Okay, go ahead and call the meeting to order. We'll start with a roll call. McKe here. Lantern >> here. >> Friedrich >> here. >> Baronamp >> here. >> Nicholls >> here. >> All right, everyone is here. Uh if you'd like to stand and join in the pledge of allegiance. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Okay. Agenda approval. Uh looks like we had modifications updates to 6 I and 12A. >> Uh yes, Mr. Mayor. Just to clarify, 6i had identified uh enterprise funds as a future funding source and and the staff report was just changed to say that we do in fact we need to get this piece of equipment ordered and save $50,000. Uh and we have different varying funding sources to consider when the time comes to pay for it, but uh it would violate our interf loan policy if we were to use the enterprise funds. So that language was removed and when it comes time to pay for it, we'll identify the funding source. Sounds good. Uh, anything else? >> Uh, and then on item 12A, uh, we have added the the week of May 14th is National Public Works Week, and we saw this as a good opportunity, too, to talk about some things with public works that we don't always get to talk about, particularly things like gravel roads, changes within public works with utilities. Uh, we saw it as a good opportunity to talk about public works operations in ways that council doesn't always get to do. And so exactly how that's going to play out. They're still ironing that out, but it seemed like a good opportunity since it's actually public works week >> and we had a work session already scheduled. >> We had a work session scheduled, >> so it's just filling in what it is. >> Correct. >> Cool. Um, and that's it from staff. Anything from staff? >> Just real quick. So I don't need to pull six. Everything is proper in that or do we >> It has been repaired. >> Okay. Oh, I had that as one of the things that >> sounds good. Are we on six? >> Nope, not yet. >> Okay. >> Uh, if there's nothing else in terms of agenda approval, I will entertain a motion to approve the agenda as amended. So, >> move. >> All those in favor say I. >> I. >> That passes unanimously. >> Uh, presentations. >> I'm not looking forward to this because it's me talking. >> So, mayor and council, uh, really pleased to share before you don't hit go yet. Uh, so, um, staff was working diligently to try and internally develop, uh, a video that could communicate uh some of the things that are going on with the civic campus project. And uh we were really happy to find out that this fell within the scope of our agreement with BKB and they have a much more robust capability in terms of production teams and stuff like that. And so this is the first that will be in a series of videos. So this is a 90 second video that just tells the civic campus story as an intro. And the timing of this, it will go out tomorrow as a predecessor to the the surveys that will be hitting uh residents um mailboxes. It should land in the mailbox next week and it's referenced in the survey to try and point them towards the video. So, uh it there's a link that they can take off of the survey or they can go to the website. Uh but then we have a several other videos that will be developed here in the coming months that are going to tell some other nuance stories, history of Corkran in terms of our facilities, services that we deliver. And so we have not yet gone into developing the script. If you have particular ideas that you would like us to focus on, please let me know uh so that we can include those within the scope. But the the plan is similar videos, not long in duration to pro provide as much within the platform. But this is the first uh and uh there we go. >> Ready? >> Since 1855, the community of Corkran, Minnesota has prided itself on strong stewardship of our people and our public spaces with regular updates to our facilities and services that our residents rely. Corka's population has grown by more than 50% over the last decade and is projected to continue grow as more families and businesses call our community home. We're always trying to walk that tight rope of keeping the roots of our community of of being a small agricultural community with the new development that we've seen over the last decade, but increasingly so in the last five or so years. We're trying to continue that small town feeling while growing the capacity that we need to serve the residents that we have and that growth that we've been seeing in the last decade. This growth has created significantly more demand for city services. Recent independent assessments of key facilities for the city showed that our like city hall and police department are about 41% smaller than recommended for a city of our size. At city hall, overcrowding impacts service and requires many records, equipment, and supplies to be stored offsite at additional costs. At the police department, a lack of space for evidence storage, detainee holding, and officer training impacts the safety and wellness of our local law enforcement. To ensure quality public services for our residents in the years to come, city is planning to build an all new city hall and public safety facility just south of the current city hall. The building will be located on land already owned by the city where key utilities and road infrastructure are already in place, saving an estimated $6 million on construction costs. With this project, we're committed to strengthening community safety and providing long-term value to our residents for years to come. Visit corkinmn.gov for more information and a schedule of upcoming public meetings. We encourage you to join us, ask questions, stay engaged, and join us in the planning process. So this this will go out tomorrow on social media and uh will be accessed as part of the survey process. So the first of what we anticipate to be five uh but yeah I'm I'm pretty proud of without BKV we could not have delivered something like that. >> They just hooked me up to a mic and told me what to say and turned out pretty good. So >> it was pretty incred like the shooting schedule. They had a team here and it was B-roll all across the city. 8 a.m. until 5:00 p.m. that day. So, so the amount of effort that goes into make a video like that >> uh to make sure that we've hit all of the the things that were identified within the script. >> Really grateful to have had >> cool. >> That's it for that. >> Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Um open forum. Don't let it go to your popularity. >> I've received no emails, cards, or letters. >> All right. Anyone from the audience uh want to speak at open forum? Nope. Uh then we will move on to item six, which is consent agenda. We have items 6A through 6K. Uh does anyone want to pull anything? >> I would like to pull 6K. >> 6K. And I'd like to pull six G and six I just for clarification. >> G and six I Michelle. Okay. I will entertain a motion to Oh, >> succeed, please. >> Succeed. Sorry about that. >> Good call. Um, anything else? I will entertain a motion to approve consent agenda items A, B, D, E, F, H, and J. >> Second. >> All those in favor say I. >> I. I. >> Do we miss Kate? >> That was pulled. >> That was pulled. >> Yep. So, we'll go alphabetically. And Jeremy C. I just wanted to take this chance to recognize a approximately 2500 contribution towards the Heritage Park project from Kathy Dvas. Uh Kathy has attended virtually almost every meeting that I've ever observed. She's extremely engaged in the city. Is she on right now? >> She might be because >> we can't tell. I've told her for years that she if there was a gold star for attendance at city council meetings, she gets it because she has been to commissions and council meetings and involved in the park stuff especially for my whole time here. >> So, I want to thank Kathy for her contribution and encourage her to apply for the charter commission opening >> or the parks and trails >> or the parks and trails commission opening because clearly she has a passion for the city and would like to serve. >> Great opportunity available right now. So, thank you. >> Thanks for recognizing that. That was on my list and I somehow missed it. So, good catch, Jeremy. Um, uh, entertain a motion to approve consent agenda item 6 C. >> So, moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> All those in favor say I. >> I. >> On to G. Michelle. >> Yeah. I was just going to u mention on the resolution under the now therefore be it resolved. We just need to take out the BY. So, it would read now therefore be it resolved. The city council of city of Cork, Minnesota designates the addition designates. It's just one word. >> Where is it? Sorry. >> It currently says be it resolved by the city council. >> Take out by so it reads more smoothly. >> City council >> in the second above number one. >> Yeah. Right. >> I think it work. Yeah, I think we can do that >> right there. >> Do we need a motion to change it or can that be done administratively? >> I think it's just a clerical. >> That can be done. >> Perfect. >> Um, so with that note, >> I'll make a motion to approve. >> Perfect. We have a second. >> Second. >> All those in favor say I. >> There's an English teacher somewhere who's giving you a high five. Uh, and Michelle again on six I >> Yes. I was just hoping we could get some clarification um on on the estimate portion for that item. >> Sure. On the single it's a single axle dump truck. It's the same price that we recently purchased with our 2025A bond. Uh it's uh the price that we had in the is 3482 348,274 90. So the request was 350 just to be a little conservative and um and then that does not factor in resale. We will be trading that in. So it will probably closer to 300 when we bring that back through. We just need to reserve our spot as described in the report. >> Okay. Okay. >> And I believe that's a state pricing state contract. >> Okay. Thank you. Um >> curiosity, how long does a dump truck last? >> I can send out our cycle. It has to be over 10 years. >> Thank you. >> Okay. I'll make a motion to approve item six. I >> do have a second. Second. >> All those in favor say I. Hi. >> Okay. And then um yeah, thank you. 6K Mark. >> So until this morning or yesterday, this policy had been kind of attached at the hip with the longevity um policy. I I would like to see them put back together because I I think it makes sense to just discuss both of them together in one setting. I that the most appropriate setting was in a a closed session. I don't know if you know I don't know why that that wouldn't be acceptable. That would be my preference. Otherwise, you know, at a at a you know, at a future maybe a work session, put the two back together and have a single discussion about the two policies. >> So, so on administrative side, uh it's budget neutral. The only thing that changed with this is the allowable rollover in order to align with the CBA and staff's request would be to not delay on this because administratively uh have putting this in place is going to create an administrative disparity in terms of how we're handling some employees. Uh and so by delaying this uh some employees currently aren't allowed to roll over or how they uh institute the process. This was to align the process with the CBA with uh the process that we had and the only change really was the rollover. Uh there there was no material change >> with the police CBA. >> Yes. >> What does this have to do with the police CBA? >> Uh the the language of the police CBA uh had asked for a rollover and so we were trying to align them and since it was branch or financially immaterial there's no change in cost. Can I can I ask a clarifying question? >> So, we budget Sorry, >> I'm sorry. But that's why I want these two policies to be discussed at the same time because I don't understand why the police CBA applies to city employees outside of that bargaining unit. So, I was hoping to do that at a in a different setting. I'm I'm prepared to discuss it, you know, in depth now. I'd rather not. And I'd rather, you know, I I get that it's going to be delayed. I get that. But that's part of my issue is that we have a CBA uh with the police department. I don't know why their negotiated benefits have anything to do with other city employees. >> So to speak just to this one, the changes related to recruitment and retention, uh having it not be taxable was request of the city in order to uh make us both compliant with IRS rules uh and also alleviate the so so related to the CDA that's why that happened as a change in this case the only change there's no change to the cost uh it's just the change to so the $1500 is budgeted year-over-year uh and it's just allows the rollover and so um I I understand your point that uh I hear you saying it is that you feel that non uh non-union employees uh shouldn't be treated the same way as union employees. That's what I'm saying. >> No, that isn't what No, that isn't at all what I'm saying. What I am saying is our uh our police department negotiated a CBA with with certain benefits with certain conditions and that CBA is between the city and the police department. It doesn't say, you know, I mean, it's not not every city employee works for the police department. So, I don't understand why the CBA has anything to do with all of our other city employees. And I want to have, >> you know, a bigger discussion about this because I think it's a it's a problem. >> And in this one, it's a request of staff because we're administratively it it makes it uh easier to manage the recruitment and retention the same and and it it not being material. I saw it as a simple policy, >> but I but I do see it as being material because we are assigning benefits from the police CBA to other city employees. >> This is already a benefit they have. >> Oh, this >> this is a benefit they've had for two years. >> It's just the only change. >> The only change is tax. >> Uh the CBA changed to to to non tax. It's always been taxed for city's employees. >> Well, So, the only change to in this case is the rollover. That's literally the only change. >> I'll I'll tell I would be okay with that as long as there's no reference to the CBA because I don't see what one has to do with the other. >> I don't I don't recall it referencing the CBA. As long as it doesn't, then I'm f then I'm fine with that. >> Yeah. I don't believe >> it does not reference the CBA. and and and it the the only change to the policy, this has been a a two-year policy, is is the allowance of a rollover in order to have coherence in how we're administering it. But there's no material change. Uh and there's no substantive change to the rest of the language. >> Yeah. I I just want to be clear that by if I support this, I'm not I'm not agreeing that other that non police department employees are covered by this. There was one other change. Uh so it didn't used to clarify that you had to work for the city for a minimum of six months and that's been added in terms of a requirement that someone to be eligible uh because we had some instances in which uh that lack of clarity created a problem for the city. >> Yeah. I just want to be clear that that the CBA is for the police department and its officers. It's not intended to uh to uh give additional benefits to every city employee. >> In this case, this is just an update of an existing policy that's been in place for two years. >> Right. When is longevity going to be on the agenda? >> Uh there's a request to have a at the end of this I was going to request that we have a personnel committee uh to discuss that and then the personnel committee would determine when we were ready to bring that forward. >> Okay. >> So, it's not currently scheduled to correct. Okay. Thank you. All good. Okay. I could entertain I'll entertain a motion to >> Oh, did you have something? >> She answered my question. >> Good deal. >> Can I ask one quick question just to clarify uh on page three on one of the points it's not implicitly clear and I think in a policy it should be really really clear. Um, it's the part that talks about, let's see, it would be the one, two, third bullet down. After acrewing eligibility for the maximum reimbursement amount of 3,000, an employee will cease acrewing a reimbursement balance until the year after that employes the middle of a reimbursement form. >> Is there a proposed correction? Right. >> Yes. >> What would you like it to say? like >> just to specify because to me that reads that until they wouldn't they wouldn't receive another they couldn't do another reimbursement until the year after. It would be the new year, right? So like if I submitted a $3,000 reimbursement in December, 3,000 my new year would start January 1st. >> Correct. >> For the next $1,500 reimbursement. Correct. >> Right. >> So until the calendar year maybe. >> Maybe. >> Yeah. I'm open to suggestions on how we could meet your desire to attend. >> Does it align with calendars? Does does it align with >> So eligibility happens at the beginning of the fiscal year every year? >> Not related to date of hire. >> Uh they have to be in an employee for a minimum of six months. That's been clarified now. >> Okay. Got it. But then that ro the the m occurring the maximum reimbursement they do that like in the example Michelle gave in December that new year is January. >> So if in in December of 2027 I rolled over my 2026 eligibility into 2027 and I used all of it in 2027 of $3,000 on January 1st of 2028. I should be eligible for $1,500. When I read that, it sounds like you have to wait for an entire year until after your submittal. >> So, so is there a suggestion on how we like to change this? >> Okay. So, uh after the reimbursement balance until the calendar year >> after the employee is the middle. >> Okay. >> Well, that that I think that's confusing to until >> the following calendar year. >> Uh >> until January 1st >> there. Yeah. >> How does the six months work? >> So, is it like the year after you've been there for six months or at the six months? >> It depends on when your eligibility is. So, so say for example, I hired in February, six months after I've been hired, then within that year I'd be eligible for $1,500. If I started in December of 2026, I would not be eligible for a 2026 recruitment and retention. >> Okay. >> What