. >> GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE MAY 22ND 2025 MEETING OF THE BLOOMINGTON PLANNING COMMISSION. THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS MADE UP OF SEVEN VOLUNTEER MEMBERS EACH APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND WE ARE ALL VOLUNTEERS. THE THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS ADVISORY TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR MOST ITEMS THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAS FINAL DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY. THERE ARE CERTAIN APPLICATIONS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY APPROVE OR DENY ON ITS OWN . WE HAVE NONE OF THOSE ITEMS THIS EVENING. FOR EACH ITEM THERE WILL BE A STAFF REPORT. THERE WILL BE A CHANCE FOR THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK AND THEN ANY CHANCE FOR THE MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY ON ANY ITEMS THAT REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING? OUR FIRST ITEM OF FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS THIS EVENING IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. PLEASE STAND IF YOU ARE ABLE I BELIEVE IT'S TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL RIGHT TO START THIS EVENING OUT WE HAVE ONE MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION WHO IS GOING TO RECUSE HIMSELF FROM ITEM TWO AND THEREFORE I AM GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO REORDER THE AGENDA. WE WILL STILL START WITH ITEM ONE. WE WILL THEN MOVE TO ITEM THREE WHICH IS A STUDY ITEM ITEM FOR A STUDY ITEM AND FINISH OUT ON ITEM TWO WHICH IS A STUDY ITEM. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND SECOND RIGHT EMOTION IN A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I THOSE OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES AND ON TO ITEM ONE WHICH DOES HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING THIS IS A PRIVATELY INITIATED CODE AMENDMENT TO ALLOW HEALTH CLUBS AS A PERMITTED USE IN THE C. S ONE ZONING DISTRICT AND BLEND PLANNER HAS PACKED YOU HAVE THE STAFF REPORT. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. SO THE FIRST ITEM LIKE THE CHAIR STATED IS A PRIVATELY INITIATED CITY CODE AMENDMENT TO ALLOW HEALTH CLUBS AS A PERMITTED USE IN THIS YES ONE ZONING DISTRICT. OH OKAY. SORRY MY POWERPOINT JUST EXITED OUT COMPLETELY ONE SECOND . OKAY HOPEFULLY IT WORKS THIS TIME. OKAY. SO OUTLINED IN RED IS A SPECIFIC PROPERTY WHERE THE HEALTH CLUB WHICH IS PROPOSED TO BE A JUJITSU ACADEMY IS PROPOSED. THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED C. S ONE COMMERCIAL SERVICES AND GATED COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL. IT'S JUST NORTH OF INTERSTATE 494 AND EAST OF HIGHWAY 100. YOU CAN SEE ON THE RIGHT THERE'S A FLOOR PLAN AND 6156FT OF THE BUILDING ARE PROPOSED TO BE USED FOR THE HEALTH CLUB WITH THE OTHER PART OF THE BUILDING BEING INDUSTRIAL AS FAR AS PARKING GOES, HEALTH CLUBS REQUIRE ONE PARKING SPOT PER 250FT AND FOR THIS INSTANCE IT WOULD REQUIRE 25 SPOTS AND THERE'S 42 ON SITE. THIS IMAGE SHOWS THE PARCEL ZONED CHS ONE AND READ THERE ARE 38 PARCELS IN THE C. S ONE ZONING DISTRICT AND SO I'M JUST GOING TO READ A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT THE INTENT OF THIS YES ONE ZONING DISTRICT IS IT'S TO PROVIDE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF SERVICE USE NEAR FREEWAY INTERCHANGES AS WELL AS THE PROVISION OF FOOD LODGI, AUTOMOTIVE SERVICE, MOTOR VEHICLE FUEL AND OTHER GOODS AND SERVICE AS A PRINCIPAL USE WITHIN THE DISTRICT. HOWEVER OTHER USES WHICH ARE INTERRELATED TO THOSE USES ARE APPROPRIATE SO STAFF FEELS THAT HEALTH CLUB IS INTERRELATED TO THE LISTED USES PERMITTED IN THIS DISTRICT. ADDITIONALLY, MOST OF THE PARCELS KIND OF SHOWN HERE ARE LIKELY LOCATED ALONG 494 WHICH PROVIDES FEWER TRAFFIC CONCERNS. >> NOW YOU CAN SEE THE DEFINITION OF THE HEALTH CLUB SO WE HAVE A PRETTY EXPANSION EXPANSIVE DEFINITION FOR HEALTH CLUB. IT'S WHAT YOU WOULD TYPICALLY THINK OF AS YOUR BIG BOX GYM BUT COULD ALSO BE SMALLER GYMS OR STUDIOS AND THIS SPECIFIC PROPERTY FOR TONIGHT THAT THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING AT WOULD FALL UNDER THE MARTIAL ARTS CATEGORY IN THIS DEFINITION THIS MAP ALL THE COLORED PARCELS ARE SHOWING THE PARCELS THAT HAVE ALLOWANCES FOR HEALTH CLUBS IN THE CITY AND THEN THE TABLE KIND OF ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT SHOWS THAT THERE'S A PRETTY EXPANSIVE LIST OF WHERE HEALTH CLUBS ARE PERMITTED A PERMITTED LIMITED USE OR PERMITTED ONE LOCATED NEAR CERTAIN TYPES OF ROADS HEALTH CLUBS ARE VIEWED AS HAVING MINIMAL USES, NUISANCE CONDITIONS AND THEREFORE STAFF FEELS COMFORTABLE ADDING THEM AS A PERMITTED USE TO THE C. S ONE DISTRICT. AND SO WITH THAT THERE ARE NO SPECIFIC FINDINGS FOR THIS TYPE OF APPLICATION BUT STAFF FINDS THIS CHANGE TO BE APPROPRIATE BASED ON THE INTENT OF THE C. S ONE ZONING DISTRICT AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL THROUGH THE FOLLOWING MOTION ON THE SCREEN I'M AVAILABLE R QUESTIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER COOKED ON? THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. MRS. PECK, AS I READ THROUGH THE STAFF REPORT IT SEEMED TO ME THAT A HEALTH CLUB OF THIS NATURE REALLY ISN'T IN CONFLICT OF ANYTHING. SO FOR THE PEOPLE WATCHING AT HOME WHY DON'T WE JUST ALLOW IT EVERYWHERE? >> CHAIR COMMISSIONER COOK THEN I'LL KIND OF GIVE MY BEST ANSWER TO THAT. SO ONE REASON COULD BE THAT WE DO WANT TO SAVE CERTAIN TYPES OF BUILDINGS FOR OTHER USES LIKE I KNOW WE HAVE PROTECTED INDUSTRIAL ZONES WHICH ARE MEANT FOR SPECIFIC MANUFACTURING OR INDUSTRY. YEAH I THINK ALSO YOU KNOW WE DON'T ALLOW IT IN LIKE RESIDENTIAL ZONES FOR SPECIFIC REASONS. YEAH AND I DON'T KNOW PLANNING MANAGER JOHNSON IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO THAT PLANNING MANAGER JOHNSON ANYTHING TO ADD? I THINK EMILY DID A GOOD JOB. THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD IS THAT YOU KNOW, CERTAIN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS ARE MORE INTENDED TO FULFILL DEVELOPMENT GOALS AROUND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT OR HIGHER INTENSITY OR VERTICAL DEVELOPMENT. SOME HEALTH CLUBS NECESSITATE ACCESS TO AN ARTERY OR COLLECTOR ROAD DUE TO HIGHER TRAFFIC VOLUMES AT CERTAIN TIMES. SO FOR EXAMPLE THE B ONE OFFICE ZONING DISTRICT WHICH IS A MORE RESTRICTED, MORE LIMITED COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT MIGHT NOT BE A GOOD FIT FOR A HEALTH CLUB BUT OVERALL I RECOGNIZE AND AGREE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS QUESTION THAT OVERALL WE DO WANT TO PROMOTE THESE USES. THEY DO BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY IN A VARIETY OF WAYS. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE WITH THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, I THINK EMILY COVERED EVERYTHING BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS I'D BE MORE THAN WILLING TO ANSWER AS FAR AS BUSINESS INTENT OR IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND COME OVER TO THE MIKE AND JUST INTRODUCING YOURSELF THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> SURE. MY NAME IS DAMIEN HERTZ. I'M THE OWNER OF 7930. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING TO PURCHASE THE BUILDING AND I'D BE THE TENANT THAT WOULD BE INSIDE THE BUILDING. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT I HAVE A QUESTION. SURE. THE USE THAT IS DIRECTLY ABUTTING THIS PROPOSED USE LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM THE THE CONVERSATION THE OTHER TENANT YES. YES. THE OTHER TENANT IS ACTUALLY YOU DON'T A HIGH SCHOOL THEY DO THEIR HIGH SCHOOL PLANNING FOR THEIR EVENTS AND THEIR GRADUATIONS SO THEY USE IT VERY SPORADICALLY. THEY'RE IN THERE A FEW TIMES A YEAR IF THEY HAVE AN EVENT FOR THE FOR THE STUDENTS THEY'LL GO IN THERE AND DO DECORATIONS AND THAT SORT OF THING. IT'S MOSTLY WAREHOUSE SPACE AND YOU'VE HAD CONVERSATION, YOU'VE BEEN IN CONVERSATION. YES. YES. YEAH. THERE ARE QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I GUESS I WILL OFFICIALLY OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO TESTIFY ON THIS ITEM CAN COME UP AND SIGN IN AND INTRODUCE THEMSELVES . >> PLANNING MANAGER JOHNSON IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE LINE WHO WISHES TO CONTRIBUTE NOW? CHAIR ALBRECHT I BELIEVE EVERYONE ONLINE IS CITY STAFF RIGHT? SEEING NO ONE IN THE ROOM WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY NO ONE ON ONLINE LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SO MOVED. SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I. I I THOSE OPPOSED MOTION PASSES ON TO DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER COLTON SEEMS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD MADAM CHAIR IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD USE AND A GOOD USE OF AN EXISTING BUILDING. HAPPY TO HAVE A NEW TENANT MOVING HERE AND I'LL BE SUPPORTING THIS AND I WILL ECHO THAT AS WELL. MY ONLY HICCUP WITH THIS AND IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO SWAY MY DECISION ON IT AT ALL IS THE IDEA OF A NUISANCE IN IN THE HEALTH CLUB AREA. I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A HEARD OF SOME GYMS GOING INTO MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES WHERE THE MUSIC OR WEIGHTS OR THINGS LIKE THAT MAKES A LOT OF NOISE. THIS SEEMS LIKE A MUCH MORE APPROPRIATE FIT BUT THE IDEA THAT HEALTH CLUBS REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY NUISANCE WE PROBABLY SHOULD BE CAREFUL OF THAT TOO BECAUSE I KNOW SAUNAS ARE LISTED AS WELL. THAT COULD BE ALSO AN ISSUE WITH THE THE THE GREATER INTEREST IN SAUNA ING AROUND OUR STATE ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR JUST ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. ANYONE WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION? >> COMMISSIONER COATS MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE TO RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT AN ORDINANCE TO ALLOW HEALTH CLUB AS A PERMITTED USE IN THE C. S ONE COMMERCIAL SERVICE ZONING DISTRICT, THEREBY AMENDING CHAPTER 21 OF THE CITY CODE. SECOND, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I. I THOSE OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES THIS ITEM WILL MOVE ON TO THE JUNE 30TH MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL AS A PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TO ITEM THREE ON THE PRINTED AGENDA WHICH WE WILL CALL ITEM TWO WHICH IS CONSIDERATION OF THE APPROVAL OF THE MAY 8TH MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SYNOPSIS AND I DON'T HAVE IN FRONT OF ME WHO WAS AND WASN'T THERE CHAIR ALBRECHT ALL MEMBERS WERE ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT EXCELLENT. ANYONE WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION ? COMMISSIONER WHITE. MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SYNOPSIS FROM MAY 8TH 2025 AS PRESENTED. >> SECOND ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I THOSE OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES ITEM THREE WHICH IS ITEM FOUR ON THE PRINTED AGENDA IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION POLICY AND ISSUES UPDATE PLANNING MANAGER JOHNSON YOU HAVE THIS ITEM. THANK YOU CHAIR ALBRECHT I'LL JUST PROVIDE A UPCOMING SNAPSHOT OF PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS BEFORE YOU ON JUNE THE 5TH THERE'LL BE A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE SIGN CODE LOOK BACK ORDINANCE PART TWO THAT'S THE SECOND PART OF YOUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSION ON UPDATES TO THE CITY'S SIGN ORDINANCE. THE SECOND ITEM ON THAT AGENDA WILL BE AN UPDATE FROM PORT AUTHORITY STAFF ON THEIR COMMERCIAL NODES STRATEGY. IT IS A LISTED PROJECT ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WORK PLAN. THE PORT AUTHORITY COMMISSION RECENTLY GOT AN UPDATE ABOUT THE CITY'S EFFORTS TO TRY AND MAKE IMPROVEMENTS AND INVESTMENTS AT SOME OF THE CITY'S COMMERCIAL NODES. ON JUNE THE 12TH A STUDY ITEM IS PLANNED TO DISCUSS THE NORMANDALE LAKE DISTRICT PLAN AND GUIDANCE THERE IN TO CONSTRUCT A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OVER NORMAN DALE BOULEVARD AT THE NORMAN DALE AND 84TH INTERSECTION. SO THAT PRESENTATION WILL BE PROVIDED BY THE CITY'S TRAFFIC AND ENGINEERING STAFF AND SUPPORTED BY PLANNING SUPERVISOR DAKOTA CASSIDY ON THE JUNE 26TH MEETING AGENDA DRILLING NOVARRO FROM THE CITY'S PLANNING AND HRA STAFF WILL PROVIDE DELIVER THE ANNUAL HOUSING REPORT TO YOU AT THAT MEETING AS WELL AS PROVIDE A PRESENTATION ABOUT THE HOA STUDY WHICH WAS ANOTHER LISTED PROJECT ON THE WORK PLAN THIS YEAR. SO THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE FOR YOU ON THE UPCOMING PLANNING COMMISSION NEXT THREE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDAS. THANK YOU. HE WON'T HAVE ANY ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION I WILL ADD WE DID INTERVIEWS WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS OR FOLKS WHO ARE INTERESTED IN SERVING ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS OF JULY 1ST LAST EVENING THERE WERE A LOT OF REALLY FANTASTIC CANDIDATES, A LOT OF REALLY GREAT FOLKS RAISING THEIR HAND TO VOLUNTEER FOR THE CITY. SO WE DEFINITELY APPRECIATE THAT AS MY TERM IS ENDING AT THE END OF JUNE AND I'M I'M HAPPY TO LEAVE IT IN THE HANDS OF SOME REALLY GREAT ALLIES CANDIDATES. THAT ITEM WILL BE ON THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA FOR JUNE 2ND TO OFFICIALLY APPOINT THOSE THAT WE HAVE RECOMMENDED. OBVIOUSLY THE CITY COUNCIL MAKES THE FINAL DECISION BUT WE LOOK FORWARD TO WELCOMING THE NEW FOLKS TO THE COMMISSION WHEN THAT HAPPENS. COMMISSIONER HICKTON MADAM CHAIR, IF YOU'RE READY TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT YES, ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM THESE THIS ITEM DUE TO A CHANGE IN CIRCUMSTANCES STARTING IN 2025 AND THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. TEN IT'S JUST I THINK TBD HE SAYS HE CAN DECIDE WHERE HE GOES. LOOK, ALL RIGHT. ITEM FOUR WHICH IS ITEM TWO ON THE PRINTED AGENDA IS A STUDY ITEM. IT IS ABOUT THE AIRPORT PARKING STUDY AND PLANNING SUPERVISOR CENTENARIO YOU HAVE THE STAFF REPORT. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR COMMISSIONERS YEAH. SO WE HAVE WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON A STUDY FOR AIRPORT PARKING AND IT MIGHT SEEM LIKE A MUNDANE TOPIC BUT IT'S A REALLY COMPLICATED ISSUE THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN DEALING WITH OR NOT DEALING WITH FOR WELL OVER 30 YEARS AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF PREEXISTING CONDITIONS AND HISTORY THAT WE COULD GO INTO BUT WE'RE CHOOSING NOT TO BECAUSE WE'D BE HERE FOR HOURS . SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE GOALS OF THE STUDY WHICH WERE ADOPTED BACK IN NOVEMBER. SOME SOME DETAILS AS ABRIDGED DETAILS OF EXISTING CONDITIONS AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO WHAT OUR PLANS SAFE THAT ARE RELATED TO AIRPORT PARKING BOTH REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING AND HOTEL AIRPORT PARK WHERE OF WE HAVE TWO DISTINCT USES THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT. OF COURSE THERE'S THERE'S BENEFITS AND CHALLENGES TO AIRPORT PARKING. WE'LL TALK A BIT ABOUT NATIONAL AND LOCAL DYNAMICS SUMMARIZE SOME OF THE OUTREACH THAT WE'VE DONE AND THEN PROVIDE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. WE'LL DO IT AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS. SO FROM THE BEGINNING WE HAD SEVERAL GOALS OF THE STUDY THAT WERE ULTIMATELY ADOPTED IN THE SCOPING DOCUMENT BUT WE WANTED TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND FUTURE INTEREST AND REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING. WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE TWO MAIN REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING OPERATORS CURRENTLY IN THE CITY PARKING GO AND PARKING FLY. THEY'VE BEEN IN OPERATION FOR QUITE A LONG TIME BUT THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY BUSINESSES THAT WISH TO OPERATE THIS TYPE OF FACILITY. WE WANTED TO DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATENESS AND COMPATIBILITY REVIEW GUIDANCE FROM THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEN ALSO THE ASSOCIATED PLANS MAINLY THE SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT PLAN AS IT PERTAINS TO AIRPORT PARKING. WE WANTED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT HOW OTHER COMMUNITIES DEAL WITH AIRPORT PARKING WHETHER THEY ARE PERMISSIVE, PROHIBITIVE OR SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN AND THEN DETERMINE HOW AIRPORT PARKING SHOULD BE REGULATED IN THE FUTURE INCLUDING WHERE IT'S ALLOWED, WHETHER THERE'S A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL OR MORE PRESCRIPTIVE STANDARDS. SO AGAIN, SHOULD WE SHOULD WE ALLOW THIS WE MORE PERMISSIVE AND IF WE ARE OR WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? SO WE'LL TOUCH ON EXISTING CONDITIONS AGAIN I MENTIONED PARKING GO JUST A MINUTE AGO AND SO BOTH OF THE EXISTING REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING FACILITIES ARE IN OUR SOUTH OF DISTRICT SO THAT'S YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY EAST OF HIGHWAY 77 AND SOUTH OF 44 AND EAST OF THE MALL OF AMERICA. SO THIS IS THE AREA THAT WE ANTICIPATE AND HAVE SEEN VERY HIGH INTENSITY LAND USE AND THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO SEE URBAN GROWTH. BUT IN TERMS OF JUST SOME OF THE BASIC CHARACTERISTICS OF PARKING GO, IT'S 12.5 ACRES, ROUGHLY 1500 STALLS ENTIRELY SURFACE AND IT'S BEEN AVERAGE EXCUSE ME IN OPERATION SINCE 1992 THROUGH OF TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF ENTITLEMENTS. BUT THE NAME CHANGED AND IT STARTED OUT AS WHAT'S CALLED A TEACUP OR TEMPORARY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. AND THEN I THINK IN AROUND 2009 THAT ENTITLEMENT TURNED INTO AN INTERIM USE PERMIT. AND SO SINCE 1992 THAT'S BEEN OPERATING UNDER THESE TEMPORARY APPROVALS IN 2019 WE TRIED SOMETHING DIFFERENT WHERE INTERIM USE PERMIT APPROVALS WERE TIED TO DEVELOPMENT MILESTONES MEANING YOU'LL GET AN APPROVAL TO CONTINUE YOUR OPERATION BUT UNDER CERTAIN TIMELINE YOU'RE EXPECTED TO PERFORM REDEVELOPMENT THAT OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T MATERIALIZE DUE TO A VARIETY OF FACTORS BUT PARKING GOES IN LAST INTERIM USE PERMIT EXPIRED IN OCTOBER BUT THAT WAS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A MORATORIUM IN EFFECT IN WHICH WHICH STATE ANY SORT OF ENFORCEMENT ACTION ON THAT EXPIRATION AND BEFORE THAT EXPIRATION PARKING GO DID APPLY FOR A FIVE YEAR INTERVIEWS PERMIT AND THAT WAS DENIED BY THE CITY COUNCIL GOING ON TO PARKING PARKING FLY I THINK THEY REQUIRED BY THE PARKING SPOT AND SO I THINK IT'S CALLED THE PARKING SPOT BY A PARKING FLY WHAT IS GOING TO CALL IT PARKING FLY ABOUT 12 ACRES OF THIS FACILITY HAS ABOUT 1100 SURFACE PARKING STALLS AND THEN ABOUT 1000 STRUCTURED STALLS. SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE IMAGE HERE THAT PARKING STRUCTURE ALONG AMERICAN BOULEVARD EAST AS PART OF THE REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING FACILITY PARKING FLIES A LITTLE BIT OLDER 1988. THIS IS A SITE THAT ORIGINATED THIS TYPE OF USE WITHIN THE CITY. THE PARKING STRUCTURE WAS BUILT IN 1994 AND ORIGINALLY THE INTENT WAS TO SUPPORT AN OFFICE TOWER. SO THE PARKING THE THE FIRST THREE LEVELS WAS STRUCTURE PARKING AND THEN AN OFFICE TOWER ON TOP OF IT. OBVIOUSLY THE OFFICE TOWER WAS NEVER BUILT AND IT'S BEEN USED FOR REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING ALL ALONG. SIMILARLY TO PARKING GO IN 2019 THE IAP WAS CONDITIONED ON DEVELOPING MILESTONES PARKING FLY DID GO THROUGH A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND THEY DID HAVE A PRELIMINARY DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A FOUR PHASE DEVELOPMENT AND RECEIVED APPROVAL FOR THE FIRST PHASE AND WAS VERY CLOSE TO GETTING PERMITS TO START CONSTRUCTION ON THAT. BUT DUE TO A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY THAT DIDN'T THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN AND THIS IP EXPIRES AUGUST OF 2027. SO THE OTHER SO IN ADDITION TO REMOTE ERROR FOR PARKING WE WERE TASKED WITH RESEARCHING AND COMING UP WITH A STRATEGY FOR HOTEL AIRPORT PARKING AND HOTELS ARE OBVIOUSLY BIG BUSINESS IN BLOOMINGTON WE THERE ARE 49 HOTELS IN BLOOMINGTON AND OVER 9500 HOTEL ROOMS. SO THAT'S THAT'S A BIG PART OF BLOOMINGTON'S ECONOMY AND WE DON'T KNOW THE EXACT PROPORTION BUT MANY IF NOT MOST OF THOSE HOTELS HAVE SOME SORT OF STAY AND PARKING FLY PACKAGE WHERE YOU STAY A DAY OR ONE OVERNIGHT AND YOU'RE ALLOTTED A CERTAIN NUMBER OF OVERNIGHTS FOR PARKING. THE THE TYPE OF PACKAGE VARIES BETWEEN THE HOTELS BUT ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TO GO TO THE BLOOMINGTON TRAVEL AND TOURISM SITE AND THEIR STAY AND FLY PAGE IS I BELIEVE WE WERE TOLD IT'S THE MOST VISITED PAGE ON THE WEBSITE SO THIS IS A USE THAT'S BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE THERE WAS IT WAS P AND HOTELS AND IT'S CURRENTLY FOR THE MOST PART NOT PERMITTED SO IT'S A IT'S A USE THAT IS OPERATED WIDELY IN THE CITY AND THIS STUDY WAS MEANT TO TRY TO ADDRESS THAT INCONSISTENCY AND I WILL PASS IT ON TO PLANNING MANAGER JOHNSON THANK YOU MIKE. SO AS PER AS PER ANY KIND OF KEY LAND USE QUESTION OR DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE AROUND LAND USE POLICY, WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO LOOK BACK TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ANY RELEVANT DISTRICT PLANS THAT PROVIDE US GUIDANCE AND IN OUR IN OUR DECISION MAKING AS YOU KNOW OR AS I OFTEN SAY THE PLANNING AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS REALLY THE 30,000 FOOT VIEW. WHAT IS THE BROAD LAND USE HOUSING TRANSPORTATION POLICY THE CITY SHOULD BE PURSUING AT A HIGH LEVEL FOR THE FOR THE COMMUNITY DISTRICT PLANS PROVIDE MORE THAT 10,000 SQUARE FOOT VIEW AND CAN FOCUS IN ON VERY MORE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS AS IT PERTAINS TO LAND USE POLICY OR INFRASTRUCTURE OR OTHER THINGS ALONG THOSE ELEMENTS. SO JUST PROVIDING A QUICK DELINEATION OF KIND OF HOW THOSE TWO DIFFERENT POLICY DOCUMENTS WORK IN CONCERT WITH ONE ANOTHER. SO THERE IS A LOT OF THERE IS A LOT OF CONTENT IN BOTH THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT PLAN THAT CAN PROVIDE RELEVANT GUIDANCE AS TO THIS POLICY QUESTION SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO SHARE THAT CONTEXT. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A FEW SPECIFIC SITES AS PART OF THIS STUDY TOO, BUT GOOD TO JUST SET THE CONTEXT IN TERMS OF WHAT THE CITY'S LAND USE POLICIES AND POLICY GUIDING DOCUMENTS SAY AS IT RELATES TO THE USE SO THE THE BLOOMINGTON LAND USE ELEMENT IN THE 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOCUSES ON A SPECIFIC REDEVELOPMENT STRATEGY. THE GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF THAT REDEVELOPMENT STRATEGY AS IT PERTAINS TO REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING ARE ON THE SLIDE BEFORE YOU BUT CAPITALIZING ON REGIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE CERTAINLY INTERSTATE 494 QUALIFIES AS THAT BLUE LINE LIGHT RAIL TRANSIT IS AN ESSENTIAL COMPONENT OF THAT SANITARY SEWER CAPACITY ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THE CITY HAS PROVIDED. THESE ARE ALL ELEMENTS OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HELP EITHER ENABLE GROWTH OR RESTRICT IT. SO THAT'S A KEY PRINCIPLE IN THE CITY'S LAND USE ELEMENT THROUGHOUT THE PLAN BOTH IN THE LAND USE HOUSING AND TRANSPORTATION ELEMENTS YOU'LL SEE A CONSISTENT THEME OR THREAD AROUND TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT TRYING TO EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF COORDINATION BETWEEN LAND USE PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION PLANNING AND TRYING TO LOCATE THE MOST DENSE, THE MOST INTENSE USES PARTICULARLY HOUSING BUT MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AS WELL IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO LIGHT RAIL TRANSIT. SO THAT'S A CONSISTENT THEME IN MULTIPLE OF THE CHAPTERS IN THE PLAN. FINALLY BLOOMINGTON HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN VERY WELCOMING OF GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT. WE WANT TO SEE ESPECIALLY THE HIGHEST VALUE AND MOST VISIBLE SITES IN BLOOMINGTON DEVELOPED IN AN INTENSE FASHION WITH HIGHER DENSITIES, HIGHER FLOOR AREA RATIOS AND SO THAT THIRD BULLET ON THE LIST REALLY IS TRYING TO CAPTURE THAT ELEMENT OF DEVELOPING UNDERUTILIZED SITES. IN ADDITION TO THAT, OFTENTIMES THERE'S ALWAYS TYPICALLY LAND USE CONFLICT USE OR SITES OR USES THAT DON'T DON'T ALIGN WELL WITH THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT GOALS. SO THAT IS THE POINT ABOUT REDEVELOPING INCOMPATIBLE LAND USES. WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THAT WITH THE DISTRICT PLAN REGARDING FUTURE TRANSIT STATIONARY GROWTH. IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT GIVEN THE THE AREA OF GREATEST DEMAND FOR PARKING AIRPORT PARKING USES OF COURSE IS GOING TO BE IN PROXIMITY TO MSP AIRPORT AND GIVEN THAT THE BLUE LINE LIGHT RAIL TRANSIT IS ALSO RIGHT IN THAT LOCATION, IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE METROPOLITAN COUNCIL'S REGIONAL PLANS ALSO PROVIDE SOME GUIDANCE AROUND LAND USE AROUND LIGHT RAIL TRANSIT. CURRENTLY THE AVERAGE MINIMUM DENSITY EXPECTATION AROUND WITHIN ONE HALF MILE OF A LIGHT RAIL TRANSIT STOP IS 25 UNITS PER ACRE FOR A COMMUNITY OF BLOOMINGTON'S DESIGNATION WE DID CONNECT WITH METROPOLITAN COUNCIL STAFF AND THAT IS ANTICIPATED TO RISE TO A MINIMUM AVERAGE DENSITY OF 35 UNITS PER ACRE WHEN THAT WHEN THE NEXT SYSTEM STATEMENT IS RELEASED LATER THIS FALL. SO THAT'S FEEDBACK THAT THE METROPOLITAN COUNCIL HAS PROVIDED US. NEXT SLIDE MIKE. SO AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW A LOT OF THE ELEMENTS OF THE LAND USE CHAPTER COORDINATORS SYNC UP WITH POLICY GUIDANCE IN THE HOUSING AND TRANSPORTATION ELEMENTS AS WELL. SO WITHIN THE COMP PLAN CERTAINLY THE HOUSING ELEMENT GUIDES THE CITY TO IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES FOR NEW HOUSING AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS AND PARTICULARLY TRYING TO FACILITATE HIGHER DENSITY AND MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT NEAR TRANSIT THAT'S A COMPONENT OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT AND THEN AS I MENTIONED BEFORE WITHIN THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT LAND USE PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION PLANNING WORK BEST WHEN DONE AND IN SYNC. AND SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT SURPRISING THAT THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT CALLS FOR THE COORDINATION OF THESE EFFORTS AND HOW THAT HOW THAT IS REFLECTED IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION IS ENSURING AGAIN TO THAT POINT OF TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT THAT THE HIGHEST DENSITIES AND HIGHEST INTENSITY USES ARE LOCATED WITHIN PROXIMITY TO TRANSIT. NEXT SLIDE MIKE, THANK YOU. SO MOVING ON TO THE DISTRICT PLAN. MIKE MENTIONED THAT THE SOUTH OF DISTRICT IS BOUNDED BY THE MINNESOTA RIVER ON THE SOUTH I FOR 94 ON THE NORTH TRUNK HIGHWAY 77 ON THE WEST SIDE. SO AS I MENTIONED THE COMP PLAN IS REALLY THE 30,000 SQUARE FOOT VIEW THE CITY ADOPTED THE DISTRICT PLAN IN 2012. WHY WHY ADOPT A DISTRICT PLAN ? A DISTRICT PLAN CAN REALLY DIG MORE AT THAT 10,000 FOOT LEVEL TO GET INTO THE SPECIFIC ELEMENTS OF A PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD OR A PARTICULAR AREA. THIS IS OF PARTICULAR INTEREST IN THE CASE OF THE SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT PLAN GIVEN THE PORT AUTHORITY'S HISTORY AND ENABLING LEGISLATION TO DO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WORK WITHIN THE SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT. SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE STORY. BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, A DISTRICT PLAN CAN MAKE SPECIFIC LAND USE POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS. IT CAN INCLUDE REZONING SPECIFIC PROPERTIES WITHIN THE DISTRICT. IT CAN INFORM SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS IN PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE LYNDALE LINK. LYNDALE LINK IS A DIRECT RESULT OR OUTCOME OF THE SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT PLAN THE CREATION OF LYNDALE AND SO THE DISTRICT PLAN I'LL GET INTO THE SPECIFIC GOALS AND VISION HERE IN A MINUTE BUT THE PLAN HAS FOUR SIGNATURE ELEMENTS IT CALLS 24TH AVENUE LYNDALE LINK WHICH I MENTIONED THE BLUFF EDGE OBVIOUSLY RESPECTING THE IMPORTANT RESOURCE THAT THE MINNESOTA RIVER IS TO THIS AREA. BUT THAT FOURTH SIGNATURE ELEMENT IS THE 34TH AN AMERICAN NEIGHBORHOOD AND THIS IS CURRENTLY THE AREA AROUND BLOOMINGTON CENTRAL STATION AND THE SURROUNDING AREA AND THE INTENT OF THE DISTRICT PLAN IS REALLY TO CREATE A DENSE URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD WITH HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL USES IN THIS AREA IN ORDER TO TAKE BEST ADVANTAGE OF LIGHT RAIL TRANSIT AND CLOSE PROXIMITY. SO THESE ARE THE SIGNATURE ELEMENTS OF THE PLAN. SO GETTING TO THE VISION SO FORGIVE ME TO READ OFF A SLIDE BUT JUST THE HIGHLIGHTED ELEMENTS TO US ARE KIND OF THE MOST IMPORTANT KEY LANGUAGE AND IMPORTANT THIS IS JUST ALL IMPORTANT CONTEXT FOR THE SAKE OF THIS DISCUSSION TONIGHT BUT TRANSFORM SOUTH FROM A DISPERSED SUBURBAN COMMERCIAL AREA INTO A WALKABLE URBAN AREA NEIGHBORHOOD I'LL HIGHLIGHT THAT WALKABLE COMPONENT AND URBAN. SO THE GOALS INCLUDED BUILDING ON THE DISTRICT'S UNIQUE MIX OF ASSETS MITIGATING ITS DISADVANTAGES, TRANSFORM THE DISTRICTS DENSITIES AND CHARACTERS FROM SUBURBAN TO URBAN ACCELERATE THE DISTRICTS DEVELOPMENT AND CREATE A SUSTAINABLE DISTRICT. SO DIGGING INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, WHAT DO WE MEAN BY SOME OF THOSE THINGS? SO IN TERMS OF LEVERAGING THE DISTRICT'S ASSETS, CERTAINLY THE KEY ASSET THAT IT HAS WOULD BE LIGHT RAIL TRANSIT AND BUS TRANSIT. IT'S THE FIRST LISTED ASSET IN THE DISTRICT PLAN. IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT DENSITY AND CHARACTER TRYING TO TRYING TO STIMULATE THE DISTRICT'S DENSITY AND CHARACTER IN TERMS OF MOVING IT TOWARDS URBAN. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT MEANS CREATING A MORE WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT. SUFFICE TO SAY LOW INTENSITY, LOW DENSITY USES THAT INVOLVE LOTS OF SURFACE PARKING OBVIOUSLY DO NOT ALIGN WELL WITH THAT PARTICULAR GOAL. AND THEN FINALLY ACCELERATING THE DISTRICT'S DEVELOPMENT THAT REALLY CONNECTS WITH A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN ABOUT. SO I WON'T REPEAT THAT. BUT ONE THING THAT IS AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF THE SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT IS THAT IT'S REALLY STRIVING FOR A SENSE OF PLACE AND THAT HAS BEEN INFORMED BY ALL THE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING WORK THAT THE CITY HAS DONE IN THE SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT BUT ALSO JUST IN TERMS OF WHEN WALKING AROUND WHAT ARE THE USES THAT REALLY SUPPORT THAT SENSE OF PLACE. AND THEN ON THE STANDPOINT OF A SUSTAINABLE DISTRICT, THIS REALLY COMES OUT IN A COUPLE OF FORMS. ONE IS JUST STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND QUALITY. OBVIOUSLY THE MORE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE WITHIN THE AREA THAT'S TREATED OR NOT TREATED IN A MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY WAY KIND OF RUNS AGAINST THAT GOAL. IN ADDITION TO THAT LARGE AMOUNTS OF SURFACE PARKING ARE KNOWN TO CREATE URBAN HEAT ISLAND EFFECT AS WELL. SO THERE'S SOME ELEMENTS OF TRADITIONAL HORIZONTAL PARKING THAT RUN COUNTER TO SOME OF THESE GOALS AND IT'S HARD TO DENY THOSE FACTS. I WILL SAY THAT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF DIFFERENT REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING USES ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE DIFFERENT AND REALLY DO GO ON A SPECTRUM OF A RANGE RANGING FROM THE LOWEST DENSITY OF JUST PURE SURFACE PARKING ALL THE WAY TO SOME OPERATIONS AND FACILITIES THAT ARE MUCH MORE CONCENTRATED AND USE LAND IN A MORE EFFICIENT MANNER. SO JUST THINKING ABOUT THE GOALS OF BOTH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE DISTRICT PLAN, THESE ARE SOME OF THE ELEMENTS AT PLAY. WE ALSO THOUGHT IN ADDITION TO PROVIDING THIS GUIDANCE FROM THE COMP PLAN AND THE DISTRICT PLAN THAT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE CONTEXT OF THE CONVERSATION TO FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVE OF COURSE THE PUBLIC ALSO HAS CAN CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, ADD THEIR VOICE TO THIS PROCESS WHEN APPROPRIATE. BUT THERE ARE BENEFITS AND CHALLENGES OF AIRPORT PARKING USES. IT WOULD BE UNFAIR TO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE SOME OF THE BENEFITS THAT DO EXIST TO SOME OF THESE OPERATIONS IN BLOOMINGTON AND ELSEWHERE. SO THE BENEFIT IS SERVICE AVAILABILITY. SO CERTAINLY SOME BLOOMINGTON RESIDENTS UTILIZE THESE SERVICES. THERE PROBABLY ARE MORE CUSTOMERS FROM FURTHER AWAY THAN BLOOMINGTON BUT CERTAINLY THEY HAVE LOCAL CUSTOMERS WHO MAKE USE OF THIS SERVICE AS WELL AS BUSINESSES CERTAINLY TOO, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THERE'S TWO TWO EXISTING SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSES WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING FACILITIES. IN ADDITION TO THAT I THINK IT'S CLEAR FROM THE BLOOMINGTON VISITORS AND CONVENTIONS BUREAU THAT THIS USE ALSO DOES SUPPORT THE ECONOMIC HEALTH OF THE CITY'S HOTEL INDUSTRY. SO THAT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE. THE THIRD ONE AND MAYBE ONE THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT AS MUCH IN THE PAST BUT THE THE OPPORTUNITY OR THE POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY OF THIS USE TO HELP FINANCE OTHER ASSOCIATED PRIORITY DEVELOPMENT THAT IS IN LINE WITH THE DISTRICT PLAN'S VISION IN THIS AREA THAT COULD BE DESTINATION ENTERTAIN MINT THAT COULD BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THAT COULD BE DENSE HOUSING, COULD BE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THE POTENTIAL REVENUE COULD SUPPORT. SO THOSE ARE THE BENEFITS THAT STAFF SEES. IN TERMS OF THE CHALLENGES I JUST TALKED ABOUT THE INCONSISTENCY OF THE USE WITH THE COMP PLAN AND THE DISTRICT PLAN A LOT OVERALL LACK OF DEVELOPMENT INTENSITY IS A CHALLENGE FROM STAFF'S PERSPECTIVES AND STAFF'S VIEW. IT ALSO DISINCENTIVIZES FUTURE DEVELOPMENT WHEN YOU'RE GAINING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF REVENUE FROM SURFACE PARKING IT'S HARD TO TAKE THAT NEXT STEP OR WANT TO UTILIZE THE SITE FOR ANY OTHER USE EXCEPT THE CURRENT OPERATIONS OR MISALIGNMENT WITH INVESTMENTS IN PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE. OF COURSE THE PUBLIC HAS EXPANDED SIGNIFICANT DOLLARS TO CREATE LIGHT RAIL, TRANSIT AND ROADWAYS AND SEWER CAPACITY IN THESE AREAS. I MENTIONED THE ENVIRONMENTAL ALL POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS OF LARGE SCALE OF SURFACE PARKING AND THEN IMPACTS TO BLOOMINGTON ROADWAYS. I MEAN CERTAINLY A LOT OF TRIPS ARE GENERATED FROM THESE SITES AND THE ROADWAYS ARE EFFECTIVELY BUILT TO HANDLE THAT AND HANDLE THAT. BUT IT ALSO ADDS TO VEHICLE EMISSIONS IN THE AREA AS WELL TYING BACK TO THE SUSTAINABILITY PIECE. SO I'M GOING TO TURN TO DAKOTA KAST SOMEDAY. HE'S GOING TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF OUR RESEARCH CURVE AIRPORT PARKING IN THE UNITED STATES AND LOCAL JURISDICTIONS AS WELL AS SOME ADDITIONAL DYNAMICS IN BLOOMINGTON. ALL RIGHT. YEAH THANKS. THIS HAS BEEN A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT SO JUST GOING TO SWITCH IT OFF A LITTLE BIT SO NOT YOU'RE NOT LISTENING TO ONE PERSON TALK THE WHOLE TIME SO I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT AGAIN YOU KNOW SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD WITH LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS AND AGAIN KIND OF SUMMARIZE SOME OF THESE BROADER DYNAMICS AND HOW OTHER AIRPORT COMMUNITIES COMPARE. SO LOOKING AT PARKING ACROSS THE US BOTH OF THE AIRPORT PARKING PROVIDERS IN THE CITY DID THEIR OWN KIND OF CODE ANALYSIS LOOKING AT ALL THE CITIES THAT THEY OPERATE IN KIND OF SEEING IF IT'S A PERMITTED OR CONDITIONAL USE. SO THAT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR IN THE STAFF REPORT AND IN THE PACKET. WE AS STAFF JUST LOOKED AT KIND OF EIGHT CITIES THAT WE FELT WERE KIND OF SIMILAR IN BLOOMINGTON IN THE SENSE THAT THE AIRPORT IS RELATIVELY CLOSE TO THE URBAN CORE AND A LITTLE BIT MORE LAND LOCKED IN TERMS OF FUTURE EXPANSIONS TO KIND OF COMPARE IT TO MSP. AND SO LOOKING AT IN THE LIST THAT WAS PROVIDED BY BOTH OF THE AIRPORT PARKING PROVIDERS AS WELL AS THE EIGHT THAT WE LOOKED AT HERE IN MOST CASES THE AIRPORT PARKING WAS EITHER A PERMITTED OR CONDITIONAL USE AND SO BLOOMINGTON WAS REALLY KIND OF THE THE UNIQUE OR ODDBALL OUT IN THAT WE HAVE IT AS AN INTERIM OR TEMPORARY USE FOR EVERYWHERE ELSE REALLY. HAS IT PERMITTED OR CONDITIONAL? AND FIVE OUT OF THE EIGHT THAT WE LOOKED AT DO REQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL PERFORMANCE STANDARDS AND USUALLY WHEN THAT IS THE CASE IT RELATED TO SOME KIND OF LANDSCAPING AND SCREENING FROM ADJACENT PROPERTIES AS WELL AS PROVIDING ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES ON ANY PARKING STRUCTURES IN THOSE FACILITIES. I'M LOOKING AT MSP AIRPORT A LITTLE CLOSER ON THE METROPOLITAN AIRPORT COMMISSION OR MAC MANAGES ABOUT 30,000 PUBLIC PARKING STALLS AS WELL AS SOME RENTAL PARKING STALLS. AND THEN THERE ARE OTHER PARKING AREAS ON THE AIRPORT AS WELL BUT THOSE ARE TYPICALLY MANAGED AND OPERATED BY THE INDIVIDUAL AIRLINES. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT. BUT IN TERMS OF KIND OF THE PUBLIC PARKING STRUCTURES AND PARKING AT THE AIRPORT, THERE'S JUST A LITTLE OVER 30,000 STALLS IN THE AIRPORT'S 2040 LONG TERM PLAN AND THEY DO CALL FOR IMPROVEMENTS AND EXPANDING PARKING AT THE AIRPORT. SOME OF THIS INVOLVES EXPANSION OF PARKING, PARTICULARLY AT TERMINAL TWO AND REDEVELOPING THE USPS POSTAL SITE FOR MORE PARKING. ALL OF THAT TO HELP THE GREEN AND GOLD RAMPS AT TERMINAL ONE OR REACHING THEIR END OF USEFUL LIFE AND NEED TO BE REDEVELOPED. SO I THINK WHAT THEY CALL IN THE PLAN IS FOR THE EXPANSION AT TERMINAL TWO, THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT POSTAL SITE TO THEN BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE PARKING THAT WILL BE LOST DURING THE TIME THAT THE GREEN AND GOLD RAMPS WOULD BE REMOVED OTHER THAN THAT SITE WOULD BE REDEVELOPED WITH SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING AS WELL AS SOME OTHER AIRPORT RELATED SERVICES AT THAT SITE . SO JUST KIND OF A DYNAMIC TO KIND OF KEEP IN MIND AND THEN AS WELL ALL OF THE OFF AIRPORT PARKING SHUTTLE OPERATORS ARE CHARGED A TRIP FEE EVERY TIME THAT THEY ENTER TERMINAL ONE OR TERMINAL TWO. AND SO IN 2024 MAC ESTIMATED THAT THERE WERE OVER 119,000 TRIPS FROM THE TWO REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING FACILITIES IN BLOOMINGTON AND THAT RESULTED IN APPROXIMATELY $591,000 IN REVENUE TO MAKE. AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT OTHER AIRPORT PARKING FACILITIES IN OUR REGION. THEN WE IDENTIFIED THREE SO VERSUS THE SHEPPARD ROAD AIRPORT PARKING FACILITY IN ST PAUL THAT PROVIDES BOTH STRUCTURED AND OPEN LOT PARKING. IT'S BEEN A LONG PREEXISTING USE THAT IS LEGALLY NONCONFORMING TO CURRENT ST PAUL STANDARDS. WHEN WE WERE TALKING WITH STAFF AT ST PAUL THIS IS ZONE T THREE YOUR TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD IT DOES ALLOW A COMMERCIAL PARKING FACILITY AS A CONDITIONAL USE BUT WITH SPECIFIC PERFORMANCE STANDARDS AND SO PARKING MUST BE EITHER UNDERGROUND OR IN A STRUCTURE AND THEN IT MUST INCLUDE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF NON PARKING USES ON THE SITE. SO ANY REDEVELOPMENT OR EXPANSION AT SHEPHARD ROAD AIRPORT PARKING WOULD BE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH CURRENT ST PAUL'S ZONING CODE STANDARDS. BUT AGAIN THE EXISTING FACILITY THERE CAN OPERATE AS IT IS AND IS LEGALLY NONCONFORMING. ANOTHER IDENTIFIED THIS WAS THE EASY AIR PARK IN EAGAN THAT PROVIDES AROUND 1700 SURFACE PARKING STALLS THAT WAS APPROVED THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR PHASE 1 IN 1984 AND THEN PHASE 2 IN 1986. SO THAT FACILITY CONTINUES TO OPERATE AS IT WAS APPROVED BACK IN THE 80S. THE CITY OF EAGAN DOES NOT CURRENTLY PERMIT COMMERCIAL PARKING FACILITIES SO NO NEW FACILITIES ARE ALLOWED IN THE CITY. BUT THIS ONE CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE ACCORDING TO ITS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND THEN FINALLY THE SOUTHWEST TRANSIT ALSO PROVIDES REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING AT THEIR SOUTHWEST STATION PARK AND RIDE IN EDEN PRAIRIE. THIS WAS A NEW SERVICE THAT BEGAN IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR AND THEY ALSO PROVIDE SOUTHWEST TRANSIT PROVIDES A BUS SERVICE ALONG THE I FOR 94 CORRIDOR WITH A MULTIPLE STOPS IN BLOOMINGTON AND THEN THEIR EXPRESS ROUTE GOES FROM THE PARK AND RIDE TO THE MALL OF AMERICA TO THE AIRPORT AND TH HAVE A ALLOW I THINK OUR $5 FEE $5 PER DAY FEE IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN MISTAKEN TO PROVIDE PARKING THERE AND TALKING WITH EDEN PRAIRIE STAFF THEY IDENTIFIED THAT PARKING AS A PERMITTED ACCESSORY USE TO THEIR EXISTING PARKING FACILITIES AND TRANSIT SERVICES AT THAT SITE. AND THEN FINALLY JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT SOME ADDITIONAL INTEREST IN REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING IN THE SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT BEYOND KIND OF THE TWO EXISTING FACILITIES. SO ON THE MALL OF AMERICA HAS INDICATED SOME INTEREST IN THEIR EAST RAMP TO PROVIDE A REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING FACILITY AND I'M COLLABORATING WITH METRO TRANSIT TO PROMOTE TRANSIT USE BETWEEN THE MALL AND THE AIRPORT AND THAT WAS ALSO ATTACHED TO THE YOUR PACKET 30 6A1 AMERICAN BOULEVARD EAST AND THEIR EXISTING PARKING STRUCTURE HAVE SHARED INTEREST TO BE ABLE TO USE THE REVENUE FROM REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING TO FUND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PARKING STRUCTURE AND THEN TO ALSO HELP SUPPORT THE CONVERSION OF THE RIVERVIEW OFFICE TOWER INTO AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT CONCEPT WAS ALSO PROVIDED IN THE PACKET AND THEN OUR PARKING GO ARM ITSELF WHICH IS WEST OF 34TH AV HAS ALSO SUBMITTED CONCEPTS SHOWING KIND OF PERMANENT STRUCTURED REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING ON THE NORTHERN HALF OF THEIR SITE AND THEN SHOWING NON PARKING USES ON THE SOUTHERN PART OF THEIR SITE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT I GOT. YEAH. SO BEFORE WE GET TO KIND OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OR WHERE WHERE WE WANT TO GO WITH THE STUDY WE JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON SOME OF THE OUTREACH THAT WE DID AND THE BULK OF THE OUTREACH WERE MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS WITH STAKEHOLDERS AND OTHER COMMUNITIES. SO HERE'S A LIST OF ALL THE FOLKS THAT WE MET WITH IN SOME CASES MULTIPLE TIMES BUT THAT RANGED FROM PROPERTY OWNERS MALL OF AMERICA PARKING GO PARKING FLY AND THE GOLF DEVELOPMENT THE KEATING MANAGEMENT TO OTHER CITIES LIKE TACOMA MENTIONED WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS WITH OUR CITIES TO DISCUSS HOW THEY MANAGE AIRPORT PARKING THAT WAS IN EAGAN ST PAUL RICHFIELD OF COURSE WE'RE TALKING TO OUR COLLEAGUES HERE AT THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON OBVIOUSLY LEGAL DIVISION HAS HAD A LARGE ROLE IN THE STUDY BUT THEN WE'VE ALSO DISCUSSED WITH DISCUSS THE STUDY WITH MACK MACK STAFF TO HAVING A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE, WHAT THEY ENVISION AND IF THEY'VE WANTED TO PROVIDE ANY FEEDBACK ON THE STUDY AND THEY THEY PRETTY MUCH KEPT IT TO WHAT'S AVAILABLE IN THEIR PLAN. AND LASTLY, WE OF COURSE WE WE HAVE THE METROPOLITAN COUNCIL, THEIR REGIONAL ENTITY SO WE WANTED TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK TOO ON HOW THIS STUDY RELATES TO THEIR LONG RANGE VISION AND GOALS. SO WHERE WE GO FROM HERE IN AND WE WE WENT INTO SOME DETAIL IN THE REPORT AND YOU KNOW STAFF HAS OUR RECOMMENDATION BUT THERE'S REALLY A SPECTRUM OF POLICY OPTIONS FROM LESS RESTRICTIVE TO MORE RESTRICTIVE AND THE LESS RESTRICTIVE IS JUST TO SAY THIS IS A PERMITTED USE. IT'S IT'S BY AN AIRPORT THIS USE HAS BEEN AROUND FOR IN THE CITY BLOOMINGTON FOR OVER 30 YEARS. LET'S JUST MAKE IT PERMITTED AND THAT WOULD BE THE ARGUABLY THE LEAST RESTRICTIVE APPROACH. ON THE OTHER HAND OF THE SPECTRUM YOU HAVE JUST OUTRIGHT PROHIBITING THIS USE AND THEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT DO WE DO THEN WITH THESE EXISTING BUSINESSES BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE AND THEN THEY'RE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE AND THAT MIDDLE GROUND IS WHERE STAFF SEES THE BEST OPTIONS. AND I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE WHAT WE RECOMMENDED IN THE STAFF REPORT IS A SIGNIFICANT DEPARTURE FROM THE CITY'S APPROACH OR STANCE OF UNTIL NOW FRANKLY WHERE THE IDEA WAS THAT THESE USES THESE USES NAMELY REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING SHOULD NO LONGER EXIST OVER TIME IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AND THAT APPROACH HAS NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL SO FAR. AND SO WE WANTED TO TRY TO FIND A MIDDLE GROUND THAT WE FELT COULD WORK. AND SO JUST TOUCHING ON REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING FIRST BECAUSE ARGUABLY I'D SAY THAT IS A MORE COMPLEX ISSUE AND THAT IS TO HAVE SOME ALLOWANCES FOR REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING ON A PERMANENT BASIS. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW ARE THE H6R AND C. S TWO DISTRICTS. THE TWO DISTRICTS THAT ARE ONLY IN THE SOUTH OF DISTRICT FOR EXAMPLE THE C X2 THAT'S THE MALL OF AMERICA CAMPUS THE THE SEVERAL PROPERTIES OF THE CAMPUS AND THEN AJAX ARE THE THAT ZONING DISTRICT CENTERS AROUND BLOOMINGTON CENTRAL STATION AND THAT 34TH AN AMERICAN NEIGHBORHOOD THAT NIC TALKED ABOUT AND SO WHAT WE WANT TO TRY AND DO AT LEAST OUR RECOMMENDATION IS TO ALLOW THE EXISTING REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING FACILITIES TO OPERATE ON A PERMANENT BASIS SUBJECT TO PERFORMANCE STANDARDS AND THAT COULD BE DONE THROUGH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN ADDITION TO PERFORMANCE STANDARDS ADOPTED IN CITY CODE. WHAT WE WHAT WE COULD DO IS DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN EXISTING FACILITIES MEANING PARKING GO AND PARKING FLY FROM NEW FACILITIES LIKE A REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING FACILITY AT THE MALL OF AMERICA FOR EXAMPLE THERE COULD BE A DIFFERENTIATION WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THESE FACILITIES THE EXISTING FACILITIES HAVE BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND MAYBE SOME DIFFERENT TREATMENT BETWEEN EXISTING AND FUTURE. ISRAEL IS A GOOD IDEA. WE DO WANT TO IN TERMS OF NEW FACILITIES THAT DON'T CURRENTLY AREN'T REALLY IN OPERATION. IT'S OUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE ARE LIMITING THEM TO WITHIN EXISTING PARKING STRUCTURES. WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO SEE HAPPEN IS ANY SORT OF PROLIFERATION OF REMOTE AREA PARKING A PROLIFERATION REALLY WE WE THINK WOULD JUST BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE LAND USE GUIDANCE IN THE COMP PLAN AND THE SOUTH DISTRICT PLAN. SO UNDER THIS SCENARIO YOU WOULD ALLOW AIRPORT PARKING AND EXISTING PARKING STRUCTURES FOR NEWLY ESTABLISHED FACILITIES AND HOW THAT COULD HAPPEN IS IF IT'S AN EXISTING PARKING STRUCTURE CHANCES ARE THAT THAT PARKING SUPPLY IS USED FOR OTHER THINGS LIKE THE MALL, LIKE OFFICE BUILDINGS OR HOTELS AND SO THAT THAT OWNER OR OPERATOR WOULD HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE'S EXCESS PARKING SUPPLY THATOULD BE USED FOR REMOTE OR PARKING. AND UNDER THIS SCENARIO WE BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD NOT HAVE THAT WE SHOULD PROHIBIT REMOTE OPEN PARKING IN NEW PARKING STRUCTURES OTHER THAN THE TWO EXISTING OPERATORS. OF COURSE ALL OF THIS ALL OF THESE OPTIONS THERE'S LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES THAT WE COULD DISCUSS AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE GETTING SOME GUIDANCE FROM YOU TONIGHT. SO MOVING ON TO SOME POTENTIAL PERFORMANCE STANDARDS AND THIS IS IF WE ARE GOING TO ALLOW REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? HOW COULD THAT BE IMPLEMENTED AND WHAT'S IN BOLD ON THE ON THE SCREEN OR SOME OF THE WHAT WE BELIEVE ARE THE KEY ELEMENTS OF KEY PERFORMANCE STANDARD ELEMENTS THAT WE'D LIKE TO INCORPORATE IN ANY SORT OF CODE AMENDMENT AND THAT COULD BE WHERE PARKING STRUCTURES COULD BE LOCATED FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU RECALL IN THE PARKING GO DEVELOPMENT CONCEPT YOU SAW A PARKING STRUCTURE ON THE NORTH END OF THE PROPERTY ALONG FOR 94. THAT ARGUABLY IS A BETTER OPTION BECAUSE IT'S FARTHER AWAY FROM THE TRANSIT STOP AND IT'S ALONG POINT 84 WHERE THERE'S TREMENDOUS VEHICULAR TRAFFIC NOISE EMISSIONS ETC. WHEREAS OPENING UP DEVELOPMENT FOR THE SOUTH END OF THE SITE WHICH IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO TRANSIT AND THAT STRUCTURE COULD BE KIND OF LIKE A BUFFERING ELEMENT MINIMUM DEVELOPMENT AREA LIMITING OR REQUIRING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF NON PARKING RELATED DEVELOPMENT LIKE RESIDENTIAL USES HOSPITALITY ENTERTAINMENT TO BE DESIGNATED WITHIN A SITE AND SIMILAR TO THAT WHAT WE DO NOT WANT TO SEE IS A CONTINUED SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF JUST SURFACE PARKING ONSITE. WE THINK THERE PROBABLY WOULD BE SOME JUST THERE'S THERE ARE VEHICLES THAT HAVE TO MANEUVER THEIR SHUTTLES THAT MIGHT HAVE HEIGHT RESTRICTIONS. SO WE THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME VERY MINOR ELEMENTS OF SURFACE PARKING BUT OUR IDEA IN OUR RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE PARKING SHOULD BE IN A PARKING STRUCTURE NOT ON THE SURFACE AND THEN OF COURSE THERE ARE A VARIETY OF ENHANCEMENTS THAT CAN BE DONE TO STRUCTURE PARKING WHETHER THAT IS VEGETATION MATERIALS SCREENING ,SOLAR OF RENEWABLE ENERGY IF THERE'S A TREMENDOUS NUMBER OF OPTIONS THAT COULD I GUESS LESSEN THE VISUAL IMPACT OF A OF A PARKING STRUCTURE AND THEN THE LAST THREE BULLETS YOU KNOW THERE'S WE COULD WE COULD DISCUSS DIFFERENT INTENSITY REQUIREMENTS FOR DEVELOPMENT. WE COULD EVEN APPLY A BUFFER RELATIVE TO MSP AIRPORT ALTHOUGH YOU KNOW SOME OF THESE STANDARDS MIGHT OVERLAP AND THEN OF COURSE WE COULD DEAL WITH SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS WITH STORMWATER MANAGEMENT LANDSCAPING. SO THERE'S I GUESS THE POINT IS THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF STANDARDS THAT WE COULD THINK ABOUT IF WE WANT TO ALLOW REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING ON A PERMANENT BASIS. SO I ALSO WAND TO TOUCH ON HOTEL AIRPORT PARKING. SO AGAIN WE HAVE OVER 9500 HOTEL ROOMS IN THE CITY BLOOMINGTON MANY IF NOT MOST OF THESE HOTELS OPERATE SOME SORT OF STAY STAY AND FLY PACKAGE. AND SO OUR RECOMMENDED APPROACH HERE IS TO CONSIDER HOTEL AIRPORT PARKING AS A PERMITTED ACCESSORY USE. IT PRETTY MUCH ACKNOWLEDGES WHAT'S CURRENTLY GOING ON IN BLOOMINGTON TODAY AND HAS BEEN FOR DECADES. AND SO WHAT A PERMITTED ACCESSORY USE IS THAT IT'S SUBORDINATE AND CLEARLY AND CUSTOMARILY INCIDENTAL TO THE PRINCIPAL USE MEANING A HOTEL HOTEL IS THE PRINCIPAL USE PARKING IS CUSTOMARY CUSTOMARILY INCIDENTAL TO A HOTEL HOWEVER AGAIN TALKING ABOUT THIS OF DESIRE TO NOT SEE PROLIFERATION OF PARKING WE THINK IN THAT INSTANCE THERE SHOULD BE A MAXIMUM HOTEL PARKING SUPPLY THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON HAS. WE ARE MORE OF A MINIMUMS BASED APPROACH IN TERMS OF PARKING SUPPLY BUT WHAT WE WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE IS A HOTEL PURCHASE OF AN ADJACENT SITE SOLELY FOR THE PURPOSES OF HOTEL AIRPORT PARKING. SO WE THINK A MAXIMUM PARKING SUPPLY SHOULD BE INSTITUTED AND THEN WE CAN DISCUSS WELL WHAT IS THAT NUMBER BECAUSE ULTIMATELY IT'S A IT'S A NUMBER AND THEN ALSO THIS ISN'T THIS CAN'T BE SUCCESSFUL WITHOUT ENFORCEMENT. WE HAVE HAD INSTANCES WHERE HOTELS WERE PARKING VEHICLES ON THE GRASS OR IN FIRE LANES OR IN OTHER AREAS THAT JUST CREATED A SAFETY HAZARD. THAT'S THAT IS TO BE EXPECTED WHEN THINGS GET BUSY. BUT ENFORCEMENT IS NECESSARY TO TRY AND KEEP THAT IN CHECK SO NOW COMES THE HARD PART IN TERMS OF DISCUSSION AND SO I'LL POSE THESE THERE'S THESE QUESTIONS AND THESE WERE THESE WERE ITEMS IN THE STAFF REPORT BUT THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO BE THINKING ABOUT AS WE CONSIDER WHAT DO WE DO NOW . AND SO GIVEN THE GUIDANCE IN THE COMPLAINT IN THE SOUTH OF DISCIPLINE TO WHAT DEGREE IS REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING COMPATIBLE WITH THE CITY'S LONG TERM VISION OF GOALS? SO THAT'S QUESTION NUMBER ONE TOO IS WHETHER OR NOT COMPATIBLE AND WHAT FORM AND WHERE COULD REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING BE ACCOMMODATED? AND THEN THIRD, WHAT ARE POTENTIAL POTENTIAL REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING PERFORMANCE STANDARDS THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED? SO FIRST IS A VERY BROAD QUESTION AND THEN TWO AND THREE ARE SO IF THIS IS POTENTIALLY COMPATIBLE WITH THE CITY, WELL THEN WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? HOW DO WE HOW DO WE ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT STAFF HAS BUT THEN ALSO CONCERNS THAT PROPERTY OWNERS AND OPERATORS HAVE GIVEN THAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO OPERATE THIS TYPE OF BUSINESS FOR WELL OVER 30 YEARS. SO THAT'S THAT IS OUR PRESENTATION AND OF COURSE OF YOU KNOW MYSELF, MR. JOHNSON, MR. KESTEN DAY WE'RE ALL HERE FOR QUESTIONS AND HAPPY TO HELP FACILITATE DISCUSSION. >> THANK YOU MR. CENTURY ON AND MR. JOHNSON MR. CASSADAY APPRECIATE THAT. LET'S START WITH QUESTIONS BECAUSE I HAVE SOME AND I'M SURE MY FELLOW COLLEAGUES ALSO HAVE SOME. MR. CUNNINGHAM, LET'S START WITH YOU. >> THANK YOU, CHAIR. I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR EVERY MEMBER OF STAFF THAT PRESENTED COME ON UP PLANNING SUPERVISOR CENTENARIO WOULD YOU LIKE TO START? SURE. SO ON THE ON THE OUTREACH OF COMMUNITY MEMBERS I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT. WERE THERE ANY HOTELS ENGAGED IN THIS OUTREACH SINCE SOME OF THIS PROPOSED CHANGES WOULD AFFECT THEM? SURE. CERTAINLY. CHAIR ALBRECHT COMMISSIONER, WE DID NOT REACH OUT TO INDIVIDUAL HOTELS. WHAT WE DID WAS WE REACHED OUT AND MET WITH THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE BLOOMINGTON TOURISM AND TRAVEL AND TOURISM GROUP OR BEATTY AND THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY AN ADVOCACY GROUP FOR THE HOTEL INDUSTRY. SO THEY WORK WITH HOTELS ON A DAILY BASIS. THEY COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER AND BEATTY DOES A LOT OF SURVEYS ON THE HEALTH OF THE BLOOMINGTON HOSPITALITY MARKET. THEY KEEP TRACK OF ROOMMATES. YOU KNOW HOW MANY ROOMS ARE BEING OCCUPIED ON A GIVEN NIGHT OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS SO THEY THEY REVIEW TRENDS. SO REALLY WE'VE WE THOUGHT PTT WAS A GOOD PROXY, IF YOU WILL, FOR THE HOTEL INDUSTRY. EXCELLENT. SECOND QUESTION FOR YOU PLANNING SUPERVISOR CENTENARIO EARLY ON IN THE PRESENTATION YOU DISCUSSED I BELIEVE IT WAS PARK AND FLIERS DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THERE USE PERMIT I CAN REMEMBER WAS IN TERM OR CONDITIONAL AND HOW ULTIMATELY YOU KNOW THE RAMP WAS BUILT FOR FUTURE OFFICE USE. I UNDERSTAND WHY THAT IS. THAT PLAN IS PROBABLY NOT MOVING FORWARD BUT CAN YOU DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE WHAT THAT PLAN WAS AND IF ANY OF IT IS STILL FEASIBLE OR FEASIBLE IN THE THE EYES OF I GUESS HAVE YOU SEEN ANYTHING FROM THE USER RECENTLY SEE AREA? >> SO I ANTICIPATED THAT THAT QUESTION MIGHT COME UP AND CHAIR ALBRECHT AND COMMISSIONER SO THIS THIS PLAN WAS APPROVED PRE-PANDEMIC AND SO THAT WAS WE WE TRIED TO I DON'T KNOW IF INCENTIVIZES THE RIGHT WORD BUT NUDGE GENTLY NUDGE THE OPERATORS TO SLOWLY REDEVELOP REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING FACILITIES. WE WE KNEW THAT THESE FACILITIES AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT OVER 12 ACRES FOR EACH SITE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DEVELOP AT ONCE. SO OUR IDEA THE THEORY WAS TO DEVELOP THESE SITES IN PHASES AND SO EACH TIME AN INTERIM USE PERMIT WAS REQUESTED AND APPROVED THAT WOULD BE ACCOMPANIED BY A DEVELOPMENT PHASE. GREAT. IN THEORY IT DIDN'T WORK. SO PARK ROSA DEVELOPMENT THAT THAT OWNS THE PARK AND FLY PROPERTY YOU KNOW TO THEIR CREDIT THEY HIRED ARCHITECTURE ENGINEERING TEAM DEVELOPED A REALLY ATTRACTIVE APARTMENT BUILDING IT WAS APPROVED YOU CAN SEE AND THIS THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY DEVELOPER PLAN WHERE IT SHOWED THREE OTHER FUTURE PHASES. OBVIOUSLY FUTURE PHASES DON'T HAVE AS MUCH DETAIL AND THEY SUBMITTED PERMANENT BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATIONS AND BEFORE THAT PERMIT WAS ISSUED THERE WAS A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY REGARDING THE PRICE OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND SO THEY PUT THE BRAKES ON THE DEVELOPMENT AND IT JUST NEVER REGAINED ANY MOMENTUM AND SO YOU KNOW THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS, YOU KNOW, IDENTIFIED COST CONCERNS. YOU KNOW, REALLY THE PANDEMIC UNCERTAINTY AND FINANCING AS IN A VARIETY OF OTHER SIMILAR REASONS FOR WHY THE PROJECT NO LONGER IS VIABLE. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. AND A PLANNING SUPERVISOR CARSON DE LA DID WE HAPPEN TO KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE THE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL THE AZTECS ARE ZONING WHAT WAS THE ZONING AT THE TIME THAT THESE OPERATORS YOU KNOW TOOK STARTED WORKING ON THESE AND I'M SORRY IF I'M PLAYING STUMP THE PLANNER NO NO THAT'S GET A CHAIR OVER COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION AND I'M NOT SURE BACK IN THE 90S I DON'T KNOW. PLANNING MANAGER JOHNSON IF YOU HAVE ANY CONSIDER A STOP ON THERE. YEAH SORRY. YEAH NO I THIS IS STUDY SESSION IF WE COULD HAVE THAT FOR THE NEXT YEAH ABSOLUTELY IT'D BE GOOD TO KNOW THAT MAKES SENSE. I CAN LIKELY FIND THAT INFORMATION CHAIR AS CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM. I HAVE IT SOMEWHERE AND I CAN GET IT FOR YOU IN A SECOND. I JUST HAVE TO LOCATED IN MY NOTES HERE BUT OKAY I MAPPED OUT THE WHOLE THING OKAY COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM IT INTERESTINGLY I BELIEVE AT LEAST ONE OF THE PROPERTIES WAS ON C US ONE ONE OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER IN THE AGENDA. THE REASON I BELIEVE THAT IS BECAUSE THE THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE THAT AMENDED THE CODE TO ALLOW REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING WAS IN THE C. S ONE AND CO1 DISTRICTS. THANK YOU CHAIR. COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM THAT'S CORRECT. IT WAS 1986 SO THE ADDED TO THE C. S ONE AND CO1 DISTRICTS IN 1986 AND THEN THE TEMPORARY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT STARTED ISSUING IN 1998 FOR PARK AND FLY IN THE 1991 I BELIEVE FOR PARK AND GO SO SO THEY STARTED AND THEN THEY WERE REZONE TO HSR IN 2005 SO THAT'S BRINGS US TO WHERE WE ARE NOW. THANK YOU MR. TUSK YOU ARE CHAIR TWO MORE QUESTIONS IF I'M ALLOWED TO GO FORWARD. THANK YOU. PLANNING MANAGER JOHNSON YOU MENTIONED SOME GUIDANCE FROM COUNCIL ABOUT DENSITY OF HOUSING UNITS PER ACRE IN THESE TYPES OF AREAS. IS THAT A A MANDATE FROM COUNCILOR GUIDING? I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF IT WAS SOMETHING THAT NEEDED TO HAPPEN OR IF IT WAS A SUGGESTION YEAH. CHAIR COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM IT'S NOT A MANDATE IN SO MUCH AS THE MET COUNCIL REVIEWING UNLESS THERE WOULD BE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO A SPECIFIC PROJECT TYPE THEY ARE NOT REVIEWING THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS REVIEWING THE CITY'S LAND USE GUIDANCE THAT IS APPLICABLE TO THE UNDERLYING SITES AND SO THOSE HAVE MINIMUM EXPECTATIONS AROUND DEVELOPMENT INTENSITY TYPICALLY IN THE FORM OF DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DENSITY BUT ALSO IN THE SAKE OF COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL USES THE UNDERLYING ZONING THAT THAT DEPLOYS OR CONNECTS WITH THE LAND USE GUIDANCE HAS MET FOR REQUIREMENTS AND SO YOU MIGHT HAVE A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OR SITES THAT HAVE A FAIR AMOUNT OF INTENSITY OR FLOOR AREA RATIO ON ONE PORTION OF THE SITE AND HAVE A LOWER PORTION ON THE OTHER AND IT KIND OF BALANCES AND THAT'S BEEN AN APPROACH THAT BLOOMINGTON HAS USED SUCCESSFULLY OVER TIME I WOULD ARGUE. BUT NO, THE MET COUNCIL IS NOT REVIEWING OUR DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS WHERE THEY REVIEW OUR PLAN IS AT THE FUTURE LAND USE GUIDE PLAN LEVEL. WHAT LAND USE CATEGORIES ARE YOU APPLYING TO THESE SITES AND WHAT ARE THE DENSITY EXPECTATIONS? SO THAT'S WHAT CONNECTS WITH THEIR GUIDANCE AND THE TRANSPORTATION POLICY PLAN AROUND MINIMUM 25 UNITS PER ACRE AVERAGE DENSITY WITHIN A HALF MILE OF A STATION AREA SOON TO BE 35 UNITS PER ACRE. SO ALL RIGHT. AND LAST ONE FOR NOW. THANK YOU CHAIR. WHEN THE SOUTH OF DISTRICT PLAN WAS IN THE WORKS IN IT AND ULTIMATELY ADOPTED WERE MOST BUSINESSES IN THE SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT AREA ENGAGED IN THAT KIND OF THAT WORK TO PUSH THAT PLAN FORWARD? CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? I AGAIN I APOLOGIZE IF I'M PLAYING STUMP THE PLANNER. YEAH SURE. CHAIR COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM THAT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN REPORT BACK TO YOU IN MUCH BETTER DETAIL BUT SIMILAR TO ANY EFFORT ALONG THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN A DISTRICT PLAN THERE CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOT OF AVENUES TO ENGAGE WITH THE PUBLIC IN A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS ABOUT THE DISTRICT. ABSENT THOSE SPECIFIC DETAILS IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW I PREFER TO REPORT BACK TO YOU AND I CAN BE MORE PRECISE ABOUT WHAT THE CITY'S EFFORTS WERE AND NONE OF THE STAFF PRESENTING TO YOU BEFORE THIS EVENING WERE WORKING WITH THE CITY IN 2012. THANK YOU. YEP. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE A QUESTION. I'M A SNEAK IN HERE BECAUSE I WANT TO PLAY WE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SOUTH TOWN AND ISSUES AND SEWER CAPACITY. MR. JOHNSON, YOU MENTIONED SEWER CAPACITIES HERE AND PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE OF HIGHER DENSITY. HAS THAT SEWER HAS THE INCREASE IN SEWER CAPACITY ALREADY HAPPEN? SO WE'RE READY TO GO AND DEVELOPMENTS READY TO HAPPEN OR WOULD THERE NEED TO BE ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE PUT IN INCREASED SOMETHING OR OTHER IN ORDER TO SEE THAT THAT LEVEL OF HIGHER DENSITY? CHAIR ALBRECHT I BELIEVE THERE IS ADEQUATE SEWER CAPACITY AVAILABLE TO THIS PORTION OF THE SOUTH LOOP IN THE SOUTH OF DISTRICT OVERALL I WOULD DEFER THE SPECIFICS TO CITY ENGINEER JULIE LONG. I DON'T KNOW IF SHE CAN BE PROMOTED IN THE WEBEX. THANK YOU MS. BROWN I CHAIR PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. WE HAVE DONE SEVERAL SEWER CAPACITY PROJECTS ALREADY IN THE SOUTH LOOP. THERE ARE A FEW THAT ARE REMAINING THAT DO DEPEND ON IF THE DEVELOPMENT CONTINUES TO HAPPEN AT THE RATE THAT IS PROJECTED INCLUDING ONE THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO UNDER TRUNK HIGHWAY 77. THANK YOU. THAT'S HELPFUL. MY OTHER QUESTION WHICH YOU MAY HAVE EXTRA SLIDES ON BUT I SHOULD HAVE ASKED THIS IN ADVANCE WHAT DOES 1200 PARKING STALLS IN A STRUCTURE PARKING LOOK LIKE IN COMPARISON TO SURFACE PARKING AND HOW MUCH AREA DOES THAT ACTUALLY I MEAN I KNOW IT'S IT DEPENDS YOU COULD GO SUPER HIGH OR WHATEVER BUT GENERALLY 1200 STALLS WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IN STRUCTURED PARKING VERSUS IN THE 12 POINT WHATEVER ACRES AND HAVE SURFACE BEARING ON DRAWBRIDGE WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD SAMPLE AND THAT'S THE PARKING FLY PARKING STRUCTURE THAT'S ABOUT 1100. SO YOU KNOW WE COULD WE COULD GIVE YOU THE FOOTPRINT OF THAT TO TAKE A MEASUREMENT. BUT YOU CAN SEE IT'S YOU KNOW ,IT'S A IT'S A SUBSTANTIAL FOOTPRINT CERTAINLY YOU KNOW, THIS THIS PARKING STRUCTURE IS ONLY A FEW LEVELS. YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY PARKING STRUCTURES GET TALLER AND THAT HEIGHT COULD BE ACCOUNT POTENTIALLY ACCOMMODATED WITHIN THE SOUTH OF DISTRICT AT SOME POINT YOU RUN INTO OPERATIONAL PROBLEMS AND YOU KNOW CONVENIENCE AND THEN EVEN AIRPORT HEIGHT LIMITS. BUT CERTAINLY YOU KNOW THERE'S THERE'S POTENTIAL TO HAVE SOME SOME HEIGHT FOR A PARKING STRUCTURE BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS ABOUT AN 1100 STALL RAMP. >> SO ROUGHLY HALF THE AMOUNT OF AREA MAYBE LESS. YEAH, A THIRD TO 50% MAYBE. SURE. THE CUTOFF. WELL, THANK YOU, MR. WHITE. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I'M NOT SURE WHO THE QUESTION IS FOR SO YOU ALL CAN TAKE A SWING AT IT WHO I WANTED. I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. THE FIRST ONE I. I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS IS THERE OFFSIDE? WHAT? PARKING AIRPORT PARKING OUTSIDE OF THE SOUTH LOOP ANYWHERE IN BLOOMINGTON OR IS IT JUST CURRENTLY RESTRICTED TO THE THE FACILITIES YOU MENTIONED SPECIFICALLY TONIGHT IN THE SOUTH LOOP CHAIR ALBRECHT MR. WHITE THERE ARE NO REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING FACILITIES THAT WE KNOW OF AND IF THERE ARE THEN THEY'RE OPERATING ILLEGALLY, OKAY. >> I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY I JUST WAS CURIOUS OF YOU KNOW THERE'S THERE'S ALWAYS THE CHANCE THAT THERE'S SOME UNDER THE COUNTER REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING IN HOTELS BUT WE WE'RE JUST NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THAT COULD BE. >> AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS I'M CURIOUS IS DID YOU DO ANY KIND OF RATE COMPARISON ON WHAT THE COST IS TO PARK AT AN MSP LOT VERSUS PARKING AT AN OFFSITE PARKING LOT? I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IN COST IS FOR FOLKS WHO HAVE TO PAY TO PARK AT ONE OR THE OTHER? >> SURE. COMMISSIONERS GENERALLY THE COST WE CAN'T GIVE YOU A PRECISE NUMBER BUT GENERALLY THE COST TO PARK AT THE AIRPORT IS IS MORE AND AND SO THERE IS AN INCENTIVE TO USE A REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING FACILITY. YOU LOSE A LITTLE BIT OF THE CONVENIENCE JUST BECAUSE IF YOU'RE AN AIRPORT IT'S YOU KNOW PRETTY CLOSE BUT THERE ARE THERE IS A COST SAVINGS I COULDN'T TELL YOU WHAT PERCENTAGE I'M SURE YOU KNOW WE CAN WE CAN RESEARCH THAT AND GET A MORE PRECISE ANSWER FOR YOU. BUT GIVEN THE DEMAND THAT WE SEE AT THE REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING FACILITIES, IT MUST BE SUBSTANTIALLY ENOUGH BECAUSE THEY'RE FULL. MADAM CHAIR, I WOULD APPRECIATE JUST GETTING AT LEAST SOME ROUGH NUMBERS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING STATISTIC TO TO LOOK AT TO PIGGYBACK KIND OF ON THAT WHAT ANECDOTALLY IT SEEMS LIKE ALL THE AERIAL IMAGES WE HAVE SEEM LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF CARS IN THOSE LOTS. WOULD YOU SAY THAT'S VERY TYPICAL OF A TYPICAL YOU KNOW VERY TYPICAL THAT IT'S VERY PARKED THERE OR ARE THERE DOWNTIMES IS IT CYCLICAL ALL ANY IDEA THERE YOU KNOW COMMISSION IS THERE THERE IS SOME SEASONALITY CERTAINLY YOU KNOW I SUSPECT THAT YOUR SPRING BREAK AND THE A TYPICAL TRAVEL WEEKENDS YOU KNOW IF IT'S BUSY AT THE AIRPORT CHANCES ARE IT'S GOING TO BE BUSIER FOR THE MOST PARKING FACILITIES. BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING THEIR OCCUPANCY VEHICLE OCCUPANCY IN THEIR LOSSES IS EXEMPLARY IF YOU WANT TO USE THOSE TERMS. BUT YOU KNOW THE THE PERCENTAGE ISN'T SOMETHING THAT ISN'T DATA THAT WE'RE PRIVY TO. THANKS. MR. WHITE THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. AND I GUESS I'VE JUST SIMILAR TO I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S LIKE THERE'S AN OCCUPANCY RATE FOR HOTELS I'M WONDERING IF WE HAVE OCCUPANCY RATE FOR YOU KNOW THAT THE PARKING RAMPS AT MSRP AND AND FOR THE THE THE PARKING OFFSITE PARKING FACILITIES IF THERE'S ANY ABILITY TO GET THAT DATA AT ALL. >> I'M TRYING TO THINK IF WE WE DID GET SOME OCCUPANCY INFORMATION FROM MAC BUT DOESN'T REALLY ANSWER THE QUESTION DIRECTLY YEAH BUT IF NOT I UNDERSTAND BUT IF IT'S POSSIBLE IT'D BE IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. THANKS. INFORMATION COMMISSIONER. YOU SIR. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. MY QUESTION A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND A FOLLOW UP QUESTION MAYBE WAS THE ANNUAL OR THE NUMBER OF ANNUAL PASSENGER RATE OF MSP AIRPORT COMPARATIVE TO OTHER CITIES WITH SIMILAR ANNUAL PASSENGER RATES? WAS THAT ALSO ESSENTIALLY COMPARED AND DID IT DID THE DATA SHOW THAT IF IT'S MORE STRICTER OR LESS RESTRICTIVE IN TERMS OF ALLOWING THESE TYPES OF PARKING? THE COMMISSIONER WE DIDN'T TRY TO EVALUATE LIKE A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN UH PASSENGER VOLUME AND THE REGULATORY STRUCTURE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A VERY DIFFICULT RELATIONSHIP TO STUDY. SO WE JUST HAVE MORE QUALITATIVELY EVALUATED WHAT WE FELT WERE SIMILAR I GUESS GEOGRAPHIC SITUATIONS AS IN IN TERMS OF LIKE THE BUILD STRUCTURE OR BUILD FORM AROUND AN AIRPORT. BUT JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WE DO NOT EVALUATE LIKE PASSENGER VOLUME. OKAY? BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING BECAUSE LIKE FOR EXAMPLE I SAW DALLAS ON THERE AND LIKE DFW IS I BELIEVE THE SECOND MOST, YOU KNOW, ANNUAL PASSENGER RATE BUT IT'S DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THE TWIN CITIES IN TERMS OF POPULATION ROUGHLY . SO THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO LOOK AT. BUT I, I GUESS MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS UH AND I, I SAW THAT THERE'S LIKE THAT COUNCIL HAS LIKE A 35 UNIT PER ACRE LIMIT AND IF WE WERE TO AND IF THAT THAT WERE TO BE YOU KNOW IF THERE WERE TO BE A RESIDENTIAL OR RESIDENTIAL UNITS BUILT ON THESE LOTS AND LET'S SAY YOU WERE TO TAKE TEN ACRES OF THAT I'M NOT A DEVELOPER OR ANYTHING BUT LET'S SAY YOU'RE TO TAKE TEN ACRES OF THAT 12 ACRES AND DEVELOP AND I DO HAVE THE SURFACE AREA DATA HERE BUT HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING RIGHT THAT EQUAL LIKE 350 UNITS AND IF YOU'RE TWO TIMES THAT BY 1.5 CARS EACH UNIT OR YOU KNOW FAMILY UNIT THAT EQUAL 525 CARS GOING IN AND OUT OR DAILY OR YOU KNOW SO WHEN YOU COMPARE THAT TO FOR EXAMPLE THE PARKING FLY THAT HAS A SURFACE OR HAS MAXIMUM LOTS OF 2000 2000 BASICALLY TO ROUGHLY 2000 TO 2059 WHAT HOW MUCH OF THAT DO YOU I GUESS ME PERSONALLY OR THE ENVIRONMENTAL DIVISION THINK IT'S IT'S A DIFFERENCE ON ENVIRONMENTAL AND TRAFFIC AND THINGS LIKE THAT I'M SURE YOU'RE ASKING LIKE THE THE JUST THE TRAFFIC IMPACT THAT WOULD BE GENERATED BETWEEN LIKE A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AND A AIRPORT PARKING FACILITY. YEAH. WITH THOSE NUMBERS YEAH YEAH ROUGHLY BECAUSE I KNOW ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED ON THERE I BELIEVE IN BOLD WAS LIKE ENVIRONMENTAL AND TRAFFIC IMPACT. SO YEAH, I MEAN GENERALLY SPEAKING COMMISSIONER WHEN WE HAVE REDEVELOPMENT THERE ARE NEWER OR MODERN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS THAT PLAY NAMELY STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT RULES OR REGULATION IN THE 80S WAS JUST NOT ANYWHERE NEAR WHAT IT IS TODAY. AND SO YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ENGINEERS BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING YOU CAN YOU WOULD ANTICIPATE A MUCH MORE RIGOROUS STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM AS PART OF A NEW DEVELOPMENT COMPARED TO WHAT'S EXISTING ON SITE TODAY IN TERMS OF THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GENERATED UH, I MEAN WE WE DID NOT DO LIKE A TRAFFIC STUDY AS PART OF OUR AIRPORT STUDY BUT AS PART OF NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR TEAM IS CONSTANTLY REVIEWING WHAT IS THE ANTICIPATED GENERATION AND CAN CITY STREETS HANDLE THAT THAT TRAFFIC DEMAND DUE? MR. JOHNSON YEAH. CHAIR COMMISSIONER YOU SAY IF I MAY ADD JUST A LITTLE BIT TO THAT AS CERTAINLY FROM EXCUSE ME I HAVE A FROG IN MY THROAT CERTAINLY FROM THAT COUNCIL'S PERSPECTIVE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF TRANSIT SUPPORTING USES AROUND TRANSIT . SO WHILE A TYPICAL HOUSEHOLD JUST ON THE SINGLE FAMILY SIDE MIGHT GENERATE TEN TRIPS PER DAY, A MULTIFAMILY UNIT A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN THAT IF A SITE IS WELL SERVED BY TRANSIT SUFFICE TO SAY IT'S GOING TO HAVE LESS VEHICLE TRIPS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT TRANSIT IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO GET WHERE THEY NEED TO GO SO THAT THAT ALSO INFORMS REDUCTIONS IN PARKING REQUIREMENTS WITHIN OUR ZONING CODE AND FLEXIBILITY THAT THE CITY HAS SUPPORTED IN THE PAST. SO I THINK JUST BOTTOM LINE FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, I MEAN JUST EVALUATING THE KIND OF ENVIRONMENTAL EFFICACY OR PERFORMANCE OF THESE DIFFERENT USES RESIDENTIAL OR MIXED USE THAT'S IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO TRANSIT IS GOING TO HAVE IT'S GOING TO BE A MORE EFFICIENT LAND USE FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF TRANSIT UTILIZATION AND CERTAINLY THERE COULD BE REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING FACILITIES THAT INTEGRATE WITH TRANSIT AS WELL. THAT'S NOT HOW THE TWO CURRENT OPERATIONS OPERATE IN TERMS OF OFFERING SHUTTLE SERVICE BUT THAT'S NOT THEY WOULDN'T BE PRECLUDED FROM UTILIZING TRANSIT CERTAINLY I DON'T BELIEVE THEIR CUSTOMERS ARE EITHER IF THEY DESIRE TO. I BELIEVE MOST TAKE SHUTTLES BUT THE POINT BEING IS THAT'S JUST KIND OF ANOTHER WAY TO THINK ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT I SUPPOSE OF THESE DIFFERENT LAND USES. NO THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU BOTH FOR THAT INSIGHT. LAST FINAL QUESTION IF YOU DON'T MIND. MADAM CHAIR, IS IS THERE A IS THERE A STUDY OR DATA ON IF THERE'S ALREADY ADEQUATE PARKING IN BOTH TERMINAL ONE AND TWO LIKE COMPARED COMPARATIVE TO THE ANNUAL PASSENGER RECORD WITH THE STATE THERE SO IS THAT YEAH. CHAIR ALBRECHT COMMISSIONER EAST. THE OTHER 2040 LONG RANGE PLAN FOR THE AIRPORT I THINK THEY KIND OF ESTIMATED THAT YOU KNOW I DON'T RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE BUT I KNOW THAT REPORT DIVED INTO IT AND THERE WAS A GOOD TECHNICAL MEMO FROM KIMBERLY HORN THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET OR LINKED IN THE PACKET I BELIEVE TO THAT KIND OF TOUCHES ON SOME OF THAT. SO I WOULD SAY MAYBE JUST ANECDOTALLY AND LIKE THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD WITH MAC I KNOW THEY'VE IDENTIFIED LIKE WANTING TO EXPAND PARKING AT TERMINAL TWO AS THEY ANTICIPATE MORE I GUESS DEPARTURES AND ARRIVALS IN TERMINAL TWO AND WANTING TO PROVIDE MORE PARKING THERE. AND THEN JUST THE REALITY OF THAT THE GREEN AND GOLD LIGHT IS KIND OF REACHING ITS END OF USEFUL LIFE AND IS GOING TO NEED TO BE REPLACED ALSO KIND OF NECESSITATES FOR THEM TO THINK ABOUT SOME OTHER WAYS BECAUSE IT IS PRETTY LANDLOCKED AND WHERE THEY CAN EXPAND AROUND TERMINAL ONE AND KIND OF THINKING ABOUT WHAT WHAT THEY CAN KINDF DO IN THE INTERIM AS THEY'RE WORKING TO REDEVELOP SOME OF THAT. SO I GUESS I CAN JUST TALK IN GENERAL SENSE LIKE THAT AND BUT DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC NUMBERS. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION, MR. JOHNSON ABOUT COMMISSIONER S'S QUESTION REGARDING LET'S SAY THEORETICALLY A MULTIFAMILY WAS ON THAT PARCEL NOT EVEN MULTIFAMILY. LET'S SAY THAT THE PARKING FIRE PARKING GO OR WHOEVER WOULD UTILIZE TRANSIT VERSUS UTILIZING A SHUTTLE WOULD THEY THEN NOT HAVE TO PAY THE AMOUNT TO THE AIRPORT REGARDING TRIPS? YOU KNOW. CHAIR ALL RIGHT. I WOULD DEFER TO MIKE AND I WILL ANSWER THE QUESTION BUT THEY CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BUT IF YOU'RE NOT SENDING SHUTTLES YOU'RE NOT PAYING A PER SHUTTLE FEE ON THAT BASIS. SO YES, THAT THEORETICALLY BUT I ASSUME THAT THAT IS BUILT INTO THE COST OF THEIR PACKAGE. SURE. I'M JUST CURIOUS I'M ALL RIGHT. LET'S GET TO THE QUESTIONS BECAUSE THIS IS A STUDY ITEM AND I KNOW YOU'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK AND GUIDANCE FROM US. LET'S START WITH THE FIRST QUESTION AND DISCUSS LONG TERM VISION AND GOALS OF BOTH THE COMP PLAN SOUTH OF DISTRICT PLAN AND TO WHAT DEGREE IS REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING COMPATIBLE? I WILL KICK US OFF AT I DON'T THINK IS COMPATIBLE AT ALL AND I THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT ISN'T A VALID USE AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE OBVIOUSLY A HIGH LEVEL OF NEED WANT DEMAND ALL OF THAT WITHIN THE CITY. DOES IT NEGATE ANY OF THAT BUT DOES IT IS IT COMPATIBLE WITH THE CITY'S LONG TERM VISION AND GOALS? I THINK THE CITY COUNCIL BY NOT GIVING I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH ONE IT WAS THE EXTENSION ON THE INTERIM USE PERMIT WAS A VERY CLEAR SIGN AT LEAST TO ME THAT IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S COMPATIBILITY THERE WITH WHERE WE WANT THE FUTURE TO BE FOR THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AND PARTICULARLY SOUTH LOOP. NOW THAT BEING SAID, I I'VE I'VE SAID THIS MULTIPLE TIMES IN MY TIME HERE BUT BUT WE SHOULD NOT LET PERFECTION GET IN THE WAY OF PROGRESS EITHER . AND SO FOR EXAMPLE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LYNDALE AVENUE RETROFIT PLAN. YES. DO WE WANT HIGHER DENSITY? DO WE WANT WALKABILITY? YES, WE WANT ALL OF THAT IN LINDA AVENUE. BUT RIGHT NOW THE MARKET OR AT LEAST RECENTLY THE MARKET WITHIN THE LAST FIVE YEARS HAS CALLED FOR SELF-STORAGE AT LEAST FOR ONE SELF-STORAGE FACILITY AND IS THAT IDEAL? NO. IS THAT WORK WITHIN THE DISTRICT PLAN? NO, BUT THERE IS DESIGN STANDARDS THAT MAKE IT A LOT MORE APPEALING AND A LOT MORE FRIENDLY TO A WALKER ALONG LYNDALE AVENUE. IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK I'M MOST PROUD OF BEING ON THIS COMMISSION OR MY TIME AND I THINK THAT THOUGH IT IS NOT COMPATIBLE IT STILL HAS VALUE AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE I'M THAT'S WHERE THE RUB IS FOR ME IS VALUE IN TERMS OF VALUE TO OUR COMMUNITY, TO PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN OUR COMMUNITY, TO THE VALUE TO OUR OUR ECONOMY, OUR TAX BASE, ALL OF THAT THAT IS VALUABLE. WELL, IS IT COMPATIBLE? I DON'T THINK SO. THE OTHER THAT'S FOR SURE, HONEY. THANK YOU, CHAIR. I AGREE. YOU KNOW, AS THE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SOUTH OF DISTRICT PLAN ARE WRITTEN IT'S NOT SUPER COMPATIBLE BUT I ECHO YOUR DON'T THAT PERFECT GET IN THE WAY OF WHAT WAS YOUR EXACT WORDING SORRY TO YOUR TAKEN A DRINK BUT DON'T LET PERFECTION GET IN THE WAY OF PROGRESS EXACTLY AND SO I YOU KNOW I LIKE THE KIND OF THAT THAT MATRIX OF WHAT WHAT OUR OPTIONS IN THE FUTURE WOULD BE AND AND KIND OF WHO THEY HELP WHO THEY HURT AND YOU KNOW MY ONE OF MY MOTTOS IN LIFE IS YOU DON'T GET WHAT YOU DESERVE YOU GET WHAT YOU NEGOTIATE. SO I THINK THAT HAVING YOU KNOW, KIND OF MEETING IN THE MIDDLE WITH A USER THAT'S AN ESTABLISHED BUSINESS IN THE CITY THAT'S PROVIDING TAX BASE JOBS AND A SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY IN BOTH BLOOMINGTON AND IN THE REGION AT LARGE I, I THINK WE CAN MEET SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE THAT MIGHT WE MIGHT NOT BE NO ONE MIGHT WALK AWAY HAPPY BUT LOOK WELL AT LEAST MOVE FORWARD AS OPPOSED TO BEING IN THIS MORATORIUM. THANK YOU. >> I'M GOING TO MAKE ONE OTHER COMMENT ON MORATORIUMS. I DON'T LIKE THEM. IT'S HARD. THEY'RE HARD BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE TO WE ARE IN TIME DEPENDENT TO BE MAKING ON SOME SORT OF DECISION AND THEN WE'RE MAKING DECISION BASED ON LITTLE TWEAKS FOR EXAMPLE FOR SELF-STORAGE THAT MORATORIUM JUST BASICALLY TURNED INTO ANOTHER MORATORIUM AND MY AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE THERE'S TINY LITTLE THINGS THAT YOU YOU PLACE TINY PLACES YOU CAN ACTUALLY DO SELF-STORAGE AS OF RIGHT NOW AND THOSE ARE PROBABLY NOT VERY FEASIBLE SO MORATORIUM IS BUT THE ONE THING THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT WAS THE USE OF INTERIM USE PERMITS OR CONDITIONAL YOU KNOW, TEMPORARY CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS. I THINK THE CITY NEEDS A BETTER PROCESS ON WHAT INTERIM ACTUALLY MEANS BECAUSE IT'S CONFUSING. YOU HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR A TEMPORARY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT HAS BEEN RENEWED. HOWEVER MANY TIMES 15 TIMES. THAT'S TO ME THAT IS NOT VERY TEMPORARY. IT DOESN'T FEEL TEMPORARY TO ME. IT DOESN'T FEEL INTERIM TO ME. AND SO IF THIS WAS A REAL THIS WAS A REAL GOAL OF THE CITY, THIS IS WHERE WE WANTED TO GO WHICH I DO THINK IT IS IT SAYS IT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IT SAYS IN IN THE SOUTH TO SOUTH PLAN THERE NEEDED TO BE A CAP ON IT. WE NEEDED TO HAVE SAID YEAH WE CAN GIVE YOU AN INTERIM USE PERMIT IT CAN BE THIS PERIOD OF TIME AND MAYBE YOU CAN EXTEND IT ONCE SO YOU CAN HAVE IT FOR TEN PERIOD TEN YEARS OR WHATEVER IT HAPPENS TO BE. BUT SOMEONE ONCE TOLD ME THAT A SLOW OR A FAST NO IS BETTER THAN A SLOW YES AND THIS FEELS A LITTLE BIT LIKE THAT TO ME WHERE WE'RE SAYING LIKE WELL YEAH YOU CAN KIND OF. SO I THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE I'M AT IN TERMS OF IS IT COMPATIBLE NOW? IS IT WHAT WE WANT FOR THE SOUTH LOOP PLAN? NO, BUT WE ALSO WANTED A GROCERY STORE AND IT DIDN'T REALLY WORK OUT THERE EITHER. SO WHERE COULD IT BE ACCOMMODATED? >> I THINK IT COULD BE ACCOMMODATED WHERE IT IS BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE HIGHER DENSITY. I THINK WE NEED TO BE SEEING STRUCTURED RAMPS. I KNOW THAT THAT IS NOT IDEAL FOR THE PERSON WHO'S DOING A PARKING FLY AND THEN THEY HAVE TO GET THEIR SUITCASE AND ROLL IT DOWN AND DO ALL THAT JAZZ AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S A PAIN BUT WE WANT TO ALLOW SPACE AND BREATHING ROOM FOR THE DEVELOPMENT TO ACTUALLY HAPPEN AND IF WE AREN'T DOING ANYTHING RIGHT NOW TO KIND OF PUT THAT FORWARD OR AT LEAST MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION THEN WE'RE BASICALLY IN THE SAME PLACE THAT WE WERE BY SAYING YEAH YOU CAN KIND OF OPERATE HERE I'M SORRY I'M I DON'T NEED TO BE ADDING MORE BUT ANYONE ELSE CAN. MR. WHITE THESE THINGS ARE SO DIFFICULT. I THINK THE ANSWER TO THE FIRST QUESTION IS IS CLEARLY THAT A BIG OLD EMPTY PARKING LOT OR EVEN A PARKING LOT FULL OF CARS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SOUTH LOOP IS NOT WHAT WE WANT FOR THE SOUTH LOOP. WE AREN'T MAKING ANY MORE LAND IN BLOOMINGTON. WE ARE HEMMED IN. WE'VE GOT WHAT WE'VE GOT. WE HAVE RESPONSIBILITY TO DEVELOP IT IN A WAY THAT IS, YOU KNOW, RESPONSIBLE TO THE CITIZENS AND THE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LIVE HERE TO THE BUSINESSES THAT WANT TO DO BUSINESS HERE, TO THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE ARE STEWARDS OF. AND THOSE THINGS DON'T ALWAYS PROVIDE EASY ANSWERS AND HOW WE BALANCE THEM AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES BUT I ALSO RESPECT THAT THESE ARE RESPONSIBLE BUSINESSES WHO HAVE OPERATED IN GOOD FAITH FOR 30 YEARS AND IT'S NOT FAIR TO CHANGE THE RULES EVEN IF YOU HAVE SAID FOR 30 YEARS THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO CHANGE THE RULES SOMEDAY. AND SO I HOPE THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND THAT THERE'S SOME WAY TO CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH SOME REDESIGN, SOME IMPROVEMENTS, SOME WAY TO INCREASE THE AND IMPROVE THE USE OF THE LAND TO NOT JUST BE A BIG PAVED LOT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S TO THE BENEFIT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TO THE BENEFIT OF THE BUSINESSES AND AND AND FRANKLY I DO BELIEVE THAT OFF REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING IS COMPATIBLE JUST THE WAY WE'RE DOING IT ISN'T COMPATIBLE AND THAT'S THAT'S THE RUB BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THE AIRPORT SHOULD HAVE A MONOPOLY ON PARKING AT THE AIRPORT. SO I THINK THERE SHOULD BE OTHER OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE WHO NEED TO GET TO THE AIRPORT AND DON'T WANT TO PAY OR AREN'T ABLE TO PAY THE HIGHER PRICE TO PARK THERE. AND I'M GLAD THAT THERE ARE OPTIONS OF A VARIETY OF OPTIONS INCLUDING THE THE THE LOTS AND THE AIR, YOU KNOW, THE HOTELS AND THE PARK AND RIDES AND WHATEVER WHATEVER ELSE WE CAN COME UP WITH TO MAKE IT EASIER AND MORE EQUITABLE AND ECONOMICAL FOR PEOPLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE AIRPORT. I'LL STOP THERE. COMMISSIONER ISSA YEAH, I'LL THROW SOMETHING IN THERE TOO. >> WELL TO ANSWER THE FIRST QUESTION OBJECTIVELY, YOU KNOW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND AND SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT PLAN AND THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS NO IT DOESN'T IT'S JUST THE REALITY. YOU KNOW IF YOU KNOW IF YOU TAKE A DEEP DIVE INTO THAT I THINK MOST PEOPLE COME TO THE SAME ANSWER. BUT I DO THINK THAT HAVING THE FLEXIBILITY FOR HELP WHETHER IT'S RESIDENTS, TOURIST HAVING THE AND CHEAPER OPTION THAT'S NOT TOO FAR FROM THE AIRPORT OF COURSE IS IS A GOOD THING I GUESS I DIDN'T ANSWER THIS MAYBE THE ANSWER THE SECOND QUESTION BUT THAT'S KIND OF MY OVERALL TAKE WITH THAT AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE DATA ON THE IMPACT ON THOSE SPECIFIC HIGHLIGHTED PORTIONS ESPECIALLY LIKE THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND TRAFFIC IMPACT IF THESE LOTS OR PARKING FLY PARKING GO LOTS WERE TO STAY AND SO VERSUS IF THEY WERE NOT TO AND THERE YOU KNOW IT IT WOULD BE MOSTLY RESIDENTIAL OR MIXED USE OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. I THINK THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL TO YEAH SO I GUESS I'M KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE BUT YEAH THAT'S MY OVERALL TAKE. YEAH. MR. JOHNSON SURE. ALBERT CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION THAT MIGHT HELP SUPPORT FACILITATE YOUR CONVERSATION AND CONSIDERATION OF THE OPTIONS MIGHT BE OF THE ABILITY TO PULL BACK UP THE POLICY OPTIONS SLIDE OH GREAT IDEA. THANK YOU. I WAS JUST ABOUT TO ASK THAT. YEAH. THANK YOU. RETHINKING THIS SLIDE NOW THE CHART I THINK THE COLOR CODED TABLE. THANK YOU. AND WE CERTAINLY CAN BRING UP THE SLIDE RELATED TO PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR THAT PORTION AS WELL. MR. CUNNINGHAM THANK YOU CHAIR KIND OF AS I'M LOOKING AT THIS I'M YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE FULL PACKET I'M REALLY ENTHUSED BY THE EXHIBIT FIVE FROM THE PACKET WHICH IS THE PARKING GO PLAN I THINK KIND OF MAKING IT A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT YOU KNOW BUT STILL HAVING THE PARKING WHICH IS THE CORE BUSINESS MODEL OF THE OWNER AND OPERATOR OF THE SITE I THINK THAT THAT'S A A GOOD MIDDLE GROUND AND I I'M LEANING YOU KNOW, IF I WAS TO IF YOU SAID WE NEED TO PICK ONE OF THESE TONIGHT, I'D BE WANTING TO TALK A LOT ABOUT PROBABLY LEANING MORE TOWARDS NUMBER FOUR BUT NUMBER THREE COULD BE AN ARGUMENT COULD BE MADE FOR IT BUT KIND OF GOING BACK TO THE MORATORIUM IN TERM USES, THINGS LIKE THAT. I'M AGAINST NUMBER TWO. I'M AGAINST NUMBER FIVE BECAUSE IT KIND OF GOES DIRECTLY AGAINST THE OR EXCUSE ME IT GOES DIRECTLY AGAINST NUMBER FIVE GOES DIRECTLY AGAINST KIND OF THE THE IDEA OF THE CITY BEING IN A POSITIVE RELATIONSHIP WITH BUSINESSES OPERATING IN THE CITY. A NUMBER ONE KIND OF GOES DIRECTLY AGAINST THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND SO I THINK IT'S 3 OR 4 IS KIND OF THE UNHAPPY MIDDLE GROUND WE NEED TO PROBABLY FIND. THANK YOU. I TOTALLY AGREE I, I, I THINK THREE AND FOUR ARE SORT OF THE REASONABLE OPTIONS AND I SAW THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT AND THEN SAW THE EXTENSION OF THE ROSA DEVELOPMENT AND THEN THE EXTENSION OF THE ROSA DEVELOPMENT AND I LOVE THAT PROJECT I THOUGHT IT WAS I THOUGHT THE DESIGN WAS PHENOMENAL. I THOUGHT IT MAINTAINED THE USE THAT WAS ON THE SITE SO THAT THEY COULD CONTINUE DOING BUSINESS. I THOUGHT IT WAS REASONABLE TO HAVE THIS SLOW ROLL OF DEVELOPMENT MILESTONES LIKE MR. SENT SCENARIOS DIDN'T WORK BUT I LIKED IT. I LIKED THE IDEA OF IT. I THOUGHT THAT AND AND HERE'S HERE'S WHERE I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT SORT OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS OR DEVELOPMENT MILESTONES OR WHATEVER WE PUT A NAME TO IT SOMETHING ALWAYS KIND OF GETS IN THE WAY AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT WHAT THOSE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS ARE AND HOW WE DEFINE THEM BECAUSE I MEAN WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, LUMBER PRICES SKYROCKETING. I CAN'T REMEMBERLL THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WERE SKYROCKETING BUT IT WAS CRAZY. PRICING WAS INSANE AND NOW WE'RE ON THE CUSP OF POTENTIAL TARIFFS RIGHT? AND SO THERE'S UNCERTAINTY AND THAT'S I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT SORT OF THE DEVELOPMENT WORLD AND THAT'S KIND OF THE THE RISK THAT SOME PEOPLE REALLY LIKE NOT FOR ME BUT SOME PEOPLE REALLY LIKE I BUT WE KIND OF AT LEAST HAVE TO HOLD SOME FEET TO THE FIRE TO SAY LIKE I UNDERSTAND THAT THINGS MIGHT CHANGE BUT HERE'S HERE'S WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO AND I THINK THAT THAT GIVES PEOPLE AT LEAST THE PARAMETERS OF WHAT WE'RE WHAT THE WORKING WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO VERY CLEARLY VERSUS SORT OF THE SLOW OKAY, WE'LL APPROVE THIS OR THEN WE'LL DO THIS AND THEN WE'LL DO THIS BUT MAYBE WE'LL STOP. SO NOW I'M KIND OF GOING BACK ON MY MY VOTE TO EXTEND THE PROJECT. MR. WHITE. MADAM CHAIR, I WELL I THINK THERE'S I THINK THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS HERE. I THINK THERE'S THE THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE ALREADY OPERATING AND THEN THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR FUTURE. AND I THINK THAT WHILE I WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL AND WORK WITH THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE ALREADY OPERATING AND AND TRY AND FIND A HAPPY SOLUTION THERE, I DON'T WANT TO SEE MORE OPEN LOT YOU KNOW PARKING LOT OFF SITE PARKING I THINK I THINK THAT WOULD BE A MISTAKE . SO I DO THINK THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT A POLICY I THINK THAT FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT I THINK THE DIRECTION THAT WAS DISCUSSED OF IT'S A YOU KNOW, IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE WHERE YOU HAVE EXTRA PARKING SPOTS. SURE. YOU KNOW, LET SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING TO THE AIRPORT RENT IT OUT FOR YOU. YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE EXTRA ROOM IN YOUR PARKING GARAGE. YOU HAVE A LITTLE EXTRA ROOM AND YOU KNOW YOUR YOUR HOTEL PARKING FACILITY NOT NOT A LOT BUT YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S THAT'S USED FOR OTHER PURPOSES AND THIS IS JUST A LITTLE, YOU KNOW, SIDE BUSINESS. YOU KNOW I'M I'M MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT AND I THINK THAT THAT THAT'S THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARTICULARLY IN THE SOUTH LOOP. I THINK THAT'S SORT OF A SEPARATE CONVERSATION AND THEN HOW WE WORK WITH THE EXISTING BUSINESSES WHO WOULD BE THEN OUT OF COMPLIANCE IF WE PASSED THAT KIND OF A A POLICY MOVING FORWARD. AND I THINK IT'S JUST GOOD TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE SOLUTION TO THAT IS. BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S IT'S YOU KNOW, IT IS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. SO. CHAIR COMMISSIONER WHITE, CAN MY FAMILY AN APPROACH TO CITIES TAKEN IN THE PAST YOU KNOW A COUPLE OF TIMES AND MR. JOHN TO BE ABLE TO EDUCATE THE RECORD BETTER THAN I BUT TREATING ESTABLISHED BUSINESSES AS YOU DIFFERENT USE CLASSIFICATION OR WITH NO PERFORMANCE STANDARDS OR MINIMAL AS OPPOSED TO NEWLY ESTABLISHED WHERE THERE'S PERFORMANCE STANDARDS A COUPLE THINGS LIKE THAT THAT MIGHT HAVE TO HAPPEN SO THAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST. I DON'T I MAKE NO OPINION ON WHETHER THAT'S A GOOD PLANNING PRACTICE. MR. JOHNSON BE ABLE TO KIND OF EDUCATE THAT BUT WE'VE DONE THAT JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT'S IT'S KIND OF TALKED ABOUT AS AN OPTION ON ON THE RIGHT BUT THAT'S HAPPENED BEFORE SO JUST FOR THE RECORD I'M NOT REALLY A FAN OF GRANDFATHERING BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THAT SOMETIMES THAT'S WHAT IT'S TRADITIONALLY CALLED I THINK IN THE NOTES BUT I KNOW SOMETIMES IT HAPPENS. MR. CHAIR. ALBRECHT AND I'LL I'LL THE DEVELOPMENT HISTORY IS MORE COMPLICATED IN THIS CASE FOR THESE TWO EXISTING OPERATORS. SO I'M GOING TO SET THAT TO THE SIDE FOR JUST ONE SECOND JUST TWO MORE ILLUMINATE THIS CONCEPT THAT ATTORNEY KOTOWSKI IS TALKING ABOUT. BUT FOR THOSE AROUND THE BOARD A LITTLE BIT LONGER WE WENT THROUGH SOME WE ESTABLISHED A NEW ZONING DISTRICT CALLED THE TRANSITIONAL INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT. CERTAINLY THERE ARE SOME EXISTING USES THAT ARE INDUSTRIAL IN NATURE THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE TO THRIVE, HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXPAND OR RENOVATE OVER TIME. IF THEY WERE A NONCONFORMING USE THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO DO SO. THEY EFFECTIVELY WOULD BE FROZEN WITH SUBSTANTIALLY EQUIVALENT USE AND FACILITY AS THEY AS HOW THEY OPERATE TODAY. AND SO MR. TUSK IS CORRECT THAT IN SOME CIRCUMSTANCES BLOOMINGTON HAS CREATED SEPARATE USE CLASSIFICATIONS FOR USES THAT ARE IN EXISTENCE BY SUCH AND SUCH DATE TYPICALLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE SO THAT CERTAINLY IS SOMETHING THAT IS AN OPTION HERE. I THINK MIKE IN HIS PRESENTATION INDICATED THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR THESE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF AIRPORT PARKING FACILITIES IS MAYBE BENEFICIAL OR APPROPRIATE DEPENDING ON THE APPETITE OR THE POLICY DIRECTION AND GUIDANCE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL. SO IF THAT'S FEEDBACK THAT YOU WISH TO DELIVER TO US, THAT'S HELPFUL AS WE CONTEMPLATE TRYING TO CRAFT A POLICY IN THE FORM OF AN ORDINANCE THAT IS REFLECTING YOUR AND CITY COUNCIL'S GUIDANCE, I GUESS WHAT AND THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD TRANSITION TO PERFORMANCE STANDARDS BECAUSE THE DEVIL IS ALWAYS IN THE DETAILS OF WHAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS WOULD BE FOR EITHER EXISTING FACILITIES OR NEW FACILITIES. BUT I THINK FOR THE PURPOSES OF KEEPING THE MOMENTUM IN THE DISCUSSION PERHAPS YOU CAN PROVIDE STAFF BROAD GUIDANCE IN TERMS OF ONE OF THESE POLICY OPTIONS EITHER AS IT AS A TOTALITY OR AS IT PERTAINS TO THOSE TWO DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AS I SPOKE ABOUT. AND THEN WE COULD STEER THE CONVERSATION TO PERFORMANCE STANDARDS . >> COMMISSIONER WHITE THEN I GUESS I'M KIND OF LEANING TOWARDS NUMBER FOUR. YEAH, I'M KIND OF IN THAT BEING TOO ANYONE ELSE COULD BE YOU'RE GOING TO YEAH I AGREE. I THINK NUMBER FOUR IS PROBABLY THE THE PATH WE SHOULD START DOWN AND THEN IF SOME IF SOMETHING CHANGES IN FINDINGS YOU KNOW ADDRESS IT LATER. BUT I THINK NUMBER FOUR IS OUR OUR BEST BET FOR IT NOW ARE WE STILL ANSWERING QUESTION NUMBER TWO AT ALL? I THINK WE'RE OFF OF QUESTIONS AND I JUST WANT TO SAY I WANT TO GET THIS IN THE RECORD. THIS PERSON THAT I THINK THAT PAPERING THE USE OF HOTELS USING AIRPORT PARKING WITHIN CITY CODE IS IT IS A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST A GRAY AREA. CORRECT. SO JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS THAT WAS CLEAR DIRECTION. AGREED. I MEAN I'M ON BOARD WITH THAT . YOU KNOW I'M LEANING MORE TOWARDS THE LESSER STRICT OF CAN'T COME UP WITH ONE NUMBER BUT I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH YOU KNOW THIS IS THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE SOUTH LOOP PLAN AS WELL I JUST THINK THE BEST I MY OPINION I BELIEVE COMING UP WITH A WAY FOR THESE PARKING COMPANIES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE WHERE THEY WANT GRANDFATHERED IN FOR THEM TO FOR THE CITY TO PUSH FOR DEVELOPMENT BUT AT THE SAME TIME FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO KEEP AS MANY PARKING STALLS AS POSSIBLE. YOU KNOW AND I'M COMING FROM THE THINKING ABOUT IT FROM THE CONSUMER AND AS WELL AFFORDABILITY. SO THAT'S THAT'S MY THAT'S WHERE I STAND WITH THAT TRIAL REC WOULD IT BE HELPFUL IF WE TRANSITION TO THE SLIDE ON PERFORMANCE STANDARDS? YES THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MIKE. SO AGAIN JUST TO PROVIDE A SUMMARY IF I MAY. CHAIR ALBRECHT YOU KNOW THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE SOMEWHAT INTERCHANGEABLE IN WAYS THEY'RE THINGS THAT CAN HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF COMPLIANCE OR ARE ARE VERY MUCH FOCUSED ON THE DETAIL OF WHAT THE MINIMUM OR MAXIMUM EXPECTATION OF THE CITY WOULD BE AS IT PERTAINS TO SOME OF THESE STANDARDS. SO PARKING STRUCTURE, LOCATION I MEAN I THINK THAT ONE IS MORE SELF-EXPLANATORY. YOU KNOW, WHERE DOES THIS USE THIS FEEL MORE APPROPRIATE AND OF THEM DEVELOPMENT AREA STAFF MADE A RECOMMENDATION AROUND 50% OF THE SITE SHOULD BE MADE AVAILABLE FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S JUST WHERE OUR INITIAL RECOMMENDATION STEERED US LIMITATIONS ON SURFACE PARKING MIKE INDICATED AND SHARED THAT YOU KNOW THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOME NEED WHETHER IT BE QUICK ACCESS PARKING OR DROP OFF AREAS OR SOME OF THESE TYPES OF THINGS THAT'S TYPICALLY A STANDARD THAT WE SEE IN SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES WE STUDIED DESIGN STANDARDS, PARKING STRUCTURES. I FEEL THAT'S PRETTY SELF-EXPLANATORY AND AGAIN TIES BACK TO THE DISTRICT PLANS EMPHASIS ON CREATING A SENSE OF PLACE WITHIN THE SOUTH LOOP. SEVERAL OF THE MORE RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED PARKING STRUCTURES IN SOUTH LOOP HAVE A FAIRLY EFFECTIVE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES INCORPORATED INTO THEM INCLUDING THE SLICK RAMP THAT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW. AND THEN THE JUST THE PARKING PIECE CERTAINLY AS MIKE INDICATED, SOME OF THESE USES ARE ON THE HOTEL SIDE BUT JUST DEMONSTRATING THAT YOU HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING SUPPLY IN ORDER TO BE DOING THIS USE AND OBVIOUSLY THAT GOES UP AND DOWN AND I KNOW SOME USERS HAVE PRETTY EFFECTIVE DATA AND WAY TO TRACK THAT SOME HAVE LESS SO AND SO GETTING TO A POINT WHERE YOU KNOW THE THE CITY IS COMFORTABLE OR CONFIDENT AND THE SUPPLY OF AIRPORT PARKING THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WHAT IS THE PROCESS TO DEMONSTRATE THAT EFFECTIVELY THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE WERE MOST FOCUSED ON IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS? >> MR. JOHNSON JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FOR EXISTING OR POTENTIALLY NEW DEVELOPMENT. >> SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION STANDARDS ALONG THESE LINES COULD BE APPLIED TO BOTH. THEY COULD BE SELECTED AND PARSED OUT WHERE YOU THINK THEY'RE MOST APPROPRIATE DEPENDING ON THOSE TO USE SCENARIOS THAT I TALKED ABOUT. UM CERTAINLY AS I SPOKE ABOUT THE GOALS OF THE COMP PLAN AND THE UM THE DISTRICT PLAN WE'RE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THE EFFICIENCY OF LAND USE AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND ACHIEVE THE THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT GOALS OTHERWISE. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE OUR ADVOCACY AND OUR DIRECTION WENT. BUT WE WELCOME YOUR GUIDANCE AND FEEDBACK AND WHAT YOU THINK IS MOST APPROPRIATE TO BE SURE. YEAH. UH YEAH. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. SO IF YOU INCLUDE LIKE IF YOU TAKE ONE OF THESE PARKING LOTS OR BOTH AND YOU ADD ON THE MINIMUM MINIMAL MINIMUM DEVELOPMENT AREA 50% AND THEN YOU HAVE A LIMIT OF SURFACE AREA PARKING RIGHT? HOW MUCH IF THERE IS DATA ON THIS, HOW MUCH WOULD THAT DECREASE IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGE THE MAX AMOUNT OF PARKING STALLS OR YEAH, PARKING LOTS I GUESS AND THIS IS MY SECOND KIND OF SECOND QUESTION IS IS THERE A HEIGHT REQUIREMENT IN THAT IN I GUESS I KNOW IT'S TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS BUT GENERALLY FOR LIKE PARKING GARAGES IN THAT AREA? YEAH, SURE. CHAIR ALBRECHT COMMISSIONER, YOU SAID I THINK THE I'LL TRY I'LL TRY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SUCCINCTLY. THE INTENSIFICATION OF PARKING IN A STRUCTURE UM UH I THINK COULD LEAD TO MORE SUPPLY IN TERMS OF STALLS THEN MUCH MORE SUPPLY THAN WHAT THE TWO FACILITIES HAVE TODAY. SO FOR EXAMPLE IF YOU IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT PARKING GO I'M SORRY PARKING FLY LET ME JUST GET TO THAT SLIDE. I WONDER HOW OFTEN SOMEONE MAKES A RESERVATION AT ONE AND THEY GO TO THE OTHER ONE. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M SURE IT HAPPENS BECAUSE I CAN'T KEEP THEM APART MYSELF. SO I THINK THE PARKING PLACE SITE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT OF HOW YOU CAN INTENSIFY PARKING SO YOU HAVE THE SURFACE LOT UH, YOU KNOW THAT TAKES ROUGHLY TWO THIRDS OF THE SITE AND THAT'S ABOUT 1100 PARKING STALLS AND THEN YOU HAVE THE STRUCTURE, THE PARKING STRUCTURE MUCH SMALLER AN AREA AND IT'S ROUGHLY EQUIVALENT IN TERMS OF THE AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED AND THAT THE PARKING STRUCTURE COULD BE TALLER. IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE AN OFFICE BUILDING ON TOP OF IT SO THAT PARKING WAS INTENDED TO SERVE AN OFFICE BUILDING, NOT TO BE A REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING FACILITY. SO I THINK TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I DON'T ENVISION IF THE NUMBER FOUR OPTION IS SELECTED AND THESE OPERATORS BUILD PARKING STRUCTURES, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE A REDUCTION IN THE PARKING SUPPLY THAT THEY HAVE. I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN WHAT THEY HAVE TODAY. YEAH. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S GOOD. THAT WAS THAT WAS A BIT OF MY WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION TOO BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT THERE IS THERE'S POTENTIALLY FOR AND I KNOW THAT BUILDING A A STRUCTURED PARKING FACILITY IS NOT CHEAP. I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT I KNOW THAT THERE'S POTENTIAL FOR THAT TO BE AS LUCRATIVE IF NOT MORE LUCRATIVE. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MY CAR COVERED IN THE WINTER UM FOR FOR THAT THOSE SPECIFIC SITES. MR. JONES CHAIR ALBRECHT THANKS. I WAS JUST GOING TO MAKE IT CLARIFY I MEAN OUR HEIGHT LIMITS IN THE SOUTH LOOP ARE SITE SPECIFIC BECAUSE OF THE AIRPORT HEIGHT LIMITS. BUT JUST YOU KNOW GENERALLY SPEAKING THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU KNOW, YOU CAN BUILD A STRUCTURE OF 150, 270FT IN HEIGHT. SO THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF STORIES. SO I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT DATA POINT. YOU KNOW, JUST AGAIN THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OFFICE TOWERS IN THIS AREA AND I CAN'T IMAGINE A PARKING STRUCTURE GOING TO THAT HEIGHT BECAUSE THEN YOU JUST YOU JUST LOSE EFFICIENCIES. SURE. AND NO ONE'S GONNA WANT TO YOU KNOW, DRIVE UP EIGHT LEVELS AND THEN HAVE TO GO DOWN AN ELEVATOR WITH THEIR LUGGAGE SO THERE'S THERE'S SOME I'M SURE THERE'S A HAPPY HAPPY POINT IN TERMS OF HEIGHT COMMISSION ON HERE. THANK YOU CHAIR COULD WE PULL THE THE POTENTIAL PERFORMANCE STANDARDS BACK UP? I JUST WANTED TO I'VE BEEN RAMBLING A TON TONIGHT AND I WANTED TO JUST KIND OF RAPID FIRE ON THIS. SO AS FAR AS WHAT PERFORMANCE STANDARDS I WOULD WOULD LIKE THE CITY TO EXPLORE PARKING STRUCTURE LOCATION I THINK THAT'S A YES. WE SHOULD AT LEAST GUIDE THAT YOU KNOW CLOSER PROXIMITY TO THE 494 CORRIDOR IN THIS SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THE TWO EXISTING OPERATORS MINIMUM DEVELOPMENT AREA. I THINK THAT THAT MAKES SENSE AS WELL TO TO GUIDE THAT FUTURE DEVELOPMENT LIMITATIONS ON SURFACE PARKING I WOULD SAY IT'D BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO MAYBE GET FEEDBACK FROM OUR OPERATORS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT LIMITING THE NUMBER OF SHUTTLES TO THEN RUIN THEIR SERVICE WHERE THEY CAN'T IF THEY HAVE SIX SHUTTLES AND WE HAVE FOUR GATES HERE YOU KNOW FIVE PARKING SPOTS OUTSIDE MIGHT BE A PROBLEM. ENHANCED INTERIOR DESIGN STANDARDS IS SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO CAUTION STAFF TO NOT BE TOO HEAVY HANDED WITH YOU. CHAIR YOU MADE THE POINT EARLIER THAT PARKING GARAGES ARE NOT FREE AND COMMISSIONER YOU SO YOU'VE MADE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT HOW THIS IS A MORE AFFORDABLE OPTION FOR THOSE GOING TO THE AIRPORT TO PARK IF WE HAVE BLANKET MANDATED FACADE REQUIREMENTS ON THE PARKING STRUCTURES OR MANDATED RENEWABLE ENERGY OR SOLAR WIND POWER REQUIREMENTS ON THESE STRUCTURES, THEN THAT WOULD RAISE THE COST TO BUILD THE STRUCTURE AND LIKELY RAISE THE COST PARKING. I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE AN ASSUMPTION ABOUT THE BUSINESS OF THE OPERATORS BUT THAT JUST SEEMS TO MAKE A LOGICAL SENSE TO ME. SO I WOULD SAY I THINK SOME MAKING OF THE PLACE TRYING TO FIT THIS INTO THE SOUTH OF DISTRICT IS A GOOD IDEA BUT TRY NOT TO BE TOO HEAVY HANDED WITH I GUESS RECOMMENDATIONS THE DEMONSTRATING ACCESS PARKING SUPPLY MAKES TOTAL SENSE MORE INTENSE DENSE DEVELOPMENT. I THINK BY THE NATURE OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING THE OPERATORS TO DO THAT COMES WITH THE THE TERRITORY PROXIMITY TO MSP AIRPORT. YES, I THINK WE'RE KIND OF ALREADY THERE AS WELL AND THEN ENHANCED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT WOULD BE BE MEETING ANY APPLICABLE CURRENT CITY CODES SO ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT WOULD NEED UNDERGROUND DETENTION OR STORMWATER PONDING OR YOU KNOW WHATEVER WOULD NEED TO BE REQUIRED FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND THEN LANDSCAPING. I GUESS THAT LAST ONE WAS KIND OF A QUESTION WOULD THAT BE THE CASE WHERE WE'D NEED TO MEET IF ANY NEW BUILD NEEDS TO MEET CURRENT CODE AND ZONING STANDARDS CORRECT? CHAIR COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM THAT'S CORRECT. THE SOUTH OF DISTRICT PLAN TALKS ABOUT LOW IMPACT DESIGN TECHNIQUES AND WAYS TO MANAGE STORMWATER IN A MORE SUSTAINABLE WAY PUT SIMPLY SO I THINK SOME OF THOSE THINGS WOULD BE WE WOULD LOOK BACK TO THE DISTRICT PLAN, CONNECT WITH OUR STORMWATER RESOURCE ENGINEERS, GET TRY AND GET SOME IDEAS FOR THEM OF WAYS TO DO THAT. THAT'S THAT'S FRANKLY A MORE SUSTAINABLE MANNER JUST IN SUPPORT OF THE DISTRICT PLAN AND THE POINT ABOUT MORE INTENSE DENSE DEVELOPMENT I JUST WANT TO BE MORE PRECISE ABOUT KIND OF WHAT THAT WOULD CONTEMPLATE DOES IF YOU HAD REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING ON A PORTION OF THE SITE THEN THE MINIMUM FOR EXPECTATION POTENTIALLY WOULD BE INCREASED AS A TRADEOFF TO THAT ON THE REMAINING PORTION OF THE THE SITE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. WE DIDN'T LAND AT A SPECIFIC NUMBER. WE TALKED ABOUT SOME NUMBERS BUT I JUST DON'T RECALL IS HOW MUCH DETAIL WE GOT INTO BEYOND JUST THE PREMISE. SO RIGHT THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION MR. JOHNSON I'M NOT TRYING TO PLAY STUMP THE PLANNER. WHAT IS THE CURRENT HSR FOR REQUIREMENTS? I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD I'M SORRY IT'S BEEN DOING THAT A LOT TONIGHT. THAT'S OKAY. I DON'T RECALL THE FARE REQUIREMENT OFFHAND. WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT IT TAKES OUR DISTRICT DOES REQUIRE A CERTAIN LEVEL OF INTENSITY ALREADY IT REQUIRES THERE TO BE A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT OF 30 UNITS AN ACRE WHICH IS WHICH IS FAIRLY DENSE DEVELOPMENT AND THEN OF COURSE WE CAN ALL GET THROUGH THAT A OUR NUMBER I JUST DON'T REMEMBER OFFHAND I SHOULD KNOW WHAT IS IT OKAY. WELL AS FAR AS 1.5 AND SO THAT'S ON A THAT'S ON A PERSONAL BASIS. SO ANY TIME WE'RE GETTING ABOVE AN OFFER OF ONE YEAR THERE'S SOME LAND USE INTENSITY. AND SO WITH THAT MATRIX OUR DISTRICT THERE'S EVEN DENSITY BONUSES AS WHERE YOU CAN GO YOU CAN HAVE BONUS INCREASES IN DENSITY FOR A VARIETY OF FACTORS. IT'S LIKE A MENU OF OPTIONS. SO I GUESS TO RELATED TO THE POTENTIAL PERFORMANCE STANDARD ,THE ZONING THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE ALREADY REQUIRES A CERTAIN LEVEL OF INTENSITY. THE QUESTION IS SHOULD WE TRY TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THAT? I MADE MY FEEDBACK KIND OF INSTANTANEOUS FEEDBACK ON THAT IS A 1.5 F AIR IS ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE CALCULATING THE FOR BASED ON THE TOTAL PARCEL INCLUDING THE PARKING GARAGE THAT AT 1.5 WOULD BE FAIRLY DANCE FOR RESIDENTIAL HOUSING OR YOU KNOW FINISHED COMMERCIAL SPACE THAT IF HALF OF THE SITE IS A GIANT PARKING AREA IN A CHAIR SO GETTING INTO THE DETAILS RIGHT IT THERE BE TWO WAYS WE COULD CALCULATE THE FOR REQUIREMENT IS THAT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY LIKE THE ENTIRE 12 PLUS ACRES OR LET'S SAY WE HAVE A 50% MAXIMUM DEDICATED TO AIR FOR PARKING AND THEN 50% OF THE AREA DEDICATED TO NOT AIRPORT PARKING. ONE OPTION WOULD BE TO CALCULATE THAT FOR THE AREA THAT IS NOT AIRPORT PARKING. SO THAT WOULD LEAD TO A SMALLER DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENT. BUT IF WE HAVE A FLOOR AREA THAT'S BASED ON ALL 12.5 ACRES, THAT'S TREMENDOUS. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS GETTING AT. THAT'S THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT WAY BETTER THAN I COULD. YEAH I'M NOT SURE HOW I FEEL ON THAT. I GUESS THIS IS THE STUDY SESSION WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GIVE FEEDBACK TONIGHT. I THINK IF WE'RE CALCULATING ENOUGH THE WHOLE SITE WE SHOULD NOT GO HIGHER THAN 1.5 IF WE'RE CALCULATING IT OFF OF THE 50% THE PROPOSED 50% DEVELOPMENT AREA I WOULD DEFER TO CHAIR ALBRECHT ON THAT. I FRONT BASED ON YOUR PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE I GUESS WHAT WOULD A REALISTIC OF A RB ON A SIX ACRE SITE THAT'S STUMP OPERATE NOW I GUESS MR. JOHNSON DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION OR MAYBE JUST WHAT'S WHAT'S FOR THE ROSA MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT I'M STILL PLANNING SOME EXCELLENT EXCELLENT QUESTIONS THAT I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER. CHAIR ALBRECHT COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THIS IS THAT I THINK WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE SECOND APPROACH IS LIKELY MORE FEASIBLE YOU KNOW, NOT APPLYING IT ACROSS THE FULL SITE WOULD NOT BE FAIR REASONABLE TO ANY POTENTIAL FUTURE DEVELOPMENT EFFORT IN TERMS OF MEETING THAT STANDARD AND WHAT I WOULD ADD TO THAT IS THAT IF YOU WERE TO INCREASE THE CITY'S EXPECTATIONS ON THE REMAINING DEVELOPMENT AREA, WHATEVER THAT PROPORTION IS, YOU KNOW IT HAS TO BE REASONABLE, IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE REFLECTED AND SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED IN THE MARKETPLACE. I GUESS THINKING IT THROUGH WE TALK ABOUT SOUTH ALL THE TIME. I THINK THAT HOLDING THE 1.5 F AIR FOR THE OTHER 50% IF WE GO DOWN THAT PATH WOULD BE THE RIGHT MOVE BECAUSE IT WOULD DRIVE KIND OF MORE IT WOULD DRIVE LESS DEMAND TO KIND OF MAXIMIZE THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT AND THE BUILDABLE AREA SO YOU COULD GET SOME MORE ACCURATE AMENITIES OR YOU KNOW KIND OF A GARDEN SPACE, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE TO INSTALL IN A DEVELOPMENT BUT MIGHT IF YOU'RE BUILDING A TWO STORY BUILDING AND YOU MEET YOUR THREE STOREY FOUR STOREY BUILDING AND YOU MEET YOUR OFF AIR THAT WAY THEN YOU CAN YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAXIMIZE YOUR FLOOR PLATE AS MUCH AND THAT'S I THINK WHAT I LIKED ABOUT THE ROSA DEVELOPMENT TOO WAS THAT THERE WAS VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT GREEN SPACE AND SORT OF THIS AREA THAT INTERACTED WITH THE STREET. SO I AGREE WITH YOU O THAT. I THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE WANTING TO CREATE MORE PEDESTRIAN INTERACTIVITY THAN WE NEED TO REALLY THINK ABOUT LANDSCAPING GREEN SPACE, ALL THAT JAZZ. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM AND HIS SPEED ROUND OF PERFORMANCE STANDARDS. I THINK 50% IS REASONABLE. I AGREE THE PARKING STRUCTURE NEEDS TO BE AT THE HIGHWAY. IT'S A TOUGH PLACE TO HAVE ANYTHING AND WE HAVE SEEN IN BLOOMINGTON A LOT OF CAR DEALERSHIPS BE SUCCESSFUL THERE SO WHY NOT MORE CAR USES THERE? I DO THINK THERE SHOULD BE A LIMITATION ON SERVICE PARKING. I AGREE THAT YOU KNOW, TALKING WITH THE THE OPERATORS TO SEE WHAT'S WHAT'S REASONABLE IN THAT SEEMS TO BE A GOOD ONE MY ONLY THOUGHT ABOUT I'M GOING BACK TO PARKING STRUCTURE LOCATIONS MY ONLY THOUGHT ABOUT PUTTING THE PARKING AS CLOSE TO THE FREEWAY AS POSSIBLE IS WE MAY COME INTO SOME ACCESS ISSUES BECAUSE THOSE LOTS ARE KIND OF FUNKY BUT AGAIN I'M NOT A PLANNER NOR AM I A DESIGNER NOR AM I A DEVELOPER. SO BUT I REALLY THINK THE ENHANCED EXTERIOR DESIGN STANDARDS AND I KNOW COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM SAID THERE IS AN INCREASED AMOUNT OF COST I THINK THAT BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT. IT'S IMPORTANT IN THAT WE WANT SOUTH LOOP TO HAVE A THERE THERE AND PARKING LOTS STRUCTURE PARKING LESS DOESN'T GIVE US A THERE THERE LIKE THE SICK PARKING LOT REALLY FEELS LIKE SOUTH LOOP EVEN THOUGH IT'S A PARKING LOT THERE'S SOME DESIGN ELEMENTS OF IT THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN JUST CONCRETE EVEN THE PARKING FACILITY THAT IS AT THE TOYOTA DEALERSHIP THERE'S SOME DESIGN STUFF THAT THEY THEY DID THERE THAT REALLY IS IT'S MUCH BETTER THAN JUST CONCRETE STRUCTURE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE DESIGN STANDARDS WOULD BE BUT DEFINITELY STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND THAT'S JUST KIND OF IT. BUT AND LANDSCAPING FOR SURE I THINK LANDSCAPING DOES CAN DO A LOT THAT MAYBE YOUR DESIGN STANDARDS DON'T NEED TO DO. COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM SORRY. THANK YOU CHAIR JUST TO CLARIFY I'M NOT AGAINST THE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THE EXTERIOR YOU KNOW ENHANCEMENTS TO THE EXTERIOR DESIGN OF PARKING STRUCTURES. I JUST WAS TRYING TO CAUTION THE CITY NOT TO BE HEAVY HANDED TO STOP SOMETHING FROM EVER HAPPENING. OH ABSOLUTELY IF THAT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU CHAIR ALBRECHT COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM YOU KNOW, I THINK ONE THING I COULD ADD IS COMMUNITIES HAVE REALLY GRAPPLED WITH PARKING STRUCTURES AND THERE IS SO MANY EXAMPLES OF TYPES OF DESIGN STANDARDS FOR PARKING STRUCTURES YOU KNOW AS STAFF YOUR POINTS ARE WELL TAKEN. YOU KNOW WE DON'T WANT TO REGULATE INTO OBLIVION OR SOMETHING JUST BECOMES COMPLETELY EGREGIOUS. BUT THERE ARE SOME VERY I THINK PRACTICAL DESIGN ELEMENTS THAT WE COULD INCLU . SO YOU DON'T HAVE THE SOVIET STYLE CONCRETE BUNKER OF A PARKING STRUCTURE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID . WHAT I WOULD ADD TO THAT TO CHAIRS THAT SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS BECOME MORE IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF WHICH ELEVATION OR ORIENTATION OF HOW THE STRUCTURE INTERACTS WITH THE MORE ACTIVE PART OF THE SOUTH LOOP. YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT AND THOSE STANDARDS EXIST FOR MULTIFAMILY TOO, RIGHT? WE CAN HAVE MORE OF A TIER TWO OR WHATEVER USE THAT IF WE IF THAT IS NOT FACING THE STREET. SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON PERFORMANCE STANDARDS, MR. CENTER SO DO YOU NEED ANY CLARIFICATION FROM ANY OF THAT OR DO YOU FEEL LIKE CHARLES BRECHT I THINK YOU'VE GIVEN US A LOT OF VERY POSITIVE GUIDANCE BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE I LOOK TO MR. JOHNSON AND MR. CASSIDY IF THEY HAVE ANY. YEAH, I AGREE. I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING FROM THE BOTH OF YOU AND CERTAINLY WELCOME ANY ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK ON FROM THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS BUT GENERAL SUPPORT OF THE BOLDED RECOMMENDED PERFORMANCE STANDARDS FROM STAFF WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE OTHER ADDITIONAL ONES AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SLIDE. BUT JUST TO CLARIFY AGAIN THE BULLET THE ONES IN BOLD ARE THE ONES THAT STAFF FEEL ARE THE MOST ESSENTIAL TO KIND OF ACHIEVE THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT GOALS. THE ONLY CLARIFICATION I MIGHT SEEK IS JUST WHETHER OR NOT APPLYING THESE STANDARDS UNIFORMLY TO ALL TYPES OF FACILITIES WHETHER IT BE EXISTING TODAY OR NEW AS THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD. JUST IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF NUANCE BETWEEN THAT THAT'S HELPFUL GUIDANCE FOR US TO REPORT TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON AS WELL. MR. JOHNSON I GUESS I HAVE A CLARIFYING ELEMENT I'D LIKE TO ADD. YEAH. WHEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE FIFTH BULLET DEMONSTRATING EXCESS ADEQUATE PARKING SUPPLY THAT REALLY IN MY MIND RELATES TO A NEW FACILITY THAT DOESN'T EXIST TODAY. IF YOU HAVE A REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING FACILITY WE'RE NOT TRYING TO HAVE THEM PROVE TO US THAT THEY HAVE ENOUGH SUPPLY. THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS. THIS IS MORE FOR WHEN YOU HAVE A VARIETY OF USES THAT ARE SHARING A PARKING STRUCTURE THAT'S WHERE I FEEL LIKE THAT TYPE OF PERFORMANCE AND IT REALLY COMES INTO PLAY. THANKS MIKE. YEAH I THINK THAT'S AND I KNOW YOU HAD SAID THIS EARLIER BUT IT NEEDS TO BE ACCESSORY AND I THINK ACCESSORY TO WHATEVER USE IS ACTUALLY THERE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT CAN'T BE THE PRIMARY USE SURFACE PARKING LOT. I DON'T EVEN LIKE A HOTEL SURFACE PARKING LOT SO IT SHOULD NOT BE THE PRIMARY USE . ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? COMMISSIONER ISA YEAH I WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING POTENTIAL NEW DEVELOPMENTS IN REGARDS TO THIS WARRANT THE SECOND TO LAST POINT KIND OF START OUT COMPLETELY WHEN IT COMES TO LAND BECAUSE HOW MUCH YEAH THAT'S I GUESS SURE. SHORT OF ASKING BECAUSE IT'S TO CLARIFY AS TO PROXIMITY TO MSP AIRPORT REQUIREMENT AND THAT STAFF TALK ABOUT LIKE THAT ROUGH PROXIMITY IN TERMS OF MILEAGE MILES YEAH. CHAIR COMMISSIONER YOU SAY WE DIDN'T DISCUSS SPECIFIC DISTANCE BUT WHAT EFFECTIVELY AGAIN TO THE POINT ABOUT LIMITING THE PROLIFERATION OF THE USE OKAY, THERE'S MULTIPLE WAYS TO DO THAT. ONE IS BY WHAT ZONING DISTRICTS YOU ALLOW IT IN AND WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING TO YOU IS H. S R AND CX2. SO THAT'S ONE LIMITING FACTOR. ANOTHER LIMITING FACTOR POTENTIALLY IS I DON'T ANTICIPATE EITHER OF THOSE DISTRICTS BEING APPLIED TO ANY SITES OUTSIDE OF THAT AREA THAT'S IN THE IMMEDIATE LOCATION. BUT SAY FOR THE SAKE OF DISCUSSION IT WAS AND THERE WAS A SITE THAT HAD AN EXISTING PARKING STRUCTURE BUT IT'S VERY FAR AWAY OR THERE IS A SUBJECTIVE IT'S FAR AWAY FROM THE AIRPORT IN COMPARISON TO THESE OTHER SITES. DO YOU WANT TO SET SOME LIMITS AROUND BECAUSE THAT'S ADDING YOU KNOW THAT'S ADDING VEHICLE TRIPS AND EMISSIONS AND OTHER THINGS AND IS LESS SUSTAINABLE THE FURTHER AWAY IT IS YOU KNOW WITH NOT IN PRAIRIE SOUTHWEST TRANSIT NOTWITHSTANDING. BUT SO THAT WAS THE THINKING THERE. AGAIN, WE DON'T VIEW THAT AS AN ESSENTIAL COMPONENT JUST ON THE BASIS OF WHERE YOU'RE LIMITING IT IN THE ZONING DISTRICTS. BUT IF THE NATURE OF THOSE DISTRICTS EVER WERE TO CHANGE AGAIN, I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT. BUT WOULD YOU WANT IT JUST KIND OF MORE FIRMLY ROOTED IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO MSP AIRPORT VIA A DISTANCE WHETHER IT BE A HALF MILE OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES? BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN EXPLORE. I THINK THE INITIAL GUIDANCE IS WHETHER OR NOT YOU THINK IT WARRANTS CONSIDERATION AND WE CAN DO ADDITIONAL STUDY ON IT. YEAH, I DON'T THINK THE PROXIMITY OF THE AIRPORT IS THAT BIG OF A DEAL IF WE'RE LIMITING IT TO THOSE SPECIFIC DISTRICTS, I THINK WE'RE ALREADY KIND OF SAYING THAT SO WE'RE JUST SAYING IT AGAIN BY SAYING PROXIMITY. YEAH. THANK YOU. THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE. I KIND OF FORGOT THAT THAT WE'RE LIMITED TO THOSE DISTRICTS. YEAH. CHAIR AND I THANK YOU THANK YOU FOR THIS ROBUST IT'S LONG DISCUSSION STAFFS HAD MANY LONG DISCUSSIONS ON THIS ONE BUT AND I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE TOO AS WELL AS THE PUBLIC BUT JUST CLARIFYING BULLET FOR WITH RESPECT TO DESIGN STANDARDS YOU KNOW THERE ARE EXISTING PARKING STRUCTURES IN BLOOMINGTON THAT HAVE EXPRESSED A DESIRE TO EXPLORE THIS USE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL GUIDANCE US TO KNOW WHAT TYPES OF EXPECTATIONS THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL WOULD WANT TO BE REFLECTED IN ORDINANCE RELATED TO EXISTING PARKING STRUCTURES. I MEAN I'LL LOOK TO MIKE TO CLARIFY I THINK WE VIEW THAT SUBCOMPONENT OR PERFORMANCE STANDARD AS BEING MORE REFLECTING ON NEW ANY NEW STRUCTURED PARKING BEING DELIVERED. BUT I WELCOME YOUR VIEW TO YEAH CHAIR ALBERT COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM THE NEXT RIGHT OF THE ENHANCEMENTS TO ENHANCE DESIGN ARE WE ENVISION THEM TO BE FOR NEW PARKING STRUCTURES CERTAINLY THINGS CAN BE RETROFITTED YOU KNOW WE HAVE MALL REPRESENTATIVES HERE AND I THINK THEY'D AGREE THAT EAST RAMP IS AN ATTRACTIVE PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE. SO THERE ARE THINGS THERE THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE BUT IT'D BE GOOD GUIDANCE TO TO GET FROM YOU IF YOU WANT US TO BROACH THAT ISSUE LIKE TRYING TO RETROFIT ENHANCEMENTS TO EXISTING PARKING STRUCTURES VERSUS NEW . I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY IN MY OPINION. OKAY. I THINK FOR THE EXISTING STRUCTURES IF THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY HAVE AN EXCESS OR ADEQUATE PARKING SUPPLY AND WE CAN PUT THAT TO GOOD USE, I THINK IT'S TO GOOD USE. THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT MAY TRIGGER A LANDSCAPING REVIEW OF WHERE THEY HAVE LANDSCAPING WHAT MAYBE DIDN'T MAKE IT THROUGH THE LANDSCAPING REVIEW AND CAN WE ELEVATE THAT IN SOME WAY SO THAT THERE'S A LEVEL MAYBE A LEVEL OF SCREENING NOW I'M NOT GOING TO DIE IN MY SWORD HERE WITH THAT ONE BUT I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF IT TRIGGERING AT LEAST SOMETHING A REVIEW SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A LEVEL OF LANDSCAPING AROUND SOME OF THESE STRUCTURES AT THAT POINT. HURLBURT YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT HAPPENS UNIVERSALLY IS OVER TIME IS THAT LANDSCAPING DIES. YES AND NO ONE REPLACES IT. NO, IT'S DIES A THEN IT JUST GOES AWAY. YES. SO WE USE DEVELOPER APPLICATIONS AS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO ESSENTIALLY REQUIRE REPLANTING IN ACCORDANCE WITH A PLAN THAT WAS ALREADY APPROVED OR IF THEY WANT TO BE CREATIVE THEY CAN CREATE A NEW PLAN THAT MEETS CODE REQUIREMENTS. >> YEAH I LIKE I THAT'S THE ONE THING I REALLY LIKED ABOUT YOU KNOW BEING ON THIS COMMISSION TOO IS YOU'RE SEEING THAT THAT'S REALLY IT MAKES IT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENTS. COMMISSIONER WHITE I WOULD SAID NOT NECESSARILY RELATED TO THE ENHANCED EXTERIOR DESIGN BUT IN TERMS OF THE DEMONSTRATED AN EXCESS ADEQUATE PARKING BY THE PLACES WHERE WERE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO DO THIS IS A SECONDARY I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT MY HOPE IS THAT THAT WILL BE NEAR PLACES WHERE FOLKS CAN PARK AND HOP ON THE LIGHT RAIL OR GRAB A BUS TO THE AIRPORT. YOU KNOW, OTHERWISE WE ARE AGAIN JUST ADDING SHUTTLES AND AND VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED THROUGH SHUTTLES INTO THE INTO THE MIX WHICH IS AN IDEAL BUT I YOU KNOW JUST NOT DISCOURAGING THAT JUST ACKNOWLEDGING IT I GUESS SO THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM THANK YOU CHAIR TO CLARIFY IT WAS HSR AND SIX TWO RIGHT? SO THAT'S THE HSR MOST OF SOUTH LOOP AND THEN SIX TWO IS THE MALL HERE LOOKING AT THE ZONING MAP THE THUNDERBIRD HOTEL LOT THAT'S CURRENTLY VACANT AND THEN THE I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU WOULD CALL IT THE I THINK THE MALL OWNS IT THE LOT DIRECTLY TO THE EAST THAT'S IN THE FLIGHT PATH OF THE RUNWAY. YOU WE CALL THAT EAST SLAUGHTER ADJOINING LANDS. OKAY. BUT YES, THAT'S PART OF THE MALL CAMPUS AND IS ON SIX TWO. SO KIND OF AS WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THAT THERE'S THERE'S TWO I WOULD SAY EITHER UNDERUTILIZED OR VACANT LOTS RIGHT NOW THAT THEORETICALLY COULD BE TURNED INTO AIRPORT PARKING PURSUANT TO THE REQUIREMENTS. SO WE'RE DISCUSSING THE THUNDERBIRD HOTEL SITE IN THAT FLAT PARKING LOT MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS OF WHAT WE'RE PUTTING FORTH BUT STILL COULD IN THEORY WE COULD BE GROWING THE AIRPORT PARK IF THAT'S THE APPROACH YOU WANT TO IF THAT'S THE APPROACH YOU WANT TO TAKE ,WE COULD IF YOU WANT TO GIVE US THE GUIDANCE TO LIMIT IT TO ESSENTIALLY NEW REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING FACILITIES IN EXISTING PARKING STRUCTURES. THAT IS A POLICY APPROACH YOU COULD TAKE. YEAH. IF I CHAIR IF I CAN ADD A DIFFERENT VOICE TO IT, SAY IT SAY THE SAME THING IN A DIFFERENT WAY IS JUST A FUNDAMENTAL POLICY DECISION THE CITY NEEDS TO MAKE IF IT'S GOING TO WELCOME NEW OPERATIONS IS WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE TO BE LIMITED TO EXISTING PARKING STRUCTURES AS THEY EXIST TODAY AS OF THE END OF THE MORATORIUM ADOPTION DATE OF THE NEW ORDINANCE OR WHETHER A NEW DEVELOPMENT COULD CONSTRUCT NEW STRUCTURED PARKING TO EFFECTIVELY SERVE SOME PORTION OF REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING USE. >> CAN I ASK A QUESTION THE THIRD WAY SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY? YES. YES I LOVE A THIRD. SO LET'S TAKE THE THUNDERBIRD SITE AS A SCENARIO. IT'S OWNED BY THE PORT AUTHORITY COULD SOON BE OWNED BY THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON SHOULD THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON GET INTO THE REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING CAME, YOU KNOW AND AND IF THAT IS THAT RELATES TO THE QUESTION DO WE WANT TO ALLOW NEW OPERATORS AND IF I CAN ANSWER MIKE'S QUESTION FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE NO, WE DON'T BELIEVE WE SHOULD BECAUSE IN FURTHERANCE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND DISTRICT PLAN OUR GOAL IS TO BLUNT THE PROLIFERATION OF THE USE. BUT THEORETICALLY LET'S JUST SAY THAT LOT COULD DEVELOP INTO I DON'T LIKE A TINY BOUTIQUE HOTEL OR SOMETHING AND THEN HAVE A STRUCTURED PARKING LOT WHICH I KNOW WHY THEY WOULD BUT THEN THEY COULD SAY IN THE FUTURE WELL NOW I WANT TO OPERATE REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING OUT OF MY NEWER BUT NOT BRAND NEW AND BUILT SPECIFICALLY FOR REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING. CHAIR ALBRECHT IF THE IF THE ORDINANCE OF REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING OR ACCESSORY TO A HOTEL USE ESTABLISHED A MAXIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR HOTELS THEN THAT WOULD SET LIMITS ON HOW MANY STALLS THEY COULD EFFECTIVELY ADD TO A SITE LIKE THAT. OKAY, I GUESS HEARING ALL OF THAT DISCOURSE AND DISCUSSION I MEAN IN FAVOR OF ALLOWING IT IN EXISTING PARKING STRUCTURES BUT MAYBE NOT TRYING TO LIKE YOU SAID BLUNT THE PROLIFERATION OF THIS USE. I THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD PATH FORWARD. >> THANK YOU. YEAH. I THINK USING WHAT WE HAVE TWO HIGHEST AND BEST USE IS A GREAT IDEA AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED A LOT MORE OF THIS BUT MAYBE WE DO AND IF WE DO MAYBE WE CAN FIND SPACES THAT ALREADY EXIST RATHER THAN HAVING TO FILL AREAS EVEN THOUGH THAT FIELD WOULD BE GREAT AS A AIRPORT VIEWING PARK WHICH WE'VE DISCUSSED MANY TIMES IT WAS YOU'RE GOING TO YOU SAID THANK YOU CHAIR. I WAS IN WE WE DIDN'T WE DETERMINED THAT CAN'T BE AN AIRPORT. YES OKAY GOOD TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE GOT A THREE YEAR OLD AT HOME THAT VERY INTERESTED IN THAT WE GO BACK TO THE QUESTIONS I THINK WE ANSWERED ALL YOUR QUESTIONS BUT I JUST WANT TO TRIPLE CHECK. I THINK WE DID DO WE FEEL GOOD? COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM ONE LAST QUESTION DO WE SO WHEN DOES THE MORATORIUM END AND WHEN WILL WE SEE THIS AS A PUBLIC HEARING? I'M SURE THAT THERE'S HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WATCHING ONLINE AT HOME. YES. I THINK THE MOST INTERESTED PARTIES ARE IN THE ROOM RIGHT NOW. MADAM CHAIR COMMISSIONER, THE EXACT DATES OF THE PUBLIC HEARING HAVE NOT BEEN DETERMINED YET. SO THE DATE THAT HAS BEEN DETERMINED IS WILL BE GOING TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON JUNE 16TH AND THEN YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY ASKING THEM THE SAME QUESTIONS WILL RECEIVE THEIR FEEDBACK AND THEN BASED ON THEIR FEEDBACK IT'S YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO FOLLOW UP WITH OPERATORS. WE WANT TO CERTAINLY HAVE ADDITIONAL CONVERSATIONS AMONG STAFF AND THEN WE HAVE TO START CRAFTING AN ORDINANCE THAT MATCHES THAT FEEDBACK. WE GOT THAT BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE MORATORIUM, THE MORE TERM IT ENDS AT THE END OF SEPTEMR OF THIS YEAR AND SO CERTAINLY WE WANT TO GIVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADEQUATE TIME TO REVIEW THAT AND GIVE THE CITY COUNCIL ADEQUATE TIME TO REVIEW THAT. SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU MUST TAKE ACTION TONIGHT ON AN ORDINANCE WE WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE WIGGLE ROOM. SO I THINK I DON'T KNOW MR. JOHNSON DID WE HAVE IS IT END OF JULY POTENTIALLY FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, A PLANNING COMMISSION? I CAN'T GUARANTEE ANY SORT OF DATES BUT YEAH. CHAIR COMMISSIONERS WILL CERTAINLY REPORT BACK ON THE PRECISE SCHEDULE AND WILL BE VERY PROACTIVE IN DISCUSSING THE SCHEDULE WITH THE INTERESTED STAKEHOLDERS WITH THE PUBLIC SO EVERYONE CAN GET A GOOD AND FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE. I'M I WAS JUST GOING TO REPORT BACK ON THE PRECISE DATE OF THE EXPIRATION OF THE MORATORIUM AND IT'S OCTOBER 10TH, 2025. SO WE HAVE WE HAVE TO RESCIND AND BRING AN ORDINANCE FORWARD PRIOR TO THAT DATE IS OUR GOAL. COMMISSIONER WHITE JUST ONE COMMENT FOR THE RECORD THAT I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT WE DON'T NEED MORE OFFSITE PARKING. AIRPORT PARKING I DO AGREE THAT WE SHOULD MAXIMIZE THE OTHER OPTIONS IN EXISTING LOTS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE EXISTING PARKING FACILITIES WE ALREADY HAVE AND THAT WE DON'T NEED MORE SURFACE LOT ESPECIALLY IN THE AREAS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. BUT I DON'T WANT TO JUST ASSUME THAT IT'S NOT A NEED SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE THAT FEEDBACK TO THE TO THE STAFF. SO AND I THINK THAT WILL HOPEFULLY IF YOU BRING BACK MORE DATA TO THE NEXT MEETING WE CAN HAVE AT LEAST A SENSE OF WHERE THE ACTUAL DEMAND IS . OKAY GREAT. ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED FROM US ? NO. CHAIR ANY OTHER COMMENTS? PLOTZ THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS ITEM WILL BE AS MR. CENTENARIAN MR. JOHNSON MENTIONED ON AS A STUDY ITEM FOR THE CITY COUNCIL ON JUNE 16TH, 2025 FOR FOLKS WHO ARE IN ATTENDANCE AND ALSO WATCHING, I DO WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS. I KNOW THERE'S THE LET'S TALK BLOOMINGTON SITE WHICH IS STILL UP. YUP. BUT ALSO SUBMITTING ANY SORT OF TESTIMONY INFORMATION AND HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF, I THINK I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYONE HERE AND ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC TO DO THAT IN ADVANCE OF THE THE NEXT SESSION. THANK YOU CHAIR ALBRECHT IF I CAN MAKE ONE CLARIFICATION TO THAT IS IT IS A DEDICATED STUDY ITEM MEETING FOR THE CITY COUNCIL SO THOSE ARE NOT HELD HERE IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS ACTUALLY HELD UPSTAIRS IN THE HAGUE CONFERENCE ROOM FOR THOSE WHO KNOW THE LOCATION OF THAT. SO I WILL CAN CERTAINLY CONFIRM THAT MIKE AND I WILL CONFIRM THAT WITH THE INTERESTED STAKEHOLDERS WHO POTENTIALLY WANT TO ATTEND OR PARTICIPATE IN THAT MEETING THE FINAL LOCATION. BUT JUST TO CLARIFY THE CONFERENCE ROOM, THEY DID NOT COMBINE THEIR MEETINGS LIKE WE DID. NO, THANK YOU. FAIR ENOUGH. >> ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT THAT IS THE MEETING THE MAY 22ND 2025 MEETING OF THE BLOOMINGTON PLANNING COMMISSION. >> THANKS EVERYONE. HAVE A GREAT NIGHT