council member thorson councilmember peterson councilmember wong here councilmember cole here mayor furlong here motion to adopt the agenda moved by councilmember peterson second second by councilmember thorson any discussion not all those in favor signify by saying aye aye opposed carries uh so we have two topics and i'll turn it over to city manager start thank you mayor furlong and council members the first topic tonight is the arts and culture commission's snowman sculpture initiative the commission's been discussing the possibility of creating a public sculpture program since last fall and you know i'm just going to let tom tell you about it tom sonic is a commissioner on the arts and culture commission and i think he's got a presentation for you thank you city manager welcome tom mr mayor members of the council thank you for having me um i'm not sure if you're familiar with any part of this project that we've been working on but if not i will give you a brief summary of what's been happening um the mayor actually had had some conversations last year with the company that makes these sculptures and they had done this is the same company that did the sculptures of the peanuts characters around saint paul and they've done countless other similar types sculpture sculptures and city projects relate similar to this all across country they happen to be based in the twin cities area and so the mayor had met with them and and talked about this and they happened to have a snowman mold already um so the idea was born we had i think had talked about this a long time ago as well about doing something like this in north st paul and now the reality of the situation uh is that we we've done some more digging we've done some more research and we understand what it would take to do something like this so i want to share a little bit about that with you um we would love to try and execute a project like this for the city of north st paul if you can see on your sheet there there are various benefits for doing something like this we think you know i think obviously the biggest thing is kind of this attention civic pride gathering uh uh people and and and buzz around north st paul it's a perfect timing too given the downtown revitalization everything that's happening with the city so there's so much good going on in north st paul right now this is just one of those things that'd be sort of a cherry on the top and i think a lot of the work of the arts commission is trying to achieve that so i just want to mention tom that this was brought up years ago in regards park and rec we talked about it oh okay i wasn't aware of that so it's kind of you know stirring but then when i saw that company and they actually do something like this because back in the day when we were looking at this we don't know where to look yeah who does this yeah so it was kind of interesting we did find out that it was from a company in minnesota right here in the two cities locally and uh yeah and they make it so go ahead so i think there would be a lot of great benefits to doing this some of these things are listed on the page that you have in front of you you might even consider some of your own now what we're thinking is something pretty modest in north st paul if we were to get 10 of these snow people done we're going we're calling them snowys they're projects snowy um i think it would be fantastic if there were ten and so what that means is that we have businesses who are willing to sponsor and pay for these things but in order to help entice the businesses along what we are hoping is that the city can put up some seed money to help get the things started even though there is an existing mold for the snowman figure it requires an 11 500 refurbishment to have that thing ready to go once it's ready to go we can order as many of these snow people that we want if it's one if it's three if it's ten whatever and we can keep adding as we go as needed but so when we were originally looking at this we had it broken down with the 11 000 broken out among 10 snow people and what the cost would be per business if they wanted to uh buy one of these things and then if it were say five if we only had five or something the price would just keep going higher for any business that wanted to sponsor and own one of these things so what we're hoping to do is get some city participation to help front the cost of the refurbishment and then potentially even the cost of one of the snowy sculptures itself so if we have if we front the cost for the refurbishment and one sculpture then that sculpture lives wherever the city wants it to so whether it's right here in the council chambers outside the front door in a park wherever we want to put it we can put it and that would just be ours to keep know so that the so the setup cost is eleven thousand five hundred dollars to add one statue to that would be sixteen three fifty so that would be the total upfront cost that would make it possible for any business that's interested in having one of these things to have the full cost to them so full sponsorship cost would be five thousand dollars so that's all any one of our local businesses or individuals for that matter if they wanted to have one of these things they pay five thousand dollars they get to choose the artist that includes the artist fee because there's a thousand dollar artist fee that's worked into that and so however the thing is painted and designed that they would be able to choose the artist and the design and keep the statue at their place of business or wherever they want that we have different sponsorship levels that we're looking at as well so say if somebody wanted to put in hundred 2500. then we could say great you can choose the artist and the art and this can live on your property for three months and then it goes into the general public if you wanna have a lower sponsorship fee say 500 or a thousand dollars same thing now it lives on your property for two weeks and then it goes into the general public so we would have to figure out from all those lower level sponsors how many additional snow people we could afford build those we would have them stay on the sponsor's property for whatever was pre-arranged and then after that they could be auctioned off any cost from the auction to snow people would come back to the city so that's a key element in this so whatever upfront cost that the city pays much of it could be recouped i can't make any promises on this and i won't but any any