOTOS OF THOSE DOORS. IN THE CASE OF THOSE, THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO LOCATIONS, 1013, AS WELL AS YAASURBAN CREST, THOSE DON'T ROLL UP, TY'RE HINGED AND FOLD-UP, THE YOU ONE ON THE RIGHT IS ACCORDION STYLE, ESSENTIALLY THE SAME FUNCTION, THEY FOLD UP AND NOT ROLL UP, AND THEY ALSO HAVE THE ADDED FUNCTION, SEE HERE THEY ACTUALLY MIMIC THE FLAT CANOPY THAT WOULD TYPICALLY BE SEEN ON HISTORIC STOREFRONT AND THEY SERVE TWO PURPOSES. >> Williams: THEY LOOK MORE VERTICALLY ORIENTED? >> CORRECT. >> Williams: THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER. >> Holmer: A QUICK QUESTION. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, IF THE BUSINESS HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN ANUTO REPA SHOP THAT HAD ROLLING DOORS, THEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN ACCEPTABLE, IT'S BECAUSE OF THE HISTORIC -- >> I THINK YOU COULD MAKE THE CASE, IF THAT'S A GOOD INTERPRETATION OF THE BUILDING AND ITS HISTORIC USE YES. >> Holmer: OKAY, THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: SO WE -- WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO EITHER GRANT THE APPEAL OR CONTINUE WITH THE -- THIS HERITAGE COMMISSION'S DENIAL. >> CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESON? Mayor Muns: PLEASE. PLEASE. >> SO WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL USE FOR THIS BUILDING? >> A DRUG STORE SIGN, AND A LAUNDROMAT, A NUMBER OF COMMERCIAL USES. >> NOT FOR LIKE AUTO REPAIR? >> Mayor Muns: I'M SORRY. WE HAVE THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK. >> IT'S ACTUALLY ANOTHER SPEAKER BESIDES THE APPLICANT, BUT -- IF THE APPLICANT WANTS TO SPEAK, WE CAN ADD HIM TO THE LIST. >> Mayor Muns: WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL? THANK YOU. I APOLOGIZE, I DIDN'T RELIZE YOU WERE UP THERE. >> OH, YEAH. I BROUGHT PHOTOS, YOU GUYS SEEM TO HAVE THEM. I HAVE CURRENT PHOTOS OF -- WE JUST WANTED TO SHARE WHAT THE NEW -- [INAUDIBLE] UMM, MY NAME IS TOM MCGILL, I'M THE CO-OWNER WITH CHRIS O'NEILL, SO YOU CAN SEE IT TOOK MANY, MANY HOURS FOR US TO FIGURE OUT A NAME FOR MCNEIL'S, SO -- WE CAME UP WITH THAT, AND ALL PARTIES WERE HAPPY. AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, I HAD MANY RESTAURANTS, YOU KNOW, THAT I RAN, OPERATED, AND THIS ONE DOWNTOWN BECAME A LITTLE GEM. WE SAW AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME DOWN HERE. WE SAW A VIBE THAT NEEDED TO BE CREATED AND WE WANTED TO CREATE IT AND WE WANTED TO BE A PART OF IT. WE DID OUR HOME WORK. WE TALKED TO ALL THE DIFFERENT DOWNTOWN OWNERS, AND THAT REALLY SOLD US ON DOWNTOWN PLANO WAS EVERY BUSINESS THAT'S DOWNTOWN PLANO IS OWNER OPERATED. THEY'RE HANDS ON. THEY'RE THERE. THEY DON'T HIRE, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE MANAGERS. THEY DON'T HAVE A KID, YOU KNOW, MAKING $40,000 A YEAR, YOU KNOW, RUNNING THEIR PLACE. IT'S THEM. THEY'RE ALL HERE. AND CHRIS AND I, THAT'S WHAT WE DO, I MEAN, WE'RE OWNERS, WE MADE A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT. WE MORTGAGED HOMES, WE MOVED AROUND 401Ks TO PUT THE MONEY DOWN TO MAKE A SPLASH IN DOWNTOWN PLANO. WE'RE ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE VIBE,ND BEFOREE DID THIS, WE DID OUR HOME WORK, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED TO LOCKHARTS AND WE TALKED TO 1418, AND WE TALKED TO VICKERY, AND WE TALKED TO FILL MORE, WE TALKED TO THE OWNERS, AND IT WAS VERY ENCOURAGING, INSPIRING THAT ONE, THE OWNERS WERE THERE, WE WEREN'T TALKING TO A GM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THERE, AND WE WERE TELLING THEM ABOUT US, AND THEY KNEW ABOUT US, AND THEY WELCOMED, YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T REALLY COMPETITION, THEY WERE JUST SAYING IT'S POWER IN NUMBERS. WE NEED TO GET DOWNTOWN GOING. AND SO WE WERE BLESSED THAT WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE 1422. WE HAVE THE BUILDING ITSELF, WE HAVE NOTHING AGAINST OH 0 WE WANTED THE HISTORY. I MEAN, WE WANTED A BUILDING THAT WAS VERY UNIQUE, OLD, AND THAT WE CAN JUST REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM IT. WE WANTED TO KEEP IT THE WAY IT WAS, BUT BRING LIFE INTO THE BUILDING, BRING LIFE ON TO 14th STREET THAT WAS NONESTENT, AND -- OR K AVENUE, AND TURN IT AROUND AND JUST CREATE, YOU KNOW, A GREAT VIBE AND BE, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS-LIKE, BUSINESS-FRIENDLY WITH EVERYBODY. AND THE ONLY -- GETTING INTO OUR PERSONALITIES, WE CAME UP WITH OUR MENU, WE CAME UP WITH WHAT WE WANTED TO DO, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA TO JOIN IN WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE WAS DOING IN DOWNTOWN AND JUST BE PART OF THE CIRCUIT, AND WE WERE VERY SUPPORTIVE WITH ALL THE BUSINESS OWNERS, AND WE DID AL JUST COSMETIC INSIDE. I MEAN THE BRICK BUILDING INSIDE, WE HAVE BLACK AND WHITE PICTURES IN THERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WOOD TABLES, WE CHANGED NOTHING AS FAR AS THAT. BUT THE OUTSIDE, IT'S APPEARANCE, PEOPLE ARE COMING DOWN THE STREET, THEY'RE COMING WITH STROLLERS AND THIS AND THAT, AND THE PLACE NEEDED A FACE LIFT. I MEAN YOU GUYS KEPT ON TALKING EARLIER, WELL, THEY REFURBISHED, THEY CHANGED THIS, THEY CHANGED THIS, PROBABLY THE FACE LIFT OF THAT FRONT WAS PROBABLY CHANGED, YOU KNOW, A DOZEN TIMES, AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO CHANGE IT, WE WANTED TO LEAVE IT, WE INHERITED THE AWNING, WE PUT OUR TABLES OUT THERE, WE PUT FLOWER BOXES, HANGING PLANTS, WE MADE IT BEAUTIFIED, WE MADE IT VERY COMFORTABLE, AN ATTRACTION, PEOPLE COME DOWN, WOW, THIS IS NICE, WHEN THOSE DOORS WERE THERE, THAT WAS