GOV-TV. >> STAY TUNED. >> HELLO? CAN YOU GUYS TALK. I CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING. >> HIGH COUNCILOR BENTON. >> WE ARE GETTING READY TO START IN JUST A YOU. I CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER MEETING OF THE COUNCIL'S PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT VIA ZOOM. THIS IS REMOTE OR ON LINE MEETING FOR ALL PARTICIPANTS. WE ARE HOLDING THIS MEETING REMOTELY SO EVERYONE CAN PARTICIPATE SAFELY WHILE WE CONDUCT BUSINESS UNDER A PUBLIC HEALTH KNOWLEDGE. WE APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE AS WE GET ACCUSTOMED TO VIRTUAL MEETINGS. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, CITY STAFF AND MEDIA HAVE ABILITY TO VIEW LIVE THROUGH GOVTV, COMCAST CHANNEL 16, GOV WEBSITE AND YOUTUBE. >> THESE CAN BE ACCESSED FROM MOST SMART PHONES TABLETS OR COMPUTERS. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE COMMITTEE IF THEY HAVE SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT PER THE RULES PUBLISHED ON THE AGENDA LAST WEEK. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WILL BE MOVED FROM THE ZOOM WAITING ROOM INTO THE MEETING ROOM ONCE WE BEGIN PUBLIC COMMENT. THEY WILL REMAIN MUTED UNTIL CALLED UPON AND THEN THEY HAVE TWO MINUTES TO PROVIDE COMMENTS. AFTER THAT THEY WILL BE MUTED AGAIN. WE'LL START WITH PUBLIC COMMENT. WILL THE ZOOM MODERATOR PLEASE MOVE IN ALL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. >> COUNCILOR THEY HAVE ALL BEEN LET? >> Coun. Sena: HELLO TO THOSE JOINING US. IF YOU'RE WATCHING THE LIVE SPEED FOR THIS MEETING, MUTE OR TURN US OFF AT THIS TIME. GROUNDRULES, COMMENTS TO BE ADDRESSED TO COMMITTEE MEMBERS ONLY. PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS GER PLAIN GERMANE TO THE TOPICS OF THE MEETING. I ALSO ASK THAT WE REMAIN RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER. THERE WILL BE A TWO MINUTE TIME WILL LIMIT. TIME STARTS ONCE YOU BEGIN SPEAKING THEN ZOOM MODERATEDDOR WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN TIME IS UP. >> FIRST SPEAKER IS CAMILLA. YOUR TWO MINUTES BEGIN ONCE YOU BEGIN SPEAKING. >> TODAY , SPEAKING. >> CAMILLA, CAN YOU HEAR ME? THANK YOU CHAIRMAN AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COMMIT FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE PUBLIC COMMENT. MY NAME IS CAMILLA, DIRECTOR OF THE RIO GRANDE CHAPTER OF THE SIERRA CLUB WHICH REPRESENTS 35,000 MEMBERS AND SUPPORTERS IN NEW MEXICO AND WEST TEXAS BUT WITH MANY OF THEM BASED, (INAUDIBLE). 17 ARE >> Coun. Sena: ARE YOU STILL THERE? >> CAMILLA: YES. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU LAST HEARD. I APOLOGIZE. >> Coun. Sena: YOU MIGHT WANT TO SUMMARIZE. >> MY NAME IS CAMILLA, DIRECTOR OF THE RIO GRANDE CHAPTER OF THE SIERRA CLUB AND WE AND OUR 35,000 MEMBERS AND SUPPORTERS YOU'RE HERE TO TESTIFY IN SUPPORT OF ENDING THE MILITARY SURPLUS PROGRAM FOR APD BECAUSE WE STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT ALL ENVIRONMENT SHOULD BE SAFE, HEALTHY AND FAIR. WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY HASN'T RECEIVED A TRANSFER SINCE 2015 HOWEVER WE DO BELIEVE THAT EQUIPMENT SHOULD BE RETURNED THAT WE HAVE OR DISPOSED OF PROPERLY AND WE REQUEST THAT THE COUNCIL TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION TO END THE PROGRAM ON A PERMANENT BASIS. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS. >> NEXT SPEAKER IS ROBBY HECKMAN. >> ROBBY HECKMAN: THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. I REPRESENT LA MESA PRESS PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH AND ALBUQUERQUE INTEREST FAITH. I AM CALLING TODAY TO URGE CITY COUNCIL TO TAKE BOLD ACTION REGARDING EVALUATION YOU ARE UNDERTAKING AS IT PERTAINS TO THE APD BUDGET AND I ASKED DECISIONS BE GROUNDED IN HUMAN DIG KNIT. THIS IS A TIME TO REDESIGN HOW WE HANDLE CONFLICT IN THE COMMUNITY AND SOCIETY. AT LARGE. MAINTAINING STATUS QUO IS NOT ACCEPTABLE AND WILL CONTINUE TO RESULT IN HORRIBLE AND TRAGIC POLICING OUTCOMES WE HAVE SEEN PLAYED OUT IN THE LOCAL AND NATIONAL STAGES. FULLY SUPPORT RESOLUTION 65 AND THE SECOND ITEM OR THE SECOND ITEM AND I ALSO LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM THE CITY ADMINISTRATION REGARDING THE NEWLY DEFINED COMMUNITY SAFETY PART. I WILL FOCUS ON MEMORIAL 3. AS I STATED, NOW IS TIME TO TAKE BOLD ACTION AND NOT MAINTAIN STATUS QUO. THAT SEEMS TO BE THE DIRECTION AND INTENT OF THE MEMORIAL. I ALSO HAVE ISSUES WITH SEVERAL CLAUSES IN MEMORIAL. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ENUMERATE THOSE WITH MORE THAN TWO MINUTES. 1 STATES WHEREAS U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CONCLUDED APD DID NOT HAVE A SYSTEM I CAN PROBLEM IN REGARDS TO RACISM. I CHALLENGE THE SPONSOR SOUR TO PRODUCE THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CONCLUSION. I AM NOT AWARE OF ANY. IT IS CERTAINLY IS NOT IN THE FINDINGS LETTER FROM 2014, I BELIEVE, APRIL OF 2014. SO, I QUESTION THAT STATEMENT AND ESPECIALLY AS IT REFERS TO,. >> YOUR TIME IS UP. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER IS KEN. PLEASE MUTE YOURSELF AND FEEL FREE TO TURN ON YOUR VIDEO. 2 MINUTES START WHEN YOU BEGIN. >> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. FIRST OF ALL I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR BRINGING UP THE ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION AS THEY ARE MUCH NEEDED. I WOULD REALLY -- WE KNOW THESE ARE ONLY BEGINNINGS OF THE CONVERSATION. AS THE DISCUSSION CONTINUES I IMPLORE YOU TO PROACTIVE SEEK INSIGHT. THE MENTION OF THIS COMMITTEE WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE MAYOR DURING A FEW SPEECHES, THE DATE AND TIME AND HOW TO FIND THE ZOOM LINK WERE INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO ACQUIRE. AT A TIME WHEN INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY IS ACCESSIBLE NO EXCUSE TO USE THOSE PLATFORMS TO ANNOUNCE THESE MEETINGS. LACK OF ACCESSIBLE INFORMATION MERELY OVERSIGHT OR TRADITIONAL WAY IN WHICH THE COUNCIL OPERATED IT NEEDS TO BE DONE BETTER. >> I IMPLORE YOU TO NOT BE SATISFIED FOR USUAL CONSTITUENTS TO SEEK YOU OUT. IF YOU WANT TO DO THE REAL WORK OF DISMANTLES RACISM AND ENDING POVERTY IN OUR CITY WE MUST EMPOWER SMALLEST VOICES TO BE HEARD. DON'T WAIT UNTIL THEY FIND US IN OUR HIDDEN PLACES, BRING THE PLATFORM TO THE PEOPLE SO THEY MAY BE SPEAK AND BE HEARD. THANK YOU FOR THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TODAY. >> THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MYAFLAHERTY. TWO MINUTES START ONCE YOU BEGIN SPEAKING. >> MYRA: GREAT, THANK YOU. CAN YOU SEE ME? CAN YOU HEAR ME? THANK YOU COMMITTEE MEMBERS FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I AM ALSO WHAT THE SIERRA CLUB, RIO GRANDE CHAPTER. IT MIGHT SEEM TODD HAVE ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATION COMMENTING. WE WANT TO SUPPORT WET LAND, ECOSYSTEMS OTHER URBAN SETTINGS, EVERY PERSON SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIVE WITH FULL DIGNITY AND RESPECT. POLICING POLICIES HAVE CREATED ENVIRONMENTS WHERE THIS IS NOT THE CASE AND HAVE PERPETUATED SYSTEMIC RACISM. POLICE FORCES HAVE ESCALATED INCIDENTS WITH I HAVEVILLIANS THAT HAVE LED TO LOSS OF LIFE. >> SO WE SUPPORT THIS RESOLUTION TO END MILITARY SURPLUS PROGRAM AND IT IS TIME FOR OUR POLICE FORCES TO DISCONTINUE USING MILITARY EQUIPMENT. NOW IS THE TIME TO ROR REACTS AND RETHINK POLICING AND BRING A SHARED VISION WITH COMMUNITY SAFETY THAT ACTUALLY WORKS. THANK YOU. >> OUR NEXT SPEAKER. >> THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE. MY NAME IS, THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE STUDIES THAT SHOW THAT POLICE DEPARTMENTS RECEIVING FROM THE MILITARY PROGRAM HAVE HIGHER RATES OF OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS AND KILL MORE CIVILIANS. TWO SUCH STUDY OF SHOWING THAT PUBLISHED IN THE. >> SUPPORT THE COMMITTEE'S INITIATIVE. THANK YOU. >> WILL NEXT IS DIANE MCCASH. TWO MINUTES START WHEN YOU BEGIN SPEAKING. >> MCCASH: THANK YOU. I BELIEVE THAT WE SPEND WAY TOO MUCH OF OUR CITY BUDGET ON APD. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT AT THE VERY LEAST THAT WE TAKE THE BUDGET FOR THE COMMUNITY SAFETY DEPARTMENT FROM APD'S PROPOSED BUDGET AND NOT FROM ELSEWHERE. OUR COMMUNITY IS IN DIRE STRAITS. THAT IS TIME WHEN EVEN MORE THAN EVER LESS MONEY SHOULD BE SPENT ON POLICING AND MORE ON I'M PACKING OUR COMMUNITY. HOUSING AND SOCIAL SECURITIER TOO HUGE NEEDS WE NEED TO ADDRESS AND RESPONSE IS NOT ADEQUATE. STUDENTS NEED EDUCATION AND WHILE STEMMING THE IDEA OF THE PANDEMIC AND KEEPING SAFE IS A TREMENDOUS CHALLENGES. PEOPLE ARE DROWNING OUT HERE. IF WE'RE MORE POLICE AND KEEP RESPONDING TO EVENTS AFTER THEY HAPPEN, MORE PEOPLE WILL SUFFER. IF WE SPEND OUR TIME CREATIVELY AND MONEY CREATE IRVING BOULEVARDLY PROVIDING FAMILIES WITH WHAT THEY NEED, THEY COULD SAVE THEMSELVESES AND WOULDN'T BE DROWNING IN THE FIRST PLACE. SAYING NO TO APD'S BUDGET MEANS SAYING YES TO OUR COMMUNITY. WE WON'T DO THIS BY CONTINUING ON POLICING AS A SOLUTION. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE HAS ACCESS TO WHAT WE ALL NEED TO LIVER. I WANT TO SUPPORT THE MOTION THAT MILITARY EQUIPMENT AND TACTICS HAVE NO PLACE IN SERVING THE PUBLIC. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU. NEXT IS ANNA MOORE. >> ANNA: THANK YOU FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. I AM ONE OF THE CONSTITUENTS. I DON'T SUPPORT THE MEMORIAL OF THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 20. THIS CURRENT INVESTIGATIONS GOING INTO ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT, HOW CAN WE BE SO EAGER TO SUPPORT THEM. HOW CAN WE SEND MORE MONEY TO A DEPARTMENT THAT IS UNDER INVESTIGATION 4 POTENTIAL MISUSE OF FUND AND A LACK OF TRANSPARENCY IN OVERTIME. PART OF THE REASON TO PUSH 4 NEXT AGENDA ITEM. REQUIRING POLICE TO PROVIDE INVENTORY OF EQUIPMENT IS ONE WAY WE SUPPORT THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I ALSO THINK THAT WE REQUIRE INVENTORY TO BE DETAILED. I WANTED TO EXPRESS THAT I DON'T SUPPORT THE MEMORIAL AND I DO SUPPORT THAT WE PUSH FOR TRANSPARENCY IN THE FUNDING. THANK YOU. >> NEXT SPEAKER IS AARON M AMOUNT DDEN. >> AARON: I AM PROFFER AT UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO. IN THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERNAL MEDICINE. I WAS STRUCK BY THE MEMORIAL EXPRESSING SUPPORT FOR APD BUDGET IN WHICH MONEY FOR 100 NEW OFFICERS WAS PLEDGED IN 2021 BUDGET ALL WHILE EDUCATORS ARE LIKING TO FACING BUDGET CUTS FOR YEARS TO COME, STRUCK BY THIS STATEMENT, WHEREAS U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE CONCLUDED APD DID NOT HAVE A SYSTEMIC PROBLEMS IN REGARDS TO RACISM. I WANT THE COUNCIL TO KNOW THAT WORKING ON RACISM IS A LIFETIME, FOR EVER PROCESS. YOU DON'T JUST GET A ONE TIME RULING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT DECLARES ORGANIZATION NOT RACIST AND MOVE ON. THAT IS NOT HOW THIS WORKS. POLICE ARE PEOPLE AND THEY ARE PEOPLE WHO GREW UP IN A RACIST SOCIETY DEALING WITH 100 YEARS OF THIS. POLICE AND ALL OF US MYSELF INCLUDED HAVE SYSTEMIC RACISM PROBLEM TO WORK ON. IT SHOULD NOT BE THE JOB TO PAT POLICE ON THE BACK BUT ASK WHAT ARE YOU DOING NOW AND GOING FORWARD. I POLICED STARTED SLAVE PATROLS, TODAY REGULARLY SHOW US IN ALBUQUERQUE AND BEYOND THEY VALUE INTERESTS OF THE WEALTHY OVER HUMAN LIFE ESPECIALLY IF IS POOR, BLACK OUR BROWN. WE NEED YOU TO FINALLY TAKE MOVES TOWARDS DEFUNDING POLICE NOT JUST CREATING ADDITIONAL SERVICES WHILE KEEPING POLICE AROUND. POLICE BUDGET MUST BE INVESTED THAT I KNOW FROM SCIENCE CREATE HEALTHY COMMUNITIES. IT NEEDS TO BE INVESTED IN POOR BLACKBAND INDIGENOUS THE COMMUNITIES OF OUR CITY. >> USUAL >> YOUR TIME IS UP. >> TOM SOLOMON: THANK YOU. I AM HERE WITH 350 NEW MEXICO AND I SPEAK TODAY ON BEHALF OF THEM AND MYSELF IN FAVOR OF PASSING RESOLUTION 65 PROHIBITING AND'S USE OF SURPLUS MILITARY EQUIPMENT. THE REST LOUIS STATES THAT MILITARYIZATION OF POLICE ERODES TRUST AND LEADS TO VIOLENCE. I AGREE. OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS A CIVILIAN AGENCY, POLICE OFFICERS THERE TO SERVE AND PROTECT COMMUNITY AS MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY NOT AS WARRIORS AFFIRMED WARRIORS ARMED TO ATTACK IT. A HUGE VEHICLE BUILT FOR THE IRAQ WHAT YOU IRAQ WAR HAS NO PLACE ON OUR STREETS. >> MANY PEOPLE ARE AFRAID TO CALL THE POLICE 4 HELP. PASSING THIS RESOLUTION IS ONE SMALL STEP TOWARDS MAKING THIS HAPPEN AND I URGE A YES VOTE, THANK YOU. >> NEXT IS BARON JONES. >> BARON: THANK YOU. THANKS FOR ALL THE SPEAKER. GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM (INAUDIBLE) FOR ACLU. PROUD MEMBER OF THE COALITION, ACLU STANDS IN OPPOSITION OF THE MEMORIAL NO. 3 AND WOULD LIKE TO THIS BODY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT REDIRECT RESOURCES FROM APD'S MORE THAN 200 MILLION BUDGET AND ALLOCATE THEM TOWARD PROGRAMS AND INITIATIVES THAT RESULT IN FEWER ARMED POLICE OFFICERS RESPONDING TO CALLS. WE HAVE TRULY BEEN SETTING APD UP FOR FAILURE WHEN WE INSIST THE OFFICERS RESPOND TO CALLS THEY ARE NOT TRAINED FOR. (INAUDIBLE). >> I ALSO WANT TO SAY WE TRULY SUPPORT THE EFFORTS IN OUR PARTICIPATION IN THE 1033 PROGRAM AND NOT TO REPEAT EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID BEFORE ME BUT THE , MILITARY EQUIPMENT DOES NOT BELONG ON URBAN STREETS BUT JUST INTIMIDATES AND SEPARATES US VERSUS THEM AND WE NEED TO MOVE AWAY FROM THAT IF WE WANT TO SEE PROGRESS ESPECIALLY IN CHALLENGING RACISM. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THAT CONCLUDES ALL THE SPEAKERS THAT SHOWED UP TO THE MEETING. WE HAD EIGHT PEOPLE THAT SIGNED UP TO SPEAK THAT DID NOT JOIN THE ZOOM MEETING. SO THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. >> Coun. Sena: THANK YOU FOR THAT. I DO WANT TO RECOGNIZE COUNCILLOR BENTON SINCE HE DOES HAVE HIS HAND UP. >> Coun. Benton: THANK YOU. I JUST DID WANT TO RESPOND TO THE SPEAKER WITH REGARD TO THE TRANSPARENCY OUR LACK THEREOF OF THESE MEETINGS. THAT THIS MIGHT BEING SOME PRACTICE OF THE COUNCIL TO HIDE WHAT WE ARE DOING. I WANT TO SAY MY MANY YEARS ON THE COUNCIL I HAVE, I HAVE NEVER SEEN INTENTIONAL OBFUSCATION OF WHAT WE ARE UP TO IN MEETINGS. WE DO KNOW DURING PANDEMIC THIS IS A NEW REALITY AND TRYING TO WORK OUR MIDWAY IT. >> SO, IT DOES HAVE TO BE SOME HURD I WILLS TO GETTING INVOLVED BUT I WANTED TO JUST COUNTER THAT INSINUATIONS FROM THAT SPEAKER. THANK YOU. >> Coun. Sena: I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT PUBLIC COMMENTERS ARE NOW BEING MOVED OUT OF THE ZOOM MEETING AT THIS TIME BUT CAN CONTINUE TO OBSERVE VIA YOUTUBE, CHANNEL 16 OR GOVTV ON LINE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC COMMENTS. >> WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA. COUNCILOR BASSAN WOULD YOU LIKE TO PRESENT THAT? >> Councilor Bassan: YES, THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE M3 EXPRESSING SUPPORT FOR THE BUDGET APPROPRIATIONS AS STATED IN THE CITY'S FY 20 BUDGET PRIORITIES. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION. I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT DESERVES FULL ATTENTION AND NOT JUST THE COMMITTEE. I ALSO AFTER MAYBE I GOT A SECOND IT LOOKS LIKE, SO, I AM HOPING THAT WE CAN CALL ON MR. AGUILAR WITH THE CITY SO THAT WAY HE CAN ANSWER A COUPLE OF THE CONSTITUENTS COMMENTS REGARDING PART OF WHAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE MEMORIAL. IS THAT ALL RIGHT? >> Coun. Sena: COUNCILOR JONES THAT A HAND RAISE OUR A SECOND. >> Coun. Jones: THAT WAS SECOND. >> 17 >> AGUILAR: HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS I CAN. I ALSO KNOW ADMINISTRATION AND APD YOU'RE HERE. >> Councilor Bassan: IT IS WRITTEN IN THE MEMORIAL THAT DOJ DID NOT FIND A SYSTEMIC PROBLEM WITH RACISM HERE IN REGARDS TO APD. IT IS IN QUESTION THAT IS NOT TRUE OR WRITTEN IN ANY DOCUMENT. IF YOU CAN CLARIFY I WOULD BE GRATEFUL. >> AGUILAR: THANK YOU IT IS ACCURATE TO SAY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE DID NOT FIND THAT APD HAD A SYSTEM I IC PROBLEM WITH RACISM. >> Councilor Bassan: THANK YOU FOR HELPING CLARIFY THAT THERE IS NOTHING INAPPROPRIATE OR MISLEADING INSIDE OF THAT MEMORIAL. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO MOVE THIS WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION SO THAT WAY THE FULL COUNCIL CAN HEAR IT. I LEAVE THAT UP TO WHEN IT IS TIME TO GO THAT ROUTE. >> Coun. Sena: COUNCILLOR BENTON. >> Coun. Sena: ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN, IT CONCLUDED THAT THE APD DID NOT HAVE A SYSTEMIC PROBLEM IN REGARDS TO RACISM. THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN SAYING THEY DID NOT FIND A PROBLEM WITH RACISM IN THEIR LETTER. >> AGUILAR: THAT IS CORRECT. >> Coun. Sena: COUNCILOR DAVIS? >> Coun. Davis: I DO HAVE AMENDMENT TO OFFER WHEN GENERAL DISCUSSION IS DONE. >> Coun. Sena: COUNCILOR JONES WAS THAT FURTHER DISCUSSION? >> Coun. Jones: YES PLEASE. THANK YOU. THIS IS AGAIN ONE OF THOSE BIG ISSUES AND TO HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS COME BEFORE THE COMMITTEE IS ONCE AGAIN ALL THE PEOPLE TESTIFYING TODAY WANT TO HEAR MORE AND WANT TO BE IN FRONT OF MORE I BELIEVE IT IS ESSENTIAL WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING THIS IMPORTANT AN ISSUE THAT WE DO TAKE IT IN FRONT OF THE FULL COUNCIL AND PROBABLY MORE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE PAYING ATTENTION. I SUPPORT COUNCILORS WITH RESPECT TO TAKING THIS TO THE FULL COUNCIL. >> Coun. Sena: THANK YOU FOR THAT. I HAVE SOME DIFFICULTIES ON MY END. WITHOUT FURTHER COMMENT, COUNCILOR DAVIS DID YOU WANT TO INTRODUCE AMENDMENTS. >> Coun. Davis: THANK YOU. IF IT IS OKAY AND IT IS AVAILABLE I WOULD ASK MR. MOYA SHARE A COPY WHAT I PROPOSE AS FLOOR AMENDMENT NO. 1 TO M 20-3. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER STRIKES THE FOLLOWING PAGE 1 LINES 3 THROUGH 4, 1, LINE 17 THROUGH 26, PAGE 2, 1 THROUGH 33, ON PAGE 3, 1 THROUGH 6, AND ON PAGE 5, SHOULD BE 1 THROUGH 13, I BELIEVE. THAT WOULD OPEN IT UP AND BEGIN WITH MEMORIALIZED AND THEN ON PAGE 3 LINE 18 DELETE AND ABOUT REPLACE WITH A PERIOD STRIKING REMAINDER OF 18 FLEW 20. WHAT THIS DOES, THIS REMOVERS REFERENCES TO THE CITY FY 20 BUDGET PRIORITIES. AS WE JUST HEARD IN OUR COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING, APD PLANS TO CARRY VACANCY OF OVER 100 YEARS AND WE UNDERSTAND THE DEPARTMENT HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO FILL THE OFFICERS WE FUNDED. BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE HAVE AND INTEREST IN RIGHT SIZING APD I WOULD FEEL THAT IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR US NOT TO EXPRESS RENEWED SUPPORT FOR ADDING ANOTHER 100 NEXT YEAR. ADDITIONALLY, THIS AMENDMENT WOULD REMOVE LANGUAGE THAT SORT OF AS WRITTEN, IMPLIES APOA IS ADVERSE TO THE DEPARTMENT THAT WE CREATED IT BUT WE SUPPORT APD SORT OF IN LIEU OF OUR IN ADDITION TO. I THINK THAT CREATES AND EXTENDS DRAMA OR THE CONFLICT BETWEEN THOSE AGENCIES WHEN IN FACT CPOA IS CRITICAL. I DON'T THINK IT NECESSARY WE AFFIRM LEGAL THAT RIGHT CARRY FIREARM. THAT IS AT MOST EXTREME END OF USE OF FORCE CONTINUUM. IT DOESN'T' FIRM SUPPORT FOR ALL THE WORK DEPARTMENT HAS DONE ON CIT, DEESCALATION AND LESS LETHAL USES OF FORCE. WE WOULD AFFIRM SUPPORT FOR OFFICERS AND IMPORTANT RULE THEY SERVE SO I WOULD OFFER IT AS AN AMENDMENT. >> Coun. Benton: SECOND. MADAM CHAIR IF I COULD, JUST BACKING UP MY SECOND ON THIS. I APPRECIATED BARON'S COMMENT ABOUT FAIRNESS AND WHAT WE ASK OF OUR OFFICERS. I WANT TO SAY CATEGORICALLY I SUPPORT OUR OFFICERS AND STILL DO, BUT THIS IS EXACTLY THE WRONG TIME FOR THIS BILL, IN GENERAL. I AM NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THE BILL REGARDLESS BUT I WILL SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT B ECAUSE, WELL I SUPPORT THE BILL WITH THIS AMENDMENT. THE IDEA THAT WE ARE GOING TO IN THE CURRENT BUDGET OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, I AM DUMB FOUNDED BUT I MEAN THE IDEA THAT AT THIS TIME IN THIS CITY'S HISTORY AND I DO COMMEND THE HARD WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE ON THE CASA AND THERE IS MORE TO BE DONE. BUT, MR. JONES' COMMENTS ABOUT THE FAIRNESS OF SENDING ARMED OFFICERS A SITUATION WITH OR WITHOUT THE CRISIS TRAINING, REALLY ISN'T APPROPRIATES USE OF THEIR MAN POWER AND TALENT. WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND DO IT THIS YEAR. I STRONGLY SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT. THANK YOU. >> Coun. Sena: COUNCILOR BASSAN? >> Councilor Bassan: THANK YOU. SO, JUST TO CLARIFY ON HIS THREE LINES 1 THROUGH 6, IT WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE A CLARIFICATION THAT THIS IS PROMISING ANYTHING FROM HERE ON OUT INTO FUTURE. RECOGNIZING THE FACT AND POUR ANSWER WE HAVE WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICERS, WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT WE DID MAKE A PROMISE AND COMMITMENT TO ACHIEVE THIS RESULT BECAUSE CRIME IS OF IMPORTANCE TO THE CITY AND FOR THE RIGHTS OF THE CITIZENS AND WHAT THEY HAVE EXPRESSED, ESPECIALLY PRIOR TO COVID-19, IT IS NOT MAKING THAT PROMISE IS WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE ON WITH EVERY YEAR HIRING NEW OFFICERS, IT IS RECOGNIZES INTENTIONS THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY SAID. I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT, I AM OPEN TO NOT NECESSARILY ELIMINATING IT BUT AT THE SAME TIME MAKING IT CLEARER. YOU KNOW, MY CONCERN IS, I REALLY WANT TO LOOK AT THESE THINGS WITH THE AMENDMENT BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE ARE TAKING OUT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I REALLY WANTED TO HAVE IN THERE AND I WANT US TO EXPRESS OUR SUPPORT. I THINK IT SEEMS THAT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE UNDER A LOT OF SCRUTINY AND THAT IS UNDERSTANDABLE AND ALSO THAT THIS IS A TIME TO RECOGNIZE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW WE DO BELIEVE IN AND SUPPORT THEM GIVEN WHAT WE HAVE SAID OR PROMISED FROM THE PAST. NOT THAT IT IS ONLY JUST TRYING TO BE EXTRAVAGANT COMMENTARY BUT WE DO SUPPORT THEM AND WANT THEM TO CONTINUE DOING IT. I NEED SOMETIME TO LOOK AT THIS AMENDMENT AND TO RE-EVALUATE IT FURTHER. >> Coun. Sena: THANK YOU. DID I HAVE SOME COMMENTS BUT GOING TO RECOGNIZE COUNCILOR JONES. >> Coun. Jones: THIS IS PT A BIG ISSUE THAT DOES ANYTHING BUT A BIG ISSUE AND MEMORIAL THAT MAKES A STATEMENT FOR THE ENTIRE COUNCIL. I THINK IT IS INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE COMMITTEE TO MAKE IT WITHOUT HEARING FROM THE COUNCIL. I BELIEVE BEFORE WE DO THIS, THE ENTIRE COUNCIL NEEDS TO WEIGH IN AND PEOPLE THAT WE HEARD WHO CALLED IN, OBVIOUSLY, MORE PEOPLE WANT TO BE AWARE OF IT. NOT EVERYONE WATCHES THE COMMITTEE MEETING, SO UNLESS WE ARE AFRAID THIS, LET'S LEAVE IT AT IS AND GET IT OUT IN FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY. THANK YOU. >> Coun. Sena: I DO THINK THAT (INAUDIBLE) IS SOMETHING THAT I AM WILLING TO SUPPORT. IT IS TRUE THAT AS WE MAKE OUR BUDGET EVALUATIONS CURRENTLY SAYING THAT WE AFFIRM ONE DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET AND NOT AFFIRMING THE OTHERS AND HAVING THE SAME CONSIDERATIONS, I THINK IT IS UNTIMELY. ALSO TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES SO, I DO BELIEVE THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT DESERVES SUPPORT. THEY HAVE STEPPED UP AND HAVE MADE MANY STRIDES OVER THE YEARS BUT ALSO TO NOTE THAT THEY ARE STEPPING UP IN OTHER WAYS DURING THIS PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY, SO WE DO SUPPORT THEM IN THOSE EFFORTS. HOWEVER, I THINK THAT JUST AFFIRMING OUR SUPPORT