snow people that aren't paid for outright where there's full sponsorship by business that we can auction those off all that cost would come back to the city any other sponsor fees that we might collect or raffles if we were to do something like that so a sponsorship fee so if we wanted to say project snowy so all of these things are brought to you by anchor bank whatever if anker bank wanted to throw in a thousand bucks so that their name is on all of the advertisement all the branding for this whole thing that thousand bucks comes back to the city another idea we had is having raffle tickets for the entire uh population all the residents so say you want to put in five bucks 10 bucks whatever it is into a raffle uh to have one of these things sit on your property you could we could have public works hopefully deliver it to your driveway or your front yard for a week right yeah so now you're winning the chance to have one of these things on your property they're very instagramable very uh very fun for people to take pictures i can just imagine these things around the car shows around parade events things like that so any of that money though would come back to the city now the city can't hold raffles but nonprofit organizations can so there's potential that we could work with non a non-profit organization within the city whether that's history cruisers or the historical society or some other non-profit we could work with them to help sponsor the sale of the raffle tickets so that we could do something like that still more legwork to figure that whole thing out if we were going to do that but sponsorship is a little bit more straightforward and auctioning these uh snowys after they're made would be more straightforward so i'll pause there to see if there are any questions but happy to tell you anything that i know so far about these things we have had um hart johnson who is uh co-owner of the company that makes these has come attended a couple of our um arts and council commission meetings via phone and zoom so other cities have done this like roseville i've seen rose the giant rose and i've seen it around roseville mall and right so roseville is by probably one of the closest examples of another city that's done this and and they're very open and willing to work with us on our project as well any questions go ahead yeah i just wanted to say as the as the liaison i've had a really wonderful experience watching the commissioners really thoroughly think out this project from the financial standpoint from the standpoint that they are a new commission they want to make a really large statement with this commission and i think it's one of those things that our community needs as he said during the revitalization period i think that also to benefit the artists here i think that's just something we haven't had so it'll bring a lot of extra you know like you said instagramable i think it'll put us on the map just as we we have hoped to we've also got plenty of volunteers and folks to help out with some of these projects and the company has been extremely supportive in providing any assistance and any questions that they have they've been extremely supportive but i i'm in favor of you know really funding this project hopefully in full um i think you know what better way than the city to make that statement one other point that i wanted to make i thought this was interesting so hart johnson one of the co-owners of tivoli 2 that's the name of the company that makes these he says so if you're a business for example and you just want to get one of these statues they're about six foot tall and you want to have one of these things made whether it's a snowman or whatever it is it would cost you about fifteen thousand dollars just to have one and so what we're offering to all of the businesses in town is that they could get it done for five thousand dollars so it's a great thing it's something that they can have forever sitting outside they can have it branded according to their business whatever they want i'm sure you've seen these things around town with the peanuts characters where they have whether it's the minnesota wild or uh the banks or whatever they have their their own branding right on the character so not everyone's going to look like no yes no no so they can look any way you want them so it's a artist can what we what we would do is have a call for artists and artists would present ideas that they have design ideas and then those design ideas would be selected and they would be selected by the sponsors if you're a full sponsor or if not we were thinking that we would have shared commissions you know all different commissions being involved to vote on other designs for the remaining ones in the actual art part could be an event of itself it could yeah we had some discussion about possibly hosting this downtown somewhere during a car show where we could see artists at work working on the statues uh doing some of the painting right there there's also you've probably seen these around town where you've got a you know snoopy that's got a different hat on a baseball hat or something i know saints i think have some of these things those things can be done you can add uh i guess accessories to the characters the artists can do it themselves if they know what they're doing and tivoli too the company will work with them to do that to help execute it or if somebody just says to tivoli too we want you to do it we will pay extra for that you can do it that way as well so that's when you see the ones that look a little different really well i mean i think you can go around town and uh see any of these things that have been out there for a long time yeah i think they handle the weather really really well yeah you get cold i know joe's sporting goods that's another one where i saw they have a snoopy character out there but the the characters they're about six feet tall i think there's some kind of resin material but then the base uh is made of concrete and that adds a lot of weight so overall they weigh about 600 pounds so people can't walk off with them people can't tip them over right yep any other questions i would just add um at the next regular meeting on june 21st i believe if you recall finance director winik talked about and actually it's on the consent agenda tonight a new policy about kind of our cash on hand and anything that would exceed that would be available for some one-time purchases it's um i'm not remembering the exact figure it's