Go ahead. Get ready. Call the meeting to order. We'll start with a roll call. McKe here. Lantern >> here. >> Uh Friedrich >> here. >> Narramp >> here. >> Nicholls >> here. >> All right. Like to stand and join me in the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All righty. On to agenda approval. Um, is there anything from staff? Any changes? Uh just we had had those two sess uh closed session items and it's now only one other than that no other changes. >> Okay. Anything from councel? >> If not I will entertain a motion to approve the agenda as amended with uh just one close session. >> I'll make that motion. >> Second. >> All righty. Uh all those in favor say I. >> I give me one second. I don't think my >> I was wasn't sure about that either. Can you guys hear us? >> Test one two three. Test. Hello. Hello. Hello. >> Ci. Ci. >> Oh, what's up there? >> I kind of hear a little echo >> as Mark would say. Ber. >> Well, as long as it seems like it's getting picked up on the recording and everyone can hear us, >> we should be good. >> All righty. >> Uh, no presentations today. Uh, open forum for anything not on today's agenda. So, at this time, if anybody has anything that they'd like to uh talk about, please bring a card up to me and then uh you'll have three to five minutes to address your issue to the council. I received no cards, Mr. Mayor. Okay. >> No emails, no phone calls. >> Easy enough. If there's not anyone, then we will move on to consent agenda, which consists of items 6A through 6 N. Does anyone want to pull anything? >> If I could, uh, Mr. Mayor. >> Yep. If I could pull E, F. >> Okay. >> I think that's the only two I wanted. >> I had E and F. And I'll also pull G >> and H2, please. >> And H. Okay, >> there we go. >> And uh so then I will entertain a motion to approve consent agenda items A through D and I through N. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Okay. Um Uh E Dean, do you wanna? >> Yeah. Um our community is awesome. Um the holiday toy and food drive, Toys for Tots donations, everything that happened. Thank you everybody. Thanks staff. Um everybody that uh appeared either in person or thought about us while we got wet and >> Winter Wonderland and the parade and stuff. It was a blast, you guys. Um, I did also want to recognize, and I think I did already once, but I want to do it again, public works for staying home and cleaning up our roads the next day. Um, I know how involved they usually are with that. Uh, with the parade and stuff and uh it just everything went well. We did f just fine with Autumn and thank them for doing what they did the following day as far as the snowfall that came down. So, um, that's number one. I'll do E and F together if I could. >> Sure. >> Um, the police department shop with a cop. Thank our police department and what they do and how they do it. Um, that means a lot to the people affected and such. Um, it's neat what our community, our our municipal community here, our employees here do, and then obviously the support from our neighbors and all of the citizens in town here. Thank you all very very much. If uh nobody has anything else to say, >> could I just say one thing? >> Go ahead. So So I just wanted to throw this out because uh you you might be aware that it happened, but I think the details are pretty helpful for the public and those who are watching online. Uh so so the holiday toy and food drive uh for the community was able to collect 2,030 pounds of food, 156 pounds of toys, and $2,400 in monetary donations. And then when you look at the toys for tots, I just wanted to call out some of the people that are that are stepping up in the community. So, the Eert Construction, the Eert family, the Corkran Lions, the Northwest Area JC's, the Stansion, the Life Assembly Church, the Maple Grove HY, and the Maple Grove Target. Uh, all all of those organizations plus plus other private donors uh changed the lives of a whole lot of families this Christmas. And so thankful, thankful for that. >> Mr. Mayor, just real quick, thank you, Jade. Um, I don't know if we had it broken out as far as contributions and stuff, but I The one further I'd like to do is the stansion over $16,000 in the uh celebrity bartender evening there. And uh >> that's that's huge. And if you did not see, I was able to actually meet up with them at Target. >> Um nearly 50 shopping carts full of toys. Um, we loaded up a a pretty large trailer, took them to the stansion, and then unloaded them in the stansion, and there was toys everywhere for 4 days. So, um, pretty cool what what that team does there along with everything we do here and all the names that you just gave. But that that's a big deal. It beat last year's numbers by more than $4,000 in contributions. So, pretty cool. >> Very cool. Thanks for highlighting that. Anything else on that? Otherwise, I will entertain a motion to approve consent agenda items G and F and do that. >> So moved. >> Do I have a second? >> Second. >> All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Perfect. >> And then I had G, which I believe, if I have my Yes, I do. Um, just wanted to thank Council Member Nichols for his donation to the uh, is it the how do we word it? See my legacy. I think you're the third to donate to it. So, >> I was inspired by a 2-year-old. >> My son, >> I think was the first donor. >> My uh, no, the second. JCB corrected me on that. JCB was first. >> Okay. >> Logan, my son, was second and you are third. So, >> bronze medal. >> There you go. and uh we appreciate all the donations. So, thank you. >> And we can use more. So, for those who aren't aware of the See My Legacy program, uh it allows those who are interested to donate funds either for specific projects in the park or just in general in order to try and help get amenities that we otherwise couldn't afford >> for sure. And with that, I'll entertain a motion to approve consent agenda 6G. >> So, move. >> Second. >> All those in favor say I. Hi. >> Okay. And then H. >> Yeah. I just I had a really quick question. Um I love that we're adding a new event for all the events that the city's doing. Um I just had a question because I think the Northwest JC's also does a trunker tweeter trunk and are we doing a coordination with them or don't they do that anymore? >> I'm just double checking so we don't have two events that are happening at the same time. >> Yeah, we can we can certainly check on that. Uh I the day that we're proposing a Thursday evening. So I that may help with any conflict, but we'll double check that. I um the intention is not to have an event on the same day as their event if they're still having one. >> Yeah. And I I don't know which day it is, but I think they do do I'm just unless they don't do it anymore, but I'm pretty sure they did have one. >> We can double check on that. I know JCB is aware of this and I feel like she would know if they are. >> Yeah, she's part of participates with Jason. >> It doesn't come up on their main list of events, but we can have her dig into that. >> Okay, >> perfect. Any other questions? >> Then I'll entertain a motion to approve consent agenda 6H. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Perfect. And that completes consent agenda. So, we will move on to planning business, which we have a concept uh plan for the springs at Corkran. Um, and we'll start with just a uh public comment opportunity. Um, so if you'd like to speak on this item, um Jay, is it three three or five for the east? I forget. Minute. >> Say that one more time for public >> three or five minute public. >> It's 325 minutes. >> Okay, perfect. Um, if you'd like to come up, state your name and address for the record and and uh the mics are yours. >> We have three comment cards, uh, Mr. Mayor. And the first one would be Miss Kimoda. >> My name is Kim. I live at 1957. And I wanted to discuss a few things. I went through the 80s that were on the agenda for the spring and There were a few comments in the planning thing throughout. I know I five minutes I got first thing and I wanted to talk about the three different trails that they touched on. The first one being the Three Rivers Diamond Lake extension. Um I know some of you probably know originally was on the other side of 116 but then was moved into Bell Weather back in 2021 before there was any bell weather. Then it was moved to go through Hunter Ridge which had got moved because they want to further up. So, it's even more within the community. And there's a possibility that now I understand, I'm not sure where it lands, but it could go within six feet of one of my neighbors uh dining room windows. And um we just want to propose that when they do search that they take into consideration the location of where that goes. The second one they touched on the offroad that was proposed to go through the streams area and how they now want to possibly move it to align with the diamond lake trail. So again, the same concerns there um with that. Not sure if that's the best, you know, bell weather. I'm sure you all know we're 55 and over. We're old people. Our trails are used by people with wheelchairs, canes, walkers. Some of us are able to still move around. We don't move fast. So people bikes or whatever. I understand none of these are motorized trails which are all great, but just also keep that in mind that there are older people into we aren't necessarily going to use beyond the bell weather area. The third one that was mentioned in there is said continental willing to work with the snowmobile uh group to figure out how they're going to handle that because first appreciate that it was earlier this year and it has been very nice where that it was moved and a great relief. I still have a few times where I've been woken up at 1:30 in the morning because you can post a 25 hour speed limit, but when the bar is closed, they're going to pull out across the field or whatever, but it's much better than it would have been. And I appreciate that it was considered whenever they're going to figure out how to read readjust it again where it's going to go. We as it not be along our property line because right now it's probably I'm guessing about 175 200 feet away, not the 250 normal, but it's better than less than 50 where it would have been. Much better. Um, so if it's still going to come out of the woods, please let it go south towards 30 and north towards our um, second thing that I wanted to address is our grove of trees that we have behind our homes right there on that will be on the border to the spring development. It was um briefly touched the point in the presentation online and I just want to make a plea to you if there's any way to make that preserved area. We love trees. save our world, save the patient a little bit and that and they also touched on trying to resone the little error between the trees in our lot line and I really don't want to see a reasonzoning from less than 50 ft where currently is for business part to 35 ft for commercial where it's just so that they can build closer to our property would like that very much considered for that not to be changed Then in regards to the springs itself, um just very appreciative that there's already a meeting set up for February 5th to work with homeowners concerns regard because these we have three houses right that move back right to it or adjacent to it. And we have uh safety, privacy, noise, lights, just all kinds of things to to address. I think there's means for us all to work together and hopefully come to a mutually agreeable solution to it all, but just want to make sure that you know there's 294 units. I know it could have been a lot more based on what I've read could have been in that area. So, we're thankful for that. And that's a two stories. That's also wonderful. Not a fivetory building behind us. Appreciate that a lot. Um hoping that the distribution is equal throughout the development. That's a little hard to these early plans. Um hoping that the four buildings that are right really that affect us aren't like all the three unit three um bedroom ones that they're evenly distributed studios one two three bedroom so that we don't have the density of the whole population in our back corner. Um curious. It's hard to tell on the map what the actual distance for the eight car parking garage and the first of those buildings back to us. I know they have the different codes and where they should be, but it's hard to tell what they're actually planning. >> Kim, we're just about at five minutes. If >> y um it does look like on the side by the trees that they're extending partially into the trees on that back lot. And Let's try to preserve as many of the trees as we can. Um I've said that we do think there's possible resolutions between BMS, fences, landscaping, all kinds of ideas to throw out there when we meet and hopefully we can figure out things. Um I know there's some universal guidelines for when single family homes touch up to apartments with perimeter buffers or parking buffers, that type of thing. Thank everybody for letting me I'm not looking for I'm here looking for your compassion and what's right in 2026, not what was felt right in 2021. Let's all try to work together for each other, not look for legal loopholes and um way to make things happen just because we legally can or whatever. Let's try to work together and be a community. Uh we're retired people. We care about our homes and our upkeep and we don't know what we'll move into apartment buildings and there's usually stepping grounds for them to move on. We want to make sure that we're protecting our property value. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> You get your name and address for the record. My name is Hill. I live at 1952. So my house is at the corner right there at the corner of the so everything that happens in the springs will affect me first. Uh Jim second and Linda third because we're right at that corner. Um I would just like to uh be informed about what's happening. I'd like to make sure that there are barriers around the construction area protecting our properties and us our yards are tiny. I do a lot of landscaping. I want to make sure that that's not damaged during this process and beyond. I really like to encourage the builders to place physical barriers around that area. Um I know that there are going to be kids and teenagers and dogs and people back and forth through that property, which they should if that's where they live. I just would like them not to be in my backyard at, you know, midnight on Saturday night. I had a teenager. I know what they do. She's a great kid now. Um, but I know that she got into some antics when she was younger, and I would just like to discourage the kids and the animals from ending up So, I would just like to be informed about that whole process. I'd like us protected. Um, as Kim said, I hope we've done the snowmobile trail discussion and that's over with. That was way too close to our houses. And I'll just reiterate that we're retired people who moved into Bell to live a quiet, calm, peaceful life. And we're pretty much crime free at this point. and we would really like that. Thanks for your time. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Last one is perfect. >> Hi, I'm 195. Thank you. Okay. Anyone else? >> No other comment. >> Perfect. Then we will move on to the um presentation. Mr. Mayor, just quick folks, you're you're talking a lot of specifics. >> You need to I hope you all realize and if I'm incorrect, Natalie, let obviously let me know. This is a concept plan. This is the beginning of it all. So, just FYI. So, thank you for your input. >> Thank you. So, this is the springs at Core Grant is the name of the development and as you said, this is a concept plan and it's a concept for a PUD proposal. The applicant for the concept plan is Continental and they are soliciting feedback from council on the PUD concept plan for the property at 19330 County Road 30 which is just west of Mama's. The proposal includes a 294 unit market rate apartment community that's primarily focused on the west half of the overall site. So it's approximately and then approximately 34.5 gross acres would be reserved for future commercial development on the east half. This is the current rendition of the concept plan. And I just wanted to point out there are a number of public streets that would run through this. Uh so we I think it actually comes out for the full concept including the commercial. Right now it looks about six roads that would either be extended or constructed as a part of the overall concept. Uh with the main access coming from County Road 30 and having a connection to County Road 101 as well. Uh so the site overall is 67.21 acres. Most of the site is guided for mixed use and zone general mixed use. And then for this the 2040 comp plan assumes up to half the net acres will be developed with a residential density of 8 to 30 units per acre. Uh and the rest is really for commercial. A portion of the site is adjacent to Mama G's and the is guided for commercial and zone community uh C2 community commercial. So as I said most of it is this general mixed use which is this light pink color and then where we see Mama G's in the red and black stripe that is a C2 district. The whole site's located within the northeast district and the general idea of this proposal has been presented to the city both in 2022 but the area was concentrated on the east half of the site or for the residential area was concentrated on the east portion of the site and then we looked at this again in April 2025 uh with additional discussions that have been taking place in terms of um how this fits in with our economic goals. So prior council feedback, the most recent council feedback that we received, there was an interest expressed in looking at an east to west residential alignment along the north where it would border the site borders bellweather um while increasing commercial presence along county road 30. The applicant did do their due diligence to look at the feasibility of this and came to the conclusion that it really would not allow for them to keep a connected residential community. They felt the streets that that would really result in a jointed product that doesn't align with their goals. Uh so they are asking that we reconsider allowing um reconsider allowing this north to south alignment on the west portion for the residential community. Uh the current proposal is also different in that it is a planned unit development being proposed whereas before we were looking at addressing flexibilities either through variances or zoning ordinance amendments to simplify that we're now looking at just a PUD. So the focus of this concept plan and the discussion is really looking at those PUB flexibilities and public benefits is currently proposed uh because that's one of the main requirements of a concept plan for a PUB. That's what the biggest part that we want to look at so that there are no surprises on the back end. The feasibility study was initiated by the applicant and is anticipated to be completed at the end of January. That is currently being worked on through engineering looking at the road alignment and um that'll also feed into how the improvements are phased. They're looking at more than the road alignment. I apologize. They're also looking at um what else you guys looking at? >> All infrastructure. So, roads, >> sewer, water primarily. >> All right. Thank you. So, uh again, just the overview of the overall site, we have 294 market rate rental units being proposed in 14 two-story buildings. Uh just to answer one of the questions, uh each building would have a similar mix of units. They do describe that in their narrative and feel free to correct me wrong, do your own presentation, but just wanted to call that out that it wouldn't be has all the studios. It would be each building has a mix of different unit types. Uh the they are supposed to be a town home style unit with each unit having either a private or a semi-private entrance. Uh but they they're a little different than a usual town home in that they are stacked units. Um five future commercial lots are conceptually planned on the east side. And then um just wanted to Oh, and there I'm sorry. The residential community also includes a clubhouse, pool, attached and detached garages, and then several internal pedestrian connections, uh, basically private trails that they're proposing. As far as the net acreage, as we compare this against the GMU and mixeduse land use guidance in our comprehensive plan, uh, net acreage wise, the residential portion is on approximately 25.4 net acres with a density of 11.57 units per acre. So this is about 69% of the site that is in the mixeduse designation whereas uh the commercial portion that falls under the mixeduse zoning would be about 11.57 net acres which is about 31%. So the goal that we lie out in our comp plan is a 50/50 assumption. Uh I would say the number of units is definitely in the range anticipated for the site overall, but it's just the residential portion does have a larger footprint than what we had anticipated. Um we can certainly deviate from that, but we just want to make sure that that is something that we are comfortable doing. Um just because uh we did do that with hope as well. Um and so we're basically saying that we're comfortable doing that with other mixeduse developments coming in as well. >> Mr. Yeah, >> Natalie, you just said that that how did you just say it? The number of >> the number of units >> units. >> Yep. Fall within the range. So, basically, if we >> falls in the range, but the footprint is too big for those number units. So, >> not that it's too big. The footprint's larger than what we would have anticipated if we stayed true to that 50/50. With hope, we deviated from that 5050. I don't know exactly by how much, but I know that it wasn't quite 50/50 either with hope, >> but the only way to do what you're saying would have been higher density apartment building, multilevel, all of that stuff. Correct. And this keeps it close to the ground. So, thank you. >> Yeah. So, we as a city can decide that this does still meet the intent even though it's not quite that 50/50. We just want to be conscientious that >> this is just another I like the pictures on this one provided. So just another visual of the concept plan with some different um examples of the product type and they even had a couple of commercial examples too and that's included in the packet. >> Natalie, real quick on those pictures, they they look familiar to me. Are those other continental developments and such? >> Believe so. I've been to I've been to I think two of them and the metro area and great great thinking outside the box folks just saying it straight up. So thank you. >> So um the it was about a 30-page staff report. So I'm going to try to keep this really limited to the about I think it was about five focus questions that I had. One of them being the parks and trails that was brought up. So, our 2040 comp plan does identify a planned off-road trail along the western portion of the site. An off-road trail is not currently shown in the concept. Uh, and staff staff is evaluating this knowing where the Diamond Lakes Regional Trails now plan to come, which would be through that business park parcel to the west. um wondering if it does make sense for us to deviate from our comp plan as well to have uh this really be a part of the Diamond Lake Regional Trail with it going closer to Malberry Lane. Um so that was something we'd like to get feedback on because that will also help with the parks and trails commission when they look at this as well in the future. >> Natalie, and I'm sorry I'm going to keep interrupting, but >> No, that's fine. That original trail was to go almost dead center through the Bellweather property before Bellather was even brought in. So that that has changed numerous times. So cool. Our flexibility is there. >> Yes. Yeah. These are these are fatline markers. Y um so it is not unusual for us to you know consolidate and um take opportunities where they arise but while keeping this framework in place. The intent of the trail would still be accomplished by having it go uh further west. Uh it's just that it would also take advantage of where we already have the Diamond Lake Regional Trail planned >> and and working with Three Rivers Park Districts. It's important like they they do big broad marker on where they like it. And for example, >> I think the recent one they said a mile either side of a certain line a mile a mile gives. So, so there's a lot of variables that determine exactly where it is as Natalie was talking about as development happens. But when when it was mentioning the tunnel or the the underpass on 116 that had to do with topography >> and and uh so all those things are taken into consideration in terms of why and where our trails land. >> Yeah, this will definitely um we don't need a final decision on tonight, but it just part of the overall exploration as to where this lands as the application moves forward. Uh so then the again the primary discussion point is really our PUD flexibility areas uh weighed against the PUD public benefits proposed. So they um staff identified some of these and then some of these were called out by the applicant. Uh but basically looking at consolidating uh the GMU standards and the C2 C2 standards for a single set of commercial standards. Some of the commercial properties would literally fall in both zoning districts otherwise and so it would have conflicting setbacks and requirements. So looking at uh getting a single set of commercial standards so when they are ready to move forward with the commercial side um we have a very clear framework to be able to evaluate those sites as they come in. Uh wave the requirement for first floor units in the GMU to have a entrance and a private courtyard. We did do that for hope as well. Uh and handle a conditional use permit for multiple multifamily buildings on a single lot. They h and um if we go I can go back to this slide just to explain what I'm talking about. So this one well actually all of them all of them will have at least two multifamily buildings on each lot instead of having each building on a single lot. Uh so that is in our code with the CUP, but uh it would be cleaner to have that as part of the PUD approvals. Um if that's something that we would like to approve, allow accessory structures in excess of a thousand square feet on each lot. So in the GMU, you you can have on one lot you can have up to 1,000 square feet as the footprint for an accessory structure. You can have no more. So that would not work with their detached uh garages that they're proposing. Uh allow accessory structures in the front yard. Uh if you look at the concept plan, there are definitely structures that would appear along would be technically in the front yard where the street frontage is. Um there really isn't another place to locate them. Just taking a quick look at it. Um >> what kind of structures? >> Oh, so there's a couple. So technically the clubhouse would be >> Oh, I see. Okay. Not. I got it. >> Yeah. So, technically the clubhouse would be an accessory structure. Uh there's a and then there's these detached garages that technically would be in the front yard as well. >> Um and up here as well. So, uh >> those up there in that corner, Natalie, that you just got to, those are structure facing, not in the backs to the Bellweather neighborhood and stuff. Right. >> Correct. Yeah. So, the the the garage doors would be facing >> to the south. Yep. Okay. >> And then one of the comments from the residents and stuff about all of the trees in that corner. There's no trees in that corner. It's all open space. The trees that are being talked about is the property on the >> wall. I think most of the trees are actually on the business park property to the west. That's right of our business park. However, we do require as things move forward, we would require a tree survey. That's typ typically something that we require. Yep. I'm just I'm just saying that the comment about >> I don't think there's anything from the aerial view. Correct. >> The comment about tree preservation, those trees are on a whole different property. There's nothing really up in that corner. And >> correct. One of one of our city maps showed maybe just a little bit on this property, but I don't think that that boundary currently exists. Either it's changed or our map wasn't quite spot-on accurate. Um, so that's that was called out because according to our map, there should be a high quality community there, but there isn't. So, at least or at least from the aerial view. So, we'd have to take a look at >> it. My experience back there doing hunting and stuff 40 years ago or 35 years ago, the trees that used to be there were actually cleared by Bellweather and then those properties to the north now off of my rough memory and stuff. Yeah, he used to go up to ste where ste has the trees. >> There used to be a whole whole uh forest through there and and many of them cleared and now houses are there. So just Okay, cool. Thanks. >> Um one of the requests is to reduce on-site parking from the the city code requirement of 647 stalls for the residential units down to 594 stalls. Uh, additionally, counting parking stalls towards the on-site requirement when they're located in front of a onecar garage. Our code, for some reason, only allows that when it's a twocar garage. Um, reduce the requirement for 50% of required parking stalls to be in a structure and uh move that requirement down to 17.3%. They're proposing 112 stalls that would be uh either in an attached or detached garage. And then clarify that the district plan prevails where it conflicts with the GMU standards. Again, we did that with hope just for clarity for when staff reviews the final plans that come in. Um, and then allow two freestanding signs for residential use within the general mixed use. Currently, we don't allow any freestanding signs and again we did allow that for hold as well. Um, and then the PUB public benefits. So, I tried to break I tried to break this down a couple different ways. The staff report tries to do like a a more complete analysis of how each one fits and then I summarized it in a table um that kind of which ones were possible versus maybe not as likely and then I'm going to group them in together under what's posed possible etc. So what was truly seems to be 100% accomplished with what they are proposing would be creation of open space using multi-story buildings. They have a number of uh semi-private courtyards that are created by the orientation and placement of the buildings. They have internal trail connections throughout the residential development. And then they have open spaces connected with green natural corridors. and they are proposing to use native plants in their landscaping. What was possible with the concept plan but either more information was needed or um it execution will ultimately be the final say. Uh there was nine public benefits that fall fell under this category. So that included things like placement of uses so as to integrate with adjacent uses. Um, and that I think was done well with how it goes with Mama G's and then how they've tried to have like a buffer between Bellweather and County Road 30 as best they could. Um, cal collaboration, there we go. Collaboration with adjoining land owners, an appropriate located neighborhood scale commercial office uses to name a few. There are a few more um some of them too. I think it's it also could be how the council interprets it. for example, does the council believe that these meet a higher architectural standard or is this the standard that we would just you think is good but not necessarily higher? So, um that would be a point of discussion for anything that you don't agree with quite um based on the staff report or um would like to see something more possible. Go ahead, >> Natalie. the the open space that you were just talking about. >> Is that upland open space or is that the wetland that you're referring to? >> I am talking about >> yard. >> Yeah, I hear I'm gonna Something's going on with my queue. I apologize. I'm gonna get to the screen. I'll try or the >> unplug. >> But I really wasn't talking about the wetland at all. Okay. >> We're talking about more along the prop. So they they have those courtyards connected by trails and then really along the edges of the property. Um they've made it usable again with the private trails that they're proposing that connect really to those uh internal private courtyards. Um let's see here. >> Yeah, if you can reconnect. I just like to have those pointed out on the sketch. I'm not seeing those features, so I'm wondering if I'm just missing what you're talking about. >> Okay, we I would be happy to. Let me >> know. really nice to just burn red right now. >> Why are you so angry at me? >> Our technology has been weird today. >> Thank you guys for coming. >> We've been talking to our contract guy >> who had blamed on everything from the magnetic fields that are impacting the world right now >> to the cold weather >> to it's Microsoft's fault. So, one of those three. >> Stop making stuff up. It's all Kevin's fault. So basically um the open space that I was Oh, where did my go? So the these courtyards that have pathways would be some open space and then they have um pretty much everything is connected. >> We don't see your cursor. >> Yeah. >> On the screen here. >> That's helpful. >> Right there. Jeremy, look. >> Laser pointer. >> There they Oh, that was a good blow up. I'd go back to that. I think that'll show you. >> It won't let me do the laser pointer when I do that. >> Um, >> between blow it back up quick >> between >> between seven and nine. >> Between seven and nine, all of those walking paths, those common areas are the upland courtyards. >> This this um step back area, they have the path go through these side areas here. Um, and there's Um then >> and then you were saying to Jeremy's question too, those are all private. >> These are private trails. Yes. >> How do they stay private when it's not a gated community? >> Well, I would say that they are private trails and that they are privately maintained. They are not a city-owned trail. They are not a city maintained. So, as far as what how they want to handle security on their site, that would be up to them. Um but the reality is the they would not be a city owned trail. There's no city and then and then thus the same as walking into bellweather. Those are public sidewalks, trails and stuff and those are here for used by the public. So okay. >> So I guess one question I would have I'm trying to visualize what those look like in reality and based on the photos that you showed before. Is that going to be, you know, sidewalk trail planted with ornamental trees, flowers, things like that? Or is this, you know, a sidewalk in a grassy area? >> Where are you talking about >> those courtyards? Like what is the design of that space? >> Or is it too early to say what the concept? >> I I would say it's too early in my review of it, but they may certainly have ideas. Um, and they they have a presentation as well, so I think that would be an excellent question for them. >> Thank you. Um, >> oh, there is a um, where did that go? A trail over here. >> So, this is what they're showing in one of the master plan concept visuals. So, I think Yeah. >> So, I'm imagining it's more like the one on the left since that's actually >> built >> or the one on the bottom left. Okay, >> that's helpful. Thank you. Okay. >> They probably won't have palm trees like that one had. >> You can always help. >> Except for one season. >> They would have they would have exploded at 30°. We're 20 below tonight. So >> So under possible, it looked to be possible but not currently proposed. I have three possible benefits that were within our policy as a city that included a a viable open space master plan, extensive internal landscaping, larger tree size. Uh their pl their narrative and plans were silent on these, but it could be theoretically something that they look to include. Um, and then some a benefit that is not captured in our policy uh that staff called out was the potential to work with Northwest Trails Association to identify and preserve a snowmobile corridor. Um, council should discuss whether or not that is desired. But that uh just knowing the the conversation that happened around that if that is something that we see as valuable >> I would just that happen based on the layout. I don't see any space for that from what we're seeing >> in conversation. It would there would have to be some sort of change to >> it would be in a different >> there's no way to go in there and I think Northwest Trails has even got a plan if something were to happen to this property. They've already got stuff ready to go without impeding on >> perfectly fine. I just knew that it went through this property and we had to move it and so I'm just wanted to call it out. I always encourage that if >> they've been extremely flexible over the 3540 years of this whole corner and stuff and and uh like I like they said at the last meeting, the actual snowmobile corridor went right up almost down Main Street Bellweather until Bell came in and it's all been modified and changed and it might even end up being one of those things where they they end up having to do something along County Road 30, but again they they've got to work with the county and stuff on that and then that stuff. But, uh, they have a beautiful location right now and apologize for our late night visitors, but I'll put in no good word for a little extra a little extra attention at closing time. >> They're wonderful. >> Yeah. Nope. >> They they don't want anybody hassling anybody. So, they they they pleased themselves very well. But uh I knowing what I know about them, they will work to do everything they can to preserve a trail somehow some way. But it doesn't look like it would be able to go between these two neighborhoods, Bellweather and this neighborhood. This neighborhood would come. I would just add that if there's something that we're not seeing that they figure out just to make sure that they're keeping in mind what the discussion we just had and the change we made to keep it further south from that property line with bellweather in mind. So if they do find a way to keep a trail through there that it's not moving it back to recreating that problem. >> Oh no I I definitely that was not a thought process. >> Right. No, I'm just I'm just saying it so in case they do figure something out >> further south along the property. I'm not opposed to it. I like Dean, I think it might it'll be tough, but if they can find something that works that doesn't conflict with that. >> Sure. >> Yeah. There their their whole thing would be obviously they they default to County Road 30 because it just it landlocks everything in in the direction that they've gone. And like I said, they've they've flexed so much over the years to accommodate land owners and and property and residents and stuff that uh great group of men and women out there trying to preserve snowmoing as one of our options in Corkran, but things are going to change in this corner. It may change >> when density hits a certain tipping point at some pace it actually becomes unsafe for drivers. So, so I experienced that in Shakipede as we had development going on in the southwest side and and it was hard but then recognizing and we found other ways to accommodate potentially other spaces and other places in the city in order for them to enjoy that recreation in ways that were safer. >> Yep. >> Because if it came along 30 with the present traffic that we have, uh, super dangerous. >> The 610 connected. Yeah. >> In the last two weeks there's been six cars in the ditch on the north side of 30. So, >> but you know, >> yeah, that's a fair point. >> You got to go out there right now. There might be another one. >> Quit pulling them out. Leave them there. >> 100 bucks is 100. >> Yeah. >> Um, so yeah, my came back >> thinking about it. >> Maybe >> there we go. >> Uh, I identified five of the benefits as unlikely uh or yeah unlikely just because there maybe wasn't something like that on the site. So for example, natural resources and features are retained. Uh this is not applicable to wetlands. It's more this is defined as more tree communities and there just really isn't any on here um because it's been a farmed piece of property. >> Yep. >> And then natural restoration work. It's unclear how that would be able to be incorporated. extraordinary environmental protection. While they are they did design consciously to preserve as many wetlands as possible, um I I don't think it's necessarily extraordinary. Um I I don't think that they would be able to retain all of it and still have a a site that would accomplish their goals. Um areas of parkland, woodland, or other open space above minimum and then innovation and utilization of new technologies. It just did not seem applicable to what their proposal includes. Um and then just six identified benefits in our policy that simply would not apply just because of the type of development it is. It's a mixeduse development. So some of the um benefits that we've identified more for single family housing uh it simply wouldn't apply here. So for the discussion points as a recap u looking for feedback on the trail alignment. I did get some of that, but if anyone else has anything to add. Uh, does the current proposal satisfy the intent of the mixeduse designation and the city's overall development goals? Whether the ground, this is kind of one that a smaller one that kind of got hidden in here. Um, their ground floor is supposed to be distinguished with an architectural feature. Awnings can be used and they do have some awnings on the first floor, but they're intermittent. Does does that work for us? Do we want to see more of a continuous awning or something else to really distinguish that first floor? Uh whether council is open to approving the use of fiber cement board as proposed. That's a material that we allow in the northeast district uh with a certain thickness. I believe it's a one quarter inch thickness. But it you also have there's a little bit of a caveat that the council is able to approve that. >> Have we done so elsewhere? We haven't done so elsewhere, but we haven't really received >> We haven't had the request. >> Yeah, we haven't really had the request yet. >> Um any desired discretionary standards not covered to promote general health, safety, and welfare. And then just an overall proposed PD flexibility is weighed against the benefits. >> Sounds good. >> And then for next steps, the applicant, we will be working with them to finalize the feasibility study. A neighborhood meeting is February 5th before the planning commission meeting here at city hall 5:30 to 6:30. That is a developer run meeting while staff may be present. Uh we are not running that meeting. And then application for preliminary plat preliminary PUD plan in resoning before application for a final plat and final PUD plan. Recommendation tonight is for council to review and discuss the concept plan. Provide the applicant with any informal comments. This would be nonbinding feedback. Uh and then the applicant also has prepared a presentation as well that they would like to share with you. >> Perfect. Um do you want to go back to those list that list quick of discussion topics if if you're still connected as you guys if you want to get ready do do you have a presentation you wanted to do? Perfect. I just had a couple quick things on there before you guys go. Um, did you get the So, you said you got the feedback you needed on the trail initial trail stop. >> Unless there's any anyone I I think what I'm hearing actually, you know what, maybe I do want to go over that. >> I was a little confused by what the ask was. >> So, basically, are we okay with it shifting west right now >> with it being Diamond Lake Trail? >> Yes. Basically, the this the leg of the trail that's currently shown in our comp plan. Yep. that would have to run through this site which they are not currently showing. Are we okay with that altogether just moving to the property west to connect to the Diamond Lake region? >> Can I can I clarify something? >> So I thought the Diamond Lake Regional Trail came about after the park plan laid out the internal trail network for the city. So it seems like the choice is really do we want to forego that trail because Diamond Lake will go nearby instead. So the Diamond Lake Regional Trail is going to be going to move >> has to move west >> from the west to the hope. Yeah. So this would be a north south leg to connect to that trail. So it' be a city trail that connects to that into that leg of the Diamond Lake Regional Trail. So I think we wouldn't necessarily be forgoing, but we would be looking to have that placed when the business property comes into the west. >> Okay. >> See where that is >> potentially. And that's essentially going up the hope property underneath >> the very west side of the Oswald to the south side of the Hunter Ridge neighborhood and then cut up right where you just had the pointer right there. Is that >> is that where the farmhouse? >> Yeah. So that's where the Dino Lake Regional Trail would be. So what we would be talking about north south leg that the city would own that would connect into that >> and instead of having it on this kicking it over to the left. >> Exactly. >> Yeah. I don't think that makes sense. >> Yeah. >> I mean I kind of struggle with it because when I look at this curvy road going through this development if that's picturesque that might be a lot better experience for a trail user than something that's going to cut through a business park depending on how the business park ends up defining their landscape requirements. Well, even that even so that business park if if we could ask to do some type of preservation where the pointer is right now in and up through those trees that would be a better experience than walking along a road in my mind. >> It would be >> I think yeah I agree with the trees and also >> that's a whole different conversation. It's not what we're talking about right other than a general location. >> Right. I agree agree with that what you said on the trees Dean and also where that would potentially go on that western site might break it up a little bit to give that business park a little bit of spacing from residential on this site and potentially to bellweather to the norththeast there. >> So if we you're seeing like the east side of that tree stand is that what you're visualizing? No, I think the potent Okay. Well, potentially because I think the trail's right here to >> That's Lind's house to her house right there that you were just >> Yeah. So, um I don't have a clear alignment other than generally having it connect to this regional trail and having it really be the north south alignment actually happening on this. Your question is move that trail to the west and the rest of the conversation is null and void because that's not in front of us tonight. A concept plan for the east side is >> yeah the final alignment would come in as we understand the site that we're working with more. It's more of do we see value in adding an off-road trail. I don't know where we would fit in an off-road trail on the site with what's currently proposed. I think it would end up being an on-road trail. >> Um, >> next to the main >> and then where is it connecting to? Like what exactly is it connecting to? >> I think it'd be good to try to ensure that we have an option here. A very attractive on-road trail might end up being a better choice later on when we see what the business park is going to do >> along >> along this year. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> No, maybe. >> So, leave room for it, landscape for it, so that if that ends up being an on-road trail that we're foregoing an off-road trail for, >> it's still appealing. >> It might lend itself really well depending on the traffic pattern. So, not heavy density going through that. So, if you put share roads, know what I'm talking about. Um, uh, it's a better experience and people are going to do that anyways. >> Uh, particularly if there's an opportunity to get towards the commercial district, if there's something attractive there for them. And they've designed spaces that the pedestrian traffic's going to be moving a lot through the space. Anyways, >> well, we will have sidewalks on these sidewalks connectivity for pedestrians, but whether it's a trail, I think is a different question, >> but those are five feet instead of 10. So, >> so if the trail if we move the trail to the west, would that change the location of the trail that connects to Bellweather? No, this would be to maximize what has already been provided through bellweather. >> Where it connects in bellweather right now is is on the northeast corner of the Oswalt property. >> Okay. >> And it still has to pass through the Oswalt property in order to even connect to property. >> I was looking at the one property where the trail is so close to the resident's house. That's the one I was talking about. >> To the Oswald property. >> Yeah. So, so that trail wouldn't move even if we moved the trail more to the west. >> No, that's already been dedicated and that's the Three Rivers Trail now. >> Okay. >> Just how much traffic is going to be there? Paid for it. >> Would it be beneficial to look at moving that if there is going to be a lot of traffic there? >> I don't know that it's not that way for it. >> So, they they wouldn't pay for it again. >> They being weather. No, they being park >> paid for that trail right there. Okay. >> That's not us. >> No. >> Anymore >> anymore. >> Um Okay. So then as far as I think you had the floor, Mr. >> Oh. Uh that was the main one. Is there other specific things we're looking for feedback for before the applicants go? >> We can certainly wait until after. >> Okay. Sure. Like to come on up. >> Mr. Mayor, staff with companies here representing excited shouldering this through and partnering with for the project. Yes, that slide image around the building some good ideas. But I'll come back later and talk about how we kind of I wanted to talk about the people from Continental here, Sarah and Conor to talk about presentation. >> Perfect. Thank you. >> Thank you for having us tonight. My name is Johnson. I'm your property along with my colleagues and Stephen. I don't know my brains need our business address for the record. I'm happy to rattle through it. But we're headed and we have been privately held owned and operated since 1979. Got our start early on retail development. We are located in the same as department stores headquarters. So we've done a lot of retail work throughout the country and the state of Minnesota hospitality work as well. But what we're here tonight to talk with you about is our multif family rental. Thank you so much for the comprehensive staff report. I don't want to reiterate, but I'm happy to detail any questions that you have either along the way or if you want to call me afterwards. Um, but I have two slides. Just as a brief reminder, since 1979, we have become a leading developer, owner, and operator of multif family throughout the United States. something unique to us and that sets us apart from some of the other developers communities. We do own and operate those under the continental arm. So all of our communities, our rental communities are staffed with continental employees. Um so we are very long in the success and the partnership that we have with the community that we serve. our portfolio just to share with you some high overall um we currently have 99 communities within our portfolio um those are either stabilized communities and we are under construction totaling close to 27,000 homes within the state of Minnesota we have nine communities that are managed by continental um just a little over 2200 homes that we operate within the metro area timeline just to reiterate briefly what shared earlier. So we initially came before council back in late 2022 with our concept plan discussion. Um we've been working closely with along the way. Came back most recently in April of last year to prevent and the feedback though I think was generally nature for a proposal was really to take a step back eval. So even though we are here tonight to present on the multif family residential portion we've also worked closely with homework and working with research groups to understand what that commercial looks like as well and how the two uses can be very complimementary. So again just reiterating from that last session that we had in April we worked with field research consultants to eval to further reiterate from their standpoint that additional housing more rooftops are going to drive that future commercial growth uh setting the framework for commercial development in the future. Just a few notes from our end. We have a really strong market research internal to our company that helps guide where we're looking to construct new communities and this metro area specifically this market is performing really well numbers in rental housing. Usually we take it as a very good sign about 94% occasion just a bit further nearby and to the west you see% population growth in the numbers and now I will get a little bit of detail about overall project plan and then we'll kind of micro so again I don't mean to reiterate too much what presented with the existing conditions and what we've been navigating different iterations over the years what we've been evaluating for highest being able to navigate around those natural features of the existing wetlands are really driving limitations in multiple areas on program the best use of the site as Natalie shared when we were looking at previous versions the wetlands on that northern end of the property were really bifurcating property such that we weren't comfortable in our ability to manage it as a continuous community you want to go to again just taking a look at that comprehensive plan visual if we need it but I think we can go past this one did a great job there so the overall concept plan not just for the spring tech overall looking we wanted to reflect that we've got the multif family residential program um while also respecting the vision and the long-term infrastructure planning at the city and programing the rights of way that are bifrocating our community east west as well as on the eastern side of the home and family that northwest connection as well and also reflective of um preliminary layouts of the infrastructure that would occur within that commercial development on the eastern side. We put together some visuals just because again is evaluating this in a very thoughtful way looking at the market research understanding what the are what type of commercial activities would be most successful here. Um, so we did want to just put together a vision board with some imaging that could occur here in the future. Um, as far as our concept plans, we have some imagery on the side of the the slide. We also shared some images, but just to reiterate what we have um the property as a whole for the The resial portion was 294 homes. It is within 14 restory in nature. I know Natalie shared that they were going to be a combination of private and semi-private. I want to clarify that was a twotory product that we construed corridors or shared common area within the structures themselves. two of our neighbors that would be just to the north asked about the bedrooms and the bedroom. So the way the buildings are programmed, those side elevations of the structures themselves that would be facing closest to your homes, um there would only be four homes that would northern two homes on the first floor and then two homes that are generally um the same. The mixture of homes again, it's got studio percentage overall about 14% of the overall bedroom count. We've got 38% of the homes that are one bedroom, 38% two bedroom, 10% bedroom. We do have a wide range. Our most popular offerings though um are those one bedroom and two bedroom which are equally distributed throughout the site. We do have some uh visuals here. Now these are more so the the programming that we would do on a larger scale for the overall development. Um I know Mr. Nichols asked about the sidewalk system and what that would look like. We have landscape plans that we program around each building. So to show um some of the ornamental trees and shrubbery that we see around private first floor patio are providal trees and different trees along those uh courtyard views and we'd be happy to note for a future presentation. We'll get more imagery of what those courtyards look like just to be a little more helpful to understand what that final build. I did take notes from Miss Kim, Miss Linda specific questions you asked. Please understand we are very conceptual in nature yet. So this is step one. I know Natalie shared some information about the neighborhood. We wanted to host this session tonight to get feedback from council members and staff, but we have the invitations teed up and I believe on getting them out the door tomorrow. Um, we just wanted to make sure that before we got too heavy in sending out the invited to address. We didn't want to be too premature and sending those out, but we look forward to having follow conversations. We can make sure that we're good partners with you. Um, I did a quick measurement based on my which is not going to be the best scale, but the eight garage on the north end is a little overt. Um, we can definitely navigate that in a little more detail and we can get a computer up and talk through that with you a bit more. Um, on the next slide, we just have some benefit. Again, I think Natalie did a great job going through this. A couple notes I took from Natalie that I to make sure we could address um something with the P benefit was talking about first floor entries and I just want to clarify the way our buildings are designed are from an accessibility standpoint all of those first floor homes. So we have to provide accessibility into those first floor homes which is of entries like you would see in a traditional town home. >> So there is reason behind the grade level entries into our first floor homes within the community. Uh the parking calculation that we had was a little over two parking style wise if you look at right around 1.75 per home that um seems to work for for our community. Obviously when we're in cold we have to be considered snow and going a little bit above that ratio to provide for no storage and losing a few stalls in the winter months that we would be able to park. But we are very very comfortable from a portfolio management standpoint. I just wanted to share with you that traditionally our community are very comfortably parked around that 1.75 to 1.85 in nature and where we sit right now we would be at a little over two >> is that with the number the I forget the exact number >> 594 >> yeah yes so oh I'm sorry I was going back like it was my presentation um yes it was I think it's like 647 units or parking stalls that we would require per code I think they're proposing something like 594 And that 590 something is that that's your >> 647 >> just under two per home >> or just over two. Okay, got it. Thank you. >> And that does not include any of the parallel cells that we were reflecting or anticipating how long that would be site. What I just want to draw attention to though, I would appreciate and understand that public may come and park especially given the sidewalk system that we would have on those roads, but I would enision that some of those I don't know from a perspective there's a significant amount of >> correct. Yeah, I I think I called that out on my staff report simply that the we don't allow that to count towards the on-site requirement for parking simply because we don't allow overnight parking during the winter months. Um, so that's why we don't allow it for the on-site component. However, we do have ways where we do have mechanisms in our code that allows for reduced parking when we have data that supports that the parking as required by code is not needed. So, I think it's something we could handle as part of the community, but have operating data. >> Yeah, we've got data across our portfolio. I'd be happy to share kind of portfolio wide and then we can show that what the Minnesota market looks like in the community and the parking offering specific to this state to show you that they are pretty similar in nature though I would say in Minnesota. The only other clarification I wanted to make sure we could call out overall here is I know you threw a number out for the percentage for covered parking. >> Uh yes, I had 112 stalls. I think it came out to 17.3%. I'm going off the top of my head though. I just wanted to clarify that the 112 stalls is specifically the attached garages to the resur. We also have a handful of detached garages that are scattered throughout the site. So when you include those correct 44 additional detached garages, >> okay, included on top of that. I do think we are just a little over 20 or close to 21% overall for covered parking. I just wanted to make sure that we could clarify clarify that point for you all. Um well the next slide is just again reframing those next steps that we have as far as our schedule and what we envision for next process. Um we are completing a feasibility study this month getting into the middle in the upcoming um few months. But that immediate next step would be the neighborhood to gather public comments as well and help that to inform our our package to help inform the design and make sure that we be good partners to the residents living adjacent. Um we anticipating final design and engineering in the summer fall of this year. um would love it if I could say we would break ground and fall before this whole time hit again. But realistically, just taking a look at the process, we would enision 2027 construction start in summary and the way that Natalie had framed the end of her presentation, we're really here tonight to hear from you all because we make that next want to gather feedback from our neighborhood groups as well as feedback that you have. indifferent to help guide the design if there are concerns that you have a look at the plan that we can um finess and fine tune. So we put a few questions on here just to help kickstart the conversation but I am aware that a few folks have visited and went on tour communities in the area. feedback that you could share with us from visiting those communities insight that you have to share that could help inform our next step. Um thoughts just overall on the housing opportunity that we're presenting to you tonight. any other information that would be helpful for us to share with you at this point as we anticipate those next steps and the variances shared and lifted off in the stack report as part of our sub. Um, understanding that the housing that we would be constructing as part of like a phase one overall track would help reinforce the need or the demand for that future commercial. But understanding that they are segmented and we are presenting on behalf that will look like they are going to be operating slightly autonomously but informed and then just make sure we're doing the right thing with that photo you through that just imagery from our clubhouse the interior of our homes the homes themselves but happy to answer any questions that you have for us >> do have a quick question on um I've been out to one of the sites the MC McNight >> yeah we just >> Okay nice um I I was very impressed with that site um the material that you guys are requesting Uh the fiber cement >> fiber cement board >> board is that what you've used at that site? Okay. >> Yeah. Traditionally our community we installed hard cement. So material but very durable withstand extreme temperature holds up really well from a maintenance perspective and it comes in a multitude of different applications. So we traditionally use a siding application board and application flat panel to help different compliment colors and material. >> Gotcha. Thank you. >> I was very impressed with that site. That's the only one I've been to, but >> Mr. Mayor, um public safety, obviously we're proud of what we do here in in the corporate and such. um your screening process for people about to rent it, the ranges of uh uh rental prices if it if it's too early for those kind of things. But how do you screen your applicants to move into these places? And and >> what probably too hard what what usually shows up? Professionals, nursing, >> you wouldn't be allowed in >> municipal. What's that? You wouldn't be allowed in, Dean. >> I wouldn't be allowed in. Yeah. >> No Santaas. >> I've got my 14 acres. >> The donkeys couldn't come and the horses couldn't come. But you know what I'm asking? What what screening processes do you do? And obviously to ensure maximum uh rental abilities and stuff. >> Yeah. >> Obviously, you're you're taking care of your own neighborhood. And if somebody is out of line once, twice, three times, are they out? I mean, those kind of things. That's the stuff I'm looking for again to keep our uh community as safe as it's been. >> Sure. Our operations staff does a really great job of pre-screening our residents effort. It's not just a check one box, you're good to go, but they're looking at um housing where where their previous housing was for the past years. They were good on payments appropriately. And you got checking that looking at um felonies and past reporting that would show up. Um the requirement for rent is that you would make a minimum of three times your monthly rent to be able to qualify for that home. I can share with you where we are right now. These are projections. Um we have to put the projections in place to make sure it's a financially viable opportunity for us. But I can share with you where we were currently projecting our No, I think I have it in another but I can tell you off the top of my head uh I believe our studio like the starting rent up to over 2600 for the highest I don't want anyone sticker those homes also include like a twocar garage attached to it as part of that rent. So there's a wide range and within the different bedroom types, we have different versions of the bedroom. We have two different designs for our one bedroom, two different designs for our two bedrooms that could different as far as the type of job or the background professionally that they have. I would assume that the majority would be white collar in nature just given the demographics of the area happening nearby. >> Um we would assume that there's going to be a lot of young professionals like employment by choice I believe when these aren't folks that are renting because of the need. I'm sure some of them >> they choose to rent >> they're choosing to rent. They're choosing to rent because they like the flexibility of being an operation that's looking after it. They appreciate the fact that they don't have to. Um so we do see a lot of choice. Is there any provisions and I'm being a little bit selfish for our employees in our in our own town or >> uh professional such as police officers potential different >> not looking for discounts but just municipal employees that live a long ways away that can move to their town >> I think in brief discussions we had previously it was potentially >> list priority or potential rate >> you know different rates or something operations up their sleeve but they traditionally when we're in pre-leasing and working with the community they're reaching out to larger employment some um they are unique to community but our oper do a really great job and I'll obviously take a note down >> and I I'm asking the question because I've heard what you do in the other places that you've got and >> it's admirable to keep things orderly >> and perhaps Eert Construction. It's another big employer >> and people that are occupying it proud of where they live and such. No problem. >> And then the other the other thing I was hoping you would do is include the three neighbors across the street on County Road 30 in your invite, please. There's one in the back row. You'd probably prefer the one on the right than the one on the left, but um include them in there. And then there's two more properties to the west, not a buddy near your property, but close enough. Um, and is is that the neighborhood you're looking at? Um, the last time we had an event, we had a significant amount of participation of the folks across the street from Maple Grove in 101. >> Are there plans to include them or are they not close enough to be neighbors? >> I think the mailing address we got from the other was just a certain >> I almost think that would come in on the commercial side. Basically, everyone that is going to get a a public hearing notice. >> 100 or how many feet? >> 350 ft. >> Got it. Cool. >> So, I feel like that would cover I do think that includes some of the Maple Grove sites. >> That doesn't even get >> Yeah, because it's the whole site, not just that. So, I do think it would include >> even the commercial. >> Yeah, we would include >> Well, then it would be the people across the street. >> Not that I don't like Maple Grove folks. It's just it's a corker deal. Anyhow, >> sure. >> That's what I feel. >> I'll be quiet now. >> Stop looking at me >> just because you don't speak first. >> Um I just I'd like to ask um Attorneys a quick question about offering discounts for properties to, for example, city staff. I'm just wondering if that would fall under a statute or something regarding gifts. If you're receiving a discount because you're a staff person for a property, would that fall under that donations category? >> I wasn't looking for for donations or discounts. I was looking for availability, those kind of things. Okay. >> Yeah, there was she answered that with looking at local employers and stuff. >> Yeah, >> I wasn't expecting any discount on anybody's part. So, if that helps, John, >> thank you. That helps me too. >> Helps him up. We don't have to pay him for that answer. when I talk about that like uh as I I think was characterized if if you offer it like broader so like like you'd mentioned local employers uh it's mutually beneficial in terms of symbiotic relationships so that then you get people in the community that are working in the community uh and and so not not exclusively where where it would be a gift was exclusively to you know so for example if they provided a >> a uh a discount to first responders and veterans which a lot of businesses do. >> Uh >> that's very different than if they offered it to councelor Friedrich and Mayor McKe which then it would get into the category of comp. >> So I am Is that what you're saying? I am out. No, my only thought was that it seems like if the general population isn't going to receive that type of discount that to me as a as a city person, >> I wouldn't I wouldn't feel like I if that were something that we had to vote on, I would probably vote nay because I feel like that's just something that >> shouldn't be shouldn't be available to us when it's not available to the general population. And maybe it would be because there could be some people that are living in the community that are taking advantage of being in a bigger business. >> Gotcha. But yeah, I'm just structured, I think. Okay. >> Anyone else? >> I do a couple other things. Great to preserve the wetlands. >> Um it'd be neat to see and connect with the DNR. If you have time about what they can do to uh enhance those wetlands instead of just leave them there. I think that's one of the way Jeremy's would probably go. Um, I don't know if I'd expand the sidewalk to a trail. The sidewalk isn't nice enough. If you could get our many of our citizens that walk in the road instead of the sidewalk, if they could get them in the sidewalk, that'd be appreciated. >> That's upset you for years, Dean. >> Oh, I get so mad about people walking down the road and there's a sidewalk sitting right there. >> Um, >> happens all the time on 19. >> I know. Mhm. >> Oh, it just drives me nuts. Um, it it it's it's a neat concept. I appreciate the fact that this is the third concept presentation. You've given us one next to Mama G's, one to this side, and we asked you to look at doing it more east west. And I understand the break up of the wetlands and stuff. Thank you for coming back and and giving us another uh shot at the west side. Um I think that boundary to the north um is is a decent setback. I think you said 60 ft from those houses on the north side to the property line. Is that what you said? from where to where >> off the property line. >> Again, not not something that I I think is going to even come close to enough space for the snowmobile trailer to go trail to go back to. I think I think Northwest Trails will have a contingency plan, one more year of whatever they're doing, but get with Northwest Trails and give them a heads up if this goes through. email. >> Yeah, I thought I recognized him, but if I'm speaking poorly of you, let me know. But I I know all y'all. And you are the president if I remember right. >> No, >> but your honor, >> there you go. That's the one. Got to get you two confused. >> I wanted to stop the other day. Anyhow, the concerns the neighbors had. Thank you for participating. And it sounds like you got a a pretty good chance at a pretty good neighbor going forward. But again, this is just concept plan. We're we're step away. So >> Oh, I appreciate I think it's a very good start. There's one item, Natalie, I think, in your presentation about the buffer yard discussion um with the wetland in the north side there. >> Yes. My initial thoughts on it would be that it maybe could satisfy some of that buffer and maybe even a a fair portion of it. But I would probably in the PED like to see some sort of mix. So let's simplify. Say it's a 10 foot buffer and fiveT of that wetland or five feet of it gets credited for the wetland. Five feet of it needs to be planted or fenced or burned whatever by the standard. Does that make sense? >> I I don't know if I remember what you're talking about. So, the buffer, one of the buffers, >> on page 10 of your >> Okay. Page 10. Okay. Yep. So, they need to do a buffer yard class B. >> Yep. >> Um >> I thought there was a question about a wetland if it should count and be credited. >> Oh, yes. Should the wetland count? Yes. Thank you. Yeah. Should the wetland count towards it? We typically, especially wetlands of that size, we typically let it count towards the buffer. But what were you saying? >> I was saying maybe that it should count as some partial credit, but I'd still maybe like to see some of the buffering. So whether it's 75% credit or whatever, than that last smaller area have planted or burned or fence, whatever they were planning on. >> Oh yeah. Where there isn't a wetland, we would still require the buffer. Yep. Yep. Yes. >> It's just the buff. So basically, we're not going to be able to really plant a buffer yard within the wetland, >> right? So yeah, but um the we would still want to see that buffer yard on the other. We can definitely make that happen. Yes, >> good deal. >> Can I ask her a quick question or >> probably best for the either after the meeting or uh at the other meeting coming up. Sorry. >> Okay. Can I >> uh Michelle Linder? >> Okay. Um, I just was going to say I love this concept plan and I agree with councelor Vancamp that it's it's wonderful that you really worked with the city and brought back the different concept plans for us to review. And I this is probably my favorite one for sure. I love the buffering between like where the the potential um commercial is. That's a nice a nice buffer between where Mama G's is, >> especially with all the yelling and screaming and lots of fun that happens there at the volleyball season. Um, and I love I love the architecture of the buildings. I think they're they're beautiful. I think they are in line with our bellweather neighborhood. And I I like the fiberboard aspect too on the outside. chairman. >> Uh, it it's hard for me to weigh the application, not because I think that it's an unappealing proposal on the residential side. Where I struggle is the 50/50 commercial versus residential expectation for the zone. And in order for me to be able to make a decision as to whether a PUD would make sense for us to accept as a city, I want to see more on the economic data side. What is the per acre value that we would be giving up by allowing less than 50% of this to be residential >> from a taxation standpoint? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> We're we're very light on commercial development in the city. We continue to struggle with our budgetary needs every year. Largely, we think because of the way that we're so heavily skewed toward residential. Most of that skew is single family residential today. We don't have multif family. You know, I can I can try to Google it and try to figure out like what is the typical expectation of a property like this. I can look at other ones around the area. Looking at that versus what the commercial prospect could be. That's how I'd want to make that calculation. I just don't have that data to make that decision. >> And we can provide we work with different consultants as well as working with the county to understand what the projected taxes would be. We build that into our underwriting model. We've a good visibility of what we would be projecting. We could look at like commercial development in the area that in this space >> and then John question for you um and maybe this is something that needs to be figured out over time. How would a agreement to to keep that other half of the site commercial be what form would that take? Would that be part of the PUB? Would that be something else? >> Yeah. Thank you, Mayor Council. I I think the you're going to accomplish most of that through your development agreement. >> Okay. >> And that's going to be consolidated with the single entity which is recommended in the memo. And the reason for that is it's going to carry forward as an incumbrance on anybody that buys the other portion of that. Should it not be the same developer, there's going to be what's contemplated. Things change over time. So, whoever takes that on would take that on knowing that that's the obligation of the site. >> Gotcha. Right. Perfect. >> Thank you. I think there was a question about would we accept the wetland as buffer as is. I was going to suggest and I think Dean anticipated my comment to the degree that we can improve the quality of the wetland, maybe plant willow trees or something like that to create more of a visual barrier. >> It's sidewalk. >> Well, >> plant it down low away from >> really going to mess up the trails as well. and not that kind of will sir, >> but I think uh to the degree that we can improve the quality of the buffer in the wetland, I think that would be an that would be a potential PUD benefit as part of your plan. >> All right. Anything else? >> Greg, did you did you want to come up? Did you have anything else? Um, >> if if not, no worries. I didn't mean to put you on the spot. Okay. >> We're currently doing a market study about how much. So, that will come out and we'll share that with you. That's the potential viability. commercialist answer your question. >> Sounds good. What's the timeline on that? >> We hope to have that completed. I just received earlier today. >> Oh, that's great. Fantastic. Great. >> Okay. Thank you guys very much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you guys. >> Stay warm. Uh >> you disturb my truck when you go up. >> I do. Please. >> It's only 16 blow right now on the front. They're out here. >> City hall. >> I don't know. >> I'm going to turn on my internet. Mine says 17. >> You don't have it plugged in, do you? >> But it feels like 43. >> It's beautiful. Did you say >> 17 below it? Just dropped a degree. >> Exactly. >> I mean, >> yeah. If you could survive in this stuff, it's about as rough as it is anywhere. >> We're long past your guys. >> Hey, you guys got >> starting my truck from my home. >> Ah, smart. Actually, >> what else do we have? Close session reports. I'm going to >> Oh, this is a date night. I'm on to you now. >> There's other places I'd rather be on. >> Thanks for sticking. >> We'll fill a buster for you. >> We can get a couple bottles of water for you and go in the atrium and sit sit by a nice tree. Yeah, exactly. >> I'm starting my car, too. >> All right, we're on a 30-minute timer because that's how long my car warm is up for. With that, city council will be entering into a close session pursuant to the authority granted under Minnesota statute 13D.03, uh, subdivision 1 to discuss labor negotiation strategy related to the contract with LLS local number 615. strategy related to the contract with LS local 615. The council is prepared to take action to approve a memorandum of agreement related to that contract. Uh, I will entertain a motion to approve and authorize the mayor and city administrator to execute the MOA dated 12126 >> subject to minor revisions by staff and the uh city attorney and or our labor attorney. >> I'll make that motion. >> Second. >> Any discussion? >> All those in favor say I. >> I. >> That passes. And with that, uh, any staff reports? Uh just a reminder mayor and councel that next Tuesday we'll have our first open session here in the council chambers uh an open house uh regarding the civic campus. So >> perfect. That's >> BKB will leading that from 6 >> again to Tuesday. >> Uh 6 6 to 7:30. Let me double check. >> I think that's what it is. >> 6 to 7:30. >> 6:00 to 7:30. >> It's in the newsletter. >> Perfect. Perfect. >> Mr. Mary, real quick, Jade, is there a >> box today? >> Talking point summary that we could have related to general questions >> at this point. No. Uh, we're working towards it, but I'm I've run into a time crunch just in reality. >> I understand. Then a couple of them. How are we going to find how are how is you, the city council that's requesting this city municipal new building, how are you going to pay for it? That's all. >> So, we're not there yet. That that's that's the answer. This is the first step of the conversation. So, there'll be boards here that talk about how we got here, >> trying to get some of that, but but as far as the financing part of it, uh we don't even know what we're financing yet. >> So, so we have to identify what we have. Uh what what we do know is that for the last 10 years in the long-term financial plan, we have had $50 million bond projected >> uh as that need. And also, uh, we're currently pursuing the potential of state bonding dollars and we'll pursue federal CPF dollars. >> I'm answering it right. I'm just saying that's probably the number one question. Why do you think you need a $15 million fire department? We don't think we need it yet. >> And and we'll address the fire department with the resolution. >> Yeah, I was going to say that's why we're passing the resolution. >> Everything. So many questions. And I just I want to make sure >> I would encourage them to go to these events. I've seen some of the materials that >> why do I need to go to it for I don't want it and I'm like if you don't want to participate I don't want you there. >> It's hard to complain and not want to >> give feedback or or listen. >> Would it be helpful to have like your presentation for taxes was so good? Would it be helpful to have something similar to that that shows them if it's this much this is how it impacts taxes? >> So we'll be able to do that in August but but we haven't had enough conversations to even know what this is. So what I was able to do with the taxes conversation is we have all the data so we know what the median uh median home was and we could do the analysis. >> We don't know what the square footage is right now. >> There's so and there's so many moving factors right now. >> So like like when we were talking about potential services that might come in uh some suggestions would potentially bring partners that bring wallets, >> you know. So uh some people have said hey maybe a library. the county's expressed interest if they come they come with potential funding a post office if that were to come that comes with potential federal funding like but it has all these other second and third order and so >> DMV like Telmo >> uh no thank you >> yeah I don't know >> like not like Richfield it >> just there are some other ones though that are >> there's a daycare does that come with federal funding >> uh not a daycare but there has been a dayare if it's a Is there funding? >> It's a learing centering center. >> But but on a serious note, there's there's been a request from the Rockford School District to consider a preschool because there isn't a preschool within the Rockford School District. >> If that were to happen, that would bring uh potential state funding and then also school district funding. Yep. >> They don't have a preschool program. >> Not in Corkran. >> Not in Corkran. >> Oh, not in Corkran. Okay. Yes. I'm like they have one in Rockford. Yeah. >> Early childhood. >> Yep. Would they like to do something potentially over here? But but the idea of of activating a civic campus with that kind of amenity. So come downtown, you go visit, you know, grandma and grandpa across the street at St. Terres, get your burn permit, >> pay your utility bill, >> drop your kids off. Cool. >> Pay your utility bill. >> Exactly. >> All right. And then anything else from staff? >> Uh for council I I had something but I think it got covered just for the open house and the next council meeting being work session and house meeting being the >> economic development strategic plan. >> I wrote the wrong date there. >> February 12th. >> February 12th. >> February 12th >> at 5:30 >> 127 which is not at all times. >> Um >> Oh, you will. We'll have fun. Correct. Uh, do we have at least three me and >> February 12th? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Perfect. Sounds good. >> I won't be here on the 27th though. Not that we have to have a quorum, but >> on the 27th of February. >> Yeah. For the >> I keep looking at the calendar that we haven't form calendar. >> Um, okay. So, we should be good. So, yeah, that and that work session is at 5:30. Actually, >> that's correct. >> Perfect. Anything else from council? >> With that, I will entertain a motion to >> I'll take that motion. I'll second it. >> All those in favor say I.