[music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] >> Mhm. Mhm. >> [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] [music] >> in order for April 16th, 2026. First item on the agenda is citizens comments. Shanita, do we have anyone wishing to speak to the council? Yes, we do. Mr. Yasser Arafat, and you have 3 minutes. Okay, well, thank you so much. I am here today to speak on on behalf of my community. Uh we have been trying to get a cemetery in Irving for a long time, and uh uh I I think most of you I know. I've either uh worked with you guys in ICVB, and or I have known you guys outside of ICVB. So, I think this is a very important project for our community. Um and I can tell you guys my personal story. My daughter, she passed away in 2013, and she was my first uh baby, and we did not have any cemetery in Irving. So, she had to be buried in Denton. And uh in order for us to go to Denton, you know that it takes a while. I think first of all, you have to drive for 45 minutes, get there, and then um it's like a full day program that you have to do. So, I think that thing stuck me really, really bad, and I was like, "Okay, what can we do for the other families in Irving?" So, as far as our community is concerned, I think we only had two choices. One choice was Denton, the second choice was Farmers Branch. So, I looked at the state law. I think the state law was changed in 1970s, where you could not build any new cemeteries in the state of Texas, and most of that land was taken over by corporations at that time. I worked with Terry Meza's office. Uh it's a long story. I think it took us almost 4 years to get the state law changed, and finally, uh I think the first cemetery was in Arlington. That was a historical cemetery, and it was reactivated, and the community started using it. So, I was I was very happy and very proud of it that, you know, we worked with our legis- legislators, and make that happen. Now, I think uh the the next thing came to what can we do in Irving? So, there is one piece of land that we have identified, and I think it's it's right next to Estelle Creek Cemetery, which is a historical cemetery. Uh it's a very quiet place. I think very nice place. 30 seconds left. And and I will I will be very happy if you guys can help us rezone that that piece of land. I think it will be in Irving. It will help our families. Uh it can uh save us a lot of time. We usually take the uh take the bodies to the mosque. We pray on them, and then take them to the graveyard. So, I think it will be an amazing experience for our children, for our uh families and loved ones. So, that's all I had to say. I will appreciate your support. Thank you. Next item. Next [clears throat] item on our agenda is a citizens item. City operation update. Good afternoon, Mayor and council. April Riling, director of communications, pleased to present to you the last month on ICTN for March. >> [clears throat] >> Your ICTN team produced 40 videos in the month of March. >> [music] >> Our steaks are really popular, especially the filet. Um pizzas are a great [music] seller. We do a lot of pizza. This is the North Texas Teen Book Festival, which [music] is for authors one of the most like coveted, you want to be invited [music] to this festival. Everything from quality of life to infrastructure, your feedback helps guide the city's long-term strategy and priorities. It's better experience, I think, than just buying directly online where you can't touch and feel. They added the butterfly, and it's sized where you can stand in front of the butterfly and near the butterfly. We have the world's greatest Eagles tribute band, Seven Bridges. We've had them here before, and we had a lot of requests to have them back. A new year-round indoor aquatic facility is replacing the old outdoor pool. [music] This silly fence has been here for years. It's never been a problem before. We don't mean to make problem. So many people have been saying, "We've been waiting on this coffee shop. We're so glad to have you." It makes me feel really proud to be a part of the city, to be a part of this opportunity. Three. >> [cheering] >> This This crazy. It's not something that I ain't going to imagine. Stay up-to-date by subscribing to our YouTube channel at youtube.com/thecityofirving. [music] All right, thank you. Yes, sir. Next up, the popular annual financial report, hot off the press. Mayor and Council, thank you. Brett is showing that off, my Vanna White. This is a collaboration between the Communications Department and our Finance Department. [clears throat] This is our sixth edition of the PAFER, and um so far we have won awards for the past five. So, you're looking at another future award-winning edition of the annual report. It includes uh many, many financial highlights. It talks about the vibrant economy in Irving, uh accomplishments for the past year, as well as a look ahead with some projects that are upcoming. Um this [snorts and clears throat] is going to be available online starting next week for our residents. There are going to be copies available at City Hall, and anybody in the audience, there's copies at the table outside of the work session room, and you're welcome to take them. Um you are officially the first ones to get those in your hands if you do take them. So, um I'm pleased to present this to you once again, Mayor and Council. We had uh this morning [clears throat] we were talking about it both the meetings we had uh earlier about the the costs of of increasing and in the inflation prices, and then we also talked about breaks where we had emergency repairs and things of that nature. And Dennis, I'm not going to take his credit for this cuz he's the one that asked said something about it. It would be maybe one of the things that'd be kind of interesting to put in here is the emergency repairs that we see within our city because, you know, it cost us a thousand or a million bucks to fix the wall in it, you know, which is wasn't in the budget. So, you have to come up with those kind of dollars several times a year. We've had sewer breaks that cost us five and six million dollars, and so uh and then the other thing that was kind of interesting was when we were looking at the roads to the future, and we were looking at the cost, the pipe that we put in the ground has gone up 198% in the last 2 years. So, just to for the residents to understand that >> [clears throat] >> uh even though we we try to stay on budget, and we we try to get everything done, when there's a million-dollar hit, that means there's a million dollars less we don't spend. We had a list of roads today that I I don't think we have to go into this type of detail that we weren't be able we will not be able to do as we planned because of the inflated costs, that so we'll have to go out for another bond package to do that. But, I think more than explain all that, but to just say uh and through all this we've also had these emergency things that we had to to uh fix. And Dennis, I don't want to steal your credit on that cuz that was something you you talked about because everybody always talks about managing our budget, and we spend too much, we don't spend enough, or we need to run it like this or that. But, uh I don't think they they're understanding of a 50 billion-dollar operation that you get million and million to six million-dollar hits that aren't in the budget on a on a regular basis. So, it'd be kind of interesting. Again, not all the detail I just went into, but just to say and these are the challenges we faced because of uh out of the budget items to uh give them an idea of of what we really spend in time and and things of that nature to do that as well. I don't know, it may not be uh Dennis, you may want to >> Yeah, and I was just simply when I looked at this, I thought it'd be real nice if we had maybe like a semi-annual report given to the residents of the unexpected expenses, you know, that we never expected. So, they can see the millions of dollars that actually uh are spent that they never think about. Um and so it also I kind of put this plug in in the T&R meeting, uh it also helps everybody to understand why we need to be very active in Austin uh as Austin tries to continues to reduce our revenue abilities and put expenditure caps on our expenses. But, they don't think about these type of uh emergency expenses that we have. So, that That's That's what I want the residents cuz we're going to need the residents to help us. Uh and so the more educated they are, you know, about all these expenses, the better off we'll be. Good idea. We'll do it. But, great report. I've looked through it since it came out. You know, I appreciate all the information. I think it's very telling, and uh great job. Thank you. All right, the next uh item is I've got a proclamation. So, I have some some people from the officers that are here for Telecommunicators Week. Chief, you can come up here and smile with them. You know, >> [clears throat] >> one of the things that people don't realize is the amount of work and the amount of energy and the and the commitment that these individuals uh make because they are the ones when they get the the calls, they are the ones that make sure that they reroute everything to where it needs to go, and people are taken care of when they're in in a challenging situation. So, uh the Telecommunications Week, we have a proclamation. Whereas National Telecommunicators Week was formed formalized in 1994 by President Bill Clinton, establishing the second week of April for the annual observance to honor emergency telecommunicators' vital, often unseen work. And whereas the emergency telecommunicators of the Irving Police Department are trained, licensed, and often the first point of contact in an emergency in an emergency, who display professionalism and composure in every situation with their calm and resilient voices. And like robberies and accidents, play a vital role in public safety, and whereas these unseen heroes ensure the safety of Irving's residents, businesses, and visitors, connecting them to life-saving resources at a moment's notice. Now, therefore, I, Rick Stopfer, Mayor of the City of Irving and the Irving City Council, do hereby proclaim April 12th through 18th, 20 26 as Telecommunications Week in Irving, Texas. Congratulations. >> [applause] >> Thank you. >> [laughter] >> So, I >> [clears throat] >> I asked one of them if they wanted to say anything, and they declined. Uh well, it's interesting cuz they talk for a living, so. Okay, the next item is the Entertainment Center update. Thank you, Mayor. Mr. Eric Albert uh with the who's the general manager of the Toyota Music Factory is here to provide their an annual report and update on the Toyota Music Factory. Eric. Thank you, Mayor. >> Eric. How we doing, guys? Good. Awesome. Bear with me for 1 second here while I get set up. >> So, I'd like to go ahead and start off by just a announcing GGP here. So, GGP is Brookfield. Um just for those of that we've had a brand change. Um nothing has changed on our side. We were Brookfield Retail. Um the retail division has just gone back to GGP. So, if you ever hear us say GGP, we're it's Brookfield. So, I'd like to start out most importantly with just thanking all of our partners for over this last year. We've had a big year this year um this last year. And so, our partners over at Economic Development, um our partners over at um IPD and FD, along with um our city council here. Uh we had a really good year. I'm really excited to show you guys kind of what we're looking at. Um I also want to just importantly um just thank Mayor Rick um for his leadership and ongoing partnership. Um we truly appreciate you. Thank you. So, I'm going to keep this very high level and focused on the areas that matter most. We'll start with um this quick executive summary of performance and then we'll move into visitation trends. And I think it's really important for the city council team to see who's coming to Music Factory, how are they interacting with the property, um and over what districts are we actually seeing people come from. Um I think you'll be pleasantly surprised um when you start to look at the data as we drill in on this. Um and then we'll touch on capital investments, um our programming strategy, and then a forward look going forward of just how we're looking for 2026 and moving forward. So, last year quick high level summary here. We had 1.6 million annual visitors. Um strong visitation and continued growth reinforcing TMF as a regional destination and a place making anchor. Um we had 320 plus total events delivering high frequency event calendar supporting ongoing activations of the asset and establishing a predictable cadence of programming. Something to call out there is that it's about 80 pavilion events and 242 plaza events. We also had about uh little over 70 million in total sales, which is a strong tenant performance given um driven by a curated experience focused on tenant mix and demonstrating the property's ability to translate activations into economic impact. We also had capital investment of about $3 million um utilizing strategic reinvestments into the asset to support long-term performance and guest experience. Um I think that all of these results here just um reflect a disciplined approach to place making activation asset management. This is the whole year um in a nutshell right here. Um One thing that I really do think is that this is driving consistent visitation, supporting tenant performance, and reinforcing TMF as a high performing regional destination to the city. So, looking at our visitation overview. So, this is Placer AI. If you guys are unfamiliar with Placer AI, um this is a it tracks cell phones. Um so, everybody that's coming to the property, um there it's going to give them a cell phone ping and it lets us know that they're on property. Um it's a little Big Brother, but um we definitely since we don't have any other occupancy way to track people, um we definitely feel that this is the most accurate way. But, as a reminder, this is just a tool. Um it's not going to be 100% accurate, but it gives us really good data. So, for Toyota Music Factory, you can see that there's three um different assets there. Toyota Music Factory, the pavilion, and the plaza. Each one of these tell a little bit of a different story. 