somewhere in the in the neighborhood of i believe 340 thousand dollars for 2022 that would be available for one-time expenditures each department kind of put together kind of a wish list and i had added this to the wish list to be discussed at the city council meeting when this comes up in two weeks so that's when we would vote on funding funding part that's when you could sure yep let's remember um tom i love it i think it's i think it's great i'm i'm fully on board from a support standpoint question on timing i'm looking at the dates that are kind of here on the flyer that's tight um that was my only concern is that i know you hate to to look at postponing it till next till next spring but i didn't know if that had come up in any of your conversations that if i understand what bear snowy at car show means that means that would be snowy's unpainted that's right okay yeah so and then you know that's that's the end of august so from a traction standpoint we're really only getting about a month out of them from downtown visibility that was right that was my only my only thought but i'm fully supportive of the idea this year it's great yeah so the schedule is tight for this year it's doable though and uh hart johnson has said he's already given us the date that if you want these things august 26th here's one i need to know and he and again it could be we could start by having one two four whatever you know we don't have to have all of them right away if we wanted to kind of kick start and or just start uh building up the snowys on a slower pace and then next year maybe we have them all on parade or something and that was kind of where i was going is you kind of get it kicked off now but let it build into the following summer so that you know either more can participate or if those who choose to you know have the snowy for a period of time it can live in front of other yeah you know other locations you know it just gives it a longer period that was that was my only question sure yeah and it depends you know i mean september 16th we have it as being in the fall roundup parade but you know there are other things that happen after that it's another reason to bring people downtown after the car show wraps up in the in the end of the summer you know so maybe there are events where we have have these things on display or on parade at that time i know downtown st paul had when all the snoopies were out in the whole community they brought them all downtown and people would come down there on the weekends and yeah i mean they had a lot of people that just came down and watched and toured the yeah yeah so i think you know once we get going with i mean the ideas are endless as far as what you could do with sort of programming with them you know what i mean so but the main thing is to have some kind of seed money to get started so otherwise we were looking at talking about businesses it would be you know always going to be a much higher cost to each business to have it would limit the amount of businesses yeah it just seemed cost prohibitive then you're not going to have you know any smaller business i think this puts it more uh something that's doable for a independent small business to potentially make it happen i think it's great i think it's something that add a lot of art to the downtown yeah it would be a very visible thing and or parks or wherever they attract a lot of attention you have parks businesses you know and it's something i'm sure we'd get a lot of good press out of that type of thing as well so well you know how to find me if you have any questions happy to answer any questions about this anytime i really appreciate everybody considering this project so it looks like the 21st is when we would the 21st we might know something yup okay perfect good all right thanks everyone thank you thank you your son feels better okay city manager stark yep um thank you mr mayor the next topic is a you know i'd call it a continuing discussion on the community center i don't know that any one discussion is gonna resolve everything so i think in my opinion this should be kind of an ongoing thing until you have all the information you feel like you need to make a good decision i'm going to try to not do too much talking to give you all as much opportunity as you can my goal here has been to gather as much information as possible so you can make an informed decision some of the things that so on april 19th i've given you a memo talking about some costs and you know i just reiterate even the short-term costs to keep the facility up and running for 6-18 months would likely be a million dollars plus or minus and the just getting the rooftop parts and i uh i need to double check that figure with ron but the parts for the rooftop should have been already ordered because of supply chain issues so we're we're really pushing it as it is um kopro volleyball has a lease that expires on december 31st and their absence would make the building about 75 vacant some of the things i've looked at is other suburban community centers i'm not going to tell you that this is an all-inclusive list it's the best list i could make we reached i reached out to my peers to try to identify where other community centers existed if you look at the list you'd see that it's primarily bigger communities mounds view does have one and moundsview is a very similar size to north st paul moundsville though has 5.5 parks and recreation staff that are dedicated to just parks and recreation that is something that north st paul does not have so you know the conclusion i've kind of drawn is that the staffing would really need to be increased by probably four to five employees in order for the city to run a facility you know certainly ymca boys and girls club other entities can run a facility from and this is more anecdotal i don't have a lot of great evidence but it it seems to me that the ymcas of the world are actually scaling back their participation in municipal community centers rather than expanding i've heard about more closing in recent years than opening there were questions about the library elise i can tell you that these documents were hard to find they weren't really in the city files anywhere that i could find um you know that's in your regular meeting you're going to be talking about kind of transitions and turnover and those things it's really important to have good filing that's consistent from person to person and i don't know that that was the case ultimately i was able to get