[0:08] Tom Fitz Henry: Good evening. We'll go ahead and start this uh meeting on November 20th for the ALAC meeting. Uh first what we'll do is we'll have uh introductions. I'll start on Steve's end if you'll go around and say your name because we have people online and who you represent. [0:27] Steve Getter: My name is Steve Getter. I uh own a hanger at Lakeville and use the airport. [0:27] Tom Fitz Henry: I'm Tom Fitz Henry. I'm a user on the co-chair. [0:27] Tina Goodro: Tina Goodro, City of Lakeville. [0:27] Pat Moyan: And I'm Pat Moyan. I'm a tenant at the airport and I own keep my aircraft there. [0:46] Jack: Jack Lakeville. [0:46] Krista Jack: Krista Jack, Lakeville Chamber of Commerce. [0:46] Tom Fitz Henry: Okay. And can we have who's online, please? [1:07] Jennifer Lewis: We have Kurt Chatfield um representing the Dakota County and Justin Vosen. Justin, could you unmute yourself and tell us who you're representing? Nope. Um, we have Michelle Ross. Michelle, do you want to introduce yourself? Michelle is the director of stakeholder engagement. Can the people online confirm um in the chat or unmute yourself and let me know if you can hear us? Okay. [2:02] Speaker 1 (Online): I can hear you. [2:02] Jennifer Lewis: Thank you. And that's all we have. [2:02] Tom Fitz Henry: Okay. Uh so we'll agenda discussion. Anybody want to make suggestions or changes to the agenda? Going once. Going twice. Gone. Okay. Then we have consent item for the minutes. We're going to have to table it because we do not have a quorum. Correct. Okay. So we'll table that till the next meeting. Then uh do we need action on the aircraft noise complaints or we just discuss that? [2:43] Jennifer Lewis: You don't need action. We can just discuss. [3:00] Tom Fitz Henry: Okay. So I'll turn it over to Jennifer then. [3:00] Jennifer Lewis: Okay. Thank you. Um the quarterly report for the third quarter 2025 is included in the meeting packet. And I will just point out that um we did have five complaints for Air Lake Airport in the third quarter and that is an increase. Um we had two complaints last year at the same time. I'm sorry, we had three complaints last year at the same time. Um so the five complaints that we have for the third quarter this year um all are aircraft that um have operated at the airport before. Um one of the aircraft operated during nighttime hours 11:28 p.m. Um and that was in a Cessna 172 we had uh in and that was July 1. And then in August, we had um a Meridian aircraft that looks like they did a goound at the airport and then landed there. Um we had a helicopter on August 31st. Um and that was uh around 8:30 p.m. That um complaint actually was submitted by someone um not close to Lakeville Airport. It was um in the um northern metro area. And then we on September 25th, we had um a super cruiser that operated um at 10:00 a.m. Um again, that wasn't at a the complaint wasn't generated anywhere near the airport. It was in uh near Minnotonka and that was, you know, 10 o'clock in the morning. And then the last complaint was on September 4th at around 9:40 a.m. and that was in an SR22. So um it's some I think one of these aircraft possibly two of them are aircraft that frequent perhaps are based at the airport but the others were not based aircraft at the at the airport. [5:11] Tom Fitz Henry: We I talked to you before just if you could clarify may not actually fly out of Lakeville airport. Maybe they just came in for a burger or whatever or their transit and they leave and cause a noise complaint. That's attributed to Lakeville. Correct. So, uh, we get some complaints that maybe are not justified for our area, but we still have to report them. [5:40] Jennifer Lewis: That's right. They get tagged to the airport based on uh where the aircraft either operated to or from. [5:51] Tom Fitz Henry: Okay. Are there any questions? Okay, we're hearing none. So, uh, public comment. Is there anybody online that needs to make a comment? We'll go there first. If you need to make a comment, we need to hear your name and what group you might be representing so that we have an idea where you're talking from. I'm seeing no one. Okay. How about in the audience? No. Okay. It's free. [laughter] Okay. So, we're done with public comments and then we'll go ahead to business items. I'll first turn it over uh to Tina Goodro and you may talk about the franchise fee. [6:47] Tina Goodro: Yeah, thank you. Um I don't have any new information. Um I checked in with Justin Miller, our city administrator. He had sent out an email to all of you on Tuesday, October 28th. He was able to get a list of all of the addresses for the hangers um that Excel Energy needed to review the request for consideration of the meter designations regarding franchise fee. They have that now. um he the Excel Energy folks admitted or you know accepted that and is um trying to determine