>>COUN. DAVIS: GOOD EVENING, FOLKS, HERE'S YOUR ONE MINUTE WARNING. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A SEAT, PLEASE FIND ONE, QUICK. AND WE'LL GET STARTED. THANK YOU, WELCOME TO THE 35th MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL. WE'LL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER. ALL COUNCILORS ARE PRESENT EXCEPT FOR COUNCILOR BENTON WHO WILL BE PRESENT. MADAM -- MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. >>COUN. GROUT: LET'S DO A MOMENT OF SILENCE THEN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IN ENGLISH BY COUNCILOR JONES AND IN SPANISH BY COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. PLEASE STAND. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. CIVIC PLAZA PARKING PASSES ARE PROVIDED FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. YOU CAN OBTAIN A PARKING PASS FROM COUNCIL STAFF, AT THE TABLE NEAR THE CHAMBER'S ENTRANCE. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, CITY STAFF, AND MEDIA HAVE THE ABILITY TO VIEW THIS MEETING IN PERSON AND ON LIVE STREAM THROUGH FOUR DIFFERENT PLATFORMS. GOVTV ON COMCAST CHANNEL 16. THE GOVTV WEBSITE. YOU TUBE, AND ZOOM WEBINAR. THE LIVE STREAMS CAN BE AXES FROM MOST SMART PHONES TABLETS OR COMPUTERS. ALSO THIS MEETING IS CLOSED CAPTIONED AND YOU MAY ENABLE THE CLOSED CAPTIONING SERVICES ON YOUR TELEVISION OR DEVICE AT THIS TIME. THE VIDEO RECORDING OF THIS AND ALL PAST COUNCIL MEETINGS WILL REMAIN AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING AT ANY TIME ON THE COUNCIL'S WEBSITE. COUNCIL STAFF IS AVAILABLE VIA TELEPHONE IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC NEED ASSISTANCE FINDING THE VIDEOS ONLINE. PLEASE CALL 505-768-3100 FOR ASSISTANCE DURING BUSINESS HOURS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY 8 TO 5 P.M. THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE A BREAK AT APPROXIMATELY 7 P.M., IF NEEDED. WITH REGARD TO DECORUM IN THE CHAMBERS, WE WANT TONIGHT'S PROCEEDINGS TO BE AS CIVIL AND RESPECTFUL AS POSSIBLE. PLEASE DO NOT MAKE ANY PERSONAL ATTACKS AND PLEASE NO APPLAUSE OR OUTBURSTING. THE MEETING WILL GO A LOT SMOOTHER IF WE'RE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER. TO THAT END, I LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS ABOUT DECORUM AND THE RULES THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE. HANDOUTS OF THE RULES ARE AVAILABLE AT THE STAFF TABLE NEAR THE CHAMBER'S ENTRANCE IF YOU LIKE A COPY. THERE WILL BE NO SIGNS, PROPS, POSTERS OR BANNERS ALLOWED IN THE CHAMBERS. OTHER THAN THAT WHICH CAN BE DISPLAYED DURING PRESENTATION. NO SHEETS LARGER THAN 8.5 BY 11 INCHES. SUCH MATERIAL SHALL NOT BE HELD IN A WAY THAT BLOCKS THE VIEW OR CREATES DISTRACTION FROM THE SPEAKER OR BUSINESS AT HAND. ITEMS DISPLAYED MUST BE REMOVED FROM THE PROJECTOR AT THE END OF THE PERSON'S PUBLIC COMMENT. ONLY THE INDIVIDUAL WHO THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT HAVE CALLED ON MAY STAND AT THE PODIUM. MULTIPLE PERSONS WILL NOT BE PERMITTED TO STAND BEHIND THE PRESENTER. THE ONLY EXCEPTION WILL BE THOSE WHO NEED A TRANSLATOR, OR REASONABLE ACCOMMODATIONS TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT. THE TIME LIMIT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT WILL BE STRICTLY ENFORCED. PUBLIC COMMENT MUST BE DIRECTED TO THE COUNCIL THROUGH THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT, NOT AT STAFF OR MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE. THERE WILL BE NO TOLERANCE FOR DISRUPTIVE PUBLIC OUTBURSTS. THE HANDICAPPED LANDING AREA MUST BE KEPT CLEAR AT ALL TIMES. THOSE DESIRING TO RECORD THE MEETING WILL BE DIRECTED TO THE LANDING ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE DIS. THE FIRE MARSHAL WILL ENFORCE INGRESS AND EGRESS RULES TO ENSURE PUBLIC SAFETY. THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT WILL PROVIDE ONE WARNING TO ANYONE CAUSING A DISRUPTION, UPON THE SECOND OR CONTINUED DISRUPTION, THAT INDIVIDUAL WILL BE ASKED TO LEAVE THE CHAMBERS AND IF NECESSARY SECURITY WILL BE ASKED TO ESCORT THAT PERSON OUT OF THE CHAMBERS. SUCH REMOVAL FROM THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS WILL BE EFFECTIVE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE MEETING. IF CONTINUED DISRUPTIONS OCCUR, COUNCIL PRESIDENT MAY RECESS THE MEETING UNTIL ORDER IS RESTORED. AND IS -- IF NECESSARY MAY CLEAR THE PERSONS PARTICIPATING IN THE DISTURBANCE. AT THIS TIME, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS. COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I HAVE SPECIAL GUESTS TONIGHT. I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE MASTER SERGEANT AND HIS CADETS FROM THE JROTC FROM CIBOLA HIGH SCHOOL. IF YOU WOULD COME TO THE FRONT OF THE ROOM AND LET US READ YOU THIS PROCLAMATION AND RECOGNIZE YOU TONIGHT. WE ARE HONORED TO HAVE YOU ALL HERE TONIGHT. I'M GOING TO READ THIS PROCLAMATION. WHEREAS, JROTC WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED AS PART OF THE NATIONAL DEFENSE ACT OF 1916 ASK EXPANDED UNDER THE 1964ROTC REVITALIZATION ACT, AND THE SEEB LAW PROGRAM WAS ESTABLISHED IN 1982 IN THE 41-YEAR HISTORY OF THE PROGRAM CIBOLA HAS WON THE 2015 NEW MEXICO CHAMPIONSHIP AND COMPETED AT THE NATIONAL DRILL CHIP IN 2015 ENDING AS THE UNARMED OVERALL CHAMPION RUNNER-UP. IN FEBRUARY OF 2023, THE CIBOLA HIGH SCHOOL PRECISION SHOOTING TEAM WAS INVITED TO COMPETE AT THE MARINE NATIONAL MARKSMANSHIP COMPETITION. THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THEY'VE BEEN INVITED TO COMPETE IN THE 24 YEARS HISTORY OF THE COMPETITION. WHEREAS IN 2023 CIBOLA HIGH SCHOOL HOSTED THE NMAAJROTC STATE CHAMPIONSHIP. CIBOLA FINISHED FOURTH OVERAL. THE COLOR GUARD ONE FIRST PLACE. CADET RIVERA WAS THE BEST PRECISION SHOOTER IN THE STATE. IS SHE HERE? THERE SHE IS. RIGHT THERE. WHILE CADET DESIREE WAS THE BEST PRECISION SHOOTER IN THE STANDING POSITION. WHEREAS IN APRIL OF 2023 THE CIBOLA HIGH SCHOOL WAS INVITED TO COMPETE AT THE MARINE NATIONAL COMPETITION IN VIRGINIA. IN MAY 2023 THEY WERE INVITED TO ATTEND THE NATIONAL DRILL CHAMPIONSHIP IN DAYTONA PEACH, FLORIDA. THIS YEAR, A TOTAL OF 109 SCHOOLS WENT TO DAYTONA BEACH TO COMPETE FOR THE NATIONAL TITLE. OUR MALE COLOR GUARD TEAM PLACED SECOND OVERALL IN THE OPEN COLOR GUARD COMPETITION OUT OF 33 TEAMS. FEMALE COLOR GUARD PLACED 18th OVERALL. BE IT PROCLAIMED THAT THE COUNCIL, THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE RECOGNIZES AUGUST 2023 AS CIBOLA HIGH SCHOOL JROTC MONTH. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. [ APPLAUSE ] I DID WANT TO GIVE THE MASTER SERGEANT A CHANCE TO SAY A FEW WORDS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO. BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO, WE WOULD LOVE YOU TO. >> [ INAUDIBLE ] >>COUN. LEWIS: THANKS SO MUCH. WE WOULD LOVE TO SHAKE YOUR HANDS. IF YOU WOULD MAKE YOUR WAY AROUND, THE COUNCILORS WOULD LOVE TO SHAKE YOUR HANDS. I TELL YOU WHAT, SINCE I MESSED THAT UP, LET'S STAND UP AND GIVE THEM A HAND. [ APPLAUSE ] >>COUN. LEWIS: MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, I JUST WANT TO THANK THE PARENTS FOR COMING DOWN TOO. YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY THE NEXT FIVE HOURS FOR OUR COUNCIL MEETING. I UNDERSTAND YOU PROBABLY HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO. THANK YOU, AGAIN. THANKS SO MUCH AND CONGRATULATIONS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR LEWIS. CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU ALL. WHAT YOU'RE DOING FOR OUR COUNTRY IS -- WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I WISH YOU THE VERY BEST. COUNCILOR DAVIS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I WANT TO INVITE SOME SPECIAL GUESTS STARTING WITH THE FORMER CITY ALUM. MS. TAYLOR AND HER GUESTS AND OTHERS. COUNCILORS, I WANT TO INTRODUCE MS. ADAMS. SHE'S RUTH ADAMS DAUGHTER, BEFORE I WAS ON THE CITY COUNCIL, SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE WORKED WITH RUTH OVER THE YEARS. SHE WAS A CITY COUNCILLOR FOR TWO TERMS IN THE SOUTHEAST HEIGHTS AND ALL SOUTH AND INSTRUMENTAL TO SET THE PATH FORWARD TO MAKE OUR INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE. PASSIONATE ABOUT THE WORK AND ABOUT THE CHILDREN. SHE RECENTLY PASSED AND DID A MOMENT OF SILENCE ADD THE LAST MEETING. HER FAMILY HAPPENED TO BE IN TOWN. MS. TAYLOR REACHED OUT TO ASK IF WE CAN TAKE A MOMENT TO REMEMBER AND RECOGNIZE ALL THE GREAT WORK RUTH HAS DONE. I WANT TO READ THIS PROCLAMATION AND WE HAVE FOLLOW UPS WE WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU. WHEREAS, MS. RUTH ADAMS WAS ELECTED TO CITY COUNCIL IN 1991 AND SERVED TWO TERMS FOR DISTRICT SIX. AND WHEREAS, COUNCILOR ADAMS DETERMINED TO MAKE THE CENTRAL MISSION OF HER TENURE IMPROVEMENT IN THE LIVES OF PEOPLE THAT LIVED IN THE SOUTHEAST NEIGHBORHOOD DESCRIBED AS THE OLD WAR ZONE, AND WHEREAS COUNCILLOR ADAMS DESIGNED AND BUILT THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND BUILD THE SOUTHEAST APD AREA COMMAND. AND COUNCILOR ADAMS SUPPORTED THE FIRST MOBILE CRIME LAB FOR APD. AND WHEREAS, SHE ADOPTED FUNDING FOR THE CRIME PREVENTION THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL DESIGN IMPROVEMENTS DESIGNED TO REDUCE DRIVE-BY CRIME. I WHEREAS SUPPORTED FUNDING TO DESIGN, RENOVATE AND EXPAND HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICE CENTER WHICH IMPORTANT TO SO MANY FAMILIES. AND WHEREAS SHE WORKED WITH THE COMMUNITY TO ELIMINATE THE WORDS FROM WAR ZONE AND BEGIN THE PROCESS TO REDEFINE AND PROIZ THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT FOR ALL THE DEVERSETY OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE. SO, BE IT PROCLAIMED THAT THE CITY COUNCIL, THE GOVERNING BODY OF ALBUQUERQUE HONORS RUTH ADAM FOR IMPROVING THE HEALTH, SAFETY, AND QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE CITIZENS OF SOUTHEAST NEIGHBORHOOD THAT SHE SERVED. AND LAYING THE FOUNDATIONS TO WHAT WE CALL THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT. WE ARE SO HONORED AND GRATEFUL FOR HER SERVICE. WHEN I GOT READY TO RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL YEARS AGO, FOLKS SAID YOU HAVE TO FIND RUTH. SHE WAS ON THE STREETS DOING STUFF. SHE KNOWS EVERYBODY. BY THEN, SHE HAD MOVED TO BE CLOSER TO FAMILY. HER LEGACY ENDURES BECAUSE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT REALLY DEFINES THE SERVICES THAT OUR CITY CREATED FOR SOUTHEAST PART OF ALBUQUERQUE, RUTH MADE SURE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD GOT THEIR DUE. AND WAS TIRELESS AND PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. I KNOW MS. TAYLOR AND LIZ SHARED WONDERFUL STORIES WITH ME. SO, WE HAVE THIS PROCLAMATION THIS EVENING TO HONOR HER AND RECOGNIZE HER. WE HAVE A RESOLUTION THAT WE'RE GOT INTRODUCE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE ADMINISTRATION THAT WE INTEND TO HOPEFULLY RENAME THE EAST CENTRAL HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICE CENTER THE RUTH ADAMS SOCIAL SERVICE CENTER FOR HELPING MOVE THE NEIGHBORHOODS FORWARD. WE APPRECIATE THE WORK SHE DID. THANK YOU. [ APPLAUSE ] >> MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I DIDN'T THINK THIS WAS GOING TO BE SO EMOTIONAL. THANK YOU FOR HONORING MY MOTHER. I'M HERE WITH MY GOOD FRIEND BARBARA WHO WAS GOOD FRIENDS WITH MY MOTHER. THERE ARE PEOPLE STILL INVOLVED WITH COUNCIL THAT KNEW MOM, BUT MANY DIDN'T KNOW HER. SHE WAS KNOWN AS RUTH THE TRUTH BY THE PRESS. AND THAT'S BECAUSE WHEN SHE SAT SAT THAT DESK SHE JUST TOLD IT LIKE IT WAS. SHE HAD THE CRAZY IDEA BACK IN THE 90s THAT MAYBE WE SHOULD LEGALIZE DRUGS. IMAGINE THAT. SHE WAS ABSOLUTELY GRILLED FOR IT. LOOK AT WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH CANNABIS THESE DAYS. SHE REALLY FOUGHT FOR LIVABLE WAGE FOR PEOPLE WHICH WAS AN IMPORTANT THING. MORE IMPORTANT TO HER WERE THE PEOPLE IN HER DISTRICT. WE KNOW THAT A CITY IS ITS PEOPLE. SHE CARED SO MUCH ABOUT PEOPLE. ALL PEOPLE. SHE TALKED TO ANYBODY AND EVERYONE. AND MADE LOTS OF FRIENDS IN DIFFERENT WALKS OF LIFE. HER REAL CONCERN WAS THAT -- DON'T STRIKE ME DOWN, RUTH, THE WAR ZONE. THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT. I HAVE LIVED IN THE DISTRICT TODAY. I WENT OVER SPEED BUMPS AND AROUND ROUND ABOUTS. I HAD TO SLOW DOWN ON THE STREETS. I JUST PASSED THE COMMUNITY CENTER. WHERE WENT BY THE HEALTH CLINIC AS WELL. I NOTICED YOU'RE DOING WORK ON THE PARK. AND I'M THINKING THAT IS GOING TO BE DONE FAIRLY SOON, I HOPE. THAT'S WHAT THE SIGNS SAY. I JUST WANTS TO THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING HER WORK. I THINK IT HAD LASTING EFFECT. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME THIS EVENING. I KNOW YOU HAVE A BUSY SCHEDULE AHEAD OF YOU. AND I ALSO LIKE TO THANK BARBARA. I HAVE MY FRIEND MARY AND HER HUSBAND STEVE HERE SUPPORTING ME. WE BOTH GRADUATED FROM HIGHLAND HIGH SCHOOL IN 1982. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO. IT IS HARD TO BE A CITY COUNCIL PERSON. IT'S HARD TO BE A PUBLIC SERVIENT. IT'S HARD TO BE A POLITICIAN THESE DAYS. SO, I APPRECIATE ALL YOU DO FOR MY CITY. I DON'T LIVE HERE ANYMORE. IT IS ALWAYS WILL STAY IN MY HEART. THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. [ APPLAUSE ] >> I JUST HAVE A SHORT STORY. AT THE END OF THE THE TERM, A FRIEND OF MINE WAS TEACHING AT THE UNIVERSITY OF PHOENIX AND SHE ASKED ME IF I THOUGHT RUTH WOULD COME AND TALK ABOUT CITY GOVERNMENT. AND OF COURSE SHE DID THAT. I INTRODUCED HER AND TALKED ABOUT THE WONDERFUL THINGS THAT SHE HAD DONE FOR HER DISTRICT. AND I STARTED OUT BY SAYING THERE USED TO BE A NEIGHBORHOOD IN ALBUQUERQUE CALLED THE WAR ZONE. AND RUTH ROLLS OUT OF HER CHAIR AND WAS READY TO THROW ME OUT OF THE ROOM. ON THE SPOT BECAUSE WHEN SHE GOT UP IT WAS NO LONGER KNOWN THAT WAY. AND INTERESTINGLY, THERE WAS ONE STUDENT IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM WHO WAS JUST DYING TO STAND UP AND SAY SOMETHING. AND WHEN RUTH STOOD UP, SHE STOOD UP AND SAID I LIVE THERE. AND MY CHILDREN CAN GO OUTSIDE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, ALL. AND LIZ, WE HOPE TO INVITE YOU BACK. WE HAVE RESOLUTION NAMING THROUGH THE CITY'S PROCESS. WE HOPE TO INVITE YOU BACK. ASSUMING THE COUNCIL APPROVES AND THE ADMINISTRATION GOES THROUGH THAT PART. SO WE CAN HONOR HER LEGACY. [ APPLAUSE ] >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. NOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO ADMINISTRATION QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD. COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR ADMIN? COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE ADMINISTRATION. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE TO REMIND YOU AND I WANT TO CIRCLE BACK, I HOPE, IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MEETINGS ABOUT THE SPOR ATTIC AND MISSED TRANSIT ROUTE THAT ARE STILL BEING PUBLISHED ON THE APP AND PEOPLE ARE THINKING WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PICK THEM UP AND THEN THEY CONTINUE TO BE AN ISSUE. I KNOW THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN WORKING ON IT. I STILL GET EMAILS THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT GETTING PICKED UP WHEN THEY SHOULD BE. I'M ADVOCATING FOR LESS ROUTES, FOR NOW, THAT ARE DEPENDABLE, THAN MORE ROUTES THAT ARE NOT DEPENDABLE. >>COUN. GROUT: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I JUST HAD A QUESTION IN REFERENCE TO WHAT'S GOING ON. THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE ADMINISTRATION. FOR THE CHIEF. FOR THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. RIGHT NOW, I GUESS THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON IN THE ACADEMY. I GUESS WE LOST FIVE ACADEMY INSTRUCTORS. WHAT'S GONE ON? WORD HAS IT FROM THE OFFICERS ON THE STREET AND ALSO SOME PEOPLE FROM THE POLICE ACADEMY, I DO HAVE CONTACT, WE HAD AN ISSUE WHERE THERE WAS AN INDIVIDUAL WHO ACTUALLY HAD SOME SORT OF DISCIPLINE. THAT INDIVIDUAL FILED SOME SORT OF EELC COMPLAINT WITH THE CITY AND FIVE INDIVIDUALS FROM THE POLICE ACADEMY WERE TRANSFERRED POSITIONS. RIGHT NOW, I'M CURIOUS AS WHO IS ACTUALLY WORKING THE POLICE ACADEMY, WHAT KIND OF EXPERIENCE THESE INDIVIDUALS HAVE. I SAW IN THE NEWSPAPER, THE MAYOR POSING WITH ALL OF THE CADETS. 50 CADETS IN THE POLICE ACADEMY. THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE -- I'M JUST WONDERING ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE MORALE. WHEN I WAS A POLICE OFFICER, THERE WAS NO TOLERANCE FOR LYING. THERE WAS NO TOLERANCE FOR DOING WRONG THINGS WHEN YOU'RE INVOLVED IN THE ACADEMY. AND NOW THERE'S A DOUBLE STANDARD WHERE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE. AND THOSE ARE THE ISSUES WE NEED TO DEAL WITH. WHAT MESSAGES ARE WE SENDING TO THE PUBLIC? WHAT MESSAGE ARE WE SENDING TO THE OTHER POLICE OFFICERS? THE SERGEANTS AND LIEU TENTANTS IT'S A MORAL ISSUE. AND THE MESSAGE IS EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY TROUBLING. BECAUSE NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT DOES NOT HAVE ACTUAL STANDARDS TO DEAL WITH CERTAIN SITUATIONS. THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE HIGH-RANKING, ALL THE DOWN TO LOW-RANKING INDIVIDUALS. I'M VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE MORALE. AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE MAYOR IS DOING TO DEAL WITH IT. >> MR. CHAIR, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, THERE ARE SOME ISSUES WHICH ARE UNDER INVESTIGATION AND ALSO THERE MIGHT BE SOME COURT CLAIMS. WE CANNOT COMMENT ON THAT. OTHER THAN THAT, THERE ARE SOME ITEMS WHICH WE CAN PROBABLY ADDRESS. I DEFER IT TO DC BROWN. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, NICE TO SEE EVERYBODY AFTER THE BREAK. KIND OF TALK ABOUT THE MORALE. SO, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED AT THE ACADEMY. THAT'S NOT WITHIN MY BUREAU. ONE OF THE THINGS WE DO DO IS WE HAVE THINGS WHERE WE TALK TO ALL THE OFFICERS. WE GOT DONE WRAPPING UP THOSE BRIEFINGS WHERE WE GO AND LAY OUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE DEPARTMENT AND OPEN UP TO THEM FOR QUESTIONS. WHEN I WAS DEPUTY CHIEF WAS ROUGH BECAUSE WE HAD QUESTIONS OF THE DEPARTMENT AND THE ADMINISTRATION. MOST OF IT COMES DOWN TO STAFFING LEVELS, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO FOR EQUIPMENT AND UPGRADES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THE MORAL OF THE DEPARTMENT AND MY TAKE ON IT, IT'S GETTING BETTER. AS FAR AS THE ACADEMY PORTION, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. IT'S NOT WITHIN MY BUREAU. WITH IT BOTH AN ACTIVE COMPLAINT, IT'S OUT OF MY WHEELHOUSE. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS I HAVE IS THIS IS EXTREMELY EMBARRASSING. WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH? OR IS IT THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF? THOSE ARE INTEGRITY ISSUES THAT HAVE MASSIVE RAMIFICATIONS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT. IT AFFECTS EVERYONE ON THE DEPARTMENT. FROM THE HIGHEST LEVELS ALL THE WAY TO THE LOWEST LEVELS. YOU'RE LOOKING AT INDIVIDUALS THINKING ABOUT APPLYING FOR THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND SEEING SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPEN IS JUST AN ABSOLUTE EMBARRASSMENT TO THE DEPARTMENT. TO THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING MR. SANJAY, WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO FIX THESE KINDS OF MAJOR ISSUES THAT ARE GOING ON WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. ESPECIALLY THE ACADEMY WHERE OUR BRAND NEW PEOPLE ARE VERY IMPRESSIONABLE AND THEY SEE SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPEN. THIS IS EXTREMELY DISTURBING TO ME. IT SHOULD BE EXTREMELY DISTURBING TO THE REST OF THE COUNCIL, AS WELL. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR CHIEF MEDINA. I KNOW HE'S NOT HERE. HE'S ON VACATION. THANKS FOR TURNING AROUND. I HAD THE PLEASURE OF GOING ON ANOTHER APD DWI TASK PLAN THE OTHER NIGHT. I STILL HAVE TO TELL YOU ALL THAT YOUR TEAMS ARE AMAZING. THEY'RE VERY RESPECTFUL OF THE COMMUNITY. THEY KNOW THEIR JOB. AND THEY DO IT VERY WELL. AND IT WAS ANOTHER GOOD NIGHT. I WANTED TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE LOTS OF PEOPLE STILL DRIVING AROUND WITHOUT LICENSE PLATES IN THE FOOTHILLS IN JULY THERE WERE 66 STOLEN VEHICLE REPORTS IN THE FOOTHILLS IN THE MONTH OF JULY. ARE THERE ANY PLANS TO DO A DRIVER'S LICENSE REGISTRATION AND INSURANCE PLAN IN THE NEAR FUTURE? I THINK THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL BECAUSE YOU HAVE SAID OFTENTIMES WHEN YOU PULL SOMEBODY OVER YOU FIND SOMETHING ELSE. >> YES, MA'AM. MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, GREAT QUESTION. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THINGS AS FAR AS TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT. THIS YEAR ALONE. WE'RE PRETTY MUCH OVER HALF OF WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR. WE ARE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT THINGS. I THINK WE'VE DONE PNEUMIOUS PLANS THAT DEALT WITH SPEEDING VIOLATIONS. AS THEY COME UP, AND THEY CHANGE THE PLAN, WE CONTINUE THOSE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. WE HAVE THAT COMING UP DURING BALLOON FIESTA AND A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT EVENTS. WE MAKE SURE THE OFFICERS ISSUE CITATIONS. WE DO PULL OVER CARS WITH NO LICENSE PLATE. LOT OF TIMES, NO INSURANCE, NARCOTICS AND FIREARMS ARE FOUND. AND ALSO STOLEN VEHICLES. IT IS ON THE HORIZON. >>COUN. GROUT: I HOPE IN THE NEAR FUTURE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, DEPUTY CHIEF. WHO IS THE RELEVANT POLICE CHIEF THAT HANDLES THAT? >> FOR YOUR QUESTION? MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, THAT WOULD BE DEPUTY CHIEF LOBE. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: IS SHE HERE TODAY? >> NO. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: MY QUESTION STILL STANDS. I'M GOING TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS QUESTION. MR. BACKTA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING IN REFERENCE TO THIS? >> COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAS AUTHORIZED AN INVESTIGATION. SO, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS YOU ASKED WAS DO WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. AND WE DON'T. WE ARE -- I'M GOING TO AWAIT THE RESULTS OF THAT INVESTIGATION. WE HAVE HIRED THE INVESTIGATOR. SHE STARTED HER INVESTIGATION. WE'RE REALLY WAITING FOR THE RESULTS BEFORE WE CAN COMMENT ON THAT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. LIKE I SAID BEFORE THE IMPACT IT'S GOING TO HAVE ON OUR DEPARTMENT IS VERY BIG. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AT THE HIGHER RANKING WITH THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. THAT'S IT FOR THAT. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. OKAY. MY NEXT QUESTIONS ARE FOR THE CFO. BECAUSE HE IS STANDING IN FOR MR. RAEL. I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THE BREAKDOWN FOR THE GROSS RECEIPTS PUBLIC SAFETY TAX. ACTUALLY, IT'S PUBLIC SAFETY QUARTER CENT TAX. I APPRECIATE GETTING ALL THAT INFORMATION. I FOUND IT VERY FASCINATING AND VERY INTERESTING. WHAT DO YOU THINK THE VOTERS INTENT IN 2003 WHEN THEY PASSED THAT TAX? DO YOU THINK IT WAS INTENDED FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT OR SALARY? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, I ACTUALLY HAVEN'T LOOKED INTO THAT WHAT WAS THE INTENT. I BELIEVE WE'RE SPENDING THE MONEY ACCORDING TO WHAT WAS IN THE ORDINANCE. AND WE DO HAVE THE REPORT BEING AUDITED EVERY YEAR AS PART OF ANNUAL AUDIT. AND WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE SINCE 2003 HOW WE ARE SPENDING THE MONEY. I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS OTHER THAN FCD SPEND MONEY ON WHAT IS INTENDED FOR. I BELIEVE WE CAN. THAT SAID, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN SPENT FROM FCD. AS FAR AS THE INTENT, I BELIEVE WE'RE MAKING THOSE CRITERIA, THEREFORE WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. THE PERCENTAGES FOR THE POLICE AND FIRE ARE VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD. THE QUESTIONS I REALLY HAVE ARE FOR THE 26% FOR CRIME PREVENTION. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE 26% HAS ALWAYS BEEN SPENT ON PROGRAMS AND FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES. THIS IS THE ONLY DEPARTMENT THAT HAS CRIME PREVENTION PROGRAMS? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, I THINK IT CAN BE SPENT IN ANY OF THE PROGRAMS WHICH ARE MEANT AND MEETS THE DEFINITION. HOWEVER, CURRENTLY, IT'S BEING SPENT FROM FCD ONLY. IF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS, WE'RE OPEN TO HAVING THE DISCUSSION. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. I WANT TO KNOW HOW THE CONTRACTS WITH THE EMERGENCY SHELTER PROVIDERS PREVENT CRIME. >> I THINK IT'S A PROACTIVE APPROACH OF PREVENTING THE CRIME. THOSE PROGRAMS DEFINITELY HELP US IN PREVENTING THE CRIME. I THINK YOU ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTION. >>COUN. GROUT: HOW ABOUT THE ALLOCATION FOR THE GIBSON MEDICAL CENTER, $3.38 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR 23, THAT FACILITY HAS HAVEN'T OFFERED SERVICE FOR SUBSTANCE ABUSE, YET. HOW HAS THOSE PENGSDTURES PREVENTED CRIME? >> FOR THAT, I INVITE DIRECTOR PIERCE, I BELIEVE SHE'S IN THE AUDIENCE. SHE HAS PLANNED ON SPENDING THE MONEY TO MEET THIS OBJECTIVE. SHAIZ I THINK SHE'S AROUND. >> COUNCILOR GROUT, THE QUESTION ABOUT HOW WOULD PUBLIC SAFETY DOLLARS BE HELPING US OVER AT GATEWAY. I THINK -- >>COUN. GROUT: HOW HAVE THE PENGSDTURES PREVENT EXPENDITURES PREVENTED CRIME? >> I THINK THE SERVICES WE'VE GOTTEN IS SIMILAR TO THE SHELTER WITH CALLING IT THE NAVIGATION CENTER BY KEEPING PEOPLE SAFE AND SURROUNDING THEM WITH THE SERVICES THEY NEED IS GETTING THEM OFF THE STREETS. I THINK THE SERVICES THAT WITH OUR FIRST RESPONDER DROPOFF WHICH THAT CONSTRUCTION IS HAPPENING TO BE OPENED LATER THIS YEAR. THAT TOO WILL HELP. THAT IS A PLACE TO TAKE PEOPLE WHO IS DOWN-AND-OUT. RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE A PLACE EXCEPT EMERGENCY ROOMS FOR THOSE PEOPLE TO GO. THAT KEEPS THEM OFF THE STREETS AND CONNECTS THEM TO SERVICE. >>COUN. GROUT: IT'S KEEPING THEM OFF THE STREET, HOW IS IT PREVING CRIME? >> BY SURROUNDING PEOPLE WITH HAD SERVICES THEY NEED AND FINDING OUT WHAT SERVICES THEY DO NEED AS PREVENTING CRIME BY GIVING THEM CONNECTION AND SERVICES. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THE QUARTER-CENT TAX GENERATED $56 MILLION LAST YEAR. $14.5 MILLION IS RESERVED FOR CRIME PREVENTION. YET WE'RE ASKING BUSINESSES TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY TO THEIR OWN CRIME PREVENTION. WOULD THAT MONEY BE BETTER SPENT ON THE REAL TIME CRIME CENTER OR LOCAL SECURITY TO HELP LOCAL BUSINESSES? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, I THINK IT'S PRETTY SUBJECTIVE DISCUSSION. AND I THINK THERE'S NO PERFECT SOLUTION. THERE'S NO PERFECT USE OF THIS MONEY. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE ARE OPEN TO DISCUSS AND WE -- IF THERE IS ONE WAY TO SPEND WHICH IS PROBABLY GIVING US MORE BANG ON THE BUCK, WE'RE OPEN TO DIVERTING THAT MONEY. HOWEVER, WE BELIEVE THAT THE WAY IT IS APPROPRIATED RIGHT NOW, IT'S WORKING WELL. AS I MENTIONED, IT'S OPEN TO DISCUSSION IN THE FUTURE. >>COUN. GROUT: I THINK WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PUBLIC SAFETY TAX ADVISORY BOARD. HOW MANY TIMES HAS THAT BOARD MET SINCE IT WAS FORMED IN 2019? A GUESS IS FINE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, IN 2019, LET ME PUT THIS WAY. PRIOR TO 2019, THERE WAS NO ONE ON THE BOARD. THE ADMINISTRATION HAS THE ABILITY TO APPOINT PEOPLE. IN 2019 AND 2020 WE DID APPOINT THE PEOPLE ON THAT BOARD. NOW THERE ARE TWO VACANCIES WHICH ARE AT LARGE APPOINTMENTS. I THINK THAT'S THE TASK OF THE COUNCIL. TO APPOINT THOSE AND I BELIEVE YOUR QUESTION WAS ARE WE ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS. I THINK THAT PROCESS IS WITH THE COUNCIL. AND YOU KNOW, IF YOU NEED ANY ASSISTANCE WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO. THERE ARE TWO POSITIONS VACANT. BECAUSE THOSE ARE VACANT THERE HAD NOT BEEN ANY MEETINGS. >>COUN. GROUT: ARE THERE ANY MINUTES FOR ANY OF THE MEETINGS? >> AS I MENTIONED, COUNCILOR GROUT, THERE HAD BEEN NO MEETINGS. >>COUN. GROUT: SO IT OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T MEET REGULARLY. SO ACCORDING TO AN OC THAT COUNCILOR BENTON PUT FORTH IN 2019, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BRING FORTH RECOMMENDATIONS IN JANUARY THAT TASK FORCE ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS SUPPOSED TO MEET AND BRING RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BUDGET FOR THE NEXT YEAR. SO, I WOULD LIKE FOR THAT THOSE TWO POSITIONS FILLED BY TWO PEOPLE FROM COUNCIL RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEN THEY NEED TO GET -- THEY NEED TO MEET. IT NEEDS TO BE ON THE WEBSITE. I LOOKED THERE AND THERE'S NOTHING THERE. WE NEED TO BE FOLLOWING THOSE ORDINANCES WE PUT FORTH. WE NEED TO TAKE A BETTER LOOK HOW WE ARE SPENDING THE GROSS RECEIPTS OR PUBLIC SAFETY TAX MONEY FOR CRIME PREVENTION. I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. YES MA'AM. >>COUN. BASSAN: HOW MUCH DID YOU SAY WAS SPENT AT THE GATEWAY? >>COUN. GROUT: $3.38 MILLION IN FISCAL YEAR '23. >>COUN. BASSAN: I KNOW NORMY WE DON'T DISCUSS TOTE AL, AT THE SAME TIME, JUDGING BY THAT INFORMATION AND THE RESPONSE WE GOT ABOUT PREVENTING CRIME, I'M GOING BACK TO, ARE WE STILL HELPING 50 PEOPLE AT THE GATEWAY CENTER? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, I THINK -- DIRECT. >>COUN. BASSAN: FOR THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY COMING FROM SOMETHING THAT IS SUPPOSED TO PREVENT CRIME, I STRUGGLE. >> COUNCILOR GROUT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, AS I'M LOOKING AT THE DETAIL FOR THE QUARTER CENT TAX, IT'S SOBERING, RESPITE AND HOUSING NAVIGATION CENTER. WE'RE AT CAPACITY FOR 50 PEOPLE. TODAY'S COUNT WAS 43. THAT PUBLIC SAFETY, THOSE ARE SERVICES THAT AREN'T EXISTING IN THE COMMUNITY NOW. YOU'RE EITHER ON THE STREET BEING AFFECTED BY BEING ON THE STREET OR WE CAN GET YOU CONNECTED TO WHAT YOU NEED WHICH IS THE MEDICAL SOBERING GATEWAY OR RESPITE. I WANT TO MAKE THE CONNECTION, THOSE ARE GAPS. NOBODY IS PROVIDING THAT IN THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW. DEFINITELY GOING TO HELP WITH THE SAFETY NET REPLATEERATE -- RELATE TODAY PUBLIC SAFETY. >>COUN. BASSAN: IS THIS FOR OPERATIONAL FUNDS OR CAPITAL FUNDS? THIS $3.8 MILLION? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, I BELIEVE IT IS FOR OPERATIONS. >>COUN. BASSAN: HOW ARE WE OPERATING A MEDICAL RESPITE AND SOBERING CENTER WHEN THEY DON'T EXIST? WHY ARE WE USING THAT MONEY TO DO SO? >> I THINK WE NEED TO GET STRAIGHT WHETHER IT'S CAPITAL OR OPERATIONAL FUNDS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, I'D BE HAPPY TO CIRCLE BAG IN THE NEXT COUPLE WEEKS. >>COUN. DAVIS: DIRECTOR PIERCE. THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I THINK THEY ARE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS. WE SHOULD VISIT THIS. MAYBE YOU KNOW, IN THE ADMINISTRATION, WE HAVEN'T GONE TO THE COMMITTEE. IN THE ADMINISTRATION'S ANALYSIS OF THE USE OF THOSE FUNDS, FOR CRIME PREVENTION DOLLARS, IS IT THE ADMINISTRATION'S ASSESSMENT THAT MEDICAL ADDICTION IS A CRIME WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT BY USING CRIME PREVENTION TREATMENT? HOW ARE WE MAKING THE LEAP? SURELY THE ADMINISTRATION DID AN ANALYSIS ON HOW WE DID THAT. THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. >> IF I MAY, COUNCILOR DAVIS, NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. LET ME CLARIFY. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. SO, WHAT OUR POINT IS THIS IS A GAP IN THE COMMUNITY. IF PEOPLE THAT DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO GO FOR MEDICAL SOBERING, THEY'RE DISCHARGED, THEY'RE ON THE STREETS. IF PEOPLE ARE ON THE STREETS THEY'RE SUBJECTED TO MORE CRIME OR TRYING TO MAKE THEIR LIFE WORK. WE'RE SAYING THAT IF WE CAN GET CONNECTED AND FILL THE GAPS IN THE COMMUNITY FOR THE SERVICES THAT PEOPLE NEED THAT IS A POTENTIAL CRIME STRATEGY. NOT SAYING THAT PEOPLE WHO NEED MEDICAL SOBERING OR RESPITE OR NEED TO BE IN THE HOUSING NAVIGATION CENTER THAT THOSE ARE CRIMES. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, I UNDERSTAND THAT. I'M NOT GOING TO BELABOR THE POINT. IT SEEMS LIKE A STRETCH. THERE'S LOTS OF OTHER DOLLARS TO BE USED FOR THAT. I HAVE A GRADUATE DEGREE IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE PROGRAMS. I NEVER HEARD OF SOMEBODY SUGGESTING THAT MEDICAL TREATMENT OF ALCOHOLISM OR ADDICTION IS A CRIME PREVENTION STRATEGY. IT'S A PUBLIC HEALTH STRATEGY. WE'VE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO SEPARATE THOSE TWO. I DON'T DISAGREE IT'S A NEED. IT SEEMS LIKE A STRETCH TOO FAR. THAT'S WHERE THE VICE PRESIDENT IS GOING WITH THAT. I'D LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT CONVERSATION TOO. I THINK IT'S A STRETCH. WE USE THESE FOR YOUTH PROGRAMS BEFORE. THAT MAKES SENSE AS A GANG PREVENTION TOOL. WE USE THESE IN THE SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY SCHOOLS INITIATIVES TO DO THOSE THINGS BEFORE. I'M NOT AWARE WE'VE EVER USED CRIME PREVENTION DOLLARS IN ALL THE YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE FOR PUBLIC HEALTH STRATEGIES. TO PREVENT VICTIMIZATION, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE CLOSEST WAY. IT SEEMS LIKE A STRETCH. I WOULD LOVE TO REVISIT THAT. THAT HAPPENINGS THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP. >>COUN. PEÑA: SO, UNDER THE PUBLIC SAFETY TAX, AND I KNOW WHEN THIS PASSED, I HAD ACTUALLY PUT IN THE AMENDMENT WITHIN THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE THE WAY PEOPLE DEFINE PUBLIC SAFETY IS NOT A CRIME BILL. FOR ME, PUBLIC SAFETY COMES IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT ROUNDS. PREVENTING, INTERVENTION EFFORTS. TALKING ABOUT HOW TO MAKE THE PUBLIC SAFE. I WAS LOOKING FOR THE LEGISLATION NOW. I CAN'T SEEM TO LOCATE IT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR IT WASN'T A CRIME PREVENTION BILL. IT WAS A PUBLIC SAFETY BILL. AND SO, I JUST FOR CLARITY PURPOSES AND KNOWING I WAS INTENT ON PUTTING THE AMENDMENT, JUST TO TALK ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, THIS ISN'T ABOUT GETTING MORE COPS AND DOING ALL THIS STUFF. PUBLIC SAFETY IS A MULTI-FACETED WAY OF ADDRESSING THE PUBLIC SAFETY IN THE COMMUNITY. WHETHER WE TALKED ABOUT CRIME PREVENTION EFFORTS OR KEEPING OUR BUS STOPS CLEAN. HELPING PEOPLE WHO ARE SUFFERING FROM ADDICTIONS. I THINK TRYING TO ALLUDE TO THAT. SUFFERING FROM ABUSE. THOSE ARE WAYS OF PREVENTING FURTHER CRIME IN THE COMMUNITY. AND IT'S IN THE BILL, BUT THERE'S A CLAUSE THAT TALKS ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT TALKS ABOUT THE LAST PART OF IT SAYS, YEAH. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT. I THINK WHEN WE'RE SAYING -- DOES IT SAY THAT IN THERE? I COULDN'T FIND IT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE -- YEAH. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR PEÑA. COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. YEAH, I MEAN WE HAD THAT BILL BACK IN 2019. I WAS TRYING TO CALL ATTENTION AGAIN. AND AS I RECALL, THE ORIGINAL TAX WAS INTENDED TO BE BEYOND JUST POLICING. OR FIRE. IT WAS INTENDED TO -- I DISAGREE WITH THE ARGUMENT THIS IS NOT CRIME PREVENTION IN THAT WHAT I OBSERVE AT LEAST ON A DAILY BASIS READING AND WATCHING THE NEWS IS THAT MUCH OF THE CRIME GOES BACK TO BROKEN INDIVIDUALS AND BROKEN FAMILIES. AND LACK OF SUPERVISION OF CHILDREN AND THING LIKE THAT. I MEAN, THESE ARE RESULTS OFFENSE SOCIAL ISSUES. WHETHER IT'S ADDICTION OR MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT PUBLIC ART. WITH THE RAIL TRAIL AND THAT NO -- -- WILL THE PUBLIC ART PIECE GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC ART PROCESS WITH AN RFP AND A SELECTION COMMITTEE? OR HAS THE SYMBOL BEEN PURCHASED FOR THAT SPACE? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, WE HAVE JENNIFER FROM DMD. >> HI. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR DAVIS, AND COUNCILOR GROUT. I'M MRA -- TERRY BRUNER IS NOT HERE. IN DMD WE'RE SUPPORTING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE RAIL TRAIL TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. THE NEONTUMBLE WEED YOU REFERENCED WOULD BE PLACED AT CENTRAL CROSSING. IT IS BEING DESIGNED BY THE CITY'S DESIGN TEAM. WILSON AND COMPANY, AND SUBCONSULTANT ARCHITECTS. THEY WERE SELECTED THROUGH THE CITY'S SELECTION ADVISORY COMMITTEE PROCESS FOR SELECTING ARCHITECTS. THAT'S BEING DESIGNED AS PART OF THE TRAIL AND HAS NOT GONE THROUGH THE PUBLIC ART PROCESS. BUT THERE WILL BE ART ON THE TRAIL FROM THAT PROCESS THAT IS GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW. >>COUN. GROUT: WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN NEON TUMBLEWEED. >> THAT IS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. BUT IT IS STILL IN DESIGN. >>COUN. GROUT: I THINK WE SHOULD REVISIT THAT. >> NOTED. >>COUN. GROUT: WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE REACHING OUT TO US AND ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. I AM TOO. THANK YOU. PLEASE TAKE THAT BACK TO YOUR PEOPLE. >> ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: I HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS LEFT. FROM DIRECTOR WHELAN OR DIRECTOR GALLEGOS FROM SOLID WASTE. A YEAR AGO I MENTIONED -- WE HAVE THE NEW MEXICO STATE FAIR COMING TO TOWN IN TWO WEEKS. AND I'M SO CONCERNED ABOUT CENTRAL. AND WHAT I SEE EVERYDAY. I CONTINUE TO SEE IT EVERYDAY SINCE WE HAD THE MAJOR RAIN A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND THE INTERSTATE HAS BEEN IMPACTED, I AM GOING TO WORK DOWN CENTRAL AND HOME UP CENTRAL. AND IT'S JUST TERRIBLY SAD. IT'S NOT OKAY. SO MY QUESTION IS, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT CLEANING UP CENTRAL FOR THE FAIR? MY NEXT QUESTION IS HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT INVITING OUR PARTNERS AT BCSO, THE STATE, AND CONSTITUENT EVEN SAID SHOULD WE CALL THE NATIONAL GUARD. IT'S REALLY NOT GOOD. AND IT'S GROWING SOUTH OF CENTRAL, NORTH OF CENTRAL AND IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS, IT'S GOING PAST LOUISIANA OR LOMAS ON LOUISIANA. I HAVE CONVERSATIONS ALL THE TIME WITH A COUPLE OF PEOPLE. AND IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS UP SAN PEDRO I'M GETTING INUNDATED WITH THIS. IT'S NOT OKAY. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, AS WE DISCUSSED WE HAVE DEDICATED TEAMS ON CENTRAL EVERY DAY. GOING UP AND DOWN CENTRAL CLEANING UP WHETHER IT'S ILLEGAL DUMPING, HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS. WE HAVE OUR SIX YARD TRUCKS. I WAS OUT THERE TODAY AT 33:30. WE CONTINUE TO GO UP AND DOWN THE COREDORE TO CLEAN. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON. WE ARE OUT THERE DAILY. WE HAVE TWO TRUCKS DEDICATED, THEY START THEIR TRUCK THERE AND END THE DAY THERE. FOR THE FAIR WE'RE WORKING WITH TRANSIT TO MAKE SURE THE BUS STOPS LONG THE CORRIDOR ARE ALSO CLEAN. FROM CITY RESOURCES STANDPOINT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES. I KNOW SOMETIMES IT MAY NOT LOOK LIKE ANYTHING IS BEING DONE. IF THOSE TRUCKS WEREN'T OUT THERE EVERY DAY, MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY, IT WOULD BE A LOT WORSE. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO THE EFFORT. WE'VE GOT UP TO EIGHT TRUCKS ALREADY. AND WE HAVE FOUR MORE ON ORDER COMING. AND AS THEY COME WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DEPLOY RESOURCES TO TRY AND HELP CLEAN THAT AREA UP. AS FAR AS THE STATE FAIR AND INCORPORATING OTHER DEPARTMENTS, I KNOW WE DO WORK WITH BCSO AND WE WORK WITH THE STATE TO HELP DURING THE STATE FAIR BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF MANPOWER IT TAKES TO BE THERE. SO, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY HAS DONE AND CONTINUE TO DO. AS FAR AS EMPLOYING THE NATIONAL GUARD THAT WOULD TAKE THE GOVERNOR. >>COUN. GROUT: I UNDERSTAND. THAT'S WHAT WE DO. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO. I DO KNOW YOU GO OUT THERE. I THINK WE NEED MORE HELP OUT THERE. THAT'S MY POINT. I CAN TELL YOU THAT I'VE BEEN WATCHING ONE SPECIFIC AREA, ACTUALLY A LOT OF THEM, BUT ONE AREA I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I BET YOU AND I CAN GO OUT TO CENTRAL AND PENNSYLVANIA, EAST OF PENNSYLVANIA ON THE NORTH SIDE AND THAT GUTTER RIGHT THERE IS SO FULL OF TRASH AND IT'S JUST PILING UP. THAT HASN'T BEEN REMOVED DAILY. I'VE BEEN WATCHING IT. >> COUNCILOR GROUT, I WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT FIRST THING IN THE MORNING. I KNOW WE'VE BEEN OUT THERE AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO BE OUT THERE. IF THERE'S ANY AREAS LIKE THAT, PLEASE LET US KNOW. WE CONTINUE TO GO. AND I KNOW THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THAT AREA OF PENNSYLVANIA AND CENTRAL, WE DO HAVE SOME PROBLEMATIC AREAS THAT DO HAVE REFUSE CANS THAT ARE OVERWHELMED. AND SOME OF THEM ARE BEHIND FENCES AND PEOPLE ILLEGALLY DUMP THERE. WE WILL CONTINUE AND WE WILL NOT STOP. WE'LL BE OUT THERE EVERY DAY. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. WE HAVE VISITORS COMING TO THE FAIR IN TWO WEEKS. THEY GET OFF ON LOUISIANA AND GO SOUTHBOUND AND I WANT THEM TO SEE A CLEAN CITY AND WANT THEM TO FEEL SAFE WHEN THEY BRING THEIR CHILDREN HERE. I WANT THEM TO NOT BE SCARED. NOT ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE SCARY PEOPLE. A LOT OF THEM ARE. AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC IS SAFE. SO, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE REACH OUT TO YOUR COUNTER PARTS AND SEE IF YOU CAN HAVE HELP. I SEE THE NEW MEXICO STATE GOING AROUND WITH CARTS ALL AROUND THAT PROPERTY. THE NEW MEXICO STATE IS TAKING CARE DIRECTLY OF THEIR IMMEDIATE AREA. WE AS A CITY NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, WE'LL DEFINITELY UP OUR EFFORTS. AS WE INCREASE NOT JUST MAN POWER BUT VEHICLES WE'LL CONTINUE TO ADDRESS THAT AREA AS WE GET TOWARD IT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S ALL. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. I HAVE A QUESTION ALSO FOR ACS. >> GOOD EVENING. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. I NEEDED TO GET AN IDEA FROM YOU IF WE'VE HAD -- I'VE BEEN WATCHING THE INTERSECTIONS OF COORS AND CENTRAL. ATRISCO AND CENTRAL. ILIFF AND COORS. OURAY AND COORS. I HAVE NOT SEEN AN ACS UNIT IN THE LAST 130 DAYS IN THAT AREA. THERE IS EXTREME AMOUNT OF ACTIVITY IN EVERY ONE OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE LOCATIONS. NOT NECESSARILY THE BUS STOP. WE HAVE A WALGREENS. WE HAVE THE PIZZA HUT THAT HAS INDIVIDUALS THERE. PEOPLE CAN'T GO TO AN ATM IN THAT INTERSECTION WITHOUT FEELING AFRAID. UP AND DOWN ATRISCO AND CENTRAL THERE'S INDIVIDUALS ALL OVER THE PLACE CONGREGATING. I SEE IT AT ILIFF, YET I DON'T SEE ACS. I HAVEN'T SEEN AN ACS UNIT DRIVING ON THE WEST SIDE IN OVER A HUNDRED DAYS. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I'M HAPPY TO SEND YOU DATA SO IT WILL SHOW THE PINPOINTS WHERE WE HAVE BEEN ON THE WEST SIDE. DESPITE THE DATA, WHERE I THINK EVERYONE IS FEELING STRETCH. WE HEARD FROM COUNCILOR GROUT IN REGARD TO LOUISIANA AND LOMAS WHICH MY TEAM IS SPENDING MORNINGS THERE FIRST THING IN THE MORNING. WE CAN PUT OURSELVES CLOSER ON THE WEST SIDE. THAT WAS OUR HOPE. WE TALKED ABOUT TAKING OVER OLD FIRE STATION 14 TO GIVE MORE OF THAT ATTENTION ON THE WEST SIDE. WE DEFINITELY WILL PUT MORE TIME INTO THAT LOCATION. IT DEFINITELY IS A STRETCH. WITH THE CALLS WE'RE TAKING FROM 911 AND THE 311 CALLS, IT'S PULLING TEAMS LEFT AND RIGHT. WE ARE DOING GRAVEYARD THIS WEEKEND. SO, EXCITING NEWS. ALSO, IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO STRETCH. WE'RE REALLY HOPING TO CONTINUE TO REALLY FINISH OUR HIRING. WE'RE ALMOST THERE. WE'RE ABOUT 80% DONE. WE'RE PUSHING REALLY HARD. WE'LL MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THOSE LOCATIONS. AND I'LL SEND YOU SOME DATA SO YOU CAN SEE ALL THE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS WE'RE GOING TO. THERE ARE SOME 911 CALLS THAT WE'RE GOING OUT TO THOSE AREAS NEAR THE LOCATIONS WHICH ARE PROBLEM AREAS. WE'RE WORKING WITH DIFFERENT PARTNERS TO ADDRESS THAT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I'M IN THE AREA ALL DAY LONG. I HAVE NOT SEEN AN ACS UNIT AT ALL. NOT EVEN DRIVING THE STREETS ON THE WEST SIDE. SO, I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IF YOU CAN GET -- IF YOU CAN ACTUALLY PUT A TEAM THERE. THAT TEAM SHOULD BOW ABLE TO WORK THERE ALL DAY, EVERY DAY FROM HERE UNTIL THE END OF TIME PROBABLY. IT'S THAT BAD. THAT BUSY. IF YOU PUT TWO OR THREE UNITS UP THERE, THEY WOULD STAY BUSY ALL DAY, THE WHOLE ENTIRE DAY. >> ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THERE'S A FEW HOT SPOTS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: IT IS EXTREMELY BAD. ANYTHING ELSE? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THAT'S IT. >>COUN. PEÑA: SO, I SEEN THE ARTICLE IN THE NEWS LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DID. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. HOW MANY SHIFTS DO YOU HAVE? >> WE HAVE TWO SHIFTS. AND THEY'RE RUNNING 7 A.M. TO 8 P.M. SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. >>COUN. PEÑA: HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ON ANY GIVEN SHIFT? >> WE RUN FOUR UNITS PER SHIFT. SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. THAT'S WORKING FIVE EIGHTS. CURRENTLY -- TWO PEOPLE TEAMS. WE HAVE FOUR TEAMS A SHIFT. THAT'S EIGHT INDIVIDUALS WORKING EACH SHIFT. AND THERE MIGHT BE DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESPONSE. OUR STREET OUTREACH TEAM IS FOUR INDIVIDUALS. WE'RE LOOKING TO BUILD THAT TEAM UP TO A TOTAL OF EIGHT INDIVIDUALS. THOSE ARE PEOPLE WE GOT THE NEW FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO DO HIRING WITH SO WE CAN -- >>COUN. PEÑA: HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU HAVE ON THE SHIFT CURRENTLY? >> WE HAVE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH UNITS, EIGHT INDIVIDUALS. ABOUT TEN TO TWELVE EACH SHIFT. THAT COVERS ALL OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, WHAT'S THE CONCENTRATION, I WAS UNDERSTANDING INITIALLY AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE'RE GOING TO BE PROACTIVE RATHER THAN JUST WAITING FOR THE CALLS TO COME IN. PEOPLE WOULD BE OUT THERE MAKING CONNECTIONS. JUST PROACTIVE RATHER THAN BASED ON CALLS. IS THAT OCCURRING OR NOT OCCURRING? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, IT'S BOTH. OUR 911 CALLS KEEP US BUSY PRETTY UP UNTIL THE END OF THE SHIFT. ENOUGH THAT WE HAVE TO KICK BACK CALLS TO APD AROUND 6 O'CLOCK. THAT KEEPS US BUSY. WE GET CALLS FIRST THING FROM DIFFERENT COUNCILORS. WE HIT THE MAJOR HOT SPOTS. CONSTITUENT CALLS. 311 CALLS. THEY PILE UP PRETTY HEAVILY ALSO. WHICH I KNOW YOU GUYS KNOW BECAUSE YOU GET THE EMAIL FROM THEM IF THEY DON'T GO OUT. THOSE BECOME PENDING. SO AFTER 911 CALLS, 311 CALLS, IF WE HAVE TIME WE DO PROACTIVE. I WILL TELL YOU THE PROACTIVE GETS LESS AND LESS CONSIDERING THE CALLS WE GET FROM 311, AND COUNCILORS, AND CONSTITCH WPTS. THAT THE REALITY OF WHERE WE'RE AT. I THINK EVERYPLACE IS FEELING IT. >>COUN. PEÑA: WHERE AT THE BULK OF YOUR CALLS COMING FROM? WHERE ARE THE BULK COMING FROM? >> MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, MOST OF THE CALLS ARE LITERALLY THE CENTRAL CORRIDOR. YOU'LL SEE ON THE LIVE DATA SHEETS YOU'LL SEE THE DATA SHEETS ONLINE. THEY START WITH 98th ALL THE WAY UP TO TRAMWAY. THAT'S THAT BIG AREA. SOMETIMES SOUTH VALLEY. WE'LL HIT THE SOUTH VALLEY. BUT TYPICALLY IT'S REALLY DOWN CENTRAL. ALL THE WAY UP. >>COUN. PEÑA: TEN PEOPLE PER SHIFT, MOSTLY ON CENTRAL. I'VE SEEN THE BUS SECURITY ON CENTRAL. THAT'S BEEN PLEASANT. SIMILAR TO WHAT COUNCILOR SANCHEZ IS SAYING, IF THE BULK OF THESE CALLS ARE COMING FROM THERE, ANY PROACTIVENESS. EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS IT'S NO NEWS, THEY GO UP AND DOWN CENTRAL ALL THE TIME. IT'S UNFORTUNATE WHEN WE DON'T SEE THE ACS OUT THERE. I GO OFTEN ENOUGH TO I NOTICE THE METRO SECURITY, AND THEY'RE OUT THERE AND THEY'RE CONNECTING WITH PEOPLE. I WAS HOPING IT WOULD SEE A LOT MORE OF THAT WHEN WE ACTUALLY APPROVE THIS. I WOULD JUST BE INTERESTED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE -- YOU HAVE TEN PEOPLE, TWO SHIFTS. YOU'RE GOT GO TO FULL TIME. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HOW -- IF WE'RE HAVING FIRE GO OUT, METRO SECURITY GO OUT, MAYBE WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB OF WHERE WE PUT THOSE RESOURCES. MAYBE ACS NOW GOES MORE PROACTIVE TO WHERE YOU COVER ALL THE BASES. I'M NOT TRYING TO SAY WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. REALLY, I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE HELPFUL TO HAVE BECAUSE I KNOW FIRE AND POLICE GO OUT. AND THEN ACS GOES OUT. AND FIRE IS DOG A LOT OF PROVIDING THE SERVICES AS WELL. JUST THINK MAYBE DOWN THE LINE I THINK DOWN -- ALL HANDS ON DECK IS BENEFICIAL. >> MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, I AGREE. WE'RE ALSO TALKING TOO THE LARGEST OF THE CITY AT ANY GIVEN STOP YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A POLICE OFFICER OR FIREFIGHTER. I'VE GOT 80 PEOPLE ON THE STREET ACROSS THE CITY. NOT TO SOUND DEFENSIVE, BUT OUR TEAMS ARE REALLY OUT THERE HUSTLING. WE HAVE THE DATA. WE JUST WENT TO A CALL THAT WAS WAY OUT OF LEAGUE IN REGARD TO A SOUTH VALLEY THAT WAS ON THE BORDER AND I SENT MY TEAM AT 8 O'CLOCK WHEN THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO END THEIR SIFT WITH AN ELDERLY MAN WHO DIDN'T REALIZE HE HAD AN UTI AND WAS HAVING ISSUES. THE DECISION-MAKING ISSUE. THAT TEAM STAYED UNTIL 10 O'CLOCK HELPING THAT MAN. IF I PULL THEM OFF, THAT MAN SUFFERS FROM A 911 CALL THAT WOULD SAVE HIS LIFE. I UNDERSTAND THE WANT TO BE VISUAL. WE'RE WORKING HARD THROUGH TRYING TO NOT BE TOO UNIFORM-CENTRIC AND TOO ENFORCEMENT WITH LIGHTS ON THE CAR. KEEP AN EYE OUT. WE SEE THEM. IT'S HARD SOMETIMES. I LOOK FOR THEM TOO TO SEE IF I CAN VIEW THEM. AND I LOOK FOR THE GPS. WE'RE REALLY WORKING ON THAT HARD. WE'LL MAKE SURE TO PATSZ BY YOUR AREA. WE GET A LOT OF THANK YOU OUT THERE AND PEOPLE ARE REALLY HUSTLING. WE'RE LOOKING AT A DEPARTMENT COMPARABLE TO FIRE AND APD WHO HAVE 300 COPS AT ANY GIVEN HOUR. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. I REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH SOUTH VALLEY. SOUTHWEST MESA. >> WHOEVER IS SOUTH VALLEY. THAT HAS BEEN A BIG STOP FOR US. >>COUN. GROUT: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. LET'S MOVE TO THE JOURNAL. I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE AUGUST 7th JOURNAL. EVERYBODY'S HERE. ALL IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. ANY OPPOSED? THAT MOTION CARRIES. MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, MA'AM. NEXT UP IS COMMUNICATION AND INTRODUCTIONS. COUNCILORS, ANY CHANGES TO THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION. LET ME GET US STARTED. I MOVE THE RULES SUSPENDED FOR PLACE EC30. THAT'S AUTHORIZATION TO SUBMIT A PROFESSIONAL TECHNICAL AGREEMENT WITH ALBUQUERQUE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TO PROVIDE SUBSTANCE USE TREATMENT. I MOVE A RULE SUSPENSION. THERE IS THERE A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. THAT MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. COUNCILOR GROUT. [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. COMMITTEES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THE FINANCE AND GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS COMMITTEE MET ON MONDAY AUGUST 14 AND REPORTS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. IN THE MATTER OF EC-337, AND O-83 THAT THEY BE WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION. IN THE MATTER OF EC-338, THAT IT BE APPROVED. ASK THE IN THE MATTER OF R-149, 150, 157, AND 153, DO PASS. R-155, DO PASS AS AMENDED. I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE REPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE COMMITTEE REPORTS? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT IS UNANIMOUS. MADAM CHAIR, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THE LAND USE PLANNING ZONING CAN COMMITTEE MET ON AUGUST 16. IN THE MATTER OF R-156 DO PASS. AND IN THE MATTER OF R-158 DO PASS AND BE ACTED ON AT THE NEXT MEETING WHICH IT WAS REPORTED. I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE REPORTS. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND. ANY OPPOSED? THAT IS UNANIMOUS. ANY DEFERRALS OR WITHDRAWALS AT THIS TIME? GOING TWICE, SEEING NONE. ANY CHANGES TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. I THINK WE HAVE SEVERAL. AS A REMINDER, THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND CITY ALL THOSE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA NOMINATED TO SERVE ON A BOARD OR COMMISSION THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE. WE HAVE A LONG LIST. WE APPRECIATE EVERYBODY STEPPING UP TO HELP US GET OUR BUSINESS DONE. I'LL PULL OC-37 WHICH IS ITEM T OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR AN INDEPENDENT ACTION. COUNCILOR PEÑA, DO YOU HAVE A REQUEST? >>COUN. PEÑA: YES, MR. PRESIDENT. I PULL R-121. OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. >>COUN. DAVIS: DID I SKIP ANYONE ELSE? OKAY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. ITEMS PULLED. WE HAVE MOTION AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT IS UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU. COUNCILORS, I PULLED OC37 WHICH WAS ITEM T MR. JAMES COLLIE TO THE ETHICS AND BOARD. I MOVE CONFIRMATION. SECOND FROM COUNCILOR BENTON. WE HAD A TECHNICAL AMENDMENT. IT'S AVAILABLE ON YOUR PACKETS. I WOULD MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE TO OC23-37. THIS IS STATING ON PAGE ONE IN THE SECTION WHERE THE BOARD ELECTED PRESIDENT IS REPLACED WITH MR. JOHN KELLY. IT'S A SECRETARY OVERSIGHT THAT FAILED TO UPDATE THE NAME OF THE CURRENT PRESIDENT FROM THE LAST TIME WE MADE AN APPOINTMENT. I MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. MULTIPLE SECONDS. I HEARD COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN FIRST. I'LL TAKE THAT ONE. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE TO OC-2337. THAT MATTER CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. ARE THERE ANY OTHER CHANGES, QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THAT MATTER? SEEING NONE. WE NEED A VOTE ON CONFIRMATION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY YES. RAISE YOUR HAND. ITEM T CARRIES. 9-0. COUNCILOR PEÑA. YOU HAVE PULLED 121. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. R-121 IS DIRECTING THE FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES TO ALLOCATE FUNDS TO THE METROPOLITAN DETENTION CENTER FOR OPIOID TREATMENT AND RECOVERY. I MOVE A DO PASS AND I HAVE A FLOOR AMENDMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION FOR A DO PASS. SECOND IT. COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. DAVIS: THE AMENDMENT IS ON THE SCREEN. >>COUN. PEÑA: THIS IS FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. ON PAGE TWO AFTER SECTION ONE ADD SECTION READING, SECTION TO THE REMAINING BALANCE OF THE $3.3 MILLION FOR THE FUND IS DESIGNATED FOR THE GATEWAY CENTER AT GIBSON HEALTH HUB FOR OPIOID TREATMENT. AND RENUMBER THE FOLLOWING SECTIONS. AND THE EXPLANATION FOR THIS IS THE ABATEMENT FUND 201 HAS A BALANCE OF $4.8 MILLION. THIS SPECIFIES THE REMAINING AMOUNT OF THE FUND BE APPROPRIATED FOR OPIOID TREATMENT. THIS AMENDMENT IS IN LINE WITH THE CORE STRATEGIES APPROVED USES AND OTHER STRATEGIES OUTLINED IN R-22-23 OF THE RESOLUTION THAT CREATED THE ABATEMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FOR THE AMENDMENT? I'LL SECOND IT FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES. COUNCILOR PEÑA, I HAVE A QUESTION. MAYBE OTHERS DO TOO. I THINK COUNCILOR BASSAN CAN ASK MY QUESTION. GO AHEAD. IF WE ADD ANOTHER $3.3 MILLION TO THE GATEWAY CENTER HOW MUCH HAVE WE ENTERED TO DATE? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL CURRENT U. WE CAN GET THAT AMOUNT TO YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN, YOU WERE THE BUDGET CHAIR. >>COUN. BASSAN: I CAN'T TELL YOU ON THAT. AS A COUNCILOR, THERE'S WAY TOO MUCH MONEY GOING INTO GATEWAY. I'M VERY HESITANT, I WOULD LOVE TO SUPPORT OPIOID FUNDING, I WANT TO KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO BE USED. WE DON'T HAVE -- WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH OPIOID FUNDING. HOW DO WE ANY IT'S GOING TO OPIOID ANYTHING? WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR MORE THAN 50 PEOPLE TO BE HELPED AND THE ASBESTOS DEBACLE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, WE HAVE DIRECTOR PIERCE WHO MAY BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS THE INTENDED USE OF THIS MONEY. AND ALSO WE HAVE DIRECTOR YARRA WHO MIGHT HAVE THE NUMBERS. NOT THAT WE HAD THIS QUESTION. >>COUN. DAVIS: DIRECTOR PIERCE, WELCOME BACK. >> THANK YOU. THE QUESTION, AND THANK YOU, COUNCILOR DAVIS, AND COUNCILOR BASSAN, ABOUT THE MONEY. SO, THE $3.3 MILLION, I BELIEVE IN THERE FOR GATEWAY, MEDICAL SOBERING BEING ANTICIPATED 12,000 PER YEAR. THAT WOULD BE OPEN. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE OPERATING EARLY NEXT YEAR. WE ANTICIPATE PRIMARILY, THAT'S WHERE OPIOID FUNDING CAN BE USED. THAT 17,000 A YEAR, THAT'S 24 HOURS A DAY. THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY WILL GO. I WILL TURN TO THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR FOR ANY OTHER INFORMATION. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, MEDICAL SOBERING, IT'S BEEN FULLY FUNDED OUTSIDE OF CITY DOLLARS. 4.2 FROM FEDERAL DELEGATES. OUR OPERATIONAL BUDGET IS $1.4 MILLION ANNUALLY. $3.3 MILLION WOULD OFFSET AND LOOK AT OTHER AREAS WHERE IT CAN BE INVEST. IT WILL HAVE 50 BEDS WHICH ESTIMATES JUST 18,000 INDIVIDUALS COULD BE SERVED 24-7, 365 DAYS A YEAR. DESPITE THE FACT IT'S NOT OPEN YET, IT'S THE FIRST OF ITS KIND IN THE STATE. I STAND FOR QUESTIONS AROUND THAT BUDGET AND FIGURES. >>COUN. BASSAN: IS THERE A WAY WE CAN PUT THIS IN RESERVE SO THAT EARLY NEXT YEAR WHEN WE HAVE A SOBERING CENTER AND IT'S OPEN AND READY TO HELP PEOPLE WE CAN TAKE THIS MONEY OUT WITH NEW COUNCIL APPROVAL RATHER THAN PUT IT IN FUNDING FOR THE GATEWAY? >>COUN. DAVIS: GREAT QUESTION. I WANT TO GO BACK TO MS. YARRA. HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE WE PUT INTO GATEWAY? >> YES, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I'M GOING OFF OF MEMORY FROM WHEN WE WERE RUNNING THAT EXERCISE. I BELIEVE SOMEWHERE IN THE TUNE OF ABOUT $70 MILLION. AND WE WERE SHORT ABOUT ANOTHER 35 FOR THE WHOLE PHASED PLAN OF DPAET -- GATEWAY. SOBERING CENTER, RESPITE. I CAN GET THAT UPDATED NUMBER FOR YOU. THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER. I WANTED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION JUST ASKED ABOUT THE OPIOID MONEY. LAST YEAR THIS COUNSEL ACTUALLY SET UP A REVENUE FUND FOR THE OPIOID SETTLEMENT MONEY. TO DATE WE HAVE RECEIVED ABOUT $5.2 MILLION OF THE MONEY. AND WE HAVE APPROPRIATED 4 POLY8 FOR DIFFERENT GENERAL BUCKETS. I BELIEVE MR. RAMIREZ, WE'VE HAD ABOUT $300,000 OF THAT. WE NEED MORE APPROPRIATIONS. WE'RE EXPECTING A LOT MORE MONEY FROM THE OTHER SETTLEMENTS OVER THE NEXT 15 YEARS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT. THANK YOU. THAT IS VERY HELPFUL. I MEAN, MOST PROJECTS EVEN AT MY HOUSE, I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS JUST ALBUQUERQUE AND CITY GOVERNMENT, BUT THINGS ARE DELAYED. WE ANTICIPATE EVERYTHING WILL OPEN UP AND MEDICAL SOBERING EARLY. IF THINGS ARE DELAYED WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT PUTTING IT IN RESERVE? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, WE ARE AMINABLE TO THAT WAY OF RESERVING THE MONEY. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WE HAVE THIS $5.2 MILLION. I UNDERSTAND THAT IN THE PREVIOUS VERSION WE ALSO WANT TO DEDICATE THIS MONEY FOR THE NEXT 18 YEARS. THAT'S WHERE I BELIEVE THERE'S CONCERN. MAYBE YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT AND NOT DEDICATE FOR 18 YEARS. AND KIND OF REEVALUATE IT EVERY YEAR WHAT IS THE BALANCE AND HOW MUCH WE SPENT AND HOW MUCH WE ACTUALLY USE. BECAUSE WE HAVE ASSIGNED AGREEMENTS. IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU A FINAL AMOUNT. IT'S AN AGREEMENT AND WE WOULD KNOW WHAT IS THAT AMOUNT AFTER WE KNOW HOW MUCH IS ATTORNEYS FEES AND OTHER COSTS WE WILL HAVE TO PAY. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO ONE MORE POSSIBLE AGREEMENT IN THE PIPELINE WHICH IS NOT FINALIZED YET. BECAUSE OF THOSE THINGS, I THINK I'M COMFORTABLE ABOUT TALKING ABOUT $5.2 MILLION. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR PEÑA, AS YOU CAN PROBABLY DEDUCE, I'M VERY HIS TONIGHT TO PUT MORE MONEY INTO THE GATEWAY CENTER ESPECIALLY AFTER TONIGHT'S CONVERSATION. I'M NOT WILLING TO COMMIT MORE FUNDING TO GATEWAY TONIGHT OR IN THE NEAR FUTURE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVE. I DEFINITELY SEE THE VALUE IN THE OPIOID FUNDING WE NEED TO PUT IT TO GOOD USE. I SEE IN THEORY THAT THE SOBERING CENTER AT GATEWAY ONCE OPENED WE CAN REALLY USE THIS FUNDING FOR WHAT WE'RE HEARING ABOUT THEORETICALLY. IN REERALITY I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR BASSAN. YEAH, MOVING THIS FORWARD IT WAS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. JUST TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE RESOURCES THAT WE'RE GETTING FOR OPIOID TREATMENT. I KNOW THAT AS WE'RE HAVING THE CONVERSATIONS IN TERMS OF WHERE THAT MONEY IS ALLOCATED, I KNOW THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL MONEY COMING DOWN THE PIPE. FOR NOW WE HAVE 4.8 MILLION PART OF THE SETTLEMENT. WE HAVE DEDICATED BUCKETS. WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS WE HAD A CONVERSATION JUST ABOUT SOME OF THE LOW HANGING FRUIT. I MET WITH THE COUNTY AND TALKED TO COUNTY MANAGER BACA, THERE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT INCARCERATION OF SOME PEOPLE THAT WERE SOMETIMES IT FEELS LIKE WERE SITTING IN THE WIND OR GOING IN CIRCLES. I'M NOT A FAN OF TREATMENT IN JAIL. I THINK WE'RE REALLY AT A CRISIS LEVEL. WHEN WE DON'T HAVE THAT, I KNOW UNM TOOK OVER THERE. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE MAIN BILL. JUST TO SAY THAT WE HAVE THIS CRISIS THAT WE HAVE IS IT'S LIKE A PANDEMIC. IT'S A DISEASE THAT PEOPLE HAVE. AND GOING INTO JAIL, I KNOW UNM IS TAKING OVER FROM A COMPANY THAT WAS THERE BEFORE THAT REALLY HAD A LOW SUCCESS RATE. AND I'M HOPEFUL WITH UNM BEING THERE AND I'M HEARING SOME OF THE PLANS ON HOW THEY WANT TO ADDRESS PEOPLE COMING IN AND WANTING TO SEEK TREATMENT I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO PUT SOME OF THE MONEY THERE. OBVIOUSLY, IT WOULD BE DIRECTED TO THE COUNTY WHICH ISN'T A CITY PROGRAM. IF YOU LOOK AROUND THE CITY AND STATE AND YOU KNOW PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING FROM ADDICTION, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SERVICES FOR TREATMENT. PERIOD. SO, FOR ME, IT'S LIKE THE CONVERSATION THAT I HAD WITH THE MAYOR EARLY ON WHEN HE WAS ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THE GATEWAY CENTER. KNOWING THAT THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE STRUGGLING AND DOING IN THE STREETS NOW AND KNOWING THERE'S NOT ACCESS TO SERVICES OUT THERE FOR TREATMENT. THERE IS SOME. I DON'T WANT TO SAY THERE IS NONE. BUT REALLY HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT VOID. AND LOOKING AT THE GIBSON HEALTH HUB FOR OPIOID TREATMENT I WANTED TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT IT WASN'T FOR ANYTHING ELSE PUT OPIOID TREATMENT. THAT'S THE AMENDMENT. WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT $35 MILLION WE'RE SHORT. AS YOU'RE ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO BREAK IT DOWN. WE'RE LOOKING AT IT LIKE THIS WHOLE TOTAL AMOUNT RATHER THAN SPECIFICALLY WHAT CAPITAL AND SOME OF THE SERVICES WE'RE HAVING OUT THERE IN THE DIFFERENT SERVICES. I KNOW YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A MULTITUDE OF PROGRAMS OUT THERE. FOR ME, WITHOUT HAVING AN ALTERNATIVE, GATEWAY IS WHAT WE HAVE. AND WE FUNDED IT EXTREMELY WELL. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO INVEST IN IT THIS FAR, I THINK WE HAVE TO CARRY IT BEYOND THE FINISH LINE TO ENSURE WE CAN TRY SOMETHING OUT THERE FOR THE COMMUNITY THAT'S STRUGGLING. YEAH, NOT THE TOTAL MONEY, BUT 4.8, I THINK IT'S 3.3 THAT GOES INTO THE GATEWAY CENTER FOR OPIOID TREATMENT. I'M HEARING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION THAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE 30%. IF WE FUND THE COUNTY AND I THINK I MENTIONED THIS TO THE ADMINISTRATION, IF WE FUND THE COUNTY ONE YEAR AND IT'S SUCCESSFUL, THEN WE REALLY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT INVESTMENT BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH IT'S A COUNTY PROGRAM OUR FOLKS FROM THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND COUNTY ARE GOING TO JAIL. >>COUN. DAVIS: BACK TO COUNCILOR BASSAN AND COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN AND WE'LL TRYING TO BRING THIS HOME. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, I DO AGREE. I HAVE BEEN ON BOARD THAT WE'VE FUNDED SO MUCH AT GATEWAY. BUT I'M WAVERING FROM TIME TO TIME WITH THAT. AT THE SAME TIME WE DON'T HAVE GATEWAY. TO ME, IN MY OPINION, WE DON'T HAVE GATEWAY. RESPECTFULLY, WE HAVE 50 PEOPLE BEING HELPED. WE HAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS GOING INTO IT. IF THIS AMENDMENT DOESN'T PASS, DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE REMAINING BALANCE OF FUNDS, THIS $3.3 MILLION WILL STAY IN THE OPIOID BUCKET AND IT WILL BE SAFE THERE UNTIL NEXT YEAR RATHER THAN PUTTING TIN RESERVE? >> IF IT'S APPROPRIATED FOR USE IT CAN BE USED UNTIL THE FUND IS CLOSED. SO THIS COUNCIL HAS THAT AUTHORITY TO MAKE THOSE APPROPRIATIONS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT -- >> IT WOULD JUST . >>COUN. BASSAN: IT WOULD SIT THERE UNTIL WE DECIDE WHERE TO MOVE IT. >> DEPENDING ON HOW THE APPROPRIATION WAS MADE. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: OKAY. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. SO, I AM NOT ARGUING THAT OPIOID ISSUES ARE NOT A HUGE ISSUE. IT'S ONE OF THE LARGEST ONES WE'RE SEEING. IT WORRIES ME, I'M TOLD, ALTHOUGH I'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET ACTUAL INFORMATION, THAT WE HAVE A LOT MORE MONEY ON THE OPIOID SETTLEMENTS THAT I'VE BEEN ASKING ABOUT FOR TWO MONTHS. I'M WORRYING THAT WE'RE DOING A MILLION AND A HALF HERE AND HERE. WHEN YOU TACK TO THE EXPERTS WHO KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO REALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE OPIOID ADDICTION IN OUR COMMUNITY, THEY SAY WE NEED A BIG PLAN. SOMETHING BIG THAT WILL BRING IN PROFESSIONALS, WE'RE LACKING TREATMENT SPECIALISTS. DOCTORS, NURSES, PEOPLE WHO KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUES. WE DON'T HAVE THEM IN THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T SEE A PLAN TO GET THEM. INSTEAD, SEE LET'S GIVE A LITTLE BIT TO GATEWAY, LET'S GIVE A BIT TO THAT. AND I DON'T THINK THAT IS GOING TO, IN THE END, GET US THE RESULTS WE WANT WHICH IS REALLY HELPING PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING OPIOID ADDICTION IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE IN THE COUNTY OF BERNALILLO. WE HAVE THIS MONEY IN THE FUND AND IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT, BUT FROM WHAT I'M TOLD, IT'S NOTHING COMPARED TO WHAT WE'RE GOB GETTING. THERE'S PLANS BEING MADE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION THAT I'M TOLD ABOUT FOR ALL THE OTHER MONEY THAT'S ALREADY COMING IN, WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT. WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE POLICY DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THAT MONEY SHOULD BE SPENT AND PARTNERING WITH THE COUNTY TO COME UP WITH THE COMMUNITY-WIDE PLAN. I'M ASKING, IS THERE A COMMUNITY-WIDE PLAN FOR OPIOID ADDICTION AND HOW DOES THIS FIT INTO THAT PLAN? >> MR. PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT. YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE BACK BURNER OF MY MINE SINCE I GOT THE NOTICE OF THE FUNDING. WE HAVE A CONTRACT IN PLACE WITH THE HEALTH EQUITY COUNSEL. WE LEVERAGE THAT CONTRACT TO INCLUDE AND EMBED SCOPES IN THERE. THEY'RE CONDUCTING A COMMUNITY NEEDS HEALTH ASSESSMENT ON ALL THINGS OPIOID IN REGARD TO WRAFUNDING SHOULD BE SPENT AND THE PRIORITIZATION AREAS. I WAS PART OF THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH WORK GROUP IN WHICH THEY'RE DOING A REDESIGN IN HOW IT'S INVESTED AND SPENT. PART OF THE DISCUSSION WAS HOW DO INCLUDE THEM IN THE COMMUNITY HEALTH NEEDS ASSESSMENT. WE WORKED WITH THEM TO HAVE INPUT INTO THE PLAN. I THINK THIS WOULD BE AN INFORMATIVE AS WE DESIGN AND ARE CREATING OUR INVESTMENT AND STRATEGIC AREAS FOR IMPACT. WE MAKE IT PUBLIC. WE WOULD POST IT. SO WE CAN HAVE THE DIALOGUE OF WHERE THE IMPACT IS FOR INVESTMENT. IT'S A CONSIDERATION. SKWAER AND WE'RE MOVING IT FORWARD TO MAKE SURE THE INVESTMENT AREAS ARE THERE. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE OVERDOSE DATA AND CRIME AND WHAT'S LACKING AND AT WHAT AREAS. AND DIRECTED THEM SPECIFIC TO ZIP CODE AREAS AND WHERE THE NEEDS ARE MOST. WE DO HOPE TO HAVE THAT GUIDE US IN THOSE AREAS. I HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE STRONGEST PEOPLE TO KEEP IT SAFE. I HAVE THE SAME CONCERNS AND INTEREST AS YOU. WE HAVE ONE CHANCE TO INVEST THIS MONEY IN THE MOST IMPACTFUL WAY FOR OUR COMMUNITY. LEVERAGING THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COUNTY. WE'RE IN A GREAT SPACE TOO THAT. THAT'S PART OF THE PLAN. NOT TO DISAGREE, BUT TO GIVE YOU IT INFORMATION AS TO WHERE WE ARE HEADED. OF COURSE WE SHARE IT WITH YOU ALL. AND WANT TO BE A GOOD STEWARD OF THE FUNDING AND FOR THOSE WHO LOST THEIR LIVES TO THIS TRAGIC EPIDEMIC THAT HAS HAPPENED. AND WE MOVE WITH THE RIGHT PLACES WHERE WE HAVE TO PUT THE MONEY TO BRING THE SERVICES WE NEED. WITH A LOT OF WHAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT THE PROFESSIONALS IN THE COMMUNITY, THE STATE INVESTED IN THAT. I'VE IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE STATE TO SAY HOW ARE WE SUPPORTING YOU WITH THE WORKFORCE AND BUILD INTERNSHIP AND MAKE SURE FOLKS ARE STAYING. WE ARE HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS TOO. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THAT SOUNDS GREAT. I'M GLAD THAT PLAN IS COMING. I HAVE MAJOR CONCERNS THAT WEIGATE A PLAN AT THE END OFFENSE SEPTEMBER AND WE SPEND ALL OF THE MONEY TONIGHT. THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT. IF WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMING THAT TALKS ABOUT ALL THE THINGS NEEDED IN THE COMMUNITY, WHY ARE WE PUTTING THE MONEY INTO VARIOUS POCKETS NOW. I'M NOT GOING TO THE GATEWAY VERSUS NOT GATEWAY, THAT'S NOT MY POINT. THERE NEEDS TO BE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS WHAT WE'RE SEEING TONIGHT IS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. BECAUSE YOU'RE TELLING ME I WON'T GET IT UNTIL THE END OF SEPTEMBER. THAT'S MY POINT. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WAISTING THE FUNDS IN WAYS IS THAT DON'T GET THE BIGGEST BANG ARE THE BUCK. DON'T GET THE BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY FRANKLY DESERVE. FOR ME, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM PAYING FOR SOME OF THE TREATMENT IN THE JAIL. THAT'S THE LEAST WE CAN DO AS A COMMUNITY. BUT BEYOND THAT, I'M GOING TO NEED TO SEE A PLAN AND SEE WHAT THE EXPERTS HAVE TOLD US WHAT WE NEED TO DO BEFORE WE ALLOCATE ALL THE FUNDS IN THE ENTIRE SETTLEMENT FUND WE CREATED LAST YEAR, I BELIEVE. IT'S MY JOB AS A COUNCILOR TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THESE PLANS. I DON'T SEE A PLAN. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE HAVE EVERY COUNCILOR WANTING TO WEIGH IN. WE'RE GOING TO COUNCILOR GROUT, COUNCILOR JONES, COUNCILOR BENTON, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, AND TRY TO BRING THIS HOME. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THESE ARE SOME OF THE NUMBERS WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT WE WILL BE GETTING. $18 MILLION OVER 18 YEARS. WHICH IS $750,000 A YEAR. $5 MILLION LUMP SUM. $4.5 MILLION OVER 13 YEARS. $1.5 MILLION OVER EIGHT YEARS. $19 MILLION ONE LUMP SUM. AND A VERY LARGE AMOUNT THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE MORE THAN $19 MILLION FROM ANOTHER SETTLEMENT. WE DON'T KNOW THAT AMOUNT. THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY. WE NEED TO HAVE A GOOD PLAN. I TOTALLY AGREE. SDMRD THANK YOU, COUNCILOR . >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR JONES. >>COUN. JONES: THANK YOU. I'M PUSHING THE BUTTON AND IT DIDN'T WANT TO TURN GREEN. I LISTEN TO THIS, AND EACH TIME WE MEET ABOUT THE MONEY, IT'S LIKE LITTLE KIDS OPENING THEIR PIGGY BANK AND GOT CHANGE FLOWING OUT AND EVERYBODY IS FIGHTING AND THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO WITH IT BUT THEY WANT AS MUCH AS THEY CAN GET AND THIS IS WHAT THE PLAN IS. WHETHER IT'S A GOOD PLAN OR BAD PLAN OR WORKS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE OTHER PLANS. THERE'S NO COHESIVE ARGUMENT. EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT AND DO IT NOW. WE CAN GET $4 MILLION, OR $20 MILLION. I BELIEVE AS THE STEWARDS OF THE MONEY COMING TO THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE WE HAD BEST SIT BACK AND I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE WITH THE OTHER COUNCILORS, EACH PERSON WHO SPOKE TONIGHT SAYING WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO WITH THE MONEY OR HOW MUCH THEY REALLY NEEDED, AND I THINK WE SHOULD SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT, AS MANY COUNCILORS THAT WANT TO JOIN OR WHOEVER YOU WANT TO SEND, WE NEED TO PUT THIS TOGETHER AND HAVE A PLAN. NOT THIS HERE, NOT THAT THERE. NOT HERE BECAUSE WE ONLY OWE THE JAIL LOVELACE BUILDING. WE CAN'T BECAUSE OF PEOPLE IN OFFICE IS ON SOME OF THE FLOORS. WE WERE GOING TO DO THIS BUT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE WE DECIDED TO PUT 20 OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS DIVISION. WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A PLAN. FOLKS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REAL MONEY NOW. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT PLAY MONEY OR LITTLE AMOUNTS OF $20 MILLION. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. WE CANNOT DO THIS PIECEMEAL. BECAUSE SOMETHING LIKES IT BETTER THAN WHAT I HAVE TO THROW FORWARD. I AM RECOMMENDING, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THAT WE POSTPONE ALL VOTES ON THIS UNTIL WE CAN SIT DOWN IN A REAL STUDY SESSION WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TELLING US HOW THEY WANT TO USE THE MONEY. ALL OF US TOGETHER AND SAY WHAT ARE WE REALLY PLANNING ON DOING THIS. WHERE ARE WE PLANNING ON DOING IT? WHO IS GOING TO RUN IT AND HOW QUICKLY? THAT IS MY PIECE. IT'S THE CITIZENS MONEY. TO HELP THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE. I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING. THAT'S MY PIECE, I THINK WE'RE DOING A BIG MISTAKE IF WE TRY TO DO SOMETHING TONIGHT. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. BENTON: ON THE COUNTY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TAX YEARS AGO, THE CITY PARTICIPATION IN ANY PLANNING OR DECISION MAKING WITH REGARD TO THAT HAS BEEN MINIMAL UNTIL RECENTLY. THERE'S THOUGHT WE'RE GOING TO BE AT THE TABLE. MY EXPERIENCE HAVING SAT ON THAT BOARD FOR QUITE A WHILE WAS THAT WE WERE BIG PLAYERS IN THE USE OF THAT COUNTY WIDE TAX WHICH OF COURSE THE CITY TAXPAYERS MADE. THE COUNTY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MDC. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IS THERE NOT A USE FOR THE FUNDS IN THE INTERIM? THIS WOULD INVOLVE LEAVING EVERYTHING THE WAY IT IS. IS THERE NOT A USE FOR THE FUNDS IN THE INTERIM WHILE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED TONIGHT WITH REGARD TO THE PLAN WHICH IS GOING TO BE BY DEFINITION A CITY-COUNTY DECISION-MAKING EFFORT. I HOPE. THIS IS A -- OTHER ENTITIES ARE EXPERIMENTING WITH A FORM OF COMPELLED TREATMENT WHERE PEOPLE WHO MISBEHAVE AND BECAUSE THEY'RE HIGH, GO TO JAIL. ARE OFFERED TO GO IN THE GENERAL POPULATION OR GO INTO TREATMENT UNIT. TAKE YOUR CHOICE. IT'S GOING TO BE NICER IN THE TREATMENT UNIT THAN GENERAL POPULATION. ANYWAY, THESE ARE THINGS BEING TRIED NATION-WIDE. I WONDER IS IT POSSIBLE, I'M ASKING OUR DEPARTMENT FOLKS AND STUFF, WOULD THAT BE POSSIBLE TO USE IT AT THE JAIL AND THIS GOES INTO EFFECT WHEN WE HAVE THE GATEWAY AVAILABLE AND WE HAVE OTHER CITY OPTIONS FOR THE USE? >> QUESTION FOR FAMILY AND COMMUNITY. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BENTON, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. BIGHT CITY AND COUNTY ARE SET TO RECEIVE CERTAIN AMOUNTS OF MONEY. I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW BOTH ENDS AND MOVE FORWARD IN THE INVESTMENT PLANS. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE SHORTAGE IS WITH MDC. I KNOW THEY WEPT INTO CONTRACT WITH UNM. I THINK IT'S WISE TO KNOW THE UNM TREATMENT WILL BE THERE SO YOU CAN SAY HERE'S WHAT WE INVEST AND WHAT WE EXPECT TO SEE. THAT'S A DECISION TO BE MADE. I WILL SAY BOTH SIDES WILL GET THE MONEY AND WE DO OUR COMMUNITY BEST IF WE LEVERAGE BOTH AMOUNTS WITH BIG IMPACT AREAS TALKED ABOUT BY COUNCILOR JONES. HOWEVER, ANYTHING TO INVEST IN ONE AREA IS GOING TO BE A DECISION YOU HAVE TO MAKE BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE BEST TO LOOK AT INFORM DECISION. FEDERAL LEGISLATION HAS BIN ALLOWED TO BILL FOR FOLKS INCARCERATED. AN INVESTMENT WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING HOW FEDERAL DOLLARS WOULD CHANGE AND STATE DOLLARS CHANGE COULD IMPACT THE AREA BECAUSE A MAJORITY OF INDIVIDUALS INCARCERATED DO QUALIFY FOR THE INSURANCE BENEFIT. CURRENTLY, IT WAS AGAINST FEDERAL TO BE ABLE -- YOUR INSURANCE STOPPED ONCE YOU'RE INCARCERATED. MANY FOLKS WHO ARE BEING HELD PRIOR TO THEM ACTUALLY BEING CONVICTED WERE LOSING MEDICAL ACCESS AND SERVICES. FEDERAL LEGISLATION MOVED FORWARD AND ADOPTED AMENDMENTS TO BE ABLE TO SAY LET'S REVISE THAT AND SAY FOLKS CAN HAVE ACCESS TO INSURANCE IF THERE'S A PROVIDER. UNDERSTANDING IT'S COMPLICATED. WHEN YOU LOOK AT TREATMENT AND ACCESS TO TREATMENT IT'S FUNDING SOURCES PROGRAMS OUT THERE. I BELIEVE THERE'S GOING TO BE DOLLARS TO ALLEVIATE TO BILL WHILE THEY'RE INCARCERATED WHICH WILL FILL THE GAP. IS THERE NEED FOR TEMPORARY FUNDING SURE. UNDERSTANDING BOTH COUNTY AND CITY ARE RECEIVING MONEY FOR THAT POPULATION. THAT'S WHY THERE NEEDS TO BE AN UNDERSTANDING THE FULLMENTS THE COST AND WHAT WE'RE INVESTING AS WELL AS UNDERSTAND THE FEDERAL LAWS. I MENTIONED MEDICAL SOBERING BECAUSE THAT'S NOT A REIMBURSABLE SERVICE. THAT'S WHY IT'S A GAP FUNDING THAT NEEDS TO BE FUNDED. THESE OTHER SERVICES MAY HAVE A REVENUE STREAM THAT CAN BOW CONSIDERED. >>COUN. BENTON: I GUESS I'M STILL ASKING THE QUESTION. IS THERE AN INTERIM BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN WE HAVE MORE OF PLAN NEXT YEAR, AT LEAST WITH THE DISCUSSION WE HAD SO FAR. IS THERE A BENEFICIAL USE TO THESE FUNDS IN THE INTERIM? >> IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA? >>COUN. BENTON: LIKE IN THE AREA OF ADDICTION, RECOVERY AND AT THE MDC. I HEAR A LOT ABOUT THAT'S NOT THE PLACE TO FIX PEOPLE. IT'S NOT. BUT IT'S ALSO A REALITY THAT THEY'RE THERE. >> CORRECT. WE HAVE TO CONTINUE UNDERSTANDING THE SYSTEMS AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME THEY STAY AND RECEIVE THAT TREATMENT AND EXIT. THERE'S PLENTY OF STUDIES THAT SHOW 80% OF INDIVIDUALS RELEASED ARE ON ANY TYPE OF PROBATION ARE IN THE COMMUNITY. THEREFORE WHERE THE SERVICES NEED TO BE AND THE TREATMENT NEED TO BE PART OF THAT. IT'S A SHORT STAY BUT IMMINENT STATE. IT'S THE INITIATION PIECE WHERE THEY GET THE TREATMENT AND THE TRANSITION PIECE. WE CAN LOOK AT RECOVERY HOUSE{ALL OTHER SUPPORTS NEEDED. THERE'S INVESTMENT AREAS WE CAN LOOK AT TO MAKE SURE FOLKS HAVE CONTINUUM OF CARE AND STAYING SOBER AND SAFE. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU. JUST QUICK QUESTION, FOR STEPHANIE. IN THE ABSENCE OF COUNCILOR PEÑA'S AMENDMENT, THIS MONEY CAN STILL BE USED FOR GATEWAY, IT'S JUST NOT STATED SPECIFICALLY IS GOING TO GATEWAY? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BENTON, KURBTH -- CORRECT. >> YES. MRNG . >>COUN. DAVIS: QUICKLY, BACK TO COUNCILOR JONES AND COUNCILOR SANCHEZ AND TRY TO BRING THIS BACK. >>COUN. JONES: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. JUST ONE MORE COMMENT. IT SEEMS VERY SIMPLISTIC TO ME BECAUSE IT'S THE WAY BUSINESS WORK. AS A BUSINESS PERSON WHENEVER I NEEDED MONEY AND HAD TO GO APPROACH MY FUNDING SOURCE, THAT WOULD BE A BANK, I HAD TO HAVE A WRITTEN BUSINESS PLAN. I HAD TO SAY HOW MUCH MONEY I THOUGHT IT WOULD TAKE OVER WHAT PERIOD AND HOW MUCH I WAS GOING TO GET BACK IN ORDER TO REPAY. WE DON'T HAVE TO REPAY THE TAXPAYERS WITH MONEY. IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE REPAY THEM WITH HAD SERVICES THAT WE'RE NOW SAYING WE'RE GAT OFFER TO THEM. BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE CAN BECAUSE WE HAVE NO BUSINESS PLAN. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH, WE DON'T KNOW HOW. I THINK WE'RE A BIT PREMATURE ON THIS UNTIL AT LEAST A FEW PEOPLE FROM CITY AND COUNTY AND ONE FROM CITY COUNCIL WILL SIT DOWN AND SAY HOW ABOUT THIS. CAN WE DO THIS. WHICH IS MORE IMPORTANT. HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST. RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST THROWING SPIT BALL AGAINST THE WALL AND HOPING IT WILL STICK. I CAN'T SUPPORT SOMETHING THAT COMES BEFORE US THIS SCATTERED AND THIS -- WITHOUT ENOUGH DETAILS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, IT'S JUST A COMMENT. SINCE WE'RE GETTING INVOLVED -N DISCUSSION. I'M AGREEING WITH COUNCILOR BASSAN, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. AND COUNCILOR JONES. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS AS A RETIRED POLICE OFFICER I SAW WAS EVERYONE SAYS THAT MDC IS NOT THE PLACE WHERE PEOPLE NEED HELP, IN REALITY, THAT'S ALL WE GOT. WHEN YOU SEND SOMEBODY TO JAIL AND THEY'RE ADDICTED TO OPIOIDS, YOU'RE DEALING WITH SOMEBODY THAT NEEDS THAT HELP. WHEN YOU GO INTO JAIL AND YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE OPIOID, YOU WANT ANOTHER WAY TO DEAL WITH IT. IF IT'S GETTING HELP AND ASKING THE JAIL FOR HELP RIGHT THERE, THAT'S HOW IT HAPPENS. WE FORGET THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE NOT GOING TO BE -- HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR DRUG. RIGHT THEN AND THERE THEY'RE GOING TO START NEEDING THAT SERVICE, THAT MONEY, THAT ATTENTION IMMEDIATELY. AND BECAUSE WE'VE TAKEN IT AWAY. WHEN THE OFFICERS TAKE THEM IN, THEY DON'T ALLOW OPIOIDS IN THE JAIL. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS LOOKING AT. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, GOING WITH THE DISCUSSION, WE SENT SO MUCH MONEY TO GATEWAY, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH COUNCILOR JONES ON THAT. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KNOW WHAT IS BEING SPENT. I CAN VOTE FOR THIS THE WAY IT WAS EARLIER. NOT GOT VOTE FOR THE AMENDMENT. THAT'S BASICALLY WHERE I'M AT. THANK YOU. SDMRD THANKS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANKS. COUNCILOR PEÑA, BACK ON YOU. HOW DO YOU WANT TO PROCEED? >>COUN. PEÑA: I SHOULD HAVE LEFT MY BILL ALONE. ACTUALLY, TALKING TO THE ADMINISTRATION, I PUT THE AMENDMENT FORWARD BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT GATEWAY CENTER. I WAS ACTUALLY ADDED THE AMENDMENT TO THIS BILL. YES, WE CAN WAIT AND ALLOCATE THE MONEY LATER. GILBERT, YOU HAVE MOST HISTORY. I'M TRYING TO GET ANSWERS. WE PASSED, MYSELF AND COUNCILOR BENTON, TRIED TO PASS THE TAX INITIALLY. THAT WAS -- DO YOU RECALL WHAT YEAR THAT WAS? >> 2012. >>COUN. PEÑA: WAS IT 2012? >> I'M SORRY. >> JUST TO SAY WE'RE TRYING TO PASS THIS TAX BEFORE THE COUNTY PASSED THE TAX. AND WE'RE TALKING. AT THE TIME WE DID A STUDY. WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE STUDY? >> THERE WAS SEVERAL STUDIES. BUSINESS ASSESSMENT AS TO SERVICES NEEDED. GAP ASSESSMENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THAT WAS DONE IN 2012. WHEN WE'RE TALKING, I WANT TO BE CLEAR BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR A LONG TIME. I WANT YOU TO KNOW WE STARTED A PLAN SINCE 2012 AND WE'RE SEEING THIS GROWING IN THE CITY WHETHER IT'S BEHAVIORAL HEALTH OR DRUG ADDICTION IN THE COMMUNITY. WE NEEDED TO PASS THE TAX AT THE CITY. BUT WE HAVE SOMEBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT I WAS TALKING TO AT THE TIME AND I WAS LIKE IF WE CAN'T GET IT THROUGH AT THE CITY MAYBE THE COUNTY WOULD WANT TO DO THAT. AND COMMISSIONER O'MALLEY WAS ABLE TO GET THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TAX PASSED AT THAT TIME. AND SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE MONEY AND HOW WE'RE NOT USING SOME OF THE RESOURCES IT WOULD BE A DEBATE IF WE SHOULD PASS THAT TAX WHEN WE HAVE CRISIS IN 2012. WE DID HAVE A PLAN ON WHAT SHOULD BE DONE. AND THE COUNTY PASSED THE PAX TAX. AND WE'RE TRAYING TO FIGURE HOUT HOW TO GET INVOLVED AND GET A SAY UTILIZING THE DOLLARS. THAT HASN'T WORKED OUT THE WAY WE WANTED IT TO WORK OUT. THERE'S PARTNERSHIPS HERE AND THERE. IT'S NOT REALLY THE WAY WE HAD THE VISION. AND WE DID ANOTHER STUDY AFTER THAT. THAT WAS ANOTHER PRELIMINARY OUTLINING EVERYTHING WE NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO REALLY ADDRESS THIS EPIDEMIC WE HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND JUST ABOUT A YEAR AGO OR TWO, WE DID ANOTHER ASSESSMENT TO -- I WANT TO SAY THERE'S BEEN SO MANY PLANS OUT THERE. WE DO AND HAVE THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TAX, AS A MATTER OF FACT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC SAFETY TAX, THAT WAS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY I SEEN AS US BEING ABLE TO ADDRESS SOME OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES WITH USING SOME MONEY FOR PREVENT EFFORTS. IF YOU LOOK, I KNOW ONE OF THE STAFF GAVE US INFORMATION AND COUNCILOR GROUT WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT EARLIER, AND I COULDN'T FINE THE AMENDMENT I PUT FORWARD BACK THEN SUPPORTED BY THIS BODY. BUT THERE WAS 20% FOR GETTING NUISANCE ABATEMENT. SUBSTANCE ABUSE TREATMENT PREVENTION AND AT RISK. I KNOW WE HAVEN'T DONE A GOOD JOB OF THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE TALKED ABOUT, SOME OF THE COUNCILORS, REALLY DOING ANOTHER QUARTER CENT TAX FOR JUST TREATMENT. BECAUSE AS WE'RE HAVING THE CONVERSATION AND AS WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PUT THE MONEY AND WHETHER IT SHOULD GO THERE OR SHOULDN'T GO THERE BECAUSE THIS ONE IS BEING FUNDED, PEOPLE ARE DYING. THEY'RE DYING LEFT AND RIGHT. AND I HAVE LIVED EXPERIENCE. I KNOW LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE LIVED EXPERIENCE WITH THIS. WE'RE DEBATING THIS, I SAID I SHOULD LEFT MY LITTLE BILL ALONE BECAUSE I THINK AS COUNCILOR BENTON ALLUDED TO, I AGREE THAT WE'RE HAVING PEOPLE INCARCERATED AND WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE PREEMENT. WE'RE REALLY IN A CRISIS. AND WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO HELP PEOPLE. WE TALK ABOUT THE REVOLVING DOOR. WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW WE'RE RELEASING PEOPLE. WE RELEASE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A DISEASE. AND THEY HAVE AN ADDICTION. AND MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES WITHOUT THOSE SERVICES OUT THERE. YOU KNOW, THE ADMINISTRATION APPROACHED ME AND SAID ABOUT ADDING THIS ADDITIONAL OF THE 5.2, NOT THE REST OF THE MONEY TO THE GIBSON HEALTH I KNOW WE'RE NOT WHERE WE NEED TO BE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE ELSE TO PUT THIS MONEY AND WHERE WE GET TO START TO ADDRESS THIS NEED. IT'S FRUSTRATING ALREADY SINCE WE STARTED THIS IN 2012 AND WE'RE STILL LOOKING FOR PLANS AND LOOKING TO -- WE HAVE LOTS OF PLANS OUT THERE. WE JUST NEED TO REALLY PUT THE MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTH AND INVEST IN THESE PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM THE DISEASE AND DYING IN RECORD NUMBERS. IF THE AMENDMENT DOESN'T PASS, IT'S AVAILABLE. THE ADMINISTRATION ASKED ABOUT THAT. I THOUGHT IT WAS, LET'S DO IT. LET'S GET THIS MONEY. LET'S GET IT DONE. PEOPLE ARE DYING. I PUT IT FORWARD. IF THE AMENDMENT DOESN'T PASS, I THINK THE INITIAL MONEY IS 2.3 GOING TO THE JAILS TO HELP PEOPLE TO GET PEOPLE NOT TO GO OUT THERE. UNFORTUNATELY, WITH THESE DRUGS THAT ARE OUT THERE, IT'S REALLY, REALLY PEOPLE SAY THERE'S OTHER THINGS OUT THERE, THOSE ARE THINGS TYING PEOPLE UNTIL THEY GET THEIR NEXT FIX. WE REALLY HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN GO AND BE AND FEEL LIKE THEY'RE GETTING THE SUPPORT THEY NEED. I'LL STOP. >>COUN. DAVIS: THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS FOR THE AMENDMENT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. I COUNT ONE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THAT FAILS 1-8. WE'RE BACK ON 121. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, AFTER ALL THAT, I KNOW WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION, AND GET IT. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO MAKE SUREWEAR VERY CLEAR. I'M NO LONGER CLEAR. THE $3.3 MILLION IS NO LONGER GOING TO GATEWAY BECAUSE WE VOTED DOWN. THE BILL IS FOR $1.5 MILLION TO PROVIDE OPIOID SERVICES AT MDC AND ENTERING A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH BERNALILLO COUNTY. THAT'S 1.5. I WANT CLARIFICATION. IF I'M NOT CLEAR I'M WONDERING WHO ELSE IS UNCLEAR. THE $3.3 MILLION REMAINING. IS THAT STAYING SECURE IN AN OPIOID FUND? OR IS IT IN THE LG ABATEMENT FUND TO BE USED BY THE ADMINISTRATION FOR ANY PURPOSE THAT WILL BE APPROPRIATED WITH OPIOID FUNDS FALLING IN THE FEDERAL PARAMETERS? >>COUN. DAVIS: MR. MOYA. >> COUNCILOR BASSAN, IT WOULD STAY IN THE LG ABATEMENT FUND. 201. AND THIS BODY WOULD PROEP THE FUNDS. >>COUN. BASSAN: THE $3.3 MILLION IN THE LG ABATEMENT FUND, 201, CANNOT BE USED ON ANYTHING UNLESS WE APPROPRIATE IT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, SEEING THAT AMENDMENT DIDN'T PASS AND THIS 1.5 THAT'S IN QUESTION, THE COUNCIL HAS APPROPRIATED ABOUT $4.8 MILLION OF THE MONEY FOR USE IN THREE DIFFERENT CATEGORY. FIRST IS TREATMENT OF OPIOID DISORDER. $2.4 MILLION. SUPPORTIVE SERVICES FOR TREATMENT AND RECOVERY IS 1.2. AND OTHER STRATEGIES WOULD BE SUPPORT SERVICES IS 1.2. SO, TO THE EXTENT THAT THE $1.5 MILLION FITS INTO ONE OF THE CATEGORIES OR DOESN'T AND THE REMAINING WOULD BE USED BY THE FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES FOR THOSE PURPOSES YOU HAVE APPROPRIATED. >>COUN. BASSAN: I'M GOING TO BITE MY TONGUE. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET ME REALLY QUICKLY, I LIKE THE RESOLUTION. I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THE OPIOID SUPPORT. IT MAKES SENSE TO ME. MY CONCERN IS THE LANGUAGE THAT DIRECTS 30% OF FUTURE SETTLEMENT WHICH ARE REALLY UNKNOWN BUT SEEM TO BE INCREASING TO THE COUNTY FOR THE PURPOSES WITHOUT A NEW APPROPRIATION WITHOUT THAT PLAN. IT'S THAT PIECE THAT REALLY BOTHERS ME. I'M INCLINED TO ASK. I REALIZE I WANT TO GET THIS STARTED. I ASK THE SPONSOR TO DEFRS UNTIL THE ADMINISTRATION COMES BACK THROUGH THE END OFFENSE SEPTEMBER SO THIS CAN BE INCORPORATED BETTER. I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE ONE-TIME ALLOCATION. IT'S THE SETTING ASIDE OF A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FUTURE FUNDING. FOR AN UNDETERMINED PURPOSE TIP. IT'S FOR A PURPOSE BUT UNDETERMINED HOW IT WOULD GO. THAT COULD GROW QUICKLY UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNT A. IF THAT'S NOT THE RESPONSE INTENT OR IF I'M WRONG, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM. >> >>COUN. PEÑA: YES, IT'S 30% OF THE FUTURE FUNDING. WEP WE PUT THIS RESOLUTION IN IT ACTUALLY WEREN'T ANTICIPATING AS MUCH MONEY. THE FACT THAT IT WOULD BE GOING TO THE JAIL FOR PURPOSES, I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE FOR IT. I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION HAS AN ISSUE. I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT. YES, THIS OTHER MONEY WE DID APPROPRIATE IT EARLIER, LAST YEAR. WE ALREADY APPROPRIATED IT. WHAT I WANTED TO DO BY EVEN PUTTING THIS AMENDMENT FORWARD IS TO REALLY BE ABLE TO DIRECT IT TO A SERVICE THAT WE HAVE. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S IN GENERAL BUCKETS AND THE ADMINISTRATION CAN USE IT FROM THE GENERAL BUCKETS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. IT CONCERNS ME ONLY BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GETTING TO 80 OR $90 MILLION WHICH SERVE ABOUT $30 MILLION UNDER THEIR ADMINISTRATION WITHOUT OVERSIGHT FROM THE CITY. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM IF WE COORDINATE THAT. I THINK THERE'S A NEED FOR THAT. I WANT MORE DETAIL. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THINK COUNCILOR JONES WANTS TO SPEAK UP AND WE OTHERS. I WANT TO DEFER THIS FOR 60 DAYS UNTIL WE GET A PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD FROM THAT. I'LL DEFER TO THE SPONSOR. COUNCILOR JONES. >>COUN. JONES: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. I WAS HOPING TO GET APPROVAL THAT THIS SHOULD BE DEFERRED UNTIL WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH IT AND WHY AND HOW. I THINK IT'S FAR TOO CONFUSING NOW AND NOT REALLY EASY TO UNDERSTAND. I HOPE THAT THE SPONSOR WOULD AGREE TO DEFER THIS FOR 60 DAYS. >>COUN. DAVIS: OTHER COMMENTS? BACK TO THE SPONSOR. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: WHY 60 DAYS? BECAUSE OF THE PLAN THAT SHOULD BE RECEIVED BY FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES? SO WE CAN MAKE A PLAN TO DISTRIBUTE OUT TO THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE? >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN, MY INTENT IN ASKING FOR THAT ARE SUGGESTING IS EXACTLY THAT. I HEARD MENTIONED THAT YOU HAVE A GROUP COMING BACK THE END OF SEPTEMBER. THIS PLACES ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF OCTOBER. THIS CAN BE THE VESSEL BY WHICH WE FUND A LARGER APPLICATION PACED ON THE PLAN. MY THOUGHT WAS, AND YOU'RE GOOD AT THIS, IF WE HAVE A REPORT AND YOU DON'T MAKE A POINT TO ASK ABOUT IT, IT GETS LOST SOMETIMES. I WAS DOING THE MATH IN MY HEAD IF IT'S COMING BACK SEPTEMBER 30th, OUR MEETING IS A GREAT TIME TO ASK THEM WHAT THEY FOUND OUT AND START THE PUBLIC CONVERSATION SO IT DOESN'T SIT AROUND. I THINK 60 BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE TIMELINE TO KEEP IT MOVING. IT'S UP TO THE SPONSOR. THERE'S NO MOTION ON THE FLOOR. >>COUN. PEÑA: OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR DEFERRAL. WHEN I WAS WORKING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION ON THIS I REALLY THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO. YOU KNOW DEFERRING FOR 60 DAYS SEEMS TOO LONG. I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT IT IN BETWEEN NOW AND THEN HOW WE COME TO CONSENSUS ON THIS. LIKE I SAID, I KNOW THE ADMINISTRATION WASN'T NECESSARILY HAPPY WITH MY BILL. ORIGINALLY. I JUST THINK IF WE DEFER IT FOR 30 DAYS AND HAVE A CONVERSATION AND LOOK BACK AT HOW -- BECAUSE I KNOW MONEY IS COMING FOR THE GIBSON HEALTH HUB WITHOUT US APPROPRIATING IT. I GUESS MY THINK IS SPECIFIC TO THE JAIL. >>COUN. DAVIS: MOTION IS FOR 30 DAY DEFERRAL. IS THERE A SECOND? >>COUN. BENTON: SECOND. >>COUN. JONES: I WAS HOPING I CAN CONVINCE TO MAKE IT A 60 DAY DEFERRAL TO GET INFORMATION. MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN 30 DAYS ISN'T ENOUGH TO DO MUCH OF ANYTHING WHEN WE'RE CALCULATING SOMETHING THIS BIG. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: I'D LIKE TO STICK TO THE 30-DAY DEFERRAL. >>COUN. DAVIS: THE SPONSOR'S MOTION -- COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I JUST LIKE TO REQUEST THAT IN THAT 30 DAYS WE ACTUALLY HEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ON WHAT THE PLANS ARE, WHAT THE MONEY THAT IS COMING IN ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE. THESE ARE QUESTIONS I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND I DON'T HAVE ANSWERS. I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE ANSWERS IN 30 DAYS IF NO ONE FOLLOWS UP. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, COUNCIL MEMBERS. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, COUNCILOR PEÑA, IT'S NOT THAT ADMINISTRATION IS NOT HAPPY WITH YOUR AMENDMENT BUT A COUPLE OF THINGS TO CONSIDER IS, WE DO KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY IS COMING. ROUGHLY SPEAKING IT WOULD BE $75 MILLION OVER 18 YEARS. WE HAVE $5 MILLION. ON TOP OF THAT THERE'S ONE MORE SETTLEMENT IN PIPELINE. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT WOULD BE. ROUGHLY SPEAKING AFTER THE ATTORNEYS FEES AND COSTS IT WOULD BE $75 MILLION. WE HAVE A DETAILED BREAKDOWN. BUT THE ONE THING THAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS CONCERNED ABOUT IS DEDICATING PERCENTAGE FOR THE COUNTY. THE REASON FOR THAT IS OPIOID MONEY SETTLEMENT IS DISTRIBUTE DIFFERENTLY IN EVERY STATE. THE ATTORNEY GENERALS OF THE STATE HAVE A LOT OF AUTHORITY OVER HOW THIS MONEY IS DISTRIBUTED AND IN NEW MEXICO IT SEEMS THAT THE COUNTIES ARE GOING TO GET LARGER PORTIONS THAN MUNICIPALITIES. ONE THING FOR THIS BODY TO CONSIDER IS THAT THE BERNALILLO COUNTY WILL HAVE MORE MONEY THAP THAN US. HOW MUCH THEY GET, I'M NOT TOO SURE. AS I UNDERSTAND FROM THE ATTORNEYS AND THE SPLIT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND MUNICIPALITIES, I BELIEVE THEY GOT A BETTER DEAL. WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. THAT IS THE REASON THE ADMINISTRATION IS CONCERNED ABOUT DEDICATING 30% GOING FORWARD. LET'S SAY WE'RE OKAY IF YOU WANT TO DO $1.5 MILLION FROM THE MONEY WE HAVE ALREADY. WE WOULD BE FINE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, IS THAT ACCURATE? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ACCURATE THAT THE COUNTY IS GETTING MORE. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT IF WE PUT $1.5 MILLION AND WE DON'T COMMIT AS A CITY TO THE JAIL WHERE WE SEND ALL OF OUR PRISONERS OR PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN INCARCERATED, IF THIS IS A SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM WITH $1.5 MILLION WHICH SOUNDS LIKE NOTHING TO BE HONEST, AND THEN WE DON'T COMMIT TO FURTHER FUNDING SOMETHING, THEN WE'RE REALLY JUST DOING INJUSTICE. MS. YARRA, DO YOU HAVE INFORMATION? >> YES, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, THE INFORMATION I HAVE FROM MS. CAMEBER IS THAT -- THE STATE MONEY COMING IN, THE COUNTY IS GETTING 18.61% AND THE CITY IS GETTING 22.75%. WE'RE GETTING JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN BERNALILLO COUNTY. >>COUN. PEÑA: WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING MORE. OKAY. I JUST WONDERED -- I WANT THE BODY TO KNOW THAT THE MONEY IS APPROPRIATED. MY INTENTION IS HEARING FROM THE COUNTY AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING AT THE JAIL AND SIMILAR TO COUNCILOR BENTON, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. THIS IS REALLY SOME LOW HANGING FRUIT. WE'RE TACKING ABOUT THE ISSUES. THE QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT REALLY ADDRESSING CRIME IN THE COMMUNITY. AND IF WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH UNMH WHICH I'VE BEEN CONCERNED THAT WE'RE USING THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH MONEY. EVERYONE THINKS WE CAN SEND THEM TO THE PSYCH HOSPITAL. IT'S NOT REALLY A PLACE FOR TREATMENT. IT'S FOR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH. I THINK I ASKED THAT QUESTION AT THE ABCGC. AGAIN, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE VERY MANY AVENUES FOR TREATMENT IN THE COMMUNITY. AND WE WERE HEARING ALL THE STUFF GOING ON. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY AND JAIL AND BE ABLE TO GIVE MONEY. I THINK IT WOULD BE INSULTING TO GIVE $1.5 MILLION AND SAY, WELL, WE'VE ALLOCATED THE REST OF IT IN PERPETUITY. WHEN THERE'S FOLKS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT SENDING TO JAIL AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO GIVE $1.5 MILLION. YEAH. YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: SPONSOR CHANGED -- >>COUN. PEÑA: 30-DAY DEFERRAL. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE MIGHT DO THIS AGAIN IN TWO MEETINGS. ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. LET'S DO THIS WHEN THE CLERK IS READY. I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT HANDS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. FOUR. OPPOSED? 7-2. MATTER IS DEFERRED FOR 30 DAYS. ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS FUN. WE'LL SEE THAT IN A MONTH. COUNCILORS, WE'RE ON ITEM 9 ANNOUNCEMENTS. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THERE WILL BE AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL LEGISLATIVE RELATIONS COMMITTEE MEETING ON WEDNESDAY SEPTEMBER 6 AT 3 P.M. VIA ZOOM. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILORS, THERE ARE NO FINANCIAL ON THE AGENDA. IT'S 7:15. HERE'S WHAT I'M THINKING. WE HAVE NINE FOLKS SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. I THINK WE'LL TRY TO TAKE THOSE, IF THAT'S OKAY. AND WE'LL TAKE OUR DINNER BREAK AND WE'LL COME BACK AND FOLLOW OUR AGENDA STRAIGHT THROUGH. WE HAVE A QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARING AT THE VERY END. WE'LL GET STARTED ON PUBLIC COMMENT. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE LIVE PUBLIC COMMENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY IF THEY HAVE SIPED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT PER INSTRUCTIONS PUBLISHED ON THE AGENDA. EACH PARTIPANT HAS UP TO TWO MINUTES PRESENT. COMMENTS MUST ME ADDRESSED TO COUNCILORS THROUGH THE COCIL PRESIDENT AND NOT THE STAFF OR MERBS OF E PUBLIC. ANY DISRUPTIVE COMMENT IN VIOLATION OF THE RULESS OUTLINED BY THE VICE PRESIDENT WILL REST IN REMOL. THERE'S A TWO-MOIPT TIME LIMIT. >> O FIRST SPEAKER IS JANE FOLLOWED BY STEVE. >>COUN. DAVIS: IF THEY CALL YOUR NAME, COME ON DOWN, YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT IN TH FRONT SOWE CAN BE SURE TO MAKE TIME FOR YOU. >>CO. PEÑA: BEFORE -- I'M SORRY, I THINK IT'S O-82, AMDING CERTAIN PORTIONS OF CHAPTER 2 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCE FOR DOMTIC VIOLENCE. WE HAVE A YOUNG LADY. I THINK IT'S A NO-BRAINER. IT WOULD BE AWESOME TO D THA BEFORE OUR DINNER BRK. >>COUN. DAVIS: OBJECTION WE'LL DO THAT BEFOR DINNER BREAK. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCIRS I'M SPEAKING ON BEHAL OF THE NTA FE VLAGE NEIGHBOOOD ASSOATION. IT HAS BEEN POPULAR IN SE RCLES TO GOVERNIZE HBHOOD ASSOCIATIONSND C CHARACTERIZE TM AS OTACLES TO DEVELOPMENT. WHETHER THERE EENTIAL TO GAGING SOCIAL CNGAND BRIDGING T GAP BETWEEN GOVERNMENT A CITIZENSND OFFERIITENS STRONGER ROL IN THE COMMUNITIES AND PROMOTING COLLABATIVEPLANNING. OUR ACTITIES IN SERVICE TO THE STDEREDS AND OUR BYLAWS ARE MULTIPLE ANUNLIKELY TO BE ADEQUATELY PTURED IN TWO MINUTES. A W HIGHLIGHTS. I'MEARING MY SING 2022 ALBUERQUE CLEAN UP SHIRT. WITH SFV ADDE BY ONE OF TH RESIDENT SANTFE VILGE ASSOCIAON PARTICIPATED IN ERY CLE UP AS FAR AS I CREMEMBER. WE PUBLISD NEIGHBORHOO EVENTS AND CITY AND CNTY ANUNCENTS. WE HOLD ANNNUAL LIGHTS CONTEST. FEEL FREE TO VISIT OUREBSI FO PHOTOS. IS YEAR WITH FINCLBACNG FROMERNALLO UNTY, RESIDENTSN O SANTA FE RESIDENTTIME WE PUBLISHE A BROCHURE A CONDUCT A MEERSHIP EVT. HAVE 97FFMED MEMBS. INUS OVER FOUR MONTHS A NEW COUNCIL WIE SEATED IT OUR HOPE THA THEY'LL ENGE WITH THE THEIGHRHOOD SOCIIONS IN THE SRIT O COLLABORATIOSET FORTH IN THE NARO THANK YOFOR YOUR TIME D ATTENTION. >>CO. VIS: COUNCILORANCHEZ HAA E. COUN. SANCHEZ: JUSANTE THANK MRS. JANE FOR CIN IN. IPPRECIATE IT. ONE OF THE AREAS I GW UP IN WAS NTA FE LLAGE. IF YOU EVE ND ME FOR ANNG, DON'T HESITE >> I D HVEOU ONPEED AL. >>CO. SAZ: THANK YOU >>ND IN M EIL LIST. K YOU, SIR. >> NEXTPEAKER IS STE FOLLEDY CHRIS. CHRIS FOLLOW BY MARK. MAOLLOWED BYNICKY. >>OUNCILPRESENT, IT'S AN HONOR TODDRESS T ALBUQUERQUE CITY CNCILN PERSON. I KNOW E A COMMON GOAL MAKING ALBUQUEUE THET CITY IT CAN BE TOY I COM WITH AISION IN THE STAROF EDUCATIOL CAAI ON WHAT THE NTH MINGO BA AQTI CTER CAN BE F ALLF ALBUQUERQUHT'S LGE GROUP O PEOPLE THAT IS TH LIKEO COME,OWEVER W DEDED TO JUST SEND A COUPLE PEOPLE FOR EACH ETING. I AICIPATE YOU'LL B HEANG FROM A DERSE GROUP O SOCIOECOMICSTATUS RACE, A I THK M. BACKTA C BACK ME ONTHAT I AVE YOU WIT A QICK STORY OF AITTLE BOY. HIS MOM WAS A SCHOOL TEACHER FOR EG RS. DIVESP BY ANDATHER WAS CORRECON OFFIR. FOUNATELY THEAMILY PARATED ANTHE MOMECAME A INCIPLE TO MAKE END MEET. THE SON WENT TO AFTER SCHOO PRRAM ATHE MULTENERATIONAL CENTER WHEREHE LED ABOUT SW LESSONSN ENEW OUOOR POOL. TER LSONS ONE DAY HE SAW FFERT HIGH SOOLS TING. AND THEN THE CLU KIDS CAME IN. HESKED HIS MOMAN I JOIN. SO HIS MOM SAIDYES. DURINGHE SUMMER, THE POOL CONVTED 50 MS AND THAT'S WHE HEACCELERATED. IS IS ACTUALL A TUE STORY. OM A LITTLE BOY IN MARYLA, THATLL OFOU KNOW, TODAYE IS T WORLD' MOST DECORATED HLETE IN HISTORY. CHAEL PHELPS. WHEN WE'RE SITTING THE WATCHING T 2028 OMPICS YOU CAN SAY I MADE THAT HAPPEN. >>COUN. DAVI THANK YOU. >> NICKY FOLWEDTAD. MEXICAN RESIDENT OF ALBUQUERQ. I'M HERE TO SHARE WH YOU HOW MUCH THIS COMMUNITY WANTS THE NORTH DONGOACA CENTER. WE'RE GOING TO BRINGSTUDENTS, ELDERLY, ALL AES TO COME SPEAK TO YOU. EACH OF YOUR DISTCTS,BOUT WHY TH WANT THIS PO ANDHIS FACILITY. YOU KNOW, IT'S E OF THE MOS DIVERSE COMNITIES IN ALBUQUERQUE. IN THE STATE. AND IN THE REGION. SENIOR CITIZENS, THOSE WHO LEARN HOW TO SWIM TO THO WHO NEED PHYSICAL THERAPY. WATER AEROBICS, WATER POLO, DIVING, ARTIIC IMMING. EVERYBODY WANTS TIS OL. I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THE MEDIA THAT HAS GIVEN THE COMMUNITY A CONCERN THAT IT WON'T BE BUILT. I'M HERE TO ASK YOU TO COME AGGRESVELY WITH THIS PROJECT. WE WANT TO PUT IT OVER THE EDGE. WE WANT TO SEE IT BUILT. I BROUGHT SOMEBODY THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WI YOU. IT'S AN ARTICLE THAT CAME OUT IN JULY2023. IT STATES WHY AMERICA STOPPED BUILDING PUBLIC POOLS. THERE'S TWO-PIECES. POOLS ARE HARDER TO FIND FOR THOSE AMERICANS THAT CAN'TGET A POOL INHEIR BACKYARD CLUB. LEGACY OF SREGATION AND STARK RECREATION BUDGETS HAVE LED TO THE DECLINE OF PUBLIC PLACES. THIS PARTICULAR ARTICLE WRAPS IT UP THE BEST WAY I CAN SAY ABOUT WHY WE NEED IT AS A COMMUNITY. IT HELPS ALL PEOPLE BE FIT, BE HEALTHY AND SAFE. ALL NATIONALALITIES, ALL SOCIAL ECONOMIC BACKGROUNDS. THEY WANT IT OPALINE YOUR. LIKE THE AQUATIC CENTER TO ACCESS THE WATER, TAKE CLASSES AND STAY FIT. PLEASE SUPPORT THE PROJECT. THANK YOU. >> TAD FOLLOWED BY STACY. >> EXCUSE ME. MY NAME TAD. WELL, WHAT I HEAR -- THEY'RE GAT GET MILLION FROM FEDERAL MONEY. I'M SORRY. OKAY. AS I ALREADY STARTED SAYING, THEY KNOW HOW TO GET MILLION DOLLARS FROM WASHINGTON D.C. NOW THEY -- ASSESSMENT, THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING. CONSUMER PROTECTION PLAN, WHATEVER. NEW PLAN. FEDERAL MONEY. BANK IS CITY HALL OF ALBUQUERQUE. THAT'S IT. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. NOW, ANOTHER ISSUE. PAN HANDLING, HUMAN WASTE ACROSS CITY HALL. THERE WHERE IT USED TO BE COUNTY ASSESSOR OFFICE. NOW PRIVATE INVESTOR BOUGHT IT FROM THE COUNTY. HUMAN WASTE. ALL OVER THE CITY. MONTGOMERY, ALL OVER TO EUBANK. CENTRAL, ALL THE WAY PAST WYOMING. TO 98th STREET. I'M SICK AND TIRED. BETWEEN LOUISIANA, AROUND LOUISIANA, ACROSS FROM CASINO ON CENTRAL, ALL KINDS OF ISSUE WITH HOMELESS PEOPLE. DRUGS. THEY PLACE IT ON THE FRONT CENTRAL AND WYOMING. ON THE CORNER. SO, PEOPLE PRACTICALLY MAKE -- NAKED WALKING BY. IT STINKS. HUMAN WASTE TOO. THERE'S PLENTY AROUND CENTRAL AND LOUISIANA. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. WHERE IS CITY? THANK YOU. >> STACY FOLLOWED BY MAURINE ON ZOOM. >> HELLO, I'M STACY. I'M HERE TO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO. AND THANK YOU FOR THE FIGHT YOU'RE WAGING TODAY. I THOUGHT THAT WAS GREAT. THAT IS NOT WHAT I'M HERE IN SUPPORT OF. I SHOULD BE. I'M HERE -- I'M A LOCAL CONTRACTOR. I HAVE -- I REMODEL, I BUILD I HAVE LONG-TERM RENTAL AND SHORT-TERM RENTAL. I'M FRUSTRATED BY WHAT I SEE. THERE'S TWO SUBJECTS THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP TONIGHT. YOU KNOW, I RECENTLY PULLED A PERMIT FOR A SIMPLE ALTERATION IN WELLS PARK. IT TOOK THREE MONTHS. I COULD HAVE DONE THAT TEN YEARS AGO IN ONE DAY. AND WE'RE DOING THIS HOUSING FORWARD INITIATIVE TRYING TO PASS MORE LEGISLATION TO HELP PEOPLE FIND HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. THE EXPENSE OF PULLING THE PERMITS AND TAKING THREE MONTHS, GUESS WHO GETS TO PAY THAT? THE PERSON THAT BUYS OR RENTS THE HOUSE. WHEN I CAN'T GET A PERMIT, BUT DEAN WHO IS DOING PLAN REVIEW, HE'S THE ONLY EXPERIENCED GUY LEFT IN THERE. WE NEED TO STAFF THOSE OFFICES. I THINK THAT'S A WHOLE LOT MORE IMPORTANT THAN PASSING MORE AND MORE LEGISLATION TRYING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE HOUSING. THE OTHER INTERESTING SUBJECT THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP, IT'S VERY INTIMIDATING UP HERE. I'M SORRY. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THIS OTHER LEGISLATION -- NOBODY PUSHED BACK AND WE HAD EVERYBODY GET PERMITS FOR AIR B&B. THAT MADE SENSE. NOW WE'RE NOT ENFORCING IT. OTS NOT YOUR JOB TO ENFORCE IT. I'M SURE OF THAT. BUT I'M ALSO SURE YOU CAN ASK PEOPLE TO ENFORCE THAT. IF UNDERSTAND THE NUMBERS RIGHT YOU CAN DO THAT RIGHT PROBABLY TOMORROW AND CLOSE DOWN ABOUT 40% OF THE AIR B&Bs TOMORROW. THAT'S A LITTLE MORE AFFECTIVE THAN SOME OTHER LAW WE HAVE TO ENFORCE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON ONE OF HIS COMMENTS. IT WAS REFERENCING PLANNING AND WHY IT'S TAKING THREE MONTHS TO GET APPROVAL. >>COUN. DAVIS: IS THAT FOR FOR THE PLANNING DIRECTOR? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: IS IT REALLY TAKING THREE MONTHS TO GET APPROVAL AND IS DEAN THE ONLY ONE WORKING THAT AREA? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I DO AGREE WITH ONE STATEMENT I HEARD. THAT IS THAT WE'RE UNDERSTAFFED IN THE PLAN REVIEW SECTION. I WAS LOOK ATH THE NUMBERS A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. AND WE HAVE NOT HAD A STAFF INCREASE IN PLAN REVIEW OR PERMITTING IN OVER TEN YEARS WHICH IS A BIT MIND-BOGGLING. AS FAR AS IT TAKING THREE MONTHS TO GET A REMODEL PERMIT. I WOULD NEED TO KNOW THE PERMIT NUMBER AND TAKE A LOOK AT. THE AVERAGE TURN AROUND IS ABOUT 55 DAYS. THAT'S FOR A BRAND NEW HOUSE. ON A COMMERCIAL IT'S LONGER. I NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AND SEE HOW MUCH TIME IS WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND HOW MUCH WITH THE APPLICANT. I WON'T ANSWER THAT BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR TO THE APPLICANT OR TO THE DEPARTMENT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. COULD YOU EXCHANGE INFORMATION? >> SURE. >> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MAUREEN ON ZOOM. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. >> I'M CHAIR OF THE ALBUQUERQUE -- >>COUN. DAVIS: WE CAN HEAR YOU. >> I'M CHAIR OF THE ALBUQUERQUE HOUSING AUTHORITY. I'M SPEAKING ON MY OWN BEHALF. I SUPPORT THE LIMITING OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS. IN ALBUQUERQUE, 49% OF RENTERS PAY MORE THAN 30% OF INCOME ON HOUSING. THAT'S ALMOST HALF PAID 30%. AND IN 27 PAID MORE THAN HALF OF INCOME ON HOUSING. IN ORDER TO GET MORE HOUSING WE NEED AN ALL OF THE ABOVE APPROACH. AND THIS IS ONE TOOL THAT I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT. THANK YOU. >> MR. PRESIDENT, THAT CONCLUDES GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR PEÑA, LET'S TAKE YOUR ITEM REALLY QUICKLY. BEFORE WE TAKE OUR BREAK. O-82. >>COUN. PEÑA: IT'S ACTUALLY COUNCILOR JONES'S LEAD ON THIS. >>COUN. DAVIS: WHOEVER WOULD LIKE TO DO IT. ITEM B. AMENDING THE CHAPTER RELATE TO THE COMMISSION ON DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND SEXUAL ASSAULT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND BY COUNCILOR PEÑA. COUNCILOR PEÑA, YOU MENTIONED THERE MIGHT BE A SPEAKER OR GUEST? >>COUN. PEÑA: NO, I THINK COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, IF YOU WANTED TO EXPLAIN THE BILL. WE HAVE SOMEBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I CAN SAY THIS IS A CLEAN UP A BIT TO THIS BILL THAT WE PASSED UNANIMOUSLY RECENTLY. THIS IS ADDING ONE ADDITIONAL PERSON TO OUR ADVISORY BOARD. WE DID NOT HAVE ANYONE REPRESENTING COMMUNITIES WITH DISABILITIES. SO WE WANTED TO ADD THAT ON. I DON'T THINK THIS IS VERY CONTROVERSIAL. IT ALSO GETS US TO AN UNEVEN NUMBER OF MEMBERS. SO, I THINK IT IS A PRETTY NONCONTROVERSIAL ISSUE. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? >> WE DO NOT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANYTHING FROM THE -- WE'LL GO TO COUNCILOR SANCHEZ AND THEN THE ADMINISTRATION. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST SEE MS. GARCIA IN THE AUDIENCE. I WAS HOPING SHE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK. >>COUN. DAVIS: SURE. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING ME EARLY. I'M THE CHAIR FOR THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. I'M JOINED BY ISIS. I'LL HAND IT OVER TO HER AND I'LL ADD CLARIFYING POINTS. >> I THINK THERE WAS A CLARIFICATION. WE'RE ADDING THE ONE ADVOCATE FROM AN ACCESSIBILITY AGE ANS. WE'RE ALSO ADDING ONE PERSON FROM THE SECOND JUDICIAL DISTRICT ATTORNEYS OFFICE. ONE MEMBER FROM THE LAW OFFICE OF THE PUBLIC DEFENDER. NEW MEXICO ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE. AND INCLUDING ONE MEMBER FROM THE ALBUQUERQUE FIRE RESCUE DEPARTMENT. AND THESE ARE ALL RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE MADE BY THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SEXUAL ASSAULT COMMISSION TO FURTHER INCLUDE AND CHANGE THE COMPOSITION TO THE MAKE UP TO ENSURE THAT EVERY AGENCY IS REPRESENTED AT ACCURATELY. FOR ALL THOSE THINGS WITH DBSA. >> I AGREE WITH HER ON CLARIFYING THAT. WE'RE EXCITED TO CONTINUE THE COORDINATED COMMUNITY RESPONSE. AND US AS A COMMISSION RECOGNIZE THAT WE NEEDED ALL OF THE PARTNERS TO BE ON COMMISSION. AND THE VOICE FOR SURVIVORS. WE'RE REALLY GRATEFUL TO HAVE THEM ON THE COMMISSION AND BE A PART OF IT TO BETTER SUPPORT AND AGAIN HAVE THAT COORDINATED COMMUNITY RESPONSE FOR SURVIVORS WITHIN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MR. PRESIDENT. I APOLOGIZE FOR MY MISSTATEMENT. WE WENT BACK AND FORTH A COUPLE OF TIMES. SOMEHOW I ONLY REMEMBERED THE ONE. I THINK THE ROUNDING OUT OF THE BOARD IS REALLY IMPORTANT. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET'S GO TO THE SPONSORS. COUNCILOR PEÑA, ANYTHING FURTHER? >>COUN. PEÑA: NO, THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WAS THE LAST SPONSOR ON THE BILL. I AMMING WANTED I JUST WAN TO DEFER TO THE ONES IN FRONT OF ME. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN AND COUNCILOR GROUT AND COUNCILOR JONES. >>COUN. BASSAN: I JUST WANT TO PRESENT MY OPPORTUNITY THAT I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TASK FORCE. THERE'S ONLY FOUR COUNCILORS ALLOWED TO BE SPONSOR ON THE BILL. I'M NOT THE LONE FEMALE THAT DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS. PLEASE, ALBUQUERQUE, KNOW, I SUPPORT DOING BETTER TO BE SAFE AND PREVENT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE FROM HAPPENING. >>COUN. DAVIS: REMINDER IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WOMEN. ALTHOUGH THAT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S AN ISSUE ACROSS THE GENDERS AND IDENTITIES NO MATTER WHERE. >>COUN. BASSAN: IT SEEMS IT CAUGHT PEOPLE'S EYE THAT I WAS THE ONLY FEMALE NOT A SPONSOR. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR GROUT AND COUNCILOR JONES AND WE'LL VOTE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'M SO GLAD THIS COMMISSION IS WORKING WELL AND THEY'RE SEEING GROWTH AND THE NEED FOR BRINGING MORE STAKEHOLDERS IN. SADLY, IT'S A VERY REAL EPIDEMIC IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND HOPEFULLY THEY CAN HELP MAKE IT BIRT IN OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. JONES: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WITH THAT SAID, AND OUR GOALS TO MAKE LIFE BETTER, I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF O-82 AS INTRODUCED SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT MATTER CARRIES 9-0. THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE A DINNER BREAK AND COME BACK AND PICK UP AT ITEM A. SEE YOU AT ABOUT 8 O'CLOCK. >>COUN. DAVIS: FOLKS WE'RE BACK FOR OUR SECOND HALF. BEFORE WE PROCEED, WE HAVE ONE MORE PERSON SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE WEREN'T ABLE TO REACH ON ZOOM. IS HE STILL AVAILABLE? >> YES, MR. PRESIDENT. WE'RE GOING TO CALL ON MICHAEL TO HAVE TWO MINUTES. MICHAEL, PLEASE PROCEED. >> ALL RIGHT. REALLY QUICKLY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I'M SORRY I HAD MISCOMMUNICATION ON MY PART. I'M GOING TO GET RIGHT INTO IT. I HAVE A LOT. I BELIEVE THAT PUBLIC COMMENT SHOULD BE HELD A LITTLE BIT SOONER. I FEEL LIKE HOLDING IT TO THE MIDDLE DICTATES HOW SOME OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS CAN ADD TO TO IS. SOME OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO ADD. WE NEED TO DOUBLE DOWN ON PUBLIC TRANSIT. THE BUS SYSTEMS ARE GREAT BUT THEY NEED TO BE DEVOTE FOR THE PEOPLE. FREE ADMISSIONS WAS AMAZING, WE NEED TO ADD MORE ROUTES. ALL ACROSS THE CITY. IT MIGHT HELP AVOID STOLEN VEHICLES WITH THAT. WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT SAFER PRECAUTIONS FOR BIKES. KEEPING THEM SEPARATE FROM DRIVERS. ESPECIALLY SINCE TRUCK AND SUV ARE SO HIGH. THE HIGH CLEARANCE MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO BE SEEN. THERE SHOULD BE MORE NATURE CONSERVATION. THE CLEAN UP WAS HARPED ON IN THIS. SAME WITH OPIOIDS. WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT MORE CLEAN UP. MAYBE HAVE -- MAKE HARSH LITTERING POLICIES. THE HIGH WIND AND POOR STORM DRAINAGE LEADS TO TRASH BUILD UP, MAYBE WITH WE CAN BUILD TREE AND FLOWERS. SO MANY PARKS HAVE SO MUCH AREA OF DPRASZ. WE CAN ADD FLOWER GARDENS. PARTROIDS CAN ADD NATIVE FLOWERS. WE NEED MORE RECYCLING. ESPECIALLY TO PARKS. THERE'S SO MANY PARKS WHERE I SEE A WHOLE LOT OF TRASH CANS BUT NO RECYCLING. AND WE NEED TOCARE FOR HOMELESS. MAYBE ADD AREA WHERES THERE ARE AC, SHOWERS, EVEN JUST MEALS AND WATER. SAFE STORAGE, INTERNET, OVERALL JUST A SAFE PLACE, THAT WHICH COULD ALSO HELP CRIME PREVENTION. THANK YOU. >> THAT CONCLUDES GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU FOR HELPING US WITH THAT. WARE BACK ON OUR AGENDA. ITEM A IS COUNCILOR BENTON AND COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. O-69. I THINK ONCE WE GET THIS INTRODUCED WE HAVE A FLOOR SUBSTITUTE. THAT WILL REQUIRE US TO -- >> MR. PRESIDENT, YOU SKIPPED APPROVALS. >>COUN. DAVIS: OH. PERFECT. MY APOLOGIES. THANK YOU, MR. MOYA. WE'RE GOING TO SKIP OVER MR. WHELAN. LET'S GO TO APPROVALS. APPOINTMENT OF MATTHEW WHELAN. I MOVE CONFIRMATION. I GOT COUNCILOR BENTON WITH THE SECOND. MR. WHELAN, COME ON DOWN. I'M SURE COUNCILORS HAVE LOTS OF PROBING QUESTIONS. WE HAVE ONE BIG ONE, WHICH IS WHY DO YOU WANT THIS JOB AND TELL US WHY YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS IS BECAUSE I DEDICATE MY CAREER TO THE CITY. 11 YEARS AGO. I'VE BEEN IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. I WORKED UNDER A COUPLE ADMINISTRATIONS. I FEEL LIKE WHAT WE DO ON A DAILY BASIS AND THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE AND THE DECISION THE ADMINISTRATION MAKE, WE SEE THOSE EVERY DAY. I WANT TO CONTINUE TO SERVE THE CITY. WHEN I LEFT PUBLIC ACCOUNTING 12 YEARS AGO, KIND OF LIKE WHAT I'M GOING TO DO WHEN I GREW UP. I CAME TO THE CITY AND WENT THROUGH DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PARKS, AND THEN UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION THERE WAS THE DIRECTOR OF SOLID WASTE WHICH MOST PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, BUT MY GRANDFATHER OWNED THE SOLID WASTE COMPANY. WHEN CAO RAEL MADE THIS COMMENT, HE SAID, I DIDN'T KNOW HIM, I SEEN HIM FROM AFAR, HE SAID, FOR SOME REASON I THINK YOU WOULD BE A GOOD FIT AT SOLID WASTE. I TOLD HIM, DO I LOOK LIKE TRASH TO YOU? I THINK I OFFENDED HIM. HE PUSHED HIS SALAD TO THE MIDDLE OF THE TABLE. I TOLD HIM MY FAMILY HISTORY. AFTER THAT HE SAID YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE JOB. WHICH I SAID NO. AND THEN WE TALKED A COUPLE MORE TIMES AND I ENDED UP TAKING THE JOB. IT'S BEEN A PROGRESSION. I JUST WANT TO CONTINUE TO SERVE THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE. AND CONTINUE WITH THE CITY COUNCIL. AND DO WHAT I CAN TO MAKE ALBUQUERQUE THE PLACE WE KNOW IT IS. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, SIR. LET ME SAY, I WAS PROUD TO SPONSOR THIS ON BEHALF OF THE MAYOR, MAINLY BECAUSE YOU'RE ONE OF THE MOST RESPONSIVE AND REALLY NO MATTER WHAT SIDE YOU'RE ON, WHETHER WE'RE DOING IT OR NOT, YOU LED BOTH SIDES THROUGH THAT. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF THINGS AND A LOT OF SOLID WASTE THAT IS ALWAYS ON IT PLATE. MEDIAN AND CLEAN UPS. BUT AS A LEADER YOU'RE GETTING STUFF DONE. SOMETIMES EVEN NOT IN YOUR PEEL WHEEL HOUSE BUT YOU TAKE IT ON. IT'S EXACTLY THE FOLKS THAT WE NEED TO HEAD UP THE BIG TICKET ITEMS AND ISSUES IN THE CITY. COUNCILORS, OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT. >>COUN. GROUT: I CONCUR WITH COUNCILOR DAVIS'S COMMENT. EVERY TIME I REACHED OUT TO YOUR DEPARTMENT YOU HAVE BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE. AND VERY TIMELY TOO. I APPRECIATE THAT. PEOPLE IN YOUR DEPARTMENT, EVERY TIME I INTERACTED WITH THEM THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN WONDERFUL. I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT CONTINUED RELATIONSHIP OF RESPONSE. AND WORKING FOR THE CITIZENS IN ALBUQUERQUE. THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO DEAL WITH DIRECTOR WHELAN ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS. FOR THE MOST PART, YOU HAVE HELPED ME OUT ON CERTAIN THINGS. THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT I THINK ARE VERY, VERY IMPORTANT IN REFERENCE TO NOT ONLY YOU BUT TO THE COUNCIL. YOU KNOW, THERE'S TIMES WHERE COUNCIL HAS SOME DISCUSSIONS AND MAYBE SOME ISSUES WITH THE ADMINISTRATION OR DISAGREEMENTS AND DURING THOSE ISSUES OR DISAGREEMENTS THOSE ISSUES NEED TO BE WORKED OUT. ACCORDING TO CITY CHARTER. AND BASED ON CITY CHARTER THOSE DISAGREEMENTS HAVEN'T BEEN WORKED OUT AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED FOR OVER A YEAR AND A HALF. THIS CITY COUNCIL HAS PUT FORTH, WE KNOW WE NEED AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL COMMITTEE IN REFERENCE TO WORK OUT THE DISAGREEMENTS BETWEEN COUNCIL AND THE ADMINISTRATION. AND THAT INTERGOVERNMENTAL COMMITTEE IS SUPPOSED TO BE COMPRISED OF COUNCIL APPOINTMENT, MAYOR'S OFFICE APPOINTMENT AND THOSE TWO VOYAGES APPOINT THE THIRD PERSON SO THERE'S A TIEBREAKER TO DEAL WITH INTERGOVERNMENTAL COMMITTEE ISSUES. THERE'S SEVERAL. ONE OF THEM IS THIS ISSUE. THIS IS NOT A POSITION THAT IS ACTUALLY ON THE CHARTER. SEEING THAT, THAT WOULD BE A DISCUSSION THAT WE SHOULD BE DEALING WITH ON THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL COMMITTEE. SHOULD THIS PERSON BE COMING INTO THE COUNCIL AND ASKING FOR CONFIRMATION WHEN IT'S NOT LISTED ON THE CHARTER. THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES I'M HAVING HARD TIME IS WITH ADMINISTRATION IGNORING THE ACTUAL INTERGOVERNMENTAL COMMITTEE THAT'S IN THE CITY CHARTER. AND THOSE ARE -- THE COUNCIL HAS PUT FORTH THEIR INDIVIDUALS FOR THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL COMMITTEE TO DEAL WITH DISAGREEMENTS. BUT THE CITY, AND THE ADMINISTRATION, AM THEYER'S OFFICE, HAS CONTINUED TO IGNORE AND PUT THEIR PERSON FORTH TO DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES. I HAVE A BIG, BIG PROBLEM WITH THE DEALING WITH NEW, DIFFERENT APPOINTMENTS OR DIFFERENT TITLES, THAT WE NEED TO BE DEALING WITH IN TERMS OF THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL COMMITTEE AND SOME OF THE DISAGREEMENTS. THAT IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO DEAL WITH. I HOPE THE OTHER COUNCILORS AGREE THERE ARE DISAGREEMENTS. AND THEY NEED TO BE BROUGHT TO LIGHT. RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN. AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL COMMITTEE IS INTACT AND RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT. I NEED TO DEAL WITH AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL COMMITTEE IN REFERENCE TO THIS. THAT IS MY BIG ISSUE. I DON'T HAVE SO MUCH OF AN ISSUE WITH YOU. I DON'T SEE MYSELF MAKING ANY APPOINTMENTS OR CONFIRMING ANYBODY UNTIL WE DEAL WITH IT. WE ALSO HAVE A DISAGREEMENT WITH THE POLICE CHIEF. THE POLICE CHIEF SUPPOSED TO BE COMING TO CONFIRMATION? WE HAVEN'T SEEN HIM AT ALL. I HAVE BEEN A CITY COUNCILLOR FOR A YEAR AND EIGHT MONTHS, AND WE'VE HAD THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL COMMITTEE TRYING TO GET STARTED AND YET IT'S BEEN IGNORED FOR THE WHOLE TIME. LIKE I SAID, NOT NECESSARILY HITTING ON YOU, BUT I'M HITTING ON THE ADMINISTRATION FOR NOT ABIDING BY THE CITY CHARTER. BASED ON THIS, WE HAD A DISCUSSION THE OTHER DAY, AND WHEN WE SAT DOWN TO TALK, I EXPRESSED TO YOU A LOT OF THE ISSUES GOING ON WITH THE CITY. AND YOU JUST SIT THERE AND NODDED YOUR HEAD. YOU DIDN'T TELL ME ANYTHING ABOUT YOU HOW TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES. I KNOW THEY'RE NOT IN YOUR WHEEL HOUSE ALL THE WAY BUT YOU'RE WORKING FOR AN ADMINISTRATION THAT HAS A FAILED POLICE CHIEF AND NOT ABLE TO BUILD A DEPARTMENT. AND WE STILL HAVE A MAJOR CRIME PROBLEM IN THIS TOWN. I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS IN REFERENCE TO THOSE TWO ISSUES BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, I SAY THANK YOU FOR LUNCH BECAUSE YOU DID BUY LUNCH, BUT YOU LEFT IN A HALF HOUR. I DIDN'T THINK WE WERE EVEN FINISHED TALKING. AND YOU GOT UP AND LEFT. SO, BECAUSE OF THAT, AND BECAUSE OF THE ISSUES, I'M GOING TO SAY NO. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHE -- I JUST WANT TO SAY WE HAD BREAKFAST. I HAD A MEETING I HAD TO GET TO. I WAS WITH YOU FOR 30 MINUTES. I HEARD EVERYTHING YOU SAID. AND I ALWAYS DONE, WHETHER IT'S GETTING CONFIRMED OR IF I DON'T GET CONFIRMED. I'M STILL GOING TO WORK FOR THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE. ITS ONE OF THE THINGS WHERE I HAVE DONE EVERYTHING I NEEDED TO DO AND TRYING TO DO AND CONTINUE TO DO WHEN IT CAME TO HANDLING HOMELESSNESS AND EVERYTHING THAT IS PUT ON MY PLATE. I HANDLE IT. I RESPECT WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. AND I RESPECT THAT. AND WILL APOLOGIZE THAT I DIDN'T SPEND MORE TIME WITH YOU. MY SCHEDULE HAS BEEN HECTIC DOING BOTH JOBS. I AM WILLING TO CONTINUE TO MEET WITH YOU AND TALK TO YOU AND WHETHER IT'S IN THIS POSITION OR ANY POSITION AS I HAVE ALWAYS DONE FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE I WILL REPRESENT IT THE WAY I SHOULD AND WORK HARD FOR THE RESIDENTS. WHETHER HERE OR AT SOLID WASTE. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. AND I APPRECIATE YOU MEETING WITH ME. LIKE I SAID, MY DECISION IS NOT TOTALLY BASED ON OUR MEETING. IT IS HAVING A LOT TO DO WITH THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL IN REFERENCE DEAL WITH ISSUES. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I JUST WANT TO CALL POINT OF ORDER. IN THE CITY CHARTER, THE CITY COUNCIL PASSED A CHARTER TO -- ANY CITY COUNCIL IS WELCOME TO INTRODUCE AN ORDINANCE TO REQUEST ANY COMMITTEE. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY INTRODUCED. I'M NOT AWARE IF WE HAVE A PROCESS OR REQUIREMENT AT THIS POINT. COUNCILORS, OTHER QUESTIONS? >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. DIRECTOR WHELAN, DEPUTY DIRECTOR, I JUST WANTED TO YOU TO REMIND US OF THE FIVE DEPARTMENTS THAT WOULD BE IN YOUR PURVIEW. >> I'LL BE OVERSEEING SOLID WASTE, PARKS AND RECREATION FCS AND ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH. AND THE HEALTH AND HH DEPARTMENT. WHICH IS THE OTHER DEPARTMENT THAT HANDLES ALL OF THE HOMELESS ISSUES. THOSE ARE THE FIVE DEPARTMENTS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU FOR THE REMINDER. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. MR. WHELAN, I THINK A BIG PART OF THE JOB IS KNOWING AND HAVING THE DESIRE TO GET THINGS DONE. AND KNOWING WHEN TO GET TO WORK AND GET THE DEPARTMENTS WORKING AND BEING VERY RESPONSIVE. I THINK YOUR RESUME AND ACTIONS YOU'VE SHOWN OVER THE YEARS AND ON THE NUMBER OF MANY DIFFERENT CHALLENGES AND PROJECTS THAT I WORKED WITH YOU ON, AND CONTACT YOU, YOU DEMONSTRATED YOURSELF IN THAT WAY. SO, I WOULD EXPECT THAT YOU PROBABLY HAVE A LOT OF OPINIONS ON CERTAIN THINGS AND THINGS WE TALK ABOUT. AND PROBABLY IN THIS POSITION THOSE THINGS AREN'T REALLY AS IMPORTANT AS SERVING AND DOING WHAT YOU DO. I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR MOST RECENT POSITION AND HOW YOU SERVED AND HOW YOU BEEN CERTAINLY SERVING THE WHOLE CITY OUR DISTRICT TOO. I'M SUPPORTING YOU IN THIS POSITION AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCIL, I HAVE KNOWN MATTHEW SINCE MY DAY ONE AT THE CITY. SINCE DECEMBER 2017. AND I WOULD ECHO THE SENTIMENTS THAT MOST OF YOU EXPRESSED. HE'S VERY RESPONSIVE AND COMES FROM THE FAMILY WHERE THE GARBAGE AND IN THEIR DNA. WE CALL HIM THE -- HE COMES FROM THE GARBAGE FAMILY. HE'S ONE OF THE BEST DIRECTORS WE SPLCH WE CALL HIM THE DIRECTOR'S DIRECTOR. WHEN WE HAVE A NEW DIRECTOR WE TELL THEM TO HAVE LUNCH WITH MATTHEW BECAUSE HE'S VERY VERSATILE. NOT JUST IN THE DEPARTMENT HE MANAGES, BUT HE'S ALSO VERY GOOD WITH THE FINANCE BUDGET, HR. AND ALL OF THE OTHER MANAGEMENT ISSUES THAT THE DIRECTORS HAVE TO DEAL WITH ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS. HE'S ONE OF THE BEST WE HAVE. HEARING ABOUT HIM COMING SINCE 2018, FINALLY THAT DAY HAS ARRIVED. I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT HE IS -- THE ADMINISTRATION WANTS HIM AS DEPUTY CAO. THAT'S A REQUIREMENT PER CHARTER TO BE CONFIRMED. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. I HAVE NOTHING BUT PRAISE FOR MR. WHELAN. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT IN CONFIRMING HIS APPOINTMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. LAST CALL. COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. BENTON: I JUST WANT TO SAY, I'M VERY, VERY PLEASED TO HEAR OF THIS APPOINTMENT. YOU KNOW TO THE ACCOLADES THAT WE'VE HEARD ABOUT MR. WHELANS RESPONSIVENESS AND EVERY POSITION HE'S BEEN IN IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH HIM. AND I'M REALLY PLEASED. THANK YOU. >>COUN. JONES: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. MATTHEW, YOU HAVE DONE QUITE A FEW PROJECTS TOGETHER. YOU'VE ALWAYS PULLED IT THROUGH. THANK YOU. SOME VERY DIFFICULT THINGS SOMETIMES. YOU'RE A GOOD LEADER. AND YOU KNOW HOW TO TREAT PEOPLE WELL. AND YOU GET THE JOB DONE. NO MATTER WHAT IT IS YOU MANAGE TO GET IT DONE. I DEFINITELY SUPPORT YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL RIGHT. SEEING NO OTHER COMMENTS. THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS MOTION FOR CONFIRMATION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? THAT CARRIES 8-1 WITH COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >> THANK YOU. I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH EVERYBODY. >>COUN. DAVIS: NOW WE'RE BACK TO ITEM A. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, COUNCILOR BENTON, AS A REMINDER, THEY HAVE A FLOOR SUBSTITUTE. IF IT'S PASSING WE NEED TO HOLD IT OVER FOR THE NEW BILL. BY PROCESS, WE AT LEAST GET ONE MORE ROUND IF IT PASSES. COUNCILOR BENTON. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. O-69 IS AMENDING THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE SECTION 13-19-1 THROUGH 13-1918-08 TO REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT TO TO RESPOND TO CONCERN AND PERMITS. THAT WAS THE TITLE OF WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE US. THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE CHANGES THE TITLE AS WELL AS SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGES THE BILL. I'LL MOVE A DO PASS FOR O-69. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. DO YOU HAVE A FLOOR SUB? >>COUN. BENTON: YES, THANK YOU. I WILL MOVE THE FLOOR SUBTO R-69. AND -- BUT THIS EXISTING ORDINANCE HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR SOMETIME NOW. AND IT WAS ORIGINALLY ENACTED IN OCTOBER 2020. IT ALREADY DOES THE FOLLOWING THINGS. CITY BUSINESS REGISTRATION. PAY YOUR TAXES. MAPE TAIN INSURANCE. DISPLAY PERMIT NUMBER INSIDE THE UNIT. AND ON ANY MARKETING MATERIAL. DISPLAY A GOOD NEIGHBOR AGREEMENT INSIDE THE UNIT. PROVIDE THE ADDRESSES AND CONTACT FOR INFORMATION FOR AN OPERATOR OR AGENT AVAILABLE 24-7. PROVIDE A FLOOR PLAN OF THE UNIT AND SIGN A STATEMENT THEY WILL OPERATE IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL APPLICANTABLE REGULATIONS. THAT EXISTING ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE WAS ENACTED AFTER A SHORT-TERM RENTAL TASK FORCE WAS CONVENED. AND DEALT INTO THE QUESTIONS IN REGARD TO SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND THE MULTIPLE LINES BETWEEN NOVEMBER 2018 AND JUNE 2019. AND CHANGED THE NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT AFFECTED THE BILL. AND STILL AFFECT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT. AND IT INCLUDED NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTATIVES, CITY STAFF, THE INDUSTRY SHORT-TERM RENTAL INDUSTRY, TOURISM INDUSTRY, AND HOTEL AND LODGING INDUSTRY. THESE RECOMMENDATIONS HAD A LOT OF BACKING. WHERE WE ARE TODAY, ON THE LAST THREE MONTHS OR LET'S SEE THREE MONTHS UP UNTIL THE TIME OFFENSE THIS STAFF WRITE UP, FEBRUARY, MARCH AND JULY OF 2023, THE NUMBER OF UNITS HOVERED AROUND 1250 AND 1430 UNITS. THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD RANGE. THERE'S SOME IN OPERATION AND SOME NOT. ALSO IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT MANY OF THESE NUMBERS ARE NOT REGISTERED ACCORD TO THE ORDINANCE. SO, ROUGHLY TWO THIRDS SPLIT ARE DO UP FOR PERMITS. AND OTHERS DO NOT. SO, AS INTRODUCED IN THIS ORDINANCE DID A NUMBER OF THINGS. RATHER THAN TALK ABOUT ALL THE THINGS STILL IN IT, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE REMOVING FROM THE ORIGINAL. REQUIRING A LOCAL MANAGER. THE LIMITATION BY THE NATURAL PERSONS. THIS WOULD STILL ALLOW LIMITED PARTNERSHIPS AND CORPORATION ENTITIES TO OWN THE SPRs. AND WE ALSO HAVE REMOVING THE CAP OF 1800 THAT WE HAD IN THE ORIGINAL BILL. I THINK THAT ENDED UP GETTING INTO THE ORIGINAL BILL BY AMENDMENT. AND REMOVING THAT. WHAT'S NEW IN THE BILL. AND AS WAS SAID WE HAVE TO REQUIRE TO DEFER THIS. WE LOOK FORWARD TO REOPENING IT DISCUSSION ABOUT IT WITH SOME DIFFERENT APROICHS. WE'RE LOOKING AT A 330-FOOT IN ALL DIRECTION SEPARATION. SO, I CAN SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE, AND IT'S BEEN THE EXPERIENCE THAT A GREAT PROLIFERATION OF THESE CAN REALLY DAMAGE QUALITY IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. LET'S FACE IT. THEY'RE PEOPLE WITHOUT A STAKE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD ANYMORE REGULARLY USING THE PROPERTY IN A COMMERCIAL MANNER. ALSO SINGLE ROOMS WITHIN AN OCCUPIED HOUSE DO NOT -- ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE DISTANCE SEPARATION. THAT 330 FEET IS NOT A RANDOM NUMBER. THAT'S A NUMBER THAT IS CONSISTENTLY USED THROUGHOUT ZONING AND IT'S ROUGHLY THAT DISTANCE OF THE AVERAGE CITY BLOCK IN THE OLD DAYS. 330 FEET WAS THE STANDARD. SINGLE ROOMS WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO THAT LIMITATION. ALSO, TO PROVIDING LEGACY LANGUAGE THAT STATES IF YOU ALREADY HAVE MULTIPLE UNITS AND THEY DON'T MEET THE 330 FOOT REQUIREMENT THEY'RE STILL PERMISSIBLE AS LONG AS YOU OWN THAT PROPERTY. REPLACE CRIMINAL PENALTIES WITH CIVIL PENALTIES. THAT'S ANOTHER IMPORTANT CHANGE IN THE FLOOR SUB. AND SOME GENERAL CORRECTIONS WITHIN THE BILL. MINOR CORRECTIONS OF THE CONTENT OF THE BILL. I THINK I'LL SPEAK FOR COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, JUST TO RESTART THE CONVERSATION. WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF THE MOM AND POP STRs REALLY DIDN'T GET UP IN ARMS OVER THE REGULATION. THEY'RE ALREADY DOING MOST OF THE THINGS THAT ARE NEEDED. AND IT'S NOT AN ISSUE. I THINK A LOT OF THE OBJECTIONS CAME FROM THE FOLKS WHO HAD MULTIPLE UNITS AND HAD PARTNERSHIPS ON THE UNITS. LLC TYPE PARTNERSHIPS THAT ARE WORKING AS A GROUP IN THE OWNERSHIP. AND WE DO HAVE ONE AMENDMENT FROM MYSELF AND COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. I KNOW COUNCILOR BASSAN ALSO HAS AN IMPORTANT AMENDMENT THAT I LOOKED AT. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY ISSUE. I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT AMENDMENT. YEAH, THAT IS MY BEST SUMMARY. WANT ME TO MOVE THE AMENDMENT? I'LL MOVE THE FLOOR SUB. AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION TO APPROVAL A FLOOR SUB? >>COUN. BASSAN: I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ON THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS ON THIS BEFORE SO WE CAN HEAR THEIR OPINIONS ON THE FLOOR SUB, AND THE ORIGINAL BILL. >>COUN. DAVIS: SO WE MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS JAMES FOLLOWED BY CARL. >> HELLO, THANK YOU FOR THE FULL TWO MINUTES. I'LL TALK SLOWER THAN LAST TIME. MY NAME IS JAMES, I LIVE IN DISTRICT FOUR. AND I'M A PRO-HOUSING ACTIVIST WITH LIVED EXPERIENCE. I'M PROUD TO SAY I WAS NOMINATED AND ELECTED TO HOPE WORKS BOARD OF DIRECTORS. I URGE ALL COUNCILORS TO SUPPORT THE O-69 AND NOT THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE. EVERY SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROPERTY TAKES A PROPERTY OUT OF THE HOUSING SUPPLY. AND WE'RE IN A HOUSING CRISIS AND WE MUST DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO INCREASE THE SUPPLY OF HOUSING FOR EVERYONE. AT ALL INCOME LEVELS. THIS BILL DOES NOT SEEM TO BE UNREASONABLE TO THE SHORT-TERM RENTERS DURING THE HOUSING CRISIS. I SUPPORT THE IDEA THAT EVERYONE THAT OPERATES A SHORT-TERM RENTAL SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO GET A PERMIT. ACCORD TO THE JOURNAL, ONLY 60% OF THE RENTALS HAVE PERMITS. I THINK WE NEED A BETTER JOB OF ENFORCEMENT ON THE 2020 RENTAL ORDINANCE. PLEASE CONTINUE TO SPORT ALBUQUERQUE HOUSING FORWARD. THANK YOU. >> CARL FOLLOWED BY DIEGO. >> THANK YOU. I FEEL LIKE I'M TALKING ABOUT TWO BILLS WITH TWO MINUTES. I'LL BE QUICK. WE'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT THE MAP OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS. I'D LIKE TO THIS SUBMITTED WITH THE BILL. THERE ARE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WILL NO LONGER QUALIFIED FOR PERMITS. AND WE HAVE LOT OF FAMILIES THAT WOULD LIKE TO RENT THEIR HOUSES AND THEY CAN'T. IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT PRE-PANDEMIC WE WERE AT ALMOST 2700 UNITS IN THE CITY. AND ALONG WITH SUPPLY AND DEMAND, OUR UNITS GO UP AND DOWN. EVEN THIS LAST DECEMBER, WE HAD 2,773 UNITS OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS. WE'RE DOWN TO 2490. THE MARKET TIGHTENED UP AND LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE HAD TO SHUT DOWN THEIR RENTALS. AND DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH THEM. WHETHER IT'S SELL THE HOUSE OR CONVERT THEM. THE POINT BEING IS SUPPLY AND DEMAND IS TAKING CARE OF THIS PROBLEM. 66% OF THE RENTALS ARE PART-TIME RENTALS. WE'RE REQUIRING PEOPLE TO GO PERMITS EVEN IF THEY RENT THEIR HOUSE FOR A WEEK A YEAR. THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT. AND LET ME TELL YOU I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR MY PERMIT. I HAD A PERMIT, I APPLIED FOR A REPERMIT, AND IT IS SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS I TILL DON'T HAVE A PERMIT. EVERYTHING IS PAID. EVERYTHING IS SUBMITTED. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE AS A REALTOR IF I'M TRYING TO FIND A HOUSE FOR A BUYER, HOW AM I GOING TO DETERMINE WHERE I CAN GET A HOUSE FOR THEM AND DO DILIGENCE PERIODS ON RESIDENTIAL REAL ESTATE OR VERY SHORT. WE'RE GOING TO TIE UP A HOUSE THAT, YOU KNOW, IS FOR SALE. THEY'LL TIE UP. AND THEY'LL SAY THIS ONE DOESN'T WORK AND THE SELLER IS NOT OUT. I'M ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO PLEASE VOTE AGAINST THE FLOOR AMENDMENT AND IF POSSIBLE I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AGAIN IF IT GOES BACK TO THE OTHER ONE. IF NOT I SPOKE PLENTY OVER THE LAST YEAR. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE HAVE THE EMAIL TODAY. WE CAN INCLUDE IT. >>COUN. LEWIS: I KNOW YOU DID A LOT OF RESEARCH. APPRECIATE IT ON THIS. YOU MENTIONED THAT ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGHOUT THE CITY WOULD BE LIMITED. OR NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE DOING SHORT-TERM RENTAL. WHY IS THAT? ARE YOU SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY OF THE FLOOR SUB? >> YES. FOR THE FLOOR SUBON DENSITY REQUIREMENT, NOB HILL, OLD TOWN, DOWNTOWN, AND ALONG ALL THE MAJOR CORRIDORS, THESE AREAS OF TOWN ALREADY HAVE RENTALS THAT ARE SPREAD THROUGH THEM. TRYING TO FIND ANYTHING WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT. AND I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE OUR CONTRACTORS THAT ARE COMING IN TOWN FOR NURSING, FACEBOOK, MOVIE INDUSTRIES, ARE STAYING IN THIS AREA. SOMETIMES THEY'RE HERE FOR TWO DAYS AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE HERE FOR THREE TO SIX MONTHS. AND WE RENT OUR HOUSES OUT TO THEM ON A MID-TERM BASIS BUT ALSO HAVE TO THROW THEM ON A SHORT-TERM BASIS FOR FILLING VACANCY TO MAKE THE BUSINESS VIABLE. IF WE CAN'T GET PERMITS IN THOSE AREAS IT MAKES IT EVEN MORE CHALLENGING FOR OUR CONTRACTORS WHO HERE FOR WORK. >>COUN. LEWIS: I'LL INTERESTED IN YOUR SPECIFIC PERMIT. WERE YOU GIVEN AN EXPLANATION OF WHY IT IS TAKING SIX WEEKS? >> IT STARTED, I HAVE A BUSINESS LICENSE. AND MY BUSINESS LICENSE IS UNDER MY HOME ADDRESS. I AM A PROPERTY MANAGER. I REPRESENT ABOUT 50 RENTALS FOR OTHER PEOPLE. I HAVE THREE RENTALS THAT ARE MY OWN THAT ARE SHORT-TERM. MY BUSINESS REGISTRATION WAS UNDER MY HOME ADDRESS. AND I COMMITTED THAT AND THE CITY TURNED IT DOWN AND SAID YOU CAN'T SUBMIT THIS WE NEED THE BUSINESS REGISTRATION TO BE AT THE RENTAL. WHICH WOULD MAKE SENSE, BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT AS LONG-TERM RENTAL, IF YOU'RE A PROPERTY OF 2,000 RENTALS LIKE TYSON PROPERTY, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE A BUSINESS REGISTRATION FOR EVERY HOUSE THEY REPRESENT. THEY HAVE ONE PLACE OF BUSINESS AND THE CITY IS REQUIRING ME TO GET A BUSINESS LICENSE -- REGISTRATION AT EVERY UNIT. WHY DO I NEED TO HAVE ALL THESE REGISTRATIONS FOR EACH UNIT? WE GOT THAT CORRECTED AND I WENT THROUGH MANY CALLS AT THE CITY TO GET IT CORRECTED. I NOW SUBMITTED EVERYTHING AGAIN. I'VE HAD FLOOR PLANS THAT ARE LASER MEASURES AND TEN PAGES LONG THAT GOT TURNED DOWN BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T MEET REQUIREMENTS. AND RIGHT NOW IT'S SUBMITTED AND I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S CURRENTLY PENDING. I'M SURE I'M HOPING IT WILL GO THROUGH. IF IT DOESN'T GO THROUGH, I'LL SURE I'LL ADDRESS WHAT IT IS AND GET THAT FIXED. >>COUN. LEWIS: IN YOUR RESEARCH, AND IN EXPERIENCE, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE THAT WOULD INDICATE TO YOU FROM YOUR RESEARCH THAT THIS FLOOR SUBSTITUTE WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO CREATING MORE HOUSING IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE? >> IT'S NOT GOING TO CREATE MORE HOUSING. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BENTON HAD A QUESTION. >>COUN. BENTON: YEAH. IT'S NOTHING -- IT'S NOT GOING TO CREATE MORE HOUSING. IT POTENTIALLY COULD PRESERVE HOUSING THAT IS ACTUALLY OCCUPIED BY FAMILIES YEAR ROUND. WOULD YOU DENY THAT? >> I WON'T DENY IT. WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS A LOT OF OUR FAMILIES, SIR, ARE PEOPLE WITH SECOND HOMES WHERE THEY LIVE IN ALBUQUERQUE PART-TIME. AND THEY DON'T ALL LIVE HERE FULL-TIME. THEY WORK AND HAVE JOBS AND THEY TRAVEL AND LOT OF PEOPLE RENT THEIR HOMES OUT WHILE THEY'RE NOT HERE. WE HAVE A LOT OF MARRIED COUPLES AND A LOT OF DIVORCEES THAT WILL BE DATING SOMEONE AND YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE DATING AND SOMEONE HAS A HOUSE AND THEY'LL REPRESENT THAT HOUSE AND KNOW STATE AT THE SIGNIFICANT OTHER'S HOUSE AND GENERATE INCOME TO PAY MORTGAGES OR SEND KIDS TO SCHOOL. >>COUN. BENTON: YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION. LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION. ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE CITY AGREED YOU CAN GET ONE PERMIT FOR ALL OF YOUR -- >> THEY HAVE NOT. I HAD TO CHANGE ALL OF MY PERMITS. RIGHT NOW I HAVE A PERMIT AT EVERY SINGLE HOUSE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS INCORRECT. >>COUN. BENTON: I'M GLAD THEY'RE DOING IT. I THINK THEY SHOULD BE PERMITTED. LOOK, YOU'RE ASKING FOR A BUSINESS LICENSE. THEREFORE, YOU'RE RUNNING A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. THAT'S THE BIG ISSUE THAT I HAVE. IT'S DETRIMENTAL TO NEIGHBORHOOD QUALITY. DETRIMENTAL TO THE EYES ON THE STREET. IF I'M SHORT-TERM, WHAT YOU DESCRIBED, THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTAND. THAT'S STILL A LONG-TERM RENTAL, I BELIEVE. MOST PEOPLE WOULD. I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT FIGURES IN. I'VE SEEN PLACES AND OTHER CITIES, WHERE I SPEND LOT OF TIME, WHERE THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY IS EVAPORATING FOR THE FULL-TIME RESIDENT. THAT'S WHY THAT MAP I THINK IS PREPARED BY YOUR ASSOCIATION WITH THE DENSITY MAP ILLUSTRATES TO ME THAT SOME AREAS ARE REALLY MORE AND MORE GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY FOR WHICH THE PROPERTY IS NOT ZONED. >>COUN. DAVIS: IF IT'S OKAY, LET'S GO BACK TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> CAN I ADD ONE THING? >>COUN. DAVIS: NO, SIR. WAY OVER YOUR TWO MINUTES. >>COUN. LEWIS: I FOLLOW UP SINCE SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE. I ASK HIM TO FINISH HIS THOUGHT. HE DID A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THIS. HE'S BEEN WITH US THROUGH THE WHOLE DISCUSSION. I THINK THAT THE STATEMENT THAT A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IS DETRIMENTAL TO THE QUALITY OF NEIGHBORHOODS AS OPPOSED TO LONG-TERM RENTALS, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT BACKS THAT UP. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO FINISH YOUR THOUGHT. I'M ASSUMING IT WAS IN RESPONSE. >> YES, SIR, WE ARE ZONED CORRECTLY. AND WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE IDO SHORT-TERM RENTAL ZONING. AND WE'RE ALLOWED TO OPERATE. WE'RE RENTING OUR PERSONAL PROPERTY. WHETHER IT'S FOR A YEAR AT A TIME OR FAMILY TRYING TO GENERATE INCOME RENTING TWO DAYS AT A TIME. YOU'RE RENTING YOUR PROPERTY. WE GENERATED $216 MILLION OF ECONOMIC ACTIVITY FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE IN 2022 WHICH IS A STUDY EACH OF YOU HAVE. WE CONTRIBUTED 22300 JOBS. AND $14 MILLION IN TAXES THAT THE CITY COLLECTED. THERE IS TREMENDOUS GOOD THAT IS COMING FROM OUR SHORT-TERM RENTALS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: HOW MANY VISITORS DO WE ACCOMMODATE? >> I BELIEVE IT WAS 430,000 STAYED AT SHORT-TERM RINTALS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: HOW MUCH DID THEY GENERATE OR LEAVE HERE? HOW MUCH MONEY DID THEY LEAVE? >> $216 MILLION WAS THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN 2022. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: 14 MILLION IN TAXES. >> I FORGET THE NUMBER, THE HOMEOWNERS THAT RENT THE HOUSE, I'M SORRY. IT'S ESCAPING ME. $2 MILLION IN RENT THAT CAME IN. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. REALLY QUICKLY, WE HAVE TO GET GOING. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF ACTUAL SHORT-TERM RENTALS VERSUS REGULAR HOUSING OR REGULAR RENTALS IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. >> IT'S UNDER 1%. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: UNDER ONE PERCENT? >> YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THAT'S WITH THE 2,000. >> THANK YOU, GUYS. >>COUN. DAVIS: MR. LOPEZ. WELCOME. >> THANK YOU. COUNCILOR DAVIS, I HAVE AN ACTIVE PERMIT BP2023-08984. IT TOOK ME THREE MONTHS TO GET IT. AND I HAVE ALSO -- THIS PROJECT NEEDS THREE PERMITS. I GOT ANOTHER PERMIT. AND THAT ONE IS BP2023-098937. THAT TOOK LONGER AND APPLIED FOR ON THE SAME DAY. I'VE BEEN PAYING A MORTGAGE ON THAT. PROPERTY FOR THREE MONTH. IT'S JUST SITTING THERE. THE BUILDER HAD TO FIND ANOTHER JOB. SO, HE SAID HOPEFULLY IN SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER I CAN GET BACK TO YOU. I'M PAYING MORE MONEY AT 10% BECAUSE IT'S A CONSTRUCTION. ALSO ON THIS PROPERTY WHICH ISN'T YOUR PROBLEM, BUT THIS CITY HAS A UTILITY CALLED PNM. AND WHEN I BOUGHT THE HOUSE THE ELECTRICAL LINE WAS COMING THROUGH MY NEIGHBOR'S PINE TREES OVER HIS POOL. AND THE NEIGHBOR OBJECTED TO THAT SO THE POWER WHAT WAS CUT OFF TO THE HOME. I'VE OWNED THIS HOME FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS IN NOVEMBER. AND I'VE HAD $50,000 OF MORTGAGE PAYMENTS. HOW CAN I RENT THAT REASONABLY TO A CITIZEN FOR LONG-TERM AND BREAK EVEN? YOU CAN'T. AND THAT'S WHY YOU'RE JUST MESSING UP A LOT OF PEOPLE'S LIVES WITH THIS SHORT-TERM RENTAL RESTRICTIONS AND YOU'RE REALLY HELPING MOTELS AND HOTELS AND THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE. >> UP NEXT IS SHANE FOLLOWED BY JIM. >> MR. COUNCILOR, PRESIDENT, I JUST WANT TO THROW OUT A COUPLE ANECDOTAL STORIES. I OWN FIVE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. ONE OF THEM IS IN THE NORTHEAST HEIGHTS. NEAR CNM OFF MORRIS AND MONTGOMERY. MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR IS DECLINING IN HIS MIND AND DEMENTIA. SAD STORY. JUST A NICE GUY. HIS FAMILY HAD TO TAKE HIM HOME. HIS HOUSE WAS SITTING NEXT DOOR TO MINE. IT'S A TOWNHOUSE. HE WAS A HOARDER. HIS SON HAS TO DEAL WITH HIS ISSUES. OF COURSE HE'S STAYING NEXT DOOR AT MY AIR B&B. THIS IS ONE ANECDOTE OF MANY STORIES WHERE IT'S NOT JUST BRINGING IN PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY TO RUIN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS COUNCILOR. COUNCILOR BENTON, SPECIFICALLY. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN HERE TO ENJOY ALBUQUERQUE. OR TO LIVE HERE BECAUSE THEY HAD A DEATH IN THE FAMILY OR GRADUATION OR WEDDING. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO ENJOY WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, OUR NUMBER ONE INDUSTRY IS TRAVEL. THE LAST THING I WOULD WANT ANY OF US TO VOTE DOWN IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO ALLOW MORE PEOPLE TO COME HERE, SPEND MONEY AND ENJOY WHAT IS GREAT ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY AND ENVIRONMENT. AREAS THAT ARE MORE HIGHLY DENSE WILL HAVE MORE SHORT-TERM RENTALS, OF COURSE NOB HILL. THEY'RE IN-DEMAND PLACES. HAVING A 330 FOOT RADIUS IN THE WHOLE CITY IS NOT FAIR TO PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME AND ENJOY OUR CITY IN THE PLACES WHERE WE GENERALLY HAVE ENJOYMENT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. >> JIM FOLLOWED BY RODNEY. >> I'M NOT JIM BUT I'M TERRY. HONORABLE COUNCILORS, I'M HERE AS A HOMEOWNER TO SHOW SUPPORT FOR THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT BUT NOT THE ADDITIONAL AMENDMENT. I HAVE PROVIDED COUNCILOR JONES WITH PETITION OF 42 SIGNATURES SUPPORTING THESE AMENDMENTS. WE WERE TOLD THE CITY HAD RECEIVED MORE COMMENTS FROM SHORT-TERM OWNERS THAN HOMEOWNERS. THE PETITION REFLECTS THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE FOR TWO TO FIVE HOMEOWNERS. OUR NEIGHBORS DON'T WANT ANOTHER SHORT-TERM RENTAL IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE FEEL HOMEOWNERS SHOULD CARRY MORE WEIGHT IN DECISIONS REGARDING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS IN BUSINESS OWNERS AS THIS IS OUR PLACE WHERE WE RESIDE. MANY HOMEOWNERS COULD NOT ANTICIPATE HAVING A SHORT-TERM RENTAL NEXT TO THEIR HOMES. THEY'RE STARTING TO LEARN HOW TO DEAL WITH THEM AS A NEIGHBOR. WHEN YOU BOUGHT A HOME YOU PROBABLY THOUGHT YOU'RE BUYING A REFUGE ARB A PLACE TO RELAX AND LIVE YOUR BEST LIFE. YOU BECAME PART OF A COMMUNITY AND EVERYONE ELLY TRIES TO REMAIN RESPECTFUL. HAVING THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD CAN RESULT IN A LIST OF MISERY. THE PROBLEM ISN'T THE GUEST OR -- THEY'RE NOT BOUND BY NORMAL RULES AS POLITE CO-EXISTENCE. IT'S ONE THING TO HAVE A ROWDY GROUP, BUT IT'S SOMETHING ELSE WHEN A CONSTANT STREAM OF STRANGERS IS RUINING YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY THINK OF IT AS A RESORT HOTEL AND TREAT IT LIKE THERE'S NO LIMITS OR RULES. AN EXAMPLE OUR SHORT-TERM RENTAL EXTEND MORE THAN 300 FEET UP OUR BLOCK. THIS WAS RECORDED INSIDE MY HOME. IT'S LOUD. IT EXCEEDED OVER 70 DECIBELS. IN OUR CASE OUR QUIET ENJOYMENT OF OUR HOME HAS BEEN LOST AND IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR FIVE MONTHS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> RODNEY FOLLOWED BY JAKE. >> GOOD EVENING, I'M HERE TODAY TO EMPLOYER YOU TO SUPPORT THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL ORDINANCE NOT THE FLOOR AMENDMENT. FROM REDUIVE AVAILABILITY OF LONG-TERM HOUSING AND ADVERSELY AFFECTING THE PEACE AND QUIET THE IMPACT OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS CAN BE NEGATIVE. AS REPORTED IN MULTIPLE MEDIA OUTLETS, THERE INCREASINGLY OWNED BY OUT OF STATE CORPORATIONS AND OWNERS OF MULTIPLE STR WHO OPERATE HOTELS IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. AS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY OWNERS LIVING CLOSE TO STR VIOLATION OF NOISE ORDNANCE, AND EVEN THREATS OF VIOLENCE ARE BUT A FEW OF THE IMPACTS OF THE PROPERTIES. PREVENTING OWNERS FROM EXPERIENCING THE QUIET ENJOYMENT OF THEIR HOME. AND IF STR RENTERS ARE NOT AVAILABLE OR SIMPLY UNRESPONSIVE, RESIDENTS IN THE AREA MAY HAVE NO RECOURSE OTHER THAN CONTACTING ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT. TO DEAL WITH NOISE ISSUES. INCREASING THE COST OF POLICING AND DECREASING AVAILABILITY OF OFFICERS TO DEAL WITH OTHER CRIMES. I'M ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THE IMPACT OF NEIGHBORING HOMEOWNERS FOR LONG-TERM RENTAL IS NOT JUST ECONOMIC DATA. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION. >> JAKE FOLLOWED BY TAD. >> HELLO, I'M THE OWNER OF FOUR SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN ALBUQUERQUE. I WANT TO SPEAK TO ASK YOU NOT TO VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT THIS EVENING. I'M JUST A NORMAL SMALL BUSINESS OWNER IN ALBUQUERQUE AND MY SHORT TERM RENTALS HOWIOSUPPORT MY FAMILY. I RETIRED IN 2018 AFTER 27 YEARS AS RETAIL MANAGER TO PERMY DREAMS OF OWNER MY OWN BUSINESS AND WATCHING IT FLOURISH. I STARTED WITH ONE SHORT-TERM RENTAL IN 2018 AND FLOW I OPERATE FOUR LICENSED AND PERMITTED VACATION RENTALS IN THE NORTHEAST HEIGHTS. I LOVE THE CHALLENGES I FACE DAILY AND MEETING IN PROVIDING GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE TO ALL MY GUESTS. I MOSTLY HOST TOURISTS, TRANSPLANT FAMILY MEMBERS COMING BACK TO VISIT. PEOPLE ESCAPING THE EXTREME HEAT AND COLD OF OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY AND NEEDING A SHORT-TERM PLACE TO STAY. MANY OF MY GUESTS RETURN SEVERAL TIMES A YEAR TO STAY WITH ME FOR WEEKS AT A TIME IN DIFFERENT HOUSES. MANY OF MY GUESTS TOLD ME THEY LIKE THE SAFETY AND SECURITY MY HOMES OFFER OVER A HOTEL. MANY TOLD ME IF IT WAS NOT FOR MY HOME THEY WOULD NOT VISIT ALBUQUERQUE. I BELIEVE THIS BILL WOULD LIMIT MY ABILITY TO EXPAND MY BUSINESS. IF I WANTED TO PURCHASE ANOTHER PROPERTY THERE'S ANOTHER PROPERTY THAT IS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO PURCHASE THAT PROPERTY. SOME OF THE PROPERTIES HAVE THREE OR FOUR UNITS. I SOMETIMES UTILIZE HALF THE CAMP MREGS AS SHORT-TERM AND THE OTHER HALF AS LONG-TERM. THIS WILL LIMIT MY ABILITY TO DO THAT. I ASK YOU NOT TO VOTE FOR THIS BILL. SHOR-TERM RENTAL IS GOOD FOR ALBUQUERQUE. THEY ACCOUNT FOR SMALL PERCENTAGE AVAILABLE FOR RENT IN THE CITY. MOST OWNERS ARE NORMAL MEN AND WOMEN TRYING TO SUPPORT OUR FAMILY AND PROVIDE MUCH-NEEDED SERVICE IN THE CITY. THANK YOU. >> TAD FOLLOWED BY GREG ON ZOOM. >> THANK YOU. I WAS THIRD BIGGEST NATION CONTRACTOR IN NEW MEXICO. IN 70s AND 80s. I WAS PROPERTY OWNER. [ INAUDIBLE ]. AND IN ONE OF THE LADY IN 80s AT THAT TIME. MAKING HER INCOME FROM THE RENT. RENTING ROOMS IN HER HOUSE WHERE SHE LIVES. BEDROOMS. AND ALSO SHE HAS THREE OTHER BEDROOMS. FROM GARAGE. ONE RENTAL AND SO ON. WE DON'T -- I NEVER HEARD OF SUCH THINGS. I WAS BUSINESS. . BIG BUSINESS MAN. AND NOW, ISN'T THAT -- TO DISCLOSE TO THE GOVERNMENT. PERSONAL INFORMATION WHO I AM. WHO IS RENTER. THAT IS VIOLATION. THAT IS VIOLATION IN THOSE COUNCIL. THAT'S TOO MUCH. YOU ARE MOVING UP. TRYING TO CONTROL PEOPLE'S LIVE. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> GREG FOLLOWED BY KAREN. >> GOOD EVENING, I'M A SHORT-TERM VACATION RENTAL OWNER HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE. I WANTED TO ADDRESS -- ON THE ORIGINAL BILL THAT IS IN EFFECT NOW, THAT THE COUNCIL PUT TOGETHER, THERE ARE LOT OF THINGS IN PLACE, THERE ARE BAD PLAYERS THAT ARE THROWING PARTIES AT THEIR AIR B&B. THEY CAN HAVE LICENSE REMOVE IF THERE'S THREE COMPLAINTS. I THINK THE MAJORITY DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THROWING PARTIES. AND WE HAVEN'T HAD THOSE ISSUES. WE RUN A REALLY GOOD SHORT-TERM RENTAL BUSINESS. WE DON'T LET THOSE TYPE OF PEOPLE RENT FROM US. I'VE ALSO IN THE PAST OWNED REGULAR RENTAL PROPERTIES. YOU GET A BAD TENANT IN A RENTAL PROPERTY IT CAN TAKE YEARS TO GET THEM OUT. THEY CAN -- BE THROWING PARTIES. I'VE HAD IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE SELLING DRUGS AND DOING CRIME THAT WERE RENTERS. AND WE ALL WANTED THEM GONE. IT TOOK YEARS TO GET THEM OUT OF THERE. IN FACT, WHAT WE DO, ME AND MY WIFE IS WE LIKE TO BUY PROPERTIES THAT NEED A LOT OF WORK, FIX THEM AND UP AND MAKE THEM LOOK BETTER. IT FEELS LIKE WITH THIS NEW BILL THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SUPPORT, I'M GLAD, FOR ORIGINAL BILL THAT WAS RECOMMENDED. IT SEEMS LIKE ONLY ONE THING. NOTHING REALLY EXISTS FROM THE ORIGINAL BILL. I ASK CITY COUNCIL TO KILL FROM THE ORIGINAL BILL. LET'S DO IT TONIGHT. IT'S PUT A LOT OF PROJECTS ON HOLD FOR LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO GOOD THINGS FOR THE CITY. WE HAVE TO STICK WITH THIS BILL -- >> KAREN FOLLOWED BY MARK. >> GOOD EVENING, PRESIDENT DAVIS, COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M HUSBAND AND I BOUGHT OUR HOME IN ALBUQUERQUE IN 2019 AND TO BE HONEST THE PRICE OF PROPERTY WAS ABOVE THE AMOUNT THAT WE COULD AFFORD. HOWEVER WE SAW THE POTENTIAL TO MAKE SOME MODIFICATION TO THE PROPERTY AND HAVE A SIDE BUSINESS AND CREATE A RENTAL INCOME STREAM AND BUILD SOME WEALTH. THERE IS ANOTHER SHORT-TERM RENTAL UNIT IN THE BLOCK. PER THE FLOOR SUBTHAT WOULD REQUIRE THE 330 FOOT SEPARATION I WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED IN AND WOULD NOT NEED TO COMPLY, HOWEVER I MADE A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN THE PROPERTY WITH THE EXPECTATION THAT I'M ABLE TO SELL THE PROPERTY TO THE NEXT OWNER AND THEY HAVE THE SAME RIGHT TO USE IT. IF I CAN'T DO THAT THE VALUE OF MY PROPERTY WOULD BE SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED. THEREFORE, I REQUEST THAT THE ORDINANCE INCLUDE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT ALLOWS A SUBSEQUENT OWNER THAT HAS BEEN GRANDFATHERED IN DUE TO NOMCOMPLIANCE THAT THE ORDINANCE ALSO ALLOW THAT SUBSEQUENT OWNER TO OBTAIN A PERMIT AND CONTINUE TO USE THE PROPERTY AS SHORT-TERM RENTAL UNIT. THANK YOU. >> MARK FOLLOWED BY ANTHONY. >> MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, I'M A PROPERTY MANAGER AND SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOST. I WANT TO COMMEND THE COUNCIL ON THE FORESIGHT IN CREATING THE SHORT-TERM TASK FORCE. THE 73 PAGE REPORT FROM THE TASK FORCE SUMMARIZED MANY OF THE ISSUES DISCUSSED TONIGHT AND BECAME THE BASIS FOR THE CURRENT ORDINANCE. ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS THAT A SHORT-TERM RINTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE BE ESTABLISHED. THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED BUT IT SHOULD. BECAUSE OF THIS HISTORY I SUBMIT THE IMPETUS FOR ANY CHANGES BE BETTER HOUSED IN AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE CREATED BY THE COUNSEL RATHER THAN EXECUTIVE BRANCH. MANY OWNERS HAVE HAD PROBLEMS REGISTERING AND RENEWING ON THE WEBSITE AND CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE BUSINESS LICENSING LINK. I'VE BEEN TRYING SINCE LAST YEAR TO RENEW MY BUSINESS LICENSE. I'M REQUESTED TO COME INTO THEIR OFFICE AND ATTEMPT TO FIX THE PROBLEM. THAT PROCESS NEEDS CLEAN UP. GENERALLY, SHORT-TERM RENTALS ARE BETTER MANAGED BECAUSE WE'RE IN AND OUT OF THEM MORE FREQUENTLY. SOME AFFIRMATIVE LANGUAGE SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THIS ACT LAUDING THE BENEFITS OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN TERMS OF JOBS, ECONOMIC BENEFITS. ON PAGE FOUR, LINE ONE, IT ALLOWS THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO INSPECT WITHOUT NOTICE. IF IT'S LAW ENFORCEMENT OR FIRE, BUT PLANNING? IN LIGHT OF THE NUMEROUS PROBLEMS REGISTERING AND RENEWING, ARE WE READY TO PENALIZE WITH NON-COMPLIANCE AND CHARGE $50 A DAY? THE MAYOR'S OFFICE HAS BEEN WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH. WE MADE PROGRESS. BUT THERE'S WORK TO DO. IN LIGHT OF THE ISSUES I SUGGEST AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE BE CREATED AND WE MOVE TO USING THAT VEHICLE. >> ANTHONY FOLLOWED BY TIM. ANTHONY, ARE YOU THERE? >> YES, CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> WE HEAR YOU. THANK YOU. >> OKAY. YES, I OWN FOUR SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN NOB HILL WHICH I PURCHASED FROM DIEGO WHO SPOKE A SHORT WHILE AGO. MY PLACE IS VERY QUIET AND CLEAN. I EVEN GO AND SWEEP THE NEIGHBORS AREA. IT'S JUST GOOD FOR EVERYBODY. I'VE ADDED SECURITY LIGHTS. AND JUST MAKE THE PLACE WAY BETTER. IT'S GOOD FOR ALBUQUERQUE IN MANY, MANY WAYS. BECAUSE WE HAVE REAL INTERACTION WITH THE GUESTS. WE TELL THEM OUR FAVORITE PLACES. WHERE TO GO, WHERE TO HIKE. BEST PLACES FOR ROAD TRIPS. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THAT FROM ANY HOTEL. ANY KIND OF REALLY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. IF YOU WANT THAT, YOU NEED TO TALK TO SOME LOCAL PEOPLE LIKE AIR B&B HOSTS. AND TO BE HONEST, THE PLATFORM IS SO SUCCESSFUL, IT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE IT. IT FEELS LIKE HOME. JUST SEEMS SO WRONG AND UNFAIR TO TAKE THAT AWAY ON SO MANY LEVELS. FOR ME PERSONALLY, I'M BARELY GETTING BY. I SAVED FOR YEARS AND YEARS TO COME UP WITH THIS DOWN PAYMENT. NOW, IF WE GO TO LONG-TERM RENTAL INSTEAD OF SHORT-TERM THERE'S NO BAY I'M GOING TO MAKE THAT MORTGAGE. THERE'S NO WAY. AND I WILL DEFAULT ON THE LOAN. I CARE DEEPLY ABOUT THIS AREA OF THE CITY AND THE STATE. AND I JUST HOME -- AND I ASK THAT YOU DON'T TAKE THAT FROM ME AND MY FAMILY AND FROM ANY OTHER HOSTS OR ANY PERSON GENERAL THAT'S IN THE SAME SITUATION. I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. >> MR. PRESIDENT, TIM IS NO LONGER IN ZOOM. THAT WOULD CONCLUDE COMMENT ON O-23-69. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE BACK ON THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE. LET'S GO TO QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILORS FIRST ON THE FLOOR SUB. OR COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FURTHER, YOU HAVE IT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I WANT TODAY CLARIFY. WE HEARD FOLKS COMMENT ON THE PERMITTING PROCESS. IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE BILL OR IN THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT'S IN PLACE RIGHT NOW FOR THE REGISTRATION PROCESS? >> THERE'S NOT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: INSPECTION. IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE ORIGINAL BILL OR THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE THAT CHANGES THE INSPECTION PROCESS? WHETHER THE CITY CAN GO INTO A UNIT ON DEMAND, ANYTHING ABOUT THAT THEY IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT IS IN PLACE? >> THERE'S NOT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE ORIGINAL BILL OR FLOOR SUBSTITUTE THAT CHANGES HOW THE CITY CAN ENFORCE THIS LANGUAGE. >> YES. COUNCIL PRESIDENT, AND COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, IN THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE, THERE IS -- REMOVES CRIMINAL PENALTIES THAT EXIST IN THE ORDINANCE TODAY. AND IT PROVIDES FOR AN ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING PROCESS FOR THE CIVIL PENALTIES. UNDER THE EXISTING ORDINANCE, THE GENERAL PENALTIES PROVISION WHICH IS A CRIMINAL PENALTY THAT IS UP TO 90 DAYS IN JAIL OR $500 FINE FOR EACH DAY OF THE VIOLATION. THE CURRENT ORDINANCE ALSO PROVIDES FOR CIVIL PENALTIES OF UP TO $500 PER DAY PER VIOLATION. IT REQUIRES THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY FILE SUIT IN THE CIVIL COURT. SO THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE REMOVES THE CRIMINAL PENALTIES COMPLETELY AND PROVIDES A HEARING PROCESS FOR THE CIVIL PENALTIES SO WE'RE NOT DOING PROPERTY OWNERS, WE'RE ISSUING FINES AND PROVIDING FOR AN APPEALS PROCESS. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: AND THAT CIVIL PROCESS, WHICH I WOULD IMAGINE MOST PEOPLE WOULD AGREE IS A MUCH PERT THING THAN HAVING THE CRIMINAL PROCESS, THAT IS THE SAME IN BOTH THE ORIGINAL BILL AND THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE? >> THE ORIGINAL BILL DID NOT INCLUDE THE ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING PROCESS. THERE HAD BEEN AN AMENDMENT PREPARE. AT THIS POINT, WE'RE WORKING WITH THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE THAT COUNCILOR BENTON AND YOU WISH TO MOVE. IT WAS INCORPORATED INTO THE FLOOR SUBSTITUTE. IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING PROCESS THAT THE CITY CLERK RECENTLY JUST PASSED IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS WITH AN ORDINANCE THAT STANDARDIZED ALL OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE HEARING PROCESSES AND PROPOSED PROCESSES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WE HEARD A LOT OF FOLKS SAYING WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE AWAY ANYONE'S RIGHT TO HAVE THEIR CURRENT SHORT-TERM RENTAL UNIT. I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR IN THE FLOOR SUB TONIGHT, IS THERE ANY LIMIT ON THE NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS AN INDIVIDUAL CAN OWN AND OPERATE? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, THERE IS NOT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: IS THERE ANY LIMIT ON THE NUMBER CITY-WIDE OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL UNITS THAT CAN BE OPERATED? >> THERE'S NOT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: IS THERE LEGACY LANGUAGE IN THE FLOOR SUBSUB THAT SAYS IF YOU HAVE SHORT-TERM UNITS NO MATTER HOW CLAES YOU'RE LEGACIED IN AND YOU GET TO MAINTAIN THAT? >> YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I AMMING WANTED TO . >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ HAS A QUESTION. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. THE QUESTION I HAVE IS THE THREE-STRIKES ARE ALREADY IN THE ORDINANCE? >> YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: BASED ON THAT, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE WE ENFORCED THAT AS A CITY? >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE DIRECTOR VARELA. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THE OTHER QUESTION IS HOW OFTEN ARE WE ENFORCING IT? IF WE'RE ENFORCING IT WE'RE DOING OUR JOB AND WEEDING OUT THE BAD ONES. >> COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, THE THREE STRIKES RULE STATES YOU NEED THREE VIOLATIONS WITHIN A 12-MONTH PERIOD. AT WHICH POINT YOUR PERMIT FOR STR CAN BE SUSPENDED FOR TWO YEARS. NOBODY COMMITTED THREE VIOLATIONS WITHIN 12 MONTHS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT. IT'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION SO MUCH AS MY COMMENTS WHICH WOULD APPLY TO BOTH BILLS. SO, FIRST WE HEAR ABOUT LICENSE VERSUS REGISTRATION. I KNOW IN PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEETING WE DISCUSS WE DON'T HAVE BUSINESS LICENSES AT THIS POINT. WE HAVE BUSINESS REGISTRATION WHICH IN MY OPINION ARE KIND OF MEH ON THE CATEGORY OF LEGITIMATE WITH ENFORCEMENT AND REGULATION. SO, TO MAKE PEOPLE GO ABOVE AND BEYOND IS A LITTLE EXTRA SOMETIMES. I LOOK FORWARD IT WHEN WE DO HAVE BUSINESS LICENSES. I THINK I WILL MOST DEFINITELY SUPPORT THAT. AS FAR AS PROPERTY OWNERS, AND STAND BY WHAT I SAID, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY. WORK HARD, BUY IT, TREAT IT WELL. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S HOUSES THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC. I GET THAT. GOING BACK TO WHAT WE TALKED IN THE PAST, I'M NOT OKAY WITH PENALIZING THE MAJORITY OF GOOD, DECENT PROPERTY OWNERS AT THE EXPENSE OF A COUPLE OF PROBLEM PROPERTIES. I AM SORRY TO HEAR THERE'S PROBLEM PROPERTIES OUT THERE. AS WITH RENT CONTROL, ANY OTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR ALL OF THE OTHER HOT TOPIC ITEMS, IT'S NOT FAIR TO PENALIZE THE MAJORITY OF THE GOOD PEOPLE WORKING AND FOLLOWING ALL THE RULES AND HAVE GOOD PROPERTIES TO SHOW FOR IT FOR THE FEW BAD APPLES. AND THE THOUGHT OF GOING AFTER PEOPLE THAT CREATING THE INFRACTIONS WHICH LEADS ME TO ENFORCEMENT. IF WE'RE STRUGGLING TO ENFORCE ANY LAW IN ALBUQUERQUE. I'M NOT PICKING ON JUST PLANNING. I'M PICKING ON EVERYTHING IN ALBUQUERQUE, WE'RE STRUGGLING. WE'VE HEARD THAT MULTIPLE TIMES TONIGHT. I THINK THAT'S A BIG DEAL. WHY TINE MAKE MORE LEGISLATION AND LAWS WHEN WE CAN'T ENFORCE WHAT WE DO HAVE? AND AS FAR AS THROUGHOUT SOMETHING OF THE STATISTICS WE HAVE A CERTAIN PERSON, I DON'T KNOW WHO SAID IT, SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROPERTIES OR RENTAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT REGISTERED. WE DON'T KNOW WHO IS DOING IT OR NOT. WE CAN'T ENFORCE THAT. WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD TO PENALIZE THOSE WHO HAVE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. AND WE ALSO HEARD COUNCILOR BENTON SAID THERE'S A GREAT PROLIFERATION OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN A NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT CAN BE A REALLY BAD THING. I WOULD ARGUE THAT A GREAT PROLIFRISION OF ANYTHING IS A BAD THING. INCLUDING VIOLENCE, DRUG USE, THEFT, PROPERTY CRIME. WE CAN GO ON AND ON. A GREAT PROLIFERATION OF ANYTHING IS BAD RIGHT NOW. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD PENALIZE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO WORK HARD, CREATE A LIVING. THEY'RE HELPING THE ECONOMY, AND HELPING EMPLOY OTHERS. LIST CAN GO ON AND ON IN A POSITIVE WAY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANKS. COUNCILOR LEWIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MR. PRESIDENT, JUST A FEW COMMENTS. I THINK IT'S DIFFICULT TO CREATE A BILL THAT PUTS LIMITS AND PENALTIES ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND THEN TRY TO MAKE THE CASE THAT IT'S NOT LIMITING AND IT'S NOT PENALTIES. I HAVE CHALLENGES WITH THAT. AND THEN IN THE WHOLE CASE OVER SHORM-TERM RENTAL VERSUS LONG-TERM, WHICH ONE IS MORE DETRIMENTAL TO THE QUALITY OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. I WOULD JUST MAKE THE CASE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT SEEMS THIS IS BASED ON OTHERWISE WE REGULATE OR PENALTY LONG-TERM RENTALS, I THINK THE CASE CAN BE MADE FOR THAT LONG-TERM RENTALS CAN BE MORE DETRIMENTAL TO A NEIGHBORHOOD. TO THE THE QUALITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE ABILITY OF THE LANDLORD TO BE ABLE TO REMOVE A BAD TENANT OR EVEN JUST THE VALUE AND QUALITY OF SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND HOW THEY'RE KEPT UP. AND INCENTIVIZE TO KEEP IT UP MORE. AND THE OTHER ARGUMENT OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND. MY UNDERSTANDING THE DATA SHOWS THERE'S MORE SUPPLY AND DEMAND. IN THAT CASE, THESE THINGS WILL TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES. AND IN THAT REGARD, THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND IS WHAT COULD PRODUCE MORE AVAILABLE HOUSING THAT MIGHT COME ON THE MARKET. I DON'T BELIEVE LIMITING OR PENALIZING SHORT-TERM RENTALS IS PROVEN THAT MORE HOUSING WOULD BE AVAILABLE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILORS. OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR GROUT AND WE'LL GO BACK TO THE SPONSORS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I HAVE ONE QUESTION. BACK IN 2018, A SHORT-TERM RENTAL TASK FORCE WAS CREATED. ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT WAS TO CREATE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. WAS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE EVER FORMED? >> MR. PRESIDENT, WE HAVE MS. MORRIS ON ZOOM. SHE MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. >>COUN. DAVIS: MS. MORRIS, ARE YOU WITH US? I THINK YOU'RE MUTED. WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. MAYBE WE'LL PUT THAT QUESTION BACK IN THE BAG. TRY IT NOW. PERHAPS MS. DOLLEN KNOWS? WE'RE GOING TO PUT YOU ON PAUSE AND LET YOU WORK THAT OUT AND SEE IF SHE HAS THE ANSWER. MS. DOLLEN. GO AHEAD. >> IN FREQUENT COMMUNICATION ABOUT THIS AS WELL. SHE HAS CONVEYED TO ME AND I DID CONFIRM WITHIN THE REPORT THE ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION WAS NOT TO FORM AN ADVISORY BOARD IT WAS TO ADD SOMEBODY A POSITION FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL REPRESENTATIVE ON THE LODGER'S TAX ADVISORY BOARD. AND THE ORDINANCE THAT COUNCIL PASSED IN 2020 DID DO THAT. AND THAT POSITION HAS BEEN FILLED. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: WELL, I AM READING ON PAGE TEN AT THE 73 PAGE DOCUMENT, THE TASK FORCE PREPARED. AND IT SAYS, UNDER NUMBER THREE. 2.4-3. STR ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO BE ESTABLISHED AND SHOULD CONVENE ONLY WHEN NECESSARY TO REVIEW AND CHANGE REG LAYINGS. AGAIN, HAS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE BEEN FORMED? >> AGAIN, MY UNDERSTANDING, COUNCILOR, I APOLOGIZE IF I -- I KNOW THAT I HAVEN'T MISQUOTED MS. MORRIS. BUT SHE CAN GIVE YOU MORE DETAILS. SHE STAFFED THAT COMMITTEE. BUT IT'S SAID TO ME THAT THE ULTIMATE RECOMMENDATION BE THERE'S SOMEBODY ON THE LODGERS TAX ADVISORY BOARD AND COUNCIL HAS NOT PASSED ANYTHING TO CREATE AN ADVISORY BOARD TO MEET AS NEEDED. >>COUN. GROUT: NUMBER FOUR. RESOLUTION THAT ESTABLISHED THE LODGERS TAX ADVISORY BOARD TO BE AMENDED TO ADD AN STR REPRESENTATIVE. YOU WILL CONFIRM THAT. I HAVE MET THAT PERSON ON THE VISIT ALBUQUERQUE BOARD. SHE'S A LOVELY LADY. ANYWAY, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO GO THROUGH THESE CHANGES AND HAVE -- WE HAVE COMMITTEES FOR OTHER THINGS. I'M NOT SURE WHY WE DON'T HAVE ONE FOR THIS AS WELL. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS, COUNCILOR GROUT, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD OPPOSE IF COUNCIL CREATED SUCH AN ADVISORY BOARD. THAT WOULD BE DONE THROUGH AN ORDINANCE THAT COUNCIL PASSES. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. JUST ANOTHER COMMENT. WE HEARD FROM MR. VIDALE AND I DID RESEARCH IN REFERENCE TO THE SAME THING HE'S TALKING ABOUT. REVENUES PERLISTING FOR THE SAN FRANCISCO COMPANY DROPPED BY NEARLY 52%. THIS IS COMPARING ALL THE ROOMS AND COMPARING AIR B&B FROM LISTING MAY 2022 AND MAY 2023. IT'S SHOWING THAT THERE IS DOWNTURN IN AIR B&B OR SHORT-TERM RENTALS RIGHT NOW IN PHOENIX IT'S 47.2. AUSTIN IS 46.1. NASHVILLE, DENVER AND OTHER METROPOLITAN CITIES THAT PEOPLE LOVE TO GO TO. WE'RE SEEING THIS TREND CHANGE ANYWAY. WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO SEE MORE HOUSES ON THE MARKET THAT WERE AIR B&B AND SEE INDIVIDUALS TRYING TO FIND A DIFFERENT WAY TO DO THIS. I HONESTLY THINK THIS WHOLE THING IS CORRECTING ITSELF. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING. I THINK THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE STRUGGLING RIGHT NOW. AND THEY'RE GOING TO EVENTUALLY HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT TIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE. WITHOUT HURTING THAT, I THINK WE PROBABLY LET IF ADJUST ITSELF. ANOTHER THING THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME WAS THE FACT THAT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE AIR B&B VERSUS THE ACTUAL LONG-TERM RENTALS, I'VE BEEN A LONG-TERM RENTAL PERSON. I'VE HAD NUMEROUS PROBLEMS ALMOST WITH EVERY SINGLE TENANT THAT I'VE HAD. SOME TENANT ARE VERY DIFFICULT TO GET OUT. THEIR ISSUES ARE CONSTANT. DEALING WITH NEIGHBORS AND THEIR ISSUES DON'T AWAY FOR MONTHS UNTIL YOU CAN FINALLY BUILD A CASE AGAINST THEM TO GET THEM OUT. SHORT-TERM ARE IN AND OUT. YOU MIGHT HAVE A BAD APPLE ONE DAY BUT THERE'S SOMETHING IN PLACE TO DEAL WITH THAT. THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANYBODY THAT THEIR LICENSE HAS BEEN REVOKED FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. LESS THAN 1% OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN ALBUQUERQUE. I VISITED AND STAYED IN THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. I HAVE TO SAY THAT I BEST MOST PEOPLE IN HERE HAVE DONE IT BECAUSE IT'S SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY DOES. TO TRY IT. AND EVERY SINGLE TIME I STAYED IN A SHORT-TERM RENTAL I'VE HAD NOTHING BUT RESPECT FOR THAT PROPERTY. AND THEY HAD NOTHING BUT RESPECT FOR THE PERSON THAT RENTS IT. I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY ISSUES. I'VE BEEN SO COMFORTABLE IN THESE PLACES. AND I HAVE BEEN SO COMFORTABLE THAT IT HASN'T BEEN AN ISSUE OF STRIPPING THE BEDS AND HELPING THEM OUT. I WOULD HAVE VERY POSITIVE IMPACT WITH SHORT-TERM RENTAL. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: WE'RE BACK TO THE SPONSORS ON THE FLOOR SUB. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MR. PRESIDENT, I WANT TO GIVE A FEW THOUGHTS BEFORE COUNCILOR BENTON CLOSES. I PERSONALLY NOT AGAINST SHORT-TERM RENTAL. I LOOK FORWARD TO DOING SO. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR A BALANCE. WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY AS A CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE TO PRODUCE MORE HOUSING UNITS AND AT THE SAME TIME I DON'T WANT TO SEE A DEGROGATION OF THE NUMBER OF UNITS AVAILABLE. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BACK OUT SOMEBODY THAT IS OFFERING A SHORT-TERM. WE'RE SAYING IN THE FUTURE WE LIKE TO SAFEGUARD SOME OF THE HOUSING STOCK SO WE MAINTAIN WHAT WE HAVE WHILE WE SPEND MONEY AND TIME TO CREATE MORE HOUSING. I THINK WE HEARD ABOUT A THOUPD TIMES WE'RE IN A HOUSING CRISIS. SO, I PERSONALLY PREFER THE ORIGINAL BILL. WE DID HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY A LOT. WE HEARD FROM THE INDUSTRY A LOT. THOSE LIMITS PER PERSON, THOSE LIMITS CITY-WIDE WERE A PROBLEM. I ALSO HEARD FROM MY NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS AND PEOPLE IN MY COMMUNITY AND MY BLOCK THAT THEY WERE VERY CONCERNED IF UP CHECKED WE LOSE TOO MANY HOUSES ON EACH BLOCK TO SHORT-TERM RENTALS. DOES THAT MEAN THEY'RE GOING TO BE A PROBLEM? MAYBE NOT. BUT WHAT IT DOES MEAN IS I'M NO LONGER GOING TO KNOW ALL 18 PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON MY BLOCK WHICH I DO RIGHT NOW. IT MEANS THAT THE CHARACTER OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD CHANGE. IF THOSE SHORT-TERM RENTALS COME IN. IT ALSO MEANS THAT IF THERE ARE, SAY, SIX OR SEVEN SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN MY BLOCK, AT SOME POINT THOSE ARE GOING TO BE EMPTY WAY MORE THAN THE REST OF US AND EMPTY BUILDINGS DO ATTRACT CRIME AND THERE ARE STUDIES THAT SHOW THAT. THOSE ARE THE CONCERNS I'M HEARING FROM MY NEIGHBORHOODS. MY RESIDENTS IN DISTRICT SEVEN. I THINK THE FLOOR SUB IS A NICE COMBINATION. WE'RESYING WE HEAR YOU. WE DON'T WANT THE LIMITS. BUT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO MAIN TEAR THE CHARACTER AND SAFETY OF THE INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOODS. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THIS FLOOR SUB DOES. IT'S IMPORTANT WE ACT NOW BEFORE WE LOSE MORE OF THE HOUSING STOCK. YOU GO TO SOME COMMUNITIES AND I HAVE A FRIEND THAT LIVES IN A CITY THAT'S NOT HERE AND ON HER BLOCK SHE HAS 20 HOUSES AND TIP OF THEM ARE SHORT-TERM RENTALS. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT MOST PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE TELLING ME THEY WANT TO SEE. REALLY, I THINK THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS PROPOSAL WE'RE PUTTING FORWARD TODAY IS REALLY JUST A COMPROMISE BETWEEN WHAT WE ORIGINALLY WANTED AND I THINK SOME PEOPLE STILL WANT. AND WHAT WE COULD CONSCIOUSLY DO, GIVEN ALL THE FEED BACK WE'VE DONE OVER THE LAST MANY MONTHS OF HEARING INDUSTRY AND PEOPLE THAT ARE OPERATING THE UNITS NOW. I FEEL LIKE IT'S A COMPROMISE I CAN LIVE WITH THAT MAINTAINS THE INTEGRITY OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS, KEEPS US FROM LOSING MORE HOUSING STOCK. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR BENTON TO CLOSE. >>COUN. BENTON: YEAH, I THINK COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN'S SERIES OF QUESTIONS OF WHAT THIS DOES NOT DO RESPONDED TO A LOT OF WHAT PEOPLE WERE IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT COMPLAINING TO US ABOUT. THERE'S LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE BOOKS. AND REQUIRED. AGAIN, WE JUST WANT TO RESET AND WE DID LISTEN TO A LOT OF THE CONCERNS. WE'RE NOT LIMITING THE NUMBER THAT ANY INDIVIDUAL OR LLC CAN HAVE. THOSE HAVE BEEN TAKEN OUT OF FLOOR SUB. I THINK IT'S A BETTER STARTING POINT TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION. THIS IS FLOOR SUB ONLY. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT THAT WE DEBATE THE FLOOR SUBAND NOT THE ORIGINAL BILL. AND I LIKE THE ASPECTS OF THE ORIGINAL BILL BUT WE RECOGNIZE WHERE WE STAND. AND WE WANT TO GET THE SUPPORT OF THE COUNCIL TO DO SOMETHING TO MOVE THE -- CORRECT THE PROBLEMS IN THE ORIGINAL BILL. URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT FAILS ON A 3-6. WE ARE BACK ON THE ORIGINAL BILL. SPONSORS, IS THERE A PREFERENCE? LET ME SAY THIS, COUNCILOR BASSAN, YOU HAVE AN HELP THAT WORKS BOTH WAYS. DO YOU WANT TO MOVE IT NOW? >>COUN. BASSAN: I'D LIKE TO WAIT. >>COUN. DAVIS: BACK TO THE SPONSORS TO MOVE FORWARD. >>COUN. BENTON: LET'S SEE. YEAH THE AMENDMENT THAT WE PREPARED WAS FOR THE FLOOR SUB. I THINK WE OUGHT TO GO TO A VOTE. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL RIGHT. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN TO CLOSE ON THE -- ANY OTHER DEBATE? >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I'LL DEFER TO COUNCILOR BENTON TO CLOSE. I WILL SAY THAT I WILL BE ASKING FOR SOME ENFORCEMENT ON THE EXISTING BILL OR ON THE EXISTING ORDINANCE AND THOSE CRIMINAL PENALTIES ARE STILL IN THERE. I WILL BE PUSHING FOR THAT. >>COUN. DAVIS: SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF O-69 RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. THE VOTE COUNT IS THE SAME. THAT BILL FAILS ON 3-6. THANK YOU, COUNCILORS FOR WORKING THROUGH THAT. WE'VE BUN ITEM B. COUNCILOR BENTON, YOU'RE BACK. C152. I THINK THIS IS BUS WRAPS. >>COUN. BENTON: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. IT'S DIRECTING THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT TO ESTABLISH A POLICY FOR REMOVING BUS WRAPS FROM BUSES AND DEVELOPING A PLAN TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE ADVERTISING SPACE INSIDE THE BUSES AT BUS STOPS AND AT OTHER LOCATIONS WHERE IT'S MOST APPROPRIATE. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. DAVIS: SECOND FROM COUNCILOR JONES. >>COUN. BENTON: WE HAVE AMENDMENTS. I'LL ASK MR. MENACUCCI TO SUMMARIZE WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS BILL. WITH THE DETAILS. I WILL SAY THAT I'VE HAD THIS ISSUE OUT THERE FOR SOMETIME NOW. I THINK MY PRIMARY DRIVER FOR ME ON THIS, NUMBER ONE PUBLIC SAFETY. I THINK A BUS WRAP MAKES IT HARD TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE THE BUS. ESPECIALLY IN DAYLIGHT. THAT IS A CONCERN. ALSO, AS A SUPPORTER OF PUBLIC TRANSIT, I THINK WE NEED AN IDENTIFIABLE SYSTEM. I DON'T THINK WE NEED A RANDOM ASSORTMENT OF ADVERTISING BILLBOARDS RIDING AROUND OUR CITY CONFUSING PEOPLE TO WHAT THEY ARE, PERHAPS. PEOPLE MIGHT THINK IT'S A PRIVATE VEHICLE OF SOME KIND. I BELIEVE EFFICIENT AND CLEAN BUS SYSTEMS ARE IDENTIFIABLE. THAT'S TO A RESIDENT WHO MAY NEVER USE THE BUS BEFORE, BUT ALSO FOR VISITORS. WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT WITH STR ABOUT TOURISM ANY. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, I AS A VISITOR, WOULD PREFER TO SEE A BUS THAT LOOKS LIKE THE OTHER BUSES I'VE SEEN. IT'S A BUS COMING. AND THAT'S PART OF A SYSTEM THAT'S WELL-ORGANIZED. THAT'S THE KEY DRIVERS TO THE BILL. AND WE CAN GET A BRIEFING ON THAT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BENTON, IF I CAN ASK A FAVOR. MR. HURTS HAS DONE THE HEAVY LIFTING. >> COUNCILOR BENTON, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, JUST TO GIVE A QUICK SYNOPSIS OF THE BILL. FIRST OF ALL IS POLICY FOR REMOVING BUS WRAP AND THE SECOND PART IS DIRECTING OR DEVELOPING A PLAN FOR DEVELOPING AN ALTERNATIVE OR ADEQUATE ADVERTISING SPACE IN SOME OF THE OTHER LOCATIONS WHERE WE HAVE ADVERTISING. INSIDE OF BUSES. AT BUS STOPS. THERE'S ALSO SOME NEW TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE ALSO AVAILABLE. SO, THIS IS A PART OF THE SECOND COMPONENT OF THE BILL. SO, GOING TO MORE. THE BILL OUTLINES THE ROLE THAT OUR ROLLING STOCK PLAYS IN PROVIDING THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS WITH AN ADEQUATE SPACE FOR PLACING ADVERTISEMENTS. IT ALSO OUTLINES SOME OF THE POTENTIAL LEGAL OPERATIONAL SAFETY AND AESTHETIC ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH ADVERTISING. LOOKING AT SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE ENACTED SIMILAR POLICIES, WE IDENTIFY ONE PARTICULAR POLICY IN MASSACHUSETTS WHICH PROHIBITS OWNERS AND OPERATORS FROM DISPLAYING BUS ADVERTISEMENTS ON THE PASSENGER SIDE OF A BUS. THE BILL ALSO OUTLINES SOME OF THE DIFFERENT COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH REMOVING WRAPS. WITH PRINTING INSTALLING, MAINTAIN, AND ALL OF THESE ARE OUTLINED IN THE BILL. AND IT ALSO IN OUR FISCAL IMPACT, WE HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE ADVERTISING. YOU'LL SEE WE RECEIVED SOME INFORMATION FROM THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT THAT OUTLINES HOW MUCH WE CURRENTLY ARE RECEIVING IN REVENUE AS WELL AS ANTICIPATION OF THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS. AND WE WANT TO NOTE THAT IN TERMS OF THE OVERALL REVENUE RECEIVED AND LOOK ATH THE OPERATING BUDGET, THIS IS ONLY OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS, THERE'S ONLY .004 PFT PROJECTED BUDGET COMING FROM REVENUE. WE WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT. IN REGARD TO THE -- I'M SORRY. ONE OF THE AMENDMENTS, THE FLOOR AMENDMENT THAT'S ALSO ON THE BILL, THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL WHEREAS CLAUSE THAT REALLY IS SPEAKING TO THE UNIFORMITY THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR WHEN IT COMES TO OUR ROLLING STOCK AND HOW THEY REPRESENT THE CITY AND THE SERVICE THEY PROVIDE THE CITY. THAT IS ALSO ON THE TABLE. I THINK THAT'S MOST OF THE BILL AND JUST TRY TO SUMMARIZE IT AS BEST AS I CAN. THERE'S SOME MORE FISCAL IMPACT IN THE WRITE UP IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT. AND, TOM, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I MISSED? >> THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BENTON, MEMBERS OFFENSE COUNCIL, I'LL FOLLOW UP TO SAY THAT THE ISSUE PARTICULARLY OF NOT HAVING WRAPS ON THE WINDOWS IS NOTHING NEW. IT'S BEEN -- WORKING WITH THE TRANSIT FOR ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO. THEY BROUGHT THAT TO OUR ATTENTION. IT DOES INCREASE SECURITY OF PEOPLE WITHIN AND ALL SORTS OF PEOPLE WISHING TO RIDE THE BUS. IT GIVES AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS OCCURRING WITH THE WINDOWS CLOSED YOU GET THE SENSE OF A BLACK BOX IN THERE. THAT IS NOTHING NEW. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE TRANSIT DEPARTMENT IS THERE IS MOVING AWAY FROM INREVENUE GENERATED BUS WRAPS AND MORE OF A PUBLIC SERVICE TYPE BUS WRAP. THAT'S REGARDING THE REVENUE GENERATION ASPECT. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. BEFORE WE GO FURTHER, I THINK WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER. >> YES, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: LET'S DO THAT ONE SPEAKER AND WE'LL GET BACK. COME ON UP. >> THANK YOU. WELL, I THINK THAT IS A RIGHT STEP. WE SHOULD NOW ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO HAVE A BEEN SECOND TO SANTA FE. MOST TOURISTS EVENT. WHAT DO YOU THINK HOW THEY FEEL THAT EVERY BUS IS ADVERTISING. WHERE DO WE LIVE. LOOK AT ALBUQUERQUE, AT THE HOMELESS PEOPLE IN THE BUS. THAT IS ALBUQUERQUE? LAWYERS ON THE BUSES. ADVERTISEMENTS? WHAT KIND? INJURY LAWYERS. BALANCE -- AMBULANCE CHASERS. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S HOW THEY MAKE LIVING. YES, ALBUQUERQUE IS VERY WELL-KNOWN AS TOURIST. BALLOON FIESTA. AND THE STATE FAIR. PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE STATE COMING HERE. AND IT'S A PROBLEM. LAWYERS ADVERTISING AND HOMELESS PEOPLE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK UP ON BEHALF OF THE LAWYERS THAT WANT TO ADVERTISE ON THE BUS? I APPRECIATE THAT YOU FOUND A BILL THAT HE FOUN US TO SUPPORT. >>COUN. BENTON: I APPRECIATE THAT. I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO OTHER COUNCILORS. I THINK TOM AND JEFF DID A GREAT JOB LOOKING AT THIS. ALSO, IT'S POINTED OUT IN THE STAFF WRITE UP THAT WE'RE MOVING AWAY FROM THE REVENUE SIDE. AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ON THIS OURSELVES AND I THINK THE MAYOR'S INTEREST INTERESTING IN BOOG THAT TAKING THE REVENUE OUT OF THE PICTURE ENTIRELY, MOSTLY. AND THEN WE STILL HAVE OPPORTUNITIES IN THE BUSES. THERE'S STILL OPPORTUNITIES AT THE BUS STOPS TO HAVE ADVERTISING. PEOPLE DO THAT ALL OVER THE WORLD. ON THE BUSES THEMSELVES, ON THE EXTERIOR, I THINK THERE'S COMPELLING REASONS TO MOVE AWAY FROM THAT. AND ADVERTISE OUR CITY EVENTS AND THING ON THE BUS AND OTHER WAYS WE CAN DO IT LIKE THAT AND HAVE IT MORE CLEAN EFFICIENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: COUNCILOR LEWIS WANT TO ASK A QUESTION AND WE'LL GET TO YOUR AMENDMENT AND THE ADMINISTRATION. >>COUN. LEWIS: I GUESS I WAS GOING TO ASK THE ADMINISTRATION YOUR TAKE ON THIS. ARE YOU GOOD WITH GIVING UP $1.2 MILLION IN ADVERTISING? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR DAVIS, I'LL HAVE DIRECTOR KEEN ER PROVIDE INPUT. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR LEWIS, YES, WE'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. I THINK AS WAS NOTED BY BOTH MR. HURTS AND WE'RE IN THE PROSOF MOVING AWAY FROM THE ADS. WE HAVE HAD LOT OF THE SAME FEELING AS COUNCILOR BENTON. ESPECIALLY ON THE WINDOW. IT'S THE ABILITY TO SEE IN AND OUT OF THEM. IT'S ALSO THE TINTING IN THEM. IT'S ALSO TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON AND HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ON THE BUS. THERE'S OTHER OPPORTUNITIES AS FAR AS THE ADVERTISING. WE TALK ABOUT THE SHELTER BUT THERE'S ALSO TECHNOLOGY. WE HAVE MONITORS UP AND DOWN THE CENTRAL CORRIDOR THAT HAVE THE ABILITY AND CUR -- DURING THE PROCESS OF INSTALLING ADVERTISE ING SPAZ ON THOSE AS WELL. I THINK THIS IS A MOVE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR US. AND REALLY SENDING A STRONG MESSAGE ABOUT TRANSIT WITHIN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND BEING ABLE TO PROMOTE OUR CITY. >>COUN. LEWIS: JUST A COMMENT. AGAIN, I'M FINE WITH THIS. IT'S FINE. I THINK THE CONSENSUS IS, AND THE ADMINISTRATION DEPARTMENT OF THIS -- WE HAVE PLENTY OF MONEY IN THE CITY. WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF MONEY COMING IN. A LOT OF REVENUE. LET'S PAY FOR THE BUSES WITH THIS. HONESTLY, NOT TO DISPARAGE THIS BILL, I'M FOR IT. I'LL VOTE FOR IT. THIS IS LIKE PRIORITY NUMBER 100. COMPARED TO THE PROBLEMS WITH OUR BUS SYSTEM. YOU KNOW LIKE TOP FIVE PROBLEMS, AND A MILE OF NOTHING, AND THIS IS AT THE BOTTOM. I LOVE FOR US TO DEAL WITH THE FACT WE HAVE REDUCED ROUTES, PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT THAT ARE DISAPPOINTED IN THE FACT THAT THE KIDS CAN'T RIDE THE SAME BUS BECAUSE THERE'S REDUCED ROUTES. I'D LOVE TO ADDRESS THE BUS DRIVER ISSUE. I'D LOVE TO ADDRESS THE SAFETY ISSUE. A NUMBER OF OTHER ISSUES OF MAKING THE BUS SYSTEM THE PRIDE OF THE CITY WHICH THIS IS FAR FROM IT. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. AGAIN, IT'S HONESTLY THE SAME CATEGORY AS THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL. I'M INTERESTED IN GETTING AFTER CRIMINALS IN THIS CITY THAT ARE ROBBING WAL-GREENS AND NOT MAKING CRIMINALS OUT OF BUSINESS PEOPLE RENTING AIR B&B. WE'RE GOING TO BE AGGRESSIVE ABOUT GOING AFTER THOSE GUYS, I JUST HOPE WE'RE TAKING CARE OF A THOUSAND OTHER THINGS THAT SHOULD BE A PRIORITY. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. THANK YOU, DIRECTOR. BACK TO THE SPONSOR. DO YOU WANT TO DO YOUR AMENDMENT? >>COUN. BENTON: FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. ADDING A WHEREAS THAT SAYS FOR TRANSIT TO SUCCEED, ABQ SUN VAN DISPLAY AN EXTERNAL APPEARANCE THAT IS IDENTIFIABLE AND CONSISTENT WITHIN OREGONINIZED PROFESSIONAL IMAGE CONSISTENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. ANY OPPOSED? 8-1. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ IN THE NEGATIVE. WE'VE HEARD FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >>COUN. BENTON: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. DAVIS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. 8-1. THE LAST ITEM WE HAVE THIS EVENING, COME ON MR. CAMPBLE. R-158. IT'S A QUASI-JUDICIAL MATTER. IT REQUIRES SPECIAL PROCEDURES TO ALLOW THE APPLICANTS TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. WE HAVE SPECIAL PROCEDURE FOR THIS. THE COUNCIL PLANNING STAFF HAS UP TO FIVE MINUTES TO PRESENT THE APPLICANT HAS UP TO TEN MINUTES TO PRESENT. IF WE HAVE PUBLIC SPEAKERS AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE DID. WE DON'T HAVE PUBLIC SPEAKERS. THE APPLICANT HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REBUT WHICH IS REBUTTING THEIR OWN COMMENT AT THIS POINT. AND WE HAVE A CROSS EXAMINATION. WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE IN PUBLIC COMMENT. COMMENTS FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ARE FIVE MINUTES AND PLANNING STAFF WILL HAVE THE LAST WORD. ALL OF THE STAFF MUST BE SWORN IN. MR. CAMPBELL, ARE YOU ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT? >> I AM. >>COUN. DAVIS: IF ALL OF YOU WILL PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. THERE WE GO. DO YOU AFFIRM UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY THAT YOUR TESTIMONY WILL BE TRUE? >> I DO. >>COUN. DAVIS: I GOT A YES FROM EVERYBODY. R-158 AMENDS THE FRAMEWORK PLAN FOR MESA DEL SOL TO CHANGE THE ALLOWABLE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT IN THE 92 ACRE URBAN CENTER. WITH HIGH BONUSES THAT WOULD NOT CHANGE IN THE 88 COMMUNITY CENTER OF 60 FEET SO ALLOWS 84 FEET WITH HEIGHT BONUS. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'VE GOT A BRIEF PRESENTATION TO RUN THROUGH. LET ME GET MY SCREEN SHARING ON ZOOM. MR. PRESIDENT, AS YOU MENTIONED THIS IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE LEVEL A FRAMEWORK PLAN FOR MESA DEL SOL. AS A REMINDER TO THE COUNCIL, MESA DEL SOL EXISTS IN THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF ALBUQUERQUE AND CONTAINS 13,000 ACRES OF MASTER PLAN OR FRAMEWORK PLANNED COMMUNITY. MEANING THE INTEGRATED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, THE TYPICAL ZONING DOCUMENT FOR THE AREA DOESN'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS APPLY. THIS AREA HAS A PLAN MORE SPECIFIC TO IT. THAT IS THE FRAMEWORK PLAN. THERE ARE THREE LEVELS TO IT. THERE'S A LEVEL A PLAN, LEVEL B PLAN, AND LEVEL C PLAN. BEFORE THE COUNCIL TONIGHT IS ONLY AN AMENDMENT TO THE LEVEL A PLAN. THAT'S THE HIGHEST MOST BROADEST CATEGORY OF FRAMEWORK PLAN FOR THIS AREA WHICH DOES COVER ALL 13,000 ACRES. THE AMENDMENTS ARE NARROWLY FOCUSED. THE AMENDMENTS TONIGHT INTERFACE WITH TWO PARTICULAR AREAS OF MESA DEL SOL. THE COMMUNITY CENTER AREA WHICH IS LOCATED IN THE EASTERN CENTRAL PART OF MESA DEL SOL. AND THE URBAN CENTER WHICH IS LOCATED ALONG THE WESTERN EDGE OF THE MASTER PLAN AREA. THE PROPOSAL IS TO AMEND THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND THE URBAN CENTER. I'LL RUN THROUGH THOSE QUICKLY. THE URBAN CENTER THAT WESTERNMOST PORTION, THE CURRENT HEIGHT RESTRICTION IS 60 FEET. THE PROPOSAL IS TO RAISE THAT BASE HEIGHT RESTRICTION FROM 60 TO 80 FEET BUT ALSO ADD THE POTENTIAL FOR A COUPLE OF BUILDING HEIGHT BONUSES. THE INTEGRATED DEVELOPMENT ORDNANCE HAS THESE. THIS IS STEALING THOSE IDEAS AND ADOPTING THEM WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR DOCUMENT. THE FOUR BUILDING HEIGHT BONUSES THAT COULD BE ALLOWED, OR WOULD BE ALLOWED AND AVAILABLE IN THE URBAN CENTER IS A GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL BONUS. IF A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT IS DOING COMMERCIAL SERVICES ON THE FIRST FLOOR THEY GET AN EXTRA 12 FEET OF BUILDING HEIGHT. THERE'S A STRUCTURED PARKING BONUS, IF THEY DOPERCING UNDERNEATH BUILDING, THAT DEVELOPMENT COULD HAVE ANOTHER 12 FEET. THERE'S A WORKFORCE HOUSING BONUS THAT WOULD SAY IF A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF UNITS IN A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT MEET THE DEFINITION OF WORKFORCE, THEY WOULD GET ANOTHER 12 FEET. AND LASTLY A PRIVATELY OWNED PUBLIC SPACE OWN BONUS WHICH IF IT'S FOR PRIVATELY OWNED PUBLIC SPACE ANOTHER 12 FEET WOULD BE PERMITTED. THE PROPOSAL ON THE TABLE IS TO GO FROM 60 FEET FROM THE URBAN CENTER TO THE 80 FEET BUT UP TO 128 FEET IF ONE DEVELOPMENT WERE TO DO ALL FOUR BONUSES. THE CHANGES TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER ARE SIMILAR. THE BASE HEIGHT IS 60 FEET. THE PROPOSAL IS TO KEEP THE BASE HEIGHT AT 60 FEET BUT ALLOW DEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA TO UTILIZE TWO OF THE FOUR BUILDING HEIGHT BONUSES. THEY CAN'T UTILIZE ALL FOUR BUT THEY CAN USE TWO. WHICH MEANS IT COULD ME 60 TO 84 FEET. IN ADDITION, SPECIFIC TO THE COMMUNITY CENTER BUT NOT THE URBAN CENTER IS THE IDEA OF SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD EDGE IN THE DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE WHICH SAYS DEVELOPMENT WITHIN 30 FEET OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER NEEDS TO STAY AT THE 60 FEET HEIGHT MAXIMUM. EVEN IF YOUR DEVELOPMENT CAN UTILIZE THE BONUS, IF YOU'RE NEAR A RESIDENTIAL AREA YOU'RE GOING TO BE LIMITED. THE CONCEPT THE IDO ALSO HAS. THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE FINAL APPROVAL BODY IN THIS MATTER. THEY ADOPTED THE MASTER PLAN MANY YEARS AGO. ANY AMENDMENTS MUST COME BEFORE THE BODY SUCH AS THE ONE TONIGHT. IT IS SUBJECT TO THE REVIEW AND DECISION CRITERIA IN THE IDO UNDER SECTION 66I3. THERE'S SEVEN OR EIGHT REVIEW AND DECISION CRITERIA THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO ADEQUATELY JUSTIFY. THE ENVIRONMENTAL PLANNING COMMISSION TOOK THE FIRST STAB IN MAY. THE APPLICANTS JUSTIFIED THE REQUEST TO SAY HERE'S HOW WE MEET THE REVIEW AND DECISION CRITERIA. THERE'S PUBLIC COMMENT TAKEN AT THE HEARING IN WHICH TWO MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC SPOKE. ONE ON BAFF OF THE MESA DEL SOL WHO SPOKE IN SUPPORT OF THE REQUEST. AND A MEMBER OF THE PUEBLO OF ISLETA WHO ALSO CAME TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE REQUEST. THE EPC DID RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO THE BODY. HAD THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING HAD ONE MATTER, THERE WAS NO PUBLIC COMMENTERS AT THE HEARING. THAT BODY ALSO RECOMMENDED DO PASS TO THE FULL CITY COUNCIL. THAT TAKES UP MY FOOB FIVE MINUTES. WE HAVE MR. STROZIER AND MR. CAMPBLE. >> I'M GOING TO ASK MR. STROZIER TO SPEAK. >> YES. THANK YOU, ALL. MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I ALSO WANT TO THANK MS. SHULZ FOR HER PRESENTATION. I WANTED TO MAKE A COUPLE POINTS. WHEN WE STARTED LOOK ATH THIS ISSUE AND THE NEED FOR THIS AMENDMENT, WE WENT BACK TO THE VISION FOR THE MESA DEL SOL MASTER PLAN WHICH IS TO CREATE A WALKABLE, SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY. WHERE PEOPLE CAN LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY IN THE COMMUNITY. AND THE TWO MIXED USE CENTERS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE PLAN THAT BEING THE URBAN CENTER AND COMMUNITY CENTER, WE REALIZE THAT THEY REALLY NEEDED TO BE AMENDED IN ORDER TO HELP ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS. AND SO, NUMBER ONE, WE FELT ADDITIONAL HEIGHT WAS NEEDED. AND NUMBER TWO, TYING THAT ADDITIONAL HEIGHT TO THESE BONUS PROVISIONS AND THIS IS AN AREA THAT HAS EXISTED IN THE IDO AND IT'S WORKED REALLY WELL. AND SO WE BORROWED IT. A LITTLE BIT. AND BROUGHT THAT INTO THE MESA DEL SOL PLAN. AND TYING THAT ADDITIONAL HEIGHT TO THE BONUS PROVISIONS. WE DID MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE DID ACTUALLY MAKE CHANGES TO THE PROPOSAL BASED ON THE COMMENTS WE HEARD FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE MAIN THING WAS TO LIMIT THE USE OF THE BONUSES TO ONLY TWO BONUSES AND KEEP THAT BASE HEIGHT IN THE COMMUNITY CENTER. WHEREAS THE URBAN CENTER WHICH IS DOWN BY THE INTERSTATE, REALLY DOWN BELOW MOST OF THE MESA DEL SOLE COMMUNITY THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE FINE WITH THOSE HEIGHT AMENDMENTS. WE REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S INPUT. AND ASSISTANCE. INCLUDING THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, STAFF, EPC, AND THEN COUNCIL STAFF AND LAPPED USE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. CAMPBLE. THANK YOU, VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I'M AN ATTORNEY. HOWEVER I NEVER HAVE HAD ADVERTISED ON A BUS. NO BUS WRAP. >>COUN. DAVIS: THERE'S A SHORT TIME LEFT. >> MESA DEL SOL MASTER PLAN APPROVED BY THIS COUNCIL YEARS AGO. 18 YEARS AGO HAS BEEN REMARKABLY RESILIENT. WE HAVEN'T BEEN BACK FOR MANY CHANGES BECAUSE IT WAS DONE RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. IT IS A NEW URBAN DESIGN. AND WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO LIVE, WORK, PLAY CREATE, SHOP, ALL IN THE SAME AREA. IT HAS SEEN A GREAT DEAL OF SUCCESS. ONE OF THE MANY REQUIREMENTS THIS COUNCIL WAS DO THE JOBS FIRST AND THE HOUSES WILL COME. WE'RE SEEING THE WISDOM OF THAT IN THE $2 BILLION INVESTMENT AT NETFLIX AND JUST LAST WEEK THE $1 BILLION OF MAXION. THAT KIND OF SUCCESS BEGETS THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE. THAT IS TO KEEP THE DESIGN THAT WE WANT BUT WE'D LIKE TO GO HIGHER TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. WE NEED TO GET MORE HEIGHT SO WE CAN CREATE THE URBAN DENSITY THAT WILL HONOR THE PLAN AND KEEP OUR DEVELOPMENT SUSTAINABLE AND NOT SPRAWL. THIS IS A VERY LIMITED AMENDMENT. JUST TWO AREAS. THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND THE URBAN CENTER AS WAS SHOWN. AND WE THINK THAT IT IS WELL ADVISED AND IS IN KEEPING WITH NOT ONLY THIS COUNCIL'S ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN OF THE AREA BUT ALSO OUR NEW SUCCESS WE'VE HAD IN BEING ABLE TO BRING EMPLOYERS AND HOMEOWNERS TO THE MESA. I THINK THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY. I'M GLAD TO ANSWERGY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >>COUN. DAVIS: THANK YOU, SIR. PURSUANT TO THE RULES, DOES THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAVE ANY COMMENT THEY WANT? IF SO, I NEED TO SWEAR YOU IN. >> JUST SIMPLY TO STATE THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS IN FULL SUPPORT OF THIS. THE STAFF WRITE UPS DID LOOK AT THIS. IT'S FULL SUPPORT. WE'RE CERTAINLY IN FAVOR. >>COUN. DAVIS: PLANNING STAFF TO CLOSE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, NOTHING FURTHER. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE THEM. >>COUN. DAVIS: IF I MAY, I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION. CAN YOU REMIND ME HOW THESE HEIGHT LIMITS CORRESPOND TO THE REST OF THE IDO AND THE REST OF THE CITY. THESE TEAM TO BE -- THESE SEEM TO BE REAL CLOSE. >> YEAH, MR. PRESIDENT. GENERALLY WHEN WE'RE SPEAKING OF THE URBAN CENTER AREA AND THE URBAN CENTER DESIGNATED AREAS IN ALBUQUERQUE WHERE THE IDO WAS RULE, THE HEIGHTS ARE SIMILAR WITHIN A STORY OR TWO AT MOST. >>COUN. DAVIS: IT'S FAIR TO SAY WE'RE CATCHING MESA DEL SOL UP T THE AVAILABILITY OR THE BONUSES IN THE HEIGHT OPTIONS AVAILABLE IN THE REST OF THE CITY AND SIMILARLY SITUATED AREAS, IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? >> MR. PRESIDENT, WITH ONE OR TWO STORY, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENCE, YES. AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE FRAMEWORK PLAN IS HAVE SPECIAL RULES THAT APPLY TO IT. THAT'S WHAT SEEMS MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA. >>COUN. DAVIS: OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT. CAN YOU GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF A PRIVATELY OWNED PUBLIC SPACE? >> SURE. I CAN READ YOU THE TEXT FROM THE PLAN. THE PROPOSED BILLING HEIGHT CORRELATE WITH THE BONUSES IN THE IDO EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE. THIS FRAMEWORK PLAN CREATED THAT THE IDO WAS NOT CONTEMPLATE. IT SAYS THE FEATURE WOULD NEED TO BE A MINIMUM THOUSAND SQUARE FEET AND RESERVED FOR THE PUBLIC USE SUCH AS A PARK, PLAZA, OPEN SPACE, ET CETERA. THE PRIVATELY OWNED PUBLIC SPACE MUST FEATURE -- SEATING FOR PATRONS. THAT FROM THE PLAN ADDED. >>COUN. BASSAN: I'M GLAD THAT YOU STUMBLED ON THE PRIVATE-PUBLIC THING. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT. I JUST WANT TO SAY, MR. PRESIDENT, THAT I REALLY LIKE TO SEE THIS FRAMEWORK AND I LIKE TO SEE WE'RE USING THE HEIGHT BONUS AS AN INCENTIVE FOR ACHIEVING OUR CITY'S GOALS, RATHER THAN A PENALTY OR OSOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. I THINK IT'S REALLY EXCITING TO SEE WE'RE SAYING WE NEED MORE HOUSING AND WE NEED MORE PUBLIC SPACE AND IDENTITY AND MORE HAD -- HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET IT? WE'RE GOING TO INCENTIIZE PEOPLE WITH PARKING AND PARAMETERS. >>COUN. DAVIS: WELL SAID. OTHER QUESTIONS? THAT BEING SAID. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. JUST HAD A QUICK QUESTION. THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE RELEASED A LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT LAST WEEK THAT STATES THAT THEY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AND RECOGNIZE THAT THE NATIVE INDIGENOUS AMERICANS WERE HERE FIRST AND -- >>COUN. DAVIS: CAN I SAY IS THIS RELATE TODAY THIS PARTICULAR MATTER? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: WE'RE TALKING TO AN AREA REALLY CLOSE TO THE ISLETA PUEBLO. I WANTED TO GET CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THAT LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT MEANS AND IF THAT LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT MEANS THAT THIS PROPERTY CAN BE TAKEN AWAY LATER ON OR IS THAT THE PROCESS THAT'S GOING TO BE STARTED AT A LATER TIME AT LATER DATE? I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF SIGNIFICANCE OR IMPACT THE LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT HAS IN REFERENCE TO THE PROPERTY. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT WOULD HAVE ANY PARTICULAR IMPACT ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS THAT MESA DEL SOL HAS OR ANY OF THE OWNERS OF LAND. YOU MIGHT ASK THE ADMINISTRATION TO COMMENT ON THAT. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'M GOING TO ASK OUR CITY ATTORNEY. DO YOU SWEAR YOUR TESTIMONY WILL BE TRUTHFUL? >> YES. >>COUN. DAVIS: CAN YOU HELP US A LITTLE BIT. I'M TRYING TO KEEP THE ADMINISTRATION IN. >> I CAN. THE LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT IS AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT, IT DOESN'T HAVE LEGAL RAMIFICATION. IT DOESN'T HAVE PRIVATE IMPACT. MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT MESA DEL SOL IS IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE ISLETA PUEBLO. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THE LAND ACKNOWLEDGEMENT SAYS THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING. >> I HAVEN'T READ THE SPECIFIC ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. I ALSO DON'T UNDERSTAND THERE TO BE ANY CLAIM. FOR EXAMPLE THAT THE SANDIA PUEBLO HAS FOR THE SANDIAS. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THERE TO BE A CLAIM. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: OKAY. I THOUGHT I'D GET CLARIFICATION IN REFERENCE TO WHAT IT ALL MEANS. IT IS SOMETHING THAT POPPED UP, AND IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE SOMEBODY KNOWS THAT IT'S THERE. >>COUN. DAVIS: I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR A DO PASS FOR R-158. IS THERE A SECOND? MANY SECONDS. COUNCILOR JONES, I THINK I HEARD. SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND FOR THE CLERK. THAT MATTER SEEMS UNANIMOUS. 9-0. DID WE HIT EVERYTHING? WE'RE GOOD. THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS THIS CITY COUNCIL MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE.