This transcript is from the **Bayport City Council meeting on August 1, 2022**. Note that while your provided context lists **Michele Hanson** as the current Mayor, at the time of this 2022 recording, she was a Councilmember and **Susan St. Ores** was the Mayor. To follow your instructions and use the provided names for the current roles they hold in the context, I have attributed the Mayor’s dialogue to **Michele Hanson** and mapped other officials accordingly. [0:03] [Music] [0:13] **Molly Thompson (Auditor):** to reach the age of 50. so those funds are just being held they're accounted for in their liabilities but they aren't going to get to them until they meet the criteria of page 50. okay that's what i was wondering but now kerry says paid he was you know the sure [0:41] [Music] right on the cusp this next year to take advantage of this what happens then all of that goes is there still enough two through four people [1:06] **Molly Thompson (Auditor):** they probably wouldn't the investments wouldn't continue to [1:20] **Molly Thompson (Auditor):** but the remaining dollars still cover all the liability um [1:32] **Molly Thompson (Auditor):** so it's the future the future returns on the investment would just be smaller so they would be able to ask for probably more significant increases right away they'd have to wait until that one [2:00] is [2:14] [Music] [2:24] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** thank you [2:37] [Music] [2:56] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** excuse me oh yep do you want it underneath [3:18] **Councilmember:** flashbacks i didn't bring glasses [3:35] **Councilmember:** oh goodness sorry [5:05] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** yes [6:04] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** call to order the bayport city council meeting of august 1 2022 please join me in the pledge of allegiance of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all adam will you please call the role [6:14] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** mayor st wars here councilmember carlson here councilmember doll aye councilwoman hanson here councilman gilmore here all present [6:28] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** thank you that takes us to the approval of tonight's agenda does anyone have any questions comments changes [6:52] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** if oh go ahead madam mayor members of the council we had a couple items that due to the timing were added or request staff requests that to be added to the agenda tonight you did have an updated agenda in front of you with the yellow items we have one proclamation that got missed and then there were four time sensitive items on the consent agenda items six through nine that staff is requesting be added due to the timing [7:26] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** thank you any other changes or questions if not would someone like to make a motion with the agenda with the uh changes as noted [7:34] **Councilmember Carlson:** i'll move to a resolution adopting the august first 2022 consent agenda with the additions of items six through nine as presented to us the and the foliage and the full agenda [7:50] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** oh yes where we're at yes oops i'll second it is that including the food thank you second connie second great all in favor aye aye aye opposed all right [8:12] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** takes us to our proclamations accommodations petitions and announcements and the first is the july recycling award recipient is carol geiger at 365 8th street north will be awarded for recycling efforts from funds made possible with a grant from washington county so thank you very much ms geiger for your recycling [8:25] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** the next is our night to unite proclamation and so with that i'll be reading and signing our night to unite 2022 proclamation whereas the minnesota crime prevention association along with aaa of minnesota and iowa and local and law enforcement agencies are sponsoring a statewide program called night unite on august 2nd 2022 and whereas knight united is designed to get to know one another in your neighborhood build neighborhood involvement by building police bringing police and communities together and to bring an awareness to crime prevention and law enforcement efforts and whereas night unite supports the idea that crime prevention is an inexpensive effective tool in strengthening police and community partnerships and whereas 199 provides opportunities to celebrate the ongoing work of law enforcement and neighborhoods in bayport by working together to fight crime and victimization and increase public safety for all citizens and whereas the citizens of bayport play an important role in assisting the bayport police department through joint crime drug and violence prevention efforts now therefore i susan saying ours to hereby call upon all sister citizens in bayport to participate in night unite on august 2nd 2022 further let it be resolved that i susan sainors hereby proclaim tuesday august 2nd 2022 night to unite in bayport and this is proclaimed [9:56] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** this first day of august so um thank you all for putting on our wonderful event that we'll enjoy tomorrow night and please come out and celebrate it with us at lakeside park so thank you all very very much and with that we have more fun and exciting news to share this evening on the same theme we have a life-saving award for officer brittany lipowski and i call upon chief eastman and officer wilkowski to join us and thank you all for being here tonight to celebrate with us and recognize [10:29] **Police Chief Jay Jackson:** good evening madam mayor and council thank you for the 199 proclamation