IN THEIR BUDGET WITHOUT DISCUSSION IN THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, THAT I THINK IT IS MORE APPROPRIATE AS AMENDED. I AM GOING TO, ON THE FLOOR IS THE AMENDMENT. >> WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO TAKE THE ROLL CALL VOTE AT THIS TIME. >> Coun. Sena: IF THERE IS NO OTHER DISCUSSION I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE VOTE. >> COMMITTEE NO. 1 TO M3, COUNCILOR. >> Councilor Bassan: NO. >> Coun. Benton: YES. >> Coun. Davis: YES. >> Coun. Jones: NO. >> Coun. Sena: YES. THAT PASSES ON A 3-2 VOTE. >> COUNCILOR SENA YOU CAN CALL FOR DISCUSSION AND WE CAN TAKE A VOTE ON THE MEMORIAL AS AMENDED. >> Coun. Davis: COUNCILOR BASSAN. WITH THIS AMENDMENT I THINK WE COULD GET A UNANIMOUS VOTE AND HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THOSE OTHER BUDGET ISSUES. I THINK MADAM CHAIR MADE EXCELLENT SUMMATION FOR ALL THOSE REASONS, WITH THAT AS AMENDED, I FULLY SUPPORT THIS LEGISLATION AND WOULD DOUGH WITH A RECOMMENDATION IF YOU WANTED TO TO CHANGE YOUR MOTION. THANK YOU FOR WORKING ON THIS. >> Coun. Sena: COUNCILLOR BENTON? >> Coun. Benton: THANK YOU. JUST TO REITERATE, I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THIS BILL AS AMENDED. JUST FOR STRAIGHT OUT FACTUAL ERRORS IN THE BILL AS PREVIOUSLY PRESENTED, IF COUNCILOR BASSAN WOULD LIKE TO BRING THOSE BACK IN SOME WAY AS PART OF THE BILL AT COUNCIL, I AM CERTAINLY OPEN TO LISTENING TO THOSE ARGUMENT BUT, I MEAN, AS AMENDED, WE HAVE REMOVED QUITE A FEW WHEREAS' AND STATEMENTS IN MY OPINION THAT IN AND OF THEMSELVES WERE NOT SUPPORTIVE OF INTENT EXPAND AND MAINTAIN A DEPARTMENT AS YOU SAID, MADAM CHAIR, DURING A DIFFICULT TIME. THERE IS SO MANY THINGS WRONG WITH THAT I HAVE DIFFICULTY WITH IT. BUT IF THE SPONSOR WANTS TO AMEND SOME THINGS BACK IN, I AM HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IT. THANK YOU. >> Coun. Sena: THANK YOU FOR THAT. I WANT TO BRING IT BACK TO THE SPONSOR. COUNCILOR BASSAN, ANY OTHER TOPICS BEFORE WE VOTE ON THE MEMORIAL AS AMENDED? >> Councilor Bassan: THANK YOU. JUST THANK YOU ALL FOR SEEING INTENT OF THIS. I AM VERY GRATEFUL THAT YOU SEE TRULY WHAT I AM TRYING TO DO AND TO SUPPORT IN A TIME WHERE THERE IS SO MUCH NEGATIVITY. LET'S GRASP POSSIBLETIVITY AND SEND IT OUT THERE INTO THE WORLD AND SUPPORT WHERE WE CAN. I APPRECIATE THAT. I DO ALSO AS MUCH AS I WANT TO NORMALLY MOVE THINGS WITH RECOMMENDATIONS, THIS ONE WE NEED TO ALLOW FELLOW COUNCILORS TO BE INVOLVED IN THE DECISION AND ACCURATELY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE VOTING 4 ON FULL COUNCIL. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION SO WE ALLOW THAT OPPORTUNITY FOR FURTHER EVALUATION OF THE BILL. >> Coun. Sena: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR JONES? >> Coun. Jones: THAT WAS IT. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE (INAUDIBLE). >> Coun. Sena: MS. ORTEGA CAN WE DO THE ROLL CALL VOTE FOR A RECOMMENDATION WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION. >> AS AMENDED YES. >> Councilor Bassan: YES. >> Coun. Benton: YES. >> Coun. Davis: YES. >> Coun. Jones: YES. >> Coun. Sena: YES. >> THAT PASSES ON A 5-0 VOTE WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION AS AMENDED TO THE FULL COUNCIL. >> Coun. Sena: THANK YOU FOR THAT. NEXT ITEM IS R-65, COUNCILOR DAVIS? >> Coun. Davis: I AM HAPPY TO. THANK YOU. MOVE DO PASS ON R-65 PROHIBITING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FROM APPLYING FOR OR RECEIVING SURPLUS MILITARY EQUIPMENT FOR USE IN OUR CITY AND REQUIRING THE POLICE TO PROVIDE AN INVENTORY OF THAT. >> Coun. Sena: ANY DISCUSSION? >> Councilor Bassan: THANK YOU. I JUST FOR THE SAME REASONS EVEN WITH THIS MEMORIAL, I THINK THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC THAT TOUCHES ALL ASPECTS OF ALBUQUERQUE AND INCREDIBLY VALID AND A REALLY GOOD USE OF OUR TIME TO MAKE SURE THE FULL COUNCIL ALSO HEARS THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION ON THIS AS WELL. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL COUNCILORS THAT PROBABLY HAVE THEIR OPINIONS AND SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHIME IN ON THIS TO BE THERE FOR ALL OF ALBUQUERQUE. >> Coun. Davis: I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT HERE, THANKS TO COUNCILOR FOR THAT. IT IS GENERALLY MY PREFERENCE THAT OUR COMMITTEE MAKES RECOMMENDATION FOR THE COUNCIL BUT IF MY MOTION FAILS I CERTAINLY SUPPORT ONE WITH NO RECOMMENDATION AS WELL. I'LL PRESERVE MY MOTION. ON THE BROADER SENSE, I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH CHAIR JOINING ME IN THIS EFFORT. QUITE FRANKLY SUPPORT OF ADMINISTRATION. EARLY ON IN THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT WERE THE RIGHT THINGS TO DO IN ORDER TO PUT DEPARTMENT FURTHER ON THE RIGHT FOOT FOR CONSTITUTIONAL AND COMMUNITY POLICING, THIS WAS A QUICK AND EASY ONE FOR THE MAYOR TO TALK ABOUT AND DECIDE. WITH THE CHAIR WE SORT OF DEVELOPED A PROCESS. HARRIS WHY THIS THE FEDERAL 1033 PROGRAM IS ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT PROGRAMS AND WIDELY USED FOR ALMOST TWO DECADES. WHEN I WAS A COP IN WASHINGTON, D.C.AFTER 911 EVERY DEPARTMENT IN THE COUNTRY WAS BEING CHARGED WITH BEEFING UP AND BEING READY FOR TERRORISM, USING MILITARY GRADE EQUIPMENT WAS THE WAY THEY DID THAT. WE SAW THE ,000, SAW THE MILITAT READILY AVAILABLE. AGENCIES WERE REQUIRED TO USE EQUIPMENT IF THEY APPLIED FOR IT. EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE A TERRORIST ATTACK YOU ARE REQUIRED TO USE THIS EQUIPMENT AND DID CONTRIBUTE TO REVERSING THE TREND FROM CLINTON ADMINISTRATION'S EMPHASIS ON COPS PROGRAMS, COMMUNITY POLICING, TO HELP AGENCIES HERE BEAT COPS, LOTS OF THAT COPS MONEY WAS REPURPOSED FOR MILITARIZATION PROGRAM. IN 2015, THE PRESIDENT OBAMA ESSENTIALLY ENDED THE PROGRAM BY EXECUTIVE ORDER BUT THIS CURRENT PRESIDENT RESCINDED THAT AND GIVEN RHETORIC ABOUT ENCOURAGING LOCAL POLICE AND CITY COUNCILS TO GET TOUGH ON PROTESTS, TO MILITARIZE OUR CITY I THINK IT IS POUR THAT ALBUQUERQUE TAKE A STAND THAT WE WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROGRAM. HASN'T BEEN NECESSARY FOR US TO DO THAT UNTIL THIS RHETORIC FROM DC COMES OUT AND WE HAVE SAID PUBLICLY EQUIPMENT WE HAVE NOW IS NOT IN USE BUT THIS ENSURES NEXT MAYOR OR CHIEF UNDER THIS OR A NEW PRESIDENT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ENCOURAGE US TO PARTICIPATE. THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANY PRACTICAL IMPACT ON THE DAY-TO-DAY LIFE OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUT LONG-TERM SEND US ON THE RIGHT TRACK. I WANTED TO EXPLAIN TO THOSE WATCHING AT HOME WHY THIS IS SO IMPORTANT. >> Coun. Sena: NEXT UP IS COUNCILOR JONES. >> Coun. Jones: COUNCILOR DAVIS AS MUCH AS I RESPECT WHAT YOU SAID THIS DOES NOT PROHIBIT FURTHER ADMINISTRATIONS OR FURTHER POLICE DEPARTMENTS FROM USING THIS EQUIPMENT. IT WOULD SIMPLY REQUIRE A VOTE TO REALLOW. SO THIS IS NOT A PERMANENT ACTION OR COULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A PERMANENT ACTION BUT I CONTEMPLATE IT WILL STAND THROUGH THIS ADMINISTRATION AND PROBABLY THROUGH ADMINISTRATION RIGHT NOW. SLIGHT CORRECTION FOR PEOPLE WATCHING AND THINKING THIS COULD AND MIGHT LAST FOR A LIFETIME. >> Coun. Sena: DO I TO MENTION, I DO WANT TO MENTION IN WORKING WITH COUNCILOR DAVIS IT IS IMPORTANT THAT EQUIPMENT THAT HAS BEEN USED ON THE BATTLE FIELD DOES NOT END UP IN OUR STREETS. WE TAKE EVALUATION OF THAT. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR ADMINISTRATION. ON THIS RESOLUTION BECAUSE WE DID LINEUP SOME OF THE INVENTORY WE HAD FROM OUR UNDERSTANDING BUT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION SIDE, IS THIS UPDATED KIND OF SUPPLY I NVENTORY OR IS THERE AN UPDATED ONE? >> GOOD MORNING. COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION. SO I AM ON THE SAME PAGE? >> Coun. Sena: YES. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BUT MY QUESTION WAS TO SAY THAT IS THERE UPDATED LIST ON THE LIST OF EQUIPMENT WE HAVE. >> THE LIST YOU GUYS HAVE, IF IT IS ONE I SENT TO CHAIN OF COMMAND, THAT IS UPDATED LIST. >> Coun. Sena: THANK YOU. >> Coun. Davis: COULD I ASK A POINT OF CLARIFICATION? >> Coun. Sena: YES. >> Coun. Davis: THANK YOU. LIEUTENANT WALLACE JUST FROM ADMINISTRATION IF I COULD CLARIFY, I DO UNDERSTAND LIEUTENANT WALLACE SENT A MORE UPDATED VISIONER TO ADMINISTRATION. U P D ATED VERSION BUT I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT GETS FORWARDED TO THE FULL COUNCIL. >> YES, SIR, WE WILL FORWARD IT. I AM LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENCE AND WHAT IS CLOSED AND OPEN. THE OPEN MEANS THAT WE ACTUALLY STILL HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY OR HAVE TO, OPEN AND CLOSED MEANS THAT IF IT IS CLOSED IT MEANS WE CAN DISPOSE OF IT HOWEVER WE WANT, HOWEVER WE HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY OF IT. OPEN MEANS WE STILL HAVE ABILITY TO SEND IT BACK TO THE STATE. IF THAT MAKES SENSE. A COUPLE ITEMS THAT HAVE THAT YOUR MRAP. THAT WILL NEVER CLOSE, ALWAYS BE OPEN UNTIL WE DISPOSE OF IT. SAME WITH THE UNMANNED VEHICLE ROBOT. THAT IS THE SAME. IT WILL NEVER CLOSE. THOSE TWO ITEMS ARE TICKET ITEMS THAT THEY CAN ONLY GO BACK TO THE STATE. >> Coun. Davis: THANK YOU. >> Coun. Sena: THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. CAN YOU REMIND ME WHAT IS ON THE FLOOR RIGHT NOW. >> COUNCILOR DAVIS MADE MOTION FOR DO PASS OF R-65 TO WHICH YOU SECONDED. >> Coun. Sena: I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT VOTE IF THERE IS NO OTHER DISCUSSION. >> WILL. >> Councilor Bassan: NO. >> Coun. Benton: YES. >> Coun. Davis: YES. >> Coun. Jones: NO. >> Coun. Sena: YES. THAT PASSES ON A 3-2 VOTE. FLUSH. >> Coun. Sena: ALL RIGHT. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS PRESENTATION FROM THE ADMINISTRATION REGARDING THE ALBUQUERQUE COMMUNITY SAFETY DEPARTMENT. >> THANK YOU COMMITTEE CHAIR. CAN EVERYBODY HEAR US. GREAT. >> NAIR: THANK YOU 4 INVITING US TO MAKE THIS PRESENTATION TODAY. I HAVE WITH ME TODAY DEPUTY FIRE CHIEF JARAMILLO OVER SIGHING EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT FOR THE DEPARTMENT AND CLOSELY INVOLVED IN HELPING US BRIDGE BETWEEN OUR FAMILY AND SOCIAL SERVICE WORLDS AND OUR PUBLIC SAFETY WORLD ON SOME OF THE REALLY TECHNICAL ISSUES. SHE IS GOING TO JOIN ME IN THE PRESENTATION. AND MYELLA ALSO IS WORKING CLOSEICALLY ON THIS PROJECT FOCUSED ON COMMUNITY OUTREACH. SHE HAD A CONFLICT BUT MAYBE JOIN US LATER. SO, DO I JUST SAY NEXT WHEN I WANT THE SLIDE TO MOVE. SO, THIS IS JUST OVERVIEW OF THE DEPARTMENT. WE ARE FOCUSINGED ON GETTING THE RIGHT RESPONSE TO THE RIGHT CALLS. THIS THINGS THAT MAKES THIS DIFFERENT THAN SOME OF THE THINGS WE ARE ALREADY DOING IS THAT WE REALLY WANT THIS TO BE A TRUE CO-EQUAL BRANCH OF PUBLIC SAFETY. WE WERE CALLING IT THE THIRD OPTION BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS GENERAL WORLD CALLS IT FOURTH RESPONSE BECAUSE WE, THEY THINK OF FIRE AND EMA AS TWO SEPARATE AND THEN POLICE AND THIS IS FOURTH. WHETHER YOU CALL IT THIRD OR FOURTH THE DIFFERENCE IS THIS IS NEW AND DIFFERENT. ULTIMATELY WE WOULD LIKE TO DISPATCH FROM THE 911 CENTER TO THIS DEPARTMENT. >> AFTER LISTENING THROUGH THE MEETING ON TUESDAY, AND THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS THERE IN THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE ABOUT SORT OF HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT. FIRST IS, WE HAVE BEEN REALLY DISCUSSING THESE ISSUES BOTH IN THE COMMUNITY AND IN-TURNLY IN PUBLIC SAFETY WORKING GROUP FOR YEARS. SO, THERE ARE A FEW TRUTHS THAT I I BELIEVE ENTIRE COMMUNITY IS ALIGNED ON ONE BEING WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF CALLS TO 911 HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE. AS I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO OTHER CITIES, THEY ARE SHOCKED THAT WE HAVE OVER A MILLION 911 CALLS TO APD EACH YEAR AND OVER 100,000 TO AFR. IT IS A TREMENDOUS WORKLOAD. THE SECOND POINT IS THAT WE ARE NOT ALWAYS SPENDING MOST APPROPRIATE RESPONSE TO CALLS. WE ARE OFTEN SENDING RESPONDERS TO WHAT TURN OUT TO BEING GHOST CALLS. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. WE ARE SENDING PEOPLE WHO DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE RIGHT TRAINING. WE ARE SENDING IN SOME CASES TOO MANY PEOPLE SO, ONE OF THE FIRST ISSUES THAT THE PUBLIC SAFETY WORKING GROUP OR INTERNAL GROUP IDENTIFIED WERE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES AND THE WAY THAT BRIDGED WITH COMMUNITY WAS THE COMMUNITY SAYING, WHY AM I GETTING THIS RESPONSE? OUR ANSWER ONLY BEING, WELL, THERE IS JUST TWO CHOICES OR THREE. SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT POPPED UP ON A TUESDAY. THIS WAS SOMETHING WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING AND WORKING ON FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. WE ALSO HAVE WAY CALL WAITING FATIGUE, WHICHS WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THESE ISSUES FOR A LONG TIME BUT KEEP WAITING 4 SOMETHING ELSE TO HAPPEN. WAITING FOR A CRISIS TRIAGE CENTER OR UNTIL WE HAVE MORE OFFICERS OR WAITING UNTIL THERE ARE MORE SUBSTANCE ABUSE OPTIONS. IT OCCURRED TO US ESPECIALLY WITH DIALOGUE THAT OCCURRED AFTER THE GEORGE FLOYD MURDER THAT WE CAN'T WAIT ANY MORE. WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE CAN CONTROL. WHILE WE DON'T HAVE NECESSARILY THE RECURRING FUNDS TO SET UP CRISIS CENTER BUT CHANGE THE WAY WE DISPATCH AND RESPOND TO CALLS AND THEN WE CAN FOCUS AND HOPEFULLY PERSUADE FOLKS WHO HAVE OTHER RESOURCES TO MAKE SURE OPTIONS ARE AAVAILABLE A TERMS OF PLACES TO TAKE PEOPLE. AND SUCCESSFUL IMPLEMENTATION OF SMALL PROJECTS. A LOT OF WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE TRYING NOW WE HAVE. CRISIS ACCESS LINES CAME UP. COUNCILOR GIBSON ACTUALLY TOOK THE LEAD LAST YEAR OR TWO YEARS AGO IN FUNDING A CRISIS LINE AND WE ALREADY HAVE RESOURCES. FULLY INTEGRATED WITH 311. WE HAVE MOBILE CRISIS TEAMS FOUR TEAMS OF OFFICERS TO RESPOND TO CERTAIN ACUTE MENTAL HEALTH CALLS DURING SIR TAN HOURS. IT IS GOING GREAT BUT IT IS CLEARLY NOT ENOUGH. WE ALSO HAVE DONE EXPERIMENTS LIKE WITH OUR HOMELESSEN CAMPMENT TEAM WHERE WE SENT OUT TWO FOLKS THAT GO OUT AND GIVE NOTICE TO PEOPLE IF THEY ARE CAMPING ILLEGALLY THEY CONNECT THEM TO RESOURCES AND DO THAT COMPASSIONATE WORK BEFORE THEY VACATE. SUPER SUCCESSFUL. WE NEEDED TO TAKE IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL. >> WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT RESPONSE TO OUR PERSON DOWN CALLS, REFERRED TO ALSO AS DOWN AND OUT CALLS, SO, THIS CALL OVER THE HISTORY OF OUR RESPONSE TO IT HAS KIND OF FLIP FLOPPED BETWEEN APD AND AFR. THE WE MADE A DECISION THAT THERE WAS NO REASON TO SEND POLICE AND FIRE TO A PERSON DOWN IN A PUBLIC SPACE BECAUSE TYPICALLY IT IS A SECURE SCENE. WE DIDN'T NEED LAW ENFORCEMENT THERE SO WE MADE THAT CHANGE TWO YEARS AGO. SO, AFR RESPOND INDEPENDENTLY TO THOSE CALLS AND NUMBERS THERE KIND OF SHOW OUR DATA FROM AUGUST. 