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Walk through my mind? ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> like lot. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> No to And 2 ♪ >> will heal. >> Bill of >> And and the moves >> We'll be getting started in just minute. Are you there? Mister Martinez on the phone. >> I am chair. Thank you. It's very there. Yet, Karen, here. >> All right. Things will get started in just a moment. All right. Good evening, everybody. I know call to order this painting this regular meeting. The Anchorage Assembly tonight is November 4th, 20 25. Madam Clerk, would you please call the roll? Member Myers member of a corner. Martinez. Member Baldwin Day. Member Johnson here, Chair Constant here, Vice Chair Bradley. Happy to be Member Silvers. Number Rivera here. Member Kercher here. Number president, here, student representative 1000. Mr. Cherry of Thank you. Mr. Gul, would you please lead us with the Pledge of Allegiance? >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God and a visible. With liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you, Mr. over such you please read the Landing >> A land acknowledgment is a formal statement recognizing the indigenous people of a place. It is a public gesture of appreciation for the past and present indigenous stewardship of the lands that we now occupy. It is an actionable statement that marks or collective movement towards decolonization and equity. The Assembly would like to acknowledge that we gather today on the traditional lands. A 39 a at baskin's for thousands of years to deny not have been and continue to be the stewards of this land. It is with great fondness and respect that we recognize the contributions. Innovations and contemporary perspectives of the Upper Cook Inlet deny enough. >> Thank you very much. So us. Next 7 minutes of previous meetings handful tonight for a special meeting, October 3rd, 2025, I'm for regular meeting. October 7, 2025 item 4 C special meeting, October 17, 2025. We 40 regular meeting October. 21 2025 like to ask for a motion to approve by Miss Pryce and Mr. any discussion. Seeing no discussion like to ask unanimous consent to sir. Any objection to the motion? Seeing hearing? No objection. I was for a through have been approved that we have the mayors report. Madam Mayor. >> Thank you, Mr. Chair and good evening, everyone. I hope you all had a fun and safe Halloween weekend. I'm happy to report that the only goes will be dealing with tonight are the ghosts of budgets past. Tonight is the second public hearing on the proposed municipal budget for 2026, thank you. To the community members who've given feedback made suggestions, ask questions and engaged in the budget process so far. If the municipality doesn't find new revenue soon, our community will be faced with tough choices in the coming years about the services and infrastructure week can and can't fund. As assembly members are where my team and I are drafting a 3% sales tax proposal, which we intend to introduce on the November 18 agenda. This tax proposal is designed to stabilize the municipalities finances and diversify our revenue. Lower property taxes, strengthen public safety and infrastructure and invest in housing and childcare to make this a more affordable and attractive place to live. We are actively engaging with the community and taking feedback and I look forward to robust conversations with the assembly in the coming weeks. In light of the continuing federal government shutdown. My team is closely tracking the news about potential delays and reductions to federal food assistance benefits. We know changes to food benefits could have a big impact on many families in our community. Thank you to the governor for declaring a state disaster emergency to enable food aid for Alaskans. Another impact of the federal government shutdown is that we are also facing an impending funding shortfall for the Wick women, Infants and Children program. Our most vulnerable are even more vulnerable right now. I've directed my team to find a way to keep the program hole here in Anchorage. Additionally instituted tree put people mover and anchor rides for local federal employees and military families going without pay. And we directed our utilities to offer flexibility in assistance to impacted residents. Thank you to member Kercher and to chair constant for your partnership on this initiative. Chair Considine recently returned from a visit. With encourages sister city in Choteau say Japan, the sister cities program was founded in 1956. to promote trade and cultural understanding through citizen to diplomacy at the local level. It was an honor to visit Japan and to build relationships and marketing his role as an international hub for tourism seafood, shipping cargo travel and more. Some members of our municipal delegation also travel to South Korea where chief Administrative Officer Bill Falls E. Signed a letter of intent with the city of Pusan to prioritize cooperation around tourism, maritime ports and logistics and people to people exchanges. Quick update about storm evacuees sheltering in Anchorage. As of Friday. The state had moved all evacuees out of the Egan Center and Alaska Airlines Center and into non congregate shelter options. More than 100 families and a total of about 483 people are now staying in hotel rooms and apartments nearly 170 children have been registered for school in the Anchorage school district. Resources for evacuees and worries for community members to help can be found at Muni Dot Org. Backslash. Why K help? Our emergency Operation Center team is preparing a more in-depth update for the upcoming public safety and Health Committee meeting on Wednesday. Lastly, next Tuesday is Veterans Day and I want to express gratitude to all veterans past and present who have served our country. We honor your service and your sacrifice. So now let's get down to business. I'm looking forward to an efficient and productive meeting tonight with all of you. Back to you, Mr. Chair, thank you. Thank you, Madam Mayor, I will say we probably also visited by the ghosts of >> but its present and future tonight. So could evening everybody. And welcome to business meeting. I'll start by just celebrating the fact that encourage was able to be part of almost miraculous response to the crisis in western Alaska. The way that arced residents came together to support the individuals and to find housing for all of them came is just a marvel. When you think about it and about 700 people have relocated from the Y K to Anchorage and it's expected they will be here for a year or longer as communities are rebuilt and people relocate. We continue to welcome our community and think everybody who works so hard to make their stay as comfortable as possible. It's great to see that the youth have already been enrolled school district and have received a warm welcome to our schools. On the note of our trip, the mayor and I to our sister cities in Korea and Japan. I would offer I was sad that the mayor did not get to attend the Korea part of the trip, but she was here responding to the emergency. And so it just was not feasible for her to go to this event that was planned for almost the last year. I went to Korea for the first time on this trip and I was absolutely marvel by their port infrastructure. We were able to Twitter the port of Incheon and see where our number one trading partner, Alaska's number one trading partner in Korea. Trance first seafood and or and metal from Alaska into the global energy economy. And it's worth noting that the governor's gasline puzzle that appears to be making progress at this time. We'll likely see a steel supply coming to encourage through the part of So it's really great to meet with the individuals who are part of that conversation and see firsthand extraordinary activity, economic activity that's happening over there and to explore the possibility of a friendship city with the city of Tucson. Next this week, the end of this week on Friday, we will be celebrating formally the 50th anniversary of the municipality. As you know, as you likely know by now, this marks the 50th anniversary. Not only is this time of celebration, it's an opportunity to imagine what we will be calm for next 50 years. What does the future hold for Alaska? Our best days are still ahead. They're not behind us. This Friday, November 7th from 06:00PM to 09:00PM at the Anchorage Museum. That's first Friday. We'll be turning the focus to our future. The free admission event features a civics fair with municipal departments and local organizations where you can learn more about what's going on in your community and how to get involved. Also and encourage history lecture by David Rimmer. And tonight exhibition opening remarks by Aaron Leggett Municipal senior curator and president of the native village of a Clipper. Also, we'll have recognition of former Mayor Assembly members and school board members as part of the event. We have more information at MOONEE Dot org slash 50. That's you need or slash 5, 0, We can also read about the histories of local groups and municipal departments and find activities for the whole family. As we learn more about our history, you'll see that it only takes one person to make a difference. Imagine what we can become when we all join together. My hope is the celebration of our past sparked inspiration. new Converse is Satan's about our future. Tonight, a second public hearing on our budget for those of you are here to testify. We anticipate testimony will be held after the dinner break. The budget items are 14, 8 through 14 G on the agenda. There have already been a number of work sessions on the budget that have been highly informative. You can find the record of those meetings that many dot org slash watch. Now this Friday at 10:00AM at City Hall. time change a little might be 11:00AM. We will have a work session over a proposed budget amendments. The public is welcome to watch that work session, both in person or online. encourage you to learn more and get engaged in the budget by visiting the Assembly's budget and taxes page and dot slash assembly. And finally, as many people have been talking, there are a number of new tax reform proposals introduced that are circulating at least one and at least one more on the way. 3 current tax proposal submitted by some of the members will be before us on November. 18th agenda information on each proposal is available and Assembly tax form page on the Assembly's website. Dot org slash assembly and people are patiently and excitingly waiting to see the proposal from the mayor published. Finally this business meeting. We're here to do the work of the city. Please help to create a climate perspective. Refrain personal attacks are speaking out of turn, shouting and clapping and pacing except of course we're clapping is in order. Keep science to in half by 11 inches or smaller. Please keep the house clear. Except in lined up to testify. Please don't approach the diocese. But if you have information to share with members, please hand it to the clerk down below. Please stop. Speaking of a point of order is called chairman role on the point of order. The record is clear. Rules are followed. The chair me interrupt speakers called for Compliance compliance. With the rules. Doesn't the current chairman paused the meeting that there's an actual destruction, charitable warning, the destruction persist or happens again. First will be asked to leave. Otherwise we're here for another good night of the muni's. Some of these business. With that, move on to committee in Lee is on reports. Start with you. Mrs. Thank you chair. Nothing to report. Friday is going to be moving. I have a 1 o'clock in Eagle River. So I hope the 10:00AM stands and I couldn't leave at 12, 30 as planned. We can talk about that afterwards. Thanks. Mr. portrait. Thank you. Thank you. As part this. the report Thank thank you. been >> no, that's Thank >> Thank you, >> Yeah, they chair the next meeting of the Summit's Infrastructure Enterprise. Utility Oversight Committee will be on November. 20th at 11, 15 city hall and for the legislative committee. Our next regular meeting will be on November 19th at 12:40PM. Also city Hall and also there will be a work session to go over the proposed legislative program and potential edits on November 18th at 10, 40 also at City Hall. As altar. >> All right. Thank you. As well. >> Thank you. Just a very brief report. The Budget and Finance Committee will not be meeting in We cancel that meeting normally would be on Thursday, November 20th, Mr. Chairs already spoken about the work session on Friday. So anyone who's watching interested in potential budget amendments, I would encourage tuning into either live or as a recording comments on our YouTube channel with everything else that we will see what amendments members are gonna bring forward. Thanks. >> Thank you. Vice-chair. Probably No updates Mr. Chairman, Mr. Phone. source. >> No updates. Thank you, Mr. Rivera, thank you, Mr. 2 items last week there was a municipal audit committee meeting. We talked through the final. >> Outstanding item of the 2023. I didn't. Which is the single audit. We also talked to the plan for the 2024 for audit cycle. not going to get folks projected timeline those will likely shift. But I will say that there is a clear intent and the goal to finally get us back on track to a normal Putin quote, I cycle. Which really varies year to year, but usually means we're done with all of our audits between March and June for the prior fiscal year. So to be great to have us on track to do that instead the year and a half or 2 years behind. Also, they haven't already on encourage folks, something members and members of the administration to register for the AML annual conference in December in Anchorage. You can you can attend all or just parts the conference. But I will say that I think this is going turn out to one that you don't want to miss. Thank you. Mr. Verma scripture, thank you, Mr. Enough report. Thank you, Mr. President, thank you, chair. No report tonight. remember Bowser. Thank you know, right. want to take the opportunity now to invite our you 3 here for their government. Civics class come forward and introduce themselves. >> Please come forward. So the strong tradition of the assembly, please tell us your name. Where part of tell you from. And last year for. Hello, I'm waay Ansel packet and I'm a student at Lumen Christi High School, Anchorage and I think it's cool. You guys are doing here. >> As you're impacting daily lives. And I just want to say, keep up the good way. Thank >> My name is Stanga Sky. It's a Christie Catholic High school. for government class. Gates Center. I also go to Christie. We're all part of the same class. So I look forward hear what you guys have to say. was a teacher of my teachers, Ms Hazel. It. Same with everybody else. I think you'd getting you to come to see your government inaction. I thank you. All right. Next we have the addendum to the agenda. A couple of items >> One will require a. >> Super majority vote will start with a supplemental items. 10 F 6 information memorandum number 2025. administration answers to some remember questions and then item 14. 