TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL MEETING BACK TO ORDER. ROLL CALL. >>BILL CARLSON: HERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM. MAY I GET A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, ALL OF THEM. MOTION BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, WAS HE MENTIONED EARLIER WE WILL GO TO ITEM 36 AND 64. WE HAVE MEMBERS FROM THE AIR FORCE BASE -- YES, MA'AM, START WITH ITEM NUMBER 63. YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD. >>REBECCA JOHNS: GOOD AFTERNOON, REBECCA JOHNS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT. THIS IS THE SECOND READING -- SECOND PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE PINEWOOD DEVELOPMENT. THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HAS BEEN REVISED BASED ON DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN THE DEVELOPER AND MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE. THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE DEVELOPER AND MISS FEELEY WILL GO INTO THIS IN MORE DETAIL. BUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT HAS BEEN REVISED TO SUBSTITUTE THE SITE PLAN FOR WHAT YOU SEE HERE. THIS TAKES THE -- SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN THE PARKING AREA AND SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN WHAT IS NOW THE GREENWAY AND TRAIL HEAD. IT TAKES THAT OUT OF THE CLEAR ZONE. SO WE HAVE -- WE HAVE REVISED A SITE PLAN. AND WE HAVE ALSO PROVIDED THAT -- THAT BECAUSE -- BECAUSE THESE REVISIONS, WE NOW NEED TO RESURVEY WHAT WOULD BE THE GREENWAY PARCEL AND THE PARK PARCEL. DOES NOT AFFECT THE OVERALL BOUNDARY OF THE CITY PARCEL BUT AFFECTS THAT DIVISION NOW. SO WE PROVIDED THAT THE DEVELOP WILL OBTAIN SURVEYS AND LEGAL DESCRIPTIONS THOSE TWO PARCELS AND WE WILL SUBSTITUTE THAT INTO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. AND THE DEVELOPER AND MISS FEELEY ARE HERE. >>ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD AFTERNOON, ABBYE FEELEY, INTERIM ADMINISTRATOR OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. WHEN THIS MATTER LEFT OFF, THE DIRECTION WAS FOR THE DEVELOPER TO MEET WITH MacDILL TO TRY TO WORK OUT SOME OF THE MATTERS THAT WERE RAISED IN RELATION TO THE CLEAR ZONE AND MacDILL'S DESIRE FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROPERTY. THAT MEETING JUST HAPPENED THIS WEEK. I BELIEVE THERE WAS A SUBSEQUENT MEETING AFTER THEY AGREED TO THE CHANGES OUT IN THE FIELD YESTERDAY AFTERNOON. SOME WHAT WENT INTO SIRE WENT IN YESTERDAY. AND I AM JUST HERE TO SAY IF THERE IS AN ISSUES WITH THAT OR ANYBODY DOESN'T FEEL THERE IS ADEQUATE TIME TO REVIEW IT, IT WOULD BE AT THE PRESSURE OF COUNCIL TO THAN AGAIN, BUT I AM GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO TRUE C YET AND LET HIM GO OVER WHAT THE CHANGES WERE AND WHERE WE ARE TODAY AND PLEASURE OF COUNCI AFTER THAT PRESENTATION. >> GOOD AFTERNOO AFTERNOON, TRUETT GARDNER, PLEASED TO BE BE WITH MY CLIENT, BRIAN FUNK AND THE GOOD PEOPLE OF THE BASE. AS ABBY ALLUDED TO MET WITH THEM OCTOBER 28 ON BASE, AND PLEASED TO INTRODUCE A COMPROMISE -- NOT TO PUT WORDS THIS THEIR MOUTH THAT WE ARE HAPPY WITH, THAT THEY ARE HAPPY WITH. IF WE GO TO THE ELMO AND RUN THROUGH IN THE FROM OF TIME. WHAT WE DISCOVERED THROUGH OUR COMMUNICATIONS WITH THEM THAT WERE SPIRITED AND POSITIVE, WHAT THE BIG ISSUES WERE AND WHAT THE RESOLUTIONS ARE FOR EACH ONE. FIRST, THEY WANTED THE DESIGN TO BE MORE OF A GREENWAY, TRAIL HEAD AND LESS OF A PARK. THE PADS HAVE BEEN CHANGED WHERE THEY ARE RUNNING DIRECTLY FROM THE SOUTHEAST CORNER TO THE NORTHWEST CORNER. NORTHEAST CORNER TO SOUTHWEST CORNER. SOME THAT WAS THE CHANGE THERE. SECONDLY, FULL RECALL, THERE WAS A LARGE CONTIGUOUS SPACE. THEY WANTED TO MINIMIZE THE ABILITY FOR LARGE GATHERING. SO BY REDOING THE TRAIL THIS WAY, THAT BIFURCATES THAT SPACE. SO THAT WAS A BIG CHANGE TOO. CHANGE THREE. THEY WANTED THE ACCESS ON MARCUM WHICH ALIGNED -- IF YOU LOOK ON THE PURPLE SIDE, PREVIOUSLY ALIGNED STRAIGHT WITH THE INGRESS, EGRESS POINT ON PINEWOOD DOWN IN MARCUM. THEY WANTED THAT AS FAR WEST AS POSSIBLE TO MINIMIZE THEIR EFFECT ON THE CLEAR SCENE WHERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE THIS SLID OVER. NOT THE OPTIMAL TRAFFIC FLOW FOR MY CLIENT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT HE CAN LIVE WITH AND WANTED TO COMPROMISE FOR. THIRD, THEY WANTED A REDUCTION IN PARKING AND AS MUCH PARKING REMOVED OUT OF THE CLEAR ZONE IF POSSIBLE. THAT IS THE REDESIGN NOW. IF YOU REMEMBER BEFORE, IT WAS JUST A STRAIGHT NORTH-SOUTH LINE DW WHERE GREEN BECOMES PURPLE. AND THE BOOT, ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE AND LESS PARKING. FROM THE CITY ELSE STANDPOINT, EVERYTHING YOU SEE -- I WILL CALL THAT ORANGE -- ARE CITY SPACES. SO THEY LOST -- THE CITY LOST A COUPLE OF SPACES WHICH THEY CAN LIVE WITH. MR. FUNK LOST THE MOST AMOUNT OF SPACES, BUT HE IS FINE WITH THAT AS WELL. SO THOSE WERE THE BIG COMPROMISES. THE OPEN ITEMS THAT I WILL JUST SAY WILL BE TABLED FOR ANOTHER TIME AND WE TALKED TO THE BASE ABOUT THIS AND THEY CAN OPINE ON THIS AS WELL ARE BENCHES. IDEALLY HAVING THOSE OUT OF THE CLEAR ZONE. WE WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE SOME SORT OF SEATING IF SOMEBODY GETS A PEBBLE IN THEIR SHOE OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE. AND ALSO SOME SORT OF LIGHTING. THEY HAD CONCERN OF LIGHTING AND PLANES, BUT THE CITY AND MR. FUNK ALSO WANTS TO MAKE SURE IT IS A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR PEOPLE USING THE GREENWAY AND TRAILHEAD. SOME WE AGREED TO FIND SOME SORT OF SOLUTION THAT WE FEEL CONFIDENT WE WILL IN THE WAY THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS SET UP NOT THE FINAL DESIGN AND SO THERE IS TIME FOR THAT. PLEASED TO BRING THAT IN FRONT OF YOU. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE PEOPLE FROM THE BASE HERE AS WELL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS? A REPRESENTATIVE HERE FROM THE AIR FORCE BASE. SIR, IF YOU WANT TO COME UP. STATE YOUR NAME. >> GOOD AFTERNOON REASON TONY RODRIGUEZ THE PORTFOLIO OPTIMIZATION MANAGER WITH THE SQUADRON AT MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE. WE HAD GREAT CONVERSATIONS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM. THEY UNDERSTOOD WHAT OUR CONCERNS ARE AND THEY JUSTED THEIR SITE PLAN ACCORDINGLY AND WE HAVE NO OBJECTIONS WITH THIS CURRENT SITE PLAN. >> THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, STEPHANIE POYNOR. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE SEEN THESE PLANS. NICE TO THEY SHARED IT. EVERYBODY HERE HAT MY E-MAIL. I AM GOOD WITH THE REDUNKS IN PARKING. I THINK IT IS RUDE TO LEAVE THE NEIGHBORS OUT, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I DO APPRECIATE THAT WE HAVE MADE AN AMENDMENT TO THE PROCESS. AND IT IS COMING FORWARD THAT EVERYBODY WILL GET NOTIFICATION FOR THESE KIND OF DEALS GOING FORWARD AND IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND YOU APPRECIATE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT AND MAKING SURE THAT NEIGHBORHOODS WILL BE NOTIFIED FROM NOW ON I AM GOOD WITH THE REDUCTION OF PARKING. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE NORTH AND SOUTH PARKING GONE BECAUSE IT WAS -- WE DIDN'T LIKE IT TO START WITH. AND WE WOULD HAVE LIKED TO SEE MORE TREES. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GREAT, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. [ INAUDIBLE ] >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: -- FOR WHAT HE HAS DONE TO MAKE SURE BOTH SIDES ARE NOT HAPPY AND KIND OF MAKES THEM HAPPY AND DOWN THE MIDDLE WHEN YOU MAKE BOTH SIDES UNHAPPY, GUESS WHAT, THINGS GET DONE. THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE. AND I KNOW IT WILL BE A NICE PROBABLY FOR THE CITY AROUND CERTAINLY FOR THE DEVELOPER AND MacDILL AIR FORCE BASE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY REBUTTAL? >> TRUETTE GARDNER. MISS POYNOR, WE DID NOT LEAVE HER OUT. THAT MEETING GETS SENT TO CIVIL ENGINEERS, LAND SCAPE ARCHITECTS. SO NOT AN INTENTION TO LEAVE HER OUT. THINGS WERE JUST HAPPENING THAT QUICKLY. I THINK WE GOT THE FINAL VERSION YESTERDAY AT THIS POINT. AND THEN THAT WAS -- YOU KNOW, SUBMITTED TO THE SMILE AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM. >>GWEN HENDERSON: IN LIGHT TWO OF HURRICANES I THINK YOU DID GOOD AND I AM GLAD YOU ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOTION CLOSE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WOULD LIKE TO MOVE. THE SUB CITY TUTE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SUB CITY OPPORTUNITY RESOLUTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? ITEM NUMBER 64. NOTHING TO ADD, CORRECT? A MOTION TO 64, SECOND FROM -- DON'T NEED TO CLOSE -- A MOTION TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION FOR 64. MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. SECONDED -- SUBSTITUTE RESOLUTION. COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN WITH THE MOTION. SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET'S SEE. WHERE ARE WE AT NOW. WE MOVED TO OPEN ALL THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. THESE ARE NONQUASI JUDICIAL FOR THE FIRST VIEW. ITEM 57, WE HAVE A SECOND READING HERE. WILL MASSEY. >> YES, SIR, MORRIS MASSEY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT. SECOND READING FOR ORDINANCES PASSED BY CITY COUNCIL OFFICIALLY RENAMING THE BRICKYARD PLAZA BETWEEN THIS BUILDING AND -- AND THE MUNICIPAL OFFICE BUILDING AFTER COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CHARLIE MIRANDA IT HAS TO SAY. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE TO ABSTAIN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM 57. A MOTION FROM CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. SECONDED FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>LUIS VIERA: DO IT. DO IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: LET'S SEE HERE. I HEARBY MOVE AN ORDINANCE PRESENT BY SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, THE NAMING OF THE BRICK PLAZA AND COURTYARD BETWEEN OLD CITY HALL AND TAMPA MUNICIPAL OFFICE BUILDING AS CHARLIE MIRANDA PLAZA IN HONOR OF COUNCILMAN CHARLIE MIRANDA IN HIS ALMOST 30 YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE CITY OF TAMPA AND CITIZENS AS MEMBERS OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AND COMMUNITY LEADER PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. OH, DEAR LORD. PROP TUNC. I SHOULD KNOW WHAT THAT IS AS OF OCTOBER 23, 2024. >>LUIS VIERA: MOTION. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I BE A ANTENNAED ALREADY. I VOTE NO. [LAUGHTER] STILL PASSES. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM NUMBER 58. YES, MA'AM. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME. >> ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. ON ITEM 58, A SECOND READING TO ENACT A PURCHASING ORDINANCE EXCEPTION 2-286 FOR ANY CONTRACT FOR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS OR ANY OTHER PURCHASES OVER $5 MILLION. THIS WAS A MOTION THAT WAS ORIGINALLY BROUGHT BY CITY COUNCIL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION TO CLOSE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, MIND READING 58. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO, SIR -- LET ME PASS TO MR. CARLSON, HIS ORIGINAL MOTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. 58. >>BILL CARLSON: MOVE FILE NUMBER E-2024-8-CH 2. ADOPTION OF ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AMENDING CITY OF TAMPA CODE CHAPTER 2, ARTICLE V, DIVISION 3, PURCHASES AND CONTRACTS BY ENACTING SECTION 2-286, THREE BID REQUIREMENT FOR THE -- FOR PURCHASE -- SORRY FOR CONTRACTS FOR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS FOR OTHER PURCHASES EXCEEDING $5 MILLION PROCEED WILLING FOR REPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES AND PARTS OF ORDINANCE AND CONFLICT THEREWITH. PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND EFFECTIVE DATE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND SECOND. PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ITEM NUMBER 59. >> MARCY HAMILTON, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. THIS WAS ANOTHER MOTION PRESENTED BY COUNCIL. THIS IS PURCHASING ORDINANCE TO ENACT 287 OF COOPERATIVE PURCHASES BETTER KNOWN AS PIGGYBACKS THAT YOU REQUESTED WE PROVIDE BACKGROUND INFORMATION REGARDING WHY WE WANT TO USE THE PIGGYBACK. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS? NO? ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM 59. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOVE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMEMBER HENDERSON. WOULD YOU MIND READING 59? HENDERSON I HAVE MOVE FILE NUMBER E 2024-8 CHAPTER 22, FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION. THE CITY OF TAMPA AMENDING CHAPTER 2, ARTICLE V, DIVISION 3, PURCHASES AND CONTRACTS BY ENACTING SECTION 2-287 WITH USE AND PROVIDING FOR 'PALES OF TS - ORDINANCE AND ALL ORDINANCES PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDE WILLING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. PLEASE RECORD YOUR VOTE. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM NUMBER 06. YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD. >> McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. THE FIRST OF TWO SCHEDULED PUBLIC HEARING OF BROWNFIELD LOCATED IN THE GENERAL VICINITY OF 230 EAST HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE. THE AREA PROPOSED OF BROWNFIELD IS LOCATED IN EAST TAMPA AND APPROXIMATELY 13.24 ACRES IN SIZE. THE PROPERTY OWNER RICHMOND HILLS LIMITED HAS REQUESTED THIS DESIGNATION AND PLANS TO REDEVELOP INTO 356 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS AVAILABLE TO HOUSEHOLDS EARNING 120% OR LESS OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME. THE CITY OF TAMPA IS A FINANCIAL PARTNER IN THIS PROJECT CONTRIBUTING $12 MILLION IN FURTHERANCE OF THIS EFFORT TO MAKE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS AVAILABLE. DETAILS OF THIS DESIGNATION ARE IN ANSWER TITLED STAFF REPORT OF BROWNFIELD DESIGNATION AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW BOTH IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND ONLINE THROUGH ON-BASE. AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH SCHEDULED NOVEMBER 21, 2024 AT 5:01 OR SOON HAD THEREAFTER. COUNCIL WILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO PASS THE RESOLUTION OF IT FOR USE IN THE BROWNFIELD AREA. THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE REMOTELY IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS IS THE FUN LAND PROPERTY? >> THAT'S CORRECT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE DRIVE BY THERE ALL THE TIME. THAT SUCKER IS GOING. YOU. ME QUESTION IS WHY ARE WE DOING IT NOW BEFORE THE CONSTRUCTION BE BEGAN? >> IS THE APPLICANT AVAILABLE? THE STATUTE DOES ALLOW FOR -- AS LONG AS THEY ARE DESIGNATED BY THE END OF THE YEAR, THEY CAN APPLY FOR EVERYTHING. >>ABBYE FEELEY: WHAT McLANE JUST SAID. MY UNDERSTANDING -- WHO IS ON LINE, KENNY -- BRETT? >> BRETT. >>ABBYE FEELEY: WHAT THEY DO IS ONCE THEY GET THEIR DESIGNATION, THEY ARE ELIGIBLE FOR A CREDIT THROUGH OTHER FINANCING AND WHY THEY ARE DOING IT NOW. THEY HAVE DONE THE WORK IT REMEDIATE THE SITE. WHEN I SAW -- THE REPORT COME ACROSS TOO, THAT IS WHEN I REACHED OUT TO McLANE AND I SAID REMEMBER WE ARE INVESTING -- THIS IS THE FUN LAND PROPERTY AND THAT'S WHY WE PUT THAT THE IN THE REPORT TOO. I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE NORMALLY YOU WOULDN'T SEE ME ON A BROWNFIELD DESIGNATION. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANTED THE PUBLIC TO HEAR THAT. THEY KNOW THE FUN LAND SITE. I DON'T WANT ANYBODY -- >>ABBYE FEELEY: THE IMPRESSION. >>LYNN HURTAK: EVEN THE SLIGHTEST IMPRESSION WE ARE DOING ANYTHING THAT WOULD IMPACT FOLKS TO ARE GOING TO LIVE IN THIS PROPERTY. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYBODY -- DO YOU NEED TO ADD ANYTHING BRETT? >> GOOD AFTERNOON. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING TO ADD SIR? >> GOOD AFTERNOON I'M FROM THE ENVIRONMENTAL LAW FIRM 2100 IN CORAL GABLES. AND REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD OTHER THAN TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS REQUEST AND FOR THE CITY'S SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT. AND AS MENTIONED THIS DESIGNATION WILL HELP THE APPLICANT RECOUP COSTS WITH EXCAVATING AND COMPOSING CONTAMINATED SOIL FROM HISTORICAL USERS OF THE SITE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT A BROWNFIELD IS. SOMEBODY WHO HEARS DOUSE THIS THEY MAY THINK YOU NOW TURN IT INTO A BROWNFIELD. YOU SAID THIS BEFORE AND CAN YOU STATE AGAIN -- I WILL PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. THE PURPOSE FOR GETTING REBATES OR GRANTS RELATED TO CLEANING UP. AND THEY ALREADY CLEANED IT UP. >> CORRECT, McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. APPEAR STATUE REFERENCED TO AS THE BROWNFIELD ACT. PARTIES -- THE NONCONTAMINATING PARTY. IF YOU CONTAMINATED IT, YOU ARE NOT ELIGIBLE. IF YOU COME UNTIL AND WANT TO DEVELOP A SITE AND PREVIOUS CONTAMINATION AND YOU PAID TO CLEAN IT UP, YOU CAN APPLY FOR A BROWNFIELD DESIGNATION WHICH IS THE VERY FIRST STEP IN ENTERING INTO THE BROWNFIELD PROGRAM. ONLY PART OF THE MUNICIPALITY -- AND THE CITY OF TAMPA, SIMPLY THE ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS OF SAYING, YES, THEY MEET THE CRITERIA TO BE CATEGORIZED AS A BROWNFIELD, SO, THEREFORE, WE BRING FORTH THE APPLICATION FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION WHETHER OR NOT TO DESIGNATE IT. AFTER THAT, THE APPLICANT AND DEVELOPER GO BACK TO THE STATE TO MOVE FORWARD ON WHAT THE PLAN IS AND WHAT THEY WILL DO AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. IN THIS CASE, THE DEVELOPER LIKELY DID THAT AHEAD OF TIME BEFORE THE DESIGNATION WHICH IS ALLOWED. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 60? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOTION CLOSE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AND THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM NOVEMBER 21, 2024 AT 5:01 P.M. 315 E. KENNEDY, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33062. UNITED STATES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HENDERSON NORTH AMERICA. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. CHAIR IT CAME TO OUR ATTENTION AFTER PUBLIC HEARING AND BREAK, WE HAD A NOTICE ISSUE ON ITEM 61 AND 62. I GOT TWO MOTIONS TO CURE THOSE. I MOVE TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING -- THIS IS FOR ITEM 16. I MOVE TO HAVE SET A PUBLIC HEARING DECEMBER 5, 2024 AT 10:30 A.M. OR SOON THEREAFTER IN CITY COUNCIL'S CHAMBER 315 E. KENNEDY, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33062 BROWNFIELD PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 376 FLORIDA STATUTE FOR PROPERTY GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE EAST YBOR AREA WITH 0.51 ACRES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND. MR. SHELBY, I KNOW THERE IS A GENTLEMAN IN THE AUDIENCE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WANT TO NOTE. IS THIS ISSUE RESOLVED THEN? I WAS NOT AWARE OF THIS MOTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SORRY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T KNOW THE BACKGROUND OF IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL BRIEF YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DOES THE GENTLEMAN WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK? >>MARTIN SHELBY: SIR, ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COME ON UP. WE NEED TO GET YOU AT THE FRONT WITH THE MICROPHONE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXPLANE. I WILL FIND OUT WHAT'S WHAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS IS RESCHEDULE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> MATTHEW RADDACK -- JUST INFORMED AND THAT THE REAL MEETING WOULD BE DECEMBER 5, SO I CAN MAKE MY COMMENTS THEN IF I HAVE ANY MORE, CORRECT? >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S CORRECT. I WANT TO CLARIFY, THIS IS A MOTION FOR COUNCIL TO SET THE PUBLIC HEARING BUT STILL REQUIRES IT TO BE NOTICED AGAIN, IS THAT CORRECT? THIS IS NOT A CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING. SO THIS GENTLEMAN BEING WITHIN 00 FEET SHOULD BE RECEIVING -- NO? MAYBE I NEED -- SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE EXPLAINED THAT THE PUBLIC MIGHT WANT TO KNOW. >> McLANE EVANS, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY. SO THERE WAS CONFUSION IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT. HE BELIEVE HE MUST HAVE BEEN REFERENCING CITY AND WILL USE NOTICING REQUIREMENTS. THERE BROWNFIELD ACTS STATUTORY PROCESS THROUGH CHAPTER 166 OF FLORIDA STATUTES. NO INDIVIDUAL MAILER AS PART OF THAT NOTICE. THE REASON 62 AND 63 WERE MISNOTICED PUBLISHED ON NOVEMBER 1 AND IT NEEDS TO BE PUBLISHED AT LEAST SEVEN DAYS BEFORE THE FIRST MEETING AND THE INTENT WASSED TO TO BE THE FIRST MEETING AND WE ONLY NOTICE IT SIX DAYS IN ADVANCE. AT THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL, WE WOULD LIKE THE ALREADY ANNOUNCED AND NOTICE EVENING NOVEMBER 1 AT 5:01 P.M. OR SOON THEREFORE TO BE THE FIRST MEETING NOW. AND THE SECOND MEETING WILL BE THE DAYTIME MEETING THAT COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN JUST MADE THE MOTION FOR IF COUNCIL AGREES DECEMBER 5 AT 10:30 A.M. TODAY IS NOT A HEARING. >> THIS IS JUST SETTING COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM CONFUSED FIRST MEETING IS NOT THE 5th BUT 1st? >> CORRECT, COUNCIL HAS ALREADY ANNOUNCED AND NOTICED TODAY AND NOVEMBER 21. THE STATUTE REQUIRES HEARINGS, ONE NIGHTTIME, ONE DAYTIME. WE WILL KEEP THE 21st. >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST SO THE PUBLIC -- THE GENTLEMAN KNOWS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN ONE LAST THING. DOES THE -- DOES THE DECEMBER 5 DATE NEED TO BE RETEASED OR NO? >> THE DECEMBER 5th DATE WILL NEED TO BE PUBLISHED IN THE PAPER BUT NO MALARS WILL BE AGAIN BECAUSE NOT PART OF THE BROWNFIELD'S NOTIFICATION PROCESS. IT IS THE SIGNAGE ON THE PROPERTY IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE BECAUSE ALREADY OWNED PROPERTY ON-SITE OR CLOSE AS POSSIBLE. IN AUGUST, THERE WAS A PUBLIC MEETING. SO -- BUT BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, THERE NEEDS TO BE TWO HEARINGS, THE 1 SOCIAL SECURITY OF NOVEMBER WILL BE THE FIRST AND IF COUNCIL APPROVES DECEMBER 5th WILL BE THE SECOND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DON'T REMEMBER YOUR NAME. ARE YOU COMFORT WHAT THE BROWNFIELD DESIGNATION IS AND STAFF IS ABLE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT WITH YOU? >> YES, SIR. THAT WILL GIVE ME A LITTLE BELT MORE TIME TO LEARN ABOUT IT. I APPRECIATE IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. ITEM 26, COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ITEM 26, SAME ISSUE. TO CURE ITEM 26, MOVE A PUBLIC HEARING DECEMBER 5, 2024 AT 10:30 OR SOON THEREAFTER AT CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS. THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 33062 FOR PROPOSED DESIGNATION FOR REHAB TAILINGS FLORIDA STATUTE FOR PROPERTY GENERALLY LOCATED 813 CHANNELSIDE DRIVE 0.49 ACRES IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND. COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN IS THE MOTION. SECOND BE COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVE THE 1:30 PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE MOVED TO OPEN THEM AND REQUEST TO WITHDRAW 55 AND 56. MAY I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. SECONDED BY COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? >>GWEN HENDERSON: 56 AND 66? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM. ITEM NUMBER 67. A FIRST READING, YES, MA'AM. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: GOOD AFTERNOON, CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. ITEM NUMBER 67 IS AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING TO REPEAL CODE SECTION 18-8, WHICH IS REGARDING THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD. ON JUNE 6, 2024, THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT GAVE A PRESENTATION ON HOUSE BILL 601 THAT IMPACTS THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD. AFTER THE PRESENTATION, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A MOTION FOR THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO PROVIDE AN ORDER REPEALING CODE SECTION 18-8 THAT IS BEFORE YOU THIS AFTERNOON. TUFRLG PUBLIC COMMENT, CITY COUNCIL RECEIVED PUBLIC COMMENT BE FROM MR. ALBERT COOK, WHO IS THE CHAIR OF THE NEWLY ENACTED CHIEFS ADVISORY COUNT FROM CHIEF BERCAW. WE HAVE ALSO HERE WITH ME MIKE SCHMID, THE LEGAL ADVISOR FOR THAT COUNCIL IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS. BUT THE UPDATED INFORMATION WITH HOW THE CITY HAS REACTED AS -- IN REGARDS TO AND RESULT OF HOUSE BILL 061. I WOULD ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE ON FIRST READING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS? MR. SCMID, ANYTHING YOU NEED TO ADD? NO. ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISH TO SPEAK ON ITEM NUMBER 57. A MOTION TO CLOSE FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO CLOSE IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. READ ITEM 67. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL. I MOVE FILE NUMBER E 2024-8, CHAPTER EVERY 18 ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, REPEALING THE CITY OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES SECTION 18-8, CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD FOR THE CITY FOR THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY. PROCEEDING FOR APPEAL OF ALL ORDINANCES AND CONFLICT. PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN AND SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: IT WAS CLEARLY STATED EVEN BY THE PERSON WHO SPONSORED THE BILL, NO BOARDS WOULD HAVE TO BE CLOSED. WE ARE NOT CLOSING BECAUSE WE HAVE TO, BUT BECAUSE WE WANT TO. THIS IS MY OPINION AND WHAT I READ FOUND OUT. I DON'T BELIEVE WE NEED TO CLOSE IT. IF YOU CHOOSE TO, IT IS ON YOU. I AM VOTING NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: INITIALLY I SUPPORTED IT AND I AM GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT BECAUSE I DISAGREE WITH THE LEGAL OPINIONS. I GOTTEN SEVERAL LEGAL OPINIONS AND IT APPEARS WE DO NOT NEED TO VOTE ON DO THIS. FOR THE PUBLIC THERE ARE MOST LIKELY WILL BE REPEALED AND WON'T BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD. I WAS AN ACTIVIST IN 2015 WHEN BIKING WHILE BLACK CAME OUT. AND WHAT HAPPENED AT THE TIME 22 CIVIL RIGHTS GROUP CAME TOGETHER AND PROTESTED THE BUCKHORN ADMINISTRATION FOR ESSENTIALLY RACIST POLICIES INSIDE THE CITY OF TAMPA. THAT POLICY AND THE SUBSEQENT ONE THAT THE TAMPA BAY TIMES RENTING WHILE BLACK RESULTED IN THE UNITED STATES JUSTICE DEPARTMENT CIVIL RIGHTS INVESTIGATION. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE RENTING WHILE BLACK INVESTIGATION BY THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT IS STILL GOING ON. THE CRB -- FOR ANY OF THE ACTIVISTS -- THE CRB WAS NOT MEANT TO POLICE THE POLICE, IT IS MEANT AS A REACTION TO CONTROL AN ADMINISTRATION THAT CREATED RACIST POLICIES. SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A CHARTER AAMENDMENT THAT WILL PREVENT FUTURE ADMINISTRATIONS FROM DOING THAT. WE WILL NOT HAVE RACIST POLICIES IN THE CITY. A BEG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ENFORCING THE LAW. WE NEED TO STAND BEHIND OUR POLICE OFFICERS. AND WE NEED TO ENFORCE OUR LAWS, BUT WE SHOULD NOT CREATE POLICIES THAT INTENTIONALLY DISCRIMINATE PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. YOUR MICROPHONE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: JUST FOR CLARITY OF MY OWN MIND. NO ONE FROM THE CITY COUNCIL WANTED TO DO THIS. IT WAS BROUGHT UP BY SOMEBODY IN TALLAHASSEE, THAT'S CORRECT? >> CORRECT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MADE THESE BOARDS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA. >> CORRECT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE ARE HELPFUL TO MAINTAIN CONTACT WITH THE COMMUNITY WITH THE NEW WAY OF DOING IT WITHOUT IT BEING A LAW. >> CORRECT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU. I WANTED THAT ON THE RECORD. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IN CONCEPT WHAT THE CITY OF TAMPA DID WITH THE COMPROMISE OF CREATING THIS REVIEW BOARD WAS THE RIGHT THING AT THAT TIME. IT IS A DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENTS. NOT A CITY OF TAMPA ISSUE. IT IS A TALLAHASSEE ISSUE. WE NEED TO TEAL WITH. I WILL BE SUPPORTING THAT ON THE ADVICE OF OUR LEGAL COUNSEL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO. A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WE PASSED ON THE SECOND TRY A BILL OF RIGHTS WHICH IS THE ONLY CIVIL RIGHTS BILLS THAT WAS PASSED, VOTED DOWN BY COUNCIL. BROUGHT BACK AND WE SUPPORTED IT. THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN TO DO ENHANCE RIGHTS. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS PASSED WHEN WE COULD DO THIS. AS I SAID BEFORE, IF I WAS IN TALLAHASSEE FOR A STATE REPRESENTATIVE. I WOULD HAVE VOTED NO. I THINK THIS IS AWFUL. LOCAL COMMUNITIES HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO CERTAIN THINGS WITHIN PARAMETERS AND I THINK THE CITY OF TAMPA'S CRB WAS SOMETHING THAT WORKED FOR EVERYBODY, POLICE OFFICERS, THE COMMUNITY, ETC., BECAUSE YOU NEED FUNCTIONS THAT PROMOTE COMMUNITY POLICING THAT PROMOTE COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT. THAT PROMOTE SOME LEVEL OF DIALOGUE AND ENGAGEMENT. I THINK THAT IS GOOD FOR COPS. THAT IS GOOD FOR COMMUNITY MEMBERS. I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOOD FOR EVERYBODY. THERE WERE NUMEROUS PROPOSALS TOLL ADD ON TOP THIS COMMITTEE. SOME I VOTED FOR. LIKE THE ATTORNEY. SOME I VOTED AGAINST LIKE SUBPOENA POWER. I TRIED TO TAKE ONE THING AT A TIME. BUT SUPPORTING THE OVERALL THING. HAD THIS COME UP IN TALLAHASSEE, I THINK THAT ALL OF US WOULD VERY LIKELY VOTED AGAINST THAT BILL NOT JUST FOR WHAT TAMPA HAS, BUT WHAT WE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE I THINK IN COMMUNITIES. THE WAY I SEE THIS, OUR HANDS ARE TIED, AS I INTERPRET IT AND SPEAKING WITH COUNSEL. JUST MY OPINION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROLL CALL VOTE. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: NO. >>LYNN HURTAK: NO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON AND HURTAK VOTE NOTHING. SECOND READING AND ADOPTION DECEMBER 5, 2024 AT 10 OKAY A.M. AT 315 E. KENNEDY, THIRD FLOOR, TAMPA, FLORIDA, 3062. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT CONCLUDES THAT. ANYTHING THAT I PULLED THAT WITH AS GOING TO COME FIRST UNDER STAFF REPORT? WE TOOK CARE OF NUMBER 8 -- THAT'S RIGHT, 19-22, THE EVENT PERMITS. ANYBODY HERE FOR 19-22. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I THOUGHT MR. BRODY WAS GOING TO BE HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S GIVE HIM A MOMENT. HE MIGHT POP IN. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE CAN GO BACK. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING UNDER ADMINISTRATION UPDATE OR DID THE CHIEF OF STAFF COVER THAT ALREADY THIS MORNING? YOU ARE GOOD? ITEM NUMBER 69, $6.5 MILLION. MR. BAIRD SENT A MEMO WITH ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. ANYONE HERE FROM STAFF FOR ITEM 69. ANY QUESTIONS OR NEED FOR STAFF? CAN I GET GET A MOTION -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOVE TO ACCEPT -- MOVE THE RESOLUTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. SECONDED BY COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ITEM NUMBER 70 IS $6 MILLION. MR. BAIRD, I SAW HIM ON. DO WE NEED MR. BAIRD FOR ANYTHING? MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. FAVOR FAVOR. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A -- WE HAVE ANOTHER CONTRACT, $14.3 MILLION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. SECONDED FROM VIERA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ALL RIGHT. MR. BHIDE WILL PRESENT ON 7 AND -- SORRY, BEFORE -- JUST REAL QUICK. WILL BRODY, 19-23. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CARL BRODY, LEGAL DEPARTMENT. I JUST WANTED TO COME FORWARD TO DISCUSS THE SPECIAL EVENTS ORDINANCE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >> SPECIFICALLY WHAT OCCURRED ON THIS SITUATION IS THAT THE ITEMS 19, 20, 21 AND 22 WERE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL BEFORE THE -- BEFORE THE HURRICANES -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: YOU ARE OUT OF BREATH. >> I AM OUT OF BREATH. I RAN UP HERE -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: TECHNOLOGY -- >> YES, SO THOSE WERE APPROVED BY COUNCIL BACK AT A PREVIOUS MEETING. AND BECAUSE OF HURRICANES THE STATES HAD TO CHANGE THAT'S WHY THIS WITH AS BROUGHT BACK TO PROVIDE NOTICE OF THE DATE CHANGES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THESE DATES HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED? WHY DO WE HAVE TO ACT ON THEM? SO WHY DO WE HAVE TO ACTON? >> I THINK THAT IT WAS PROVIDED AS COURTESY, BECAUSE UNDER THE ORDINANCE, YOU ARE REQUIRED TO APPROVE ANY SPECIAL EVENTS. SINCE IT WAS ALREADY APPROVED TECHNICALLY, HE DIDN'T HAVE TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU. BUT AS A MATTER JUST TO MAKE YOU AWARE THAT DATES HAVE CHANGED, HE BROUGHT IT BACK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. MULKEY, ANYTHING TO ADD? >>TONY MULKEY: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL, TONY MULKEY, PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. I WANTED TO ADD A LITTLE DETAIL THAT THE ONLY ONE OF THESE EVENTS THAT TOOK PLACE IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY WAS THE ALZHEIMER'S WALK AND THAT HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ON I THINK IT WAS AUGUST 22 THAT ONE WAS APPROVED BE COUNCIL. SO THIS IS BRINGING IT BACK SO OUR FILES WERE KIND OF COMPLAINT AND CURED WITH THE CODE. WANTED TO MAKE SURE. OTHERS WERE EVENT DETAILS THE THIRD THURSDAY ONE IS ACTUALLY FOR A FULL QUARTER OF THREE EVENTS. SO THAT -- THAT DOES HAVE FUTURE EVENTS N THERE. WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT GOT IN FRONT OF COUNCIL. THAT IS BECAUSE OF THE HURRICANES. THOSE EVENTS STILL HAVE SOME DATES TAKING PLACE IN NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. DO YOU WANT TO MOVE THOSE ITEMS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MOVE 219-22. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. BRODY. WE GO TO 2772 AND 73. ASK COUNCIL TO LET MR. BHIDE TO FINISH HIS PRESENTATION. >>GWEN HENDERSON: HOW WOULD WE NOT LET HIM FINISH? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS IS TAMPA CITY COUNCIL. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I RECOGNIZE US. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. BHIDE, GO THROUGH YOUR PRESENTATION AND WE WILL HOLD QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, NO INTERRUPTIONS UNTIL YOU ARE FINISHED. >>VIK BHIDE: GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIR AND COUNCIL. VIK BHIDE, MOW BELT DEPARTMENT. HERE TO ADDRESS ITEMS 72 AND 73. A MEMO TO THAT EFFECT WAS SENT BY ME TO COUNCIL A LITTLE LATHE, BUT IT IS ON THE FILE SO YOU HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY THIS MORNING. THIS PROJECT IS THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOODING RELIEF PROCESS. THAT IS WHAT THESE TWO MOTIONS ARE ABOUT. HE WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE WITH THIS PROJECT. CAME ABOUT - I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR CLARIFICATION. WHAT OUR GOALS ARE WITH THIS PROJECT, HOW THE CONTRACTOR WAS SELECTED, AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS PUT OUT THERE. INVALID CONCERNS, I WOULD SAY. FIRST AND FOREMOST, THIS PROJECT ADDRESSES THE WATER SHED THAT IS ENCLOSED BY PALMA CEIA VINES, PARKWOOD ESTATES, BAYSHORE GARDEN -- YEAH, BAYSHORE GARDEN AND ONE OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD. THIS WAS DOCUMENTED IN THE ORIGINAL STUDY BY JMP. AND ON PEND ONE, IT KIND OF SHOWS WHAT THE WATERSHED IS. YEAH, SURE. SO I AM GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS SECOND FIRST WE HAVE KNOWN THAT THIS AREA OR THIS WATER HEAD IN AN INSUFFICIENT DRAINAGE SYSTEM AND A OUTFALL SYSTEM FOR AT LEAST MORE THAN TWO DECADES. WE KNOW THIS AREA HAS INSUFFICIENT DRAINAGE. THE CHALLENGE HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN RESOURCES WHICH WAS ADDRESSED IN 2016 BY THE IMPROVEMENT 'SESMENT. THANK YOU, CHAIR, FOR BEING THE CRITICAL VOTE ON THAT. AND THAT CREATED THE RESOURCES FOR THIS PROJECT. WE STUDIED THIS FOR THE LAST NINE YEARS, THE STORMWATER AND ENGINEERING TEAM AND WE HAVE A VERY PROFICIENT TEAM THAT HAS LOOKED AT VARIOUS OPTIONS THROUGH TWO CONSULTANT AND INHOUSE STUDIES. WE HAVE DEWBERRY DO WORK AND JMT. IN 2022, WELL JMT LOOK AT ALL THESE STUDIES WITH THE GOAL OF FEASIBLE AND REAL STBLG ALTERNATIVES FOR PROJECTS. PRESENT RECOMMENDATIONS. WE LOOKED AT 19 ROUTE OPTIONS I WILL BRING THIS PICTURE HERE JUST TO GIVE COUNCIL AN IDEA. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT. >>VIK BHIDE: AND BAYSHORE IS DOWN HERE. SO THIS STUDY HAS RECEIVED CAREFUL STUDY CONSIDERATION. THIS ENTIRE ASSESSMENT AND REVIEW. IN JUNE OF 2022, THIS PROJECT FIRST AND IN -- IN THE QUARTERLY REPORT THAT WE SUBMIT TO COUNCIL THAT HIGHLIGHTS ALL OF OUR MAJOR PROJECTS. AND THAT LISTED AS ONE OF THE MAJOR PROJECTS. IT HIGHLIGHTS SMALLER PROJECTS, SECTION TWO OF THAT QUARTERLY REPORT AND I KNOW THERE IS DISCUSSION ABOUT IT EARLIER TODAY BREAKS DOWN HOW MUCH WE HAVE COLLECT IN SERVICE AND IMPROVEMENT. THERE HAS BEEN SOME CONFUSION AND QUESTION OF WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SERVICE AND THE IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT. I WILL REITERATE, THE IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT PAYS FOR LARGE CAPITAL PROJECTS LIKE THE ONE RIGHT NOW. THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT IS TWO THINGS. ONE IS THE STORMWATER OPERATIONS I DID VILGS VISION. THE TEAM THAT GOES THERE BEFORE THE STORM, AFTER THE STORM, AND DOES SOME PORTION OF MAINTENANCE. OTHER PORTION OF MEAT NANCE IS DONE BY CONTRACTORS. ALL OF OUR PRODUCTION WORK IS DOCUMENTED ON TAMPA.GOV/METRICS UNDER MOW BELT AND STORMWATER OPERATIONS. AND METRICS. IN ADDITION TO THAT I RECEIVE WEEKLY METRICS FROM OUR STORMWATER OPERATIONS TEAM. AGAIN A BACK GROUND ON ALL OF THAT. SO, AGAIN, WE HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS FOR DECADES. WE PLAN DIFFERENT ROUTES. WE PRESENTED FEASIBLE REALISTIC ALTERNATIVE OF LEVERAGING SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE THIS IS HOW THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOODING RELIEF PROJECT CAME ABOUT. REASON -- THE MAIN THREE REASONS FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD ROUTE. ONE IS, THERE IS A BOX PUT IN 40 OR 50 YEARS BACK UNDER THE CSX TRACKS. THIS IS CRITICAL, BECAUSE CSX COORDINATION AS MANY OF YOU KNOW CAN DELAY ANY PROJECT BY SEVERAL YEARS. IT HAS HAPPENED BEFORE. AND THAT IS A FACTOR. THE OTHER PART OF THIS -- BECAUSE THIS IS A GRAVITY SYSTEM, THE OUTFALL GOES OUT TO BAYSHORE. THERE IS AN EXISTING BOX AT HOWARD AND BAYSHORE. SO LEVERAGING THESE TWO ASSETS AND THEN LEVERAGING A LINEAR PATH WHICH IS A SECOND PIECE OF IT BECAUSE IT IS A GRAVITY SYSTEM AND YOU DON'T WANT A LOT OF 90-DEGREE TURNS. A LINEAR PATH TO CONVEY WATER DOWN TO THE OUTFALL WAS THE OTHER REASONS THIS WAS. THE THIRD REASON HAS TO DO WITH COST AND VIABILITY. AND THERE ARE MANY FACTORS ARE RELATED TO VIABILITY, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO COST WITH STORMWATER PROJECTS, EN BOX CULVERT PROJECTS. AND I WILL TOUCH UP ON WHY POND ARE IN THE FEASIBLE AND OTHER OPTIONS THAT WERE DISCUSSED TODAY IS SIMPLY THE DISTANCE OF THE PROJECT. THE LENGTH OF THE PROJECT DRIVES THE COST BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE BOX. SO MacDILL WAS MENTIONED EARLIER TODAY. A PROJECT ALONG MacDILL TO IMPACT THIS BASIN BOOK 50% LONGER IN LENGTH. PLUS IT CON FACILITATES THE DESIGN BECAUSE THE BOX MAY HAVE TO BE LARGER. WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET, BECAUSE THAT IS A FUNCTION OF DESIGN. BECAUSE IT COLLECTS OTHER DRAINAGE BASINS ALONG THE WAY. THE SAME WITH SWANN GOING OUT TO BAYSHORE, ABOUT 30% LARGER. SO SOUTH HOWARD OR ADJACENT ROUTES WERE THE MOST VIABLE. SO THAT IS ABOUT THE ROUTE AS I MENTIONED THE PROJECT WAS DEFINED IN THE QUARTERLY REPORT OF 2022 AND IN 2023, WE SELECTED THE DESIGN-BUILD TEAM FOR THIS PROBABLY. THIS WAS DONE USING THE CCNA METHOD. HOW WE SELECT ALL DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACTS. IT IS THE PROPER METHOD FOR LARGE PROJECTS. THIS IS A PROGRESSIVE DESIGN-BUILD PROJECT. WE SELECTED KIMMONS FOR THE PROJECT WITH ATKINS REALIS AND SLEW OF SUB CONSULTANTS. SIM KIMMONS HAS A STELLAR TRACK RECORD. THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF FINISHING THE MacDILL 48 LOWER PENINSULA PROJECT. THIS PROJECT WON THE ASC, AMERICAN SOCIETY OF CIVIL ENGINEER AWARDS A THIS YEAR'S ANNUAL MEETING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. SO IT IS AN AWARD-WINNING PROJECT. THIS PROJECT, ALONG WITH OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE DONE SINCE 2016 AND THE IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT. SO I AM TALKING OF CYPRESS STREET. SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS. UPPER PENINSULA BY DALE MABRY AND HENDERSON. ALL OF THESE PROJECTS THROUGH THE TWO STORMS THAT WE JUST HAD THROUGH THE RECORD WETTEST SEPTEMBER TO DATE PERFORMED VERY WELL. DRAINAGE SYSTEM IN THESE PROJECT AREAS WORK WELL. WE KNOW THESE PROJECTS WORK WELL. NO REASON TO BELIEVE THIS PROJECT WILL NOT DELIVER THE OUTCOME THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR AND WHATEVER THOSE OUTCOMES, THE OUT OUTCOMES ULTIMATELY THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS ARE TO BUILD THE LARGEST POSSIBLE STORMWATER SYSTEM TO MITIGATE FLOODING WITHIN THIS BASIN. WE HAVE MODELLED THE BOX FOR 100 YEAR EVENT AND ALL THE OTHER SUB SYSTEMS WILL BE MODELLED FOR THE LARGEST CAPACITY. BASED ON OUR MODELLING SO FAR, EVENTS LIKE WE HAVE SEEN RECENTLY WILL COST STREET FLOODING AND WOULD HAVE MITIGATED A MAPJORITY. AND THIS IS PACED ON MODELING AFTER THE STORM KNOWING THE ORIGINAL MODELING WITH THE -- OUR EXPERIENCE WITH OTHER STORMWATER PROJECTS THAT ARE SIMILAR TO THIS. I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT -- ABOUT OUTREACH AND SOME OF THE RESOURCES WHERE YOU CAN FIND INFORMATION ON THIS PROJECT. SO WE HAVE ALREADY DONE A LOT OF PRELIMINARY OUTREACH ON THIS PROJECT. THERE WAS CONCERN OF US NOT HAVING DOING ENOUGH OUTREACH AND BEFORE A RFQ WAS RELEASED, WE MET WITH KEY MEMBERS, NEIGHBORHOOD MEMBERS. AND MET WITH THE BUSINESS ALLIANCE. THIS PROJECTS LIKE THESE WILL BE IMPACTFUL AND PROJECTS LIKE THESE GENERATIONAL PROJECTS. AND SET FORTH INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE NEXT 50 TO 70 2023-2024 QUESTION GOT 100-YEAR-OLD INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE CITY TODAY. AND ENGINEER SPEAK, THE WARRANTY IS 50 YEARS I GUESS BUT THIS INFRASTRUCTURE WILL LAST A LONG TIME CONSIDERS SEALEVEL RISE. WE WILL HAVE TO CONSIDER SEA LEVEL RISE AND WHEN WE GET INTO THE DESIGN PHASE OF THIS CONTRACT, IT WILL CONSIDER THE LATEST AVAILABLE DATA IN LIGHT OF OUR RESILIENCE CHALLENGES BUT THE FUNDEE FOR THIS PROJECT IS VARIED. $11 MILLION COMMITTED BY THEA AND COMMITTING $11 MILLION AS THEY DO THE SELMON EXPRESSWAY PROJECT, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO SOME MITIGATION, SO THERE IS SOME -- SOME VALUE FOR BOTH ENTITY IN THIS PARTNERSHIP. SO WE ARE BENEFITTING FROM THAT. AS IS THEA I WOULD SAY. FDEP THROUGH THEIR RESILIENT FLORIDA PROGRAM AWARDED THE CITY A $10 MILLION GRANT THAT COUNCIL GRACIOUSLY APPROVED EARLIER THIS YEAR. THIS WAS A COMPETITIVE GRANT AND COME WITH VERY CLEAR GUIDELINES AND A REVIEW PROCESS. THIS MONEY COULD HAVE GONE ANYWHERE AND SAW THE VALUE IN INVESTING IN THIS PROJECT FOR THE ANTICIPATED OUTCOMES. I SON-IN-LAW SAY THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL SET OF EYES THAT VALIDATE THIS APPROACH. AND THIS PROJECT. I WOULD LIKE TO NOW HIGHLIGHT A FEW ITEMS THAT THE COMMUNITY HAD MENTIONED RELATIVE TO JUST VARIOUS CONCERNS. SO I THINK THE ISSUE OF SURGE WAS BROUGHT UP. THAT THEY PUT IN A BOX CULVERT WITH AN OUTFALL. THEN THAT BECOMES SUSCEPTIBLE TO SURGE AS THE WATER SURGES UP THE BOX. WHICH IS A GOOD POINT. WHICH IS A VALID POINT WHAT I WILL ADD TO THAT ABSENT A BOX, THE WATER IS STILL COMING IN. BUT NOW YOU HAVE A BOX TO STORE SOME OF THAT WATER AND SOME OF IT MAY COME OUT WHERE YOU HAVE INLETS. THAT HAPPENS. WE SEE THAT IN VERY LOW LYING AREAS RIGHT NOW. WITH DAYLIGHT FLOODING EVENT DURING KING TIDES THIS WILL CONTINUE WHICH IS WHY WE NEED INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE THIS. THE GULF WATER HAVE SET A RECORD YEAR UPON YEAR, THE WARMER THE GULF WATERS, THE STRONGER THE STORMS WE WILL HAVE. THIS DOES NOT CHANGE. WE NEED INFRASTRUCTURE IN A HURRY. GOOD NEWS IS WE HAVE THE FUND. USUALLY OUR CHALLENGE IS WE DON'T HAVE THE FUND AND DON'T HAVE A DEFINED PROJECT. THE GOOD NEWS IS WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR THAT THE COMMUNITY TRUSTS THAT HAS A GREAT TRACK RECORD OF DELIVERING PROJECTS. AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE THIS PROJECT AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. ON THAT NOTE, I KNOW OTHER OPTIONS ARE REPRESENTED POTENTIALLY GETTING THIS WORK DONE EVEN SOONER. WE HAVE REVIEWED SOME OF THOSE OPTIONS PUT FORTH, AND WE DO NOT FEEL THAT THEY ARE FEASIBLE GIVEN THE POLICY FRAMEWORK THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW WITHIN THE C CITY, BE IT EMERGENCY POWERS, BE IT THE REQUIREMENT FOR CONTRACTING. WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT DESIGN-BUILD VERSUS DESIGN BID BILL BUILD. LET ME TOUCH ON THAT A LITTLE BIT. THIS -- THIS METHOD -- PROGRESSIVE DESIGN-BUILD OFFERS EVERY OPPORTUNITY THAT DESIGN BID BILL OFFERS. MEANING OF THAT WE ARE GOING TO BEGIN WITH THE DESIGN TASK. THATCH DESIGN TASK IS GOING TO INCLUDE AN UNPRECEDENTED AMOUNT OF RESOURCES FOR OUR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. AT EVERY LEVEL, CONCEPT, 30%, 60%, 90% DESIGN. PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT DESIGN TO GET THE INPUTS. A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS WE HEARD AND CONCERNS FROM NEIGHBORS ABOUT THIS PROJECT ARE RELATIVE TO THE DESIGN. THEY ARE NOT RELATIVE TO PLANNING. AND THAT IS SOME OF THE MESSAGING WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET OUT THERE. SOME GETTING THAT DESIGN STARTED WILL ACTUALLY START ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS. ONCE DESIGN IS COMPLETE AS IT GOES WITH ALL THE DESIGN-BUILD PROJECTS, COUNCIL WILL HAVE A SECOND STAB OF IMPROVING THE GMP, OR THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS FOR THIS. SO IN THAT SENSE, IT IS SIMILAR TO DESIGN BID BUILD. THE KEY DIFFERENCES IS WITH THE PROGRESSIVE DESIGN-BUILD ARE THE FOLLOWING, ONE IS A ACCOUNTABILITY. WE HAVE ONE PARTY THAT IS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE ENTIRE PROCESS. THAT REALLY HELPS. THE SECOND IS SCHEDULE. PROGRESSIVE DESIGN BUILDS ARE ACTUALLY FASTER. AND THE REASON THEY ARE FASTER IS AS SUBSTANTIAL DESIGN IS BEING COMPLETED, THE BUILDER THAT IS TYPICALLY THE CLIENT KNOWS WHAT EQUIPMENT TO ORDER. LEAD TIMES ARE SHORTER. STARTS WORKING ON MEANS AND METHODS OF CONSTRUCTION. AND THAT ALLOWS FOR THOSE SCHEDULES TO BE COMPRESSED A LITTLE BIT AS WELL. AND THE THIRD IS COST FOR LARGE PROJECTS. PROGRESSIVE DESIGN-BUILD IS TYPICALLY THE PREFERRED METHOD BECAUSE WE CAN BE A LOWER COST. SO THERE WILL BE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. PUBLIC WILL GET A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN BEFORE THIS GOES TO CONSTRUCTION, BUT THE BUILDER WILL HAVE MUCH BETTER INFORMATION IN ADVANCE TO STAGE THE CONSTRUCTION, TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS AND THERE WILL BE IMPACTS, AND TO PLAN THE PROBABLY -- THE OVEROVER PROJECT BETTER. I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT ANOTHER POINT OR ADVANTAGE ABOUT THIS DURING THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. THE COMMUNITY HALLS THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE DESIGN BUILDER. WHAT PARAMETERS THEY WANT FOR CONSTRUCTION. DO THEY WANT TO WORK THROUGH WEEKENDS. DO WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH NIGHTS SO THAT IMPACT SCHEDULE. THESE FLEXIBILITIES ARE AVAILABLE IN THE CONTRACT. WHAT WE HAVE PROVIDED IN TERMS OF ANTICIPATED SCHEDULE, WHAT WE HAVE PROVIDED IN TERMS OF ANTICIPATED SCOPE IS TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF DISRUPTION TO BUSINESSES ALONG HOWARD AVENUE. AND WE HAVE SHARED THE BEST AVAILABLE INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE WE HAVE THE CONTRACTOR WITH US WHEN WE MET WITH THE BUSINESS ALLIANCE OR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. FINALLY, I WANT TO CLOSE WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION. SO AS THE MEMO STATES IN NO UNCERTAIN TERMS -- WELL, BEFORE I GET TO THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SHARE OUR STAFF ARE DRIVEN BY PUBLIC SERVICE. WE HAVE A REALLY, REALLY GOOD TEAM AT THE STORMWATER ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE 1 ENGINEERS AND TECHNICIANS. THIS IS THE LARGER TEAM THAN MOST LARGE CONSULTING TERMS IN OUR STORMWATER DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE A DESIGN ENGINEER THAT WAS A CONSULTANT FOR DECADES BEFORE DECIDING HE WANTED TO GO INTO PUBLIC SERVICE. HE IS OUR CHIEF DESIGN ENGINEER NOW. WE HAVE A STORMWATER MAJOR THAT WORKED FOR SOUT.W.F.W.M.D. HER SPECIALTY IS WATER SHED MANAGEMENT. SHE IS LEADING OUR WATER SHED. OUR STAFF COMES FROM A PLACE OF PUBLIC SERVICE TO DELIVER THE BEST POSSIBLE INFRASTRUCTURE. AND STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT -- IS TO ACHIEVE THE FASTEST AND MOST EFFECTIVE WAY TO BRING FLOODING RELIEF TO PARKLAND HE IS STATES, PALMA CEIA PIPES AND ASSOCIATED DRAINAGE BASIN, WE ASK THAT ON NOVEMBER 21, WE WILL BRING TO YOU IT A DESIGN TASK THAT INCLUDES PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT. THAT IS THE WAY TO GET THE PROJECT STARTED. WE ASK THAT COUNCIL APPROVE THAT TASK AND PUT US AND KIMMONS TO WORK TOWARD THIS PROJECT. AT THIS POINT, I WILL TAKE THIS INTO CONSIDERATION. >> COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN HAS HIS MICROPHONE ON FIRST. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN YOU PUT THE PROBABLY MAP THAT YOU HAVE BACK ON? >>VIK BHIDE: THE ROUTE MAP? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES PLEASE. I WANT TO SAY THAT WHAT HAPPENED IS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THERE ISN'T -- THERE HAVEN'T PAN ROUTE DECIDED UPON YET. >>VIK BHIDE: A FINAL ROUTE HAS NOT BEEN SELECTED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SOMEHOW IN THE PUBLIC INFORMATION, THERE WAS AN ASSUMPTION THAT A FINAL ROUTE HAD BEEN DETERMINED AND THAT SET OFF A FIRESTORM THAT -- THAT THIS WAS ALREADY SET IN STONE AND SO PEOPLE STARTED GETTING, YOU KNOW, UPSET, BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS ALREADY DECIDED. SO WE ARE NOT THERE? >>VIK BHIDE: CORRECT. LET ME CLARIFY THAT. THIS IS THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT. IT IS ON THE BASIS THAT SOUTH HOWARD IS THE MOST VIABLE AND FEASIBLE ROUTE. HOW THIS PROJECT CONNECTS TO SOUTH HOWARD IS STILL OPEN. THAT IS PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS. AND THAT DESIGN PROCESS WILL FIRST CONSIDER HOW DO WE MOVE WATER BEST, WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS BOTH TO TREES, TO BUSINESSES, TO RESIDENCES, ALL OF THAT. THAT IS A FUNCTION AND FLEXIBILITY AVAILABLE TO THE DESIGNERS THROUGH THE PROCESS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AND INITIALLY AS THIS WAS CONCEIVED BETWEEN THEA AND, YOU KNOW, EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE OUTFALL. THIS MOSTLY WAS -- HAD TO DO WITH SOUTH OF SWANN AND -- BUT NOW WE ARE EXPANDING THE CONCEPT BECAUSE OF CONCERNS BETWEEN KENNEDY BOULEVARD AND SWANN AND FRESH WATER. THIS IS AN EXPANDED SCOPE? >>VIK BHIDE: LET ME CLARIFY THAT. NOT AN EXPANDED SCOPE BUT DOESN'T PRECLUDE ANYTHING NORTH OF SWANN. THIS IS PART OF ONE WATER SHED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM GOING TO GET TO THAT. KEEP IN YOUR HAND BECAUSE I STILL HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. >>VIK BHIDE: SURE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MY UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS PART OF THE MISCONCEPTION AS WELL. BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT -- WE LIVE IN FLORIDA WITH A CAPITAL F, THAT PEOPLE THINK OF FLOODING DURING THESE STORMS AS STORM SURGE TYPE OF FLOODING AND FLOOD ZONES AND WHATNOT. THIS AREA AND OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY THAT EXPERIENCE THIS FLOODING ARE BASINS. AND IT IS ME UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WATER SHED BASIN NATURALLY POOLS WATER. THE ONLY WAY TO GET WATER OUT OF THIS BASIN IS BY MAN-MADE WAYS OF GETTING IT OUT. WITHOUT MAN-MADE INTERVENTION BASICALLY A BOWL. IF I LOOK AT THE TOP GRAPHICAL MAP, IT IS A BOWL V. >>VIK BHIDE: IT IS A SYSTEM THAT THE HIGHEST POINT IS PALMA CEIA PINES. HIGHER POINT BEYOND THAT KENNEDY AS WELL. THEN PARKLAND ESTATES AND KIND OF FLOWS DOWN. YOU SEE THAT ON HOWARD AVENUE. IN ESSENCE BY UPGRADING THE SYSTEM AT PARKLAND HE IS SKATES, AND ON SOUTH, IT DIRECTLY IMPACTS AND BENEFITS PALMA CEIA PINES AS WELL THROUGH THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE WHICH IS THE 36-INCH PIPE DOWN AUDUBON. I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT IF YOU DON'T MIND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GO AHEAD. >>VIK BHIDE: AS PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS, THE GOAL IS TO IMPACT THE WATER SHED AND TO BENEFIT THE WATER SHED. IF THE ANALYSIS FINDS THAT WE NEED TO UPGRADE THAT 36-INCH PIPE IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE FROM PALMA CEIA TO BAYSHORE, THAT IS PART OF THE SCOPE OF THE PROC PROCESS. OUR EXISTING ISSUES ARE. AND SOME OF THOSE THINGS I DON'T UNDERSTAND ON YOUR MAP. SO I CAN SEE -- I CAN READ IT BETTER NOW. AND MUST HAVE BEEN. I SEE SWANN AVENUE. POINT OUT HOWARD. LET'S GO NORTH. WE HAVE TWO MAJOR RETENTION PONDS. ONE WAS CREATED RELATIVELY RECENTLY OFF OF TAMPANEA. AND THE OTHER ONE OF MEMORIAL HOSPITAL. WHAT PURPOSES TO THOSE TWO BEG RETENTION PONDS SERVE AND ARE THEY ACTUALLY SERVING THE INTENDED PURPOSE? ARE THEY FUNCTIONAL AND FUNCTIONING THE WAY THEY ANTICIPATED BEING FUNCTIONAL THE WAY THEY WERE INSTRUCTED. >> PART OF A INSUFFICIENT DRAINAGE SYSTEM. WHAT IS UNIQUE OF THE AMI POND, FOR EXAMPLE. GRAVITY WISE, THE AUDUBON PIPE IS AN OVERFLOW TO THAT POND THAT FLOWS DOWN TO PARKLAND ESTATES AND SWANN AND AUDUBON IS KIND OF THE BOTTOM OF THE BOWL WHERE THE WATER COLLECTS. THE PUMP ACTUALY FEEDS AND PUMPS WEST TO THE CLEVELAND BASIN. OF DEVELOPING THE WATER SHED MASTER PLAN WE FEEL PRETTY GOOD NAT CLEVELAND BASIN IS AMONG THE HIGHER SCORING PROJECTS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHERE IS THE OUTFLOW OF THE CLEVELAND BASIN. >>VIK BHIDE: EAST PARK. CLARK, SWANN AND ALL OF THOSE AREAS WHERE WE SEE FLOODING, SIMILAR ISSUES. THAT IS A 1950s SYSTEM. ALL OF THESE ARE INSUFFICIENT SYSTEMS RELATIVE TO WHEN THEY WERE BUILT AND HOW THEY FUNCTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY, SO -- OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE I MADE THE MOTION OF THE BRISTOL MOTION AND I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE CONCERNS AND SPOKE WITH THE MAYOR OF SOME OF THESE THINGS. I CAN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS NOT UNDER ROUTE CONSIDERATION OF USING THAT WIDE CORRIDOR ON SWANN. IF WE ARE TRYING TO CAPTURE WATER IF IT IS COMING FROM THE HIGHER TO LOWER, YOU HAVE THIS BROAD SWANN AVENUE WHICH BY THE WAY SELF-INTEREST, I LIVE ON SWANN. IT WOULD BE AN IMPACT ON ME TO HAVE TO HAVE THIS INCONVENIENCED ON SWANN. BUT -- WHY -- WHY WASN'T -- WHY IS IT NOT BEING CONSIDERED AT LEAST TO HAVE THAT ROUTE AS A CONSIDERATION OF SWANN TO HOWARD. SO WE HAVE THAT ENTIRE SECTION OF HOWARD ON THE NORTH SECTION OF HOWARD IS NOT ON THE CONSIDERATION MAP VICK STLAKZ IS A GOOD QUESTION AND HAS TO DO WITH THREE THINGS. ONE IS IMPACT. THE OTHER IS EXISTING UTILITIES. AND THE THIRD IS RELATIVE TO THE OTHER TWO ROUTES. WHAT -- AGAIN, BACK TO IMPACT, BASICALLY HOW DOES THE HYDROLOGY WORK OUT THERE. BECAUSE IT IS FURTHER NORTH. SO SWANN IS PART OF THE THREE ROUTES THAT WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT SWANN, BRISTOL OR MORRISON. IF IT TURNS THAT SWANN IS THE ROUTE TO BE COLLECTED, THE CHALLENGE WITH SWANN BECAUSE IT HAS OTHER UTILITIES ALREADY UNDER SWANN AVENUE, WE WILL STILL NEED A FULL CLOSURE. WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO LEAVE ANY LANES OPEN. AND SO -- AND THIS IS WITHOUT THE DESIGN HAVING STARTED YET. BUT -- BUT YOU ARE LOOKING AT A POTENTIAL CLOSURE OF ARMENIA, HOWARD AND SWANN AT THE SAME TIME. AND -- AND AN ACCURATE POINT WAS MADE EARLIER TODAY. SOUTH OF SWANN, WE DON'T HAVE A GREAT GRID BETWEEN MacDILL, BAYSHORE GOING NORTH ALL THE WAY BACK TO PLATT OR SWANN. AND SO THAT COULD CREATE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS NOT TO MENTION A SCHOOL OUT THERE AND THE GREEK CHURCH AS WELL AND IMPACTS FOR EVERYONE. THAT IS WHY WE ARE SAYING, LET'S GO THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS. LET'S GO THROUGH ENGAGEMENT AND LET THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES AS PART OF THE PROCESS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SEEMS LIKE THE GAP ON HOWARD AS FAR AS NOT HAVING THE GRID IS BETWEEN BRISTOL AND THAT ONE BLOCK SOUTH OF BRISTOL WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE A GOOD WAY TO GET AROUND THAT ONE BLOCK. THAT IS AN OBSTACLE. >>VIK BHIDE: NOT AN OBSTACLE. NORTH OF AUDUBON NORTH AND SOUTH OF SWANN. THE PIPE HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE. AND THE PIPE IS, THERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS PROJECT EXPANDING THE DIAMETER OF THE PIPE FROM THE ANTIQUATED COLLECTION SYSTEM IN NORTH OF SWANN, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU ARE CONSIDERING OR ASKING THE CONTRACTOR LOOK AT FOR STORMWATER RELIEF IN THAT AREA BETWEEN SWANN AND KENNEDY? >>VIK BHIDE: BETWEEN SWANN AND KENNEDY, WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT IT. AND THE FUNCTION OF THE DESIGN AGAIN. IF THE AUDUBON PIPE IS NOT SUFFICIENT NORTH OF SWANN, UPGRADES WILL BE SUGGESTED TO THAT 36-INCH PIPE. THE SYSTEM PUMPS OUT WEST AND YOU CAN'T DREDGE THESE PONDS ANYMORE BECAUSE OF THE WATER TABLE. AND THEN ON THAT SAME NOTE, ALSO A MENTION ABOUT BALL PARK. AND WE CAN BUILD A POND THERE AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT. FOR THE WATER SHED IN THE FLOOD AREA THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, WE -- WE WOULD REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF REAL ESTATE TO CREATE A VIABLE STORAGE POND. AND THAT STILL HASN'T OVERFLOW CHALLENGE LIKE THE AMR POND WHY THE AUDUBON WAS PUT IN THE FIRST PLACE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS IS MY LAST QUESTION AND I WILL LET THE OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS SPEAK. DON'T LAUGH AT ME -- WITH RAINFALL, THE WAY THIS PROJECT IS NOW CONCEIVED, WHAT IS THE ACTUAL CAPACITY OF RAIN PER HOUR IT WILL BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE WITHOUT A SURGE BACKING UP INTO THE SYSTEM. A CLEAN SYSTEM FROM POINT A ALL THE WAY TO POINT Z, HOW MUCH RAIN IT WILL ABSORB PER HOUR WITHOUT CREATING FRESHWATER FLOODING IN THESE NANDZ? >> THERE IS A MIXED ANSWER TO THAT AND REALLY A FUNK OF DESIGN. THE BOX CULVERTS ARE IN 100 YEAR STORM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHICH WE ARE GETTING EVERY THREE YEARS NOW. [LAUGHTER] >>VIK BHIDE: THE FUNCTION OF THE DESIGN PROCESS AND THE GOAL TO DESIGN THE LARGEST POSSIBLE SYSTEM WITHIN THE PROJECT SCOPE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT I'M TRYING TO AVOID AND I WILL SHUT UP. WHAT I AM TRYING TO AVOID, PEOPLE HAVE A HIGH EXPECTATION OF THIS. AND MY CONCERN IS THAT WE WILL NEVER MEET FOLK'S EXPECTATION. AND ON THE SEVENTH YEAR, PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING TO GET FLOODED. >>VIK BHIDE: VERY GOOD POINT AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CAUTION ON THAT. SO, ONE, WE ANTICIPATE THIS BEING DONE IN FOUR. IN TERMS OF MANAGING EXPECTATIONS, ON PAPERER, NOT IT HE SIGNED FOR A CATEGORY 5 OR CATEGORY 3 STORM NECESSARILY, THE SYSTEM ITSELF, BUT IF WE LOOK AT THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE COMPLETED THAT WENT THROUGH THE TWO STORMS IN 12 DAYS, THOSE SYSTEMS PERFORM VERY WELL. ALL OF THE NEW PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE. SO WE KNOW THIS WORKS. AND SOUTH -- SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, FOR EXAMPLE. THE PROPERTIES ALONG THE RIVER WERE IMPACTED, BUT THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE NOT ON THE RIVER, PART OF THAT SYSTEM DID VERY WELL. SO, AGAIN -- YOU KNOW -- THERE IS NO -- THERE IS NO DIRECT ANSWER TO WHAT STORM CONDITION UNTIL WE REALLY START DESIGN AND WHAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH. THE BOX IS DESIGNED FOR 100-YEAR CONDITION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I APPRECIATE YOU AND STAFF AND BEING VERY RECEPTIVE AND ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS OFFLINE AS WELL. NOT AT IN MEETING BUT BACKGROUND INFORMATION. I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. YOUR MICROPHONE. >>BILL CARLSON: I ALWAYS HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU, I THINK. AND YOU ALWAYS COME TO THE MEETINGS. AND NEIGHBORS SAY WE NEED TO TRUST ENGINEERS. HE WORKED WITH A LOT OF ENGINEERS AND I BELIEVE THEY HAVE AN IMPORTANT ROLE TO PLAY; HOWEVER, THIS -- NOT YOU, BUT THIS ADMINISTRATION IS PUSHING THIS PROJECT, ALSO IS THE ADMINISTRATION TO PUSHED TOILET TO TAP AND WHOLE OTHER PROJECTS THAT THE COMMUNITY DIDN'T WANT AND FURTHER ANALYSIS -- WHAT I FIND IT DOING -- ECONOMIC AND ENGINEERING ANALYSIS AND FINANCIAL ANALYSIS THAT EVERYTHING IS BIASED BY THE MODEL YOU PUT INTO IT. ANYWAY, I WANTED TO ASK YOU, THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU HAVE HERE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT, I NEVER SEEN THIS DOCUMENT BEFORE. HAVE YOU -- IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IS ON THE WEBSITE OF THE -- >>VIK BHIDE: IT IS. SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF. WE HAVE DOCUMENTATION, TIMELINE. >>BILL CARLSON: BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE SHAKING THEIR HEADS. I LOOKED AT ALL THE DOCUMENTS ON THE WEB SITE SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT ME LIKE THAT. THIS IS A VERY DIFFICULT THING BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY THE ADMINISTRATION HAS STIRRED UP TROUBLE IN THIS LIKE THEY HAVE MANY OTHER PROJECTS IN THE CITY AND MAINLY TO TAKE AWAY BLAME AGAINST THEM FOR NOT PUSHING THIS FORWARD. WHEN WAS THIS CITY COUNCIL FIRST BRIEFED ON THIS PROJECT? >>VIK BHIDE: THIS WAS IN YOUR QUARTERLY REPORT JUNE 2022. AND THERE WAS SEVERAL BRIEFINGS. >>BILL CARLSON: A VERY BRIEF WAY. NOT NOT A LONG PRESENTATION. >>VIK BHIDE: WE DO THE GRADE A COMPUTATIONS. >>BILL CARLSON: I SAT DOWN YOU WITH AND SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS ON OCTOBER 17. WASN'T THAT THE FIRST TIME I WAS FULLY BRIEFED AND ANSWERED QUESTIONS? >>VIK BHIDE: ACTUALLY SO -- WE HAD ONE ON ONE COUNCIL BRIEFS. >>BILL CARLSON: YOU AND I HAD A PHONE CALL. >>VIK BHIDE: TEAMS BRIEFING YOU WITH ON JULY 17. >>BILL CARLSON: THE POINT IS THIS IS CIRCULATED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT I HAVE BEEN SITTING ON THIS PROJECT FOR FIVE TO TEN YEARS. IS THAT ACCURATE BASED ON THE DATES? >>VIK BHIDE: YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ON COUNCIL THAT LONG. >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL BEFORE, BUT THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN SITTING ON THIS PROJECT AT THE MOST -- YOU COULD SAY 2022. BUT THAT BASS APPROVED AT THAT TIME. THE FIRST TIME I SAT DOWN AND HAD A FULL BRIEFING WHICH I INVITED MR. ADAMS TO AT HIS REQUEST AND I INVITED THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS TOO WAS ON OCTOBER 17. AND AFTER THAT, IT WAS -- WHEN DO YOU THINK WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT THIS CITY COUNCIL COULD HAVE APPROVED THIS PROJECT. IF EVERYTHING HA GONE THROUGH, WHEN WAS THE FIRST TIME THIS CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE APPROVED THIS PROJECT? VICK THAT THE DESIGN TASK. >>BILL CARLSON: DID WE TO SOMETHING TO STOP YOU -- COULD YOU HAVE PUT THIS IN FRONT OF US JANUARY AND FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR. BECAUSE I WASN'T BRIEFED UNTIL OCTOBER CORRECT? >>VIK BHIDE: THE DESIGN BUILD CONTRACTOR WAS SELECTED LAST SEPTEMBER. AND COUNCIL WAS BRIEFED -- >>BILL CARLSON: SORRY TO SPEED UP THE TIME. WHEN IS THE FIRST TIME THAT WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO APPROVE IT. ANY TIME BETWEEN DECEMBER AND THIS COMING NOVEMBER THAT WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO IMPROVE IT? >>VIK BHIDE: THE IT HE SIGN TASK IS THE FIRST APPROVAL. >>BILL CARLSON: THE ALLEGATION THAT I DID SOMETHING TO SLOW THIS DOWN ISN'T TRUE EITHER, CORRECT. AND THEN HOW LONG -- HOW LONG -- IF -- ONCE WE APPROVE IT. IF WE APPROVE IF IN MOMENT FROM BEGINNING TO END, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO FINISH THIS PROJECT. >>VIK BHIDE: WE ANTICIPATE FOUR YEARS. IT COULD BE SOONER. >>BILL CARLSON: WHEN WILL IT START AND WHAT YEAR WILL IT BE COMPLETED. >>VIK BHIDE: IT WILL START IMMEDIATELY, THE DESIGN TASK UPON APPROVAL. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TOO GET YOU A GMP AND CONSTRUCTION WHICH IS YOUR LOGICAL NEXT STEP EARLY WORKS WITHIN TITHE TEN MONTHS AND MAJOR CONSTRUCTION WILL BEGIN AFTER THAT. >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT DATE WILL IT BE DONE, WHAT YEAR? >>VIK BHIDE: WE STARTED THIS NOVEMBER, WE WILL BE DONE NOVEMBER OF '29 -- -- '28. >>BILL CARLSON: '28 OR '29 DEPENDING ON DIFFERENT THINGS. NEIGHBORHOODS ARE CONCERNED OF PROBLEMS NOW AND THE NEXT STORM. WE ALSO ARE CONCERNED -- I WANT TO SAY THAT FOR THE RECORD. SOME PEOPLE HAVE ALLEGED THAT I AM NOT INTERESTED IN SOLVE CAN THE PROBLEM. I ABSOLUTELY AM. BUT WE DEAL WITH A CITY ADMINISTRATION THAT WE DON'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH. >>VIK BHIDE: MAY I SHARE A PERSPECTIVE ON THAT. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I SAY THE ISSUE IS IT IS GOING TO TAKE UNTIL 2029. CAN YOU TELL ME WHEN -- WHEN THE WHERE THE CONSTRUCTION WILL BEGIN? WHERE IS THE POINT AT THE BEGINNING OF IT? >>VIK BHIDE: I WILL ADDRESS THAT AND THE POINT I WANT TO MAKE. >>BILL CARLSON: I AM ASKING QUESTIONS. >>VIK BHIDE: AND ANSWERING YOUR PREVIOUS QUESTION AS WELL BECAUSE IT IS RELEVANT. START DOWNSTREAM. >>BILL CARLSON: STARTING AT BAYSHORE. >>VIK BHIDE: BAYSHORE AND WE WORK UP. THE BENEFITS OF THE PROJECT EVEN THOUGH THE WHOLE PROJECT WILL TAKE FOUR YEARS, THE MINUTE WE START WORKING TO EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD IT CONNECTS TO STARTS BENEFITING. >>BILL CARLSON: YOU ARE CONNECTING AT BAYSHORE. THE ENDS IN TWO YEARS, TWO OR THREE YEARS. IF A BIG STORM COMES, THE NEIGHBORHOOD GETS FLOODED. >>BILL CARLSON: THE CONCERN WE HAVE IS WHAT WILL WE DO IN THE NEXT TWO OR THREE YEARS. A LONG-TERM AND SHORT-TERM SITUATION THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS. EVEN IF WE APPROVE THIS A BUNCH OF NEIGHBORS COMING IN SAYING OUR HOUSES ARE FLOODED AND OUR LEAVES ARE DESTROYED. WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO HELP THAT AND A SITUATION FACING. TO THIS DAY, HAS THE CITY PRESENTED ANY SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS THAT WILL PREVENT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD FROM GETTING FLOODED BEFORE THE END OF 2028? >> IF YOU LOOK AT MY MEMO, THERE ARE NO SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS. THERE IS -- THIS SOLUTION -- >>BILL CARLSON: THE CITY HAS NO PLAN -- JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE CITY HAS NO PLAN -- THERE IS NO PROPOSAL BEFORE CITY COUNCIL TO PRESENT FLOODING IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS EVEN IF WE APPROVED THIS. THEIR HOUSESARE GOING TO GET FLOODEDED. AND THE CITY HAS -- HAS NO PLAN -- >>BILL CARLSON: THAT IS NOT ACCURATE -- >>VIK BHIDE: THAT IS NOT ACCURATE. THAT IS THE PART I WANTED TO CLARIFY, COUNCILMAN. AS WE CONTINUE CONSTRUCTION FROM BAYSHORE WORKING OUR WAY UPWARDS, EVERY SINGLE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IT HITS STARTS BENEFITING. IF THEY ARE BENEFITING, THAT MEANS PARKLAND ULTIMATELY BENEFITS AS WELL AND PALMA CEIA PINES BECAUSE THAT WATER DRAIN AS LITTLE BETTER. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I ASK YOU A QUICK OVERLAY -- THE MAP ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE WEB SITE -- I JUST WANT -- THIS IS THE MAP THAT IS THE FIRST COMMUNICATION THAT EVERYBODY HAS THAT LOOKS AT IN SITE. CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE PALMA CEIA PINES IS ON THIS? >>VIK BHIDE: NORTH ON SWANN. >>BILL CARLSON: WHERE IT ON THE MAP. >>VIK BHIDE: NORTH ON SWANN. >>BILL CARLSON: OFF OF THE PICTURE. MOST IS OFF THE PICTURE, ISN'T IT? >>VIK BHIDE: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: REASONABLY, IS IT NOT TRUE AND UNTIL NOW IN PRIMARY COMMUNICATION, NOBODY MENTIONED PALMA CEIA PINES UNTIL THE LAST FEW DAYS SINCE THIS STORM. WHERE ARE THE PIPES THAT GO UP TO PALMA CEIA. >> AUDUBON, EXISTING PIPES. >>BILL CARLSON: NEW PIPES. YOUR DEPARTMENT TOLD PALMA CEIA PINES THIS WILL SOLVES THEIR PROBLEM. >>VIK BHIDE: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: AND -- BUT I WANT TO KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHERE WHERE ARE THE PIPES THAT GO IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. >>VIK BHIDE: THEY COME FROM AUDUBON TO THE AMI POND INTO PARKLAND HE IS SKATES. AGAIN A FUNCTION OF DESIGN. THIS PROJECT -- THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOODING RELIEF PROJECT IS FOR THE WATER SHED. THIS IS -- THIS IS BASED -- >>BILL CARLSON: I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, BUT THE REALITY -- THE REALITY IS THAT PALMA CEIA PINES GOT FLOODED AND FOR THE FIRST TIME YOU ARE PROMOTING AND TELLING EVERYBODY THAT PALMA CEIA PINES WILL BE PROTECTED AND APPEARS FROM EVERY INDICATION THAT IT IS NOT. AND PROVIDE -- VICK SDRIKZ CAN I ASK WHAT INDICATION. >>BILL CARLSON: WOULD BE ON THE MAP VICK VICK THIS IS BASED ON THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING STUDY AND SHOWS PALMA CEIA PINES IN THE WATER SHED. THIS PROJECT IMPACTS THE WATER SHED. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I GIVE YOU ANOTHER MAP? THANK YOU. SORRY TO MAKE YOU HAND OUT THESE FLY FLYERS. WE HAVE ISSUES GOING IN TEN DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS IN SOUTH COMPANY AND I AM MEETING WITH THEM SEPARATELY AND WE ARE GETTING SLANDEROUS E-MAILS AND I WANT TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT. IF SOMEBODY PRESENTS EVIDENCE THAT SOMETHING I HAVE SAID OR BELIEVED IS WRONG, I WILL CHANGE MY MIND. BUT I DON'T LIKE BEING CALLED A LIAR AND I DON'T LIKE BEING ACCUSED OF APPROVING SOMETHING TEN YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS NOT ON COUNCIL. CAN YOU SHOW US WHAT THIS MAP SHOW AS SOON AS. >>VIK BHIDE: I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS MAP SHOWS AND I DON'T KNOW I THIS IS IN THE FINAL REPORT OR NOT. >>BILL CARLSON: THIS COMES FROM PUBLIC RECORDS THAT WEREN'T MADE PUBLIC BUT THE LIGHT BLUE SHOW THE 100-YEAR 24-HOUR 5.5-INCH FLOODING. WE HIT MORE THAN 100 YEAR FLOODING. AND AFTER THIS IS COMPLETED LIGHT BLUE IS FLOODED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. AND A REPORT THAT GOES WITH THIS. >> MAY I CLARIFY. >> WHAT IT SHOWS, AFTER ALL THIS IS SPENT. BETWEEN NOW AND FOUR YEARS, IT IS ALSO GOING TO FLOOD. >> IF THIS MAP IS IN THE FINAL GMT REPORT AND PART OF THAT TOCK ULTIMATE IN THE STUDY DONE AS PART -- >>BILL CARLSON: YOU SEE THE CONCERN. >>VIK BHIDE: THAT IS THE DOCUMENT THAT GUIDES OUR DECISIONS GOING FORWARD. >>BILL CARLSON: HAVE WE HAD ANY 100-YEAR STORMS LATELY? >>VIK BHIDE: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT WAS THE MOST WE HAD IN A 24-HOUR PERIOD IN THE LAST YEAR. >>VIK BHIDE: 300-YEAR STORM WITH HURRICANE MILTON. >>BILL CARLSON: HOW MANY INCHES. >>VIK BHIDE: 11 AND A HALF TO 15. >>BILL CARLSON: PARKLAND ESTATES. IS THIS SHOWS 5.5 INCHES AND YOU SAID 11.5? >>VIK BHIDE: I CAN'T ATTEST TO THIS MAP. >>BILL CARLSON: YOU SEE THE CONCERN OF THE COMMUNITY THAT WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND MONEY ON SOMETHING THAT ISN'T GOING TO WORK. THIS IS ENGINEERING DOCUMENTS INTERNALLY. >>VIK BHIDE: LET ME CLARIFYING. NO DESIGN FOR HURRICANES. BUT YOU CAN DESIGN THE BEST POSSIBLE SYSTEM WITHIN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND AVAILABLE RESOURCES THAT YOU CAN. THAT IS OUR EFFORT. IF WE DESIGN FOR HURRICANE KANSAS CITYWIDE, I DON'T ANY WE WILL EVER BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH THE RESOURCES. NOT A GOOD REASON NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WELL THOUGHT OF AND WELL ENGINEERED PROBLEMS IF THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE ASKING. >> ALL I HAVE BEEN ASKING AND ALL THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR SEPARATE DESIGN AND BUILD AND I WILL GET TO THAT IN A SECOND. >>VIK BHIDE: NOT TO SEPARATE DESIGN AND BUILD. >>BILL CARLSON: ONE OF THE OTHER ALLEGATIONS WE HAD IS THAT THERE HAS BEEN LOTS OF PUBLIC INPUT ON THIS. THIS IS A PRINTOUT OF THE WEBSITE. STAND HAS BEEN POINTED OUT TO ME THAT, LOOK, ON THE WEB SITE SHOWS PUBLIC MEETINGS. YES, PUBLIC MEETINGS AND NOTICE OF THE PUBLIC MEETINGS. BUT WHY IS IT ON OCTOBER 17, 2023, WHEN I HAD A MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEADERS FROM FIVE NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT NOBODY EXCEPT FOR MR. ADAMS KNEW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS PROJECT, IF PUBLIC MEET HGS HAPPENED. WHAT PUBLIC MEETINGS HAPPENED BEFORE THE ROUTE WAS CHOSEN AND WHO WAS INCLUDED IN THE PUBLIC MEETING? >>VIK BHIDE: THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE I HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT TALKS OF ALL OF THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. IF YOU GIVE ME ABOUT FIVE MINUTES -- >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T NEED FIVE MINUTES. SOMEBODY ELSE CAN ASK THAT QUESTION. CAN YOU TELL ME WERE THERE PUBLIC MEETINGS BEFORE THE ROUTE WAS CHOSEN? >>VIK BHIDE: THE ROUTE IS STILL NOT CHOSEN. >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE TWO DOCUMENTS -- >>VIK BHIDE: A FUNCTION OF DESIGN. AND DESIGN HAVEN'T HAPPENED YET. COUNCIL APPROVES DESIGN. >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE A DOCUMENT HERE FROM THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PERSON. A NOTE TO YOU AND AN E-MAIL THAT SAYS WE NEED TO BE SURE AT THE PUBLIC MEETING TONIGHT TO TELL PEOPLE THAT BRISTOL HAS ALREADY BEEN CHOSEN AND THE ROUTE IS SET. I HAVE ALSO GOT ANOTHER DOCUMENT THAT -- THAT IS FROM SOMEONE ATKINS REALIS AND SAYS CITY ANTICIPATES THAT NO FURTHER ROUTE ANALYSIS WILL BE REQUIRED. AND I -- I AM TOLD THERE ARE OTHER DOCUMENTS AS WELL. WHY IS IT THAT SUDDENLY WE ARE SAYING THAT THE ROUTE IS NOT SET WHEN THERE ARE LOTS OF DOCUMENTS THAT SAY THE ROUTE HAS BEEN SET. >>VIK BHIDE: WE HAVE NEVER SAID OTHERWISE. COMMUNICATIONS INTERNALLY ARE ONE THING. WHAT WE SHARE PUBLICLY AND WITH THE PUBLIC AT THESE FORUMS AND AT PUBLIC MEETINGS IS WHAT COUNTS. I'M HERE TELLING YOU WE HAVEN'T SELECTED A ROUTE. WE HAVE GOING TO BRING YOU A DESIGN TASK THAT SELECTS THE ROUTE. >>BILL CARLSON: YOU SEE THE CONCERN -- >>VIK BHIDE: THERE IS NO DESIGN YET. >>BILL CARLSON: SOMEHOW THE CITY BELIEVES THAT PUBLIC INPUT IS TELLING PEOPLE ABOUT THE ROUTE ALREADY SELECTED. UNTIL TODAY, NO OTHER DISCUSSION OF OTHER ROUTES. THIS ROUTE EVERYBODY SAYING WHY IS THE ROUTE ON HOWARD MAD. >>VIK BHIDE: A DISCUSSION OF OVER 19 ROUTES. WHAT I AM TELLING YOU TODAY IS THAT THE ROUTE SELECTION IS PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS. IT BEGINS WITH THE DESIGN. THE PLANNING STAGE WAS THE PLANNING STAGE. >>BILL CARLSON: WHY CAN'T WE NOT -- THE PROBLEM WITH DESIGN-BUILD, THESE PROJECTS GO MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OVER BUDGET. >>VIK BHIDE: THAT IS NOT TRUE. NOT TRUE. >>BILL CARLSON: YOU DON'T THINK HANNA AVENUE -- >>VIK BHIDE: I WILL OFFER YOU THIS. EVERY MAYOR PROJECT, BE IT THEA, BE IT F DOT, THE COUNTY, THE CITY PREFERS PROGRESSIVE DESIGN BUILDS FOR REASONS I STATED. >>BILL CARLSON: THE ONLY THING I AM ASKING FOR IS I AM NOT DISPUTING THAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING. I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING BEFORE FOUR YEARS BECAUSE THE NEIGHBORS HERE NEED SOME KIND OF RELIEF BEFORE FOUR YE YEARS. >> I WISH THERE WAS A SHORT-TERM SOLUTION POSSIBLE. >> IN PALMA CEIA PINES UNDERNEATH THIS DOCTOR'S OFFICE, SOMEBODY DOESN'T NEED TO DREDGE THAT RETENTION POND THERE. WHAT THE CANALS IN PALMA CEIA PINES IT LOOKS LIKE THESE -- >>VIK BHIDE: I ALSO HEARD EARLIER THAT THE REPORT SPOKE OF PROFILING ROADWAYS. RIGHT BEFORE THIS STORM, WE HAD NOTICED ALL OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS NORTH OF SWANN THAT WERE GOING TO DO RESURFACING. WE ARE GOING TO DO RESURFACING THERE. AND WE HAD THE STORMS. PART OF THE RESURFACING WILL BE REPROFILING THE ROADS AND ADDRESSING THE ISSUES THAT WERE DECIDED IN THE JMT REPORT. PART OF OUR EARLY WORKS IS THE OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE A WHOLE EARLY WORKS PHASE THAT INCLUDES MOVING UTILITIES. REPAVING ROADWAYS THAT WILL BE M.O.T. ROUTES AS THAT PROJECT MOVES FORWARD. >>. >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT -- WHY CAN'T WE SEPARATE DESIGN AND PUBLIC INPUT FROM BUILD? >>VIK BHIDE: IT WILL DELAY THE PROJECT BY 24 MONTHS. POTENTIALLY COST MORE -- >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST DON'T BELIEVE THAT. >>VIK BHIDE: I SHARED THE REASON WHY SINCE YOU ASKED ME. FIRST, IT TAKES SIX MONTHS TO HIRE A CONSULTANT. >>BILL CARLSON: I AM NOT TALKING OF HIRING A DIFFERENT CONSULTANT. I AM TALKING ABOUT HOLDING A FINAL POINT WHERE YOU SAY TO CONTINUE THE EXISTING PROJECT. CALL IT DESIGN-BUILD IF YOU WANT, BUT TO CONTINUE THE VICK VICTIM LET'S CALL THIS DESIGN-BUILD. >>BILL CARLSON: I WILL MAKE A MOTION IN THE NEXT -- I WILL MAKE A MOTION -- TO GET RID OF ALL DESIGN-BUILD BECAUSE THEY WASTE MONEY -- >>VIK BHIDE: A PRESCRIPTIVE SOLUTION THAT WE DON'T HAVE EVIDENCE -- >>BILL CARLSON: LET ME ASK YOU ONE MORE QUESTION BEFORE THEY CUT ME OFF. AND WE HAVE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THIS MORNING THAT MENTIONED THAT -- TO ME IN AN MEAL THAT HE HAD WASTEWATER IN HIS HOUSE. AND I SENT HIM AN E-MAIL BACK AND SAID THE WASTEWATER PEOPLE TELL ME THAT THERE WAS NOT A WASTEWATER LEAK. IF YOU HAVE EVIDENCE OF IT, LET ME KNOW. HE TOOK OFFENSE TO THAT. I APOLOGIZED TO HIM IN THE HALLWAY. I SAID IF YOU HAVE EVIDENCE, LET US KNOW. HE SAID EVERYTHING THAT HAD WASTEWATER IS GONE GONE. I DON'T HAVE PROOF OF IT. I KNOW WASTEWATER IS NOT YOUR DEPARTMENT, BUT DO YOU HAVE EVIDENCE THAT WASTEWATER LEAKED INTO THAT AREA. >>VIK BHIDE: AFTER STORMS, WE HAVE STORMWATER AND WASTEWATER LEAKS, ESPECIALLY IF THERE ARE POWER OUTAGES. HE CAN'T GO INTO SPECIFICS BEYOND THAT, BECAUSE IT IS NOT MY DEPARTMENT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, MIRANDA AND VIERA. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU SO MUCH. THIS IS MY MOTION AND I WANTED TO GET AN UPDATE OF HOW FAR THINGS ARE GOING. I'M COMING AT IT FROM A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. I WAS ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD OF OLD SEMINOLE HEIGHTS AND SORRY, NOBODY ELSE HAD A TIMER AND I DON'T THINK IT IS FAIR. I WAS ON THE BOARD OF OLD SEMINOLE HEIGHTS BEFORE I JOINED COUNCIL AND HAD THE SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT START. I WILL APOLOGIZE RIGHT NOW IT WAS A SHIT SHOW. EXCUSE MY LANGUAGE, BUT THAT'S IT WHAT IT WAS. IT WAS FROM THE BEGINNING, AND -- ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS THE WORST PART OF IT WAS WE WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THE DESIGN. AND MISS SHARFE. I WILL ASK YOU TO SHOW THAT MAP. SO THE DESIGN THAT WAS CHOSEN WITHOUT ANY COMMUNITY INPUT -- AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE WHERE THE LITTLE GREEN THINGS S SAYS IGNACIO. THAT IS CREST AVENUE. THAT IS JUST A STREET OF HOMES. JUST IT. NOTHING -- NOTHING PARTICULARLY DIFFERENT FROM IT FROM THE STREET ABOVE IT OR THE STREET BELOW IT. WHY WAS IT CHOSEN? HONESTLY, IT -- IT COULD HAVE BEEN OTHER AREAS. IT COULD HAVE BEEN OTHER STREETS. AND WE AS A COMMUNITY WERE NOT INCLUDED IN THAT PROCESS. THE CITY HAS LEARNED FROM THAT BUT I WANT TO TELL YOU YOU THIS STREET, THIS LOVELY LITTLE STREET, A YEAR ONE FULL YEAR THAT PEOPLE COULD NOT ACCESS THEIR HOMES WITH A CAR. DIRT STREETS. DIRT EVERYWHERE. PEOPLE HAD TO PARK ON THE RIVER AND WALK IN THE HOME. PARK ON NEIGHBORS' YARDS. THE ENTIRE STREET WAS CLOSED. TO GIVE YOU A PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT WAS PUT IN THERE, H HIS SSHARFE IS ABOUT -- I AM FIVE FOOT. >> I'M TALLER THAN THAT, BY THE WAY. >>LYNN HURTAK: SHE IS TALLER THAN ME. BUT IF YOU PUT ANOTHER OF HER ON TOP AND IF BUT PUT HER SIDE TO SIDE, TEN FOOT BY TEN FOOT CULVERTS ARE WHAT WENT ON THAT STREET. WHAT WENT ON CREST AVENUE. I MEAN, WE ARE TALKING HUGE -- HUGE THINGS. A LOT OF TRAUMA. WE HAD WATER -- WE HAD ALSO INCLUDING THE STORMWATER VAULTS. WATER OFTEN BOTH SIDE AND WASTEWATER ON BOTH SIDES BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T CONNECT BECAUSE OF THE GIANTNESS OF THESE CULVERTS. THE INSULT TO INJURY ON PEOPLE ON CREST BECAUSE -- BECAUSE THERE WASN'T THE INFORMATION SHARED AHEAD OF TIME. CREST NEVER FLOODS. A STREET THAT AUTOMATICALLY ANGLES TO THE RIVER AND DOUBLY ANGRY BECAUSE THEIR STREET NEVERED INTOED AND NEVER TOLD OF IT. IT WAS A LOT OF DRAMA. BUT I WILL TELL YOU IN THIS STORM, IN MILTON, SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS. THIS IS THE RIVER. SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE INTERSTATE CONSIDERABLY. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF NEBRASKA. THAT WAS THE ACTUAL TARGET OF THE FLOODING. AND FROM THE BEGINNING -- NOWHERE IN THAT AREA FLOODED THE WAY THAT IT HAD BEFORE INCREMENTALLY IT GETS BETTER. SOMEONE BROUGHT UP THE SECOND DEGREE. IDEA AND CAN'T WORK AND HERE IS WHY. SAY THE -- WE DIVIDED INTO PARKLAND ESTATE ELECTION GETS FIRST. WHAT HAPPENS TO ALL THAT WATER? SO WE HAVE TO GO BACKWARDS. BUT YOU HAVE OPTIONS. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD CAN TALK ABOUT. SOMEBODY BROUGHT UP BEING DONE IN 100 DAYS, THAT IS BECAUSE 24-7. IT WAS PLANNED OUT 247. FOLKS WORKING EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY. COULD WE DO THAT? YEAH, WE COULD WE COULD. BUT THAT MEANS THAT MEANS THE NEIGHBORS NOT SLEEPING. I MEAN THERE ARE OPTIONS, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, IT IS POSSIBLE. SO THE WORLD IT YOUR OYSTER. Y'ALL CAN DECIDE THAT. THAT IS NOT OUR DECISION. THAT WILL BE THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE DESIGN AND THE CONTRACTORS, THAT IS NOT OUR DECI DECISION. SADLY SEMINOLE HEIGHTS STORMWATER CLOSED FOUR LANES OF FLORIDA AVENUE FOR OVER THREE WEEKS. FOUR LANES. I WILL TELL YOU THIS RIGHT NOW. THAT WAS A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, WE STILL DON'T HAVE PAVEMENT ON THAT BECAUSE WE ARE STILL FIGHTING WITH FDOT HOW THE INLETS ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK. STILL FIGHTING. BUT -- AND IT WAS -- IT WAS AN ABSOLUTE -- IT WAS AWFUL. ABSOLUTELY AWFUL. WE DID WHAT WE COULD TO MANAGE TRAFFIC AROUND IT AND ALL WE COULD DO. YOU AS NEIGHBORS, THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE IMPACT READY GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE THAT ZENNESS OF -- THIS IS AWFUL BUT IT IS GOING TO PASS. IN THIS IS A AWFUL AND IT IS GOING TO PASS. I AM HAPPY TO TALK TO THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD OFFLINE ABOUT THAT. BUT WE LEARNED -- THE PROJECT GOT SO BAD THAT WE HAD TO HAVE THE CONTRACTOR COME EVERY TWO WEEKS TO COUNCIL -- EVERY TWO WEEKS AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE DOING. IT GOT THAT BAD. WE -- I DID -- COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND I DID BOTH DID TOURS EVERY OTHER MONTH. WE WENT OUT AND GOT A FULL TOUR FROM X TO Z. I MEAN EVERYTHING. SO DEFINITE WAYS THAT COUNCIL AND THE PEOPLE WHO REPRESENT YOU CAN MONITOR AND ASSIST. BUT WE HAVE LEARNED A LOT FROM THIS PROJECT. I AM -- THE ONLY THING -- THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO ADD IS WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT -- AND I DON'T DISAGREE. I THINK WE -- WHEN EVERYBODY LOOKS AND SEES WHAT THE BEST ROUTE IS, I HATE TO SAY THAT THINGS UNDER GROUND MATTER, BUT WE OPENED A SMALL SECTION OF CENTRAL AVENUE AND HANNA WHICH IS A BIG INTERSECTION IN SEMINOLE HEIGHTS BECAUSE HANNA IS THE ONLY STREET THAT GOES UNDER THE INTERSTATE. HOW PEOPLE GOES TO PUBLIC LICKS. NO GROCERY STORE ON THE CEASE SIDE OF THE INTERSTATE -- ON THE WEST SIDE, PARDON. WHEN THAT WAS CLOSED, IT WAS CLOSED FOR ALMOST TWO MONTHS BECAUSE ONCE THEY OPENED IT, AND THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL THERE. THEY HAD TO TIME IT IN THE SUMMER. IT HAD TO BE DONE BEFORE SCHOOL STARTED. WHEN WE OPENED IT, THEY FOUND SO MUCH. THEY WEREN'T PLANNING ON FINDING. IN TERMS OF ADDITION TO UTILITIES THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE'S POWER WENT OUT. NOT POWER, BUT PEOPLE LOST THEIR INTERNET MULTIPLE TEAMS. THERE WAS A LOT THAT WE WERE GOING THROUGH THERE. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WE HAVE DONE THIS. WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS. IT IS POSSIBLE TO DO. AND I -- I BELIEVE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOODS, THE BUSINESSES, AND THE CONTRACTORS CAN ALL FIND A WAY TO COME TOGETHER AND MAKE IT WORK, BUT THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO INCLUDE US. I WILL ALSO SAY THAT ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THE CITY LEARNED BEST WAS HOW TO SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESS. TOURING THE CLOSURE ON FLORIDA AVENUE, THAT WAS -- THAT WAS IN FRONT OF THE INDEPENDENT. THAT WAS IN FRONT OF THE -- MAJOR -- MAJOR RESTAURANTS. YOU KNOW WHAT WE DID, WE DID A CAMPAIGN OF THE CITY. THE MAYOR CAME OUT. I CAME OUT. WE WERE DOING PHOTOS OF US EATING AND VISITING THE ESTABLISHMENTS. ENCOURAGING THE NEIGHBORS. BECAUSE OUR NEIGHBORS LOVED THE NEIGHBORHOOD ESTABLISHMENTS WE ALL MET. >>VIK BHIDE: WE HAD TWO MEETINGS THERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: IT IS NOT GOING TO BE AWESOME. NOT GOING TO BE GREAT. PARTS THAT ARE AWFUL AND KNOW THAT. KNOW THAT IT IS GOING TO BE BAD. IT IS GOING TO BE BAD. AND THEN BE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED WHEN IT IS NOT AS BAD AS YOU TINK IT IS. AND THAT IS REALLY -- THAT IS WHAT I THINK THE SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS STORMWATER WAS A VERY GOOD LESSON FOR HOW WE GO FORWARD. AND BECAUSE OF ALL THE INTERACTION THAT COUNCIL HAD TO HAVE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS HAD TO HAVE, THAT -- THAT -- THAT PROJECTS GOING FORWARD CAN AND WILL BE BETTER BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GOING TO DEMAND ANYTHING LESS. I AM SORRY, WE ARE NOT GOING TO ACCEPT ANYTHING LESS. THANK YOU. >>VIK BHIDE: THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT COUNCILWOMAN, BECAUSE WE HAVE LEARNED FROM SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS SPECIFICALLY. AND THE PHASING PLAN WE INITIALLY PROPOSED AND IS STILL AVAILABLE, LIKE YOU SAID, THAT IS A COMMUNITY PRIORITIES CONVERSATION IS TO MITIGATE THESE LONG RUNS OF CLOSURE AT ANY GIVEN TIME. AND THE TO KIND OF SPREAD IT OVER TIME AND ALLOW THE CONTRACTOR TO EXERCISE INNOVATIVE MEANS AND METHODS. FOR THAT, KIMMONS -- THEY HAVE DONE GREAT WORK URBAN ENVIRONMENTS IN TAMPA. >>LYNN HURTAK: I DIDN'T MENTION THE CONTRACTOR BUT I WILL SAY IT WASN'T KIMMONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BEFORE I GO TO COUNCILMAN MIRANDA REAL QUICK REGARDING SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS. I THINK COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND I GOT THE BULK OF ENDLESS COMPLAINTS. WE DID THE TOURS. PERSON WHO TOOK ME ON THE TOUR ENDED UP GOING SOMEWHERE ELSE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STORY WAS. BUT IT WAS MISERABLE. CREST WAS MISERABLE. FLORIDA WAS IN MISERABLE. SOME BUSINESSES WENT OUT OF BUSINESS. NOT EVERYBODY SUR INVOLVES IT. LATER WHEN IT IS MY TURN TO TALK, I HAVE PHOTOS THAT I TOOK BACK IN 019 THE ESTRELLA, WESTSHORE, HENDERSON DALE MABRY PROJECT AND PEOPLE CAN SEE THE MAGNITUDE OF IT. ONE THING OF SEEING A SKETCH ON ROAD CLOSURES BUT I WILL SHOW YOU EXTRA LOOBT HE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND VIERA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM FROST ALL THE CONVERSATION. I HAVE GROWN TOILET TO TAP, HURRICANES, TWO AND A HALF DEGREES WARMER IN THE GULF WHICH IS TRUE AND TOILET TO TAP THAT I KNOW OF NEVER KILLED ANYONE. IF YOU WANT TO CHALLENGE FROM LAKE LANIER, TO SACRAMENTO, THEY ALL USE TOILET TO TAP. ENVIRONMENTALESTS WANT IT THERE. ENVIRONMENTALISTS HERE DO NOT WANT. SO BE IT. NOT ONE LIVING MICROBE AS MUCH IN TOILET TO TAP AND IS CLEANED UP. HOWEVER, WE ARE TALKING OF THE DEVASTATION OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. DEVASTATION OF HALF OF THIS CITY. WASN'T JUST YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AROUND YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU GO TO DAVIS ISLAND. YOU GO TO PALMETTO BEACH. YOU GO TO LIVERSIDE EAST -- WEST OF THE RIVER AND WEST TAMPA, ALL THOSE HOUSES, EVERY ONE OF THEM IS FLOODED. HALF A BLOCK IN. NOT ONE FLOODED. SO WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IS SOMETHING THAT WORKS SOMEWHERE BETTER THAN OTHERS. I THINK YOU ARE -- I THINK YOUR PRESENTATION HITS IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD. AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THIS BECAUSE THERE IS NO EXPERT FROM THIS COUNCIL. NONE OF US HAVE EXPERIENCED THIS. SO WHAT I AM SAYING IT, CLEVELAND AVENUE, WHEN YOU TALK OF GRADING. YOU AND I WENT TO SEE SOMETHING A YEAR OR TWO AGO. AND WE STOPPED AND LOOKED AT IT. AND THE ROAD IS ABOUT FOUR INCHES HIGHER THAN THE SIDEWALK. SO WHAT DO YOU THINK FLOODS? THE HOUSES DON'T FLOOD, BUT THE GARAGES FLOOD. IN NORMAL RAIN STORMS. BUT WE -- THAT IS SO SMALL WE DON'T LOOK AT THAT. WE ARE LOOKING AT FIXING THE PROBLEM WE HAVE NOW IN THE CITY PERIOD. I DON'T WANT TO TALK OF POLITICS AND THE FREEMAN ADMINISTRATION AND THE BUCKHORN ADMINISTRATION. I DON'T WANT TO TALK OF ANY ADMINISTRATION, THE IORIO ADMINISTRATION. BILL POE'S ADMINISTRATION. I WORKED WITH FIVE MAYORS ALL DIFFERENT AND ALL THE SAME. THEY WANTED TO MAKE THE CITIES BETTER THAN THEY FOUND IT. PERMITS WERE DIFFERENT. THE WAY THEY COMMUNICATED WAS DIFFERENT. NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT. OTHER THAN THAT, YOU ARE IN CHARGE OF THE SYSTEM THAT YOU ARE FOR. AND YOU ARE DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB MAKING THE PRESENTATION. WHEN YOU LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING ON, THE CITY OF TAMPA, GUESS WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF THAT STORM WOULD HAVE STAYED A LITTLE NORTH LIKE 15 -- WE WOULDN'T BE TALKING HERE TODAY. NONE OF US WILL BE HERE TODAY, BECAUSE THE WHOLE CITY WOULD HAVE BEEN FLOOD IF I SAW WHAT HAPPENED. AND HAPPENED IN THE WHOLE CITY. NO MATTER WHAT SYSTEM YOU HAVE AT ONE TIME. THIS IS AN ANOMALY. SIX OR SEVEN STORMS HAVE FORMED IN THE GULF OF MEXICO IN MY LIFETIME. I ONLY SEEN TWO OR THREE HE YEAR, NOT SIX OR SEVEN. AND IT IS NOW TWO AND A HALF DEGREES WARMER THEN IT WAS LAST YEAR AND NOT GOING TO GET ANY COOLER. WE HAVE ABUSED NATURE FOR MANY YEARS AND NATURE CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE AND THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GETTING. HOWEVER, YOU CAN PUT SOLAR AND TAKE YOUR GRASS OFF AND PUT ROCKS. LET THE WATER GO THROUGH AND COMES BACK WHERE WE CAME FROM. DRINKING THE SAME WATER AS THREE AND A HALF MILLION YEARS AGO. SAME WATER. HOWEVER, LET ME -- LET ME GO BACK TO TOILET TO TAP. A LITTLE CITY EAST OF US THAT ARE DOING A WONDERFUL JOB BUT POURING MILLION GALLONS OF TREATED WATER -- GUESS WHAT WHERE? IN THE GREEN SWAMP. AND GUESS WHERE THE WATER COMES FROM? THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER, THE GREEN SWAMP. NOW WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO TELL ME? THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS CORRECT. IF I COULD GIVE YOU A SHORT ANSWER I WILL FIX IT NOW SO YOU CAN HAVE PEACE OF MIND FOR YEARS, SIX MONTHS OR WHATEVER, BECAUSE WHAT YOU HAVE GONE THROUGH NO HUMAN BEING HAS GONE THROUGH IN THE CITY OF TAMPA ALONG WITH TH NEIGHBORS THAT I NAMED ALL OVER THE CITY. SOMETHING THAT HAS HAPPENED THAT I HAVE NEVER SEEN IN MY 30 YEARS OF PUBLIC SERVICE, NEVER. AND IT IS BECAUSE NATURE CAN'T TAKE IT NO MORE. THAT IS WHAT IT COMES TO. I AM NOT FORMING EXCUSES, BUT TRYING TO FORM A RESOLUTION. NOT A TEMPORARY ONE, BECAUSE THAT TEMPORARY ONE WILL NOT WORK FOR WHAT IS COMING. I AGREE. HELP OUT. THIS GENTLEMAN THAT SAID ALL THE FACTS TODAY. HE -- HE IS A PROFESSIONAL OF PROFESSIONALS. AND NECESSARY NOT HERE TO BS MEAN AND I AM NOT TALKING OF BARBARA TRIES.SAND. I AM TELLING IT JUST LIKE IT IS. I NEVER KNOWN HIM TO TELL ME A MISNOMER THEIR IS NOT FACTUAL. TELLS ME YES, NO AND THE REASON WHY. AND THAT'S WHAT HE ASKED AND WHAT HE IS DOING. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU HAVE SAID AND DONE. I WANT MO TO MARCH FORWARD. I WANT TO SAVE NOT ONLY THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, BECAUSE WHEN YOU SAVE ONE, YOU SAVE THREE OR FOUR IN THE SAME LINE THAT IS NEEDED. WHEN UP SAVE THOSE, THE WATER CAN GO AND RUN OFF SOMEWHERE. A CATASTROPHE THAT HAPPENED. I WISH I HAD AN ANSWER AS TO WHY, I DON'T. THANK YOU MUCH FOR BEING WHO YOU ARE. >>VIK BHIDE: THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA, HENDERSON AND THEN I WILL WRAP IT UP. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIR. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION AND YOUR BACK AND FORTH IN BHIDE. I THINK THIS IS PRETTY SIMPLE ON THIS PROJECT. I PROBABLY STARTED TALKING TO PEOPLE ABOUT IT MARCH, APRIL OF THIS YEAR. IF I HAD TO GUESS APRIL. MILTON IS A GAME CHANGER OF HOW I SEE THIS PROJECT. WE KNOW THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN SOONER OR LATER. THE WAY I SEE IT, STAFF IS PUSHING TO MAKE IT SOONER. AND THAT HAS A RATIONALE BASIS. MORE OF A RATIONALE BASIS. WHEN I TALKED TO FOLKS HERE WHO WERE AFFECTED, I -- I HAVE MANY FEELINGS, BUT -- BUT ESPECIALLY OF PARKLAND ESTATES. ONE OF MY BIGGEST FEELINGS IS, THERE IS A PLAN THAT CAN -- WE ARE TOLD BY STAFF WHICH WE RELIED UPON THAT CAN ADDRESS THESE CHALLENGES. WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. RIGHT. AND NOT DOING SO AND IN EFFECT, TELLING THESE FOLKS THAT WE WILL WAIT MORE AND MORE TIME TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS TO ADDRESS YOUR PROBLEMS, ETC. I THINK IS AN ABANDONMENT OF JUST A CORE GOVERNMENT RESPONSIBILITY TO THESE FOLKS IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. THT IS THE WORK THAT I THINK OF. I THINK WE ALL SUPPORT IT MOVES FORWARD I WOULD RATHER HAVE IT DONE SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BRIEFLY THAT INVESTIGATIVE INQUIRY. THAT WILL INCLUDE SOUTH TAMPA IN TERMS OF THE CHALLENGES THAT HAPPENED IN SOUTH TAMPA. EVERY PART IT DIFFERENT. EVERY PART IS DIFFERENT. FOR ME IN PUBLIC OFFICE, I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE, YOU WILL MAKE SOMEBODY ANGRY. MIGHT MAKE PEOPLE ANGRY WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS RIGHT AND IN YOUR EYES WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING. THE BUCK STOPS HERE AND THE BUCK STOPS HERE. WHEN SOMETHING IS LIKE THIS, KNEE TOAD TO GO FORWARD WHAT I THINK IT RIGHT. WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT IS MOVING FORWARD WITH VIGOR. STAFF IS WORKING ON THIS ISSUE FOR SOME TIME. WE GOT BRIEFED IN 20 IT22. RIGHT NOW I DON'T REMEMBER IT. I WILL TRUST YOU. RELY ON YOUR STATEMENT THIS IS THE ONLY VIABLE ST. LOUIS THAT CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH A REAL SOLUTION FOR THIS COMMUNITY OPPOSED TO SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS. AND MAYBE THERE ARE, BY THE WAY, THINGS IN SHORT TERM THAT WE CAN TO DO MET GATE -- MITIGATE ISSU THIS NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS NOT IN A FLOOD ZONE DO NOT WANT MITIGATION, THEY WANT LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS. LIKE YOU SAID MR. BHIDE. I'M 46, WHEN I'M GOD WILLING 59 OR 100 WHEN I'M HERE -- I KNOW, RIGHT -- THIS PLAN WILL STILL BE BENEFITING PEOPLE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THAT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. WE CAN BRING THAT BACK TO FURTHER DISCUSS THIS IN NOVEMBER. I STRONGLY SUPPORT THAT. FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO REQUIRE A LOT MORE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, COMMUNITY INPUT. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE COUNCIL UPDATES ON THIS. WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AS PART OF THAT. AND BY THE WAY, THERE ARE PLAN MOVES FORWARD, YOU CAN BET YOUR BOTTOM DOLLAR WE ARE HEARING FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE AFFECTED BY THIS. AND, BY THE WAY, THE BUCK STOPS HERE, JUST LIKE WE HEARD FROM PEOPLE AFTER MILTON AFFECTED BY IN ADVERSELY, WE CAN HEAR FROM PEOPLE ON HOWARD. AGAIN THAT IS WHAT WE SIGN UP FOR AND SOMETIMES WE MAKE A DECISION WHERE SOMEBODY WILL GET ANGRY AT YOU. MIGHT AS WELL DO IT WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT. I ALWAYS TELL FOLKS. SO, AGAIN, I THINK THAT BY NOT GOING FORWARD BIGGER AT THIS TIME, IT WOULD BE AS I INTERPRET IT AN ABANDONMENT OF JUST A BASIC GOVERNMENT RESPONSIBILITY. YOU THINK OF THINGS LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH POLICE OR WITH FIRE, YOU KNOW. STORMWATER IS JUST A BASIC BREAD AND BUTTER ISSUE FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT. AND, AGAIN, TO THE EXTENT WE DO CERTAIN THINGS. A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE BLACK AND WHITE AND THIS IS GRAY. THERE IS NO PERFECT WAY FORWARD. I THINK IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH A PLAN THAT BEGINS THE BALL ROLLING NOW AND PUTS A REAL ACCENTUATION INTO MITIGATING AS MUCH AS WE CAN WITH THE CHALLENGES THAT ARE HERE TODAY, I THINK THIS IS THE BEST WE CAN DO. AND THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT I WILL SUPPORT AGAIN. POLITICAL BLOW BACK FROM THAT? ABSOLUTELY. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE IN OFFICE TO DO IS TO TAKE THE HITS FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING ESPECIALLY ON THOSE GRAYISH EWES WHERE WE GOT TO SAY -- GRAY ISSUES AND WHERE WE SAY WE DEAL WITH THIS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON AND THEN I WILL WRAP UP. >>GWEN HENDERSON: YAY, THIS IS A MY TURN. AS A NEW COUNCILMEMBER AND GETTING ENORMOUS AMOUNT 67 COMMUNICATION FROM THE COMMUNITY REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC, I JUST HAVE TO GIVE YOU ALL SOME HISTORY THAT I CAME ACROSS AS I LIKE DOING THAT. AS I SIT IN THIS SEAT, OCTOBER 18, 1888, MR. BRYANT AND A FEW COMMUNITY MEMBERS CAME BEFORE THIS CHAMBER FROM THE -- FROM THE SCRUB. AND THEY ASKED FOR ONE THING. THAT JUST BLEW ME AWAY. THEY ASKED FOR A WATER LINE INTO THEIR COMMUNITY. BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE IT. THEY ALSO ASKED FOR JUST A FEW STREETS AND SOME LIGHTS. SO I DID A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH, AND I LOOKED, AND ALL OF THESE AMAZING COMMUNITIES ALREADY HAVE STREETS AND WATER AND LIGHTS AND THE CLEAR MR. McKNIGHT TOLD HIM TO PUT IN WRITING. AT THE TIME IT WAS JUST PUBLIC COMMENT. PUBLIC COMMENT, YOUPLANT REARED TO PUT IT IN WRITING. TO THE CLEAR'S SURPRISE MR. BRYANT CAME BACK IN THE CHAMBER WITH A DETAILED OUTLINE OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY WAS ASKING FOR. AND THEY SAID THEY WOULD TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION. JUST LIKE WE HAVE TO DO RIGHT NOW. I -- I COME FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF TRUSTING OUR STAFF. I LIKE DOING THAT. THEY ARE THE EXPERTS. WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO THEM. AND TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION ALONG THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. BECAUSE THAT PART IS IMPORTANT. YOU ALL ARE MEETING FOR YOUR COMMUNITIES. THERE WAS A POINT WHERE YOU WERE TALKING EARLIER AND URN CUT OFF. THAT I REALLY WANTED TO HEAR AND YOU HAD A TOCK ULTIMATE THERE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU -- IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO SAY THAT. BECAUSE COUNCILMAN CARLSON WAS GOING FAST AND HIS PASSION IS GREATLY APPRECIATE. WHAT I WILL SAY I DON'T BELIEVE ANY SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS TO CHANGE WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR COMMUNITIES. I WISH IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. I FEEL BAD. ONE OF THE LETTERS THAT I RECEIVED WAS SO, YOU KNOW, IMPASSIONED AND DIRECTED TOWARD ME THAT MAYBE I WASN'T SENSITIVE ENOUGH. I CAN'T IMAGINE EXPERIENCED THE FLOODING THAT HAPPENED IN PARKLAND ESTATES ALONG WITH FOREST HILLS ALONG WITH PALMETTO BEACH AND BECOMES -- IT DOES BECOME PERSONAL BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE LOST A LOT OF THINGS. AND IT TRANSCENDS CLASS AND ECONOMIC STATUS. A LOT OF PEOPLE LOST THINGS. PEOPLE WHO ARE WELL OFF AS WELL AS PEOPLE ARE WORKING -- THE WORKING POOR. AND FOR THIS PROCESS THE FACT THAT YOU ARE SAYING WE NEED TO START IN BAYSHORE AND IT WILL BENEFIT THE OTHER AREAS, I WILL TRUST THAT. I TRUST THE PROGRESSIVE DESIGN-BUILD PROCESS. I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS A QUICK SOLUTION. I KNOW WE WILL HAVE TO PRAY FOR THE STORMS THAT COME IN BETWEEN THE FOUR YEARS IN WORKING TO GET THIS DONE. I ACTUALLY DO UNDERSTAND THAT. SO IF THE BENEFITS STARTS STARTING HOW YOU SAY WE ARE STARTING AND THE PROGRESSIVE DESIGN-BUILD IS THE BEST WAY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN AND I KNOW BECAUSE OF HOW THESE COMMUNITIES FIGHT IS THAT AS SOON AS THOSE STREETS GET CHOSEN, Y'ALL ARE GOING TO COME DOWN HERE AND SOMEBODY IS NOT GOING TO LIKE THAT THEIR STREET GOT PICKED. I M GOING TO LISTEN, BUT I AM GOING TO STICK WITH WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS. I AM JUST SAYING THAT PUBLICLY RIGHT NOW. I AM SAYING IT. I KNOW THAT YOU -- SOMEBODY MIGHT END UP HAVING TO TREK THEIR GROCERIES A COUPLE OF BLOCKS TO GET TO THEIR HOUSE AND GO THROUGH THOSE PAINS, YOU KNOW, OF THE -- OF THE ENTIRE PROCESS. BUT I AM THINKING OF MR. BRYANT WHO JUST ASKED FOR ONE LINE. THAT IS WHO I AM THINKING ABOUT. AND I AM THINKING OF IT THE PERSON WHO SOLD THEIR HOUSE IN A FLOOD ZONE TO SOMEBODY ELSE AND IS THEIR HOUSE OKAY? I MEAN IT JUST EXPANDS MY BRAIN IN THAT WAY. AND SO IT IS -- I KNOW IT IS GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE AND I APPRECIATE THE YOUNG PEOPLE THAT CAME BEFORE US TODAY. THAT SAID WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY, A 13-YEAR-OLD AND A 14-YEAR-OLD BECAUSE THAT IS WHO I AM THINKING ABOUT. AND I SAID THAT IN THE VIDEO WHEN I BECAME A COUNCILMEMBER. I AM ALWAYS GOING TO BE THINKING OF THE FUTURE GENERATION SO AS IT IS GOING TO HURT YOU WHILE IT IS GETTING DONE, BUT IT IS FOR THE FUTURE. AND I AM GOING TO STICK WITH WHAT THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING. THANK YOU, CHAIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I WANTED TO SHOW THE PHOTOS FROM 2019. HE WILL HAND THE GAVEL. IT IS ON MY PHONE. THIS SHOWS YOU WHAT -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. CHAIR, PLEASE HOLD YOUR COMMENTS UNTIL YOU GET TO THE MICROPHONE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GUIDO MANISCALCO, TAMPA CITY COUNCIL. DO I NEED TO GIVE MY ADDRESS? [LAUGHTER] >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO YOU CAN HAVE MORE STALKERS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: EXCUSE MY LOOK. I WAS 50 POUNDS HEAVIER HERE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WHO IS THAT? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS IS THE GUY I USED TO KNOW. THIS IS -- I BELIEVE THIS IS ESTRELLA. I BELIEVE IN IS IN 2019ING TO THE STORMWATER PROCESS. SAME CONTRACTOR WE ARE DISCUSSING KIMMONS. THIS IS ME STAND BEING ASTORMWATER. AND TEN FOOT BY -- IT IS THE SIZE OF A SMALL KIDS BEDROOM. THIS WHAT THE STREET LOOKED LIKE. THE MAGNITUDE OF THE PROJECT. THIS IS WHAT HOWARD AVENUE LOOKS LIKE IF HOWARD AVENUE IS CHOSEN. YOU CAN GOLF CART, YOU CAN WALK, BUT IT WILL COMPLETELY DISRUPT BUSINESS. IF YOU DO IT ONE BLOCK AT A TIME OR TWO, IT IS BIG. THIS IS THE MAGNITUDE OF IT. THESE ARE THE STORMWATER VAULTS ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET IN PEOPLE'S DRIVEWAYS AND RIGHT-OF-WAYS AND THAT WILL CONNECT UNDER THE CHOSEN ROUTE. SO IT IS -- IT IS A SIDEWALK-TO-SIDEWALK DIGGING. 0, 0 FEET, WHATEVER IT IS GOING TO BE TO PUT THESE IN. IT WAS A -- IT WAS -- CAN I JUST TALK FROM HERE -- I DON'T WANT TO TURN MY BACK TO THE AUDIENCE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MILES PER HOUR ATTRACTIVE FROM THAT -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ANOTHER COMEDIAN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL DO ANYTHING TO KEEP THE GAVEL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL TO THE AUDIENCE. I DON'T WANT TO TURN MY BACK TO ANYBODY. I TOLD THIS STORY AND I WILL TELL IT AGAIN. I HAVE BEEN ON COUNCIL FOR TERN YEARS -- I KNOW, I WAS 30 YEARS OLD AD NOW I AM 40. BUT -- BUT THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION PROPOSED THIS STORMWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ASSESSMENT AND MAINTENANCE ASSESSMENT, WHICH WAS A PROPERTY TAX INCREASE. AND IT WAS ONE OF THE TOUGHEST VOTES I EVER HAD TO TAKE. AND I REMEMBER, IT DROVE ME CRAZY. JUST LIKE THIS LAST MONTH, THIS SOUTH HOWARD FLOODING RELIEF. I HAVE BEEN TOP PEOPLE'S HOUSES. I HAVE MET WITH THEM IN THE COMMUNITIES. I HELPED THEM GET THEIR DEBRIS PICKED UP. WHATEVER I COULD DO. IT HAS GOTTEN SO BAD BECAUSE I AM OBSESSED WITH WORK. MY WIFE TOOK MY WORK PHONE AWAY AND SAID TAKE A BREAK. MEALS AND PHONE CALLS. GUIDO, THE COMPLAINT DEPARTMENT. BUT I AM PASSIONATE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING FOR THE COMMUNITY AND GOING BACK TO 2015, 25016, THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION PROPOSED THIS ASSESSMENT. I WENT BACK AND FORTH AND TRYING TO LOOK AT WHATEVER OPTION I COULD BEFORE SAYING, YES, TO RAISING PEOPLE'S TAXES. I PITCHED EVERYTHING TONIGHT MAYOR PERSONALLY AND EVERYTHING WAS NO. WHEN THE VOTE CAME UP, I VOTED AGAINST IT. AND I ESSENTIALLY KILLED IT. ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE WAS NEW MOTIVATION FROM THAT ADMINISTRATION. THEY CAME UP WITH $20 MILLION IN COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX MONEY TO MAKE CHEAPY AND LESSEN THE BURDEN. AND THIS PROJECT WILL SAVE TAXPAYERS BETWEEN $30 MILLION TO $40 MILLION. STORMWATER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PASSED SEPTEMBER 1, 015. SEPTEMBER 1, A DARK AND STORMY NIGHT. AND WHEN YOU TALK OF POLITICAL BLOWBACK. I HEARD IT -- I HEARD IT FROM ALL THE ANGLES. HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF THAT, WE ARE ABLE TO DO THE HENDERSON AND DALE MABRY FLOODING. ESTRELLA GOING TO WESTSHORE. SAME PROJECT. SAME CONTRACTOR WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NOW. BECAUSE OF THAT, ROME AND KENNEDY AND THE CYPRESS STREET OUTFALL. THAT FLOODED TERRIBLY IN 015. AS I MENTIONED WITH SEMINOLE HEIGHTS. THAT WAS PROBABLY THE WORSE OF IT, BECAUSE I AM CLOSE TO SEMINOLE HEIGHTS. I DON'T LIVE THERE, BUT I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE BUSINESSES CLOSED. BUSINESSES WERE DEEPLY AFFECTED. ON TO HAVE OF THAT, YOU HAVE COVID. TIMING WOULDN'T BE WORSE. PEOPLE WERE SEEING HIT AFTER HIT AFTER HIT AND I GOT SO MANY COMPLAINTS. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WE APPOINTED HER TO THE BOARD. THEN SHE GOT ELECTED. BECAUSE SHE LIVES THERE. AGAIN, I AM THERE ALL THE TIME. COMPLAINTS WERE ENDLESS TO MY OFFICE. WE HAVE COMPLAINTS AT PEOPLE'S OFFICES. FRIENDS THAT LIVED THERE. I WOULD PARK BLOCKS AWAY AND WALK THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. COMPLAINT AFTER COMPLAINT AFTER COMPLAINT. ONE PERSON I REMEMBER I COULDN'T SAY ANYTHING RIGHT. SHE JUST WANTED TO YELL. AND IT WAS LIKE -- EVERYTHING IS OKAY NOW, BUT FOR MONTHS, IT IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET YELLED AT 24-7, YOU KNOW MR. BHIDE, YOU TAKE A LOT OF HITS. PEOPLE ASK WHAT DO YOU DO FOR A LIVING. AVOID SAYING CITY COUNCIL. I GET YELLED AT FOR A LIVING. THEY SAY WHAT IT YOU THAT MEAN? AND I EXPLAIN TO THEM. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH PARKLAND ESTATES. PALMA CEIA. PINES NORTH OF THERE. AND I WENT TO SCHOOL THERE. I TELL PEOPLE I WENT TO THE GREEK SCHOOL. IT WAS GREEK. NOW THE CHURCH. I WENT THERE. I HAVE BEEN GETTING COFFEE N THAT NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE HIGH SCHOOL. I HAD MY FIRST DATE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN I WAS 13 YEARS OLD -- NO, I AM -- WE WENT TO THE THE MOVIES IT WAS AMC DOWN THE STREET IN HYDE PARK. I HAVE A LOT OF DEEP CONNECTIONS TO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. BERN'S RESTAURANT. WHALEY'S MARKET. I AM GOING BACK -- MANY PEOPLE MAY NOT KNOW, GOING BACK TO THE '90S. BUT MY CONCERN IS THIS. I WANT TO DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT IS IMPACTFUL AND MEANINGFUL. ARE WE GOING TO SOLVE ANY PROBLEMS? NO. COUNCILMAN CARLSON BROUGHT UP INTERESTING POINTS AND CHILDREN. MY ISSUE, WE MOVE FORWARD AND YOU HAVE TO SAY YES IN ORDER TO GO FOR A DESIGN-BUILD OR DESIGN PUBLIC INPUT AND WE WILL SELECT WHY CAN'T WE SELECT A ROUTE -- MY CONCERN IS, WHY DOES IT HAVE TO IMPACT HOWARD? I WAS LOOKING AT THE MAP THAT YOU PUT UP. AND IT WAS NUMBER THREE. AND I LOOKED AT IT CLOSELY AND IT SAYS MORRISON -- GOING ACROSS MORRISON TO ALBANY. WHY IS ALBANY A NARROW RESIDENTIAL STREET. YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU DEAL WITH ESTRELLA EVEN THOUGH IT WAS TERRIBLE. IT WORKED -- KIMMINS WAS ABILITY TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY. WHY HAVE SOMETHING MORE DEFINITIVE BEFORE WE SAY YES. I DON'T WANT TO SAY YES TO SOMETHING AND WE LOSE CONTROL. LOOKING AT THE DOCK DAYCARE ULTIMATE AND CITY SAID NO ROUTE ANALYSIS WILL BE REQUIRED. WHY HAS BRISTOL CHOSEN AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT ROUTE IS SET. THOSE SENTENCES THERE CONCERN ME. I WANT TO MOVE FORWARD. AND WHEN THEM ALREADY MADE THEIR MIND, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS CONVINCE COUNCIL TO SAY YES. I HAVE BEEN DOING POLITICS LONG ENOUGH AND I LEARNED NOT TO TRUST PEOPLE. NO OFFENSE TO ANYBODY. BUT WHEN YOU GET BURNED REPEATEDLY, YOU ARE SUSPICIOUS OF EVERYBODY. SO WHAT GUARANTEES DO WE HAVE? YOU SAY, COUNCIL, IT HAS GOT TO COME BEFORE YOU. IT HAS GOT TO COME BEFORE YOU. AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT SAID YOU APPROVED THE -- THE CONTRACT IS SIGNED. THIS COULD GO TO THE COURTS IN A LAWSUIT. AND, WELL, THE SHIP HAS SAILED. NETS DO WE HAVE, BECAUSE I AM NOT GOING TO HAVE BLOOD ON MY HANDS PHILOSOPHICALLY WITH PEOPLE MOVING OUT OF THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS PROJECT NOT BEING DONE. PUTTING BUSINESSLESS OUT OF BUSINESS. YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE EMPLOYED IN THAT AREA. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE DOING RIGHT THING WHEN YOU GO INTO PEOPLE'S HOMES AND LOST EVERYTHING. WILL THE CITY COME AND PICK -- I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT. CHI CHILDREN AND TRAUMA. I OF I HAVE TROUBLE SLEEPING BECAUSE OF WORK. IF PEOPLE HOW MUCH WORRY OF WAKING UP WITHOUT POWER AND WATER UP TO THEIR KNEES. WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING AND OUR GOOD PERSON. WE HAVE A GREAT TEAM. BUT I WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING THAT IS LEAST IMPACTFUL. MY THING IS, I DON'T WANT TO HURT PEOPLE. YES THESE ARE TOUGH POLITICAL POSITIONS, BUT PEOPLE HAVE SUFFERED. THIS IS AWFUL. I HAVE KNOWN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE I WAS A KID. SO THAT'S IT. . . >>VIK BHIDE: THANK YOU. FIRST, THANK YOU FOR SHARING SOME OF YOUR PAST. THOSE NICE STORY THERE IS. SO ON THE ROUTES. WHY NOT THE ALBANY ROUTE OR THE GEORGIA, MISSISSIPPI ROUTE OR SOME OF THE OTHER ROUTES THAT ARE SHOWN. HE WANTED TO PUT TOGETHER A MATRIX OF DIFFERENT FACTORS. THE FACTORS BEGAN OF MOVING WATER FIRST, BUT LOOKED AT IMPACTS, IMPACT TO TREES, AVAILABLE WIDTH OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. LIKE YOU SAID A NARROW STREET. THE CHALLENGE OF A NARROW STREET AND A VERY BIG BOX CULL VEVERT EVERYBODY AROUND THE PROPERTY PROVIDES AN EASEMENT THAT GOES THROUGH POOLS, BACKYARDS AND HOPEFULLY BACK YARD AND NOT FRONT DWLARDZ WILL IMPACT WASTEWATER CONNECTIONS WHICH ARE TYPICALLY IN THE BACK YARD. THE OTHER THING WITH ALL OF THESE ROUTES UNFORTUNATELY BUT TRUE, THE BOX UNDER CSX. THE SCHEDULE WAS A DRIVING FACT ARE. THE THIRD DRIVING FACTOR IS CAN IT CONNECT TO AN OUTFALL ON BAYSHORE ULTIMATELY BECAUSE THAT WILL BE VERY DISRUPTIVE AS WELL. TODAY OUR PROBABLY BEGINS AT BAYSHORE. SHOULD COUNCIL MOVE IT FORWARD. EIGHT TO TEN WEEKS ON BAYSHORE. NOT MORE THAN. TO BUILD A WHOLE BOX AT BAYSHOR A MUCH BIGGER IMPACT. EVEN WITH THIS IMPACT TWO LANES IN EITHER DIRECTION. STILL ACCESS. IF WE WERE TO CONSTRUCT IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE ACCESS BECAUSE YOU ARE BUILDING THAT OUTFALL TO BAYSHORE ALL THESE CONSIDERATIONS AN LET ME TOUCH ON TREES A LITTLE BIT MORE. HUGE IMPACTS TO GRAND TREES ALONG -- HUGE IMPACT TO GRAND TREES ALONG THE ALBANY AND GEORGIA ROUTES. AND THEN FINALLY IN THE 09-TURNS THAT ARE REQUIRED. WATER DOES NOT LIKE TO MAKE 90-DEGREE TURNS. IT IS HARD AND THE DESIGN IS CHALLENGED AND DOESN'T WORK AS WELL. ALL THESE FACTORS THAT BEGIN WITH WHAT A VIABLE. THE GIST OF IT. AND INTERESTING STORY ON T THE BERN'S CELLAR AND THE WINE. ONE OF THE REASONS THAT KIMMONS WAS SELECTED FROM THE OTHER TWO CONTRACTORS BECAUSE OF THEIR ATTENTION TO DETAIL. DURING THEIR PRESENTATION, ONE OF THE EXAMPLES THEY USED TO PROTECT BUSINESSES WAS RECOGNITION OF THE WINE CELLAR UNDER BERN'S AND TALKING OF MANAGING VIBRATION AND MANAGING ACCESS THROUGH THAT SEGMENT. SO WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR THAT WILL BE SENSITIVE TO A LOT OF THESE NEEDS. BUT THERE IS TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S POINT, THERE IS NO SCENARIO OF NO IMPACT. THERE WILL BE IMPACT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. BHIDE, IS IT A QUESTION OF MONEY IF WE FIND AN ALTERNATE? I SAY THAT BECAUSE WE JUST REVIEWED THE C.I.T. FOR ANOTHER 15 YEARS. I TOLD YOU MY STORY OF GETTING MORE MONEY THAT -- THERE WAS NO OTHER OPTION BACK THEN UNTIL I SAID NO. AND $20 MILLION AND. IF IT IS AS MATTER OF MONEY, I AM HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE PROBABLY COST AS LITTLE BIT MORE TO BE -- TO BE LESS IMPACTFUL TO -- I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST THE HOMEOWNERS, BUT HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE EMPLOYED THROUGHOUT THAT CORRIDOR. I COME FROM A FAMILY OF SMALL BUSINESSES. F IF THIS WAS THEIR BUSINESS, I WOULD TELL THEM TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY -- THEY DON'T OWN THIS THEY RENT. MOVE OUT AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. YES, WE SURVIVED COVID. COUNCILMAN MIRANDA SAY THIS HURRICANE WILL MAKE COVID LOOK LIKE A CAKEWALK AND COVID WAS MISERABLE. A MATTER OF MONEY IF WE CAN DO THIS AND GO DOWN SWA SWANN. IF WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT. IF WE CAN DO LIFT STATIONS, PUMP STATIONS, WHATEVER IT IS, LET ME KNOW BECAUSE I AM HAPPY TO -- TO ENTERTAIN AND SUPPORT. IF IT IS MORE EXPENSIVE, IT IS MORE EXPENSIVE. BUT IF WE DO THE RIGHT THING, WE DO THE RIGHT THING. COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN AND I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE AND THEN WE WILL WRAP IT UP. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE, EVERYBODY SAW YOUR PICTURE SO NOBODY BELIEVED THAT YOU HAD A DATE BACK THEN. SO -- [ LAUGHTER ]. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WOW. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE DATES. MOTHER GOT IMPACTED BY -- WE BROKE UP 25 YEARS AGO BUT TIE -- MY WIFE TIES INTO THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL CIRCLES AROUND. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS ARE LISTENING, UNLESS THERE IS SOME OTHER MAGIC FORMULA THAT I AM NOT LEERING. WHAT MR. BHIDE TOLD US, IN OUTFLOW ON HOWARD IS -- I MEAN, THAT -- THAT IS -- THAT IS WHERE WE ARE STARTING. THAT -- THAT IS WHERE WE ARE GOING TO START. NOT LIKE WE ARE GOING TO TAKE THIS THING TO BEACH PARK OR TAKE THIS THING TO WHEREVER, IT IS GOING -- ITS GOING -- THAT LAST SEGMENT BE THE HOWARD BAYSHORE SEGMENT. SO WE START OFF ON THAT ASSUMPTION THIS IS WHERE THIS WATER IS GOING TO GO BECAUSE GUESS WHAT, THAT IS WHERE WATER GOES, IT IS FLOWING DOWNHILL AND IT IS DOWN HILL. INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. AND I APPRECIATE THIS -- SOME OF THAT FIRST BRIEFS THAT I GOT ON THIS PROJECT WAS THE STREET IMPROVEMENTS YOU ARE PROMISING FOR HOWARD, THE SECTION BETWEEN THE CROSSTOWN AND BAYSHORE ALREADY HAVE SOME TREMENDOUS IMPACTS. I THINK ULTIMATELY, THE IMPACTS, BECAUSE OF THE TREMENDOUS SIDEWALK, LANDSCAPE, LIGHTING IMPROVEMENTS WILL MITIGATE THE IMPACT THAT THIS PROJECT WILL HAVE ON THAT SEGMENT. SO I THINK QUALITY -- ONE, FOR THE BUSINESSES WILL IMPROVE THE BUSINESSES AND IMPROVE THEIR VIABILITY. AND ALSO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT LIVE IN THAT GENERAL VICINITY. THE PORTIONS -- THERE IS -- THERE IS A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I AM STILL CONCERNED GO. I AM -- WHAT I AM HEARING -- YOU INITIALLY STEERED CLEAR OF THAT SWANN, HOWARD. LESS RIGHT TURNS WHEN YOU DO THAT. YOU LITERALLY TAKEN TWO RIGHT TURNS MADE IT INTO ONE. INFRASTRUCTURE WHICH IS MONEY AND YOU HEARD FROM THE CHAIRMAN. HEARD TO MAKE A MORE REASONABLE LESS IMPACTFUL PROJECT, LET'S FIGURE THIS OUT. IF THAT IS WHAT WORKS WORKS AND MAKES SENSE, LET'S FIGURE IT OUT AND WE WILL TRY TO FIND IT. I WILL KEEP GOING BACK AND MAKES SENSE TO ME. WHEN WE THINK THROUGH STAGING COUPLE OF OPTIONS. ONE LITTLE PROBLEM AREA BETWEEN BRISTOL AND SOUTH -- ONE BLOCK SOUTH OF BRISTOL ON HOWARD AND DIFFICULT TO GET AROUND BECAUSE OF THE CONFIGURATIONS AND PROBABLY WE HAVE AGAIN AWAY PROPERTY IN THE PAST AND BUILT ON IT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY THROUGHWAYS ANYMORE. EVERYTHING ELSE -- WE CAN GO NORTH AND AROUND -- WHAT IS IT, THE STREET -- THE CVS UP THERE TO GET RIGHT AROUND THAT. OTHER OPTIONS OF CIRCLING AROUND. THE ONLY OTHER THINGS WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IF WE HAVE TIME TALKING ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND I WANT TO HE RIGHT RATE WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON HAS HIT ON. BECAUSE A LOT OF INFORMATION OUT THERETO THAT SOMEHOW THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN LAX AND WE HAVE IGNORED THIS AREA FROM PARKLAND AND ALSO FROM SWANN TO KENNEDY. THERE HAS NOT BEEN A PROJECT -- THIS PROJECT WAS ORIGINAL LEECH NOT CONCEIVED FOR THIS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE ARE DOING IF WE HAVE TO EXPAND THE SCOPE AND DIP FURTHER NEAR STORMWATER WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO DO TO PURSUE MORE GRANTS TO MAKE SURE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS TAKEN CARE OF THAT IT OCCURS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS. WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC THIS MORNING THE AREAS IN PALMA CEIA FURTHER SOUTH OF THIS. A COUPLE OF NEIGHBORHOODS. AND MAKING SURE. I KNOW YOUR OFFICE IS DOING THIS, BUT PEOPLE LISTENING TO THIS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD -- A LOT OF DISCUSSION OF JUST THIS, KNOWING THAT WE HAD SOME PRETTY DEVASTATING FRESH WATER FLOODING AROUND -- WE ARE NOT TALKING OF SURGE FLOODING BUT FRESH WATER FLOODING FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT WE HAVE A PLAN. AND SOME OF THIS MAY BE JUST AS SIMPLE AS MAKING SURE WE DO THOSE DITCHES. AND WE HAVE A REGULAR SCHEDULE THAT MAYBE THIS IS HIGHLIGHTED SOME AREASES THAT WE CAN IMPROVE UPON -- AREAS THAT WE CAN IMPROVE UPON. AND WE HAVE A ROUTE THAT EXPERIENCE FRESH WATER FLOODING THAT THE CITY WILL RESPOND TO THAT AND LOOK WHAT THE CAUSES OF THOSE IN THE POCKET NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE ARE NOT IGNORING YOU. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. BUT THE CITY STAFF IS ON TOP OF IT. WITHER GOING TO PURSUE THAT. YOU WILL FIGURE OUT WHY IT FLOODED. IF WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE A PROJECT OR JUST MAINTENANCE. TALK OF MILLING ROADS. TALKED OF THESE ROADS BEING UP HIGH. SO THE SEWER SYSTEM WAS HERE. AND WE KEEP LAYERING ROADS AND CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS. EVENTUALLY A ROAD YOU REPAVED SEVEN TIMES OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS AND INLET HERE AND A SLIVER OF SPACE FOR WATER TO COME TO. MILLING BACK THE ROADS AND RECLAIMING THAT AND SOME OF THE AREAS IS THE SOLUTION I AM HOPING THAT YOU GUYS WILL COME BACK AND HOPE THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT COMES BACK WITH -- WE IDENTIFIED THESE AREAS AND THESE SOLUTION. IF IT IS BACK-UP GENERATORS AT FOREST HILLS, WHATEVER THOSE THINGS ARE THAT CAN SOLVE THESE PROBLEMS, THAT YOU GUYS COME FORWARD TO TELL US, ONE, WHAT THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE OBSERVED. WE HAVE PROBLEMS THAT WE CAN FIND A SOLUTION FOR. WHAT THE SOLUTIONS ARE. HOW MUCH ITS GOING TO COST AND WHERE WE ARE GOING TO GET THE MONEY. THANK YOU. >>VIK BHIDE: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MENTIONING THAT. I WILL JUST TOUCH UPON REAL QUICK, COUNCIL APPROVED A $5 MILLION WATER SHED MANAGEMENT PLAN. THAT IS OUR STORM WARE PLAN. THAT GOING TO INFORM THE NEXT ROUND OF CAPITAL PROJECTS. THAT IT WHAT IT DOES. THAT WORK IS UNDER WAY. I CAN'T THANK THIS COUNCIL ENOUGH FOR THAT. ON NOVEMBER 18, WE WILL HOLD A MULTINEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD. THE COMMUNICATION IS ALREADY OUT ON THAT. WE WILL DO THAT AND CONTINUE TO ENGAGE. AND THEN ON JANUARY 257 -- OR 23. I AM NOT SO SURE, COUNCILMAN VIERA MADE A MOTION TO COVER THIS WITH SHORT TERM SOLUTION RELATIVE TO STORMWATER AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT IS WHEN WE WILL HAVE BETTER INFORMATION AND GENERATORS AND WHAT WE CAN DO IN THE SHORT TERM. A POINT WAS MADE EARLIER TODAY ABOUT MAINTENANCE AND THAT IS CRITICAL. WE TO HAVE A MAINTENANCE ASSESSMENT. THE SERVICE ASSESSMENT. BUT IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED RELATIVE TO TO OUR NEEDS AND COSTS TODAY. I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND CLOSE OUT WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND THEN -- WELL, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA WILL BE THE CLOSER. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I JUST WANT -- I AM GLAD YOU MENTIONED THE WATER SHED MITIGATION PLAN BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT I WAS GOING TO BRING UP THAT OUR STAFF IS ALREADY WORKING ON THE NEXT ITERATION. THIS IS -- THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW WE NEEDED TO TAKE CARE OF, AND I I AM SO AND HAPPY TO SAY THAT OUR CITY HAS BEEN FAR AHEAD THAN ANY OTHER CITY IN THE STATE LOOKING AT THIS BEFOREHAND. WE KNOW -- WE KNOW WE ARE A CITY THAT HAS THIS KIND OF IMPACT. AND MILTON AND HELENE JUST PROVED IT TO US THAT WE WERE RIGHT TO GET STARTED. IF WE COULD HAVE STARTED 20 YEARS BEFORE THAT, GREAT. BUT WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. AND WE ARE BET YOU ARE OFF WHERE WE WERE. AND I DO WANT TO NEXT THAT -- THAT THE MILLING. A LOT OF THAT IS ALLEYS. A LOT OF THAT IS ALLEYS. BECAUSE ALLEYS ARE WHERE STORMWATER GOES A LOT OF COMMUNITIES. AND I -- I HAD TALK TALKED TO YOU ABOUT EVEN CREATING A -- WHEN WE FIXED THESE ALLEYS AND LOWERED AND MILLED THEM, THAT BECOMING ANOTHER WAY THAT PEOPLE CAN USE THEM FOR RECREATION WHICH IS A HUGE ISSUE IN THE SUMMER. ALLEYS ARE SHADED AND TREED. A ONE-TWO PUNCH. TO USE STORMWATER FUNDS FOR THAT WORK. WE ARE FIXING THE ALLEYS AND ADDING MAYBE A LITTLE PARKS MONEY ON TOP OF THAT TO HELP -- TO HELP MAKE IT MORE USABLE SPACE. SORT OF A TWO-FOR-ONE. THE REASON I TURNED ON MY MIC, I AM DEFINITELY CONCERNED OF BUSINESSES AND MAKING SURE WE DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO MITIGATE ANY OF THE IMPACTS BECAUSE THESE ARE WEEK AND MONTH IMPACTS. ONE OR TWO MONTHS, NOT YEAR IMPACTS. WHAT WE WILL HAVE TO DO IS FIND A WAY TO HAVE MORE PARKING SOMEWHERE. TO HAVE WAYS THAT WE CAN ENCOURAGE PEOPLE -- ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME TO HOWARD AVENUE TO USE THESE BUSINESSES AND THE NEIGHBORS TALKED ABOUT -- HOW THIS FOCUS IS IMPACTED THAT IS WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO GET THEIR FUNDS AND WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO VISIT. SO I JUST -- I DO WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT A FOUR-YEAR PROJECT DOES NOT MEAN FOUR YEARS OF NOT ACCESS -- NOT HAVING ACCESS TO HOWARD AVENUE. ONE THE HOWARD AVENUE SECTION IS DONE WHICH WILL PROBABLY BE THE -- HONESTLY LOOKING AT ANY OF THE THOSE PATHWAYS, THE SHORTEST LEAST IMPACTFUL PART. THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO VISIT THOSE BUSINESSES AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE LEARNED SO MUCH FROM SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO FOR SMALL BUSINESSES TO HELP. THERE WILL ALWAYS BE MORE THINGS WE CAN LEARN HERE. AND I AM JUST SAYING I AM COMMITTED TO WORKING ON THAT. I AM SUBMITTED TO DRIVING DOWN AND PATRON SIZING THOSE BUSINESSES PERSONALLY AND ENCOURAGING OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY DO SO BECAUSE THAT IS THE WAY WE GET THROUGH THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND MIRANDA WILL CLOSE US OUT. >>BILL CARLSON: FIRST, I WANT TO SAY TO THE FOLKS HERE AND TO THE ONES WATCHING ONLINE, I TOLD EVERYBODY PUBLICLY CLOSE AND PRIVATELY. I AM 100% COMMITTED TO FINDING A SOLUTION. I DON'T LIKE THE SOLUTION ON THE TABLE. MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND OTHERS DON'T LIKE THE SOLUTION. THE CONFLICT HAS COME FOR SOME REASON PEOPLE ARE BATTLING THAT WE SHOULDN'T OPEN IT TO ADDITIONAL IDEAS. VIK, IF YOU COME BACK WITH A PROPOSAL, IT CAN'T BE A REGULAR DESIGN-BUILD TRCONTRACT. IT HAS TO BE A PROCESS WHERE THE PUBLIC IS ENGAGED AND LOOKING TO GIVE INPUT INTO IT. I USED TO DO PUBLIC EN PUT F-- INPUT FOR A REASON. YOU WANT TO SELL A PROJECT. WHAT COLOR YOU WANT IT TO BE AND WHAT CORNER YOU WANT TO START WITH FIRST. PUBLIC VOCHT AND EN CLEARLY NOT PUBLIC INPUT. NOT REAL PUBLIC INPUT DONE BEFORE LAST YEAR OR BEFORE EARLY THIS YEAR. THERE WERE MEETINGS SINCE THEN, BUT NO REAL BIG PUBLIC MEET BUGS SOME NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, AND I AM DISAPPOINTED OF THE WAY THE MAYOR AND HER POLITICAL ADVISOR I UNDERSTAND WENT TO MEET WITH A SMALL GROUP AND NOT A LARGER GROUP OF PARKLAND ESTATES AND ANY OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD. I WOULD RECOMMEND A MEETING OF EVERYONE ONCE YOU START THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. COMMUNICATION ON THIS HAS BEEN TERRIBLE. YOU HAVE THE BEST PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PERSON, MICHELLE ROBINSON. YOU HAVE THE BEST PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PERSON. SHE ABSOLUTELY KNOWS HOW TO DO IT. BUT YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH HER RIGHT TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS. WE HAVE TO HAVE REAL PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND PUBLIC INPUT. YOU TALKED ABOUT THE -- FOR THE PUBLIC, MY SKEPTICISM IS -- IS -- AND GUIDO EYE LEWDED TO, MY ADMINISTRATION GOT THINGS PRESENTED TO US THAT WE FOUND OUT WAS COMPLETELY FALSE. YES, WE TRUST ENGINEERS BUT WHEN THE CITY SAYS WITH HE MUST PAY $6 BILLION ON A TOILET TO TAP AND RUN OUT OF WATER AND PROVE THAT IT IS FALSE AND THEY FINALLY ADMIT IT IS FALSE AND I CAN GO OVER AND OVER AND GIVE YOU HUNDREDS EXAMPLES. WHEN THE ADMINISTRATION HAS A TRACK RECORD OF PRESENTING THINGS THAT -- THAT DON'T BUILD TRUST IN THE COMMUNITY AND DON'T BUILD TRUST FOR COUNCIL, IT IS VERY FRUSTRATING TO US. WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY PRESENT SOMETHING THAT PRESENT SOMETHING TO US AND THEY GET US TO APPROVE IT AND ANOTHER BIT OF THE APPLE. ANOTHER BITE OF THE APPLE. WHEN IT COMES BACK TO US, THEY SAY YOU ARE ALREADY APPROVED IT AND YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING FURTHER. THEY SAY YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO VOTE ON IT AGAIN. WE DON'T TRUST THEM -- AT LEAST I DON'T TRUST THEM BECAUSE THEY HAVE DONE BEFORE AND SAID YOU ALREADY PROVED IT. THE PUBLIC HAS TO HAVE INPUT INTO THE PROCESS AND THE ROUTE. SOUNDED LIKE FROM YOUR STATEMENTS AFTER YOU AND I TALK THAT THE ROUTES ARE ALREADY SET. AND -- AND WE KNOW FROM THE DOCUMENTS IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS SET. YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO HAVE IT OPEN AND ONE TIME YOU HAVE TOLD ME 14, 19, WHATEVER THE ROUTES, WHATEVER THE SOLUTION WE HAVE TO OPEN THAT UP. ALSO, IT -- IN THE PUBLIC OUTREACH, NOT JUST IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE ROUTES AND EVERYTHING YOU HAVE TO TALK OF DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS. HISTORIC HYDE PARK. NOT EVERYBODY SHOWED UP TODAY BECAUSE THEY FIGURED THIS WAS A REGULAR UPDATE. THEY CAN WATCH IT ON TV. BUT THE NEXT TIME WE WILL HAVE A LOT MORE PEOPLE ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT BUSINESSES SAID IF THIS GOES DOWN HOWARD, THEY WILL FILEAL LAWSUIT. IF IT GOES DOWN SWANN, MAY HAVE A LAWSUIT. IF YOU DON'T DO PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WHICH HAS BEEN HORRIBLE FOR DATE, WE WILL DEFINITELY GET LAWSUIT. WHY SHOULD THE COMMUNITY CARE OF A LAWSUIT, BECAUSE IT CAN DELAY IT BY A YEAR OR TWO. IF WE DO PROPER PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. WE CAN PREVENT THIS ON THIS EDGE. I HAVE A MOTION I WILL MAKE LATER ABOUT SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS. BUT I REALLY THINK WHAT YOU THINK MIGHT BE SMALLER THINGS, WE NEED TO PACKAGE IT ALL TOGETHER AND EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC THAT WE ARE DOING THINGS. EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE THAT I HAVE HEARD TODAY THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS ONLY BEEN LOOKING A THE THIS FOR A YEAR OR LESS. THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN AT IT FOR TEN YEARS AND HAVEN'T DELAY IT IS. THEY ARE GOING TO ASK US WHY DIDN'T YOU TOP IS IT FROM HAPPENING. YOU JUST STAYED YOU CAN'T STOP IT. NEXT THREE OR FOUR YEARS, THEY WILL GO THROUGH THE RENOVATION AND MIGHT GET FLOODED. I HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO TRY TO PREVENT THAT. AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR SOLUTION ON THAT. LAST THING IS WE ALL AGREE TO DISAGREE AT TIMES. MY JOB OUTSIDE OF THIS HAS BEEN CONTINUE TO BUILD COMMUNITY IN DIVISIVE ISSUES. THIS IS MORE DIVISIVE THAN TOILET TO TAP. MOST DIVISIVE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE SEEN. I DON'T KNOW WHY. OTHER NEIGHBORHOOD IN SOUTH TAMPA AND OTHER PLACES AND NOT AS DIVISIVE AS THIS. ASK EVERYBODY. OPEN TO MEETING WITH EVERYBODY. I WALKED IN NEIGHBORHOODS AND SAT IN PEOPLE'S HOUSES AND HAPPY TO TALK TO ANYBODY ABOUT ANYTHING. WANT PEOPLE TO BE TAUPE A TRANSPARENT PROCESS THAT ENGAGES THE PUBLIC PROPERLY SO WE CAN GET THE RIGHT SOLUTION. I DO NOT WANT TO LOOK AT THE MAPS AND THESE MAPS MAY NO LONGER BE VALID, BUT I DON'T WANT TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT THIS MAYOR MAY NOT BE HERE WHEN THIS PROJECT IS DONE. UP DON'T WANT TO PROVE SOMETHING WHERE PEOPLE SAY WHY ARE YOU WASTING ALL THIS MONEY AND WE ARE STILL GETTING FLOODED. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MISS HURTAK, I WAS GOING TO SPEAK THE WAY YOU DID AND BRING IT UP. PARKING. A LOT OF PARKING IN DOWNTOWN TAMPA IN THE PARKING SPACE IN EVENINGS. WE HAVE SOME OTHER PLAN TO KEEP THOSE -- KEEP THOSE PARKING SPOTS OPEN AND HAVE A TRANSFER SHUTTLE BETWEEN US AND THEM AND THE -- AND SOLVED FOR MUCH LESS MONEY. IT WILL BE GREAT TO HELP THE PEOPLE WHO HELP US. THAT IS THE BUSINESS. TO CREATE THE TAXES THAT KEEP THE GOVERNMENT RUNNING; HOWEVER, I THINK WE CAN DO THAT IF THE CITY CAN WAIVE THE PARKING FEES AND BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT IT IS DOING TO HELP THE CITY. I THINK THOSE THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. I SAW A BUS THE OTHER DAY BELONGED TO -- I AM NOT GOING TO SAY WHO -- BUT A BRAND-NEW BUS THAT SITS 60 PEOPLE AND OTHER BUSES 12, 15 THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MAY HAVE. YOU CAN BORROW THAT AND 20 OR 30. I AM NOT GOING TO BE THE DRIVER. LET ME GET THAT OUT OF THE WAY. I DON'T DRINK, BUT I ALSO DON'T DRIVE VERY WELL. WHAT I AM SAYING IS WE CAN DO THOSE THINGS, I BELIEVE. AND MAKE IT WORK IF WE WORK TOGETHER WITH THE BUSINESSES AND WITH THE CITY TO SAY, THIS IS 150 SPACES TO ARE WHATEVER YOU HAVE, WE CAN USE THESE AND, YOU KNOW -- I THINK IT COULD WORK. I REALLY DO. I THINK THAT IS JUST PUTTING IT ON THE TABLE. YOU CAN LOOK INTO IT. SPEAKING TO THE YOUNG LADY RUNS THE OPERATION HOW MANY SPACES ARE NEEDED. >>VIK BHIDE: WE ARE OPEN TO ALL KIND OF CREATIVE SOLUTIONS AS IS THE CONTRACTOR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BHIDE ON NOVEMBER 18, YOU HAVE A MULTINEIGHBORHOOD MEETING. IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? >>VIK BHIDE: THAT'S CORRECT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PARKLAND SOUTH, PARKLAND NORTH. >>VIK BHIDE: ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS IN THIS WATER SHED. BAYSHORE BEAUTIFUL. NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHEN AND WHAT TIME IS IT? VICK VICTIM GREAT QUESTION. I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION TO YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING ELSE? SIR? >>VIK BHIDE: BAYSHORE BAPTIST CHURCH. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 6:00 BAYSHORE BAPTIST CHURCH NOVEMBER 18. >>VIK BHIDE: YES, SIR. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. COUPLE OF THINGS VERY BRIEFLY. WE TALKED OF SWANN AND DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. IF WE WERE TO DO IT HERE, WOULD HAVE CHALLENGES OF SWANN AND RIGHT BACK TO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. RIGHT BACK. BECAUSE YOU THINK SWANN WILL GO, OH, BRING IT ON. THAT IS GREAT. NO. YOU WILL STILL HAVE THE SAME CHALLENGES. MY MESSAGE AGAIN THAT MILTON FOR ME CHANGED A LOT OF THINGS IN TERMS OF HOW WE SEE THINGS. IT DID. I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU ALL. CHANGED ME IN TERMS OF THE THINGS I HAVE THAT SEEN. I HAVE BEEN -- WHEN IT COMES TO MY AREA NORTH TAMPA, I HAVE BEEN RELENTLESS IN WORKING WITH PEOPLE OUT THERE, ETC. BECAUSE -- BECAUSE SEEING THINGS -- THINGS I HAVE THAT SEEN HAVE JUST -- CHANGED ME. I DON'T WANT TO -- HAVING SEEN THOSE THINGS PASS BY LIKE THIS TO IMPROVE THINGS IN THE FUTURE. AGAIN, WE GO DOWN SWANN. WE LOOK AT WHATEVER, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE CHALLENGES AND TAKE SOMEBODY OFF. NATURE OF THE BUCK STOPPING RIGHT HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT CONCLUDES THIS PRESENTATION. THANK YOU, MR. BHIDE AND EVERYBODY WHO SPOKE THIS MORNING AND WHO IS WATCHING. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL GO TO ITEM 75. A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. >>LUIS VIERA: I HAVE A QUESTION, IF I MAY. DOES THIS COME BACK TO US IN NOVEMBER? DO WE NEED A MOTION ON IS IT? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT IS ON THE AGENDA. >>LUIS VIERA: GOOD. SO WE DON'T -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES, SIR. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, DAVID INGRAM, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER. WOW, WE MET -- LIKE WE HAD A CONVERSATION LAST WEEK. I AM GLAD IT WAS SO MEMORABLE FOR YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I APOLOGIZE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BEFORE THIS BODY, IT IS GOOD NOT TO BE RECOGNIZED. >> SOME DAYS, UNDER THE RADAR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ASK ABBYE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT IS THE TIE. >> I CAN TAKE IT UP. AN OVERVIEW OF THE ADVERTISING CONTRACT THAT WAS ISSUED LAST MONTH. TO GIVE YOU A QUICK BACKGROUND. AN EXISTING SIGN PACKAGE IN THE BUILDING A LITTLE OVER TEN YEARS. 15 LOCATIONS WITH MONITORS IN IT THAT CAN PUT UP DIGITAL ADVERTISING. LITTLE OLD. LITTLE OUTDATED. WE ALSO HAVE AV PROVIDER ENCORE IS THE ONE THAT MANAGED FOR US. THEIR GOAL IS TO RENT AV EQUIPMENT TO OUR CLIENTS. NOT MANUELING A DIGITAL NETWORK. SHOWN BY THE REVENUES. LESS THAN 5% OF WHAT THEY BRING IN FOR THE OVERALL REVENUE FOR THE YEAR. WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO AFTER TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION, UPGRADE FOR TECHNOLOGY, THE NEED FOR US TO HAVE A PERSON SELLING AND MANAGING THE SIGNAGE TO INCREASE REVENUE AND TO BASICALLY PROVIDE AN UPDATED CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE FOR US AT THE CENTER. WE WANTED TO ISSUE AN RFA IN CAPTURED WHOLE THING. AUGUST OF '23, WE ISSUED OUR RFP. WE HAD THREE BIDS THAT WE RECEIVED. OF THOSE THREE BIDS, ALL QUALIFIED AND MOVED TO THE PROCUREMENT COMMITTEE BACK IN DECEMBER OF 2023. EXPERT DIGITAL IS THE ONE THAT WON ITS AWARD AND BASE AND ON THEIR QUALIFICATIONS, RESPONSIVENESS THEY RECEIVED THE HIGHEST SCORE FROM THE PROCUREMENT THE COMMITTEE. TOURING THAT TIME, NEGOTIATED A CONTRACT THROUGH PURCHASING. LEGAL REVIEW IT AND FINANCE REVIEW IT AS WELL. AND CAME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL BACK IN SEPTEMBER 2024 TO BE APPROVED FOR -- FOR US TO GO AHEAD. IT IS A THREE-YEAR CONTRACT WITH TWO INITIAL OPTIONAL YEARS FOR RENEWAL. LOOKING AT IT THE OVERALL, A TOTAL OF A FIVE-YEAR PROGRAM. AT THE END OF THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER INTO OCTOBER 2024, WE DID START INSTALLATION PROCESS. PHASE ONE, WHICH IS GOING TO BE ALL THE DIGITAL SIGNAGE OVER OUR EXHIBIT MALL WILL BE COMPLETED. AND ACTUALLY I HAVE REALLY GOOD NEWS. THIS IS THE PICTURE OF THE ONE THAT IS CURRENTLY UP AND RUNNING OVER THE WEST AND CENTRAL HALL. OPINION IT IS VERY DYNAMIC. IT HAS A HUGE IMPACT WHEN YOU WALK UP THE STAIRS AND INTO THE UNIT. THE EAST HALL AND WEST HALL WAS COMPLETED. PROGRAMMING WILL BE FINISHING A WEEK, WEEK AND A HALF AND BEFORE THE DEADLINE OF DECEMBER WHICH IS GREAT NEWS FOR US. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WILL THEY BE NEXT WEEK FOR THE NLC? >> PUT ME ON THE SPOT, WOW. >>GWEN HENDERSON: KEEP GOING. >> WE ARE TRYING OUR BEST REALISTICALLY. WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO -- THREE EVENTS ALREADY FUTAG, IMMARE TOLL SEATS AND THE TATTOO SHOW. WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T DIT RUPT THEM. PROGRAM, WE WILL TRY TO DO IT BEHIND THE SCENES AND WITH TECHNOLOGY, WE MAY HAVE TO ADJUST SOME THINGS. FINGERS CROSSED. THE TWO EXTERIOR ONE WILL BE DONE. BUT ONE DEAD CENTER UP AND RUNNING -- UP AND RUNNING SINCE IPEX. YOU HAVE TO COME OUT AND SEE IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL COME OUT. >> GOT IT. TOTAL CHANGE FOR THE FEEL CENTER. A COUPLE OF OBJECTIVES IN THIS CONTRACT. INCREASE THE DIGITAL FOOTPRINT FOR THE CENTER AND SERVICES FOR OUR CLIENTS AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, LOOK AT ADDITIONAL REVENUE SOURCES WE COULD POTENTIAL POTENTIAL A LEGAL GET IN THIS DISPLAY. KEY COMPONENT TO HAVE ONE PERSON DO IT AND ON-SITE DEDICATED TO SELL TO LOCAL BUSINESSES, CLIENTS THAT HAVE ADVERTISING. AND CUSTOMER SERVICE ISSUES, THEY ARE THERE TO TAKE CARE OF IT. THE OTHER PART ON THE SLIDE, PART OF THE CONTRACT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN, OPERATE, REPAIR AND REPLACE THE SIGNAGE. HAVING SOMEBODY ON-SITE ALLOWS THEM TO DO THAT AND TAKES THE BURDEN OFF THE CENTER AND THE CITY AND MAKE SURE IT IS TAKEN CARE OF. A REVENUE SHARE 45% OF THE GROSS SALES OF THE SIGNS COME BACK TO THE CENTER. 20% OF TEMPORARY AND MOBILE AND WANT TO THROW IT IN THERE - FOR TEMPORARY MOBILE. IF YOU HAVE ALL BEEN TOP A CONVENTION BEFORE, LARGE METER BOARD THAT ARE USUALLY PAPER AND TAKE UP A LOT OF THE SPACE. OUR CLIENTS HAVE THE ABILITY TO RENT DIGITAL ONES THAT CAN BE MOVED AROUND AND HAVE THAT SAME INFORMATION. WE WILL GET 25% OF THAT. WE DON'T HAVE A GREAT STRUCTURE FOR -- OR THE PAST HISTORY FOR HAVING -- HAVING DETAILED INFORMATION ON REVENUE. SO WE DID A REALLY UL ULTRACONSERVATIVE PROJECTIONS FOR FIRST THREE YEARS. YEAR ONE 200,000 AND BY THE TIME YEAR THREE, 285,000 THAT WE ARE PROJECTING. VERY CONSERVATIVE. REVENUE SHARE IS $95,000 FOR THE FIRST YEAR AND $128,000 FOR THE YEAR -- FOR YEAR THREE. FOR YEARS FOUR AND FIVE WE DID NOT PROJECT OUT BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A GOOD HISTORY BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. OTHER COMPONENT, AS IT RELATES TO THIS, THIS IS ALL SALES. IF SALES GO UP, REVENUES GO UP, OUR COMMISSION GOES UP. IF THEY GO DOWN, WE ARE STILL GOING DOWN AT THAT POINT IN TIME. THE OTHER KEY COMPONENT FOR THE CONTRACT IS CAPITAL CONTRIBUTIONS. A ONE-TIME CONTRIBUTION FOR CAPITAL BUT MORE TO WERELY, INVEST $1561,000 FOR HARDWARE AND SOFTWARE FOR THE DIGITAL SIGN PACKAGE IN THE CENTER. NICE THING ABOUT THAT. AND I KNOW -- THERE IS AN AD IN HERE BETWEEN 11 TO 15 SIGNS. MINIMUM WE ARE LOOKING TO SPEND FOR THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY. WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO WHEN WE FIND THE BEST LOCATIONS FOR IT, LOCATIONS DAYCARE TAPE SIZE. SIZE STATES COST AND OUT OF THAT $161 THOUSAND IN. BUT NICE THING NOT COMING OUT OF US BUT FROM THE COMPANY AS PART OF THEIR CAPITAL CONTRIBUTION. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, ANNUAL MARKETING FUND THEY ARE FOLLOWING CONTRIBUTE $1,000 ANNUALLY. $10D,000, USE IT WITHIN THE YEAR FOR THE YEAR AND WE CAN'T ROLL IT OVER AND IT HELPS WITH THE MARKETING CAMPAIGN OPINION IF YOU SEE THE OLD SIGN ON THERE. WHAT I REALLY LIKE TO POINT OUT. COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WHEN YOU ARE IN PERSON, BUT THE OLD SIGN IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. THE OLD SIGN IS DIGITAL. TRULY AMAZING. GRAPHICS ON THERE. WE HAVE THE PORT INVASION FOR GASPARILLA AND REALLY DYNAMIC WHEN THEY COME IN. THAT IS MY PRESENTATION. I'M HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL? COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK OPINION. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. JUST -- I -- I AM JUST CURIOUS WHAT YOU PLAN ON DOING WITH THE MONEY YOU GET -- ARE YOU FOLD WILLING THAT BACK? IN DO YOU HAVE A PARTICULAR -- SO -- SO OUR CONTRIBUTIONS -- WHAT IS YOUR PLAN? >> THE REVENUE CONTRIBUTIONS THAT WE ARE GOING TO GET HELPS RUN OUR OPERATING SUBSIDIES. IT DOESN'T COME BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND MAKE IT A ONE FOR ONE EXPENSE. $1,000,000 COMES IN, IT HELPS TO COVER THE EXPENSES FOR THE CENTER COVER EVERYTHING FROM LABOR TO UPDATES TO MAINTENANCE REPAIRS. IT IS ALL ENCOMPASSING. NOT A DEFINED $90,000 GOING RIGHT TO THIS. >>LYNN HURTAK: NOT ANYTHING YOU WANT TO FOCUS ON. THIS IS A GREAT WAY TO PAY FOR -- PAY FOR YOURSELF BASICALLY. >> WE ARE TRYING. >>LYNN HURTAK: VERY COOL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. AND THANK YOU FOR THE TOUR. IT IS ABSOLUTELY STUNNING. IT JUST UPLIFTS THE -- THE CONVENTION MALL. WONDERFULLY AS -- YOU KNOW, AS YOU ENTER INTO THE PARTICULAR CORRIDORS. THE -- THE ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS -- IS THIS THE SAME COMPANY THAT IS GOING TO -- YOU KNOW THE BIG SIGN OUTSIDE THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY BEING USED. >> THE MARQUEE FROM THE CENTER? >>GWEN HENDERSON: THE MARQUEE. IS THIS PART OF THE IMPROVEMENT PROCESS? >> YES AND NO. WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IS BACK IN 2019, THIS BUDGET ALLOW US TO SPEND $175,000 TO RENOVATE THE MARQUEE. AT SOME POINT IN TIME BETWEEN COVID HAPPENING THAT PROJECT GOT SHELVED AND THE PRIORITY BECAME TO HAVE THE EXPANSION COMPLETED .SOAR WHAT GOING TO DO TO TAKE THE $175,000 BUDGETED FOR THE MARQUEE AND MAKE THE INVESTMENT INTO THE MARQUEE. WE ARE GOING TO USE THEIR SOFTWARE TO BE ABLE TO RUN WHAT IS ON THAT SIGNAGE. AND THE SAVING GRACE TO THAT TWO FOLD IS WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY OF A TECHNICIAN COMING OUT TO PUT THAT ON THERE. NUMBER TWO, ALL BASED ON THE CODE, THE CURRENT SIGN CODE IS WRITTEN INTO THE CONTRACT AND WE DON'T HAVE TOY ADJUST EVERYTHING. SAVING GRACE SHOULD THE SIGN CODE CHANGE, WE WILL HAVE TO MEET THE SIGN CODE AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME. IF ANYTHING CHANGES, WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO UPDATE THAT. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MR. JUST SO YOU KNOW, YOU NO LONGER HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHY WE ARE NOT A ENTERPRISE ZONE BUSINESS IN THE CONVENTION CENTER. THEY DID A GOOD JOB OF EXPLAINING THAT TO ME LAST WEEK. YOU ARE OFF THE HOOK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NICE JOB ON IT. OBVIOUSLY THE CONVENTION CENTER HAS THAT DATED 1980s LOOK. THIS IS ONE WAY TO MAKE IT LOOK A LITTLE MORE MODERN AND PIZAZZ TO IT. CONGRATULATIONS AND THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. >>GWEN HENDERSON: ARE YOU CONSIDERING PAINTING OUTSIDE? I AM JUST CURIOUS. >> YOU WILL TAKE ALL MY SURPRISES. YOU WANTED TO DO THIS PERIODICALLY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE WILL TAKE UP THAT ON ANOTHER DAY. >> JUST A QUICK PIECE. WE DID -- WE ARE GOING TO DO THE -- SORRY, THE CAMPUS ASSESSMENT FOR EXTERNAL AND INTERIOR. PART IS PRICE. NOT JUST PAINT, STICK PAINT CONTINUE TO, A PRODUCT FROM THE RIVERWALK THAT SEALS THE CONCRETE AND MAKES IT SMOOTH AND HAVE AT THAT BETTER COLOR TO IT. I AM NOT SURE THE PINK OR WHATEVER COLOR YOU CALL IT IS THERE, BUT THAT IS THE INTENT TOP GET RID OF IT. TO PUNT THIS IN THE OVERALL CIP MASTER PLAN INSTEAD OF DOING ONE-OFFS HERE AND THERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GOOD THING NOT '70s, AVOCADO GREEN. IT WAS '70s, IT WOULD BE COMING BACK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU FOR OUR BUDGET ANALYST FOR ENGAGING. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, COUNCIL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THOUGHT YOU WERE STALKING HIM. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I WANTED TO GET ON CAMERA, DENNIS ROGERO, STEVE FINANCIAL OFFICER. MY THANK YOU TO THE CONVENTION CENTER OF PROACTIVE SEEKING OF ADDITIONAL REVENUE AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING COUNCIL ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. SUPPLEMENTAL FINANCE THAT MISS COPESKY AND I HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING. AND THIS IS PARTICULARLY RELEVANT IN THIS CASE AND OTHER CASES IN THE CITY. AND THOSE ARE THE LIMITS WE HAVE ON ENJOYING REVENUE SHARING FOR FOR OUR ASSETS. THE PRIVATE ACTIVITY TEST AND TRIGGERED BY DIFFERENT COMPONENTS. FIRST COMPONENT IS A PUBLIC FACILITY. A CONVENTION CENTER IS A PUBLIC FAC FACILITY. SECOND YOU USE TAX EX-EXEMPT DEBT TO EXPAND THAT ASSET IN SOME WAY FOR THAT ASSET. IF I COULD HAVE THE ELMO UP, PLEASE. LET ME KNOW IF YOU WOULD -- LET ME KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THERE IT IS. CAN YOU SEE THAT OKAY, COUNCIL. HERE IS THE SECOND TRIGGER. HAVE YOU ENJOYED TAX EX- EXEMPT FINANCING ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ASSET, AND WE HAVE. HERE IS THE CURRENT STATE. NEARLY $45 MILLION. I WILL NOTE AND OVER ON THE RIGHT. THE BALANCE IS ZERO. WE OBLIGATED THE FUNDING IN ITS ENTIRELY BUT WE ARE STILL MAKING THOSE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS AND THIS IS WHAT THIS IJS ON THE PUBLIC ACCESS AND THE THIRD COMPONENT AND THAT IS SEVERELY RESTRICT CAN HOW MUCH WE CAN ENJOY THE PRIVATE BUSINESS. THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THAT'S REVENUE SHARING. I WILL LOOK TO THE ELMO AGAIN. A COVER PAGE TO THE GOVERNMENT FINANCIAL ASSOCIATION PRIMER ON TAX EXEMPT DEBT. DEVELOPING AND POLICEMENING PROCEDURES FOR POST ISSUANCE, ETC., ETC. IT IS AS RIVETING AS IT LOOKS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT WAS A VERY GUIDO JOKE. >>DENNIS ROGERO: TAKING LESSONS, TAKING LESSONS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I DIDN'T GET IT. [LAUGHTER] JUST SAYING. >>DENNIS ROGERO: SPOILER ALERT. IT IS NOT RIVETING. NOT RIVETING AT ALL. WHAT IT BOILING DOWN TO, NO MORE THAN 10% ARISING FROM OR RELATING TO PRIVATE BUSINESS USE. AND THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE PRIVATE BUSINESS USE IS THE REVENUE SHARING. SO -- AND A LITTLE BIT -- A LITTLE BIT OF BEHIND THE SCENES WHAT WE DO IN FINANCE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY, AS AN ENTITY, IS ON THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW. IF YOU EXCEED THE 10% THRESHOLD, THE BONDS LOSE THE TAX EXEMPT. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT YOU NOT HAPPEN PAUSE IT IS VERY, VERY VALUABLE TO US. AND VERY VALUABLE TO OUR INVESTORS. LITTLE MORE TRIVIA. WHY DOES THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DO THIS? BECAUSE IN THE ABSENCE OF THE RESTRICTIONS YOU CAN ISSUE TAX EXEMPT DEBT AND CONSTRUCT PRIVATE SECTOR BUSINESSES AND REAP THE PROFITS. EXACTLY WHICH I WOULD LOVE FROM A REVENUE PRODUCING PERSPECTIVE, BUT THAT IS BASICALLY PUTTING THE THUMB A LITTLE TOO HEAVY ON ITS SCALE FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE THEY LIVE US THIS TAX EXEMPT BENEFIT UNDER THE PROMISE THAT WE ARE GOING TO USE IT FOR PRIMARILY PUBLIC PURPOSE. AND THAT IS WHAT I AM -- THAT IS WHAT I AM TRYING TO INTERSECT HERE. SO EVERY YEAR, WE RUN THE NUMBERS, WE COMPLICATE THE INFORMATION, WE REVIEW THE INFORMATION. NOT JUST MY SHOP, BUT OUR FINANCIAL ADVISORS, OUR BOND COUNSEL, FEDERAL EXPERTS SO WE DON'T MEET OR EXCEED THAT TEST. WE CAN OWNED MAKE SO MUCH MONEY -- AND AGAIN, THAT IS WHY I PARTICULARLY COMPLIMENT THE CONVENTION CENTER FOR CONTINUING PRO ACTIVITY ON THIS BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS IN BALANCE BECAUSE OF THAT TAX EXEMPT DEBT. BEHIND THE SCENES INFORMATION AS WE -- AS WE CONTINUE TO TRY TO EXPAND COUNCIL AND PUBLIC'S EDUCATION ON PUBLIC FINANCE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EVER A SITUATION WHERE THE CITY ISSUES NONTAX EXEMPT DEBT. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YOU MEAN TAXABLE DEBT? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TAXABLE DEBT. >>DENNIS ROGERO: CERTAIN SITUATIONS. WE ISSUED SOME IN THE PAST AND PARTICULAR CRY TER Y-- CRITERIA THE TAX DEBT AND IT IS INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING LARGE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS THROUGHOUT -- THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. AND IF WE FOUND THAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES WERE MORE ADVANTAGEOUS FROM A FINDING PERSPECTIVE TO ISSUE TAXABLE VERSUS TAX EXEMPT, WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND DO THAT AND TYPICALLY GRAVITATE TO THE TAX EXEMPT FOR THE BENEFITS THAT WE GET FROM IT. >> I MAKE AN ASSUMPTION THAT DURING THE LINE OF BUSINESS THAT WE HAVE, THAT THERE IS SOME DEBT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS AND NEVER AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXCEED THESE LIMITATIONS WITH THESE RULES? >>DENNIS ROGERO: KIND OF EBBS AND FLOWS. FOR INSTANCE, WE WILL HAVE AN ASSET WITH TAX EXEMPT AND WE PAY IT OFF AT WHICH CASE THIS RESTRICTION GOES AWAY. UNTIL OR IF WE DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH THIS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, ALL. THANK YOU, MA'AM. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FEEL KNEEL IS UP WITH ITEM NUMBER 76. YES, MA'AM. >>ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. ABBYE FEELEY. AN UPDATE WHERE WE ARE IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE PROCESS. WE ARE IN THE ASSESSMENT PHASE. YOU MAY REMEMBER WE HAD A PUBLIC KICKOFF SEPTEMBER 16. AT THAT KICKOFF, WE HAD 80 PEOPLE ONLINE AND CLOSE TO 90 PEOPLE IN PERSON. SO WE HAD A GREAT TURNOUT FOR THAT MEETING. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE POSTED AN ONLINE SURVEY LEADING UP TO THE KICKOFF AND CEMENT THAT OPEN AFTER THE IT CANNOFF ON OCTOBER 1. WE HAD CLOSE 500 RESPONSES TO OUR ONLINE SURVEY WHICH WAS REALLY AWESOME. THE CONSULTANT IS CURRENTLY WORKING ON THE ASSESSMENT PORTION IN THE TIMELINE THAT COMES BEFORE WE GET THE FIRST DRAFT OF THE CODE. IN OUR ASSESSMENT THEY TELL US WHAT IS UPDATED AND PROPOSE HOW THEY ARE GOING TO REORGANIZE IT AND SOME OF THE PROPOSED THINGS THAT WOULD BE IN IT. THAT IS -- WITH STAFF RIGHT NOW AND WE ARE REVIEWING THAT. AND IT IS -- IT IS FIVE CHAPTER DOCUMENT. ONCE WE PROVIDE OUR COMMENTS BACK, THAT WILL THEN GO TO THE ADVISORY TEAM THAT WE HAVE. REMEMBER THE ADVISORY TEAM IS MADE UP OF TWO MEMBERS FROM T.H.A.N. AN A TENT, A LANDSCAPER, A NATURAL RESOURCES WESTERN, WE HAVE NAIP, NTVA, LAND USE ATTORNEY. A 12-MEMBER TEAM THAT WE ARE ALSO USING TO PROVIDE ANOTHER LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY AND INVOLVEMENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS. WITH THIS BEING SAID, LOOKING TO HAVE OUR NEXT PUBLIC MEETING AND HAVE THE ASSESSMENT PRESENTED AND FEEDBACK TAKEN BY THE PUBLIC LAST WEEK OF JANUARY. THAT TUESDAY NIGHT THAT YOU HAVE NOW SET THE BAYSHORE REZONING HEARING FOR. SO I AM GOING TO MOVE THE PUBLIC MEETING OUT TO FEBRUARY 4. I WOULD REQUEST OF COUNCIL -- WHAT I WAS THINKING THAT WE DID IT THAT WEEK OF JANUARY. YOU HAD A WORKSHOP THAT WEEK AND HELPING TO HAVE THE CONSULTANT COME AND MAKE A PRESENTATION TO YOU AT THE WORKSHOP TO SHOW YOU WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS. SHARE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION YOU WITH INSTEAD OF JUST THE NOTALLY UPDATES I AM PROVIDED TO YOU. SO I WOULD ASK IF POTENTIALLY FEBRUARY 6, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS A REGULAR MEETING, BUT IF WE CAN HAVE 10 TO 15 MINUTES FOR A PRESENTATION JUST SO THAT -- AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER ME TODAY. YOU CAN ANSWER ME NEXT MONTH OR WHATEVER. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO START TO GET THAT TEED UP, BECAUSE WE DO REALLY TRY TO MARKET THESE MEETINGS, PROVIDE INFORMATION ABOUT THEM. PUT A SURVEY INSTRUMENT UP. GET FEEDBACK AND CONTINUE TO BE ENGAGED WITH THE PUBLIC ON THIS PROCESS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, CLENDENIN -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DEFER TO COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: MISS FEELEY TALKED TO ME ABOUT THIS. THIS IS IT MY MOTION TO HAVE HER COME THE FIRST WEEK OF EVERY MONTH. THAT HAPPENS TO BE -- FEBRUARY 6 IS WHEN SHE IS ALREADY COMING TO APPEAR, BUT WE ARE GOING TO EXPECT A LONGER PRESENTATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IS FINE. THAT WORKS. MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN FOLLOW UP ON THAT, RATHER THAN JUST SAY A DISCUSSION OF THIS TO GO TEN MEMBERS. MAYBE MY SUGGESTION WOULD TO BE LIMIT STAFF REPORTS TO WHAT EXISTS TODAY AND NOT ADD TO THE FEBRUARY 6 STAFF REPORTS. >>LYNN HURTAK: A VERY LIGHT AGENDA. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I WILL MAKE NOTE OF IT AND SHOW UP -- IT IS MR. THERE AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ADD NICK TO IT. OR AMEND SOMETHING THAT HAS A CONSULTANT, YOU HAVE ABOUT I THINK WE SHOULD REMAIN MINDFUL AS WE APPROACH THAT WE KEEP THAT SO WE DON'T RUN OUT OF TIME. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHY DON'T WE JUST LIMIT IT TO FIVE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: VERY GOOD, FEBRUARY 6. COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MISS FEELEY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR BRIEFING. THERE IS A LOT OF MISINFORMATION OUT THERE ABOUT -- ABOUT THE LENGTH OF TIME THIS IS GOING TO TAKE THE CITY TO ACCOMPLISH THIS TASK. I TRIED TO CLEAR THE PORTFOLIO FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE LISTENING. I WON'T HOLD IT TO US FOR THOSE WHO DON'T MAKE THE DEADLINE. MAKE A GUESSTIMATE HOW MUCH WE WILL HAVE A PROCESS TO COMPLETE THE PROCESS. >>ABBYE FEELEY: I HAVE A SCHEDULE AND IT IS IN THE AGREEMENT WITH THE CONSULTANT, AND I DON'T HAVE THAT WITH ME TODAY AND MY BRAIN -- I -- I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE WILL NOT HERE IN THEN YEARS CORNELIUS CAN I BRING THAT SCHEDULE BACK TO YOU BEN I COME DECEMBER 5st? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ABSOLUTELY. >>ABBYE FEELEY: ON THAT FEBRUARY 6, I AM TRYING TO BE EXTREMELY MINDFUL OF THE BUDGET WITH THE CONSULTANT. THEY WILL DO THAT TUESDAY NIGHT MEETING. WEDNESDAY WE WILL DO WORK AND THURSDAY MORNING WE WILL PRESENT TO YOU, AND I WILL HAVE HIM HERE. WILL IT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE A TIME CERTAIN SO THEY CAN MAKE ARRANGEMENTS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY CHARGE BY THE HOUR. >>LYNN HURTAK: DO A TIME CERTAIN DIRECTLY OF A PUBLIC COMMENT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WILL IT BE -- >>LYNN HURTAK: POINT IS TO HAVE THEM IN THE MORNING SO THEY CAN LEAVE. >>ABBYE FEELEY: SO THEY THINK GO BACK TO NORTH CAROLINA. >>LYNN HURTAK: POLICE OFFICER OF THE MONTH. ATU MEMBER OF THE MONTH. AROUND 11:00 -- SO -- I WILL MAKE THE MOTION -- I MOTION THAT WE HAVE THE -- THE PRESENTATION -- A TIME CERTAIN RIGHT AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT. >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO TALK OF THE DATE, BUT I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. WE ARE TAKING IT OFF OF THE JANUARY WORKSHOP. >>ABBYE FEELEY: I NEVER GOT TO PUT IT ON THERE. THAT WAS MY GOAL COMING TODAY. AND I THINK LAST -- LAST MEETING WAS WHEN YOU WERE WORKING WITH MISS -- I WANTED TO SAY -- MISS WELLS TO GET THAT BAYSHORE HEARING SET. I WAS TEEING UP IN MY MIND MY SCHEDULE AND GETTING TOGETHER WITH THE CONSULTANT THAT HAPPENED. AND I NEVER HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK AND APPRECIATE YOUR FLEXIBILITY TODAY. >>LYNN HURTAK: ONLY ADDITIONAL THING. I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO HAVE A COPY OF THE CONSULTANTS REPORT BEFORE -- AT THE SAME TIME THAT THE CITY RECEIVES THEM. IS THERE A WAY WE CAN ALL GET THE E-MAILS OF THE ACTUAL REPORT. WHATEVER IT IS. UP SAID IT IS IN -- I FORGET WHAT YOU CALLED IT. A -- A SITUATION -- A SITUATION REPORT? WHAT -- >>ABBYE FEELEY: THEY ARE DOING THE ASSESSMENT. >>LYNN HURTAK: IF WE CAN GET THAT THE SAME TIME THAT EVERYBODY ELSE DOES SO WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHAT THE CONSULTANTS HAVE TO SAY AS WELL, I WOULD APPRECIATE DWLAEPT. >> Y-- APPRECIATE THAT. >>ABBYE FEELEY: A FIVE-CHAPTER DOCUMENT. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT CHAPTER BY CHAPTER BECAUSE WE HAVE WEEKS TO GET THEM BACK COMMENTS. WHEN I PRINT IT BACK TO THEM, IF THERE WERE TYPOS, THOSE ARE GOING BACK. UP DON'T WANT A PREMATURE VERSION. A VERSION THAT GOES TO THE PUBLIC, IS THAT OKAY? >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE CONSULTANT HAS TO SAY. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE CONSULTANT SAYS. AND WE WILL GET TO SEE A SECOND VERSION OF WHEN IT GOES TO THE PUBLIC. I WANT TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT THE CONSULTANT HAPPENS TO SAY. I DON'T CARE ABOUT TYPOS AND ALL THAT -- OBVIOUSLY A LAND USE PERSON. IT IS A PASSION OF MINE. I WANT TO SEE EXACTLY -- >>ABBYE FEELEY: WILL YOU BE REVIEWING THAT AND PROVIDING COMMENTS? >>LYNN HURTAK: NO. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IT SAYS. THAT IS MY ONLY INTEREST TO BE ABLE TO READ THROUGH IT. >>ABBYE FEELEY: OKAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, 77. COUNCILMAN VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR. THIS WILL BE A LOT SHORTER, I THINK THAN WHAT I ANTICIPATED. LONG STORY SHORT, COUNCIL. A LOT OF THINGS DEVELOPING ON THIS ISSUE OBVIOUSLY. THE COUNTY COMMISSION EXPRESSED INTEREST GIVEN THE MANY ISSUES THAT HAPPENED IN EAST COUNTY, GIVEN THE MANY ISSUES HAPPENED IN TOWN AND COUNTRY. COUNTY COMMISSIONER PAT KEMP, I BELIEVE IT WAS, MOTIONED TO HAVE PARTS OF NORTH TAMPA INCLUDING IN THEIR ASSESSMENT. I HAD MET WITH COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR VAUGHN WISE. I SPOKEN WITH MR. BHIDE AND ANDREA ZELMAN AND OTHER FOLKS HAVE INDEPENDENT INQUIRY, AND AGAIN THE FACT THAT THE COUNTY WILL BE BRIEFED NEXT WEDNESDAY ON THURSDAY, HE WILL NEED MORE TIME FOR THAT. SO YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW THE COUNTY COMMISSION ON NOVEMBER 13 BEING BRIEFED. THEY ARE INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY COUNTYWIDE STORMWATER INVESTIGATIVE REVIEW POST MELTON AT THAT MEETING AND WHAT THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO DO AND ALL OPTIONS ON THE TABLE OF HAVING TEMPLE TERRACE, PLANT CTY BEING A PART OF THAT. NUMBER OF ISSUES, NUMBER ONE, IT WILL COST A LOT OF MONEY A LOT OF MONEY TO DO IT AND WE NEED TO GO THROUGH IT NO MATTER WHAT IN MY OPINION. AND THE ACCOUNT APPEARS TO BE -- AGAIN, MEETING NEXT WEDNESDAY, SUPPORTIVE OF INCLUDING THE CITY OF TAMPA IN THAT. RATIONALE -- COUNCIL CAN DISCUSS THAT ON THE 1s[L]T. NUMBER ONE, THAT WATER DOES NOT STOP ON THE LINE. A LOT OF AREAS LIKE FOREST HILLS WITH A LOT OF COUNTY AND CITY. UNIVERSITY AREA, DIFFERENT PARTS ALONG NORTH TAMPA AND I AM SURE OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY. YOU HAVE PUMP THAT ARE CO ADMINISTERED THAT DEAL WITH CITY AREA. THE PUMP CHALLENGE THAT HAPPENS WITH FOWLER WAS WITH A COUNTY PUMP. A LOT OF INTERMINGLING ISSUE THERE IS. SO THE COUNTY MASS AGREED TO ALONG WITH WHAT I WILL BE PRESENTING TO PRESENT TO CITY COUNCIL ON THEIR IDEAS TO MOVE FORWARDWATCH WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND THEY ARE OPEN ON NOVEMBER 1. SO THAT IS WHAT I AM SUGGESTING THAT WE DO. WE HAVE TO ITEMS THAT DAY THAT I CAN MOVE FOR THAT TO MAKE ROOM ON THE CALENDAR. I CAN MOVE THEM ON JANUARY, FEBRUARY, WHATEVER IT MAY BE TO MAKE ROOM ON THE CALENDAR. OBVIOUS LEAVE PEOPLE IS ALWAYS IN MY DISTRICT -- HOMES HAVE BEEN DESTROYED. AND THE TOP THING THEY WANT TO KNOW, WHAT DID WE DO RIGHT? WHAT DID WE DO POTENTIALLY NOT RIGHT? AND FORWARD AND MAKING SURE IT WE HAVE THINGS RIGHT GOING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE AND FOR ME. THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. THIS IS A LONG PROCESS, BUT I WANT THE PROCESS TO GET STARTED AND ASKED FOR NOVEMBER 1. WE CAN HAVE IT SAT A TIME CERTAIN. WHATEVER IT MAY BE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY TODAY, AGAIN THE FACT THAT THE COUNTY IS DOING THEIR THING AND PRESENTING IT NEXT WEDNESDAY, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATIONING TO BE ABLE TO GO FORWARD WITH ANY SUGGESTION. THAT IS OUR ASK TO HAVE IT MOVED TO THE 21st. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA, NEXT THURSDAY WE HAVE A NIGHT MEETING. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AFTER THEIR WEDNESDAY MEETING. PERHAPS GET CLARIFICATION AND TIME CERTAIN. >>LUIS VIERA: ABSOLUTELY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU HAVE WORKED TIRELESSLY IN YOUR DISTRICT WITH THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN AFFECTED. I HAVE BEEN OUT THERE. FOREST HILLS. UP MEAN -- A YOU WILL YOUR WORK IS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED A US A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE IN A LOT OF PANE. YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: UNDER NEW BUSINESS, I AM GOING TO BE TALKING OF THE SWAT ANALYSIS THAT I AM ASKING FOR FROM THE CITY. AND I'M GOING TO BE ASKING THAT COMES UP US TO ON DECEMBER 5, WHICH IS JUST AFTER THAT. DO YOU NOT SEE THAT SOMEHOW WORKING SNOTHS OR -- >> WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSE SOMETHING DONE BY CITY STAFF, CORRECT? >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: I WANT SOMETHING FROM OUTSIDE STAFF. NOTHING AGAINST CITY STAFF, BUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS WITH DISCUSSIONS HAVING PUBLICLY, I WANT TAMPA OUTSIDE CITY STAFF. OBVIOUSLY AVENUE GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH CITY STAFF, GIVEN THIS LOSS, I NEED INDEPEN OUTSIDE CONSULTANT. YOURS WILL BE INTERNAL. TOTALLY SUPPORT IT BUT I NEED SOMETHING OUTSIDE GIVEN THE DEVASTATION. >>LYNN HURTAK: KNOWING THAT EXTERNAL REPORT IS USE SOME OF OUR INTERNAL -- >>LUIS VIERA: ABSOLUTELY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DOES THAT CONCLUDES. >>LUIS VIERA: MAY I MAKE THE MOTION. MIGHT AS WELL. I AM REQUESTING STAFF FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY PROVIDE -- NOW -- CAN THIS BE -- CAN WE DO IT -- AGAIN, WE WAIVED THE RULES FOR THIS BECAUSE IT WAS MAXED OUT. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT TIME IS OF THE ASH SENSE. I CAN DO IT UNDER STAFF REPORTS AND HAVE IT AT A TIME CERTAIN OR UNDER CEREMONIAL. WE HAVE A COMMENDATION THAT WILL FAKE FIVE MINUTES. WHATEVER COUNCIL WANTS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, COUNCILMAN VIERA, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT MY UNDERSTAND SOMETHING THAT IT IS REALLY GOING TO BE WHEN THEY COME ON THE 21st. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE COUNTY STAFF APPEAR AND PRIMARILY INFORMATIONAL. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: BUT WILL NOT BE A LONG DISCUSSION, QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS WITH CITY COUNCIL? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I DON'T THINK SO. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF INPUT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEY SHOW UP EARLIER RATHER THAN LATER. >>LUIS VIERA: WITH A TIME. >>LYNN HURTAK: BEFORE THAT, YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO MOVE -- >>LUIS VIERA: YES, MA'AM. YOU HAVE MY WORD OF HONOR. IF YOU LOOK AT NOVEMBER 21, THERE WAS SOMETHING THERE ON MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY. AND -- YEP, MEMORIAL PARK CEMETERY AND OAK LAWN. I WAS GOING TO MOVE THOSE WHEN IT COMES TIME FOR -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION SIR? >>LUIS VIERA: ASKING THAT STAFF FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND MY SELF PRESENT IN THE NOVEMBER 21 MEETING WITH A REVIEW OF THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, AND I REQUEST THAT BE HEARD AT A TIME CERTAIN BUT KEPT TO TEN MINUTES. >>GWEN HENDERSON: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA AND SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOVEMBER 21. WOULD YOU PREFER THAT TO BE THE FIRST PRESENTATION UNDER PRESENTATIONS AT 9 A.M.? >>LUIS VIERA: WE CAN WORK WITH THE COUNTY ON THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS FIRST, SECOND AND THIRD. I WILL HAVE TO CHECK WITH BRANDON ON THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. THAT CONCLUDES THE AGENDA. I WILL HAND THE GAVEL OVER TO THE CHAIR PRO TEM IF I BELIEVE MAKE SOME NEW BUSINESS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DON'T MAKE ME USE IT. CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOU ARE SO GRACIOUS. I HAVE A COUPLE OF MOTIONS TO MAKE. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PREN A COMMENDATION TO JACOB BUCKMAN, ALSO KNOWN AS BOOKIE BUCKMAN AS TEN YEARS OF SERVICE AS CODE ENFORCEMENT MAGISTRATE. THIS WILL BE PRESENTED OFFSITE AT A FUTURE DATE TO BE DETERMINED ARE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO AND SECOND -- -- A SECOND -- EXCUSE ME, YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER. A SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, AYE. OPPOSED NAY. AYES HAVE IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PRESENT A COMMENDATION OFFSITE AT THE WEST TAMPA ABARDS TO THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE. SANDY SANCHEZ, WHO IS WEST TAMPA'S WOMAN OF THE YEAR. AND ALSO A GOOD FRIEND OF MANY HERE. LEE ALVAREZ, WEST TAMPA MAN OF THE YEAR. ANOTHER GOOD FRIEND AND GREAT COMMUNITY ASSET. AND BOB GARCIA, WHO WILL BE RECEIVING THE GEORGE GUIDO MEMORIAL RECIPIENT. I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED FOR A LONG TIME. ALL THREE ARE WONDERFUL AND WELL DESE DESERVING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO. SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. AYES HAVE IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CITY COUNCIL RENOVATIONS. I MENTIONED THIS A LITTLE WHILE AGO OF THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY WANTED TO SPEND AND MOVING THE CHAMBERS. EVERYBODY HAD UNTIL THE END OF OCTOBER TO TALK TO ADRE COLINA INVOLVING THIS PRODUCT. DUE TO OTHER PRESSING MATTERS WE ARE DEALING WITH IN THE CITY, ESPECIALLY THE PAST TWO HURRICANES, I AM SUGGESTING TABLE IT UNTIL FEBRUARY OF NEXT YEAR. I WILL SET A DATE TO BRING IT BACK. NOTHING HAPPENING. IN THE MEAN TIME, IF YOU HAVEN'T MET WITHER HAD. A LOT OF MONEY AND BIG CHANGES. THEY WANT TO MOVE THE CHAMBERS DOWNSTAIRS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I ALREADY MADE MY COMMENTS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WILL BRING THIS UP IN FEBRUARY. NO MOTION. JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VERY GOOD. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BACK. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUNCILMAN VIERA, ANYTHING ELSE? >>LUIS VIERA: YES, A FEW. FIRST OFF, LET ME MOVE ON NOVEMBER 21, I ASKED STAFF TO REPORT WITH A PLAN OF ACTION FOR KEEPING LOCAL CEMETERIES CLEAN, WELL THE FOWLER VISION PLAN. AND I APOLOGIZE, I GOT TO LOOK FOR THE DATE. HOW ABOUT 23rd -- JANUARY 23rd. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE CAN HAVE AS MANY AS WE WANT. >>LUIS VIERA: HE WILL DO THE MEMORIAL AND LOOK FOR SOMETHING ELSE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE ONE ABOVE IT IS YOURS. POLO OCCASION OF THE FIRE SUPPLY FACILITY. >>LUIS VIERA: SO I WILL MOVE THAT. BUT LET ME TALK TO CHIEF TRIPP. SOME, YEAH, DOWNPAYMENT ON THAT ONE. BUT -- BUT WITH THIS ONE WITH MEMORIAL PARK TIM CEMETERY, LET ME DO IT FOR -- DARN IT. 6. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED? >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR. Y'ALL HAD GOTTEN A MEMO FROM THIS. MANY OF Y'ALL -- ALL OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE LAKE HARRISON BOONSTOPPLE KILLED YBOR CITY ON OCTOBER 29, IF I RECALL THE DATE, OF 2023. I COMPLIED WITH THE APPLICABLE ORDINANCE WITH REGARDS TO DISCLOSING HIS NAME, HIS BACKGROUND. WE HAVE STATEMENT, LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM TOM PEPIN, STATE SENATOR, FORMER STATE SENATE PRESIDENT TOM LEE, NUMEROUS DISABILITY ACTIVISTS, CLAY, GUTMAN, ETC., TO RENAME THE ALL ABILITIES AFTER THE LATE HARRISON BOONSTOPPLE. STRONG SUPPORT FROM HIS FAMILY. I CAME INTO CONTACT, I GUESS IF YOU WILL, WITH THE FAMILY. THE LATE HARRISON WAS A STUDENT AT PEPIN ACADEMY AND I SPOKE AT HIS GRADUATION WELL BEFORE HIS PASSING. THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY IN SUPPORT OF IT. HE WAS JUST -- YOU SAW THE LETTER AN AMAZING YOUNG MAN ON FOUGHT FOR EVERY INCH OF THE PLAYING FIELD IN LIFE AND PEPIN ACADEMY GRADUATE. IF I MAY COME BACK MARCH 27, 2025. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU, SIR. >>LUIS VIERA: QUICKLY, IF I MAY, TWO QUICK THINGS. MR. BHIDE TALKED OF A MOTION I DID ON THE PUMP GENERATORS. AND I CAN'T FIND IT ON STAFF TAMPA MAYBE I DIDN'T -- YEAH MAYBE I DIDN'T DO IT PROPERLY. I DON'T KNOW. BUT -- SO LET ME REMAKE -- LET ME MAKE THE MOTION. FINALIZE IT. GOD ONLY KNOWS. SO I HAD -- I HAD WANTED TO DO A MOTION. MAYOR CASTOR HAS TALKED ABOUT FUNDING BACK-UP GENERATORS. I THINK THE NUMBER THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS $4 MILLION FOR THIS. SO I WANT A MOTION TO HAVE CITY STAFF COME FORWARD WITH A PLAN OF ACTION ON BACK-UP PUMP GENERATORS INCLUDING FUNDING AND OTHER -- AND I KNOW COUNCILMAN CARLSON MAKE IT ON SOUTH TAMPA I AM TALKING OF NORTH TAMPA, SHORT TERM SOLUTIONS. SO MY MOTION IS FOR BACK-UP PUMP GENERATORS AS WELL AS SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS FOR THE CHALLENGES IN -- IN NORTH TAMPA. AND IF I MAY, I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE ON -- ON -- LET'S DO FEBRUARY SIX, PLEASE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: IT IS FULL NOW. >>LUIS VIERA: IT IS? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TO WE HAVE A SECOND. SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE A QUESTION. WASN'T THIS PART -- IT WASN'T PART OF THE DISCUSSION ON THE SWAT ANALYSIS? >>LUIS VIERA: WAS IT? WHEN IS THAT COMING BACK? >>LYNN HURTAK: THE 5th. NOT PART OF MY MOTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THOUGHT IT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION, BUT I DID NOT SPECIFY IT IN THE MOTION. I DON'T BELIEVE IT WILL COME BACK WITH THE DETAILS OF THE MONEY. THE SWAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE QUICK -- >>LUIS VIERA: WHEN IS THAT SWAT REPORT COUNCILWOMAN? >>LYNN HURTAK: THE 5th OF DECEMBER. >>LUIS VIERA: GUESS WHAT, IF WE DEAL WITH IT THEN, I WILL WITHDRAW IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CLENDENIN AS FAR AS LIKE FAIL TOURS AND OPPORTUNITIES. >>LUIS VIERA: YOU HAUL MY WORD. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO MENTION NOT COMING TO US ON COUNCIL, BUT COMING TO US ON E-MAIL FORM. NOT PART OF COUNCIL. >>LUIS VIERA: ABSOLUTELY. >>Caroline: I THINK A SPECIFIC ISSUE ON THE GENERATORS. MOST OF THE PLACES IN SOUTH TAMPA HAVE OTHER PROBLEMS BUT A SPECIFIC ISSUE ON THE GENERATESERS. PAUSE THAT IS A SEPARATE BUDGET ITEM. AND WE ALREADY KNOW THAT IS AN ISSUE. IT IS WORTH HAVING THAT SEPARATELY ON THE AGENDA. MY MOTION I WAS GOING TO MAKE TO HAVE THE STAFF GIVE US -- HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT SHORT TERM SOLUTIONS OVERALL. BECAUSE WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW THIS DO THAT. THIS IS AA SPECIFIC THING. >>LUIS VIERA: SMIENL FOR BACK-UP AGAIN REAL ISSUES. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MANISCALCO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. WHAT DATE, FEBRUARY -- >>LUIS VIERA: FEBRUARY 5 OR 6th. >>BILL CARLSON: MY ONLY SUGGESTION. NOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES. THE GENERATOR ARE A CITYWIDE THING AND SHOULD BE SEPARATELY IN CASE THEY THROAT DIFFERENTLY. >>LUIS VIERA: ABSOLUTELY. MY MOTION IS TWO TIERED. NORTH TAMPA FLOODING ISSUES. BACK-UP GENERATORS CITY WIDE WILL BE $4 MILLION. THEY, MY INTENT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, OPPOSED. ANYTHING ELSE. >>LUIS VIERA: A REPORT FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. I MENTIONED AND I COULD COULDN'T GENT A SECOND TO HAVE FUNDS FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA TO HELP PEOPLE SHORT TERM, BECAUSE FEMA, TO ME, IS LIKE SOCIAL SECURITY. IF YOU WANT A SUIT, THE SUIT, TIE, BELT. YOU GOT TO GET THE REST. AND I STILL SUPPORT THAT. AND I WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THAT. BUT AS A COMPROMISE, I WANT THE STAFF REPORT TO US IN A WRITTEN REPORT ON WHAT FEMA MONIES CAN -- IF THERE ARE FEMA MONEYS THAT THE CITY CAN GET AS A PASS THROUGH TO THE CITY TO HELP PEOPLE WITH THESE GAPS THAT PEOPLE ARE EXPERIENCING GUYS, I AM TALKING TO PEOPLE EVERY DAY HAVING TO SELL THEIR HOMES TO VULTURES AND WHO ARE GOING HUNGRY. IT'S -- IT'S TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE. SO LOOK AT THAT AS A WRITTEN REPORT. THE NEXT AVAILABLE CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT WE HAVE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO A NOVEMBER 21. >>LYNN HURTAK: 1st IS NOT ENOUGH TIME BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE TO GET THE REPORT IN TOMORROW. >>LUIS VIERA: DECEMBER 5. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? >>BILL CARLSON: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN CARLSON. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I MAKE ONE COMMENT ABOUT THAT. LIKE YOU ALL, I AM DEALING WITH HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE A DAY. AND -- AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE FRUSTRATED ABOUT FEMA. THE -- KATHY CASTOR'S OFFICE AS FINAL RESORT AGREED TO LOOK AT IT AND TRY TO HIM THEM. THE VERY DIFFICULT ONES REJECTED OVER AND OVER. HR OFFICE HAS BEEN HELPING. YOU MAY KNOW HER AND TALK ABOUT THEM ABOUT THAT. BECAUSE THEY HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO FEMA, THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO HELP. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I ACTUALLY WAS AT A FEMA LOCATION IN EAST COUNTY WITH LAURA LEE. SO I KNOW SHE HAS BEEN FAMILIAR AND HER OFFICE IS WORKING WITH IT WELL. YOU CAN HAVE SUPPORT FROM THE FEDERAL LEVEL. >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY. IF IT IS NORTH TAMPA AND NEW TAMPA, CONGRESSWOMAN LEE. OTHER WILL BE CONGRESSWOMAN CASTOR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CONGRESSWOMAN LEE WAS ENGAGED AND HAD HER STAFF TO FAMILIAR I CAN'T REMEMBERIZE HER WITH THE PROCESS AN CONSTITUENCY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING ELSE. >>LUIS VIERA: THAT'S IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON, DO YOU HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS? >>GWEN HENDERSON: DO NOT HAVE ANY NEW BUSINESS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HOW ABOUT YOU, SIR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE A STATEMENT. I WANT TO REIT MATE MY SUPPORT OF CITY STAFF AND SPECIFICALLY SOLID WASTE FOR THE -- FOR THE JOB THAT THEY ARE DOING POST STORMS. THE CHALLENGE IS TREMENDOUS. THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING AROUND THE CITY. THEY ARE WORKING TIRELESSLY. OUR STAFF -- MANY OF THEM INCLUDING OUR LEADERS HAD DAMAGE AS WELL, BUT THEY SHOWED UP TO WORK TO HELP -- HELP BRING THE CITY BACK TO LIFE. AND I THINK -- WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO OTHER AREAS OF THE STATE THAT WERE IMPACTED BY THE HURRICANES, WE ARE -- WE ARE REALLY HUMMING ALONG. WE ARE COMPETING FOR -- FOR HELP FROM EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT THIS CITY IS REALLY RECOVERING AT A RAP IT PACE. AN, AGAIN, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS LOOK AT SOME OF THE ADJOINING JURISDICTIONS THAT WERE IMPACTED AND YOU WILL FIND -- YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB. A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE AND CITY STAFF HAS DONE AGREE JOB. APPLAUD THEM AND EXCEEDED ANY EXPECTATIONS I WOULD HAVE HAD OF THE PERFORMANCE OF THE CITY AFTER TWO DEVASTATING STORMS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH ON BEHALF OF MY HOME, MY FAMILY, MY FRIENDS AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE ENTIRE CITY, I THINK WE OWE YOU A DEBT OF GRATITUDE. THANK YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HEAR, HEAR. >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND. ABSOLUTELY. EVERYBODY HAS BEEN WORKING TIRELESSLY. SO I WANT TO AMEND MY MOTION I ORIGINALLY MADE OCTOBER 17, 2024. THAT MOTION THAT STAFF BE REQUESTED TO PROVIDE HURRICANE HELENE AND MILTON'S SWAT ANALYSES BY NOVEMBER 8. THEY ASKED FOR MORE TIME. SO I AM ACTUALLY ASKING FOR TWO SEPARATE THINGS NOW. BECAUSE CHIEF BENNETT WAS TALKING ABOUT THE HOT WASH, WHICH IS ACTUALLY AN AFTER ACTION REPORT. I AM GOING TO ASK FOR EACH OF THOSE. CHIEF TRIPP TO SHARE THEIR AFTER ACTION REPORT FROM HELENE AND MILTON TO CITY COUNCIL TO BE DELIVER BY E-MAIL BY DECEMBER 2, 2024. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. SECONDED FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN. FAVOR. OPPOSED. YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: HURRICANE HI LINE AND MILTON SWAT ANALYSIS NO MORE THAN TWO PAGES FROM EACH DEPARTMENT. NO MORE THAN ONE PAGE REPORT TO LIVED BY E-MAIL BY DECEMBER 5, 2024. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. SECONDED BY VIERA. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU HAVE SPOKEN TO STAFF. ENOUGH TIME? >>LYNN HURTAK: YES, TOIL GO THROUGH -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: I ALREADY TALKED TO MR. BAIRD ABOUT THIS. AND THIS IS FINE. A PROJECT THAT MISS COPESKY AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON TO LOOK AT LARGER PROJECTS AND SEE HOW -- WE SEE THE BEGINNING, BUT WE DON'T LOOK AT THE END AND SEE HOW WELL WE HAVE DONE IF WE ARE ON BUDGET AND ALL THIS STUFF. IT IS A LITTLE LONG AND I HAVE IT WRITTEN DOWN BUT DON'T WORRY. I MOTION THAT STAFF CREATE A FIVE-MINUTE IN-PERSON REPORT TO PRESENT AN OVERVIEW OF THE SOON-TO-BE COMPLETED OF THE LOWER PENINSULA WATER SHED PROJECT. THIS OVERVIEW, THE PROJECT APPROVAL TIMELINE FROM 2019-2024 TO THE COST COMPONENTS FOR DESIGN SERVICES, INCLUDING AMENDMENTS, GM P AGREEMENT AND ANY CHANGE ORDERS WITH KIMMINS. ADDITIONAL WORK EFFORT THAT CONSUME THE $400,000 CITY CONTROLLED AND $3 MILLION KIMMIN CONTROLLED CONTINGENCY. FOUR, DETAILS OF NON KIMMINS COST. AND DELIVERABLES ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION. LINEAR FEET OF CULVERT, POND DRAINAGE, ROAD RESURFACING, PARK AMENITIES. AND KEY IMPLEMENTATIONS FROM VENDOR. SEVEN, FINANCIAL COMPARISON TO BUDGET FOR PROJECT NUMBER 1000570. EIGHT, OPTIONS FOR USE OF UNUSED CAPITAL FUND, IF NIL. NINE, SOFT AND HARD BENEFITS THE CITY CAN EXPECT FROM THIS INVESTMENT. TEN, ANY OTHER PERTINENT DETAILS THAT STAFF BELIEVES TO BE HELPFUL. I REQUEST THE DATE NOR PRESENTATION DECEMBER 19, 2024. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: RIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS. A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANYTHING ELSE? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE ANY OPPOSED? THIS IS REGARDING WHICH PROJECT? >>LYNN HURTAK: LOWER PENINSULA WATER SHED PLAN PROJECT THAT KIMMNS. SO, YES, MISS COPESKY AND I HAVE ASKED FOR THESE FOR A COUPLE OF OTHER PROJECTS, AND IT IS KIND OF -- AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND THEY ARE HAPPY TO DO IT AND HAVE ALL THE INFO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCILMAN CARLSON. YOU HAVE QUITE A FEW? >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE FOUR. I THINK IT IS THE SAME AS OTHER PEOPLE NOW. THE FIRST ONE IS THE SHORT-TERM THING. AND -- WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF DATES OF NOW. ALL THE DATES THAT I LOOKED AT ARE FILLED. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO IT ON THE 19th. MOTION TO ASK STAFF TO REPORT BACK AS TO THE POSSIBILITY OF FINDING SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS THAT WILL IMMEDIATELY PREVENT RAINFALL FLOODING IN THE AREAS WHERE IT OCCURRED DURING THE RECENT STORMS. EXAMPLE WILL BE TO DREDGE THE CANALS AND STORMWATER POND ON AZEELE AND TO REMOVE THE CONCRETE FOUNDATION IN FOUNTAIN PARK. THESE IDEAS AND OTHERS TAILORED TO EACH NEIGHBORHOOD CAN PREVENT FLOODING OVER THE THREE TO FOUR YEARS THAT LONGER TERM SOLUTIONS CAN BE BUILT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO IT ON THE 19th. >>BILL CARLSON: ALL RIGHT, DECEMBER 19. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS FOR -- >>GWEN HENDERSON: I JUST WANTED HIM TO REPEAT IT. >>BILL CARLSON: NOTION ASK STAFF TO REPORT BACK ON DECEMBER 19 AS TO THE POSSIBILITY OF FINDING SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS THAT WOULD IMMEDIATELY PREVENT RAINFALL FLOODING IN THE AREAS WHERE IT OCCURRED DURING THE RECENT STORMS. THERE WAS FLOODING FROM STORM SURGE. THIS IS JUST THE RAINFALL PART. EXAMPLES WOULD BE TO DREDGE THE CANALS AND STORM PONDS NORTH OF AZEELE AND MEMORIAL HOSPITAL AND REMOVE THE CONCRETE FOUNDATION IN FOUNTAIN PARK. THESE IDEAS AND OTHERS TAILORED TO EACH NEIGHBORHOOD OF WHICH LONGER SOLUTIONS WILL BE BUILT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAD SOME PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT THAT NEIGHBOR DOWN IN PALMA CEIA WITH THE DITCHES. TWO EXAMPLES THERE -- TWO JUST- EXAMPLES AND DOESN'T STICK US TO ANY OF THOSE. IT SOUNDS LIKE VIK AND I HAD A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS AND SOUNDS LIKE HE HAS A BUNCH OF IDEAS ALREADY. BIGGEST QUESTION -- WE THOUGHT A STORM WAS COMING THIS WEEK. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO -- NOT THE CITY BUT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO STILL TO COME STOP THE FLOODING IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD NOW. WE NEED TO ANSWER THAT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: A MOTION. A SECOND? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. THANK YOU, SIR, THAT WAS GREAT. >>BILL CARLSON: THREE MORE. THE OTHER ONE I SENT OUT WAS ABOUT THE TREE CANOPY STUDY. WE TALKED TO SOME STAFF. WE TALKED TO CONSULTANTS. SOUNDS LIKE THE TREE CANOPY UPDATE JUST TO DO A SMALL UPDATE OF THE TREES AND THE CURRENT STATUS IS $10,000 TO $20,000. IF THE CITY CAN'T FIND IT, I WILL PAY IT MYSELF. THE ISSUE IS THAT, NUMBER ONE, BY JUST LOOKING AROUND WE LOST 10% TO 20% OF OUR TREE CANOPY IN SOUTH TAMPA IN THE LAST MONTH. THE PRO-TREE PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW WHERE WE STAND SO WE CAN RESET. WE CAN'T WEIGHT TWO MORE YEARS BEFORE THE NEXT BIG PLAN COMES UP. WE NEED A BIG UPDATE TO SEE WHERE WE STAND. NUMBER TWO, WE -- WE -- THE -- WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME THEY PRESENTED. THEY SAID, WELL, BECAUSE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT, WE LOST 4% OF OUR TREE CON KNOW BEE. IF THE NEXT REPORT THAT WE LOST WHAT WE NEED TO FIND OUT IS HOW MUCH WE LOST BECAUSE OF THE STORMS AND THAT WILL SET A NEW PRECEDENT. WE CAN CHANGE THE DATES OR WHATEVER YOU WANT. I MOTION TO HAVE STAFF COMPLETE AND UPDATE THE TREE CANOPY STUDY SUMMARY AND PROVIDE COUNCIL WITH A WRITTEN REPORT FOR THE MAY 1st, 2025 SESSION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. YES, COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OH, MY GOSH, THE TREE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HATE ME. I THINK THE INTENT IS GOOD, BUT WE HAVE SO MUCH -- SO MANY PROBLEMS WITH STORM RECOVERY RIGHT NOW. AND THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE LET UP. >>BILL CARLSON: OUTSOURCED TO USF. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WITHOUT ANYTHING FROM STAFF AT ALL? >>BILL CARLSON: USF SAID THE PICTURES EXIST AND ALL THEY HAD TO DO IS ANALYZE IT. SOME ALGORITHM FOR ANALYZING IT. SURE SOME STAFF INPUT, BUT IT'S JUST ENGAGING THE CONTRACTOR TO MOVE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU'RE RIGHT. I'M ALSO CONCERNED THAT WE STILL WON'T EVEN RECOGNIZE BECAUSE SOME OF THE TREES WERE SO BADLY DAMAGED, THEY ARE GOING TO AND WON'T KNOW THAT FOR A WHILE. I'M SURE USF IS CAPABLE. I WITHDRAW MY OBJECTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK IT'S GREAT. AS YOU SAY, THE BLAME WILL FALL ON US AND IT CAN'T BE WITH OVERDEVELOPMENT OR APPROVING OR NOT APPROVING PROJECTS. THIS STORM TOOK OUT SO MANY TREES. MOTHER NATURE'S WORK, NOT WHAT CITY COUNCIL DID. IT'S GOOD TO HAVE AN UPDATED ANALYSIS. IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THE UPDATE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? >>BILL CARLSON: YES, SIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TWO MORE. >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH. THE NEXT ONE IS ABOUT SEAWALLS. I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THIS BEFORE. MAYBE YOU ALL HAVE HEARD. SUDDENLY A CONSTITUENT REACHED OUT TO ME AND THEN HIS WHOLE CONDO REACHED OUT. LIKE FOUR OR FIVE DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY PEOPLE WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT IT. THERE IS A BARGE THAT COMES UP TO THE SEAWALL IN DAVIS ISLANDS AND A BIG TRUCK COMES UP FULL OF CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT. THEY OFF-LOAD -- THIS IS NOT A COMMERCIAL DOCK. IT IS A REGULAR SEAWALL IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY ARE UNLOADING EQUIPMENT ONTO THE BARGE AND THEN THE BARGE GOES OVER TO HARBOUR ISLAND. WE HAVE U.S. ARMY CORPS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT. AND NOBODY CAN FIND THAT ANYBODY IS PERMITTED TO DO IT. THE PROBLEM IS THE GUY WHO ORIGINALLY REACHED OUT TO ME HAS A SERIOUS, SERIOUS HEALTH ISSUE AND THEY ARE MAKING LOUD NOISES EARLY IN THE MORNING, LATE AT NIGHT BUT ALSO IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE PERMITTED AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF DAMAGE THESE THINGS MIGHT DO. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, ASK THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO RETURN WHATEVER DATE ON DECEMBER 19 TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF CREATING AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THE COMMERCIAL USE OF SEAWALLS OR DOCKS IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS EXCEPT IN LOCATION SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED FOR COMMERCIAL USE, ANY POSSIBLE ORDINANCE WOULD ALSO REGULATE THE TYPE OF USAGE, HOURS OF OPERATION, SOUND REQUIREMENTS AND ANY NEED FOR A PERMIT. >> SECOND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THAT'S VERY UNUSUAL. GOES FROM DAVIS ISLANDS TO HARBOUR ISLAND. >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH. PIRATE TAXI ALSO GOES THERE AND NOBODY OPPOSED THE PIRATE TAXI. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BUT IT'S NOT NOISY. >>BILL CARLSON: THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME PERMITTING PROCESS. IT'S WEIRD -- IT'S NOT A DOCK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: [INAUDIBLE] >>BILL CARLSON: I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING ON HARBOUR ISLAND. THEY ARE UNLOADING HUGE EQUIPMENT FROM A TRUCK ONTO A BARGE AT DAVIS ISLAND AND THEN THEY TAKE IT OVER TO HARBOUR ISLAND AND DO SOMETHING WITH IT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. WHO WAS THE SECOND? SECOND FROM HURTAK. >>BILL CARLSON: THE LAST ONE, SAVE THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL ONE LAST, JACKSON HOUSE. YOU ALL KNOW THAT IN 2012, EARNEST HOOPER ASKED ME TO MEET WITH WILLY ROBINSON. I MET WITH HIM. A LETTER FROM THE BUCKHORN ADMINISTRATION SAYING THEY WERE GOING TO TEAR DOWN THE JACKSON HOUSE A WEEK LATER AND FINE $60,000 PLUS THE COST OF TEARING DOWN THE JACKSON HOUSE. I CALLED LINDA SAUL-SENA WHO CAME INTO CITY COUNCIL NEXT DAY. I THINK TWO OR THREE OF YOU WERE ON CITY COUNCIL AT THE TIME. THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE TIME OVERTURNED THE DECISION AND SAVED THE JACKSON HOUSE. GROUP OF US THEN TRIED TO SAVE IT AND THE ADMINISTRATION FOUGHT US. SINCE THEN, A FOUNDATION HAS CONTROLLED IT AND THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS ON THE FOUNDATION. YOU ALL REMEMBER THE CHAIR OF THE FOUNDATION WAS HERE A YEAR AGO AND I ASKED HER PUBLICLY, I ASKED HER PRIVATELY FIRST AND THEN PUBLICLY, CAN YOU COME BACK IN TWO MONTHS AND PRESENT AN UPDATE ON WHAT YOUR RENOVATION PLAN IS. SHE SAID YES. SHE THOUGHT THAT WAS SUFFICIENT TIME. EVERY MONTH THEREAFTER, WHILE THE LEASE WAS STILL HERE, HE BEGGED HER TO COME RESCHEDULE. EVERY MONTH THEY CANCELED. EVERY WEEK AND ESPECIALLY AROUND STORMS SOMEBODY POST A PICTURE OF THE JACKSON HOUSE AND SAY WHY ISN'T CITY COUNCIL DOING SOMETHING TO SAVE THE JACKSON HOUSE? USF IS READY TO HELP. TAMPA BAY HISTORY CENTER IS READY TO HELP. ALL WE NEED IS THE JACKSON HOUSE AND DEALS ARE DONE -- TIRED OF GETTING BLAMED FOR IT. WE NEED THE JACKSON HOUSE FOUNDATION TO STEP UP. YOU SAW THAT SOMEBODY SENT ME AN E-MAIL TODAY. I TALK ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME. WE'VE HAD 13 YEARS OR SO OF WAITING FOR THEM TO DO SOMETHING. THEY HAVE DONE VERY LITTLE. AND ALL OF IT WAS YEARS AGO. WE THROUGH THE CRA BOARD OFFERED A MILLION DOLLARS. JEFF VINIK GAVE THEM A MILLION DOLLARS AND WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR THEM TO EVEN TELL US WHAT THEY ARE DOING. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS START THE PROCESS OF AT LEAST PUTTING OUT FINES OR LEVYING SOMETHING SO WE CAN TAKE CONTROL OF IT. IF WE DON'T TAKE CONTROL, IT WILL FALL DOWN. THE CARDIES WOULD PROBABLY BE HAPPY WITH THAT, RIGHT? THE FOUNDATION IS NOT AFFILIATED WITH THE CARDIES, WHY SHOULD WE LET THIS THING FALL DOWN WHEN THE CARDIES HAVE GONE OUT OF THEIR WAY TO ALLOW THIS SPACE TO HAVE THEM TO OPERATE THIS? EVERYBODY IS READY TO DO SOMETHING BUT THE FOUNDATION WON'T WORK. IF WE SET UP A DATE TO HAVE THE STAFF COME UPDATE US ON THE POSSIBILITY OF CONDEMNATION AND THE JACKSON HOUSE FOUNDATION, I'LL SEND AN E-MAIL TO THE LADY AFTER THIS, IF THEY WANT TO COME HERE AND PRESENT THEIR RENOVATION PLAN, NOT PRESENT EXCUSES, PRESENT THEIR RENOVATION PLAN, THEN WE CAN ACCEPT THAT AND CANCEL THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ASK STAFF TO REPORT BACK ON DECEMBER 19 AS TO THE POSSIBILITY OF THE CITY LEVYING FINES AND/OR CONDEMNING THE JACKSON HOUSE PROPERTY WITH THE PURPOSE OF TAKING IT OVER BEFORE A STORM DESTROYS IT. ONCE THE CITY HAS POSSESSION OF THE PROPERTY, THE CITY WOULD THEN WORK WITH USF, THE HISTORY CENTER AND JACKSON HOUSE FOUNDATION TO RENOVATE AND REBUILD THE STRUCTURE. CITY COUNCIL AND THE CRA BOARD HAVE BEEN ASKING THE JACKSON HOUSE FOUNDATION -- I'LL LEAVE THE REST OF IT OUT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. I WANTED TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SAME HERE. I WANT TO THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN CARLSON, FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS. I THINK YOUR THOUGHTS ARE WELL THOUGHT OUT. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS -- SOMETHING HAS GOT TO BE DONE. IF NOT THIS, THEN SOMETHING, MAYBE THIS WILL PROVOKE ACTION TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. AGAIN, THANK YOU. YOU'VE BEEN AN ADVOCATE FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION THROUGHOUT THE CITY, UNION STATION AND JACKSON HOUSE ARE TWO OF YOUR PROJECTS. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD TODAY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YEAH, THANK YOU AS WELL. I'LL TELL YOU THAT WHEN I GOT ELECTED IN 2015, WHICH YOU SUPPORTED ME, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, BECAUSE IT WAS A VERY NARROW RACE, IT WAS A SHORT GAP BETWEEN ELECTION NIGHT AND GETTING SWORN IN. I HAD ORIENTATION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. THE FIRST MEETING I HAD WAS WITH THE PREVIOUS MAYOR AND THE FIRST THING OUT OF MY MOUTH, WHAT ABOUT THE JACKSON HOUSE? WELL, IF YOUR HOUSE OR MY HOUSE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED A LONG TIME AGO. NOTHING HAS HAPPENED SINCE. IT'S GOTTEN WORSE. I'VE BEEN DOCUMENTING THIS MYSELF, GOING, TAKING PICTURES. BEFORE I GOT ELECTED, SINCE GETTING ELECTED, AND I WAS ABLE TO GET A TOUR ONE DAY. I HAVE THE PICTURES, WHICH THEY ARE FASCINATING PHOTOS BECAUSE EACH ROOM IS A DIFFERENT COLOR. THE ELECTRICAL PANEL IS USING FUSES THAT ARE FROM THE 1970s BUT INSIDE IT IS WOODEN TRUSSES THAT ARE KEEPING IT HELD UP. WE'RE IN A TROPICAL CLIMATE. THERE ARE BROKEN WINDOWS. IT RAINS. THE HUMIDITY IS DAMAGING ALL THAT WOOD. BUT IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT, BEAUTIFUL STRUCTURE. I HAD A CONVERSATION SUNDAY AFTERNOON WITH A GENTLEMAN WHO LOVES TAMPA HISTORY, TALKING ABOUT THE JACKSON HOUSE, UNION STATION, SEGREGATION, WHO STAYED THERE. IT'S ONE OF TAMPA'S MOST SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURES. I'M TIRED OF WAITING FOR SOMETHING TO HAPPEN. MR. VINIK GAVE A MILLION DOLLARS. USF DID THEIR MAPPING. TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. THIS IS GOING TO BE DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT. MENTIONED THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, EVERYBODY ELSE HAS DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE. NOW IT'S JUST I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THAT BOLD STEP TO EXPLORE, AS YOU SAID, SAVING AND PROTECTING THIS HOUSE BECAUSE IT'S INVALUABLE. IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS SO IMPORTANT TO THE HISTORY OF THIS COMMUNITY, WE CAN'T LOSE IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE LOST THE MAAS BROTHERS BUILDING DEMOLITION THROUGH NEGLECT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WATCHED THAT DEMOLITION. THAT WAS AN ENTIRE CITY BLOCK FROM THE 1920s. THE JACKSON HOUSE I THINK CAN BE SAVED AND PUT TO GOOD USE. AGAIN, IT'S TOO IMPORTANT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. >>GWEN HENDERSON: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, THERE IS A PART OF ME THAT GREATLY APPRECIATES WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM ON THIS. THERE ARE TWO THINGS. I SPOKE TO CAROLYN COLLINS, WHO IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE FOUNDATION. SHE SAYS NO ONE HAS REACHED OUT TO HER REGARDING THIS WITH ANY CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME SO THAT SHE COULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT HERSELF BEFORE US. AND I THINK JUST KIND OF LIKE THE MacDILL SITUATION, WE SHOULD GIVE IT ONE MORE SHOT WHERE SHE STANDS BEFORE US PUBLICLY TO SAY WHAT IT IS THAT SHE NEEDS TO SAY BEFORE WE MAKE A DECISION LIKE THIS, OF THIS MAGNITUDE. THE OTHER PART IS THAT I FEEL THAT WE WOULD BE OPENING A CAN OF WORMS IF WE WERE TO TAKE OVER THE JACKSON HOUSE. AND WE ARE -- WE WILL BE IN UNDER OUR HEADS AND WOULD HAVE COST US A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY UNLESS ALL OF THOSE FUNDS THAT WERE GIVEN TO THEM, THE FOUNDATION, COMES OVER WITH US. I THINK THAT THAT'S JUST -- THAT WOULD BE A TINY FRACTION OF WHAT IT WOULD REALLY COST TO BRING IT BACK TOGETHER. I JUST HAPPENED TO WATCH -- IT WASN'T A DOCUMENTARY, BUT THERE WAS AN AFRICAN AMERICAN STRUCTURE THAT THEY LITERALLY TOOK IT APART AND MOVED IT TO ANOTHER CITY AND PUT IT BACK TOGETHER. WHEN I LOOK AT THE JACKSON HOUSE AND I SAID THIS A YEAR AGO, STANDING UP BY A WING AND A PRAYER. THE FIRST PERSON AFTER THE STORM, THE SECOND ONE, MILTON, ABBYE FEELEY SAID TO ME, THE JACKSON HOUSE IS STILL STANDING. IT IS STANDING BY A WING AND A PRAYER. IT REALLY IS. I JUST FEEL AS THOUGH IF IT COMES INTO OUR POSSESSION, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A HUGE PROBLEM WHEN IT FALLS APART AND THEN EVERYONE WILL BE EXPECTING US TO FIX IT AND IT'S GOING TO COST MORE MONEY THAN WE BARGAIN FOR. I JUST REALLY DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY. I THINK THE JACKSON HOUSE, WHICH IS A PREDOMINANTLY BLACK ORGANIZATION, GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SOLVE THEIR OWN PROBLEMS AND WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO MOVE WITH EXPEDIENCY TO DO SO, SO THAT WE WILL NOT BE PLACED IN THIS SITUATION. I JUST DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE THE SAVIOR RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE AT LEAST HEAR FROM THEM, GIVE THEM THIS OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE US AT LEAST ONE MORE TIME. THAT'S MY OPINION ON IT. I DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT IT, ALTHOUGH I REALLY FEEL LIKE YOU DO CARE ABOUT IT. YOU'VE GIVEN ME A LOT OF INDICATIONS ABOUT THAT, EVEN INCLUDING THE ARTWORK IN THE HALLWAY, THE CORRIDOR OF OUR OFFICE SPACE HERE THAT I DIDN'T KNOW THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. I APPRECIATE IT. NOT THAT I'M FIGHTING YOU ON IT, BUT I DO BELIEVE WE SHOULD ALLOW CAROLYN COLLINS TO COME BEFORE US. IF SHE DOESN'T SHOW UP OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE AND -- IF ANYTHING, THEY NEED TO ASK US FOR THE HELP THAT THEY TRULY NEED IF SOMETHING HAS HAPPENED. CARDIES HAVE DONE THEIR PART. SEEMS LIKE ALL THE OTHER THINGS ARE IN PLACE. I DON'T WANT TO TAKE IT OVER AND IT COLLAPSES ON OUR WATCH AND HAVE US PUT IT BACK TOGETHER AT AN EXPENSE WE WEREN'T ANTICIPATING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND HURTAK. >>BILL CARLSON: AS YOU SAID, I LOVE THE JACKSON HOUSE SO MUCH. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THE PAINTER DEAN MITCHELL, INTERNATIONALLY KNOWN PAINTER. I BOUGHT A PAINTING FROM HIM OF THE JACKSON HOUSE. THOSE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE INSIDE OF THE JACKSON HOUSE. THOSE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS. AND PEOPLE CAN'T SEE THEM. WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO SAVE IT 12 YEARS AGO, A PHOTOGRAPHER WENT IN AND THERE WERE HAND PRINTS BY WILLIE AND HIS FAMILY ON THE WALL. SHE TOOK THE PHOTOS AND MADE AN ABSTRACT PHOTO OF IT THAT'S ON THE WALL IN CITY COUNCIL. BUT IN MY HOUSE, I PERSONALLY BOUGHT A PAINTING BY DEAN MITCHELL OF THE JACKSON HOUSE. AND I HAD LENNY FOSTER, WHO IS A CIVIL RIGHTS PHOTOGRAPHER COME OVER AND TAKE PHOTOS OF THE JACKSON HOUSE. I LOVE THE BUILDING AND I WANT TO SAVE IT. IN TERMS OF CONTACT, ELISE LEFT HOW MANY, THREE MONTHS AGO, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. HE CONTACTED THEM AT LEAST ONCE A MONTH. HE RESCHEDULED WITH THEM EIGHT TIMES JUST IN THE LAST YEAR. I AGREE WE SHOULD GIVE THEM MORE TIME BUT I WANT TO SCHEDULE THIS AND SEE IF THAT LIGHTS A FIRE FOR THEM TO COME MEET WITH US BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T HAD AN URGENCY TO MEET WITH US AT ALL. THEY NEED TO NOT JUST TELL US EXCUSES BUT WHAT THEIR PLAN IS. ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE MONEY REALLY IS GOING TO GO TO THE HISTORY CENTER. THE HISTORY CENTER IS GOING TO LEAD THE CONSTRUCTION OF IT. I DON'T WANT THE CITY TO TAKE IT OVER EITHER, BUT WHAT THE JACKSON HOUSE FOUNDATION NEEDS TO DO IS THEY NEED TO TURN OVER CONTROL OF THE HISTORY CENTER NOW SO THE HISTORY CENTER CAN OPERATE THIS. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER WHITE PREDOMINANTLY ORGANIZATION TAKING OVER ANOTHER BLACK SPACE JUST LIKE THE -- THE, UM, FORTHCOMING HISTORY CENTER IN -- IN THE SCRUB. GIVE THEM THIS OPPORTUNITY. WHAT IF IT FALLS APART ON OUR WATCH? WHAT IF IT FALLS APART AND WE CAN'T PUT IT BACK TOGETHER. >>BILL CARLSON: THE KEEPER OF BLACK HISTORY IN TAMPA RIGHT NOW AS IT IS IS THE HISTORY CENTER. AND ARGUABLY THE TOP BLACK HISTORIAN IN TAMPA IS AT THE HISTORY CENTER. HE AND HIS COLLEAGUES WOULD -- AND THE TEAM FROM USF. BUT THEY ARE GOING TO WORK WITH THE JACKSON HOUSE FOUNDATION BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT HAVING THE FAMILY INVOLVED. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK AND VIERA. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHY DON'T WE OFFER -- WHAT DATE DID YOU WANT THIS? >>BILL CARLSON: DECEMBER 19. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHY DON'T YOU INVITE THEM TO COME DECEMBER 19 AS WELL. >>GWEN HENDERSON: THAT IS FAIR. >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS IS NOT SAYING WE'RE TAKING IT OVER. WE'RE GETTING INFORMATION FROM THE CITY AND INFORMATION FROM THEM AT THE SAME TIME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S INVITE THEM ALL. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WAY WE CAN MAKE A DECISION OR WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION AS A GROUP. >>BILL CARLSON: I'LL ADD TO MY MOTION ND INVITE THE JACKSON HOUSE FOUNDATION TO SPEAK. >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE NEED TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY JUST LIKE WE DID WITH -- >>LYNN HURTAK: I COMPLETELY AGREE. I HAVE THE EXACT SAME SENTIMENT AS YOU AS WE CANNOT TAKE AS A PREDOMINANTLY WHITE BODY WE SHOULD NOT BE TAKING OVER WHAT IS PREDOMINANTLY AN AFRICAN AMERICAN EXPERIENCE. IT'S RELEVANT TO THE CITY BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT'S RELEVANT TO THE COMMUNITY. I JUST -- I'M VERY UNCOMFORTABLE UNCOMFORTABLE. >>GWEN HENDERSON: [INAUDIBLE] -- AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. I WILL SUPPORT THAT. MAYBE SHE'S LISTENING TODAY BECAUSE SHE IS AWARE OF THIS. >>BILL CARLSON: HOW ABOUT IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER MOTION WHICH CAN I READ AGAIN, INVITE THE JACKSON HOUSE FOUNDATION TO PRESENT THEIR RENOVATION PLAN. >GWEN HENDERSON: AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, I CAN ACCEPT THAT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO I HAD VERY SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT THIS. FOR ME TO SUPPORT PART OF IT, I WOULD NEED -- AGAIN, WHATEVER THE VOTES ARE THERE, BUT TO HAVE THE INVITATION BE SEPARATE FROM THIS. THERE ARE A LOT OF COMPLICATED ISSUES WITH THIS, WITH NEIGHBORS BLAH BLAH BLAH A WHOLE LOT OF THINGS. I THINK AS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON HAVE SAID FOR US A POLITICAL BODY, A MUNICIPALITY TO START TO MAKE THREATS AGAINST A PREDOMINANTLY AFRICAN AMERICAN ORGANIZATION ON SOMETHING LIKE THIS, IT HAS TO MEET A HIGHER LEVEL OF SCRUTINY THAT I DON'T THINK IS THERE YET. HOWEVER, NUMBER ONE, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS POTENTIALLY WORTHWHILE, GETS PEOPLE'S ATTENTION. I KNOW THAT'S WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON WANTS TO DO IN THAT. NUMBER TWO, INVITING THEM TO COME ON DECEMBER 19, BY THE WAY, SIX DAYS FROM CHRISTMAS. MAYBE DO IT BEFORE, MAYBE AFTERWARDS, BUT HAVE THEM. I WROTE DOWN ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE. AS AN ATTORNEY, IF A JUDGE SAYS, LISTEN, YOU'RE GOING TO BE HERE ON THIS DATE, SHOW CAUSE AS WHY SHOULDN'T DISMISS YOUR LAWSUIT. KIND OF LIKE THAT. NOT THAT WE'RE ORDERING HIM TO BE HERE BUT WE WOULD LIKE FOR THEM TO BE HERE AT A CERTAIN TIME. FOR ME, I CAN'T SUPPORT AT THIS TIME SOMETHING LIKE THAT BEFORE WE EXHAUST OTHER REMEDIES. I DO SUPPORT HAVING THEM COME WITH THE DIRECTION OF, LISTEN, TELL US WHAT YOU'RE DOING. WE WANT TO PRESERVE THIS. HELP ME HELP YOU. THAT'S MY FEELING. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHY DON'T WE SAY TENTATIVELY THAT THIS IS THE DATE. IF THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR THEM, WE CAN MOVE THE ENTIRE THING TO A DATE THAT DOES WORK FOR THEM. IT'S NOT SET IN STONE THAT IT IS THE 19th. IF THEY HAVE TO MOVE IT, THEY HAVE TO MOVE IT. EITHER WAY, WE'LL HAVE ALL THAT INFORMATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. >>GWEN HENDERSON: FOR THE RECORD, I DID NOT KNOW DRUMGO WAS REACHING OUT TO THEM SEVERAL TIMES. I KNOW THEY WERE SCHEDULED, BUT EVEN ONE OF THOSE TIMES SHE SAID SHE WASN'T AWARE OF. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE THE FLOOR. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I'M SORRY. PRO TEM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I'M SHAKING MY HEAD. HE -- WHAT I'M HEARING IS THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY. KEEP DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND EXPECTING DIFFERENT RESULTS. I CAN TELL YOU THAT, YES, ALIS DID REACH OUT MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE TIMES. IN THIS CHAMBER, THE HEAD OF THE JACKSON FOUNDATION WAS BEFORE US AND WAS ASKED TO COME BACK AND GIVE THESE REPORTS. WE'VE ALREADY GONE DOWN THIS PROCESS AND NOTHING HAS HAPPENED. IT'S DETERIORATED THAT MUCH FURTHER. WE HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN THE CITY, NOT A FINANCIAL INTEREST, AND ALSO A CULTURAL INTEREST ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AND ALL THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US AND PASSED AND LIVE HERE TODAY AND WILL LIVE HERE TOMORROW TO PURSUE THIS TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. I THINK HAVING SOME TYPE OF THRESHOLD, BECAUSE CLEARLY, THIS HASN'T GONE ON JUST A YEAR. HOW MANY YEARS HAS THIS GONE ON. THIS FOOTBALL IS LIKE CHARLIE BROWN. THE FOOTBALL GETS SET UP AND LUCY PULLS THE FOOTBALL OUT FROM UNDER HIM EVERY SINGLE TIME. THERE'S GOT TO BE A MOMENT, AND I THINK THAT MOMENT PASSED A LONG TIME AGO. WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE GUTS TO PULL THE TRIGGER, THIS TIME HAS COME AND GONE. THEY NEED TO COME BEFORE THIS COUNCIL. WE INVESTED MONEY. OTHER COMPANIES HAVE INVESTED MONEY. COME FORWARD TO COUNCIL WITH A PLAN OR THEY NEED TO RELINQUISH CONTROL. IF THEY WON'T DO THAT, I THINK COUNCILMAN CARLSON'S OBJECTIVE IS ABSOLUTELY ACCURATE. EITHER THE CARROT OR THE STICK AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE HAVE A SECOND. >>LUIS VIERA: AGAIN, IF THE MOTION IS GEARED TOWARDS COME ON THIS DATE AND IF WE DON'T GET SOMETHING SATISFACTORY, THEN WE'LL START EXPLORING SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THAT'S SOMETHING I CAN SUPPORT. BUT PUTTING THAT ON THE MENU THIS TIME, LIKE I SAID, WHEN I SAW THE MEMO, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT ALIS. I'LL REACH OUT TO HIM. THINK THE MEMO CAME OUT ON TUESDAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO MANY BRIEFINGS AND DISCUSSIONS, MAYBE THAT'S PART OF MY FRUSTRATION. THIS HAS GONE ON FOREVER. IF HE HAD HAIR, HE WOULD BE PULLING IT OUT. >>LUIS VIERA: I CAN REACH OUT TO HIM AS WELL. THAT'S WHAT I PREFER. I DIDN'T HAVE TIME AFTER TUESDAY BECAUSE I WAS MOURNING THE ELECTION, BUT THAT'S OKAY. >>BILL CARLSON: ALL IT'S SAYING, COME BACK AND TALK TO US ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF IT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON THAT DAY TO DEMOLISH IT. BY THE WAY, HAD LINDA SAUL-SENA NOT INTERVENED IN 2012 IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TORN DOWN AND WILLIE'S FAMILY WOULD BE OUT A HUNDRED GRAND OR MORE. MOTION TO ASK STAFF TO REPORT BACK ON DECEMBER 19 AS TO THE POSSIBILITY OF THE CITY LEVYING FINES AND/OR CONDEMNING THE JACKSON HOUSE PROPERTY WITH THE PURPOSE OF TAKING IT OVER BEFORE A STORM DESTROYS IT. ONCE THE CITY HAS POSSESSION OF THE PROPERTY, THE CITY WOULD THEN WORK WITH USF, THE HISTORY CENTER, AND THE JACKSON HOUSE FOUNDATION TO RENOVATE AND REBUILD THE STRUCTURE. AND WE WILL INVITE THE JACKSON HOUSE FOUNDATION TO PRESENT THEIR RENOVATION PLAN AT THE SAME TIME. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION. SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ANY OPPOSED? >> NAY. >>GWEN HENDERSON: I'M OKAY WITH IT FOR NOW. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH MIRANDA VOTING NO -- >>BILL CARLSON: COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, IF YOU CAN HELP US TO GET THEM TO COME FOR RENOVATION PLAN, YOU'LL BE MY HERO. >> [INAUDIBLE] >>LUIS VIERA: MY SON HAS A PLAY AT 6:30. >>GWEN HENDERSON: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. >> [INAUDIBLE] >>MARTIN SHELBY: THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A SHORT -- LIMIT TO FIVE MINUTES OR TEN MINUTES CEREMONIAL. IF YOU WANT TO DO A TIME CERTAIN, FIRST THING AFTER LUNCH. >>BILL CARLSON: 1:30 TIME CERTAIN. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I HAVE SOMETHING THAT I'VE BEEN ASKED TO RELAY TO YOU. BECAUSE OF THE STORMS, WE HAD SEVERAL NIGHT MEETINGS. WE HAD TWO NIGHT MEETINGS CANCELED. AND NOW PER THE CODE THOSE ITEMS HAVE BEEN MOVED TO LET'S SAY NEXT WEEK'S MEETING AND ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES MOVED TO THE ONE -- 14th IS NEXT WEEK AND THEN THE 21st BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAY. BASICALLY WHERE WE STAND NOW IS IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN NEXT WEEK'S AGENDA COMES OUT ON FRIDAY, YOU WILL SEE FOR NEXT THURSDAY NIGHT 15 ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE STACKED IS THE ITEMS THAT WERE CONTINUED FROM OCTOBER WILL BE FIRST ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE ARE ALREADY A MONTH BEHIND. I'M GOING TO ASK -- WE'LL FIND OUT WHAT CAN BE CONTINUED. COUNCIL MAY WANT TO CONTEMPLATE GIVING THE PEOPLE UP FRONT TO ASK FOR CONTINUANCES WITHOUT PENALTY. I'M JUST ASKING YOU TO BE PREPARED. I BELIEVE IT MIGHT EVEN BE ACTUALLY MORE THAN 15 ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE SOME THAT MIGHT BE CONTINUED OR ASKING FOR CONTINUANCES ALREADY. >>THE CLERK: 19 AND ONE NOT GOING TO BE HEARD, MISNOTICE AND THREE -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'RE AT 15. >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST REQUEST THAT WE HAVE DINNER. DINNER AND SOME SNACKS. AND NOT PIZZA. I BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION TODAY TO BE PREPARED FOR NEXT THURSDAY, BOTH WITH REGARD TO% FOOD, ALSO WITH REGARD TO BEING WELL RESTED AND PREPARED FOR THAT AND ALSO A GOOD PERIOD OF TIME UP FRONT FOR HOUSE KEEPING TO GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DETERMINE HOW YOU WILL HANDLE THE EVENING. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE ONLY THING I ASK IS AT THAT MEETING WE ALSO HAVE A CLEAR, SAYS NINE FOR DECEMBER 12, BUT TO HAVE AN UPDATE OF WHERE THE NINE STAND, SO IF PEOPLE DO WANT TO MOVE, BECAUSE DECEMBER IS JUST INSANE. THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WOULD REQUEST IS MAYBE HAVING DECEMBER AND JANUARY'S DATES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU. >>GWEN HENDERSON: A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, AYE. WE ARE ADJOURNED. [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]