all the documents from um from our law firm and that's the source and i've attached all of those so there are seven documents attached that really relate to the lease um you know it really goes back to um i would say really uh document b 2004 when ramsey county approved a resolution for 750 000 in costs for the site construction um and then the there's a memo from the north saint paul city manager recommending approval of that lease and this this whole timeline is kind of full of starts and stops that i can't really explain um another six years goes by before the county signs a joint agreement for the lease that went unsigned by north st paul for another three years and in that the county paid for roughly 750 000 in construction costs and the county paid for 517 000 of leasehold improvements which included a lot of things including from what i can tell even books were included in that 517 000. um the city was going to lease that to the county annually for 20 years wishing up with an optional renewal for 20 more years the big question is when did that 20 years start and i don't i can't give you a great answer for that even after reviewing these documents in the event of the termination of the lease north st paul would have to repay the construction costs plus and i put this in quote all furnishings the equipment and the collection um i don't know exactly what that means it could be the 517 000 that i referenced in addition to the 750 000. um [Music] the in 2010 the document was recreated and ultimately was approved executed by north saint paul in 2013. finally in 2018 an amendment to the lease happened and it was this time it was signed by both parties at that time so that was a good document in that 2018 amendment it identified the original date of the lease agreement as 2010. i think that's important because this is the first document that everybody signed and it's the it's the well let me rephrase that it's the first document that everybody signed in a short time period and it's the last document that everybody signed and if that said the original it identified the original date of the lease agreement in 2010 to me that tells me that's probably when the 20 years started but that's my opinion i'm sure everybody's got a different opinion on this sorin doesn't really have a his his legal opinion is that it's it's so complicated that it ultimately would probably um one of two things would have to happen either the city of north saint paul and ramsey county would have to have like just an agreement that says well really this started in 2005 or the uh less favorable would be that it would have to be decided in court and that's nothing any of us want so that's what i can tell you about the lease we do have a meeting set up with the library yes to get an answer for that i don't know if that will if we'll get an answer for that or not at that meeting we do have a meeting with with them yep so the mayor and i did meet with the library uh director on may 13th he's new to the position um he did indicate his support of satellite library branches he thought that was a good thing he he felt like he had that support from the entire organization um i i've got a blank in here but um there are seven ramsey county satellite locations north saint paul's and one others are owned by somebody other than the county so it's a little bit of an exception the library director seemed interested in the prospect of expanding the county's use of the building to provide additional programming he felt like it was a well utilized branch and there if north st paul was open to an expansion he certainly would be again he couldn't speak on behalf of the county board or anybody else and then the mayor and i are going to be meeting next week with the library director and then the director of property management for ramsey county to hopefully get an answer for that um i can keep rolling or we can we can talk about each heading separately i'll just keep rolling for now um nobody asked me this this maybe was just my curiosity um i asked wold architects who really specializes in government and institutional buildings whether they thought the building could be kind of surgically demolished where we would keep portions we wanted get rid of portions that were seemingly less usable and they went out looked at the building looked at the blueprints and they felt like demolishing the community center but keeping the library intact was possible uh that would be a cost of 3.1 million in their estimation they thought demolishing the entire community center was probably a 1.3 million dollar project so obviously you're spending a lot of money on option a to to build kind of the walls and the infrastructure that the library would need to be a standalone facility and then option c was their estimate of demolishing the community center and then constructing a new uh library on the same site at 4.8 million and then finally rt luzak the owner and operator of kokoro asked to meet with me and he wanted me to convey his continued interest in either buying the building outright in which case he said he would retain the library as a tenant or continuing to lease the area he currently occupies as i said the lease currently ends in december he said extending that until april or may would be very helpful to him because his season doesn't end in december it ends in the spring and then he said he would also be open to the idea of leasing only the court area of the community center for a longer term to serve as a second location to the facility he is currently constructing elsewhere the the school district had indicated a willingness to participate but i was not able to get any update from them on their continued interest so really what i'm i i'm still a part of the equation they certainly could be so like i said i just wanted to keep providing you information and find out from you if that what other information you need so we can gather that and bring that to you so you can make a good decision i think one of the biggest decisions is that at least meeting with them next week and determining when that lease ends if i can i just want to pause and thank you i've been asking in my short tenure up here i've been asking for a detailed list and i i think we all recognize that bits and pieces existed so john i just want to thank you for for taking the time and putting it together we we're not to not to the goal line yet we haven't established the exact date but at least we've got of several documents that are