0, 2, Information memorandum number 2025. Answers to some the questions regarding, you know, 2025 dash one. 21 am 7.75, dash 2025. The next one is item 10, a 2. And this one is a new items or require a vote of the body laid on the table resolution. Are 2025 a number to resolution to increase possibly recognizing November 11, 2025 as Veterans Day celebrating all U.S. veterans and honoring Alaska veterans for their service to our country. I'm just some somehow missed getting in end the regular agenda, someone asked members to support on the table. Is there a motion Planet Summit? Second motion by Mister of on Mr. Charts discussion. And like to ask unanimous consent Attorney Junction to adoption of the motion. No objection. Therefore, that item snowing on the table. We tend to. That concludes. on the tape on the procedures. Now I'd like to ask for a motion to. Corporate the denim and laid on the table items. Bush a corporate by Mister say Amendments, Brawley. Any discussion. Like to ask unanimous consent an injection of the motion. Senior not check shutting to the agenda. Laid on the table. Items has been incorporated, which brings us to do item 9, a parents request, Mr. Anchor incurred skates. >> Good evening. My name is Record. I'm here. Repeater Heisler. We represent encourage skates in the Midtown Park community. Midtown Park Chalet Committee, the Alaska Speedskating Club members wanted to be here this evening that they had to move there monthly meeting to tonight. When say thank you to the chair and the assembly and the mayor is anyone from parks and rec here. Parks director, part. Okay, please. Would you please come forward? We have something for you. Madam Mayor, would you come forward to So we can presents our annual check to the municipality for the money we raise to help pay for the ice at a skating oval in Cuddy Park. We've done this now. I think for 15 years and the total we've now given is $150,000. We hope will be able to continue that we also wanted to say congratulations on the passage of the Park Fund last spring. That included some money for the skating escape the surely that we hope to eventually get. So. Parks and rec happening? Future? There. right there. check. And here is a letter. It just 2. I said, you know, so and that's all we have. All right. Thank you. next we have Mister Charles McKee and I'm sorry, Mr. Keogh engine one minutes Mr. Times in the I was in the queue. Mostly because I want to say thank you for your ongoing contributions. I think it's really important. >> When we have individuals or groups make contributions like that to say thank you also just want to acknowledge your role in helping bring the sport of Nordic skating and wild ice skating to ask have some may not know that as a co-founder myself of the Wild Ice Skating Club of Alaska. We were they look up to that the speed skating club and the work that he do. again, a heartfelt thank you. >> And I understand Paxon will with Herman skates and the Wildlife Skating Club are starting to work more closely with the speed Skating Club. So Thank you. Note week, he welcome. Good evening. My name is Charles McKee for the record. >> I'm here to represent the beneficiary of the muck you trust. And >> if you so choose to remember the name of the spelling, it's mother crisis. A key. And I had by was Lord Jesus Christ. Pretty cause. you're concerned with The budget of the city as well as the state I had Recorded. Based on a commercial matter of disparity and sovereignty. My security contract had been put up. That's 900 billion dollars. What I recorded my name and the reparation act of 17 89. And so that's a promise from that act of 17 89 that year allowed credit. On fictional, I functional currency for that premise. And basically what they do is they don't do a double entry because my name is split to capitalize name of the key is the business portion and then the man as a lower case. They did while back. And so I don't mean to 10 and then had to. It was to do with cold operates. Modus operandi, a it's business as usual. It is include the general public into this. Yeah, they assume it's to up to for them to understand. That being said. The health care concerns of. The utility. And I view our society is recognizing women us as a utility. Much more. Then. God created. We're so we could have opportunity. 2 worship. Jehovah. Origin of. Which Jesus Christ You pick. Uni corn. so I. Made this presentation for that cars. what I found out that. There is a issue with regulatory commissions. I testified that there was. A taking of my property rights. Gci what I poor, this assembly. 2019. 29 to 2. >> She thank Thank you, Mr. Mccann. >> That concludes our appearance requests. Next. We'll have the consent agenda. Go ahead. Down that I asked items for those. Have items to pull start with you, Mr. President Thank you, chair. No items tonight. Thank you, Mr. Kercher and off to for reading Chair. Thank you, Mr. Parker. And that's 22 >> 10, the one. Anyone missed Rivera. source. >> No items that No, I don't think probably my animals pull things. Think you. Mr. Johnson know as March air on the phone. This ball today. >> Yes, chair can do that. 17. >> I heard your little muffley but that's 10 D 17. Thank you, Mr. Martinez. No items. Thank you. All right. record was 10 Delta, 3 full. Thank you, Mrs. Additional items chair. Who has 10 a one. >> I was presenting a Aaron Public day was going to read. >> Okay. we're going to pick someone else to read. Kuz says my fleece will have probably read it. Thank you. So that list anyone's probably to 10, D Mr. Mccormick, 10, the 7 teams Baldwin Day 10 e one, mister of air that I miss anything. Seems like I got everything. Okay. Then I go ahead and like ask for a motion to approve the consent agenda. Minus the pulled items. second, price Okay. Mister Myers, Moose, Mr. Van Seconds. Any discussion. Seeing and hearing Mr. Churches point information was B 3.33 That was pulled. >> Mister McCormick was The Guardian. Thanks Delta Delta. It was deep, 3. okay. Now, further discussion? Senior night like to ask unanimous consent is or injection of the adoption of the motion to approve the consent agenda minus up on items. I'm seeing and hearing objections. So for the public's interest, the every single item on the agenda except for the items that were polled are now approved. So if you're here to see action on anything from 10, a to 10 f you didn't hear remember poll your item has been approved unanimously. Next who have item 10, a one. 10 1 is resolution or 2025, dash 3.20, resolution of the responsibly celebrating the League of Women Voters of Anchorage on its 75th anniversary. This item was pulled by Friday. The premise probably second second by. Silvers. And the discussion. none. I'd like to ask unanimous consent in the objection to the motion. hearing. No objection item has approved. Who is reading this pro you're reading and service presenting coming forward. >> A resolution of the Anchorage Municipal Assembly celebrating the League of Women Voters Lbw of Anchorage on its 75th anniversary. Whereas the lbw of Anchorage, one of more than 700 leagues and all 50 states is an all volunteer organization dedicated to empowering voters and demanding defending democracy. And whereas the league is non-partisan and committed to open responsive and effective government encouraging informs pro political participation. And whereas the lbw of Anchorage was organized in 1950, by eventually at Wood, the leaked provided services to voters and tackle important issues of the day through thoughtful studies that had great influence on public policy. And whereas the league advocated for the merger of the city in the borough to become the municipality of Anchorage with an open and responsive government community councils and boards and commissions. And whereas in 1958, the Anchorage Independent School District noticed voting irregularities in a tax election and asked the Lee to investigate the league uncovered 110 instances of suspect voters and forwarded its findings to the school district. And whereas with encouragement from the national of Wv, the Anchorage League studied issues beyond voting such as land, use planning health care and education and whereas throughout its 75 years, leak volunteers have contributed thousands of hours to provide voters with credible, unbiased information about local elections. And whereas since the early 2, thousands, the league has sponsored Anchorage Youth vote, which engage is high school students in civic activities such as mock elections, candidate forums and training on the anti bullying. And whereas for the approximately past 20 years, the leak has worked with municipal elections to publish and distribute the ballot review, which many voters rely on to learn about elections now, therefore, the Anchorage Assembly celebrates the League of Women Voters of Anchorage on its 75th anniversary pass an approved by the Anchorage Assembly. This 4th day of October 2025. On behalf of Thank you very much. >> But not had against Berg anyone else. All right. Thank you, everybody. Mister right. >> This is Pat Redmond and I have been in the Anchorage, sleek since 1972. and I have her at her arrest. Most of you I want, you know, I'm going home. Now. However, I will be watching you tonight. Thank you and have a good >> Thank you, Mr. Chair. I actually do have a question from its Ginsberg. Yes, Mister Chairman. Thank you. First of all, I just want voice my appreciation for the work that your organization does. To promote awareness about elections and to help encourage residents be part of the process of government and democracy in Anchorage. I I did receive a letter as we all did from yourself on the letterhead from the League of Women Voters recently on a matter. That may be coming before the assembly soon. Namely the transit support of development overlay. And it raised some questions for me. And so I just on the record wanted to state that I would be curious to know more about the demographics of your membership. I'd be interested knowing about a breakdown in terms of age ethnicity, socioeconomic status, or average annual earnings. I'd also be curious to know how many of your members are renters versus homeowners. Is that something you're organization could provide some detail on for the Anchorage Assembly. Threw the chair. >> We don't have that information on our membership. >> it would take a lot to compile it. >> What about from Ation, Mr. Chair. Mr. Kercher is is this isn't really about this resolution. It says this is a lot of a separate issue. >> What I think you would probably rather on to make a plan and ordered. But I think that your point is made and so maybe. Mr. Martin can kind of figure out how to respond said that. The letter spark Curiosity. The resolution. It's a matter before us tonight. And I would just like to know more about organization and who's involved in it and what the demographics look like. concert will offer that. I think sometime in the not too distant future, we can have a conversation about sure. I think it's great information. I'll be in touch with some questions okay and also we'll be happy to talk to >> any of with your reaction to our letter? >> Thank Happy to talk about it. As a I said in the letter, be happy to cut that gap. >> Mr. Tucker's point. I think we'll take that up the opportunity arises to be thoughtful in that cluster. But tonight, I think if not all of us, most of us can celebrate. 75 years of the League Women voters participation making sure the public able to understand our elections as they go out. Indeed. >> Mr. Chairman, I say something about that. The process that we've gone through and getting ready for this. >> For the discussion tonight or the letter? >> Oh, yeah. And not about okay. thing about this resolution. You have this is about the resolution. And I had started to research some of the history and then we fortunately got a grant from the Atwood Foundation and to help us get some professional help in in compiling finishing work to compile the history. And what we have is a book with its ready go to print. it was really fascinating to learn the history of the league in Anchorage. And I hope that you all get a chance to to read that Brooklyn learn about what a force the league has been, especially in the first decades. So that's all I wanted to say. Thank you would agree or was is quite informative, us. Lots of documents there for people to kind of wrap their heads around. So thank you very much. >> Okay, thanks and thanks for your service on our elections. Mr. Probably. >> just wanted to thank you also for being here to Ms Redmond. I know we have corresponded regularly during these meetings. So thank you for watching. Thanks for all your work to everybody. And also I know myself and MS following day and overs and the mayor, we're very happy to bring this forward. And we have been in mail emailing about this for a few months. I'm glad that you brought this to us to celebrate this anniversary. And I believe it's a public event, but just to say on Saturday, the 15th, there's a celebration for the league at O'Malley on the Green down in the South side Lee 05:00PM to 07:00PM. So folks are interested. I believe you can get tickets so we will be celebrating with you there. Thanks. >> Thank you, everybody. Next up, we have delayed on the table resolution. Because I'm to resolution remembered resolution of the impeachment. Supple, somebody recognize and remember 11 2025 is Veterans Day summoning all U.S. veterans in onalaska veterans for their service to our country. This item was pulled trigger. Thank Chair. Move to approve second move, Kherson where Mister Johnson, like to ask unanimous consent Change Action. I'm seeing and hearing no objection to that. I passed unanimously who is reading? I'm reading Scripts other 4. Thank you, Mr. Chair resolution of the Anchorage Municipal Assembly recognizing 11/11/2025. as Veterans Day celebrating all U.S. veterans and honoring Alaskan veterans for their service to our country. >> Whereas says Stay began in 1918, is a day to reflect upon the heroism of those who died in our country service and later became known as Veterans Day to honor all veterans and all wars. And whereas today the U.S. continues to celebrate November 11th as Veterans Day to honor persons and military service and their families for their willingness to serve and sacrifice for the common good. Alaska's military history includes the Alaskan Nike Hercules. Antiaircraft missile systems are in the Cold War. The Aleutian Islands campaign and the Aleutian Tigers and the Alaska territorial Guard during World War. 2 with today's service members actively involved in monitoring and protecting the northwest of the United States. And whereas Alaska is one of the military's most desirable duty stations with many new recruits choosing to serve here as their first duty station. As an estimated one in 10, Alaska residents has served in the armed forces and Anchorage is home to Jay Bear. The largest U.S. military installation in Alaska, which is home to 32,000 service members, their families and civilian personnel. Whereas in Anchorage, there's a ceremony on Jay Bear on November. 11th to celebrate by his orbit or celebrate by visiting the Anchorage Veterans Museum. And now, therefore, encourage simply recognizes November. 11th 2025 as Veterans Day and celebrates and honors all U.S. military veterans for their service to our community, state and nation. Passed and approved by the Anchorage Assembly this day. This 4th day of November 2025. The Western off. >> Threw the chair with one in 10 Alaskans being veterans. I'd ask veterans also in the room. They're invited to stand also for recognition. ♪ ♪ behalf of anchored veterans. We thank you for your support. last 108 years Americans have taken a day on November 11th to recognize those who served in uniform. Now Anchorage does that they do an outstanding job of it, but they do it each and every other day, too. And for that, we also thank you for your support. I first saw that in the military service while in Afghanistan were probably the most valuable thing we got where the care packages sent by Anchorage businesses, ice cream from Anchorage went 130 degrees out is worth more than So that afterwards we have the most veteran friendly employers and even coming in today for teenage girls thanked for my military service and searched and short. Anchorage is a veteran friendly town. It aligns with values. That's why veterans keep coming here. That's why we have the highest number of deaths per capita in the state. Thank you again for your support. It's an every one of you. Thank you. air with you as >> As a co-sponsor, please, please. Madam Mayor. I would like to also just note at least 2 famous. Alaska women since Feb. The League Women voters here standing up for elections. Mary Louise Rasmussen was really an extraordinary Alaskan woman who served in the women's are and World War 2 actually became its leader. And also Laura Bell Hedberg right to was up Aquaman from Kendall Alaska, born in 19 0, 9, who was the first woman in the Alaska territorial guard who defended our state. of course, to everybody serving now these challenging respect to you. Thank you. Next up, we have item 10, D 3.10, D 3 exam 804, dash 2025. Amendment. Number 2 securitas Security Services USA Inc securitas to provide transit security services. The municipality, Mister, the current people move approve. Mr. Mccormick second us. This record. >> Just want to throw someone here that could could speak on what the contractors providing us for the month of November. >> Director Public Office gonna come down into those questions. >> Rudolph director of public transit through the chair is for 3 months additional guards that we had an amendment earlier this year. So it's just showing up the rest, the contract through the end November. >> Ok, how many guards is that provide and where they stationed? >> We added 2 guards in the middle of the year. I'm and they on the bus there. The guards that actually right randomly on the bus. >> Okay. So similar to what we passed last meeting for the 2 million same 2 unarmed guards writing random buses, 2 armed guards in a vehicle ready to respond. I guess I'm a little confused when I read the. The AM here. I see the contract. additional 371,000. contract passing for the period ending in November. 30th is so this contract would extend beyond that. >> No, yeah. This contract ends November 30th and the one you approved at the last meeting starts December. 1st. >> So in the 371,000 is just for November than, >> you know, it's for it's for back pay too, including previous 2 months. Plus November. >> Okay. So 3 months for the guards for 3 71,000. Okay. Thank >> And Johnson. Yeah, thanks. I appreciate that clarification. >> It does raise another question my mind. So this is the contract are being asked to approve for expenses that have already been incurred by the community. And that feels a little. Regular to me mean one that put us in a very precarious position if we were not to approve this and effectively we've we've already essentially utilize this. Now we're being told us after the fact that we need to provide the funding for at that, that feels disconcerting and feels like a puts us in a kind of precarious position we're done versus leaving, told. Sounds like we can't vote no on this for risk legal action. >> Yeah, I don't know the answer to that specifically. I don't know if the amendment came through. Earlier. >> I want to impress anyone from. >> Legal might build to help me out here. this feels a little regular to me. >> To the chair, could you repeat the question? Please start. We dealing with some technical >> So want and if I might quickly that come for we had to put on spot that could we think that's a question best answered by the manager. attorneys. It's put on the spot >> Can appreciate to the chair. It's a good question. And I think that >> this is a I and I think ideally we would have come earlier with this I think reality is that we would have to find the right that are solutions that we would have to find absent approval from the spotty at this point would be challenging. We certainly obviously body always has the option to approve or deny any amendment that's placed before you I think we would figure out a solution, but Mister Rudolph is correct that at this point it would be it would it would be a simple solution because some of the services have been utilized already. So we would resolve that and some other way, if we are unable to receive this approval tonight. >> just say for my part of its my intent to support this, you know, value our public safety workers or public transit workers feeling safe doing their job. But I guess list put down a marker to say I don't really like being put in this position. So I am. Hope in the future. We might see things in advance of incurring the expense. >> Yeah. Just a follow-up to question, Mr. Mccormick asked you mentioned 2 individuals are a cause for individuals. Can you clarify is this contract for only those 4 individuals or is it for providing staffing with shifts? I mentioned there's a shift functions. So is what is the actual performance that they're providing? >> It's 4 guards for 2 shifts because they are there the entire time of our services. 06:00AM to midnight. >> So its for 2 guards. >> For all of hours. >> So really we're paying most of a 24 hour period. Some multiple people working throughout that period. Correct. Okay. Thanks. Just making sure we're doing the math on the people. >> at similar question member Brawley. But wanted to find out why we didn't get this earlier from the municipal manager. We can get that answered. And then it's just not something APD could do. >> To Myers into the APD question and mean, certainly we if we had incident police officers, we would possibly not need private security anywhere in the community. The challenge is always comes down to price and availability. It actually is more for this kind of private security needs that travels with municipal service. It is, but it's more economical and generally has been deemed to be a more appropriate use to use private security as opposed to having police officers in these roles to be. Why did we not get tonight? I had they don't have all details and timing right now. So if we need to not approve it right now, we could postpone until later in the agenda. I could come back with a comprehensive remind of events after consulting with purchasing. >> Are these individuals on the but on the public transit armed? So then what really function are they providing? >> They can detain people and they can help escort people off the bus. So just last week they responded to over 100 incidences and which we didn't have to call APD for that. They were able to resolve themselves in next anywhere from people passing out on the bus to people not getting off the bus to attacking the bus itself to loitering at the bus, stop its small little things like that. So they were able to resolve over 100 instance just last week alone. >> Does anybody keep track of who these individuals are red and red flag them from writing? >> Yeah. But you know, we we ban writers. We have a policy through code on which we can writers. We do that. Okay. >> Are there charges pressed against individuals that are wreaking havoc on public transit? >> If they assaults, one of the security guards are a transit worker or if they cause damage to the bus or another passenger. Yes. >> For her people passing out things like that loitering, charges, OK? Thank you. If I might. We have like a full policy that only I'm sorry, we have a full policy that was developed around all of that through the code in 3 years. >> Maybe it might be good time to send that around and you get a chance share with members so they can see you the work that's been done on the topic, Mr. Mccormack. >> You said go further questions for you. Thank >> But I'd like to go back to other map, OK? So. >> Close to $4,000 for 3 months for 8 positions. Then if we're going to say they work in shifts so 15,000 a month per position seems incredibly steep. 15,000 a month. I get that there's there's hey benefits supervising staffing costs. But it seems like this is not an adequate use. Our money, especially we're talking about 2 unarmed guards sitting in a vehicle waiting to respond. That sounds like a PD. Like that is their job and they can show up and not just a teen and wait, they can show up and actually have a rest power. I think utilizing this money to hire police officer, even if stationary transit police officer that has some value. I don't see this. Providing us the value we're looking for some of the unknown. >> I would just offer 2 things that against little bit more than 9, 7, days times 3. Rice, 3 shifts per day essentially. So it's 21. I think that's great math. Practically speaking, what we've ended up having to do because we can't afford to have as many police officers as we really me as a city. If you look at our city and its police force, we're very, very low on the low end of the average city of our size number of individuals who are sworn officers, we can't afford it because of the tax cap. And so what we have ended up doing much the same way as we do with our fire department is we utilize like for the fire Department. The Sleep of Services increase safety patroller community service. That takes Lower and response. And now with APD what we've done is we've implemented a community service officer program, which is slowly increasing, which is kind of that interim between like P is for the fire Department community service officers are poor the police department. But as we build those services and figure out how to afford them because none of this happens for free. We have to have interim solutions. And what the body has determined is an interim solution. As we move towards a more full and robust set of community service officers. Another interim responses is security. We have security in our bus depots. On our buses. We have security at City Hall. We have security here at this meeting because we can't afford the taxpayers cannot afford as it might be suggested, we could hear to have police officers and every. Curb and every corner and in every meeting, every hall to tackle the public safety needs of our cities. So it's a collective effort in my opinion and multiple layers. But if if we want to fund a robust increase in police and fire services. I'm all for it. We just got to figure out how pay for it. Thank you, Mr. Chair to the administration. I think I just heard it said that we don't have more. Police officers because of the tax cap. >> have any vacant police officer positions. We half. >> As the current number, they do not have my head, but I can confirm that for the end, the meeting, if you'd like to know the exact number of vacancies. I have a number that I think is a couple of months old that can dig up and just all numbers finally. I think that the general point here is that there's there's vacancies. There's room. It's not that we. >> it's not a tax cap problem. It's a people aren't applying for the positions were not recruiting and fast enough problem is that is that accurate? >> I don't think that's accurate. Honestly, the number looking at the last I walked to these numbers with the chief and the deputy chief within the last few weeks and what we walked through was the number we have a full academy that has had a few members that right out of it that will be completing their their process in November. We have a second full academy that's going to follow up on that. And then we're down to the challenge of dealing with standard attrition. That results in retirement. So were coming at it from a deficit for sure. And we're dealing with a period of enhanced retirements. But after these next 2 academy is again, we have 2 full Cabinet. So we are now attracting people to come to the positions. But we're digging ourselves out of what had been a vacancy hole. And so we are well, we're not quite there yet because again, ongoing retirements and the fact that we come from a position where we had vacancies, we are now making considerable progress toward getting to the place where we're back. At standard. always of vacancies because we will always have people who retire or who depart from the police department has positions are not immediately fell because as you know, we hire out of So we don't immediately just find a new officer and immediately fill the position. It's a given moment. I can dig back to what my most recent number is. again, that what I had but a process wise, big picture, what we're dealing with that we're dealing with a full academy coming out. Another one following and then getting to the point where we're starting to be tracking the 2, just refilling and backfilling for retirements. Okay. You know, thank you. what looking for that all just comment that. >> You know, that's that's awesome that we've got 2 full academies coming up. I think that does show just how deep of A-holes. >> Apd has has been in for a number of years. There's probably number of reasons for that. I won't speculate from the diocese, but I I just wanted to be noted that because we're feeling too full academies and we still have vacancies. It sounds like this is not a tax cap problem for why we don't have caps everywhere. >> I might have to cut the number 2, the Triton burger Cras that that be at the end of summer timber. We had 44 sworn vacancy is plus 41 officers who were in training. And 43 non-sworn vacancies. That means that we have 41 officers that are in training positions over above that we had 44 vacancies are working to fill the next academy ago, considerable way toward filling that gap. And again, then we'll get closer to the point of fact, feeling for attrition as it occurs. So not a revenue problem. I think the challenge as I to the church member, Chris Meme has check on some point it out. We have considerably more. And 44 secure security officers working for the municipality in a variety of different contexts at any given time. We have security in the library. We have security at the port. We have security here at assembly meetings. We have security at City Hall. We have security working for a CDA. We have security at the transit center. We have had security at the E can center. So we have very it's not simply this slice, which if we had a few more police officers, I think we could fill. I think the challenge is considerably broader. Again to the question. The proposition of should all private security needs of the municipality be addressed by APD officers rather than through contract security. It's not it's it's a considerable number of positions places where we utilize private contract security because it is more cost efficient for the municipality. And it is that needs are relatively extensive. They're not simply a transit. There are variety of different places. Again, even including here today. Thank you. And I appreciate that. And I just want to note that. >> The proposition should all security be You know, she reached by cops and set of by private security wasn't what I was asking. My was asking was it was stated that. That we have to have all of these because of tax cap problem. And it doesn't seem like that's actually the problem. The problem is that there's natural vacancies. We've had significant vacancies, an APD for a while, their backs on him. It's getting better. But there's always going to be vacant season and it's not a revenue problem for I we don't have completely full police force. >> I think that I to them to through the charter member, I think of the flavor of my answer was because I think we could certainly have more police officers with our current budget. Absolutely. Yes. Could we have enough police officers to fulfill all of our private security needs under the existing budget? Now? Ok, thank you. Thank you, Myself back in the queue, Mr. Constant. >> So according to the FBI and the Bureau of Justice Statistics. In the United States generally speaking for city from 300 to 500,000 people. There's 2.3 to 2.8 officers per 100,000 residents. 2 point 3 to 2.8 officers per One-thousand residents. So we as a city with a budget that we have have settled on about 400 sworn officers. But if we were to meet the average standard for the FBI and the Bureau of Justice Statistics, we would actually have 690 sworn officers. And so the practical reality is we as a city have chosen to operate in an environment because FedEX Cup, which is what it is to not have enough police officers to meet the mission. And so they run thin. They run hard. They run long and they run unsupported. That's the reality of our system. Like if we were just average 2 at the FBI proposes. And so we do need security in order to meet the gap. That's what I think. If you just look at the statistics and we were average city in America, we would have nearly twice as many police officers. I think you've already had 2 goes has actually my first go on to this game You get that. I guess I would just say that might we could that we can have 800 budget for 800 sworn officer positions. But we don't actually fill those positions. It doesn't actually make a difference. And I guess that's what I'm saying when you when you say we have a tax problem. >> So it's not really a tax cut problems. These positions are actually filled so that that's all I'm saying. So. >> That's enough to on the side. That's it for now. Thank you Did you want to jump back in this one person? We could. I do I think I'm good at this point. Thanks, everybody Nice level of debate. With that. Then if there's something else, number 60 to vote. And about Monday. Mr. Martinez. On a vote of 9 to 3 in the youth member votes. Yes, And 4 dash 2025. Minutes past the body. Next. We have. Item 10, the 17th. And the 17 is some of memorandum it. 24 Dash 2025. 