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It's to the K. ♪ Inside of ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> is >> Is >> turns me. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> it. ♪ >> I ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> strikes stone we stand for the year. place in around here. Everybody knows everybody. The few minutes. From conversation started. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> take cook not. Are you on the phone, Mr. Martinez. And Mrs. >> Yes. >> All right. Thank you so go ahead and get started. I now call to order meeting of encourage Assembly tonight, a September 23rd 2025. our regular meeting. It's 05:00:04PM. Battle Creek. Would you please call the roll? Number? My >> Member McCartney here or tennis. Number Monday, President Benson, you're constantly here. I'm probably here. happy member silvers. Here members present. >> Number press for DIA. Student Representative better. Chair can set core. >> Thank U I would like to invite to scouts from. The scout troop 2.29 To come down. Please lead us in the pledge. Can pull that microphone down. See can talk into it. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands. One under God, indivisible, everybody and justice for all. >> Thank you trooper to 29. Next. We'll have the land acknowledgment fall thank you chair. >> A land acknowledgment is a formal statement recognizing the indigenous people of a place. It is a public gesture of appreciation for the past. And president present indigenous stewardship of the lands that we now occupy. It is an actionable statement that marks our collective movement towards the colonization and equity. The Anchorage Assembly would like to acknowledge that we gather today on the traditional lands of the deny NASA baskin's for thousands of years that 9 to have been and continue to be the stewards of this land. It is with great fondness and respect that we recognize the contributions. Innovations and contemporary perspectives of the Upper Cook Inlet to 9 a >> thank you as bold. next we have minutes from previous meetings. Minutes from item for a minutes from the regular meeting of September 9, 2025 is there a motion 2 second. probably second by Miss Monday. there any discussion about the minutes? Senior not like to ask for unanimous consent. Any objection to the motion? Motion approve. Seen hearing? No objection item has been adopted next we have the mayors report a >> Thank you, Mr. Chaired good evening, everyone. I appreciate the opportunity to give a few updates before getting into this evening's agenda. First, I want to wish our Jewish community a happy and healthy Rosh Hashanah. May the new year be filled with peace and blessings. Shana Tova. Over the last week I attended 2 great events that highlight economic strengths of the Anchorage. The visitor industry and Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson. I joined visiting courage to celebrate the last cruise ship into Anchorage for the season. It was a good summer and next year will be even better with 2 additional cruise ships coming to the Port of Alaska and many more visitors with larger ships coming in just yesterday. Also join leaders on Jay Bear for the groundbreaking of their new joint training Center. This will be a huge investment in the base which will expand its competitiveness for new missions and service members into our community. As our country faces economic headwinds. So does Anchorage. I am focused on insulating our community from those headwinds as much as we can. Part of that is making sure we are an attractive community for businesses and families and court to that is public safety on the agenda. Tonight, you'll see a contract for up to 12 million dollars over 5 years. This contract will modernize our police department with up-to-date technology and tools including body cameras, Tasers, drones, in-car video and other technology. By giving our officers better tools and training. We are enabling them to serve the public with greater efficiency effectiveness and transparency. And this contract will help significantly improve safety of our officers and the public. Less lethal tools can help reduce officer-involved shootings and drones provider officers with crucial situational awareness helping them make informed decisions that minimize risks during emergencies or help de-escalate high-risk situations. This summer, we saw how real-time drone footage helped officers safely resolve an incident involving an armed suspect. Jones help with efficient evidence. Collections, search and rescue efforts. Trafficking crowd monitoring, identifying and tracking suspects and more. It's easy to forget the sheer scale of challenger officers face every day. The municipality spans more than 1961 square miles. That's the size of the state of Delaware. Enforcing laws and ensuring public safety across such a large and diverse landscape is an incredibly difficult and demanding task providing our officers with modern in can interconnected. Technology is a necessity for them to effectively protect and serve our community. We understand that with new technology comes new responsibilities. And as Alaskans, we deeply value our freedoms and our right to privacy. And we know some residents and perhaps some members have concerns about potential impacts we hear and we acknowledge those concerns. administration is dedicated to ensuring establish clear and robust policies. Transparent process isn't best practices for data, retention access and use. And I want to thank the Assembly for their collaboration in this area. This modernization of law enforcement tools and training is ultimately an investment in our community's well-being. That's all for now. Back to you, Mr. Chair, thank you all. Thank you. Madam >> So good evening, everybody. Now the chair's report. Welcome to our regular business meeting. A number of things talk about. I will save the agenda items for later on there on the agenda. But tonight I would note that But today actually was project homeless connect, which is an event organized by the increased coalition to end homelessness and supported by many service providers and investors from across the community. It's a one-day one-stop resource for connecting hundreds 100's of individuals experiencing homelessness or on the verge, vital resources, supplies and gear just in time for winter, as you can tell, falls here and it's starting to cool down outside. want to thank the coalition. The providers and the volunteers and everybody who was out to help as if you were in downtown today around you consider you saw the line went around the corner. These lines are just so big. These challenges. So also this week, last week, there was a nasty legislative briefing. Number of assembly members attended the school district's annual briefing to state legislators. The district shared some good news. The Bears repeating. The legislature insured despite politics too, find the funding to fully from the BSA increase, which is going to bring a lot of quality and stability to our schools this year. With that last minute, infusion of stable funding, the district was able to fill 20 new teaching positions, restore tutoring for kids struggling with reading and purchase critical instruction materials Dr. Jim Bryant Chair Bryant's the superintendent also counter the narrative in our community that our schools are failing and shared some excellent examples of recent successes. Kindergarten first grade students have double digit better see games for 2 years in a row. math proficiency scores for 8th graders gone up 5% from the state assessment. Ap test pass rate has soared across schools with Eagle River, seeing an improvement. 55% in 2021. To 89% last year. It's extraordinary suspensions are down 20%. However, Dr. Brian did share some concern that is only a temporary reprieve. The legislature doesn't do anything to counter rising costs of gas and inflation will be back in the home facing deep cuts the next couple of years. But I want to thank. Our leadership in the community and all the people who stood up to ensure that school district have the funding it needs and school districts across Alaska in order to deliver for our youth. Also the local lands on legislative services tomorrow the Assembly's Legislative Services office will be presenting at the Federation of Community Council's local lens. Serious. share about their work and how to get more involved in the work. It's a virtual meeting on zoom at 6 PM tomorrow and you can sign up for the Link Federation's website. Or through the new section on Muni DOT Org, Slash assembly. We have enough items on the agenda that I won't deliver this report anymore and all say thank you to everybody. We are. This is our regular business meeting here to do the work of the people. Police helped create a climate of respect in the chambers by refraining from personal attacks are speaking out of turn. We're shouting clapping or pacing. And happening is in order keep science in half by 11 inches or smaller. Please keep clear. Except when lined up to testify, please do not approach the But if you need to have something to somebody can hand it to the clerk up front. The rules aren't followed. I may interrupt speakers to call for compliance of compliance doesn't occur. paused the meeting. actual disruption occurs chair. Good morning. And if the disruption persist or happen skin, the person will be asked So without them. We'll go ahead and go down the Dice for committee and liaison reports. Start with you. Mister Myers. >> Thanks nothing to report. right. Thank you, Mccormick doesn't report. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mccormick Mr. Martinez. Nothing to report. Thank you. Miss Martinez his ball today. >> The Aiea USC committee otherwise known as the Alphabet Soup Committee have Infrastructure Utilities Enterprise oversight met last week. We heard update from the Port of Alaska and welcome Mr. Mike Abbott, as the interim acting port director. He is a two-time former municipal manager and has told us that he is going to put the pnp CT as it will be very exciting to see petroleum flowing through the petroleum and concrete terminal during his tenure. We were notified that that would likely be a fairly brief tenure as the search for a port director. Is underway and we several qualified applicants that excited to see move forward in that process. effect defender repair at the port is ongoing and there will be a change order on our agenda tonight. 2 do it additional work to repair corrosion where it was unexpected. Again, further evidence that our port is aging and port of Alaska Modernization Project really is a critical piece of ensuring our stability for years to come. Both literally and figuratively. The North Extension. Stabilization project is on track for completion this next month, which is great news and Terminal one construction prep continues with environmental reviews and also with some preplanning for tenant, logistics so that both port excuse me, both tote and Matson can continue their operations uninterrupted during construction. We also heard from encourage water and wastewater utility about some emergency projects that they have had to undertake. We're continuing to feel the effects of both the 2018 earthquake and the aging pipes that are a part of our city's infrastructure. So want to give public kudos encourage water and wastewater for that work that they're doing to mitigate some pretty significant pipe breaks all over out from Eagle River to the South side. We also heard a couple of updates on there on their bond rating, which is again, kudos to the utility for that and are looking forward to hearing more about the Waste Energy Project as it moves forward. Thank you. Checked. Skews one final thing. The October meeting of USC will actually be canceled. Our next meeting will be November. 20th at 11, 15 at City Hall. Thank you as Mr. Johnson. >> The report. Thank you, Mr. Johnson missed prom. >> Thank you. Yes, I just have one brief report from the Budget and Finance Committee. The committee met on Thursday, September 18th. in addition to our regular standing items, we heard detailed review of our of revenue report. We heard a brief explanation of how to read our act for or our audit regarding fund balance and had a brief discussion on one of the items on our agenda tonight on number 14, E and then our next meeting is also going to be canceled because of conflict conflicts and also because we are moving into our budget process with work sessions so we will not be meeting in October. I normally are meeting would be on October. 16th. And then lastly, I'll just mention again, I know these have been stated before there are 2 upcoming or 3 but budget work. Sessions coming up, 2 of them in October. One is on Friday, October 10 from 10:00AM until Italy. 04:00PM. get a 04:00PM. There is another one on Friday. The 24th also 10:00AM to 02:04PM, where the administration will providing an overview of the mayor's draft budget which will introduced next week. And then lastly, there is a 3rd work session shorter. It is from 10:00AM to noon on Friday, November 7th for proposed budget revisions and Assembly amendments. So those are items to put on your calendar for watching the budget instead of watching our budget and finance committee. And believe that's it. Thank you. >> Thank you, Northport, thank you. Mister Chair. Thank think you thank you, Mr. Graham, thank you, Mr. Chair tomorrow's meeting of the car, the Municipal Services and Ethics and Elections Committee has been canceled. >> I look forward to meeting again in OT Tobar on the municipal audit committee. I'm looking to get a meeting scheduled sometime in late October for the committee to begin diving into the 2024 act for that are comprehensive financial review. Big audit. In the meantime, there are a variety of sunset audits on today's agenda items. 10 f 6 to 10 F 11. He's on a tied to 2025 deaths. 77, which is going to be back before body on October, 7th. Lasses leads onto the Alaska Municipal League now I just wanted to encourage everyone to register to attend the 2025 annual local government conference in Anchorage. If you haven't already, it's from December 8th to the 12th and it's going to be in Mel's 75th anniversary. And I think it's going to be great to have a large contingents. Think it would be great to have a large contingent from both branches of government attend. Thank you. Thank you. Mister Mister Governor Party chair. Think correct, Mr. President. >> Thank you. Want to give an update from the September 17th. Committee meeting on Housing and homeless. There were primarily to agenda items. The first one was an update from the administration where they released a graphic which will be out soon publicly to sort of show the overall system, the safety net shelter in crisis, a system. They walked through some updates, including that the the hope team is looking at establishing a hub at 3rd Avenue navigation center. We're we're moving closely to getting to 24 7 for the for the mobile crisis team. The impact team which we've heard about from from Chief case is is being being formed and and also there's there's an expansion of the services at a SP in terms of its services. Also, we we heard about the the fact that now for the first time in my my my memory, we now have here around shelters. So for the first time we're not scrambling to try to pull put, put together emergency shelter. We now have 300 beds operated by the municipality with 100 plus to surge. We also have 325 beds that we're funding and 213 vets through our partners. So we're we're more prepared, I think, for winter than we have been a long, long time. second item was an update from the >> the >> Let's see pull up from the Anchorage Coalition to end homelessness. It was an update on last winter and the number that was served and some of the information in terms of where people came from and where they went and how they were served, that the information is on the website. So encouraged to go there and tend to check it out. And finally, the next meeting of the >> Public Health and Safety Committee will be on October first from 11 to 12:30PM, in room one. 55 hope you can join us. Mr. Johnson, I do have a report actually and give me another bite at the Apple. You. >> Yeah, thank you, Sophia. The Legislative Committee had its first meeting in a fall on September 17th. This is where The kickoff to work to develop the legislative program that will outline the municipality's priorities for the upcoming state legislative session, which we ultimately adopt by resolution later on this year for the mayor's office, we got a few high-level themes from their priorities. One, they are hoping for a shortened folks program. The prairies organized around funding for the Dawn young part of Alaska Department station project and also thematic Lee around safe, secure and affordable. The administration expects 7 drafts ready for the assembly to review by October. 15th. Also on the port of Alaska. We are continuing to look at opportunities to secure funding through fate, state and federal sources. So as to hopefully offset some of the impacts to to the poor tariffs. We got update from our a lobbyist, Mr. Chamberlain for. Things she sees as challenges and opportunities in the upcoming legislative session. Generally, there seems to be a a fairly well accepted. Fairly well, except that there will not be a lot of extra money in the state budget given the fiscal constraints that continue to deal with. However, she did highlight a couple of opportunities. One, there is the real transformation program from the federal government. This is 250 million dollars per year for 5 years to be allocated must be for new programs and has to be for rural communities. However, for the definition encourage qualifies. So it is something for us to continue to look at whether or not there are opportunities there. She also mentioned that gas pipeline, which we've seen from the federal government seems to be continue efforts there as well. The state level. And then finally we touched on so following, which was major topic concern last year. And we are sure that encourage is ready and then a better place than we have in the past. But there continue to be concerns about whether or not dot has the resources they need to challenge for state roads in Anchorage. Thank you. And to the youth member Ms Bowser will generally offer you an opportunity to make report on any kind of committee work or the work you might have done. >> Don't feel like you have to. But if you'd like to report anything, you have the floor. No report. Thank you. All right. Thank you. And now I also see a number of young people in the room. I am going to take the opportunity to invite anybody who's here for a civics class rather effort to come forward. Please and introduce yourself. Tell us what class you're for. On the spot. We can see you. Come on down. That's how you earn your credit for your class. Come on. I welcome. >> I'm Caitlin host and I'm here for government that you get high school. >> To get because always strong representation. >> My name is Otter and I'm doing this for citizenship in the community. Merit badge. >> My name is Earl and I'm also doing this for the citizenship in Community Merit Badge. >> Thank you. Know, there's a couple more folks. Obviously, it's not mandatory, but you are welcome. >> Come on. No pressure. >> My name is in D T. My name is read Conte. My name is Jasmine Young. What class are you from? We are from service at service High School. We are doing the summer program and we are prepping for our government class. Well, thank you for coming to see your government inaction. Thank >> So that finishes are reports we have parents request by. So Ted, what occurred here? This would occur. So I'll just say Mr. Worker has some mobility challenges. So if you shows a plane and asked the body's indulgence to bring it back up. Well, move on to our addendum to the agenda. I have a number of items. They're all supplemental. So 10 D 12, which is an information memorandum a numbered. Some remember number am 69 dash 2025. Cooperate purchase from outside. Enterprise. on through sourced fall contract. 1, 0, 1, 2, to 3. dash dance for the person, technology and equipment package for the municipality of Anchorage. also have. like to associate that. I am also time 14 K on the agenda. Then I also have. Actually that's just for that one. Some of information memorandum, a numbered. Somebody answers answers to some of questions. They also have numbered. Mayor supplemental 02:00AM 6. 56. 2025 memo from Municipal Trust Fund. Board chair. I also have. And a number I So seeing that item 10 D 14 K. A resolution, the municipality of Anchorage appropriate amount not to exceed 1 million, 900, $97,530 area wide Anchorage Police Department information technology system, Special Tax Levy Fund ones are 7 jurors or 0 fund balance to the area wide AP. It says some special tax Levy fund ones are 7 reserves are for use by APD to pay for technology, implementation and maintenance. And there is a substitute version Read the title. Now you have it shortly. A resolution of the municipality of Anchorage appropriate amount not to exceed 1, 9, 9, 100, $97,530. Very one. Anchorage Police Department information technology system, special tax on the fund. 7, 0, Zer 0 Fund Balance to the area wide AP. It says some special tax levy from 1, 0, $7, or 0 for use by APD to pay for technology, implementation and maintenance. I think that's everything. like to ask for a motion to incorporate the dentist printed and distributed in the late on the table some of second so motion to incorporate movement probably seconded by MS Farms. And the discussion. Seen here in a discussion like to ask unanimous consent, an objection. The motion. Seeing hearing no objection. The. Identity agenda has been incorporated, including the late on the table items. Actually got that out of order. The parents request was supposed to be after that. So next, we'll go ahead and move on to the consent agenda. The consent agenda items are number through 10 G and are typically routine. A non-controversial items such as Ben Awards. New business information reports and ordinances and resolutions for introduction. The items on the consent agenda may be approved. Introduced accepted by the assembly by a single vote on a motion to approve the consent agenda prior to a pool items may be pulled by assembly member for discussion separate vote on each of those items are the some of rules of procedure ordinances and some resolutions will have an opportunity public hearing at a future date. we will go ahead and start with you, Mr. President, I know that you're going to discuss having a conflict. going to get out and pulled for you. Do you have any other items know, just 10 D marker no items. They check you, Mr. thank you. Mister Chair, 10 D 13 and that's it for me. >> And the 13. All right. The source. >> No items. Thank you, Mr. No items. Hero. Thank 10 D 12. And then I do need to make a disclosure. Some asking on. >> 10 D 18. >> That was an addendum item. I currently employed by state legislator. And so I would like disclose that personal interest. >> So this is the contract for lighting services. >> And your job to Yulee is at all professional. You have any control authority over the lobbyists at the legislature. No. also I want to go in and find that you do not have a substantial enough personal financial interest to be excluded from participation. Anyone object to that. A different opinion. Ok? So just to clarify, I am not going to end 18, right and no other items. Thanks. the shots. Known as Mister Chair as well today. No items. Thank you, chair. Thank Martinez. No item shipped Thank you, Mr. Mccormick. No, I'm thank you, Mr. Myers. Notify them. Thanks all right. So on our list up hold items. We have item 10 D one Mr. President 10 12 probably 10 D 13 Mr. Raft. Any other All right. Then I'd like to go ahead and ask for a motion to approve the consent agenda. Minus the pulled items. Some of second a strong second Miami spot today. Mike, to ask unanimous consent, is there any objection to the motion to approve the consent agenda? seeing hearing no objection. The consent agenda has been adopted from members of the public here. Information any item on through 10 G is either past. We're introduced except items 10 D one. 10 12 10 D 13. Mr. Chair. I'd like to move to change the order of the day to take up item 10 D 12 after items, 14 K and I can speak to that. >> So there's emotions change or to take up 10 to 12 after 14 K moved problems or second second, second man has desperately. >> Yeah, this is our practice is to take up appropriation items before approving contracts. These items are related and 10 to 12 is the contract. >> there any objection to the motion? Seen here objection, order that has been change will take up item. All right. next and we would have item 10 D 12. I'm sorry. 