CDBG AUTHORIZED UNDER TITLE ONE OF THE HOUSING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ACT IN 1974 IS AMENDED. IT IS A FLEXIBLE FUNDING SOURCE THAT CAN BE USED FOR BOTH HOUSING AND NONHOUSING ACTIVITIES. REHABILITATION IS BOTHDS REHABILITATION OF EXISTING HOUSGC S THE REHABILITATION WORK MUST BRING ALL ITEMS UP TO CODE. WHILE CDBG CAN BE USED FOR MINOR REHABILITATION, SUCH AS WEATHERIZATION AND EMERGENCY REPAIR, THE APPROACH TO HOME OWNERSHIP CAN BE IN THE FORM OF HOME BUYER SUBSIDY, SUCH AS DOWN PAYMENT AND CLOSING COST ASSISTANCE AS WELL AS DEVELOPMENT SUBSIDY TO CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS WHICH CAN BE NEW CONSTRUCTION OR TO ACQUIRE AN EXISTING UNIT, REHABILITATE IT AND THEN SELL THE UNIT TO LOW MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLD. SO CITY OF PLANO HOME FUNDS ARE USED FOR BOTH PROGRAMS, SO WE HAVE THE CITY OF PLANO'S HOUSING REHABILITATION PROGRAM BUT HAS A MAXIMUM PROPERTY VALUE OF 383,180. THE CONDITION HAS TO POSE A SERIOUS THREAT TO HEALTH AND WELFARE OF THE FAMILY. AN EMERGENCY HAS TO HAVE OCCURRED WITHOUT WARNING. >> FORIFETE LIMITS, YOU TWO THAT CAN BE RECEIVED OVER 55,000 IN HOUSING REHABILITATION ASSISTANCE, OR YOU'VE HAD A FULL RECONSTRUCTION. FOR THE FIRST TIME HOME BUYER PROGRAM, ELIGIBLE HOME BUYERS MAY SELECT ONE OF THE TWO FUNDING OPTIONS, HAVE YOU THE VETERAN'S DAY BEING FUNDING WHICH ALLOWS UP TO 10,000 WITH A FIVE YEAR LIEN, IT'S FORGIVABLE ANNUALLY BY THE END OF FIVE YEARS AND THE BALANCE WOULD BE ZERO. HOME FUNDS ARE UP TO 55,000 WITH A FIFTEEN YEAR LIEN, IT'S FORGIVABLE AFTER FIFTEEN YEAR, HOWEVER, IF THEY MOVE OUT, LEASE, SELL OR CASH OUT BEFORE FIFTEEN YEARS, THE ENTIRE AMOUNT IS DUE BACK TO THE CITY. SO PARTNERSHIPS WITH NONPROFITS. THE CITY USES AN ANNUAL CONSOLIDATED GRANT PROCESS FOR FUNDING CONSIDERATION OF CDBG AND HOME FUNDS NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS. ANY NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT WISHES TO UTILIZE HUD FUNDS TO DEVELOP AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAM MUST APPLY FOR FUNDING DURING THIS CONSOLIDATED GRANT PROCESS. DURING THIS COMPETITIVE GRANT PROCESS, PUBLIC SEION LICENSE HELD, EACHT APPLICATION IS REVIEWED BY THE C R REPAIR, HABITAT FOR HUMAN, PLANO AND REBUILDING TOGETHER ARE EXAMPLES OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE FUNDED FOR THIS PURPOSE. THERE ARE TWO APPROACHES TO PROMOTE HOMEOWNERSHIP, ONE IS PROVIDING DOWN PAYMENT ASSISTANCE AND THE SECOND IS PROVIDING A SUBSIDY FOR DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS, FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS, NONPROFORTS CAN USE FUNDING TO ACQUIRE, CONSTRUCT, OR REHABILITATE AND THEN ALSO SELL THE HOME TO LOW, MODERATE INCOME FAMILY. WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING BOTH WITH HABITAT FOR HUMANITY AND THE HOUSING CHANNEL. HABITAT RECEIVES CDBG FUNDS AND HOME FUNDS WHILE HOUSING CHANNEL ONLY RECEIVES HOME. HOME ALSO IS SPECIFIC TO CHODOs, 15% OF OUR HOME FUNDS HAVE TO BE ALLOCATED TO A CDO AND THEY HAVE TO BE COMMITTED TO A PROJECT BY A CHODO WITHIN 24 MONTHS AFTER HAVE BEEN MADE AVAILABLE TO THE CITY. A NONPROFIT UNDER STATE OR LOCAL LAW, IT HAS TO BE AN ORGANIZATION UNDER STATE OR LOCAL LAW. AT LEAST ONE THIRD OF THE BOARD MEMBERS MUST QUALIFY AS LOW INCOME, OR THE RESIDENTS HAVE TO BE REPRESENTATIVES OF A LOW INCOME AREA. THE ORGANIZATION MUST HAVE STAFF THAT HAS THE CAPACITY TO DEVELOP AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE COMMUNITY IT SERVES. GOVERNMENT AND FOR PROFIT COMPANIES ARE PERMITTED ONLY IN A VERY LIMITED ROLE TO THE GROUP'S GOVERNANCE ALONG WITH OTHER RULES, DUE TO THE ELIGIBILITYEQUIREMENT NOT ALL NONPROFITS CAN BE DESIGNATED AS CHODOs AND RECEIVE THESE SET-ASIDE FUNDS. ALL OF YOU SHOULD BE FAMILIAR WITH HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROGRAM, THIS IS YET ANOTHER ONE OF OUR LOW-TO-MODERATE INCOME HOUSING PROGRAMS WITHIN THE CITY. IT IS A FEDERAL HOUSING TAX CREDIT PROGRAM THAT DIRECTS PRIVATE CAPITAL TOWARD THE CREATION OF AFFORDABLE RENTAL HOUSING FOR HOUSEHOLDS EARNING AT OR BELOW 60% AMI. TDHC ADMINISTERS THIS PROGRAM FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS AND REQUIRES THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ISSUE A RESOLUTIONF SUPPORT OR NO OBJECTION IN ORDER FOR APPLICATIONS TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR TAX CREDITS OR BOND FINANCING THROUGH THE STATE. THE RESOLUTION SUPPORT IS ISSUED BY THE CITY OF PLANO IS RELATED SPECIFICALLY TO POTENTIAL FINANCING ONLY AND MAKES NO FINDING REGARDING EITHER THE SUITABILITY OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OR COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY OF PLANO'S DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS AND APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION SHOULD NOT BE CONSTRUED AS DEVELOPMENT PERMIT OR APPROVAL. THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 1729 HOUSING TAX CREDIT FUNDED UNITS WITHIN THE CITY OF PLANO.T AND THEN 179 GENERAL UNITS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. AND FINALLY, THE PLANO HOUSING AUTHORITY, PLANO HOUSING AUTHORITY IS A SEPARATE QUASI GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY. THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS ARE APPOINTED BY OUR MAYOR. PHA'S RESPONSIBLE ENTITY, WHICH MEANS THAT ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEWS ARE CONDUCTED BY CITY STAFF IN ORDER FOR PHA TO RECEIVE ANY CAPITAL FUNDING. CITY STAFF WORKS COOPERATIVELY WITH PHA STAFF AND BOARD REGARDING PROGRAMS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OF LOW-TO-MODERATE INCOME FAMILIES. DO HAVE DAVE YOUNG HERE TONIGHT WHO IS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, HE'S GOING TO BE PROVIDING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO CITY COUNCIL, SO I WILL GO AHEAD AND GET TO THE SLIDES. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL, I'M DAVE YOUNG THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. VE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE ARE AND HOW WE OPERATE, WE WERE ESTABLISHED IN 1952 BY THE CITY OF PLANO, AND AT THAT POINT IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY WOULD NOT BE A DIRECT COMPONENT OF THE CITY, THAT'S WHAT MAKES US QUASI GOVERNMENTAL. CURRENTLY, WE HAVE RIGHT ABOUT 908 HOUSING CHOICE VOUCHERS. WE ALSO OWN 23 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES SCATTERED AROUND THE ENTIRE CITY. WE PROVIDE 40 VOUCHERS, DIRECTLY GOING TO THE VETERANS ASSISTANCE CENTER. NOW, ALL REFERRALS FROM THAT COME DIRECTLY FROM THE VA. 39 MAINSTREAM VOUCHERS, WHAT THOSE ARE IS FOR FOLKS THAT ARE NONELDERLY, AND IT'S A DIRECT REFERRAL SYSTEM FROM METRO DALLAS HOMELESS AND ALSO EVEN FROM THE CITY OF PLANO'S HOMELESS COALITION RIGHT HERE, AND WE ALSO ARE A PARTNER IN PLANO PUBLIC FACILITY CORPORATION, A THATLLOW US TO BRING SOME AFFORDABLE UNITS INTO THE CITY. WE HAVE ALL OF THIS IS BEING DONE CURRENTLY ON THE STAFF OF SIX, AND THAT INCLUDES ME. OUR INTAKE ON THIS FROM A WAITING LIST PERSPECTIVE, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, WE TOOK 6500 APPLICATIONS IN MAY 2021, PRIOR TO THAT, THE NEXT -- THE PREVIOUS TIME THAT IT WAS OPEN WAS JULY 18 AND WE TOOK A LITTLE OVER 20,000 APPLICATIONS DURING THAT PERIOD. ALL OF THAT WAS ONLINE. THAT'S WHY WE WERE ABLE TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE AREN'T STANDING OUT IN THE HEAT, BATTLING THE WEATHER, WE'RE USING TECHNOLOGY TO OUR ADVANTAGE, AND IT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO APPLY RIGHT FROM THEIR HOME. ANYBODY TH CAPABILITY THEY'RE NORMALLY BEING USED TO DPLIANCE FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, AND WITH THE MAINSTREAM PROGRAM, METRO DALLAS HOMELESS AND THE PLANO HOMELESS PREVENTION PROGRAM RUN DIRECTLY THROUGH THE CITY HERE. FOLKS WILL APPLY ON A WAITING LIST. IF YEAR LUCKY, WE'RE ABLE TO GET THAT WAITING LIST TO TURN ABOUT EVERY THREE TO FIVE YEARS. WE CAN'T CONTROL THAT. WE CAN ONLY OPEN IT WHEN WE ASSUME WE CAN REASONABLY HELP SOMEBODY, SO THERE'S NO POINT IN HAVING THAT OPEN ALL THE TIME IF I CAN'T HELP PEOPLE. ON AVERAGE, WE GET ABOUT 8,000. THERE IS A PREFERENCE FOR RESIDENTS OF PLANO. THOSE WILL GO TO THE TOP OF THE WAITING LIST. ONCE THEY'RE UP THERE, WE DO A PRE-QUALIFICATION PERSPECTIVE, FAIRLY COMMON SENSE PERSPECTIVE THERE. HEAVY CRIMINAL BACKGROUND. IF THEY PASS THAT, WE'RE ABLE TO ISSUE THEM A VOUCHER AND THEY CHOOSE THEIR OWN UNIT. THIS IS KIND OF AN EYE OPENER FOR A LOT OF FOLKS RIGHT HERE IS HOW MUCH YOU CAN EARN AND STILL BE CONSIDERED ELIGIBLE. THE WAY YOU READ THAT UP AT THE TOP, THAT'S THE TOTAL NUMBER OF FAMILY MEMBERS. THAT INCLUDES CHILDREN. COME TO THE VERY LAST LINE THERE, WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT LOW, THAT IS 80%, WHAT IT'S REFERRING TO THERE IS THE MEDIAN INCOME THAT GETS DERIVED EVERY YEAR. SO FOR PERSPECTIVE FAMILY OF FOUR CAN MAKE RIGHT ABOUT 77,000 AND STILL BE ELIGIBLE TO BE ON OUR PROGRAM. THAT'S ABLE TO TAKE UP A LOT OF OUR COMMUNITY WORKERS, FOLKS THAT WORK ON THE CITY STAFF WOULD EVEN BE ELIGIBLE IN A LOT OF CASES. ALL OF THOSE NUMBERS ARE DERIVED BY HUD. THIS IS OUR NORMAL OPERATING AREA. HOUSING AUTHORITIES IN NORTH TEXAS ARE A LITTLE STRANGE. THIS IS BECAUSE A LOT OF CITIES YOU WOULD THINK WOULD HAVE A HOUSING AUTHORITY DOESN'T. RICHARDSON, WYLIE, RECALL ROULE, THEY DON'T HAVE HOUSING AUTHORITIES, WHAT HUD TELLS US, Y'ALL COVER THAT AREA, ALL OF US CHIP IN, THAT'S WHY WE'RE ABLE TO EXTEND OUR JURISDICTION OUTSIDE OF THE NORMAL CITY LIMIT. EVEN THOUGH WE ARE THE PLANO HOUSG AUTHORITY, OPERATE THE ENTIRE METROPLEX. IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO GET FULL COVERAGE FOR THE METROPLEX. THIS IS ALSO WHY WE PUT A PREFERENCE FOR PLANO RESIDENTS. IF YOU ARE ON OUR WAITING LIST, YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO THE TOP. YOU CAN STILL CHOOSE WHEREUICK Y HERE, GO TO THAT SECOND COLUMN, 75074 IS WHERE EVERYBODY IS SITTING RIGHT NOW, LOOKING THE TWO BEDROOM, LOOK IN THE THREE BEDROOM, THAT'S THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT WE CAN PAY. YOU CAN SEE HOW IT KIND OF SWINGS. THIS METHODOLOGY IS CREATED BY HUD. TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION MLS DATA, AVERAGE RENTS, IT'S PRETTY EYE OPENING FOR A LOT OF FOLKS, AND THIS KIND OF EXPLAINS WHY SOMEBODY MIGHT WANT TO LIVE IN A PARTICULAR AREA, MAY OR MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT. ALL OF THE DATA YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS RIGHT ON OUR WEBSITE, TOO, SO -- AND I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PROVIDE IT TO Y'ALL, IF YOU WANT TO GET A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON IT. THIS IS NO SURPRISE RIGHT HERE. WE'RE SITTING IN ONE OF THE MOST CHALLENGING AREAS. THAT IS JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF IT. SO WHEN FOLKS TALK ABOUT WANTING TO COME HERE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, THAT'S THE FIRST THING I TELL THEM, YEAH, I CAN IMAGINE YOU DO WANT TO COME HERE, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE. WE'RE GOING TO HELP YOU TRY AND FIND A PLACE AS BEST WE CAN. BUT, LOOK, WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE'RE FACING RIGHT NOW, RENTS ARE GOING UP CRAZY HIGH. HOW MUCH DOES THE PARTICIPANT PAY? HE'S THE ANSWER. 30% OF THEIR INCOME. THEY'RE GOING TO PAY 30%, WE'RE GOING TO PAY THE REST. IF THEY GET A BETTER-PAYING JOB, WELL, THEY PAY MORE, WE PAY LESS. IF THEY LOSE THAT JOB, THAT'S WHY THERE'S A MAXIMUM AMOUNT WE CAN PAY. WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR WORST CASE SCENARIO THAT WE KNOW POTENTIALLY I'M GOING TO HAVE TO PAY ALL THAT RENT, BUT THAT'S WRE WRE AT WITH THIS, RIGHT NOW HUD IS GIVING ME APPROXIMATELY $600,000 A MONTH TO PAY ON ALL OF THOSE FAMILIES. RIGHT NOW I CAN ONLY PAY ABOUT 60% FOR THOSE FAMILIES. THE REASON WHY, IT'S MORE DEMAND THAN THE MONEY. THAT'S ALL IT IS. CONGRESS ESTABLISHES OUR BUDGET. THEY LEAVE TO IT HUD. HUD GIVES IT TO ME. AND THAT IS HOW THE HOUSING AUTHORITY OPERATES. DEMOGRAPHICS, AS OF THIS MONTH FORTUNATELY ABOUT HALF DEMOGRAPHICS STAY RIGHT HERE IN PLANO AFTER THEY GET THA VOUCHER. THEY WANT TO BE HERE. SOMETIMES THEY HAVE TO MOVE DIFFERENT CITY TO TRY AND BE CLOSER TO FAMILY, MAYBE DO A JOB, MAYBE FOR MEDICAL REASONS. I BROKE IT DOWN HERE FOR YOU BY BEDROOM SIZE. JUST SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHAT THE AVERAGES ARE. IT'S NOTL AREN'T USED TO SEEING. RENTS ARE GOING UP. BUT THIS IS WHY WE'RE SPENDING THE MONEY THE WAY . WE R RIGHT NOW IS TWO-FOLD. ONE IS FROM EMPLOYERS. WE ACTUALLY HAVE THIS TALK WITH THEM A LOT. THEY ARE TRYING TO GET IT WHERE PEOPLE CAN WORK WHERE THEY LIVE. ESPECIALLY FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S -- HAS A JOB THAT IS INCOME BASED LIKE ON THE TIP SIDE WAITRESS SERVERS THINGS LIKE THAT, THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE, AND THAT'S THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THE EMPLOYERS ARE TALKING ABOUT. FOLKS ARE HAVING TO WORK FOR A COUPLE OF WEEK, THEY CAN'T AFFORD THE COMMUNITY ANYMORE. CHILD CARE AND COMMUTING COSTS. SO THEY QUIT. THE EMPLOYER HAS TO REPLACE THEM. THE CYCLE STARTS ALL OVER AGAIN. BETWEEN THAT AND THE OTHER SAYING MOM'S GOT TO HAVE ART PLACE TO GO AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO SEND HER ANYMORE. FOR THE 55 AND OVER COMMUNITY. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE HAVING A LOT MORE CALLS RIGHT NOW. HUD IS HAVING A LOT OF CONFERENCE CALLS ON THAT ISSUE. IT'S THE SILVER AGING IS WHAT IS HUD IS CALLING IT. THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND A PLACE TO PUT THESE FOLKS. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. VERY INFORMATIVE -- AROUND THE DAIS, SO I'LL START WITH YOU COUNCILMEMBER, RICCIARDELLI. >> Ricciardelli: THANK YOU, MAYOR, DAVE, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, AS THE MAYOR SAID, THAT WAS VERY ENLIGHTENING AND VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD GO BACK ONE SLIDE FROM WHERE YOU ARE RIGHT NOW. THE -- I NOTICED THAT THE AMOUNT SUN SUBSIDIZED ON A ONE BEDROOM SEEMS TO BE HIGHER THAN ON A THREE BEDROOM, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, THE FOUR BEDROOM SEEMS TO BE MORE SUBSIDIZED. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS DRIVING THAT? IS IT JUST, YOUNOW, HOW MUCH INCOME THE TENANTS IN THOSE VARIOUS UNITS HAVE OR IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE DRIVING THAT? I GUESS THE REASON I WAS ASKING IS, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS TO ME, AS YOU HAVE KIDS, MONEY IS STRETCHED MORE THINLY, NOT LESS, SO I NOTICED HOW MUCH THE ONE BEDROOM WAS SUBSIDIZED VERSUS SAY THE THREE BEDROOM. >> TRADITIONALLY, WHAT WE FIND ONE BEDROOMS ARE MOSTLY YOUR FOLKS ON FIXED INCOME, SOCIAL SECURITY. >> Ricciardelli: OH, OKAY. >> AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT A ONE BEDROOM CONSIDERABLY, THAT FIXED INCOME IS NOT RAISING. TH. >> THAT IS LEAVING US TO PAY THE DIFFERENCE. >> Ricciardelli: THAT MAKE SENSE, BECAUSE THAT'S ALL YOU CAN FOR THE ON SOCIAL SECURITY. THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU DO AND THIS GREAT PRESENTATION. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER GRADY. >> Grady: JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS DAVE YOU INDICATED YOU HAVE A LIST, AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING FOR A UNIT ARE ON THAT LIST, AND YOU TYPICALLY I BELIEVE TAKE THOSE IN ORDER UNLESS THEY ARE A PLANO RESIDENT IN WHICH CASE THEY MOVE UP TO THE FRONT OF THE LIST. IS THAT -- HOW DO YOU DO THAT, BECAUSE I THOUGHT HUD REALLY REQUIRED EVERYTHING TO BE TAKEN IN THE ORDER THAT THEY HAVE APPLIED, SO IS IT IN YOUR CHARTER THAT MAKES THAT CHANGE OR HOW DO YOU DO THAT? >> THERE'S A FEDERAL REGULATION THAT ALLOWS HOUSING AUTHORITIES TO CREATE A LOCAL PREFERENCE. OUR LOCAL PREFERENCE WE HAVE IS FOR RESIDENT OF PLANO. YOU COULD HAVE MULTIPLE, OUR HOUSING AUTHORITY, OUR BOARD ELECTED TO DO LOCAL PREFERENCE FOR RESIDENT OF PLANO, IT'S A WEIGHTED STRUCTURE. BASICALLY THEY'RE GIVE AN SOWARE WILL GO POINTS, DATE IN TIME. THIS ALSO ALLOWS FOR SOMEBODY TO MOVE INTO THE CITY AND ACQUIRE THAT PREFERENCE. IF THEY LEAVE THE CITY, THEY LOSE THE PREFERENCE. AND THE WAITING LIST IS CONSTANTLY UPDATED EVERY MONTH, SO IT'S ALWAYS SORTING ITSELF BASED ON THAT PREFERENCE THEN DATE AND TIME. >> Grady: OKAY, WELL, THANK YOU, THE OTHER QUESTION I THIS IS FOR THE CITY MANAGER, THIS IS FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES RIGHT NOW CORRECT? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> Grady: OKAY, THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: MAYOR PRO TEM? >> YOU SHOWED A SLIDE WHERE YOU MENTIONED YOUR APPLICATION PROCESS IS FULLY ONLINE, SO I WAS WONDERING WHAT RESOURCES YOU PROVIDE TO HELP PEOPLE WHO MAY BE HOMELESS OR NOT HAVE ACCESS TO TECHNOLOGY THAT WOULD MAKE IT HARD FOR THEM TO APPLY FOR -- OR PUT IN THE APPLICATION ONLINE? >> THERE'S ALSO A FEDERAL REGULATION THAT STATES OUR APPLICATION PROCESS HAS TO BE CONSIDERED REASONABLE EVEN FOR ALL OF THOSE FOLKS THAT YOU JUST MET, WE HAVE TO GIVE 30 DAYS NOTICE WHENEVER OUR WAITING LIST IS GOING TO OPEN. DURING TT NICE PERIOD IS WHEN WE S IF YOU NEED ANY TYPE OF ASSISTANCE, VISUALLY IMPAIRED, CAN'T READ, CAN'T TYPE, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME TO OUR OFFICE, WE WILL ASSIST YOU ONE WOUND AND RECORD THE DATE AND TIME AS THE TIME YOU ACTUALLY WENT INTO THE WAITING LIST. IT'S ALSO ABLE -- SINCE IT IS A MOBILE VARIANT, FOLKS COULD GO TO CHURCHES, LIBRARIES, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, TO DO THE EU WOULD THINK E METROPLEX WE WOULD HAVE A HIGHER HISPANIC, WE DON'T. YOU WOULD THINK WE WOULD SEE A LOT OF HIGHER ASIAN, WE DON'T. WHAT WE HAVE BEEN FINDING, BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY WENT OUT AND ASKED LAST TIME, WHY DIDN'T YOU APPLY? FIRST OF ALL, FOLKS DIDN'T THINK THEY WERE ELIGIBLE. WHICH IS FRUSTRATING. ALL I HAVE TO HAVE IS ONE ELIGIBLE PERSON FOR CITIZENSHIP IN THAT HOUSEHOLD. NOW, THE ASSISTANCE WILL BE PRO RATED. IF THERE'S ONE ELIGIBLE CITIZEN AND THREE INELIGIBLE, THAT I WILL GET 25% OF THE ASSISTANCE, BUT 25 IS BETTER THAN NOTHING. ONE OF THE THINGS WE TRY TO DO DURING EVERY WAIT LIST OPENING IS TO CONTACT THE CHURCHES AS WELL AS ALL OF THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH CENTERS, GET THE WORD OUT ON THE STREET, TELL YOUR FOLKS THIS WAITING LIST IS OPEN. IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO APPLY. THE HOUSING IS UNLIKE SOCIAL SECURITY, IT'S NOT CONSIDERED AN ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM, BUT EVERYONE IS ELIGIBLE, AND THEY NEED TO APPLY. >> SO I STILL DIDN'T HEAR A RATIO, SO WHAT -- EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO GUESS, WHAT IS THE RATIO OF THE DIFFERENT ETHNIC APPLYING OR GETTING VOUCHERS. >> ON AN ACTIVE, MEANING THEY'RE ON OUR PROGRAM, APPROXIMATELY 60% AFRICAN-AMERICAN, ABOUT 25% CAUCASIAN. THE REMAINDER IS BEING SPREAD. AMERICAN INDIAN, ASIAN, ISLAND PACIFIC, LESS THAN 3% EACH. FOLKS JUST DON'T KNOW THEY'RE ELIGIBLE TO APPLY. THE OTHER PART, TOO, THAT WE FIND, SOME FOLKS THINK IT'S THE FAMILY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE CARE OF THEM. THAT'S FINE. I'M NOT ARGUING WITH IT. BUT THESE FOLKS ARE ELIGIBLE. THEY NEED TO APPLY. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS? >> Williams: NO QUESTION, THANK YOU. >> Prince: THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION, ONE OF THE LAST NUMBERS YOU GAVE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS ON THE SLIDE OR YOU SAID IT OUTLOUD, YOU SAID THERE WAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE TO USE, BUT WE ONLY USE, WHAT WAS THAT -- >> HUD GIVES US APPROXIMATELY $600,000 A MONTH FOR RENTAL ASSISTANCE. WHAT I AM CAPPE ABOUT 550 FAMILY AS MONTH. >> GOT YA'. >> COULD BE CLOSER TO ALMOST A THOUSAND. >> OF THE 908 VOUCHERS WE ARE ISSUING, HAVE WE HAVING TROUBLE FINDING PLACES THAT WILL ACCEPT THE VOUCHERS? ARE WE DOING ANYTHING PROACTIVELY TO TRY TO RECRUIT NEW LANDLORDS OR -- >> I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH ONE OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES WE USE QUITE A BIT, IT'IN THETATE OF TEXAS, THERE IS NO MANDATE THAT A LANDLORD MUST ACCEPT THIS VOUCHER. AUSTIN TRIED TO PASS IT AS A CITY ORDINANCE. IT VERY QUICKLY GOT REPEALED. THE STATE WOULD NOT ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. SPECIFICALLY, WHAT THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX SAID IS THEY DON'T NEED US RIGHT NOW. IT'S A NUMBERS GAME ON THEIR END. THESE APARTMENT COMPLEXES ARE HAVING WAITING LISTS OF THEIR OWN. WHEN THEY HAVE A WAITING LIST, THEY DON'T NEED ME. WHEN THEY HAVE A LOT OF VACANCIES, SDENLY'M VERY POPULAR. >> Holmer: SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING LEGALLY THAT WE AS A CITY CAN DO TO HELP INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO ACCEPT VOUCHERS, MAYBE YOU COULD LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP MAKE MORE -- MORE PLACES AVAILABLE ANYWAY SO THOSE CAN BE PUT TO USE IN PLANO. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER SMITH? >> Smith : THANK YOU, MAYOR. YOU ALREADY ANSWERED ONE OF MY QUESTIONS I HAD, HOW DO WE GET THE WORD OUT, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE DOING A GOOD JOB GETTING THE WORD OUT, BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY MORE APPLICANTS THAN WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO HELP, SO NOT A LOT WE CAN DO THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A LOT MORE FEEL "PEOPLE" THAN WE CAN HELP, WHAT DOES THE SCORING PROCESS OR HOW DO YOU DETERMINE? I KNOW WE SAID WE HAVE A LOCAL OPTION, SO IF YOU LIVE IN PLANO, YOU GET PREFERENCE. WHAT OTHER THINGS MAKE A DIFFERENCE. , IN OTHER WOS, IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN SHARE THAT CAN HELP SOMEONE IF THEY'RE FILLING OUT THEIR APPLICATION OR INFORMATION THAT THEY MIGHT NOT THINK TO PUT DOWN. WHAT CAN THEY DO TO HELP THEIR ODDS OF BEING ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT DOES GET ASSISTANCEE USE TO MOVE 313? MAYBE THEY GET MOVED UP TO 198. I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. >> THE ONLY PREFERENCE WE HAVE IS THE CITY OF PLANO. ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAD CONSIDERED, BUT WE FOUND OUT IT KIND OF WASN'T FEASIBLE. WHAT IF THE NEXT TIME WE OPEN OUR WAITING LIST WE ARE ABLE TO GET IT TO THE WATER BILL? SOMEHOW. AT LEAST THAT WOULD TELL EVERYBODY IN THE CITY OF PLANO, HEY, THIS IS GOING TO BE OPEN. IT'S JUST HARD WHEN IT ONLY DOES IT EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS AT BEST. BEYOND THAT COULD BE A THREE TO FIVE-YEAR WAIT. WHEN PEOPLE DO APPLY AND WE REACH THAT MAXIMUM, THAT'S WAS THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD. THEY DON'T GET HELP. DO THEY HAVE TO CONTINUALLY REAPPLY OR DO THEY STAY IN THE SYSTEM SO WHEN SOMEBODY DROPS OFF, THEY MOVE OUT OF PLANO, THEY LOSE THAT PREFERENCE? HOW DO THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALREADY APPLIED GET PRIORITY TO CONTINUE TO MOVE UP THAT LIST AND BE ASSISTED? >> EVERY SINGLE MONTH WHEN WE RERUN THE WAITING LIST, IT'S ON A SOFTWARE BASIS. ANYBODY THAT'S APPLIED CAN LOG IN. THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SEE THEIR EXACT POSITION. IF THEY MOVED INTO THE CITY OF PLANO, THEY'L CHECK A BOX. THEY'RE ABLE TO SEE EVERY SINGLE MONTH EXACTLY WHERE THEY'RE AT ON THAT WAITING LIST. EVERY SIX MONTHS THEY ARE REQUIRED TO UPDATE THEIR APPLICATION. AUTOMATED AGAIN. >> THANK YOU. >> YES, SIR. >> DAVE, THANK YOU SO MUCH. PROBABLY FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE DATA THAT YOU PRESENTED, AND I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. >> WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOUR >> GOOD EVENING. I AM BILLY GEORGE, DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF WATER AND WASTE WATER OPERATIONS, NORTHEAST MUNICIPAL WATER DISTRICT. IT'S GREAT TO BE HERE. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. GIVE YO DISTRICT AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN TERMS OF RATES AND OUR STRATEGIC FINANCIAL PLANS GOING FORWARD. I HAVE SOME FOLKS HERE TO SUPPORT. I'LL TALK. I HAVE ASSISTANT DEPUTY R.J.MORASCI WITH US. HE IS OVER OUR CAPITAL PLANNING PROGRAM. HE IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE PROJECTS, WHICH IS A MAJOR DRIVER TO MANY OF OUR COSTS, AND THEN WE HAVE DEPUTY DIRECTOR GENE CHIPPERFIELD. SHE'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE FINANCES AND WHAT WE SEE COMING FORWARD. OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR WOULD HAVE LOVED TO BE HERE TONIGHT, BUT SHE HAD A CONFLICT THAT COULD NOT BE MOVED, BUT SHE DOES SEND HER REGARDS. I WANT TO THANK THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND CONTINUING TO RESIDE. DIRECTOR RON KELLY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. WE ARE IN SOME VERY UNPRECEDENTED TIMES AND YOU, THE CITY, KNOW THIS AS WELL. MANY THINGS ARE HAPPENING. REALLY RAPID REGIONAL GROWTH AT A TIME WE'RE SEEING THE FINANCIAL SITUATION IN THE ECONOMY LOCALLY AND NATIONALLY DOING SOME INTERESTING THINGS, INTEREST RATES ARE ON THE RISE, AND THEN WE'RE STILL ON THE TRAILING END OF SOME GLOBAL SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES THAT REALLY BEGAN TO POP UP WHEN WE WERE UNDERGOING KIND OF THE PEAK OF THE COVID-19 RESPONSE, BUT WE'RE CONTINUING TO SEE THAT AS OUR COUNTRY AND THE WORLD WAS OPENED BACK UP AND JUST INCREDIBLE DEMANDS FOR ITEMS AND IT'S REALLY IMPACTED SUPPLY CHAIN AND DELIVERY DATES AND CRITICAL ASSETS, SO THE SCARCITY. WE ARE REALLY IN AN UNPRECEDENT THE TIME, AND WE'VE MANAGED THAT AS A REGIONAL WASTE WATER AND SOLID WASTE PROVIDER. WE ARE A REGIONAL WASTE WATER AND SOLID WAITS WHOLESALE PROVIDER. WE ORIGINALLY WERE FORMED TO HELP CLEAN THE CITY OF PLANO SOLVE THE WATER W ULTIMATELY SO WASTE. WE OPERATE THE -- OWN AND OPERATE THE 121 LANDFILL UP NEAR BALLISSA. THAT'S WHO WE ARE. WE HAVE OVER 2 MILLION PEOPLE IN OUR WATER SERVICE AREA. A LITTLE MORE THAN A MILLION IN WASTE WATER, AND WE JUST KEEP THAT AT THE FOREFRONT OF ALL THAT WE DO. IT'S TRICKLED DOWN INTO ULTIMATELY 54 INITIATIVES THAT WE DRIVE EVERY DAY IN OUR ORGANIZATION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ACCOMPLISHING THE VISION. REGIONAL SERVICE THROUGH UNITY, MEETING OUR REGION'S NEEDS TODAY AND TOMORROW. THERE ON THE TOP LEFT THERE'S A PICTURE OF OUR BEAUTIFUL CENTER. IT'S AN MAZING PARTNERSHIP WE HAVE WITH A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION WITH THE ROSEWOOD CORPORATION TO REALLY TRAIN AND TEACH FOLKS ABOUT WATER CONSERVATION, AND IT'S NESTLED IN THE 2,000 ACRE WETLANDS THAT WE USE TO ACTUALLY RECLAIM WATER, RECYCLED WATER. WATER RECYCLING AND REUSE IS CRITICALLY IMPORTANT FOR OUR REGION TODAY, AND WE'LL CONTINUING IT ON INTO THE RENTLY AWARDED THE LEOPALD AWARD. IT'S THE HIGHEST HONOR IN THE STATE FOR OWNERS TO RECEIVE IN LAND STEWARDSHIP. WE'RE PROUD OF THAT ACHIEVEMENT WITH THAT PARTNERSHIP AND THAT NONPROFIT. IN THE BOTTOM CENTER I WANT TO TALK ABOUT OUR TEAM. THOSE ARE THE STATE CHAMPION CENTRIPICAL FORCE OPERATION CHALLENGE TEAM. THEY ENTERED A STATE COMPETITION AMONGST A LOT OF WASTE WATER WATER PROVIDERS AROUND THE STATE, COMPETED AND THEY CAME OUT TOP IN A FULL SUITE OF COMPETITIONS FROM THE TECHNICAL LABORATORY AND OTHERS.CONSERVAT. WATER CONSERVATION AND RATE-PAYING PUBLIC IS SAVED WELL OVER $1 BILLION IN DEFERRING DEVELOPMENT OF NEW SUPPLIES. THERE WAS A TIME WHEN -- WE'RE BUILDING A NEW RESERVOIR, AND IT'S COMING ONLINE VERY SOON, COST-SAVING REGIONAL STRATEGY TO ACHIEVE THOSE. NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT IT'S JUST THE RIGHT THING TO DO. HEESHZ A SLIDE HIGHLIGHTING SOME OF THE EFFORTS THAT WE HAVE UNDERWAY TO EDUCATE AND TO INFLUENCE CHANGE. CONSERVATION IS VERY MUCH ABOUT CHANGING BEHAVIOR AND NOT ONLY HOW FREQUENTLY PEOPLE WATER, WHAT PLANTS THEY CHOOSE TO USE IN THEIR LANDSCAPING, WHAT MIGHT THEY DO DIFFERENTLY, RAIN SYSTEMS AND TO PROTECT THE WATER SHED. YOU SEE THE SNAPSHOTS THERE AT THE BOTTOM CENTER PHOTO. IT'S A PICTURE OF OUR STREAM TRAINING, WHICH WE HAVE AND W USE TO TREAT -- TO TEACH GRADE SCHOOL KIDS MOSTLY AND FAMILIES ABOUT WATER SHED. YOU CAN USE THAT AND TRAIN YOUR OWN EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM. WE'RE PROUD OF THAT ASSET THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO JUST THE TEAMS AROUND. SO WE CAN LERCHL OUR RESOARINGSES TO MAKE THIS ALL BETTER DUE TO WATER USERS. WE HAVE A REGIONAL $1.6 BILLION NEW RESERVOIR THAT'S COMING ONLINE RIGHT OUTSIDE OF BONHAMME TEXAS. ITS FIRST APPLICATION WAS PURSUED IN EARNEST IN 2004. THE FIRST MAJOR STUDIES WERE COMPLETED IN 1984. IT TAKES A LONG, LONG TIME TO BRING SOMETHING LIKE THIS ONLINE. A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTAL MITIGATION. IT'S ENVIRONMENTALLY MITIGATED. 17,000 ACRES OF MITIGATION PROPERTY. RESTORED STREAMS AND SO MUCH MORE. WE HAVE A 6.5 MILE NEW FARM MARKET ROAD AND A LITTLE OVER A MILE-LONG BRIDGE E BRIDGE THAT TRAVERSES THE RESERVOIR IT WATER IS ROUGHLY 70 FEET DEEP WHEN IT'S FULL. IT HASN'T FILLED UP YET. WE HAVE BEEN IMPOUNDING WATER SINCE LAST YEAR, AND WE'VE HAD SOME BEEN FISHL RAIN. WE'VE SEEN IT COME UP. IT'S A LITTLE OVER 40% FULL. THERE'S THE MILE-LONG BRIDGE. IT'S AN INTERESTING PHOTO. YOU SEE HOW YOUR EYES FOLLOW THAT BRIBLG ON THE LEFT SIDE. THE WEST SIDE. YOU SEE THAT THERE'S A TREE THAT STILL REMAINS ON THE RIGHT SIDE OR EAST SIDE. IT WILL BE MANAGED BY TEXAS WILDLIFE AS WELL AS FOR SEASONAL HUNTING THAT THEY WILL OVERSEE THERE TOO. ON THE RIGHT SIDE WILL BE MOSTLY RECREATION, AND, OF COURSE, ALL OF THAT IS DONE IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS IS A WATER SUPPLY RESERVOIR. WE'RE ACTIVELY WORKING WITH PARTNERS AND WORKING OURSELVES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING THAT WATER SUPPLY IN THE FUTURE. THE PICTURE TO THE RIGHT IS OUR TREATMENT PLANT. IT'S ON TRACK TO COME ONLINE NEXT YEAR, 2023, AND WE'LL BE PRODUCING WATER INTO OUR SYSTEM. NOTWITHSTANDING, THE UNIQUE TIMES IN SUPPLY CHAIN SURPRISES THAT MAY COME UP AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD AND NAVIGATE. CRAZY TIMES THAT WE'RE IN. WITH THAT I WANT TO TRANSITION TO R.J. WHO WILL GIVE YOU UPDATES ON SOME OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAMS. >> THANK YOU, BILLY. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. HONOR TO BE HERE RSH R.J.MURASKI, RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PLANNING. WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS TAKEOU THROUGH THE THREE MAJOR SYSTEMS THAT WE SERVE FOR THE CITY OF PLANO, STARTING OFF WITH THE REGIONAL WATER SYSTEM. JUST TO GIVE YOU A PERSPECTIVE OF HOW MUCH EFFORT WE HAVE GOING ON, CURRENTLY WE HAVE 25 ACTIVE MAJOR PROJECTS IN DESIGN. OVER 35 ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. AS WE LOOK AT THE PROJECTS, WE KIND OF CATEGORIZED THEM INTO THREE MAIN DRIVERS. ONE IS FOR GROWTH, AND THERE'S PLENTY OF GROWTH GOING ON HERE. THE OTHER IS FOR REGULATORY. SOMETIMES THERE'S REGULATORY REQUIREMENTS IN THE THIRD IS MAIN TAKING EVERY TAKENING OUR AGING INFRASTRUCTURE. WE'VE BEEN AROUND SINCE 1950. SOME OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS AGING, AND THERE'S SOME REQUIREMENTS TO KEEP ALL THAT EQUIPMENT GOING. I'M NOT GOING TO COVER THE ENTIRE REGIONAL WATER SYSTEM PROJECTS. I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE THAT DIRECTLY SUPPORT THE CITY OF PLANO. ON YOUR MAP THERE'S REALLY THREE. THE FIRST ONE AND THE MIDDLE THAT'S JUST UP FOR REHABILITATING OUR AIR RELIEF BOWS. THE BLUE LINES YOU SEE THERE THROUGH ON YOUR MAP, THAT IS OUR MAJOR TRANSMISSION LINE. THOSE RANGE ANYWHERE IN SIZE FROM 72 INCHES UP TO TANK. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF A REGULATORY REQUIREMENT PROJECT. WE'RE BUILDING A SINGLE 10 MILLION GALLON GROUND STORAGE TANK TO BE LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF CUSTER AND GEORGE BUSH, AND ONE-TENTH OF THAT TANK IS TO PROVIDE MINIMUM PRESSURE WITHIN THE SYSTEM. MAINTAIN 5 PSI. IF THERE'S A DISRUPTION OR ANYTHING, IT WILL GIVE US ADDITIONAL TIME IN ORDER TO MAKE SOME REPAIRS. THE OTHER MAIN PROJECT ON THE REGIONAL WATER SYSTEM IS A PARALLEL LINE UP TO WHAT WE CALL PLANO DELIVERY POINT NUMBER THREE. THE CITY HAD FIVE DELIVERY POINTS. YOU'RE NOW DOWN TO FOUR BECAUSE WE HAVE DECOMMISSIONED YOUR FIRST AND ORIGINAL DELIVERY POINT. THE INTENTION IS TO PROVIDE MORE CAPACITY AND MORE RESILIENCY AND REDUNDANCY TO THE CITY OF PLANO. THIS N UNDER CONSTRUCTION, BUT TO GIVE A PERSPECTIVE THERE, WE CURRENTLY HAVE 24 PROJECTS AND DESIGN FOR THE WASTE WATER SYSTEM AND 26 CONSTRUCTION -- ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS RIGHT NOW. BILLY TALKED ABOUT THE LAKE. THE SISTER OF THAT, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE A LOT MORE WATER. THAT MEANS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE WASTE WATER. THIS IS THE SISTER GROVE WATER RESOURCE RECOVERY FACILITY. THE REASON WE CALL IT THE WATER RESOURCE RECOVERY FACILITY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT'S DOING. IT'S TAKING IN WASTE WATER, RECOVERING THE WATER TREATING IT TO A HIGH QUALITY, AND THEN DISCHARGING INTO TRIBUTARIES AND EVENTUALLY THAT GOES BACK INTO LAKE LEVAUGHN. THIS IS THE SISTER PROJECT THAT'S LOCATED NORTH OF NEW HOPE, NORTHEAST OF THE CITY OF McKINNEY, BUILT ON 1,000 ACRE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW. IT WILL BE 64 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. THE UNIQUE THING IS WE RECEIVED THE TCQ PERMIT WITH NO PROTEST WHATSOEVER. THAT'S BECAUSE WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE NEIGHBORS, COMMUNICATING TO THEM AND DEMONSTRATING THAT WE WANTED TO BE THE BEST NEIGHBORS WE COULD, AND WE WERE SUCCESSFUL. WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THAT. WE'RE STILL ACTIVE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE AS WELL BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE WANT TO BE THE BEST NEIGHBORS WE CAN. LARGE PROJECT. CLOSE TO 500 MILLION. WE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF SOME OF THE STATE FUNDING, AND WE WERE ABLE TO ACHIEVE SOME SAVINGS AND USING SOME OF THE LOW-COST LOANS. HERE'S A CLEAR PICTURE. IT'S A PICTURE OF SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE WE HAVE TO BUILD THE SEVERAL MILE LONG TUNNEL THAT TAKES THE HIGHLY TREATED WATER FROM THE FACILITY AND DISCHARGES INTO STIFF CREEK AND THEN GOES BACK INTO THE CITY OF LEVAUGHN. WE DON'T USUALLY DO TUNNELS THAT LARGE, BUT WE'RE AT A 90 INCH TUNNEL. THAT SINGLE TUNNEL WILL TAKE CARE OF THE ENTIRE CAPACITY FOR THE NEXT FOUR PHASES. WE WANT TO GO THROUGH AN AREA AND BUILD IT BIG ENOUGH INSTEAD OF DOING PARALLEL LINES. WE THINK THAT WILL BE A MONEY SAVER IN THE FUTURE. THE GREEN LINES THERE ARE WHAT WE CALL THE UPPER EAST. THOSE ARE THE COLLECTION LINES THAT WE TAKE WATER -- WASTE WATER FROM THE CITY, AND THEN WE CONVEY IT TO THE REIONAL WASTE WATER TREATMENT PLANTS. I'M GOING TO GO LOCK WISE AND SATURDAY IN THE TOP LEFT. THE FIRST IS THE PLANO PRESTON LIFT STATION EXPANSION. THAT TAKES MOST OF THE FLOWS FROM PLANO, AND IT PUSHES THEM UP THE 121 FORCE OVER TO WILSON SKREEK REGIONAL WASTE WATER TREATMENT. THAT'S EXPANDED FROM THE CURRENT MILLION GALLONS A DAY AND DOUBLE TO 60 MILLION A DAY. WE BELIEVE THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF THE BUILD-OUT OF PLANO AND SOME OF THE NORTHERN AREAS THAT SUPPORT THAT. SECOND PROJECT IS WHAT WE CALL THE 121 FORCE MAIN INTERCEPTO SERIES OF IMPROVEMENTS. WE'RE HAVING TO REDO SOME WORK BECAUSE THERE WAS NEW SISTER GROVE. VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT FOR US IN THE FUTURE. BOTH OF THOSE WILL BE UNDER IF WE GO TO THE RIGHT THERE, WASTE WATER TREATMENT PLANT, TWO THINGS GOING THERE. FIRST ONE IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE AK FLOW OF PHASE TWO IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'S CONSISTENT OF BUILDING A NEW SOLID BUILDING. SO THE SOLIDS TO COME OUT OF THE WASTE WATER, WE DEWATER, AND THEY'RE TAKEN UNTO THE LANDFILL. THAT'S A MAJOR PROJECT THAT WILL BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION IN '23 AS WELL AS A NEW BLOWER BUILDING. THE BLOWER PROVIDES THE AIR TO CREATE AIRATION AS A PART OF THE WATE WATER TREATMENT PROCESS. THE OTHER PROJECT IS THE OPERATIONS BUILDING, AND I'M ALSO GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE SCREENING ALONG LOS RIOS WE PROMISED THE CITY. INITIALLY THE ORIGINAL PLAN WAS TO HAVE THAT LIVING SCREEN ON LOS RIOS ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUILDING PROJECT. IT DID NOT MOVE FORWARD AS PLANNED. WE WILL NEED TO RESUBMIT OUR PLANS AS WELL AS THE SCREENING ALONG LOS RIOS. WE HOPE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT SOMETIME THIS YEAR. FINALIZE, DESIGN, AND HOPEFULLY INITIATE CONSTRUCTION IN FY23. OF THE REGIONAL WASTE AND WATER SYSTEM OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. AGAIN, THE GREEN IS GROWTH. THE ORANGE THERE IS REHABILITATING AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THE GRAY IS FOR REGULATORY, BUT JUST TO LIST THE PROJECTS IN SOME OF THE COSTS THERE. A LOT OF PROJECTING GOING ON IN. THEN ALSO THE UPPER EAST FORK INTERCEPTOR SYSTEM. JUST AN EXAMPLE OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THOSE FLOWS AROUND TO BE ABLE TO TREAT THAT WATER. THE LAST THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS THE LONG RANGE WATER SUPPLY. WE KNOW THIS AREA IS GROWING. YOU SEE THAT EACH AND EVERY DAY. I WANT TO SHOW THE EFFORTS TO MAKE SURE WE CAN SECURE ADEQUATE RAW WATER SUPPLIES TO MEET OUR GROWING DEMANDS THROUGH 2008. THIS IS A BUSY SLIDE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION ON THISE.LONG-TERM CONTRACT. THE BLACK SOLID LINE THAT GOES FROM THE LEFT, BOTTOM LEFT, TO THE TOP RIGHT, WHAT THAT SHOWS IS THE DEMAND BY MILLION GALLONS PER DAY TO THE AREA THROUGH 2080. THE DOTTED LINE ABOVE THAT IS WHAT WE ARE CALLING IT'S OUR 10% ALLOWANCE FOR UNCERTAINTY. THERE'S A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY IN THE FUTURE, AND WE WERE PLANNING GET TO ABLE TO MEET THAT 10% UNCERTAINTY, BUT IT MAY TAKE US A LITTLE WHILE TO DO THAT. IN THIS AREA BASED ON THE CENSUS AND SOME OF THE EFFORTS FROM THIS LONG RANGE WATER SUPPLY PLAN, WE ANTICIPATE 55,000 PEOPLE A YEAR MOVING TO OUR SERVICE AREA. THAT'S A NEED OF 8 MILLION GALLONS A DAY PER YEAR. THE CALL-OUTS THERE ON THE TOP, THAT IS THE LAIRD PLANT EXPANSION. AS YOU SEE, THEY WERE HAVING BACK-TO-BACK EXPANSIONS TO ACHIEVE A FINAL 280 MILLION GALLONS A DAY CAPACITY. THAT WILL ALLOW US TO USE ALL THE WATER AS WELL AS MIX SOME OF THE WATER FROM LAKE TEXOMA, WHICH RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ALMOST 20% OF OUR WATER RIGHTS ARE IN TEXOMA. WE HAVE TO DEVELOP AS MUCH RAW WATER SUPPLY BETWEEN NOW AND 80 AS THE DISTRICT DID BETWEEN 1950 AND TODAY. IT IS A BIG TASK, BUT THIS PLAN IS GOING TO HELP US LOOK AT THOSE STRATEGIES AND PUT THOSE IN THE TIMELINE INTO OUR CAPITAL PROGRAM. WE ARE MOVING OUT VERY AGGRESSIVELY RIGHT NOW. AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE'RE LOG AT SOARINGSES TO BE ABLE TO MEET THE NEEDS. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO GENE CHIPPERFIELD WHO WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE DISTRICT FINANCIAL PLAN. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS GENE CHIPPER FOOELTD, THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR FOR ADMINISTRATION. I WILL SAY I AM RELATIVELY NEW TO THE DISTRICT, BUT WILL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. THE FIRST THING I WANTED TO SYS. WE USE THE SFPs TO GIVE OUR CITIES OUR BEST POSSIBLE PROJECTIONS BASED ON THE DATA THAT WE HAVE AT THE TIME. WE HAVE STAYED WITHIN OUR PROJECTIONS AND CONTINUES TO WORK PROJECTIONS IN OUR ACCURACY. WE ARE FACING SOME UNPRECEDENTED ECONOMIC CONDITIONS, AND I'M SURE THE CITY OF PLANO IS ALSO FACING AS WELL. FOR EXAMPLE, OURABOR CHALLENGES INCLUDE HIGH TURNOVER RATES AND HIGH INFLATION. THAT IS NOT ONLY AFFECTING OUR ABILITY TO PAY MARKET RATE SALARIES, AND ALSO OUR EMPLOYEES TAKING HOME A PAYCHECK THAT CAN MEET THEIR NEEDS. WE ALSO ARE FACING UNPRECEDENTED INCREASED IN CHEMICAL COSTS. WE ARE CONTINUING TO SEE SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUES, MAKING IT DIFFICULT FOR US TO GET -- FOR OUR VENDORS TO MAINTAIN THEIR PRICING ON THE CHEMIC RCHASES. THERE'S A LOT OF VOLATILITY IN THE CHEMICAL MARKETS. FINALLY, ON OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, CONTINUED GROWTH IN THE REGION HAS INCREASED THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT WE NEED TO PROVIDE, AND THEN ALSO CONTINUE TO SEE SIGNIFICANT INFLATION AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS AS WELL. I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THE CHEMICAL COST INCREASE FOR YOU. WE RECENTLY REBID SEVERAL CHEMICALS WE USE TO TREAT WATE OUR VENDORS WERE SAYING THEY WERE UNABLE TO HOLD THEIR PRICES. WE FELT THAT REBIDDING WAS THE ONLY OPTION THEY HAD. WITH OUR NEW BIDS OUR PRICES ARE UP PRETTY SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE CURRENT YEAR. AT LEAST A 50% INCREASE IN PRICES. WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO IMPLEMENT A QUARTERLY PRICE ADJUSTMENT BASED ON AN INDEX. OUR PRICING COULD GO UP OR DOWN ON HOW THE MARKET FOR THOSE CHEMICALS IS MOVING ALONG. WE ARE CURRENTLY SEVERAL OF THE SMTZ THAT CITY OF PLANO IS A MEMBER OF. WE ARE FORECASTING A RATE INCREASE FOR NEXT YEAR. THIS IS THE FIRST RATE INCREASE WE'VE HAD SINCE PHYSICIAN KWAL CAL YEAR '20 FOR THE WATER SYSTEM. PRELIMINARILY WE ARE LOO A 13% RATE INCREASE. FOR PLANO BECAUSE YOU ARE REDUCING YOUR MINIMUMS DUE TO THE NEW CONTRACT METHODOLOGY, YOUR OVERALL COST INCREASE WOULD NOT BE AS SIGNIFICANT AS THE 13%. WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE LIKE A 10.2% INCREASE FOR PLANO. SECONDS SYSTEM I WANTED TO DISCUSSION IS THE REGIONAL WASTE WATER SYSTEM. THIS SYSTEM IS ON TARGET WITH ERE WE PJECT IT TO BE LAST YEAR WITH ABOUT A 7% INCREASE. I DO HAVE A NOTE ON THIS UPPER EAST FORK SYSTEM THAT WE ARE CONSIDERING USING CAPITALIZED INTEREST. JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE USE OF CAPITALIZED INTEREST IS KIND OF A LAST RESORT FOR THE DISTRICT, BUT WE HAVE INCLUDED IT IN OUR FORECAST TO HELP SMOOTH AND MAINTAIN A RATE INCREASE THAT'S MORE REASONABLE THAN USING A TRADITIONAL FINANCING METHOD. WE ARE BASICALLY ON TRACK WITH WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR IN OUR FORECAST FOR THE UPPER EAST FORK SYSTEM. FINALLY, OUR REGIONAL SOLID WASTE SYSTEM, THIS SYSTEM IS WELL SUPPORTED BY OTHER REVENUES FROM GAS -- THE SALE OF GAS THAT'S GENERATED AT THE LANDFILL AS WELL AS OTHER CUSTOMERS. IT DOES HELP US MAINTAIN THE RATE FOR THIS SYSTEM. WE'RE LOOKING AT A STABLE RATE FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT THREE YEARS ON THIS SYSTEM, SO THAT IS A D FOR A SECOND AND COME BACK TO YOUR QUESTIONS AS SOON AS WE OPEN THE REGULAR MEETING AND DO THE -- SOME INTRODUCTIONS AND THE PLEDGE. IF YOU DON'T MIND WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU. I NOW DECLARE THE PLANO CITY COUNCIL IS RECONVENED INTO OPEN SESSION. THAT ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. WE'LL BEGIN TONIGHT'S REGULAR MEETING WITH THE INVOCATION LED BY DR. TRACY DAVENPORT, SENIOR PASTOR AT GRACE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND THE TEXAS PLEDGE LED BY THE GIRL SCOUT TROOP 8968 ISLAMIC ASSOCIATION OF COLLIN COUNTY. WOULD YOU PLEASE RISE. >> LET US PRAY. ALL MIGHTY AND LOVING GOD, THIS BODY OF LEADER ASK FOR YOUR HELP IN CARRYING OUT THE CHARGE FOR THE PEOPLE THEY SERVE. I ASK THAT YOU GIVE THEM WISDOM TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS, COURAGE TO MAKE HARD DECISIONS, RIGHTEOUSNESS TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS, COMPASSION TO MAKE HELPFUL DECISIONS, AND FAITH TO MAKE BIG AND HOPEFUL DECISIONS. GUIDE THEIR CONVERSATIONS, ACTIONS, AND VOTES TO BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR WILL FOR PLANO AND FOR THE WORLD. WE ASK IN CONFIDENCE, OH GOD, BECAUSE YOU ARE OUR PEACE IN A WORLD OF CHAOS. IN A WORLD OF EVIL OF EVERY KIND, YOU ARE OUR PROTECTION. IN A WORLD OF OPPRESSION, YOU ARE JUSTICE. IN A WORLD OF VIOLENCE, YOU ARE LOVE. IN A WORLD OF DARKNESS, YOU ARE OUR LIGHT. YOU ARE A VERY PRESENT HELP TO US ALL. [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] TONIGHT WE HAVE THE PLEASURE OF READING A PROCLAMATION AND PRESENTING A PROCLAMATION FOR THIS WEEKEND, JUNE 19th, WHICH IS JUNE TEENTH DAY AND THE CITY OF PLANO COMMEMORATING THE END HAVE SLAVERY IN THE UNITED STATES. THERE ARE A LOT OF ACTIVITIES THAT WILL HAPPEN SATURDAY AND SUNDAY JUNE 19 IT'S. WE TODAY HAD THE PLEASURE OF READING THE PROCLAMATION PRESENTING THAT TO THE DOUGLAS COMMUNITY. WH 1ST, 1869 PREN FORWARD SHALL BE FREE. JUBILEE DAY, EMANCIPATION DAY, IS A HOLIDAY THAT CELEBRATES THE EMANCIPATION OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN ENSLAVED IN OUR NATION. WHEREAS ADVERSITY HELPED, WE HAVE STRONG BONDS AMONG MEMBERS OF THE DOUGLAS COMMUNITY AND A STRONG SENSE OF COMMUNITY WAS PASSED ON TO THEIR DESCENDANTS. THEIR LEGACY WOULD BE ONE OF LOVING ONE ANOTHER BY CARING FOR ONE ANOTHER. THEY GENEROUSLY SHARED WHAT THEY HAD IN THE WAY THAT MADE EVERYONE FEEL CONNECTED AND PART OF SOMETHING BIGGER THAN THEMSELVES, AND WHEREAS DIRECT DESCENDANTS OF ANDY DRAKE, MOSES SIMPLE SON, CONTINUE TO EMBRACE THEIR HERITAGE BY MEMORIALIZING PASTA CHOOECHLTS BY THE RESOLVE TO INSPIRE OTHERS IN THEIR MISSION TO EDUCATE ALL THE PLANO, COLN COUNTY, AND THE ENTIRE DFW METROPLEX AND KNOWING JUNETEENTH IS THE CELEBRATION OF FREEDOM. NOW, THEREFORE, I JOHN B.MUNS, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF PLANO, TEXAS, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM SUNDAY, JUNE 19 IT'S, 2022, IS JUNETEENTH DAY IN PLANO AND THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND I DO THEREBY ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO JOIN ME IN HONORING THE MANY CONTRIBUTIONS OF THE DOUGLAS COMMUNITY AND THE CITY OF EXCELLENCE AS WE LOOK TO CELEBRATE THE BLESSING OF FREEDOM THIS DAY AND EVERY DAY. CONGRATULATIONS. [APPLAUSE] >> AGO REGARDING THEDISTRICT. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I DO HAVE A COUPLE RELATING TO THE FINANCIAL ISSUES AND CHEMICAL COSTS THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING. I UNDERSTOOD FROM YOUR PRESENTATION AND I KNOW WE'VE RECEIVED INFORMATION PREVIOUSLY ABOUT CHEMICALS PROVIDERS BEING UNABLE TO HOLD THEIR CHEMICAL COSTS. I WANTED TO INQUIRE IF THOSE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE CONTRACTS ARE EXPIRING, AND THEY'RE SAYING THE NEXT CONTRACT IS GOING TO BE A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE OR IF THEY'RE SAYING WE CAN'T HONOR THIS CONTRACT. I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE CONSIDERATIONS. ONE OPTION IS THE CONTRACT WOULD BE TO FILE A LAWSUIT, BUT THEN I SUPPOSE THEY MIGHT BE -- I KNOW THIS IS PART OF THE WATER DISTRICT'S THOUGHT PROCESS. THEY MIGHT BE LESS LIKELY TO CONTINUE DOING BUSINESS IN THE FUTURE WITH THE WATER DISTRICT. GIVEN THAT, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS OR THE WATER DISTRICT'S THOUGHTS ON HOW TO APPROACH A SITUATION WHEN THERE'S A CONTRACT THAT SHOULD BE HOLDING A PRICE AT A CERTAIN LEVEL, BUT THE OTHER PARTY TO THAT CONTRACT SAYS NO, WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO DO IT. WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CONTRACT SAYS, BUT WE WON'T DO IT. >> THAT IS THE EXACT SITUATION WE FACED, AND WE CONSIDER OUR OPTIONS. THERE IS VERY LIMITED NUMBER OF VENDORS IN THE CHEMICAL MARKET. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONSOLIDATION OV THEAST FEW YEARS, SO WE DON'T HAVE IN MANY CASES A SECOND OR THIRD GO-TO VENDOR, SO WE FELT LIKE IF WE DID NOT REBID AND WE HELD THEM TO THE PRICE THAT WHEN WE WERE UP IN OCTOBER FOR OUR NEXT GO-AROUND, THAT WE WOULD SEE AN EVEN HIGHER PRICE BECAUSE THEY WERE TRYING TO RECOUP THE LOSSES THEY NEED TO HAVE PREVIOUSLY IN THE OLD CONTRACT. WE FELT LIKE REBITTING WAS OUR BEST OPTI. I SEE. RAISING THEIR PRICES. I ASSUME IF CHEMICAL PRICES DROP, THEY WOULD NOT ACCEPT THE SAME FROM THE WATER DISTRICT. THAT THEY WULD SAY, WELL, THIS IS THE CONTRACT PRICE. YOU NEED TO KEEP PAYING IT. IT WOULD SEEM THAT ENTERING INTO LONG-TERM CONTRACTS MIGHT NOT BE IN THE WATER DISTRICT'S BEST INTEREST OR THE MEMBER CITY'S BEST INTEREST IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE IT WHEN THE CHEMICAL PROVIDERS SAY WE CAN'T HOLD THESE PRICES ANYMORE. MOVE THE OTHER WAY, THEY'LL PROBABLY TRY TO ENFORCE THE CONTRACT AGAINST THE WATER DISTRICT, AND, OBVIOUSLY, ALL OF THIS HAS AN IMPACT ON THE RATES THAT RESIDENTS OF MEMBER CITIES PAY. WE HAVED TIED THE PRICING TO THE CHEMICAL PRICE INDEX. AS WE SEE THE INDEX MOVE UP OR DOWN, WE WOULD EXPECT A PRICE INCREASE OR DECREASE ON THE CHEMICALS SO THAT WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE DOWN SIDE ON THE MARKET. WOULD YOU EXPECT THE VENDORS TO HONOR THOSE COMMITMENTS. >> WELL, THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT RESPONSE. ESSENTIALLY, GOING FORWARD THE DISTRICT IS LOOKING AT ALMOST LIKE VARIABLE RATE CONTRACTS. YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY LIKE AN ARM IN THE MORTGAGE CONTEXT. IF RATES GO UP, IT GOES UP. IF THEY GO DOWN, IT GOES DOWN. WE AT LEAST GET THE BENEFIT OF IF PRICES GO DOWN THERE'S A BENEFIT TO THE WATER DISTRICT THAT'S PASSED ALONG TO CONSUMERS IN THE FORM OF LOWER RATES. I THINK THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD SOLUTION MOVING FORWARD, SO ANK YOU FO YOU ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS. I APPRECIATE IT. >> THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN GRADY. >> QUESTION THAT I HAVE OR QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE ARE ON THE LONG-TERM OR LONG RANGE ON WATER SUPPLIES. AND RESOURCES. IF I READ THE CHART CORRECTLY, IT LOOKED LIKE IF WE'RE GOING TO END IN A SHORTAGE SITUATION IN THE YEAR 2027 AND I'M JUST TRYING TO REMEMBER THE CHART OF WHERE YOU SAID THERE WERE RESOURCES THAT WERE COMINGN VERS WHAT YOU FELT THATH, INCLU CORPS OF ENGINEERS AND REALLY EVERYBODY THAT TOUCHED THAT. WHAT IS THE CURRENT PLANNING RIGHT NOW FOR WHERE THOSE RESOURCES ARE GOING TO COME FROM. >> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. CORRECT, BY 2036 IS WHEN WE WOULD NEED THE NEXT ADDITIONAL RAW WATER SUPPLY. ONE THING TO CLARIFY ON THAT CHART, THAT IS WHAT WE CALL A DRY YEAR DEMAND. MANY WE HAVE NORMAL WEATHER, THAT WOULD EXTEND OUT. THE LAKE -- NEW SURFACE OR NEW RESERVOIRS IS ONE OF THE STRATEGIES. THOSE RAKE FROM LOOKING AT SOME AQUAFOR STORAGE AND RESERVOIR, REUSE, GROUND WATER. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE GROWING WASTE WATER TREATMENT PLANTS. WE REUSE THAT WATER, AND THAT IS INCLUDED AS A PART OF OUR SUPPLY FOR THE FUTURE. WE HAVE MANY DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF. OF THOSE STRATEGIES WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON THOSE. THE INTENT WOULD BE TO LAY THOSE OUT AND UNDERSTAND THE COSTS AND THE TIME TO IMPLEMENT. WE'RE MOVING OUT AT SEVERAL RIGHT NOW, AND THE PLAN WILL GIVE US ADDITIONAL OPTIONS THAT WE CAN LAY INTO OUR CAPITAL PROGRAM. YOU'RE RIGHT. IF WE WENT AFTER NEW RESERVOIR, IT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE 30 YEARS. THOE MAY BEPART OF THE PLANS, BUT CLEARLY FOR THE OUT YEAR DEMANDS. I THANK YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE THE PICTURE THAT I GET, OF COURSE, IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE UNITED STATES WHERE WE'RE SEEING SOME REALLY DROUGHT ISSUES, AND THAT DOESN'T PRECLUDE US FROM GETTING INTO A DRY PERIOD FAIRLY QUICKLY. THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD IS REALLY DEALING WITH THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE MOVING INTO THE AREA AND INTO YOUR SERVICE AREA IS IT LARGER THAN COLLIN COUNTY. >> IT'S ABOUT 2,200 SQUARE MILES. IT'S BIGGER THAN T DEPUTY MAYOR? >> I JUST HAVE ONE COMMENT, AND I WANTED TO THANK YOU. I HEARD IS MUSIC TO MY EARS WHEN YOU COORDINATED AND COLLABORATED WITH RESIDENTS WHEN YOU ARE BUILDING AND DEVELOPING NEW AREAS AND THAT RESIDENTS ARE ON BOARD. THAT'S WHAT WANT. WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER. THANK YOU. >> COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS? >> FORGIVE ME IF I MISSED THIS. IF I UNDERSTAND IT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE PRINCIPLE PROJECTSHAT COUNCILMAN GRADY RIGHTLY QUESTIONED IS THE RENT. FIRST, AM I CORRECT ON THAT? >> I DIDN'T HEAR YOU PROPERLY >> I THINK HE SAID THE RATES. >> CURRENTLY WE HAVE ABOUT 1.5 BILLION ALLOCATED IN THE CAPITAL PROGRAM OVER THE NEXT TEN YEARS. AS WE START TO DEVELOP THOSE RAW WATER SUPPLIES, WE ALREADY HAVE FUNDS IDENTIFIED TO USE AGAINST IT. THOSE ARE IN THE RATES THAT MS. CHIPPERFIELD SHOWED YOU. LOOKING AHEAD TO THAT LENGTH OF TIME WHEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THE NEW RAW WATER SUPPLIES ONLINE, UNDERSTANDING THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE -- LIKE YOU SAID, HOW MUCH OF THE CAPACITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED IS ALREADY FUNDED? ROUGHLY. >> CAPACITY, IT DEPENDS ON THE SPECIFIC PROJECT. AGAIN, WE HAVE 1.5 BILLION DEDICATED IN THE CAPITAL PROGRAM. WON'T KNOW -- ONCE WE DETERMINE AND MAKE A DEAL WITH A RAW WATER -- THE COST OF THAT, THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO PUT INTO THE PROGRAM. IT'S HARD TO UNDERSTAND -- IT'S HAVE TO KEEP DOING THIS. AT LEAST FOR ANOTHER 50. IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THE KIND OF CAPACITY WE'RE GOING TO NEED IN 2037, ROUGHLY HOW MUCH MIGHT THAT TAKE FINANCIALLY TO MAKE HAPPEN COMPARED TO THE -- WHAT WE HAVE ALLOCATED NOW, THE 1.5 BILLION ROUGHLY? >> I THINK IT WILL PROBABLY HELP US ACHIEVE ONE IF NOT MULTIPLE RAW WATER SOURCES, BUT, AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED OR CONFIRMED THOSE. >> OKAY. >> WITH EVERY -- I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. >> I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD, SIR. >> I'M TRYING TO GET A FEEL FOR HOW FAR THAT WILL GET US. UNDERSTANDING THAT EVERY RAW WATER SOURCE ISOING TO HAVE DIFFERENT CAPACITY, DIFFERENT SIZE, DIFFERENT CHALLENGES. I'M TRYING TO GET A FEEL FOR IF WE HAVE $1.5 BILLION ALLOCATED, IS THAT GOING TO GET US MOST OF THE WAY THERE, OR IS THAT A DROP IN THE BUCKET? NO PUN INTENDED. I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE PARTICULAR RAW WATER SOARINGS. I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR DEFINITIVE ANSWERS. I CAN'T REALLY PROVIDE YOU. WHAT I WILL SAY IS ALL THE CHEAP WATER IS GONE IN TEXAS. THERE IS A LOT OF EXCESS WATER IN THE EAST AND PART OF THE STRATEGY WOULD BE TO CONVEY SOME OF THE WATER BACK HERE. THOSE ARE PRETTY EXPENSIVE PIPELINES, BUT WE FEEL BY PUTTING THAT $1.5 BILLION IN THE CAPITAL PROGRAM WILL GIVE US A GOOD START. ONCE WE DO IDENTIFY A SPECIFIC RAW WATER SOURCE, WE'LL REFINE THOSE COSTS AND MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS IN THE CAPITAL PROGRAM. AS YOU SEE UP THERE, THE DEMAND IS ABOUT 8 NGD A DAY. LET'S SAY WE ACHIEVE 100 MILLION GALLON A DAY PROJECT, THAT SHOULD GET IT TO AT LEAST ANOTHER TEN YEARS, IF NOT LONGER. >> ON THE FINANCING SIDE, IF THE RATES, WHAT OTHER MECHANISMS DO WE HAVE AT OUR DISTRICT-WIDE? SORT OF PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW REGARDING PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS. >> THE BONDS ARE PAID BACK THROUGH THE WATER USE, RIGHT? >> YES. >> PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS WOULD BE AN OPTION, BUT HAVEN'T REALLY BEEN EXPLORED, IS THAT CORRECT? I'M SO >> I'M SORRY. YOU CUT OUT AT THE END. >> TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND, YOU SAID PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS WOULD BE AN OPTION, BUT WE HAVEN'T EXPLORED THAT. >> THAT'S RIGHT. EVERYTHING THAT IS BAKED INTO OUR PLAN IS FUNDED THROUGH THE ISSUANCE OF BONDS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> COUNCILMAN SHELBY, IF I COULD ADD. SOME OF THE WATER PROJECTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, IF THEY ARE IN THE STATE REGIONAL -- THE STATE WATER PLAN, THEN THEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR THE SWIFT, CHGS A STATE WATER INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING OF TEXAS. WE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THAT FOR THE RESERVOIR. IF THERE ARE OTHER RAW WATER SOERSZ, WE WOULD PURSUE THAT TYPE OF FUNDING FIRST. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, GUYS, SO MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION WE'RE BIG USERS, BUT WOULD WE'LL CONSERVE AS BEST WE KNOW HOW. WE'LL KEEP TALKING IT UP THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DISTRICT. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE PRESENTATION. >> THANK YOU, AGAIN, FOR YOUR TIME >> THE NEXT ITEM IS NEW BUSINESS. DISCUSSION ABOUT VOLUNTEERING PROGRAM CHANGES. COUNCIL MEMBERS WILLIAMS? >> I WAS THE OTHER COUNCILMEMBER THAT PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA. I WAS JUST GOING TO SUGGEST GIVEN THAT WE'RE PAST 7:00 THAT WE PUSH THIS OFF TO THE NEXT W LIKE TO PULL? >> MR. MAYOR, I'LL BE RECUSING MYSELF FROM ITEM V. V AS IN VOLKSWAGEN. >> VICTOR. >> SOMETHING THAT STARTS WITH V. >> THANK YOU. >> YES, AND I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEM O AS WELL. >> O? >> YES. >> OKAY. GO GOTCHA. ANY ITEMS FOR FUTURE AGENDAS? OKAY. WE WILL MOVE TO COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST. >> COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST. THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO AOW UP TO THREE MINUTES PER SPEAKER WITH 30 TOTAL MINUTES ON ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. THE COUNCIL MAY NOT DISCUSS THESE ITEMS, BUT MAY RESPOND WITH FACTUAL OR POLICY INFORMATION. THE COUNCIL MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA AND JUST AS A REMINDER, PLEASE DO NOT TOUCH OR YELL INTO THE MICROPHONE. WE HAVE SEVEN SPEAKERS THIS EVENING. THE FIRST ONE IS RANGIT JACOB. >> MY NAME IS RANGIT JACOB, AND I'M A HOMEOWNER AND A RESIDENT OF PLANO SINCE 2013. I LIVE IN THE BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD OF GLEN MEADOWS IN WEST PLANO WITH MY WIFE AND THREE KIDS, AGE 10, 6, AND 3. A FEW MONTHS BACK THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO ME WAS PURCHASED BY AN INVESTOR WHO LATER TURNED IT INTO A SHORT-TERM RENTAL. SINCE THEN THOSE LIVING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS CHANGED DRASTICALLY FOR THE WORSE. WE NOW WAKE UP TO STRANGERS WHO COME AND LARGE GROUPS OF 10 TOS. ESPECIALLY DURING WEEKENDS WHEN RANDOM STRANGERS SHOW UP TO PARTY. SOMETIMES STAYING UP ALL NIGHT WITH MANY PEOPLE COMING AND GOING THROUGH THE NIGHT INTO EARLY EARLY MORNING. MY KIDS ARE NO LONGER SAFE TO PLAY OUTSIDE THE HOUSE, AND NEITHER CAN THEY SLEEP PEACEFULLY AT NIGHT. OF ALL THE NINE YEARS I'VE LIVED IN THIS BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY, AND NOW I HAVE TO CALL THE POLICE, BUT THIS HAS CHANGED SINCE THE AIRBNB CAME INTO EXISTENCE. THE PAST FEW WEEKS I HAD TO CALL THE POLICE MULTIPLE TIMES TO REPORT NOISE DISTURBANCES AND TO GET ASSISTANCE FROM THE POLICE. ON MAY 20th A DRUNKEN FIGHT BROKE OUTSIDE RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY LAWN AT 2:00 A.M. IN THE MORNING BETWEEN FEW GUESTS WHO STAYED AT THE AIRBNB NEXT DOOR. WE HAVE NO IDEA IF ANY OF THESE PEOPLE THAT COME INTO THE AIRBNB ARE CHILD MOLESTERS OR SEX OFFENDERS. AS PARENTS, THIS CONCERNS US VERY MUCH. MY SON, IF YOU COULD JUST STAND UP, IS SCARED TO SLEEP BY HIMSELF IN HIS OWN ROOM IN HIS OWN HOUSE BECAUSE IT FACES THE AIRBNB. THERE ARE PEOPLE HOOTING AND YELLING LATE INTO THE NIGHT SCARING HIM AWAKE FROM HIS SLEEP. THIS NEEDS TO STOP, BUT IT DOESN'T. NOW, IF YOU THOUGHT NIGHTS WERE BAD, DAYTIME ISN'T ANY BETTER. WE CANNOT PEACEFULLY SEND OUR KIDS INTO O OWN BACKYARD TO PLAY DURING THE DAY AS THERE IS A BASKETBALL HOOP IN THE AIRBNB PROPERTY THAT BUMPS RIGHT AGAINST OUR PROPERTY LINE. AS THE AIRBNB GUEST STARTS TO PLAY, ALL WE HEAR IS SWEARING AND CURSING AND THIS CONTINUES FOR HOURS AT A TIME. OUR ONCE QUIET AND PEACEFUL NEIGHBORHOOD HAS SHATTERED SINCE THE AIRBNB CAME UP. >> 20 SECONDS. >> AND THE THOUGHT OF HAVING IT QUIET AND PEACEFUL BARBECUE TIME WITH THE FAMILY IS GONE. OUR KIDS ARE CAPTIVE IN THEIR OWN HOME. PLEASE HELP ME HELP MY FAMILY AND TH MANY NEIGHBORS WHO SUFFER LIKE ME BY PUTTING A STOP TO SHORTENED FROM OPERATING IN OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU FOR LIKIRAKOV. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS STEVEN KIRAKOS, AND I'M AN 18-YEAR RESIDENT OF PLANO, AND I'M HERE FOR TWO REASONS. FIRST, THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THE REVIEW OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS ON YOUR AGENDA. I BELIEVE THIS ACTION IS IMPERATIVE IN SHAPING PLANO'S FUTURE. SECOND, I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT SOME FACTS TO CONSIDER WHEN DISCUSSING SHORT-TERM RENTALS. I FIND IT VERY COMPELLING HAVING WORKED 22 YEARS IN THE FIELD OF DATA SCIENCE AND ANALYTICSITH COMPANIES LIKE MAKESEN, TRAVELOCITY, AND NEIMAN MARCUS AND NORTH TEXAS TOLLWAY AUTHORITY HERE. LET'S LOOK AT SOME NUMBERS. RENTAL GROWTH. IN 2019 THERE WERE 444 ACTIVE RENTALS IN PLANO. TODAY THERE ARE 872. 