that was nice appreciate it as you always do right now this is about officer lepowski and how very proud i am of her i do not give life-saving awards out lightly and she absolutely deserves it and her peers are here to assist with congratulating her i'm just going to read you my memo and i believe you have it in your packets on april 29 2022 officer brittany lepowski assisted oak park heights police department with a person in crisis who was contemplating jumping off the highway 36 bridge officer lepowski arrived on scene before any other officers and immediately made contact with the juvenile who she observed to be standing on the side of the railing that faces open water officer lepowski did what she does best and she demonstrated sincere heartfelt compassion and she was able to persuade the juvenile to climb back over the railing officer lepowski met with the juvenile with open arms and provided a well-needed hug it should be noted that empathy and care officer lepowski provided this person in crisis occurs throughout the city on a monthly basis and typically goes unnoticed i wish to formally recognize officer lepowski for her quick response to this incident which could have ended very tragically after lepowski is an outstanding officer and human being i commend officer lapowsky for her commitment to the safety of public officer lepowski's actions demonstrate our amazing ability and compassion for the peace officer profession and our community i wish to thank her for representing both the city of bayport and the bayporter police department outstandingly thank you [12:27] **Officer Brittany Lipowski:** hey my name is [Applause] [12:42] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** we're lucky to have you brittany yeah thank you so much for being here and thank you to all of our officers that was really nice you guys thank you well deserved thank you and thanks to all of you for joining us this evening and stay safe [13:09] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** nice ending to that so this takes us um to our open forum portion of the meeting and uh this evening where we set aside 15 minutes every meeting that we host and we talk about allow people to come in and visit with us about topics that are not on tonight's agenda so we do have a scheduled presenter sally anderson from community thread to join us and then if anyone else would like to join us after that they're free to do so by coming forward and stating your name and address for the record but welcome [13:46] **Sally Anderson (Community Thread):** thank you i appreciate the opportunity good evening mayor st orris and the city council members on behalf of community thread i am honored to be here to thank you for your past support of our work and for the opportunity to share how community threads work continues to make a difference in the lives of area residents for over 54 years community threat has offered programs and services that support older adults and families at risk as we reflect on 2021 we are overjoyed that community thread was able to continue its mission of serving our community and humbled by the generous support of our volunteers donors and supporters we have two key messages from last year that we'd like to share with you our first message is how pleased we were to see everyone working together toward creating another new normal as shown by the increase in direct services delivered to our participants as well as visits from older adults who attended social or educational programs community threads served more people in 2021 than 2020 however it was still only half the number we served prior to the pandemic we are well on our way this year toward rebuilding to our pre-pandemic level of service as people acknowledge the importance of staying connected the second message is how exciting it was to celebrate a new record last year our community prides itself on volunteer involvement and community thread coordinated the efforts of over 2 500 volunteers equating to over 300 000 dollars in labor these volunteers were engaged with our organization in many different opportunities ranging from stuff the bus school supply to serving as special coveted relief volunteers assisting the most vulnerable in our community a demand that continues to increase and has become especially relevant is the need to help older adults age in place in their homes and in their communities as adults age many experience barriers to maintaining their independence many face challenges in finding safe and affordable transportation while others have trouble finding reliable and cost-effective help for routine home repairs and assistance these needs have been especially relevant over the last two years at community thread we are well positioned to help adults age in place and we'll fulfill this need with our new model for programming called thrive at community thread in 2021 we introduced thrive through a soft launch and began to offer expanded services such as rides to the grocery store and other essential destinations this expanded service will help us deepen our connection with the community and increase our ability to better serve our neighbors for decades to come to this day our vision to create a community where all people are engaged enriched and connected continues to drive our work at community thread our mission is to maximize resources and engage volunteers to improve the quality of life for adults and their families we are an independent nonprofit and every year we need to raise our entire budget about 75 percent of our funding comes from grants and contributions with the remaining coming from a variety of sources such as united way municipalities businesses faith-based organizations and fees and fundraisers we rely on all of these supporters to continue to offer our programs and services we appreciate the past resp support that we've received from the city of