if a rate classification change is warranted. So we have not heard I checked Justin hasn't gotten any further information back yet but as soon as we do that will be shared with the group. [7:41] Tom Fitz Henry: Dan, state your name and go ahead. [7:41] Dan Walbert: Uh, Dan Wbert, airport user. [7:41] Tom Fitz Henry: Go ahead, Dan. [7:41] Dan Walbert: Yeah. Can you hear me? [7:58] Tom Fitz Henry: Yes, we can. [7:58] Dan Walbert: Wbert, airport user. [7:58] Tom Fitz Henry: Yep. Go ahead. [7:58] Dan Walbert: Okay, Dan Walbert, airport user. [7:58] Tom Fitz Henry: Thanks, Dan. We have you. [7:58] Dan Walbert: Thank you. [8:15] Tom Fitz Henry: Oh, just checking in. Convenient time. Okay. Okay. And I uh I just want to state I really appreciate Lakeville get involved in this. It was kind of a item we weren't sure uh something that was assumed when we were now part of Lakeville that things were the same and we found out they weren't because of Lakeville taking over. We appreciate that, but I appreciate the city staff really jumping on this and try to get us a resolution. So, pass it on to Justin, please. Okay. Next is uh the roadway update and that's either Ryan or Sam, whoever wants to grab that. Ryan will take it. [8:55] Ryan Anderson: Thank you, chair. Uh good afternoon, commission members. Again, Ryan Anderson, manager of community relations for the MAC. Uh regarding the roadway, we've made um some great progress since we've last met. uh we most notably cleared a major hurdle with the FAA and we were able to uh decouple the road from any federal review requirement. So that frees us up to move forward um which we have and we've met with as recent of this week uh with city, township, and county staff to make sure our plans are aligned. uh and we're continuing the design and environmental review process uh for that. And our goal is still to pave the road um by next year um pending any you know changes uh that we'll bring to you immediately if if that timeline changes. But that that roadway again is um going to be fully funded by the MAC to be paved. Um and our hope is that we'll get that done next year. Are there any questions? [10:12] Tom Fitz Henry: You have any questions? Anybody online have questions? Is Adam online? Okay. I just saying he's probably the most concerned here. So, hey, I appreciate it. Thank you for doing that. [10:28] Ryan Anderson: Sounds good. So, yeah. And we'll have um hopefully more details on any timeline um at your March meeting next year. um once we get through the winter and we have our construction plans for the uh summer season in 2026. [10:43] Tom Fitz Henry: Thank you for your good work. Okay, next up, uh airport manager update and that's Sam. [10:55] Ryan Anderson: Oh, I did have um there was another item there. Um extension, excuse me. Yep. Thank you, chair. I I did I did want to um not so much as good news on that topic. Um, we are still in conversations with the FAA on the environmental review process for that runway extension. Um, because that process is taking so long with the FAA, uh, the MAC is uh, looking at interim um, things that we can do to the airfield um, to um, help with improvements and on the airfield. Um, a lot of that was kind of built into our runway extension plan that we didn't foresee taking this long and we acknowledge that there are airfield uh conditions that need attention and so we're looking at building that into our interim CIP process so that um we can get some things done and not wait for that uh runway extension environmental process. So, >> and we don't have any timelines on when that stuff will move forward yet. I don't as of today. So, um hopefully we'll have more details um at your March meeting. [12:10] Tom Fitz Henry: Okay. Any questions? Anybody online? Questions? [12:18] Dan Walbert: I I have one on the uh environmental review. Can you give any details in terms of why that's, uh, still held up? [12:40] Ryan Anderson: Uh, if this is regarding the environmental review for the runway extension, the delay is really, um, the FAA and the MAC coming to agreement on the terms of the uh, pipeline and incurrences. uh regarding the pipeline. Um the FA uh and the MAC are still trying to figure out how best to move forward given those conditions and the FA's requirements. Um and it's been a communication back and forth with the FA that has unfortunately taken a long time to get answers back from the FA. The government shutdown didn't help things. Um so that's why the MAC is looking to see what you know in the interim what can we do with the airfield uh improvements outside of that process. [13:31] Dan Walbert: Uh given the fact this this has been stalled for I don't know five or seven years would it be possible to get a mediator involved? I think part of the frustration on the field is um I don't know when this started. You know, someone from staff could uh