. >> GOOD EVENING EVERYONE AND WELCOME. I WILL CALL TO ORDER THIS BLOOMINGTON CITY COUNCIL MEETING MONDAY, MARCH 9TH, 2026. THIS IS A STUDY SESSION WE HAVE THREE ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT COUNCIL ITEMS TWO ORGANIZATIONAL BUSINESS AND THEN 2.1 IS A DISCUSSION REGARDING OUR FRANCHISE FEES RATE AND 2.2 IS A REVIEW OF OUR URBAN FOREST MASTER PLAN AND ITEM 2.3 AS A CLOSED ITEM AND THAT WILL BE AN EVALUATION OF OUR CITY MANAGER'S PERFORMANCE ON HIS FIRST MONTHS ON THE JOB. THOSE ARE THREE ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING UNLESS THERE ARE CHANGES OR ADDITIONS I WOULD MOVE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA TONIGHT MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER DALLESSANDRO TO ACCEPT TONIGHT'S AGENDA. OH VICTOR, I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS TO ACCEPT TONIGHT'S AGENDA NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. I OPPOSED THE MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN WITH US YET THIS EVENING GOT IN TRAFFIC IS MY GUESS WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR AGENDA ITEM 2.1 THIS IS OUR FRANCHISE FEES RATE DISCUSSION I THINK WE HAVE OR ECONOMY SCHOLER I SEE. BOB SIMONS COMING UP JULIE LONG IS ALSO ON THE LIST BUT SHE MIGHT BE JUST COMING DOWNSTAIRS FROM THE WATERSHED MEETING. OH THERE SHE IS AND BACK IS LANE LONG? >> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL JULIE IS HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IF WE NEED TO REALLY BUT I ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL IS AWARE THAT KAT KNUTSON FROM CENTER POINT IS HERE AND SCOTT JOHNSON FROM EXCEL IS HERE TO JOIN US TONIGHT AND SO IT'S GOOD FOR OUR AGENDA TONIGHT. WE'LL JUST GO THROUGH THESE ITEMS THE TIMELINE SOME HISTORY ON THE FRANCHISE FEES STATUS AND CONDITIONS AND RETAINING WALLS, FINANCIAL CONSIDERATIONS AND DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION. IT'S THIS IS JUST A STUDY ITEM AND MOVE FORWARD ON THAT 1AA YEAR AGO WE WERE HERE BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL FOR REQUESTING THE FRANCHISE FEE INCREASE. WE HAD BROUGHT BEFORE THE COUNCIL A FIXED RATE INCREASE AND WE LOOKED AT ALSO ADDING RETAINING WALLS AND SUSTAINABILITY FEE TO OUR FRANCHISE FEE CATEGORIES AND WE HAD NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS AND WALK AROUND WITH THE COUNCIL DURING FROM ABOUT APRIL THROUGH JUNE AND THEN IN JULY WE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING AND EVENTUALLY THE COUNCIL ASKED US POSTPONE ADDING ANY RATE INCREASES LAST YEAR AND ASKED TO COME BACK FOR THIS YEAR. AND SO DURING THAT TIME FRAME WE LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS WITH PERCENTAGE RATES AND FIXED RATES AND SO BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS THE MARCH TO JULY TIME FRAME WHERE WE'LL LOOK AT HOPEFULLY THE RATES AND THEN DIRECTION TONIGHT AND THEN WE'LL GO TO IF WE MOVE FORWARD WE'LL CREATE A LIKE TALK PAGE WILL HOST AN OPEN HOUSE AND THEN DEPENDING ON WHERE THE COUNCIL WANTS MORE DIRECTION OR MORE GUIDANCE ON THINGS, WE WOULD BRING MORE MEETINGS WITH THE COUNCIL ON BEHIND THE SCENES BEFORE WE HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. WE WOULD LOOK TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING LATER THIS SPRING AND THEN EARLY FALL IMPLEMENTATION WITH THAT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY. I'LL GIVE A LITTLE BIT INFORMATION ON THE HISTORY AND THE STATUS AND CONDITION OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE DONE USING FRANCHISE FEES. A LOT OF THIS WILL LOOK FAMILIAR TO WHAT WAS PRESENTED LAST JULY, BUT THERE'S SOME UPDATED INFORMATION AS WELL. FIRST OF ALL ARE THE GOAL THE FRANCHISE FEES. IT WAS ESTABLISHED BACK IN 2015 WITH THE GOAL TO COUNCIL IS TO SHOW COUNCIL'S COMMITMENT TO MAINTAINING A SUSTAINABLE AND CONSISTENT FUNDING SOURCE FOR A FEW DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF OUR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO FULLY FUND PAY, FULLY FUND PMP BUT WE HAVE A FEW DIFFERENT COMPONENTS THAT HAVE BEEN INCLUDED SINCE 2015. THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF OTHER CITIES WITHIN MINNESOTA THAT USE FRANCHISE FEES. WE HAVE THERE'S ABOUT 100 CITIES IN MINNESOTA THAT DO UTILIZE FRANCHISE FEES, 61 OF WHICH ARE IN THE SEVEN COUNTY METRO AND 24 CITIES IN HENNEPIN COUNTY THAT UTILIZE FRANCHISE FEES. THIS IS INFORMATION THAT WAS PULLED LATER IN 2025. A LITTLE BIT OF A HISTORY OF THE FRANCHISE FEES IN BLOOMINGTON. AS LORI MENTIONED BACK IN 2015 AND DECEMBER OF 2015 CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE IMPLEMENTATION OF FRANCHISE FEES WITH THE NEXT SCHEDULED INCREASE TO BE IN JANUARY OF 21 AND THEN EVERY OTHER YEAR AFTER THAT WE BEGAN COLLECTION OF FRANCHISE FEES IN APRIL OF 2016 AND INITIALLY FROM 2016 TILL NOW WE USED IT FOR OVERLAYS SEAL COATS, PARK TRAIL CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE AND RIGHT AWAY TRAIL CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE. THEN IN THE SUMMER OF 2021 WE INITIALLY INTENDED ON COMING BACK TO DO AN UPDATE FOR 2021. IT WAS DELAYED DUE TO MANAGEMENT DECIDED DUE TO COVID 19 TO DO A DELAY UNTIL 2022. SO WE CAME BACK IN JULY OF 21 COUNCIL IMPROVED THE FRANCHISE FEE FEE INCREASE FOR 2022 AND THEN WE ALSO INCLUDED A CAP MULTIMODAL PROJECTS AT THAT TIME TWO YEARS LATER WE CAME BACK IN MAY OF 23 WITH ANOTHER FRANCHISE FEE INCREASE AND AT THAT TIME WE ALSO INCLUDED SIDEWALKS AND ADA IMPROVEMENTS WITH THAT UPDATE AND THEN AS LORI MENTIONED BACK IN JULY THE DISCUSSION WAS POSTPONED UNTIL NOW. WE'RE HERE BACK TO TALKING WITH YOU FOLKS ABOUT IT WHAT THE CURRENT UTILIZATION OF FRANCHISE FEES THIS SHOWS ARE DIFFERENT PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AREAS AND WHAT UTILIZES FRANCHISE FEES AND WHAT DOES NOT. STREET RECONSTRUCTION IS THE ONLY ONE ON THIS LIST THAT DOES NOT UTILIZE FRANCHISE FEES. WE USE SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS AND THE PROPERTY TAX LEVY STREET MILL AND OVERLAY STREET SEAL CALLED TRAILS AND PARKS AND RIGHT AWAY CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE AND ALSO AS I MENTIONED SIDEWALKS WERE ADDED IN 2023 AS A UTILIZATION OF FRANCHISE FEES. COUPLE OF QUICK MAPS TO SHOW YOU SINCE 20 2016 WHEN THEY WERE IMPLEMENTED WE'VE SELECTED ABOUT 225 MILES OF STREETS. WE'RE USING THE FRANCHISE FEES . WE HAVE OVERLAID ABOUT 85 MILES OF STREETS WITHIN BLOOMINGTON. WE HAVE RECONSTRUCTED ABOUT NINE AND A HALF MILES OF RIGHT AWAY TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS AS I MENTIONED SIDEWALKS WERE JUST INTRODUCED A FEW YEARS AGO TO THE PROGRAM AND THREE MILES OF PARK TRAILS AND I'LL GET INTO SOME MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT WE HAVE UPCOMING HERE IN A MINUTE FOR OVERALL STATUS AND CONDITION FOR OUR STREETS WE HAVE JUST OVER 340 MILES OF STREETS. THESE FRANCHISE FEES HELPED WITH OUR AS I MENTIONED, OUR OVERLAY PROGRAM AND UTILIZING THE MAINTENANCE OF THESE STREETS WE'RE DOING WE'RE DOING WELL. SO THESE STREETS ARE OVERALL IN REALLY GOOD CONDITION AND WE WE TOOK A CLOSE LOOK AT THE PROGRAM BACK IN LATE 2024 INTO 2025 SPECIFICALLY AT THE OVERLAY SINCE WE WERE GOING TO BE REDUCING THE OVERLAY BY A MILE PER YEAR STARTING THIS YEAR AND ALSO JUST LOOKED AT THE OVERALL COSTS IN GENERAL AND WE WERE ABLE TO FREE UP 2 TO $300,000 PER YEAR WITHIN THE FRANCHISE FEES DOLLARS THAT WE HAD BEEN ALLOCATING AND WE'RE LOOKING TO TO INTRODUCE RETAINING WALLS IF POSSIBLE TO TO THE PROGRAM USING THAT DOLLARS THAT WE THAT WE FOUND THROUGH THE THROUGH THE OVERLAY THAT WE'RE NO LONGER NEEDED CONCRETE SIDEWALKS. WE HAVE JUST UNDER 250 MILES OF CONCRETE SIDEWALKS IN THE CITY GENERALLY IN GOOD SHAPE. WE HAVE ABOUT 75 MILES OF DEFICIENT WITH SIDEWALKS NOT NECESSARILY IN BAD CONDITION. THEY'RE JUST LESS THAN OUR STANDARD FIVE FOOT WIDTH. CURRENTLY WE REPLACE SECTIONS AS WE COME THROUGH WITH OUR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS AND THEN IN REGARDS TO TRAILS JUST UNDER 50 MILES OF ASPHALT TRAILS IN BLOOMINGTON, 32 MILES AND CITY RIGHT AWAY AND 15 MILES APART TRAILS SIMILAR TO STREETS WE HAVE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX VALUES FOR THOSE TRAILS. THE LOWER RANGE OF THE 0 TO 35 BEING THOSE THAT WOULD BE IN NEED OF A FULL RECONSTRUCTION AND THEN OTHER MAINTENANCE TECHNIQUES AS YOU GET FURTHER UP ON THE PCI SCALE. WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THE PROGRAM BACK IN 2015 WE HAD ABOUT TEN MILES OF TRAILS IN THE NEED FOR RECONSTRUCTION. WE HAD ABOUT FOUR AND A HALF NOW BUT THE MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE NORMANDALE BOULEVARD WHICH IS COMING UP THIS YEAR AND NEXT AND THEN ALSO A STRETCH OF OLD CHUCK B ROAD WHICH IS ON OUR LIST AS WELL. PMP LIFE CYCLE YOU'VE ALL SEEN THIS MANY TIMES BUT WE SHOW IT NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR STREET LIFE CYCLE THAT WE USE WITH IMPLEMENTING THE DIFFERENT TECHNIQUES TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THE PAVEMENT. WE ALSO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR WITH OUR TRAILS TYPICALLY EVERY 3 TO 5 YEARS WE FOG SEALER CRACK SEAL OUR TRAILS TO HELP TO REJUVENATE THE LIFE OF THAT PAVEMENT. HERE IS A MAP SHOWING AS I MENTIONED THE DEFICIENT WITH SIDEWALKS IN BLOOMINGTON ABOUT 75 MILES AND DEFICIENT WITH NOT NECESSARILY IN BAD CONDITION BUT JUST DEFICIENT AND WITH NOT UP TO OUR MINIMUM FIVE FOOT STANDARD AND WE REPLACE MILEAGE AS WE COME THROUGH IN FOOTAGE AS WE COME THROUGH WITH PMP PROJECTS FOR EXAMPLE IN 2025 WE REPLACED ABOUT 70 200FT OF SIDEWALK WITH OUR PMP AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. WE ADDED ABOUT 30 200FT OF NEW SIDEWALK FILLING SIDEWALK GAPS AND ADDING SIDEWALK IN DIFFERENT LOCATIONS FOR SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL ITEMS AS WELL AS OTHERS AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE OUR PEDESTRIAN RAMPS THAT ADA COMPONENT WAS ADDED TO THE FRANCHISE FEES A FEW YEARS AGO. WE HAVE JUST UNDER 5000 PEDESTRIAN RAMPS WITHIN BLOOMINGTON WHEN WE DID LAST FULL INVENTORY IN 2022 ABOUT HALF OF THOSE WERE IN COMPLIANCE. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE ON THE MAP WHERE WE'VE HAD PROJECTS COME THROUGH ALONG THE CORRIDORS TO REPLACE THOSE THOSE RAMPS. THE MAJORITY OF THOSE THAT ARE IN COMPLIANCE ARE JUST FOR MINOR DEFECTS AND WE REPLACE 150 TO 200 AND 50 TO 200 OF THEM A YEAR. TYPICALLY WITH OUR DIFFERENT PROJECTS AS WE COME THROUGH ALSO WE LOOK TO FILL SIDEWALK APPS AND FIX SAFETY HAZARDS IN REGARDS TO SIDEWALKS AND MULTIMODAL COMPONENTS. ONE EXAMPLE THAT WE HAVE COMING UP HERE IN 2026 IS ON 98TH STREET JUST WEST OF HERE BETWEEN XERXES AND UPTON. A LOT OF YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR THERE'S SIDEWALKS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE ROAD, ONE THAT'S VERY NARROW AND ANOTHER ONE THAT'S CURB BLOCK A FEW YEARS AGO WE REPLACED SOME A PORTION OF THAT WITH A PED ACCESSIBILITY PROJECT SO THE MAP ISN'T EXACTLY SHOWING HOW IT LOOKS OUT THERE NOW BUT WE'RE LOOKING TO WITH OUR OVERLAY PROJECT THIS YEAR TO MAKE ADDITIONAL CORRECTIONS AND BRING IT TO ONE STANDARD WITH WALK VERSUS THE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT NON-COMPLIANT WALKS THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE CURRENTLY AND WE'D BE USING THESE FRANCHISE FEE DOLLARS TO DO THAT. THIS SHOWS YOU OUR FUTURE TRAIL AND SIDEWALK MAP. THIS SHOWS PMP PROJECTS CAP MULTIAGENCY PROJECTS, PARK MASTER PLAN PROJECTS SO THOSE THAT ARE COMING UP IN THE NEAR TERM ARE THE ONES CIRCLED IN BLUE. SO WE HAVE NORMANDY BOULEVARD FROM 94TH TO OLD CHALK IS A BIG ONE AND I SHOULD HIGHLIGHT WITH THESE TRAIL PROJECTS WHEN WE BRING THEM UP TO STANDARDS IT DOES TAKE SOME TIME WHICH IS WHY NORMAN DOE BOULEVARD HAS BEEN ON THE LIST FOR A WHILE TAKES SOME TIME TO ACQUIRE EASEMENTS TYPICALLY IT'S A 9 TO 12 MONTH PROCESS AND THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME DOLLARS INVOLVED WITH WITH ACQUIRING THOSE EASEMENTS AND THEN JUST THE DOLLARS IN GENERAL TO BRING IT UP TO THE CURRENT STANDARDS. SO WE HAVE NORMANDY BOULEVARD NICOLLET AVENUE IN WHICH THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY RECONSTRUCT PROJECT THAT WILL BE COMING FORWARD IN 27 AND 28 REDOING SIDEWALKS AND TRAILS ON THAT SEGMENT AND THEN ALSO MOYER CENTRAL AND HARRISON PARK AS PART OF THE NINE MILE CREEK PROJECT ARE THE NEAR TERM PROJECTS AND JUST ONE MORE POINT I'M AS WHAT BOB HAD POINTED OUT, IT TAKES SEVERAL YEARS OF ACCUMULATION OF FINANCIAL FRANCHISE FEES TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT TRAIL. WE CAN'T DO IT ALL IN ONE YEAR SO THERE'S SEVERAL YEARS OF ACCUMULATION OF DOLLARS TO BE ABLE TO DO THESE. YES, THANK YOU. AND THEN ALSO WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OTHER TECHNIQUE ALTERNATIVES. WE'VE BEEN USING THE SIMILAR TECHNIQUES FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME OTHER SUSTAINABLE ENVIRONMENTAL ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY FRIENDLY OPTIONS THAT WE CAN DO FOR OUR PMP. ONE THING THAT WE STARTED LAST YEAR WAS MAINTENANCE DID RECLAMATION OF AN AREA WHICH IS SIMILAR IN MAINTENANCE TECHNIQUE TO A SEAL COAT BUT IT'S MORE OF LIKE AN ASPHALT REJUVENATE OR THAT GETS PUT ON THE PAVEMENT AND IT HELPS TO HOLD IN ALL THOSE CHEMICAL PROPERTIES OF THE PAVEMENT. WE DID IT ON AN AREA THAT WE HAD RECONSTRUCTED BACK IN 2020 WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE AREA SHOWN UP HERE ON THE MAP AND WE'RE GOING TO BE MONITORING THAT MOVING FORWARD. ACCLIMATE SIMILAR IN CASTER COCKROACH SLIGHTLY SLIGHTLY REDUCE COST BUT YOU DO HAVE TO APPLY RECLAMATION MORE OFTEN THAN YOU WOULD SEE. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT COMPARISONS, LOOKING AT ALTERNATIVES AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OTHER CITIES AS WELL THAT HAVE BEEN USING RECLAMATION AS AN OPTION. IT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME CHIP SEAL AS THE SEAL CODE DOES BUT IT'S AN OPTION THAT WE CAN THAT WE CAN LOOK TO USE AS WELL. OTHER CITIES IN THE METRO HAVE HAD SUCCESS AND THEN ALSO A WARM MIX ASPHALT WE INTRODUCED THIS TO AN AREA LAST YEAR AS PART OF OUR PMP ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF TOWN SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF CONTRACTORS THAT ARE GOING TOWARDS ITS LOWER MIXTURE TEMPERATURES RATHER THAN A HOT MIX IT'S A WARM MIX LOWER MIXTURE TEMPERATURES IN TURN SAVING FUEL. AND THE ONE AREA THAT WE DID WHICH I THINK WAS A COUPLE OF THOUSAND TONS OF MIXTURE ASPHALT MIXTURE AND 2025 WE REDUCED BY ABOUT 5000KG OR WHICH IS BASICALLY ONE PASSENGER CAR EQUIVALENT TO SO WE'RE LOOKING AT INCORPORATING LARGER AMOUNTS OF THAT MIX TO HELP US GET REDUCED COSTS FOR THOSE FOR THAT WORK. BUT WE'RE JUST STARTING TO TEST THAT AS WELL NOW RETAINING WALLS WE HAVE ABOUT WE HAVE OVER 500 RETAINING WALLS WITHIN OUR WITHIN OUR EXISTING RIGHT AWAY ACTUALLY IT'S LIKE JUST AROUND 530 VARYING SIZES LARGE WALLS SOME ONLY A FOOT TALL, A FEW FEET LONG BUT MULTIPLE WALLS A FEW OF THEM THAT ARE COMING UP IN THE NEAR TERM ON 90TH STREET WE REPLACED ONE TWO YEARS AGO AND ANOTHER ONE LAST YEAR AND WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE COMING UP THIS YEAR FOR REPLACEMENT ALSO ON NORMANDY BOULEVARD THERE'S A NUMBER OF RETAINING WALLS THAT ARE GOING TO BE REPLACED WITH THAT TRAIL PROJECT. AND THEN ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF TOWN, WEST BUSH LAKE ROAD HAS SOME WALLS THAT WE'RE BEING LOOK AT ARE BEING LOOKED AT TO BE REPLACED WITH OUR PMP. BUT THOSE ARE THE NEAR TERM WALLS. BUT THERE ARE MANY OTHER WALLS THAT WILL BE COMING UP FOR REPLACEMENT IN THE PAST WHEN IT COMES TO THESE RETAINING WALLS, THERE'S BEEN A SMALL DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT'S THAT'S FOR MAINTENANCE WORK THAT'S BEEN ACQUIRED THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND THAT WE USE FOR SMALLER WALL REPAIRS. WE USUALLY HAVE TO CARRY OVER A FAIR AMOUNT OF DOLLARS FROM YEAR TO YEAR TO GET TO THESE LARGER WALLS. SOME OF THESE WALLS FOR EXAMPLE LIKE THE ONES ON 90TH STREET SOME OF THEM ARE 750,000 TO $1 MILLION TO REPLACE SO THEY CAN GET RATHER EXPENSIVE SO WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE TO HELP TO SUPPLEMENT THAT EXISTING DOLLARS. THOSE ADDITIONAL DOLLARS THAT WE'RE RECEIVING AND THIS JUST SHOWS YOU AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE WALLS. I MEAN SEEING THEM FROM THE FACE OF THE WALL YOU CAN SEE THE DETERIORATION. IT'S NOT THE AGE OF THE WALLS NOT ALWAYS SEEN THROUGH THE FACE OF THE WALL. SOMETIMES THERE'S SOME DRAINAGE ISSUES AND OTHER ISSUES ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE WALL AS WELL. BUT WE HAVE A FEW OF THEM AS I MENTIONED COMING UP FOR REPLACEMENT IN THE NEAR TERM AND THEN I'LL GIVE IT BACK TO LAURIE. SO BACK TO THE FINANCIAL CONSIDERATIONS DURING THE LAST I'LL CALL IT FOUR MONTHS WE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH BOTH XCEL AND CENTERPOINT TO MODEL A FLAT RATE STRUCTURE OR A POTENTIAL PERCENTAGE RATE PIECE AND THEN IN NORMAL AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH NORMAL FINANCIAL MEETINGS WITH COUNCIL AND BUDGETS, WE ARE ROUTINELY ASKED TO DIVERSIFY OUR REVENUES AND LOOK AT DIFFERENT SOURCES. FRANCHISE FEES FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE LOWEST EVER FOR FIVE REVENUE SOURCES. IT'S NOT MUTUALLY FAVORABLY LOOKED AT BUT WE HAVE HAD IT FOR TEN YEARS. IF WE WERE TO REPLACE THE FRANCHISE FEES THAT ARE CURRENTLY COMING IN IN 2026 WE WOULD NEED A 9% TAX LEVY TO REPLACE THESE REVENUES TO DO THIS WORK. SO IN LOOKING AT THE FLAT RATES SOME OF THE ADVANTAGES OF THAT IT PROVIDES REALLY A STABLE AND CONSISTENT REVENUE SOURCE SO THAT WE CAN COUNT ON IT COMING IN EACH YEAR IT'S MINIMUM STAFF TIME TO WATCH THE INFORMATION COME THROUGH AND IT'S EASIER FOR CUSTOMER CALLS A CUSTOMER WILL KNOW WHAT'S COMING ON THEIR THEIR THEIR BILL EACH MONTH AND IT'S VERY EASY TO EXPLAIN TRADE OFFS YOU KNOW, IF OUR POPULATION REMAINS FLAT YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT GROWING TOO MUCH OUR REVENUES REALLY DON'T GO TO CHANGE MUCH. YOU KNOW THERE IS AN EQUITY CONCERN AND YOU KNOW WE MIGHT HAVE RESIDENTIAL ONE THAT DOESN'T USE A WHOLE LOT AND WE MIGHT HAVE A RESIDENTIAL LOCATION THAT DOES USE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO PAY THE SAME RATE, THE SAME WITH SOME OF THE COMMERCIALS WE HAVE SOME COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES THAT USE A LOT OF THERMS, A LOT OF ENERGY AND OTHERS THAT DON'T. WELL, WE HAVE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF SOURCES SO THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MATCH THE AMOUNT OF USAGE IN THAT TO I'LL CALL IT A NORMALIZATION OF REVENUES FOR EACH ONE ON THE PERCENTAGE. YOU KNOW, IF THE IF THE RATES INCREASE FROM EXCEL IN CENTER POINT WE COULD SEE AN INCREASE IN RATES COMING IN EACH MONTH WITHOUT COMING BACK TO COUNCIL ANNUALLY OR EVERY OTHER YEAR AND THEN IT WOULD BE REALLY PROPORTIONATE TO THE UTILITY CONSUMPTION AND IT WOULD JUST ADJUST AND THEN IT WOULD IT WOULD ON A POLICY CONSISTENTLY BE APPLIED FOR CONSERVATISM EFFICIENCY AND PAY AS YOU GO THE REVENUE VARIABILITY. THAT WAS ONE OF THE PIECES THAT WHEN WE REALLY LOOKED YOU KNOW I'LL PICK ON CAT IT CENTER POINT IS IS THAT WE LOOKED AT ALL THE PIECES AND WE BROKE DOWN YOU KNOW THE TOTAL REVENUE WE REMOVED TAXES COMING IN AND THEN WE TRIED PLAYING WITH DIFFERENT WEATHER SCENARIOS AND THEY WERE ABLE TO GIVE US SOME DATA ABOUT HOW SOME OF THAT FLUCTUATES. WEATHER PLAYS A BIG PART CALLED WINNERS COLD SUMMERS YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REVENUE IS SO WE WANT TO HAVE A CONSISTENT REVENUE SOURCE. IT WOULD BE IN A RANGE BUT IT WOULDN'T BE CONSISTENT. THERE'S A LOT MORE COMPLEXITY IN ADMINISTRATING OF IT AND THEN CUSTOMERS WOULD SEE A VARIABILITY IN THEIR BILL EVERY MONTH DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY'RE USING AND SO IT MAY DISPROPORTIONATELY YOU KNOW, AGAIN BACK TO A HOUSEHOLD IF THERE'S ONE PERSON IN THE HOUSEHOLD OR TEN PEOPLE IN THE HOUSEHOLD RIGHT NOW THAT'S BEING BILLED THE SAME AT A FLAT RATE ON A PERCENTAGE BASIS THAT UTILIZATION WOULD INCREASE AND SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THAT INCREASED RATE. SO SOME OF THE COMPARISONS WE LOOKED AT LOOKED AT CITIES WITH DIFFERENT PERCENTAGE RATES FOR BOTH XCEL AND CENTER POINT. WE LOOKED AT FLAT RATES RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL. WE LOOKED AT OTHER COMMUNITIES AROUND US AND WHAT THEY'RE ALL CHARGING AND AGAIN CENTERPOINT AND XCEL WERE VERY GENEROUS WITH YOUR TIME. THEY PROVIDED US DETAILS ON THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES THEY HELPED US MODEL. WE LOOKED AT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PERCENTAGE RATES IN ONE PARTICULAR PIECE WITH XCEL PERCENTAGE RATES AT THE 4.75 IS WHAT WE WERE MODELING . I WOULD SAY SOME OF THE WORDS WERE DRASTIC VARIABILITY. SOME OF THEIR CUSTOMERS THAT USE A LOT OF ENERGY IT COULD GO ANYWHERE BETWEEN WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY CHARGING TO WELL OVER $600,000 IN ONE YEAR. SO WE PULLED BACK FROM A PERCENTAGE RATE BECAUSE OF JUST THE DRASTIC IMPACT. SO WITH THAT WHEN YOU'RE PROPOSING A FLAT RATE AND RESIDENT CHILL WOULD STAY CONSISTENT WITH WHERE IT'S AT NOW AND WHERE IT'S BEEN SINCE 2023 AND THEN WE HAVE SLIGHT INCREASES WITH COMMERCIAL AND THEN THE LARGER COMMERCIAL HAD A LITTLE BIT HIGHER AT $18 PER MONTH AND THEN THE CATEGORIES THE NAMES BETWEEN EXCEL AND CENTER POINT YOU KNOW THEY HAVE SPECIFIC NAMES BUT THE CATEGORIES GENERALLY ARE ABOUT THE SAME AND WITH THAT FLAT RATE RETAINING WALLS AND THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE AT 8.8 MILLION COMING IN LESS THAN 2.5% OF THAT WOULD BE FOR RETAINING WALLS. THE 200,000 WITH THAT LIKE COUNCIL DIRECTION GOING WITH THE FLAT RATE WITH WHAT WAS SHOWN ON THE SCREEN AND ALSO INCLUDING RETAINING WALLS. >> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT AND APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION COUNCIL HELP ME REMEMBER REMIND ME IF YOU COULD AS WE TALKED ABOUT THIS PREVIOUSLY, THE ARGUMENTS TOWARD A PERCENTAGE RATE I MEAN WHO WHO'S ADVOCATING AND WHAT WERE THE ARGUMENTS IN FAVOR OF PERCENTAGE RATE AND I HONESTLY I SIMPLY DON'T REMEMBER ANYBODY KNOW COUNCILMEMBER NELSON YEAH I THINK THE ARGUMENT IS IN FAVOR OF SIMILAR TO OUR WATER RATES THAT IT INCREASES THE INCENTIVE TO BE MORE EFFICIENT AND I THINK THAT'S THE BIGGEST ARGUMENT FOR IT IF YOU IF YOU HAVE TO SPEND THAT MUCH MONEY THEN IT GIVES YOU A REASON TO USE LESS TO IMPROVE YOUR OPERATIONS AND I THINK THAT THAT IS WHERE THAT THAT SIDE OF THE PERCENTAGE RATE CAME FROM. I'M SORRY BUT DALLESSANDRO I THINK YOU SAW I PERSONALLY DON'T RECALL A CONVERSATION ABOUT FLAT VERSUS PERCENTAGE MY UNDERSTANDING OF FRANCHISE FEES AS A FLAT RATE WAS ALWAYS A FUNCTION OF PER HOUSEHOLD. IT COST A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY BECAUSE WE ARE CHARGING THE UTILITIES FOR THEIR USE OF OUR ROADS TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. THAT WAS WHAT I UNDERSTOOD IT TO BE AND SO I NEVER THOUGHT OF IT AS A CONSUMPTION ORIENTED RATE. THE ONLY REASON WHY WE PAY IT AT ALL AND I WILL SAY THIS APOLOGIES IS I'VE SAID THIS IN EVERY COUNCIL MEETING WE TALK ABOUT THIS I WILL SAY THIS THE ONLYEASON WHY WE AS PEOPLE ARE PAYING FOR IT IS BECAUSE THE UTILITIES ARE ALLOWED TO PUSH IT ON US. BUT THE OUR CHARGING OF THEM FOR THIS RATE IS A FUNCTION OF THEM USING OUR ROADS AND US ASKING THEM TO HELP PAY A PORTION OF THAT IN FEES THEY DON'T HAVE TO PASS IT ALONG. THEY CHOOSE TO PASS IT ALONG AND THE STATE HAS GIVEN THEM THE ABILITY TO DO THAT BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. SO IT COMES BACK TO THE AS IT COMES BACK TO THE CONSUMER, IT'S NOT REALLY ABOUT HOW MUCH THEY'RE USING AT ALL. SO I WOULD BE SURPRISED IF I EVER WAS GOING I WAS NEVER I GUESS I'D SAY ANOTHER WAY I NEVER THOUGHT THAT PERCENTAGE WAS AN OPTION LET ALONE I WOULD SUPPORT IT AT THIS POINT. >> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I COULDN'T RECALL US TALKING ABOUT THIS SO I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT NO, WE DON'T RECALL THAT WE DID. BUT I AND I AGREE COUNCILMEMBER NELSON THAT WOULD BE THE RATIONALE. I GET THAT. BUT I DON'T THINK WE EVER HAD THAT CONVERSATION SO I DON'T THINK IT WAS VOTED DOWN AND THE OTHER THOUGHTS QUESTIONS COUNCIL IF I MAY MISTER COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE ASKING US TO TO AMEND THE FRANCHISE FEES AT A FLAT RATE AND WHAT IS THE THANK YOU OKAY THAT THOSE ARE THE CHARGE INCREASES BUT YOU'RE ASKING US TO THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO PUT THE RETAINING WALLS IN A SEPARATE CATEGORY. SO WOULD THAT BE A SPECIAL IS THAT THE INTENT TO BE A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT ON ON FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF THE RETAINING WALLS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT HOW WE WE RECOUP THOSE COSTS? MAYOR COUNCIL THE FRANCHISE FEE AT THESE RATES INCLUDES THE $200,000 TO ADD THAT CATEGORY I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND NOW THANK YOU. GOT YOU. AND THAT WOULD BE EVERY YEAR THERE WOULD BE AN EXPENDITURE OF $0,000 TOWARDS RETAINING WALL WORK. OKAY MAYOR AND COUNCIL, JUST TO REMIND YOU THAT WE LEVY FOR RETAINING WALLS IN THE PUBLIC WORKS BUDGET ROUTINELY WE CARRY OVER DOLLARS FOR RETAINING WALLS AND THAT GOES INTO THE BACK TO THE BUDGET. AND THEN WE WOULD LIKE TO ADD THIS TO BECAUSE RETAINING WALLS ARE JUST WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF DETERIORATION IN THEM AND THEY'RE EXPENSIVE. COUNCILMEMBER CARTER THANK YOU MAYOR. SO AS IT RELATES TO THE RETAINING WALL PIECE I'M SUPPORTIVE OF INCLUDING THEM. AND I WOULD JUST ADD I THINK I SAID THIS IN OUR LAST CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS BUT WHERE THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT TYPES OF STRUCTURES OR REMOVING THE STRUCTURE COMPLETELY AND JUST LETTING IT BE THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL, RIGHT TO SAVE MONEY NOW AND IN THE LONG RUN I KNOW WE HAVE SOME MASSIVE RETAINING WALLS IN BLOOMINGTON. I LIVE CLOSE TO NINETIETHS. I'VE SEEN THE THE PROJECT THERE MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY SO I CAN IMAGINE THE COSTLY NESS OF THOSE PRODUCTS, THOSE PROJECTS BUT FOR THE SMALLER ONES OR ONES THAT LIKE YOU KNOW WHERE IT REALLY WOULDN'T MATTER IF A RETAINING WALL IS THERE OR NOT I WOULD JUST I'M ASSUMING THAT STAFF IS LOOKING AT IT LIKE THAT BUT THAT'S THE ONLY COMMENT I HAVE. BUT OTHERWISE MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE'VE BEEN IN A FLAT RATE STRUCTURE RIGHT HISTORICALLY FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS AND SO WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'D BE APPROVING IS JUST THE INCREASES FOR COMMERCIAL NON DEMAND IN DEMAND IN THE LARGER RIGHT? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I MEAN OTHERWISE I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS AND I IF I IF I IF I MAY IF I COULD MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER CARTER IN REGARDS TO THE RETAINING WALLS YEAH, WE DEFINITELY LOOK AT IF WE HAVE ANY OPPORTUNITY TO REMOVE A WALL AND JUST GRADE IT BACK WE DO SO JUST SO WE DON'T HAVE FUTURE MAINTENANCE OF THAT WALL. SO THAT'S THAT'S A GREAT POINT. YOU KNOW COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN ,THANK YOU. JUST A QUICK QUESTION AND THEN A QUICK COMMENT IF THE THESE CATEGORIES THAT ARE PUT TOGETHER THESE ARE PUT TOGETHER BY THE STATE, RIGHT. IN TERMS OF WHERE THESE CATEGORIES FALL OR BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT NONPROFIT IS LIKE THE OR THAT KIND OF THING WOULD FALL IN THAT COMMERCIAL AREA MAYOR AND COUNCIL I WOULD INVITE A CAT FOR THE HOT SEAT TO THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME COUNCIL THANK YOU SO MUCH. CAN YOU SEND FOR CENTERPOINT ENERGY? YES AND I WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION AND THEN DEFER TO SCOTT WHO I CAN CAN CORRECT ME. I BELIEVE THE CATEGORIES ARE SET BY THE PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION BUT YES, WE CENTERPOINT ENERGY AND XCEL WE DON'T SET THE CATEGORIES AND YOU ARE RIGHT IN THE CASE OF GAS FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S BASED ON USAGE AND WE LOOK AT IT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS IN THE LATE SUMMER AND WE WILL HELP MOVE PEOPLE UP CATEGORY OR DOWN A CATEGORY DEPENDING ON THEIR USAGE IN THE PAST YEAR. SO IF AN ORGANIZATION HAS USED LESS ENERGY THAN THEY WOULD BE MOVED TO DOWN TO A LOWER A LOWER KIND OF THRESHOLD AT ALL. SO IS THERE YOU KNOW AND I'M JUST GOING TO ASK YOU CRAZY QUESTION BECAUSE THIS IS NOT MY MY LEVEL OF EXPERTISE AT ALL. I'M NOT GOING EVEN PRETEND. IS THERE ANY WAY TO ADVOCATE FOR ANOTHER CATEGORY FOR THE NONPROFITS, THAT KIND OF THING TO LIMIT THIS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THIS BODY WOULD WOULD NEED TO DO OR WOULD WE NEED TO TALK TO YOU? IS THERE ANY OR IS THAT JUST SOMETHING THAT IS JUST SO WAY OUT OF THE EXTREME THAT BECAUSE THAT'S THE THING I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WITH THIS. YES, MAYOR COUNCIL THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW. I THINK WE DON'T NEED TO ANSWER THAT TODAY THEN THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU. LEAVE IT LEAVE IT AS IT IS BECAUSE THAT'S A QUESTION I WOULD HAVE MAYOR AND CITY MANAGER IS IF THERE'S A WAY FOR US TO TO TO ADVOCATE THAT AND I'LL JUST KIND OF MOVE RIGHT INTO MY COMMENTS THEN SO WE CAN MOVE THIS ALONG PRETTY QUICKLY. IF I COULD ASK A QUESTION FIRST I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION AND GET YOU MIGHT BE THE ONE TO ANSWER THIS AS I LOOK AT THIS AS I LOOK AT THIS SLIDE, AS I LOOK AT THE EXCEL CATEGORIES IN THE CENTER POINT CATEGORIES, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THEM TO ME A LITTLE BIT WHAT WHAT IS SMALL OR WHAT IS COMMERCIAL AND B, WHAT DOES THAT ALL ENTAIL AND WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCES AND COULD YOU GIVE ME A BLOOMINGTON EXAMPLE OF THOSE? >> YES. HOW MANY WOULD A GOOD QUESTION AND THIS IS MAKING ME REALIZE THAT I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT ALONG WE HAVE A SAMPLE CATEGORY SHEET THAT BREAKS DOWN WHAT A WOULD BE SO I WILL MAKE SURE THAT I SEND THE NEW VERSION OVER BECAUSE WE'VE WE TOOK A LOOK AT IT SO FOR EXAMPLE A RESIDENCE RULE IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD OFTEN COMMERCIAL A FOR GAS USES THE SAME OR LESS THAN A RESIDENTIAL HOME. SO I OFTEN THINK OF IT AS SOMEONE IN A STRIP MALL OR I'M AN INSURANCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND B IS A LITTLE BIT MORE SEE IS WHEN YOU START TO GET UP TO A MAYBE A LARGER RESTAURANT FROM A GAS USAGE AND THEN THE DUAL FUEL THOSE CATEGORIES HAVE THE OPTION TO WHEN WE HAVE A COLD SNAP AS WE DID IN JANUARY AS WE ALL REMEMBER THEY PAY A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT RATE SO THAT THEY CAN GO A DIFFERENT CHARGE SO THAT THEY CAN SWITCH TO A BACKUP FUEL SO THAT WHEN GAS SUPPLY FOR EXAMPLE MAY BE A LITTLE CONSTRAINED BECAUSE WE NEED TO SUPPLY A LOT OF IT SOME OF THOSE HAVE HAVE RAISED THEIR HANDS AND SAY IN EXCHANGE FOR PAYING A LOWER CHARGE WE WILL GO AHEAD AND FLIP TO FUEL OIL OR PROPANE DURING THOSE TIMES AND OF COURSE I SHOULD POINT OUT THAT THE COST OF GAS ITSELF IS A PASS THROUGH. CENTERPOINT ENERGY MAKES NO MONEY ON THAT. WE MAKE MONEY ON THE DELIVERY CHARGE AND THE BASIC CHARGE. SO ABOUT 40 TO 50% OF THE BILL IS THAT SO? BUT I'LL SEND OVER NEW A NEW CATEGORY SHEET SO YOU CAN HAVE IT AND I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ELECTRICITY. I'M GOING TO DEFER TO THE EXPERT. THANK YOU. THAT'S HELPFUL. THANK YOU. GREENWALD SCOTT JOHNSON, XCEL ENERGY. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'M FILLING IN FOR MICHEL SWANSON. SO YOUR BUSINESSES I PROBABLY COULDN'T TELL YOU RESIDENTIAL IS THE SAME. THAT'S PRETTY STANDARD COMMERCIAL NON DEMAND. SO YOU HAVE A DEMAND METER ANONYMOUS DEPENDS ON USAGE AND THE RATES BASED ON THAT. SO I WOULD SAY SOMETHING LIKE A SMALL GROCERY STORE THAT DON'T USE A LOT OF POWER WOULD BE YOUR COMMERCIAL NON DEMAND AND THEN YOUR COMMERCIAL LARGE DEMAND WOULD BE A BIGGER USAGE GROCERY STORE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND THEN YOU GET YOUR LARGE C AND YOUR YOUR BIGGER BUSINESSES STUFF LIKE THAT WHICH YOU DON'T HAVE. WE COULDN'T GIVE YOU DATA BECAUSE THERE WAS LESS THAN 15 LARGE CNI CUSTOMERS. THAT'S WHY YOU SEEN YOUR YOUR BIG SHIFT IF YOU WENT FROM A FLAT RATE TO A PERCENTAGE RATE THAT'S THAT'S WHY WE COULDN'T GIVE YOU THOSE DETAILS BECAUSE THE DATA PRIVACY ACT IS WHAT I WAS TOLD. SO OKAY. AND I THINK IF WE PUT OUR HEADS TOGETHER WE COULD PROBABLY COME UP WITH YOU EXACTLY. WE KNOW FOR EXAMPLE PRETTY EASILY AND BUT AS A MONTHLY RATE SO AN $18 INCREASE AS A MONTHLY RATE TO SOME OF THOSE LARGER COMPANIES. I MEAN IT LOOKS LARGE AS A 10% AND EVEN THE COMMERCIAL THE DEMAND IT'S A $17 RATE PER MONTH BUT ONLY ON DEMAND ON THE HIGH DEMAND TIME, RIGHT? CORRECT. RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT'S HELPFUL. THANK YOU. SO THEN MAYOR, WHAT I WOULD SAY ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE GET IN THE COMMENTS? LET'S ASK IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, IS THERE ANOTHER QUESTION? YEAH. THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO I APPRECIATE COUNCILMEMBER DELA SANDERS POINT THAT THE FIXED RATE AND EVERYONE GETS THE DISTRICT DISTRIBUTION OF THE ENERGY BUT DO THOSE HIGHER USERS AS ESSENTIALLY COST MORE IN TERMS OF THE CITY IN TERMS OF PROVIDING PLACES FOR ENERGY GENERATION, IN TERMS OF ENERGY DISTRIBUTION? YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE HAVE PLACES PARTICULARLY WITH THE ELECTRICAL WERE YOU KNOW WE HAVE SUBSTATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHERE WE REBUILD RETAINING WALLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND I HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE THOSE BECAUSE OF DEMAND. AND SO IS THERE A HIGHER COST BASE ON THAT USAGE THAT, YOU KNOW, BLUNTLY ISN'T BEING COVERED BY $200 AND AND YOU KNOW, SO I'M NOT I MEAN HAVE WE LOOKED AT HOW WE CAN ACTUALLY FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT DEMAND IS DRIVING IN TERMS OF COST BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ONE WHERE WE GOT A FLAT FEE, ONE WHERE WE HAVE A PERCENTAGE BUT I DON'T SEE ANYTHING WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO ACTUALLY FIGURE OUT WHAT THE COST IS BASED ON WHAT THEIR DEMAND IS AND HOW WOULD WE POSSIBLY FIGURE THAT OUT. I MEAN IT'S A TOUGH QUESTION BUT THAT'S NOT THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT SEEING HERE. MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBER NELSON OR THE UTILITIES AREN'T ABLE TO GIVE US SPECIFICS ON ANY I MEAN WE CAN THEY CAN SAY GENERAL A GROCERY STORE OR GENERAL STRIP MALL STUFF. WE DON'T HAVE THE LEVEL OF DETAIL TO LOOK AT HOW THEY HOW IT'S ALL TRULY UTILIZED IT FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE. WE DON'T GET THAT KIND OF DATA AND I'M NOT YEAH I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY. AGAIN SCOTT JOHNSON XCEL ENERGY I DON'T KNOW IF I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO SPECIFICALLY TELL YOU YOU KNOW THOSE TYPE OF THOSE TYPE OF THINGS WHAT THEY HAVE WE COULD TELL WHAT KIND OF USAGE THEY HAVE WITH YOUR FLAT RATE. WE COULD TELL YOU WHAT THEY'D BE PAYING FRANCHISE FEES FOR CUSTOMERS. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO PUT ON A BILL BUT THE OUR TAXPAYERS ARE YOUR CITIZENS AND THIS IS A PASS THROUGH FOR US. SO IF YOU PUT IT ON XCEL ENERGY CUSTOMERS WE JUST PASS THAT ON TO YOUR CITIZENS AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITY. SO I DON'T KNOW. SO IT'S JUST LIKE WE SAY IT'S ANOTHER TAX WHEN SHE SAID IT INCREASE YOUR LEVY IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE A FRANCHISE THAT'S THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO COVER UP THAT THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT THROUGH FRANCHISE FEES INSTEAD OF TAXES PER SE BECAUSE I HAVE CITIES THAT DON'T CHARGE FRANCHISE FEES AND I HAVE SOME THAT CHARGE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT YOU HAVE AS WELL TO COVER MAINTENANCE OF THE ROADS . SO ALL RIGHT. OH, ONE MORE COMMENT. APPARENTLY I'M JUST HAVING FUN COMING UP HERE AND MAYOR COUNCILMEMBER, ONE THING I SHOULD ALSO POINT OUT IS THAT CENTERPOINT CHARGES THE FEE PER METER SO FOR EXAMPLE FOR A LARGE CUSTOMER LIKE AS A RESIDENTIAL PERSON I HAVE ONE METER IN MY HOUSE A LARGE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL CUSTOMER IS LIKELY TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE METER. SO YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE LOOKING AT JUST SAY A $200 CHARGE FOR A LARGE A LARGE BUSINESS A LARGE OFTEN IN THE LARGE CATEGORY YOU KNOW IT'S A HOSPITAL IT'S IT'S THAT KIND OF THING. SO SO YES THE CUSTOMERS MAY BE PAYING MORE DEPENDING ON HOW MANY METERS THEY HAVE. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMEMBER LONG, YOU'RE ON LET ME MAKE MY COMMENTS OUT OF THE WAY HERE. WHO I'LL I'LL START WITH THAT LAST PIECE THERE. YOU KNOW COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, I THINK THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THAT THAT THE PERCENTAGE PIECE THAT IS INTRIGUING FROM A SUSTAINABILITY STANDPOINT AND IF I PUTHAT ADD ON YOU KNOW I KIND OF LIKE THAT IDEA . HOWEVER, THE REASON WHY I AT THIS TIME DON'T WANT TO KIND OF GO DOWN THAT ROAD. I DO THINK WE SHOULD FOR FROM A FUTURE STANDPOINT MAYBE HAVE A LOOK AT THAT IS THAT I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE SOME PUBLIC BENEFITS THAT PRIVATE SOURCES PROVIDE AND I WANT TO YOU KNOW YOU MENTIONED THE HOSPITALS AND THAT TYPE OF THING AND IN OTHER NONPROFITS I WANT TO JUST BE REAL CAREFUL ABOUT THE THE THE THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THATAY ARISE FROM FROM DOING SOME THINGS WITHOUT HAVING ALL THE DETAIL. BUT GENERALLY I'M KIND OF WITH YOU ON THAT THAT PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT DOES MAKE SOME SENSE. YOU KNOW I I LOOK AT THIS MAYOR I DON'T LOVE THE IDEA OF THESE FRANCHISE FEES AND THEIR CONTINUED EXPANSION AND IT JUST YOU KNOW, THE 9% YOU KNOW FOR SOME FOLKS I MEAN THAT'S HIGHER THAN THAN THE LEVY FOR SOME OF OUR OUR FOLKS THAT ARE OUT THERE. AND SO THAT THAT GIVES ME A LITTLE BIT OF PAUSE WHEN I WHEN I THINK ABOUT THAT THAT THAT INCREASE FOR THOSE THOSE FOLKS ESPECIALLY THOSE FOLKS THINK ABOUT VEEP AND THEY WERE JUST HERE, YOU KNOW, LAST LAST WEEK AND WHAT THAT MIGHT MEAN TO THOSE FOLKS THAT WE SERVICE. SO TO JUST WRAP IT UP, YOU KNOW YOU KNOW CERTAINLY THE RETAINING WALLS MAKE A WHOLE LOT OF SENSE. THAT'S A LITTLE TIGHTER IN THERE. BUT I JUST I THINK THIS IS WHEN IT'S MORE THAN THAN WHAT OUR LEVY IS FOR SOME OF THOSE THAT ARE PAYING IT THAT BOTHERS ME. AND COUNCILMEMBER THAT'S MEMBER DALLESSANDRO THANKS, MR. MAYOR. YEAH. I MEAN I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR INCREASING THESE. LIKE I SAID, I, I JUST DIDN'T THERE'S A THERE'S A PART OF ME THAT UNDERSTANDS THEIR UTILIZATION USING A FRANCHISE FEE VERSUS A TAX MEAN. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON HAS SAID MULTIPLE TIMES THAT THIS IS A SENSIBLE SENSIBLY ATTACKS RIGHT WE'RE TAXING BASED ON NUMBER OF METERS TO THE POINT BUT WE'RE STILL TAXING FOLKS AND AND AGAIN THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE IT'S CHOSEN TO BE PASSED THROUGH BY THE UTILITIES IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE JUST GOING TO KEEP SAYING THAT GOING TO THE PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION WITH THAT YOU KNOW AND TALKING TO A WALL BUT BUT I, I WOULD I WOULD HESITATE TO LIKE EVER WANT TO THINK ABOUT THIS AS A CONSUMPTION BASED TAX BECAUSE IT ISN'T IT'S THAT'S NOT HIS INTENTION IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, WE SHOULD DO THAT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. IN MY OPINION WE SHOULD NOT USE THE WORD THAT THE CONCEPT OF FRANCHISE FEES BECAUSE OF WHAT IT'S INTENDED TO BE. THE REASON WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO FRANCHISE FEES IS BECAUSE WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE CHARGING THE UTILITY COMPANY FOR UTILIZING OUR ROADS TO PROVIDE A SERVICE. THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR. IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT ANYMORE, WE'RE ACTUALLY JUST GOING TO CHARGE CONSUMERS FOR A PORTION OF THEIR BILL BECAUSE THEY'RE USING TOO MUCH ENERGY. THAT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THING. I WOULD SUPPORT THAT FROM A SUSTAINABILITY PERSPECTIVE AND TALK ABOUT HOW TO HELP CUSTOMERS REDUCE THEIR FOOTPRINT. I LOVE THAT IDEA BUT I DON'T THINK I WANT TO USE FRANCHISED HACKS TO EVER DO THAT. SO WITH THAT I THINK THESE ARE KIND OF STEEP 27% IS KIND OF STEEP BUT IT'S ALSO NOT BEEN DONE IN A WHILE. I GUESS A COUPLE OF YEARS, RIGHT? 2023 WAS THE LAST TIME WE DID IT SO I UNDERSTAND IT SO I THINK I'LL SUPPORT IT. THANKS. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER AND THERE'S COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON YEAH THANKS MAN. SO JUST BECAUSE I ASK A QUESTION DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN I AGREE WITH MY QUESTION . I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE FRANCHISE FEES. I PERSONALLY UNDERSTAND THAT IF WE ELIMINATE THESE WE'D INCREASE OUR LEVY 9% AUTOMATICALLY FOR EVERYBODY. I GET IT. BUT YOU KNOW WE'RE PAYING THAT ONE WAY OR WE'RE PAYING IT ANOTHER WAY. IT IS WHAT IT IS. YOU KNOW IN TERMS OF THE PERCENTAGE THING AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER ALESSANDRA EVEN THOUGH I BROUGHT IT UP AND EXPLAIN THE RATIONALE FOR IT, I AGREE THAT THIS IS FOR THE USAGE OF OUR RIGHT AWAY AND NOT A CONSUMPTION BASED THING IF WE WANT TO DO THINGS TO INCENTIVIZE ENERGY EFFICIENCY, I THINK THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO DO IT AND I THINK YOU KNOW, THE REALITY IS ENERGY COSTS KEEP GOING UP. WE HAVE EVERY INCENTIVE TO CONTINUE TO BE MORE EFFICIENT ALREADY BASED ON THE DIRECTION OF ENERGY PRICES IN THIS COUNTRY. SO YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, I CAN SUPPORT THIS. DO I LIKE FRANCHISE FEES AND HOW DO YOU KNOW BUT I JUST WANT TO FIND A WAY WE GOT TO COLLECT THE MONEY TO PAY FOR THESE THINGS THESE TRAILS, THESE PROJECTS. WE'RE GOING TO DO IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER IF THIS IS THE WAY THAT WE CHOOSE TO DO IT. I THINK WHILE REQUEST AND THIS IS A REQUEST BASED ON THE FACT THAT OUR STAFF HAS DONE AN AMAZING JOB EVERY YEAR OF PUTTING THIS IN FRONT OF PEOPLE, LET'S GIVE THE FULL PICTURE TO FOLKS WHEN WE GET TO THE BUDGET CYCLE AND YOU GUYS DO THAT EVERY YEAR EVEN IF WE HEAR FROM A FEW PEOPLE THAT SAY WE DON'T GIVE THEM MATH, WE PUT THIS ALL THEY'RE LIKE HERE'S YOUR TAXES, HERE'S YOUR FRANCHISE FARES, HERE'S YOUR WATER, HERE'S YOUR YOU KNOW, ALL YOUR STUFF. IT'S ALL PUT OUT THERE EVERY YEAR TOTALLY TRANSPARENT ABOUT IT AND SO AGAIN THANK YOU FOR FOR LOOKING AT THIS THANK YOU FOR FIGURING OUT WHAT IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO COST AN APPEARS TO ME THAT YOU KNOW THINGS COST MORE THIS YEAR THAN LAST YEAR. THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS. JUST TWO QUICK COMING UP IF YOU MENTIONED THAT THE POSSIBILITY IF WE ELIMINATED FRANCHISE FEES, THE POSSIBILITY OF A TAX LEVY GOING UP TO 9%. RIGHT. BUT IF WE KEEP IT FRANCHISE FEES THESE ARE GOING TO BE CAPPED UP BETWEEN 5 AND 6%. THE TAX LEVY AS WE DISCUSSED LAST YEAR THAT HE WAS GOING TO THE GOAL WAS TO KEEP IT AROUND 6% IF WE ALLOWED THESE FRANCHISE FEES TO CONTINUE. I THINK THAT ANYTHING YES YEAH . SO I MEAN YOU KNOW WE ALL KNOW THESE ATTACKS AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT IT IS. THERE'S NO WAY TO PUT IT ANY OTHER WAY WE CAN COME UP WITH WHATEVER WE WANT BUT STILL A TAX I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE STATE AND THE UTILITY COMPANIES TO STOP IT. RIGHT. I MEAN I CITED THE ALEXANDER ON THIS I THINK IS THE GREATEST IDEA THAT HAS COME OUT OF THIS. BUT I MEAN IT'S I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO MUCH INTO IT BUT I SAW I JUST JUST MY QUESTION ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO KEEP THE TAX LEVY AT A DECENT PERCENTAGE IF WE CONTINUE WITH THIS TAX OF FRANCHISE FEES? >> MAYOR AND COUNCIL WE'RE JUST APPROACHING A 2728 TWO YEAR BUDGET CYCLE. WE ARE OF COURSE WE WANT TO KEEP IT AS LOW AS WE CAN. WE'RE NOT ANYWHERE NEAR KNOWING INFORMATION AT THIS TIME AND AGREED AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE CHART IN FRONT OF YOU, VICTOR, IT'S A I MEAN THE RESIDENTIAL WILL NOT INCREASE. YEAH, IT'S THIS IS A 0% INCREASE FOR THIS. NO I'M AWARE OF THAT AND I ALSO SAW THE INFORMATION THAT IS COMING UP WITH IT FOR THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR IS ALREADY STARTED. I MEAN I KNOW THAT THE INFORMATION IS OUT THERE. MY GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY SEE IT THAT WE NEED TO BE MORE PROACTIVE. I MEAN THE INFORMATION GOES OUT THERE. I MEAN I GET THE AGENDA AND SOMETIMES I DON'T READ READ THE WHOLE THING. I MEAN I READ BY CATCHES MY ATTENTION AND I DEDICATE TO THAT ONLY SO PEOPLE HAVE THE TENDENCY TO DO THAT. THE PUBLIC DOES THAT AND AS WELL AS ANY OF US IT I YOU KNOW WE WE I AM SURE THAT WE DON'T READ THE ENTIRE AGENDA. I, I CAN TELL A LOT OF THE TIMES BY WHAT I HEAR BUT MY WHOLE THING IS WE GOT AN EMAIL SAYING THAT THE TAX THE LEVY FOR NEXT YEAR IS VERY YOU KNOW WE'RE PLANNING ON HAVING EVENTS TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATE AND ALL THAT STUFF. SO I AND THE EARLIER WE DO THAT THE BETTER SO PEOPLE CAN PARTICIPATE. I HAD THE COMMENTS HEARD BECAUSE I REMEMBER MY FIRST YEAR IT WAS THE LAST MINUTE THE PEOPLE CAME IN HERE. IT WAS JUST ONE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEY HAD NO OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE THEIR DISCONTENT ON IT. BUT THAT SAID I DON'T WANT TO DRAG THESE TOO LONG. OKAY? I'M SORRY IF I AM JUST GOING ALONG WITH THIS. JUST MY QUESTION IS WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO KEEP THE TAX LEVY AT A LOWER AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. I MEAN WE HAD PROMISES LAST YEAR THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE GOAL AND COUNCILMEMBER I THINK WE'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION AS A COUNCILMAN WE'VE ASKED THAT AS WELL. SO YES. SO I THINK THE ANSWER THERE IS YES AND I THINK I MEAN THIS IS A SEPARATE CONVERSATION BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. >> YEAH. I JUST YOU KNOW, I AND I HATE TO DO THAT I JUST YOU KNOW, AND HAVE A LOT MORE IN MY HEAD THAT I WANT TO SAY IN REGARDS TO THIS. BUT IT'S A SEPARATE CONVERSATION. I JUST YOU KNOW, IT MY WHOLE THING IS AND I DON'T MEAN ANY DISRESPECT OKAY I'M JUST ADDING THIS IS BECAUSE I JUST WANT TO ASK TWO QUESTIONS. I YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO BE ASKED I'M SORRY IF YOU KNOW I DON'T MEAN TO PUT ANYBODY ON THE SPOT AND NOT DISRESPECT WHATSOEVER. OKAY I YOU WHAT AM I GREATEST HERE? SO HERE YOU RUN THIS CITY REALLY TIGHT FINANCIALLY ONE OF THE BEST PLACES IN IN THE STATE YOU KNOW I'M EVEN IN THE COUNTRY FROM WHAT I HEAR BUT YOU KNOW I STILL HAVE TO ASK QUESTIONS AND COUNCIL MEMBER BETWEEN NOW AND DECEMBER YOU'RE GOING HAVE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO YEAH PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL HAVE TO SETTLE ON THAT WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT I JUST WANT TO KEEP TALKING. COME ON. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I MEAN COUNCILMEMBER ROBERTSON THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST A REALLY QUICK COMMENT AND JUST TO KIND OF ECHO WHAT SOME OTHERS HAVE SAID, I DO THINK INCLUDING RETAINING WALLS AND THIS WOULD BE A REALLY GREAT USE OF THOSE FUNDS. RIGHT. AS A FREQUENT PARK USER HERE IN BLOOMINGTON, I TRAIL USER I KNOW IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE KEEPING AN EYE ON RIGHT? FOR SO MANY REASONS SAFETY BEING ONE OF THEM AND THEN TO CERTAINLY ECHO SOME OF WHAT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID ALREADY, I DO THINK NO PUN INTENDED BUT WE'RE IN BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE RIGHT? THERE'S NO PERFECT RIGHT. THERE'S NO PERFECT SOLUTION. BUT I THINK GIVEN WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED I THINK A FLAT RATE SYSTEM FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD IS IS PROBABLY THE WAY TO GO. AND CERTAINLY WHAT I WOULD SUPPORT HERE AND AGAIN IDEALLY A RESIDENCE OR COMMERCIAL FOLKS WOULDN'T BE PAYING THIS AND THE COMPANIES WOULD BE PAYING IT. BUT THAT'S NOT THE WORLD WE FIND OURSELVES IN AND SO HERE WE ARE AND SO LET'S MAKE THE BEST USE WE CAN OF WHERE WE FIND OURSELVES. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE PRESENTATION. I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING AND YOU I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH TO WORK ON THERE? WE DO WORK WITH THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL I'M GOING TO GO ON ITEM 2.2 HERE. THIS IS A REVIEW OF OUR URBAN FOREST MASTER PLAN AND I'LL POINT OUT TO TO STAFF AND I'LL CERTAINLY POINT OUT TO COUNCIL WE HAVE THREE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT AND WE'RE ALREADY UP TO 718 SO WE'VE GOT SOME THINGS TO GET THROUGH. WE'VE GOT SOME WORK TO DO SO LET'S MAKE SURE WE GET IT DONE SO. GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME. GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND COUNCIL . I AM HERE WITH PART OF OUR TEAM FROM DAVY RESOURCE GROUP. GAIL NAZAR IS HERE AND WE'LL SHARE THIS PRESENTATION LEAD THE PRESENTATION ONLINE. SANDRA ALLBAUGH ONE OF THE ASSOCIATES WORKING ON OUR PLAN WITH US AS WELL AS DAVE HANSON AND OUR CITY FORESTER DUSTIN IS IS HERE TO FIRST THIS PROJECT INCLUDES A SIGNIFICANT DATA COLLECTION THAT YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT TONIGHT THAT INCLUDES A CANOPY ASSESSMENT AND A SMART TREE INVENTORY THAT ALL CONTRIBUTES TO THE URBAN FOREST MASTER PLAN. SO FOLLOWING THIS PRESENTATION WE ARE GOING TO ASK FOR SOME STRATEGIC DIRECTION ON A FEW AREAS OF URBAN FOREST MANAGEMENT BEING RIGHT AWAY TREES AND MANAGING TREES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. WE'LL TAKE FEEDBACK TONIGHT AFTER THE PRESENTATION ON ANYTHING YOU WANTED TO HEAR OR LEARN ABOUT THAT YOU MAY BE DIDN'T OR HAVE QUESTIONS ON AS WELL AS THE SPECIFIC FEEDBACK WE'RE ASKING FOR AND THEN WILL BE BACK TO REVIEW THE DRAFT PLAN WE THINK BY THE END OF APRIL I'LL TURN IT OVER TO SANDRA. VERY GOOD, GIL. I'M SORRY. YEAH. YEAH. GOOD EVENING. WELCOME. THANKS FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT . THANK YOU, MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL MCGILL AND ALSO WITH THE DAVIE RESOURCE GROUP AND THIS EVENING I'M HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO PRESENT AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROCESS THAT WE USED TO DEVELOP THE URBAN FOREST MASTER PLAN WITH THE WITH THE STAFF HERE. SO FIRST OFF THE URBAN AND URBAN FOREST MASTER PLAN PROVIDES VISION GOALS AND RECOMMENDED ACTIONS TO SUPPORT THE CITY'S FORESTRY OPERATIONS OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS. TREES DEFINITELY SPEAK WELL TO BLOOMINGTON'S MISSION AND VISION AND WE HEARD THAT CONTINUALLY THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS WHEN PEOPLE NAMED TREES AS ONE OF THE REASONS THEY LOVED LIVING IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON. THE URBAN FOREST MASTER PLAN IS A PROCESS THAT HAS KICKED OFF OVER OVER A YEAR AGO AND THE PLAN WILL BE FINALIZED THIS SPRING AND HOPEFULLY WITH ADOPTION LATER ON THIS SPRING ONCE WE RECEIVE SOME FEEDBACK THIS EVENING THE PLANNING PROCESS ENGAGED OVER 231 RESIDENTS AND STAKEHOLDERS THROUGHOUT BLOOMINGTON AND A VARIETY OF PUBLIC MEETINGS INCLUDING SOME FOCUS GROUPS, STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS AS WELL AS AN ONLINE PRESENCE THROUGH LOTS LIKE BLOOMINGTON. OUR LATEST MEETING WAS HELD ON FEBRUARY 14TH AT THE AT THE FARMER'S MARKET AND WE HAD FANTASTIC ATTENDANCE WITH THAT. OVER 61 PEOPLE ATTENDED AND AT THAT PARTICULAR MEETING WE REVIEWED SOME OF THE GOALS AND ACTIONS FROM THE DRAFT ACTION PLAN AND WE RECEIVED COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND AGAIN HEARD OVERWHELMING AND UNDERSTANDING ABOUT BENEFITS OF TREES AND THE NEED FOR THEM AND THE COMMUNITY IS PART OF THAT PROCESS. OF COURSE THE THE RESOURCE GROUP CONDUCTED AN URBAN FOREST CANOPY ASSESSMENT AS PART OF OUR FIRST PROCESS AND FIRST OF ALL YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT AN URBAN FOREST IS. IT'S ALL THE TREES IN OUR PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SPACES THROUGHOUT THE CITY CITYWIDE IN BLOOMINGTON 35% THANK YOU 35% OF THE OF THE CITY HOW WE USE HIGH RESOLUTION PHOTOGRAPHY AND FOUND THAT THAT OVER THE CANOPY IS 35% SINCE 2023 THAT'S THE LATEST COVERAGE THAT WE HAD FOR THE AERIAL IMAGERY TREES OF TREE COVER DOES VARY WIDELY ACROSS THE CITY FROM THE LOWEST AREA IN THE NORTH YOUR CELL TOWN AT 1.5% ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE SOUTH AREA WITH NINE MILE CREEK AND HAVING 63%. SO THERE CERTAINLY IS VARIABILITY ACROSS THE CITY OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS BLOOMINGTON HAS ADDED 390 ACRES OF TREE CANOPY AND THIS IS REMARKABLE CONSIDERING THAT YOU'VE HAD EMERALD ASH BORER IN THE CITY SINCE 2014. SO IT'S VERY IMPRESSIVE TO SEE THIS TYPE OF GROWTH WITH THAT MANY TREES THAT YOU'VE HAD TO REMOVE OVER TIME. RESIDENTIAL LAND CONTAINS 5000 ACRES OF TREE CANOPY WITH OVER 2700 POSSIBLE IN THAT AREA. THE CONSERVATION LANDS IN BLOOMINGTON WHICH INCLUDES THE PARKS AND NATURAL AREAS HAS 2400 ACRES WITH THE CAPACITY OF AN ADDITIONAL 800 ACRES WITHIN THE STREETS RIGHT AWAY AND TREE COVER IS 15% AND TREE CANOPY GREW OVER 95 ACRES OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS AND THAT'S VERY LIMITED JUST NO STREET TREE PLANTING SINCE THE 1970S WITH JOHN DISEASE AND CURRENTLY WITHOUT ANY PROCEDURES FOR REQUESTING THOSE THAT'S WHY THAT HAS STAYED MODERATE. I ALSO WANT TO TO ADDRESS THE PRIORITY PLANTING AREAS IN THE CITY AND AS PART OF OUR TREE CANOPY ASSESSMENT WE LOOKED AND EVALUATED THOSE BASED ON PRIORITY ON THE HEATMAP. THE NEXT SLIDE HERE YOU'LL SEE OF POSSIBLE PLANTING AREAS WITH THE HEAT MAP SHOWING IN RED YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE PLANTING AREAS INCLUDED BERRIES, PLANTING AREAS INCLUDED BARE SOIL AND OTHER GRASS AND OTHER LOW LYING VEGETATION WHERE THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO TREES IT DOES EXCLUDE BALL FIELDS AND OTHER AREAS WHERE IT'S NOT AS DESIRABLE FOR FOR PLANTING POSSIBLE PLANTING AREAS WERE PRIORITIZED BASED ON THE ABILITY TO REDUCE THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT AS WELL AS CAPTURE STORMWATER AND IMPROVE SOCIAL EQUITY, HUMAN HEALTH AND WELL-BEING. AND THERE ARE MANY MORE BENEFITS. HOWEVER THESE ARE THE EASIEST TO MEASURE THROUGH A HEAT MAP TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY. WE ALSO LOOKED AT TREE COUNT THE POSSIBLE PLANTING AREAS WERE DIVIDED INTO SMALL MEDIUM AND LARGE SPACES. MOST PLANTING SITES ARE ON PRIVATE LAND AND TOTALING ABOUT 13% OF THAT AREA PUBLIC LAND AND RIGHT OF WAYS TOTAL ABOUT 4%. THESE SITES REPRESENT MAXIMUM PLANTING POTENTIAL AND THEY SHOULD BE EVALUATED CLOSELY TO DETERMINE SUITABILITY OF COURSE WORKING WITH ENGINEERING AND THINGS TO DETERMINE WHETHER WHERE IS A GOOD PLACE TO PLANT. CONTINUING ON LOOKING AT OUR TREE COUNT BY PRIORITY THOSE ARE POSSIBLE PLANTING SITES AND PLANTING MORE PLANTING ON PRIVATE LAND AND THE RIGHT OF WAY ARE ACTUALLY EQUAL. THEY'RE PRETTY LOW ACROSS THE PRIORITY LEVELS PLANTING SITES AND PUBLIC FACILITIES ARE MOSTLY A VERY LOW PRIORITY FOR THE HEAT ISLAND IMPACTS STORMWATER CAPTURE AND SO AND SOCIAL EQUITY SO LOOKING AT THE STREET TREE AND THE CANOPY ASSESSMENT, THE SECOND PART OF OUR PROJECT WAS LOOKING AT THE STREET IN THE THE BLOOMINGTON STREET TREES AND I FIRST BEFORE WE LOOK AT THIS NEXT SLIDE I DO HAVE TO SEE THAT BLOOMINGTON IS THE SECOND CITY IN MINNESOTA TO EVER TAKE ON WHAT WAS USING LIGHT HOUR IN HIGH SPECTRAL IMAGING TO LOOK AT THEIR TREE CANOPY SO THIS IS PHENOMENAL. THERE'S PROBABLY ONLY ABOUT TEN COMMUNITIES IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY THIS PAST YEAR THAT TOOK ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS. SO FROM SOMEBODY IN THE INDUSTRY IT IS VERY IMPRESSIVE THAT YOU'VE TAKEN ON THIS PROJECT TO LOOK AT YOUR DATA. SO HATS OFF TO ALL OF YOUR STAFF THAT HAVE BEEN MOVING THIS FORWARD AS WE LEARNED ABOUT BLOOMINGTON STREET TREES THERE'S 24,549 TREES GROWING ALONG THE 450 MILES OF STREET TREES ABOUT HALF OF THOSE ARE PLANTED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE ABOUT THE OTHER HALF EXTEND INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY FROM PRIVATE PROPERTY OF THOSE TREES. AS WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS WE IDENTIFIED THROUGH SOME REMOTE INSPECTION AND THEN FIELD INSPECTION BY CERTIFIED ARBORISTS THAT THERE'S 56 TREES ARE WERE IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THIS PROCESS FOR REMOVAL AND ANOTHER 256 RECOMMENDED FOR PRUNING. AS I MENTIONED THIS IS A HIGHLY TECHNICAL PROCESS THAT IS VERY REPEATABLE IN THE SMART TREE CAP SMART TREE PROCESS CAPTURES AN UNPRECEDENTED AMOUNT OF DATA ONE TERABYTE A DAY WHICH IS PHENOMENAL AND THE DATA THAT RESULTS IN THIS IS FIVE HIGH RESOLUTION IMAGES AND A DIGITAL TWIN WHERE YOU CAN LOOK AT A TREE AND SPIN IT AROUND AND SEE IT RIGHT FROM YOUR DESK. ALL THE DATA CAPS CAPTURED AS PART OF THIS PROCESS IS DIRECTLY EFFICIENT FOR URBAN FOREST. IT REALLY HELPS TO MOVE FROM A REACTIVE SITUATION TO A PROACTIVE SITUATION FOR FOR FOREST AS AN INDUSTRY WE ARE STILL LEARNING ABOUT THIS. THIS IS STILL RELATIVELY NEW AND SO WE ARE LOOKING TO BLOOMINGTON IS HELPING TO KIND OF PAVE THE WAY FOR OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THIS HIGH TECHNICAL APPROACH TO THE URBAN FOREST. SO WE'RE MOVING FROM RECOMMENDATIONS FROM VISITS IN MAYBE EVERY TWO YEARS TO LOOKING AT TREES THAT REALLY NEED THAT SPECIFIC HELP VERSUS CONSIDERING ALL THE TREES EVERY TIME WHEN IT COMES TO BLOOMINGTON STREET TREES THERE ARE SOME THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT MAYBE ARE NOT THE BEST FOR A RIGHT OF WAY. FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A HIGH PROPORTION HERE YOU'LL SEE OF SILVER, MAPLE AND NORWAY MAPLE AS WELL AS AS ELM. SOME OF THESE TREES TEND TO BE VERY LARGE. THEY ARE PRONE TO SOME STORM DAMAGE AND OF COURSE GREEN ASH AS YOU KNOW SUCCUMBS TO EMERALD ASH BORER. SO THERE'S CERTAINLY ROOM TO OPTIMIZE THAT AND THAT WILL BE PART OF THE PLAN AS WELL TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR SOME ADDITIONAL TREES TREES ARE NOT ONLY ESTHETICALLY PLEASING BUT THEY COME WITH LOTS OF BENEFITS AND THE TREES AS A PUBLIC RESOURCE PROVIDING 183,000 BENEFITS PER YEAR OF STORMWATER CAPTURE POLLUTE AIR POLLUTION REMOVAL AND CARBON CAPTURE AND AGAIN THOSE ARE THE EASIEST TO TO MEASURE FOR THOSE TREES. SO IT'S IT ADDS TREMENDOUSLY TO THE SUSTAINABILITY OF YOUR COMMUNITY AS PART OF THE URBAN FOREST MASTER PLAN WE ALSO LOOK AT THE RESILIENCY OF YOUR URBAN FOREST AND IT ESTIMATES THE VULNERABILITY OF YOUR TREE POPULATION WHEN IT COMES TO POTENTIAL PESTS AND DISEASES LIKE I'M SURE YOU'VE WITNESSED OVER THE YEAR WITH DUTCH ARM DISEASE AND OF COURSE ASH IT PROVIDES SPECIES RECOMMENDATIONS FOR AS WE PREDICT IN THE FUTURE OTHER TYPES OF PESTS AND DISEASES HOW YOUR TREE POPULATION WOULD BE VULNERABLE IS WHAT THIS OUTLINES RIGHT HERE THE INFORMATION THAT WE CAPTURED IN THIS IN THIS PROCESS FOR THE INVENTORY CAN BE USED THROUGH A DASHBOARD IN THE TREE KEEPER SOFTWARE AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN SHOW GENERALLY TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN CONTROL WHAT TYPES OF FEATURES YOU WOULD LIKE THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO SEE. SO THAT IS PART OF YOUR OVERALL PROJECT TO BE ABLE TO SEE INDIVIDUAL TREES NEAR AN INDIVIDUAL'S HOME IS PART OF THE PROCESS. WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE CITY FORESTRY OPERATIONS AS PART OF THAT. WE'RE IS WE ARE ABLE TO LOOK AT OVER 500 U.S. CITIES OF SIMILAR SIZES THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY AND CURRENTLY THROUGH OUR PROCESS YOU'LL SEE HERE ON THIS CHART THAT BLOOMINGTON DOES HAVE FEWER FULL TIME EQUIVALENT STAFF MEMBERS CONDUCTING TREE CARE FOR TREE CARE IS MOSTLY CONTINUES TO BE REACTIVE RESPONSE TO EMERGENCIES, COMPLAINTS AND RIGHT OF WAY ENCROACHMENTS. IN RECENT YEARS MOST OF THE TREATER CONDUCTED BY PARKS HAS BEEN TREE REMOVAL DUE TO EAB WHICH I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH. IN THE FUTURE WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE SOME OF THOSE REMOVALS DECLINE AND TURN AND LOOK AT IT, LOOK AT MOVING SOME OF THOSE RESOURCES TO TREE PRUNING MORE OF A MAINTENANCE ASPECT FOR YOUR TREES. PARKS EXPENDITURES DO TRACK WITH TREE ACTIVITIES OVER THE LAST THREE YEARS 77% OF PARKS FORESTRY EXPENDITURES HAVE GONE TOWARDS TREE REMOVAL AS WELL. AND AMONG LOOKING AT THE BUDGET AMONG 463 TREE 463 U.S. CITIES INCLUDING THE MIDWEST CITIES YOU'LL SEE HERE KIND OF HOW BLOOMINGTON COMPARES WHEN THE LAST THREE YEARS WHEN IT COMES TO BUDGET THERE ARE SO YOU'LL NOTICE SOME ALLOCATIONS IT WAS HIGHER AND IN 2024 DUE TO REMOVALS FOR TREES AND IN 2025 THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT LOWER BUDGET DUE TO REMOVALS. THE OPTIMUM LEVEL HERE YOU CAN SEE IS STILL WELL BELOW THAT NATIONAL AVERAGE WHEN IT COMES TO FORESTRY EXPENDITURES THERE IS A LOT OF DEMAND FOR FORESTRY CONSULTATIONS WITHIN THE CITY. MOST OF THESE ARE REVOLVE AROUND RIGHT OF WAY TREES AND PRIVATE TREES AND YOU CAN SEE HERE SOME PUBLIC REQUEST PERCENTAGES HERE SHOWN ARE FROM 2024 TO 2026 WHEN IT COMES TO POLICY, BLOOMINGTON TREE ORDINANCES DO DATE BACK TO THE 1950S AND TO THE 1970S. THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS MISALIGNMENT BETWEEN CURRENT CODE AND CURRENT PRACTICE AND RESOLVING SOME OF THOSE ISSUES WE'D RECOMMEND AS UPDATING SOME CODE CHANGING PRACTICE OR COMBINATION OF THOSE THROUGHOUT THE PLAN . SO FROM OUR PROCESS HERE WE HAVE IDENTIFIED SIX INDIVIDUAL GOALS THAT WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU LOOK FURTHER INTO AND SOME OF THESE ARE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO DIVE INTO A FEW OF THESE PIECES TODAY BUT INCREASING PERHAPS INTO PROACTIVE MANAGEMENT SUPPORTING MORE PRIVATE STREET TREE STEWARDSHIP WHICH IS WHERE A LOT OF YOUR TREE BENEFITS ARE COMING FROM ON PRIVATE LANDS LOOKING AT THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES TO HAVE SOME BETTER ALIGNMENT AS WELL AS ALIGNING SOME URBAN COMMUNITY FORESTRY GOALS AS WE'VE OUTLINED HERE TODAY AS WELL AS CONTINUING TO CREATE A RESILIENT FOREST AND OF COURSE CONTINUE TO EXPAND SOME PARTNERSHIPS THAT YOU'RE ALREADY DOING WITHIN THE CITY. SO FROM HERE YOU TURN THIS BACK OVER TO RENEE AND WE'RE GOING TO TACKLE THIS ONE TOGETHER. THANK YOU, GAYLE FIRST STAFF ARE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE DATA AND JUST THE COUNCIL'S COMMITMENT TO URBAN FORESTRY PARTICULARLY IN MY LAST FIVE YEARS HERE YOU KNOW THE FOREST DIVISION, THE WORK OF URBAN FORESTRY WAS MANAGED BY A TEAM MEMBER DAVE WHO WORE THREE HATS AT THE TIME AS URBAN FORESTER MAINTENANCE SUPERVISOR AND FACILITY SUPERVISOR WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, DAVE BECAME A SUPERVISOR OF THAT DIVISION. WE HAVE AN URBAN FORESTER POSITION NOW DUSTIN WHO'S HERE TONIGHT AND THEN I'LL REMIND YOU OF THE PARTNERSHIP THAT YOU ENTERED IN WITH THREE RIVERS PARK DISTRICT THAT WAS ,YOU KNOW, SUCH A WIN WIN FOR THE COMMUNITY THE PARK. BUT SPECIFICALLY FOR FORESTRY WE WERE ABLE TO REAP PROGRAM A FULL TIME STAFF THAT WAS WORKING AT NORMANDALE LAKE TO OUR FORESTRY DIVISION AND THAT HAS HELPED SIGNIFICANTLY WITH WITH OPERATIONS A COUPLE OTHER STRATEGIC INVESTMENTS THROUGH STRATEGIC PRIORITIES ONE BEING A REALLY GREAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT WITH THE LOG LOADER WE'RE ABLE TO REALLY DO WORK IN HALF THE TIME WITH LESS STAFF AND MUCH SAFER OPERATIONS AND THEN OF COURSE THE INVESTMENT IN THIS PLAN THE DATA COLLECTION IN THE PLAN ITSELF THAT WE'RE WORKING ON TODAY. SO COUNCIL'S COMMITMENT HERE TO TREES THE URBAN FOREST AND THAT COMMITMENT AND THAT CAN HOW THAT CONTRIBUTES TO QUALITY OF LIFE IN BLOOMINGTON IS REALLY, REALLY RECOGNIZED AND IMPORTANT. THE FIRST DISCUSSION THAT I'D LIKE TO START HERE WITH COUNCIL IS RIGHT AWAY TREES WE TALKED ABOUT KIND OF THE HISTORY A LITTLE BIT OF RIGHT AWAY TREES BUT THE POLICIES AND CODES ABOUT PLANTING TREES IN THE RIGHT AWAY HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR ABOUT 50 YEARS SINCE THE AS GIL MENTIONED THE ONLY THERE'S A WE INVENTORIED ABOUT 11,000 TREES IN THE RIGHT AWAY AND THOSE HAVE BEEN PLANTED THROUGH REDEVELOPMENT OR SOME SPECIAL PERMIT APPLICATIONS RIGHT NOW CODE PROHIBITS TREES TO BE PLANTED IN THE RIGHT AWAY EXCEPT BY PERMIT AND WE DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE A PERMIT PROGRAM TODAY. THE OTHER SO THAT IS THAT'S THE STATUS QUO AND I'M HERE TO ASK COUNCIL WHAT DIRECTION WOULD YOU LIKE US TO TAKE AND EXPLORE MORE WITH EXPANDING THAT URBAN FOREST AND TREE CANOPY IN THE RIGHT AWAY? IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR BLOOMINGTON TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE QUALITY OF LIFE RESIDENT EXPERIENCE AND EQUITY AS IT RELATES TO EXPERIENCES IN OUR RIGHTS OF WAY AND ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. WE LOOKED AT A HEAT MAP EARLIER TONIGHT THAT SHOWS AS WELL AS THE CANOPY COVER THAT SHOWS THE LESSER TREE COVER ACROSS BLOOMINGTON AND WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT SO FAR WITH THIS PLAN IS GAYLE SHOWED A LITTLE BIT WITHIN THE PRIORITY PLANTING AREAS AND ACROSS THE CITY WHERE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO PLANT A TREE . SO WE'VE GOT THAT DATA AND CAN SEE THESE ARE THE POTENTIAL TREE PLANTING OPPORTUNITIES AND KIND OF EXTRAPOLATING FROM THERE WITHOUT YOU KNOW, THESE INSPECTIONS. WE'VE DONE SOME ANALYSIS TO SAY WITH SEVERAL OPTIONS OF SHOULD WE JUST ISSUE PERMITS TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO PLANT TREES IN THE RIGHT AWAY AND THEN TAKE ON THAT MAINTENANCE WHICH WE'RE NOT DOING NOW. IT WOULD BE A VERY SMALL