What about it? Have you seen it? Yeah. Yes. With um the blondhaired girl, Cindy Mancini. Yes. Yes. Only one in the room who's seen it. Well, you made yourself then. Have you seen Patrick? Is it an old movie? No, it was from the8s. I just had a disturbing birthday a week ago. You're pretty close. You got a birthday? Well, I was on the eth. Yeah, I turned 50. Gross. Gross. How old are you? Um, I'm going to be 44. Yeah, just new policy. So before we could have this as Wednesday, even if you're lying, I'll take it. I don't know what I should say. I don't think we actually purpos Iowa. And it's hilarious because there's a bike ride every Friday night over the summer from Omaha, Nebraska to Council Bluffs, Iowa to this taco shack that serves like $2 pictures of margaritas. And so it's just this like very everyone's tried to be really careful on the ride from bicycle pedal bike. Yeah. friend lucky when he stole the gun's bikes that he didn't end up and when I was taking allegedly we got to watch video are considered motors and everybody in the vehicle can be drinkvious. is considered a motor vehicle for the purposes of DWI in Texas. So if you want to see some really fun videos of horses getting pulled over for my dad and I had a whole conversation about that afterwards but the horse can walk it way home. It doesn't even need you to be awake on the whole lake, right? Because that actually seems like a safe ride. Well, that's when when my grandpa was growing up, you'd ride your horse into town, get drunk, fall asleep on the horse, and wake up at your house, right? No, it's a big animal. drunk on a horse. Well, yeah. Will you text us when it takes forever? My husband unplugged mine. I plugged it in this morning when I got home at some point during the day. Unplugged it. So I'm like It went to 100% now and then it'll be zero when I charge really slow and my husband unplugged it. So I'm like All right, it is 5:30. I will call the work session to order. First, we have the city manager. Here we go. All right. Good evening, Mayor and Council. Uh, so happy to share through Aaron and her team's work, the city's uh, community rating system. Uh, class 7 was reertified. So, that means uh, that property owners who need to get flood insurance plane receive up to a 15% discount. a lot of you can imagine tedious and intricate work and paperwork related to that. Thank you. Turner road is scheduled for a mill overlay this Wednesday. There'll be a detour from Ches Boulevard into the downtown. Andrew and his team are working through that. What's a contract? No. So that should be a day long project. Yeah, we met this afternoon. So they're on schedule to do that. So hopefully if it doesn't rain tomorrow, which is going to rain tomorrow, it'll be later in the day. Work on bridges. Yeah. So we got the paving done today on Third Street Bridge. Um plan is to get all the signing and striping done by the end of the week, have the road open by the end of the day Friday for the for the weekend. So, um we're not anticipating any full closures from here on out after it gets open. There'll be a few things that they have to do yet. specifically the painting of the concrete um walls for the bridge and the railing for the bridge that has to happen. That'll be happening um the week of the 26 and then into early June, but that can all be done from like working off the sidewalk. So, they're not going to have to close the whole road down to do those things. Um, but yeah, everything's on schedule to have it all wrapped up here in June and then we'll be able to put that one behind us for good. You're opening next week or right Friday, sorry, this Friday. Yeah. So, there won't be any striping park here on the road. No, we're planning to get the striping done this week as well. Yeah. Okay. But for some reason we get weather like the rest of the week. Yeah. Which it doesn't look like, but if for some reason the striping doesn't get done or Oh, sure. Yeah. We could just leave that out there. if for some reason it doesn't get done. Yeah. Yeah. Perfect. Then excited to share that uh Andrew and Jordan work together on a new hire public services utility techn 15 years of utilities experience. Happy to have him join next Tuesday. Next Tuesday. So excited to have his experience and see what he can teach us and teach him strengthen our team a little bit. Where did he come? Did he come from another school? He had been a new he went over to the private sector for a little bit. Um Andrew since being here has noticed several areas of emerald ash in the parks. Just wanted to give him an opportunity to talk about that and potential impacts going forward. So like two weeks ago tours of the parks um specifically community park have a lot of ash trees and uh those ash trees are infected and it's going to be a big change coming soon probably when those trees are going to have to go. So I just want everyone to be aware of that they're infected now and there's not much to do after that kind of waiting. They might have a couple more years left, but they're going to start dying and dropping sticks and art making a mess. So, um, we're going to have to start looking at other options. I mean, plant more trees and then have to look for maybe more immediate shade structures to provide some shade in the short term. Can you treat those trees? I don't know. I can look at it, but I don't know how Yeah, that's a longterm solution. Spending, you know, a couple thousand dollars a year on a tree that's gonna be gone anyway. So, that's a investment we need to be making right now. Do you know how much it cost? I mean, have you looked into it? We did it in my past city. Um, and it's not crazy high, but u with the amount of ash trees that are around town up there and have to do it year after year. It is a yearly treatment. You're talking dozens, hundreds, probably dozens. But where they are, I mean, if you walk in community park by the shelter, those are all ash trees that trails. shocking. Uh note that work session at your next will be cancelled. We don't have anything scheduled. Another commercial for the public services space assessment listening session on June. We have an annexation also on that agenda. Then some followup work. Andrew did a lot of work on this helped out as well. So this is the council had some question the public facil public services facilities tour. Um wanted to get into kind of the values. So I'll kind of give a broad overview but if you have kind of detailed questions I'll defer but our current value inside storage of vehicles and equipment what we store currently outside is in the Navy and then what we have in our CIP over the next 10 years is maroon the sky lighter blue is a combination of the navy and the maroon and then there are literally a dozen way you can do the math on math on this uh but uh center it around a 10% reduction in useful life for that equipment totaling 30,000 simple math that 20 years 600,000 and then the second piece is looking at times related to staff rotating vehicles and equipment I would emphasize these costs aren't wouldn't be like savings as far as cash savings this time the uh team is already in place. So, it's a matter of efficiency and how you want to use these numbers. But again, a bunch of different ways that you could probably uh look at this. Uh the first uh row is this equipment and vehicles, the start of day and end of day to get to the pieces that they need. And then the second row is that seasonal rotation