give a date to that, but uh there's just no movement and it's a communications issue and I think at some point um somehow we just need to move the ball down the field. [14:10] Ryan Anderson: Yeah, we we understand the frustration. You know, the MAC is frustrated too. this is a project that we want to proceed with. Um, unfortunately, we have a regulator and they have their processes and we're beholden to them. Um, and you know, we're trying to work within those processes. It's just unfortunately not on I think the timeline us here locally would like. [14:35] Dan Walbert: Okay. Thank you. [14:35] Tom Fitz Henry: Yep. Okay. Are there any other questions before we move on? Thank you for your work. I know it's frustrating and we're frustrated and hopefully things will move on soon. Okay. Next item. Uh we'll go to now we will go to Sam on airport manager update. Sam. [14:55] Sam Seafelt: Hi everyone. Sam Seafelt, uh airport manager. Um just a couple updates about some things going on at the airport. Um, if you fly, you may have noticed potentially the past few years beacon problems. Uh, NOTMS involving the the rotating beacon at the airport. Uh, for for everyone's knowledge, the rotating beacon is what helps pilots identify the general vicinity of the airport and then they further identify uh based off runway lights and orientation and other other visual aids to help line themselves up with the runway at night. Our beacon, it's a civilian beacon, so it's uh green and white just rotating continuously during nighttime hours. Um it's been continuously inop, we we've probably put enough money in repairs to replace it already. So this last time that it went down about a month and a half ago, uh we just made the decision we're going to replace it now. uh just the beacon part with a a modern LED beacon instead of an older style that we had before. And uh we have a project in to replace the tower next year. It'll be a tip down tower. Um make it easier for future maintenance and repairs. Uh but this we just received it today. We ordered it about six weeks ago. Um received it today. It's going in next week before Thanksgiving. So, and uh just hoping all checks good for the Thanksgiving weekend. Um, additionally, uh just some winter weather items. We did receive a new plow truck that we uh put an order in about two years ago. Finally received it this fall. And uh it's a freight liner. It's got uh a plow in the front, side plow, belly blade, and sand spreading capabilities. So, uh, we replaced a 20-year-old truck and, uh, have a brand new truck for, uh, John and and company to, uh, clear snow during the winter. In addition, we have our part-time employee who started with us last week. Um, he's part-time, temporary um, with the MAC and the the Teamsters union. He can work 67 days uh, in a calendar year. So, we have uh a lot of time for him remaining because we had a light winter last year. We have if if we end up getting some winter weather here November, December, uh John won't have to be out there alone. He'll have some help. And then January 1st, his 67day time or clock starts over and uh and he'll work through about April 15. Um airfield condition reporting. Just wanted to use this forum to remind everybody that we do have employees at the airport uh 24/7 during winter weather. uh whether it's uh John and and Mike who's the the temporary uh 67day employee and uh if they're gone and we have continuing weather at the airport or um you know compact snow and ice and John's allowed to go home sometimes when there's things that he can't do uh then I'll be out there making sure notices to airmen are continuously updated. We're not allowed to keep a a field condition notm out for more than a 24-hour period. So if we don't update it, it expires. And that's why it's so important that we have somebody out to re-evaluate the conditions and and keep the notices to airmen up to date. That's a huge priority for us to make sure uh that every pilot that's using the airport knows what they're looking at is is uh in reality true. So, and it only takes one time for us to be wrong and lose that uh lose the I guess every pilot's uh trust in us that we have accurate NOTM. So, it's a huge priority for us. So, I just wanted to make that a comment here. Okay, moving on. Uh, next slide, please. Any questions about those first couple of updates? Okay, so the frequency change, this has been a little over a year in the making, but um a little background, uh, we're currently on 123.0 zero uh which as a reminder for everybody share with uh New Olm, Albert Lee, uh Redwood Falls, Princeton and then some others that we hear like Mason City and and Alexandria which during times of you know stormy weather. We we we do hear those sometimes but because of atmospheric conditions but you know the the the ALAC came to us with a recommendation. We agreed that a change