2 with and holdings, TBA commute with enterprise, provide an increased van, pull subsidy and marketing efforts. And apology as Baldwin Day, you pull this item. >> I think you can't move to approve it. >> Okay. We have a motion to approve by as Baldwin Day second, Respond Monday. >> Thank you, Yeah. couple of the administration perhaps Mister Rudolph. That's Governor Graham. He would be willing come up That's why I carry a city. >> And I'm not going to have to have the support that the guy. Thank Mister it up. I was wondering if you share with us a little bit about how the services constructed. >> how subsidy actually work. practicality and what they You know they should is for the pull because at this point. >> If I understood the question, you wanted to understand how the subsidies worked Is that correct? >> Yes, understand how the subsidies were can also put. The utilization is right now services. >> Sure, through the chair or go to Rector. >> Right now we have about 670 participants in the van pull program. And they utilize about 100 vehicles. So if everyone was driving individually, that would be 667 cars on the Glenn Highway reduced down to 100. So. We're probably last month, probably in the 90's with samples right now. So increasing the subsidy. What we do is through a grant mats. We get seen that money we provide $350. A month to each band. Will they pay above? And beyond that to enterprise, we just help reduce the cost to help encourage participation. We're looking to increase that somebody from 3.50, to $450 per month it is seen that money. It's it's not matched to locally. state pays the match And it's all grant funded. >> All right. Thank you that that's really helpful. And so the vehicles are not private cars there actually, they're actually bent will be that I providing service for residents who live outside of Anchorage primarily. >> And yes, the participants have a lease with enterprise. And so the contract is between them and enterprise and they lease the vehicle and it's for people primarily. It is people outside of Anchorage. But we do have people from Eagle River that we're trying to get in van pools. But primarily it's people that are going to base. And then we have a couple of examples that go to Goodwood. >> People right. Thank you so much they hope I don't have any further questions. >> My summers. >> What kind of data have you gather that indicates that increasing the subsidy will increase participation. >> We do surveys to the people that leave the program and the number one reason they leave is the increased cost because they partner with enterprise its newer vehicles. So every 2 or 3 years, they get a newer vehicle. The cause of that vehicle goes up. And then if you look at similar programs across the country, their subsidies are set at $500 or more so were considerably lower. And >> Thank And Hearing none members may proceed to vote. >> Number Monday. Member marching >> And a vote 9 to 3 in the youth member votes. Yes, yes. Am a 24 dash 2025. U.S. pass the body which concludes our consent agenda and we don't have any items and 11 old. Oh, I'm sorry anyone that that item was pulled. And it was pulled by Mister Bear, the intense Lodi, right? Yeah. So no action is needed. Sorry. Well, I was specific. Think you Mr. Chair >> so we got let it die or move to postpone it indefinitely with whichever is the preference because it doesn't Action Nolan moves that it does that all right, thanks, Madam Clerk, for keeping me on task. We'll take our it was scheduled in a break. Try to work out a couple books and be back shortly to finish the ♪ ♪ ♪ >> And then a freshman. ♪ ♪ >> A ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> We ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> And then depression. ♪ >> And ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ an affair. >> You're clear now. Martinez, you're there. >> Yes, chair. >> Did I hear you say Yes, chair. They are okay. A little quieter this time. I think we're all here. And ready to get down to it. We don't have any items. The 13th 14th Sunday night. Which brings us now to budget items and the 4 teams. So the first item is which is the second public hearing for ordinance 2025. Dash 106, in ordinance. Misspelled Anchorage adopting appropriating funds for the 2026. General government operating budget for the municipality of Anchorage. The public hearing on this item is no open wish to be heard on this item. Come on down. Please welcome, please. State your name. A part of town. You're from. You'll have 3 minutes. The microphone is off. Would you turn the mic from Mr it? They go. Welcome. Please take them apart. Attorney for the 3 minutes. Thank you. My name is Mark June. I'm actually speaking tonight on behalf of Halo, the hillside area, landowners, just so she ation. >> And I'm here to speak on behalf of the budget item pertaining to wildfire division positions. And 83% of the municipality is in the wildfire. Urban interface area known as the W I defined as the point where development meets flammable vegetation just yesterday, FD responded to outdoor fires in Mountain view. Muldoon spin hard. Downtown Fort in Cordova in down tenant third-inning grand. other words, the overwhelming majority of Anchorage is in a Wu eye area. We have flammable vegetation not just on the Anchorage hillside or Eagle River, but along every Greenbelt, every setback, every parking every vacant lot throughout Anchorage. We have only to look at Los Angeles behind a in Paradise, California, to see the dangers of fire in an urban setting. We think of break up to green up as wildfire season. But in today's situation, wildfires and arson fires occur all your lawn. The community wildfire protection plan is a document that is tied to funding for fuel reduction programs and egress issues. That documents now being finalized and allow them. You need to go after grants to assist. Didn't addressing wildfire risks the need for a wildfire division to find and apply for available. Moneys is vital and without dedicated staff, those federal funds will go elsewhere where people want them more. For the first time in memory, every branch of government, every utility in increases working together with the private sector to achieve public safety. If these wildfire division has done more wildfire, education that we've ever seen before, they've been a community council's a neighborhood groups and have done more for public enrichment. Then I can remember. That wildfire division is joined forces with all interested parties and has successfully completed fuel reduction in public safety projects that have been needed for decades. The success of the Wild Fire Division would anyone to guess that this is a large branch of a FT. It's actually only 2 full time positions and one part-time position that have spoken in a loud voice. Those 3 individuals carefully chosen have done miracles for our public safety. They have made a difference and they're an example of seeing government funds being used to the benefit of everyone. We need to continue that momentum and not fall into the mistake of past years. Where lack of follow-up wasted time and money involved. Major projects are already in the work. I would ask you please ensure that we fully fund these 2 and one-half positions for a while that our division. Thank you very much. Thank you. Here's a question for church in project. Yeah, thanks for testifying and thanks for continuing to work advocate for addressing wildfire mitigation. >> I'm wondering I was just looking for is there a map of what's what you mentioned is defined as the Wild Land. Urban interface. >> And and I'm just wondering, like, is like is it defined? So boundaries on a map or is that the Muni as a whole or cause? You mention about 83% of us live in that area. You you may not hear this too often, but I can truthfully say to you that I don't know. >> I would ask that question from the wildfire divisions, officers and I'm sure that they would show you a map. Anyone else wish there welcome. Please state your name up. Returning from 3 minutes. >> Hi there. I'm John Weddleton the of area and I am here. Also it smart us to speak in support of the Wild Land Division and overly funding. The positions to divert slightly. I have to say I am so proud of the city's response to the typhoon. You know, the city, the state and what understand or unpaid FEMA people really got on. It is wonderful. And I'm so proud to be from Anchorage. Just say what we did. And I'm also proud of the work that you guys have funded and has been done over the last few years to really emphasize preventing wild far in Anchorage. I got involved with it back in the early 2, thousands when sue Rodman Emitio Estan were young and fired up and jumping up and down. Thomas rocking a burned and I if we don't do lots of things that they had tens of millions of dollars to do, cut down a lot of They taught us how to make our homes firewise huge amount of progress. But when the money ran out. Momentum stalled and we went well over a decade, 15 years without really doing what we needed to do. So we slid back to the danger zone that we had been an. Over the last few years. You've done so much to fund. It really got some momentum on this. Having these positions over Lee. You know, doing this work. And we see the trees cut down. But also what you don't see so much as encouraging people to take care of their own properties, encourage people to build firewise homes. That's something the city doesn't pay. But that the sea was being done by the city and they get the message from John and Stephen in others to do it on your own as well. And that has a huge value that we really need to continue. Holland Express this in a way that it was kind of new to me. But he said, you know, we as a society don't accept that. We have house is burning down. You know, that's rare. Him is just it's raw. And we have building codes. We have the large fire department highly trained because we don't want buildings burned down. Houses, burned down. We need to get that same mindset regarding wildfire where we just don't accept it and we create the city and the culture and the infrastructure to prevent this from happening. So that is ongoing it keeps momentum. So we have grant money remaining for these positions and we need to get them overtly in the budget. So it maintains momentum and help us get more grass to continue the really good work that you guys fun. Did you know for the last few years? Thank you. Thank you. take questions. Operating budget. Please come forward. him a part of town from the left 3 minutes. >> Jaime Lopez, the sinkers formally coalition for many disposing prepared remarks, but sort of spoken to before length. So the budget general, you know, you fun police chief and fire. And, you know, there are any number of outreach teams for have. You had them ctm it, you know, the health department and others as well as so he's going out. But usually they're going with a cadre of police behind them. And so the factor, the nature or fact the matter most of the people outside they do not trust. Police want it. So it doesn't matter if it's a hope team or any of the others. And they will not accept services from people. And so you need something to science fire and police you something in need people that go out at all hours and they're willing to help people. And that is completely gone right now. I can give you a couple examples. So like couple weeks ago, just before that will allow payment. went over there to take some come across Lee in her 40's and were less nice. Ation Lee, down on her luck trying to work under the table. Want to get her kids back. But clearly nobody and come across or at any point in time. And, you know, for shout out find her, take your food, take a video sent to somebody to try and get her house and then obviously the well, a lot of payment happens on fresh and checking the claim. 25 people House to know at least 8 to 10. And there was another lady. came across who more or less when police were trying to do enforcement action a couple weeks ago, they had said that they pushed people out of Davis Park. Know there are none in Davis Park and essentially what ended up happening was what transpired is kicked out of the meeting because it was trying draw scrutiny to people in play professionally. But the policies are going to get people killed in center now. And nobody really wants to admit that. And so in this case, apart a woman to that me and get house to talk to somebody and she just walked out the door because she thought it was one-sided. And it was a fair and so ultimately end up getting her house within the past week at the Alex Hotel. But that she'd been approached by the whole team ladies and they did not follow up. 2 people fail there 3 weeks the past and then likewise with another lady. I just wanted last night. And were A partner had died. She 7 months pregnant. so police said approach or I obviously because the dead body and then what ends up happening is the vehicle RV that they had. That's it with an impound notice and it's set to be towed clearly today, but she is wondering the streets right now. Someone is pregnant. No health. And, you know, I took her for last 8 and trying to connect or but you need people good people instead of paying 10 police officers, 850 grand to destabilize people to pay the same stabilize. You'll get better outcomes. Thank you. >> Anyone else wish to be heard the operating budget. 2025 dash 106. And it went off. As prof. >> Move to continue the public hearing to the meaning of November. 18th. Second second. >> Motion to continue Mr. Price seconded by Mr. Meyers. >> Yeah. I mean, to make this motion for this item in the next one and not the other 5 items because I anticipate excuse me most, if not all member amendments will be on those 2 items. The operating budget in the capital budget. And that provides one additional opportunity provided that someone is not already testified tonight on in this hearing because it is the same hearing. Any further discussion. James Action, the motion. >> I'm hearing seeing no objection, the motion. So we're going to consider it toppin fine animist consent. This item will be back before us at our next meeting. It's a public hearing next. Have item 14 be second public hearing. You know, 2025 dash, 1, 7, an ordinance starting the 2026 General Government Capital Improvement budget public hearing on the side of snow. Anyone wish to be heard in the Senate. New at all. >> Moved to continue the public hearing to the meeting of November 18th. >> So there's a motion continue, but probably seconded by Mister Myers. discussion. Hearing no discussion like to ask unanimous consent to certain objects into the adoption. The motion. Hearing. See no objection. The motion stuck to the side. We forces continue carry in our next meeting. Actually 14 see second public hearing. 2025, Dash, 108, Norton stopping the perfect funds for the 2026 Municipal Utilities Enterprise activities operating budgets and the 2026 municipal Utilities, Enterprise activities, Capital improvement, budget public hearing the side of a snow spirit of this item. Seeing hearing item is now closed to all the body. >> Moved to post on the to the meaning of November. 18th. Second brush. farmers probably same Mr. question. none like to ask unanimous consent certain injection. The motion. team of joshan. item will centered passed unanimously postponed the next meeting. Excuse me. Coming next, we have item 14 14, the second public 2025 dash, 109, ordinance adopting an appropriate funds for the 2026 operating capital budgets. Increased community development authority public hearing this item now open. Anyone wish to be heard. none. The public no clothes that smell of money. >> Moved to continue move to postpone this item to the meeting in November. 18th. >> Second, the motion postpone his price. I'm a strong bond. Discussion. So, you know, like to ask unanimous consent atop the motion to postpone sir injection motion. Cheering objections. I want to back before us on the meeting. 18th. Next 7 to 14 E second public hearing. There's no share of 2025 dash, 2.96 resolution adopting 2026 to 2031, general government Capital Improvement program. Public hearing on this item is now open. Anyone wish to be heard the Senate. a public hearing this. I was not close. What will the to post bond to the or 18th? time? probably a second by Mister Myers onto the 18th discussion. Seeing and hearing no discussion like to ask unanimous consent an injection, a motion. Seen here. No objections item. Back before a summit meeting in November. 18th. Next is out of 14 F second public hearing as a share 2025 dash 2.97 resolution adopting 2026. 2031 6 year fiscal program. Public hearing on this item. It's now open. to run on this item. Hearing. None. Public hearing the side snow close what's on the body has spawned to November 18th. Second. Motion postponements probably my Mr. Myers, a discussion. Senior, no discussion of like to ask unanimous consent, a motion postpone. Seeing and hearing no objection. The Senate was pushed of the back for November 18th. 7 of 14 G 14 G a second public hearing as a share of 2025, there's 2.98 resolution approving the 2026 2031 Municipal Utilities, Enterprise activities, capital improvement programs, public hearing on this item open. The newest spirit on this item. hearing none public hearing is now closed. But will the party that the postponed to November 18th second term? probably something Myers and discussion. Seeing hearing no discussion like to ask unanimous consent action. The motion most Hearing teen objections. I went back before us on November. 