White Bear Township Board Meeting 6-2-2025

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seven. All right, I have 7 o'clock. We will call the White Bear Township Board meeting for June 2nd, 2025 to order. Uh first item on the agenda is the approval. Um the board has suggested we add agenda 9A to change the June executive meeting uh to move it up a week. Steve will be gone. So I think what was the 20th, Steve? Yeah, move it to June 20. Hope we can change that for our uh notice, but still comply with u the consent agenda request for rescheduling it to uh Oh, didn't we put that on there? That is this fee. We're putting it at the old township hall, right? Yep. Yeah. We're just changing the date on that one. Well, that's one that's going at the old township hall. Yep. Okay. Uh staff have anything? No. Nothing from staff. Anything else from the board? No. All right. I need a motion to approve the agenda as amended. Move to approve the agenda as amended. Second. All in favor say I. I. Opposed. All right. Item three is approval of payment of the bills. You sign off to Steve. I did move to approve payment of the bills. Second. All in favor? I. All opposed. That motion carries. Item four is the approval of the prior minute meeting minutes from May 19th. Has anybody got any changes or corrections? I do, Mr. Chair. U on page seven of the minutes uh of our packet 7 of 213, it says the applicant uh for the park 35 project is Evan Matson. And I think that should be changed to uh Endeavor. Endeavor. Oh, good catch. And I don't know that I don't know if that's the right address either uh for Endeavor. I'll confirm on both. So, yeah, update both. I think that's Evans address he gave at the meeting. Okay. All right. That that's it. Oh, one. Nope. In the same paragraph, it says he introduced Mark Krobeck, who is the lead architect on the project. He is only the landscape architect. I think that needs to be same paragraph. Same paragraph. And outside of that, that's it. Okay. So, got anything, Beth? No. I'll make a motion to approve the uh adjusted minutes from the prior meeting. I'll second. All in favor say I. I. All opposed. All right. That carries. Item five is a consent agenda. There are four of them. Uh does the board wish to run this or you want to pull any of them? I I'm good as long as B 5B is noted as change and we discussed that already. So, I'm fine. All right. So, I need a motion to approve. Motion to approve. Have a second. I'll second. All in favor say I. I. All opposed. That motion carries. All right. Uh let's see. Item six, we have no old business. Seven is public hearings we have done. So, we'll go right to 8A. This is the 5029 Otter Lake Road for an oversized garage approval request. CJ, are you going to go over this for us? I am. Uh, thank you, Mr. Chair. This request is for an oversized accessory structure in accordance with ordinance 8, um, the building code ordinance. This is just a simple approval from the board. It's not necessarily a variance or a formal um, application that we have a form for, per se. The applicant is proposing to add an existing add on to their existing detached garage. The proposed addition would be 22x 65 ft totaling 1,430 square ft for that structure. The existing garage is only 768 square ft. The proposed addition would be for personal vehicles and personal property storage. Garages are regulated under section 529 of the township ordinance stating that a permit is needed for individual garages exceeding 1,000 square ft and they can be no larger than 2500 square ft. This is met. The proposal is for 1430 ft. Approval shall be obtained from the board after review and recommendation by the planning commission. The planning commission did review the request at the April 24th meeting and recommended approval of the request. Conversation centered around building materials, so the roof and the facade. The applicant uh shared that it would be consistent with that of the principal structure and that the accessory structure would be no taller than the principal home on the building, which is also required by ordinance 8. The property is over half half an acre in size and it's adjacent to the Tamarak Nature Center which is zoned as open space. This is also a requirement for this approval that the property needs to be a budding open space development um or agricultural zoning in order to approve an oversized structure like this. Um ordinance 8 was originally adopted in 1956 and has been amended many many times. the last amendment in 2017 uh which established that maximum allowance of 2500 ft for accessory structures. As I noted previously, the requirements for size and location are met. Uh in addition, setbacks and impervious surface all lot requirements are met as well. Staff sent the projects to other agencies. The watershed management association had no comments regarding the request. Ramsey County has not rece. The building inspector confirmed that the corners were staked. So the setbacks and impervious surface coverage are accurate as you see before you. And public works and engineering had no comments tonight. You can approve the request with or without any conditions. You can deny the request with findings for denial or you can table the request for further study. The planning commission recommends approval of the request for an oversized accessory structure at 5029 Otter Lake Road with the conditions that the structure shall be constructed in accordance to the site plan that was received on March 14th of this year and reviewed with the request. The applicant shall shall acquire any