should be made. We initially initially decided on 122975 which shared with New Richmond and the main reason for that was based off just looking at all the airports in 75 mile area uh radius and um you know 122 975 would have only shared with one other airport near Richmond. Um after we made that public that we were on our way to switching to that frequency, um New Richmond came to us with to start a conversation about, you know, actual aircraft operations counts and um we put a a pause on that to do our due diligence on on raising that complaint and uh we we agreed uh that there there was another frequency 12305 which would only share with um Redwing Airport and then a couple private private uh strip or one private strip Baldwin, Wisconsin, which is used um which usually has more traffic in the summer for skydiving type flights. Um and then the the helellipad at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester. Um, when looking at the traffic counts, I've included a couple of or a few different slides and it's jumbled, but some things to to look at would be the 2023, which is that orange color on the chart. Uh, 2024 is the dark blue and 2025 is the light blue. Now, these data points are uh what they call a 7-day trailing average. So it it's just it's to try to smooth out the the lines as you make this chart, but it's uh I think it's a good representation when you look at the counts on the left. Those are operations, which an operation is a takeoff or a landing. And you consider all the traffic calls that need to be made for each operation. But you can see our scale um and our kind of summerlong average is around that 80 80 per day average. Um so that's us and then when you add in you know when I all the airports that we share with it gets to a pretty high number. Uh the next slide is New Richmond and looking at the scale on the left side um you can see that they're averaging around that uh 40 to 60 uh is where I would put that 40 to 60 uh 7-day trailing average per week or per day. So that's where you know we we take ours and New Richmond if we were to switch to them. That's where as you look at this next slide with Redwing where it kind of definitely makes sense that uh we we probably have the better option here with 12305. Um now there's data we I didn't I wasn't able to pull up on here which was the Mayo Clinic and uh and Baldwin, Wisconsin. Those are both private private landings uh he helipad and a private airirstrip. Um, but they're also a little bit further away than than Redwing. So, I think uh any additional counts there would be negligible. But this is the reasoning for the 12305. It's currently in process with the FCC. Next slide, please. Do I have a next slide? I don't. Oh, go back to the original one. Sorry. So, a couple the chart supplement cycle there. um to interpret that. In order to be in for the active chart supplement update that would come out on January 22nd, um uh we we'd have to receive our FCC approval by December 9th in order to meet the December 10th deadline for submission to change the chart. And those are 56 day cycles. If it if we get beyond December 9th, then we're we'd have to target submitting by February 3rd for a March 19th chart cycle update. So, those are our current dates. And um I do I I I I I don't like that it took this long, but I I do prefer doing this change during during the winter or, you know, early spring before it gets too busy just to make this change and and not have 100 plus operations and possibly some of those squeaking by without knowing the the frequency change because everybody's got 123 memorized. So, um any questions on that? [24:44] Tom Fitz Henry: I got one. Susie, so now I'm live. Uh, how are we going to advertise this? Uh, are we going to put something like on the AWAS or are we going to maybe put signs out uh when people taxi out saying new frequency this date so they can kind of change everything in their programs? Because a lot of radios now, the Garmins we use, you you put in the and they're going to have an old database. So you put in like LVN, KLVN, it's going to come back to 123.0. I know you can't do anything about that, but I'm thinking how do we, you know, tell them that, okay, put these signs out and Awas. [25:34] Sam Seafelt: Yeah, basically every when we went through this process at Lake Elmo last year, um yeah, everything you can think of as a means of communicating this to the pilots, we're we're going to do uh newsletter signage uh signage at the entryways of the airport. I don't think I'll be able to put signage out in the taxiways, but um we we def we have the uh automated weather. We can put a message at the end of that. Uh so everybody uh that is being prudent and gets the weather before arriving in and taking off, they should hear that verbal message. It won't be my voice. It'll be one of the employees at State Aeronautics. But