1.6 million visits for Toyota Music Factory with a 2.3% growth year over year. Um so, that's coming right out of the redevelopment. The pavilion of 516,000 visitors. I've got less than eight um sorry, they uh year over year is down 8.9% unfavorable. Um a lot of this is going to be due to the fact that they had 99 shows the previous year and only 80 shows the following year. So, last year we only had 80 shows. Five of those shows were due to some economic impacts with um immigration um where they weren't able to get these artists to the actual building. So, we had some of that. And we also had a slowdown of actual attendance um just with what we saw across the board with discretionary spending. Um plaza as well. This is probably the biggest one and the most important one here for our city council team is that we had 134,000 visits to the plaza. It was 113% pickup um on the plaza. Now, this is where we redeveloped and did the most recent redevelopment of the plaza area. This is due to um very specific marketing efforts and activation efforts. So, the one thing I want to call out here is that the pavilion really does drive attendance at the and it's probably one of the primary drivers of attendance and visitation to the property. Yet, Toyota Music Factory still maintained a 2.3% growth rate despite the the the downfall of the pavilion's less shows. And that was due to the plaza. So, I think the plaza has really transitioned as a second major asset and a anchor for the property as we continue to move forward to help with visitation on property. So, looking at this graph here, you can see that overall property performance Toyota Music Factory um approximately 1.6 million visits in 25. Um in 24 is 1.5 million. So, we're coming out of that um redevelopment stage right there. Um visitation show a clear seasonality with activity building through the spring [clears throat] and peaking late summer and early fall. And I think that's pretty important. You can see that as the pavilion grows, Toyota Music Factory grows. Um the plaza you can see kind of down there as being a subtle second um as uh draw for us on a property. But, one thing I really want to call out is that January through May, you can see that we have a little bit of a bump there. And that's from our partnerships over at ICC. And I want to thank Maureen and her all of her team and all the hard work that they do to help um collaborate with us and my team to collaborate with ICC. We get a lot of convention traffic right in the beginning of the year. And so, it starts out with convention traffic and then it goes into heavy Live Nation traffic into Q4, Q3, and then it kind of tapers out at the end of the year. That's not necessarily how sales always direct, though. Restaurants get very busy in Q4 with all of the um corporate demand that comes from corporate holiday parties. Um so, it's not necessarily correlated to how sales represent, but this is how visitation on the property. And then this one's pretty important. Um and I think it speaks to Music Factory here as well as that um we have a loyal and a casual guest. Loyal is just defined as somebody that's come to the property more than once. Casual is just they came one time. So, we had 873,000 visitors that are coming more than one time to the property. Um 150,000 to the pavilion and 52,000 to the plaza. And then on the casual side, it's 701,000 to the property, 366, and 82. Um I think the big call out here is that the difference between the pavilion's casual guest, it's a regional draw, and they're loyal guests. And so, how do we continue to keep attracting them to the property and bringing them back after they visited? These are all new guests that are coming for the first time. And then we have an opportunity to bring them back. This one I thought that would be pretty interesting for you guys to see. We are seeing strong local engagement. Um so, this is that dark area um that you guys see right there in Irving is going to be where all of our home locations. So, these are people coming from their home to Toyota Music Factory um where they're actually coming from. So, you can see we have heavy Coppell, Grapevine, Farmers Branch, very heavy in Irving. And then as it kind of spreads out, it's more regional draw. Um so, it's that's going to be all the pavilion and um all of those guests coming from a further um further distance. But, we do see a heavy south, a heavy north Irving. Um we also see a very heavy Coppell and Grapevine. And then we start breach into Farmers Branch. I think this shows that the the asset is being heavily utilized by those that are around us. This next one that you're going to look at is showing people coming from their work location to Music Factory. And this was actually pretty surprising. As we see Southlake and Westlake all the way grow um all the way out, we're still seeing those people coming from their work locations to Music Factory. Whether they're going to other businesses around us and then coming for business lunches, dinners, um are they utilizing um any of the tenants on property. This is a great sign. You can see that Irving still makes up the biggest um oh uh visitation there with uh Irving zip code five 75039 at 90,000 people or 5% of the total. Um so, Irving is still showing a really great corporate market for us and a really strong local market as well. So, some just some key insights is that we have a strong local base, 873,000 repeat visits demonstrating a strong local audience. Um Irving and Las Colinas zip codes remain the primary visitation drivers. Corporate market strength works um visitation increased from nearby corporate offices slightly year over year. I know that a lot of you guys might be wondering how is Wells Fargo doing across the street. We're seeing a 20% increase from across the street zip code to Music Factory. Now, the only thing that's changed is is actually just that area right there. It's going to be Wells Fargo. So, the only thing that we can actually put that to is that Wells Fargo's guests are coming over this way and their team members are. Um event programming drives activities. Pavilion shows remain the largest traffic driver. Um, strong correlation between concerts, vegetation, and tenant sales. And then plaza activations are performing. Um, so plaza continues to be a big focus for us. Um, as that visitation more than doubled year-over-year, activations help maintain traffic during non-concert periods. So, kind of going into our leasing updates. I did want to just It's not on the slide here, but wanted to go over real quick with you guys. Our total GLA, our gross leasable area, is currently standing at 418,000 square feet. Um, we are occupied 91%. Our vacancy is 8% and total occupants uh, right now are 22 tenants on property. Um, last year we had in 2025 two major um, openings, Punch Line Irving and Sushi Sakana. Uh, Punch Line has been a really solid um, tenant to the property. We had two sold-out opening nights with Dave Chappelle. They continue to bring in regional and local acts to the property. Um, are showing strong event turnouts and bookings. Um, this is not only a tenant that's producing um, sales and use tax, but they're also producing admissions tax. So, um, they are a great partner to the property that continues to drive economic impact. Um, Sushi Sakana was another one with strong brand brand and operator throughout DFW. Um, they are growing and focused on um, the capitalizing on ICC events, everything that's kind of going on around us. So, whether it be an event on property or it be ICC, they continue to capitalize on all of that. In 2026, this year um, I'm very excited. We have um, Roots Chicken Shack. Um, this is a Tiffany Derry concept. Um, she's been a winner of um, Top Chef. Um, and she's a good friend of all the major um, all chefs you can think of, the Gordon Ramsays of the world. She has a concept of um, called Roots Chicken. Uh, this is done really well in Plano and they're looking to franchise it. So, we've taken on their second location. Um, very strong operator and a great brand for the property. They're going to go into the B1 102 space. Tashan Indian Social is currently still being built out. Um, oh, they have secured their Michelin star chef. Um, this is Tashan Indian Social. They're going to be in the A2 100 building. This is probably looking like a late summer opening. Uh, they just opened their first um, uh, one of these concepts in Plano called Jonathan and it's doing really well right now. Um, also Roots Chicken Shack is probably going to look like an early um, mid-July um, early July um, for that opening as well. Big thing here is the 2026 leasing focus. I think over this last year, last couple of years, we've really kind of got a good understanding of how the property works, what the property needs, who's coming to the property. And we really need to focus on brand driven um, experiential dining and entertainment um, as well as the C1 building. Um, to put it out there, I know that um, we had Hospitality Alliance and they unfortunately did not make it. Um, but this was not an asset issue. It was a tenant issue. And I just want to kind of stress that as that finding the right tenants is so important right now. Um, the spaces at the C1 building are fully built out. They are showing beautifully. We feel very confident that we'll be able to release those spaces. We've had a lot of interest and we're trying to find the right major um, tenant to bring in to take over those spaces. So, that way we have more draw to the interior of the um, of the property. Going into capital updates. Um, we had some big capital updates last year. Um, we had landscaping improvements throughout the property and then our lighting BMS system. This was pretty important for us just from the fact that um, we do consume a lot of electricity with all of our lights and our night time activations. So, we finally have the ability to um, oh, control that and regulate it a little bit better. Um, it was a light year as we were coming out of the redevelopment of the plaza and the property. So, 2026 has become a big capital year for us. Uh, with Live Nation MEPs and system focus, we're figuring guest experience is really important for us, so a sense of arrival. And so, we're looking at everything from floors to HVACs. Um, you guys will start seeing um, oh, a lot of the um, heavy lifting being done over there as well as pedestrian walkway replacements. This one's pretty important. It's not a very um, fun one. It doesn't add a lot of oh, um, oh, it doesn't add a lot, but it's something that's very important from the stand standpoint of making sure that we're not having water intrusion to our tenant spaces and things of that nature. Um, LED board upgrades, you guys have probably seen this one throughout the property. This is about $3 million upgrade we did on property um, to update all the LED boards. And then we're got two more this year. It's going to be phase one of ride um, here ride share hill, we call it Uber Hill. This is um, going to be a three-year project. We're going to add lighting. We're going to be adding sidewalks and seating up to the Uber Hill area. So, that way guests that are going to use the ride share programs have a safe and well-lit area um, at night. The security bollards and thank you again to Economic Development, our friends over at IPD and IFD for all their help on this one. We are just about to sunset this and um, all this project will be wrapped up, but we are I think we're better than Fort Knox at this moment. Like we have some amazing security systems, which is a testament to um, the city and city manager as well as our city mayor putting this initiative in front of us to take it a little bit further and make sure that the guests that come to Music Factory are safe um, regardless of what situation it might be. And then programming this year real quick. Looking at the 2026 programming, we have focused on consistency and this is really important for the plaza. We are doing evergreen, so these will be events that are happening all the time. We have Factory Fridays, Sip and Sound Saturdays. We have our marathons and then our post Live Nation after parties. So, these are going to always happen on property every week as long as Live Nation's activation activating, we have a Live Nation after party. Every Friday, Saturday, we have um, Sip and Sounds and Factory Friday. And then we have our marathons. And now signature events, these are just a few to call out, but we have over 250 events planned for the year. We have St. Patrick's Day, Margarita Festivals, Oktoberfest, Tribute to Summer Festivals, and Second Saturdays. The one I didn't put on here because it's going to be more indirect um, on our