INCREMENTAL INCREASE TO OUR MAINTENANCE BUDGET. THE MAINTENANCE WE IDENTIFIED AS A RESULT OF THIS INVENTORY IS ABOUT $120,000 WORTH OF WORK A LOT WHICH CAN BE COVERED THROUGH EXISTING CONTRACTS EXPANDING THE PROGRAM THROUGH A PERMIT PROCESS OR BY A CITY IMPLEMENTED OR IN COMBINATION WITH THE CITY IMPLEMENTED PROGRAM THAT WOULD PLANT TREES IS SOMETHING STAFF TOOK A LITTLE BIT CLOSER LOOK AT WITH THE DATA WE HAVE ACROSS THE CITY THE PLAN IDENTIFIED ABOUT 45,000 PLACES TO PLANT TREES. WE KNOW THOSE AREN'T VIABLE. WE HAVE AN EXPECTED THEM BUT LOOKING AT SPECIFICALLY IN THE PRIORITY AREAS, WE ESTIMATE ABOUT 11,000 PLACES TO PLANT TREES IF THE CITY WERE TO UNDERTAKE A TREE PLANTING PROGRAM KNOWING THE COST OF PLANTING A TREE AND INCORPORATING LONG TERM MAINTENANCE, WE ESTIMATE THE PLANTING COSTS AT ABOUT $400,000 A YEAR WHICH WOULD BE NEW FUNDING. A PROGRAM LIKE THAT WOULD TAKE, YOU KNOW, 2 TO 3 YEARS TO DEVELOP AND IMPLEMENT AND THEN DOWN THE ROAD AT ABOUT YEAR 7 OR 8 INCREASED MAINTENANCE COSTS WOULD COME AS WE ON A SEVEN YEAR CYCLE DO THESE INSPECTIONS TO SEE WHAT DO WE NEED TO PRUNE AND REMOVE ASSUMING THOSE COSTS FACTORED IN BY YEAR TEN WITH INFLATION WE'RE ESTIMATING ABOUT $600,000 IN PLANTING COSTS PLUS ANOTHER YOU KNOW, 300 IN MAINTENANCE COSTS. SO THAT'S A COMMITMENT OF FOCUSING ON PRIORITY PLANTING AREAS OF THOSE 11,000 SITES AND WHAT A CITY INITIATED TREE PROGRAM MIGHT LOOK LIKE. I OFFERED ON HERE, YOU KNOW, FULL SERVICE MUNICIPAL PROGRAM . WE KNOW WHAT A STANDARD LIKE MINNEAPOLIS AND SAINT PAUL HAVE WHERE THE CITY PLANTS BOULEVARD TREES MAINTAINS BOULEVARD TREES CITYWIDE AND THAT'S REALLY TAKING THOSE 45,000 SITES, YOU KNOW, ESTIMATING WHAT ARE VIABLE THERE WHICH MIGHT BE HALF BUT YOU CAN ESSENTIALLY TIMES THAT BY FOUR FOR YOU KNOW, A FULL CITY IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAM. SO IN 20, YOU KNOW, GETTING THAT DONE OVER 20 YEARS WOULD BE ALMOST $1 MILLION A YEAR IN TREE PLANTING COSTS. SO OUR STAFF IS JUST OFFERING THIS FOR DISCUSSION ON A SCALE OF WHAT IMPLEMENTATION LOOKS LIKE WHERE WE COULD JUST SIMPLY START ISSUING PERMITS WHILE WE TAKE ON THE MAINTENANCE OF TREES. WE COULD ALSO COME UP WITH A PROACTIVE PLAN THAT FOCUSES IN PRIORITY AREAS WHERE THE CITY IS INITIATING PLANTING BUT ALSO WHILE OFFERING A PERMIT OR WE HAVE THAT OPTION OF YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO HAVE A FULL SERVICE FULL CITY TREE PLANTING PROGRAM AT A A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT SO SOME FEEDBACK IN DIRECTION THERE IS REQUESTED IS SMALL INCREMENTAL INCREASE VERSUS YOU KNOW A REALLY LARGE PROGRAM. BEFORE WE DIVE INTO IT, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THIS OUTSTANDING PRESENTATION. THIS THIS IS THIS ASSESSMENT IS REMARKABLE IN TERMS OF ITS HOW BROAD IT IS AND HOW DEEP IT IS AND THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS THAT YOU ADDRESSED IN IT. IT'S VERY, VERY WELL DONE AND I APPRECIATE THAT. AND FOR A COUNCIL THAT SAYS HOW THEY WANT TO MAKE DATA DRIVEN DECISIONS WELL WE'VE GOT A TON OF DATA HERE TO MAKE THIS DECISION HERE FOLKS. AND AND NOT JUST NOT JUST GUESSWORK EITHER. THEY HAD THE EXACT NUMBER OF TREES IN THE CITY IS VERY IMPRESSIVE AND AND I WILL SAY THAT THE PART THAT'S NOT AT ALL SURPRISING IS HOW THE MAINTENANCE OF CURRENT TREES IS INCREDIBLY COST EFFECTIVE AND INCREDIBLY EFFICIENT IN TERMS OF THE THE OVERALL CANOPY IN THE CITY. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. WELL DONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO WITH THAT SAID COUNCIL QUESTIONS THOUGHTS ON THIS WILL START WITH COUNCILMEMBER ROBERTSON AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN. THANK YOU MAYOR. JUST COMMENTS NO QUESTIONS. I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THE OPTION THE FOURTH OPTION THE CITYWIDE PROGRAM THAT'S COMBINING THE RESIDENT PERMIT PROGRAM AND THE TARGETED TARGETED EXCUSE ME EQUITY PROGRAM THAT TO ME REALLY DOES SEEM LIKE SOMETHING THAT'S THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS. I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT JUST IN CASE I WANT TO JINX IT BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS A REALLY COOL OPTION AND I THAT IS WHAT I WOULD STRONGLY SUPPORT. I THINK THAT GIVES RESIDENTS WHO HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL AND THE TIME AND THE MONEY AND EXPERTISE AND ALL THAT TO GET THAT DONE. AND WE KNOW THAT WE'RE VERY LUCKY IN BLOOMINGTON TO HAVE A NUMBER OF THOSE RESIDENTS. BUT IT WOULD ALSO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON PARTS OF THE CITY THAT DON'T HAVE THOSE SAME RESOURCES FROM PRIVATE RESIDENTS. SO I THINK THIS IS REALLY COOL. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT AND I THINK OPTION FOUR WOULD BE THE WAY I WOULD LIKE TO GO. SO THAT'S FOR COUNCILMEMBER LAMENT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. I JUST GOT TO MAKE COMMENTS. I THINK MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ALL GIVEN YOU THE ATTABOY STUFF AND I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT I'M NOT SURE IF MY OPTION IS EVEN ON HERE. WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT TREES A LOT LIKE WE DO OUR PAVEMENT. YOU KNOW, WE'VE KIND OF DID THAT BEFORE THIS COUNCIL WHEN WE LOOKED AT TRAILS AND SIDEWALKS. I'M NOT SAYING ADD THIS TO THE PUMP PROGRAM AT ALL BUT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF OUR OUR BUDGET RIGHT NOW IS CURRENTLY SPENT ON REMOVAL. BUT HOW DO WE PROACTIVELY YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, BUILD A PROGRAM WHERE WE YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT THESE TREES LIKE WE DO ROADS, SINKHOLES AND THAT TYPE OF THING AND BUILD A PROGRAM WHERE WE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, FIND A WAY TO ELIMINATE THOSE THOSE SPOTS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT ACROSS THERE AND REALLY BE METHODICAL ACROSS THE CITY LIKE WE ARE WITH THE PMP PROGRAM AND REALLY HAVE A PLAN OF ACTION AND THEN YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I SAID TO THE CITY MANAGER EARLIER TODAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE COST? YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND THEN MAYBE IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S SOME TRADEOFFS THAT WE NEED TO MAKE. YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT A SNOW REMOVAL PROGRAM. DOES IT MAKE MORE SENSE FOR US TO INVEST IN IN THAT RATHER THAN WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THESE THE SNOW PLOW THING THAT'S GOING ON HERE? WE SHIFT OUR RESOURCES FROM HERE TO THERE AND THAT'S THE THING THAT I YOU KNOW, I'M PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT WITH THIS IS HOW DO WE SUSTAIN THIS FOR THE LONG TERM SO OTHER ASSESSMENTS YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE GET OTHER OTHER OTHER FOLKS TO HELP US, YOU KNOW, PAY FOR THIS? IT CAN'T JUST BE JUST A CITY TAX OR JUST IN THE BOULEVARD SURELY GOT TO BE AN ALL ENCOMPASSING THING LIKE THE CITY PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. >> YEAH. IF YOU DON'T MIND I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ACTUALLY ABOUT THE DATA AND NOT SURPRISED I'M SURE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT THIS SO FIRST OFF JUST TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING WHAT WHAT DOES CROWN ARE LIKE? WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF CROWN SIZE AND WHAT THE SMALL VERSUS MEDIUM VERSUS LARGE MEAN? >> GREAT QUESTION. COUNCILMAN BILL SANDRO, THE IT TYPICALLY CAN RANGE FROM A SMALL ONE THAT MIGHT BE A SMALL TREE THAT WOULD BE MAYBE 15 TO 20FT IN IN DIAMETER MEDIUM TREE MAYBE 20 TO 30 AND A LARGE TREE WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE LIKE 50 TO 70 ON INDUSTRY AVERAGE. >> OKAY. AND SO NOTHING THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A SAPLING OR A FIRST FIVE YEAR TREE WOULD HAVE BEEN COUNTED NECESSARILY. >> NO, THESE ARE YOU WOULD TYPICALLY WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT TREE PLANNING YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, MATURE YOU KNOW, MATURE SPACING OAK TREES MATURE UNDERSTOOD GREAT. AND WHEN YOU COUNTED ALL THE TREES DID YOU LOOK AT FOR EXAMPLE I HAVE A TREE THAT CAME DOWN I PUT A SMALL TREE IN IT'S NOT CANOPY LEVEL TREE YET OBVIOUSLY BUT IT'S REPLACING THE TREE THAT I PUT DOWN. WOULD YOU HAVE COUNTED THAT TREE AS YOU WENT BY BECAUSE IT IS LIKE CLOSE TO THE BOULEVARD. SO WOULD YOU HAVE COUNTED THAT TREE EVEN THOUGH IT'S A SMALL TREE WE DID SO WHEN YOU'RE ABLE TO LOOK AT THE DASHBOARD YOU'LL BE ABLE TO FIND YOUR OWN TREE. HOW DID YOU KNOW? AND IT WILL OF COURSE APPEAR AS THIS CURRENT SIZE IS A SMALL TREE BUT YEAH YES. YOU KNOW PART OF THE STUDY TRIES TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE AND WHAT YOU KNOW HOW THOSE WILL GROW INTO THAT. AND SO HAVING A PLANNED APPROACH TO TREE SPECIES SELECTION THROUGHOUT THE CITY IS VERY IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'VE GOT THE APPROPRIATE SIZE TREES IN THE SPACES RIGHT AND THAT MAKES THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. >> SECOND QUESTION WAS YOU MENTIONED WE HAVE 24,549 TREES ACROSS THE 45 MILES OF STREET THAT WE HAVE THAT AVERAGES OUT TO ABOUT 54 TREES PER MILE. IS THAT GOOD OR IS THAT BAD OR IS THAT LIKE AVERAGE FOR A CITY OUR SIZE? I'M KIND OF CURIOUS IF 54 TREES PER MILE IS WHAT YOU LIKE? WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE IS THE PROBLEM THAT THAT'S IT'S REALLY MORE LIKE 70 TREES SOMEPLACE AND ZERO TREES OTHER PLACES AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE OUT OR WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON THERE I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE. >> HOWEVER ANOTHER CITY IN THE AREA THAT HAS ALSO COMPLETED THIS HAD A VERY, VERY SIMILAR NUMBER OF STREET MILES AND NUMBER OF TREES ON THEIR BOULEVARD. SO I'D SAY YOU'RE YOU KNOW, YOU'RE HAVING TROUBLE AS TO IN THE METRO AREA. RIGHT. OKAY. I JUST WASN'T I'M KIND OF INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE OUTCOME WOULD BE FOR A RIGHT OF WAY TREE PROGRAM MEANING WHAT'S OUR GOAL IS OUR GOAL TO INCREASE THAT NUMBER FROM 54 TREES PER MILE TO 90 TREES PER MILE OR LIKE YOU KNOW, FOR ME THAT'S THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION THAT THAT DETERMINES TO SOME DEGREE HOW MANY TREES WE HAVE TO PLANT WHICH DETERMINES HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO COST. AND THAT'S WHY I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER THAT'S GOOD OR NOT GOOD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO IF WE CAN THINK THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT AS WE THINK ABOUT WHAT THE PROGRAM MIGHT LOOK LIKE, I THINK KNOWING WHAT OUR OUTCOME WOULD WANT TO BE IN TERMS OF TREES PER MILE OR HOWEVER YOU WOULD RECOMMEND WE THAT WE LOOK AT THAT SO THAT YOU KNOW 20 YEARS FROM NOW IF WE DECIDE TO DO ANOTHER LIGHT HOUR BY THEN WHO KNOWS IT'S AND I BOUGHT RUNNING DOWN THE STREET PICKING UP OUR TREES RIGHT WE DON'T KNOW BUT IF WE DO THAT 20 YEARS FROM NOW WE WILL WANT TO KNOW DID WE DO BETTER OR DID WE NOT DO BETTER AS IT RELATES TO THAT? THAT'S WHY I'M CURIOUS. OKAY. YOU MENTIONED YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT YOU HAD DATA ON OUR PUBLIC WORKS REQUESTS FOR ORDERS LIKE DID THAT ALSO INCLUDE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH COMPLAINTS ABOUT THEIR NEIGHBORS, FOR EXAMPLE? I'M CURIOUS IF THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THAT DATA. IT WAS NOT I SAID SHE SAID OKAY. >> SO IT'S AN INTERESTING I THINK THERE'S AN INTERESTING PIECE OF DATA THAT WE ALREADY HAVE THAT SAYS HOW MANY TIMES DO OUR CUSTOMER TO OUR RESIDENTS CALL ABOUT THEIR NEIGHBORS TREES AND THE PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS TREES BECAUSE LOTS OF TIMES PEOPLE WILL CALL THAT THEIR OWN TREES. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE GET LOTS OF CALLS ABOUT THAT AND I WOULD BE CURIOUS TO SEE IF THOSE LINE UP OR IF THAT'S AN ADDED AMOUNT OF DATA THAT WE CAN COULD LOOK INTO IN TERMS OF WHAT THE THE THING IS OKAY . SO THAT'S ALL I HAD IN TERMS OF QUESTIONS. I APPRECIATE IT. I'M I WOULD AGREE THAT I THINK LOOKING AT TWO AND THREE IS REALLY AS A AS A PROGRAM TOGETHER IS REALLY INTRIGUING TO ME. I'M I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO GET FREE TREES FOR PEOPLE. I KNOW THAT THAT MIGHT MEAN THAT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY THE BEST POSSIBLE TREES BUT MAYBE I'M WRONG ABOUT THAT BUT IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S A THE POTENTIAL FOR FOR US TO WORK WITH THREE RIVERS AND WORK WITH MINDY OR DNR AND OTHER PLACES LIKE THAT TO THINK ABOUT TREES. IN FACT I HAVE A LITTLE DUGUID GROWING RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I GOT IT LAST YEAR AT THE THREE RIVERS YOU KNOW, STATE OF THE PARKS KIND OF SITUATION. SO I KNOW THEY HAVE THEM IN ALL AND I JUST WOULD BE CURIOUS TO SEE HOW WE COULD FIT THAT IN TO THAT ESPECIALLY IF IT MEANS BECAUSE WE HAVE FREE TREES OUR EQUITY PROGRAM CAN BE ACCELERATED, RIGHT? BECAUSE FREE TREES ARE GREAT. AND THEN I AGREE COMPLETELY WITH I WAS GOING TO SAY SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT COUNCILMEMBER LOWMAN SAID WHICH IS PUT PUT A TREE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM ON THE BOOKS THE SAME WAY WE HAVE OUR P P I THINK THAT THAT MAKES A TON OF SENSE. THE ONLY LAST QUESTION I HAVE AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE IS CAN YOU ACTUALLY USE ANY OF THE THE THE TECHNOLOGY THAT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHERE ON A BOULEVARD IS THE RIGHT PLACE TO PLANT A TREE VERSUS NOT VERSUS HAVING TO WHAT WE DO NOW WHICH IS DIG IT UP OR HAVE THE CENTER POINT OUT AND PUT A BUNCH OF SHADY FLAGS IN THE YOU KNOW I'M SAYING LIKE WE LET'S DO BETTER THAN THAT. CAN WE USE ANY OF OUR TECHNOLOGY TO DO THAT? >> SO COUNCILMEMBER ADDISON, THERE IS TECHNOLOGY AVAILABLE FOR THAT. I MEAN CERTAINLY WE IT WASN'T WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT BUT CERTAINLY WITH THE DATA THAT WE HAVE AND THE LOCATION DATA YOU KNOW ANOTHER PHASE COULD BE LOOKING AT A SPECIFIC PLANTING PLAN BY OVERLAYING SOME OF THE UTILITY DATA THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE AS FAR AS THE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES AND WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED. SO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS ARE CERTAINLY ALL POSSIBLE TO PINPOINT EXACT LOCATIONS. OKAY. BECAUSE I THINK THE EASIER WE MAKE IT FOR RESIDENTS TO BE LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT, HERE'S YOUR SAPLING GO PUT IT IN THIS PART OF YOUR YARD. PEOPLE WILL DO IT RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT. SO THE WAY TO MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR RESIDENTS TO PARTICIPATE BY NOT FORCING THEM TO WAIT FOR CENTERPOINT TO SHOW UP AND THEN EXCEL TO SHOW UP AND THEN THE UTILITIES TO SHOW UP AND PUT ALL THE LITTLE EYES AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT GIVE THEM AN EASY WAY TO GET THEIR TREE IN THE IN THE YARD. SO I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE BUT I THINK THIS IS GREAT AND I'M SUPER EXCITED TO SEE US WITH YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW 48,000 TREES AT SOME POINT I'D BE AMAZING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER TOWNS MEMBER RIVAS AND COUNCILMEMBER CARTER COUNCIL MEMBER RIVAS I JUST WANT A RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT TREES TO PLANT. >> THEY JUST CUT THREE OF THEM THREE HUGE ONES SAID THEY WERE AND ONE OF THEM WAS DEAD AND THE OTHER TWO WERE TOO CLOSE TO THE ROAD AND SOMETIMES WILL BLOCK THE PEOPLE TURNING PULLING UP TO 98 SO I CUT THEM OFF BUT WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND FOR ME TO PLANT THERE? I KNOW THAT EXCEL HAS PLANS TO REMOVE MY WALNUT TREE OUT OF THERE BECAUSE IT GOES INTO THE LINES. SO WHAT WOULD YOU RECOMMEND TO PLANT INSTEAD? I MEAN YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING TO THAT RIGHT? COUNCILMEMBER MAYBE WE COULD TAKE THAT CONVERSATION OFFLINE BECAUSE I WOULD APPRECIATE THE ANSWER BUT I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD TAKE THAT CONVERSATION OFF. WELL, I WANT TO HEAR DIFFERENCE HERE. I'M LOOKING AT THE CLOCK RIGHT NOW ACTUALLY. HAVE YOU HAVE YOU IF YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION YOU CAN JUST EMAIL IT TO ME OR SOMETHING. BUT YEAH, IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL NOT JUST FOR ME BUT FOR PEOPLE LISTENING THAT HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM. SO I WOULD COUNCILMEMBER CARTER AND THEN COUNCILMEMBER NELSON. >> COUNCILMEMBER CARTER THANK YOU MAYOR. I WILL BE BRIEF SO I AM IN FAVOR OF OPTION FOR THE COMBINES TWO AND THREE I THINK ALIGNING WHAT WE HAVE IN CODE WITH LIKE ACTUALLY WHAT WE DO SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT PLAN AND I THINK AS PART OF THAT SIMILAR TO WHAT COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO WAS SAYING IF WE CAN POINT RESIDENTS TO DIFFERENT RESOURCES TO HELP THEM AS THEY MAKE DECISIONS AROUND THEIR TREE PLANTING, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S LIKE THREE RIVERS BUT WE HAVE OUR OWN CITY TREE PURCHASING PROGRAM WHERE RESIDENTS CAN PURCHASE TREES AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A LIST ONLINE COUNCILMEMBER REAVIS OF LIKE EIGHT DIFFERENT SPECIES $50 A TREE. SO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE LISTENING TO LOOK AT THAT PROGRAM AND THEN I KNOW SOME PARTS OF OUR COMMUNITY OBVIOUSLY ARE LIKE LUSH WITH TREES. BUT LOOKING AT THE MAPS IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THERE ARE PARTS THAT NEED SIGNIFICANT HELP AND SO THAT'S WHY I'M IN FAVOR OF THE TARGETED EQUITY PROGRAM AND THEN YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY SIMILAR TO OTHER CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED. COST IS A FACTOR AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, STARTING SMALL AND THEN DOING SOME MODELING OF WHAT THAT CAN LOOK LIKE INTO FUTURE YEARS IF WE KIND OF SEE GROWTH STEADILY IN LIKE HOW MANY TREES DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT'S OUR GOAL LIKE COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO SAID. SO JUST HAVING KIND OF A MORE ROBUST PLAN IN PLACE BUT I AM IN FAVOR OF IT. THANK. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER COUNCILMEMBER NELSON. YEAH THANKS. I'LL TRY TO BE QUICK HERE MAYOR SO THERE WAS A SLIDE THAT YOU HAD ABOUT TREE RESILIENCE AND THREATS TO THEM AND MAYBE I COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTOOD IT BUT IT SCARED ME BECAUSE APPARENTLY EMERALD ASH FOUR ISN'T THAT BIG OF A DEAL AND THERE'S LIKE ALL THESE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO LIKE KILL THOUSANDS OF TREES ASIAN HORN WING BEETLES AND SPONGY MOSS LIKE I WAS SCREWED LIKE LIKE CAN YOU EXPLAIN THIS TO ME BECAUSE THIS FREAKED ME OUT HONESTLY THAT WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS IN THE PACKET IT SCARED ME SO IT CAN EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT I'M SEEING HERE ARE THESE THREATS ALL VIABLE AND WILL IN TURN ARE AND ARE WE GOING TO HAVE MASSIVE TREE LOSSES HERE CONTINENTAL MOMENT I COULD CERTAINLY WE JUST WANT TO MAKE YOU MAKE YOUR ALL AWARE OF POTENTIAL THREATS ALTHOUGH I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE ASIAN LONGHORNED BEETLE FOR EXAMPLE JUST IT'S ALMOST ALL THE MAPLES. HOWEVER, I WILL ALSO TELL YOU THAT IT HAS BEEN ERADICATED IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY AND IT'S PROBABLY BEEN AROUND FOR ALMOST 15 YEARS. SO IT'S JUST A WAY TO BE PREPARED WHEN IT COMES TO TREE SELECTION. BUT WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF MAPLES THAT YOU HAD WHICH WOULD BE THE 7233 AND JUST KNOW IT COULD BE A THREAT BUT AGAIN KNOWING THAT WE WANT TO PLAN ACCORDINGLY SPOTTED LANTERNFLY IS NOT HERE YET SPONGY MOTH THERE WAS AN OLD NAME FOR IT IN MINNESOTA IT WAS CALLED GYPSY MOTH AT ONE TIME IT'S BEEN RENAMED IT'S BEEN AROUND FOR 30 YEARS SO AGAIN DOESN'T TYPICALLY ATTACK YOU KNOW IT DOES ATTACK, YOU KNOW, STREET TREES AND IT HAS BEEN ERADICATED IN SOME AREAS OF THE METRO AREA. SO THESE ARE THINGS ALL TO BE AWARE OF. BUT I WOULDN'T I WOULDN'T BATTLE YOU KNOW, BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES OR ANYTHING QUITE YET ON THESE. SO THIS IS FOR AWARENESS ON CONTINUING DIVERSIFICATION OF YOUR URBAN FOREST THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE LIKE I SAID THIS THIS SCARED ME. I WAS LIKE OH NO, I MEAN ASHEBORO IS BAD AND NOW WE GOT ALL THESE OTHER THINGS. SO MY OTHER QUESTION IS I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WE TALKED ABOUT THE THE RIGHT AWAY TREES OR SIMILAR INFORMATION ABOUT OTHER LOCATIONS. CAN YOU TELL ME THE PROS AND CONS OF THE RIGHT AWAY VERSUS OTHER PLACES? AND ONE OF THE PARTICULAR AREAS I'M LOOKING AT IS WITHIN CITY CONTROLLED PROPERTY AROUND PARKS. WE HAVE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT SPEND CANDIDLY A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO PROVIDE SHADE AROUND YOUTH SPORTING LOCATIONS OR ADULT SPORTING LOCATIONS AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A PARENT WHY DON'T WE JUST PLANT A BUNCH OF TREES TO PROVIDE SHADE AND PROVIDE A BENEFIT ON BOTH OF THESE? AND I'VE BEEN TO YOU KNOW, MY MY KIDS ARE A LITTLE BIT OLDER NOW BUT WHENHEY WERE YOUNGER I'VE BEEN TO A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ATHLETIC COMPLEXES. THEY HAD, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE SIDE LINES OR WHATEVER ARE SHADED WITH TREES AND ARE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES SO AND SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS OF BOULEVARD VERSUS OTHER THINGS? AND AND PART OF MY CONCERN WITH THE BOULEVARD ROAD IS JUST THE LONG TERM MAINTENANCE AS WELL AS THE OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL THINGS THAT THEY GET YOU KNOW IMPACTED BY SALT AND PLOWING AND OTHER THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO I CAN I CAN TAKE A REAL QUICK RESPONSE HERE. WE WE DID LOOK AT TREES ON PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PROPERTY ON PUBLIC PROPERTY CITY OWNED PARKS IN ADDITION TO RIGHT AWAY WERE BOTH ANALYZED AND LOOKED AT TREE PLANTING OPPORTUNITIES. THE A LARGE PORTION OF THE OPPORTUNITIES IN PARKS GENERALLY IS USED UP AS OUR PROGRAM HAS BEEN VERY AGGRESSIVELY PLANTING TREES IN PARKS THERE ARE STILL SOME MORE OPPORTUNITIES THIS CONVERSATION WAS SEEKING AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO PURSUE THOSE AS WE DO TODAY. THE CONVERSATION AROUND RIGHT AWAY TREES WAS BROUGHT TO YOU BECAUSE IT IS A BIG POLICY SHIFT AND THE THE CITY HAS HAD A SPECIFIC PROGRAM THAT PROHIBITS TREES IN THE BOULEVARD. THERE IS ALSO REASONS FOR THAT. WE TALKED WITH OUR COLLEAGUES IN ENGINEERING. THERE'S CONFLICTS WITH THE UTILITIES TREE ROOTS GROW INTO PRIVATE PROPERTY AND HAVE SEWER CONFLICTS AND CAUSE MAINTENANCE. SO THERE'S THERE'S CONS AS WELL. THERE'S THE MAINTENANCE COSTS LONG TERM OF A RIGHT OF WAY TREE PROGRAM STAFF BROUGHT THIS TO COUNCIL FOR DIRECTION IF THERE'S INTEREST PURSUING IT'S A SWITCH IN THAT DIRECTION AND I'M HEARING THERE THERE IS TO EXPLORE THAT FURTHER AND BRING THAT BACK WITH OUR WITH OUR DRAFT PLAN WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE LONG TERM GOALS METRICS HOW WE CAN BALANCE COSTS LONG TERM WITH THE COMBINATION OF ALLOWING PERMITS FOR RIGHT AWAY PLANTING AND POTENTIALLY A CITY INITIATED PROGRAM IN THOSE PLACES LOOKING MORE AT SOCIOECONOMIC FACTORS AND ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS TO PROVIDE COMFORTABLE PLACES AND SPACES FOR PEOPLE. THANK YOU AND I APPRECIATE THAT AS WE LOOK THROUGH IT LIKE I THINK THE PROS ARE THERE YOU'RE LAYING THAT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE POTENTIAL CONSEQUENCES LIKE YOU SAID, YOU PUT A TREE THERE. THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE SEWER LINES ARE A TREE ACROSS THROUGH THAT. I HAD THAT AT MY FIRST HOUSE. IT'S NOT AN INEXPENSIVE FIX TO DIG UP YOUR ENTIRE FRONT YARD BECAUSE A TREE ROOT DUG THROUGH AN OLD SEWER LINE. WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT MORE SIDEWALKS IN YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE HAVE CONFLICTS WITH THOSE SIDEWALKS AND OTHER TRAILS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT IN, YOU KNOW, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST THE OVERALL MAINTENANCE FOR THE HOMEOWNER AND THE CITY . I HAD HALF OF MY TREE FALL INTO THE STREET. OUR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT OR PLOW THEY'RE AMAZING THE ABILITY THAT THEY CAME AND JUST PUSHED A TREE OVER TO THE SIDEWALK AND THEN LIKE A FEW HOURS LATER OUR TEAM SHOWED UP AND CUT THAT TREE UP AND IT WASN'T BECAUSE I'M A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT THEY JUST THEY KNEW ABOUT IT BECAUSE OF THE PLOW TRUCK AND TOOK CARE OF IT. SO BUT THERE ARE THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT ISSUES WITH REGARDS TO PUTTING A BUNCH OF TREES IN THE RIGHT AWAY. THERE ARE HUGE BENEFITS OF IT AS WELL. AND SO I THINK MY LAST QUESTION IS ARE THERE OTHER THINGS OUTSIDE OF JUST TREES THAT THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF OTHER PLANTINGS OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE WITHIN THOSE AREAS THAT MIGHT BE AS EFFECTIVE TO REDUCING THE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT AND PROTECTING OUR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT? AND IT IS THAT PART OF WHAT WE MIGHT LOOK AT AS WELL. MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER NELSON STREETSCAPE IS WE DO HAVE A STREETSCAPES PROGRAM SOMETHING THAT'S VERY MAINTENANCE INTENSIVE, INEXPENSIVE AND IT'S FOCUSED IN SOME SPECIFIC AREAS OF THE CITY AND WE CAN BRING A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCUSSION BACK ON THAT AS WE KIND OF COLLECTIVELY TALK ABOUT THESE MITIGATION APPROACHES. >> COUNCIL I'M GOING TO MOVE US FORWARD BECAUSE WE ARE IN QUESTION ONE OF THREE. LET'S GO TO WESTERN TWO WAY IF WE COULD PLEASE COUNCIL I'LL COMBINE OUR NEXT TWO QUESTIONS AND THEY REALLY FOCUS ON THE ROLE OF THE CITY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY THERE I BROKE IT INTO TWO PARTS HOMEOWNER PROPERTY AND THEN HOW WE AS A CITY LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO PROTECT AND GROW OUR URBAN FOREST WITH DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOP MEANT FIRST OF ALL TO CITY ON ON PRIVATE PROPERTY HOMEOWNERS AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF CALLS THAT THE CITY GETS, THE CODE IS