PART OF OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR CLEANUP, AND WE HAD A CONTRACT TO COME LOOK AT THE DOORS, AND THEY WERE JUST ROTTED OUT OF THE BOTTOM, THE GLASS WAS OUT, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY WERE COMING IN, IF YOU DATED BACK, THEY WERE JUST SHOT. IT TOOK CHRISND I, YOU KNOW TOGG TO OPEN AND CLOSE THEM, AND THEN THERE WAS -- THEY WERE JUST SHOT. SO WE DID GO TO THE LAND OWNER, WE TALKED TO HER, WE SAID, HEY, WE TOOK CARE OF EVERYTHING IN HERE, YOU GOT TO HELP US WITH THIS, YOU KNOW, SHE GOES WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO, I SAID, WELL, WE WANT TO REPLACE THEM, WELL, FIRST GET ME THREE ESTIMATES FROM CONTRACTORS SAYING THEY NEED TO BE REPLACED. WE DID, THEY HAD NO PROBLEM SIGNING THESE ARE ROTTED, IT'S CHEAPER TO BUILD NEW DOORS THAN TO PUT UP -- YOU KNOW, TO FIX THEM. WHENE LOOKED AT IT, AGAIN, LIKE WE SAID, I HAD IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, ROLL-UP DOOR, AND THEY WERE JUST EASY ACCESS, I THOUGHT THEY LOOKED GOOD, THEY LOOKED GOOD ON THE BUILDING, WE HAD SOMEONE COME IN, THEY DID A PICTURE OF IT TO SEE HOW THE BUILDING WOULD LOOK WITH A ROLL-UP DOOR, A GARAGE DOOR, AND IT LOOKED GREAT. I MEAN, WE THOUGHT DOING THIS FOR FRICKIN' 30 PLUS YEARS, IT TOOK NOTHING AWAY FROM THE BUILDING. WE BROUGHT THAT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE LANDLORD, SHE THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA, SHE SAID, OKAY, WE' DO I SO WE DID, WE GOT A LICENSED CONTRACTOR, WHO WAS REFERRED TO US, AND HAD A GREAT REPUTATION, AND, JOE WILLIS I BELIEVE, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW HIM FROM PLANO, BUT HE CAME, TOOK OVER, AND HONESTLY, FOR OUR PART, WE THOUGHT WE WERE DONE, AS FAR AS GIVE US A QUOTE, HE DID IT, WE GOT FEW ESTIMATES, HE CAME IN RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, BUT HE HAD THE RESUME AS FAR AS DOING THE RIGHT THING, SO WE SAID DO IT. SO NOT THROWING ANYBODY UNDE THE BUS, BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW THAT WE WERE OBLIGATED TO DO ANYTHING ELSE, WE JUST THOUGHT WE WERE PAYING THE BILL, HERE IS YOUR CHECK, AND EVERYTHING IS GOOD, AND WE DID, WE PAID THE BILL, AND HERE IT IS. BT THAT SAID, THAT'S WHEN ALL THIS CAME CRUMBLING DOWN ON US, BUT JUST GETTING BACK TO IT AGAIN, I GET IT, WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE NOTHING. WE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE KNOWING THAT THERE IS A FOUNDATION, YOU KNOW, THAN WATCHES THE BUILDINGS. YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST COMPLIMENT THAT WE GET IS YOU GUYS ARE IN DOWNTOWN PLANO. LIKE, WOW, I MEAN, DOWNTOWN PLANO. AND IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THERE'S HUNDREDS OF LITTLE, YOU KNOW, STRIP MALLS AND CENTERS AND THIS AND THAT, AND PEOPLE SAY, YEAH, I'M FROM PLANO, AND THEY GO WHERE, AND YOU GIVE THEM THE ADDRESS, OH, WHERE IS THAT? WHEN YOU SAY DOWNTOWN PLANO, I MEAN IT'S JUST LIKE EVERYBODY KNOWS DOWNTOWN. THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHERE YOU ARE. YOU KNOW, AND SO IT'S -- IT'S VERY HUMBLING TO BE DOWN HE, AND WE WANTED TO CREATE AND BE PART OF, YOU KNOW, THE SMALL TOWN VIBE. LIKE WE, YOU KNOW, GET ALONG WITH ALL THE OWNERS, WILFORD WE HAVEOUR OWN LITTLE CHATS ANDE WATCH OUT FOR EACH OTHER, AND WE -- WE NOTICE -- WE JUST HAD OUR FIRST ANNIVERSARY THIS PAST SATURDAY, AND I MEAN IT WAS A HIT, IT WAS JUST -- I NEVER SAW SO MANY PEOPLE COME OUT JUST TO SAY, LIKE, THANK YOU. IT WAS JUST -- IT WAS VERY HUMBLING TO SEE. WHEN I SAY THAT, I MEAN, WE DID 177 MENUS, AND WE USUALLY TAKE FOURTEEN DAYS TO DO THAT, AND WE DID IT IN ONE SATURDAY. SO IT WAS PEOPLE TELLING US THANK YOU, YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, ARE GREAT TO BE HERE, BUT WE PLAY AN IMPORTANT PART, BECAUSE AS OWNERS, WHEN I HANG OUT WITH DAVID FROM 1418 AND JEFF FROM LOCKHART'S, WE SEE THINGS EVERY DAY, IF I SEE SOMETHING LAYING IN THE STREET, I PICK IT UP AS WE ARE WALKING ACROSS THE STREET, MANAGERS DON'T. WE DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF PRIDEND RESCT FOR DOWNTOWN. WE TRIED TO CREATE THE VIBE AMONGST ALL OF US, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A COUPLE OF, YOU KNOW, THIS COUPLE WITH THEIR FRIENDS, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, CAME BY AND THEY SAT AT OUR TABLE RIGHT ON THE WALKWAY, THEY BROUGHT OUT MENUS, AND THEY WERE LIKE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE DRINKS, THESE ARE PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN, THEY WANT TO TASTE TEXAS BARBECUE, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THEM TO LOCKHART'S, LOCK HEAR'S DOESN'T HAVE A PATIO, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DAY, GO GET YOUR FOOD, BRING IT HERE, I'LL HAVE YOUR COLD BEERS READY. THEY LOOKED AT ME, ARE YOU SERIOUS? THAT'S WHAT WE DO, WE'RE DOWNTOWN. THE GUY GUYS, OKAY, HOLY CRAP, THAT IS HOW US AS OWNERS GET ALONG, 1418, THEIR COFFEE, WE ACTUALLY PUT IT ON OUR MENU, BECAUSE WE DO BREAKFAST ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, PLEASE COME, GET YOUR FAVORITE COFFEE AT 1418, AND COME HAVE YOUR BACON AND EGGS AT MCNEIL'S, THEY GET A KICK OUT OF IT. ARE YOU SURE? NO, WE DON'T MIND, THAT'S HOW WE ROLL HERE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW WE GET ALONG, SO I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW, AS OWNERS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A PACK, I MEAN -- WE HAVE AN INVESTMENT FOR DOWNTOWN, AND WE WANT TO INVEST IN DOWNTOWN, AND WE WANT TO BUILD IT UP, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO NOTHING AGAINST, YOU KNOW, BREAKIN