um yeah, everything you can think of. We'll have a notem published for that month as well, a notice to airman uh for everybody that checks not. [26:22] Tom Fitz Henry: Okay. And then uh going to remember to change the lights so we can change them too [laughter] [26:28] Sam Seafelt: right? Um there's actually uh through FA tech technical operations division, they have to order new cards for the uh pilot control lighting system in the electrical vault to make sure that it's actually keying in the right frequency. [26:34] Tom Fitz Henry: Okay, sounds like you're hitting it covered. Any questions of Sam on the frequency? [26:45] Steve Getter: Do you have any guess uh which one of these cycles it might hit? I'm assuming it's been submitted for at this point with the FCC. [26:55] Sam Seafelt: It it it's last time we would have we we got ours through and approved um in the time frame to meet the the beginning of December. Uh this time the only thing different is we did have a a government shutdown which could have backlogged them. Um but as soon as we we have word from them, we'll we'll make the change with the FA and get in. Um so that's why I put both dates up there. [27:08] Tom Fitz Henry: Okay, any other questions? I just uh thank Sam for doing this because it the old frequency is just is unsafe to be honest and this is an great improvement for uh for safety for everybody around the airport, everybody that uses it. Thank you very much. [27:42] Sam Seafelt: and thank you to some of the pilots and civil air patrol um which I requested they monitor uh these other two potential frequencies and and just see how many times you you hear traffic from these other airports and you guys got the feedback to me and I appreciate that. Um, and I also agree I just by driving around I hear some of the um frustrations come up with with pilots trying to get a call in when they're in the traffic pattern and and uh it's I think it'll be a good change. [28:05] Tom Fitz Henry: Okay. And then I just want to mention I I'll thank Nick Mers for starting this. Uh he was the one that started it from uh Lakeville and uh I talked to him tonight. He's just saying he's good that we're doing a change and the fastest it could be done, please do it. So that's all I got. [28:19] Sam Seafelt: That concludes my update. [28:22] Tom Fitz Henry: Okay. Uh fly neighborly program comparison. Is that Sam or Jennifer? Oh, okay. Go ahead. Just state your name so everybody online can hear. [28:43] Sai Laku: Good evening everyone. I'm Sai Laku. I'm the community relations intern at the MAC. Um today I'll be sharing an overview of Air Lake Airport noise abatement initiatives and how they compare with the other general aviation airports across the United States. Um overview is noise abatement programs are a set of recommended practices that are prepared in recognition for the need to make the environment around the airport and uh community surrounding the airport as neighborly as possible and the goal is to reduce the impact of the aircraft noise experienced by the residents near the airports. The Federal Aviation Administration generally prevents uh public airports from imposing mandatory restrictions on flight path, limiting hours of operation and discriminating against aircraft access unless rare and exceptional circumstances. Therefore, all the measures can only be voluntary. That means all of um Airlakes noise abatement programs are voluntary. But a volunteer doesn't mean that it's ineffective because Airlex uh noise abatement program works um as we provide a clear guidance of takeoff approach, traffic pattern, helicopter training and nighttime operations and e and offer a fly neighborly guide uh for the pilots to help reduce noise impact experienced by the communities. And these materials are reinforced through seminars, regular meetings with flight school, and ongoing feedback that helps improve the clarity and awareness of these uh procedures. Uh with that, there are over 5,000 public um airports nationwide and only a portion of them have formal noise abatement programs. uh to better understand how Airll fits on the broader uh spectrum, we have studied 15 general aviation airports across the United States, focusing on airports that are similar to Aerake and compared their noise abatement program procedures, outreach strategies, and complaint system to an uh help us benchmark our efforts and align how we practice with the other airports. This is a snapshot of um those 15 airports that were compared on various aspects. And here is a snapshot of um what what I found. The table compares airlake um with other airports and the resources that we have at the air lake. We do have a comp noise complaint system that's uh available 24 hours. Um we have a phone line online form and email. We have a former airport advisory board that's the air airport advisory board. We