part, is going to be World Cup. Um, we have been talking to all of our tenants about that and we've been putting um, it in their radar that any watch parties, anything that they're doing, we'd like to go ahead and make sure that we're putting out there. So, we are working with our tenants to have a plaza activation out there for World Cup during that time. We will be super busy with Live Nation. Um, just putting it out there, Dos Equis has um, opened their doors to watch parties during that time frame and so we're getting all of the additional events that would go to Dos Equis are coming to us at Music Factory. So, we are have a very heavy June and July calendar. Which is great for us. And then just looking at the review and outlook. So, kind of putting this all together, the property welcomed 1.6 million visits, maintaining strong and consistent performance year-over-year. Tenant sales reached 70, just over 70 million, reflecting continued growth year-over-year. Live Nation hosted 86 shows, um, sustaining a robust entertainment presence, a diverse mix of programming and strong local engagement. Um, the property hosted 320 plus events. Um, ongoing activations continue to drive um, ongoing activations continue to drive performance and visitor engagement. Two new tenants opened um, further enhancing the onsite experience. It's going to be one full service and one entertainment concept. And then just looking at the outlook. And these are the things that we're continuously looking at is just advancing the corporate and weekday engagement. Um, we have a really, really healthy business district and our tenants know that, that's why our full service restaurants do so well not only in Q4, but all throughout the year for lunch and dinner. Activate um, advancing plaza activations. We're going to continue to double down on this, making sure there's consistency and signature events there. Maximizing the pavilion strategy to increase um, kind of what we were looking at previously when um, we only have one-time visitors that are aren't coming back. These are all new guests to the property. How can we showcase Music Factory to them? And then expanding regional draw and executing the strategic leasing focus on big brand, getting um, oh, strong long-time operators, strong operators into the property. And that concludes um, the 2025. Any questions? Questions? Abdul. Thank you, Mayor. Um, just a quick question on this uh, we have 320 plus events. And what is the total revenue? It says tenant sales that includes the events as well or So, that in the 70 million is going to include live all tenants. So, Live Nation and restaurants. Okay. Um, and in your plans for coming months or next year, you know, we are going to have this free circulator coming in that area. So, how you are going to address that more traffic into into your facilities? Yeah, I'm actually working with the city council team right now and working with um, oh, select members here to under better understand how it will impact our operations. So, that way we can be better prepared for it. I know that currently we're in the vendor negotiation side of this right now. Um once that vendor is established by the city, our our intention will be to go to that vendor and start to see how we can incorporate um gathering their guests to Music Factory. And if we do in incur some um oh in um increase in um guest visitation, that we'll be prepared for it. Thank you. Al. Thank you, Eric. Good report, Eric. Thank you. It's looking up. Uh I guess I'd like you to look forward for the next 18 months cuz I know you have to measure where you come from and where you'd like to go. Can you give us a little preview where you feel the areas of strength are, but more importantly, um did you meet your goals? And what's it going to take for you to meet the ones that you're going to be hopefully proposing for the next 18 2 years? Yeah, great question, Al. Thank you. Um so looking forward, what we really see on our side is that we need to continue to focus on Live Nation. Um they are one of the biggest aspects to the property, but we also need to bring in strong brand on leasing. So there has to be a lot of negotiating going on right now. Um we need to really find the right tenants. We can't just put anybody in there. Um so taking time to really find those strategic partners that understand what Music Factory is. So finding um oh the talent that's grown up in Las Colinas as well um and Irving. So that way they better understand how Music Factory interacts. So over the next thing like 18 months, we're really focused on that. We're really focused on branding the property as a 17-acre mixed-use development, not just um live music. That you come here to activate to you come here to for Civic Center. You can come here like this weekend um bass fishing tournament. Um um oh we have everything from marathons to live music. And so really something important for us is to continue that consistency on Friday and Saturday nights activating the plaza and then focusing on our leasing strategy to make sure that we can secure long-term tenants. Um as you know, Al, um owning real estate here that uh we got to really focus on making sure that we have 10-year, 20-year tenants in these spaces and not five, six, eight. And then sorry, to answer your last part of your question was did we hit our goals? I think so. Um I feel very confident that on the operation side we did. Um there's a few things that we didn't see coming um as happens in real estate, but we were quickly able to pivot and we're able to start getting um traction back um on our leasing front. And most importantly on the operation side, I feel like we've done a really good job. Um our parking program is doing really well. We went to free parking last year. Um on non-event days, we're seeing great um success from that. Um Live Nation is very happy with what's going on on property. Um we're happy with what we're seeing from our current tenants on property. So I I I would say yes. Well, first of all, >> [clears throat] >> thank you for surviving the the remodeling that you had to go through cuz you know that I know that had to have a dent in your some of your projections. Um but I'm glad to hear you talk about really trying to bring in the kind of quality rather than to restaurant or whatever it might be as far as the retail side. And I want to really commend you for working with our local organizations, um the Ambucks, the um marathon, and there may be others, but at the end of the day, it's a real opportunity for everybody to be win-win, but it also shows your commitment to us at the local level meaning it here in Irving. So thank you. Absolutely, Al. Thank you. John. Thank you, Mayor. And thank you, Eric, for the presentation. Uh always a pleasure to have you down here and give us an update on the property and how it's doing. Um these are very promising numbers. Uh I would like to point out, you know, what you what you mentioned about the previous year, we had 99 shows and this last year we had 80 shows. So that's a about a 20% reduction in shows, but only a 9% reduction in uh uh in traffic. Yeah. >> So I mean we had fewer shows, but we had more people coming to those to each show if you sort of analyze it. >> Uh so even though even though that number is down, it's trending in the right direction once you once you take that into account. So and the activation of the plaza is uh tremendous. That's exactly what I wanted to see. Uh and you guys you guys hit that out of the park. Uh I did want to ask just for my own edification, the C1 building, is that the one across from the the stage uh where Scholes is? Correct. So it'd be the um oh that all be C1 right there. Yeah. Okay. Um yeah. The Okay, so this yeah, the C1 building. Uh very good. I was sad to see that uh that tenant didn't work out. Um I certainly enjoyed all the time I did get to spend there, but um that's how it goes. But uh good luck on the next tenant and I'm excited to see what you guys bring. And also wanted to uh express my appreciation for what you guys did with the parking program, especially. That made a huge difference for you know, for our residents uh to be able to go there and uh enjoy the evening and not have to worry so much about uh the validation and all that cuz it was that was a complaint that we heard a fair bit of um before you put that new program into place. So thank you. Thank you, John. David. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Eric, for being here. Uh where's the B1 building? B1 is going to be the Ethos Tower. So that entire the garage, all of that um right behind where Bar Louie is at. Um that kind of alley. Um they're aware right there. That's where they're going to go into for Roots. Okay, great. And uh I saw the Live Nation news I think a few days ago. Have you heard anything or is that any effect that you see in the future? I've been poking myself, um but the that from what I understand, it's all um venues that they own. And so in this case that they don't own this venue, um they're leasing it. Um oh it's not going to be affecting us from what I've been told um right now at this time. Um I think there's other assets within Texas that um it would affect, but I haven't been told that it will affect this property. Okay, thank you. Mark. >> [clears throat] >> Yeah, thanks, Eric. So the with the the C1 building, I think what you said was the strategy for identifying tenants uh um to make it those a bigger draw is identifying a particular tenant. Is that is that the main idea? Is to have a a tenant that would be like a widely known and be a draw? Is that Yeah, so yeah, and I'll go a little further on that for you, Mark. Um so what we've really looked at is just like in our in our malls that you would see, you'd have anchors on all the ends to draw people to different sides of the malls. Um it's very similar to um mixed-use real estate is if we have separate buildings and they draw people all around, we want people traveling along the property um and utilizing the property as not just destinational, but actually as walkable. Um so what we're looking at there is that we're trying to put big brands. So in A2, you got Alamo, you got Yard House. You've got Thirsty Lion um and Bar Louie all the way down A1 side. On the B1 building, we need to put a big brand in there and then a big brand um and when I say big brand, it really is strong operator that has a good um regional draw and has a good um oh um visitation basis. Um so we're looking for somebody that has strong AUVs um that can come in and help lift the property in that particular building. So it would be one and then you can build around from that. We're looking at regional and national. Um we're not saying that we're um not open to new concepts, um but we really want to focus on tried-and-true concepts. Um we we've seen that at Music Factory, a lot of um oh people have come in and they've tried to build concepts at Music Factory and they don't always work. And so we really want to focus on um strong concepts that um are working within the marketplace already. [snorts] Is is there more I mean more than that? Are you looking at um other other ways to uh draw um attention to that to the to the businesses that are in C1 like signage or anything else? Yeah, I I know that I know there's more there's increased signage. If you talk if you could talk about that, too. Yeah, so all the new LED boards, that's a big piece of it. Um oh all the new directories on the property as well. Um they're focusing on that. Um we also have the blades behind the C1 building. This one's pretty important. A lot of people go past Music Factory um every day and probably don't even realize it um because it's right off their 114. We put all those new blades in and all that signage on the back side of the building to help bring people um to that building. Um and so that way people know and they go, oh, what what is that? Oh, we got Alamo there. We have um Yard House. Um you know, what is actually this little development over here? I want to take a look at that. Yeah, that that I think that's going to be a big improvement. Um the um as far as like the the shows that are being offered by by Live Nation, do you do you have any influence on that or is it totally subject to whatever they decide? Yeah, I wish. Um oh but it is definitely um it's definitely Live Nation and um they're going to be booking based on um pretty much and it's not now not to put it all on Live Nation. It's also going to be on the band management and artist of where they want to go. Um what makes most economic sense for them um given whatever the tour costs might be or any of those types of things. So it's not so much that Live Nation might not be booking uh particular acts, it's that maybe the tour or the management of the tour um wants to go to bigger arenas or team up with different tours. So, it could be a number of factors um in those in those circumstances. So, I think that the tenant you're trying to draw into the C1 is going to be looking at the kind of shows that are being produced at the Music Factory, right? >> So, I think that uh a strong brand will see LiveNation as um oh the cherry on top. Um I think that um they're going to bring their their own guests. They're going to see how their guests interact. So, you know, I think we're looking at as looking at tenants that have um entertainment concepts to them. So, think of like a uh oh Pins Mechanical or think of like um a um a Dave & Buster's type deal where they have an activity to do um because