ANY RULES, WE WANT THE BUILDINGS TO STAY AS IS, BUT GETTING BACK TO WHY WE'RE HERE WITH THE GARAGE DOOR, I'M GOING TOE HONEST, IT JUST NEVER OCCURRED TO ME. I MEAN, WE DID OUR HOME WORK WHERE THE F FACE LIFT OF THAT BUILDING WAS CHANGED MANY TIMES, AND WE WERE LIKE, LIKE YOU GUYS DISCUSSED EARLIER, KELLY'S WALKED IN, I KNOW THEY WERE SUCCESSFUL, THEY CHANGED THE FRONT AND THREW IN THOSE DOORS, NOTHING WAS SAID, THEY LOOKED GOOD. THINGS HAVE CHANGED, SO WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, NOW THAT WE'RE HERE, AND WE'RE AT THIS POINT, WHAT IS WRONG -- I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES, WHAT -- THE DOOR, THE GARAGE DOO WHAT DOES IT DO? WHAT DOES IT TAKE AWAY? I MEAN WHAT IS ABOUT THAT DOR THAT JUST HURTS THE WHOLE AMBIENCE OF THIS BUILDING? AND WE FEEL NOTHING. IF ANYTHING, THE DOOR BRINGS OUT THE BUILDING, IT LETS PEOPLE ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGE IT. BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE FLIP SIDE IS WHEN I WAS TELLING PEOPLE OVER THE LAST SIX WEEKS WHAT I'M GOING THROUGH, THEY'RE LIKE, YOU'RE GOING THROUGH WHAT? I'M LIKE THE DOOR, AND THEY'RE LIKE -- AND I GET THERE IN THE MORNING, IT'S UP, I MEAN THE DOOR I UP FIFTEEN HOURS A DAY, SO IT'S -- WE HAVE HEATERS OUTSIDE, WE HAVE THE AIR CURTAINS FOR THE SUMMERTIME TO KEEP IT, BUT I JUST FEEL THAT THE INVESTMENT WE MADE TO PUT THAT DOOR IN HAD NOTHING AGAINST DOING SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, BEHIND ANYBODY'S BACK. WE DIDN'T -- WE THOUGHT WE WERE DOING RIGHT, WE THOUGHT WE WERE ENHANCING THE BUILDING. I WAS ON OUR TAB. WE DID IT, AND THE GUESTS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT PEOPLE DOWNTOWN, THEY LOVE IT. I MEAN, THEY ENJOY IT. I KNOW WE HAVE A COMMITTEE THAT, YOU KNOW, HAS TO MAKE SURE EVERY BUILDING IS, YOU KNOW, TO CODE, BUT AGAIN, NOW THAT WE'RE HERE DISCUSSING IT, IT WAS CHANGED SO MANY TIMES, SO THIS IS 2023, I DON'T KNOW WHEN IT WAS DONE WITH KELLY'S, YOU KNOW, THE '80s, BUT IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THINGS, THEN WHY CAN'T 2023 BE THE TIME WHERE, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE LOVE THE BUILDING AND WE CAN BRING IT UP AND HAVE A DOOR LIKE THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS THE WORLD WE LIVE IN, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE GOT, AND THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. NO, YOU'RE ON A ROLL, I MEAN I -- I DON'T WANT TO SLOW YOU DOWN, BUT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO. >> I'M SORRY. >> Mayor Muns: ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT? COUNCILMAN SMITH? >> Smith : FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR HAVING A BUSINESS AND INVESTING IN DOWNTOWN PLANO. ALL OF US HAVE TRIED AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO SEE OUR DOWNTOWN BECOME SUCCESSFUL. FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT FROM MICHA AND FOLKS, I DON'T PERSONALLY BELIEVE THAT THE ROLL-UP DOOR HAS SIGNIFICANTLY ALTERED THE HYSTERICAL -- HYSTERICAL? [ LAUGHTER ] HISTORICAL ASPECT OF THE PROPERTY. AS WE HEARD, THE DOORS THAT YOU TOOK OUT WERE IN BAD SHAPE, AND THEY WEREN'T ORIGINAL TO THE BUILDING. FROM LOOKING AT THE PHOTOS, I THINK IT ALL BLENDS WELL, I THINK YOUR COLOR CHOICES WERE GOOD. I THINK THE ABILITY TO FULLY OPEN THIS UP AS YOU'VE DONE AND PROVIDE A REAL OPEN-AIR EXPERIENCE LIKE THAT IS ONLY GOING TO CONTINUE T ATTRACT PEOPLE, CAUS THIS -- THIS IS -- THIS IS A GOOD CONCEPT, AND I WANT TO SEE YOU CONTINUE TO BE SUCCESSFUL AND ATTRACT OTHER BUSINESSES THAT COME DOWN, AS YOU SAY, BECAUSE THERE'S A CAMARADERIE AMONG ALL THE OWNERS DOWN THERE TO WORK TOGETHER TO BE SUCCESSFUL. I'M IN FAVOR OF IT. AND I WOULD -- WELL, I'M NOT -- I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT YET, BUT I'M GOING TO SAY I'M IN FAVOR, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS TO SAY. >> Mayor Muns: LET ME HAVE ONE MORE SPEAKER, IF THAT'S OKAY. >> Smith : I'M NOT CHANGING MY MIN >> Mayor Muns: NO, I'M NOT, I'M JUST -- IF YOU DON'T MIND, LET ME HEAR FROM THE LAST SPEAKER AND THEN WE'LL DISCUSS AS A COUNCIL. >> PAM HOLLAND. >> Mayor Muns: I DIDN'T FORGET ABOUT YOU, MS. HOLLAND, I APOLOGIZE IF YOU WERE CONCERNED. >> PAM HOLLAND, I LIVE AT 1611H AVENUE IN THE HAGGARD PARK HERITAGE DISTRICT ADJACENT TO THE HERITAGE DISTRICT WHERE THIS IS ALL GOING ON, AND I THINK I YOUR OPENING REMARKS THATN BASED ON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT ADJUST THE TIME, MY REMARKS WILL NOT BE LONG, BUT I HOPE YOU'LL HEAR ME OUT. I DID HAVE THESE FINELY TUNED AND TIMED REMARKS THAT I'VE HAD TO ADJUST BASED ON THIS PRESENTATION, SO HOPE Y'ALL TAKE SOME OF THAT INTO ACCOUNT. SO IT'S GOING TO CONTAIN SOME OF THE STUFF I WAS GOING TO SAY AND SOME OTHER STUFF. I'VE HEARD SOME REMARKS ABOUT KIND OF SUBJECTIVE JUDGMENTS ABOUT WHAT LOOKS GOOD, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT THE DOOR LOOKS BAD, AND EVERYBODY IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OPINION, BUT CITY STAFF IS NOT CHARGED WITH THAT, MAKING THOSE PRETTY POLICE JUDGMENTS. THEY ARE CHARGED AND HERITAGE -- HERITAGE COMMISSION IS MANDATED TO DO WHAT MICHAEL BELL JUST TOLD YOU ABOUT. THAT IS THEIR PROCESS. THAT IS HOW WE PROTECT THIS SINGULAR IRREPLACEABLE ASSET OF DOWNTOWN PLANO, NATIONAL REGISTER DESIGNATED. I'VE BEEN TO A NUMBER OF THESE APPEAL MEETINGS, AND OFTEN THE CONVERSATION DOES GO IN THIS DIRECTION OF, WELL, THEY'VE ALREADY SPENT THE MONEY, AND WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE A HARDSHIP, ESPECIALLY ON SMALL BUSINESS, AND SOMETIMES THE WORD EGREGIOUS GETS IN