18th. That gets us through the second public hearing. All of the budget items except the 2 are continue to the meeting of November. 18th. All of these items will be back before us at that meeting. But 2 of them have come into politics. So brings us time. 14 H. 14 2025, dash, one 11 ordinance amending zoning map and approving the rezoning of approximately 14.3 acres from R one single-family residential district. Hart single-family residential district in our 3 mixed residential district PR parks and rec district for Wilderness Subdivision, plat 70 dash to 49. But 8 p Kimberly Subdivision Edition, number one plant, 70 37 blocked one us 20 to 25 o'clock too. That's 8, 9, 12, 15, 18 19 in Geneva. Woods Subdivision, Plat 96 Dash one. 47 track to be one a generally located north and East Tudor Road East of Seward, Highway south of Saint Gothard of a Stanton Avenue and west of Lincoln Street in Yonkers, public hearing on this item, a snow pit. Anyone wish to be heard on this item. public hearing is now closed all the money, moved to print. Question if provide from Imus overs spry. Comments to speak to the Senate. Thank you, Mr. Chart. I just wonder maybe of somebody from planning Department. Might be able to speak to, you know. >> I know in the memo it's mentioned that this is sort of consistent with our land use plan. But we are. Contemplating here rezoning residential capacity, you even up to our 3 to parks and recreation, knowing. And Chris has a lot of parks and trails. And that's one of the reasons I love living here. What could be argued is whether or not we have a lot of pass city in terms of residential land for housing and some may be if you could just speak to the Planning Department's position on this. >> Chris, thank you. Threw the chair to Amber Lisa fact planning director for record. For this specific case, there is actually a conservation easement on all of those properties are at least most of those properties. So none of them would be developed perpetuity no matter what there's zoning is. Excuse me. But this is actually a little bit of a preview of another project that we're working on right now. That would. Take parcels that are not currently zoned as parks but are being used and managed as parks and take those and rezone all of them once to parks and recreation and I believe it's on. It is on its way to the planning and Zoning Commission right now. And that discussion about. Rezoning residential residential zoning to parks and rec. I think it's a pertinent issue and something that I'm looking forward to talking to all about. Asked that. works its way through the system because I believe may be some parcels include event and that proposal that might need to come because there is potential for them to be potentially used for for housing in the future. But for this specific because there's a conservation easement involved. The underlying residential zoning designations every elephant currently. okay. Great at creating, sir. Thank you. Mister Chair. >> Respond Monday. >> wanted to tag on to that this particular is and my neighborhood. immediately adjacent to the Heavenly Caliper. Thanks way. And I believe is part of the reason for the conservation easement. And I definitely support to speed down at it actually reflects the current neighborhood utilization of the area, includes a lot of walking cells and those sorts of things. So, yeah, I'm that excited to support Thank you. >> Thank you. Miss profit. Yeah, The Mr. Jones questions raised a follow-up for me. I'll save my general questions for that other ordinances. Sounds like. >> In this case and implied in general. Also, there's the discussion of designated first dedicated parks. Is this the way they park is dedicated or is that a separate process? >> That is an entirely separate process. And this particular park just went through that process. This is just re. reading rezoning property sits doesn't have anything to do with dedication or All right. Destination. Okay. Thank you. >> All right. Anyone I don't see. don't think I members proceed to vote. >> Amber Martinez. Number both Monday. Yes. >> On a vote of 12 0 in the member votes. Yes, yes. 2025, dash 1, minutes past money. Up next him 14. I. 2025 dash, one, 14. We're now seeing Christmas for some limiting code chapter 16, not 16, encourage Food Co 2 line with recent changes. In Alaska statutes by eliminating would license and Rachel vending permit requirements exempting from licensing all qualifying homemade food producers and updating operational provisions for temporary food establishments and mobile food units. There's also a substitute version. 2025 dash, one, storage tanks us. Will somebody mending Anchorage Municipal Code chapter 16 could to align with recent changes. ask statutes by eliminating the Municipal Cottage Food License. And Rachel, a building permit requirements and exempting from licensing all qualified qualifying homemade food producers recognizing the states raw milk and raw milk products, regulation updating operational provisions for to pay for offense. And mobile vendors public hearing on item now open. Please come forward. Welcome. Please take them apart. Attorney from you'll have 3 minutes. I apologize. Mister Chair. >> Kirk Rose. I'm from the airport Heights neighborhood and the CEO of Anchorage Community Land Trust in this season of gratitude. I also want to thank all of Mr. Pouty for a response that a firm and I want to say thank you for introducing this ordinance. It is good for business and cuts. The proverbial red tape encourage community land trust supports this proportion proposed repeal of the municipality's current cottage food regulations to bring it in line with state of Alaska standards. A works daily with emerging and small-scale food businesses through our entreprenuer Development program which is called set up shop. That program provides a pipeline of training and support for early-stage entrepreneurs looking to grow more than 60% of our number nearly 600 clients, almost 360 businesses are involved in food based industry. So we know this reality very, very well. And the Cottage food license has been a burden for these early states. Small businesses trying to launch and grow many food businesses start with just an idea around the kitchen table in our last and grown out of home kitchens, existing licensing requirements currently restricts the types of college food products. Business owners can make and sell from their homes and requires sales to remain below. 25,000 per year. So if a business owner wants to grow their college food sales above that figure, which most wanted to operate a business as a full-time source income would they're required to operate out of a permit, a commercial kitchen space. These things don't exist in abundance in the municipality and we know that from years of research development, firsthand experience, we do simply do not have enough permit commissions kitchen space in our community that is affordable or available. So it means that our city is full of food, businesses ready and waiting to scaling grow, but unable to do so with current regulations. We're grateful to partner with the assembly for years to try to streamline business development efforts, saving entrepreneurs time and money. This does that. And the repeal of these requirements represents another step forward in long-standing partnership with the municipality. So we thank you for that. Let's keep reducing paperwork that is unnecessary regulation and fees so that we can launch the next generation of vibrant businesses in our community. I'm happy to see the ordinance. I want to point out one additional area were miss alignment with state practice creates confusion for early-stage businesses. The Muni requires a more stringent food handlers card in the states. And let me just detail this in the last 30 seconds. But the Alaska Department of Environmental Conservation and a miss about of Anchorage currently have separate requirements for food worker cards. Both cards are valid for 3 years cost $10 and that S cover somewhere information, the state of Alaska except Anchorage card. But the municipality does not accept a state issue card. Chris confusion for our small business owners in the same way that the cottage food Miss alignment did. And I hope that could equally be addressed in future legislation. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Questions. Please come forward. If want to testify. Welcome, please. State your name. A part of town you're from. You'll have 3 minutes. >> Hi, my name is Monica Jansen. I am in the Midtown District and I'm one of those breakers that's trying to grow. So I am a vegan, gluten-free. Notably, Safe. Baker. So there are no. There are no commercial kitchens for me that can keep anything safe because if I use a commercial oven with the fans, all those include new things are gonna blow on to mine on things and make people sick. So this really is a game changer for me. This allows me to bridge that gap that he was talking about. So my goal is not to bake $300,000 worth of product out of my little home kitchen. My goal is to bl 2. Increase that cap because at 25 K that's not building a business that's gross sales. Maybe I net 3 K of income. You can't grow that way. And so what I'm looking to do is, you know, increase that cap, get my place. My Stephen Moore, things. 3rd party sales will help me. He'll help me grow. Into connecting with people to build a wholesale account and again, bridge that gap so that I can build up funds in a sustainable way. not death's door at every turn of the economy. And I can eventually build that gluten-free. Celiac, safe facility. Then I can point people can pay move. Or bring economy. You know, I'm losing my words. I'm sorry. I can pay back into the system. I can employ people. I came from Seward where I had a business down there. Climate change change that out business. The COVID changed all. I don't have. Hundreds of thousands of funds to build this. This literally is my only way to hit my dream. So it's just again, a game changer. And I want to thank everybody who's been working really h*** o* it because it means a lot. >> Thank you. Anyone else wish to be heard on item. I guess one person for the phone her. >> Hi, you've reached leads right now. >> All right. thank you. Anyone first Mayor. none public hearings so close about move to approve the original. Her second >> Motion to approve. You might from second by Mister or MS Saunders. This problem. >> briefly say I am one of the co-sponsors. This along with member Silvers and really want to think the health department the mayor's office for taking lead on this and working through. it's it's challenging to update our codes into balance the protecting the public's health because we do have health powers. That's one of our responsibilities as immunity but also not standing in the way of folks being able to grow. And so in my estimation, this meets that Mark. There's certainly more work we can Mr. Kirk Rose from icy out. He spoke future work. I know others have reached out about that and so there's certainly more we can do. But I think this is a great step. So I would support. Thanks. Mr. Johnson. >> Yeah, thank you. I guess I just pick your Steve. Perhaps you're from the sponsor, version. I mean, as I understand, this is also seems to be in line with the more general intent to bring our code line with state I was wondering perhaps to get an explanation. On why perhaps we would consider the s version instead of original. >> Can >> make a motion to amend the original to include verbiage from the U.S. >> Thank you. Have to be a little more specific. I can move the version. Well, we make a motion to substitute. I don't know. That would pass. I think first, the question, Mr. Johnson has the floor because, you know, what does it do? What is so that I don't know about the Florida's next in the queue, but that's fun So talking on the U.S. version. >> The not rewriting reinventing the wheel here. >> just moves to include the state has opened up. To allow raw milk and they detailed the storage and labeling requirements and this would just be again >> coming into alignment with what the state has done. Ok, thank sounds like there's going to be a motion related to the U.S. for something called just >> yield the floor for Mr. Mccormick. And with the version. So motion a substitute correct? Okay. There's a motion to make instruments. Ament. by summer's. >> I believe I spoke to the intent of what I was looking to do just coming in compliance. Alignment with what is I accepted and allowed everywhere else in the state, believe except for Anchorage. So Jen, the >> I guess for still speak kind of to the original. And then I'll add in some comments about So really excited about this ordinance overall, which aligns with the new state laws that limit unnecessary bureaucracy increases more supportive environment for small local college food businesses to grow and thrive and gives a customers, you know, more choices as well. The S version I was a real big supporter of Representative State Bill, which also in part loosened restrictions on milk products in a safe and practice away. I myself used these products for many and I have to get them from the Mat-su Valley cannot get them in Anchorage. So this would line us a line us more fully with the recent state changes which were well vetted and widely supported. >> And it would support locally grown businesses. It would allow consumers to purchases. Project products here in Anchorage rather than going to the mat su. so I would actually really love to see these changes go forward. And I vote yes on amendment. >> Have myself. Thank you, Mr. Constance, thanks. Mister You come forward. Before she gets here. I think that. it's definitely opinion it's safe. It can definitely say that the law made it safer than it would be otherwise on that. And lot around. These things allows really safe in the end, but it is a matter of personal choice, Mr. Ash, can you discuss what happens if does or doesn't pass with our code relative to the state law? >> Yeah. So best has Assembly member McCormick had mentioned. It's currently in state code. health department does not currently regulate raw milk. That is a state function. So regardless of this, if this is included or not, the state would continue to enforce and register those that are producing that raw milk. >> So effectively with or without it doesn't change the law in Anchorage. >> Yeah, thanks. say I'm I'm somewhat indifferent to And I understand the safety concerns. I guess Mrs. I did have one question and thank you for answering earlier. So so, yeah, as I understand it, this is not something that we're regulating today. Is that correct? Correct. So I'm wondering Whether or not this passes. So say, for example, there's a seller in Anchorage. We're not we're not regulating them today. Forget that the change and then they produce a product that does make several people sick. And then they start calling the health department. So what happens in that situation who is responsible for enforcement of that? It would be the state. And then if the state needed additional assistance, the Department of Health, they would engage with the health department. >> Same thing sort of happens when we investigate Texas Diseases, Tuberculosis, for example, the state often runs point and then we work in tandem with them. So essentially there is there would be enforcement retroactively if there wasn't. >> Problem discovered and then either way we're not being involved in say were involved only as a Thank you. Mr. >> Actually Mrs. Because temperatures for a moment yes, I'm sure one of the having. Thank you for those previous answers. Having heard his answers, one of the members discussed potentially having to go to other neighboring jurisdictions to buy certain products. Would outcome of ordinance change that our other products that not allowed for sale here in Anchorage. Now, that would be if the s version were to pass. >> Since we don't have any real insight into that. I don't know how many are We don't have optics into that. We only have what within our coats. I don't know how many people produce raw milk in municipality or if it is strictly just out in outside of the municipality. So I don't have that specific answer for you. >> Okay. So I guess just ask it more plainly and again, if if you don't have the answer, that's fine. Does this ordinance? Allow the sale of raw milk where it is not currently allowed. I have to get back to OK? Maybe I'll ask. And sponsor of the s Persian. But that's okay. Mister Chair Mister McCormick. Is it your understanding that or intent behind this s version it would allow the sale of raw milk and encourage as it is not currently allowed. >> Yeah, I'd say there's obviously a