10 D One. I'm sorry, Mister. President Dia. I just need to to declare a potential conflicts. Please. >> So the person that is proposed to be reappointed to the sport works at the organization that Iran. >> a couple of questions relating to his work. And has role at the humanities farm. Is he working on early childhood education work now? Is the forum working on early-childhood education work as a category. In some cases. Yes. So I think in that case, then I will find that there is a substantial amounts interest to to find a conflict. So is there left asking us to sides? From the moment, Sarah motion to proof Senate second motion to approve item 10 D by Miss Ball and a seconded by Mister Hollande. Any discussion? Seeing hearing none members may proceed to vote. >> And then our team For many years. >> On a vote of 11 to 0 and 6.96, dash 2025. Minutes past the body. And welcome, Mr. President back. Welcome back. All right. So then we have. Item 10, D 12. seen it on this post bond. Not 10 D 12. That one's been postponed or not. Postpone changed after. 14 case have 10 D 18. And the 13. 13 us some of memorandum AM 700 Dash 2025. Sole source purchase Closure Intelligence Inc provide additional analysts for investigations or prosecutions offer subscription, Mr. Very pull the Senate. >> Thank you. Move to approve. Motion to approve 10 D 13 by Mister Rivera. Seconded by MS. Yeah, thank you, Mister So this probably is going to fall in the kind category of this could have been an e-mail. But I just too crazy to send that email earlier. So too crazy, busy, should say so. I'm gonna go ahead >> And ask the chief to come on up. Can you just give us a quick overview of what this item is? I'm reading it. I just found a little bit of difficulty in understanding what the software is and what it isn't. And in particular those one sentence that concerned me talking about identifying key insights. So can you just like me about what the software is using AI how APD and prosecutors use the software? Thanks. >> Threw the chair member Vera also apologize week we're going to for directions on this one. And so it does. He lies artificial intelligence and just 2 remind the body. We had an artificial intelligence software that we test it out at the police from Freeport rating some time ago and that did not meet our needs. This is another software that we've been testing for approximately 4 months. It is held in the detective division. So our entire department doesn't have access this particular technology. That's what's designed for originally designed to look at cases like cold cases. Re have large volumes of data that has been passed down from detective to detective detective in a new detective comes in and have to comb through all the data. Listen to audio. Reviewing reports kind of start the case over again. So when we were testing at the primary way that we tested it is used jail call data me what's really at the jail system. One, you may take some phone. Let everybody know that the conversations are recorded. And or conditions of release an All-Star to various different parole conditions for previous charges that certain things can't be sad communicated. So detectives frequently law investigating cases. We'll take that jail call data. And it will and no listen to it and that not real time can fast forward. And so there are some cases where you have detective listening to over 1000 hours jail called data to try to find a word, a phrase and name threat. Things like that. And so when we tested the software, one of the things that we primarily used for was throwing in. Joe Cole data and then the the officers so imagine dragging and dropping a bunch of audio files into a program and then the detective can tape and I'm looking for member Rivera or, you know, any any words or phrases and the software we're going pull. That data. Clint. That your name or whatever that was used is is recognized. And then the officer can go directly to that file itself and listen to the audio. So the he does off, we're simply pointing in the direction of something so that the detective doesn't have to waste 1000 hours of his or time. All of the information that comes to detectives are simply pointing to point and information that already exist in the case, file whatever we've we've been put in the system. We have taken this particular software program and had the district's office review witness prosecutors review it, make sure that they're at don't see any problems with prosecuting cases. And we've had no concerns from either of the prosecutor or district attorney's office. I ran into DA today in the elevator and so she's really excited about software program. So. We spent the 4 months making sure we we kind of crossed our t's and dot our I's to make sure that nothing's gonna company future that's going jeopardize cases. Thank you for that response. Mrs. All right. Anyone further? Seen here in members may proceed to vote. And Myers. Martinez. On a vote of 12 to 0 700. >> tests and the youth member votes. Yes, yes. Senator Dash 2025 has passed the body. So if there's no objection, I'd like to ask indulgence the body that we take up the 11th. Before we take our dinner break, there are 3 items there. I'm not hearing any objections. Talk to the agenda. that has been changed. next up on the agenda is item 11, a witches as a share of 2025 dash, 2.70, resolution images, something proposing formula for allocating a portion municipal room tax dedicated to the promotion of tourism industry to a designated tourism promotion nonprofit. There's been a >> motive has been to the meeting of October 7th second. >> Motion to postpone his ball second probably speak to that was spotted. >> Yeah. Just asking for a bit more time for the administration and assembly sponsors and other parties to continue this discussion. >> So >> I'd like to ask unanimous consensus. Any objection, the motion to postpone this item to our next meeting. The meeting of October 7th. I am objections consider that one postpones to the October 7th. next, we have ITEM 11 B AM 6.56, dash 2025. >> Recommendation of the word that Counter LLC for investment Consulting and advisory services for the municipality. there's no motion pending this What's the I? And move to approve a second. Motion to approve a sprawling seconded by Mister Holland. speak to us right. know I will defer. So am I so thank Mr. Costa, thank you. Mr. Slipper I scratch my head. Sometimes. And thank you know, we. As a municipality us not to trust necessarily can do a better job. And I have looked closely at this item. I was concerned about the differential of the price. Between the Logan are and the selected better for the members. Can you detail the difference in price? >> I would like to possibly defer Note that prepared to your request. We're constrained on a lot of what we can talk about relative to procurement. I can offer few things. I would say that. >> But the judgment of the body as a whole. >> Over multiple meetings clearly took into account that there was a price differential and No member of that board. from that. Let's not selected higher. Then the firm that was selected, everybody rated the firm that was selected either equal or higher. So again, you and all understood that there was a price differential. I could offer that the price at is being offered is in is where the market is for that and then I would also offer as as a parable. I work for the University of Alaska Foundation. We over 10 years ago selected an investment adviser, the charges a much higher fee. So we pay for about this. We have about 500 odd million. We pay about a million dollars a year in advisory fees and over ten-year period we earned. 60 basis points more. Then the family trust. And so I know sometimes the price differential. Is bothersome, but was the collective will of a group people who understand their fiduciary duty that we believe the benefits that will accrue to the family trust and test to the municipality. Outweigh the price differential. So to my peers, I asked a simple question. How much difference? We got an answer. It was twice as much so far 1000 per se $1000. I asked for a memo at our committee last week that detailed the opinion of the board and minority report. What was the other side? And we got. >> memorandum that I think was. To use my term nonsense. It didn't have any information in it. And so I went to the trust Ford's website. To look for the record of their meeting. So I could listen. And it turns out that only one meeting was listed the agenda. No other meetings were listed, though. They've had several. And there were no available streams for you to listen to what occurred. So the information was not present or transparent. Now I started by saying we can do better. This is a new board. Some forbearances do as a newborn figures out how it's going to operate. But this is an important part to get it right. And I did go and download through the clerk's office who secured for me. The record of the meeting, the audio transcript of the second mean there was a first meeting that I just couldn't seem to find. When they have the original discussion about the item. But these are some things that I learned at a public meeting that could have been in the memo but weren't. One member felt it was too expensive, that it was a passive investment vehicle. So why would we be spending so much on management that there's not enough? Support of material to justify the more expense. That there were no concerns with a little better. But then on the other side, there was a statement of position that the proposed better offers more poor development a rationale for why it might be a better entity because they can help the board be better at their job. And that one member asserted they may bring higher returns. And that the vote was 5 to 2. So I want you to read the memo that you are provided by the staff. And ask yourself, is this what's how can we make decisions? Fiduciary decisions for this municipality? If we're told we can't talk to you until after you're approved the contract. And yet there are meaningful and remain things that are discussed now. I am gonna trust the board and say I can support this because I was able to understand the nature of what was discussed publicly. I do believe that this board has a duty to meet and discuss publicly. These matters that they should not convene into executive session to be having these discussions away from the public's eye that they should. Have. All of their meetings noticed. Have all of the agenda is published and have all of the audio recorded presented and I've asked the clerk to ensure that that makes it into the place where we store the public records. But when we are being asked to approve a contract that is. But the other one is we need more information to be able to make a decision. And so I am asking our team legislative team attorneys to review title 7 because I think that title 7 has a catch. 22 in it for policymakers. We can't make reasonable decisions when were kept in the dark. And so I just sad to do a lot of homework to get that information and that information should have been provided that. The majority of that board thinks they're going to better financial returns. They think they're going to get better board service. Those are the things that were said and that the minority said it's too expensive. And I don't see why it's justified. And so that is on the record. And that should have been in the memo. So that's I'm going to support this. But after having doing a lot. Mr. Johnson. Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chen, appreciate those comments about transparency in process. And it does feel like there's room for improvement there. >> But I will say I I think I'd like to add a little bit of context. This conversation. Why I'm happy to support this as is now. I think in most cases, you know, when we're talking about being good stewards of public funds, yes, it did make sense to go with the lowest better. But there are cases where I think there's a value proposition we should consider. This is a five-year contract term. I think $100,000. So about $160,000 a year if the lower better was half that would be around 80,000 year. Now the Municipal Trust Fund. And then you know what? You the cut. Correct me again, it's wrong. That's over 400 million dollars. And that trust fund currently correct? >> Yes, for 67. >> Yeah. I think it's something like a 9% rate of return last year. It was over 10 over 10. I think. Yeah. >> So that's 40 plus million dollars that this fund generated returns last year. So looking at the magnitude of that and the impact that has on our overall fiscal healthy municipality, not to mention the way helps mitigate some some other tax burdens. Spending an extra $80,000 a year to get a higher level service would only have to think you'll do very, very small improvement in performance to easily justify its existence. Right. When we're talking about 40 million dollars in return, I do the math to figure out. I could say so in my illustration, if you earn. >> Half a percent more. You earn an extra 2.4 million a year. >> Yeah. So if we a new or even close to that by going with, you know, that more expensive. But in the eyes, the board more capable provider that I think that that's easy to justify my mind. Thank you. >> Yeah, thank you. Just briefly, I think this item is a good example at related to the proposed our Future Co changes to undertake. I think it's also. An example of the growing pains are implementation pains we've had with multiple independent boards that I have a function but are not necessarily fully contemplated in our code and kind of how they are. They work. And so my understanding generally procurement process, there is a committee who meets they don't meet in a public meeting because it is supposed to be confidential, but they are not the majority of a body. They're not a bunch of elected officials. You know, they're they're created for that purpose. And so one way to solve this in the future could be having AM a procurement committee or some kind of subcommittee of the body that can report back because I think that the challenge of having an entire board act essentially is a procurement committee is is partly where this rob is happening. So that's something to be discussed or to figure out in a future coach Ange. But just to note, I know there's been multiple boards recently created and there's again been implementation pains figuring out how they fit into our existing processes. So I think that's times mind to make another note that that is a layer that we have to figure out. Thank you. >> One more question to use has have an attorney from the Department of Law that provides council to your board. >> We Mr. Bowman is and was present at all of these meetings and good counsel that, you know, the one meeting I think you're referring to where we heard the presentation was July 7th. We were counseled, as you've mentioned, some of the challenges with procurement code to not have that meeting be in public. So >> that was a bit of confusion. We would have gone into executive session if it actually had been recorded. So, you know, as I understand your frustration with the code as I laid out and this came from the administration, you know what we did and how we evaluate it. We are not allowed to discuss it until after you prove the of this. So again, I understand your frustration. I'm just trying to comply with the legal advice that we were given. Well, replied, it. You shouldn't meet without agendas. The meeting should be recorded. And if you are legally allowed to adjourn to executive session, which question that I would ask beyond Mr. Bowman because they're very narrow band. That's upon which. Municipal entity may go into executive session that you do so. But on the record so that that executive session is, in fact, recorded. Because we can't be having municipal bodies, especially those who are responsible for hundreds of millions of dollars having meetings that the public has no insight into. Again, I can apologize. I I actually sent instructions that to have that July 7th meeting posted there was confusion. I mean, part of the administration as to why it wasn't posted. I can say that the one meeting where we did go into executive session was posted those minutes are available. They still should be recorded. And I believe think where am. I'm sorry that took a piece of the growing Penn started with saying it's a new bar and we got get put. This one has a higher standard because of the nature of what it handles. We totally agree. There's no one else. The numbers may proceed to vote. There are minors. Martinez. On a vote of 12 to 0 in the member votes. Yes, yes, it Am 6.56, dash 2025. Has passed the body. Thank you. Next we have 11 C 2025. Dash 88, ordinance amending the official zoning map and approving the rezoning approximately 2.1 acres from I one light industrial District Pcd planned community development, District 2006 dash. 46 S for original Townsite Subdivision block one. It's one to 5 and block too 22 to 6, Jenna, located east of C street Southwest First Avenue. Let's go. Do Street Northwest are down and Anchorage. Public hearings closed 9, 9, 24 25 no motion pending with some of the body. Of 2 second. Moved from a sprawling say on this ball Monday. probably won't speak to it. No sorry they Seeing here and on members may proceed to vote. Member. Martinez. Member Myers. On a vote of 12 to 0 youth member votes. Yes, yes, you know 2025 dash 88 his past the body. So is before 06:00PM. We cannot conduct any further business will couldn't take our dinner break. Now. >> How >> does me? >> Yes, Thanks. Thank you. Martinez. Yes chair. Thank you. Good evening. will cost back to where now? Before we move on to the 13, sorry to more supplemental items into the record. One from some advice rally on 8 an ordinance Christmas chapter. 21. 0, 3, review and approval procedures and chapter 13 nonconformities. Us well from. Assembly. Vice-chair Brawley 2025, dash 97 in our instincts. man qualified voters in this part of acreage about proposition many of the home rule charter to authorize a tax on short-term rentals. So those items are. Laid on the table, a supplemental, too. Next up. Next up will move to item 13 a item 13, a. 2025 Dash 78, an ordinance of the Anchorage Assembly approving the final negotiation and execution of the crane. You scream it between the U.S. municipality of Anchorage, John Young Port of Alaska and Matson navigation company of Alaska O C to set the terms of operation at the Crandall Kids on import of less carbon carbon terminals and some licenses included. Therein public hearing on this item is now open. problem. >> Moved to continue the public hearing to the meeting of October. 21st second as probably moves continue to October. 21 seconded by Mister Bond. >> Any discussion this is at the request of the administration. Thank you. Any further discussion. Like to ask unanimous consent injection to continuing the public hearing. I'm seeing hearing no objection public here 2025. Is 78 has continued to October. 21st next, how new public hearing items. Next item 14, a resolution our 2025 dash 2.33 resolution confirming the 2025 Assessment Roll Loving special assessments for services property, especially benefited in the downtown improvement District. Special Assessment District. I one St 97. We really thank you. There's also S version for public hearing on this item is now open. Anyone wish to be heard in item. Seeing hearing public hearing this item is now close with some of the body move to a previous version. Second events probably said to him, Mr. discussion. Seeing hearing 9 months. art, Mister chair. Pick over if we get in there. Sure, I you know, I just want to point out. >> That I think it's significant downtown. It's one of most high value tax base that we have in our city and downtown property owners, you know, and training to special assessment down. I just hope that appreciate the efforts. I know. I know my colleagues do appreciate the efforts that downtown business owners, property owners are making. Every day and money that they're spending, to make our downtown core. A more beautiful, the bubble welcoming place. And so I think also along with that, you know, downtown, they deserve investment as well. So appreciate these property owners being good partners. Thank you. Thanks to Ed just that. There are some. Parts of town. If you look just up the street, general government tax levy have slightly higher tax levy. But when you add the improvement districts, Levy, a special special, A T it is, in fact, not just. The place where more tax revenues generated because of the density of taxpayers. But also it is the highest tax district in the city because of that special Levy. And I'm grateful to the merchants for continuing to put it on themselves to take part in ensuring that the downtown is clean safe and vinyl. Any further discussion. none members may proceed to vote. Martinez. Member Myers. On a vote of 12 to 0 in the guitar votes. our 2025 dash 2.33 Has passed the body. Next. We have items 14 be which is resolution or 2025 dash 2.35 resolution approving a collective bargaining agreement between the municipality Anchorage, an international Association of firefighters, local 12. 64 I f the public hearing on this item is now open. I do wish to be heard. Now's your chance. Welcome, please. State your name and what part of town you're from. You'll have 3 minutes. It's on the turn it off. >> Thank you. My name is just Mack president. Me Firefighters Union. Rise in support. And the job. A firefighter is a difficult one. We face physical and mental stress at the highest level. We worked long hours. And there's an ever increasing call volume the men and women who work for the Anchorage Fire Department. Both represent and non represented are some of the most dedicated individuals come across. The collective bargaining process is our opportunity to meet to overcome challenges, to recognize new problems and to set a path forward for the next few years. This was a challenging negotiation. We started in January. And it hit presented. It presented a lot of challenges along the way. And our challenge is within the fire department. Our folks work. 56 hours, weak call volume continues to increase and we do not meet industry standards, staffing. But the disagreements. We had the bargaining table. We're not on the on the merits. There's a fundamental challenge and providing. The highest level of service with limited resources that's municipality has there's very real budget concerns in a substantial changes are in any substantial changes to our collective bargaining agreement. So I'd like to thank the mayor and her team at like I think the fire chief and his team for the dedication throughout this process. I believe all parties are committed to improving this department. This contract is a step in that direction. It's a foundation for us to build from. So on behalf of the nearly 400 members of the Iff, we appreciate your support could be available to answer any questions. >> Yes, thank you. And thank you for providing your perspective on this. I was curious. I saw that the contract to believe goes through 2027. Is that correct? >> The contract the new contract would expire. June 30th of 2028. There is. An opener and 2027 and that is to discuss wages for 2028, but also to have a continuing discussion about work hours as it relates to 56 our schedule that we work. >> Thanks my question generally, are there major items are issues that that because you alluded to that there will be continuing discussions. Are there any other items that were not fully resolved in this contract expect that you would that the union would like to discuss in the future? Absolutely. I think in any negotiation we're not gonna resolve. >> All of the issues, one of the benefits we had in in a longer negotiation session was the ability to. To not only highlight issues but also really dig into them. We look at firefighter health and safety. We look at work hours we look at inflation and trying to piece all these things together and solve them all in one contract. It's a challenge, but I think the benefit of the relationship we have with the city is too be able to sit down. Have these are discussions and and set a path for moving forward. >> An officer heard. public hearing and close. What will the move to approve? A second? But most probably so Hollande. And the discussion. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairs is anybody if the administration or the HR director were site? Mike phones off? So this probably won't. My line of question probably won't come as a surprise to you given the conversation we had prior to confirmation about my philosophy of how I look at collective bargaining contracts. So what would you say? Are the winds for management are the winds for the people of the city from this contract. What are we getting for? 13% call off. >> For the chair, I think one of the main things that we walked away from this negotiation with new ability to collaborate. And they know that you are. >> A post that word collaboration, but this not oppose the collaboration, but please continue. >> Through this process, we've now established something called the Labor Relations Action Group. And what we are exactly to this Bali's point going to take some of these >> concepts that we were working on through negotiations that we weren't able to resolve and continue to come together and I have a more in-depth process to sort of look at some of these things like staffing levels and issues that are unique to the fire department. >> So I'm I'm sorry, but labor management committee isn't an accomplishment. What I mean, we can have that at any time. You don't have to win that o'clock. Martin to 13% cola. What are we getting from this contract? >> To respectfully, I I do think that the ability to to work on some of these issues and having resources dedicated to looking at these things holistically where they're going to take years to accomplish some of these changes and having this group of folks that have works through this this collective bargaining agreement reached reached agreements each of these items. And and we're working towards progressing the fire department to making some of these bigger scale changes. I think that that is a huge win for us. >> Right. My my my point, though, is you can have a labor management committee. You don't have to. You can have that any time. You don't have to. To me, that is accomplishment for the bargaining table. That is an important function of labor relations. 100% don't disagree. I've used it professionally in my in my capacity and HR labor rules myself. But my point is if your coming away from a labor negotiation, we're say, hey, this is a good contract. We gave a 13% cola rising 4, one K match health care costs. And you're we got out of this is a labor management committee. To me, that's not an accomplishment. Is there anything else? >> We've got a negotiated contract that both parties are bringing forward to you to ask for your support and approval. I think, right? But that's that's a given, though. I mean, that's that's that's usually a given. >> So there's so there's no. Is there any increase in productivity increase efficiencies to have any relief overtime? >> I can let the chief to that. >> Yeah, thank Threw the chair. Thank Marker for the questions. Doug Trucking for the record on the fire Those are good questions. and it might appear to somebody reading the that it was to the benefit of the labor group. And I'm here inform you threw the chair that our goals are the same. We we have faced recruiting and retention challenges just like other fire departments around the country and other departments in the municipality. We recognize that the firefighters were. Not being compensated at the same a level of some of their peers throughout the city and that. That's been a challenge for us. And so to that extent, our goals were the same. Has there. We were like Weis. Seeking. We didn't tell this, but we were we were hoping to secure increases in their wages and some of the working conditions because it helps us. We have the same goal with them we we are are missions are the same. We carry out the work that we do with happy, healthy, productive well compensated employees. And that's what we got from this gap. And I appreciate that chief. But my question >> Did we get any changes in overtime for to make it more efficient to make it more cost-effective for them city? There were some there were some work rules changes that were to our benefit, for example, the way that we compensate. >> Firefighters who are serving on while that fire deployment. We the bargaining unit agreed to some rules changes that would make it easier for us to collect full full reimbursement from the state for the cost of supplying a state with our firefighters. We we so there were there were we've got the ability, for example, another work rule that we got was the ability to phill positions before they're actually vacated. That's been a problem for us. Like when we hire dispatchers, it takes many months to train our dispatchers and up until recently, work rules up until existing contract. The work rules required that. We couldn't. feel that position until it was completely vacated. So now we have the ability with the unions concurrence through the work rules will be negotiated to be able to fill positions ahead of time. Okay. So there are some things that we've got. We didn't get everything we wanted, like government. And in fact, there are a lot of things that I was. There's some ground that I staked out We didn't make progress on. But we also realize, I think collectively the the issues that we were facing were complex enough that it dragging out already protracted negotiations. And that was the genesis of the elrama, the Labor relations working group the the bargaining unit is sincere and the municipality sincere that this is a forum for us to come together. And really start attacking those things that are important to us as well. Sure. So what I heard from that then as we did get increased efficiency least one spot. >> able to start hiring people before the positions. Actually they can. Not wouldn't get any overtime changes across the board. But some targeted changes around the wild land areas. There's anything else. There. I'm yes. There are. There are some other small things Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm not trying to put on the spot, but by my thing is of if we're going go to the city of running out of the people and I need to be able be able to tell my constituents, hey, this is this is what we got. That is worth a 13% call. This is what we got. That is worth an increase. and the 4, one K matching contributions and look the way this works in labor negotiations is it turned into a me to, you know, sort of argument. Here's a reopen or into for 2028, I believe that's the same time as the AP a contract. Is that correct? But that's going to get a negotiated around that same time. I so, yeah. So That says you can have both public safety contracts open negotiating wages and far beyond. And I just I worry about our. Our strategy and our you know what, we're going to get out of that. Is there anything else, any other high level winds? You think we should know about? described the ones that come to mind. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it. Mr. Chair colleagues that this is not a this is not to be. I'm not trying to on the spot, but I think that's important when having conversations about labor contracts were able to articulate, were able to talk about what did we the city collectively? What did the people get out of this contract? That was always my. That was always my philosophy going into labor negotiations myself. And I've done that professionally at state it's about am I able to go back to the people of Alaska to the people of acres and say, hey, this is what we got. That makes his contract more efficient. And so we got that makes our workforce more efficient. This what we got that supports our workforce. That's important to me. So I'm not trying to put on the spot. I just want to know. I want to hear articulate why this is a good contract and I appreciate your efforts Thank you. >> Yeah, thank Just brief clarification. It was my mistake. I meant to say when I moved this item to include a version of the memo that was provided. >> Thank you. So that a version of the underlying numbers. The one that's on the agenda, Mr. Bond. Thank you, Mister You know, I think it is important to recognize that. >> The municipality has finite resources. However, when I go back to my constituents. I hear time and time again. That they trust in value. Our firefighters. That they recognize the importance in value of the very hard work today. If he does, and I am pleased to support this item tonight. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. >> Yeah, again, I just want to clarify asking questions about what we're actually getting from our resources is not undermining firefighters. That's not a that's that's that's an insinuation. I take great umbrage with sir. I think that it's a valid question. >> To go on a border country speaking to Mr Chair so that a new waiting anything just saying. I like that. The firefighters and sort my constituents. All I think that. The point of order is speaking to motive. Mr. Kirk or if you'd like to rephrase you may. >> Everybody loves firefighters. firefighters. doing fantastic work. Love the calendars, all the gifts they do. Asking questions about whether this is serving the best interest of the people, whether this is a good contract is part of my job in this capacity. And in this role. Is this something that is this a good thing is to say that we get anything out of this, that we get anything besides a collective bargaining agreement. >> Is part of our jobs. We should be applying a critical eye to this conversation. And so, yes, I of course, I support firefighters, but I want to know that we're actually getting something out of this as well because we have fiduciary responsibility to the people of Anchorage to make sure that we're, you engineers, resources. Well, thank you. >> Monday. >> Thank you, chair. I am. I agree with Mister with member Parker and also I hope that and as the firefighters themselves are also our constituents. Also members of this community and we have a responsibility to to them and as we do to all of our public safety officials, I'm I hope it. That we will also have support for the Reality is that our firefighters continue to 3 man crews instead of 4 men cruise, which is the industry standard. And it is the recommendation that handed down from a national level, not a city level. And we are actively putting our firefighters at risk by asking them to operate and substandard working conditions. So I would suggest that. Perhaps one of the things that we got out of the CBA is a fire department that is willing to continue to work with only 3 men cruise and not as is industry standard. And that I will have all of my colleagues cooperation and determining how we might fully fund our fire department such that foreman crews are the norm rather than the exception and myself. Thank you, Mr. thank you, Mr. Mack. So I have essentially 2 questions for you. >> I think the question was really What did the Muni get? And the deal for? It's increase in wages. That's question number one. And then question number 2 is along the lines of what do you see as the trajectory of the workforce as relates to Iff? Over the next 10 years for people to have in their mind kind of where things. Where Raymond, from your perspective. >> Yes, thank you. Justin Mack, President Anchorage firefighters Union >> you know where the where the winds for the city, where's the winds for the taxpayer where the successes in this collective bargaining agreement? I would argue that it depends on how you define success. Is it that we don't pay firefighters overtime to 53 hours and that remains the same. Now. There's a savings there. Well, we don't staff regs 2 foreperson industry standards as a cost savings. There. But for every cost savings, we see there's a detriment. There's an impact on our ability to deliver service in an efficient manner. There's an impact on our our injury. Wait rates and burnout. I would say the challenge with all of this is to try and find that very delicate balance and providing a high level of service. But at the same time, trying to take care of firefighters in a way that the recruitment retention problem that we've seen doesn't continue to get worse. We've had dozens of non retirement separations over the last few years. Like we said the beginning, this is a this is a very challenging job. Our city deserves a high caliber fire department. I think that's what they have here. The balance of of of making. Improvements. I think it's going to be dependent on which lends we're looking at it from. And I'm sorry. Can you repeat the second question? >> For you, you have to work. 53 hours before you get overtime for several Miles 40. As we heard, you have the 3 pack versus the 4 pack. The industry standard not met. >> And so what are the goals? >> For you in relationship to your labor relations with the municipality or the next 10 years or so. >> Yeah, we've had conversations with the mayor and her team. We've had conversations with the fire chief and his team. I think there's a common vision and that's been discussed with members December Assembly as well. There's a common vision of wanting to set a path for the fire department that continues to deliver a high level of service the long work hours recognizes the increase in call volume. We've had a 60% increase in call volume of the last 10 years. The path we're on. I don't believe we're going to have less calls next year. And so how do we? How do we set a plan that can get us through multiple contracts? Multiple administrations, multiple assemblies and build on. And I think One what we accomplish year and this negotiation. Well, as we said, a foundation for those conversations to take place long term. I think the biggest in all of this is a mutual recognition of there is a lot of work to do, but also recognition of there's not unlimited resources to do that work. And so I'm motivated to continue working with the city and the assembly to find long-term solutions and if we can do that, I think we can provide high-level service for every citizen here in the city. I believe we can do it in a cost efficient manner. And I think we can retain talented workforce over the last 20 years, we see a hollowing out of our of our workers. We have new new employees to come on inexperience and then the daily we want to keep that experience here. So where better as a department we provide a better service to the city. We've had some discussions about. Let me rephrase that. If you're not in the budget constrained environment, how would you change fire department? If that question we don't have to. We don't have to make it right. We just look at other departments across the country. We look at the departments that are taking our members, the folks that we train up, we invest money in and they end up going somewhere else. One of those departments offering, well, they're offering a 42 our work week. They're a secure retirement. They're offering. Industry standard staffing. And those are the kinds of things that. We would we would aim to hope for over the next 10 years. But there's a recognition just takes a significant investment both time and money to to get there. But we're ready. We're ready to do the work. Those are some big changes to take. Lots of time and seeing your way through lots of tights that change. Thank you, Mr. Clarke. >> Yeah, also question for the rapid it from what I'm gathering. We're paying a higher price because we're running 3 packs the industry. Standard 4 pack. So my question to if we do, fully fund the department to to run with 4 is industry standard is then the union going to give us reduction in costs or we now just raise the basis and then to run for now have to build on top of this basis. Yeah. You the reason you'd want to Ron. 4 person staffing. The reason why there's an industry standard set forth by the nfpa its it's twofold. One is the internal customer service making sure that the crews responding to calls have the bodies to actually accomplish whatever task needs to be done. The first few minutes of a structure fire, as you can imagine, are the most sensitive moments and to have the right amount of people showing up. That's a priority for. Keeping our firefighters safe. There's also. The external customers, the citizens of Anchorage who are here to serve every single day. Delivering the highest level of service in most efficient manner. happy to be happy to send studies to the body. Explain how much more efficient a foreperson Steph is. And as you can imagine, when you when you roll up to a structure fire and there's a known rescue scenario, how critical every single person is. And so if the question is by adding staffing, are we going to reduce wages for firefighters? I ate. I wonder that's the right question to ask, are we by adding staffing? Are we serving the citizens the question? I'm asking because we're saying we're paying more per firefighter because we're putting them at higher risk like you said. So if we come up to 4 firefighters, are we then going to see a reduction of risk? So increase decrease cost? I mean, that's that's the idea, right? We we we would see we would hope to see more efficient crews. We would hope to see left injury would hope to see less burnout. Those are all things that we intend to see end for persons happening along with our ability to be more efficient on emergency scenes. >> Thanks. I had one more question for Mr. Mack, preface by saying it is really difficult. I imagine, Plan and adequately staff are, you know, manage emergency response because you're always responding to external realities. of course, we can have unlimited number of firefighters. But my question, you mentioned the there's been a 60% increase in calls in the last 10 years. My understanding is and correct me if I'm wrong, that that probably large majority of them at this point. Our medical emergency calls versus fires. But can you break down? Is what is the rough percent today? Not not how it's changed over time so much. But what's the breakdown? A fire versus medical and then what is kind of a couple of the most common, I guess medical issues that that need response. >> Yeah. A majority of the calls at the Anchorage Fire Department goes on our our medical in The exact percentage varies by year. But it's somewhere in that 70 to 80% of the calls we go on our our medical, all of our firefighters, our across trained and as well as fire. And so the same crews responding to a medical emergency are also the same was responding to a structure fire. The types of of calls we go to our. Arbery. We had a BLS ambulance program, a basic life support and we have an ALS and program, advanced life support the whole gambit of of cause you can imagine are the ones that were responding to If it's not a police matter. And in some cases when it is a police matter. The Anchorage firefighters are there those emergencies, everything else we cover. >> Thank you. Yeah, just strikes me even if our population right now is flat, we have a population is aging. Of course I know cardiac arrest is a huge issue and and could happen any of us. But mostly happens older folks. And so I think you're you're. Prediction that we will not see called volume go down for a variety reasons is probably accurate. And of course, then we're always having to plan with the limited resources that we have to respond to. It either already high sometimes increasing volume of of those Of course, we do want to keep all live. So thanks department. Thanks to your team. >> It's going quote, Mr. Barker, everybody loves firefighters. Thank you for your service. Members may proceed the vote. >> Emptiness. >> Martinez, are there. Member Myers. On a vote of 11 to 0 era 2025 dash 2.35 a version of am 14 dash 2025 and youth member votes. Yes, yes. Concludes a very long saga. And 14 C l 2025, Dash 93 and ordinance interest was something many extra chapters 15, 0, 5, 15, 10 to require residential rental property owners provide tenants, financial relocation, assistance functions, most vacation, many tightly to enact a new section 8 to 30, not 200 Mayfield to comply with enforcing order nose to make it possible as misdemeanor offenses. Public hearings item is now open to share. Please come forward. Welcome. Please say your name. A part of Turner from have 3 minutes. >> Good evening. My name is Walker Lindh. It's been Ard. You'll see me here before. But what say you might not? No as some. I like professional background. So recently I works with loss. The court system running the eviction diversion program. Was this share to disclose and just like behalf of no longer work for the quarter. And these are my own views on second through that role as they both talked to thousands of individuals, both landlords and tenants across the state, especially here in Anchorage, got look at the system kind of from both kind on the ground saying what issues individual are facing as well as looking at a more systematic way and through that, like one of the things I saw as one of the biggest issues was the difference and the accessibility of remedies between members and 10 at so there is an expat process that members have through the eviction system. If they have issues with their tenants. But the remedies available to tenants difficult for individuals access. They can go through come to court process, which is often very difficult for individuals who don't have access to attorney, like many lower-income folks, many tenants you might be in substandard housing might be facing. That's one option and that's going to time to the extent they're even able to access the court. Another option is through kind of local government codes and then force mechanisms available to local jurisdictions I believe and the materials. There's a story in a kind of included some of the challenges that local governments have and face 2 kind of enforcing some of the things. So say there's substandard housing. The local jurisdiction can decide to, you know, say that that's safer for people. But then word of the folks go. That's going to be a challenge. That's something that, you know, I think that this community is face another eyes and so very much like to think I'm members by one day and Johnson for bringing this forward. I think that this can add some of the kind of freshman tools to encourage to our local jurisdiction that can help better balance. Make sure that if there are instances of substandard housing, but there are kind of mechanisms that can be timely. It can help folks, you know, at the time that space and kind of bring in some enforcement and have kind of a fund that can help folks as Thank you. Thank you. Welcome. Please. Take them a part of town you're from. have 3 minutes. >> First >> was really underestimated you guys. This my first assembly, meaning in why you guys really do like to argue. >> Secondly, it's going to be hard to follow that up as I am just a guy and I am from south, which is I think one of the least. Rented. So just I may be wrong, but I wanted to speak in support of the ordinance. I think it's really important to foster strong relationships between landlords and tenants because there a lot of housing issues and housing market, especially, you know, up here where there's And I appreciate member Johnson, who my representative for bringing forward