96% INCREASE IN THREE YEARS. ACTIVE LISTINGS SEGMENTS THE DATA ACROSS THE TYPE OF RENKTS. ENTIRE HOME RENTALS IS THE TOP CATEGORY GROWING FROM 221 UNITS IN 2019 TO 631 TODAY. THE 186% INCREASE. INVESTMENT ON RENTING ENTIRE HOMES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS INSTEAD OF SHARED ROOMS OR PRIVATE ROOMS. HISTORICAL MARKET REVENUES ARE LESS SYMMETRIC. ENTIRE HOMES AND NEIGHBORHOODS IS THE HIGHEST GROWTH CATEGORY EARNING $514.977 MONTHLY IN 2019. THIS NUMBER HAS BALLOONED TO 1,742,651 TODAY. A 238% INCREASE IN THREE YEARS. REMEMBER, THIS IS 1.7 MILLION DOLLARS MONTHLY. IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR ENTIRE HOMES WERE EARNI $800,000 MONTHLY. MARKET REVENUE FOR ENTIRE HOME RENTALS HAS INCREASED $1 MILLION IN THREE MONTHS IN THIS YEAR ALONE. WHAT DO ALL THESE NUMBERS TELL US? PLANO IS A HUGELY ATTRACTIVE MARKET. PLANO HOMES ARE CLEARLY THE LEADER IN IT IS MARKET. GROWING ACTIVE LISTINGS, NEIGH. ACROSS THE NATION THE SURGE IN POPULARITY OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS HAS LED TO A DECREASE IN HOUSING AFFORDABILITY. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP, AND THUGT THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE ON YOUR ANDA AS T DATA SHOWS WE ARE AT A TIPPING POINT. WE ARE HAPPY YOU'RE TAKING ACTION, AND WE ARE HAPPY YOU ARE OUR NEIGHBORS. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> CINDY PATEO. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS CINDY. MY HUSBAND GREG AND I ALSO LIV ID WHICH IS NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF THE TOLLWAY AND THE TURNPIKE. WHEN MY HOME WAS BUILT, THAT INTERSECTION DIDN'T EXIST. THE NORTHBOUND TOLLWAY ENDED AT FRANKFURT ROAD, AND THE TURNPIKE CAME LATER. THAT'S HOW LONG I'VE BEEN IN PLANO, AND HOW LONG I'VE BEEN IN HOME. THIS SEPTEMBER WILL 29 YEARS AND COUNTING. AS A PLANO LIFER, I'M HERE TODAY TO EXPRESS MY SINCERE THANKS TO THE COUNCIL FOR TAKING UP THE ISSUE OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS THEY HAVE WHEN OPERATING IN SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS ISSUE IS IMPORTANT TO ME GENERALLY AS A PLANO RESIDENT AND PERSONALLY BECAUSE THERE'S A SHORT-TERM RENTAL HOUSE DIRECTLY BEHIND MINE. IT'S A FIVE-BEDROOM, FOUR-BATHROOM HOUSE WITH A SWIMMING POOL THAT'S ADVERTISED ONLINE AS SLEEPING 16 GUESTS. CONSIDER THAT FOR A MOMENT. RIGHT NOW 16 PEOPLE CAN ROLL INTO MY NEIGHRHOO IN FOUR, EIGHT, OR MORE VEHICLES TO STAY IN WHAT IS BASICALLY A SMALL RESORT OPERATING JUST A FEW YARDS IN ANY DIRECTION FROM THE NEAREST NEIGHBOR. THE USE OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AS POP-UP HOTELS AND THE RESULTING DISRUPTION TO RESIDENTS IS UNACCEPTABLE. THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE SAFETY, SECURITY, AND ALL THE JOYS AND BENEFITS OF A FULL-TIME NEIGHBOR IS DISAPPOINTING. THERE'S MORE. THAT'S THE SENSE OF TREPIDATION THAT A COMPANY IS LIVING IN A HOME WITH A SHORT-TERM RENTAL NEARBY. WHEN I HEAR RENTERS ARRIVE, I WONDER, WHAT IMPACT WILL THEY HAVE? HOW MUCH NOISE WILL THEY MAKE?L WE NEVER COULD HAVE IMAGED LIVING UNDER THESE CONDITIONS ALMOST 30 YEARS LATER. THIS IS NOT THE PLANO WE'VE COME TO KNOW AND LOVE. PLEASE END THE UNLAWFUL OPERATION OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND RESTORE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE PEACEFUL PLACE THAT IT WAS FOR SO MANY WONDERFUL YEARS. AGAIN, I'M GRATEFL FOR THE COUNCIL'S ATTENTION TO THIS CRITICAL ISSUE AND LOOK FORWARD TO YOU TAKING BOLD ACTION TO PROTECT THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND OTHERS ACROSS PLANO. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> BILL FRANCE. >> MAYOR MUNS, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BILL FRANCE, AND IMAUTO HERE, AGAIN, TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE PLANO, TEXAS, NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION. WE ARE A GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS WI ONE CLEAR GOAL. TO INSURE THE SAFETY AND CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY BY PROHIBITING SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN OUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE EVERYONE HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE CAUSE TO PLEASE STAND. TONIGHT YOU HAVE HEARD FROM SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS. THEY MOVED TO PLANO FOR ALL THAT OUR CITY HAS TO OFFER. SAFE, FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOODS. GOOD SCHOOLS. GREAT FRAN STRUCTURE AND A GREAT GOVEMENT. IT'S A PERFECT PLACE TO RAISE A FAMILY. HOMES IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, INCLUDING THE ONE BEHIND ME, ARE NOW BEING TAKEN OVER BY CORPORATIONS. CORPORATIONS FOUNDED FOR ONE PURPOSE. THAT PURPOSE IS TO OPERATE A COMMERCIAL LODGING BUSINESS. THEY DIDN'T BUY THESE HOMES FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE SCHOOLS OR THELONG-TERM RENTERS. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTERS. SHORT-TERM RENTERS ARE NOT RESIDENTS. THEY DO NOT VOTE. THEY DO NOT RECEIVE MAIL OR SEND THEIR KIDS TO OUR SCHOOLS. SHORT-TERM RENTERS ARE HERE FOR THE WEEKEND. THEY PARTY AND CREATE DISTURBANCES THAT ARE UNWELCOME IN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD. THEY OPENLY AND BLATANTLY DIEGARDUR LAWS. THEYISRU THE PEACE, PRIVACY, AND SECURITY OF OUR RESIDENTS. OUR CITY CONSCIOUSLY DECIDED TO ENACT AN ORDINANCE THAT PROHIBITS THE EXISTENCE OF HOTELS IN OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. WE DON'T ALLOW LIQUOR STORES OR TATTOO PARLORS IN OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, SO WHY ARE WE ALLOWING SHORT-TERM RENTALS? AS WE HEARD TONIGHT, THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR YEARS, AND IT IS ONLY GETTING WORSE. WE HAVE REACHED A TIPPING POINT. IT IS TIME TO STOP KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. IT IS NOW TIME TO ACT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR EFFORTS TO RID US OF THIS HARMFUL NUISANCE. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS JESSICA BLACK WHO WILL BE JOINING US VIA ZOOM. >> MY NAME IS JESSICA BLACK, AND I'M FROM ARLINGTON, TEXAS. I'M SPEAKING TONIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE TEXAS NEIGHBORHOOD COALITION. AT THE REQUEST HOTELS, WHOSE BUL RELIES ON BRINGING A CONSTANT PARADE OF STRANGERS INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD MAKES FORMING AN EFFECTIVE CRIME WATCH VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE. STUDIES HAVE LINKED INCREASE NUMBER OFS STRs TO INCREASES IN VIOLENT CRIME, AND THIS IS LOSS OF COMMUNITY COHESION. STUDIES HAVE ALSO FOUND THAT MUNICIPAL POLICIES THAT REDUCE THE NUMBER OF STR LISTINGS AND PREVENT COMMERCIAL STR OPERATORS FROM LISTING MULTIPLE PROPERTIES REDUCE THE OVERALL CRIME RATE. STRs ALSO FREQUENTLY TURN INTO PARTY HOUSES. NOT ONLY ARE THOSE PARTIES A NUISANCE TO NEIGHBORS, BUT THEY ALSO END IN VIOLENCE. SINCE MAY OF 2019247 CONFIRMED REPORTS OF SHOOTINGS AT SHORT-TERM RENTALS, INCLUDING AN INCIDENT IN NOVEMBER OF 2019 IN PLANO WHERE A TEEN BOY WAS SHOT AND KILLED AT AN STR PARTY HOUSE. BY DISPLACING FAMILIES WITH SCHOOL AGE CHILEN, STRs CAN ALSO LEAD TO LOWER SCHOOL ENROLLMENTS AND LESS STATE FUNDING FOR LOCAL ISDs. TEXAS LAW PROHIBITS LOCAL TAX FROM BEING USED TO ADDRESS ANY OF THESE NEGATIVE EXTURNALITIES. ANY COST FOR POLICE, CODE COMPLIANCE, MUNICIPAL COURTS, OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING INITIATIVES DEALING WITH THE NEGATIVE EXTERNALITIES MUST COME FROM THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND. IT'S LONG BEEN KNOWN TO RAISE A FAMILY BECAUSE OF THE SAFE STABLE NEIGHBORHOODS AND ITS EXCELLENT SCHOOLS. IF THIS COUNCIL DESIRES FOR PLANO TO CONTINUE TO BE KNOWN FOR THOSE THINGS, IT MUST ACT TO PREVENT THE COMMERCIALIZATION OF ITS RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS BY THE STR INDUSTRY. >> THANK YOU. >> IS DEE ESCARI. >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. OPPOR CORPORATIONS I WORK WITH TO RELOCATE ALSO WITH ALL ASSISTANCE I GET, BUT I CHOOSE PLANO FOR TWO GOOD REASONS. QUALITY LIFE, EDUCATION. I HAVE TWO CHILDREN. I'M FORTUNATE ENOUGH AND PROUD ENOUGH TO SAY MY DAUGHTER GREW UPN PLANO, GOT HER DOCTOR OF EDUCATION LAST YEAR. MY SON IS IN BUSINESS. I'M PROUD OF HIM. SINCE A YEAR AGO OR SO I'M LIVING AT 1713 -- THE NEXT DOOR TO ME 1717 THE HOUSE ACTIVITY -- THEY ARE GETTING TO KNOW THAT HOUSE EVIDENTLY BECE AS A RESIDENTIAL OR SENIOR CENTER OR REHAB CENTER. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON. ALL I KNOW THE AMBULANCE IS COMING AND GOING. PEOPLE COMING IS GOING. THEY HAD ONE GATE ON THE BACK, BUN U ONE DOOR IN FRONT. NO ONE KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON. MY WIFE HAS ALLERGIES, AND SHE HAS TO GO EVERY WEEK TO TAKE ALLERGY SHOT. SHE ALSO HAD A HEART PROBLEM. SHE CANNOT TAKE ANY STAIRS. WHEN WE MOVE IN THIS -- WHEN WE HAD THIS HOUSE 42 YEARS AGO WE THOUGHT THAT'S OUR HOME. WE DID NOT KNOW WE HAVE TO BE FORCING TO GO GET OUT OF THIS HOUSE. WE CAN'T AFFORD. IF ARE YOU BUYING MY HOUSE, I CAN'T SELL IT. I CAN'T FIND A PLACE. I NEED HELP. I'VE BEEN LOYAL TO YOU FOR 42 YEARS IN THIS CITY. COLLIN COUNTY SINCE 1976. IT PROVES WHO I AM. IT PROVES WHO ARE MY FAMILY. I NEED SUPPORT FROM YOU. I'M NOT SAYING DO FAVOR TO ME. JU BE FAIR TO ME. WHERE DID THESE PEOPLE CE FROM? HOW DID THEY GET THE MONEY?T? I I WANT TO TALK TO HIM. >> 20 SECONDS. WE'RE GETTING TO KNOW HE IS THE NEW INVESTOR. I CALL POLICE DEPARTMENT THREE TIMES IN ONE DAY. OF THAT THE POLICE SAID IF FOURTH TIME COME HERE, CALL AGAIN. LUCKY ENOUGH FOR HIM OR ME, HE NEVER SHOWED UP AGAIN. THAT'S THE SITUATION WE ARE. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] WE WILL BE BRINGING THE ITEM OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS AS AN ACTION ITEM IN THE NEXT -- THE VERY NEAR FUTURE. I WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT THOSE ITEMS WILL BE DEALT IN WITH THE COUNCIL IN THE NEAR FUTURE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [APPLAUSE] >> WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, WHAT ABOUT THOSE AFTER CARE OR CITY CARE OR REHAB CARE? >> WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT. WE'LL LET YOU KNOW. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> I APPRECIATE IT. >> OUR LAST SPEAKER IS JAMES LOCK LOCKRIDGE. >> CITY COUNCIL, THANK YOU ALL. JULIE, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR MEETING WITH ME FINALLY. IT SLAWS. NOW, IT IS SOMETHING THAT IS A HOT TOPIC IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AND IN THE CAPITOL, AND GUYS, I HAVE ASKED AND ASKED AND ASKED FOR YOU ALL TO COME TOGETHER, SIT DOWN WITH ME, AND LET'S TRY TO COME TO A REASONABLE SOLUTION. MR. MUNS, YOU JUST SAID TO THESE PEOPLE RIGHT HERE, IN THE NEWER FUTURE. WELL, OUR NEAR FUTURE FOR FARMERS AND RANCHERS IS FADING AWAY VERY, VERY FAST. THE NEAR FUTURE IS WHAT DATE? WHEN? HOW QUICK? WE HAVE NOT MADE ANY PROGRESS IN FOUR YEARS. FOR FOUR YEARS IHOUG THE CITY OF PLANO WHERE THEY KEEP ADDING MORE AND MORE RESTRICTIONS ON FARMERS AND RANCHERS. ENOUGH HAS TO STOP RIGHT HERE. THIS WENT OUT ON -- THE STATE CAPITOL WHERE PLANO IS ANNOUNCED ON THEIR OVERREACHING GOVERNMENT AND THEIR 250 FOOT SETBACK. GUYS, IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME THIS ROOM IS FULL OF PEOPLE. IT LOOKS LIKE Y'ALL HAVE BIGGER FISH TO FRY THAN A FARMER Y'ALL ARE OVER HERE PICKING ON FARMERS AND RANCHERS THAT JUST HAVE A CROP AND TRYING TO MAKE AN HONEST LIVING, SO I'M ASKING AGAIN, TONIGHT, TO MEET WITH ME, LIKE JULIE DID. 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WILL RECUSE HIMSELF FROM ITEM D, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PULL THAT AS WELL, SO WE'LL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. OKAY? >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> SECOND THE MOTION. >> Mayor Muns: MOTION TO APPROVE -- >> THE CONSENT AGENDA EXCEPT FOR -- >> Mayor Muns: THE CONSENT AGEN F O AND V. V AS IN VICTOR. COUNCILMEMBER SMITH AND HOLMER, ARE Y'ALL READY TO VOTE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? IT'S ALL RIGHT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL GOOD. ALL RIGHT. PLEASE VOTE. HOW DO YOU VOTE? COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS? >> Williams: YES. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. MOTION PASSES 8-0. SORRY. ALL RIGHT. I KNOW, I'M STRUGGLING. ITEM 0, ITEM 0 -- >> TO APPROVE AN EXPENDITURE FOR THE MANAGEMENT SERVICES AT THE PECAN HOLLOW GOLF COURSE FOR A FOUR YEAR CONTRACT WITH TWO FOUR YSH YEAR AUTOMATIC RENEWALS FROM PLANO GOLF COURSE, INC. DOING BUSINESS AS PECAN HOLLOW GOLF AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS. >> GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. MANAGER ISRAELSON AND ATTORNEY MIMS, GOOD EVENING UNCIL, I LIVE AT 15thE AUTOMATIC EXTENSIONS. I DON'T -- IF I TAKE AUTOMATIC EXTENSION AT ITS LANGUAGE, I THINK THAT MEANS AUTOMATIC, WHICH I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULDN'T DO A 12 YEAR CONTRACT. EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT I DON'T THINK MAYBE THAT THAT'S WISE. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY IS EXEMPT FROM THE COMPETITIVE BID PROCESS ON THIS PURCHASE AS STATED IN THE AGENDA, BUT JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS ALLOWED DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I THINK AFTER 27 YEARS, COMPITIV STANDPOINT WOULDA BE A GOOD IDEA. ADDITIONALLY, THIS CLOSES THE GOLF COURSE TWO DAYS AT THANKSGIVING AND CHRISTMAS, THAT SEEMED REALLY REASONABLE UNLESS YOU'RE STUCK IN THE HOUSE WITH A BUNCH OF FAMILY AND WANT TO GO PLAY GOLF, OKAY? IF YOU COME DOWN TO THE SECOND -- DOWN TO THE MIDDLE OF THE SECOND PAGE ON THIS, IT SAYS THAT TERMS WITHIN THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT ALIGN WITH OTHER SUCH RELATIONSHIPS IN THE REGION. I'M GOING TO SKIP THE FIRST AND GO TO THE LAST TWO, THEN IT SAYS THE COURSES AT WATER CREEK, THE COURSES MANAGED BY THE CIT OF ALLEN EMPLOYEES, SO THAT IS NOT LIKE THIS CONTRACT, SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY USED IT TO SUPPORT WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR HERE. THE NEXT ONE, FIRE WHEEL IN GARLAND, IT SAYS THAT THE COURSE ADMINISTRATOR IS ALSO A CITY EMPLOYEE. THERE'S NO DETAILS OF THAT CONTRACT, BUT HAVING IT BEING RUN BY CITY EMPLOYEE LOOKS LIKE IT'S DIFFERENT AS WELL. AT THE TOP ONE IT SAYS SHERYL PARK GOLF COURSE, GOLF PRO UNDER THREE YEAR CONTRACT FOR THREE YEAR RENEWALS, THE THREE YEARS AND THREE YEAR RENEWAL IS CLOSE, THE TERMS OF OUR DEAL IS THE CITY GETS YOU ALL OF THE GREEN FEES, AND WE GET 5% OF THE OTHER R REVENUE, AND THAT IS OUTLINED AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS THING. OKAY? IF YOU LOOK AT THIS CITY OF WITH US, THE CONTRACT PROFESSIONAL SHALL BE ENTITLED TO RETAIN 95% OF THE GROSS RECEIPTS FROM GOLF LESSONS, 100% OF THE REVENUE -- FORGET THAT ONE. PROFESSIONAL SHALL REMIT 70% -- MAY I FINISH? OKAY. THE GOLF PROFESSIONAL SHALL REMIT 70% OF THE GROSS RECEIPTS FROM THE GOLF CART RENTALS, WE'RE GETTING 5%, CITY OF RICHARDSON IS GETTING 70%. THE PROFESSIONAL SHALL REMIT 20% OF THE GROSS RECEIPTS FROM THE DRIVING RANGE, WE'RE GETTING 5, THEY'RE GETTING 20. THE PROFESSIONAL SHALL REMIT 10% OF THE SALE OF THE PRO SHOP MERCHANDISE, AGAIN, WE'RE GETTING 5, THEY'RE GETTING 20. 