look SM e e e e e e e m p are we ready good morning mayor we don't have a quorum but if you'd like you I would love to start to start yes sir good morning everyone we're going to go ahead and get started with a ceremonial items the meeting will convene once it we we have a quorum good morning good morning everyone if we could start Miss PR I would it this morning the invocation will be delivered by Ministry coordinator for the El Paso County Sheriff's Office and chaplain Emeritus for the El Paso Police Department Sam feroni there he is there's my friend Josh please good morning Mr Mayor Representatives officials and guests if you'd care to join me as I pray I invite you to Bow your heads Heavenly Father we thank you for another day of life and more opportunities to make the world around us better by the things that we do and the things that we say for my mayor City representatives and all who are a part of this meeting agenda today I pray for clarity of mind and heart as discussion takes place and decisions are made we desire and we pray for what is best for our beloved city of El Paso and I ask for wisdom for all of us to know your plans and your ways I pray for those who have been affected by devastating fires and storms in Ruidoso and disasters in other parts of the country as well I pray for comfort and healing and restoration let us be aware of your presence and guidance today and every day I pray that you'll watch over and protect all of those who keep us safe and those who protect our freedoms for of him and through him and to him are all things to whom be glory forever in Jesus name I pray amen thank you thank you sir as you know it's always a pleasure seeing you sir m f will you lead us in the pledge please ma'am thank you ma'am IED delance to the flag of the United States of America and to the repblic One Nation God indivisible liy and Justice thank you ma'am good morning everyone and um I'd um as U chaplain was talking about U the people in Ros so I do want to have a moment of silence in a minute for the three lives that were lost in our neighboring City but also um i' like i' like to thank the firefighters all the firefighters that uh really were out there and did an incredible job we're at uh one of the fires at 85% contained the other ones at uh 84% contained and it um I do want to um thank them but also keep them in our prayers and um I talked to Chief Di austino and we did send a water rescue team because of the floods that are going up there and they've been very busy they they went up there on Friday and they've been uh working tirelessly to make sure that people are rescued and safe and that's been U and they have been Thanks to our fire department that was um was an asked from the governor's office to the governor of Texas and then made a request from OEM to the city of Al Paso and U we were able to provide the service to make sure that people are safe in in rosu and right now that the floods as you've seen a lot of the pictures is uh been been really very dramatic and but yet uh with the great men and women of the AL Pas a fire department and the fire department in the state of New Mexico they've kept people safe and I want to again I want to have a moment of silence for the people that lost their lives and and the fire but also to keep the firefighters the men and women and uh everyone that's working the fire and the floods and and Roso in our prayers and thoughts thank you good morning this is a meeting of the AL Paso city council for Tuesday July 2nd 2024 mayor liser is present and presiding in council chambers along with representative aavo representative ernandez alternate mayor proem molinard and representative salido mayor protm Kennedy is joining virtually good morning sir and you're on mute sir we didn't hear you didn't hear me say good morning yeah you're if we could turn the volume up but yeah we did hear you thank you sir good morning representative Riva requested to be excused today it is 908 a.m. thank you and um I want to thank that there's a lot of people here and it's always very important that um this to see our um constituents and people that are here so I do want to thank everyone for being here and with that Miss Prime we'll start with the first uh Proclamation yes sir the first Proclamation this morning is Amigo Air Show canid it's it's nice to morning everyone it's it's nice to see familiar faces yes it is um um I have the pleasure of reading the proclamation uh whereas for 31 years the Amigo a show provided theas nor region innovated safe and exciting aerial performances along with a variety of fun family activities and whereas after a 12year Hiatus the Migo air show is ecstatic to return to El Paso Texas on October 12th and October 13th at the prestigious bigs Army Airfield on Fort Bliss and whereas this year's Air Show features the Canadian Forces snowboards jet team who have proudly upheld the legacy of military Aviation Excellence as Canada's elite air demonstration team and whereas we recognize Amigo air Show's International guests who in this the Royal Canadian Air Force Centennial year continue demonstrating a 100 Years of Royal Canadian Air Force Excellence at air displac throughout North America now therefore be it proclaimed by the mayor and Council of the city op Paso that July 2nd 2024 shall be known as Amigo Air Show Canada Day signed the honorable mayor Oscar liser go ahead M I have couple words but I'll wait for for y'all to to speak first uh well we just wanted to say thank you for allowing this honor of uh having Amigo Air Show Canada today we're Extremely Blessed to launch our air show coming back after the 12 years with our friends up north and um we have a American and Canadian flag pen for each one of and um again we want to thank the community for their enthusiasm for bringing the show back and um we're excited to bring it back at Fort Bliss with our military friends thank you and I want to thank you I know that um this took a lot of work and you know I know I was at the um announcement and all the excitement of being able to bring it back and it wasn't just you know Fort Bliss and general eishen hire was so instrumental in making sure that uh we were able to do that and have the the opportunity bring the a show back that's been gone for how long now 12 years 12 years and um so um congratulations on bringing the community together to be able to do something like this and again when I see the community Fort Bliss is our community so congratulations and thank you yeah thank you [Applause] all thank you take a picture how are you she don't have to worry about thank you thank you Shar thank you very much appreciate everything he thank you m p yes sir and for those receiving proclamations this morning you will have up to 6 minutes to address the council once your Proclamation is read the next Proclamation is Blanca dagor nandes hi good morning um would love to have Mrs Aragon come forward and I have the honor of reading the proclamation today and I'll read it for the record um and then we'd love to hear from you Mrs zaragon and it says proclamation of the city of El Paso whereas Blanca C Aragon is a native opasan and a key and key to the transformation of VA Healthcare for Paso area veterans Blanca Aragon obtained her Doctorate of nursing practice executive leadership from Texas Tech University Health and Science Center on May 3rd of 2024 this is a fitting tribute to her tireless efforts and contributions to over 43,000 enrolled El Paso veterans the local healthc Care community and Beyond this is a great opportunity to recognize a fellow El pasoan who joins the ranks of 1% of Latinas having obtained a doctorate degree in the United States of America and Ras Dr aon's career trajectory reflects a steadfast commitment to advancing her knowledge and skills in nursing Dr aon's board certification as a nurse executive Advance underscores her commitment to Leadership Excellence Dr Aron's initiatives in areas such as sterile processing and peroperative services highlight her proactive approach in improving patient care and operational efficiency Dr Aragon's involvement in broader initiatives such as repatriated veteran care and promoting diversity inclusion showcases her commitment to advancing Healthcare Beyond patient care and Ras Dr Aon demonstrates resilience dedication and Leadership during the covid-19 crisis particularly in spearheading testing and vaccination efforts Dr Aron provided Essential Medical Care and served as a courageous example to colleagues and the community in collaboration with the El Paso VA emergency manager and Homeland Security providing a team to vaccinate Homeland Security Personnel veterans and staff at the Texas state veterans home and Ras Dr Aragon displayed compassion dedication Beyond professional duties assisting a US Marine veteran during the Russia Ukraine war crisis by coordinating with the Department of Defense VA service providers and numerous Community organizations Dr Aron advocated for the veteran their caregivers well-being and facilitated their return to El Paso for comprehensive care and whereas Dr adon's recognition for her tireless efforts and contributions to the health Healthcare Community and Beyond is a testament to her dedication collaborative efforts to support our veterans and our family members by providing them with dignity opportunity and well-being now therefore be proclaimed by the mayor and Council of the city of El Paso that July 2nd 2024 shall be known as Dr Blanca C Aragon de signed by honorable mayor Oscar liser congratulations and thank you for our you do good morning good morning on behalf of the op Paso VA Healthcare System and its over 1500 employees just want to thank the mayor and the city commission particular City representative ernandez for leading today's Proclamation we're so proud of Dr aagon and all her accomplishments she's a critical member of our executive leadership team where we service and serve veterans every single day not only here in El Paso but also in Southern New Mexico we couldn't be more proud of her accomplishments and she brings a lot to the table and it is a win-win not only for our community but also for our veterans as well I want to ask Dr adan's husband to say a few words as well thank you uh Frey Gara and I'm the director of the op Paso VA thank you hello my name's andreon I'm uh what I like to call her eye candy um so my beautiful wife had known each other for 21 years uh and she's done amazing things for not just the VA but for our community as well uh just having that compassion and being the nurse that she is I just want to congratulator and wish you all the best and I love you Dron good morning good morning well this is a h surprise now I know my family was here um I just want to thank the city of El Paso um thank you ma'am uh for all of that um and it's just an honor and a privilege to take care of our veterans it's an honor to be a nurse it's a a profound profession that I hold dear um and I I look forward to continuing to serve this community u in the veterans uh my husband is a veteran and so it's really important that we provide really great care to all those who served um and to continue to propel this community forward so thank you so much thank you Dron and I want to congratulate you it's um you know you had a dream and you had a vision and you followed through with it and I do want to congratulate you for your accomplishments but the importance just like you said of our veterans and our veterans have a a choice to make anywhere they've ever been stationed their home but about 70,000 veterans chose El Paso and that's a great compliment and it's up to us as elected officials and the VA and our community to make sure that we take care of our veterans and this is another perfect example of an El Paso and committed in making themselves the best that could be to take care of our veterans so Dr igone thank you and congratulations e get the rest of for the I'll send you all the pictures you go a perfect I think so you ready one two three I'm G to do like 17 more phones ready one two three any more the leg workout pleasure anybody else thank you [Applause] and for the record representative Canales joined the meeting at 9:13 a.m. that brings us to the next Proclamation and this is El Paso help day representative Canales please all right I'll wait for them to come up another big group Proclamation city of El Paso Texas whereas the city of El Paso Department of community and human development partnered with Cisco Systems and computer center to provide a rapid covid response called operation Safe Harbor to provide contactless intake at the Delta Welcome Center which served over 3,000 individuals in the 13 months of 2020 to 2021 with no instances of covid originating from the housing shelters and whereas in 2021 El Paso city council adopted a new strategic objective identified to develop solutions to increase access and resources to Al pasoans experiencing or at risk of homelessness and whereas in 2022 the city of El Paso received American Rescue plan act arpa funding and community and human development allocated its portion of funds for programs to stabilize the homeless service system and was able to use the Lessons Learned in Operation Safe Harbor to construct a plan to Leverage The Power of local non-governmental organizations andos and whereas Operation Safe Harbor provided valuable insight into the needs of El Paso's unhoused and vulnerable populations community and human development was able to extend Cisco's partnership and tap into their country digital acceleration fund uh to engage ghost like creative a local digital marketing company to design workflow user interface and marketing materials for El Paso helps and S SWS software developers from Berlin Germany in collaboration with the city uh City's Department of Information Technology Services develops the El pasoh help.org or El El Paso aa.org portal to enable vulnerable populations to readily connect to a WebEx video uh contact center manned by local ngos and supported by City Department of uh Information Technology services and whereas community and human development brought together these local NOS providing critical services including resource navigation Street Outreach rapid rehousing homeless prevention and mental health resulting in the launch of El Paso helps in 2023 and whereas Cisco Systems has recognized Nicole Alini with the 2024 sustainability changemaker award for the Americas we also recognize her leadership and honor and honor the power of uh community services and the strength of bringing together local NOS to collaborate and serve our community and look forward to the future phases planned to serve veterans and higher education student populations thereby reaffirming our commitment to building sustainable and equit Equitable communities for generations to come now therefore be it proclaimed by the mayor and Council of the city of El Paso that July 2nd 2024 shall be known as El Paso helps day signed by our honorable mayor Oscar liser good morning good morning mayor and councel niini climate and sustainability officer director of community and human development um just a couple of things I want to say you know El Paso HPS was born as Operation Safe Harbor in March of 2020 and I learned a lot of things in those two and a half three years of providing assistance to our most vulnerable populations creating space to shelter in place when those who had no shelter had nowhere else to go we kept those people safe I do want to say that in the little over a year that we held up that shelter in concert with our partners 5,000 unsheltered individuals walked through those doors and 5,000 unsheltered individuals were protected from covid-19 that tells me a couple of things number one in the true Spirit of resilience where there is a will there is a way we didn't have at the time cares or arpa we didn't have any resources what we had was an incredible challenge to save lives and so what we did is we activated Community leadership we activated public private partnership we activated internal City departments we worked in true collaboration in the spirit of leadership and we saved lives and I have to thank every single person that's standing here behind me my department uh my staff Abraham guz who's standing next to me who through sheer force of Personality made sure that this uh uh was successful Miss Adel Alonso who is somewhere there she is behind me this is the lady that keeps El Paso helps going and will into the future and to all the rest of my staff and to the nonprofit providers that are here today it's not just the technology that makes El Paso helps work it is the Partnerships and the people behind it and I have to thank more than anyone my technology Partners in Cisco computer center ghost light creative and SWS thank you all for the uh award for all of the Americas um I know my name is on the award but the award really is about the city of El Paso and about this team but I want to allow my good friend Barbara Walker to say a few words about what this means for Cisco thank you Nicole hi my name is Barbara Walker and I know some of you um those of you that know me know I am passionate about El Paso I'm a native a military brat Army brat go pickle I'm all about pickle [Applause] ball and when Nicole called me and needed help it wasn't about well let's sit down and talk about this it was immediate we we um came together Cisco supported us computer Cent computer center supported us and and we just did it um it is an honor to be in El Paso and it is an honor to work for Cisco who recognizes the importance of the homeless issue we've invested in homelessness in San Jose and you know it's good to know that we've invested here and I'm so tired of Technology projects I am ready for people projects you know this is what we're going to do with the technology Nicole has done that uh her uh award that she received from Cisco is the first of its kind and it is an America's award she's up for three more Awards by the way uh in October and and so just know that she represents El Paso well Cisco knows who El Paso is in a positive way and I'm tired of us getting bad publicity so let's go get some good publicity right and thank you all for everything you do service to this community is so important thank you I'd like to thank you all and you know it's El Paso help day but it's a lot more than that as Miss you you said just now and our responsibility is our visitors but all but our number one responsibility is the community and the citizens of El Paso and how do we make sure that we the health and safety of el pasoans by so by helping people that visit our community to stay safe and back in 2020 to make sure the spread of covid was controlled was really really very important as becoming the most infected city in America to where we came and becoming the first to reach herd immunity and stop lives from being lost was really important and what you all did was a incredible start to make sure that that happened and uh you know so I want to thank you all and uh for making sure that uh our community continues to be safe and that we they know that we're out there to help so thank you and um congratulations everyone than you sir okay can you all line up in alphabetical order I'm to pull it maybe a a third row of just like I wouldn't this though no hold on just a the very good there's a woman right there who I can't see at all yes if we'll scoot out this way perfect beautiful all right ready everyone look my way ready one two yes I can other thank you know thank you m p thank you thank you all for being here yes sir for the record representative fero I believe I just saw him join the meeting there representative fedro joined the meeting virtually at 9:28 a.m. Council per The Rules of Order no use of personal cellular devices nor personal communication shall take place on the day nor while participating virtually while the meeting is session once you obtain the floor from the mayor you will have up to 10 minutes for debate you may speak twice per item please speak into the microphone and refrain from side conversations at the day while the meeting is in session for those of you joining virtually please mute your microphones to reduce background noise that brings us to the consent agenda all matters listed under the consent agenda will be considered by city council to be routine and will be enacted by one motion unless separate discussion is requested by council members prior to the vote members of the audience may ask questions regarding items on the consent agenda when the vote has been taken If an item has not been called out for separate discussion the item has been approved Council May however reconsider any item at any time during the meeting alternate mayor Pro before you get started I I do want to say hi to our assistant at our office Melissa Moody hi Melissa Melissa good morning morning thankks for helping as always bye go ahead good morning uh proposed revisions for the July 2nd 2024 meeting agenda as of 8:30 this morning page 7 item 24 revised per purchasing and strategic sourcing and that revision is to insert the word second so that it reads the Etna life insurance company is a second highest ranked offer page 18 item 38 move to the Forefront of the agenda after item 25 for economic and International Development page 19 item 39 move to the Forefront of the regular agenda after item 25 for economic and International Development page 19 item 40 move to the Forefront of the regular agenda after item 25 per economic and International Development page 20 item 43 delete per of the tax office page 20 item 44 delete for the tax office my colleagues do you have any other items to be moved I'd like to ask that we move item five uh page four item five to the regular agenda okay did we get that Miss BR yes okay any other changes there is a motion made by alternate mayor protim molar seconded by representative Salo to approve the consent agenda as revised we do have public comment on a few items of the consent agenda we have Miss Osman she signed up to speak on item 10 and this is a reappointment items 10 is a reappointment of Marina montis to the Women's Rights Commission by representative Josh ASO District Two Mr as as uh my representative I'm gonna ask because I'm here to speak on all those that you're going to appoint um what is her uh qualifications please questions for anyone please your after the meeting they can do one on one okay but y'all are going to go ahead and vote for this person to be assigned should shouldn't the general public know who's going to be assigned to these committees and what their qualifications are please give your comments and your concerns and so you don't so you don't want the general public to know okay okay missman missman we also upload their resumés online on the backup with the item for each of the board appointment and not everybody reads those hey but a lot of a lot more people do have access and will watch YouTube so that's one reason why I'm here to ask for those qualifications and while I'll continue to come over here and speak because people will pull up a YouTube channel and watch it at home at their leisure yeah all the backup is posted it was posted on Thursday that's fine thank you ma'am Miss Alman also signed up for the board appointment on item 11 on item 15 and item 17 Miss Osman signed up and this is a notation of the peard transactions for the period of April 21st 2024 to May 20th 2024 for mayor city council representative city attorney's office City manager's office and staff so in regards to the peard um I was going through it I know that there's a lot of citizens who have gone through it in the past and brought them up I'm just curious why it is uh why it's fine for our representatives to spend some of these monies or or maybe I do understand because it's in Ence buying votes when you're spending $1,000 for mariachi in senior centers for some events over $800 over $1,000 for Mother's Day events at other senior centers because that is where our voting happens in a lot of these senior centers and I think although um the gentleman that you and I were speaking with last city council mayor from uh Mr riva's office um he made a comment then you know what you where were you 10 years ago peard expenses were even worse 10 years ago you know who the mayor was 10 years ago you were so what he saying is that under your Administration 10 years ago it was even worse but I cannot understand how it is that these these expenses are being allowed especially in polling locations because it does give the appearance to every citizen that some of our representatives are buying votes if you're going to do something in senior centers there's parks in rent most of the citizens already put money in our tax dollars through Parks and Recreation Within These centers so there's no no reason to be spending XX tax dollars although Miss hernandz had explained previously that some of these expenses come from not not just the donations that yall receive and that and let's just call it out donations for your campaigns or buy your buy your your votes for solicitations typically but um when you spend it in locations where the polling and the votes are being held when our city the vote count is so low especially in District 2 where spend enough money at a senior center because you have a captive voting audience and it's going to make the difference and it just gives that appearance you've got a lot more expenses I mean I'm sure Caesar's Palace was really nice on that PE card in Las Vegas missa that was a political event no different than the political stunt that happened on the taxpayers dollar when you brought Escobar here with Mr molinar all of them all of these expenses need to stop the 3 minutes Miss hosman also signed up to speak on the notation of campaign contribution item 18 this is a notation of contribution by Lily lumon in the amount of $5,000 I I was just curious and I know that I can ask the city manager although you all really uh are just the face to the public you vote on whatever her city manager puts in front of you but I am just curious how it is how it looks and maybe citizens should wonder how it is that our mayor is donating into a campaign fund for another representative for who's going to take Riveras or at least running for Rivera's office for district 7 I know Riva has gone but it it just does not look right um you did ask Mr liser for other campaign funds to be announced by candidates who aren't in office so in that same respect shouldn't there be something put in front of city council to vote that standing members of our representatives and Council should not be allowed to donate to to candidates that that seems a bit off that that seems even worse than requesting that candidates who are not in office who do not have the ability to vote on any of our taxpayer funded items that looks far worse so I just hope that the rest of the citizens pay attention to also who's donating to who because it seems rather suspicious especially when our mayor is the one who who donates $5,000 to get somebody else in an office and he is also the same person who requested that candidates not in office have to go ahead and put forward that same information just so you know it it doesn't look good want to make sure you know your mayor has the same right you do to do whatever he wants to do with his personal funds that has nothing to do with public funds and so whatever you do with your money you have the right to do and so does your mayor so thank you for that and I understand that but since our mayor is the one who put that out there so that candidates who do not have the ability to vote on any issues of taxpayer funded dollars our mayor is Mr Lis or you are the one who put that put that through the vote to make sure that that happened for every candidate so that was you putting your finger on the scale of El Paso's voting public so you can put your money wherever you would like yes I understand that but I also think it's very very strange that you would be one of the highest Don donors of campaign funds and then also be the same person who have put that item on the agenda and get it passed through thank youman you've reached the three minutes and I will continue to support people that I feel are qualified in my opinion to do the job but miss Lon thanks you for the publicity I'm sure if she's watching and there is a motion made by alternate mayor poolar seconded by representative Sido to approve that consent agenda as revised on that motion call for the vote mayor Pro Tim Kennedy hi thank you representative Federal I thank you the voting session is open in the voting session and that motion passes unanimously thank you and I know we have some other one last St and I apologize but I do want to make sure everyone knows that M Lon will not take office till I'm long out of office also anyway thank you for that that brings us to item number 25 and this is discussion and action to direct the interim city manager and City attorney to implement both interior and exterior pickle bow courts throughout recreation centers of the city of Al Paso including parks that have existing amenities for these activities this item was placed by alternate mayor Pro Mol good morning thank you very much good morning sir I can tell you prior to even becoming a city representative the issue of pickle ball in op Paso has been a Hot Topic and so um I know I've been approached even before like I said being a city representative on what the needs are for the city of op Paso for pickle ball courts pickle ball tournaments uh people getting outside doing exercise even in interior so I'd like to go ahead and take public comment before we continue though yes sir we have a few members of the public that signed up to speak as they as they come up I I remember the first time we had the conversation about pickle ball which was years ago I think I had three people come here and we talking about pickle ball now we have the whole city council the whole left of the chamber filled up so obviously it's picked up great uh momentum but I do remember the three that were here originally I see youall here we have Miss Jamie fiser followed by Kelly Groves Patricia Osman Mark Smith Roy midbrook teres aalos Ben Avalos and Stanley stack good morning miss fiser you have three minutes good morning may I use the Elmo got use the I we need the Elmo please it we need the Elmo please no ma'am they they just brought it up go ahead ma'am you have three minutes good morning Mr Mayor and city council my name is Jamie fiser I'm president of pickleball El Paso I I want to start you off with a question in your District do you have a high school set of basketball courts four to eight hoops and courts where on Saturday and Sunday mornings you have people just play Drop in basketball this is a lovely Arrangement because you can stop by whenever it is convenient for you you know the hoop will be there and you know the people will be there and it's a very successful Arrangement now imagine that the hoop is not permanent somebody has to bring one now that guy's got to call 12 of his friends and say hey what time can you be there and can you bring the hoop and you got to hope his kid doesn't get sick and he can't make it it just doesn't work this is what we have in El Paso for pickle ball they're called multi-use courts and they have pickle ball lines painted on a tennis court and it's the same problem it's not reliable you don't know who's going to be there you don't know if there's going to be a net pickle ball is a very large scale activity that is a picture of aaka park at El in Los Cruses aaka has eight courts Los crusis just opened their second facility at East Mesa they now have 16 on eight courts with four people playing doubles you can accommodate 32 people they had 53 people show up but it's not a problem because in pickle ball the game is 20 minutes you play 20 you get off you let somebody else play 20 and then you get another turn this part here is a paddle rack that's a paddle rack that's where people are are waiting to play so it is very efficient and a pickle ball court is onethird the size of a tennis court it can accommodate large groups unfortunately this is what we have in El Paso okay so you've got your outdoor multiuse and then you have your gyms and they do the best they can but paddle Ro has two courts that means eight people can play at a time two Saturdays ago we had 33 people show up so now that works out to you play for 20 minutes and then you wait 1 hour and 20 before you get to play again we can't hold leagues we can't hold tournaments and so when people email the club and say hey where are your leagues here in El Paso I have to say you got to go to Los cruises so because they've got like I said they've got two facilities now so that's where that's where this postcard campaign came from those are some of the postcards uh we're asking that you please consider the two most important things are that it has eight courts and that they're dedicated permanent in the ground there's a plan for Mary Francis keing you all saw two years ago it has eight pickle ball courts in it they're already working on the Beast so we hope you will support this motion thank you the next speaker is Cali gross thank you ma'am Cali gross followed by Patricia Osman good morning Miss Groves you have three minutes thank you good morning good morning uh my name is Kelly Groves I'm also part of the pickle ball El Paso Association and I wanted to piggy back on what Jamie uh had started to say uh one of the realities of Park features is that you have to put the money to build them and you have to put the money to maintain them which can be overwhelming one unusual feature of some pickle ball courts is the uh ability if we have eight or more in one spot that you can routinely hold tournaments that will draw from the whole region Los crusis does this regularly and this is this is a a money maker that can improve and maintain the courts forever um with a couple of tournaments a year and so um although you have to upfront the money for it it will pay for itself and we will continue to draw entire families into this sport people want to uh uh to know if they can play here when they're traveling it gives a a great look to our city and even uh the sunbow association is wanting to add a pickle a large scale pickle ball tournament um and uh we want to help them and I'm sure they'll pull it off but they can't go to an existing facility to do that we're going to have to scramble for temporary courts to have enough in one in place to pull it off and um people will come from all over the region to play in that tournament and let's you know have a wonderful plan to accommodate them um going forward um one last thing I would add is that as uh as we age and try to maintain or take up new sports uh or introduce our kids to them money is a real Factor tennis is expensive because you mostly have to play on private facilities in El Paso golf is expensive a lot of things are expensive basketball is cheap and hard to do after a certain age but pickle ball is is the barrier to entry is very low and with public courts it's free to play and that's another great and wonderful things that uh that I hope hope you keep in mind in in supporting us thank you the next speaker is Patricia Osman Patricia Osman followed by