we talked about? >> Perfect. >> Okay. So, those changes, do we need a motion on that or >> uh I've got it. Um as long as when you make the motion in terms of approving the policy, you say incorporating the >> the changes as recommended. I'll make a motion to approve uh consent item six >> K. Thank you. Um with incorporating the changes discussed that Jay has noted. >> Uh second. Any discuss? No, it's consent. All those in favor say I. >> I. Perfect. >> Okay. On to unfinished business. Uh 8A we have a civic campus update and resolution 20 2631 authorizing engagement of professional services contract. >> So first off uh mayor and council um I would just like to say that uh thank you for encouraging me to do the AI training. Uh I think it has helped me sharpen my skills. >> Uh much to my I was not excited about it. Uh but I think it has helping me sharpen the ax and I'm really that we had 12 city employees that completed AI training last Friday. >> May I show uh the image that you sent me from day one of the training? >> You may, sir. >> Just wanted to show to council. Maybe we can get it up uh on the video. >> No, we don't need to put it on the video. >> But Jay sent me this as is his contact info or his contact picture. Now, if I can find it, here it is. of his skills. Day one of the training pirate day. For those listening, it is Jay as an awesome looking pirate. >> So I was day one. >> I was an AI pirate. So um but but uh also what came out of that uh last Friday before I jump into this is a draft that we will be bringing to you of an AI policy. So while we are trying to leverage these skills, it's also important for us to be very clear what we can and cannot do with AI within the municipal realm. And so uh we have an initial draft of that and we'll be refining that to bring that to council in the weeks ahead. Uh but I think to a person uh everybody recognized the potential value um even if it's just as as a thought generation space to try and get some different ideas. Uh and then In the last weeks, we've had some fantastic conversations. Um, but also it's important to note that the best tools are not free. >> And so, we're also trying to be wise as we assess the landscape. Uh, and if if you watch social media, some of those tools are actually cause for concern. There's compromise with some of those tools. And so, we are treading carefully. Uh, but it's it's important to note that as a city for particularly a city our size. We're probably in the top 1% of the state right now with choosing to do that. There's only a handful of other cities that have leaned forward that far at this point. Uh and um consequently, we need to be very discerning about how and when we implement those tools because there is a lot of potential risk. But in this case, it was drawing pictures. And so uh this this is uh the briefing for y'all today of blueprint for steu stewardship safety and community. Uh so AI tried to help me out with this but the data is skewed. The 11,300 is actually you know coming from some sources that I don't think give us complete accuracy. I actually believe by 2030 we could be as much as uh this projection or higher next year. >> Yeah. could hit 11,300 by the end of 2027. We're just shy of 10,000 right now. >> We're at 8600. >> Uh that's one projection, but when we sat down using some different tools, we're currently estimating a little over 9,700 really >> as of December. >> And that that one checks out more than >> Yeah. So, but but the challenge is we're not going to get solid data. And this is important if anybody's watching this. We will not be a confirmed city of 10,000 until the 2030 census, >> right? >> Because there won't be that kind of accurate official data >> and that's when our garbage bills will go up. >> And and so all of the implications of becoming a city of 10,000, we will not have a validation until the 2030 census, but current projections are that we we will hit 10,000 before the end of this year. >> Actually, probably closer to July. Um so so that implication is While it says 50% growth, it's actually higher than 50% growth of what we've been experiencing. Um, and then that that has a lot of second and third order effects in terms of implications on service delivery and expectations of services as new people come from other communities, what they want for services, what they've come to expect from services, and what we're capable of delivering for services. So, um, consequently with the growth that we've had, we've also, uh, if you recall, we we had to get rid of the community space at a certain point. And with the growth that we've had, this overflow is absolutely appropriate that we're 41% short of the spaces that we need right now. Uh, we're we're in dire straits uh, just for city hall and the police department. Um, if you recall from the the facilities condition assessment and from the space needs analysis, we've identified other areas that were short. We're just focusing this conversation on city hall and the police department. We're 41% short on space right now uh based on um nationally recognized experts of cities our size. Uh in terms of police or public safety operations, these three areas are of significant concern. Other agencies our size have these capabilities and uh the shortfalls in these capabilities impact our operations significantly. The reason this is highlighted is because for our um community project funding, this was the number one request that we submitted uh to to Congress. Um and this is within the scope a top priority as we look at the police facilities in particular. Um there in the background is I plugged into AI if we were to do the totality of the training facility and what we need for uh the um city hall and public safety. That's a rendering that AI provided of what those uh square footage requirements could look like. So I thought that was interesting. Uh and this is would be looking from the north >> the other buildings St. Theres right >> that is St. across the street. Um, and so, uh, as we went, uh, and we visited eight different facilities, uh, staff has come to the conclusion that with the roughly 11 acre site, a twostory design would allow us to maximize space, but then also, um, reduce some of our by reducing our footprint, reduce some of our costs in terms of what you need for a roof. Uh and then that would also allow for some flexibility on the site uh if there's any future need. Um and so uh I I have that in the end reducing construction sites. Uh it was mentioned in the video um by choosing this site on Sandy Center Drive, it has allowed us, if you remember a little over a year ago, just moment uh we looked at land acquisition. Uh it had been appraised at $4 million. the property owners wanted at least $6 million and we chose to forego that. Uh so this choosing to use this site has has uh allowed us to avoid acquisition costs for land and instead put that money into a facility that would deliver services. And then the other parts of that, uh, when we looked at the northern, um, park site along County Road 10, there's going to be significant infrastructure needs in terms of pulling the trunkline sewer and required turn lanes from the county. That would put us at least $2 million. So that says $6 million. As the mayor and I have talked about that, it could be even as much as $10 million in terms of this site being a good site for us that we own. Any other question, sir? >> I had a question there. If two stories is better than one, have we assessed if three stories is better than two? >> Uh, I have not seen a threetory city hall of any site that we've looked at in Minnesota. So, it has not come up before. Honestly, >> I'm just curious if that would be worth >> operationally. Um, I'd have to think about that. I don't know that it would give us much of a cost benefit, >> but for future capacity, like if in 20 years there's another need to expand, you could potentially fit another three-story building on the same site. Maybe you couldn't do that with two and we have no height limitation in this zone, right? I mean, this is intended to be a higher density development area. One one of the things I think operationally is a three-story site becomes a little bit challenging that people become more reliant. Is your city hall three stories? >> We have a basement though that like >> Yeah. So it would have a basement. So I guess technically it would be three stories. >> So it' be two stories above ground with a third story below ground. Um >> I that hadn't come up as a question. >> I mean I'm just thinking of it schematically. Public safety first story, public space second story. the operations third story might be one way to think about it. >> That' be kind of cool. >> As as we visited the eight facilities that we have, the the model that I think staff has really liked is our most public facing departments are community development and engineering public works. And we've seen several spaces in which those have on the first floor easy access to the public uh engagement areas to to engage with the public. And then often times the adjacent uh police department also then has oversight of