THERE. I'VE HEARD THAT USED A NUMBER OF TIMES, ACTUALLY, IN SEPARATE MEETINGS, LIKE THIS ISN'T SO EGREGIOUS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT IS IN QUESTION HERE. I'M GOING TO PUSH BACK ON A FEW COUNTS. THE FIRST ONE, I BELIEVE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT, AFTER LISTENING TO EVERYTHING, THAT IS THE NOTABLE ABSENCE, DEAFENING SILENCE, THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING. I DO NOT THINK YOU COULD HAVE A BETTER REPRESENTATION OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAN THIS GUY THAT JUST SPOKE. THIS IS WHAT LIVING IN DOWNTOWN IS LIKE. IT'S A VERY COOPERATIVE, ENGAGED ENVIRONMENT. WE HAVE A PROPERTY OWNER THAT OWNS SUBSTANTIAL FOOTAGE ON THAT PART OF K. SHE'S NOT THAT ENGAGED. THE FACT THAT SHE L LEFT THAT GUY HANGING WHEN HE WAS GOING TO MAKE THIS SUBSTANTIAL INVESTMENT AND NOT TELL HIM HE NEEDED A CA, YOU SHOULD NOT BE THE HEAVY-HANDED PEOPLE HERE MAKING THIS RULING, SHOULD NOT BE HERITAGE COMMISSION WHO IS BEING CALLED THE BAD GUY, IT IS A LANDLORD THAT WHO DOES NOT INFORM HER TENANT OF HIS OBLIGATIONS. I SAY TAKE A DENIAL OF THIS APPEAL AND TAKE IT TO SMALL CLAIMS AND GET HIS MONEY BACK SO HE CAN REPLACE THAT DOOR IN A WAY THAT REINFORCES HIS CONCEPT. CLEARLY IT'S WORKING. IT'S REALLY LIVENING UP THAT PART OF THE STREET. IT'S GREAT. BUT THERE'S MANY GOOD OPTIONS FOR THAT ATTACHMENT 6 SHOWS SOME GREAT OPTIONS AND SOME OF THE OTHER PICTURES. >> Mayor Muns: YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 30 SECONDS. >> OKAY. WILL A SINGLE SET OF OVERHEAD DOORS BE THE DEATH KNELL OF DOWNTOWN, NO, IT WILL NOT, BUT AS MICHAEL BELL SAID, IT'S THE DRIP, DRIP, DRIP OF NOT SUPPORTING THESE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT WILL ERODE THE SINGULAR PLACE THAT WE CALL DOWNTOWN. BENDING TO SOMEBODY'S -- I WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO SAY SELF-IMPOSED DISMAY I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY HIS DEAL, I THINK IT'S THE LANDLORD. BENDING TO THAT DIFFICULTY AT THE EXPENSE OF THE EFFORTS AND VISION AND INTENTION OF COMMITTED STAFF AND COMMITTED PRESERVATION, THAT IS JUST WRONG. SO I HOPE SOMEHOW, I WOULD WISH YOU WOULD DENY THE APPEAL, BUT TO GIVE HIM AMMUNITION TO GO AND GET SATISFACTION SO THEY CAN -- HE CAN GET HIS DOORS FIXED IN A WAY THAT ECHOS THE RHYTHM, THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF DOWNTOWN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYMORE SPEAKERS? ALL RIGHT. GOOD. >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU, MAYOR, YOU KNOW, HEARING ALL OF THIS, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S GOT TO BE, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPE OF SOLUTION THAT'S NOT JUST YES OR NO, BECAUSE I REALLY SYMPATHIZE WITH THIS OWNER WHO IS TRYING TO DO A GREAT THING IN DOWNTOWN AND HAS INCURRED SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE, YOU KNOW, DON'T WANT TO CREATE A HARDSHIP, AT THE SAME TIME I DON'T WANT US TO DO SOMETHING ARBITRARY BECAUSE WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, IN OUR PACKET, WE HAVE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS CRITERIA, AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY SEE WHICH OF THOSE CRITERIA ENABLES TO SAY THAT THE HERITAGE COMMISSION GOT THIS DETERMINATION WRONG, AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD ST NULLIFY THE STANDARDS THAT WE'VE CREATED, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT WOULDN'T BE FAIR TO OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS TO SAY WE WON'T DO THAT FOR YOU, SO IT REALLY FEELS LIKE A CONUNDRUM. MIKE, WHEN YOU WERE UP THERE, YOU TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WORKING THROUGH ATTEMPTS TO GET TO YES. DID STAFF PROPOSE ANY MIDDLE GROUNDS THAT WERE NOT ACCEPTED AND JUST WONDERING WHAT MIGHT BE OUT THERE TO EXPLORE. >> YES, THAT WAS OUR APPROACH, THAT WAS -- THAT WAS THE EXPRESS TO THE APICANT,ET'S TALK THROUGH THIS AND FIND A WAY TO GET SOMETHING SUITABLE, BUT AGAIN IT WAS QUITE CLEAR THEY WERE JUST GOING TO PURSUE WHAT THEY ALREADY INSTALLED. >> GOT YA', AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. DID YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC IDEAS THAT YOU MENTIONED, NO WORRIES IF THAT IS PREMATURE, NO, WE'RE NOT WILLING TO CONSIDER ANYTHING -- >> WE DID TALK ABOUT -- WE DID PROVIDE EXAMPLS IN THE PACKET OF SUITABLE WAYS TO DO FOLDING DOORS IN A WAY THAT IS STILL COMPLIANT WITH THE GDELIS. >> Ricciardelli: OKAY, WELL THANK YOU FOR THAT. YOU KNOW, SO DO YOU THINK -- I JUST WONDER IF WE TABLED THIS FOR TWO WEEKS IF THERE MIGHT BE A FURTHER CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE OWNER OR THE LESSEE AND THE STAFF, YOU KNOW, IF THAT WAS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IF THE -- >> I JUST THINK IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE'S A SOLUTION FROM THE STAFF OTHER THAN CHANGING THE DOORS, THEY'RE SUGGESTING TO CHANGE DOORS TO VERTICAL FOLDING DOORS, SO EITHER WAY, HE'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED, IF WE DENY THE APPEAL, HE'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO CHANGE THE DOORS. >> Ricciardelli: YEAH, I SUPPOSE THAT'S TRUE. I WOULD LOVE -- AND I GUESS THE OTHER THING IS IS THERE ANY -- I KNOW WE HAVE VARIOUS PROGRAMS DOWNTOWN, IS THERE ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE THAT WOULD HELP WITH THE FINANCIAL HARDSHIP, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS LESSEE MIGHT BE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY FOR? >> THE PRIMARY IS THE TAX EXEMPTION WHICH ARE MEANT TO OFFSET MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS. >> Ricciardelli: YEAH. >> THERE ARE STATE TAX EXEMPTIONS FOR REHABS AND REPAIRS. I'M NOT SURE IF THOSE WOULD QUALIFY FOR THOSE, BUT IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WORTH EXPLORING. .