other federal, state, and local permits. They shall adhere to federal, state, and local ordinances, and they shall pay all fees and escros associated with the project. Thus far, they have Do you have any questions? Yes. Any questions, guys? No, not at all. Steve, were you at the I was at the planning commission meeting and they thoroughly went through that. Although I didn't write a note down. Uh did see do you remember was there discussion that they absolutely cannot use this for commercial rental property? That would be accurate. Yes. Because Okay. because two doors down we had agreed to a larger structure and we had little issues of rental space but so the applicant is is is that something we should put a condition on that it cannot be used for commercial rental well in this uh resolution item three says the proposal structure would be used by personal vehicle storage now I don't know is that good enough language Chad it is okay I withdraw my question. Um the resolution before you board members is um given to you in person today because the one on the website is inaccurate. It was uploaded um by mistake or falsely. But I will give Chad this as well. Okay, that satisfies my question. Chad, if you need it, we need that note for the record. Yeah, I got in front of me here. So this uh CJ, this number up in the top corner 2543. Does that refer to this resolution? That number? Yes, that would be the proper resolution number. Okay. For motion. Well, you didn't have any other comments. It was pretty straightforward. They didn't really have issues with this one. All right. Then I need a motion for approval of this resolution. I'll move to approve resolution 25-43 for approving an oversized accessory uh structure for 5029 Otter Lake Road. I'll second. Motion made second. All in favor say I. I. All opposed. All right. That motion carries. Okay. Item 8 B is a 50 350 highway 61 North. This is a use standards report. Iron Heart Pro Wrestling. Yes, Mr. Chair. May I add that the applicant from the approved resolution is here tonight if you want to um Okay. They need to say anything. Um okay. Before you is an application for a permitted use standard permit for Ironheart Pro Wrestling for a wrestling studio located at 5350 Highway 61 North suite number 10 within the B2 business general business district. The application for wrestling studio isn't um explicit in the zoning ordinance, but a similar use called fitness center uh is applicable to what they're looking to do. The Midwest GI group owns the building in which the wrestling studio would go into. The property includes one building with 10 suites, each leased to different tenants. They're looking to lease suite number 10, which is the southwest corner of the um of the building. The proposed use is to teach wrestling and it'll be an event venue for periodic live wrestling events on Saturday evenings. The applicant noted at the planning commission that these would be from about 6:30 to 9:00 p.m. but they may go a little lighter. The wrestling studio will be about 3,667 ft in size. The expected hours would be weekday evening 6:30 to 10:30 p.m. and as stated about one Saturday per month starting around 6 p.m. as well. Nine patrons are expected expected to visit per day. The applicants have also addressed noise stating that they might play light music or no music at all. On Saturday nights, it'd be on par with maybe a high school basketball game within the building. You may hear it from the parking lot, but not any further, they say. In the zoning ordinance, fitness center is defined as a place with facilities and equipment for people to maintain or improve their physical fitness. It is permitted. It's permitted use number 22 in the B-2 district. There are no parking minimums set for fitness centers. The similar uses with parking standards didn't necessarily fit. The closest would be a dance studio or um dance club, so to speak, but that's expecting people next to each other. There was a significant amount of parking required for that. The applicant does state that they haven't asked for exclusive access to the parking spots, but there are 20 plus parking spots on the south side, which should accommodate the business's needs. I have an update on that, actually. We we'll get to you in a second. Get to you. Thank you. It's okay. Uh section 9-3 goes over all the permitted use standards permit standards permit standards um listed in your packet and in the zoning ordinance. Those would all be adopted as part of the permit stating that for example the use shall not shall avoid aesthetic incompatibility, erosion of soil, increased flood potential. These would all be met because the applicant is not looking to um do any exterior renovations or disturb any of the land. The town board has the following options. They can approve the request with or without conditions, deny with findings for denial or table the request for further review and study by the applicant or staff. The planning commission did recommend approval at the 5, excuse me, at the 5225 meeting with the following conditions. That the warehouse map dated 4225 and the certificate of survey dated 12624 shall be incorporated into the permit by reference. The applicant on the permit shall read Iron Hart Pro Wrestling. The applicants shall allow inspection by the township building inspector to ensure compliance with all township ordinances and that they should adhere to all federal, state, local laws, permitting, and all fee and escros must be um provided with the request. Much of the planning commission's conversation was centered