that first floor if you have anything. Shared lobbies is something that makes a lot of sense for us in order to try and reduce some of our costs. But as you enter the sieges environment for the police department, there's some requirements there uh in terms of design of the space. So if you were to for example put the police department on the first floor, it could make it difficult to get above because that wherever they're at that sieous environment becomes a secure space that other employees can't enter. >> Um >> I think you could still look at something like that though. >> I'm not saying we can't. I'm just as I'm thinking off off the off the cuff. >> Bring it up to the crowd. >> Yeah. So >> I'll raise the question. Third story. We haven't seen any >> which is kind of cool be first for us again. >> Yep. Um any other questions thus far? The only thing and I while I agree on the footprint and everything that we're needing to build out to the 87% is needed for 20 year capacity and stuff like that. If this all happens when we occupy the new building, that doesn't mean fill the place up and then we run out of space. Am I saying it right? If we need 50% of it, that's all we should The rest we don't use for storage. We don't anything. It grows into as the city grows. >> Well, it depends on how how the design as they're going to schematic design. So that presumes your your description there presumes that you build a shell that's big enough for the 20-year problem. Another alternative is you build a current space and then you either add So one of the things that I thought about is I' I've lived other places where you do the the foundation like I lived in Egypt. >> You do the foundation to be a three-story building but you don't build the three stories today. >> Uh or you leave capacity on the campus to add other wings expand to the north, south, east or west as is appropriate as as your needs grow. Um One of the models as we talked to many different cities is they repurpose spaces over time. So you you recognize that you need this many spaces for projected staffing in 200 whatever 20 years from now. Uh and so you have Chan Hass be a great example. We just visited they just opened their campus last September. They have quite a few presently available to the public conference rooms, but the plan is over time as those conference rooms need to be converted in order to serve as office space or other service areas, they've intentionally designed it >> so that they can transition to other purposes in the future. So, so that's the way that they have activated the space today rather than paying for dead space. >> Yeah. And and that's that's the mindset that I'm looking for and such. I just if you end up with you only need six drawers and you buy an eight drawer cabinet, all eight drawers are full just because you got cabinets. So if you have things set up and you've got a cubicle area and you've got 10 unoccupied cubes for future growth, so be it. But if it's used for something else, everybody needs to realize just like this place. I think it was originally designed to have six or eight people in it. Look what you got. Just keep that mindset. So >> yeah, ability to activate today so that it's providing benefit and service to the community with flexibility to adjust to emerging. >> You're on. Cool. Uh so it's been in the long range financial plan and we recognize that ex external funding can help reduce the pressure on the taxpayer and fulfill operational requirements because as we talk about bonds we need a new facility and there's also a financial burden to it. So it's a pushpull uh portion of that um external funding. Oh, we we'll get to that. Uh what what we've requested and what some of those uh decision points will be related to external funding. So, here we are. Uh currently, we've submitted $30.6 million in targeted external funding. Uh 10 million of that is in state bonding that uh um Chief Gotchock and Mayor McKe testified uh a week ago. >> Yeah. About >> uh um in the House. We're not that there is a state bill as well. Not sure if the state bill is going to have any hearings or testimony. >> Senate Senate. Thank you. Yeah. I'm not sure if the Senate uh is going to have hearings right now as we've asked. It doesn't look like they're going to. >> I brought that up uh with other mayors in the area that have have bond requests and they've heard the same thing that it might not. So, might just be a floor vote. >> Uh so, so that state that state bonding request is at 10 million and then 18.6 million. Uh I'm going to break it down in the next slide that shows how that how that breaks down. And then $2 million in congressionally directed spending. Uh couple important gates. Uh the state bonding bill. We'll know by miday because this legislative session will end whether or not state bonding will happen with this legislative session and we could potentially have another swing at it in in the in the summer if they don't do a state bonding bill where there be an appetite that we could potentially try again. It's important that we have 12 great partners that have submitted letters of support, other agencies uh both at the county uh multicounty level uh and several other municipalities and agencies. >> I believe one more is coming in if it didn't today. >> Excellent. So, so what what it's validated for us is is the focus on creating a regional ability to collaborate is valued by a lot of our neighbors uh and a lot of other agencies. It's a different model than what exists and it can complement what exists within the region. Um >> could you forward those letters to us? >> Absolutely. We see them. I think that's Loretta that's coming in. >> Uh and and this is how it breaks down. So uh the 10 million in in uh state funding is is called so the master was not included in the uh in the submitted bill that that was um one of our bill writers preferred names. We tried a couple of different names for this uh regional west metro facility concept. Uh that was the one they liked, but it didn't make it into the bill. We're actually happy about that. >> But but uh some some key components of well I think that comes down later too. So so we'll pack out what those components are. Uh I just took that same request and I replicated it uh for one of our submissions uh for community project funding uh because we had great collaborative partnerships on it. Uh it's pretty turnkey. Um it's not going to score as well uh on on community project funding. I I just was doing some assessment on recent conversations related to it. So each congressman was allowed to submit 20 projects. Three of Congressman Morrison's projects are ours and those are those uh three projects. Community spaces uh breaks down into roughly three components. One one is called intergenerational commons, what some people might call a community room. Uh but but it has some more nuances to it than that. Another one was recognizing the the degree of um businesses out of people's homes to be able to offer um some of those spaces where they could come in and potentially sign up to use a conference room to have a meeting. Uh and then that could potentially go in the future. So to get back to council member Baronamp's point, like that's a way that we could offer something to them today that if in the future we needed to activate it for other spaces, other reasons gives us some flexibility, but it could really serve the community well uh today. And then the last component was uh the the campus uh outside in terms of having a great outdoor space and community gardens. And that topic came up uh in talking with people from St. Theres. Uh so our neighbors right across the street, a lot of them are former farmers in the community. And uh I'll just be candid, I don't like community gardens uh because they're challenging to manage uh from my past role. But I also love community gardens because of the ways that they help provide opportunities for people to build community. those who otherwise can't. So from a management perspective, they can be challenging, but from a community building perspective, they're remarkable. And so that that was those three components. Uh the public safety infrastructure are those things that were on that that second or third slide before that talked about evidence, storage, detainy, operations, how we deal with three, that's the 5,000 public safety infrastructure. And then the last part, like I said, is just a replication of the state bonding request. Um and the langage both of those submissions. So, one legitimate question would be, what happens if we were to get a windfall and to get both of them and to get 10 million in state funding and 10 million in uh community project funding? The way that they're written is we have a degree of flexibility that would allow us to move to cover things that support that facility that were not necessarily in our vision for it specifically at the time when we wrote it because there is flexibility in the way that it was written. So, some examples that I'd give is a regional training uh infrastructure site needs locker rooms. Um, they were not within the scope of the