2018 TO JULY 2019. WHERE WE RESPONDED TO OVER 16,000 TIMES TO A PERSON DOWN IN A PUBLIC SPACE. THIS IS A REALLY COMPLICATED TYPE OF CALL BECAUSE TYPICALLY THESE CALLS COME IN FROM SOMEONE DRIVING BY, A CONCERNED CITIZEN. THEY SEE SOMEONE NAPS ON A BENCH OUR UNDER THE TREE AND THEY DON'T STOP TO CHECK TO SEE IF THE PERSON IS SLEEPING OR IN NEED OF HELP OR IF IT IS A MEDICAL EMERGENCY. THEY CREATED THE GHOST CALLS AND ABOUT 10,000 OF THOSE CALLS WERE CALLS WHERE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR EMS SHOWED UP AND WE COULDN'T FIND THE PERSON THERE ANYMORE. SO WE TOOK THIS DATA IN OUR PUBLIC SAFETY GROUP THAT MEETS AND WE WORKED WITH DOWNING, DIRECT TOURISM OF CITY SECURITY UNDER DMD. HE SAID I HAVE GUYS THAT YOUR TRAINED AND DOING THIS WORK, WHY DON'T WE WORK TOGETHER ON THIS. IN DECEMBER OF 2019 WE PILOTED AN EXPERIMENT. WE BASICALLY TOOK EXISTING EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAD AND SECURITY PERSONNEL AND WORKED THROUGH DISPATCH. AND OUR EMS DIVISION PROVIDED TRAINING TO HIS SECURITY TEAM. THEY ALREADY HAD CPR, AND A LOT OF TRAINING NEEDED BUT TRAINED THEM HOW TO USE OUR RADIOS, HOW TO OPERATE OUR MDT'S AND WE GAVE THEM OLD ONES FROM A PROGRAM AND GOT THEM GOING WITH A BUDGET OF ZERO AND WE STARTED DISPATCHING THEM OUT TO THESE CALLS IN LIEU OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THIS HAS PROVEN TO BE A SUCCESSFUL EXPERIMENT OF SHIFTING CALLS FROM THE TYPICAL PUBLIC SAFETY RESPONSE OF POLICE AND FIRE TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT. THEY PROVIDE NOT ONLY RESPONSE BUT THEY CHECK ON THE INDIVIDUAL. IT IS COMPASSIONATE RESPONSE, TRAINED IN CUSTOMER SERVICE. THEY ARE THERE TO SEE IF INDIVIDUAL NEEDS HELP AND THEY CAN GET THEM HELP OR IF THEY ARE HAVING A MEDICAL EMERGENCY OUR INTOXICATED, THEY CAN CALL OUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THIS WAS A GOOD,. >> WE WANTED TO DO MYTH DEBUNKING AND WHAT ITS AND WHAT IT IS NOT. I THINK WE ARE GETTING A LOT OF CONCERNS FROM BOTH SIDE OF THE SPECTRUM IN TERMS OF HOW PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT POLICE IN OUR COMMUNITY. WE HAVE TO INCREASE INVESTMENT IN BEHAVIORAL HEALTH COMMUNITY BUT WE ALSO HAVE A SERIOUS VIOLENT CRIME PROBLEM AND WE NEED DETECTIVES AND WE NEED FOLKS TO BE WORKING ON THE VIOLENT CRIME ISSUE. SO, WE DO NOT SEE THIS AS A ZERO SUM GAIN OR A CHOICE. >> WE ARE GETTING A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO BE ENGAGED AND THEN ALL THE WAY UP TO BUILDING THE BUDGET THAT WE SEND DOWN TO COUNCIL IN THE LATER. OPERATIONAL SIDE WE HAVE A LOT OF WORKING GROUPS INTERNALLY THAT ARE DIGGING INTO DATA. AS WE GO ACROSS, WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT ACTUALLY DISPATCH DRIVING, PROBABLY, UNTIL WINTER, SPRING OF NEXT YEAR. WE HAVE TO DO IT RIGHT. WE WANT TO BUILD ON SUCCESSES AND BE SMART ABOUT THIS. SO, COMMUNITY INPUT AGAIN, HEARD A LOT OF DESIRE FOR THIS AND WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT IT. WE ARE BASICALLY STARTED THE ROUND OF INFORMATIONAL MEETINGS, PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT IT IS BEFORE WE ENGAGE THEM. WE HAVE ANOTHER ROUND OF TRUE ENGAGEMENT WHERE WE WILL HAVE FACILITATED MEETINGS AND WE WILL WORK WITH COMMUNITY POLICING COUNCILS, MENTAL HEALTH PARTNERS, HOMELESS PARTNERS, YOUTH PARTNERS, CITY BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AND FOLKS IN HEALTHCARE COMMUNITY. THERE IS A LOT OF OVERLAP. SOME PEOPLE ARE IN ALL OF THESE. HEALTHCARE FOR THE HOMELESS MIGHT BE IN EVERY CATEGORY BUT THAT IS GREAT. WE WANT TO ENGAGE WITH PEOPLE WITH MULTIPLE HATS ON. FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC AS WELL, WE ARE WORKING ON A SURVEY TO GET OUT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, BUILDING ON THE SUCCESS OF THE COUNCILOR DAVIS' SURVEY AND BRINGING THOSE RESULTS INTO THE DISCUSSION. WHATEVER A TOWN HALL LOOKS LIKE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS, WE WILL DO TOWN HALLS AND WE HAVE LOTS OF EXAMPLES OF OTHER PEOPLE FIGURING OUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IN THE COVID-19 NON-MASK GATHERING WORLD. >> THEN, DATA, ALSO, OUT OF THIS SLIDE, BASED ON THE CONVERSATION ON TUESDAY, SOME PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT DATA AND ANALYSIS. WE ARE ENGAGED IN THAT AND ONCE DATA IS GATHERED, WE ARE ALREADY LOOKING AT APD. AFR CALLS BY TYPE, GEOGRAPHY, TIME OF DAY AND WHAT IS ELIGIBLE FOR A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DISPATCH, 311 CALLS AS WELL AND WORKING WITH SERVICE PROVIDER TO UNDERSTAND WHAT RESOURCES WE HAVE AT OUR DISPOSAL THROUGH CONTRACTS AND MYRA FROM FAMILY COMMUNITY IS ENGAGED IN EXISTING RESOURCES ANALYSIS IN-HOUSE UNDERSTANDING HOW MANY PEOPLE WE HAVE IN DIFFERENT PROGRAMS WHO MIGHT BE ELIGIBLE TO MOVE OVER AND ALSO DOING DEEP DIVES INTO MORE COMPLEX CALLS TO UNDERSTAND OKAY LIKE WHEN MIGHT WE NEED MULTIPLE DEPARTMENT RESPONSE AS WE DO EVERYDAY. WE HAVE CALLS WHERE POLICE AND FIRE RESPOND TOGETHER. MULTIPLE RESPONSE IS NOTHING NEW FOR EVERYBODY. >> SO, JUST REMIND YOU GOALS, RESPONSE AT RIGHT TIME, IMPROVED ACCESS TO SOCIAL SERVICES FOCUS POLICE SERVICES WHERE NEEDED MOST. AND THEN LAST IN RESPONSE TO SORT OF A LOT OF PUBLIC QUESTIONS WHERE THE MONEY COMES FROM, WE HAVE A LOT OF IDEAS 4 THIS. SOME HAS TO DO WITH INTRACITY MOVE. COPE CAME UP ON, COAST CAME UP ON TUESDAY AND TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT COAST HAS NEVER BEEN HAPPILY HOUSED IN APD. A LOT OF THE PARTNERS IN MENTAL HEALTH COMMUNITY HAVE FOR A LONG TIME SAID, WE WANT COAST OUT OF APD. WE AGREE. ISSUE WAS WE HAVEN'T HAD A GREAT PLACE 4 IT TO LAND. WE THINK THIS DEPARTMENT MIGHT BE THE PERFECT PLACE. THAT IS ONE EXAMPLE. ANOTHER IS HOMELESS OUTREACH WOULD ALSO BE GREAT TO MOVE OVER TO THE UNIT. CONTRACTS, SO WE ARE CONSIDERING OUR CONTRACT PROVIDERS TO STILL BE PART OF THIS TEAM EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT EMPLOYEES, WE ALSO WANT TO LOOK AND SAY, IF THIS IS A SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM, EXTERNALLY SHOULD SOME OF THESE FOLKS BE IN-HOUSE? ANSWER MIGHT BE NO. ANSWER MIGHT BE THINK MUCH BETTER OFF AND MORE EFFECTIVE WHEN WE HAVE THEM THROUGH CONTRACT BUT IN THE SENSE OF WHERE THE RESOURCES COME FROM, CONTRACTS ARE A PIECE OF THAT PUZZLE. POSITIONS THAT TRACK CALL VOLUME INCREASE, WHERE WE SEE WE CAN REDUCE CALLS AND THEN WE HAVE VACANCIES THAT IS WHERE WE MIGHT SHIFT AROUND PERSON HE WILL DOLLARS. >> DMD TRANSIT SECURITY WHICH ARE COMBINED IS PERFECT EXAMPLE. THESE FOLKS ARE, THEY DON'T HAVE GUNS. THEY WEREN'T HIGHLY TRAINED BUT SOME OF THEM LIKED IT. SOME OF THEM WERE LIKE, WOW, I NEVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THIS IS SOMETHING I WOULD ENJOY. WE BELIEVE AS THE DEPARTMENT DEVELOPS THOSE OPPORTUNITIES WILL HAPPEN AND WE WILL WORK CLOSELY WITH LABOR ON TO MAKE SURE WE ARE TAKING CARE OF THE DETAILS ON THE MOVES. WHEN YOU THE BUDGET IN THE FALL YOU CAN EXPECT THAT SOME OF THE SOURCES OF FUNDS TO BE IN THESE THREE CATEGORIES. >> SO, LASTLY JUST FOR FOLKS WATCHING OUT THERE, WANTED TO PUT THIS INFORMATION UP. DID ANYBODY WANTS TO JUDGE. OFF HERE, SHE IS ON THE TOWN HALL. THAT IS HER CONTACT ADDRESS. WE HAVE A GENERAL EMAIL A CS@CABQ.GOV. AND THEN THE PHONE NUMBER THERE AS WELL. ALSO, WE'LL CONTINUE TO POST AND KEEP PEOPLE INFORMED THROUGH THESE MEETINGS AND MANY OTHER MEETINGS WE ARE DOING IN THE COMMUNITY. WITH THAT, WE'LL STAND FOR QUESTIONS. >> Coun. Sena: THAT WAS EXCELLENT PRESENTATION. DO I TO RECOGNIZE COUNCILOR DAVIS AND ANY OTHERS THAT HAVE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. >> Coun. Davis: THANK YOU. I KNOW MR. AGUILAR AND I HAVE TO GO TO CRIMINAL JUSTICE MEETING. I APPRECIATE YOU AND OTHERS WORKING ON THIS AND GIVE BY TALKING ABOUT PROGRESS AS A CITY AS A WHOLE. I DO WANT TO CLARIFY THAT CHIEF AFD MADE A DECISION TO STOP SENDING PD TO THOSE FIRE CALLS BUT IT WASN'T NECESSARILY ADMIN DECISION. THAT WAS A LAW THAT THE CITY COUNCIL PASSED THAT I DRAFTED UNDER LAST ADMINISTRATION THAT THE COUNCIL SUPPORTED BUT CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE IT WASN'T UNTIL THIS ADMINISTRATION CAME IN THEY IMPLEMENTED THAT LAW. IT HAS MADE THE DIFFERENCE WE HOPED IT WOULD IN TERMS OF REMOVING THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT SORT OF ENCOUNTER FROM WHAT ARE REALLY PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUES. I APPRECIATE 80 THAT. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU MENTIONING THE WORK THAT ADMINISTRATION HAD DONE WITH COUNCILLOR GIBSON TO STAND UP THE HEALTH LINE. I MAKE THOSE POINTS NOT TO BE CRITICAL BUT TO SAY LIKE A LOT OF OTHERS AND I AM SURE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND AFR HAVE GOTTEN CALLS FROM FOLKS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY GIVEN NEWS ABOUT THESE CHANGES SAYING WHAT IS ALBUQUERQUE DOING? IT IS GREAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO THIS. THIS IS A LONG TIME COMING AND THIS ADMINISTRATION IS THE RIGHT PARTNER WE NEED TO DO THIS. WE STRUGGLED FOR YEARS TO CHANGE APD AND IT LAST BEEN A DRAMATIC CHANGE IN HOW FAST AND WELL WE HAVE GOTTEN THIS FAR IN RELATIVELY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. I APPRECIATE THAT MR. AGUILAR WILL DO A MEETING WITH US THIS AFTERNOON AND GIVE THIS INFORMATION TO OTHER PART FIRST. I HOPE ADMINISTRATION'S REVIEW WILL INCLUDE A REVIEW OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE COORDINATING COUNCIL'S 63 PAGE REPORT LAST YEAR FROM ALL OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE PARTNERS IN BERNALILLO COUNTY WITH RECOMMENDATIONS 4 DIVESTING MENTAL HEALTH AND LAW ENFORCEMENT. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE TODAY. I HOPE THAT IS PART OF THE CONVERSATION. I NOTICE THE PARTNER I DIDN'T SEE ON THE SLIDE IS BERNALILLO COUNTY, PLACE WHERE MAJORITY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH RESOURCES EXIST AND CITY ARE PAYING FOR THOSE. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE PUBLIC INPUT FROM OWESSOR ZEST WITH STAKEHOLDERS THAT MIGHT BEING DIFFERENT FROM THE TOWN HALL MODEL AND HOW CAN OR WILL THE ADMINISTRATION COMMIT TO INCLUDING A STAFFER INCLUDE A STAFF DIZZYING DESIGM THESE PARTNERS. >> WE ALMOST PUT THAT IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY BECAUSE THAT COLLABORATION WITH THE COUNTY BUT UNM SHOULD HAVE BEEN ITS OWN BULLET BECAUSE IT IS SOEN GRAINED IN EVERYTHING WE DO. SOME OF THE PLACES WHERE THAT WILL COME TO PUBLIC CONVERSATION WILL INCLUDE ABCGC OF COURSE. OUR FAMILY COMMUNITY AND THE COUNTY MEET EVERY OTHER WEEK, I THINK. WE DO THAT QUARTERLY WITH THE COUNTY MANAGER, MYSELF AND SOME THERE IS A DEEP LEVEL OF WILL LOCKING TOGETHER AND TRYING TO DEPLOY BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SERVICES WITH THE COUNTY AND WITH UNMH AND PART FIRST PARTNERS IN THE STATE. AWARE OF THE REPORT FROM LAST YEAR OR YEAR BEFORE AND ABSOLUTELY TAKING CONSIDERATION OF ALL OF THOSE. I GOT TO PARTICIPATE IN INTERVIEW IN SOME OF THAT WORK SO A VALUABLE PART. THERE IS MANY STUDIES OUT THERE INCLUDING SOME OF THE GAP ANALYSIS THAT BHI HAS DONE THAT IS GOING TO BE THE FOR I LAST DONE. THAT IS GOING TO BE A KEY PARTNER AS WELL. >> Coun. Sena: NEXT UP I HAVE COUNCILOR BASSAN. >> Councilor Bassan: THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU. THIS WAS A FABULOUS PRESENTATION AND ANSWERS SO MANY OF THE BEGINNING QUESTIONS FOR THIS PROCESS AND THIS DEPARTMENT. I IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. I KNOW I AM NOT ALONE IN OUR GREAT CITY KNOWING THAT VIOLENT CRIME IS REALLY UP AND WE NEED TO HAVE OFFICERS RESPOND SO WE CAN GO FROM A SMALLER INFRACTIONS AND BREAKS OF THE LAW WHICH WILL END UP OFTENTIMES AS VIOLENT CRIME EVENTUALLY. WE HAVE PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM MENTAL HEALTH AND DIFFERENT TRAUMA AND ABUSE. I AM VERY EXCITED TO HEAR THIS PLAN, EXCITED TO HEAR MORE INFORMATION AND DETAILS THAT EVEN THOUGH TODAY IS JUST DAY ONE OF SOMETHING VERY PRELIMINARY, THANK YOU. THE POLICE LET ME KNOW HOW I CAN HELP BUT I AM VERY HAPPY TO HEAR WHAT WAS JUST PRESENTED. >> I THINK THAT IT ABSOLUTELY SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE BEGINNING TO BE ON THE RIGHT TRACK SO I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK AND EVERYONE'S WORK INVOLVED IN GETTING US STARTED. >> NAIR. THANK YOU AS WELL. ONE OF THE FIRST PLACES WE WOULD LOVE TO GET INVOLVED TOGETHER IS ONCE WE HAVE THE SURVEY PUT TOGETHER THE COUNCIL HAS HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SURVEYS AND TOWN HALLS BUT I FEEL IN THE WORLD WE ARE IN NOW, SURVEYS SHALL ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL AND SO IF WE COULD GET PARTNERSHIP ON GETTING THAT OUT TO ALL OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS ON YOUR MAILING LIST THAT WILL MAKE THAT EFFORT ROBUST. >> Councilor Bassan: THANK YOU. I AM ABSOLUTELY WILLING TO HELP WITH THAT AND I THINK THAT GIVEN WHAT YOU JUST PROVIDED IN THIS, THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE TO ALL SIDES, I THINK. IT IS NOT JUST GOING TO BE PARTAKING EVERYTHING FROM ONE AREA AND PUSHING IT TO ANOTHER. I THINK IT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED AND THERE IS WELL THOUGHT OUT STRATEGY. ALL IN TO HELP WITH DISTRIBUTING SURVEYS. THANK YOU. >> Coun. Sena: IT IS GREAT TO KNOW THE COMMUNITY CAN SUPPORT ONE ANOTHER. >> Coun. Benton: I TOO WANT TO ECHO MY COMMENDATIONS ON THE PRESENTATION. AND THE DIRECTION AND IN PARTICULAR THE STATEMENT THAT COUNCILOR DAVIS SAID THAT WE COULDN'T HAVE A BETTER ADMINISTRATION TEAM TO WORK WITH THAN THIS ONE. TO TAKE ON SOMETHING THIS MOMENTOUS SO THANKS FOR THAT. I HAD A FEW QUESTIONS ON YOUR SLIDES. ONE HAD TO DO WITH DATA ANALYSIS AND OBVIOUSLY THAT IS USUALLY IMPORTANT. THERE ARE MULTIPLE SIDES TO THAT OF COURSE. THERE IS THE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH SIDE, HOMELESSNESS ISSUE, AND THEN WITH THE VIOLENT CRIME AND THEN THE EVERYDAY CRIME. ALL OF THE ABOVE. THAT DATA ANALYSIS I WANTED TO ASK TO WHAT EXTENT WE ARE EXPECTING TO WORK WITH THE DA. THE DA IS DOING PRETTY GOOD WORK ALONG THOSE LINES. >> NAIR: YES. SO, WE ARE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH DA THROUGH THE VIOLENCE INTERRUPTION PROGRAM AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH DATA SHARING AND MAKING SURE WE ARE GETTING THE BEST OF EVERYONE'S KNOWLEDGE. THEY HAVE DONE SOME WORK IN UNDERSTANDING EXPERIENCES AND HOW IN FACT WE CREATE THOSE EXPERIENCES THROUGH ENCOUNTERS WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT. SO, ABSOLUTELY, I KIND OF PUT THEM IN THE CALOR CATEGORY OF THE COUNTY AND UNM AND STATE WHERE OTHER GOVERNMENTAL PARTNERS ARE DEEPLY INTEGRATED. >> Coun. Benton: THANK YOU. THEN ONE OF THE SLIDES MENTIONED NEED TO HELP PEOPLE WITH GETTING USED TO THE BROAD RANGER OF SERVICES AVAILABLE AND THAT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE. WE NEED A BETTER JOB OF THAT AND BETTER COORDINATION WITH REGARD TO THAT. WE ALSO KNOW THAT AS GOOD AS SERVICES ARE, WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO WITH THEM. THAT GOES BACK AGAIN TO THINGS LIKE TO WHETHER IT IS AN EMERGENCY OR SO-CALLED TRANSITIONAL HOUSING. SUPPORTIVE HOUSING IN SOME CASES BUT WE KNOW WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO TO MEET THAT AND SO, YEAH, I THINK ALL THE SAME PARTNERS ALMOST THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IN THE EFFORT THAT IS BEING MADE WITH THE HOMELESSNESS COORDINATING COUNCIL AND COMING UP WITH ACTUAL GATEWAY CENTER AND COMING UP WITH A VISION OF WHAT OUR MEANS OF SHELTER DRIVING AT THE LOWEST LEVEL, BASIC SHELTERING, OF FOLKS TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, EVEN TO AND INCLUDING FOLKS WITH A PRETTY STEADY JOB WHO COULDN'T AFFORD HOUSING ANY MORE. THOSE SERVICES, I THINK, DOVETAIL AND NEED TO BUILD UPON THAT DOVETAILS VERY WELL WITH THIS EFFORT THAT YOU ARE OUTLINING. THEN, YEAH, ALONG WITH THAT SOME OF THE GOOD WORK DONE INCLUDES OUTREACH TEAMS THAT YOUR BY NONPROFITS. WE HAVE COAST AND CIT RESPONSE FROM APD BUT THEN WE HAVE GROUPS LIKE ALBUQUERQUE HEALTHCARE FOR THE HOMELESS AND ALBUQUERQUE STREET CONNECT WHICH IS A TEAM THAT HELPED DOUBLE THE SPONSOR SOURSHIP FUNDING A COUPLE YEARS BACK AND THINK DOING GREAT WORK. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH CAPACITY THEY HAVE TO KEEP INCREASING THEIR TEAMS. THAT IS TRUE ALBUQUERQUE HEADING HOME AND THEN HOPE WORKS I BELIEVE HAS A TEAM. PROBABLY ALL KIND OF DOING SOMEWHAT OF A DIFFERENT THING AND WHAT IS THEIR RELATIONSHIP TO APD (INAUDIBLE). YEAH, TO KIND OF HELP STANDARDIZE OUR APPROACHES WHETHER WITH KNOWN PROFIT PARTNERS OR WE DO START TO INTERNALIZE A LOT OF THAT WORK WITH CLINICIANS AND SOCIAL WORKERS ON THE STREET AND IN PEOPLES BACK YARDS AAPPARENTLY SEEMS (INAUDIBLE). STANDARDIZE THOSE APPROACHES IN RELATION TO APD AND APD'S MUCH BETTER TRAINING CIT TRAINED PERSONNEL, SO, GOING ON A SPEECH HERE, (INAUDIBLE) LOSS (INAUDIBLE) LAST BUT NOT LEAST, ONE OF THE SLIDES WAS, YES, IT IS A FOCUS ON VIOLENT CRIME. IT IS NOT IGNORING CRIME. I THINK THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT. BUT I WANT TO MAKE A PITCH FOR MORE MUNDANE CRIME AND THE PROBLEM WITH THAT. I WOULD GO SO FAR AS TO GO DOWN TO THE LEVEL OF WHAT PEOPLE WOULD SAY IT IS JUST A NUISANCE. THAT IS THINGS LIKE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT. THAT IS A PLACE WHERE A LOT OF BAD ENCOUNTERS OCCUR. PROBABLY MANY OF THESE PEOPLE ARE ALREADY HIGH HAVING SOME SORT OF EPISODE WHEN THEY ARE ENCOUNTERED BUT THERE IS A BROAD RANGE OF ABUSE (INAUDIBLE) AND EVEN OTHER THINGS LIKE BREAKING AND ENTRY THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY A VIOLENT CRIME. CERTAINLY ALL OF THESE KIND OF THINGS FROM THAT LOWER LEVEL OF SPEEDING JERKS ON THE STREET TO A SCARIER LEVEL OF SOMEBODY BREAKING AND ENTERS, WE CAN DISTINGUISH AND SAY VIOLENT CRIME IS WHAT WE ARE FOCUSED ON. I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT MESSAGES AND THAT IS FEEDBACK BUT ALSO IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT. >> NAIR. IT IS A GOOD POINT. THAT WAS VERY MUCH A RESPONSIVE PIECE OF THAT WAS THAT THE REFRAIN WE WERE HEARING WAS WHAT ABOUT VIOLENT CRIME. THAT IS WHERE WE NEED MORTAR GETTED RESOURCES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO AS WE BRING ON MORE OFFICERS, MOVE THEM QUICKLY INTO THINGS LIKE HOMICIDE AND CRIMES AGAINST CHILDREN AND SEX CRIMES WHERE WE ARE UNDER STAFFED BECAUSE WE WON'T HAVE AS MANY NEEDS BUT PROPERTY CRIME IS A TOP PRIORITY AS WELL FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND I THINK WITH OUR STATS THAT CAME OUT, WE HAVE MOVED NEEDLE BETTER ON PROPERTY CRIME AND NONVIOLENT THAN WE HAVE ON VIOLENT. THAT IS A FACT OF THE MATTER AND THAT IS WHY VIOLENCE INTERRUPTION PROGRAM IS SO IMPORTANT AND DIVERSION PROGRAMS ARE IMPORTANT SO THAT WE ARE NOT PUTTING THOSE FOLKS INTO A SYSTEM MAKING THEM MORE VIOLENT AND MORE LIKELY TO DO CRIME AGAIN. >> Coun. Benton: JUST FINALLY GOING BACK TO WHAT IDEA OF PROPERTY OR QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES OF PEOPLE VIOLATING OTHERS, QUALITY OF LIFE, THAT IS NOT A VIOLENT CRIME AND IT IS NOT EVEN A PROPERTY CRIME NECESSARILY. BUT, I AM OF THE BELIEF THAT ALLOWING THAT KIND OF THING TO CONTINUE JUST CREATES A GENERAL SENSE OF LAWLESSNESS THAT I AM CONSTANTLY HEARING ABOUT OF WHAT ARE YOU PEOPLE DOING AND I WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THE VALLEY COMMAND THAT DID SOME SERIOUS, (INAUDIBLE). WE CAN'T LOSE SIGHT OF THAT EITHER AS WE TACKLE THESE MUCH MORE GLOBAL, NATIONAL AND SOCIETAL PROBLEMS. THANK YOU. >> NAIR: COUNCILLOR BENTON I WOULD ADD WE AGREE ONE OF THE SUCCESSES WE HAVE HAD AND COUNCIL SUPPORTED ISN'T ADOPT PROGRAM. REALLY FOCUSING ON THOSE CRIMINAL NUISANCE PROPERTIES. WE HAVE HAD BIG WINS, INCLUDING BANNING SALE OF MINI AS 7-11. IT IS AN ALL OF ABOVE APPROACH AND WHEN THE MAYOR WAS RUNNING, HE DID SAY, YOU KNOW, IF YOU VOTE FOR ME, YOU'RE GOING TO GET MORE SPEEDING TICKETS. MY MOM IS HEAVY ON THE ACCELERATOR, REMINDS ME OF THAT ON RIO GRANDE. THAT ALSO SPEAKS TO THE NEED TO CONTINUE TO STAFF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE IF WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT PROACTIVE APPROACH, WE NEED OFFICER, EVEN AS WE BUILD THESE OTHER PROGRAMS. THANK YOU. >> Coun. Sena: NEXT I HAVE COUNCILOR BASSAN. >> Councilor Bassan: I DON'T WANT TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE BUT I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH COUNCILLOR BENTON AND YOU KNOW IMPORTANCE OF REDUCING VIOLENT CRIME AND I THINK THAT WHAT I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TALKING ABOUT WITH CONSTITUENTS, THOSE SPEEDING TICKETS LEAD TO THE CULTURE OF NO ONE IS GOING TO CATCH ME, NO ONE IS THERE TOEN FORCE THE LAW. THEN THINGS MIGHT START TO GROW AND SO I DO COMPLETELY AGREE WITH COUNCILLOR BENTON AND HIS VISION WITH THAT AS WELL THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE TOP AND BOTTOM IN THIS BUT FIND THE RIGHT METRICS. THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZES WE CAN'T GET RID OF OFFICERS BUT I LIKE HOW WE ARE HEADED. >> FIRST, BECAUSE I ALWAYS WANT TO KEEP PLUGGING THIS, BECAUSE OF ALL OF THAT I REALLY STILL WANT TO STRONGLY ADVOCATE AND REMIND ADMINISTRATION AND COUNCIL ABOUT THE PSA 2 PROGRAM. IT HAS BEEN QUITE SUCCESSFUL WHEN WE WERE FUNDING IT BETTER AND PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT. I WANT TO HOPEFULLY HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT SO WE CAN HAVE MORE COMMUNITY POLICE PRESENCE WHILE ALSO MAKING SURE THAT OUR RESOURCES FOR OUR SWORN OFFICERSER ABLE TO GO TO MORE VIOLENT CRIME SITUATIONS AND SPREAD OUT THE CALLS. MY QUESTION NOW IS WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT COST REGARDING THIS NEW DEPARTMENT? >> NAIR: JUST TO GO IN SEQUENCE HERE WE DO ALSO SUPPORT PSA PROGRAM. I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE SPOKEN BRIEFLY AT ANOTHER MEETING BUT SOME OF THOSE PSA2 POSITIONS THAT WE ARE FOCUSED ON PROPERTY TIME AND EVIDENCE GATHERING, WE HAVE CONVERTED INTO CRIME SCENE SPECIALISTS BECAUSE THAT ACTUALLY GIVES PEOPLE MORE OF A CAREER PATH. WE WANTED TO GIVE PEOPLE MORE INCENTIVE TO COME IN TO THAT TYPE OF POSITION AND WORK THEIR WAY UP INTO EVIDENCE ROOM OR FORENSICS. IF YOU HAVE SEEN THAT DECREASE, IT MIGHT BE RELATED TO CONVERSE WHILE CONTINUING TO FUND PSA1 AND ALWAYS HAVE THE COUNCIL SUPPORT ON THEPASA PROGRAM. IN TERMS OF COST THAT IS PART OF WHAT WE ARE PUTTING TOGETHER NOW. I WOULD REALLY STRUGGLE TO COME UP WITH A GOOD NUMBER FOR YOU BUT AS WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS, WE'LL CONTINUE TO KEEP THE COUNCIL THE UPDATED. >> Councilor Bassan: I WOULD APPRECIATE A TIME WHEN IT IS APPROPRIATE WHETHER ZOOM OR NOT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION MORE ABOUT PSA. THAT WAY I CAN BE EDUCATED NOT JUST FROM THE ONE SIDE THAT I HAVE BEEN RECEIVING BUT I WOULD BE REALLY GRATEFUL IF WE COULD DO THAT. THANK YOU. >> 17 >> Coun. Sena: IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COUNCILORS. I THINK APPROACHING THIS THROUGH A PUBLIC HEALTH LENS WITH MY BACKGROUND MAKES ME VERY EXCITED. TO REALLY EVALUATE HOW WE INVEST IN OUR COMMUNITY. ALSO STILL SUPPORTING OUR POLICE FORCE SO THEY CAN ACTUALLY SPEND MORE TIME WITH THEIR FAMILIES AND ALSO REALLY FOCUS IN ON WHAT THEY WERE FIRED IN FOR. I HOPE TO STAY APPRISED OF THIS NEW DEPARTMENT AND I THINK I AM SURE OTHER FELLOW COUNCILORS NOT ON THIS COMMITTEE WOULD LOVE UPDATE AS WELL BECAUSE I THINK THIS PRESENTATION DID A FAMILY JOB IN ANSWERING A LOT OF COMMUNITY QUESTIONS AND I THINK AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS GET TO ENGAGE WE'LL HAVE MORE DIALOGUE AND DISCUSSION BUT I HOPE THAT MANY OF MY CONSTITUENTS AND THE CITY AS WELL AND COMMUNITY REALLY DO ENGAGE IN THIS COMMUNITY PROCESS AND I JUST WANT TO THANK ADMINISTRATION AND MS. LARA ME OWE FORGETTING THIS TOGETHER AND MAKING A CONCERTED EFFORT TO REACH OUT TO OUR PARTNERS, WHETHER IT IS GOVERNMENT STAKEHOLDERS OR JUST COMMUNITIES AND NONPROFITS BECAUSE EVERYONE IS EXCITED ABOUT THIS. I LOOK FORWARD TO FURTHER DISCUSSION AND I AM SURE OTHER COUNCILORS WILL WANT ANOTHER PRESENTATION AT SOME POINT SO WE'LL STAY UP WITH ALL OF THAT. IF THERE YOUR NO OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE, ADMINISTRATION OR THE COUNCILORS? ALL RIGHT, THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. THANK