[GAVEL SOUNDING] GUDES THE TAMPA CITY COUNCIL COMING TO ORDER. GOOD MORNING. INVOCATION MR. CITRO. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AN HONOR AND PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE ALEXANDER PADILLA II. HE IS A NATIVE OF SPRING HILL. A GRADUATE OF UCF. HE CONTINUED HIS PRIESTLY FORMATION AT SAINT JOHN VIENY, PONTIFICAL COLLEGE AND STUDIED CANON LAW OF ST. THOMAS AQUINAS IN ROME AND AT THE CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY OF AMERICA. HE HAS BEEN THE VICAR OF CHRIST THE KING PARISH OF TAMPA SINCE 2. HE WILL SERVE AS THE PROFESSOR OF CANON LAW AT VINCENT dePAUL SELL FAIRY. FATHER, VERY NICE TO HAVE YOU HERE. PLEASE LEAD NUTS INVOCATION AND EVERYONE PLEASE RISE AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. FATHER. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT INTRODUCTION. ALSO HAPPY BIRTHDAY. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU. >> SINCE I AM A CATHOLIC PRIEST, I WILL BEGIN WITH THE SIGN OF THE CROSS. IF YOU ARE NOT CATHOLIC, I MEAN NO OFFENSE. OF THE FATHER, SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. AMEN. LORD, WE THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO GATHER TOGETHER IN PERSON TO DISCUSS AND DELIBERATE CITY AFFAIRS HERE IN THIS COUNCIL CHAMBER. LORD, I ASK TO YOU BLESS THESE CONVERSATIONS THESE DELIBERATIONS. I ASK YOU TO GUIDE THE DISCUSSION FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA AND OF THIS AREA. AND IN A SPECIAL WAY, LORD, I ASK YOU TO BE PRESENCE IN THIS ROOM. TO BE PRESENT WITH ALL OF THOSE WHO ARE HERE. AND IN A SPECIAL WAY, ASK TO YOU BLESS THEM AND THEIR F FAMILY. LORD, LET THE COUNCIL PEOPLE KNOW THAT YOU ARE ALWAYS WITH THEM AND YOU WILL ALWAYS LOVE THEM. BE WITH THEM WHEREVER THEY MAY BE IN THIS CHAMBER AND OUTSIDE OF IT. AND ALWAYS DRAW THEM CLOSER TO YOUR HEART AND TO YOUR LOVE. I ASK YOUR BLESSING UPON ALL OF THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES, FATHER, SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT AMEN. [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] >>JOSEPHITRO FATR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT WONERFUL INVOCATION. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. >>BILL CARLSON: HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>CLERK: DINGFELDER. >>LUIS VIERA: HERE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE. >>CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, MR. CHAIRMAN. MY COMMENTS PRIOR TO THE MEETING. AGAIN, MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. THURSDAY, JUNE 17, 2021. WE ARE HERE IN CITY HALL DURING THE COVID-19 STATE OF EMERGENCY AND TODAY'S MEETING IS BEING CONDUCTED LIVE WITH THE IN-PERSON QUORUM OF THE CITY COUNCIL IN CHAMBERS. MEMBERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY THROUGH VIDEO CONFERENCING REFERRED TO BY FLORIDA STATUTES AND RULES AS COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY OR CMT. TODAY'S MEETING IS HELD WITHIN THE EMERGENCY RULES OF PROCEDURES ADOPTED BY RESTITUTION 2020-225 AND 20-241. 2020-490 AND RESOLUTN THE PUBLIC AND CITIZENS OF TAMPA ARE ABLE TO WATCH ON CABLE TV 640, SPECTRUM 15 AND ON THE INTERNET AT TAMP TAMPA.GOV/LIVESTREAM, ONE WORD. MULTIPLE WAYS THAT THE PUBLIC CAN COMMUNICATE WITH CITY COUNCIL. THOSE ARE AVAILABLE FOR VIEW! VIEWING, THE INSTRUCTIONS THAT IS AT TAMPA.GOV/CITYCOUNCIL. BECAUSE VIDEO IS REQUIRED AND CELL PHONE IS NOT SUFFICIENT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT VIDEO ON OUR PLATFORM. SO THAT REQUIRED YOUR PREREGISTERING. IF YOU DID NOT PREREGISTER, YOU CAN PARTICIPATE HERE IN PERSON AT OLD CITY HALL USING COMMUNICATION MEDIA TECHNOLOGY THAT IS AVAILABLE ON THE SECOND FLOOR HERE AT 315 E. KENNEDY BOULEVARD AND PLEASE NOTE THAT THE USE OF MASKS AND SOCIAL DISTANCING INSIDE THE BUILDING ARE ENCOURAGED. THANK YOU, MR.HAIRN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MR. SHELBY. SKIP THROUGH HOUSEKEEPING AND GO THROUGH THE AGENDA IF YOU WOULD PLEASE SIR. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU COUNCIL THE AGENDA AND THE ADDENDUM. IF YOU LOOK AT THE AGENDA, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES OR SUBSTITUTIONS THAT COUNCIL IS REQUESTING, PERHAPS PARTICULAR TO THE CONSENT DOCKET. ANYTHING THAT COUNCIL WISHES TO HAVE PULLED FROM THE CONSENT DOCKET BESIDES -- I BELIEVE THERE IS ONE REQUEST THAT WAS MADE FRANKLY BY ME ON ITEM 61 TO HAVE A SEPARATE VOTE UNDER STAFF REPORTS BECAUSE THAT IS ADDING A NEW MEETING TO COUNCIL'S CALENDAR. OTHER THAN THAT NO REQUESTS FOR CONSENT DOCKET, THEN I AM GOING TO ASK WITH REGARD TO STAFF REPORTS, INTEREST THERE ANY STAFF REPORTS THAT COUNCIL CAN BE RELEASED FROM SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO APPEAR IN PERSON? >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, LET'S GO THROUGH ITEMS WITH NO STAFF, NO COUNCILMEMBERS WILL MISS IT. ANYBODY ON 70 NEEDS TO APPEAR? >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS A -- THERE HAS BEEN A MEMO ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. IS THERE ANY DESIRE TO HAVE COUNCIL PRESENT -- STAFF PRESENT FOR NUMBER 70? >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, JUST A COUPLE OF BRIEF QUESTIONS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT'S FINE, SIR. THAT'S FINE. MR. DINGFELDER, WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE AGENDA SO GIVE YOU TIME PULL YOUR NOTES OUT TO SEE IF YOU WANT TO PULL UP ANYTHING IN REFERENCE TO STAFF REPORTS. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I STILL HAD SOME QUESTIONS -- THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I STILL HAD SOME QUESTIONS WITH REGARD TO ITEM 44. SO IF WE COULD -- >>ORLANDO GUDES: 44? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 44. I WAS HOPING THEY GOT RESOLVED YESTERDAY, BUT THEY DIDN'T. >>MARTIN SHELBY: ARE YOU REQUESTING, MR. DINGFELDER, TO THAT PULLED AND STAFF PRESENT FOR DISCUSSION. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, PLEASE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: 44, OPPORTUNITY ZONES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: 70, SIR. MR. CITRO WOULD LIKE THEM TO BE PRESENT. 71. SHELBY SHAELZ MEMO FROM MR. WILL FALK. IF STAFF NEEDS TO BE PRESENT OR RECEIVE AND FILE. I SEE NO RESPONSE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: 72 AND 73 GO TOGETHER GENTLEMEN. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS A -- A RESOLUTIONS REGARDING ESTIMATED AMOUNTS OVER THE THRESHOLD TO PUT UNDER STAFF REPORT. IS THERE ANYBODY FROM CITY COUNCIL, ANY COUNCIL MEMBER WHO WISHES TO HAVE STAFF PRESENT TO ADDRESS THOS OR MAY THEY BE RELEASED SO COUNCIL WOULD JUST MOVE THE RESOLUTION? I SEE NO RESPONSE, MR. CHA CHAIRMAN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: 74. I BELIEVE THEY ARE GOING TO ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE. I SEE IT FOR OCTOBER 28. >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY. WE CAN TAKE THAT CONTINUANCE UP TO 74 UNLESS COUNCIL WANTS TO DO IT NOW AND TAKE IT OFF THE AGENDA. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I MOVE 74 TO THE 28th OF OCTOBER. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER MADE A MOTION. MANISCALCO SECONDED. >>JOSEPH CITRO: I CHANGE MY MIND OF ITEM 70. I DO NOT NEED STAFF PRESENT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT COULD BE RECEIVED AND FILED. >>JOSEPH CITRO: RECEIVE AND FILE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: RECEIVE AND FILE. CITRO AND MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS THE AGENDA. ITEM NUMBER 75 IS WHAT WE ARE UP TO, AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS A REQUEST THERE OF STAFF REGARDING -- I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A DATE -- I AM SORRY, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A DATE ATTACHED TO THAT? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THERE IS A REQUEST OF THEM DUMB FROM MISS GRIMES FOR CONTINUANCE. >> REFERENCED IT ON THE AGENDA FOR JULY 15. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S WHERE I SAW IT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN WE DO THAT ONE IN AUGUST? IF IT IS OKAY? >>ORLANDO GUDES: MISS GRIMES ON MONITOR? >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEY ARE ASKING FOR JULY 15, BUT I BELIEVE MR. DINGFELDER IS SUGGESTING PERHAPS AUGUST INSTEAD OF JULY 15. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE NEXT ONE -- THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING -- FIRST REGULAR MEETING IN AUGUST. I AM SURE MISS GRIMES -- >>CLERK: THE NEXT REGULAR ONE IS AUGUST 5. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHICH DATE? >>CLERK: AUGUST 5. >>ORLANDO GUDES: AUGUST 5 O OKAY, MISS GRIMES. >>GINA GRIMES: YES, THAT IS FINE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL IN FAVOR. OPPOSED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: CHIEF TRIPP ON NUMBER 76, MR. CHAIRMAN. A REPORT AS WELL. WHAT IS COUNCIL'S PLEASURE ON THAT? >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON THAT. I THINK WE TALKED TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF -- I DON'T KNOW IF HE GOT WITH CHIEF TRIPP ABOUT T THAT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE QUESTION IS, MR. CHAIRMAN, DID YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT UP UNDER STAFF REPORTS? AND TO BE ABLE TO, I BELIEVE, DISCUSS IT WITH THE CHIEF? >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WAS GOING TO ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE IN REFERENCE TO THAT ITEM. BUT WE WILL LEAVE IT FOR NOW -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: LET ME REQUEST YOU THIS, THE CHIEF THERE AND ULTIMATE GOAL TO HAVE A CONTINUANCE, -- GUDES GUDES SHE IS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE CHIEF CAN GET BACK TO WHAT SHE NEEDS TO GET BACK TO. >>CHIEF TRIPP: GOODS MORNING, BARBARA TRIPP, INTERIM FIRE CHIEF. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THE REASON I ASKED FOR A CONTINUANCE, I ASKED TO CHIEF OF STAFF FOR AGENDA REVIEW. I KNOW THIS COUNCIL -- I DIDN'T WANT TO BELABOR THE COUNCIL WITH A BUN OF QUESTIONS YOU CAN'T ANSWER YES BECAUSE YOU ARE STILL WORK THONG PROJECT. I WOULD RATHER BE CONTINUED UNTIL WE HAVE CONCLUSIVE INFORMATION TO WHERE TO GO ON THIS ITEM. THAT'S WHY I WANT A CONTINUANCE ON THAT ITEM. >>CHIEF TRIPP: YES, SIR. I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE. ONCE AGAIN SINCE I ONLY HAVE BEEN HERE SIX MONTHS, I AM GETTING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO MAKE THE CORRECT DECISIONS FOR THE COMMUNITY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: GENTLEMEN, ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT? ANYBODY CAN MAKE A MOTION? >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. WHAT DATE ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH CHIEF? AUGUST 2? IPP TLAIPZ SOUNDS GOOD. IF NOT, I WILL COME BACK WITH MORE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU CAN GIVE US -- >>CHIEF TRIPP: FISCAL YEAR. OCTOBER 1. >>MARTIN SHELBY: FIRST REGULAR MEETING OCTOBER 7. >>ORLANDO GUDES: SHOULD HAVE THE BUDGET SITUATED AND GET ANSWERS THEN. >>CHIEF TRIPP: YES, SIR. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MOVE TO OCTOBER 7. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY CITRO AND SECOND BY MIRANDA. ANY OPPOSED? THANK YOU, CHIEF. >>MARTIN SHELBY: ITEM 76 IS DONE. MR. CHAIRMAN, WITH REGARD TO THE ADDENDUM. YOU TAKEN ITEM 75. NUMBER 64, IT IS A REQUEST FROM THE CHAIR THAT THAT AGENDA I ITEM, NUMBER 64 FOR SECOND READING BE HEARD AFTER 9:30 AND HEARD AFTER CEREMONIAL ACTIVITIES AND OR PRESENTATIONS AND PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THAT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO MOVED. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION AND SECOND. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. I BELIEVE MR. CARLSON HAS A COUPLE OF CONFLICTS, MR. SH SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE COULD TAKE THEM UP WHEN WE DO CONFLICTS WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA. HE CAN DO THAT THEN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION TO APPROVE THE ADDENDUM AND THE AGENDA. MIRANDA AND SECOND. OPEN FOR BUSINESS. ITEM NUMBER 1, CEREMONIALS. >> IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH CHAIR. WE ARE HERE TO GIVE A CITY OF TAMPA COMMENDATION TO A VERY SPECIAL CITY OF TAMPA EMPLOYEE, MRS. TIFFANY KLINE. YOU KNOW I HAVE HER BIOGRAPHY AND GO THROUGH A CONTINUED TALK OF ALL OF HER WONDERFUL ACHIEVEMENTS AND THEY ARE ALL THE JUST MAGNIFICENT ACHIEVEMENTS, BUT I WILL JUST GO OVER VERY BELIEFLY. A BOARD CERTIFIED OCCUPATIONAL HEALTH NUR WIT MORE THAN 18 YEARS OF OCCUPATIONAL MEDICINE AND SPECIALIZES IN THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF FIRST RESPONDERS. SOMETHING THAT IS VERY SPECIAL AND UNIQUE TO TIFFANY BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT HER FATHER, CAPTAIN ROBERT BARNETT, SERVED FOR SO MANY YEARS WITH TAMPA FIRE RESCUE. WELL, ABOUT ONE YEAR AGO, TIFFANY'S ROLE WITH THE CITY OF TAMPA, WHICH WAS SO PIVOTAL OF TAKING CARE OF THE HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF TAMPA FIRE AND MOVING FORWARD TO TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS RADICALLY TRANSFORMED. ABOUT A YR AGWHENE FIRST STARTED DEALING WITH THE EFFECTS OF THE COVID CRISIS, WHICH WOULD TAKE THE LIVES BEFORE 600,000 OF OUR FELLOW AMERICANS, PEOPLE LIKE TIFFANY KLINE AND THE PEOPLE THAT SHE WORKS FOR, OUR FIRST RESP RESPONDERS, AND PEOPLE SHE WORKS WITH, HER FELLOW MEDICAL SPECIALISTS AND PROFESSIONALS, SAW THEIR PROFESSIONAL AND PERSONAL LIVES RADICALLY CHANGED OVERNIGHT. SUDDENLY THEY BECAME FOLKS ON THE FRONT LINE OF THE WAR AGAINST COVID. YOU KNOW, AND I THINK -- I THINK IT IS SAFE TO SAY THAT WE PROBABLY ALL HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH TIFFANY. IN FACT IT WAS FUNNY YESTERDAY WHEN I MENTIONED SOMETHING -- I THINK I WAS TALKING WITH BRANDON ON THE PHONE OF GIVING A COMMENDATION TO -- AND I STARTED DESCRIBING IT. AND MY SON SAID, OH, IS THAT TO TIFFANY THE NURSE. BECAUSE HE KNOWS YOU BECAUSE I CALLED HER SO MANY TIMES FOR COVID. I AM A LITTLE OCD AND THERE YOU GO. TIFFANY WAS ALWAYS THERE FOR ME JUST LIKE WAS ALWAYS THERE FOR EVERYBODY. BUT TIFFANY HAD -- HAD SO MANY DIFFERENT COMMENDATIONS AND AWARDS ETC. BUT I THINK WHEN YOU GET TO THE HEART OF IT, WE JUST HEARD FROM A CATHOLIC PRIEST THIS MORNING AND THINK OF THE WORK. AND I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE IT KNEE AND HER FAMILY ARE RELIGIOUS AT ALL THE, BUT FOR ME CERTAIN VOCATIONS, FIRST RESPONDERS ARE ONE OF THEM, POLICE OFFICERS, FIRE FIGHTERS, THAT WHETHER YOU ARE RELIGIOUS OR NOT, THEY ARE MINISTRY. A SECULAR OR RELIGIOUS MIN MINISTRY. I THINK THAT BEING IN THE MEDICAL FIELD, AS A NURSE IN PARTICULAR, WHETHER LPN, RN, WHATEVER IT MAY SOMEBODY ALSO A MINISTRY. AND I HAVE KNEE'S LIFE REALLY SHOWED THAT. ALL OF US CONTACTED TIFFANY DURING TIMES OF ANXTY. SO MANY CITY OF TAMPA EMPLOYEES CONTACTED HER OUT OF TIMES OF ANXIETY AND SHE WAS THERE TO COMFORT US, YOU KNOW. SHE WAS THERE TO HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE MOURN AS WELL. PEOPLE WHO SUSTAINED TREMENDOUS HITS IN LIFE. TAKE A LOOK AT A LOT OF THE VIRTUE OF SERMON ON THE MOUNT. SHE WAS THERE TO CARRY THEM ALL OUT IN HER PROFESSIONAL ROLE. TAMPA CITY COUNCIL IS HERE TO GIVE OUR DEAR FRIEND TIFFANY KLINE A CITY OF TAMPA COMMENDATION. SHE IS ALSO HERE WITH MATTHEW, HER HUSBAND, SARAH AND REN, HER DAUGHTERS, AND CAPTAIN ROBERT BARNETT AND WE HAVE A WHOLE ROOM -- IN FACT IF YOU WERE HERE FOR TIFFANY, PLEASE STAND UP. JOE GRECO RAISED HIS HAND. PLEASE STAND UP. WE HAVE A WHOLE ROOM HERE AND I KNOW THAT CHIEF JOHN BENNETT. I SEE CHIEF DUGAN IF YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING. INTERIM CHIEF TRIPP, IF YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING. GO AHEAD. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO NICE TO HAVE THE ROOM FILLED FOR A CHANGE. THANK YOU FOR COMING. >> YES, SO ON BEHALF OF TAMPA FIRE RESCUE, WE WANT TO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU AND YOUR STAFF HAS DONE ESPECIALLY OVER THE YEARS, BUT ESPECIALLY OVER THE LAST YEAR. YOUR STAFF AND YOU HAVE DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB TAKING CARE OF THE MEN AND WOMEN ON THE FRONT LINE, YOU KNOW, POLICE, FIRE, AND WE GREATLY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE. >> THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. GOOD MORNING, PUBLIC, JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF STAFF. JUST A QUICK FEW THANK YOUS AND RECOGNITION. FIRS THANK COUNCILMA FOR THE COMMENDATION AND THE COUNCIL SUPPORTING THAT UNANIMOUSLY WELL DESERVED FOR YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AND ALL OF THE SAFETY -- PUBLIC SAFETY OFFICIALS. I WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR AND CHIEF TRIPP FOR CONSULTING WITH TIFFANY DURING THIS GLOBAL PANDEMIC THAT AFFECTED US AND 4677 BELLY BUTTONS EMPLOYED BY THE CITY OF TAMPA AND THEIR DEPENDENTS WHO RELY ON OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM FOR CONSULTING AND DIRECTION THROUGH THAT PANDEMIC AND THE TH WORKPLACE MUCH FASTER THANTO A LOT OF OUR OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS BECAUSE OF ALL THIS TENDER CARE. I ALSO WANT TO THANK -- YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY TIFFANY'S GROUP IN OCCUPATIONAL HEALTH, BUT KELLY AUSTIN'S GROUP, BECAUSE TIFFANY WAS A GREAT CONSULTANT TO KELLY AND ALL HER RESPONSIBILITIES IN HR AND TOGETHER AS A TEAM, THEY REALLY DID AN AMAZING JOB GETTING US WHERE WE ARE TODAY. THANK YOU AND THANK YOU EVERYBODY WHO SUPPORTS HER. >> GOOD MORNING, BRIAN DUGAN, CHIEF OF POLICE, TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT. TIFFANY, THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALIZE JUST HOW IMPORTANT THE WORK THAT SHE AND HER TEAM DID, GOING BEYOND THE FIRST RESPONDERS. YOU KNOW, AS OUR PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE WORKING ON THE STREETS AND POTENTIALLY GETTING EXPOSED TO THE VIERA, THE ANXIETY THAT CREATED FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND FOR THEM WHETHER THEY ARE T TAKING THAT BACK HOME TO THE FAMILIES. SOME OF THE PROTOCOLS AND THINGS SHE TAUGHT US, REALLY IT IS HARD TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE ENORMITY OF THE WHOLE THING AND I WANT TO APPRECIATE. BECAUSE I THINK THE ANXIETY SHE HELPED REDUCE FOR THE FIRST RESPONDERS AND THEIR FAMILIES IS REALLY WHAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT. I THANK YOU FOR THAT. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHIEF. > JOE GRECO, PRESIDENT OF THE TAMPA FIRE FIGHTERS LOCAL 7544. TIFFANY KNOW HOW I PERSONALLY THINK OF ALL HER EFFORTS. HER EMPATHY AND HER KNOWLEDGE AND THE ABILITY TO -- TO IMMEDIATELY TAKE OVER A SITUATION AND GET ASSISTANCE TO THE AFFECTED INDIVIDUAL AND FAMILY IS SECOND TO NONE. HER STAFF IS INCREDIBLE. AND WE THANK YOU. >>LUIS VIERA: NOW I FORGET HOW IT GOES, MR. CHAIR. DOES CITY COUNCIL SPEAK? WE PRESENT IN WONDERFUL CITY OF TAMPA COMMENDATION TO TIFFANY KLINE ON BEHALF OF THE WORK SHE HAS DONE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA, FOR HER WONDERFUL SUPPORT OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND ALL THE OF OUR CITY OF TAMPA PUBLIC SERVANTS. TIFFANY, IT IS OUR PLEASURE. WE ARE SO APPRECIATIVE FOR ALL THAT YOU DO. >> THANK YOU, SIR. [APPLAUSE] >>LUIS VIERA: IF YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING. >> YES, SIR, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. A VERY TOUCHING AND OVERWHELMING MOMENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH COUNCILMAN VIERA FOR INVITING ME HERE TODAY. THANK YOU. AND GOOD MORNING TO THE CHAIRMAN AND CITY COUNCIL. I WAS TRULY HONORED WHEN I RECEIVED THE INVITATION FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA TO BE HERE TODAY, BUT I AM MOST GRATEFUL TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHED A LIGHT ON THOSE WHO MATTER MOST. FIRST AND FOREMOST MY FAMILY WHO HAVE BEEN SO PATIENT AND SUPPORTIVE AND WEATHER THIS PANDEMIC WITH LOVE AND STRENGTH. I AM VERY PROUD OF YOU. MY AMAZING TEAM WHO SERVED WITH DEDICATION AND COMPASSION. WE COULD NOT DO ANYTHING THIS PAST YEAR AND THREE MONTHS WITHOUT THE INCREDIBLE LEADERSHIP IN OUR CITY, OUR MAYOR, OUR CHIEF OF STAFF OUR FIRE CHIEF BARBARA TRIPP, OUR CHIEF OF POLICE BRIAN DUGAN, OUR CITY COUNCIL IN ALL THAT YOU DO AS AMBASSADORS FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND LEDERS IN EVERY AREA OF THE CITY. WE WERE A SPOKE IN A WHEEL OF A MUCH GREATER EFFORT OF ALL OF THE CITY LEADERS COMING TOGETHER IN EACH OF THEIR AREAS. MOST SPECIFICALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THE MEN AND WOMEN OF TAMPA FIRE RESCUE AND TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT. YOU SEE, THEY WERE THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND. THEY WERE THE ONES ON THE FRONT LINES. THEY WERE THE FIRE FIGHTERS AND THE OFFICERS AND I WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT WE HEARD YOU. THE FIRE FIGHTERS RUNNING CALL AFTER CALL, CUMBERS OME P PE RENDERING CARE IN DIFFICULT SITUATIONS. AND FOR TAMPA POLICE OFFICERS, WE HEARD YOU. MOST DO NOT REALIZE ALL OF THE SCOPE OF YOUR PROFESSION. WE HEARD YOU PERFORMING CPR ON ALL HOURS DAY AND NIGHT OF VICTIMS OF COVID WHO HAVE SUCCUMBED TO THIS VIRUS. COMFORTING THOSE WHO LOST LOVED ONES, YOU RESPONDED ON CALLS OF SERVICE WHEN THEY WERE VICTIM OF A VIOLENT CRIME ONLY LATER TO REVEAL THAT YOU WERE EXPOSED TO COVID AND YOU, YOURSELF, WILL BECOME ILL. SEE I AM PROUD DAUGHTER OF A MAN WHO SERVED FIRE FIGHTER, PARAMEDIC AND CAPTAIN WITH OVER 30 YEARS WITH THE CITY OF TA TAMPA. WHILE I WAS UNABLE AS A CHILD TO PROTECT AND SHIELD HIM FOR THINGS HE MUST EXPERIENCE, WE, AS A TEAM, MY TEAM, WILL NTIN TO DO OUR BEST TO PROTECT AND HEAL OUR RESCUERS AND OUR GUARDIANS. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I NEED TO SAY THAT I AM MY MOTHER'S DAUGHTER. MY MOTHER IS HERE TODAY. AND ANY THREAT OF GOOD -- THREAD OF GOODNESS THAT WEAVES THROUGH ME IS A RESULT OF HER. THANK YOU, MOM. AND THANK YOU, COUNCIL. [APPLAUSE] MR. MANISCALCO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED SIR. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK THAT EVERYBODY NEEDS TO BE SAID HAS BEEN SAID BUT I WILL SAY IT AGAIN. YOU HAVE BEEN WITH US ANY TIME OF DAY. WE MAY HAVE SPOKEN AT 4, 5:00 IN THE MORNING. THE FIRST TIME. BUT YOU WERE THERE AND COVID WAS SOMETHING NEW. WE WERE TAKING IT MINUTE BY MINUTE, HOUR BY HOUR, BUT YOUR TEAM WAS READY. YOU WERE RESPONSIVE AND WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >> EVERYTHING YOU SAID IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. AND THANK YOU FOR THE TIME AND EFFORT AND THE CARE AND THANK YOU FOR INSPIRING US WITH YOUR GREAT WORDS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU. TIFFANY, OUR FIRST MEETING WAS A NICE ONE, BUT I DO HAVE TO TELL YOU WHEN YOU ASKED ME TO STEP BEHIND THE TENTS SO SOMEONE CAN VIOLATE MY NASAL PASSAGES WITH A SWAB, IT WASN'T REALLY NICE, BUT IT WAS FOR A GOO CAUSE. I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU A NEW MONIKER. AND AS YOU CAN SEE BY ALL THE PEOPLE BEHIND YOU, NURSE TIFFANY, YOU ARE THE FIRST RESPONDER TO TAMPA'S FIRST RESPONDERS. ANK U FOR EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE. >> THANK YOU. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, WILL CHAIR. TIFFANY, I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES I HEARD YOUR NAME OUT OF JOHN BENNETT'S MOUTH. IT WAS LIKE TIFFANY IS WORKING ON IT. TIFFANY HAS GOT IT COVERED OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND THAT MEANS SO MUCH. I AM SO THRILLED THAT THERE ARE SO MANY GREAT FOLKS FROM TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, TAMPA FIRE YE -- THIS PAST YEAR AND AS A HALF THAT NONE OF US WILL EVER FORGET IN OUR ENTIRE LIFETIMES, AND YOU GUYS WERE INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING THIS COMMUNITY GET THROUGH IT AND GET THROUGH IT IN A VERY POSITIVE WAY. AND WE APPRECIATE YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, TIFFANY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED, SIR. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 29% OF THIS COUNCIL HAD COVID. THAT MEANS TWO OF US. I CAN ONLY TELL YOU IN MY EXPERIENCE, AND I AM SURE CHAIRMAN GUDES FEELS THE SAME WAY. WOULD YO CALL US IN THE MORNING, IN THE AFTERNOON AND AT NIGHT. AND IT WAS LIKE AN ANGEL TELLING US THAT TAKE YOUR VITAMIN D 3 AND TAKE YOUR VITAMIN C. THAT DO YOU THIS. DID YOU DO THAT. HECK, I THOUGHT I WAS TALKING TO MY MOTHER. [ LAUGHTER ] BUT MY MOTHER WAS NEVER THAT NICE TO ME. AND I DESERVED IT. BUT WHAT I AM SAYING IS THAT THANK YOU BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T HAVE JUST TWO -- YOU HAD HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE AT THAT TIME THAT HAD THE COVID. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOUR FAMILY AND HUSBAND -- YOU WERE -- PURPOSE HOME, YOUR BODY WAS THERE BUT YOUR MIND WAS WORKING WITH THE OTHER HUNDREDS OF OPLE THAT HAD THE COVID. I TELL YOU, IT WAS JUST -- I CAN EXPERIENCE THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED WHEN I FIRST WALKED INTO THE CLINIC THAT YOU SENT ME TO. THEY THOUGHT -- THEY MADE ME FEEL LIKE I WAS SOMETHING IMPORTANT. RIGHT AWAY, IF I HAVE IT KNEE SENT YOU, BOOM, RIGHT THERE. TAMPA GENERAL, TIFFANY SENT Y YOU. BOOM, RIGHT THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT CONTACTS YOU HAVE. IF YOU RUN FOR OFFICE, NOT AGAINST ONE OF US SEVEN BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO WIN. THE ATTITUDE AND THE WAY YOU ADDRESS THINGS IS JUST MARVELOUS. THANK YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FOR AL. GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA, YOU KNOW, HE IS REAL SLICK. HE BEAT US TO THE PUNCH. HE ALREADY PLANNED THIS AND BEAT US TO THE PUNCH. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: POLITICIAN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: BEAT US TO THE BUNCH ON THIS DAY. ALL SERIOUSNESS, LET ME SAY THIS, MR. MIRANDA, WE STILL KIND OF SHARE IN THE FIELD -- THE SAME KINDS OF SYMPTOMS BECAUSE OF COVID. I CAN TELL THE YOU THAT I AM GRATEFUL FOR NURSE TIFFANY AND SOME FRIENDS THAT KEPT MONITORING ME FOR ME TO BE HERE TODAY BECAUSE I PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HERE. I WAS VERY, VERY SICK, FOLKS. VERY, VERY SICK. AND I -- I THINK EVERY DAY MY PRAYERS I GET UP THAT I'M HERE TODAY AND TO SEE SOMEONE GET AN AWARD WHO TOOK CARE OF A LOT OF SICK PEOPLE. MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE RIGHT, I MEAN, WHEN I WAS SICK AND THEY SAID I HAD TO GET TO THE HOSPITAL. I CALLED NURSE TIFFANY. SHE TOLD ME WHAT HAD TO BE D DONE. I TELL YOU, THEY WERE WAITING ON ME. THEY WERE WAITING ON ME. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPEN, BUT I PULLED UP THERE, AND THEY -- AGAIN, I WAS VERY SUCK. YOU KNOW, -- -- YOU VERY SICK. PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND. IT AFFECTS EVERYBODY DIFFERENT. AFFECTED MY MOTHER THE SAME TYPE OF. MR. MIRANDA, I HAD HEART FLUTTERING. IT IS AMAZING HOW PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE. BUT I TELL YOU, FAMILY MEMBERS DON'T SEE ANYMORE AND PEOPLE START TO BELIEVE. IT IS REAL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS AND WORK FOR THE CITY AND THE EMPLOYEES. CHIEF TRIPP, THANK YOU FOR ENTRUSTING NURSE TIFFANY TO GET THE JOB DONE, FOR OUR 4, 4,000-PLUS EMPLOYEES. IT IS TREMENDOUS. AND NURSE TIFFANY, YOU KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND KEEP UP THE GOOD FIGHT. WE NEED YOU. I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE DAY -- IF YOU HEARD THE COUNCIL. CHIEF TRIPP. NOT SAYING INTERIM CHIEF. TO CONFIRM YOUR CONFIRMATION AS THE FIRE CHIEF OF THE CITY OF TAMPA. WE ARE PUSHING THE MAYOR TO GET THAT MOVING. WE BELIEVE YOU ARE QUALIFIED. YOU HAVEEEN DOING A HELL OF A JOB SO FAR WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. I HEAR A LOT OF GOOD THINGS AND, OF COURSE, WE SEE THE RESULTS. GOOD LUCK TO YOU. NURSE TIFFANY, I AM GOING TO HAVE YOU BEHIND MY SEAT TO TAKE A PHOTO AT THE SEAL WITH ALL THE CITY COUNCIL. IF YOU WILL COME AND TAKE PHOTO. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I LOOK AROUND, COVID MUST BE FAVORABLE TO BALD-HEADED PEOPLE. TWO OF SEVEN ARE BALD AND THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT GOT IT. [ LAUGHTER ] >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA, WILL YOU COME AND JOIN US. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU GOT TO HAVE A LITTLE HUMOR. GUDES MR. DINGFELDER, CAN YOU TAKE THE GAVEL. I NEED TO GO TO THE SECOND FLOOR PLEASE SIR. TAKE ME A SECOND TO GET DOWN THERE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU. THANK YOU, AGAIN, EVERYBODY FOR COMING AND JOINING US TODAY. WHICH ONE IS THE MOM -- IS THE MOM HERE? CONGTULATIONS MOM. ALL RIGHT, COUNCILMAN GUDES, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. GOOD MORNING, AGAIN, EVERYONE. I HAVE THE DISTINCT PLEASURE OF MEETING A TRUE COMMUNITY SERVANT. A PERSON WHO SERVED IN OUR MILITARY. A PERSON WHO IS -- >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HUG THAT MICROPHONE A LITTLE BETTER. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE GOT IT NOW. I AM SO GRATEFUL TO INTRODUCE A GENTLEMAN WHOSE CAREER AND COMMUNITY-ORIENTED IN THE W WOODLAND TERRACE AREA. HE HAS BEEN THERE FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. I KNOW -- ME AND HIS NEPHEW WORKED TOGETHER IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, MICHAEL COLLINS. I KNOW WHERE MICHAEL GETS HIS SPIRIT OF GOOD WILL, COMMUNITY SPIRIT AND SERVICE. MORE OF A PLEASURE IT OF MEETING SERGEANT MELVIN COL COLLINS. HE REPRESENTS THE BEST OF OUR GREAT NATION, A VIETNAM VETERAN THAT SERVED OUR COUNTRY AND CONTINUES TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. AND PATRIOTIC SERVICE TO THE COUNTRY AND CONTINUES TO SERVE AS A ROLE MODEL IN OUR COMMUNITY AS HE HONORS OUR FALLEN HEROES BY PLACING FLAGS HEIR RESTING PLACE. ON BEHALF OF A GRATEFUL COMMUNITY, WE AIR IS THANK YOU. THE AT THIS CITY COUNCIL IS PROUD TO RECOGNIZE MELVIN COLLINS FOR ACHIEVEMENTS, L LIFETIME SERVICE TO TIME, DEDICATION TO THE COMMUNITY ON THE 17th DAY OF JUNE, 2021. AGAIN, GENTLEMEN, I HAVE BEEN OUT A COUPLE OF YEARS WITH MR. COLLINS WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT THIS AND GO OUT THERE AND PLACE THE FLAGS ON THE FALLEN. AND THE SPIRIT THAT YOU CAN'T GET OR REALLY KNOW OF UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY DO IT. YOU HAVE A VISUAL EFFECT ABOUT IT. YOU SEE THE DATES OF WHEN THOSE FOLKS SERVED. AND I AM JUST SO GLAD THAT MR. COLLINS PUTS ON THIS EVENTS EVERY, EVERY YEAR FOR 26 YEARS. AND I TELL YOU, I AM GOING TO ASK HIM ONE THING BEFORE I GIVE HIM THIS PLAQUE. AS I WAS AT THAT EVENT, AND AS I HAVE BEEN SERVING ON CITY COUNCIL, THESE EAGLE SCOUTS THAT COME BEFORE US. I ASK MR. COLLINS, BECAUSE HE HAD THE BOY SCOUT TROOPS AT HIS EVENT. I SAY DO WE HAVE ANY EAGLE SCOUTS? I NEVER SEEN ANY AT COUNCIL. AND DO WE HAVE ANY? HE INTRODUCED ME TO TWO YOUNG LADIES WHO RUN THE BOY SCOUTS AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE THREE OF THEM. MR. COLLINS, I AM GOING TO HAVE YOU COME OVER HERE. I WILL ASK A FAVOR OF YOU, SIR. I AM GOING TO ASK THAT YOU REACH BACK OUT TO THOSE FOLKS. I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THOSE THREE NAMES OF THOSE EAGLE SCOUTS. I WANT THEM TO COME HERE AND SHOW PEOPLE THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS EAGLE SCOUTS AS WELL, AND TO BE ABLE TO REPRESENT YOU, PRESENT OUR COMMUNITIES, SO I GIVE YOU THE PODIUM NOW. AGAIN, ON BEHALF OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE SIR. >> THANK YOU. IN STARTING THIS PROGRAM, MOVING UP IN THE VFW, I WAS CONSTANTLY GOING TO BAY PINES, A LOT OF CEMETERIES AND I HAPPENED TO DRIVE BY MY NEIGHBORHOOD CEMETERY AND ON THIS PARTICULAR DAY I ONLY SAW ONE FLAG OF MY BROTHER-IN-LAW. I WENT UP AND RESEARCHED AND FOUND OUT AT THAT POINT IN TIME THERE WERE 1100. THE CEMETERY OWNER WITH THE FIRST FLAGS. THIS LAST MONTH, WE POSTED 2500 FLAGS OF OUR LOCAL RESIDENTS WERE MILITARY. MANY OF THEM KILLED IN ACTION THAT ARE HERE. AND FOR THIS REASON, I DON'T WANT US TO BE FORGOTTEN IN OUR HOME CEMETERIES. SOMETHING THAT TOUCHED MY HEART. >> I HAD GENTLEMAN THAT CAME OVER TO VISIT ONE YEAR AND HE HAS TWO NEIGHBORHOOD CEMETERIES DOING THE SAME THING WE ARE DOING BECAUSE OF OUR PROGRAM. SO I WANT TO THANK OUR COUNCIL FOR THIS AWARD, BUT THE GENTLEMEN BEHIND ME HELPED ME GET THIS DONE. THANK YOU. TWO OF THE EAGLE SCOUTS ARE IN COLLEGE. THERE IS ONE LOCAL. I WILL GET WITH HIS PARENTS AND GET HIS NAME OVER TO YOU. BUT THANK YOU ALL AND GOD BLESS AMERICA. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, SIR. SERGEANT -- SERGEANT, WOULD YOU LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE OTHER GENTLEMEN THERE TODAY. >> YES GARY ALISON, OUR FIRST COMMANDER WHEN WE STARTED THE PROGRAM. WHERE ARE YOU? OKAY. WALLACE, UNIT VICE COMMANDER FOR OUR POST. THESE GENTLEMEN FOR THEIR SUPPORT ON BEHALF OF THE ORGANIZATION AND >> I ALWAYS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO GO AND VISIT OUR CEMETERIES. OUR NATIONAL CEMETERIES. BUSHNELL AN HOUR AWAY THE FLORIDA NATIONAL CEMETERY. ROBERT SAUNDERS, WHO IS A WORLD WAR II VETERAN, NAACP FIELD SECRETARY FOR 14 YEARS AMONG MANY OTHER FOLKS IS BURIED THERE. JUST THIS PAST WEEK, MY SON AND I, WE GO EVERY YEAR, WE COULDN'T GO IN 2020, BUT WE GO OVER YEAR TO ARLINGTON NATIONAL CEMETERY TO HONOR OUR VETERANS. WHEN WE WERE SEVEN A LOT EASIER THAN 14. HE IS STILL A TEENAGER. BUT HE STILL DOES IT. GOD BLESS HIM. I GO AND ENCOURAGE PEOPLE GO AND HONOR OUR VETERANS. SOMETHING THAT IS SO IMPORTANT. GO TO ARLINGTON AND GO TO WASHINGTON D.C. IRA HAYES, SENATOR JOHN GLENN, MET GER EVERS, A NORMANDY VETERAN IS THERE. SO MANY GREAT. JOE KENNEDY JR., KENNEDY'S BROTHER WAS THERE. KILLED IN WORLD WAR II. AMONG MANY OTHERS. AN AMERICAN AND SOLEMN THING TO DO. AIRMAN GUDES, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOU MEN AND WOMEN FOR YOUR SERVICE AND WE CAN APPRECIATE YOU MORE THAN WE COULD EVER DO SO. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THESE GENTLEMEN HERE TODAY AND HONORING THEM FOR THEIR SERVICE. MY GRANDPARENTS ARE BURIED AS MYRTLE HILL CEMETERY AND I VISIT EVERY WEEK. AND I WAS WALKING THROUGH THE SELLER 2RY READING DIFFERENT NAMES ON THE GRAVES AND I STUMBLED UPON A YOUNG MAN KILLED IN VIETNAM HERE FROM TAMPA. I LOOKED HIM UP ON THE INTERNET AND THERE WAS A VIRTUAL WALL. A LOT OF INFORMATION, PERSONAL DETAILS. THEY COME TO LIFE. IT IS NOT JUST A GRAVE MARKER. YOU GET TO KNOW THEM WHETHER IT IS FAMILY MEMBERS OR FRIENDS LEAVING COMMENTS OR WHATNOT. BUT IT INSPIRED ME TO LOOK FOR OTHER VIETNAM VETERANS THAT WERE KILLED IN COMBAT IN THOSE CEMETERIES, MYRTLE HILL, GARDEN OF MEMORIES ACROSS THE STREET AND I WAS ABLE TO COMPILE 40 DIFFERENT GRAVES AND I FOUND THEM AND EVERY MEMORIAL DAY I PLACE A FLAG THERE. SOMETIMES I SHARE THE PHOTOS ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND DOING THAT I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CONNECT WITH SIBLINGS, FROM FRIENDS, PEOPLE WHO KNEW HIM FROM HIGH SCHOOL, BUT ALWAYS REMINDS ME OF A QUOTE AND I STAYED HERE BEFORE THAT WE DIE TWICE. ONCE WHEN WE TAKE OUR LAST BREATH AND SECOND WHEN SOMEONE SAYS OUR NAME FOR THE LAST T TIME. SO BY PLACING THESE FLAGS, BY USING THE POWER OF THE INTERNET AND SOCIAL MEDIA TO LEARN ABOUT WHO THESE HEROES WERE, I SPECIFICALLY FOCUS ON THOSE KILLED IN VIETNAM. IT KEEPS THEM ALIVE IT KEEPS THEIR MEMORY ALIVE. AND NOT ONLY THAT, NEW GENERATIONS GET TO KNOW WHO THEY ARE. THEY LEARN ABOUT THESE HEROES EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE KILLED 50 YEARS AGO BECAUSE THE MAJORITY THAT I COME ACROSS WERE 1967, 19 68. BUT THEIR MEMORY LIVES ON. WE CONTINUE TO SAY THEIR NAMES. JUST AS YOU DO, YOU GO TO THEIR GRAVES, YOU GO TO LAY THEIR FLAGS, AND YOU LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY ARE NOT FORGOTTEN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. SERGEANT COLLINS, THANK YOU. WHAT YOU HAVE EXPLORED IN YOUR LIFE, WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IS JUST UNBELIEVABLE. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ELECTIONS SOMETIMES ARE WON BY WHAT -- ONE VOTE BECAUSE SOMEBODY DECIDED TO VOTE THAT MORE THAN LIKELY WOULD HAVE STAYED HOME. IN YOUR CASE ONE MAN AND ONE FLAG. AND THAT ONE STICKS WITH ME NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE THAT IF YOU WANT TO START SOMETHING, IT HAS GOT TO START WITH SOMEONE. AND THAT SOMEONE IN THIS CASE WAS YOU. AND I AM REALLY, REALLY MOVED BY THAT. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, WHAT YOU HAVE DONE TODAY, AND WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DO IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU FOR BEING THE INDIVIDUAL THAT YOU ARE, KIND, THINKING OF THE FUTURE AND THINKING OF MANKIND. I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: COUNCILMAN CITRO. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. GENTLEMEN, I WILL SAY WHAT I ALWAYS SAY TO ALL SERVICE PERSONNEL. THANK YOU FOR MY FREEDOMS, BUT MOST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR REMEMBERING THOSE WHO SERVED FOR MY FREEDOMS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: ECHOING WHAT MY COLLEAGUES SAID. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND HELP US TO REMEMBER EVERYONE ELSE WHO SACRIFICED SO MUCH. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AND CHAIRMAN GUDES, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BRINGING THESE FINE GENTLEMEN IN FRONT OF US. AND SERGEANT, WE ARE SO HONORED TO HAVE YOU HERE TODAY AND TO GIVE YOU THIS HONOR FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. ON FATHER'S DAY, THIS COMING SUNDAY, WE WI BE TTING OUT A STONE AT THE GRAVEYARD FOR MY DAD WHO I LOST A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. AND HE PROUDLY SERVED IN THE U.S. ARMY IN THE ARTILLERY, AND WE ARE PUTTING THAT ON HIS STONE SO NOBODY WOULD EVER FORGET. AND I WILL REMEMBER EVERY YEAR TO PUT OUT -- PUT OUT A FLAG ON THE APPROPRIATE DAY. BUT THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, GENTLEMEN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VICE-CHAIR. MR. COLLINS THEN HAVE ONE FINAL STATEMENT. GO AHEAD, SIR. >> WHEN YOU VISIT THE STATE CAPITOL, WHEN YOU VISITED CEMETERY ON 301 THE FIRST NAME IS SAM ABRAMS. SAM ABRAMS WAS A CLASSMATE OF MINE. THE FIRST NAME YOU SEE ON THE MONUMENT FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS A TAMPA RESIDENT. THE FIRST TWO VETERANS KILLED IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY ARE IN THAT CEMETERY OUT THERE. SO I WANT TO THANK YOU. AND I WAVRPT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VICE-CHAIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. GENTLEMEN, WE WILL WAIT MINUTE OR TWO. I GUESS WE CAN KEEP THINGS MOVING. IS THE -- ARE THE FOLKS FROM THE URBAN LEAGUE DOWNSTAIRS TO GIVE THEIR REPORT? YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>LUIS VIERA: HEY, MR. CHAIRMAN. HOW ARE YOU, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M HERE TODAY WITH MR. STANLEY GRAY, WHICH MANY OF US KNOW IS SUCH A WONDERFUL CIVIC LEADER AND IMPORTANT VOICE HERE IN THE TAMPA AREA. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN STDING THERE WITH THOSE VETERANS TOO. >>LUIS VIERA: AMEN. A UNITED STATES MARINETHAT COMES FROM A VERY MILITARY-INVOLVED FAMILY. MR. GRAY IS HERE AS CAPACITY AS INTERIM EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE BRAND-NEW HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY TAMPA AREA URBAN LEAGUE. MANY OF US KNOW ABOUT THE URBAN LEAGUE AND THEIR WONDERFUL HISTORY IN THESE UNITED STATES IN TERMS OF FIGHTING FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE, FOR CIVIL RIGHTS, AS WELL AS FOR ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. THE URBAN LEAGUE'S MISSION HERE IN THE TAMPA AND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AREA IS GOING TO BE V VERY, VERY UNIQUE, TAILORED NOT ONLY ISSUES OF EQUALITY BUT EQUITY. MAKING SURE THAT RISING TIDE THAT WE HAVE CONTINUES TO LIVE AND REACH ALL BOATS, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY COME FROM, REGARDLESS OF WHO THEIR PARENTS ARE, REGARDLESS THEIR SKIN COLOR ETC. ETC. WE LOOK AT THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AREA, AN AREA THAT NEEDS AN URBAN LEAGUE. AREA LIKE EAST TAMPA, SULPHUR SPRINGS, THE UNIVERSITY AREA, ETC. ETC. , WE NEED CONTINUED INFLUENCE OF SO MANY OF OUR HISTORIC CIVIL RIGHTS AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY TO ADVOCATE HERE IN THE TAMPA AREA. I WANTED TO INVITE MR. GRAY TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE URBAN LEAGUE AND THE WORK THEY WILL BE DOING IN THE TAMPA AREA. SO MR. GRAY, TAKE IT, SIR. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COUNCILMAN VIERA. ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS, OUR 197 MEMBERS, AND ALL OF OUR CONTRIBUTORS, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK, AGAIN, COUNCILMAN VIERA AS WELL AS THE COUNCIL FOR HOSTING US TODAY. PRESIDENT MISSION OF THE URBAN LEAGUE IS TO ASSIST CAN THE ATTAINMENT OF ECONOMIC EQUITY FOR THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN MINORITY COMMUNITIES. AND N HEO TT THROUGH HANDS UP AND COLLABORATIVE MEANS. AND I WOULD RATHER NOT SPEND ALL OF THE TIME YOU HAVE GIVEN ME TO TALK OF WHAT WE ARE DO DOING, HOW WE ARE DOING AND WHAT WE ACHIEVE. WHEN I LOOK AT THE COUNCIL, I KIND OF SEE A PICTURE OF OPPORTUNITY THAT WE THE URBAN LEAGUE FACE. AND BY THAT, I MEAN THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GET OUT, OUR MESSAGE AND WHAT OUR INTENTIONS ARE. WHEN I LOOK AT THE COUNCIL, I SEE A TRUE SNAPSHOT OF OUR COMMUNITY, PEOPLE WE HAVE CONTACTED THAT TAKEN THE CHALLENGE AND JOINED US, TAKEN THE CHALLENGE TO USE THEIR TALENTS TO GUE US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO OBTAIN MEMBERSHIP AND FUNDING AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE PROMISED TO JOIN BUT HAVEN'T JOINED, AND PEOPLE WHO WE TALKED TO WHO HAVEN'T EVEN ANSWERED BACK. I THINK THAT WE ARE IN A VERY CRUCIAL TIME RIGHT NOW. I THINK IT IS TIME FOR US TO LOOK AT THE OPPORTUNITIES AT HAND FOR DEVELOPING OUR WORKFORCE, BECAUSE THAT IS REALLY THE NUMBER ONE WAY TO ACHIEVE ECONOMIC EQUITY TO BE TRAINED FOR LIVING WAGE JOBS. WITH THAT SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER MY -- THE REST OF MY TIME UP TO THE COUNCIL TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. I WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: IF I CAN MAKE A STATEMENT REAL FAST. I WANT TO THANK YOU, STANLEY, FOR ALL THE HARD WORK YOU HAVE PUT IN. WHAT HAS IT BEEN, TWO YEARS AND MORE, AND YOUR OTHER COLLEAGUES FOR THE EFFORTS YOU PUT IN. AS YOU KNOW I WAS A VOLUNTEER AT THE PRIOR URBAN LEAGUE AND IT HAS BEEN VERY MISSED. A GAP WE NEEDED TO FILL IN THE COMMUNITY AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP. AND HE TWISTED MY ARM THROUGH MY COMPANY TO BE AN EARLY SPONSOR AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET OTHER PEOPLE TO SUPPORT THE URBAN LEAGUE AS YOU CONTINUE FORWARD, BUT OFF GREAT GROUP OF PEOPLE AND A FANTASTIC AGENDA. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING YOU AND YOUR TEAM IN ANY WAY WE CAN. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CITRO. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I, TOO, HAVE BECOME PART OF THE URBAN LEAGUE THANKS TO MR. GRAY. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE A PART. LAST NIGHT I WAS AT FLORIDA CANE DISTILLERIES WHERE WE HAD A MAGNIFICENT PARTY FOR THE URBAN LEAGUE. BUT I WOULD LE FOYOU TO TELL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING TODAY, WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS OVER THE NEXT YEAR? >> WELL, YOU KNOW, ONE OF -- I GUESS, LET ME TELL YOU THIS. FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART, I WANTS US AS A COMMUNITY AND AS A NATION TO QUIT WASTING THE HUMAN CAPITAL EQUATION. WE HAVE TO ADMIT THAT WE HAVE SYSTEMIC BARRIERS THAT PREVENT PEOPLE FROM REACHING THEIR ULTIMATE POTENTAL. BY NOT DOING THAT, WHAT WE ARE DOING IS WE ARE BREEDING GENERATIONS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE UNEMPLOYABLE AND YOU CAN NOT ATTAIN ECONOMIC EQUITY. THE BURDEN TO TRY TO SUSTAIN THOSE PEOPLE REALLY GOES ON TO THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER. NOW I CAN SIT AND I CAN MODEL FOR YOU AND SHOW YOU WHY YOUR INVESTMENT, YOUR EARLY INVESTMENT, WHY IT WILL ACTUALLY DECREASE THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL TAXES AND FOR ADDITIONAL CONCERNS. SO I ALMOST WANT PEOPLE TO LOOK AT THIS IN A VERY SELFISH MANNER. YOU KNOW, YOUR GOAL IS TO PAY LESSAXES, TO SUSTAIN PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE LIVING WAGE JOBS. PUT A LITTLE MONEY ON THE FRONT END INTO PROGRAMS AND TO SERVICES THAT HELP ACHIEVE THAT. NOW, YOU KNOW, I AM GOING TO ASK YOU A QUESTION. IT IS HARD WHEN YOU START GIVING ANALOGIES, OKAY. BUT I WILL GIVE YOU AN ANALOGY WITH THE POPULATION. ONE OF THE THINGS WE MEASURE CRIME BY IS RECIDIVISM. NOW LOOK AT SOMEONE WHO WE INCARCERATE AS A JUVENILE DELINQUENT WHO ONCE THEY ARE IN THE SYSTEM, WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENS TTHEM. THAT IS COMPARISON A. COMPARISON B IS SOMEBODY WHO IN JAIL WAS RECRUITED BY THE NATION OF ISLAM. WE ARE COMPARING NOT PHILOSOPHIES, NOT IDEALS, BUT COMPARING TWO DIFFERENT GROUPS. WHAT IS THE RECIDIVISM OF SOMEONE WHO JOINS THE NATION OF ISLAM, I WILL TELL YOU IT IS A VERY LOW NUMBER. THE REASON WHY, YOU GAVE SOMEBODY HOPE, YOU GAVE THEM AN ASPIRATION AND YOU GAVE THEM A GOAL AND GAVE THEM SUPPORT. WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT FOR OUR POPULATION? >>SEPHITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. GRAY. WELL SAID. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES, SIR. ANYBODY ELSE? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. GRAY, FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, WHAT YOU ARE DOING TODAY, WHAT YOU ARE TAKING ON IN THE FUTURE AND WHAT YOU ARE REALLY DOING FOREVER. AND THE WORDS I CAUGHT MOST WERE WORDS WHEN YOU SPOKE FROM YOUR HEART THAT CAME OUT THROUGH YOUR MOUTH SAYING THE FACT -- THE FACT IS THAT IF YOU DON'T CHANGE FROM SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY TO TODAY, TOMORROW AND TO THE FUTURE, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE CHANGE. YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE IT STARTS WAY BACK WHEN YOU ARE MUCH YOUNGER THAN YOU AND I. AND WHEN YOU GIVE SOME YOUNG PERSON AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN, TO FOLLOW A GUIDELINE, THEY BECOME A BETTER CITIZEN. AND IF THAT HAPPENS, THEIR KIDS AND THEIR KID'S KIDS. THAT IS WHO I BELIEVE YOU ARE SPEAKING ON WILL FOLLOW THE GUIDANCE OF THE PARENTS AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE MISSING. I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF. I HAD A LOT OF HELP AND PROGRAMS TO GET ME TO WHERE I AM AT TODAY. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOUR ORGANIZATION FOR GIVING THE YOUNG PEOPLE AND YOUAVE GOT TO CHANGE IT WHEN THEY ARE REAL YOUNG. BECAUSE IF NOT, THEY GET USED TO WHAT THEY SEE ON THE STREET AND THE STREET PERSON ONLY LEARNS IN THE STREET. AND THE PERSON HAS GUIDANCE CAN GO TO THE PARK AND LEARN SOMETHING FROM NOT ONLY THE KIDS THAT THEY ARE PLAYING W WITH. YOU GOT TO LEARN HOW TO WIN AND CERTAINLY BEFORE YOU LEARN HOW TO WIN, YOU GOT TO LEARN HOW TO LOSE AND GET BACK UP AND TRY TO WIN. THAT IS WHERE I THINK THE DIFFICULTIES ARE. SOME OF US FALL. YOU KNOW. DON'T HAVE THE ENCOURAGEMENT TO GET UP AND TRY AGAIN. U CAT DO THAT. YOU MUST CONTINUE TO TRY IF YOU WANT TO SUCCEED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOU AND WHAT YOUR ORGANIZATION THE URBAN LEAGUE IS DOING. THANK YOU, SIR. >> SIR, IF I CAN SAY ONE THING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESPONSE, BUT I REALLY THINK THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE IS TO TRY COLLECTIVELY RAISE THE LEVEL OF SELF-ACTUALIZATION OF ALL OF OUR PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T DO THAT, WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS THAT PEOPLE JUST CONTINUE ON. I MEAN, A LOT OF TIMES I ACTUALLY ASK THIS QUESTION. DO OUR PARENTS AND DO OUR G GRANDPARENTS WANT BETTER FOR THEIR GRANDKIDS AND CHILDREN THAN THEY DO THEMSELVES? BY ACTION, A LOT OF TIMES I REALLY QUESTION THAT BECAUSE THE LEVEL OF SELF-ACTUALIZATION HAS DIPPED SO LOW. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND, THANK YOU. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: STANLEY, I WILL SAY FEW WORDS AND PASS IT BACK TO THE CHAIRMAN WHO JUST REJOINED US. I THINK WHEN YOU AND I MET, I THINK IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO, I THINK I WAS EITHER TEACHING SCHOOL OR FINISHING TEACHING SCHOOL AT BOOKER T. WASHINGTON IN YBOR CITY AND I WENT DOWN ROBINSON HIGH. BETWEEN THAT AND MY PUBLIC DEFENDER EXPERIENCES OR THE YEARS, ALL VERY EYE OPENING TO ME. AND VERY VALUABLE EXPERIENCES, BECAUSE IT HAS GIVEN ME A LEVEL OF EMPATH TO KNOW THAT WE STILL HAVE SOME VERY BIG ISSUES IN THIS CITY. AND ISSUES THAT I KNOW THIS COUNCIL AND OUR MAYOR ARE TRYING TO ADDRESS ON A DAILY BASIS. BUT WE CAN'T DO IT ALONE. AND I SO ADMIRE AND APPRECIATE YOU, STANLEY, FOR JUMPING -- JUMPING BACK IN WHEN YOU COULD HAVE BEEN ENJOYING YOUR RETIREMENT MANY, MANY YEARS A AGO, BUT YOU JUMP BACK IN WHEN YOU SEE A VOID. AND WE APPRECIATE THAT GREATLY OFF THIS REVITALIZED AND REINVIGORATED THE TAMPA URBAN LEAGUE. STANLEY, TELL FOLKS WHAT YOUR WEB SITE IS SO THEY CAN REACH OUT TO YOU IN WHATEVER CAPACITY THEY CAN. >> PLEASE FEEL FREE TO LOOK UP INFORMATION ABOUT US. WWW.ULHC.ORG. AGAIN WWW.ULHC.ORG. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, SIR. MR. CHAIRMAN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DID HEAR THE COMMENTS. I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH MR. GRAY AND OTHER FOLKS WITH THE URBAN LEAGUE. I THINK IT IS -- I THINK HE HAS THE RIGHT PATH. HE IS GETTING THE RIGHT PEOPLE ON THE BOARD. PEOPLE WHO ARE COMMITTED. PEOPLE WHO CAN RAISE DOLLARS. IT IS ALWAYS KEY. I THINK FOR ME WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT MR. GRAY IS TALK. IT IS EMPOWERFUL. IT IS EMPOWERFULMENT. WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY. POWEENT AND WORKING TOGETHER MAKE US A MUCH STRONGER COMMUNITY. HELP THE ORGANIZATION THRIVE WHEN WE ARE IN POWER. MR. GRAY, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS AND YOU ARE WORKING HARD TO MAKE US ONE OF THE BEST URBAN LEAGUE IN THE COUNTRY. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, SIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. HAS EVERYBODY GONE AND TALKED. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK SO. MR. CHAIRMAN -- MR. GRAY, WE APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. [APPLAUSE] MR. CHAIRMAN, THE HELM IS YOURS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: OKAY, GENTLEMEN. WE ARE GOING TO GO -- NUMBER FOUR, I AM SORRY. MISS FOXX-KNOWLES. ITEM NUMBER FOUR. >> GOOD MORNING, SHIRLEY F FOXX-KNOWLES, CITY CLERK. I'M HERE WITH THE APPLICANT EXPRESSING AN INTEREST OF BEING APPOINTED TO THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD. MISS OONA RUTH JOHNSEN. >> HI, JUST WANTED TO APPEAR BEFORE YOU TO SHOW MY INTEREST IN THE V RB POSITION, VOLUNTEER POSITION. I AM A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT WITH ABOUT 20 YEARS IN THE PROFESSION. I AM LICENSED IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND CALIFORNIA. I SPECIALIZE IN PUBLIC PRO PROJECTS, PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SPACES, PARKS AND PLAZAS. I AM HAPPY TO DO WHAT I CAN FOR MY COMMUNITY. I RVE THEPO LIVABLEIVABLE R ROADWAY COMMITTEE. I ALSO AM ON THE U.S. GREEN BUILDING COUNCIL WOMEN AND GREENS HOST COMMITTEE. AND LASTLY, I ALSO ON THE TAMPA DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP URBAN DESIGN COMMITTEE AS WELL. SO I DO WHAT I CAN. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I READ THE APPLICATION, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF IT IS FINE WITH YOU, I MOVE THE APPOINTEE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MIRANDA. SECOND BY MANISCALCO. ROLL CALL VOTE. CLERK? >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: AS PART OF THE LIVABLE ROADWAY AND HAVING HEARD MISS JENSEN FOR MONTHS NOW, I KNOW SHE WILL MAKE A GREAT ADDITION TO THE VRB. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, YES. >>CLERK: VIERA? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >> MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING ABSENT AT V VOTE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, AND CONGRATULATIONS. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>ORLANDO GUDES: GENTLEMEN, YOU KNOW I AM ALWAYS TRANSPARENT. THERE WAS INFORMATION THAT WE RECEIVED THAT THERE WOULD BE A PRESS CONFERENCE AT 10:00. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT. THE MAYOR IS HAVING A PRESS CONFERENCE WITH THE NAACP PRESIDENT AND NOT REGARDING ANY ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA. IT IS REGARDING ANOTHER ITEM WHICH IS WITH OUR CEMETERIES D I WENT TO MAKE SURE TAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AS A PRESS CONFERENCE, I WAS GOING TO STOP OUR MEETING TO LISTEN TO THAT PRESS CONFERENCE BUT APPARENTLY THAT IS NOT THE CASE. APPARENTLY IT IS REFERENCE TO THE CEMETERY. SO THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING WHAT I RECEIVED FROM THE COMMUNICATION DIRECTOR JANELLE McGREGOR. WE WILL PROO PROCEED. GENERAL PUBLIC. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FUNNY COINCIDENCE. AFTER HAVING READ ALL THE ARTICLES IN THE PAPER ABOUT THE WHICH NOW APPARENTLY MIGHT BE HIDDEN AWAY UNDERNEATH CONCRETE I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO MAKE A MOTION -- I STILL MIGHT MAKE A MOTION FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO REPORT BACK US TO WHAT THE CITY CAN AND WILL BE DOING TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE. AND I AM NOT SAYING -- I AM NOT SAYING THE CITY IS HERE TO FIX EVERY POSSIBLE PROBLEM IN HISTORY, BUT IN THIS CASE, IF YOU BELIEVE THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE, WHICH I DO, IT APPEARS THAT THE CITY WAS POTENTIALLY COMPLICITY IN THIS -- IN THIS ISSUE. WHICH MEANS THAT WE NEED TO STEP UP AND I AM SURE SHAH IS WHAT IS HAPPENING OUTSIDE AT THIS PRESS CONFERENCE, AT LEAST I HOPE SO THAT THE MAYOR AND STATE LEGISLATURE IS STEPPING UP AND ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE. WE NEED TO GET TO THE ROOT OF IT AND FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED TO THESE FOLKS AND WHERE WE ARE GUDES AID MEETING AND THEY WILL TALK ABOUT THE CEMETERIES. JOHN BENNETT SAID SHE IS THE FOCAL POINT ON THE CEMETERY ISSUES AND WHEN THESE ISSUES COME UP HOW THEY WILL ATTACK THESE SITUATIONS. SO WE SHOULD BE HEARING SOMETHING IN BACK WITH REFERENCE TO THAT PARTICULAR CEMETERY AND THE PLAN THEY WILL PUT FORTH FOR ALL THE CEMETERIES IN THE CITY IF SOMETHING COMES UP. THEY HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE AND HOPEFULLY WILL GET INFORMATION SOON. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GREAT. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: AS WE GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAVE A BUNCH OF SPEAKERS DOWNSTAIRS IN REFERENCE TO ITEM 64. I AM GOING TO ASK ANYONE THAT IS MAKING PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY ON ITEM 64 WAIT UNTIL THAT ITEM IS RAISED AND THEY CAN SPEAK TO THE ISSUE THEN. IF ANYONE ELSE HAS JUST REGULAR PUBLIC COMMENT. THEY CAN SPEAK WHEN I OPEN IT UP. IF YOU WERE SPEAKING ON ITEM 64, WAIT UNTIL ITEM 64 IS CALLED. I AM ASKING ALL COUNCILMEMBERS DO NOT AT THIS POINT IN JUNCTURE ASK ANY QUESTIONS OF ANYBODY. WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS FINISHED AND ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS IF YOU WOULD FOR TIME CONSTRAINT BECAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE A LONG DAY AND MAKE SURE WE GET EVERYTHING IN AND EVERYBODY CAN SPEAK. ALSO, I AM GOING TO STICK TO THE THREE MINUTE. NOT GIVE ANYONE ANY EXTRA TIME. THREE MINUTES AND WE WILL CUT YOU OFF AND THEN MOVE FORWARD. COUNCILMEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS YOU CAN RESPOND AFTER ALL THE COMMENTS. CARLSON, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>BILL CARLSON: WE ARE DOING 64 AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT. WE ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE THEM WAIT ALL DAY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR. WE WILL DO IT FIRST. YES SIR. WE WILL START WITH PUBLIC COMMENT. DOWNSTAIRS, SECOND FLOOR. AGAIN, IF YOU ARE SPEAKING ON ITEM 64 WILL BEELD UNTIL WE GET TO THAT POINT. >> HI. MY NAME IS ERIKA LIBERT S. 1037 MILWAUKEE AVENUE. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TODAY. ALL KNOW I AM NOT A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, I AM A STUDENT IN THE PUBLIC POLICY ADMINISTRATION PROGRAM AT ST. PETERSBURG COLLEGE, SO I HAVE TAKEN A VESTED INTEREST IN ITEM 5, THE AMENDMENT OF-71 REGARDING INTERNAL AUDITS. NOVEMBER 18, 2016 IN THE GENERAL ELECTION, THE CONSTITUENTS OF THE CITY OF TAMPY AUDITOR TO PERFORM ADDITIONAL INTERNAL AUDIT PRIOR TO THE BEGINNING OF EACH FISCAL YEAR. I BELIEVE IT IS NECESSARY TO ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE BASED ON VOTERS CHOICE BUT CAPACITY LIMITATIONS WHEN DEALING WITH THE INTERNAL AUDIT PROCESS THAT THE PUBLIC MAY NOT BE AWARE OF. SINCE THIS AMENDMENT WILL NOT INCREASE THE NUMBER OF INTERNAL AUDITS EACH YEAR AND INSTEAD DECISIONS ON WHICH ETERNAL AUDITS. MY RECOMMENDATION TO INCLUDE IN THE LANGUAGE OF E AMDMEN SOMETHING THAT ADDRESSES A SPECIFIC PERCENTAGE OF ADDITIONAL AUDITS THAT MAY BE ADDED OR A SPECIFIC NUMBER THAT CITY COUNCIL MAY REQUEST AFTER THE ANNUAL ALTERNATIVE WORK PLAN IS PROPOSED VERSUS INDICATING THE LANGUAGE THERE SHOULD JUST BE CAPACITY LIMITATIONS THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. >> SOVEREIGN HOLDING JOHNNY BERNARD, UNIFORM, 1-308. WORLDWIDE GOVERNING BODY. I HAVE BEEN WATCHING, KEEPING AN EYE ON THINGS. I SEE THAT SOME OF YOU GOVERNMENTS ARE STILL REFUSING TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PEOPLE. AND REALLY LET THEM KNOW WHO THEY ARE. MOST OF YOU PEOPLE ARE LOST. THEY DON'T KNOW THEIR HIST HISTORIES. THEY DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE. FIGHTING OVER NOTHING. AND COVID CAME IN DOING A LITTLE SPIN. BUT IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACTS THAT WHAT HAS TAKEN PLACE. RELIGION ON THE SCENE IS TRYING TO KEEP A HEAVY FOOT BUT DOESN'T WANT TO COME OUT WITH ANY TRUTH BECAUSE RELIGION IS AFRAID OF LOSING MON, CONGREGATION, HOUSES AND STUFF TO WHICH THEY STOLE FROM THEIR PEOPLE ANYWAYS. AS FAR AS THIS THING GOES, EVERYONE IS GETTING THEIR STIMULUS CHECKS AND ALL OF T THIS. SPEND YOUR STIMULUS CHECKS WISELY. A CATCH-22 WITH THOSE STIMULUS CHECKS, YOU KNOW. IT IS NOT FREE. YES, THEY GOT A LITTLE HIDDEN AGENDAS BEHIND THEM. TWO GOVEMENTS OPERATING RIGHT NOW IN THE UNITED STATES. YOU HAVE A FREE GOVERNMENT. AND YOU HAVE A WORKING GOVERNMENT, A GOVERNMENT FOR WORKERS SERVANTS. THESE TWO GOVERNMENTS HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR A LONG TIME, BUT ONLY ONE HAS BEEN SPEAKING, WHICH IS CALLED A COMMERCIAL GOVERNMENT, A SUB GOVERNMENT, WHICH ISN'T REALLY GOVERNING THE PEOPLE, IT IS JUST GO GOVERNING JOBS AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOUR FINANCES. DEBTORSHIP. DEBT. THE DEBT IS STILL IN PLACE. NOW THAT DEBT DOESN'T BELONG TO EVERYBODY. IT ONLY BELONGS TO THOSE WHO STAY IN THE FALSEHOOD, WHO DON'T COME UP OUT OF THE FALSEHOOD. NOW NEIGHBORHOODS, CITIES, YOU GUYS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FAMILIES COMMUNITIES. INSTEAD YOU ARE FIGHTING EACH OTHER BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. SOME OF YOU THINK YOU KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON BECAUSE YOU WERE TAUGHT A FALSE HISTORY, YOU WERE TAUGHT A FALSE EDUCATION IN ORDER TO KEEP NEW LINE, IN ORDER TO KEEP YOU WORKING, MOVING ALONG. IT'S TIME TO REBUILD AS YOU LIKE TO SAY REVELATION. REVEAL THINGS THAT THAT HAVE BEEN HIDDEN. THIS AIN'T THE TIME TO KEEP HIDING STUFF FROM PEOPLE. THE MONEY DOESN'T MATTER REALLY BECAUSE IT IS NOT REAL, IT IS SOMETHING THAT KEEP THE PEOPLE CHASING AND RUNNING. YOU GUYS NOW HAVE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS. ALL RIGHT, THAT IS Y'ALL'S COMMERCIAL LEADER BUT NOT YOUR HEAD OF AMERICA. THAT IS JUST THERE FOR THE WORKERS. AMERICA GOT MANY LEADERS THAT HAVE NOT SPOKEN UP. FOR REAL LEADERS. COMMERCIAL LEADERS ARE THERE FOR THE WORKERS. WE NEED TO REALLY JUST COME OUT ON THE SCENE AND START REALLY SPEAKING AND DOING WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING ON THE SCENE. THE COMMERCIAL PART, THEY HANDLE THE WORKERS. THE SAME THING IS GOING ON IN EVERY COUNTRY EVERYWHERE. IT MAY NOT BE -- THEY MAY NOT SPEAK IT OR VERBALIZE IT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. >> UHURA. MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAL HEALEY. WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE NEED TO BE THINKING OF WHAT WE ARE DOING. AT THE CLUB PARTYING, IF WE ARE OUTSIDE, HAVING F FAMILY REUNION, PICNIC, SHOULD BE THINKING OF OUR VIS NUMB, UHURU. THAT IS WHAT THAT WORD MEANS. I WANT TO GIVE YOU A PERSONAL EXAMPLE OF HOW I DEAL WITH MY KIDS. I GOT LOTS OF CHILDREN. I PROMISED THEM NO CORPORAL PUNISHMENT AROUND OUR HOUSE. NONE WHATSOEVER. NO VIOLENCE AROUND OUR HOUSE. NONE WHATSOEVER. ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NONE. AND ANY TIME THEY GET OUT OF LINE AND I CATCH THEM AND PUT THAT BELT ON THEM, THEY LIKE, I THOUGHT YOU SAID WE NEVER -- I PLEDGE I MADE, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE TO DO GOOD. YOU HAVE TO REPRESENT. I AM GOING TO REPRESENT WHAT I SAY. NO CORPORAL PUNISHMENT. AND YOU HAVE TO REPRESENT YOUR LEVEL OF EXPECTATION IN SOC SOCIETY. AND WHAT I HAVE TO SAY IS ORLANDO GUDES, IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO RESIGN. IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO RESIGN THIS POSITION. YEAH. IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO SAY GOODBYE TO DISTRICT 5. STRAIGHT UP. AND I AM GOING TO TELL YOU WHY. WE CANNOT HAVE POLITICIANS ANYMORE THAT DON'T REPRESENT THE INTEREST OF AFRICAN PEOPLE. 1863, ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS TALKING ABOUT EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION AND IN 1865, GENERAL SHERMAN WAS TALKING OF 40 ACRES AND A MULE. IN 1865, TALKING OF JUNETEENTH AND FREEDOM FOR AFRICANS, AND IN 1921, WE ARE AROUND HERE AS BLACK PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT IF WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A PARK. IF THEY ARE GOING TO REBUILD SOMETHING. DO THIS. IF WE GOT A PLACE TO LIVE, WHATSOEVER. WE ARE WAY PAST 40 ACRES AND A MULE. OUR BLACK POLITICIANS HAVE TO TALK OF REPARATIONS. OUR BLACK POLITICNS HE TO TALK OF POLICE VIOLENCE. OUR BLACK POLITICIANS CAN'T TALK OF COMPROMISE AND GIVING THE MAYOR AND THROWING NAACP OFF IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION AND COMPROMISES AND WHATNOT. BLACK PEOPLE DON'T NEED THAT. STATE OF TEXAS LAST NIGHT THE GOVERNOR SAID EVERYBODY CAN CARRY A GUN. ANYBODY CAN OWN A WEAPON. IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, Y'ALL CAN'T THROW BICYCLE STOPS. OUR REPRESENTATIVES CAN'T THROW A BICYCLE STOPS OFF OUR TEENAGERS AND ADULTS. SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT PICTURE. BLACK PEOPLE DON'T NEED TO BE SUFFERING FFERG SUFFERING SUFFERING 600 YEARS, 621 YEARS OF SUFFERING. OUR AFRICAN PEOPLE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT. I DON'T NEED TO BE AN ADULT MAN AND SUFFERING EVERY DAY. NO. IT'S TIME FOR CHANGE. A REAL CHANGE. NOT THE OBAMA CHANGE. TIME FOR THE MALCOLM X, FRED HAMPTON AND BLACK PANTHER PARTY FOR BLACK PEOPLE. CAN'T BURN ROSEWOOD, BLACK WALL STREET, CENTRAL PARK VILLAGE AND ALL THAT AND SAY WE WILL HAVE SOMETHING -- HISTORIC HOUSE FOR Y'ALL TO LOOK AT. NO, WE NEED REAL SOLUTIONS. NEED REAL CHANGES. WE NEED REAL POWER IN OUR HAND AS AFRICAN PEOPLE. WE ARE 26% OF THIS POPULATION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THEIR MR. MENTESNOT. THANK YOU FOR COMING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: A POINT OF I OW YOU PROBABLY WOULD PREFER ME NOT TO SAY ANYTHING, BUT I WILL RESPOND TO THAT LAST SPEAKER. LET ME JUST SAY THAT I HAVE WORKED SITTING IN THIS CHAIR WITH A VARIETY OF COUNCILMEN AND COUNCIL WHOIM REPRESENT YOUR DISTRICT IN EAST TAMPA. AND THEY ARE ALL GOOD PEOPLE. THEY HAVE ALL WORKED HARD, BUT I NEVER WORKED WITH ANYBODY WHO HAS WORKED HARDER FOR YOUR DISTRICT, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAN YOU HAVE. OKAY. YOU ARE -- YOU ARE OUT THERE. YOU ARE WORKING ON THE STREETS. YOU ARE WORKING IT HERE. YOU ARE WORKING IT ACROSS THE STREET WITH THE MAYOR. YOU ARE DOING EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO HELP THE FOLKS OF YOUR DISTRICT AND THIS ENTIRE CITY EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK, 24-7. AND I -- AND IT IS MY HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO SERVE WITH YOU. AND WHILE I MIGHT AGREE WITH SOME THINGS THAT THE GENTLEMAN SAYS SOMETIMES, I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT. AND I JUST NEEDED TO GET THAT OFF MY CHEST. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. YOU CAN CONTINUE, SIR. >> GOOD MORNING. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MORNING. >> ERIC COX. I AM A HOMELESS SENIOR CITIZEN. I HAVE BEEN A HARD WORKER ALL MY LIFE. I PAID MY TAXES. AND I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF THE HOMELESS FOR THE DISABLED. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IS BEING DONE ABOUT THAT. I HAD SEVERAL DOORS CLOSED IN MY FACE. I AM TRYING TO GET A HOUSE -- AN APARTMENT OR SOMETHING FOR MYSELF. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE ISSUE? WHY IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH THIS? THERE ARE A LOT OF HOMELESS PEOPLE. I DON'T DRINK. I DON'T DO DRUGS AND WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR ME A BLACK MAN WHO LIFT IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY. BORN AND RAISED IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY TO GET HOUSING. WHAT IS BEING DONE ABOUT THAT? WHY IS IT SO HARD? WHY CAN'T WE OPEN UP DOORS AND NOT MAKE IT SO HARD FOR PEOPLE MY AGE, PEOPLE MY COLOR. NOT EVEN MY COLOR, OTHER RACES THAT ARE FACING THE SAME THING. THIS ISSUE HAS TO BE ADDRESSED THE AND NOT JUST PUT BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND SAY WE WILL ADDRESS THAT SOME OTHER TIME. THIS ISSUE HAS TO BE ADDRESSED NOW AND HAS TO BE ADDRESSED WITH DILIGENCE. CAN SOMEONE GIVE ME AN ANSWER? CAN SOMEONE PLEASE RESPOND? AND DON'T JUST PUT ME ON THE SIDE AND SAY WE WILL ADDRESS IT LATER. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM ONE OF THE COUNCILMEMBERS, PLEASE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, DO YOU WANT ME TO ADDRESS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: RESPOND TO THE GENTLEMAN. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I AM MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. GENERALLY SPEAKING QUESTIONS ARE NOT ENTERTAINED AT THIS POINT. I SUSPECT SOMEBODY FROM THE CITY COUNCIL STAFF WILL BE THERE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK WITH YOU ABOUT THAT. YOU CAN CERTAINLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK -- MAKE YOUR STATEMENT AND PERHAPS THE COUNCILMEMBERS WILL REACHUT OR SHOULD REACH OUT IF THAT IS THEIR CHOICE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: SONYA IS DOWN AND WILL GIVE MY CARD, MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOT THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, BUT A RULE THAT SAYS THAT CITY CITY COUNCILS SHOULD BE REFRAIN TO ENGAGE A SPEAKER IN DIALOGUE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. THEY ARE THERE TO LISTEN TO YOU AND HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY AND THAT IS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. THANK YOU AND SOMEBODY WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU ON THE SECOND FLOOR. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HAVE A GOOD DAY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU SO MUC FOR YOUR COMMENTS. WE APPRECIATE YOU. ANY MORE SPEAKERS ON THE SECOND FLOOR? >> YES, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK GOD FOR ME BEING HERE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: STATE YOUR NAME. >> MELVIN LEE HICKS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANYOU, R. >> I WANT TO THANK GOD FOR ME BEING HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COUNCIL PEOPLE. I DON'T WANT TO SEE MYSELF. ALL RIGHT. I WOULD LIKE FOR ALL THE COUNCILMEMBERS TO RESIGN, EVEN THE CITY -- THE COUNCIL ATTORNEY. AND I THINK Y'ALL IN TOTAL VIOLATION OF THE STATE AND FEDERAL LAW BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING TO ME. Y'ALL HAVE NO COMPETENCY OF RUNNING A DISTRICT -- YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE AOMPETENCY TO RUN A DISTRICT. YOU USE DIFFERENT TOOLS TO HARASS ME AND HARASS THE PEOPLE AND THEIR SAFETY ABOUT DOING IT. YOU DO IT ALL BY THAT -- BY -- BY EVERYTHING. IT IS SO MUCH THAT I CAN'T EVEN SAY IT ALL, FOR REAL. AND THE COUNCIL ATTORNEY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY, YOU NEED TO GIVE UP YOUR LICENSE TOO BECAUSE YOU ARE IN TOTAL VIOLATION OF YOUR OATH. YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN TALK, SIR. YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN TALK OR GIVE COMMENT OR SAY ANYTHING. YOU ARE IN TOTAL VIOLATION OF YOUR OATH. SIR. AND MR. ORLANDO GUDES. COUNCIL. CITY COUNCIL CHAIRMAN, I SECOND THAT MOTION FOR YOU TO RESIGN, SIR. BECAUSE OUR BLACK MAN. OUR BLACK MAN. AND YOU SEE HOW THE CITY HAVE BEEN DOING THE BLACK COMMUNITY. EVEN THE COUNTY. YOU SEE HOW THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THEM. I AM PROOF IN THE PUDDING HOW YOU ARE GOING TO SAY -- I AM PROOF IN THE PUDDING. I READ THAT STORY WHAT HAPPENED IN TULSA, BLACK NEGR O, NO ONE TOUCH HIM. I HAVE BEEN TOUCHED TWO TIMES. TOTAL VIOLATION OF THE CON CONTRACT. YOU ALL NEED TO RESIGN. JOHN -- DINGFELDER -- YOU NEED TO BE QUIET. YOU NEED TO BE QUIET, SIR. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SPEAKING FOR SOMEBODY. I REMEMBER PUBLIX WAVING YOUR DAMN HAND -- EXCUSE ME, WAVING YOUR HAND FOR A VOTE, SIR. YOU HAVE NO CREDIBILITY. NONE AT ALL. NONE AALL, SIR. NO CREDIBILITY. FOR THE PEOPLE. YOU ONLY GOT CREDIBILITY FOR YOUR POCKET. FOR -- YOU ARE -- YOU ARE A CAREER POLITICIAN. SO WHAT IS A CAREER POLITICIAN? NOT FOR THE PEOPLE. ALL OF Y'ALL NEED TO RESIGN. EVERY SINGLE LAST ONE OF Y'ALL NEED TO PUT YOUR RESIGNATION IN TODAY BECAUSE YOU DON'T DO NOTHING -- YOU AIN'T DID NOTHING FOR THE PEOPLE. STILL PEOPLE UP THERE FOR -- EVEN MR. -- MR. O'CHARLIE IN THE BUCKHORNER A. THE BUCKHORNER A. AND STILL DOING UP THERE. WHAT YOU DID FOR THE PEOPLE? WHAT DID YOU DO FOR THE PEOPLE? ALL OF YOU ALL NEED TO RESIGN AND LET'S START OVER. LET'S START OVER. >> THANK YOU FOR COMMENTS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS. THANK YOU, SIR. >> NO MORE PUBLIC SPEAKERS AT THIS TIME. >>ORLANDO GUDES: HOW MANY REGISTERED DO WE HAVE. ONE? LET'S HEAR IT. >> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR. THE FIRST REGISTERED IS STEPHANIE POYNOR. IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE, UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. >> GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN. THANK YOU ALL FOR SERVING OUR CITY. I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOU. MY NAME IS STEPHANIE POYNOR. CAN YOU HEAR ME? GUDES I CAN HEAR YOU. >> MY NAME IS STEPHANIE POYNOR AND WHAT YOU TOOK OFF IT IS POSTPONED. I WANT TO PEAK OF A PR ISSUE I HAVE RECOGNIZED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. IN NEARLY TWO YEARS I HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH STOP OVERBUILDING, SOG. ONE THING HAS REALLY BOTHERED ME. THEY THINK THAT YOU DON'T CARE. WHY DO THEY THINK THAT? YOU DON'T RESPOND TO ANY E-MAILS OF QUASI JUDICIAL MATTERS. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. I WAS PUT OFF BY COUNCILMAN CITRO WHEN COUNCILMAN CITRO TOLD ME HE COULDN'T TALK TO ME OF A DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET WITH ME WHILE WE WERE IN A VETERANS TREATMENT EVENT. SOMETHING ABOUT EX-PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. I HAD NO CLUE WHAT THAT WAS. I HAVE LEARNED ABOUT THE TWO ROLES OF CITY COUNCIL. I UNDERSTAND IT. BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER FOLKS WHO DO NOT GET IT. THEY THINK THEIR IGNORING THEM. THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE MISCONCEPTION TO REMEDY. I WOULD ADD THAT IT COULD EASILY BE ADDRESSED OF AN HOUR OR SO OF YOUR TIME. A SHORT VIDEO THAT CAN BE POSTED BOTH BEFORE AND AFTER CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS AND DURING YOUR BREAKS IN THE VIDEO FEED. I SAW A VIDEO OF THE MAYOR LAST WEEK DURING THE VIDEO FEED AND HER RUNNING AROUND TOWN WITH SOME STATUES. SO WHY CAN'T YOU GUYS EDUCATE DURING THAT TIME A SHORT MINUTE-LONG VIDEO. A ONE-PAGE FLIER OF SOME SORT THAT MAKES THIS IS A SIMPLE STATEMENT TO UNDERSTAND. PARTICIPATION INOVERNMENT IS INTIMIDATING FOR MANY. A VOTE OTHER STEPS UP TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOU SHOULD NEVER FEEL IGNORED. I ASK A COUNCIL ASSISTANT WITH SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE SUBJECT THIS WEEK. SHE FORWARDED ME MR. SHELBY'S INFORMATION. I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR MR. SHELBY, BUT IT WAS SIX PAGES OF LEGALESE THAT I AM NOT -- I AM NO GOING TO READ IT, I AM SORRY. IF I AM NOT GOING TO READ IT AND I AM TELLING YOU THE TRUTH ABOUT IT, I THINK OTHER PEOPLE ARE LESS LIKELY TO READ IT THAN I AM. IN SHORT, THE PEOPLE NEED A SHORT, SWEET, EXPLANATION OF WHY YOU CAN'T REPLY TO QUASI JUDICIAL INQUIRIES AND E-MAILS. JUST THAT SIMPLE. IT IS A PUBLIC RELATIONS THING FOR YOU GUYS AND I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR ALL OF YOU AND I HATE IT THAT PEOPLE TALK BAD ABOUT YOU BECAUSE THEY DON'T HEAR BACK FROM YOU. HAVE A GOOD DAY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU SO MUCH. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY. >>CLERK: -- SOMEONE WAS LOGGED IN AND HAD TO LOG OFF. THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD SAY -- ANYBODY WHO WANTED TO MAKE A STATEMENT AT THE END OF PUBLIC COMMENT. NOW IS THE TIME IF YOU WISH TO DO THAT. LET ME SAY TWO POINTS. MISS POYNOR IS CORRECT. COMMUNICATION IS BAD. THIS COUNCIL HAS NO COMMUNICATION DIRECTOR TO COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC, THE ADMINISTRATION HAS ALL THE TOOLS TO DO THAT. AND I THINK SHE IS 100% RIGHT. IF PEOPLE ARE INFORMED AND KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON, THEN THEY WON'T MAKE THESE KIND OF COMMENTS DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. IF THE COUNCIL HAS A COMMUNICATIL WHAT WE ARE DOING IN OUR DISTRICT SO PEOPLE CAN SEE AND KNOW. THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS SOMEONE THAT CONSTANTLY PUT OUT INFORMATION. WE DON'T HAVE THAT. WE ARE LONE RANGERS. WE HAVE AIDE CIRCUMSTANCES BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY SKILLS. WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS TO A LOT OF THIS STUFF. I TAKE YOUR POINT WELL -- WELL TO HEART. I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THIS COUNCIL AND WE NEED TO LOOK INTO, BECAUSE WE NEED BETTER COMMUNICATION TO THE PUBLIC ON OUR -- IN OUR HOUSE. AND WE NEED A COMMUNICATION PERSON FOR OUR HOUSE TO GET A MESSAGE OUT F OUR DISTRICT AND WHAT WE ARE DOING. WE ARE PART OF THE CITY AND PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING AND HOW THE RULES AND HOW COUNCIL OPERATES. NOT HOW THE ADMINISTRATION, BUT HOW COUNCIL OPERATES ITS HOUSE AND WHAT ARE OUR DO'S AND DO DON'TS SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND OUR ROLE. A LOT OF PEOPLE UNDERSTAND OUR ROLE. WITH THE HOMELESS OPINION I SYMPATHIZE. WE WENT OUT WHAT WE CALL THE SHELTER LOOKING AT OPTIONS. WE UNDERSTAND IT IS A CRISIS. EVERY DAY I GET TO THIS MICROPHONE I TALK ABOUT HOU HOUSING. EVERY DAY I HAVE A CHANCE. THERE IS A CRISIS. THERE IS A NEED. WE UNDERSTAND IT. AGAIN TWO POINTS TODAY THAT I THINK ARE VERY, VERY SERIOUS AND I HOPE THE ADMINISTRATION IS LISTENING AND WE NEED A PERSON WHO CAN COMMUNICATE OUR MESSAGE AS WELL AS THE MAYOR'S MESSAGE FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA. WITH THAT, MR. SHELBY, WE WILL GO TO ITEM 64, SIR. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, SIR. ITEM 64 FIRST. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE HER. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DEAL WITH THIS NOW. >>MARTIN SHELBY: SORRY? GUDES WE ARE READY, 64. >>MARTIN SHELBY: A SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE. SO THE QUESTION IS, IF YOU WISH TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THIS TIME, YOU CAN OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO MOVED. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER HAS OPENED. SECOND WHICH CITRO. ALL IN FAVOR. OPPOSED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: PUBLIC COMMENT -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO DO A PRESENTATION PR PRIOR. YOUR CALL. PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST? >>ORLANDO GUDES: PUBLIC COMMENT. >> THE FIRST SPEAKER IS MICHELLE KINOYER. MICHELLE, IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE, UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> KINOYEV CORRECT. THANK YOU FOR TAKING MY COM COMMENT. I ARRIVED AT 3102 TERRA GROVE DRIVE IN TAMPA. I AM SPEAKING OUT OF CITY COUNCIL PUTTING MORE REPLACEMENTS. NOT ONLY WILL RESULT IN MORE OVERSIGHT OF ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT WILL ALSO ENSURE THAT THE CRB IS MORE INDEPENDENT AND REFLECTIVE OF THE TAMPA COMMUNITY. I AM ALSO URGING THE CITY COUNCIL TO ALLOW THE CRB TO APPOINT AND MAINTAIN ITS OWN INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY. CURRENTLY THE CRB SHARES AN ATTORNEY WITH CITY OF TAMPA ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WITH YOU TO BE COMPLETELY INDEPENDENT FOR A CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD THAT IS ACCOUNTABLE TO THE COMMUNI. OUR ATTORNEY SHOULD HAVE POWER. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE CITY COUNCIL WHO VOTED FOR AN INDEPENDENT CRB AND MORE INDEPENDENCE AND OVERSIGHT OF THE TAMPA IMPLEMENT IN ORDER. AND I AM ASKING FOR ALL CITY COUNCILMEMBERS TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THESE CHANGES TO THE WAY MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED. THANK YOU, AGAIN, FOR LISTENING TO MY INPUT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. >> THE NEXT SPEAKER IS CHRIS RICANEL. IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SP SPEAK. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THE SERVICE OF THE BRAVE MEN HONORED BY CHAIRMAN GUDES EARLIER WAS CELEBRATED BY THIS COUNCIL. AFTER WORLD WAR II AND KOREA, THE FATHER AND GRANDFATHER OF THE SAME SERVICEMEN RETURNED TO A NATION THEY WERE BRUTALIZED BY POLICE IN THE ENFORCEMENT OF JIM CROW LAWS AND CIVIL RIGHT PROTESTS AGAINST BRUTALITY. HERE WE ARE IN NEW MILLENNIUM AND NEW CENTURY TO FIGHT CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS. I FIND THE WORDS OF THIS COUNCIL TO BE HOLLOW SENTIMENTS IF YOU CAN'T NOT HAVE COURAGE TO STAND UP TO AN ADMINISTRATION OF POLICE CHIEF AND MAYOR COVERING FOR ABUSE AND RACISM BY OFFICERS UNDER THEIR COMMAND. THIS IS NOT A TIME FOR COMPROMISE. BECAUSE THIS IS A TIME OF CONFLICT. FOR YOU ALL, THIS IS NOTHING BUT A BATTLE IN THE COURTS, BUT FOR THOSE BRUTALIZED BY UNETHICAL AND RACIST COPS, THEY FEEL A STING OF THIS BATTLE ON THE STREETS A YOUR OWN FAMILY. WHEN YOU WERE VOTED INTO THE SEATS BY THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA, THEY WERE EXPECTING CERTAIN RESULTS. IF YOU FAILED TO DELIVER THOSE RESULTS AND FAILED TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF CORRECT COPS, THE PEOPLE WHO NEEDED TO PROTECT THEMSELVES PERSONALLY AND POLITICALLY, BALANCE WILL BE CAST, POLITICAL CAREERS CHANGED FOR EVER. BALLOTS MUST BE CAST BECAUSE BULLETS ARE BEING SHOT AT PEOPLE TASERS CLUBS CHOKEHOLDS, FALSE ARRESTS AND CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS ARE TOO MANY THAT MANY TAMPAIAN S FACE OF THOSE WHO SWORN TO PROTECT THEM. GENTLEMEN, WILL YOU TAKE A MORAL STAND AND NOT WATER DOWN THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THIS CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD BY THE PEOPLE. IT IS HIGH TIME THE PEOPLE HAVE A MAJORITY OF VOICES ON A BOARD MEANT TO HOLD THE WORST CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATORS ACCOUNTABLE. YOU WANT TO DO RIGHT BY THE PEOPLE YOU SAID IT IN YOUR OWN SENTIMENTS AND WORDS. DO NOT WATER DOWN THE CRB PROPOSAL. ENSURE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WHO WAS ELECTED FOR THE PEOPLE AND BY THE PEOPLE HAVE THE MAJORITY OF APPOINTMENTS AND THAT THE BOARD ITSELF CAN HOLD TO THOSE WHO PROTECT THEM. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. >>CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER IS KELLY BENJAMIN. KELLY, IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE, PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. >> HELLO, CAN YOU HEAR ME? >>ORLANDO GUDES: I CAN HEAR YOU SIR. >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST WISH A VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY, A WORKING BIRTHDAY, TO COUNCILMAN CITRO. WE ARE ONE DAY APART, SIR. MINE IS TOMORROW. I WANTED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE SECOND READING OF THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD ORDINANCE THAT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING. WE STARTED THIS PROCESS SIX YEARS AGO. AND WE HAVE MADE QUITE A BIT OF PROGRESS IN RECENT MONTHS, PARTICULARLY SINCE COUNCILMAN GUDES SUGGESTED REVAMPING TO ACTUALLY PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY A VOICE IN THEAY OF POLICE AND TOOL AND MECHANISM TO HAVE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY IN REVIEWING CASES AND THE ABILITY TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND -- AND REALLY, YOU KNOW, HAVE A SAY IN THE WAY THINGS ARE DONE AND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY OF TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE COMMUNITY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: DID WE LOSE HIM. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HE IS OUT OF TOWN. I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE LOST HIM. MAYBE HE WILL CALL BACK IN. >>CLERK: MR. BENJAMIN, ARE YOU ON THE LINE? >> I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS SOME PUSH BACK FROM MAYOR JANE CASTOR, AND I THINK A LITTLE BIT OF ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM THAT THERE IS -- THERE IS AN INDEPENDENT REVIEW BOARD SET UP TO PROVIDE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY AND SOME OVERSIGHT, BUT THE -- YOU KNOW, MAYOR CASTOR, THE FORMER POLICE CHIEF, DOESN'T WANT TO ALLOW THE COUNCIL TO HAVE THAT MANY APPOINTMENTS. AND I THINK THAT IS A REAL ISSUE CONSIDERING THE HISTORY WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE DOCUMENTED REGARDING A HISTORY, A LONG-STANDING HISTORY OF RACIST PRACTICES THAT THEY WERE DOCUMENTED, THAT THE TAMPA BAY TIMES EXPOSED AND THAT WERE HAPPENING DAILY. BASED ON THE COLOR OF PEOPLE'S SKIN, UNDER THE CURRENT MAYOR'S WATCH AS POLICE CHIEF. I THINK IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT AND I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD BE. THAT SHOULD BE FOREMOST IN PEOPLE'S MINDS AS THEY MAKE THIS IMPORTANT VOTE. TODAY ON THE SECOND READING OF THIS ORDINANCE. IF THIS COUNCIL DECIDES TO GO WITH THIS COMPROMISE, WHERE THERE IS A SPLIT IN APPO APPOINTMENTS, IT IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE A -- A REVIEW BOARD WITH A LACK OF CREDIBILITY FOR THIS COMMUNITY. AND WE WILL NOT HAVE ANYTHING CLOSE TO WHAT WAS INTENDED AND CLOSE TO WHAT OTHER ACROSS FLORIDA HAVE REGARDING, YOU KNOW, THE -- A WAY THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN, YOU KNOW, FEEL COMFORTABLE IN KNOWING THAT THEY HAVE A TOOL TO USE TO REVIEW CASES AND UNDERSTAND WHAT -- THE DOCUMENTS THAT -- THAT HAPPEN. SO MY -- MY URGING FOR EVERYONE HERE I HAVE MY DAUGHTER WITH ME -- PLEASE FOR THE SECOND READING CONTINUE TO -- TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF THE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE YOU DID LAST MONTH THE COUNCIL DESERVES THESE APPOINTMENTS. >>CLERK: OKAY, NEXT SPEAKER IS MAJ VISA. PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF. AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. >> CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? >> MY NAME IS MATT VISI AND WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A WELL-ROUNDED PERSPECTIVE OF AN ATTORNEY AND RESIDENTS OF THE CITY THE LAST 14 YEARS. OVER THE LAST DECADE I HELPED PROSECUTE PEOPLE AND I HAVE BEEN A VICTIM OF THE CRIME AND I APPRECIATE THE IMPORTANCE OF POLICE AND THE UNIQUE CHALLENGE OF THEIR JOB. HOWEVER, I ALSO HAVE BEEN A PUBLIC OFFENDER AND I HAVE BEEN UNLAWFULLY ARRESTED AND PAID A HANDSOME SETTLEMENT BY THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. AS A I HAVE BEEN THREATENED BY COPS AND REPRESENT MY WORDS IN POLICE REPORTS, I HAVE SEEN COUNTLESS EXAMPLES OF MISCONDUCT, A A COP MISUSED HIS POSITION TO LIE ABOUT MY CONDUCT AND HAVE ME SUSPENDED AS REVENGE FOR ME CALLING HIM FOUGHT FOR HIS MISCONDUCT. THE MISCONDUCT WHERE HE PUBLICLY SAID OUT LOUD AND B BRAGGED ABOUT ARRESTING PEOPLE HAVING BAD ATTITUDES WHILE USING ABUSIVE RACIST LANGUAGE. HE IS ON A BRADY LIST, A LIST OF OFFICERS AND WITSNESSES THAT ARE SO BAD THAT THE STATE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS TO DISCLOSE THEIR RECORD FOR LYING AND MISCONDUCT. WE ARE HERE TODAY FOR ONE REASON ARGUING ABOUT THE NUANCES OF THE CRB. MAYOR JANE CASTOR RESENTS THIS CITY COUNCIL, RESENTS THE CITY OF TAMPA AND VALUES LOYALTY OVER TRUTH. OFFICER CASTOR IS INCLUDING HOW AND FIGHTING TO THE DEATH TO MAKE SURE THE MAYOR'S OFFICE GETS THE MAJORITY OF THE APPOINTMENTS ON THE CRB. MAYOR CASTOR SAID PEOPLE WHO VOTE FOR CITY COUNCIL ARE SO AGAINST COPS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE UNJUST MEMBERS. AND SHE WANTS TO BALANCE IT OUT, OF COURSE, WITH PEOPLE EQUALLY BIASED. LOOK, IN -- MANY IN SOME OTHER HYPOTHETICAL DISCUSSION AND BENEVOLENT UNBIASED MAYOR THAT WE CAN ALL INHERENTLY ENTRUST AT THE CRB, GOOD LORD, FOLKS. COMMON SENSE. EVEN PROSECUTORS WILL AGREE A RETIRED POLICE OFFICER SHOULDN'T BE TRUSTED AS A MEMBER OF A CRIMINAL COURT SQUARE WITHOUT TAINTING THE BALANCE OF JUSTICE. I REALIZE THIS ISSUE EMOTIONAL FOR FOLKS BECAUSE SO MANY OF US THAT ARE WRONGED BY POLICE JUSTIFIABLYLY MOTIONAL AND OFFICE IN TENDCE GET EMOTIONAL. PEOPLE GET EMOTIONAL WHEN SOMEONE ACCUSES THEM OF GETTING THEIR JOBS RUN. SET THAT ASIDE AND COMMON SENSE TO AVOID THE APPEARANCE OF IMPROPRIETY. THE OFFICERS OF THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE NOT SUPERIOR TO THE OTHER H HARD-WORKING CITIZENS OF THE CITIZEN. IMAGINE THIS HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION, OUR RETIRED POLICE CHIEF. AND IF THE CITY OF TAMPA WAS ASSEMBLING THE -- >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. >>CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE WILLIAM KILGORE. WILLIAM, IF YOU WERE ON THE LINE, UNMUTE YOURSELF AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. >> HI, THERE, COUNCILMEMBERS. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF ST. PETE COP WATCH TO VOICE MY STRONG SUPPORT FOR THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE TAMPA CRB. I HAVE A LOT OF PERSONAL CONNECTION TO THE CITY OF TA TAMPA. I RE ABOUT THIS COMMUNITY VERY MUCH AS SOMEBODY WHO IS BORN AND RAISED HERE IN THE BAY AREA. I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED IN THE ACTIVITIES OF THE TAXPAYER -- TAXPAYER-FUNDED PARAMILITARY FORCE OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND THE SHAMEFUL LACK OF PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY AND INPUT INTO THEIR ACTIVITIES. LAST YEAR, AFTER THE MURDER OF GEORGE FLOYD, DURING A PROTEST, MY FRIENDS AND I WERE SHOT AT WITH LESS THAN LETHAL PRO PROJECTILES BY TPD OFFICERS WHO WERE GEARED UP TO FACE FOR PEACEFUL PROTESTERS AS IF THEY WERE READY FOR WAR. A PEACEFUL COLUMBUS DAY PROTEST BACK IN OCTOBER ORGANIZED BY INDIGENOUS ACTIVISTS, MEMBERS OF THE BIKE SQUAD RUSHED THE CROWD TO FOR A LINE BETWEEN DEMONSTRATORS AND THE COLUMBUS MONUMENT ON BAYSHORE. I WAS THERE IN MY CAPACITY AS A BIKE AND THE BIKE SQUAD WERE NOT WEARING NAMEPLATES AND REFUSING TO VERBALLY IDENTIFY SELVES. I FILED A COMPLAINT WITH THE DEPARTMENT THAT RESULTED IN A SMALL SLAP ON THE WRIST, A LETTER OF COUNSELING F THE BIKE SQUAD CORPORAL STRICTLAND WHO TOLD HIS SUBORDER NANCE TO -- SUBORDINATES TO REMOVE THEIR NAMEPLATES. THE PROFESSIONAL STANDARD REPORT REGARDING THE INCIDENT, SERGEANT HORBATH OPENLY DISPARAGED MY GOOD FAITH COMPLAINT SAYING I WAS JUST SHOWING WHAT I WANTED TO SHOW THROUGH THE VIDEO CLIPS AND STILL IMAGES I PROVIDED. HE REPEATED THROUGHOUT THE REPORT THE BASELESS CLAIM THAT PROTESTERS WERE POTENTIALLY GATHERING OFFICER NAMES IN ORDER TO THREAN THR FAMILIES USING THIS AS AN EXCUSE FOR HIS COLLEAGUES' EXTREMELY TROUBLING ACTIONS. MY POINT IS THE TPD PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS BUREAU AND COMPLAINT PROCESS AS A WHOLE IS HEAVILY BIASED AND SLANTED IN FAVOR OF DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL. THE PUBLIC IS ENTITLED TO MEANINGFUL REVIEW OF A CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD THAT CAN PUBLICIZE AND OUTSIDE THE PURR SUNROOF THE THIN BLUE LINE AND NOT FRINGE ACTIVISTS ASKING FOR THIS AS I AM SURE YOU ARE AWARE POLLING BY THE ACLU OF FLORIDA SAY YESTERDAY TAMPA VOTERS OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORT THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE CRB. YOU KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO TODAY. REMEMBER WHO YOUR CONSTITUENTS ARE. REMEMBER WHO VOTED KNEW OFFICE, THE PEOPLE OF TAMPA, NOT THE TAMPA PD. NOT CHIEF DUGAN. NOT FORMER CHIEF JANE CASTOR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. >>CLERK: THE NEXT SPEAKER SHAH RUN SU KA. SHEVAUN IS ON THE LINE. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> HELLO, STEVEN SHUK A AND I WILL GET STRAIGHT TO THE POINT. YOU HAVE AN ORGANIZATION WITH HISTORY AND RECORD LIKE TPD, SOMETHING IS WRONG AND SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE. IN 2015 TO THE INCREASED USE OF FORCE UNDER CHIEF DUGAN HOW TPD CONSISTENTLY LIES TO THE PUBLIC, THE BOTTOM LINE IS THERE IS NO ACCOUNTABILITY AND NO RESPONSIBILITY. TPD SHOULD BE ANSWERING TO THE PUBLIC, NOT TO THEMSELVES. THERE IS A LOT TO BE DONE, BUT THESE REFORMS FOR THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD IS A GREAT PLACE TO START. LET'S BE CLEAR, YOU CAN NOT EXPECT THE OUT-OF-CONTROL FORCE TO MONITOR, CONTROL AND DISCIPLINE ITSELF. THE PROFESSIONAL STANDARD BUREAU IS A JOKE. YOU KNOW HOW MANY USE OF FORCE COMPLAINTS THAT TPD HAVE? YOU KNOW HOW MANY OFFICERS HAVE MULTIPLE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST SNEMING WE DON'T BECAUSE NO OVERSIGHT AND THE ENTIRE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS SHIELDED ON PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY AND INSIGHT. THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE AND YOU ALL HAVE THAT POWER. THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD AS A EXISTS RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN CHANGE THAT BY PASSING THIS BILL. LET'S TALK OF THE CRB. THE CRB ISN'T INVESTIGATE THE POLICE UNLESS IT POLICE DEPARTMENT OPENS UP. THEY CAN'T SUBPOENA OFFICERS TO TESTIFY AND CAN'T EVEN DISCIPLINE OFFICERS AND CAN'T IMPLEMENT BASIC POLICY CHANGES. BUT THIS WAS ALL BY DESIGN, RIGHT. THE POLICE ARE SO SCARED OF ANY SORT OF SCRUTINY THEY WILL FIGHT TOOTH AND NAIL OVER THE SMALLEST OF REFORMS. AND THAT IS WHAT THIS IS, A SMALL REFORM. EVERY DAY THAT THE TAMPA POLE DEPARTMENT IS INVOLVED IN THE OPPRESSION OF BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES IN TAMPA. A SIMPLE ACTION WE CAN TAKE TO MAKE TPD SLIGHTLY BETTER AND MORE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PEOPLE IT SERVES. THE MAJORITY OF TAMPA CITIZENS SUPPORT THIS LEGISLATION. YOUR CONSTITUENTS WHO VOTED YOU INTO OFFICE LITERALLY WANT TO YOU PASS THIS. THE ONLY PEOPLE AGAINST THIS ARE THE COPS. LET ME BE AS CLEAR AS I CAN, BLUE LIVES DON'T EXIST. NOT A BLUE FIGHT, A BLUE UNIFORM. BEING A COP IS A JOB. AND JOBS HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY. SO LET'S ALL COME BACK TO REALITY AND MAKE SOME CHANGES. THESE COPS WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO ON THE STREETS AND DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. BEAT PEOPLE, SHOOT PEOPLE, ATTACK PROTESTERS. AT SOME POINT, WE HAVE TO DRAW A LINE IN THE SAND AND RE REVAMPING THE CRB AND SOME ACCOUNTABILITY IS A GREAT PLACE TO START. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. >>CLERK: AIR IS ANGEL DeANGELO AND TIMOTHY WERE REGISTERED SPEAKER AND LOGGED OFF. THAT CONCLUDES REGISTERED SPEAKERS FOR ITEM 64. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. ANYONE ON THE SECOND FLOOR? >> AM I GOOD TO GO. >> YOU ARE GOOD TO GO. >> THANK YOU. HOW IS IT GOING EVERYBODY. ARTURO GONZALEZ. I AM THE CO-SHARE OF THE DEMOCRATIC PROGRESSIVE CAUCUS O TAMPA BAY. I AM REPRESENTING THEM TODAY. IT HAS BEEN A WHILE. I HAVEN'T SEEN Y'ALL. I MISS Y'ALL TOO, IT IS ALL GOOD. SO YEAH. I HAVE SOME NOTES HERE IF YOU CAN GIVE ME A MOMENT. YEAH, SO -- YOU LIKE -- PEOPLE -- PEOPLE ON THE RIGHT, PEOPLE IN THE CENTER, THEY CALL ME A COP HATING ANARCHIST. PEOPLE ON THE LEFT NEOFASCIST APOLOGIST. I AM PROUD TO SAY I AM NEITHER. I AM A DEMOCRAT AND I BELIEVE IN DEMOCRATIC VALUES AND THE CRB THAT SHOULD BE RUN DEMOCRATICALLY. I AM NOT HERE FOR POLITICAL THEATRE. I KNOW HOW THE MAKE-UP OF THIS CRB IS GOING TO BE. FIVE VOTES TO THE MAYOR'S OFFICE. FIVE VOTES TO THE CITY COUNCIL, AND THEN ONE VOTE MIGHT GO TO A SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATION, POSSIBLY THE NAACP. UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS STILL A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. COUNCILMAN GUDES. I DON'T MEAN TO IMPLY IMPROPRIETY. COUNCILMAN GUDES USED TO BE A POLICE OFFICER. THAT IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. THE MAYOR'S OFFICE IF THEY VOTE A CERTAIN WAY, YOU WILL PROBABLY BE CLIN TO VOTE THAT WAY. COUNCILMAN VIERA, YOU KNOW, WE ARE FRIENDS. WE HAVE A RAPPORT. BUT YOU SHOW UNWAVERING SUPPORT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND I BELIEVE NO INSTITUTION SHOULD DESERVE UNWAVERING SUPPORT. INSTITUTIONS THAT WE PAY FOR WITH OUR TAX MONEY NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE WHEN THEY DO WRONG. THE POINT OF THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD. COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER, I THINK YOU WERE CALL TAKING MONEY FROM THE PRISON INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX AND HAD TO GIVE IT BACK. THESE ARE CONFLICT OF INTERESTS. THE TIE BREAKER VOTE FOR THE NAACP IS NOMINAL, SIM BOIC. IT DOESN'T MEAN -- SIM BOIC, IT DOESN'T MEAN MUCH. WE NEED SUBPOENA POWERS, GETGATION POWERS THAT ARE ABLE TO HOLD OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. I AM NOT SAYING THIS AS AN AIST COP HATER BUT AS SOMEONE WHO BELIEVES IN DEMOCRACY. I WANT A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT LIVES TO THE MAN PRACTICE PROTECT AND SERVE. WE NEED THAT. WE NEED POLICE DEPARTMENTS THAT ACTUALLY WORK WITH OUR COMMUNITIES. T AS WE SEEN LAST YEAR AT THE PROTESTS, BLACK PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY BLACK PEOPLE, BROWN PEOPLE, LATINO PEOPLE, INDIGENOUS PEOPLE ARE STILL SUFFERING FROM DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICES FROM POLICE POLICE DEPARTMENTS. UNTIL THAT CHANGES, UNTIL THE INSTITUTION OF POLICE SOMETHING HELD ACCOUNTABLE, NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE. SO WE NEED A CRB WITH TEETH, WITH POWER THAT ACTUALLY HOLDS THE POLICE DEPARTMENTS ACCOUNTABLE AND THAT DOES THEIR JOB. WHAT ELSE DO I GOT? YEAH, AND THE MAYOR GETTING FIVE NOMINEES IS JUST RIDICULOUS. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. WE NEED TO HAVE A MORE EVEN SPREAD. AND, YEAH, THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE A GREAT DAY. I AM GOING TO CLASS. GETTING STRAIGHT As IS HARD WORK. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SIR, SIR. I NEEDED TO CLARIFY. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT A CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, MA'AM. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS TIFFANY HILTON. I AM BORN AND RAISED IN. THE FIRST TIME I CAME HERE TO SPEAK TO YOU GUYS WITH THE CRB, I WAS A FIRST YEAR IN LAW SCHOOL. NOW I AM GOING INTO ANY THIRD YEAR, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN MAKE ONE LITTLE CHANGE AT LEAST BEFORE I RETIRE FROM THE PRACTICE OF LAW. MY FRIENDS AND I HAVE COME BEFORE YOU FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW TO EXPLAIN WHY WE NEED A STRENGTHENED CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD AND HOW WE CAN DO THAT. TODAY I BRING A DIFFERENT MESSAGE TO YOU. I WANT TO YOU KNOW THAT WE VOTED FOR YOU. AND WE TRUST YOU. LAST MONTH, YOU ALL VOTED OVERWHELMINGLY TO CHANGE THE NUMBER OF APPOINTMENTS THAT THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL GETS TO MAKE. NOW THIS VOTE DIDN'T REPRESENT THE SWEEPING CHANGES IN REFORMS WE ALL HOPE TO EVENTUALLY ACHIEVE BUT IT IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. THANK YOU TO THE MEMBERS WHO VOTED IN FAVOR OF THIS. A PUBLIC POLICY POLLING SURVEY SHOW THAT 85% OF INDEPENDENT VOTERS DON'T SUPPORT A SINGLE PERSON APPOINTING THE MAJORITY OF THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD. 78% OF DEMOCRATS AND 64% OF REPUBLANS SO AGREE. THE CITY COUNCIL HAVING SEVEN APPOINTMENTS AND THE MAYOR HAVING FOUR STILL ISN'T FAIR AND BALANCED BECAUSE THE MAYOR IS ONE PERSON, SO WHY SHOULD SHE GET FOUR IF EACH OF YOU ONLY GET ONE. BUT A STEP TOWARD SHOWING YOUR CONSTITUENTS THAT YOU WON'T ALLOW THE POLICE TO RUN THE CITY OF TAMPA. AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. THAT BEING SAID, I WAS VERY DISCOURAGED BY YOUR MEETING THIS PAST MONDAY. I WANT TO ADDRESS SOME THINGS THAT I HEARD. FIRST, THANK YOU, MR. CARLSON, FOR ACKNOWLEDGING THAT SUBPOENA POWER WASN'T MENTIONED IN THE LAST MEETING. YETT BECAME THE HEADLINE EVERY LOCAL NEWS STATION RAN WITH DUE TO THE MAYOR'S PRESS CONFERENCE. AS A COUNCIL, YOU HAD TO HAVE SEEN THAT PRESS CONFERENCE AS A SLAP IN THE FACE TO THE TAMPA COMMUNITY. IT WAS DISINGENUOUS AND PERFECTLY ILLUSTRATED WHY WE DON'T TRUST THE MAYOR. I WANT TO BRIEFLY ADDRESS ONE THING ABOUT SUBPOENA POWER TODAY THOUGH. THE ISSUE OF HOW WILL A PRIVATE CITIZEN AVOID A SUBPOENA CAME UP ON MONDAY. REIVING A SUBPOENA IS SIKE WOMAN NEWS OF BEING EXECUTED. IF SOMEONE COMES RIGHT UP AND PUNCHES ME IN THE FACE, YOU WILL ALL BE SUBPOENAED FOR BEING WITNESSES TO THIS. YOU SHOW UP. SAY WHAT HAPPENED. AND MAYBE BRING SOME DOCUMENTS. THIS NARRATIVE THAT A SUBPOENA IS WORSE THAN DEATH IS RIDICULOUS AND NEEDS TO STOP. CITY ATTORNEY GINA GRIMES MADE THE STATEMENT HE DOESN'T LIKE THE TERM "INDEPENDENT ATT ATTORNEY"BECAUSE ALL ATTORNEYS ARE INDEPENDENT UNDER THE RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT. SHE DIDN'T MENTION THAT ATTORNEYS FIRST AND FOREMOST HAVE A DUTY TO THEIR CLIENTS. THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN'T SAY NEGATIVE THINGS OF THE CITY BECAUSE VIOLATION OF THE RULES OF PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT. TO SAY OTHERWISE IS AN ATTEMPT TO PURPOSELY MISLEAD OUR CITIZENS WHICH LUCKI FOR THEM NEVER BEEN TO LAW SCHOOL. MR. VIERA YOU MENTIONED A LEGAL FIGHT OVER THIS ORDINANCE. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, OF COURSE THERE IS, OUR MAYOR IS THE FORMER CHIEF OF POLICE, SHE IS THE EMBODIMENT OF THE THIN BLUE LINE. WE VOTED FOR YOU TO FIGHT OUR POLITICAL BATTLES NOT TO RUN FROM THEM. THERE IS NO PLIT OVERSIGHT MEASURES THAT ARE NOT GOING TO BE MET WITH ADVERSITY BY THE FORMER CHIEF OF POLICE. MR. GUDES, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS AND DO WE REALLY WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY ON THIS? I'M HERE AS YOUR CONSTITUENT BEGGING TO YOU DO SO. I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN AND EFFORT ABOUT THE HOUSING CR CRISIS, BUT PEOPLE ARE DYING ON THE STREETS ON THE HAND OF THE SWORN OFFICERS AND WE GOT TO STOP THAT. MAYOR BUCKHORN'S RACIST -- >>ORLANDO GUDES: MA'AM, MA'AM. YOUR THREE MINUTES ARE UP. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY DOWN THERE TELLING THEM WHEN THEIR TIME IS UP. >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCI COUNCILMEMBERS. I AM JENNIFER HART A PROUD PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHER HERE IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND CURRENTLY THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE DEMOCRATIC PROGRESSIVE CAUCUS OF TAMPA BAY. I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY IN SUPPORT OF A STRONG CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD IN TAMPA. I AM A PUBLIC SERVANT WITH A IMPORTANT JOB AND I AM HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR MY STUDENTS' LEARNING OUTCOME. EXPECTED TO SHOW WITH VARIOUS ASSESSMENTS THAT MY STUDENTS MADE GAINS AND MET LEARNING BENCHMARK AND THE EXPECTATION OF MY PROFESSION. I WORK FOR THE PUBLIC AND THEY TOLD ME -- HOLD ME RESPONSIBILITY. IT IS AN INCREDIBLE IMPORTANT RESPONSIBILITY, LIVES ARE NOT ON THE LINES AS IT IS WITH BEING A POLICE OFFICER. IT IS A FAIR EXPECTATION WHEN YOU BECOME A PLIC RVAN TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PUBLIC THAT YOU SERVE AND THAT IS A FUNCTION OF AT CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD. WHEN LIVES AND JUSTICE ARE ON THE LINE, IT IS REASONABLE TO BE EXPECTED TO BE HELD TO THE HIGHEST STANDARDS; HOWEVER, THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD OR PEOPLE APPOINTED TO THIS ARE APPOINTED BY ONE ENTITY THE MAYOR IS NOT A REVIEW BOARD REFLECTIVE OF THE COMMUNITY. I'M HERE TO ASK YOU TO STAND UP FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE WAS A COMPROMISE FOR THE COMMUNITY AS IT DID NOT INCLUDE SUBPOENA POWERS AND INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY THAT OTHER RIGHTS THAT CRBs HAVE AND REVISED OUR CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD SO THAT YOU ALL AND THE NAACP HAD THE MAJORITY OF APPOINTMENTS INSTEAD OF MAYOR THAT ONLY MAKES SENSE. CRB IS A CHECKS AND BALANCES SYSTEM AND ALL IMPORTANT OFFICERS AND SERVANTS SHOULD BE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PUBLIC THEY REPRESENT. THAT IS HOW DEMOCRACY WORKS. NOW THIS ORDINANCE TO IMPROVE OUR CRB TO MAKE IT TRULY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PUBLIC AND NOT JUST THE MAYOR'S OFFICE HAVE BEEN COMPROMISED AND COMPROMISED AT THE MAYOR HAVING MAJORITY OF APPOINTMENTS SO REALLY WHAT IS THE POINT. I AM ASKING TO YOU MAKE A STAND AND AGAIN PASS BECAUSE YOU ALREADY PASS THIS ONCE, TO PASS THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE OF MOVING TOWARD A REAL CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD IN TAMPA THAT THE ACLU RECOMMENDS. WE CAN NOT COMPROMISE ON DEMOCRACY AND JUSTICE. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: STATE YOUR NAME MAN. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: GO AHEAD, YVETTE. >> YVETTE LEWIS, PRESIDENT OF THE NAACP, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY BRANCH, THE OLDEST AND THE BADDEST CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION IN THE AMERICA. THE NAACP. THE MISSION FOR THE NAACP IS TO ENSURE THE POLITICAL, EDUCATIONAL SOCIAL ECONOMIC EQUALITY FOR ALL CITIZENS. ACHIEVE EQUALITY OF RIGHTS, ELIMINATE RACE, PREJUDICE AMONG THE CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES. REMOVE ALL BARRIERS OF RACIAL DISCRIMINATION THROUGH DEMOCRATIC PROCESS. SEEK ENACTMENT OF ENFORCEMENT OF FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL L LAWS ENSURING CIVIL RIGHTS. INFORM THE PUBLIC OF ADVERSE EFFECTS OF RACIAL DISCRIMINATION AND TO SEEK ITS ELIMINATION. THE NAACP HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY BRANCH ESTABLISHED WELL OVER 100 YEARS HERE. I'M HERE TO ASK YOU THAT THE NAACP HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY BRANCH HAVE A SEAT ON THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD. THE NAACP FLORIDA STATE CONFERENCE AND THE NATIONAL NAACP IS CURRENTLY WATCHING THE CITY OF TAMPA. WE DID NOT ASK FOR -- WE DID NOT ASK FOR -- WHILE BLACK. IT DID NOT START WITH US. AT THIS COUNCIL AS STATED IN OUR MISSION, WE WILL CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE, AGITATE, AND EDUCATE THE COMMUNITY. ONE THING I ALWAYS SAY, DON'T TAKE IT PERSONAL. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. CONNIE BURTON, CITIZEN. I RISE TO INFORM YOU THAT THIS GENERATION IS COMMITTED TO ENDING AND KILLING EVERY FORM OF JIM CROW THAT WE SEE MOVING AROUND. THAT WOULD INCLUDE ANY TIME OF ATTITUDE OF PERSONS IN POWER THATHINK THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL THE OPPRESSED HOW TO SPEAK REGARDING THEIR OPPRESSION. I WILL CAUTION COUNCILMEN TO ONLY CHEER OR CELEBRATE IF YOU WERE FORTUNATE IN WINNING THE NEXT ELECTION. THE CRB BOARD AND THE GROUP THAT HAS WORKED DILIGENTLY TO BRING SOME BALANCE IN THIS CITY IS, AGAIN, WATCHING CITY LEADERS CHANGE THE GAME. WE SAY BE COMMITTED TO TRUST AND WE FIND OUT TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT WE CAN NOT TRUST Y YOU. SO A 7-4 SPLIT WITH EACH OF YOU BRINGING SOMEONE FORTH THAT CAN REPRESENT THE INTEREST OF A CITIZEN THAT COULD LISTEN TO STORIES. THAT COULD LISTEN TO COMPLAINTS AND CONCERNS THAT ORDINARY CITIZENS BRING ABOUT, U RU FROM THAT POSITION. NOW IN THE HANDS OF GIVING GREATER POWER TO THE MAYOR WHO IS THE POLICE, YOU CAN CONCEDE YOUR POWER. BUT FURTHER CONCEDE YOUR POWER BY SAYING THAT THE OLDEST, SOMETIMES FEARED, SOMETIMES HATED ORGANIZATION THAT HAS OVER 100 YEARS OF BEING THE VERY FIRST RESPONDERS TO THE OPPRESSED DO NOT DESERVE A SEAT ON THAT BOARD. WHAT DO THAT TELL US ABOUT YOU? WHAT DOES THAT TELL US ABOUT THIS MAYOR AND THIS CITY THAT CONTINUES PROCLAIM TO BE PROGRESSIVE, BUT BY NO MEANS IS. WE ARE SEEING THAT ALTHOUGH THE CRB BOARD WAS WAS NOT PERFECT, BUT WE WAS WILLING TO MOVE FORWARD. WE ARE NOW DEMANDING THAT THE FIRST READ IS IMPLEMENTED. AND IF YOU HAVE COURAGE AND SAY THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTRY THAT PEOPLE ARE STILL CRYING OUT AGAINST POLICE ASE, U WOD SAY IF WOULD YOU USE YOUR POWER TO ENSURE THE CITIZENS WERE GETTING THEIR GREATEST PROTECTION. TO DO OTHERWISE MIGHT MEAN YOUR POLITICAL DEMISE. >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. JARVIS ELEMN. I WOULD LE TO SAY TO THE CITY COUNCILMEN, I WANT TO YOU THINK BACK A COUPLE OF YEARS WHEN EVERYBODY WAS RUNNING. ALL OF THE GOOD PLEASANTRIES THAT YOU ALL SAID. NOW YOU GOT TO PUT THAT INTO ACTION. REALLY IT IS A SHAME FOR GOD THAT YOU HAVE A FORMER POLICE CHIEF AS THE MAYOR THAT THINK IT IS ALL RIGHT TO HAVE FIVE MEMBERS ON A CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD -- OPERATIVE WORD BEING "CITIZEN" TO DEAL WITH POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY. THIS IS THE SAME MAYOR THAT WAS THE POLICE CHI WHEN THE -- NOW GIVE THIS FORMER POLICE CHIEF FIVE APPOINTMENTS FOR A BOARD THAT WILL DO OVERSIGHT FOR POLICE MISCONDUCT AND POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY. THINK ABOUT THAT NOW. THAT DON'T MAKE SENSE. IT DON'T MAKE NO SENSE AT ALL. NUMBER ONE, THE BOARD AIN'T GOING TO HAVE REAL POWER LIKE THE LADY SAID BEFORE ME. THE WORD SUBPOENA. SUBPOENA INTO A JUDICIAL PROCESS AND HOLD POLICE ACCOUNTABLE FOR BRUTALITY AND MISCONDUCT. THE WATER DOWN BOARD, GIVE A FORMER POLICE CHIEF WHO IS THE MAYOR NOW, FIVE APPOINTEES AND CITY COUNCIL GET THE OLDEST, CIVIL RIGHTS. AND EVERYBODY WHO IS BLACK, YOU BETTER WITH THE NAACP. IN THE 1800s WHEN YOU WERE GETTING LYNCHED. WHITE PEOPLE WERLYNCNG PEOPLE AND SHOWING THEIR CHILDREN ALL -- AND GOING TO HAVE PICNICS WATCHING BLACK PEOPLE BEING LYNCHED. IT WAS THE NAACP THAT STOOD STRONG FOR OUR PEOPLE. AND IT IS A NAACP RALLY RIGHT HERE. WE SUPPORT THE NAACP. WE SUPPORT PRESIDENT LEWIS. WE SUPPORT SISTER CONNIE BU BURTON. ALL MEMBERS OF THE NAACP MUST DEMAND TO BE ON THE TABLE AND A SHAME THAT YOU EVEN THINKING ABOUT TAKING US OFF THE TABLE DON'T USE TRICKERY WE WANT A CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATON AND KEEP IT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. NO, IT WAS TAMPA JUSTICE LED BY THE NAACP THAT WAS ADDRESSING THE POLICE THAT LED US TO THE CRB BOARD RIGHT NOW. LOOKING IN THE PUBLIC. WHEN THEY COME UP TO YOUR CHURCH AND SOME PEOPLE ALREADY KNOW -- SIGN UP FOR REELECTION. REMEMBER THIS DAY BECAUSE TING HAS CONSEQUENCES AND WE SHOULD REMEMBER YOU AND REMEMBER THAT THE MAYOR GOT TO RUN. THE CITY COUNCIL GOT TO RUN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU FOR COMING. >> LISTEN WHAT I AM SAYING TO YOU. MAKE A GOOD DECISION. GUDES GUDES HOW MANY MORE SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE, SIR? >> MENTESNOT. CHECK THIOUT. FIRST AND FOREMOST, WHAT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IS, THEY ALWAYS PLAY AFRICAN PEOPLE LIKE WE ARE IGNORANT. THEY SEE THE BLACK SKIN, THEY KNOW THEY CAN TREAT YOU A CERTAIN WAY. THEY HEAR YOUR BLACK VOICE. EBONICALLY SPEAKING AND CORRECT OR INCORRECT, THEY KNOW THAT IT IS A BLACK VOICE AND THEY CAN TREAT YOU A CERTAIN WAY. THIS CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO STAND UP. THEY ALWAYS TELL TO YOU ADDRESS THE BOARD AND THEY CAN'T SPEAK BACK AND ALL THIS AND REPRESENT ONE ANOTHER. WHEN I FIRST CAME UP TO SPEAK, TALKING BACK LIKE LITTLE CHILDREN, OH YOU THIS AND THIS. QUITE NATURALLY THEY NEED TO PROTECT. ONE SAYING ABOUT THE OTHER, THE OTHER PEOPLE CALLING PEOPLE THUGS BECAUSE WE ARE STANDING UP FOR OUR RIGHTS. THEY GOT TO PROTECT ONE ANOTHER. THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO. BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THEY PLAY AFRICAN PEOPLE LIKE WE ARE IGNORANT. BEFORE WHEN THE POLICE USED TO BEAT YOU AND BEAT WITH YOU FLASHLIGHTS AND HANDCUFF YOU AND KICK YOU AND HOG-TIE YOU AND MURDER YOU. WHAT DID WE HAVE TO DO, WE HAD TO GO DOWN TO THE INTNAL REVIEW. WE HAD TO GO DOWN TO INTERNAL AFFAIRS AND COMPLAIN TO THE CAME WHITE PEOPLE THAT WERE BRUTALIZING YOU. AND THEY TELL YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT THE CASE AFTER YOU FILE COMPLAINT. SO THEY PUT A GAG ORDER ON YOU. NOW THEY ARE SAYING THEY DON'T WANT NO SUBPOENA POWER. YOU ARE TRYING TO PLAY US BLACK PEOPLE THAT W ARE STUPID. WE ARE NOT STUPID. 62 1 YEARS WE HAVE BEEN SURVIVING THIS. WE ARE NOT STUPID. WE ARE SURVIVORS. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO IS GET A MILLION DOLLAR POLICY FOR ANYBODY THAT HAS BEEN MURDERED BY THE POLICE. AND ALSO MAKE RETROACTIVE. WATCH HOW FAST THOSE KILLERS. HALF MILLION POLICY FOR ANYBODY BRUTEIZED BY THE POLICE. RIGHT OR WRONG. THAT IS WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO. THE CRB BOARD HAS TO HAVE SOME TEETH IN IT. WHEN BLACK LIVES MATTER, THAT IS WHEN YOU SEE A WHOLE WAVE OF THESE LIBERALS, LIBERAL DEMOCRATS SITTING RIGHT IN OFFICE RIGHT NOW. CAME IN THE OFFICE AND NOW THEY ARE TRYING TO GO THE POLICE. THEY ARE TRYING TO GO THE GESTAPO WAY. THE AUTHORITARIAN WAY, OVER W WHO? OVER AFRICAN PEOPLE. ORLANDO GUDES. THESE ARE THE THINGS I AM TALKING ABOUT. THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT AFRICAN PEOPLE NEED AFRICAN PEOPLE TO STAND UP FOR. WE NEED OUR REPRESENTATIVES TO STAND UP FOR US. WE DON'T I NEED OUR REPRESENTATIVES LAIING LAYING DOWN COOPERATING WITH A EX-POLICE CHIEF, NO NO MAYOR OR NONE OF THAT. WE NEED OUR REPRESENTATIVES TO STAND UP FOR US WHAT IS RIGHT. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. WE DON'T NEED ANYTHING ELSE. NOTHING. WE DON'T NEED NO MIDDLE GROUND. WE DON'T NEED COMPROMIS LIKE YOU NEED TO COMPROMISE THIS BOARD. THE NAACP BOARD GIVE YOU YOUR JOB, YOU SAY YOU DON'T WANT THEM AS A REPRESENTATIVE ON THE BOARD. THAT IS A SHAME. MOST DEFINITELY IS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE ON. >> JOE GRECO, TAMPA FIRE FIGHTER PRESIDENT. AS A UNION REPRESENTATIVE THAT REPRESENT THE DISTINGUISHED MEN AND WOMEN OF THE CITY OF TAMPA FIRE DEPARTMENT, FIRE RESCUE, EXCUSE ME, MY EXTREME HONOR TO BACK OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN BLUE. IT IS NOTED SEVERAL TIMES BY OTHER AGENCIES THAT OUR CAMARADERIE AND FELLOWSHIP SHARED BETWEEN THE TWO TEAMS ARE AN EXAMPLE THAT MORE SHOULD FOLLOW. WE ARE CLOSE. WE SUPPORT EACH OTHER. AND WE STAND TOGETHER WIN ONE OF US IS IN NEED. THIS IS HOW I COME TO YOU TODAY. WE WHOHEARTEDLY BACK THE PROPOSALS OF THE COMMUNITY REVIEW BOARD AS SUPPORTED AND PROMOTED BY OUR MAYOR AND THE TAMPA POLICE BENEVOLENCE ASSOCIATION. EVERY DAY WE WITNESS FIRST HAND THE AMAZING AND SEEMINGLY THANKLESS JOB OUR TEAM HERE IN BLUE DOES. THAT IS WHY WE NEED AND DESERVE CLOSURE, A VOTE BACKING THE PROPOSAL GIVES THEM. THEY HAVE MOST DEFINITELY E EARNED IT. WE ARE YOUR FIRST RESPONDERS. IT HAS BEEN A ROUGH YEAR. LET US ALL GET BACK TO DOING WHAT WE LOVE AND DOING WHAT YOU HIRED US TO DO. TO DEFEND AND MAKE A SAFE -- MAKE THIS CITY SAFE AS ONE OF THE GREATEST CITIES IN THE WORLD. THANK YOU. GUDES THANK YOU, SIR. >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCILMEN. DARLA PORTMAN WITH THE TAMPA PAA, THE PRESIDENT. TALK ABOUT THE CRB WE HAVE BEEN DOING FOR A YEAR. THIS IS A NEGOTIATION NEGOTIATION THAT THE UNIONS DO A. WE ALL CAME TOGETHER. WE ALL MADE SACRIFICE AND A WISE MAN TOLD ME WHEN I PAYMENT THE PBA PRESIDENT, WHEN YOU WALK AWAY FROM A NEGOTIATION FEELING A LITTLE UNEASY ABOUT IT, YOU WON. I THINK ALL OF US GOT TOGETHER. WE CAME UP WITH A VERY GOOD SOLUTION WITH THE 5-5-1. BUT I TELL YOU THIS RATHER FROM THE NAACP AS THE ONE, THE ONE WE WORK WITH THE CRB. COPS AND -- WE AREN'T AFRAID OF THE CRB. AND WE ARE GOOD WITH THE CRB. WE CAME TO A REALLY GOOD PROPOSAL IN MAY AND THE NAACP, THE PBA AND THE CITY AND THE MAYOR HAVE ALL AGREED ON THAT ONE. LET'S GO FORWARD WITH THAT. WE ARE GOOD WITH IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING,COUNCI COUNCILMEMBERS, DANNY VALDEZ, TAMPA PBA GENERAL COUNSEL. CLEARLY BY NOW YOU KNOW WHAT OUR POSITION IS AND WHAT WE ARE SUPPORTING. WE APPRECIATE THE ABILITY TO HAVE DISCOURSE WITH EVERYBODY. WE HAVEONE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND LISTENED TO MANY OF, MANY OF THE STAKEHOLDERS, AND THE FEEDBACK THEY GET WHEN THEY FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON IS -- THERE IS A LEVEL OF EXHAUSTION FROM THE UNCERTAINTY. WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE GOT A GREAT COMPROMISE, THAT WE CAME IN IN JANUARY, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT WAS THE 5-5-1, WITH NO SUBPOENA POWER AND NO INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY, BECAUSE ONE IS BEING PROVIDED BY A CITY AS THE INPENNED ATTORNEY. WE CONTINUE TO PUSH AND URGE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL BACK THAT EFFORT IN A MOVE TO GIVE CLOSURE TO THE POLICE OFFICERS WHO ARE CURRENTLY SITTING OUT THERE WAITING AND WONDERING HOW AND WHEN THIS IS GOING TO GO. TO THE EXTENT OF THE PREVIOUS COMMENTS, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING. 5-5-1 WAS XROTMIZE BETWEEN THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH AND THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH. THEY BOTH LEAD OUR CITY. NO ONE FAILS TO HAVE A VOICE IN THAT COMPROMISE. WHAT IS IN THE FACTOR THOUGH THAT ONE EXTRA VOTE THAT WAS THE NAACP. WHAT CAUGHT ME A LITTLE BIT OFF GUARD AND MAYBE TO THE POINT OF BEING OFFENDEDHEN SOMEONE PREVIOUSLY SAID THAT THE NAACP DIDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A VOICE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAW WHAT CAME BEFORE US TODAY, BUT THE REASON THE UNION AND IRONICALLY THE MAYOR IS PUSHING FOR THE NAACP TO HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE IS BECAUSE THEY ARE THE VOICE OF THE COMMUNITY. AND WE DO WORK WITH THEM HAND IN HAND. GUESS WHAT, WE DON'T ALWAYS AGREE. YOU DON'T SUSPECT OR THINK THAT THE PEOPLE THAT CAME BEFORE YOU ARE GOING TO ROLL OVER JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE FRIENDLY OR NICE AND KNOW PEOPLE THAT WORK AT THE UNION OR KNOW PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE LISLARE. RIGHT IS RIGHT. WRONG IS WRONG. THAT IS WHAT THE POLICE WANT. THAT IS THE KIND OF REVIEW THEY WANT. WHAT THE NAACP MEMBERS ARE GOING TO STAND FOR. I AM NOT HERE TO REPRESENT THE NAACP BUT HERE TO SUPPORT THE CURRENT 5-5-1 A VOICE FOR THE NAACP THAT THE COMPROMISE THAT EVERYBODY MADE AND WE ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU SO MUCH AND APPRECIATE YOUR GUISE AND THE SERIOUS DELIBERATION THIS HAS TAKEN. THANK YOU. >> HI, HI, EVERYBODY, JAMIE CLAPHOLT, I AM A TAMPA RESIDENT AND AN ATTORNEY IN THIS COMMUNITY. FIRST I WANT TO WISH COUNCILMAN CITRO A VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY. AND I WAS VERY PLEASED LAST MONTH WHEN FIVE OF YOU VOTED TO PASS A NEW CRB ORDINANCE, BUT NOW I HEAR Y ARE CONSIDERING STEPPING BACK FROM THAT ORDINANCE AND I AM WONDERING WHAT HAS CHANGED. YOU MAY NOT SEE A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 5-5-1 VERSUS 7-4 BREAKDOWN OF APPOINTMENTS, BUT THE MAYOR'S ADMINISTRATION HAS PUT IMMENSE RESOURCES -- RESOURCES OF KEEPING THE CITY COUNCIL FROM APPOINTING A MAJORITY OF THE CRB. AND I KEEP ASKING MYSELF WHY. WHAT IS THE MAYOR AFRAID OF WITH RESPECT TO THE CITY COUNCIL APPOINTING A MAJORITY OF THE CRB. SO IF YOU THINK OF IT THIS WAY, IMAGINE THAT THE U.S. CONGRESS WANTS TO ESTABLISH AN ADVISORY BOARD FOR THE DOJ AFFAIRS AND INFORM THE PUBLIC IN A TRANSPARENT AND CREDIBLE WAY. IT WOULD NOT GIVE THE PRESIDENT A MAJORITY OR HALF OF THE BOARD APPOINTMENTS. WHY? BECAUSE THE PREIDENT APPOINTS THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THEREBY EXERTS CONTROL OVER THE DOJ. IT MAKES NO SENSE FOR THE PERSON WHO CONTROLS THE DOJ TO ALSO CONTROL THE BOARD RESPONSIBLE FOR OVERSEEING ITS AFFAIRS ON BEHALF OF THE PUBLIC. BY THE SAME TOKEN, MAKES NO SENSE TO ALLOW THE MAYOR TO CONTROL THE CRB WHEN SHE ALREADY CONTROLSHE TPD. THE ENTIRE SUPPORT THAT IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN EXTERNAL INDEPENDENT BODY AND THEREFORE I ASK TO YOU PASS THE SAME ORDINANCE THAT FIVE OF YOU VOTED FOR LAST MONTH. TAKING SEVEN OF THE APPOINTMENTS WITH EACH OF YOU HAVING ONE, AND ALLOWING THE MAYOR TO HAVE FOUR APPOINTMENTS AND, OF COURSE, IF YOU SEE FIT TO ALLOW THE NAACP, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT I AM STANDING HERE AND SAYING IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THAT THE CITY COUNCIL MUST HAVE THE MAJORITY OF THESE SEATS. AND JUST TO ADDRESS ONE OTHER THING. THE ORDANCEHAT U VOTED FOR LAST MONTH, IN MY VIEW AND IN THE VIEW OF ACTIVISTS WORKING ON THIS FOR YEARS IS MORE THAN A COMPROMISE. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE ASKS THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING ON AND WORKING FOR YEARS IS NOT IN THAT ORDINANCE. THAT IS WHY IT IS SO DISAPPOINTING THAT I HAVE TO STAND HERE AND ASK YOU AND BEG YOU TO PASS THE SAME ORDINANCE THAT YOU ALREADY VOTED FOR LAST MONTH WHEN IT IS AN EXTREME COMPROMISE IN THE FAVOR OF THE SIDE THAT OPPOSES AN INDEPENDENT AND CREDIBLE CRB, BUT HERE WE ARE. SO I HOPE THAT YOU WILL SEE FIT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU VOTED ON LAST MONTH AND TAKE THE MAJORITY OF THE CRB APPOINTMENTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. HOW MANY MORE SPEAKERS DO WE HAVE? IS THAT IS IT, SIR? >> NO, AFTER HER LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE TWO MORE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: TWO MORE. AFTER THE LAST TWO, WE WILL TAKE A RECESS. THE CLERK NEEDS TO -- A BREAK. YES, MA'AM, GO AHEAD. >> HI, TATYANA MORALES, A CITIZEN AND RESIDENT OF TAMPA BAY. I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF HERE THE LAST SIX YEARS, AND IN THE LAST SIX YEARS, I HAVE WATCHED SO MANY INSTANCES OF COUNTLESS POLICE VIOLENCE AND POLICE BRUTALITY RAVAGE MY COMMUNITY AND THE COMMUNITIES THAT I LIVE IN, THE COMMUNITIES THAT I SERVE IN AND WORK WITH. IN THAT I WATCHED INCIDENTS LIKE JAY PASSMORE NEARLY BEING KILLED BY THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT DOWN THE STREET. I WATCHED INCIDENTS THAT HAVE CHANGE MIND LIFE COMPLETELY CHANGED WHO I AM AS A PERSON. I WATCHED AS OURITY HAS LET PEOPLE THAT HAVE CONSTANTLY HAD ACTS OF BRUTALITY, PEOPLE CONSTANTLY ACTS OF VIOLENCE CONTINUE TO SERVE ON OUR STREET WITH OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS THAT ARE TAKING OVER HALF OF THE BUDGET OF THE CITY ON A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT REFUSES TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE AT ANY CONDITION OF THEIR OWN. THIS IS WHY WE ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO HOLD THESE PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE, TO HOLD THESE OFFICERS ACCOUNTABLE BECAUSE EVERY TAX DOLLAR THAT WE ALL GIVE INTO YOU GUYS, INTO YOUR SEATS, INTO THESE OFFICES AND STREETS ARE IN THE FAITH THAT THESE LEADERS THAT YOU ALL -- YOU WILL RESPOND AND CARE ABOUT THE VALUES THAT WE BRING AND WE SHARE. SO WHEN ALL THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE HERE AND THEY ARE BEGGING YOU TO LISTEN AND BEGGING YOU AND BEGGING YOU AND E-MAILING YOU AND TEXTING AND SWEETING SAYING THAT THE ACLU HAS PROPOSAL THAT WILL BENEFIT THE CITIZENS AND ACTUALLY HOLD OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT ACCOUNTABLE AND MAKE A BETTER UNION, LET'S LISTEN TO IT AND BE LEADERS THAT ACT PROGR PROGRESSIVELY THAT MOVE AND LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE. WE NEED TO ACTUALLY CAN HE MAN AND CHANGE AND YOU NEED TO BE LEADERS OF CHANGE. OF LEADERS THAT. I E-MAILED EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU FOR THE MONTHS AND MONTHS OF COUNTLESS ISSUES IN THE COMMUNITY. THE ONLY TIME ANY RESPONDED WHEN THE MAYOR OR THE PREVIOUS MAYOR ANSWERED ON TWITTER. IT IS NOT A COINCIDENCE. WHAT WE ARE DEMANDING IS FOR ACCOUNTABILITY TO BE HELD. I DON'T WANT TO LIVE MY LIFE LIVING IN THE CITY I TRULY LOVE THAT HAS SO MUCH RICH, BEAUTIFUL BLACK HISTORY WO WONDERING ANDREW JOSEPH III ENDING UP KILLED ON THE STREET. THAT IS NOT WHAT I WANT. I DON'T WANT ANOTHER BLACK B BODY. IF WE KEEP ACTINTHIN THA ARE HAPPENING NOW IS WHAT SUPPOSE TODAY BE, THAT IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. ALL YOUR TERMS ARE COMING UP. AND THEY ARE GOING TO ENDS. IF YOU DON'T LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY, THE COMMUNITIES THAT YOU GO TO CONSTANTLY -- CONSTANTLY FOR PR. YOU POINT VOTE. WE WON'T LET YOU INTO OUR CHURCHES. WEAPON DON'T LET YOU IN OUR SCHOOLS IF YOU DON'T STAND RIGHT NOW IN THE MOMENT WHEN YOU ARE MEANT TO HOLD ACCOUNTABILITY. WHEN YOU ARE MEANT TO STAND UP FOR THE TRUTH. IT IS TIME TO LISTEN TO THE PEEP. IT IS TIME TO LISTEN TO WHAT HE WITH WANT AND STOP THE HEINOUS TERROR THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS SPREAD ON OUR COMMUNITY AND HAVE OFFICERS TO SERVE WITH THE INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. HOPEFULLY I DON'T SEE YOU ANYMORE WITH TWITTER. AND ACTUALLY YOU RESPOND TO MY E-MAILS. THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. >>ORLANDO GUDES: GOOD MORNING. >> I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE COUNCIL OF ISLAMIC RELATIONS OF FLORIDA. AS A CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION WHOSE WORK REVOLVES AROUND ADVOCACY AND JUSTICE. OUR PRESENCE HERE IS CRUCIAL TODAY. HAVING A CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD A CRUCIAL STEP IN ASSERTING JUSTICE. AND RECENTLY THINGS CHANGED AND CURRENT SET-UP BASICALLY TAKES US BACK TO SQUARE ONE. WHEN THE REVIEW BOARD HAS THE MAJORITY OF MEMBERS APPOINTED OR APPROVED BY THE MAYOR IT LOSES ITS INDEPENDENT -- INDEPENDENCE AND LOSES OBJECTIVITY. FLORIDA IS ASKING TO YOU VOTE OF THE EN SENSE OF WHAT THE CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD IS ENTITLED TO FULFILL. THE PEOPLE WANT ACCOUNTABILY IN PLACE. WE NEED YOUR VOTE TO CREATE ACCOUNTABILITY AND PROMOTE POSITIVE CHANGE. THE TRUE PURPOSE OF WHAT CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD IS. FLORIDA IS ASKING FOR THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO CREATE A CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD WHICH APPOINTMENTS ARE MADE BY CITY COUNCIL. ALSO -- I DIDN'T WRITE THIS DOWN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO THINK THAT MUCH TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE MAYOR'S POINT IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE BIASED. YOU DON'T HAVE TO THINK THAT HARD. AND THAT'S ALL. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. >> ACTUALLY ONE MORE THING, WE ARE NEVER GOING TO GET JUSTICE BY THE OPPRESSORS. WHY PUT THEM IN CHARGE. THAT MAKES NO SENSE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: IS THAT THE LAST SPEAKER, SIR? >> ONE MORE SPEAKER. ONE MORE GENTLEMAN RIGHT NOW. >> GOOD MORNING. JAMES SHAW FROM THE GREATER TAMPA CHAPTER OF THE ACLU OF FLORIDA. HAPPY BIRTHDAY, COUNCILMAN CITRO. SECOND OFF, I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR, 5-5-1 I NOT A COMPROMISE. A CAPITULATION. 7-4 IN YOUR FAVOR INSTEAD OF THE MAYOR'S FAVOR WAS A COMPROMISE. FT. MYERS THE MAYOR APPOINTS ONE OUT OF 11. IN MIAMI, TWO OUT OF 13. DAYTONA BEACH, GAINESVILLE, NONE. THE CITY COUNCIL -- OUR MAYOR WAS GOING TO GET FOUR OUT OF THE 11 AND THE ORDINANCE LAST MONTH, THAT WASN'T ENOUGH. THE MAYOR WANTS FIVE AND VETO POWER WHO THE SIXTH ONE IS. AND THAT SIXTH ONE OF A QUOTE UNQUOTE SOCIAL JUSTICE CHANGE NAACP.SOCIAL JUSTICE -- WHAT IS THE SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGAN ORGANIZATION. COMMUNITY PATRIOTS A SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATION. THEY THINK THEY ARE. WE ASK FOR SUBPOENA POWER. IT IS NOT IN THE ORDINANCE YOU PASS LAST MONTH. YOU GAVE IT TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD AND YOU LET YOURSELF CONVINCED YOU COULDN'T GIVE IT TO THE CRB. WE ASKED FOR AN INDEPENDENT ATTORNEY. THAT IS NOT IN IT. YOU GAVE IT TO THE CIVIL SERVICE BOARDS AND YOU GOTER. >> WADED THAT YOU COULDN'T GIVE IT TO THE CRB. THE ONE THING DID YOU IS A WATERED-DOWN CHANGE OF HOW THE MEMBERS THAT 7-4 IN YOUR FAVOR INSTEAD OF 7-4 IN THE MAYOR'S FAVOR AND EVEN THAT THEY WANT TO FIGHT. IF YOU CAPITULATE TO THAT BEGUN WITH A CRB THAT IS A WHOLLY OWNED SUBSIDIARY OF THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND END WITH A CRB THAT IS WHOLLY OWNED SIB SIDRY OF THE MAYOR. WHY IF WE HAVE AN TIE POLICE MAYOR COUNCILMAN CARLSON ASKED LAST WEEK. THEYIDN'T THINK OF TH. IF THEY HAD THAT THEY WOULD WANT TO KNOW REQUEST ONE PERSON WOULD APPOINT A MAJORITY. THAT IS NOT THEIR JOB TO THIN OF THAT. IT IS YOUR JOB TO THINK OF T THAT. EACH ONE OF YOU BEFORE RUNNING FOR OFFICE I HOPE LOOKED IN THE BATHROOM MIRROR AND ASKED WHY YOU WANT TO DO THIS. AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU SAID TO SEE HOW LONG I CAN HANG ON. I DON'T THINK ANY OF YOU SAID SO I CAN VOTE AGAINST WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT WHEN THE PEOPLE WANT IT TO KEEP POWERFUL FOLKS FROM THROWING TANTRUMS. I HOPE THAT ALL OF YOU SAID, WHEN THE CHANCE COMES TO DO SOMETHING MEANINGFUL, I WANT TO BE ON THE DAIS TO VOTE TO DO WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING. THAT IS THIS MOMENT. AS MISS HILTON SAID, 85% OF INDEPENDENT VOTERS. 78% OF DEMOCRATS, 64% OF REPUBLICANS THINK ONE PERSON SHOULD NOT APPOINT THE MAJORITY OF THE CRB. THIS SHOULD BE AN EASY ONE. WHY IS THE LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY FIGHTING SO HARD FOR THAT. WHAT ARE THEY SO AFRAID OF. NOT SUBPOENAS. THEY CAN'T BE SUBPOENAED. NOT DISCIPLINE FROM PEOPLE WHO AREN'T POLICE OFFICERS. THE CRB CANNOT DISCIPLINE. THEY ARE A VOICE. WHY ARE THEY SO SCARED OF A VOIC. I TILL YOU WHY BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE AWAY FROM THEM THE ABILITY TO BE DISHONEST WITH YOU, THE ABILITY TO BE DISHONEST WITH THE PUBLIC, THE ABILITY TO SAY SOMETHING THAT IS OF AN INDEPENDENT BOARD FINDING THE TRUTH. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ARE IN RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES. THE LAST SPEAKER. THANK YOU, SIR. WE ARE IN RECESS. >>BILL CARLSON: HERE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE. >>LUIS VIERA: HERE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE. >>CLERK: WE HAV A PHYSICAL QUORUM. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU DEPUTY CLERK. MR. SHELBY. I THINK WE HEARD ALL OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND REGISTERED AND IN-PERSON SPEAKERS. WE WILL GO AND CLOSE AND MOVE INTO THE BUSINESS OF THE ITEM 64. MR. DINGFELDER. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I AM NOT GOING TO GET INTO ANY LENGTHY DISCUSSION. I THINK WE -- WE DISCUSSED IT LONG AND HARD FOR -- FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. AND I THINK THAT HAS BEEN HEALTHY. I THINK THE KEY TO ALL OF THIS IS THAT WE -- WE ALL WORK HARD TOGETHER, NOT ONLY TODAY BUT IN THE FUTURE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITIZENS REVIEW BOARD IS A STRONG AND INDEPENDENT BODY AND THAT IT IS THERE TO TRULY PROVIDE A HEALTHY OVERSIGHT AND TRANSPARENCY TO THE CITY AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND I THINK EVERY SINGLE POLICE OFFICER IN THE CITY WHO KNOW THEIR JOB FAR BETTER THAN I DO WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT -- THAT TYPE OF OVERSIGHT AND TRANSPARENCY. PROCEDURALLY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I WILL ONLY REQUEST THIS. IT APPEARS THAT WE HAVE -- WE HAVE COME DOWN TO SORT OF TWO -- TWO ISSUES ON THE TABLE. ONE IS THE MAKE-UP OF THE -- OF THE SELECTION. SO WHICH BASICALLY WOULD COME DOWN TO 7-4 OR 5-5-1. AND THEN THE SECOND ISSUE NOW IS WHETHER OR NOT IT SHOULD BE NAACP OR THE ALTERNATIVE LANGUAGE THAT WE -- THAT WE PLAYED WITH ON MONDAY. MY ONLY REQUEST PROCEDURALLY THAT WE HAVE SEPARATE VOTES ON THOSE TWO ISSUES. I THINK THAT IS FAIR. I THINK THAT WAY THE COMMUNITY CAN KNOW WHERE WE STAND ON THOSE IUES. AND THEN THAT WAY AFTER WE MAKE THOSE TWO DECISIONS, THEN WE JUST PACKAGE IT UP AND READY TO GO, AND I DO BELIEVE VERY STRONGLY AS AN ATTORNEY AND SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN HERE FOR TEN YEARS, OFF AND ON, THAT WE ARE READY FOR SECOND READING NO MATTER WHAT. THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN WELL NOTICED ON ALL THESE ISSUES. AND -- YOU KNOW, I DO BELIEVE WE CAN PACKAGE THIS UP AND PUT IT TO BED TODAY AND I THINK THAT IS REALLY, REALLY HEALTHY TO BE DONE WITH IT TODAY. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY- MR. MANISCALCO, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, SIR, JUST REAL QUICK. HAVING HEARD FROM THE NAACP AND HAVING SPOKEN TO PRESIDENT YVETE LEWIS OF THE NAACP THAT THEY HAVE THAT -- AS ORIGINALLY INTENDED THAT THEY HAVE THAT BOARD POSITION. MAKE SURE WE CLARIFY NOT WHAT WAS DISCUSSED OF ANOTHER SOCIAL JUSTICE GROUP OR ACTIVIST GR GROUP. THE NAACP WANT THEIR SEAT AT THE TABLE AND WE HAVE TO KEP IT THERE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO OF. .</>/> SPECIFICALLY BEING A NAACP. THIS MORNING I INVITED THE URBAN LEAGUE TO COME OVER. KIND OF FUNNY HOW IT FELL ON THAT DATE. A SEAT THAT HAS BEEN PROMISED FOR SEVEN OR EIGHT MONTHS DISCUSSED AS NAACP. AND SOMETHING I BROUGHT UP THAT IS STRONGLY AGREE WITH MATTER OF VAGUENESS. PUT IN SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATION. WHAT IS A SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATION. THAT IS A VAGUE TERM. WHATS AIVIS ORGANIZATION. WE KNOW WHAT A SOCIAL JUSTICE AND CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION, BUT UNDER THE LAW IN SUBJECTIVE TERMS WE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES. OUR INTENT IS TO HAVE A HISTORIC ORGANIZATION THAT FIGHTS FOR SOCIAL RIGHTS AND CIVIL RIGHTS AND THAT CAREFULLY AND NARROWLY EFFECTS DEFINITION OF THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY NAACP THEREFORE THAT SEAT SHOULD BE SPECIFICALLY GUARDED FOR THE NAACP. SOMETHING THAT COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER SAID THAT I STRONGLY AGREE WITH. WE OUGHT TO VOTE SEPARATELY ON THESE ISSUES AND NOT SPECIFICALLY ON THE ORDINANCES. WHY? CAUSI THINK IF, FOR EXAMPLE, THE 6-5, THE 5-5-1, WHATEVER YOU WANT -- PASSES AND SOMEBODY VOTES AGAINST IT AS AN ORDINANCE WANT TO COME OUT AGAINST THE ENTIRE OFFERED NANCE. I THINK THAT IS A GOOD COURTESY TO OUR COLLEAGUES SO WE CAN DISPOSE OF THOSE ISSUES AS W WELL. SOMETHING I TALKED ABOUT AS WELL WITH REGARD TO THE 5-5-1. MY UNDERSTAND SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE CAN EITHER HAVE IT BE -- THE -- THE VOTE FROM THE NAACP CONFIRMED BY CITY COUNCIL. SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE SHOULD VERY BRIEFLY ADDRESSS, IF -- DO WE WANT THAT VOTE FROM -- THAT SEAT FROM THE NAACP CONFIRMED BY A VOTE OF TAMPA CITY COUNCIL JUST SOMETHING TO THROW IN THERE THAT I THINK M MAY, YOU KNOW, BE RELEVANT TO SOME OF THE MY COLLEAGUES. I THROW THAT OUT THERE. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM FOLKS ON THAT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: GO TO MR. MIRANDA AND COME BACK TO YOU. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN VIERA ON THE POINT OF THE NAACP. I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS -- IT IS INCUMBENT ON A OF TO UNDERSTAND THEY ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN LEADING THE CHARGE FOR THE RIGHT THING TO BE DONE FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS. AND THEY ARE THE ONES, IN MY BOOK ANYWAY, THAT I AM SURE ALL OF US FEEL THE SAME WAY, AT A NATIONAL LEVEL, STATE LEVEL AND NATIONAL LEVEL, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT REPRESENT THE PEOPLE THAT THEY SERVE DEARLY AND THEIR NEED OF LEADERSHIP LIKE WE ARE NEED OF LEADERSHIP AT TIMES. AND I AGREE WITH MR. DINGFELDER ON FIRST READING. HOWEVER, I DISAGREE ON THE METHOD OF FIRST READING. IN OTHER WORDS, THE METHOD OF FIRST READING TO BE A COMPARABLE OF TWO AND THREE DIFFERENT ITEMS WHICH ONE IS ACCEPTABLE TO US. AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE ON FIRST READING. SO IF WE BRING A NEW ORDINANCE TODAY ON FIRST READING OF 5- 5-5-1. THAT IS STILL ON FIRST READING AND STILL CAN BE PASSED IN TWO WEEKS. SO THE TIME RESTRAINT IS NOT A LOSS. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE IN WHAT WAS TAKEN BY ONE COUNCILMEMBER OR THE OTHER COUNCILMEMBER, BUT THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL DIDN'T VOTE ON WHICH ORDINANCE THEY WANT. I ASKED THE CITY ATTORNEY TO PRESENT AN ORDINANCE OF 5-5-1. SO WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ON 5-5-1 OR 7-4. I THINK THAT IS INCUMBENT AFTER THE TWO ITEMS THAT MR. DINGFELDER SPOKE ABOUT AND I AGREE WITH THAT. I AGREE WITH THAT. WANT THE PUBLIC ENTITLED WHAT WE SAID, HOW WE SAID IT, AND HOW WE VOTED. BELIEVE ME WHAT I SEE IN POLITICAL ARENAS, THIS IS GOING TO BE AN ELECTION FOR 2023. THIS WILL BE WHAT THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ASK YOU. SO BE PREPARED TO FACE THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE IN MY BOOK, THAT IS A FIRST THING THEY WANT TO KNOW. COVERED TODAY. COME OUT VARIOUS TIMES. AND I AGREE WITH THAT. I AM NOT AFRAID TO DEFEND MY STAND. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO AND THEN CITRO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WILL STOP AFTER THIS. COUNSEL CITRO WITH THE NAACP APPOINTMENT. AN APPOINTMENT BY THE NAACP AND CONFIRMED BY THE MAYOR OR CONFIRMED AND APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE OPTIONS ATTORNEY AND I KNOW SHE IS ONLINE, MY UNDERSTANDING AND RECOLLECTION AND WANT HER TO CONFIRM THAT, PRESENTLY AS DRAFTED THE APPOINTMENT IS BY CITY COUNCIL. AND NOT BY THE NAACP. THAT PERSON HAS THE CUL QUALIFICATION OF BEING A MEMBER OF THE NAACP. IT IS CITY COUNCIL'S CHOICE SUBJECT TO CONFIRMATION OF THE MAYOR. THAT IS WHAT IT IS PRESENTLY. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. NOT APPOINTMENT BY THE MAYOR, CONFIRMATION BY CITY COUNCIL. CITY COUNCIL THAT MAKES THE DECISION AND PRESENTS THAT TO THE MAYOR. IF THE CITY ATTORNEY WOULD LIKE TO CONFIRM OR CLARIFY BECAUSE THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE OF WHAT COUNCIL IS BEING GIVEN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MISS GRIMES. WE CAN'T HEAR YOU. >>GINA GRIMES: I THINK IT IS ON NOW. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, MA'AM, I CAN HEAR YOU. >>GINA GRIMES: I AM NOT CLEAR ON WHAT MR. SHELBY JUST STATED, BUT THE CURRENT VERSIONS IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY, THE WAY THEY ARE STRUCTURED IS THAT THE COUNCIL WILL MAKE THE APPOINTMENT. THEY WILL BE THE APPOINTING BODY OF WHETHER IT IS THE NAACP OR A CIVIL RIGHTS SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATION AND THAT APPOINTMENT WOULD THEN BE SUBJECT TO THE CONFIRMATION OF THE MAYOR. SO WE CAN MODIFY IT IF WOULD YOU LIKE FOR THE NAACP TO NOMINATE AND THEN COUNCIL APPOINT AND THE MAYOR CONFIRM. IT CAN BE STRUCTURED THAT WAY AS WELL. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WELL THEN TO FOLLO UP TO THAT AND I WILL JUST SAY AND WRAP UP WITH I TRUST MY COLLEAGUES. I TRUST YOU ALL HERE AND I TRUST THE NAACP. WHOEVER IS, SAY, NOMINATED OR APPOINTED TO BE ON THE BOARD, THAT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME. WHY WOULD IT NEED MAYORAL APPROVAL? WE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE LAYERS OF TRUST. OR AM I COMPLICATING IT TOO MUCH. IF YVETTE LEWIS OF THE NAACP SAYS THIS IS WHO WE NOMINATE FOR THE BOARD OR WHO WANTS TO OBJECT BE THE BOARD OR US AS CITY COUNCIL, WE -- WE CHOOSE SOMEBODY FROM THE NAACP. THAT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME. WHY WOULD IT NEED FURTHER APPROVAL? ANY THOUGHT? >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO AND COME BACK -- BECAUSE I HAVE MY OWN SPIEL WITH REFERENCE TO THE NAACP. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I NEED TO MAKE MYSELF CLEAR. AND -- I AM SURE LIKE THE REST OF US HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF CALLS, ESPECIALLY FROM THE NAACP. AND I AM NOT GOING TO MENTION THAT IM A RD CARRYING MEMBER OF THE NAACP. I AM NOT GOING TO MENTION ALL THE GREAT THINGS THAT THE NAACP DOES AND HAS DONE. BUT I ALSO HEARD FROM OTHER SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS THE LBGT. WE HEAR FROM A PERSON WHO COMES DOWN QUITE OFTEN WHO HAS THEIR COMPLAINTS ABOUT TPD AND TALK OF GAY, LESBIAN AND TRANSGENDER PEOPLE. WE ALSO HEAR FROM PEOPLE WITHIN THE ISLAMIC COMMUNITY THAT ARE SAYING THAT THEY ARE HAVING THEIR TROUBLES WITH TPD. MY THOUGHT, MY IDEA, AND WHEN I PUT IT OUT THERE WAS TO BE INCLUSIVE OF ALL SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATIONS. THIS IS A VOTE THAT CITY COUNCIL WILL TAKE. BUT I JUST NEEDED TO MAKE MYSELF CLEAR MY INTENTION WAS NOT TO TAKE AWAY THE GREAT ORGANIZATION OF THE NAACP BUT JUST TO INCLUDE OTHER SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATIONS. SHOULD THE TIME COME IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CHAIR, I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO THIS TO THE BOT TONIGHT OF THIS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE THE NAACP TO BE THE 11th MEMBER OF THE CRB BOARD. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD LIKE TO GET INTO A DISCUSSION FOR MYSELF. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL SECOND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME SAY THIS GENTLEMEN. THERE ARE SIX COUNCILMEMBERS IN HERE. AND I SEE ONE, TWO, THREE, AFRICAN-AMERICANS. I DON'T USE THE WORD AFRICAN-AMERICANS -- I AM BLACK MAN. I NEVER BEEN TO AFRICA. I WOULD LOVE TO GO. I AM AN AMERICAN. I AM A BLACK MAN IN AMERICA. I HAVE ANCESTORS FROM AFRICA, BUT FOR ME, I AM A BLACK MAN WHO LIVES IN AMERICA. I KNOW WHAT RACISM IS. I KNOW RACISM IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. WENT THROUGH IT. I KNOW WHAT RACISM IS IN A COMMUNITY. THE OTHER TWO AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN HERE, THEY FACED IT. THEY KNOW WHAT IT IS. BUT IT SICKENS ME WHEN I HEAR CERTAIN COMMENTS FROM CERTAIN FOLKS. COUNCILMAN GUDES DON'T WANT THE NAACP TO BE PART OF THE BOARD. HOGWASH AND BULL. NEVER, EVER SAID THAT. AND I AM SK OFEARI THAT GARBAGE. ABOUT SOME PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE A PERSONAL INTEREST -- DON'T LIKE ME OR WHATEVER. I DON'T GET INTO THAT. AND I GET INTO THE FACTS. THE FACT IS, MISS GRIMES SAID THAT ACLU DID NOT WANT TO BE A PART OF THE BOARD BECAUSE THEY FELT IT WAS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST THEY HAD A DIRECTOR ON THE BOARD. I THOUGHT OF THAT LONG AND H HARD. LET'S PROTECT THE LONGEST SERVING ORGANIZATION TO -- IN CASE SOMETHI HAPNS ITHE CITY, GOD FORBID AND MAY HAVE TO BE IN FRONT OF CAMERAS, AND BECOME A CONFLICT -- IT CREATES A PROBLEM FOR THAT BOARD. AND THAT'S WHY I SAID, WELL, LET'S HAVE TE NAACP BUT A MEMBER. A MEMBER OF THE SOCIAL JUSTICE COMMITTEE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT NOT THE DIRECTOR OF THE EXECUTIVE STAFF. I STILL STAND BY THAT. AND MR. CITRO TALKED OF SOCIAL JUSTICE GROUP. I GOT CALLS FROM -- YOU KNOW HIS LOCKET THAT RUN OTHER SOCIAL JUSTICE GROUPS. TAMPA FOR JUSTICE AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL. I DOT HA A PROBLEM WITH THE NAACP IF THAT IS THE PERSON ON THE BOARD. I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUES WITH THAT. LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR. BUT AS A PERSON, I HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS. AND THAT WAS A CONCERN ABOUT EVERYBODY. I AM JUST SAYING, I KNOW SOME COUNCILMEMBERS, THE NAACP, THEY DON'T WANT TO CROSS THIS AND THAT. I GET THAT. THE POLITICS WITH THAT. REELECTION SAINT BIG DEAL. PEOPLE LIKE WHAT I HAVE DONE, THEY VOTE ME IN. IF THEY DON'T, I AM HAPPY. BY TRY COACH FOOTBALL AND I AM SERIOUS OF THAT. ELECTION TIME. I DID A HELL OF A JOB OF THE CITIZENS OF MY DISTRICT. THEY LIKE WHAT I DID, I AM B BACK. IF THEY DON'T THINK WHAT I DID. I DO WHAT I DID. AND TAKE MY HAT OFF TO THE FENCE IS AND MOVE ON WITH THE NEXT CHAPTER. I DIDN'T AGREE EVERYTHING THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DID OVER THERE. AS A BLACK MAN. BUT I WENT THROUGH IT. GOT THROUGH IT. THAT CHAPTER IS OVER IN MY L LIFE. WH IT COMES TO THIS CITY HAND COUNCIL. ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE. ALL THE SENIORS ARE NOT GOING TO GO EVERYBODY WAY ALL THE TIME. I STAY ALL THE TIME. TO GET DEALS DONE AND GET THINGS MOVING. SO LET ME MAKE THAT CLEAR ABOUT THE NAACP. I LOVE THE NAACP. FOLKS THERE AR GOOD PEOPLE THAT FIGHT FOR JUSTICE IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT I STAND BY. I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THEM BEING ON THE BOARD BUT I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH AN EXECUTIVE MEMBER, HAVING SOMEONE FROM THEIR SOCIAL JUSTICE -- I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IN THE EXECUTIVE BODY BECAUSE IT TAINTS THE BOARD A LITTLE BIT. THAT IS JUST MY. I STAND BY IT. IF THAT IS WHAT THE BOARD DESIRES, THE BOARD DESIRES. OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE NAACP. MR. MIRANDA HAS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND MR. DINGFELDER HAS SECONDED IT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS THE NAACP BE THE SOLE PERSON ON THAT BOARD NO MATTER WHO -- WHO IS NOMINATED FOR EXECUTIVE BOARD OR MEMBER OF ANOTHER BRANCH. THAT CRECT, MR. MIRANDA. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION AND TO GIVE GUIDANCE TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND TO THE CLERK. I THINK WE WILL JUST GO BACK TO THE LANGUAGE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAD AS RELATED TO THAT PARTICULAR ITEM, NAACP. WE GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL ATLANTA WE HAVE TO MONDAY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MISS GRIMES, WHAT IS THAT LANGUAGE? >>GINA GRIMES: THE LANGUAGE YOU HAVE ON MONDAY IS THAT THE -- IT WAS -- LET ME GO BACK. THERDINANCE THAT YOU HAVE ON FIRST READING THAT IS UP FOR SECOND READING TODAY ON THE IS 7-4 WITH THE NAACP BEING THE FOURTH -- OR BEING THE 11th MEMBER. THAT MEMBER WOULD BE APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR. THAT IS THE WAY IT IS STRUCTURED NOW. ONE OF WHICH WILL BE A MEMBER OF THE NAACP. THE OTHER OPTION THAT I -- THAT I HAVE DRAFTED AFTER THE MEETING ON MONDAY. I WENT BACK AND JUST OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION WENT AHEAD AND DRAFTED A 5-5-1 VERSION ALSO WITH THAT 11th -- THAT ONE MEMBER, THE 11th MEMBER BEING APPOINTED BY NAACP, BEING APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND CONFIRMED BY THE MAYOR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT WAS MY REQUEST, MISS GRIMES. >>GINA GRIMES: PARDON ME? >>ORLANDO GUDES: MY REQUEST. THAT'S CORRECT? >>GINA GRIMES: YOU ARE COR CORRECT. YOU ASKED ME AND MR. MIRANDA. I TOLD BOTH OF YOU -- THAT I SPOKEN TO MISS LEWIS AND I KNEW THAT IT WOULD BE AN ISSUE AND I WENT AHEAD TO PREPARE A FOURTH VERSION OF AN ORDINANCE SO WE WOULD BE READY TODAY. . >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MAYBE WE HAVE GOT IT REVERSED DEAL WITH THE 5-5-1, 7-4 QUESTION FIRST AND THEN VOTE ON THE NAACP QUESTION SECOND. AND CONFORM THE NAACP PART INTO THAT 5-5. BECAUSE AS MR. VIERA SUGGESTED AND I THINK MR. MANISCALCO TOO AND MAYBE OTHERS, I THINK THEY SUGGESTED THAT THE NAACP POSITION JUST BE APPOINTED BY COUNCIL WHICH WILL THEN MAKE IT MORE OF A 6-5 INSTEAD OF THE 7-4 OR THE 5-5-1. SO I DON'T KNOW, MR. MIRANDA, YOU MADE THE MOTION. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE DEFER -- DEFER IT FOR A SECOND OR TWO UNTIL WE BANG OUT THAT OTHER ISSUE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE HAD SO MANY ISSUES HERE I THINK THE PUBLIC IS CONFUSED. BEFORE WE DISCUSS 7-4, 5-5, IN OUT, NO PLAY, YES PLAY, ALL THAT. AND BY THE WAY, I AM NOT COMING TO ANYONE'S OFFENSE. I NEVER HEARD THE CHAIRMAN SPEAK BUT PRAISE FOR THE NAACP. HE NEVER TALKED NEGATIVE FROM WHAT I HEARD BY ANYWAY. I APPRECIATE YR SERVICE SIR. AND THERE IS WHERE WE ARE AT. WHICH ONE DO YOU WANT FIRST. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK MR. SHELBY, THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE AS WE LOOK AT THE 5 5-5-1. THAT'S CORRECT, GENTLEMEN? 5-5-1. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: 5-5-1, 6-5, OR 7-4. BETWEEN THOSE THREE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I UNDERSTAND -- MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM A LITTLE CONFUSED. NOW I AM GETTING CONFUSED. WHAT I AM HEARING NOW -- WE ARE SAYING NOW WE ARE GOING TO SHIFT AND SAY 5-5 AND ONE ON THE SIDE WILL BE SOLELY RECOMMENDED BY THIS COUNCIL, THAT'S CORRECT? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT IS WHAT I AM CALLING THE 6-5. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WAS SAYING THAT COUNCIL APPROVED THE NAACP NOMINEE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME SAY THIS, IF I MAY. LET'S GO TO SOMETHING PRACTICAL AND SOMETHING PRACTICAL AND POLITICAL. NO MAYOR THAT I KNOW OF IS DUMB ENOUGH IF THIS COUNCIL PASSES SOMETHING 7-0, LET'S SAY -- I AM JUST SAYING THAT. I AM NOT GOING IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN THAT MAYOR IS STUPID ENOUGH TO SAY NO. I AM NOT TALKING OF THIS MAYOR. I AM TALKING ABOUT ANY MAYOR. WHO IS GOING TO FIGHT OVER THAT? NO ONE. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING? TRYING TO MAKING IS NEW THAT IS NT NEW? I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. YOU GOT ME CONFUSED. MAYBE IT IS EASIER TO GET ME CONFUSED BUT I DON'T THINK IT IS. SOMETIMES I ACT LIKE A DUMMY TO FIND OUT WHAT THE DUMMIES ARE ASKING ME FOR. WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING, TELL BEE IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT ANY MAYOR IS GOING TO TURN DOWN A COUNCIL IF THEY SELECT SOMEONE, SOMEBODY TO BE 7 OR 6-1 OR 5-2. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN? LIKE GOING FISH CAN AND THINKING YOU ARE GOING TO SEE A BALL GAME. YOU ARE GOING TO CATCH FISH. TO ME IT'S -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING. DO YOU THINK THAT ANY MAYOR IS GOING TO DO THAT? REALLY? I AM NOT TRYING TO KNOCK ANYBODY OUT. BUT DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT ANY MAYOR IS GOING TO GO AGAINST ANYBODY WHETHER IT IS US OR SOMEBODY ELSE SITTING IN THESE CHAIRS UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS? I DON'T THINK SO. IT WOULD BE SUICIDAL. >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME DO THIS, MR. MIRANDA. WE NEED TO WIND THIS DOWN AND BRING IT FOR A LANDING. I THOUGHT IT WAS TWO OPTIONS. THREE OPTIONS ON THE TABLE. NARROW IT DOWN REAL QUICK. WE WILL DO -- JUST A SECOND. NOT GO INTO A LONG DISCUSSION. BOTTOM LINE IS YOU HAVE A, B AND NOW A C ON THIS TABLE HERE. NOW WE HAVE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THIS ON MONDAY. I GUESS THE ADMINISTRATION WAS PREPARED FOR TWO ITMS. NOW WE HAVE A THIRD ITEM ON THE AGENDA TODAY. IT IS NOT A GOOD WAY TO DO BUSINESS, BUT, AGAIN, I AM ONE PERSON. AND THERE ARE SIX OTHER PEOPLE. SO NOW IF WE ARE GOING TO BRING THIS INTO A LANDING, THEN I THINK YOU NEED TO LOOK AT REALISTICALLY -- REALISTICALLY. IF YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE ON SOMETHING WHAT ARE YOUR TOP TWO CHOICES SO MR. BENNETT IS CLEAR AND MAKE HIS PHONE CALLS TO THE MAYOR AND WE MOVE ON. IS THIS GOING TO KEEP GOING THROUGH THIS COURSE. YOU MAKE YOUR TOP TWO. MR. BENNETT MAKES HIS PHONE CALL AND WE END IT. WHEREVER IT GOES, IT GOES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY TOP TWO? >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM GOING AROUND THE TABLE. WHAT ARE YOUR TOP TWO. YOU HAVE THREE -- I MEAN, I AM NOT GOING TO SAY I AM GOING TO TAKE A VOTE ON THREE DIFFERENT ITEMS. WE GOT TO BRING IT FOR A LEFT LEFT HANDING. MR. SHELBY YOU ARE RECOGNIZED AND THEN I WILL LET MR. BENNETT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, FORGIVE ME FOR BEING SLOW ON THE UPTAKE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY AND THE PUBLIC AND ADMINISTRATION ARE AWARE OF THE THOUGHT PROCESSS THAT COUNCIL IS GOING THROUGH WITH REGARD TO THE OPTION. I DON'T AVE ANY UNDERSTANDING -- MISUNDER STANDING WHAT PEOPLE ARE VOTING ON. SEVERAL OPTIONS AND THEY HAVE GROWN BECAUSE OF WHAT COUNCILMAN MANISCALCO RAISED. TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES, THE 5- 5-5-1. AND WHAT IS THE ONE. AND COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER WANTED TO IN THE INTEREST OF CLEARING IT UP AS OPPOSED TO VERSUS -- ANOTHER OPTION ON THE TABLE IS WHAT ALREADY EXISTS FOR SECOND READING. AND THAT IS WHAT UNCIVOTED ON FOR FIRST READING. JUST REMEMBER THAT AS WELL BECAUSE WHATEVER YOU DO IF THERE IS ANY DIFFERENCE THAN THAT, REQUIRES A SUBSTITUTION. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? SO THAT BEING THE CASE, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE UNLESS COUNCIL FEELS DIFFERENTLY. THIS IS YOUR MEETING, YOUR DISCUSSION, BUT RESOLVE THE ISSUE OF THE APPOINTMENTS FI FIRST, THE BREAKDOWN AND DO THE SPECIFICITY OF HOW THAT LAST ONE NEEDS TO BE DONE. UNLESS -- UNLESS COUNCILMAN MANIY DIFFERENT MOTION AND I DIDN'T HEAR IT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: COUNCILMAN VIERA AND DINGFELDER. >>LUIS VIERA: I LIKE YOUR IDEA OF -- OF US TALKING ABOUT OUR TWO HIGHEST PREFERENCES AND THEN MAYBE TAKING TIME FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO TALK OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO THIS DISPOSITIVE ISSUE FAST AND DISPOSE OF IT AND MOVE FORWARD, WHATNOT. THAT'S IT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU. I -- I PERSONALLY WASN'T AWARE THAT THERE WAS GOING BE TOO THIRD OPTION THIS MORNING. I WAS RESIGNED TO THE FACT IT WAS GOING TO BE EITHER 7-4 OR 5-5-1. BUT NOW THERE HAS BEEN ANOTHER SUGGESTION FROM AT LEAST TWO OF OUR MEMBERS. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE HAVE THREE CHOICES. SOMETIMES LIKE WHEN SOMEONE MIT BE THREE PEOPLE WHOSERE NAMES GET NOMINATED AND WE DEAL WITH IT. SO I THINK THAT IS HOW WE SHOULD DEAL WITH IT. IF THERE ARE THREE CHOICES, WE SHOULD -- PUT THAT -- PUT THAT OUT THERE. AND EVERYBODY IS CLEAR ON WHAT THOSE THREE CHOICES ARE, MAKE A VOTE RIGHT THEN AND THERE. AND SEE -- SEE IF THE THREE CHOICES GET FOUR VOTES. I MEAN OE OF THOSE THREE CHOICES. IF ONE OF THOSE THREE VOICES GET A VOTE, THAT IS THE CHOICE. THAT IS THE CHOICE AND WE ARE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY. I THINK WE ARE ALL PRETTY CLEAR ON THE ADMINISTRATION'S PREFERENCE. THEY HAVE STATED IT ABUNDANTLY CLEAR, BUT NOW WE ARE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY AND MAKE THAT LEGISLATIVE CHOICE. MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD URGE TO YOU MOVE FORWARD, SAY PUT THOSE THREE CHOICES ON THE FLOOR. EACH ONE OF US WILL STATE WHAT THOSE -- WHAT OUR PREFERENCE IS. OUR NUMBER ONE PREFERENCE OUT OF THOSE THREE CHOICES AND SEE HOW THAT PLAYS OUT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MAYBE I AM INCORRECT ON ONE ITEM OR TWO ITEMS. TELL ME THAT THE PERSON THAT THE MAYOR NOMINATES FOR THE COMMITTEE THAT IS NOT RATIFIED BY THIS COUNCIL. CAN YOU TELL ME ONE PERSON? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HAVE MADE OBJECTIONS BEFORE IN THE PAST. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: OBJECTIONS. SO WHAT IF ONE OF US WAS MAYOR AND YOU SEND THINGS DOWN TO THE COUNCIL TO GET CONFIRMED. YES OR NO. HAPPENS EVERY DAY, EVERY MONTH. EVERY YEAR -- NOT EVERY DAY, BUT IT HAPPENS. THE OTHER SEAT? IF YOU WEREN WHEN YOU VOTE ON SOMETHING, YOU GOT TO FEEL WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT. AND THEN HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PRESENT IT. SO ARE YOU GOING TO GET ANY MAYOR, THIS MAYOR, ANY FUTURE MAYOR AND THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT? YOU WANT TO START A NEGATIVE THING INSTEAD OF SHAKE HANDS ON SOMETHING THAT TO ME WORDS DON'T MEAN MUCH, BUT IF YOU SHAKE SOMEBODY'S HAND, THAT IS A CONTRACT, WHERE I COME FROM. AND I BELIEVE WHERE YOU COME FROM, MR. GUDES. BECAUSE THE ONLY THING ENOUGH YOUR LIFE IS A YOUR WORD AND A HANDSHAKE. THAT'S IT. THE REST COMES AND GOES WITH THE WIND. WHAT IS IT THAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR? WHY AM I GOING TO UPSET THIS MAYOR OR ANY MAYOR THAT WE HAVE TO APPROVE, DISAPPROVE OF, THE APPOINTEES TO ANY BOARD. WHEN WE ARE NOT GOING TO OFFER THAT MAYOR THE SAME THING. I AM NOT PRO-MAYOR, ANTI-MAYOR, PRO COUNCIL, ANTI-COUNCIL, I TRY TO BE AS FAIR AS I CAN FROM A STREET EXPERIENCE NOT A COUNCIL EXPERIENCE. YOU GIVE A HAND SHAKE AND YOU VIOLATE THAT YOU ARE IN A HELL OF DEEP TROUBLE. NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE, YOUR WORD IS THE ONLY THING YOU HAVE AND YOUR HANDSHAKE IS THAT CONTRACT. THAT'S ALL I AM GOING TO SAY, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET MR. BENNETT CHIME IN, AND WE WILL COME BACK. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL. GOOD AFTERNOON, PUBLIC. I WILL STAY VERY NARROW AND PRESCRIPTIVE FOR THE SAKE OF MY TIME MANAGEMENT. BUT ON MONDAY WE LEFT WITH THE 7-4, THE 5-5-1 OPTION. WHAT I HEARD COUNCIL SAY AND I BELIEVE MISS GRIMES WENT BACK TO SUPPORT WITH SUBSTITUTIONS WAS THAT COUNCIL ASKED SPECIFICALLY IF -- IF THEY MADE THE RECOMMENDATION FOR THE 11th POSITION OR THE ONE POSITION, AND THE MAYOR CONFIRMED IT IN THAT ORDER ANDE SA THAT WAS FINE, EITHER WAY, AND WE HEARD IT COUNCIL WANTED TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION OR THAT NOMINATION AND THE MAYOR WOULD CONFIRM IT. IF IT REVERSES ITSELF, THAT IS OKAY BY THE ADMINISTRATION MEANING IF THE MAYOR MADE THE RECOMMENDATION AND COUNCIL CONFIRMED IT. EITHER ONE OF THOSE SCENARIOS WORK FOR THE ADMINISTRATION IN SUPPORT OF THE CRB, BUT I WILL ALSO SAY JUST FROM THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE THAT FROM THE BEGINNING, THE MAYOR SUPPORTED THE SEAT FROM THEAACP. I WANTED TO PUT THAT ON THE RECORD, BUT WE CAME IN WITH A 5-5-1 OPTION AND THE SECOND READING REQUESTS FOR SUBSTITUTIONS ON THE 7-4, BUT THE ADMINISTRATION SPECIFICALLY SUPPORTS THE 5-5-1 OPTION AND EITHER THE RECOMMENDATION FROM COUNCIL APPROVAL FROM MAYOR ON THE ONE, IDEALLY FROM THE NAACP OR THE REVERSE WHERE IT IS RECOMMENDED BY THE MAYOR AND CONFIRMED BY COUNCIL. EITHER WAY IS FINE. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, I HAVEN'HEARFROM YOU. >>BILL CARLSON: I AM THE ONE THAT MADE THE MOTION FOR THE 7-4. SO I THINK YOU ALL KNOW WHERE I STAND ON THAT. NOW TWO OTHER OPTIONS ON THE TABLE. BUT I WANTED TO ASK MR. MIRANDA, BASED ON ALL THE THINGS YOU SAID, WOULD YOU RECOMMEND TODAY THAT WE -- THAT WE COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON A -- ON A 4-3 VOTE OR A 5-2 VOTE. DO YOU THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A -- YOU SAID THAT THE MAYOR TYPICALLY WOULD NOT CHALLENGE, BUT IS IT IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE FIVE VOTES OR FOUR VOTES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: A FIVE VOTE, A 5-2 VOTE MEAN THAT YOU -- YOU AUTOMATICALLY HAVE THE POWER OF STRENGTH OF NUMBERS THAT THE MAYOR CANNOT OVERRIDE. BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT MAYOR OR WHOEVER THE MAYOR WILL OVERRIDE A 4-3 VOTE. SO FOR THE PROCESS IN MY MIND. THE PROCESS TO FIND OUT WHOEVER THE MAYOR MAY BE AT THAT TIME BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO LAST FOR A YEAR OR TWO OR FIVE YEARS OR WHATEVER, IF IT IS A 4-3. ITSTILL PASSES. IF IT IS A 5-2, IT PASSES. DOESN- THE MAYOR MAYBE OBJECT TO 5-2 BECAUSE NEVER BROUGHT TO THAT MAYOR'S ATTENTION TO VOTE YEA OR NAY. UP UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS SAYING BUT AHEAD OF THE TIME BECAUSE NEVER GAVE THE POSITION OF THE MAYOR THE RIGHT TO REJECT WHAT THE COUNCIL DID. I AM MAKING ASSUMPTION IF IT COMES BACK, IT WILL STAY 5-2. THAT IS THE ONLY THING I AM THINKING OF. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>BILL CARLSON: I CAN TALK FOR A LONG TIME BUT TWO OTHER QUICK THINGS. ONE, I WANT TO SAY TO ALL THE PARTIES I APPRECIATE THEIR COLLABORATION ON THIS. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE I SET UP A MEETING WITH SEVERAL GROUPS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND HAPPENED TO BE ON THE SAME DAY THE MAYOR MADE HER ANNOUNCEMENT ON THE FIRST REVISION AND THAT ALREADY WAS AN IMPROVEMENT, BUT THE MAYOR ALLOWED US TO HAVE THAT NEGOTIATION DISCUSSION THAT AFTERNOON EVEN THOUGH SHE HAD JUST HAD A PRESS CONFERENCE. THANK MR. BENNETT, THE MAYOR, MISS GRIMES AND OTHERS AND ALL THE PARTIES IN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS OCES. NOBODY IS HAPPY. NOBODY IS HAPPY ON EITHER SIDE. EVERYBODY IS UPSET WITH US BUT I WANT TO APPRECIATE IN AND HOWEVER WE END UP TODAY, I THANK EVERYBODY FOR THAT PROCESS. AND ALSO, WE HAVE -- FOR EVERYBODY WHO IS WATCHING, THERE ARE A LOT OF CHANGES IN THIS. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A RED LINE FROM THE ORIGINAL VERSION. IT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE I WAS INVOLVED AS AN ACTIVIST SIX YEARS AGO. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME TO REPLACE THE ORIGINAL VERSION BY THE WAY IT WAS CREATED, WHICH WAS NOT GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY. IT WAS VERY DIVISIVE. AND THIS H BEE-- I THINK IT HAS BEEN HEATED AT TIMES BUT A VERY GOOD COMMUNITY CONVERSATION, AND WHATEVER WE END UP WITH TODAY WON'T BE PERFECT BUT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AND IF IT DOESN'T WORK OR NEED TO MAKE OTHER TWEAKS AND CHANGES IN THE FUTURE WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JUST TO CLARIFY. I THINK I CONFUSED THE CONVERSATION HERE, BUT I AM NOT CREATING A THIRD OPTION. THERE IS A 5-5, AND THAT ONE BY NAACP. WHY DOES THAT NAACP NEED TO BE CONFIRMED BY THE MAYOR. IS IT NOT GOOD -- IF THE NAACP SAY THIS IS WHO WE NOMINATED OR WANT TO APPOINT TO THE BOARD, COUNCIL, WE CAN GET YOUR APPROVAL LIKE WE APPROVE A DEPARTMENT HEAD, POLICE CHIEF, CONTRACT OR WHATEVER. IT DOESN'T GO TO MAYOR FOR APPROVAL. NAACP SAYS, YOU KNOW PERSON WHATEVER, COUNCIL APPROVES IT. AND THAT'S IT. NOT A THIRD OPTION, JUST A CAVEAT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. BENNETT. YES SIR? >> JOHN BENNETT, CHIEF OF ST STAFF. TO THAT POINT, WE LEFT ON MONDAY WITH THE AGREEMENT THAT COUNCIL WOULD NOMINATE THE POSITION FROM WHETHER IT WAS NAACP, WHICH THE MAYOR RECOMMENDED SOME TIME BACK AND HAS BEEN BAKED INTO THIS FROM THE BEGINNING AND THEN COUNCIL PROVIDED THE OTHER OPTION FOR A CIVIL LIBERTY GROUP FOR SOCIAL JUSTICE GROUP WHICH WE WERE AMENABLE TO AND AMENABLE OF THE MAYOR NOMINATING AND COUNCIL NOMINEE AND APPROVAL BUT THAT BALANCE STILL REMAINS. 