>> Ricciardelli: GOT YA'. THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION. I GUESS IF THIS IS A DECISION WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE TONIGHT, IT'S A TOUGH DECISION FOR ME, I REALLY, REALLY SYMPATHIZE, YOU KNOW W. THIS SITUATION, AND FEELING LIKE IT'S JUST ABOUT A DOOR, BUT REALLY WE HAVE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR A WHOLE DISTRICT, AND I -- I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE RIGHT TO DO SOMETHING ARBITRARY, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OUR OWN AESTHETIC SENSES DON'T SEE IT A CERTAIN WAY. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ADOPTED CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS CRITERIA, YOU KNOW, THE HERITAGE COMMISSION THAT WE'VE CHARGED WITH THESE DUTIES HAS MADE A DETERMINATION BASED ON THOSE CRITERIA, AND SO EVEN THOUGH I DO GREATLY SYMPATHIZE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO ALL OF THE DOWNTOWN PROPERTY OWNERS OR ANY INTEREST OF THE DOWNTOWN HERITAGE DISTRICT TO OVERTURN THE WELL CONSIDERED OPINION OF THE STAFF AND THE HERITAGE COMMISSION THAT WAS UNANIMOUS. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMAN GRADY? >> Grady: UMM, I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS FROM MY ESTEEMED COLLEAGUE OVER HERE, ALTHOUGH I DISAGREE WITH HIM. I LOOK AT THIS FROM EVERY ASPECT THAT I COULD POSSIBLY TAKE A LOOK AT, AND I CAME UP WITH THESE THOUGHTS. THE STOREFRONT HAS BEEN MODIFIED SEVERAL TIMES. THIS IS -- WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS AND SAYING THIS IS A VIOLATION, BUT IT WAS RADICALLY ALTERED IN 1980, IT WAS RADICALLY ALTERED AGAIN IN 202 2003, THERE DIDN'T SEEM TO BE ANY ISSUE AT THAT POINT IN TURNING IT INTO AN OPEN AIR ENVIRONMENT INTO WHAT IT WOULD BE IN THE 1950 PHOTOGRAPH. IT DIDN'T SEEM THERE WAS AN ISSUE IN 1980 WHEN IT WAS MODIFIED. SO IT HAS BEEN MODIFIED MULTIPLE TIMES, AND THAT WAS THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDING THAT I ASSUMED THAT THE OWNERS PURCHASED AT THE TIME. THE FRONT AS IT IS EVEN STATED IN THE LITERATURE IS DIFFICULT TO SEE FROM THE STREET, SO A PASSER BY, AS IT EVEN SAYS IN THE DOCUMENT, REPETITIONS ARE LESS APPARENT TO THE PRESENT DUE TO THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING BEING HEAVILY OBSCURED BY AN AWNING, PATIO, DINING AND A LARGE TREE. SO PEOPLE PASSING BY REALLY DON'T NOTICE WHETHER THIS IS A ROLL-UP DOOR OR WHETHER IT'S AWNING DOORS OR WHETHER IT'S THE ORIGINAL STOREFRONT. AND IN FACT, WITH THESE PLANTER BOXES OUT IN THE FRONT, YOU ALMOST WOULD THINK THAT THOSE ARE SOME KIND OF BRICK MOTIF AS IT WAS. PRIOR TO 1980 THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT ACTUALLY INDICATE THIS BUILDING WAS MODIFIED TWICE IN 1917, ONCE IN 1920, ONCE IN 1940, AND AGAIN IN 1960, SO THERE'S BEEN HEAVY MODIFICATIONS ON IT, WE CAN SEE THAT IN THE PHOTOGRAPH FROM 1950 WHEN THAT LARGE VENTILATION FAN WAS ON THE BUILDING AND WAS REMOVED BECAUSE IT WAS A DRY CLEANER. ALTHOUGH IT WAS NEVER CONSTRUCTED THE COMMISSION AT ONE TIME HAD APPROVED THE CONSTRUCTION OF A FOUR STORY ADDITION ON THE BACK OF THIS BUILDING, THAT WAS NOT DONE, BUT THAT COULD HAVE BEEN A SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATION A THERE DIDN'T SEEM TO BE AN ISSUE AT THAT POINT IN TIME. THE BRICK AND THE WINDOW STOREFRONT WAS MODIFIED IN '80 TO AN ALL GLASS FRONT WITH THE CENTER DOOR MOVED TO THE LEFT OF THE STRUCTURE, THEN IT WAS MODIFIED AGAIN IN 2003, WITH ACCORDION DOORS LEAVING AN OPEN ENVIRONMENT AND THE DOOR INTO THE FACILITY WAS MOVED TO THE FRONT -- OR TO THE RIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE. SO THIS FRONT OF THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN ALTERED MULTIPLE TIMES, DIDN'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO IT UNTIL THIS ROLL-UP DOOR WAS PUT ON. THE SUBMITTED DOCUMENTS ALSO STATED THAT THE ACCORDION DOORS REPLACED AN EARLIER DOOR AND TWO LARGE DISPLAY WINDOWS THAT WERE NOT ORIGINAL TO THE BUILDING, AND FURTHER STATES THAT BECAUSE OF THE ORIGINAL STOREFRONT LACKS ORIGINAL FEATURES AND MATERIALS STAFF FINDS THAT THE APPLICANT'S INTENT TO MAINTAIN AN OPEN-AIR DINING EXPERIENCE TO BE AN APPROPRIATE FUNCTION ADAPTED TO THIS BUILDING SO LONG AS THE PROPORTIONS OF THE BUILDING OPENING WERE NOT ALTERED, WHICH THEY WERE NOT, AND APPROPRIATE MATERIALS WERE THEUESTIOTHAT SEEMS TO BE THE DOCUMENT ALSO STATES THAT STAFF SUGGESTED THE USING OF A SLIDING OR HINGED DOOR THAT WOULD FULLY CLOSE TO COMPLIMENT THE STYLE AND PROPORTIONS OF THE TYPE OF THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE, AND IT FURTHER STATES THAT THE STOREFRONT SHOULD MAINTAIN THE INTEREST OF PEDESTRIANS BY PROVIDING VIEWS OF GOODS AND ACTIVITIES INSIDE, BUT THEN IT ALSO STATES THAT THE -- THAT THE CONTEMPORARY AND THE ACCORDION DOORS WERE CONTEMPORARY AND NONTRADITIONAL AND THAT THE EARLIER FRONT WAS HEAVILY OBSCURED. THEIFFENCE T ME IS VERY LITTLE. AND AS A SIDE NOTE, I'VE USED -- I'VE SEEN ACCORDION DOORS ON GARAGES, I'VE SEEN TIP-UP DOORS ON GARAGES, CALLING THIS A GARAGE DOOR, TRYING TO DIFFERENTIATE THAT FROM ACCORDION DOORS, I DON'T FIND A LOT OF DIFFERENCE THERE, AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE BIGGEST ISSUE WITH ACCORDION DOORS IS THAT RUNNING TRACK ON THE FLOOR, BECAUSE IT WILL FILL WITH DIRT AND IT WILL MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE TO OPEN AND