request because we're going to need to build locker rooms within our within our facility anyway. This could be a way that we could enhance the locker rooms that we for our needs that could also supplement and support. So, that's maybe not the best example, but I hope that helps understand. So we have flexibility with >> there's flexibility that if we were to get the windfall of both of them uh I'm confident that we could find ways to utilize those resources. And then the last uh the congressionally directed spending I actually used uh did did some deep research to figure out within the scope of our full campus project what would align or be allowed under the restrictions of congressionally directed spending. The only project that was eligible was this re regional emergency operations center. It's important to note that that is part of the state bonding request. It's part of the community project funding request and then this is a standalone uh of of the um west metro regional training facility proposal. That is the one that has the greatest regional impact for sure. And we have some of our partners that uh don't even have uh agencies, don't have police departments that have written letters of support because they recognize how that would help their city or their agency. Any questions about external funding? Uh these are the 12 regional partners that submitted and you just see the dispersion there of where they come primarily from the west. uh but not just from the west. Uh and then these are the four components. Uh an indoor firearms range. This says scenario-based virtual training, but it's it's beyond just scenario-based. It's actually called augmented reality. And so there's a virtual component of it, but there's also multifunctional uh space. So what that means is think of it like giant Lego room. So you can build a space in order to have a physical experience in the space as you go through which helps with muscle memory, enhances the the training experience and it complements the virtual training capacity or scenario based virtual capacity. So that's the augmented component of it. Uh >> can I add one thing as far as the uh the regional partners there's been I've had several chiefs reach out to me talk about the impact and posit support like ours from the west side and county. It's important to know that the political landscape there are communities to the east of us that don't support the project because they think that the resources they don't need those resources they have those resources and sometimes replicated those resources but the capacity is the issue for a lot of us. So as you're if you're having conversations in the political realm just understand where our lies and where other that it might take away opportunities for them to get other state funding for themselves if we're trying to compete for that. So, I just want to make sure that you're aware of how those conversations go and do you have overwhelming support in our area, but most of that >> uh the the specialized canine facility, this doesn't currently exist in the state. Um, and so, uh, what what that could mean. So, we we just had a conversation today with one of the state's premier trainers, trained RK19, and uh, just asked about clarifying both the need as we understood it, the benefit that it would be to us or to other neighboring agencies, and really trying to get to the why. So, this came up as an idea and and as it came up, it's gotten a lot of traction with a lot of positive feedback from all of our partners, but we wanted to validate it with somebody who works in this space every day. And what they said was it does not exist in the state. uh if we were to do this they would be very interested in partnering with us and then even discussing things in terms of not just becoming a training site but they have uh trials is what they call them. So so becoming a center of gravity in the professional space that's positively influencing this component of the profession. Uh and when we started talking about the footprint that it would take, uh it could operate on what would be the less than absolutely desirable space of the 11 acres that we have. It would take up roughly about an acre. Uh and um and then that space for that acre could also be used for other training things besides just the canine training. Uh so that that was a really helpful conversation to somebody who works in that space to help me understand uh why it could matter. Yes, sir. >> So, this specialized K9 facility, now we have one dog, right? >> Yes. >> So, I assume that the majority of the use will be canines that are not corking canines, right? Other departments. >> Yes. >> So, is this facility going to generate revenue for the city? >> That would be the intent. So, so to begin with, at some point, so to begin with, if we receive state dollars, uh the revenue that we would generate would be directly related to the expenses we incur. So, if it makes sense, there would be a user fee that would equate to what it costs to run. So, if it costs us $10 and we only have 10 other agencies that are using it or nine other agencies that are using it, we're one of 10. Everybody pays a buck in order to keep the lights on. Uh but also at some point as it continues to grow uh this person who's an expert said this is going to become a lightning rod >> and would be >> and so it's not going to be a matter of who's going to come. He he almost alluded to you'll be able to set your price and I'm like well that's not the intent. Uh but to answer your question there's recognition that there's the potential for that. At the very least the expectation would be to cover the costs. Not just these folks that are reg I'm sorry, not just these supporters. It'd be a regional possible or regional site for K9 training. >> It would be the only one in the state. >> So we would have people from all over the state coming >> and outside the state >> potentially. >> Potentially. >> Yep. >> For trials and >> you said it's unique in the state. What is it? >> What is the site going to be able to do that isn't duplicated any place else? >> Well, there is no other site that exists. Yeah. So, so, so, so what it would would offer uh is for example right now when they have to do trials that what he explained is they do them at schools. So, when they do certifications because there's a parking requirement and then there's open space requirement. So, right now it's a it's a popup in play for some of it and then there's two regional airports that serve as significant training sites. This would not preclude them. they they still go and they do a lot of training specific at other locations that enhance the experience of the training that would continue to occur but then they would come here. So the the vision that we discussed today would be a shelter of sorts that would have some storage capability for the different what do they call the different products that >> yeah depending on what they're working on but as far as like article searches or searches the different equipment to support it. So a the largest volume of space would actually outdoor space and it was some kind of outdoor shelter that had bathrooms. If you think similar to a park pavilion at all fields would have bathrooms, it would have cover from from rain and snow and some storage spaces for the equipment for that. They would also then be able to overlay and use some of the other training facilities like the range or the classrooms, but the K9 specific outdoor space. Um, think volume would be similar to the size of a football field in geographic space with a park pavilion style that could be, you know, kind of the home base for where the different activities can occur. So they're and they would they would set up different areas of that space in different ways to accommodate whether they're working on tracking or whether they're working on bite work or whether they're working on article searches and being able to move that space around. >> Being able to bring vehicles onto by the shelter in order to do vehicle searches. Uh different types of vehicle searches. >> There's more of a modular space, not like a big agility space or something like that. >> There would not be an agility space at all. >> Thank you. >> Uh and then and then some other things that I asked about that were really instructive. I was like, oh wow, you know, classes approximately 20 teams on average uh multiple times a year. Uh so if we were able to do that, how many kennels do you need? And he was reminding he said zero. You don't want kennels. >> Yeah. >> Because these are canine teams and they operate out of their vehicles. >> So you do not you don't that that's not I candidly I was thinking kennels and runs and he's like no that's not what we need. And we heard that while touring other uh facilities too from other city halls where they had kennels and they said if we were redoing it we wouldn't put these in because we never use them because they're trained to keep K9 in the car the whole time. So and they were all empty every time we went there. >> And and then that last component of the shared emergency coordination uh