in part. I think that you have to really make sure that tenants feel like they can. They have options and that they aren't actively fighting with their landlord. That's my piece. Thanks, guys. The free go. Can you please state your name for the record? My name for the record. Yes, look, I'm Marcus. I sorry, folks. Welcome, please. Tune am a part of town you're from. You'll have 3 minutes. >> Thank you. name is Alexis Thompson and I live in fear of you. I am a landlord. The only way that I was able to afford to become a homeowner in the city that I born and raised and by buying and owner occupying lax. And it has been a fantastic experience. It has also been really hard, but because I live on the property and because I take my responsibilities as property owner and a landlord seriously, I do not allow my property to fall into that sort of state of disrepair. That would, you know, occasion, this type of action. And so I've seen some of comments that have been submitted from other landlords saying, you know, we don't want more rules on a us. We you know, we don't want all these burdens. And I think if you get to this point, you've done something really wrong as a landlord like you have seriously a couple winters ago. The heat in my house is gas, baseboard heat. So it's all, you know, flowing of water the heat went out. One winter one day and I had a pipe freeze. So I was running around that day would like a laser thermometer and a hair dryer defines what you know where that peace, a frozen pipe was Get that thing dislodge so that we could get heat back on in our house and that is just the responsibility that you have as a landlord. And as a property owner, there are people who are depending on you to take care of your house and to make it livable. And I think that if there are landlords out there who are not prepared to take on the responsibility, you know, go ahead and sell your house and put that money in an index fund. Instead. I really think that's responsible. Landlords are not gonna have a problem with this ordinance. And I think it is a shame that we have to do something like this to enforce these types of actions. But I do think that this is a really good ordinance and I hope that it will help bring some of our, you know, I less cooperative, landlords into compliance and improve the standards for renters in the city. Thank you. Thank you. >> Welcome, please. State your name. A part of town from have 3 minutes. >> Hi, my name is Cameron ever sold. I live in Midtown and I'm here to speak in favor of this ordinance. I've been a renter the entire time that have lived in Anchorage, which is about 7 years now. And I moved around quite a bit. I've been every. >> Feels like every neighborhood of Anchorage at this point and when you're looking for a new place to live, sometimes you don't have the time to go through every available property and you kind of get to pick from what's available at that time. And so when you choose a place to live, oftentimes you have a new landlord and suddenly you realize you've put your entire life safety, health and well-being in the hands of someone. You may not know very well. And I've been very, very lucky. I haven't had any terrible experiences with my landlord so far. But I've heard of, you know, friends having problems and having their, you know, again, pipes pursing is like the the most common thing you hear. But there's all sorts of hazardous conditions. You can be an if you're in doubt and house. That's not well maintained. And so, yeah, anything that helps gives renters an option. If they find themselves that situation is good. I in favor. Thank you. Thank you. Mrs on. Welcome. Please. Tune in, right. Speaking on your behalf and my own The CNN report month, 3 month. >> can mountain view. I would just want to echo what's been said. I support this ordinance. think in that basic fairness kind of level tenants shouldn't have to be. The ones penalize for their landlords and ability provide habitable conditions. I think that cost also shouldn't passed on to the city or to taxpayers, but should responsibility of the of the property owners. And so we have I think. And part of town where there's a lot of people who rent properties and a red property, they rent apartments in. >> Properties that are. >> And it's not always just like the boy out that sometimes it's like there's mold in apartments. And, you know, that's not something. It does a lot of a lot of conditions that can lead to. Non habitable conditions. But my understanding when I read this ordinance is that it's a pretty last resort kind of a thing anyhow. This when we've when you've been told fix it and you have refused to fix it. Then something like this is triggered. And I think that this is. >> Thank you. And especially on item. I'm going notify you that we're going to take a bunch public hearing and it the parade going to start your clock at the back of the room. Okay. accounts come forward to testify. If you're going to testify, you welcome. Placing an indication for so Jaime Lopez use prepared remarks. So I'd like to say thank Mr. Johnson, this volunteer for bringing this >> forward. I think it's sort of overdue. So in 2017, yet some protections put in 2017. When 19? Yes, I think was it applied to black mold in hotels and some sort of enforcement mechanism for that? It was just apply the hotel, so not residential properties. And so. maybe you something else something may want to revisit. And I had an experience similar to that where okay. So the general scope of it is you have landlords. are good. Some are bad. And if they choose maintain their properties and everything's great. But what if they don't? Some people are attracting as much properties as possible. And so they know specifically sentence they can go ahead. either accept the reality of the situation. They're in or can go somewhere else. But in a case where there's not an abundance of, you know, housing stock in town or rental properties open most, I'm just stay where they're at. And sometimes it's because they don't have additional security rent to pay. And other times, it's because they just can't But yeah, with that said, I think this is a step in the right direction. My question is what happens if they choose to say, okay, we're going to force you to make a okay. Here's 2 months. Rent and here's your security deposit back. But they can't find a place. Maybe they're out on the street. Maybe they're in a car and then they're looking for an X amount of time. And now 2025 Sunday for us, too. They're essentially criminal. And so I hope people surgery visit down on. try not to go too much further in this. I think this is a step in the right direction. But I would also say maybe look at that old plaque ordinance it from 2017 and just that one off and consider putting in fact, because there are a lot of places where friends remediate the thousands of dollars it takes to remediate building is just put a layer of pain over it. And doesn't really fix anything. All right. Thank you very much. You and switched to be o* this item. Senior, public hearing to set up so close was 12. move to approve a second. >> Motion to approve by Mr. Johnson second by Monday. Mr. Johnson. Yeah, I think Mr. setting to be here. >> First off, I do want to give some big thank used it to all the folks have helped out with this project. required countless of hours invested by a lot of very busy professionals and in particular. I want to thank Assembly Council for all the work they did researching drafting legislative services for all their outreach and support the municipal attorney's office for their assistance in crafting the language and their feedback, code enforcement and fire marshal's Office for working with us to make sure we're creating something useful. Not to mention the work that they are already doing to keep places safe and habitable. One of the administration for their feedback and support. Also former assembly vice chairs out h*** for co-sponsoring the funding. We need to get this in place. And also for being an early part of this project. And finally, the thank you to my my co-sponsor member, bold for insights and her tremendous efforts to help chanting project. So this actually started almost a year ago when I picked up the Anchorage Daily News wrote a story about tenants in Anchorage going months without heat. The story in the struggles made it clear to me that we immunity did not have the tools we needed to address the problem. It showed how out of state property owners were choosing not to do the basic upkeep necessary to keep properties habitable and failing to take corrective action when dire situations predictably emerged. So we put together working group to tackle the question. What can we do? What we need to do to make sure that this does not happen again. When bad actors fail, egregiously to fulfill their basic obligations. How do we hold them accountable and how do we make sure the tenants aren't the ones who suffer? To be clear. It has been a key part of this effort since day one to make sure we do not punish or add burdens upon the vast majority of property owners and landlords were trying to do the right thing. This is a narrowly tailored coach Ange meant only to apply in exceptional circumstances. Any action that would references code if it is adopted would realistically only take place after weeks of effort and engagement by code enforcement to help property owner remedy the situation. Determination that structure is not habitable is meant to be a last resort and only when the conditions truly warrant. When that happens, the tenants are not the ones who should suffer for the property owners neglect. Owning a rental property lies. You make money by collecting rent, but also comes to certain obligations. I eat to provide a safe habitable structure. Most owners get this. But there are few who have made it clear they do not. The only options in the status quo for the folks who are being literally left out in the cold are too move and risk losing deposits or prepaid rent. Pay for another temporary room on top of the renn. You're already paying or to file a lawsuit as an individual potentially going up against National Corporation. That, in my opinion, is just wrong and unduly places the burden on the victims. So here's what we're proposing. If a property owner has so severely failed to meet their basic obligations that tenants are forced to vacate. The owner needs to cover their costs. That is 2 times the monthly rent plus deposits and prepaid rent. If they fail to do so. Community has the money and a dedicated fund that we've already established. Thank you. Somebody to assess who to assist the displaced tenants. With any of the tools we need to go after the property owners to make sure that the Muni, the taxpayers are made whole again. We also provide reasonable protections for property owners in this such as when attendance legal actions are the cars over the relocation or natural disaster? Additionally, this ordinance proposes criminal penalties should a landlord choose to ignore official notices? Remove unlawfully post a notice or failed to provide the assistance required to tenants. Would also make it a criminal infraction for tenant to fill to comply with a nose to beak taking. Say I am proud to be a part of this project. But to be honest, I believe this is a piece of code we've created that will rarely be needed. My hope is that this serves as a deterrent to property owners who may be contemplating whether or not to do the annual maintenance on that boiler because the hard truth is right now, some choose not to. They weigh the costs of making even basic investments and property against the consequences of not doing so and they let the risk fall on their tenants because they can. This I am confident will shift that calculus. Thank you. Well, you have the floor. There's an amendment by you. >> Yeah, I think you all move Johnson both Monday amendment number. second. then concern. Second, my Mister Farms, Johnson. >> Yeah, I think it is. This is a very minor correction that we've just 2 words that are essentially missing that I think don't really change anything about the the intent I would say borders on a scripture. All right. Any further discussion, the amendment. Any objection to the Amendment? Ask unanimous consent section and on the phone. Objections. So the amendment adopted. silvers. >> So I understand that intent of this ordinance is meant to be very narrow. I'm not sure that the policy matches the intent. It does seem fairly broad and it seems to rely pretty strongly on the discretion of director. Quote, Code enforcement officials. >> As we know, administrations change, directors change in 10 changes. But policy does not unless it's revisited. The exemptions are so narrow as to really place full liability on the landlords in most instances, even if issues arise due to tenant misconduct, misconduct or carelessness, that doesn't to rise to the level of illegality. I have concerns about relying on a policy that really depends on a mechanism of displacement and removal of units from the market. Rather than working with the landlords and trying to compel the landlords or working with them to actually fix their housing. Right now we have a legal structure that allows us to levy fines of $500 1000 or $2000, depending on the number of offenses with each day constituting a separate violation. so why are we using this mechanism that we already have can we strengthen and uses policy rather than creating new mechanisms? If we can't collect in the fine. So we already have in current policy. How are we going to make sure that we can collect? That? We can enforce this new policy? And if these new mechanisms are indeed necessary in a narrow range of cases, the scope of the policy should really match the intent rather than relying on a lot of discretion. I have a lot of concerns also from a tenants rights standpoint, removing the 24 hour. Notice requirement for inspection may make it easier for code enforcement to not have to make multiple visits to a place that it's hugely concerning from a civil liberties and privacy rights of tenants. The proposed policy change would actually even allow access to be given by the property owner of the tenant has not provided permission and is not at home. a little shocked that that's even being contemplated and Maj and you are tenant. You're at work in code enforcement officials in your landlord, our troops and for your apartment, violating your rights privacy without your knowledge or consent. So that's very problematic. The ordinance introduces criminal penalties for failure to vacate was no timeline. So again, this is purely at the discretion of the director of the director says move in 3 days. Tenants who are unable to find housing are now faced with the choice of facing criminal penalties or living in their car or maybe spending their relocation money on a hotel until they run out of money and nothing in their car. So this really brings me to a final concern, which is that this policy could actually increase housing, instability, relocation fees to no good if tenants don't have time to find housing or if the units are available for them to rent tennis of lived in a building for many years and are paying below market rent may not be able to afford to move into a new place, even with relocation fees. And so that's why I believe that the policy must ensure that this is really only used as a last resort. After all other attempts to to compel landlords to fix problems have failed. So I have several amendments, but I would like to bring. And I will start Silvers amendment number 2. >> Second. What this proposed amendment would do is restore Cossack >> motion to amend, displayed by solvers second by Mister Hollande. >> So what amendment would do is restore the 24 hour notice requirement currently in code, which is also apart of that landlord. Tenant act. >> Having the queue on the amendment strong. Mr. Johnson on the amendment. >> Thank you for stuff like one from code enforcement or anyone. Well, when you know what, what opportune timing. Mr. Campbell, Mr. Campbell, you. You walked into room very dramatically with very dramatic timing. I have a question for All right. Thank you. just to get you up to speed quickly, we are currently discussing an amendment proposed amendment to the tenant relocation assistance ordinance and this would add language. You can also see it up there on the board. There that require 24 hour advance notice be given before horseman can conduct inspections. Do I remember we conversations about sort of necessity that you speak to what this change would mean. Practically speaking to 2 efforts. To the chair. One of the struggles that we have with code Bateman is follow through. We often have quite a few negligent property owners in town. We try to work with them to bring their properties into compliance. And we also try to prevent these buildings from losing central. Safety, the necessary safety. Items that you would need to make air building habitable such as heat, hot water, electricity, such as Property owners failed to really put forth the effort to maintain their establishments. And when this happens, those tenants live in these facilities. Are often left with a building that they've paid the first month, the last month's rent. Which is a substantial portion of their income to stand these places. And now they're left with no heat, no hot water and a property owner who decides that? They're just going to move on from this instance. So what we would like to do with COVID Bateman does have something in our tool box that will allow us to help these individuals because from are standing. These people are. Often times real close to homelessness. And we're trying to prevent that. Holding these landowners accountable. Thanks. I appreciate that. use this one as the 24 hour notice requirement. I think it's sort of been suggested that. But for this 24 hour, Vince notice requirement can force might show up and to sort of start casually walking through people's private apartments and habitation is is that real sick, uncertain? What safeguards are there in place? And is this necessary step to to at this? We never enter premises unless we are. The tenant has allowed us entry or the property owner. Typically when we hear a complaint, we tried to notify the property at the initial start of the complaint notified them that they have an issue. We also. Make sure that we have constant communication with those tenants. And so 24 hours advance notice is what we typically give. Unless it's a life safety issue. And eminently safety issue, a roof collapse, something that would cause immediate danger to the occupants. That's typically how it. Proceed with that kind of hide somewhere that that you're required to get 24 notice unless its immediate life safety friends, we typically with what most of our notice of violations we give 3 days notice often when we do do these complaints, like I said, it is a complaint driven system. So it's often referred to us by the tenants. And in that case, they usually let us into the building. Okay, thanks. I want to belabor this, but I think my takeaways, I feel convinced that already current policy and practice per provides adequate safeguards for for people's privacy. Some I'm not sure if I see this amendment is necessary. Next in the queue on the amendment small. >> Thank you, Mister Chair. So I just want make sure hearing accurately. It is. Codified already that you we provide 24 hour notice except in the case of an imminent threat to life safety. Without this amendment. This ordinance does not change that. >> I don't believe this ordinance changes much for our approach. I would say from from the Code Amendment standpoint, I internal policy or codified it's codified like how we process or notice of violations in our notice in orders. >> Okay. Mister Chair, I think move to amend the amendment. After 24 hours. After after advanced. I have 24 hours advance notice. Except in the case. Of an imminent threat. To life safety. Comma and entry requested. Does that make that work? firms is backed by the potential to be presented to the occupant. 24 hours advance notice. Except in the case of an imminent threat, imminent threat to life safety. An entry requested. I would second that. I think than the original mover and second or could. Change original motion without. Going through a set of steps. I would suggest, though, that that language might not say exactly what you think. It's tough. Anyhow. So you guys want to just kind of had some language to the original motion that would be sufficient. We don't need to. And then the amendment make a additional. I mean, I'm happy to do that. the move or the amendment increase, but it be also hoping to your. Yeah. So I just would the power for a judge in circumstances exist already in any universe period. Full stop. >> And second, it could be read that. In the case of an imminent threat to life and safety. You can't come in before the 24 hours. Any house leave the language needs to be more clear. It's except in the case of an imminent threat of life and safety in which immediate entry is allowed or something along those lines. Otherwise you're missing face too. Okay. Maybe what I'll do. We're kind a little bit more. As you go through the Q A Okay. >> Yeah, my computers. Frozen trying to pull this out because I want to. Remind you of the language that is being removed currently. So currently in the code, you are removing language that requires 24 hour. Notice unless there's an emergency. This language mirrors the language that is in the state Alaska landlord and tenant. >> Ask you to hold right now. You're back in the queue and testifying in on the main motion or on the amendment. So I don't think that's where we are in now. And I don't want to use up one of your opportunities to speak. that just practically speaking. Is there any objection for us to move on to the next amendment while? They workshop the language for this amendment. So we don't stop the train from moving. >> That's not objectionable. Suddenly computers. maybe the vice chair on your behalf can make your second motion or you can kind of work. Mr. American House. Were you present, Mr. >> hope the Silva's make Herman. >> Ok, I'm movement. Number 3. >> Second, the purposes of discussion, a motion amend and I miss so versus amendment number 3 said, I think we kind of hold the gray area. Let us not break. Some. A source has moved amendment number 3. The second Yes, Become a >> So what this amendment would do is it provides 30 days timeline residents are tenants before they could face criminal penalties for failure to vacate. So it wouldn't stop could force Mont from saying, you know, this building is unsafe. You need to move within 3 days whatever is their discretion. But what it would do is it would say we're not going to hit you with criminal penalties until 30 day timeframe. And I think that's really important because I think you're going to end up putting people in a situation where they have to choose whether getting hit with criminal penalties or go out and live in their car or go out and take the relocations fees and on a hotel. so I think that they're just really needs to be a timeline for that criminal penalty to hit. >> And the queue on the amendment. Number 3 and a stroll. Mr. >> Yeah, thank you. I do have a question about why guess multiple questions about these. But on this particular one. Mr. Campbell, can you explain what it could because it was preface by saying I support the intent of this. Certainly we don't want you create criminal penalties for folks who are die-hard situation. However, I'm curious, what is the current code and requirement around notice to vacate? Because I wonder I just want to make sure that this is lining up at the time. The underlying timelines is this references titles 15 23. So so if I get a notice to pay to vacate, but what it require to do >> it depends on the circumstances or flexible with her notice to vacate if I could speak to previous experiences. spent 2 and a half months vacating residence because we wanted to make sure each one of the individuals in the property have a place to co and that took roughly 2 and a half months. And