5-5-1 WITH EITHER COUNCIL NOMINATING, MAYOR APPROVING OR MAY YOVING NOMINATING AND COUNCIL APPROVING. NOT JUST ONE SIDE. WE WANT FOR A COMPLETELY BALANCED UNBIASED BOARD WITH PROGRESSION AND WE BELIEVE THAT IS WHAT WE SUBMITTED FOR COUNCIL'S REVIEW. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET ME ASK YOU THIS TO YOU, MR. BENNETT. I AM HEARING FROM COU COUNCILMEMBERS. TRYING TO BE THE PEACEMAKER FOR BOTH SIDES TO KEEP THE BALANCE. AND I DO RESPECT THE ADMINISTRATION'S POSITION TO -- ABOUT THE -- THE SWITCHEROOO ON THAT LAST -- THAT ONE OPTION. BUT MR. MANISCALCO DOES MAKE A POINT. AND IT IS NOT TOO UNBALANCED TO BOARD AT ALL. BUT IF THE ADMINISTRATION IS AMENABLE SAYING THE NAACP IS THE PERSON, AND THEY SELECT THAT -- THEY -- THIS BODY CONFIRM THAT PERSON, REALLY -- WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD THE MAYOR WILL NOT GO WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF THAT PERSON. I GO BACK TO MR. MIRANDA. IF WE SAY 7-0 PEOPLE SAY THIS IS THE PERSON FROM THE NAACP, I DON'T THINK THE MAYOR. WHY WOULD THEY NOT GIVE THAT RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. THAT A BARGAINING CHIP? I COULDN'T MANAGE IN A MAYOR WOULDN'T CONFIRM THAT POSITION, BUT AGAIN A FORMALITY TO KEEP THE BALANCE. AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT THE AGREEMENT WAS ON MONDAY WHETHER SHE RECOMMENDS COUNCIL CONFIRMS OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND. AND SHE IS THE ONE TT SUGGESTED THE NAACP BE PART OF THAT 11th POSITION. SO I CAN'T REMEMBER THAT A STANDING MEMBER OR A MEMBER OF GOOD STANDING OF THE NAACP WOULDN'T ACHIEVE HER CONFIRMATION FROM COUNCIL, JUST A WAY TO MAKE SURE -- AGAIN, I THINK ONE THING -- AND I REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO GET INTO PHILOSOPHY THIS MORNING BECAUSE WE ARE BUSY, BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SENSE OF BALANCE HERE IS -- THERE HAS BEEN TIMES WHERE IT IS SAID, WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS MAYOR COMES INTO OFFICE AND TIMES IT SAYS WHAT IF THIS COUNCIL COMES -- THAT IS THE BEAUTY OF THE BALT. IT LIVES IN A CONSISTENT STATE OF BALANCE TO PROTECT THE ENTIRE ECOSYSTEM OF PUBLIC SAFETY. I SAID IT MONDAY. THE MAYOR MOVED FROM A 7-4 PURPOSELY TO THE 5-5-1 TO CREATE THAT BALANCE AND ALL I AM ASKING TO CLOSE IT OUT TODAY IS WHATEVER THE COUNCIL'S WISHES AS FAR AS FIRST AND SECOND READING TO MAINTAIN THAT BALANCE AND IF COUNCIL RECOMMENDS, MAYOR CONFIRMS, MAYOR RECOMMENDS, COUNCIL CONFIRMS, IT DIDN'T MATTER TO US. JUST AS IT DIDN'T MATTER SOCIAL JUSTICE OR CIVIL LIBERTIES BUT THE MAYOR RECOMMENDED NAACP AS A PREMIERE ORGANIZATION TO SUPPORT THE CRB. SO IN THE SPIRIT OF IT, I CAN'T EVER FIGURE THAT THIS MAYOR OR ANY OTHER MAYOR WOULDN'T JUST CONFIRM THE NOMINATION, BUT TO KEEP THINGS IN A PERFECTLY BALANCED ECOSYSTEM, THE ADMINISTRATION STANDS BY THE BALANCE -- THE BALANCE OF THAT ORDINANCE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. VIERA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WHEN I SPOKE ON THIS ISSUE THERE WAS CONCERN THE MAYOR IS CONFIRMING THIS. I SAID WHAT IF THERE IS CONSULTATION OF THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL CONFIRMS IT. I THINK CREATING -- GOSH ALMIGHTY, THIS REMINDS ME OF THE LEGAL PRACTICE WHEN YOU ARE ABOUT TO SETTLE THE CASE AND 99.9% AND END UP SPENDING 100% OF THE NEXT WEEK ON .1%. I DON'T WANT TO GO IN A RABBIT HOLE HERE AT ALL WHICH WE ARE AT RISK OF DOING. WHAT I WAS SAYING IS CONFIRM BY CITY COUNCIL IN CONSULTATION OF THE MAYOR, NEARLY REVERSE GOING. NOT NECESSARILY CREATING A THIRD OPTION THAT WILL KEEP US HERE FOR A LONG TIME. I DON'T KNOW H COUNCIL FEELS ABOUT THAT, BUT I THINK THAT IS WHAT MOST PEOPLE ARE GETTING TO. BUT JUST MY VIEW. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AS YOU SAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, TRYING TO GET A CONSENSUS. MAYBE I CAN -- MAYBE I CAN PUT TOGETHER A MOTION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE AN ATTORNEY. I AM NOT. YOU ARE AN ATTORNEY, I AM NOT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: LET ME SEE IF I CAN PUT TOGETHER A MOTION THAT GATHERS A CONSENSUS. SO I WILL MOVE THAT -- I WILL MAKE A MOTION BASICALLY -- IT'S A MODIFIED 5-5-1. AS MR. MANISCALCO STATED THE 5 AND THE 5 IS JUST, YOU KNOW STRAIGHTFORWARD. AND THE SINGLE POSITION WOULD BE A NAACP POSITION THAT THEY CAN NOMINATE TO CITY COUNCIL AND WE WILL APPROVE IT BY RESOLUTION. THAT IS THE 11th POSITION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WILL SECOND THAT. AND REMEMBER WE ARE HERE TODAY BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS DISAGREED WITH A 5-2 VOTE. I CAN'T SAY HOW WOULD A MAYOR NOT VOTE FOR THIS OR NOT APPROVE FOR THAT. WE ARE AT A STALEMATE AND WE ARE HERE IN A NEGOTIATION. I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. THE 5-5 WITH THE ONE YOU DESCRIBED AS THE NAACP. >>ORLANDO GUDES: REPEAT THE MOTION, MR. DINGFELDER. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: FIVE APPOINTMENTS BY THE MAYOR, FIVE APPOINTMENTS BY COUNCIL, AND THE 11th APPOINTMENT WOULD BE NOMINATED BY THE LOCAL NAACP BOARD, PROVIDED TO US, CITY COUNCIL, AND CITY COUNCIL WILL APPROVE IT BY RESOLUTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: EXACTLY, SECOND. >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T THROW OFF THE BALANCE HERE. DOES THAT HAVE ANY CONSULTATION WITH ANY OTHER OFFICE OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE IN TERMS OF THE MAKER OF THE MOTION? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I AM -- >>LUIS VIERA: LIKE WITH -- IN >>HN DGFELDER: I MEAN IN CONSULTATION WITH THE NAACP. THEY ARE GOING TO NOMINATE SOMEBODY. >>LUIS VIERA: AND WE APPROVE IT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THEY SEND IT TO CITY COUNCIL AND WE P PRIV.BY RESOLUTION. WE APPROVE IT BY RESOLUTION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>BILL CARLSON: THE PART YOU LEFT OUT WAS THE MAYOR IMPROVING IT. WAS THAT INTENTIONAL. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HATE TO INSCRIBE ANY INTENT TO ANYBODY. IT IS WHAT IT IS AS WE SAY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUSTOR COUNCIL'S CLARITY, THAT ALSO THE APPOINTMENT OF THE MEMBER OF THE NAACP IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOUR ORDINANCE PRESENTLY READS. IT STATES AS FOLLOWS: ONE OF WHICH SHALL BE A MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF COLORED PEOPLE, NAACP. IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING -- IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT -- >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I AGREE WITH YOU, MR. SHELBY. AND I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION. A MEMBER OF THE NAACP AS RECOMMENDED BY THE BOARD OF THE NAACP AND PROVIDED TO THE COUNCIL AND THIS COUNCIL WILL APPROVE THAT OR SEND IT BACK IF WE DON'T APPROVE IT, WE WOULD SEND IT BACK TO THE NAACP. AND TELL THEM TO SEND US ANOTHER ONE. I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE TO APPROVE WHAT THEY SEND US. THIS IS INHERENT IN OUR VOTE, BUT THAT WOULD BE BY RESOLUTION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION ON THE FLOOR, MR. DINGFELDER. SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO. MR. MIRANDA, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED FOR DISCUSSION. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I DON'T KNOW IF MR. BENNETT WANTS TO SPEAK. HE SPRUNG UP. HE MIGHT WANT TO GO TO THE MIC. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. BENNETT. >> AS I UNDERSTAND THE MOTION, I WOULD AGREE WITH EVERYTHING EXCEPT LEAVING THE MAYOR OUT OF THE CONFIRMATION BECAUSE THAT MAKES IT A DEFOUGHT 6-5. -- A DEFAULT 6-5. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME UNDERSTAND THIS A BIT. THIS IS LIKE COLOMBO CHASING A CASE, YOU WALK IN, WALK OUT, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON AND YOU ALREADY FIGURED IT OUT. SO THE MAYOR IS GOING TO RECOMMEND AND WE ARE GOING TO CONFIRM BY RESOLUTION -- >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO OPINION THAT IS NOT THE MOTION. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: GOTCHA. SEE THAT COLO MBO. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHERE IS YOUR RAINCOAT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IN THE OLD CAR THAT I DRIVE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: BEFORE YOU CLARIFY, LET ME MAKE ONE POINT, BECAUSE MR. BENNETT KEEPS POPPING UP. JUST HOW WE ARE MEETING HERE WITH THAT LAST APPOINTMENT, WHY CAN'T ALL EIGHT OF US -- I M MEAN, THAT LAST PERSON. WHY CAN'T ALL EIGHT? WHY CAN'T ALL EIGHT OF US MEET. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SHE IS NOT PART OF OUR LEGISLATIVE BODY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: A DISCUSSION -- KEEP THE BALANCE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. I KNOW WHERE WE ARE GOING. JUST THROWING THAT AT YOU, SIR. MR. VIERA? >>LUIS VIERA: I MEAN -- >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WANT TO BRING THIS FOR A LANDING. >>LUIS VIERA: I AGREE. SUCH A TN CONSULTATION. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE SLF-DEFEATING. A FIVE-MINUTE RECESS? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T THINK THAT IS HEALTHY. I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD WONDER WHY ARE WE RECESSING. ARE WE RECESSING TO TALK WITH EACH OTHER? >>LUIS VIERA: NO, JUST TO BE CLEAR, ABSOLUTELY NOT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. BENNETT? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: A MOTION ON THE FLOOR AND CLARIFY IT TO MR. MIRANDA. MR. MIRANDA, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION THAT THAT -- THAT 11th SEAT, THE NAACP BOARD SELECTS ONE OF THEIR NAACP MEMBERS. THEY SEND THAT OVER AS THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO US. AND WE WOULD APPROVE IT OR DENY IT BY RESOLUTION ONLY. OKAY. IF WE DENY IT, WE WILL ASK THEM TO SEND ANOTHER NAME. AND THAT'S IT. THAT IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR WITH A SECOND. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET ME ASK THIS IF I MAY. AND I AM NOT QUESTIONING YOUR MOTIVE, MR. DINGFELDER. SO JUST BY NAME. ARE WE GOING TO HAVE AN INVESTIGATION OF THAT PERSON? >>JOHN DINELDE THE PERSON HAS TO QUALIFY BY ALL THE OTHER CHARACTER STACKS THAT ARE IN MISS GRIMES. THE ORDINANCE THAT MISS GRIMES HAS PUT FORTH. ALL THOSE OTHER CHARACT CHARACTERISTICS. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOW WE ARE GOING INTO THE INTERNAL OPERATION OF AN AGENCY THAT WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH. THEY REPRESENT THE PUBLIC JUST LIKE WE DO. BUT THEY ARE ENTITLED TO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE. AND THE BOARD VOTES ON IT AS I HEARD EARLIER FROM THIS COU COUNCIL. WHOEVER THEY RECOMMEND WOULD BE THE ACCEPTABLE PARTY. NOW WE ARE SAYING WE MAY NOT ACCEPT THE ACCEPTABLE PARTY BECAUSE OF WHATEVER REASON AND IT HAVEN'T BEEN ELABORATED WHAT THE REASON IS. WE REJECT THE PARTY. BUT BEFORE IT WAS THE MAYOR MAKING A CHOICE AND THAT IS CONFIRMING. NOW IT IS -- WHY DO WE CONVOLUTE -- ORDERING SPAGHETTI AND GETTING A FILET MIGNON. YOU GET WHAT YOU ORDER. WHAT ARE WE ORDERING HERE? >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. BENNETT. >> I REALLY BELIEVE WITH A FULL HEART FELT INTEREST IN EVERY PARTY ARE BOTH LEGISLATIVE ADMINISTRATIVE BODIES, EXECUTIVE BODY AND THE PUBLIC AND SPECIAL INTEST OUP, IF IT WAS CHANNELLED AS A RECOMMENDATION THROUGH THE MAYOR'S OFFICE AND COUNCIL CONFIRMED IT, WOULD YOU SEND UP IN THE SAME THING -- END UP IN THE SAME THING WITH THE BALANCED APPROACH OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO WITH THE CRB AND IT ACTUALLY IS VERY ORGANIC AND FULLY TRANSPARENT. WOULDN'T BE LIKE COUNCIL DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION OF THAT NAME, BUT JUST BE CONFIRMED BY -- AND -- AND RECOMMENDED BY THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL CONFIRMS IT. IT DOES REVERSE WHAT WE TALKED WITH MONDAY BUT GIVES COUNCIL THE FINAL SAY TO PUT THAT PERSON ON THE BOARD AND I THINK THE MAYOR,LL THEY ARE DOING IS FORWARDING THAT RECOMMENDATION FROM THE NAACP TO DOWN MAKE THE CONFIRMATION. AND THIS CREATES THE BALANCE WITH THE COUNCIL HAVING THE FINAL -- FINAL CONFIRMATION OF THE PERSON ON THE NAACP. IT SEEMS MORE LIKE A PROCESS TO ME THAT ENDS IN THE SAME RE RESULT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I SAW MR. VIERA. THEN MR. CARLSON. >>LUIS VIERA: THAT IS ALL I WAS TRYING TO GET THROUGH MY COMMENT THAT THE FINAL RESTS WITH TAMPA CITY COUNCIL ON THAT VOTE. NOT ANY RADICAL, YOUNOW, DEPARTURE FROM WHAT OUR MONDAY AGREEMENT IS. THAT IS WHAT I AM WORRIED ABOUT. MONDAY, WE HAD TWO OPTIONS, AND NOW WE ARE GOING OFF AND THIS IS GOING TO GO ON A TRAIN RIDE I DON'T THINK ANY OF US IN INTENDED TO GO ON. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, ASAW YOUR HAND. >>BILL CARLSON: I CAN'T SPEAK FOR MR. DINGFELDER. IF THE REST OF YOU GOT CALLS LIKE I GOT UNTIL 11:00 LAST NIGHT. I AM BEEN GETTING THEM NONSTOP FROM EVERYBODY. THE PEOPLE WHO SPOKE THISY MORNING WANT -- THEY FEEL LIKE THEY COMPROMISED WAY MORE THAN THE OTHER SIDE. AND THEY FEEL LIKE 7-4 IS A HUGE COMPROMISE AS THEY SAID IN SOME OTHER CITIES THE MAYOR HAS ONE OR TWO APPOINTMENTS AND 7 7-4, THERE WOULD BE FOUR. THEY ARE AGAINST A 5-5-5. THE PART I CAN'T SPEAK FOR YOU BUT I IMAGINE IS, IF -- IF IT -- IF THE CITY COUNCIL IS CONFIRMING THE NAACP, THEN AT LEAST IT -- IT IN A WAY GIVES THE COMMUNITY ONE MORE VOTE. IT IS NOT WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS. THE COMMUNITY WOULD RATHER HAVE 7-4 AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THEY ASKED FOR OR 9-2 OR SOMETHING. ANYWAY, IT'S -- IF -- IF WE WERE -- IF WE ARE GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY UNHAPPY WHATEVER WE DO, BUT THAT -- IF THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED IT, IT WOULD -- IT WOULD LIKE THE COMMUNITY SLIGHTLY MORE HAPPY THAN JUST 5-5-1. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I AM GOING TO BE HONEST JUST HEARING THE DISCUSSIONS AND HEARING EVERYBODY TALK, I DON'T SEE A 7-4 PASSING. HEARING THE COMMENTS RIGHT NOW. I DO HEAR THE 5-5 AND THE 1. WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF COUNCIL APPOINTING THE ONE. I DO HEAR THAT. SO THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR. DINGFELDER. MADAM CLERK. CAN YOU RESTATE THE MOTION, MR. DINGFELDER. DINGFELDER MADE THE MOTION AND MANISCALCO SECONDED. >>CLERK: YES. IT IS -- HOLD ON. LET ME GO BACK. A MEMBER OF THE NAACP RECOMMENDED BY THE BOARD OF THE -- OF THE NAACP AND COUNCIL DOES NOT APPROVE, THEN IT WOULD BE SENT BACK WITH THE REQUEST WTH ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION AND IT WILL BE APPROVED BY A RESOLUTION. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JOE, WOULD YOU -- WERE YOU LOOK >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WANTED TO REINFORCE WHAT MR. CARLSON SAID. I WAS PREPARED TO COME HERE TODAY TO SAY LET'S PASS THE MAY VOTE, WHICH WAS 7-4-1, THAT HAD FIVE VOTES. THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR TODAY IS A SIGNIFICANT COMPROMISE FROM THE 7-4-1 THAT FIVE MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL VOTED FOR IN MAY. I'M STATING THAT FOR THE PUBLIC TO HEAR, BUT I'M ALSO STATING THAT FOR THE ADMINISTRATION TO HEAR LOUD AND CLEAR, AND WE DIDN'T AGREE ON ANYTHING ON MONDAY. WE PUT OTHER IDEAS ON THE TABLE TO BRING BACK TODAY, BUT THERE WAS NO HARD AND FAST VOTE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU'RE CORRECT. YOU'RE CORRECT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. ANYWAY, I AM PERSONALLY RECEIVING FROM THE 7-4-1, AND I'M WILLING TO SUPPORT THIS COMPROMISE OF THE 5-5-1 AS MODIFIED TODAY. >>JOHN BENNETT: TRUST ME, I'M NOT TRYING TO HAVE THE LAST WORD. I WILL SAY THAT THE MAY WEN FROM 7-4 TO 5-5-1. SHE DID THE SAME THING TO INITIATE THE BALANCE OF THE BOARD. I ALSO WANT TO SAY, AND I APPRECIATE MR. CARLSON RECOGNIZING THAT, THAT THIS ENTIRE THING IS BALANCED ON A RIP AND REPLACE FROM THE PREVIOUS SIX YEARS TO GIVE A NEW START IN A VERY BALANCED, UNBIASED AND PROGRESSIVE WAY. I KEEP USING THOSE THREE WORDS. THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS A 6-5, AND IT IS NOT SUPPORTED BY THE ADMINISTRATION. >>JO DINGFELDER: ALL RIGHT. I CALL THE QUESTION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: EXCUSE ME. IF YOU'RE CALLING THE QUESTION, I WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I HEAR YOUR PROCEDURAL CONCERNS. MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE ARE READY TO VOTE ON SOMETHING MR. DINGFELDER JUST SPOKE ABOUT, AM I CORRECT? WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE 6-5, RIGHT? IF I MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, THAT MOTION TAKES OVER THE CURRENT MOTION ON THE FLOOR, AM I CORRECT? >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU'RE RECOGNIZED, MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE, AND I WILL CONFIRM ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER CAN ENTERTAIN A SUBSTITUTE MOTION. THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION DOES REQUIRE A SECOND, AND THAT DOES REQUIRE A VOTE WHETHER TO TAKE UP THE SUBSTITUTION. IF THE SUBSTITUTION PASSES, THEN THE ORIGINAL MOTION IS REPLACED. AND IF IT DOESN'T, THEN IT'S NOT SUBSTITUTED. I JUST HAVE TO LOOK THAT UP. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO SUBSTITUTE THE DOCUMENT LABELED EXHIBIT A, 6.17.21, WHICH IS THE NAACP CLEAR FOR EXHIBIT A, CURRENTLY ATTACHED TO THE ORDINANCE LISTED AS ITEM 64 ON TODAY'S COUNCIL, JUNE 17th AGENDA, TO MOVE TO SUBSTITUTE REVISION FOR THE 5-5-1 WITH THE ONE BEING FROM THE NAACP, CONFIRMED BY THIS COUNCIL, APPROVED BY THE MAYOR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECONDED BY MR. CITRO. MR. SHELBY, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED AND WE'LL GO TO MR. VIERA. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS UNDER ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER, IT'S CALLED AMEND A PENDING MOTION THAT THE SUBSIDIARY MOTION. IT DOES REQUIRE A SECOND, IT HAS BEEN. IF THE MOTION IS AMENDABLE, I BELIEVE IT'S DEBATABLE AS WELL AND IT REQUIRES A MAJORITY VOTE FOR THAT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S FOR FIRST READING MR. CHAIRMAN. IF YOU PASS IT TODAY ON FIRST READING, TWO WEEKS MIGHT HAVE THE SECOND READING. IT IS THE SAME ONE. SAME THING WE'VE DONE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. NORMALLY THAT WOULD BE THE CASE, COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, BUT BECAUSE OF COUNCIL'S SUMMER RECESS, THE SECOND READING, AND THE CLERK CAN CONFIRM THAT, WOULD BE JULY 15th, AM I CORRECT, MADAM CLERK? >>THE CLERK: THAT IS CORRECT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU. >>JOHN BENNETT: GO ON THE RECORD, THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO POTENTIALLY CHANGE THE ORIGINAL MOTION WITH A FIRST READING, THE ADMINISTRATION DOES SUPPORT THAT. HOWEVER, IF THERE WAS A FUTURE MOTION MADE THAT MADE IT SECOND READING, WE WOULD ALSO SUPPORT THAT. WE BELIEVE IT'S LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WELL, IS THIS A SUBSTANTIVE CHANGE FROM THE FIRST READING? I DON'T KNOW. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MS. GRIMES, CAN YOU CHIME IN? MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY. MS. GRIMES, CAN YOU CHIME IN WHETHER OR NOT MR. MIRANDA'S SUBSTITUTE MOTION, ASSUMING IT PASSES, COULD BE ADOPTED SECOND READING TODAY SINCE IT'S MERELY A CHANGE OF THE EXHIBIT? >>GINA GRIMES: YES, SIR. WE COVERED THIS AT THE MEETING ON MONDAY, AS I SAID THEN, THE CHANGE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING FROM 7-4 TO 5-5-1 COULD BE LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE, BUT IT'S NOT IRONCLAD. ANYTIME YOU MAKE A CHANGE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING, YOU ALWAYS CREATE A RISK OF A CHALLENGE. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT MR. MIRANDA IS TRYING TO GET AT. HE'S TRYING TO ELIMINATE THE RISK OF A CHALLENGE. AND FOR THAT REASON, HE WANTS TO GO BACK TO FIRST READING. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S RIGHT. >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA IS FOR WHAT -- CONFIRMED BY CITY COUNCIL WITH CONSULTATION RECOMMENDATION WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT WITH THE MAYOR, CORRECT? >> CORRECT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MIRANDA, WOULD YOU CONSIDER A FRIENDLY -- A VERY FRIENDLY MODIFICATION? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: LET'S SEE HOW FRIENDLY IT IS. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST DEAL WITH THE MEAT OF YOUR MOTION AND PULL OUT WHETHER OR NOT IT'S FIRST OR SECOND READING, AND LET'S VOTE ON THAT IF IT PASSES. SO THAT WAY COUNCIL CAN DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO BE DONE WITH THIS TODAY OR NOT AS A SEPARATE PART OF YOUR MOTION. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M SORRY. I MISSED IT. TELL ME THAT AGAIN. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IF YOU JUST MAKE THE MOTION, THE SUBSTANTIVE PART, BUT DELETE THE FIRST READING OR SECOND READING PART, SO THAT WAY COUNCIL CAN VOTE ON THAT SEPARATELY BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE, I THINK, WHO WOULD BE GLAD TO BE DONE WITH THIS, EVEN IF THERE IS A SLIGHT RISK. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I UNDERSTAND. BUT MY FEELIN, MR. DINGFELDER, WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS EXERCISE TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN. AND I REALLY WANT TO NARROW IT DOWN TO WHERE THERE IS NO RISK. ANYTIME YOU TAKE A GAMBLE ON SOMETHING, WE SPENT A LONG TIME. EUBLIC HAS LISTENED TO THIS FOR MANY, MANY MONTHS, NOT WEEKS, BUT MONTHS, AND THEY ARE ENTITLED TO HAVE SOME UNIFICATION, IF IT PASSES OR DOESN'T PASS. THEY ARE ENTITLED TO THAT. AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR ALL OF US. BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING -- YOU CAN'T EVEN GO TO A COFFEE SHOP AND THEY TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE. IT IS WHAT IT IS. I JUST WANT TO GET ALL THE RISK OUT. TO SAY IT HAPPENED OR DIDN'T HAPPEN THIS WAY. AND THAT'S ALL I WANT. THE PUBLIC HAS HEARD THIS ENOUGH. IT'S BEENORE LIKELY NATIONAL NEWS AS FAR AS WE KNOW. IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE WITH US AT LEAST FOR THE END OF OUR TERM IN OFFICE. BELIEVE ME, THESE WILL BE THINGS THAT WILL BE TALKED ABOUT DURING THE ELECTION. THERE'S NO DOUBT IN MY MIND BECAUSE IT IS THE NERVE THAT TOUCHES THE FEELINGS OF EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY FOR OR AGAINST. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. SHELBY, SINCE MY FRIENDLY AMENDMENT WASN'T WELL RECEIVED, I'D LIKE TO OFFER A SUBSTITUTE MOTION ON TOP OF MR. MIRANDA'S SUBSTITUTE MOTION, WHICH IS JUST TO TWEAK HIS SLIGHTLY AND SAY THAT IT WOULD BE SECOND READING TODAY. AND I'M JUST ASKING YOU PROCEDURALLY, CAN I MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION ON TOP OF A SUBSTITUTE MOTION? I'M NOT TRYING TO ADDRESS THE MERITS OR THE SUBSTANCE OF THE MOTION. I'M JUST SAYING PROCEDURALLY, I CAN'T HELP BUT THINK THAT WE WANT SOME FINALITY TODAY. THAT'S PURELY A PROCEDURAL QUESTION. CAN I MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION ON A SUBSTITUTE MOTION? >>MARTIN SHELBY: A SUBSTITUTE OF A SUBSTITUTE? WELL, JUST FROM AN UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS HAPPENING STANDPOINT, THAT'S PROBLEMATIC. AND IF MR. MASSEY IS THERE, MR. MASSEY IS WELL VERSED TO BACK ME UP ON THIS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO MISSPEAK OF SOMETHING OF SUCH GREAT IMPORT TO THE COUNCIL AND TO THE ADMINISTRATION AND TO THE PUBLIC, BUT THE ANSWER WOULD BE TO SEE IF THAT SUBSTITUTE PASSES, THAT SUBSTITUTE MAY BE AMENDABLE AS WELL, AND THAT MIGHT BE A SUBSEQUENT MOTION. I DON'T THINK YOU COULD HAV - I'M NOT SURE, BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T SIT RIGHT WITH ME TO HAVE A SUBSIDIARY MOTION OF A SUBSIDIARY MOTION AND AT WHAT POINT DOES THAT STOP? I THINK YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR. THAT'S MR. MIRANDA'S. I THINK YOU SHOULD TAKE THAT UP. IF HIS MOTION IS STILL IN NEED OF TWEAKING, THEN YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND AND SEE IF THAT SUFFICES. THAT WOULD BE MY BEST RECOMMENDATION, AT LEAST THEN EVERYBODY CAN FOLLOW WHAT'S GOING ON. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S FINE. YOU'RE SAYING THAT MOTION CAN BE RAISED AFTER, IF IT PASSES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF IT PASSES. THE KEY NOW, THAT MOTION OF MR. MIRANDA WILL TAKE -- THIS VOTE IS DETERMINATIVE ABOUT WHICH OF THOSE TWO MOTIONS, THE ORIGINAL OR MR. MIRANDA'S, WILL TAKE PRECEDENCE AND COME TO THE FLOOR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MADAM CLERK, READ THE MOTION AGAIN. MR. MIRANDA. SECONDED BY MR. CITRO. >>THE CLERK: MOVE TO SUBSTITUTE REVISION FOR THE 5-5-1 WITH THE 1 BEING THE NAACP TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND CONFIRMED BY THE MAYOR. >>BILL CARLSON: ARE WE VOTING TO VOTE ON THE AMENDMENT OR ARE WE VOTING ON THE ACTUAL SUBSTANCE OF IT? >>ORLANDO GUDES: SUBSTITUTE MOTION BY -- [INAUDIBLE] >>BILL CARLSON: ARE WE VOTING TO APPROVE THAT WE WANT TO VOTE ON THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION OR ARE WE VOTING FOR THE SUBSTITUTE MOTION -- >>ORLANDO GUDES: [SITTING AWAY FROM THE MICROPHONE] >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU'RE VOTING, THAT IS AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION. VOTING NOT ON THE -- YOU ARE VOTING TO A SUBSTITUTION THAT WAS ON THE FLOOR. YOU STILL HAVE TO TAKE THAT% MOTION. >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK THAT BOTH OFHESEILL WIND UP HAVING THE VERY SAME OUTCOME. THAT'S WHAT FRUSTRATES ME. BOTH OF THESE WILL HAVE THE SAME OUTCOME. IF YOU VOTE YES ON THIS ONE, IT WILL HAVE THE SAME OUTCOME AS PART TWO. THERE SEEMS TO BE A NARRATIVE AFTER MONDAY, BUT I THINK BOTH OF THESE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME OUTCOME. FRANKLY, THEY CAN HAVE THE SAME VOTES. WHATEVER. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MADAM CLERK, I'M CALLING FOR THE ROLL CALL VOTE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO. >>BILL CARLSON: NO. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER, MANISCALCO, AND CARLSON VOTING NO. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT IS NOW THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK HIS MOTION JUST MOOTED MY MOTION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT IS THE MOTION BY THE SECOND ON THE FLOOR. WHO IS THE SECONDER OF THAT MOTION? >>LUIS VIERA: I NEED TO TAKE A PHONE CALL. IT'S 12:40. CAN WE HAVE A QUICK RECESS FIVE MINUTES? I NEED TO TAKE A PHONE CALL FOR WORK. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOUR PHONE CALL FROM WORK. IT'S WORK RELATED. >>LUIS VIERA: LEGAL WORK. >>ORLANDO GUDES: FIVE-MINUTE RECESS. [RECESS] CHARACTER CLERK CARLSON? >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.% >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE. >>LUIS VIERA: HERE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE. >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY QUICKLY,. JUST FOR THE PUBLIC, 1:30, I'VE GOT TO JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. FOR THE SAKE OF BRINGING US BACK TO WHERE WE WERE, WILL THE CLERK PLEASE STATE WHAT THE MOTION IS ON THE FLOOR ANDHO MADE IT AND WHO SECONDED IT? >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION WAS MADE BY MIRANDA AND SECONDED BY CITRO TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A SUBSTITUTE REVISION OF THE 5-5-1 WITH THE 1 BEING THE NAACP BOARD MEMBER TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND CONFIRMED BY THE MAYOR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT DID WE DO PROCEDURALLY BEFORE? >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WAS IT. TO TAKE YOUR MOTION OFF THE FLOOR, MR. DINGFELDER AND REPLACE IT WITH MR. MIRANDA'S MOTION. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MY MOTION IS NOW OFF THE FLOOR? >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, IT IS. IT WAS SUBSTITUTED. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MADAM CLERK, MAYOR MAKES A RECOMMENDATION AND THIS COUNCIL APPROVES -- >>THE CLERK: NO. THE NAACP NOMINATES THEIR BOARD MEMBER, YOU APPROVE IT, AND THEN THE MAYOR CONFIRMS IT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA, I KNOW YOU HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. WOULD YOU BE AMENDABLE TO A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT, SIR? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'M AMENABLE TO ANYTHING. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I CAN BRING IT TO AANDI. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CLARITY. WHERE WE RECOMMEND SOMETHING TO THE MAYOR, I HAVE YET SEEN ONE MAYOR REJECT IT. EVER. JUST GIVE ME ONE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I WOULD ASK A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. WE DO A SWITCH. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YOU WANT ME TO READ AN ORDINANCE? >>ORLANDO GUDES: IF YOU DO A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT WE SWITCHED TO WHERE THE MAYOR RECOMMENDS AND WE APPROVE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S FINE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE SECONDER -- I'M SORRY. THAT WAS AN AMENDMENT AND A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION. THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE SECONDER OF THE MOTION AGREES WITH THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT OR DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A VOTE ON THAT MOTION TO AMEND? >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, IT'S A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S FINE. I TAKE IT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MIRANDA MADE THE MOTION. MR. CITRO SECONDED IT. YOU CAN HAVE THE GAVEL. >>MARTIN SHELBY: UNLESS -- >>ORLANDO GUDES: I DID A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. HE ACCEPTED IT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU JUST SECONDED IT. HE'S ALL GOOD. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: RIGHT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE SECONDER OF A MOTION IS? >>ORLANDO GUDES: CITRO. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DON'T HEAR ANY OBJECTION FROM COUNCIL SO THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT IS ACCEPTED. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT. WE'LL TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO. >>BILL CARLSON: NO. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER MANISCALCO AND CARLSON VOTING NO. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIR, MAY I BE RECOGNIZED? THANK YOU. MADAM CLERK, THEN, THAT WAS A MOTION TO SUBSTITUTE EXHIBIT A. >>THE CLERK: THAT IS CORRECT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: SO NOW WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU THEN IS THE SUBSTITUTE VERSION. AND DO YOU HAVE -- I DON'T BELIEVE YOU HAVE A CLEAN COPY OF EXHIBIT A YET, DO YOU? THAT WAS JUST MADE. AND -- OKAY. SO THERE IS A CLEAN COPY. AND IT WAS UP THERE. NOW IT HAS TO BE CHANGED NOW, AND IT'S BEING WORKED ON BY THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND WILL BE BROUGHT DOWN, THE CLEAN VERSION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO. YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. CHAIR, ON ANY ORDINANCE BEFORE US RIGHT NOW -- I WISH TO STRIKE THE WORDS SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATION AND INPUT THE NAACP, THAT THERE BE NO DISCUSSION ON W ITS GOING TO BE, BUT THE MEMBER THAT WILL COME UP ON THAT ONE VOTE WILL BE FROM THE NAACP, IF I MAY FINISH. THAT I HAVE NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT THE NAACP WILL FIGHT FOR ALL PEOPLES OF COLOR NO MATTER WHAT THE COLOR BE, AND THEY WILL ALSO FIGHT JUST AS HARD FOR ANY SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR ANY RELIGION. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, MR. CHAIRMAN. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING I BELIEVE BY MR. MIRANDA'S MOTION, AND I MAY BE WRONG, AND IT MAY REQUIRE CLARIFICATION FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT, BUT BY HIS MOTION, I BELIEVE IT WENT BACK TO THE NAACP, WHICH REPLACES THE LANGUAGE SOCIAL JUSTICE AND CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION. IT SHOULD BE BEING PREPARED RIGHT NOW BY THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. WITH REGARD TO ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, JUST WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION GENERALLY IN D-1, NOW THE SECOND PARAGRAPH STATES WHEN APPOINTING MEMBERS TO THE CRB, THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL SHALL CONSIDER THE EXISTING DIVERSITY COMPOSITION OF THE CRB AND SHALL ENDEAVOR TO APPOINT INDIVIDUALS FROM DIFFERENT RACIAL, ETHNIC, GENDER, NATIONAL ORIGIN, SOCIOECONOMIC, AGE, OR RELIGIOUS BACKGROUNDS. THAT IS THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS DRAFTED, AND IT APPEARS IN THIS ORDINANCE. I THINK THAT ADDRESSES -- I THINK THAT WOULD ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS, UNLESS TRE'S SOMETHING ELSE YOU WISH TO ADD. >>JOSEPH CITRO: WORD THERE WAS CONSIDER. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, THAT'S THE WORD. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS ASKING TO BE RECOGNIZED. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MS. ZELMAN. >>ANDREA ZELMAN: THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING ON AN ORDINANCE TO MATCH YOUR DIRECTIONS THIS MORNING, AND WE PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE IT BROUGHT BACK IN MOMENTS. >>BILL CARLSON: COULD THE CLERK OR SOMEBODY REPEAT BACK TO US WITH ALL THE ADDITIONS AND CHANGES AND EVERYTHING SO THAT WE AND THE PUBLIC KNOW CLEARLY WHAT THIS IS? >>ORLANDO GUDES: MADAM DEPUTY CLERK. >>BILL CARLSON: NOT JUST THE LAST PART, BUT THE MOTION THAT MR. MIRANDA MADE, THE AMENDMENT, AND THEN ALSO THIS PART SO WE >>THE CLERK: OKAY. WHAT I HAVE IS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SUBSTITUTE REVISION FOR THE 5-5-1 WITH NAACP NOMINATING MEMBER OF THEIR BOARD AND THE MAYOR RECOMMENDS THAT PERSON AND COUNCIL WILL APPROVE. IN ADDITION, MARTY, COULD YOU CLARIFY THE REPLACEMENT OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION WITH THE NAACP? >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE SOCIAL JUSTICE AND -- THE SOCIAL JUSTICE ORGANIZATION AND CIVIL RIGHTS ORGANIZATION, REVERTING BACK TO THE PREVIOUS NAACP SET FORTH. AND THEN THAT WOULD CLARIFY THAT. BY THE WAY, COUNCIL, IN ORDER TO HAVE THE SUBSTITUTE ACCEPTED, OBVIOUSLY, IT'S ALREADY BEEN MADE AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL HAVE COPIES OF IT. THAT'S GOING TO BE BROUGHT DOWN FROM THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT SO YOU WILL SEE THE LANGUAGE RIGHT THERE BEFORE YOU CAST YOUR VOTE AS TO WHAT THE EXHIBIT IS SO YOU'RE CLEAR, EACH OF YOU. WELL, THE QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED OF WHETHER WE NEED TO WAIT FOR IT. HASN'T BEEN A PHYSICAL SUBSTITUTION. YOU DON'T HAVE THAT IN YOUR POSSESSION YET, DO YOU, MADAM CLERK? >>THE CLERK: I DO NOT. >>MARTIN SHELBY: NORMALLY THE CLERK DOES ACCEPT A SUBSTITUTE BEFORE COUNCIL VOTES ON THE SUBSTITUTE, IS THAT CORRECT? >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT IS BEST- PRACTICE IN THIS CASE, MADAM CLERK? >>THE CLERK: MY SUGGESTION AT THIS TIME IS MAYBE TAKE A BREAK AND ALLOW LEGAL TO CREATE THE DOCUMENT. AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THEO ORDINANCE AND WE'LL HAVE IT IN HAND. >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST A REMINDER AGAIN, COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA, I BELIEVE YOU SAY YOU HAVE TO LEAVE BY 1:30, IS THAT CORRECT? >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR. WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET IT ALL DONE BY THEN. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST PROCEDURALLY, IF I COULD, SO THE ISSUE CAME UP EARLIER WHETHER OR NOT THIS COUNCIL -- THIS COUNCIL WANTS THIS TO BE SECOND READING AND BE DONE WITH IT TODAY OR DO WE WANT TO GO THROUGH ALL THIS ALL OVER AGAIN, BECAUSE WE WILL, OKAY, FOR SECOND READING IN JULY. I MIGHT NOT BE HAPPY WITH THE RESULT THAT WE END UP WITH TODAY, BUT AS SOMEBODY SAID EARLIER, PERHAPS THAT'S THE RESULT OF NEGOTIATIONS AND ET CETERA, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT I DON'T WANT TO COME BACK IN JULY AND REHASH ALL THIS. BUT IT WILL BE REHASHED AS LONG ASE LEAVE THAT DOOR OPEN. I THINK BOTH OUR LEGAL COUNSEL AND LEGAL COUNSEL UPSTAIRS HAS SAID WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ON SECOND READING BECAUSE IT WAS NOT A MAJOR CHANGE. IT DID NOT CHANGE THE TITLE. WE JUST TWEAKED UP AROUND THE EDGES. AND THEREFORE, I WOULD URGE COUNCIL, AND I WOULD MAKE A MOTION RIGHT NOW THAT THIS WOULD BE FOR APPROVAL ON SECOND READING. I MEAN, I'M NOT MAKING A MOTION TO VOTE FOR IT, BUT I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO -- THAT WHATEVER WE MOVE FORWARD WITH TODAY WE DO IT ON SECOND READING, AND I'D LIKE THAT AS A SEPARATE VOTE AND A SEPARATE MOTION. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION. >GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'LL SECOND THAT. I THINK IT'S LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE AND EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED AT SECOND READING SHOULD BE SAFE AND FINE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: [INAUDIBLE] SECONDED BY MR. MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR? >>MARTIN SHELBY: CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THAT, PLEASE? MAKE SURE.RA: QUICK QUESTION TO GLAD TO VOTE FOR THIS. MAKE SURE WITH MS. GRIMES THAT GOING FORWARD ON SECOND READING TODAY POSES NO -- >>JOHN DINGFELDER: [INAUDIBLE] TINY RISK. >>LUIS VIERA: I'M FINE WITH THAT. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BRIEFLY, GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH ON VERBIAGE. WE HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH ON UNDERSTANDING. WE HAVE GONE BACK AND FTH WITH CHIEF BENNETT ON THE THIS, THE THAT, AND THE OTHERS. WE HAVE PEOPLE OUT IN THE AUDIENCE THAT MAY NOT UNDERSTAND FULLY WHAT IS GOING ON. WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT EVEN WATCHING THIS THAT WANT TO KNOW THAT MAY NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT'S FULLY GOING ON. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS EVERYTHING, HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO CALL US, E-MAIL US. I WOULD PREFER THIS GOING BACK TO FIRST READING. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MART SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU'RE RECOGNIZED SIR. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU. MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. THE LANGUAGE OF THE SUBSTITUTE IS BEING PRINTED UP RIGHT NOW FOR CITY COUNCIL. YOU'LL HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU. IF CITY COUNCIL WISHES, I CAN READ TO THE PUBLIC EXACTLY WHAT THAT SECTION SAYS SO THAT EVERYBODY WILL HEAR IT, IF THAT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THAT WOULD BE FINE, MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU. READING FROM MEMBERSHIP AND ORGANIZATION, WHICH IS D, SUB1. I'LL READ SUB 1 IN ITS ENTIRETY. THE CRB SHALL HEREAFTER CONSIST OF 11 VOTING MEMBERS, MEMBERS, WITH FIVE VOTING MEMBERS APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL. AND ONE VOTING MEMBER NOMINATED BY THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF COLORED PEOPLE, NAACP, WHO SHALL BE A MEMBER OF THE NAACP AND WHO SHALL BE RECOMMENDED BY THE MAYOR AND SUBJECT T CONFIRMATION BY CITY COUNCIL. PERSONS APPOINTED TO THE CRB ARE VOLUNTEERS AND SHALL RECEIVE NO COMPENSATION. NEXT PARAGRAPH. WHEN APPOINTING MEMBERS TO THE CRB, THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL SHALL CONSIDER THE EXISTING DIVERSITY COMPOSITION OF THE CRB AND SHALL ENDEAVOR TO APPOINT INDIVIDUALS FROM DIFFERENT RACIAL ETHNIC GENDER NATIONAL ORIGIN SOCIOECONOMIC AGE OR RELIGIOUS BACKGROUNDS. THAT IS D-1 IN ITS ENTIRETY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: SATISFIED WITH THAT GENTLEMEN? WE'LL TAK U THE MOTION OF THE SECOND READING NOW, MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I CAN GIVE THIS TO THE CLERK. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, MR. DINGFELDER. THE SECOND WAS -- >>THE CLERK: MR. MANISCALCO. >>MARTIN SHELBY: [NOT SPEAKING INTO A MICROPHONE] FOR THE RECORD MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY. I HAVE RECEIVED FROM THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT A CLEAN COPY OF THE EXHIBIT A THAT REFLECTS AS I JUST READ, COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA'S MOTION AND VOTE OF COUNCIL. AND NOW THAT SUBSTITUTE HAS BEEN ACCEPTED. SO IF COUNCIL WANTS TO WAIT FOR THE COPIES, THEY ARE FORTHCOMING, BUT IF COUNCIL IS SATISFIED BASED ON WHAT I READ, A MOTION NOW WITH FINALITY, IF COUNCIL WISHES TO DO IT, AGAIN, WAS THERE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR WITH REGARD TO FIRST AND SECOND READING? THAT IS THE FIRST ITEM TO TAKE UP THEN WITH THAT MOTION ON THE FLOOR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THERE IS A MOTION ON T FLOOR BY MR. DINGFELDER AND SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: AGAIN, FOR SECOND READING. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO AND MIRANDA VOTING NO. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT HAPPENS NOW, COUNCIL, IS YOU HAVE THIS ON YOUR AGENDA. IT IS NOW A SUBSTITUTE FOR NUMBER 64, AND IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE THEN TO MOVE THE SUBSTITUTE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION, AND THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE MOTION AND THEN READ THE ORDINANCE BY TITLE AS IT APPEARS. THE TITLE HAS NOT CHANGED. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE WHEREAS CLAUSES? >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT'S AS IT HAS BEEN. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YOU'VE SEEN IT OR WHAT? >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE EVERYBODY. MY UNDERSTANDING IS ALL OF COUNCIL HAS SEEN IT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: OKAY. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: TAKE UP A MOTION IN REFERENCE TO THE SUBSTITUTE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I COULD HAVE THE ORDINANCE? >>MARTIN SHELBY: DO YOU HAVE IT, MADAM CLERK? YOU HAVE EXHIBIT A, DO YOU HAVE THE TITLE? >>THE CLERK: IT'S ON THE AGENDA. IT'S THE SAME TITLE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: NUMBER 64. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WANT TO MAKE SURE I READ THE RIGHT ONE HERE. ITEM 64, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY WHICH ONE IT IS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IN YOUR MOTION, R, U THE WORD "SUBSTITUTE." >>THE CLERK: [INAUDIBLE] >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WHICH ONE IS IT NOW? OKAY. EXHIBIT A IS 6.17-21551 WITH THE BU THIS ONE DOESN'T SAY WHATHIP. ORDINANCE IT IS. OESN'T HAVE A NUMBER. THIS ONE HAS E-2021-8 CHAPTER 18 AS SUBSTITUTE, AM I CORRECT? >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SUBSTITUTE ORDINANCE TO REVIEW -- THIS IS NOT IT. 64, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA FLORIDA SUPERSEDING REPLACING ORDINANCE 2015-121 WHICH RDS SECTION 18-8 CITIZEN REVIEW BOARD FOR THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ADOPTING A NEW SECTION 18-8 CREATING THE CITIZEN POLICE REVIEW BOARD FOR THE TAMPA POLICE DEPARTMENT; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; REPEALING ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT THEREWITH; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THIS IS A 5-5-1. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THE COPIES ARE FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS HOT OFF THE PRESS. WOULD YOU MIND DISTRIBUTING THEM TO COUNCIL, PLEASE? WHAT'S BEING DISTRIBUTED TO YOU IS NOT THE TWO-PAGE ORDINANCE ITSELF, WHICH I BELIEVE THE CLERK HAS, BUT YOU'VE SEEN THAT PREVIOUSLY. WHAT'S BEING DISTRIBUTED TO YOU NOW IS THE REVISED EXHIBIT A, WHICH IS THE SUBSTITUTE. WAS THERE A SECOND AGAIN? >> SECOND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA HAS MOVED THE ORDINANCE AND MR. VIERA HAS SECONDED IT. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO. >>BILL CARLSON: NO. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH DINGFELDER, MANISCALCO, AND CARLSON VOTING NO. >>ORLANDO GUDES: 1:15. STAFF NEEDS TO EAT. THEY NEED A BREAK. MR. BENNETT, I KNOW WE WON'T MAKE IT BACK BY 1:30, SIR. >>JOHN BENNETT: CHIEF OF STAFF. JUST SO I'M CLEAR, ARE YOU GOING TO DO CONSENT AT 1:30 OR STAFF REPORTS AT 1:30? >>MARTIN SHELBY: MAY I FOLLOW UP ON THAT QUESTION, MR. CHAIRMAN, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE PEOPLE HERE WHO ARE STILL WAITING FOR SECOND READS AND A REVIEW HEARING. THE QUESTION IS WHERE IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS DO YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN WAITING ON THE SECOND FLOOR OR MAY BE ONLINE? >>ORLANDO GUDES: THIS IS GOING TO BE A DAY THAT'S KIND OF UNPRECEDENTED BECAUSE A HOT ISSUE TO GET DONE. U'LL HAVTO HAVE THE STAFF MEMBERS STAND ON STANDBY. WE NEED TO COME BACK AND GET THOSE FOLKS OUT OF HERE. WE'LL BE IN RECESS UNTIL 2:00. 2:15. WE'RE IN RECESS UNTIL 2:15. [ SOUNDING GAVEL ] [RECESS] >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ARE BACK IN SESSION. ROLL CALL VOTE, PLEASE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HERE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: HERE. >>LUIS VIERA: HERE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: HERE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOUR MICROPHONE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK WE WANT TO TAKE UP THOSE QUASI-ITEMS, SIR, AND GET THOSE FOLKS OUT OF HERE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: ITEM NUMBER 65 IS A 9:30 PUBLIC HEARING. I BELIEVE THAT THERE WERE NO PEOPLE REGISTERED. JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE WATCHING THIS ON TELEVISION, THE INTERNET IN THE CITY AS WE SPEAK IS NOT WORKING, AND, THEREFORE, THE GO TO MEETING PLATFORM IS OFF-LINE RIGHT NOW, AND WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WITH REGARD TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO PARTICIPATE IN QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS. FOR INSTANCE, CITY STAFF NORMALLY WOULD APPEAR VIRTUALLY, BUT I BELIEVE I HEAR MARY BRYAN TELLING US THAT THEY ARE HEADING OVER TOWARD CITY HALL AS WE SPEAK SO THAT HE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THEIR PRESENTATIONS LIVE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WOULD WE BE BETTER OFF DOING CONSENT RIGHT NOW? >>MARTIN SHELBY: 9:30 PUBLIC HEARING, NUMBER 65, YOU COULD OPEN THAT AND TAKE THAT BECAUSE THOSE FOLKS HAVE BEEN WAITING ON TWO DOWN STAIRS SINCE THIS MORNING. I DON'T THINK ERIC COTTON NEEDS TO BE HERE ON NUMBER 65? OH, DOES HE HAVE TO TESTIFY AS TO THE CHANGES BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING. THAT MIGHT BE. IF HE'S ON HIS WAY OVER, MAYBE WE SHOULD HOLD THAT. WE CAN DO THE CONSENT DOCKET, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT, GENTLEMEN. MR. SHELBY, WE SHOULD STILL BE ABLE TO TAKE UP NUMBER 5 AND 6. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THE STAFF ON THOSE ITEMS, YOU CAN. FRANKLY, THERE'S NO NEED TO UNLESS YOU FEEL THERE ARE QUESTIONS OR YOU WANT A PRESENTATION OF SORTS. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK WE'RE READY TO MOVE FOR FIRST READING ON NUMBER FIVE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: NUMBER 5. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THERE'S NO NEED FOR A STAFF REPORT UNLESS YOU WISH. OTHERWISE, YOU CAN MOVE IT ON FIRST READING AND CONSIDERATION. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I WILL BE GLAD TO READ IT. I MOVE THE FOLLOWING ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING, THAT'S FILE E2021-8 CHAPTER 2, AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF TAMPA, FLORIDA, AMENDING CITY OF TAMPA CODE SECTION 2-71, REGARDING INTERNAL AUDITS; PROVIDING FOR THE PROCESS BY WHICH CITY COUNCIL CAN REQUEST ADDITIONAL INTERNAL AUDITS PURSUANT TO CITY CHARTER SECTION 5.01 (C); PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS, INTERPRETATIONS AND REPEAL CONFLICTS; PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. A SHOUT-OUT TO OUR CHARTER REVIEW BOARD FOR MAKING SURE THAT COUNCIL IS INCLUDED IN THIS PROCESS, INCLUDING MR. CARLSON, MR. CITRO, AND MR. GUDES AND ANYBODY ELSE W'S INVOLVED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST FOR THE PURPOSES OF CLARIFICATION, I BELIEVE THIS IS ON A 2016 CHARTER REVISION, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. IT WAS ACTUALLY A -- >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT WAS 2016. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT WAS PRIOR CITY COUNCIL THAT PUT IT ON THE BALLOT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER HAS MOVED IT. SECOND? MR. MIRANDA HAS SECONDED. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT ABOUT 6, MR. SHELBY? >>MARTIN SHELBY: 6 IS CORRECTING A SCRIVENER'S ERROR. IF YOU WANT TO REPORT ON WHAT THAT SCRIVENER'S ERROR IS I GUESS THE ATTORNEY IS PRESENT. >> RON WIGGINTON, LEGAL DEPARTMENT. ROSS, WHO IS OUR RIGHT-OF-WAY MAPPING COORDINATOR, WAS GOING THIS PARTICULAR ITEM, BUT I BELIEVE I CAN COVER IT WITHOUT THAT. IF IT WILL BE COUNCIL'S PLEASURE. ITEM 6 IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2000-331 WHICH IS A GLOBAL VACATING ORDINANCE THAT INCLUDED SEVERAL DIFFERENT ALLEYWAYS, ONE OF WHICH WAS LOCATED WITHIN THE LIVINGSTON HEIGHTS SUBDIVISION. ONLY A PORTION OF LOUISIANA WAS SUPPOSED TO BE VACATED IN THAT PARTICULAR SUBDIVISION. HOWEVER, THE ENTIRE ROAD WAS VACATED INADVERTENTLY, WHICH RESULTS IN A LAND LOCK, SEVERAL LAND LOCKED PARCELS. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS AMEND THE LEGAL DESCRIPTION SO IT WOULD UNLOCK THOSE LANDS AND HAVE ACCESS TO THEM. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHY DO WE BELIEVE IT WAS SCRIVENER'S ERROR GOING BACK 21 YEARS? >>RON WIGGINTON: BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAT AND HOW THE PROPERTIES WERE LAID OUT, THERE WAS NO WAY FOR THAT TO HAVE BEEN VACATED. AGAIN, IT WOULD HAVE RESULTED IN LANDLOCKED PROPERTIES. THAT IS BY THE ESSENCE OF THE LAND LOCKING. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MORE SPECIFICALLY, YOU MENTIONED SOME STREET NAMES, WHERE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? >>RON WIGGINTON: MIDDLETON HIGH SCHOOL, LITTLE BIT TO THE EAST OF IT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DO YOU HAVE A MAP OR DRAWING? >>RON WIGGINTON: UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S SOMETHING ROSS WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE. IF YOU'D LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM, I'M SURE -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, JUST A REMINDER, THIS IS FIRST READING. IT WILL BE SET FOR A SECOND READING AND PUBLIC HEARING. YOU CAN HAVE A PRESENTATION AT THE SECOND READING TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: JUST BRING A MAP NEXT TIME. THAN YOU >>RON WIGGINTON: WILL DO. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE THIS ITEM 6? >>JOSEPH CITRO: FILE NUMBER C 00-35, ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION. AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE NUMBER 2000-331, WHICH VACATED, CLOSED, DISCONTINUED AND ABANDONED CERTAIN RIGHTS-OF-WAY IN THE AREA DESCRIBED BELOW IN ORDER TO CORRECT A SCRIVENER'S ERROR IN THE LEGAL DESCRTION OF EXHIBIT A TO SAID ORDINANCE AND REPLACING SAME WITH ATTACHED AND REVISED EXHIBIT A, PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO MOVED IT. MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT. ROLL CALL. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>RON WIGGINTON: THANK YOU, COUNCIL. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE ITEMS 7 THROUGH 17, SIR. JOSE CITRO: I WOULD GLADLY DO THAT. MOVE ITEMS 7 THROUGH 17. >>BILL CARLSON: THESE ARE TWO I NEED TO RECUSE MYSELF. 9 AND 10. COULD I MAKE A MOTION REAL FAST TO ACCEPT AND FILE THE FORMS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: DID YOU WANT TO STATE THE NATURE? >>BILL CARLSON: SURE. AN ORGANIZATION THAT DOES BUSINESS WITH MY COMPANY HAS AN INTEREST IN THESE MATTERS. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU'RE FILING THE FORM 8B AND ASKING THEM TO BILLARLSON: YES, CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: RECEIVE AND FILE BY MR. MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR? SEPARATE VOTE, MR. SHELBY? >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WOULD BE WISE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 10 REMOVED. -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: 9 AND 10. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 9 FIRST. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA MOVED 9. SECOND BY MR. DINGFELDER. ALL IN FAVOR? ROLL CALL VOTE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON ABSTAINING. >>ORLANDO GUDES: -- MOVED BY MR. -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT WAS THAT? >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 10 HAS BEEN MOVED BY MR. DINGFELDER. SECONDED BY MR. MIRANDA. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON ABSININ >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA -- LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE ITEMS 7 THROUGH 17 EXCLUDING 9 AND 10. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I MOVE ITEMS 7 THROUGH 17 EXCLUDING 9 AND 10. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVED BY MR. MIRANDA. SECONDED BY MR. DINGFELDER. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO, MOVE 18 THROUGH 21, SIR, PARKS AND RECREATION. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE ITEMS 18 THROUGH 21. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO MOVED 18 THROUGH 21. MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER MOVE ITEMS 22 THROUGH 40, SIR. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: -- SHOUT-OUT TO STAFF. BACK IN THE DAY, ITEMS 28 AND 29 USED TO BE SOLE SOURCED, BUT NOW THEY ARE BEING BID, WHICH IS GOOD, BECAUSE OTHER COMPANIES ARE GETTING INVOLVED IN THIS CURED IN PLACE TREATMENT. SO THAT'S GOOD. THEN WHEN I LOOKED AT THE BIDS, WE'RE GETTING SOME VERY COMPETITIVE BIDS, SO THAT'S EVEN BETTER. ANYWAY, JUST A SHOUT-OUT TO STAFF IN THAT REGARD. MOVE ITEMS 22 THROUGH 40. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER MOVED IT. MR. MIRANDA SECONDED. >>GUIDO NISCCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA, YOU MOVE ITEMS 41 -- >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: 41 THROUGH 44. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN. WAS NUMBER 44 -- >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IT WAS PUT BACK ON THE AGENDA. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT WAS PUT BACK ON THE CONSENT. >> YES, SIR. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA MOVED. COND FROM MR. CITRO. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON, WILL YOU MOVE ITEMS 45 THROUGH 56? >>BILL CARLSON: YES, SIR. I'D LIKE TO MOVE ITEMS 45 THROUGH 56. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON MOVED. MR. MIRANDA SECONDED. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: -- SHOUT-OUT ESPECIALLY WITH MS. FLEY HERE WITH US TODAY. ITEM 56, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN VERY GENEROUS IN REGARD TO ALLOCATING MONEY TO INDIVIDUALS WHO NEEDED RENTAL ASSISTANCE. ITEM 56 IS AN ADDITIONAL $9.5 MILLION THAT WE'RE SORT OF THE PASS-THROUGH, WE'RE THE GO-BETWEEN TO MAKE SURE THAT MONEY GETS TO THE APPROPRIATE TENANTS, AND THEN ULTIMATELY TO THE APPROPRIATE LANDLORDS. BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT-OUT TO MS. FEELEY AND HER TEAM AND OUR CONTRACTORS WHO ARE WORKING DILIGENTLY TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE DURING THE COVID CRISIS. BRIAN HAS HIS HAND UP. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU'RE RECOGNIZED SIR. >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, JUST TO REMIND YOU THAT NUMBER 54 HAS A REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE TO JULY 29. YOU MAY WANT TO TAKE THAT UP SEPARATELY JUST AS PART OF YOUR MOTION. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE'RE NOT VOTING ON 54 THEN. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THE MOTION IS -- SHOULD BE 45 THROUGH -- OR 53 AND THEN 55 AND THE CONTINUANCE.COULD TAKE U >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CARLSON IF YOU'LL MOVE 45 THROUGH 56 EXCLUDING 54. >>BILL CARLSON: MOVE ITEMS 45 THROUGH 56 EXCLUDING 54. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION FROM MR. CARLSON, SECONDED BY MR. MIRANDA. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. LET'S TAKE 54 WITH A MOTION TO CONTINUE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SO MOVED TO JULY 29, 2021. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER MOVED IT. MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: NO. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTE NOTHING. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. LUIS VIERA, ITEM 57 AND 59, SIR. >>LUIS VIERA: YES, SIR, MR. CHAIRMAN. I APPRECIATE THAT. IF I MAY, I MOVE ITEMS 57 THROUGH 59. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. VIERA. SECONDED BY MR. DINGFELDER. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WITH REGARD TO THE ITEMS BEING SET FOR PUBLIC HEARING BY COUNCIL CONSENT, YOU CAN TAKE 60, 62, AND 63 BY ONE MOTION AND VOTE, AND WE'LL HOLD 61 AND TAKE THAT UP RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE THAT'S A SEPARATE VOTE FOR COUNCIL FOR A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE 60, 62, 63 FOR JULY 22, 2021 AND 62 JULY 29 AT 10:30 AND 63 IS AUGUST 5th, '21, AT 10:30. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA MOVED 60, 62 AND 63. MR. DINGFELDER SECONDED IT. ROLL CALL. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>LL CLSON: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: 61 WE'RE HOLDING -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE CAN TAKE 61 NOW. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED SIR. >> THIS HEARING REQUEST IS FOR A SPECIAL CALLED MEETING. [MICROPHONE NOT ON] [MICROPHONE NOT ON] THANK YOU. WE HAVE BEEN MOVING THROUGH OUR HUD PLAN FOR OUR ANNUAL ACTION PLAN. SO FAR WE'VE HAD OUR RFA THAT'S OPENED. STAFF HAS CONDUCTED TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE WORKSHOPS THIS WEEK. THOSE QUESTIONS WILL BE DUE REGARDING THE TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE WORKSHOP AT THE END OF THIS WEEK, AND THE RFA SUBMISSION WILL CLOSE ON THE 25th. AT THAT POINT, WE WILL OPEN COMMENT ON THE ACTION PLAN ITSELF, WHICH BY HUD REQUIREMENT MUST BE AT LEAST 30 DAYS. THIS WILL PUT THE FIRST AVAILABLE MEETING THAT WE COULD HAVE THIS ON THE 29th. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO DO IT ON THE FIRST WEEK IN AUGUST, HOWEVER THIS WOULD GREATLY COMPRESS THE TIME THAT STAFF HAS TO COMPLETE THE REPORT AND GET IT SUBMITTED TO HUD. WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT IT BE SET FOR 29th, SPECIAL CALL AT 5:01 P.M. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT IS THE CALENDAR LIKE ON THE 29th? >>ABBYE FEELEY: GOOD AFTERNOON. ABBYE FEELEY, DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGMENT. IT WOULD BE A SPECIAL-CALLED SESSION FOR YOU ON THE 29th. OUR ACTION PLAN IS DUE TO HUD ON AUGUST 15th. SO IF WE PUSH TO THE FIRST THURSDAY IN AUGUST, ALSO WE DO HAVE TO HAVE IT AT 5:01. THAT IS PART OF OUR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION RULES. THAT WOULD ONLY LEAVE STAFF ABOUT SEVEN DAYS TO THEN GET IT IN ORDER TO SUBMIT TO HUD. THAT'S WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR THE JULY 29th SPECIAL CALLED SESSION IN THE EVENING. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M GOING TO DIRECT COUNCIL'S ATTENTION TO YOUR CALENDAR. YOU DO HAVE A MEETING THAT DAY AT 9 A.M. IT IS A REGULAR SESSION. SO THIS WOULD BE ADDING A SPECIAL CALL AT 5:01 THAT EVENING. IT WOULD NOT BE A SEPARATE DAY BECAUSE YOU WILL BE THERE AT THE 9 A.M., BUT THERE IS NO NIGHT MEETING SCHEDULED FOR THAT NIGHT AND THE REQUEST FROM THE ADMINISTRATION, AS YOU'VE HEARD, IS TO SET THAT 5:01. MONG T RESOLUTION, IS THATF CORRECT? IT'S ALREADY BEEN PREPARED IN THE RESOLUTION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: IT HAS TO BE IN THE EVENING TIME. >>ABBYE FEELEY: YES, SIR. THAT'S PART OF OUR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PLAN TO ALLOW FOR OUR CITIZENS AND CLIENTS TO COME AFTER CLOSE OF BUSINESS FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE ACTION PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND ADOPTION. THIS WOULD BE THE SECOND REQUIRED MEETING IN THE AFTERNOON EVENING. I DON'T FORESEE IT WOULD BE LONG. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT'S COUNCIL'S PASUR MOTION ON THE FLOOR? MR. CARLSON, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >>BILL CARLSON: IF I COULD SAY, FIRST, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO PUT THESE ON THURSDAYS BECAUSE IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS OF THE PUBLIC, BUT, SECOND, PUTTING IT ON ANOTHER DAY WOULD INTERVENE WITH MY KID'S SCHEDULE. I APPRECIATE YOU ALL DOING IT ON THURSDAY FOR THAT REASON ALSO. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE? ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR THE ITEM 61. MR. MANISCALCO HAS MOVED IT. MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT. ROLL CALL. >>THE CLERK: ARE WE GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD THE JULY 2- >>MARTIN SHELBY: DO YOU WANT A SEPARATE MOTION. >>THE CLERK: PREFERABLY A SEPARATE ONE. THE OTHER MOTION IS TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE MOTION RIGHT NOW IS TO MOVE THE RESOLUTION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO MOVED IT. MR. MIRANDA SECONDED IT. ROLL CALL VOTE AND WE'LL COME BACK WITH THE DATE. >>THE CLERK: DINGFELDER? >>JOHN DINGFELDERYES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIE UNANIMOUSLY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: LET'S MOVE THE DATE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MOVE THE DATE, MR. CHAIRMAN, TO JULY 29, 2021 AT 5:01 P.M. AT CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, THIRD FLOOR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA MOVED IT. SECONDED BY MR. CARLSON. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOVE TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, 64 THROUGH 68. MR. MIRANDA. SECONDED BY MR. MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR? >>MARTIN SHELBY: 64 I BELIEVE HAS BEEN TAKEN CARE OF. AND 65, THERE ARE PEOPLE ON THE SECOND FLOOR FOR THAT. IT'S A SECOND READING. IS STAFF PRESENT? FOR PSONAL INTRODUCTION. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. ZAIN HUSAIN HERE, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. FIRST OFF, GREAT TO BE HERE IN PERSON. GOING OVER ITEM 65, THIS IS AB 2-21-11, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION. SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT 1601 NORTH FRANKLIN STREET, SUITE 1607. CERTIFIED PLANS WERE DROPPED OFF YESTERDAY TO THE CLERK, AND IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'M AVAILABLE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE WILL NEVER FORGET OUR EDUCATION IN KOMBUCHA. >>ORLANDO GUDES: NO QUESTIONS, THE APPLICANT? >>MARTIN SHELBY: I BELIEVE THEY ARE ON THE SECOND FLOOR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: APPLICANT ON THE SECOND FLOOR? >>MARTIN SHELBY: THERE WE GO. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. WE ENJOYED OUR DISCUSSION LAST TIME -- >>ORLANDO GUDES: SWEAR YOU IN, I'M SORRY. >>THE CLERK: DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? >> WE DO. >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU. >>MARTIN SHELBY: NAMES PLEASE, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: NAMES, SIR. >> BRIAN GRIFFIN. >> PHILLIP SMITH. >> WE ENJOYED OUR CONVERSATION LAST TIME WE WERE BEFORE YOU. WE HAVE MADE THE REQUESTED CHANGES TO OUR SITE PLAN AND WILL COMPLY WITH THOSE, WHICH ARE NO AMPLIFIED MUSIC AND WE WILL NOT BE OPEN PAST 11 P.M. ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. WE LOOK FORWARDOPENI THIS ELEMENT OF OUR BUSINESS AND WE ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN THIS SECOND READING. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS? ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE HERE ON THIS ITEM TO SPEAK? >> MOVE TO CLOSE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA MOVED TO CLOSE. MR. MANISCALCO SECONDED IT. CAN WE GET MR. VIERA? MR. VIERA, READ NUMBER 65. >>LUIS VIERA: MY PLEASURE, MR. CHAIRMAN. I HEREBY MOVE AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR SECOND READING AND ADOPTION AN ORDINANCE APPROVING A SPECIAL USE PERMIT (SU-2) FOR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE SALES, SMALL VENUE (CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES AND PACKAGE SALES/OFF-PREMISES CONSUMPTION) AND MAKING LAWFUL THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE AT OR FROM THAT CERTAIN LOT, PLOT OR TRACT OF LAND LOCATED AT 1601 NORTH FRANKLIN STREET, SUITE 1607, TAMPA, FLORIDA AS MORE PARTICULARLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 2; PROVIDING THAT ALL ORDINANCES OR PARTS OF ORDINANCES IN CONFLICT ARE REPEALED; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECONDED BY MR. MIRANDA. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>BILLARLS: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: TH THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM NUMBER 66. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: NEED TO SWEAR IN, MR. SHELBY? >> GOOD AFTERNOON, CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. WE'RE HERE, COUNCIL, REGARDING ITEM NUMBER 66. REVIEW HEARING FOR VRB 20-60 FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1508 SOUTH ARRAWANA AVENUE. THIS ITEM IS BEFORE YOU ON A PETITION SEEKING REVIEW OF A VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD DECISION MADE DURING ITS MEETING ON FEBRUARY 9 OF 2021. I PROVIDED COUNCIL WITH THE HEARING PROCEDURES FOR TODAY'S REVIEW AS WELL AS SAMPLE MOTIONS FOR THE HEARING. YOU ALSO HAVE THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA SET FORTH IN CODE SECTION 27-80. PURSUANT TO CODE SECTION 27-61, SUBSECTION J, SUBSECTION 2, CITY COUNCIL APPLIES A DE NOVO STANDARD OF REVIEW. YOUR DECISION IS NOT LIMITED TO THE RECORD CREATED DURING THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD HEARING, INSTEAD, YOU CAN TAKE PLIC TESTIMONY, ACCEPT NEW EVIDENCE AND MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THE APPLICATION MEETING THE HARDSHIP REQUIREMENT AS SET FORTH IN SECTION 27-80. THE MATERIALS ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA ITEM INCLUDE A COPY OF THE INITIAL APPLICATION FOR THE VARIANCE, THE STAFF REPORT, THE VRB'S WRITTEN DECISION AND THE PETITION FOR REVIEW ALONG WITH THE AFFIDAVIT ESTABLISHING COMPLIANCE WITH THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS. THE APPLICATION FILED WITH THE VRB REQUESTED THE FOLLOWING VARIANCE: A REDUCTION OF THE REAR YARD SETBACK FROM FIVE FEET TO THREE FEET PURSUANT TO CODE SECTION 290.3. AFTER CONSIDERING ALL THE EVIDENCE INTRODUCED INTO THE RECORD OF TODAY'S HEARING, CITY COUNCIL MAY AFFIRM THE VRB'S DECISION TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE. COUNCIL MAY OVERTURN THE VRB DECISION AND DENY THE VARIANCE OR COUNCIL MAY REMAND THIS BACK TO THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD. WITH THAT, STAFF IS ON THE SECOND FLOOR FOR THE PRESENTATION OF THE HISTORICAL INFORMATION FOR THE CASE FOR THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD. I'LL TURN IT OVER NOW TO MS. ANASTASIA BARNES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN, BUT I SEE MR. GRANDOFF IS SITTING DIRECTLY BEHIND HER. I'M JUST WONDERING WHETHER, FRANKLY, IF IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR PEOPLE TO NOT BE IN THE BACKGROUND THAT ARE NOT RELEVANT TO THE PARTICULAR TESTIMONY, IF THAT'S POSSIBLE. THAT WOULD APPLY TO BOTH PARTIES AND TO OTHER FUTURE HEARINGS AS WELL, MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST TO BE CONSISTENT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK SECURITY IS TAKING CARE OF IT NOW. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS ANASTASIA BARNES, URBAN PLANNER 2 WITH DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. AS MS. PETTIS-MACKLE HAS ALREADY STATED, THIS PETITION IS FOR VRB -- >>ORLANDO GUDES: I THINK YOU NEED TO BE SWORN IN. >> APOLOGIZE. YES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. COTTON, ARE YOU TESTIFYING TO? >> PERHAPS, YES. >>THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE% TESTIMONY THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? >> YES. >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU. >> AS MS. PETTIS-MACKLE HAS ALREADY STATED THIS IS A PETITION FOR VRB 20-60. THE PETITIONER IS KERRY AND BARBARA TOOLE. THE PETITIONER'S AGENT IS JOHN GRANDOFF. THE PROPERTY ADDRESS IS 1508 SOUTH ARRAWANA AVENUE WHICH HAS A ZONING DISTRICT OF RS 60, RESIDENTIAL SINGLE-FAMILY. THE APPROVED VARIANCE IS TO REDUCE THE REAR YARD SETBACK FROM FIVE FEET TO THREE FEET IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 27,290.3 THE CONSTRUCTION OF A POOL. 27-290.3. HERE IS 2780, THE APPLICATION OF THE VARIANCE POWER. THE HISTORY OF THIS CASE,HE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD HEARD THIS CASE ON NOVEMBR 10, 2020, AND AFTER TESTIMONY CONTINUED THE CASE. THE REVIEW BOARD HEARD THE CASE AGAIN ON FEBRUARY 9, 2021, AND AFTER TESTIMONY APPROVED THE REQUEST WITH A VOTE FOR 4-2. THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WITH SURROUNDING ZONING, LARGELY RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE. THIS IS TS SUBMITTED SHOWING THE PROPOSED POOL WITH SETBACKS. THIS IS A VIEW OF THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THE POOL WILL BE PLACED, AND THIS IS A PICTURE SHOWING THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER FROM THE CURRENT PROPERTY IN QUESTION. THIS CONCLUDES MY REPORT. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN? MR. DINGFELDER, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IN READING, I'M SURE MR. HENDRA WILL BEEE LAB RATING BUT -- BE ELABORATING BUT I NEED REFERENCE, THEY ARE ADDRESSING ADA NEEDS AND REQUIREMENTS. WILL WE GET ADVICE FROM STAFF OR LEGAL IN TERMS OF HOW THAT MIGHT IMCT OUR DECISION? I KNOW THAT MR. CITRO AND I, WE USED TO HEAR THIS WHEN WE SAT ON THE VRB. SOMETIMES THERE WERE ADA ISSUES THAT WOULD COMPLICATE THINGS IN REGARD TO WHAT OUR DECISION-MAKING PROCESS WAS. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, RESPECTFULLY, I UNDERSTAND MR. COUNCIL MEMBER'S QUESTION. THIS IS A PETITION FOR REVIEW, SO MR. GRANDOFF IS REPRESENTING THE NEIGHBORS BEHIND THE PROPERTY. HIS ARGUMENT IS THAT THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA WAS NOT MET. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO -- IF YOU WANT TO FIRST HEAR THEIR PRESENTATION. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE CAN HEAR IT, BUT BEFORE WE GET INTO ANY DELIBERATIONS, IF THE ADA ISSUE COMES UP, WHICH IT APPEARS SOMEBODY HANDED ME A DOCUMENT, JUMPED RIGHT OUT AT ME THAT THERE IS AN -- POTENTIAL ADA ISSUE, JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WELL AWARE OF HOW THAT MIGHT IMPACT OUR VOTE. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: I WILL. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: STAFF. >> ANASTASIA BARNES AGAIN. AS AN URBAN PLANNER, I DO NOT KNOW THE REQUIREMENTS FOR ADA ACCESSIBILITY. I THINK THAT WOULD BE FOR A PLANS EXAMINER. SO, UNFORTUNATELY, I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THAT SPECIFICALLY TO THE ADA REQUIREMENTS. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M GOOD. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. WE'LL HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. MR. SHELBY. >>MARTIN SHELBY: ANYTHING ELSE FROM STAFF? >> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST FOR PURPOSES OF COMPLETING THE RECORD, ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS WHICH HAD BEEN RECEIVED AND FILED AND UPLOADED, I'D LIKE THEM TO BE DONE BY MOTION AND VOTE AT THIS POINT. JUST TO RECEIVE AND FILE EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO AS MADE A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? >>MARTIN SHELBY: THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: HAVE YOU BEEN I HAVE NOT BEEN SWORN. >>THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? >>JOHN GRANDOFF: I DO. >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU. >>JOHN GRANDOFF: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL, MY NAME IS JOHN GRANDOFF. ADDRESS IS SUITE 3700 BANK OF AMERICA PLAZA. THIS AFTERNOON, I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF REPRESENTING BARBARA AND KERRY TOOLE WHO ARE MY CLIENTS WHO LIVE DIRECTLY BEHIND THE PROPERTY WHICH WAS GRANTED THE VARIANCE BACK IN FEBRUARY. BEFORE BEGINNING MY PRESENTATION, I'D LIKE TO CONFIRM IN THE RECORD THAT AN EX PARTE COMMUNICATION FROM THE CRAFTS, THE OWNERS WAS DELIVERED TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY CLERK AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ON MARCH 17. IT IS A LETTER FROM CHRIS AND REBECCA CRAFT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IS REFERENCED. I'LL PROVIDE IT TO THE CLERK AFTER THE HEARING TO MAKE SURE IT IS COMPLETELY FILED. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WERE YOU TRYING TO SHOW SOMETHING ON THE MONITOR? >>JOHN GRANDOFF: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE NEED TO SEE IT. THERIT I >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, MR. CHAIRMAN. FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE RECORD, ARE THESE PEOPLE, YOUR RELATIONSHIP TO THEM, MR. GRANDOFF? >>JOHN GRANDOFF: MY CLIENT IS OPPOSING THEIR VARIANCE. AND WHILE THE APPEAL WAS PENDING, THEY PROVIDED THIS DOCUMENTATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL AS AN EX PARTE COMMUNICATION, WHICH IS ILLEGAL. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S IN THE RECORD. >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT IS BEING DISCLOSED TO YOU AND IS PART OF THE RECORD. >>JOHN GRANDOFF: NOW I WOULD LIKE TO INQUIRE IF THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ANY PREJUDGMENT ON THIS CASE GIVEN THE NATURE OF THIS LETTER. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO ASK, MR. GRANDOFF. I THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. ON THE BASIS OF ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS VERBALLY THAT NEED TO BE DISCLOSED ON EITHER SIDE TONIGHT OR THIS AFTERNOON? I SEE NO RESPONSE. IS THERE ANYBODY BY A SHOW OF HANDS OR VERBALLY TO SAY THAT BASED ON ANYTHING THAT MIGHT -- THEY MIGHT BE AWARE OF WOULD KEEP THEM FROM BEING FAIR AND IMPARTIAL AS TO EITHER SIDE WITH REGARD TO THE HEARING OF THIS ON THE COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD. IS THERE ANYBODY? I SEE NO ONE RESPONDING AFFIRMATIVELY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MR. GRANDOFF IS THAT ACCEPTABLE? >>JOHN GRANDOFF: YES, IT IS. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: POINT OF ORDER, MR. CHAIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. GRANDOFF, I'M NOT SURE HOW WELL YOU DESCRIBED THE DOCUMENT YOU PUT ON THE SCREEN. JUST FOR THE RECORD, CAN YOU DESCRIBE IT AND MAKE SURE THE CLERK GETS A COPY OF IT. >>JOHN GRANDOFF: THIS IS A LETTER MARCH 17 THAT WAS DELIVERED FROM CHRIS AND REBECCA KRAFT FROM THEIR ADDRESS. DEAR TAMPA CITY COUNCIL AND CITY CLERK, WE ARE WRITING TO EXPRESS OUR OBJECTION TO JOHN GRANDOFF'S REQUEST FOR CITY COUNCIL TO DELAY THE PUBLIC HEARING CURRENTLY SCHEDULED FOR APRIL 15 AS IT WILL CREATE A HARDSHIP FOR MYSELF AND MY FAMILY BY UNNECESSARILY DELAYING OUR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT FURTHER. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT HE AND HIS CLIENTS ATTEMPTED TO DELAY THE INITIAL VARIANCE HEARING IN NOVEMBER 2020. THIS APPEARS TO BE ANOTHER MEASURE TO CREATE FURTHER LAYS HE AND HIS CLIENTS HAVE HAD AN APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF TIME TO PREPARE FOR THIS HEARING AS THE OBJECTIVE HAS NOT CHANGED AND THIS HEARING SHOULD PROCEED AS PLANNED. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIMELY ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER. SINCERELY CHRIS AND REBECCA KRAFT. YOU'LL SEE IN THE CONTEXT OF THE LETTER THEY ARE ARGUING THE MERITS OF THE CASE WITHOUT GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD. THAT'S THE POINT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU MAY CONTINUE. >>JOHN GRANDOFF: YES, MR. GUDES, I APPRECIATE. I ASK THIS TIME NOT BE CHARGED AGAINST MY PRESENTATION BECAUSE EY ARE PROCEDURAL ISSUES. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO GET TO NOW, I HEARD THAT THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT ADA. I WAS NOT PRIVY TO THAT DISCUSSION. CAN SOMEONE REFRESH MY RECOLLECTION ON WHAT THAT WAS ALL ABOUT BEFORE THE HEARING STARTED? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: IF I CAN RESPOND TO THAT, WHEN THE HEARING JUST STARTED, WE WERE HANDED A DOCUMENT, MR. GRANDOFF, AND I HOPE YOU GOT A COPY OF IT. IF NOT, I'LL MAKE SURE WE SEND ONE DOWN STAIRS. FROM HENDRA AND ASSOCIATES INC. FRANKLY, I THOUGHT THIS WAS FROM YOUR CLIENT. SO I STARTED READING THROUGH IT, , 6, 7, 8, IT MAKES REFERENCE TO THE FACT THAT THE ORIGINAL REQUEST FOR A SWIMMING POOL WAS SOMEHOW ADA REQUIRED OR ADA NECESSARY, AND I'M SURE IF THESE FOLKS, THE ORIGINAL APPLICANTS ARE GOING TO BE HERE, THEN THEY'LL SPEAK TO THAT. DID YOU GET A COPY OF THE DOCUMENT, MR. GRANDOFF? >>JOHN GRANDOFF: HOW DID YOU GET A COPY OF IT? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THAT'S WHAT I SAID. SOMEBODY HANDED IT TO COUNCIL MEMBERS WHEN THE MEETING STARTED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I -- >>JOHN GRANDOFF: I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE SOURCE OF THE DOCUMENT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: POINT OF ORDER. MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WAS DISTRIBUTED BY STAFF. ERIC COTTON HANDED IT OUT. DID THE CLERK RECEIVE A COPY? >>THE CLERK: YES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. COTTON, DID YOU PROVIDE A COPY TO MR. GRANDOFF? >>JOHN GRANDOFF: HE DID. MR. COTTON, I HAVE A COPY OF IT NOW. IT'S DATED JUNE 16th. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YESTERDAY. >>JOHN GRANDOFF: YEAH. I HAVEN'T READ IT NOR DO I CARE TO READ IT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DON'T THINK ANY OF US READ IT. THEY JUST HANDED IT TO US FIVE MINUTES AGO. >>JOHN GRANDOFF: WELL, IT BEGS THE QUESTION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU MAY CONTINUE. >>JOHN GRANDOFF: I WILL SPEAK ON THE ADA ISSUE AS PART OF MY ARGUMENT, BUT TO GET TO THE HEART OF THE MATTER, WE HAD TWO HEARINGS IN THIS CASE AND MY CLIENTS PUT ON COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DRAINAGE PROBLEM WITH THESE PROPERTIES. MY CLIENT IS DIRECTLY BEHIND THE PROPERTY WHERE THE KRAS A PLANNING TO BUILD A SWIMMING POOL. WE HAVE NO OBJECTION OF THEM BUILDING A SWIMMING POOL FROM FIVE FEET OF THE REAR YARD. THEY WANT A VARIANCE OF THREE FEET. ESSENTIALLY, BASICALLY, WHAT IS A YARD. A YARD IS AN OPEN SPACE OCCUPIED AND UNOBSTRUCTED BY ANY STRUCTURE OR PORTION OF A STRUCTURE. IT CONTINUES. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY, MR. GRANDOFF. FORGIVE ME FOR INTERRUPTING, MR. CHAIRMAN. WHAT HE'S PUTTING DOWN THERE, I'LL ASK THE PEOPLE IN CTTV TO BE ABLE TO SWITCH SO COUNCIL CAN SEE WHAT HE'S REFERRING TO WHEN HE PUTS SOMETHING DOWN. LET'S WAIT UNTIL IT COMES UP ON THE SCREEN. IT'S NOT ON THEIR MONITORS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAVE IT ON THE BIG TV. NOT ON THE MONITORS. WE GOT IT. YOU CAN CONTINUE, MR. GRANDOFF. >>JOHN GRANDOFF: THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A YARD. AND I PROVIDED IN MY PETITION FOR REVIEW IN EXHIBIT A THAT PART OF YOUR CRITERIA, ITEM NUMBER 3, REQUIRES THE APPLICANT TO PROVE A SINGULAR AND UNIQUE HARDSHIP WITH RESPECT TO THE PROPERTY, NOT A PERSONAL PREFERENCE. IF PERSONAL PREFERENCE WAS THE TEST, THERE WOULD BE VIRTUALLY NO GROUNDS OF WHICH YOU COULD DENY A VARIANCE AND THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR A VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD. MY CLIENTS AS RECENTLY AS LAST NIGHT TOOK SEVERAL PHOTOGRAPHS OF T RAINSTORM LAST NIGHT. THESE ARE NOT REAL CLEAR, BUT THIS IS WATER PUDDLING IN THEIR BACKYARD, AND I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU THE SITE PLAN ON THE SURVEY. YESTERDAY EVENING, PHOTOGRAPHS TAKEN BY KERRY AND BARBARA TOOLE. NOW, CITY CODE AT 21-8 VERY CLEARLY SAYS, IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON NOTWITHSTANDING THE ISSUANCE OF A PMIT BY THE CITY TO STOCKPILE MATERIAL, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA OR DO ANY OTHER ACT AFFECTING THE DRAINAGE WHICH RESULTS IN AN ALTERATION OF THE SURFACE OR SUBSURFACE DRAINAGE PATTERNS TO THE DETRIMENT OF NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. PARDON ME FOR ONE MOMENT. A LITTLE MORE CUMBERSOME DOING THIS REMOTELY. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. GRANDOFF, CAN YOU PULL THE MIKE OVER WHEN YOU TALK OVER THERE? >>JOHN GRANDOFF: BEAR WITH ME HERE. WE'RE AT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY. MY CLIENT'S OWN THIS PROPERTY. GRADE BUILT IN 1922. HERE IS THE PROPERTY LINE. THE KRAFTS WANT TO BUILD THE POOL HERE IN THEIR BACKYARD TWO FEET AWAY INSAD OF FIVE NOW, PAY ATTENTION TO THE ELEVATION -- [NO ENCODER] -- SIX INCHES. IT'S ABOUT FIVE INCHES, THE DELTANDHE GDE CHANGE FROM THE GARAGE STAIRS AND THE LAUNDRY TO THE KRAFTS' PROPERTY. THERE IS A PERCEPTIBLE DRAINAGE PROBLEM WHICH HAS BEEN QUANTIFIED BY THE KRAFTS' EXPERT, WHICH I HAVE A REPORT FROM HIM. BUT HERE'S THE PROBLEM. ON THE APPROVAL HEARING IN FEBRUARY, WE WERE ALLOWED ONLY FIVE MINUTES TO PRESENT ANY TESTIMONY. THEY NEVER PUT IN ANY EVIDENCE DISPUTING THE DRAINAGE PROBLEM THAT WE BROUGHT UP IN NOVEMBER. THE BOARD DID NOT CONSIDER THAT. THEY WENT TO THE ADA AND SAID, WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE STORMWATER PROBLEM. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THIS UNDER THE ADA. I'LL GET INTO THE ADA IN A MOMENT. BUT WE RAISED THE ISSUE OF STORMWATER DRAINAGE, SECTION 3, WHICH I READ TO YOU IN MY PETITION AGAIN CAUTIONS THAT YOU CANNOT SUBSTANTIALLY INTERFERE WITH THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES PROPERTY RIGHTS. CHAPTER 21, YOUR STORMWATER CODE ALSO PUTS THEM ON NOTICE OF THAT. I SUBMIT TO YOU THAT THERE'S MORE EVIDENCE TO BE HEARD IN THIS CASE, THE MOST EFFICIENT, FAIR DUE PROCESS WAY TO DO THAT WOULD BE TO REMAND THIS CASE BACK TO THE VRB WITH INSTRUCTIONS TO CONSIDER TESTIMONY ON STORMWATER DRAINAGE BECAUSE I HAVE AN EXPERT. THEY SHOWED UP WITH AN EXPERT TODAY, WHICH I HAVE NOT HADN OPPS EVIDENCE. IT'S UNPROFESSIONAL BESIDES THAT. AND THAT'S THE WAY THE HEARING SHOULD HANDLE. IT SHOULD BE A DISCUSSION UPON EXPERTS WEIGHED BY THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD SITTING AS THE FINDER OF FACT. THIS IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM. THIS SHOULD NOT BE YOUR PROBLEM TO RE-TRY THIS CASE. I RESPECTFULLY SUBMIT THAT YOU SHOULD REMAND THE CASE. IF YOU WOULD PREFER TO HEAR THE MERITS OF THE CASE, I CAN DO THAT ALSO, AND I WOULD ASK THAT YOU REVERSE THE DECISION AND DENY THE VARIANCE. AT THIS POINT, I'D LIKE TO PAUSE BECAUSE I WANT TO GET INTO THE ADA ISSUE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MY LEANING IS IN AGREEMENT WITH MR. GRANDOFF. I KNOW HE MAY BE SHOCKED AT THAT, BUT IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, WITH THIS BIG DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF US AND MR. GRANDOFF'S EXPERT MIGHT HAVE AN EQUALLY BIG DOCUMENT AND IFHE VIANCE REVIEW BOARD HAS NOT HAD A CHANCE TO HEAR THIS, MY LEANING WOULD BE THAT WAY. NOW, IN THE INTEREST OF DUE PROCESS, IF THE OTHER FOLKS ARE HERE, YOU KNOW, MY LEANING WOULD BE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMAND, BUT IF THE OTHER FOLKS ARE HERE, I THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO HEAR THEM OUT PROCEDURALLY AS TO MY TENTATIVE MOTION, MR. CHAIR. ARE THE OTHER FOLKS HERE? >>JOHN GRANDOFF: I BELIEVE SO. I'LL YIELD. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: RELINQUISH THE PODIUM -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: HE'S NOT RELINQUISHING THE PRESENTATION. I'M SORRY, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU'RE ASKING FOR HIS TIME TO BE HELD WHILE YOU WANT THE OTHER SIDE TO ENTERTAIN THE SPECIFIC MOTION THAT YOU HAVE NOT YET MADE TO PUT ON THE FLOOR. OR YOU WANT TO HEAR THEIR SIDE BEFORE YOU MAKE A MOTION? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I CAN GO EITHER WAY. IF COUNCIL WANTS THE ACTUAL MOTION. I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION AND LET'S HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY. I MOVE TO REMAND IT TO THE VRB SR ADDITIONAL TECHNICAL INFORMATION IS NOW AVAILABLE THAT WAS NOT PREVIOUSLY AVAILABLE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: TWO THINGS, IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR. THE PEOPLE THAT HIRED HENDRA HERE? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THEY ARE COMING UP. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE SHOULD HEAR BEFORE WE DO ANY MOTIONS. MR. GRANDOFF, YOU SAID YOU HAD A PROFESSIONAL INDIVIDUAL IN DRAINAGE AT THAT TIME OF THE HEARING. DID YOU PRESENT THAT AS EVIDENCE TO THE RECORD AND TO THE PARTY THAT'S INVOLVED WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS? >>JOHN GRANDOFF: N I HE NOT. I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS THE PROPER FORUM TO HAVE THE EVIDENCE CONSIDERED. I HAVE THE REPORT HERE, BUT THE VRB SHOULD HEAR THE EVIDENCE, NOT YOU. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WE HAVE ONE AND DON'T HAVE THE OTHER. >>JOHN GRANDOFF: I HAVE IT HERE. I'M PREPARED TO PROVIDE IT. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: DUE PROCESS, THIS IS THE ONE, NOT THE OTHER. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MY POINT IS, I DON'T WANT TO LISTEN TO EITHER ONE. I WANT TO SEND BOTH OF THOSE REPORTS BACK TO THE VRB. THAT'S WHAT MY PENDING MOTION IS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WE'RE RECEIVING THIS DOCUMT IN THE NINTH HOUR AND MR. GRANDOFF HASN'T RECEIVED IT. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HE GOT IT NOW. >>ORLANDO GUDES: GOT IT NOW BUT WHAT GOOD -- GETTING IT NOW. I JUST GOT THIS NOW AND I'M GOING TO READ ALL THIS NOW AND MAKE A DECISION? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OTHER FOLKS? ARE THEY NOT THERE? >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEY ARE, IF YOU ASK THEM TO COME UP. CAN YOU ASK MR. MICHELINI TO COME UP? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I GOT A SECOND I THINK FROM MR. MANISCALCO. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BUT THERE'S NO ACTION UNTIL YOU WANT TO HR THE PARTIES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. MICHELINI, YOU HEARD THE LIMITATION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: BE SWORN IN. >>THE CLERK: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? >>STEVE MICHELINI: IT IS. >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR, MR. MICHELINI, IS TO HEAR ALL THESE TECHNICAL DETAILS ABOUT STORMWATER AND FLOODING AND THAT SORT OF THING WHICH APPARENTLY THEY DID NOT RECEIVE THE LAST TIME. I KNOW YOUR CLIENE DISAPPOINTED ABOUT ANY CONTINUANCES THAT ARE DELAYING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE POOL, BUT IF YOU COULD LIMIT YOUR RESPONSE TO MY MOTION, WHICH IS TO REMAND, THAT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR, I APPRECIATE THAT. THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD HEARD THE ISSUE REGARDING FLOODING. I PRESENTED DOCUMENTATION THAT INDICATED THAT YOU COULD NOT CAUSE OFF-SITE FLOODING. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: DID YOU GIVE THIS REPORT, STEVE? >>STEVE MICHELINI: THIS REPORT WE JUST GOT. THIS IS A DE NOVO HEARING. SO MR. GRANDOFF HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PREPARE, REQUEST A DRAINAGE REPORT TO BE PREPARED. IN ANTICIPATION OF HIS QUESTIONS, WHICH HE RAISED IN HIS APPEAL THAT WE ENGAGED AN ENGINEER TO COME IN AND CERTIFY WHAT I HAD ALREADY PUT ON THE RECORD. I WOULD SAY THAT WE WOULD NOT WANT TO REMAND THIS BACK TO THE VRB, THAT YOU HEAR THE FULL TESTIMONY THAT WE'RE READY TO PUT ON, INCLUDING OUR EXPERT ENGINEER. MR. GRANDOFF COULD HAVE ENGAGED AN ENGINEER TO BRING FORWARD T THIS HEARING. AS IT SITS NOW, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE HEARD WITHOUT PREJUDICE AS IF IT WERE A NEW HEARING. I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT WE GET BY RESENDING IT BACK WITHOUT YOU HEARING IT. YOU MAY COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION THAT YOU EITHER SUPPORT US OR YOU DENY IT OR REMAND IT. YOU STILL HAVE THOSE OPTIONS. BUT I THINK WE NEED AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THE FACTS, AND THESE PROCEDURAL ISSUES ARE NOT NEW FOR THIS PARTICULAR CASE, AND I'M NOT SURE WHY, BUT MR. GRANDOFF HAS ISEDROCERAL ISSUES ON THIS CASE FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. WE'RE PREPARED TO GO FORWARD IF THAT IS THE -- >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. MICHELINI OR MR. GRANDOFF, IF I CAN, ARE EITHER EXPERTS GOING TO BE TESTIFYING TO ANYTHING IN THE REPORTS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TODAY? >> I'M SUBMITTING FROM MY EXPERT'S REPORT. WAS THAT PROVIDED TO MR. >> NO. >>MARTIN SHELBY: YOU'RE SAYING THAT MR. MICHELINI'S REPORT HAS JUST BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU JUST NOW? >>JOHN GRANDOFF: THE PROPER FORUM IS THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD. MAY I BE HEARD FOR A MOMENT ON THE MOTION? >>JOSEPH CITRO: MR. MICHELINI, ARE YOU STILL THERE? THIS REPORT I HAVE IN MY HAND, THIS IS COMING FROM YOU. >>STEVE MICHELINI: YES, SIR. >>JOSEPH CITRO: HOW MUCH OF THIS REPORT CAN YOU REMEMBER WAS PRESENTED TO THE VRB DURING THAT HEARING? >>STEVE MICHELINI: SPECIFICALLY THAT REPORT? >>JOSEPH CITRO: GIVE ME A BALLPARK? >>STEVE MICHELINI: THE INFORMATION REGARDING DRAINAGE AND IMPACTING OFF-SITE PROPERTIES WAS 100% PROVIDED TO THE BOARD. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: UNDER WHOSE TESTIMONY? >>STEVE MICHELINI: UNDER MY TESTIMONY. THE WRITTEN REPORT WAS JUST COMPLETED YESTERDAY. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU'LL RECOGNIZED AND WE'LL BRING THIS IN FOR A LANDING. >>ERIC COTTON: ERIC COTTON, DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION. I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THE CRITERIA FOR A VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD HEARING, THE BOARD DOES NOT LOOK AT STORMWATER. THAT'S NOT REALLY A CRITERIA THAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT. THE CRITERIA ARE THE FIVE CRITERIA LISTED IN THE CODE THAT ARE -- THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA WHICH I THINK MS. PETTIS-MACKLE HAS PROVIDED TOOU AND MS. BARNES IN HER PRESENTATION, THE ACTUAL DETERMINATION OF STORMWATER IMPACT IS REVIEWED AT TIME OF PERMITTING. THAT'S WHEN IT'S REVIEWED FOR STORMWATER TECHNICAL STANDARD. IT'S NOT PART OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE VARIANCE. THE BOARD SHOULD NOT BE MAKING A MOTION EITHER FOR OR AGAINST A VARIANCE BASED ON STORMWATER. THAT IS A TECHNICAL REQUIREMENT OF THE CODE THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE BOARD DOES OR THEY DON'T DO HAS TO BE APPROVED BY CITY STAFF WHEN IT'S REVIEWED AT THE TIME OF PERMITTING. SO WHETHER IT'S AT FIVE FEET OR IT'S AT THREE FEET, THAT IS STILL A REVIEW DONE AT TIME OF PERMITTING. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: QUESTION ON THE STATEMENT -- ERIC, I DON'T DIFFER WITH YOU IN REGARD TO THE PROCESS, BUT THE VARIANCE HARDSHIP CRITERIA, ITEM C, THE VARIANCE IF GRANTED WOULD NOT SUBSTANTIALLY INTERFERE WITH HEALTH, SAFETY OR -- SPLITTING HAIRS IF WE SAY THE NEXT-DOOR NEIGHBOR WHO BELIEVES HAS AN ENGINEER SUPPORTING THEIR CONCERNS. I THINK THEY ARE EITHER VERY SQUARELY ON ITEM C OF THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA OR VERY CLOSE TO IT. YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I DO RESPECT YOU ERIC. I WOULD BE CONCERNED GOING FORWARD WITHOUT ALLOWING A DISCUSSION OF THAT. >> I FULLY UNDERSTAND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO REMAND. WHO MADE THE MOTION? IT WAS DINGFELDER AND MANISCALCO SECOND. WE NEED A ROLL CALL ON THAT? >>MARTIN SHELBY: PLEASE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: IF I HEARD EVERYTHING CORRECTLY FOR WHAT MR. COTTON SAID, ALL THIS, WHETHER IT'S THIS REPORT OR THE OTHER REPORT THAT WASN'T SHOWN AT ANY TIME, THIS ONE TODAY, THAT IT'S NOT THIS BODY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO TALK ABOUT THE STORMWATER. THAT COMES AT PERMITTING TIME, AM I CORRECT OR INCORRECT? >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. THAT IS CORRECT, WHAT MR. COTTON WAS SAYING, THAT'S A PERMITTING ISSUE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NOT AN ISSUE FOR THIS BOARD TO ADDRESS. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: IT'S NOT AN ISSUE TO ADDRESS WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO MEET THE PERMITTING ISSUE. THE STAFF WILL ADDRESS THAT ISSUE. BUT AS COUNCILMAN DINGFELDER RAISED, IS THAT THERE ARE HARDSHIP CRITERIA THAT HAS TO BE MET ACCORDING TO 27-80. SO IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION OF WHETHER OR NOT THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA HAS BEEN MET, YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. BUT THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS, STAFF WILL DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE ANY STORMWATER ISSUES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: ONE STEP FURTHER BACKWARDS. NOT THIS BOARD OR NOT THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD HAS THAT ISSUE TO HANDLE,. >>CAMARIA PETTIS-MACKLE: CORRECT. THEY CANNOT ADDRESS ANY PERMITTING ISSUES REGARDING STORMWATER. THEY CAN ONLY FOCUS ON WHETHER THE HARDSHIP CRITERIA HAS BEEN MET. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >>ORLANDO GUDES: AGAIN, THERE IS A MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO REMAND. ROLL CALL VOTE WILL BE TAKEN. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: NO. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: NO. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH CITRO AND MIRANDA VOTING NO. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT. ITEM 67. >>JOHN GRANDOFF: MR. CHAIRMAN, POINT OF ORDER, DO YOU NEED TO DIRECT THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD TO RESET THAT MATTER BY YOUR MOTION OR IS IT SELF-EXECUTING. PETTIS-MACKLE FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. THE DEPARTMENT WILL SET THIS FOR A NEW HEARING BASED ON THE MOTION THAT CITY COUNCIL MADE. >>JOHN GRANDOFF: THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS AFTERNOON. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 67. >>MARTIN SHELBY: ITEM 67 -- >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION TO WITHDRAW THAT. WE DID THAT EARLIER, RIGHT? >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, ACTUALLY, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT HAS BEEN. A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE THDRAL. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION BY MR. DINGFELDER, SECONDED BY MR. MIRANDA. >>JOHN GRANDOFF: COULD I INTERRUPT FOR A SECOND? >>STEVE MICHELINI: ON 66, SIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ALREADY HEARD THAT. >>STEVE MICHELINI: I UNDERSTAND THAT. MR. GRANDOFF REFERRED TO AN ENGINEERING AND DRAINAGE REPORT. WE'D LIKE A COPY OF THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. HE'S INDICATED HE DOES NOT HAVE A COPY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU GUYS CAN TAKE THAT UP WITH YOUR ATTORNEY D TE IT UP WITH THE VARIANCE REVIEW BOARD AND THE ATTORNEY. WE'RE MOVING ON. THANK YOU, SIR. ITEM 67, THERE'S A MOTION TO WITHDRAW. MR. DINGFELDER MOTION. SECONDED BY MR. MANISCALCO. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. P>>BILL. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ITEM 68, FIRST READING CONSIDERATION. >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN, I BELIEVE THAT HAD SOMEBODY WHO WAS REGISTERED ONLINE. WE'RE NOT LIVE ONLINE YET. ARE WE LIVE BACK ON THE INTERNET? >>THE CLERK: YES. YES, WE'RE LIVE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: NOBODY REGISTERED ON NUMBER 68 THAT'S ONLINE? >>THE CLERK: THE ONE PERSON THAT WAS REGISTERED IS NOT LOGGED ON AT THIS TIME. >>MARTIN SHELBY: OKAY. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES, SIR. >> ROSS SIMMONS, RIGHT-OF-WA MAPPING COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY OF TAMPA. I AM HERE TO PRESENT ITEM NUMBER 68, FILE VAC 20-17. IT'S AN ORDINANCE BEING PRESENTED FOR FIRST READING AND CONSIDERATION. AN ORDINANCE VACATING, CLOSING, DISCONTINUING, AND ABANDONING A PORTION OF A RIGHT-OF-WAY OR ALLEYWAY LOCATED SOUTH OF KNOLLWOOD STREET, NORTH OF FORD STREET, EAST OF DIXON AVENUE, THE PLAT OF AVALON HEIGHTS, AHI- SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, FLORIDA, AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 HEREOF, SUBJECT TO CERTAIN EASEMENT RESERVATIONS, COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN; PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. I PASSED AROUND SLIDES TO SHOW YOU, AND I WILL PRESENT THOSE HERE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WELCOME TO CITY COUNCIL, BY THE WAY. ALL THESE FOLKS WE'VE SEEN ASst GOES ON TELEVISION. CONTRARY TO PUBLIC OPINION, WE DON'T BITE. >> GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND HERE. THIS ALLEYWAY WAS CREATED BY THE SUBDIVISION PLAT OF AVALON HEIGHTS. THE ALLEY IS UNIMPROVED. CURRENTLY GRASS AND DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE UD BY ANY -- ONLY FOR ACCESS. PARTIALLY FENCED ON NORTH AND SOUTH ENDS. WASTEWATER AND FRONTIER HAVE FACILITIES IN THE ALLEY. AND THERE IS AN ACTIVE CODE CASE FOR FENCING IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. THIS IS A CLIP OF THE PLAT FOR AVALON HEIGHTS. IT IS IN BLOCK 28. PARCEL IN CONSIDERATION IS LOT ONE, AND AS YOU CAN SEE, SOME OF THESE PREVIOUS ALLEYWAYS THAT ARE VACATED ARE HATCHED AND THE CURRENT ONE APPLICATION IS IN BLOCK 28. THIS IS THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING SOUTH FROM KNOLLWOOD STREET. THIS IS THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING NORTH FROM FORD AVENUE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: IS THE ALLEYWAY -- CAN YOU PUT THAT BACK UP, PLEASE? IS THE ALLEYWAY TO THE RIGHT OF THAT TELEPHONE POLE? WHERE ALL THE OVERGROWTH IS? >> YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: HOLD THAT ONE SECOND. THEY SAID THE FENCE OBSTRUCTS THE ALLEYWAY. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YET IT IS TO THE RIGHT OF THE TELEPHONE POLE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THOUGHT IT'S RIGHT WHERE THE FENCE IS. IN OTHER WORDS, THE TELEPHONE POLE IS IN THE MIDDLE -- >> IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY IN THE MIDDLE BUT WITHIN THAT ALLEYWAY, YES. THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE EASEMENT RESERVATIONS, RECOMMENDATIONS. THIS IS THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY LOOKING WEST FROM DIXON AVENUE. THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING SOUTH FROM FORD STREET, AND THIS IS THE AREA NOT TO BE VACATED. >>JOSEPH CITRO: NOT TO SPLIT HAIRS, WHERE IS THE ALLEYWAY ON THAT PICTURE? >> THIS IS THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING SOUTH FROM FORD STREET, WHICH IS NOT TO BE VACATED, AND THAT IS 33 HERE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGAIN, I DO NOT MEAN TO SPLIT HAIRS. IS THAT CONCRETE SLAB IN THE ALLEYWAY OR FENCE IN THE ALLEYWAY OR BOTH? >>ORLANDO GUDES: POINT OF ORDER. MR. CITRO HAS THE FLOOR. >> TECHNICALLY, YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TECHNICALLY SAY ONE OR THE OTHER WITHOUT A FULL SURVEY, BUT FROM THE LOOKS OF IT, THEY ARE BOTH -- >>JOSEPH CITRO: AGAIN, NO OFFENSE TO YOU, BUT YOU ARE SAYING THIS IS THE ALLEYWAY AND I STILL HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE ALLEYWAY IS. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE OTHER PICTURE PLEASE? MR. CHAIR, PLEASE, INDULGE ME. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THE OTHER ONE. THE OTHER PICTURE. >> THERE ARE A BUNCH OF OTHER PICTURES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M SORRY. THE ONE WITH THE TELEPHONE POLE. NOW, YOU SAY THIS IS THE ALLEYWAY. AGAIN, I'M TRYING TO GET MY BEARING ON THESE PICTURES. IS IT THE PARTHAT'OVEROWN? >> YES. PARTIALLY OVERGROWN AND THAT TELEPHONE POLE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: I'M TRYING TO GET MY BEARING AND TRY TO VISUALIZE WHERE THIS ALLEYWAY USED TO BE BEFORE THE OVERGROWTH, BEFORE THE FENCE, BEFORE THE CONCRETE SLAB. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER, YOU'RE RECOGNIZED. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THIS IS LOOKING NORTH FROM FORD -- >> FORD LOOKING NORTH. BLOCK 28. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THE OTHER PICTURE YOU SHOWED US THAT HAD THE OLD LOOKING FENCE -- PUT THAT MAP BACK UP -- THE OTHER PICTURE YOU SHOWED US WAS LOOKING SOUTH FROM FORD TO SHOW US WHAT'S HAPPENING ACROSS THE STREET. AGAIN, NOW PUT THAT PICTURE BACK UP WITH THE OLD LOOKING FENCE. THIS IS LOOKING SOUTH AT SOMETHING THAT'S NOT REALLY RELEVANT. >>JOSEPHITROI'M NOT DIRECTIONALLY CHALLENGED. I JUST WANTED TO VISUALIZE WHERE THE ALLEYWAY SHOULD BE. IF YOU'RE LOOKING ONE WAY ON AN ALLEYWAY LOOKING SOUTH, OBVIOUSLY ON THE OTHER SIDE YOU'RE LOOKING NORTH. BUT I JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHERE THE ALLEY USED TO BE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU'RE GOOD NOW SIR. ALL RIGHT. YOU MAY CONTINUE, SIR. >> HERE'S ANOTHER IMAGE. CONTINUATION OF THE ALLEYWAY LOOKING NORTH FROM KNOLLWOOD STREET. THAT'S AGAIN NOT TO BE VACATED. THAT IS NOT CONSIDERED WITH THE APPLICATION. FINALLY, THE RECOMMENDATION, STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THIS REQUEST, EASEMENTS FOR WASTEWATER AND FRONTIER MUST BE RETAINED OVERALL AND COMPLY WITH CONDITIONS FOR NATURAL RESOURCES. AGAIN, THAT GOES BACK TO THE TELEPHONE POLE SITUATION THAT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT. THANK YOU. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY QUESTIONS, GENTLEMEN? >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU, SIR. DIDN'T MEAN TO MAKE IT DIFFICULT. >> YOU'RE GOOD. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANY SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM? ANYBODY ONHE SECOND FLOOR? >> RHODES. I AM THE PROPERTY OWNER. >>ORLANDO GUDES: SWORN IN. [OATH ADMINISTERED] >> MY NAME IS BILL RHODES. I'M THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THE ALLEY BEHIND MY HOUSE I TRYG TO VACATE. IT HAS BEEN WELL TAKEN CARE OF. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE CARE OF IT AND HAVE MY FENCE, VINYL FENCE THAT'S ALREADY ON THE PROPERTY. BEEN THERE FOR 21 YEARS. IT WAS A DILAPIDATED WOODEN FENCE AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS REALLY COMING UP. WE HAVE $400,000 HOME THAT JUST SOLD RECENTLY AND A $300,000 BEHIND MY HOUSE. SO I THINK IT WOULD BENEFIT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND DEFITEL FOR SOMEBODY TO TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY ON TRIMMING THE TREES AND KEEPING THE GRASS DOWN AND THE WEEDS. I >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. ANYBODY ELSE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST TO CONFIRM -- >>ORLANDO GUDES: ANYBODY ELSE OUT THERE? >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO. MR. MIRANDA. ROLL CALL PLEASE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WILL YOU MOVE IT SIR? SURE. >>LUIS VIERA: MOCH AN ORDINANCE FOR FIRST READING CONSIDERATION, VACATING CLOSING DISCONTINUING, ABAONING A PORTION OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY ALLEY LOCATED SOUTH OF KNOLLWOOD STREET NORTH OF FORD STREET EAST OF DIXON AVENUE AND WEST OF BRANCH AVENUE WITHIN THE PLAT OF AVALON HATES A SUBDIVISION IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FLORIDA AS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED IN SECTION 1 HEREOF SUBJECT TO CERTAIN EASEMENT RESERVATIONS,CO COVENANTS, CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS AS MORE PARTICULARLY SET FORTH HEREIN PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ROLL CALL. MR. DINGFELDER. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF VACATING ALLEYS, AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, AND MR. CARLSON AND I ARE OFTEN IN OPPOSITION TO THESE. BUT THIS PARTICULAR ONE LOOKS LIKE IT ONLY HAS AN IMPACT POTENTIALLY ON FOUR HOUSES AND SPECIFICALLY HAS A TELEPHONE POLE THAT WOULD BLOCK ANY ACCESS, VEHICULAR ACCESS OR WHAT HAVE YOU. AND IT'S APPARENTLY ACCORDING TO THE EVIDENCE NEVER BEEN USED BY ANY OF THOSE FOUR HOUSES. SO IN LIGHT OF ALL OF THAT I'LL SUPPORTHE MION. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, SIR. ROLL CALL. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>LUIS VIERA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: NO. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON VOTING NO. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. WELL, IT'S WELL PAST 1:30 SO WE GO TO ITEM 69. >>THE CLERK: SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL BE HELD ON JULY I WANT TO GO BACK TO ITEM NUMBER 5 AND 6 BECAUSE I THINK I FAILED TO MENTION THOSE. FOR BOTH OF THOSE SECOND READING AND ADOPTION WILL ALSO BEING HELD ON JULY 15, 2021 AT 9:30 A.M. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU, MA'AM. ITEM 69. CHIEF OF STAFF. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM NOT THE CHIEF OF STAFF BUT I AM HERE RESPECTFULLY ON BEHALF OF CHIEF OF STAFF, CAROLE POST, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY. TODAY I HAVE TWO ITEMS TO REPORT TO YOU UNDER THE ADMINISTRATIO UPDATE. SAVING CHIEF OF STAFF THE STEPS ACROSS THE PARKING LOT. FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE ABBYE FEELEY UP. THERE WAS A MEMO TRANSMITTED TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL REQUESTING DIALOGUE AND I HOPE SOME FEEDBACK ABOUT HE SCHEDULING OR RESETTING SOME OF THE ACTIONS THAT WOULD BE BEFORE COUNCIL FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR, IN AN EFFORT TO CATCH UP ON SOME OF THE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS AND OTHER MATTERS, AS WE KNOW THEY ARE EXTENDING SO FAR INTO THE NIGHT, AND ALSO GETTING BACK UP ON CALENDARING. ABBEY CAN PROVIDE MORE DETAILS ABOUT THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO GET YOUR INPUT ON THE BEST PATH FORWARD TO HELP KIND OF SEE US THROUGH CATCHING THOSE CASES UP, AND GETTING OURSELVES BACK ON COURSE. SECONDLY WOULD BE A BRIEF PRESENTATION BY MYSELF AND CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL JOHN HUTCHINSON WHO IS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE AS WELL TO UPDATE THIS GROUP ON MORE THAN A YEAR'S WORTH OF ACTIVITY THAT'S BEEN DONE AT OUR CONSTRUCTION SERVICES AND OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES CENTER RELATIVE TO CUSTOMER SERVICE IMPROVEMENTS AND OTHER WAYS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO DO BUSINESS WITH ON THE DEVELOPMENT FRONT. SO I HAVE THOSE TWO PRESENTATIONS. I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT WE HAD SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES HERE AT THE CITY WITH INTERNET AND WI-FI ACCESS. THAT'S WHY YOU ARE SEEING SOME OF THE ACTUAL BODIES OF THE FRIENDLY FACES OF OUR COORDINATION TEAM HERE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEY SCRAMBLE VERY QUICKLY TO COME BE ON-SITE. I HEARD SOMEONE TOOK A SCOOTER OVER HERE TO MAKE IT ON TIME. SO I APPRECIATE THEIR EFFORTS. SO WITH THAT LET ME TURN IT OVER TO DIRECTOR ABBYE FEELEY FOR THE A MORANDUM ABOUT AROUNDOULD HAVE RESCHEDULING SOME OF THE QUASI-JUDICIAL AND OTHER RELATED MATTERS ON THE CALENDAR. THANKS. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE ARE GOING TO MAKE VIK REALLY HAPPY IF YOU ARE USING A SCOOTER. INCLUDING SCOOTER JOE. JC HAS BEEN OUT WITH ME ON SOME RECENT PROJECTS SO WE ARE EXCITED TO HAVE HIM WITH YOU THIS AFTERNOON FOR THAT PRESENTATION AS WL. I JUST WANTED TO START BRIEFLY AND WISH YOU A HAPPY BIRTHDAY, COUNCILMAN CITRO. I DID NOTE GET TO DO THAT WHEN I FIRST CAME UP. >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WANT TO THANK ALL FOR HAVING THIS IN FRONT OF ME ESPECIALLY YOU, ABBEY, THAT I HAVE BEEN WAITING YEARS. THANK YOU, MRS. FEELEY. >>ABBYE FEELEY: THANK YOU. I THINK ANASTASIA BARNES, SHE ACTUALLY BROKE HER ALE SO SHE WAS DOWN HERE ON A ME SCOOTER TODAY. WE DIDN'T WANT TO HOLD COUNCIL UP. SO REALLY THANKFUL TO MY TEAM FOR JUMPING INTO ACTION AND BEING PRESENT THIS AFTERNOON. I KNOW IN THE PAST 12 MONTHS GIVEN THE PANDEMIC AND OTHER ITEMS THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON, WE HAVE MADE A LOT OF DIFFERENT CONCESSIONS IN KEEPING OUR BUSINESS MOVING FORWARD INCLUDING BEING AT THE CONVENTION CENTER, BEING HERE, BEING HYBRID, BEING JUST INTERACTING IN SO MANY NEW DIFFERENT WAYS. I AM HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS WITH YOU THE UPCOMING COUNCIL CALENDAR AND OUR APPLICATION FILINGS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR. A BIT OF BACKGROUND. HAVING PROCESSED THE REZONINGS TO COUNCIL FOR CLOSE TO 15 YEARS MYSELF, WE ALWAYS WERE ALLOWED TO HAVE 13 ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. WE USED THOSE TYPICALLY AS TEN NEW ITEMS AND THREE PENDING ITEMS. SO WHEN WE CAME BEFORE YOU, WHEN A CONTINUANCE OCCURRED, WE WOULD HAVE A SPECIAL SLOT READY FOR THEM TO GO TO. RECENTLY, COUNCIL PROVIDED DIRECTION TO STAFF TO GO TO TEN ITEMS, AND WE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT, BUT BASED ON THIS DIRECTION AND LIMITATION OF TEN AND OUR CURRENT RATE OF FILINGS, WE NOW HAVE APPLICATIONS SCHEDULED OUT TILL DECEMBER. AND I WANT TO SHOW YOU WHY IT'S KIND OF WEIRD. HERE IS OUR APPLICATION DEADLINE. AS YOU ALL NEW YORK CITY WE WORK OPEN A CYCLE. APPLICATIONS COME IN, 30 DAYS LATER, GO TO CRC, 30 DAYS LATER REVISED, 30 DAYS LATER THEY COME TO YOU SO WE ARE ABOUT A 90 TO 105 PROCESS FOR REZONINGS THAT COME BEFORE YOU. ON MAY 24th WE HAD A LARGE NUMBER OF FILINGS BUT WITH THE TEN-CASE LIMITATION, WE FILD UP THROUGH DECEMBER. WE HAVE ONE CASE NOW ON DECEMBER. SO NEXT WEEK ON JUNE 28th WE WILL HAVE OUR NEXT DEADLINE. THOSE TEN CASES IN THEORY WOULD HAVE BEEN PLACED ON THE OCTOBER 14th HEARING BUT THERE'S ALREADY TEN MAX. SO WE ARE ABOUT 21 CASES OVER THE CYCLE WHERE WE TECHNICALLY SHOULD BE. SO ANYTHING THAT COMES IN I KNOW WILL FINISH UP DECEMBER AND THEN WE'LL GO TO JANUARY. BUT WE ARE AHEAD OF OURSELVES BY VERAL MONTHS IN WHAT'S COMING IN. SO I DID PROVIDE A MEMORANDUM TO YOU AND A COUPLE OF RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU AND SEE IF THERE MIGHT BE A POSSIBILITY OF IMPLEMENTING. THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION WAS -- OH, I'M SORRY, ONE THING I FAILED TO GO OVER. IN ADDITION TO US PLACING CASES ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION COMES TO YOU AND ALSO ASKS FOR ONE OF THOSE NIGHT HEARINGS. AND THEY USED TO USE ONE OF THE SECOND HEARINGS OF THE MONTH, AND I BELIEVE THEY HAVE 15 CASES THAT THEY ARE GETTING READY TO COME TO YOU TO SET. WELL, IF THEY USE ONE OF OUR TWO EVENING HEARINGS, THEN WE WON'T HAVE AN ABILITY TO PUT ANY CASES ON THAT NIGHT. SO MY FIRST RECOMMENDATION FOR CONSIDERATION WAS TO ASK JUST FOR THE MAP AMENDMENT AND THAT WOULD NOT USE ANY OF THE TEN CASES ON EITHER OF THE NIGHTS THAT LAND DEVELOPMENT OR DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION WOULD TYPICALLY USE TO BRING APPLICATIO THA ARE IN OUR CYCLE. THE SECOND WOULD BE TO ALLOW UP TO 13 CASES FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR JUST TO GET US BACK ON TRACK. AND WE WOULD DO THAT MINGLING THE REZONINGS AND THE ALCOHOL. SO TYPICALLY THE SECOND THURSDAY NIGHT OF THE MONTH REZONINGS, THE FOURTH THURSDAY NIGHT OF THE MONTH YOU HEAR THE ALCOHOL CASES. FILLING UP, THREE OR FOUR CASES, SO WE WOULD USE SOME OF THOSE OVERFLOW TEN CASES TO GO BACK AND FILL THOSE IN, AND WE BELIEVE WE COULD GET BACK TO ON TRACK. THE OTHER RECOMMENDATION FOR CONSIDERATION I HAVE FOR YOU WAS TO START AT 5:01. THAT WAY, WE COULD GAIN ANOTHER HOUR, EVEN THOUGH WE WERE ASKING YOU FOR ADDITIONAL, WE COULD GAIN ANOTHER HOUR. AND THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO MONITOR AND MANAGE THOSE CASES AS WELL. ALL THAT BEING SAID, WHATEVER YOU WOULD CONSIDER, OR RECOMMEND, WORK WITH US ON, WE COULD COME BACK TO YOU THE NEXT ALCOHOL DEADLINE IS AUGUST 2nd. SO WE COULD COME BACK TO YOU AT THE BEGINNING OF AUGUST BASED ON WHATEVER DIRECTION WE TAKE TODAY, AND WE COULD GIVE YOU AN UPDATE AS TO WHERE WE ARE, AND ON ALL THOSE CASE NUMBERS, WHAT WE HAVE, AND HOW WE ARE BACK ON TRACK, AND WE WOULD PROPOSE TO KEEP IN COMMUNICATION WITH YOU ON THAT SO THAT WE WOULD ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT WOULD BE FORTHCOMING BEFORE THE BOARD, AND HOW WE COULD WORK TO MANAGE THAT SO THAT WE STAY WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME FRAME, KEEP THE CASES ON TRACK, AND KEEP YOUR BUSINESS MOVING SMOOTHLY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOMMENDED, MR. MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS. I DON'T MIND 5:01 I.ADOPT MIND 13. SO WHATEVER. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AGREE WITH MR. MANISCALCO. TO CATCH UP, WE HAVE A CITY THAT IS VERY POPULAR, AND WE HAVE TO FACE THE FACTS. HOWEVER, WE USED TO HAVE ALCOHOL ZONINGS IN THE DAY AND WE CHANGED THEM TO THE NIGHT. HOW MANY NIGHT? CAN WE PUT SOME OF THE -- AND I'M SURE YOU HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE -- SOME OF THE ZONING WITH ALCOHOL? MAYBE THAT WILL ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE PROBLEM. >>ABBYE FEELEY: THE OTHER CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THAT IN AUGUST AND NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER, WE ONLY HAVE ONE NIGHT HEARING A MONTH. SO WHERE WE WOULD HAVE HAD THE TWO TO GIVE US POTENTIALLY 20 ITEMS ON TWO DIFFERENT NIGHTS, WE ONLY HAVE ONE HEARING ON THOSE MONTHS. SO THAT, TOO, IS COUPLING WHAT'S GOING ON. AND THE OTHER ITEM IS THAT ALCOHOL RUNS ON A SHORT SCHEDULE, SO FOR THE OCTOBER 14th -- I'M SORRY, FOR THE OCTOBER 28th HEARING, I WON'T KNOW TILL AUGUST 2nd WHAT ALCOHOL WE MAY HAVE THAT EVENING. SO THAT'S WHY I SAID, IF YOU GIVE US THE FLEXIBILITY NOW TO EXPAND THE NUMBER OF ITEMS, OR A COMBINATION, EVEN IF YOU SAID 11 OR 12, WHATEVER IT WOULD BE, WE WOULD COME IN, WORK WITH THOSE HEARINGS IN THE MOST OFFICIAL WAY WE COULD TO MINGLE THOSE ALCOHOLIC ZONINGS AND TO TRY TO GET THINGS ALONG. BUT WHAT I SHOWED YOU IN THE OVERFLOW OF THE 10, 10, 10 AND 1, THAT'S ALL ZONING. NONE OF THAT IS ALCOHOL. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY. SO WHAT YOU ARE TELLING US WITHOUT TELLING US, I THINK, IS THE ALCOHOL, YOU ARE NEVER FULL WITH 10. BUT YOU ARE WITH ZONING. SO WE HAVE NEVER LIMITED THE ALCOHOL. BUT WE HAVE LIMITED THE ZONING. BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO GET. >>ABBYE FEELEY: WE HAVE ALWAYS PER COUNCIL DIRECTION 10 ITEMS. WE NEVER CALLED THEM ONE OR THE OTHER -- I'M SORRY -- A LOT OF TIMES -- A LOT OF THOSE 10 ITEMS WOULD INCLUDE PLAAMENDMENTS. SO THAT'S WHAT ALSO HAPPENED, I THINK, LAST MONTH, OR I'M SORRY, IS HAPPENING NEXT WEEK ON JUNE 24th, YOU HAVE A COUPLE MIXED IN BECAUSE PLANNING COMMISSION CAME TO YOU WITH ITEMS, THAT WAS OUR ALCOHOL NIGHT, WE HAD ITEMS, SO I ALWAYS LOOK AT THEM AS ITEMS, NOT AS WHAT TYPE OF APPLICATION THEY ARE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AGREE WITH MR. MANISCALCO FOR THE SEPTEMBER DATE OR ZONING JUST FOR THE -- >>ABBYE FEELEY: PLAN AMENDMENTS? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: AND I AGREE TO INTEGRATE THE ZONING WITH THE LAND USE BECAUSE WE CAN HANDLE IT KIND OF QUICKLY, I BELIEVE. NOT THE ZONING. THE ALCOHOL. THERE'S TESTIMONY BUT THERE'S NOT TESTIMONY WITH A LOT OF ACTION BEHIND IT, YES OR NO, YOU MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, SO FORTH AND SO ON, HOURS OF OPERATION. THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE HAVE TO GO OVER AND DO A HISTORY ON. SO THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION TO ALLOW THEM THE FLEXIBILITY OF GETTING SOMETHING DONE TO ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IN THIS CITY. WE ARE GOING TO GET BACKED UP AS WE GO EVEN FURTHER, BECAUSE THE CITY IS BECOMING MORE POPULAR, NOT BECAUSE OF US BUT BECAUSE OF YOU GUYS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YOU ARE RECOGNIZED SIR. >>BILL CARLSON: AS I SAID EARLIER, MY PREFERENCE IS TO -- I'M FLEXIBLE AS LONG AS WE CAN KEEP IT ON THURSDAY, PLEASE. I THINK THE PUBLIC HAS AN EXPECTATION THAT WE ARE GOING TO MEET ON THURSDAYS. I BLOCK OUT ALL DAY AND NIGHT THURSDAY WHETHER WE HAVE A NIGT MEETING OR NOT AND JUST WITH THE OTHER SCHEDULES, IT'S BETTER TO DO IT THAT WAY. SO I'M OKAY MEETING AT 5:00. I WOULD RATHER -- YOU MENTIONED SEPTEMBER 30. I WOULD RATHER ADD ONE OR TWO THURSDAY NIGHTS TO CATCH UP RATHER THAN 5 P.M. BUT I JUST WANT TO KEEP IT ALL ON THURSDAYS IF POSSIBLE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I AGREE WITH MR. CARLSON. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: [OFF MICROPHONE] SO I CONCUR. I'M TOTALLY IN AGREEMENT WITH 5 P.M. START. SOMETIMES IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE DIFFICULT FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS WORKING TILL 5:00 BUT I THINK MOST PEOPLE'S SCHEDULES ARE FLIBLE I'M GOOD WITH SWITCHING SOME OF THOSE ALCOHOL NIGHTS TO REZONING SPOTS. THE ONLY SUGGESTION I WOULD MAKE LOOKING AT THE SEPTEMBER CALENDAR IS THE 30th WOULD BE OUR FIFTH THURSDAY, AND ACCORDING TO THE CALENDAR THE CLERK TOLD US, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MEETING AT ALL THAT DAY. WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST INSTEAD IS TO LOOK AT THE 16th, A REGULAR COUNCIL DAY, AND WE ALL HAVE TO BE HERE WITH OUR LITTLE SUITS ON AND EVERYTHING, AND JUST STAY THE 16th, AND THEN CONTINUE TO LEAVE THE 30th OFF. AS -- BECAUSE IT'S A FIFTH THURSDAY. WE DON'T HAVE THAT MANY FIFTH THURSDAYS DURING THE YEAR. I THINK THERE'S LIKE TWO. >>JOSEPH CITRO: WE HAD COVID. WE HAD TIME OFF. I BELIEVE IT WAS MARCH OF THIS YEAR WE HEARD THOSE WORDS, WE FINALLY CAUGHT UP. I WAS ELECTED TO DO THIS JOB. I COULD BE HERE 24/7 ON THURSDAYS. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE TO ME. THAT IS WHAT I WAS ELECTED TO DO. MY CONCERN MORE IS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT COME HERE AND -- HER LAST NAME IS HARD TO SAY, NOW WHO I AM TALKING ABOUT, THE LOVELY LADY SOUTH OF GANDY, WHO ALWAYS SAID WE ARE ALWAYS THE LAST ONES TO BE HEARD, AND SHE'S LITH RIGHT. YOU HEARD HER AT MIDNIGHT. YOU HEARD HER AT 1:00. AGAIN MY CONCERN IS MORE FOR THE CITIZENS TO COME DOWN HERE, 5:01, AND 6:00 THEY MIGHT NOT GET THEIR CASES HEARD. WE HAVE HAD LONG MEETINGS THAT HAVE GONE FROM 9:00 UNTIL 5:30, WHERE WE HAD A HALF HOUR FOR DINNER AND HAD TO SHALL BACK HERE AT 6:00. I WAS ELECTED TO DO THAT. YOU DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL. I UNDERSTAND THAT. WE DON'T. IF THEY ARE GOING TO COME A TIME WHEN WE HAVE TO HAVE ANOER EVENING SESSION DURING THE WEEK? AND, IF SO, HOW QUICKLY WOULD THAT ALLEVIATE THINGS TO WHERE WE WOULD GET BACK TO NORMAL? >>ABBYE FEELEY: ABBYE FEELEY. THAT'S COMPLETELY UP TO THE DISCUSSION OF COUNCIL. AND I AM COMING TO YOU NOW BECAUSE I KNOW IF I DON'T, THEN MANY OF THESE APPLICANTS WHO FILED UNDER THESE CYCLES ARE GOING TO SAY, I FILED UNDER THIS SEPTEMBER CYCLE BUT I AM NOT BEING HEARD TILL NOVEMBER, WHAT IS COUNCIL DOING, ORHOWRE W ADDRESSING THAT? AND I WANT TO BE FORTHRIGHT FOR YOU SO WE ARE ADDRESSING IT. SO THE 16th, I THINK, IS GREAT. THERE ARE BUDGET HEARINGS SO I AM NOT SURE WHAT YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO DO ABOUT THAT. BUT WE CAN ADD ANOTHER EVENING HEARING. I AM HERE FOR YOUR FEEDBACK AND AN OPEN DISCUSSION ON THIS MATTER. I'M HAPPY TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE IN WHATEVER WAY WE CAN TO MOVE ALL OF US FORWARD. >>JOSEPH CITRO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AGAIN I WAS ELECTED TO DO THIS. I AM THINKING MORE FOR THE CITIZENS AND WHAT THEY HAVE TO COME DOWN HERE. AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA IS RIGHT. OUR CITY IS GROWING. WE ARE GETTING BIGGER. WE ARE HAVING MORE PEOPLE COME HERE. IT'S GOING TO COME TO A POINT WHERE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE THAT DECISION. THANK YOU, CHAIR. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I THINK IT WAS COVERED HERE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE HAPPY, THAT THE WORLD IS HAPPY, EVERYBODY IS DOING THE RIGHT THING. THAT'S ALL. WE HAVE GOT TO HELP YOU GUYS. AT THE SAME TIME YOU HAVE TO HELP US MOVING OF THE CALENDAR. I AM NOT OPPOSED TO WHAT WAS SAID ABOUT MR. MANISCALCO OR ANYONE ELSE BUT I AGREE WITH MR. CARLSON, THURSDAY IS THE DAY. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL RIGHT. WELL, I HAD DISCUSSION WITH THE STAFF AND I INSTRUCTED MR. SHELBY TO INDIVIDUALLY GET WITH YOU GUYS, AND MR. HAROLD, BECAUSE IT'S POSSIBLE WE ARE HAVING A BUDGET HEARING ON FRIDAY EVENING, OR A HOLIDAY WEEKEND, I BELIEVE. SO DISCUSSION TO BE HAD, AND I AM GOING TO LET MR. SHELBY, I PRETTY MUCH PUT IT OUT THERE TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF, AND THAT'S A BIG ASK, A HOLIDAY WEEKEND, TO HAVE A BUDGET HEARING WITH FOLKS GOING OUT OF TOWN, YOU KNOW. I THINK THAT'S ASKING MUCH FOR THE PUBLIC TO PUSH THAT ONTO THEM ON A FRIDAY EVENING, BUT THE DISCUSSION NEEDS TO BE HAD. MR. SHELBY, YOU ARE RECOGNIZED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I DID PUT A BEGINNING THE PROCESS, BUT THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION, AND I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH CITY COUNCIL AFTER I MEET WITH MR. ROGERO AND DISCUSSING IT. BUT AS OF NOW, AS YOU HEARD, MR. CHAIRMAN, DURING AGENDA REVIEW, THE CITY HAS VERY LIMITED OPTIONS. I HAVEN'T HEARD ALL THE FACTS. BUT THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS I BELIEVE -- MS. LUCAS IS FAMILIAR WITH THIS -- CONTEMPLATING TWO FRIDAY HEARINGS IN SEPTEMBER FOR THE BUDGET. ONEF THEM AS YOU SAID IS RIGHT BEFORE LABOR DAY WEEKEND. IS THAT CORRECT, AS I RECALL IT? >>ORLANDO GUDES: I'M JUST SAYING, TWO FRIDAYS, PUTTING IT OUT THERE. I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW. >>MARTIN SHELBY: AND I CAN PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION WHEN I TALK WITH YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE THE JEWISH HOLIDAY IN SEPTEMBER THAT CAUSE A CONCERN AS WELL. A LOT OF FACTORS TAKE PLACE, AND ALSO IN TERMS OF THE HIERARCHY OF WHO GETS TO SET THE HEARINGS FIRST. TOUGH COUNTY ANDOU HAVE THE SCHOOL BOARD THAT DO TAKE PRIORITY OVER THE CITY WHEN THEY SET THEIR PUBLIC HEARINGS. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I MEAN, I AM UNABLE TO DO ANYTHING TO PUSH THESE NUMBERS DOWN TO GET THEM OUT. BUT I STILL STICK WITH ABOUT 11:00. WE ACCOMPLISH NOTHING GOING PAST THAT TIME, PEOPLE ARE TIRED, SAFETY CONDITIONS. YOU KNOW, I AM A STRONG CONCERN WITH THAT. SO I CAN'T ADVOCATE ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO PUSH US PAST AN 11:00 DEAINE. YOU ARE RECOGNIZE, MR. CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: FRIDAY NIGHTS ARE NOT ACCEPTABLE AT ALL, NOT FOR US BUT THE PUBLIC. THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO BE REALLY, REALLY UPSET ABOUT THAT. AND THERE'S ALL KINDS OF SPORTING EVENTS THAT HAPPEN ON FRIDAY NIGHT AND EVERYTHING. AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WANT TO DEAL WITH THE BACKLASH ON THAT. I AM WILLING TO COME IN EVERY THURSDAY NIGHT AND HELP WITH THAT. THAT'S WHEN THE PUBLIC EXPECTS US TO COME IN. BUT FRIDAY NIGHT IN PARTICULAR BEFORE A HOLIDAY, WE ARE ALL GOING TO GET ACCUSED OF TRYING TO HIDE SOMETHING. IT'S NOT WORTH IT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. SHELBY, I THINK YOU KIND OF HEARD FROM THE COUNCIL MEMBERS ALREADY, SO I SUGGEST YOU GET WITH MR. ROGERO AND CHIEF OF STAFF, AND TWO FRIDAY NIGHTS, IT WOULD BE A SPECIAL DAY, AND FRIDAY WOULD BE VERY HARD FOR US. >>MARTIN SHELBY: I HAVE A FEELING THE ADMINISTRATION HAS HEARD IT AS WELL. THANK YOU. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: AS LONG AS WE ARE TALKING CALENDAR, MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. SHELBY, I APPRECIATE YOU POINTING THIS OUT. I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY TOO LATE TO DO ANYTHING, BUT THURSDAY, THE 16th OF SEPTEMBER, ALL DAY LONG IS YOM KIPPUR. IT ALSO APPEARS THAT IT'S A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE 16th OF NOVEMBER? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: WE ARE EXPRESSLY NOT SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING. MS. ZELMAN CAN HELP US ON THAT, TOO. >>LUIS VIERA: MEAN, MR. SHELBY, IS IT TOO LATE TO MOVE THAT? >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO, IT'S NOT TOO LATE. BUTT THE QUESTION IS HOW IT AFFECTS THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. WE HAVE TO FIND OUT IF THEY ARE SCHEDULING. SEPTEMBER IS FAR ENOUGH AWAY, I WOULD THINK, TO BE ABLE TO RESCHEDULE THAT CERTAINLY. OBVIOUSLY, COUNCIL, AND I APOLOGIZE, BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE OBVIOUSLY AND OVERSIGHT. HISTORICALLY AND TRADITIONALLY AND BY DIRECTION, WE DON'T SET CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS ON YOM KIPPUR. FO DEVELOPMENT AND ECONOMICOR OPPORTUNITY. I CERTAINLY DO NOT WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF CHIEF BENNETT RELATIVE TO THE BUDGET HEARINGS, BUT I THINK WHAT WE HAVE CERTAINLY I FELT, AND MS. FEELEY HAVE VERY HELPFUL DIRECTION FROM YOU RELATIVE TO RESCHEDULING OUR DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION MATTERS, SO WE'LL TAKE THOSE BACK, AND REFLECT ON THAT, AND FACTOR THAT FEEDBACK IN, AS WELL AS RECONCILE IT WITH WHAT WE ARE HEARING AROUND THE BUDGET HEARINGS AND SOME OF THE REACTIONS TO THAT, AND CERTAINLY THE HOLIDAY COMPONENT. I TNK W CAN ABSORB ALL THAT AND COME BACK, WORK WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE AND WITH MR. SHELBY, AND COME BACK WITH A MORE COHESIVE SCHEDULE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: SOUNDS GOOD, MS. POST. >> THANK YOU, ABBEY. SO THE SECOND BRIEF PRESENTATION, I THINK OUR AV TEAM IS GOING TO BRING UP A PowerPoint PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL, JC HUTCHINSON. YOU HEARD FROM MS. FEELEY. HE WAS BROUGHT ON BOARD LAS APRIL. A YEOMAN'S EFFORTS TO JOIN AND RELOCATE DURING COVID TO SAY THE LEAST. HE HAS BROUGHT SUCH A FRESH PERSPECTIVE AND A LOT OF NEW TALENTS TO OUR TEAM, SOME OF WHICH YOU WILL SEE REFLECTED IN HIS PRESENTATION. JC HAS NEARLY 15 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE. HE'S A BACHELOR OF SCIENCE AND ARCHITECTURE FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE. THANK YOU. AND A MASTERS IN PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION. AND HE IS VERY WELL TRAVELED AS WELL IN TERMS OF INDTRY, ORGANIZATIONS, AND HE'S BEEN NOMINATED AND RECOGNIZED BY THOSE ORGANIZATIONS, AND WE ARE VERY, VERY PROUD TO HAVE HIM ON OUR TEAM AND LEADING CONSTRUCTION SERVICES. SO PART OF THE PRESENTATION TODAY WAS TO REFLECT ON THE EFFORTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE WITH THIS GROUP DATING BACK MORE THAN A YEAR AND A HALF SO IF YOU CAN INDULGE US FOR ABOUT A TEN-MINUTE PRESENTATION, WE WILL SKIM THROUGH IT AS RAPIDLY AS POSSIBLE BUT WE DID WANT TO REFLECT ON DOZENS OF DIFFERENT INITIATIVES, EFFORTS, TO REALLY OPEN THE DOORS OF GOVERNMENT TO THE PEOPLE THAT USE THEM, THE BIG DEVELOPERS, SMALL DEVELOPERS HOMEOWNERS CONTRACTORS, TRADES PEOPLE, AND EVERYONE WHO USES OUR FUNCTIONS TO DELIVER ON THEIR BUSINESS GOALS. HE SO JC. YOU ARE RIGHT UP FRONT. SO FOLLOWING THE SLIDES, I WANTED TO REFLECT THIS IN THE NOTION OF ONE OF THE FOUR OF THE MAYOR'S ADVISORY REPORTS THAT WERE PRODUCED BACK IN LATE 2019 AND EARLY 2020. TH I ONE OF THE FIRST THAT WAS DEVELOPED, DEVELOPING SERVICES ADVISORY REPORT. IT WAS ISSUED IN NOVEMBER OF 19. WE HAVE ALREADY BEGUN MAKING EFFORTS TO IMPLEMENT THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AND CERTAINLY HAVE CONTINUED THROUGH THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF. THIS REPORT REMAINS ONLINE FOR ANYONE TO SEE AS WELL AS ALL THE MINUTES AND NOTES RELATIVE TO THE PRODUCTION OF THE REPORT AND THE EFFORTS OF THE ADVISORY TEAM BROUGHT IN TO PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. THERE WERE FOUR TRACTS. WE WANTED TO TOUCH ON PROGRESS THAT'S BEEN MADE IN EACH OF THOSE FOUR TRACTORS. I WILL START WITH THE FIRST WHICE DEMANDS, HAVING SUFFICIENT RESOURCES. IT WAS ONE OF THE OBSERVATIONS THAT THE ADVISORY TEAM REFLECTED ON, WAS THAT AT THE TIME -- AND THIS WAS MID 2019-THE RATIO OF OUR NUMBER OF STAFF TO INFLUX AND GROWING DEMAND FOR THEIR SERVICES WAS NO LONGER ALIGNED. WE HAD MANY, MANY VACANCIES THAT HAD NOT BEEN FILLED FOR A HOST OF REASONS, BUT IT WAS JUST NOT REALLY ACCEPTING TO CONTINUE TO PERSIST IN THAT CONDITION. ONE ON OVER THE LAST YEAR, YOU SEE A REFLECTION OF IT EVEN HERE IN THE ROOM, AND FILLING THOSE VACANCIES. WE HAVE MADE A NUMBER OF SUBSTANTIAL NEW HIRES. CERTAINLY JC HIMSELF IN TERMS OF OUR CHIEF BUILDING OFFICIAL AND RUNNING OUR CONSTRUCTION SERVICES TEAM, THE REHIRING OF OUR EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND ABBYE FEELEY AND THE INCREDIBLE ASSET SHE HAS BROUGHT BACK TO THE CITY, THE PROMOTION OF ERIC COTTON TO DEVELOPMENT COORDINATION MANAGER, A LOT OF THOSE ON OUR TEAM BUT INTDUCI NEW TALENT AND REFLECTING ON THE PROMOTION AND TALENT THAT WE HAVE IN-HOUSE TO PROMOTE THEM. AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE SLIDE, WE ALSO INITIATED OUR CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT UNDER MR. GOERS' LEADERSHIP, AND THEN FILLED ALMOST ALL OUR VACANCIES. OUR OBLIGATION NOW IS TO JUST KEEP THAT CONSISTENTLY WELL STAFFED SO THAT WE CAN MEET DEMAND. WE ALSO DID A COUPLE OF REALIGNMENTS WITH SOME OF OUR FUNCTIONAL AREAS TO HAVE THEM BETTER SERVE THE CLIENTS THAT ARE NEEDING THOSE SERVICES. A LOT GOING ON ON THE ORGANIZATIONAL SIDE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: A QUESTION BERE Y MOVE ON. >>CAROLE POST: SURE. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE, PLEASE? THE CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND I THINK JUST FOR ANYBODY WATCHING, THIS IS SORT OF LONGER-TERM PLANNING AS OPPOSED TO DAY TO DAY, RESPONDING TO DAY TO DAY CRISES, BUT ANYWAY, HOW BIG IS -- >>CAROLE POST: IT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND IT'S GOOD TO DISTINGUISH. WE HAVE URBAN PLANNERS INTEGRATED INTO OUR DEVELMENT COORDINATION TEAM, AND THEY SERVE THAT FUNCTION THAT YOU SEE HERE IN TERMS OF DELIVERING ON THE QUASI-JUDICIALS AND THE REZONINGS AND A LOT OF THE MATTERS THAT COME THROUGH ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS. THE INITIATION OF A CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT WAS AROUND LONG-TERM PLANNING. IT WAS A VOID THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAD, RANDY AND HIS SEASONED BACKGROUND IS THE RIGHT GUY TO FILL INTO THAT ROLE. HE HAS PAST TALENT FROM ACROSS OTHER AREAS OF THIS CITY STAFF. HE HAS A TEAM OF -- I CALLT 3-4-35 FTE, SOME OF WHICH ARE ON LOAN FROM OTHER DEVELOPMENTS AND SOME OF WHICH HAVE BEEN FULL TIME TRANSFERRED TO HIM, FOR EXAMPLE, TO COVER FORESTRY ISSUES TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY ISSUES AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT CITY PLANNING, A SMALL BUT POWERFUL TEAM. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I THINK A LOT OF COMMENTS WE RECEIVED FROM NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS REALLY GET DOWN TO BRASS TACKS FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY, THE FACT THAT WE NEED MORE AND BETTER LONG-TERM PLANNERS. HISTORICALLY WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN UP THE STREET TO PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEY DO A GREAT JOB WITH WHATEVER THEY DO, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, CAROL, TO PUSH HARD FOR ADDITIONAL ONES ON RANDY'S GROUP AND IF YOU NEED HELP, FEEL FREE TO CALL US. >>CAROLE POST: THANK YOU. WILL DO. >>BILL CARLSON: JUST TO ADD TO THAT. I WANT TO APPLAUD YOU AND THE MAYOR FOR ADDING THAT UNIT AND GIVING RANDY SUPPORT. HE'S DONE GREAT JOB WITH THE DISTRICT PLANS AND WORKING ON THE SOUTH OF GANDY ONE, AND I GO WITH WHAT MR. DINGFELDER SAID, THE MORE PLANNERS WE HAVE THE BETTER. I KNOW YOU COME FROM THAT BACKGROUND. THANK YOU. >>CAROLE POST: THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK WE ALL RECOGNIZE WE ARE A BIG GROWING CITY, AND WITH RESPECT TO OUR PARTNERS AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO DO IT AN EXCELLENT JOB, AND WE WORK VERY COLLABORATIVELY WITH THEM, IT WAS AVOID YEAR IN OUR SHOP AND I THINK NOW HAVING THAT HERE SIMPLY COMPLEMENTS OUR ABILITY TO MOVE THAT FORWARD NO SOUND WAY. I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. WITH THAT I AM GOING TO TURN TO CHAPTER 2 AND THEN CHAPTER 3 OF THIS REPORT AND LET JC REPORT TO YOU SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE AROUND INCREASING TRANSPARENCY AND ACCOUNTABILITY TO KEY ASPECTS OF THE MAYOR'S STRATEGIES, AND THEN CHAPTER 3 REFLECTS UPON STREAMLINING, SO TRANSPARENCY INTO THE PROCESS IS GREAT, BUT IF WHAT IT SHOWS IS A BURDENSOME PROCESS, THAT'S NOT REALLY AN APPEALING OUTCOME EITHER. SO WE WANT TO MAKE IT TRANSPARENT AND ALSO STREAM LANE IT AT THE SAME TIME. SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO JC AND LET HIM SHA R SHARE SOME OF THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE. >> JC HUTCHINSON: I AM GOING TO TRY TO GIVE YOU AN ELEVATOR SPILL THON TO GET THROUGH AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE IN THE INTEREST OF TIME. THE FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT ARE OUR SERVICES WEB PAGE, OBVIOUSLY OUR 24 HOUR BILLBOARD. WE ARE HERE AND WE HAVE PEOPLE BEYOND THAT TIME TO PROVIDE CONSCIOUS EFFORTS TO, IF THEY KNOW HOW TO FIND IT AND HOW TO GET TO IT. UNDER OUR USER, THAT'S OUR ACA WHERE PEOPLE COME IN TO APPLY FOR PERMITS TO PUT THAT INFORMATION IN, TO ACQUIRE PERMITS. WE TRY TO MAKE THAT A LITTLE MORE VISUALLY APPEALING AND TRY TO BE A LITTLE MORE CONCISE ON THE DOCUMENTS TO MAKE IT A TOOL THAT EVERYONE CAN USE. UNDER OUR ADVISORY GROUPS WE CREATED DEVELOPMENT GROWTH MANAGEMENT, WE REALLY JUST WANTS TO BE ORDERLY WITH THE DESIGN COMMUNITY AND THE CONSTRUCTION COMMUNITY TO GET FEEDBACK FROM% THESE IMPROVEMENTS, FROM THE THINGS THAT WE ARE PUTTING IN PLACE, SO WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE THESE QUARTERLY, GET FEEDBACK AND THEN HAVE ACTION ITEMS AT THAT POINT. CREATED A PILOT PROGRAM. THEY ARE PART OF OUR SYSTEM. WE DO HAVE ACCESS TO THEM. SO WE TRY TO PROVIDE SURVEYS TO GIVE INFORMATION ON THE PERMITTING PROCESS SO IF THEY HAD A ISSUE WITH A FACILITATOR, AND WHERE THEROCE GOES AS OPPOSED TO GETTING ALL THE WAY TO THE END AND REMEMBERING WHAT HAPPENED SIX MONTHS AGO. WE ARE TRYING TO PUT THAT PILOT PROGRAM IN PLACE. A MORE LARGE SCALE PROJECTS, WE WANT TO CREATE THE WEBSITE AND KIND OF GIVE A PLACE FOR OUR PROJECT COORDINATOR FOR PEOPLE TO RECEIVE THAT INFORMATION. WE ARE DEALING WITH BIGGER PROJECTS LIKE WATER STREET OR MID TIME TOWN, THAT THOSE DEVELOPERS HAVE ONE POINT OF CONTACT TO GO THROUGH WALK THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS. TO KIND OF ENCAPSULATE THE VOLUME OF WORK THAT WEO, F PERMITTING, WE HAVE CREATED GIS MAP WHICH IS CURRENTLY AVAILABLE ON LINE RIGHT NOW THAT GIVES YOU THAT VOLUME OF CONSTRUCTION AND RESIDENTIAL PERMITS. WE DON'T DO THE TRADES. THESE ARE JUST RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL PROJECTS THAT ONGOING WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA THAT ARE CURRENTLY ACTIVE. YOU CAN SEE THOSE. PEOPLE CAN GO LOOK AT THEM, SAY HEY, THERE'S ILLEGAL WORK BEING DONE ON MY STREET, THIS IS KIND OF THAT VISUAL AID, INSTEAD OF ALWAYS KNOWING WHAT THAT ADDRESS IS TO GET THAT INFORMATION. ANOTHER WE ARE TRYING TO ADD IS OUR VIEW UP TAMPA. THE INTENT IS TO KEE PPLE THAT HAVE TO COME DOWN TO THE OFFICE TO SEE US, TO BE ABLE TO CREATE A VIRTUAL ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEY HAVE ISSUES WITH THEIR PLANS, IF THEY HAVE ISSUES WITH THEIR PERMITS, THAT THEY CAN MEET WITH OUR FACILITATORS, AND VIRTUALLY INSTEAD OF HAVING TO COME DOWN TO THE OFFICE, SAME DAY INSTEAD OF PLAYING PHONE TAG, E-MAIL TAG, GET THAT RESPONSE. CONSTRUCTION SERVICES SEEMS DATA DRIVEN, SO WE DEVELOP MORE TOOLS, TO BE ABLE TO SHOW AND EVALUATE OUR PERMITTING PROCESSES. SO HOPEFULLY WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION, THAT THEN WE CAN TAKE BACK TO MANAGEMENT OR TO ADMINISTRATION TO SAY THESE ARE THINGS WE ARE LACKING ON, WE HAVE THE DATA TO BACK IT UP, THIS IS WHY WE ARE ASKING FOR NEW EQUIPMENT AND WE HAVE THE INFORMATION TO PROVIDE US THE BACKGROUND. OBJECT OF ORB SWEPT IS TO STANDARDIZE THE PERMITTING PROCESS. IF THEY ARE DOING AN ALTERATION OR ADDITION, THEY CAN COME IN TODAY, TWO YEARS FROM NOW, THREE YEARS FROM NOW, AND THEY SHOULD EXPECT THE SAME PROCESS. THEY SHOULDN'T COME IN ONE TIME AND THERE'S AN EXCEPTION HERE, WE MADE AN EXCEPTION HERE, WE MADE ANOTHER EXCEPTION HERE, WE WANTS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT PROCESS AS STANDARDIZED AS WE CAN SO WE LIMIT THE PROCESS, RATHER THAN HAVING TO EVALUATE AND LOOK AT THAT DOCUMENTATION OVER AND OVER. SO ONE OF THE FIRST ONES WE CREATED, WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE A BEST PRACTICES. SO THE FIRST ONE IS FOR RESIDENTIAL ADDITIONS. WE WANT TO GIVE YOU A CHECKLIST BECAUSE THEN EVERYONE FILLS OUT A CHECKLIST AND THEY ASSUME THEY ARE GOING TO GET A PERMIT, SO WANT TO SAY IT'S MORE OF A GUIDANCE, IF YOU PROVIDE US THESE THINGS, WE CAN LET YOU KNOW, YES, YOU ARE READY AND WE WOULD LIKE TO LIMIT. IT COMES TO RESUBMITTAL FEES, AND SO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GIVE THAT GUIDANCE AT THE FRONT END. ONE OF OUR BIGGER PROJECTS THAT WE JUST GOT PUT TOGETHER IS WHEN YOU GET READY TO CLOSE THE PERMIT, THAT IS ANOTHER BIG HEADACHE, AND YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE AN OWNER AND NOT KNOWING WHAT YOU NEED TO DO, OR TYPE IN THE ADDRESS OF YOUR PERMIT, ANY CONDITIONS, ANYTHING LEFT, A LOT OF TIMES YOU JUST SAY, HEY, I GOT MY FINAL PERMIT, IT MAY BE A WATER HOLE, MAY BE SOMETHING YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF SO YOU WANT TO ACCESS ALL THE INFORMATION AT ONE PLACE, PRINT OUT A REPORT. I HAVE PLANS REVIEWS ON LIMITED AND COMMERCIAL ALTERATIONS ARE ABLE TO COME IN AND DO SAME DAY PLANNING REVIEW. IF YOU ARE REDOING A KITCHEN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET IT REZONED, ANY OF THOSE OTHER GROUPS THAT PARTICULARLY CAN WE DO A VIRTUAL, MEETING WITH TEAMS RIGHT NOW, AND YOU COME I AND GET YOUR PERMIT THE SAME DAY, READY TO GO. AND LASTLY, WITH HOMEOWNERS NIGHT, A GREAT INITIATIVE TO EXTEND OUR OFFICE HOURS, AND DO WANT TO COME IN AND WANTED A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ON HOW TO GET MORE, MET WITH EVERYTHING IN DEVELOPMENT AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT SO YOU ARE READY TO DO THOSE, HAVE EXTENDED HOURS SO THE CITIZENS COME FACE TO FACE, AND EVERYONE IS NOT DIGITAL, BUT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT INTERACTION AND TO DO THE WORK. SO OBVIOUSLY AS THE PANDEMIC HAS RESIDED AND WE GET THOSE PROGRAMS SPECIFICALLY BACK UP AND GOING. AND AT THIS POINT, I HAND IT BACK OVER TO CAROL. >>CAROLE POST: QUESTIONS? I KNOW MY OFFICE RECEIVES TONS ABOUT THE PERMITTING PROCESS. WHY IS IT TAKING SO LONG? I WENT TO ONE PERSON AND ANOTHER PERSON TELLS ME THIS AND I HAVE TO GO BACK HERE, GO BACKHERE I WANT TO FIGURE OUT HOW CAN WE STREAMLINE BOTH PROCESSES, OR WHY IT TAKES SO LONG? WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF TO GET IT DONE OR WHAT? WHY IS IT TAKING SO LONG AND WHY ARE WE GOING BACK AND FORTH? >> JC: WE ALSO CAME UP WITH COMMUNITY GROUPS SO I MEET MONTHLY WITH RIGHT-OF-WAY, STORMWATER WATER LEGAL EVERYONE TO TRY -- SOME OF THOSE ISSUES THAT YOU ARE MENTIONING THAT THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY IN CONSTRUCTION SERVICES. WE KIND OF END UP BEING THE BAD GUY BECAUSE WE ARE THE LAS STEP BEFORE THE PERMITTING ISSUE. SO IF IT'S NOT CAUGHT BEFORE US, TYPICALLY IT'S KIND OF AN AFTER THOUGHT OF THE GROUP. SO UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE THE LAST BARRIER. BECAUSE AT THAT POINT WE ISSUE THAT PERMIT AND THEY DON'T HAVE PROPER RIGHT-OF-WAY, THEY DON'T HAVE PROPER PARKING, OR THERE'S NOT A CROSSING OF THE RIGHT-OF-WAY, THEN WE GET INTO MORE LEGAL ISSUES LIKE WHY DID THE CITY ALLOW THAT PERMIT TO GO? SO WE WORK WITH DIFFERENT GROUPS LIKE RIGHT-OF-WAY, TRANSPORTATION, MOBILITY, AND SO WE HAVE ASKED THEM TO START DEVELOPING BEST PRACTICES WITH US. AND ONCE AGAIN, BECAUSE THEY COME TO US FOR FUNDING, THEY ARE GOING TO COME SEE US FIRST AND SAY WHAT DO WE NEED TO PERMIT? WE HAVE SOME OF THE ANSWERS BUT NOT ALL OF THE ANSWERS. AND WE HAVE TO HAVE OTHER GROUPS AND DEPARTMENTS TO GET THOSE RESPONSES. AND WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT RIGHT-OF-WAY IS GOING TO SAY. WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT MOBILITY IS GOING TO SAY. SO A LOT OF TIMES, IT'S A LOT OF THE COORDINATION BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING THAT DESIGN TEAM AND THEN THE CONTRACTORS COME IN, THE CONTRACTOR IS NOT TOO FAMILIAR WITH THAT PCESS, SO A LOT OF TIMES THEY ARE TALKING TO PEOPLE OR IN A PREVIOUS PROJECT AND IF YOU GO DOWN THAT ROAD AND THAT PERSON IS NOT HERE ANYMORE THAT PERSON MOVED, SO A LOT OF THOSE GAPS WE ARE TRYING TO FILL. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I ALWAYS BELIEVE AUDIO VISUAL IS THE BEST FOR COMMUNICATION. SAME WAY WE TALKED ABOUT THIS MORNING WITH THIS COUNCIL. WE HAVE NO COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR TO GET OUR MESSAGE OUT. IT'S THE SAME PROCESS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS THAT PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET THE MESSAGE OR INTERPRET. BUT YOU HAVE AUDIO ADVISEIOL WHERE PEOPLE CAN CLICK ON AND SEE THE PROCESS AND UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. NOW I UNDERSTAND WHAT SOME OF THE DRAWBACKS ARE. MAYBE SOMEBODY LEFT. WELL, YOU DON'T NOTCH THAT. I DON'T KNOW, THIS OTHER PROCESS IS AN ISSUE. SO I THINK WHATEVER WE DO FOR THE CITY, COMMUNICATION, I SEE THEM ALL THE TIME, EXPLAIN WHAT'S GOING ON. THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WANT TO HEAR. BECAUSE WHEN THEY HEAR IT, THEY SEE IT, THEN THEY UNDERSTAND IT. PEOPLE SOMETIMES DON'T REALLY READ SOMETIMES AND UNDERSTAND IT. BUT IF THEY SEE IT, THEY GET A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT TO DO. >>CAROLE POST: THAT'S AN EXLLEN POINT, AND I THINK ONE THING TO NOTE IS DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLICATED. WHETHER YOU ARE OLD HAT AT IT OR IN MANY CASES AS WE SEE FOLKS ARE JUST DOING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME, CAN BE COMPLICATED. WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE BUT IT'S COMPLICATED. THERE WILL ALSO BE STEPS IN THE PROCESS. I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR ALMOST 25 YEARS, AND IN BUILDINGS DEPARTMENTS, YOU HAVE TO CONSTANT TUG AND PULL ABOUT BEING A REGULATORY AGENCY AND ENSURING COMPLIANCE YET FINDING THIS PATH TO THE FINISH LE. AND I THINK WHAT JC HAS REPRESENTED HERE -- AND THIS IS LITERALLY THE TIP OF THE ICEBERF ACTIVITY TO GET TO THE BOTTOM LINE FOR EVERY USER REGARDLESS WHAT THEIR SKILL SET IS OR THEIR EXPERIENCE OR THEIR WAY OF ABSORBING INFORMATION. SO WE DIDN'T TOUCH UPON SOME OF THE -- WE DID ACCELA USER TRAINING SESSIONS, AGAIN COVID HAD TO SORT OF STIFLE THAT BUT WE HAD A ONCE-A-MONTH TRAINING SESSION AND INVITED ANYONE TO COME IN, WE HAD THEM AFTER HOURS SO THEY COULD BE TARGETED TOWARDS SMALLER BUSINESS AND TRADES PEOPLE THAT COULD COME IN AND UNDERSTAND HOW TO NAVIGATE ACCELA OR HOW TO GET A PERMIT OR PULL A TREE PERMIT, AND MORE COMPLICATED THAN YOU WOULD THINK. SO NOT THAT WE WILL EVER BE DONE WITH THAT. I THINK THIS IS ALWAYS A WORK IN PROGRESS. BUT THE EFFORT IS THERE THERE TO TRY TO HAVE AS MANY TOOLS AS POSSIBLE IN THE TOOLKIT TO HELP EVERY USER FIND THEIR WAY TO THE FINISH LINE. I WOULD FINISH THEN WITH THE LAST CHAPTER WHICH WAS AROUND UPDATING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WE SAW THIS COME UP IN THRF THE FOUR ADVISORY REPORTS UPDATING OUR LAND CODE TO A LINE WITH OUR PRIORITY WHETHER IT BE MOBILITY STRATEGIES OR HOUSING STRATEGIES AND THE LIKE, AND THERE WERE CERTAINLY MANY REFERENCES WITHIN OUR CONSTRUCTION BUILDING CODE THAT NEEDED TO BE MODERNIZED AND ALIGNED WITH WHAT OUR STANDARDS ARE NOW. I THINK WE SHARED THIS WITH YOU BEFORE, AND ANDREA ZELMAN HAS BEEN A KEY POINT IN TERMS OF CATALOGUING ALL THE SUGGESTED RECOMMENDATIONS, AND STARTING TO MOVE FORWARD ON THEM. AND SO THAT IS A PROCESS THAT'S UNDERWAY. YOU SAWHASE COME THROUGH, YOU UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED A CHANGE TO 13, ADMINISTRATIVE AMENDMENTS IN DECEMBER. THAT TOOK EFFECT IN MARCH. PHASE 2 WILL BE SHORTLY COMING ON ITS HEELS, AND THAT WILL DEAL WITH MORE COMPLEX MATTERS. SOME OF THOSE WILL BE BEFORE YOU IN THE COMING MONTHS AND THROUGH THE FALL. AND THEN WE WILL CONTINUOUSLY MAKE THIS A CONSTANT EVOLUTION THAT SHOULD NEVER THE CASE THAT YOUR CODE FOLLOWED FOR YEARS WITHOUT ANY UPDATES OR MODERNIZATION. THAT IS ACTUALLY ONE PIECE THAT WILL GET TRANSITIONED TO OUR CITY PLANNING DEPTMEN THAT'S AN IDEAL FUNCTIONAL WAY TO HAVE A CLEARINGHOUSE FOR CODE CHANGES AND NEEDS TO COME THROUGH WITH THOSE FOLKS THAT CAN LOOK THROUGH A LONGER LENS AND NOT JUST ACUTE ISSUES THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO SOLVE. SO WRAPPING THAT UP, JC REALLY GAVE YOU A WINDOW INTO WHAT'S HAPPENING, AT CONSTRUCTION SERVICES. GOING ON ACROSS MANY OF OURARIO- OTHER AREAS, UNDER ERIC COTTON'S NEW LEADERSHIP, UNDER DENNIS FERNANDEZ IN HISTORIC PRESERVATION, ALL OF OUR AREAS UNDER ABBEY'S LEADERSHIP ARE DRIVING TOWARD PROGRESS AND IMPROVEMENT. AND THEN LAST IS JUST TO REFLECT THAT ALL OF THIS WAS DONE FOR THE MOST PART UNDER COVID CONDITIONS, UNDER COVID CONSTRAINTS, AND AT THE SAME TIME THIS TEAM WAS LEAVING SEVERAL OF THE MORE HIGH PROFILE COVID RESPONSES, THE SAFETY PROGRAM THAT WE UNDERTOOK TO LIFT UP LOCAL PROGRAMS AND CERTAINLY ALL THE QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS, ADAPTATIONS THAT HAD TO OCCUR. SO WHILE WE ALWAYS WILL BE A WORK IN PROGRESS WHICH I AM VERY PROUD OF WHAT'S BEEN ACCOMPLISHED IN THE LAST 15 MONTHS, THAT IS DUE TO CERTAINLY THOSE THAT YOU SEE IN THE ROOM PLUS 100 INFLUENCES THAT YOU DO NOT SEE IN THE ROOM. WE HAVE AN INCREDIBLE TEAM AND I CREDIT THEM EVERY DAY FOR THE INCREDIBLE WORK THAT THEY DO. SO WITH THAT, JUST KNOWING THAT WE WILL MAINTAIN THIS AS A CONSTANT OBJECTIVE AND GOAL TO CONTINUE TO DELIVER GREAT SERVICE, TO FIND NEW WAYS TO DO IT AND TO REPORT AND BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR OUR SERVICES. WITH THAT I WILL CONCLUDE UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I'LL DEFER TO MR. CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANKS AGAIN FOR WORKING ON THIS PROCESS. I THINK THE MAYOR AND I MET WITH THE BUILDERS AROUND THE SAME TIME WHEN WE WERE RUNNING FOR OFFICE, AND WE GOT AN EAR FULL. AS I WAS TALKING I GOT AN EAR FULL FROM HOMEOWNERS, WHO WERE FRUSTRATED, AND TWO YEARS AGO, WE GOT ALL KINDS OF COMPLAINTS. AND I AM STILL GETTING SOME COMPLAINTS WHICH I PASS ON TO YOU. BUT I THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP WITH THIS ALSO. BUT THE NUMBER OS WAY LESS, AND IN FACT I AM GETTING COMPLIMENTS ESPECIALLY ON HOW THE CITY IS USING ACCELA BETTER AND DIFFERENTLY NOW. SO HALTS OFF TO YOU ALL FOR DOING THAT. >>CAROLE POST: THANK YOU. THAT ALL GOES TO THE TEAM. APPRECIATE IT, THOUGH. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I DID WANT TO GIVE SOME KUDOS IN REGARD TO THE ACCELA SYSTEM. FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, I HAD THE UNFORTUNATE OPPORTUNITY TO TRY AND MANEUVER MY WAY THROUGH ACCE ON A PROJECT THAT WE WERE WORKING ON, A HOME RELATED PROJECT, AND IT WAS VERY, VERY DIFFICULT. AND THEN MORE RECENTLY LAST YEAR RIGHT BEFORE COVID, WE HAD ANOTHER HOME PROJECT, AND I SAW GREAT IMPROVEMENTS ON ACCELA. SO LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU. BUT ANYWAY, WHOEVER IS MAKING THOSE CHANGES, CAROL, A SHOUTOUT THERE AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO WORKED ON THAT. I THINK ACCA IS GETTING BETTER. AS A MATTER OF FACT IT WAS ON THE AGENDA TODAY FOR A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS OF IMPROVEMENTS. >>CAROLE POST: IT'S GOING TO GET EVEN MORE BETTER. MORE BETTER? [ LAUGHTER ] THAT MUCH BETTER. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE ONLY HAVE 71, 72 AND 73 GO TOGETHER. >>MARTIN SHELBY: 71, MR. CHAIRMAN, IS A RECEIVE AND FILE. 72 AND 73 ARE RELATED BUT THEY ARE -- I GUESS THAT'S THE ACCELA ISSUE. >>THE CLERK: NUMBER 71 IS A RESOLUTION TO BE ADOPTED. >>MARTIN SHELBY: 71? OH, I SEE. >>THE CLERK: 70 WAS TAKEN CARE OF. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MANISCALCO MOVED. CITRO SECONDED IT. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHICH ONE? >>ORLANDO GUDES: 71. >>THE CLERK: I'M SORRY. WHO SECONDED IT? >>ORLANDO GUDES: CITRO. >>THE CLERK: THANK YOU. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL WE HAVE IS 72 AND 73 AND THEY ARE 1 AND 2. RESOLUTIONS. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: [OFF MICROPHONE] >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MANISCALCO AND CITRO. ROLL CALL. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: 73. CITRO,ANISLCO. ROLL CALL. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.% >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: NEW BUSINESS. MR. MANISCALCO. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN. [OFF MICROPHONE] I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. IT'S GOING TO BE A COMMENDATION ... VICK DIMAIO, ... ... [OFF MICROPHONE] [OFF MICROPHONE] HE WILL MAIL IT TO SICILY TO THE FAMILY BUT I WANT TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT MOTION TO DO THAT AND I WILL HANDLE ALL THE STUFF. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECONDED BY MR. MIRANDA. AL I FAVOR? OPPOSED? THANK YOU. >>THE CLERK: WE DID A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: DINGFELDER, MANISCALCO MAN'S. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLWITHIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IN REGARDS TO A COMPLAINT THAT I RECEIVED. A BABY MANATEE, AND I HAVE GOTTEN SEVERAL COMPLNTS FROM PEOPLE ABOUT PEOPLE JUST SPEEDING THROUGH THAN ONON THEIR BOAT AND BEING RECKLESS WITH THE MARINE LIFE AND EVEN THE RESIDENTS THERE, WHEN YOU ARE SPEEDING THROUGH AND NO WAKE ZONE, IT CAUSES ISSUES TO THE SEAWALL AND WHATNOT. I WOULD ASSUME -- HE DON'T KNOW WHETHER TO ASK TPD TO PROVIDE A BRIEF REPORT, A WRITTEN REPORT OR TO COME IN FRONT OF COUNCIL OR WHOMEVER THE PROPER PARTY IS UNDER NEW BUSINESS, STAFF REPORTS. TO SEE WHAT WE DO TO PATROL THE WATERS OR MAKING EVERYTHING A NO WAKE ZONE OR EXPANDING THAT NO WAKE ZONE THROUGH THAT AREA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: MAY I ADD A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT? SOME HAVE NO WAKE ZONES, SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE AT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MANISCALCO, SECOND BY MR -- [OFF MICROPHONE] ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIED. MR. CARLSON. >>BILL CARLSON: I WOULD -- >>JOSEPH CITRO: I WOULD ASK -- THAT'S FINE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. >>BILL CARLSON: YES, SIR. STEVE SWINDLE STEPPED DOWN AS CHAIR OF THE PORT OF TAMPA, PORT TAMPA BAY, AND HE AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE, BUT IN PARTICULAR HE LED THE TURNAROUND OF OUR PORTED. OUR PO WAS LAGGING BEHIND FOR YEARS. WE WERE SO FAR BEHIND OTHER PORTS THAT IT WAS EMBARRASSING. AND HE ALONG WITH THE MANAGEMENT BROUGHT TURNED OUR PORT AROUND THE LAST FEW YEARS. AND I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE HIM A COMMENDATION. SO I MAKE A MOTION TO STEVE SWINDLE, A COMMENDATION AS CHAIR OF PORT TAMPA BAY. IT LOOKS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ANY ON SEPTEMBER 2nd. >>ORLANDO GUDES: DEPUTY CLERK? >>THE CLERK: THAT IS CORRECT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION CARRIED. >>BILL CARLSON: THE OTHER THING A FRIEND AND MENTOR OF MANY, MANY YEARS PASSED AWAY THIS MORNING, GUY KING. HE WAS ALSO GOOD FRIENDS WITH THE MAYOR. HE MET IN 1994 AND GOT ME INVOLVED IN THE TAM CHAER, AND HE LOOKED AND SAID IT'S OUR JOB TO MAKE EVERYBODY ELSE LOOK GUDES. WE NEED TO MAKE EVERYBODY ELSE LOOK GOOD. HE WAS ONE OF THESE GUYS WAS CHAIR OF THE CHAMBER A FEW YEARS AGO BUT WORKED BEHIND THE SCENES FOR DECADES. I AM NOT GOING TO ASK FOR A COMMENDATION. I WANT TO TALK TO HIS WIFE FIRST. BUT I JUST WANTED TO EXPRESS OUR SYMPATHY TO HIS FAMILY. THAT'S IT. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. CITRO. >>JOSEPH CITRO: COUNCILMAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR BIRTHDAY WISHES. EVERYBODY IN THE CLERK'S OFFICE, I THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR BIRTHDAY WISHES. MY CITY OF TAMPA FAMILY, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR BIRTHDAY WISHES. @A, THANK YOU. I HAVE HAD A WONDERFUL BIRTHDAY TODAY. NOTHING MORE, MR. CHAIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. DINGFELDER. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: I ASKED MR. CITRO HOW OLD HE WAS TODAY AND HE WOULDN'T DIVULGE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: IF I MAY. BELIEVE ME, SOME PEOPLE SAY I ACT LIKE A 6-YEAR-OLD AND I'M 6 AND A HALF. SOME PEOPLE SAY THAT I AM TOO OLD TO HAVE FUN BUT I IN A LONGER SAY HALED MY BEER. SO I AM OLD ENOUGH. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: THIS MORNING WE DISCUSSED BRIEFLY THIS MOST RECENT SHALL YOU ABOUT CEMETERIES. AND THEN MR. BENNETT ADVISED US, I THINK DURING THE BREAK, THAT HE'S ESTABLISHED A SORT OF CEMETERY TASK FORCE HEADED UP BIO SEA WYNN. SO I WOULD JT REQUEST THAT THE ADMINISTRATION COME TO US WITH A REPORT TO COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE VARIOUS CEMETERY ISSUES INCLUDING THE COLLEGE HILL CEMETERY ISSUE WHICH I IMAGINE YOU WILL BE READING ABOUT IN THE PAPER TONIGHT OR TOMORROW. AND THAT WOULD BE, I DON'T KNOW, FIRST MEETING IN AUGUST, MR. SHELBY? AUGUST 5th UNDER STAFF REPORTS. >>JOSEPH CITRO: SECOND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIED. ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? >>JOHN DINGFELDER: NO, SIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MR. MIRANDA. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I JUST HAD ONE CAME OUT OF ITEM 71. I SEE WHERE WE HAVE AN OUTSIDE FIRM HAVE BEEN DOING BUSINESS FOR YEARS, AND SOMETIME BACK IN THE LARGER GOVERNMENTS, SOME HAD TO GO THROUGH PRIVATE ENTERPRISE, BUT NOW I SEE A 2.6 INCREASE. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO T DEPARTME TO BNG US UP TO DATE ON WHETHER THOSE RULES ARE STILL IN EFFECT. I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT WAS DONE IN YEARS BACK. AND WHAT'S THE POSSIBILITY OF ANY OF THE CITY OF TAMPA TAKING CARE OF THE WHOLE CITY AND WASTE MANAGEMENT. >> SECOND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECONDED BY MR. MANISCALCO. ALL IN FAVOR? MOTION CARRIES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR. CHAIRMAN. >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE DATE? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THE NEXT 30 DAYS. >> [OFF MICROPHON >>CHLIE MIRAND. >>ORLANDO GUDES: [OFF MICROPHONE] MOTION CARRIED. ANYTHING ELSE, SIR? >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THAT'S IT, SIR. >>ORLANDO GUDES: I PASS THE GAVEL TO YOU, MR. DINGFELDER. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MR. CHAIRMAN. >>ORLANDO GUDES: TWO ITEMS THAT ARE DEAR TO ME. A DEAR FRIEND OF MAIN, LONG TIME FOOTBALL COACH, COACHED IN MY LEAGUE, NOMINATED FOR HALL OF FAME, 2007, HALL OF FAME FOOTBALL, WELL RENOWNED, KNOWN IN THE COMMUNITY, AND ATHLETICS, MENTORSHIP, LED THEM ON THE RIGHT PATH. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR A COMMENDATION POSTHUMOUSLY, AND YOUNG ADULTS IN THE COMMUNITY, WHO WAS RESILIENT IN FAMILY AND SERVICE. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SOND. JOHN DINGFELDER: MOTION AND SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA. DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIED. >>ORLANDO GUDES: THANK YOU. THE LAST ONE, I HAD A FAMILY MEMBER THAT WAS TAKEN -- THE COUNTY ALREADY HAS A RESOLUTION PASSED, I BELIEVE, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE -- HE WORKED WITH OUR FAMILY AND OUR CITY, ON MARCH 9th, JESSIE MATHESON WAS K. I MAKE A MOTION TO ASK THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY TO COME BACK ON JULY 15, 2021 FOR A RESOLUTION SUPPORTING THE DESIGNATION OF I-75 AND SLIGH AVENUE, MARTIN LUTHER KING JR., JESSE MASSEY MEMORIAL HIGHWAY. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: MOTION BY OUR CHAIRMAN, SECONDED BY MR. MANISCALCO. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SAY AYE. ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIED. >>ORLANDO GUDES: MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE? >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY. FORGIVEE. WHILE WE ARE ON THE SUBJECT AND WHILE THE SUBJECT IS TAKEN DARE OF, THE SOONER THE BETTER, COUNCIL, WOULD YOU CONSIDER REMOVING THE SEPTEMBER 16th CITY COUNCIL REGULAR SESSION FROM THE CALENDAR AND RESCHEDULING THE REGULAR SESSION FOR THE FIFTH THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 30th, SO WE CAN ACTUALLY HAVE TWO MEETINGS THAT MONTH, BUT ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT THE 16TH IS OBSERVANCE OF THE YOM KIPPUR AND TAKE THAT OFF THE AGENDA? >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SO MOVED. >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MIRANDA. ROLL CALL VOTE. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO RECEIVE AND FILE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: [OFF MICROPHONE] >>MARTIN SHELBY: FORGIVE ME. A REQUEST FROM MS. POST. NOW BECAUSE OF YOM KIPPUR, THERE HAS BEEN A MEETING SCHEDULED FOR THE 30th, WHICH IS THE FIFTH THURSDAY, TO TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY, AS MS. POST -- AS MS. FEELEY RECOMMENDED OF CITY COUNCIL TO USE THAT MEETING, 5:01 P.M. FOR AN EVENING SESSION. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: SO MOVED. >>ORLANDO GUDES: SECOND BY MR. MANISCALCO. [OFF MICROPHONE] ROLL CALL VOTE. >>JOSEPH CITRO: YES. >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES. >>JOHN DINGFELDER: YES. >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES. >>BILL CARLSON: YES. >>ORLANDO GUDES: YES. >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH VIERA BEING ABSENT AT VOTE. >>ORLANDO GUDES: WE HAD A MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BY MR. MANISCALCO, MR. MIRANDA. ALL IN FAVOR? I OPPOSED? ADJOURNED.