Mark Smith Roy Middlebrook good morning Miss Osman good morning again ma'am now although I am in the age demographic for pickle ball because it is not a family sport it is mainly a sport for senior citizens so I can understand the city may it is is if we look at our audience we could see the age demographic but now this is the thing excuse me excuse excuse me guys hold on hold on please uh we we plan please be respectful to everybody whether you agree or disagree I would ask for people to be respectful goad I I am fine with that but this the thing is that we we we as a city in our Representatives with their discretion Ary fund do invest quite a bit into our senior centers okay uh we just opened up a senior center in District 2 at Ground View Park the mayor was there for that ribbon cutting and there are Pi pickle ball courts so there's more than just pedal works but I would ask the this Representatives especially when the mayor is constantly talking about the brain drain of El Paso you tend to throw a lot lot of money at the senior citizens in this city because they are your voting base but in regards to the brain drain our city doesn't have enough for our youth okay you've got Tobin Park that has two roller rings it's the only one only Center at any location in the city that our youth could skate out for free you've got the roller derby girls that that do hold events there Tik Tock roller skating got huge it's also a low impact sport very good you don't need a whole team and and the entry is very cheap even for families to go and do I I would ask that the city consider opening more locations around in the senior citizens the rec centers for roller skating do something more for the Youth for families to take their children out to do things for free instead of investing quite frankly even more to our senior sen our seniors and your voting base because if you do want to keep the youth here we have Stripped Away too much from our youth to do I would say start investing in them roller skating would be a great thing because right now you can't roller skate at the on the sidewalks at the senior centers the only dedicated place is Tobin Park so if you have more pickle ball locations to play at then you do say roller skating that's a family fun event very easy for kids to do there's a problem the next speaker is Mark Smith followed by Roy Middlebrook terice aalos and Ben aalos uh thank you all I appreciate that very much for the courtesy good morning my name is Mark Smith I'm a member of the osher lifelong learning Institute pickle ball Club do you tip pickle ball is a a sport that can everybody can play it's not just for us old folks but everybody including this group out here you'll find people of all ages so the argument that it's you need more stuff for the Youth that's for the Youth pickle ball Paul gives us two things it gives us a recreational Outlet where we can go and associate with people compete at people of our own levels it gives us something to do and I'm when I say us I'm talking about us old guys like me it also provides us socialization both of those things are critical to development throughout your life I formerly request that the council give serious consideration and approval of adding more pickle ball courts not just indoor or just not outdoor but also consider indoor the weather in El Paso is not conducive to a lot of outdoor play sometimes thank you for your time thank you sir our next speaker is Roy Middlebrook followed by theres aalos Ben aalos and Stanley stack good morning morning sir you have three minutes good morning good morning sir how are you sir thank you all right I'm R midd Brook I'm originally from Knoxville Tennessee uh this element here is a a little bit different from what I experienc in in Tennessee we got uh we got a lot of uh trees out in Tennessee we got a lot of mountains over here with no trees but I love being here uh because it's a great place uh to to retire I heard him mention ear I heard you mentioned earlier sir that it's like 70,000 veterans here I'm one of those 70,000 veterans here I love El Paso and I want to be able to get out in the community and uh play some pickle ball uh because I did 32 years in the military I did additional 10 years of teaching and now I want to be able to get out here and have some fun and pickle ball is one of those Outlets uh that I Endure and love it and I think that it would be great that uh that El Paso invest more money into to uh pick a ball facilities someone mentioned it earlier uh we share our our court with tennis and other basketball we want a dedicated court for for pickle ball and I think that if uh if we had that you have you will see more not just old people they keep talking about old people but young people out there too if some of you old people come out and watch us play you see some of the young people out there playing there's a couple of them over here now so it's not just old people okay so I really wish we could get some funding for uh pickle ball courts that are just for pickleball not for basketball and tennis and other things but just for pickle ball I really appreciate your time thank you sir thank you sir the next speaker is theres aalos theres aalos teres aalos teres aalos followed by Ben aalos and Stanley stack good morning you have three minutes good morning good morning and good to see you again nice to see you mayor nice to see all of you thank you so much for having us here today thank you for allowing me the opportunity to speak on behalf of the pickle ball El Paso Association I play pickle ball in a wheelchair because of a spinal CT injury 15 years ago I have numbness in my legs that limits my balance and ability to walk without a cane the game of pickleball has become such a joy for me I have found a skill that enables me to feel alive again I have met so many wonderful friends these are my wonderful friends I have embraced the spirit of competition and I truly look forward to playing every week four times a week but I have one big problem and this is when I want to play outside the doctors have told me that I cannot lift over 5 PBS because of the stress it would cause to an to an already fragile back in order to play pickle ball on an outdoor tennis court I must rely on others to lift a 25lb portable net out of my car and then they have to set it up for me this involves bending at the waist and kneeling on the hot pavement I cannot do those things I am asking that the beautiful city of El Paso my hometown the city that my husband and I chose to come home to after he served in the Air Force build dedicated pickle pickle ball courts in the Northeast the West Side Central and East Side parts of the city the senior population the disabled players the middle-aged players many of whom are at work today and couldn't be with us the Millennials and for that matter anyone who can lift a paddle will benefit from this decision thank you for your time and for all that you do for the city of El Paso and can I ask that all my friends who do lift me up every day who haul my wheelchair who haul my net and who who Lift us up in times of Crisis please stand thank you mayor and thank you Representatives I appreciate your time thank you before Mr Avalos comes up I was looking at Big John does she ever have to move on the court if it's [Laughter] only good morning you have three minutes good morning sir nice to see you again good morning good morning my name is Ben aalos I am a lifetime resident of B Paso I was raised and currently live in the northe East where the sunrises are spectacular after serving four years in the United States Air Force I used my GI Bill to complete my undergraduate and graduate degrees in physical education and Kinesiology and taught physical education in heed ISD and kinesiology at UTP in 1980 I was introduced to pickle ball at a PE convention in Dallas Texas from that day I was hooked hooked I came back to El Paso with my newly purchased pickleball set I began teaching my friends family and students how to play after 44 years of teaching and playing I currently volunteer with the parks and wreck department as a pickleball teacher and Coach my classes are filled with children adults and seniors the National Sports Association has named Pickle Ball the fastest growing sport in the United States for the past six years currently 5 million people are playing pickle ball in 2030 it is projected to Skyrocket to 40 million people I get daily phone calls texts emails from El pasoans who want to learn how to play our current pickleball facilities are are at capacity with lots of happy people at Nolan Richardson Rec Center where I play with my wife uh we have 40 to 50 players for only three multip multi-use pickle ball courts every Tuesday and Thursday from 10: to 2 El Paso is in desperate need of dedicated pickleball courts where we do not have to share with basketball volleyball and Tennis a place where we can just show up with our paddle and ball and play because of the social interactions of the sport parks and wck departments are not building one or two courts in Parks they're building 8 to 12 pickleball court complexes that include lighting Nets screens uh seating shade water fountains and restrooms four pickle ball courts can fit on One tennis court pad conversions of two tennis courts could fit up to eight pickle ball Courts at minimal cost because the concrete is there the lighting the fencing is already available and that can be done at a cost of about $30,000 El Paso needs these pickleball complexes throughout the city to keep up with the expected growth and demand last month we met with Bernie Olivas who expressed an interest in including pickle ball in the sunbowl um and the only problem we have is we cannot fit we can't have a tournament because we don't have eight pickle ball courts as part of this wonderful pickleball Community I would love to thank the mayor city council the city manager Deputy city manager Dion Mack and the parks and wreck department led by Pablo cabier for everything they have done the past two years to provide us with beautiful indoor multi-use pickle ball court facilities but the projected growth of the sport in the next six years requires action by our leadership thank you very much for your time and support thank you Mr the next speaker is Stanley stack good morning Mr stack you have three minutes thank you morning good morning sir I'm very happy to be here I'm very happy to tell you that uh I have been in El pasan for 50 plus years I love El Pas Paso I feel very fortunate that I discovered pick a ball after I retired a couple years ago it helps me maintain my agility and my balance my mental focus and of course get to interact with a lot of really great people we have a good time when we play Pickleball I hope that some of you will come and see us and play it's a lot of fun if you don't play now come and watch at least we do have people who come to watch occasionally uh I have a report here from an organization called The Sports and Fitness industry Association that lets manufacturers Distributors and Wholesales uh wholesalers know what is going on in the industry about equipment and clothing and they report that uh last year 13.6 million Americans tried their hand at pickle ball U and there was a 52% jump over the last 12 months in participation prior to that the year prior there was an 86% jump in participation uh they also note that their core participants those who play more than eight times in a year and that would be all of us and many more uh we play eight times in a month easily uh the growth is obvious the need for space is quite obvious we have uh a number of places that we can play indoors we don't have a lot of places that we can play Outdoors without some extra activities involved setting up nets Etc so uh my reason to play is to continue to have fun uh when I moved to El Paso I set up a small business I was able to survive for 47 years until I retired part of the way that we were able to achieve a success was by finding out what our customers wanted and figuring out how we could help keep them happy and uh I think that's part of what I'm here to ask you to do uh to be successful to help keep your citizens happy and provide us with the same thing that all these other people here want and that is public access to multiple courts Outdoors over many hours and in our own neighborhoods uh currently it's time for my neighborhood uh opening to go play so I'll be leaving soon to go play pickle ball thank you for your attention and the final speaker the final speaker is Stephanie Ruiz ala good morning hi good morning Miss Prim hi good morning city council thank you so much for having me my name is Stephanie Ru Salva and I'm here to support pickable and I just want to I want to be one of the voices for here in Al Paso one of the many that we have all the left side thank you so much for being here and I just want to say that I was fortunate to have Mr aalos to teach me how to play pickle ball in high school I would play play volleyball basketball but this is a really fun sport to play and I think this is one of the things we do need in Al Paso because if you think about it we have a population with diabetes and if we just do we emphasize in our health just 30 minutes a day of doing some kind of exercise it would impact the way we live in our health and again thank you so much and we hope hopefully this item passes thank you Stephanie Stephanie I'm looking forward to Big John that teach me so I don't have to move very much can I give these cards to yall oh yes that's yeah we'll get we'll get them passed out I can pass them I can pass them M Prime will get passed out' and with that um we go to representative followed by represent Canales and represent appreciate everyone coming out here today once again it's uh Your Enthusiasm is overwhelming um there's a lot of things that can be said about pickle ball but there's it's a fun Sport and yes I did have the opportunity to play pickle ball once again and it was like it was a fun game it really was uh just very very fun I'm targeting even though I repes I represent the district four Northeast Al Paso I'm going to be targeting throughout Al Paso I understand that but Skyline Optimus park Arlington Park Veterans Park and nor Sky Park but I'd like to read two amendments into the record so discussion and action amendment number one is discussion and action to direct the interim city manager and City attorney to implement dedicated pickall courts 88 to 12 Court complexes and park locations throughout the city of El Paso including conversions of low use existing Park amenities into dedicated pickle ball courts and I'll send that to you Miss bran through an email the other Amendment i' like to make is the use of dist District Four discretionary funds up to the amount of $75,000 and I make the motion to approve second second thank you representative Canales followed by representative ASO and representative Salo go ahead sir just to be clear that was an amendment right into the record that that received a second correct that's correct there's no main motion to amend yet um so first of all I want to thank uh representative Molly not for putting this on the agenda I think uh clearly everyone sitting on this side of the audience knows it's it's uh been a long time coming you all have put in a lot of work not just in getting it here today but in growing the pickle ball Community to a size where um you all have a big voice and and can ask for things like this um so thank you to all of you all who have put in that work as well um I I I do this in total respect for the the item well let me start let me let me say this first I I uh in 2020 uh actually it was before that I think I started playing pickle ball in 2019 it was before the pandemic um but I know the size of the sport really exploded during the pandemic um it was a it was a good way for people to exercise to be out of the house and still be distanced from people um and it's probably not a coincidence that that's the time that I became much more serious about playing pickle ball um during that time I was playing maybe three or four times a week um I know uh Jamie has been trying to get me out to go play I've been in I I tore my quad I've been injured for the last eight months so I'm just about ready to have a clean bill of health and go out and join you all again um so I'm I'm really looking forward to it um I I love the idea here uh I if you watch City Council meetings you'll understand I I'm can sometimes be a little bit of a stickler for process um I want to offer a main motion uh it gives a little bit more specific direction to the to the city manager um and we'll have a a process for us to work through uh so again it isn't please don't interpret it as in any way as opposition to uh anything moving forward you you'll hear the the language here and Miss PR I can provide it to you but uh I move uh to direct that the city manager conduct a thorough assessment of the implementation of dedicated pickle ball Courts at locations across the city of El Paso considering both interior and exterior uh pickle ball courts and including Parks and Recreation facilities that have existing pickle ball amenities and that the assessment include at minimum a comprehensive selection process for potential sites a projection of costs an analysis of optimal facility scale and or mix of facility sizes and an estimate of the potential economic impact of tournaments and league play and that a preliminary assessment be presented during the city's upcoming budget workshops for the FY 2025 budget with a more formal assessment to pres be presented to the city council within 120 days mayor I'd like to second that represent F that's all I yield the floor mayor thank you thank you so we have um we have representative oo followed by represent Salo followed by represent Kennedy and then representative Fiero thank you mayor and and thank you um representative molad for putting this on here I um wanted to share a few thoughts but before I did that um Pablo I don't mean to put you on the spot but I I did want to ask you some questions um I know we've we've talked about this before but um I just kind of wanted to understand what we have invested in pickle ball over the last few years in terms of Courts monetary um parks and stuff like that if you could give us an overview of just sir Pablo Cavo Parks and Recreation for the record uh we have over 35 uh courts indoors throughout the wreck centers this meaning uh we just spent the linings on the surface so it's not that expensive on the outdoor courts we have 32 courts already and they're working on 16 more throughout the city uh the price for each Court uh that's on Parks Land Management I don't have exact but I can give that to you all but at the end of the day we have uh more than 60 something courts not dedicated and they know we've been working hard with them to schedule times throughout the city so they can get more uh time for playing but again that that's all that we have for now and do you I one of the comments that stood out to me from the public today was that it's difficult for people to bring their own Nets and waiting on somebody to bring it could add more time to their their play so are we um able to lend these nets out to people or do we need to get more Nets or how does that work okay he on the indoor uh sites we have the Nets so every time they show up we have the Nets on the outdoor that that's the the when they're they're missing the Nets so we just as outdoor it's usually first come for serve and it's on tennis courts we don't have Nets available for them we have to bring them but if if let's say in in the assessment that maybe if if the assessment that um rep Canalis just proposed and they came back to be able ble to go to a Rec Center at a neighboring Park to get these outdoor Nets would that be something that would be possible to check them out while the rec center is open yes I think that's something we can work on okay um because I I think that would solve a lot of the the issues I I think I think that um um I I I I think right now um we we already had public comment so um if you could let me get to my 10 minutes I would really appreciate that um one one other thing that I was going to ask is how many permanent courts do we have permanent none sir none okay and um I want to also ask about Grand View specifically yes sir um a lot of residents in that in that neighborhood um have been concerned about losing their tennis courts in favor of a permanent pickle ball court and one of the big things that Grand View is that the tennis courts were really um in bad shape for a lot of years and so it was really difficult for people to even play tennis at that point and so um what has happened now is that it's restrip for tennis and pickle ball and I there was a proposal to make it completely pickle ball and the community specifically a neighborhood association was opposed to doing this and so um I'm a bit worried about um not considering the input of neighborhood associations as as we move forward with whatever uh may or may not pass with city council so I think that's really important to take into consideration so if there's uh a friendly amendment that I can add is to um make sure that our neighborhood associations are included in the process second thank you and I think that's all I have thank you Pablo thank you sir thank you sir represento followed by mayor protim Kennedy thank you mayor and thank you again representative molar for putting this item on the agenda thank you you all for coming out here I see a lot of familiar faces hello um I'm speaking more on behalf of the urban Beast Park I know that uh this sport has uh grown aggressively about 200% and um I'm really going to look at finding ways that we can have those courts so that you all can have tournaments um so that we can have a pernament home for you all but more importantly uh we talk about Shape Up El Paso and that's what you all are getting out here playing a sport keeping active so um I I am committed to to continue to push that forward so just want to thank you all for coming and thank you again molinar for putting this item [Applause] mayor protim uh yes I understood there there could have been an audio issue um coming from me can you guys hear me now yes sir yes we can hear you okay I was going to say I'm glad this item is up because I know that Francis Keeling Park in D1 we are looking at putting pickle ball courts in there um I have the same concerns that that representative Canal has had which is I'd like to know what kind of numbers we're talking about financially before we move forward on it I think this is something we absolutely need to move forward on but I think we need to know what the numbers are and and it's good timing because we are in the budget process right now I don't know where we are in the budget process but I think that it's something that that we need to take a look at um I'd like to know the numbers because I don't want to vote on a blank check to do something but I do think that that moving forward I look forward to the numbers coming back from um City management city manager uh the other thing I was going to say is is if we're talking about expending um discretionary funds my question would be to Legal if we're posted for that and or could it be included and wouldn't that be two separate motions one to direct the city manager and staff to come back with numbers and the second one for the discretion discretionary fund expenditure um if you could let me know I mean I'm going to support the the the motion that representative Canalis and representative Fiero made to have these numbers back so we can take a look at making some of these things permanent but I think it's a good idea and I want to thank representative molar for bringing it up U mayor poam there is only one motion there's an amendment to the item 25 by represent molar but no motion was made the first motion that was made is by representative Canales okay thank you mayor thank you um represent FOH followed by representa nandes uh thank you mayor um I hope you can hear me clearly first and foremost I want to thank representative M AR for putting this on the agenda um as we heard from public comment there's a need and um there would be nothing better for us to do for Community than to help the community get in better shape and this is a big step forward mayor I also want to um thank uh the parks department I can tell you that from uh my perspective in District uh six Marty Robbins really tries to balance and and keep everybody happy both the tennis player um both the pickleball players the volleyball players the basketball players and it's it's a big job that they have out there trying to keep uh everybody at that um at Mar robs um happy because it's thank God that it's a very busy um and and um recreation center and there's a lot of people out there uh playing uh so I'm very proud to um second this motion I do believe like re mayor protim Kenny said we can't just write a blank check we need to talk about what we're the amount we're talking about amount that we have budgeted where we won't add to the budget uh to to increase uh um um the pick and ball facilities but absolutely I I I think representative Gales really hit it on the head when he when he brought those points and and making sure that we know what we're talking about and we know what we're asking um to invest in in this project thank you mayor thank you sir repr nandes first I wanted to thank all of the pickle all um members who've joined us today you all did it such a phenomenal job we know when the pickle ball folks are in City Hall and it is because of your engagement we're going to be able to find some unity and consensus so that we can bring you the public amenities that you need um I agree that this is so essential for that human connection and I've seen that friendship within each of and every one of you and it's it's very admirable I wonder where where are my friends I I think I need to come join uh your friendship groups um and so but it's more than just human human connection it is your improvement of your health and most importantly your Civic engagement and that's what you're doing here today uh so in unity will make a difference um I hear that there is a difference um in what everybody wants and and I think uh representative Canales has uh provided an eloquent um resolution to meet everybody's concerns and needs ultimately I would agree that this process is going to be the most productive process we could die on The Sword right now and just it it not move forward or we can strategically um ask the city management to look at Three core components you want more courts but you want them permanent and you want to see eight courts or more so that you can uh coordinate easily more uh tournaments and and additional games right um and so as part of of that assessment we have to consider those three core components um it the budgetary resources are important as well um considering that our parks department is like severely underfunded that what they do in these departments in our employees I mean not only do they work in the Parks and Recreation departments but they're also doing public engagement and then Winterfest months it's it's such an incredible um Mountain that they have to move to provide these services so I want to respect that um so those resources are limited and the majority of our funds are going to people and so limited funds are going to maintenance and improving our parks and so that is the balance that we uh have to lead and and striking that balance so that we can provide those permanent spaces for you and then um allow that flexibility so that other residents can also benefit from our Parks I think we can get there I think we can we can find a a middle ground um I also want to be respectful to representative Molin nar's desire to add resolu his uh discretionary fund and so um maybe we take a look at that Amendment on your main motion uh representative Canales and I'm not sure if legal has any opposition to asking to spend discretionary funds without the necessary resolution in documents um but uh with the assumption that we are able to add that Amendment for expenditures of of of ordinances I would second um representative mol's amendment to add his discretionary funds to to the main motion and then we have to look at a timeline representative canalas so um because we were in budget season did you provide a specific climate what was that uh it was an initial assessment to be presented during the budget workshop and then a more formal full assessment within 120 days um and and I I started getting some questions about well what's the motion and and I think it'd be beneficial if we can repeat it um because it got a little confusing with with all the Motions it's been provided to you in writing by email as well okay uh could you say that could you read it if you have it handy or we'll read it when the motion comes up and like I said most of you have asked that question again twice what's the motion uh and so what what the representative is asking for is a comprehensive assessment looking at the entire ecosystem of our parks and then identifying how we can place those permanent um fixtures and and lines on the on the current um courts and so then City management would come back and they would give a presentation to City Council on their findings and it's going to be important to hear you and then hear from neighborhood um uh neighborhood associations as representative Canales has requested um and that's how you ASO Dr oo requested and that's how we are able to find consensus and I think we can achieve that so thank you all for your leadership and um uh depending on these other amendments I'm happy to uh second representative Molly's amendment to your main motion thank you that motion had been seconded by representative Salo yeah thank you and um I know that um when represent mullar put the item on the agenda um uh our city manager and I as we went over the agenda item he's already starting a look at because he understand it was a budgetary item and item that needs to be brought in to the city moving forward so um he he um him and I had a conversation and he came up to me and he said it's a good idea we just got to figure out how we put it into the budget and move it forward so he'd already started the wheel moving forward based on the item the represent molinar put on there so it's um he um he saw the the importance of it and how it it the needs are but at the end of the day he understands that anything that goes on the on the Budget moving forward is still needs to be approved by Council so he um him and Mr cortinez were prepared to to bring something forward to council during the budget item so again thank you for that uh Representative no we're done I guess uh so now miss Prime you got a job to kind of unscramble everything and and let us vote on it on in order please and I'm not sure what council would like to do representative um molard made a made two amendments to his agenda language because he had not made a motion yet to approve his item he I'm I'm um interpreting that he made amendments to his agenda language yes there was two yes ma'am and then representative Canales made a main motion on that item and then representative aavo made another amendment I'm not sure sir your amendment was to the agenda language or to representative canalysis item to representative canalysis item okay okay so we can we'll take it in the order you have it there ma'am so I we take the Amendments first we'll take the amendment from mol the first one and that amendment was to amend the agenda language to read discussion and action to direct the interim city manager and City attorney to implement dedicated pickle ball pickle ball courts 8 to 12 Court complexes in park locations throughout the city of Al Paso including conversions of low use existing Park amenities into dedicated pickle ball courts that's the first amendment and this amends the agenda language on that motion call for the mayor I had request mayor don't we have a a motion in a second no she's taking the Amendments first sir and then she'll take the motion after the Amendments that's how the order will do represent Canales yeah again this is more of just a process question are we able to amend agenda language on the floor without a motion there was a motion made oh no I see what you're saying there was no M motion there was there was no main motion that's why I said his Amendment would amend the agenda language because there's not a main motion on that on the on that item okay but amending the agenda language has no impact on what's ultimately adopted by motion correct by the main motion not not if your motion passes okay so it's up to council whether they want to proceed with this amendment and vote on this amendment it was second it by and I so I would like to I think that the best way to do it to be honest with you which is not and you tell me if it's okay to do it this way is to take the motion and then do the amendments to the motion just because there's no motion to add the amendments to just like what do you think parliamentary procedure dictates you to take amendments first right that's what I'm saying what do you think M FR cuz the Motions are going to be not on the amend he didn't put the motion right there was no there was no motion on his item before he made the amendments to so so how do we take his but I did make a motion to approve I did not hear your motion to I didn't hear it either you made a motion to approve your your amendments if I'm not mistaken and and I I still have a question about discretionary funds being amended and if legal could let us know it's legal hi Jose Flo is from legal you would make a separate motion for that right that doesn't have to be accompanied by the amendment resolution uh showing the the public use of the funds depending on the dollar amount my guess is it's going to exceed $1,000 it was $755,000 75,000 would definitely require a resolution you can do it that would be a separate posting I would be happy to support it in in the next meeting but I don't I just don't think that we can do it we we'll get a legal opinion on that okay mayor mayor do I remove my second if it's not being able to get done so I I remove my second okay she removes her second on on the Amendments so all we have on the is uh your motion no representative oo's uh Amendment and then your motion okay so may may may I one one last final thing I'm happy to make that as a friendly so we don't have to vote on another amendment I'm happy to do that as a friendly Amendment to the motion go ahead sir um so he wants to add represent O's motion as a friendly Amendment to input from neighborhood associations if that makes it easier okay m p yes all right so let's take okay the motion so your the the motion then that we have remaining is a motion from representative Canales and that was second it by representative Federal and I'll read it into the record and this is this to direct the city manager to conduct a thorough assess ment of the implementation of dedicated pickle ball Courts at locations across the city of Al Paso considering both interior and exterior pickle ball courts and including Parks and Recreation facilities that have existing pickle ball amenities and that the