Corkran during COVID became a central spot uh collaborating with kind of the county for the rest of the region. uh and then we've seen that kind of happen with other regional emergencies. So those relationships already exist that would just codify those relationships and then also create a space in which you could have interoperability in terms of technology and communication that we we do well with our little space but we fill that space up pretty fast. So having a larger space uh and we looked at I don't know half a dozen different EOC models um And uh what we've been talking about I I think will provide a lot of flexibility. But there's some things that I hadn't thought about if you actually have and this goes back to my time in the army. If if you have a real world emergency, you need a space to step away from the activity that's happening in the EOC and have a conversation sometimes to make decisions that are being impacted by there. We we don't really have a great capability of that now, but that definitely is something that needs to be considered. And then the other thing, we kind of do it off the back right now, but when you have that many people that are doing 24-hour ops, you need coffee, you need a refrigerator with water, like so so some sort of kitchenet. >> Um, so >> y uh this this point at the top that that 70% of departments in Minnesota have fewer than 20 officers. Uh I I thought that and it was a striking fact when it was briefed to the committee when we were up at the capital that >> um those who are coming from larger cities that they don't really grasp that and that is definitely the character when you look at that snapshot of our regional partners all of them fall into those categories for the most part >> here to the west a little bit north and south and all the way out there it's all that. Any questions about this? Yes, sir. >> Any complaints about the name of the facility? >> Yes. >> Since it's a police training facility, >> we weren't thrilled with it. >> Yeah. So, so the the >> I would change it. I think we can. >> So, in in what went to the house in the bill, that wasn't included in the language of it. Thankfully, we did not like the that >> who came up with that. >> I'm not going to say >> we we proposed different names and we the other ones that I think we like a lot better. I can tell you with certainty that we won't operate a facility by that name. >> Yeah, I didn't think you would. I kind of like Heritage Park facility. >> Next slide. That's my favorite. So, so this just is a snapshot of what could happen in a regional emergency operation center. It's key for coordination. It enhances public safety and it protects vulnerable populations. Uh and uh with more and more activities happening, other partners coming in uh at different levels and the ability in order to synchronize those efforts becomes even more and more important. Um any questions on this one? So, uh this was the 3.6 million roughly of the the civic space. Uh you'll see a rendering there. Uh as we went to different facilities, this is kind of an idea that uh staff had. This would be the um intergenerational comments or community room. Uh and in in this rendition of it, you see like a little uh little kitchen. Um to the left of the fireplace, but having a space that overlooks the council chambers allows to be able to leverage that as an overflow room if necessary. Uh, so it becomes a a real helpful multi-use space. Uh, also one of the things that I think we've become convinced about as we looked at different facilities is having the council chambers on the second floor. Uh, those that we saw, um, operationally, it really helps uh because that space isn't activated all the time. And so to put that much space right at the heart of the areas that you're trying to activate uh and then um having adjacent to that like I said leveraging the intergenerational comments so that you can um mutually benefit from that space and there's the descriptors of uh those three different submissions. Any questions? Okay. Uh So this is uh our glide path to proactive communication. We still have um three remaining just regular open houses and then August 4th is the night to unite uh our our culminating big open house. Um we are working towards uh schematic design in order to be able to have that information so that we can give the best information to the public on that night toite night. uh and um get that information out to our our neighborhood parties as well so that as we're going out to visit them, we can have that engagement, those conversations. Um and the video uh that 90 second video was just shared with you earlier tonight. So we have, you know, three real tracks that staff is trying to manage. One is the design track and right now we've got a concept but but we really need to get to more detailed information because the detailed information then helps you identify some of those things like it's not just square footage but what sort of finishes do you want because that determines your cost per square foot. Uh those sorts of details come out of the schematic design process. Uh the engagement track keeps us on track to be able to have that conversation with that information by the night toite night. And and then the funding track tonight, the resolution is asking uh for approval to go forward with professional services contracts for architecture and construction manager. We're going to talk a little bit more about that, but why that's important to keep us on track both with funding and with our public messaging and our understanding of the project. Any questions about this slide? Okay. Uh, and this just spells out uh what could happen if we don't go forward with a construction manager's agent and the architect. Uh, it it causes some we don't have the clarity of information that we need in order to make the decisions that have to be made. uh and it potentially uh if we are to get some of that that funding it jeopardizes the glide path that's necessary to secure that funding. Um and this is just a visual about you know it's it's a three-prong chair or our partners in terms of this process. Uh so this would be staff's recommendation for this evening and and this goes to the resolution uh would be to approve us to move forward with contracts with B KB group as our architect. >> I'll make that motion. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> Any discussion? All those in favor say I. >> I. >> And this is the last picture. And uh Council Member Baron, I put a duck on the pond just for you. Good. >> He did. He told me about it when he did it. >> It's a duck, not a loon. I love it. >> That looks like Looks like a three story. >> Wait till the dogs are there. >> So So that the center It looks like, but that center room is has a higher room. It's not a threetory building. >> Right. Well, that's all I have this evening. >> It's great to dream. Thank you for the dreams. Let's see what we can do to make it all work out. >> Can we Can we clarify the motion? I think the motion was made after the mention of the architect, but we include Krauss wasn't specifically named the actual request tonight. >> Yep. Just to clarify was the intent mark to uh resolution 202631. >> Yes. Authorizing engagement of professional services contract. >> Who seconded it? >> Was that also your intent? >> Yes. >> Everyone who voted, is that your intent? >> Yeah. Yes. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thanks, Sean. >> Okay. Um, what do we have now? No new business. Staff reports. >> Uh, so first, mayor and council, I'd request that uh the council um create or generate a personnel committee to talk about some personnel policy issues that have come up so that we can um have discussion and and move towards resolution to be prepared to address some of the questions that council has uh related to personnel policies. all volunteer. >> Um, >> I can jump on too if it's an option. >> What timeline are we looking at? >> So, mayor and council preferably uh sooner rather than later because there's some policy issues that So, as soon as possible. >> Thank you. >> Um, okay. Um, I mean, I I think I should probably be part of that. um and have been in the past. Um both you have been parts of different aspects of it. I >> don't know how I want to >> I'd like to make a nomination for for council member Nichols to be one of the committee members. >> Okay. Um >> so many cooks, such a small kitchen. Um in ter um I don't know how do we want to settle this >> member Nichols hasn't made his desire known >> I would be willing to do it. Um I think the last thing that was similar to this was when we were talking about how to best provide retention incentives for the police. And in that case, I think it was counselor Balma and I I think I had volunteered for academic reasons and John had a longer history of negotiating with u the police contracts. So does anybody have any special skills or background that would be useful for this specific committee? That's how I would decide. >> I think we all do. part of the I mean so you Mark you and I did this the CBA um Dean you've typically been personnel committee with