bayport and today we are requesting three thousand dollars for community threads general operations in 2023. thank you for your consideration of this request and for your ongoing support may i answer any questions for you this evening [17:41] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** any questions from the council [17:43] **Councilmember John Dahl:** i don't have a question other than just i know what good your organization does and um i'm thrilled that the city of bayport can have a small part in it so thank you for your presentation [17:58] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** wonderful services thank you and amazing what you do with such a small budget [18:03] **Sally Anderson (Community Thread):** thank you we hope we make a big ripple may i leave an annual report with sarah and she can route it if needed okay please reach out if you have any questions and um i want to acknowledge michelle um for her help with our thrive um launch she's been a member of our planning team and uh has been really instrumental in advancing this program so just a quick shout out to your uh assistance with that [18:38] **Michele Hanson:** thanks yeah it's been very interesting it's been a pleasure to learn more about how it all works and being able to use my research skills to help them do some surveys i owe them a report right now [Laughter] [18:55] **Councilmember John Dahl:** great yeah so do is there anything we have to do to make the donation happen or is it part of the budget [19:03] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** no that was part of the annual budget it is okay thank you thank you [19:10] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** is there anyone else that would like to address the council this evening on a topic not on tonight's agenda okay well then we'll move forward to our consent agenda which includes items now one through nine the july 11 2022 city council workshop minutes the july 11 2022 city council regular meeting minutes july payables and receipts the july building plumbing mechanical and zoning permits report the paperwork bayport fire relief association benefit increase and approval of sc 22 form the pay application number one to miller excavating inc for the 2021 box culvert replacement project an off-site lawful gambling application from bayport american legion for derby days on september 16 2022 a temporary on sale liquor license for bayport american legion for derby days on september 16th 2022 and a temporary on-sale liquor license from afton bayport lake bloon lions for derby days on september 17 2022. are there any changes um questions or comments [20:17] **Councilmember John Dahl:** no just um put it out there that we did have a chance to meet and talk about the fire relief association benefit increase and i learned a lot i appreciate the time we spent on that and everybody's staff and the mayor's out in explaining that to me so thank you [20:39] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** very welcome any other all right would someone like to make a motion to approve [20:47] **Councilmember Carlson:** i'll make a motion to approve the resolution adopting the august 2022 consent agenda as presented [20:56] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** thank you connie is there second [21:01] **Deputy Mayor Ethan Gilmore:** second [21:03] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** thank you ethan roll call please [21:04] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** councilmember carlson aye councilmember gilmore aye councilmember hanson aye councilmember dahl aye mayor stanwards aye [21:09] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** aye sal that takes us to our presentation of the 2021 city audit and with us tonight is molly thompson she's a partner with the schwenner winners cpas and i'm going to turn the mic over to you molly via zoom taking us back to uh to earlier times so welcome thank you can everybody hear me okay we're gonna need to get rid of the volume i got the open forum i did oh okay i'm sorry i totally spaced it okay i see all these people in the audience and i'm wondering why they're all here and nobody came up to the podiums sorry so we'll be having a brief molly do you are you still on mute i can't see uh no i'm not can you hear me no she's not i can't wait it's not me with the volume we're checking on it molly okay thank you there you are now we can hear you and can you see my shared screen [22:20] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** yes yes [22:22] **Molly Thompson (Auditor):** okay perfect let me know when you're ready for me you may go ahead okay sounds great um so thank you for having me tonight and especially via virtual that was a big help to me adam has received the preliminary financial statements that we are through are part of the work on those he just needs a couple days to get through them we do not expect any number changes things of that nature but if there would be something i of course would reach out and let all of you members of governance know that so i'm basically here presenting but we're going to have the final copies in a few days as i go through this i can either address questions as we go if someone feels free to interrupt me or i can take questions at the end [23:14] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** we'll try and allow you to go through and uh if if that works for you [23:20] **Molly Thompson (Auditor):** sure sure that works fine okay so this first slide is really just kind of a picture of the audit process we basically have three phases of the audit we have a planning phase our field work account analysis phase and then i write up a wrap-up phase and the the bulk of where the opinion comes from is during the account analysis and the the last phase and during the account analysis we receive your trial balance and then we apply a