we had to extend that deadline several times because of the property owner being difficult with us moving people back and already posted the notice to make. So we do have that flexibility to work with those individuals that we do need to relocate. And that's I think the most important part to capture because that will what for the intent of what we're trying to do is let's make sure that we have follow through with our code right. If we say to a property owner. You need to provide. Another establishment for these people live paw. You don't have heat or hot water. We need to have the ability to follow through with that. And I think that's kind of what the intent of this code is. >> And >> that certainly give us more tools in our tool tool box to hold the negligent property owners accountable. >> Thanks. And in a follow-up, is there a set? Time period by which a notice to vacate like someone can stay there because what I'm hearing you say is it can take a while. So someone gets a notice to vacate on day one, for example, and maybe we're in day 105. They're still legally allowed to be in that unit. Re resources hard and date that they have to move no matter what, 180 days, whatever it in the heart. >> But that's where I say we were pretty flexible with how we we work with these folks. So we do that. We we want to set a hard date. Usually get about 30 days. That makes it you know, a chance for somebody to go out. Find another place to live. But realistically. I think the intent of the SCOTUS for situations where you have negligent property that. For who knows what reason they just didn't provide the necessary life safety stuff for their tenants. So >> okay, because I'm reading this wanting to make sure that we're not putting an arbitrary. Timeline on something that is flexible. But I also hear the need to to say we don't want to imposes criminal penalties and a 2, for example, not because your office right now would do that, but someone could use the code in that way in the future. contemplating if there's a way to reword this, especially because I support the idea not less than 30 days I'm just I'm not making an amendment to the amendment. But just to say, I think as written the seams problematic. But if there is a way to say that we don't want to impose those penalties right away. That seems valuable. Thanks. >> You're in the queue. Much fun on the amendment now, Mr. Summers on the Amendment again. yes. All right, Mr. Johnson on the Amendment. >> Yeah, again, I get to say that I I don't feel this is necessary action like this system that we have in place, you know, provides tenants with adequate opportunity to relocate. I am worried because the wording here is somewhat hard to interpret that perhaps one way this may be red state even after there's been this agreed upon time frame which may be weeks and weeks month. Plus, for somebody relocate that once they have gone through the end of that, that we are now attacking another 30 days on to it where somebody may continue to remain and the structure that we've determined is not safe for human habitation. So. I don't think that's the intent this language, but I I'm not quite sure how will this be interpreted? And again, I'll just say that I don't see anything. It feels a little bit like a solution that's in search of a problem to me. >> And the amendment respond Monday. >> Thank you. Chair Mr. Kemp, I'm hearing you say that that it's that it's >> helpful for your purposes for there to be some some flexibility. And the length of time that a tenant might stay in uninhabitable building they hear you correctly. And that. >> everything depends on the circumstances. I think >> And in certain certain cases that we've had in the past were moving 50 to 60 people, which is a substantial amount of individuals. >> That's where we usually give them leeway. I think with the intent of our expectation is would move these people out of a building that doesn't have to fairly quickly. some place temporary and tell that owner he's able to get that heat reestablished in the building >> Okay. then I think I think the flexibility that is currently. And the text of feels appropriate for me to allow code enforcement to do their job and to make those assessments on the ground rather than setting an arbitrary deadline. So what I would not want is for us to have a 30 day window and then there is actually have their 90 days or require in order to relocate tenants and and then we've created a pickle for ourselves. I think if there are issues are if we want to take up questions about the process of code enforcement and what those time frames look like we might make at its 2 titles, 15 23 as opposed to making assortments. And I would encourage my colleagues to consider that as opposed to moving forward with this amendment. >> So myself in the queue, not just a constant, thank So I think that I have to stand also with Ms Baldwin Day. For myself, I have been engaging with code enforcement sense Mayor work. So that's where Begich Sullivan, Berkowitz, Quinn, Davidson Bronson. I know our mulch Marilyn France. Never once have I seen the code enforcement team in this municipality act in a way that was expedient to the point of recklessness or with intent to cause harm. Outside of their mission, which is to ensure safe and habitable places in our community. And so I hear and honor the concern of I peer who's moving a number of these amendments for fear of the potential return in time where you might have some more aggressive forces in the code enforcement team, but for the 20 plus years have been engaging in these conversations. I'm never once seen it and only seen acts of good faith by the offices. The only thing that they suffer from is a lack of staffing and a lack of funding. They could be more effective if they had more of those. But ultimately the limitation doesn't come for. Bad apples are aggressive. comes from lack of resources to ensure the city is operating officially. So for my part, I not be support of the silver. A struggle. >> And so I guess this amendment isn't meant to remove the flexibility. If you want to take 90 days, you can still take 90 days. If you want to take 2 weeks, you can take 2 weeks. Whatever. I think just what I'm trying to say is. Intent does change. And so I think it's important that your policy match or intent. And so I think guaranteeing that a person has at least 30 days before they are hit with criminal penalties in case. Intense change in the future is a good safe guard. And I think it's good policy making. >> Thank you. Anyone else on the amendment. And seeing none members may proceed to vote. >> Amber Martine us. Number Myers. >> We're going to call the vote. And a vote of 3 to 7. amendment failed to pass. back to the amendment. Was prayer. Mister Hollande, thank you, Mr. After speaking with counsel on the side, I'm going to withdraw my amendment to the amendment and let it stand in its original form. And I. Briefly state that I I support amendment. I think respecting tenant. Privacy is important. My understanding is that member Silvers had the opportunity to speak with someone who a tenant. Well, it is likely the property that was featured in the article that Mr. Johnson referenced. And that was something that was important to Because their property owner has entered without prior notice. So I think that this You know, underlying item is all about support for tenants. And I think that this is supportive of tenant rights in the way. Thank you. On the amendment. That was Mister Vaughan's Minutes. Probably. >> I do have a question on this and I appreciate that. The thought behind this is really the question. So for our council >> my understanding of the landlord Tenant Act, is it that it's essentially regulating contractual relationship between private parties. This is talking about city authority. So essentially does this. How does the city's thus the Muni, the act inforcement staff acting on behalf of the meeting. How are they regulated by the landlord Tenant Act? >> don't believe that the land Martin. And that act contemplates. Encompassing code enforcement or municipal officials enforcing code like as you stated, it's the intent of the act to. Govern. The relationship between. parties to the please. >> Yeah. And I and I heard the previous statement that often there is more notice given. So what I'm concerned about here, not because I don't want tennis to have those those rights and protections. And in fact, it sounds like if there was a landlord who entered without giving that notice, they were in violation landlord tenant act unless there is an emergency. But in this situation, I am worried about putting essentially putting that same standard on the government if they are there for enforcement action because they're enforcing life, life safety, health, whatever rules are in place. concerned about putting that in in all circumstances. I do think it is general practice. I understand if there's an emergency, it's not needed. So I guess to Mr. Campbell, then my other question if this was put into place, not what your normal practices, but is this a barrier the way that its worded, if you needed to be in there in a more expeditious manner that maybe not it's on fire, but something where you need to be in there in the next 6 hours say are some in the same day. You know. >> Through the chair. Sorry. With these. We are. We typically get let into the building. 95% of the time to the tenant anyway. And usually that's how we respond to these. I don't have heat. The tenant calls us we shop. The tenant's apartment verify that location, you know, verify. There's no heat. And then we talked to the property owner. It's very rare that we ever get hear from the property owner. First. So this 24 hours advance notice it's in there. But in all honesty, we. We are there before that. 24 hours anyway. And that's typically because the complaint comes from the tenant. >> So such if the tenant is already consenting and letting noticed, okay. >> Okay. Yeah. And again, I believe. I am with you on the the sponsors on the intent of this. But I do worry about invoking the landlord tenant act when it doesn't apply to the government applies to private party. And I do you want. I just want to make sure that there isn't some circumstance that were saying you cannot get in when when enforcement does need to get in that building are in that unit. >> Okay. So I think you spoke to sort on jump in. Thank you. I I see a little snafu in the code here. I think that the 24 hours notice reasonable. Her just say generally speaking at 72 hours. As a practice, some circumstances might arise. But here's Wrinkle to landlord. Tenant question. Imagine the landlord and tenant or adverse to each other code enforcement. Then here's from the landlord and lunch gets permission from the landlord to enter the tenants unit. Right? Because something I could imagine a situation where the new nuggets used as a tool in the battle between tenant and landlord. And so is that something that is realistic to contemplate here and wood, then the landlord Tenant Act a crew. If somehow the landlord were being manipulative, using code enforcement to get access to the tenant unit. >> So I believe as and this speaking. >> 2 of the way, is written now. >> The >> requires contacting and instances of an occupied. Dwelling unit requires the code official attempt to make contact or get permission from the occupant. It's only when the such premises are unoccupied, that the code official shall first make reasonable effort to locate the owner of the persons having charger control of the premises. All right. So first, interrupt you there for a second. >> So 10 it is at work today. Code enforcement comes landlords having dealt with tenant wants to get in and see they didn't paint the walls. Are they did this or that and all of a sudden the landlord. Is there a single yes, of course. And currents not occupied right now. They're not there. >> So I think context of reading the code OT occupied would. An occupied with being vacant. If anybody wanted to amend the language to say. They can as opposed to an occupied and context of this section. I don't believe just because there's nobody with in the building. We can immediately. Contact the building owner the the way I've read the code is that the? In the instance that Ed Whelan unit has some as a tenant with and that. The tenant is the one who gives the consent. If the tenant refuses consent and code enforcement has enough factual basis to seek an administrative warrant. Then they can seek an administrative warrant. But don't believe it was written? Gives them a workaround through the owner can defer to the Department of Law. >> that may have another view, I think that that's a tough question to answer. that's tough question answer. I think that I'm going to defer to. Mister Myers is in the queue. >> think for I make a motion to postpone the meeting of October 20 seconds. I believe my truck to cancel the calendar. So we have time for work session to maybe get some of these lined out. There seems to be a lot of code and legal issues here that. Corley with the landlord Tenant Act that we need to be in compliance with. >> Mr. Meyers makes a motion postpone this item to the meeting of the things 20 seconds. 21st. Seconded a slower 21st. Any discussion on the motion? Any objection? The motion. No objection. The motion carries the Stanley back first on the 21st. Thank you. Next, a 14 D. 2025 dash 94, an ordinance city. An ordinance amending accessible coach after 21 3 review and approval procedures and Chapter 40's to a lot more flexibility for the reconstruction rehabilitation, nonconforming structures. Public item is now open and wish we are on the side Anyone at all. Senior, public hearings. I have a key resolve. moved to reopen the public hearing and postponed to the item or to the meeting of October. 21st. >> The motion to reopen the public hearing continued to the meaning of October. 21. Bye, Miss Brian. Seconded by MS Cervera. Any discussion. >> Yes, thank you. I would also like stay on the record request for a work session on this item. And I believe there's another item of a similar topic force coming from the administration that will be noticed later. And so. The intense support session. >> Item in another. As well today. Were you? No, okay. And I'd like to ask unanimous consent an objection. The motion to we have and continue to the meeting of the 21st. Seeing hearing objection, the motion carries. We'll have the back first October. 21 7.14, E you know 2025 dash 97 and Aaronson Anchorage assembly submitting qualified voters in a spot of Anchorage about Proposition. Many of the home rule charter authorize a tax on short-term rentals. I will say that the document is missing a statement of economic effects which is required tool. that MS forthcoming public hearing this item is now open. Welcome, please. State your name a part of town. You're from. You'll have 3 minutes. >> my name is Ryan Jenkins Mister Chairman and similar numbers. Thank you. My wife and I have had short-term rental and south addition for about 10 years now and we undertook with hope to be able to move into a larger house, which we did changing the financial arrangements of that short term rental for us might impact our ability to stay in the home that we currently occupy. But on top of that, I would like to point out that ends the assembly member on the second page. It says there has been no data collected yet. From the platforms. Airbnb VRBO concerning actual operations of Airbnb and VRBO is in the the municipality, which makes it seem premature or at this point to advance attacks on top of that, it says that in the 2020 survey and found that a one percent increase and Airbnb listings leads to a 0 0, 1, 8%, increasing rents, which would indicate that a 10% increase in Airbnb properties with not even lead to a one percent increase and rent. This may be a typo, but it is as a discredited based on that. I think that it would be best if we wait until the data is provided by the platforms and study can be done to see if, in fact there is a material impact on ranch cost and availability of long-term rentals by presence of a short-term rental market. Thank you. Welcome, please. State your name part of town. You're from one of 3 minutes. >> Hey, my name is Carly From the West side of I and local anchored resident and a short term rental host. I'm here to strongly oppose the proposed 5% tax increase on short-term rentals. First, change would raise lodging tax to 17% while hotels would remain at 12%. That's an uneven playing field. It favors out of state hotel corporations while penalizing encourage families like mine who rely on short-term rental income to coverage, mortgage utilities and property taxes. Also gets to stay and short-term rentals don't just spend money on lodging. They feel our local economy. They stay longer explore more neighborhoods and spend more money at restaurants, shops and other tourists by making St Ares less affordable. You're not just texting host, cutting off revenue to small businesses across our communities. Anchorage already has a competitive 12% tax raising this tax. A 17% would make us one of the highest taxed as to our markets and the nation. Number 3. Behind some city in Georgia, Chicago and then there'd be us. So with that drives visitors to other Alaskan cities. It risks pushing some hosts underground, you know, reducing compliance and lowering the very revenue. This Texas, a poster race. So we should be supporting local families and small businesses by not penalize A fair solution is to apply the same rate across all accommodations hotels and that's yards like instead of just singling out us residents here in Anchorage. Before I go. So one thing I do want to say. Before my time is up so again, don't punish local families. Well, giving these hotels a break. actually should be fair, not lopsided. Every dollar guest spends my rental turns into the hundreds of dollars spent in Anchorage. Short-term rentals. Keep encourage families and their homes. Hotels don't. Because remember who this tax is really hurting. At 17% tax. Again, we would be tied for 3rd in the entire nation. Welcome, please. State your name for county in the She has a question for you, sir, question for Thank you, Lennon, me. Thank you for your testimony. appreciate you coming here tonight. Have a question for you. So how many short-term rental units to you on? >> I don't wish share that number, but I have many. Okay. were any of those? Long term that work and then converted to short-term rentals. They were short term rentals. Yes, before you purchase them, they went purchased them. They were vacant. All right. Thank you. Welcome. Placing him apart. Attorney 3 minutes. >> Hello Elect stops and every resident just. >> For the record, I owner occupied by for a flex. I actually have long-term tenants and the other 3 units and I live in the 4th. >> so the Airbnb question is something that has you know, this really for a while. And I definitely noted some frustration in the way that this was written. >> That we're not getting that data. That we keep trying to pull and I. I understand the idea that we want to see what Airbnb is really doing to encourage before we make a decision. But I also don't think that this tax needs to be considered as 8 punishment necessarily. But, you know, this is a way that we can raise revenue for a city that needs to raise revenue and being outside the tax cap. You know, we have a little bit more flexibility there. you know, we're looking at a 5%. here. This isn't the end of the world. I do think that the housing crisis that we're experiencing is a lot bigger than Airbnb. And I personally like my hunch is that it is not the majority cause of what's going on here, but it surely is a significant factor. So personally, I don't see the harms and I see a lot of upside to being able to recapture some of that money that's moving through Airbnb and using that to specifically fund housing investments and infrastructure that are going to get us to more long-term housing for Anchorage residents. That makes sense to me. I think it's a good thing. So I support the ordinance and I encourage your support all. Thank you. >> Welcome, please. State your name. Part of town in from the left 3 minutes. Walker spin art. >> I also support support. Bring it to the voters. This isn't actually the final determination of what happens. This brand too. The threat residents of Anchorage. What do you want to see as a community? I think many people are saying the infant's, a short-term rentals on this community as well as other communities off and girdwood, especially but also throughout the municipality in other communities. I think it's and I think it is understandable to have issue difference between your, you know, when essential hotel versus short term rentals that, you know, short-term rentals typically are in what would otherwise be used by long-term runners or owner occupants and serving community who let's hear. And we see issues of homelessness of people being displaced due to the increase rent in our community. And so I think it's going to bring to the voters to see. You know, is a sign that we want do. I think there are examples and table items communities Colorado who increase there, but taxes and those communities and apply to short-term rentals. And I also support that the funds or some percentage of funds abuso help increase housing supply in our community. So again, support and for affirmative vote here to bring to the voters and allow the voters to decide. Thank you. Thank you. Welcome speaking on your behalf. All right. And please state your name. A part of Turner from will have. >> My name is Mike Edgington from good He's speaking my own behalf, it's informed being elected official from good so first of all, just a quick comment on some of the previous testimony Many communities that it would have a tax great 17%. A figure of putting the country is not accurate. I'd also like to comment on I think the first testify referenced a study which I believe was done amongst a set of very cities where they have very low percentage use of short-term rentals if his figures were correct. And he applied immediately. I think you mentioned run caught by one percent 10% of the housing was intro to rental. Then the same argument says that every single house in the community was a short-term rental, it would increase by 10%. Thanks. Cleaning nonsense, sickle, there isn't on any affected here. Once you start getting short term rentals launch a then the vacancy rate long-term rentals, which single digits. It starts having a very strong distortion effect on the on the housing market, long-term rentals and ultimately on purchase prices as well. currently sitting around. 25% of the housing is a poll showed some rental market. It's different order. Problem to most of the rest of Anchorage and whether we like, don't know part of the meanest want encourage. I think the 2 things would say here is if this, if we could use room tax. I think that would be perhaps of the solutions to this problem. Rinne Texas tied up with lots of constraints and chatter and how that can be used. So adding an additional tax which is not subject to those restrictions and allocate to 2 fixing some of the housing problems we have across the municipality and especially in communities with a high percentage trip with a very high percentage short term rentals, I think is a sensible approach. I do that 5% is the right number. It thought to your much to me but I like this in principle. But without some. Alright, next tie between raising money and spending it on the areas which are most affected and communities which most affected which nearly every Reese OK, we community I'm aware does too. It takes these types of resources and spends it on addressing affordable housing. Without that. Next aside, I'm nervous about supporting this. So my personal opinion is I understand the principles. I think this is a potentially very practical solution. But there are many details that need to be resolved. Thank you. Thank Welcome, please. State your name. A part of town you're from. You'll have 3 minutes. >> Hello, my name. Sherry Robertson Month. Born and raised Anchorage resident and that gentleman was very well-spoken. here a little to be more. My heart. Headed for a move back. Her mother had a rental. She's on her 4th pickup truck of car, which at the rental percent left behind. I see that the people are using the Airbnbs because there's a protection for the property owners. And I don't see that attacks or anything brings property owners with rentals. 