lot of gray area here as like doing all this back and forth. lot of like not entirely sure answers. Let's just make it clear. And that be done with the gray area. >> Here's I'm not just gonna maybe. Have an idea. And put this out there per members consideration. But Friday that I will say thank you to all of, you know, the mayor and the assembly co-sponsors and sponsor of the that's person for your AG sullen work on this legislation. sorry, had to do it. But thank you. Thank you. an idea that I have is I wonder if we might postpone this until 12, 2. And in the interim prefer it to our chief medical officer for his review and So I would make that motion. So there's motion postpone their second. >> I second that motion, Mr. Baucus and moved Mister Rivera. Second, the motion postponed December 2nd for review by the chief medical officer. >> Thank you. I for myself. I appreciate that coming forward I know that most of this is just to start in line with what the state is doing. But I would find it instructive personally onto know maybe more about the risk of raw milk and what that entails from a public health standpoint. And I would also just like to have a little bit more clarity around what is currently allowed to be sold. And how this ordinance might impact that. Thanks. >> I speak against postponement. Not because I'm not interested in those issues, but I know that and I know we always say there's been a lot of work on this, but I think there's a lot of small businesses who really need this relief. And so and I know this question did come up actually missed. Silvers, asked that of the health department. We had some discussion by email and there was discussion about coming back to this question in a future ordinance. And so I just want to say that's another option is to not to. 2. Not to stop the conversation about raw milk, but to say that perhaps that could be a separate piece of legislation rather than holding this went up another >> current I would also against postponement. This is just >> coming in alignment and doing with gray area. It sounds like. The city is not prosecuting against people that that are selling raw milk. So let's just get rid of gray area of what it's kind of been agreed upon. It could already be happening. >> put myself in the queue up Mr. Constance. Yeah, I actually the health Department directors answer was a little fuzzier than reality. reality is what the state law says he's allowed is loud. I think that's fair reading with the state law says is restricted is restricted and so my understanding this is this just reiterates the state law. Functionally doesn't change anything. It doesn't add that encourage will not regulate this. It does point to some ways that encourage want to regulate this, which could provide some confusion and a gray area. I think that it's actually much more clear. The state law is the law on this question. And so. For my part, it would love to hear from the chief medical officer for likes and not super bound. Mr. President yet. I don't know if the people who out there who are listening to this debate even understand what the heck we're talking about. So I would really love if maybe the sponsor of version. You've said. >> It makes things clear. I'd love for someone to I'm looking through these but just just speak very clearly about the difference between a este version of the regular version, specifically. What does it do or an act that is different from the regular version or what is the intent? They did it with the sponsor of first. Just specifically, what does it do that very includes raw milk, which as you can tell, is a gray area. And if we're sitting up here arguing no one out there that a cottage law backyard farmer. >> Is going to be able to understand it. We set up here and can agree on what it is either. We have food deserts in this town because we can't keep grocery stores open. We have a food security problem. We're arguing of weather. So in their backyards bill does so milk or eggs. >> I still don't understand. So I'm I'm so not not clear. What what what does it includes raw milk. What? What is think? Mr. President and the floor should have been a little more. I just kind of relax tonight. Mister Mayor is next. Thank you, Mr. Chair. So I just want to. >> Assertions that the chair made, which I believe are valid. But want to check that with our legal Is there someone? Could be council could be you law who can speak to. The statements that the chair made regarding the clarity. >> Could you give us a for one moment to come for? Sure. Thanks. While you're doing that, would you look for any reference in the code for raw Milk? Mr. Chair. Can we just revisit this later on this evening? But it turns are getting pretty close. So I think that that's a question to prompt tries to. The performance law. Time for Shakespeare. Sure. this Silver he Mr. Very. You're next in the queue for us on this. going with. You're right. On the stores. That's the look of. I'm ready. >> response to the question. As currently written in code and under the original version of the sale of raw milk be allowable under the municipal code. Would be governed by state law and state administrative code. And as stated by the sponsor of version, version just makes that explicitly clear and contains the reference to the political version of the Alaska Administrative Code that would govern that for provision. That's making it. >> So to answer Mrs question, the chair was speaking. ♪ I know you were questions. Find a question. I think appreciate that. But So the answer is yes. >> I just wanted to provide a little more clarity Cameron's question about, like what is raw milk, the type of raw milk products that I think people purchase some that I purchases like got milk, yogurt. Milk. Cheese, kiefer and various products like that. >> I thank you, Mr. President and yet. thanks to that of those really helpful. And I would just were on the motion to postpone. Yes, yes, so I would encourage my colleagues not to postpone this. I think that the original version is ready to go. Lot work that's been done on it. It's really important. I my understanding of the s version, is it just states what already in state law? And I'm and I'm not sure value to Also, I would encourage folks to not postpone this. Allow us go back to original version, her version and pass it tonight. Thanks. I strongly getting the Q Q >> I think I'm I can support as well happy to withdraw my motion. will just say, I think I guess I would just remind us as a body that we have a great resource in our chief medical officer. Think right now we have someone who is well-qualified and super competent. So has his questions come up. I hope that we can think of that as a person to weigh in on some of these pieces of legislation that comport. Thank you. >> So the motion to postpone has been withdrawn. And we're back on the question of motion to substitute. wrong. >> Thank Yeah. And I again understand the general principles. This as I reread some of the language I'm looking at Page 8 in particular, it says that that the municipality is not this is really a legal question. The municipality does not regulate this. It is regulated through the state. The references those pieces because we would be putting it in our local code. Does that create any expectation or requirement to? For the Muni to step in and regulate because it says, for example, it does recognize the state, but also says that they must have current registration with the state, et cetera. So I'm just making sure again that there's no gray area where we're creating something that says we don't regulate this. And also there are conditions that are put in here that are defined in code. So the question is, is does the way that it's written, create any expectation or any or any legal authority to actually. Check if someone has a state registration or not. >> I wouldn't say that creates a requirement. However, the fact that we have it would encode it and the municipal code does give us the ability to do some enforcement if. issue were brought to our attention that I don't think it creates an expectation or requirement of us to start going around inspecting. Milk and milk products. Thanks. Yeah. spoke to situations where the municipality misses the state's thank you. >> Mr. Johnson. >> Yeah, thank you. I think. >> That's your brolly asked the question. I was going to ask for less. But the answer we received from Mr. Heard I think has me feeling more inclined to support the S version doesn't seem to create any new burdens for the municipality. But in those instances where somebody is not comply with state law or potentially creating a health hazard, that we would have a mechanism to perhaps takes action. Feels like it creates some some potential utility. So my mind, a Preston use here, but but not much downside so based on that, I think inclined support the S version here. That's when Pearson. >> Thank you. Mister Chair from May just offer comment about why you might be seeing puzzled looks and some of us here. The administration side. I think it's because generally speaking when something is regulated by the state in the municipal code is silent on it. We defer to state regulations matter fall. So it is somewhat inconsistent with the way in which like that privacy of state law works with vis-a-vis the municipality for us to explicitly say we follow state law because we have to state law. There is no we unless we explicitly given the opportunity to make our laws, know, additive to state law some way. The general framework of laws that again, the to the we all fall a federal law that we all follow state law. And from there, we have the opportunity to make some tweaks in our municipal code. I think that's part of our president part of it. Also. I think it's some of the language in here which I know in reading it myself. I say what does it mean for us to implement within the municipality? The state program for raw Milk that somewhat. It's just it's just it's divergence from generally and how we would. generally would defer wholesale to what's written in the administrative code and into the last statutes and look to that should govern how things are tough to be regulated. Within minutes. again, that's a default, Jose, like there's no if it were not regulating. that's where we go. So I think that's where you're getting some puzzle chases from the side of the room. Thank you, Mr. Chair. And not just from that side of the >> Mr. Mccormick. >> Yeah, I think there's a lot of puzzled faces and that's why we need to make it clear because we just spent 30, 40 minutes with multiple attorneys trying to figure out the answer here, which means backyard farmers don't 100. This was to hire an attorney to try and figure this out. Like let's just make it easy. I appreciate member Johnson's comments that there's very little downside. This as we have now figured out and been light and this regulated by the state. There's no liability risk to us. Let's just make it clear. So people in Anchorage know what they can do and get get local fresh food from their neighbors. Thank you. >> Mr. Pressure Yeah. Last this. I think this makes it less clear. The state law is very clear. Putting this into our own code. I think in in this way confuses it. And so I think. Not saying anything about it allows to defer to state law, which is very, very clear. And so I think as we heard this is not typical in terms of what we do. And I think these actions make it more confusing. So I would really encourage colleagues let's follow practice that the law is very clear at the state level and we would just have to defer to that. So that's that's my last pitched. Thanks. Mr. Formed. Thank you, Mister Chair. I going to say that I think we should. >> Move. >> murder. last coming on this for Take the vote. Mr. Constant. Yeah, it was asserted that. Person producing raw milk shouldn't turn, doesn't have an attorney. I would recommend anybody producing. Dairy products and selling them on the market. Has an attorney because you're probably 10 to one more likely compared to non. Providers to need So. With that on the question, members may proceed to vote. The motion is substance to it. >> Number Martine, U.S. Member Baldwin Day. >> If I vote of 5 to 7 and the youth member votes. Yes, yes. The motion fails to pass for back on the main motion. Any further discussion. members proceed to vote. >> Number, Monday. Yeah. Number Martinez. >> vote of 12 to 2025, Dash, one, 14 and the youth member votes. Yes, yes. 2025, dash one, 14 asbestos money. next, we have item 14 J which is 2025 dash, one, 19, ordinance amending elections code title to Section 2 to $49.03, 5, recognition community councils to DOT 40, stylish, one of community councils and to do it for own. I know community council maps order carry out the 10 year of Community Council district boundaries. Public hearing up before we open the public Herrmann. This probably speak to the plan. >> Yeah, I think you we have been requested to postpone this item. 2, the meeting of December second so we take testimony tonight. We're also going to schedule a work session and bully for this Friday so that we can dig into this a little further because we understand there's there's you are welcome to testified now or to hold until that future hearing offer that. >> The anticipated scope of changes are not substantive enough. 2 likely cause continued public hearing. Our a new public hearing, if you all. And so if you testify tonight, then you would use opportunity to speak to the matter changes are proposed. So with that public hearings now open anyone wish to testify tonight. Again, this item is likely to be continued to another night. Coming forward. Welcome, please, state your name part of town. You're from. You 3 minutes. >> I'm going fight as an individual tonight. We might have someone here our community council or to next meeting test fighting. Second. The okay, please state your name part of time from 3 minutes. Steve Cowan university Area Community Council. >> That's what that's where I live. And I just so happen President Lincoln Castle. I'm not representing the commute counsel at this time. It's a sport postponing this. One reason is we. Probably emerge with tutor area committee counsel. We have not come up with a new name yet. It's been nice to have a little more time to. Discuss that with our community The other item just want to point out. There was a resolution. So Page 1036 that just so happened. Signs resolution we're against giving up that area between tutor. No lights. Backstrom Boniface. That's all I'm going to say. Thank you, Steve. Welcome. Anyone else want to testify on this item. Again, this time this public hearing will be continued to the meeting. Second. All right. That's right. >> Moved to continue the public hearing to the meeting of December 2nd second. >> Motion continuous probably second by Mister Myers and the discussion. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. You want to come on back? She has a question for Steve. The other substances are a lot of pressure. We come back next time. Just speak up. If I miss you >> You know how many people are in your community council? >> You know that. That's a good question in the problem we have we have a lot of trans people in our community council area. So of the hospital, we also have the course university's complicates things somewhat. >> I was shocked find out that 2500 people were in the area between Baxter Pot Tutor northern estimating that we probably have. 8, 9, 10,000 maybe. >> And >> you know, possibly. You know, a small percentage that action short meetings. But having people at the hospital in stable, you could say, well, you know, we have all the students, loans, other people that would be eligible to be part council. Yeah. I mean, does anyone know off the top of her head? >> I know the neighboring community council that is wanting to take some of the people from community Council. I think you have 3,000 people total. So they're very undersized community council and they're surrounded by too much larger community councils. And so I guess I'm just trying to think of how to balance, you know, the desires of the community council, but also it's like that being equitable about the size of the community councils. >> We will to and I love it. It's actually pretty dense. This area is not as I thought there was maybe 1500 in that area. >> like >> the public hearings cross have a motion to continue the public hearing. And I wish to speak to that. Like to ask unanimous consent or injection. The motion. Senior traction. That item will be back for December. The second. Which brings us now 14 K. 14 2025, Dash, one, 20 an ordinance miss out of Anchorage, Alaska, authorizing negotiation between municipal manager in execution delivery by them in a spot of a person selling government for City Hall located. 