you good evening ladies and gentlemen it is now 5:30 and I will call this regular meeting of the Burnsville City Council to order it is now tradition to stand for a moment of silence followed by the Pledge of Allegiance and we invite you to join us I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible for all we continue to look for creative solutions during this global pandemic crisis and so tonight's meeting is being conducted in person all of our City Council members and staff are in the council chambers and practicing social distance members of the public may attend in person if they like members of the public may also watch this meeting online at Burnsville MN gov slash meetings or Comcast channel 16 or 859 if you would like to participate during the meetings remotely you may call six five one three seven two eight two nine nine or join the meeting online at zoom dot u.s. slash join more information is available on our meeting web page and in the council agenda packet the next item on the agenda is our announcements and all of our announcements have to do with our upcoming meetings regular council meetings are scheduled for Tuesday July 21st at 5:30 p.m. and Tuesday August 4th at 5:30 p.m. we move back to Tuesday night to Tuesday's for our August meetings because our night to unite is postponed and we will have that in October we have a work session scheduled for Tuesday July 14th at 5:30 p.m. in July we will have in-person public meetings at City Hall with an option to participate online please check the meeting agenda or call City Hall if you have any questions about how to anticipate in an upcoming meeting and the next item members of the council and our listening audience is that we're going to do a very important presentation and it's the mayor star thrower presentation we usually do this during our all employee meetings however because of COBIT we haven't had any of those meetings and this is something that is very important that we do to recognize one of our staff members so let me do it here and I'm going to wear because this particular so members of the council and community of Burnsville this is the mayor star thrower award of gratitude and appreciation for making a difference during colvett 19 we have transitioned pivoted being flexible and doing what we need to do to serve the community and to make sure that we are transparent and our meetings run smoothly if mr. J golden can step out of the control room mr. golden has been making a difference in the city of Burnsville by going above and beyond during the Cova 19 pandemic to ensure our city could connect and communicate with our residents through Burnsville community TV J your innovation and unflappable aptitude during a very demanding period was of great value to all of us and to the community of Burnsville and I mean you were unflappable when we delivered the state of the city and we had something so down but you kept your cool and it was delivered and I can't thank you enough on behalf of the council and our staff for the work that you have done so please accept the mayor's star thrower because you are a star thrower and and I'm gonna continue okay and I know that you have a little one at red so I'm gonna thank you so much Mike I mean people don't realize the work that goes into this and to do all of this transition and he has been working over and above and exceeded expectations and all of this and Melanie can certainly speak to all of the hard work because in coordinating Zul meetings were not only us but for all of the Commission's for our work sessions and he's there making sure everything runs smoothly and it it was over and above and he has a small family so I thought it was appropriate for us to recognize it so the next item on our agenda is citizens comments and this is the opportunity for anyone to speak to the council and address any items that is not our not on a preset agenda not an application form that will be coming before us out of future date is there anyone who wishes to address the council anyone okay no one no one has called in online so with that we will move on to the next item and the next item is addition to the final agenda and this is for emergency items only miss McCauley are there any emergency items to come before us there are not madam mayor members of the council any emergency items seeing no one and then we will then move on and this is the connects item is the consent agenda the consent agenda is a group of items that is considered to be routine and will be Annett by what motion however an item can be pulled from the consent agenda for separate discussion at home miss mescaline no matter mayor okay and I don't see anything from the public who wishes to pull anything members of the council anyone want to pull an item now I have a motion to adopt the consent agenda please will do proof second because if that makes the motion second bite councilmember Keely all in favor please say aye aye opposed say nay and the motion carries and then we move on to the regular agenda and the first item on the regular agenda is a public hearing and this is to approve an on sale Sunday on sale liquor license for Buck Hill Entertainment Inc doing business as buck 54 Bar & Grille miss Collins is going to be presenting this item thank you madam mayor this is a new on sale in Sunday on sale liquor license for Albert buck health application from buck 54 Bar & Grille this is the former black diamond location an investigation has been conducted on the principles involved and nothing has been found to deny the application the license is contingent upon payment of all fees approvals from building fire and the state this is the public hearing I stand for any questions any questions okay no questions is this a public hearing is there anyone who wishes to speak to this item anyone who wishes to speak to this item see no one I will close the public hearing members of the council I'm talking with the owners of the killed this is going to be a great opportunity for them to expand and do the things that they want to do as Buck Hill so anyone would like to make a motion to add any one of us but yeah yes motion to approve the liquor license application for buck 54 burger lat second and second by councilmember show us all in favor please say aye aye opposed say nay and emotion carries the next item is 5b and missus for Koba 19 and this is the response update our city manager miss Moscone is going to be presenting Thank You Madame mayor and council tonight we have four items standing item are you've been doing a standing Colvin 19 update for the last couple meetings and tonight I've got four items for a four council discussion and update so the first one will start off with a is a current financial impact so earlier this year we walked through some of the impacts of kovin 19 in response to not only additional cost but lost revenue those projections are holding relatively accurate with regards to expenses related to PPE sick leave additional technology we have been able to open some of our facilities so Birnam wood and the Ice Center have reopened and so we are seeing revenue coming in from from those operations which we weren't sure how to project to three months ago so that's good news we are seeing high utilization at Birnam wood and the ice yes the Ice Arena has just begun to be used in the last couple weeks so that's moving in the right direction for us if we take a look at through the end of the year we're anticipating expenses on budgeted expenses at about $500,000 based on the additional PPE the additional expenses that we have right now so that's that's where we're at today all related to cope at 19 so those those are eligible expenses for us indeed all relating at home at 19 which brings us to the cares Act the cares Act is federal legislation that allocated money to states and communities over $500,000 to respond to impacts related to the Cova 19 pandemic the state of Minnesota received an allocation which they then distributed down to all cities counties and townships under 500,000 people in population Duke Ramsey and had been County got direct allocations so recently the states made those allocations we submitted our certification our our allocation is about four point seven million dollars we received those funds yesterday so those month those funds are in our possession and there are parameters under which we can spend those I'm gonna walk through that with you and what we'll be looking for some feedback the state guidelines call for those funds to be spent by November 15th the federal guidelines are they need to be spent by December 31st so if you back it out the state wants those funds expended before the federal guidelines um when we think about how to use the cares Act we've got a couple different allocation options now I haven't I have not listed out every single eligible use here but I've kind of chunked them into categories and one categories internally so those are those direct expenses that I just shared with you that about $500,000 there's also eligibility for eligible excuse me reimbursement for eligible payroll expenses we continue to seek guidance on what exactly that those criteria are we are working with our partners at mlc the League of Minnesota cities Metro C's as well as MMB and the state on those definitions so broadly what we're hearing is that public safety expenses are eligible expenses for a point of context our public safety police and fire expenses for the period of May through the end of the year is approximately 10 million dollars however we're going to be doing some additional review of what would be an eligible expense we want to be certain that we are clear with what the guidelines are additional what I'm calling operational resiliency expenses are eligible for Kerr's dollars and what that means largely is the technology that we might need so the criteria is that we need to spend the money in response to the Colvin 19 ongoing Colvin 19 pandemic we were able to transition to remote teleworking for our staff and we did that very successfully but it also exposed some opportunities for us as we need to continue to have those opportunities to work remotely available so being able to buy the equipment and the systems to help with that as well as even capital expenses such as HVAC improvements would be an eligible expense when I use the term externally for the next category that is thinking about programs that the city could consider to help our community whether that be a business grant residential assistance nonprofit assistance at this point we're seeing that counties and or other non are kind of handling that nonprofit area we're not seeing a lot of City created residential assistance programs at this time most of the cities are looking at creating a business grant program and there might be others so throughout this if the count if the council has questions or feedback or suggestions that you'd like staff to consider please let me know so I talked about this quickly briefly we don't really know the total service resiliency expenses we have our IT and our their staff working on that so we're getting the numbers together the question or the prop the past excuse me the policy that I'd be looking for council feedback on is those external programs we've got a couple different layers here right so the state deed has created a small business grant program applications for that closed on July 2nd generally it's about $10,000 program it's for smaller businesses that are headquartered in Minnesota 50 or fewer employees and a number of other criteria Dakota County is considering their own program they had a meeting earlier today where they're staffed walk through criteria and the board asked clarifying questions so their part their process their program has not been finalized broadly what we're seeing that they're looking at is 20 or fewer employees based in Dakota County of course they are not considering home-based businesses at this time they did discuss earlier today where their payroll would be an eligible expense so there's there's they're still working through the criteria it's my understanding that they're looking to talk about this further at their CDA meeting next week so I'd be happy to send out the criteria that the county has has discussed I'm looking at my notes here real quick to see if there's anything that's about it and then so as we look at our peer communities there are a number of cities that over the last several months had used their EDA funds to create business loan programs or small business assistance programs generally between five to ten thousand dollars different criteria for what assistance those programs would provide with the cares act allocation many communities are looking at whether they'd use these funds to have a grant program and the reason it's a grant versus a loan is as you recall the money needs to be spent by the end of this year so we couldn't there couldn't be a loan payback provision so what we're seeing is 7,500 to $10,000 range seems to be what cities are looking at fourth a small business loan or excuse me a small business grant program so some of the criteria that were seeing consistently among from the state to the county and what among some of our cities are its locally owned or operated so for the deed program it's Minnesota Dakota County will be Dakota County and Burnsville of course would be a Burnsville based business those it to be eligible you need to still be in business so it couldn't be somebody that had shuttered their doors and this these funds would be used to reopen them they need to prove that they were adversely affected by Colvin 19 there are we are seeing that some of them have a minimum or a maximum number of ploys for the county it's about 20 that's their maximum for the state it's 50 state also has carved out into smaller pots of money within their total allocation dollar specifically for businesses with six or fewer employees this the county was considering a maximum annual revenue threshold as one of their criteria consistent is not receiving any other Cure's dollars so if you receive the deed allocation you would be eligible for a Dakota County allocation and if you've received a Dakota County grant Kerr's grant then you wouldn't be eligible to receive the city any city grant so the intent is to try to spread the money out as broadly as possible and then in good regulatory standing so there are additional criteria that could be considered this would be a the council's we'd be looking for your direction whether you'd be interested in having a home based business be an eligible business whether it's a certain criteria perhaps customer facing only retail restaurants those personal services businesses that were impacted by the by the stay at home order perhaps there's a consideration for minority women veteran owned or operated businesses that is a criteria under the state deed program there's also considerations about in eligibility criteria such as corporate owned malt a CH Cheng's the intent is that you know those are those are less locally based franchises are generally accepted if they were local if they're locally owned businesses that derive an income from adult use if they were in default conditions really prior to when colvett was impacting our business community and then some other criteria such as income from passive aggressive passive investments business and business transit transactions that kind of a that kind of a thing so those are some criteria that we'd asked for council consideration on as we craft if if there's a desire to craft a grant program the county has their eligible expenses that they reviewed today was to up to three months of operating expenses including rent and lease payments mortgage payments utilities payments to suppliers or tax payments within the criteria discussed earlier today payroll was not an eligible expense but I think they are looking at that there may be other expenses that the council would like to consider as part of this and as we think about if a program is adopted we'll have to think about selection created ministry of options so we'll think about we've got a very small turnaround time the money has to be out the door by November 15th so we'd need to create an application window based on the criteria that the council would adopt and marketing framework so people are businesses know that this program is available we do need to have an administrative process established if we did once we decide that and we accept applications we would need to consider how we would award those if there were more applications than grant dollars available perhaps a randomized lottery process would be something to consider if there are less applications received we would want to be certain that every application the criteria established by the council of course administrative leave we could do that in house however our staff recommendation is to work with the County CDA or an outside entity to manage this program for us those costs are managing our eligible expenses so we would not be incurring any costs for do taking that approach the CDA we have been in contact with them they have indicated a willingness to have cities kind of fall under their umbrella for administration of this program what that would mean would be the criteria they would like us to have criteria identical to what the county's criteria are that would be seamless for our businesses it would allow for one application process if somebody didn't make it through the county process they could make it through the Burnsville process and make it as quick and seamless as possible however if the council is interested in looking at additional or different criteria we would then look to hire an additional consultant or have somebody else assist us with that again it would be our recommendation that we consider how do we make this as easy to administer as possible for a business community so we keep those costs down the administrative costs down but also keep it streamlined and easy for our local businesses it's a question remember if we did that through the county with the administration but the city money would the city have control of that money or with the county decide where that money's gonna go no indeed councilmember Gustafson thank you good question we would for example the county the council picks a dollar amount that would be for this program those dollars that were determined would stay in Burnsville okay okay now the county is needing to make their decision about how they will allocate throughout the county but those dollars allocated by the city of Burnsville from our four point seven million dollars would stay in Burnsville okay councilmember Schulz if we went with the CDA and we used the same criteria that the county is using and part of that criteria is if they get money from the county they don't get it from us no one would get it from us because the criteria would be the same madam mayor and council I think the county as I as I'm imagining how this will work they will allocate their ten million dollars that's a current dollar amount that I think they're discussing throughout the county in the way they deem possible if there is enough need then somebody if they if they tap out on the county level then they would then be eligible for it the Burnsville money if they're a Burnsville business does that make sense so they would go through the county process first and then those persons who are eligible for the county money but did not receive it because there were not funds would then receive Burnsville money it would be eligible for that yeah that would be the intent that the logistics of it would still need to be determined but that would be the intent is you do have one bucket of money or the other not both okay and what you had before was that what the county was saying they're looking at for their criteria is that firm is it this or this wait you had a list of there we go so I'm gonna go back one slide because this was generally the criteria that was in the state and the county program and the additional criteria was something that we on a staff level laid out I've got the state and the county criteria right here with me so those three additional criteria bullet points the home based business is ineligible it is it is an ineligible expense under the the Dakota County can the hosel but we can add that yeah because I was one who was interested in our home-based business because I'm just pulling up the information that I got from some of our home-based businesses who were who are not eligible for deed and the deed program Madame airs is home based businesses except for licensed childcare providers are not eligible so these are all components that we're looking for your feedback on yes questions at that point if we're going to let the CDA administer our program our criteria must match their criteria that's what they would look that's what their request is and again if we were to choose to have different criteria we would be able to have it administered we've kind of already talked through on the back and how that would work okay so I'm assuming we're all probably in favor of home-based businesses if they're incorporated and they're running a business and they have revenues and expenses yeah because I based it at home versus buying retail space to me it doesn't differentiate me or make me any different that business owner than one that rented these ways and I've heard from a whole lot about home-based businesses and I'm looking at all of the emails that I've gotten from them so and I had shared that with Melanie and no staff so it almost puts us to a position where we would need to hire and consult or maybe use a single cost to us yeah I understand the economy's hiring a consultant for this can't we information for what the county did and that so you don't have every city in Dakota County hire another consultant we can take the best practices out of it and then design our own criteria yeah madam mayor and council that's what we'd be looking to do so the county is looking to hire a consultant to help them with this our thoughts is that if our criteria is slightly different then we would use we would see if this same consultant would be willing to work with Burnsville to do that again there's some there's some efficiencies there's some we could leverage we could leverage that so that would really be our intent is to again try to make as streamlined as possible but meeting the needs that we've established we want to meet councilmember Schultz did you have another question I do so it's looking like these are grants for because they've you know they'd face difficulty what I'm wondering and I believe this is something we've talked about before but I have not talked about because you know sunshine right is that we have either a portion or we have grants that are available for businesses that are looking to change their operations so that they can thrive in the future not just so that they can stand some of the bleeding and that either through these funds or we could look at economic development funds that we would host a consultant that they could bounce their ideas off and do so in a group as well and because sometimes your peers have better ideas - or they're working on something on how they can start to adjust their business models because this does not appear to be a situation that is going to be resolving anytime soon and I you know that's something I would really like to see and I would like to see a grant attached to that and that criteria is that they attend with that consultant like that's the main criteria because if they're willing to do that that's a business that's looking on surviving and thriving and I would really like to help those businesses that just need that extra little nudge to shift how they're doing their business and score is a very good place for that to go and we do have a score function in Burnsville and there are professionals who help businesses with their business plan as they look forward so we've had that discussion with councilmember King and I because we're saying if they're going to thrive in the new economy what's their business plan going to look like and so those professionals are really the professionals that would help help them to move forward with a business plan that's a great score or we are we developing some thought processes of how we work with our Chamber of Commerce and all this because I think they'd be very critical to what we're doing here because they represent more than just their members they represent businesses so there's a lot more outreach they could do in that direction madam mayor and council back to councilmembers Schultz is comment I have inquired about the eligibility of that kind of a program and haven't haven't worked through the details if it's eligible how that would work but we are looking into that because you've asked me some questions about that with regards to the chamber I have an innate a formal outreach I wanted to visit with the council and get your sense before I before I had those conversations okay councilman bikini councilmember Schulz I just want to go back to get some clarity but I like the track that councilmember Schultz was headed on because there's a there's an education piece and a almost like support right for a lot of businesses but I believe what you said was first qualifier is there they're harmed by coke then in some cases it might be just get through it because the business model still works but as you pointed out there's others that need to pivot to a slightly different model and they might need a little help getting there yes and score or this consultant or other resource I mean I think education and resources to help these businesses as important is here's a check great I would just give you money but they're still struggling with how to modify their business model or get healthy again and so those resources I think are equally important as giving them a grant for those who need it I mean the conversation just a touch on what a Maronites about was the the amount of people who seemed to understand the PPP program was quite dramatically larger than the number of people who are in business but had a very distinct lack of understanding of the idol emergency disaster relief one emergency impactor so there's a product there was some funding and it went a hundred and thirty billion unused until it was extended because a lot of people who said well I went for the PPP but I didn't really understand the aisle so there needs to be some education of the federal programs that are out there as well as some business consulting and I think score and other resources like that can play an important role in making sure that this money is well spent to get them healthy again in all different circumstances right and that's what I did with the consultant from the US Conference of Mayors and posted on the Chamber's website to have those businesses access that consultant and it's free through the US Conference of Mayors for them to get some insight into how they can put a plan together to thrive again or to move through COBIT and to look to the future that's a and just if I can follow up you had mentioned the consultant and council member hschultz hit on that like Candis consultant provide this service I'm curious that the consultant is equipped can't provide business or is it really more of an underwriting of loans and in Rance type of specialty so we'll need to find probably take your photography different consultants yeah yeah not the same gadget yeah so finding a resource that can be there right and funding it through this program okay councilmember Schultz you had a follow-up yes I and to make it a little clearer on what I'm what I'm proposing yes different consultant not the same consultant that would be just managing the program that's that's an admin person that's not anything score may be a good resource I don't I don't present we know who is available in score and has I mean we're kind of in a different area on how people need to pivot this is not a normal business process so I I don't know who is available what's you know what specialties they have right now so that may or may not be a resource I do know there are starting to be business consultants that are looking at we're already starting to see some best practices and here's how you can shift and these are areas you can go into so that may be something we look into that maybe we may be able to have the consultant come in and have it paid through brokers or we may not and that may be something we look at with our economic development funds because that would seem to be a good use of economic development funds but I see this as slightly separate and in a separate bucket then then the have you been harmed by kovat they I mean they probably have if they're looking to have to pivot they probably have but I see this as almost a a separate little area off to the side some businesses yeah they just need a little help getting through this period because they are they are able to resume business in a fairly normal way but other businesses are really struggling with I know I can't do business the way I've done that's just not happening I don't know what to do next and that's what I'm that's what I'm looking to help because I want our business community to be able to turn that corner and this is a hard corner to turn so that's that's why I'm looking at at the les is kind of a almost a reimbursable for you know you're you're in the hole so we're gonna try to get you back closer to level and again this is I want them to be able to take that next step so that's the time type of thing I'm looking at for a discussion councilman workman thank you I would like to understand what the additional cost of these consultants would be because if ends up being a significant amount and we're taking away from the dollars that are eligible to be granted they kind of could potentially defeat the purpose of the grant in the first place oh yeah you know we don't probably have that tonight but it might be something to look into as we proceed and then you had mentioned the marketing of this is that also an eligible cost as part of this we probably want to get an idea of what our upfront costs are to establish the program to make sure that we've got enough I'm sure we would but just to kind of get a lay of the land and what then we would have to be left with to administer madam mayor and council uh indeed I I don't know what it would cost to have I'm gonna call it a business coach come in and help with some of that business model so I started off with is that concept even an eligible expense so we haven't had a chance to dig too deeply into what that kind of assistance would look like and who we would partner with and what that would cost so that would need to be work we would need to do with regards to the administration of the program I think that those details are still being worked out but of course we would we would come back to the council with what kind of a full fully burdened cost of any program would be the challenge that we have is we really drawing what the demand is yeah we've had communities prior to the key response developed this kind of a program and that they were expecting you know incredible interests and there there really wasn't and that could be for a variety of factors we might be in a different position today then we were sixty days ago that's a little bit of the uncertainty we have four point seven million dollars allocated to the city of Burnsville we want to make sure that that money stays in Burnsville whether it's reimbursing ourselves paying for the cost that we've incurred or and/or helping our business community or whatever criteria the council deems is important under those eligible expenses or eligible criteria so indeed we would look to spend every dollar we just don't know what the need is now what I will say is this isn't going to be the only chance that we're gonna be talking to you about this I sort of see this as a rolling budget discussion because we'll work on criteria we'll get a sense of what the interest is and if we need to you know shift dollars or shift allocations based on what we've learned we're gonna need to be able to do that so tonight it certainly is not the only time I'm gonna watch your feedback or the only time we're gonna be talking about this this will probably be a standing or an ongoing item for your feedback and direction yeah mr. Misskelley one of the things to just follow up with what you're saying and because I agree with you we don't want to spend money and then lessen the amount that we help our business open to business is a group that we already have a partnership with and they're the ones who also look at business plans for those folks who are new entrepreneurs or are opening a business so if we look at criterias one of the things is that once you get the the dollars you should need to meet with someone like our open to business partner to look at a business plan that looks to the future so we already have that so we won't have to be spending any money for a new consultant because we have the resources and this is it is very beneficial for all of us to look at how we leverage those partnerships council member workman you had us follow up thank you I just wanted to pivot really quick on my last question one of the criteria that I saw as potentially being ineligible was that it had to be still in business I didn't want to leave that completely off the table because if there was a possibility that a business maybe with the help of this grant could come back or if there was a business that closed but was looking at reopening with the help of this grant if there was a way to find if that situation if this was strong enough of a grant to get somebody either back in business under a new corporation or a new setup or to you know Reese Park the flame of something that they just recently closed I could see this being beneficial there too so I don't want to throw that completely off the table as a possibility of somebody that could benefit from this madam mayor goes I'll have to check on whether that's we have the ability to change criterion so I will I will look into that but I'm not certain that something that we can waive I will pour back councilmember Schultz so what criteria can't we change now that now that you're saying that there's criteria we can't change what would that be they need to be adversely affected by Colvin 19 that is a criteria we would not be able to change we couldn't they would need there's there that's part of the application process they would need to demonstrate that they are adversely affected by Colvin 19 as I look through this is still in business one of those hard and fast great qualities that I do not know gets to an unfair timing so my my has had to close and then this program comes out and now I'm eligible yet I closed because of kovat although those who were able to just hang on a little longer they're eligible I get a councilmember workman's pointed shells I think that's an unfair criteria for for people who just couldn't last long enough to wait for this program to come around type of thing right so we'll have to find out from them and councilmember Gustafson did you get York no I have another I I just wanted to get a point of clarification because we're having a you know sort of a work session discussion that's a good discussion but I can see the headline Burnsville has four point seven million dollars is talking about giving out loans and grants to businesses I think we need to report some level of this is just a discussion the idea of the range that we're talking for this program because we do have as you noted a half a million there's some payroll costs yeah so we're not talking about a four point seven million dollar business grant program no no it's something quite a bit smaller than that yeah after these other factors are considered so I just want the headline written to reflect what the context of the size of the program that we we might be talking we might just have to put a range out there that's a little closer to reality rather than we just keep saying four point seven million we're having this business you know subsidy discussion type of thing and I think this is the just a preliminary discussion for staff and for miss Moscone and staff to begin looking at all of this the other thing is that that you haven't mentioned is that the hospital have reached out to me and you about being eligible for some of this grant money because they are an eligible entity in this grant money so they're you know no eligible they have twenty employees are less no they're eligible with some of their expenses so they're coming back with what I thought this was a small business twenty employees or less if I miss mr. Kohli and and because there are some things in the distribution of these cares Act where the hospital is the medical yeah it's a part of it miss Muscovy madam mayor and council Hospital did reach out to us last week I did not bring it up tonight because we haven't received a formal request so there there is eligibility for cures dollars to be allocated to hospitals yes and in fact I think in Ramsey and Hennepin County unspent dollars there do go to those medical facilities they believe that I don't know there's a separate criteria from what we're talking about yes I just wanted you all to know that they did reach out and we told them that they needed to to write a letter to us so that we understand what their expenses are and what they're asking but it's I also said to them it needs to stay at ridges and not M health that's a very large business you should be going to the state and the feds for assistance will see what we told them that you know it's only four point seven eight it might sound really big but it really isn't that's not four point seven because we have we had costs that we had to take care of a city first councilmember Gustafson just a little clarification you had to be a business before February 29th did you have to be a viable and profitable business before then if you if you were on your way out anyways and this just kind of sent you the rest of the way um how do you make that determination well madam mayor and council I'm looking at the state criteria and they you need to be a private for-profit business that has a permanent physical location in Minnesota be majority owned by a permanent resident of Minnesota be in good standing with the Secretary of State and Department of Revenue as of March 1st 2020 employ the equivalent of 50 or fewer full-time employee workers and to be able to demonstrate financial hardship as a result of the Cova 19 outbreak those are the criteria established in the state program you're way out before Kovac started is that gonna eliminate you er I think if you are in business you're in business you're in business yeah yeah just checking yeah okay okay everybody URL all okay council member hschultz okay thank you if you could I think go one more slide forward there we go yeah on the in eligibility criteria good that you clarified that on the corporate-owned if they were a franchise and we had a local owner like they own it that's different businesses that drive income from adult-oriented uses I don't care if it's a legal business it's legal business I'm not gonna go down the list of what my favorite flavor is passive income billboards multi-level marketing property rentals property management you know those are certainly open for discussion you know my I mean my thought is when I'm when we're setting criteria you know I don't want to get I don't want to get too cute with the criteria I mean if they can show kovat if they meet those you know hard things that we can't change can't change it so you know that's how that is and their illegal business I mean I'm I don't want to take in a lot of other a lot of other criteria you know I want to I want to keep it more more open rather than rather than more restrictive because people have some very inventive ways of fitting into the economy so and then the other thing is I also understand that we don't want to be spending things on costs that don't help so if open to business or score someone else has the type of special knowledge that is up-to-date of what our businesses would need that's great if they don't I do think the educational component is important enough that I would advocate going for a business coach and I'll just point out do you ever hear me asking to spend more money so I think it's that important for our business community's survival that we give them the appropriate help the best help that we can because you know when they're they're starting to talk about two to four years this is not six months and they weather it and call it good so that's my concern on this so that's what I'll throw out there and then I'm I'm good okay staff can take a look at all of that and take a look and see and bring us more information because we don't know the complete cost you're just gathering information tonight okay don't remember workmen are you ok you guys are not you know you're still light up at my thing yeah let me talk to members shoulders are still way off ok ok mr. Scalli well so madam mayor if in council if you don't mind I would like to quickly summarize what I heard to make sure that I'm on the right page what I heard is that the council's interested in creating a small business grant program you're looking for clarification of what eligibility we do have discretion over yeah and so I will get clarity for you on that I heard that the council is interested in having home-based businesses as an eligible criteria there also is interest in some sort of a program where we can help a business with I'm gonna call it resiliency or to thrive in the post covet world and that might include direct grant dollars that might also include as part of that some kind of a business plan I'm using somebody along the lines of score or open to business or someone else oh I'll need to I'll come back with some other clarifying questions on what those criteria might be but am I generally on base with what the counts are you looking for yeah okay that is Casa my bikini please this question is for a city attorney item number 200 in eligible these are I know these are just suggestions but is there any laws that would preclude us from even choosing different types of businesses to be eligible for this type of product it's the federal law it seems the ability of question of equal protection on a grant program yeah any application of those restrictions so yes I mean that is one of the things that you'd want to be aware of or sensitive to and evaluating those those criteria are degree I don't think we can pick and choose the winners medically so that is one of the in eligibility criteria outlined by Dakota County there are a number of others so I will get clarification on our ability to be more restrictive what I believe I'm hearing from the council's we're not interested in having a category of type of business no I think if we stick closely to the federal law and the state criteria we'll be okay remember one thing we need to get this money out the door by November 15 yeah so there's a lot of work that staff has to do to put all of that together and then to come back to us in terms of a consultant that our own consultant if we can leverage with other a consultant that would take in some of the cities that have different criterias from from the CDA what I wanted a very business in good standing you're contributing to the society and right yeah yes what I'm hearing the city man city attorneys they might be challenging the county on that criteria whether the county used you noted that second item is something that came from the county yes the Kony's criteria and their game is they have not adopted anything businesses for which they have carved out as ineligible okay don't remember workman so I don't mean the money the water's more on that topic but if somebody has a business who's a day trader or buys storage units and sells them on eBay I mean are those technically eligible businesses for this or should it be you know a consumer based business that provides goods and services for the general public so I think there might be a question to ask there but I don't know step we'll find out from the state well it I think that I mean if somebody made a bad investment lost their shirt cause it Kobe I mean what it should be a it should be the criteria is locally owned and operated with a physical location whether owned or leased located in Burnsville criteria it's it's really just investing a passive investing not any business even though that could be their business right there could be their income derived from that but if you're trading for other people now that's where the gray area kind of comes Center but I suppose we'll come back with yeah and it's gonna be staffs recommendation that we have this as simple as possible because I understand that there can be many what-ifs with this we're living in a world of what-ifs we have been for several months now and a lot of uncertainty we need to get the money out and there's a lot for us to get in place before we can turn those checks over so oh I'll urge simplicity okay let me check because my colleagues are not thank you did you want to speak do I I thought you'd shut it off if you press it one more time yeah okay just do this hue red to green when you hit that button and then it turns off laughter it doesn't it doesn't it just stays right on cue it's mescaline um thank you madam mayor I'm gonna go to my next slide note my next slide next steps um I am curious if council it has any sense at this point a dollar amount that they may want you may want us to be identifying for a small business grant program again the state allocated sixty million the county is looking at and again they haven't finalized that dollar amount what we're seeing with other communities who have set up these kinds of programs ahead of the cares Act they were allocating between a hundred and two hundred fifty thousand dollars yeah but I don't know if you have a sense of of that four point seven million dollars when we back out expensing it another eligible cost what amount would you like to have kind of us to pencil in for a grant program is what I'm looking for some help with members of the council I want to understand I want to understand how much money is left after we take care of the city and then I think we can go because if I heard you correctly there were seventy five hundred and ten thousand yeah so those are the parameters that I heard from other cities seventy-five two to ten thousand but how many do we want to the other question is how many businesses do we want to help you know and how much you know they need and so I just first of all want to make sure that the city is taken care of and then what is excess and then I can but we've seen seventy five and ten thousand so I'll go to councilmember Cillian and councilmember Gustafson back to the request by our phenomenal Fairview bridges hospital I know I understand in speaking with our city manager today that were the host city and so they're asking us where do people go in Apple Valley Lakeville Rosemont savage prayer lake Oakland Newmarket to the hospital I believe that the hospital needs to ask every single city south of the river that they serve for some a request for some of their cares act money to assimilate may be a number that is more indicative of what they truly need because we we're not gonna do it as a single City and we you know the hospital serves an entire region in the entire region shall be considering contributing if they want to as we're gonna consider obviously helping the hospital out because I'm sure Apple Valley would like to see Fairview richest survive same with savage and Lakeville and Rosemont and and all these others say apparently they all want to see that the hospital is gonna survive this and so every city should be to me that's what we should be replying to them is make that letter out to every single city south of the river because you serve every city we will make that will send that to the folks that and I'm trying very hard to go M health bridges oh that's what it's formal yes right now in my mind I think we need to see what's left after the city's made whole what we're doing and take the rest of the funds and put it toward whatever programmer and I do and if we don't get enough response then we add another program until we spend all the money down we may move on from the businesses to helping some homeowners that need help or renters that need help or whatever but this whole thing is about about helping people have been affected by komen so just keep going until we've spent down the money and I would also ask that we get eligibility for individuals I think I read something about individuals who have been impacted by kovat in some of the eligible cost I think some was their rent money and utilities in some of the documents that I read but I think if you can take a look at that because that's there individuals are eligible sure madam mayor and council I believe there's about a hundred million dollars of state allocation towards rental and housing assistance I also believe that there might be some other additional money coming down to some of our nonprofits that typically help with rental assistance and whole motor systems are probably individual good and assistance so again there's there's kind of a lot of irons in the fire here but those programs are being reviewed I don't want any money back until everything needs to be spent by November 5th group November 15 is yeah and then if it's not all spent yeah December 31st is when my understanding is at after November 15th our allocation would go actually back to the county and then it would go this to this date the state when it sort of led back to the feds after December 31st couple different layers here we're like were like no man no not back to the feds yeah once you recover stolen goods you hate them okay miss Moscone this we will be coming back to the council thank you very much for your feedback I appreciate it and if there's anything else certainly let me know were you looking for a number from all of us or were you looking just for some samples I was looking for counsels thoughts on if we were to vet to develop a grant program what that number might look like in aggregate not necessarily per individual grant not 7,500 or 10,000 but more of an aggregate number yeah that way we would again we're moving numbers around we're doing some math here that would give us a sense of are we talking what's the range and depth and breadth that the council is interested in considering because I want to make sure I understand your expectations yeah well I think the number that most like the county and every it's around $10,000 no I think she's looking for a total number out of the 4.7 that we would allocate for this program yeah cuz I need to understand what what what we need to make sure we take care of the city first and interpreted that I just we haven't heard from everyone else yeah I say once we take care of things that we hear then what's ever left we go into this program it's there's no really room prayer anywhere else for it to go but for an additional program that we haven't discussed tonight so once we've taken care of everything we need then that number is the number I have in my head you know I see 10,000 as the floor not the ceiling for many businesses a little bit of grant would be about the same as no grant at all and if we're trying to not just have them completely go underwater but push on into the future and hit that next level I'm almost leaning towards fewer grants but a higher number so I'm thinking more around the line of 20,000 my guess is that after tonight's meeting we will be hearing a great deal from all of our business for sure folks I think you answered correctly you would give enough response to okay I said whatever we don't spin at the city stays in Burnsville it's a Burnsville allocation for my answer I'm going to ask another couple questions okay because of my bikini how much if the payroll becomes the city public safety payroll becomes a qualified cost recovery item that could as you note it could be as much as 10 million which is exceeding our are available mm-hmm that to me when we say take care of the city becomes the biggest swing number out of that four point seven we could in theory if we have hard costs a total let's say by the time this is all done for 2020 maybe it's a million dollars so there's 3.7 left - then say are we gonna how much of that we're gonna put into this program how much are we gonna put toward our public safety payroll that public safety payroll number is the biggie of the group and it could the size of this program depending on what we decide this program size is so I want to inject that in to councilmember workmen and councilmember Gustafson is once we take care of the city that's the $64,000 question it was a number that we're going to quote take care of the city because one of them is the number that might be qualified for expenses is far greater than the amount we have the rest of them are far less than the amount we have and so I think we it's more about defining what we believe is a good number to put into this program and I expressed to a city manager Lee earlier and my one-on-one meeting that I'm probably I know that other cities have mentioned 150 or 200 thousand I'm more of a half a million range as what I see needing to go into this but we're all just guessing we might put a half a million aside and only 150 and applications comes in we don't know so my question is whatever we do put aside if there is excess that does not get granted out are we before that November date able to then take that excess back and put it toward like for instance the public safety payroll if if that's what we end up doing yeah madam mayor and council that that's yes I think the short answer is yes we are we are going to be kind of doing a continual budget for the next couple months as we roll out programs as we get further clarification on the eligible expenses and as we have additional framework on a grant program so I can understand not knowing what that number is what is it ten thousand is it a hundred thousand is it a million that's kind of the range I was looking for it but it's understanding that we're not done with this conversation there's still a lot more work that we're doing this is a touch point with the council I've gotten a lot of very good information and we will be reporting back in two weeks what what we've taken from today and because come August we have to set the min/max tax for September the September meeting yes that would be a work session 25th that we will talk max text and we'll walk through the implications on this year's budget we'll talk through the fund balance we'll talk through the cares allocation because they are all interwoven together yes all okay much more to come but I want to make sure I'm answering the questions you have tonight so we're well prepared when we will report back to you in two weeks got to member hschultz and just for clarification my number of 20,000 was not a total amount yes really freaking cheap so I'm just making it clear that you know that was a per grant so okay council members are you said your manager motion yeah city manager Lee this was very helpful Thank You council member and they earn council members I do have a couple other quick updates for you and then we will we can be move on from the cares and the kovat discussion with respect to recovery we are in phase 2 we have reopened on City Hall to the public last week and as you can see we have done some site enhancements as well as for safety and health for the community we still have quite a bit of staff that is working remotely and we will continue to do that as we continue to provide seamless service to the community we have some staff that remain rotating schedules with the reopening of Birnam wood and the Ice Arena we have done some seasonal hiring because I was full time staff that we have reallocated are back to their primary responsibilities and then we have been able to reimagine some of our events and programming we have opened up softball we actually have a hundred and fifty five teams for adult softball which is really down by only about 10 to 15 teams from typical years so I'll give great kudos to our staff for their creativity and perseverance through this because we've been able to pull a lot of our programs back out to the community ahead of us and of our other peers so they've done a very nice job we will continue to work into step three of recovery which is reimagining how we do public service so more to come but certainly adds and if you hear feedback feel free to pass that along and then the final item before council today is with respect to masks we've gotten a handful of emails from members of the community either advocating for or against a mask mandate there are some communities that have chosen to take an approach there are also some businesses that have chosen to take approach with regards to mandating masks within this this page right here I just really do kind of high-level overview of what some communities have been doing what we heard earlier today is that the state of Minnesota the governor it's on the table to consider a mandate they will call it a special session number two next Monday and so I apparently can't spell feedback but I'm looking for counsel and feedback or discussion on this item as and if we get questions from the community so we can we can follow up if there's any additional information you'd like to provide for us so that's that's what I have for you on masks just get more information the Minnesota mayor's together group will be talking with the governor on the whole issue of masks today we had a meeting with Commissioner Grove on this same issue and both the governor and the legislature I understand are going to be discussing this item so let's see what the governor and the legislature would have to say about this it's note from then a smoking issue that we dealt with where we said you know it's better to do that from the state rather than city to city and I think one of the things that I brought to Commissioner Grove today is making sure that we have good data if you're going to and if you go statewide make it more state and regional with good metrics and data because today the mayor of Ely they're doing things differently and they are their businesses are open their hospitality because they have cabins and all of that and it's full and they haven't experienced any more cases so we need to just look at that data and then it can be done I also asked if it was going to be statewide that there should be a good model guidance that businesses can use so that they can if they didn't want to be the blame they can say you know this is something that we got from the federal government from the state government or whatever so they were going to take a look at that but I think at this time I would just like to pause and wait and see what the governor and the legislature going to do tomorrow that answer yeah I'll start with you since I was on this side earlier so it's kind of celebrity well there I there's plenty of rumors going around the announcement tomorrow will likely have a mask at the from the governor so we may all have this this issue resolved yeah okay council member Schewel you know I I think on matters such as this there should be everything should be reverting to local control and I think cities need to be advocating for local control we know our residents and we know our businesses and we know our particular situation so I you know having one-size-fits-all coming down from on high it means that no size fits anyone and as far as locally I mean I don't know about anyone else but I trust our businesses and I trust our residents and they do not need me or anyone else to be their parents so that's that's my that's my view on that when the art when the MLC mayor's met with the governor i had asked that the governor that he partners with mayors and cities because to your point we know our businesses better than anybody else yes and we can work with them but what they can do in order to help our businesses is to have a model guidance for them to follow long as it's voluntary I think that's great it's yeah it's voluntary its but it there's something that they can take and use but so my request to the governor when we met last time was to partner with us because every Burnsville Lakeville Savage Apple Valley Eagan south of the river we're different from north of the river you'll see that Minneapolis st. Louis Park Edina sort of follow a different and then you to Bloomington so we're all different even though we are regional so we need to take a look at that and slowly we made that point with the governor and so it'll be interesting to also then take a look and see with this new with this meeting this is the mayor's from all of Minnesota with the governor on on Friday so I'd say let's see which road they take but I hope is that they oh they'll hear that we do want local control but partner with us partner with us yes the partnership would be yeah I would be refreshing yep okay anybody else I don't think that's No thank you mr. Lee madam mayor and council thank you that's all I had for you this evening okay thank you members of the council there are no other items to come before us this evening he's not lit up thank you workman did you want to speak no do you want a gern move to motion to adjourn there are no other items to come before the body have already madam mayor but I will defer to my colleague if you would like to do it move to adjourn second there's a motion and a second all in favor please say aye aye aye opposed say nay motion carries good night and thank you for being with us