. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY. WELCOME TO THIS SPECIAL CALLED BUDGET WORKSHOP. ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE. >>BILL CARLSON: HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE. >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE ARE -- WE WILL NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING OF WORKSHOP. WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER EACH ITEM -- AFTER THE PRESENTATION, EXCUSE ME. AFTER THE PRESENTATION. JUST FYI IF YOU WERE HERE AND WAITING TO TALK, YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AFTER EACH PRESENTATION. SO WE NEED TO DO AN AGENDA REVIEW, PLEASE. THE -- WHAT WAS PUBLISHED WAS THIS -- COUNCIL DISCUSSION THE RECOMMENDATION OF FISCAL YEAR 2026 BUDGET FOR 2026. MY SUGGESTION AFTER CONSULTING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION IS THIS BUDGET WORKSHOP WILL BE OVER REVENUE, EXPENSE AND CAPITAL FOR GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENTS POLICE, FIRE AND PARKS, CONSTRUCTION SERVICES AND TRANSPORTATION THAT INCLUDED A DISCUSSION ON ROAD RESURFACING. I SUGGEST THAT WE MOVE THE SOCIAL ACTION AND ARTS FUNDING TO THE END OF ONE THE WORKSHOPS ON AUGUST 11. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BY SUPPORT THAT. MAKE A MOTION -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOUR MIKE WAS NOT ON FOR SOME REASON. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SAY THAT I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. IF WE CAN GET A COPY OF THAT, THOUGH. IF TIM -- SORRY, IF TH THERE HEBERLINE CAN MAKE A COPY OF THAT. FOR ME, I NEED TO FIND AN ACTUAL COPY. SO WE DON'T GET STUCK TALKING ABOUT SOCIAL ACTION ARTS FUNDING TODAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNCIL PERSONS GET A COPY OF THE E-MAIL WITH THE PROPOSED AGENDA CHANGES THAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER. >>LYNN HURTAK: OH, THERE HE IS. CAN YOU JUST ZIP THAT THROUGH THE COPY MACHINE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DO YOU MIND? OKAY. SO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. A SECOND FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MOTION AGAIN WAS, I AM SORRY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ACCEPT THAT AS AGENDA ITEM FOR TODAY'S WORKSHOP AND DO YOU WANT IT TO IT BE THE FIRST OR THE SECOND WORKSHOP FOR THE SOCIAL ACTION FUND. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND AT THE END. >>LYNN HURTAK: SECOND. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OF THE EVENING ONE. >>LYNN HURTAK: NOT THE EVENING, BUT THE MORNING. >>MARTIN SHELBY: 8 A.M. AUGUST 11. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. SECONDED FROM COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. AYES HAVE IT. ON THE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 3 WHICH IS A RESOLUTION. JUST FOR INFORMATION, WE CAN NOT DO BUSINESS AT TODAY'S MEETING. SO WE WILL TAKE INFORMATION FROM FOY I'M NUMBER THREE AND AT THAT TIME WE WILL ASK COUNCIL TO CONTINUE THIS FOR AUGUST 7 FOR ACTUAL COUNCIL ACTION. OKAY? FYI. MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA AS AMENDED. MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. AYES HAVE IT. KICK IT OFF WITH -- WHO FROM STAFF WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT. DENNIS? >>DENNIS ROGERO: GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. DENNIS ROGERO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER. THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE ONCE AGAIN TO TALK OF NEXT YEAR'S RECOMMENDED BUDGET. WITH YOUR -- AT YOUR PLEASURE, I SHOULD SAY, WE HAVE A BRIEF KIND OF REFRESHER PRESENTATION. YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT MUCH OF THIS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHEN WE PRESENTED TO YOU -- IF YOU DON'T MIND, WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A REFRESH ON THE POWERPOINT FOR YOU. IS THAT COUNCIL'S PLEASURE? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, SIR. CAN I HAVE THE PRESENTATION UP, PLEASE. AND, AGAIN, THE TABLE OF CONTENTS FOR THE AGENDA, VERY, VERY SIMILAR WHAT WE WENT THROUGH JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO. WE WILL GO VERY HIGH-LEVEL VIEW OF THE OPERATING CAPITAL BUDGET. WE WILL TOUCH BRIEFLY -- EVEN MORE BRIEFLY ON THE SOCIAL ACTION AND ARTS FUND SINCE WE WILL BE DISCUSSING THAT NEXT WEEK. AND BECAUSE WE ARE TIED FROM THE CIP AND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AT NEXT WEEK'S WORKSHOP, WE WILL DO AN OVERVIEW OF OUR DEBT PROGRAM. AND, AGAIN, AS YOU SAW IN THE PUBLIC THAT WAS WATCHING SAW JUST A LITTLE WHILE AGO, $1.9 BILLION, ALMOST $2 BILLION OF THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR BROKEN UP BY THESE PARTICULAR FUNDS. ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND THE GENERAL FUND GET MOST OF OUR ATTENTION BECAUSE THEY ARE THE LARGEST SLICES AND THEY REMAIN SO NEXT YEAR. BEGINNING WITH THE GENERAL FUND, IN PUBLIC SAFETY AT OVER HALF, LITTLE OVER 60%. WE HAVE THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT OFFICES. THOSE BEHIND THE SCENES, THOSE BACK-OFFICE FUNCTIONS THAT KEEP THE CITY RUNNING AND PARKS AND RECREATION ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE GENERAL FUND. AND, OF COURSE, AT COUNCIL'S REQUEST, WE CONTINUE TO SHOW THIS SLIDE WHICH GIVES A VERY NICE, I THINK, CONTRAST AND COMPASSION TO WHAT WE TAKE IN OR WHAT WE ANTICIPATE WE ARE GOING TO TAKE IN NEXT YEAR IN PROPERTY TAXES. VERSES THE COSTS OFF OF POLICE AND FIRE SERVICES. IN THE UPPER RIGHT -- SORRY, IN THE UPPER RIGHT, YOU SEE WE ALSO ADDED A NOTATION THAT IS NEARLY $100 MILLION MORE THAN WHAT THE GENERAL FUND IS ANTICIPATED TO TAKE IN. AFTER WE TAKE THE $60 MILLION FOR -- OUT FOR THE CRAs. AND, AGAIN, I THINK, AT LEAST IN MY EXPERIENCE WHEN I AM TALKING TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY AND OTHERS IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT, THERE IS AN EMPHASIS -- AND JUSTIFIABLY SO -- ON PROPERTY TAXES BUT NOT SO MUCH OF THE EMPHASIS THAT IS OUR ONLY FUNDING SOURCE. OF COURSE THAT CANNOT BE OUR ONLY ONLY FUNDING SOURCE BECAUSE BE INADEQUATE FOR POLICE AND FIRE. PULLING THAT THREAD A LITTLE MORE, WE ADDED THE PARK AND RECREATION PORTION A LITTLE OVER $71 MILLION. AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE COMPARED TO THE PROPERTY TAXES, THE GENERAL FUND RECEIVES IS WILLFULLY EN ACCURATE TO PAY FOR THESE SERV SERVICES. A CONTINUING EMPHASIS ON THE FUND PAL THROUGH 2010 TO 2026 BUDGET. TO THE EXTENT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO -- SINCE 2014, KEEPING THAT 24%, 23% WHICH HAS BECOME SO IMPORTANT NOT ONLY TO US BUT TO THE CREDIT RATING AGENCIES AND INVESTORS IN THE MARKET WHEN, FOR EXAMPLE, WE CHOOSE TO FINANCE OR ISSUE DEBT. COMING FROM A HIGH YOU SEE ON THE FAR LEFT OF 2010, ABOUT $140 MILLIONISH DOLLARS OR 37%. AS WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, WE ONLY RECENTLY REACHED THAT LEVEL IN TERMS OF PURE DOLLARS. AG AGAIN. AN OVERVIEW OF OUR MAJOR GENERAL FUND REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES. AGAIN PROPERTY TAXES -- I WILL EMPHASIZE THIS IS THE SINGLE LARGEST REVENUE SOURCE FOR THE CITY AND THE SINGLE LARGEST FOR THE GENERAL FUND. THE IMPLEMENTATION, THE ANTICIPATED IMPLEMENTATION OF THE SCHOOL SAFETY CAMERAS AND WE TALKED OF PILOT PLAT. PAYMENT IN LIEU OF TAXES AND FRANCHISE FEES THE COSTS TO USE CITY RESOURCES. TO THE RIGHT, YOU SEE OUR MAJOR EXPENDITURE INCREASES. AS HAVE BEEN TYPICAL, SALARY AND BENEFITS INCREASE IS THE LARGEST BY FAR AT 30 MILLION. A LITTLE ROUNDING THERE. FOUR AND A HALF FTEs, FULL-TIME EQUIVALENT POSITIONS. CRA CONTRIBUTIONS ARE INCREASING NEARLY $6 MILLION. ASKING FOR AN INCREASE IN THE TECO STREETCAR BUDGET OF $2 MILLION. HART ROUTE ONE, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY CIRCLED BACK TO YOU YET, MA'AM -- OKAY, APOLOGIZE. I WAS OUT ON VACATION. A QUESTION HAS SURFACED THAT .4 MILLION, THE $400,000. IS THAT AN INCREASE TO THE PROGRAM CONTRIBUTION? THE PROGRAM CONTRIBUTION IN TOTAL WAS ABOUT $1.6 MILLION. THIS IS NOT AN INCREASE TO THAT. THIS IS SIMPLY AN ACCOUNTING ISSUE ASSOCIATED FROM MOVING FROM ONE FISCAL YEAR TO THE OTHER. AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU SUSPECTED, MA'AM, YOU ARE CORRECT. I HAVE SHARED WITH THE ADMINISTRATION YOUR DESIRE TO INCREASE THAT TOTAL CONTRIBUTION, BUT THAT .4, $400,000 IS NOT AN OVERALL INCREASE IN THAT PROGRAM. AND YOU HAVE INCREASED COST OF NEARLY $10 MILLION. AND, AGAIN, I THINK THIS IS A VERY GOOD PICTURE OF HOW TIGHT THE TOLERANCES ARE GOING INTO FISCAL YEAR '26. AGAIN MAINTAINING OUR FUND BALANCE, PUTTING THE ESSENTIALS IN THE OTHER FUND BALANCES LIKE EMERGENCY RESERVES, ETC. YOU SEE THAT THE WIGGLE ROOM FOR INCREASED LEVELS OF EXISTING SERVICES AND ANY NEW SERVICES AT THIS SCALE, VERY TIGHT A LITTLE OVER $5 MILLION. I WANT TO RE-EMPHASIZE OUR MILLAGE COMPASSION COMPARED TO -- WELL, OUR COMPARISONS. COMPASSION CITIES, ORLANDO, ST. PETERSBURG AND MIAMI. WE CONTINUE TO COME IN BELOW THEM AS YOU WOULD EXPECT FROM A CITY THAT HAS ONLY RAISED ITS MILLAGE ONCE IN THE LAST 30 YEARS. OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FOR THE FIVE YEARS 2026-'30. A LITTLE OVER $ 45 MIL-- $345 MILLION. MANY OF THEM CONTINUED PROJECTS AND MANY OF THEM ANTICIPATED TO BE FUNDED FROM FINANCING, WHICH WE WILL GET INTO IN -- JUST MORE INTO IN JUST A MOMENT AND DISCUSS IN MORE AT THE TAIL WITH THE WORKSHOP. THE SOCIAL ACTION AND ARTS FUND HOUSING. SOCIAL -- I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN HOUSING OUT OF OF THERE. BUT AGAIN, EVIDENTLY WE WILL DISCUSS THAT IN MORE DETAIL NEXT WEEK. SO I DON'T BELABOR IT, BUT A QUICK RECAP TO THE NONPROFITS. WE ARE RECOMMENDING $1 MILLION EVEN AND WE ARE ALSO RECOMMENDING THE FUNDING YOU SEE HERE FOR THE CITY ASSETS, THE AQUARIUM, THE ZOO, THE STRAZ, ETC. WE HAVE WEE SEPARATED ECONOMIC AND OPPORTUNITY FUNDING ALSO. OUR DEBT PROGRAM. AGAIN, ALWAYS LIKE TO BRAG AND ALWAYS LIKE TO CONGRATULATE THE MAYOR, COUNCIL AND THE ENTIRE CITY TEAM FOR THESE OUTSTANDING RATINGS AND THESE UPGRADES. AGAIN, WE ARE BREATHE WILLING VERY, VERY HEAVY AIR WHEN IT COMES TO OUR RATINGS. AND I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S SUPPORT IN CONTINUING THIS. WE HAVE -- DEBT ISSUE ANSWERS OVER A QUARTER BILLION OVER THE NEXT THREE TO FIRE YEARS. AND WORKING WITH THE DEPARTMENTS AND THE COUNCIL WE TRY TO TIME THAT SO WE DON'T BORROW THE MONEY UNTIL WE NEED TO BORROW THE MONEY. AS COUNCIL KNOWS, WE HAVE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE NOT ONLY IN OUR CREDIT RATINGS BUT IN OUR TIMING OF THE MARKET WHEN WE DECIDED TO FINANCE. WHEN WE DECIDED TO BORROW. AND HERE IS A SHORTISH TERM PICTURE OF OUR ANNUAL DEBT SERVICE AS WE EMPHASIZED IN PAST TO GET PAST FISCAL YEAR 2029. YOU TO THE A VERY NICE LEVEL AND RELATIVELY LOW DEBT SERVICE. AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF THESE -- AS YOU SEE HERE, THE EXPIRATION OF LONG-TERM DEBT FROM THE CITY. AND OFF OF THE THREE, FOUR YEARS, THE CITY SHOULD BE IN A GOOD DECISION IF THE CITY DECIDES TO FINANCE. A QUICK REFRESH OF THE ANTICIPATED ISSUANCES FORTHCOMING. NO PARTICULAR TIME FRAME FOR THESE SLIDES. AGAIN, THEY WILL DEPEND ON WHEN WE ARE ABLE TO SPENDS THE MONEY. AND HERE WE HAVE A -- WELL, KIND OF A 50,000-FOOT VIEW FROM FIRE DEPARTMENT AND PUBLIC SAFETY PROJECTS, ETC. NEXT THREE ISSUANCES UP TO BAT. FOR A TOTAL AGAIN ON THE LOWER RIGHT, YOU SEE $255ISH MILLION. >>> WE SEE A DEEPER DIVE INTO THE PARTICULAR PROJECTS. IN FACT I THINK THE NEXT PRESENTATION WE WILL ORGANIZE THESE BY DEPARTMENTS BUT LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM, YOU SEE THESE PARTICULAR PROJECTS AND THE ANTICIPATED PLACE IN THE QUEUE WE HAVE THEM FOR DEBT FINANCING. FOR INSTANCE, FIRE STATION NUMBER 24. NEXT ON BAT. FOLLOWED BY A COUPLE OF OTHER FIRE STATION PROJECTS IN THE SECOND AND THIRD ISSUANCE. AGAIN, DEPENDING UPON WHEN THE FUNDING IS NEEDED. AND CONTINUING THROUGH THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. K-BAR RANCH. GUIDA HOUSE. MULTIMODAL NETWORK FUNDED PARTIALLY FROM A BUILD GRANT. AND THEN YOU HAVE ISSUANCE ONE, TWO AND THREE. THESE ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE AND LIKELY THEY WILL CHANGE TO SOME DEGREE DEPEND ON PRIORITIZATION AND THE READINESS FOR THE FUNDING. NEXT WORKSHOP NEXT WEEK AS WE HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED, I ANTICIPATE WE ARE GOING TO CONCENTRATE ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. ANOTHER REASON WE WANTED TO REFRESH ON THE DEBT ISSUANCE. THE SPECIAL CALL WILL BE THE STORMWATER WORKSHOP COUNCIL HAS SCHEDULED AND THE TWO PUBLIC HEAR HEARINGS. THE BUDGET, OF COURSE, IS ONLINE. AND THANK YOU, AS ALWAYS. I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE IN LISTENING TO ME JUST KIND OF TEE IT UP AND REFRESH FROM OUR DISCUSSION A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. AND WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. AGAIN, WE DON'T -- WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER, WE WILL GET IT TO YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: FOR COUNCIL BEFORE WE START, I NEED TO REMIND A COUPLE -- SOME THINGS. BECAUSE IT IS A WORKSHOP, WE CAN'T TAKE OFFICIAL ACTION. WHAT WE WILL DO IS TRY TO REACH -- IF THERE IS A PARTICULAR ISSUE TO MAKE A MODIFICATION TRY TO REACH A CONSENSUS. THAT WILL BE DOCUMENTED BY OUR BUDGET ANALYST MISS COPESKY TO BE CARRIED FOR TO A PUBLIC HEARING FOR OFFICIAL ACTION FROM COUNCIL. AGAIN ARE, WE CAN'T TAKE ANY VOTES TONIGHT -- OR THIS AFTERNOON. IT WILL BE AN AGREEMENT TO MOVE TOO FORWARD TO THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING. WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE? I GUESS GUESS -- COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THE BUDGET PRESENTATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN I MAKE GENERAL COMMENTS OR WAIT UNTIL AFTER WE SPEAK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ARE GOING TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. WHAT IS COUNCIL'S DESIRE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN I WILL -- >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, COUNCIL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S IT FOR THIS PORTION OF THE CONVERSATION. IF YOU HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT, WE ARE IN THAT PORTION. GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE -- OH, HERE WE GO. YOU GOT TO MOVE QUICKER THAN THAT. I AM GOING TO PUT A TIMER. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, STEPHANIE POYNOR. SORRY, I WAS TRYING TO FIND A PASSWORD TO GET ON MY COMPUTER. I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE THAT REALLY, REALLY RUBS ME RAW IN THIS C.I.P. PLAN IS GANDY PARK AND A.J. PALONAS PARK. ONLY GAVE US $2 MILLION TO PAY FOR THIS PARK TO IT BE RENOVATED BACK IN 2021. APRIL OR MAY OF 2021. THEY GAVE THE CITY OF TAMPA $2 MILLION. YET THEY ONLY SPENT $200 ON IT. CAN YOU SEE IT? I AM SORRY. WELL, WAIT. WE ONLY SPENT $200,000. WE GOT $2 MILLION. SOMEBODY WROTE A CHECK FOR THIS. HERE WE ARE 2025, AND WE HAVE FIVE YEARS PROJECTED ON HERE WHERE WE ARE STILL GOING TO SPEND THE $2 MILLION ON SOMETHING SOUTH OF GANDY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN YOU MOVE IN FRONT OF THE MICROPHONE AND THE PODIUM. >> I AM SORRY. I AM KIND OF MIFFED ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THE MONEY WAS AGAIN AND THE WORK HAS NOT BEEN DONE. I HAD -- I AM TOTALLY UNPREPARED BECAUSE I DIDN'T GET MY STUFF TOGETHER. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE WAS THE -- THE BUCKET OF MONEY THAT WE ALWAYS KEEP, THE 23%, THE SAVINGS ACCOUNT. I SEE THAT IS IN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. LIKE $5.7 MILLION IN THE HR DEPARTMENT. IS THAT -- DOES THAT GET MOVED BACK? I MEAN WE ARE ALMOST TO THE END OF THE CURRENT YEAR. WHERE DOES THAT MONEY COME FROM AND GO TO? I -- YOU I JUST GOT THE -- THE PEACHING STUFF. GLAD TO SEE IT IS CLOSER TO WHAT HAD YOU GUYS HAVE MADE IT FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. I THINK IT SHOULD BE MORE. AND WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO DO MORE. I KNOW THIS. ON -- ON ONE OF THE FACEBOOK GROUPS FOR SOUTH TAMPA, THERE ARE A LOT OF WOMEN WHO ARE UPSET THAT THERE IS VERY LITTLE MONEY TO BE SPENT FOR PARKS AND REC IN SOUTH TAMPA. AND I AM ALSO GOING TO POINT OUT -- IT IS FUNNY BECAUSE THEY BUILT A $300,000 MEMORIAL -- ACTUALLY THAT IS ON THE LIST OF THE MILITARY -- THE VETERANS MEMORIAL IS $900,000 TO BE SPENT ON MEMORIALS TO BE PUT IN OUR PARKS. BUT YET, ONE LADY SAID YOU PUT IN A $ 00,000 MEMORIAL, AND YET YOU -- $ 300 MEMORIAL BUT YOU DON'T RELINE THE TENNIS COURTS. WHERE THE HOMELESS FIELDS LIVE BEHIND AND THROW THEIR NEEDLE INTO THE FIELD. THE WORST LOCATION AND I HAVE LOTS MO TO SAY -- EVERY TIME STAFF GETS UP HERE, THEY ARE HERE FOR TWO, THREE HOURS AND THEY WILL BE UP HERE FOR 30 MINUTES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY WILL BE BACK. THANK YOU, NEXT. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, ALISON HEWITT, EAST TAMPA RESIDENT AND BUSINESS OWNER. COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SO I SAW THERE IS A $5.8 MILLION FOR THE CRA GOING INTO THE CITY BUDGET AND THAT IS MOSTLY FOR STAFF. SO WILL THAT MEAN THAT OUR CRA PROJECTS WILL FINALLY BE PRIOR PRIORITIZED. TAKES AN AVERAGE OF TWO YEARS FOR PROGRAMS TO GET THROUGH AND MUCH LESS PROJECTS. IF WE ARE GOING TO INCREASE IT TO $5.8 MILLION AND SHOULD BE PAYING FOR SERVICES AND GET RESPONSES TO THE CRA FOR OUR PROJECTS. ALSO ON THE SAFF BUDGET. IS THE ABILITY TO MAKE THAT SO LOW BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO BE OFFSETTING THOSE PROJECTS FROM CRA DOLLARS. IF I CAN HAVE SOME CLARITY REGINA SIEWERT TALKING ABOUT THAT TO REMIND THAT THE CRA BUDGET -- MONEY WAS ONLY SUPPOSED TO START PROJECTS AND NOT MAINTAIN THEM. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE FOLLOWING FLORIDA STATUTES FOR THAT. THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, LOOKING THROUGH THE BUDGET, WE HAVE ABOUT 62.9 MILLION THAT IS SPECIFIC TO DISTRICT 5. AND SINCE WE DON'T HAVE SOMEONE IN THAT SEAT, IS THERE A WAY TO MAKE SURE -- DOING THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS THERE IS ABILITY TO SPECIFY SO THAT -- SO THAT THE PUBLIC WILL KNOW WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE IMPACTING DISTRICT FIVE. HAVE THAT POTENTIALLY PART OF CONVERSATION AND ASKING THE STAFF PERSON WHO IS STILL THERE TO A ELECT THE MAJOR STAKEHOLDERS ON THE DISTRICT FIVE AND WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THIS BUDGET INSTEAD OF JUST PUTTING IT ON ONE PERSON. I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE CONVENTION CENTER IS UPGRADES ABOUT $5.5 MILLION. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS GOING TO BE BE A COMBINATION OF CRA OR CITY DOLLARS. I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, AND MOSTLY, CAN WE MAKE SURE WE ARE VERY INTENTIONAL AND THE CITIZENS OF DISTRICT FIVE AS YOU ARE HAVING THESE CONVERSATIONS UNDERSTAND WHICH PORTION OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS IMPACT THEM SINCE WE DON'T HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE YET. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, MISS HEWITT. NEXT? >> GOOD AFTERNOON MY NAME IS CHARLIE ADAMS, PRESIDENT OF NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION AND DIRECTOR OF KIDS ON THE RIVER. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION -- OR DISCUSS OUR BOARDWALK. WE HAVE A BOARDWALK IN THE SULPHUR SPRINGS COMMUNITY THAT HAS BEEN DEEMED A -- UNUSEABLE BY THE CITY OF TAMPA FOR MAYBE LIKE THE LAST SEVEN YEARS. AREA NEAR AND TEAR NOT ONLY TO MYSELF BUT OTHER SULPHUR SPRINGS MEMBERS AS WE GREW UP. THIS IS AN AREA THAT WAS ONCE KIND OF LIKE A CULTURAL HUB FOR MANY AND WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY FOR CHILDREN AND FAMILY TO GET CONNECTED TO NATURE ALONG THE HILLSBOROUGH RIVER. AND JUST WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS SOME ATTE ATTENTION SHED ON THIS PROJECT AND HOPEFULLY GET IT RESOLVED AND GO THE NEXT BUDGET TO HAVE REPAIRS DONE TO IT. TO NOT, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN GET DONE THROUGH THE COMMUNITY, PERSONALLY FUND RAISING TO HAVE IT REPAIRED OURSELVES. AGAIN, THIS HAS BEEN A WHILE SINCE IT HAS BEEN DOWN. AND WE WANT TO HAVE SOME SUPPORT IN THE ESUF COMMUNITY. ALSO IN REGARDS TO DIRECTOR OF KIDS ON THE RIVA WONDERFUL -- SPRING MARKET, I AM SORRY, A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A CULTURAL HUB AS OUR OFFICIAL'S IN FARMER'S MARKET AND WAITING WE CAN ALLOCATE FUNDS TO CREATE JOBS, A CULT AND OPPORTUNITY FOR RESIDENTS IN THE AREA. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, AND SUBJECT COMMENT. TALKING OBJECT EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEMS. KEEP YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM AS WE WORK THROUGH THE WORKSHOP HEARINGS. YOU WILL HAVE AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK OF WHATEVER IS NEAR OR DEAR TO YOUR HEART. TO REFOCUS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT -- OR THIS AFTERNOON, POLICE, FIRE, PARKS AND REC AND TRANSPORTATION. AND EVERY TIME THAT CITY STAFF CAMS UP, FOCUS ON THE INDIVIDUALS TOPIC. COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO, YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: EACH DEPARTMENT WILL COME UP? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THEY WILL DO A PRESENTATION? >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T THINK SO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU WILL BE HERE TO BE DRILLED? OKAY. THAT WAS IT? ALL RIGHT, WOW. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I TOLD MY WIFE -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: REMINDER THAT WE HAVE TO BE OUT OF THE TROOP FROM 5:00. BECAUSE ANOTHER HEARING FROM A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION IS IN THIS ROOM AT 5:30. TO FYI. ANYTHING ELSE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: CAN I GO? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. MR. ROGERO, YOU SAID YOU CAME BACK FROM VACATION BUT YOU HAVE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY AND WORKING WITH THE CITIZENS BUDGET BOARD. ALBERT COOK, STEPHANIE POYNOR. QUITE A FEW PEOPLE HERE. WANT TO THANK THE BOARD MEMBERS TO FOR TIME. THE ONES THAT ARE HERE. YOU DO IT FOR FREE. MISS POYNOR IS ON TOP OF IT. MR. COOK. THANK YOU FOR THAT. YOU ARE THE VOICE OF THE COMMUNITY AND YOU SEE A LOT OF HOW THINGS WORK. SO, A COUPLE OF THINGS. GOOD PRESENTATION. I AM LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL DEBT ISSUANCES, PROJECTS WE WANT TO TAKE ON. CANDACE ANDERSEN -- AND THERE ARE QUITE A FEW. MR. ADAMS FROM SULPHUR SPRINGS. I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING HIM ON SOCIAL MEDIA. HE HAS BEEN GOOD AND ACTIVE. I SENT AN E-MAIL TO CHIEF OF STAFF BENNETT REGARDING THAT BOARDWALK AND WALKWAY, BECAUSE THE PUBLIC A SOUTH CAROLINA SING IT. I HAVE SEEN A VIDEO OF PEOPLE NEAR THERE. MIGHT ADDRESS THAT. THERE WAS A PARKS AND REC ISSUE. WOOD PANELS MISSING. SOMEONE WILL GET HURT AND I DON'T WANT THE LIABILITY, NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, SULPHUR SPRINGS IS A VERY IMPORTANT AND HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD. IT HAS BEEN FORGOTTEN. THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY IS GROWING, CHANGING. I WAS IN WEST COMPANY AND THE GREAT THINGS HAPPENING IN THE WEST CRA WE NEED TO SPREAD THE LOVE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND SULPHUR SPRINGS IS ONE. I THINK WE NEED TO DO A BETTER JOB -- AND I AM TALKING ABOUT EVEN AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, TO TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROACH. WE HAVE THE CITY BUDGET. WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL CAN APPROVE AND WHAT WE CAN TO DO INVEST IN THESE COMMUNITIES. WE NEED TO SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT THE POTENTIAL THAT TAMPA HAS. PEOPLE SAY, WELL, SO MANY PEOPLE ARE MOVING HERE. WHAT PARTS OF THE CITY ARE FLOURISHING AND GROWING? YOU GO OUT TO EAST TAMPA SULPHUR SPRINGS, IT IS LIKE A -- LIKE A BLANK PALETTE. WHEN I SAY THAT, I SAY A LAND OF OPPORTUNITY WE TALK OF GETTING GROCERY STORES. BASIC SERVICES IN THAT AREA. WE HAVE SEEN HOW DEVELOPERS HAVE COME HERE, INVESTORS COULD AM HERE -- LIKE THE AMATEUR WORKS BUILDING. WENT BY THERE FOREVER AND A CLOSED-OFF BUILDING AND NOW LOOK AT IT AS THE CATALYST ON TAMPA HEIGHTS. THE WEST TAMPA. WATER STREET. FROM WAREHOUSES TO UPSCALE TO PEOPLE COME. BUT, YOU KNOW, I -- I LOOK AT, LIKE, MAYOR GRECO -- I WENT TO SEE HIM THE OTHER DAY AND HE HAD AN APPROACH. HE TELLS THE STORY OF A HOTEL. THE MARRIOTT. WE HAVE A BUILDING BUT NEEDED A BRAND. HE PICKED UP THE PHONE WITH HIS CONNECTIONS AND HE NEGOTIATED IT AND THE BRAND IS THERE. AND THE HOTEL IS THERE. WHATEVER. I'M GOING ON A TANGENT. WE CAN BETTER MARKET THE STATE OF FLORIDA TO SHOW IT IS JUST MORE THAN THE HOT SPOTS. GLAD TO SEE THE GUIDA HOUSE IN THE BUDGET. SOMETHING NEAR AND DEAR TO WEST TAMPA AND THE GUIDA FAMILY. I AM GLAD TO SEE THEY HAVE RESURFACING CHART HERE AND ON THE OTHER SIDE SADLY AND GLADLY OFFER TRANSPORTATION. WE GET SOME MONEY FOR SOME PROJECTS, BUT THE NUMBER ONE COMPLAINT THAT I GET, THAT MANY OF US GET IS THE QUALITY OF OUR ROADS. I KNOW WE HAVE OUR IN-HOUSE PAVING. THROUGH WEST TAMPA AND MacDILL. I SEE A LOT OF STUFF GETTING DONE. I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH ONE RESIDENT IN BEACH PARK ABOUT SWAN SWANN. I MENTION TO THE MAYOR TO GET SWANN PAVED WEST OF LOIS. WEST TO DALE MABRY. I DRIVE TO THE COMMUNITY WITH MY WIFE AND I SPECIFICALLY GO DO YOU KNOW THE WORST STREETS. GOMEZ SOUTH OF COLUMBUS. TURN OFF GO NOSE CUT THROUGH ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION WORK FOR THE REPAVING, THE ROAD IS SO BAD. IT LOOKS LIKE -- IT LOOKS LIKE AGREE MADE IT OR MAYBE SOMETHING WORSE. IT IS REALLY BAD. PEOPLE WHO COME TO TAMPA, THEY DRIVE ON OUR ROADS AND THEY SEE THE QUALITY OF IT. I KNOW THAT WE DEAL WITH A LOT OF RAIN. IT IS A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, DEFERRED MAINTENANCE, WHATEVER. ROADS ARE OUR BIGGEST PRIORITY. ROADS SHOULD BE ONE OF THE BIGGEST PRIORITIES ON TOP OF HOUSING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE. I AM GLAD TO SEE MUCH OF THAT NUMBER WAS RESTORED. COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN HAS BEEN LEADING THE CHARGE ON THAT. SOCIAL ACTION WE WILL TALK ABOUT NEXT WEEK. TALK OF STORMWATER NEXT WEEK. I HAVE A LOT TO SAY ABOUT THAT. I AM GLAD TO SEE CERTAIN THINGS IN THIS BUDGET, BUT, AGAIN, I WILL CLOSE IT OUT BY SAYING THAT SULPHUR SPRINGS POOL IMPROVEMENT, THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT. BUT SULPHUR SPRINGS IN GENERAL, EAST TAMPA IN GENERAL, WE JUST NEED TO -- THERE IS SO MUCH OPPORTUNITY THERE. WE NEED TO FOCUS ON CONTINUE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. DO WE LET STAFF RESPOND AND THEN GO TO YOU. >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T KNOW IF ESPECIALLY HAD ANY QUESTIONS. BUT I LITERALLY HAVE ACTUAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THESE THINGS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TAKE NOTES. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANTED TO ASK MISS COPESKY TO COME UP AND EXPLAIN THIS CHART. BECAUSE IT IS HER CHART. THE RESURFACING. AND THAT WAY IF HE WANTS TO SAY AFTER. BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RESURFACING. >>HAGAR KOPESKY: ACTUALLY I AM GOING TO ASK IF IT IS OKAY FOR HIM TO HAVE BRANDON UP HERE BECAUSE ONCE WE GO THROUGH IT, WE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT EXECUTION WHICH WILL NOT BE SOMETHING THAT I WILL -- SORRY, HAGAR KOPESKY, CITY COUNCIL BUDGET ANALYST. ASK FOR BRANDON AND DENNIS AS WELL BECAUSE AFTER THE FORMAT OF SLIDE THERE WILL BE DIALOGUE AROUND EXECUTION. HE WILL BE THERE FOR THAT. THIS WAS INTENDED TO SHOW THREE GENERALLY USED PROJECTS FOR WHAT WE WOULD CALL RECURRING PAVING. PAVING OCCURS IN SPECIFICS PROJECTS. THE PURPOSE OF TODAY AND THIS DISCUSSION, WE FELT IT WAS NECESSARY TO SHOW YOU WHAT DO WE HAVE AVAILABLE FOR FISCAL 26 FOR RESUR RESURFACING. SO THE THREE IDs LISTED ARE PRESENT IN CASE YOU WANT TO REFERENCE THEM IN THE MATERIALS. YOU WILL SEE THE SAME NUMBERS. AGAIN, BUDGETS FROM THE PAST WHICH HAS ACOUNCIL SLATED. WE HAVE SPENDING TO DATE THAT THEN LEAVES A REMAINING BALANCE OF TODAY ROUGHLY 4.5 MILLION. IN TERMS OF FISCAL 2026, A PORTION OF FIVE-YEAR THAT YOU WILL BE APPROVING THIS YEAR ANOTHER 10 MUCH 5 THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE CAP EX BUDGET. >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN YOU.TO IT SO PEOPLE KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT? >> Y-- >>HAGAR KOPESKY: YES, BUDGET TO DATE, REMAINING BALANCE AFTER -- I NEED TO REMEMBER TO DO MY NAILS NEXT TIME. FISCAL YEAR '26. IN YOUR MATERIALS IN THE BIND AIR $10.5 MILLION OF NEW BUDGET DOLLARS FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR AND I REFLECTED WHAT IS CURRENTLY POSITIONED IN THE OUTER YEARS FOR ADDITIONAL PAVING GOING FORWARD. AGAIN, YOU ARE NOT APPROVING THAT NOW. AND JUST TO GIVE SOME INSIGHT IN WHAT WAS PLANNED. I THINK THE QUESTION I KEEP HEARING IS, BREAK IT DOWN AND TELL ME WHAT DO WE HAVE AVAILABLE FOR US FOR FISCAL '26. AGAIN THE FINAL MONTHS OF 25 WILL SHAKE OUT, BUT FOR ALL MATERIAL PURPOSES, END WITH 4.5 OF HISTORICAL BALANCE. THE 10.4 THAT I REFERRED TO UP HERE OF NEW FISCAL 26 MONEY. WE -- YOU RECENTLY, AS A COUNCIL, REALLOCATED FROM THE FISCAL 24 SURPLUS FUNDS $5 MILLION FOR PAVING AND THAT IS REFLECTED HERE. JUST TO BE COMPLETE IN TERMS OF WHAT OTHER DOLLARS ARE AVAILABLE TO BE UTILIZED IMMEDIATELY FOR THE TRANSPORTATION MONEY OF 21.2, WHICH IN SUM, IS $41 MILLION. SO THAT IS WHAT WOULD -- WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO SPEND IN FISCAL '26. >>LYNN HURTAK: HE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. MR. ROGERO, BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER. I WANT TO DOUBLE CHECK THAT THE 9.94 MILLION FOR FY '26 DOES NOT INCLUDE THE $5 MILLION WE JUST REALLOCATED FROM '24. >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT DOES NOT. >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU ALREADY ADDED THE NINE -- >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, MA'AM. >>LYNN HURTAK: BECAUSE BRANDON'S PERSPECTIVE AND MISS KOPESKY TOLD ME WHAT I REALLY WANT TO KNOW. PEOPLE SEE PAVING AND THE FACT WE HAVE MONEY LEFT OVER -- TAKING AWAY THE $ 21 MILLION FOR TRANSPORTATION, ALL ABOUT $30 MILLION. WHAT CAN WE TO DO MAKE SURE 20 MILLION IS SPENT THIS YEAR SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY OVERAGE. WHAT DOES THAT TAKE FROM YOUR DEPARTMENT TO DO THAT. MY GUESS WOULD BE CONTRACTORS. BUT IF YOU JUST EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT WHAT CONTRACTOR IS CURRENTLY FOR IN HOUSE. AND HOW WE COREALLY JUMP START THAT TO GET MORE DONE THIS FISCAL YEAR. >> BRANDON CAMPBELL: GOOD QUESTION. INTERIM DIRECTOR OF THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT. SO YOU ARE ASKING HOW WE CAN ENSURE THE $20 MILLIONS EXCLUSIVE THE TRANSPORTATION MONEY CAN BE SPENT WITHIN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. IT IS A MADDER OF -- MATTER OF EXPEDITING WHAT WE HAVE IN HOUSE AND ENSURING THAT WE HAVE CONTRACT COMBAT TEE EARLY ON. WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF CONTRACT THAT WILL INCLUDE TRANSPORTATION MONEY AS WELL AS THE -- THE PROJECTS FOR WHICH WE WERE PLANNING TO USE THE -- THE $5 MILLION REALLOCATION THAT WAS DISCUSSED LAST WEEK. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN GUARANTEE THAT EVERY BIT OF THAT WILL BE SPENT BY THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, BUT WE ARE WELL ON OUR WAY OF GETTING THAT UNDER WAY AND PAID OUT AND COMPLETED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. >>LYNN HURTAK: ONE OTHER QUICK QUESTION. WE DID TALK BRIEFLY LAST WEEK OF ADDING THE MAPPING FOR WHAT HAS BEEN PAID, WHAT WILL BE PAVED. AGAIN, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THE OFFER OF TRANSPORTATION IS GOING FOR SPECIFIC ROADS. IS THAT CORRECT? >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: THAT'S CORRECT. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WILL BE FOR THE 21 MILLION FOR TRANSPORTATION? >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: CORRECT. >>LYNN HURTAK: TATE CITY CONTROLLING THAT MONEY OR CITY DOING THE WORK OR CONTRACTORS PROVIDING THAT OR THE COUNTY OR STATE PROVIDING THAT. WHO IS THE DOING ITS WORK? >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: MAY BE A COMBINATION. WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF PLANNING FOR THOSE PROJECTS IN TERMS OF IN-HOUSE VERSES CONSULTANT DESIGN AND IN-HOUSE VERSUS CONTRACTOR EXECUTION. I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW YUKON STREET IS ONE WE ARE DESIGNING IN HOUSE. SOME OF THE OTHER SEGMENTS CYPRESS AND MacDILL, WE HAVE TO HAVE DESIGNED WCONSULTANTS WITH CONTRACTS THAT ARE IN PLACE, WORK ORDER, SCOPE, FEE NETWORKS AS SUCH. BUT THOSE ARE PROJECTS THAT YOU EXECUTED AND THAT WE HAVE ONGOING CONSULTANT SUPPORT. RIGHT NOW OUR TEAMS -- OUR PAVING TEAMS ARE LOOKING AT THESE SEGMENTS TO SEE ARE THESE WITHIN OUR CAPABILITIES TO DO THE EXECUTION ON. AND SO I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU RIGHT NOW ON WHICH OF THESE SEGMENTS COULD BE PERFORMED IN HOUSE. I DO ANTICIPATE THAT MOST OF THEM WILL BE CONTRACTOR BUILT IF NOT ALL OF THEM. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. IF IT IS OKAY WITH YOU, CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO BECAUSE AND LET OTHER QUESTIONS ASK QUESTIONS OF PAVING SINCE THIS IS A REALLY BIG TOPIC AND RESERVE THE REST OF MY TIME AFTER THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT IS A WORKSHOP. WE CAN BE FLEXIBLE. COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. JUST ABOUT PAVING FOR NOW? >>LYNN HURTAK: IF THAT IS OKAY. >>LUIS VIERA: YES, MA'AM, THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION ON PAVING, BECAUSE IT IS NOT THERE. AND I HAVE -- I HAVE QUESTIONS AND IN A BUNCH OF OTHER AREAS. WITH REGARD TO NEW TAMPA BOULEVARD, THAT AREA, ALL OF NEW TAMPA, ALL OF 33647 WAS LEFT OUT OF THE AFT MONEY AND I WAS NOT HAPPY AND I WENT TO YOU ALL. AND YOU GUYS WERE WONDERFUL. AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT. WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IS GOING FORWARD. Q 2 AND 2006, IS THAT STILL? >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: IT IS MOVING FORWARD. WE IDENTIFIED THAT AS ONE OF THE PROJECTS FUNDED WITH THE $5 MILLION REASSIGNMENT.UNSPENT FISCAL '24 FUNDS THAT YOU ALL HAD BEFORE YOU LAST WEEK. >>LUIS VIERA: WHEN SHOULD WE START SEEING THAT GET START? >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: IT IS UNDER DESIGN RIGHT NOW. I THINK SPRING OF '26 A LIKELY TIME FRAME TO SEE THAT STARTED. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU. THAT IS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD PAVING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU MENTIONED TWO -- IN-HOUSE PAVING AND PAVING BY CONTRACTORS. ARE YOU DOING THIS IN A MANNERISM WHERE SOMEONE INDIVIDUAL SCRAPES WITH A CONTRACT WITH THE CITY. OR THE OTHER ONE -- I BELIEVE YOU CAN DO IT FASTER OR CHEAPER IF ONE SCRAPES THE ROAD AND ONE PUTS THE PAVING OR DOING IT ONE SCRAPES AND PAVES AND THE OTHER SCRAPES AND PAVES. >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: BRAND AGENTS FOR OUR IN-HOUSE PROJECT AND IN-HOUSE FORCES, WE HAVE CONTRACT FOR THE MILLING ITSELF. COMPANY ALL TURTLE THAT WILL SCRAPE OFF THE TOP LEVEL AND THEN WE COME IN BEHIND THEM AND DO THE RESURFACING AND RESTRIPING. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE REASON I ASK THAT. SOME ROADS THAT HAVE BEEN SCRAPED AND IT TAKES A WEEK OR TWO BEFORE THE PAVING COMES IN. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS BECAUSE OF THE QUALITY OF THE ROAD OR WHAT IT IS. I IMAGINE IF YOU HAVE A CONTRACTING AGREEMENT WITH CERTAIN CONTRACTORS, YOUR FAULT OF THESE PAVED -- SCAPE OR WE ARE GOING TO PAVE OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND, YOU CAN DO TWICE AS MUCH TWICE AS FAST. BRA BRAND AGENTS THERE ARE OCCASION WHERE IS THE CONTRACT WILL DO THE MILLING. AND CONTINUE BELOW IN CERTAIN AREAS WORSE SHAPE THAN WE THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE. SOMETIMES IF THERE IS A DELAY BETWEEN THE MILLING AND THE REPAVING, IT COULD BE THAT. IT COULD BE THAT THEY HAVE A LARGER AREA THEY ARE GOING TO MILL BEFORE WE COME IN AND JUST SORT OF TRY TO GET ALL OF THAT RESURFACING DONE WITHOUT HAVING TO MOBILIZE MULTIPLE TIMES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHOEVER SCRAPES DOES THE PAVING ALSO. >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: THE IN-HOUSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT TEAMS AND THE CONTRACTOR -- IF IT IS 100% CONTRACT-LED, THEY MAY HAVE A SUBCONTRACTOR THAT DOES THE MILLING OR ME MAY DO IT THEMSELVES, DEPENDS ON WHICH COMPANY. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE REASON I ASK THAT, BECAUSE WHEN THAT HAPPENS THE SCRAPERS COME THROUGH AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO DO THE PAVING, THEY HAVE THE EQUIPMENT THERE A WEEK WITHOUT BEING TOUCHED. THAT IS THE ONLY REASON I AM ASKING BECAUSE I NOTICED THAT ALSO. >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: UNDERSTOOD, IF THERE ARE ANY -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOT PUTTING NEW A BOX TO HAVE IT DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND EXPONENTIALLY AS POSSIBLE WITHOUT SPENDING ALL THE MONEY IF POSSIBLE. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: BRANDON, THIS SEGMENT FROM MacDILL TO BAY TO BAY, CONTROLLED BY THE COUNTY OR THE CITY? >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: CONTROLLED BY THE CITY. >>BILL CARLSON: WE ARE RESPONSIBLE TO MAINTAIN? >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: PREVIOUSLY TAKEN VIK ON A DRIVING TOUR IN THAT AREA. A LOT OF ACCESS TO THE SIDE STREETS AND REPAINTING OF LINES THAT NEED TO BE DONE. WHOEVER THE CONSULTANT IS, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE TALK TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THAT. I KNOW A LOT OF COMMUNITY INPUT TO IT THE NORTH OF BAY TO BAY AND A LOT HAPPENS THERE. NEXT IS THE -- YOU -- YOU ALSO PROBABLY KNOW THAT THERE IS STORMWATER CONCERNS ALONG THAT AREA ESPECIALLY AT THE LOWER ELEVATIONS. CAN YOU JUST PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT THE -- THAT THE CONTRACTORS UNDERSTAND THE CONNECTIVITY TO FLOODING IN THAT AREA? >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: CERTAINLY. OUR AGREEMENT FOR THOSE FUNDS, WE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY. NOT ONLY PAVEMENT ITSELF, BUT PAVEMENT PLUS THOSE ITEMS THAT WILL BE ANCILLARY TO IT. SO IF THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ADJUSTMENT TO A STORM GRATE. NEEDS TO BE AN UPDATE TO AN A.D.A. RAMP. RECONFIGURATION. BUT THE PRIMARY WORK THAT IS RESURFACING UNDER EXISTING STATE AGLEAM. >>BILL CARLSON: WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO A DEBATE ABOUT THIS, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO GOT FLOODED IN THE PARKLAND ESTATES AND PALMA CEIA PINES AREA WAS BECAUSE OF THE REGRADING THAT THE STATE DID WITH ARMENIA NORTH OF THERE. AND I KNOW SOME PEOPLE IN STORMWATER DISAGREE WITH IT. WHETHER THAT IS TRUE OR NOT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PHOENIX IN THE LOWER ELEVATION WHERE IT DIPS. THIS WAS FLOODED. AND IF THERE IS ANY WAY TO UPGRADE THE DITCHES TO PREVENT THAT, THAT WILL BE GREAT. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY -- AND I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO FIX THESE NUMBERS IF I DON'T REMEMBER CORRECTLY. I SEEM TO REMEMBER THAT VIK PREVIOUSLY MAYBE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO SAID THAT OUR ROAD REPAIR BUDGET SHOULD BE AROUND $50 MILLION -- $40 MILLION TO $50 MILLION. BECAUSE OF THE GREAT RECESSION WE DIDN'T SPEND VERY MUCH AND THEN PEOPLE THOUGHT ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION WOULD COME. THE NUMBER WAS ARTIFICIALLY LOW. $2 MILLION IN BACKLOG? I DO REMEMBER THE NUMBERS CORRECTLY. >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN PINPOINT A BACKLOLLING? >>BILL CARLSON: TAMPA MOVES HAS A NUMBER -- >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: IT MAY, I WILL HAVE TO LOOK. I REMEMBER A NUMBER BEING DISCUSSED, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS STILL VALID. WE MAY HAVE REFRESH -- >>BILL CARLSON: DENNIS TALKING ABOUT -- I DON'T REMEMBER THE PERCENTAGE, BUT TOTAL PROPERTY TAX PAYS 80% OF MISS AND FEAR AND DOESN'T PAY ANYTHING ELSE. SO WE NEED TO PUT IT IN CONTEXT HOW TO HELP THE PEOPLE. BECAUSE IF WE HAVE A RECORD AMOUNT -- THE TOTAL IS NOT UP THERE, $23 MILLION. AND IF WE HAVE A RECORD AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND AN PAVING -- 41. RECORD AMOUNT WE SPEND ON PAVING AND $50 MILLION AND $2 BILLION BEHIND, THIS IS NOT EVEN CATCHING UP. NOT TO BLAME ANYBODY, BUT WE ARE WHERE WE ARE AND HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PROBLEM. AFFORDABLE HOUSING IF WE SPEND $100,000 TO EACH OF THE 50 PEOPLE, $4 BILLION, TWO AND A HALF TIMES THE TOTAL BUDGET OF THE CITY. BUT JUST TO SET EXPECTATIONS, WE HAVE $41 MILLION IN A GIVEN YEAR AN EXTRA SEVERAL -- GOING TO PUT A SMALL DENT IN IT AND SOMEHOW WE NEED TO EXPLAIN TO THE LARGER PUBLIC WHAT THE PROBLEM SO PEOPLE DON'T THINK WITH $40 MILLION WE WILL DO ALL THE ROADS IN THE CITY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. JUST REAL QUICK, AND THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. IF YOU PAVE THE ROADS, A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE HAPPY. SO NO MISTAKE FROM THE PUBLIC, ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION, DEDICATED FOR THE $20 MILLION. NOT ON TOP OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO. PEOPLE WANT TO SEE SOMETHING TANGIBLE WITH THEIR TAX DOLLARS. AT THE VERY LEAST, PAVE THE ROADS. THE ROADS ARE TERRIBLE. THEY HAVE BEEN NEGLECTED. WE DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY. BUT WE ALSO DID NOT PRIORITIZE. MY COMPLIMENTS TO THE SOCIAL MEDIA. IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, THEY ARE SHOWING WE ARE OUT THERE WORKING. BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY, A LOT OF ROADS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN TOUCHED IN DECADES THAT I REMEMBER WHEN THEY WERE PAVED 30 YEARS AGO AS A KID ARE FINALLY GETTING TOUCHED AGAIN. THEY ARE ON THAT SCHEDULE. AT THE VERY LEAST, IT IS SO SIMPLE BUT WHAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING. RESURFACING -- WHAT IS THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT? YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HIT A POTHOLE, AND THEY FILE A CREAM. IT CAN CAUSE AN ACCIDENT. BAD FOR PEDESTRIANS AND QUICK ON AND ON. THE MOST WE CAN WITH THE AVAILABLE FUND AND GLAD TO HAVE $2 .1 MILLION PUSH. IT HELPS. NOT EVERYTHING, AND I WISH IT WAS MORE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME THAT IS WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL ASK FOR. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: ONE MORE THING, BRANDON. ON MY STREET WHEN I MOVED IN THE WATER WAS CRACKED AND WATER SEEPED THROUGH AND NO FLOODING. WHEN I MOVE IN COMPLETELY RESURFACED AND SMOOTH -- BY THE WAY PEOPLE DROVE FASTER CONTINUE. SECOND THERE WAS PONDING THROUGHOUT. THE CITY WENT IN AND PUT IN PERVIOUS ASPHALT ALONG THE EDGES OF THE PLACE WHERE IS THERE WAS PONDING AND IT SOLVED THE PROBLEM. SO I KNOW IN THIS -- IN THAT ONE BUDGET, YOU ARE NOT LOOKING AT DOING INTERIOR ROADS, BUT TO THE EXTENT YOU ARE BECAUSE OF THE CONCERN OF FLOODING AND HOW JUST A LITTLE BIT OF WATER CAN MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE IF SOMEBODY'S HOUSE OR CAR FLOODS. IF THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF MONITORING WHERE IT PONDS AND FLOODS AND PUTTING PERVIOUS ASPHALT UNDER THE DIFFERENT FOR CERTAIN HOMEOWNERS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. ALONG THE SAME LINE THAT MY COLLEAGUE JUST SPOKE. DO WE STILL BUILD IN THE ROAD -- THE LITTLE BUMP OVER -- SPEED BUMPS. I I HAVE SEEN SOME THAT ARE BEING BUILT AND MUCH SAFER AND INSTEAD OF SO HIGH, THEY ARE WIDER. GIVES YOU THE IDEA HEY, IF I HIT ONE, I NEED TO SLOW DOWN. THE REASON I AM ASKING THAT -- PEOPLE ASKING ME -- CALLING UP AND ASKING FOR THE ROADS OF GREEN. THE REASON GREEN I MENTIONED BECAUSE IN BETWEEN ARMENIA AND HIMES. IF YOU COME OFF THE EXPRESSWAY, A LOT OF CARS AND YOU HAVE TO ZOOM BECAUSE IT IS ALWAYS THE RAMP DRIVING UP. THE PEOPLE DRIVING GO FAST SO I CAN GO FASTER. AND BETWEEN ARMENIA AND MacDILL MUCH DIFFERENT SPEED THAN THE 25 THAT IS POSTED. I AM ONLY THINKING TO MYSELF THE REASON SEASON THEY SEE THEM GOING FAST TO GO THROUGH THE EX-EXPRESSWAY AND CUT TRAFFIC. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING DONE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO MAKE THE ROAD SAFE ON GREEN. Y THEY HAVE A LOT OF 60s AND I APPRECIATE YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: WE WILL TAKE A LOOK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MY TURN. I WANT TO START WITH THE GOOD STUFF. THIRD BUDGET CYCLE AND THE FIRST TIME WE HAVEN'T HAD TO CLAW AND FIGHT FOR KIND OF AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF SPENDING FOR PAVING. JUST TO PUT IT IN FREQUENTTAKE IT ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION MONEY OUT. A SEPARATE DISCUSSION. BASIC FUNDING FROM FY '25-'26. TRIPLE -- WE ARE STARTING AT A BASELINE. APPRECIATE THE ADMINISTRATION WORKING WITH ME AND THE COUNCIL TO BRING FORWARD THAT PROPOSAL TO HAVE THAT REASONABLE REQUEST IN. THANKFUL THE COUNCIL SUPPORTED THAT $5 MILLIONAL CASE FROM UNSPENT 2024 MONEY. I THINK THIS GOES ALONG WAY TOWARD, YOU KNOW, DOING THE -- DOING THE GOOD WORK OF THE CITY AND IMPROVING THE STREETS. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. I DO WANT TO SEPARATE THE ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION, TAXPAYER MONEY THAT WAS PAID FOR -- THAT SET SALES TAX THAT WAS DECLARED UNCONSTITUTIONAL. UNFORTUNATELY, IT IS 40% LESS THAN IT SHOULD BE FOR LAWYER FEES AND BECAUSE OF DISPROPORTIONATE MONEY IN TAMPA AND NOT IN THE CITY WITH THE MONEY IS GENERATED. SALES TAX MONEY IS ESSENTIAL GRATED. SHORT END OF THE STICK AND COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IF YOU ARE INTERESTING, TAKE CARE OF THE ROADS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. WITH THAT BEING SAID, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE REALLY -- EVERY YEAR THAT I AM ON COUNCIL, IT FIGHT FOR THE STREETS TO BE PAVED. BASIC SURFACES. NOBODY WILL SAVE US, STATE OF FLORIDA WILL NOT SAVE US, THE GOVERNMENT WILL NOT SAVE US, NOBODY WILL PAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS. JUST THE CITY OF TAMPA. WE NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY AND WE ARE DOING AWFUL LOT OF FEEDER ROADS OR WHAT YOU CLAFR PHI FOR US. CITY STREET ROADS A LOT OF PROBLEMS IN SOUTH TAMPA AND WEST TAMPA AND A LOT OF FOR ROADS. UP APPRECIATE THAT. ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION. SUGAR ON TOP OF STUFF. QUESTION OF THE SPEED BUMP THING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA JUST DISCUSSED. I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION BECAUSE OF FIRE TRUCKS AND OTHER THINGS WE ARE NOT SUPPORTING THE INSTALLATION OF SPEED BUMPS. >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: WE DO ON A LIMITED BASIS SPEED CUSHIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SPEED CUSHIONS -- A NICE LITTLE NAME. LIKE PINK PONY. >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: SPEED BUMPS ARE THE LABEL ON THE THINGS YOU PUT IN PARKING LOT THAT ARE VERY ABRUPT AND KIND OF AGGRESSIVE. YOU LOOK WHAT WE DID ON THE GREEN ARTERY RECENTLY COMPLETED. A TRAFFIC COMING PROJECT. AND A PROJECT TO MAKE THE FACILITY BETTER FOR BICYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS. IT WAS DONE ON ROADS THAT WERE NOT FUNCTIONALLY CLASSIFIED. WE HAVE GOT TO BE A LITTLE BIT CAREFUL WHICH FACILITIES WE DO THAT SORT OF TREATMENT ON. JUST IN RECOGNITION OF SOME OF THOSE ISSUES THAT YOU MENTIONED LIKE EMERGENCY ACCESS. NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION AND THEY ARE NOT WITHOUT CONTROVERSY. HAPPY TO LOOK AT ANY SPECIFIC SPOTS WHERE THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE. BUT WE STILL DO THOSE ON A LIMITED BASIS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY, THANK YOU. I KNOW WE ARE NOT VOTING ON THIS -- NOT VOTING ON ANYTHING TODAY IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, BUT THE PROJECTIONS I LOOK AT FOR YOUR BUDGETING FOR 2028, '29 AND '30. EXTRAORDINARY MODEST. PAVING CONDITIONS. >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: A QUESTION THAT YOU CARE TO ADDRESS? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THOSE ARE LIKE SETTING US UP FOR FIGHTING. DEPUTY MENDENHALL I AM SORRY? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THOSE PROJECTED NUMBERS ARE SETTING US UP TO BATTLE. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I WOULDN'T PUT TOO MUCH TOING IN THOSE NUMBERS. S ARE IT THE MODEST, WE DON'T KNOW FURTHER TO THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION OF CAPACITY. WE COULD LOCK UP FUNDING EACH AND EVERY YEAR, BUT IF IT CAN'T BE SPENT, THEN THAT IS FUNDING THAT COUNCIL, THE MAYOR DON'T HAVE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND ELSEWHERE THAT CAN BE SPENT FASTER. I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE IN DARK CONTRAST TO THIS YEAR AND THE PREVIOUS YEARS, BUT THEY ARE SO TENTATIVE AT THIS TIME. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM NOT TOO RECEPTIVE OF THAT CAPACITY ARGUMENT. I GET IT -- I GET IT AND MAYBE DON'T GET IT OR ONE OR TWO FISCAL YEARS IN THE PAST. FOR THIS NEED, WE NEED TO SPEND WHERE WE SPEND MONEY AND BUILD CAPACITY. THE WHOLE CAPACITY ARGUMENT, I MEAN, I AM HAVING A TOUGH TIME DIGESTING IT. AT LEAST FOR MY TASTE, IT IS USED TOO FREQUENTLY AND TOO LONG BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE BUILT THAT, AND ANTICIPATE THAT CAPACITY AND BUILD IT IN EACH FISCAL YEAR TO ACCOMMODATE THE GROWTH AND LACK OF PAST SPENDING ON INFRASTRUCTURE. AGAIN I AM NOT SENSITIVE TO THAT CAPACITY ESTIMATE, BECAUSE I HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVING THAT WE CAN BUILD MASSIVE BUILDINGS AND HUGE PARKS AND INFRASTRUCTURE AND NOT HIRE A COMPANY TO PAVE A DAMN ROAD. >>DENNIS ROGERO: UNDERSTOOD. I THINK THE TRIBUTER HAS SPOKEN TO THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY -- CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, TO ACCELERATE THEIR PACE OF SENDING. THE OTHER TWO-PRONGED REASONS WHY YOU HAVE THE FIGURES, YOU HAVE THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX, VERSION TWO, SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY HAVEN'T BEEN PARSED OUT PARTICULARLY YET. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT I DON'T LIKE IS THE REPLACEMENT TYPE OF FUNDING. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK POINTED OUT THAT $5 MILLION WAS REPLACEMENT FUNDING ON TOP OF THE FUNDING WE WERE ANTICIPATING BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT THIS TO TURN THE FLORIDA LOTTERY OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY. YOU TAKE EDUCATION AND PRETEND IT IS NEW MONEY AND IT IS NOT. I AM GLAD IT IS NEW MONEY. ON THE ANTICIPATION OF THE CAPACITY. REALLY FROM THIS ONE COLONELPERSON'S PERSPECTIVE. FROM WHAT I HEAR YOU SAY, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR PERSON IS DILIGENTLY TO HAVE THIS. SO HOPEFULLY WE WILL END '26 WITH NO ROLLOVER MONEY AND WE WOULD HAVE PAVED A LOT OF MORE ROADS. THAT IS OUR EXPECTATION. >> IF THAT HAPPENS PULLING THAT STRING CAN ADJUST WHAT HAPPENS IN THE SUBSEQUENT YEARS BASED ON PERFORMANCE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST TO BRING IT TO A CLOSE, ONE OF THE REASONS WE DON'T PUT MONEY INTO IT. AND I HAVE BEEN OVER AND OFFER AGAIN FOR FINANCE. WE SHOULDN'T BE BONDING FOR ROADS. THE BIG BUILDINGS AND THE BIG PARKS. I AGREE WE NEED TO SPEND MORE MONEY AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN COMPARE THE THE TWO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WAS TALKING ABOUT CAPACITY PUMP AND YOU ARE ALSO ASKING FOR MORE THINGS FOR ROADS, BEINGS. I AM 100% WITH YOU ON THAT THAT PETITION SPEND ON STUFF INSTEAD OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO. I AM GOING TO PREVIEW WHAT WE ARE GOING TO BE -- I KNOW WE ALREADY HAVE A MOTION ABOUT MAPS AND THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT ARE PAVED QUARTERLY. I JUST WANT TO YOU KNOW AND UPDATE FOR THAT WHERE I AM ASKING TO ASK AND WORK WITH YOUR TEAM ON THIS SHOWING SECTIONS PAVED IN '24 AND '25. IN '26. OWNED BY THE COUNTY, STATEMENT AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. AND PREFERABLY BY DISTRICT. GET ON YOUR SCREAM ABOUT THAT. IN THE MOTIONS FOLDER SITTING AND WAITING TO GET A FINANCIAL, FISCAL UPDATE EVERY QUARTER WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT WE HAVE USED. WHAT WE HAVE ENCUMBERED AND WHAT WE HAVE LEFT. AS WE CLOSE THIS FUNDING CON STRUNGZ FOR -- DISCUSSION FOR PAVING. TO HAVE A MOTION THAT WILL PROBABLY COME THURSDAY AND I WELCOME TALKING TO YOUR TEAM IF YOU WANT TO REACH OUT TO KELLY, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND START HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS. REALLY EXCITED WHAT WE CAN DO FOR PAVING AND HOW WE CAN MONITOR IT. EVERY QUARTER FINDING OUT HOW OUR MONEY ARE BEING SPENT AND WE WILL FIND OUT OF WHAT HAVE THE AND A GREAT WAY TO ENSURE THAT AS QUESTION GO ON MORE PAVING AND MONEY AND SPENT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. SECONDARILY, I WANTED TO ASK MR. ROGERO SOMETHING I HAVE SEEN AND I THINK I SAW BY MYSELF SIT HERE, BUT I WANT YOUR INPUT. IF YOU CAN GO BACK TO OUR PRESENTATION AND BRANDON, I AM SET AND I APPRECIATE YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE MORE QUESTIONS. DON'T GET TOO COMFORTABLE. >>LYNN HURTAK: DEBT SERVICES FUNDING. YOUR SLIDE 4. >>DENNIS ROGERO: CAN I HAVE THE PRESENTATION BACK UP, PLEASE. I'M SORRY, MA'AM, WHAT SLIDE? >>LYNN HURTAK: SLIDE 4. DEBT SERVICES FOR THE NET BUDGET FOR ALL FUNDS. THE DEBT SERVICES FUND IS $85.9 MILLION. YEAH. 8 85.9 MILLION. BUT IF YOU GO FORWARD -- IT DOESN'T HAVE IT. PAGE 17 IT LOOKS LIKE. NONAD VALOREM SERVICES AVENUES 26.5 MILLION. SO 65 VERSUS 26 IS THAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DEBT SERVICES FUNDS FOR JUST GENERAL FUND AND ITS 6579 MILLION FOR ENTERPRISE AND COMBINED TOGETHER? >>DENNIS ROGERO: WELL, NOT ENTERPRISE. BUT CONFINED TO THE GENERAL FUND. >>LYNN HURTAK: CORRECT. >>DENNIS ROGERO: LET ME GO BACK TO 64. WHAT DOES THAT INCLUDE? MIKE MAY KNOW. COME ON UP. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. MIKE PERRY, FINANCE. THAT INCLUDES THE NONAD VALOREM, AND THE STORMWATER DEBT, AND PLUS THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT DEBT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK IT WILL BE HELPFUL WHEN WE LOOKING AT THIS DEBT SERVICE, THIS TABLE ON PAGE 17 DOESN'T ADEQUATELY SHOW THAT HE AND I WAS CONFUSED. A WAY TO HAVE THE BREAKOUT OF THE DEBT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THIS ADEQUATELY SHOWS WHERE WE ARE DEBT WISE. >> THAT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES THE NONAD VALOREM DEBT, MAN. >>LYNN HURTAK: CORRECT. BUT WHAT EACH SAYING IF WE ARE LOOKING AT THE DEBT WE HAVE COMING AND THE DEBT WE ARE PAYING OFF THIS YEAR. THE DEBTS IS $41 MILLION MORE THAN WHAT IS UP THERE. I WANT THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND THAT AND WOULD LIKE TO THAT HE THAT IN STOSHTD, EVER EVER STABBED, FORM. THE CIT AND THAT DEBT AND THAT DEBT. WHAT IS OUR -- BASICALLY OUR DEBT OUTLAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU WANT A CHART SHOWING TOTAL DEBT. INCLUDING PER PRIZE? >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST THIS 65.9 MILLION. I WANT TO KNOW --. >>MICHAEL PERRY: GLAD YOU GLORIFIED. >>LYNN HURTAK: I SEE THE 26.9 ON THE PIE CHART AND I AM LIKE, WOW, THAT IS A LOT MONEY. WE GO DOWN TO IT, $26.5 AND IT DOESN'T RECONCILE. I WANT US AS COUNCIL AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC TO SAY $679.9 MILLION. HOW IS THAT GOING AND IS THAT THE DROP. IS THE DROP SIMILAR OR NOT. >>DENNIS ROGERO: COPY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I ASK SOMETHING IN ADDITION TO THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: SURE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE A CHART -- ANTICIPATED QUARTER OF A BILLION DOLLAR -- I WOULD LIKE THAT TAGGED ON TO THE SAME CHART. WHAT THE ANTICIPATED ISSUE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE LOVELY COLORING THAT YOU ALWAYS DO WILL BE VERY HANDY FOR THAT. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I DO LIKE COLOR. >>LYNN HURTAK: AFTER WE TALK OF THIS FINAL CONVERSATION ABOUT ISSUING MORE DEBT. I WANT US AND THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE HAVE COMING. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I AM SORRY, IF I CAN JUST CLARIFY. AND I APPRECIATE THAT OBSERVATIONS, BECAUSE YOU SAW THAT WAS QUITE THE DISCREPANCY AND BEARS EXPLAINING. WHEN WE ADD THE ANTICIPATED QUARTER OF A BILLION DEBT, YOU WANT TO SEE IT OUT -- OKAY, SO WE WILL COMBINE THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST BEFORE -- HONESTLY FOR ME, WANT TO SEE IT ANY FURTHER OUT. WE ARE IN CHARGE FOR TWO MORE YEARS. >>DENNIS ROGERO: COPY. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WANT TO SEE WHAT WE SEE. SINCE WE ARE ALL TALKING OF DEBT IN GENERAL, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT CONVERSATION AND WE SHOULD JUST JUST -- >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST HAVE A -- COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA IS NEXT AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ALONG THE SAME TOKEN THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WAS TALKING ABOUT, QUARTERLY REPORT ON THE ROADS AND SO FORTH. IF I CAN ADD TO THAT ANY COST THAT WAS NOT OPENED, COST OF MATERIALS ORIENT, THAT WAY WE CAN FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT THE FIGURE REALLY WAS. >>LYNN HURTAK: COST CHANGES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: APPRECIATE IF YOU ADD THAT TO YOUR MOTION. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL MENTION COST CHANGES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU MENTIONED C.I.T., COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX. AND IT IS CALLED PUBLIC FACILITIES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: DENNIS, SORRY TO MAKE YOU COME UP AGAIN -- WE SHOULD HAVE COMFY RECLINERS FOR YOU UP FRONT. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I DON'T WANT TO CROWD THE PODIUM. >>BILL CARLSON: WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT. TOTAL DEBTS -- DO IT IN THREE DIFFERENT BUCKETS OR DIFFERENT CHARTS. AND ANNE AN ISSUE OF TOTAL. I DISAGREE. WE SHOULD CARRY IT OUT AND SEE IT FOR THE LEAVE OF THE BONDS. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THAT WILL ACCOMMODATE YOUR TIME FRAME, MA'AM. >>BILL CARLSON: PUTTING A BURDEN ON WHOEVER WILL REPLACE US. THE $65 MILLION. DID YOU SAY THAT DOES OR DOES NOT INCLUDE THE DEBT SERVICE ON THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THE WHAT? I AM SORRY. >>BILL CARLSON: ENTERPRISE FUND. DEBARDELEBEN MENDENHALL IT DOES BUT ONE. >>BILL CARLSON: IF YOU DID IT IN DIFFERENT COLORS, INCLUDE ENTERPRISE FUND. WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE TOTAL DEBT IS. WE HAVE BEEN ASKING ABOUT -- AND YOUR TEAM HAS BEEN HELPING US WHAT THE TOTAL DEBT CAPACITY OF THE CITY. I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO PEOPLE WHO ARE CONSULTANTS OF BONDING AGENCIES. A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE VERY SOPHISTICATED THAT ARE WORRIED WE ARE GETTING CLOSE TO THE EDGE. AND WE HAVE GOT TO LOOK AT THE DEBT IN TOTAL. IT TOOK US PROBABLY BECAUSE WE WEREN'T ASKING THE QUESTIONS IN THE RIGHT WAY, BUT TOOK US A COUPLE OF YEARS TO GET TO THE TOTAL DEBT NUMBER. AND THE LAST I SAW, THE TOTAL DEBT WAS $1.65 BILLION WHICH INCLUDES EVERYTHING. IS THAT THE CORRECT NUMBER? IS THAT INCLUDES ENTERPRISE DEBT. INCLUDES GENERAL REVENUE DEBT. DOES THAT INCLUDE EVERYTHING? THE TOTAL DEBT OF EVERYTHING WITHIN THE CITY? >>DENNIS ROGERO: I DON'T HAVE THAT ON ME RIGHT NOW. >>BILL CARLSON: THE PROBLEM THE CITY, UNLIKE A BUSINESS, DOESN'T AN INCOME STATEMENT ANDBALANCE SHEET. IF WE HAD A BALANCE SHEET IT WOULD BE LISTED. NEEDS TO BE SIMPLY LISTED SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT. BECAUSE REVENUE HAS BEEN ASSIGNED TO IT DOESN'T MEAN WE DON'T HAVE DEBT. AND THE BONDING AND RATING AGENCIES MAY LOOK AT THESE SEPARATELY BUT THERE IS THE OVERALL PICTURE. AS WE TALKED BEFORE, DID A GOOD JOB OF ADDING TO THE GENERAL FUND RESERVE AND TO BE FISCALLY PRUDENT. I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF ANY NEW DEBT. SOME DEBT THAT WE HAVE PUT IN THE PIPELINE ALREADY FOR FIRE STATIONS ANY NEW PROPOSED DEBT I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF IT ALL. PEOPLE SAY WE ARE TOO CLOSE TO THE EDGE. AND WE SHOULDN'T. IN 2028 WHEN WE HIT THAT CLIFF. SO WE ARE NOT -- AT THAT POINT SOME FUTURE COUNCIL CAN MAKE A DECISION DEBT SERVICE, BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD ADD ANY MORE. EVEN IF WE CAN DO IT FROM A CASH FLOW BASIS, WE ARE WASTE TOO MUCH MONEY IN INTEREST. SO EVEN THOUGH WE ARE GETTING OKAY INTEREST RATES, IF SOMETHING IS $100 MILLION AND PAYING $80 IN MILLION OR $90 MILLION, THAT IS TOO MUCH AND WASTING TAXPAYER DOLLARS. CERTAIN THINGS THAT THE PUBLIC REALLY WANTS. ANYTHING THAT THE PUBLIC WANTS WE SHOULDN'T BORROW MONEY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. HOW ABOUT THIS. MR. ROGERO, THE CHARTS WE WERE TALK BEING, IS THERE A WAY TO PROVIDE THEM NEXT WEEK WITH THE ENTERPRISE FUND DISCUSSION SO THAT TIME A HIS OR HER WHO WILL STICK DISCUSSION AFTER ENTERPRISE AND BEFORE THE SOCIAL ACTION ARMS? >>BILL CARLSON: CAN I ASK MISS COPESKY, $1765. DO YOU HAVE THAT YOU DOCUMENT WITH YOU? WHEN WE TALK OF DEBT LATER, I THINK IT WILL BE HELPFUL TO SEE, BECAUSE THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW WHAT OUR TOTAL DEBT IS. >>LYNN HURTAK: 100%. THAT IS WHY I THINK THAT HAVING -- GETTING THOSE NUMBERS, GETTING THAT CHART. I WOULD AMEND -- I AM ASSUMING. I DON'T NEED TO MAKE A MOTION ABOUT THIS. THIS IS JUST -- THIS IS WHAT WE CAN HAVE FOR NEXT WEEK. AND YET ANOTHER COLOR OR COLORS FOR ENTERPRISE DEBT. HOW IS THAT? BECAUSE WE CAN KIND OF SEE HOW IT ALL LOOKS. >>DENNIS ROGERO: CERTAINLY. >>LYNN HURTAK: IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT, REACH OUT TO ME AND I CAN SEND YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW. A QUICK SHOT, IS THIS WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR. I WILL TELL YOU YES AND NO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET ME REMIND THAT WE CAN HAVE REQUESTS BUT NOT MOTION. >>LYNN HURTAK: YES AS A MOTION FOR A REQUEST. WE WILL JUST MAKE A REQUEST OF THAT. AND THAT IS WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA WANTS TO SPEAK. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: FINE TO SAY YOU DON'T HAVE ANY DEBT. NAME ME ONE AMERICAN CORPORATION, INCLUDING THE BIG AUTOMOBILES THAT DON'T HAVE DEBT. IF YOU HAVE A BIG COMPANY, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CARRY SOME DEBT, BECAUSE YOUR CASH FLOW DOESN'T EQUAL WHAT YOUR EXPENSES ARE ON A DAILY BASIS OR MONTHLY BASIS. THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE AT THE CLOSING STATEMENTS AFTER IT IS DONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL CLOSE OUT THE DEBT THING ON THIS. THERE HAS TO BE -- YOU KNOW, YOU AND I HAD MANY CONVERSATION ABOUT DEBT AND BONDING AND CERTAIN THINGS THAT -- I SUPPORT BONDING ON GENERATIONAL FUNDING PROJECTS. AND THERE IS AN APPROPRIATE PLACE FOR DEBT FOR A CITY, FOR A MUNICIPALITY AND TIME INAPPROPRIATE. WE HAVE TO HAVE KIND OF A REALLY SEE-THE-LIGHT MOMENT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NEEDS AND EXPECTATIONS OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA VERSUS THE REVENUE. QUITE CLEAR WHEN YOU -- WE DON'T EVERYTHING THAT THE PEOPLE DEMAND US TO DO WITHOUT AT LEAST SOME STRATEGIC DEBT AT THE CURRENT MILLAGE RATE THAT WE HAVE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT SLIDE 10 ON YOUR PRESENTATION. YOU LOOK AT THE COMPASSION. AND THIS IS NOT POLITICALLY POPULAR AND ME SAYING THIS IS NOT POLITICALLY POPULAR, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MILLAGE RATES FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA VERSUS ORLANDO, ST. PETERSBURG AND MIAMI, DARN NEAR ANY -- I GONE AND LOOKED AT THIS. YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE SMALL CITIES OUT THERE, THEIR MILLAGES ARE SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER THAN OUR. OUR REVENUE -- THE PROBLEM THE EXPECTATION OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN CITY OF TAMPA AND THE REVENUE, IT IS OUT OF LINE. BECAUSE -- PART OF IT IS BECAUSE WE HAD SO MANY DECADES OF LACK OF INVESTMENT AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO CATCH UP. IT IS JUST A REALLY DIFFICULT THRESHOLD TO MEET. EITHER WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MEET THOSE EXPECTATIONS THROUGH MILLAGE AND THROUGH SOME OTHER TAX REVENUE A NEW ALL FOR THAT WILL HELP ALEVE THE PROBLEM WITH INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT OR PEOPLE ARE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO SETTLE FOR THE LOWER TAX RATE AND DRIVE ON BE ROUTE LEVEL OR GAZA-LEVEL ROADS. THAT IS KIND OF LIKE WHERE WE ARE AT. I KNOW, TOUGH WORD. POLITICAL REALITY. IF WE HAVE BONDING I MOVE -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ONE THING AND THEN I WILL LEAVE. IF IN FACT THE CITY OF TAMPA WOULD RECEIVE ALL THE SALES TAX MONEY. ALL THE MONEY WE COLLECT ON A MONTHLY BASIS, WE DON'T GET IT ALL AT ONE TIME. YOU HAVE TO EXTEND THAT. AD VALOREM TAX. YOU PAY THE TAX IN NOVEMBER OR THE DISCOUNT AND THE END OF THE TERM OR DECEMBER OR WHATEVER DON'T SPEND ADDITIONAL TO THE CAUSE. THE MEANTIME, YOU ARE RUNNING THE CITY USING UP SOME OF THE MONEY YOU NEED TO RUN THE CITY IN. SO IT IS HIGHLY IMPOSSIBLE. THIS IS NOT LOOK A GAS STATION THAT YOU SELL THE GAS AND YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU GOT COMING IN AND OUT AND ON A DAILY BASIS. OUR CASH FLOW DOES NOT COME IN EVERY DAY, SIMPLY TO ONE THE CITY. COMES IN 2001 BIG LUMP TO KEEP TRACK OF WHAT WE SPENT TO PAY OURSELVES BACK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: GO AHEAD AND DO YOUR TRANSPORTATION BECAUSE I HAVE ANOTHER LARGE SUBJECT I WOULD LIKE TO TACKLE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: JUST ONE FINAL THING ON DEBT. IF WE HAVE A BALANCE SHEET, WE WOULD HAVE THE DIFFERENT DEBT SOURCES LISTED AND EVERYBODY WILL BE EASY TO SEE IT. GREAT IF WE HAD A SHEET LIKE THAT SO PEOPLE CAN SEE AND THE INCOME STATEMENT WILL HAVE OUR INCOME SOURCES. THE CONCERN THE PUBLIC HAS NOW, WE THINK IS A TOTAL NUMBER ON DEBT. WE WILL CONFIRM IT, $1.65 BILLION AND REVENUES ARE $1.95 BILLION. THE RATIO OF DEBT TO REVENUE IS ABOUT 85% SAND ALTHOUGH THE FEEDBACK YOU GOT AND FROM YOUR CONSULTANT THAT IS OKAY, THE PUBLIC IS CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. THE TOTAL PERCENTAGE -- EVEN THOUGH DIFFERENT REVENUE SOURCES BUT TOTAL PERCENTAGE. THE INTEREST COSTS -- EVERYTHING COSTS DOUBLE. AND IF WE PAY A FEW YEARS, WE CAN PAY WITHOUT IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OKAY. YOU CAN WALK AWAY. BRANDON. WE LET YOU GO BEFORE THE TRANSPORTATION WAS FINISHED. WE JUST FINISHED PAVING. NUMBER ONE IS PAVING AND NUMBER TWO IS. >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: STREETCAR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: STREETCAR. WE HAVE BEEN BEATING THIS DRUM AND I KNOW HE INCREASED THROUGH HART REQUESTS THE FUNDING ARE THE EXISTING STREETCAR TO KEEP FARE FREE AND REQUEST FROM HEART. WHAT ARE THE EXPENDITURES AND PLANNING FOR FY '26 TO BE A CATALYST FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE STREETCAR SYSTEM? >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: YES, WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE SCOPE AND FEE NEXT FOR THE PROJECT DEVELOPMENT WORK ORDER WITH HDR AS THE CONSULTANT. THE MEANTIME, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT WE HAVE A SMALLER WORK ORDER WITH THEM TO BEGIN LOOKING AT THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT AND OPTIONS FOR MAKING MODIFICATIONS TO THAT TO PAY FOR FUTURE OPERATION AS WELL AS ONGOING OPERATION. THAT IS IN PROGRESS. AND THE THIRD ITEM THAT IS ONGOING WITH THAT, WE HAVE STANTECH WORKING ON A CULTURAL RESIS AYE SESMENT SURVEY. DID A GPR SURVEY OF THE AREA IF QUESTION AND WE DO THE TO OUR FEDERAL PARTNER WHERE IS THEY SAID DON'T PROCEED TO THE NEXT STEP UNTIL WE DO ADDITIONAL PROJECT DEVELOPMENT. I THINK THERE WAS A LIT BIT OF BACK AND FORTH OF HOW THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO PROCEED WITH SOME OF THE COUNTRY RALE RESOURCE QUESTIONS SHOULD PROCEED. BUT WE ARE CONTINUING TO WORK WITH FTA ON THAT. SOMETHING THAT I DON'T THINK I HAVE SPOKEN TO YOU ALL ABOUT TO THIS POINT THAT WITH TURNOVER ON THE FEDERAL TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION, WE HAD A DIFFERENT PROJECT COORDINATOR ASSIGNED TO THAT. SO THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF -- OF REACQUAINT THAN PERIOD WITH THEM THAT -- REACQUAINTANCE PERIOD WITH THEM THAT WE HAVE ENGAGED WITH. WE ARE CONTINUING WITHOUT THE EXECUTED CONTRACT TO MAKE STEPS, TO MAKE PROGRESS. WE EXPECT THAT THE LARGER DEVELOPMENT CONTRACTS TO COME BEFORE YOU IN COMING DAYS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS ON THE SEPTEMBER COUNCIL AGENDA FOR NOT, I CAN VERIFY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK THEY ARE COMING UP. LOOKING IN THE REAR-VIEW MIRROR IF YOU ARE ASKING ME TO GRADE WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROGRESS OF THIS IN '24 AND '25. I WOULD SAY A D-MINUS. A D. WHAT CAN WE DO IN FY '26 TO IMPROVE THAT GRADE. WHEN YOU ARE STANDING HERE A YEAR FROM NOW. AND IN YOUR CAPACITY IN THE DEPARTMENT. WHAT CAN YOU DO YOU IN PEA 26 TO IMPROVE THAT GRADE 12K3W4. >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: THE KEY GETTING THAT WORK ORDER APPROVED AND GETTING THE CONSULTANT STARTED. ONCE THAT ROAD BLOCK OR HURDLE IS CLEARED WE WILL BE ABLE TOO PROGRESS THAT MUCH MORE -- YOU WILL SEE PROGRESS. IT WILL BE MUCH MORE VISIBLE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO IN 12 MONTHS FROM NOW, WITH THAT CONTRACT APPROVED AND WE HOLD A BLESS CONFERENCE AND THE OUTSIDE WORLD IS LOOKING IN. WHAT WILL YOU BE ABLE TO SUPPORT TO THEM AS FAR AS SUBSTANTIAL MOVEMENT FORWARD IN THE EX-PLANNING OF THE STREETCAR. >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: SOME CHANGES OF THE N EPA INVESTIGATION YET TO BE SEEN. AT 12 MONTHS THE END OF THAT N EPA EXPLANATION AND CLEARANCE. THE FEDERAL GUIDELINES ON THAT ARE KIND OF EVOLVING. THE EXPECTATION TO THE TURN AROUND FOR NEPA CLEARANCE WILL BE QUICKER AND REALISTIC THAT 12 YEARS -- 12 MONTHS FROM NOW -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: KNOCK ON WOOD AFTER YOU SAID THAT. >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: -- THAT WE WILL BE AT THE POINT WHERE WE SAY, HEY, WE ARE CLEARING ON THE NEPA. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NICE TO HAVE SOME GOOD NEWS OUT YOU HAVE WASHINGTON. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE TWO QUICK THINGS. JUST ADDING TO THAT. THE O'ER DAY SPP, OR SOMEBODY ON THEIR BEHALF, TALKED HOW THEY ARE FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THE CITY WILL BE FARTHER AHEAD IN TRANSPORTATION SO NOT HAVE TO BUILD COUPLERLAND GARAGE. MY UNDERSTANDING FROM VIK. IT WAS PROMISED YEARS AGO AND THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BUILT YEARS AGO AND BLAMED ON THE TRAFFIC DOWNTOWN BECAUSE THE GARAGE WASN'T THERE. THE FIRST PART OF THAT WASN'T THAT PLANNED IN THE PAST ALREADY? AND SECOND, THE STREETCAR HAS RECORD RIDERSHIP. WAS THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE PROMISED SPP THAT WE DIDN'T DO? WHY ARE THEY COMPLAINING THAT WE DIDN'T DO SOMETHING? >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: I AM NOT SURE WE PROMISED THEM ANYTHING THAT WE DIDN'T DO. >>BILL CARLSON: LOOKS TO ME A SET-UP FOR ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION 3 WHICH HAS BEEN -- ANYWAY, I WON'T COMMENT -- >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: PART OF THE PROJECT DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IS SETTING UP A FINANCIAL PLAN FOR THE LOCAL MATCH AND THE OPERATION OF THE EXTENDED STREET CAR. SOME OF THESE DETAILS ARE WILL COME OUT IN THAT WHOLE PROCESS. >>BILL CARLSON: I AM THANKFUL FOR EVERYTHING THAT THE INVESTORS ON WATER STREET HAVE DONE AND SOME POLITICAL AGENDA. SECOND THING IT RELATED TO TRANSPORTATION IS THAT THE -- THAT SIX YEARS AGO, MADE A MOTION, WHICH COUNCIL APPROVED FOR A CITY WIDE SIDEWALK PLAN. WAIT UNTIL IT COMES OUT OF THE. SIDEWALKS ARE NOT BUILT. PEOPLE ARE MAD. PEOPLE SAYING SIDEWALKS THAT ARE HAZARDS IN THEIR YARDS. YOU GET THE E-MAILS LIKE I DO. ANY ADDITIONAL MONEY IN THIS BUDGET FOR SIDEWALKS? >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: THERE IS SIDEWALK CAPITAL PROJECT. I WILL SAY ON THE MOVES PLAN, IT IDENTIFIED WHERE OUR SIDEWALK GAPS ARE, 1300 MILES OF SIDEWALK GAPS AN SETS UP A PRIORITIZATION, HIGH, MEDIUM AND LOW AND AMONGST THAT, DIFFICULT TO PRIORITIZE AMONG THE HIGH PRIORITY PROJECTS WHICH ONES TO SELECT ON WITH A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS. >>BILL CARLSON: DO YOU KNOW -- DO YOU WHOA WHAT THE SIDEWALK BUDGET IS IN THIS NEW BUDGET? AND WHAT IT SHOULD BE? SIMILAR TO ROADS WHERE WE ARE SPENDING $41 MILLION SHOULD BE SPENDING 50 MILLION TO KEEP UP. WHAT IS THE TOTAL TO BE BEHIND IN IF YOU TAKE THE 1300 MILES OF ROADS OR SIDEWALKS, WHAT IS THE TOTAL WE ARE BEHIND AND HOW MUCH SHOULD WE BE SPENDING PER YEAR JUST TO KEEP UP. DO YOU KNOW? >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: A QUESTION HOW QUICKLY SHOULD WE BE FILLING IN THOSE 1300 MILES. TO FILL THEM IN ALL, WE ARE LOOKING AT A MULTIBILLION DOLLAR PROGRAM. >>BILL CARLSON: $2 BILLION OR $5 BILLION. .<,NEW LINE>>> B[L]R[L]And[L]O[L]N: I WOULD SAY $1.5 BILLION. >>BILL CARLSON: THE WHOLE BUDGET OF THE CITY TO CATCH UP. HOW MUCH TO GET -- HOW MUCH ARE WE SPEND SNLG. >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: AT THIS POINT, WHAT THE LINE-ITEM FOR THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR SIDEWALKS FOR FISCAL '26? >>DENNIS ROGERO: SIDEWALK, SIDEWALK -- >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: WE HAVE A $1.2 MILLION SIDEWALK MAINTENANCE AND REHABILITATION LINE ITEM IN THE CAPITAL PROGRAM. AND $350,000 CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. >>BILL CARLSON: IT LOOKED -- DO I REMEMBER CORRECTLY SO YOU CAN JUST NOD SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET UP. YEARS AGO IT WAS $600,000. CAN WE DOUBLE WHAT IT WAS A FEW YEARS AGO OR DO YOU REMEMBER? >>MICHAEL PERRY: MIKE PERRY, I DON'T REMEMBER, SIR. >>BILL CARLSON: JUST TRYING TO PUT IT IN CONTEXT. I REMEMBER WHEN THEY WERE SELLING ALL FOR TRANSPORTATION, $600,000 TO $6 MILLION A YEAR IF THAT PASSED. BUT $600,000 TO $1.2 MILLION, IT SHOWS IT HAS GONE UP. JUST NOT ENOUGH. WE DON'T HAVE $1.5 BILLION TO GO THROUGH AND FIX ALL OF THEM AT THE SAME TIME. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. JUST SO YOU KNOW AS WELL FOR SIDEWALKS. WHAT I ASKED FOR PAVING IN -- THE FINANCIALS FOR PAVING, I AM GOING TO ASK FOR SIDEWALKS INCLUDING THE MAPS. PAVING AND SIDEWALKS WILL GO SIMILAR AND I WILL GET WITH YOUR OFFICE ON THAT BECAUSE I AGREE, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT. AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE $2 MILLION EXTRA PETITION NEWT SIDEWALK. SO I JUST HAVE TWO QUICK THINGS TO SAY OF TRANSPORTATION AND GOING TO WAIT UNTIL NEXT WEEK BUT I WILL SAY IT NOW. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TALK OF SIDEWALKS -- >>LYNN HURTAK: KEN I GET THIS OUT AND THEN WE WILL TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE. RIDERSHIP IS DOING GREAT. YOU KNOW WHAT HE IS GREATER, RIDERSHIP ON ROUTE 1, HIGHER THAN RIDERSHIP ON THE STREETCAR. IT HAS BEEN EVERY SINGLE MONTH. I WILL BE EXPECTING FOR THE CITY TO FIND $ MIL3 MILLION FOR A FO THE PARKING FEE BUDGET. DURING OUR FABULOUS MID-YEAR REVIEW, MR. ROGERO SAID OUR PROJECT IS FUND BALANCE IS 11.9 MILLION. WE WILL HAVE POLLENLENTY OF MON THAT 37 WE WILL LOOK WHERE WE CAN GET THAT MONEY OUT THE DOOR AND BACKFILL THE PROJECTS WITH THE $11.9 MILLION WE ARE EXPECTED TO HAVE WITH OVERAGE. THAT IS ALL I WANTED TO SAY OF TRANSPORTATION. I WILL LET YOU TALK OF SIDEWALKS. BECAUSE I WANT TO TALK OF SALARY AND BENEFITS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ONE THING OF SIDEWALKS. I ASKED MR. BHIDE BECAUSE OF THE IN-HOUSE PAVING CREW TO HAVE IN-HOUSE FOR SIDEWALK. PUTTING DOWN CONCRETE. HAS ANYBODY MOVED ON THAT? >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: WE HAVE NO NOT MADE ANOT OF PROGRESS ON THAT. RIGHT NOW THE FOCUS ON BUILDING THE CAPABILITY OF OUR SECOND PAVING CREW. THAT IS KIND OF ON THE ROAD MAP OF WHAT IS OUR NEXT IN-HOUSE CAPABILITY EXPANSION WOULD BE. BUT WE HAVE -- LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE BEEN BUILDING THAT PAVING CAPABILITY. I THINK MAY KNOW WE COMMISSIONED OUR SECOND PAVER ABOUT FOUR WEEKS AGO. WE ARE STILL IN A SCALE-BUILDING PHASE WITH THAT AND CERTAINLY ON THE ROAD MAP FOR THE NEXT POTENTIAL -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK THIS COUNCIL HAS GIN GIVEN TRANSPORTATION KUDOS OF BEING INNOVATIVE AND SAVING SO MUCH MONEY. GET SO MUCH WITH SO MUCH LESS. AND REPLICATE THAT AS COUNCILMAN CARLSON POINTED OUT THE DEFICIT AND THE HOLD ON SIDEWALKS. ANYTHING WE CAN TO DO BRIDGE THAT AS BEST AS WE CAN. IN '26, IF YOU GUYS STUDY THAT AND BY THE TIME WE GET TO 27, PRESENT US FOR IN-HOUSE SIDEWALKS. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: ON THAT NOTE, THOUGH, IT WOULD BE GREAT MR. ROGERO IF THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD SEE TO PUT ANOTHER MILLION OR TWO IN THE SIDEWALK FUND PARKING FEES IN ORDER TO GO AHEAD AND GET WHAT YOU NEED TO START UP A SIDEWALK CREW. THAT WOULD BE -- MAYBE BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM, HOW MUCH THAT MIGHT COST TO BALL PARK WISE AND TO SEE -- BECAUSE I KNOW IT TOOK A YEAR TO START -- GET THE PAVING CREW UP. IF YOU CAN SIMPLY GET US STARTED AND GET THE SIDEWALK CREW UP AND SOMETHING TO YOU WOULD YOU LOVE TO -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SORRY, I AM OUT -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? >>BRANDON CAMPBELL: THANKFULLY WITH THE SIDEWALK CREW, A LOT SPECIALTY PAVEMENT. HAD A LONG I WANT TIME. NOT TO OVERSIMPLIFY THE PROJECTS THAT CAN BE FAIRLY COMPLEX, BUT THE EQUIPMENT INVOLVED CAN BE GENERALLY MORE OFF THE SHELF. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE DO THE SIMPLE STUFF AND CONTRACT OUT. BECAUSE A LOT OF STUFF THAT SHOULD BE RELATIVELY STRAIGHTFORWARD. COUPLE OF 2 X 4,s. OPINION COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: ARE WE TALKING ABOUT MOBILITY ISSUES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOBILITY. AND WE KIND OF HONED THAT DOWN. BRANDON WAS OUR FIRST VICTIM. AND WE ACTUALLY HE DID DEBT AND DOING THIS. AND I GUESS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK WILL KICK OFF SOMETHING ELSE AS SOON AS YOU ARE FINISHED. >>LUIS VIERA: I HAVE OTHER TOPICS AND NOT MOBILITY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SHE HAS ONE COMING UP NOW. >>LYNN HURTAK: THERE ARE IS MY LAST ONE FOR NOW THAT I WANTED TO TALK OF MR. ROGERO AND POSSIBLY HR ABOUT. 30 MILLION INCREASE IN SALARY AN BENEFITS. THAT IS ASTRONOMICAL. AND I THINK THE CONCERN OF COUNCIL AND AT LEAST FROM ME AND OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS. HOW WERE WE GETTING TO THESE NUMBERS. PUBLIC SENDING US E-MAILS THAT SO MANY PEOPLE ARE OVER A CERTAIN THRESHOLD. MY ONE REQUEST BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT BUDGET HEARING IS TO GET A -- A BASELINE OF THE LAST FIVE YEARS OF SALARY AND BENEFITS. I WOULD LIKE TO SPLIT THAT OUT BETWEEN SALARY AND BENEFITS. SO IDEALLY HAVING A CHART WHERE BENEFITS ARE A SEPARATE COLOR THAN SALARY. AND THEN. YOU KNOW, I CAN THINK OF ONE CASE WHERE A DEPARTMENT HEAD IS MAKING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY AND THE NEXT PERSON WHO CAME IN MADE 25% MORE. AND THAT JUST, AGAIN, I -- I UNDERSTAND NEXT HAS TO GO ON. BUT AT SOME POINT, IT IS -- COUNCIL HAS TO HAVE THE ABILITY ABILITY TO SAY NO MORE THAN THIS TOP AMOUNT. IF WE ARE CONTROLLING THE BUDGET BUT DURING THE YEAR, SO MANY INCREASES, NOT JUST YOUR STEP INCREASE OR ANNUAL INCREASE, BUT FOLKS GOING WAY AND ABOVE THAT. WE ARE HAVING A HARD TIME PULLING THIS ALL IN TOGETHER IF WE HAVE SUCH A LARGE INCREASE EVERY YEAR. FOR ALL THE YEARS I HAVE BEEN HERE. I CAN'T THINK OF A TIME WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE SUCH DRAMATIC INCREASES IN BOTH SALARY AND BENEFITS. ANYBODY ELSE WANT ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAD NUMEROUS CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS TOPIC WITH THE CHIEF OF STAFF. AND MAYBE THE CHIEF OF STAFF CAN COME UP AND PROVIDE CLARITY. I HAD THE SAME CONCERNS THAT YOU JUST EXPRESS AND LET ME LET HIM TELL YOU WHAT HE TOLD. >>JOHN BENNETT: JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF. OF THE DATA IDEA, I DID DESKTOP ANALYSIS TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS OVER THE WEEKEND AND JUST AGAIN -- A LITTLEAL GRA BRAYIC HERE -- ALGEBRAIC IF YOU DON'T MIND. THE OFFICER SAID BY FY '25, THE LOWEST MILLAGE RATE COMPARED TO OUR OTHER CITIES. AGAIN, TO PUT A PIN IN THAT FOR A SECOND. OUR PERSONNEL TO POPULATION IS ON PAR FOR THE LOWEST OF THESE OTHER MAJOR CITIES. WHAT I DECIDED TO DO WAS TAKE A LOOK AT A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO CELEBRATE SOMETHING -- BUT I WILL PUT A PIN IN THAT FOR A SECOND. OVERALL CAPITAL BUDGET COMPARED TO THOSE CITIES, WE ARE $18.75% BELOW ALL THE OTHER CITIES IN THE STATE WHICH A GOOD THING TO CELEBRATE. YOU DRILL DOWN INTO THE PERSONNEL ASPECT, I MEAN THAT IS $845 PER CAPITAL. WE LOW OUR PEER CITY IN THE STATE. IF WE ARE JUST ON PAR, BRING IN ANOTHER $345 MILLION. SO WE ARE OPERATING LEAN OVERALL. LEAN IN MILLAGE AND LEAN IN STAFF. TO GET MORE SPECIFIC OF THE PAY INCREASES. WALK YOU THROUGH THE METHODOLOGY WITH HIRING, RETENTION AND NEGOTI NEGOTIATIONS. THE FIRST THING IS HR AND THE WHOLE TEAM DEPENDIN ON THE PORTFOLIO WILL LOOK AT THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL COMPARE TIFFS. THAT IS WHAT I JUST DID. WE DO IT BY JOB CLASS. AND REPEATING OF CORPORATIONS THAT WILL CONTINUE TO LET FOLKS WORK FROM HOME AND HAVE OUR RECRUIT RETENTION CHALLENGE, OF COURSE. IOY APOLOGIZE FOR THE -- SEE IF I CAN MOVE THIS DOWN. FOCUS ON THE ECONOMIC CONDITIONS. YOU FOCUS THE CIP CHANGE FROM THE SUMMER OF '19 WHICH IS THE FIRST BUDGET PLANNING CYCLE OF THIS ADMINISTRATION TO MAY WHICH JULY HAVEN'T COME OUT YET, A 30.6% INCREASE IN JUST THE COST OF LIVING HERE LOCALLY. JOB RETENTION DATA. A LOT OF TIME THE PORTFOLIO ALSO WORK WITH HR AGAINST ECONOMY FOR THE DIFFERENT JOB DESCRIPTIONS. WE HAVE ALSO TAKEN INTO EFFICIENCY MOVING THIS CITY. AND I CAN TELL YOU A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS THAT LOOK AT WHY CERTAIN JOBS DON'T GET FILLED AND, AGAIN, THOSE KIND OF THINGS DON'T WORK INTO IT. ALL OF THESE THINGS LEAD TO THE FOUR-POINT ANALYSIS THAT I WORK WITH THE UNIONS ON START OFF WITH PAY AND BENEFITS WHAT WE FOCUS ON AND BALANCE THAT WITH THE OTHER THREE QUADRANTS. SUSTAINED LEVEL OF SERVICE WHICH IS REALLY HOW WE KEEP OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE UP TO THE COMMUNITY, MAKING SURE THAT OUR BOND RATINGS AND OUR FEES ARE WHERE THEY NEED TO BE. I KNOW WE ARE WORKING ON FEES BUT WE KNOW WHERE OUR BOND RATINGS ARE. AS YOU HAVE SEEN MR. ROGERO'S PRESENTATION, GENERAL FUND BALANCE NEEDS TO BE HEALTHY. ALL THE ECOSYSTEMS ARE IN PLACE, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT HOW WE ARE DOING. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE DESKTOP I DID ON THIS, TO TAKE THE ROLE ON WHAT YOU ARE ASKING US TO DO AND KIND OF PUT YOUR HAT ON, FULL. THE 49th LARGEST CITY IN THE COUNTRY. WE HAVE A LOT GOING ON HERE. I RAN OUR CITY AGAINST AN ANALYSIS OF FORTUNE 500 TO 1,000 COMPANIES AND WHAT WE ARE IN PAR WITH. OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM, BANDWIDTH IS $ $150,000. $165,000. WE ARE BELOW THE LARGE MUNICIPALITIES. SAME EXACT COMPANY OF A SIMILAR SIZE OF OUR CITY SALARIES ARE $2 TO $15 MILLION FOR C SUITE. WE KNOW WHY WE ARE HERE FOR SERVICES. NOT TO GIVE BONUSES AND TO GET WEALTHY. OUR SUITE WHICH IS DIRECTORS A LITTLE OVER $15 ,000 TO $160,000. WHAT WE DID AND I WANT TO CELEBRATE FOR CONTEXT, WHEN THIS ADMINISTRATION STARTED, SOMEBODY HAD PAN IDEA. I WANT TO CREDIT COUNCIL MEMBER DINGFELDER BACK THEN TO GOOSE UP OUR MINIMUM PAGE TO HAVE MORE LIVABLE AGE. AT THE TIME IT WAS $10. FOR THE RECORD, THE STATE WAS $8.46. RAN THE ANALYSIS, BROUGHT YOU IT TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND TO CO-CELEBRATE MOVED TO 15 AN HOUR. THOSE EMPLOYEES NOW BASED ON THEIR MERIT USING AN AVERAGE NOT THE HIGHEST OR LOWEST AND THROUGH NEGOTIATIONS OVER THE LAST SIX YEARS BROUGHT THEM TODAY 15 AN HOUR TO $23.18 AN HOUR. HERE IS THE BEAUTY OF THAT. NOW LIVABLE WAGE. HPC-25-0000025 LIVABLE WAGE FOLKS TOGETHER HOUSE HOLD, ROOMMATES, THEY ARE COMFORTABLY LIVING BETWEEN $9 ,000 AND $1150,000 THAT SAYS YOU CAN LIVE COMFORTABLY AND OWN A HOME. WHICH IS SOMETHING THE CITY CAN BE PROUD YOU HAVE. WE BREAK DOWN THE LOWEST PERSONNEL BY NUMBERS. THE LOWEST MILLAGE BY, AGAIN, CITY. THE LOWEST PER CAPITAL BUDGET ACROSS THE SIX-YEAR TREND OF ALL THE OTHER MAJOR CITIES. WE ARE HAPPY TO BREAK IT DOWN FOR YOU ABOUT WHAT THE BASELINE WAS TOP SHOW YOU HOW THAT GROWS. WHEN AN EMPLOYEE COMES IN, THEY HAVE A MINIMUM SALARY. A CAP ON EVERY POSITION WHETHER NEGOTIATING INSIDE THE BARGAINING OR THE NONBARGAINING UNIT. THERE IS A CAP. THAT CAP CAN ONLY MOVE IF THERE IS A WAGE INCREASE ON BOARD BASED ON NEGOTIATIONS. EVERYBODY OUTSIDE OF THE BARGAINING UNIT GETS A 3% COMPARED TO COST OF LIVING AND SIX-YEAR INSTEAD HE OF A TEN-YEAR KRECH TO GET TO THAT 30% CIP INCREASE. YOU LOOK THE BARGAINING SIDE THE STEP PLAN AND THE MERIT INCREASE TENDS TO BE OUR RETENTION. AND OUR COST OF LIVING IS OUR ECONOMIC BALANCE IN FACT. WHEN AN EMPLOYEE COMES IN, THEY GO RIGHT TO THE MINIMUM. THEIR RESUME, DEPEND GOING THEY ARE OUTSIDE BARGAINING CAN GO UP TO THE MIDPOINT NEXT WISE. IF IT GOES BEYOND THE MIDPOINT FOR WHATEVER REASON, THERE IS A WHOLE TASK FORCE THAT COMES TOGETHER, PORTFOLIO, HR, MY OFFICE, AND WE AGREE TO THAT. ANYTHING ABOVE THE MIDPOINT IS LOOKED AT EACH CASE, ONE AT A TIME. THE KIND THE M.O. OF WAY WE OPERATED OVER THE LAST SIX YEARS. I WILL TELL YOU THAT WORK ON THE INSURANCE SIDE EVER HOUSE WITH THE BENEFITS AND LET CH CHIEF ROGERO TALK ABOUT THAT A BIT. IT IS XUNDING FACTORS. I KNOW THE FIRST CART A $3, 3, 3.5 AND A FOR THE ATU AND 3, 3, 5 FOR THE POLICE. AND ALL ARE IN PARITY AND NEGOTIATING THE THIRD ONE. EVERY TIME WE NEGOTIATE COMPARE FORS ARE GIVEN TRANSPARENCY TO THE. AND WE TALK OF OTHER AGENCIES THAT ARE VYING FOR OUR POSITIONS, ESPECIALLY IN THE BADGE WEARING COMMUNITY. THEY ARE TRYING TO OUTDO US FOR OUR FRONT LINE PAY AND BONUSES. REALLY A COMPETITIVE SITUATION OUT THERE. AND WE TRY TO KEEP A 5% ATTRITION RATE ACROSS THE BOARD BECAUSE WHEN THE PUBLIC AND COUNCIL APPROVE THE BUDGET, WE WANT TO DO OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT IS ACTIONABLE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE LAST PENNY OF WHAT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO US. WE NEED THE PERSONNEL TO DO THAT. THAT IS KIND OF THE BIG SPIRIT OF THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATE THAT. OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A PHENOMENAL STAFF, BUT NOT BE OKAY FOR ME NOT TO MENTION IT, BECAUSE IT IS THE LARGEST INCREASE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE CONTINUOUSLY ASK ABOUT. THAT IS WHY I THINK IT WILL BE REALLY HAND TOW HAVE THE FIVE-YEAR PERSPECTIVE. THE REASON I WANT WANTED TO PUT FIVE YEARS IN IT, TO SEE FROM 2019 AND GOING FORWARD AND TO KIND OF HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT THE INCREASES. I DO REMEMBER I WAS HERE FOR THE 9% INCREASE AND 475 AND-- 4.5 A 4.5. I KNOW INSURANCE AND OTHER BENEFITS GO INTO THAT CONVERSATION WHICH IS WHY I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT AT OUR NEXT BUDGET MEETING, BUT REALLY JUST TO GET THAT CHART, TO SHOW THE PUBLIC WHAT WE ARE DOING. I APPRECIATE THE LEVEL SETTING THAT YOU JUST DID AND THE UNDERSTANDING. BUT, AGAIN, I STILL THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE PUBLIC REALLY WANTS TO HEAR MORE ABOUT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN YOU -- ONE THING I DIDN'T THINK YOU HIT HARD ENOUGH BECAUSE IT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE BARGAINING UNIT, THE PAY BANS. THAT YOU CAN -- CAN YOU EXPLAIN. CAN PEOPLE MOVE OUT OF THE PAY BAND. WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE PAY BANDS? ARE I'M CAPPED IN THE CITY OF TAMPA? >>JOHN BENNETT: AGAIN, GREAT QUESTION. WHETHER YOU ARE BARGAINING BY IS 3800 OF OUR 5,000 EMPLOYEES AND THE BALANCE WHICH LITTLE OVER 1200. HAS AS MINIMUM, MIDPOINT AND CAP AND YOU HAVE TO BE WITHIN THAT. FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S SAY I WAS IN THE BARGAINING UNIT AND HERE TEN YEARS AND GOT AN OUTSTANDING EVALUATION AND MY -- MY INCREASE FOR HAVING AN OUTSTANDING EVALUATION AS 4%. BUT I WAS ALREADY AT MY CAP, I WOULD GET ZERO THAT YEAR. EVERY PAY BAND HAS A CAP. EVERY CLASSIFICATION HAS A CAP. BARGAINING OR NONBARGAINING. OPINION THE ONLY WAY THAT MOVES IS THE NEXT THROUGH IT THE BARGAINING UNIT AND THE CAMPS MOVE UP. HOW IT MOVES THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND OFF LITTLE BIT OF ROOM TO GROW. BUT A LOT OF FOLK -- I KNOW ONE YEAR THAT THE -- THAT THE MANAGEMENT TEAM TOOK A ZERO PERCENT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY ELSE GOT WHAT THEY NEEDED FOR THE ECONOMY. EITHER WAY IT STAYS WITHIN THE BAND OF THE MINIMUM, MIDPOINT AND CAP SO IT CAN'T EXCEED THAT WITHOUT COUNCIL MOVING THE BUDGET. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GOING FOR SENIOR MANAGEMENT AS WELL. >>JOHN BENNETT: CORRECT. EVERYBODY HAS A FEELING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HIT THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE INQUIRY. >>JOHN BENNETT: UNDERSTOOD. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: IN THE SAY MALL IN SIS OF PAY INCREASES. I KNOW IT IS A CONCERN OF MINE AND ALSO THE COMMUNITY. ANOTHER THING TO BE FAIR, IF YOU TA TAKE. THERE WILL AN INCREASE IN EMPLOYEES AND GO BACK TO THE GREAT RECESSION AND GO FORWARD, YOU CAN DO AN ANALYSIS THAT SHOWS THAT THE PAY INCREASES OVER TIME DID NOT KEEP UP WITH INFLATION TALKING OF POLICE AND FIRE, 18% AND PEOPLE GOT UPSET. YOU LOOK AT IT WITH THE GREAT RECESSION, IT WOULD BE WAY BEHIND IF WE DID THE REGULAR INFLATION ADJUSTMENT. THIS IS WAY TO PUT IT IN CONTEXT. THE ANOTHER THING AND I WILL TALK ABOUT THIS AT ANOTHER TIME. THE -- -- IF -- ONLY POWER THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS OVER ANY OF THE MAYOR'S PEOPLE IS THE BUDGET. AND SITUATION WHERE IS I COMPLAINED TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. I COMPLAINED TO THE MAYOR. I COMPLAINED TO CHIEF OF STAFF OF PERCEIVED ILLEGAL OR UNETHICAL BY THE MAYOR'S STAFF, NOT ALL OF THEM, ONLY A FEW. IN PARTICULAR IF PEOPLE WORKING WITH CITY COUNCIL AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, THEY SHOULD BE FIRED. AS I TOLD THE MAYOR IF MY AIDE GOT INVOLVED OF POLITICAL ISSUES AGAINST THE MAYOR I WOULD FIRE HER AROUND MAYOR SHOULD DO THE SAME THING SO THE THE MAYOR SHOULD DO THE SAME THING PLAYING POLITICS ON CITY TIME. I HAVE GIVEN EVIDENCE TO THE MAYOR, CHIEF OF STAFF. NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE. THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID THE ONLY THING I CAN DO IS HIRE A LAWYER AND SUIT CITY WHICH I DON'T THINK IS AT RIGHT DECISION. SUBSEQUENT -- I WANT TO CUT THE BUDGET OF THE MAYOR'S STAFF. CRAZY THAT WE ARE PAYING PEOPLE ABOVE $200,000 AND $150,000 WHEN THE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY ARE SUFFERING ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ARE PLAYING POLITICS AT TAXPAYERS' EXPENSE. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU. IS THAT IT ON ON -- >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WAS WAITING FOR THE NEXT TOPIC. >>LUIS VIERA: I HAVE A COUPLE OF THEM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ONE AT A TIME. >>LUIS VIERA: ONE PIECE AT A TIME. COUPLE OF THINGS. SOME MAY BE QUESTIONS. SOME ARE NOT. ONE IS -- I KNOW COUNCILMAN CARLSON WILL CHEER THIS ON THAT WE ARE IN THE CRA ARE DOING DISABILITY EQUIPMENT IN THE CRA PARKS AND WE SHOULD PUT INVESTMENTS IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET IN SOUTH TAMPA AND NORTH AND NEW TAMPA, TARGETED OF $2 MILLION TO $ MILLION. OBVIOUSLY I CAN'T A MOTION AT THIS TIME -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE WILL FOCUS ON PARKS AND REC RIGHT NOW THEN. >>LUIS VIERA: DO I HAVE ANY OTHER PARKS? DO I? NOT REALLY. OKAY. THAT IS FINE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HIT PARKS AND REC. >>LUIS VIERA: I HIT PARKS INADVERTENTLY. SOMETHING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT, OUR DISABILITIES ACCESS TO OUR PARKS AND SOMETHING I KNOW WE ARE ALL IN SUPPORT OF, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE PLACES OUTSIDE OF THE CRA THAT DON'T BENEFIT DIRECTLY FROM THE CRA, THEY DON'T GET THAT. NEW TAMPA HAS THE ALL ABILITIES WORK AND EVERY PARK SHOULD HAVE DISABILITY -- I WANT TO BE CLEAR, DISABILITY ACCESSIBLE EQUIPMENT. ONE EQUIPMENT, PIECE OF WHEELCHAIR EQUIPMENT TO USE FOR OUR GOOD FRIENDS OF SOUTH TAMPA AND NORTH TAMPA, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO DO. AGAIN, WHATEVER THE NUMBER COULD BE, COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TOO MAKE THOSE TARGETED INVESTMENTS THIS YEAR WILL REALLY, REALLY GO A LONG WAY. I AM LOOKING TO SEE ANYTHING OUT HERE, PARK-WISE DISABILITY PROGRAM IS NOT THAT CLENDENIN CONTACT LENSES YOU WANT THE DIRECTOR TO COME -- >>LUIS VIERA: I DON'T NEED ANYBODY TO COME UP FOR THAT. I KNOW PEOPLE WANT TO TALK OF PARKS, BUT FOR CONSISTENCY BUT TO QUOTE SYLVESTER STALLONE, I WILL BE BACK -- HIGH PRESSURE THAT IS A SCREEJOKE. SORRY. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PARKS AND REC. SULPHUR SPRINGS. IN THE E-MAIL I SENT. WILL THIS FALL UNDER THE PARKS AND REC WITH THE BOARDWALK? >>JOHN BENNETT: POOL AND THE BOARDWALK WALK. MAY BE A RELATIONSHIP WITH MOBILITY OF THE BOARDWALK. I WILL HAVE TO TALK TO BRANDON. WHAT WAS GOING TO EARN YOU EARLIER WHEN YOU SAID SULPHUR SPRINGS. SOMETHING FOR THURSDAY TO DO EMERGENCY WORK ON THE POOL. THAT WILL BE ON THE BUDGET THERE. ALSO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT MONEY FOR THE POOL IN THE BUDGET BEYOND THAT. SO RIGHT NOW THEY ARE GOING N TO DO THE SURGICAL LOOK OF COURSE, NOCE AHERE IF YOU NEED TO TALK ABOUT SPECIFICS. THE BOARDWALK WAS TALKED ABOUT THIS MORNING IN OUR STAFF MEETING AND MONEY IN THAT FOR SULPHUR SPRINGS PARK AREA. SO BOTH OF THOSE THINGS WILL BE GET ATTENTION. AGAIN FROM SOMEBODY WHO WORKED SULPHUR SPRINGS FOR AMERICAN, MANY YEARS, THAT POOL SPECIFIC LEAVE AND THE NAVIGATION OF WALKABILITY IS REALLY IMPORTANT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK SULPHUR SPRINGS SAN IMPORTANT ENOUGH ISSUER TO FOCUS ON SULPHUR SPRINGS RIGHT NOW AND MOVE ON TO BROADER PARKS A AND REC. >>BILL CARLSON: CONTINUE PARKS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NAIL IT IN TO SULPHUR SPRINGS AND THE BOARDWALK AND THE POOL. THIS IS IMPORTANT. THE COMMUNITY IS LIKESENING TO THIS. IT IS AN IMPORTANT ONE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS MORE THAN I EXPECTED. WE LOOK FORWARD TO THURSDAY AND THE WORK YOU ARE DOING BEHIND THE SCENES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANYTHING ELSE ON THE SULPHUR SPRINGS POOL? I NOLIN HAS SOMETHING. CARLSON CARE WANT TO TALK ABOUT BE THAT BUT ALSO WITH PARKS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GO AHEAD WITH POOL. >>BILL CARLSON: JUST ON SULPHUR SPRINGS. ASK CHARLIE -- PARKS HAVE PROBABLY BEEN OUT WITH THEM, BUT I THINK -- I THINK SOMEBODY FROM PARKS SHOULD GO OUT WITH HIM AND LOOK AT IT AGAIN. THIS BOARDWALK IS EASILY ACCESSIBLE. HE AND I WALKED ON IT. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE -- IT IS A LIABILITY -- YOU JUST GO AROUND THE TREE. BUT IF WE JUST REDO THE BOARDWALK AND DON'T DO ANY OF THE OTHER BOARDWALK AROUND IT? IT IS GOING TO LOOK OUT OF PLACE AND SOMETHING VERY NICE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE NOT IN A GREAT CONDITION. AND I AGREE WITH FIXING THE POOL. $1.4 MILLION -- 1.8 -- >>JOHN BENNETT: AGAIN, I CAN BRING SAL OR OCEA UP TOP. >>BILL CARLSON: GLAD YOU ARE MOVING FORWARD. HAPPY TO SEE IT ON THE AGENDA AND AT LEAST IT IS MOVING FORWARD. >>JOHN BENNETT: BALANCING EFFECT OF THE SEAWALL, THE POOL AND HOW WE USE OUR WATER SYSTEMS. >>BILL CARLSON: IF WE UPDATE THAT PARK AND SEE ALL OF THAT. REAL ESTATE VALUE AND THE INVESTMENT WILL GO UP EXPONENTIALLY BECAUSE EVERYBODY WILL WANT TO SEE THAT PARK. AN BEAUTIFUL LOAF OCCASION ACROSS THE RIVER AND VERY EXPENSIVE HOUSES. ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS FIX UP THAT HOUSE. AND IF IT IS $20 MILLION, WE WILL GET MORE WITH AD VALOREM TAXES IN THE INVESTMENTS THAT WILL HAPPENED IN THAT COMMUNITY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. ALONG PARKS, I HAD CONVERSATIONING WITH PLEASE DE LA ROSA, A NEARBY THERE AND HE DOES A LOT OF GREAT WORK. I MET WITH HIM AND LOOKING AT TWO TO TWO AND A HALF HOURS OF PARK AT HENRY AND OLA. MINOR THINGS TO BE DONE. TALKED TO THE CITY'S RECREATION CENTER IN CHARGE OF PARKS AND RECREATION AND I DON'T HAVE THAT CONTACT PERSON. IT IS DIVIDED BETWEEN TWO PEOPLE. I WOULD LIKE FOR SOMEBODY -- BECAUSE WE HAD MADE SOME ARRAIGNINGMENTS. AND AT HENRY AND LOCKSA, SMALL THINGS. ONE IS THE -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN WE PUT A PIN IN THAT ONE. WE ARE TALKING OF SULPHUR SPRINGS -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT ONE AND -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK TALK FIRST. >>LYNN HURTAK: $1.8 MILLION ON THURSDAY THAT IS GOING TOWARD THE SEAWALL. I JUST SUVs A REALLY SIMPLE QUESTION, IS THE $3.6 MILLION KNOW NATED HERE FOR POTENTIAL DEBT ISSUANCE A SEPARATE FROM THE $1.8 MILLION ON THURSDAY. >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT CAN BE. WE DON'T KNOW WITH THE STUDIES. >>LYNN HURTAK: NOT $3.6 I HAVE TO TALL. SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT, WHAT, $5 MILLION OR $6 MILLION OF -- $5 MILLION. >>DENNIS ROGERO: STILL MAY. BUT WE JUST DON'T KNOW. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. I THINK MY QUESTION WAS ANSWERED. CHITTENDEN MENDENHALL I APOLOGIZE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER ARE CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: ANYBODY HERE FROM PARKS SNSH. >> OCEA WAS HERE. >>BILL CARLSON: JUST AN IDEA. THE LAND ADJACENT TO SULPHUR SPRINGS SPARK, WE OUGHT TO YOU HAVE SOMEBODY MONITOR IT AND ANY OF THE LAND THAT BECOMES AVAILABLE, WE SHOULD TRY TO ACQUIRE IT. THAT LAND IS VERY VALUABLE AND COULD ADD AN ALL KIND OF ACTIVITY CENTER. THAT BRINGS UP CHIEF OF STAFF -- CHIEF BENNETT, CAN YOU JUST -- I'M NOT ASKING TO YOU RESPOND BUT LISTEN TO THIS IDEA. A CRAZY IDEA. A WELLNESS CENTER AROUND A BUILDING ADJACENT TO THE PARK. IT SHOULD BE AN ACTIVITY CENTER. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS POSSIBLE, BUT WHATEVER -- LOOKS LIKE A BIG INVESTMENT BY THE CITY, BUT WHATEVER POINTS THAT WE CAN MOVE THE WELLNESS CENTER, THAT SPACE WILL BE GREAT AS A ACTIVITY CENTER. WHATEVER INVESTMENT WE HAVE MAKE, AN INTEGRATED PARK BECAUSE SO MUCH POTENTIAL THERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE POOL. IS -- I KNOW THIS IS A THURSDAY DISCUSSION, BUT IN ANTICIPATING OF FUTURE FINANCING NEEDS AND WHAT WE HAVE TO VOTE ON FOR THE BUDGET FOR '26. I AM JUST -- I AM KIND OF GRAVELY CONCERNED THE $1.8 MILLION EXPENDITURE. POSSIBLE TO SPEND $178 MILLION IN A STUDY TO FIND OUT THAT WE CAN'T BUILD A POOL THERE WILL. >>OCEA WYNN: OCA WYN, COMMUNITY AFFAIRS. PART OF THE $178 MILLION TO SEE WHAT IS BAD. AND WHAT REPAIRS NEED TO BE DONE BEFORE WE GO INTO THE CONSTRUCTION. THE FIRST -- A PORTION OF THE $1.8 MILLION IN FACT IS TO DO THE ASSESSMENT. WE DON'T ANTICIPATE SPENDING THE WHOLE 1.8 TO DETERMINE -- TO SEE IF HE IT IS BAD AND PART OF IT IS USED TO SEE WHAT NEEDS TO BE ACTUALLY DONE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WILL CIRCLE BACK AROUND. >>OCEA WYNN: THE SEAWALL REPAIR. AND PART OF THAT IN THE ASSESSMENT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE WILL HAVE SEAWALL REPAIR. SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY FOR A MAYBE WHEN WE MIGHT BE PROJECTING MOVING THAT POOL SOMEWHERE TO THE LEFT OR THE RIGHT OR ADJACENT PROPERTY AND ROGER, A BRAND-NEW FACILITY. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WHAT I WANT TO SAY. THE 1.8 MILLION IS FOR A SEAWALL -- MAINLY FOR A SEA WACALL AND WHAT OTHER THINGS NEED TO BE DONE. BUT THE SEAWALL HAS TO BE DONE REGARDLESS. >>OCEA WYNN: YES. MIRANDA HENRY AND OLA. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DONE FOR THE SULPHUR SPRINGS? RIGHT NOW. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AM READY RIGHT NOW TO FINISH. TWO PARKS, HENRY AND OLA. I HAD SOME CONTACT WITH THE FORMER DIRECTOR OF THE PARKS AND HE WAS ANXIOUSES TO GO THE WAY WE TAB BUCKED. AND I HAVEN'T TALK TO MR. DE LA ROSA SINCE AND THE GENTLEMAN THAT LEFT, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IT. ENTRY WAY AND AT DRIVEWAY FROM THE ROAD AND THERE ARE TWO-DEEP SWALES, LOOK LIKE ON THE SIDE AND WALK IN WITHOUT NO FENCING OR SOMETHING -- SOME KID COULD FALL OFF AND GET INJURED THREE OR FOUR FEET DEEP ON BOTH SIDES. THAT IS ONE OF THE ITEMS WE TALKED ABOUT. IN THE DOG PARK PUTTING THE SHADE IN THE AREA WHERE THE PEOPLE PUT THE DOGS. AND THEY HAVE NOWHERE TO HIDE AND ANOTHER PUN ONE. OTHER ONE AND THE THIRD MOST IMPORTANT ONE, THE EARN TREE INTO THE PARK BECAUSE AN ENTRY GATE WITH NO SYSTEM. AND SOMEBODY COULD BE PUT IT AND THE KID CAN'T LIFT IT UP AND WALK OUT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL OLA? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HENRY AND OLA. CASCADE MAN IN PARK. HISTORICAL VALUE CUE. TWO HALL OF FAMER THAT PLAYED BASEBALL. AL LOPEZ AND TONY LA RUSE SASS. THAT PARK HAS BEEN IN NEGLECTED AND NOW THAT AREA IN YBOR CITY IS COME BACK TO LIFE WITH A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE AND WE OUGHT TO START LOOK AT IT. NOT DOING IT RIGHT NOW BUT AN ASSESSMENT TO PUNT THE PARK THE WAY IT WAS ORIGINALLY COUNTY OLD GRANDSTAND AND THE DIAMOND AND TWO PEEWEE AND ONE ON THE OTHER END HOW IT WAS FOR SOFT BALL, GIRLS SOFT BALL, MEN'S SOFT SOFTBALL, BASEBALL, AROUND CADst CADE IAN IS DOING WELL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN REDDICK, WASN'T HE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE POOL? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE ALL WERE, BUT HE WAS THE ONE LEADING THE CHARGE, YES. I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT ALIVE AND GOING UNTIL WE COME UP WITH SOME UNDERSTAND WHAT TOCK DO WITH CASCADIAN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: VERY GOOD. DID YOU WATCH ALL THOSE NOTES. >>OCEA WYNN: DID NOT CATCH THE NAME OF THE PARK YOU WERE REFERENCING -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HENRY A AND OLA. >>OCEA WYNN: YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: TALKING OF ALL PARKS? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOVED ON TO ALL PARKS. >>BILL CARLSON: SULPHUR SPRINGS, POCKET PARKS ALONG THE RIVER AND PAY ATTENTION TO THOSE TWO I WALKED AROUND SOME OF THEM AND THE LAND WAS UNEASTERN. TO OTHER FASHION AND SOMEBODY ALLUDE TO IT EARLIER BUT WHOLE THREADS ON SOCIAL MEDIA PERFORMS THAT PEOPLE IN SOUTH TAMPA ARE COMPLAINING OF THE PARKS IN SOUTH TAMPA. AND THERE IS A LIMIT OF HOW MUCH WE CAN SAYS THERE IN THE BUDGET. WE KNOW ANECDOTALLY PEOPLE WHO MOVE FROM OTHER CITIES CAME DOWN AND THOUGHT THEY WERE SAVING ON TAXES AND REALIZE THE PARKS, FALLING AWARD, AND THE STREETS WERE FALLING AWARD AND SOME OF THEM LEFT BECAUSE THEIR COMPANIES WOULDN'T LET THEM WORK REMOTELY, BUT OTHERS LEFT BAR BECAUSE THE REASON THE TAXES LOW BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT PAYING FOR ANYTHING. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE -- THAT WE NOT -- THAT WE ARE NOT SPENDING MONEY ON PROJECTS THAT ARE NICES TO HAVE WE GOT TO FIX THE BASICS. PARKS, ROAD. IF TEQUITY PEOPLE GET FED UP, THEY WILL HAVE TO MOVE NO ANOTHER CITY. MANY IN SOUTH TAMPA HAVE HOUSES IN OTHER PLACES. THEY WILL SPEND MORE TIME IN OTHER PLACES BECAUSE THEY DON'T WALKING ON SIDEWALKS THAT ARE FALLING APART AND WALKING IN THE STREET WHEN THE SIDEWALKS ARE FALLING APART. THE PARKS -- PEOPLE WITH FAMILY WHICH IS IS A LOT OF OUR TECH WORKERNESS. THEY ARE REALLY, REALLY ANGRY THAT THE PARKS ARE NOT FIXED, BASIC AMENITIES. AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, IF THE SWINGS ARE BROKEN AND THE KIDS CAN'T PLAY ON THEM WE NEED TO FIX THEM FIRST. AND MAKE SURE THAT IT IS ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYBODY. THERE ARE SOME ACCESSIBLE FACILITIES, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT KIDS FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE. EVERY CHILD NEEDS A CHANCE TO PLAY ON A SWING AND WHATEVER THE OTHER AMENITIES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANYBODY ELSE WITH PARKS IN GENERAL? COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: LOOKING AT THIS NON-AD VALOREM DEBT PROGRAM WHICH I WOULD LOVE TO TALK ABOUT BEFORE WE END TODAY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE TO TALK OF POLICE AND ALL THAT FIRST. >>LYNN HURTAK: I KNOW. BUT THIS IS PART OF IT. YOU LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL DEBT ISSUANCE, PUBLIC SAFETY -- BASICALLY $100 MILLION OF THIS. AND THE RESTS THAT INCLUDE PARKS AND REC ARE NOT EVEN 38 MILLION. WE NEED TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AND SEE HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE WE WEAKABLY DISTRIBUTE THAT A BIT MORE. D EQUABLY DIRECT MORE. I WOULD LOOK AT CAPITAL FUND FOR PARKS OOVPS INS-- AND WE KIND O NEED TO TALK OF THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GOOD AND BEST. AND I THINK SOMETIMES GOOD IS GOING TO HAVE TO DO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: GOODER. >>LYNN HURTAK: JUST PUTTING OUT THERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET ME KIND OF SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THIS TOO. AGAIN I AM GOING TO TRIPLE DOWN AS COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA PROPOSED AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON SAID HE SUPPORTED AND I DO AS WELL. OUR PLAYGROUND IS ACCESSIBLE WITH SOME EQUIPMENT WHEN A CHILD FWHAUKS A PLAYGROUND, THEY DON'T FEEL EXCLUDED. IMPORTANT FOR A HEALTHY, VIBRANT CITY TO HAVE SOMETHING SUCCESSFUL. I DON'T WANT SEE THE DISAPPOINTMENT ON THE PLAYGROUND WHEN THEY CAN'T PARANORMAL WITH THE OTHER KIDS. GIVES ME GOOSE BUMPS THINKING ABOUT IT. SOMETHING THAT IS IMPORTANT TO ME AS WELL. ANOTHER THING GREEN SPACE OPINION I KNOW THEY PROBABLY MOSTLY CRA BUSINESS, BUT PARKS AND REC WILL BE INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN THIS. CHANNELSIDE AND GREEN SPACE. FOR MISS FEELEY, PROPERTY ACQUISITION, AN ENSURING THERE IS SO -- WE HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB OF DEVELOPING CHANNELSIDE AND HAVEN'T DONE SECURING AND ENSURING THAT THERE IS GREEN SPACES IN CHANNELSIDE. WHERE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO BE AGGRESSIVE AND ENSURE THAT WE HAVE A SPACE THERE. FAMILY AND KIDS THERE TO HAVE GREEN SPACE TO PLAY AND COOLING. AREA TO COOL DOWN IN AND SOMETHING TO FOCUS IN. FOR THIS 2026 BUDGET, LOOK AT THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND LOOK AT THE CRA WHAT WE CAN DO IN CHANNELSIDE FOR ALL THE DEPARTMENTS THAT WILL BE INVOLVED IN THIS. I DON'T KNOW BEEN WHO WAS FIRST. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: DID WE PIVOT TO PUBLIC SAFETY OR PARKS? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ARE STILL ON PARKS. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHILE SITTING HERE, THE ADMINISTRATION HAS MADE IT CLEAR IN PRIOR YEARS AND HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING THIS YEAR AND I THINK THAT IS VERY NICE TO THEM, BUT I KEEP TRYING TO BRING EVERYTHING BACK TO THE BUDGET. THIS IS NOT OUR TIME TO ASK WHAT WE WANT. THEY ALREADY GIVEN US THE BUDGET. OUR TIME TO MOVE THE MONEY AROUND. WE ARE THE ONES DOING IT. WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DEPARTMENTS TOP DO THIS FOR US. WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING THE WORK. THINGS I AM TRYING TO ASK ABOUT ARE SPECIFIC NUMBERS. I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE WANT DIFFERENT THINGS. NOT WHAT THIS CONVERSATION IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT. I CAN SEE WHERE WE START WITH THAT, BUT QUITE FRANKLY WE ARE THE ONES MOVING MONEY AROUND. THE QUESTIONS WE ARE ASKING SOMETHING ABOUT HAVING MONEY AND WHERE TO PUT THAT. THE ONUS IS ON US NOW TO MOVE THE MONEY AROUND. THE ONUS IS NOT -- THEY ARE NOT DOING THIS ANYMORE, THIS IS OUR BUDGET. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YOU ARE NOT WRONG, BUT I THINK THAT IS THE HAM THEIR COMES DOWN IN THE HEARING, BUT RIGHT NOW WORKSHOP -- OBVIOUSLY THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS ARE THE FOR EXAMPLE STANDING UP BEHIND US AND THE PE PEOPLE HAVE BUDGETS. IN THIS WORKSHOP THE WANTS, NEEDS AND DESIRES. THEY CAN COME BACK TO US. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS THE POINTS AND THE ADMINISTRATION MADE THAT CLEAR IN PREVIOUS -- THEY ARE NOT GOING BACK TO MOVE THIS MONEY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT'S A HAMMER. >>LYNN HURTAK: I AM SAYING WE NEEDED TO HAVE A WORKSHOP PRIOR TO THE BUDGET AGED DON'T REMEMBER SIT DOWN WITH STAFF THIS YEAR TO TALK ABOUT THINGS I WANTED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DID NOT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I DIDN'T EITHER. I THINK THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE TO BUILD THAT IN. BUT AS WE ARE TALKING BEING THIS, I HOPE EVERYONE IS MAKING NOTES WHERE TO FIND THIS MONEY BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING NOW. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I ASKED MISS COPESKY TO DO FOR US. DOCUMENT THIS AND HAVE -- HIGH TEMPERATURE HURTAK I JUST W-- >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST WANT TO REITERATE. IT IS OUR TURN TO MOVE THE MONEY. >>JOHN BENNETT: JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF. I WANT TO PUT A FOOTNOTE IN THE PARKS CONVERSATION. GEO SPATIAL VIEWER FOR ALL PARKS AND A CATEGORY THERE FOR DISABILITY-FRIENDLY. FOR THE PUBLIC -- I WANT TO SAY FOR THE PUBLIC'S SAFE. GO TO OUR GIO AREA, AND LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE PARK AND IT WILL TELL IF YOU IT HAS EQUIPMENT THAT IS DISABILITY-FRIENDLY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ONE AT A TIME BUT WILL BE NICE TO HAVE THEM 100%. >>BILL CARLSON: IT IS GOOD INFORMATION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT IS GOOD INFORMATIONING. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID IS TECHNICALLY ACCURATE. SHE AND I WERE BOTH ON THE CHARTER REVIEW. SHE WAS THE SPOKESPERSON FOR THE CHARTER REVIEW AND SHE CAN REMEMBER WE CAN PUT SOMETHING IN BUDGET, BUT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE ADMINISTRATION WILL SPEND THE MONEY. WE KNOW FROM STATION 24 FROM THE INCREASE IN THE ROAD BUDGET, FROM THE HOUSING MONEY WE SET ASIDE IF THE ADMINISTRATION DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT, WE SLOW WALK AND HAVE MONEY FOR NEXT YEAR. THE REASON WHY I WOULD ASK THEM IS BECAUSE TO SOME EXTENT WE NEED TO AGREE AND THE BUDGET WILL BE ALLOCATED AND SITTING THERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JUST TO WRAP THIS UP -- YOU WANT TO SAYING ON PARKS AND REC. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO SAY THIS. THEY ARE UNDER ADMINISTRATION BUT CITY EMPLOYEES. WITH THE 2 MILLION. I SAID WHAT ARE YOU WORRIED AB ABOUT. NO LONGER IN CHARGE OF THE BUDGET, WE ARE. THEY ARE. THEY CAN FACILITATE FROM COUNCIL. THEY MAY NOT LIKE IT BUT EMPLOYEES OF THE SYSTEM. >>BILL CARLSON: TO WRAP THUMB, ASK MESS COPESKY. NOT A CONSENSUS TO FILL IN THE GAP FOR ACCESSIBLE EQUIPMENT. ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN REACH A CONSENSUS ON WITH THE DISCUSSION WE JUST HAD OF PARKS AND REC OR IOU THAT IS WOULD COME BACK? COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD LIKE FOR MISS COPESKY TO TALK OF ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT WHICH IS PARKS WHICH IS SORT OF OUR RECOVERY FROM MILTON HAS BEEN TREES. I KNOW TWO VERY IMPORTANT TREES TO ME BOTH CAME DOWN IN A WEEK'S TIME JUST LAST WEEK AND VICTIMS OF MILTON AND JUST TOOK A LITTLE BIT LONGER -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WAKENED. >>LYNN HURTAK: YEAH, THEY WEAKENED. AS WE GO FORWARD, ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IS EXPANDING OUR -- OUR TREE TRIMMING AND THE PEOPLE TO HELP WITH THAT AND WILL ROLL INTO PUBLIC SAFETY AND I DO RIDE-ALONGS WITH FIRE. ONE OF THE THINGS -- THE BUCKET TRUCKS THEY HAVE WITH THE FRONT BUCKET. THOSE BUCKETS RUN INTO TREES ALL THE I'M. DRIVER HIMSELF GETS FINED FOR THAT. OUR SPOFBLT TO TRIM THOSE TREES. QUITE FRANKLY IT IS PUBLIC SAFETY. I KNOW THE CHIEF IS TRYING TO GET MORE LOW-PROFILE FIRE TRUCKS BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BUY NEW FIRE TRUCKS. CHEAPER SWAY TO TRIM TREES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A LOT OF TREES. >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT, FIRE TRUCKS GO FOR A GOOD $1 MILLION WITH THOSE NOW. I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN PROBABLY COME UNDER $1 MILLION TO MAINTAIN OUR TREES. SO I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO IN TERMITES OF FREE MAINTENANCE FOR NOT ONLY THE FIRST RESPONDERS BUT THE GENERAL PUBLIC. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I A QUESTION ABOUT THAT? >>LYNN HURTAK: YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DO WE HAVE A DEDICATED STAFF THAT DOES NOTHING BUT TRIM TREE AS SOON AS. >>OCEA WYNN: YES, WE DO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IS THAT? >>OCEA WYNN: I WILL HAVE COME BACK WITH THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THEIR ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES. SEVERAL STAKEHOLDERS WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THE COMPONENTS OF TREE AND EQUIPMENT. I WILL HAVE TO COME BACK YOU WITH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OBVIOUSLY THE NEEDS ARE GREAT AND RESOURCES ARE FEW CONSIDERING THE SIZE OF THE CITY AND THE NUMBER OF TREES. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THAT DEPARTMENT TO GET THEM MORE EQUIPMENT AND POSSIBLY MORE MAN POWER OR PERSON POWER BUT REALLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IN TERMS OF SAFETY FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY PERSPECTIVE AND JUST -- WE HAVE ALL SEEN THE TREE COMING DOWN. ABSOLUTELY HEARTBREAKING. ALONG WITH THAT IS TREE PLANTING A DIFFERENT SITUATION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THIS A STAT CONSTITUTES QUO BUDGET AND DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY INCREASES FOR TREE TRIM SOMETHING IN. >>OCEA WYNN: THAT'S CORRECT. >>LYNN HURTAK: SOMETHING TO LOOK FOR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>BILL CARLSON: NO. >>LUIS VIERA: YES, THANK YOU. ONE THING FOR HAGARR TO DO, FINDING FUNDS FOR THE DISABILITY PARK EQUIPMENT IMPROVEMENT. AND I MENTIONED SOUTH TAMPA AND NORTH AND NEW TAMPA. SULPHUR SPRINGS OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T HAVE A CRA THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF NORTH TAMPA, BUT JUST REALLY ANYWHERE THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE CRA AREAS. NEW TAMPA, NOT A PRIORITY BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE ALL ABILITIES WORK THAT IS WONDERFUL. BUT POTENTIALLY MORE IN SOUTH COMPANY, PARTS OF NORTH TAMPA, FOWLER, BUSCH, SULPHUR SPRINGS VERY SPRINGS. AND IN THAT RECORD. I HAVE A QUESTION, MR. CHAIR, CAN I SPEAK BRIEFLY ON THE INTERNSHIP SINCE -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY -- >>BILL CARLSON: JUST TO BE CLEAR ON CONSENSUS. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS -- BUT WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THE ABILITIES PARK. PARKS ARE FALLING APART IN SOUTH TAMPA THEY ARE FALLING APART EVERYWHERE, MY CONSTITUENTS BECAUSE THEY PAY A LOT OF MONEY IN TAXES, THEY REMIND US EVERY DAY, FALLING APART AND THE CITY IS BUILDING ADDS 80 MILLION PARK WITH INTEREST. WE NEED EQUITY THROUGHOUT THE CITY. SPENDING $80 MILLION IN ONE PARK DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. PEOPLE ARE WONDERING WHY ARE OUR PARKS FALLING APART. BASED ON SOCIAL MEDIA OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAY, A HUGE PROBLEM AND COULD HAVE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN HERE AND THE ADMINISTRATION HAS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS THE PARKS IN SOUTH TAMPA. IN SOUTH TAMPA, THEY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN LEFT BEHIND AS THE THE MAYOR WORKED WORKED ON PET PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WE GOT ADDRESS THEM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: C.I.T. -- MR. ROGERO, WHEN IS C.I.T. WILL KICK IN AND SEAT REVENUE. >>DENNIS ROGERO: DECEMBER OF NEXT YEAR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOW MUCH OF THIS IS INCORPORATED IN PARKS AND REC. >>DENNIS ROGERO: ONLY THE EXISTING COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ALL WILL HAVE TO BE APPROPRIATED FOR -- >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TAX STARTS IN DECEMBER OF '26. UNBUDGETED REVENUE AT THIS POINT? >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT IS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AS WE SEE MONEY ROLL IN, WE CAN APPROPRIATE THAT REVENUE. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YOU CAN. AND IN FACT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO NEXT YEAR DURING BUDGET PROCESS. WE HAVE A LIST OF PARTICULAR AREAS A REQUIREMENT OF THAT TAX. PARKS AND RECREATION, MOBILITY, ETC. BUT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE DO IS START APROP YAPTIRIATINGING THAD OF TIME TO THE DATE WHERE WE ARE ACTUALLY ARE LOOKING AT THE REF NUFR CLENDENIN AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CARLSON. WE HAVE A LOT OF PARK PROPERTY. POCKET PARKS, SMALL PARKS. JEWELS THAT WE COULDN'T ACQUIRE IF WE TRIED TO TODAY. WE HAVE NOT HAD THE HEAVY REVENUE TO YOU MAINTAIN THESE THINGS. ALL THESE PARKS OVER THE CITY OF TAMPA. PARK NEAR THE ALDI ON SWANN. WE HAVE THESE GREAT PIECES PROPERTY THAT WE -- NICE TO BE ABLE -- SOMEBODY COULD GIVE COUNCIL THAT LIST OF WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PROPOSALS FOR THE PARKS, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. >>BILL CARLSON: TWO OTHER QUICK THINGS. ESSENTIAL FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THINK THAT EVERYBODY IN SOUTH TAMPA IS RICH. NOT EVERYBODY. WE HAVE PEOPLE BELOW THE POVERTY LINE, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY, VERY WEALTHY AND INVESTING IN BUSINESSES, CREATING WEALTH AND WE WILL LOSE THEM. THEY DON'T WOULD BE A NO PLACE WHERE IS THE KIDS DON'T GO TO THE PARKS. TONY MULKEY WAS OUTSTANDING AND WORKING CLOSELY WITH ME. WE WERE GOING REQUEST PARKS AND VISIT PARKS AND VISIT PEOPLE AND ALL THAT INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY IS GONE OPINION WHOEVER YOU APPOINT TO TAKE MISS PLACE, I AM HAPPY TO TAKE THEM AROUND AGAIN. WE LOOK AT THE PEOPLE AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO SEE HOW THE COMMUNITY INTERACTS WITH THESE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA AND MANISCALCO AND GOING BACK -- >>LUIS VIERA: GOING BACK WITH PARKS. I WILL TOUCH ON THIS, IF I MAY, WE HAD A PARKS MASTER PLAN AND I CAME UP WITH THE PUBLIC SAFETY MASTER PLAN, BY THE WAY. BUT DID A PARKS MASTER PLAN. A REAL MASTER PLAN. BIGGER THAN THE BIBLE. AND WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT FOR SOME OF OUR CHALLENGES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS SAID AND I AM SURE WE WOULD FIND UPKEEP THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA AND A LOT OF OUR OLDER PARKS AND IN SOUTH TAMPA. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE IN SOUTH TAMPA AND KNOW THE SAME THING ABOUT THE ROADS AND THE PARKS HAVING CHALLENGES, BUT IS DISTRICT SEVEN IN NEW TAMPA WHICH IS BEING BIGGEST -- I DON'T WANT TO USE THE DETERMINE "DESERT." IT IS NOT A PARK DESERT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE GREAT FRONTIER. >>LUIS VIERA: THE ACLASS OF TAMPA AND THIS IS THE LEAST AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT WHEN IT COMES TO CITY PARKS. WE ARE -- THANK GOODNESS WE ARE DOING THE K-BAR RANCH PARK FINISHING IT UP NEXT YEARP. I ALWAYS SAY ON PARKS, WE NEED HAVE VERY, VERY BIG INVESTMENTS AROUND I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT. WITH REGARD TO THE DISABILITY INTERNSHIP PROGRAM. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, MISS WYNN, THE INTERNSHIP -- THE INTERNSHIP PROGRAM THAT I MENTIONED LAST WEEK THAT THE CITY -- WHERE IS THAT FUNDED FROM? FROM THE SOCIAL ACTION NETWORK OR SOCIAL ACTION SECTION OAR FROM GENERAL BUDGET, GENERAL FUND? >>OCEA WYNN: UNDER THE SOCIAL ACTION AND ARTS FUND. >>LUIS VIERA: NO, THE INTERNSHIP PROGRAM, NOT THE SPECIAL NEEDS ONE, BUT THE OTHER ONE. >>OCEA WYNN: OF THE REGULAR INTERN SHIP. >> UNDER THE GENERAL FUND. >>LUIS VIERA: WHY CAN'T THE SPECIAL NEEDS ONE BE UNDER THE GENERAL FUND TOO? THAT IS MY QUESTION. THAT IS WHY WE NEED TO TREAT KIDS WITH SPECIAL NEEDS THE SAME WAY WE TEACH KIDS IN THAT PROGRAM AND MAKE IT PERMANENT. BY PUTTING IT IN THE SOCIAL ACTION FUNDS WE PUT IT AT RISK EVERY SINGLE YEAR BECAUSE THAT GETS CUT, CUT, CUT. AND THAT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR. COUNCIL, I CAN'T MAKE A ON THAT TODAY. NUMBER ONE, WHEN WE GET THE FUNDS SPEND IT ON INTERNS. PEOPLE WITH INTELLECTUAL DISABILITIES WITH THE CITY TAMPA. AND TWANT TO COM-- WANT IT TO C OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE IF WE PUT IT IN THE BUCKET RIGHT NOW, THAT'S TEMPORARY. TEMPORARY. WE GOT TO MAKE IT PERMANENT. I GETS FRUSTRATED BUT THREE YEARS, 100 DAYS AND WE HIRED TWO INTERNS. I GET TRUST RATED WITH THAT. I WILL SAY TEN SECONDS TO THIS. I WOULD -- I AM JUST PUTTING A WORD IN. YBOR CITY MUSEUM. SOMEBODY HAS TO CHAMPIONSHIP THAT. I GO AT THE TIME IN FOR I 350 AND MY CREDIT CARD MAY BE MAXED OUT THIS YEAR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE VIOLATED OUR RULES AND BROUGHT UP -- >>LUIS VIERA: SORRY, YOU ARE LIKE, DAMN YOU, VIERA. NO, THAT'S IT FOR NOW. PUBLIC SAFETY STUFF. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, WITH WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK JUST REMINDED US OF. IF YOU ARE MANAGING THAT REQUEST OR SUGGESTION, YOU PROBABLY NEED TO COME TO THE TABLE WITH HOW YOU WILL FIND THESE FUNDS AND WHERE TO MOVE THE FUNDS FROM. FYI. BE PREPARED FOR THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITS A QUESTION FOR COUNCILMAN CARLSON BUT HE LEFT THE ROOM, SO I WILL PASS -- I WAS GOING TO ASK -- HE HAD MENTIONEDA IN PEOPLE HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT IN SOUTH TAMPA. WHICH ARE THE PARKS THAT WE HEAR THE MOST ABOUT? BECAUSE I TRY TO GO TO -- I TRY TO TAKE MY STEPDAUGHTER TO PARKS ALL OVER THE CITY. AND WE SEE A COUPLE LITTLE THINGS SO I KNOW PRIORITY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TWO HIGH-PROFILE ONES. SWANN CIRCLE AND THE PARK NEXT TO THE FORMER WINN-DIXIE N NOW ALDI ON SWANN IS TWO. OTHERS. POCKET PARKS IN THESE TRAFFIC CIRCLE AND INNER BAY. COUNCILMAN CARLSON. COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. HAD A QUESTION FOR YOU. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I AM NOT ON NEXT DOOR AND OTHER PLATFORMS -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: OH, YOU ARE MISSING OUT. [LAUGHTER] >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHICH PARKS ARE PEOPLE COMPLAINING THE MOST OF? FOR EXAMPLE, RIVER CREST IN SOUTH SEMINOLE HEIGHTS. AND THE VILA BROTHERS, WE DISCUSSED THAT YEARS AGO. DO YOU FIND THE MOST COMPLAINTS. I TRY VISIT THE PARKS WITH MY FAMILY. SWANN MENTIONED AND INTERBAY. >>BILL CARLSON: INTERBAY. CAN WE ASK STEPHANIE. A WHOLE STRING LAST NIGHT THAT -- I DON'T KNOW IF STEPHANIE IS ALLOW TO TALK ABOUT IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: CAN SHE FORWARD THAT TO ALL OF US? >> NO. >>OCEA WYNN: OCEA WYNN NEIGHBORHOOD OF COMMUNITY AND NEIGHBORHOOD AFFAIRS. WHAT DO YOU BASED ON THE MASTER PLAN, WE PRIORITIZE THOSE PARKS. BUT MAY BE SOME PARKS THAT HAVE RISEN TO THE OCCASION THAT WE NEED TO REPRIORITIZE AND MOVE AROUND. SO YOU HAVE A LIST, WE CAN JUST MAP THAT LIST AGAINST WHAT IS COMING DOWN THE PIPELINE WITH WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN THE POCKET AND DO AN ASSESSMENT. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WHAT I TRY TO DO IS, AGAIN, I HAVE A 13-YEAR-OLD. SHE LOVES TO GO TO THE DIFFERENT PARKS. SHE LOVES VILA BROTHERS AND DURANT AND RIVERSIDE PARK, SHE LOVES MacFARLAND PARK. EVERY WEEK WITH SUMMER BREAK, MY WIFE IS TRYING TO TAKE HER TO AS MANY NEW PARKS AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE SHE GOES SCHOOL IN SOUTH TAMPA. AND I TRY TO PHOTOGRAPH IF A PERCH IS MISSIONED UP -- FOR EXAMPLE, THE RIVERWALK, PARK AT CURTIS HIXON. THE FAKE GRASSD THEY REDID THAT THE OTHER DAY. OVERALL, CITY STAFF, PARKS AND RECORD ARE GOOD AT REPAIRING. WHICH ARE THE FIRST PARKS. AND MAKING AFFAIRS AND IMPROVEMENTS. >>BILL CARLSON: I WAS NOT TRYING TO BE COY, GROUPS ON MIND WHERE MEMBERS SAY THEY ARE NOT SAYING WHAT IS GOING ON. BUT I WILL GET AN INDICATION OF IT. OCEA, SOMETHING THAT -- MOBILITY AND STORMWATER HAVE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE AT TAMPA..GOV. SO YOU AND I DON'T GET 100 OR 200 E-MAILS. SOME DENETIC PARKS NUMBER. >>OCEA WYNN: OUR CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE NUMBER TOMORROW THAT -- THAT USED TO -- THAT REPLACED OUR CUSTOMER COMPLAINT -- OUR CITIZEN COMPLAINT LINE. WE HAVE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE NUMBER. >>BILL CARLSON: IS THERE AN E-MAIL? >>OCEA WYNN: TAMPA CONNECT. I WILL GET IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL MINUTES TO GIVE OUT CORRECT INFORMATION. AND SO THAT YOU CAN SEND IT OUT TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS. >>BILL CARLSON: ANYBODY WATCHING GOOGLE FEEDBACK ON PARKS. WE ARE TRYING TO GET MEMBERS OF THE GROUP TO PUT THE E-MAIL OUT OF THE SO WE DON'T END UP HAVING TO FORWARD HUNDREDS E-MAILS. >>OCEA WYNN: THAT IS GREAT. SOME OF THE ASSETS MAY FALL WITHIN PARKS AND RECREATION AND MAY BE ANOTHER DEPARTMENT AS WELL. ONE CENTRAL POINT THROUGH TAMPA CONNECT WILL ANOW US TO ACCESS -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE AN HOUR AND 45 MINUTES LEFT AND HAVEN'T COVERED POLICE, FIRE AND CONSTRUCTION SERVICES. MAY WANT TO CONSIDER RESCHEDULING ONE OF THOSE. WITH THAT BEING SAID, ONLY AN HOUR AND 45 MINUTES LEFT. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO SAY I CANNOT TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES MY OFFICE HAS SENT THE PARKS MASTER PLAN OUT TO PEOPLE. SO I WANT TO JUST AGAIN HIT ON THAT. BECAUSE NOT THE MASTER PLAN THAT YOU WANT, IT IS THE ANNEX. THE ANNEX SHOWS EVERYTHING THAT IS PLANNED FOR EACH PARK. AND SO I OFTEN SEND PEOPLE THERE FIRST. PEOPLE HOE HAVE QUESTIONS OF A SPECIFIC PARK. THAT WAY WHEN THEY DIRECT THEIR CONCERN, THEY CAN ABSOLUTELY SAY, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE BE THIS ADDRESSED BEFORE THAT BUT SINCE IT IS NOT ON THEIR LIST, SOMETHING ELSE TO KNOW. IT GIVES PEOPLE ADDITIONAL HELP AND ALSO INCREDIBLY HARD TO READ BECAUSE THE FONT IS INCREDIBLY SMALL. IT IS OVER, I WANT TO SAY, I 50 PAGES OR 200 PAGES OF JUST THE ANNEX. SO TINY THAT EVEN BLOWING IT UP, IT GETS TO -- I JUST WANTED TO SAY. THAT IS ALL I WANTED TO PUNT THAT OUT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANYTHING ELSE ON PARKS AND REC BEFORE WE HAVE MOVE ON. WHAT WOULD COUNCIL LIKE DISCUSSION FIRST, POLICE, FIRE, CONSTRUCTION SERVICES. >>LYNN HURTAK: IF YOU WANT TO START WITH FIRE. I WILL LOOK AT IT HOLISTICALLY. AND YOU LOOK AT ANTICIPATED NON-AD VALOREM DEBT PROGRAM WHICH IS WHERE ALL YOU HAVE THIS IS COMING. I BELIEVE SOME OF THIS IS COMING TO US ON THURSDAY. CHIEF BENNETT HAS REACHED OUT TO ME TO HAVE A MEET BEING THE HOWARD AVENUE ANNEX AND I AM STRUGGLING FOR $40 MILLION FOR EVIDENCE STORAGE. MY POINT IS -- AND I WOULD LOVE IF EVERY BUILDING WE CAN BUILD AND PUNT THE STATE OF THE ART STUFF AND WE ARE NOT AT THAT POINT ANY LONGER. AS MR. CARLSON POINTED OUT, I FEEL -- I ALSO FEEL WE ARE HITTING SOME TYPE OF DEBT LIMIT. I DO NOT WANT WANT TO BOND FOR MUCH MORE. I AM CURIOUS, WHAT TIMES OF THING WE CAN BUILD AND BUILD TO BE GOOD. NOT, YOU KNOW, EXCEPTIONAL. AND THAT IS PROBABLY A HARD THING TO SAY, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT WE CAN FIX UP A HOWARD AVENUE EVIDENCE FACILITY WOULDN'T IT BEING 40 MILLION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I WILL VOTE AGAINST IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: AGAINST WHAT I SAID IN. >>BILL CARLSON: AGAINST THAT EVIDENCE ROOM. SOMETHING TO ME THAT IS NICE TO HAVE BUT WE DON'T NEED IT. WHAT THE POLICE OFFICERS TELL ME, WANT MORE FIRE FIGHTERS. WHAT FIRE FIGHTERS SAY, THEY WANT MORE FIRE FIGHTERS. WE CAN'T BOND TO HIRE PEOPLE, BUT WE HAVE TOE FOCUS ON WHAT IS IMPORTANT, NOT WHAT A WE WANT TO HAVE. YOU KNOW, THERE IS ALL THAT KIND OF NASTY POLITICS GOING ON. IF YOU VOTE AGAINST SHOT SPOTTER, SOMEBODY SAYS YOU ARE ANTI-POLICE. I WAS SOMEBODY THAT BE FOUGHT HARD TO GET RAISES FOR POLICE AND FIRE AND FAOUGHT HARD OF OTHER FUND US. AND SEVERAL PRIORITIES WE NEED TO FOCUS ON AND PBA THREE YEARS AGO ASKED FOR 200 MORE POLICE OFFICERS AND WE DIDN'T GET ANY ESSENTIALLY. POLICE OFFICERS AND FEVERS FEEL LIKE THEY ARE OVERWORKED. WE ADD NUMBERS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GETTING TRAINED, BUT IN EFFECTS, THEY ARE REING THE PEOPLE WHO WILL ARE LEAVING AND THE NET IS THE THEY ARE NOT REALLY INCREASING. AND OUR POPULATION HAS INCREASED AND WE ARE NOT GETTING MORE PEOPLE AND THE PUBLIC WANTS TO BE SAFE. THEY WANT TO FEEL LIKE THEY ARE COVERED. IN CASE OF THE EMERGENCY, THEY WANT TO FEEL FEEL'S LIKE THEY HAVE A HEART 'TACK THAT TFL MOVING QUICKLY. AND AGREEMENT THAT POLICES ARE PATROLLING. AND THEY HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE HARD-WORKING MEN AND WOMEN OF PUBLIC SAFETY. THEY WANT US TO INVEST INFORM MORE PEOPLE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK NEXT. >>LUIS VIERA: I CAN WAIT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: AND THIS IS NOT A CONVERSATION I NECESSARILY WANTED TO HAVE THE CHIEF RIGHT NOW. I KIND OF WANTED TO HAVE IT WITHIN OURSELVES OF -- EVERY DEPARTMENT HEAD WILL COME US TO AND SAY WE NEED THIS. THAT IS LITERALLY WHAT WE HAVE GOTTEN FOR EVERYTHING. BUT IT IS UP TO US TO DETERMINE WHAT IS POSSIBLE ONLY 20 MILLION. WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH US IN TERMS OF THIS EVIDENCE STORAGE FACILITY. BECAUSE I AM NOT FOLLOWING GO OVER 20 MILLION PERIOD RIGHT NOW. IF WE WANTED TO ADD THINGS TO IT, LITTLE BY LITTLE EVERY YEAR. AS WE LOOK AT THIS ANTICIPATED DEBT -- THE REASON I AM STARTING WITH POLICE IS BECAUSE FIRE, I THINK HAVE A DIFFICULT DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF BUILDING BUILDINGS. AND THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY, WE STILL HAVE -- WE STILL HAVE BIG BLUE, AND IT IS MOSTLY EMPTY I AM REALLY STRUGGLING HOW WHICH PUT $40 MILLION INTO SOMETHING THAT QUITE FRANKLY COULD BE $20 MILLION TO GET IT STARTED IF THIS IS WHAT THEY SAY THEY. I AM JUST CURIOUS OF EVERYONE ELSE'S OPINION BEFORE WE ASK DEPARTMENT HEADS. BECAUSE, AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE EVERYONE WILL SAY THEY WANT THE BIGGEST AND BEST. I DON'T REGRUDGE THAT, BUT WE ARE THE PURSE HOLDER. CARLSON DON'T FORGET 40 MILLION IT WILL BE BONDED THAN IT WILL BE $70 OR $80 MILLION. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT CAN WE DO INCREMENTALLY. >>BILL CARLSON: THE MAYOR HAS SCRIPTS FOR HER VIDEO IN THE NEXT YEAR AND A HALF. SOMETHING THAT SHE SHOULD HAVE OUT IN OF HER SCRIPT. ESSENTIAL AND NICE TO HAVE BEFORE YOU WITH HE NEED MORE POLICE OFFICERS ON THE STREET. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COUPLE OF THINGS FOR THAT. I HEARDED PBA. THEIR PREFERENCE -- I TWO LIKE TO INQUIRE WITH THEM. THEY ARE NOT HERE, I DON'T THINK, WITH THEIR POSITION ON THIS. MY BIGGEST THING IS CHAIN OF EVIDENCE ISSUE IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. OBVIOUSLY WHEN POLICE ARE CUSTODIANS OF PIVOTAL EVIDENCE IN CRIMINAL CASES INVOLVING FROM SMALL OFFENSES TO TERRIBLE TRAGIC OFFENSE WHERE IS YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN VICTIMMIZED AND BRUTALIZED. AND THEIR RICE RADLY CHANGED YOU WILL HAVE CHAIN OF EVIDENCE QUALITY THERE. OBVIOUSLY TRUST THE POLICE FOR THAT. I WANT TO TALK -- WHEN I SAY THAT BECAUSE COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON. THAT -- TRUST POLICE. I WANT TO BE CLEAR I TRUST POLICE. IF SOMEBODY IS FILMING THIS FOR A VIDEO. YOU KNOW POLITIC. THAT WASN'T MEANT. THIS THAT REGARD. I F CHIEFS WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT THAT IS GREAT, THE GUN ISSUE WITH THE PBA OF WHERE THE FUNDS ARE GOING TO COME AND FUNDED THIS YEAR IN THE MENTAL HEALTH UNIT, SOMETHING THAT IS, LIKE, A BIG DEAL. I KNOW WE ALL BELIEVE IN THAT. THAT IS A GREAT FLAG WE REALLY OUGHT TO BUILD ON THAT REALLY HELPS TO DEESCALATES THINGS AND PREVENT TERRIBLE TRAGEDIES WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY PEOPLE WITH MENTAL HEALTH CHALLENGES AND HAVING THEIR WORST DAY. I DO WANT TO TALK BECOME THAT. IF WE WANT TO OF THE EVIDENCE ISSUE, THAT IS FINE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK ASKED FOR COUNCILNOBODIES EXPRESS THEIR OPINIONS FIRST. COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO? YOU WANT TO SPEAK? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SURE. WITH THE AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR THE HOWARD AVENUE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, IF WE -- IF WE LOOK AT THE LIFESPAN OF BIG BLUE HERE ON FRANKLIN STREET AND TPD GOING TO MOVE AND WANT TO BUILD A NEW HEADQUARTERS, WHY DON'T WE INCORPS RACHT THIS WITH THE NEW HEADQUARTERS OPINION. OF THE EVIDENCE BUILDING WHICH IS MORE THAN THAT GOING TO COST A LOT OF MONEY. HOW MUCH IS A NEW POLICE STATION HEADQUARTERS WILL BE, $1D00 MILLION. WHY DON'T WE INCORPORATE EVERYTHING INTO ONE AND SAVE MONEY IN LONG RUN. SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF MONEY. I KNOW THE PROJECT -- I KNOW THE PARCEL WHERE IT IS AT NOT TO GET INTO TOO MANY DETAILS WHERE POLICE STATION COULD GO. SOMEBODY WILL SAY NO, BUT T THE HANNA AVENUE BUILDING, COULD THAT BE UTILIZED FOR EVIDENCE. IS THERE ENOUGH SPACE IN I DON'T KNOW. SPENDS THIS KINDS OF MONEY WITH A BOND AND THE INTEREST THAT WE PAY, WHY DON'T WE BUILD A NEW INCLUSIVE POLICE HEADQUARTERS AND INCLUDE THAT EVIDENCE SPACE THERE. AND JUST BE ONE AND DONE AND PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, THAT WILL HELP US ABSORB A LOT OF THESE COSTERS INSTEAD OF SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY ON ONE PROJECT. THAT IS JUST MY CONCERN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: JUST LISTENING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING BEFORE I RECOGNIZE THE CHIEF PETITION? >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T DISAGREE AND YOU ARE THE ONE THAT INITIALLY NEW AT BUT THAT WHICH ISN'T A BAD IDEA. THROW A LOT OF MONEY INTO A PLAN OF THIS BUT, AGAIN, OUR THOUGHT IS TO SIMPLY DO SOME OF IT. AND SLOWLY ADD IN AS WE HAVE THE MONEY TO DO SO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IN FULL DISCLOSURE, I HAVE THESE VARIED CONVERSATION WITH THE CHIEF AND THE CHIEF OF STAFF ABOUT SOME OF MY CONCERNS. THEY WERE ABLE TO MITIGATE AND GIVE THE CHIEF AN OPPORTUNITY NOW TO TALK ABOUT -- AND SHARE SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD ABOUT THIS AS WELL. CHIEF, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES YOU HEARD FROM COUNCIL. >>. >>LEE BERCAW: THANK YOU, CHIEF BERCAW. YOU. LAST THING WANT TO DO IS SPEND 40 MILLION AND BOND 40 MILLION. BUT WE ARE GOOD STEWARD OF OUR TAXPAYERS' DOLLARS. AND THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION. WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS YOU BELOW GOOD. IT IS INADEQUATE. WHAT I HAVE MY EVIDENCE ON IN THE SEVENTH FLOOR OF HEADQUARTERS IS INADEQUATE. THIS IS NOT -- IS MORE THAN A NEED, THERE ARE IS A MUST. THAT MUST HAPPEN. I'M HERE TELLING COUNCIL AS CHIEF OF POLICE, THAT THE IMPLEMENT NEEDS THIS. THIS IS A BASIC CORE FOUNDATION. IF IT DIDN'T, IT WOULDN'T HAVE MADE APPROVAL FOR US. IF THERE IS A WAY TO DO IT LESS, WE WOULD DO IT. KRFRMDA.D.'S JOB, I'M SURE THEY WILL COME UP AND SAY NO OTHER WAY TO DO THAT LESS. AND AS FAR AS A FUTURE POLICE STATION, YOU ARE LOOKING AT PLUS $400 MILLION TO DO. THAT ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE THERE OR IN THE OTHER BUILDING WILL COST THE SAME. WE ARE EXPLORING OTHER OPTIONIN OPTIONS THAT MAY HELP US MITIGATE THE COSTS OF A FUTURE POLICE STATION THAT I KNOW NOW IT IS NOT READY FOR DISCUSSION, BUT OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE THAT WILL HELP US MITIGATE THE COST OF A BRAND-NEW POLICE STATION. THE SQUARE FOOTAGE ALL THIS KNEE WITH AND WITHOUT AN EVIDENCE FACILITY IS GOING TO OFF SET AND IT IS NOT THERE. SOMETHING WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN DELAYED BEYOND, AND WE ARE TALKING OF SITUATIONS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS IN WITH SOME OF THEIR FIRE STATIONS NOW. WE CAN NOT LET THIS CONTINUE ON IN THE SITUATION THAT WE ARE IN FOR EVIDENCE. AND I DON'T COME HERE AND I DON'T TALK TO COUNCIL LIKE A AND DEMAND SOMETHING THAT WE NEED. I DO DEMAND THAT YOU GUYS A LEAST DHR CONSIDER THERE ARE STRONGLY THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHEN WE FIRST HEARD OF THIS, CHIEF CATE IS THE ONE THAT BROUGHT IT UP. ED THE EVIDENCE PROCEDURE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA AND I HAVEN'T SPOKEN TO THE CHIEF OR CHIEF CCH CHIEF CATE. AND I NEVER TALKED TO CHIEF CATE OR THE CHIEF OF POLICE REGARDING THIS. I REMEMBER SITTING OVER THERE THAN HERE. REMEMBER LOOKING AT BOTH ITEMS THERE COMPARED TO A CITY IN ORLANDO COMPARED FOR WHAT TAMPA HAS, WE ARE SICKENING BECAUSE OF THAT. LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE -- JUST ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE THAT IS NOTED A MISS IN COURT SOMEBODY COULD WALK WHO WAS A KILLER. HE OR SHE. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU WATCH -- IWATCH A LOT OF TELEVISION, BUT I TELL YOU WHAT, THOSE C.I. GUYS PICK UP ONE HAIR AND MATCH IT WITH THE CIGARETTE THING. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY DO IT, BUT I DO IT. BY WATCH IT -- I FORGOVERNMENT THE NAIL OF THE SHOW. AND -- FORGOT THE NAME OF THE SHOW. HOW THEY CAN MATCH UP EVIDENCE AND CORRECTLY FIND THE PERSON WHO COMMITTED THE CRIME. I DON'T KNOW FINANCE THAT SUPPLY GOAL, BUT MY GOAL TO MAKE THE CITY OF TAMPA EQUAL TO OR NOT BETTER THAN OTHER AGENCIES WE HAD PRESENTING AND CONTROLLING THE EVIDENCE OF THIS CITY. IT IS PARAMOUNT COMPARED TO THE COST OF ONE LIFE THAT MAY BE CONSIDERED UNEXPLAINABLE AND UNTREATED FOR THE PERPETRATOR NOT TO THE GO TO JAIL. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO, CARLSON AND HURTAK. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: REAL QUICK. I GOTTEN A GLIMPSE ON WHAT IS -- SEVENTH FLOOR OF BIG BLUE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE ARE SOME OF THE PHOTOS. GET IT. WHAT WE ARE USING -- THINK OF IT THE SEVENTH FLOOR. WHEN EVIDENCE GOT TORT GO TO THAT BUILDING, HOW MANY PEOPLE TOUCH IT? BEFORE IT GETS TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO, WHEREAS IF YOU HAVE -- A NEW FACILITY OR A NEW -- BE A NEW EQUIPMENT AND THE PROPOSED AND THE CURRENT. WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT YOU CAN HAVE A ROLLS-ROYCE FOR 400,000 OR HAVE A SDRSH A MERCEDES S CLOSE FOR $120,000. BOTH HAVE VERY DIFFERENT AND VERY NICE. $120,000. A $120,000 CAR BUT A VERY NICE VEHICLE. WHAT CAN WE TO DO SAVE TAXPAYER MONEY. NOT JUST $30 MILLION, $40 MILLION. IT IS THAT BONDING. I WANT THE MOST BANG OR FOUR BUCK WHERE YOU CAN -- LOOK AT THIS, I HAVE SEEN THIS. IT'S -- IT IS LIKE AN OLD SCIENCE LABBY ESSENTIALLY. TPD DESERVES BETTER. WHAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS TOP OF THE LINE. WHAT WERE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE WHAT IS THEIR EVIDENCE AND EVERYTHING, IT IS -- IT IS TOP STANDARD. BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD ON A PROJECT OF THIS MAGNITUDE, AND, YES, THE ARGUMENT CAN BE MADE. WE SPEND 40 MILLION IN EAST TAMPA ON A PARK AND $100 MILLION ON A PARK OVER IN HANNAH. MOVING FORWARD, WE CAN'T JUST BOND EVERYTHING. AND I WANT TO KNOW WHAT ELSE CAN BE BROUGHT UP OF A SAVINGS AMOUNT AND AT THE SAME TIME. GIVING YOU A GOOD PRODUCT. SO, AGAIN, I WILL WAIT TO SEE WHEN THAT TIME COMES AND WHATEVER OPPORTUNITIES THERE ARE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: TO BE FAIR TO THE CHIEF, I WAS NOT CONVINCED BY THIS LAST PRESENTATION. TO BE FAIR TO THE CHIEF GIVE HIM AN HOUR IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS -- >>LYNN HURTAK: THURSDAY. >>BILL CARLSON: THURSDAY. LET MINIMUM PRESENT THAT. THE QUESTION TO ME IS NOT JUST WHETHER WE DO THIS OR NOT, WE HAVE A -- BASED AND WHAT WE HEAR FROM POLICE OFFICERS, WE HAVE A DESPERATE NEED FOR MORE POLICE. AND SO -- AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS HOLISTICALLY. WE DON'T HAVE UNLIMITED APARTMENTS OF MONEY. I THINK HE OUGHT TO -- INSTEAD OF ARGUING THE WHOLE THING NOW, LET HIM COME TO WITH THE FIRST SHOT AND DISCUSS IT THEN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DOES HAVE 26 IMPLICATIONS. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: WOULD YOU SAY OUR EVIDENCE IS BAD RIGHT NOW? >> I WOULD SAYS IT INADEQUATE. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE ARE LOSING CASES BECAUSE OF IT. >> INADEQUATE AND LOSES CASES ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. >>LYNN HURTAK: MY QUESTION IS ARE YOU LOSING CASES. >> I WOULD HAVE TO GO RESEARCH IT, BUT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I DON'T KNOW. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT I WILL LOOK FOR ON THURSDAY WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH $20 MILLION. AND, AGAIN, MAYBE A TIMELINE OF -- I SEE BOXES. BOXES ARE OKAY FOR NOW. IF WE CAN GET YOU A NEW FACILITY WITH AIR CONDITIONING AND ALL THAT STUFF SPECIAL, AND THEN AS THINGS GO ON, EVERY -- WE GET $5 MILLION EVERY YEAR AFTER, THAT IS THE KIND OF STUFF I AM LOOKING FOR. LIKE WHAT CAN WE DO WITH $20 MILLION. AND WHAT IS YOUR PLAN GOING FORWARD, $5 MILLION EACH YEAR TO FIX -- TO FILL IT OUT. THAT IS WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR. I AM NOT SAYING NOT TO HAVE IT, BUT HOW CAN WE DO IT INCR INCREMENTALLY TO GET YOU WHAT YOU NEED AND DO IT IN A FINANCIAL ASPECT THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR. I AM NOT SAYING NO TO $40 MILLION. I AM SAYING NO TO BONDING IT IMMEDIATELY. WHAT CAN WE DO WITH 20 AND WHAT CAN WE DO GOING FORWARD AND WHAT I WOULD LOVER TO SEE ON THURSDAY BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE PUBLIC IS LOOKING FOR. PUBLIC WANTS PUBLIC SAFETY AND PUBLIC WANTS A LOT OF OTHER STUFF AND WE HAVE THAT JOB TO BALA BALANCE. >>LEE BERCAW: A GOOD POINT AND CONTINUE TO ADD ON, THE FACTOR IF YOU PUT OFF PIECES AND IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD BE DONE, THEN THE INCREASED COSTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH DELAY IN CONSTRUCTION PART OF THAT EQUATION AS WELL. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT IS, BUT THOSE ARE SMALLER INCREMENTAL BITES WE CAN CHEW. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SO MANY OTHER THINGS. AND I -- I UNDERSTAND. THAT IS I DIDN'T SAID, EVERY DEPARTMENT COMES HERE AND THEY SAY THEY NEED IT. I AM NOT SAYING YOU DON'T NEED IT. I AM SAYING HOW CAN YOU HELP US GET IT TO YOU IN A SMALLER, MORE INCREMENTAL. OBVIOUSLY YOU WILL NEED A BIG CHUNKU CHUNK UP FRONT TO BUILD AND MAKE THE FACILITY SAFE. CAN WE TRANSFER THINGS THERE. WHAT THEN WILL BE YOUR NEXT. WHAT ARE THE THINGS. HOW CAN WE BUILD THE BUILDING AND WHAT ARE THE THINGS NEED TO GO IN IT BY ORDER OF PRIORITY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK WE GOT THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. AND THEN I AM GOING TO SPEAK AND THEN CARLSON AND MIRANDA. >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ONE BURDEN THAT YOU WOULD ALL BEAR ON THURSDAYS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO PRETTY MUCH MENTIONED -- I DON'T KNOW IF I MADE THIS THUMB SAYING, YOU CAN'T CHANGE WHO YOU ARE, BUT YOU CAN CONTAIN YOUR EXCESSES. ANY EXCESSES THAT YOU CAN TRIM. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK IS TALKING ABOUT 20 MILLION, IT BE $38.5, 39, WHATEVER IT IS. SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE IF POSSIBLE TO TALK BECOME THAT ON THURSDAY. BECAUSE, AGAIN, WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO WAS TALKING ABOUT IS COMMON SENSE WHICH IS IF THINGS CAN BE TRIMMED OFF OF IT, BY ALL MEANS, LET'S DO IT. IF EVERYTHING IS CRITICALLY NEEDED TO THE BUSINESS OF PRESERVING EVIDENCE, THEN THAT IS OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THAT FOR ME WOULD BE VERY, VERY COMPELLING VERY COMPELLING AND SDLAG QUESTION CAN BE RESPONSIBLE. TAMING THOSE EXCESSES. SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT FOR THURSDAY. THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: FOR ANYBODY WATCHING FOR THE FIRST TIME, WE HAVE -- I THINK I CAN SPEAK TO EVERYBODY. WE HAVE THE GREATEST RESPECT FOR THE POLICE CHIEF AND ALL THE POLICE OFFICERS OUT THERE. NOW I WILL SPEAK WITH MY OWN VOICE. THE CONTEXT OF THIS IS THAT -- THIS ADMINISTRATION CAME TO COUNCIL LIKE FIVE YEARS AGO AND SAID, WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO HAVE THIS $240 MILLION BUILDING. WE HAVE TO THIS. IT IS JUST -- YOU KNOW, IT -- WE SHOULDN'T LET OUR STAFF WORK IN OTHER PLACES. ONLY WAY WE CAN DO IT BUY OUR OWN BUILDING. WE HAVE TO AND IN HINDSIGHT THAT WAS A TERRIBLE DECISION. THEY CAME US TO INSTEAD OF PAYING $5 MILLION FOR A PARK OR $18. IF YOU INCLUDE INTEREST, IT IS $80 MILLION. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE WEST RIVERWALK. YOU WE JUST HAVE TO HAVE IT. IT COMES FROM THE FACT THAT THE LEADERS OF THE ADMINISTRATION WERE THE HEADS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND USED TO PEOPLE DOING WHAT THEY WANT. UNFORTUNATELY FOR THEM, THIS IS A DEMOCRACY AND PEOPLE HAVE A VOICE AND WE ARE THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PEOPLE. OTHER THING IN THE SOUTH HOWARD. ADMINISTRATION SAID WE HAVE TO HAVE IT. EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT GOING TO WORK A WASTE OF MONEY AND USE IT TO CLEAN OUT OTHER PLACES. BECAUSE THEY WANT IT, PUSH OUT ALL COSTS TO TRY TO GET THIS THROUGH. WHAT OUR JOB IS TO STOP BAD PROJECTS AND STOP WASTE. WHAT I AM QUESTIONING, I AM NOT QUESTIONING THE POLICE OR THE POLICE CHIEF. QUESTIONING THE ADMINISTRATION THAT WANTS TO WIN. BEING RESPONSIBLE CARETAKERS OF THE TAXPAYER MONEY. >>LEE BERCAW: CAN I ADD SOMETHING TO THAT -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MET ME SPEAK AND I WILL LET YOU WRAP THE CONVERSATION UP AND CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION ON THURSDAY. IT IS INTERESTING LISTENING, BECAUSE I ACTUALLY HAD A LONG CONVERSATION OF CHIEF OF STAFF AND CHIEF BERCAW ABOUT THIS VERY ISSUE. A LOT OF THE TALKING POINTS THAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK -- YOU HEARD KIND OF THE SAME CONCERNS I HAD. AFTER HAVING THAT LONG CONVERSATION, WHICH I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO BETWEEN NOW AND THURSDAY, IF YOU NEED IT BETWEEN BOTH INDIVIDUALS, BECAUSE IT WAS PERSUASIVE ENOUGH TO PUSH ME OVER THE 49% TO 51% IN SUPPORT OF. BUT SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT THEY BROUGHT UP TO ME. MY CONCERNS WERE EXACTLY WHAT COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. ONE MORE WAS LAND USAGE BECAUSE IT IS IMUPPOUND AND A PRIME PIE OF PROPERTY AND TO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE WITH THE LAND UTILIZATION. >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT IS MY CONCERN. I KIND OF DID. THAT WAS ASKED AND ANSWERED BECAUSE COUNTRY CENTRAL LOCATION OF THE CITY AND UTILIZATION OF THE POLICE FORCES TO BRING THEIR EVIDENCE TO THAT -- IF THEY ARE IN NEW TAMPA AND HAVE TO TRAVEL TO A LOCATION OR SOUTH TAMPA AND HAVE TO TRAVEL TO A LOCATION, HAVING A CENTRAL LOCATION IS IMPORTANT BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND PRACTICAL WITH THE WORK FORCE. ALSO CHANGE IS MISSING IN THIS CONVERSATION IS NOT JUST WHAT IS HAPPENING INSIDE, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS HAPPENING IN THE BUILDING THAT THEY ARE PLANNING ON RENOVATING BASEBALLS IT IS MULTIFACETED PARCEL WHAT THEY ARE IMPOUNDING HERE. THEN FEBRUARY I THINK THE QUESTIONS ARE ASKED AND ANSWER. BIG BLUE WEATHER BLUE. PARLAYED UNDER ONE BIG PROJECT AND TRYING TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. QUESTIONS WERE ASKED AND ANSWERED AND I ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO REACH OUT AND HAVE THAT KIND OF CONVERSATION AND OBVIOUSLY WITHOUT THAT, WE WILL HAVE THIS CONVERSATION ON THURSDAY. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A BIGGER QUESTION KNOW. WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS DEBT PROGRAM. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO SAY NO TO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I KNOW. >>LYNN HURTAK: YOU REFUSED TO SAY NO TO THE WEST RIVERWALK, TO THE BUILD, REFUSED TO SAY NO TO OTHER THINGS ARE WANTS AND NOT NEEDS. WE GET TO THIS POINT NOW. AND I DON'T -- I DON'T GET ANGRY VERY OFTEN, BUT HONESTLY, WE CANNOT SAY YES TO EVERYTHING. WHICH IS WHY I THINK IN THIS CONVERSATION THE ABILITY TO SAY YES, WE WANT YOU TO HAVE IT AND CAN'T AFFORD IT ALL AT ONCE IS A REASONABLE DISCUSSION TO HAVE. SO FAR I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYBODY SAYING NO TO ANYTHING. THAT BOTHERING ME OVERALL AS A COUNCIL SOMETHING WE CONSTANTLY GET PUSHED BACK -- THEY SAY YOU DON'T SAY NO TO ANYTHING. THE HONESTY IS, THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL SAYS YES TO EVERYTHING. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I THINK WE ARE REALLY GOING TO HAVE A SOLID PUSH BACK OF NO. I AM NOT GOING TO APPROVE THIS AD VALOREM DEBT PROGRAM TOMORROW -- ON THURSDAY. I AM JUST NOT GOING TO DO IT IF THAT IS WHAT WE ARE DOING. THE BUILD GRANT, $16 BE -- $16.68 MILLION, NO, WE DON'T NEED IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EVERY PROJECT IS LOOKED AT INDIVIDUALLY. NOT HOLISTICALLY. >>LYNN HURTAK: EVERY PROJECT IS GREAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: EVERYTHING IS WEIGHED HERE -- >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT IT IS NOT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT IS. >>LYNN HURTAK: IT IS NOT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: LET ME TALK -- CAN I TALK NOW. BRING UP THESE CONVERSATIONS. YOU HAVE ONE PROJECT THAT IS BROUGHT BEFORE COUNCIL. AND EARNING MY VOTE ON SOMETHING. I TALK ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME. A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT, A RETURN ON THIS INVESTMENT. DO I ANTICIPATE WHEN THE CITY SPENDS TAXPAYER MONEY -- NOT OUR MONEY BUT TAXPAYER MONEY ON A PROJECT. DOES IT GENERATE ENOUGH AD VALOREM, REVENUE NEW SOME SORT TO REPAY THE TAXPAYER PLUS MORE PROVIDING JOBS, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, OPPORTUNITY. SO I WEIGH -- I WEIGH THOSE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS TO THAT. PUBLIC SAFETY IS A DIFFERENT ANIMAL. BUT I ALSO -- I ALSO DON'T AGREE AND A LOT OF PUBLIC CRITICISM OF COUNCIL. YOU CAN'T STOP DOING THIS UNTIL WE DO THAT. BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE CITY IS IT IS MULTIFACETED AND WE ARE A JUGGLER. WE HAVE TO KEEP A LOT OF BALLS IN THE AIR. YOU CAN'T JUST CHOOSE WHICH BALLS TO JUGGLE. BALLS ARE THROWN AT YOU WITH PUBLIC SAFETY ALREADY FIRE, POLICE, ROADS, SIDEWALKS. ALL THESE THINGS WE DO AS A CITY. WE CAN'T JUST SAY WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THIS X, Y OR Z TODAY. WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO FIRE. ONLY FOCUS ON POLICE. NOT DO THIS TODAY. BUT FOCUS ON THAT. WITH FY '26 AND FUTURE BUDGETS, WE HAVE TO IS HE SIDE HOW MANY SMALL BITES OF THE APPLE ARE WE GOING TO TAKE TO ACCOMPLISH EVERYTHING. I AGREE. I WAS IN FULL SUPPORT DAMAGE OF A MILLAGE INCREASE DO MORE. I SUPPORTED THAT MILLAGE -- I SEE YOUR FINGERS BACK THERE. I SUPPORTED THAT BECAUSE I RECOGNIZE THE REVENUES ARE NOT SUFFICIENT TO MEET THE NEED OF THE CITY AND THE DEMAND OF THE CITY AND THE DEMANDS THAT PEOPLE EXPECT. WE DIDN'T REASON IS THAT. DIDN'T HAVE THAT REVENUE INCREASE. THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION AGAIN WITH POLICE AND FIRE -- WITH THE FIRE STATIONNESS, NEED FOR NEW FIRE STATIONS. WE HAVE TO BOND THESE THINGS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE REVENUE TO DO IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE ARE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO BOND EITHER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT WILL BE ANOTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: $16.8 MILLION FOR THE WESTERN RIVERWALK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK THE RIVERWALK -- >>LYNN HURTAK: I CAN'T WAIT FOR YOU TO SEE HOW MUCH THUN THAT CREATES -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE WILL SEE HOE IS RIGHT AND WRONG. WE WILL GET TOGETHER IN THE OLD AGE HOME 20 YEARS TO FIGURE WHAT IS RIGHT AND WRONG. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WAS JUST A GIFT TO A DEVELOPER. AGAIN, I WANT TO SAY ONE THING YOU ARE WILLING TO SAY NO TO IN THIS BUDGET. ONE BONDING THING YOU ARE FOLLOWING SAY NO TO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BONDING STUFF. I VOTED AGAINST THE LAST BOND -- I THINK ONLY TWO OF US VOTED AGAINST THAT ONE. >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT YOU APPROVED ALL THE PROJECTS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BECAUSE I SAID WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A GO. PAY GO. I WILL SUPPORT A LOT OF STUFF IF IT IS PAY GO. I GOT A SIGNAL FROM MY RIGHT SOMEONE WANTS TO SPEAK AND I TO SHUT UP. COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T KNOW IF I WANT TO FOLLOW YOU TWO. BECAUSE I DON'T GET MAD AT ALL. I DON'T EVEN GET EVEN. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM NOT BAD. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I KNOW YOU ARE NOT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM FULL OF LOVE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WHEN FROM THE POLICE TO THE RIVERWALK. LET ME EXPLAIN THE RIVERWALK. MORE THAN 50% OF IT IS PAID BY SOMEBODY ELSE. SPECIFICALLY THE BOND GIVEN US TO 20 SOME MILLION FOR THE FEDS SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT ISSUE. YOU CAN'T TUESDAY FOR ANY-- YOU CAN'T USE IT FOR ANYTHING ELSE. WHEN YOU TALK OF PROSPERITY AND THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOTHING HAVE VERY LITTLE. RIVERWALK IS DOING VERY WELL. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU GUY HERE IN 1974 WHEN I SAT HERE AND NOT DAMN THING GOING ON IN THE CITY. NOTHING. NO YBOR CITY. NO DOWNTOWN. THE BUDGET WAS $ 00 MILLION. NOTHING FOLLOWING DO IN TAMPA. NO HOTEL. CONVENTION CENTERS GOING TO HELL. NO CARS. UNDER GRECO ADMINISTRATION, WE GOT 100 AND SOME POLICE OFFICERS HIRED WITH NO MONEY, BECAUSE THEY -- PAID THE FEE FOR THREE YEARS IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. FOR THREE YEARS OF THEIR SALARY. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. BECAUSE I AM GOING BY MEMORY. 06 SOME CARS, IF I REMEMBER, ALL AT ONCE IN SPA GARAGE THAT INOPERABLE. TWO POLICE OFFICERS IN THE CAR BECAUSE WE DIDN'T -- REMEMBER THAT. >>LEE BERCAW: A LITTLE BEFORE MY HAND. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOT THAT OLD. HOW DID WE GET HERE? WE DIDN'T GET HERE BY PAYING CASH. WE DIDN'T HAVE NO CASH. NOT A DAMN THING ABOUT IT THAT WAS NICE. NO DOWNTOWN. NO YBOR CITY. TAMPA THEATRE WAS SAVED ON A 4-3 VOTE FOR $93,000 IS. CONVENTION CENTER -- LUCKILY THE MARRIOTT BUILT HERE. IF NOT IT WOULD HAVE CLOSED DOWN TOO. LOSES MILLIONS EVERY YEAR STRAZ CENTER WAS TURNED DOWN BY THE PUBLIC AND UNDER THE GUIDANCE OF MARTINEZ WHO LATER BECAME GOVERNOR SAID WE ARE GOING TO REBUILD IT -- I WASN'T HERE. I AM NOT TAKING CREDIT. HE WAS HERE AND THEY GOT FUNDING TO GET IT GOING. HOW YOU GOT THE STRAZ CENTER AFTER THE PUBLIC SAID NO. WE TELL HANNA THAT WE DON'T LIKE IT, BUT HELPING PEOPLE. IF YOU NEED SEE SOMEBODY, GO AND PARK FOR FREE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AND SOLAR PANELS, CHARLIE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: TELL YOU OF THE STREETCAR. IT WAS PERFECT WHEN I WAS A KID. WHEN I GOT AN ADULT, I EVIDENTLY JINXED IT AND TOOK THE RAILS OFF IN THE LATE '50s AND TOOK THE TRACK OFF IN THE MID-'60s. NOTHING HERE. NO STREETCAR. NO NOTHING. WE HAD A BUS LINE THAT WORKED PRETTY WELL UNTIL WE TOOK FEDERAL FUNDS AND TAKE SOMEBODY HERE FROM MERE TO WIMAUMA FOR A QUARTER AND BACK. THAT WAS WONDERFUL. THAT CREATED A LOT OF REVENUE. ALL THESE THINGS I REMEMBER. CONVENTION CENTER DOING PRETTY WELL, VERY WELL. LOOK AT THE AQUARIUM. IT WASN'T DOING ANYTHING. BUT BECAUSE THINGS AROUND IT BECAME AVAILABLE, CONVENTION AFTER CONVENTION, BECAUSE VISIT TAMPA BAY WENT OUT AND GOT THEM. WE HAD VOLLEYBALL HERE TWICE. BOLLYWOOD WAS HERE TWICE. LIKE THE THING THEY DOE IN HOLLYWOOD. I WANTED TO SEE IF YOU KNEW IT. AND TWICE -- TWICE, MORE PEOPLE, MORE ACTOR ARE MORE MOVIES CREATED THERE THAN AMERICA AND WOULDN'T KNOW IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CHARLIE, CAN WE WRAP. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE THREE MINUTES. YOU SPOKE 15 TIMES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ONLY HAVE AN HOUR LEFT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO GO IN DEBT TO MAKE PROGRESS. IF WE HAD NOT GONE IN DEBT, WHERE WOULD YOU THINK YBOR CITY WOULD SOMEBODY IN WHAT WOULD YOU THINK DOWNTOWN WOULD BE? TELL ME? WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING. NOTHING. WE HARDLY HAVE BULLETS FOR YOU GUYS TO TRAIN WITH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE HAVE LUIS VIERA -- COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA AND COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. >>LUIS VIERA: VERY BRIEFLY -- I WANT TO ADDRESS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK'S COMMENTS. I WOULD SAY IN LIFE, THERE ARE THINGS ARE BLACK AND WHITE AND GRAY. A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE GRAY AND THEN AFTER-THE-FACT STATEMENTS. I WILL TALK ABOUT ONE THAT I VOTED ON. AND COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, IN TERMS OF WHAT SHE IS TALKING ABOUT. YOU KNOW, SHE BRINGS A LOT OF THINGS TO THE TABLE THAT I DON'T BRING TO THE TABLE. SHE DOES DOES WITH GRATE GREAT EFFECTIVENESS AND SKILL SKILL. THINGS THAT AREN'T MY STRONG POINTS AND IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE. I LOOK AT THE HANNAH VOTE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. A FUNNY STORY AND WHAT I WAS THINKING IN MY HEAD DURING THAT VOTE, WHICH I WON'T SAY FUN LITTLECALLY, BUT THAT ONE OF THE ONES WHERE I WENT, SHOULD HAVE APPLIED A LOT MORE SCRUTINY TO THAT. A LOT MORE SCRUTINY. WE SHOULD -- I SHOULD HAVE ASKED MORE QUESTIONS ON THAT. I SHOULD HAVE ASKED QUESTIONS ON THAT. AND EVERYTHING. AND AGAIN -- I AM JUST BEING HONEST. I AM AN HONEST GUY AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS. YES, WE SHOULD HAVE APPLIED A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF SKRCRUTINY O ME. WE TALK ABOUT THINGS YOU OPPOSE, IT IS CRA AND NOT BONDING BUT THE STRAZ CENTER AND THE MUSEUM OF ARTS, 6 147B VOTE. I VOTED AGAINST THEM, $50 MILLION FOR THOSE GREAT INSTITUTIONS. PEOPLE WHO SUPPORTED IT GO, GUESS WHAT, GREAT THING. WILL HELP DOWNTOWN AND HELP THESE AMAZING CULTURAL INSTITUTIONS. ADMITTED. I COULD GO IF WE KEPT THAT MONEY DOWNTOWN, HELP WITH THE STREETCAR AND HIM WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT THING. WE COULD HAVE CAPPED IT AND PUNT IT THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA IN DIFFERENT PLACES. GUESS THAT THAT IS? THE GRAY. DOESN'T MAKE ME GREAT FOR VOTE NOTHING, BUT I OPTED ON ONE SIDE OF THE GRAY AND EVERYBODY ELSE OPTED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE GRAY. THAT IS THE WAY I LOOK AT THINGS. THINGS THAT YOU LOOK AT AND VOEPT AND PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE -- AGAIN, PUBLIC OFFICIALS MAKE MISTAKES IN TERMS OF THE LEVEL OF SCRUTINY APPLIED. AND GOOD TO TO BE HONEST AND HUMAN ABOUT THAT. I POINT TO THE GRAY ON THINGS I VOTED NOD FROM. 50 MILLION. NOT BONDING BUT IT IS NOT BLACK AND WHITE AND GRAY. A LOT TIMES WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THE GRAY, I THINK. ', THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: R,ROGERO. YOU HAND A BRIEF CONVERSATION OUT OF THERETO A MINUTE AGO GOING OFF IF MEMORY, C.I.T. EARLY ON IN THE GRECO ADMINISTRATION. DID THAT FUND THE POLICE STATION AS SOON AS I KNOW THAT DIDN'T FUND BIG BLUE BECAUSE BUY NOW, PAY LATER KIND OF SITUATION. BUT ITS SUBSTATIONNESS WERE THEY FUNDED UNDER THE C.I.T.? >>DENNIS ROGERO: LET US CIRCLE IS BACK A BIT. WE WILL CONFIRM OR REFUTE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE REASON I ASK THAT, WITH THE C.I.T. RENEWAL EVEN AT THAT 15 YEARS. I THINK BACK TO THE STORMWATER VOTE IN 16 WHICH YOU ARE CHIEF OF STAFF GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE PREVIOUS MAYOR IN ORDER TO BRING DOWN THE COST OF THAT $2RD 51. 20 MILLION FROM C.I.T. WAS APPLIED TO THAT BIGGER PICTURE. LESS MONEY TO BOND. WE CAN FUND THIS AND COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN -- PAY GO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. FUND WITH THE C.I.T. RENEWAL BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY WE ARE MAKING THE BANKS RICH. A LOT OF TAXPAYER MONEY GOING IN INTEREST. CAN WE DO IT VIA C.I.T. YOU MENTIONED DECEMBER 26 WHEN THAT KICKS IN. WE LOOK FISH AND WILDLIFE YEARS OUT. PAY THIS WITH C.I.T. WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY SOUTHERN FOR INTEREST? >>DENNIS ROGERO: WE CAN. AND THIS A QUALIFIED CAN. WE DISCUSSED THIS MAYBE BE IN THIS FORUM BUT DEFINITELY DISCUSS IT BEHIND THE SCENES. IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE PRIORITIZATION OF THAT CIT VERSION TWO FUNDING. A GREAT DEAL OF OPPORTUNITY THERE. WE ALREADY TALKED EVER TALKED OF POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY FOR PARKS. BUT IT WILL TAKE SOME PRIORITIZATION ON THE MADE I DON'T REMEMBER'S AND CITY COUNCIL'S PART AND ON THE COMMUNITY'S PART. MAKING THIS UP, DIRECTED TOWARD ABC. DECISION WOULDIN WILL BE DIRECT THAT OR TO PORTION OF THAT TOWARD X,Y, Z TO MITIGATE WHAT YOU FINANCE. WE ATTEMPTED TO MITIGATE THE FINANCING USING OTHER REVENUE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: EVERYTHING OUT THANK YOU PREVIOUS MAYOR'S -- HIS RESPONSE TO ME, NO, WE ARE CAN'T .NO, WE CAN'T. PHYSICAL I VOTEDD A SWING VOTE -- $20 MILLION AND. THIS KRFRMD U DSH C.I.T. AND WE HEARD THE POLICE SAY HOW IMPORTANT THIS PROJECT IS. THE CONCERNS COUNCIL MEMBERS IT CONCERNS OF OTHER PROJECT THAT HAVE BEEN BONDED IN RECENT HISTORY HERE. BUT WHAT DO YOU EXPECT TO GENERATE FROM THAT 15-YEAR C.I.T. RENEWAL. A NUMBER, $100 MILLION, 300 MILLION? >>DENNIS ROGERO: CITY OF SOMEWHERE. WE WILL FIND IT. SUBSTANTIAL, YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TALK OF PRIORITIZING THE C.I.T. MONEY. THE MAYOR'S TERM ENDS IN 22 MONTHS. DECEMBER 26. SHE IS STILL HERE. WE ARE STILL HERE BECAUSE OUR TERMS ARE GOING. THE CHIEF OF POLICE IS SAYING HOW IMPORTANT THIS PROJECT IS. WHY DON'T WE MAKE THIS A PRIORITY WITH COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX MONEY GOING TO PUBLIC SAFETY. HOW MUCH BETTER DO YOU WANT TO MARKET IT. THE POINT IS, WE CAN MOVE THIS MARKET FORWARD WOULDN'T TAXPAYER MONEY ON INTEREST. I LEARNED AS I WAS GETTING OLDER. WHEN I WAS 18, PUT IT ON THE CONCORD. I HAD A 300 CREDIT UNIT. 28% FOR 26% INTEREST RATED. YOU WOULD THINK I PAY YOU IT LATER. $300, MINIMUM PAYMENTS 400 TODAY 500. NOW TALKING $30 MILLION, 40 MILLION. MONEY WASTED. MAKING THE BANKS RICH. IT IS OKAY. YOU CAN HAVE DEBT. EVERYBODY CAN HAVE DEBT. I DON'T. JUST A MORTGAGE. BUT I WANT TO BE SMART WITH THE TAXPAYER MONEY AND SAY IF THIS IS OF TOP PRIORITY. THE MAYOR SR. A FORMER POLICE CHIEF. YOU HAVE AN EXISTING FORMER POLICE CHIEF. I HAVE THE CONDITIONS THAN WHAT IS SEEN ON THE SEVENTH FLOOR. LET'S BE SMART WITH THE MONEY. HAVING TO BOND EVERYTHING AT THE END OF THE DAY, THANK YOU. >>DENNIS ROGERO: AGAIN IF I CAN PULL THAT THREAD A LITTLE BIT MORE. IT IS MONDAY EYE LIST TO SEND YOU THE CATEGORIES FORE THE CIT VERSION TWO. AS I SAID SUBSTANTIAL FUNDING ~- AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. SUBSTANTIAL FUNDING FOR PARKS AND RECOGNIZE RACING. FOR MOBILITY AND TRANSPORTATION. IN MY VIEW, IT COMES DOWN TO PRIORITIZATION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. ROGERO, CAN YOU SEND US THE ESTIMATED TABLE WHEN THE INVESTMENT COMES IN. >>DENNIS ROGERO: SURE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: STILL IN ON PUBLIC SAFETY BUT NOT ABOUT THAT BUILDING. COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA MENTIONED THE GUNS. AND I SAW THE STORY -- -- I TALKED TO PPBA. IT SEEMS APPARENT THAT YOU HAVE TO REPLACE THEM. DO OFF BUDGET YET INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET AND SOMETHING EXTRA? HOW MUCH WILL IT BE. >>LEE BERCAW: SOMETHING TO WORK ON. FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO ME ANY TIME SOON. >>BILL CARLSON: DO OFF BALLPARK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN FOR US. >>LEE BERCAW: CHIEF LEE BERCAW. SOMETHING WE HAVE BEEN EVALUATING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A PLACEHOLDER IN THE BUDGET. >>LEE BERCAW: SOMETHING WE ARE WORKING WITH THE CFO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA. MIR >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE C. U.YT. IS $850 MILLION. I WILL SAY IT AGAIN, $850. THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE PUBLIC AND ANNOUNCED WHEN THEY WROTE THE ARTICLE OF PUBLIC FACILITIES. YOU CAN'T WALK IN THE FACILITIES ON GAME DAY IN ANY ONE OF THEM. BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ARREST YOU WHEN THEY KALE YOU. DON'T HAVE A TICKET. AND THIS YOU CAN GO INTO. AND NOW ONE OF THESE. TRY AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. AND I APPLAUD THE OWNER OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS OF WHAT THEY CAN DOCK WITH THEIR BUSINESS. WE ARE STUPID ENOUGH TO YOU DO WHAT WE DID AND ONLY WON BY 2%. IF THE PUBLIC REALLY KNEW THE FACTS, IF THERE IS 2 MILLION THAT THE SPORTS AUTHORITY WORKS FOR FOR PROMOTE THEMSELVES AND HAVE FOR THEMSELVES WHAT TO DO. ALL THAT MONEY WHEN YOU BROUGHT TAYLOR SWIFT AND ALL THAT, $2 MILLION OF FIRST EARNINGS OF THAT YEAR GOLF TO THE OWNERS AND NOT THE TAXPAYERS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, CAN YOU STAY FOCUSED. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THEY BROUGHT IT UP. ANYWAY, I WILL STOP AND IN YOUR REFERENCE, MAKE SURE YOU LIVE 2340ER TO 30 YEARS SO I CAN HARASS YOU LONGER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE WILL MEAT IN THE OLD FOLKS HOME. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE A QUESTION OF THE GUNS BECAUSE I READ ABOUT THAT TOO. ANY WAY THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE -- F ANY FEDERAL DISCUSSION OF HOW THIS REPLACE NOSE. >>LEE BERCAW: NOT THAT I AM AWARE OF. WE SPOKE TO REPRESENTATIVE DANNY ALV ALVAREZ AND EXPRESSED THAT CONCERN TO HIM WITHOUT FINDING AN ISSUE YOU WITH A FUNDING SOURCE. >>LYNN HURTAK: I THINK THAT IS INTERESTING TO KNOW. MIGHT CAN SOMETHING THAT WE GET SOME ASSISTANCE WITH AS WELL. >> I SPOKE REPRESENTATIVE ALVAREZ OF STATE OF GRANTS POSSIBLY TOO. BUT A SUBJECT FOR ANOTHER DISCUSSION IN WE WILL FIGURE OUT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, RIGHT. SO CHIEF, SINCE YOU ARE COMING BACK ON THURSDAY, I STILL THINK YOU SHOULD AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND THIS UP NOW. >>LEE BERCAW: I JUST WANT TOLLED SAY THIS. FIRST OF ALL, WE ARE ALL TALKING OF BEING MAD CLE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: STATE YOUR NAME AGAIN. >>LEE BERCAW: LEE BERCAW. I AM UPSEPTEMBER. HEAD OF AN TORGSZ REDUCE CRIME AND INCREASE STAFFING OF ANY CHIEF IN HISTORY AT THE TOP OF MY HEAD AND I'M HERE PRESSING SOMETHING AT THE BENEFIT OF OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS. SOMETHING WE NEED, AND FOR ME TO BE INFERRED THERE ARE IS A GAME AND I'M HERE TO WIN IS SOMETHING THAT IS COMPLETELY DISRESPECTFUL TO ME AND THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION. I'M HERE BECAUSE IT IS A NEED AND IT IS FOR THE RIGHT REASON AND THE ONLY REASONABLE I'M HERE. I WANT TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR. BECAUSE IMPLIED TO ME THAT THIS WAS GAME. AND FOR THEIR TO BE BROUGHT UP LIKE IS COMPLETELY DISRESPECTFUL NOT ONLY TO ME AND THE ENTIRE ORGANIZATION. CARLSON CARLSON SAID THE ADMINISTRATION AND NOT YOU. >>LEE BERCAW: I AM THE ADMINISTRATION. >>BILL CARLSON: I AM TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO SUPPORT YOU AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SOME OF THE THINGS DONE ARE COMPLIANTLY UNETHICAL. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCILMAN CARLSON. IS THAT IS IT? >>LEE BERCAW: YES. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU VERY MU MUCH. WE CAN MOVE ON AND DISCUSS FIRE OR CONSTRUCTION SERVICES AND 56 MINUTES AND WE WILL BELLOZO ONE COLONEL PERSON AT 4:30, FYI. FIRE? FIRE? OKAY, FIRE. GO TO ANOTHER NONCONTROVERSIAL SUBJECT. >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL BEGIN WITH FIRE. AND THANK YOU, COUNCIL, AND CHIEF TRIPP. I HOPE YOU ARE WELL. I SEE WALTER HERE AND OTHERS. I AM GOING TO SAY THIS. AND I SAID THIS EVERY BUDGET JUST BECAUSE I AM A BROKEN RECORD ON CERTAIN THINGS WHICH IS, I REALLY WISH. I AM A BROKEN RECORD ON A LOT OF THINGS. I REALLY WISH THIS BUDGET. I LOOK BACK AT THE LAST FEW YEARS. AND ON DOWNTOWN FIRE AND MAKING ADVANCEMENTS THERE. OBVIOUSLY STATION 24. I WISHED AT THIS TIME WE COULD HAVE BUILT ANOTHER AT LEAST ONE FIRE STATION OP. I REALLY FEEL WE HAVE THEY NEWS AND SO FORTH. THAT IS WHAT IT IS. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU, CHIEF TRIPP. AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. ON FLEET MAINTENANCE, I SAW THED THE TIME LYME FOR THAT AND EVERYTHING. HOW LONG -- HOW LONG ALSO THAT TAKE. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY FLEET MAINTENANCE IS BAKED INTO THE EXPANSION OF STATION NINE WITH HELPING OUT GROWING WEST TAMPA. SO WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE TIMELINE FOR THIS. BECAUSE WE HAVE THE PROPERTY PROPERTY, KRECORRECT? WHAT DO YOU THINK THE TIMELINE. TRIPP CHIEF TRIPP, FIRE RESCUE. LAST I HEARD ASSESSMENT WAS ONGOING AND I DON'T KNOW THE FINAL WORD IF WE HAVE THE PROPERTY OR NOT. PROPERTY WESTERN LOOKING AT BUT THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE SURE IT IS FEASIBILITY FOR WHAT IS NEED. >>LUIS VIERA: OKAY, YEAH. BECAUSE THAT IS SOMETHING -- WE HAVE ANOTHER YEAR AND A HALF OR ANOTHER YEAR -- I POTENTIALLY DON'T BUT OTHER FOLKS DO. SOMETHING THAT I REALLY THINK WE CAN MAKE GREAT LEAPS ON BEFORE WE LEAVE HERE FROM THIS COUNCIL AND THIS ADMINISTRATION THAT WAS STATION 24S COULD BE A GOOD MOVE FOR TAMPA FIRE AROUND THINGS WE CAN BE PROUD OF THINK. THE BUDGET PRESENTATION OF REFURBISHING AND FIRE STATIONS IN TERMS OF -- SOME FOLKS SAY BUILD MORE FIRE STATIONS. LET'S -- LET'S GET TO THE ONES WE ALREADY HAVE UP TO LEVEL SO TO SPEAK. I THINK WE CAN DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME, BUT DOES THIS BUDGET DO FOR THAT, IF I MAY INQUIRE. >>CHIEF TRIPP: ONE THING I WANT TO SAY SINS BEEN IN THE POSITION. SOFRME SOME OF THE CLAL LENGTHS. AND THE STATIONS ARE STRATEGICALLY LOCATED THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF TAMPA. WE CAN'T PUNT ADDITIONAL RESOURCES BECAUSE THEY ARE SMALL. AND BACK IN THE DAY HE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND BUILT IN 1958. WE HAVE EIGHT OR NINE OF THOSE STATIONS. YOU HAVE A FIRE TRUCK IN THERE. NOW WE ARE TRYING TO PUT ADDITIONAL RESCUE CAR IN THERE. STATION NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN AND REBUILT AND ADDED TO APPLY THOSE RESOURCES. WITH THAT, YOU CAN DETERMINE WHERE THE NEEDS ARE AND RESPOND WITH THE COMMUNITY PROVIDE WHAT WE NEED AND WE CAN'T JUST PUT. STATION 10 I WILL USE IN EAST TAMPA. ONE STATION BAY. BULL I AM ALLOW ACE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES TO PUT FOR IT TO HELP OUT LOCATION AND NOT IN NOT IN THE STATION. >>LUIS VIERA: PERFECT. THANK YOU, MA'AM. I HAVE A BUNCH OF OTHER QUESTIONS ON THINGS INVOLVING FIRE, BUT NONE AT THIS TIME, I BELIEVE, VOVK THE BUDGET, I DON'T BELIEVE I DO. I WILL THINK ABOUT IT. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRWOMAN. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL ASK THE EXACT SAME THING I ASKED THE BLESS. IT LOOKS LIKE HERE, WE ARE DOING FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND U.S. SUPPLY SHOP. $7.5 MILLION FOR THE POTENTIAL DEBT ISSUES AND $40 MILLION ADDITIONAL DOLLARS. CAN WE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT IS GOING INTO THAT. AND DO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUILD SOMETHING AND ADDED TO IT AS WE GO. WHAT ARE WE PUTTING INTO -- I SORT OF AND STAND THAT THE SPECIALIZATION FOR SOME OF THE POLICE THINGS, THE EVIDENCE THAT HAVE -- BUT ARE WE DOING WITH $40 MILLION? IS IT JUST SUPPLY? >>CHIEF TRIPP: HAS BEEN A LOT OF ADDITIONAL CHANGES WHEN IT CAME TO THE FLEET SUPPLY BUILDING. LOOK AT ADDITIONAL FACILITIES AND WE ARE WAITING FOR THIS ASSESSMENT TO COME THROUGH OF WHAT IS ON THE PROPERTY. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY OTHER FACILITIES? >>CHIEF TRIPP: THE SUPPLY BUILDING AS WELL AND SEE IF WE CAN PUNT ADDITIONALD YOU KNOW WHEN IT COMES TO -- PRETTY MUCH A PUBLIC SAFETY. LAST I HEARD LIKE A PUBLIC SAFETY FACILITY. >>LYNN HURTAK: NOT JUST GOING TO BE FOR FIRE? >>CHIEF TRIPP: WHAT IS THE LATEST UPDATE? BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE LATEST UPDATE. >>ADRIANA COLINA: ADRI COLINA, DIRECTOR OF ASSET MANAGEMENT. PRIMARY FUNCTION OF THE SITE ON HILLSBOROUGH AVENUE WILL BE A FLEET FACILITY SERVICING THE FELT. WE MAY SERVICE OTHER VEHICLES I AREA. STORAGE AS CHIEF TRIP MENTIONED BECAUSE SHE HAS STORAGE THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND TO HAVE IT CENTRALIZED. WE ARE LOOKING AT THE SITE TO SEE IF THE SITE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT ONLY FIRE. >>ADRIANA COLINA: NOT NECESSARILY. >>LYNN HURTAK: I WOULD BE INTERESTING IN KNOWING IF WE ARE ONLY PUTTING FIRE, THAT WOULD COST. >>ADRIANA COLINA: LOOK CAN AT WHAT THE SITE CAN ACCOMMODATE. IF IT IS STRICTLY FIRE, WE WILL KNOW THAT ANSWER. ACCOMMODATE OTHER NEEDS THAT THE CITY MAY HAVE, THEN WE WILL LOOK AT THAT. CURRENTLY WE ARE LOOKING AT SITE TO SEE WHAT THE SITE CAN ACCOMMODATE. >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS WAS SPECIFICALLY BOT FOR MONEY FOR THE DEPARTMENT FOR FIRE. AT THE TIME WE PURCHASED THIS LAND, CHIEF TRIPP TOLD US IT WASN'T EVEN ENOUGH LAND THAT SHE WANTED. OR THAT SHE NEEDED. SHE ASKED FOR TEN ACRES, AND ABLE IT IS ONLY SEVEN. >>CHIEF TRIPP: SIX. >>ADRIANA COLINA: SIX. HOWEVER, TO BE CLEAR, WHEN WE SAY A FLEET PLATE NANCE FACILITY. THAT A LOGISTICS AND ASSET MANAGEMENT FUNCTION AND WE SERVICE FIRE. ALREADY RIGHT NOW, WE ARE TALK CAN TWO DEPARTMENTS. TO TELL YOU IT WILL BE EXCLUSIVELY FIRE, I CAN'T TELL THAT YOU. IF FLEET MAINTENANCE IS HERE ALREADY TWO DEPARTMENTS. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE FOCUS WILL BE FLEET MAINTENANCE FOR FIRE TRUCKS. >>ADRIANA COLINA: CORRECT. WE ARE NOT GOING TO TURN AWAY A POLICE VEHICLE OR ANOTHER VEHICLE THAT WE CAN SERVICE. WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE. IF WE ARE ABLE TO SERVICE ANOTHER SFLEEK VEHICLE. WE WANT TO SERVICE OUR VEHICLES EFFECTIVELY AND DO THAT AS BEST AS POSSIBLE. >>LYNN HURTAK: DO WE DO THAT ALREADY? >>ADRIANA COLINA: OUR FLEET SITE IS SERVICING FIRE. WE CAN'T BECAUSE WE CAN'T SUFFICIENTLY SERVICE THEM. IT IS TOO SMALL. >>LYNN HURTAK: TALK YOU HAVE OUR HANNA CITY. >>ADRIANA COLINA: YES, WE DO. >>LYNN HURTAK: WHAT WE WILL BE LOOKING FORWARD COMING FORWARD WITH THE POTENTIAL DEBT ISSUANCE IS WHAT WE CAN DO IN STAGES. >>ADRIANA COLINA: RIGHT. AND WE ARE LOOKING AT WHAT WE CAN DO IN STAGES. AND HOW MUCH OF IT REALLY DOES NOT NEED TO OCCUR RIGHT NOW. THINGS WE WOULD LOVE TO DO DOWN THE LINE AND WE ARE HERE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATE THAT. GOES ALONG WITH WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO SAID OF FOCUS ON C.IT. MONEY. BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THAT IS IMPORTANT JUST AS -- JUST AS THE EVIDENCE FACILITY IS IMPORTANT. WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO NOW VERSES WAS WE CAN HOLD OFF ON, ESPECIALLY FOR BONDING UNTIL THE C.I.T. MONEY COMES FORWARD BIGGER DISCUSSION TO HAVE. IF YOU DON'T SAY NO, FOUND A BETTER WAY TO FINANCE. >>ADRIANA COLINA: I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE MORE THING FOR THE RECORD. THE PROMPT ON HILLSBOROUGH, WE HAVE NOT YET EVEN PURCHASED. PART OF THE ASSESSMENT THAT IS OCCURRING IS TO SEE IF IT IS AS FEASIBLE SITE AND IF IT WILL WORK AND THAT WILL NOT OCCUR UNTIL -- CLOSE ALSO NOT OCCUR UNTIL SEPTEMBER, IF IN FACT, WE MOVE FORWARD. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY, WE -- I REMEMBER, WE -- WE AGREED ON THE CONTRACT. >>ADRIANA COLINA: CORRECT. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE ARE STILL IN THE DUE DILIGENCE PHASE. >>ADRIANA COLINA: CORRECT. >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABBYE FEELEY, ADMINISTRATOR OF DEVELOPMENT. THANKS, ADRI. WE ARE IN THE LAST EXTENSION OF THAT TIME. WE NEED TO CLOSE COMING UP WITH THE HOLIDAY, LABOR DAY, WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. AS PART OF THIS AND PART OF OUR ACQUISITION, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER COLLECTIVELY TOE PERFORM A FEASIBILITY STUD EVIDENCE OF THE PROPERTY BEFORE WE KNOW WHAT WE CAN PUT THERE. AND HOW THAT WOULD WORK. >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY. ONE MORE QUESTION, MISS FEELEY. WILL THAT COME TO US. WILL THE FEASIBILITY STUDY COME TO US BEFORE WE SIGN THE CHECK PER SE TO BUY IT? >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABBYE FEELEY. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE DONE THIS ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY. AS YOU MIGHT RECALL IN TERMS, IT WASN'T IN THE MARKET AND LOOKING AT SOMETHING AT A MINIMUM OF FIVE ACRES FOR THE FACILITY. AND ONCE WE GOT THIS UNDER CONTRACT. WE WANTED TO ENSURE THAT -- THAT WHAT WE NEED IT FOR WE COULD BUILD. AND GIVEN THE TIME FRAME. I AM THINKING ON THE FLY THE TIME FRAME OF WHERE WE ARE AND NEED A CLOSING. OUR TARGET CLOSE SOMETHING JULY 25. WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING WE CLOSED ON IT AND OWNED IT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE RECORD WAS CLEAR FOR THAT. WILL WE BRING BACK THE FEASIBILITY STUDY. SOMETHING I WILL HAVE TO SPEAK WITH OUR TEAM ON AND FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE WOULD LET THE PROPERTY GO EITHER WAY. I WANT TO FIGURE THAT OUT. KIND OF LIKE WHAT COUNCILMAN CARLSON WAS SAYING EARLIER. WE ARE ALWAYS WORKING ON THE PROPERTIES. WE DON'T NECESSARILY DISCLOSE THAT BECAUSE IT PUTS US AT DISADVANTAGE WHEN WE GO TO THE TABLE. WHEN SOMEBODY IN THE FREE MARKET KNOWS WE ARE DOING THAT TOO. >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT, AGAIN, REGARDLESS OF OWNING THIS PROPERTY. IF WE BUY THIS PROPERTY AND THEN IT CAN'T BE USED FOR THIS. STARTING THIS AND GROUND ZERO. THAT IS MY CONCERN. >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES, WE ARE HAVING AN INTERNAL MEETING TO TALK OF THE FEASIBILITY. I THINK WE CAN DO THE FLEET FACILITY FOR FIRE. THE QUESTION WAS, HOW CAN WE MOST EFFICIENTLY USE THE LAND TO FILL SOME OF OUR OTHER NEEDS AS WELL. LOOKING AT IT TO DO THE FLEET FIRE AND LEFT OVER SPACE AND OTHER UNUSED SPACE. WHAT TO USE THAT FOR TO MAKE IT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE. I BELIEVE THAT IS WHERE THE CONVERSATION IS. IF WE DEEMED IT NOT FEASIBILITY, CORRECT, WE WOULDN'T CLOSE ON IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: SO, AGAIN, THAT IS WHERE I THINK THIS COUNCIL BY AND LARGE. YOU HEARD US EARLIER TODAY, THE CONCERN OF MAKING SURE THAT WHEN WE SAY THAT -- THAT WE ARE FOCUS AND THIS. IF YOU ARE ADDED SOMETHING TO THIS. ARE WE OVER AND ABOVE BECAUSE I THINK $40 MILLION IS A LOT OF MONEY. ITS $20 MILLION OR MORE WE CAN PUT SOMETHING ELSE ON IT. WE DON'T HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY AND KEEPS BRINGING IT BACK UP TO US OVER AND OVER AGAIN. >>JEAN DUNCAN: JEAN DUNCAN, DIRECTOR OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOBILITY. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME CHIME IN QUICKLY. TO CLEAR UP THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. ASSESSING THIS PROPERTY FOR PRIMARY PURPOSE OF THE FLEET FIRE FACILITY. WE ARE LOOKING TO SEE IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL SPACE AVAILABLE, WHAT ELSE CAN WE PUT ON THE PROPERTY TO MAXIMIZE THE BEST USE THE PROPERTY. THE HIGHER AND BEST USE. WE WILL NOT PURCHASE THE PROPERTY IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR THAT INTENDED PURPOSE. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY IS IF WE DECIDE TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY, OF COURSE THE CONTRACT WILL COME BEFORE YOU. I AM SURE WE WILL CERTAINLY BRIEF YOU ON OUR DECISION TO WANT TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY, HOW THE ASSESSMENT LED US TO THIS GOOD DECISION. BUT THE OTHER THING IS, ONCE WE PURCHASE THE PROPERTY, WE STILL HAVE TO PUT TOGETHER A DESIGN CRITERIA PACKAGE AND THE RFQ TO GO OUT ON THE STREET. WE WOULDN'T CAN DOING THAT FOR SIX MONTHS AND THE DESIGN WOULD POTENTIALLY START AT THIS POINTS WHICH WILL TAKE ABOUT A YEAR AND CONSTRUCTION ABOUT A YEAR. SO JUST SHARING THIS TO GET A SENSE OF TIMING. TALKING OF FY '26 BUDGET. DOLLARS IN FY '26 BUDGET. OUT THERE IN TERMS OF TEAMING, WE DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBERS YET. $40 MILLION IS A VERY BALL PARKER NUMBER RIGHT NOW AND HONING THAT DOWN WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICITY, AND I WANT SHARE THAT WITH THE HOPE OF YOUR DECISION MAKING OF THE TIMING OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE ONLY REASON I AM ASKING IT ON THE CHART FOR DEBT ISSUENESS. TODAY TALKING OF DEBT, AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE SITUATION. AND A LOT MORE GOING FORWARD AND USING THAT 40 MILLION NONCONFORM BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT IS GIVEN TO US. >>JEAN DUNCAN: THE BALLPARK TO HAVE THE MONIES COMING IN SO WE GET THE BALL RUNNING AND AVAILABLE TO WORK THE PROJECT WITH. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU VERY. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: APPROPRIATE CONVERSATION. COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: CLOSING UP ON MY STUFF. A COUPLE OF THINGS. IF THIS ONE FALLS THROUGH, CHAIRMAN CLENDENIN MENTIONED LOOKING OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS. NORTH TAMPA, A LOT IN THE UNIVERSITY AREA AND SO FORTH. GOD FORBID. TELL TELL YOU WHAT, IF IT SOMEHOW FALLS THROUGH, LET US KNOW BECAUSE THAT IS OBVIOUSLY VERY IMPORTANT. A BIG DISCUSSION TO HAVE HERE THAT JUST BRIEFLY FOR THE PUBLIC IS, WE ARE TALKING OF POLICE AND FIRE AND GUESS WHABS FUNDERBACK THAT, PROPERTY TAXES. SOMETHING THAT IS SO IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW. PROPERTY TAXES. PEOPLE SAY GET RID OF PROPERTY TAXES. MY POSITION ON THAT HAS BEEN MEND IT. DON'T INLAND IT. AN EXEMPTION HOLD. TAMPA AND EVERYWHERE IF WE GET RID OF PROPERTY TAXES. A METHOD BY WHICH WE FUND THE GLUE THAT HOLD OUR CITIES AND OUR COMMUNITIES TOGETHER. I DID WANT TO SAY THAT. I CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THAT WE DO NEED ADDITIONAL -- SOME SORT OF A REVENUE. DEDICATED REVENUE SOURCE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. THESE AUTO ITEMS I TRIED TO GET UNDER A VERY LIMITED REVENUE SOURCE OF $3 A MONTH FOR FOLKS THAT DIDN'T PASS. THAT IS FINE. I THINK THE REASON IT DIDN'T PASS BY THE WAY IS BECAUSE THE WELL WAS POISONED WITH A HUGE TAX INCREASE, 15% TO 16%. TRY TO NARROW IT DOWN FOR POLICE AND FIRE, THAT WELL HAVE BEEN MOTIONED, THE WAY IT IS. I CAN RESPECT THAT. BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE DISCUSSIONNESS IN THE FUTURE ON DEDICATED REVENUE SOURCES FOR POLICE AND FOR FIRE. AND WE ALL KNOW THE PUBLIC. AND MY KNOWING OF THE PUBLIC, PEOPLE DON'T MIND PAY AN EXTRA $2 OR $3 IF IT MEANS FIRE FIGHTERS ARE GOING TO HAVE GOOD STATIONS -- MORE COPS ON THE STREETS THAT WE CAN READILY PURCHASE GUNS FOR COMES, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. I REALLY, REALLY BELIEVE THAT. PEOPLE ARE VERY SUSPICIOUS OF TAXES. PEOPLE ARE UNDER FINANCIAL DURESS, ETC. IF PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEIR TAX DOLLARS ALSO GO TO THINGS LIKE THAT, THEY ARE ALL FOR IT ESPECIALLY FOR THE FIRE FIGHTERS AND THE COPS. I BELIEVE THAT WITH ALL MY HEART. THAT'S WHY I TRY TO DO THAT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. ANYBODY HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT FIRE? THANK YOU. AGAIN, I THINKING THIS IS A GOOD BUDGET REQUEST FOR FIRES. IT MET A LOT OF THE NEEDS THAT COUNCIL HAD EXPRESSED AND FIGHTING FOR. THANK YOU FOR THE BUDGET SUBMISSION. OKAY. COUNCIL'S DESIRE ON THE SCHEDULE FOR DISCUSSION. WE STILL HAVE CONSTRUCTION SERVICES. ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT FIRE SO, SORY, CHIEF TRIPP. DEBT ISSUANCE FOR $20 MILLION FOR STATION 24. DOES THAT SEEM STILL LIKE A REASONABLE NUMBER? I SEE SOME NODDING IN THE BACK. IF YOU WANT TO COME UP AND SPEAK TO IT. >>CHIEF TRIPP: I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT IS OUT OF MY LEAGUE. >>LYNN HURTAK: MR. MUTTERBACK, IF YOU TAKE QUESTION AND THAT GOES BACK INTO OTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT OTHER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ABSOLUTELY. LOOM LIKE YOU PLANNED. >> RICHARD MUTTERBACK, CONTRACT ADMINISTRATION. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE DEBT ISSUANCE FOR THE FUNDING FOR FIRE STATION 24? >> THEY ARE STILL IN THE DESIGN PROCESS, BUT THOSE NUMBERS THAT HAVE BEEN TOSSED AROUND SO FAR, THOSE ESTIMATES ARE STILL BELOW $20 MILLION FOR THE GMP, YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: WE ARE STILL LOOKING AT. I KNOW I TALKED TO CHIEF TRIPP OF HAVING TO LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE THING AND SEEING EXACT LIBRARY WHAT WE NEED. AS PER OUR CONVERSATION. WE DON'T HAVE THE ABSOLUTE HIGHEST. BETTER AND GOOD AND GREAT, NOT THE EXCELLENT VERSION OF THINGS. BETWEEN THAT AND I WANTED TO KNOW. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. THAT IS NOT INCREASING. BUT WE ARE -- IT DOES LOOK LIKE WE HAVE SOME MONEY IN THIS DEBT ISSUANCE AGAIN STILL FOR THE FIRE STATIONS THAT WE ARE ALSO WORKING ON 9, 10, 6 FUTURE. >> IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT CONSTRUCTION SERVICES? ANYTHING HAVE I DIDN'T QUESTIONS FROM CONSTRUCTION SERVICES. PICK NEAR ALREADY FROM CONSTRUCTION SERVICES? ABBY, OKAY. IN YOUR PORTFOLIO. WHAT IS IT THAT YOU DON'T DO. >>LUIS VIERA: I DON'T WANT TO BRING IN UP AND RESPECTFUL OF THE RULES. WITH THE APPRENTICESHIP ORDINANCE THAT WE HAVE A MEMO THAT IS FORTHCOMING OF ONE ORDINANCE AND FUNDING APPRENTICE SHIPS. SHOULD I BRING THAT UP NEXT MOMEN MOME MOMENTSING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AS COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK POINTEDED OUT, ITS BUDGET IS HANDED OFF TO US. IT IS IN OUR HANDS. IF YOU WANT TO SHIFT THAT, GO TO PUBLIC HEARING OF A PLAN WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM AND WHERE IT IS GOING. >>LUIS VIERA: WE GOT PREEMPTED. WE WERE LUCKY TO HAVE THREE YEARS IF AND LOVELY IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. THE APPRENTICESHIP ORDINANCE AND FUND APPRENTICESHIP HERE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA. JUST INTRODUCE IT. I AM NOT TALKING OF A HUGE NUMBER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ANYTHING ELSE TO DISCUSS OR MOVE ON NOT NEXT AGENDA ITEM. >>BILL CARLSON: I MENTIONED THIS EARLIER. THERE IS A PLANNING COMMISSION IN MY DISTRICT AND I I NEED TO MAKE SURE MY KIDS ARE FED BEFORE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT LEAVE A HAMSTER FEEDER UP FOR THEM. >>BILL CARLSON: NO. : THANK YOU. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE RESOLUTION THAT WE CAN NOT DO BUSINESS ON AND PUBLIC INPUT ON. ITEM NUMBER THREE. THE STAGE IS YOURS. >>DENNIS ROGERO: CAN I HAVE THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION PRESENTATION UP, PLEASE. IT IS AT THE END OF THE EXISTING PRESENTATION FOR THOSE IN THE ROOM. >>LYNN HURTAK: PAGE 19. >>DENNIS ROGERO: CAN I HAVE ONE OF THOSE IN CASE. MIGHT HAVE TO DO IT OLD SCHOOL. WHICH IS FINE, I DON'T MIND -- THERE IT IS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A VERY PRETTY GRAPHIC YOU HAVE THERE. MENDENHALL DONALD TRUMP I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE END OF THE PRESENTATION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHAT BUT TONIGHT DID YOU PUSH. >>DENNIS ROGERO: LIKE THE WRONG O ONE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ARE WAITING FOR THE PRESENTATION. >>DENNIS ROGERO: ACTUALLY I CAN ELMO. CAN I HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION? WE CAN ELMO IT. >>LYNN HURTAK: ACTUALLY THE WOLF. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THAT'S RIGHT, WOLF. ELMO HAS STICKING PO POWER. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOW THAT YOU LISA HAS SPOKEN, THIS SHALL BE DONE. AND GREAT DEAL OF FUNDING AND SPAN A GREAT DEAL OF PROJECTS AND NOT ONLY WANTING TO REFRESH ON BE WHAT CITY COUNCIL HAS ALREADY AGREED TO FROM A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION ST. PATRICK, BUT ALREADY, AGAIN, WHAT WE ANTICIPATE BRINGING TO YOU. AND IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING. I THINK THIS IS SEPARATE AND APART FROM POTENTIALITIES ASSOCIATED WITH OTHER REVENUE SOURCES SUCH AS THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX VERSION 2. BREAK DOWN OF CATEGORY OF ACCEPTED A AMOUNTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION. HALF OF IT. PUBLIC SAFETY. I DON'T THINKING THAT IS ANY SURPRISE. SIGNIFICANT PORTION FOR PARKS AND RECREATION. ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT PORTION FOR MOBILITY AND YOU SEE CONVENTION CENTER IN GENERAL. I AM STANDING TO THE SIDE. CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME OKAY? OKAY, THANK YOU. FIRST YEAR OF THE CIP OF THE ADOPTED. SECOND THROUGH THE FIFTH YEAR ARE SIMPLY PROGRAMMING, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT IS THE PROJECTS, WHETHER IT IS THE REVENUES, WHETHER IT IS THE EXPENDITURES. THOSE OF YOU PROBABLY AT HOME WHO MAY NOT KNOW WE CAN ONLY APPROPRIATE ONE PARTICULAR YEAR AND THE RATE AND THE REMAINING IS OUR BEST ESTIMATED PLAN. THE ANNUAL BUDGET ADOPTION, THE FINANCIAL RESOLUTION AND YOU HAVE ALREADY SEEN THE DEBT PROGRAM AS PART OF THE PROCEEDING PRESENTATION. ANOTHER REFRESH AND I WON'T GO OVER EVERYTHING. BUT ALLOWS US TO SUSPEND FUNDING AND PAY OURSELVES BACK. A VERY, VERY GOOD AND RECOMMENDED ACTION IF WE INTEND TO ISSUE DEBT FOR THESE EXPENSES. THERE WILL BE MANY IN ADDITION TO THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION. MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO DISCUSS AND PROVE THESE OPTIONS. MONTHLY REPORTS THAT WE PROVIDE BASE AND WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH ALL OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAMS AND PROJECTS AND WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH ALL OF THE DEBT ISSUANCES. I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT LAST BULLET. WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AND THE PUBLIC A LOOKING THROUGH THE CIP OR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, YOU WILL SEE THE DEBT -- THE ANTICIPATED DEBT FINANCING AS JUST THAT, POTENTIAL DEBT FINANCING WHETHER IT IS NON-AD VALOREM. WHETHER IT WATER, WASTEWATER. WHETHER IT IS SOLID WASTE CLEARLY IDENTIFIED WE HAVE NOT ISSUED IT YET AND IN CONSIDERATION TO FUND THE PROJECT. AGAIN A HILL REFRESH AND COUNCIL HAS SEEN AND HEARD IT BEFORE. IT IS WORTH REITERATING. IT MAKES SURE THAT THE CITY ASK TAKE ADVANTAGE OF TAX EARNINGS FINANCING. IT IS LESS EXPENSIVE THAN TAXABLE FINANCING. PREP SERVES ACTIONS FOR THE CITY AND THIS IS LARGELY WHAT WE DISCUSSED EARLIER WITH RESPECT TO HOW CAPITAL PROJECTS WILL BE FUNDED. IT DOES NOT MANDATE THAT DEBT BE ISSUED, BUT IT PUTS BOTH COUNCIL, THE MAYOR AND THE PUBLIC ON NOTICE THAT IT IS A POTENTIALITY AND IF COUNCIL DECIDES TO ISSUER THE DEBT, WE CAN PAY OUR 70s BACK FROM WHAT WE ARE SPENDING. WE HAVE PROJECT A. YOU WANT TO ACCELERATE THE TIME FRAME AND SPEND THE MONEY NOW. RECOMMENDED AND A BEST PRACTICE FOR A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION. IF YOU ISSUE DEPARTMENT FOR THAT PROJECT, YOU CAN PAY YOURSELF BACK FOR THE FUNDING THAT THE CITY HAS FLOATED WHILE YOU AWAIT I SHALL URINES OF THE DEBT. ALLOW TO YOU START WITHOUT PAYING THE ANNUAL INTEREST AND NOT ISSUED THE DEBT AND A REDUCTION IN INTEREST REVENUES AND FLOATING THE MONEY SO WE CAN INVEST THAT. TYPICALLY IT WILL BE POLICE THAN THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH FINANCING AND INTEREST. I DON'T WANT TO READ EVERY SINGLE ONE. REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION APROFITS. SOME OF THEM BECAUSE THERE IS A LEO ZUBER SEQUENT APPROVAL IN OCTOBER '22. THESE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTIONS WERE APPROVED FOR AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $880 MILLION. SOME WE ISSUED DEBT ON AND THE ABILITY TO SPEND MONEY NOW FROM OUR OWN FUNDING AND GET PAID BACK WHEN WE ISSUE DEBT. WE SEE FIRE STATION 24. THE ANNEX BUILDING. JUST TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED EARLIER, THE EAST TAMPA RECREATION COMPLEX. THEN IN FEBRUARY OF LAST YEAR, WE DID FIRE STATION NUMBER 24 AND FIRE MAINTENANCE AND SUPPLY FACILITY. NOT TO EXCEED $50 MILLION. YES, SIR. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHY DID THIS SHOW UP IN '22 AND '24? >>DENNIS ROGERO: TWO REASONS. ANOTHER REASON -- SOME REPETITIVENESSNESS IN THIS REIMBURSEMENT THAT WE PUT AS PART EVER IN AGENDA. WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THE PROJECTS TOGETHER UNDER A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION EVEN THOUGH COUNCIL HAS ALREADY APPROVED SOME OF THEM. I HATE TO USE THE WORD "AUDIT TRAIL." BUT IT WILL BE VERY OBVIOUS FROM A RETROSPECTIVE REVIEW WHAT THE APPROVALS WERE FOR THE PROJECTS. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO HUNT AND PECK HEREBY AND HUNT AND PECK HERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE RESOLUTION ADOPTED FEBRUARY 22, '22 ALREADY INCLUDED FIRE STATION 24 AND THE MAINTENANCE SUN PLY SHOP. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES IT IS. >> FISH 2024 WERE FOR THE EXACT SAME TWO ITEMS. NOW BASED ON THIS, IT APPEARS AS THOUGH YOU RAN OUT YOU HAVE CAPITAL, BECAUSE THE OTHER WAS CAPPED AT 880. AND ADD 50? MENDENHALL WE AMENDED THE INITIAL RESOLUTION 22-139. YOU CAN SEE THAT IS ALSO -- NO, WE ADDED -- ADDED OR AMENDED THE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION, FOR INSTANCE. YOU HAVE 2022-915. AND I AM PRETTY SURE -- SUPPOSED TO BE 2024. AND COMBINED, THEY GIVE THE VIEWER COUNCIL, THE MAYOR AND THE PUBLIC A HOLISTIC VIEW WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I AM JUST CURIOUS WHY -- WHY IT IS THE SAME CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT IS LISTED TWICE INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING WE WANT TO ADD $50 MILLION TO THE CAPITAL -- BECAUSE -- YEAH, I AM -- >>DENNIS ROGERO: IF MEMORY SERVES. IT IS BECAUSE WE DID NEED ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO SPEND FUNDING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JUST THE ADDITIONAL $50 MILLION. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, IT IS REPETITIVE AND I APOLOGIZE FOR ANY CONFUSION. HOPEFULLY WE CAN SEE -- WITH COUNCIL APPROVALS THIS. A CONTINUOUS CONSISTENT PROJECT LISTING OF WHAT HAS BEEN -- WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR REIMBURSEMENT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE NEXT ONE DOESN'T HAVE ANY COMPETITIVE AS SOON AS. >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT DOES NOT ON HERE. BUT IT DOES WITHIN THE BODY OF THE AGENDA ITEM WE PROVIDED SO YOU CAN SEE ALL OF THE PROJECTS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: $105 MILLION WILL BE ROLLED INTO THE RESOLUTION THAT WE SEE AND ALL THE PROJECTS WILL BE UNDER THE ONE RESOLUTION. >>DENNIS ROGERO: DIFFERENT RESOLUTION NUMBERS AND UNDER ONE PACKAGE. ONCE WE BRING A DEBT ISSUANCE WE BRING IN THE PROJECTS. CLEAR AUDIT TRAIL AND BY ALL MEANS, I DON'T MEAN TO CONFUSE EVERYBODY INCLUDING THE PUBLIC. A BROAD-BASED VIEW OF WHAT IS BEING APPROVED FOR REIMBURSEMENT. I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. THIS ALLOWS US TO HIGHLIGHT THE PROJECTS THAT RIGHT NOW WE CAN'T SPEND MONEY ON, BECAUSE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED FOR THE FIRE STATION 6 EXPANSION AND PROPERTY ACQUISITION. AS OPPOSED TO FIRE STATION 24, WHICH WE CAN FREELY SPEND MONEY ON AND ANTICIPATE GETTING REIMBURSED. SO IT IS A LITTLE REPETITIVE. BUT I THINK FROM A RETROSPECTIVE POINT OF VIEW, IF YOU WERE WANTING TO KNOW WHAT HAS BEEN THE -- THE TOTAL REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION APPROVALS BOTH FOR AMOUNTS AND PROJECTS, YOU WILL HAVE IT ALL RIGHT THERE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SINCE WE HAVE ADOPTED THESE TWO RESOLUTIONS, THE SECOND RESOLUTION OF FIRE STATION 24 AND FIRE MATE NANCE AND SUPPLY OF $50 MILLION. THE OTHER WAS $80 MILLION. AM I CORRECT IN ASSUMING THAT THAT $50 MILLION WITH FIRE STATION 24 WITH FIRE MAINTENANCE LIMITED TODAY 50 MILLION. AND $80 MILLION WILL BE THE OTHER PROJECTS IN THIS LIST. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES, AT THAT TIME. FOR INSTANCE, LET ME GO BACK TO THE -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: $80 MILLION OF BONDING AVAILABLE EXCEPT FOR FIRE STATION 24. AND $50 MILLION FOR FIRE STATION 24 AND FIRE MATE NANCE SUPPLY FACILITY. >> NOT -- NOT EXACTLY. THIS IS NOT A FINANCING CAPACITY. THIS IS A ESTABLISHING AN AMOUNT WE WILL BE ABLE TO SPEND AND GET REIMBURSED FOR. FOR INSTANCE, FIRE STATION NUMBER 24 AND SUPPLY AND MATE NANCE. THOSE TWO TOGETHER ARE $60 MILLION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HENCE MY CONFUSION. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES. BECAUSE A COMPONENT HE THEM ALREADY BEEN INCLUDED IN THE PREVIOUS RESOLUTION. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SPENDING MONEY OUT OF THE THAT $80 MILLION TO GET TO YOUR ACHIEVABLE FIGURE FOR CONSTRUCTION. >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES. I AM SORRY IF I DIDN'T COMMUNICATE THAT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THAT IS WHAT I WAS THINKING. I WAS CONFUSED. >>LYNN HURTAK: ONE I THINK THAT WILL HELP PREVENT THE CONFUSION, TO PUT THE MONEY KNOWS EACH. I WILL ASK TO YOU PUT THAT FORWARD FOR THE RESOLUTION, BECAUSE THAT IS AN AREA ARE THAT WE ARE CONFUSED WITH. 80 PLUS 50 IS 130. BACK DOWN ON THE HAVE THE HE LAST PAGE, YOU SAY IT ADDS THE PROJECTS BELOW, TOTALING $105 MILLION. THAT DOESN'T -- THOSE NUMBERS DON'T ADD UP. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THAT IS A GOOD IDEA. WE WILL ITEMIZE THE AMOUNTS. >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU. YOU KINDS OF ITEMIZED THEM HERE. >>DENNIS ROGERO: DID I NOT JUST GET TO IT? >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WAS YOUR INITIAL -- >>DENNIS ROGERO: IN THIS PREVIOUS PRESENTATION. >>LYNN HURTAK: IS THE DEBT ISSUANCE NUMBER ONE FROM THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION. IS THAT THAT INCLUSIVE OF THIS? IS THAT BASICALLY THE SAME THING? >>DENNIS ROGERO: IT IS. >>LYNN HURTAK: GREAT TO PULL THOSE UP BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT AND WHAT I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT ALL DAY TODAY IN TERMS OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE REALLY SPENDING MONEY ON. A WAY TO GET PAGE NUMBER 19. AND MAYBE IF THEY CAN'T DO IT IN THE BACK, WE CAN -- >>DENNIS ROGERO: I THINK WE CAN. I WOULD -- BECAUSE I KNOW -- I AM HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IT AS LONG AS COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IT. WHAT WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT IS PROBABLY THE CLOSEST ALLIGATOR TO OUR BOAT IS THESE YOU SEE RIGHT HERE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO SPEND MONEY ON. I AM NOT TRYING TO ACCELERATE EVERYTHING. K-BAR RANCH PARK. I AM NOT RECOMMENDING TO SPEND MONEY ON IT. AND NOT HAVING A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION TO PAY US BACK. ONE OF THE PRIMARY GOALSES IN THIS PRESENTATION TAX REFRESH WITH COUNCIL WHAT YOU ALREADY APPROVED. AND THEN THE REMAINING PROJECTS THAT REMAIN UNAPPROVED FROM A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION PERSPECTIVE. >>LYNN HURTAK: AGAIN, I WOULD REALLY PREFER IF YOU COULD YOU BRING THIS UP SOMEHOW, THIS PARTICULAR -- >>DENNIS ROGERO: TALKING TO THE BACK. CAN I HAVE THE PRESENTATION BACK, THE POWERPOINT, MA'AM? >>LYNN HURTAK: IF THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THE GOVERNMENT QS -- >>LYNN HURTAK: HAGAR WAS GOING TO GIVE IT -- NEVER MIND, AT THAT T CAME UP. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU, IN THE BACK. >>LYNN HURTAK: THEY ARE MAGIC. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AND A DELIGHT. >>LYNN HURTAK: PAGE 19. >>DENNIS ROGERO: 1-NINER. >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS IS WHERE IT STARTS. MY PARTICULAR INTEREST IT PAGE 21. SAID IT BEFORE. ASHLEY UNITED. I AM ABSOLUTELY UNITED TO TAKE THAT OFF OF CRA FUNDING WHATEVER IT TAKES. WE DON'T KNEELED TO BE BONDING FOR IT. THE CRA SHOULD PAY FOR IT. WORKING INSIDE THE CRA. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: I KNOW. APPROVING FOR METROPOLITAN FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS IS. >>DENNIS ROGERO: HE WILL NOTE THAT THE ASHLEY UNITED PROJECT HAS NOT BUDGET APPROVED. >>LYNN HURTAK: ON THE LIST. BACK TO PAGE 20 THE SULPHUR SPRINGS POORLY RESTRICTIONS ARE. I ASKED $3.6 MILLION PART OF THE $1.8D MILLION THAT WILL WE ARE APPROVING THURSDAY, AND YOU SAID NO, IT IS NOT. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I SAID IT COULD BE. YOU GATHERED WE DON'T KNOW A LOT OF THIS PROJECT WITH WHAT WE NEED TO SPEND. $1.8 MILLION, $1 WERE 9 MILLION THAT WILL WE APPROPRIATED THAT. IT COULD BE A POTENTIALITY AND COULD BE A $5 MILLION. >>LYNN HURTAK: 17DZ 8 MILLION IS PART OF THAT $376 MILLION. DINGFELDER DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT THE 3.6 WILL STAY 3.6. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HEARD ADDITION. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I APOLOGIZE, I MISUNDER STOOLED. >>BILL CARLSON: 1.8 AND BUDGET ASK STORE SULPHUR SPRINGS A AMENDED BONDED MONEY AND NOT PAY GO? >>DENNIS ROGERO: YES. >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S WHAT I AM SAYING. TIMES OF THINGS WE NEED TO BE DISCUSSING IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT ALL OF THIS. IF YOU GO TO THE PAGE BEFORE, PAGE 19, I MEAN, WE ARE LOOKING AT BONDING FOR STUFF THAT IS AS CHEAP AS -- AS THE FACILITY LIGHTING UPGRADES FOR $880,000. I SAY "CHEAP. "BUT CHEAP IN A GRAND SCHEME. STRUCTURAL REPAIRS AND IMPROVEMENTS. THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF THAT WORRIES ME ABOUT BONDING. AND, YEAH. SO -- THIS IS WHY WE NEED -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOW DO WE BOND A STUDY? I MEAN HOW DO -- WHO CAN JUSTIFY BONDING A STUDY? >>LYNN HURTAK: IT IS NOT JUST A STUDY. BUT ESUF IS MORE THAN JUST THAT. -- BUT SULPHUR SPRINGS IS MORE THAN JUST THAT. BUT THERE ARE SOME OF IT THAT AS MUCH THE STUDY. THEY ALREADY -- WE PUNT $1 MILLION IN IT THIS YEAR. AND I BELIEVE THAT PAID FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE STUDY IF I AM CORRECT. WE HAVE DONE A SUBSTANTIAL STUDY AND SPENT MONEY ON IT. THE $1.8 WILL BE THE BUILDING EVER THE SEAWALL. AND COUPLE OF OTHERS THINGS. GROUTING, FILLING IN SOME OF THE SPACES. >>OCEA WYNN: OCEA WYNN, ADMINISTRATOR FOR NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS. YOU ARE CORRECT, THE BULK OF THAT IS THE SEAWALL, WITH THE GROUTING, AND FILLING IN THE SPACES, THAT STUDY HELPS US UNDERSTAND WHAT IS NEEDED IN THAT YOU -- THAT ASSESSMENT STUDY. >>LYNN HURTAK: BUT ALREADY HAS BEEN A STUDY. IT WAS DETERMINED TO FIX THE SEAWALL AND TO FILL IN THESE HOLLOWS WITH THE GROUTING AND THEN WE WILL NEED TO DO ANOTHER STUDY WHICH WOULD NOT BE BONDED. AM I ON THE RIGHT TRACK? >>DENNIS ROGERO: YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. WE WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BOND THAT. >>LYNN HURTAK: THE STUDY. YOU SAY WE ARE BONDING THE WORK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. ROGERO, I KNOW WE STAYED THIS BEFORE AND MY STUPIDITY IN PUBLIC FINANCE. AS WE MOVE FORWARD IN THE NEXT CYCLE OF ME SIT IN THE STREETS. HE NEED THESE THINGS SPELLED OUT CLEARLY AS WE MAKE VOTES. WHAT AD I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ENUNCIATED VERY WELL. IF YOU WANT TO THIS PROJECT, YOU ARE GOING TO FINANCE THIS PROJECT. IT IS GOING TO BE BONDED IN A REAL CLEAR -- BROKEN DOWN IN A VERY SPECIFIC WAY AND NOT LUMPED TOVENTH WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS. YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE TO DO THIS AND DO X, Y, OR Z, IT WILL BE PAY GO OR BONDED. AND KNOW YOU GUYS ARE FINANCE GUYS AND YOU THINK YOU SAY THAT. THOSE OF US AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS OR FORMER TEACHER, FORMER HORSE RACERS, I MEAN, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ENUNLS 1998ED TO US, WHEN YOU APPROVE THIS -- ENUNCIATED TO US WHEN YOU APPROVE THIS PROJECT, YOU ARE APPROVING FUNDING FOR THIS. >>DENNIS ROGERO: COUNCILMAN CARLSON, HE IS NOT HERE NOW BUT HE SAID SOMETHING EARLIER THAT I WROTE DOWN. SIMPLY LIST IT. WE ALWAYS ENDEAVOR TOE DO THAT. BUT I APPRECIATING 1998 YOUR PERSPECTIVE. WHAT IS SIMPLY LISTED TO US MAY NOT BE SIMPLY LISTED TO THE LAYPERSON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BONDING FOR DUMMIESES. SPELL IT OUT -- NOT FOR LYNN, BUT SPELL IT OUT FOR ME. HU . >>LYNN HURTAK: I RESPECT AND UNDERSTAND AND AGREEING. AND THIS IS NOT SIMPLY WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE. USE THE MONEY WE ALREADY HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I GET THE REIMBURSABLE PART. THE KNOW WHAT IT WAS, THE ONE SLIDE WHICH IS THE DECISION POINT SLIDE. WELL, THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT DECISION POINTS. >>LYNN HURTAK: THERE REALLY REASONABILITY, AS WE LEARNED. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NO, EXACTLY. >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS IS THE DECISION POINT. THIS IS IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: C.I.P. REALLY A DECISION POINT? >>LYNN HURTAK: IT IS, A CRITICAL DECISION POINT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: NOT A CRITICAL OF HOW IT IS FINANCED. >>LYNN HURTAK: IT IS SAYING WE ARE WILLING TO DO THE PROJECT AND EVERYBODY HAS TO READ IT SUPER CAREFUL LEGAL TO DECIDE IF THIS IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO OR POSTPONE IT TO THE 27th. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANT THE ADMINISTRATION TO SAY -- I NEED TO BUILD A STOP SIGN. WE NEED TO BUILD A STOP SIGN AND COST US $1,000 AND WE WILL BONDS IT. JUST SPELLED OUT AS SIMPLE AS CAN BE OPINION. >>LYNN HURTAK: TO THEIR CREDIT, THEY ACTUALLY DO DO IT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I KNOW THEY DOE. IT IS CONFUSING FOR ME. >>LYNN HURTAK: THEY PUT IT ON THE SUMMARY SHEET. AND I ASKED FOR AND THEY PROVIDE. HAVE A FISCAL IMPACT AND IS HE YES. NO A STRING OF NUMBERS WHERE IT CAME FROM, BUT WHERE CAN TAME FROM AND THE ACTUAL PLACE IT IS COMING IN ENGLISH. CLENDENIN . >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT THAT WHEN WE TALK OF THESE THINGS, THEY ARE VERBALLY EXPRESSED. PAPERS AND NUMBERS. >>DENNIS ROGERO: I SEE THAT, EXCEL EN EXAMPLE, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. BUT WE VIEW YOU THIS AS A -- IT MAY SOUND A LITTLE, I DON'T KNOW, ULTRAVIOLET, BUT AS PROCESS OF CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT. IF THERE IS A MISUNDERSTANDING AND MS. COMMUNICATION OF THE WAY WE ARE PRESSING THE INFORMATION, THERE ARE SR. WHAT WE NEED TO HEAR TO PRESENT IT IN A BETTER WEIGH FOR THE LAYPERSON. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: BACK BEFORE COUNCIL AND A LOT OF CONFUSION ON PROJECTS AND WE CONTINUE TIME PROVE -- LIKE YOU SAID A CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT PROJECT AND DON'T WAKE UP IN SURPRISE THAT SAY, GOSH, I WAKE UP AND VOTED FOR THAT AND I DON'T BELIEVE I VOTED FOR THAT. I DON'T WANT TO THAT COUNCILPERSON SO SAY I VOTED FOR THAT AND UNAWARE THAT I VOTED FOR IT. >>DENNIS ROGERO: UNDERSTOOD. WE WANT YOUR EYES WIDE OPEN TO THE EXTENT THAT SOME OF THESE REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTIONS BACK LITTLE COMPETITIVE BECAUSE WE WANT COUNCIL AND THE PUB TO HAVE THE WHOLE PICTURE CLENDENIN CLENDENIN ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK? >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT BRINGS UP A REALLY GOOD POINT. NORTHWEST CAPITAL DISCUSSION TODAY AND THAT IS CLAY THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE, A LITTLE MORE CAPITAL DISCUSSION. WE HAD SOME, BUT, LIKE, OVERALL, SEEING THE -- IT WILL SHALL GREAT TO HAVE LIST OF PROJECTS THAT ARE NEW TO THE CAPITAL SECTION -- >> WE HAVE CAPITAL COMING IN ON THE 11th AT 9 A.M. >>LYNN HURTAK: BOTH. GENERAL FUND AND OPERATIONS IN KAMENTD. NEXT WEEK IS ENTERPRISE OPERATIONS AND CAPITAL. SO I THINK IT WILL BE USEFUL FOR IN ALL OF THESE BUDGET MEET TO HAVE A LIST OF THE NEW CAPITAL PROJECTS WOULD YOU LIKE TO BRING. SO FOR ENTERPRISE, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT. FOR GENERAL FUND AS WELL, SORE THAT WAY WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT IS COMING AND OBVIOUSLY I SUGGEST READING IT ALL. BUT IF NOT, AT LEAST KNOWING WHAT THEY HAVE PROJECTED FOR SOMETHING NEW. ALSO WITH STORMWATER, WE KIND OF HAVE THOSE DISCUSSION WITH STORMWATER ANYWAY OR AT LEAST KIND OF 70 THE TABLE FOR THAT. I WOULD REMISS IF I DIDN'T ADDED THAT HERE DOOR. >>DENNIS ROGERO: UNDERSTOOD. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: ONE THE LEARNING CURVINGS AS CHAIR. PAR, A DIME THAT PEOPLE WOULD COME UP AND PITCH THE PROJECTS AND GIVE US A PRESENTATION. I THINKING THAT PROBABLY AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THAT WOULD PROBABLY WILL BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE WAY TO CONDUCT THE BUSINESS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE DEPARTMENT HEADS COME UP AND GIVE THE PRESENTATION. TALK WHAT THE WANTS, NEEDS AROUND DESIRES AND -- RATHER THAN US TAKING SHOTS IN THE DARK. WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS I WILL GO HOME AND HAVE HUNDREDS QUESTIONS. TO BE FULL LEGAL TRANSPARENT AND FULL, YOU KNOW, HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING SO WE DON'T WALK AWAY WITH ANY CONFUSION AND WILL BE THE BETTER PROCESS HERE. COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. >>LYNN HURTAK: I HAVE ONE MORE TOPIC WE WEREN'T ABLE TO BRING TODAY AND THAT IS HOUSING. AND MISS FEELEY HAS ALREADY LEFT. AND MY INTEREST IS YOU ARE CUTTING THE HOUSING BUDGET BY $5 MILLION, WHERE COVINCELY, $5 MILLION MORE IN PAVING. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS WHERE THAT CAME FROM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE WE ANTICIPATE PUTTING -- WHAT IF IT IS AS BREAKDOWN OF WHERE WE WANT THAT HOUSING MONEY? I CAN LOOK FOR IT, BUT I AM SUPER CONCERNED AS WE GO FORWARD. AND THINGS AREN'T AS WE SEE MORE LAYOFFS COMING AS MORE EXPENSE FOR HOUSING COMES, I THINK WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER NEED -- WE STILL -- WE HAVE STILL NOT TOUCHED THE NEED FOR HOUSING IN THIS COMMUNITY, SO IT CONCERNS ME WE ARE CUTTING THE BUDGET BY H HALF. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. >>LUIS VIERA: I WILL BE SENDING OUT A MEMO, BUT PORTICO, WONDERFUL METHODIST CHURCH HAS SECULAR ARM. NO THOMAS JEFFERSON ISSUES THAT ARE WORKING ON VERY GOOD AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS. AND BRINGING IT TO COUNCIL AND ADMINISTRATION AND THE CITY AND NOT VERY EXPENSIVE WITH #M 90,000 AND $100,000 AND GO WITH HELPING PEOPLE THAT WE ALL WANT TO HELP. AND WE ALL DOLL WONDERFUL WORK ON THAT. SOME A SNEAK PREVIEW, COMING ATTRACTIONS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: JUST TO CLEAR ITS QUESTION ASKEDY EWELL YOU HAVE OF THIS. 25-14353. I AM GOING TO ASK THE CLERK AGENCIES OFFICE TO PUT IT AS AN AACCIDENT DUMB TO THE AUGUST 7 -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN THERE ARE WAS CONTINUED FROM THE LAST REGULAR MEETING. >>DENNIS ROGERO: FRIEND JUNE 15 AND MAY 5. >>MARTIN SHELBY: QUESTION IF TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. LET ME SHARE TO A CONCERN THAT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION. IF YOU, IN EFFECT, WALK IT ON. BECAUSE IT THE NOT SET ON THE DRAFT AERJ THAT WAS ALREADY OUT. MY UNDERSTANDING. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS, IT WILL APPEAR ON THE ADDENDUM THAT GETS PUNT ON ON E-MAIL AND GETS POSTED. BUT THE BACK-UP MATERIAL WON'T BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. I DON'T KNOW NOTICE CLERK'S OFFICE IS ABLE TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE. IN THAT CASE ONLY AVAILABLE FOR A DAY OR TWO. ONLY QUESTION FOR COUNCIL. UP TO THE ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE IF TIME OF THE EN SENSE, IT CAN BE DONE AND BEST PRACTICE WILL BE TO PUNT IT ON FOR THE 28th AND THAT KIKSZ IT DOWN THE ROAD SEVERAL WEEKS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HEAR FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: SOMETHING QUITE CONSEQUENTIAL AND EXPENSIVE. DO YOU WANT THE PUBLICING TO HAVE THE BACK-UP MATERIAL FOR THIS. WON'T BE AVAILABLE NUMBER THE 28th. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IS THIS TIME CRITICAL TESTIMONY. WILL THE 28 WORK? >>DENNIS ROGERO: THE 28th WILL WORK. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WE WILL MAKE SURE IT IS ON THE AUGUST -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: COULD YOU WORK THROUGH ON BASE TO GET ON -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SUBMIT IT FOR THE 28th AGENDA. >>DENNIS ROGERO: THANK YOU FOR SURFACING THAT. WE WANT TO YOU HAVE AND BE COMFORTABLE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK WE FINISH THE BUSINESS OF THE -- WILL YOU LIKE TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT? WE WILL OPEN IT UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. CHIEF OF STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY? >>JOHN BENNETT: GOOD AFTERNOON, JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE MEETING COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC'S EXPECTATION ON WHAT WE CALL THE NONMOTION MOTIONS, THINGS THAT WERE ASKED FOR, DATA, GRAPHICS. ARE WE EXPECTING THOSE TO SHOW UP ON MONDAY SINCE THIS WAS THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT SESSION? OR AT THE HEARINGS? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN I ASK TO YOU WORK MISS COPESKY. WE CAN COMMUNICATE WITH HER. >>JOHN BENNETT: YOU WANT THEM SERVE BACK OFFICE OR COME BACK TO COUNCIL? >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I THINK COME OF THOSE WILL COME BACK TO COUNCIL, YES. I THINK SOME OF THOSE ARE REQUESTED TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL. >>JOHN BENNETT: I'M TRYING TO HELP STAFF HAVE A TIMELINE. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I HAD ASK ANOTHER DOCUMENT THAT TO KEEP TRACK OF IT. SO BETWEEN -- BETWEEN MYSELF, MR. SHELBY, MISS COPESKY AND MAYBE YOU ALL COMMUNICATING THROUGH, WE CAN ALL WORK THAT OUT. Y YOU. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL STATE ATTORNEY. WORKING WITH MISS COPESKY, FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU CAN AND WILL BE ABLE TO BE BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL THROUGH E-MAIL AND DISTRIBUTED IN ADVANCE OF TIME. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS TALKING WITH MR. VASKE, THAT ANY OF THESE THAT WILL COME BACK WILL HAVE TO BE RAISED DURING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. >>JOHN BENNETT: THAT WAS MY EXPECTATION AS WELL AS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY UNDERSTANDING IT WILL NOT BE REDISCUSSED NEXT WEEK. TOTALLY DIFFERENT TOP OFFICS, IS THAT CORRECT? >>LYNN HURTAK: SO -- AND THAT IS FINE. MY ONLY REQUEST IS THAT THAT -- THAT THE INFORMATION IS PROVIDED AT LEAST A WEEK BEFORE THE -- BY -- BY E-MAIL BEFORE THAT FIRST PUBLIC HEARING. BECAUSE THAT IS NOT -- I MEAN, ANY -- ANY TIME. IF YOU WERE DONE WITH SOMETHING, SEND IT TO US, THAT WAY WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT. BUT, AGAIN, I WILL WORK WITH MISS COPESKY ON -- >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MOVE QUICK TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAVE TWO MINUTES TO GET OUT OF HERE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE HAVE SOME CLEANUP. NOT A MOTION. IT IS GOING TO BE PUT ON THE -- THE MOTION IS TO REQUEST THE ADMINISTRATION -- NOT THE MOTION -- THE REQUEST TO HAVE THE ADMINISTRATION TO ADD IT TO THE AUGUST 28 CALENDAR. ITEM 2 IS SET -- JUST CONFIRM. ITEM 2 WAS SUPPOSE TO BE BROUGHT BACK ON AUGUST 11 AT 9 A.M. ON THE EARLY MORNING -- >> NOT ABOUT THE STORMWATER. I PROMISE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE NONPROFITS. SOCIAL ACTION FUNDING. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: AUGUST 11 DURING THE 9 A.M. HE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: CLERK WANTEDED TO CONFIRM THAT. LAST ITEM. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES, MA'AM, STATE YOUR NAME. >> STEPHANIE POYNOR. NOT ABOUT STORMWATER BUT THE ONLY SHEET FROM REVENUE FUND THAT I HAD FROM LAST YEAR. LAST YEAR HAD THE ACCOUNT NUMBERS ON THEM. THIS YEAR'S DO NOT. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THEY WENT? BECAUSE IT IS EXTREMELY HELPFUL TO BE LOOKING FOR NUMBERS WHEN MISS COPESKY HAD PUT IN THE NUMBERS. AND I -- I SAT BACK THERE CAN FOR 45 MINUTES DIGGING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THE NUMBERS WERE SHE PRESENTED I AM NORTHWEST FAULT ING HER. TOOK ME LONGER TO FIND THE INCHING MUCH LESS THAN THE FOLKS IN THE CITY.TAMPA. I AM NOT FAULTING ANYONE ALREADY BUT I AM POINT OUT AN OBVIOUS ISSUE. OUR CI FIREWORKS LAST YEAR. FELL OUT ON THE FLOOR I HAD TO SIT DOWN -- FOUR PAGES. LOOK HOW SMALL -- NOT EVEN FULL PAGES INFORMATION. THEY ARE LIKE TWO-THIRDS OF A PAGE. NOT EVEN A WHOLE PAGE. BUT THIS ONE THIS YEAR IS SEVEN PAGES LONG. AND EVERY ONE THESE PAGES IS SLAP BACK FULL. I MEAN ALL THE WAY FULL TO THE VERY ENDS. AND I FINALLY FOUND THOSE NUMBERS HAMS THAT MISS COPESKY WAS USING, AT LEAST OF TWO THE THREE IN THIS REPORT. SO THIS -- NOT EASY TO MANIPULATE. I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT PARKS FOR A MINUTE. I ASKED FOUR OR FIVE TIMES IN MY AGENDA REVIEWS TO KNOW THE DISTRICTS OF THE PARKS. WE TALKED YOU HAVE NORTH DISTRICT, SOUTH DISTRICT. I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYBODY SPEND MONEY IN THE SOUTH DISTRICT. I CAN MAKE A GUESS. HOW MUCH OF THE $80 MILLION HAS BEEN PAID BACK AT THIS POINT. AND I AM WITH COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK. 80 AND 50 IS $130. NOT 105. I WANT TO POINT OUT -- WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT FEES, OR TALKING OF TAXES AND WHY WE SHOULD REALLY PAY TAXES. I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW NOBODY IN THE CITY OF TAMPA THINK THAT WE PAY TOO LITTLE TAXES. IF WE CAN GET OUR DUCKS IN THE ROW ABOUT MOBILITY, JUST THIS -- OKAY THERE ARE 25023. URN PRESENTED A -- A MOBILITY REPORT WAS DONE. AND IT NEVER GOVERNMENT PRESENTED AT COUNCIL. SO IN 2024, HOME RUN WE RAISED THOSE FEES BY $6,000 WHICH IS SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN ANY THE OTHER COUNTIES WE ARE COMPARING OUR 70s TO. WE WOULD HAVE GOT VSH AN EXTRA $5 MILLION IN FY '24. THIS YEAR IN FY '25. WOULD HAVE GOTTEN $3.3 MILLION. IF BE START RAISING THE FEES. KNOW IT WAS GAL BUKSHPANHORN'S POLICY NEVER RAISE FEES FOR BUILDERS AND DEVELOPERS. WATER CONNECTION FEES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN RAISED SINCE I WAS IN MIDDLE SCHOOL. WE HAVE ALL THESE FEES LIKE THE $2.5 MILLION THAT GOT LOST LAST WEEK. BUT WE ARE LEAVING MONEY ON THE TABLE EVERY SINGLE WEEK. WE DON'T HAVE TO RAISE TAXES IN ORDER TO HAVE THAT HAPPEN. WE NEED TO BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE AND KEEP STOP SUBSIDIZING DEVELOPMENT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU, A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITH THINGS ON THE AGENDA AND DIRECTIONS TO THE CLERK, I HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT I WILL BE ASKED FOR A MOTION TO HAVE ITEM NUMBER 2 TO BE SEPTEMBER FOR THE NEXT ITEM AT. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HOW DO YOU WE THAT THAT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: A MOTION AND A SECOND AND VOTE ON THIS. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA. SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU WANT TO, A MOTION OF COUNCIL TO REQUEST THE ADMINISTRATION TO ADD NUMBER 3 TO THE -- TO THE AUGUST 28. >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. SECONDED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE, OPPOSED. NOW CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. I MADE MOTION ANYWAY. MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.