6.32 West 6th Avenue related parking located at 6, 13, 6. 21 6.33, West 7th Avenue. by the chief risk officer of the ground, facilities least back to determine the terms and conditions including financing terms relating to the ground, least back an appropriation. She's a and appropriating the proceeds of such counties to public hearing on this item. It's now open. Anyone wish to be heard on this item. Senior. public hearing. This snow close with some have to prove. Second approve by rally in a second by Mister Before we get to member comments, Mr. Fauci has been asked to make. Thoughtful presentation, Mr. Fauci. Minus the superpower. No power plant. No. Have point thank you, Mr. Chair. >> Yes, I appreciate this consideration of this item. It's really addressing 2 buildings where to city hall find itself in the future. And if we by what mechanism do we use, Dewey is, as you know, this is a long-discussed issue. This municipality has been in what was formerly called the Hill Building since the 1970's, our current lease was signed in 2001. And we've been leasing the building since our first occupation and the current lease has an option for us to purchase the building at 97% of fair market value. The prior administration secured an appraisal for the building in May 2024, we came into this concept because we knew that the lease for the building expires at the end of this year. So we needed a solution. And of course, there are many potential options we could have negotiated a new lease to stay where we are and continue to rent. We could have gone somewhere else and that would have been leasing a new space or buying a different space or building a different space or we could execute the purchase option. We wanted to test those various options. And so as we mentioned to the assembly in the late on the this morning, we actually put out requests for proposals. 2025 P 7, which was just entitled provided office space for an alternate, a renewed city hall and that process really did not yield any solution. Other than city Hall stays in its present location. So we made the decision to move forward and then that heat up the question of do we continue to rent or do we buy the building? Our current landlord represents that the current triple net lease that we are paying is actually at under market rates. But we had no indication that we would be able to secure a new lease at under market rates. And we were very mindful of the fact that the appraisal for the building in the parking lots today. If y'all in by price is to 28 and half million dollars. But since 1979 and without adjusting for inflation, we've already paid more than 60 million dollars in rent. It looks to us as we were analyzing the possibilities that just no reason to keep doing that in perpetuity and will be in the municipality in the public's long-term best interest to just buy the building. And so we are now proposing to execute the purchase option that is in our current lease. What happens as a result of executing that option is that we effectively swapped out our current annual rent payment for a debt service payment. And that is more. The debt service payment is more than our current rent payment. But our annual operations and maintenance costs associated with the building go down largely because we are not passing. We're not paying property taxes that the private land owner has to pay and passes through. Back to us. And because we pick your property insurance at a much steeper discount because we have so many buildings and we procure our insurance with the school district, all of which when you put that together, should result in a small amount of annual savings for us even over the next 30 years of leasing. And of course, that rent payment, debt service payment and effectively go away. So that is a proposal that we after choosing that at long last many decades of discussion, whether we should own this building continue to rent it, that we would like to purchase it. We also clarified for the assembly. Haven't assumed any operational changes other than today. The maintenance is largely performed by the day-to-day maintenance sergeant performed by an individual who is a contractor and we will need to bring somebody in We have assumed that we'd continue paying the same amount that we're paying for. The contractor would just go to a new maintenance and operations facilities. Employee. when a very smart question from a member of into said, what if we by this building, how do we ensure that it stays in good repair and at least the initial pitches that today our lease obligates us to make about $205,000. Deposits into a tenant improvement in the Capital Reserve account associated with the building. We have assumed any changes to that. So if you pass a continuation budget next year, you would still have the budget ability to make that same level of annual deposits as a total aside and say that as owner of the building, I think we would also be motivated to make a number sufficiency changes good part of our current contractors. Days spent changing light bulbs because none of the fixtures and that building have been upgraded ladies. think we would make those kind of capital decisions were both saving time on the maintenance side and in the long term utility costs. So that's the building transaction inside. That's why we are proposing that it's now time for the municipality to own at City Hall. And then the quick note on the mechanism, the mechanism is a little bit inscrutable to those who have not dealt in the world of municipal finance or otherwise in the finance world and see the least leaseback mechanism. I think the way to potentially demystify it is to say that if the assembly approves this today, we are presently planning to transact with JP Morgan Securities. And so the way the least leaseback transaction work as you can think of it as step one. Jp Morgan Securities gives us the 35 million dollars. We need step 2. We use that building that money to buy the building from the current owner, which is Anchorage, public-private partnership of which we mostly deal with Mark Feffer step 3 is now that we are in possession of the building. We least city Hall to JP Morgan Securities because they just gave us 35 million dollars. And then finally step 4. Jp Morgan Securities leases the building back to us. At 1.8 million dollars a year for the next 30 years. So that ultimately winds up together, feeling a lot like we just borrowed. 35 million dollars from JP Morgan Securities. At 1.8 million dollars a year for the next 30 years. It's sort of little cumbersome because it involves all the least respect for Bijan machinations. But the essential business essence of the case. With that, I'm happy to answer any questions. We were gratified that the public got extraordinary notice of this transaction as we got a front page article in the Anchorage Daily News. And so far we've actually not really heard a lot of comments about it. I think folks have hopefully come to see it in a similar way that this is in the long-term best interests of municipality. I think you left off one detail. You said we lease it back from. >> The financing at 1.8 million dollars a year. But then. >> And then at the end of the term, we come into full position of the building and we are no longer paying debt service or rent to own. Yeah, but we really on the building. That's probably. Hear them over anything you would you like to speak the motion? >> Yeah. I mean, all say I think this makes a lot of sense. I think the part where I've been struggling partly because we know there's so much else going on. It was it was difficult for me to really grasp what this lease leaseback situation is because and the reason is not just because I need to understand it that because all of us are going to be answering questions and especially where did we get? 35 million dollars in an environment. We where we are saying which is also true. We don't have extra money. We don't know what our fund balance is. And so I think. I think the explanation makes me understand it better. But I still anticipate that we will get questions like that from the public and it will be hard to understand, even though it is very easy to understand that we already paid 60 million dollars it sounds like basically a private individual over 50 years, 20 years, whatever it what that the current owner so I guess my request would just be like I said, I support this. And also I'm really struggling to communicate how this creates value other than the very technical explanation. And so I'm trying to still get to somewhere. And does not ask for the dice right now, but how to translate that further into helping people understand that we're not just spending out. 35 million dollars all at once. I think that's really the challenge. But I appreciate the explanation. I appreciate all the information. And I would urge folks to look at the the answers questions that are in doubt. That was also very helpful. Thanks. >> Thank you. Price. Johnson. Yeah. Thank you for stuff. Thank you to the administration for investigating I look forward to coming back in 2055 and for the assembly and saying you're welcome, assuming that's all. Comes to pass >> just clarify a few things about the ordinance before us, though. So this would authorized the municipal manager to negotiate and execute a purchase and sale agreement so that we're not necessarily be a follow-up. Other item that would require approval by the assembly for for children but actually execute. Is that correct? That is correct. This would be the single vehicle. >> Okay. >> However, some look at this. And then based on the next play, she provided the sounds like this is this is a good deal. You know, the fact they're carrying costs reduced by around 300,000 year. Sounds great. However, as understand it, we're in the process of negotiating, right? I mean, are there any concerns that there may be in that process material changes to the purchase price or other parts of the deal structure that might. Impacts. You know what, we could call that the desirability from from our point of view, I guess I'm just. If you're slightly terminations about handing over that power and then realizing that we might ultimately have without another opportunity to that, take a stab at it. See something different from what we're contemplating here. Very fair question. Member Johnson to the chair. >> No, we're not expecting anything exotic about the purchase and sale agreement at all. We are again under title 7 to give you the essential terms of these agreements and here the essential term really is the purchase price and that we are acquiring the city hall parcel and the parking lots in front of them. We are actually in the midst of working on the agreement now in anticipation of a possible assembly approval. And I'll say everyone involved in the transaction. It said this is very vanilla agreement. really nothing other than we are buying the building. Ok? Thank you. Like, you silvers. >> Yeah, could have purchase that building. Multiple multiple times with what we have paid in lease payments so far. So I want to thank the administration for working to make sure that we do not. Pay least payments in the amount to purchase of multiple multiple more times into the future. definitely in support of >> The Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Maybe it's clarifying question for for, for my benefit. But my understanding is that the proposed fair market value was done. May of 2024. Is is that correct? >> That is correct. They were formally 2 appraisals because the whole transaction involves formally. I think it is 5 different. Lots city hall sits on one planted. And then the parking lot in front of city Hall to the south and by the tonight he's formally like 4 for 5 more lot. And so there was 2 different appraisals, as I say at the city Hall appraisal was made 2024. The parking lot appraisal came in after that. And I think it was this calendar year. So as the owner agreed that that is the current fair market value. Yes. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you. >> You >> know, I think that I mean, so member of Raleigh's point earlier, it's >> when we're sitting here are saying around a fiscal cliff and you know where there's multiple things like 5 different tax proposals on the table. I think that it's a it's a hard thing for people to wrap their heads around that. Oh, by the way, we're going to. You know, we're going to commit. 35 million dollars were going to buy a building you know. So the timing obviously is is not ideal. Do I do understand? Of course, you know, we've been renting this son of a gun for quite a while and understand the arguments for it. But it just, you know, that the timing is really isn't ideal. And I don't think it's better at all at any point. But thank back. And they March air. I think we are mindful of that as well. There was a different version of this transaction considered. >> Which you'll see in this document. We're also intending to finance some essential improvements replace the roof, which is at its end of useful life from there, a place the fire alarm system which also needs to be fixed. It's broken currently the divergence transaction could have been. Well, we're going to part of this building. We could also finance a bunch of tenant improvements. So we thought about that. But really born of our sort of municipal poverty. We just couldn't get there. And so we landed largely as is where is except for the roof for the fire system because that led us to have small amount of year-over-year incremental savings. I think we're taking some myself in the queue. It's a constant. >> 7 asking this question for stories. I've been on this body. When are we going to get the middleman out of the way and stop printing building? We've been 3 times or so. So this just it's the only thing that makes sense at this point. I will say on our trip that we just took. We visited a city. That had gone through a major crisis, lost thousands of people in earthquake and tsunami. Because of their federal investment. They built a new city hall. The city hall we went into was basically. 