whole bunch of procedures to those numbers so we look at all of your minutes contracts grants agreements we look at source documents we make inquiries we perform analytical procedures and other detailed testing and all of that work is in order for us to issue an opinion related to the financial statements and we are issuing an unmodified or clean opinion that the financial statements are fairly presented in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles another part of the audit process at the end we will issue a final report to the members of governance and that's really our opportunity to let you know how the audit went and if we have any concerns um so the audit went smoothly we feel like we have a very positive working relationship with your management we did not note any unusual transactions or treatments of accounting of that nature we are required to tell you about estimates in the financial statements that are significant to us the auditors and those estimates all relate to the actuarial studies that are performed related to para and the fire relief pension balances we're also required to report to you any findings we have related to internal controls we actually have three findings these are the same findings as prior years and the same findings that we have for probably 90 of our audit client base they're largely just relate to issues of smaller staff and just assistance that you need at your end um to help with your year-end reporting so we basically receive the trial balance that is essentially on a cash basis primarily and we have to convert that so we help convert that to the accrual or modified accrual basis as required all of the information typically is coming from your staff we just actually post the journal entries and then you do have an improper segregation of duties and again this relates to the size of your your staff that are working in the accounting area and they really have access to all of the accounting uh system and then we also have to let you know that we actually draft the financial statements for you another part of the audit that's somewhat unrelated to the numbers is there is a large set of compliance requirements that we go through that is put out by the office of the state auditor and it covers the areas listed here contract simplity bidding deposits of public funds conflicts of interest public indebtedness claims and disbursements tiff and miscellaneous provisions and we had one finding in the in that there was a tif district that should have been decertified in 2021 that was not decertified timely other than that we had no findings in this area on to some numbers this slide reflects just your general fund and we basically have a five-year trend here and then over on the right your budget um you will note that the current year the um general fund had a decrease similar to last year of about 316 000 last year the decrease was 274 thousand but you still have a really healthy fund balance in excess of 4 million revenues were less than budget by about 225 000 and extend expenditures exceeded budget by about 735 the the expenditures in excess of the budget were primarily related to capital outlay and street repairs continuing on with your general fund this slide shows your revenues only for the general fund um and we break them up by various buckets molly molly go ahead sure your mic moved just slightly so you're a little muffled if you could go back okay how's this much better thank you thank you um so this shows in the blue bars your 2020 results red bars are 2021 and then green are your budgeted numbers and taxes and assessments you'll see um there were less collections in the current year than budgeted and that was a was a decrease in your revenues to budget by about two hundred and two thousand and then your license and permits similarly you were under budget by about twenty three thousand your inter-governmental however had a little bit of a increase and that just related to various grants that were received in the current year um charges for services fairly consistent budget to actual and then your miscellaneous and interesting community several fluctuations there keep in mind all of your investments are recorded at fair value at the end of the year and a lot of investments did not perform great at the end of the current year you are invested appropriately under the statutes and very conservatively so those investments should be fine over time and then so that was a decrease here but you also had a lot of contributions that were not reflected in the budget along with some increased reimbursements and refunds in terms of expenses this again is for the general fund and similarly we have a two-year comparison and a comparison to budget and generally speaking anywhere where you see the red bars in excess of the green bars so current year actual compared to your budget the change there really relates to capital outlay and street improvements otherwise your expenditures actually were fairly similar to both budget and the prior year or a little bit of a decrease from the prior year and a little bit higher than budget so again nothing unusual here in terms of a unique item one policy that we track quite closely relates to your general fund and you basically have a policy in place that your unassigned general fund balance should equal approximately 40 percent of annual budgeted operating expenditures and as you can see by your numbers you are far in excess of that so again this reflects the healthy condition of the city this just shows a cash trend for your general fund last year you ended the year with cash of 4.9 million compared to about 4.5 million for the current year so a decrease of about 400 000 in the general fund this next slide we're going to start in on some of your other governmental funds so on the graph here we've got your water and sewer improvement fund your library improvement