10% OF THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE. >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. ALL RIGHT, I GET YOUR POINT. >> YEAH, SO IT'S -- SO TO SAY THAT OUR DEAL IS LIKE SHERRILL PARK'S DEAL IS JUST NOT TRUE. THERE'S SOME VAST DIFFERENCES, SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO EXTEND THIS GUY'S CONTRACT A LILE B, BUT THEN LOOK AT IT FROM A COMPETITIVE STANDPOINT. THIS WAS ACTUALLY A NEWS STORY IN '12, IT WAS AN EVENING NEWS STORY, BECAUSE SOME CITIZENS GOT UPSET, AND THEN THERE'S A CAP IN THE CITY OF RICHARDSON AT $250,000 THAT THE GOLF PROFESSIONAL IS ALLOWED TO MAKE. I THINK IT'S A BIG AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR 27 YEARS. WE'RE LOOKING AT EXTENDING IT 12 MORE, I THINK WE LOOK AT IT FROM A COMPETITIVE STANDPOINT AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: THANKS, MR. LYLE. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER, MAYOR, MY NAME IS SUSIE HERGENRAIDER, I'M THE RECREATION SERVICES MANAGER FOR PLANO PARKS AND RECREATION, PECAN HOLLOW GOLF COURSE IS UNDER MY RESPONSIBILITY, SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE REGARDING THE APPROVAL OF THIS AGENDA ITEM, I HAD THE SAME CONCERNS THAT M LYLE HAD, BECAUSE I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO BE GETTING A GOOD DEAL AS A CITY. IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAXIMIZE NONTAX REVENUE STREAMS TO TAKE PRESSURE OFF OF TAXATION. AND ALSO JUST TO GET A FAIR DEAL. I MEAN, THE CITY IS DOING, YOU KNOW, PROVIDES THE LAND AND IS ALSO DOING THE MAINTENANCE WHEREAS MR. HIDALBERG'S GROUP IS OPERATING THE GOLF COURSE, SO, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE'RE PARTNERING IN THAT, WE NEED TO BE PARTNERING ON THE REVENUES THAT WE RECEIVE AS WELL. BASED ON WHAT I FOUND OUT, WHICH HAD NOT BEENISCUSSED AT THE TE THE PACKAGE CAME OUT, IT'S NOT REFLECTED IN THE PACKET, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE -- THE CITY AND I GUESS I'LL JUST QUICK, MARK, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE E-MAIL I CANNOT SHARE? >> NO, COUNCILMEMBER, BUT I WOULD SHARE THAT WITH A PERSONAL INFORMATION JUST BE SENSITIVE. .>> Ricciardelli: WILL DO. THANK YOU, MARK. SO -- SO, BUT THE NUMBERS ARE OKAY TO SHARE? OKAY. JUST MAKING SURE. NEVER WANT TO VIOLATE ANY LAWS OR PRIVACY RESTRICTIONS OR ANYTHING, SO I ALWAYS CHECK. IF WE LOOK AT 2021, I WAS SURPRISED TO FIND OUT THAT MR. HIDALBERG'S REPORTED EXPENSES TOTALED 1,$786,413, WITH TOTAL INCOME OF I GUESS AFTER SOME DEDUCTIONS OF 1,559, 606 RESULTING IN A LOSS OF $226,807, LOOKING AT THE YEAR BEFORE IN 2020, REPORTED EXPENSES TOTALED 1,501,990, WITH INCOME TOTALING 1,328,287 RESULTING IN A LS OF $173,703, GWE HAS BEEN ABOVE BREAK EVEN UNDER THIS ARRANGEMENT, AND, YOU KNOW, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE INFORMATION I RECEIVED TODAY IN THIS E-MAIL STATES THAT MR. HIDALBERG IS ACTUALLY LOSING MONEY THE LAST TWO YEARS ON THE OPERATION OF THE GOLF COURSE, SO, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THOSE FACTS, WHICH I WOULD HOPE WILL NOT BE THE WAY IT IS GOING FORWARD. I HOPE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GOOD DEAL FOR ALL INVOLVED, BUT I -- MY CONCERN WAS THAT THE CITY WAS NOT GETTING A FAIR SHARE OF THE PROFITS FROM THE OPERATION OF THE COURSE GIVEN WHAT WE'RE CONTRIBUTING, BUT GIVEN THAT WE HAVE BEEN COMING OUT AHEAD AND THE OPERATOR HAS NOT BEEN, I CAN'T SAY THAT WE ARE NOT GETTING A FAIR DEAL. YO KNOW, IT SEEMSHAT WE ARE, AND SO -- I'M -- YOU KNOW, I'M OKAY WITH THIS ARRANGEMENT, I MEAN, TO MR. LAW SMR. LYLE'S POINT, I WOE OKAY DOING THE FOUR YEARS AND LOOKING AT IT AGAIN, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE CITY MANAGER WOULD STILL HAVE THE OPTION IN FOUR YEARS NOT TO CONTINUE WITH IT, THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL, THE COUNCIL HAS GIVEN THE CITY MANAGER TO RENEW NOT THAT IT HAPPENS WITHOUT ANY ACTION ON THE PART OF THE CITY. IF I'M CORRECT. BUT I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALWAYS REEVALUATE EVERY FEW YEAR, AT LEAST FOR NOW IT CERTAINLY SEEO ME THAT WE'RE GETTING A MORE THAN FAIR DEAL SO -- >> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> Ricciardelli: I DON'T WANT TO -- >> I HAVE A QUESTION. >> Mayor Muns: GO AHEAD. >> SO I WANT TO KNOW WHY IS IT THAT BASED ON WHAT MR. LYLE SAYS THAT RICHARDSON IS ABLE TO PROVIDE SO MUCH MORE I GUESS REVENUE TO ITS CITY AND WE'RE DEALING WITH A SERVICE THAT IS LOSING MONEY IN OPERATING? SO WHERE -- WHERE IS THE -- WHERE IS THE DIFFERENCE. >> I CANNOT SPEAK TO THE REVENUE THAT THE CITY OF RICHARDSON IS MAKING. AND AS FAR AS THE MONEY THAT IS BEING REPORTED BEING LOST, I WOULD SAY THERE'S SOME YEARS THAT IS BREAK ARE ABLE TO STILL CONTRIBUTE TO THE GENERAL FUND, AND CARRY OVER A BALANCE FOR THOSE YEARS WHERE POOR WEATHER CAUSES FLOODING AND LESS REVENUE THAN -- THAN WE CAN COVER OUR EXPENSES FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THE COURSE. >> Tu: I GUESS I'M JUST -- WHAT I'M TRYING -- THERE'S SEVERAL QUESTIONS GOING THROH MYT WAS PRESENTED PREVIOUSLY IS TRUE, THEN SOMEBODY'S EITHER NOT DOING A GOOD SERVICE THAT THEREFORE IS CAUSING THIS COMPANY TO LOSE MONEY AND RICHARDSON'S ACTUALLY ABLE TO GET A SERVICE PERSON THAT IS WILLING TO PROVIDE MORE REVENUE TO THE CITY THAN OURS. THAT'S ONE OF THE POSSIBILITIES. NUMBER TWO, THAT PRIOR TO THE PANDEMIC, IT WAS MORE PROFITABLE FOR --OR THIS AGENCY OR THIS SERVICE COMPANY THAN RECENTLY. I'M JUST TRYING TO GET -- I'M TRYING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW -- I GUESS I'M TRYING TO GET SOME UNDERSTANDING -- >> SO DEPUTY MAYOR PRO TEM, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DR. HERGENRAIDER WAS EXPLAINING WAS WITH A CAPITAL INVESTMENT, THAT MAY VARY FROM YEAR-TO-YEAR. RICHARDSON MAY NOT HAVE PROVIDED THAT THIS YEAR, WHERE OUR GOLF PRO DID. THERE CAN B SE VARIATIONS IN THE OPERATION AND IN THE INVESTMENT. I THINK THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE WITH THAT IS GETTING THEM TO A DIRECT APPLES TO APPLES THROUGHOUT THE CONTRACT IS NOT QUITE THE WAY THAT WE COMPARE. WE COMPARE MORE ON A -- I GUESS A HIGHER LEVEL ASPECT OF THE SHARED REVENUES. I THINK MR. LYLE POINTED AT AREAS WHERE THERE IS SOME VARIATION AS COMPARED FROM OUR CONTRACT WITH BEING ABLE TO REVIEW THAT AT THAT TIME. BUT I DO HEAR THOSE DIFFERENCES AND I THINK THE CAPITAL EXPENDITURES ARE A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THAT. >> Tu: THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. >> Mayor Muns: GO AHEAD, PLEASE. >> I MEAN, I THINK THESE ARE GOOD POINTS TO BE BROUGHT UP. IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES, I DO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS WORKS WITH THEM TAKING THE LOSS, WHAT HAPPENED THE THREE YEARS BEFORE THAT, THE PANDEMIC OUR REVENUES WERE ACTUALLY UP QUITE A BIT AT THE GOLF COURSES, SO IT DOES SEEM LIKE IT WOULD BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE FIDUCIARY THING TO DO AFTER 27 YEARS. THIS IS THE FIRST -- I DIDN'T DIG INTO THIS DEEPLY, SO I DIDN'T KNOW THIS, BUT I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION TO COMPARE AND UNDERSTAND. I WILL SAY THAT PECAN HOLLOW IS VERY WELL RUN. IT'S AN EXCELLENT GOLF COURSE. I HAVE NO COMPLIANCE ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY, IT'S A GREAT GEM, BUT THE POINT HAS BEEN RAISED, WE HAVEN'T COMPARED IN 27 YEARS, THAT -- >> WE HAVE -- THE COMPARISON THAT WE'RE DOING, AGAIN, IT'S -- WE HAVEN'T -- WE DON'T HAVE IDENTICAL CONTRACTS TO WHAT RICHARDSON IS SAYING THAT -- I THINK THAT'S WHAT MR. LYLE IS POINTING OUT. I THINK THE COMPARISON THAT STAFF IS LOOKING AT IS MORE AT A HIGH LEVEL TO THE POINT OF IS A GOLF PRO ON CONTRACT RUNNING YOUR GOLF COURSE AS COMPARED TO A CITY STAFF PERSON RUNNING YOUR GOLF COURSE, I THINK THAT WAS ALSO POINTED OUT TO MR. LYLE, BUT I THINK GOING BACK TO EXACTLY YOUR POINT, WE HAVE A CONTRACT THAT HAS WORKED FOR MR. HEIDELBERG IN THE CITY FOR A NUMR OF YEARS, AND I THINK MR. HEIDELBERG IS LOOKING TO CONTINUE WITH THAT AGREEMENT VERSUS MAKING CHANGES. I UNDERSTAND THE PERSPECTIVE OF GOING BACK AND DIGGING INTO THAT, BUT ANY TIME WE BEGIN NEGOTIATIONS LIKE THAT, IT IS A -- I WILL JUST SAY, COUNCIL, IT'S A TWO WAY STREET, IT DOES BECOME A NEGOTI THAT OUR GREEN FEES, WE CLAR RATES A NUMBER OF PLACES, I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ACTUALLY INDEX OREEN VEHICLES, IS IT NOT. >> THAT'S CORRECT, OUR RATES ARE COMPARABLE TO OTHER PUBLIC COURSES, AND OUR -- OUR GOLF COURSE, WHEN THE WEATHER IS GOOD, IS PACKED! AND SO MR. HEIDELBERG IS RUNNING A VERY GOOD BUSINESS FOR US. I GET VERY COMPLAINTS IF ANY. IF WE DO GET A COMPLAINT, SOMETIMES IT'S ON THE MAINTENANCE SIDE, WHICH IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY. HE -- I MEET WITH HIM FREQUENTLY IN ORDER TO LOOK AT THIS CONTRACT, WE MET EXTENSIVELY AND DISCUSSED ALL THE ISSUES AND THE POINTS AND THAT'S HOW WE CAME TO THIS AGREEMENT. IT IS A FOUR YEAR CONTRACT THAT IS NOT AUTOMATICALLY RENEWED, HAS THE ABILITY TO BE RENEWED FOR ANOTHER FOUR YEARS, BUT WHEN THAT COMES UP IN FOUR YEARS, WE DEFINITELY TAKE A LOOK, WE SIT DOWN AND WE MAKE SURE THAT IT'S WORKING FOR BOTH SIDES. OUR REVENUE HAS COVERED OUR EXPENSES PLUS SOME, AND THE CONTRACT IS SET UP SO THAT MR. HEIDELBERG IS INCENTIVIZED TO RUN A VERY GOOD BUSINESS FOR US AND THE CITY OF PLANO. I THINK HE'S DONE A GREAT JOB AND THAT'S WHY I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE APPROVE THIS CONTRACT -- >> OKAY. >> CAN I SAY ONE THING? >> I JUST WANT TO SAY, THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER, RICCIARDELLI FOR DOING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AHEAD OF TIME, I MISSED THAT, AND IT SOUNDS LIKE MR. LYLE BROUGHT UP SOME GOOD CONCERNS. I'M GLAD TO KNOW YOU DUG INTO THEM A LITTLE BIT. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. >> Mayor Muns: COUNCILMEMBER SMITH. >> Smith : THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO WE HAVE A P.G.A. PROFESSIONAL THAT IS RUNNING OUR COURSE, IT'S PACKED. BUT I ASSUME WE HAD LOTS OF PEOPLE KNOCKING ON YOUR DOOR WANTING TO TAKE THIS MANAGEMENT SERVICES AGREEMENT OVER, IS -- AM I -- >> NO. >> Smith : OH. OKAY. I' SORRY COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS? >> Williams: YES, I HAVE FIRST A QUESTION ABOUT THE OPERATING COST, THE OPERATING EXPENSE AS COMPARED TO THE REVENUE FIGURE WE WERE GIVING, A LITTLE BIT OF THAT WAS ADDRESSED, BUT SUSIE, YOU RAISED AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION IN MY MIND WHICH IS WHEN YOU SAID Y WER OPERATING AT A LOSS DUE TO THE NECESSITY OF PURCHASING NEW GOLF CARTS AND VEHICLES, ARE THOSE NOT CAPITALIZE AND DEPRECIATED? >> YES, AND THEY'RE PURCHASED EVERY THREE YEARS. >> Williams: EVERY THREE YEAR, YOU SAY? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> AND WHAT WAS THE REVENUE PRE-PANDEMIC THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED A COUPLE OF TIMES, BUT I HAVEN'T -- IF THERE WERE ANY FIGURES MENTIONED PRE-PANDEMIC, I MISSED THEM. >> SO PRE-PANDEMIC, IT WAS -- ROUGHLY 300,000 LESS THAN IT IS CURRENTLY. >> Williams: OKAY. OKAY. SO THE -- HE PURCHASES THE NEW GOLF CARTS AND THE VEHICLE EVERY THREE YEARS, AND DO THOSE GO INTO -- ARE THEY DEPRECIATED OVER THREE YEARS, I ASSUME. >> ARE THEY WHAT? EXCUSE ME. >> Williams: ARE THEY DEPRECIATED OVER THREE YEAR, IF YOU BUY 80 NOW GOLF CARTS, YOU OPERATE A LOSS THAT GIVEN YEAR, IF YOU DON'T E HAVE THE SAME EXPENSE -- >> YES, THEY ARE DEPRECIATED OVER THE THREE YEARS, ON HIS PROFIT AND LOSS STATEMENT -- >> Ricciardelli: ACTUALLY, I WAS JUST, I'M ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE P AND L FROM 2021, I WAS GOING TO JUMP UP WITH SOME NUMBERS IF THAT'S OKAY, BECAUSE I -- I DO THINK COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS RAISES EXCELLENT POINTS, AND THIS IS SOMETHING I TOOK A LOOK AT THE LOSS FOR 2021 WAS $226,807. THERE'S A LINE ITE FOR CART PURCHASE OF $80,377. THERE'S ALSO AN AUTO LOAN, ABOU I DID THIS MATH EARLIER, I HOPE I'M GOING TO DO IT RIGHT AGAIN, BUT -- WELL, BASICALLY, WITH THE $226,000 LOSS, EVEN IF YOU TAKITH THE $20 LOSS, EVEN IF YOU TAKE OUT ALL OF THOSE EXPENSES, IT STILL COMES OUT TO A SLIGHT LOSS BY MY CALCULATION, I'M SURE -- I HOPE THERE ARE THAN THAT, BUT GIVEN THEER CITY THAT OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE YEAR, HAS MORE THAN BROKEN EVEN, AND IN FACT WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD YEAR, YOU KNOW, IMMEDIATELY PRIOR YEAR, IF I RECALL THOSE NUMBERS COR CORRECTLY, I THINK THAT WE ARE -- I HAD THE SAME CONCERN THAT COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS AND MR. LYLE HAD, BUT I THINK WE ARE GETTING A FAIR SHARE OF THE REVENUES, AND MY CONCERNS ABOUT THE DISTRIBUTION OF THOSE REVENUES WAS ADDRESSED, THAT'S WHY I WENT AHEAD AND SECONDED THE MOTION, BUT I THOUGHT THIS WAS GOOD INFORMATION FOR EVERYONE TO HAVE -- >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS, ANYTHING ELSE? >> Williams: JUST THE CONCERN WITH THE AUTOMATIC RENEWALS, 1 Y 12 YEARS IS A LONG TIME TO DO THAT, BUT THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED AS I UNDERSTOOD IT. > Mayor Muns: ALL RIGHT, SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR ITEM 0, ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE VOTE, OR ALL OPPOSED PLEASE VOTE. I THINK WE CAN ALL VOTE. COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS? >> MAYOR, SIR, IT'S THE MOTION WITH THE AMENDMENT, IS THAT RIGHT? >> Mayor Muns: YEAH. PLEASE. WE'RE TRYING TO VOTE. HOW DO YOU VOTE, COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS, DID YOU SAY YES? >> Williams: YES. >> Mayor Muns: HAND VOTE. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HANDS PLEASE. OKAY. MOTION PASSES 8-0. THANK YOU. >> ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION -- >> WE HAVE ITEM V STILL. >> >> Mayor Muns: EXCUSE ME, I'M SORRY. >> TO APPROVE -- >> Mayor Muns: YEAH, LET'S DO V. >> TO APPROVE A REVISED AND RESTATED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE AGREEMENT BY AND BETWEEN THE CITY OF PLANO, TEXAS, A A DELAWARE CORPORATION, AND HIMSED SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE VOTING ON THIS INDIVIDUAL. >> MOTION TO -- >> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> I SECOND THE MOTION. >> Mayor Muns: THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. IS THIS GOING TO WORK. >> IT'S STILL -- >> Mayor Muns: OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM D. ALL IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND. HOW DO YOU VOTE? COUNCILMEMBER WILLIAMS? THANK YOU, MOTION PASSES 7-0 WITH ONE ABSTENTION. THANK YOU. NOW, ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. >> PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO FIFTEEN MINUTES PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE MINUTE REBUTTAL IF NEEDED. REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO (INDISCERNIBLE) MINUTES OF TESTIMONY TIME WITH THREE MINUTE ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER. NONPUBLIC HEARING ITEMS, THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL PERMIT PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA NOT POSTED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS, THE LENGTH OF THE AGENDA AND TO ENSURE MEETING EFFICIENCY AND MAY INCLUDE A CUMULATIVE TIME LIMIT. SPEAKERS CALLED IN THE ORDER THE REQUESTS ARE RECEIVED UNTIL THE CUMULATIVE TIME IS EXHAUSTED, PUBLIC HEARING CONSIDERATION OF AN ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN ZONING CASE 2022-001O AMEND THEOMPRENSIVE ZONING ORANGE OF THE CITY, ORDINANCE 2015-5-2 AS HERETOFORE AMENDED TO AS TO AMEND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 64, CENTRAL BUSINESS 1, ON 137.3 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF STATE HIGHWAY 121 IN THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY, IN THE CITY OF PLANO, COLLIN COUNTY TEXAS, TO MODIFY THE LOCATION AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR MID RISE, RESIDENTIAL AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR OPEN SPACE, DIRECTING A CHANGE ACCORDINGLY IN THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY, A REPEALER CLAUSE, A SAVINGS CLAUSE, A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE, AN CASE, D DR. RAHA PULADI. SO ZONING CASE 2022-001 IS A REQUEST TO AMEND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 64, CENTRAL BUSINESS 1, AND THE STANDARDS RELATED TO MID RISE RESIDENTIAL AND OPEN SPACE WITHIN THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. IT IS THE NORTHERN PORTION OF THE LEGACY WEST DEVELOPMENT. SO THIS IS AN AERIAL OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AND IT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW ON THE SCREEN. IT INCLUDES UNDEVELOPED LAND AND. IT IS MOSTLY DEVELOPED, BUT THERE IS STILL SOME VACANT LAND AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THIS PROPERTY. TO THE NORTH, THERE'S A NEW VEHICLE DEVELOPED -- OR A NEW VEHICLE DEALER USE WITHIN THE CITY OF FRISCO. THERE'S MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH AND EAST AND TO THE WEST IS PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, AND UNDEVELOPED LAND. SO THIS IS THE LOT THAT IS A COMPANION TO THIS ITEM, A CONCEPT PLAN IS ATTACHED TO THIS DEVELOPMENT. AND TO THIS ZONING CASE. THE APPLICANT WILL PRESENT A DETAILED SLIDE SHOW AFTER MY PRESENTATION IS COMPLETE, SO THERE WILL BE MORE DETAILS FORTHCOMING ABOUT THEIR PROPOSED 18 MID RISE RESIDENTIAL BUILDING. THIS DETAILS THE LAND USES THAT EXIST TODAY. SEE THERE'S PRIMARILY OFFICE DEVELOPMENIN THE R LOTS. THERE ARE EXISTING ON THE ORANGE LOTS UNITS THAT EXIST ON SITE. THERE IS A PRIVATE OPEN SPACE LOT, NOT ALL THE OPEN SPACES ARE BEING SHOWN, BUT THE PROPOSED 177 UNITS THE PROPOSED 177 UNITS ARE AT THE NORTH END. THIS SHOWS THE EXISTING PATTERN. THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DOES HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON PLACEMENT OF RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE INTERIOR AWAY FROM THE HIGHWAYS, ANDHAT IS DEMONSTRATED ^ THROUG EXISTING DEVELOPMNT PATTERN. STAFF DID FIND THIS REQUEST TO BE IN THMPMULTIPLE-FAMILY UNION ITS IN THE FORM OF MID-RISE RESIDENTIAL. THE NUMBER OF UNION ITS THAT ARE ALLOWED IS NOT BEING CHANGED. HOWEVER, THE LOCATION OF THE UNITS IS BEING REQUESTED TO CHANGE THROUGH THIS ZONING REQUEST. THE PERCENTAGE OVERALL IS NOT BEING CHANGED BECAUSE IT IS COMBINED WITH THE ADJACENT PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO THE SOUTH IN PD65. THAT IS THE NEXT ZONING CASE PART OF THAT CONSIDERATION AS WELL. THE PLAN INCLUDES AN ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH MAP, THE EXPRESSWAY CORRIDOR ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH MAP. THIS SHOWS THE OVERLAY OF THAT MAP ON THE PROPERTY THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED. THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT SITE IS HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, AND THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A SITE ANALYSIS AND IS PROPOSING MITIGATING STRATEGIES AS PART OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT ISSUES. MORE ON THAT LATER. WITH REGARD TO PROVISION OF OPEN SPACE, THE PD64 AND PD65 WHEN THEY WERE ADOPTED SOME TIME BACK, THEY SHARE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS. THERE WERE WRITTEN REQUIREMENTS THAT LINKED THE PLAN DEVELOPMENTS. OVER TIME IT'S BECOME CHALLENGING TO ADMINISTER THESE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T CHANGE ONE EFFECTIVELY WITHOUT CHANGING THE OTHER BECAUSE OF THIS CONNECTION OF THE TWO. THIS IS PROPOSING TO REALLY UNLINK THESE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS SO THAT WE CAN ADMINISTER THESE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS. ALSO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS, BECAUSE IT WAS A VERBAL REQUIREMENT, A PERCENTAGE OF CURRENT OPEN SPACE PLAN. THOSE ARE LIKELY TO REMAIN THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PATTERN, BUT IT'S DIFFICULT TO ADMINISTER THOSE AS FAR AS WHAT'S BEING PLACED THERE. DO THEY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS? WE THINK ISOLATI THE PRIMARY RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT REALLY ARE MEETING THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE, THOSE CENTRAL LOCATIONS THAT ARE ADDING UP TO 1.4 ACRES IN THE CENTER OF THE DEVELOPMENT, PLUS THE CORNER PIECES THAT TIE THE DEVELOPMENT TO THE SOUTH REALLY HELPS MEET THE MORE IN THE SPIRIT AND THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE RATHER THAN COUNTING THE LANDSCAPE EDGES ESSENTIALLY. . WHILE THEY MEET THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS, THEY ARE WANT REALLY HELPING TO MEET THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE OPEN SPACE. THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT RESTRICTIONS, THESE ARE THE MODIFICATIONS PROPOSED. COMING OUT OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, YOU SEE THERE IS AN EXISTING 400 FOOT SETBAC FROM THE RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE OF HIGHWAY 121 AND THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY. THE EXCEPTION HERE IS A CHANGE, AND IT WOULD ALLOW THE SXISING UNBUILT 177 UNITS TO BE BUILT ON THAT SINGLE SITE, SO IT'S THAT ONE SINGLE EXCEPTION OF THE UNBUILT UNITS IN A SPECIFIC LOCATION. IT GIVES A MINIMUM SETBACK IT REQUIRES THESE ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS OF INTAKE OPENINGS, POLLUTION MITIGATION MEASURES, INCLUDING MECHANICAL VENTILATION STANDARDS, EXCEEDING THE BUILDING CODE, AIR FILTRATION AND, AGAIN, REFERENCED TO BUILDING CODE STANDARDS, NOISE MITIGATION AND THE CONSTRUCTION DOCUMENTS REFERENCING BUILDING DES OFFICIAL OR DESIGNEE. THESE HAVE BEEN REVIEWED WITH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL, BUILDING INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT, SO THEY ARE AWARE AND ARE WILLING AND R THE OPEN SPACE HAS TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND UNFENCED. IT ALSO ADDS THE RUIREMENT THAT THE OPEN ACE EXHIBIT ADOPTED AS PART OF THE ORDINANCE, WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE BECAUSE IT DESIGNATES SPACE ON THE SITE. REGARDING RESPONSE THAT IS WE RECEIVED, YOU'LL SEE A LITTLE KNOCK-OUT PORTION BECAUSE THERE IS A VERY, VERY SMALL AREA OF ONE LOT THAT WAS PERHAPS IMPOSSIBLE TO SEE AT THE SCALE THAT WE NEEDED SHOW. IT'S CLIPS THE CORNER OF ONE LOT, IS THAT'S WHY WE GET OUR TWO RESNSES IN OPPOSITION. ONE THAT'S VISIBLE AND ONE THAT'S -- THEY'RE KIND OF VISIBLE TO THE CORNER CLIP AND THE EXPANDED AREA. THEN ONE IN SUPPORT. THOSE ARE ALL RESIDENTIAL LOTS TO THE SOUTH FOR A TOTAL OF THREE RESPONSES. THEN THAT DOES NOT MEET THE SUPER MAJORITY REQUIREMENT. THEN WITHIN THE ZONING DISTRICT WE HAVE THREE LETTERS OF SUPPORT FOR 12 ACRES OR 9% OF THE TOTAL . CITY WIDE WE RECEIVE NINE LETTERS IN SUPPORT. 12 LETTERS IN OPPOSITION FOR A TOTAL OF 21 RESPONSE. WITH THIS CASE, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION DID RECOMMEND SUPPORT BY A VOTE OF 7-0, BUT DUE TO THE OPEN SPACE STANDARDS CURRENTLY BEING TIED TO THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT TO THE SOUTH, IT IS IMPORTANT THAT CITY COUNCIL IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE THIS CASE THAT THE APPROVAL IS SUBJECT TO THE NT AGENDA ITEM AT ZONING CASE 2022-8. THE PD RESTRICTIONS AS WRITTEN. WITH THAT, I AM CONCLUDING MY PRESENTATION AND AVAILABLE FOR ACRE INCREASE IN OPEN SPACE. IS THAT AFTER ADDING IN THE ADDITIONAL 7.1 ACRES OF BRUCE GLADOCK PARK. TO SAY WITHIN THE OPEN SPACE ACTUALLY PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT WOULD THE BE BYY CALCULATION 6.1 HAD ACRES LESS OR IS THAT SAYING THAT -- THAT THAT'S -- THAT THE WAY THINGS WERE MOVED AROUND BETWEEN THE TWO TRACKS, IT RESULTS IN A 6.9 ACRE INCREASE. >> IT'S NOT A CHANGE. IT WOULD BE AFTER INCLUSION OF A BRUCE GLASSOCK PARK WAS NOT ENVISIONED WHEN THIS ZONING WAS INITIALLY GRANTED. THERE IS INITIALLY WHEN PLANS CAME IN, THERE WAS INTDED TO BE A PARK SORT OF A CENTRAL PARK WHERE LIBERTY MUTUAL EXISTS TODAY. BECAUSE THAT ENDED UP THE PLAN ENDED UP CHANGING, THE OPEN SPACE WAS ESSENTIALLY FRAGMENTED THROUGH MORE THROUGH THE SITE. IT STILL MEETS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS MUCH THE ZONING AS FAR AS THE PLAN ITSELF. WE ENDED UP WITH THINGS LIKE THE DETENTION POND. TRYING TO INSURE THAT THAT MEETS THE MINIMUM SLOPE AND THAT PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY USE THAT AND THEN IT REMAINS UNFENCED OVER THE LONG-TERM IS GOING TO BE VERY DIFFICULT, AND MAYBE EVEN IMPRACTICAL AS WE MOVE FORWARD FOR DEVELOPMENT OF SURROUNDING SITES BECAUSE FENCING MAY BE NECESSARY. YOU END UP THEN WITH THIS DIFFICULT POSITION OF DO YOU NOT FENCE HE DETENTION POND OR NOT USE THE DETENTION POND OR WE'VE RUN INTO SOME VERY DIFCULT QUESTION >> GOTCHA. THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO RESOLVE THIS ISSUE OF OPEN SPACE BY ADOPTING THE PLAN AS PART OF THE ORDINANCE AND MAKING IT A MORE FIXED LOCATION. >> WELL, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT EXPLANATION. I GUESS TH CONCERN I HAVE RELATES TO THE FACT THAT, THAT AND ARE PROVIDING THAT. BY DECREASING THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE THAT THE APPLICANT ITSELF IS KIND OF RESPONSIBLE FOR, ARE WE CONFERRING A BENEFIT THAT OTHER APPLICANTS MAY NOT BE RECEIVING? THEN ALSO, ASIDE FROM THE ADMINISTRATIVE DIFFICULTIES ON THE GROUND REGARDING FENCING AND SLOPE AND USE ABILITY, HOW DO THE CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS BENEFIT FROM THAT? I SAW A DISCUSSION OF THIS LAND WOULD BE FREED UP AS KIND OF A PRIME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREA, AND THERE IS CERTAINLY THAT BENEFIT, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING, I GUESS, ASIDE FROM THE ADMINISTRATIVE COMPLEXITY REDUCTION AND THE ABILITY TO PERHAPS HAVE MORE OFFICE DEVELOPMENT, ARE THERE OTHER BENEFITS TO THE CITY? I THINK THAT YOU PRETTY MUCH SUMMARIZE RIGHT NOW THE CHALLENGE -- IT'S A CHALLENGE TO ADMINISTER THE OPEN SPACE STANDARDSES THE WAY THEY'RE WRITTEN. THE PLAN CHANGED, AND, THEREFORE, THE PLAN WAS WRITTEN WITH THE PD STANDARDS WERE WRITTEN WITH THE PLAN IN MIND. WE DON'T WRITE PDs THIS WAY ANYMORE. . WE'RE TRYING TO GO BACK AND MAKE IT MORE SIMPLE TO ADMINISTER. WE COULD ADD MORE SPACE BACK ON TO THE PLAN AND RAISE THE NUMBERS, BUT WHETHER THAT REALLY GAINS THE COMMUNITY USABLE OPEN SPACE IS THE QUESTION. YOU CAN GO OUT THERE AND LOOK AT THE SPACES THAT ARE ON THIS PLAN. THEY MEET THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS, BUT WHETHER THEY'RE BENEFICIAL, LOOKING AT 30-FOOT STRIPS OF LAND RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE TOLLWAY FRONTAGE ROAD, HOW BENEFICIAL IS THAT? YES, IT MEETS THE TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS. IS THAT WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS US TO ADMINISTER OVER TIME? I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE'RE APOL SEVERAL QUESTIONS, BUT THE FINAA COLLOQUIAL IS DECREASING, EVEN EXCLUDING THE PARK? >> I THINK IT'S PRETTY MUCH STAYING THE SAME. WHEN THIS -- THE PD WAS GRANTED, THE PARK DIDN'T EXIST. WE STILL -- I DO NOT THINK THAT IT'S LIKELY THAT SOMEONE IS GOING TO COME IN AND BUILD IN THE LANDSCAPE EDGES. IT COULD HAPPEN, BUT NOT TERRIBLY LIKELY. LIKELY WE'LL RETAIN WHAT'S EXISTING TODAY WITH THE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT FORM. WE'VE HAD INTEREST IN INCREASING MORE OPEN SPACE FROM NEW OWNERS. WE MAY EVEN GAIN MOTHER. WHAT THIS DOES IS IMPROVE. IT GIVES CREDIT TO THE PARK. IT MAKES IT EASIER TO ADMINISTER. IT LEVELS THE PLAYING FIELD AS FAR AS OWNERS UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE OPEN SPACE IS. IT'S NOT ALL THESE BITS AND PIECES THAT ARE HARD FOR THEM TO TRACK AS WELL AS US. >> ANY OTHER QUESTION FOR STAFF? >> YES, MAYOR. GO AHEAD. >> HI, CHRISTINA. S. THE LETTER OF SUPPORT THAT YOU REFERENCED EARLIER, FOUR OF THE ONES IN FAVOR WERE ALL WRITTEN BY THE SAME PERSON, BUT SHOWING DIFFERENT ADDRESSES. DO YOU KNOW WHAT ACCOUNTS FOR THAT? >> I UNDERSTOOD UP TO THE QUESTION, AND THEN I MISSED THE QUESTION. >> FOUR LETTERS AND SUPPORT THAT WERE -- FOUR OF THE LETTERS OF SUPPORT THAT WERE REFERENCED EARLIER WERE ALL WRITTEN AND SIGNED BY THE SAME PERSON. >> YES, SIR. >> DO YOU KNOW WHAT ACCOUNTS FOR THAT? WHY WE'RE MULTIPLYING THEM AND COUNTING THAT AS FOUR SEPARATE LERGTS? >> BECAUSE THEY'RE FOUR SEPARATE PIECES OF PROPERTY. >> SOERSON WEIGHING IN, BUT WITH MULTIPLE PIECES OF PROPERTY? >> THAT. WE COUNTPROPERTIES. >> THANK YOU. >> I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL. I'VE GOT YOU IN ORDER OF HUNTER WILLIAMS, ROBERT EVANS, KELLY ACRE, AND GRIFFIN SHAW. YOU CAN GO IN THAT ORDER OR NOT. >> GOOD EVENING. I'M ROBERT EVANS WITH THE ARCHITECTURE FIRM O'BRIEN ARCHITECTS. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH COLUMBUS REALTY, THE DEVELOPER OF THIS PROJECT. THERE WE GO. I CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT, DESIGN OF THE BUILDING. IT'S AN 1-STORY APARTMENT TOWER. RESIDENTIAL UNITS LOCATED ABOVE TH PARKING STRUCTURE. I THINK YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION. LEGACY WEST DEVELOPMENT. THESE ARE SOME OF THE PD RESTRICTIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED BY CHRISTINA, INCLUDING THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WE'VE MADE TO THE DESIGN, INCLUDING LOCATING OUR SWIMMING POOL ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY AWAY FROM THE HIGHWAY. INCREASING THE BALCONY RAIL HEIGHTS, BALCONY RAILS TO FOU FOOT TALL. THE AMENITY SPACES, LIKE THE POOL DECK WILL HAVE RAILS THAT TO REDUCE THE IMPACTS OF NOISE. WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT TO MEET -- TO MITIGATE INTERIOR NOISE TO 45 DECIBELS MAXIMUM, AND THE UNITS WILL BE TESTED ON COMPLETION TO THE BUILDING DESIGN. LET'S SEE. AGAIN, THIS IS THE SAME IMAGE FROM THE COVER PAGE. IT'S SHOWING YOU THAT IT'S AN IMAGE TAKEN FROM THE SOUTH. YOU CAN SEE THE FLY-OVER RAMPS OF THE SAM RAYBURNL AMENITY SPACES ALSO LOCATED ON TOP OF THE GARAGE. . THEN AGAIN, THE RESIDENCES ARE OF THAT. THIS IS A CONCEPT IMAGE SHOWING THE POOL DECK, THAT WOULD BE LOCATED AGAIN ON THE TOP OF THE GARAGE BUT FACING AWAY FROM THE HIGHWAY. I THINK THAT'S THE LAST IMAGE. JUST SHOWING YOU FROM THE SOUTH AGAIN. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> MAKE SURE EVERYBODY GETS THEIR CHANCE TO SPEAK. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU, MAYOR. S OBVIOUSLY, YOU HEARD THE DISCUSSION I HAD WITH DIRECTOR DAY. ARE THERE ANY THINGS IN YOUR MIND THAT COULD BE DONE DIFFERENTLY TO FURTHER MAXIMIZE USABLE OPEN SPACE KIND OF INTERIOR TO THESE TRACKS WITHOUT GIVING CREDIT FOR THE PARK? >> NONE THAT I'M AWARE OF. >> OKAY. >> WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT FORTHRIGHT ANSWER. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. >> THEY'RE GOING TO STAY THERE. RIGHT? WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONFINE THE COMNTSOHE COUNCIL. >> MR. MAYOR, I HAVE LOOKED AT THIS, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT COUNCILMEMBER RICIARDELLI IS TALKING ABOUT. TO BE CANDID, THIS LOOKS LIKE THE LAWN THAT RUNS ALG BETWEEN MY HOUSE SIDEWALK AND THE CURB ON MOST OF THE AREASHE INTO A L THAN STRICKENS ALONG THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY AND CALLING THAT AN OPEN SPACE, AND NO ONE REALLY USES IT. I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYBODY PICNICKING BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS AND THE ONRAMP OF THE NORTH DALLAS TOLLWAY. I CONSIDERED IT STRONGLY, AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THIS, AND I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT. ANY OTHER -- EXCUSE ME. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> YES, MAYOR. >> GO AHEAD. >> WAS I NOT ON VIDEO? >> YOU'RE GOOD. YOU'RE FINE. >> ONE OF THE BIGGEST CONCERNS I HAVE AND, AGAIN, NOW IT'S IN THE DOCUMENT, IT TALKS ABOUT NOISE MITIGATION MEASURES SUCH AS THE BUILDING OFFICIAL OR DESIGNEE MAY SUBSTITUTE -- >> TURN ON YOUR VIDEO. >> THE VIDEO GOES AWAY WHEN I REFERENCE THE DOCUMENT. THE DOCUMENTS STATE THAT THE CONSTRUCTION SUPERVISOR, WHOM EVER, MAY SUBSTITUTE A HIGHER QUALITY MATERIAL, BUT IT DOESN'T SPEAK UNLESS I MISSED IT TO ACTUAL SOUNDPROOFING. WE ALREADY HAVE ANOTHER HIGH-RISE IN THE AREA WITH SOUND ISSUES BECAUSE NO SOUNDPROOF MEASURES WERE TAKEN. RIGHT THERE AT 121 AND THE TOLLWAY, I FORESEE IN THE FUTURE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SIMILAR SOUND COMPLAINTS UNLESS WE TAKE PROACTIVE REQUIREMENTS TO SOUNDPROOF THAT BUILDING. OR AT LEAST SERIOUSLY SOUND DAMPENING. >> SPEAK TO THAT. ROBERT, THANK YOU. GO AHEAD, CHRISTINE. >> CERTAINLY. I'LL JUST SAY THAT WE DID NOT WANT TO BE -- ZONING RUNS WITH THE LAND FOR A LONG PERIOD OF T. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WEREN'T ADDING SPECIFIC CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HIT REDEVELOPMENT OR LET'S SAY REPLACING MATERIALS AS SOMETHING AS REMODAY, BUT IN 20 YEARS SOUNDS VERY OUTDATED AND IS ACTUALLY BENEATH THE CODE ESSENTIALLY. I'LL LET THE ARCHITECT ALSO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE. >> GO AHEAD AND SPEAK TO THAT WITH REGARD TO SOUNDPROOFING. >> OTHER DEVELOPERS HAVE DONE WITH THEIR PROJECTS, AND, OBVIOUSLY, I DON'T KNOW THE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. WE PERFORMED A SOUND STUDY BEFORE BEGINNING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THINGS WE WOULD NEED TO DO TO IMPROVE THE LIVING CONDITIONS AT THIS DEVELOPMENT AT THIS BUILDING. THE MEASURES THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED WE FEEL WILL MAKE THIS FIRST CLASS PROJECT. THAT IS CERTAINLY OUR INTENT. RAISING THE LEVELS OF THE RAILING, SITUATING THE AMENITY SPACES AWAY FROM THE HIGHWAY JUST THAT REQUIREMENT OF HAVING TO MEASURE THE SOUND WITHIN THE UNITS. IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO. IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS ACTUALLY IN THE BUILDING CODE THAT WE HAVE TO PERFORM TO THAT LEVEL OF CARE OF BUILDINGS SUCH AS THIS. >> (INAUDIBLE) >> I'M SORRY? >> ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP FLOOR? >> CORRECT. CORRECT. >> WHAT ARE THE STANDARDS IF YOU KNOW THEM OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD FOR -- WHERE WE HAVE THIS OTHER ISSUE IS IN HIGH-RISE AND IT'S NOT A PROBLEM ON THE LOWER FLOORS. IT'S IN THE UPPER FLOORS. >> YEAH, AND IT'S REALLY -- IT'S WRITTEN INTO THE -- I'M SORRY. IT'S WRITTEN INTO THE STIPULATIONS, THE PD STIPULATIONS. >> I CAN ADDRESS THIS, MR. MAYOR. IT STATESHAT THE MAXIMUM INTERIOR NOISE LEVEL WILL BE 45 DECIBELS, AND THE ENGINEER OF RECORD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR TESTING THE INTERIOR NOISE AND PROVIDING NOISE STUDY FOR EACH UNIT FOR ALL UNITS TO BUILDING NOT, AND UNDERSTAND BERPT THE TRULY USABLE SPACE THAT'S NOT IMPACTED, EVEN THOUGH THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE ARE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE FOREST THROUGH THE TREES. AS A MATTER OF INCIPLE, UNLESS IT'S AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE, I JUST DON'T SEE GIVING CREDIT TO A ZONING APPLICANT FOR A CITY PARK BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THE CITY AND NOT THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING. IF IT'S NOT IMPACTING THE TRULY USABLE OPEN SPACE, THEN I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THE CHANGE. >> CERTAINLY. YOU'RE NOT SEEING ALL OF LEGACY WEST HERE. YOU'RE JUST SEEING THE NORTHERN PORTION. THE PRIMARY OPEN SPACE, THERE'S REALLY I THINK A PRIVATE OPEN SPACE THAT WE COULD NOT CREDIT BECAUSE IT'S -- OR WE DID NOT CREDIT BECAUSE IT WASN'T ON THE CURRENT OPEN SPACE PLAN. THAT IS LOT FOUR BETWEEN THE TWO HIGH-RISES. I BELIEVE IT'S LOT FOUR. I CAN'T SEE -- SORRY. LOT FIVE. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I CAN'T SEE. ONE OF THOSE IS BUILT TODAY. THE THREE-QUARTERS OF AN ACRE, AND THE OTHER THREE-QUARTERS OF N THAT FUTURE -- THE LOT WILL DEVELOP IN THE FUTURE. YOU SEE THE GREEN AREA IS THERE. THE REMAINING -- THEN WE LEFT THE LOTS ON THE CORNER OF COMMUNICATIONS AND HEADQUARTERS. THOSE ARE SORT OF ENTRYWAYS WE FELT LIKE BECAUSE THAT'S A CONNECTION AT THAT INTERSECTION WHETHER YOU'RE HEADED NORTH, ND SOUTH, EAST,WEST THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT, ON LOT FIVE, BUT MAYBE OTHERWISE THE OTHER PIECE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SUBSTANTIAL IS BEING USED AS DETENTION IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER. >> IS THAT THE LOT 11 WITH THE THREE ACRES? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> BECAUSE THAT WAS -- AS I WAS LOOKING AT THIS, I SEE A LOT OF IT IS LEFTOVERS, BUT THAT SEEMS LIKE A SIGNIFICANT PIECE THAT IS GOING AWAY. IS THE ACTUAL USE OF THAT CHANGING, OR IT'S NOT GOING T BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? RIGHT NOW IT'S BEING USED AS DETENTION, BUT IT'S SORT OF SURFACE. THE CHALLENGE IS TO -- AND I'M GOING TO START SOUNDING LIKE AN ENGINEER HERE, BUT IT HAS TO BE A LOT DEEPER, AND, THEREFORE, IT HAS TO BE FENCED, AND THEN IT WON'T MEET THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS. WE WERE STUCK BETWEEN LEAVING THAT -- WE DON'T WANT THE -- IT DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY HAVE INVESTED IN THAT PROPERTY WITH AN UNDERSTANDING THAT DEVELOPABLE LOTS, AND SO IT WAS AN UNTENABLE SITUATION. ESSENTIALLY, HAVING THAT 1.3 ACRES ON LOT 11 WOULD HAVE THE RIPPLE EFFECT THAT THE ADJACENT TRACT WOULD BE UNDEVELOPABLE BECAUSE OF THEIR PROXIMITY TO AN UNFENCED DETENTION POND? >> THAT IS CORRECT. >> I SEE. I SEE. I GUESS THAT BRINGS UP ONE FINAL QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT THEN, WHICH IS AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE ON LOT FOUR, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT -- IT'S SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN THE DETENTION POND AREA IN LOT 11. IS THAT SOMETHING THE APPLICANT WOULD MAKE PUBLIC OR IS THAT NEGOTIABLE? >> I CAN'T SPEAK TARE ZONED AS SOLD AS PARCELS. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE ITEM ONE. IS THE BUTTON WORKING? OKAY. I DIDN'T WANT TO START PUNCHING AWAY. OKAY. PLEASE VOTE. WELL, I THOUGHT SHE WAS MAKING IT READY. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS, HOW DO YOU VOTE? >> YES. >> MOTION PASSES 7-1. ITEM TWO. >> ITEM NUMBER TWO. PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDERATION OF AB ORDINANCE AS REQUESTED IN ZONING CASE 2022-008 TO AMEND THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE OF THE CITY ORDINANCE NUMBER 2015-5-2 AS HERETOFOREAMENDED. AS TO AMEND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 65 CENTRAL BUSINESS ONE ON 275.1 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAS CORNER OF DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY AND TENNISON PARKWAY IN THE CITY OF PLANO, COLLIN COUNTY, TEXAS, TO AMEND THE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR OPEN SPACE FOR TRACK C ASK D IN PLAN DEVELOPMENT 65 CENTRAL BUSINESS ONE DIRECTING A CHANGE ACCORDINGLY IN THE OFFICIAL ZONING MAP OF THE CITY, PROVIDING A PENALTY CLAUSE, REPEALER CLAUSE, A SAVER CLAUSE, A PUBLICATION CLAUSE, AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >> ZONING CASE EIGHT IS AN ASSOCIATED ZONING CASE T THE PRIOR CASE BECAUSE THERE IS A CONNECTION IN THE STANDARDS BETWEEN THE OPEN SPACE REGULATIONS IN THESE TWO PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS. THE CITY INITIATED THIS CASE BECAUSE OF THE NEED TO AMEND THE PRIOR DISTRICT. THERE ARE FOUR TRACKS WITHIN PLAN DEVELOPMENT 65 CENTRAL BUSINESS ONE. IT STARTED WITH JUST TRACT A INITIALLY AND HAS BEEN EXPANDED ROUGH THEARIOUS TRACKS OVER TIME. THE ONLY ONES THAT WILL BE IMPACTED BY THE PROFESSIONAL TONIGHT ARE TRACK C AND D, PART. YOU CAN SEE THERE WAS A REQUIREMENT OR CURRENTLY IS A REQUIREMENT IN THE DISTRICT FOR A SINGLE QRTERCRE SIT ALONG WINDROSE, AND THAT STILL EXISTS. YOU SEE THERE ARE TWO OPEN SPACES IN THE MODIFIED OPEN SPACE PLAN. ALSO, THE CONTIGUOUS OPEN SPACE TO MOST SIGNIFICANT OPEN SPACES WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA REMAINS WHAT IS REMOVED AND CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN YOU SAW PREVIOUSLY. ARE THE SPACES, AGAIN, FOCUSED ON THE EFFECTIVELY THE LANDSCAPE EDGES ALONG THE DALLAS NORTH TOLLWAY AND ALONG COMMUNICATIONS PARKWAY. THEN, WITHIN THE INTERIOR OF THE DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE IN OUR OPINION NOT FUNCTIONING AS ACTIVE OPEN SPACE AREAS. THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT RESTRICTIONS, THIS IS REALLY MODIFYING ONLY THE OPEN SPACE RESTRICTIONS WITHIN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND FOCUSED ONLY ON TRACK C AND D. TRACKS A AND B ARE NOT BEING MODIFIED. SIMILAR TO OTHER STANDARDS WITHIN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, IT GETS CREDIT FOR AN ADJACENT PUBLIC PARK, AND THE REMNING OPEN SPACE ON THE EXHIBIT IS CREDITED AND UTILIZED THE DIMENSIONS REMAIN, AND THE STANDARDS FOR PUBLIC ACCESS AND FENCING REMAIN. WE HAD NO RESPONSE WITHIN 200 FEET WITHIN THE DISTRICT. WE HAD FOREIGN SUPPORT. ONE NEUTRAL. THREE IN OPPOSITION. CITY-WIDE WE HAD SEVEN IN SUPPORT. TWO NEUTRAL. AND 13 IN OPPOSITION. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BY A VOTE OF 7-0. WITH THAT WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. >> ANY QUESTIONS? >> COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE MAP WHICH WAS COMPARING THE PROPOSED WITH THE CURRENT OPEN SPACE? >> YES, I WOULD BE GLAD TO DO W AS OPEN SPACES. IF WE DIDN'T COUNT THEM AS OPEN SPACES, EVEN THOUGH ON THE MAP ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE THEY'RE SHOWING THEM IN WHITE, WITH THE SETBACKS REQUIRED IN THAT WHOLE AREA AND WHAT IS ALREADY DEVELOPED IN THAT AREA, THE QUESTION REALLY IS, COULD ANYTHING BE DEVELOPED IN THOSE AREAS OTHER THAN BUSHES AND TREESND ASS? >> YOU COULD BUILD THINGS THERE. CONSIDERING ESPECIALLY ON THE TOLLWAY, MOST OF THOSE AREAS HAVE VERY LARGE SPECIMEN TREES THAT WERE REPLANTED THERE. IT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT DEGRADATION TO THE PROPERTY TO REMOVE THOSE? ALSO, IT MOST OF THE GREEN SPACE ALONG COMMUNICATIONS PARKWAY IS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, AND IT WOULD BE, AGAIN, A SIGNIFICANT. THOSE PROVIDE A SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT TO THOSE RESIDENTS. I THINK THE PROPERTY OWNERS WOULD NOT WANT TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THERE. >> CONSIDERING THAT, THIS WOULD DEGRADE THE PROPERTY. SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO REALLY TAKE A CONCERTED EFFORT TO DECIDE WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO WAS DEGRADE THE PROPERTY ENOUGH BY REMOVING ALL THE GRASS AND THE TREES THAT ARE ALONG THIS WAY AND TRY TO EXPAND TO AN AREA THAT MAYBE IS 6 TO 8 FEET WIDE. >> RIGHT. ALL THOSE AREAVE TO BE 30 BY 30. YOU COULD BUILD SOMETHING THERE, BUT IT IS -- IT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT EFFORT TO DO SO. WHAT I THINK YOU COULD SEE WOULD BE THE REDUCTION OF PUBLIC SPACE FOR PRIVATE SPACE. IT COULD BECOME -- THOSE ARE FENCED FOR USE OF THE RESIDENTS. >> THE THOUGHT THAT I HAVE AND I DON'T KNOW THE FUTURE THOUGHTS OF WHOEVER OWN IT, BUT THE CLASS OF THE WAY THAT LEGACY WEST IS BUILT, I SIGNIFICANTLY DO YOU WANT THEY'RE GOING TO REMO SPACES AND THE TREES THAT ARE I THERE, BECAUSE IT IS PART OF THE AESTHETIC VIEWN COMMUNICATIONS, THOSE -- WE'RE ONLY SHOWING WHAT'S PUBLIC. MANY -- THERE'S QUITE A BIT MORE GREEN SPACE IN THERE THAT'S PRIVATELY ACCESSIBLE THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE BADGE ACCESS OR THERE ARE POOLS. THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE THERE THAT YOU JUST CAN'T SEE BECAUSE IT'S NOT NOTED ON THE PLAN. WE'RE SAYING WE'RE NOT GOING TO ACCOUNT FOR THE AREA BECAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST. I WANT TO MAKE A CLARIFICATION. I TOO WAS WONDERING IF THE OPEN SPACES ARE GOING TO REMAIN HERE WHY WOULDN'T WE CONTINUE COUNTING THEM. I UNDERSTAND THE CHANGE WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD NO LONGER BE REQUIRED TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. IS THAT ESSENTIALLY WHAT'S GOING ON? THEY HAVE TO BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND CAN'T BE FENCED. THINGS LIKE DOG PARKS, THINGS LIKE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE WHERE -- HOW MANY UTILITIES CAN BE -- HOW MANY UTILITY BOXES CAN BE PLACED BEFORIT'SN OBSTRUCTION, AND IT'S NOT REALLY MEETING THE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS. WE HAVE TO START ASKING OURSELVES ALL THESE QUESTIONS, AND AT SOME POINT IS IT BECAUSE ALL THAT IS REALLY A COMMUNAL GREEN SPACE EXPERIENCE FOR THE RESIDENTS THERE. IT'S FUNCTIONING AS A UNIT. CITY ADMINISTRATION OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE IS REALLY MORE OF A BARRIER THAN A SERVICE TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE. >> GOTCHA. WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT INFORMATION. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. >> CERTAINLY. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE HAVE TWO SPEESAKERS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SAME WITH GRIFFIN. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. CONFINE THE COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE. I THINK THIS IS TO THE POINTS THAT HAVE ALRE MADE SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER HOLMER. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? PLEASE VOTE. >> YES, MAYOR. >> SORRY. I WAS SO CLOSE. SO CLOSE. GO AHEAD. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT IF THE LIKELIHOOD OF ALTERING THESE AREAS IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY ANYWAY, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT GET MUCH USE OR EVEN VISIBILITY FROM THE PEOPLE THERE, I THINK THERE IS GREAT BENEFIT IN HAVING IT VISIBLE FROM THE STREET AND HAVING THE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE EVEN IF NOBODY HAS A PICNIC THERE AREAS VISIBLE FROM THE STREET TO PROVIDE MORE GREEN AIR TO THE CITY. >> WAS IT -- WHAT WAS THE VOTE COUNT? I'M SORRY. >> 3-0. LET'S VOTE -- I'M SORRY. YOU JUST MADE IT UNDER THE WIRE, SHELBY. OKAY. THIS IS NOT AGENDA ITEM THREE, BUT IT'S AGENDA ITEM TWO. WE CAN PRETEND THAT IT'S TWO. ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND CHANGE IT SO WE'RE OFFICIAL. YOU WANT TO DO A HAND VOTE? THERE IT IS. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE VOTE. COUNCILMAN WILLIAMS, HOW DO YOU VOTE? >> NO. >> NO. OKAY. I HAVE 6-2. IT PASSES 6-2. THERE BEING NO MORE ITEMS, WE ARE ADJOURNED. (ADJOURNED