provide uh fly neighborly and noise abatement best practices for our pilots as resources. We do have Macnom's flight tracker and our preferred runway is 30. Uh we have takeoff approach traffic pattern, maintenance, runup locations, helicopter training and nighttime operations and we have um right traffic pattern and we try to avoid flying over residential areas as our recommended practices and volunteer hours from 10:00 p.m. to 7:00 a.m. local and training from 12 to 7:00 a.m. local. Each of these documents um play a role in how we communicate with the pilots and respond to community concerns. Um we have a fly neighborly guide noise abatement best pract practices. uh a QR code um that takes to the fly neighborly and a snapshot of uh forflight that showcases how our flight neighborly is available on the fourflight. That being said, um other general aviation practices by at these beep um airport that they discourage military aircraft u from using after burners when operating at the air airport. Um given Heirlink doesn't have many military operations it um and Palm Beach County Park um this airport enforces procedures to avoid nearby um environmental sensitive areas and air has a right traffic pattern for runway 12 to keep the flights over the fields that at the south side of the airport. Um other one is middle Georgia regional airport. um they use a hazard overlay district zoning tool for their um residential development in noise sensitive areas. Airl doesn't employ zoning overlays for noise abatement and volunteer procedures and best practices are used instead. Boundary City Municipal Airport. Um they have noise abatement program that uh focuses on high volume of helicopter activity over sensitive national attractions that are near to the location of the airport. Air has minimal helicopter activity and uh its noise abatement measures apply both on fixed wing and helicopter operations. I'm happy to take questions. [34:33] Tom Fitz Henry: Are there any questions? Any online? I'll just make a winter comment. I think the residents are more happy because we're required to do our night qualifications and in the summer when it's close to 9 or 10:00 at night, it may be noisy. But now when it's 4:15 that they with sunsets and we're doing them at 5:15. Uh we might interrupt their supper but we're not making as much noise. So uh anything else? Okay, we'll go ahead and move on then. Uh the work plan. Who's got that one again? Okay, go ahead. [35:22] Sai Laku: Um thank you chair. The commission has u met four times during the year of 2024. We have the dates um available. Um we the chairs were elected for airport user and communities. Um the work plan for the period of 2024 and 2025 was approved. We reviewed aircraft operations and noise complaints uh for the quarter um quarter one to uh third quarter for 2024. Uh we received updates on noise abatement best practices and explored fly neighborly web page enhancements and received manager updates on aircraft operations, construction projects, rate increase and environmental assessment status as well as um there were few educational topics uh on value of the airport in the community tour and environment 101 and received uh updates on community events that were featured. For the year 2025, the commission met four times, including this one. Um, and the following accomplishments include prior meetings as well as today's reviewed aircraft operations and noise complaints um for the quarters. Continued um airport 101 series on value of the airport in the community. Noise 101 overview of um aircraft noise assessment process. received updates on um air air lake uh frequency change, roadway improvements and runway extension planning and uh we discussed community context regarding um Lakewell housing population growth and panor behind the scenes highlighted the FA mosaic modernization and non-local flight training flights we reviewed business items on utility uh franchise feed roadway coordination and fly neighborly program practices and that should be all. Thank you. [37:34] Tom Fitz Henry: Okay. Thank you very much. Um just a question. Uh do we ever meet with the Lakeville board or whatever? uh with all the development coming out does uh I I don't know if she would know zoning, but do we have a zone around the airport that's not considered residential? [37:54] Tina Goodro: Yes. Um the airport is in its own zoning district. It's called I3 industrial or air or um airport um industrial district and everything surrounding it within the city limits is industrial zoned. Um, outside of that, Eureka Township, they control their own zoning. [38:14] Tom Fitz Henry: [clears throat] Thanks for that. I I that's good important because I was going to mention Lake Elmo had that problem where they built all the houses around it. I thank Lakeville for making sense and putting industrial out there. Uh, it