around the parking and the access to um access to the parking lot and how that would be impacted with events. There was also conversation about um proper fire inspection for during those events, proper evacuation and the building inspector has noted that it would need to be reviewed for proper exit and entrance as well as access to the restrooms may need to be improved. A resolution for approval is included within your packet um with all of the things I just I just mentioned. All right, Beth, questions, comments? Yeah. Um, is there going to be any conflict with Eaglebrook? Um, it with for as for traffic. Oh, yeah. Events. Yeah. I'm not sure how the traffic would be impacted on Saturday nights, I'm not sure what Eaglebrook's event schedule looks like. I was just curious. It's quite busy there. Yes. They usually have a sheriff that directs traffic. Um, then you address the parking issue. I thought this was a storage place, but they've changed it. They have. Okay. Yep. So, that's why the new permitted use standard is required. I think that was it. They Yeah. To follow up on what Beth asked, I I think the issue was if if they exit out on to Buffalo, but uh more than likely based off what the scene where they'd exit to Northwest or whatever that Northwest. Yeah. Northwest. Okay. Um there was the question of the exits. Is that going to be addressed in the resolution? Was that did I see that or did not see the concerns on the ex two entrance and two entrances? You said the fire marshall has some issues. Is that just understood or is that something that needs to get resolved before this? We don't have it as a res as a condition of approval. It was discussed in conversation with Mike Johnson, building inspector, um that inspection is necessary to address potential issues with the exits. I I think I think it needs to be included only from the standpoint that you're you're going to have public event there at some point and and that needs to be resolved before we have any public activities going on there. I think so. When you asked of Oh, I'm sorry. No, I was just curious, Chad. Is that something we can uh force them to do on traffic control or not? Well, traffic control is Well, this a permitted use, so I don't think we I I don't think so. I I wasn't really talking about the permitted you. I I think the use of it is it's the physical structure that I've concerned over the access and and entrance escape from the building. There's the question was are there two exits? Yes. And I don't know if that was cleared up because she said the fire marshall hasn't the building inspector the building inspector would um for any any use in there would need to look get in there. Um and I think and I'm pretty sure the building inspector would coordinate with fire based on our conversation. That really is independent of the that's independent of this. I realize that now. So and the 20 spots were enough for parking. We have a confirmed we we'll get to you in a minute. Okay. We we won't pick you up on the mic or the camera, so we need to wait a minute. Um, in response to your question, the applicant is here and can answer when you guys are ready. CJ, CJ, is uh is this similar to I don't know, do we have karate in our ordinances? Karate or or Yes, there's something similar to that. Uh what's the ultimate fighting training or whatever it's called? Where is that located? I'm just curious if that falls into the same bracket. It the ordinances gets very specific about the uses, so it's hard to um generalize them. But in the B2 district, there is a conditional use for um I'll change that. a permitted use for a sporting goods store, indoor batting cages, fitness center, design studio, dance studio. I'm just curious now we're going over all our ordinances if that's something we should look at to maybe just add those so we don't have this conflict and that and um I don't know what they're called AEDs, automatic defibrillators. Is that something that that should be in a something like a a sporting uh event or a gymnastics class or something? Is that something we regulate or I would assume that would be regulated by I it's more of a health issue in state. Yes. All right. Well, that may be a question for the applicant. Uh anything else from the board for CJ? All right. Now you can come up. We need your name and address for the record. My name is Caitlyn Baky. I live at 4222 Xenia A North in Robbinsdale, Minnesota. All right. Uh, obviously we had question about the parking. You feel comfortable with that amount of parking? Yeah, I did get clarification. It's 45 formal parking spots uh on the property. So, that should be way more than enough. You got Yeah, just I'll give you a hint. The neighbor gets touchy. Me? A neighbor gets a little touchy if their parking is if their parking is messed up on the streets. If they park on the street. Oh, okay. Yeah, we've dealt with that before. It's a public street, right? Yeah, but it's really squeezy back there. I got you. Yeah, we'll try to avoid that as much as possible. Then I I don't know. I was just out of curiosity. Do you have an AED on site? Those kind of events um are quite physical. Is that something you guys supply or owner is actually a doctor. Okay. But that that might be something you at least want to think about maybe having there on site. Did you say EMT defibrillator? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, I can. Just actually, does your wife have anything like that? No. Okay, we can add that to the list then. Just for your own uh peace of mind, too. So, absolutely. All right. Anything else to add? All right. Any other questions of the applicant? No. All right. Thanks, Caitlyn. Thank you, guys. All right. Uh, hearing no other discussion. Does the board feel comfortable with the uh uh resolution? It's all inclusive, correct, with everything that CJ had said? It looked like it is when I was going through it. I'm I'm comfortable. So, I'll move to approve the resolution 2544. Uh, approving a permitted use standards permit for 5350 Highway 61 North, Sweet 10. I'll second. Uh, motion made second. All in favor say I. I. I. All opposed. All right. You're off and running. All right. Moving on. Luck. 8C, Public Safety Commission, recommendation for Mayhagen Lane Traffic Management. Yeah, Mr. Chair. So, following up a discussion that we've had at um both the safety commission uh and with the board, we did do a u survey as it or reflects the the neighborhood's attitude towards a three-way stop or other solutions to traffic controls there. Um, we sent this these two questions out to 22 residents that we went off of our email from our utility billing. Uh, first question was, are you in favor of a three-way stop at Peterson Road, Mahagen Lane? As you can see, that one was pretty tight, but the yeses were the majority there. And then second question was, are you in favor of traffic control signage such as no through traffic or slow? And you can see overwhelmingly the uh the uh tenor of the neighborhood is to is in favor of having something along those lines. The safety commission recommended doing a slow traffic sign on Mhagen Lane um uh in response to some of the concerns back there. Um they did not or they declined to do a three-way stop based upon how close the vote was. Uh so what they are looking for tonight is the board to uh either go along with this recommend recommendation or deny uh if you're in favor of it. Um public works will work out the best place possible uh for the node through traffic or slow probably is slow. Um, so I would open that up for your discussion if you'd like. Well, full disclosure, I live on Peterson, which I'm directly affected by these modifications that they want to do. So, I don't know, Chad, you think I should probably abstain from this? No, I don't think you need to. Okay. It's not a financial issue at all. All right. Because I I've lived there for 20 years, and I don't see any reason to change what we have. Now, I I know most of this is generated by the Mayhagen project, but the people on Peterson are the ones that are most affected by the stop sign. Stop signs. Yep. And and as you can see, the safety commission wasn't in favor of a stop sign. Several of the members were actually driving it and didn't see a reason to do it actually. Well, especially after the public hearing and the Ramsey County Sheriff's pretty much admitted stop signs don't slow people down. Yeah. Whenever we ask, they tell us. Yeah. Steve, questions, comments? Not not on the stop sign. I I don't think it's necessary. Okay. Um so you don't have to do I don't think they have to do anything if they or no they should probably say that they are not in favor of Yes. Okay. You're not in favor of it. We should Yeah. Okay. Adopt a motion. You know either expressing your your position on the issue. Yeah. May for clarification. There was two parts to this. The stop sign or the slow traffic control. Right. So, we're just addressing stop signs at the moment. Right now, stop signs. Say that uh you would agree with the safety commission's recommendation not to do three-way stop. All right. I'll make that motion. I'll make a motion that we not consider a stop sign at the is a Hagen Lane and I forget the cross street. Peterson. Peterson. Do I have a second? I'll second that. Uh all in favor? I. Okay. And then the next one is traffic control signage. What do they exactly mean by that? I mean, a sign that says slow. That's it. No, not children, not uh the the commission was pretty specific about just wanting the slow sign. Correct. What about the little green men? We I don't know that we discussed the little green guys that hold the I don't think we did that specifically. Um I think what we were supposed to do was we're putting the slow sign in. We're going to observe its effect on traffic through there and then if we had to make some decisions or augment it, we would. But is that on Peterson or Mayhagen? that and that's what we need to figure out where it's going to have the most impact and through that way. Okay? Because there was discussion that somebody's using that for cutthroughs. Well, doesn't make much sense because you still have a stop sign both ways and and now you're impeded by uh on Centerville Road in Mayhagen. You only have the stop sign, which means you have to wait. So, this idea of people are cutting through to try to skip the intersection of Centerville and H2 doesn't seem to make any sense. So that's that's why with slow traffic, I think that's what they're trying to avoid, the construction that's going to go on. You think that's going to make it a different issue? Probably not. That's going to be a mess in no matter what. Yeah, it is. Is that something uh public works would do? Yep. So, we just make a motion to install a slow traffic sign at Peterson and Mahagen. I guess I don't have a problem with that. On both roads? Both ways? I don't know. Is it Yeah, probably should. It probably doesn't matter. Yeah, I suppose. Sure. Okay. I'll make a motion to install a slow traffic sign on both Peterson and Mahagen. I'll second that. Motion's made in second. All in favor say I. I. All opposed. Thanks. All