2 new renters. I myself have a rental space. I could put out, but I've heard so many were stories. I wish encourage come up with a way. For the system that works of the property owners are protected. I would love to help somebody out. I I live paycheck to paycheck. I'm all for helping somebody in Anchorage. But there's a disconnect between. The property owner right? The tenant rights. And some kind of middle ground that everybody can live together. Sorry, this is little more emotional, B anyways. I don't think the tax brings Anchorage properties. 2 people in need are rentals. Thank you. Welcome. share may have a point of order sure. Thank you. I would just like to remind those of you are sitting out in the audience and that the way that this room is shaped all of the conversations, the side conversations that you have. >> Final straight tasks and it makes a really, really difficult to hear folks who are trying to testify and they only have 3 minutes to do so. So I just like to ask you, if you're sitting in the audience and you need to have a side conversation to please leave this space so that we can give our full attention to the people who are at a microphone. Thank you. >> On Monday, welcome, please. State your name part of town you're from. You'll have 3 minutes. >> Hi, my name is is the end from West Anchorage. I am a short term long term property owner. I also am a small business owner and bring jobs and business to Anchorage, Alaska, encourage the growth of Anchorage, Alaska. Am I allowed just ask questions and also provide a statement? No questions. >> You can ask questions. We do >> So I just want to clarify my purse. My short-term rentals, majority of the people that I'm renting 2 are traveling providers, people coming up from Bush, Alaska, for medical appointments. We are providing affordable housing for people coming out for medical appointments and emergency appointments as well. we do have a lot of reoccurring guest. So that means that we're providing a safe, clean, reliable place for our community to come during a time of crisis. Also for medical providers to come up and encourage them to move to Alaska. As everyone knows people come up on a short-term contract. They're not paying taxes in Alaska. We try and encourage that and make sure that they stay in Alaska long term what I am question if you guys see short term rentals as a way to. Get more money for the state of Alaska or the city of Anchorage. What is that actually going to be used 4? How is that going to benefit the community? Is that money going to be used towards our community members who are scene, high housing crisis, right? So is that money just going to be funneled back into something or does the community get to vote on it just actually get used towards the community. I like I said, am a small business owner. I'm taxed a lot my business and also personally. So I do stay up late at night, thinking great. So I'm not gonna make peril. This are not going to be able pay myself because my payroll taxes are high. Kind of going topic But where I'm going with that is. I own a cleaning business. I have my employee ease. That's going to take all my short-term renters. And they're going to go towards people who are no longer licensed bonded and insured. So that's taking business from a local small business owner to these people who are making money under the table cuts are going to charge them $50 for says a reasonable cleaning right? So I guess that's kind of I'm going with. That is really it's not tax going to benefit us or is it going to take money from our community and small businesses because there is so much that goes short-term rental where we are supporting our community cleaners, contractors. mean, it's people handyman kinds of things and also people coming up medical appointments and work. >> Welcome, please. State your probably has a question for him. >> Yeah, thank Just had See, mentioned medical appointments and so And so setting aside, those clients of ears are folks who stay there. You mention folks coming for work? What is an average kind of like the tire typical length of time that they're staying with. You. 6 to 12 weeks. Plus, okay. So more than 30 days more than a month. Okay. Thank Thank you. Welcome. Please. Tune in I'm from another question spot sorry. >> A queue just keeps changing on turned my head. >> Welcome grant. >> Sorry we're making. Get your steps in tonight. I'm curious Based on that, the folks that you that are coming for for medical appointments are these folks who are using some sort of reimbursement Medicaid reimbursement or something like that for their for their stay with you all out of pocket. Okay. And so if you had to make an educated guess if those folks were paying an additional 5% on their rental, what you deeply that that would be enough to motivate them to use the hotel as opposed to in a nest here. Yes, interesting. Okay. >> Thank you. Now welcome. Police tear them apart. 3 minutes. >> Mallett downtown Anchorage. I am operator of Rentals. We're imagine about 50 airbnbs between Anchorage and or what I want to touch on to subject lines, which is the tourists. you know, a 5% tax really make an impact to risk coming to Anchorage and pain that with an air bnb not really hotels are almost double what the average, not right is with any air bnb to the summer months. Now you can get a one-bedroom Airbnb for 300 bucks when you go to cross to help know telecom Cook, you're spending $700 for the exact same king bed size. But I do want to touch on the fact of what happens in the tourist industry with the taxes and the nightly rate that their pain. And that is the higher that they're going to pay for the tax and then that a rate, the Leicester going to spend with our tour operators, our dining, cetera. So we've already seen it this year. We've already saw a tourism declined for one the first times in a long time in Anchorage. It was reported by this. It encourages well as the tourism board. We saw almost 12% to 15% decline in tourism. I'm not sure if you guys have walked outside your doors and visited downtown Anchorage this last year. but we sure got a lot of guests, complaints and reviews on the amount of homelessness, drug use, etc, which is not exactly painting a great picture for Anchorage. So I think taxing our tourists and additional 5% increasing their costs of coming to Alaska, which is already in the top 5, most expensive destinations in the United States. It's not going to really do whole lot of favors I understand the basis of additional back tax which is going to affordable housing. I think it kind of misses the mark, though, on how we're in the situation. Altogether, which is people don't want to build an developer. I'm doing a big project in downtown Anchorage. Walking that permit office and the plane talking with the planning Department is not the greatest experience. You know, there's a lot of red tape. I think. Solving that issue is going to create more development and more be no ability for people to start building affordable housing. We haven't seen a whole lot affordable housing projects Nickerson a long time. I think the underlying root cause is all of the red tape. The length of holding costs, etc. So I I understand the basis of but I think it kind of misses. We know what's the main issue. And that is no matter if we have the funds or not, we're still stuck behind a ton of red tape of developers who are going to have to initiate the building to begin So thank you. Thank you. Mister Von has a question. Thank you, Mr. Mallett for being here. I am. And thank you for your efforts to build housing. So ask you similar questions. Well, one question asked the previous gentlemen. Up to 50 Airbnbs are fundamentals could your ballpark? You know how many of those for conversion far from long-term rentals. >> We know we only own about 20 of the 50. >> So I don't you know, I would say some of them how we're conversions from long term. >> You know, our possibly like a luxury properties, you know, of the ones that we have. They were a lot of renovations and vacant properties that got turned into short-term rentals, especially the downtown properties. Some of it to be fair, there's probably a good portion of them that are second homes. They wouldn't be part of the tenancy or rental market. The owners use them 3 or 4 months of the Repeat out. The other part of the time expression ARCA what areas they're very seasonally on and off. we've got about 5 or 6 that are very seasonal, you know, just summer or winter markets, cetera, for owners who live out of state or internationally and then just use in part times they wouldn't come into the long-term rental market because they were just set for 6 months was additional revenue sources for him. Okay. And then I-2 more questions. If my colleagues will do to me so as someone who owns or and or manages rentals. Are there short term rental regulations that you would support and what would they be? >> guess that's my next question. >> Yeah, I was remember when a simply have introduced a deal and I was part of that work group. And on short-term rental regulations. You know, I I do think there's probably someone of a need for that to ensure that guest experience and property safety, cetera. Are Matt right? I do think that properties that are being operated like hotel should be some of the hotel standards. And that's just to protect the guest experience as well as people who are putting our city. Okay. Then one final question. In your testimony. you mentioned started taxing tourists. I mean, are there other? >> Ways that you support trying to capture revenue from. That's not this. >> I we've already have a 12% that tax. We got an alcohol tax. I mean. I think. You know, attracting additional to risk to encourage right? A penny better picture for tourism in Anchorage in Alaska is going to beneficial, clean up downtown and It's a this scene was was very challenging with downtown and the amount of complaints and reviews we got on homelessness and what a company with that. So, you know, I think we want people to visit our state, spend more money with us. We need to do a better job in making sure that their experience serious possible okay. Thank you. Think you can submit questions Mr. Chairman Prof. I just have one questions. So I was reading that return rentals generally the market and looking at what investors look at, not just here, but nationwide. >> And we're seeing that the general trend has been more and more toward essentially entire single-family homes or larger units with many bedrooms versus what it what folks think of traditionally, maybe it's like an urban market one year at an apartment or or small unit in in a building. I'm curious, you don't have to just devote your your portfolio, but I'm curious, kind of what. You see an Anchorage. Where is the But essentially our most short-term rentals at this point, larger single-family homes or is it a mix or does it depend on that part of town? I'm curious, kind of what the inventory is right now and how that's changed in the last few years. >> inventory wise. You know, I track inventory. about 70% of the inventory in the short spaces to veterans below. As you get more bedrooms, more luxury properties. The inventory shrinks pretty rapidly. you know, obviously there's a lot in Girdwood that's very seasonal. I mean, was a resort town. Every resort town has the same issue. We have reduced, you know, that with short-term rentals, you know, as you get market saturation, owners don't earn as much revenue. So we have had a market shift and decline ashore terminals from 2024 to this year by almost 1000 units of a decline from last summer. The summer you know, I do real estate as well. I had a real estate, team as well. And so we do rentals as well as sales. And I'm not you know, rents did not go down with almost 1000 plus units available, right? I'm not saying all those hit the long terminal market, but there definitely wasn't a decrease and rats with those hitting, you know, it additional information you want on inventory no. I was just kind of curious how our local market compares because I like centers reading a lot of national nation depends on the market. >> I think that's my question. Just thank you. Thank you. Welcome. That's it. Mr. Might welcome. Placing him a part of town from the have 3 minutes. >> And chairman of will be a short one. I don't to you. So, you know, you've got different things play here. Obviously a lack of affordable housing and then you have certain people to want to maximize the and commit to making it so there's certain information is symmetries up later. You know, when you're being the stature and information, you don't know how many are actually out there. And with the prices and if it's going up or down, but you do have a supply and demand problem with housing. And so then the question becomes sort of support the loss fare free market capitalism play or you allow people to their own devices in go ahead and charge whatever they want to let the market decide who winners and losers are. Or do you sort try to create disincentives to going in and doing. Short-term rentals and thing maybe, you know, to some Cruz housing stock. And not an easy decision to but obviously there's only so much land and real estate in this town that you can continue to develop on. And and the question becomes, when you do and I think we're starting to reach a point right now where some people after very educated, smart people of our dealer to this problem and they don't see a lot of options. And so I think that's where this one source to come in. And so, yep, it's going to be a tough decision. tried to the best. >> Thank Anyone else wish to be heard on the side and when it all. public hearing and Snow cross, what will the body? >> Move to postpone to the meeting of October. 21st second. >> Motion to postpone to October. 21 moved past probably. Seconded by Mister Farm speak to them is probably. >> Yeah, I'll just say that. I know we have a couple of amendments. Also, I know a very brief discussion or committee meeting for my part. I do have several questions. I also do feel it's very important. 4 for this body to consider with revenue measures knowing that this will go to voters, how much that we will be getting. What is a reasonable estimate of that amount? I want to explore the opportunity cost because this this is proposing taxing one segment of the market and not the whole There's pros and cons to that. So so essentially I'm not decided on this question. And I also point to the information memorandum that I provided. It gives good examples from another state that was mentioned by the sponsors in Colorado of other communities have done this. However, I encourage reading the summary that I provided because my analysis of what I read is essentially that because there are so many constraints on the way the Colorado's local governments can tax lodging. They did not at that time have an option to even consider increasing the equivalent of their bed tax. And so they pursued excise taxes, another type of tax that is outside of that regulation. On another segment of the market. And most of these communities are small mountain communities that are isolated from the arrest of a large metro area. So I think again, I'm not decided on this question, but I do think it's important to look at the context of taxes. It's important to look at how this will be potentially implemented and then making sure that we have a clear understanding and setting expectations before this goes on the ballot so that voters can have a clear understanding of what is being promised where it would go again, not every single detail, but essentially what what we're being asked for and again, what the opportunity cost would be if we make this choice when there's other potentials racism table. Thank Mr. Bond. Thank you, Mr. I know. I certainly >> that folks may want more information. And in fact, we are we have a legislative services. They've research some of the questions that were asked the committee meeting member Johnson about Tom, what are the room taxes the various some of the community stunt in the memo. So we're working on that as you mentioned, Mister chair at earlier in the meeting. still need summary of economic effects of the administration is working on that. And I I ask. Which just be if my colleagues to have specific questions, please submit maybe through the clerk's office through legislative services so we can start working on those answers for Thank you. Myself and the cutest, Mr. thank you. A few >> so I'm supportive of the motion. There was an assertion made in the public hearing that we should wait for the data because no data. We noted that there's no data. I want folks to understand that we passed a law that said the 3rd party. Businesses would provide that data and they have refused. They will not. And so there is no waiting for the data. And so it it's they're just a violation of the law. Policies are not. We would spend more in trying to defend her last and we'll try again. And so they refuse not that don't want to date or haven't tried to get the data. We have passed laws to to operators in that context. To folks who are speaking about. Kind of the feasibility like we've had some discussions about exemptions for and home units, folks who have Airbnb units in their home, that code as written would allow for us to provide exemptions. Other exemptions might be along the lines of people in health care situation. So the book is open on these questions and feedback is welcome to the testimony from our friend from Girdwood. I can see. It's very interesting proposal, Mr. Johnson has put on the record which is to kind of figure out a way to her, get the funding from the communities in which the common. I welcome some analysis about how Anchorage is to. In the top 5, most expensive tourist destination communities by my math. That's an even in the top 20. I saw some analysis of the financial impacts and the percentages of taxes gained in. You have to be careful how you ask that question because say the city of Chicago. They have not just their city of Chicago, Airbnb, short-term rental tax. They have. County and the state. And so when you layer them all together there, upwards of 25% not anywhere near the 17% propose here. And so apples to apples is an important part of the conversation as we make it through the process. Should this be? Postponed to the meeting of the 21st? Thank you. Anyone else? Senior non-member section motions to postponed to the 21st. Minors. On a vote of 11 to 0 in number of us. Yes, yes. >> is a Alright. Ms Martinez to their welcome back. And that was a yes as signals. Thank All right. vote of 12 to 0 in the vote. 2025, dash 9, 7, We back for some sober 21st. Next. We 14 2025, dash 98, an ordinance authorizing extension. The building least between Anchorage permit. >> And on Center LLC and the municipality of Anchorage for the municipal permits and are looking at 4700 more public hearing on this item is now open. Anyone wish to be heard in the same. Anyone at all. Seeing none. Public hearing center close was 12. I move to approve second of Any discussion. >> Yeah, I'd say that there's been a lot of discussion with the administration, not not so much with me personally, it was in the Muni about use of our space and what we own and what we lease. And so I had a great conversation with the municipal manager and really thinking about what is the highest and best use of this location are or how could how could we essentially optimizer best use our space some looking forward to more of those discussions. But in the meantime, I think the permit center granted there always there's always room for process improvements. but the building is serving us well and is a great one stop shop for those who are seeking those services. So I support extension of this lease at this time. Thanks. This I'm just curious how many times we've paid for this building in lease fees. >> And so it just looking at leasing this building as well as city hall and how much we are paying to Lisa versus owning building says something we should discuss more in the future. I think. Mr. Johnson. >> Yes, I I would welcome that conversation. I do just want to kind of ask a quick question about what I think is probably it type I'm looking at the am and maybe this is immaterial. But the second page of the Sunday memorandum under the fun certification, the operating budget we have, I think an extra digit in there want to make sure we are not in fact, talking about 68 million dollars. >> To the chairman believe that is correct. Okay. All right. >> Do we need to amend that or is it just? >> Troopers are I think we can put that in the category of the students. There enough. I specifically what line in page so that the clerk, as the record >> is on the memorandum page. 2. >> Line 3rd. 13. >> And the correct number would be Mr. verifying that. Now, if you can hold place, oh, please. Alright. Someone just accepted by email when you have it and concerned a scrivener's error. Thank you, Mr. Johnson for that catch. That fund would be. Any further discussion. I would doubt myself briefly, Mr. Khan Sinks silvers. your point is well made about. Conversations about buildings that we've paid multiple times for. City Hall is the one that I think is in the current mix of conversation. So stay tuned for conversation coming to a theater near you. Just looking at what's the best way to proceed at this point? Saw. Hard to say which direction anyone else. Hearing. None members may proceed to vote. The motion approve. >> Amber Myers. Remember Martinez? >> On a vote of 12 to 0 2025, Dash 90. best buddy. That's 7.14, G. In the youth member of the Yes, yes, thanks to a 14 G which 2025 Dash 99, an ordinance authorizing approving the adoption part of Alaska. Colonel tariff. Number 10, 0.2 public hearings item is now open and then rushed to speak to this item. public hearing the sentence to a close with of the move to approve second Probably Johnson, none members may proceed to vote. >> Member Myers. Martinez. >> On a vote of 12, jurors are in number of votes. Yes, 2025 dash. 99 is past the body. next, we have item 14 8, which is 2025 dash 100 an ordinance authorizing disposal by perpetual non-exclusive telecommunications intellectual easement she got electric association for the Live View Elementary School relocation project public hearing on this item is now open. Anyone to be the side. none. Public on the side of so close. That's where the money 2 second. probably Second Amendment small today. And question. I myself prefer NICU Mr. Khan's if you haven't had an opportunity roll by in Live View Elementary and check out the school. They're in the final phases of construction. And once the holiday break is over, the students show enter the new school building for its partial. You're of you. So tune in with our friends that love you. There's no Nelson members may proceed to vote. >> marching U.S. Member Myers. >> A vote of 12 to 0 in number of votes. Yes, yes, 2025 dash 100 has passed the body next 14. I and 14 I was ill 2025, dash, ordinance amending Anchorage Municipal Code chapter. 26.8, 0 to new section. 26.80 point. surcharge, sport community cleanup and public space maintenance. There's and asked for him amending and cruise missile coach after 26 do it at a new section. 