VAGUE ABOUT THE CITY'S ROLE. IT ALLOWS US TO ENTER PROPERTY TO DO INSPECTIONS TO REMOVE TREES WHICH ABOUT UP UNTIL ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO WE DID ON A CALL IN COMPLAINT BASIS. IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT EQUITABLY WHICH IS WHY WE STOPPED DOING THAT AND ALLOWED THIS PLAN TO TAKE PLACE. STAFF RECOMMENDATION HERE IS IN SHORT THAT WE NO LONGER WE CONTINUE THE PRACTICE OF NOT ENTERING PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR TREE INSPECTIONS FOR TREE REMOVALS AND CLARIFY CODE MAKE CODE MORE CLEAR IN THAT WAY. BUT LIKE OTHER PEER CITIES WE PROVIDE RESOURCES ONLINE OF CONTRACTORS TO CALL AND SOLUTIONS FOR TREE QUESTIONS AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE IN CONCURRENCE WITH KIND OF CONTINUING THAT PRACTICE AS STAFF AND MOVING FORWARD LATER WITH CODE ALIGNMENT IN THAT REGARD I'LL NOTE TO THE CITY DOES HAVE A CONTRACT THAT WE WORK WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS ON TREE REMOVAL AND THAT IS STILL IN PLACE TO CONTINUE AS A RESOURCE FOR HOMEOWNERS TREE PROTECTING AND PLANTING WITH REDEVELOPMENT IS ANOTHER DISCUSSION WE WANTED TO GO INTO TODAY BUT WANTED TO OFFER THE COUNCIL AN OPPORTUNITY TO DIRECT STAFF IF THERE ARE SPECIFIC ISSUES OR QUESTIONS WE SHOULD PURSUE WITH THIS PLAN AROUND DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT AND TREE PROTECTION. IF THERE'S THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP IN PAST DISCUSSION THAT YOU'D LIKE TO CALL TO OUR ATTENTION, I DO HAVE NICK JOHNSON ONLINE FOR US QUICKLY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BUT IT'S JUST TO KIND OF ASK IS THERE SOMETHING WE SHOULD LOOK AT OPERATIONALLY OR IN CODE THERE? >> FIRST I WANT TO DOUBLE BACK AND SAY YES TO TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. I THINK ANY POLICY CHANGES THAT MAKE IT MORE EQUITABLE THAT MAKE IT SAFER FOR OUR CITY EMPLOYEES AND THEN JUST MAKE IT MORE MORE CONSISTENT FROM SITUATION TO SITUATION I THINK IS BETTER FOR EVERYBODY AND SO I'M CERTAINLY IN FAVOR OF THAT IN TERMS OF THE TREE PROTECTION AND PLANTING WITH DEVELOPMENT, I GUESS WE'VE ALL HEARD DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES AND DIFFERENT THINGS AND PEOPLE COMPLAINTS BUT FRANKLY I DON'T KNOW I'VE EVER SEEN IN FRONT OF ME EXACTLY WHAT OUR CURRENT PRESERVATION AND PLANTING STANDARDS ARE AND HOW HOW IT ALL WORKS AND WHETHER IT'S YOU KNOW, PRESERVATION PLANTING STANDARDS OR I'M ASSUMING PLANTING STANDARDS MEANS REPLACEMENT IN THE IN THE EVENT OF KNOW CLEARING TO DEVELOP AND THAT KIND OF THING THAT MIGHT BE THE PLACE TO START THIS CONVERSATION RATHER THAN JUST TRYING TO GUESS OUR WAY THROUGH EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE JUST TO GET A BASELINE AND SEE WHERE WE COULD BE. >> COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO YEAH. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. >> YES. SO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE RESIT R-1 VERSUS R-1 ARE OUR ONE VERSUS OUR TWO STANDARDS AND EVERYTHING ON THE WEST SIDE THIS WAS A BIG PART OF THAT DISCUSSION AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I ASKED WAS ARE IS OUR IS OUR ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT STRONG ENOUGH AND CAN WE REVISE IT? SO THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO DOVETAIL THOSE THINGS TOGETHER. I THINK MY PERSONAL OPINION IS I THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S A ONE FOR ONE IF YOU IF YOU TAKE DOWN A PLANT ONE OF A CERTAIN SIZE YOU HAVE TO REPLACE IT KIND OF THING. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US MAKE THAT MORE INJURIOUS IF YOU WILL OR MORE MORE PUNITIVE. MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO SAY IT. MAYBE THEY HAVE TO BIAS THREE TREES ONE OF WHICH GOES THERE BUT TWO MORE HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE THAT WE'RE PLANNING IT OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. SO I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO SEE US DO THAT IN A IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE COMMENTS THAT I'VE MADE BEFORE ABOUT THE ARE ONE STANDARDS AND AND HOW WE HOW WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PRESERVING TREE CANOPY AS WE DO DEVELOPMENT SO HOPEFULLY NICK REMEMBERS THOSE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AT THAT TIME AND WE WHEN WE WERE DOING OUR OUR ONE WORK AND WE CAN MAYBE BRING THAT BACK TOGETHER AS A STUDY ITEM. >> THANKS. AGREED. AND I WAS THINKING BEYOND THAT CONVERSATION I WAS THINKING MORE OF A A TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT PERHAPS ON PENN AVENUE THAT WHERE A NUMBER OF TREES DISAPPEARED AND IT SAT EMPTY NOW FOR THREE I WE'RE GOING ON 3 OR 4 YEARS AND BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REQUIRED TO PUT BACK IN I JUST DON'T KNOW AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE WELL INTO YOUR POINT WHEN OR WHEN I MEAN THAT'S THE OTHER POINT YEAH BECAUSE A YOU KNOW A STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS COULD EXPIRE ON YOU LETTING IT BE BOUGHT LAND FOR A WHILE. EXACTLY YEAH I UNDERSTOOD COUNCILMEMBER MOMENT JUST BRIEFLY SO JUST FOR BOTH THESE TWO QUESTIONS HERE THE MAYOR ANSWERED IT THE WAY I WANT TO BUT I EXPAND THAT A LITTLE BIT AND I THINK GOT SOMEBODY ELSE ON OR KIND OF YOU KNOW, KIND OF GOING BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE KIND OF PMP STYLE WHERE WE LOOK ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY AT ALL OF THESE THINGS TO REALLY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, PROGRESS ALL OF THESE THESE ITEMS THIS IS REALLY SPEAKING TOWARDS THAT BECAUSE THERE'S SOME REAL ADVANTAGES FOR THE CITY THAT ARE A LOT LIKE ROADS AND OTHER THINGS THAT WE DO. SO I JUST THINK AS WE LOOK AT EACH OF THESE QUESTIONS WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT IS THERE A MORE CONFERENCE A WAY AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILMEMBER CARTER WE GOT TO GET STARTED SOMEWHERE THAT'S A GREAT PLACE TO START. YOU KNOW WHERE SHE'S SHE'S MENTIONED TO JUST GET THE BALL ROLLING AND I KNOW WE'RE KIND OF THINKING KIND OF BIGGER. I'D LOVE TO SEE A MUCH BIGGER ,MORE COMPREHENSIVE, MORE KIND OF THING BUT WE GOT TO GET START SOMEWHERE. COUNCILMEMBER NELSON YEAH. THANK YOU I'M TO GO BACK TO TO A JUST QUICK BECAUSE I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT I HAD HERE WAS WITH REGARDS MORE TO DEAD TREES NOT ADDING ADDITIONAL TREES AND I KNOW THAT THAT HAD BEEN THE CONVERSATION WE HAD FOR A WHILE AND THERE'S OFTENTIMES CONFLICTS BETWEEN NEIGHBORS BECAUSE A DEAD TREE IS THREATENING TO FALL ON A NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY AND AM I CORRECT IN UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S STILL OUR POLICY THAT THAT'S JUST SORT OF BETWEEN THEM AND CORRECT. OKAY. AND THAT I WILL CHANNEL MY COUNCILMAN FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER JACK BALOGA AND JUST SAY THAT THERE IS SOMETHING I CONTINUED TO BE INTERESTED IN LOOKING AT BECAUSE IT IS A CONFLICT THAT I HEAR FROM CONSTITUENTS ON A REGULAR BASIS AND UNFORTUNATELY A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE MISTAKENLY BELIEVE THAT THEIR INSURANCE WILL COVER THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S A NO. ONE PROBLEM AND THAT YOU IGNORED IT. I TRY TO ARGUE AND RATIONALIZE WITH AN INSURANCE COMPANY SO AND THEN ON TO BE I THINK IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE THAT WE LOOK INTO THIS. I JUST LIKE TO AVOID GETTING SUED LIKE YOU DONATED SO SO WOULD WE YES I AGREE I THANK THOUGHTS COUNCIL YOU HAVE ENOUGH TO GO ON MAYOR COUNCIL I HEARD CONCURRENCE IN THE CHANGE ON PRIVATE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY AND I'M SURE OUR COLLEAGUES IN PLANNING HAVE MORE TO OFFER TO THE DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOP CONVERSATION AND WE'LL BRING THAT BACK. >> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. SO WE HAD ONE MORE SIDE OF NEXT STEPS JUST VERY QUICKLY WHERE WE'RE HEADED NEXT. >> WE ARE TAKING THIS INFORMATION TO REFINE AND COMPLETE A DRAFT WHICH WILL HAVE A FULL REVIEW THAT INCORPORATES WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT TONIGHT SHOOTING FOR THE END OF APRIL AFTER THAT FINAL REVIEW WILL FINALIZE THE PLAN AND BRING THAT BACK FOR ADOPTION. >> WELL, SUSTAINABILITY GOOD PLANNING HAVE ANY REVIEWER INPUT ON THIS? WE ARE PLANNING A MEETING WITH THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION AND COORDINATING THAT RIGHT NOW AND WE'VE BEEN COORDINATING THE REVIEW WITH NICK JOHNSON AND WILL ASK AND SEE WHAT HIS HIS WISHES ARE FOR THAT COMMISSION AGAIN. MR. MAYOR, MAY I ASK ONE MORE QUICK THING? HAVE YOU GUYS HAVE HAVE YOU DONE ANY REQUEST TO THE I DO A LOT OF PRODUCT WORK, RIGHT? SOMETIMES ONE OF THE BIGGEST EASIEST QUESTIONS IS ARE YOU WILLING TO PAY FOR THAT AND HOW MUCH WOULD YOU PAY? HAVE WE ASKED ANY OF OUR RESIDENTS IF THEY'D BE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE IN SOME WAY IN A PROGRAM THAT ACTUALLY COMES OUT OF THEIR POCKET BECAUSE I'D BE VERY INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHAT THEY'D BE WILLING TO PAY. CAN WE ASK THAT QUESTION WHEN WE GET SOMETHING UP ON LET'S TALK OR SOMETHING AND TRY TO GET SOME MEANINGFUL DATA ON THAT? OKAY. I APPRECIATE IT. THANKS. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU MUCH. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR BEING WITH US TONIGHT. AND GENTLEMEN, I'M SORRY WE DIDN'T GET TO YOU BUT I'M SURE WE'LL HEAR FROM YOU AGAIN VERY SOON. YEAH. ONE THING TO CLARIFY IF I MAY. NICE TO SEE YOU ALL TONIGHT AND I'LL BE VERY BRIEF EARLY ON. COUNCILMAN DALLESSANDRO ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH AND PRIVATE PROPERTY. I ANSWERED THAT BY SAYING NO, WE DIDN'T LOOK AT WHAT ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH GETS FOR CALLS BUT WE DID LOOK AT OUR OWN AND WE GET PLENTY OF THOSE TOO. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE ONE SLIDE THAT HAS THE RIGHT OF WAY INQUIRY AS WE GET THE PRIVATE INQUIRIES WE GET AND THEN THE PARK TREE INQUIRIES WE GET THOSE WOULD ALL BE LUMPED INTO THE THE PRIVATE INQUIRIES THAT WE GET OR RIGHT AWAY IF IT'S DEEMED TO BE A HAZARD OR RESIDENT HAS A QUESTION AND WE CAN TEASE OUT A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION AND SEND THAT FORWARD WITH THE ACTUAL NUMBERS OF CALLS THAT WE GET. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. THANK YOU MUCH, COUNSEL. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON ITEM 2.3 CITY MANAGER PERFORMANCE EVALUATION AND THIS IS A CLOSED ITEM SO I'M GOING TO ASK EVERYBODY IN THE CHAMBERS TO GO HOME AND HAVE A GOOD EVENING AND WE'RE GOING TO GET SET UP COUNSEL, AS WE GO INTO THIS CLOSED MEETING THERE ARE AS YOU KNOW AND YOU'VE HEARD ME SAY BEFORE, THERE'S A HANDFUL OF REASONS WHY WE'RE ABLE TO CLOSE A PUBLIC MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND EVALUATION EMPLOYEE EVALUATIONS IS ONE OF THOSE REASONS. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO PRIVATE CLOSED DISCUSSION ON ALL OF THIS AND WE WILL WE WILL HAVE A HAVE A CONVERSATION WE WILL THEN COME BACK INTO OPEN SESSION AND WE WILL ULTIMATELY REPORT BACK OUT ON THIS OUR DISCUSSION. I WILL DO THAT AND OUR NEXT POSSIBLE MEETING IS THAT HOW IT IS STATED IN THIS MATTER? >> SHINE YOUR MEMBERS. YES. THE LAW REQUIRES THAT THERE BE A REPORT OUT AT THE NEXT OPEN MEETING WHICH IS TOMORROW IN THE EVENT YOU ALL FINISHED TONIGHT. IF YOU DON'T FINISH TONIGHT THEN THERE IS A SPECIFIC PLAN THAT HAS TO GO INTO PLACE. BUT I THINK THE WORKING ASSUMPTION IS YOU ALL WILL WRAP UP TONIGHT AND THEN THERE'LL BE A REPORT OUT TOMORROW AT THE MASS CONCURRENT MEETING AND THEN A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, MAYOR, ACTUALLY THE THE CLOSED SESSION IS GOING TO OCCUR IN THE DAKOTA CONFERENCE ROOM SO YOU ALL WILL GO TO THE DAKOTA FOR THE CLOSED SESSION AND THEN COME BACK HERE TO TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD COUNSEL THERE IS A RESOLUTION IN OUR PACKET DIRECTING THE CLOSURE OF A PUBLIC MEETING. >> I WOULD LOOK FOR A MOTION IN A SECOND SO MOVED MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER ROBERTSON SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER LOWMAN TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION DIRECTING THE CLOSURE OF A PUBLIC MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL. NO FURTHER COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON THIS ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. I OPPOSE MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO PRIVATE OR WE'RE GOING TO CALL CLOSED SESSION AND AS I SAID WE'LL COME BACK AND OPEN SESSION OF CLOSED THE MEETING LATER THANKS FOR YOUR IT IS 9O6 AND THE COUNCIL IS NOW BACK IN OPEN SESSION. WE HAVE COMPLETED OUR CLOSED SESSION AND I WILL REPORT OUT ON OUR CLOSED SESSION DISCUSSION TOMORROW NIGHT AT OUR MEETING COUNCIL WE HAVE COMPLETED OUR AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING. I WOULD LOOK FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER DALLESSANDRO SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER RIVAS TO ADJOURN THIS EVENING. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY SAYING I OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES SEVEN ZERO THANK YOU MUCH AGAIN