[0:35] President Elliott Payne: [GAVEL] >> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. MY NAME IS ELLIOTT PAYNE. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF MINNEAPOLIS CITY COUNCIL. BEFORE WE CONVENE OUR MEETINGER WE HAVE ONE MEETING OF AN HONORARY RESOLUTION. THIS RESOLUTION IS RECOGNIZING LISA BROCK FOR HER SERVICE AND DEDICATION TO THE CITY, AND I WILL WELCOME COUNCIL MEMBER OSMAN AND ELLISON AND CLERK CARL FOR THIS RESOLUTION. [1:41] Council Member Jamal Osman: ALL RIGHT. HONORING LISA BROCK FOR HER SERVICE AND DEDICATION TO THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. ON JANUARY 4, 2010, LISA BROCK BEGAN HER EMPLOYMENT FOLLOWING THE ELECTION OF KEVIN WRIGHT TO THE WARD 1 OFFICE AND CAPABLY SERVED THE CONSTITUENTS OF WARD 1 FOR 10 YEARS AGO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. [2:03] Council Member Jeremiah Ellison: SHE EARNED HER MASTER'S DEGREE IN ENGE WILLISH FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA AND WAS EMPLOYED AS A CORPORATE MANAGER IN A FREELANCE ARTS WRITER FOR THE STAR TRIBUNE PRIOR TO HER TENURE AT THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS. [2:45] City Clerk Casey Carl: >> WHEREAS, MS. BROCK WAS PROMOTED JANUARY 2021 AS A LEGISLATIVE CLERK IN THE CITY OFFICE, CITY CLERK, AND HAS PROVIDED A PROFESSIONAL SECRETARYIAL SERVICE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE COMMITTEES, ALONG WITH THE BOARD OF ESTIMATE AND TAXATION, INSURING ACCESS TO THE CITY LEGISLATIVE PROCESS FOR THE CITY ELECTED OFFICIALS, CITY STAFF, AND RESIDENTS. [3:12] Council Member Jamal Osman: SHE'S VALUED AND TRUSTED TEAM LEADER AND MENTOR TO THE NEWLY-HIRED CLERKS. EVEN THOUGH SHE JOKINGLY TELLS HER COLLEAGUES THAT WHILE THERE IS NO "I" IN TEAM, THERE IS ALSO NO TEAM IN LISA. [3:25] Council Member Jeremiah Ellison: >> WHEREAS, MS. BROCK HAS TILL GENTLY WORKED TO PROVIDE POLICY MAKER, DEPARTMENTS AND THE PUBLIC WITH ACCESS TO THE OFFICIAL ACTS AND DECISIONS OF THE CITY GOVERNMENT BY ASSISTING IN THE PREPARATION, PROCESSING, PUBLYCATION, AND PRESERVATION OF A VARIETY OF PUBLIC RECORDS INCLUDING MAINTENANCE OF THE CITY CHARTER AND CODE OF ORDINANCES, AS WELL AS HAVING SERVED ON DEPARTMENTAL WORK GROUPS TO DEVELOP A NEW CONSTITUENT TRACKING SYSTEM AND A TRAINING MANUAL FOR APPOINTED BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS AMONG VARIOUS OTHER ACCOMPLISHMENTS, AND -- WHEREAS, MS. BROCK STAYS PHYSICALLY ACTIVE BY PARTICIPATING IN THE CITY SPONSORED FITNESS ACTIVITIES ALONG WITH ENCOURAGING COWORKERS TO REGULARLY ATTEND WORKOUT CLASSES AND WAS RECOGNIZED IN JANUARY 2024 AS THE FITNESS [3:59] City Clerk Casey Carl: CENTER MEMBER OF THE MONTH -- APPLAUSE TO THAT. HER FAVORITE WORKOUT SONG IS "GREENBACK BOOGIE" BUT IMMA ROBOT. AND SHE ENJOYS INDOOR ROCK CLIMBING AND CROSS COUNTRY SKIING OR CROSS COUNTRY FALLING DOWN IN THE WINTER MONTHS. [4:18] Council Member Jamal Osman: AND WHEREAS, MS. BROCK LOOKS FORWARD TO SPENDING MORE TIME WITH HER FAMILY, HER HUSBAND, SON, AND SOON TO BE DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AS WELL AS TRAVELLING WITH HER FAMILY A WELL-EARNED REWARD FOR THE DEVOTED CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS AND ITS RESIDENTS. [4:35] Council Member Jeremiah Ellison: >> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, THAT THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL DO HEREBY CONGRATULATE LISA BROCK FOR HER 15 YEARS OF SERVICE AND COMMITMENT TO THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS AND PRESENT THIS HONORARY RESOLUTION TOGETHER WITH THEIR MOST SINCERE THANKS AND APPRECIATION AND WISH HER HAPPINESS, FULFILLMENT IN HER RETIREMENT AND FUTURE ENDEAVORS. [4:58] President Elliott Payne: THANK YOU. [APPLAUSE] >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING, LISA? [5:02] Lisa Brock: >> SURE. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK YOU, ALL, AND TO SAY THAT IT HAS BEEN -- THERE HAS NOT BEEN A DAY THAT I HAVE COME TO WORK FOR THE CITY OF MINNEAPOLIS THAT I HAVE NOT FELT BLESSED AND GRATEFUL TO BE ABLE TO BE HERE. [5:27] Lisa Brock: MY TEAM, MY COLLEAGUES, EVERYBODY THAT WORKS IN THE CITY, MY FAMILY WHO SUPPORTED ME, THANK YOU ALL. [5:36] President Elliott Payne: >> THANK YOU. MR. CARL? [5:41] City Clerk Casey Carl: >> YEAH, SURE. LISA, ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE CLERK'S OFFICE AND THE CITY COUNCIL, THE LEGISLATIVE DEPARTMENT TODAY, YOU'VE BEEN AN EXCELLENT MEMBER AS THE PRESIDENT SAID. [5:49] City Clerk Casey Carl: YOU STARTED OUT IN THE COUNCIL SIDE RUNNING THE WARD ONE OFFICE AND TAKING CARE OF EVERYONE. YOU MOVED THAT SPIRIT TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND I'M MOST GRATEFUL FOR THE FACT THAT NOT ONLY DID YOU QUICKLY BECOME ONE OF THE MOST RELIABLE CLERKS, BUT THE MENTORSHIP AND THE DEVELOPMENT YOU BROUGHT TO NEW CLERKS ON AND THE FRIENDSHIP THAT YOU'VE GIVEN TO EVERYONE THAT YOU ENCOUNTER THROUGHOUT THE CITY WHETHER IN THE DEPARTMENT OR NOT, YOU ARE A STEADY, RELIABLE, CALM PRESENCE IN THE CITY AND IN OUR DEPARTMENT. [6:18] City Clerk Casey Carl: AND WE WILL MISS THAT, BUT WE WISH YOU SO MUCH HAPPINESS IN YOUR NEXT ADVENTURE. WE KNOW WE'LL BE TOUCH WITH YOU IN THE FUTURE, SO BEST OF WISHES AND THANK YOU. I KNOW JACKIE AND KEN WILL WANT TO SAY THINGS, SO I WILL RUN THE MIC DOWN TO JACKIE AND MAYBE KEN CAN GRAB ONE FROM HERE. [6:36] Jackie Hanson (Clerk Staff): >> WOW. I TOLD CASEY I'M NOT GOOD AT PUBLIC SPEAKING AND I MIGHT START CRYING. IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE. WE LOVE YOU AND JUST GOOD LUCK. [6:50] Ken Dahler (Clerk Staff): >> SO I JUST WANT TO SAY ON THE RECORD BECAUSE COUNCIL IS ALL ABOUT BEING ON THE RECORD, THAT I AM DEEPLY GOING TO MISS LISA BECAUSE SHE IS -- SO WE HAVE BEEN IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE FOR ROUGHLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME. [7:00] Ken Dahler (Clerk Staff): HOWEVER, SHE HAS A BREADTH OF KNOWLEDGE THAT I JUST DO NOT HAVE AND VERY BIG SHOES TO FILL AND SHE READS OVER ALL MY ACTIONS AND REPORTS AND FINDS MULTIPLE ERRORS THAT I SHOULD CATCH AT THIS POINT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I AM GOING TO DO WITHOUT YOU, BUT I WILL FIGURE OUT A WAY TO SOLDIER ON AND I AM SO EXCITED FOR YOU. [7:21] Unknown Staffer: >> I WILL JUST ADD, LISA AND I, I STARTED WORKING FOR COUNCIL MEMBER AS WELL LIKE LISA DID, SO I WORKED WITH HER IN THE TRENCHES WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THREE YEARS, SO GOT TO KNOW LISA IN THAT CAPACITY BEFORE WE BOTH TRANSITIONED TO THE CLERK'S OFFICE. I HAVE ALWAYS HAD A SPECIAL KINSHIP WITH HER BECAUSE WE WERE BOTH ENGLISH MAJORS. [7:40] Unknown Staffer: WE'RE BOTH PROOFREADING EVERYTHING YOU DO, AND JUDGING YOU FOR YOUR GRAMMATICAL ERRORS. AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO, BUT YES, BEST OF LUCK IN THE FUTURE LISA. AND WE'LL, YOU KNOW -- STAY IN TOUCH. [8:01] Kevin Reich (Former Council Member): >> WELL, AN OFF-THE-CUFF COMMENT, BUT I'LL STATE THE OBVIOUS. FIRST OF ALL, YOU SERVED WARD ONE SO, SO WELL. SECOND OF ALL, AND EVERYONE KNOWS THIS, YOU MADE ME LOOK WAY MUCH BETTER THAN I WAS. SO I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT FOREVER. [8:16] Kevin Reich (Former Council Member): BUT I ALSO SAY THAT I KNOW FOR A FACT WHAT YOU STATED IS SO TRUE. YOU LOVE THE CITY. AND I KNEW EVERY DAY YOU HONORED SERVING IT, AND YOU DID IT ABSOLUTELY SO WELL. THANK YOU. [8:36] President Elliott Payne: >> I JUST WANTED TO ADD THANK YOU, KEVIN, FOR BRINGING LISA INTO THE FOLD AND BRINGING YOU INTO CITY HALL. AND I WANTED TO JUST SAY TO ADD ON TO THE CLERK'S COMMENTS, YOU NOT ONLY BROUGHT, YOU KNOW, FRIENDSHIP AND MENTORSHIP TO THE CLERKS BUT ALSO TO OUR STAFF AND TO US. WHEN WE COME BOO OFFICE REPRESENTING OUR VARIOUS WARDS, WE COME INTO OFFICE WITH A CERTAIN MISSION IN OUR MIND ABOUT HOW THIS JOB IS GOING TO GO, AND WE RUN RIGHT INTO SORT OF THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF THIS JOB. [8:59] President Elliott Payne: WE RUN RIGHT INTO MAYBE NOT ALWAYS KNOWING EXACTLY HOW TO EXECUTE OUR VISION. WE CAN'T DO THIS JOB WITHOUT THE CLERKS. WE CAN'T DO OUR -- OUR STAFF CAN'T DO THEIR JOBS WITHOUT THE CLERKS. IT'S HOW THEY MAKE US LOOK BETTER THAN WE ACTUALLY ARE, AND SO YOU EXTENDED THAT MENTORSHIP, THAT DEVELOPMENT, AND THAT FRIENDSHIP TO OUR STAFF AND TO US AS WELL. [9:19] President Elliott Payne: AND THAT'S GOING TO BE SORELY MISSED. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY. [APPLAUSE] [11:03] President Elliott Payne: >> AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO CALL THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL FOR DECEMBER 12 TO ORDER. THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL. [11:10] City Clerk Casey Carl: >> COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY. >> PRESENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER JENKINS. >> PRESENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO. >> A PRESENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER CHOWDHURY. PRESENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMAN. [11:19] City Clerk Casey Carl: PRESENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER OSMAN. >> PRESENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE. >> PRESENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ. >> PRESENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW. >> PRESENT. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON. >> HERE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER KOSKI. >> PRESENT. >> VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. >> PRESENT. [11:34] City Clerk Casey Carl: >> PRESIDENT PAYNE. >> PRESENT. >> THERE ARE 13 MEMBERS PRESENT. [11:37] President Elliott Payne: >> LET THE RECORD REFLECT WE HAVE A QUORUM. BEFORE WE BEGIN THE MEETING, I WANT TO OFFER A FRIENDLY REMINDER TO ALL MEMBERS AND STAFF THAT THIS MEETING IS BROADCAST LIVE TO ENABLE GREATER PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. THE BROADCAST INCLUDES REAL-TIME CAPTIONING AS A FURTHER METHOD TO INCREASE THE ACCESSIBILITY OF OUR PROCEEDINGS TO THE COMMUNITY. THEREFORE, ALL SPEAKERS NEED TO BE MINDFUL OF THE RATE OF THEIR SPEECH SO THAT OUR CAPTIONERS CAN FULLY CAPTURE AND TRANSCRIBE ALL COMMENTS FOR THE BROADCAST. WE ASK ALL SPEAKERS TO MODERATE THE SPEED AND CLARITY OF THEIR COMMENTS. [12:03] President Elliott Payne: WITH THAT THE AGENDA FOR TODAY'S MEETING IS BEFORE US. I HAVE ONE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WHICH IS CONSIDERING -- THE CONGRATULATION OF MAYOR FREY'S VETO OF THE 2025 GENERAL APPROPRIATION RESOLUTION WHICH I PROPOSE WE ADD AS UNFINISHED BUSINESS NUMBER FOUR. THAT MOTION IS PRINTED OUT SO WE HAVE THE RECORD OF THAT. [12:21] President Elliott Payne: AND MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA INCLUDING THAT AMENDMENT? >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL. [12:28] City Clerk Casey Carl: >> COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY, AYE. >> JENKINS, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCIL MEMBER CHOWDHURY. [12:36] City Clerk Casey Carl: AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMAN, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER OSMAN, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER KOSKI, AYE. >> VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI, AYE. >> PRESIDENT PAYNE, AYE. >> THERE ARE 13 AYES. [12:52] President Elliott Payne: >> THAT CARRIES AND FINALLY THE REFERRAL OF PETITIONS, COMMUNICATIONS AND REPORTS TO PROPER COMMITTEES. MAY I HAVE THAT MOTION? >> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. [13:00] City Clerk Casey Carl: >> COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER JENKINS, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER CHOWDHURY, AYE. [13:08] City Clerk Casey Carl: >> COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMAN, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE YAY. >> COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER KOSKI, AYE. >> VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI, PRESIDENT PAIN, AYE. >> THERE ARE 13 YAY YAYS. [13:26] President Elliott Payne: >> THAT CARRIES AND THE MATTER IS REFERRED. THE NEXT ITEM IS THE PRESENTATION OF REPORTING FROM STANDING COMMITTEES. WE HAVE ONE REPORT FROM THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE WHICH WILL BE PRESENTED BY THE CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ. [13:38] Council Member Jason Chavez: >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT PAYNE. THE COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE IS FORWARDING FOUR ITEMS TODAY. IE TUM ONE IS APPOINTED BOARD AND COMMISSIONS ADMINISTRATIVE REFORMS, DISSOLVES THE ANIMAL CARE AND CONTROL ADVISORY BOARD T VIOLENCE PREVENTION STEERING COMMITTEE AND THE FUTURO LATINO EMPOWERMENT COMMISSION. [13:50] Council Member Jason Chavez: TWO IS THE MINNEHAHA CREEK WATERSHED DISTRICT BOARD OF MANAGERS APPOINTMENT. THREE IS ALLEY FUNDING AND REPAIR SCHEDULE LEGISLATIVE DIRECTIVE. AND ITEM FOUR IS CONSIDERING A CONTRACT AMENDMENT WITH AXON ENTERPRISE FOR TASER-10 RELATED PRODUCTS AND VIRTUAL REALITY SERVICES AND THIS ITEM WAS FORWARDED WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION. [14:09] Council Member Jason Chavez: HOWEVER T FISCAL NOTE ON THE AXON TASER 10 CONTRACT HAS BEEN REVISED PER DISCUSSION IN YESTERDAY'S COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING, PARTICULARLY THE LANGUAGE AND ASSUMPTIONS HAVE BEEN CLARIFIED PER THE BUDGET OFFICE'S ADVICE. WITH THAT SAID, I WILL MOVE ALL FOUR ITEMS FOR APPROVAL. [14:27] President Elliott Payne: >> COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ HAS MOVED APPROVAL FOR THE COMMITTEE'S REPORT. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL. [14:35] City Clerk Casey Carl: AWE COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY, AYE. >> JENKINS, AYE. PALMISANO AYE. CHOWDHURY AYE. [14:43] City Clerk Casey Carl: CASHMAN AYE. OSMAN AYE. RAINVILLE AYE. CHAVEZ AYE. VETAW AYE. ELLISON AYE. KOSKI AYE. VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI, AYE. PRESIDENT PAYNE, AYE. >> THERE ARE 13 AYES. [14:58] President Elliott Payne: >> THAT CARRIES AND THE REPORT IS ADOPTED. THANK YOU, COLLEAGUES. THAT COMPLETES THE REPORTS FROM OUR AGENDA. THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS THE INTRODUCTION AND REFERRAL CALENDAR. COUNCIL MEMBERS CASHMAN AND CHUGHTAI MOVE TO INTRODUCE THE SUBJECT MATTER OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING APPENDIX C-1 OF THE MINNEAPOLIS CODE OF ORDINANCES RELATED TO THE CENTER POINT ENERGY GAS FRANCHISE, FOR THE FIRST READING AND REFERRAL TO THE CLIMATE AND INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE, REPEALING THE EXISTING FRANCHISE ORDINANCE FOR GAS DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM AND PASSING A NEW ONE. [15:28] President Elliott Payne: SECOND, COUNCIL MEMBERS CASHMAN AND CHUGHTAI MOVE TO INTRODUCE THE SUBJECT MATTER OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING APPENDIX D-1 OF THE MINNEAPOLIS CODE OF ORDINANCES RELATED TO THE XCEL ENERGY ELECTRIC FRANCHISE FOR FIRST READING AND REFERRAL TO THE CLOUDY SKY MALL AND INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE, REPEALING THE EXISTING FRANCHISE AND PASSING A NEW ONE. [15:49] President Elliott Payne: THIS ORDINANCE WAS INTENDED TO BE NOTICED AT THE LAST MEETING ALONG WITH THE GAS FRANCHISE ORDINANCE BUT WAS LEFT OFF THE AGENDA DUE TO A CLERICAL ERROR. UNANIMOUS CONSENT IS NEEDED TO BYPASS NOTICE. FINALLY, COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY MOVES TO INTRODUCE THE SUBJECT MATTER OF THE ORDINANCE FOR THE HOUSING MAINED MAINTENANCE CODE PROHIBITING THE USE OF ALGORITHMIC DEVICES TO ADVISE LANDLORDS OR VACANCY OR RENTAL RATES. [16:21] President Elliott Payne: IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE INTRODUCTIONS? I WILL RECOGNIZE COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY. [16:26] Council Member Robin Wonsley: >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT PAYNE. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE CONTEXT TO THE ITEM I AM INTRODUCING OR NOTICING WHICH IS THE USE OF ALGORITHMS IN RENTAL RATES ORDINANCE. COLLEAGUES, YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS TAKING LEGAL ACTION AGAINST THE COMPANY REAL PAGE IN CONJUNCTION WITH BIPARTISAN COALITION SUPPORT COMPRISED OF BOTH STATE AND FEDERAL LEADERS. [16:47] Council Member Robin Wonsley: REAL PAGE IS A SERVICE FOR LANDLORDS THAT RECOMMENDS RENT LEVELS BASED ON ALGORITHMS, AND ACCORDING TO REAL PAGE'S OWN DATA, OVER 7% OF RENTAL UNITS MANY MINNEAPOLIS USE REAL PAGE, AND MINNEAPOLIS LANDLORDS REAL PAGE IS RECOMMENDED RENT LEVEL 46% OF THE TIME. [17:05] Council Member Robin Wonsley: THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE IS SUING REAL PAGE ON THE GROUNDS THAT IT IS VIOLATING BOTH ANTITRUST AND CONSUMER PROTECTION LAWS BY ESSENTIALLY ARTIFICIALLY MANIPULATING THE MARKET TO DRIVE UP RENT. SO I AM GIVING NOTICE OF INTENT TO INTRODUCE AN ORDINANCE TO BAN THE USE OF ALGORITHMIC SETTING FOR RENT SETTING FOR MINNEAPOLIS LANDLORDS. [17:27] Council Member Robin Wonsley: THIS IS A SIMPLE CONSUMER PROTECTION POLICY TO IMPLEMENT AS PART OF A GROWING NATIONAL MOVEMENT TO LIMIT EXPLOITIVE CORPORATIONS FROM HARMING RENTERS FOR THEIR OWN PROFIT. THAT SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ BE ADDED AS A CO-AUTHOR AS HE'S ALSO BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS WITH HOUSING ADVOCATES AND RENTERS IN HIS WARD ABOUT HOW THIS IS IMPACTING HOUSING CONDITIONS IN HIS RESPECTIVE NEIGHBORHOODS, TOO. [17:54] President Elliott Payne: >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. CLERKS, DO YOU GOT THAT? ALL RIGHT GREAT. SEEING NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, I WILL WILL HAVE THE CLERKS CALL -- OH, MR. CLERK? [18:05] City Clerk Casey Carl: >> MISTAKE. SORRY. [18:07] President Elliott Payne: >> I'LL HAVE THE CLERK CALL THE ROLL. [18:10] City Clerk Casey Carl: >> WONSLEY, AYE. JENKINS AYE. PALMISANO AYE. CHOWDHURY AYE. CASHMAN AYE. OSMAN AYE. RAINVILLE AYE. CHAVEZ AYE. VETAW AYE. ELLISON AYE. KOSKI AYE. VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI, AYE. [18:26] City Clerk Casey Carl: PRESIDENT PAYNE, AYE. >> THERE ARE 13 AYE. [18:28] President Elliott Payne: THAT CARRIES AND THESE MATTERS WILL BE REFERRED TO THE RESPECTIVE COMMITTEES IN THE NEXT CYCLE. THE NEXT ORDER OF BUSINESS IS RESOLUTIONS AS SHOWN ON THE AGENDA, WE HAVE ONE HONORARY RESOLUTION. [18:45] President Elliott Payne: ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS -- THERE'S TWO HONORARY RESOLUTIONS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS? MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT. >> SO MOVED. >> THE CLERK -- IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL. [19:02] City Clerk Casey Carl: >> COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY, AYE. JENKINS AYE. PALMISANO AYE. CHOWDHURY AYE. CASHMAN AYE. OSMAN AYE. RAINVILLE AYE. CHAVEZ AYE. VETAW AYE. ELLISON AYE. KOSKI AYE. VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI, AYE. PRESIDENT PAYNE, AYE. [19:17] City Clerk Casey Carl: >> THERE ARE 13 AYES. [19:20] President Elliott Payne: >> THAT CARRIES. AND THOSE RESOLUTIONS ARE ADOPTED. WE HAVE A NUMBER OF UNFINISHED BUSINESS ITEMS. OUR FIRST IS CONSIDERATION OF THE 2025 AND WAGE SCHEDULES FOR APPOINTED EMPLOYEE GROUP. [19:34] President Elliott Payne: THIS ITEM WAS POSTPONED FROM THE DECEMBER 5 COUNCIL MEETING AS THIS WAS REPORTED OUT OF THE BUDGET COMMITTEE. I WILL RECOGNIZE THAT COMMITTEE'S CHAIR, VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI FOR A MOTION. [19:46] Vice President Aisha Chughtai: >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WILL MOVE TO DENY THE SALARY INCREASES. [19:52] President Elliott Payne: >> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO. [19:57] Council Member Linea Palmisano: >> COLLEAGUES, THE ONLY NET REDUCTION DURING THIS WEEK'S BUDGET DELIBERATIONS THAT THIS BODY MADE OTHER THAN PUTTING OFF THE ERP SOFTWARE IMPLEMENTATION WAS A $600,000 REDUCTION AT THE EXPENSE OF DENYING A COST OF LIVING INCREASE TO 161 CITY STAFF AND THEIR STEP INCREASES. [20:26] Council Member Linea Palmisano: PEOPLE SERVING IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR JOBS UNDERSTAND THIS, BUT FOR THOSE THAT DON'T, THIS IS ABOUT THE PROGRESSION OF A CAREER IN A PUBLIC SECTOR FIELD WHERE BOSSES DON'T CALL YOU INTO THEIR OFFICE OR GIVE ANNUAL RAISES PER SE. YOU GET COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENTS, AND YOU GET STEP PROGRESSION IN YOUR PUBLIC SECTOR CAREER. [20:48] Council Member Linea Palmisano: YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE COST OF THAT? I'M NOT SURE. WE'RE YET TO KNOW THE COST OF DENYING OUR EMPLOYEES THEIR COST OF LIVING INCREASE. I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT'S NOT A RAISE. THAT WAS THE COST OF WHAT WE DID IN EVERY NEGOTIATED LABOR CONTRACT ON AVERAGE, 4%. [21:07] Council Member Linea Palmisano: WHAT IS THE COST OF DEMORALIZED EMPLOYEES? WHAT WILL BE THE COST OF REPLACING SOME OF THESE DEDICATED WORKERS WHO BRING AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF UNTRANSFERABLE, HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE, WHO DON'T FEEL VALUED AND CHOOSE TO FIND OTHER EMPLOYMENT WHERE THEY ARE VALUED. [21:27] Council Member Linea Palmisano: ALL WE HAVE DONE HERE IS KICK A BUDGET CRISIS DOWN THE ROAD AND YOU'RE DOING SO AT THE EXPENSE OF THESE EMPLOYEES. I GREATLY OBJECT TO THIS MOTION. [21:40] President Elliott Payne: >> COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE. [21:43] Council Member Michael Rainville: >> THANK YOU. I AM GOING TO VOTE NO ON THIS. I JUST FIND THIS TO BE IN REALLY POOR TASTE TO DO THIS COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT, IT DOES A DISSERVICE TO THE EMPLOYEES AN SENDS A STRONG SIGNAL THEY ARE NOT VALUED. WE GAVE THIS TO OUR OWN EMPLOYEES AND OUR AIDS, WE SHOULD GIVE IT TO EVERYBODY ELSE. [22:01] Council Member Michael Rainville: IT IS A NORMAL PART OF BUSINESS WORKING FOR THE ENTERPRISE. I WILL BE VOTING NO. I ENCOURAGE YOU TO ALSO CHANGE YOUR VOTES AND VOTE NO AS WELL. [22:12] President Elliott Payne: >> COUNCIL MEMBER CHUGHTAI. VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. [22:20] Vice President Aisha Chughtai: >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST WANTED TO CORRECT THE RECORD VERY BRIEFLY. THERE ARE SEVERAL REDUCTIONS THAT WERE MADE TO THE 2025 CITY BUDGET INCLUDING, YES, $5 MILLION REDUCTION TO THE ENTERPRISE RESOURCE PLATFORM REPLACEMENT PROJECT AS WELL AS $1 MILLION REDUCTION TO THE TECHNOLOGY IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THINGS LIKE CONFERENCE ROOM MODERNIZATION, AND THIS ITEM THAT IS BEFORE US RIGHT NOW ACCOUNTS FOR $1,070,000 SOME ODD DOLLARS REDUCTION TO THE OVERALL BUDGET. [23:04] Vice President Aisha Chughtai: THANK YOU. [23:08] President Elliott Payne: >> COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ. [23:12] Council Member Jason Chavez: >> THANK YOU, COUNCIL PRESIDENT PAYNE. CAN YOU CLARIFY THE MOTION IN FRONT OF US? [23:16] President Elliott Payne: >> SO AYE IF YOU WANT TO DENY. >> CORRECT. >> THANK YOU. [23:25] President Elliott Payne: >> SEEING NO ONE ELSE IN QUEUE, I WILL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL ON THE MOTION TO DENY THE SALARY ADJUSTMENT. [23:31] City Clerk Casey Carl: >> COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY, AYE. JENKINS NAY. PALMISANO NO. CHOWDHURY AYE. [23:36] City Clerk Casey Carl: CASHMAN AYE. OSMAN AYE. RAINVILLE NO. CHAVEZ AYE. VETAW NO. ELLISON NO. KOSKI NO. VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI, AYE. PRESIDENT PAYNE, AYE. THERE ARE SEVEN YAYS AND SIX NAYS. [23:52] President Elliott Payne: >> THAT CARRIES AND THAT ITEM IS ADOPTED. OUR NEXT ITEM IS CONSIDERATION OF THE ONE-YEAR EXTENSION OF THE LETTER OF AGREEMENT WITH THE POLICE FEDERATION FOR CRITICAL STAFFING OVERTIME. THIS WAS POSTPONED FROM THE DECEMBER 5 COUNCIL MEETING, AND I WAS ABLE TO FOLLOW-UP WITH OUR LABOR RELATIONS DIRECTOR, OUR CITY ATTORNEY, AND THE POLICE CHIEF ON THIS. [24:14] President Elliott Payne: MY BIG QUESTION WAS, WAS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SOME REFORMS AROUND THIS LETTER OF AGREEMENT IN CONSULTATION WITH ALL THOSE CONVERSATIONS, PARTICULARLY WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, THIS GOES BACK TO OUR ORIGINAL CONTRACT APPROVAL AROUND THE DISCOURSE AROUND DO WE WANT TO BARGAIN REFORMS OR DO WE WANT TO DO THE REFORMS THAT WE CAN DO BY-RIGHT THROUGH MANAGEMENT. [24:37] President Elliott Payne: HAVING A DEEPER CONVERSATION WITH THE CHIEF, HE'S ACTUALLY FORWARDED ME SOME POLICY LANGUAGE LATE LAST NIGHT BASED AND SOME CONVERSATIONS I HAD PARTICULARLY AROUND MY CONCERNS AROUND OFFICER WELLNESS AND REFORMS WE WANT TO SEE AROUND OFF-DUTY WORK. [24:52] President Elliott Payne: I CAN READ SOME OF THESE AMENDMENTS TO THE POLICY, BUT I THINK THE BIG ONE HERE IS THAT OFF-DUTY EMPLOYMENT SHALL ONLY BE CONSIDERED ONCE DEPARTMENT DUTIES HAVE BEEN SATISFIED. THAT IS A NEW POLICY HE IS PUTTING IN PLACE IN RESPONSE TO THAT CONVERSATION, AS WELL AS A NUMBER OF OTHER REFORMS THAT I CAN GET THIS DISTRIBUTED OUT TO THE BODY. [25:12] President Elliott Payne: BUT JUST WANTED TO GIVE SOME OF THAT CONTEXT AS TO WHY THIS WAS DELAYED. OTHERWISE, THIS ITEM WAS REPORTED OUT OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND ENTERPRISE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, AND I WILL RECOGNIZE THAT SMEE COMMITTEE'S CHAIR, COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY, FOR A MOTION. [25:30] Council Member Robin Wonsley: >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT PAYNE. I WILL LEAVE -- I BELIEVE THIS ITEM WAS REFERRED TO THIS COMMITTEE WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION. SO WE CAN JUST TAKE UP THE ITEM. [25:46] President Elliott Payne: >> SO COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY HAS MOVED APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM. IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI. [25:56] Vice President Aisha Chughtai: >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I AM WONDERING IF IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO JUST EXPLAIN SOME OF THE OTHER POLICY REFORMS BRIEFLY HERE. [26:04] President Elliott Payne: >> SURE, HAPPY TO. WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO DO THAT FIRST, COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE? OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO JUMP IN? MICROPHONE. [26:15] Council Member Michael Rainville: >> YOU KNOW I SPEAK BRIEFLY, SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO GET YOUR QUESTIONS ASKED, TO DIG DEEP INTO THIS, AND I AM ESPECIALLY GRATEFUL FOR THE OFFICER WELLNESS PART. [26:27] Council Member Michael Rainville: AS AN UNDERSTAFFED POLICE FORCE, WE DON'T WANT THEM TO BE OVERWORKED AND BE TIRED AND BE MAKING BAD DECISIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE TIRED. SO I APPRECIATE YOU SPENDING THE TIME ON THE OFFICER WELLNESS PORTION. [26:40] President Elliott Payne: >> THANK YOU. >> I WILL READ JUST THE HIGHLIGHTED PORTIONS THAT WERE AMENDED IN THE POLICY. [26:46] President Elliott Payne: SO OTHER DEPARTMENT DUTIES SHALL BE PRIORITIZED AFTER THE EMPLOYEE'S PRIMARY DUTY ASSIGNMENT. THIS INCLUDES ANY OVERTIME, COURT, AND SPECIAL DUTY. OFF-DUTY EMPLOYMENT WILL BE CONSIDERED ONCE DEPARTMENT DUTIES HAVE BEEN SATISFIED. [27:01] President Elliott Payne: OFF-DUTY EMPLOYMENT, EMPLOYEES SHALL NOT WORK OFF-DUTY EMPLOYMENT IF DOING SO WILL CAUSE THEM TO BE IN VIOLATION OF THE PROVISIONS OF THE POLICY INCLUDING THE ABOVE LIMITATION ON HOURS WORKED AND REQUIRED REST PERIODS. EMPLOYEES SHALL NOT WORK OFF-DUTY EMPLOYMENT IF DOING SO WILL CAUSE THEM TO BE IN VIOLATION OF THE PROVISIONS OF THE POLICY INCLUDING THE ABOVE LIMITATION ON HOURS WORKED AND REQUIRED REST PERIODS. EMPLOYEES WHO VIOLATE THE HOURS WORKED POLICY DUE TO OFF-DUTY EMPLOYMENT ARE SUBJECT TO DISCIPLINE AS WELL AS HAVING THEIR OFF-DUTY EMPLOYEE PRIVILEGES RESCINDED. [27:29] President Elliott Payne: VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI, IS THAT -- [27:32] Vice President Aisha Chughtai: >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. REALLY APPRECIATE YOU JUST STATING THOSE BEFORE WE CONSIDER THIS ITEM. I WONDER IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO GET THAT LANGUAGE ADDED TO THE LIMS FILE, TOO, FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD. [27:44] President Elliott Payne: >> I WILL MAKE SURE TO GET THIS FORWARDED TO THE CLERKS. [27:46] Council Member Robin Wonsley: >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT PAYNE. YEAH, I WISH I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SEEN THIS RIGHT BEFORE NOW. IT'S HARD TO TRY TO PROCESS THIS IN REAL TIME AS YOU'RE READING IT. ONE QUESTION THAT I IMMEDIATELY HAD JUST FROM HEARING YOU READ IT IS THIS POLICY CHANGE THAT WAS SHARED WITH YOU FROM THE CHIEF ESSENTIALLY ALSO SAYING THAT THE CHIEF BASICALLY HAS THE ABILITY TO DENY OFF-DUTY? [28:12] President Elliott Payne: >> IT APPEAR THIS IS POLICY DOES GIVE THE CHIEF THE -- HAS THE AUTHORITY TO PUT SOME LIMITATIONS ON THOSE SHIFTS. [28:20] Council Member Robin Wonsley: >> BUT IT'S NOT CLARIFIED IF IN THE APPROVAL PROCESS ESSENTIALLY HE STILL HAS THE ABILITY TO APPROVE OR DENY. OR CITY ATTORNEYS MIGHT KNOW? [28:28] President Elliott Payne: >> MADAM CITY ATTORNEY? [28:31] City Attorney Kristyn Anderson: >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS, SO I AM SORT OF FRANTICALLY TRYING TO PULL UP THE INJUNCTION LANGUAGE, BUT THERE IS LANGUAGE IN THE INJUNCTION THAT ESSENTIALLY SAYS THAT REGULATIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO -- I'M SORRY I AM GOING OFF OF MY MEMORY, ARE REQUIRED TO INSURE THAT OFF-DUTY DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH THE WORK OF POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE ALLOWABLE. [29:06] Council Member Robin Wonsley: >> RIGHT. I THINK, CITY ATTORNEY, YOU ARE MENTIONING THINGS ABOUT THE INJUNCTION. IT SEEMS LIKE WHAT WAS SHARED WITH PRESIDENT PAYNE WAS POTENTIAL POLICY CHANGES THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN MADE RECENTLY AS IT PERTAINS TO OFF-DUTY. SO AGAIN, THIS SEEMS LIKE MAYBE TOO SEPARATE THINGS THAT'S HAPPENING. [29:23] City Attorney Kristyn Anderson: >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY, I MEAN, I GUESS MY POINT IS, I'M NOT ACTUALLY AWARE OF THOSE POLICY CHANGES. JUST HAPPEN TO NOT BE PLUGGED INTO THAT, BUT THEY WOULD BE ALLOWABLE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE UNDER THE INJUNCTION. SO I MEAN -- >> OKAY. [29:38] President Elliott Payne: >> THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. YEAH, I'LL ADD THIS WAS -- MY CONVERSATION WITH THE CHIEF JUST WITH EVERYTHING WE WERE DOING WITH THE BUDGET DIDN'T HAPPEN UNTIL YESTERDAY AFTERNOON OR SO. AND HE PROMISED HE WOULD GET ME SOME LANGUAGE. THAT DIDN'T COME UNTIL PRETTILY LATE IN THE EVENING LAST NIGHT, SO I ACTUALLY HAS THIS AGENDA ITEM WAS COMING UP AND SEARCHING THE IN-BOX TO CONFIRM WHETHER HE HAD SHARED THAT POLICY LANGUAGE. [30:02] President Elliott Payne: SO IT'S HAPPENING IN REAL TIME. [30:04] Council Member Robin Wonsley: >> AND THEN ALSO THE PROVISION AROUND OFFICER WELLNESS BECAUSE I KNOW MY OFFICE HAS BEEN IN MULTIPLE COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AROUND THIS PARTICULAR PROVISION BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IT WAS NOT NECESSARILY, LIKE, IN FAVOR OF THIS EXTENSION BECAUSE IT'S STILL UNCLEAR OF WHAT SAFEGUARDS ARE BEING PUT IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT PUTTING OVERWORKED AND BASICALLY OFFICERS, BASICALLY IN CONTINUOUS ROTATION OUT IN THE STREETS. [30:33] Council Member Robin Wonsley: AND WHEN WE HAVE THE PRESENTATION IN THE A.O. COMMITTEE, CHIEF ESSENTIALLY SAID, THAT'S BASICALLY THE REALITY THAT WE'RE IN WHERE I DO HAVE TO ESSENTIALLY PUT TIRED OFFICERS ON THE STREETS BECAUSE HE NAMED STAFFING CHALLENGES. AND I DID ASK FOR A CLARIFYING QUESTION, TOO, OF I KNOW, YOU KNOW, FORMER INTERIM CHIEF HAD PUT IN PLACE SOME MORE RESTRICTIONS AROUND OVERTIME IN REGARDS TO, LIKE, PROTECTING OR SAFEGUARDING OFFICER WELLNESS, AND I DO BELIEVE ONE OF THE INITIAL ACTIONS THAT CHIEF O'HARA DID TAKE UP WHEN HE FIRST TOOK ON THIS POSITION WAS ACTUALLY ROLLING BACK SOME OF THAT. [31:15] Council Member Robin Wonsley: AND IN COMMITTEE HE MENTIONED HE DID NOT. I DO BELIEVE THAT STILL IS THE CASE. I DON'T THINK THAT WAS FACTUAL. SO I'M STILL UNCLEAR, AGAIN, OF HOW, WHATEVER POLICY CHANGES WERE SHARED WITH YOU, AND IF THERE WAS ANYTHING AROUND OFFICER WELLNESS BECAUSE IN MY COMMUNICATIONS, IT STILL DIDN'T FEEL CERTAIN OF, LIKE, HOW THIS EXTENSION IS NOT FURTHER XAS EXASPERATING THE POTENTIAL RISK OF US, AGAIN, NOT ONLY PUTTING TIRED OFFICERS ON THE STREETS, BUT TIRED OFFICERS CAN BE A HARM TO THEMSELVES OR TO CIVILIANS. [31:46] Council Member Robin Wonsley: AND WE'RE PUT IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE PAYING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN SOME LEVEL OF A SETTLEMENT EITHER THROUGH PTSD OR THROUGH A LEGAL SETTLEMENT TO A POTENTIAL VICTIM OF ESSENTIALLY POLICE VIOLENCE. SO I WASN'T SURE IF THAT GOT FULLY FLESHED OUT, TOO, AND ANY CHANGES TO OFFICER WELLNESS AND WHAT THEY SHARED WITH YOU. [32:07] President Elliott Payne: >> I RAISED THAT ISSUE WITH THE CHIEF YESTERDAY IN MY CONVERSATION WITH HIM AROUND MY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, AND SPECIFICALLY AROUND THE CONCERN THAT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS ALSO THAT HE HAD MADE CHANGES TO THE LIMITATIONS ON HOURS. >> MM-HMM. [32:23] President Elliott Payne: >> I ACTUALLY READ THE AMENDMENTS HE ADDED TO THIS POLICY, BUT THIS IS THE LIMITATIONS ON HOURS POLICY. AND IN HERE, AND ACTUALLY, IN THE NUANCED CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD, BASICALLY THAT PREVIOUS POLICY UNDER INTERIM CHIEF HOUGHMAN WAS A LIMITATION OF GIVEN HOURS IN A WORK WEEK, AND HE EXPRESSED IT WAS A CHALLENGE TO HOLD OFFICERS ACCOUNT TO BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE THE PAY PERIOD IS LONGER THAN ONE WORK WEEK. [32:47] President Elliott Payne: SO IN READING THE POLICY AS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, I WILL READ THIS OUT LOUD FOR THE RECORD. TIME LIMITS AND REST REQUIREMENTS. TO SUPPORT PLEA EMPLOYEE WELLNESS AND DEPARTMENT READINESS, EMPLOYEES SHALL OBSERVE THE FOLLOWING TIME RESTRICTION. [33:02] President Elliott Payne: ONE, TOTAL WORK IN THE PAY PERIOD. EMPLOYEES SHALL NOT WORK MORE THAN 160 HOURS TOTAL IN A PAY PERIOD, SO THAT'S IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE LIMITATIONS OF THE PAY PERIOD TRACKING, RATHER THAN THE ONE-WEEK TRACKING. TWO, DAY OFF EACH PAY PERIOD, EMPLOYEES SHALL HAVE AT LEAST one FULL 24-HOUR DAY WITH NO WORK SHIFTS IN ANY CAPACITY IN EACH PAY PERIOD. [33:25] President Elliott Payne: THREE, REST BETWEEN SHIFTS. EMPLOYEES SHALL HAVE AT LEAST 8 CONSECUTIVE HOURS OFF WITHIN EVERY 24-HOUR PERIOD. AND FOUR, WHICH IS THE NEW POLICY THAT I HAD JUST READ OFF-DUTY EMPLOYMENT, EMPLOYEES SHALL NOT WORK OFF-DUTY EMPLOYMENT IF DOING SO WILL CAUSE THEM TO BE IN VIOLATION OF THE POLICY INCLUDING ABOVE LIMITATIONS ON HOURS WORKED AND REQUIRED REST PERIOD. [33:48] President Elliott Payne: EMPLOYEES WHO VIOLATE THE HOURS WORKED POLICY DUE TO OFF-DUTY EMPLOYMENT ARE SUBJECT TO DISCIPLINE AS WELL AS HAVING THEIR OFF-DUTY EMPLOYEE PRIVILEGES RESCINDED. [33:59] Council Member Robin Wonsley: >> OKAY. THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THAT CONTEXT. I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH THE C.A.O. PIECE AND CONVERSATIONS AROUND BUDGET AND WHAT THE PUBLIC ALSO OFTEN DOESN'T AND THE INCREASE IN PROPERTY TACHSS IS THE MISMAGNET WITH M.P.D. AND A SECOND CONSENT DECREE AND WE HAD TO PAY OUT TENS OF MILLIONS OF SETTLEMENT, SO YOU SEE THAT ON PROPERTY TAXES LARGELY GOING TO ONE DEPARTMENT, SO I WANT TO NOT REPLICATE SIMILAR CONDITIONS TO PUT US IN A FINANCIALLY PRECARIOUS POSITION AND IT IS GOOD TO HEAR THE CHANGES THAT WERE NOT IN THE COMMITTEE WHEN WE TOOK THIS UP FOR DELIBERATION, SO THANKS FOR PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION. [34:44] Council Member Katie Cashman: >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THANKS FOR DOING THIS WORK. I WANTED TO ASK ABOUT THE POLICY CHANGE PIECE BECAUSE WE DID APPROVE A NEW TRANSPARENCY POLICY TECHNOLOGY EARLIER THIS YEAR WHERE THE POLICE POLICY WEBSITE FOR TRANSPARENCY AND HOW CHANGES ARE MADE, WHEN THEY ARE MADE, AND I SEE THAT THE MANUAL WAS UPDATED NINE DAYS AGO, SO IT IS BEING UPDATED REGULARLY, BUT DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE ON WHEN THE TECHNOLOGY AND WEBSITE WILL BE ROLLED OUT? [35:30] President Elliott Payne: >> I DO NOT, AND IN FACT, YOU RAISE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE AS WELL AROUND WHAT IS THE NORMAL PROCEDURE FOR POLICY UPDATES ESPECIALLY AROUND THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. I DON'T KNOW THAT THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT AND CALLING THE CHIEF AND IN A 24-HOUR WINDOW IS THE APPROPRIATE WORK FLOW FOR POLICY DEVELOPMENT. MAYBE I SHOULD CALL ON THE CITY ATTORNEY TO SPEAK TO THAT. [35:58] City Attorney Kristyn Anderson: >> OH GOODNESS, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU ARE TAPPING MY MEMORY OF WHAT'S IN THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. THERE IS A PROCESS IN THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT TO MAKE POLICY CHANGES THAT PARTICULAR PROCESS APPLIES TO THE TYPES OF POLICIES THAT ARE ACTUALLY CALLED FOR IN THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT, AND I DON'T HAVE A RECOLLECTION OF WHETHER THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE BUCKET POLICIES. [36:25] City Attorney Kristyn Anderson: BUT NEVERTHELESS, EVEN IF IT IS, THERE ARE PROVISIONS FOR THE CHIEF TO MAKE QUICK, SORT OF QUICK REAL-TIME POLICY CHANGES AND IF IT IS IN ONE OF THE BUCKETS, IT CAN GO THROUGH THE PROCESS SUBSEQUENT. AND YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE WORKING CLOSELY WITH ALIFA AND THERE ARE WAYS TO AMEND THE POLICIES, YOU KNOW, QUICKLY TO DEAL WITH THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DEALT WITH. [36:51] Council Member Katie Cashman: >> THANK YOU. I JUST TO CONCLUDE MY COMMENTS, I THINK POLICIES ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS THE PUBLIC CAN DIGEST THEM BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY POLICIES ARE VALID IS IF WE CAN HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE TO THEM. AND SO I JUST THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AND I AM NOT SAYING WITHIN THE WINDOW OF TODAY OR BY THE END OF THE YEAR, BUT WITHIN THE NEW YEAR, IT IS IMPORTANT TO GET AN UPDATE ON THE COUNCIL AND THE TECHNOLOGY AND HOW WE AND ALL RESIDENT CANS VIEW AND TRACK THE CHANGES BEING MADE AT THE M.P.D. [37:26] President Elliott Payne: >> I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY A REALLY GOOD NOTE. I AM GOING TO LOOK TO COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ BECAUSE THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY, BUT I MIGHT SUGGEST COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE AND SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WOULD BE A GOOD VENUE FOR WHAT IS THE WORK FLOW AND HOW POLICY IS GOING TO BE UPDATE AND IMPLEMENTED BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE IS A PORTAL ON THE PUBLIC WEBSITE THAT ALLOWS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON A POLICY. [37:56] President Elliott Payne: OBVIOUSLY THE CHIEF SENT THIS LAST NIGHT. IT HASN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE PUBLISHED TO THE PORTAL FOR THE OPEN COMMENT PERIOD, SO I THINK THAT WE SHOULD DILIGENTLY WORK THROUGH THAT IN THAT WAY. COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO. [38:09] Council Member Linea Palmisano: >> COLLEAGUES, CRITICAL STAFFING IS DOUBLE PAY. THAT'S WHY IT'S ATTRACTIVE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT SOME LEVELS OF EMPLOYEES ARE REQUIRED TO WORK ONE MANDATORY SHIFT PER 28-DAY CYCLE. THE POINT HERE IS, EXCEPT FOR ONE SHIFT, IT'S NOT REQUIRED, BUT IT'S VERY ATTRACTIVE BECAUSE IT'S DOUBLE PAY, AND IT SHOULD BE RARE. [38:46] Council Member Linea Palmisano: THIS LETTER AND we SPOKE ABOUT THIS AT COMMITTEE IS TO JUST HOW RARE THAT WOULD BE, RIGHT? IS THERE ANY INCENTIVE TO GO FROM A GROUP WAITING UNTIL A CHIEF IS SO DESPERATE TO HAVE TO SAY THAT IT'S CRITICAL STAFFING IN ORDER FOR PEOPLE TO ACCEPT IT. TAKING CARE OF OUR CITY EMPLOYEES IS TAKING CARE OF OUR CITY. THAT WAS PART OF MY POINT ON THE LAST ITEM. [39:07] Council Member Linea Palmisano: WE DON'T DELIVER THESE SERVICES DIRECTLY TO RESIDENTS, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT WE DO HERE AS A BODY T WAY THAT WE'RE SUPPORTED BY OUR ENTIRE I.G.R. TEAM, NOR DO WE DELIVER POLICE SERVICES OURSELVES. WE ARE RELYING ON OUR NEARLY 4,000 CITY EMPLOYEES ACROSS THE BOARD TO DO ALL OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITY DOES. [39:27] Council Member Linea Palmisano: I ALSO WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT A COMMITTEE PER CHIEF O'HARA T CRITICAL STAFFING OVERTIME ARE TYPICALLY THE MOST UNDESIRABLE SHIFTS, OVERNIGHT SHIFTS, THAT ARE DIFFICULT TO FILL IN THE FIRST PLACE. UNTIL THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS FULLY STAFFED, WE NEED TO INCENTIVIZE OFFICERS TO FILL THE SHIFTS TO KEEP A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF COVERAGE IN OUR CITY AT ALL TIME. [39:51] Council Member Linea Palmisano: THE LONG-TERM SOLUTION HERE IS HIRING MORE OFFICERS AND WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS ON THAT. IT WON'T BE IMMEDIATE BECAUSE THE C.S.O.s AND OTHERS, THEY'RE NOT OUT THERE WORKING ALONE. THEY'RE GOING TO NEED OTHERS TO WORK WITH THEM FOR A WHILE AND THAT IS PART OF WHAT THIS IS FOR. WE NEED -- WE DO HAVE A LOT OF JUNIOR C.S.O.s AND OTHERS WORKING ON A FULL POST CERTIFICATION, BUT THEY ARE NOT YET FULL OFFICERS. AND SO THEY NEED TO BE WORKING WITH SOMEBODY ELSE WHO IS THAT HAS THAT KIND OF POST-CERTIFICATION AND AUTHORITY. THANK YOU. [40:32] President Elliott Payne: >> COLLEAGUES, I JUST -- I FORWARDED THE EMAIL TO THE CLERKS FOR PUBLICATION IN LIMS. I JUST FORWARDED IT TO ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS SO THAT YOU HAVE THAT LANGUAGE AS WELL FOR YOUR REFERENCE. AND WITH THAT, I WILL ASK THE CLERK TO CALL THE ROLL. [40:48] City Clerk Casey Carl: >> COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER JENKINS, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO, YA I YAY. >> COUNCIL MEMBER CHOWDHURY, AYE. [40:57] City Clerk Casey Carl: >> COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMAN, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER OSMAN, AYE. >> SOMEBODY RAINVILLE, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER KOSKI, AYE. >> VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI, AYE. >> PRESIDENT PAYNE, AYE. >> THERE ARE 13 AYES. [41:13] President Elliott Payne: >> THAT CARRIES AND THE AGENDA IS ADOPTED. ITEMS THREE AND FOUR ARE THE RECONSIDERATION OF TWO RESOLUTIONS VETOED BY THE MAYOR. THE FIRST IS A VETO OF RESOLUTION 2024R-430 EXPRESSING SOLIDARITY WITH NONVIOLENT CAMPUS ACTIVISM OPPOSING WAR AND SUPPORTING PALESTINIAN HUMAN RIGHTS ADOPTED AT THE LAST MEETING. [41:33] President Elliott Payne: THE SECOND IS A VETO OF RESOLUTION 2024R-442, THE 2025 GENERAL APPROPRIATION RESOLUTION. I WILL ASK THE CLERK TO EXPLAIN THE PROCEDURE FOR US IN TERMS OF RECONSIDERING THE MAYOR'S VETO OF THESE ITEMS. MR. CLERK. [41:55] City Clerk Casey Carl: >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. AS YOU NOTED, RESOLUTION 430 WAS RETURNED WITH THE MAYOR'S VETO AND HIS OBJECTIONS IN WRITING. AND PURSUANT TO CITY CHARTER SECTION 4.4C3 AND COUNCIL RULE 7.8, ANY ACT VETOED BY THE MAYOR IS RETURNED FOR AUTOMATIC RECONSIDERATION AS PROVIDED IN THE RULE, THAT RECONSIDERED ACT IS PLACED BEFORE THE BODY IN THE SAME FORM WITHOUT DEBATE, WITHOUT AMENDMENT, AND THE IMMEDIATE QUESTION POSED TO THE COUNCIL IS AS FOLLOWS. [42:19] City Clerk Casey Carl: SHALL THE DECISION OF THE CITY COUNCIL STAND NOT WITHSTANNEDING THE VETO OF THE MAYOR? IF AT LEAST 2/3 OF THE COUNCIL VOTES IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, THEN THE MAYOR'S VETO IS OVERRIDDEN AND THE ORIGINAL ACT AS PASSED BY COUNCIL IS THEN ADOPTED. THAT MEANS THAT AN OVERRIDE REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF AT LEAST 9 AFFIRMATIVE VOTES. [42:39] City Clerk Casey Carl: OTHERWISE T MAYOR'S VETO IS SUSTAINED AND THE ORIGINAL ACT FAILS. SO WITH THAT, MR. PRESIDENT, I AM READY TO CALL THE ROLL ON THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE MAYOR'S VETO OF RESOLUTION 2024R-430. THIS IS THE RESOLUTION EXPRESSING SOLIDARITY WITH NONVIOLENT CAMPUS ACTIVISM. [42:57] President Elliott Payne: >> SO AN AYE ON THIS WOULD BE A VOTE TO OVERTURN THE VETO. A NAY VOTE ON THIS WOULD BE A VOTE TO SUSTAIN THE VETO. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCEDURE FOR THE CLERK? SEEING NONE, WE WILL BEGIN WITH ITEM THREE ON OUR AGENDA. [43:14] President Elliott Payne: THE MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE RESOLUTION RELATING TO NONVIOLENT CAMPUS ACTIVISM OPPOSING WAR AND SUPPORTING PALESTINIAN HUMAN RIGHTS. TO OVERRIDE THE VETO REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF AT LEAST 9 AFFIRMATIVE AYE VOTES. THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL. [43:29] City Clerk Casey Carl: >> COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER JENKINS, NAY. >> COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO, NO. >> COUNCIL MEMBER CHOWDHURY, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMAN, NAY. >> COUNCIL MEMBER OSMAN, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE, NAY. >> COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ, AYE. [43:45] City Clerk Casey Carl: >> COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW, NO. >> COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER KOSKI, NO. >> VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI, AYE. >> PRESIDENT PAYNE, AYE. >> THERE ARE SEVEN AYES AND SIX NAYS. [44:00] President Elliott Payne: >> THAT MOTION FAILS AND THE MAYOR'S VETO IS SUSTAINED. THE RESOLUTION EXPRESSING SOLIDARITY WITH NONVIOLENT CAMPUS ACTIVISM IS NOT ADOPTED. FINALLY, WE WILL CONSIDER ITEM FOUR THE 2025 GENERAL APPROPRIATION RESOLUTION. AGAIN, TO OVERRIDE THE VETO REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF NINE AFFIRMATIVE VOTES, THAT IS YAY YAYS. THE CLERK WILL CALL THE ROLL. [44:22] City Clerk Casey Carl: >> COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER JENKINS, NAY. >> COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO, NO. >> COUNCIL MEMBER CHOWDHURY, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMAN, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER OSMAN, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER RAINVILLE, NAY. >> COUNCIL MEMBER CHAVEZ, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW, NO. [44:41] City Clerk Casey Carl: >> COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON, AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER KOSKI, AYE. >> VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI, AYE. >> PRESIDENT PAIN, AYE. >> THERE ARE NINE AYES AND FOUR NAYS. [44:54] President Elliott Payne: THAT MOTION CARRIES. THE VETO IS OVERTURNED AND THE 2025 GENERAL APPROPRIATION RESOLUTION IS ADOPTED. OUR NEXT ITEM OF BUSINESS ARE ANNOUNCEMENTS. I'LL ASK IF THERE ARE ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS. COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY. [45:11] Council Member Robin Wonsley: >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT PAYNE. JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS ON BOTH THE VETOES WE TOOK UP. FIRST, WITH THE NONVIOLENT PROTEST ONE, I JUST WANT TO SHARE WITH THE STUDENTS THAT I'M SORRY AT THIS POINT IN TIME THAT BOTH THE MAYOR AND SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE STILL IN THE PLACE WHERE WE CAN'T SEE THE TRAGIC INJUSTICE BEING COMMITTED. [45:30] Council Member Robin Wonsley: AND NOT JUST HAVE THE COURAGE TO STAND UP FOR WHAT'S RIGHT AND I KNOW WHILE CENSORING THE ALLEGED MINOR PROPERTY DAMAGE IN THIS CONVERSATION IS IMPORTANT FOR SOME IN THIS CONVERSATION, I DO KNOW THAT THE STUDENTS WHO ARE FIGHTING TO END THE ETHNIC CLEANSING THAT HAS KILLED THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, PRIMARILY WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN GAZA, YOU ALL, AGAIN, STILL REMAIN SOME OF THE MOST BRAVE AND COURAGEOUS PEOPLE THAT INSPIRE ME AND I KNOW MILLIONS OF OTHERS SUSTAIN IN THIS FIGHT FOR A FREE PALESTINE. [46:01] Council Member Robin Wonsley: I HOPE THAT, AGAIN, YOU RECOGNIZE THAT YOUR BRAVERY IS INSPIRING MANY FOLKS TO TAKE BOLD AND NECESSARY ACTION. AND I'M HOPEFUL THAT JUST AS WE DID WITH BLACK LEADERS WHO STOOD UP AND TOOK OVER IN THE 1970s IN SOLIDARITY FOR LOOKING TOED A -- TO ADVANCE CIVIL RIGHTS AND FIGHT AGAINST RACIAL SEGREGATION AND THEY ARE BEING HONORED BY THE UNIVERSITY OF MINNESOTA RIGHT NOW IN THE PAST WEEKS. [46:33] Council Member Robin Wonsley: I FEEL VERY CERTAIN THAT, UNFORTUNATELY, YEARS FROM NOW WE'RE GOING TO EXPERIENCE THE SAME CONUNDRUM WITH YOU ALL, AND IT IS UNFORTUNATE WE COULD DON'T WHAT'S RIGHT IN THE CURRENT MOMENT. ALSO, IN SWITCHING TO THE BUDGET VETO OVERRIDE, I DO WANT TO SHARE A COUPLE OF THINGS BECAUSE THERE IS LOTS OF JUST MISINFORMATION GOING OUT THERE, ESPECIALLY CONTRARY TO WHAT IS BEING SHARED BY MAYOR FREY AS HE IS DOING THE CURRENT PRESS TOUR. [46:56] Council Member Robin Wonsley: I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES ONCE AGAIN FOR SHOWING THE POLITICAL LEADERSHIP TO USE OUR BUDGETARY AUTHORITY TOED A VANCE THE NEEDS OF WORKING -- TO ADVANCE THE NEEDS OF WORKING CLASS RESIDENTS AND COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE CITY. I WILL ARGUE THAT THE REASON THAT 70 PLUS AMENDMENTS HAD TO HAPPEN AT ALL IS BECAUSE THE MAYOR'S PROPOSED BUDGET WAS COMPLETELY AND I BELIEVE ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES SHARED THIS, BUT OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE MOST PRESSING NEEDS OF OUR RESIDENTS, ESPECIALLY THOSE RESIDING IN OUR MOST UNDERSERVED AND UNDERRESOURCED COMMUNITIES. [47:28] Council Member Robin Wonsley: AND AGAIN, SO MUCH MISINFORMATION HAS GONE OUT THERE AS IT PERTAINS TO THIS BUDGET. I KNOW A NUMBER OF US, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO TACKLE EVERY SINGLE FALSE STATEMENT THAT HAS BEEN MADE, BUT I DO WANT TO ADDRESS THE CLAIMS BY MAYOR FREY THAT HAS BEEN STATING THE COUNCIL HAS TOOK HARMFUL ACTIONS AS IT PERTAINS TO ENCAMPMENTS AND JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT THE ADMINISTRATION'S CURRENT POLICY BASICALLY STANDS TO EXPAND SIGNIFICANT RESOURCES ON ENCAMPMENT CLEARINGS WHICH HAVE SHOWN, YOU KNOW, TO NOT REDUCE HOMELESSNESS. [47:58] Council Member Robin Wonsley: THEY JUST SIMPLY MOVE UNSHELTERED FOLKS FROM ONE BLOCK TO ANOTHER. AND THIS HAS BEEN THE CASE FOR YEARS. DESPITE DATA SHOWING THAT THIS RUTHLESS TACTIC DOES NOT HELP THE SOLUTION. ALSO, I NEED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE ACTIONS THAT THIS BODY TOOK DOES NOT STOP THE MAYOR FROM CONTINUING MANY OF HIS FAILED APPROACHES TO HOMELESSNESS SUCH AS ENCAMPMENT CLEARINGS, WHICH, AGAIN, HAS COST TAXPAYERS MILLIONS OF DOLLAR, BUT WHAT COUNCIL DID DO THIS BUDGET PSYCHLE IS REPRIORITIZE EXISTING RESOURCES TO ADVANCE A HOUSING FIRST APPROACH WHICH DATA DOES SHOW TENDS TO BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE APPROACH WHEN RESPONDING TO UNSHELTERED HOMELESSNESS. [48:37] Council Member Robin Wonsley: AND BECAUSE OF THIS BODY TAKING THAT ACTION, SIGNIFICANT RESOURCES WILL BE PUT INTO THIS EFFECTIVE STRATEGY TO REDUCE HOMELESSNESS. WE'VE SHARED A NUMBER OF THOSE OVER THE COMING DAYS. ONE OF THEM BEING THE INVESTMENT IN EMERGENCY HOUSING VOUCHERS, WHICH BASED OFF HENNEPIN COUNTY'S OWN PROJECTIONS WOULD house up to 30% OF UNSHELTERED RESIDENTS, AND STABILIZING AVIVO VILLAGE AND STABLE HOMES, STABLE SCHOOLS. [49:05] Council Member Robin Wonsley: THANK YOU SO COUNCIL VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI AND COUNCIL MEMBER KOSKI FOR LEADING A VERY EFFECTIVE, TRANSPARENT BUDGET PROCESS. DESPITE, YOU KNOW, TONS OF INFORMATION OUT HERE, YOU ALL MADE SURE THIS PROCESS WAS DONE IN A DEMOCRATIC AND TRANSPARENT WAY. [49:21] Council Member Robin Wonsley: AND YOU WORKED WITH EVERY SINGLE COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WAS INTERESTED TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR PRIORITIES WAS REFLECTED IN THIS PROCESS AND INCORPORATED INTO THE BUDGET. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THAT. AND I'M JUST VERY PROUD, AGAIN, OF THE ACTION THAT THIS COUNCIL TOOK, AND I DO WANT TO NOTE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO USE OUR OVERSIGHT AUTHORITY EVERY SINGLE STEP OF THE WAY TO INSURE IN THE COMING MONTHS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION ACTUALLY ADMINISTERS THE CITY OPERATIONS TO SUPPORT THE BUDGET PRIORITIES THAT WE DID PASS. [49:54] Council Member Robin Wonsley: AND I'M VERY GLAD THAT WE PASSED THE OVERALL EQUITABLE BUDGET THAT HONORS AND ADDRESSES SOME OF THE MOST PRESSING NEEDS THAT MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING FOR YEARS. THEY HAVE ASKED FOR HELP, HAVE ASKED FOR RESOURCES, AND HAVE BEEN DENIED AND DEPRIVED OF THAT ESPECIALLY UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION. [50:12] Council Member Robin Wonsley: I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AND I HOPE IN THE COMING WEEKS we're ABLE TO CELEBRATE MANY OF THE GAINS AND WINS OF THIS BUDGET AS OPPOSED TO HAVING TO COMBAT MORE MISINFORMATION FROM MAYOR THAT IS VERY FOCUSED ON MAKING THIS A POLITICAL SPECTACLE -- [50:33] President Elliott Payne: >> PLEASE DON'T ASCRIBE MOTIVES. [50:36] Vice President Aisha Chughtai: >> YEAH SURE. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO DO THIS THE NIGHT WE ADOPTED THE BUDGET, BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHARE A ROUND OF THANK YOU'S NOW THAT WE HAVE APPROVED THE 2025 CITY BUDGET. [51:06] Vice President Aisha Chughtai: AND I WANTED TO START BY THANKING THE BUDGET OFFICE WITHIN OUR FINANCE AND PROPERTY SERVICES AND JANE DESENZA AND THE INCREDIBLE TEAM SHE WORKS WITH AND OVERSEES. IN PARTICULAR, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK CLOSELY AND WITH JUSTIN AND THE BUDGET OFFICE AND WANT TO THANK THEM FOR THEIR TIRELESS WORK ON THIS YEAR'S BUDGET BOTH IN THE BUDGET OFFICE WORKS YEAR ROUND, AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THEM FROM WHEN THE RECOMMENDED BUDGET THAT IS TRANSFORMATIVE FOR ME. [52:06] Vice President Aisha Chughtai: I WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR'S CABINET TO WORK WITH US AS WE NAVIGATED A TRICKY AND OFTEN TIMES DIFFICULT AND PAINFUL CONSIDERATIONS IN THE PROCESS OF ADOPTING THIS YEAR'S UPCOMING BUDGET. AND I WANTED TO THANK OUR CITY ATTORNEY KRISTIN ANDERSON AND HER INCREDIBLE TEAM, AND IN PARTICULAR I WANTED TO UPLIFT OUR ETHICS OFFICER DAN ABLESON AND WORKED WITH HIM AT ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT OVER THE THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY AND HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY RESPONSIVE, AND I DEEPLY, DEEPLY APPRECIATE WE WOULD NOT HAVE MADE IT THROUGH THE BUDGET SEASON WITHOUT YOUR TEAM. [53:00] Vice President Aisha Chughtai: THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I WANTED TO THANK OUR CLERKS AND IN PARTICULAR, TED AND PAUL FOR THEIR WORK ON THE BUDGET COMMITTEE. AS YOU KNOW, I WENT THROUGH SOME STAFFING CHANGES IN MY OFFICE, AND THAT NOTHING SLIPPED THROUGH THE CRACKS AND WE SAID THIS MANY, MANY TIMES THAT NOTHING HAPPENS WITHOUT THE CLERKS. [53:34] Vice President Aisha Chughtai: AND I DON'T WANT TO JUST THANK YOU AND, OF COURSE, MR. CARL. FINALLY -- NO, TWO MORE. I PROMISE. THE INCREDIBLE TEAM OF AIDES THAT EXIST IN ALL OF OUR OFFICE, IN PARTICULAR THE AIDES THAT IN ALL OF YOUR OFFICES THAT WERE WORKING MOST CLOSELY ON THE BUDGET AND JUST GOING DOWN THE ROW HERE, I HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH RUTH AND COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO'S OFFICE AND CELESTE IN WARD TWO AND THE INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF WORK ON THIS BUDGET AND SO ON. AND OF COURSE, KAI IN MY OFFICE. WE JUST HAVE AN INCREDIBLE TEAM OF AIDES AND THEY TOLD US UP, TOO. [54:42] Vice President Aisha Chughtai: AND FINALLY, THIS IS THE LAST ONE PROMISE. I'M SORRY TO THANK YOU ALL OF YOU FOR ENGAGING IN THIS PROCESS. I KNOW IT HAS BEEN REALLY DIFFICULT. AND WE MADE IT THROUGH TO THE END. CONGRATULATIONS. WE ARE DONE WITH THE MEETINGS FOR THE YEAR AND WE DON'T HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A BUDGET CRISIS. [54:59] Vice President Aisha Chughtai: THAT IS EXCITING. BUT JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR TRUST AND CONTINUING TO ENGAGE IN THIS LONG JOURNEY. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME BEING CHAIR OF A COMMITTEE, AND JUST THANK YOU. SERIOUSLY. [55:15] Council Member Linea Palmisano: >> THANK YOU. MR. CHAIR, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO START BY SHARING MY PERSPECTIVE ABOUT WHAT I'M READING AND HEARING OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS. THE MAYOR PROPOSED A BUDGET OF 8.1% PROPERTY TAX INCREASE IN AUGUST. IT WAS THE BOARD OF ESTIMATE AND TAXATION WHOSE COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVES ARE YOURSELF AND COUNCIL VICE PRESIDENT CHUGHTAI WHO INCREASED THE BUDGET LEVY TO 8.3 IN SEPTEMBER, I BELIEVE, LATE SEPTEMBER IS WHEN THAT HAS TO HAPPEN. [55:52] Council Member Linea Palmisano: BUT IT IS UNICORN MATH TO BE OUT THERE CLAIMING VICTORY THAT WE REDUCED THE LEVY BY 1.4% OR ROUGHLY $7.12 MILLION FOR 2025, BUT THEN NOT ACKNOWLEDGE THE $6.5 MILLION AND MORE OF NEW SPENDING THAT WE ADDED IN. [56:10] Council Member Linea Palmisano: ADD TO THAT SEVERAL AMENDMENTS THAT TAKE AWAY BASIC CITY SERVICES AND TRADE FOR NEW PROGRAMS THAT THIS COUNCIL WANTED TO ADD IN. THE ONLY NET REDUCTION THIS BODY MADE WAS A REDUCTION AT THE EXPENSE OF, ONE, DENYING A COST OF LIVING INCREASE TO 161 CITY STAFF AND THEIR STEP INCREASES. [56:33] Council Member Linea Palmisano: YOU JUST MENTIONED OUR AIDS IN OUR OFFICES, AND WE GAVE OUR AIDES AN INCREASE, BUT WE AREN'T MENTIONING THE PEOPLE THAT DO WORK AND PEOPLE MOVING GEORGE FLOYD SQUARE WORK ALONG, OUR ENTIRE IGR TEAM, CPED STAFF WHO HAVE RENEGOTIATED TERMS OF OUR STADIUM OBLIGATIONS, SAVING OUR TAXPAYERS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, AND MANY MORE. [56:56] Council Member Linea Palmisano: PEOPLE IN FIRE, PEOPLE IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, JUST FOR EXAMPLE, THIS IS SOME OF THEM. THIS REDUCTION WAS MADE AT THE EXPENSE OF DEFERRING IMPLEMENTATION OF TECHNOLOGY PROJECTS. THIS REDUCTION WAS MADE AT THE EXPENSE OF DELAYING THE PURCHASE OF AN INTERNAL H.R. TECH PLATFORM ERP, THAT IS AN OLD, FRAGILE, GOVERNMENT RELIC DESPERATELY OUT OF DATE. [57:22] Council Member Linea Palmisano: THIS WILL HINDER THE MODERNIZATION OF OUR WORKFORCE, HUMAN RESOURCE FLOW AND OPERATIONS AS WE LOOK TO HIRE MORE PEOPLE AND RETIRE A LOT MORE PEOPLE IN THESE COMING YEARS. THESE WERE JUST TEMPORARY CUT. WE STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS NEEDED H.R. SYSTEM AND TECHNOLOGY UPGRADE SOON. [57:41] Council Member Linea Palmisano: WE STILL NEED TO PAY AND AS I SAID EARLIER, WE'RE YET TO KNOW THE COST OF DENYING OUR EMPLOYEES THESE 161 EMPLOYEES, THEIR COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENTS AND REGULAR PROGRESSION OF THEIR CAREERS. ALL WE HAVE DONE IS KICK A BUDGET CRISIS DOWN THE ROAD. MAYBE TO NEXT YEAR, MAYBE TO ANOTHER COUNCIL, BUT EVENTUALLY THESE BILLS COME DUE, AND THAT'S ON US. [57:57] Council Member Linea Palmisano: I'M ALSO BAFFLED BY SOME SUDDEN REALIZATION OF THIS EMERGENCY TO REDUCE THE LEVY. IN OUR COUNCIL MEMBER BUDGET PRIORITIES ADOPTED IN JUNE, ONLY TWO OF YOU -- COUNCIL MEMBER VETAW AND COUNCIL MEMBER KOSKI -- EVER MENTIONED THE LEVY AS A PRIORITY. AND I OBJECTED TO PARTICIPATING BY IDENTIFYING PERSONAL PRIORITIES IN TIME OF A BUDGET CRISIS. [58:21] Council Member Linea Palmisano: ALL THE OTHER PRIORITIES WERE ABOUT SPENDING. THERE IS A REAL BASIC PHRASE BUT TO MAKE IT PUBLICLY BROADCASTABLE, I'LL JUST SAY, STUFF COSTS MONEY. OUR ADOPTED BUDGET COMMITTEE WORK PLAN OUTLINES THAT THE BUDGET COMMITTEE WILL DECIDE IN SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER IF IT WANTS TO CHOOSE TO DEVELOP A POSITION OF RECOMMENDATION ON THE LEVY. [58:55] Council Member Linea Palmisano: TO MY KNOWLEDGE, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT WAS NEVER EVEN BROUGHT UP. THE BUDGET COMMITTEE IS MADE UP OF ALL 13 MEMBERS OF THE BODY, SO WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN IN DECEMBER WAS IT THE UTMOST IMPORTANCE TO REDUCE THE LEVY? INTERESTINGLY, A LOT OF THE THINGS MY COLLEAGUES HAVE BEEN LOBBYING FOR FOR MONTHS, THE ENTERPRISE RESOURCE PLATFORM, FOR EXAMPLE, WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS CUT WITHOUT HESITATION WHEN IT CAME POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT. [59:15] Council Member Linea Palmisano: OUR WORK PLAN ALSO CALLS FOR THE BUDGET CHAIR TO PRESENT THIS POSITION STATEMENT TO THE B.E.T., BUT BUDGET CHAIR CHUGHTAI, I AM UNAWARE IF THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED OR NOT. [59:35] Council Member Katie Cashman: >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT PAYNE. I REALIZE WE ARE ON ANNOUNCEMENTS AND NOT DISCUSSION, BUT IF IT'S OKAY, SINCE WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF TIME TO JUST REFLECT ON THE BUDGET AND WHEN WE PASSED IT AND ALSO TODAY, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO END ON A CELEBRATORY NOTE ACTUALLY BECAUSE I AM REALLY PROUD OF THE WORK WE DID OVER THE LAST SIX MONTHS. [59:55] Council Member Katie Cashman: I AM REALLY GRATEFUL TO THE WARD 7 RESIDENTS WHO ENGAGED WITH ME ABOUT THE BUDGET. I HELD A BUDGET WORKSHOP IN SEPTEMBER. I WENT TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE NINE NEIGHBORHOODS IN WARD 7 TO DO A BUDGET EXERCISE ON WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES WERE. I AM GUESSING ALL OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS DID THE SAME. [1:00:10] Council Member Katie Cashman: WE ARE ON THE GROUND TALKING TO OUR CONSTITUENTS DAY AFTER DAY AND WE KNOW WHAT THEY NEED. THAT'S WHY WE AMENDED THE BUDGET TO MARE SURE THEIR NEEDS WERE MET. I AM REALLY PROUD OF THE INVESTMENTS WE MADE, THE TOP THINGS I HEARD FROM WARD 7 RESIDENTS WAS, COMMUNITY SAFETY, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND HOMELESSNESS, ECONOMIC INCLUSION, AND RECOVERY. [1:00:32] Council Member Katie Cashman: ADDING A CRIME PREVENTION SPECIALIST IN THE FIFTH PRECINCT IS GOING TO BE HUGE FOR WARD 7. FUNDING EMERGENCY HOUSING VOUCHERS IN AVIVO VILLAGE IS GOING TO BE HUGE FOR AIR DRESSING HOMELESSNESS. MAKING SUREDTAP AND OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITY FUND ARE MAINTAINED IN THE BUDGET AS WELL AS FUNDING TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE FOR UPTOWN IS TRANSFORMATIONAL FOR MY WARD. [1:00:55] Council Member Katie Cashman: THIS IS MY FIRST BUDGET YEAR, AND I FEEL A DEEP SENSE OF PRIDE AND A DEEP SENSE OF CELEBRATION TODAY. I'M SO GLAD WE GOT THIS DONE SO WE DON'T HAVE A BUDGET CRISIS IN FRONT OF US DURING THE UPCOMING HOLIDAY, AND THANK YOU TO ALL THE COLLEAGUES WHO HELPED ME FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THROUGH THIS AND HOW TO GET THIS DONE AND DELIVER FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS. I'M REALLY GRATEFUL. [1:01:13] Council Member Jeremiah Ellison: >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. JUST WANTED TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS BUDGET PROCESS, I THINK, FOR ESPECIALLY MYSELF AND OTHERS, WE GOT A LOT OF WORK DONE. I'M PROUD OF ALL THE WORK WE DID. IT WAS DIFFICULT AND IT WAS A DIFFERENT PROCESS THAN I AM USED TO. ME AND COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO COME FROM A DIFFERENT CULTURE OF HOW THINGS USED TO BE, AND I HAD TO SPEND THE LAST YEAR GRAPPLING WITH THE WAYS IN WHICH CITY HALL ARE CHANGING. [1:01:49] Council Member Jeremiah Ellison: I DO THINK, HOWEVER, IT'S WRONG TO SAY THAT THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE INSTITUTION ARE A RESULT OF JUST COUNCIL ACTION. IT IS A TWO-WAY STREET. AND I THINK THAT THERE IS -- THERE WAS A MASSIVE, MISED OPPORTUNITY BY THE ADMINISTRATION, BY THE MAYOR, AND THIS JUST ISN'T ABOUT FINGER POINTING. [1:02:10] Council Member Jeremiah Ellison: I THINK BOTH SIDES OF OUR GOVERNMENT NEED TO SORT OF LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE FIGHTING. IT IS DEMOCRACY. FIGHTING IS KIND OF THE DEAL, RIGHT? THAT'S OKAY. BUT I THINK WE NEED -- WE BOTH NEEDS TO LOOK IN THE MIRROR AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO MITIGATE SOME OF THIS. [1:02:28] Council Member Jeremiah Ellison: HOW WE MAKE SURE THAT STAFF AREN'T CAUGHT IN THE CROSSFIRE. HOW WE MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT PUTTING OURSELVES AND OTHERS IN AWKWARD SITUATIONS, BUT I THINK IT IS -- I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A MISTAKE TO SAY THAT IT IS A MATTER OF POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY WHEN TALKING ABOUT THE COUNCIL, BUT NOT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MAYOR? I THINK THAT'S A MISTAKE. [1:02:52] Council Member Jeremiah Ellison: IT IS A MISTAKE TO SAY THAT THE LACK OF COMMUNICATION CAME FROM THE BUDGET CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR AND NOT FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ADMINISTRATION. I THINK THAT'S A MISTAKE. AND I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO GO HAND IN HAND TO THE FUTURE AND SORT OF DOUBLE DOWN ON THIS EFFORT TO RECONCILE GOVERNMENT RESTRUCTURE, AND CHANGE THE WAY WE GOVERN, THAT WE GOT TO DO IT TOGETHER. [1:03:24] Council Member Jeremiah Ellison: I THINK THAT MORE AND MORE WE ARE SEEING A DEEPENING PARTISANSHIP, AND I DON'T THINK COUNCIL IS DRIVING THAT CULTURE CHANGE. I WILL SAY THAT. PEOPLE CAN DISAGREE WITH THAT, BUT I DO -- I DON'T THINK COUNCIL IS DRIVING THAT CULTURE CHANGE. IF WE WANT TO DEBATE THAT, WE CAN DEBATE IT. [1:03:41] Council Member Jeremiah Ellison: BECAUSE I GOT EVIDENCE AND NONE OF YOU GUYS CAN ARGUE WITH ME, I WILL JUST SAY THAT. THE THING THAT IS MOST IMPORTANT HERE FOR US TO RECOGNIZE IS THAT WE HAVE BEEN TOLD HORROR STORIES ABOUT FUTURE BUDGETS EVER SINCE I HAVE BEEN IN OFFICE. EVER SINCE I HAVE BEEN IN OFFICE, WE HAVE BEEN TOLD HORROR STORIES ABOUT THIS BUDGET FOR THE NEXT BUDGET AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. [1:03:57] Council Member Jeremiah Ellison: THEY HAVE NEVER COME TO FRUITION. I HAVE SEEN SOME THINGS COME TO FRUITION THAT I NEVER THOUGHT WOULD HAPPEN. I SAW THE CITY SETTLE A $20 MILLION LAWSUIT. I THOUGHT WE WOULDN'T REPEAT THAT ONLY TO REPEAT IT A FEW YEARS LATER. AND SO IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT SPENDING AND HOW WE GET THE TAXPAYERS MONEY UNDER L KRO, WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE WHOLE POT. [1:04:47] Council Member Jeremiah Ellison: FEARMONGORING ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER, FINGER POINTING ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER IS A HUGE MISTAKE. I THINK THAT IT WOULD BEHOOVE THE MAYOR TO MAKE SOME PHONE CALLS OVER THE HOLIDAY AND IT WAS BEHOOVE US AND GIVE THE MAYOR AND STAFF CALLS OVER THE HOLIDAYS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MITIGATE THIS IF THIS IS A GENUINE DESIRE TO MITIGATE THIS NEXT YEAR. [1:05:09] Council Member Jeremiah Ellison: I AM NOT ALWAYS CONVINCED THERE IS A GENUINE DESIRE. SOME HAVE CALCULATED THAT THE MESS IS POLITICALLY GOOD FOR THEM, BUT IF THAT IS NOT TRUE, LET'S WORK ON THAT. I WILL BE MAKING SOME PHONE CALLS BUT I DON'T WANT TO LOSE SIGHT AS COUNCIL MEMBER CASHMAN SAID ON THE THINGS WE ESTABLISHED IN THE BUDGET THAT WILL BE GOOD FOR THE CITY. I DON'T NEED TO RENAME THEM. [1:05:35] Council Member Jeremiah Ellison: I THINK YOUR LIST IS SUFFICIENT. AND I DO THINK WE COULD GO ON, BUT I THINK FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING, YOUR LIST WAS A GOOD LIST. WE HAVE TO HIGHLIGHT THESE THINGS AND TELL THAT STORY AND THE WAY WE WILL BE HELPFUL TO INSTITUTIONS. AND WE'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE WAY PEOPLE EXPERIENCE IS NOT ON THE THIRD FLOOR OR THE FIFTH FLOOR. PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE LIVING THEIR DAY-TO-DAY LIVES, RIGHT, AND WE'VE GOT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. [1:06:05] Council Member Jeremiah Ellison: THAT IS ALL I WILL LEAVE YOU WITH. IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A HIGH NOTE, A LITTLE BIT OF A LOW NOTE AS IS MY STYLE, BUT THANK YOU, GUYS, AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK AND I AM GLAD WE WON'T BE REDOING THE BUDGET IN THE NEXT 10 DAY. [1:06:24] President Elliott Payne: >> THANK YOU FOR THAT, COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON. I PUT MYSELF IN QUEUE BECAUSE I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY ON THIS BODY. THIS IS MY FIRST TIME CHAIRING ANY BODY IN THIS INSTITUTION THIS TERM, AND SO IT WOULD BE FUN TO SAY, WHAT WOULD BE THE RIGHT WORD TO SAY? AN INTERESTING TERM SO FAR. [1:06:47] President Elliott Payne: WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH A LOT. IT'S BEEN INTENSE AND I WANT TO SHARE GRATITUDE WITH THE COLLEAGUES ON THE DAIS WHO WERE ELECTED, BUT I WANTED TO SHARE GRATITUDE FOR CLERK CARL AND CITY ATTORNEY ANDERSON. I CONSIDER MYSELF A GARDEN VARIETY NERD, AND GOVERNMENT NERDS ARE A WHOLE NEW BEAST AND WE HAVE HAD TO BECOME GOVERNMENT NERDS TOGETHER AS WE NAVIGATE AND AS COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON HIGHLIGHTED, SOME OF THE MOST PROFOUND GOVERNMENT CHANGES IN THE CITY'S HISTORY. [1:07:23] President Elliott Payne: THE NEW GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE. THE FACT THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS HAD TO REALLY EMBRACE CULMINATING IN THE FIRST TIME IN THE HISTORY'S VETO OF A BUDGET WHICH WE JUST OVERRODE AND THIS IS ALL HIGH DRAMA IN A LOT OF WAYS BUT ALSO THIS IS THE GROWING PAINS AND I HAVE BEEN GRATEFUL TO CHAIR THIS PROCESS AND HAVE SUCH DEDICATED FOLKS TO NAVIGATE -- THIS HAS BEEN REALLY HARD. [1:08:02] President Elliott Payne: IT WAS REFRESHING TO MEET WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE OVER OUR LUNCH RECESS AS WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO IF THE MAYOR VETOES THE BUDGET. AND TO SEE THE CITY ATTORNEYS BE EXCITED ABOUT THAT CONVERSATION -- [LAUGHING] AND IT GAVE ME PEACE TO KNOW BUT WOULD BE IN GOOD HANDS AS WE NAVIGATED THE WATER, AND COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON IS SHARING ONLY THE TIP OF WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE AND I THINK EXPRESSED IT IN IN A WAY AND TO SAY IT IS A NEW YEAR. [1:08:43] President Elliott Payne: WE HAVE LEARNED -- I AM HOPING WE HAVE LEARNED SOME THINGS THIS YEAR TO APPLY TO NEXT YEAR. I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO DO THAT. I WILL CALL ON COUNCIL MEMBER PALMISANO. [1:08:58] Council Member Linea Palmisano: >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, THAT I APPRECIATE THE ANNOUNCEMENTS AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO REFLECT SINCE HER TAKING CARE OF THE MAYOR OVERRIDE IN THIS MEETING RIGHT AWAY. I APPRECIATE COUNCIL MEMBER ELLISON'S ANNOUNCEMENTS AND I WON'T FAULT HIM FOR INSINUATING I MIGHT BE OLD IN THE BEGINNING OF THEM. THAT IS OKAY SINCE WE'RE PHILOSOPHYING ON THE GOVERNMENT -- NO DISRESPECT TO THE CHAIR OF THE COMMISSION. [1:09:41] Council Member Linea Palmisano: THE COUNCIL -- HERE'S WHERE I'M AT. THE COUNCIL SHOULD SET A POLICY DIRECTION AND WE DO. AND WE SHOULD APPROVE A BUDGET THAT EXECUTES STAFF TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. WE HAVE BEEN TOLD WITH GOVERNMENT RESTRUCTURE WE DON'T HAVE MANAGERIAL CONTROL, BUT WE HAVE THE POWER OF THE PURSE. THE COUNCIL THIS TERM HAS INTERPRETED THAT TO EXERT MANAGERIAL CONTROL, AND THAT, I BELIEVE, IS THE WRONG INTERPRETATION. [1:10:07] Council Member Linea Palmisano: I BELIEVE THAT IS THE WRONG INTERPRETATION. I DON'T HAVE TIME TO LIST THE HANDOUTS GIVEN TO THE BODY ABOUT THE FAVORITE PROJECTS AFTER THE LAST HEARING TO NONPROFITS ONE AFTER ANOTHER AFTER ANOTHER. I WILL DO SO ANOTHER TIME BUT I WOULD RUN OUT OF TIME HERE TODAY. [1:10:41] Council Member Robin Wonsley: >> I JUST WANTED TO NAME, WHERE DOES THAT DECORUM? [1:10:45] President Elliott Payne: >> PLEASE DON'T ASCRIBE MOTIVES, COUNCIL MEMBER WONSLEY. >> I AM QUESTIONING MOTIVES, NOT ASCRIBING ANYTHING. [1:10:53] President Elliott Payne: >> AN ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, I SEE NO ONE ELSE IN QUEUE. IT'S BEEN A WONDERFUL YEAR SERVING WITH YOU ALL. I HOPE YOU ALL GET REST AND RELAXATION AND WE CAN COME BACK FRESH AND ANEW. AND WITH THAT, THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. [1:11:02] [ADJOURNED] . . .