assessment include a minimum a comprehensive selection process for potential sites a projection of costs an analysis of optimal facility scale and or mix of facility sizes and an estimate of the potential economic impact of tournaments and league play and that a PR preliminary assessment be presented during the city's upcoming budget workshops for the FY 2025 budget with a more formal assessment to be presented to the city council within 120 days and to include neighborhood associations in the process is that correct um yes I if if possible if we can just uh add one more comma after Le play with a clause reading and to collect input from neighborhood associations okay just for cleanliness sake okay so you wanted to read to direct the city manager to conduct a thorough assessment of the implementation of dedicated pickle ball Courts at locations across the city of Al Paso considering both interior and exterior pickle ball courts and including Parks and Recreation facilities that have existing pickle ball amenities and that the assessment includes a minimum a comprehensive selection process for potential sites a projection of costs an analysis of optimal facility scale Andor mix of facility sizes and an estimate of the potential economic impact of tournaments and League Play comma and to include input from neighborhood associations in the process and that a preliminary assessment be presented during the city's upcoming budget workshops for the FY 2025 budget with a more formal assessment to be presented to the city council within 120 days is that is that okay yes ma'am thank you sir okay on that we just need to see if rep Fiero still holds the second after the uh friendly Amendment rep I have a friendly second thank you sir so it's been seconded by representative feral as just read into the record on that motion call for the vote mayor protim Kennedy I thank you representative Federal I thank you in the voting session and that motion passes unanimously and just uh for po point of information uh talk to the City attorney and city manager and represent mullar will bring his item back for the 75,000 in in 2 weeks to be considered so thank and again thank you represent molar I think that uh this um this will take a lot of work but uh nothing would have ever been started nothing would have ever been mentioned without your thinking forward and wanting to be able to do something like this it's a it's a lot of work to do it Citywide and a lot of expenses but uh the motion and and having all these um people here would never have gotten started or moved forward without your thinking and your Forward Thinking so I I thank you for doing that and I thank you all for being here thank you and with that I think we have item five then uh Mass trans yes sir thank you item five was moved to the regular agenda and this is that the mayor be authorized to sign an interlocal agreement entered into and by Between the city of Al Paso and the district attorney of the 34th Judicial District for the disposition of forfeited property in accordance with chapter 59 of the Texas code of criminal procedure canes you have question on it thank you mayor um I'm wait for the room to clear a moment if that's okay good morning we wait well we're waiting good morning Chief good morning Julian Saga assistant chief will passo Police Department all right I think we're quiet enough um yeah I asked to move this item to the regular agenda um I know I I had this conversation uh with the chief last year uh and I want to make it abundantly clear that this has I I I have no concern with uh our Police Department or how you choose to use these funds um I I want to express again very clearly I have a I have a a distinct problem with civil asset forfeiture as a as a thing that exists um I don't I don't think that that is uh uh something that the the government should have the power to do um and so I I wanted to move this uh to the to the regular agenda because I I won't support it today but again I want to make it really clear to to everyone in the police department this has nothing to do with wanting to take away any resources from you you or uh you know any dispute with the way that that you use the funds again it's it's a philosophical concern with with civil asset forfeiture and um for anyone who doesn't know it's a it's it's a tool by which uh property can be seized if it's suspected that the property has been has been or will be uh involved in a crime and that property can be cash or any other personal belongings um the that property is that uh if it's if it's personal property it's it's typically sold and then the the proceeds can be used for law enforcement purposes um I don't know how I'll say it one more time really clearly please Police Department don't think that I think that there's anything that you're doing wrong with the funds um this is a tool that's available to you all um but I just uh have a philosophical difference of opinion about the the existence of civil asset forfeiture thank you yes sir thank you Chief motion to approve there's a motion to approve there second there's a second so we have a motion and a second to approve the item as submitted yes sir and Miss Osman signed up to speak on this item good morning again miss hosman uh Chief there's a public comment thank you Mr kis for bringing up uh civil forfeiture one I I am curious as to why it is or or quite frankly um why there is a contract between epd and the district courts for this that that's a little odd but um when you're saying civil forfeiture yes it could be funds it could be titled property re whether it's vehicles or people's homes in the respect of when it gets sold just so that there's some clarity that within the court process it has been very difficult for people to actually fight for their property back in fact during these civil forfeitures the the amount of legal fees it takes for some people when you when you do the research into this to actually get their their property back is outrageous so that is why a a lot of times they just walk away so even if it was done under good cause but the times when it's not done under good cause people still walk away so I do thank you Mr caneles for for pointing that out because there is a a problem with civil forat and to just put it through as though you know what let people lose their funds lit because quite frankly there are problems with although you won't say it I'm going to say it there are problems within our El Paso PD in our local law enforcement um that is not a secret we've had our own law enforcement be arrested for various criminal issues but perhaps on the Civil fatures that there needs to be some other procedures put in so that it's just not an automatic in regards to real property homes or Vehicles something else other than just the cash um because right now it is a huge issue and I do worry about how they are going to use the funds so I think other amendments need to be added to it if if possible thank you with that we have a motion in a second yes sir the motion was made by mayor potim Kennedy seconded by representative salido to approve on that motion call for the vote mayor protim Kennedy I thank you representative Federal I thank you and the voting session and that motion passes 621 representative Canales voting a the remainder of council voting I the motion does carry thank you thank you Chief and chief that we'll take mass transit now do we have a motion to recess uh adjourn for Mass transfer motion to recess second there's a motion in a second to recess a regular city council meeting in order to conduct the mass transit Department board meeting all in favor I anyone opposed and the me the regular city council meeting is in recess at 10:46 a.m. good morning this is a meeting of the Alo mass transit Department board on Tuesday July 2nd 2024 it is 10:46 a.m. present and presiding is Chairman ler also present and council chambers our board members acedo ernandez molinar salido and Canales joining us via video conference our board members Kennedy and Fierro and board member Riva has requested to be excused there is one member of the public signed up to speak Mr Strummer yes are you morning yeah I'm here okay your his topic is thank you for the shelter on pelicano and George deer cooling center next to the transit centers Mr Strummer thank you I appreciate the opportunity to speak I really appreciate the uh shelter at Petty conell at George Ceder I've been having trouble getting a hold of you I did write U son Metro a a thank you letter for it um we are I'm hoping for a u cooling centers at the transit center we don't want our seniors or anyone else to come down with cardiovascular problems or Strokes particularly down at East SLA and um uh the Far East El Paso new terminal uh the sun is just blazing hot and my thought is maybe some exigency funds or discretionary funds some way could be used to buy Academy um shelter four four uh four leg uh shelters with the little sprayer on them and hand out water uh our nation is is having cooling centers uh all 50 states and it's time uh for our our people um they are really really hot you wouldn't understand it unless you're out there uh when it's 102 it's actually 15 degrees hotter particularly downtown here so I was asking um perhaps um we could think of it for for our seniors and and the young children too because they are brutally hot with the with the with the shade is necessary thanks so much for hearing me and I appreciate all that's been done um by Sun Metro to help thank you thank you Mr Strummer thank you sir all matters listed under the consent agenda will be considered by mass transit Department board to be routine and will be enacted by one motion unless separate discussion is requested by board members prior to the vote members of the audience may ask questions regarding items on the consent agenda when the vote has been taken If an item has not been called out for separate discussion the item has been approved the mass transit Department board May however reconsider any item at any time during the meeting the consent agenda is items 1 through 4 is there a motion to approve the consent agenda second there's a motion in two seconds who Moved motion second motion made by board member salido seconded by board member molinar voting session is open Mr chair yes board member Kennedy I board member Fierro I thank you and the con agenda has been approved unanimously item number five is the only item on the regular agenda and this is discussion and action to issue a purchase order for solicitation 2024 0067 volto Pine parts and services to volto Pine Railway systems s Trak LLC the sole and authorized distributor for a term of 3 years for an estimated amount of $160,000 motion to approve we got two two need seconds we have a second now representative um we have a motion made by board member Kennedy seconded by board member actually representative at NES motion you want me to take I'll take board board member Hernandez seconded by board member Canales H yes and this is to approve item number five voting session is open board member Kennedy I board member Fiero I Mr chairman yes ma'am thank you and the item has been approved unanimously is there a motion to adjourn move to adjourn second all those in favor I I second the all those in in opposition and we will return the mass transit Department board meeting for July 2nd 2024 at 10:52 a.m. move to reconvene the city council meeting there's a motion in a second to reconvene the regular city council meeting all in favor I anyone opposed and the regular city council meeting is back in session at 10:52 a.m. we now turn to to page number 18 to items 38 and 39 and 40 those were items were moved to the regular to the Forefront of the agenda item 38 is discussion and action on a resolution authorizing the city manager to sign a chapter 380 economic development program agreement between the city of Al Paso Texas and notes live Inc in support of the construction of a 12,500 seat ampi theater at northeast corner of Cohen Avenue in Gateway Boulevard North item 39 is a public hearing in of an ordinance authorizing the city manager to sign a contract of sale with notes life Inc a Colorado Corporation for the sale of approximately 17 Acres of property located at the northeast corner of Cohen Avenue and Gateway Boulevard North and item number 40 is a public hearing of an ordinance approving amendment number three to the final project and financing plan for tax increment reinvestment Zone number 11 making various findings related to such plan good morning ma'am good morning mayor and Council Karina braz Gala with economic and International Development uh very excited to bring forward the final approvals for the notes live partnership uh this is in accordance with the term sheet approved by City Council on April 23rd of this year so there's that previous action and this is again for the development of a 12,500 seat outdoor Amphitheater Venue at the Coen uh Stadium site here's a little review of the project timeline so the term sheet was approved and just upfront I'll get into the details of the agreements um the land conveyance and then we have our tax increment reinvestment Zone consultant here to present a little bit on that plan update um but uh everything that you'll see today is in accordance with that term sheet that was previously approved so we did ordinance introductions on May 21st and we are here today for the final public hearing and action um if everything goes forward as planned notes live will begin Construction in the August September time frame it's about an 18-month construction period planning to be open March 2026 for the full 2026 tour uh touring season reminder of the site that we're dealing with so this is about 50 acres of city-owned property at Cohen and uh Gateway North and it is within turs number 11 which is why that project and financing plan is also on the agenda and it has been fully vacant since 2019 um since the demolition of Cohen Stadium there is of course the I guess not fully vacant the we're talking about has been vacant but the um water park is on there and that will not be affected by this development footprint and and then also this I covered it briefly when we presented this in April but I really want to uh emphasize that everything we're bringing forward this is uh an incredible opportunity to deliver on the promise of the Entertainment District Master Plan there's an extensive public engagement process in 2018 um and 2017 to discuss what should happen to the Cohen Stadium site and how to best reflect that um the master planned commercial development that has come out of that involves restaurants family entertainment retail Hotel offices but as always the plan has always always focused on a central venue an outdoor space something that would be able to have um you know new entertainment uses something that's really a destination for the city the goals that came out of that Master planning effort that covers the whole site really to revitalize that site Catalyst for development in northeast El Paso but also the region and have something that's a regional destination venue a reminder of the project summary so we're talking about venue Inc they're doing uh it's notes live doing business as venue Inc they've sort of done a Rebrand but that does not affect the uh sort of validity of the agreements so all of the agreements will be with notes live Inc but they're sort of Under the Umbrella of venue um they are one of the fastest growing entertainment and hospitality companies in the United States El Paso is selected as a target market for expansion and we've been working with them for several months on this venue and development the developer obligations right up front they will be responsible for developing Full Construction of a 12,500 seat luxury and Hospitality venue so that is an outdoor Amphitheater on approximately 17 Acres um we will convey the land to them they will do a minimum 80 million investment and you'll see on my next slide many of these venues we we' anticipate spending much more than that um they generally go into the about 100 million range they will uh be responsible for getting contract with an operator those are the folks that actually book The tours for a minimum 40 shows per year set to open in 2026 so they're responsible for getting that operator contract and managing that operator contract that's going to be with folks like Live Nation AEG these are National touring events um and then shared used parking facilities so the city will retain ownership of the parking facilities and provide them exclusivity on event dates so that leaves us the rest of the year to monetize and use that parking and then of course the plan is always to convert kind of the remaining property um into the other uses that would support this kind of development in line with the master plan the sunset Amphitheater model so that's sort of their name um the venue in Colorado Springs and I think they've Broken Arrow so they're going after naming rights but sunset's sort of the uh default name until it gets named so again looking at $100 million investment these are the venues that we're kind of comparable with in the notes live inventory 8,000 1200 uh 12,500 seats um they have a very interesting fire pit Suite investment model so they'll take down the site they'll do the development and then what they do is they open for investment um those are for those fire pit Suites so you buy that and that is a condominium scheme so if you're interested in a fire pit you buy that you have the actual property rights it's not just a box where I get tickets you have actual land interest in that um and the team can talk about that in a little bit more detail but it allows them to build these venues uh completely debt free and then all of their venues same as ours would be um Premier National touring acts and concerts Live Nation is responsible for the Oklahoma venues and then they have a operator contract with AEG in Colorado here are the proposed deal points so we've talked about developer obligations so I want to hit on what the city will be doing so this is a proposed 20-year incentive structure so we will be conveying the land um and then there is a development note that is 8 years at 0% interest and it is Forgiven able um and that is underwritten by the Texas Economic Development Fund we have permit fee waivers that does not touch anything that would be coming from tax. Al Paso water um Park fees Etc that is straight just your development fees um and then property tax rebates sales tax and mixed beverage sales tax um and those decrease over time so in year 12 we start recapturing some of the incentive um some of the tax revenue again this is just for their portion of the site so they're not getting a a a rebate on the entire turs it is just on the section that is applicable to their development so just that 17 Acres the total estimated incentive value is about $3.9 million proposed incentive sources so we mentioned this back in April but I will say it again for the record this does not propose any general fund sources of revenue so the development note as I mentioned is underwritten by the Texas Economic Development Fund that is a fund that was negotiated as part of the um if acquisition of El Paso Electric provides $80 million in dedicated Economic Development funding over 15 years um and then the rebates are from tax increment reinvestment Zone number 11 the city does participate at 100% of property and sales tax increment we'll go into the details again of that of the turs and the fund and the plan in a moment but um that was put in place as part of the Coen master plan development one of the other wonderful things that we did when we were looking at prepping Cohen we developed the master plan that included design restrictions that was included you know putting putting the turs on there anticipating future development there is also dedicated funding set aside for site Readiness so it is dedicated funding there's about 1.7 million in there for design engineering uh assistance that will help us with the remaining infrastructure obligations so another key deal Point here parking and infrastructure so the venue does require 3600 spaces for exclusive use on event days there's plenty of parking already at Cohen so we've got probably a little bit more than this it's probably closer to 2,000 but on the conservative side 1,300 on site um but outside of the project area of course because we will be retaining ownership of that there's potential for shared use either for parking use for activities um I know that the farmers market had been happening at Cohen so things like that could continue to take place but also as we develop this out um because we still own the that property that allows us to put other developments those supporting uses the kind of the retail the hotels um the other kind of family entertainment oriented activities shift that parking over time um hopefully eventually into structured parking which is what the plan uh requires and then um flexibility adjust over time so the cost is not final yet again we have to go through the kind of the design um and Engineering Process but flat parking spaces are about 2200 a space and we do have um funds available again also non general fund sources um the impact fund which is another which comes out of the epe um Street rental fees and that has capacity for the parking the land conveyance so this is contract of sale but again we are conveying the land um we are allowed to do this via chapter 253 of the Texas local government code that was amended during the 88th Texas legislature so last year it allows a municipality to convey real property with an entity that has entered into a chapter 380 Economic Development agreement so the two are tied together um performance in the 380 means that the land is there and we've been very specific that this is purpose built development so there is a clawback and default Provisions that the development does not happen or does not happen um or if uses shift over time so the land is explicitly for this development it is not a conveyance forever for anything it is specific to the deal that we've negotiated I will also bring this up because in there and I know there's been some questions about this the other uh item that you will see in the 380 agreement is this non-compete Clause objectives really here are to ensure that this development is competitive and successful within the region but also to protect the city's interests in entertainment venue projects um we do have of course a a bond project that we might still deliver on and so we want to make sure that we're not limiting the city's participation in uh voter approved projects that we would be required to do by law and also allow us to participate in larger Regional projects so if things come in um that are a larger scale you know if we were looking at something you know the mckenny notes live uh uh venue is 22,000 seats we want to make sure that we're not restricted in that way and then just a reminder these are the big the big funds uh numbers so construction operations you're looking at your kind of temporary construction jobs over a thousand there's that onetime kind of impact during construction but we're looking at an operational impact uh $261 million average annual impact at full operation again very much on the conservative side but 5.4 billion dollars in economic impact to the city of Al Paso and the broader region over the term of this agreement again recommendation and action uh approval of the chapter 380 program agreement and approval on the contract of sale to convey the land move to approve second take any question you know um with do have a motion a second but I do want to make a few comments um that uh the non-compete clost is really important and if we looked at our chihuaha in the baseball stadium if you read that contract which I've read it more than once uh it's in there and they're not the owners of the facility they're actually the they're operating partners of it so that was a really important part when the chah was uh was passed and uh so it's not any different and I I know there might have been some concerns but like I said if you read that they're not even the owners of the of the investment they're actually the operating partners of the chihuaha and the baseball team and they do have a non-compete for sport venue so I thought I I wanted to make sure I throw that in there and um I I'm very supportive of this item because it's going to bring a quality of life quality of place not only Northeast but also the the city of El Paso and $100 million investment it's a real private public partnership it's a partnership that uh we can grow on uh I asked you the question I'll ask you again that uh what kind of excitement have we received based on their investment in our community in the area of Cohen Stadium absolutely so we've gotten uh definitely lots of interested calls and emails I have a handful of Lois that under kind of initial review right we sort of pre-screen those look into the deals um but incredible we went to icsc in Las Vegas which is one of the largest kind of site selection um retail focused conventions huge excitement about the Cohen Stadium site um we do not anticipate any issues getting the rest of that built out so and that's really important as we see excitement reach excitement and there's a lot of excitement based on on the commitment the investment and I want to thank your team and really city manager and Deputy sh maners for their commitment and investment and of course JW Roth for his vision I know that he's opened a few of them and uh they um you have to believe in what you're doing it's not every day you decide you're just going to spend $100 million in hope for the best you do a lot of studies you do a lot of planning before you even consider doing that so this is really an important step forward for our community and U moving forward um I think it's uh important to also talk about the long-term investment in our community I know we we uh you talked about the fire pits and you talked about um the boxes how is that going to work yeah so I'll do a quick summ of it and then I might actually ask the notes live team to come up because they're going to know the real details of it and I don't want to misspeak but again the fire pit Suites and you'll notice um on their other venues you can go on their website and they have a breakdown where they go would you it's open for investment these venues so you can select you can get a fire pit Suite they have a different range of seating options you buy that that is a condominium scheme so it's not just I'm buying a box and I get tickets on event days you own a real property in trust in that fire pit so they see a lot of folks coming in doing that as kind of an investment model so they might pre- purchase it and then sell it after the venues open um corporations take them down and um there's a couple other things there but the money that they generate off of those sales is what helps fund the construction of the venue so is this I basically own part of the real estate you're saying and I have the opportunity to sell it at the end of the day yes whether however or many years cuz I got to pay for it this is not like if you were to buy a box at a sporting event where you pay pay 50,000 over 5 years cost you 250,000 the end of the 5 years you have nothing you have the opportunity to renew but you don't own the the the piece of property of the real estate correct so I think that's uh something that's really important because they're investing and allowing the community invest in it in itself so yeah that's um actually very very important again I'm I'm very excited because of the excitement that's going to breed excitement and and you know you told me and you just told us $5.4 billion economic impact to the city is that at a the best day or are we talking about we were very conservative with that and we've got the uh economic impact study for that so that's kind of I would say that's the floor on the lower core tile maybe I I would really anticipate that being much higher once it's actually open and operating I got um like I said I got a lot to to say about it but I do have a lot of um council members that like to talk about it and you know it's something that uh oh yeah the last question what is is this a competing venue with the downtown multi-purpose they could have some overlap but that's part of what that non-compete project is there to to to protect is the city's interest in the MPC so it's two different venues though they're two different venues they're not related um I just want to make sure anything that we did on the MPC would be separate action separate discussion by Council right um but we want to be sensitive to the fact that they're in the kind kind of same event shed and so really a lot of that is also to protect us and to protect the voters um not just on the MPC but on future voter approved projects making sure that council's not restricted in that way and and I do want to reiterate non-compete is something that we entered in with the chihuahuas for all sporting events that uh to make sure because of the investment in Major League Baseball uh thank you for that representative Nas followed by represented Canales thank you Kina for the presentation um I have a couple questions but first I wanted to welcome um the notes live um business and for uh investing in El Paso um a big proponent of your project um however with this role comes a great responsibility to ensure that El Paso taxpayers are benefiting to its maximum potential because this agreement Really T ties your hands and so it has to be right and so I do want to talk a little bit about the non-complete Clause because um you just really quickly you mentioned there's overlap can you just Define what that means um between the two venues just overlap in the sense that it's two sort of regional projects with a similar scale um that would be targeting I think Live Events and so really to make sure that there's no issues there I don't know if there's a specific question about the defition defs in the Clause because then I might defer to the lawyer who wrote it just to make sure I don't misstate on that but we have competing venue defined um we have the kind of area of overlap defined so it's a 60 mile radius and again it just limits the city as a as a kind of entity's participation it doesn't say that nobody in the city no developers I can't restrict what private sector might do or County or EPCC or something like that um and so because it's important what's in the narrative and that's not highlighted in the presentation so I'd like to read what this says and then I'd like to ask clarification on what it means um and it states under Section 4.1 I believe it's four I I know I F point I okay City participation and development of competing venues um I'm going to go down to section two the city agrees to not develop a live entertainment venue within 60 miles of the development having a capacity of more than 4,000 persons which is defined as a competing venue competing venue 4,000 persons and with the intent of competing with the development including applicants operator contract uh it goes on and then specifically where I have a concern is under item three and it states the city shall provide the applicant a first right of refusal to develop Andor operate any voter approved project as the effective date of this agreement so I I misunderstood your initial conversations because I understood like hey we the this venue would not compete with any voter approved venue but I have never been informed that there would be a first writer refusal that they would have the opportunity first to develop a voter approved project am I interpreting that correctly if if I can hear from the legal team does item three of 4i mean that I need to give notes live a first writer refusal to operate any voter approved project to include the arena multi-purpose Center hi good morning mayor and Council Oscar Gomez with the legal department um so the language here the interpretation should be um um as it says there with the new live entertainment venue um and specifically highlighting with the intent of competing with the development so uh for events specifically um undertaken by the development itself I'm not sure if that answers the no I so so let's do a yes or no question is it true that this non-competing Clause would inhibit the city's ability to go look for a separate operator if we do decide to build the multi-purpose Center um so here uh we're also have the language that specifically addresses that and that's for Border approved projects so so uh we're not limiting the city's ability to do that um specifically concerning the NPC which was one of the issues that was brought up with this uh agreement but it says for frer refusal and so that's where I'm hanging up on this Clause let me let me let me uh take a swing at this I think I think it's actually in the city's best interest when you have a venue like notes live coming in with this Amphitheater and if the city constructs a multi-purpose Center you have continuity of operators it actually is to the benefit of the city so that you're deconflict different events and you're not competing with a separate operator and being able to do that it actually is for the betterment of of us being able to get good events in the city um and I don't think it's an unreasonable request for us to have continuity of operators at two very large facilities that bring in big acts on touring schedules coming into into the City and being able to do that so the answer to that is yes the the contract does in fact give first rights so that we actually have continuity of operators if if the city builds a a voter approved project that is a multi-purpose Center we we would want to be able to make sure that we do that for the betterment of of what we can bring to the community and I'm just going to point out two um additional lines in there so it's as allowable by law so that would if there is some sort of bond restriction or procurement restriction obviously that supersedes um um anything like that and then first right of refusal still allows the city to set the terms that's not saying that we put any project out and we say okay well you guys take it you tell us what you want it'd be just like any other RFP RFQ we decide what qualifications meet at what we're asking for what we would need that to be it doesn't entitle them to any additional incentives on I me it's in the agreement and I think we need to be crystal clear and genuine about your the motivations here I'm a little Disturbed and and I'm sorry to say that publicly because this is the first time I'm having to understand that you all just tied Us in further in a non-competing clause to to the multi-purpose Center those are two different discussions and they need to be separated it should not be in one agreement and it certainly should not be hidden from members of council I'm I'm Happ I was that the non-compete was specifically called out in the term sheet approved on the 23rd did you specifically say yes at any time that a first writer refusal would be mandated as part of this non-competing Clause ma ma'am it was a part of it was a part of the discussion and the the agreement of the term sheet by the city council