right. Moving on. We have uh public safety commission recommendation. Still street and bald eagle avenue. This is for and actually this one might be a little bit cart before the horse. Um I kept it on the agenda in case we were going to have um time to look at the data, but we did get data out to public safety commission until its meeting coming up. So uh the data about what and you saw it in your packet. Yep. So we're going to analyze that this Thursday, come back with a recommendation uh whether to proceed or not with that one. So I am not asking for what's that? We should table it. Table it. Yep. Well, that's easy enough. Yep. Yeah. We'll make a motion to table it. I'll second it. Thank you. All right. Motion's made second. All in favor say I. I. I. All right. Uh, last one we have here is public safety commission. Nope. We just did that one. I just did that. Oh, added agenda items. Uh, we just had to make sure that that uh consent agenda was modified to show the executive committee will be on June 20th to or 2025 beginning at 8:00 a.m. at the Old Township Hall at Polar Lakes Park. Correct. Do we need a formal motion to change that, Chad? Yes, you should because it's a um regular meeting date is the fourth Friday. Right. I'll move to uh move the executive meeting scheduled for the month of June to June 20th 2025 at 8:00 a.m. at the old town hall. I'll second. Motion made second. All in favor say I. I. All opposed. Um is someone from the historical society going to be there? Oh yeah. Okay. Sarah will be there. All right. Well, it's good PR to at least Yep. let the public see that. I don't would we be able to No, never mind. All right, we have no other agenda items. Open time. Anyone wish to speak? Come on up to the podium. We need a name and address. Hi. Uh my name is TJ Farnum. What was it? TJ Farnum. Okay. Uh uh at 5767 Lake Avenue. Um, I've been talking with both CJ and Chad um about uh so it to give you a little background. Uh it's a we're right on B my wife and I are right on Bald Eagle Lake. We're a 50 foot wide by 150 foot yard uh foot long property. Um you know that that's kind of how they all are in that area. Um and so so we have um the house and then we have um in front of that um a garage. And so that garage is what what is it CJ? Uh legally nonconforming structure. Okay. Um so the what we would like to do because um as I have one child here and the other child my wife took home, we would like to add an addition. So we want to ask space on top of the garage. Um, and so the way that with current ordinances written, you can't um you can't expand the garage because it's non-conforming. And so expand in this case, I I think we've decided is in any direction, right? That's vertical, horizontal, anywhere. Um, so I guess I'm I'm seeking a little bit of advice, maybe a little bit of um like how how do how do I add space there without without tearing down the garage and making it a conforming structure? Um because we're we're about three feet from the property line. Um our our neighbors also about 3 ft from the property line with their garage. Um it's just it's just everybody's stacked in that way. Um, so to be conforming, we'd have to be six feet. I want to say it's a percentage of the undersized lot. It's usually between five and six feet. You're right. Yeah. Isn't I think you you you like six six feet, I thought. Uh, yeah, that's correct. With um under size loss, it's 60% of the requirement. So, it' be about six feet. Have CJ, have you talked to Mike about this one or not? I have not talked to Mike about it. He's a building inspector. No, actually Mike Mike is aware of it. Um I believe the resident has talked to Mike. Have you talked has I have not talked to Mike. Okay. No. Um well, not for this project. I when I when I finished the basement, I talked I talked to Mike, but Gotcha. Uh Mike hasn't been in conversation. I have talked to Chad about it. our ordinance as we discussed briefly in the executive meeting. This is one of the resident inquiries that kind of triggered us noticing that we need we should in the future update our uh zoning ordinance section regarding non-conforming uses. Um the state does allow and Chad feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. The state does allow that townships and cities can adopt an ordinance saying variances to the non-conforming uses could happen. Actually, it says the statute allows a municipality to allow for expansion of non-conforming uses and the how the how you expand the non-conforming use is open to open to uh to this to the town. You could do that as a variance, conditional use permit, uh some other you could establish, you know, some set of a criteria, but you know, it's it's up to the town to decide how they want to do it, if you want to do it. And in the current or ordinance, it states that um a non-conforming use permit can be received, but not for single family residential properties um and accessory buildings. So I I guess options would be zoning ordinance amendment otherwise it's not uh plausible for this property. So it that's our that would be our pathway versus having just individual applications and variances. Well that's the problem. You can't have individual variances because your your ordinance does not allow for expansion okay of non-conforming uses. And the statute's clear. You can't you cannot expand a non-conforming use unless the local ordinance allows it. So, you really you're going to really have to amend the non-conforming use ordinance. And it really should be straightened out anyway because I am a little uncomfortable with