CLOSE, YOU HAVE GOT TO KEEP IT CLEAN ALL THE TIME. FINALLY, I CAN'T REALLY SEE ANY REASON TO DENY THIS AT THIS POINT IN TIME BECAUSE OF THE MODIFICATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE TO THIS BUILDING FOR A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF TIME. I DON'T FIND THAT THIS DOOR IS ACTUALLY CHANGING THAT ENTIRE OPEN AIR STRUCTURE, AND SO ALTHOUGH I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE OUR OWN STANDARDS AND THEY'RE NEWER STANDARDS, I REALLY CAN'T SEE ANY REASON TO DENY THIS AT THIS POINT IN TIME, IF WE REALLY WANTED TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE THE ORIGINAL STOREFRONT, HIRE AN ARTIST, AND HAVE OF THE GLASS DOOR TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE BRICKS. >> Mayor Muns: MAYOR PRO TEM? >> Prince: SO I TEND TO AGREE MORE WITH MY COLLEAGUE HERE, COUNCILMEMBER GRADY, WHEN I LOOK AT THESE PHOTOS, AND YOU LOOK BACK TO THE PREVIOUS ONES, TO ME IT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE JUST MY PERCEPTION, BUT MANY OF THESE WERE METAL DOORS, THAT THEY WEREN'T ALL WOOD DOORS BEFORE. SO TO SAY THAT HE NEEDS TO -- THAT IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO HAVE METAL DOORS WHEN IT LOOKS LIKE PREVIOUSLY THERE WERE METAL DOORS, I'M CONFUSED ABOUT WHY WE'RE SAYING HE WOULD NEED TO MOVE AWAY FROM THE METAL BACK TO WOOD WHEN THERE WAS PREVIOUSLY METAL. >> SURE, SO AGAIN, THE ALTERATIONS DONE PRIOR TO 2000, BEFORE THIS WAS IN A DISTRICT, THE ONES 2006, TO YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION, DOWNTOWN WENT THROUGH A PERIOD OF MODERNIZATION IN THE MID INDUSTRY, THEY APPLIED METAL DOORS, THEY APPLIED THE SCCO THE BRICK, TO LOOK LIKE THE NEW STOREFRONTS TO TRY TO STAY CURRENT AND MODERN, SO THAT WAS AN ADAPTATION IN THE TIME IN THE '60s, IT DOESN'T MATCH THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE WHEN THAT BUILDING WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT WHICH WAS THE EARLY 1900s, AND WHAT THESE STANDARDS ARE TRYING TO GET BACK TO IN TERMS OF INTEGRITY OF THE SITE. >> EVEN THE ONES YOU SHOWED US OF URBAN CREST AND -- THEY'RE NOT WOOD, THEY'RE METAL RIGHT. >> THE KEY ISSUE HERE IS NOT THE METAL, IT'S THE PROPORTIONS AND THE REPETION >> Prince: I THOUGHT I W SOMETHING IN THE PACKET PART OF THE PROBLEM WAS METAL, THAT MAY BE A -- >> IT'S ALUMINUM, WHICH IS NOT IDEAL, I THINK IF THEY WEREN'T PAINTED IT WOULD BE A BIGGER DEAL, BUT, AGAIN, IT'S THE DESIGN STANDARDS ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR MODERN INTERPRETATIONS. I THINK THE FACT THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE THE PROPORTIONS, THOUGH, IS WHAT KEEPS IT FROM BEING A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE OF A MODERN INTERPRETATION. >> Prince: OVERALL, I THINK TO COUNCILMEMBER GRADY'S POINT, THERE'S BEEN SO MANY CHANGES OVER TIME, I'M STRUGGLING TO SEE HOW THESE DOORS ARE REALLY ALTERING THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS, SO I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THE -- I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THE APPEAL. >> Mayor Muns: DEPUTY MAYOR? >> Tu: SO I'M ACTUALLY NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH MAYOR PRO TEM FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME. I'M A LIAISON ON THE HERITAGE COMMISSION, AND I'VE BEEN WITH THE HERITAGE COMMISSION ON A CONFIDENCE TRIP, I THINK IT'S IN OHIO, RIGHT? AND THE AMOUNT OF RESPECT THAT WE GET FROM CIES ACROSS TEXAS FOR OUR HERITAGE COMMISSION AND THE WORK THAT WE DO HERE IS INCREDIBLE. WE ARE LOOKED UP AS A GOLD STANDARD IN WHAT HERITAGE COMMISSION SHOULD BE AND WHAT IT SHOULD ENTAIL. OUR -- OUR POLICIES, OUR STRUCTURES, OUR PROCEDURES ARE COPIED BY OTHER CITIES IN ORDER TO PRESERVE WHAT THEY -- WHAT THEIR CITY CONSIDER TO BE HERITE MONUMENTS, SOMETHING THEY WANT TO PRESERVE AS HISTORY. WHEN MY HERITAGE COMMISSION TELLS ME 7-0 THAT THIS IS A DRAMATIC CHANGE FROM THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION OF OUR DOWNTOWN PLANO, YOU KNOW, I -- I REALLY DO AGREE WITH THAT. I UNDERSTAND PROGRESS IS NECESSARY, AND I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT WE WANT PROFIT AND WE WANT -- WE WANT ACTIVITIES IN DOWNTOWN PLO,UT ONE OF THE MAIN ATTRACTION ABOUT DOWNTOWN PLANO IS THE FACT THAT IT IS HISTORICAL. THIS IS WHAT PLANO WAS BUILT ON, PRESERVED FOR, AND THIS IS OUR HISTORY, AND ONE LITTLE CHANGE, YEAH, DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF DIFFERENCE, BUT EVENTUALLY IT WILL. WHEN WE START OVERLOOKING THE -- YOU KNOW, OVERLOOKING THE LITTLE MODIFICATIONS, WHEN WE START OVERLOOKING OUR PRECEDENCE OF, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT THE HERITAGE -- OURATCHG, OUR HERITAGE COMMISSION WATCHDOG IS TRYING TO PRESERVE US, I THINK EVENTUALLY THE CHARGE OF DOWNTOWN PLANO WILL ERODE. SO I OBVIOUSLY UPHOLDING THE DENIAL. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS? >> Williams: THANK YOU. QUESTION FOR YOU, MIKE, ACTUALLY, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, SO WE'VE HEARD THAT NUMEROUS CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE STOREFRONT OVER TIME, WHICH IS OF COURSE TRUE. WE SAW THE PICTURES. DID THOSE CHANGES PRE-DATE THE DESIGNATION OF OUR STANDARDS UNDER A HERITAGE DISTRICT THAT WE'RE REEWING AS PAR O THIS PACKET? >> THEY PRE-DATED THE DESIGNATION OF THE DISTRICT AND THEY PREDATED THE CURRENT DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE IN PLACE SINCE 2016 YES. >> Williams: OKAY. SO WE -- ALL THOSE CHANGES OCCURRED OVER THE DECADES. THEN WE APPLIED THE CURRENT HERITAGE STANDARDS TO PRESERVE THIS IN THE TARGET CHARACTER WE REVIEWED BACK IN THE BEGINNING OF THE PRIOR CENTURY, AND SO IT HAS HASNOT GONE THROUGH CHANGES SINCE WE APPLIED THOSE CRITERIA CORRECT? >> YES. YES THAT'S CORRECT. >> Williams: OKAY. AND THE CHARACTERS OF THE STOREFRONTS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IN THE '60s, TO TRY TO MODERNIZE, I'M ASSUMING THOSE WOULD NOT HAVE ACHIEVED A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS. >> I THINK THE POINT OF PRESERVATION IS UNDO THOSE THINGS DONE IN THE '60s AND GET IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL. >> I'M A LITTLE ON THE FENCE NOT ENTIRELY. I'M VERY SYMPATHETIC TO THE RESTAURANT OWNER AND DONE IN T DOWNTOWN AREA.VE AT THE SAME TIME, I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN RICCIARDELLI THAT THE STANDARDS WE HAVE IN PLACE WERE PUT IN PLACE FOR A REASON. IF WE THINK WE NEED TO REVISIT THOSE, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO SO, BUT AS WAS MENTIONED, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS GOING TO BE VERY HARD TO TURN BACK IF WE GIVE GROUND INCH BY INCH. NOW, LOOKING AT THE PICTURES, I MEAN ALL THESE -- ALL THESE CRITERIA ARE HERE, AND JUST LOOKING AT THE PICTURES, I DON'T THINK THAT THE -- THE DOOR CLOSED MATCHES THE CRITERIA. OPEN, IT MIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY ROOM FOR A DESIGNATION TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN OPEN AND CLOSED, BUT IN THESE PICTURES THAT WE WERE GIVEN, I MEAN THE DOOR'S INVISIBLE PRETTY MUCH. WE HEARD THAT THE DOOR IS OPEN 15 HOURS OUT OF THE DAY. I DON'T KNOW -- I HAVEN'T VISITED THE ESTABLISHMENT. IS THAT YEAR ROUND? DOES IT MAKE A DIFRENC I'D LIKE YOUR OPINION ON THAT. >> I THINK IDEALLY THE DESIGN WHEN CLOSED WOULD REPLICATE THE STOREFRONT. I THINK WITH THING ACKNOWLEDGMENT TO ADAPTIVELY REUSE THIS BUILDING FOR RESTAURANT, IT'S ACCEPTABLE TO ROLL-UP DURING THE DAYTIME. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS DOORWAY AND THE OTHER EXAMPLES PROVIDED IN DOWNTOWN, IN THOSE EXAMPLES THE DOOR WAS CENTERED IN THE OPENING, THE DOORS OPEN ON EITHER SIDE, EVEN WHEN THOSE WERE OPE THEY REPLICAD E STOREFRONT, IN THIS CASE IT DOESN'T. >> Williams: OKAY. I THINK I'M AT THE POSITION WHERE THE LANDLORD ABSOLUTELY HAD A DUTY TO INFORM THE APPLICANT THAT THIS PROCESS WAS REQUIRED, IT'S A HARD DECISION, BECAUSE I AM SYMPATHETIC, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOSE OUR DOWNTOWN CHARACTER AUDIOLOGY AT ONCE. -- ALL AT ONCE, IT'S NOT GOING GOG T HAPPEN ONERNIGHT, IS INCREMENTAL DECISION OVER TIME OVER MANY YEARS, PERHAPS MANY DECADES, AS IT DID, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE TRYING TO RECLAIM IT NOW. SO I THINK I WOULD HAVE TO RELUCTANTLY VOTE IN FAVOR OF UPLOADING THE HERITAGE COMMISSION'S DENIAL. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER? >> Holmer: I'VE GOT LOTS OF THOUGHTS. I'M A FORMER RESTAURANT OWNER IN DOWNTOWN PLANO, SO I AM VERY SYMPATHETIC AS TO WHAT IT'S LIKE TO OWN A BUSINESS IN DOWNTOWN PLANO, A HISTORIC BUILDING, AND TO TRY TO RUN A 7 DAY A WEEK BUSINESS, AND WEAR SO MANY DIFFERENT HATS, AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE REASON AS THE APPLICANT STATED THAT HE CHOSE THAT LOCATION WAS BECAUSE OF THE APPEAL OF DOWNTOWN, AND I HAVE NOTHING BUT RESPECT FOR OUR HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, AND FOR OUR STAFF, THEY DO AN AMAZING JOB. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LOT OF THE CHARM TO DOWNTOWN, AND TO COUNCILMEMBER TU'S POINT, AND COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS, THAT WE SHOULD TRUST OUR COMMISSION. I MEAN, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAKES DECISIONS AND THEY COME TO US TO MAKE THAT FINAL DECISION. IT MAY NOT ALWAYS BE THE SAME. AND I THINK THAT THEY'RE DOING THEIR JOB AND DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB, BOTH THE STAFF AND THE COMMISSION, AND I RESPECT THEM FOR THAT, BUT ULTIMATELY WE'RE HERE TO MAKE THE FINAL DECISION, AND I THINK A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS. I APPRECIATE PAM HOLLAND COMING UP AND SPEAKING ABOUT THAT HOLDING LANDLORDS ACCOUNTABLE, TAKING A LANDLORD TO SMALL CLAIMS COURT, THAT IS ALL FINE AND GREA IN THEORY, BUT THAT TAKES MONEY, THAT TAKES TIME, THAT TAKES YOU AWAY FROM RUNNING YOUR BUSINESS. AND I MEAN, IT'S A DOLLAR AND CENT KIND OF BUSINESS WHEN YOU RUN A RESTAURANT. I MEAN, IT IS GRUELING. I CANNOT STRESS THAT ENOUGH. I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS THAT. ANY TIME I TELL ANYONE I OWNED A RESTAURANT, THEY'RE LIKE, HUH, WHAT WAS THAT LIKE. I CAN NEVER DO THAT. IT IS SUCH HARD WORK. SO I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S FAIR TO PENALIZE THE APPLICANT WHO HAS ALREADY INVESTED $9,000 IN JUST HARD EXPENSES, THAT IS NOT CONSIDERING THE TIME, ENERGY, BEING HERE TONIGHT, I'M SURE HE'S SPENT NUMEROUS HOURS WITH EACH OF YOU TRYING TO -- IT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE NOT FINDING ALTERNATE SOLUTIONS AFTER INVESTING THAT MONEY, MAYBE WAS HOPING TO AVOID SPENDING ANY MORE TIME, ENERGY, FINANCES ON IT. AS IT WAS ALREADY BROUGHT UP, COUNCILMEMBER GRADY ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE BECAUSE OF THE AWNING AND THE TREE AND THE -- EVERYTHING IN THE FRONT, IT'S REALLY HARD TO SEE ALL THAT. I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A RESPONBILI TO NOT PUT A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER IN A POSITION LIKE THIS. SO WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT WHAT WE REQUIRE OF A LAND OWNER, OR WHAT IS THE APPLICATION PROCESS? IT'S TRUE, USUALLY IT'S NOT UNTIL SOMEONE PUTS IN A SIGN PERMIT THAT IT'S COME TO THE