back in April of this year okay so I like I said this is complete news to me and it is concerning that we are conflating two agreements and not being genuine and and forthcoming with the public so that's my number one issue mayor how much time do I have because I know you time me Mrs clerk uh or CL you have three minutes three minutes okay so separate from the non-compete Clause maybe we can deal with that maybe Council might agree that we should remove those Provisions because we should not be having those discussions in this in this one agreement I've I've made clear that I would like to see some more investment from this city the city of El Paso if if this political body ties us to this agreement what is it in return for the public what is the specific return to the public separate and aside from the economic development for example non-competing CLA with the ballark we own it that's a that's a public asset I we can do whatever we want in a public asset because it directly benefits us I don't have complete access to this venue I I don't I mean once this is approved we're going to rely on their generosity and would love to hear from uh the the ownership group what type of philanthropy will you be doing in this community what type of wages uh wage requirements will you have for this this community to ensure that we have competitive wages are you willing to share parking revenues for city-owned parking spaces at the Coen site and finally what kind of access free access will you be providing to this city as a government entity and to uh organizations throughout the community need to include high schools and and colleges so that they can access it for graduations and other events and so that is how we have a community-led agreement that is how we Propel this community by leveraging corporate responsibility and their investment into our city in return for a Economic Development agreement and if you can demonstrate to me the clear and convincing evidence then you have my vote otherwise as at this time I can't support this because I feel it's irresponsible use of government tools thank you thank you represent Canales followed by represent thank you mayor um I had a couple questions and one thing that I think it's important that you communicate very clearly um there are several different parts of the uh incentive agreement uh how much is being paid from the city's general fund well it depends on if you think that waivers I mean there's a Fe waiver that has an impa that's that's not a rebate or a payment from the city that um none of it none of it correct so Zero from the from the city's general fund sorry what was your answer zero zero okay thank you yes it is all being funded either by via tur rebates um the Texas Economic Development Fund and then for the future improvements right that might come forward as a separate funding resolution we will either be using again uh specialty Ed funds um um with a combination of the site Readiness fund that was already set aside correct and so um can you explain a little bit uh more clearly to what the Texas Economic Development Fund is and what the source of that money is certainly so that is um funding as part of the intervention in the El Paso Electric acquisition um part of the settlement agreement was a negotiated fund um for economic development purposes and it has a policy set aside it's permissible for a range of Economic Development projects including things that are destination entertainment and would drive tourism um and also infrastructure projects so that is 80 million over 15 years I get about 5.3 annually um so that goes in there and I will also say again that this is structured not as a grant um but it is it's a note which is kind of I mean if you want to think about it colloquially as like a loan but it's 0% interest it's 8 years term um it's forgivable if certain performance metrics are met but if there is not that is also recoverable um I will note also on the incentives I know the question was about funding source but we have recapture Provisions in there in events of default so you're eating into my next question I was like we are protecting the city's interests there are um a number of risk mitigation efforts in this agreement um I I just because I'm looking for one particular answer very clearly you said that the tech stock Economic Development Fund came about part of the settlement uh with the the acquisition of El Paso Electric what is the source of those funds who is providing the funds for the Texas Economic Development Fund El Paso Electric El Paso Electric okay so those funds are not coming from the city of El Paso no or or from taxpayers correct okay um and then you pretty much answered my next questions uh uh can you can you just explain maybe one more time sure um the clawback provisions we have absolutely and you know the the reverters on the land and everything I know we say the word performance-based agreement a lot and it kind of loses its meaning but really what we're talking about is everything is based on real investment is based on actual revenue generated by the site so when I do a a rebate that is real taxable value that's added so they get their assessment from CAD they pay the tax bill we reimburse it um so all of that comes out of there but we want to make sure that the performance is kind of not just retroactive we don't want to be paying out and then the venue fails or closes or something happens um so there are recapture Provisions in the 380 so there's a repayment schedule um so in the event of default termination if the use changes if the venue closes um they're required to pay back incentives that have been giving to them to date on the land provision uh in in specific we've got a clawback so if the use changes the development is not constructed the land either returns to the city's inventory or rep paid market value and in addition that has a damages clause in there as well so if the venue doesn't go forward we have damages on the land um that could be triggered there so it's land or Market Value Plus liquidated damages correct okay um those are those are all my questions I I wanted to ask them to make it very clear that um you know you're not flying blindly into this agreement there are a lot of protections that have been included and I don't mean in any way to suggest that the that the company won't perform I think they are very very invested in El Paso um and we've seen no sign that they won't be able to perform what they're committing to but in the off chance that something happens uh we are incredibly protected and and the city's investment is incredibly protected so thank you for all the work I know it's taken a lot of work to get to this point um and uh I I think this in if you look at the the projected impact and again what you presented is a conservative projection um I think this can be an excellent project for our community so thank you good job sir thank you representative um oo followed by representative Salo followed by representative F thank you mayor um thanks Kina I know you've been pouring your heart and soul into this for months now and really appreciate everything that you've you've put together um I do have some concerns um and I mainly wanted to talk to notes live if we could bring them up absolutely good morning Council thank you for the opportunity my name is Bob mud and I am the President of notes live good morning thank you for for being here and I know that we've been trying to schedule a meeting that the third time's a charm tomorrow hopefully we'll be able to talk but I I really wish we would have been able to do it before today's council meeting I think a lot of that a lot of my concerns could have been answered in in that sense so um I'll just jump right into it I um wanted to ask about other projects that you've you've done specifically the first question that I had was on the Murphy's burough um project and what's been happening since last year there um and I've kind of seen that there was economic conditions and Bank lending and stuff like that and you're going to get a proceed from an equity offering so um we're about a year since that that started now and so I I want to know where you are um financially to be able to get this moving forward I know the fire pits are are a big deal and that's been discussed at nauseum at this point but I I really need to understand that from your perspective yeah I appreciate that question um Murphy's buror is a very different project than what we're discussing here because it Incorporated also uh an indoor music venue and a restaurant um things have changed CH substantially as it relates to financing on those so we've proposed some alternative approaches that were predominantly focused around just the amphitheater and without violating I guess ndas at this point we are in discussions about whether or not that will make sense to the city um redoing traffic studies and um um economic impact analysis um active conversation today okay so but you feel strong financially let's say the the fire pit sales are not going to go really well can this project still move forward or absolutely absolutely we're talking about 132 fire pit sales here you're looking at a company that has qualified to be publicly traded on the New York Stock Exchange anticipates doing so um this year if not in the next 60 to 90 days U estimated U very strong balance sheet not including the project value which would include our recent addition of McKenna um has a has a net asset balance of of assets on the balance sheet today approaching $100 million uh we have been successful if you go to our website and look at our invest tab you will see a Litany of projects that we have approached and um we are very good at uh the underlying financing that's required to execute on these projects um given the um frankly the the the the Dynamics of the El Paso Market which we believe is one of the top five or six uh kind of tier 2 markets in the United States that does not have a live music asset um the interest in the promotions side out of the business in this market which includes its access to uh both uh the customers that might be coming from Mexico but also El Paso very popular Market at this stage so we do not have any concerns in regards to our ability to to acquire the the the the proper financing okay thank you for answering that um I was also looking at some of the um other 38 agreements that you've done in in other cities um specifically I looked at mckenny Broken Arrow and Murphy's Boro and throughout those um I did a popular command F search the document you know for certain keywords um use certain keywords such as non and non-compete and compete and miles and radius and um development and throughout any of those documents that were quite long and as I kind of read through them I noticed that there was not a similar non-compete clause in those um agreements so I'm I'm wondering why El Paso and not those other agreements there's a there's a couple of reasons and that's a great question um when you look at El Paso El Paso in its in it's call it the US side of the border is about a million person market so when we look at a market of this nature if you go into south of of the border to into Mexico that market expands somewhat um that we have to make sure that we have the ability to effectively program this for the Long Haul we're making nearly $100 million investment here and that's a critical element to it the one difference that applies here um is that there was a city project that was in play that already had underlying um support and and legislation that supported it and so what we did very uh with the city of El Paso was work very diligently to make sure that we um um kept whole the commitments that were made through the bond project if that's the proper way to say it while at the same time protecting our interest to make sure we don't have a large competitor right down the street that ultimately wouldn't would would would compromise both uh of the projects um if you look at at a market like Tulsa um there was not a a competing entity outside of the indoor arena we understood well the Dynamics of that and we also had a promoter in tow uh We've contracted with Live Nation in that market um and have an understanding of the long-term nature of their commitment to that market which changes that Dynamic um a bit in regards to to Colorado um we came into that arrangement with AEG AEG is the programmer for both Fiddler green and for Red Rocks which some of you may be familiar with those are all entities that are in proximity and we understood the competitive nature of those and again we're able to establish a long-term agreement with them and all that's a matter of public record and so when we began to look at this to have um a a venue that might be 10,000 or 12,000 or 15,000 sitting right next to us in a market of this size that was what uh our interests were in protecting while at the same time protecting the city's commitments as it relates to uh the bond project that that gives me a lot of pause and I'll be very honest with you I I think that when you look at this region it's a region of 2 million people and we call it the basa nor region right we have three states two countries and it's one community and I think that that's really important to highlight and the the confirmation that this non-compete is not in any other agreements is is really um kind of shocking to hear at this point cuz I was under the impression up until today that this non-compete was a standard thing that you had used in all of your agreements and we have been singled out um because of let's say we want to protect the voter approved thing that that happened 12 years ago but at the same time you're in mcken the DFW area has a plethora of of venues and there was no non-compete there right I mean from AT&T Stadium to the American Airlines Center to a lot of other um areas and if we just took the population of El Paso by itself it's bigger than any of those cities that you mentioned but we got this non-compete in here and so that I'm I'm I'm not happy to see that um up until today was oh this is standard I was like okay that makes sense um I could see why there's a non-compete but you confirming that we're going to be singled out I don't like that at all and also so um if we look at if we break down this language a little bit more you said 60 Mi right Las cruus is 46 mil away from the venue so you're really saying literally nothing in El Paso nothing in El Paso County um maybe hudspith County if we get to the 60 mies right um nothing South of the Border so that that's giving me a lot of pause so I thank you for confirming that and being very honest with me um and and I appreciate you coming and looking forward to meeting with you tomorrow yeah and I'm just going to point of clarification the mckin deal does have a radius clause and that's what the starting point for the language was um so that's the case I think Bob's talking about our specific language the voter approved projects the first right that has to do with our particular venue interactions um I think there's also a question about the limitation of that it's unlikely but not impossible that the city would choose to participate in projects outside of our jurisdiction um but of course again this only restricts us it doesn't restrict any other entity um and then there are those parameters around it so it's voter approved larger scale projects would still be on the docket so if there was again for some reason an an NFL team wanted to relocate here or there was something that was not deemed to be competitive with this venue so something Sports focused something that was purpose built for um I mean primarily you see it for sports but for some other sort of thing um that would still all be allowable under this uh clause and and I'm looking at the McKinny one and I don't see the radius Clos and you just said that there was none just so I'm trying to I was like mayor just confir yeah it is it say that again mayor yeah the the there you're looking at two very different markets um so it's a it's a about a seven and a half to eight million person Market there's one other outdoor Amphitheater um that is very different than what we are building and that is the basis of of believing that the market can can do that here in in the state of uh in the city of El Paso um we work very diligently to protect the city's uh intended and defined objective for the the downtown project it this language was very particular in making sure that that was protected um so I I understand your concern and would be happy to talk through it further big key to this is you in the in the process of building a facility like this um there has to be a promoter that would come along with it and we're very convinced that that's the case it's a part of our agreement promoters will come into these uh but not in the event that there is an oversaturation of ass asss that would be available for other promoters to come into from the perspective of um having two competing events on a night and so having the 4,000 below and the 12,000 and above which is is a significant divide in terms of capacity and products that can be put into bear uh we felt like it was a an an even way to to sort that out thank you thank you his 10 minutes are up um now let me make sure I I caught what you were saying maybe I misunderstood the reent on the other venues is you're using the same promoter for you and the other venues is that correct well in in in in Colorado we have a promoter that that is very active in Colorado and so they understood the Dynamics and so that is AEG in the case of of Tulsa lav nation has committed to that market uh in the case of El Paso what we're creating is a framework where there'll be a strong commitment from those promoters because they know that they've got a facility uh that they can give a long-term commitment to of that nature and they'd be happy to to to as is drafted in the agreement to also program a 4,000 person venue which is consistent with what is in the uh in the in the bond package um but the the key here was there was an existing uh City established uh entertainment venue um we we asked what was the anticipated size of that venue um we set the expectation above that number and at the end of the day we felt like we could find a a ground where we could make this long-term investment without having the compromise of having u a city supported competitor right down the street yeah and and I understood I just want to make sure I heard what you said and uh that um that that makes a huge huge difference now you do know that luses we we don't control New Mexico I mean what happens in New Mexico has nothing to do with us and that uh you know we control our non-compete would be in our area uh it wouldn't be in you know on the other side of the Border in Mexico then we we have no jurisdiction over that regardless whether it's you know 60 Mi or not if lusus is 45 miles away we have no jurisdiction over New Mexico New Mexico is actually closer than that so we're we're just talking about within the El Paso City Limits is what we control understood I mean one of the interesting dynamics that we're seeing with this El Paso Market is we uh in a typical facility you would anticipate about 25 to 30% coming from outside the MSA for a large scale concert like this and we're being told based on the emergence of significant participation in the Latino genre of music that we could see as high as 40 to 50% of the folks coming to concert coming from outside the tax base uh in El Paso no and I appreciate that and I think that that creates a a big um big draw Al Paso from Mexico and that's something we look at when we look at Economic Development and growth to our community that's that's really really huge for us so I thank you for that representative uh Salo followed Again by representative um furo and then representative um o thank you mayor um and thank you also to life's not notes life to being here and investing in our community we appreciate it um also want want to thank the staff for really putting a lot of work uh into this I know that the 380 agreement was posted on Thursday and so I didn't really hear much from a constituents but yesterday you know all the questions rolled in and so I was just really trying to answer them all and and um I did reach out to to Economic Development I I asked for that 5.4 um economic impact report but I I didn't receive it because I didn't get a lot of questions in regards to that um but I know that I'm the voice of my district and so I want to go ahead and ask a lot of the questions that they asked me so I know that on the um they got a hold of I guess a presentation you all had I didn't get the opportunity to read yall's agreement with I guess mckin and uh they'd asked um they're getting covered seats and parking and and why are we not getting covered seats and parking was one of their questions I'll take first stab at it but I think Bob's going back me up here the city is constructing in the EDC that's part of the mckin deal is that's their they're responsible for those infrastructure costs um so since we still have we're going to be responsible for fr for providing the parking that's something that could be an option there um in terms of the parking it will just depend on how we do the design and Engineering for our portion um the seats I believe this will still have the roof parts of covered this Amphitheater will be covered in the exact same way that mckenny is um to give you a sense of its overall structure there's a lower seating bow followed by the fire pit Suites followed by a high Hospitality we call it the owner Suites which will house about 350 people in a a conditioned um higher Hospitality area followed by uh a second set of seating and then there will be bench seating in the rear uh all of that covered with a um it's called um um aeronautic Steel type of of roofing so shade uh fans um in addition to adjacent parking in the case of McKenna um McKenna conveyed 46 Acres different than the smaller plat that we have here it is 46 Acres that is located at the corner of 75 and and one 21 and so it's appraise value in 2022 was over $35 million um and so that coupled with um additional cash substantially many multiples times the cat of economic support UPF front um is why we were able to build the parking adjacent to the to the facility in this case uh there's a substantial amount of of parking that's available that can be multi-use so we're not pouring concrete for 55 times of use per year which seems a good use of both um um the asset as well as the environment and so we felt like it was a better partnership to approach it from that perspective with substantially less cash out of pocket on the incentive side of the equation thank you that's really good to know that was one of like one of their biggest concerns um amongst others um the next one was the impact fees right um I think we read here on the presentation first 1 million paid by notes live and I know that in regards to us we're just completely waving that um so this is not within an impact fee area for the city of El Paso so what they are getting waved are development fees so that's going to be your titles 18 1920 so that's related to your zoning and platting Provisions um it does not of course wave fees that we do not assess so El Paso Electric El Paso water um Tex do if any of those are needed uh notes live will be responsible for their own kind of development and fee structures there getting the any permits that are needed so it really is just kind of what we have in house and that's standard language across most of our 380 agreement so that's not any different than you know other projects that you all have seen in the past couple of months or even you know going back years it's the same set of fee waivers yeah no no it was extremely prevalent to my district just because impact fees was so aggressive I think that's why no so impact fees are not waved they're not applicable to that is why the question was really asked because you know that was really pronounced in the last couple of months and so they really wanted to know if they're you all you know being responsible and being a a partner in in investing in our community like that so that's a good um for me to share that answer the next one they asked about hosting graduation culture events familyfriendly Community Civic events they they said that there was really nothing prescriptive or prescribed that we we that they're willing to partner up on that is is that correct so it's not a requirement of the 380 but again if you've got 40 or 50 or however many events are set on non- touring days the venue would be available for booking same as anything else right at the plaza at Abraham Chavez so really having this in inventory I think would allow for potential bookings of that but we did not request any spe specific like reservation days or anything like that um on this venue just kind of given the spread of it no no and like as we are partnering up with you all the community is there taxpayer dollar they're just looking to you know get a benef uh be able to get a benefit and be able to enjoy it as well so that's really kind of they're looking at ways that you're going to you know give back I guess that's one of the best way to say it um and and that rolls into I I um also another part where we read about I think a dollar was going to the city and 10 cents going somewhere else and so they were kind of in particularly ask me why would why are we not doing that and and for us to really focus on youth youth technology and programs and so I'm bringing out the concerns because they just feel that they that with us their taxpayers dollars being being given that they want to be able to also receive okay again I'll take so so no specific ones but I will say even on our 380s for things like the ballpark or the ballpark which we own um there's not freeuse provision right it would be at cost of operating the venue so either the company eats that cost or the city eats that cost and that's the case for almost everything I can think of from our hotel agreements confer uh Convention Center again Abraham Chavez Plaza um the Starlet Event Center which I know we have a partnership on for almost everything except for the CCE the center for civic engagement and that's specific to the kind of bond uh grant funding source that was used for that and you have to write fill out a requisition form and do all that sort of thing there so there's no I think um it's reasonable to expect that there'd be a cost for operating the venue and opening it up for any event um and that that would be there I'll let Bob speak to kind of corporate philanthropy and how that works but I will also say it's outside of this but um you know when the company came to us one of the one things that they were one of the other things that they were very interested in was partnership with EPCC with UTEP for Hospitality programming um internship opportunities so really looking at Workforce and kind of in that sense and so again not something I would tie epc's hands to um but I think they've done a good job in other areas and in other venues of kind of opening that up for what you're talking about the kind of Workforce and skills alignment um you know I think that uh prior behavior is the greatest indicator of future behavior and I would strongly encourage as I have in all my conversations for you to reach out to former May mayor sthers of Colorado Springs um to the sheriff there to current mayor yimy uh in Gainesville Georgia as an example Sam Kuan and and and um Brian Lackey mayor and city manager uh we are exceptionally involved in the community uh in Colorado we hosted the 200th anniversary of the City of Colorado Springs in our facilities uh the State of the State was hosted where the go the governor of the state of Colorado came to our venue and and was simoc cast from there uh you will see if you go to our schedule a substantial number of uh nonprofit based engagements including proms um graduations occurring in our facility including the US Air Force Academy likely use of it uh in in the coming years as we've already discussed it um we have worked in the case of mckenny we've already initiated we have not broken ground yet and we've already initiated discussions with uh Colin College about the integration and need for both entertainment and Hospitality training and resources at the community college level uh there and the same with Pikes Peak College in in Colorado Springs um we one of our core core criteria is uh and we've walked away from projects um because this didn't end up working out in the nature that we had intended was that the community will see this as an asset to their local community if we cannot get there uh we will not be favorable to um committing a long-term investment to that community and so when we look at El Paso you can expect us to be a prominent um supportive engaged member of the community both in the nonprofit and in the government sector in the case of of uh Gainesville Georgia we have hosted uh the EDC conferences for the uh the entire State we have hosted funerals for for for for prominent figures that were unable to afford we've done a lot of things from a from the perspective of engaging in the community it's just the nature of of what our business is and so we would look forward to engaging directly with the with the city to identify uses of the facility uh and to do that at a rate that uh is of no profit to us but would allow the community to to take advantage of the facil facility on a regular basis for for things that were not competitive obviously in nature and uh were long-term benefit to the community thank you it's truly good to know that you are are very much Hands-On and involved in the community um I do have two other things but I I'm out of time so I'll Circle back um and it is in it's just more to the you know I think providing more jobs for local students fulltime but but I think there's two more things that I have in regards also to the the non-compete um but I'll Circle back because I'm going to be up by 10 minutes mayor if I could just take because I I sorry uh representative Salo the first part of your question was about the ticket fee in the mckin agreement so that's an additional dollar levied on all tickets it's not a portion of ticket sales and of that 90 cents go to the company 10 cents go to the city um we did run the numbers on that the equivalent would be about $50,000 to the city which I don't want to say is is nothing but on the scale of the impact were expected here um we again feel comfortable that the deal that we have put together and um you know negotiated with notes live provides us a substantial benefit and so there's no need to pass through essentially uh investment costs to the customer thank you I'll Circle back thank you thank you ma'am uh representa FAL thank you mayor I want to thank U thank you for the opportunity to ask some questions here can you please go over what the economic impact is I I believe you had a projection after 10 years 12 years 10 years 12 yes I mean we do um I think the slides need to be pulled up again yeah we've got a construction Impact versus kind of annualized um so that 5.4 number like I said said big flashy number that gets thrown around that's for sort of the 25 year impact um okay and then we've got that break in 25 years it's projected to have the $5.4 billion econom positive economic impact corre on the conservative side and we recover the cost of uh the we recover the cost of the incentives within 17 years and we recover the cost of the land within six so we are uh and I think it's just under a 30% return on investment for the city there we go I I think you can see that representative yes yep yes thank you so much good now let me ask you a question uh when was um Cohen Stadium um torn down so demolition happened in 2019 um I don't remember off the top of my head when we had the last game there but I'm gonna say probably so yeah earlier than that and how much U positive economic impact has that had in the Northeast since uh the last game was was held there so this property has been generating um I don't want to say no value because again the water park is out there and we do have a variety of kind of um bookings and events but I'd say minimal uh economic impact since the demolition of the stadium it's not in regular use and there's no kind of large um use or Revenue generator out there so so nowhere near the $5.4 billion that's uh projected in the 25 years no sir okay that I had another question you I'm a little confused when keep talking about about this non-compete um I remember it coming up various times um when we were brief in an executive and I remember some of the same people asking questions about it asking questions about it then um so I I don't know if maybe I misunderstood um but haven't you always already briefed us on the non compete yes it's been there since um the beginning again I mean Bob's talked about it I've talked about it the city manager talked about it um the specific language and the discussion has always been about making sure that you know the investment that the company's making is protected but really protecting voter approved projects um knowing that the MPC is on uh the the docket for project completion and making sure that we're able to deliver that project um as approved and as I think the most recent design maybe went to you all in marchish um but yeah we've had that going on for a while and again the term sheet did call out um kind of what we were going to come to mutual agreement on but defined the objectives for that Clause let me uh just add one more thing representative Fe that I think is important to to say on this issue and it's really I just want to put an exclamation point on what Mr mud said and although you may not have a very similar structure as you do and uh where you have your Venue in Colorado and and mckin I think it's really import important to note that there is essentially the structure of a non-compete in those areas as well he had mentioned that in Colorado and those ven venues they have a a long-term relationship based on their venue and the and the primary operator of the other facilities and again the the point of that isn't uh isn't to monopolize the point of that is to make sure that they're able to establish their business and protect their investment but not only that but the city's interest as well in getting uh events that are here and not not conflicting with the operation of a separate operator in terms of what they could provide to the community thank you for that detailed explanation I agree with it I I think it's a a vital part of of making this a successful partnership uh moving forward I I I can't tell you the share with you the excitement of looking at the renderings um that beautiful sunset that that you're going to be able to see from the arena of the great I'm looking to to a year from now when hopefully we'll be able to be sitting there and listening to uh some great concert mayor that's that's all I I just want to thank staff for the great job they did in putting this together uh and and again just to make it clear that there's nothing that was sprung on us today at this meeting that we have not talked about um prior to this and in those meetings legal was