me in the last couple years >> like you said you did the um I think John I don't know what to call that >> retention >> yeah the matrix so that we could not re recreate without >> cloning John's brain also in there >> could you have more than two council members because it's going to be an open It has to be open meetings anyways because it's a committee. >> No, not if it's two >> mayor council. The intent here I believe is to create a subgroup of the council that's not empowered as a committee. It would just be an advisory body. So it would not be subject to open meeting law. >> If you add a third member, >> right? >> Isn't any committee that council establishes subject to open meeting law? Not not if it's less than a quorum or less than a voting majority. >> You're using the term committee and committee is listed in the in the open meeting law as as definition of committee is given something power. So people will use the term committee but not it's not really a committee. It's just a subgroup of a larger body. >> Okay. I misheard then I was thinking he said personnel committee. >> I think that was the term used but the intent is not to empower this group of people to make a decision. would be to admitt. >> I don't know how I I think you guys all would be good at it. I don't know how to >> Ross cross >> got the most interest >> hard with three people. >> Um Shoot. Trying to think if we have to. Yeah, I probably have to vote on this now. Um, >> is there any staff on the committee or the advisory? >> So, the subcommittee would work with staff. So, my presumption would be at the very least the HR team and myself. Uh and then there there hasn't been a discussion of other because HR has been doing the primary work on policy. So that would be the team. So Nicia and Ryan would be the primary team. >> And again it is coming back to council for >> correct for that would be the intention. >> Yeah, >> Mr. Mayor. >> Yes. >> To take the heat off of us, what would that committee who would that committee like to see out of all of us? >> And we aren't arguing amongst ourselves. I'm not gonna touch that chick. What you did there, sir, that was not fair. >> Well, let's go outside and wrestle. Last person standing. Draw a name from >> Do you want to do by name in a hat? I don't have a hat. >> I was thinking >> even simpler. >> What's that? >> Or or everybody could write a name and submit it. That would be a different way to do it. I I was thinking mix these up, put them in something and I'll draw. >> Sure. Michelle draws. >> Fold them. >> She got your card. >> Just hold them out and she'll pick one out of your hand. >> That's That's exactly why. >> And the One, >> I congratulate us for not appointing a committee to select the committee. >> Dean, >> there you go. That works. >> The victor the spoils. >> Yes, the spoils of of another meeting. >> Happy to do. >> All righty. Um, >> do we need a motion for that subcommittee or >> advisory group? >> Advisory, whatever call it. Now I got to clean up my mess here. I threw it all the pens. >> Okay. Um, >> aren't we supposed to even for an advisory board have a council vote for that or not? >> You don't have a an annual appointment for it or anything? It's a group that's basically being created to deal with this kind of oneoff issue. So you a group that you will go forward with and it's probably appropriate to do it the same way you do your appointments. >> Okay. >> Because of the the limited scope of this >> because I think last year when we had the committee it was more than just one issue and and the committee just or the the advisory board just continued to the next personel thing. >> I don't believe we had a nominated for this and that was >> can Um, let's just do >> I I got what I needed, which is some people to talk to in order to help us prepare to bring it back to council. >> Okay. So So if there's not >> If we're all good with that, then good. Okay, good deal. I tore up my agenda. Uh, >> so uh, Mr. Mayor, I have I have two other things. Uh, one, let's bring that up. Uh, is an update. Just this is important. I suspect that council is going to receive some questions about this. This has to do with the current status of the park, its implications, uh on operations and specifically uh our upcoming recreation programming. And so, um there's been some delays uh particularly with the playground if you recall for for a couple different reasons because we had a change with playground. So, we originally thought it might be done in the fall. Um, it is not done yet. Uh, as a result of that, um, that's created some challenges and I'll turn it over for Natalie to talk. >> So, want to give you an update on the plan for spring and summer programming specifically. uh we're trying to balance keeping programming and spaces available to the community that have lower risk recognizing that we're balancing that with the high-risisk construction area as well. So what has been proposed and working in collaboration with both Jay and Kevin today is that spring baseball would be limited to the east side uh with uh parking arrangements on the east side and I will work with uh JCB or Jessica I will work with Jessica on getting a plan in place that would um get parking as organized as possible to make that work. Um and then for summer uh soccer which starts in July, the west side will open up a little bit more because a couple things will happen. Most uh concerning will be the playground should be installed by the end of May. Uh and so as part of that and part of the trail work finishing up as well. We will want to um close off some of the areas that were recently seated, but we do still have some fields up here to the north that were not impacted by this pro project for the most part at all. Um and so we want to get those open up for summer soccer. So that's our intent right now. Uh there would be some snow fencing that would be required and there will be a cost to that. I'm exploring how um the community development budget can absorb some if not all of that. Um but we are trying to make sure that not only is the western side having some availability for soccer but also so that we can have um the place as open as possible so people can enjoy the playground and the trail system this summer. >> So so off this map just to as you're going to get questions the intention right now is we need people to not go on the trail because if they go around the it drops them into the parking lot right in the heart of an active construction site. And so we are going to be closing off the trail on the north side so that people will stay off of the trail. And then we're also going to be have signage communicating that it's an active construction site trying to keep them away from everything on the west side. Oops. >> Sorry. >> Uh because the building is going to be done here relatively soon, but there's still a danger of little people's going into an active construction site. And so everything on the west side of of uh Lionsfield there to the south going all the way north if you just do that that lower right hand box that space will be accept accessible. Nothing else is supposed to be activated in the park. Now that said we continue to be a complaint based code enforcement community. We don't have anybody actively keeping people out of the space, nor are we going to hire anybody to do that. And so, we're going to do our best to communicate on social media, provide signage, and then it's going to be at your own risk and in order to try and mitigate some some of that. One correction though because our wreck program coordinator is typically on site for soccer. Um and we have talked about as another mitigation factor during programming to have them also be on site during baseball as well to keep them from venturing to the west. But that would be a part of already the scheduled hours. We would just adjust flex the hours to make the time work. >> I was alluding to the fact that there's already people on the trail. It's beautiful. >> Yeah, we're out there. Might as well just let them >> wander. But we are have signage and that might create some confusion. The trail looks done to me. The boardwalk's going to be done here soon. The reason is because we do not want them to be dumped into an active construction site. So, our primary concern is public safety. >> And when are we thinking that trail of the boardwalk part soon? >> Yeah, >> they'll be done with the playground in July. >> No, no, May. End of May. >> Oh, May. End of May. And and so with the with the spring soccer, we should be able to open it up later. >> Uh and then So, we will have that orange fencing up to keep them off of the the areas that we don't want them to go on because it needs to be protected, no traffic. >> And this is a proposed fencing, so we're going to work this out with this with the site contractor in conjunction with public works as well. So, this is just a mockup for getting the general idea of where the seated areas are that we want to have as untouched as possible. >> Sounds good. We considered other alternatives uh to the point of even collaborating with Rockford School District and