it maybe give us a little it takes away some of our safety zones, but some of us might be able to land on some of them big roofs. I don't know. [laughter] But I I think uh thank you for that. Um we're down to uh member announcements. So I'll I'll make the first announcement. Uh last night I attended the chapter 25 uh which is the EAA, the Experimental Aircraft Association. They they built a new hanger. It was on the uh north side. It's now on the south side. And we got to see their gorgeous hanger. and it probably the biggest attendance we've had in a long time. We find out there not a lot of parking over there, so we'll have to work on that or maybe encroach on some of Adam's parking, but it was a very good turnout and I'm glad to see that they're financially stable with that. Uh they talked about what how their finances are doing and they got some big donors in that. So, we're looking forward to having meetings over there. Now, we just got to get the people to get on the right side of the runway to do it. Uh any other members have comments? Uh I'll go ahead with uh Pat Moyahan first and then we'll see what else. Do you have an announcement for your meetings or [39:49] Pat Moyan: um just just an announcement? I don't have a a slide prepared, but it's the uh reliever airport advisory committee, the rack they call it. Uh that meets on December 9th up at the MAC headquarters up by the airport, Minneapolis airport. Um, I believe the time is starting at 7:00 p.m. and everybody's welcome to come to that. [40:08] Tom Fitz Henry: Okay. Uh, anybody else? Nothing for me. Okay. How about anybody online got anything to mention? Just in case there's one representative up there, Mike. Okay. Then uh we'll go with the uh uh proposed meeting dates. It looks like uh you're picking uh the March 12th, June 11th, September 10th, and December 10th uh for the dates. Uh I don't know if we can even act on them right now or does anybody have any questions or problems with those dates? [40:41] Tina Goodro: I can tell you December 10th is a conflict for me. [40:41] Tom Fitz Henry: Okay, aside from that. Okay, no comments. Anybody else online? Can you can you at least uh phone a friend and get in here on the phone or [40:59] Speaker 2 (Online): No, I I won't be. It's the Whip Christmas party. Which we we just got our holiday schedule for next year. So. [41:14] Tom Fitz Henry: Oh. Okay. So, I guess uh from the membership that looks good if we can say that. And then uh we're going to have membership renewal. So, be reelecting the board members. So, those that wish to run. Uh, do we let Sam know or or are you going to put out a a thing saying who wants to run for this or who wants to run away from this? Either one. [41:27] Sam Seafelt: I think I have um on my plate the the pilot side in chamber and FBO. So, those are the be the people I'll be contacting. [41:40] Tom Fitz Henry: Okay. So, we need to get the uh other side to let us know if their people are still in there. I'm assuming the same people be in place unless one of them wants to run for like the co-chair or whatever. I'll let you know. I'll if they if people wish me to, I'll stay on as co-chair for the users group. So, make it easier for you. Uh any other discussion on that? [42:02] Jennifer Lewis: I'll just make a note that I will be reaching out to the current membership and thanking everyone. We certainly appreciate all of your participation for the past two years. We do have a two-year terms set up um for this group. And so anyone that I reach out to if they are interested in continuing on, that would be a good time to respond. Um just reply that you are still interested. But we are going to be looking for membership renewals for all of the communities around the table. Um and then um like Sam said, he will be soliciting the airport user side because this group does have to have a balance. We want to have the same number of community representatives as we have for airport user representatives and and that is just the way we're going to move forward. So communication from me will start in December. If you all can go, you know, look at your calendar, see if these dates work for you. Um, and let me know, you know, if you are interested in continuing on. I would love to finalize the roster and memberships by January 31st. So, I will be reaching out and communicating with each of you individually to try to accomplish that. [43:09] Tom Fitz Henry: Okay. Any questions from Jennifer? I just want to say since we started this, I'm impressed. Uh we've gotten things done, gotten some resolutions and some of them are still waiting to be resolved. So, but I thank uh MAC staff and actually city staff. Uh it's not very often that uh some cities do get involved in airports and I appreciate that. So, if we have no further items to discuss, I'll go ahead and close this meeting. Thank you everybody.