included and so there it's it's this is not something that was done behind closed doors or just sprung on us today I think it's a great project I get think it's a beautiful opportunity for our community and I look forward to visiting that thank you mayor thank you sir represento followed by representative ernandez thank you mayor I um I just want to be very clear um the the non-compete is not something that we just found out about today I think it's more the real details that are coming from the non-compete I think the the biggest one that's giving me pause is that you confirmed that the other places don't have that in their language and up until today I was under the impression that it was just standard language that all of your deals have been and new information today is that they're not and the other thing is is that a lot of those places are suburbs we are a large city and like I said ear earlier when you take the whole Community it's 2 million people it's a Metroplex and I just don't see how it's fair to treat us like we're we're some something different right in in that sense and such a derogatory way where this non-compete is really going to Tire hands behind our backs and and that gives me a lot of pause um but if you have something to say um I I welcome you to say something but I I do have some other things that I would like to and that's what we're here for to answer all the questions well make sure it's transparent as much as possible May I'm also I'm a principal at Ryan LLC former mayor of Frisco Texas will you introduce yourselfe May mayoras uh with Ryan LLC um thank you and um I think those are good questions and and first we apologize that it comes across the derogatory it isn't we talked about it from day one and frankly the language you see is watered down from notes live perspective they wanted a little a little bit stronger as a site selector for mckin I want to address that a little bit that's a 20,000 seat theater and we only located two sites in the north part of the Metroplex the Metroplex is 7 and a half million people in the DFW area so it's a fairly large Metroplex and it's a you know looking I got say I've done a lot of projects large projects stadiums uh each each one's unique each one I was us conference mayor Sports Alliance where we address those type of contracts uh we did address uh radius and and and non-competing mckin but by the time we got deep into the the negotiations knowing what's available around there and what could happen at that size of the theater and The Operators the the AEG the live Nations uh there really wasn't competition or could be competition uh in this case in El Paso uh private entities can come up there there's nothing you can do about that that's fine that's the marketplace but this is a public private partnership you're investing a lot of money uh they're investing a lot of money and for this this to succeed here for it to happen um you know look city managers hate me when I say this buildings and Facilities it's just money you know if you can afford it you know what your city budget is that's easy but who's operating who's in those buildings uh when I did the deal with the Dallas Cowboys it's the Jones family we know they're good at what they do and that's what you you're investing in here public private partnership is the entity that's that's is proven and that has the players that know what they're doing to be successful those investors and those entities if they know a community can come in with voter approved bonds and compete directly against them which doesn't make sense right for any of us because you're investing in this also but if you're able to do that and use public funds to compete directly against him they probably won't invest it's a big deal to the operation so where we ended up was in a way that okay look you're looking at the other the voter approved bonds and and that's all you can't bind future councils they can do that and so at least the opportunity to bring in them and and I look at the negative and positive to me I actually would love if you were to do that I I think we've talked about this a little bit it's the Synergy of having a good operator programming two facilities will be amazing it's you can really leverage against each other so I I want to actually encourage that and let's let's do that deal but we're not talking about that today we're talking about this facility and making this happen for the benefit of all and I think really this is just the beginning uh I'm I'm going to cut you off cuz I only have 10 minutes so I I think I didn't know my time counted against you or no yeah um and I I think that like if you want to let's go with your example that DFW has 7 million people but at the same time you look at Broken Arrow it's close to Tulsa the if you put the population of Tulsa and Broken Arrow together it would still be less than El Paso right the 19th largest city in the country and I think when we look at our venues we do have um a lot of venues here too yes um different capacities um some that need some love but at the same time I just don't think that we need to be singled out like this I I think it's it's wild to me and so I I want to I I I want to keep my 10 minutes and I I want to dive into something else and so I feel like we're going in circles at this point but I I think I've made that point um in terms of innovative jobs I I do have questions um out of this venue what is um going to come out of that do you have green jobs coming out of this um any tech jobs any transformational jobs that will be part of this venue those are great questions there will definitely need to be a Workforce Development aspect to this because uh the production of uh live entertainment um um experiences in these days is not just a soundboard like it used to be it integrates audio visual it integrates significant sound um implications and so you will have everything everything from Summer College jobs that will be reliable and and and and good paying all the way up to professional jobs that will need to attract everything from audio visual to costume design to Stage uh setups um there will have to be companies that support the AV um that come in on a on a show like this you can anticipate between 8 and 14 18 wheel trucks that are come going to come in and come out um so there are jobs from all ranges from the design aspects and engineering all the way down to loading and unloading and so there's a broad perspective of job opportunities none of them green none of them Innovative jobs what you say if let's say there's a Workforce Development plan that comes after this but you're you would probably say at this point there wouldn't be any so in the terms of kind of the way we talk about like Aerospace and defense right an Innovative job in that sector no but these jobs are valuable I'm going to say this as somebody my sister is a stage manager she works in this space and so when you're talking about they are tech jobs I'm not doing software design right but there is a technology aspect they're highly skilled they're highly trained um a lot of Tours operate with Union contracts so you can't just have anybody rig a light so I'm going to say not in the definition that we use specifically in economics projects of green job tech jobs but I want to encourage you to think about these are very highly skilled positions and they're often well paid and they're very some of them are can be very dangerous and so they're you know adequately compensated for that and I don't I don't disagree and I think that those are all very important jobs I the reason I'm asking is is from my understanding the El Paso Electric Impact fund is to be used for these types of jobs the ones that I just asked about right and so as we're doing using this fund for this package how are we justifying that you're talking about the Ted fund yeah the Ted fund dollar has a carve out for also tourism and destination entertainment that's how this project qualifies impact fund also has um destination entertainment retail things that spur outside investment um it's not just for um the infrastructure uh again I know the speak the talking points on that are very heavily Advanced manufacturing Aerospace and defense but there's a whole list of key and Target industries that we look at including something like this okay and what percentage are we using of the aposto electric imp fund I I mean well so it would be 8 million out of a potential 80 so 10% but again it could be recoverable if the note's not forgiven um some that's recoverable we get 5.3 every year I have current capacity of about 9 million and it refills over time and we get interest on that fund as well okay thank you um and I I guess um with the remaining time I wanted to kind of bring up a point that you said that you would love to um be the operator of the MPC and I know that's not the conversation that we're having today but at the same time like I feel like that's a very between the lines statement to make and I think that when you have a a right of first refusal in this contract it it's going to make the public think that this is what you want it to do all along and that really worries me and so um yeah to to summarize I I just I I really do like this project a lot I I I I do I I was excited for it um I I think where I'm coming down to right now is the technical terms and the fine print in the agreement so I I don't want you to take this as I am not supportive of the contract of the of the venue and what it's going to bring I think it's really just the black and white that's coming into this agreement that is giving me cause for concern and then also this conversation that we just had and the questions that I asked and the way you answered those questions has given me um more information to make a decision for today so I thank you for being here yeah and I just want to address this which is that notes live was looking at El Paso's an expansion Market we presented a variety of different sites to them they selected Cohen which again has always been um post 2012 right that plan was adopted in 2018 has always been dedicated for a use of this type um we brought the MPC conversation up to them because really my job and the city manager's job and City attorneys we're looking to protect the cities in interest and things that are ongoing and so there would be no point in discussing a deal with notes live for this venue if it wasn't going to work with the MPC um and so I really would just emphasize again that this language is really to protect both of our interests it's not to give them special permissions it's not to get get around um bidding or procurement laws it's about protecting our interests and and part of our interests if this deal goes forward is also protecting the viability of the venue at Cohen so just making that clear thank you thank you rep thank you rep represent ernandes followed by representative Sho thank you I I share the same sentiments um as you do Dr ASO I appreciate you being here and you know quite frankly I don't like having these conversations publicly I urge that these questions be addressed um privately uh one-on-one but unfortunately um some of our voices haven't been heard and so that is what's causing additional questions and so no means of disrespect and I respect your business model but with your business model model um and the questions you've answered today you've highlighted that you're holding op Pasa to different conditions and you set you said that as well however our city is completely different we're a bational bicultural uh one of the poorest communities in the country um but one of the biggest cities in the country when you look at our Metroplex which we're over 2.5 closer to 3 million people in this region and when you are dealing with significant challenges like like low underemployed individuals who need to upskill their um employment opportunities and we are investing over a third of your total investment in this community so the city of op pass is putting a third of your $80 million commitment and it's 12,000 seats and so we have to question well do we want to tie our hands for 12,000 seats for an outdoor Amphitheater under extreme weather conditions and I understand you're using technology to beat the heat but I'd be really surprised if you can um uh fix that uh for our city um and then you're you're very close proximity to the mountains and so I do have concerns with winds 100 mile winds have destroyed Coen sites in the past and our canopies so that is that is the um reasoning for for my questions and so the only thing I want to mention Karina um on the Ted fund policy I don't find that what you just mentioned can you refer in the Ted policy where it has a tour maybe it was an amendment no it's a long list um it talks about key Industries for uh permissible projects and there is tourism in there um and then this project was briefed with the El Paso Electric Board as part of their annual reporting on Ted fund and they had no concerns about the use of no I just if you can specifically point out we're in the policy because I was struggling looking for I'm not I'm not disagreeing that it's in there I just I just like to verify it's a very long I mean you you were here for the negotiations of all that correct correct and yeah and there was a and there was a a a strong consideration for Innovative jobs in Green energy and I'm sure that you can utilize some component in your building materials um and really think about green energy um but I do have some questions for you um the city manager mentioned that the there was no intent for Monopoly okay so unfortunately the unintended consequence of this agreement is Monopoly in the industry and so just a couple questions for you do you all have any current interest in any current venues today in the op Paso region we do not have a current interest in any current venues um a couple of points on clarification from your prior comments the 30 million is an addition to the 80 the 80 will be what it costs for us um our facility that we're opening uh August the 6th in Colorado Springs is adjacent to uh Pikes Peak uh winds are howling it's not as hot there um but we are um exceptional in our engineering we have the greatest Engineers we we have an understanding of what it takes to put a a performance on in a a high wind area so just want to make sure you understand we don't we're not approaching any of this halfhazard we have a very clear understanding of the environment we're coming into and we think that understanding the Dynamics that you even shared with El Paso it's a fantastic market for a live venue access like this correct and um thank you for that clarification you're correct it it is in addition to your 80 80 million I was referencing a third of and so K now hold off on on your responses for a second no problem um you also mentioned past behaviors your past behaviors demonstrate philanthropy I respect that but it's not a contractual obligation whereas is it true um that you all have contractual obligations in other communities where you have 38 agreements is that correct statement I'll let them answer that but I'll also say that that was not a point of negotiation or during the uh term sheet approval it's not indicated that that was sort of a priority of council so I don't want to put this F and the company but they can speak to the other agreement okay my questions are directly to the ownership group yeah uh two two points to that element um the city has the ability to use the facility at our direct costs uh one thing to to know uh to understand the facility is not quite twice as big as this and they are committing over three and a half times the amount of cash incentives okay so there are other elements than just a pure view of a or b um there's things that go into any discussions that are the priorities of any mun municipality and we are very flexible including on the our objective in the in the non-compete was to you guys are making a significant commitment to Cen District you're looking at us and saying are they going to be a good partner we're making a significant commitment um the return on that investment to the city of El Paso is predicated on us having a clear view to be able to put 55 to 65 shows a year into that venue when we look at that there are some pieces that are critically important important including who would program it and what would they be looking at in the context of that programming so when we looked at it visa V the public uh project that you had we said okay we understand that public project um it's best to have that discussion today so that we're not having it down the road so we have clear expectations between us in the city as we move forward objetive is to protect it with all due respect these are just conversations this could be perceived as lip service but what's important is the way you uh make the El Paso residence and right now with not with excluding El Paso and holding us to a different standard obviously and the emotional response is going to be well why are we treated differently why is there no contractual requirements for any um venue events uh for philanthropy for usage of city um private Suites uh there was a a statement earlier that the city of opaca doesn't have any access to the ballpark that's just completely false there is access to Suites and there's access to other um venues and so what I'm asking for is continuity between your standards and the city of El Paso standards and I think we can get there and we can strike a deal um then now that I've seen that this non-compete Clause has very restrictive language and has conflated both the multi-purpose Center and the um uh your Amphitheater outdoor Amphitheater I think there needs to be a clear dilation that an outdoor Amphitheater is a separate venue than an indoor Amphitheater and I think that is in incredibly important to distinguish the difference in the non-compete Clause that would make me feel a little bit more comfortable however the the notion that this agreement ties our hands even even if it's like very little to the multi-purpose Center I think it's completely wrong you cannot conflate the two agreements even if it's in the best interest of this community because those are two separate and we to have two separate conversations and we certainly need to do um competitive or excuse me public Dialogue on that I'm happy to provide a competitive advantage to this company if they would demonstrate the competitive Advantage for op pasant there's no wage requirements there's no contractual requirements to have public free usage and there's no direct benefit to the city of Al Paso in in the form of parking revenues um as well as usage of the space and in addition to that it's only 12,000 seats so all of these conditions if it were a larger venue if it were indoor and there was more um benefit to the taxpayer separate from the economic development this would have been a beautiful um agreement I still think we can get there I I just am not I'm not getting the responses I'm not hearing um certainly the contractual uh commitment other than your words um and so and and so contractual words matter more um so to be clear unattended consequence is that we don't have um clear contractual requirements for Community usage unintended consequence we have to build all these surface parking spaces and we're not going to get any revenues in return for it um the other consequence uh of the creating a competitive Advantage for one company is that we we are you know essentially short sighting ourselves and we are not having the foresight to think bigger have a grandor um type of vision for our city and that is the fundamental flaw in this agreement I respect all the work that you have done Karina and I know you've worked tirelessly on this and I've been very clear from the beginning of my conversations that we have to do more for the taxpayer otherwise they see this as corporate welfare a complete handout with nothing in return to the El Paso resident and and that is a sentiment from El pasoans and I'm sharing that with you because I have a duty to share the voices of my constituency again many things for considering our community understood um I'll just do a few items just for the record so the Ted fund policy section c d Target industry projects it's about line five um it has tourism right there that's how this is just to verify the qualifications and this is of course within the AL Paso Electric Service Area um there's a comment about restricting the use so the radius Clause the non-compete Clause does say specifically purpose-built development um that is backed up by exhibit B of the document so it is very specific to this development this model um outdoor this number of seats this configuration um and that's part of the restriction on there is it's really specific to notes live um and then I'll also just note again just the parking spaces right but that them taking down 17 Acres that leaves us over 30 Acres that we can monetize in other ways besides just parking fee revenues on event days so just noting the policy item again I'm sorry' a Ted it's the Ted fund policy um time up CD thank you question when we talk about parking the parking restrictions only during time of the events not 24 hours 7 8 days a week yes it's event it's event use parking so anytime and then after that it reverts back to the city and of course the plan is still to deliver on the master plan development so that would seven days a week or eight days a week seven days there's guys want to make sure feels like eight sometimes um so yeah and the plan has been always to deliver on the rest of those uses in that master plan so shift that parking back shift that into structured parking and really make sure that we have activated um uses on the entirety of the Cohen site and I know there's been a lot of talk but part of the benefit of us retaining that parking and having control over those improvements means that we can configure it in a way that supports our future development plans supports the marketability of the site and also aligns with our kind of Transit um picking up Metro 31 Park and Ride those sort of priorities that Council has had thank you for that of course representative Salo thank you mayor um again I wanted to thank you all for answering all the other questions I had um I think that really I've heard there's commitment from you and in in in resp in respective to community involvement so that's really good to hear that was one of the biggest concerns I've heard the last one I I had a lot of questions about was the non-compete um I know that lot of conversation has gone back and forth but I did want to hear a little bit more from legal [Music] um yeah from legal in regards to this um U the non-compete you know I we keep hearing you know it's it's not limited by law I mean can you further elaborate a little bit more of what that means in regards to the city of Al Paso you don't want to put one on the spot okay uh Oscar Gomez again for the record so on the language um uh we specifically stated that um it it as allowable by by law um we would provide the the um the first or right refusal um and we also included as I mentioned before the the pursuit of Border approv projects as to not hinder any um you know possibility of future projects approved by voters I think there's a specific part that said by the law like in regards you wanted to thank you representative Salo yes as applicable by law the applicant um has the eligibility to do the right of first refusal so as we discussed if the law requires and and Miss pascala has explained this as well as if the law requ re Ires that something be bid out it must be bid out we must follow the law however if the if it is an something that is able to happen that the company notes live is able to work and to help develop or operate a different facility that is voter approved they would have the right to put in a uh proposal to meet our criteria they we're asking for for that development operation City would still have the power to say this is the criteria of how we want this thing to be developed to be operated under the voter approved requirements um and then they would have the ability to make an offer on that under this right of first refusal if it's allowed by law and so um just trying to further understand like the bidding process so if they have the first right of refusal and you're going out for an RFP but they're the only ones that could really you know say yes if the first right of refusal walk me through the process the law if the law requires a bid it will be bid out and they could participate as a bidder under the law and they would be merely treated the same way as any other bidder so it would be analyzed and and bid out that way so if the if just running scar I can better understand so if the bid is higher than others but since they have the first right of refuse so we would have to burden the taxpayer with paying more no ma'am if there is a legal requirement that we bid it out the right of first refusal is obsolete I see so then the bidding would come and so then why do we have that clause in there and that that's the case the Clause is placed in there as negotiated and as discussed in order to be able to coordinate the two if there is a second venue this would enable coordination between the two venues so that one venue isn't competing against the other venue for the same dates for the same events it would enable that coordination between the two venues if the same entity is involved in scheduling out the the planned and I I truly do understand that part like the coordination I am I'm not you know I'm not opposed to it I do see the coordination the part that I'm trying to wrap myself around is the if it's out forbidden and that's what by law so that's I don't it just doesn't make sense why it's in there for me at least uh I'm looking at it as a perspective as as I'm a big component in a business um I'm looking at in the eyes of the best contract for the op pass ones I'm going so I wouldn't put something if the law allows for a bid exception that would that would allow for the project on a voter improved project to move forward in any specific portion without having to go out to bid that is where your right of first refusal would come into play and so going back to the conversation that I think it's a good idea when you're saying two operator I mean one operator operating so that it's cohesive to what's being planned um can that be in the language and maybe you redact a lot of the other stuff that I don't think it's needed you're saying that was the reason why it would be the best coordination for it so but not then we can re we can take that other wording out is that correct is that what you're saying I don't know if we would want to that amendment We'd have to probably iron out Amendment language um yeah I mean so so again this language has been very heavily vetted and uh lots of tweaks have been made it's very specific to address the kind of mutual concerns in this um I'm not sure I'm understanding so you're asking for this language to be taken out or for it to be more explicit the thing is that it's it's them together doesn't make sense when we're talking about it right you said per the law if the if if it's required to be bid then that goes away so then why do we have it in there because there are bit because there are Bid exceptions and there's alternative procurement processes and we see that sometimes right you can there are certain types of services that can be fit out so the question would be is if there is an exception that allows us to do um direct procurement or alternative procurement I mean you all see it with the three bid process that sort of thing something aside from just like a close sealed bid um for example rfqs right those don't require an award and they aren't based on kind of best value um those are so that's something where I'm like that would allow notes live to participate in that process so it's an as allowable by law and again that's to protect us from we can't supers supersede state or federal regulations right and that includes I believe there's also um yeah affirmed by judicial decree that sort of thing so basically we're saying if there's an exception to procurement law that allows us to a first R of refusal we'd like to offer that opportunity because we know that it would be in our best interest to have a similar venue operator and and no and thank you for much sharing but you know my constituents just Can't Wrap themselves around it and I'm trying to explain it as well and then you're trying to explain it right now I think there's just the wording is just not where I feel comfortable um understood I think a non-company is very important to businesses um in order to protect investment I'm sorry this is I'm appearing bya teams um I wasn't able to get into the office today um what we're thinking about on this uh provision of the the restrictive covenant aspect is or not the restrictive covenant but the non-competing aspect is that um you know there's certain carots in the law that are permissible and SS are that are not notes live expressed to us that they wanted to make sure that they had the opportunity if it was allowable by law to um you know have a right of refusal to participate in the development of any U you know of the DS as described in this uh section um and we told them you know that's filed us however our concern is that you know a lot of bidding and procurement and competitive statutes are very prescriptive and we wanted to make sure that they knew that we would afford them that opportunity provided the law allows us to do so um it kind of makes sense if you read it earlier I believe in the section above that where we reference uh making sure that we don't undermine their operator contract for this venue um because it's a big investment it's a it's going to it's a very transformational investment for our community especially the Cohen area that's been you know attempting to get some work done um and some actual reinvestment and Redevelopment done for quite some time now so what we try to do is give the city the latitude um to be able to pursue projects that are voter approved or currently voter approved and this one specifically um the section three specifically applies to only sorry Juan I I apologize don't mean to interrupt you but I I thank you so much for for adding I just they're letting me know I have one more minute so didn't want to really um I I'll be quiet thank you so much but I I I very much appreciate it just going back back to this you know I just I do think it's important to to protect an investment to you I'm not opposed to a non-compete I just don't think the wording is there I don't think it's it's been ironed out well um and I have to look to the best interest of the taxpayer so that's where I can't WRA myself around that part but I think that we have the decision makers here and I don't know if that L an opportunity to have that conversation right now um you know if if the term sheet is I I don't know but that would be something that my constituents ask that they just don't feel that they're they're being represented in that area and I am the voice for my constituents and so this is why I am here to ask if if they would you know be able to have that conversation um not with us necessarily but here today and I I I probably the best way to do it would be I would motion to table this so that you all can go have a conversation we're going to be here for quite a while and then come back and bring it but but as as it's written I don't feel comfortable I don't feel comfortable looking at the constituents in their eyes about this particular wording of this non-compete second thank you thank you ma'am with that we have representative Kennedy and then I'm going to call the question no more questions so we're going to go with representative Kennedy mayor Pro are you still on I am you're I am thank you very much and then we're then miss pran I'm going to call the question right after that I know we have a public comment yes sir and there was a motion in a second to table the item yes thank you um really such an issue yeah thank you very much I was saying that um a couple of things in talking about the non-compete I I did have a chance to look at this and I do think it makes sense for a couple of things the city has a his for example meligan Canyon of using an existing contract that they expanded um and did not bid it out because they weren't required and it was in the best interest of the city uh obviously I appreciate the protections from City legal which was if you have to bid it out you will bid it out and there's no preferential treatment um we talk how you know El Paso is unusual and El Paso is different but why are we treated different than anybody else um I think think that each of these deals is unique each of these deals makes sense in the parameters of the city and so I think that you know the first right of refusal um was also brought up I think that that makes sense and that's because the city can still say and will still say um you know here's what we need can you do this we still control what it is we're looking for they don't control us on this we say can you do this we want somebody to do this and if the answer is yes then it's yes and if it's not then we find somebody else uh we talk there's the the whole we have no parking Revenue which is absolutely untrue because with the exception of show days we have all the parking Revenue because we still own the parking you know we're talking about the city of El Paso investing in corporate welfare when I've watched this body at times give a 50-year completely tax-free deal and I'm talking about Great Wolf and I looked at the Great Wolf 380 that had been cut back years ago voted on by current members of council and it was giving everything to Great Wolf and attempt to bring them in and there was no complaints when when we talk about to Circle back to the non-compete and the mayor said this there is a non-compete with the operators of the ballpark where we can't build a facility that competes with that facility because they're The Operators the non-compete is more to protect the operators than it is to protect the people that are building it so if we have a non-compete for the operator of the ballpark why would we not have a non-compete for the operator of this venue that just makes sense I mean when we're down to well you know there's sun and wind so I have a problem with this project I have a concern the concern is each of these are different unique projects they've been researched and I guarantee you it's been researched because they're talking about putting of upwards towards $100 million of their money into the deal any money that's coming back is not coming out of the general fund is not coming out of the pockets of the people of El Paso we are going to be making money off the parking lot we are going to be making money off ticket sales we are which we do at the Ballpark also make money off ticket sales so once again it's good over there but it's not good over here I disagree with that I think that this is a good deal and I think that that's why we need to move forward on this deal immediately and we need to go today thank you we you have a motion to table Miss PR is that what it was yes sir there was a motion in a second