we're relocating. Uh and the reality is the reason folks that would go to Rockford School are signing up here in Corkran is because they live in Corkran. >> Uh if they wanted to go do it in Rockford, they'd sign up in Rockford. And so we're we're trying to provide the best services that we can with programming, also ensuring the safety of the people that are participating. Just real quick, we've we've had the stuff blocked off and such and the folks I watch people kick it over and just walk by and stuff like that. What are we going to do to make it a little bit more permanent or it's the same thing we've had up and people drive through the orange stuff, push pull stakes, do all kinds of things? >> So, as far as programming, we are planning to have communication both before the season starts throughout the season and we plan to have someone on site as well that can help guide people especially something that were to happen so we can address it. Um as far as people doing that when staff isn't there I I think that that's unfortunately the risk of it but we do our best to mark off the areas provide signage provide communication um so we can't control for everyone we can't control for people making silly decisions uh but we do try to make the programing based reasonable behavior. >> And then the other question is the number of people using those ballparks for dog park is >> so back back to the code enforcement part if if you have a suggestion. I mean but us hiring a full-time person to go and make them do it turkeys or turkeys. I I don't know how to make them >> not be turkeys. I'm I'm looking more at those there's people out there not picking up after their animals doing those kind of things and you don't need somebody sitting there monitoring it. You can just somebody driving by you sit and watch the people whatever they're loose on leash it says on the sign must be leashed must be all of those things. Nobody's doing anything to enforce that stuff at all. I I do know that when Stevie is in the park throughout the summer, she she definitely has had conversations with people when their dogs are off the leash and things like that. So, I I it's more of when staff is on site. >> Um I I think to to Jay's point as far as having someone that's regularly doing that, I think we we have to identify where that would fit within the current responsibility. >> Just asking the kids I don't want them sliding through dog crap. It's super frustrating that people would be so selfish and disrespectful. Uh, it communicates and and we've talked about potentially putting dog poop bags up there and putting trash cans, but the people who are behaving that way >> aren't going to grab it. >> I know. >> Uh, and >> and we actually have real things that our police officers are doing in terms of taking care of safety of folks. And so, uh, for for us to police it, I I don't know how to have people behave morally and ethically. >> If if I had a suggestion, I'd tell you I just it's happening. I go out there personally. >> Shot collars. I don't >> I go out there personally and I've re set up signs. I've rerung the orange fencing and all that stuff and I've had people upset at me. This is closed. Please stay out. Who are you? >> Jeremy. >> I'm one of the city council members. I'm trying to keep you safe. >> They're mad at you for putting it back. >> Oh yeah. Oh yeah, >> they've got meta staff, too. >> Yeah, >> there's there's not in terms of what we can do. We don't have a lot of teeth. So, even if we were to sell the police over there and and have them do it, it's >> it's a a misdemeanor with not a high fee and they're just like, "Okay, they're just throwing money at us." We have a former council member that has a similar encounter with a >> an active pooper. >> Our public works folks mowing the grass and they're mowing piles of >> It's horrible. >> It's awful. So, we used to have that problem on in my neighborhood on the trails. And what seems to have happened is there were a few folks who were captured with photographs circulated on the neighborhood Facebook site. >> That's true. >> And the public shaming made it go away. And so you might want to think about do you want cameras and maybe some kind of a posting process when you have those kinds of violations that gets posted periodically or you have a notice board or something like that. >> So the Chesa Police Department has proactively adopted a public shaming policy. Uh that's exactly what I call it. Uh it hasn't been received well. >> Of course not. >> Yeah. Well well just just in terms of the p instead of people going shame on you should correct your behavior. The angst has been directed >> towards the city >> at towards the city. >> Uh and uh >> but from who? From the people who are being shamed or from the general public. >> From the general public from the general public going like really you don't have things better to do than this. And so if we were starting to post people, it's not hard to imagine certain social media sites saying really that's all you have to do is take pictures of people's dogs taking a dump. I think long-term solution, the best hopeful partial solution would be to build a dog park. >> DB is anti-public shaving. >> We're going to make her do it on her personal uh personal social media. She'll call people, text it out. >> Mark, >> would it be unreasonable to have them participate in a police taser training scenario? That's a famous question. >> The only recent volunteer that I've seen was actually your son. >> Yes. >> It's true. >> This is a great video. >> This is great. Thank you guys for your efforts. I'll keep doing what I've been trying to do. And there's treat dog owners I'll keep trying to correct. Even to the point though when we talk about creating a dog park, the folks who are behaving this way, they're not likely to go to the effort to go to the dog park. >> They won't go to the dog park. They'll keep coming >> like like bad actors or bad actors. Uh and and to the point like what what are appropriate ethically appropriate levers for us to pull um to incentivize them. Um we can provide a positive enforcement with a dog park, but they're probably not going to go to it because they're Who who are you to tell me where I can and can't do what I do? Uh >> I think that's fair. I want it to be make sure that we're not conflating that with reasons not to do a dog park. Also, other valid reasons, but I agree that you point you're making that people that are doing it are probably not going to park. >> It's sad, but some of our folks are likely >> and I would say that there's a high potential that some of them are not Corkin residents. Yeah, that that it might just be convenient. >> You can't ban people from a public park, can you? For misbehavior, >> Mr. It's hard to enforce. Here's what I So, we did experience that inverity to to try to trespass somebody. uh the threshold to get to trespass them, but then to enforce it and then what the repercussions are for enforcing it, it the juice to squeeze ratio is really off. >> Yeah. >> There's also some additional complications when you're talking about public property. Yeah. As well. So that's right. Um so so while you you know usually those notices that are temporary in nature are enforced >> like a permanent ban from parks is probably diff for example disruptive behavior or something along those lines you can you can have the person excluded for the remainder of the day that there are there is precedent for that but generally speaking just What about for the year? >> The longer you go, the harder it is to enforce >> teaser. >> Also discouraged. >> Yeah. >> All right. Anything else from staff? >> Nothing else from staff. >> Okay. Uh, anything from council? >> Yeah, Mr. Mayor. >> Yep. Um, if you ever want to keep JCB quiet, put a bunny hat on her head. >> She didn't say a word while she was desk. >> You just found us out now. >> Yeah. >> Been using this technology for years. >> It was It was absolutely glorious. She didn't say a word all while she was in the Easter Bunny outfit at the Lions Park. Um, great event. Ton of people. Everybody did very, very well. Um, reminder, Sunday is West Suburban's um, fundraising pancake dinner, handover's pancake dinner, everything they had. Um, not Easter Sunday, but the Sunday prior was outstanding. We really have some cool people that take care of us when things go bad. So, I ask everybody make the trip and support West Suburban. a suburban. I think it's 8 to noon. Open house. >> Lorettto station. >> Lorettto station. Yep. >> Madina Road. >> Sunday. >> Sunday. >> Sunday. >> Sunday. 8. >> Sunday. 8 to noon. Um, >> I think that's all I had. >> Sounds good. Anyone else? Other than that, our next meeting is the 23rd at 7 o'clock. And then after that, we have the updated um schedule with all the other stuff added in. After that, we have a cleanup day early May uh on the 28th. Unfortunately, I'll be out of town, but the uh next civic campus engagement at public works and then the following one just right after that on the 6th of May at St. If there's nothing else. >> Motion to adjurnn. Second. >> All those in favor say I. >> I.