this non-conforming use permit because non-conforming uses, permitted non-conforming uses, which you are, uh they're legal, they're constitutional property rights. You can't if you can't there's no way you the only way you can um end a non a permitted non-conforming use either burns down they don't rebuild you stops for a year or you condemn it and pay them the val actual value. So really, I think you need to look at the statute because is this something that should maybe ordinance, I should say, go to the planning commission for review on It's going to have to because you're you're amending the zoning ordinance. So it has to start but but at least they can do an overview of the I know the township's full of these little pocket areas that were lake cabins or whatever. So there's a lot of areas that are affected by this and we have to be careful because for one applicant, we may start a a trail of 10 right behind you. Yeah. And from, you know, from from my perspective, it's just um this winter became abundantly clear that we need more space with my two boys wrestling each other all the time. Um and so it's just like, well, where where do we add space? And and the the only spot that we can really add space is over the garage. Um you know, and that's and that's something that a lot of our neighbors have have done. Um, so yeah, it's just kind of a how do how how do I make that happen right within the confines of of what's allowed? Um, you know, and if if at the end of the day the answer is you have to tear it down, move it over three feet and rebuild it, that's that's what we'll do, right? I mean, that's that's fine. Um, it's just if if we don't have to do that, if we can just build up, then we'll just build up, right? I mean, that's that's the cheaper option. Not that you guys care about my finances, but that's that's the cheaper option. Yeah. The the biggest thing, too, is even if it wasn't non-conforming, when we see additions or alterations to the property, we like to see them have less impact. So, even if you're going up, we would want to see them come in, get rid of that three-foot setback. So, it gets a little more complicated too for you then. But CJ said, we're we're reviewing a lot of our ordinances now just because of these situations. And uh I don't know, CJ, how far down the list is that one? We've got a bunch. That one's high on the list. At the executive meeting last week, we went over three or four options, and that was number one priority. And and given the number of non-conforming uses in the township around Bald Eagle, this really should be your top. I believe there are three or four three residents around Bald Eagle that I've spoke to in the last two weeks. And we saw major a non-conforming major expansion on Hugo Road. Those houses, they kind of just blew up and then it was a big deal. We caught a lot of heat from it, too, though. But so if if it's already on our radar and we're going to be looking at this, I would suggest you just kind of hold tight till we at least have a chance to review this and see what they come up with. Planning Commission will look at it and then if they have recommendations, they'll come back to us. Okay. And that'll affect you directly, obviously. Yeah. I I guess um I guess Yeah. From my perspective, is there what kind of time frame are are we looking at type thing? Just Well, that's a tough one. It's just kind of a matter of like when you know what when when does quote unquote the shovel hit the hit the ground type thing to to start this? Am I just a month out, two months out, six months out? Uh I'd suggest you simply stay in touch with CJ. Talk to us about CJ or myself about once a month. We'll update you where you stand. Okay. I know. I understand what you're saying. I appreciate that. But uh I can't prom we none of us can promise exactly when the planning commission is going to get to it. Planning commission meets once a month. Yep. And so it's all got to be put together and timed and reviewed and and this is a matter of CJ going through um a lot of times too we'll look at surrounding communities, what they're doing too, try to stay conformed with some of them too. Now it's not that we're going to use those, but we like to see what other communities have done. I don't want to reinvent the wheel here, but if they've got a solution for this problem, we'll look at it. And this is something we just won't I say we I I really withdraw that because I'm not the board. This is something I'd recommend the board and the planning commission look at closely because if you draft it wrong, it's going to create more problems than it solves. So, drafting is going to be really important. TJ, what do you think of that? You do the 5767 carve out then you can just set that aside whatever you want there right that's not allowed no I haven't tried but yeah but we are looking at it so if you want to keep in touch with CIA we'll let you know what our progress is okay all right all right thank you good luck yeah we don't want to see you move out of the township yeah no we don't I mean we don't want to move we love our neighbors we it's like you know we're right on lake I mean it's like Everything's hunky dory. We just more space. We just need more space, you know. We just need more space. All right. Sounds good. Thank you. Thanks. All right. Anyone else? Going once, going twice. All right. Um, number 11. I need a motion to receive agenda materials and supplements. So moved. Second. All in favor say I. I. I need a motion to adjurnn at 7:37. So move. Second. All in favor? I. We are adjourned.