of winter to summer etc. And then you know dedicated task where we have our smoke club at the main shop Jonathan Kmer and bringing that down to the brine tank facility at the downtown. Again all background kind of information but wanted to follow up uh with this prior to the session. any specific questions or follow? So, so the daily hours um you know at first you're like what how could it be that much but if you're looking at 125 minutes right so maybe just when that comes out that was my initial thought right so I'm probably not the only person who's going to look at this and say you know from the public so just make sure that it's claim that like the total it's not every employee out there and you know really how many how fast does it take to add up 15 minutes on that so well We discuss this internally unless the counc wants to do it differently. It's not our intention to present these numbers at the listening session because u like this is background information but the the space study and the needs assessment is at least from our perspective is just the listening session is just to look at the space needs. this is a background piece of information that might help someone make a decision on it. Um, but maybe too conservatively, but we're you don't want to at least as a staff, we're trying to stay out of position um providing data that could be viewed as promoting um a certain position. And so, at least at this initial phase, we're looking at it as just this is the space study. What do you think? This might be helpful at some other point in the process, but our initial um perspective on this is not to lead with this um in the hopes of not trying to be in a position where someone's accusing the city of trying to have a bias towards a certain position. Can you go back to the last um when you talk about 10% reduction in the life of Can you explain a little bit what's how it gets to 10%. What is that how is the outdoor storage actually reducing it? So is it rust? Is it Yeah. Like if you have a plow truck let's say that's outside out in the elements rather than being inside. You know that's a 20 year piece of equipment. Does sitting it outside take 10% years off of that useful life? Now, you could look at this a million different ways. You can look up studies. Um, there's not really a documented number that says if you park this truck outside, it's going to do this. 10 is conservative of being exposed to coal, having trouble with the battery starting and all those other components getting beat down on the sun. like what degrades it like outside. What is what is what degraded on the vehicle? So batteries, hydraulic hoses, get holes in the in the bottom of the truck. I mean rust is a huge thing. So I just want to know a little bit. Yeah. Well, I think this is a good snapshot. I think these are really questions. I also think like if we present this too early, we're going to have conversations about it shouldn't by using 10% it should be 20 or five and um but to start off with people are going to say well why can't they just be outside correct then I can say I have in my back pocket when Joe city comes up and ask me well why can't they just be outside okay no that's it this was great I know there There's probably a ton of work that went into this for yeah to be able to have this and I agree with you. I don't think it's a a June 2nd element but it will be I think if you go further down something to say like not only are we out of space here's the space study but here's information on what it's costing us to be out of space. Thanks for joining us. All right. Uh concert requests any once twice? I don't. I'm sorry. I know. Um okay. Uh Deputy Nelson, you're up next with our monthly sheriff's office report. Welcome. Thank you. Thanks for having me back. Wasn't sure I was going to make it. Um kicked out that one. Right. Exactly. I don't have a whole lot to share. I did look at some of the numbers quick glance at them for the month of April, but I was going to let you guys know um I was gone obviously the last couple weeks or so with some training and things like that. So I was away at some firearms instructor school stuff, some things that I'm passionate about. Um got some additional training in pit if anybody's seen the pit maneuver on you know highspeed chase stuff like that. So pursuit intervention techniques um and then I went through interview interrogation course with the BCA Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension. So, some quality training, some stuff that we uh like to put our deputies through when requested. Um, you know, I requested the firearm stuff. The pit interview thing is something like put everybody through, but that was just sort of where I've been. So, I apologize for for maybe some of the slow reports that I've been getting you guys a good week uh condensed one last time. So, um, as far as kind of looking at some of our April numbers, nothing jumps out at me as being, you know, overly egregious or or high. Um, again, I think our traffic numbers are still on the low side. Um, working to get our other team members motivated about getting some stops here in town. And what can tend to happen with these numbers is when we do stops on Jonathan Carver Parkway or we might be on road. They sometimes get coded at those, you know, either a township or as Chaza. So sometimes the numbers get a little goofy in those areas and I know those guys like to traffic on JCP or if you get too far south of town, obviously maybe we saw them speeding, you know, just down by the gravel pit there, but we might not get the stop call out until after the uh T intersection where it'll code differently and that's sort of on us. we should be a little more diligent about where they're mapping and where the actual violation occurred at. So we can have some more accurate numbers in that respect. But other than that, um, yeah, nothing that I saw here. We did have only four arrests for the month, which is typically a good thing. We don't have a lot of people around here committing offenses that would require us to put handcuffs on them. So that's good. Couple DWI, things like that. But most of our traffic stops in verbal warnings. We did write some citations for speed proof of insurance. But is there anything that anybody has seen in the past month? Anything that jumps out at them at least in my reports? Something that maybe, you know, we want clarification on. Nothing about the reports, but when you were doing traffic, are you doing those in collector streets as well? So, Monroe, Spring Creek Drive, 634 Street, we scrap road. That's not a collector, but from what I personally have done, I know I'm not great at getting some of those smaller roads that the bigger ones because sometimes it can be hard to get a good stop in that area safe stop but not a great excuse. So it's definitely something I will make a note of and pass along you know that we're looking for some additional control and get the lights out on some of those side streets if you want to call that right that would be great just so that you know our perspective when we're hearing from residents they're not complaining about speeding on Jonathan Harbor I mean they may be but it's the the car that blew through the stop sign in front of their house it's the car that went too fast when their kids were playing in the front yard so it's those like neighborhood issues, right? And like I think there's always that sense of optics and seeing