26.8 0, 0, 8, 0, search. Our sport collection disposal of trash from outdoor spaces. Public hearings item now open. Welcome state your name apart. Attorney from have 3 minutes. >> Chaining up, ACC anchored. So am I allowed to ask that your question or no? pertain to the second. Okay. Alright. So if I have misread this, I apologize. So I was reading this and look at the S Russian. believe the original version had it where it strikes community cleanup in public space maintenance. And just things I've seen from going camps. So. You know, typically if you're living in the the farthest you have to walk us 10 feet to the edge. Whatever traveler yet you take a trash. Can you take it there? You do once a week. And that's as far as to go people outside They pretty much in the middle of winter. Sometimes there's a dumpster and it's a good 500 feet, if not longer. These are people that can't afford to pay for trash bags or anything else. And so the outcomes are slightly predictable if they can for trash bags and half along to says that they have to walk. Sometimes you're just toss in stuff outside because they're freezing their butts off in winter. And all of this comes to a greater larger discussion about the people that are outside and how you support them how you actually support the situation as it gets. And so I don't think I'm completely against same sort of the it seems like it's targeted specifically on the pavement and remediation rather than maintaining the level of trash collection to the point where doesn't get to the bad state because you've actually gone in support of people and help them and and try to build that trust and relationship so that maybe they're not leaving trash everywhere. And you improved to greater outcome all round better support for outcomes. And that's kind of where I'm looking at. This is I don't know if anybody really interested reading about all of the ways that was in Davis Park. When I can tell you is 2 years ago in snow down to use to pick up trash the backside. Snow dump longer the lights were and then it just stopped. And large amount of trash continue to accumulate. There's some lovely with Kitty Park the fall of 2022, what I saw play out there was the subject of trash the package into law. Right behind lows. And so that allowed the trash accumulate figure that was election strategy to around France. Pastors, Johnson at the next spring. Maybe I'm right. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. But anyways, the general point is Maybe you want to support the people outside instead of just doing OK, right? Hit me a bit. But we clean up a ton trash leaving around because obviously, if you're worried about optics, you just do it until waiting till the end. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else wish to be heard on this item. none public hearings item is now closed was told by. >> Moved the S version. Motion to approve surprise. Second second was filed Monday. Mr. Johnson, thank you so this is a proposal to help too. Realign the funding source for the cleanup efforts that we have and also to enhance and increase cleanup in the city. Not parks necessarily may be in part, but in public spaces that you would drive by that aren't owned by parks, but our municipal or other places in which there is no entity whose responsibility it is to clean that up except for the municipality has a concept as opposed to a user or a pair you're an individual. And so the purpose of this ordinance is too realign the funding scheme that pays for the healthy spaces team and other services over time. It isn't something that can be implemented immediately or this year. This ordinance does not contemplate the operational side of the question, but instead it leaves it to the administration to present to the somebody this method of reorganizing and right sides in that effort. But what's happening right now is the folks who live in the Park service area are effectively paying for cleanup of. Public rights of way all over town. It's not their responsibility to clean up outside of the parks, but because the system has been set up evolved to the way that it is over time. And they've become very good at it. We want to celebrate them for that effort. Our parks team paid for by a very limited set of folks in this municipality are picking up the citywide burden. Now, what's interesting about the structures, it's just a refuse utility, the landfill that would collect this. this fee would then be collected by every person are paid by every person in town and even people from outside of the municipality who used a landfill for their service. And so in the end, what it does is it ensures that a citywide problem is paid for by a citywide pair as opposed to a citywide problem being paid for by a narrow or ban with of the municipal residents. And so that's the just find this ordinance. And I urge your support. >> Thank I support this. I do appreciate the administration providing kind of an estimate of how much revenue we would receive from this for this purpose. Obviously, wasn't believe about 1.5 million dollars, of course, depending on Mr. Constance said tipping fees and the volume of those over time. I have it ended actually in the last week or so. A couple community council meetings talking about volunteers trying to figure out how to manage and really deal with the volume of trash that occurs from some from folks living outside others from people's rankings out the window or just accumulation of as we know, things that get uncovered in the winter after the snow. I know historically the city has done through the community citywide cleanup, which is great. That's only one month. The the year. And also we have our don't trash Alaska. The moves with the tire on its antlers. As a gentle reminder not to throw things out the door, which I think is not sufficient for actually managing public spaces are also say this is not dealing with mowing, but in terms of in maintaining generally on, that was another complaint. I heard a community council. Why are folks mowing the medians? That is a separate from this waste collection. But I think it all comes back to the point that we have a whole bunch of right-of-ways and a whole bunch of public land that needs to be maintained and will not maintain itself. And so this is a good, solid step toward that. I supported. The other thing I'll say is one of Michaels has been so since the alcohol tax was created and the first budget was put into place in 2021. after it was approved by voters in 2020 part of the funding for the healthy spaces team has come from alcohol tax. It was intended to expand that service. It used to just be in the summer. Now it's been year-round at the time. That was a great idea. But also I believe that is not the best use of our alcohol tax. We would be better served, putting it towards services and not just clean up. And so I also appreciate this as a way to partly achieve that goal of moving away from again, paying for things that we need with funding that is maybe not the most effective use of that and not really targeted to what it needs to be anyway. All that to say. I support this and I think there's a lot of reasons why we need to be investing in public spaces and being able to pay for maintaining them. Thank you. Mccormick. >> I see the surcharge for loads. Does impact curbside fees? >> So the way it will ultimately affect the curbside fuses. The costs will be generalized across city, but determined not to increase a levy on that side as well, which in the past when they did the recycling, they did that and they did that with the intent to ensure that the municipal costs were covered in the increase in so there are some associated elements that they'll have to work out when they come through this. But there is no direct fee to the curbside service. But in the end, it all goes to the same place. And so it will have a trickle down effect. >> I look at this. Nice. See, we are duplicating duplicating. Taxes for services where we have 640 million dollars, 620 million dollar budget. And we're saying we can't keep our sidewalks, our parks clean and thank you. Bring up the alcohol tax that voted on by residents of Anchorage to fund homelessness in public safety. And that's 50 million dollars a year. But yet we still. Can't keep our sidewalks and parks clean. But yet this next tax, this one will be the one that we get the money to keep the parks and the sidewalks clean. We have the money is a priority issue. >> Yeah. Just clarify the alcohol tax is about 15 million dollars here. Thank Mr. You know, just add, if I might, the reason have the s version as just. >> We wanted to make sure the language really, really tightly tied to the mission of the solid waste utility. And so it wasn't any functional change in the ordinance. It just is really to essentially make clear that this has to do with the mission of removing waste and centralizing waste and ensuring that we have clean healthy public spaces and so and I would tell you that the rba director cautions me don't think this is going to do all that much because cost difficult environment. 1.5 million will do a lot, but it will not do everything and it is not proposed to do everything. That is not what is at the table in front So responding to. >> Thank you. I just wanted point out that the the commercial dispose off for non contacted waste, it's $12.52 a cubic yard. That's what Only $0.50 additional on top that. And the compacted waste is $25.04 per cubic yard. This is $0.75 on top of that. $25, which pretty nominal all. To have additional resources available for the people who have done yeoman's work and making sure that our outdoor spaces are recovered repaired. Remediated. I absolutely in support of this. And would love to see come up with other ways, too. I actually look forward to seeing how the administration might choose to reorganize. Haven't how the healthy spaces team operates and what we might do. I constantly hear concerns, particularly from residents who are living along Campbell Creek about the volume of of waste, garbage, et cetera, that's accumulated in the spaces and I without without additional resources. The crews that we currently have to simply can't work fast enough to remove trash that is there. And certainly to remove what's left behind. As Camp survey did. So urge my colleagues support. This is small step, but I believe it's a step in the right direction. Thank you. All right. Anyone else in the audience. >> Senior. No number seed vote. Member marching U.S. Myers. vote of 9 to 3 and the youth member votes. Yes, yes, you know 2025 dash 101 asked the body. falls. Thank you, Mr. Chair like they would go back and revisit the answer. I gave to member Johnson on the fund certification related to the more item. >> I also misread that item. That second line is correct because it is projecting 25 years of annual rent CC fiscal year. 25 2 fiscal year, 50 also say in this extension we are acquiring an option to purchase to to drill more building in 2030. And based what I know now, I suspect that will be a more attractive option than actually paying rent for that. 25 year term. >> Thank you. I think that's very useful clarification, especially in that broader context of discussing the value proposition of leasing versus own. All right. So that was extra outside of any item, but think for the clarification, Mr. Fawzi, we Not make that change. So next up, we have item 14 J, you know, 2025 dash 102, in ordinance authorizing one-year lease extension with 4 one-year options to municipality of Anchorage tenant in the state of Alaska. Lester for from says looking at the bony courthouse or 3 K street public hearings item is now open. Anyone to be heard on this item. Senior. public hearing item is now closed. That's where the body moved to print. Second movements probably say I born the day. Discussion. So I do have one question, Mr. Constance. I don't know if. You'll be able to answer this the question was asked, just maybe the manager can. Sets APD, operates. No office. That's pretty close to the courthouse. The question was raised by a member of the public isn't central to have the room at the courthouse. And so I'm not opposed to this. I just would love to hear an argument for why we need to continue staying in a place. Threw the chair to municipal manager March Baffert. I'd like as chief case to come up, just at least. >> And again, I'm not opposed to a song to answer from the member of the public who asked that question. Welcome Chief case. Thank you, So one of benefits of several benefits to being inside the courthouse. One of them >> General security throughout the courthouse and we can share that responsibility with the state troopers. We also share some responsibilities in terms of >> Anchorage jail and municipal presenters and escorted him back and forth from jail. We also provide assistance with domestic violence, threats protective orders. That kind of go from the jail on Friday assistance with those folks need that information. So there's >> none members may proceed to vote. >> apartment Martinez apologized. >> And a vote of 12 to 0 in number of votes. Yes, yes, you know, 2025 dash 102 is past the body. That's 7 in 14 K resolution or 2025 dash 2.83 resolution in this body of Anchorage appropriating amount not to exceed 1 million, 900, $97,500. Very wide. Anchorage Police Department, AP. It took system. Special tests of the fun ones are sensors or 0 else. The area wide abd it system special tax on the fun ones are 7, 0, 0, 0 for use by the P D to pay for technology implementation and maintenance public hearing on this item is now open. Are you speaking on your behalf? Please apart attorney from last 3 minutes. Hi, my name is Mike itching to Goodwood Service area Tuesday. Aest >> back in my recollection is I think in 2021, the tax Levy was put to the vote is and the time it was sold as being area wide because one of the major components was upgrading despite system, which is absolutely an area wide resource. What I've noticed in the time since is we see resolutions which are appropriate money with no details about how it's spent. Tonight. We have the juxtaposition of both the resolution I which describes how it's spent and increasingly this is being this money is being spent on things which are purely for and I would say no, do not fall under area wide so I don't I think it's appropriate this equipment is purchased by APD in many cases. But I would question why this is still falling under an area. Whites an area white cost basis for an area like the everyone service area fact the specifics of area. >> Very interesting. Going back to the ballot itself in 2021. proposition number 4, which will thrust a special tax levy. He's literally next to Proposition 8, which was a ball and police vehicles. And that was an APD on the ball just in sur area. So I know we're not supposed to pose but I will anyway, maybe rhetorically. And if someone chooses to answer follow-up and appreciate it. But I guess the question here is why is something that was originally proposed, which is a Russian area wide for specific area, white purposes being morphed into something which being spent on APD. So everybody knows you may ask all the questions you want. You scan a reasonable expectation of an answer until we're done with the public hearing. >> Welcome, please. State your name 3. Jaime Lopez, are just some point. I'm going to get tired of seeing you But anyways, to expand on the sink. So for a member from the Public Health and Safety Committee and also ask our Community Council chief case gave serve a presentation. Both of them. >> I talked about some of the things that that would be funded believe he talked about or where there are 750 cameras cameras, private cameras that would essentially be funneled into the system and some of the other things too. And there's module. And then the question becomes, OK, I don't know what's the people's it background And that question, the tax aspect of it. But who watches the watchers and what does the data retention policy? Are there any restrictions built into this resolution, which there's oversight because some point you know, you collect more data. You feed it to an AI and you can start to have predictable outcomes thanks. And I'm not trying to say pre crime. But it does get a little creepy. And so, yeah, the main concern here is obviously are limits to data retention. does a video footage that they're collecting have the ability have the ability to be pushed to the cloud. Is there. Data retention cloud can expand the data retention clout. What is the data retention localized? You application programming interfaces are compatible with the state or with other systems as well. I do want to get too far down this rabbit hole. But, you know, things happened over the past 20 years were warrantless wiretapping happened? Actually before a certain event and join in probably don't know that guy but certain What happened he stopped being executive after somebody apply pressure to him and the rest is history. And so it can come to haunt you. you don't sort of have oversight over these things. But anyways, I would just question, are there restrictions on this things on these things and what the retention limits are actually know what they are. said those policies. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else wish to be on item. >> none of the Cairns item is no curse. What's one of the body? Move to approve? And just to clarify, I'm moving the S version. So motion to approve version by. sprawling seconded by MS Balding day. I speak to it. >> Yeah. Just briefly, I think it is worthy of discussion of having some limits on I should say not limits on having clear. Expectations us for the public to understand how this will be used. That's not my item, though. So I'm going to turn it to the sponsor, Mr. Constance, thank you. >> had lot of feelings over this item. I've spent many long hours with the chief on this item. I think 3. Maybe a 4th draft policy that are in circulation right now. That are intending to provide some protection about some fundamental privacy issues. The Alaska Constitution has a heightened standard for. Privacy. And in it. rarest of constitution is really in this country where it goes far beyond what the federal rights to privacy are. So its really serious about this and for a number of reasons. have been concerned about what I would call. What feels like. know what I would call it feels like a bit of reckless speed towards getting this done. Now the chief has been talking about it for better part of the year. So it can't be characterized truthfully as reckless. 2, 2, I I sat with this vendor. Last year. Got a briefing and asked for a certain set of information and that's the compliance piece. How do we protect the public from an overreaching government? When they have such tools? they never go back to me. Just yesterday morning when the Chiefs said, you know, you guys probably don't meet with the sky. And wasn't so confident by what they have to offer, except that they said that the system is locked and only the municipality has the keys. For our information, which if true is and heartening at this point in time. But there are a number of concerns that. Despite those assurances raise concerns for me. version has attempted to put some boundaries around that. And so there are 4 items here and version one is that. Safeguards are going to be put in place for the security handling preservation of digital evidence, including things like limiting duration of storage of data. That's not associated criminal activity. Logging auditing the system to ensure that only authorized users have access to report to this body at the next regular meeting after the adoption of any policy updates relating to the 3 or 4 policies currently existing or any policies drafted in the future relating to the real Time Crime center functionality. Also providing audit report valuing the function of the real time crime center operation including usage during First Amendment protected events and data sharing with outside agencies. I think if you know your history and your member of the church or union or any group that cather through history. There have been times one. People's rights have been violated around those protected. churches. And unions come to mind the most. And so. This will give us an audit on when First Amendment protected events. Locations are. Surveilled. They're also on a quarterly basis. Chief will work with the department along with the administration to assess and report to the assembly concerning the use of drones. Automatic license plate reader technology and any associated real time crime center functions to determine. ongoing basis. If the benefits provided by the system out way, the potential costs because it's not cheap liabilities and the risk to privacy. So that's version attempts to Hugh that. Difficult line between privacy and security. And I will say that none of this language was generated by me along this language was generated between myself and the chief Handful policies that he proposed to care and that we were working through the night on the weekend. So they can have some sense of confidence in. Use of this technology and protection of the people. Protection of the people in their public safety and protection of the people and their right to privacy. So I look forward to this debate every once in the queue. And the mayor has presented has some pretty important information can late. If there is any question about the passage of this where there has been. Opportunity made that we could meet again on Friday and it wouldn't cause any a breakdown of the contract proposed or the current operation. And I would also point you to a very large document of when you join a website. Are some online service. And you know, you just click over the terms and conditions. You never fall off. don't really read these. They have in the past maybe for previous functions. But these are the terms and conditions that we're buying into. So it's a lot of information and it came pretty quickly. So you'll hear from me, Mr. Johnson. Mister Chair and and I appreciate this. And I think you're a questions or concerns. >> And it sounds like this was done in collaboration with chief. But I would just like to ask the administration if looking at this. As for Jean, if there's anything in here that causes concern. >> To the chair, deputy misfired remarks, Baffert like to have chief case coming up. And address some of John son. Now. >> Thank that suspect. We worked for that. All right, Mr. Am. Yeah. Thank you. Mister Chair >> I appreciate you working collaboratively with the administration on this version putting some serious titan in 2. A lot of the various issues that you raised. I guess one question that I have. You know, just my question do we need to vote on this tonight? It sounds like the answer to that is. >> No, but we would need to vote by the end of the week. Second question that I have is. >> To the chief. >> So specific to item number. 