20 months old, 18 months old. And it was so extraordinary. A rooftop room that showed you the whole city. You could walk around and interpret the beauty of the city. Some of the chamber inside the building with a viewing was room for testifiers. All just pristine. The mayor's offices, sweets and offices for large meetings and small meetings. It would be so nice to be in that city, not the trauma that they went through, but the fact that they've been able to invest in themselves and they see a future bright enough for themselves to do that. And I think that this argument is an argument in the brightness of our future that we are the rightful stewards of owning our own city hall that we should be the ones that possesses so that we can unilaterally and individually make decisions about how we organize the floors and how we organize the structures. I long for the day when encourages flush and healthy financially so that we can be like our neighbors and our sister cities. But until that day, this is the best deal I believe. And I urge your support. There's a problem. >> Thanks. Just one other question to make sure understand. So the payments that would make his 1.8 million a year. And then what is the duration of those? And he said the number of years. But I missed it. >> And 30. Okay. So it's like a mortgage essentially, OK, thank you. >> comers proceed to vote. We care could sorry called in a things for speaking up, responded, asking the site and see yet. >> Thank you. 1, 1, final question for Mister Fawzi. How how does this 1.8 million per year square with what we are currently paying right on an annual basis. >> Thank you for the question. Member bald I'm pulling up the. Assembly member which I believe. Details that we are currently paying 1.8, 7, 1 million in rent for the building and 2.1, 2 million in annual operations and maintenance for a total carrying costs of about 4 million dollars after the transaction. We're going to incur a new annual lease payment, which is like the debt service of 2.3, 5, I think I was using the wrong number describing this before. But 2.3, 5, but our annual operations and maintenance costs decreased approximately 1.3 And that's how you get to the annual net carrying cost savings of about $300,000. >> Thank for that. That seems like a really helpful things to be able to share with the public that. We are. In fact, saving money. We're being more fiscally responsible by engaging and essentially a rent own agreement versus continuing to pay. Read Thank you. A couple. >> And what Thanks for speaking on the spot it's easy miss the on the phone. Seeing members may proceed to vote. >> Verbal Monday. Member Martinez. >> I vote of 11 to one of the number of votes. Yes, 2025 dash, one, 20. house. The body. Next. We 14 all for $10 and 2025 dash 2021. No, that's authorized relinquish Mont of one recorded. One recorded by document 60 foot water and sanitary sewer easement located on former Kincaid states tracked one 2003 Dash. 95. No, no snow. We're glad West part. We agree. Public hearing on the side of a snow open. I wish to be heard in the Senate. none of the current Harris. I'm close with of the body but to Second question, most probably somewhere in role. discussion. >> Yeah. Just all say thank you to WW for providing and more clear If you look in the original item, it's it's just a drawing and it's not clear where it is in physical Please look at the additional late on the table and I am for a clear map of what this is. Thanks. >> none members proceed to vote. Member. Martinez. Number. But Monday. On a vote of 12, 0 news number of votes. Yes, yes, 2025 dash one. 21 has passed the body. You know, item 14 2025, dash one. 22 ordinance of the municipality of Anchorage, Alaska, authorizing providing for the issuance of general obligation, refunding bonds. >> Of the municipality to provide funds required to refund certain outstanding general obligation bond for matter of self said farms pledging the full faith credit municipality. The payment thereof authorizing authorized representative. We spoke turn the manner of self said Ponce unrelated matters. Public hearing on the same snow thing. When should be heard in the Senate. none. Public hearing of the Senate must now close with swelled by move to approve. Motion to approve most probably her second second second Responed. Any discussion. And seeing none members may proceed to vote. >> both Monday. Amber Martinez. >> And a vote of 12 0 in number of votes. Yes, yes. 2025 dash one. 22 is past the body. So that takes us through all of our public hearing on next are quasi judicial restraint alcohol marijuana matter. So at this point, we excuse or youth member, thank you. sponsor for participating with us tonight. Next item up us versus 10 or 2025. Dash 3.26 A resident shipping Christmas somebody standing is conditional protests regarding the renewal of beverage dispensary or 4, 1, 7, 3, the North's months for Eagle River Alehouse LLC. Dba members could bring company Eagle River located at 1, 1, 9, 1, old Glenn Highway in River, Alaska. 9, 9, 5, 7, 7, The public hearing on this item is now open. Anyone to be heard on this item. Senior in public hearing snow close with some of the move to approve site, Mr. Meyer saying Russia Kercher, any discussion. just say that. I'm surprised didn't hear anything I often hear from people talking about how loud it is when he throws the summer concerts there. But they sure are going events. And I do hear complaints, but they are making here. Those concerts are over. >> They're building a 15 blocks behind it now. So you won't have those complaints the Mr. Myers reports Concert venue is no more. was finally you could get it. That probably is whether or not the place. If there's nothing further members may proceed to vote. Martinez. Number, but one day. And a vote of 12 to 0 2025, dash 3.26 Us past the body. Next item. 15 be Reza share of 2025 dash 3.27 resolution banker Chance with somebody sings conditional protest regarding their new extra or 5, 7, to 3 for Anchorage Jail. House LLC dba the continental located at 2030, C Street and courage. Alaska. Public hearing the still open. we should be heard in the Senate. Senior. Public hearings now close. What will the body to prove second with Mister Myers was in stereo second, sprawling. Any discussion. Seeing hearing numbers may proceed to vote. >> Number Monday. Yes, member Martinez. >> vote of 12 to 0 era 2025 dash 3.27 Minutes past the body. Next. Have 15 C? There are 2025 dash 3.30, to a resolution to increase responsibly approving alcohol, especially news for Mitt for the retail sale of alcohol with winery retail license. Number 6, 0 63 for Onsite Brewing Company LLC dba Cirque cider company and to be 3 General Business District located at 32 11 Denali Street within Kelly Subdivision block for one through 6, located south of East 32nd Avenue west of the Seward Highway North East 33rd Avenue 9th Street and encourage public Snow open. Anyone wish to be heard on this item. Seeing public hearing on the Senate was no close. What will the money? family's problems, are any discussion. none members. We're seeing vote. >> We're about one day. Member. Martinez. >> So on a vote of 12 to 0 2025, dash 3.32, is pass a body which concludes or action agenda for the night will move now on to audience participation. He hurt. Please come forward. Welcome, please. State your name. A part of town you're from. You'll have 3 minutes. I will impact room. Took care of you. >> What a >> Alaska Farm Bureau to have a chapter here in Anchorage. And I now working on the Grange was just another agriculture organization. I think what we need here A farmer rule chapter. Maybe a Grange chapter 2. And also we need maybe a agriculture, you know, I think we need it. One of the things I believe we need is agriculture building building on airport for native son at that corporation and up. I worked and all these people I'm pushing things really hard. Really hard. And I talked to Lisa Murkowski is office. I talked to a Nick talked a lot of people and and we today I was all walking around my sticker shirts walking around in the end net them aren't minors to anything. And I walked around other things, too. And I I go to these things next next week I go to the farm thing here shared hotel. So I really work hard to do this. But I think we need to. I think I'm going to work on getting Farm bureau. One reason we need we need the farm girl. And I think a lot of times I think what I'm working trying work on out there at Grange is, you know, he you know, they look like the Grange could get involved with the Cuban Council here. And I think the greens would also good. The Grange would good here for counsels. You like have like Comey gardens and stuff like that. I think that that would be too. And that's another thing working on. but, you know, and I have and the mayor here, I want to thank the mayor here. there are Help a committee garden on wasn't in Griffin and I 14th. was great. And I think that we could work with guards with And I Grange would be the bill won't do it. >> Anyone else wish to be heard. Please come forward. All right. Please stand him apart. Attended from you have 3 minutes. >> chaining up a secret formally coalition for homeless. So so NASCAR bill, I love that guy. are always some initiative. Some time understand what foot. He's definitely committed to it. And we slipped So that said got you does put a Watch. That thing play out 30 35 minutes. And it got to the point of almost becoming a parody or satire skit where, you you specially have number of people up here with build excuse me with beards and Jeff and the mustache competition for Mister Johnson's going against Mr. Mccormack against Mr. Bolland Mark on Sunday about who gets the better of my stash the Scots discuss the of the rim raw milk how that plays out. And then obviously the ultimate winner is a security guard. Brandon out back is he has a majestic mustache. But, you know, he would win the competition. So where we go from here. So it is a bit of a comedy sketch routine, but it's something some point time. think you've lost the plot. Because you spend 30 45 minutes on things like that. But I can tell you there's people freezing outside right now and they're not getting help. you know, I'm I'm cheering for the worst. I want to go out there every single night see what's going on and were last there being run into the ground and just by the weather and also by the police. And it's sort of what's playing out right now. The side of town I couldn't name the spot. yeah. And they're not getting help. And and some more or I just I I wish people would listen. I'm trying to do an impassioned plea. I'm realizing beating a dead horse. But I'm hoping that people will do the right thing continue to try to come here hoping people will do the right thing because the Typhoon victims, even owners, federal funds, the kind gold standard, you know, and they're getting a good set of care and relief. And and, you know, they are with stints essentially hotel rooms within the better spanning 2 weeks. And, you know, I fear what happens when that funding is gonna run out on the bright outside and they'll be right under. If you know the meat grinder, the police are going right now just placing people in the city. And yeah, there's not a whole lot more than I can say that. Please trying to support the people outside. They need it. They're not getting it. 3 options right now are you know, the safety patrol. And they say that takes the safety center. It's the jail. You know, you go there. You just go to a nest of us facility or go to a former strip club and, you know, maybe lucky enough to get me out. So tell if you are and need better options and need thing so they stay alive long enough to get housing. Thank you. also wish to read. Please come forward. am a part of town. You're from out of 3 minutes. >> Thank you. My name is I'm from turning instead of town. >> It would you pull that microphone down. Thank you. >> Mia, my little self. Welcome. I'm Savannah. I'll introduce myself against the banishment. Turn again side of Anchorage. >> I'm a resident of Anchorage and I'm here share an experience that I had Sunday November. 2nd. My washer broke. So I went to the laundry mat. While doing laundry at the local laundromat. I attempted to leave when I was finished. I was loading my bags into my car when another individual intentionally parked behind my vehicle and refused to move. Deliberately blocking deliberately blocking me from exiting. I was the way the car park was so close next to me that I couldn't even get into my own vehicle. I was stuck outside of my vehicle. Unable to get a way of a situation. And at this point in time, I called 9, 1, I called 9-1-1 at one. 55 pm. Apd told me that they were going to dispatch somebody and then I should see somebody soon. That didn't happen AP didn't arrive. 3 hours later. And I had been locked out of my car. In the middle of the street in the parking lot because the safe place that I was at the laundromat where I found safe to do my laundry, the individual who blocked me in. When did laundry too. And this person held me for over 2 hours going into 3 hours into this parking lot. Unlawfully restraint. There is no law and it falls between a gap as far as statutes for protection. Sorry, I'm a little bit nervous. stood up before anybody and asked for help like this so basically this incident has revealed a troubling gap and protections for Anchorage residents. Right now, there appears to be no clear consequences for someone who has intentionally trapped locked, intimidated or in any way on lawfully restrain a person unless it escalates to physical harm. I have 2 children. My children were at home. I needed to get to them. I couldn't get to them. That put me in jeopardy that put my children jeopardy. Also put my safety in jeopardy because I don't know who this other individual I got lucky. I truthfully got lucky that day because I am who I am. And that person happened to be who that person is. At the end of the day. But not everybody's case is going to be like that. I could have been a different person. That person could have been different and it could have endangered both people. No one should be unlawfully restrained, harassed or intimidated while going out and about during their daily life. What happened to me could happen to anyone and without stronger protections. Others may not be fortunate to have law enforcement intervene that before situations get worse. I'm here to respectfully ask and urge the assembly to consider the following questions. How can we better protect better protect citizens from deliver acts of harassment and unlawful restraint. How can we better support faster responses from law enforcement and similar situations? And how can we cook? How can we create clear enforceable laws that prevent intentional intimidation, restraint of others in public or private spaces? I strongly encourage the assembly to review encourage occurrence, current ordinances and explore the new measures and ensure accountability and prevent incidents like this from happening again. Every Anchorage resident deserves to feel safe, supported and free from intimidation in their daily lives. Thank you guys. I really appreciate it. I actually this after this incident because it did happen Sunday Monday morning. I called the prosecutor's office. The prosecutor is the one who urged me to come here today and speak before you guys because I do fall between a gap in mall with statutes as to where I was. I guess, station early kidnapped in a sense I was unable to leave. I was trapped. I was intimidated. I was harassed. I was yelled at. For the record off the record. Whatever it may be, this person happened to be an 80 year-old woman who was having a bad day just decided to take it out on me. But that doesn't, you build anything better. Because what if she came upon somebody? That's not me. There's a lot of self-defense laws in Alaska as well. And it could put her in very much danger as well or had it been somebody propping me to get taken? >> going read. miss home in the queue. First. Sorry. for your communication is an earlier to the chief of police and he did say that if provide your farmer to what tourney he will call you first thing in the morning to make sure are that the laws? Were applied faithfully and he is ready for your car. He'll call you if you And that she's missed starting out there. he is expecting to hear from you or he will. He's expecting your number so you can call you otherwise. We have our public safety committee that can really take this question up and the time MS. Right for us in our cycle. But again, I'm sorry up front and that's how terrible. And it does sound like you were kidnapped. So but chief of police will be carved of your number. >> Absolutely. Thank you so much. Pressure that now or later. >> She's ready for now. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Absolutely. Thank you for your time. And a switch to be heard. We'll now move on to something member comments. Start with Mister President. No comments. Thank you, The comments, a teacher, Mr. comments, thank you. No comments. Thank you. probably. >> just remind members to make sure to get your budget amendments to our budget analyst Matthew Farina, by the end of day Wednesday, it does not need to be a complete thought, but really just an idea so that you can talk about what you're trying to do and kind of work shopping on the back. So so please be in touch with him as soon as possible if you haven't. And that we all I have the benefit of seeing the amendments on Friday, things. Mr. culture. Thank Miss Balding >> Nothing for me thank you. >> Thank you. Miss Overs. No comments. Thank you. Martine No additional comments Q Mister McCormick comments saw couple things. One remind folks 14 Jace about 2 inches of paper in your packet. Please save it. clerks intent next meetings not to reprint that the December second meeting, which is a community council vendors. There will be document with a link that you can open up, but we don't want to kill another tree. You can take the one that's in your packet. If you don't have a packet, there's a box of them out there in the lobby. You can pick up off the ground so just get yours. Now these are for everyone. Then and then second, I want to think APD today provided for us the dashboard for. Camp and fire have inforcement. And I think folks been asking for that for a while understand how those laws have been implemented and what's happening with them. So if you haven't seen any mail, please check it out. I don't have the link handy. But it's app's homepage. If you want to check it out to sea, how APD Nft are implementing those laws. So I want to thank the team for getting that out in out so that members can track the performance of the Fidelity to thought law. Speaking of halls so otherwise. Thank everybody for good meeting. Next meeting as ultimate program at the year as the budget, we will get it done. if we don't get it done before the end of the month will meet every single day until it's done. So let's get it done. But that members, well ♪ ♪ >> can thank got. ♪ ♪