to table the item and second by who representative oo all right so we'll take that action first so the motion to table let's do a verbal on I'll do I'll do a verbal mayor protm Kennedy table to later how long are we tbling this no we're taking a motion to table of it but for how long within the meeting well three in the meeting to go back so move it to the end all right so Kennedy no next ASO yes Hernandez yesol Nate Salo IO no Canales no and the motion fails all right so now we have a motion to approve let's yes sir and we do have public comment thank you we'll take that we have Miss Osmond followed by Miss Turner well this has been fun okay so there's been a lot of words salad and a lot of talking points on I try do my three minutes and a few bullet points so in regards to Monopoly uh if the city manager is unaware or inter room city manager the doj actually has a issue with Ticket Master and Live Nation in their ticket Monopoly in in how they price tickets for venues so that would be an additional issue to a further Monopoly just with another venue okay so we're going to have a ticket Monopoly but in regards to the these are El Paso Electric funds that we got not taxpayer funds but it's rate payer funds because in the end the rate payers of El Paso pay that our rates get hiked up because of that settlement so it's still the citizens that are affected by that so $80 million deal with all of this sentence in essence they're they're picking this up for about 49es Mill uh in the tars there's an amount that drops it down to 46382 not too sure what that is but the thing is is that um a a lot of Gina's numbers in past in regards to since that I'm going to bring it up the MPC they didn't even bring up the plat there was an issue with that so when there was an issue with a previous project I I have problems that there's issue within this one as well uh first right to refusal yes it I don't know if in your all's back door conversations but I never once heard it first right to refusal no and so that does m make a monopoly not only on taxpayer funded project but also on ticket pricing so so Monopoly in having one person the doj has an issue and I'm looking at you because you brought that up yes Monopoly is an issue for the taxpayers I it's really nice that you all want to put out a venue in the Northeast it needs it molar needs needs that boost for his his votes but this is a thing is that it's also really nice so that the Fosters can have something else out there for the rental Community they're they're going to put out and and in the end all the taxpayers get hit the rate payers get hit and yes it is corporate welfare in the end that is exactly what is going on but let's do a deal and all the eyes are always the people who uh who have certain backers or need the votes right now thank you miss hosman the next speaker is Miss Turner M Turner if I could just make one clarification mayor this is Robert cortinez so the comment about the rates being or the revenue being recovered through the p Electric rates that's not accurate for this particular source of funding so in the policy that was created in the ordinance that was created on the if acquisition in the policy and in the ordinance it actually states that contributions to this fund the Ted fund are not recoverable and aost electric rates and that was one of the things that we made sure to negotiate was that they wen't going to include that and pass that on to the rate payers thank you for clarifying that sir Miss Turner great to see you good afternoon mayor council let me get started real quick did anybody forget about UTF wanting $100 million to get on the the ballot in November to redo uh Suns the sunbow to take in the big concerts I'm just curious how that will impact such a thing the non-compete uh this worries me uh the city has a for the last three decades that I followed the city the city when somebody does business with the city they tend to go with those people all the time so you do business with these people hand this out today and then you want to have your uh Arena built downtown they'll be the first in line they will have an advantage over anybody else who bids that is if anybody bids Mr Hernandez was worried about why do people why are we not being taken seriously the Glass Beach study okay remember that the Glass Beach study that's why we are never taken seriously uh represent Kenny was talking about the money and the parking let me remind the representative and everybody else we don't get a penny on merchandise sales from the ballpark not one single penny my legal department failed us my city manager failed us on that deal if we're going to build this I want a piece of every single bit of merchandise sold because I had to putot the bill for the ballpark because the so-called support that would pay for that fell through so we had to pay every year on the bond every year uh I would ask you to postpone this there are members of councils who haven't had their answers questions answered yet and I think it's fair for every member of council to get their questions answered before they are required to vote I think it is the responsible thing to do give it a give it a month to get all those questions answered now are the to we called the fire pits property is that taxable property because you called it real estate I want to know if it's going to be taxable I'm worried this there's no commitments again the merchandise sales I want a piece of now we talk about our population we only have like 2 million we we have we're one of those rare cities we have a permanent population and we have a temporary population our temporary population plus our permanent populations puts us over 20 million people now why do you you're looking at me crazy 35,000 plus cars come across our border every day 15,000 pedestrians cross our border every day thank you Mr over a year 18.5 May thank you m Turner M PR yes mayor that concludes public comment we have Motion in a second yes sir there was a motion made by mayor protim Kennedy seconded by alternate mayor protim molard to approve and and it are you taking 38 39 and 40 together yes oh okay you all didn't even get the T presentation I think 30 38 and 39 38 and 39 correct I thought 38 and 39 were together yes together they are yeah 40 will be separate they actually are thank you this is for items 38 and 39 the motion was made by mayor protim Kennedy seconded by alternate mayor proad and this is to approve items 38 and 39 on that motion call for the vote mayor protim Kennedy I thank you representative Fiero I thank you in the voting session and the motion passes 4 to3 Representatives Kennedy mol Pierro Canales voting I Representatives ASO ernandez Sido voting the does carry thank you all for investing in our community and enhancing the life of our people it's not only for Northeast but it's for the whole community and I look forward to being big part of it thank you thank you mayor did you want to go to call to the public I sure would ma'am thank you the Alp Paso city council is the local government body charged with serving all the citizens of the city and meeting must be focused on the meeting at charge the City Council meetings are public meetings under the Texas open meetings ACT public common is an accommodation and not a requirement of city council all persons in attendance and virtually are expected to display Civility and the Quorum that is respectful to other persons without the without the use of insulting profane threatening or abusive language public comment will not be used for personal attacks against a person or group character or Integrity which are not pertinent to City business nor May any member of the public use this forum for political statements or campaigning please note that during the call to the public the city council may not deliberate or decide any subject that is not on the agenda however Council May propose that a topic commented on the posted of be posted on a future agenda and we've got five members to the public signed up to speak Mr Mayor the first one is Elizabeth Crawford followed by Steven Strummer Renee Coral Patricia Osman and Miss Lisa Turner Miss Crawford are you on the line yes ma'am can you hear me yes ma'am you have three minutes and her topic is Independence Day good afternoon we're getting ready to honor Independence Day in our nation and we've just come off of pride month um we're warned in God's word that Pride goes Before Destruction and a hoty spirit before a fall um We As Americans pride ourselves on Independence and yet there there is a very wrong way in which we have used Pride um I'd like to speak briefly about a politician in our day who reveled in Pride reveled in Pride for legislating abortion until birth and later went into freefall Andrew KL former governor of New York State um 2019 he signed into law the bill legalizing abortion until birth January 2019 he had won World Trade Center New York City the building fire lit up in pink to celebrate the supposed accomplishment quote to shine a bright light forward for the rest of the nation to follow um fast forward summer 2020 um Co hit so forth we all saw the images of New York City the bodies piling up um the the morgs piling up Andrew K later comes out with his book 2020 American crisis Leadership Lessons From the covid-19 pandemic his famous quote related to flattening the curve on covid this number is down because we brought the number down God did not do this fate did not do this Destiny did not do this a lot of pain and suffering did that hence as aut biography reveling in pride in all that he accomplished his pride his independence his arrogance fast forward August 23rd 2021 Andre com resigned as Governor at the request of the US president alleged did cover up of covid n nursing home death he followed in the footsteps of the Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar who was lifted up in Pride in mercy God humbled Nebuchadnezzar Daniel 4:37 now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and exol and honor the king of Heaven all whose works are truth and his ways judgment and those that walk in Pride he is able to abas we are warned against human pride in God's holy word in Mercy the prophet Ezekiel spoke God's word to the nation of Israel as I live sayth the Lord God I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked but that the wicked turn from his way and live turn you turn you from your evil ways for why will you die oh House of Israel this is the Cry of God to the nation of Israel and in further application it's the Cry of God to to all of humanity thank you so much thank you Miss Crawford next person is Mr Strummer are you on the line Mr Strummer we'll move on to the next person Mr Renee Coral you have three minutes sir and his topic is loose and abandoned animals in El Paso good afternoon good afternoon sir it's been a while since I last pleaded with the city council to address the increase inre increasing loose and abandoned animals situation in op Paso and I was hoping to see a change but unfortunately very little has been done to address this situation frankly I failed to understand why the city council has not been more aggressive in taking action to resolve this issue once and for all when the citizens of El Paso find a loose dog on the streets and try to contact 311 for help all 311 does is make a report and tell the finder that animal services will contact them which could take several days and in some instances never get a call back at all in the meantime what are these people supposed to do with that found dog put them back on the street no your constituents have completely lost faith in animal services to do its basic function every day more and more dogs and cats continue to be abandoned in the city because Animal Services is always at overc capacity which makes it hard for people to surrender or take in found dogs this has led to an increase in the spread of diseases and other major safety concerns including an increase in dog attacks warehousing so many unwanted dogs and cats in inhumane conditions is not the answer nor is it a long-term solution what this city needs to do is address this root cause of the problem once and for all by increasing Animal Services budget so that they can hire more Animal Control Officers to enforce current laws and so many irresponsible pet owners in the city Crackdown and illegal backyard breeding Implement free and affordable spay and neuter clinics to decrease so many unwanted animals my ask again is for this city council to once and for all aggressively address the situation that has been plaguing our city for so long by taking a hard look at animal services functional abilities and increase animal El Paso Animal Services budget will you please take action once and for all and put this issue to bed thank you thank you sir thank you next speaker is miss Patricia Osman and her topic is ethics violations mismanagement self-dealing and misappropriation by individuals paid by tax dollars you have three minutes ma'am you know what I come here and I've been coming here since November my District representative Mr be when when you were running for office I gave you a complaint and I showed you and you know that never got resolved and the issues in community human development and their misappropriation of Grant funds still happens y'all don't care y'all haven't cared since I started showing up so I keep coming and even though you know our city interim city manager who you call Colonel but he's a civilian he should not be called Colonel because there is no rank in civilian life and he should out of respect for everybody else correct you on that because when you say that quite frankly the question should be then how many people died under his command so that he could live that's not an attack you keep saying that and it's disrespect I'm to ask I'm going to ask you step down if this happens one more time this is a privilege not mandatory and that was uncal he being fous before and colon Weston does not deserve that type of attack from you and I'm going to ask you not to do that he's a civilian that is Mr W I'm going to ask you not to attack Colonel Weston one more time Mr Weston Colonel Weston thank you Mr Weston what told me oh being factious oh that's a good question see my questions aren't necessarily the point my qu my my point of coming here is for you all to see that there's true impacts on the citizens and regardless of the donations you get and like I said once before donations do not save you from Damnation Miss Crawford likes to quote the Bible all the time you all like the fake prey all the time it's shameful it's shameful that I have roots in this community over 400 years strong and I can't believe how horrible our city government is the dogs on the street yeah there's there's maulings on the west side but you all don't care hey our city has bred some cereal killers and you know what yeah go ahead and leave those dogs on the streets because you know what the citizens when we look on social media which you don't seem to care about uh we find out all the psychos that are out there killing pets because you know Killers do they typically kill pets so you all are all also by leaving those pets out there showing the rest of us how many serial killers we have Among Us so when we find dead people out in the desert or they're go missing you know what the pets that you leave on the street those were that that that was the canary and the coal mine and y'all are fine with us seeing it cuz y'all don't care thank you your 3 minutes are up and Colonel Weston thank you for serving our country next speaker is M appreciate everything you've done and that was unaccepted and uncalled for and her topic is streets downtown crosswalks Miss Turner you have three minutes afternoon Colonel Weston how you doing thank you Mr Turner he earned that okay he earned it he's entitled to use that Rank and the dold says you can use it okay downtown sidewalks uh didn't see any Pride walks this month this past month and when I inquired about it I was told that even though there is nothing in the code we're not going to do them so if it's not in the code then the only reason not to do them is bigotry so explain to me why that's what I'm here for ma'am we did do sidewalks the the concern was on crosswalks we had received letter from teot I think a couple of years ago with concerns of even though it's been done in other cities that they had some concerns over putting um the different multicolors between the white lines of the crosswalks but we did do uh some sidewalks this year Well given the number of accidents that happen at regular crosswalks uh the more visible the crosswalk is the less your accidents you're going to have and in 2016 the city of Lexis in Kentucky that was having 10 accidents a year at a crosswalk so they put a rainbow crosswalk in there and guess what it went from 10 to zero uh I've heard well you have to use muted colors let me explain something Red's a muted color and I pick red because what I was told was somebody might see red and stop well if that's true then we have to take the Flags down the Texas flag and the American flag because it has the color red in it and people may actually see oh it's red I got to stop okay what I'm hearing there is nothing in the code period you make your decisions on the code not what somebody feels or somebody thinks the code is what you follow you did not follow the code you refused to put that out and I consider that an insult because you were willing to go with that and I find it unacceptable we're citizens too thank you Mr Turner and I know that um I just spoke with Colonel Weston and and he'll um he'll get with you after the meeting thank you mayor Mr Mayor would you like us to move on to item 40 item 40 should we and that is an ordinance approving amendment number three to the final project and financing plan for tax increment reinvestment Zone number 11 should be simpler good afternoon again mayor and Council Karina brasgalla economic and International Development um item 40 is a revision of the tax increment reinvestment Zone number 11 final project and financing plan and that is to update the development assumptions and a number of other administrative items in accordance with the recently approved development I'm going to turn it over to our Tiff consultant David pedit um he's done most of these project plans you all have seen him before so I'll let him run through the slides how do I move the slides oh clicker mayor members of council thank you so much it's a pleasure to be here good afternoon sir um this is a A administrative item to follow up to the discussion regarding the Cohen project um and so this is an amended project and financing plan that includes anticipated development related to the notes live um Sunset project so uh just a little background in 2008 the Tiff was created um in the northern portion of city of El Paso approximately 50 acres we expanded that Tiff uh approximately 90 Acres um and we call it Tiff 11a when we do an expansion um this amendment um does not change the boundary the term the city participation and so just a little bit of background in 2018 it was created had the original 50 acres um the October 29th of 2019 it was um expanded and included the um sales tax um and the proposed or the the termination date um per the uh ordinance is December 31st 20 54 city of Al Paso contributes 100% of its real increment um and so and also 100% of it the 1% sales tax so this is uh really kind of come into fruition of what we planned back in 2018 which was bringing a destination to this site and anticipating that using a her to its full potential so with the addition of notes live at the time when we were doing the um um projections we didn't know what was going to happen I think we now have a good idea a very solid idea what's going to happen and what's going to happen around that and so we were um in order to move forward to make any allocations from the Tiff we need to make those adjustments to the assumptions and so that's what we've done um the Tiff uh if you look at it um it generates $162 million but however the city of El Paso and and there was a lot of talk about um Economic Development impact um what I look at is direct economic impa impact not indirect not what somebody spends this is what comes from real property sales tax and what comes from hotel occupancy tax so the city generates over that term period which terminates in 2054 $310 Million worth of direct Revenue what goes into the Tiff is 162 and so the net benefit to the city is close to $150 million so the proposed changes are the amended project and financing plan which includes um anticipated um development related to the notes live so we recommend adoption of this happy to answer any questions two comments before questions if you don't mind sure um just a quick one so while city does 1% sales tax obviously half of that goes to Sun Metro so it's just the portion that's unallocated otherwise um I had another note and I can't remember it so I'm sure it'll come back to me from questions go for it we got okay representative randez followed by repres m hit the wrong one mayor sorry I didn't make a request to speak again um Mr P thank you for being here um and I I I was assuming Gina you were referring to the on slide number five if we can pull that up um yeah we can go back the city of El Paso contributes 100% of the real property increment and then 100% of the city's 1% sales tax so is that the mass transit sell tax that you're referring to right so I'm saying we don't contribute the mass transit sales tax because that's obviously allocated to mass transit okay so so correct right but then what is 100% of the Ci's 1% so it's the incremental sales tax generated within the zone of the portion that's unallocated so we've got the 2% right the mass transit goes and then the half cent to the county correct so it's the half cent sales tax um collected within the I'm not sure confusing myself accurate goe the city collect 1% that comes to the general fund there's half a perc that goes to some Metro and the other half% the county collects it separate so this is 1% that does come to the city there's an additional half% on top for mass transit the one penny that our community gets correct goes to the general fund correct and then from the general fund proceeds um then you're then we're putting that back into the turs it never goes to the general fund it actually goes directly into the turs okay so so the notion the general fund is not being used as inaccurate okay because those are funds that should have gone to the general fund but are now being red diverted I just want to make sure that we're communicating correctly no and so that that was a decision in 2019 that basically you have two cent sales tax you got six and a quarter so you get to eight and a quarter one cent is going to the city and then you have your other that's going to the county and the other that's going to the Metro 100% of that one of incremental so at the time we didn't have anything out there correct so I understand what you're saying so but it's a redirection of those funds so instead of going to the general fund it's going into a special fund to help Foster Economic Development within this Zone okay and and and I get that and and I remember having a lot of concerns about using our sales tax revenues because that is our second highest source of revenues for the city of Al Paso maybe the third now that we're doing so well in Grant Investments um but those are dollars that will be redirected but will that impact our overall budget um are you because there's a because there will be an increment just that increment portion will be sent to this tur fund none of that's currently captured in current sales tax obviously there's nothing as mentioned there's no property taxes being collected there's no sales taxes right now because it's only city property okay so essentially 100% of the increment because there's no development now which it's it's it sounds confusing when you say 100% of the increment of the sales tax revenue because it's like well it's all of it because there's no value right now and there's no businesses to establish sales taxes and so I also just want to confirm is it the sales taxes that are being generated on that specific site where the where the amphitheater will be or is it the entire turs yeah so this is for the tur plan the rebates for the notes live agreement are just for their development site so that 17 acre property the real property increment so they they get rebates on what their actual in inent an assessment is so it does not affect the remaining 30 plus acres understood um and this was my other note which was of course every time we talk about the tours amendments um term participation would be an ongoing conversation with Council as funds are needed or not needed and as improvements come online that sort of thing so those are adjustable forward but because there's two because this is like a really important question so there's two pennies right the half penny is going to mass transit half uh penny is going to the county of op Paso and then the other Penny goes to our general fund um the 1% on that restricted boundary in that turs 100% of our one penny is going to go back in there on that site or is it just 1% of the total increment value going back into the fund no it'll be the total amount generated from that 1% of the sales tax collected in the turs boundary will stay within that tur boundary it doesn't it doesn't touch any other sales revenues ACR only within the boundaries of the tur so then all of the new businesses that will pop up the hope is will pop up as as it relates to this Amphitheater all of those sales tax revenues will stay restricted into that tourist fund that's correct okay so so that so is there a scale on 100% or is it just 100% for till 2054 right now it' be 100% Till 2054 but that again goes back to your allowable project costs um again a conversation that we have every time we bring up the turs which is is it's within the Zone but that doesn't mean I can't spend that money outside of the zone so if there's infrastructure supporting projects that affect the zone or have benefits to the project um intent and then as always if we we did it with tur 10A right if that money is not needed if we've achieved the goals of the Zone if we've done the improvements we need if all of Cohen is built out in 5 years um there would be no reason to continue participating at that high of a level so we always reassess that based on our kind of current development and I've seen that and I've seen that in the past to be fair it's just no confirmed I want to make sure the public understands yes that the stimulation of the economic development as it relates to the city's portion M of the revenues that we would receive are restricted they're restricted I can't take it and put it back into the general fund because 100% will stay in the turs and so that sales tax revenues that we're banking on is stays there and it's not coming back to City of I think to give a complete story though I mean I mean that's what you're saying is true from within the turs but I think what's also important to know so that everybody's got a full appreciation of this is that what we're expecting in terms of the development in the Northeast not just within the tur boundaries but the development that's going to occur outside of the tur boundaries with this being a catalyst will all go to the will all go to the general fund not only that but also we talked about the economic impact and the induced and indirect effects of businesses that support the venue the services that they provide all the things that they provide they those are are outside of the turs that will also be of a great benefit that'll also uh potentially increase more revenue and I get that but take a look at the landscape to the north is Trans Mountain restricted land to the um Northeast I believe is Walmart and then it's all Government properties behind you so the turs is really where you would Bank on that economic stimulus but we're not going to get anything because 100%'s dedicated there so there's got to be a real conversation about cutting that turs restricting it to 50% because that uh that sales tax revenues is going to be a GameChanger for our ability as a city to provide critical Services because we Bank on these type of funds it's very lucrative right now and it concerns me but with the progress and with the decision with Council to restrict all of our revenues I mean maybe in year 12 we see 25% real property tax increment so we'll see 25% only but then by year 20 we'll see up to 100 so property tax revenues are restricted by 100% to 75% there's that sliding scale but you were not going to see that benefit here at the city of El Paso and I need that money now so I can reduce um home residential taxes and so um I just I just want to clarify for the public that yes there's a fund that's that's paying for this but it's at the expense of the general fund and my inability to reduce taxes because it's too it's very lucrative and the hope is that more businesses will pop up aware if it's all government-owned land and we've restricted ourselves with parking spaces and so when you have so much uh surface parking lots then you don't have a walkable and a community and that would encourage more business so so as this is being designed we need to take a closer look at how we can maximize the revenues sales tax revenues and property tax revenues otherwise I'm not going to see any benefit to the city's portion of the tax bill you also um comprise the the board and you'll be looking and evaluating this I think to Karina's Point as the turs meets its objectives you also look at whether the in there needs to be additional investment or you can reduce that to your point and I think you can also look at things like if it's very very successful you you as a council then as the board representatives to make the decision can make it determination on whether you want to do something like structured parking which frees up more developable land or not and so I think there's a lot of different uh points along the way where you'll be able to evaluate that review the project and finance plan and make sure that uh you're comfortable with the percentage that's going into the turs and what's not so the 5.4 billion income that's generated is that included in that or not does that include the within the turs I'm sure some of that's overlapping with the remaining tur portion but that's generated I'm going to say largely offsite that's primarily going to be your indirect spin-off effects and how much are we generating today zero so without note life we still have zero correct and if we get not live we've you've told me that very conservatively we're going to have 5.4 billion dollar to help the taxpayers reduce their taxes okay making sure mullar thank you mayor um for the gentleman there gentlemen yes yes sir are you you please state your name for the record David petett and your correct title or position I am principal with David pet Economic Development okay I'm a a tax increment reinvestment Zone consultant all right well thank you I don't ever recall seeing you but either way thank you you're welcome welcome yeah I was here in 2018 and 19 when we did I wasn't here so but anyways she me all the time this is a tur I don't really agree with everything that happens in the tur that's why I'm against t for all these reasons we've been talking about but and this T here and specifically certain things you have to remember so um it got expanded not only in acreage size but it got expanded in year size but I speak as the district four representative hey right there at uh dire excuse me excuse me Gateway North in Diana you have Sam's Club 6246 that thing is a money maker that is driving our sales tax revenue you have Walmart Walmart number 500 also on woodr bean Trans Mountain great great place to go shop you have restaurants you have different businesses that are all up and down that Corridor that are not that are not in that tur boundary or even the expanded tur boundary that are still deriving revenue for us as sales tax for our city so I can see what people are saying but I don't necessarily agree with it I don't agree with it and so with that I move to approve second you're also next yes thank you sir thank you mayor um can you please pull up slide eight Karina um I wanted to look at the participation and the the net benefit to other the other entities um of course we we've had conversations all day about the city's contribution here um and what the city is is uh essentially deferring into the turs um can you share those numbers again that the like I mean I'll point at the school district for example episd uh the tur this turs Falls within the boundaries of episd can you share more about that total net benefit to the school district to the county to the medical center yeah and I remember we had this conversation when the tur 5 uh project plan amendment was here forward but again remembering that this is from today going forward I know to date there has not been uh taxes tax revenue generated on the site but the city's participation while that's in there um quite High there there is not a single other entity participating in this TS and I again don't want to say you know things like um EPCC and Medical Center are restricted by state law so they can't participate but the school district which is usually the largest chunk of your property taxes County which collects a portion of sales tax so they still receive the full Revenue that is generated off of anything within this turs um also on episd part of that expansion of the tur boundary does cover a large piece of land that is to cover land that is in the El Paso ISD inventory I think with the idea that um at some point if they off sell it we would be able to assist with development out there I that gets at the question if you want me to read off the long numbers no that's okay well uh it's there on the screen people can see it well so 1 uh6 billion dollar in uh total net benefit to taxing entities that does still include the city of El Pasto because obviously we don't participate on hot um and there are some other types of taxes and money we would anticipate seeing so we still receive a net benefit even with 100% participation on property and sales but 1.16 billion back and that's direct um to tax entities and then I just want to point out um again looking at your slide number five this was this T tur 11 was created in May 2018 um I'm I'm looking at the agenda the the minutes from that day um that was there was a motion made by representative oras seconded by mayor protm uh no the eyes were representative Schwarz Bine anelo Hernandez Morgan no oras Riva and lisara approved unanimously in 2018 the boundaries were amended and the the sales tax was added in October of that same year I think that coincided with the the passage of the master plan for for Cohen correct yes for that site and that also was it was uh motion made by Representative no seconded by representative ordas and the eyes were unanimous again um I think it shows that looking back at 2018 that master plan was approved it showed the exactly this kind of investment in a in a kind of central uh destination entertainment venue at this site in 2018 