that's like that's going to be the biggest draw for people that come out of an event um or people that are wanting to hang out on property longer, giving them something to do. And so, that's really what we're looking at for the C1 building um is somebody that um would be um like a Pinstack or, you know, something like that that could take over the entire building um and provide that oh um that activity on property. Okay. All right, thank you. Al. Yeah, let me Eric, let me uh ask you to kind of look uh at your competition around you, you know, Dickies Arena. Mhm. Uh now the uh uh Fort Worth and the Stockyards and they're coming on I think pretty strong. And you're seeing other [clears throat] activities, Grapevine Wine Festival, etc. Um as well as going uh towards Dallas and all. What's your sense of where you feel your uh sweet spots are that you can try to drive it. Uh obviously one whatever we end up doing with our putt-six will have some determination and >> Mhm. tell me what you're thinking. So, I kind of kind of give me a view of how you're looking at things. Yeah, absolutely, Al. I think um utilizing the entire property. Like let LiveNation do what they do best. Let them book their concerts, let them do their thing. Um but really focus on all of that regional draw that's coming to the property. How can we get them to come back? And then outside of that, it's really activating the property as a true civic center and a true destinational point. So, this would be through um kind of your point, like um a Taste of Irving, you know, these types of events, um looking at how we can do um big marketplaces and have more place-making within um the 17 acres. So, that way all the tenants um look at it and people are actually walking the property. Um and they get to see, "Oh, I didn't realize that was there." Oh, I I didn't realize they had a movie theater. A lot of people don't realize we have a movie theater there. So, I think as we continue to look at our plan, that's really what we're focusing on is how can we can we continue to find the people that are already doing this really well. And just like our convention center, they bring in new um oh um conventions that, you know, they want to grow and move into something bigger um but they're going to help them grow. So, let's find those um current activations that are happening in Dallas, that are happening in Fort Worth, and bring them over to Irving and have them use the Music Factory. Um oh bring their 1,000 people, bring it up to 5,000. Um oh we haven't told um our friends over at the Marathon Lazarus just um that they're two they've capped out just yet and they're bringing 7 to 10,000 people um for each one of these um events. So, I think that's where we'll see success, Al, is if we can continue to make consistent activations throughout the property. Any other questions? Uh I did get a chance to go up to Toshaun. Their uh owners have their opened their restaurant there. Uh we ran into them a couple different times at the at the Music Factory eating at different restaurants and and uh it is quite a experience. They do an amazing job. Yes. In in So, I think that's going to be a good addition to that area. Uh the one thing that concerns me is uh wasn't concern me was a one of the things I think about is I Do you have a long-term contract with LiveNation? Yeah. >> I don't need to know what it is or anything because cuz what I'm hearing is both the Stars and the Mavericks are talking about, you know, having a uh a 6,000 6 to 8,000 seat as facility adjacent to their arenas uh with a LiveNation component. And so, I'm just curious if we had a contract with them that if all of a sudden somebody offers them something, they can leave. But reality is if we have a contract, we have a contract. But >> Yeah, we have a a pretty good contract in play a lease agreement in place that um uh would prevent something like that, Rick. Awesome. Awesome. Well, I'm always amazed at any show you go to, it's full. Uh it's from the K-pop, which I have no idea why people are excited about it >> [laughter] >> other than my wife. Uh and uh you know, the the the Hispanic are always packed. It just amazes me. Uh uh you know, again, I don't understand a word they're saying, but uh they're a tremendous followings of each of the groups that they bring in. I'm always taken back at at the place fills up as fast as it does and you and you get people from different places. It's it's interesting every And I think the Punchline has done a real uh good uh component. We we've been there probably 10 times in the last since they opened and we usually go someplace to eat and it's amazing the people that come out of the restaurants and go to the first show and then the people come out of the restaurants and go to the second show. So, they are bringing in uh people to eat and uh I be involved in other places on the plaza as well. How that's it's it's working as a mixed-use development as what it was intended to do and that's the perfect example. So, thank you, Rick. You bet. Thank you. No other questions, we'll go ahead and move on to review of the regular agenda. Items two and three are minutes from the Thursday, March 26th meeting. Item number four is a resolution approving the purchase uh from single source uh provider uh Stryker Sales LLC in the amount of $402,532.12 for the purchase of four Stryker power-loaded and ambulance cot uh systems. Item number eight is a resolution approving first amendment to office lease agreement for the six-month extension of temporary housing of the City of Irving Police Department Family Advocacy Center at the property located at uh uh 500 East John Carpenter Freeway, Suite 250 owned by 500 EJC Office Owner LLC. Did I skip Did I jump from >> Yeah. That's what I thought. I went from one to seven. So, let's go back to four. I knew there was something in here that we're getting grants, so want to make sure I got that. Uh let's I skipped a page. Go back to four, which is resolution approving a grant agreement with the Texas Water Development Board and authorizing the city manager and chief financial officer as a designated representative of the City of Irving to execute a grant agreement for funding in the amount of $18,750,000 and approve other matters related thereto. Item number five is uh ordinance providing for the issuance of the City of Irving, Texas combined tax and surplus revenue certificates of obligation, taxable series 2026 and aggregate principal amounts of $51,250,000, awarding the sale thereof, levying a tax in payment thereof, prescribing prescribing the form of said certified for certifications, approving the private placement um memorandum, approving uh paying agent register agreement and one or more escrow agreements, and enacting other provisions there there there relating thereto. So, that means we're selling bonds, which is why we have the people sitting in the row right there. How are you guys today? All right. Um >> [sighs and gasps] >> Item number six is amending ordinance number 2025 11167 providing budget adjustment number four to the 2025-2026 fiscal year budget. I did seven and eight. We'll go to nine, resolution approving a professional service agreement between the City of Irving and Hole System Studio LLC in the amount of $128,900 for the Thomas Jefferson Park Redevelopment Master Plan. Um So, this is just the master plan that we're working on at this point. Sure. So, this is the uh design for that project. So, once we get the architect on board, then we'll start the community meetings and all those types of things to kind of inform um what that what that uh those improvements will look like. So, do we have a set dollars that we're going to spend on that park? Was there some money that we got from >> isn't a set amount. We have uh some money that would be available out of TIFF number one, but there's there hasn't been a specific set amount yet. I think we're waiting on the the public engagement phase to determine kind of what facilities would be. I just know that whole community is excited to do some stuff over there around the Gandhi and they they walk over there and I know you've we're replacing some sidewalks and doing some other stuff. So, I know that lighting and some of those things are so the community engagement part's going to be important for them to make sure that they get what they want, but thank you all for moving forward on that one. Item number 10 is resolution ratifying the payment made to CCGMC LLC series B in the total estimated amount of 939 $739 for emergency payment repairs from the 900 block to the 1100 block on West Walnut Lane. That was the emergency repairs on the street. Item number 11 is resolution approving amendment number one to the economic development incentive agreement between the city of Irving and Envoy Air Inc. in the amount depending upon annual qualifications. That's uh we're excited to have that 10-year agreement with Envoy to stay in our city. Uh Appreciate John Nixon's work on that. Item number 12 is approving an economic uh development agreement with uh with uh Revolution of of Achievement LLC in the amount of 64,500 for the uh enhancement incentive related to the property located at 309 South O'Connor Road. Item number 13 is appointment to the Trinity River Authority TRA advisory committee for the central regional water wastewater system. Item number 14 is ratifying the payment made to SYB Construction Company Inc. in the amount of 160 uh thousand dollars for emergency repair to the 12-in water line on State Highway 161 and Walnut Lane. Uh items number 15 through 26 are the bids. Any questions on the bids? Item number My pages stuck together here for some reason today. Item number 27 is authorizing a partial abandonment and vacation of an 80-ft restricted utility easement and a 15-ft sight and utility easement along a portion of block located at 4050 Regent Boulevard and beginning on portion of lot one block A Citycorp North America first installment owned by RREF CPIF 4050 Regent Boulevard LLC. Item number 28 is a public hearing and designating approximately 8.3631 acres of land as an abate as a tax abatement reinvestment zone number 64. Item number 29 is approving a tax abatement between the city of Irving and Nevada Company corporate uh Mellanox Technologies Inc. in the amount depending upon the annual qualifications. Item number 30 is a resolution approving an economic development incentive agreement between the city of Irving and Nevada uh corporation Mellanox Techni- technologies Inc. and affirming in the amount depending upon annual qualifications. Item number 31 is approving a payment in lieu of tax agreements and authorizing the mayor to execute a letter of support to Nevada uh corporation Maxden Technologies Inc. and affairs to receive foreign trade zone designation at 1101 Valley View Lane. Item number 32 is a sign variance 2026-03-1593 considering a sign variance to allow one existing pole sign to exceed the maximum height property located at 2901 West Airport Freeway owner Don Herring Jr. Applicant Don Herring Jr. Any questions? We'll go to our zoning cases. Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead on. No, I just saw that's on 31 on the Lividia Corporation and the foreign trade zone. Can you uh put a light on that for me? Yes, I'm going to have Brian shed a light on that for all of us. Oh, Brian, bring the money. 28 through 31 are really the same Okay. item. This is there's there's various components and separate agreements that address different parts of it, but um you can address the foreign trade zone component, Brian. All right. So, again >> why I'm bringing it up cuz when I talked to the city manager, he's not in favor of free trade zone. So, I kind of wanted to figure out what we're doing, okay? Okay. So, what this is and again the first couple items establishing tax abatement zone and the EDIA relates to taxable um values. What the payment in lieu of taxes agreement allows for there? They've asked for the city to support them having a foreign trade zone, which could make a part of their BPP uh non-taxable. This is BPP that's going out of the country. And so, what we've done in the past is said, "Hey, we will support that. However, you must still pay the taxes that the city would have earned." And so, this is a little different in this one, but that is the point of it. On all our pilot agreements when it comes to forge we've only had one before and that's with Crane Worldwide. Well, we have two. We have Crane Worldwide and then we had um Uh I'm I'm not thinking of the name real quick, but we always have them pay the taxes that would have been to the city. So, the city doesn't get a loss. Yeah, the the first three items the purpose of 31 is to ensure that by granting them foreign trade zone status, we don't end up getting less than what we bargained for in the economic development incentive agreement. Let me I'm going to take that at it from a different angle, Philip. And that is uh are we starting to go down that road cuz we're going to see more of this I think coming at us because of international trade especially in in this hemisphere. And so, I'm not suggesting that we then consider free trade zone in and around the airport in our city. Um but it's something we ought to be thinking about and or should we have a special category for international uh movement uh whatever goods they may be, you know, what would be covered in a free trade Uh I guess I'm trying to figure out if we're going to do this one at a time, are we really setting ourselves up for setting a precedent? I guess is another way to look at it. >> Well, what actually happens is actually a benefit to us when uh foreign trade zone first of all DFW is already a zone foreign trade zone uh number 39. So, what these are sites that are outside of DFW. They're connected to DFW. They're not on DFW property. So, a lot of people who are doing international trade, they'll come they'll go do a deal straight uh DFW in which the city gets no tax revenue necessarily off of that. Um there's no property tax revenue on coming to the city on that. So, when a site is off the DFW property, not only do we still have opportunities for some BPP, we also have real property. So, from our side it is a benefit. So, if we ever get an opportunity to look at it, I think it's something we should consider cuz we get a better benefit than if they go to DFW straight to DFW, but yeah it could it it'll be a great problem to have if we had to look at creating a a bigger zone versus doing individual sites. It'll be a great problem for us to have. Yeah, and Philip you may have some comments on it cuz I know you and Brit also the money money man. Uh the reason I'm bringing it up is because not only do I think there's going to maybe other opportunities coming at us for obvious reasons, but I'm always somewhat uncomfortable in our relationship with the airport cuz they seem to get what they want whether we like it or not for obvious historical reasons as well as federal government. But I don't know, Philip, do you have any thoughts on this? I I I agree with Brian. I think a foreign trade zone allows us to negotiate very specific agreements to at least recoup a portion of the the taxes that we would otherwise uh foregone. If they went on DFW property, we get nothing. Um so, having the ability to negotiate something independent of DFW and at least uh make sure that we're made whole on city taxes is a benefit to us. Thank you. Thank you. That's right. May I have a quick question? >> For I'm going back to number 18 with the with Judge Fight. At some point are we going to get an opportunity to to talk to them about what they're going to be doing? Is Yeah, the the RFP that is currently out is closes on the 26th of 24th of this month. I don't know why I wanted to say 26th, but 24th of this month we'll review the proposals we've received and we'll be bringing those back to the council with a recommendation. The description of 18 sounds broader than that though. >> It is. This this allows us to use Judge Fite for real estate acquisitions and sales. It was a the original contract had a term that expires and we're this will extend the term for us one more year. Yeah. One more year. >> Okay, but there's nothing specific is identified for what they would be doing besides the RFP. Right. It's it's a it's a range of services that we will be able to use them for including acquisitions and and sales. >> Okay, thank you. Okay, Jocelyn. Good afternoon. >> Right. Good afternoon, Mayor and Council. Jocelyn Murphy, Director of Planning. We have seven cases for tonight. The first one is 406 Charles. It's a single-family property wanting to basically keep an accessory building that was built in the back that's within the side yard setback. Staff found no unnecessary hardship. P&Z recommend denial of 9-0. We have no opposition or support. So, it's just a single-family property here north of West 6th Street. So, here's the site plan. This is a accessory building someone built without a permit. It is a little over 12 ft tall, so it has to be over 5 ft. I believe it has to be let's see. I got the next slide. It has to be a I believe about 7 ft from the side setback and they're requesting it to be about 2 ft and 11 in. And so, that is what the variance request is here. It's just in order to keep this accessory structure within the side setback. So, this is the subject property. And just you can again kind of see through the trees the building. I believe this was a proactive code compliance case. That's how we found out about it. And this this was the this is the building. This is the an old building. And the side setback. And I'll be happy to answer your questions. All right. This is not a structure is not an ADU that somebody would live in. It's right right, Jocelyn? >> No, it just this looks to be a little small. They put a little porch on it for some reason, but this appears to be too small for any living. And is that in [clears throat] the like at the the P&Z there was a discussion about that it's not built on a foundation. It's just on a slab and it it could be moved. Yeah, that question was asked and it's not on a slab. >> And and the the applicant were they amenable to moving it? It's like 3 ft. Is that what that's what we're talking about? >> I believe she she said it could be moved. But she just wanted to proceed with it anyway, but it could be moved from what I understand. Okay. All right, thank you. Any other questions? Abdul. So, this is not the ADU, right? No, this is not an ADU. This is just storage. Just a storage? >> Mhm. Yeah, we would be really clear. >> no foundation? No, she she says there is not a concrete foundation. There's no plumbing or electric or anything to this one, I believe. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions? On to the next one. >> All right. So, the next two are companion cases. These were postponed or continued at the last hearing and so we we brought these back. We did have to re-notice because they changed their proposal after working with staff. So, the first one is a comprehensive plan amendment. This is a 200 and 300 North Rogers from local commercial to regional commercial. You'll see in a second there's two properties. This is only the east side property. Staff recommended approval. P&Z recommended approval 9-0. There was no letters of support. Just today we received an opposition letter from the South Irving Task Force. You should have it in memo. So, this again is the east side. This is currently the parking area for Southern Junction and they're in order to get the zoning that they are requesting if if you approve, they would need to change this to regional commercial to be consistent with their request. It is local commercial today. The reason it's local commercial is because of the the adjacency to Irving Boulevard. Staff was supportive of this because it allows them to develop the property while still being consistent with the surrounding uses. And I would like I'd go ahead and go to the zoning case. Al. Jocelyn, this isn't the same one. It is the same one that we've had discussions in the past because of the development that we're looking for along Irving Boulevard, am I correct? Cuz I noticed when I was coming in this morning there's a yellow sign out there to this referring to this application. Right. It's just right before you hit the bridge, this would have been right to the right. Um I'm still uncomfortable with this because at the end of the day it really opens it up for other kinds of structures that could be there whether it's a warehouse or or storing or should I say parking vehicles especially big semi's etc. cuz that was the same problem we had before. Did that discussion come up in this P&Z meeting where they're now approving it all? So, this proposal so the what I just went through a minute ago was a the comprehensive plan case. This next case will be the zoning case. >> Okay. Okay, got it. Thank you. >> So, I'll I'll if I still have >> okay? >> I'll answer your question if I haven't before. >> All right, great. Um so, the current zoning now is for Southern Junction. So, it's an REB base with a vent center and a farmers market. And they're requesting to have a the keep the commercial base. So, the community commercial zoning. Before what you had seen was an light industrial zoning base and so that was removed. And they're adding uses including automotive sales, accessory indoor storage a limited amount and accessory outdoor storage which should be a limited amount. So, this would also allow contractors yards and the uses that are similar to what are in the area today. So, staff did recommend approval. P&Z recommended approval 9-0. Again, no no letters of support and opposition from the South Irving Task Force. So, this does include both of the properties on the east side and the west side. They do intend to at this point to keep the Southern Junction building and reuse it. So, this is just our formal site plan. So, it's an SP2. It just keeps it just lists some of the uses. And so, it got the notes and and this is what a typical SP2 site plan is. But this is a blowup of those notes. So, it would be the base zoning of the community commercial adding contractors office and storage, but the storage area can't be over 49%. So, we did a 51/49 so that they could do like a showroom. Think of it like a home builders showroom where you look at the carpet or you look at tile or something in the public area in the back area they might store those products. So, we were permitting that. We just didn't want it to be more than half of the the building square footage. Also, again a commercial retail office showroom storage again not over 49% automobile sales. They could have indoor display, but only 10 vehicles could be outdoors. Commercial truck and trailer repair with indoor repair only. This is consistent with some of the uses that are out there can be no more than 25% of floor area of the main use or tenant space. So, we are limiting the amount of outside storage they could have. They would also figure out how to do outside storage and park. So, I don't know how they're going to park all the uses on this property and have outside storage. So, it's a pretty tight property. Again, any other indoor storage could be no more than 49% of a lease space with at least 51% being commercial activity and allowing outside hand washing of vehicles. And just some pictures of Southern Junction and the property. Again, fitting all those uses on here and their required parking is going to be a challenge for them. And this is the property on the east side that we're talking about. Here's Irving Boulevard as it goes up and over the bridge. And just some of the surrounding uses again a lot of auto uses, contractors yards. And I'll be happy to answer any questions. Questions. John. Thank you, Mayor. Thank [clears throat] you, Jocelyn. So, the So, I take it the comprehensive plan for the property on the west side of Rogers is compatible with the zoning case? Yes. So, it's it's a regional commercial which is consistent with the CC zoning. Okay, it is already regional. Okay. Um and then the percentages in the zoning case regarding, you know, indoor outdoor commercial all that. Mhm. Uh those are cumulative of the two properties? Or the I mean it's the one property, but that's cumulative of both sides, right? Well, it would be this would be for each tenant space. So, if there's a contractor's office if they if they use the whole existing building where Southern Junction is then no more than 51% you know or or no more than 49% could be storage. If they divide decide divide that up into three spaces, four spaces, this would apply to each individual use or tenant space. Each CO would have those requirements. So if you divide it up and you know one tenant only had 10% storage space that doesn't give the other tenants extra storage space. Well so it's not cumulative all of it. So if somebody has say 2,000 square feet and they just kind of put a dividing wall in between then you know no more than you know a little under 1,000 square feet could be storage and little over 1,000 square feet would have to be office. So it is based on the individual square footages of the tenants. So it's not the entire they wouldn't be sharing the 51 49. Okay. It'd be each individual tenant. Okay, thank you. >> [clears throat] >> Thank you Mayor Pro Tem. Jocelyn so this would effectively Southern Comfort would not or Southern Junction >> [laughter] >> Not quite yet. Not Southern Comfort yet. Would effectively not be able to operate anymore? They told us at P&Z they had one more event and they were closing. That's what they said at P&Z. Do we know if that's correct statement or >> They can answer it tonight but that's what they told us. >> Thank you. Any other questions? Okay. I'm glad you're No you go ahead. I know there was other comments about the from the Southern task force that about it being operated successfully as a entertainment business but the developer saying that it not been successful. So Yeah so um And then so this is somewhat of a compromise I guess that's being proposed but with the ability to mean sub but it It allows it to be economically viable for the for the for some time being but it can it can go back to more of a retail type of development at some point. Yeah it fully supports retail and commercial but giving a little bit of the heavier auto based uses. That's the thought. But they they've been trying to sell this for a couple years. We've got all kinds of people kicking tires of different uses of what they wanted to do. Okay, thank you. Okay, any other questions? >> [sighs] >> All right. I'll move on and see how we go tonight. The next one 4190 Valley Lane existing CC community commercial SP1 community commercial SP2 SP2 CO for commercial office and cemetery uses in Highway 161 overlay with a variance to the minimum size of a cemetery and interment setbacks. The staff recommended denial P&Z recommended denial 5 to 4. We have one letter of support that you should have under memo and no and not none in opposition. So here's the property on Valley View. This is I believe Walnut Hill. Estelle Road is a this was a former Estelle community and Estelle Road doesn't exist. It's basically a paper street. It's not been built. The city's animal shelter and animal shelter property is down here. So this is the proposed site plan. Of course last year the city council approved the cemetery regulations. One of the requirements was to show the proposed driveway. So around the edges as you have the proposed concrete driveway. This connection to Valley View Lane and some of the other details will have to be determined later. They're still working through the the access and some of the issues on the property. One of the variances is this is the existing Harrington Cemetery. It is separately owned and will continue to be separate separately owned and so since it already is a cemetery they requested a setback to not have to have that 20 foot buffer. And then of course the biggest variance is the required minimum lot size is 25 acres and this property is 4.76 acres and then there may the the usable amount of it will probably reduce once you get into the putting the driveway, storage areas and that type of thing. So this is the property from Valley View. This is a a drainage structure currently under Valley View. This is that this is the property this is the property to DFW Airport property. This is the Estelle Road right of way. This looks like from what we can tell is the access into Harrington Cemetery. It is state law that any cemetery has to have access for maintenance. So the family or anybody who maintains it has to have access. This is actually school Irving ISD property and then DFW Airport owns the property adjacent to the east. And with that I'll be happy to answer any questions. Aaron Council, I just wanted to you just for full transparency we typically take care of infrastructure issues, access, drainage at the time of platting. I will tell you there are issues related to access and drainage that we just don't know right now that could affect the viability of how this is developed. Trevor can probably speak to that more in detail but I wanted to be clear that that access point as I understand it is probably not going to work. And there is drainage on the property on an unstudied stream that will have to be studied to determine the boundaries of the flood plain. We don't know how much of the property would be affected by that. So again those are typically addressed at the time of platting but I wanted to make sure that the council is aware that those are kind of significant issues that we just don't have the answers to right now. And Trevor can answer any questions. Chairman real quick um I think if we can propose postpone this for 60 to 90 days so we can do a little bit more studying on that. I don't think it's baked ready for us to move forward. We have to look at the access points. We would probably recommend that they go up to Estelle and not use Valley View at all. And then we also have to worry about the flood flood plain flood zone where it's located. So still a lot of study or homework that we have to do on our side from public works but I'll turn it over to Trevor as well if he has any additional comments. Yeah I think I think they hit it on all of it but I can further explain if there's any questions or or items like that but there are some concerns. So we have flood plain concerns and access concerns. Now are those things we need to understand or or contact the core and No not the core. I mean the the problem with the flood plain is just like Phil said it's not a studied area. So I mean we know that there are some some issues there. I just don't know what they are if it's flood way if it's flood plain how much of it's in there how much you know if you can even develop it how much mitigation is going to be required. A lot of unanswered questions as far as the flood plain. The access point as it's shown right there would not be something we would approve. That that would require the city to build the infrastructure for their driveway which is not something we've been wanting to do just because if we ever had to get it one we don't want to have that cost to if we ever had to maintain it we would shut off their one access point to their property. So there are some you know some options but again we don't know which one is the best option yet and so you know I think we just wanted to be very transparent that there are a lot of things that still need to be vetted and and ran through before we could even consider if if this would work or not. So the main thing you're saying is that we can get a lot of this information done ourselves so it's not a cost uh to the applicant or the uh or the city other than our time that we have people on staff that can do it. So typically the developer would be the one when they come in they would be the one that would we would require them to do the study. As far as the access points I mean we could work with the developer to determine what what is the best area or what what is the best access points. Again the the Valley View is not not great just because of the easements we would have to provide them a a private easement or a an easement to get to their property. It's very limited to get into that property. It would be a a right in right out only coming down that way. You couldn't access it coming south on Valley View. So typically that would be something the developer we would require the developer to do and we would work with them through that process. Abdul. Thank you Mayor. Um I happen to um visit the site as well as I happen to have a conversation with the engineers and the applicant. Um Have we brought these concerns to their notice? I felt that they have all the answers to these questions. And I think they are here if you allow then probably they would give you all the answers needed. I'd rather do the discussions tonight. We don't typically have people come during the work session so that it's the public can hear what we're doing. Okay. But to answer your question we've had extensive discussions with the developer about this or their engineer the developer's engineer. So hopefully to to that point hopefully that will be part of their presentation tonight that they present to us. Yeah. So, um No, no, that that's good. We could we could get the all the answers what is needed, but this is also very important um especially to my district um this item. And I think when we started the the conversations about um the cemetery ordinance we thought about it, we go over with detail what is needed. You know, they have addressed uh some concerns to the security, they addressed some concerns of the payments and the drive-thru. Um they addressed um it's it's going to be a perpetual um cemetery to take care of the maintenance you know, once it's needed. So, all of those questions I think has been taken care and I would love to uh look forward to see those answers. And uh I think we should consider it very um you know, because to my knowledge, I know that this is under the contract. Delaying would not help because it will have a financial impact uh on the applicant. It's a non-profit work. >> [clears throat] >> I think they are trying to do their best to make sure that they will answer all the questions which you have. Thank you. Luis Yeah, I just wanted to follow up on what Philip said. I'm just giving you a little bit of a timeline cuz this this was postponed before. And then as I heard in the P&Z the applicant saying that if they really needed a vote that night and wouldn't want to as a dual reference to postpone it further. Obviously, it seems like there's important due diligence that you know, is not Yeah, that um done yet. Is that because the it's unplatted? So, we're just finding out now or recently or what's the timeline of that? >> The I think it was postponed before because there was a sign that that's required by state law that needed to be posted that didn't get posted, so it had to be pushed. That was the reason for the original postponement. I think what I'm trying to to be clear and transparent on is this is a land use case. It's a zoning question. And you're you're voting on whether or not to authorize the use of the property for this particular use. So, after that occurs, there is a platting phase where you have to look at infrastructure, access, and drainage. What I wanted to be clear on is there are issues related to access and drainage that we don't know the answers to that may have a significant impact on the usability of the property for the intended purpose. >> Which would be great for us to know. >> Right. And I I I I just I don't want to you know, if it's approved and then we're going through this process later and these significant issues are discovered, I didn't want that to be staff wide and to tell us. Yeah. Council is free to approve this tonight. I just want you to be aware that there are issues related to these infrastructure that still need to be worked through and some of them may be significant. We just don't know right now. Right. That's all. Yeah, I appreciate that. That makes a a lot of sense. Mark Hearing what Orlando and Trevor and Philip are saying, we're being you know, so just recently we went through and bringing in experts to advise us on what kind of standards we should set for cemeteries. And and this is this case is being we're being asked to like to deviate from those standards. And so, and hearing what what's being discussed is we don't know we have a lot of questions about what the access is actually going to be, what how much usable land there actually will be. So, these are these are very big big components uh of the of the of our analysis and they're unknowns. And so, like like Philip was saying, typically you talk about drainage and other issues at at platting, but this is one where it actually affects the consideration of the case at the very beginning. So, I think leaving it out makes sense. So, Jocelyn, you've had conversations so that they're aware that these are two two of our bigger concerns as far as access and drainage. I mean, I want to make sure that the the applicants know so that they can talk about those things tonight. Jim Dewey is our engineer. And so, he's been very engaged from the beginning with these discussions. Okay, I just I cuz I don't want to not have them have all the information so that they can answer the questions as they see see fit. Okay? Sure. No other Mayor or Clinton, Jocelyn, you know, this has got the Harrington Cemetery right in the middle of the land. Correct. Um I've looked at the land and the mayor and I've driven by there and what other possible uses ever would that land ever have besides a cemetery? Is you know, my question kind of are Looking forward. Well, that's one thing we often talk about just among staff is that a lot of the cases that that we see that y'all see are the hard to develop cases. All the easy properties have been done. Now we're in the hard stuff. We're in the flood plain, we're in the poor access. So, um yeah, it's hard to say what it could be. I mean, could there be an office there? Maybe. I mean, there could be a lot of stuff, but whatever went there would have these same issues. Um would have to work around the the cemetery, would have to work around the flood plain and access issues. And I and I see there's zero setback from the cemetery as well as a variance. Right. If uh maybe Jim can talk about that tonight as well and what's our you know, we have a the the 20-ft required. Is that a good or bad thing? I don't know. The 20-ft was put in there like if you are up against a commercial property or single-family subdivision just to give a little bit of a buffer. And also, you know, if there's an easement or something, that doesn't really apply here. And so, the thought was if there's already graves there, putting graves within that 20-ft boundary would not harm it. >> And as that property owner, has they any feedback or are they fine with it or >> We haven't heard as far as I know. I mean, they Whoever owns it the appraisal district is who got notice. Okay. Um thank you. Yeah, and again, my my concern is not so much the use as it is how to how much use is actually there and it is there things that need to be done. I mean, you can go down to Shady Grove and and see where the nice McDonald's is and then there's partial townhomes built there where we went way out and told them to go ahead to do it and they still haven't got clearance from the from the core of engineers to continue to build out any further than they have. And so, and we stopped the you know, they were upset with us because we stopped them from putting in their infrastructure because we said if it sat there too long, we can't inspect it. So, had we let them just put their infrastructure in like they wanted and it's been this long, they would have had to tear it all out. So, I mean, in some ways we're just trying to make sure that the applicant gets the product that that they want. I mean, hopefully there's there it's not that big of a deal and we can you know, in a few weeks we can know how much drainage we need and we can also figure out how to get the driveway in there and then and then actually know how much land there's left cuz I'd hate to be the one that we get ourselves in a situation like we did with Parkside and some of these others where we just get moved forward and then all of a sudden we're spending $200,000 a year to clean the drain out and we're spending and they're still not happy with what we're doing up there cuz they don't like the way it drains and things of that nature. So, I mean if we get the cart ahead of the horse, it's not good for the applicant nor the nor the city. Uh and that's that's all I'm saying. And and again, to me it's not about the use, it's about how much use is available on this land once everything gets put together. So, it really works out. I'm and I I just want that out there because it's not a matter of should it be there or shouldn't it be there. I just want to know what it's going to be so that we have the drainage we need and the ingress and egress that we need and then what's left for the use. Dennis Yeah, I just [clears throat] got one fundamental question. Cuz what I don't want to do is spend a whole lot of time going down this road, going back and forth, doing all this stuff. How many council members in here is going to allow a cemetery under 25 acres? We can't take a vote in here, Dell. Well, Right, but this this is my point. Right. If the 25 acres is not going to be allowed, everything we're doing is a waste of time. And I don't >> And I think hold Sorry, Dell. >> And I think that need to be decided first. Don't waste their time if you're not going to do it at all, period, because of the 25-acre standard that Mark referenced. So, I think in all fairness to these applicants and everybody else, if you're not going to do the 25 anything under 25 acres, you can't do it in here, but go ahead and tell these people so they don't waste their time thinking that they still got a chance. And that was my question, Jocelyn, if it was not for that Harrington family cemetery on there, you know, what other uses ever going to be on that land? You know, that's what that's that's my whole point uh of asking about that. Number two, Jocelyn, how do they get to that Harrington family cemetery? Is there any access points or Yeah, and then that's that's Yeah, this is what we saw. So, this is that Estelle Road that used to be a road. And this is ISD property. It looks like they just cut just a tiny corner off. Is that normally you cut through other people's property to get your own property or Uh until the owner tells you not to, I suppose. I don't know. Thank you. Till you get in trouble. Yeah. Okay. On to the next one. >> All right. Next one, 3102 Dupree. It's a SP I'm sorry. Yes. Um we talked about postponement. Are we talking indefinitely or are we trying to put a date on it because we could be doing it in 90 days and we got the same problem because we haven't got clarity on on what the access and some of the other impacts might be. So, what are we doing? We haven't made a decision. We'll make that >> Okay. tonight. All right. But, we are consi- well, any comment? Yeah, I mean, I think realistically they've they've obviously got some thoughts on it and they've been studying it. So, I think we need to hear those things before we start talking about what we're going to do. All right. Next one. All right, this one, 3102 Dupree. It's an SP2 in a single-family district with variances to the minimum front and side setbacks. Staff found no unnecessary hardship. P&Z recommended approval of 6 to 3. Um there were no letters of support and one in opposition. So, it's here at the pro- corner. I believe it's Wright Street and Dupree. So, it is a corner lot. Uh the house burned down and so the applicants purchased the property in order to build a new home and they're just wanting to be able to fit the home on the property. Uh so, the one letter of opposition was down the street. So, this here's just a graphic of what they are requesting. It does have an established 30-ft front yard setback, which all the houses on the block appear to meet. Um they are uh proposing a 25-ft front setback, which they need to have so they can have their 25-ft driveway and then a 20-ft setback on the corner. And here's just the formal again, the required 30 ft requiring requesting 25 ft in the front and 20 on the side. So, here's the property again, burned down and has been cleared. Another view. So, this is the property on the on the side or on the in the rear, I guess. And this is the one that would be impacted from the 30 to the 20-ft setback. The driveway is on the opposite side of the house. Uh traffic didn't have any issues with it and because the driveway's over here, it doesn't seem to really affect any of their visibility. North of the property, again, here's the So, it'd be about 5 ft in front of this house. And I'll be happy to answer any questions. Questions? All right. All right. Next one. Last case. Uh 1311 Meridian Drive. Uh this is what staff refers to as Sandman 2. Um it already has approval. Uh it's SP2 for freeway for a hotel, multi-family, and State Highway 161 overlay. Uh the first Sandman has been built and uh so, this is the second one, the one's a little bit to the north. And they're just requesting an REB to sell alcohol. Staff recommends approval. P&Z approval 9 to 0, no opposition or support. So, this is the one uh that is under construction or has been constructed. This is the property of the Sandman 2. Um I believe I believe their permit has been submitted. I know you have a memo that's or comment that someone has submitted about providing more um meeting area. The the the hotel itself is designed and under construction. So, it's really not possible to add any meeting area. This is just simply a request to have alcohol sales on their property. Any questions? John. Thank you, Mayor. Not so much a question, just uh wanted to make a comment about uh So, this is a companion hotel, the same company has another hotel right next door and I was uh I was able to attend the uh the grand opening and uh they this is this is a really quality hotel, you know, that they put in and um very uncharacteristically for a lot of the hotel cases we get here, there are no variances to our standards here, which um >> [clears throat] >> I mean, you love to see that. It's but Yeah, so I I would encourage the rest of council to go check out the the restaurant in the hotel that is open over here and when this one comes in, it's going to be another really quality project. So, I'm fully in support of this case. All right. All right. Next one. No, this is our last case. Uh 707 Hilltop. Uh this is simply it's zoned multi-family from a 1974 zoning, I believe. Uh wanting to rezone to single-family in order to rebuild a house. Staff recommends approval. P&Z approval 9 to 0, no opposition or support. So, it's simply a house today. They're wanting to I don't believe it burned down. I think they're just wanting to demo Yeah, just demo the house and uh rebuild another house. And whenever you take something down to 100% it has to meet of the district. So, that's all they're wanting to do. Cleaning up the zoning. And then as far as the uh appointment at the Building Standards, have you you guys got somebody? All right. That brings us to the end of the agenda. Do we have uh The next one is uh National League of Cities update. Do we have somebody with us on that or >> [laughter] >> Turn your mic on. >> [gasps] >> Okay, so I'll start. Uh uh basically, you know, me and David had the privilege to go to the National League of uh cities congressional conference um and uh I enjoyed going to them um because uh course, every time you go to these conferences, you get to do a lot of networking. But, this one, the congressional conference really focused a lot on like legislation um uh connecting with congressional people to try to um advocate for, you know, uh different funding and and things they need. Um we had, you know, several senators who who spoke. Rand Paul uh was one. Um sh- uh about three or four spoke and all spoke on different things, but I guess a couple of the highlights that uh I got from it was number one, I appreciate the funding that was given to the Youth Action Council. Uh and I think some of y'all got their uh thank you letters in your packet. Uh the kids really enjoyed uh uh being there. They learned a lot. I think a couple of them that was the first time they ever ridden on an airplane. Uh and several of them that was the first time they'd ever been in Washington, D.C. And um so, we're hoping that the next year, especially when we go again, that the council can put some more money in the budget to uh not only allow more kids to come, but also for them to be able to stay there longer. Um while we was out to dinner with them, you know, they was expressing just a lot of things that they learned, a lot of appreciation. So, and it was good and it was good too because uh when you go to this uh conference, you have cities all over uh the country who send these youth delegations. They actually have their own conference uh the youth. And so, it's a good experience for all of our youth who went. Um one of the most interesting uh sessions that I uh went to was the session called immigration and what you need to know as a city official and the uh presenter was the police chief uh from the city of Minneapolis, Minneapolis. And talked about, you know, the struggles that they had trying to um deal with like five different federal agencies that was actually operating in their city uh and there was no central command. He said it was just like all of them was doing kind of what they wanted to do. Had the Federal Bureau of Prisons was there, you name it. Um and even though uh they was getting complaints from citizens about, you know, the operations of these federal agencies, there was nothing they could do about it. You know, um so, it it really highlighted this the the the problems that, you know, uh you know, the federal government and ICE and all them could actually uh have for your city uh because again, you're not going to just going to go up against the federal government, you know, cuz some people say, "Why don't you arrest some of these officers for, you know, what they're doing?" And of course, you know, you can't do that. But, it was very it was very um interesting. Uh so, they start talking about solutions and responses to it and I there was one guy, I don't forget what city he was from, but what he uh suggested is that he they took all of their city policies and then they took all of like federal legislation and everything that has to do with ICE and everything and they put it in AI and told the AI to find the conflicts with their policies versus the federal leg- you know, policies, which I thought was pretty interesting. And then when they realized, okay, so here are the conflicts, then they began to use those as a city to kind of, you know, work to bring them in line. So, that was pretty interesting. Um let me see, there was a discussion about a uh basic act uh a bill that focused on um transportation and one of the impetus for it was they was wanting to try to get more like federal funding and transportation funding directly to cities, you know, uh not so much through the metropolitan, you know, agency like RTC, but actually make it easier for cities themselves to get their own money. So, that that you know, so you know, I mean there was a lot of other things that you know, um we experienced, but those uh two or three really stayed with me. Um so, David, I'mma pass it off to you and you can handle it from there. >> [clears throat] >> Thank you, Dennis. I also want to uh AI policy from the mayor of Lake Stevens, Washington, who gave us uh a bigger review of how they implemented uh their artificial intelligence with a lot of notes on it. You know, some of the things not using the same LLM for all answers because they're they used three and they're vastly different answers coming through uh for their city governance. Securing the data, putting in a 6-month program, making sure everything works. So, that's a lot of the things we can learn from other cities of their mistakes and what they found to be successful, which was great. There was also um Let me see what other big notes I had. Uh as we look at the charter review committee, I think we'll be putting together uh soon for looking at the charter. Meeting the other Texas cities, they had a Texas delegation where we got to meet a lot of other city council members. El Paso, uh bigger city, they do uh 4-year election cycles. So, two 4-year terms, which we have uh considered looking at and they're they would be a good example of a city. So, a lot of these things where you sit and talk to the other city councils of what they're really doing and what their big issues are. Uh my biggest takeaway from all is we have a great city here. We're not we're not too big where we can't manage like El Paso and Dallas and some of the other places we hear about, but we're not too small where we hear people can't get one uh one more fire person or uh can't fix potholes. So, we're kind of in that little sweet spot for the city and it's a really really great place and it's good to learn from these other cities as well. Yeah. Thank you, Mayor. Well, I'll put my input cuz the three of us got with the young uh people that were there with us. Yeah, I was there. I was looking right at you cuz you were trying to eat those scallops. I know what you were up to. >> [laughter] >> Well, my takeaway is there were two big bowls of clams and what was the other mussels. And two of the kids had never ever had this kind of food. They ate every single one of these damn clams and they think there was a pile that big. So, I said, "You know what? We did something right. The young people now can go to the seafood restaurant." So, that's my takeaway. Thank you. And and just for the record, that was not a city budget item. I paid for all the dinner, so. Yeah, I think that, you know, this program was started I think David Palmer started it and I think it's a great opportunity to get young people to to go and and it and get get our young people excited about our youth center cuz that's where they come from and they're involved there and we want to do everything we can to get them engaged and uh and uh do this. So, I think uh you know, >> [clears throat] >> Shanae will kick me, but I can say it cuz I'm leaving. Uh But you know, we have a couple hundred thousand that we usually have in our account and if we needed to pull 10,000 out of there or something to to uh use it for there, I think it would be very well well worth dollars spent to help these uh young people feel good about learning something new. Plus to to give them a chance because they've done something, you know, they have to they don't just get to go, they have to compete to get it and so uh I think it's a great opportunity and thank you guys for doing it. I think that's important to spend the time with them. So, thank you both for doing it. Or all three of you, excuse me. All right. Data centers. I uh I asked David to go with me the other morning to breakfast cuz I don't think he gets up early enough. So, I said, "Uh we got a 7:30 breakfast so we could start to and it was for the DFW Metroplex mayors and we had Bill Flores who uh Al knows very well from the oil and gas business. And this Yeah. And so, this is what he uh his presentation uh he was a congressman for 10 years and he uh and I had the uh opportunity to have dinner with him the night before. Several of us mayors got together and and visited with him because we really all of us are hearing about data warehouses and what it really means and data centers and things of that nature. So, uh not that this is part of the presentation. I just wanted to give it to you guys to read and kind of get caught up on, but he really goes through and talks about ERCOT and how we're we're changing as a and how fast we're growing as a region and how are we going to move forward and a couple of things a lot of the stuff in here is we all know, but a couple of thing points that he made I thought were extremely important. One was that the that the uh power that we are going to have to add to the state uh key takeaway, 67% demand growth over the next 5 years is like adding the state of California to our grid. That's what we're looking at in order to get our power where we need it in the next 5 years. We've got to build this grid to the point of as if we were powering the whole state of California as well as what we're doing today. So, these I thought it was a good takeaway and uh the other thing that I thought was good and towards the end of it, he talks about the uh meeting the challenges of the two of the 765 kV uh transmission and you can see that what they're basically going to be doing is they're going to be going all across the whole state and going from the 360 and I shouldn't need me talking about this cuz I don't know what that even means to the six to the 765, which means they're going to be putting in bigger poles and different poles and in these locations. So, I thought it was just good information about uh uh ERCOT and the grid and where we see this the state going. Uh what was also interesting was that the fact that Texas is very cons the governor and the legislature is very concerned about they want to get on top of this AI. They want to be number one in it before the they look at it their competition for this as China. They want to be able to beat China to and have everything in place sooner than later dealing with AI and how that all comes out. So, it was very interesting conversation and uh and then I think David you had a conversation where they talked about uh uh how they were going to move forward with two and four and six years of and he made the a point to which followed I'll for David starts that they realized that so many applications were coming in and so many people were trying to figure out where they were going to get the power from and they were crisscrossing and everything else. So, they finally just said, "Stop. We're not going to approve anymore." And so, David, you can kind of you had another meeting you went to that kind of talked about that, too. Yeah, a few things on the on the power side and hooking up to the grid, they did put a pause on it. They're they'll open it back up in September. So, they're meeting he's accelerating uh things that normally take 2 years down at ERCOT, accelerating it uh 4 to 5 months. So, they they are on it. I think the change in ERCOT and the in the leadership since uh Yuri has uh been very beneficial. Also talked to him about the uh nuclear we're hearing a lot about the small nuclear reactors and coming in. And he doesn't see that as a uh any short-term on this. It's a long-term uh development on those and they do it in massive volume to to get to the kilowatt per hours. He did say that if if he had uh his his choice, he'd do the large nuclear reactors, but build them in sequence. Build five to 10 of them uh mainly for the workforce development and then getting the cost downs over time and and really getting a lot of power. Um the nuclear side of things, they have no the Department of Energy has to allow permits for these. So, it's not something they control uh wholly and they don't control any fuel or disposal of fuel. And there's different types of uranium fuel out there that uh some sourced in America and some sourced in Russia only. So, it's it's a it's a pretty interesting sitting there talking to him. Love to have him come present to the the whole city at some point. I think uh Councilman Zapanto, you know him pretty well and maybe he can put a little bug in his ear to get him up here. Uh one other thing on on data centers, uh had uh Chad and his IT group put together a one-pager for us when we go out in the public and talk. I think that's almost quite ready, Chad. I don't know if you have time to just kind of show him a little preview. Um And while while he's coming up, too, you'll see in the presentation there's a term that I hadn't heard before, but BYOP. So, while these while these data centers are being built, they are asking them to bring your own power. So, that power source can be wind, solar, uh gas, uh Caterpillar does turbines. So, there's a lot of different ways to power it up while they're waiting on grid access. So, that's going to be happening uh in coordination with us, not with ERCOT. So, if they bring their own power, that's a us problem uh of where it's going to be, the noise, the the type of power. So, that's another kind of question, Jocelyn, on when we see the data centers of what are you doing for power before you're on the grid. And that's uh really controlled by our city. But Chad, I'll give you a little time here. Sure. Uh Chad Powell, Chief Technology Officer. Uh we call it the IT department collaborated with uh planning and and several other uh departments that are involved in the review and approval process uh for data centers. So, uh there's a little bit of information regarding what is a data center, the uses for them, um address we address the common data center concerns over power and water and noise. Um and uh this should be ready uh to be released in the read file hopefully uh next Friday. Uh we're still waiting from some feedback from uh one of our data center partners. Uh we want to make sure that we're being transparent and and uh and fair in what we give them. But this would be something that we would like David said uh uh distribute to you. We'll we'll actually give you hard copies so that you can pass them out uh to citizens or uh concerned members of the community. Thank you. And and they did a great job of getting all this. Uh we also had a great presentation from Todd this morning on water use for data centers. All our data centers now are closed loop and just like he said, they don't use any more than a standard warehouse. We do have uh the big user of uh at the old semiconductor facility that is still water water cooled and that's the only uh facilities to my knowledge. Uh maybe Jocelyn or you know, but uh as far as any cooling system that that's only one that's non-closed loop uh and using a massive amount of water. So, I think the city's done a great job. Y'all did a great job before I got on council doing the data center uh whole process and I think it's it's working and and we can do things safe and make sure it's environmentally sound as well. So, thank you. I think one of the things he also said to us, David, is he was going to get us a list of questions that we should ask city should ask him. Water, power, and then there were two or three [clears throat] other things. I can't remember what they were. You know, noise, yeah. And uh Anyway, Al. This is more historical uh cuz it's really interesting. Uh and that's that Texas is not part of the western or the eastern grid. We're our own grid in the state of Texas. And what's happening to us now that we're growing the way we're growing. The reason we did it that way, in those were my days in the oil and gas industry, is we had everything we needed here. Natural gas, oil, you name it. Well, now with the growth and now we're getting these various kinds of applications that are going to be water and power monsters, so to speak. It's really a I think where we started with the uh uh the data centers, I think there's a little bit more for us to do, Mayor, to try to figure out how we can what I call transfer pricing. And we do that in the oil and gas industry because when you do it from one's development, you then transfer it on if it's to the grid or wherever it might be cuz then it goes on into the utility and then guess who pays for it? We do. When we get our bill every month. And so this is a real opportunity, I think, for us to really look at and I'm really glad Bill has got the job and he knows the industry and I think he'll be really helpful for us that we then can actually then have probably the premier data center AI applications on not only transfer pricing, so we are really helping our taxpayers. And so those are the kinds of things I think we really have an opportunity. So, I I thank Mayor, you and David for getting into it. Uh and I think this is good to know because the end of the day, we're now we're so big as a state that it would probably been a good idea for us to be in the east and west uh uh networks that when bad weather happens we can tap into them. We can tap into New Mexico or Southern California. So, it's just those kinds of things that are now we're really in an interesting time. So, that's history. I'm glad I'm here with us cuz I think this is a great chance for us to do something for our city. Oh, it's more David's idea than mine. I just He just happened to be speaking, so I dragged David along. Chad, I'm sorry. Uh just one last point on page uh 16 of your slide deck, the the Texas grid is going to get bigger and they're going to put 765 kilo kilovolt lines across the whole state uh mainly to tap into all the wind production and and it's in the multi-billion dollar, but you're going to see a a big big upgrade to the whole Texas uh ERCOT system coming in the next 10 years as they build this out. So, it's a it was pretty interesting interesting talk. Chad, did you have more? We kind of stepped on your No, you're you're you're fine. I I I will just add that we uh um as a city are a customer of a local data center here in Irving. Uh after winter storm Uri wrecked the power grid, uh we were down uh due to the power outages and the cold weather. Uh but the uh the data center that we now uh have a uh space at, um they never uh went off the grid. Uh their substation connects to uh the the same uh utility as the airport and the airport never loses power. So, um that was a uh a good motivation. Uh they also uh have a lot of internet service providers that provide uh connectivity uh into the data center. And that allowed us an opportunity to uh to rent some space by actually reducing the cost that we were paying on some of our internet circuits. Uh it's much cheaper uh when you go to the source. So, um they have economies of scale way beyond anything that we're capable of doing in terms of redundancy uh in-house. Uh they just in in the one data center that we're uh a part of, it's a it's actually a six-data center campus or will be uh here in the next couple of years. Um our data center alone has uh 18 2 and 1/2 megawatt uh uh generators. Uh And the one of the cool things about what they did was um during winter storm Uri, uh they actually um through their contracts for uh diesel, they actually preemptively chose to uh go off of the grid and run directly through uh their generators and that allowed um ERCOT to be able to uh redistribute the power that they were not using uh to residents and to people affected by the outages. So, that's about it. Any other questions? Comments? Thank you all for your time putting it all together and keeping us in the loop. Okay, that brings us to our executive session. So, K O, if you want to read us in and we're going to take a 10-15 [clears throat] minute break after we read in. So, and then we'll come back. Yes, sir. The time is 3:01. The Irving City Council will convene into a closed executive session to receive legal advice and discuss um economic development negotiations pursuant to Open Meetings Act Sections 551.071 and 551.087. >> [music] [music] [music] [music] [music]