you guys out there and going through the neighborhood. So, 100%. That would be great to drive through somebody on Spring Creek Drive. Yeah. And and we're all about the lights because you know that perception that we are out and about is really what's important. So, um except for the Volkswagen that give him offender. To speak to JCP, you know, since we've passed that new that engine amendment, I really haven't got any. I don't think I've gotten one, honestly. I don't know. People have just sort of kind of mellowed out on a little bit. maybe sort of sort of calmed it a bit but um I have not received any calls. Are you also looking for overnight parking in like the park and ride and the parks? So that's something that I want to say and Paul has sort of brought to my attention and I did some of that information off to our night cars. Um certainly can do that again. I had asked them to pass it there because I know we have some very obvious parks vehicles in those areas. So, um I know park and red for sure. And this time of year with um getting warmer out park is a spot that usually gets hit for vandalism spray painting. Okay. Absolutely. And I haven't go that way today, but yesterday there was a boat on a trailer in community park pretty late. So I don't hopefully that's not intentionally there. There's a for sale sign on it, but that's against a couple of um Okay, perfect to have good guys. Um speaking of the team, it remains the same. The same um gentleman still a part of it. We're hoping to get um some additions. I don't know where those assignments will land for our ones on training if they make it through. Um we do have multiple deputies progressing through our program. Hopefully be done within the next few months or so as long as things go well. Hopefully we can stay at least one of them. So we're looking to still fill two spots, right? Um I had made a note about upcoming events. I don't have anything calendar for May or June. Anything that anybody's aware of as far as I don't know if there's anything bigger going on in town that special attention would be required for you know maybe not your level of June 18th something like that okay that's the city sponsored truck correct okay yeah we had some diffusion but it's called the vehicle harbor okay what I just because we had gotten our lines crossed a little bit farm was hosting their own event. So close together, but um Okay, perfect. And I do believe I've already spoke with Debbie'll be around that'll be an after hours thing for him. So he won't be called away interact and if you want 5 6 7 8 5 It's after Labor Day this year. It is after days. Do we ever do we have additional deputies working during that time? Okay. Ask for some extra coverage. 567 56 I will be on for at least half I believe or if there's additional need for some good there's a lot yes but it'd be nice if we had I understand that'd be fun to be around too a lot of different people hopefully in positive place it is a fun and sometimes there's some work for you guys well go by fast. Are you kidding me? When I was with Winstead, I was fortunate enough to be long enough to work Windtock a couple of times. Not a stranger to that sort of turn. Anything else for All right. Thank you. You're welcome to stay. I do have more exciting things since I I the uh what is it? The two troops in a line. Oh, yeah. I had prepared something for you. Let's go. That's the line. Okay. In no particular order, um I was firefighter before I was officer. I spent time in Germany as a foreign exchange student and I have been in law enforcement for 10 years. Shoot for eye contact and you did a good job. What that training right? What fire department? I was with fire for a time and when I was going through college, I actually fire department way up north. So, it was just me and a couple of young college kids trying to do very professional stuff. And we had the fire department was called Eagles Nest Township. So, I think they had one engine, one tank truck, that was it. Um, made up of pretty much people going up there, retirees at their cabins. And we had the first structure fire in probably over 20 years. While we were there, we're like, we don't know what to do. Yeah. We're running around here. Didn't save the basement, but nobody got um and then yeah, I was a foreign exchange student in Germany, so I spent some time there in high school and that was a good experience for me. For how long? Uh I was only there for so um it was enough time for me to definitely feel like this is was very different than home. Speaking of jwalking, yes, it was it was a good experience and I'd recommend anybody who has an opportunity to travel, especially maybe younger age to help build some independence. Awesome. Well, thank you. Absolutely. Appreciate you doing that. My email is always available, my phone, my phone, whatever. Reach out, get back to anybody as soon as I possibly can. I will extend the ride along invitation again. I don't think anybody read that and I want you know completely open to any of us but if you want to ride with me or anyone else doesn't have to be for a super long time if you don't want for an hour I would say at least a minimum you perfect. Um, all right. Up next is the Lake. Thank you. I'm gonna try really hard to say Great River Greening a couple times. So, Great River Energy is different than Great River Greening and they are proposing a transmission line through Lake Township and Township. So, they've been working on this for a while. We unfortunately found out about it a little bit late in the process, but we've been doing some work with them to do some relationship building, sharing feedback, giving information. So the contact we have now has been really helpful for us additional information we've requested. But just for reference, the transmission line will be 70 to 95t scale poles with 100 foot underneath it where anything happening in that area will be really limited. So unfortunately that tracks through our growth right around maybe. So on the map, the blue is their preferred line that they are moving forward application with right now. Yellow dashed is our growth area. So you can see there's a pretty significant impact along Hampshire Road. So they've explored a couple different options throughout the area, but I would say they are definitely moving towards the blue. There are two ways to engage this week. So, we're looking for some feedback from the city council if there's additional comment, feedback, discussion, things we can share with them that might be impactful. So, there's a public hearing I think on Wednesday night in person at the outpost and then a virtual version Thursday. So, in the packet there was a fact sheet about the project and then a letter that I sent November of last year, I think, after we were made aware of the project seeking some additional review. So, uh, no progress since that letter, but information has been received. They're sharing information with us, which is great. So, looking forward discussion and feedback from the city council tonight. All right, start. I was not happy reading the um at all. Uh, we were completely kept out of the process until we stumbled upon it. to a township resident it sounds like. Um, and it sounds like they were really great to work with for the city of Victoria, right? Isn't it convenient? But not us. And I think we all know maybe Kayla to a lesser extent what a barrier those high high power lines are because in community park boy I remember even since we've been on council the black socks I think they put in that new press box and it was an act of Congress to get approvals to put something in that ement area. Um so I'm not happy with this at all. So it looks like goes along Hampshire Road for a little bit, which that concerns me a little bit less than where it jogs off and goes through developable land. And it looks like they have a bunch of other options that run right along the road consistently because Victoria said no. And we have from them that there are several houses that are directly adjacent to it where this is a less incorporated area. So just feedback here. So the purple line is where their houses. Um yes. And then along like this pink line. So going this direction. Okay. Um, I mean, I was on Saturday afternoon and I was like, I almost called you and was like, what meeting do I need to be at and when? So, I guess that's one of my questions like which meeting and maybe we as a group tag team this and figure out who can do Wednesdays and who can do Thursdays. Um, but I'm not happy because I think that this is going to be a huge impact on future and Victoria got such a white club treatments that it's not equal. Any other thoughts? I wanted to commend Aaron for the tone of the letter she sent in November was forceful but polite and I also got really upset when I read the memo and read the situation. Um, what was most frustrating for me was that the memo state their memorandum stated that they had done their research and determined that there was an annexation agreement with Victoria and then they did not do the same research to determine that there was an annexation agreement with and that felt the easy way out for them kind of at least to me. like, hey, look, we did it for Victoria. We did our due diligence, but we're not going to do it for now that we we're just going to pretend like there is no due diligence to be done. Um, and I I mean, I kind of from their point of view, you know, you drive you drive that area and it's clear that Victoria is encroaching on that area and it's not clear that Carver's encroaching on that area yet. I understand that, but still, you can take the time to look up one annexation agreement. Um, so yeah, I agree. We should figure out who's going on Wednesday, who's going on Thursday because we need to have a voice that my my comments obviously are the same. But for us, so what do we do? What do what do we do to stop it, change it, at least give our best effort? What do we do? I guess I think the question would be, are you satisfied with what has an original memo or do you want to in addition? I think now I don't remember word for word here. I don't and if you didn't mention or if you did mention but maybe we should make it stronger that the bill said was done for Victoria however was not done for us. I think that's okay that in there um It's I think it's be essentially what I feel like as the city council like Great River Energy to pursue another just to be like overly cautious. I think a revised version if any member of the council decides to go public like this is the message from the one member says one thing difference. a letter that submits is a part of the formal process, but that you can use as your talking point should you choose to provide verbal test. Yeah. And like in my mind's eye when I was going through this on Saturday be almost like reading the letter again just to get across and I you know I think there's an opportunity Minnesota valley is the end user so we could probably copy relationship public hearing process for the public utilities commission. Um, so I'm sorry, was the Carver County did they get a review on this also? They did. Yeah, they because it's goes a long time. They actually say that in their that Victoria and Carver County reviewed it. So let's I think kind of to what Brent was getting talking strategy of first of all I can't make Wednesday's meeting but I can probably make Thursday's work. What time is the meeting? I can't do Thursday but I can do Wednesday. I think it's good if we I'm not coming. So, is it next week? No, it's like two days from now. Wednesday. Okay. Of course, for memorial, I was like, "Oh, look. I was planning on being out of town that week. No, unfortunately in person is May 21st. What time? 5 until like uh 5:00 p.m. is an open house. And then 6 to 8 is the public hearing at the outpost. And then there's an online hearing via WebEx be held on May 22nd from 6 until 8 and I can I'll pass this email toward the rest of I think some of you services Minnesota. I have a two questions. When the letter's addressed to Mr. Hicks, what's his role? He's for the state. Okay. And then um the public utility they uh 100 foot easement. So in some I think it's theirs or anyways it does mention how like that's in the the pole's in the middle. also is there negotiating or like is that just a standard is it like a statute or and I don't expect anyone to have the answer now but um I can probably their standard so okay depending on the pole height I would say probably well that must be community that has the same there so what uses are allowed that underneath it. No vegetation. Yeah, it was stricter than community park. So like couldn't even do a trail there. They don't want anything. Okay. So Logan Hicks works for the environmental review and analysis at the Department of Commerce. So they're one of the reviewers of the department and that area is so industrial generally low density and then it just a little back. One of the reasons they chose not to do County Road 10 is the county has plans to upgrade that road. They're concerned that if they place po unfortunately what makes the land very uh helpful to them right now is what would make it valuable to us. The fact that there's nothing there. So they too process figured out by the time we and what do you think our chances are changing? Uh I would say our relationship with is pretty strong. So I'd say that's definitely a path forward. Okay. It feels like this process is pretty deep in but I think if we let our so I don't think it's or not like I think it's important that they know we're invested in this and it's deeply impactful to our growth area. So do they but what power do they have to force easements from the home from the property owners? I don't know I don't know the answer to that but I I think they saw that there were existing homes especially in the purple and kind of jumped back 10 feet from it. Yeah, I I believe you said that summer it said that this was brought to us by someone who would be affected by this and doesn't want to be. Correct. Was the township res and is there any way we can leverage their concern as well? She the person who came in was uh really vocal at the meeting. So I think her information has been captured by them. Wonderful. I had similar questions. Um so any of these they propose will they to land buy some or like they can't just go marching in and say we're taking this. So could could some sections be more expensive than others? Um I don't or more of like a of a long process and some might be simple. I think we had a process for acquisition. They're not a public entity for eminent domain. I don't know what rules there are for utilities. I think it would be the council had characteristics where you want the lines at you all you make more ground if you have an alternative to what's proposed. So if there I'm not asking the council set but like you know under what conditions would you support? There's a lot of options on here that don't, you know, not just because it's outside of our future growth area, but even with the understanding of what 10 may or may not become. That just seems like a no-brainer to me that you would put it along the road. It's already existing. Any existing there's nothing that's there. Yeah. I Even if it followed Hamshshire Road a little bit more closely for the duration there, I would have less issues with it. Yeah. And again, this is somewhat based on our conversations, but the reason that they're not going strictly along Hamshire is because of those existing homes don't have to relocate those homes. going to have areas where it has the least amount. Yeah. Right. But no matter what happens, if the line comes on the blue comes into the blue, yes, they have to work with homeowners, but the city of Carver, we don't see any kind of funding or any payment from them because it's not ours. There's nothing in return for us for sitting back So, if we're to work on our messaging, I think you're right. And that we can't say like, "Nope, we don't want it. Have a nice day." It would be better to come and say, "This is what we we'd like to see it. This is the solution that we're suggesting." And I feel like I would rather see it on what is that what's purple called? Route route alternative A. Yeah. Um, and then I'm comfortable suggesting it following your share, but I understand that that work out. So, are you guys comfortable going to the meeting on Wednesday night and reading from this letter and pulling out tag teaming and pulling out talking points? Oh, okay. I've already established childare kids. I am and also I just really want understanding of like what's it why they what's their pros and cons for the different routes and I just need to hear more also from residents and future residents in their areas and businesses and at the risk of being too prescriptive I'd love to see you each individually instead of taking it more voices are better quantities But and I work together on a new letter that we'll submit formally and get that to you prior to I have a question for you and more like an advice. Should I wear a car logo? I mean wear whatever you want but not stupid name tags. So would it also help if we submitted our own letters individually? I think the comment period for this and would you be able GP just a couple different ways. I the strongest point you're have and the public hearing is important but not as important as the letter that we send to great river and so I uh don't look at this public hearing as your last best shot to make change it's a statewide regulatory public hearing so you're already going to be on the record and frankly like the I Imagine a lot of the decision makers are probably going to be in the room because they have a public utilities commission that makes decisions on this. So, um I would rearrange your schedules to try to get here. you have somebody I can certainly go to the public hearing but I don't I don't want to overell this is our one training moment goes to Washington this one of these meetings I think there is just one there is okay the virtual virtual are you able to be at the inerson one I I think I because you work this on a daily basis, you have a lot of background knowledge on it too. If you are available, I I would like to see what that mean. I don't want to blind this. We'll see in like strong terms that this isly objected to by the council. Just knowing how operates be surpris river energy is the company that's going to put in these poles and then is going to electricity that's generated. All right. Do you have Yeah, we'll send some contact information tomorrow and then we'll send some and I'll try to remember to reach out to participate in the virtual. Thank you. Are you going to be able to participate in virtually? Um, I'm not sure. I'm just asking because if the three of you are all going to be on that call, we will have to do some sort of open meeting something. So, for a call to a person because you'll be receiving information from regarding the city as who's planning going to the virtual you. Eric maybe ask him and then we'll be will the There's only two of us that yeah I don't think I'll be able to make it anyways but um does that apply to online have a if it is appropriate probably we just have to Anyway, let us know because we can figure out a way who's going to talk about the process. Somebody can talk about where we prefer to see the line and somebody else can talk about future. I don't know how to figure out. All right. Um, thank you all. I'm happy to see everybody. Um, okay. What we've all been waiting for, the project kickoff for our 10 year fin. feels really far away, but it should be. Thank you, Mayor. So, tonight is just going to be a quick update of what we have in the 10ear financial plan. So, it's a kickoff and yes, you all have been waiting for this. Um, I know. So, the purpose of the plan, just a few reminders. Um, so the purpose of the long-term financial plan is we identifying infrastructure, equipment, and staffing needs for the next 10 years. And it incorporates um the capital that we need and how we're going to finance projects in both the general fund and enterprise funds. So, it's revenue sufficiency and how we're going to set rates for the future um and connection fees that will support operations. And again, this is a planning tool that we're going to use to develop strategies to meet future capital and infrastructure needs. And just a few reminders, um the long-term financial plan is not the budget. We will work be working on the budget as well. Um but it will help us to make decisions on the budget. Um and it's based on certain assumptions that reflect a snapshot in time and actual results that occur, you know, in 2024 or right now. impacts the future of a plan and it's meant to be a guide for council and staff to pivot in response to changes in the economy and the community um you know building trends and different things like that. So, so 2026 updates to the long-term plan. We have assumptions that we update every year and one of those a couple of those are inflation. Um Aaron helps us with the housing and the market value growth and different And then we work with staff on staffing, streets, infrastructure with the engineers, vehicles and equipment, parks, buildings, and facilities. So you guys will be getting presentations um with potential additions and we'll be updating the values of all of those items um and the timing needs and different things like that because things might items might be moved up or you know pushed back and say, "Oh, that equipment isn't needed for another two years." Um, so and because of that, different grades might change. So, here's the staffing plan that we currently have. You guys probably saw this last year. Um, as you can see in 25, we're planning for a mechanic. That's just what the plan says. This might change. Um, and then you can see that there's a general internship plan for 2026. And I'll just leave this up here, but these these are these can change. July first start date. We haven't posted that. This is due to change. Yes. Right. So, a couple like pieces on this. So, the with Andrew kind of come on board uh encouraged and he's going through a process with his team to kind of explore and verify that that need exists and are there other needs or priority over that. Am I explaining that correctly? Yeah. So we're still kind of working through that process. I can also this is kind of the nature of of the staffing plan all the contract deputy I commander lean and for sure that's something that we believe that we can be pushed back and not in 2026. Um but for those of you that follow the process last year I would say that we probably cut maybe a quarter of the positions that we had and staffing prior to that. So, there is quite a bit of change that I'm anticipating, not just by taking that snapshot, but understanding, you know, we're just another year closer to some of these needs and, you know, understanding whether or not these need to be a full-time or part-time. Can we maintain a contract rather than hiring a full-time position just based on uh this feedback through the strategic planning process? you know, I'm unsure about that communication specialist. So, when I have conversation with Brenda and the team on where all the all of these end up in landing a part of this process, not just with the staffing, but every one of these buckets, if you will, if you have initial feedback or you know, whether it's super granular or really high level, uh those are the types of that will be helpful to us as we prepare you know the next dish. Can I ask a question about the internship? Sorry. It's been a really long time since I was an intern. Good age. You're worth 25,000. Is that realistic? Do you have an intern? It's like is that high? [Music] I would say like 25 years. You're not gonna find we're not going to get anybody for a free internship at this level. So you're um we're paying folks 16 17 bucks an hour to pull the lawn. So, I forgot what number I had in there, but I had like four days a week over a period. And um so, I mean, if you're going to find someone with I mean, we looking for like uh upper class, graduate level, internistration, finance, communications, etc. So um and frankly we even with paying that like the inertia or the gravity of like the top kind of producers of internships are going to be in the core metro city. So it'll might be hard but long we might even be under on that but it's a you know again these are all planning numbers right? So why if so why would we be looking for top like top tier out here knowing that they're going to work here for months when we don't have a position that they will we're just going to teach them it and then pay them and then they're going to correct that's what we did with yeah that's I guess that's the nature I don't expect any internships generally I would think that any internships roll into a No, right. I recall that back in the day, but I don't know. It just seemed How long are you expecting that the engine program to be continuous? So, you know, Aaron was interning. She might be here for four months and all of a sudden we have a month break and Andrew comes in, he works six months and it's just a rolling program of interns and so it's not like the summer internship. I'm like you graduate college for three months year round. So it's a program I can do the calculations would be you know bring it back um but 25,000 if you think about that makes more sense because you said the three month you graduate from college you get three months because part of like when I had my program you had to do a yearong internship you know so We the last time we funded this was like maybe 10 years ago. We did three month internships and by the time we got to go home so I decided it was kind of a waste frankly. Um and so in order to if we do this and get the I don't mean like mean it's odd saying like top tier with somebody who's in college but we we want someone who's like serious about it. we find the right person, we'll end up needing more than we're giving because you'll end up having someone with um you know, but amongst kind of a burgeoning like professional experience that can do a lot of things that in a year's time you probably have to pay double that amount to like have it as a full-time employee. Um so well that makes more sense. Thank you. Uh, again, it hit me as like three monthship. Yeah, that'd be I'd sign up for that. Yeah, right. You know, so if you think about it, like it's essentially like $2,000, you know, we're planning for,000 every two weeks. I don't know what that and they're they won't work full time and they'll have days off whatot. So, okay. No, that's fine. Thanks for that. Yeah. Hey, um from my perspective, just a couple of things. So, I I would support flipping fire chief with contracted deputy. Um and I know that that's a bigger discussion that we've had and I know that you all heard me say that before. Um, and then just another perspective, I don't know what we were meeting with uh, Commander W on, but we were talking about the sheriff's department and kind of some of their staffing challenges and he kind of set it up in a different way that I was thinking about it because we're two deputies short right now with the Car Victoria model. We have been two deputies short for it feels like forever. Um, so in addition to the stacking challenges, generally when we get these deputies, they're very new in their occupation. They're new in their career. They're young young people have um starved families, you know, and are out for parental leave. Some of these folks, I think there's a very strong connection between folks who are in the military and folks who go into police work. So we've seen folks for deployments. Um, and he was I forgot how he said it, but it made sense to me of like, if you want four deputies, you'll probably need to have five because there will always potentially be somebody unfortunately getting hurt, throwing off their back or whatever. So, that made sense to me because I was like, why would we need an additional deputy when we don't have the slots filled that we have right now? So, it was kind of this realization of we might never have all the slots filled and kind of looking at it through that why get another one when we can't fill the slots we have is perhaps the wrong perspective to have. So, I just wanted to share that with the group because I changed my view. So, what you wanted to switch one more time the fire chief you wanted to move. So, the fire chief and the contracted deputy is 2026 next year and It's roughly the same financial. So when we say the contracted, how does that differ from what we have now? What does that look like? Oh, you're just funding another one. I I agree with what you're saying, but I don't think we can have a conversation about people being out for various reasons until we get we see a full staff at some point to begin with. Agreed. But been in this role for seven years and I have not seen that and I guess I just don't my concern is that I don't see how funding another deputy is going to fix that problem. It made sense when he said it and I I believe it to be true. If we want four deputies, we probably need to hire five because there will always be one out on leave. there might be vacant continue to be vacancies, you know. So, it's just a lens of looking through things, but it made it it made it easier for me to understand because I was the same way of like why would we need another deputy? We don't we're not fully staffed right now. But for whatever reason, the Car Sheriff's Department cannot fill those roles right now. We'll see if this training class produces anything for the city of Harvard, the cities of Victoria. Um, but I'm not optimistic. But if we have another deputy, then hopefully we'll have another individual in the mix. I'm not saying that. Does that look like No, I I understand completely what you're saying. I mean, it's, you know, it's o over staff a little bit so that when people aren't there, you have full staff. My concern is that it's not like we're down one person right now. We're down two. So we're currently by that model and by that thought process we're over staffing by one as it is. So why would we overstaff by two? Yes. Let's give it some time. We still have this conversation of we're two deputies short in December. Yeah. And then January and then next June. I don't think this is condescending as it's going to come off but like I think maybe then you'll get it because this is not knew that the sheriff's department can't fill those roles. Yeah, I I understand that and it's not condescending. I'm just from my perspective. Um there's a difference between not filling the roles in the first place and then having them filled but having turnover for various reasons. And I think we're more in the form for former category than we are in the latter category. So I don't think that we are I don't think that because we are too dull now that I don't that there's a gap a huge gap on resource. It would be nice certainly to have one more to okay to include an additional one I think is not unne I think it's unnecessary at this point because once we well commander is suggesting that we back they're not the sheriff's office is asking for okay so I mean you're probably I'm probably you're probably going to see a draft that like 2020 or And all these numbers um are going to need a pretty good injection of inflation. Like you're with a fire chief, you're probably looking at, you know, 165 to without benefits. With benefits, you're going to have a salary for a fire chief probably need to be $140,000 benefits of 20 to 25. So, are we just going to remove that um contracted deputy then 125,000? What do we Well, you'll see a proposed plan for the next 10 years. Yeah, but I'm not sure what you're asking. Or are we just going to shift it back later? Like, so what are we going to do with 2026 contract deputy sheriff? Can I move in? I'm going to work with the sheriff's office, see what year they think is appropriate. But I'm guess I'm speculating based on what I know now. 28 29 25 adding up the years. I'm like, how far away is that? I mean, I think there's this is really good discussion. I think one of the things that I've been talking to the team about as I um unless like told otherwise you don't again you'll see so you don't have to on this today but with the I'm trying to squirrel away as much le capacity that I can for the council for public services facilities and so you start fighting off new salary 15,000 a year you know that's a pretty good debt service payment towards a public services facility. And so, similar to the strategic plan, you're going to be in these situations like, okay, can we move forward under the current model and have contracted deputy and some of these other positions later on in the decade or the early part of the 2030s knowing that you're going to make a significant investment in capital facilities? Or do you want to do it reverse? or you can do it together. But I think as you see as progresses with this like you have pavement management plan that's going to need quite a bit of an inusion of like cash to keep up. You know we want to get away from borrowing for equipment so that needs cash. Everyone wants to invest in parks and so again it gets back to the if everything was a priority nothing's a priority. And so we're you know this will probably be one of the tougher 10year plans you have because there as a growing city there are multiple things that are needed. How do they range? Where can you be efficient and cost effective and creative? And so this is very helpful for us. And Courtney, that leads me to my next. So when we've been talking about the fire chief position, we've talked a lot about that 10,000 month. You know, Victoria and Robin as they grow kind of that to me. They're like, "Oh, now it's fine." Um I do not and look at 2026, which is next year to put in a full-time fire chief. Um, we're not their population. It's nothing against anyone who's on the fire department or works in the fire department. I have a lot of respect for all of them. When I look at this though, I moving the fire chief up to next year is too soon. Yeah. So, just where I'm coming from with that, this was kind of before the lens of what you just said about tax capacity. So, Maybe I'll eat all of my words, but Callie sat in here before our strategic planning session and said we could probably use a fulltime fire chief tomorrow. So, just taking his opinion and his feedback is going to come on. So, Brent will have a full uh proposal for you guys for everybody um probably in the next couple months and so your feedback is very helpful. So, be prepared when it comes to priorities. We were just talking about do we have an estimate of what debt service for the public utilities public works building is going to be because every time I look at this that's the big flashing light in the back of my head. I understand that but we can't we can't do a 10-year plan if we don't even have an idea what that number is going to look like. We we can it's just we need a big input from the council on sorry there's a big connected we have some rough estimates but there's 20 bill and so we can give you levy impacts for each um but again we can we can make those federal and narrow in once we if you said okay staff we want a 25 year build out and start with the architect and kind of whittle that number down like get that number down to like we actually have something because it's it's a anxiety kind of written proposition to go like have a concept that says 30 million but all it is is like a box on a piece of paper. I think we need to go through that exercise and say, "Okay, it's going to be a building building out to next year." And then we have like a plan, okay, it's going to cost a hundred dollars and then every year goes up, it's but we can give you some broadstroke numbers. I just think that if we don't even have that number in the back of our head, thinking about what we're what we want to do for staffing, what we want to do these things while still keeping the levy in mind, becomes completely putting the curve for the course of this big huge project. So what we we can put a placeholder number in and say you know and we'll have the way our process is aligned we look for like at your July 7th meeting uh we're asking the council to provide some feedback we'll do an overview listing session and if the council says start your planning processes for XML next year build then we can get public services started, but then we can narrow down it within the context of this 10-year plan. We can put that debt levy in there and then you can see how all the numbers are impacted by that. Um, in my opinion, that'd be the best way to do it rather than showing here's a 30-year build, here's a 50-year build, then you have like this 100 page plan that has three times. I don't want you to do that at all. I'm just saying that I don't we can do exactly what you're asking. Yes. We just need the direction on 20 30 or 50 year. I just don't I don't Yeah. I just I'm concerned that we're going to do all this work on this only to have to completely redo it because we've got No, we want to we want to show you we want to show you where you want to go with that number in mind because that's that's literally the million dollar question that will influence this thing goes up and so here's here's what we currently have for the streets plan. Um this is our pavement management plan that we currently have set. We'll be taking a look at this as well um with any updated numbers that Aaron has. This includes any kind of municipal um state aid numbers and then our local road um improvements as well. These are current numbers for parks. Um, I'll be meeting with Aaron and Andrew to update these assumptions, the timing, the amounts as well. And this is a mixture of our dedication and our park fund, correct? Um, see. Yes. Yep. And then this gets a little bit large, but this is vehicles and equipment. We just received the SCBA compressor stations getting installed right now actually at the fire station. So that's exciting. I met with Cali today to have our meeting one of the CIP. So there's lots of updates to the fire part. So lots of movement will be happening in the next few months about vehicles, equipment, different timings and updates. So, municipal buildings and facilities. Again, the minute we wrapped up the long-term financial plan last year, a bunch of our assumptions and what we thought was going to have been changed. So, lots of movement on this page as well. So, look for new presentations from staff. We'd like to build a public service. Yes, that' be great. That was one of the things I told my wife. It'll be a long sink. Oh, funny. A lot of infrastructure. So, Aaron has been helping with this one. We have oversizing in here. We'll always have that. We need to probably update that assumption. Um, again, we'll be moving all moving parts here. So um probably timing will be moving for some of these for the like public services facility obviously and different things um sewer infrastructure southwest service area we'll be updating some of those assumptions because of known things that we know now today that we didn't know six months ago. So here I'm just showing you some snapshots of the current plan that we have and it shows our rates and our rates are determined by that information that I just showed. And so it shows that, you know, we're planning to update the base rate for sewer next year by $5, which we implemented a base rate this year. Anything that we change in that plan could change these rates. And so hopefully not. You know, I like that we had a plan. You know, if anything, maybe they'll lower them. Cross your fingers because I don't want anybody coming and yelling at us anymore. But we need these rates. support our operations and so that's the whole purpose of this plan. So that's what this is showing you right here. Okay. So sanitary sewer and storm are each weighing up six and what five? That is a big jump. When does this stop? So you'll see and actually it in 28 and 29 it levels up. And so I tell this story to people that come in here and it does hurt right now and I I tell them many I tell this story at least three times a week to customers. Um we're planning this because we have to plan it 10 years out because we're having all of this huge infrastructure and like I always use Courtney's line that this is nothing sexy that we're doing in the water and the sewer. Um and so we're planning for 10 years. if if we only planned out five years, this this would look a lot different and they might have 25% increases because we oops forgot to plan the southwest area or oops, we forgot to plan, you know, the 212 extension. Um, so we're trying to do this. If you can see, you know, we have a 12 and a 19 and an eight, but then if you look further out, it's level at three. And so that's what we're aiming for. We're aiming for that level um, you know, once the growth really kicks in. And just to add on to you'll see val table show 10 years and then it's frankly up to the council. If you don't like the rates that you see then we have go back to the drawing board and make changes and either stretch things out. That's where the tough choices the rates utility side rates on the general side are representations of what we put into the plan. Yes. And so if you don't like the results we go back to the plan with your guidance and see okay we're going to move this to that year and we don't think we need to do this. Um but I think that's when I mentioned this during the strategic plan I think we have a space to have a more robust discussion of that and I think in the past uh there there hasn't been a lot of discussion or we haven't created a space for you to talk about the results in a meaningful way and so that's what we're yeah and I'm supportive of that as well. So, just a a snapshot of the tax impact projections. Strategic plan says, you know, no increase or decrease um over under 3%. So, that's what we're aiming for. That's one of those um items that we put in the plan that we say that's what we want, you know, and that's something you can do for the utility rates, too. Like, I don't want water to go up this, you know, that's what Brent's talking about. Let's work on that. Um considerations for this year is large updates to the plan in the near future may change future strategies. Um public service building timing like when do we want that to happen as um what's that payment going to look like? Things to consider and then debt service levels over the next 10 years. And there were many good questions during this presentation. So thank you and comments. So but if anybody has any more I'm happy to help. addition questions. I have a question. I think it'll be pretty quick on our slide 11. Yeah. With water infrastructure is one of those for this year where you talked about being able to have like um capability to read the meters from a tower. Is that So Andrew and I um and Jordan have been meeting with me who would um come and present that technology. Unfortunately, we're running into a few road bumps with tariffs and different things, but we're hoping to have a presentation um so that you at least know what the what the technology is. Um so there's a couple different steps to that, but I do have a placeholder in here, 95,000 for water, 95,000 for sewer, and that would at least buy us um the technology to upgrade the MXUS, which is the the meter reading technology that goes um from the meter to the outside of the home. So that It would communicate with the towers once we install the towers. Is that the third one down? Yes. Water. Yes. So that's just to purchase those MXU pieces. Just some related council's question presentation. The I don't know which slide it is, but you'll see like the southwest utilities extension, the 212 sewer crossing. The 212 sewer crossing is 4.3 million. Southwest connection is I think total around five, but those are self-contained. So, uh the city's utility rates and connection fees aren't impacted by those. That's the Trump fee. So, those two projects are put into the bucket and then divided by uh the units and paid by development. So, if you and we'll reinforce that again when you see the presentation, but those are kind of off to the side. separate or segregated projects from your Can we like put an asteris next to those or something so that we can remember that when we just because those numbers are any other questions? All right. Yeah. Probably not. Then I'd entertain a motion to I'll make a motion to council. I'll second by council member. All those in favor say I. Motion passes.