and there was full backing for for that sales tax revenue to go towards the the Fulfillment of that Master Plan back in 2018 and so I see today again I was I definitely wasn't on the council in 2018 but I see today as the the Fulfillment of of all of that process that went into the development and uh all the public engagement that happened and the eventual adoption of that master plan today is where I think the city is coming good on that plan that we not we I wasn't here but that the city uh made to the public in in 2018 it's coming to fruition and I I want to say from doing projections on this I do a lot of uh Tiff agreements and very few are um entertainment venues taxed because a lot of times they're tax exempt and so that really produces a lot of Revenue to this project as well because a lot of times you'll put it into a Sports Authority and it becomes tax exempt because it becomes easier this is going to be taxable and so we've included that into these projections so it's nice to go from a crystal ball not knowing because we just had a plan to actually having real projects that we could program so that's why this is just coming to fruition so thank you all right and I have seen you before naid welcome back it's been a little while yes sir but thank you and I know it's uh uh you're a leading expert in the use of turs it's not easy work and so I appreciate all the expertise that you bring to us on this uh difficult difficult topic thank you thank you sir representative randz um the only thing I wanted to mention I know I recall this conversation very clearly and representative Canales I hope you go back and watch the videos where I specifically say I'm very concerned about the sales tax revenue and I was very hesitant and we had the same response from staff which is hey for now it's lucrative but down the line it'll scale down and we can reassess if whether or not we want to put all those revenues there so on that condition I supported it but I was very explicit that sales tax revenues are damaging to our budget when we just give it all away because we we really depend on that so my hope is that in 5 10 years after development happens we can assess and do away with that because we could tremendously benefit from that sales tax revenue thanks thank you and with that we have a motion in a second we do have a member of the public signed up to speak on this item miss Patricia Osman you have three minutes ma'am you know what thank you miss herand this you've been making some really great points on all of this um but I do have a a question and I'm supposed to address it to you all but I think you're going to end up having to ask gotty not to come up here because in in our projection there it has a live note and then it has it down to 46 mil 382 056 so is that what why is that under their column is that what their final cost will be for that property after all the incentives they can get with you at the end of your your three minutes well shouldn't shouldn't the citizens know no that's what I'm saying they can get with you at the end of your time up you can they can go up and talk to you but I I come here to ask these questions so that the general public also finds out just like when our Representatives ask questions during city council so that the general public and citizens know and have those answers so that's why general public comes up here and we ask questions not so that those answers could be done off site but so that they're given in front of the public so that the public is aware as well yes ma'am he'll answer your questions as soon as you're done thank you ma'am now you're as soon as your three minutes so then so what you are saying Mr ler mayor liser is that you don't want them to answer questions in the public sphere so that the rest of the citizens and they did and all the questions were asked by the council members and answered if you have anything you would like to ask them they'll be more than glad to answer your questions I think that's very important that your questions so then why do we have public comment and questions during agenda items if they're not going to be answered during the agenda items when they're up in front of the public they'll answer every one of your questions ma'am this is not but not in public this is why public meetings this is why city council is a public meeting yes ma'am and they'll and that's why the public can speak and ask questions during this just my they'll be I'll make sure that but the questions we can ask the questions but your answers cannot be public the questions were asked no no I just want to make sure that the citizens are aware that that is your your stance on this thank you thank you will you all you mind please uh talking with Miss no go over there and talk with her if you don't mind absolutely would you like me to address the 46 uh sure you're more than welcome too as I had mentioned before is there's not a whole lot of comparables for stadiums so if I do a multif family I can say hey the taxable value of that's 125,000 per unit Stadium there's not a whole lot of stadiums that are taxable so that number was provided to us by the developer and that's what they anticipate paying taxes on and so it's also working with David Tores based upon their income and so on an income analysis they anticipate that the value of this will be a taxable value of $46 million on an annual basis thank you and I hope that answers your question M Suman um we have a we do have a motion made by alternate mayor Pro molar seconded by representative Canales voting session is open representative Kennedy I representative Fiero hi can you turn on your camera please it is it's on oh now it's off mine is a black Square yes ma'am it's on and the item has been approved 4 to3 and the Nays are ASO representative Hernandez and and representative salido thank you we go the I think we go back to it item 26 sir yes ma'am and this is discussion and action declaring that the expenditure of District a discretionary funds in an amount not to exceed 10,000 goes to cover Segundo bario Community block party by the Southside neighborhood association represent caneles thank you mayor um yeah this is a an excellent uh community and cultural event that's taken place for uh quite a long time now several decades um historically since before my time the district 8 office has uh helped cover the the cost of this event for the neighborhood um uh again it's uh a one of the lowest income neighborhoods not just in El Paso but in the country uh this is an excellent opportunity for the neighborhood to have a cultural celebration um and I think it's uh an excellent use of uh discretionary funds to be able to make that happen I ask for the support of my colleagues thank you and I move to approve second Motion in a second any public comment no no sir okay thank you pardon me I sign up did you yes all righty come on up sir yes that that is correct and I also have Miss Patricia Alman signed up who else Mr barga Jose Gaston uhuh and miss Patricia hman okay thank you have mayor City Council good afternoon welcome back thank you um I encourage those type of events the only issue that I have is uh with the restrooms I have attended a previous event several months ago to one of the to and they the the restaurants were on were off limits and it was really hard for me and I carry a camera but the the person who was in charge he was more afraid of the cell phone when I tried to call my wife he was he thought I was going to record through the phone he didn't realize that I had a camera but I had to have the guard because when I had to urinate I had I had to have the guard to help me out to to go to the restroom and things like that but they didn't the location was the the Museum of archaeological the archaeological Museum uh but they didn't have a portable restrooms now you're going to have a public a public uh a public event sometimes the the restroom that they have down there they don't have uh Ada accessibility for those uh or sometimes they they don't have enough that's the only thing that I'm asking uh I think it has really important because it's uh it's kind of embarrassing for somebody to go through things like that uh I don't mind but for somebody older than me I think that would be really hard to to handle I I guess I see you guys on the September 1st thank you thank you thank you sir Miss Miss Osman go ahead hold on going check it m Canal is going to speak go ahead sir yeah thank you sir I again uh this isn't an event that the City plans it's planned by the neighborhood association but I I do want to share that for the past several years um I've helped them with the the organization of the event and I believe they've uh rented uh six two years ago and then eight single use Portable Restrooms the the standard size plus two uh family size SL accessible uh restrooms and I I don't anticipate that they'll change that for this year thank you sir M Osman and Miss Osman if you do have a question at the end of your thing we'll have them come up here and answer it to the public three minutes Mr Canales I I I want to thank you for spending your funds this way okay uh when I was a teenager I used to hang out with people who lived in the seon noio uh unfortunately one of those people actually happened to be one of our local serial killers but it it's a wonderful neighborhood that the city tried to take out at one point and I'm very glad that you are actually supporting them because it is one of our oldest and most it in actual historic communities in our city what one of our first communities in our city uh there's a nice YouTu here in El Paso and she's done a nice walk through through seio uh showing how look um it's not the ghetto people think it is everybody's friendly everybody's nice you come down and visit and I think events like this help to unlike the marketing for the MPC that made it look the whole area down there as though it is just horrible environment needs to be cleaned up because oh you know we can't have tourist seeing what the neighborhood's like there's real people down there who want to celebrate the fact that they're just good Al Paso citizens they're good family members they are the people in fact the the lowest income in El Paso are the ones who are supporting our city the most so thank you thank you ma'am and we do have a motion made by representative Canales seconded by representative acedo and this is to approve item 26 voting session is open representative Kennedy I thank you representative Fiero I thank you sir and the item has been approved unanimously thank you ma'am next item is item 27 and this is discussion and action authorizing the expenditure of district 6 discretionary funds in an amount not to exceed $6,000 and this is for movies in the park placed by representative fto and we also have two members of the public signed up to speak Mr Mayor thank you who's that thank you Mr Mayor go ahead sir okay great thank you thank you Mr Mayor 're really excited about movies in the park again this year this year we're adding an additional Park one we have not um shown a move be there before the constituents in the immediate area are um excited and we're looking forward to showing a great show having a great evening having people enjoy their park at night um so I want to thank the Parks and Rec Department for all the help that they do in helping us put this together with that Mr Mayor I make a motion to approve second thank you you have public comment your sh yes sir we have miss Patricia Osman thank you followed by Mr barose she has no question she has waved her okay Mr thank you m Osman have them who okay good afternoon again uh the only the only uh suggestion would be the for movies in in the part would be like is weeks before is that you can have the sanitation department uh sprayed for against mosquitoes I think that would be something that will help or sometimes uh or they can fumigate the areas uh that's one of the issues that I I I went one to once and uh there was a lot of mosquitoes that's the only thing that I recommend besides that everything is great thank you thank you sir Mr Mayor may I just uh make a comment please what was that sir I may make a comment just real quick yes sir M thank you very much for that recommendation I will tell you that the parks recreation they go a day before or two days before and they go and they spray it for mosquitoes um and and thank you for your comment earlier about the public about the restrooms uh we make sure that we bring four restrooms in at a minimum so you you've had some great suggestions I I I applaud you at I hope to see you there sir thank you mayor thank you sir and we do have a motion made by representative Fiero seconded by alternate mayor Pro molinard and this is to approve voting session is open representative Fiero I representative Kennedy fell off for some reason there is it came back I he's back there he is yeah thank you technical difficulties and the item has been approved unanimously item 28 is discussion and action discussion regarding the presentation of the 2023 animal shelter advisory committee annual report to city council this is a no action item that's uh represent Canales yes sir I know that you're the chair thank you for for doing that all right I in all my time in this building I've never presented from this Podium it feels strange um Council uh the animal shelter advisory you down there you got to go back do I not count toward Quorum if I'm standing here hold on hold on this do we have a quorum if he's up there or does he need to be on the Das I can present from there if need be he can do it from the DI if he needs to be on the DI yeah I think you should okay thank you from up there please thank you no it's all right okay back over here that didn't last long last long let me pull up the presentation here um go ahead sir go ahead thank you thank you mayor um the animal shelter advisory committee um has been uh deep in conversation for uh at least the time that uh I have served since uh I got elected uh and we thought it was important that you all be presented with the annual report that the committee put together uh for the calendar year 2023 uh and it did take some time for it to get uh prepared and packaged and ready for you today uh we'll hopefully have you the 2024 report uh earlier into the year next year but uh we didn't want to let the moment go by without it being presented I know for the past several years it has not been it's been provided to the Council on paper but not uh presented at the meeting and we didn't want that to happen this year um so I'm going to take you through the introduction and then we do have uh two additional members of the committee here uh Miss Stephanie FAS and Miss Barbara Candelaria uh the the vice chair who are here to present uh some of the sections so you can see on the screen or you could until a moment ago there you go the current members um these are the current members now uh but the current membership of of 2023 uh is not necessarily reflected here uh I wanted to point out to the council that the ASAC has adopted its own strategic plan uh that plan covers 2022 to 2025 so it will be necessary uh between now and the expiration of the plan to to do a refresh and we're we're looking to potentially do that within the next few months here um the mission for the committee is uh the animal shelter advisory committee will advise support and advocate for the well-being of all animals in the AL Pas Paso Community with a vision that El Pasa will be the leader in Animal Welfare um I won't go through all of these necessarily again they've been uh provided to you in writing these are the key Focus areas that the ASAC has identified uh in the Strategic plan that uh the the committee hopes that the city can accomplish uh in coordination with the members of the committee and then this will be the last slide for me before I hand it off but uh I wanted to run through our 2023 by the numbers um we held 12 meetings uh the committee by law is not required to hold a meeting every month but by our bylaws have have decided that it's a priority that this committee should be meeting uh once a month and I'll note again this is one of the Committees that is prescribed to us under state law the the city must um as the operator of the the shelter maintain this committee um and so we we take it seriously and do meet every month uh during 2023 there were 15 different appointees who cycled onto the committee as vacancies were filled there were 62 agenda items discussed and about 32 hours of Total meeting time it's a it's a significant time commitment from the members who are appointed um and I believe Stephanie you're going to present first correct okay so then I'd like to introduce Stephanie FAS uh to talk about some of the Hot Topics from 2023 uh we spent a lot of time going through the previous agendas from all of the 2023 meetings uh the the staff takes wonderful minutes and so uh we were able to Cate here some of the the biggest topics that pervaded the discussion throughout the entire year so uh if you can introduce yourself first and maybe what district you're uh appointed to to serve and then also uh your your history and with animals and then take it away hello Council good afternoon my name is Stephanie FZ I am appointed by District 8 and I'm really happy to be here presenting the ASAC report um I have been um with with ASAC since 2018 and I'm really happy to be serving um another term till 2026 and um yeah so I have some of my previous experience has been uh working with law and PAW uh which is a nonprofit here in El Paso so I'll get started vinary care throughout the year discussions on vinary care were prevalent and ASAC meetings encompassing a wide range of topics including the postco national short of vets and the role of the apvma standards of care and shelters vaccination and spay neuter initiatives and the role of veterinarians in promoting responsible pet ownership and registration members actively engaged in dialogue to explore strategies for improving binary infrastructure including certification of vets from Mexico enhancing vet care delivery for shelter animals and addressing vet care disparities among El Paso populations we have some Community programs and practices the ASAC discussed the importance of programs available to the community such as spaying and neutering programs public education campaigns and other community interventions to address pet overpopulation and promote responsible pet ownership the committee discussed vaccination registration compliance the Foster program TNR volunteer-led microchip scanning the provision of kitten kits at public locations with partner organizations on City Cats expanding the lowcost spay and neuter program and the efficacy of community return to owner initiatives review of ordinances the committee frequently discussed the importance of cond conducting a comprehensive review of existing ordinances related to Animal Welfare title 7 of the municipal code to identify areas for improvement and potential policy changes to enhance the protection and well-being of animals the ASAC discussed the expectation that the city will conduct a thorough review in the coming months and look to the committee for support and advice throughout the process collaboration between animal services local rescues and partners the ASAC discussed the vital importance of El Paso Animal Services El Paso County Animal Welfare and other stakeholders including local rescues working together to develop coll collaborative approaches sorry enhance Shel operations and address emerging challenges in Animal Welfare County Animal Welfare provided quarterly updates the committee also sent a letter to rescues requesting data but had limited success enforcement of breeding ordinances discussion on enhancing enforcement of breeding ordinances included exploring strategies to deter irresponsible breeding practices through stricter regulations and increase enforcement and oversight committee members and emphasize the importance of promoting compliance with Animal Welfare regulations to safeguard the well-being of animals and address concerns related to Illegal breeding and selling of unlicensed animals PSA campaign the ASAC encouraged the creation of a public service announcement PSA campaign to discourage backyard breeding practices and promote pet adoption from shelters emphasizing responsible pet pet ownership the city of Paso's public information office has filmed the PSA campaign and it is currently in the editing process the campaign centers around the message make adoption your only option all right thank you Stephanie uh as you can see there were a lot of uh discussion topics just within those but those were um just a handful of the many things that the ASAC has discussed uh over the the 2023 calendar year um the next section of the annual report um I think outlines the the core function of the ASAC which is making recommendations to the city council um about animal shelters and and animal welfare in in general in Al Paso County um and I think it's important that I say El Paso County I want to note that the this is not a a committee that is only focused on El Paso animal services and the city run shelter um um but again because this is prescribed to us in by state law um it actually is concerning every animal shelter within Al Paso County um so the the recommendations aren't necessarily specific just to the city but go beyond uh to to the other shelters that operate within the county um again these recommendations uh and you can I don't have the clicker anymore you can click to the next uh the next slide here but the the ASAC formulated several specific policy recommendations to present to the city council um they stem from the collaboration with with stakeholders uh review of the existing ordinances um and some some efforts to address the the issues of Animal Welfare that we find within our community um and I think we can actually skip right to slide 15 uh the other slides were basically just explaining what I just said um and I'd like to introduce uh the committee's vice chair Barbara caladia um to speak about the specific recommendations uh that the ASAC would like to make there are six of them thank you all so much for uh having us today uh mayor and um City representatives and my name is Barbara caladia I've been on ASAC for quite a while I am with district 6 under Mr art uh fle I've been involved with Humane Society for over 10 years and then went strictly with um Animal Services uh I've also on the side uh fostered preey puppies fostered mothers to be Mama pregnant dogs to be and um just whatever else comes our way and in our homes and currently we have six rescues in the the house and I would like to encourage um everybody you know to go by animal services and take a look at a set of those sad eyes and see if it doesn't pull on the heartstrings a little bit and go get you one or two it does wonders for the blood pressure and the health so getting back to a more robust enforcement of breeding ordinances ASAC recommends amendments to current ordinances Andor greater enforcement of existing regulations to bolster enforcement Mech mechanisms concerning background breeding and irresponsible pet ownership this includes increased attention expanded public awareness campaigns and additional resources for enforcement agencies to combat harmful breeding practices that produce more and more animals number two increase City's investment in spay and neuter programs ASAC recommends increased funding for both uh Al Paso animal services and Partnerships with local veterinary clinics to expand access to lowcost spay neuter services this request aligns with efforts to manage the pet population reduce shelter intake and promote responsible pet ownership it also addresses economic inequities affecting Veterinary access across El Paso County number three expand support four proactive Disease Control measures ASAC recommends expanded initiatives to support proactive Disease Control measures such as expanded vaccination programs and disease surveillance this includes resources to prevent the spread of infectious diseases among animals at Al Paso Animal Services which pose significant challenges in 2023 and to mitigate the impact of outbreaks on animal population across the Borderland Community including at partner rescues number four broaden effects to bring on additional veterinarians at Al Paso animal services please if you know anybody send them our way ASAC recommends that the city take greater steps to address the postco shortage of veterinarians including by exploring options to certify veterinarians from Mex Mexico implementing broader and more targeted Outreach in the veterinarian hiring process and considering competitive new approaches to attract veterinarians to El Paso Animal Services where they can sorely needed to ensure proper standards of Care number five develop new public education campaigns and adoption messaging ASAC recommends an expansion of public educational campaigns on responsible pet ownership animal welfare and the benefits of adopting pets from shelters this includes funding for PSA campaigns in both traditional New Media community outreach events and educational programs targeting schools neighborhoods and social media platforms number six expedite successful completion and opening of Westside location ASAC recommends that the city take all possible steps to expedite the Adaptive reuse of the former Morehead Middle School site on the West Side into the new El Paso Animal Services shelter location and prioritize the removal of animals from Tales at the Times temporary shelter located behind City Hall the opening of the new facility will offer significant expansion of the city's total Sheltering capacity providing much needed decompression of the main El Paso Animal Services shelter which is overc capacity special thanks to our director Mr Kell and always our marabel Kish we couldn't do this without her she's been at Animal Services for close to 20 years uh Mr Adan bar who also has been at animal services and has served in different capacities and Miss uh FLOTUS she also Fosters kittens she's also there on the weekends with um rescue Runners um she's awesome um she has also been at the on off with ASAC and she has really helped us go through some murky Waters every now and then but I mean talk about somebody who was who is living it and doing it we couldn't do it without her uh and Miss soell um she is she still our City attorney with ASAC no so it's so it's Miss FLOTUS okay yes Miss Miss otell was the attorney of science for part of 2013 and Mr arandis help Mr arandis anyway thank you all so much for listening for our time and again please go out and get one of those sad eyes it'll help I promise and again I'll note that uh this is the report again from calendar year 2023 so it has been some time uh since these were uh this presentation was put together and these uh goals were adopted these recommendations were adopted I think we've seen some sign sign ific movement on some of them um again the animals were moved out of tales at the Times uh over the past week and so they're they're now at the Morehead facility again still not in its finished you know full buildout um but it it's it's a big change and so um despite the fact that the council you know you were sent this a few months ago despite the fact that it's now being presented today a lot of these uh things are already being considered I think into next year's budget and uh today's operations um and so it's a it's a credit to the ASAC for the amount of time and effort that all the members have put in uh across the the 2023 calendar year and since then um and I don't know if either of you have any other additional comments you'd like to share before we uh close the presentation you don't have to sure I just want to uh remind the board this is an Advisory Board we're not in charge of hiring or firing or budget or anything like this we are in um we advise we do a lot of research a lot of homework and it is all voluntary if we go across the United States to visit other shelters it's on our own dime in our in our own time but um it is um it it it is a tough board to be on again because you know we're dealing with the animals of our community and there there's a lot of passion and of course none of us want any of our animals to to die and we all truly want the same goal of uh El Paso being 90% Life release rate uh which is the no kill ter terminology so again thank you for your time and your understanding thank you and I'll emphasize one more time that that that's exactly the importance of being here to present today I think it's that uh Council understand the huge amount of volunteer work and effort that goes into uh the the service on the animal shelter advisory committee by all of your appointees um and that Council hears the the recommendations that are coming from the ASAC so we can consider those as we uh adopt the budget for next year and and uh make decisions about the future of animal services so thank you all thank you for the presentation thank you all for volunteering and I know one of the things that stood out was Morhead school and I know that Chief Di austino and uh Chief Kell are um working really hard to get more head open that's is one of our priorities and uh you know the money has been allocated uh through the budget years ago and it uh I know that uh we got all the drains done I did a tour just recently and we got the air conditioning fixed which was very important and we're working on getting the dog uh Park out there for the dogs so we're um it's it's uh a priority so thank you for that and with represent nandes I just wanted to thank you I know you all work so tirelessly for our animal population we really appreciate everything you're doing um I hope that you'll visit us at our budget hearing discussions um coming up I believe is the next week uh Monday we're already July 8th okay Monday Monday yeah specifically because we're going to be talking about some of your recommendations and as a private citizen you know I would welcome you to to attend as well because that is ultimately how we are able to put more resources to the department and we have seen growth in the budget um for Staffing um and we haven't really seen like the direct significant impact but it takes time um but like things like kennels and and other um needs like specifically hiring more veterinarians and spaying neutering as we heard from my constituent earlier Mr Coral um it it really is going to take all of us to come United so that we can and get some more resources for the department but thank you all for what you do thank you repres this thank you all Diana next item please there's SE Miss patri Osman signed up to speak on this item I didn't see it on there but I missed it I apologize yes ma'am three minutes ma' cheers in the presentation what I didn't hear although I heard a lot in regards to um backyard breeding there was nothing said and I hope it's in your next presentation but it shouldn't wait till early next year in regards to the Strays on the street because that is what's C it's not the backyard breeding that's as much of the issue because people who are breeding or selling when you're buying a pet you're going to you're going to try to keep that pet close uh not everybody is throwing those pets out on the street but there was nothing in your report whatsoever in regards to and I understand it was moving the animals from behind this building to Morehead but in that it was not expanding Morehead that you're just you're just keeping the same capacity really from here to there from what I understand there wasn't there's not currently an expansion that's happening at Morehead the there's there's bigger space but the kennels were going to be remaining remaining the same um but honestly the stays on the street just just earlier this week you've got packs of dogs on the west side that are muling residents pets so pet PE pet owners are also affected by the Strays on the street and honestly it's none of us want to see this some of us go and we volunteer to make the little pet shelters we put out the food we do what we can but the problem is if yall leave them on the street it's not the backyard breeders it's the pets on the street the Strays on the street that keep breeding and breeding and creating the issue perhaps picking them up ning them do what you do with the cats if you're if you're going to leave them on the street so that they get hit by cars then at least pick them up neuter them throw them back out if you don't want to take care of them any other way but unfortunately your your whole presentation I went through it never mentioned the strees on the streets you're you're focusing on ordinances and these backyard breedings it it's a nice catchphrase but that's very minuscule to the problem is in this town and people across the city City shouldn't have to on social media be asking hey look uh I picked this pit up what can I do with it hey you know what there's somebody in District 2 over there by Chelsa that's like poisoning cats at least seven eight have been found like there Solutions people have been telling you all this for thank You' thank you next item is item 29 and that's the introduction of ordinance authorizing the conveyance of real property owned by the city of we will lose qu yes is there a motion for VTR development for first reading there's motion second for item 29 she made motion he made a second this to approve the first reading correct yes this is the first reading and this motion was made by representative Sido seconded by representative Canales and this is to approve just the first reading voting session is open representative Kennedy I representative Fierro I representative M and the item has been approved unanimously with representative molinar not present for the vote next item is item number 30 and this is discussion and action to issue purchase order for solicitation 2024-the term an estimated amount of 270,000 motion to approve second Motion in a second yes sir and we do have a motion made by representative Fierro seconded by representative Canales and this is to approve item 30 I believe there was public comment on voting session is open oh that's true we do have miss Patricia Osman signed up to speak me thank you represent Kennedy I'm just doing this is my weekly my my monthly calisthenics um but the only comment I really have is that yesterday watching the work session I found it rather amusing uh that our mayor asked what automatic automatic or automated toilet was so I don't think they answered that question for you necessarily at at least when I was listening to it correctly uh he's like oh it's selfclean toilet you know those little toilets with the sensor and when you get up it automatically flushes that's what it is just thought since you you were unaware of what an automatic toilet is that's what it is so it's not that I'm in disagreement of of the solicitation it's just that I found your question yesterday during the work session on this item somewhat odd that's for to make sure we understand what they are well yeah I know but what he what he told you was that it was self cleaning but what I what it actually is it's one of those toilets that if you look at the back it's got a little square box and there's a sensor so when you get up or down because of the Shadow it's automatically going to flush thank you for that that way appreciate that so that you know thank you for correcting them yes sir um with I I promise I say this with total respect Miss Osman that's not what these are um they actually are fully self-cleaning so they they the full interior of the restroom it's a single unit uh pre-fabricated restroom and the entirety of the inside is is automatically cleaned with sprayers and disinfectants and um these are located near the international Bridges so you and I both had the wrong answer so you and I both had the wrong answer and I'm glad you guys you guys informed us of that yesterday mosa assistant director for international bridges for the record yes rep Canales is correct these are actually self pinning the whole facility we have two structures stainless steel one at Stanton and one at PDN uh two per facility two toilets per facility so that's how we ask questions to have the right answer so you had the right wrong answer thank you all for correcting us again mayor I encourage you to check them out they're pretty cool pardon me I encourage you to check them out they're pretty cool yeah thank you hell like the self cleaning you I might thank you all we have a motion in a second yes we on the self cleaning to not the little box but the self cleaning toilet second by approve the right thing and voting session is open representative Kennedy I representative Fierro I and the item has been approved unanimously with representative mol not present for the vote thank you for that clarification by the way thank you next item is item 31 and this is discussion and action on solicitation 224-3902 Jordan Foster Construction LLC for a total estimated amount of 10,217 641 motion approve second there's a motion and a second there is no public comment so we do have motion made by representative Fiero seconded by representative Canales and this is to approve voting session is open representative Kennedy I representative Fierro I thank you and the item has been approved unanimously with representative molat not present for the vote next item is item 32 and this is discussion and action on the award of solicitation 2024 0291 fire station 38 to dantex General Contractors Incorporated for a total estimated Award of 5, $479,000 and we do have two members of the public signed up to speak motion approve second it's a motion in a second but we do have two members of the public yes Miss asman I don't think these have shelf cleaning toilets do they the firehouse you know what you have three minutes ma' the UK has those but they're kind of for sale yes know which one's now thanks um you know what the only reason I was going to come up here is Miss hernandes during the work session had asked about dantex uh dantex has been in the community for decades they've done um huge projects for tigas so if you're unsure about them they they've been in the community for a long time thank thank you um just so you know not a problem with that solicitation and we knew you know Darren was going to get the last one I'm feel comfortable for I misunderstood on this another company yeah but thank you you know what I agree you know what a lot of Sol solicitations for the city go to the exact same contractors time and time and again one would wonder why thank you Mr barga Jose Gaston is our next speaker you have three minutes sir yes good afternoon good afternoon sir we building we are reconstructing a lot of buildings and we are currently in into the all Cold War uh it wouldn't be a good idea to start getting Fallout shelters just a suggestion I that's that's the real thing that everything is glass everything is wood but where we go is a moment that happened where we go we got so many people where we go I mean you're about to build a a fire station you're about to build certain things I'm I'm just suggesting I mean it's like I don't know what's the code if we have a code but the problem is even a little a little square where somebody get protected because they are the one that going to going to save somebody because if it's anybody it's uh because it's going to be this you guys the fire department the the police cuz if no who's going to who's going to control who's going to who's going to ensure that it's order who's going to ensure that you know people get help so it's just some food for thought that's the only the reason that I'm here today thank you thank thank you for being here sir and we do have a motion made by representative Fierro and seconded by representative salido oh okay moved by the other way around let me do it again representative salido seconded by representative Fierro and this is to approve voting session is open representative Kennedy I represent Fierro watch you hi thank you and the item has been approved unanimously next item is item 31 I mean 33 thank you and this is a discussion and action on a resolution to sign an agreement for Professional Services with Professional Service Industries Incorporated at Delaware USA Corporation for a project known as El Paso Public Safety and Fire Department headquarters and vehicle maintenance and Logistics Center project for the amount not to exceed 744 72030 motion to approve second there is no public comment thank you motion made by representative Kennedy seconded by representative mol both of them mol is that fine I think it was Canalis but that's okay voting session is open representative Kennedy I representative Fierro hi thank you and the item has been approved unanimously next is item 34 and this is discussion in action on an agreement for Professional Services with Decker LLC for a project known as architect and Engineering Services for the El Paso Police Department headquarters for an amount not to exceed 4, 58597 motion to approve we have a motion made by alternate mayor proam by mayor proam Kennedy and seconded by alternate mayor Pro molinard and this is to approve voting session is open representative Kennedy I representative Fierro I and the item has been approved with representative salido not present for the vote moving on to item 35 this is discussion and action to issue purchase order for solicitation 2024 0599 police ordered a non-consent towing to three and this is five different vendors 3H Towing LLC a Record Service Incorporated doing business as ADT Towing and Recovery Raul Hernandez Jr doing business as dependable Towing camel towing incorporated and soul Express Towing Incorporated for 6 months for an estimated amount of $489,999 75 approve approve second motion made by alternate mayor Pro molinard seconded by representative Canales both of you did it at the same time time and we do have two members of the public signed up to speak Mr Mayor this is Miss Patricia Osman again and also Mr Bara Jose Gaston Miss Osman you have three minutes please Mr Mayor and Miss Hernandez uh during your work session yesterday you asked both both of you all somewhat brought up the same thing and some of their responses and and maybe uh part of what Miss hernandes brought up is the issue these contracts expired in December they're asking for an extension yet y'all are correct they should have been put up for bid prior to the expiration now I understand like M hernandis was asking and they were telling they don't do anything until after the bid and then they'll work with with whomever bid but I think miss hernand this you are correct that there should be a process prior to the fact of working with the people who are bidding before it expires to say hey look you know what this is this is what we need how can we get this before the bid is is done with I mean your bids could be closed but they could still let them know hey this is what you are lacking this is what we need otherwise we can't go through because 6 months I don't have a problem with it that it's going to go through but apparently there's no procurement director that might explain a lot of the issues that I have discovered in the procurement and purchasing department I understand you have an interim but apparently interims really aren't doing the best of job across the city because in procurement as I have given the mayor and some of youall other information isn't going very smoothly over there so I think Miss Hernandez is correct and mayor your questions were valid yesterday during the work session why aren't these coming up prior to expiration why why because if they come up prior what you're doing is you're you're Contracting at at what the old rates are that's even hurting the tow Tru companies either way I can't understand why it is that city employees are getting paid to not really do their job if they should be making sure that these procurements are done prior instead of bringing bringing it to you at the last minute and then telling you you got to do this or no service like you mentioned yesterday thank you next speaker is Mr barga Jose Gaston yes good afternoon you have three minutes sir good afternoon again uh I don't know what's the policy about the towing uh the only thing is is really insane to see vehicles uh with orang Stacks right there when now where the exit of the 54 heading out to 605 and it's pretty dangerous no time to call anybody because it takes too long they're trying to transfer somebody else and it takes too long and then they want to know who I am and so long they want to get my whole the script so I don't even do that I don't even call anybody no more because you start calling they start saying okay this is the person they start calling they start referring uh incident or whatever uh the other problem is is a debris who pick up the debris because there debris everywhere uh I don't know is a it's a environmental or streets but when it's a it's a wreck there's a lot of parts there everywhere and you know that can cause another accident um you know I care less who does the who does the the service I'm just letting you know what I see and and usually it's 54 605 or sometimes it can be the the interstate um it's not a complaint I'm just let you see let you know what I see thank you thank you Motion in a second mayor hi Nicole Cody managing director I I was wondering if you would allow me to um provide additional information that both you and representative Hernandez asked from yesterday thank you sir so I wanted to make sure that o that council is aware of the timeline uh working with PD and then Chief if you want to join me because then you'll can help answer other questions as well so the contract itself we actually advertised the contract last year on August of 2023 so we did receive uh seven bids we tried to extend the bids as we were working with the department and the the various uh vendors that would provide the services and they chose not to extend the bids and so you may say well it's based on price well the price is actually set by our code so the price is set by our which title title seven I don't remember the title but it is set it is title 7even thank you so title 7 does set the price for towing but as I mentioned yesterday but I want to make sure that I'm clear as as well and if you've got any other additional questions because it's a goods and services uh contract we must let the bids expire before we enter we start to advertise again so we had to let the bids expire through the end of January and then we worked with the Department to ensure that everything was correct and then we went went forward for a replacement we brought the replacement to Council in February and then we did the read advertisement shortly after for the rebid so um should we have given probably six months not just four months yes sir uh absolutely and so of course we're working with the Departments to ensure that that we always give ample time for hiccups in the process uh to be able to be able to award before the contract ex expires but I just wanted to make sure that we had clarified for your n your information and then if you want to touch on the debris okay as far as the chief oh hello sorry uh Julian Sida assistant chief peso Police Department got to get used to this right um yes sir um uh city council it has always been part of the contract in which our towing companies have to pick up the debris it's also said on our policy as well that our officers are supposed to pick up make sure that the towing companies pick up the de the debris so um nothing has changed uh we can always send reminders as well and also maybe go a extra step further and reminding officers again that they make sure that the towing companies are following through and cleaning up the debris at every scene thank you for that Chief yes sir thank you m Cody for sir clarifying it and hopefully moving forward thank you and there is a motion made by representative alternate mayor PRM seconded by representative Canales voting session is open representative Kennedy I representative Fiero I and the item has been approved unanimously item 36 is discussion and action to issue purchase point of order yes sir um for the record i' like to clearly state that items 33 and 34 they state district one but it should be District Four for both of those items we need to go back to reconsider no no but just clear we uh Point well noted thank sorry for jumping your District uh representative mullar thank you item 36 is disc discussion and action to issue purchase order for solicitation 2024-the and an estimated amount of 264 825 approve second motion made by alternate mayor Pro Molin seconded by representative salido and this is to approve as I said yesterday in the meeting it's a great program and it's a great opportunity for people so thank you for that voting session is open representative Kennedy I representative Fierro I thank you and the item has been approved unanimously with representative Hernandez not present for the vote item 37 is discussion and action to issue purchase order for solicitation 2024-25 P to PC and print management to comprise Technologies Incorporated the so developer and provider of Sam smart L LEC smart pay and smart kiosk payment centers for a term of three years for an estimated amount of $12,238 hi representative Fiero hi representative salido thank you ma'am and the item has been approved unanimously with representative Hernandez not present for the vote moving on to item 41 this is an ordinance changing the zoning from R4 residential to C3 commercial and imposing conditions for the property located at north of thorn and west of Donan motion to approve and there is no public comment motion made by mayor protm Kennedy seconded by alternate mayor protm molinar voting session is open representative Kennedy I representative Fiero I thank you and the item has been approved unanimously item 42 is an ordinance vacating a 10 foot public utility eement and it's located on lot nine block 12 Stanton Heights unit 3 the address is 332 Martina Place motion made by alternate and there is no public comment for this item motion made by alternate mayor Pro molinar seconded by representative salido voting session is open representative can hi representative Fierro hi thank you and the item has been approved unanimously with representative Hernandez not not present for the vote items 43 and 44 were deleted moving on to item 45 and this is an ordinance authorizing to sign a deed and any other documents necessary to convey approximately 0 61 acres of land legally described as a portion of section 35 block 79 Township 2 tmpr RR company second motion made by alternate mayor Pro molinar seconded by representative salido and I think just repeat what I said yesterday we have no water rights in New Mexico thank you and there is no public comment voting session is open representative Kennedy I representative Fierro I thank you and the item has been approved unanimously with representative Hernandez not present for the vote item 46 is an ordinance uh authorizing the city manager to to sign a purchase and sale agreement a deed and any other documents necessary to convey approximately 16.20 N7 acres of land described as section 9 Township 27 South Range 3 East New Mexico principal Meridian Dona Ana County New Mexico and we do have one member of the public signed up to speak miss Patricia Osman go ahead miss hman you have three minutes ma'am in mayor I believe this is the the item agenda that you were wanting to make the water rights comment on because it's the donana correct County yeah correct uh because I had actually asked about the water rights and right now um oddly enough we had had that discussion and uh our local news media just recently put out the fact that the US and Mexico back into the water wars so um all our water rights right now now water is very precious I know we've had other members of this community speak on protecting our water here locally but apparently I I believe what they told you is that we don't own those water rights whatsoever on that property is that correct what's your question on this on this property selling the property but we never owned the water rights there right we don't own New Mexico water rights okay so you could have the property but you can't have the rights ever correct okay thank you according to John blue I'm just quoting John Baloo so if it's misquoted it's John Baloo and I got his number for you there is no further public comment sir is there a motion to approve motion approved second motion made by alternate mayor Pro molar seconded by representative Canales and this is to approve item 36 46 I mean 46 voting session is open representative Kennedy hi representative Fierro I thank you and the item has been approved unanimously moving on to item 47 is discussion and action authorizing the city manager or designity to submit the FY 2025 Grant application for the motor vehicle crime prevention Authority the grant period will be from September 1st 2024 to August 31st 2025 mtion appr second any seconds second second good who do I give the first to okay we'll make representative Hernandez move and representative salido seconded and we do have one two members of the public signed up to speak sir miss Patricia Osman followed by Mr barga Jose Gaston missman Miss hernandz I believe you did make some comments about this yesterday that were very valid but um in regards to the city's dependency on Grant funds very valid so I I do question if not saying that we're going to be denied but in the event that the city was denied the grant funds although we are going to match it with a little over half a million um the total being 2 million six and some change with then if we don't get the grant is the city on the hook for all that or are we just not going to have a auto theft tax Force no that's why we want a grant if we don't get a grant then we still have to fund the auto theft department so it really helpful to the taxpayers for us to be able to apply and get for the 1.5 mil difference what was that well we're get we're putting in a little over half of them correct as a match for a a $2 million Grant a little over $2 million Grant correct so that means the city would have 1.5 approximately right additional additional so it's 1.5 additional not 2. mil but if we don't get it then citizens are on the hook for the entire over 2 mil correct that would be correct if we do not get get the grant then the city with the police department still has to have the task force correct so it's very important that we file for Grants and we get the grants all right thank you you hey um I want to ask hold on Chief one second um Omar there you go thanks this first 6 months of the year how much have we received as the city and grants uh total we include technical assistance and and formula grads it was 57 million the figure $57 million congratulations thank you for that no ma'am your time shut well actually my time's still on I know but um you've already shut down you don't come back up you asked him up during no I have has nothing to do with your question ma'am thank you thank you this has something to do totally different thank you thank you Omar thank you sir with that we have a motion in a second we do have another member of the public oh no I'm sorry we have Mr thank you I should have waited for him I apologize sir I should have waited for you to be done before I ask my question you have three minutes sir yeah sure thank you uh just I see the subject is like well I'm not going to to go through it just the way that they stealing cars is totally is totally new uh I was I would recommend that they using these funds to research the way that they they learning from South America um not too long ago I heard somebody from law enforcement Federal that they didn't know how to get the information they just have to get in contact with with the with somebody from South America Ecuador for instance and they can see what's going on okay uh the other part is going to be I would recommend for motorcycles pretty soon if they haven't done it yet it would be two motor two motorcycles one vehicle like taking one vehicle that's how they do it in Ecuador mhm so it's that they're going to do the the routine that they're going to stencil the the vehicles so they're going to give the regular class it's not going to work anymore the way that we have the the the I don't even carry my cameras anymore things have changed uh so we have to be more aware the I would recommend that the the way that we had we tell people it had to be a little bit more it had to be different there uh it had to be a way that people can defend themselves in case that somebody trying to take the car when they're shopping it kind of be just like what are you going to do I mean I mean it's micle the what happen when somebody what happen when somebody have the kids or when somebody have a older person inside that is the thing that nobody's talking about and that is that's the reason I'm here because we're talking about grants and I'm asking please use that accordingly it doesn't take that much it may take probably $5,000 to hire somebody to do a research that's the that's the best way that you can you're going to you're going to fight the the vehicle te you're going to save some life and you actually going to prevent the law enforcement get hurt um this individuals don't play these individuals are well trained and they do not hesitate to pull the trigger that's the only thing that I'm saying uh thank you thank you sir thank you for your time repr molar thank you mayor so the public needs to know that every time you pay liability insurance for your personal Motor Vehicles you're paying a fee and that fee is generated through whatever company you choose to purchase your liability insurance throughout the state of Texas there that fee funds this Grant and so if we do not apply for this grant it's your auto um your insurance rates are going to go up and the other way conversely is that we are doing something about auto theft combating things burglar of vehicles at the same time and they also provide steering wheel locks from time to time to different people they provide education programs to the community so it's a benefit overall for our County our city and others that live here thank you thank you sir with that we have a motion in a second we sure do there is a motion made by representative ernandez seconded by representative salido and this is to approve item 47 voting session is open representative Kennedy I representative Fierro I thank you sir and the item has been approved unanimously item 48 is discussion and action authorizing the submission of an application to the US Department of Transportation fiscal year 2024 strengthening mobility and revolutionizing transportation stage one this is and stage one planning and prototyping grants program requesting funds in the amount of 2 million doll motion to approve motion approve but would like to see the presentation yes thank you very much I'd like to introduce Dr air who's new to the to discretionary grants team uh I know you are probably tired and want to leave I'll be quick promise uh well congratulations yes all right so let me see my first time here let me see all right so um this grant would be uh addressing specifically goal seven of our strategic plan enhance and sustain Al pasos infrastructure Network here's the overview of the presentation but this is mostly for the people that is probably going to have access to it right so there you go uh I'll just go a little bit over what the smart Grant is so strengthening mobility and revolutionizing transportation it's a part of the bipartisan infrastructure law um establishing $500 million including $100 million for um fiscal year 20 uh 24 and uh we'll be uh participating in stage one because there's two stages for this uh for to access these funds uh the first stage for the first stage we have 50 million available uh they will select 30 projects uh up to 2 million each so we're will be requesting those two millions and um being selected for stage one will open up the opportunity to be uh participating for stage two which would be the in implementation so stage one is only planning and prototyping and that's the ground we'll be applying for the some of the eligible projects uh you can see them there um they're techn Tech technology areas so um any project must fit within any of those eight uh technology areas so we're thinking of probably developing something around systems integration sensors and smart grit you'll um you'll see the project so basically the smart ground is uh a purpose-driven um trying to provide purpose-driven Solutions innovative solutions to um uh promote Community travel efficienc ly and safely um all right so our scope of work would be two step two steps designing uh new intelligent transportation systems for the PDN and standon ports of entry and the design of the integration of the Isleta and Bora ports of Entry so the thing is that we already have um we have secured some money for the bridges Isleta and Bor uh they already working on that we already have some uh studies uh and design done for those bridges and uh we be integrating what has been done already with um you know if we get the money we'll be developing the same thing for the other two Bridges um and some of our project partners are uh El Paso mpo Tex do UTEP and we're still working on um the letters of supports from them and some others some other partners that um we probably let you know later if they support our work um all righty so what you see in this basically what we envision for this project um which is uh integrating it with the texad regional its plan that you see there on the screen and then the other image is what we kind of Envision for how it would look an intelligent system um and what we envision again is address the and reduce uh congestions around at and near International ports of Entry uh and this probably Once We Gather once we install this systems and we gather information will'll probably be U able to uh address the traffic more efficiently um either not only uh knowing the waiting times um with more Precision but also think of the possibility of uh having adaptable Lanes you you know how Stanton has one lane that goes north and maybe sometimes we can use that lane in the other direction when there's not a lot of traffic uh we're not using it when we and we have the bound kind of blocked you know so that would be it so and maybe address it address the traffic promptly inform the keep the community informed through uh traffic signals on highways you know like so people can make the decision on which bridge to go let's say before before getting out of their homes uh and then yeah re uh responsive traffic management so all right I'll guess I'll move to the next one our budget would look like this uh million and a half to the system to the design itself and then half a million would be um allocated for the integration of um whatever we develop to what already exist which would be part of the PDN project pdan Uno which you some of you might be familiar with and also we'll be integrating it with the border crossing Information Systems by CBP um all right impact to the city I almost done I promise uh we would improve efficien efficiency for nationally significant trade infrastructure reduce Greenhouse emissions improve the flow of traffic and well additional benefits would include modernizing city-owned assets um leveraging the amount of money we already have for uh doing the it in at is Lea and Boda and yeah one of the main things that we have we are um at the Grand steam actually dealing with we have a special project for the what what we know it's coming it's upcoming the the closure of commercial traffic through Boda as you probably are well aware of so that this would be part of of that of that those efforts to handle that traffic uh and improve emergency response capacity at and near international airports here's the ground timeline we have to submit this ground by July 12th the full application then after that we'll be fully advocating for the project to um probably get it approved hopefully get it approved if you if you would just if you might allow us to try to get smart um um so there it is that's the council action you would be voting today thank you all if and I welcome any questions or comments you might have thank you ma'am repr Canales yes followed by representative ernandez thank you mayor welcome Dr Olin yes okay welcome to the team um I mean the mayor asked the question a few minutes ago54 million in Grants year to date that's incredible work um from the team before you and with you so I hope there's plenty more to come um I've voted for this once at the at the transportation policy Board of the no plan to do so again today I think gone are the days of uh I'll call them UTS unintelligent Transportation Systems we really need to in make this kind of investment um I think it's very clear to everybody that the ports of Entry are major economic drivers for El Paso and so the the better we can make the experience of people crossing uh and uh trade yeah right C uh Goods Crossing as well um the better for everybody in Al Paso so thank you all for the work on it and happy to support today thank you thank you I don't know if that happened already okay yeah re shanan has made the motion already oh I think it was used go ahead um welcome Dr hgan welcome to the Dream Team thank you it's so great presentation uh I just wanted to clarify because at the I think you were there at the no meeting um was it last week or the week before yeah um and there was conversations about a new grant that the no was going to approve to study the traffic of the trucks and so I was just curious if we're awarded this how would that integration happen and I I don't I'm not Sly explaining but I think Omar knows what I'm talking about um K the with k no no go ahead I mean so there's a lot of agencies working on Port of Entry expansion and un modernization as you know we have a problem and an opportunity before us $700 million invested by the federal government to improve Boda of which the community has been very vocal on whether to keep or remove commercial traffic what the city is acting on is as if we were going to have or not only a temporary closure of commercial traffic where construction occurs but there's still an opport there's still a possibility that commercial traffic will be removed completely so the traffic will be diverted the mo is working on Regional coordination between all of the ports that include uh Santa Teresa and Toro what we are the city are focusing on on is the expansion of the East Lea Port of Entry which is where the majority of the traffic is going to go towards okay the what we're addressing is 2,000 daily southbound traffic I'm sorry southbound trucks of which the majority will be empty and finding ways to accommodate that traffic at easta Port we know from CBP that roughly 70% of that of that traffic is going to go to East Letta and so there's multiple uh entities including the noo working on different aspects of the port but we're all working in conjunction as as representative Canales mentioned we did present the same project to uh the mo they are working on their own uh its implementation on the Mexican side and everything will be integrated uh at the end of the day okay that was thank you for that whole uh painting that picture and putting into context but what I'm most proud of and I I definitely want to give kudos to um our city manager and CFO for giving departments to have the foresight to prepare for these drastic changes that will inevitably impact our Commerce and uh trade so it is it is essential that we're um thinking about that and so I think this is part of the picture and if we're awarded I feel very comfortable that we're prepared for any of those changes including rediversion of commercial traffic and the expansion and Redevelopment of bodha and Isleta edian uh but at any rate just um would like to see more of these and as I mentioned yesterday uh can we just look for others with no match because I think that's really it's really important to so that we can leverage um more dollars that we were already receiving yeah if I sure yeah I guess I didn't strengthen that enough maybe I missed that at any point in the in the presentation so this would require no match We'll be asking for the two and I said it reverse no match I'm happy to see with match is what I'm saying because we can see um the return on investment immediately thanks all right thank you thank you and again this one has no match so thank you all and with that we have a motion in a second please correct me if I'm wrong I have that representative salido moved seconded by representative Hernandez the other way around but that's okay the other way around okay yeah the other way around motion made by representative ernandez seconded by representative Salo and this is to approve item 48 voting session is open representative Kennedy hi representative Fiero I thank you sir and the item has been approved unanimously last item is item 49 and this is discussion and action supporting an application by Utah State University in UTP and this is to the US Department of energy fiscal year 2024 communities taking charge accelerated grant program for requesting $2 million to fund wiress integrated rapid energy link electric shuttle service project no match required by the City MO approve second Motion in a second and no match again go ahead ma'am we have a motion made by alternate mayor Pro molinar seconded by representative Canales voting session is open representative Kennedy I representative Fierro I thank you sir and the item has been approved unanimously thank you before we adjourn I know representative ad nandes has two special guests that uh came here and uh have um been watching counc would you like to introduce him ma'am sure um hey guys they they got in trouble um so I made him come today because I wanted to keep a close eye on them and but I think they had a lot of fun so I don't think um my strategy worked out so but Betty please stand up this is uh my eight-year-old daughter Betty and then my son whan who's super sh shy he's like good thank you thank you guys for being here and being good kids today thank you city council and with that do we have a motion to adjourn motion to adjourn second all those in favor anyone oppose I and the regular city council meeting for scheduled for Tuesday July 2nd 2024 is adjourned at 2:47 p.m. thank you