ATTENTION OF STAFF THAT, OH, WHAT ELSE ARE YOU DOING HERE AND HOW CAN WE HELP YOU MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE STANDARDS DOWN HERE AND THE STAFF DOES AN AMAZING JOB WITH THAT, BUT WE'VE GOTTEN BEYOND THAT AT THIS POINT, AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S FAIR TO PENALIZE THE APPLICANT. LET ME SEE WHATEVER -- I FEEL ONE THING THE CITY HAS ALREADY REMEDIED MICHELLE HAWKINS BEING PLACED IN THAT DOWNTOWN MANAGER ROLE DOES GIVE US ONE ADDITIONAL LIAISON ROLE TO HELP PREVENT THINGS LIKE THAT HAPPENING IN THE FUTURE. I HAVE A LETTER FROM A FORMER -- NOT A FORMER, A FELLOW MERCHANT IN DOWNTOWN PLANO, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL OF IT, IT SPOKE TO THE CAMARADERIE DOWNTOWN, THE VIBE DOWOWN, EVERYONE WANTING TO WORK TOGETHER, AND BEING SUPPORIVE OF THE APPLICANT, AND US MAKING A DECISION TO APPROVE THIS APPEAL. SO I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD CONSIDER LOOKING INTO WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T FIND SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS IN A SITUATION LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE. YOU KNOW, I'M VERY MUCH AN ADVOCATE FOR SMALL BUSINESSES IN PLANO AND I CANNOT IN GOOD FAITH AFTER THIS MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT, HE IS A GREAT ADDITION TO DOWNTOWN PLANO. MY BUSINESS WAS DOWN THERE WHEN THE PREVIOUS APPLICANT -- OR PREVIOUS BUSINESS WENT OUT OF BUSINESS, AND THAT SPACE STAYED EMPTY FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT -- WELL, I THINK THE APPLICANT EVEN SAID THERE'S OTHER BUSINESSES, THERE'S ACTUALLY THE LEASING AGENTS AT THE APARTMENTS NEARBY, ONCE THEY MOVED IN AND STARTED GENERATING TRAFFIC DOWN THERE, THEY SAID THANK YOU, IT MAKES US SO MUCH EASIER FOR US TO RENT THESE APARTMENTS OUT WHEN WE'VE GOT LIVELY BUSINESSES DOWN HERE RATHER THAN EMPTY STOREFROS,EEL LIKE ALL THE INTENTIONS HAVE BEEN GOOD, HE'S DONE NOTHING BUT CONTRIBUTE TO TRAFFIC IN DOWNTOWN, TO OTHER PEOPLE'S BUSINESSES IN DOWNTOWN, AND WE SHOULD NOT PENALIZE HIM FOR NOT UNDERSTANDING THAT PROCESS, SO I 100% WILL SUPPORT THAT WE -- IS IT APPROVE THE APPEAL, IS THAT THE CORRECT WAY? AND I DO WANT TO REITERATE MY RESPECT FOR THE COMMISSION, FOR THE STAFF. I KNOW YOU'RE DOING YOUR JOB AND YOU'RE DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB, AND, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WE CAN DO SOMETHING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION LIKE THIS IN THE FUTURE, BUT I WILL SUPPORT THIS APPEAL. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMAN SMITH? >> Smith : GREAT POINTS I THINK EVERYBODY HAS MADE, AND I RESPECT THE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION. I THINK THAT'S WHAT MAKES US A GREAT GOVERNING BODY, BECAUSE WE CAN HAVE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION, LIKE DEPUTY MAYOR, I'M ALSO A LIAISON TO THE HERITAGE COMMISSION, AND THE THINGS SHE SAID ARE RIGHT ON. I MEAN, THE POINT OF THE HERITAGE IS TO MAINTAIN THE HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE AND TO KEEP THAT LOOK AND FEEL THAT GET US THE HISTORICAL DESIGNATIONS, BUT AS COUNCILMAN GRADY SO ELOQUENTLY POINTED OUT, THERE'S BEEN CHANGES AND CHANGES AND CHANGES AND CHANGES TO THIS BUILDING OVER TIME THAT WERE THIS BUILDING TO NOT HAVE HAD THOSE CHANGES AND HAD ALL THE ORIGINAL BASICALLY LOOK AND FEEL, MAYBE SOME DIFFERENT MATERIALS HERE AND THERE, I WOULDN'T BE IN FAVOR OF IT EITHER, BUT THAT IS NOT THE CASE HERE, SO I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK TO THE FUTURE AND THE -- I GUESS THE SUCCESS, CONTINUED SUCCESS OF OUR DOWNTOWN AREA, AND WE HAVE TO USE COMMON SENSE SOMETIMES, METIME YOUNOW, THINGS MAY -- YOU CAN READ SOMETHING ONE WAY, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM A COMMON SENSE STANDPOINT, HOW DOES IT FIT, WHAT'S THE BEST SOLUTION FOR NOW? AND I THINK BY FAR THE BEST SOLUTION FOR NOW IS TO GRANT THIS PETITION AND ALLOW THIS BUSINESSMAN TO CONTINUE, AS A FELLOW BUSINESSMAN MYSELF WHO LEASES A BUILDING, OKAY, SURE, HE MIGHT BE SUCCESSFUL SUING HIS LANDLORD, BUT ULTIMATELY, HE'S STILL PAYING FOR IT. THERE'S NO FREE RIDE WHEN YOU LEASE. THE OWNER IS GOING TO PAY MONEY OUT. THE OWNER IS GOING TOAISE THE RENT OR RAISE YOUR MAINTENANCE FEES, SO YOU'RE STILL GOING TO PAY FOR IT, JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND, IF WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS COME UP AGAIN, EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN GO BACK AGAINST THAT OWNER, IT'S GOING TO ULTIMATELY COME BACK ON YOU. I'M IN FAVOR. >> Mayor Muns: I'LL BE REAL BRIEF, BECAUSE EVERYONE HAS SAID, MS. HOLLAND, YOU'RE CORRECT, THE ONUS IS ON THE LANDLORD, UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T -- WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL TO MAKE THEM DO ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT, AND IT CERTAINLY ISN'T -- ISN'T SOMETHING THAT HE SHOULD BE PENALIZED FOR. SO AS HARD AS -- I THE WE ALL ARE VERY, YOU KNOW, CONFLICTED HERE. BUT I -- I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO PENALIZE SOMEBODY FOR A MISTAKE SOMEBODY ELSE MADE. SO DO I HEAR A MOTION? >> Grady: I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE GRANT THE APPEAL. >> SECOND. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY, SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO GRANT THE APPEAL. SO THAT WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THE RESTAURATEUR. EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND? PLEASE VOTE. MOTION PASSES 5-3. THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED.