INGIN >> Downs: PLEASE RISE AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. [ PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] >> COMMENTS OF PUBLIC INTEREST THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS TO ALLOW UP TO FIVE MINUTES PER SPEAKER WITH 30 TOTAL MINUTES ON ITEMS OF INTEREST OR CONCERN AND NOT ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE CURRENT AGENDA. THE PLANNING AN COMMISSION MAY NOT DISCUSS THES ITEMS, BUT MAY RESPOND WITH FACTUAL OR POLICY INFORMATION. THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY CHOOSE TO PLACE THE ITEM ON A FUTURE AGENDA. THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY. WE DO HAVE SPEAKERS. YES, WE DO. DAVID BARCH. >> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. FIRST, WELCOME TO ALL THE NEW COMMISSIONERS. THANKS FOR THE TIME YOU'LL BE DEDICATING TO PLANO TO CONTINUE KEEPING IT A CITY OF EXCELLENCE. I WAS HERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO ON THIS DEVELOPMENT AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TONIGHT TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT ON THE CORNER OF LEGACY AND CUSTER FOR HIGH DENSITY APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT IS IN NO CONCEIVABLE WAY COMPLEMENTING THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS. WHEN THE ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY WAS PUT IN PLACE OVER 27 YEARS AGO THERE WASN'T A SINGLE THREE-STORY APARTMENT IN PLANO AND THE TYPICAL GARDEN APARTMENTS WERE TWO STORIES WITH LOTS OF GREEN SPACE SURROUNDING THEM. THIS PLAT HAS ALL THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF A SHOE BOX AND COMES NOTHING NEAR THE REQUIREMENTS THAT PLANO HAS FOR USABLE OPEN SPACE. THE PLANNG AND ZONING COMMISSION WAS GIVEN INCORRECT INFORMATION FROM THE PLANO ATTORNEY TWO WEEKS AGO AND THEY VOTED ON THAT BAD INFORMATION. MY SUSPICION IS THE DEVELOPER MAY HAVE MISLED CITY STAFF OR MODIFIED THEIR INITIAL PLAT HOPING IT WOULD NOT BE NOTICED. THE OPEN SPACE PLAT DATED JUNE 1 ONLY SHOWED 359 APARTMENTS INCLUDING 45 THREE-BEDROOM APARTMENTS. NOW, LOOK AT THE AUGUST PLAT FOR STREETAND SEMENTS THAT YO CONSER. IT HAS FOUR MORE APARTMENT HOMES FOR A NEW TOTAL OF 363. AND NOW INCLUDES 96 THREE MORE THAN 50 ADDITIONAL BEDROOMS OVER WHAT WAS INITIALLY PROPOSED. IF WE TAKE THE INCREASED DENSITY AND DO NEW OPEN SPACE CALCULATIONS, WE SEE THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT NOW REQUIRES 229,000 SQUARE FEET OF USABLE OPEN SPACE, NOT THE 215 SHOWN ON THE PLAT. 215,000, PARDON ME, SHOWN ON THE PLAT. WE QUESTIONED THE DEVELOPER'S INITIAL FIGURES SHOWING THEY GENEROUSLY INCLUDED A SURPLUS OF 2,051 SQUARE FOOT OF OPEN SPACE BUT SINCE THE ACTUAL REQUIREMENT IS 14,000 SQUARE FEET LARGER THEY COME UP SHORT BY AT LEAST 12,000 FEET BASED ON THEIR OWN REVISED PLAT. THIS MUST BE REJECTED. ADDITIONALLY, ACCORDING TO ZONING REGULATIONS, THE PROJECT IS REQUIRED TO HAVE 229,000 FEET OF USABLE OPEN SPACE. USABLE OPEN SPACE DOES NOT INCLUDE SMALL PIECES OF LAND, STREETS DRIVEWAY OVERHEAD ELECTRIC EASEMENTS, AND DRAINAGE AREAS. THIS PROJECT DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE CLOSE TO THE REQUIRED USABLE OPEN SPACE. THESE ARE THE STREETS IN THE PROJECT. FAE STANDS FOR FIRE ACCESS EASEMENTS. IN ADDITION TO THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE REQUIRED USABLE OPEN SPACE THERE ARE SUBSTANTIVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ARE MET. FOR INSTANCE, IF A MINIMUM 100-FOOT FRONT YARD IS REQUIRED FOR A THREE-STORY BUILDG HOW N TH BE MET BY PUTTING A SINGLE STORY AND A TWO-STORY BUILDING BEFORE THE THREE-STORY BUILDING. THAT'S HARDLY A FRONT YARD. I DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE TWO DRIVEWAYS ON LEGACY AND CUSTER. WHEN THE ZONING WAS APPROVED, BOTH LEGACY AND CUSTER WERE FOUR LANES AND NOW THEY ARE SIX. TRAFFIC SURVEY SURELY WOULD SHOW THEY ARE VERY BUSY, ESPECIALLY DURING RUSH HOUR. I ALSO THINK THE DEVELOPER TAKES EXCESSIVE CREDIT FOR AREAS LIKE THE POOLS AND PLAYGROUND. HE'S OVERSTATED THE DIMENSIONS AND THEN TAKEN FOUR TIMES THE CREDIT, RATHER THAN THE THREE TIMES THE CREDIT THAT'S ALLOWED. THEY DID THIS BY SUBTRACTING THREE TIMES THE AMENITY SPACE FOR THE REQUIRED SPACE AND THEN AGAIN TAKING CREDIT FOR THE AMENITY SPACE AS OPEN SPACE. FIXING THIS WOULD RESULT IN 12,000 SQUARE FEET REDUCTION NOW MAKING HIS APPLICATION DEFICIENT BY OVER 24,000 SQUARE FEET. SOME MISCELLANEOUS SCRAPS OF LAND ARE COUNTED. I'M SORRY. SUCH AS THIS AND THIS THAT SHOULDN'T BE CONSIDERED USABLE SPACE AT ALL. FOR INSTANCE, A SMALL PIECE OF LAND NEXT TO THE MAILBOXES AND PARKING CURB. IT'S REALLY JUST LEFTOVER BETWEEN THE TWO AND WILL PROBABLY HOLD GARBAGE CANS FOR PEOPLE TO THROW AWAY THEIR JUNK MAIL. I DON'T CALL THAT USABLE OPEN SPACE. FINALLY THESE 363 APARTMENTS WILL HAVE ALMOST 800 PARKING SPACES YET THE EGRESS AND INGRESS TO THIS COMPLEX IS ONLY 24-FEET WIDE. >> SIR, YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS. >> THANK YOU. THAT'S NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR GARBAGE TRUCKS, UTILITY, FIRE TRUCKS, AND MOVING TRUCKS TO ACCESS IT PROPERLY SO EY WILL PROBABLY PUT IN A RIGHT-TURN LANE OR A LEFT-TURN LANE INTO THAT AND THAT'S GOING TO FURTHER REDUCE THE OPEN SPACE. A FEW WEEKS AGO, CITY LEGAL STAFF INFORMED THE COMMISSION THAT YOU CANNOT REJECT THE PLAT. THAT'S NOT TRUE IF THE PLAT DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S ZONING ORDINANCE. WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE P&Z NOTHING WAS SAID ABOUT APPARENT NON-COMPLIANCE. >> SIR, YOU'VE REACHED YOUR TIME LIMIT. >> WHILE THE VOTE TO TABLE WAS 3-3, FIVE OF THE SIX COMMISSIONERS PRESENT SAID THEY DID SO BECAUSE LEGAL STAFF SAID THEY COULD NOT REJECT IT. YOU CAN REJECT THIS PLAT AND YOU MUST. >> Downs: THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. >> WILL YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> DAVID BARCH. I'M HALF A MILE FROM THIS MONSTER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME . >> JUST ONE POINT I'D LIKE TO MAKE AND THAT IS THAT THAT THE APPROVAL WENT THROUGH AS A MATTER OF LAW ON OCTOBER 29th AND THE CITY STANDS BEHIND ITS LEGAL ADVE. >> Downs: THANK YOU. CONSENT AGENDA? >> THAT WAS IT FOR SPEAKERS. >> Downs: THANK YOU. >> CONSENT AGENDA. THE CONSENT AGENDA WILL BE ACTED UPON IN ONE MOTION AND CONTAINS ITEMS WHICH ARE ROUTINE AND TYPICALLY NONCO ITEMS MAY BE REMOVED FROM THIS AGENDA FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION BY COMMISSIONERS, STAFF, OR ANY CITIZEN. CITIZENS ARE LIMITED TO TWO ITEMS AND DISCUSSION TIME OF THREE MINUTE THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIF THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY. >> Downs: WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO PULL AN ITEM FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? SEEING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVEVEE >> SECOND. >> Downs: I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HORNE BY A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKI TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. PLEASE OTE . AND THAT ITEM CARRIES 8-0. ITEMS FOR INDIVIDUAL CONSIDERATION. >> PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. APPLICANTS ARE LIMITED TO 15 MINUTES OF PRESENTATION TIME WITH A FIVE-MINUTE REBUTTAL, IF REMAINING SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO 30 TOTAL MINUTES OF TESTIMON TIME, WITH THREE MINUTES ASSIGNED PER SPEAKER. THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY MODIFY THESE TIMES AS DEEMED NECESSARY AGENDA ITEM NO. 1. PUBLIC HEARI ZONING CASE 2021-015. REQUEST TO REZONE 2.9 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF 15TH STREET AND M AVENUE FROM URBAN RESIDENTIAL TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT-URBAN RESIDENTIAL. ZONED URBAN RESIDENTIAL. APPLICANT: TWCP WESTHEIMER WILCREST LTD. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION. I'M ERIC HILL, SENIOR PLANNING MANAGER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THE APPLICANT IS CONTINUING TO REFINE THIS REQUEST AND IS DISCUSSING A FEW REMAINING SITE DESIGN ISSUES WITH STAFF. DUE TO THESE ISSUES THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING THAT THIS ITEM BE TABLED TO THE NOVEMBER 15 MEETING. I WOULD BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY ALSO AVAILABLE IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS FORHEM. >> Downs: DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. McCARY. >> COULD YOU SHARE WITH US WHAT THE MAJOR ISSUES MAY BE THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS, ERIC? >> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SHOW YOU, I WILL DESCRIBE TO YOU. IT'S A UNIQUE PROPERTY. YOU CAN SEE IT HAS A UNIQUE GEOMETRY DUE TO ITS EXISTING SITUATION BETWEEN SOME HOMES TO THE NORTH AND STREETS ON THE EAST, SOUTH, AND WEST. AND SO THE DESIGN OF THIS PROPERTY HAS GONE THROUGH VARIOUS ITERATIONS WITH STAFF. THOSE ARE POSTED ON THE CITY'S DU TO THOSE CONSIDERATIONS,BUT BASICALLY SINCE IT'S AN INFILL PROPERTY, THERE'S BEEN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT SETBACKS AND KIND OF STREET DESIGN, THINGS LIKE THAT AND WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH SOME UNIQUE DESIGNS WITH THE APPLICANT TO JUST SEE HOW TO BEST FIT INTO THIS SITUATION, TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE NEIGHBORS SO IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO DESCRIBE WITHOUT ANYTHING BEFORE YOU BUT WE'VE LOOKED AT REALLY HEIGHT SITUATIONS AND APPROPRIATE SETBACKS AND JUST THE LAYOUT OF THE SUBDIVISION IN GENERAL. SO DUE TO THOSE ISSUES, IT'S TAKEN US A WHILE AND THE APPLICANT A WHILE TO GET ON THE SAME PAGE AS F AS WHAT'S MOST APPROPRIATE HERE. SO WE'VE WORKED THOSE THINGS OUT I THINK AND THAT PRESENTATION OR THE APPLICATION IS PRETTY MUCH READY FOR THE NEXT AGENDA. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Downs: YES. >> QUICK QUESTION. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RESIDENTIAL AND PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, IS IT JUST COMMERCIAL? >> RIGHT. A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT REQUEST, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO THE BASE ZONING, THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT IS THE URBAN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT WHICH DOES ALLOW FOR DETACHED SINGLFAMI HOM. SO THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING AT MODIFICATION OF SOME SETBACKS, SOME OTHER SITUATIONS LIKE HEIGHT IN ORDER TO FIT THEIR PRODUCT ON THE PROPERTY. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. >> THANK YOU. >> Downs: ANYONE ELSE? MR. BRONSKI, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> SO I NOTICED IN THE APPLICANT'S LETTER DATED OCTOBER 26, HE MENTIONED THAT HE WAS WANTING MOR TIME TO MEET WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO REFINE THE CONCEPT. NEIGHBORHOOD OR WORKING WITH YOU? WHAT'S THE FEEDBACK HE'S GETTING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS REQUIRING A FOURTH? >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION AND I THINK THE APPLICANT CAN PROBABLY ADDRESS WHAT THEIR CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN LIKE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I KNOW WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING WITH THEM STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION ON THIS SITE AND THAT HAS LED TO SOME VARIOUS DESIGN CHANGES. I THINK AS THEY RECEIVE THOSE REQUESTS FROM US THEY WOULD TAKE THEM BACK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO DISCUSS THAT WITH THEM. ASOR THE RESPONSE, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION FOR THEM TO ANSWER. >> Downs: THANK YOU. IS THAT IT? I NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> YES, THAT'S ALL. MY APOLOGIES. >> Downs: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? WITH THAT I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION OR ANSWER QUESTIONS? >> THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION. I'LL PHYLLIS WITH CITY CENTRIC PLANNING AND I'M REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT. YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, WE HAVE HAD ONE IN-PERSON MEETING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD BACK IN THE SUMMER. WE HAD A ZOOM MEETING ONCE THINGS KIND OF LOCKED DOWN AGAIN AND WE HAVE BEEN SENDING PERIODIC UPDATES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS OUR PLANS HAVE EVOLVED. AS ERIC DESCRIBED, WE'VE GONE THROUGH SEVERAL ITERATIONS WITH THIS PLAN . IT IS AN INFILL PROPERTY WITH ALL THE CHALLENGES THAT COME WITH THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE CLOSE, I THINK. YOU KNOW, TRYING TO WORK THROUGH SOME JUST MAKING OUR PRODUCT FIT WITH THIS PROPERTY AND ITS ODD SHAPE AND ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATIONS AND ALL OF THAT THAT COMES ALONG WITH THIS PROPER. >> Downs: ANYTHING ADDITIONAL? >> NO, SO I WAS OVER THERE OVER THE WEEKEND TAKING A LOOK AND I NOTICED THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE USING THAT PARK AND THEY HAD SIGNS EVEN PUT OUT BECAUSE THEY WERE LOOKING AT DOING A BLOCK PARTY OVER THERE. I WAS WONDERING IF THERE WAS ANY DIFFICULTY WITH THE USAGE OF THE PARK AND SO FORTH WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S WHAT I WAS KIND OF CURIOUS ABOUT. >> THE PROPERTY WAS ZO OWNED BY THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH BEFORE IN-HOME TOWNS PURCHASED IT AND IT HAS BEEN USED AS AN INFORMAL PARK BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU KNOW, NOTHING THAT'S ORGANIZED OR SPONSORED BY THE OWNERS BUT I KNOW THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES USE THAT. THERE ARE PICNIC TABLES AND SOME NICE TREES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE AS MANY OF THOSE AS WE >> Downs: ANY ADDITIONAL? MR. STONE? >> Stone: GOOD EVENING. YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR LETTER ABOUT WORKING WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. N YOU GIVE US AN UPDE ON WHERE YOUTAND WITH THE NEIGHBORS? IS EVERYONE ON BOARD WITH THIS PROGRAM? >> I DON'T KNOW THAT I COULD SAY THAT. LIKE I SAID, WE HAD A COUPLE OF MEETINGS EARLY IN THE PROCESS. THE NEIGHBORHOOD DOES HAVE CONCERNS, AS EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD DOES ABOUT INFILL DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO ADDRESS THOSE. YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN THINGS LIKE LOCATION OF ROOF DECKS, PRESERVATION OF TREES CERTAINLY HAS BEEN A BIG ISSUE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO ADDRESS THOSE AS BEST WE CAN. >> Stone: WILL THIS TWO-WEEK EXTENSION GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME? >> YES, SIR, I BELIEVE IT WILL. WE'RE VERY CLOSE, WORKING WITH STAFF THROUGH ALL OF THE ISSUES. >> Stone: GOOD. THANK YOU. >> Downs: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> WE DO NOT BUT WE HAVE ONE RESIDENT WHO REGISTERED IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT. >> Downs: THANK YOU. WITH THAT, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONFINE THE DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION. COMMISSIONER HORNE. >> Horne: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THE DISCUSSON ABOUT YOUR MEETGS WITH THE CITIZENS. BUT LOOKING AT WHAT WE HAD IN OUR PRELIMINARY MEETING, IT LOOKS LIKE THE 15th IS GOING TO BE A FULL, FULL MEETING FOR US SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, AGAIN, WE'VE ALREADY HAD THIS TABLED NOW THREE TIMES. I WOULD LIKE TO PUSH THIS NEXT -- OUR NEXT REVIEW OF THIS TO DECEMBER 6, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. THAT WILL ALLOW US PLENTY OF TIME TO REVIEW THE PETITION AND COME UP WITH OUR QUESTIONS THAT WE MAY HAVE FOR THE APPLICANT. >> Downs: WAS THAT MADE IN THE FORM OF A MOTION? >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS ZONING CASE UNTIL DECEMBER 6 TO ALLOW US PLENTY OF TIME FOR THE REVIEW OF THE APPLICANT. >> Downs: I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HORNE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CARY. IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 8-0. AGENDA ITEM NO. 2. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 2. PUBLIC HEARING: ZONING CASE 2021-024. REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR COMMERCIAL ANTENNA SUPPORT STRUCTURE ON 0.1 ACRE LOCATED 33 FEET NORTH OF HEDGCOXE ROAD AND 446 FEET EAST OF INDEPENDENCE PARKWAY. ZONED APPLICANT: SBA TOWERS X, LLC. >> THANK YOU. MELISSA SPRIEGEL, LEAD PLANNER WITH THE PLAING DEPARTMENT. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTG TO TABLE THE ZONING CASE 2021-024 TO THE DECEMBER 20th, 2021 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO REFINE THE REQUEST. AND I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE COMMISSION ACCEPT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO TABLE. >> Downs: THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? ANER A QUESTIONS AND WE DOBLE TO HAVE EIGHT SPEAKERS. FIRST UP TO THE PODIUM IS SHAUNDA SHEKHAR AND WHILE THIS INDIVIDUAL GOES UP, IF I CAN HAVE SHARINAVAS AND DAVID BEACHMAN COME DOWN. >> Downs: IF YOUR NAME IS CALLED, COME ON DOWN TO THE FRONT. IT WILL SPEED THINGS UP FOR EVERYBODY. >> THANK YOU. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS. >> SURE. I LE AT 7928 CLARK SPRINGS. DRIVE. IT'S ABOUT 220 FEET FROM THIS PROPOSED TOWER. I'M NOT IN THE 200-FOOT RADIUS BUT IN THE 500-FOOT RADIUS. I HOPE YOU CAN SEE THIS ONE. THE PLANO CITY WEBSITE COLLECTED FEEDBACK FROM RESIDENTS. EVERY SINGLE DOT IS IN OPPOSITION OF THAT. WE WENT TO THE MEETING HELD BY T-MOBILE AND THEY SHOWED ME A MAP OF THE SIGNAL STRENGTH AND THE AREA THAT NEEDS EXTRA COVERAGE IS WEST OF INDEPENDENCE AND SOUTH OF THE DAVIS LIBRARY. SO OUR AREA HAS GOOD SIGNAL STRENGTH ALL THE TIME. I HAVE BEEN LIVING THERE SINCE 1998 AND I DON'T SEE HOW THIS TOWER WOULD BENEFIT WHERE THERE IS, ACCORDING TO THEIR MAPS, THERE IS EXCELLENT SIGNAL STRENGTH. I DON'T HAVE THAT MAP AVAILABLE TO SHOW IT TO YOU BUT THEIR OWN MAP SHOWS THE AREA THAT NEEDS SERVICES SOUTHWEST OF DAVIS LIBRARY. SO THEY'RE PUTTING IT IN THE WRONG PLACE AND THEY'RE PUTTING IT IN OUR FACES. THEY'RE PUTTING IT WITHIN 200 FEET OF HOMES AND NOW THEY'RE TRYING TO DELAY THE TABLING TO DECEMBER 20th SO THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF CHRISTMAS AND HOLIDAY SEASON AND DON'T COME TO OPPOSE IT. I REQUEST YOU TO DENY THIS REQUEST WITHOUT FURTHER ADO. AS YOU CAN SEE, EVERYBODY HAS OPPOSED IT. I MADE A MISTAKE WHEN I PUT IN MY REQUEST AND IT WENT IN AS IN FAVOR OF SO I WENT BACK AND CORRECTED IT SO THE GREEN DOT THAT YOU SEE IS MINE AND IT IS A MISTAKE. SO EVERY SINGLE ONE IS IN OPPOSITION. >> YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS, SIR. >> THANK YOU. SO AND I REQUEST YOU NOT TO HOLD IT ON DECEMBER 20 IN THE MIDDLE OF CHRISTMAS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE APPLICANT WANTS BECAUSE THEY WANT EVERYBODY IN CHRISTMAS. >> Downs: NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. >> GOOD EVENING, ALL. MY NAME IS [INDISCERNIBLE]. I LIVE IN 7937 CLARK SPRINGS DRIVE. SO THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE IS WITHIN 200 FEET FROM MY HOUSE. IT IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AND BEING A CELL TOWER WITH THE HEALTH RISKS AS WELL AS WITH THE COMMUNITY IMPACT, POTENTIAL REAL ESTATE IMPACT, I'M QUITE CONCERNED THAT IT IS BEING PROPOSED IN THE WRONG PLACE. THERE'S HARDLY ANY SPACE BETWEEN THE WALMART AND THE ROAD AND MY HOUSE SO IN VIEW OF THIS I HAD REQUESTED TO STOP THIS CONSTRUCTION THERE. THERE'S A LOT OF OPPOSITION THERE. IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE. IT IS ON MY FACE, AS SUCH. I AM A T-MOBILE CUSTOMER MYSELF AND I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE SERVICE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> Downs: THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE. >> WHILE MN COMES TO THE PODIUM, IF I COULD HAVE RICHARD MARCH. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DAVID BEACHMAN AND I'M A RESIDENT ON ALDER DRIVE IN PLANO. I LIVE WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF THE STRUCTURE. I HAVE AN 8-YEAR-OLD AND 11-YEAR-OLD SON. MY WIFE'S THERE WITH ME AS WELL AND I'M QUITE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LASTING HEALTH EFFECTS THAT THIS STRTUREOULD HAVE ON MY FAMILY. I ACTUALLY JUST LEARNED ABOUT THIS STRUCTURE FAIRLY RECENTLY. I HAD TO DIG DEEP IN THE FCC FILES. I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME CELL TOWER TRANSMITTER STUDIES, 28 SUMMARY FINDINGS, SEVEN OF WHICH WERE PULLED DIRECTLY OFF THE NIH WEBSITE. THERE CAN'T BE MORE LEGITIMACY TO THESE FINDINGS AND I DON'T WANT TO WASTE TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME READING THROUGH THEM BUT HALF OF THEM ARE TALKING ABO CANCER, THE EFFECTS THAT CAN BE CREATED, CAUSED WITH CANCER LIVING WITHIN A 400-METER ZONE, WHICH IS A QUARTER OF A MILE, JUST SHY OF A QUARTER OF A MILE. THERE ARE EASILY 50 HOMES THAT FALL WITHIN THIS. I KNOW THAT WE NEED CELL TOWERS. I KNOW THAT'S THE WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN. THERE ARE NO SERVICE ISSUES THAT I'VE HEARD OF FROM NEIGHBORS. I LIVED IN PLANO FOR FIVE AND A HALF YEARS NOW AND I JUST ASK YOU ALL TO CONSIDER THE FOLKS THAT ARE LIVING HERE A O HEALTH AND WELL-BEING. THIS REALLY IS JUST CRAMMED RIGHT NEXT TO A BUNCH OF RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND THEN WALMART AS WELL. IT'S NOT THE SAME AS THE CELL TOWERS THAT YOU SEE THROUGHOUT MORE INDUSTRIAL REGIONS WHERE THERE AREN'T RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS PACKED AS CLOSELY AS THIS. SO, AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL LONGITUDINAL STUDIES. THE HEALTH RISKS THAT SHOW UP HERE ARE OVER THE COURSE OF FIVE, 10, 20 YEARS. I REALIZE THAT 5G IS A NEW TECHNOLOGY BUT W CAN ONLY WORK OFF OF WHAWE HAVE SEEN WITH CELL TOWERS IN THE PAST AND THAT IS THAT THEY DO POSE A RISK TO THE HEALTH AND WELL-BEING TO THOSE LIVING WITHIN AN APPROXIMATE ZONE OF 400 METERS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> Downs: THANK YOU, SIR. NEXT. >> MR. MARSH. >> THANK Y'ALL FOR BEING HERE AND VOLUNTEERING AND THOSE GETTING PAID TO BE HERE. I WOULD, YOU KNOW, I ASSUME THAT IT'S GOING TO BE TABLED TONIGHT BUT I WOULD REQUEST THAT IT BE IN THE MIDDLE OFANUARY. I HE BE IN CONTACT WITH MELISSA, THE SENIOR PLANNER, ALMOST THREE WEEKS AGO NOW TRYING TO GET INFORMATION AND TO PUT IT BLUNTLY FOR ALMOST TWO WEEKS THEY BLEW HER OFF. FINALLY GOT SOME INFORMATION AND HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH NEIGHBORS TO ADVISE THEM WHAT'S GOING ON. YOU KNOW, LIKE ME I HAD NO IDEA A TOWER WAS GOING IN THERE. A LITTLE LAZY. I'VE WALKED SEVERAL HOURS AND IF H KNOWN TWO OR THREE. WEEKS BEFORE, WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE 100 HOUSEHOLDS THAT WOULD HAVE OPPOSED THIS. I'VE TAKEN READINGS. I'VE ASKED IF T-MOBILE HAS ANY 5G TOWERS AROUND SO I COULD TAKE READINGS ON AN EMF METER. I HAVE TAKEN READINGS AT TWO OF THE PLACES THEY FINALLY GAVE MELISSA ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF INDEPENDENCE AND REGAL AND SOUTHEAST CORNER OF COIT AND McDERMOTT. AND FROM 400 TO00 FT AWAY, BASED ON THE TRIFIELD PEOPLE'S ASSESSMENT THAT THEY SAY BETWEEN THIS READING AND BELOW, EVERYBODY AGREES IS SAFE BUT NOBODY HAS, OTHER THAN THE STUDIES I JUST HEARD, SAID ABOVE, NOBODY HAS DEFINED -- THAT I KNOW OF, UNLESS I JUST HEARD THIS TONIGHT. THE READINGS WERE OFF THE CHART WITH THE 4G. EVERYTHING I HEAR ABOUT THE 5G IS WORSE AND IF IT GETS THROUGH THEN IF ANYBODY WANTS TO BUY A HOUSEN MY STREETIT WILL BE MOREALEEFOR THE TOWER GOES UP. I ASK YOU CONSIDER POSSIBLY PUTTING THEM IN THE TOWERS THAT HAVE BEEN ALREADY BEEN APPROVED THAT HAVE THE 4G STUFF, WHY CAN'T THEY SWITCH THEM OUT THERE? THEY ALREADY HAVE APPROVALS AND THE COVERAGE SHOULD BE EXTENDED WITH THE 5G. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. AND ONE OTHER THING. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS THERE A DEFINED NUMBER OF PEOPLE WITHIN A CERTAIN RADIUS THAT WE HAVE TO PRESENT TO YOU AND THE COUNC IN ORDER TO GET THIS THING SQUASHED? HAVE IT MOVED SOMEPLACE ELSE? IF SOMEBODY COULD PROVIDE THAT, IF WE'VE GOT ANOTHER MONTH AND A HALF, WE'LL GET THE PEOPLE. ONCE PEOPLE ARE FINDING OUT& WHAT'S GOING ON, THEY'RE NOT FOR IT. THANK YOU. >> Downs: THANK YOU. >> [OFF MIC] >> RICHARD MARCH, 8009 GREENWOOD DRIVE. >> NEXT. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS [INDISCERNIBLE] AND I LIVE ON CASE DRIVE IN PLANO. AND FIRST OF ALL I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL, ALL THE PLANO CITY STAFF FOR ALL THE HARD WORK DURING THE PANDEMIC AND COVID. SO AS YOU KNOW THERE'S THIS ZONING CHANGE ABOUT COMMERCIAL ANTENNA AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING AS A COMMUNITY AND I REPRESENT ONE OF THE RESIDENTIAL HOUSES T OF THE FOUR WITHIN THE 20FOOT RADIUS AND I LIVN THAT HOUSE WITH MY WIFE AND 6-YEAR-OLD KID. AND I'M CONCERNED, DUE TO DIFFERENT REASONS. I'M GOING TO BRIEFLY SUMMARIZE THEM. BUT AS A COMMUNITY WE STRONGLY OPPOSE THIS ANTENNA. AND THE PLANO CITY WEBSITE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF RESPONSES IN THE LAST TWO DAYS, THERE HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT OPPOSITION AS WE WORKED AS A COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE DIDN'T REALLY GET THE NOTIFICATION AT ALL. THERE WAS JUST ONE SIGNPOST AND THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH AWARENESS CREATED BY THE APPLICANT. MAYBE ON PURPOSE, MAYBE NOT REQUIRED. BUT AS A COMMUNITY WE OPPOSE, ONE, DUE TO THE HEALTH IMPLICATIONS. THE LONG-TERM HEALTH IMPLICATIONS ARE UNKNOWN AND BASED ON THE MEETING THEY HELD LAST WEEK, GIVEN THEY USED AN ALTERNATIVE DESIGN FOR THE ANTENNA, THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT. THAT PART I'M N SURE WHETHER THIS IS AN OPTION FOR THEM BUT I EXPECT THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT SHOULD APPLY, REGARDLESS OF WHAT KIND OF DESIGN YOU HAVE, GIVEN THIS IS A NEW TECHNOLOGY AND YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH RESEARCH TO SHOW WHAT THE NEW TECHNOLOGY WILL BRING IN. THE SECOND ITEM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE RISK OF THAT AREA BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY POWER LINES, HAVING ONE MORE BIG COMMERCIAL ANTENNA IN THE MIDDLE OF THOSE POWER LINES, I THINK IT'S VERY DANGEROUS IN A STORM. I HAVE A POOL IN THE BACKYARD NEXT TO THAT TOWER SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE LONG-TERM IMPLICATIONS, AS THE SPOT FOR THE ANTENNA. AND THE COMMUNITY BEARS THE NEGATIVE IMPACT OF THIS ANTENNA. >> SIR, YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS. >> AND BASED ON THEIR, SBA'S ARGUMENTS, IT'S THE CUSTOMERS, MOST OF THE TRAFFIC THEY CLAIM IS FROM WALMART CUSTOMERS. WITH THAT, SHOULD WE PUT AN ANNNA NEXT TO EVERY WALMART STORE OR SHOULD THEYUTN ANTENNA INSIDE THE STORE SO I DON'T THINK THE COMMUNITY WANTS THIS ANTENNA FOR THEIR BENEFIT AND THE OTHER REASONS ARE THE REAL ESTATE IMPACT ON THE VALUATION OF THE HOUSES AROUND. AND IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE COMMUNITY IN THE LONG TERM BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED -- >> SIR, YOU HAVE REACHED YOUR LIMIT. >> IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. I BELIEVE THE PLANO COMMUNITY WILL REPRESENT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> Downs: THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. >> NEXT IS RICH BALES. IF I COULD HE RONALD AND RAMESH READY. >> HOWDY, EVERYONE. I'M RICH BALES, 3317 CHANTILLY DRIVE. I LIVE AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER AT THE INTERSECTION WITH THE WALMART EXISTS AND I LIVE IN A DEAD ZONE. WHEN THE DECISION WAS MADE TO NOT PROCEED WITH THE ORIGINAL PLAN AT THE DAVIS LIBRARY, THAT IMPACTED MY HOME AND NOW IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN. AND I'M CONCERNED. I'M FROM THE INDUSTRY. I WAS INITIALLY TRAINED THROUGH THE AIR FORCE FOR RADIOS AND I USED TO WORK ON THOSE. I'VE DELIVERED UHF AND MICROWAVE SYSTEMS. I'VE WORKED FOR TELECOM. I WAS DEPLOYED AT NORTH TEL NETWORKS AND I KNOW THE INDUSTRY. I HAVE DONE TESTS. I KNOW WHAT THESE THINGS ARE. THE DANGERS THAT YOU'RE BUILDING TOLD THAT THEY POSE DON'T EXIST. OKAY? THEY'RE NOT DANGEROUS. IT'S MORE DANGEROUS TO HOLD A CELL PHONE TO YOUR EAR THAN TO LIVE NEAR A TOWER BECAUSE YOUR CELL PHONE HAPPENS TO BE A TRANSMITTERND RECEIVER AND YOU'RE TRANSMITTING NEXT TO YOUR EAR. IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT HEALTH RISKS, TALK ABOUT THE CELL PHONES THEMSELVES BUT NOT THE TOWERS. I'M HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE LIVING IN A DEAD ZONE AND NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE CELL PHONE SERVICE IN MY HOME AND THAT'S WHAT THIS COMES DOWN TO FOR ME, IF THIS DOESN'T GET DEPLOYED THEN, YOU KNOW, I'M STUCK. I'VE LIVED IN MY HOME FOR 28 YEARS. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO HAVE REASONABLE SERVICE IN MY OWN HOME. AND THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR AND I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TONIGHT. THANK YOU. >> Downs: THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. RONALD RESICK. >> HELLO. MY NAME IS RON RESICK AND I LIVE AT 781 CASE DRIVE, JUST SOUTH -- I'M NOT SURE WHICH DIRECTION THAT WOULD BE BUT JUST SOUTH OF WHERE THAT TOWER WILL BE LOCATED. I AM NOT AS PREPARED WITH FACTS AND DATA AS SOME OF THE OTHER FOLKS HERE. I AM ONE OF THOSE MANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT DID NOT GET THE NOTICE A FEW WEEKS AGO AND AS SOON AS I GOT THE NOTICE I HAD TR OPPOSITION FOR THIS TOWER. I AM CONCERNED THAT 100-FOOT COMMUNICATION STRUCTURE, ITS VISIBILITY FROM SO MANY DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS WILL IMPACT OBVIOUSLY LINE OF SIGHT. I LIVED IN THAT AREA SINCE 2003. IT MIGHT NOT BE THE MOST PARK-LIKE SETTING BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF OLD-GROWTH TREES. IT IS A PLEASANT ENVIRONMENT. I PLAN ON GROWING OLD AND PASSING IT ALONG AS AN ESTATE TO MY CHILDREN. NOW I'M NOT SURE. WHEN I CAME TO THIS AREA IN 2003, I CHOSE THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION BECAUSE OF ITS SEMI PARK-LIKE SETTING IN THE MIDDLE OF A GROWING SUBURB THAT I KNEW WAS ABOUT TO CONTINUE GROWING. THE HEALTH CONCERNS, I CAN'T SPEAK ABOUT THE HEALTH CONCERNS. I HAVE THEM BUT WITHOUT DATA I CAN'T SPEAK AS AN EXPERT. I WOULD SAY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT PROPERTY VALUE AND PROPERTY MEASURE BECAUSE WE'RE IN AN AREA OF HIGH DEMAND, LOW SUPPLY SO IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO SPEAK ON WHAT THAT TOWER WILL DO BUT IT WOULD BE LONG TERM WHERE THAT EFFECT WOULD BE REACHED ANYWAY. SO I GUESS AT THE END OF THE DAY I'M JUST TRYING TO SHOW SUPPORT TO THE FOLKS THAT WERE AT THE GRASSROOTS, GATHERING THE DATA THAT INFORMED THE COMMUNITY AND I WOULD GUARANTEE YOU THAT IF THIS WENT TO JANUARY MEETING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE MANY MORE PEOPLE LIKE ME MUCH MORE INFORMED AND WITH MUCH MORE INFORMATION TO GIVE YOU. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. >> Downs: THANK YOU, SIR. >> MR. PATE. >> GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS RAMESH. I LIVE IN 8001 GREENWOOD DRIVE. I HAVE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR THE LAST 11 YEARS. I WORK FOR A COMPANY WHICH SELLS MILITARY [INDISCERNIBLE]. I HAVE THREE KIDS AND WE FIRST CAME TO IRVING IN 2007 BUT WE CHOSE PLANO BECAUSE WE FOUND THAT AS A PLANNED CITY WITH THE GRADE SCHOOLS AND WE LOVE BEING THERE. THE LAST 1 YEARS MY KIDS UNDERWENT A VERY GOOD EDUCATION AND I AM PROUD OF THE SCHOOLS AND PLANO WAS A GREAT PLACE. THE COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENTS THAT WE HAVE ARE DECENT AND OPTIMAL BUT HAVING THIS TOWER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE -- IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS UNPALATABLE FOR US. EVEN MY HIGH SCHOOL KID, HE ALSO PUT IN HIS INFORMATION, HIS COMMENTS. MY OLDER ONE, COLLEGE GRAD PUT IN HISOMMENTS AND I CAN TELL YOU MANY OF MY -- THE FELLOW CITIZENS AROUND THE GREENWOOD DRIVE AND CASE DRIVE I CAN EVEN SHOW YOU HERE. SO I CAN READ HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE OPPOSED TO THIS REQUEST. [ READING NAMES] THERE ARE AT LEAST 46 PEOPLE I CAN READ. I IDENTIFY WITH THE OTHER GENTMAN. WE CAN GETLL THOSE PEOPE AND THEY CAN ALL VOICE THEIR CONCERN ABOUT THIS TOWER BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. PLANO IS FAMOUS FOR ITS GOOD PLANNING. WHY IS IT TRYING TO PUT THE TOWER IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD? WHY NOT IN A FAR AWAY PARK? OF COURSE IT HAS AN IMPACT ON THE PROPERTY VALUES SO I CAN QUOTE YOU HERE JUST THIS MORNING I WAS RESEARCHING THIS. I CAN SPECIFICALLY QUOTE THE -- >> SIR, YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS. >> SO I CAN QUOTE ALL THAT INFORMATION HERE BUT AN ANTENNA MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IS SOMETHING UNPALATABLE FOR ALL THE CITIZENS LIKE ME. I'M SURE THE PNNING COMMISSION MEMBERS LIKE YOU, YOU ARE WELL LEARNED, YOU KNOW HOW TO ZONE THIS AND I WOULD SUGGEST NOT HAVING IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD SIRS AND GENTLEMEN AND LADIES. I WOULD APPRECIATE HAVING IT -- >> SIR, YOU HAVE REACHED YOUR THREE MINUTES. >> PLEASE CONSIDER THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO THIS REQUEST. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. >> Downs: THANK YOU, SIR. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER SPEAKERS? >> WE DO NOT BUT WE DID, INCLUDING OUR SPEAKERS, THERE WERE A TAL OF 39 PEOPLE IN OPPOSITION OF THE PROJECT AND TWO IN SUPPORT. >> Downs: ALL RIGHT. AGAIN, THIS REQUEST IS TO TABLE BUT WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO COME AND RESPOND TO ANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE? >> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. I'M BEV FRANCIS, 112 EAST PECAN, SAN ANTONIO. I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR SBA COMMUNICATIONS AND ITS SUBSIDIARY, S X, LLC. FIRST I APPRECIATE THE NEIGHBORS THAT ATTENDED OUR MEETING. WE SENT OUT OVER 60 NOTICES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SO I DO APPRECIATE. I THINK WE HAD TEN. IT WAS A VERY SPIRITED DISCUSSION. WE HAD THE T-MOBILE TEAM THERE. WE HAD THE SBA ENGINEERING TEAM. AND I APPRECIATE THE TEAM COMING OUT, THE RESIDENTS COMING OUT THIS EVENING. MS. ANDREA AND I HAD CONVERSATIONS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS ABOUT THE NEED TO HAVE MS. DAY DO AN INTERPRETATION OF TWO OR THREE OF THE SECONS T CODE AND THAT'S WHY, AS A TEAM, WORKING WITH THE CITY AND CITY STAFF WE'RE REQUESTING THAT IT BE TABLED TO GIVE MS. DAYTIME TO WORK WITH MS. ANDREA TO DO AN INTERPRETATION AND THEN YOU HAVE AN APPEAL PROCESS, IF NEEDED, WE CAN GO THROUGH THE APPEAL PROCESS TO PRESENT TO YOU, YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION, AND WE MOVE ON FOR THE FORMAL REQUEST FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF THE SUP AND THE SITE PLAN. SO WE WOULD APPRECIATE -- THE REASON IT IS SET OUT THE TIME PERIOD, I WORKED WITH CHRISTINA LAST WEEK. YOU SAW THE E-MAIL IN THE PACKAGE. LOOKING AT THE SCHEDULES TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS AMPLE TIME FOR YOUR TEAM TO WORK THROUGH THE INTERPRETATION PROCESS THEN HAVE TIME TO REVIEW IT AND THEN DECIDE IF AN APPEAL IS NECESSARY. THE 20th WAS NOT INTENDED AS ANY TYPE OF MILESTONE BEFORE CHRISTMAS, I ASSURE YOU THAT. IT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS ALL VETTED OUT SO THAT WE CAN BRING THE TEAMS IN AND THEN PRESENT AND ADDRESS THE POINTS AND WHY THIS TOWER IS NECESSARY. SO WE WOULD APPRECIATE IT AND I HAVE APPRECIATED WORKING WITH YOUR TEAM. LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THIS PROCESS AS WE MOVE FORWARD TO YOUR FINAL CONSIDERATION OF RECOMMENDATION. >> Downs: THANK YOU. WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. STONE. >> Stone: YES, TWO-PART QUESTION. HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THE NEIGHBORS WHO ARE SAYING CELL PHONE SERVICE IS FINE AND THERE'S NO PROBLEM. AND THEN THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS HERE SAYS HE HAS NO SERVICE. HOW MANY OF YOUR POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS DO YOU THINK THERE ARE IN HIS AREA THAT HAVE NO SERVICE THAT WILL NEED THIS TOWER OR A TOWER OF SOME KIND? >> COMMISSIONER STONE, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE T-MOBILE TEAM. WE HAD THE LEAD PERSON THERE, QUINN FREEMAN CHILLDRESS WAS THERE. SHE TOOK THAT INFORMATION AND SHE IS GOING TO RESPOND ON THE APPROXIMATE NUMBER OF T-MOBILE CUSTOMERS. AND WE HAD THE T-MOBILE RADIO FREQUENCY TEAM THERE AND WE WILL HAVE THEM PRESENT TO YOU THE RADIO FREQUENCY MAPS, THE BEFORE AND AFTER SHOWING THE SIGNIFICANT GAP IN THE SERVICE. SO ALL OF THAT WILL BE PRESENTED IN A DETAILED FORM AS REQUIRED BY THE FCC FOR YOU. WE WENT THROUGH IT. WE HAD PHONE BOARDS SHOWING MAPS FOR THE RESIDENTS BUT WE WL PRESENT THOSE AND T-MOBILE WILL RESPOND WITH THE QUESTION OF RESIDENTS. >> Downs: LET'S FOCUS OUR QUESTIONS ON THE NEED TO TABLE AND THE TIMELINE FOR THAT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OBVIOUSLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR ALL THIS INFORMATION AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. IT'S REALLY MORE AROUND THE TIMING. >> JUST ONE QUESTION. I THINK THE RESIDENTS DO HAVE A LEGITIMATE CONCERN ABOUT THE TIMING. WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PUSH THIS BACK TO AFTER THE HOLIDAYS ARE OVER AND DO THIS IN JANUARY? >> ABSOLUTELY. WHATEVER WORKS BEST FOR YOU ALL AS FAR AS TIMING WITH STAFF, TIMING WITH THE T-MOBILE TEAMS. I'LL BE HAPPY TO GET WITH MELISSA AND MS. DAY TO, IF IT NEEDS TO BE EXTENDED INTO A JANUARY TIME-FRAME. THAT WAS NOT THE INTENT. THE INTENT WAS TO GIVE ADEQUATE TIME BECAUSE IT'S A COMPLICATED ORDINANCE, AS YOU KNOW, AND WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE COME IN ON -- WITH AS MUCH INFORMATION ON BOTH SIDES AS POSSIBLE. >> THANK YOU. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> Downs: DO WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? I HAVEN'T CLOSED THE HEARING YET. GO AHEAD. >> I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION. >> Downs: YOU DON'T HAVE A QUEST. SORRY. NO MORE SPEAKERS? NO MORE QUESTIONS? WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONFINE DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION. >> I HEAR A LOT OF OPPOSITION TODAY. I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A NEED FOR A LOT OF COMMUNICATIONS TO BE DONE BEFORE OUR NEXT MEETING, IF POSSIBLE. >> Downs: SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE. >> IF POSSIBLE, I THINK IT IS A REASONABLE REQUEST TO TABLE IT FURTHER THAN IT'SEEN PROPOSED. >> Downs: THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER HOR. >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM UNTIL JANUARY 18, 2022 TO ALLOW TIME FOR THE RESIDENTS TO MEET FURTHER WITH SBA, WHICH I HOPE THEY'LL HAVE SOME COLLABORATION ON THAT. AND ALSO ALLOW SBA A PROPER TIME TO PREPARE THEIR PACKAGE AND ALSO ALLOW YOU PROPER TIME TO GATHER CITIZENS' INPUT. >> SECOND. >> Downs: I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HORNE TO TABLE ITEM 2 TO JANUARY 18, 2022. A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 8-0. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, GUYS FOR COMING AND SPEAKING TONIGHT. NEXT ITEM, PLEASE. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 3. PUBLIC H REPLAT: ICON AT LEGACY WEST ADDITION, BLOCK A, LOTS 1R-4R, 6R, AND 24R BLOCK E, LOT 2R, AN BLOCK H, LOTS 8R-10R - TEN SINGLE-FAMILRESIDENCE DETACHED LOTS ON 0.8 ACRE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF ELEMENT AVENUE, 15 FEET SOUTH OF HEADQUARTERS DRIV ZONED PLANNED DEVELOPMENT-65- CENTRAL BUSINESS-1. APPLICANT: PERRY HOMES, LLC AND LW LAND COMPANY LLC. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DONNA FALLETTA. I'M A PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS ITEM IS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Downs: DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING DO WE HAVE ANY -- >> WE DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKERS. WE HAVE ONE PERSON THAT REGISTERED IN OPPOSITION. >> Downs: THANK YOU. CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. CONFINE THE DISCUSSION TO COMMISSION AND STAFF. >> I RECOMMEND WE APPROVE THE REPLAT AGENDA ITEM NO. 3, PROJECT R-2021-002 AS SUBMITTED. >> SECOND. COMMISONER STONE TO APPROVEY ITEM 3 AS SUBMITTED WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKI. PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 8-0. ITEM 4. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 4. PUBLIC HEARING - PRELIMINARY REPLAT AND REVISED SITE PLAN: LEGACY WEST ADDITION, BLOCK A, LOT 1R - PRO ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE ON ONE LO ON 20.8 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF LEGACY DRIVE AND HEADQUARTERS DRIVE. ZONED CENTRAL BUSINESS-1. APPLICANT: 7900 LEGACY DRIVE OWNER, LLC, C/O PRP REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT. >> GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. I AM RAHA POULADI, PLANNER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS IS COMPRISED OF ONE PRELIMINARY REPLAT AND A REVISED SITE PLAN. AS FOR THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT, STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE ADDITIONS AND/OR ALTERATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLANS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. AND FOR THE REVISED SITE PLAN, SAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL AS SUBMITTED. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. >> Downs: THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? >> JUST ONE QUESTION. HOW DOES THIS COMPARE TO THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN? CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE HISTORY ON THIS, PLEASE? >> IN FACT, I NEED TO SHOW YOU THE SITE PLAN. SO IF YOU SEE TOWAR THE BOTTOM G SITE PLAN THAT HAS A BUILDING AND THEN TOWARDS THE MIDDLE THEY ARE PROPOSING A FIVE-STORY GARAGE AND THEY'RE PROPOSING AN EIGHT-STORY OFFICE BUILDING TOWARDS THE NORTH. >> WERE THESE INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN OR IS THE BUILDING AN ADDITION? >> IT WAS PART OF THE CONCEPT PLAN. >> WAS PART OF THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN. THANK YOU. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. >> Downs: ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANY SAKERS ON THI ITEM? >> THERE ARE NOT. THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION. >> Downs: OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONFINE THE DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION. >> I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NO. 4 WITH ADDITIONS AND/OR ALT VATIONS TO THE ENGINEERING PLAN AS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. SUBSEQUENTLY ALSO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE REVISED SITE PLAN. >> I'LL SECOND THAT. >> Downs: I HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HORNE TO APPVE EM 4 SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS AND ALTERATIONS AND THE SITE PLAN AS SUBMITTED WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER CARY. PLEAE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES 8-0. ITEM 5. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 5. PUBLIC HEARING - PRELIMINARY REPLAT: TOWNHOMES AT 10TH STREET, BLOCK A, LOTS 1-8 - EIGHT SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE ATTACHED LOTS ON 0.9 ACRE LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF 10TH STREET D K AVENUE. ZONED SINGLE-FAMILY RESINCE ATTACHED. APPLICANT: METROPOLITAN INTERESTS CORPORATION. >> THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO TABLE TO THE NOVEMBER 15, 2021 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THEY ARE ALSO REQUESTING A 30-DAY EXTENSION. IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVE THEIR EXTENSION REQUEST AND TABLE REQUEST TO THE NOVEMBER 15, 2021 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> Downs: THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY SPEAKERS BUT WE DO HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL THAT REGISTERED IN OPPOSITION. >> Downs: THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WITH A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT ON THIS? SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONFINE DISCUSSION TO THE COMMISSION. BOY, QUIET GROUP TONIGHT. >> I MAKE A MOTION WE APPROVE OR TABLE AGENDA ITEM NO. 5, THAT WE TABLE THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT APPROVAL UNTIL NOVEMBER 15, 2021. >> SECOND. >> THERE'S A SECOND PART TO THAT. SECOND PART OF THAT ALSO IS THAT WE GRANT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR A 30-DAY EXTENSION. SO WE HAVE TWO REQUESTS. WE TABLE IT TO THE 15th AND THEN WE GRANT THEIR 30-DAY EXTENSION FOR THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT. >> Downs: THAT'S THE MOTION. YOU STILL SECONDHAT? >> SECD. >> Downs: OY. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A -- I HAVE ALREADY VOTED. WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER HORNE TO TABLE TO NOVEMBER 15th AND GRANT THE 30-DAY EXTENSION WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER TONG. PLEASE VOTE. AND THAT ITEM CARRIES 8-0. AGENDA ITEM NO. 6. >> AGENDA ITEM NO. 6. PUBLIC HEARING - PRELIMINARY REPLAT: WILLOW BEND POLO ESTATES PHASE B, BLOCK B, LOTS 1R-19 - 19 PATIO HOME LOTS ON 3.1 ACRES LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF TURTLE CREEK DRIVE AND OLD WESTBURY LANE. ZONED PLANNED DE PATIO HOME WITH SPECIFIC USE PERMIT NO. 58 FOR COUNTRY CLUB AND PRIVATE CLUB. APPLICANT: S ACQUISITIONS LLC. >> STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THIS REPLAT SUBJECT TO ADDITIONS ENGINEERING PLANS AS REQUIRED PER ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. ALSO, PER THE APPROVAL BY THE CITY ATTORNEY AND ITS SUBSEQUENT RECORDATION BY THE COUNTY. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWERY QUESTIONS. >> Downs: ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? COMMISSIONER HORNE. >> WE HAVE LOOKED AT THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY NOW TWICE. WE HAD THE INITIAL LAYOUT WHERE THERE WERE OBJECTIONS TO IT BUT ALSO THERE SEEMED TO BE INNER WORKINGS FROM SHADDOCK TO GET THIS APPROVED AND NOW WE'RE SEEING AN ADDITIONAL REPLAT. REALLY, MY QUESTION IS IF WE APPROVE THIS, WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? ARE WE GOING TO SEE ANOTHER REPLAT AFTER THIS? WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? >> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS WAS A LOT THAT CURRENTLY WAS USED AS THE CLUB, ACTUALLY, BUT THEY ARE REQUESTING THE REPLAT TO HAVE 19 RESIDENTIAL LOTS ON IT. WE BELIEVE TT THEPPLICANT IS READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE 19 RESIDENTIAL LOTS. >> WHEN WE SAW THE FIRST SET, THEY HAD 19 LOTS. THERE WAS GOING TO BE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. >> NEXT STEP IS CONSTRUCTION. THEY'RE READY. THIS IS THE NEXT PHASE IN THE DEVELOPMENT CYCLE IS FOR THEM TO PLAT THESE AS RESIDENTIAL LOTS. YOU SAW A CONCEPT PLAN WITH THE ZONING CASE, THEN A PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN AND NOW THE PLAT. >> SO IS IS GOG TO BE T FINAL PLAT? >> THIS IS GOING TO BE THE FINAL PLAT PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION. THEN YOU'LL SEE A FINAL REPLAT ONCE THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS ARE IN PLACE AND THAT'S THE PLAT THAT WILL NEED TO COME BACK TO YOU FOR APPROVAL AND THAT WILL BE FILED AT THE COUNTY BEFORE THEY CAN GET OCCUPANCY. >> THANK YOU FOR THE EXPLANATION. >> Downs: I THINK IT'S A GOOD EDUCATION OPPORTUNITY HERE BECAUSE IT SAYS REPLAT, RIGHT? SO THAT MAKES YOU THINK IT'S ALREADY BEEN PLATTED. SO IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO SAY, YEAH, YOU GET A PLAT WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN OR YOU GET A PLAT. SO IT'S ALWAYS GOING T BE A REPLAT PRIOR T CONSTRUCTION. THAT ACCURATE? >> FOR AN EXISTING LOT, IF THERE'S A CHANGE LIKE THIS, IT WILL BE A REPLAT THAT YOU WILL SEE. THAT'S CORRECT. IT DOES HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL. >> Downs: THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? >> THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT PLAN WAS ALWAYS MEANT TO HAVE THE 19? IS THAT RIGHT? DID I HEAR THAT WRONG? >> YES, THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CONCEPT PLAN. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> Downs: THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? >> WE DO NOT BUT WE HAD ONE INDIVIDUAL REGISTER IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT. >> Downs: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DEFINE THE DISCUSSION TO COMMISSION. BE BRAVE, COMMISSIONER RATLIFF. >> READY FOR A MOTION? I PROPOSE TO APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY REPLAT AS SUBMITTED WITH THE ADDITIONS OR ALTERATIONS REQUIRED BY THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT AND APPROVED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY AND IS SUBSEQUENT RECORDATION. >> Downs: AND WE HAVE A SECOND. SO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER RATLIFF, A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER BRONSKY TO APPROVE ITEM 6 SUBJECT TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS. PLEASE VOTE. AND THAT ITEM CARRIES 8-0. [ LAUGHING ] >> A ROUND OF APPLAUSE FOR THE COMMISSIONER. >> NONPUBLIC HEARING ITEMS, THE PRESIDING OFFICER MAY PERMIT PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. THE PRESIDING OFFICER WILL ESTABLISH TIME LIMITS BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF SPEAKER REQUESTS,, INCLUDE A TIME LIMIT. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED IN THE ORDER CARDS ARE RECEIVED UNTIL THE CUMULATIVE TIME IS EXHAUSTED. AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 7 IS THE ELECTION OF FIRST AND SECOND VICE CHAIR. NOMINATION AND ELECTION OF FIRST AND SECOND VICE CHAIR FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. APPLICANT IS THE CITY OF PLANO. >> DOES ANYONE HAVE TO SPEAK ON THIS? I WILL TELL YOU -- LET ME -- >> SORRY. >> THANK YOU. I WILL TELL YOU IT'S AN HONOR TO BE SELECTED AS CHAIR FOR THIS. IT'S THE HOT SEAT SOMETIMES, BUT IT'S ALSO VERY REWARDING TO SERVE IN THIS ROLE. HAVING SAT HERE NOW FOR A FEW YEARS AND KNOWING THE BACKGROUND OF SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS, I'D LIKE TO, I GUESS, RECOMMEND OR NOMINATE COMMISSIONER HORNE AS THE FIRST VICE CHAIR BASED ON N THE OTHER BOARDS, HIS POSITION AS CHAIR ON THOSE OTHER BOARDS. AND I THINK THAT HE WOULD SERVE US WELL. HE IS -- I THINK HE WOULD BE A GREAT FIRST CHAIR, FIRST VICE CHAIR. MR. BRONSKY? >> I AGREE THAT COMMISSIONER HORNE WOULD BE A TERRIFIC PERSON AS FIRST VICE CHAIR. I'D ALSO LIKE TO NOMINATE COMMISSIONER CARY. HE WOULD BE AN INCREDIBLE CHOICE. THEY'VE BOTH SERVED HONORABLY AND DONE A GREAT JOB AT BEING FAIR AND EQUITABLE IN THEIR APPROACH TO EVERYTHING. >> ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A NOMINATION FOR COMMISSIONER HORNE AND I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT, WE ALSO HAVE A NOMINATION FOR COMMISSIONER CARY. WE CAN DO A ROUND OF VOTES FOR COMMISSIONER HORNE AND IF THAT PASSES, THAT'S THERE, UNLESS SOMEBODY WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS ADDITIONALLY. YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS PROBABLY MORE THAN I HAVE. >>E TYPICALLY GET A SECOND FOR THOSE NOMINATIONS. >> CORRECT. >> WHAT WE'RE LACKING. >> I WAS QUESTIONING -- COULD HE SECOND THAT BUT ALSO MAKE A NOMINATION? IT SOUNDED LIKE THAT WAS WHAT HE WAS DOING. WE'LL ASK FOR A SECOND FOR COMMISSIONER HORNE AS VICE CHAIR. >> I'LL SECOND. >> SO WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR COMMISSIONER HORNE. I GUESS WE COULD PROCEED WITH THAT VOTE UNLESS WE WANT TO GET A SECOND FOR COMMISSIONER CARY. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. RIGHT. YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A . TAKE ONE AT A TIME. >> WE HAVE TO GO THERE FIRST. OUR FIRST MOTION IS FOR FIRST VICE CHAIR FOR COMMISSIONER HORNE. AND THAT MOTION WAS MADE BY MYSELF WITH A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER HOLLY. AND IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE VOTE. THAT ITEM CARRIES BY A VOTE OF 7-1. ALL RIGHT. SO, I GUESS CONGRATULATIONS, MR. >> THANK YOU. ALSO, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A NOMINATION FOR SECOND VICE CHAIR, GARY CARY. >> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM MR. CARY. AND WE HAVE A SECOND. ALL RIGHT. SO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR COMMISSIONER CARY AS SECOND VICE CHAIR BY COMMISSIONER HORNE AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER STONE. PLEASE VOTE. TH ITEM CRIES,R. CARY ABSTAINED. HE WON'T VOTE FOR HIMSELF. [ LAUGHING ] >> CAN I CHANGE? >> IT'S TOO LATE. VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. SO ITEM 7, MOVING ON, NEXT ITEM. >> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 8 IS INFORMATION ONLY. VIDEO CONFERENCING AT PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETINGS. >> GOOD EVENING, COMMISSION, I'VE PROVIDED SOME INFORMATION FOR YOU ABOUT VIDEOCONFERENCING FOR YOUR MEETINGS. JUST BRIEFLY, DUE TO THE COVID PANDEMIC, THE CITY BEGAN TO HOLD MEETINGS VIA ZOOM IN SING 2020. AND THIS WAS ALLOWABLE DUE TO THE GOVERNOR'S ORDER WAIVING SPECIFIC OPEN MEETINGS AND TECHNOLOGICAL REQUIREMENTS. HOWEVER, WHEN THIS ORDER WAS RESCINDED SEPTEMBER 1ST, 2021, WE REMOVED THIS OPTION FOR MEETING ACCESS. BUT WE HAVE HAD REQUESTS FROM THE PUBLIC AND WE HAVE HAD DIRECTION FROM CITY MANAGEMENT AND OTHER STAFF THAT ARE WORKING TO REALLY ANALYZE AND FORMULATE A SUCCESSFUL REIMPLEMENTATION FOR VIDEOCONFERENCING FOR P&Z MEETINGS. WE DEVELOPED AN ONLINE REGISTRATION SYSTEM, HOWEVER, THERE WERE SOME CHALLENGES WITH THE REGISTRATIONS DUE TO SOME TECHNOLOGICAL DIFFICULTIES SO WE'VE PUT THAT ON HOLD, BUT WE ARE WORKING TO REINSTITUTE THAT AS WELL. WE STILL DO OBVIOUSLY ALLOW THE TRADITIONAL METHOD OF REGISTERING SPEAKERS, INCLUDING PAPER CORDS AND ONLINE RESPONSES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IN ORDER TO ENSURE A SMOOTH TRANSITION BACK TO VIDEOCONFERENCING WE'RE LOOKING FOR REINSTITUTING THIS AT THE JANUARY 4TH MEETING. WE WANTED TT INFORMATION TONIGHT AND ANSWER ANY QUESTNS YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT THAT. >> ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? >> Horne: AFTER JANUARY 4TH, ONCE THIS IS IMPLEMENTED AND IT'S GONE THROUGH THE TESTING, WILL THERE BE OPPORTUNITY FOR US WHEN WE'RE OUT OF TOWN TO PARTICIPATE ON THE COMMISSION VIA VIDEOCONFERENCING? BECAUSE APPARENTLY -- EARLIER WE WERE NOT. NOW ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT? >> DO YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT? >> I CAN ADDRESS THAT. THE WAY IT'S BEEN WRITTEN NOW, CONSISTENT WITH THE PREVIOUS PRACTICE OF THE COMMISSION, WE -- IT'S ONLY FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. THAT'S HOW THE ZOOM IS LAID OUT. SO WE CAN HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CHAIR IF THAT'S DESIRED, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S ONLY FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. >> I GUESS I WOULD ASK THE QUESTION, IS THIS APPLIED THE SAME? LIKE COUNCIL? IS COUNCIL ALLOWED TO PARTICATE REMOTELY, OR NO, THEY HAVE TO BE AT THE DAIS? >> COUNCIL IS PARTICIPATING REMOTELY. HOWEVER, A QUORUM HAS TO BE PRESENT AND THE CHAIR HAS TO BE PRESENT. SO IT'S REALLY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THE OCCASIONAL TRAVEL KIND OF THING, BECAUSE THE GROUP CAN'T JUST DECIDE TO PARTICIPATE REMOTELY. >> RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT SITTING HERE AS CHAIR I'D RATHER HAVE INPUT FROM ALL EIGHT COMMISSIONERS. BE TRAVELING AND WASBLE TO BE ONLINE SOMEHOW, I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THAT INPUT RATHER THAN EXCLUDE THEM. I KNOW WE ALL DO OUR BEST TO MANAGE OUR SCHEDULES, BUT SOMETIMES THINGS GET IN THE WAY. SO FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, IF THERE'S NO REASON WHY WE CAN'T DO THAT UNDER THE SAME RULES AND REGULATIONS AS COUNCIL, I WOULD PREFER THAT WE WERE ABLE TO OPERATE IN THAT MANNER. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A COMMISSIONER HERE THAT WOULD PREFER NOT TO PARTICIPATE. IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO IF YOU'REONE. YOU MAY NOT HAVE ACCESS, BUT COMMISSIER CARY. >> Cary:Y THE WAY, I AGREE WITH YOU. I WAS INTERESTED IN WHAT THE REASONS FOR IT NOT BEING THAT WAY. I'D LOVE TO HEAR THAT DISCUSSION. SOMEBODY MENTIONED THE CHAIR BEING HERE. BUT COULD THE VICE CHAIR BE HERE IN THAT ROLE, WOULD THAT MEET THAT? >> YES. THE VICE CHAIR CAN ACT AS CHAIR AT THAT MEETING. THE CHAIR CAN PARTICIPATE REMOTELY. AS LONG AS THERE'S A QUORUM OF PEOPLE HERE PHYSICALLY. >> THE VICE CHAIR BEING PRESENT, PRENT -- >> THE VICE CHAIR WLD RUN T MEETING YES. >> I GUESS -- WHAT THE REASONS >> IT WAS AT THE DIRECTION OF THE PRIOR CHAIR. >> FAIR ENOUGH. >> I'D LIKE TO SAY I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO HAVE US BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE. AND I AGREE WITH YOU. I'D LIKE TO HEAR EVERYBODY IF THEY CAN MAKE IT AND I'M VERY MUCH ENCOURAGED. I KNOW WHEN WE SERVED ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING REVIEW COMMITTEE WE HA PEOPLE WORKING REMOTELY AS PART OF OUR COMMITTEE AND I FELT VERY HELPFUL TO HAVE THEIR INPUT, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US CONTINUE IN THIS DIRECTION OF MAKING IT ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYONE. >> Downs: COMMISSIONER. >> AGREED. IT SOUNDS LIKE IF IT WAS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE PRIOR CHAIR, PERHAPS IT'S AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CURRENT CHAIR. >> Downs: AGAIN, I THINK EVERYONE'S GOING TO DO EVERYTHING IN THEIR POWER TO BE HERE. WE ALL LEARNED TO OPERATE AND FUNCTION REMOTELY. WE RAN OUR MEETINGS REMOTELY FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG. SO, I JUST KNOW THAT IF I'M NOT HERE AT A MEETING I AM FRUSTRATED I CAN'T PARTICIPATE BECAUSE I WANT TO DO THIS. SO I THINK WE COULD WORK WITH STAFF. AND LET'S FIGURE OUT A WAY TO APPLY THAT SAME TYPE OF ARRANGEMENT TO THE COMMISSION. MAYBE WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. I THINK THERE IS A CERTAIN REQUIREMENT FROM AN ATTENDANCE STANDPOINT ETC. SO WE' GET INTO ALL OF IT, BUT THEY'RE HEARING OUR PRE PREFEREE IS TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE REMOTELY, IF WE CAN MAKE THAT POSSIBLE. GOOD? ANYTHING ELSE? ITEMS FOR FUTURE AGENDA, DO WE HAVE ANY ITEMS THAT SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON A FUTURE AGENDA? SEEING NONE, WE WILL ADJOURN AT 8:08. CONGRATULATIONS. >> CONGRATS. >> FOUR NEWBIES. YOU GUYS JUST RIGHT IN THERE. RIGHT IN THERE, SECONDS, MOTIONS. ♪