in chronological order so i just i want to i want to thank you for that piece of it because i know that last time it was presented that was kind of my line in the sand before i was willing to move forward was a better understanding so thank you for addressing my concerns yeah of course councilmember wong any i'm not at this moment maybe come back to me uh so moving forward i we're trying to get as much information we we have here we don't know about the school district but they are could be a viable piece of this equation the library is showing that they they have strong interest and they would like to possibly expand we've got cocora volleyball who potentially would want to lease the just the court area you know allowing for all the other tends to be part of that you know we need to either have like a focus group or something where we get you know people you know maybe some residents together and and council members and and really come up with a plan once we get all that it once we get you know the information from the from the library board of what their intent on that lease is and also the school district you know because school districts potentially could take a lot of this and then i think we have another resident who's also inquired in regards to possibly uh mario inquired about uh also potentially programming something down there so i don't know what you think about some sort of uh focus group or is that what you call it a focus group or would it be a task force maybe task force or uh councilmember peterson yeah i think the big key is this is this county leasing thing you know getting that figured out and then you can probably proceed from there so i'm talking about the years left on the lease i was surprised that the school district was interested that was new to me it makes sense okay the way we're proceeding you know we need to get the repairs done yeah sooner than later okay so i guess the way that that i'm viewing this is i i look back at we determine the extent of the lease to fulfill the obligation to the county once that's defined and that fingers crossed that could be as soon as end of month um you know we have we have we we have a tenant and a tenant has a has a signed lease with a with an exit date or a renewal date um we have yet to open the open the facility up to notification to see if anybody else is interested we've had people approach us knowing that we were going through some conversation with the existing tenant that have expressed an interest in back filling we've yet to open open the space up to the public for rent so the piece that i look at is we determine the date and then we determine to go forward piece from a repair standpoint and i would i would go so far as to um recommend for consideration that the entire community center be turned over to the eda and let the eda manage it and it's no longer the responsibility of city council um the this the city hasn't been necessarily a phenomenal steward at keeping the building where it where it needed to be and i think if it turned it over to an eda who um you know can couldn't put a little bit more focus time and energy into that as well as take the time and energy just to search for suitable tenants et cetera it would then take some of the workload off of off of council as well as office city manager city manager do you know of other communities that i don't know of any that use the eda to run the facility i do know i shouldn't say i know i believe that some create like a non-profit entity that would run it or at least participate in running it so it's another option yeah i think where it gets gets fuzzy if it remains a community center then i think it falls on the responsibility of council but i don't think anybody is moving forward with the thought process of opening the community center back up it's a building the city owns and we would have tenants in the building and i don't and it would then not necessarily be up to the council to manage that tenants or building and so to me that's an extremely helpful statement um you know what i'd like to really well what the city should work on i think going forward with the five of you is almost like a venn diagram of where all of you sit on this uh that position that you know the city shouldn't probably be in the business of running a recreations we'll call it a recreation center um you know if that's something that all five of you share then get it off the table and start eliminating options uh and then once they're you've eliminated some uh the leftover options you can start to diagram that out and see where there is political um you know consensus of where you can go councilman thorson well it hasn't operated as a community center since 2012. we've had tenants in there since then and again the first tenant was the school district uh we have i have a copy of the lease you know we discussed it last time they were paying far less than what our current tenant is paying um you know and i think that's a huge part of this too i mean have we actually put up a for sale sign and and and publicly advertise hey it's for sale uh at one point we we engaged in a realtor and he was you know putting it out there um i'm all supportive of that if if there's other interested parties um because i feel the best option for us is to just sell it um you know it's an influx of cash for us it uh then the property goes on the tax rolls then we've got revenue coming in for utilities i mean it's it's just to me it's a no-brainer but to go back to the library portion first of all you know in your memo here you're stating that there's some discrepancy on the construction costs and the uh you know whatever they're calling the build out and books and stuff so it's seven hundred and where's that number the construction cost was 749.99 but then and an additional 500 and some thousand well if you look on these attachments here is that uh well it's loading i just had it up it specifically says in the last whereas this is in the agreement it's this is on uh page this is the amendment b here or the resolution or what it's the original resolution that was signed you know it's ramsey county commissioners dated 2004. the last whereas reads the estimated total project cost is 400 749 889 dollars consisting of 517 889 dollars in construction costs 200 000 of library collection and thirty two thousand for technology i mean to me that's crystal clear the total construction cost is four seven forty nine eight eighty nine in which which document was that the