3 on in this speaks to on report just cross referencing that with. >> The AI and that was laying on the table today, frightened 10 Delta, 12. That also speaks to an annual audit report that APD will publish. Can you just speak to a little bit of who will do that? Rip on it? >> chairman of Rivera, each policy that we drafted is a little more specific before and technology will be in use of the city's policies will not only be can become public, but also that number press re do want to talk about these in our next Public Health Safety Committee meeting in any other robust conversation. Want to have. for the drone policy, for example, there is a public facing dashboard that comes with the technology. So it's very easy to establish a what they are for you is transparency portal? The information that can be shared with the public is states. Times types of crimes. More calls for service at the drones have been used for as well as even flight patterns that were that were used. So, you know, if that was that level of. Information sharing with the public at the comfort level that we can all accept. You could look at that and actually see where the drones have flown for each one, flights why the flu. So that one is a kind of simple thing to create where public can have a good idea specifically for the real time Crime Center. This report would be all generated by the police department. Because we have access to a information number of feeds that are monitoring. So the public knows how many feeds to the public is giving the police department and or the municipality of the police department So, for instance, the cameras that are on headquarters, we own the cameras that are going Town Square Park Sunday. This Pallet E technically owns those cameras and then obviously private homeowners or businesses. They wanted to give us access that would be what makes up the total. Feeds that come in any external sharing that we would do. so anything, any information that the real time Crime Center takes in her video feeds that we shared with external departments. We would we would disclose that. We also have limitations within the policy on what requirements would allow us to give any information from camera feeds to an outside agency, any warrants obtain misdemeanor felony arrests that are that were. Establish or made based on the use of this technology. And remember, these are the video seats in the real time crime Center and any First Amendment. Events that we monitored using camera technology and the policy that we drafted as a specific parameters on when cameras can be used during first minute events primarily that focuses on specific and articulable threat or a specific request from won the event organizer that, you know, they have some sort of fear that they asking for us to provide a little extra support. So that's the that's the real time crime center. And then the I mean, license plate readers, the things that we would publish on that would be the number of hits or or so just kind of backup. Explain a little bit. There's certain types of crimes that we would pull into a database that a license plate reader would hit on those crimes are outlined in the policy. We're talking about missing persons cases. We're talking about violent felonies, stolen vehicles. So your higher level crimes. So many hits, we got total. The number of arrests as a result of those hits and the number of hits are used for criminal investigation. So the data that is collected by a license plate readers. Some of it's gonna be immediate and the case a stolen vehicle. Some of that could be used in the course investigation. However, the policy limits retention of. Those lights, that license plate information. And 2 weeks. So we have a crime that reported a week after an officer license plate reader, rental license plate, we'd be able to to pull that information is that crimes reported a 15 that information has gone from the system and will be able use that during the course of our investigation. So Norcross and appropriation with the technology. So thinks so. >> One last question and then I'll hand the floor backed Mister Chair. So it sounds to me like there's 2 key components here. It's audits. And then the review of the policies. Can you can you speak to me a little bit about? On a regular basis. When will these up policies be reviewed? And then let's just say sort of midstream in between one review in the next as policies being implemented. You learn that maybe this policy went a little bit too far. Maybe we need to make adjustments to this policy. What does that look like? >> So the reviews that just talked about, her annual reviews just kind of as a broad statement, a lot of the policies that we're implementing right now have review with reports that are generated so that that information, public funds, how we're spending for getting our bank for a book. There's also a quarterly review that's going to take place and really look at. What this technology is doing for us as a city that's really focus more on some of the concerns that I think is a mention here. We want to make sure and I think I think all of us. Certainly, believe and holder right to privacy extremely in high regard. And so we want to make sure that these policies are being evaluated, not just by the police department, but also the department logged a municipal prosecutor, useful Terry's office as well. That's going to be a quarterly basis. So kind of have, you know, police departments look as well as and a misplay agency, but outside the police department taking a look on a quarterly basis. >> Yeah, thank you. And I appreciate opportunity speak about because yesterday I just had to specific questions that didn't occur to me before. One is. >> How? >> These systems will account for the fact that in our code we prevent facial recognition technology being used. imagine there's probably other places that have done that. But wondering if that's cared for or will be cared for in this policy is my first question. I threw the chair member Bradley we won't be using any facial recognition across the board technologies that we have. However, none of this technology that's in. Does this contract is facial recognition. And what Axon Dozen similar technologies take. For example, a drone they have object detection. So it, you know for sure red car that's leaving an area and the pilot of the red car, the pilot of the drone identifies that car. drone can follow that car. But there's no it's a facial recognition. It's not identify an operator. It's not you know, say, sir, to any database to try to identify the person is it's used primarily vehicles identifying those options so that the drone itself will now follow that vehicle. Thank you. And and question is really just following up >> The question that Mr. Edgington raise as far as you know, the intent of this is area wide. Obviously the police has its service area. And I think there is that broad, compelling public interest in maintaining public safety area wide. And so I don't if that's a question for chief case or deputy manager or chief administrator would like to answer. But just curious, if you have a response on the kind of questioning, is this truly an area wide service? >> take that, OK, I'll go after you so. I think the best way think about this is yes. >> and explain it by the 3 challenger purchased here have the ability to be spaced throughout town. And then each of then can operate a certain radius from wherever they're the primary location is. So they'll have the ability to work, you know, not just in the Anchorage bowl beyond that the infrastructure that's being design statewide throughout the state of Alaska is thank you police department with this contract at the end to see why dot. Who also has placing some drones that we will have availability and access to as well when these can't cover him primarily for some of our highway locations because that's deities, primary coverage. And so we'll be able to use those through a cooperate agreement when we have issues on the highway when have collisions on the highway, we have a drone technology that we're now starting used to map crime scenes, particularly on those highways because it shuts down the highways for a condensed period of time. Instead of the technology that we currently have for mapping the scenes. So the drone technology will be used outside of the ball and most probably want to see them on the highway system. But they can also be used in some of the outlying residential areas for, you know, calls for service that meet requirement. >> Add one layer to The individual. Who made that question before us made that question here right now in this town. In fact, almost everybody who lives outside of the service areas within the municipality does, in fact, drive in and out of the municipality for the ball. The service area frequently, if not regularly. And so the person who made that argument today is literally right here right now and would benefit if some circumstance that was beneficial about this policy occurred. I think that that's one of the arguments well. >> Thank you, chair. A question chief case. I'm curious if U.S. I guess sort of conflating 14 k and 10 D 12 at this point. I'm curious if this particular contract. >> Includes the virtual the virtual reality Taser training module. In addition to the violent crime or the virtual reality. Just de-escalation training. >> At the suited to Chairman Ribble and ad. The contract does have the virtual reality. De-escalation training unit. However, as it relates to this item, we're using a federal grant that we got over a year ago, specifically for a virtual reality de-escalation training went to the full procurement process on that's left of vendors aren't on board in that product. It didn't meet agreed upon specifications so that contract went away that federal grant still available to us as it expires here shortly that federal grant specifically is being used to pay for the majority. The virtual reality de-escalation training in the Axon contract. >> Excellent. And And that doesn't include the Taser training module as well as de-escalation. Yes, ma'am, excellent. Okay. and then I Really appreciate. I really appreciate the collaborative the just amount of coordination that has gone into developing both of these items and, you know, I'm absolutely in favor of additional tools that prioritize nonlethal force for APD. And I I I'm really appreciative of the fact that this is the direction that we are moving, especially and environment where we don't necessarily have the number of officers we would like to have on the streets I I I think I'm feeling a little overwhelmed by the volume of information that arrives rather late. And again, while I am absolutely supportive of this move, I I would really like some time to digest some of what we were handed has laid on the table items tonight. So I guess this would be a question for the chair or for perhaps for the clerk. What what are our options for considering this on Friday? I heard that floated as a as a >> potential choice but not many details. the >> current contract that is for teachers and body counts is set to expire on the first. The administration is asking for certain action before the first we have a Friday calendar that has. Availability of think it's in the afternoon around 2. I'm Kirk. And a little bit fingers burned from the Stowe from our last meeting. We did have 7 people if moat to continue this to our postpone this too. A special meeting on Friday were to occur. really need to know we're gonna have 7 people in the room. And so the clerk is looking right now. Okay. be probably one. 31, 40 for as long as it takes. >> before I yield the floor, I I could I could be prepared to take action on this tonight, given the volume of conversation we already had. But I think in the future would absolutely be my personal preference to receive. That granularity that we were offered tonight, laid on the table folder about a week earlier. And I am someone who likes to do my homework and I feel like I was handed. Part of the assignment after the deadline. So just want to put it out there that that that doesn't feel super comfortable to me. Although again, I remain fully in support particular action. Thank you. So thank you. >> Mr. Constance, I think that that census shared. may be some communication gaps on this question coming before us in a manner that it did. But I can say I was the member of the team project that was working until midnight on Saturday and Sunday to get you this information because and need to be done chief, one more question. There is person in the public hearing that mentioned pre crime enforcement which sounds like something from minority report. A movie but not so far fetched. And you want to speak to that a little bit. I know that it's not part of this contract. >> Thank you, Mr. so yet, not part of this contract in when we look at how we're building out. What our capabilities are, how we're going to use this technology. And even let's assume that we have a full real time crime center that's fully staffed. And we have a lot of employees that can, you know, monitor a lot of cameras. The design of the technology that we're getting. First of all, we've we went through a process over the over the last year. One of the things that have talked about from from day one is too. improve training policy and technology to impact several things use of force procession see improve community safety. And so we've tested out some things throughout the course of the year. Weve got outside in inside assessments to help us modified policies training. And then we've had a patrol drone programs as a test of kind of this contract and what drones could be used for. We've added. We've had cameras in started testing what it looks like to monitor video feeds when we had a an inch and a 4th avenue. We profit Texan to watch the video feed during our breaks to see how that would help improve efficiency and direct officers and keep everybody that patrons in officers say fall. There. Well, they're monitoring what's happening when customers are coming and going during the time that we know has a significant increase in crime. We've tested various different technologies to determine which ones are going to utilize the best. And we looked at different criminal trends that we've had throughout Anchorage and how some of those trends have changed in the last couple of years, which has been relatively significant and what this technology is designed to help us do is respond much, much quicker to the crimes that are causing encouraged. Residents lost challenges. One of those are violent crimes. can you know, consider robbery, for example, where somebody leaves a convenience store and they have we have a description of the vehicle and able to now to tap into some camera feeds to look at the direction travel so we can start to have officers go to the area where a potential vehicle, maybe which we currently go to. But we're were delayed. So this will increase that response using drones to go to calls for service that are considered high risk where weapons are involved were before officers are really going in blind. So the response that they have is reducing the time and distance to make decisions when they respond. Iris calls where we can send drones. And now ahead of time to get an overview look to determine what we're actually dealing with. We come to make sure that we have the right number of officers, the right technology, the right tools to try to keep both residents safe as well as the officers responding. So that's what this is designed to do. It's not designed to predict what's going to happen. Nothing in this technology is predictive technology, a predictive analysis. In fact, it strictly forbid my policy. There are a whole lot negative impacts that can happen when engage in productive analysis, technology. And so that's not included in this. And it's prohibited by policy. So we are going to we're focusing on crimes. They're in progress in areas where we have high level of complaints and from the public. This is this is a crime generated response and a complaint generator response. We're going to focus our resources and use technology. So no pre crime enforcement, Mr. Bryant. >> Thanks, Emma questions just to my colleagues. So there's an opportunity for a Friday meeting there's also opportunity to vote on this tonight. And then the contractors item after it. So if folks want to have meeting on Friday or take more time with this, please speak And because right now there's no one else in the queue. So please let your intent be known. Otherwise we are proceed to vote. Thanks. It's been a day. And I I think I would appreciate a Friday session. What little I move to post it Friday. >> postpone 14 K and 10 D 12 to a special meeting on Friday at one 30 PM, which I will attend in person. Second for discussion, moved by. >> As balding day Sunday by road. All right. I don't know that we need to to that. Members proceed to vote. Motion, especially. >> Remember to >> On a vote of 6 to 5, the motion fails. Now we have them in motion before us. Members may proceed to vote. >> Andrew Martinez. >> On a vote of 11 to one. Our 2025 dash. 2.83 S has passed the body makes the House. O and number sorry. >> Yes, yes. Next we have item 10 D 12, which is 69 dash 2025 properties purchased from Exxon through sourced will contract ones are one to 2, 3 and for the purchase of technology and equipment for the municipality Anchorage. This is not a public hearing what is the body. troopers most probably second most part today. Any further discussion. members think vote. Martinez. vote of 11 to one of the member votes. Yes, yes. Am 6, 9, dash 2025. U.S. pass the body. So for youth summer, I think that concludes our regular agenda. We're now onto a car marijuana don't have members participate on that. Thank you for being the first use number. Spend an evening with us on your own congratulations. You've done it. And we'll see you back here soon. Next. We have item 15, a resolution or 2025 dash 2.85 resolution and crystal, somebody stings conditional protest regarding the renewal of beverage dispensary license number 4, 3, 5, 3 for Garden LLC dba Garden located at 7.20 Muldoon Road Anchorage, Alaska, 504, public hearings item is now open. on item. I don't Seeing public hearing decided to open wants all the body to prove second. Move that. Mister Von Move. Thank you, Mister Vera seconds. discussion? Seen here in an members they proceed to vote. Myers. >> Amber Martinez. >> On a vote of 12 to 0 or 2025 dash 2.85 passed a body next to inch TV resolution era 2025. Dash 2.86 resolution. Pictures will simply savings conditional protest regarding the renewal of restaurant eating place. License number 5, 9, 8, 7, for House dba Alaskan Burger. Andrew Luck ad. 51. 21 Arctic Boulevard, Anchorage, Alaska at 9, 5, 0, 3. The park here on item is now open. Anyone wish to be heard of item. public hearing item is now closed with some of the move to approve a second. Most are armed. Second by Miss Rivera. Any discussion on the matter? none members proceed to vote. Mr. Martinez. And a vote of 12 to 0 or 2025 dash. 2.86 has passed the body. That's 7.15 C resolution. Number 2025, dash 2.89 resolution of Anchorage Municipal Assembly, approving marijuana license and special and he's from it for high Lca marijuana, retail sales establishment with license number and 4, 0, 5, 8, 5, located at 88 60, our own street in eye, one district that then lot, 6 Morehead, more hand subdivision, try looking West Street north about it. gone southeast 88 and encourage public hearing. item is now open. should be heard on this item. Anyone at all? Senior parents items now closed. That's where the body super in second moved by bus brawl seconded by Mr. Armed. Mr. thank you. If you were to go into your e-mail tonight, we received an email from. A dentist who is located in close proximity to this 8. Charlie, a conflict. I do have a connection is Mike Dentist and I have heard some concerns. Hamm about a very close proximity licensee who has had extensive small violations nearby. And so I'm entering into the record here that we received this communication. That smell is a concern in this area and that this licensee should be on notice that small violations will be closely monitored because of the nature of the neighborhood and its close proximity to residential and other commercial uses that have public facing services. And so this is a letter from Doctor Bradford on. I might. It's getting a little bit late but asked to figure out a way to. Penned this by am this letter, if we can pull it off and make an instant. Would there be any objection to just having come in at the next meeting associated to this item. Is there any procedural flaw with that? Okay. So we want to that tonight. But in this record, it's been stated. But there are some concerns in that area, not just licensee. They're not. And I parading, but so the record's clear. Thank you, everybody. There's no in Austin members proceed to vote. And Martinez. vote of 12 to 0 or 2025 dash. 2.89 has passed a body that concludes our. Agenda for the evening. Our business agenda next 7 in Spurs patients like Spirit. Please come forward. Welcome, please. State your name part of town. You're from. You'll have 3 minutes. I want him back. Sure. From Fairview and >> You zonings zoning codes are really getting bad. And Lake Ridge, you know, people have you know, for, you know, can't you know, we got garage condos and people, you I represent F a zoning, you know, and people I know people that want have lambs that there houses and stuff like that and people have dogs and they up and stuff like that. And I think dollars only and, you know, one of the reasons I ran is as rant and have you know, have a house and I can't I'm a mechanic. I like to tinker. And but I can't, you know, like can't oil and right way and stuff like that. You know, I think those only as good will, you know, people they just have to stay in house. You know, play videos and stuff like that. Watch TV. >> Welcome, please. State your name. What part of town you're from? 3 minutes. Shimmy up a from the coalition for there's main thing I want to talk to purchase to get back are 2025 to 83. So the thing that most people are missing is chief case sort of dance around data. Retention. How much data retention to have is it termites, is it Pena Bytes is Exabytes and compression technologies increased the amount of things you can store. And so if you do not have oversight over data, retention policies I have to do is wait over time for the next package. An expectation next package. After that, there's a pretty infamous data center in Utah. It's called Bumble Hive. You guys don't know about that. One. And so we're luster just collecting things until the point they can use at a later point time. Some of you guys should be afraid of. But, you know, I don't talk about it. So one year ago, September 27th center was downtown checking in on something that was coming back to monitor the pantry and past city hall and were less asa. Some of these vehicle parked outside and use Dr. Phil, are you up to no good. And he said he was in a meeting and I said, I know it took a photo and I said to him, it's a tougher. I said time and ways from there. I'm walking back down Glenn Highway, get to the guy except more or Somebody wake me down their off. And so went down there. Spoke to guys team with a side show. And were less wind up happening. Joseph stamp hurt. And so we're less. You tell me story where he was camps right next to a retaining wall right after home people police had gone by essentially you cannot take your tarps You know your blankets. You're calling all that you paid for and all these things in a trash can. so I took a video. I sent it an attorney when you and we're SAT on it and you know, your past sand in September 8, essentially 2 weeks ago. Going out right around midnight and then pumped into the girlfriend and just talk to him and 16 last year we doing. Jo Stead. And so more or less when it happened to us one month after bumped into him. And there's essentially an event he dies more or The girlfriend choose to struck. We see in the got frostbite to lead to get cut off tinkering. And so I went and just happened look into this after the fact. And I looked at the guys, you know, record and were less. essentially mostly I was minor traffic violations. All these things he was just placed and then one month later essentially stand. And the question heading up into space, would he still be life? And this is happening all over town right now or people they don't have any stability and it's going to lead to that outcome I would ask, please consider the direction things are going anyone else push tonight and what it all. All right, none. We'll go something member comments, Mr. President. >> No comments. Thank you, Mr. Your comments, out the comments >> No comments. Thank Probably. >> Yeah. Just to remind everybody we do have a joint meeting with the assembly in the school board on Friday morning from 10:00AM to noon. And also to remind folks about the ASD career Academy that's happening across the street from City Hall at United Center believe it's from 09:00AM to 03:00PM. So if you time it right, you can go to the that event in the morning and then also make it to a meeting and reminder that we need at least 7 members in person to make per our a code for charter Thank you. >> Thank you for that. Must really Mr. Johnson accounts day, I think from a chair. Thank you. Martinez. >> No comments. Thank you. Chair. >> All right, Mister McCormick, no comments. Thank Mr. Myers. No comment sector. >> I'll just say thank you to a slang for standing in as our municipal attorney tonight. for those who celebrate, I hope you have a happy new Rosh honor, Sean, into law. And that that will be adjourned. Thank you, everybody. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