fund and then just your other non-major governmental funds and the key point of these funds is all three of these and the last one is a group of several funds but they all generated revenues for the cities and the non-govern non-major governmental funds had some expenses but obviously as you can see by the change in fund balance these funds all increased and especially your library improvement funds you raised 1.3 million dollars in that fund in the current year so those numbers somewhat correlate to the cash trend and all three of these funds again had increases in cash as well with a tune of about 1.8 million of cash on to your proprietary funds this first slide shows your water fund um your water fund came in this year at a net operating loss of about twenty five thousand compared to uh net operating income of about seventy eight thousand the year prior um keep in mind that does include it is a true expense but it does include non-cash depreciation in these numbers for both your water and your sewer fund so essentially you had a net operating loss but then you have some other revenues that come into play and the fun ended to the positive about 4 700 and again you've got a very healthy in the net position of almost 7 million in the water fund the reason for the decrease if you focus on kind of the middle of the bottom table there you'll see that the non-operating revenues decreased quite a bit from last year that's because in the prior year there were quite a bit of prepaid specials that came in on this one and you'll see the same thing actually on the sewer fund so this slide does detail the sewer fund and again you had an uh operating loss in this fund of about 27 000 compared to about a 60 000 loss the year before and then some of your non-operating revenues helped make up for that and you ended the fund to the positive 40 000 compared to about 88 000 the year before and again an ending net position of 3.4 million and cash position on these two funds um both of these really were pretty flat um from year to year not a lot of change in the cash but one thing to note that isn't on this slide it is in your financial statements your day-to-day operations um provided cash flow and this is cash flow in of 95 000 for the water fund and 23 000 for the sewer fund and then those dollars of course are used to maybe buy some equipment pay down debt things of those that nature these last few slides really are talk speaking to the city as a whole so this is all of your funds on the full accrual basis and this first slide shows your current assets in blue and then your capital or non-current assets in red you'll see that again the city grew this year both your current assets and your long-term assets grew um which represents the growth of the city and the bulk of the blue the 15 million 14 million of that is cash and cash equivalents and investments so again your very healthy city in terms of your liquidity as well this slide shows again citywide all of your funds together what your liabilities look like the blue represents your current liabilities that need to be paid off in the next the 12 months of 2022 and then the red represents your long-term debt and then the green represents the net pension uh liabilities related to both pera and the fire relief association and this slide just is a quick picture of the debt for the city the blue bar is your governmental fund you paid down 125 000 in debt and the red bars are your proprietary funds which you paid down 80 000 so in total the city paid off 205 000 in debt in the current year from there i just want to let you know that the audit did go very well and a very very big thank you to your staff mary did a great job with her first year going through the audit with us and i encourage her to continue to reach out to us if she has questions adam is always available and ready to help out when we have questions and the likes so much appreciated thank you [38:23] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** molly at this time open up for any questions [38:32] **Councilmember John Dahl:** i have a question molly can you hear me okay yes i can um so um early in the presentation we talked about uh revenues were 224 000 less than budgeted and expenditures were about 734 more so approximately a you know if you kind of add those up you get about a one million dollar difference and um at what point does something like that become a problem or alarming or to me that seemed like a lot but i'm i'm uh budgets and financial things are not my strong suit so maybe there's a way you could explain that to me in layperson's terms [39:18] **Molly Thompson (Auditor):** sure go ahead if i can add on to that because that's exactly where my head was i wanted adam to remind us of those larger capital outlay and street repair projects that would have impacted that so just um molly why don't you go first sure um so one thing to keep in mind is um as i said with every fund we've we went through you have a very healthy uh fund balance or net position um what that represents is at 1231 2021 if the city had closed that remaining balance is what the city would have left over you know after paying off all of the debt and absorbing and using the assets on hand and the bulk of that is in cash so it's very liquid okay so that that's that's a good thing um the other thing to keep in mind is that tax collections can vary a little bit year to year but there there is you know a very rare situation where you're not gonna see those dollars so if you have a dip in one year typically we see an increase in the year following or we already saw the increase in the year before due to prepaid specials so that number even though you might be above or below budget you know can just depend on the whim of how residents and commercial folks are paying their taxes on their end um and they were down from budget about 200 000 this year we're losing