b you got it that marked as yeah okay and again and again we're going to meet with the board next week so we we have to figure that that number out so my point is that's not to me that's crystal clear i mean where's this additional 500 000 coming from okay it's coming from later documents that's the problem i think the later documents supersede right the previous ones and we haven't advertised uh going out to get tenants in the building either correct you know because we've had tenants well basically coker always been there since you know again when is that started that was two thousand is when they kind of officially took over or is it is it i mean even saying right now since we determined that we weren't going to sell it we haven't gone out to advertise that we're going to have tenants in the current tenant right we have so we have an ending date for the current tenant and also for the previous time we weren't really you know looking broadly for a new tenant it was do we sell it or do we continue this this on with this current tenant so that was kind of what we were deciding on previously there wasn't the larger note to the public so if i could i'm just gonna i still had more i mean if we have time i'd like to and i don't know why we would look for a new tenant when we already have a tenant i guess that's where i'm confused but um we have a tenant with an ending if i could just continue please i mean i have no one interrupted you and you're talking i know you probably don't want to hear what i have to say don't agree but i'm gonna i'm gonna continue here uh new information that was presented and i'm so filibuster 27 of the 35 minutes point of order here mr mayor uh go ahead everyone's had a chance to talk and i'd just like to finish my point here on some of these issues with the library but it's what you had i mean i'm not i'm going to let you continue all right one last question yep is there any dispute over when the library physically moved into this building and i'm looking that as 2000 may of 2005. does anyone disagree that that's the date they physically moved into this building you don't know okay good enough i'll i'll stop it no no no no that's fine i mean it's obvious you guys don't want to you know hear what i have to say so fine we'll just leave it at that okay so we have a list here of all the options and to move forward we need to either have uh i would believe a focus or a task force as forest or something yeah i think there's two things one is i think the task force would be talking about long-term uses um in the short term this six to 18 months i mean if just to keep the building going it needs a new roof and it needs a new hvac those were not in the 2022 budget and so that budget would have to be amended to to do these things as i said in the prior topic there's this 340 i don't remember the exact figure but in the neighborhood of 340 thousand dollars in one-time expenditures that's not enough to pay all these costs but that's could be a partial funding source and that would probably be included when you discuss this on june 21st i'll also ask finance director winnick to you know identify if if in the event that the city council said you know dan find us money to do these repairs where would that come from uh councilmember thurston if you could just explain that the 2005 the the date they moved in if you could do that okay i want to hear your i want to hear your point about about the movement i'm happy to discuss that here so the move indeed and the reason i bring this up is because i think it's extremely relevant and the fact that the lease originated on the date they moved in it didn't start in 2010. it started in 2005. there's a plaque down in the building that says they moved in so if it's originally a 20-year lease and they occu physically occupied the space in 2005 i mean i mean and the fact that we lost this contract or whatever and that's leaked the attorneys can discuss that the county can take the stance yes we're going to recognize it as 2010 but they moved in in 2005. i don't think there's any dispute over that i and that's my question i was posing to anyone are you saying that they did not move in in 2005 that they only moved in in 2010 so i would say that for your uh own personal point of view yes that's when it would start but our attorney has told us he's already told us that this is muddy that the actual date because another another lease was signed and that's why i'm asking these questions to try to get clarity because my hope is that we can at least get consensus on some basic simple facts of like this instance we've got these documents from all three and all four when they're getting ready to move in they're talking about the construction costs they're talking about their build out and and their technology and materials they took occupancy in 2005. and i think the relevance is going to be that meeting next week talking to the because they're going to have hopefully their documents that they have i i don't know that they're i don't know what they're prepared to talk about so i don't want to give the impression that we're going to figure this out next week i just don't know that right we don't know i mean that's certainly the the goal with the county is to get on the same page to get a consensus between the city and the county in regards to when the end date is for this lease get that agreement between the two cities or between the county and in the city get that verified and we can move on from there right and let's just let me just throw out a hypothetical if we were to meet with the county and they said well we've thought about it and we really like to you know increase the size of our footprint there by 50 percent and we're willing to invest some money we're willing to invest x amount of money if you guys are going to take care of the roof and take care of the building exterior and in that case we would sign a lease extension it's at that at least extension that we could that all this could become moot we could say you know the new lease is going to expire on 2032 or whatever date and then all of this um doesn't really matter anymore in that hypothetical right and hopefully we'll know that next week or at least start down that path let's talk about that all right any other discussion on the community center not uh motion to adjourn move by councilmember peterson second segment councilmember wong any discussion all those favorite signifiers saying aye aye opposed we are adjourned [Music] you