>>COUN. LEWIS: THE TENTH MEETING OF THE 26th COUNCIL WILL COME TO ORDER. ALL COUNCILORS PRESENT. WE'LL START WITH A MOMENT OF SILENCE AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >>COUN. GROUT: CIVIC PLAZA PARKING PASSES ARE PROVIDED FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. YOU CAN OBTAIN A PARKING PASS FROM COUNCIL STAFF AT THE TABLE NEAR THE CHAMBER ENTRANCE. MEMBERS OFT PUBLIC, CITY STAFF AND MEDIA HAVE THE ABILITY TO VIEW THIS MEETING IN PERSON, AND ON LIVE STREAMS THREW FOUR DIFFERENT PLATFORMS. GOVTV ON COMCAST CHANNEL 16, THE GOVTV WEBSITE, YOUTUBE AND ZOOM. THE LIVE STREAMS CAN BE ACCESSED FROM MOST SMART PHONES TABLETS OR COMPUTERS. THIS MEETING IS CLOSED CAPTIONED AND YOU MAY ENABLE THESE SERVICES AN YOUR TELEVISION OR DEVICE AT THIS TIME. THE VIDEO RECORDING OF THIS WILL REMAIN AVAILABLE FOR VIEWING ON THE CITY COUNCIL WEBSITE. COUNCIL STAFF IS AVAILABLE VIA TELEPHONE IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC NEED ASSISTANCE FINDING THE VIDEOS ON LP. CALL 505-768-3100 FOR ASSISTANCE DURING BUSINESS HOURS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY 8 TO 5 P.M. THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE A BREAK AT APPROXIMATELY 7 P.M. IF NEEDED. WITH REGARD TO DOQUORUM IN THE CHAMBERS WE WANT TONIGHT'S PROCEEDINGS TO BE AS RESPECTFUL AS PAUL. THE MEETING WILL GO A LOT SMOOTHER IF WE ARE RESPECTFUL OF ONE ANOTHER. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: ITEM THREE. PROCLAMATIONS AND PRESENTATIONS. START WITH COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WE A PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZE MAY AS FOSTER PARENT APPRECIATION MONTH. STAN McKINNY AND MARILYN BECK AND KATE FROM THE NEW MEXICO CHILD-FIRST NETWORK ARE HERE TO ACCEPT. GOOD EVENING, LADIES. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR GROUT. >> I'M THE FOUNDER AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF NEW MEXICO CHILD FIRST NETWORK A NON-PROFIT DEDICATED TO IMPROVING THE LIVES OF CHILDREN IN FOSTER CARE. MAY IS FOSTER CARE AWARENESS MONTH. ONE IN THREE FOSTER PARENTS WILL RESIGN IN THE FIRST YEAR. IT'S CHALLENGING. WE WANT TO THANK THE CITY FOR SPONSORING THE SECOND ANNUAL FOSTER FAMILY PICNIC. I KNOW WE HAVE A VIDEO. JUST RECENTLY IF YOU WENT TO THE SAVANNAH BANANAS THEY WERE RECOGNIZED FOR FOSTERING OVER 100 CHILDREN IN THEIR TIME. >> BANANAS ARE CELEBRATING THE ALVARADO FAMILY. SINCE 2011 -- IN THE LAST 13 YEARS THEY WELCOMED OVER 100 CHILDREN INTO THEIR FAMILIES. >> THE ALVARADOS WURPT WEREN'T ABLE TO JOIN US BECAUSE THREE OF THE CHILDREN HAVE PINKEYE. THEY ARE ADOPTING FOUR MORE AND WILL TAKE CARE OF THREE ADDITIONAL. WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE CITY. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF FAMILY AND YOUTH AFFAIRS. THANK YOU FOR SUPPORTING FOSTER FAMILIES. IT'S DIFFICULT. BUT THERE ARE FAMILIES LIKE THE ALVARADOS EVERYWHERE. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO READ THIS PROCLAMATION ON BEHALF OF CITY COUNCIL. WHEREAS, SAFE, HEALTHY CHILDREN ARE THE KEY TO A SAFE, HEALTHY FUTURE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AND WHEREAS EVERY CHILD DESERVES TO GROW UP IN A CARING AND SUPPORTIVE HOME. DURING THOSE UNFORTUNATE TIMES WHEN CHILDREN CANNOT SAFELY REMAIN IN PRIMARY HOMES, COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT OPEN THEIR HEARTS AND HOMES TO FOSTER CHILDREN, PROVIDE A VITAL SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. AND WHEREAS, FOSTER FAMILIES PROVIDE THE LOVE, SAFETY AND STABILITY THAT CHILDREN NEED TO HELP OVERCOME PAST TRAUMATIC EXPERIENCES AND DEVELOP THEIR FULL POTENTIAL. WHEREAS, THE ALVARADO FAMILY HAS BEEN LICENSED TO PROVIDE FOSTER CARE SINCE 2011 AND HAVE WELCOMED MORE THAN 100 CHILDREN IN NEED. AND WHEREAS, CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE EXTENDS OUR GRATITUDE TO THE FAMILIES AND CHILD WELFARE STAFF AND PUBLIC AND PRIVATE AGENCIES THAT WORK TO ENSURE THAT ALL CHILDREN ARE SUPPORTED IN SUCCESS. BE IT PROCLAIMED THAT THE COUNCIL, THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE HEARBY JOINS THE NATION IN RECOGNIZING MAY AS NATIONAL FOSTER FAMILY APPRECIATION MONTH. AND DECLARES MAY 20th FOSTER FAMILY APPRECIATION DAY IN HONOR OF THE FOSTER PARENTS THAT ADVOCATE FOR THE CHILDREN IN THEIR CARE AND HELPING TO ENSURE THEIR BEST POSSIBLE FUTURES. I'D LIKE YOU ALL TO COME UP AND SEE THE COUNCILORS. [ APPLAUSE ] >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILORS, WE'RE ON OTHER BUSINESS, ITEM 15. WE'RE SCHEDULED TO GO TO A CLOSED EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THIS TO 20 MINUTES. WE'LL CONVENE OUR COUNCIL MEETING UP TO THAT TIME OR BEFORE THAT TIME. WE'LL TAKE ABOUT 20 MINUTES. I MOVE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS THREATENED OR PENDING LITIGATION AS PERMITTED BY 10-15-1-87-NMSA1978. THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. WE'LL CALL THE ROLL. [ ROLL CALL ]. >>COUN. BASSAN: YES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES. >>COUN. GROUT: YES. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: YES. >> PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. [ RECESS ] >>COUN. LEWIS: I AFFIRM THAT THE MATTERS DISCUSSED IN EXECUTIVE SESSION WERE LIMITED TO THOSE SPECIFIED MOTION FOR CLOSURE. ANY QUESTION FOR THE ADMINISTRATION? COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I HAVE A FEW THINGS TO SAY TONIGHT. QUESTIONS AND SO FORTH, BUT I WANTED TO START WITH I WAS REALLY EXCITED TO RECEIVE THIS EMAIL ABOUT THE JOB AND RESOURCE FAIR THAT CONNECT -- THAT WAS HELD AT THE WEHC. I WANTED TO COMMEND MARIA WOLFE. AND ALL OF THE 19 VENDORS THAT WENT OUT AND WERE ABLE TO HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE. 132 PEOPLE RECEIVED INFORMATION ABOUT EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES. THEY HAD THE NEW MEXICO DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH ADMINISTERED VACCINES. THEY DID SOME TESTING. 32 PEOPLE ALSO RECEIVED FOLLOW-UP ASSESSMENTS TO ENROLL IN VETERAN'S ORGANIZATIONS AND -- OR SO MANY THINGS. ROADRUNNER FOOD BANK WAS OUT THERE. IT WAS A HUGE SUCCESS. I'D LIKE TO THANK ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PARTICIPATING ORGANIZATIONS. I THINK WE SHOULD DO THIS MORE OFTEN. THIS WAS REALLY GOOD. I APPRECIATE THAT. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, VICE-PRESIDENT GROUT, I AGREE WITH YOU THIS IS REALLY AN EXCEPTIONAL OPPORTUNITY TO BRING TOGETHER AGENCIES AND PARTNERS FROM ACROSS THE CITY THAT ALL ARE SPECIALIZED IN THEIR CRAFT AND PROVIDING SERVICES. WE CELEBRATED WITH ALL OF THE DIRECTORS BECAUSE WE FELT LIKE THIS ONE OF THE OPPORTUNITIES TO EXPAND HOW WE THINK ABOUT ENSURING INDIVIDUALS AND HAVING THE RESOURCES TO MOVE THROUGH THE CONTINUUM IN THEIR OWN DECISION-MAKING AROUND HOUSING, THEIR EMPLOYMENT AND ALL OF THE OTHER SERVICES THEY HAVE AVAILABLE. WE PLAN TO REPLICATE AND GROW THE OPPORTUNITY. >>COUN. GROUT: MONTHLY WOULD BE AWESOME. I KNOW IT'S HARD. SO QUARTERLY WOULD BE AWESOME. >> THE GREAT NEWS, I'M SORRY, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, WE HAD SEVERAL AGENCIES AND PARTNERS REACH OUT WHEN THEY HERD ABOUT THE SUCCESS OF IT AND SAY WE WANT TO BE PART OF THIS. I THINK WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. >>COUN. GROUT: VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE A FEW MORE. WHERE DID THEY GO? OKAY. BACK AT OUR APRIL 5th MEETING, I THINK IT WAS, I ASKED THE HOUSING HHH ABOUT A $1.8 MILLION ALLOCATION IN THE FISCAL '23 BUDGET. AND FOR THE YOUTH SOBERING FACILITY. MR. RAMIREZ WASN'T ABLE TO IDENTIFY WHAT THAT WAS. I WANTED TO ASK OUR STAFF, MARK, IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE FOR SOME QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. LET'S SEE, COULD YOU TELL US HOW THAT MONEY WAS SPENT SINCE IT WAS NOT SPENT ON A SEPARATE SOBER FACILITY FOR YOUTH WITHIN THE GATEWAY? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, VICE-PRESIDENT GROUT. ACCORDING TO OUR RECORDS, HHH LAST YEAR AS FAMILY AND COMMUNITY SERVICES BECAUSE THEY'RE SPLIT INTO TWO DEPARTMENTS REVERTED, AS IN DIDN'T SPEND, APPROXIMATELY $16.2 MILLION ACROSS MULTIPLE PROGRAMS. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. DID THAT GO BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT YES. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT PROJECTS WERE FUNDED BUT NOT COMPLETED BY THE END OF THAT FISCAL YEAR? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, THE LARGE ONE, ACCORDING TO OUR LEDGER, WAS IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING VOUCHERS. THEY REVERTED APPROXIMATELY $8 MILLION. WHICH IS WHY IN TONIGHT'S BUDGET YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET THEY REDUCED THEIR PROPOSED ALLOCATION FROM FY24 TO FY25 IN $15 MILLION TO APPROXIMATE 7 OR$8 MILLION. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU FOR THAT. I THINK THAT'S IS SIGNIFICANT. VERY INTERESTING, TOO, ISN'T IT? LOOKING AT THE LEDGER, $16 MILLION IS A LOT TO RETURN. ESPECIALLY IN THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AREA. CAN THE ADMINISTRATION RESPOND IN ANY WAY? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, I THINK GILBERT CAN SPEAK FOR MANY OF THOSE IN DETAIL THAT WOULD BE BEYOND WHAT I PROVIDE FOR YOU ALL. WHAT I KNOW IS THAT WE HAVE MULTIPLE PROGRAMS, WE HAVE MULTIPLE CONTRACTS, AND WE FUND THOSE FOR THE SERVICES AND WITH WORK WITH MANY, MANY DIFFERENT NON-PROFITS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. I THINK SOMETIMES THE REALITY IS IN THE ONE SPECIFIC YOU MENTIONED, WHEN WE DO NOT HAVE THE PROVIDER OR THE FACILITY OPENED YET, OF COURSE THE PRUDENT THING IS TO RETURN THAT OR BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND. I'LL LET GILBERT SPEAK TO SOME OF THE SPECIFICITIES. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR GROUT. THE SPECIFIC TO THE MED SOBERING PROJECT, I CLARIFIED THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE A PROVIDER ONBOARD TO TAKE THAT. IT WAS REVERTED. IN REGARD TO THE VOUCHER MONEY, MUCH LIKE THIS YEAR IT REQUIRES A LAYER OF ABILITY TO HAVE UNITS PLACED INDIVIDUALS AND ALSO NON-PROFITS CAPACITIES TO GET THEM THROUGH. WE INFORMED YOU, IT TAKES ON AVERAGE 200 DAYS TO GET SOMEBODY PLACED AND HOUSED AND GET THE UNIT FOR INDIVIDUALS. THE TIME AND LENGTH ROLLS INTO WHY THAT WAS REVERTED. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. I REMEMBER -- I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. BUT I REMEMBER THAT WE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE SOBERING CENTER FOR YOUTH A COUPLE YEARS AGO. AND LAST YEAR DURING FISCAL YEAR 24 A COUNCIL PROJECT, SPECIAL PROJECT WE FUNDED A MILLION DOLLARS TO THE SERENITY MESA. AND WE COULD HAVE DONE THIS A YEAR BEFORE. BECAUSE WE ASKED A PREVIOUS DIRECTOR WE GOT A PLACE THAT WANTS TO DO IT AND WE HAVE A PLACE THAT WANTS TO DO IT AND IT WAS NIXED. WE HAD A WHOLE YEAR THAT WE HAD CHILDREN THAT NEEDED SERVICES AND WE WEREN'T ABLE TO SERVICE THEM AS WE SHOULD HAVE. WHEN WE HAD THE MONEY IN ORDER, WE HAD THE PROVIDERS THAT WANTED TO DO THIS. I WOULD HOPE THAT WE HAVE BETTER COMMUNICATION SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THIS FALL THROUGH THE CRACKS. IT'S THAT IMPORTANT TO ME. THESE CHILDREN ARE THAT IMPORTANT. AND SO, THAT'S WHY I KEEP BRINGING IT UP. WE HAVE TO DO BETTER. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, VICE-PRESIDENT GROUT, ABSOLUTELY. I'M ONE OF THE ONES THAT WOULD STAND BY CHAMPIONING THAT IN REGARD THERE'S NO YOUTH DETOXES IN OUR STATE OR CITY OR COUNTY. WHEN THAT FUNDING CAME THROUGH THERE WAS MISCOMMUNICATION WHETHER IT WAS CAPITAL OR OPERATIONAL. THAT CREATED CHALLENGES. WHAT STOOD UP NOW CAPITAL IS HANDLED THROUGH THE STATE AND CIP. FOR THE COUNTY WE'RE STANDING UP CERTIFICATION WITH TRIAGE TAKES TIME. WE'RE GLAD WE'RE IN THE SPACE TO MOVE FORWARD AND THE COUNTY CONTRIBUTED TO MAKE SURE THOSE FACILITIES ARE DONE. >>COUN. GROUT: I'M EXCITED FOR THAT OPENING AND WE CAN HELP THOSE KIDS. THEY'RE READY TO DO IT. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS IS FOR DIRECTOR SIMON, IF HE'S OUT THERE. THIS PAST WEEKEND WE HAD THE NATIONAL RIVER'S CLEAN UP DAY. IN CONJUNCTION WE SUPPORT -- OR HOSTED A RAPID TRIP DOWN THE RIO GRANDE. LOT OF PEOPLE FORGET WE HAVE A RACE DOWN THE RIO GRANDE IN THE CITY EVERY YEAR. I WANTED TO SAY A BIG THANK YOU TO DIRECTOR SIMON, OPEN SPACE, KIRTLAND AIR FORCE, RECREATION, QUIET WATER, EVERYBODY THAT CAME OUT. WE HAD SEVERAL FOLKS THAT HAD NEVER BEEN ON THE RIVER. WE PICKED UP A TON OF TRASH. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD A MEASURE. SEVERAL SHOPPING CARTS. THE RIVER IS SAFE TO GO RAFTING IN. DON'T DRINK IT. >> THANK YOU, COUNCILOR, FOR YOUR INITIATIVE AND WORKING WITH US ON THE PROJECT. I WOULD SAY YOU'RE PRETTY GOOD WITH A DOUBLE BLADED PADDLE, YOURSELF. I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF TRASH WE DID DISPOSE OF. WE HAD OVER 100 VOLUNTEERS IN THE RIVER AND ON THE BOSQUE. THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY VOLUNTEER EFFORT, AND THAT'S WONDERFUL TO SEE. PERSONALLY, I STARTED OUT THE FLOAT WITH ONE BOAT AND I FINISHED WITH TWO BOATS. YOU FIND THINGS ALONG THE WAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT. WE SHOULD TRY TO KEEP IT UP. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN AND COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I'M WONDERING, RECENTLY WE LEARNED FROM I.T. THAT EMAILS WERE GOING TO ACROSS THE BOARD BE DELETED FOR EVERY EMAIL ACCOUNT. AFTER THREE YEARS OR FIVE YEARS. I DON'T WANT THAT. I UNDERSTAND WE NEED SOME TIME AND WE NEED SPACE IN THE UNIVERSE FOR DIGITAL WHATEVER. BUT I WANT EMAILS. AND I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY TO JUST CLEAN OUT ALL OF THE EMAILS BECAUSE, I MEAN, I KNOW IN MY OFFICE WE EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE AND GO BACK TO EVEN WHEN MY PREDECESSOR WAS HERE AND REFERENCE SOME OF THE PROJECTS AND COMMUNICATIONS THAT HAPPENED WITH CONSTITUENTS EVEN BEFORE THAT -- BEFORE I WAS AROUND. THINGS GET FORGOTTEN OR THIS OR THAT AND IT'S VERY HELPFUL TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE. FOR SOMEBODY TO ELSE COME IN AND SAY THIS IS THE TIMELINE, IT'S NO LONGER RELEVANT IS NOT REALLY ACCURATE. I'M HOPING -- WE CAN REVISIT HOW THOSE DELETIONS WILL OR WILL NOT OCCUR AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO ABOUT IT. I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO COME IN ONE DAY, I'M ALMOST FINISH MY FIFTH YEAR AND I DON'T WANT TO COME IN IN JANUARY AND THINGS FROM 2020 WHICH ARE ALSO RELEVANT, ARE JUST GONE. WHEN MAYBE I NEED THEM FOR WHATEVER OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT NOT REALIZE. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, I APPRECIATE THE CONCERN. AS A LARGE ENTITY WITH SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF EMAIL TRAFFIC, I EXPERIENCED THIS IN PREVIOUS INSTITUTIONS WHERE WE HAD TO REALLY THINK ABOUT WAS THE RIGHT TIME FRAME FOR RETENTION IN WHAT IS AN EMAIL IS ACTUALLY TRANSITORY COMMUNICATION THAT DON'T NEED TO BE RETAINED AS A RECORD. THERE IS WAYS FOR US TO ENSURE THAT THINGS THAT SHOULD BE KEPT WILL BE KEPT. AND D.T.I. WORKED WITH ALL OF US WITHIN OUR AREAS TO MAKE SURE FOLKS KNEW HOW TO PUT EMAILS IN PLACES TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE STORED AND KEPT SO WE WOULDN'T LOSE THE RECORDS WHEN NEEDED. IT IS A FACTOR OF RESOURCES. IT COSTS US TO STORE AND WE WANTED TO BE GENEROUS IN TERMS OF THE TAME FROM. IT WAS AN EFFORT BETWEEN OUR CITY ATTORNEYS OFFICE, THE CLERK'S OFFICE, AND THE DTI TO COME UP WITH WHAT THEY FELT WAS A REASONABLE TIME PERIOD. I BELIEVE THAT DTI CAN WORK WITH YOU TO FIND WAYS FOR ANY RECORD THAT YOU WANT TO KEEP WITHIN YOUR EMAIL BOXES SO THAT THOSE THINGS CAN BE RETAINED. FOR YOUR CONVENIENCE, OR FOR YOUR RECORD. BUT THE INTENT IS REALLY FOR US TO BEGIN TO ACTUALLY BE MORE CONSCIOUS ABOUT WHAT IS BEING HELD IN BOTH OUR GROUND AND CLOUD STORAGE. >>COUN. BASSAN: I WOULD BE HAPPY FOR THEM TO WORK WITH ME BECAUSE THE ALTERNATIVE IS TO PRINT OUT THE EMAILS AND I DON'T THINK WE WANT THAT. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. MY QUESTION JUST -- I RECEIVED THE PRESS RELEASE SAYING OUR PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION ON ENCAMPMENTS HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN. I'D LIKE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS FOR OUR RESPONSE. I SEE IN THE PRESS RELEASE IT SAYS ALTHOUGH THE INJUNCTION IS NO LONGER IN PLACE THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE WILL OFFER SHELTER AND RESOURCES TO THOSE EXPERIENCING HOMELESS IN THE COMMUNITY. TODAY, WE WERE ON A SITE VISIT WITH PARTNERS FOR COMMUNITY CHOICE GRANT FOR HUD, IN THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT AND WE SAW ENCAMPMENT OPERATIONS REALLY, THE MOST I'VE SEEN ON ONE DAY, IT FEELS LIKE THEY MADE THE ANNOUNCEMENT ON FRIDAY AND LET'S GET HARD TO IT ON MONDAY. LITERALLY DURING THIS THREE-HOUR TOUR, I SAW FIVE DIFFERENT IN -- JUST PEOPLE ON THE SIDEWALKS CLEARING THOSE. I DIDN'T SEE ACS, NO RESOURCES OFFERED. WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS AND IT SAYS THIS DECISION REFLECTS OUR SHARED COMMITMENT TO FAIR AND JUST OUTCOMES, BUT TODAY IT FELT LIKE WE'RE OUT MUCH MORE WITH A VENGEANCE, IT FELT LIKE, THAN BEFORE. CAN YOU HELP ME. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN AS FAR AS THE PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION BEING WITHDRAWN AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN FOR OUR RESPONSE, NOW? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU THE NON-LEGAL RESPONSE. IF WE NEED MS. KEEFE TO RESPOND IN TERMS RELATE TO THE INJUNCTION. WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH ALL OF THE STAFF THAT DO THE WORK AND EXPLAINS WHAT IT MEANS. IT DOES NOT CHALLENGE US FROM OUR STANDARD OF CARE IN TERMS OF ENSURING OUR INTERACTION IS FOLLOWING OUR CITY POLICY WHICH WE HAVE DONE THROUGHOUT AND ARE ADHERING TO. THAT INCLUDES OFFERING EVERY INDIVIDUAL SHELTER AND OFFERING TO STORE WHEN WE HAVE AN ENT COUNTER. I BELIEVE WHAT OFTEN HAPPENS IS MONDAY IS A DAY THAT THERE IS MORE -- BECAUSE WE DON'T SPEND TIME ON THE WEEKENDS, MONDAYS ARE ALWAYS MUCH HIGHER INTERACTIONS HAPPENING IN TERMS OF FOLKS HAVING MADE PHONE CALLS OVER THE WEEKEND WHEN WE GET 311 REQUESTS AS WELL AS THE VOLUME AND DENSITY ISSUES THAT MAY OCCUR. I SUSPECT IT MAY HAVE LOOKED -- AS A RESULT OF IT BEING MONDAY IT MAY HAVE LOOKED MORE LIKE THAT THAN USUAL. WE HAVE NOT BACKED OFF OUR COMMITMENT OF THE 72 HOURS NOTICE TO THE OFFER OF SHELTER AND STORAGE WHEN WE HAVE INTERACTIONS. EVEN THERE ISN'T AN INJUNCTION WE BELIEVE OUR CITY POLICY IS APPROPRIATE WAY FOR US TO INTERACT AND ENSURE WE'RE TAKING CARE OF INDIVIDUALS. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE ACS COMES IN ADVANCE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S AN APPROPRIATE AND NON-THREATENING OR NON- -- WHEN I SAY THREATENING, ACS IS THERE TO OFFER SERVICE AND NOT THERE TO MOVE INDIVIDUALS OR ITEMS. WE WANT TO KEEP THOSE AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE SEPARATE FROM EACH OTHER SO IT BUILDS TRUST WITH ACS AND INDIVIDUALS. OFTEN YOU WON'T SEE ACS ON-SITE AT THE SAME TIME. THEY WILL HAVE COME EARLIER OR ON A PREVIOUS DAY TO HAVE THOSE SERVICE CONVERSATIONS AND SUPPORT CONVERSATIONS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. IS ACS DOING THE 72-HOUR NOTIFICATION? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, THEY CAN GIVE 72 HOURS. TYPICALLY IT'S THE INTERACTION TEAM OR APD THAT MAY GIVE THOSE 72-HOUR NOTICES. OR IF THEY'RE IN A PARK FOR INSTANCE YOU MAY GET A NOTICE FROM PARK STAFF. >>COUN. ROGERS: CAN WE CHANGE THE PROCESS TO HAVE ACS WHEN WE DELIVER THE 72-HOUR NOTICE? BECAUSE TO ME IT MAKES NO SENSE TO SAY 72 HOURS YOU HAVE TO VACATE, BUT WE'RE HERE TO OFFER THE SERVICES BUT WITHIN 72 HOURS. AND WHEN WE COME BACK TO CLEAR YOU, THROW AWAY YOUR BELONGINGS IN A TRASH CAN. THERE'S NO SERVICES. I THINK -- I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR FOR THIS TO OUR MEETING BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT TO GET TO. I WOULD LIKE TO WORK WITH YOUR TEAM WITH HOW YOU'RE RESPONDING IN DISTRICT SIX. EVERYBODY I TALKED TO WHEN I STOPPED TO ASK HAS NOT BEEN OFFERED RESOURCES AND NOT BEEN OFFERED STORAGE. I STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN A BREAK DOWN FROM THE TEAM IF HOW THEY GET ACCESS IF THEY STORE STUFF. I ASKED FOR THAT A MONTH AGO AND HAVEN'T RECEIVED THAT. I DO MY BEST WHEN COMMUNITY REACHES OUT TO ME TO SPEAK TO THE PROCESS. I NEED TO HAVE FAITH THE PROCESS IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING. WHAT I'M SEEING WITH MY OWN EYES EVERY DAY IN MY DISTRICT, WE'RE NOT. I DON'T WANT TO KEEP USING OUR TIME HERE FOR IT. MAYBE WE CAN COME TOGETHER AND GET A BETTER RESPONSE. WE DID IT ONCE IN MY DISTRICT ON UTAH AND CHICO. BUT I THINK IF WE WORK TOGETHER WE CAN HAVE A BETTER RESPONSE. >> COUNCILOR ROGERS, WE'RE HAPPY TO TALK WITH YOU AND EXPLAIN SOME OF THE NUANCE AND CHALLENGES WE HAVE WITH ACS STAFFING. WE'LL ABSOLUTELY TALK THROUGH EVERY DETAIL TO TALK ABOUT EACH OF THE SCENARIOS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I WOULD LOVE TO SIT IN ON THE ENCAMPMENT MEETINGS AND HOW YOU'RE DEPLOYING THEM. >>COUN. LEWIS: A FEW MATTERS FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. MS. KEEFE, I JUST WANT TO REFER TO THE JOURN ARTICLE THIS MORNING, A FEW THINGS WRITTEN IN THERE. YOU'RE QUOTED. THERE'S ONE STATEMENT THAT SAID THAT KEEFE SAID SHE FREQUENTLY WORKS WITH COUNCILORS TO DRAFT AND CONSULT ON LEGISLATION. BUT ATTORNEYS HAVE OBLIGATIONS TO CLIENTS AND IN KEEFE'S CASE SHE'S OBLIGATED TO FOLLOW THE MAYOR'S LEAD. YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE COUNCIL DIRECTORS AS WELL AS THE MAYOR'S? >> IT WILL DEPEND ON THE INDIVIDUAL QUESTION BEFORE ME. THAT'S ACCORDING TO THE RULES OF ETHICS. ATTORNEYS THAT REPRESENTATIONS ORGANIZATIONS WITH A CLIENT. MY OBLIGATION IS TO IDENTIFY THE CONSTITUENT DECISION-MAKER FOR EACH CASE AND TO CONSULT WITH THAT CONSTITUENT DECISION-MAKER. SOMETIMES THAT'S THE MAYOR. SOMETIMES THAT'S THE COUNCIL. SOMETIMES THAT'S BOTH. I MAKE THAT DETERMINATION AND THEN I ENGAGE IN THAT CONSULTATION. >>COUN. LEWIS: THE SECTION OF OUR CHARTER UNDER AUTHORITY AND DUTIES OF THE CITY ATTORNEY, IT SAYS BOTH PERSONALLY AND THROUGH ASSISTANTS OF THE CITY ATTORNEYS REPRESENT THE CITY AND COURTS AND HE OR SHE SHALL ADVISE THE MAYOR COUNCIL AS TO LEGAL MATTERS. YOU'RE SAYING AS FAR AS ADVICE WOULD GO THROUGH THE DECISION-MAKER ON A PARTICULAR MATTER? I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, THAT'S CORRECT. WHEN IT'S A PARTICULAR MATTER THAT ARISES, I IDENTIFY THE PART OF THE CITY THAT IS THE DECISION-MAKER AND ON THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE ALREADY ETHICILY BOUND TO CONFLICT YOURSELF AND YOUR OFFICE OUT OF THE SITUATION WHERE THE COUNCIL AND ADMINISTRATION ARE AT ODDS. >> I AGREE WITH THAT AND HAVE DONE SO IN THE PAST THREE YEARS. >>COUN. LEWIS: SURE. THE CHARTER SAYS, THE NEW MEXICO RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT REPRESENTATION INVOLVING A CONCURRING CONFLICT OF INTEREST A LAWYER SHOULD NOT REPRESENT THE CLIENT IF IT INVOLVES CURRENT CONFLICT OF INTEREST. IT EXISTS IF THE REPRESENTATION WILL BE ADVERSE TO THE OTHER OR SIGNIFICANT RISK THAT REPRESENTATION OF THE CLIENT WILL HURT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE OTHER CLIENT. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE PROHIBITED IN ADVOCATING IN POLICIES IN REGARD TO MATTERS WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT THAT IS LIKELY TO BE CALLED UPON FOR ADVISEMENT OR REPRESENTATION? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, THAT'S CORRECT. >>COUN. LEWIS: AGAIN, REFERRING TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND ASSISTANT ATTORNEY ARE PROHIBITED FROM ENGAGING IN POLICY ADVOCACY RELATING TO MATTERS UPON WHICH THE CITY LEGAL DEPARTMENT HAS OR LIKELY TO BE CALLED UPON FOR THE ADVISEMENT OR REPRESENTATION. I GUESS IT -- DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS REPRESENTED IN THE MAY 19th JOURNAL, THAT WAS YOU TOOK A POLICY POSITION ON BEHALF OF THE MAYOR. IT SEEMS TO BE VIOLATION OF THE ORDINANCE. >> I DID NOT SEE THAT AS A POLICY. I WAS ASKED A FACTUAL QUESTION BY THE REPORTER AND I ANSWERED IT. >>COUN. LEWIS: DO YOU SEE HOW IT COULD BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST? THESE ARE MATTERS AND CLEARLY STATED THAT I THINK THAT YOU COULD SEE THAT THERE WAS A CONFLICT BETWEEN THE POLICY DECISION OF BOTH THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, I DIDN'T SEE IT AS A POLICY STATEMENT. I ALSO HAVE DID REVIEW THAT ORDINANCE, I WAS PRESENT WHEN THAT WAS PASSED. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT I VIOLATED IT. THAT ORDINANCE DOES SPECIFY THERE CAN BE EXPRESSION OF OPINION. AGAIN, I WAS ASKED FACTUAL QUESTION REGARDING MY ROLE AND I CLARIFIED MY ROLE. >>COUN. LEWIS: YOU TOLD THE JOURNAL YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO FOLLOW THE MAYOR'S DIRECTORS IN THAT MATTER? >> I DID. THAT IS FACTUALLY CORRECT. >>COUN. LEWIS: THAT YOU'RE OBLIGATED? >> YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: EVEN THOUGH THE COUNCIL IS MAKING DECISION MATTERS. >> YOU ASKED ME A QUESTION. ON SOME MATTERS THE MAYOR IS THE DECISION-MAKER. UNDER RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT THAT GOVERN ATTORNEYS, WHEN THE MAYOR IS THE DECISION-MAKER HE IS THE DECISION-MAKER AND I HAVE TO IMPLEMENT HIS DECISION. I WAS CLARIFYING THAT FOR THE NEWSPAPER. >>COUN. LEWIS: IN THE QUESTION. >> JUST AS WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE DECISION-MAKER I FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTION OF CITY COUNCIL. >>COUN. LEWIS: DID YOU SEE THE MATTER YOU'RE ASKED ABOUT IN THAT -- >> I WASN'T ASKED ABOUT A MATTER. I WAS ASKED ABOUT MY ROLE. >> IN THIS ROLE, IN THIS MATTER, YOU EMPHASIZED TO THE JOURNAL YOU'RE OBLIGATED TO FOLLOW THE MAYORS DIRECTIVES? >> NO, THE QUOTE IN THE JOURNAL IS NOT A DIRECT QUOTE. I EXPLAINED THE SAME -- I EXPLAINED THE SAME ROLE TO THE JOURNAL. SOMETIMES COUNCIL IS THE CLIENT, SOMETIMES THE MAYOR IS A CLIENT. AND INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS ARE CLIENTS. IT DEPENDS ON EACH MATTER. >>COUN. LEWIS: YOU DON'T SEE YOURSELF ADVOCATING IN ANY WAY? >> I DID NOT. I JUST DESCRIBED MY ROLE. >>COUN. LEWIS: MAYBE YOU WEREN'T QUOTED DIRECTLY, BUT CERTAINLY APPEARS THAT YOU'RE TAKE A POLICY POSITION REGARDING. >> IT WAS NOT MY INTENT, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT I DID. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MOVE TO THE JOURNAL. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE MAY 6th JOURNAL. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOTION AND SECOND FOR APPROVAL. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. MOTION PASSES. ITEM 6 IS COMMUNICATION AND INTRODUCTIONS. CHANGES TO THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION? COUNCILOR GROUT. BEFORE WE GET THERE, ANY CHANGES TO THE LETTER? COUNCILOR GROUT. SDMRG I MOVE . >>COUN. GROUT: I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOTION AND SECOND FOR APPROVAL. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES. REPORTS OF COMMITTEE. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THE FINANCE AND GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS -- >>COUN. LEWIS: ONE MOMENT. >> NOT ALL COUNCILORS RAISED THEIR HAND. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL UNANIMOUS. >> THANK YOU. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THE FINANCE AND GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS COMMITTEE MET ON MONDAY MAY HAD 13th. IN THE MATTER OF EC-110, EC-111, EC-112 113 114 115 29 30 131, LET ME GET PACK, AND 132, THAT THEY BE APPROVED. IN THE MATTER OF EC-117, 144, 145, 147, THEY BE APPROVED AND ACTED UPON IN THE MEETING WHICH THEY'RE REPORTED. IN THE MATTER OF R-45, AND O-21 THEY BE WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION AS SUBSTITUTED. IN THE MATTER OF EC-116, 128, 141, OC-12, THAT RECEIPT BE NOTED. IN THE MATTER OF O-19, R-41, AND R-42, BE WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION. IN THE MATTER OF O-20, IT DO PASS. AND BE ACTED UPON AT THE MEETING WHICH IT IS REPORTED. IN THE MATTER OF R-30, R-32, R-39, R-51 DO PASS. I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE REPORT. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOTION AND SECOND TO ACCEPT THAT REPORT. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE MET ON WEDNESDAY MAY 15th. THE MATTER OF O-22&R-46 DO PASS. O-17 WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION. O-13 BE WITHOUT RAMMEDATION. I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE REPORT. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOVED AND SECONDED. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES. COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MET ON THURSDAY MAY 16th AND REPORTS THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. IN THE MATTER OF R-36 AND R-40 DO PASS AS SUBSTITUTED AND AMENDED AND BE ACTED UPON THE MEETING WHICH THEY'RE REPORTED. I MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE REPORT. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOVED ASK SECONDED BY COUNCILOR GROUT. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES. WE'LL GO TO THE DEFERRALS AND WITHDRAWLS. ANY AT THIS TIME? THERE ARE NONE. ITEM 8 IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA. ANY CHANGES TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. INDIVIDUALS ON TONIGHT'S CONSENT AGENDA BEING APPOINTED TO SERVE ON A BOARD OR COMMISSION THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: SECOND. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR SANCHEZ TO APPROVE THE CUPSENT AGENDA. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM 9 IS ANNOUNCEMENTS. I'LL MENTION THIS. TOMORROW IS A GROUNDBREAKING FOR THE NEW NORTHWEST MULTI-GENERATIONAL CENTER. IT'S ON CIBOLA LOOP NORTHWEST. IT'S A LONG-AWAITED GROUNDBREAKING FOR AN INCREDIBLE FACILITY BUILT ON THE WEST SIDE. THE DEPARTMENT OF SENIOR AFFAIRS, THANK YOU TO OUR DIRECTOR AND SO MANY OTHERS. OF COURSE WITH OUR MDV DEPARTMENT, MUNICIPAL DEVELOPMENT, AND LEADERS THERE AND SO MANY PEOPLE. ALL OF THEM WORKING HARD ON THIS. APPRECIATE THE MAYOR'S SUPPORT AND LEADERSHIP ON THIS MULTI-GEN CENTER. IT'S SPANNED SEVERAL COUNCILORS AND A LOT OF ELECTED OFFICIALS AND REPRESENTATIVES WHO HAVE REALLY CHAMPIONED THIS PROJECT. IF YOU'RE AVAILABLE TOO, AND THAT'S ALL OF THE CITY COUNCILS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO HELP US CELEBRATE THAT TOMORROW AT 2 O'CLOCK. WE'LL GO TO FINANCIAL INSTRUMENTS. >>COUN. PEÑA: O-20 IS AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE AND SALE OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO LODGERS TAX IMPROVEMENT BONDS TAXABLE SERIES 2024 NOT TO EXCEED $1 MILLION. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: SECOND. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. THIS IS O-20. ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? >> NO, MR. PRESIDENT. SDMRL ALL RIGHT. >>COUN. LEWIS: ANY COMMENTS FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, WE URGE YOUR SUPPORT. WE HAVE CHRIS BOND COUNCIL HERE IF YOU LIKE HIM TO SPEAK. HE CAN SUMMARIZE WHAT WE'RE DOING. >>COUN. LEWIS: ANY QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THAT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES. THAT BRINGS US TO APPEAL. THERE ARE NONE. WE'RE GOING TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN PROVIDE LIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE COUNCIL IN PERSON OR VIRTUALLY IF THEY SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT PER ININSTRUCTIONS ON THE AGENDA AND ON OUR WEBSITE ON FRIDAY. GROUND RULES EACH PERSON WILL BE GIVEN TWO MINUTES TO SPEAK. COMMENTS ARE TO BE ADDRESSED TO THE COUNCILORS ONLY THROUGH THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT. ANY DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT OR COMMENT OR -- WILL RESULT IN REMOVAL OF THE MEETING. TWO-MINUTE INDICTMENT LIMIT, THE BELL RINGS THAT INDICATES TIME IS UP. PLEASE CALL THE FIRST SPEAKER. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS FRANCESCO FOLLOWED BY CATHERINE. >> AROUND CHRISTMAS TIME THE CONVERSATION WAS ABOUT HOW THE THREE BRANCHES OF OUR GOVERNMENT KEEP POINTING THE FINGER AT THE OTHER ONE AS TO WHY WE CAN'T DO WHAT WE WANT TO DO. THAT WAS THEN AND THIS IS NOW. TWO WORDS, CONSTRUCTIVE CONVERSATION. IT'S NOT JUST THE ADMINISTRATION, IT'S NOT JUST CITY COUNCIL, BUT IT'S EVERYBODY IN THE SAME ROOM AT THE SAME TIME. AND IT'S NOT JUST THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE HERE IN THE THUNDER DOME. IT'S THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROOM THAT WERE THERE. THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROOM. IT'S THE BEAUTIFUL WE THE PEOPLE ON THIS SIDE OF THE ROOM. AND IT'S THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE FROM THE COUNTY, THE BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE FROM THE STATE ALL THE SAME ROOM, AT THE SAME TIME FIGURING THIS THING OUT AND NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT IT. ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT. AND OF COURSE SINCE I CAME UP WITH IT, I'M TAKING ALL THE CREDIT. I JUST WANT TO SAY IT'S REALLY EXCITING. TOMORROW, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT'S DISTRICT, CONSTRUCTIVE CONVERSATIONS. STANDING ROOM ONLILY. IT'S A PARTY. THANK YOU, ALL. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT. JUST AGAIN, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT LITTLE ATLAS YOU GAVE US. IT'S REALLY, REALLY COOL. I LOVE THAT YOU SHOWED MY INNER CHOLA. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU. >> CATHLEN FOLLOWED BY JUSTIN. >> HELLO, GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M A RESIDENT IN THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT. AS A MEMBER OF THE TOGETHER WITH BROTHERS AND ABQ TRUE. MY COLLEAGUES ASKED ME TO TELL YOU SOME OF MY STORIES OF WHO I AM AND -- DIRECTLY AFFECTS ME. THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT ME. THIS AFFECTS THOUSANDS OF OUR CITY'S RESIDENTS ALREADY UNDER SERVED AND DISADVANTAGED. OUR VETERANS. OUR GROWING HOMELESS AND LOW-INCOME POPULATIONS. THIS MUST BE ADDRESSED AS A SERIOUS SITUATION THAT IT IS. I'M HERE TO STATE THAT MY COLLEAGUES AND I ARE AGAINST ANY SUPPOSED CUTS TO OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT FUNDING. AS IT DIRECTLY AFFECTS ONE, THE AVAILABILITY AND QUALITY OF OUR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, TWO, THE ABILITY OF THE DEPARTMENT TO MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE OUR BUSES, THREE THE ABILITY OF THE DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE MORE FREQUENT AND MORE THOROUGH SERVICE TO OUR CITY. FOUR, TO PROVIDE IMPROVEMENTS NEEDED AND OUR CITY BUS STOPS. TO APPROVE AND MAINTAIN THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF OUR TRANSIT-DEPENDENT RIDERS AND DRIVERS THEMSELVES. AND LASTLY, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL FOR THE TIME AND FOR ALL THAT YOU ACCOMPLISH HERE FOR OUR GREAT CITY. WE ONLY ASK THAT YOU PLEASE HEAR US AND SERIOUSLY RECONSIDER THE FUNDING FOR THIS, BUT INSTEAD TO VOTE TO INCREASE THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM'S FUNDING NOT DECREASE. THANK YOU SO MUCH AND HAVE A BLESSED DAY. >> JUSTIN FOLLOWED BY ANAMI. JUSTIN FOLLOWED BY ANAMI. >> HELLO. COUNCIL PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I'M RESIDENT OF DISTRICT SEVEN. I'M GOING TO SPEAK ON A FEW THINGS. I'LL TRY TO KEEP EACH ONE SHORT. FIRST, I WAS VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE PRESENTATION ON BUDGETING AT THE LAST MEETING. EXCITED FOR WHAT COUNCILOR ROGERS IS DOING WITH THE GROUP OF REAL GRASSROOTS AND GETTING PEOPLE INVOLVED. AND I HOPE OTHER COUNCILORS WILL FOLLOW THIS LEAD WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THAT PROGRAM AND ASK HER HOW IT AFFECTS THIS GROUP. SECOND, I STAND WITH MANY COMMENTERS FROM LAST MEETING OPPOSING CHANGES TO THE IMMIGRANT-FRIENDLY CITY. I KNOW WE HAVE IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD NOT ONLY THE SOUTHERN BORDER. I BELIEVE ICE FACILITIES AND TREATMENTS HAVE BEEN INHUMANE IN OUR STATE. AND FINALLY, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE NEW PROPOSALS, P-1 THROUGH P-4. I MAY HAVE MIXED UP P-1, OR P-2, I WANT TO SPEAK ON P-2 THROUGH P-4. I DEFER TO REMARKS FROM SENATOR DUHIGG AND HER EDITORIAL. THOSE CHANGES MAY BE UNNECESSARY AND HARMFUL. P-1 IS PRIMARILY -- I CAN SPEAK ON WHEN THAT COMES UP. ESSENTIALLY, I DON'T LIKE THE RUNOFF EITHER. THEY'RE COSTLY AND HAVE MUCH LOWER TURNOUT THAN ELECTION. IT'S GOODED TO THINGS ON ELECTION DAY. A MUCH BETTER PROPOSAL THAN 40% IS INSTANT RUNOFF WITH RANK CHOICE VOTING THAT WE DONE IN YEARS PAST. I'LL RETURN TO TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GET A CHANCE. THANKS. >> ANAMI FOLLOWED BY EMILY. EMILY, FOLLOWED BY META. >> GOOD EVENING, I AM HERE FROM DISTRICT SIX. I'M HAPPY THAT OUR COUNCILOR IS HERE. I'M A RESIDENT OF NOB HILL. I LIVE WITHIN A BLOCK OF SENTERAL AND HAVE FOR 12 YEARS. PRIOR TO THAT I LIVE 30 YEARS ABOUT A MILE AWAY. I OBSERVED WHAT HAPPENED TO CENTRAL. I DON'T NEED TO GO THROUGH THE PAIN OF ART AND COVID. IT'S GOTTEN DIFFICULT. PART OF WHAT WE LOVE FROM OUR CITY IS TO WALK. WHAT WE DO EVERY DAY IS WALK BY CITIZENS WHO ARE IN BAD SHAPE AND NEED A LOT OF HELP. AND ACTUALLY, USUALLY I'M HERE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING OR UPSET, TONIGHT I'M HERE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK TO SUPPORT THE ALBUQUERQUE COMMUNITY SAFETY DEPARTMENT. TOGETHER WITH OUR COUNCILWOMAN WE MET WITH THEM AND TALKED TO THEM ABOUT WORKING ON THE GROUND. I'M A PERSON THAT BELIEVES CITIZEN IS A VERB NOT JUST A NOUN. I'M A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER. I WORK IN LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS. WHAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTS TO DO IS HELP ON THE GROUND WITH WAYS WE CAN. WE MET WITH ACS AND ONE THING THEY ASKED US TO DO WAS CAN TO COME TO YOU AND SHOW OUR SUPPORT FOR THEM. WE SUPPORT THEM AND WE WANT TO HELP. WE'RE GOING TO DO OTHER THINGS. WE'RE GOING TO BUILD HYGIENE KITS TO HAND OUT. AT 6 A.M. IN THE MIDDLE OF A COLD WINTER MORNING THERE WERE KNOCKS AT OUR DOOR AND TWO HOMELESS PEOPLE LOOKING FOR BLANKETS. EVERYTHING IN MY HEART WANTS TO GIVE THEM BLANKETS. I CAN GIVE THEM BLANKETS. BUT I ALSO WANT TO SAY ALIVE. I'VE BEEN INSTRUCTED DON'T ANSWER THE DOOR. I CALLED 242-COPS AND WE GOT HELP. WE HEAR GUNSHOTS, WE HAVE HOMELESS PEOPLE ON OUR BLOCK. WE DEAL WITH THEM ON A DAILY BASIS. I DO CONSIDER THEM CITIZENS WORTHY OF RESPECT AND DIGNITY. I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE ALBUQUERQUE COMMUNITY SAFETY DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. JUST A QUICK QUESTION FOR OUR STAFF. I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT AS WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE BUDGETARY PROCESS, WE ASKED THE DEPARTMENT HEADS, WHAT'S THE STANDARD PROCEDURE FOR DEPARTMENTS WHO ARE ASKING -- I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS CAME FROM ACS IN TERMS OF CUT CAME FROM. I ASKED A COUPLE OF TOUGH QUESTIONS AT ONE OF THE COMMITTEE MEETINGS. THEN WE STARTED RECEIVING ALL THESE CALLS FROM ACS ABOUT KEEPING THE FUNDING AND NOT CUTTING THEM WHEN THAT WAS NEVER PART OF THE DIALOGUE AT ANY POINT. IT WAS NOT TO CUT ACS. THERE WAS JUST QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED ABOUT THEM. WHAT IS IT THAT THE DIRECTORS CAN JUST ADVOCATING? THIS IS -- AND THE MAYOR IS ASKING THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO ADVOCATE TO PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AS IF THEY JUST STATED THAT ACS ASKED HER TO COME OUT HERE AND ASK FOR NO-CUTS? >>COUN. ROGERS: I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. I WAS AT THE COMMITTEE MEETING. I ASKED HOW THEY CAN GET INVOLVED. I TELL ALL COMMUNITY MEMBERS THEY CAN GET INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, COUNCILOR ROGERS. >> THAT PARTICULAR MEETING ACS STAFF WAS PRESENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: POINT OF ORDER. EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE DIRECTED THROUGH THE CHAIR. >>COUN. PEÑA: I WAS ASKING THE STAFF. THIS WAS ONE INSTANCE OF SEVERAL. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE AT ALL THE MEETINGS. STAFF. >> MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, IN THE MONTH'S LONG BUDGET PREPARATION WE JOINED THE ADMINISTRATION AND LISTENED TO ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS PROPOSED THEIR BUDGET AND THEN THE ADMINISTRATION SENDS IT TO COUNCIL. PART OF THE MEETING IS ISSUE PAPERS. I PAUSE TO USE THE WORD WISH LIST. IT IS REQUESTS FOR THE BUDGET SOMETIMES OVER WHAT THEY ARE ALLOCATED. ACS DOES HAVE SEVERAL ISSUE PAPERS OR SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL, ET CETERA, AS WE KNOW, THERE WAS AN ISSUE PAPER FOR $200,000 FOR BIO PARK FOOD AND MEDICINE. THESE ISSUE PAPERS ARE DISCUSSED BY THE ADMINISTRATION WITH THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND BUDGET AND THEY SEND THE BUDGET TO COUNCIL. SOMETIMES THEY'RE FULFILLED, SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT. JUST FOR A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, ACS WAS NOT AT ALL. WE KEPT -- THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE CHAIRPERSON PENA KEPT AFR, APD AND ACS WHOLE. WE DID NOT MAKE ANY CUTS TO THOSE DEPARTMENTS. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. AND THE SECOND PART TO MY QUESTION IS, IS THE ADMINISTRATION ASKING THE DEPARTMENT HEADS -- WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR THAT? FOR DIRECTORS TO COME OUT AND ASK PEOPLE TO COME TO COUNCIL MEETINGS TO ADVOCATE ON BEHALF OF THE DEPARTMENT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, I THINK IT'S VERY COMMON FOR US TO HAVE ONGOING AND VERY ACTIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FOLKS THAT WE WORK WITH IN THE COMMUNITY. AS WE ALL KNOW RELATED TO THE BIO PARK REQUESTS AND WITH RECURRING AND NON-RECURRING FUNDING CHANGES AS WELL AS THE LIBRARIES AND THE RELATED TO ITEMS THAT MAY BE RELATED TO ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT WHETHER THAT'S ACROSS THE BUDGET -- ANY DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE MANY TEAM WORKING WITH US ALL THE TIME THAT ARE ASKING US QUESTIONS. AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY VERY TUNED INTO THIS BUDGET PROCESS. THEY KNOW YOU HAVE THE FINAL AUTHORITY FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE BUDGET AND THAT WE CAN ONLY SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND THEY ARE CONTRACTORS ARE OR MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY HAVE IMPORTANT VOICES IN THAT. WHEN WE HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS, WHEN WE SPEAK WITH ANYONE THAT MIGHT BE IMPACTED BY THE BUDGET AND THEY ASK US WHAT CAN THEY DO OR HOW CAN THEY ADVOCATE WE REMIND THEM THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT AND THROUGH WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS TO COMMUNICATE WITH COUNCIL. AND WE DO ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO SO. BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE THE FINAL DECISION-MAKERS AND IT'S IMPORTANT WE'RE NOT RELAYING ALL OF THE INFORMATION ON SOMEONE ELSE'S BEHALF AND WE'RE NOT INTERFERING IN TERMS OF TRYING TO CONVINCE OR CHANGE THE BUDGET WHEN ITS UNDER YOUR AUTHORITY. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, IN THAT SITUATION, OBVIOUSLY WAS THERE ANY INDICATION FROM US THAT WE WERE CUTTING ACS? BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS THAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND THAT WOULD MEAN THAT EVERY DEPARTMENT WOULD ACTUALLY GO AND ADVOCATE FOR THEM NOT TO CUT. WE WOULD HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE. BUT THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT TRIGGERED THEM TO GO AND ASK ADVOCATES TO COME SPEAK TO US. DID WE GIVE ANY INDICATION FROM OUR SIDE THAT WE WERE CUTTING ACS? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, WE DID NOT HAVE ANY INDICATION THAT COUNCIL WAS PLANNING TO CUT AVS. I BELIEVE FOLKS WERE REACTING TO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED, HARDER QUESTIONS, NOT THAT YOU INTENDED BY ANY MEANS FOR THERE TO BE BUDGET CUTS. FROM WHAT I ASCERTAINED, FOLKS GET WORRIED THAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE NEWER OR EMERGING THAT WE MIGHT BE -- IN A YEAR WHERE WE HAVE SUCH A CHALLENGING BUDGET TIME THAT THEY MIGHT BE AT RISK. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE WAS ANY INDICATION THAT WE BELIEVED THAT YOU ALL WERE GOING TO CUT ACS. I THINK WE'RE JUST -- FOLKS WERE JUST CONCERNED ABOUT ENSURING THE VALUE AND IMPORTANCE IN THE SMALL AMOUNT INCREASE WOULD BE VALUED AND APPRECIATED BY COUNCIL. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >> UP NEXT IS PATRICIA FOLLOWED BY BIREN. -- BYRON. >> I'M A 91-YEAR-OLD RESIDENT OF ALBUQUERQUE THAT RIDES THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR ACS. I'M DELIGHTED TO HEAR ALL THE COMMENT ABOUT HOW THEY'RE NOT BEING CUT. BECAUSE I DEPEND ON THEM AND THEIR SERVICES TO MAKE ME FEEL COMFORTABLE AND ENJOY RIDING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. AND WHEN I HEARD THEY MADE 70,000 CALLS IN THE LAST TWO ASK A HALF YEARS I WAS EVEN MORE PROUD OF THEM AND OF YOU FOR FUNDING THEM AND FOR THE STATE OF ALBUQUERQUE FOR BEING A LEADER OF TRYING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE PROBLEM OF HOMELESSNESS. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A WONDERFUL THING TO DO. I AM VERY THANKFUL FOR THAT. IF IT WERE UP TO ME I WOULD NOT CUT ACS, I WOULD DOUBLE THEIR RAISES AND GIVE THEM PENSION PLANS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> BYRON FOLLOWED BY ALISA. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESIDENT, VICE-PRESIDENT GROUT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I'M NOT HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR WHAT THEY WERE SPEAKING ON EARLIER. I DO A LOT OF WORK WITH ACS DURING THE COURSE OF THE DAY. I'M A CONTRACTOR. SOME OF THE THINGS WE DID AND COUNCILOR ROGERS CAN AGREE TO THAT, ATTEST TO IT, I THINK ACTUALLY PROBABLY COULD USE MORE MONEY. THAT'S JUST ME SAYING. WE'RE WORKING ON A LOT OF PROGRAMS IN THE CITY. NOT JUST PROGRAMS THAT WORK FOR JUST HELPING THE HOMELESS. A LOT OF THE PROGRAMS ARE HELPING AHEAD OF TIME SO THAT YOU CAN CURB THAT BEFORE THE PEOPLE GO HOMELESS. ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID AND COUNCILOR ROGERS WAS THERE, WE STARTED A RADIO STATION FOR HIGHLAND HIGH SCHOOL. OVER 2,000 DOWNLOADS OF THE APP AND MORE THAN 60 KIDS EVERY DAY THAT WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN THESE PROGRAMS. IT'S ALSO BILINGUAL. HAVING A PROGRAM LIKE THAT THEY IS WORKING FOR THE COMMUNITY, THE STATION ALSO GIVES INFORMATION FOR A LOT OFLIES FAMILIES AND PEOPLE THAT ARE SCARED TO COME OUT. IT GIVES THEM THAT HOPE. AND WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY POLICING COUNCIL WHEN THEY SAY CRIME IS DOWN AND I SEE MORE COPS ON THE STREET. ACS HAS TAKEN MORE THAN 70,000 CALLS BUT THEY TAKE CALLS NOT JUST FROM APD BUT THEY TAKE THEM FROM AFR SO AFR CAN SAVE LIVES INSTEAD OF MAKING DELIVER RES -- DELIVERIES TO THE HOSPITAL. THE UNM POLICE SAID IT'S A GOD-SEND TO HAVE ACS IN THE AREA. AGAIN, I'M NOT HERE TO SAY THAT -- WE ALREADY KNOW THAT'S A PROGRAM THAT WOULD BE FOOLISH TO CUT. I THINK IT'S A PROGRAM THAT NEEDS A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY. I THINK LOOKING AT EVERYTHING THEY DO, BRINGING BACK DANCE, DANCE, DANCE IT'S A TEEN THING. SOME OF YOU WEPT -- WENT TO THAT. ANYWAY, THANK YOU. >> LISA FOLLOWED BY MASON. >> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY, CITY COUNCIL, AND COUNCIL PRESIDENT. I'M A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER WITH NEW MEXICO STRONGER TOGETHER COALITION. AND ALBUQUERQUE BLACK LIVES MATTER. I'M HERE TODAY TO THANK APD. IT'S A MIRACLE. APD DID SOMETHING RIGHT. AND I REALLY WANTED TO GET ON THE RECORD TO TALK ABOUT IT. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY. THERE WAS A PROTEST MAY 2nd, 2024. THE POLICE FORCE WENT OUT AND THEY OSCILLATE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND MOST DEADLIEST POLICE FORCE IN THE UNITED STATES. IN A STATE THAT HAS 2 MILLION PEOPLE THAT IS VERY SIGNIFICANT. JUST IN COMPARISON LA COUNTY HAS 10 MILLION PEOPLE. THE WHOLE STATE HAS 2 MILLION. THE LITTLE CITY THAT WE ARE, FOR OUR CITY TO BE FIRST AND SECOND BACK AND FORTH FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS OF THE DEADLIEST POLICE FORCE, I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND SOMEONE THAT LOOKS LIKE ME THAT HAS BEEN SHOT AND HAD A CONCUSHION AND BROKEN RIBS, IT'S ALL BEEN FROM POLICE IN PROTESTS IN SPACES WHERE THEY TOLD US TO GO. WITH THAT, I COME TO YOU THANKING APD FOR HELPING US. GOOD JOB, APD, FOR COORDINATING WITH KIRTLAND AIR FORCE BASE DURING THAT PROTEST THAT HAPPENED OUT THERE. WHAT I'M HERE FOR THAT I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT IS I WAS LISTENING TO THE CITY COUNCIL COMMENTS WEDNESDAY, MAY 6th. I GOT THE DISTINCT IMPRESSION THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS PREFER THAT CITIZENS HAD BEEN BEAT OR HAD BEEN TAZED OR INJURED OR HAD BEEN ARRESTED. THIS IS A CLEAR PROTEST AT AN INTERSECTION RATHER THAN ALLOW PEOPLE TO PROTEST. WHY WERE ALBUQUERQUE CITY COUNCILLORS ASKING WHY APD DIDN'T GET MORE AGGRESSIVE WITH THE LAWBREAKERS. I'M INTERESTED IN CIVIL RIGHTS LAWS WE HAVE. WHAT ABOUT THOSE LAWS? I WOULD LIKE SOMEHOW FOR APD TO GIVE A DIFFERENT MESSAGE THAT YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO GET US BEAT PUT IT'S OKAY FOR US TO PROTEST AND TALK TO YOU ALL. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, JUST TO COMMENT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME PACK UP. I HOPE JENNIFER HAS BEEN IN TOUCH WITH YOU. THANK YOU. >> MASON FOLLOWED BY LIZ. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, I'M THE POLICY DIRECTOR FOR COMMON CAUSE NEW MEXICO. AS A POLICY DIRECTOR FOR THE NATIONAL DEMOCRACY ORGANIZATION I WAS ALARMED TO SEE PROPOSITION ONE THAT WILL FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE OUR ELECTIONS IN ALBUQUERQUE IS BEING PROPOSED AT THE CITY COUNCIL BUT AS A CITIZEN OF ALBUQUERQUE I WAS EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED. I KNOW OUR CITY COUNCIL HANDLES A NUMBER OF EXTREMELY IMPORTANT ISSUES FOR OUR CITY AS WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT. I BELIEVE THIS CHANGE IN PROPOSITION ONE IS NOT ONE OF THEM. AND IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE QUITE HARMFUL TO PEOPLE IN ALBUQUERQUE AND VOTERS THEMSELVES. MAJORITY RULE IS A FOUNDATIONAL PRINCIPLE OF OUR DEMOCRACY. OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DECADES WE'VE TAKEN MULTIPLE STEPS IN ORDER TO GET TO THAT 50% THRESHOLD REQUIRED TO BE ELECTED TO YOUR POSITION TO THE POSITION OF MAYOR, THE HIGHEST POSITION IN ALBUQUERQUE. LOWERING THAT THRESHOLD TO 40% IS A STEP IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION. FOR A CITY AS LARGE AS ALBUQUERQUE, CONTESTED ELECTIONS LIKE THOSE AT CITY COUNCIL CAN BE DECIDED BY ONLY A FEW HUNDRED OR THOUSAND VOTES AT THAT 40% THRESHOLD. THIS IS NOT REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY. WHAT I FIND MORE ELARMING IS THIS IS BEING PROPOSED DURING AN ELECTION YEAR WHERE A LOT OF MISINFORMATION ABOUT THE VALIDITY AND CERTIFICATION OF OUR ELECTION IS ALREADY CIRCULATING. THAT IN ITSELF IS ENOUGH REASON TO POSTPONE THIS PROPOSAL. IF THE GOAL OF PROPOSITION ONE IS TO AVOID THE EXPENSIVE BILL TO TAXPAYERS FOR A LOW TURNOUT, THEN THE BEST SOLUTION IS AN INSTANT RUNOFF OR A RANK CHOICE VOTING SYSTEM LIKE WE SEE IN SANTA FE AND LAS CRUCES. IN THAT MODEL VOTERS STILL ELEBLTH -- ELECT ON A MAJORITY OF VOTES AND THEY DO NOT HAVE TO RETURN TO THE POLLS FOR A SECOND TIME. THANK YOU. >> LIZ FOLLOWED BY LAN. >> HELLO, I'M LIZ. THANK YOU TO WHOEVER PRONOUNCED MY NAME CORRECTLY. YOU'RE ONE OF THE FEW. I'M ANGRY AND I'M SCARED. I'M A MEMBER OF MR. BACA'S SECTION OF THE CITY. MY NEIGHBOR DAVID WAS A KIND, GENTLE SOUL. HE LOVED HIS LITTLE DOG. HE HELPED CARRY MY GROCERIES OCCASIONALLY. I WALKED BY HIS APARTMENT EVERY SINGLE DAY. ON FRIDAY MAY 19, 2023 HE WAS SHOT TO DEATH BY APD OFFICERS. BECAUSE THEY DID NOT KNOW HOW TO APPROPRIATELY HANDLE DAVID'S MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS. IN A PRESS CONFERENCE SOMETIME AFTER DAVID'S DEATH APD COMMANDER HEARTSOCK SAID OFFICERS WERE ON SEEN FOR AT LEAST HALF AN HOUR TALKING TO FAMILY MEMBERS, TALKING TO FRIENDS, YOU CAN SEE THEY HAD A REAL SOFT TOUCH. HEARTSOCK ALSO SAID OFFICERS HAD CALLED FOR A MOBILE CRISIS UNIT TO HELP, NONE WERE AVAILABLE TO RESPOND. HALF AN HOUR, SOFT APPROACH, I DISAGREE. THEY TRIED TO TASE HIM TWICE AND SHOT HIM TO DEATH. I WAS THERE AND I HEARD YELLING AND I HEARD THE SHOTS. WHY WAS THE MOBILE CRISIS TEAM NOT AVAILABLE? THE 2014 BALLOT INITIATIVE TO IMPOSE A GROSS RECEIPTS TAX OR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH TAX WAS IMPLEMENTED IN JULY 2015. OUR GROSS SEATS TAXES ARE HUGE. WHY WAS THERE NOT A MOBILE CRISIS TEAM AVAILABLE IN 2023 EIGHT YEARS AFTER -- EIGHT YEARS AFTER THE TAX WAS IMPOSED. THERE WASN'T FUNDING. BUT AFTER HAVING LISTENED TO TONIGHT'S CONVERSATIONS, WHERE YOUR $16 MILLION YOUTH -- WASN'T PAID FOR. I HAVE NO DOUBT IT'S BECAUSE OF THE -- I'M SORRY I'M CRYING. HE SHOULDN'T HAVE DIED. >> LAN FOLLOWED BY SAD. -- TAD. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, POLICY DIRECTOR FOR THE CENTER OF CIVIC POLICY. WE CONVENED A CIVIC ENGAGEMENT TABLE WITH OVER 40 EXTINGUISHED ON CIVIC ENGAGEMENT. WE LED IN THE LEGISLATURE IN PASSING THE NEW MEXICO VOTING RIGHTS. DEMOCRACY REFORM THAT LEADS IN THE NATION TO GIVE EVERYONE THAT HAS THE RIGHT THE VOTE THE ABILITY TO VOTE. WE STAND IN OPPOSITION IT THE BALLOT PROPOSAL THAT HAS BEEN FAST TRACKED DURING THE BUDGET SEASON. I HAVE QUESTIONS AND CONCERN FOR THE PROPOSAL BUT BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN FAST TRACKED THE COMMUNITY HAS NOT HAD ENOUGH TIME TO UNDERSTAND THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS. FOR EXAMPLE, PROPOSAL FOUR LEAVES ME WONDERING HOW THREE PEOPLE THAT CANNOT REFLECT THE COMMUNITY CAN INTERPRET OUR CHARTER AND MAKE THOSE CHANGE AND IMPLEMENT WITHOUT THE VOTERS APPROVAL. SEEKING TO OVERTURN THE 2013 WILL OF THE VOTERS IS NOT DEMOCRACY. I WANT TO THANK THE COUNCILORS ROGERS AND COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN FOR INTRODUCING RANK CHOICE VOTING AND I HOPE THE COUNCIL SLOWS THIS PROCESS TO ALLOW COMMUNITY INPUT AND ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT AS A FORMER CITY COUNCILLOR, I UNDERSTAND THE TENSIONS BETWEEN OUR EXECUTIVE AND LEGISLATIVE BRANCH. THEY ARE NATURAL. AND PART OF OUR NATURE OF OUR REPUBLIC. HOWEVER SOLUTION OF THE MAJORITY IS NOT THE SOLUTION. >> TAD FOLLOWED BY BARUCH. >> OKAY. EXCUSE ME. MY CLOCK HAS BEEN RUNNING. THANK YOU. I'M PROBABLY THE LATEST LEGAL IMMIGRANT FROM POLAND TO BE NATURALIZED. HERE IS PUBLICATION FROM NEW MEXICO CENTER OF LAW AND POVERTY. ON THE TOP, NEW MEXICO IMMIGRANT LAW CENTER -- NOW, LAST WEEK THEY HAVE -- I WAS CONTACTED BY CITY OFFICE ON THE FOURTH FLOOR. EVERY TIME I VISIT THERE, THIS LOCATION, THREE TIMES I'VE PIN TOLD THAT'S ONLY FOR MEXICANS. THAT'S RIGHT. I WENT OVER THERE IN PERSON, AND THAT WAS LAST WEDNESDAY, SHE SAID YES, I AM MEXICAN. AND YOU LIVE -- -- NEW MEXICO, UNITED STATES, AMERICA. WHAT THEY HAVE RIGHT HERE. ALL KINDS OF RACES, AND ALSO DISCRIMINATION. I TALK TO EVERY DEPARTMENT, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL. I WANT APPOINTMENT WITH EVERY DEPARTMENT. AND WITH ATTORNEY. BECAUSE I WILL FILE WITH THE STATE ABOUT IT FIRST. AND WITH ATTORNEYS. DISCRIMINATION IN THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO. >> BARUCH FOLLOWED BY SUE. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, VICE-PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I'M PART OF TOGETHER FOR BROTHERS AND A MEMBER OF THE ALBUQUERQUE TRANSIT RIDER UNION. AND I ALSO GREW UP IN THE INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT AND THANKS TO THE HARD WORK OF MY MOM AND SUPPORT OF MY COMMUNITY AND ALSO NEW MEXICO'S IMGRPT-FRIENDLY POLICY I'M NOW ALSO PROUD RESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I ALSO OWE A LOT OF WHAT I AM AND WITH WHERE I AM TODAY TO SYSTEMS LIKE OUR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE. GROWING UP WITH WITH A SINGLE MOM I RELIED ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION LIKE ALBUQUERQUE RIDE TO ACCESS SCHOOL RECREATION AND FIND AND KEEP JOBS. NOT WITHOUT ITS CHALLENGES. TODAY, I BELIEVE THAT PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION IS A VITAL AND CRUCIAL PART OF OUR CITY. AND IMPROVES CAN AND SHOULD BE MADE. TODAY ON BEHALF OF MYSELF AND COMMUNITIES MOST IMPACTED BY PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, I ASK THAT WE NOT DECREASE OUR TRANSIT BUDGET BUT INSTEAD INCREASE OUR TRANSIT BUDGET FOR BETTER, CLEANER, SAFER MORE ROBUST EFFICIENT BUST SYSTEM. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS TIME TO ASK INCRES BUDGET FOR ACS IN THE FUTURE AS I SEE THEM AS A -- THIS DEPARTMENT AS A SOLUTION IN MY COMMUNITY. LASTLY, ALSO OF COURSE OPPOSE ANY CHANGES TO OUR IMMIGRANT-FRIENDLY CITY POLICY. THANK YOU. >> SUE FOLLOWED BY NADINE. FOLLOWED BY RAUL. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. I'M HERE AGAIN, IF FEELS LIKE THIS MONTH IS REALLY BUSY. I'M AWAY FROM MY TWIN 14-MONTH-OLDS BECAUSE WE'RE REALLY WORRIED ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE IN THE CITY COUNCIL BETWEEN SOME OF YOU ADVOCATING FOR SOME OF OUR OWN RESIDENTS TO NOT HAVE THE FREEDOM TO EXERCISE THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS FOR PEACEFUL PROTESTING, TO HAVING SOME OF YOU TRYING TO AMEND THE IMMIGRANT FRIENDLY ORD INDEPENDENCE. AND SOME OF YOU CHANGING THE WILL OF THE VOTERS. IN THE WAY DEMOCRACY WORKS IT'S CREATING A NARRATIVE THAT SOMETHING IS REALLY WRONG HAPPENING IN THE CITY COUNCIL AND LOCAL DPUCHALITY. AND MANY PEOPLE ARE PAYING ATTENTION. WE'RE MORE -- WE'RE MORE PEOPLE THAT -- I'M HEARING SO MANY NEW VOICES TODAY FROM TWO WEEKS AGO. ALL OF US ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT'S HAPPENING. I'M HERE TO REALLY ASK YOU ALL TO DO THE RIGHT THING. TO DO THE THINGS THIS COMMUNITY NEEDS. INSTEAD OF SPENDING TIME AND ENERGY TO UNDOING THE THINGS THAT MANY HAVE FOUGHT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A CITY THAT WORKS FOR ALL OF US -- THIS IS REALLY CONCERNING AROUND DEMOCRACY, AND OBSTRUCTING US FROM OUR RIGHT AND STOPPING PROTECTIONS FROM PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS NOT REALLY HAVE A TRUE PUNISHMENT SYSTEM IN THE CITY. I'M GOING TO KEEP COMING BACK WITH MY BABIES, WITHOUT MY BABIES, WITH MY FAMILY MEMBERS AND NEIGHBORS TO MAKE SURE WE STAND WITH YOU ALL AND THE RIGHT THINGS AND THAT WE REMIND YOU YOUR JOB IS TO KEEP US ALL SAFE. NOT SOME OF US. AND YOUR JOB IS TO KEEP US SAFE FOR THE RIGHT REASONS NOT AS POLITICAL TOKENS OR PAWNS IN THE PLAY HERE. THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> RAUL FOLLOWED BY TOM. >> HI, I'M WORKING WITH TOGETHER FOR BROTHERS. I COME FORTH TO YOU TO ADDRESS THE CUT IN THE BUDGET FOR PUBLIC TRANSIT. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A BETTER IDEA TO DO THE OPPOSITE. JUST BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE MANY PEOPLE IN ALBUQUERQUE THAT RELY ON TRANSIT. ESPECIALLY DUE TO THEIR NOT SO IDEAL FINANCIAL SITUATION. EVEN THOUGH THEY GRIND IT OUT EVERY DAY. JUST TO MAKE A LIVING. YEAH. I WAS JUST THINKING THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER TO LIKE HELP THEM OUT AND MAYBE MAKE IT EASIER AND INCREASE THE BUDGET SO THAT WE GIVE THEM LIKE MORE IDEAL SITUATION OF LIVING AND LET THEM BE MORE COMFORTABLE. THANK YOU. >> TOM -- >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT TRANSIT AND HAVE THERE BEEN ANY CUTS IN THE BUDGET? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT BUDGET SENDS THEIR BUDGET DOWN IN THE PROPOSAL. AND THEY HAVE SOMETHING CALLED A CAO SUMMARY. IT SHOWS LAST YEAR'S APPROVED BUDGET, IT SHOWS ALL OF THE TECHNICAL ADJUSTMENTS, THE INS AND OUTS OF THE DEPARTMENTS. AND IT SHOWS THE FINAL BUDGET NUMBER. NOW, GRANTED THIS IS MY FIRST YEAR AS OPERATING BUDGET. THE FY24 BUDGET FOR TRANSIT IN THEIR ENTERPRISE FUND 661, FY24 APPROVED WAS $58 MILLION. IN THE -- PLUS $7.2 MILLION. AND THE FY25 PROPOSED BUDGET IS $65.4 MILLION. AN INCREASE OF $7.2 MILLION. OF COURSE I WOULD DEFER TO THE ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE IT IS MY FIRST TIME. AS I'M READING THIS, THEY HAVE A 12% INCREASE OF $7 MILLION TO THEIR APPROVED 24 BUDGET. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. I THINK THE ADMINISTRATION -- MR. PRESIDENT, I APOLOGIZE. ADMINISTRATION CAN VERIFY THAT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. WE DO NOT -- DID NOT PROPOSE AND YOU DID NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES AT THIS POINT TO CUT TRANSIT IN ANY WAY. >>COUN. LEWIS: BEFORE YOU GO, WELCOME. THERE IS -- THIS IS OFTENTIMES THIS HAPPENS A LOT. JUST MISINFORMATION. ABOUT OUR BUDGET AND OTHER BILLS AT THE TIME. THIS IS A TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. I CERTAINLY WANT YOU TO SAY WHATEVER IS ON YOUR MIND. BUT I ALSO WANT TO TAKE TIME FROM TIME TO TIME TO LET OUR STAFF CLARIFY, ESPECIALLY SOME OF THE MISINFORMATION. I KNOW IT'S MENTIONED SEVERAL TIME ABOUT THE BUDGET PROPOSITIONS THAT ARE FASTTRACKED AND NON-DEMOCRATIC. THAT'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THOSE BILLS, THOSE BALLOT OPPOSITIONS ARE NOT ONLY NOT FAST-TRACKED BUT THEY GO THROUGH A MUCH MORE EXTENSIVE PROCESS THAN ALMOST ANY OTHER BILL WOULD GO THROUGH. SPECIFICALLY PUBLIC HEARINGS. ONE OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS IS TONIGHT. THEY WERE INTRODUCED A FEW WEEKS AGO. THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PUBLIC TO REVIEW AND SPEAK EVEN A FEW WEEKS AGO. TONIGHT DURING PUBLIC, COMMENT AND ALSO ON THE BILL. NEXT COUNCIL MEETING AS WELL. AND THEY'RE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH AN EXTENSIVE PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE THEY'RE BROUGHT TO A FINAL VOTE. THEY'RE JUST NOT FASTTRACKED. IT'S ACTUALLY THE OPPOSITE OF THAT AND ULTIMATELY IT WILL GO TO A DECISION OF THE VOTERS. THEY'RE DEMOCRATIC. OTHER STATES LIKE NEW MEXICO DOES NOT HAVE A THRESHOLD OF 50%. NOT ONLY NOT 40%, IT DOESN'T HAVE A THRESHOLD. THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DOES NOT HAVE A THRESHOLD OF A PERCENTAGE OF REQUIRED VOTERS. MANY, MANY MUNICIPALITIES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY DON'T EITHER. I WOULDN'T CALL THAT UNDEMOCRATIC. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IN THE LAST DECADE OR A LITTLE OVER A DECADE WE'VE HAD A CERTAIN FORM OF HOW WE DO RUNOFF ELECTIONS. LOOK AT THAT AND SAY MAYBE IT'S TIME TO LOOK AT PUTTING THAT BEFORE THE VOTERS AGAIN AND DECIDING ON WHETHER THEY, AFTER DOING THAT FOR 12 YEARS, WHETHER THEY WANT TO DO ELECTIONS IN THIS WAY OR NOT. GIVING OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO WEIGH IN ON THAT. JUST CLARIFICATION. I THINK CERTAINLY A LOT OF THINGS ON THE BUDGET AND OTHERWISE FROM TIME TO TIME WE NEED TO CLARIFY THOSE THINGS. LET'S CONTINUE ON. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT AND MAKING YOUR WAY DOWN HERE. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. UP NEXT IS TOM FOLLOWED BY ANDREA. >> COUNCILOR LEWIS, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, COUNCILORS, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TONIGHT. I REPRESENT GLOBAL PACIFIC CAPITAL. IN SUPPORT OF C-PACE LEGISLATION. WHICH ALLOWS FOR PRIVATE CAPITAL TO BE USED TO BUILD COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE, ESPECIALLY MULTIFAMILY UNITS. PACE CAPITAL IS OFTENTIMES THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SOME OF THE PROJECTS BEING DONE. BECAUSE IT IS QUICKLY BECOMING THE GO-TO CAPITAL THAT IS LESS EXPENSIVE AND MORE FLEXIBLE THAN CURRENT BANK DEBT. WE EAGERLY AWAIT THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE OPTING IN, HOPEFULLY, JUNE 3rd WHEN THIS COMES UP. BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BRINGING $20 MILLION THROUGH YOUR CONSULTANTS TO A CURRENT UNDER CONSTRUCTION LARGE MULTIFAMILY PROJECT IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE IN DISTRICT FIVE. AS SOON AS THE OPT-IN IS FINISHED, WE'RE READY TO GO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. >> ANDREA FOLLOWED BY MATTHEW. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. I'M EXCITED TO HEAR ABOUT A COMMENT ABOUT HOUSING PROJECTS. I THINK THE SOLUTION TO HOMELESSNESS IS HOUSING. UPSTREAM INTERVENTIONS PROVIDE FUNDING WHICH I DO NOT SEE REFLECTED IN THE BUDGET. EXCEPT THEY NEED TO FULFILL THE CRISIS. ADDITIONALLY, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE SKEWING OF THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS OUTLINED IN THE BALLOT PROPOSALS. YOU'RE ESTABLISHING A SHIFT THAT WILL DETERRIER THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS AND RISK THE COUNCIL -- THE COUNCIL IN RECENT HISTORY HAS BEEN INTERESTED IN SWITCHING A GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE THAT PLACES THE ONUS OF POWER IN THE HANDS OF THE COUNCIL IN THE COUNCIL MANAGER SYSTEM. THAT DID NOT FLY WITH THE PUBLIC. THE COUNCIL HAS ALSO ATTEMPTED TO ELIMINATE THE AIR QUALITY CONTROL BOARD. THAT MOVE ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL WAS MADE IN ORDER TO BLOCK AN AGREED UPON GOVERNING BODY FROM HEARING A DECISION THAT INTERFERE WITH THE SPECIAL INTEREST OF COUNCIL. THERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF AN ATTEMPT TO OBTAIN AND HOLD ON MORE POWER. THIS IS NOT DEMOCRACY. IT'S NOT INDICATIVE OF A BALANCED APPROACH TO DECISION MAKING NOR DOES IT ALLOW FOR FURTHER ENGAGEMENT OF THE PUBLIC. AS WE'VE ALL SEEN THE PUBLIC COMMENTS WE MAKE ONLY GO SO FAR. DECISIONS AND VOTING IS PRIMARILY MADE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. I WANT TO SHARE SOMETHING THAT I LEARNED IN MY JOURNEY DOING DEI WORK. THERE WILL ALWAYS ME A BACKLASH. I'M FROM LATIN AMERICA AND WE'VE SEEN AT WHAT HAPPENS AT THE ATTEMPT OF CONCENTRATION OF POWER. NO MATTER THE POPULAR SUPPORT FOR THE ELECTED, AS SOON AS DEMOCRACIES IS THREATENED THE ELECTED WILL BE REMOVED. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. >> MATTHEW FOLLOWED BY SARAH ON ZOOM. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, VICE-PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I'M REPRESENTING THE CARPENTERS UNION IN ALBUQUERQUE. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT P1, 2, AND 3. THIS DECISION WAS MADE TEN YEARS AGO BY THE WILL OF THE VOTERS. THE WILL OF THE VOTERS SHOULD BE UPHELD. WITH REGARD TO P2 AND 3. AT-WILL POSITIONS REALLY PUTS INHERENT RISK TO THE PEOPLE DOING THOSE POSITIONS AND THE FOUR POSITIONS BEING PROPOSED TODAY WITHIN THEIR CURRENT SCHEMES AND PROTECTIONS TO STAY IN PLACE AND THIS BEING ENTRUSTED AND GIVEN THE POWER TO DO THEIR JOB VERY WELL. AND IF THAT SHOULD NOT BE DONE THE POWERS TO REMOVE THEM SHOULD STAY IN PLACE. THANK YOU. >> SARAH FOLLOWED BY CHRISTOPHER. >> GOOD EVENING, I'M WITH -- CENTRAL NEW MEXICO'S LEADING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SERVICE PROVIDERS. I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE CONTRACT REDUCTION R-24-36. WE PROVIDE DIRECT INTERVENTION AND PREVENTION FOCUSED AND OUTREACH AND EDUCATION AND WE GIVE SERVICES TO ENSURE WE MEET THE MOST IN NEED COMMUNITY MEMBERS. THE COUNCIL PROPOSED BUDGET CUTS WILL BE CUT BY NEARLY 50% WHICH PREVENTS US FROM PROVIDING THERAPEUTIC AND EDUCATION-FOCUSED SERVICES TO TEENS AND ADULT SURVIVORS OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. MANY OF WHOM FACE MULTIPLE BARRIERS TO ACCESSING TRAUMA-INFORMED SPECIFIC SERVICES LIKE THOSE THAT WE PROVIDE. A SIGNIFICANT COMPONENT OF THIS CONTRACT FOCUSES ON YOUTH LEADERS PROGRAM WHICH HELPS EMPOWER AND DEVELOP OUR NEXT GENERATION OF COMMUNITY ANTI- VIOLENCE ADVOCATES. YOUTH LEADERS PROVIDE FORMER CHILD WITNESSES OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TO TRAIN AND TO BECOME PEER EDUCATORS. PROVIDING IN-SCHOOL AND COMMUNITY PLACING EDUCATION PROGRAMS TO PROMOTE HEALTHY RELATIONSHIPS AMONG TEENS AND REDUCE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. THIS TYPE OF PREVENTION EDUCATION IS VITAL ESPECIALLY TODAY AND SCHOOL-BASED VIOLENCE CONTINUES TO RISE AND NEW MEXICO'S SNEPTS INCIDENTS OF VIOLENCE INCREASE. OUR YOUTH SHOULD NOT PAY THE PRICE OF BUDGETARY SHORTFALL. WE URGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO KEEP THIS CONTRACT WHOLE AND ALSO THE CONTRACTS OF OUR COMMUNITIES WHOLE. COMMUNITY PARTNERS WHOLE. AND SOURCE ALTERNATIVE FUNDING REMEDIES TO BRIDGE ANY FORECASTED GAPS. AFFECTED BY THESE CUTS -- OUR AWARD WAS 218 AND IT WOULD BE REDUCED $111,000. WE URGE YOU TO KEEP THIS CONTRACT WHOLE. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT. WERE THERE ANY DIRECT CUTS TO EN LACE? >> COUNCILOR LEWIS, COUNCILOR PEÑA, I DON'T WANT TO SAY ACCURATE OR INACCURATE. THE INFORMATION WE RECEIVED FROM THE MAYOR'S PROPOSED BUDGET HAD 11 LINE ITEMS THAT WERE TBD CONTRACTS WITH SOCIAL SERVICE PROVIDERS THAT WERE NOT IDENTIFIED. AS IN, ENLACE, CUIDADO, AND SERENITY MESA, FOR EXAMPLE, ARE GOING TO COME UP TONIGHT. WE DID NOT HAVE ANY INDICATION THAT THESE CONTRACTS WERE OUT FOR RFP OR THAT THESE GROUPS WERE GOING TO BE NOTIFIED THEY WERE GOING TO BE AWARDED WITH CONTRACTS. THEREFORE, TONIGHT, IN R-36, WE HAVE AN AMENDMENT THAT MAKES THESE CONTRACTS WHOLE. ON JULY 1st THESE ORGANIZATIONS WILL HAVE FULL FUNDING FOR THE YEAR. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, SO THE LINE THAT WE TOOK FROM, IT WAS TO BE DETERMINED AND THERE WAS NO MEMO OR ANYTHING WITHIN THAT LINE THAT SAID THESE WERE ALREADY CONTRACTS THAT HAD BEEN OUT TO RFP, CORRECT? >> MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, I'M GOING TO GUESS WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS ALSO AT R-36, BUT JUST FOR THE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, THERE WERE 11 ITEMS AND PROBABLY SEVERAL DOZEN CONTRACT SERVICES FOR HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS. THESE 11 ITEMS WERE FUNDED FROM GENERAL FUND. THEY TOTALLED ABOUT $4.4 MILLION. AS A WAY TO FUND OTHER SOCIAL SERVICES IN THE COMMUNITY, WE TOOK ABOUT 43% OF THE $4.4 MILLION ENSURING THAT ALL OF THE CONTRACTS WOULD BE FUNDED AT SOME POINT KNOWING THAT WE WOULD HAVE A MID-YEAR CLEAN UP AT THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR. IF THE ADMINISTRATION HAS SUCCESSFULLY AWARDED AND EXECUTED THE CONTRACT WITH ANY OF THE SOCIAL SERVICE PROVIDERS, WE CAN THEN FUND THEM FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR. THAT WAS THE IDEA. OVER THE WEEKEND, WE WERE NOTIFIED WE HAVE THREE ENLACE, CUIDANDO, AND SERENITY MESA, THREE GROUPS THAT ARE GOING TO BE AWARDED TO BE FULLY FUNDED JULY 1st. THEREFORE WORKING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION WE IDENTIFY AN AMENDMENT FOR THE COUNCIL'S ADMINISTRATION TO FUND THESE THREE FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR. TOTALLING $455,000. THEREFORE, LEAVING ABOUT $4 MILLION OF CONTRACTS TO BE DETERMINED. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. ADMINISTRATION, YOU CAN CONFIRM OR NOT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, THAT IS AN ACCURATE DEPICTION OF THE PICTURE. THE INFORMATION THAT WE SEND DOWN ON APRIL 1st FOR THE BUDGET DID INCLUDE THE 11 ITEMS WERE TO BE DETERMINED. WE HAD SINCE THEN GONE OUT TO RFP AND WE DID NOT PROVIDE THAT UPDATE. THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS FOR US TO PROVIDE MEMOS THROUGHOUT AS MY FIRST TIME DOING THE BUDGET THIS WAS THROUGH THIS, FOR ME, PAINFUL TO LEARN THIS INFORMATION WASN'T REALTIME UPDATED FOR YOU ALL. IT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR CFO AND I DISCUSSED WITH THE COW CHAIR THAT IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THROUGHOUT THE SIX-WEEK PROCESS THAT WE ALL GO THROUGH AND IT'S ACCURATE THAT INFORMATION HAD NOT BEEN CONVEYED. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. >> CHRISTOPHER FOLLOWED BY TERRY. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS, AND THE PUBLIC. I LIVE IN DISTRICT TWO. BUT I LIVE -- I ALSO WORKED IN DISTRICT SIX AND EIGHT. I'M GOING TO START BY THANKING COUNCILOR ROGERS FOR HER EFFORTS TO DO PARTICIPATORY BUDGETING. WE PARTICIPATED IN THE MEETING SHE HELD THROUGHOUT HER DISTRICT. I APPRECIATE THAT. I HOPE THAT IS A NEW PATH FOR OUR COUNCILORS AND FOR OUR CITY. I'M SPEAKING ABOUT THE IMMIGRANT-FRIENDLY POLICY. ENCOURAGES UNDOCUMENTED ASK MIXED FAMILIES TO WORK WITH ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT AND ALSO OUR SOCIAL SERVICE AGENCIES WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF FEAR TO BE ABLE TO COME OUT TO THE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. FINALLY, I WANT TO SPEAK TO THE CUTS TO THE BUDGET. MY UNDERSTANDING IS, AND I'M -- YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE ON MY PHONE THE BUDGET DOCUMENT SHOWS A DECREASE OF OVER A MILLION DOLLARS IN TOTAL APPROPRIATIONS AND $281,000 IN NET APPROPRIATION FOR TRANSIT. THAT'S THE CURRENT BUDGET DOCUMENT THAT'S UP ON THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE'S WEBSITE. IF THAT INFORMATION IS NOT CORRECT, I HOPE WE CAN CLARIFY WHAT THE CURRENT NUMBERS ARE AND IT DOESN'T REFLECT A DECREASE FROM FISCAL YEAR 24. WE APPRECIATE THE ACTION FOR ALBUQUERQUE TRANSIT RIDERS UNION. WE WOULD RATHER SEE ACS ON OUR BUSES AND BUS STOPS THAN POLICE OR SECURITY THAT DON'T KEEP US SAFE AND ACTUALLY CRIMINALIZE AND MAKE MANY OF OUR MOST IMPACTED COMMUNITIES MORE UNSAFE. I HOPE WE CAN ADDRESS THAT TRANSIT BUDGET DECREASE IN THE BUDGET. THANK YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. WE ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS. THERE WAS NO CUTS. THANK YOU. >> TERRY FOLLOWED BY STEPHANIE. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. I DO WANT TO ALSO OBJECT TO THE CUTS IN THE BUDGET OF $1.5 MILLION TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS. AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS RECTIFIED BY ONE OF THE CITY EMPLOYEES. COUNCILOR GROUT HAD MADE A REMARK WHEN WE STARTED OFF WITH THE UNALLOCATED MONEY WOULD HAVE TO REVERT BACK. SHE SAID IT IF THERE HAD PIN A PROVIDER FOR THE MONEY MAYBE THEY WOULDN'T BE REVERTED BACK. MANY OF THE PROVIDERS THAT GET FUNDS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS ACTUALLY DO DELIVER. THE CUTS ARE GOING TO -- IS SEEMS LIKE THE ALBUQUERQUE INDIAN CENTER, FAMILY PROMISE, AMONG MANY OTHER GROUPS THAT DO GREAT WORK THAT THE CITY DOESN'T DO WITH THE UNHOUSED POPULATION. I'M SORRY THERE ARE THESE CUTS AND THEY SHOULD NOT BE APPROVED. I'D ALSO SUPPORT ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT MR. RAMIREZ SAID ABOUT THE IMMIGRANT FRIENDLY CITY STATUS OF ALBUQUERQUE. I DO SUPPORT THAT. I ALSO WOULD -- I'LL LATER SPEAK ABOUT 24-1, 2, AND THREE. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO EMPS THE THE REMARKS BY THE YOUNG WOMAN. I DON'T REMEMBER HER LAST NAME THAT HAD TWIN CHILDREN AT HOME. SHE WAS ELOQUENT. SHE EXPRESSED MANY OF THE REASONS WHY THE CHARTER AMENDMENTS SHOULD NOT BE PASSED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> STEPHANIE FOLLOWED BY DAVID. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. PRESIDENT, CITY COUNCIL. I AM ASFMC COUNCIL VICE-PRESIDENT, AND PRESIDENT OF LOCAL 2962. I SHARE THE POSITION OF. WE LIKE KNOWING EACH OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS WIN WITH THE MAJORITY. THE WIN OF THE MAJORITY IS CENTRAL -- MEANS OUR GOVERNMENT HAS A LEVEL OF LEGITIMATE. WE SPEND -- IN TWO YEARS OUR BUDGET IS $2.8 BILLION. ON AVERAGE WE SPEND .023% OF THE BUDGET. LESS THAN 1/40 OF ONE PERCENT ON RUNOFF. EVEN IF WE TURN BACK THE CLOCK, IT INCENSES PARTIES TO RECRUIT AND RUN PEOPLE FOR OFFICE TO SPLIT THE VOTE ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER. BY INCENTING PEOPLE TO GAIN THE SYSTEM WE MAY END UP WITH MANY OR MORE RUNOFFICE BASED ON WHO CAN GET CANDIDATES NOT BASED ON WHO CAN WIN THE MAJORITY OF THE VOTE. WE DON'T NEED BEHIND THE SCENES GAMING TO THE SYSTEM. ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S NO GUARANTEE IT'S SAVING ANY MONEY. BEST CASE SCENARIO WHERE WE HAD ZERO RUNOFF WE SAVE LESS THAN 1/40 OF ONE PERCENT. WE NEED VOTERS TO HAVE THEIR VOICES HEARD. IN FEDERAL AND STATE RACES THAT HAVE PRIMARIES, IT'S ONLY TWO CANDIDATES FOR TWO POSITIONS. IN THE CASES WHERE THERE'S A THIRD CANDIDATE THAT PERSON IS NOT ABLE TO REACH THE TWO FROM 50%. EVEN WHEN THE WINNER IS BELOW 50% THEY'RE RARELY BELOW 50% IN ANY STATE-WIDE ELECTION FOR DETERMINING ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> DAVID FOLLOWED BY RUDOLPH. >> COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M A MEMBER OF THE PUERTA DEL SOL GOLF ASSOCIATION. REGARDING THE DISK GULF SURPRISE, I'M NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT I CONSIDER MAJOR PROBLEMS WITH IT. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT ONE PROBLEM. THAT'S THE $13.50 FEE FOR DISK GOLFS. IF THE CITY COUNCIL CANNOT OR WILL NOT STOP THIS PROJECT, I WISH TO POINT OUT THE COST TO DISK GOLFERS OF $13.50 IS WAY OUT OF LINE. 13.50 FOR 20 DISK HOLES COMES TO 67 CENTS PER HOLE. IF ONE WERE TO PLAY NINE HOLES THE COST IS $2.11. IF THE CITY BELIEVES LADERA EXECUTIVE NINE COURSE CAN BE COMPARED TO A REAL GOLF COURSE THEN WITH SAY LOWER THE GREEN FEES TO $13.50. I DON'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN BECAUSE PUERTO IS A REAL GOLF COURSE. YOU CAN ALSO MEASURE BY TIME SPENT ON THE COURSE. I ARGUE THE PER HOLE COST IS THE BEST MEASUREMENT BUT DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO EXPLAIN. I'M GLAD TO ELABORATE AT ANY TIME. IT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS THAT THOUGH THE $13.50 IS TOO LOW A FEE FOR DISK GOLFERS TO UTILIZE THE GOLF COURSE, AS A TAXPAYER I ASK THE DISK GOLF FEES BE MADE COMMENSURATE WITH THE REAL GOLF FEES AND RAISED TO $26 ON WEEKENDS. THE COURSE IS A PUBLIC RESOURCE AND TO GIVE PERMANENT DISCOUNT IS NOT FAIR TO GOLFERS. IF THERE ARE ANY RATE INCREASES OR GREEN FEES THEY SHOULD ME APPLIED TO DISK GOLF. THANK YOU. >> RUDOLPH FOLLOWED BY RIFFKA. >> MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, COUNCILOR LEWIS, WE HEAR WHAT THE FBI JUST SEND A NOTE WE'RE TEXTING A TERRORIST ATTACK AT ANY TIME ESPECIALLY TO THE LGBTQ FESTIVALS IN THE TOWN OR THE JEWISH COMMUNITY. TO MAKE THE CITY UNFRIENDLY FOR THE TIME NECESSARY TO PROTECT OUR JEWISH PEOPLE IS FUNDAMENTAL. I'M GOING TO ASK THE MAYOR TO CONSIDER THE SYNAGOGUE WHEN HE IS GOING TO SIGN OR NOT SIGN THAT THING. I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT 1984. 1984 REAGAN WAS FIGHTING THE WAR AGAINST THE CARTEL OF CLOM -- COLUMBIA. I WAS THERE AND I PRESENTED TO SOME FRIENDS. AND WE STOPPED THE FLOW OF COCAINE TO THE UNITED STATES LIKE WE NEED TO STOP THE FLOW OF FENTANYL TO THE UNITED STATES. SO WE HELP APD TO GET ENOUGH POs TO RUN OPERATIONS. MY FAMILY HELP THEM. AFTER THEY BOUGHT IT, THEY BETRAYED THEM TWICE. THAT WAS THE CHICANOS. THE WHITE PEOPLE ARE WORSE. THEY USE THEM AND PROMISE THEM CITIZENSHIP AND THREW THEM IN JAIL AND TOLD THE CARTEL IT WAS COMING FROM THEM SO THEY GET KILLED. SO YOU CANNOT TELL ME THIS STORIES OF HOW MUCH WE SUFFER BECAUSE WE SUFFER THOSE STORIES, BUT NOW WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT NATIONAL SECURITY OF THE KIDS AND MEXICAN KIDS TOO HERE. THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE DYING EVERY DAY. I HAVE A SECOND COUSIN THAT DIED THIS WEEK. I WANT TO PLEASE ASK YOU TO SUPPORT, AT LEAST FOR FOUR YEARS, UNTIL WE GET THE SITUATIONS GOING TO BE FRIENDLY -- >> THANK YOU. >> GET THE INFORMATION SO WE CAN GO DOWN TO MEXICO -- >> RIFFKA. >> HELLO. I'M THE MEDICAL DIRECTOR FOR THE WEST SIDE EMERGENCY HOUSING CENTER. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN, AND THE CITY COUNCILLORS FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE PROPOSED BUDGET CUTS AND PARTICULARLY THIS IDEA OF THE 50% FUNDING. I DON'T KNOW, IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME AT THIS POINT WHETHER SOME OF THE CUTS INVOLVE THE WEST SIDE EMERGENCY HOUSING CENTER, BUT THE WORK WE DO OUT THERE IS VITAL. THERE ARE BETWEEN 500 AND UP TO 650 PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS WHO STAY THERE. SOME PEOPLE ARE PRACTICALLY PERMANENT RESIDENTS. THEY HAVE BEEN THERE FOR MANY MONTHS, IF NOT YEARS. THERE ARE MANY ELDERLY PEOPLE WHO ARE AT WEHC. IF THERE'S A DECREASE IN FUNDING THAT WILL AFFECT THE CARE THAT WEHC OFFERS TO A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE HOMELESS POPULATION WHERE THEY'RE NOT ON THE STREETS AT NIGHT. AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE TRANSPORTATION. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE CONTINUE MEDICAL CARE. THERE ARE HOMELESS PEOPLE THAT HAVE INCREASED MEDICAL PROBLEMS AND AGAIN, IT'S UNCLEAR IF THERE ARE BUDGET CUTS, BUT THIS IS NOT AN AREA TO CUT FUNDING. WE'RE HELPING TO KEEP PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS OF ALBUQUERQUE. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME. I HOPE THAT WEHC IS NOT INCLUDED EVEN IN PARTIAL FUNDING CUTS BECAUSE IT'S SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S A 50% DECREASE. THANK YOU. >> MR. PRESIDENT, THAT CONCLUDES GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCIL WILL TAKE SCHEDULED 30-MINUTE BREAK. >>COUN. LEWIS: WELCOME BACK. WE'RE GOING INTO FINAL ACTIONS. FIRST IS ITEM A. BEFORE WE DO THAT, OUR STAFF HAS A BRIEF PRESENTATION REGARDING ORGANIZATION. >> MR. PRESIDENT, WHEN WE'RE HEARING THE BUDGET IN THE FINAL FORM, PREVIOUS CAO HAS ALWAYS BROUGHT ICE CREAM TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A SWEET TREAT. AND ENJOY SOMETHING WHILE WE MOVE THROUGH THIS. WE HAVE TONIGHT IN THAT TRADITION BROUGHT POPSICLES OF ALL VARIETIES. KEVIN, OUR CFO, WILL PASS IT TO YOU ALL, THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. EAT THOSE BEFORE THEY MELT. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME PRESENT FINDINGS MY TEAM DISCOVERED DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS. I'M GOING TO DO MY BEST TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE INFORMATION SO YOU MAKE THE BEST DECISIONS ABOUT THE PROPOSED BUDGET. AS A REMINDER YOU CAN PASS IT TONIGHT AND DRAFT A RESOLUTION AT ANY TIME TO AMEND IT AT A LATER DATE. THIS IS THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART ALSO KNOWN AS -- CHART. THIS IS THE MAYOR'S CAO OFFICE FOUND ON THE WEBSITE. IT'S DATED MARCH 11th. IT LISTS THE MAYOR'S CAO, AND CHIEF OF STAFF AND DEPUTY ASSOCIATE CAOS. THIS CHART IS DATED JANUARY 31st, AND WAS FOUND ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE EARLIER THIS YEAR. IF IT'S -- IF IT PLEASES THE COUNCIL I LIKE TO REFER TO THIS CHART AS THE INTERNAL STAFF ORG CHART FROM HERE ON OUT. I WANT TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SEVERAL OF THE COALER CODED BOXES. THE PURPLE BOXES ARE THE GENERAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE LISTED IN THE INTERNAL STAFF ORG CHART AND ALSO LISTED IN THE GENERAL SERVICES DEPARTMENT. HOWEVER, A LARGER PULLBACK VIEW OF THE ORG CHART SHOWS THEY DO NOT REPORT TO THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR, THERE WHAT'S CALLED AN ISLAND IN THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART. THAT MEANS THEY DON'T REPORT TO THE DIRECTOR AND THEY ARE ON THE INTERNAL STAFF ORG CHART. PARKS AND RECREATION ALSO HAS AN ISLAND. IT IS ONLY ONE PERSON. IT'S THE LIAISON AND COORDINAOR OF VETERAN SERVICES. AS WE GO BACK TO THE INTERNAL STAFF ORG CHART I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THE BOXES IN YELLOW ANDMAGENTA. THEY'RE FUND -- ONLY ASSOCIATE CHIEF OFFICER RUIZ-ANGEL IS IDENTIFIED ON THE EXTERNAL ORG CHART. THE OTHER EIGHTING POSITIONS LISTED HERE ARE NOT ON LEGAL ORGANIZATIONAL CHART. JUST THE MAYOR'S INTERNAL ORGANIZATIONAL CHART. AGAIN, THEY'RE PAID OUT OF THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THIS POSITION IS LISTED AS IN THE INTERNAL ORG CHART BUT IS PAID OUT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT'S BUDGET AND IS NOT LISTED ON THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATIONAL CHART. JUST TO BE CLEAR WE RECEIVED NEW UPDATED ORGANIZATIONAL CHARTS WHEN WE'RE GIVEN THE PROPOSAL BUDGET AND WE ASKED FOR THEM IN THE GENERAL QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE ASKED. A COUPLE MORE, THE YELLOW AND TEAL ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE. THE YELLOW AND TEAL ARE PAID OUT OF THE DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE AND ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES. THEY'RE ONLY LISTED IN THE MAYOR'S CAO INTERNAL ORG CHART, BUT THEY'RE NOT LISTED ON THE -- ORG CHART. AND THEN ONE MORE, THIS IS A CONTRACT POSITION. IT'S PAID OUT OF DTI. AND IT'S NOT LISTED ON DTI'S ORGANIZATIONAL CHART. IT'S LISTED ONLY ON THE INTERNAL. WE VERIFIED THESE FUNDING SOURCES THROUGH THE CABQ/ALBUQUERQUE TRANSPARENCY SITE THAT LISTS WHERE PEOPLE ARE GETTING PAID OUT OF. I LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THE ORANGE HIGHLIGHTED BOXES. THESE POSITIONS APPEAR ON BOTH THIS MAYOR AND ADMINISTRATION INTERNAL ORGANIZATIONAL CHART BUT THEY ALSO APPEAR ON THEIR RESPECTIVE DEPARTMENT. WE HAD TO RUN DOWN THE LIST RELATIVELY QUICKLY. DTI HAS THESE TWO POSITIONS THAT REPORT -- NOT REPORT, SORRY, THAT APPEAR ON THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART OF INFORMATION SERVICES OR TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION AND THE MAYOR'S INTERNAL ORG CHART. THESE ARE THREE ADDITIONAL POSITIONS PAID OUT OF TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION THAT APPEAR ON THE MAYOR'S INTERNAL ORG CHART AS WELL AS THE DTI'S ORGANIZATIONAL CHART. POLICE DEPARTMENT, THESE TWO CITY EMPLOYEES ARE LISTED ON THE INTERNAL ORGANIZATIONAL CHART AND APD'S ORGANIZATIONAL CHART AND THEY'RE PAID OUT OF APD BUDGET. THIS ONE POSITION IS A CONTRACT POSITION IT ONLY APPEARS ON THE INTERNAL STAFF ORGANIZATIONAL CHART BUT IS PAID OUT OF APD. SENIOR AFFAIRS, AND FINALLY YOUTH AND FAMILY SERVICES. COUNCIL, THIS IS WHAT WE DISCOVERED DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS. AND WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS INFORMATION FOR YOU. MY TEAM AND I STAND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILORS, ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? THIS IS A PRESENTATION PUT IN HERE BEFORE FINAL ACTION SIMILAR TO HOW WE DO OTHER PRESENTATIONS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. THERE'S TIME FOR DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS FOR OUR STAFF. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, WHAT IS THE TRADITIONAL -- I MEAN IN MY HEAD I THINK AN ORG CHART IS SPECIFIC TO THAT DEPARTMENT OR ENTITY. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT DOES OCCUR MORE OFTEN THAN NOT IN DIFFERENT AREAS WHETHER IT'S GOVERNMENT OR OTHER BUSINESSES? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT LEWIS, COUNCILOR BASSAN, THE MAYOR ABSOLUTELY AND CAO ABSOLUTELY HAVE AUTHORITY TO CHOOSE WHO THEY WANT TO WORK IN THEIR DEPARTMENT. I HAVE BEEN HERE 19 YEARS, WE HAVE -- I'VE BEEN THROUGH THREE ADMINISTRATIONS. I CAN TELL YOU PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATIONS HAVE BROUGHT UP EMPLOYEES AS TEMPORARY PLACEMENT INTO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE BUT AFTER THE PROJECT WAS DONE SENT BACK TO THE RESPECTIVE DEPARTMENT. I CAN'T SPEAK WITH GREAT KNOWLEDGE ON MAYOR BERRY'S ADMINISTRATION. WITH THAT SAID, I DON'T RECALL EVER SEEING AN ISLAND LIKE THE GSD ORG CHART BEFORE. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, IS THERE -- I MEAN WHAT IS THE LEGALITY OF ALL OF THIS? THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS -- AGAIN I'VE NEVER SEEN SOMETHING LIKE THIS BEFORE. I DON'T KNOW -- AND I'M WONDERING ARE WE PAYING ONE POSITION AND TWO DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS? ARE WE NOT? WHAT ARE SOME OF THE LEGAL IMPLICATIONS THAT COME ALONG WITH THIS? I KNOW THAT'S PROBABLY ONE QUESTION FOR MANY PEOPLE, PUT -- BUT IT'S RELEVANT. >> THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. I'LL ANSWER TO THE FUNDING SOURCE. I KNOW RELATIVELY QUICKLY YOU HAVE HARD COPIES, HIGHLIGHTED BOXES THAT ARE NOT ORANGE ARE PAID OUT OF THE DEPARTMENT THAT I MENTIONED. WE HAVE EIGHT FROM LEGAL INCLUDING AN ASSOCIATE IN ADDITION TO AN ASSOCIATE CAO. AND THEN WE HAVE TWO FROM DFAS AND TWO FROM APD BUT THOSE TWO FROM APD APPEAR IN BOTH ORGANIZATIONAL CHARTS. IT IS A LITTLE CONFUSING. THE FUNDING COMES FROM THE DEPARTMENT THAT ARE IDENTIFIED. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE SECOND QUESTION, I GUESS I REALLY WANT CLARITY ON WHERE WE BUDGETING TWO DIFFERENT POSITIONS FOR ONE PERSON TO FILL? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN NO. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. AND THE LEGALITY PART OF IT, MR. PRESIDENT. >> CERTAINLY, COUNCILOR. COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, CITY PERSONNEL RULES AND REGULATIONS REQUIRE AS A MATTER OF PROFESSIONALISM THAT THE CITY ME HONEST AND TRANSPARENCY IN RECORDKEEPING IN REGARD TO THE BUDGET. ADDITION THE STATE LAW REQUIRES THE CITY TO REPORT ITS BUDGET TO THE STATE BOARD OF FINANCE. THAT PRESCRIBES THAT EVERY LOCAL BODY SHALL KEEP BOTH RECORDS AND ACCOUNTS IN THEIR RESPECTIVE OFFICES PRESCRIBED BY THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT DIVISION AND CONFORM TO THE RULES PRESCRIBED BY THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT. THE CITY HAS AN OBLIGATION TO HAVE AN ACCURATE BUDGET TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT DIVISION AND THE STATE BOARD OF FINANCE DECIDES WHETHER THAT'S COMPLAINT WITH THE REGULATIONS. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, SO, YOU SAID THAT WE HAVE TO -- THE CITY HAS TO MAKE SURE TO SEND THIS TO THE STATE REGULATION? >> CORRECT. >>COUN. BASSAN: WHAT GOT SENT TO THE STATE REGULATION? >> WHAT IS SENT TO THE STATE LOCAL GOVERNMENT DIVISION IS THE ADOPTED RESOLUTION AND IT'S HANDLED BY THE STATE. IT HAS ITS OWN HEARING. >>COUN. BASSAN: I'M SORRY, MR. PRESIDENT. DID AN ORG CHART GET SENT TO THE STATE? >> NO. AN ORG CHART IS NOT SENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: OKAY, THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, SOME OF THE IT IS WE HAVE POSITIONS ON AN ORGANIZATIONAL CHART OR INSIDE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART THAT ARE UNDER VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS AND FUNDED BY THOSE VARIOUS DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. YET, THEY ANSWER OR THEY REPORT DIRECTLY TO THE CAO OR TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, WE HAVE OR THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHARTS THAT REVEAL SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FROM MY HR EXPERIENCE AT CNM, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT. ABOUT POSITIONS MATCHING THE JOB DESCRIPTION THAT THEY'RE IN, ONE, AND COMING OUT OF THE CORRECT DEPARTMENT THAT THEY LIVE IN. AND SO, MY QUESTION I THINK IS JUST FOR THE ADMINISTRATION, ARE THESE FOLKS PAID OUT OF THE DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE FUNDING WAS AT THAT TIME TO BE ABLE TO FILL THESE ROLES? WAS THERE OPERATIONAL NEED TO DO THIS? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, AND COUNCILORS, I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT IS TO KNOW WE HAVE ORGANIZED THE POSITIONS AND THE WORK THAT WE DO IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS FOR US TO BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT. WHEN WE THINK ABOUT IN THIS ORG CHART THERE'S CONSTITUENT SERVICES REPRESENTATIVES, AS WELL AS INDIVIDUALS THAT WORK SPECIFICALLY WITH CITY-WIDE COMMUNICATION THAT MIGHT BE VERY SIMILAR TO THE SCOPE AND RESPONSIBILITY OF OUR 311 CONTACT CENTER FOR EXAMPLE. THOSE POSITIONS ARE PAID OUT OF DTI BECAUSE THAT CONNECTATIVITY TO THE WORK IS THERE. WE PULL INDIVIDUALS CLOSER TO OUR WORK WITHIN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND THE CA OFFICE AS IT MAKES SENSE. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT INDIVIDUALS THEY MAY BE, FOR EXAMPLE, AT THE FRONT DESK AT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE THEY'RE PAID OUT OF DTI RELATED TO THE 311 CALL CENTER SCOPE BECAUSE THEY ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS COME IN AND ANSWER TO THE ALL THE FOLKS THAT COME IN AND IT'S CITY-WIDE AND CONNECTS TO THE INFORMATION. THE OTHER EXAMPLES ARE POLICY SHOPS, THEY WORK CLOSELY WITH LEGAL DRAFTING LEGISLATION AND POLICY AND THOSE POSITIONS BEING CONNECT WOULD WITH THE LEGAL BUDGET AND WORKING WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IS A WAY IN WHICH WE ORGANIZED THAT WORK AND IT HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY EFFECTIVE. I WILL TELL YOU COMING INTO THE CAO POSITION I WAS PLEASED TO SEE WE UNDERSTAND THE WAY IN WHICH DEPARTMENTS WORK TOGETHER ACROSS THE CITY AND WORK TOGETHER FOR THE CITY-WIDE FOCUS WE NEED TO HAVE FOR THE SUPPORT THAT IT TAKES TO THE RUN THE CITY. ANOTHER EXAMPLE YOU MENTIONED RELATED TO VETERAN'S SERVICES, HE'S ASSOCIATED WITH PARK AND THE VETERAN'S MEMORIAL IS WITHIN PARKS AND SO THAT ASSOCIATION IS BENEFICIAL FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT NOT ONLY IT'S COORDINATING AND WORKING WITH PARKS BUT ALSO WORKS WITH ANY VETERANS SERVICES WE HAVE FROM THE CAO OR MAYOR'S OFFICE. IT WAS REFERENCED EARLIER AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THE CHARTER ASSIGNS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF ORGANIZING THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE CITY TO THE MAYOR AND THE -- IT GETS DELEGATED TO THE CAO BY THE MAYOR. AND THIS ORG CHART IS A PUBLIC ORG CHART THAT ANYONE CAN SEE THAT ORG CHART. IT'S A PUBLIC RECORD. WE WOULD HAVE NEVER -- WE WOULD NEVER HIDE THAT IF SOMEONE REQUESTED. YOU'LL NOTICE THERE ARE DOTTED LINES. THEY'RE INTENTIONAL BECAUSE THERE'S SHARED FOCUSED. IN MANY INSTANCES TWO FOLKS ALIGNED IN APD, ONE OF THOSE IS A CONTRACTOR NOT AN EMPLOYEE, BUT THEY WORK HAND AND HAND ACROSS APD AND OUR COMMUNICATIONS TEAM TO ENSURE WE HAVE AN EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATION. THAT'S WHY YOU SAW GILBERT GALLEGO IN BOTH CHARTS BECAUSE THAT WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITHIN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IS VERY MUCH ABOUT ENSURINGING THAT WE'RE EFFECTIVE IN THOSE ROLES. THE IDEA OF ORGANIZING PEOPLE SO THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS WHO IS WORKING TOGETHER ON A DAILY BASIS AND WHERE THEY WORK WITHIN THE -- ACROSS THE CITY ADMINISTRATION, FOR ME IT WAS GOOD TO SEE THAT IT WASN'T JUST ABOUT GROWING A WHOLE BUNCH OF STAFF THAT HAVE BEEN VERY ISOLATED AND SEEING THAT IT IS MORE THAT FOCUSED ON ENSURING IT'S CITY-WIDE AND COLLABORATIVE. I DID ASK A QUESTION ABOUT IT MYSELF WHEN I STARTED, AND IT'S BEEN HISTORICALLY SIMILAR TO THIS. SOMEONE TALKED ABOUT A FORMER MAYOR AND HIS ORGANIZATION BEING SIMILAR. I OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE ALL OF THAT HISTORY FROM THE CITY. BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN TRADITIONALLY WHERE YOU DON'T ALWAYS HOLD STAFF IN THE SAME WAY BUT YOU'RE CREATING THE COLLABORATIVE FOCUS ACROSS DEPARTMENTS AND ENSURING THE WORK IS DONE IN A WAY THAT IS BOTH UTILIZING THE DEPARTMENT RESOURCES BUT ALSO FOCUSED ENSURING WE'RE DOING FOR ANYTHING THAT IS CITY-WIDE UTILIZING THOSE RESOURCES IN A -- >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. ONE MORE FOLLOW UP. THIS IS SOMETHING I TALKED TO THE MAYOR ABOUT IN MY PREVIOUS ROLE AS A LIAISON FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY. THERE'S ALSO A COMPLAINT FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY THAT HAD NO AFRICAN-AMERICANS WORKING IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. WE FOUND THIS A YEAR AND HALF AGO WHERE BASED ON WHERE THE EMPLOYEES THAT DO WORK IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE WERE PAID OUT OF THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO SHOW UP ON THE DATA FOR THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AS HAVING DIVERSITY. FROM A DATA PERSPECTIVE TO SEE WHERE EMPLOYEES ARE AND HOW THEY'RE NOT INTERACTING, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE THAT IF THEY'RE NOT PAID OUT OF THE DEPARTMENT THEY WORK IN. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THAT FEEDBACK BECAUSE THE TWO BLACK EMPLOYEES YOU HAVE IN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE ARE NOT PAID OUT OF THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. TECHNICALLY, THEY DON'T SHOW UP IN THE DATA. FROM A DATA PERSPECTIVE, AND ALL THE HR BEST PRACTICES SAY YOUR JOB DESCRIPTION SHOULD MATCH THE JOB YOU'RE DOING AND IF WE DID AN EVALUATION OF JOB DESCRIPTION AND WHO IS IN WHAT POSITION THAT THEY'RE NOT DOING WHAT THE JOB DESCRIPTION SAYS IT WOULD BE A WHOLE OTHER CAN OF WORMS IF WE DID THAT STUDY IN HR. HAVING THIS PRACTICE DOES NOT HELP US GET ACCURATE DATA ESPECIALLY ON RACE AND ETHNICITY ON EMPLOYEES AND WHERE THEY LIVE. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN AND COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, THIS IS -- ARE BOTH ORG CHARTS POSTED ON THE WEBSITE? >> COUNCILOR LEWIS, COUNCILOR BASSAN NO. >>COUN. BASSAN: NO? WHICH ORG CHART IS POSTED ON THE WEBSITE? >> COUNCILOR LEWIS, COUNCILOR BASSAN, THE ORG CHART DATED MARCH 11th WHICH IS FOR LACK OF A BETTER-TERM, GENERAL. CHIEF OF STAFF AND DEPUTY AND ASSOCIATE CAOs. >>COUN. BASSAN: SO THE INTERNAL ONE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS NOT POSTED? >> RIGHT. >>COUN. BASSAN: I WOULD THINK AS MUCH AS WE WANT TO BE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE WE'RE ALSO SAYING WE'RE GOING TO BE TRANSPARENT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE TRANSPARENT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE NOT BOTH THERE. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. FIVE ME I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE TWO DIFFERENT CHARTS? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THE PUBLICLY POSTED ORG CHART IS THE ORGANIZATION OF THE CITY AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL. IT DOESN'T GO INTO GRAULAR DETAIL. IT TALKS ABOUT WHICH DEPARTMENTS REPORT TO THE EXECUTIVE STAFF. THE ORG CHART YOU'RE BEING REFERENCED TO IS THE INTERNAL, IT'S REALLY MEANT -- IT'S MUCH MORE DETAILED AND ALL OF THE TYPES OF STAFF MEMBERS THROUGHOUT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND CAOs OFFICE THAT MIGHT BE WITHIN OTHER ORG CHARTS AND FUNDED ELSEWHERE, BUT SO WE UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE PARTIES WORKING TOGETHER ON THE CITY-WIDE INITIATIVES AND FOCUSES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MR. PRESIDENT, WHY -- I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS. WHY ARE SEVERAL POSITIONS FALLING UNDER SOMEBODY ELSE BUT PAID FOR OUT OF A DIFFERENT BUDGET? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, AS I MENTIONED, THERE ARE MANY PLACES WHERE THOSE INDIVIDUALS ARE WORKING WITHIN A WORKING GROUP THAT IT MAKES SENSE TO WORK TOGETHER WITHIN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE BUT PAID OUT OF A DEPARTMENT THAT IS ALIGNED TO THE WORK THEY'RE DOING. I'LL USE FOLKS THAT ANSWER THOUSANDS OF QUESTIONS, THANK GOODNESS WE HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY EITHER FROM 311, I.Q, OR WHATEVER THOSE PHONE CALLS MIGHT BE ALL OF THE STAFF WORK TOGETHER WITH 311 STAFF. THAT CALL CENTER IS LOCATED WITHIN DTI. IT'S AN EXAMPLE I'M USING IS THAT THE FOLKS ON THAT CHART THAT WORK WITHIN THAT SPACE, WE HAVE THEM PAID THROUGH DTI. IT ENSURES WE ALSO HAVE CONTINUITY AND THE INFORMATION THAT GETS SHARED AMONG THEM AND THE TRAINING AMONG ALL THOSE FOLKS AS WELL. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MR. PRESIDENT, ONLY A COUPLE MORE. SO THAT IF I FALL UNDER A DIFFERENT SUPERVISOR AND SOMEBODY ELSE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MY PAY DO I ANSWER TO TWO DIFFERENT SUPERVISORS? DOES THAT SUPERVISOR HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MY OVERTIME OR PAY DURING WHICH THEY'RE NOT SOFTBALL FOR? -- RESPONSIBLE FOR. >> THE DAY TO DAY SUPERVISION HAPPENS IN THAT INTERM ORG CHART. YOU CAN SEE ORG STRUCTURES. THE DAY TO DAY SUPERVISION HAPPENS IN A WAY THAT IS MORE FOCUSED ON THE COLLABORATIVE EFFORT. WHEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE WORKING ON SPECIALTY ISSUES, FOR EXAMPLE, SUSTAINABILITY OFFICER, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SUSTAINABILITY POLICY ISSUES, THE GRANTS WORK, AND ALL OF THAT CONNECTED WITH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE BASED UPON IT BEING FOCUS AND TOPIC MAKES SENSE FOR US THROUGH THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND STRUCTURE IN THE PAST. WE -- IT'S CONNECTED TO DSD BECAUSE WE HAVE SUSTAINABILITY PAID THROUGH THAT DEPARTMENT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MR. PRESIDENT, FINAL QUESTION. I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE IT REALLY WAS CONCERNING WHEN I JUST READ THIS. WE RECEIVED A PRESENTATION A COUPLE WEEKS AGO THAT YOU ASKED COMMANDER GARCIA TO COME IN AND HE SAID HE'S INDEPENDENT FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE HE ANSWERS DIRECTLY TO YOU BUT ACCORDING TO ONE OF THE CHARTS I SAW HE ANSWERS TO THE CFO. SO HE DOESN'T ANSWER TO YOU? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, HE DID SAY -- I DON'T KNOW -- I DON'T WANT TO QUOTE FROM MR. GARCIA. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THAT'S WHAT HE SAID BECAUSE HE WANTED TO EMPHASIZE HIS INDEPENDENCE. >> THE CFO REPORTS TO ME AND THE SUPERINTENDENT REPORTS TO THE CPO. THAT IS DONE SPECIFICALLY SO THAT I WOULD NOT BE THE DIRECT SUPERVISOR OF BOTH THE SUPERINTENDENT AND THE CHIEF OF POLICE SO THAT IF THERE'S A MATTER THAT NEEDED TO BE HANDLED BASED UPON ISSUES AROUND DISCIPLINE OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A DEGREE OF SEPARATION THERE FOR MR. SORSAU TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS. IT WAS MANAGED WHEN I CAME ON BOARD TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE AN EXTRA STEP OF ACCOUNTABILITY. IT IS TRUE THAT THEY REPORT DIRECTLY TO ME THE CFO REPORTS TO ME. SDMRCH THANK YOU, MR. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: WHY DIDN'T YOU PROVIDE THE INTERNAL ORGANIZATIONAL CHART TO THE COUNCIL DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS? >> MR. PRESIDENT, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT HISTORICALLY IT HAS NOT -- THE MAYOR'S OFFICE ORG CHART IS NOT ONE INCLUDED. IT WAS TRULY OUT OF FOLLOWING WHAT STEPS HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE PAST THAT WE ORGANIZED AND GATHERED THOSE CHARTS. >>COUN. LEWIS: DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG WE'VE HAD TWO DIFFERENT ORG CHARTS? >> MR. PRESIDENT, I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE HAS BEEN -- LIKE I EARLIER SAID, THERE'S BEEN A LONGSTANDING USE OF THIS TYPE OF ORGANIZATION WITHIN THE ADMINISTRATION ACROSS MULTIPLE ADMINISTRATIONS, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR OTHERS. >>COUN. LEWIS: I THINK WHAT IS SAID IS THERE'S NOT BEEN TWO ORGANIZATIONAL CHARTS AND THAT IF THERE WAS POSITIONS PAID OUT OF ANOTHER DEPARTMENT THEN THEY WERE ON LOAN AND CLEARLY SHOWN WITHIN AN ORG CHART. YOU CAN IMAGINE YOUR SURPRISE WHEN WE FOUND TWO DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONAL CHARTS WITH PEOPLE PAID OUT OF ONE DEPARTMENT AND REPORTED TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION. THIS INTERNAL ORG CHART IS NOT ONLINE? OR IT IS ONLINE? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I BELIEVE YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE INTERNAL WHETHER IT'S POSTED OR NOT? >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YES. >> I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S CURRENTLY POSTED. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: SO IF IT'S NOT POSTED, WHOSE DECISION WAS IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WASN'T TRANSPARENT TO THE PUBLIC? WHOSE DECISION WAS THAT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, ANY DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE IS A PUBLIC DOCUMENT. IT IS NOT ABOUT LACK OF TRANSPARENCY. WE DON'T POST EVERY SINGLE ORG CHART AS EVERYONE THAT REPORTS OUT FROM EVERY ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS WITHIN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE ORG CHART OR ADMINISTRATION WEBSITE. IT WAS NOT MEANT TO BE A LACK OF TRANSPARENCY, IT'S JUST NOT ONE THAT WAS -- ALL THE OTHER ORG CHARTS WHERE INDIVIDUALS ARE PAID OUT OF ARE ABSOLUTELY THERE AS WELL. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I'M STILL CURIOUS AS TO WHOSE DECISION IT WAS TO NOT MAKE IT TRANSPARENT. EVERYTHING WE DO IN THE CITY NEEDS TO BE TRANSPARENT. WHY WAS IT NOT TRANSPARENT AND WHOSE DECISION WAS IT TO KEEP IT NOT TRANSPARENT? I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT MAYBE SOMEWHERE ALONG THE LINE WE REACH OUT TO THE INVESTIGATIVE GENERAL OR THE AUDITOR TO DETERMINE WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THIS ORG CHART IS BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE'RE GETTING THE TRUE STORY HERE. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. ON THE ORG CHART THERE IS NO LEDGER. WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENT DOTTED LINES, ON THE ONE THAT IS POSTED RIGHT NOW, IT HAS A DOUBLE BOX THAT SAYS DENOTE ADMINISTRATIVE EXECUTIVE. THAT'S THE ONLY LEDGERS THAT I KNOW. I CAN FIGURE IT OUT, THE OTHER STUFF. THE INTERNAL ONE HAS A WHOLE BUNCH OF DOTTED LINES AND LONGER LINES AND AGAIN, NO LEDGER. IT'S KIND OF HARD TO UNDERSTAND. YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT SOME OF THE POSITIONS ARE PAID OUT OF -- IT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE A LOT OF THE WORK THEY DO FALLS UNDER ANOTHER DEPARTMENT. ASSOCIATE CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER, THAT IS PAID OUT OF LEGAL. HOW IS HER POSITION AND THAT POSITION -- HOW DOES LEGAL WORK WITH THAT POSITION? >> MR. PRESIDENT, VOICE-PRESIDENT GROUT, THAT SAN EXAMPLE OF A PASSION THAT HAS HAD DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS REPORTING TO IT. PREVIOUSLY, LEGAL REPORTED TO THAT POSITION. AND ALSO, THE INDIVIDUAL THAT SERVED IN THAT ROLE WAS ASSOCIATED WITH MUCH OF THE POLICY AND LEGAL WORK THAT WE WERE DOING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION. UPON MR. WHITE'S RETIREMENT, I REORGANIZED THAT POSITION DIFFERENTLY AND HOW THE DEPARTMENTS REPORTED BASED UPON THE EXPERTISE MOST CRITICAL FOR US TO BRING INTO THAT POSITION. AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, CITY ATTORNEY, NOW REPORTS WITHIN THE ORG CHART TO ME. THAT ONE BOX AND THAT CHANGE WOULD BE A REASONABLE CHANGE THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO MAKE TO APPROPRIATELY DESIGN THAT DIFFERENTLY. IF I MAY, I WANTED TO MENTION AN EXAMPLE THAT IS THE OPPOSITE ON THESE ORG CHARTS. WE OFTEN DON'T NOTICE AND WE DON'T SEE, AND IT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO NOTE, ALL OF THE SENIOR BUYERS IDENTIFIED WITHIN EACH OF THE ORG CHARTS ACROSS ALL OF THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, THEY'RE PAID FROM WITHIN THOSE DEPARTMENTS AND THEY WORK WITH THOSE DEPARTMENTS BUT THEY ACTUALLY REPORT TO THE PROCUREMENT OFFICERS BASED UPON THE NEED FRUS FOR US TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE TOGETHER. IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF THE OPPOSITE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE, OF WHAT WE'RE DESCRIBING. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, HAS THE MAYOR'S OFFICE SPENT ALL OF THE THEIR BUDGET? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT I BELIEVE WE DO. I'M SORRY THAT I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. MR. PRESIDENT, ARE THE EMPLOYEES EMBEDDED IN THE DEPARTMENTS THAT REPORT TO THE MAYOR OR TO CAO, ARE THEY CLASSIFIED OR UNCLASSIFIED? >> MR. PRESIDENT, VICE-PRESIDENT GROUT, I BELIEVE THEY'RE PRIMARILY UNCLASSIFIED POSITIONS. >>COUN. GROUT: OKAY. I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE CHART AGAIN, WHY IN THE ONE THAT'S ONLINE RIGHT NOW, IF THEY'RE ALL SOLID, THERE'S NO DOTTED LINES ANYWHERE. ON THE ONE POSTED FOR A VERY SHORT TIME, IT HAD A BUNCH OF DOTTED LINES. TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, VICE-PRESIDENT GROUT, THE ORG CHART POSTED ONLINE IS MEPT MEANT TO SHOW THE OVERALL ADMINISTRATION UNDER THE EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATORS TO ENSURE EVERYONE KNOWS EXACTLY WHICH DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE ADMINISTRATION, WHERE THEY'RE REPORTING INTO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE ORGANIZATION UNDER THE CAO. THAT IS A DIRECT SUPERVISION MODEL THAT WE HAVE SHOWN THERE IN THE PRIMARY ORG CHART. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. MY FINAL QUESTION, MR. PRESIDENT, WHO DOES THE -- IF THE MAYOR HIRES SOMEBODY OR IF HE INTERVIEWS SOMEBODY, ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO BE ON HIS ORG CHARTS? ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO BE PAID OUT OF HIS DEPARTMENT? THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, VICE-PRESIDENT GROUT, THROUGH THE CHARTER, I KNOW THIS SOUNDS LIKE SEMANTICS, BUT THROUGH THE CHARTER, THE MAYOR IS THE INDIVIDUAL THAT IS CHARGED WITH ORGANIZING THE GOVERNMENT. THROUGH THE CHARTER IT INDICATES ESSENTIALLY THAT ALL HIRING CAN BE DESIGNATED TO THE CAO. THROUGH THE CAO'S OFFICE IS ALL HIRING AND ASSIGNMENT OF INDIVIDUALS HAPPENS. THE CLASSIFIED POSITIONS DO NOT -- ARE NOT HIRED BY THE MAYOR, THEY'RE HIRED THROUGH THE CAO'S AUTHORITY BUT WITHIN THE DEPARTMENTS TO ENSURE WE'RE UPHOLDING OUR HIRING POLICIES AND PERSONNEL POLICIES FOR CLASSIFIED POSITIONS. SO, ALL POSITIONS THAT ARE BEING HIRED COME THROUGH OUR SYSTEMS AND MYSELF FOR ONE OF THE OTHER EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATORS APPROVE THE HIRING AS WELL. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR OUR TEAM. HOW DID OUR TEAM LEARN ABOUT THIS INTERNAL ORG CHART. ? >> COUNCILOR LEWIS, COUNCILOR ROGERS, IT WAS ABOUT THE BEGINNING OF FEBRUARY, THE FORMER CFO HAD RETIRED AND OUR DIRECTOR, MR. PADILLA AND I LOOKING AT THE WEBSITE TO SEE IF MR. SORASU HAD BEEN UPDATED AS THE NEW CFO. WE DISCOVERED THE NEW INTERNAL ONE AND TOOK A SCREENSHOT OF IT. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU SO MUCH. THAT MEANS THIS INTERNAL ORG CHART WAS ONLINE FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME? >> COUNCILOR ROGERS, THAT'S CORRECT. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU SO MUCH. >>COUN. LEWIS: I THINK COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. ARE ALL THE PEOPLE ON THE INTERNAL ORG CHART CLASSIFIED OR NON-CLASSIFIED? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, NOT HAVING IT IN FRONT OF ME AT THE MOMENT, I BELIEVE THEY'RE ALL UNCLASSIFIED POSITIONS. I WOULD NOT WANT TO MISSPEAK IF THERE ARE CLASSIFIED POSITIONS IN THERE. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. JUST ONE LAST QUESTION. WHY WAS THE INTERNAL ORG CHART UP AND THEN TAKEN DOWN? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I CANNOT SPEAK TO THAT. I DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW ABOUT THE FACT PATTERN AT ALL. I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK INTO ALL OF THAT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YOU DON'T KNOW WHY IT WAS PUT UP OR WHY IT WAS TAKEN DOWN OR EITHER? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, EITHER ONE. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THOSE FACTS. I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND DO A REVIEW WITH STAFF. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. SDMRL COUNCILORS, . >>COUN. LEWIS: ANYTHING ELSE? WE CAN CONTINUE THIS DISCUSSION AS WE MOTION FOR THE BUDGET. I GUESS, YOU KNOW, JUST ONE QUICK COMMENT. WE DO HAVE OUR CITY PERSONNEL REGULATIONS THAT REQUIRE THAT OUR CITY RECORDS INCLUDING REPORTS AND VOUCHERS AND REQUISITIONS AND PAYROLL AND PERSONNEL RECORDS ALL BE FACTUALLY AND ACCURATELY AND I THINK THAT'S THE DESIRE HERE IS TO MAKE SURE THE BUDGET WE'RE VOTING ON ACCURATELY REFLECTS THE PERSONNEL, WHO THEY ANSWER TO, HOW THEY'RE PAID AND THAT'S REALLY THE DESIRE HERE. I THINK ONE THING I'D LIKE US TO DO IS MAKE SURE WE AT LEAST IN OUR COUNCIL WEBSITE POST THAT INTERNAL ORGANIZATIONAL CHART AND WE POST SOME OF THE DATA THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ALONG WITH THE BUDGET AND WHETHER WE DEAL WITH THIS TONIGHT OR DEAL WITH IT IN OUR BUDGET REVIEW AT OTHER TIMES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS PRETTY QUICKLY. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILOR PEÑA. R-36. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. R-36 COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTED APPROPRIATING FUNDING FOR THE OPERATING THE GOVERNMENT OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. FISCAL YEAR 2025 BEGINNING JULY 1, 2024 AND ENDING JULY 2025. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOTION AND SECOND FOR DO PASS. I KNOW WE HAVE A NUMBER OF AMENDMENTS. WE CAN GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME. IS THAT YOUR DESIRE? >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. >> OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS KRISTEN FOLLOWED BY LISA. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE THIS EVENING. I'M KRISTEN AND WITH HE IS JOE, AND WE'RE THE CO-EXECUTIVE DIRECTORS OF EXPLORA. WE'RE HERE TO EXPRESS OUR DEEP GRATITUDE TO MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AND TO MAYOR KELLER AND CAO SENGEL FOR ENSURING THE LATEST VERSION OF THE CITY BUDGET MAINTAINS THE EXPLORA FUNDING AT THE FY24 LEVEL. >> COUNCILOR LEWIS, WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR OUR ATTENTION TO THE EXPLORA BUDGET AND SUPPORT THAT WILL ALLOWTUSE SERVE 400,000 PEOPLE THIS YEAR. FAMILY SCIENCE NIGHT, EARLY CHILDHOOD PROGRAMMING, EARLY LEARNING CENTER. WE'RE GRATEFUL TO THE MAYOR, ADMINISTRATION AND TO YOU, COUNCIL, FOR TAKING CARE OF ALBUQUERQUE YOUTH AND FAMILIES IN THIS WAY. EXPLRORA WOULD NOT EXIST WITHOUT YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> LISA FOLLOWED BY ANN MARY. >> THANK YOU, CITY COUNCIL, THANK YOU, PRESIDENT. I'D LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE CITY BUDGET. IN SUPPORT OF ACS. I DID NOT GET THE IDEA OR MEMO THEY WERE CUTTING IT. I WOULD LIKE TO PARTNER THAT WITH THE POLICE AND HOW THAT -- HOW WE FUND THEM OR INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER. I WAS ONE OF THOSE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY A PROPONENT FOR ACS. I'M CONCERNED NOW THAT WE'RE HEARING FROM THE COMMUNITIES, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, COUNCILOR ROGERS DISTRICT HAVE A DPRUP OF PEOPLE THAT MET TOGETHER THAT ARE CALLED COMMUNITY STRONG JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE CAN DO TO SUPPORT OUR PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT DISTRICT. I LIVE IN YOUR DISTRICT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, BUT WE'RE SEEING OR WE'RE HEARING THAT ACS IS RIDING ALONG WITH THE POLICE AND ALSO HEARING THAT THEY'RE NOT COMING OUT BEFORE -- OR THEY'RE COMING OUT WHEN THE POLICE ARE THERE. THEY'RE BEING SEEN TOGETHER. I DON'T UNDERSTAND -- AND MAYBE YOU CAN HELP ME, IF I CAN REPORT BACK TO OUR PEOPLE AND TALK TO OUR FOLKS WHO ARE CONCERNED, THOSE TWO BUDGETS ARE SEPARATE. SO WHEN ACS IS HANGING OUT WITH THE POLICE, IS THAT THE DOTTED LINE THING? OR IS IT SEPARATE? HOW DOES THAT WORK? I'M JUST CONCERNED IF ACS IS GOING TO CONTINUE DOING WITH THAT PARTNERSHIP. BECAUSE IN OUR COMMUNITY FOLKS ARE LIKE WHO DO WE CALL WHEN WE NEED HELP FROM THE -- NOT FROM THE POLICE. ARE THOSE TWO BUDGETS SEPARATE WHEN THEY INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER? ARE THEY TOGETHER? OR I GUESS THAT'S A QUESTION. THANK YOU. >> ANN MARIE FOLLOWED BY TAD. TAD. >> THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY COUNCIL CAN TELL ME WHAT IS BUDGET FOR 2025. ALL THE NUMBERS. NOBODY CAN TELL. >>COUN. LEWIS: IT'S NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER TIME. YOU CAN TAKE YOUR -- IT'S NOT QUESTION AND ANSWER. YOU CAN TAKE YOUR TWO MINUTES TO SAY WHATEVER YOU LIKE. >> WELL, HOW MUCH MONEY IS APPROPRIATED TOWARD THE BUDGET? 2025. NOBODY KNOWS. >>COUN. LEWIS: YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. YOU HAVE LESS THAN TWO MINUTES. [ INAUDIBLE ] >>-- MESSAGE WHO DISCRIMINATING, OTHER THAN MEXICAN, THANK YOU. >> MR. PRESIDENT, I DON'T SEE OUR ZOOM SPEAKERS ONLINE. THAT DOES CONCLUDE COMMENT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY, COUNCILOR PEÑA, BACK TO YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, DID YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THE AMENDMENTS FIRST, OR DID YOU -- >>COUN. LEWIS: IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT, WE CAN DO THAT. >>COUN. PEÑA: I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE -- YEAH. >>COUN. LEWIS: ORGANIZED A, B, C, D AND ALL THE WAY THROUGH. WE'LL START WITH AMENDMENT A. COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS WOULD BE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE BY REQUEST. AND THIS IS ON PAGE SIX LINE SEVEN ENTITLED NEIGHBORHOOD POLICING INCREASE THE AMOUNT BY 415. ON PAGE SIX LINE 15 DECREASE THAT AMOUNT BY 415. THIS NEUTRAL TECHNICAL AMENDMENT IS NEEDED TO ENSURE THE ADJUSTMENTS ARE ALLOCATED TO THE PROGRAM THAT CONTAINS THE ORIGINAL APPROPRIATIONS. THE ADMINISTRATION CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. >>COUN. LEWIS: IT'S MOVED AND SECONDED BY VICE-PRESIDENT GROUT. QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION. WE'LL GO RIGHT TO THE QUESTION BY COUNCILOR PEÑA. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS IS A TECHNICAL AMENDMENT NEEDED WHEN WE WERE MOVING AROUND RISK MONEY, WE MOVED IT OUT OF THE WRONG PROGRAM. I ADVISED THE WRONG PROGRAM. IF THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN WE HAVE A NEGATIVE APPROPRIATION WHICH THE STATE WOULD HAVE AN ISSUE WITH. WE WOULD BE TAKING MONEY OUT OF A PLACE WHERE MONEY WAS NEVER PUT. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: JUST TO BE CLEAR THE PROFESSIONAL ACCOUNTABILITY LINE IS STILL THAT SAME VERSION OF THE RISK CATEGORY THAT HAS NOT YET ENTERED THE RISK FUND? >> CORRECT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN CORRECT. >>COUN. LEWIS: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ON THE AMENDMENT? WE'LL CALL IT AMENDMENT ONE. MOVED AND SECONDED. COUNCILOR PEÑA TO CLOSE. >>COUN. PEÑA: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOVED AND SECONDED. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. THAT'S 7-2. DID YOU GET THAT? ITEM B, WHICH WE'LL CALL FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. IF IT'S TAKEN ACTION ON. COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO IS ON PAGE TWO LINE 25 ENTITLED EARLY RETIREMENT, DECREASE THE AMOUNT BY $455,000. ON PAGE FOUR LINE 17 ENTITLED MENTAL HEALTH INCREASE THE AMOUNT BY $455,000. THE EXPLANATION FOR THIS IS THE AMENDMENT PROPOSES TO REALLOCATE 455THEN -- TO THE HHH BUDGET. THIS 455 IS FOR CONTRACTED SERVICES IN THE DEPARTMENT AND HAS ALREADY GONE THROUGH RFP PROCESS AND SELECTED CONTRACTORS AND NOTIFIED THEM OF INTENTION OF AWARD. I MOVE A DO PASS. AND THEN, MR. PRESIDENT, AS I GO ON THIS IS -- I WILL GO ON TO TALK ABOUT THIS AMENDMENT LATER. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. THE MOTION NEEDS A SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. BACK TO YOU, COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. LEWIS: JUST BECAUSE I DIDN'T ASK, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION QUESTIONS? OKAY. DISCUSSIONS CLOSED. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THAT WAS FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. ITEM C. THIS IS COUNCILOR PEÑA. AND COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. PEÑA: I DEFER TO COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. SDMRL COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN . >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THIS IS FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE. ON PAGE TWO LINE 9 ENTITLED ANIMAL CARE CENTER INCREASE AMOUNT BY $100,000. THE EXPLANATION IS THERE WAS AN ERROR WHEN WE MEANT TO KEEP THE STREET CAT HUB LINE ITEM AT $500,000. IT WAS NOT CARRIED THROUGH. I WORKED WITH COUNCILOR PEÑA TO KEEP THAT LINE ITEM WHOLE. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR GROUT. DISCUSSION, COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, WHERE IS THE $100,000 COMING FROM TO ADD THAT $100,000 TO THIS? >>COUN. PEÑA: FUND BALANCE. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MR. PRESIDENT, I'M SORRY. THE QUESTION WAS WHERE IT'S COMING FROM, MY ANSWER WAS THE SAME AS COUNCILOR PEÑA'S. IT'S COMING FROM THE FUND BALANCE. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MR. PRESIDENT, MINE WAS ANSWERED. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WHAT IS IN OUR FUND BALANCE? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT LEWIS, COUNCILOR GROUT, WITH THIS AMENDMENT, IF IT PASSED, WE'LL BE RIGHT AROUND $1 MILLION IN FUND BALANCE. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, WHAT DOES THE -- HOW DOES THE FUND BALANCE AFFECT OUR RATING? >> MR. PRESIDENT, VICE-PRESIDENT GROUT, WE WANT TO LEAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FUND BALANCE, EVEN THOUGH WE TAKE 1/12 OFF THE TOP OF BUDGET FOR RESERVES AS PER STATE LAW, IT IS GOOD STILL ACCOUNTING PASSES TO LEAVE A BIT IN THE BANK. THAT HELPS WITH THE CREDIT AGENCIES TO SHOW THE CITY IS STILL STRONG AND WE'RE NOT SHAKING THE COUCH CUSHIONS LOOKING FOR EVERY PENNY TO SPEND. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN TO CLOSE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THIS WAS A COUNCIL-DIRECTED SPONSORSHIP THAT WAS MISTAKENLY LEFT OUT THIS YEAR IN THE BUDGET I REDUCED MY COUNCIL SPONSORSHIP BY $935,000. I ONLY ASKED FOR AN ADDITIONAL $380,000. I'M STILL NET $550,000. I REALLY APPRECIATE GETTING THIS BACK IN. IT WAS A CLERICAL ERROR. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THAT'S CORRECT. AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE DIFFERENT REITERATIONS OF THE BUDGET AT SOME POINT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE GRT NOT BEING INCREASED, SOME OF THE REITERATIONS HAD -- I HAD REDUCED THE STREET CAT HUB BY $100,000. AND I LATER FORGOT TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT WE DIDN'T PUT IT BACK IN. THAT'S THE REASON FOR THIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE MOVED AND SECONDED. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES, OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'LL GO TO ITEM D. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR. COUNCILOR PEÑA. OR COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. SDMRF THANK YOU, . >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR, ON PAGE FOUR LINE FOUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING INCREASE THE AMOUNT BY $340,000. INSERT THE FOLLOWING THIS SHALL BE INCREASED TO THE VOUCHERS CORRESPONDING FROM THE REVENUE GENERATED BY A GOLF FEE INCREASE. ON PAGE FIVE AFTER LINE 21 INSERT THE FOLLOWING THE FEE IN CREASE SHALL BE OFFSET WITH THE BALANCE OF THE REVENUE GENERATED FROM THE GOLF FEE INCREASE. LET ME EXPLAIN THIS BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO FIGURE OUT. IN THE BUDGET THAT WE PASSED LAST WEEK, WE -- I DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAD TAKEN OUT THE GOLF FEE INCREASES BUT WE HAD NOT TAKEN OUT THE AQUATIC FEE INCREASES. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE LET KIDS MAINTAIN THEIR ABILITY TO SWIM IN OUR CITY POOLS WITHOUT A FEE INCREASE. SO THIS IS RE-INSTALLING THE GOLF FEE INCREASE TO PAY FOR THE REDUCTION OF REVENUE FROM THE AQUATIC FEE INCREASE THAT WAS MISTAKENLY, I BELIEVE, INCLUDED IN LAST WEEK'S BUDGET. AND THEN THE RESULTING SURPLUS FROM THAT FEE INCREASE TO GOLF GOES TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING VOUCHERS WHICH AS YOU ALL KNOW I'VE SAID THIS AT EVERY SINGLE HEARING THAT WE'VE HAD IT IS A REAL SHAME THAT THE ADMINISTRATION CHOSE TO REDUCE OUR VOUCHER PROGRAM TO A LEVEL THAT WILL NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO MEETING OUR NEED. IT'S JUST A TINY BIT MORE TO ADD INTO THAT. REALLY, THE POINT HERE IS THAT WORKING WITH COUNCILOR PEÑA OVER THE WEEKEND REALIZING THAT WE HAD ACCIDENTLY LEFT THE INCREASE FOR AQUATIC, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS TAKEN OUT. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOVED AND SECONDED. ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? >> MR. PRESIDENT, IT INCREASES GOLF FEES BY $2 PER ROUND. GENERATING $516,000, ESTIMATED. AND THAT OFFSETS THE AQUATICS INCREASE. THE BALANCE OF THE -- IT'S 340THEN MRNG . >>COUN. LEWIS: I KNOW THE ADMINISTRATION DID NOT INTEND TO EARMARK THIS MONEY THEY JUST WANTED TO GO TO THE GENERAL FUND. NOW WE'RE EARMARKING IT TOWARD SOMEWHERE. SO DOES THE ADMINISTRATION HAVE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THAT? IT SEEMS LIKE NOW WE'RE OKAY WITH EARMARKING THOSE FEE INCREASES. >> MR. PRESIDENT, THIS LANGUAGE WOULD ALLOCATE THE DOLLARS WOULD GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND BUT ALLOCATES THE AVAILABLE FUND TO COVER THE EXPENSES OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING VOUCHERS. THAT WOULD BE MY UNDERSTANDING AS TO THOU ACCOUNTING WOULD WORK. AS YOU KNOW, WE ADVOCATED FOR AN INCREASE TO FEES THAT HAD NOT BEEN INCREASED IN THE TIME. THIS WOULD ALIGN TO THAT. >>COUN. LEWIS: YOU LIKE FEE INCREASES? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, CAO SENGEL IS ENTIRELY CORRECT. THIS REVENUE WOULD GO TO THE GENERAL FUND, FROM THE GENERAL FUND WE HAVE ADDITIONAL FUND BALANCE TO APPROPRIATE BACK OUT. WE'RE NOT TIEING IT NECESSARILY TO VOUCHERS. WE'RE MAKING MORE AVAILABLE BALANCE AT THE GENERAL FUND THAT SUBSIDIZES EVERY PROGRAM WE HAVE. >>COUN. LEWIS: THIS AMENDMENT WOULD TIE IT DIRECTLY TO VOUCHERS CORRECT? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, THAT'S INTENT. >>COUN. BASSAN: I DO WANT TO CLARIFY. I HEARD WHAT YOU JUST SAID. I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT. BUT WHAT YOU SAID IT WOULDN'T ALLOCATE THAT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE -- IT SAYS RIGHT HERE THE INCREASE SHALL ME APPROPRIATED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING VOUCHERS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE SO THERE'S NOT ANOTHER ACCIDENT ONCE WE PASS IT. >> ABSOLUTELY, WE'RE MAKING AN APPROPRIATION. WE'RE ADDING MONEY TO THE FUND BALANCE SO WE HAVE AVAILABLE MONEY TO APPROPRIATE. >>COUN. BASSAN: THIS GUARANTEES IT? >> ABSOLUTELY. YOU'RE GUARANTEEING THIS APPROPRIATION GOES TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING MADE POSSIBLE BY ADDITIONAL FUND BALANCE. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, WHILE WE'RE AT IT, I HAVE A CONCERN WHEN WE GET TO THE PUERTA DEL SOL STUFF ABOUT THIS. FUND BALANCES BETWEEN DISK GOLF AND GOLF FEES, I ALSO DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY GREAT THAT WE'RE ADDING $2 FOR THE GOLFERS EITHER. IT WOULD BE GOOD TO BALANCE THAT OUT EVENTUALLY. >>COUN. LEWIS: ANYONE ELSE? TO THE ADMINISTRATION, HOW MUCH OF THE HOUSING VOUCHERS UNSPENT CURRENTLY IN THE FUND? FROM PREVIOUS BUDGETS. >> MR. PRESIDENT, I'M NOT SURE I CAN ANSWER THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION TODAY. WE KNOW THAT IN THE PREVIOUS BUDGET WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE AMOUNT WE HAVE TODAY ALLOCATED WE LOOKED AT THE LIKELY SPEND RATE FOR THIS YEAR AND THAT'S WHERE WE CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THE $8 MILLION FOR HOUSING VOUCHERS WAS ON PAR WITH OUR ABILITY TO GET -- WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS AND ENSURE INDIVIDUALS ARE USING THE VOUCHERS IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR FOR HOUSING. >>COUN. LEWIS: HOW MUCH IS AVAILABLE AND IN THE FUND FOR HOUSING VOUCHERS AND YET UNSPENT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, DIRECTOR RAMIREZ IS GOING TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, IN REGARD TO THAT QUESTION, I THINK IT WAS ASKED OF US WE PROVIDED IN WRITING BACK TO COUNCIL. BEST WE COULD AS FAR AS WHAT WAS REMAINING, WHAT IT SHOWED WAS A TOTAL OF $12.7 MILLION. THAT WAS SPENT ON HOUSING VOUCHER PROGRAMS. AND THE DRAW DOWN AS OF THOSE DATES WAS ALSO PROVIDED. THAT WAS GIVEN TO YOU IN THE QUESTIONS YOU ASKED AND RETURNED IT. >>COUN. LEWIS: WHAT'S THAT NUMBER? >> MR. PRESIDENT, I'M GOING TO NEED A MINUTE. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A LOT OF MONEY TO GIVE TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, MILLIONS AND MILLIONS, YET IT'S NOWHERE CLOSE TO BEING SPENT OR USED. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD COME ON THE BACK OF JUST INCREASING FEES ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S NO BENEFIT TO THE FEES INCREASED. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I'M NOT FOND OF THE FEE INCREASE AS WELL. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN DO INREFERENCE TO CHANGING THAT UP? >> MR. PRESIDENT, MAY I ANSWER THE QUESTION FIRST AND THEN GET TO COUNCILOR SANCHEZ? OKAY, THE QUESTION ASKED OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HHH, HOW MUCH OFPT APPROVED FY24 FUNDING FOR HOUSING VOUCHERS WERE EXPENDED, THE ANSWER WERE THESE AMOUNTS AT THE TIME OF THIS REQUEST, A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, AGENCIES HAVE UNTIL JULY 15, 2024 TO REQUEST REIMBURSEMENT FOR SERVICES. THIS CURRENT NUMBER IS NOT ACCURATE REFLECTION OF VOUCHER UTLUSITION OR SPENDING. MANY AGENCIES HAVE BOUGHT BACKLOGS OF REIMBURSEMENTS THEY HAVE NOT SUBMITTED FOR. EXPENDED $11.2 MILLION, UNEXPENDED $11.6 MILLION. UNEXPENDED WITH FUND 265 REMOVED THE DATE, $7.5 MILLION. >>COUN. LEWIS: WE STILL HAVE $7.5 MILLION THAT'S HAS NOT BEEN SPENT. THAT'S COUNTING WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING TO HAVE TO REIMBURSE. RIGHT NOW, ANOTHER $7 MILLION THAT WE'VE NOT SPENT ON HOUSING, I'M SURE INCREDIBLY NEEDED RIGHT NOW, BUT YET NOT EVEN PLANNED TO BE SPENT. SO $7 MILLION THAT'S NOT EVEN PLANNED TO BE SPENT. AGAIN, I HAVE NO PROBLEM JUST POURING AS MUCH MONEY WE CAN INTO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I'D LIKE US TO BE USING IT. AGAIN, IF THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO DO THAT, IF THERE WAS A WAY WITHOUT RAISING FEES, RAISING TAXES, I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH FINDING A WAY TO DO THAT. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: I'M SORRY, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, I HAD COUNCILOR BACA AND THEN WE'LL GO TO YOU. >>COUN. BACA: JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION. IF THIS AMENDMENT DOESN'T PASS, WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE RAISING FEES ON THE AQUATICS PROGRAM AND THOSE WILL GO INTO THE GENERAL FUND CORRECT? THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. THEN COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WAS GOING TO MAKE THE SAME POINT THAT COUNCILOR BACA WAS. IN THE BUDGET WE PASSED LAST WEEK, WE RAISED FEES ON THE AQUATICS PROGRAM THROUGH PARKS AND REC. REALLY, AT THIS POINT, GIVEN ALL THE WORK THAT COUNCILOR PEÑA PUT INTO THE BUDGET, I THINK SHE'S FINE TUNED IT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND FOUND AS MUCH MONEY AVAILABLE. IF WE WANT TO NOT HAVE THAT FEE INCREASE FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GO SWIMMING, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE CHILDREN'S ACCESS TO SWIMMING, I'M NOT SUPER CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE'S ACCESS TO GOLF. I THINK IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO WHETHER WE VALUE INCREASE AGAINST GOLFERS OR AGAINST CHILDREN THAT WANT TO GO FOR A SWIM. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. IT WAS AN ERROR. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY THAT I SPOKE TO COUNCIL, I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO EVERYONE BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO. I THINK WHO I SPOKE TO WAS SURPRISED WE LEFT THE AQUATIC FEE INCREASE. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THE AQUATIC FEE WE'RE TRYING TO FIND $176,000. WHAT WAS IT -- CAN YOU SUMMARIZE RIGHT BEFORE WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WAS UNSPENT ON VOUCHERS? >> COUNCILOR LEWIS, COUNCILOR BASSAN, UNEXPENDED WAS ABOUT $7.5 MILLION. IF WE DON'T GET REIMBURSEMENT REQUESTS BY JULY 15, I'M SURE IT WILL GO DOWN SOME BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET REIMBURSEMENT FOR $7.5 MILLION. >>COUN. BASSAN: HERE IS THE PREDICAMENT. WE WANT THE HOUSING FUNDING. WE DON'T WANT FAMILIES AND YOUTH TO HAVE TO PAY FOR AQUATICS BECAUSE THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE WHEN WE ELIMINATED IT LAST TIME. AND ALSO, I HAVE HEARTBURN OVER INCREASING GOLF FEES AGAIN. WE'RE NOW GOING TO PENALIZE SENIORS. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE TO CHILDREN AND PENALIZE SENIORS. AND TRY TO GET HOUSING -- THIS IS A PROBLEM. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIX THIS. I KNOW YOU WORKED HARD. I APPRECIATE THAT THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT FOR A SOLUTION. MAYBE WE NEED TO SIT HERE FOR A FEW MINUTES AND FIGURE THIS OUT. THERE'S TWO OF THE THREE THAT I'M OKAY WITH. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I REITERATE WHAT COUNCILOR BASSAN SAID. WE CAN'T PUT MORE MONEY INTO SOMETHING WE'RE NOT EVEN SPENDING ALL OF THE AMOUNT YET WE'RE RAISING A FEE AND WE'RE DOING IT ON THE BACKS OF YES A SELECTED FEW, AT THE SAME TIME I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT WE OVERLOOKED THE AQUATIC CENTER. IS THERE A WAY WE ELIMINATE THE EQUATICS FEE? . >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. PEÑA: FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO GO TO THE STAFF. THE INTENTION WAS TO NOT HAVE THE FEES FOR THE POOL. ALONG THE WAY, THERE WAS JUST SOME MISCOMMUNICATION. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, THAT'S CORRECT. IN A LOT OF THE MEETINGS WE HAD, THE ADMINISTRATION CAME TO COUNCIL SAYING THEY WERE INCREASING GOLF AND POOL FEES. I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. I MISSED PAGE 61. THEY WERE SEPARATED. SO WHEN WE WERE TOLD 516, I MADE THE ASSUMPTION THAT'S GOLF AND POOL FEES. IT TURNS OUT GOLF REVENUE WAS BEING REQUESTED TO BE AT $2 A ROUND INCREASED BY $516,000. AND THE AQUATICS FEES WOULD BE INCREASED APPROXIMATELY 20% ACROSS THE BOARD, EXCLUDING SWIM LESSONS. FOR $176,000. THAT WAS MY FAULT. I APOLOGIZE. WE'RE COMING DOWN TO THE FINAL COUPLE AMENDMENTS HERE. MY SUGGESTION, IF IT PLEASES THE COUNCIL, WOULD BE TO -- IF YOU WANT TO ELIMINATE THE AQUATICS FEES, I SAY TAKE FROM THE FUND BALANCE. THAT REDUCE THE FUND BALANCE. WE WOULD BE AT 775. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE COUNCIL'S APPETITE IS TO GO WITH THE FUND BALANCE. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, THAT'S EXACTLY THE PREDICAMENT WE'RE IN. AND LOOKING AT THIS BUDGET, I JUST WANT TO SAY, I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO THE WHOLE THING YET. I WAS REALLY PROUD OF THIS BUDGET WE PUT FORTH. WORKING WITH THE COUNCILORS TO GET EVERYTHING THEY WANTED IN, AND OF COURSE WORKING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND THEN WHAT HAPPENED THERE. WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT NOT INCREASING THE GOLF FEES, AND INCREASING THE POOL FEES, YOU KNOW IT JUST SENDS A WRONG MESSAGE. THERE WAS AN ERROR, IT WAS AN UNINTENTIONAL ERROR. I WAS TRYING TO CALL COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, BUT I THINK OUR LIST IS INCORRECT. IF WE CAN GET OUR LIST CORRECTED. ANYWAY, JUST TO SAY THAT I UNDERSTAND. I DID HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT INCREASING THE VOUCHERS JUST BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SPENT, BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND ON PRINCIPLE WHY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN REALLY WANTED TO DO THAT. I ACTUALLY GIVEN HER AN EXAMPLE THAT I HAD A FAMILY MEMBER THAT WAS AT MY MOM'S HOUSE THE OTHER DAY THAT WAS SAYING HE COULDN'T ACCESS ANY VOUCHERS AND HAVE BEEN TO ALL OF THE NON-PROFITS IN THE CITY. AND THERE WAS NONE AVAILABLE. YOU KNOW, JUST KNOWING FROM A PERSONAL LIVED EXPERIENCE AND YOU KNOW KNOWING HER PASSION FOR WANTING TO INCREASE THIS, I THOUGHT IT'S REASONABLE WE NEED TO GET THIS PROGRAM OFF THE GROUND. THERE'S PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY NEED IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN THERE. I'M NOT INVOLVED IN THE DAY TO DAY IN CARRYING OUT THE PROGRAMS OR HOW THEY'RE EXECUTED. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S PEOPLE OUT THERE HAVING A HARD TIME ACCESSING THE VOUCHERS. AS COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN WAS SAYING, WE SHOULDN'T NECESSARILY DECREASE THEM WHEN THE NEED IS STILL OUT THERE. WE SHOULD LOOK AT FIXING WHATEVER INTERNAL HICCUPS WE HAVE IN ORDER TO GET THE VOUCHERS OUT. WITH THAT, I TOLD HER I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT IF WE COULD ALSO DO THE POOL. OFFSET THE POOL WITH THE GOLF. I REALLY JUST FEEL LIKE THE CHILDREN IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE, BEING ABLE TO USE THE POOL THIS SUMMER AND HAVING IT AT THE REDUCE FEE, I WOULD RATHER PASS THAT FEE ON IF WE HAVE TO TO THE GOLFERS. AND THEN JUST GO BACK TO THE FUND BALANCE. ONE OF THE THINGS WORKING ON THIS BUDGET, YOU KNOW, THE FUND BALANCE IS AT A MILLION DOLLARS. I WANTED IT OVER A MILLION DOLLARS. WE HAD IT AT 1.1. OBVIOUSLY, WE HAD TO REDUCE IT JUST NOW FOR THAT OTHER ISSUE. TO REDUCE THE FUND BALANCE MORE, I WOULD BE VERY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH US DOING THAT AND COMING FROM COUNCIL, I THINK THAT WOULDN'T BE THE RIGHT MESSAGE TO SEND. I WOULD SAY THAT IF ANYTHING IF COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN WOULD BE AMENABLE TO TAKING THE HOUSING VOUCHERS AND DO A SLIGHT IN CREASE TO DO THE GOLF GREENS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. >>COUN. LEWIS: FLOOR AMENDMENT FOUR. SECONDED. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. DAVIS, MR. NOEL, I DIDN'T BRING DOWN MY BIG, GIANT BINDER. I DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL PAPER, BUT I DO REMEMBER -- I'M NOT SAYING I DON'T LIKESHOTSPOTTER. BUT IN THAT PAPER WAS SHOTSPOTTER. THERE'S A BREAKDOWN WITH HOW THE CONTRACT IS FEDERAL FUNDING AND WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT FROM GENERAL FUND. IN THAT BREAKDOWN IS GOING INTO FISCAL YEAR '26. IS THERE ANY WAY TO PULL FROM THAT PORTION OF THAT, BECAUSE IT'S ALL PUT INTO MY UNDERSTANDING, ABOUT $1.1 MILLION. I'M NOT SAYING I WANT TO TAKE ALL OR GET RID OF IT, BUT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY WE CAN MAKE THIS WORK TO WHERE IF THERE'S A CERTAIN LENGTH OF TIME INVOLVED THAT WE CAN THEN WORK TO GET MORE SHOT SPOTTER FUNDING FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. WHICH I DON'T HAVE MY PAPER. I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK BECAUSE I'M GOING OFF OF ONE REALLY BAD EXCEL SPREADSHEET I MADE. I'M GOING OFF OF THAT IN MY MEMORY, IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN DO WITH THAT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, LET ME CHECK WITH APD'S BUDGET ANALYST. I WOULD SAY NO BECAUSE IT'S RESTRICTED FUNDING. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, MR. DAVIS, WHAT I HAVE ON THE PAPER WE WERE GIVEN DURING A BRIEFING AT SOME POINT, FOR NOW THERE'S A GRANT FUNDING, YES. THAT'S GOING TO END. AND WE'RE GOING TO START PULLING FROM GENERAL FUND. THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I DEFINITELY RESPECT THE WHOLE GRANT THING. MR. PRESIDENT, IF THIS IS GETTING TOO MUCH I RECOMMEND TABLING THE BILL. I'M NOT SAYING DO IT RIGHT NOW, BUT WITH THE NEXT FEW AMENDMENTS, WE'RE GOING TO BE RUNNING INTO THE SAME PROBLEM. I THINK THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO CONSIDER HOW MUCH WE -- >>COUN. LEWIS: MOTION IS FOR A DO PASS. SECONDED. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'M OPEN TO THE SUGGESTION THAT CAME FROM COUNCILOR PEÑA. TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AT LEAST MAINTAIN THE AQUATICS. HOW WOULD IT WORK? IF WE DELETED THE 340 GOING TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BECAUSE I GUESS WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO PROVIDE VOUCHERS FOR PEOPLE IN NEED IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND INSTEAD OF A $2 PER ROUND INCREASE IT COULD BE A $1 PER ROUND INCREASE WHICH WOULD FUND THE AQUATIC CENTER OR THE AQUATICS PROGRAM INCREASE THAT WAS ACCIDENTLY LEFT OUT. >>COUN. LEWIS: MAKING A -- MOTION TO MAKE A MOTION? >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I'M LOOKING FOR -- I'M SORRY. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR PEÑA. COUNCILOR PEÑA SAID SHE WOULD SECOND THAT. IS THERE A MOTION? >> EXCUSE ME, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ WAS THE SECOND. HE WOULD HAVE TO AGREE. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I HAVE -- >>COUN. LEWIS: THERE'S NOT BEEN A MOTION. JUST DISCUSSION ON THE FLOOR. DO PASS OF ITEM FOUR. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: A LITTLE BIT OF DISCUSSION I HAD WAS I WANTED TO KNOW HOW MUCH DO WE GIVE OUT IN SWIMMING PASSES EVERY YEAR FOR THE KIDS? HOW MANY SWIMMING PASSES DO WE GIVE OUT EVERY SINGLE YEAR FOR THE KIDS? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I BELIEVE DIRECTOR SIMON IS ON ZOOM. AND WOULD POTENTIALLY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION. I KNOW WE HAVE WAYS FOR INDIVIDUALS TO RECEIVE SUPPORT RELATED TO MANY OF OUR ADMISSION FEES IF THEY HAVE RECEIVED OTHER SERVICES. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE DIRECTOR SIMON TO GIVE YOU THE BETTER ANSWER. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: IS DIRECTOR SIMON ON? >> YES. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: DIRECTOR SIMON, HOW MANY SWIMMING PASSES DOES THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE GIVE OUT? I KNOW I GIVE OUT HUNDREDS OF SWIMMING PASSES EVERY SINGLE YEAR. AND I'M GIVEN A VERY LARGE STACK OF SWIMMING PASSES, BUT EVERY NOW AND THEN, I DON'T GIVE THEM ALL OUT. HOW MANY SWIMMING PASSES ARE GIVEN OUT OR PRODUCED AND HOW MANY OF THOSE SWIMMING PASSES ARE ACTUALLY USED? I'M JUST THINKING WE CAN FIND A BETTER WAY TO UTILIZE THE SWIMMING PASSES BY PUTTING THEM AT THE SWIMMING POOL SO EVERY SINGLE SWIMMING PASS THAT WE PRODUCE GETS USED. >> YES, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I DO NOT HAVE THE EXACT AMOUNT OF FREE SWIM PASSES THAT WE ARE PRODUCING THIS YEAR AVAILABLE TO ME RIGHT NOW. I BELIEVE IF MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT, IT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF ABOUT 25,000. WE AGGRESSIVELY DISTRIBUTE THEM. AS BEST AS WE CAN. UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE DATA FOR YOU, SIR, ON THE REDEMPTION RATE ON THOSE. I'D BE HAPPY TO TRY TO PROVIDE IT FOR YOU. WE DO BELIEVE STRONGLY IN GETTING THE SWIM PASS VOUCHERS OUT THROUGH COMMUNITY CENTERS OR ORGANIZATIONS AND COUNCIL OFFICE AND COMMUNITY-ORIENTED ORGANIZATIONS. WE WANT THEM TO BE UTILIZED. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: MR. PRESIDENT, ONE MORE QUESTION. WE HAVE 45,000 SWIM PASSES THAT ARE PRODUCED, HOW MUCH VALUE IS THAT GIVEN TO THE COMMUNITY IF WE WERE TO GET IT ALL OUT? CAN SOMEBODY DO THE MATH? >> WELL, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, THE VALUE OF AN ENTRANCE TO A CITY POOL DOES VARY BASED ON THE FARE. JUST SAY FOR A TYPICAL CHILD, YOU CAN DESCRIBE A VALUE OF $1.50 TO THE SWIM PASS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: IF WE MADE SURE EVERY SWIM PASS THAT WE CREATE IS REDEEMED, YOU'RE LOOKING ADD PROBABLY CLOSE TO $50-60,000, MAYBE? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT, BUT CLOSE. YEAH. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I THINK WE SHOULD FIND A WAY TO MAKE SURE EVERY SWIM PASS THAT WE CREATE IS REDEEMED. SO THERE'S NONE LEFTOVER. THAT WOULD ACTUALLY HELP THIS PROJECT AS WELL. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT, COUNCILORS. A LOT OF IDEAS. WE NEED A MOTION. COUNCILOR ROGERS. SDMRR THANK YOU . >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST WANT A LEVEL SET. WE JUST HEARD FROM DIRECTOR RAMIREZ THAT WE CAN'T GET THE VOUCHERS OUT FAST ENOUGH BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PLACES ACCEPTING THE VOUCHERS. WE ALSO HEARD THERE'S $16 MILLION REVERTED BACK FROM VOUCHERS. TO ME IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE NEED MORE FUNDING FROM VOUCHERS. WE CAN'T EVEN GET THE MONEY OUT WE HAVE VOUCHERS. WE'RE DOING THIS FOR THE NEXT AMENDMENTS. TO ALL GO TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT THE DEPARTMENT JUST TOLD US THEY CANNOT SPEND. TRUST ME I'M AN ADVOCATE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I'M ALWAYS ASKING ABOUT WHERE IS THE MONEY AND WHY CAN'T WE SPEND IT AND REPURSE IT, AND ALWAYS HEARING WE CAN'T DO THAT. I PROPOSE WE JUST DON'T GIVE ANY MONEY RIGHT NOW TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING SPECIFICALLY. AND I DO AGREE WITH GETTING RID OF THE POOL FEES. I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP THAT PART OF THE MOTION TO GET RID OF THE POOL FEES ALTOGETHER. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY TO ALLOT FOR THAT FUNDING? IS THAT THE QUESTION? FOR THE POOL FEES. >>COUN. LEWIS: WHO IS THE QUESTION FOR? >>COUN. ROGERS: WHOEVER CAN HELP ME UNDERSTAND? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, A $1 INCREASE TO GOLF GREENS FEES WOULD GENERATE HALF OF THE $516,000. DOING THE MATH THAT WOULD BE $258,000. THAT COVERS THE $176,000 FOR AQUATICS FEE INCREASE AND LEAVES FUNDING FOR THE GENERAL FUND OR FUND BALANCE. >>COUN. LEWIS: FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR. MOVED AND SECONDED FOR A DO PASS. WE'LL GO TO COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN TO CLOSE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MR. CHAIR, I MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR. I'D LIKE TO DELETE ONE AND TWO OF THE PROPOSAL AND ON NUMBER THREE CHANGE $2 TO $1. AGAIN, THIS WOULD KEEP US THE ABILITY TO REDUCE THE FEE INCREASES FOR THE SWIMMING POOLS AND THE AQUATICS PROGRAM BY INCREASING GOLF ROUNDS BY $1. I WILL REAL QUICKLY JUST REMIND FOLKS THAT OUR GOLF COURSES ARE $26 FOR GREEN FEE FOR THE WEEKDAY, COMPARED TO $38 FOR PARADISE HILLS, $59 FOR SANTA ANA, 74 THERE FOR TWIN WARRIOR. $62 FOR ISLETA. 82 OR $90 FOR SANDIA. AND PACO IS $225. ALL WE'RE SAYING IS WE'RE GOING TO TAKE $26 TO $27 TO PAY FOR CHILDREN'S ACCESS TO THE AQUATIC CENTER. I WOULD MOVE THAT AMENDMENT TO FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. >>COUN. LEWIS: THAT AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT? >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, I JUST NEED A CLARIFYING QUESTION. PARLIAMENTARY WISE, DOES THE -- DOES COUNCILOR SANCHEZ HAVE TO SECOND THE MOTION? NO? OKAY. THEN DO WE HAVE TO PUT THE REST INTO THE FUND BALANCE? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT LEWIS, COUNCILOR PEÑA, WE DON'T HAVE ANY IDENTIFIED FUNDING SOURCE FOR THE BALANCE BETWEEN THE 258 AND 176. I DEFER TO CFO. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE WOULD BE A BALANCE. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COW CHAIR, YES, ANY BALANCE FROM THE DIFFERENCE WOULD GO TO FUND BALANCE. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT. WHAT'S ON THE FLOOR IS AN AMENDMENT TO AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR. MOVED AND SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT? COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE IT RIGHT AND THAT YOU HAVE IT RIGHT. PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT WE JUST WENT OVER. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT LEWIS, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR WOULD BE STRIKE LINE NUMBER ONE, STRIKE NUMBER TWO, NUMBER THREE BECOMES NUMBER ONE. ON PAGE FIVE, AFTER LINE 21 INSERT THE FOLLOWING. THE PROPOSED FEE INCREASE IN AQUATICS IS ELIMINATED AND SHALL BE OFFSET WITH THE BALANCE OF THE REVENUE GENERATED FROM A GOLF FEE INCREASE OF $1 PER ROUND. . >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? WE'LL GO TO FINAL VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. THAT PASSES ON AN 8-1. WE'RE NOW BACK ON THE AMENDMENT AS AMENDED. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. AGAIN, WE HAVE TAKEN OUT ALL REFERENCE TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE WILL NOT BE PROVIDING ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR VOUCHERS BUT WE'LL MAINTAIN AQUATIC FEES FOR CHILDREN TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS POOLS THIS SUMMER. WE'RE INCREASING FEES FOR GOLFERS BY $1. I REALLY DO FEEL THAT IS A VERY FAIR PROPOSAL. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. LEWIS: DISCUSSION IS CLOSED. IT'S MOVED AND SECONDED. THIS AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR AS AMENDED. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. PASSES ON AN 8-1. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ITEM E. THIS IS FLOOR AMENDMENT E. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I KNOW HOW THIS IS GOING TO GO. I'M GOING TO DO IT ANYWAY. I MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE. PAGE POWER, LINE 12 ENTITLED AFFORDABLE HOUSING INCREASE THE AMOUNT BY $480,000. ON PAGE FOUR INSERT THE FOLLOWING AFTER LINE 12, THIS INCREASE SHALL BE APPROPRIATED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING VOUCHERS CORRESPONDING TO THE REVENUE GENERATED BY THE BIO PARK FEE INCREASE OF $2 PER IN STATE ADULT INCLUDING ZOO ADMISSIONS AND GARDEN ADMISSION. THE EXPLANATION IS NUMBER ONE NO MATTER WHAT WE SAY AND NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES STAFF TELLS US THEY CAN'T SPEND THE HOUSING VOUCHER WE HAVE, WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY ASKING FOR HOUSING VOUCHERS EVERY SINGLE DAY AND BEING TOLD THERE ARE NONE LEFT. THIS IS NOT OKAY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN SAY, WELL WE DIDN'T DO IT THIS YEAR SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE MONEY IN THE FUTURE. WE'RE GOING TO LET PEOPLE WHO ARE PRECARIOUSLY HOUSED BECOME UNHOUSED. WE'RE GOING TO SEE MORE PEOPLE EVERY SINGLE DAY ON THE STREETS. AND FROM WHAT I HEAR EVERYONE SAY ALL THE TIME IS WE WANT TO SEE LESS PEOPLE ON THE STREETS. SO IF THE SIGHT OF UNHOUSED PEOPLE IS UP SETTING LET'S DO SOMETHING TO KEEP THEM HOUSED. AFFORDABLE HOUSING VOUCHERS ARE A REALLY GOOD WAY TO DO THAT. I'M VERY, VERY STAFF HAS NOT FIGURED THIS OUT. THEY HAVE NOT COME UP WITH A WAY TO GET OUT THESE MONIES SET ASIDE BY THE COUNCIL OUT TO THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE. IT IS NOT OKAY. AND IT IS NOT OKAY TO GIVE UP AND SAY IT WAS HARD SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO NOT PUT THIS IN THE BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR. I FEEL LIKE IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WE MAXMIZE THE HOUSING VOUCHERS, IF WE CAN'T DO THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE MONEY TO SPEND ON UNHOUSED NEXT YEAR. WITH THAT, THIS PROPOSAL INCREASES THE BIO PARK FEES FOR IN-STATE ADULT ONLY, WE DID NOT DO CHILDREN, AND I DID THIS TODAY BECAUSE JULIE WITH THE BIO PARK SOCIETY REACHED OUT TODAY TO SAY, AND I WILL READ A LITTLE BIT OF THE LETTER. WE HOPE YOU WILL ALSO CONSIDER SUPPORTING A GATE FEE INYES RESIDENT AND OUT OF STATE VISITORS TO THE BIO PARK. WE KNOW IT RUNS AT $18 MILLION ANNUALLY AND THE CITY COLLECTS $4.8 MILLION IN GATE FEES. IT'S SEVEN YEARS SINCE THE BIO PARK INCREASED GATE FEES. PARK ONLY INCREASED ENTRANCE RATES FOR ADULTS BY A TOTAL OF $3 SINCE 2002, YET THE COST OF MAINTAINING THE FACILITY HAS WENT UP OVER THE YEARS. IT GOES ON. EVERYBODY KNOWS I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THE BIO PARK. WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY AND ATTENTION ON THAT FACILITY. AND RAISING THE GATE FEES TO SOMETHING THAT ARE REASONABLE IN THE MINDS OF NOT ONLY THE STAFF WHO RUN THE CITY DEPARTMENT OF ARTS AND CULTURE BUT ALSO THE BIO PARK SOCIETY AND HAVING THOSE FUNDS GO TO HELP OUR MOST DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITY MEMBERS STAY HOUSED, I THINK IT'S A REALLY GREAT IDEA. AND WITH THAT, I MOVE A DO PASS ON FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR BASSAN. COUNCILORS, ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? THIS FEE INCREASE DOES NOT GO TO THE ZOO. THE DIRECTOR MADE A CASE FOR RAISING FEES AND THE CASE WAS ABOUT FEEDING ANIMAL AND PAYING FOR THE ZOO. BUT THIS SPECIFIC AMENDMENT DOES NOT GO FEED ANIMALS OR PAY FOR THE ZOO? ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? MOVED AND SECONDED. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. THAT FAILS. I DON'T KNOW. GET THAT COUNT. MOTION FAILED. DO IT AGAIN. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION FAILS WITH A 5-4. OKAY THANKS. ITEM F. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I WILL NOT BE MOVING THIS ONE. I WILL TAKE A MOMENT TO SAY, YET AGAIN, WE'RE CHOOSING TO NOT RAISE FEES ON THINGS PEOPLE CAN AFFORD TO PAY FOR AT THE EXPENSE OF TAKING CARE OF THE MOST DISADVANTAGED NEIGHBORS AND WE'RE CREATING. >>COUN. LEWIS: YOU HAVE TO MOVE SOMETHING. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I WILL NOT MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS? ONE AMENDMENT. THIS AMENDMENT SHOULD BE IN YOUR PACKET. IT DOESN'T HAVE A LETTER. WE'LL CALL IT AMENDMENT FIVE, RIGHT? AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE BECAUSE -- >> NUMBER SIX. >>COUN. LEWIS: FOR THE RECORD, COUNCILOR GROUT WAS CORRECT. IT WAS SIX. ALL RIGHT. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX. COUNCILORS, I'M GOING TO READ THIS. I WANT TO READ IT INTO THE RECORD. LET ME GIVE YOU THE EXPLANATION. IT'S AN AMENDMENT THAT REAPPROPRIATE FUNDS FROM THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS IN THE CAO'S DEPARTMENT TO CREATE TRANSPARENCY TO DO WHAT WE HAD IN OUR DISCUSSION EARLIER REGARDING THE ORG CHART. PAGE TWO LINE 22 ENTITLED CAO INCREASE THE AMOUNT BY 3.538. PAGE THREE, LINE 11 ENTITLED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DECREASE THE AMOUNT BY $106,000. ON PAGE 3 LINE 28 ENTITLED STRATEGIC SUPPORT DECREASE THE AMOUNT BY 416. ON PAGE FOUR, DECREASE BY $479,000 ON PAGE FEWER LINE 29 DECREASE THE AMOUNT BY $1.1 MILLION. ON PAGE FIVE, INCREASE THE AMOUNT BY $96,000. PAGE SIX LINE 11 DECREASE THE AMOUNT BY $540,000. PAGE SIX, INCREASE THE AMOUNT BY $120,000. PAGE SIX LINE 19 ENTITLED CITIZEN SERVICES DECREASE THE AMOUNT BY $213,000. ON PAGE SIX LINE 21 DECREASE THE AMOUNT BY $218,000. PAGE SIX LINE 27 ENTITLED EDUCATION INITIATIVES DECREASE THE AMOUNT BY 119THEN,000. ON ENTITLED -- I MOVE A DO PASS. MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. COUNCILORS DISCUSSION. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WONDERED IF DR. SENGEL CAN ANSWER A QUESTION FOR ME ON THIS. DOES THIS HURT ANYTHING ABOUT THE WORK YOU DO? IT FEELS LIKE THIS IS JUST TRANSPARENCY AROUND WHERE THE FUNDS ARE REALLY BEING CENTERED. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR RESPONSE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, IF IT'S THE WILL AND INTEREST OF CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE THIS FEES ADJUSTMENTS, IT IS -- IT DOES NOT CHANGE HOW WE WILL DO OUR WORK. WE WILL CONTINUE TO HAVE ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS WE'VE IDENTIFIED TO CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS WE BELIEVE THEY -- WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED FROM, FUNDED FROM. IT WILL BE A CONTINUED REQUIREMENT FOR ALL OF THE POSITIONS TO CONTINUE TO WORK ACROSS THE CITY WITH COLLABORATION OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS. TO ME, THIS IS A TECHNICAL REDISTRIBUTION AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE DID CHECK THROUGH IT AND MAKE SURE IT MATCHED. JUST BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE DIDN'T MISS ANYTHING AND MAKE SURE WE DID SPEAK OF ANYTHING THAT WAS A CONCERN. THE ONLY ITEM I MENTION BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET THROUGH IT AS FAST AS I WOULD HAVE HOPED IS MAKE SURE THAT THE ONE POSITION THAT WE IDENTIFIED EARLIER IN OUR DISCUSSION WHICH WAS RELATED TO APD AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THAT -- THERE'S A CHANGE TO THAT POSITIO -- >>COUN. LEWIS: HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT POSITION IN THIS AMENDMENT? STRATEGIC SUPPORT? >> COUNCILOR LEWIS, IT'S THE 99,000 WITHIN -- ON NUMBER SIX, LINE FIVE. PAGE FIVE LINE 27 ENTITLED STRATEGIC SUPPORT. I'M SORRY, NUMBER SEVEN, PAGE SIX LINE 11 ENTITLED PROFESSIONAL ACCOUNTABILITY IT'S WITHIN THAT $540,000. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WITH THE AMENDMENT DOES IT MOVE THE FUNDING TO THOSE TO CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER, ARE YOU ALSO MOVING THE POSITION IN THE HR SYSTEM OVER TO THE OFFICE? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, WITH THIS WE WOULD HAVE TO MOVE THOSE POSITIONS TO ALIGN WHERE THEIR FUNDING IS. THE BOXES FOLLOW IN ALL OF THE SYSTEMS THEY FOLLOW WHERE THE FUNDING SOURCE IS. >>COUN. ROGERS: MR. PRESIDENT, ARE ALL OF THE POSITIONS WITHIN THE CORRECT JOB DESCRIPTION? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, ALL OF THE POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE -- WELL, LET ME REPHRASE THIS. THROUGH THE STUDY, ONE OF THE BEST THINGS THAT'S GOING TO COME OUT OF THAT IS WE'RE WORKING TOWARD DRIPS OPIDATES MAKING SURE IT ALLOWS THUS OPPORTUNITY TO ENSURE WE HAVE CLEAR JOB DESCRIPTIONS. SO THAT WORK OBVIOUSLY HAS TO HAPPEN ACROSS THE CITY AS WE DO THE CLASS AND COMP. IT'S A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, VERY MUCH. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I'M JUST CURIOUS ON SOMETHING YOU ADVISED. YOU TOLD ME EARLIER THAT THE POSITIONS WERE UNDERNEATH ONE THING BUT PAID FOR BY THE OTHER. BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE THE POSITIONS BECAUSE THE FUNDING IS SOMEWHERE ELSE NOW? HOW IS IT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I WAS SPEAKING WITH COUNCILOR ROGERS AROUND THE TECHNICAL OF HOW IT WORKS IN THE SYSTEM. WHAT YOU'RE SAYING -- WHAT I SAID EARLIER IS ACCURATE. IF WE'RE MOVING A FUNDING OUT OF THE DEPARTMENT INTO THE CAO'S CHIEF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE, WITHIN OUR SYSTEMS WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS WHICH IS WHAT COUNCILOR ROGERS WAS ASKING. DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE FUNDING AS IF -- I'M SORRY, AS IT'S LOADED INTO THE SYSTEM AND INTO PEOPLE SOFT WHICH IS OUR SYSTEM, THAT WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN. I WAS SPEAKING TO THE TECHNICAL SIDE OF THE HOUSE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: OTHER DISCUSSION? AMENDMENT IS MOVED AND SECONDED. THOSE IN FIVE SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE, OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'LL GO BACK TO COUNCILOR PEÑA ON THE BILL AS AMENDED. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'M GOING TO SAY -- I'M GOING TO START WHERE I LEFT OFF LAST WEEK. JUST TO SAY THAT I WAS REALLY PROUD OF THIS BUDGET. I WAS REALLY PROUD OF THE OBJECTIVE BUDGET IN PARTICULAR. AND YOU KNOW, I GUESS I'LL START WITH THE BUDGET STAFF AGAIN. BUDGET STAFF DID AN INCREDIBLE JOB. I WAS SO PROUD OF THEM AND ALL THE WORK THEY DID. AND JUST WORKING ODD HOURS ALL WEEKEND THIS WEEKEND. I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS. ALL THE COUNCIL STAFF. BECAUSE EVERYBODY, AGAIN, I'M GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING. IT TAKES A VILLAGE. AND OF COURSE TO THE ADMINISTRATION -- THE BUDGET STAFF, YOU DID A PHENOMENAL JOB. LAST TIME I ONLY GAVE CREDIT TO LAWRENCE DAVIS, BUT I WAS REALLY, REALLY DISAPPOINTED TO SEE WHAT HAD HAPPENED AFTER THE BUDGET. IT WAS SO DISHEARTENING BECAUSE THIS WAS -- I'VE BEEN THROUGH A LOT OF BUDGETS OVER THE YEARS, AND THE FACT THAT THIS BUDGET -- I JUST SAID THAT WE CAME UP AND HAD VERY LITTLE MONEY TO PLAY WITH. WE HAD A $1.4 BILLION BUDGET THAT WAS SENT DOWN FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. OF THAT, IT WAS LEFT IN THERE $5 MILLION AND ODD CHANGE FOR THE FUND BALANCE. AND IN THAT FUND BALANCE, OUT OF THE $5 MILLION, ONE OF IT WAS TO REMAIN IN THE FUND BALANCE AND WE HAD $4 MILLION LEFT AND THE MAYOR PUT OUT A MEMO SAYING WE LEFT $4 MILLION IN THERE FOR CITY COUNCIL. BUT THEN THERE WAS TWO FIXES. ONE OF THEM WAS AN ERROR OF A MILLION. THAT LEFT $3 MILLION. AND ANOTHER MILLION TO PIX THE BIO PARK BECAUSE THE MAYOR SENT AN AMENDMENT SAYING HE WAS GOING TO FIX THAT. I DISAGREED THAT HE COULD CORRECT THE BUDGET. ONLY PEOPLE THAT COULD CORRECT THE BUDGET AT THAT POINT WAS THIS BODY. WITH THAT, THAT LEFT $2 MILLION IN THE FUND BALANCE FOR US TO WORK WITH. YOU KNOW, MAKING THOSE CHANGES AND LOOKING AT ALL THE NEED FOR THE COUNCILORS AND THEIR DISTRICTS, IT WAS REALLY CHALLENGING. SO WE HAD THE FIRST BUDGET HEARING, AND REALLY TAKING A DEEP DIVE AND LOOKING AT THE GRT AND HOW LOW IT WAS. I WANT TO SAY THAT WE COULD HAVE ACTUALLY INCREASED THE GRT BY A BIT. THAT GAVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE COUNCIL. AGAIN, BEING ON BUDGET BEFORE AND GOING THROUGH THE BUDGET EXPERIENCE IT TURNS INTO COUNCILORS HAVE THESE NEEDS. AND WE END UP TRYING TO DIVVY IT UP AMONG OURSELVES. AND THIS REALLY GAVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE COUNCILORS BECAUSE WE'RE THE FIRST POINT OF CONTACT FOR THE CONSTITUENTS IN EACH OF THE DISTRICTS. AND WE'RE THE ONES THAT HEAR FIRST AND FOREMOST WHAT THE NEEDS ARE WHETHER IT'S A STOP SIGN, WHATEVER -- I HAVE ONE OF MY CONSTITUENTS HERE, THERE'S SO MANY NEEDS TOO AROUND. I KNOW THE ADMINISTRATION PRIORITIZES SOME OF THEIR NEEDS, BUT FOR US, I SAID THERE'S THIS $1.4 BILLION BUDGET. WE ENDED UP WITH A SLIVER. MY OBJECTIVE THIS YEAR WAS TO WORK WITH THE COUNCILORS TO GET WHAT THEY NEEDED IN. AND I SAID, ONCE WE WENT TO THE FINAL ADJUSTMENT, THEN I LOOKED AT THE BUDGET AND THERE WAS STILL A LITTLE BIT OF A VOID. SO, I DID WHAT WE DON'T USUALLY DO, I REACHED OUT TO THE ADMINISTRATION AND SAID LET'S FIGURE OUT THIS GAP SO WE CAN ALSO LET THE MAYOR BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH HIS GOALS AND WHAT HE NEEDED TO GET ACCOMPLISHED WITHOUT DOING IT TIT FOR TAT. WE DID THAT. I WAS VERY PROUD OF THAT. AND YOU KNOW WE CAME TO THE BUDGET COMMITTEE THE OTHER DAY. THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE, AND EVERYBODY CONGRATULATED EVERYBODY, WE DID SIMILAR TO WHAT I'M DOING NOW. AND THEN TO HEAR -- TO GET THE CALL THAT, YOU KNOW, REPORTERS WERE CALLING BECAUSE WE CUT HHH, WHICH IS SO DISAPPOINTING. AND TO READ THE ARTICLES, I STAND BY THE BUDGET IF THERE'S ANY ERRORS IN IT, YOU KNOW, BUDGET STAFF DID AWESOME. WE ALL HAD HICCUPS. BUT I'M THE BUDGET CHAIR. I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE BUDGET. YOU KNOW, KNOWING THAT ALL THIS HAPPENED AND JUST TO SEE THAT WHEN WE GO TO THE ARTICLE WHERE WE HAVE A SPOKESPERSON FOR HHH SAYING THEY DIDN'T FIND OUT ABOUT THE BUDGET CHANGES UNTIL FRIDAY, THAT'S INACCURATE. YOU GET THE BUDGET ON WEDNESDAY AT 4 O'CLOCK WHICH IS THE DEADLINE, AND YOU GUYS RECEIVED IT AND THAT WAS AMPLE TIME FOR WHEN WE CAME BACK TO THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING TO BE ABLE TO RELAY CONCERNS. THEN, THE ARTICLE GOES ON TO SAY THAT WE HAVE DAMON ELI SAID THIS IS VERY DANGEROUS. ALL THESE INSINUATIONS THAT WE JUST CUT HHH AND AS WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER THAT WE TOOK FROM A TO BE DETERMINED CONTRACT. THERE WAS NO NOTATION IT BELONGED TO ANY CONTRACTS THAT HAD BEEN RFP'd. NOTIFYING THE COMMUNITY SKWU LARM -- AND ALARMING THEM. I TOOK CALLS UNTIL 11 O'CLOCK ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. AND THAT'S OKAY, THAT'S MY JOB. THERE'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FUNDS THAT TO BE DETERMINED, WE HAVE ALL THE HHH ONES UNDER THE CBDG, ARPA, ALL THIS AND WE DID NOT TOUCH THAT. WHAT WE TOUCHED IS THE TO BE DETERMINED FUNDS THAT WERE IN THE GENERAL FUND. AND THAT TOTALLED -- AND THEN THE ARTICLE GOES ON TO SAY THAT WE CUT YOU BY $2 MILLION, WHEN IN ALL REALITY WE DID THE CORRECT AMENDMENT THAT WAS 455 FOR FOUR PROJECTS THAT DID HAVE SOME CONTACTS THAT UNKNOWING TO US WERE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING EXECUTED. I IF RECEIVED A PHONE CALL TO SAY THIS ON FRIDAY RATHER THAN DO ALL THIS, WE COULD HAVE MADE THAT REALLY SMALL ADJUSTMENT WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS. AND THEN IT ALSO SAYS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME STAFF -- THE SPOKESPERSON SAYING THAT WE'RE CUTTING THE WEHC. WE HAD SOMEBODY TALK ABOUT THE WEHC. WE HAD NO CUTS TO THE WEHC. AGAIN, JUST SEEING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PR THINGS OF JUST REALLY GOING OUT AND JUST DOING WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR THE ADMINISTRATION ON THE BACKS OF ALL OF THE COUNCILORS THAT WORKED REALLY HARD TO MAKE THIS BUDGET REALLY WELL AND ALL THE BUDGET STAFF THAT WORKED REALLY HARD TO TRY TO DO THE RIGHT THING. I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY UNFORTUNATE. I'M GLAD THAT WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK. I'M GLAD THAT I ASKED THE QUESTIONS AND YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS ACCURATELY, IN TERMS OF WHAT'S OCCURRED. THE CUTS THAT WE MADE WERE FROM TO BE DETERMINED CONTRACTS. WE MADE THE ADJUSTMENT. AGAIN, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY I'M REALLY PROUD OF THE WORK OF THE COUNCIL AND PROUD OF OUR STAFF. YOUR STAFF TOO. I HOPE THAT THERE WASN'T ANY KIND OF REPERCUSSIONS FROM OUR BUDGET STAFF FOR SOME OF THE ERRORS BECAUSE I WAS ALL HAPPY. I WAS READY TO EAT MY ICE CREAM SANDWICH ON FRIDAY. I DIDN'T HAPPEN THAT WAY. ANYWAY, WITH THAT, I WOULD JUST URGE YOUR SUPPORT. I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD BUDGET. I THINK WE WORKED REALLY HARD TO GET IT. THANK YOU, GUYS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT. R-36, COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE. WE'LL GO TO A FINAL VOTE. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. PASSES ON AN 8-1. CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU, COUNCILOR PEÑA, OUR COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE CHAIR AND EVERYBODY THAT DID SO MUCH WORK ON THAT BUDGET. INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF WORK ALONG WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND STAFF. CERTAINLY OUR STAFF DID INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF WORK TO GET THAT TOGETHER. THANK YOU, ALL. WE'RE NEXT ON R-40. COUNCILOR PEÑA. >> MOMENT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST WANT TO SAY AS A NEWLY EELECTED COUNCILOR THIS LAST FIVE MONTHS, FOR THE FLEE OF US, THANK YOU, COUNCILOR PEÑA. YOU -- ANY TIME I HAD QUESTIONS AND I ASSUME FOR THE REST OF THEM WHEN WE REACHED OUT TO OTHER COUNCILORS THEY WERE GENEROUS AND HELPFUL THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE LEARNING PROCESS. I APPRECIATE IT. ON BEHALF OF THE NEW COUNCILORS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR PEÑA. R-40. >>COUN. PEÑA: I DIDN'T HEAR YOU. I WAS READY TO LEAVE. BUT WE STILL HAVE A WHOLE AGENDA STILL. R-40 IS COMMITTEE SUB ESTABLISHING ONE-YEAR OBJECTIVE FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE IN FISCAL YEAR 2025 TO MEET FIVE-YEAR GOALS. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO DO THIS -- I'M GOING TO TRY. OKAY. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN HAS SECONDED. R-40. I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE SOME FLOOR AMENDMENTS. LET'S SEE, HERE. FLOOR AMENDMENTS ARE IN THE iPADS. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I'M GOING TO MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE, WHICH IS ON PAGE THREE AFTER LINE 31 INSERT THE NEW OBJECTIVES. SUPPORT THE CREATION OF A JOINT CITY-COUNTY PLAN FOR THE USE OFOPE YOU'DIOID OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUND. AND SUBSEQUENT OBJECTIVES. THE EXPLANATION FOR THIS IS THIS BODY DID PASS LEGISLATION THAT I WORKED ON WITH COUNCILOR GROUT AND COUNCILOR BASSAN REQUESTING THAT JOINT PLAN. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S INCLUDED IN THIS OBJECTIVES LIST SO THAT STAFF AND THE ADMINISTRATION REMEMBERS THAT IS A PRIORITY FOR THIS COUNCIL. IT DID PASS 8-1. I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S INCLUDED. WITH THAT, I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. GROUT: ANY DISCUSSION? >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, AS COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN KNOWS, THANK YOUING FOR TAKING THESE TWO OUT OF THE OBJECTIVES. I TRIED TO INCLUDE EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE THINGS I DIDN'T LIKE. ANYWAY, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I REALLY APPRECIATE THIS. I GUESS, JUST LOOKING AT THE OPIOID FUND, JUST GOING THROUGH THIS WHOLE PROCESS WHEN WE FILED THE LAWSUIT A LONG TIME AGO, I PUT OUT THE RESOLUTION TO THE BODY FOR SUE. AND THE SETTLEMENT FUNDS HAVE COME IN. I REALLY JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THESE MONIES AS QUICKLY AS WE POSSIBLY CAN. I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT. I THINK THE OTHER ONE I CAN. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT, CAN YOU TELL US, OR STAFF OR SOMEBODY, TELL US WHERE WE ARE AT. DID WE ALREADY CREATE THE JOINT PLAN? OR COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, IF THAT'S OKAY, WITH YOU, MR. PRESIDENT? >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. COUNCILOR BASSAN, THE PLAN IS BEING DEVELOPED RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE A WORKING GROUP THAT IS WORKING WITH THE COUNTY. THEY'RE MEETING THIS WEEK AND THEY EXPECT TO HAVE THE FINAL PLAN READY THIS FALL. THAT IS WHY I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE PUT IN THERE'S MOVEMENT ON THIS AND START IMPLEMENTATION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND WE HAVE THAT IN THE ORIGINAL BILL. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, I JUST I GUESS I STRUGGLE WITH THIS THOUGHT -- I'M SUPPORTING IT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I STRUGGLE WITH IT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE SEEN SOME OF THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES WITH SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WITH WANTING TO USE OPIOID FUNDING. BEING THAT IT'S ALMOST DONE, I HOPE, YOU KNOW I JUST WANT TO USE THE FUNDS. AND I WANT TO USE THEM FOR THE RIGHT PURPOSE. I DON'T WANT TO WAIT FOR TOO MANY DIFFERENT STUDIES OR COMMITTEES OR PLANS OR MEETINGS TO HAPPEN IN ORDER TO DO SO. I GUESS I'M REALLY HOPING FOR THIS TO COME TO FRUITION BEGINNING OF FY25. >>COUN. GROUT: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF FLOOR AMENDMENT ONE, RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED? THAT PASSES ON A 5-4. MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: WE'LL GO TO ITEM B. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU WHERE MR. PRESIDENT. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. PAGE EIGHT, ADJUST OBJECTIVES AS FOLLOWS. DELETE THE LINE THAT SAYS IDENTIFY ALTERNATIVE RECYCLING OPPORTUNITIES SUCH AS USING PLASTIC FOR FUEL AND REPLACE IT WITH IDENTIFYING AND RESEARCH ADDITIONAL RECYCLING OPPORTUNITIES INCLUDING TO GAS AND FIBERGLASS BENEFICIAL TO GOATS SET FORTH. THE EXPLANATION IS CLARIFIES IT ADDS MORE FOR STAFF TO DO RESEARCH. WITH THAT, I MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR GROUT. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I'M WONDERING IF COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN WOULD BE WILLING TO TURN THE WORD GAS INTO FUEL. BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE SEEN AND WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS FIVE DIFFERENT TYPES OF FUEL THAT PLASTIC CAN ME -- BE TURNED INTO. I DON'T WANT IT TO BE A LIMITED UNDERSTANDING OF GASOLINE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I'M FINE WITH THAT. I THINK IT'S THE SAME, BUT I'M HAPPY TO MAKE THE CLARIFICATION. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. I WOULD JUST HATE TO LIMIT US IN THE FUTURE IF WE COULD OTHERWISE USE KEROSENE AND PETROLEUM AND COKE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: AGAIN, THAT IS THE REPLACEMENT OF THE WORD GAS WITH FUEL IN THE RED LINE. >>COUN. LEWIS: CAN WE JUST MAKE THOSE CHANGES FRIENDLY AMENDMENT WITHOUT DOING A MOTION? OKAY. THAT'S BEEN CHANGED. ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. MOTION AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES. ITEM C IS FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. ON PAGE THREE AFTER LINE 31 INSERT THE FOLLOWING NEW OBJECTIVE, 16 SUPPORT AND SEEK FUNDING FOR THE MIDDLE RIO GRANDE HOUSING COLLABORATIVE TO CREATE NEW AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNIT AND RENUMBER ACCORDINGLY. THE EXPLANATION IS WE DID PASS THE LEGISLATION LAST YEAR TO CREATE THE MIDDLE RIO GRANDE HOUSING COLLABORATIVE THAT COLLABORATIVE HAS RECEIVED IT'S JOINT POWERS AGREEMENT FROM THE STATE. WE HAVE APPOINTED BOARD MEMBERS. THEY ARE WORKING TO FIND PROJECTS READY TO MOVE FORWARD ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I WOULD LIKE TO ADMINISTRATION TO BE SEEKING ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THAT GROUP SO THEY CAN MAXIMIZE THE NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS WE'RE ABLE TO CREATE IN THE COMMUNITY IN THE NEXT YEAR AND OF COURSE FOLLOWING THAT SPECIFICALLY WE CAN START MOVING ALONG ON NEW AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. WITH THAT, I MOVE A DO PASS FOR FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR GROUT. QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION? GO TO A VOTE. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. PASSES ON AN 8-1. OTHER AMENDMENTS ?AMENDMENTS ? OKAY. WE'RE BACK ON R-40. THE COMMITTEE SUBSTITUTE. COUNCILOR PEÑA TO CLOSE. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST WANT TO SAY ON THIS OBJECTIVE BILL I THINK I TOLD SOMEBODY THAT I WAS MOST PROUD OF THIS BILL PAUSE I THINK WE REALLY LOOKED AT IT THIS YEAR AND TOOK OUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE JUST REPETITIVE AND HAD BEEN IN THERE. AND WE ADDED SOME REAL STRENGTH TO IT IN TERMS OF DEADLINE AND REPORTING TO THIS BODY ON SOME OF THE INITIATIVES THAT THE CITY IS DOING SO WE CAN HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS HAPPENING AS WE PREPARE FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT. R-40. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO -- NEXT TWO ARE GRANTS. AND I THINK WE CAN MOVE THROUGH QUICKLY. R-34. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. R34 REPEALING ARTICLE NINE OF CHAPTER THREE OF THE CODE OF RESOLUTIONS AND REPLACING IT SUSTAINABILITY RESOLUTION. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOTION AND SECOND FOR DO PASS. ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER? >> YES, MR. PRESIDENT. WE HAVE TIM. >> GOOD EVENING, WITH REGARD TO THE SUSTAINABILITY INITIATIVE R-24-34, THE RESOLUTION FOCUSES CITY RESOURCES ON IMPORTANT SUSTAINABILITY AND RESILIENCY INITIATIVES. INCLUDES ENERGY EFFICIENCY, REDUCTION OF WASTE, AND IMPROVING OF INFRASTRUCTURE. AS IMPORTANTLY, IT DIRECTS THE EFFORTS TOWARD THE GREATER POPULATION OF ALBUQUERQUE. THERE IS A BENEFIT TO ALL. THIS INITIATIVE ALIGNS WITH AND BUILDS UPON THE 2021 ENERGY AND BUILDING CODES THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED BY THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO AND THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. AS A ROOFING CONTRACT ANSWER BUSINESSMAN I'VE SEEN FIRSTHAND THE OPPORTUNITIES OF SUSTAINABILITY INITIATIVES PROVIDE NOT ONLY BUSINESSES BUT THE OVERALL BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY AS LARGE. IF YOU CLIMB UPON THE ROOF OF THIS BUILDING OR MOST OTHER BUILDS ACROSS THE STATE YOU'LL FIND WHITE REFLECTIVE ROOFS. THESE ROOFS WERE ORIGINALLY PART OF THE U.S. GREEN BUILDING PROGRAM. WHITE ROOFS ARE NOW THE STANDARDS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES AND THE WORLD. THEY'RE THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE AND -- FROM EVERY ASPECT. THE BENEFITS OF PROPERTY OWNERS ARE REAPED EVERY DAY. LOWEST COST TO INSTALL, DURABILITY, SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN URBAN HEAT ISLAND. REDUCTION IN THE WASTE AND MUCH MORE. A SEEMINGLY SIMPLE POLICY INITIATIVE HAD A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. WE MUST CONTINUE TO APPLY MEANINGFUL SUSTAINABILITY PRAULSS. IT DRIVES INNOVATION AND IT BRINGS MEANINGFUL BENEFITS TO ALL OF US. I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THIS CHANGE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. WE'LL GO TO DISCUSSION AND QUESTIONS. R-34. COUNCILORS. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WANT TO THANK OUR STAFF FOR WORKING WITH ME AND TEACHING ME AND ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS. AND I THINK THAT WE CAME UP WITH SOME VERY GOOD THINGS THAT MADE ME MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS RESOLUTION. I WANT TO THANK COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN FOR OPENING UP THE RESOLUTIONS AND BRINGING THEM UP TO DATE. THE UPDATES REFLECT THE CURRENT TECHNOLOGY THAT ARE MEASURABLE. I ASKED THE ADMINISTRATION TLOOK AT THE COST-BENEFIT OF IMPLEMENTING NEW ENERGY TECHNOLOGIES. AND THE CHANGES STILL ALLOW FOR FLEXIBILITY AND EMPHASIZE SAVING THE TAXPAYER MONEY. AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE SUSTAINABILITY OFFICE TOO. I LEARNED A LOT. THANK YOU. AGAIN THANKS. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. LEWIS: R-34. MOVED AND SECONDED. I'M SORRY. R-44. R-44 IS MOVED AND SECONDED. WE ARE ON R-34. MOTION AND SECOND FOR DO PASS. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES. ITEM D IS COUNCILOR PEÑA. R-44. >>COUN. PEÑA: AUTHORIZING THE FILING OF GRANT APPLICATIONS AND GRANT AWARDS FROM ASSOCIATED GRANT AGENCY AND PROVIDING APPROPRIATION TO THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND APPROPRIATING CAPITAL FUNDS. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR BASSAN. ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON R-44. MOVED AND SECONDED. COUNCILOR PEÑA, WANT TO CLOSE? >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, THERE'S A FLOOR AMENDMENT AND ITS IN OUR iPADS. I NEED YOU TO READ IT BECAUSE I'M NOT GETTING MY AMENDMENTS ON MY iPAD. OR MAYBE COUNCILOR BACA, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. WITHOUT READING THE ENTIRE THING. LET ME DO THE EXPLANATION. YOU HAVE IT ON THE SCREEN. THE EXPLANATION IS THIS IS A FEDERAL EARMARK APPROPRIATION FOR THE PROJECT. THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT ECEO PROJECT, AND ALBUQUERQUE MUSEUM COLLECTION AND ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO AND THREE HOMELESS YOUTH CENTERS CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE FOR $1.5 MILLION. AND NUMBER TWO AND NUMBER THREE, THIS IS 2023 STATE LEGISLATURE JUNIOR BILL MONEY FOR THE ROUTE 66 VISITOR CENTER THAT BERNALILLO COUNTY TRANSFERRED TO THE CITY IN MAY OF 2024. THE FUNDING WILL REVERT BY JUNE 30, 2024 IF NOT EXTENDED. I MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. >>COUN. LEWIS: THAT'S MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR GROUT. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. COUNCILORS, DISCUSSION ON FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE? IT'S MOVED AND SECONDED. THOSE IN FAVORER SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. AND WE'LL -- BEFORE WE GO TO THE BILL AS AMENDED. WE HAVE TWO SPEAKERS. >> WE HAVE MATT FOLLOWED BY ANN MARIE. ANNA MARIE, PARDON ME. THAT CONCLUDES OUR LIST OF SPEAKERS, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT. BACK TO COUNCILOR GROUT TO CLOSE. I'M SORRY, COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. LEWIS: R-44 AS AMENDED. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. COUNCILORS, NEXT AGENDA ITEM RELATED TO THE BALLOT INITIATIVES. THERE'S LABELLED P1 THROUGH 4. AND COMPANION BILLS THAT GO ALONG WITH THEM. WE'LL GO THROUGH THESE. THERE ARE AMENDMENTS ON SEVERAL OF THESE. AND ALL OF THEM WILL BE DEFERRED TO JUNE 3rd. THIS IS A HEARING ON EACH OF THOSE TONIGHT. THEY'LL BE MOVED FIRST AND WE'LL HAVE A HEARING ON THEM AND THEN WE'LL MOVE FOR DEFERRAL. ITEM E IS P-1. ADOPTING PROPOSITION TO BE SENT TO THE VOTERS AT THE 2024 GENERAL ELECTION PROPOSING TO AMEND ARTICLE TWO REGARDING MINIMUM VOTES FOR ELECTED OFFICES AND ELECTED POSITIONS. I MOVE DO PASS. MOTION AND SECOND FROM COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? >> YES, MR. PRESIDENT. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS ILA FOLLOWED BY MASON. MASON FOLLOWED BY JOHN. JOHN FOLLOWED BY JUSTIN. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, I'M HERE REPRESENTING MYSELF AND CONSERVEIVATION VOTERS NEW MEXICO. I'M ALSO AN ALBUQUERQUE RESIDENT. A PROUD NEW BURQUENO WHO IS PROUD TO BE PART OF CIVIC LIFE HERE. WE'RE UPSET TO LEARN ABOUT THIS ANTI- DEMOCRATIC PROPOSAL. WE BELIEVE THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE ELECTED BY THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS. WE HAVE HEARD THAT THE COUNCILORS WHO WANT THIS CHANGE SAID THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, EFFICIENCY AND COSTLY RUNOFF ELECTIONS. IF THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT THOSE THINGS THEY MAY WANT TO LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES THAT DO NOT WEAKEN OUR DEMOCRACY LIKE INSTANT RUNRAUF ELECTIONS THAT COVERS ALL OF THE CONCERNS. I WOULD ASK YOU TO PLEASE OPPOSE THIS PROPOSAL. THANK YOU. >> JUSTIN FOLLOWED BY TERRY ON ZOOM. >> THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I WILL TURN TO ALSO AGREE WITH THE LAST COMMENT. I OPPOSED LOWERING THE THRESHOLD FOR WINNING AN ELECTION TO 40% OF VOTERS. THE IMPORTANCE OF MAJORITY RULE IS IMPORTANT IN OUR DEMOCRACY. I ALSO WANTED TO REITERATE THE PREVIOUS PROPOSAL FOR INSTANT RUNOFF VOTING WHICH WERE INTRODUCED TO THE COUNCIL IN 2017 THROUGH 2019. I KNOW YOU PROBABLY RECEIVED LOTS OF EXPLANATIONS OF HOW IT WORKS STEP BY STEP. IN SIMPLE TERMS, I'D LIKE TO ADVOCATE THAT YOU HAVE A SITUATION WHERE LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE CANDIDATES AND RED CHILE GETS 42%, GREEN CHILE GETS 41% AND THE REST IS SPLIT AMONG OTHER CANDIDATES RATHER THAN ACCEPTING THE 42% VICTORY, WE'D LIKE TO ASK THE OTHER 17% TO GET OVER 50%. WE ADD ANOTHER RUNOFF THAT ADDS ADDITIONAL COST. FOUR OF YOU ON THE COUNCIL WERE ELECTED IN RUNOFF AND THREE OF YOU WERE ELECTED WITH FEWER THAN IN THE GENERAL. THAT'S NOT DEMOCRATIC TO US. I GUESS I'LL -- YOU MAY BE SET ON PUTTING THIS ON THE BALLOT. WE'LL GO TO THE PEOPLE AND THE PEOPLE DECIDE. I DON'T BELIEVE VOTERS WANT THE 40% RULE BACK. I MAY BE WRONG. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU THEN, YOU MAY NOT BELIEVE VOTERS WANT THE RUNOFF BUT YOU MAY BE WRONG. AFTER THE 40% FAILS I'D LIKE YOU TO REVISIT THE RUNOFF VOTING. >> TERRY FOLLOWED BY MOLLY. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS. I AM GOING TO ECHO THE SENTIMENTS AND THE STATEMENTS OF THE PREVIOUS TWO SPEAKERS. MR. ROGERS AND THE REPRESENTATIVE FROM VOTERS ALLIANCE. THE VOTERS 13 YEARS AGO SAID THEY WANTED MAJORITY RULE TO ELECT THEIR MAYOR AND OUR COUNCILORS. AND SOMEHOW THE SPECTER OF SENDING THINGS TO THE VOTERS TO CHANGE THE CHARTER TO HOW WE DO BUSINESS EVERY TEN YEARS OR 12 YEARS JUST BECAUSE OF HOW PARTICULAR COUNCILORS BELIEVE THAT THIS DOESN'T FIT WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN IS A WASTE OF OUR TIME, OUR RESOURCES AND SYSTEM OF WHAT THE VOTERS DECIDED 14 YEARS AGO. I AGREE INSTANT RUNOFF RELECTION SITUATION CAN DEAL VERY WELL WITH ANY OF THE ISSUES THIS CHARTER AMENDMENT IS SUPPOSED TO BRING UP. YES, I THINK THAT YOU SHOULD VOTE NO AND NOT SEND IT TO THE VOTERS IN THE UPCOMING ELECTION. I DON'T THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DECIDE. THE MAJORITY VOTING RULE AS IT EXISTS RIGHT NOW IS FINE. THANK YOU. >> MOLLY FOLLOWED BY DIDI. >> THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT. I'M A RESIDENT OF CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT NINE. I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS CITY COUNCIL PROPOSAL ONE. WHICH WE KNOW SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGES ELECTIONS IN OUR CITY AND NOT FOR THE BETTER. I KNOW THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID. ALBUQUERQUE VOTERS ALREADY DETERMINED THEY WANT CANDIDATES TO WIN WITH MAJORITY OF VOTES. LET'S NOT UNDO THAT. THE COUNCIL MEMBERS BRINGING THIS FORWARD ARE ESSENTIALLY IGNORING THE FACT THAT VOTERS WERE CLEAR WHEN THEY SAID THEY WANT A MAJORITY VOTE TO WIN. ANYTHING ELESS THAN THAT WOULD BE UNDEMOCRATIC. AS I BELIEVE THE IDEA OF MAJORITY RULES IS ESSENTIAL TO DEMOCRACY AND I DON'T WANT TO SEE OUR LOCAL CITY COUNCIL GO BACKWARDS AS A COST SAVING TO OUR BUDGET. IF THIS WAS REALLY A COST SAVING PROPOSAL THERE'S OTHER OPTIONS INCLUDING RATE CHOICE VOTING WHERE THEY CHOOSE CANDIDATES AND THERE'S AN INSTANT RUNOFF. CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS IN ALBUQUERQUE HAVE SAID IN RECENT YEARS THEY WON'T SUPPORT RANK CHOICE VOTING BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IT'S TOO CONFUSING FOR VOTERS. OTHER CITIES IN NEW MEXICO AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE SUCCESSFUL ELECTIONS EVERY SEASON WITH RANK CHOICE VOTING. I'D MUCH RATHER SEE CITY COUNCIL WORK TOWARD THIS RATHER THAN UNRAVELLING WHAT VOTEVERS DECIDED UPON. THE PROCESS BEHIND THIS CHANGE IS CLOUDILY FOR THE PUBLIC. I'M GLAD THE CITY COUNCIL IS FINALLY TAKING COMMENTS AND WILL HOST MULTIPLE PUBLIC HEARINGS BEFORE THEIR VOTE. I HOPE ALL OF YOU WILL VOTE NO ON PROPOSAL ONE. THANK YOU. >> DIDI FOLLOWED BY AUSTIN. DIDI CAN YOU GO ON WITH YOUR COMMENT? WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU. GO AHEAD. THERE YOU ARE. >> YES. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. GOOD EVENING TO MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. I LIVE IN CITY COUNCIL DISTRICT TWO. COUNCILOR BACA IS MY COUNCILOR. AND I WAITED TO COMMENT ON P-24-1. AND THE CHANGE TO REQUIRE THAT MAYORAL AND CITY COUNCIL CAND -- CANDIDATES ONLY NEED 40% RATHER THAN 50% TO WIN AN ELECTION OUTRIGHT. ALTHOUGH ELECTIONS HAVE A LOT OF VARIABLES MY OWN EXPERIENCE AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL FROM THE NORTH VALLEY IS THAT THE SMALLER THE PERCENTAGE OF VOTES THAT YOU GET, THE LESS OF A MANDATE YOU HAVE TO PUT IN YOUR POLICIES. AND THE LESS CREDIBILITY THAT YOU HAVE. I UNDERSTAND AS IT STANDS THE NEED TO AVOID COSTLY RUNOFFS. I AGREE WITH ALL THE SPEAKERS BEFORE ME. THERE ARE OTHER WAYS TO DEAL WITH THAT PROBLEM. AND THOSE INCLUDE RANK CHOICE VOTING SYSTEMS THAT ARE NOW IN EFFECT IN SANTA FE AND LAS CRUCES. WHICH ALLOWS CANDIDATES TO ASSEMBLE A MAJORITY WITHOUT ANY EXTRA COST. I BELIEVE THAT ANY CHANGE TO THE CITY CHARTER THAT ALLOWS A MINORITY TO ELECT A CANDIDATE MERITS VERY SERIOUS DISCUSSION FROM THE WHOLE COMMUNITY AS THE GENTLEMAN AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF PUBLIC COMMENT SAID, THERE'S A WHOLE GOOD, BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY OUT THERE THAT IS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND A CITY COUNCIL MEETING AT 10 P.M. SO I RECOMMEND A BLUE RIBBON CHARTER TASK -- CHARTER REVIEW TASK FORCE THAT COULD REALLY GRAPPLE WITH THESE ISSUES WHICH REALLY AFFECT THE BALANCE OF POWER BETWEEN THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR. >> THANK YOU. AUSTIN. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M HERE TONIGHT FROM NEW MEXICO WORKING FAMILIES PARTY. I'M SPEAKING TONIGHT IN OPPOSITION FOR ALL THE REASONS LISTED. AND AS A VOTER AND SOMEONE THAT LIVES IN DISTRICT TWO I CANNOT COME TO UNDERSTAND THE BENEFITS OF PROSEAL ONE THAT FURTHER REDUCES THE IMPACT OF CIVIC PARTICIPATION. I UNDERSTAND OUR CURRENT SYSTEM MAY SEEM COSTLY DESPITE BEING REPRESENTATIVE OF LESS THAN ONE-FOURTH OF THE CITY BUDGET AND TURNOUT BEING LOW IN LOCAL ELECTIONS AND HAVING MY OWN FRUSTRATIONS I CANNOT FIND IN ANY WAY WHICH REDUCING NUMBER OF VOICES TO BELOW A SIMPLE MAJORITY WILL BETTER REPRESENT THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. I CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHERE IT IS IN YOUR ROLE TO NICKEL AND DIME THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. I CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW CHANGING OUR ELECTIONS LAWS FOR PEOPLE TO GAME THE SYSTEM WILL HELP SOLVE THE SERIOUS PROBLEMS WE HAVE AHEAD OF US. I URGE A NO VOTE BECAUSE AS SOMEONE WHO WOULD LOVE TO TAKE HIS WHOLE DECEMBER OFF IN A WARM HOUSE THIS SOLUTION ISN'T WORTH THE MOST POSITIVE SIDE EFFECTS. AND THE TRUE SOLUTIONS OUTLINED IS IN FACT FURTHER INVESTMENT INTO CIVIC EDUCATION AND PERHAPS JOIN SOME OF US IN INFORMING THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE WITH GOOD POLICY AND THAT OUR VOICES WILL NOT BE DILUTED AND YOU DEFEND OUR ELECTORAL PROCESS AND REMIND THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE THAT THESE ELECTIONS ARE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROMOTE OUR BEST LEADERS. >> THANK YOU. MR. PRESIDENT, THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. THANK YOU TO THOSE WHO MADE PUBLIC COMMENTS TONIGHT. I'LL START BRIEFLY ON THE BILL. AND THEN ANY DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE. I DO TRUST THE VOTERS. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON TONIGHT. WE'LL VOTE ON HERE WHEN THIS GOES TO FINAL ACTION. BY THE WAY, THIS DID NOT START AS A FAST TRACK BILL. ALTHOUGH, SOMEHOW THAT WAS OUT THERE. I GUESS WE DISCUSSED A LOT OF THINGS TONIGHT WHERE THERE'S MISINFORMATION THAT'S BEEN OUT ABOUT ALL THIS, AND THE BUDGET. THE BILL CANNOT BE FAST TRACKED. THESE BILLS CANNOT BE FAST TRACKED BECAUSE THEY GO THROUGH AN EXTENSIVE PROCESS AND MULTIPLE PUBLIC HEARINGS. ONE OF THOSE IS TONIGHT. THERE COULDN'T BE ANYTHING MORE DEMOCRATIC THAN ALL OF THE VOTERS DECIDING ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS. AND SO IT'S INCREDIBLY DEMOCRATIC. IT ALSO IS -- AGAIN, THE POINT OF JUST SIMPLY HANDING TO THE VOTERS AFTER 12 YEARS AND GIVING THE VOTERS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE AFTER LOOKING AT THE DATA AND LOOKING AT THE RESULT OF THE RUNOFF ELECTIONS AND BEING ABLE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN. I TRUST THAT ALL THE VOTERS IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE CAN DECIDEN ON THESE CHANGES. LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE COUNCIL IS NOT VOTING IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED TO THE BILLS. THE COUNCIL IS VOTING ON WHETHER OR NOT TO PUT THE PROPOSITION ON THE BALLOT FOR THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE TO DECIDE ON IN NOVEMBER. A COUPLE POINTS ON IT. WE'VE SEEN OVER A DECADE OF RUNOFF ELECTIONS. MANY OF THEM THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN CHANGED. BECAUSE OF GOING THROUGH A SECOND. YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT VOTER SUPPRESSION AND LETTING EVERYONE'S VOICES BE HEARD THAT ARE GAMING THE SYSTEM. YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES, AND ALSO TURNOUT. THE TURNOUT IN SINGLE ELECTIONS IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE HAS BEEN TREMENDOUS. BUT WHERE THERE'S DIMINISHED TURNOUT IS RUNOFF ELECTIONS. IT'S IN THE RUNOFF ELECTIONS WHERE THERE'S A REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF VOICES HEARD. AND SO, YOU CAN MAKE A CASE FOR VOTER SUPPRESSION, POSSIBLY. OVER THE LAST DECADE BECAUSE OF THE PROCESS IN PLACE. AND THE GAME IS NOT REALLY -- YOU TALK ABOUT GAMING THE SYSTEM, ONE OF THE WAYS THIS CURRENT WAY THAT WE'RE DOING IT WHERE YOU CAN GAME THE SYSTEM IS TO BE ABLE TO SOMEHOW TURN OUT THE FIRST ELECTION DIDN'T COUNT. YOU VOTED IN THE FIRST ELECTION THAT DIDN'T COUNT, SO WE'RE GOING TO THE SECOND ELECTION, THE GAME IS HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU GET TO THE SECOND ELECTION TO VOTE FOR YOUR CANDIDATE. AGAIN, I THINK WE CAN MAKE THE ARGUMENT, I THINK REALLY THAT ARGUMENT OF FOR OR AGAINST IT IS SOMETHING THAT WILL BE MADE BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER. AGAIN, THE QUESTION THAT'S BEFORE US IS REGARDING WHAT'S BEFORE THE COUNCIL IS WHETHER WE HAND THESE QUESTIONS TO THE VOTERS OR NOT. HERE IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO. THAT'S WHY WE BROUGHT THIS FORWARD. IT'S SIMPLY TO TAKE A LOOK AT ANOTHER OPTION OR ANOTHER WAY. BY THE WAY I SAY THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO DOES NOT HAVE A 50% THRESHOLD ON ELECTIONS. FEDERAL ELECTIONS ARE NOT RUN THAT WAY. FOR MANY, MANY YEARS THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE DID NOT HAVE ANY THRESHOLD. AND THAT'S IT WAS OPERATED. I CAN'T IMAGINE WE'D MAKE THE CASE THAT IS UNDEMOCRATIC OR EVEN PROBABLY THE MAJORITY OF MUNICIPALITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT DO NOT HAVE THOSE KINDS OF THRESHOLDS AT ALL. TO SAY THEY'RE UNDEMOCRATIC WOULD NOT BE THE CASE. AGAIN, WITHOUT FURTHER MAKING THE CASE FOR ONE WAY OR ANOTHER ON THIS QUESTION, I TRUST THE VOTERS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DECISION. I THINK IT'S TIME FOR THEM TO DO THAT. COUNCILORS, OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WHEN SOMEONE RECEIVES 40% OF THE VOTE THAT MEANS 60% VOTED AGAINST THAT PERSON. ANOTHER STATISTIC THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP WHEN THIS WAS DECIDED, TEN YEARS AGO OR WHATEVER IT WAS, DISTRICT FIVE VOTED 55% FOR IT. DISTRICT THREE VOTED 71% FOR IT. TO QUOTE OUR COUNCIL PRESIDENT IN REGARD TO THE BUDGET, WE HAD A WHOLE LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT, WE DID NOT FAST TRACK IT. BECAUSE IT WILL GO TO A MAJORITY AND NOT 40% THAT MAKES IT A VERY DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. WE HAVE SPENT MORE -- WE WILL HAVE SPENT MORE TIME ON GATE FOR THE FRONT YARD THAN WE SPEND ON THIS PARTICULAR BUDGET. AND TO SAY THAT IT'S MOST DEMOCRATIC THING TO DO TO PUT IT TO THAT VOTERS, THAT MIGHT ME TRUE. IN ONE SENSE, BUT IT ALSO MEANS VOTERS WILL VOTE TO MAKE IT UNDEMOCRATIC FROM HERE ON OUT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY. IF WE TALK ABOUT THE STATE OR THE FEDERAL, IT'S TRUE, THEY DON'T HAVE IT. BUT THEY HAVE TWO ELECTIONS. THE PRIMARY AND THE FINAL. THERE'S NOT REALLY A DIFFERENCE. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BUT NOT IN THE CONTEXT OF ELECTIONS. YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST FINISH -- ALL CREDIT TO MY OPPONENT IN THE LAST ELECTION. I DID NOT GO TO A RUNOFF. I THINK I HAD A GOOD CAMPAIGN AND WORKED MY TAIL OFF AND HAD GOOD MESSAGING. MAYBE THAT'S ALL WE NEED. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST WANTED TO THANK COUNCIL PRESIDENT, BECAUSE I THINK I WAS ABLE TO ASK FOR A HOLDOVER TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS RANK CHOICE VOTING AND THIS AT THE SAME TIME. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO DO THAT. YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AT THE NEXT MEETING WE'RE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT THE OPTIONS IN THE STATE LAW AS A GROUP TOGETHER. I JUST I HAVE TO SAY THANK YOU, EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY NOT AGREE, BUT YOU STILL LET ME DO THAT. I REALLY WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, THAT IS THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. AND THAT IS THE WAY THAT I AM EXCITED WE CAN DO THAT AS A GROUP AND DISCUSS BOTH OF THOSE AT THE NEXT MEETING SO WE CAN HAVE A GOOD DISCUSSION ABOUT THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU ABOUT THAT. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE TIME FRAME WE'RE GOING ON. I HEARD IT WASN'T FAST TRACKED, AND I UNDERSTAND WE'RE TECHNICALLY MEETING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS BY CALLING CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS PUBLIC HEARINGS. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I JUST WANT TO SHARE THAT RECENTLY I HAD A BILL R-24-31 WHICH WAS JUST APPROVAL FOR A GRANT APPLICATION. IT JUST SAID THAT PARKS AND REC WAS ALLOWED TO PUT IN A GRANT APPLICATION TO GET FREE MONEY. I PROPOSED THAT ON 4-3. I CAME TO THIS BODY TWO WEEKS LATER AND SAID I REALLY LIKE TO GET THIS APPROVED. AND THIS BODY SAID SPECIFICALLY THAT IS NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR US TO HAVE CONSIDERED THIS. AND SO, IT TOOK ME UNTIL 5-6 TO GET THAT THROUGH. THAT WAS FOUR AND A HALF WEEKS, TO GET A VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD GRANT PROPOSAL THROUGH THIS COUNCIL. WHAT WE'RE HEARING TONIGHT WAS INTRODUCED ON 5-6. TODAY IS TWO WEEKS. AND IF WE DEFER THIS UNTIL 6-3, THAT WILL BE FOUR WEEKS. WE WILL HAVE VOTED ON CHANGES TO OU CHARTER HALF A WEEK FASTER THAN WE VOTED TO APPROVE THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT GOING OUT AND ASKING FOR MONEY. I FEEL LIKE THAT IS FAST TRACKED. I FEEL THAT IS NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR US TO CONSIDER THIS. I HAVE OPINIONS ON THESE BILLS THAT I REACHED OUT TO QUITE A FEW EXPERTS AND I HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM BECAUSE IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUDGET PROCESS. [ INAUDIBLE PRACTICE [ INAUDIBLE ] . >>COUN. LEWIS: AND, THE -- IT CERTAINLY HAS THE ABILITY LIKE A GRANT OR ANYTHING ELSE TO BE DEFERRED. WEP IT -- WHEN IT COMES TO BALLOT QUESTIONS, IT COMES TO SOME POINT -- BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MEET DEADLINES, THIS IS GRANTS AND OTHER THINGS, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GRANTS AND SOMEBODY MAKES A DECISION TO DEFER IT, THEY GO WOULD IT HARM THE ABILITY TO GET THE GRANT. VERY RARELY HAVE I SEEN A GRANT APPLICATION BEING PUT IN JEOPARDY BEING ABLE TO GET THAT GRANT. ANYWAY. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MR. PRESIDENT -- >>COUN. LEWIS: LET ME GO TO THE STAFF. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN HAS A MOTION ON THE TABLE. WE NEED TO KNOW. >>COUN. LEWIS: I'M SPEAKING ON THE MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND ON THE MOTION? THE MOTION IS DEFER IT TO JUNE 17th. MY PLAN IS DEFERRAL UNTIL JUNE 3rd. I'LL MOVE THAT MOTION AFTER WE DISPOSE OF THIS. THERE'S A SECOND. MOTION AND SECOND TO -- FOR A DEFERRAL TO JUNE 17th. QUESTION OR DISCUSSION ON THAT DEFERRAL? THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. MOTION FAILS ON A 3-6. BACK ON THE BILL. I WAIL MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER TO JUNE 3rd. DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY COUNCILOR GROUT. WE CAN CONTINUE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE DEFERRAL OR ON THE BILL IF YOU LIKE. MOTION AND SECOND -- YOU KNOW, I WANT TO GIVE PLENTY OF TIME TO HAVE DISCUSSION ON THE ACTUAL BILL. ALL RIGHT. THE DISCUSSION IS CLOSED. MOVE DEFERRAL TO JUNE 3rd. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES ON A 7-2. THIS NEXT ONE IS R-47. THIS IS COMPANION BILL. TO P-1, IS THAT CORRECT? MAKE SURE I'M SAYING THAT CORRECTLY. ADOPTING PROPOSITION TO BE HELD FOR THE CITY CHART PROVIDING THE FORM OF QUESTION AND DESIGNATION CLAUSE FOR SUCH QUESTION ON THE BALLOT. I MOVE A DO PASS. MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT FOR DO PASS. I'LL MOVE DEFERRAL TO JUNE 3rd. MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE FOR DEFERRAL TO JUNE 3rd. NOW DISCUSSION ON THE R-47. JUST A QUICK EXPLANATION OF WHAT THIS DOES. IT ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTS IT PUTS IN THE CHARTER. >> MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, THIS RESOLUTION IS PERFORMING -- IT IS REQUIRED TO MIRROR THE PROPOSITION IN P-1 AND PROVIDES THE FORM OF THE QUESTION TO BE PLACED ON THE BALLOT. IT HAS A BRIEF EXPLANATION OF WHAT THE PROPOSITION DOES AND OTHERWISE IT'S IDENTICAL. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. QUESTIONS ON R-47? >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION, WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING VOTER EDUCATION AROUND THIS? IF IT DOES GO TO THE BALLOT. >> COUNCILOR ROGERS, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY AFFIRMATIVE BRAKZ OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE EDUCATION TO THE VOTERS. A FINALIZED VERSION NEEDS TO BE PRESENTED TO THE CITY ATTORNEY TO BE ADDED TO THE BALLOT. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: ARE WE DISCUSSING THE DEFERRAL? >>COUN. LEWIS: DISCUSSING IT ALL, ALTHOUGH THE DEFERRAL IS ON THE TABLE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR. MOTION AND SECOND FOR DEFERRAL. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. MOTION PASSES ON A 7-2. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO ITEM G. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, P2 IS ADOPTING PROPOSITION TO BE SENT TO THE VOTERS IN THE 2024 GENERAL ELECTION. PROPOSING TO AMEND ARTICLE FIVE FOR PROCEDURES OF APPOINTMENT AND REMOVAL OF THE CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY CLERK. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. LEWIS: SECOND. MOTION AND SECOND FOR DO PASS. WE'RE GAT -- WE'RE GOING TO THE FLOOR AMENDMENT. COUNCILORS, IT'S NOT MARKED. IT SAYS FLOOR AMENDMENT TO P-24-2. IS THAT CORRECT? THIS WILL BE FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE TO P-24-2. THIS READS ON PAGE TWO LINE 22 AFTER CITY ATTORNEY, ADD MAY ONLY BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE FOR CAUSE BY THE MAYOR WITH CONCURRENCE OF TWO-THIRDS OF THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL AFTER CAUSE HAS BEEN FOUND BY INSPECTOR GENERAL. STRIKE SHALL HAVE -- ON PAGE THREE LINE 15 ADD THE CITY CLERK MAY ONLY BE REMOVED FOR CAUSE BY THE MAYOR WITH CONCURRENCE OF TWO-THIRDS OF THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL AND CAUSE BEEN DETERMINED BY THE INSPECTOR GENERAL. ON PAGE THREE STRIKE 18 THROUGH 25. OUR STAFF PREPARED A SIDE BIE Y SIDE CURRENT AND PROPOSED COMPARISON TO THE CURRENT LAW. OR THE CURRENT LANGUAGE IN THE CHARTER. AND AFTER THIS AMENDMENT, WHAT WOULD BE PROPOSED REGARDING PROPOSAL NUMBER TWO OR THE CITY ATTORNEY OR THE CLERK. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT YOU'LL SEE THAT HERE ARE THE CHANGES. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE ADVISE AND CONSENT OF THE COUNCIL IS HOW THE CLERK AND THE CITY AND ATTORNEY ARE HIRED. ADVICE AND CONSENT OF THE COUNCIL IS THE CURRENT LAW. THIS PROPOSITION AS AMENDED WOULD CHANGE IT TO A HIRING COMMITTEE. TWO FROM THE MAYOR AND TWO FROM THE COUNCIL. IT INVOLVES THE COUNCIL IN THE HIRING PROCESS OF THE TWO POSITIONS. FOR REMOVAL THE CURRENT ORDINANCE IS FOR CAUSE BY THE MAYOR PLUS SIX VOTES OF COUNCIL. THAT WILL NOT CHANGE. THIS IS -- AS AMENDED THIS WILL NOT CHANGE. SAME AS PROPOSAL FOR THE CAUSE OF MAYOR PLUS SIX VOTES OF THE COUNCIL. THE ONE OTHER CHANGE SIMPLY THE TERMINATION OR HOW OF CAUSE IS DETERMINED. RIGHT NOW IT'S CAUSE DETERMINED BY DIRECTOR OF THE OFFICE OF INTERNAL AUDIT AND INVESTIGATION. THAT OFFICE NO LONGER EXISTS. AND SO THE CHANGES OF CAUSE DETERMINED BY THE INSPECTOR GENERAL WHICH IS OUR CURRENT PROCESS. THOSE ARE THE CHANGES. THAT'S WHAT THIS AMENDMENT WOULD DO ALONG WITH THE PROPOSAL FOR PROPOSITION. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? THE FLOOR AMENDMENT IS SECONDED. THIS FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE ON P-24-2. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. AGAIN, TO THE TIMELINE, I SAW THIS TODAY AT 4:30 FOR THE FIRST TIME. WE'RE BEING ASKED TO VOTE ON IT. SOMETHING THAT WILL LITERALLY IMPACT THE CHARTER FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE FOR THE ENTIRE FUTURE OF OUR CITY AND I SAW IT AT 4:30. I HAVEN'T HAD CHANCE TO DISCUSS IT WITH ANY EXPERTS OR LOOK AT IT BEYOND READING IT BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE BUDGET PROCESS. I DON'T FEEL LIKE I'M QUALIFIED TO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT. I QUESTION WHETHER IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE VOTED ON THIS EVENING AND WHY WE CAN'T GIVE COUNCILORS AND THE CITY MORE TIME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE. >>COUN. LEWIS: AGAIN, MOST OF THIS WAS INTRODUCED -- THE MAJORITY OF THIS PROPOSITION WAS INTRODUCED ON THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING. THE CHANGES IN REGARD TO THIS, THEY WERE IN THE NEWSPAPER ALL WEEKEND, AND THEN THERE WAS MINOR CHANGES THIS AFTERNOON. REALLY SMALL CLARIFICATIONS. MR. MORROW, WHAT WERE THE TECHNICAL CHANGES MADE THIS AFTERNOON? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, THE CHANGES THAT ARE PRESENTED IN THIS AMENDMENT ARE THE PREVIOUSLY INTRODUCED AMENDMENT IMPOSED AN EMPLOYMENT CONTRACT. AND THE POSSIBILITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL REMOVING WITHOUT CAUSE. THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED WITH THIS AMENDMENT. AND IT IS MOVED BACK TO THE MAY BE REMOVED FOR CAUSE WITH THE MAYOR PLUS TWO-THIRDS OF THE COUNCIL. THAT'S THE EXISTING PROPOSITION AS THE CHARTER READS NOW. IT'S JUST CLARIFYING IT'S DETERMINED BY THE INSPECTOR GENERAL. >>COUN. LEWIS: JUST A REAL QUICK SUM UP OF THE ENTIRE CHANGE TO THIS. THE ENTIRE CHANGE IS VERY MINIMAL. WHAT THIS BILL DOES OR PROPOSITION DOES IS INCLUDE THE COUNCIL IN THE HIRING PROCESS. IT MAKES NO CHANGE TO THE REMOVAL OF THE TWO POSITIONS. AND IT SIMPLY DEFINES HOW CAUSE IS DETERMINED. VERY CLEAR, VERY EASY TO UNDERSTAND. NOTHING COMPLICATED IN HERE. AND WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO DISCUSS IT TONIGHT. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I WOULD SAY THAT THERE ARE NO SMALL CHANGES TO OUR CITY CHARTER. I REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PHRASE SMALL CHANGES. THIS IS OUR CITY'S CHARTER. WE DON'T CHANGE IT WILLY-NILLY. AGAIN, THIS MIGHT BE SIMPLE TO THE FOLKS THAT PUT IT TOGETHER THIS AFTERNOON. IT'S NOT SIMPLE TO THE REST OF US. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION IF WE COULD. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: LET ME COMMENT ON THIS AND WE'LL GO TO MS. SENGEL. SOME OF THE CHANGES IN THE AMENDMENTS, AGAIN, THIS IS EXTREMELY CLEAR AND VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD. SOME OF THE CHANGES CAME OUT OF DISCUSSIONS AND LETTERS FROM MS. SENGEL. AND I REALLY BELIEVE THAT EVERYTHING IN YOUR LETTER, MS. SENGEL, THAT YOU WROTE THIS LAST WEEK WE'VE ADDRESSED HERE. CERTAINLY ON THE CITY ATTORNEY AND CLERK AND CERTAINLY WE CAN DISCUSS ANYTHING YOU MIGHT HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH. AGAIN, THIS IS THE PUBLIC HEARING. MS. SENGEL. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. IN MY COMMUNICATION TO THE SPONSORS OF THE AMENDMENT, I DID COMMUNICATE WHAT WE BELIEVE IS THE PREFERRED PATHWAY FOR AMENDMENTS TO THE CHARTERS TO BE CONSIDERED THROUGH A CHARTER REVIEW TASK FORCE. IT WAS OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO ENSURE THERE'S REPRESENTATIVE FROM COUNCIL APPOINTMENTS AND ADMINISTRATION AND ENSURE THERE'S A PROCESS THAT ALLOWS FOR THOROUGH EXAMINATION OF THE FOUR PROPIZATION AND HOW THOSE AMENDMENTS -- I'M SORRY THOSE CHARTER CHANGES CAN BE CONSIDERED. TO BOTH BALANCE THE SEPARATION OF POWERS BUT ALSO INDIVIDUAL ACCOUNTABILITY. THAT IS OUR FIRST BELIEF OF HOW THIS SHOULD BE HANDLED. OF COURSE, IF THAT IS NOT THE PATH THAT TAKES FORWARD, WE HAVE SPECIFIC CONCERNS RELATED TO THIS PROPOSITION AS WELL AS THE NEXT ONE THAT YOU'LL CONSIDER. WE DID SHARE THOSE. I SEE THAT IN THESE AMENDMENTS THERE IS MODIFICATIONS THAT GET US CLOSER IN THOSE. WE DO BELIEVE THESE POSITIONS AND PUTTING BACK FOR CAUSE IS CRITICAL AND IMPORTANCE PHRASE. IT PROTECTS THE EMPLOYMENT RIGHTS OF THE INDIVIDUALS AND ALSO SUPPORTS ENSURING THERE'S NOT PATRONAGE. TERMINATION NEEDS TO BE BY THE MAYOR. WE BELIEVE BY THE MAYOR OR CITY COUNCIL. AND THAT WOULD MEAN IT SHOULD BE MAINTAINED WITH TWO-THIRDS VOTE OF CITY COUNCIL OR THE MAYOR. THIS MAINTAINS ACCOUNTABILITY FOR BOTH BODIES. AND IT ALSO CONTINUES TO MAINTAIN THE AUTHORITY THE MAYOR HAS AS THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE OF THE CITY. IN MY POSITION AS CAO, I OVERSEE AND SUPERVISE HR FOR THE CITY AND IT'S CRITICAL THAT I'M ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE ABILITY TO HIRE AND TERMINATE EMPLOYEES AS APPROPRIATE THROUGH THE ACTIONS THAT WE DESCRIBE IN TERMS OF FOR CAUSE IN ANY POSITION. WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THAT BALANCE AND MAINTAIN THE EXECUTIVE BALANCE IN HIRING AND TERMINATION. THIS CURRENT PROPOSAL HAS A HIRING COMMITTEE THAT INCLUDES A BALANCE BETWEEN ADMINISTRATION AND COUNCIL ON THE HIRING SIDE. AND IT ALSO INCLUDES CONFIRMATION ON THE END OF THAT. IT IS -- COUNCIL WOULD BE INCLUDED IN BOTH END. ONE OR THE OTHER WOULD MAINTAIN BETTER BALANCE FOR THAT. FINALLY, THERE'S CONCERN RELATED TO THE -- WE DIDN'T MENTION THIS SPECIFICALLY BUT THE CONCERN WITH THE I.G. BEING THE BODY THAT WOULD DETERMINE CAUSE, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THE NOTE THAT CAUSE IS AN EMPLOYMENT AND EMPLOYMENT LAW ISSUE. AND TYPICALLY OUR INSPECTOR GENERAL IS NOT AN ATTORNEY. IT COULD BE AN ATTORNEY BUT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT THAT WHEN WE'RE DETERMINING CAUSE FOR TERMINATION THAT IT IS MATTER THAT IS LEGAL MATTER RELATED TO EMPLOYMENT LAW. IT'S CONCERNING TO HAVE THAT REMAIN AS WE ARE IN THE -- I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I'M VERY CLEAR, WE BELIEVE THE CHARTER REVIEW TASK FORCE IS ALLOWING FOR THE OPPORTUNITY US TO BOTH BE REPRESENTED IN A DISCUSSION AND ENSURE WE HAVE THE TIME AND OPPORTUNITY FOR INDIVIDUALS TO PARTICIPATE THROUGHOUT. IT IS A MORE TRANSPARENT PATH FORWARD WHEN WE CONSIDER THAT THE HEARINGS ARE STARTING AT 9:40 AT NIGHT. AND WE HAVE MANY PEOPLE THAT SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WERE UNABLE TO STAY OR ACCESS THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'D LIKE TO SUSPEND RULES TO EXTEND THE MEETING TO 11 O'CLOCK. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOTION AND SECOND. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. MOTION PASSES 7-2. I APPRECIATE MS. SENGEL FOR BRINGING THOSE THINGS UP AND WHAT'S GREAT IS WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL OF THOSE IN HERE. WE CERTAINLY HAVE FOR CAUSE. I KNOW THAT WAS A CONCERN OF THE MAYOR. FOR CAUSE REMAINS THE SAME. THE REMOVAL OF THE POSITIONS REMAINS EXACTLY THE SAME. THERE'S NO CHANGE IN THAT. AGAIN, THE HIRING TERMINATION. TERMINATION STAYS THE SAME. THE HIRING ADDS INVOLVEMENT OF THE COUNCIL IN THE HIRING PROCESS. AND THEN THE I.G. CHANGE IS BECAUSE OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE SAYS THAT CAUSE IS DETERMINED BY THE OFFICE OF INTERNAL AUDIT AND INVESTIGATIONS AND THE EQUIV SLNT THE INSPECTOR GENERAL. I THINK WE'VE MOVED A PRETTY GOOD WAYS WITH THIS AMENDMENT REALLY COMING TOGETHER WITH A LOT OF AGREEMENT. COUNCILORS, OTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS CHANGE I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SINCE WE START. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AMENDMENT WOULD CREATE COMMITTEE THAT INCLUDES THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCILLOR WITH TWO APPOINTEE. THAT'S ALREADY IN THERE THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL COMPETE. BEING THAT WE HAVE THAT INTRA INTERGOVERNMENTAL COMMITTEE THAT'S BEEN TOTALLY IGNORED BY THE ADMINISTRATION. I KNOW COUNCIL SET FORTH THEIR PERSON BUT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS REFUSED IN THE PAST TO SET FORTH THEIR INDIVIDUAL TO ACTUALLY DEAL WITH CONFLICTS AND CONFLICT RESOLUTION BETWEEN THE COUNCIL AND THE ADMINISTRATION. WHAT THIS IS DOING IS BASICALLY CLARIFYING THAT. ANOTHER THING IT CLARIFIES IS WHEN IT COMES TO THE CITY CLERK, IT ALSO CHANGES THE PROCESS FOR REMOVAL. AND IT'S NEVER HAD TO HAPPEN BEFORE. THIS ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T SEE THE SPIRIT OF THE CHARTER AT ALL. THAT'S POINT ON THE FIRST ONE. POINT ON THE SECOND ONE CLARIFIES THAT BOTH POSITIONS NEED TO BE REAPPOINTED FOR EACH SUBSEQUENT MAYOR'S TERM. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE POLICE CHIEF BEFORE US. HE SHOULD BE. THIS WILL CLARIFY THAT AND FIX THAT. WE'RE CLEANING UP A CHARTER THAT HAS SPIRIT BUT UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE MAKE BIG CHANGES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE FIX WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN REFERENCE TO THE CHARTER. THAT HASN'T BEEN DONE OR EVEN LOOKED AT PROPERLY BY THE ADMINISTRATION. THANK YOU. >> COUNCILOR LEWIS, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I DID WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS RECENTLY PUT FORTH A MEMBER TO THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL COMMITTEE. THEY HAVE PUT FORTH BOB WHITE FORMER ASSOCIATE CAO. AND I DISCUSSED WITH THE COUNCIL'S APPOINTEE AND SHE'S PREPARED AND INTERESTED IN SERVING HER APPOINTMENT FROM THE COUNCIL'S APPOINTEE. THEY'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE TO GET MOVINGON MAKING THE THIRD APPOINTMENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: THAT'S CLARIFICATION -- WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IN JUST A MOMENT AND I'LL MAKE OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THAT. IT REITERATES WHY WE NEED THAT QUESTION. WE'RE BACK ON THE AMENDMENT. THIS IS AMENDMENT TO P2. I KNOW WE HAVE SOME SPEAKERS. LET'S GO TO THE SPEAKERS. >> WE HAVE MASON FOLLOWED BY JOHN. JOHN FOLLOW BY TERRY ON ZOOM. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, HELLO AGAIN. I'M HERE REPRESENTING MYSELF AND CONSERVATION VOTERS NEW MEXICO. WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL THAT IT COULD REDUCE THE INDEPENDENCE OF CITY CLERK. AN INDEPENDENT CITY CLERK IS THE BEDROCK OF ELECTION INTEGRITY IN OUR CITY AND CHANGES TO THE CLERK'S HIRING OR FIRING SHOULD HAVE MORE EVALUATION AND ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO FULLY UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS BEFORE A VOTE ON THIS MEASURE TAKES PLACE. THANK YOU. >> TERRY FOLLOWED BY DIDI. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN. I'M ONE OF THE LUCKY ONES THAT CAN STICK IT OUT UNTIL IS 11 O'CLOCK. I'M DEFINITELY OPPOSED TO THIS. I'M ALSO OPPOSED TO THE CHARTER PROPOSAL THAT WOULD HAVE THE CITY COUNCIL -- THE HIRING OF THE POLICE CHIEF AND FIRE CHIEF AS WELL. I'M GOING TO LUMP ALL THOSE TOGETHER. CITY CLERK, THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND THE CHIEF OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY JUMPS OUT AT ME IS WHAT MAKES ALL THIS SUSPICIOUS IS THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL ACTUALLY ELIMINATED CAUSE. AND SECONDLY BEING BROUGHT BACK IN NOW WHEN WE'RE GETTING SOME KIND OF PUSHBACK. BY ELIMINATING CAUSE AND NOT HAVING CAUSE FROM THE GET-GO THROWS A BRIGHT LIGHT ON WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED WHICH WAS POWER TO CUT PEOPLE'S HEADS OFF WHO ARE GENERALLY AND USUAL LY EXECUTIVE IN THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. I THINK IT DOES MAKE A GREAT DEAL OF DIFFERENCE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS PROPOSED TO HAVE INVOLVEMENT AT BOTH ENDS OF THIS, THE HIRING AND FIRING. THAT IS VERY DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEN AT THAT POINT IN TIME THE CITY COUNCIL CAN MEDDLE IN THE APPOINTMENT OF THE FOUR TOP POSITIONS FOR THE CITY. AND JUST WATCHING TONIGHT HOW MUCH WORK THE CITY COUNCIL HAS TO DO, AND THAT THERE ARE DELAYS AND THERE ARE FAST TRACKS TO ADD THIS TO WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS TO DO, LET'S SAY, ALL OF THIS IS ABOVE BOARD AND IN ITS INTEND, BUT IT'S A POWER GRAB. AND THERE'S A LOT MORE POLITICAL ANSWERABILITY WHEN IT REMAINS WITHIN THE EXECUTIVE PRIMARILY. AND IN THE MAYOR'S POSITION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH I OPPOSE BOTH OF THOSE CHARTER AMENDMENTS. BOTH OF THEM GOING TO THE VOTERS. THANK YOU. >> DIDI. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. THE MORE I HEAR OF THIS DISCUSSION THIS EVENING, THE MORE I'M CONVINCED THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A BLUE RIBBON CHART ER TASK FORCE REVIEW COMMITTEE. OF SOME KIND. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE VERY COMPLEX ISSUES. WE'VE HEARD FROM THE CITY COUNCIL STAFF THERE IS NO PLAN TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ABOUT THIS ISSUE. WE'VE HEARD BASICALLY THAT TECHNICALLY THIS MEASURE HAS NOT BEEN FAST TRACKED BUT BASICALLY IT'S SIMPLY MEETING THE BEAR MINIMUM OF PUBLIC COMMENT. AND WITHIN A VERY LATE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WHICH VERY FEW PEOPLE ARE LISTENING TO, OR PAYING ATTENTION TO. MUCH LESS, HAVING ANY KIND OF INPUT INTO. AND SO, I REALLY AM ASKING YOU TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER ESTABLISHING A CHARTER REVIEW TASK FORCE. I WAS ON ONE OF THESE FOR THE COUNTY IN 2018. IN WHICH WE REVIEWED THE COUNTY CHARTER. IT WAS VERY INSTRUCTIVE. WE GOT TO BUILD CONSENSUS AROUND IMPORTANT CHANGES TO THE COUNTY CHARTER. THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALTERING THE BALANCE OF POWER BETWEEN THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, AND IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE BASIC REQUIREMENTS FOR A COUNCIL MEMBER TO GET ELECTED OR A MAYOR TO GET ELECTED. I URGE YOU TO REALLY CONSIDER THAT. IT WOULD ALSO GIVE YOU AN ARM'S LENGTH FROM ACTUALLY ACTING ON A PURR THAT WILL AFFECT YOUR REELECTION. SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MR. PRESIDENT, THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. WE'RE ON AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. PROPOSAL TWO. JUST ADDRESS A LITTLE BIT THE CHARTER REVIEW TASK FORCE. WE DO HAVE A CHARTER REVIEW TASK FORCE. THE PURPOSE OF IT IS TO REVIEW THE ENTIRE CHARTER AND ITS FOR THAT LARGE SCOPE REVIEW OF THE CHARTER. IT'S NOT FOR THE PURPOSE OF DEALING WITH SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL CHANGES LIKE THIS. THIS IS THE PROCESS FOR DEALING WITH THOSE CHANGES TO GO THROUGH THESE PUBLIC HEARING AND THIS PROCESS. AGAIN, I TRUST THE VOTERS ON THIS. WE'RE NOT DETERMINING WHAT -- WHETHER WE AGREE WITH THE CHANGE OR NOT. WE DETERMINE WHETHER WE WANT TO PUT THESE IN A DEMOCRATIC WAY HOW THE VOTERS WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO RUN. FOR THE CAUSE CHANGE SINCEWY FIRST INTRODUCED IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW THIS IS EVOLVED AND CHANGED AND BECOME BETTER AND TAKEN INPUT FROM EVERYONE AND IMPLEMENTING IT IN HERE. AGAIN, FLOOR AMENDMENT ONE. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, BUT IF THE ANSWER IS DIFFERENT THAN I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM MR. MORROW. MY QUESTION IS CAN THE INSPECTOR GENERAL FIND CAUSE? IS THAT THE PROCESS BY WHICH CAUSE CAN BE FOUND AND SOMEONE CAN BE TERMINATED? THE STATEMENT BY DR. SENGEL CONCERNED ME. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, THE CURRENT INSPECTOR GENERAL IS NOT AN ATTORNEY. CAUSE IS A LEGAL CONCEPT. THE CURRENT INSPECTOR GENERAL CONDUCTS INVESTIGATIONS, FACT-FINDING VERSIONS. SHE CAN CONDUCT AN INVESTIGATION IF THERE WERE AN ALLEGATION THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY OR CITY CLERK ENGAGED IN WRONGDOING AND IT WOULD GO TO THE COUNCIL AND UNDER THE CURRENT SYSTEM WOULD ULTIMATELY DETERMINE SUFFICIENT CAUSE FOR TERMINATION. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. MR. MORROW, DO YOU AGREE? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, I THINK THE INSPECTOR GENERAL IS CAPABLE OF MAKING RECOMMENDATION OF COUNCIL TO DETERMINATION OF TERMINATION AND IT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL TO ACCEPT THAT RECOMMENDATION. >>COUN. LEWIS: IT'S A GREAT POINT. WE MAKE A LOT OF DECISIONS. WE'RE NOT ATTORNEYS. WE MAKE A LOT OF DECISIONS REGARDING LEGAL MATTERS. IF THEY'RE CHALLENGED THEY'RE CHALLENGED. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT. THAT THE INSPECTOR GENERAL IS GIVEN THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES AND DOES IT ALL THE TIME. COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. QUESTION FOR THE ATTORNEY. WE DID -- I DID INTRODUCE A CHARTER AMENDMENT TO CREATE THAT BLUE RIBBON TASK FORCE EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT. IT'S CURRENTLY HEAD TO OUR SBO COMMITTEE. IS THERE A PROCESS WHERE THAT CAN BE FAST TRACKED WHERE WE CAN USE THE PROCEDURES AVAILABLE TO US TO HAVE IT AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION AND TO HEAD TO THE VOTERS AND TRUST THAT THEY WILL MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION? >>COUN. LEWIS: AGAIN, I MEAN THIS IS THE PROCESS FOR CHOOSING THESE ONES THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US RIGHT NOW. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. BACA: EXCUSE ME, MR. PRESIDENT. THAT WAS A QUESTION. >>COUN. LEWIS: WHO WAS THE QUESTION FOR? >> I WAS GOING TO DEFER TO MR. PADILLA. >> LOOKING RIGHT NOW IT TAKES FOUR VOTES TO PULL IT OUT OF THE COMMITTEE TO PUT TO THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. I'M TRYING TO VERIFY THAT RIGHT NOW. I'M SORRY. IT TAKES FIVE VOTES TO PULL IT OUT OF COMMITTEE AND PUT IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA. IT TAKES FIVE VOTES TONIGHT IF YOU MAKE A MOTION. AFTER WE GET DONE WITH THIS BILL YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO PULL IT OUT OF COMMITTEE, IF YOU GET FIVE VOTES IT WILL BE ON THE NEXT AGENDA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: IF WE PULL IT OUT OF COMMITTEE WE FAST TRACK IT TO THE NEXT MEETING? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT IF YOU PULL IT OUT OF MEETING IT WILL APPEAR ON THE NEXT AGENDA. >>COUN. LEWIS: AS OPPOSED IT WILL STAY IN COMMITTEE AND STAY IN THE COMMITTEE AND BE INTRODUCED AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, THE PATH IT'S ON RIGHT NOW SINCE REFERRED TO COMMITTEE IT WILL GO TO COMMITTEE IN JUNE AND GETS REPORTED OUT OF COMMITTEE IN JUNE. UNLESS YOU TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION IT REPORTED OUT AND END UP IN THE AUGUST AGENDA. IF YOU MAKE A MOTION TO PULL IT OUT OF COMMITTEE AND PUT IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA IT WOULD APPEAR ON THE AGENDA FOR THE JUNE 3rd MEETING. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION BEFORE US? COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I LIKE THIS AMENDMENT. I THINK THIS IS COMPROMISE. I THINK WE DON'T DO IT ENOUGH. IT'S ALWAYS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. I APPRECIATE THE DIALOGUE BETWEEN ADMIN AND US. AND THIS COMPROMISE. RIGHT NOW, IT STANDS IN THE CHARTER WE'RE NOT EVEN -- WE DON'T HAVE AN OFFICE THAT IT SAYS WE HAVE. WE NEED TO MAKE A CHANGE. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. I THINK THIS IS A GOOD COMPROMISE. I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING IT FORTH. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE'LL GO TO FINAL VOTE. THIS IS FLOOR AMENDMENT ONE. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSE, NO. RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. BACK ON THE BILL. THIS IS P-24-2. I MOVE DEFERRAL. UNTIL JUNE 3rd. THAT'S MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS ON THIS DEFERRAL? DEFER TO JUNE 3rd, THOSE IN FABER SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. MOTION PASSES ON AN 8-1. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILORS, LET'S SEE. R-48, THIS IS COMPANION BILL. THIS IS ADOPTING A PROPOSITION TO BE SUBMITTED TO VOTERS AT THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION TO BE HELD IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. BALLOT QUESTION AND DESIGNATED CAUSE FOR SUCH QUESTION ON THE BALLOT. I MOVE A DO PASS. MOTION AND SECOND. I MOVE DEFERRAL TO JUNE 3rd. MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT TO DEFER TO JUNE 3rd. QUESTION OR COMMENT ON THE MOTION? I NEED TO WITHDRAW SO WE CAN AMEND THIS. I MOVE -- TELL ME THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT. CAN I AMEND IT WITH THE DEFERRAL ON THE TABLE? >> COUNCILOR, YOU NEED TO ACT ON YOUR DEFERRAL. THE MOTION FOR DEFER TAKES PRECEDENCE ON ANY MOTION TO AMEND. >>COUN. LEWIS: I'LL WITHDRAW THE DEFERRAL. DEFERRAL IS WITHDRAWN. SO THE MOTION ON THE TABLE IS A DO PASS. I'D LIKE TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT. THIS IS AMENDMENT TO R-24-48. THIS IS ON PAGE THREE LINE SIX AFTER CITY ATTORNEY, AND MAY ONLY BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE FOR CAUSE BY THE MAYOR WITH CONCURRENCE OF TWO THIRDS OF THE ENTIRE MEMBERSHIP OF COUNCIL AFTER CAUSE HAS BEEN DETERMINED BY INSPECTOR GENERAL. ON PAGE THREE LINE NINE STRIKE LINE NINE THROUGH SIX TEEN. ON PAGE THREE LINE 32 ADD CITY CLERK MAY REMOVE FROM OFFICE BY CAUSE WITH THE CONCURRENCE OF THE ENTIRE MEMBERSHIP OF THE COUNCIL AFTER CAUSE HAS BEEN DETERMINED BY THE INSPECTOR GENERAL. ON PAGE FOUR LINE STRIKES LINES TWO THROUGH EIGHT. MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR GROUT. AGAIN, COUNCILORS, I JUST DO A BRIEF COMPARISON BETWEEN THE CURRENT LANGUAGE IN THE CHARTER. AND WITH THIS AMENDMENT WHAT THE PROPOSITION WOULD DO. CURRENTLY, THIS IS REGARDING THE CHIEF. THE HIRING OF THE CHIEFS. ABSOLUTELY NO CHANGE. I'M SORRY. WE'RE STILL BACK ON THIS. THIS IS JUST -- OKAY. I APOLOGIZE. WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE AMENDMENT HONEST THIS. -- ON THIS. WE DIDN'T. OKAY. WE'RE JUST MAKING THE SAME TYPE OF AMENDMENT ON THIS BILL. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, THAT'S CORRECT. IT JUST LINES UP WITH THE -- >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY, I APOLOGIZE. I GOT AHEAD OF MYSELF A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. THAT'S THE MOTION TO AMEND. THIS IS 24-48. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? THE MOTION IS TO AMEND. IT'S SECONDED BY COUNCILOR GROUT. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT. NOW, WE'RE BACK ON THIS BILL. AS AMENDED. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE BILL? THIS IS R-24-48. WE'RE GOING TO DEFER. MOTION AND SECOND FOR DEFERRAL. THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES 7-2. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE NOW ON ITEM THREE. THIS IS ITEM P-3. ADOPTING PROPOSITION TO BE SENT TO THE VOTERS. AT THE 2024 GENERAL ELECTION. ARTICLE FIVE OF THE CHARTER OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE REGARDING PROCEDURES OF APPOINTMENT OF ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICERS AND APPOINTMENT AND REMOVAL OF CHIEF OF POLICE AND FIRE CHIEF. I MOVE DO PASS. MOTION AND SECOND FOR DO PASS. ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? WE HAVE ONE PERSON. LET'S GO TO THEM. >> WE WILL BE GOING TO RUDOLPH. >> PRESIDENT LEWIS, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> WE HEAR YOU. PLEASE PROCEED. >> YES, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR STAYING LATE FOR US. AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE LET THE VOTERS DECIDE MORE AND MORE. WE LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE LOBBIES ARE CONTROLLING 100% OF THE VOTE. IF WE CAN PASS ANYTHING UNDERTABLE TO THE VOTERS IT'S A GREAT THING. ESPECIALLY WITH THE CHIEF OF POLICE. IF WE REMEMBER CHIEF SCHULTZ SHOOTING PEOPLE LEFT AND RIGHT COSTED $70 MILLION. AND WE COULDN'T GET BERRY TO STOP HIM. THIS, A CONDITION WHERE WE CAN GET OUR COUNCILORS TO BE ABLE TO STOP THINGS LIKE THIS, NOT EVERYTHING, NOT THE FIRST FOUR YEARS, BUT THINGS LIKE THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT WILL SAVE US AT LEAST A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS IN THAT EXAMPLE. YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THING IS FOUR YEARS IS NOT ENOUGH FOR A MAYOR TO SHOW UP. BUT WE HAVE THIS TRADITIONAL CAREER POLITICIANS THAT WANT TO STAY EIGHT AND TWELVE. THEY BRING TOO MUCH POWER AND THEY NEED TO BE LEVELLED. I'M GLAD THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING THIS. AND IF YOU CAN PUT A NOTE THERE FIVE YEARS NO REELECTION TO THE VOTERS, THAT WILL SOLVE ALL THESE PROBLEMS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT. THERE'S TWO OF THEM. TO P-24-3. THE FIRST IS ON PAGE TWO LINE 25 STRIKE 90 AND ADD 180. AMENDMENT CHANGES DURATION OF WHEN SOMEONE CAN SERVE FROM 90 DAYS TO 180 DAYS. FEEDBACK FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. AND THAT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. BEFORE WE GET TO A VOTE ON THAT. JUST TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THIS PROPOSAL AS AMENDED, WHAT THE CHANGE WOULD BE FROM THE CURRENT LANGUAGE RIGHT NOW. ON HIRING THE CHIEF, CURRENTLY, IT'S ADVISE AND CONSENT WITH FIVE VOTES. THE PROPOSED CHANGE IS NOTHING. WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING AS FAR AS THE HIRING OF THE CHIEF. THE REMOVAL OF THE CHIEF. IT'S A FOR CAUSE OF SIX VOTES. THE CURRENT CAUSE FOR CAUSE IS SIX VOTES. THE PROPOSAL IS FOR CAUSE BY THE MAYOR OR FOR CAUSE AND SEVEN VOTES OF THE COUNCIL. AND THEN BECAUSE THERE'S NO PROCESS FOR DETERMINING CAUSE, CURRENTLY, THIS ADDS THE CAUSE DETERMINED BY THE INSPECTOR GENERAL. STRAIGHTFORWARD. THOUGHT A COMPLICATED CHANGE BT CLARIFYING CHANGES TO IT. THAT'S WHAT THE TWO AMENDMENTS DO. THE FIRST AMENDMENT, THAT'S MOVED AND SECONDED. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE FIRST AMENDMENT? THIS IS ABOUT CHANGE OF 90 DAYS TO 180 DAYS. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU WHERE MR. PRESIDENT. I'M CURIOUS ON THE -- I DEFINITELY THINK MORE TIME IS BETTER. I'M NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT. I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW IT WOULD BE HANDLED IN THE SITUATION WHERE POLICE CHIEF OR AFR CHIEF LEAVES AND SAY THE CURRENT MAYOR HAS FIVE MONTHS LEFT. HOW WOULD WE GET SOMEONE TO TAKE A POSITION IN THAT SHORT OF TIME? KNOWING THAT WHEN THAT TERM IS UP, THEY'RE OUT. I WORRY ABOUT HAVING ANY MINIMUM LENGTH OF TIME. AND I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ON HOW THAT WOULD WORK. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. WE HAVE EXPRESSED IN OUR COMMENTS THAT WE FIND THE 90 DAYS OR EVEN THERE'S A COMPROMISE OF 180 DAYS IN THE AMENDMENT, BUT WHAT WE KNOW IS OUR LAST NATIONAL SEARCH TOOK US NINE MONTHS TO COMPLETE THAT NATIONAL SEARCH. A THOROUGH SEARCH FOR THESE POSITIONS IS IMPORTANT AND CRITICAL. WHETHER YOU'RE DOING NATIONAL SEARCH OR NOT. IT WOULD BE CHALLENGING TO HAVE A POSITION WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO ATTRACT A NEW CHIEF TO EITHER OF THESE POSITIONS WHICH SUCH A SHORT TERM WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT NINE MONTHS THE ABILITY TO SERVE IN AN INTERIM BASES AS WE SUGGEST WOULD BE NINE MONTHS WOULD BE A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME SO WE WOULD BE IN A POSITION TO ENSURE WE CONTINUED WITH LEADERSHIP AND CONTINUITY IN THAT POSITION. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? THIS IS FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. I'M SORRY, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS WOULD BE FOR THE ADMINISTRATION. NORMALLY WHEN A CHIEF LEAVES, YOU PROMOTE WITHIN. YOU DON'T FIND SOMEONE, ESPECIALLY WITH FIVE MONTHS LEFT. THERE'S 180 DAYS TO PROMOTE AN INTERIM CHIEF AND IF GOES PAST 180 DAYS YOU GRAB WITHIN AGAIN. IS THAT POSSIBLE? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I BELIEVE THE SCENARIO YOU DESCRIBE IS POSSIBLE. YES. BUT THE SCENARIO THAT SAYS THAT INTERIM CAN ONLY BE FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME IS CONCERNING. THEN YOU HAVE TO TURN OVER YOUR INTERIM POSITION FOR SOMEONE ELSE OR -- AND THAT JUST CREATES TURNOVER. IF YOU'RE IN A LONG SEARCH AND YOU'RE WANTING TO DO A THOROUGH SEARCH YOU WON'T WANT TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE YOU CHANGE YOUR APPOINTMENT EVERY 180 DAYS DURING THAT SEARCH PERIOD OR AS SOON AS YOU REACH 180 DAYS DEPENDING ON WHICH VERSION IS INCLUDED IN THIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO SUSPEND THE RULES TO 11:20. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOVED AND SECONDED. SUSPEND THE RULES. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES ON A 7-2. SECONDED BY COUNCILOR GROUT. 6-3. ALL RIGHT. BACK ON FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. OTHER DISCUSSION ON FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE? THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. THIS IS STRIKE PAGE TWO LINE 30 THROUGH PAGE THREE LINE THREE. ON PAGE TWO, ON LINE 30 ADD IT POLICE AND FIRE CHIEF MAY ONLY BE REMOVED BY CAUSE OR FOR THE MAYOR OF TWO-THIRDS OF THE CITY COUNCIL AFTER CAUSE HAS BEEN DETERMINED BY THE INSPECTOR GENERAL. SAME PROCESS OF REMOVING THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND FIRE CHIEF TO DETERMINE CAUSE AND EITHER THE MAYOR OR COUNCIL MAY REMOVE WITH TWO-THIRDS PLUS ONE VOTE. THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THOSE OF YOU THAT HAD SUGGESTS AND INPUT SINCE WE INTRODUCED THIS, THERE WAS AN INPUT TO MOVE IT TO SEVEN, WE DID THAT. IT WAS TO ALLOW THE MAYOR WHO DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO REMOVE THE CHIEF ACTUALLY HAS THAT WITHIN THIS. AND SO, GOOD EXAMPLE OF THOSE OF YOU THAT DID HAVE SUGGESTIONS OF LOOKING AT IT AND READ THE BILL AND MAKING THE SUGGESTIONS AND MAKING SOME OF THE CHANGES. THAT'S AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. QUESTIONS? SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO? AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO MOVED AND SECONDED. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. I MOVE TO DEFER TO JUNE 3rd. MOTION AND SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES ON 7-2. WE'RE GOING TO THE COMPANION BILL NOW. WHICH IS ITEM J. R-49? OKAY. ADOPTING PROPOSITION TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE VOTERS NEXT JUNE ELECTION TO BE HELD FOR ARTICLE FIVE OF THE CHARTER IN THE FORM OF QUESTION DESIGNATED CLAUSE. I MOVE DO PASS. MOTION AND SECOND FOR DO PASS. WE'LL DO FLOOR AMENDMENTS. AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. I LOST -- HERE THEY ARE. THERE WE GO. OKAY. AGAIN, SIMILAR TO THE ONES WE DID BEFORE. ON PAGE THREE LINE FIVE STRIKE 90 ADD 180. MOTION AND SECOND FOR FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. BEFORE WE MOVE TO THOSE. LET'S GO TO THE SPEAKER. >> WE HAVE LISA, BUT I DON'T THINK SHE'S STILL HERE. THAT'S OUR ONLY COMMENTER. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. COUNCILORS, FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. ON PAGE THREE STRIKE FIVE, LINE STRIKE 90 AND ADD 180. THIS MIRRORS THE OTHER. ANY QUESTIONS ORDISCUSSION ON FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE? THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. THIS IS STRIKE PAGE THREE LINES 10 THROUGH 16. >> MR. PRESIDENT, CAN WE GET THAT COUNT AGAIN? >>COUN. LEWIS: RAISE YOUR HAND YES ON AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. THAT WAS UNANIMOUS. ON PAGE THREE LINES 10 THROUGH 16, POLICE AND FIRE CHIEF MAY BE REMOVED BY CAUSE FOR TWO-THIRDS PLUS ONE AFTER CAUSE DETERMINED BY THE INSPECTOR GENERAL. MIRRORS THE AMENDMENT ON THE OTHER BILL. QUESTION? MOVED AND SECONDED. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. BACK ON THE BILL. I MOVE DEFERRAL UNTIL JUNE 3rd. MOVED AND SECONDED. BY COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. JUNE 3rd. ANY QUESTION OR DISCUSSION? THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES ON A 7-2. >>COUN. BACA: MR. PRESIDENT. IF I MAY? I'D LIKE TO CLOSE THE LOOP ON THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION? >>COUN. LEWIS: I'M SORRY. GOT TO BE A MOTION TO DO THAT? >> I APOLOGIZE. I WAS READING ANOTHER MESSAGE. CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR BACA, WE'RE GOING TO GO -- JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WE'RE GOING TO ITEM K WHICH IS P-4. YOU CAN WAIT UNTIL WE MOVE THAT OR MAKE ANOTHER MOTION. >>COUN. BACA: AS LONG AS WE CAN DO IT BEFORE WE CLOSE THE MEETING. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. WE'RE ON P-4. ADOPTING A PROPOSITION TO BE SENT TO THE VOTERS OF THE 2024 ELECTION -- SEPARATION OF POWERS ISSUES UNDER THE CITY CHARTER. I MOVE DO PASS. MOTION AND SECOND FOR DO PASS. AND I MOVE DEFERRAL TO JUNE 3rd. SECOND BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE FOR DEFERRAL TO JUNE 3rd. AND THERE'S TWO SPEAKERS. >> WE HAVE JOHN FOLLOWED BY LAN. THANK YOU WHERE -- MR. PRESIDENT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE. MY VERY FIRST CITY COUNCIL MEETING. IT'S A PLEASURE WATCHING YOU DO THE PEOPLE'S BUSINESS IN THE DEAD OF NIGHT. I AM HERE REPRESENTING MYSELF AND CONSERVATION VOTERS NEW MEXICO. THIS IS AN EXTRAORDINARILY TROUBLING PROPOSAL. WE ARE DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT GIVING THREE UNELECTED PEOPLE THE ABILITY TO -- WE BELIEVE THIS FLIES IN THE FACE OF OUR DEMOCRACY. THIS CONFERENCE COMMITTEE HAS NO REQUIREMENTS TO ENSURE IT'S REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COMMUNITY WHICH FOR A CITY AS DIVERSE AS OURS SHOULD BE UNACCEPTABLE. EVEN WORSE THERE'S NO REQUIREMENTS THAT THE APPOINTES HAVE BACKGROUND OR CASUAL KNOWLEDGE OF POLICY LAW OR CHARTER. WE ARE CONCERNED THIS PROPOSAL WOULD RESULT IN AN ANTI- DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM. ONCE AGAIN, WE ASK YOU TO PLEASE VOTING NO ON THE PROPOSAL. >> NEXT IS LAN, BUT WHERE DO NOT SEE HER. THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. THE BILL IS MOVED. AND IT'S ALSO MOVED FOR DEFERRAL. JUST TO BE REAL CLEAR ON THIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: WE'RE REQUIRED TO SEND COMMITTEE MEMBER. TO THIS CONFERENCE COMMITTEE. THAT'S WHAT IT DOES. IN THE FUTURE, THAT BOTH THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR CONTINUE TO IN GOOD FAITH BRING PEOPLE THAT REPRESENT US FOR THE SPECIFIC PURPOSE OF THAT CONFERENCE COMMITTEE. THAT'S THE EXPLANATION. THERE'S NO AMENDMENTS TO IT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE PROPOSITION? COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST WANTED TO ASK WHEN WAS BOB WHITE ADDED TO THIS COMMITTEE? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, WE SENT THAT NOMINATION DOWN IN THE -- I'M SORRY THE APPOINTMENT DOWN SOMETIME IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS. I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT WEEK. >> COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, I ALSO DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATE. IT WAS APPROXIMATELY A WEEK AGO. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU. A WEEK AGO. IAGE I JUST WANT EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND THAT. WE'VE BEEN ASKING FOR THAT THE WHOLE TIME I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL. >>COUN. LEWIS: AGAIN, MOVING FORWARD, I THINK THIS IS GOOD GOVERNMENT. JUST REQUIRING THAT THE PARTIES HAVE A TIME PERIOD TO BE ABLE TO APPOINT SOMEBODY AND AGAIN WE'RE PUTTING THIS BEFORE THE VOTERS. I THINK THERE'S NOTHING MORE DEMOCRATIC THAN LETTING THE PEOPLE DECIDE. I TRUST THE VOTERS. IF THEY WANT TO RUN THEIR GOVERNMENT IN THIS WAY. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST WANTED TO HEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION ON THIS ONE. THIS IS ONE THAT I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO ANY EXPERTS ON BECAUSE WE'RE MOVING THIS SO QUICKLY. I'D LIKE TO GET THE ADMINISTRATION'S INPUT ON IT. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, THANK YOU. I THINK THAT MY -- THE ADMINISTRATION'S CONCERN RELATED TO THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT IS INSERTED WHEREIN WHICH THE OTHER BODY WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPOINT THE SECOND MEMBER TO THE BODY THAT IS FUNDAMENTALLY SUPPOSED TO WORK TO ENSURE WE HAVE REPRESENTATION FROM BOTH THE -- BUT ELECTING A THIRD PERSON TO MEDIATE, MITIGATION, ARBITRATE, WHATEVER THE RIGHT WERE WORD IS FACILITATE. THE BOTH OF THOSE POSITIONS ARE APPOINTED BY ONE OR THE OTHER BODY THEN YOU THROW THE BALANCE OF THIS COMMITTEE'S INTENT OUT OF PLACE. THAT DOES NOT CREATE BALANCE OF COUNCIL AND ADMINISTRATION, THEN HAVING REPRESENTATION WITHIN THE COMMITTEE. I UNDERSTAND THE GOAL AND OBJECTIVE IS TO PUT PRESSURE OR -- LET ME TRY TO THINK OF THE WORDS I USE WITH MY CHILDREN, ENCOURAGE THE APPROPRIATE APPOINTMENT TIME FRAME. HOWEVER I THINK THAT IF YOU HAVE A SITUATION IN WHICH YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO CREATE A BALANCE OF THE COMMITTEE HAVING THE OTHER BODY APPOINT THE SECOND PERSON ACTUALLY FUNDAMENTALLY UNDERMINES THAT GOAL. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: WHEN YOU SAW THE BILL, AND THEN YOU MADE A DECISION TO APPOINT SOMEBODY TO IT, THAT TOOK ABOUT A WEEK, I THINK. I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY TAKING ANY MORE THAN A WEEK TO APPOINT SOMEBODY AS YOU ALREADY DEMONSTRATED. SO THEREFORE, THE OTHER PARTY APPOINTING SOMEBODY WOULDN'T EVEN MATTER. YOU APPOINTED SOMEBODY IN A WEEK WHEN YOU DECIDED TO. AGAIN, I THINK IT'S A GOOD POLICY FOR FUTURE ADMINISTRATIONS AND FUTURE COUNCILORS. WE'RE GIVEN 45 DAYS TO APPOINT SOMEBODY YOU DID IT IN SEVEN DAYS. COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ON THIS? ALL RIGHT. THAT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. FOR A DEFERRAL TO JUNE 3rd. I MOVE DEFERRAL. THE SECOND IS COUNCILOR GROUT. MOVED AND SECONDED FOR THE DEFERRAL TO JUNE 3rd. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. MOTION PASSES 8-1. LAST ONE IS COMPANION BILL. THIS IS R-50. COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, GO AHEAD. IF I CAN SAY SOMETHING AFTER THIS BILL HAS BEEN DEFERRED. >>COUN. LEWIS: ADOPTING A PROPOSITION TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE VOTERS AT THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE FOR THE CITY CHARTER IN THE FORM OF DESIGNATION CLAUSE FOR SUCH QUESTION ON THE BALLOT. THIS IS A COMPANION BILL THAT PUTS IT INTO THE ORDINANCE. WHERE MOVE A DO PASS. MOTION AND SECOND FOR DO PASS. I MOVE DEFERRAL TO JUNE 3rd. MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR GROUT FOR DEFERRAL TO JUNE 3rd. ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? >> OUR LONE SPEAKER HAS LEFT FOR THE EVENING. NO COMMENT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION ON THIS. COUNCILOR, THIS IS THE TIME TO DO IT. NOTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA. YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON OTHER BUSINESS? OKAY. DEFERRAL IS MOVED AND SECONDED. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES ON 8-1. THE MOTION WAS A DEFERRAL TO JUNE 3rd. MOVED AND SECONDED. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES, RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. THE MOTION PASSES ON AN 8-1. IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS? COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I MAKE A MOTION TO PULL R-24-58 OUT OF THE FINANCE AND GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS AND PLACE IT ON THE JUNE 3rd FOR ACTION. >>COUN. LEWIS: HOW MANY VOTES DO WE NEED? SUSPENDING THE RULES IN ANY WAY? FOR FINAL ACTION ON JUNE 3rd? OKAY. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? WHO SECONDED IT? SECOND BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. THAT MOTION PASSES ON 6-3. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR PEÑA, YOU CAN TAKE POINT OF PRIVILEGE. >>COUN. PEÑA: I JUST NEGLECTED SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT. I NEGLECTED TO THANK -- I THANKED HER ON THURSDAY. THAT'S MADAM VICE-PRESIDENT GROUT. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING AND ALL OF YOUR ASSISTANCE. I REALLY APPRECIATED YOU HELPING ME. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST NEED TO CLARIFY A VOTE THAT WAS OUT OF THE ROOM AND I BELIEVE IT WAS 44. IS THAT CORRECT? R-24-44. >>COUN. LEWIS: YOU WERE OUT OF THE ROOM? >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES, I WAS OUT OF THE ROOM AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE I WANT A YES VOTE FOR THAT. >>COUN. LEWIS: I GUESS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CORRECT ON THE RULES. >> COUNCIL WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER. YOU CAN SAY YOU INTEND TO VOTE YES. IT WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE AND YOU WEREN'T THERE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: NO, WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE A VOTE TO RECONSIDER. >>COUN. LEWIS: THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.