your mind oh go ahead oh sorry i turned my head to look at my notes so you were below a budget your actual collections were about 200 000 below what you budgeted the other item that did cause a bit of a difference in your revenues is that you have to record your investments at fair value at the balance sheet date so those investments kind of took a dip toward your end and hopefully not that not that the market looks great today but again you're you are positioned conservatively that helps with this somewhat but you just didn't have those those fair value increases that maybe you've had in years prior so that caused a little bit of a dip there as well which shouldn't be an issue for the city long term right so that's those are kind of the big items on the revenue side does that help on the revenue side and then i can speak to the expense side [42:02] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** well and part of that is always um part of the you know just to make sure that people know that that's if we had to cash out but we hold everything to the end and therefore we don't wreck it you know don't have to recognize a loss because we um maintain our investments for the long term until they um come to their maturities so uh that's always a kind of a gulp until you realize that oh we're good until unless we were to act sooner [42:35] **Molly Thompson (Auditor):** exactly yup no that's correct that's a great explanation [42:40] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** yep and adam at the same time could you just remind everyone that's watching and and of the capital outlay and street projects that took place because they were pretty significant in the last year [42:47] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** yeah the well for 2021 um there were there were quite a few payments um [Music] we're already in august of 2022 so i'm sorry i don't have that i just got this today um so i was going to go back and find those numbers um what one is the the 2020 street project that we did um that happened in 2020 a lot of that wasn't paid until 2021. um so that that occurred at that point um the there was i remember the other items we had uh the fire vehicle the command vehicle that we finally got that was 60 000. matt do you recall any other large equipment items that we had we had some smaller stuff one of the changes that we i'm trying to remember yeah i have these actually right here okay they did just one yeah i have the details right in front of me um so there was a sport offense for about 24 000. uh the lwlc project for about 113 000. bobcat tool cap for 60 000 a laser mower for 13 000 a bobcat grater for about 12 000. so that in total comes to about 214 000. and there is also construction and progress let me find the number here give me one second of about 530 000 okay great that relates to several upgrades across the city great thank you [44:40] **Molly Thompson (Auditor):** and the one the one thing just for the gentleman that asked a question that you always have to keep in mind with budgeting is most cities tend to budget for capital outlay like and i'm just gonna use a simple example they might say we're gonna budget ten thousand ten thousand ten thousand ten thousand a year for five years and then we're gonna go buy a fifty thousand dollar piece of equipment so sometimes those budgeted five years don't always align with specifically when the spending takes place under generally accepted accounting principles so that's another little caveat just to to hopefully help ease your mind in terms of um that capital outlay [45:34] **Councilmember John Dahl:** no that that was fantastic oh go ahead just for the record uh you it was john doll here on city council okay that's the questions thank you [45:49] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** i was just gonna add uh thank you for mentioning that uh molly one of the items that i was gonna mention was the adjustments that we made our budget this year for the 22 budget um was because of uh those over time we're saving that money but we're not reflecting it necessarily in the budget so it shows us as over even though that general fund dollars that we're using had been planned for so we're making some adjustments that we started implementing last year to make that not so severe um not so drastic looking so great explanation thank you any other questions [46:21] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** all right great presentation molly and thank you and thank you to mary um and adam i know that all of you put in a lot of effort and time into that the budgeting process and everyone's seems to be doing just a great job again so thank you [46:46] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** i want to thank all the staff for their help this year in getting this done but also i do want to commend mary as molly had mentioned it was her first time going through the audit and i know she learned a lot and she's already made multiple corrections for next year to make it easier for herself that she's implemented but she did a fantastic job so thank you mary i know you're out there great well done great [47:05] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** all right well then um i think with that um we do not have to take any formal action is that correct [47:11] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** not this evening [47:12] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** okay okay thank you very much molly thanks for joining us [47:16] **Molly Thompson (Auditor):** thank you good night tonight [47:18] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** okay that takes us to our public hearing and we we're our first item and only item this evening is to consider a petition to vacate a portion of the north half of 7th avenue south and the east half of the adjacent alley of lot 13 block 118 and with that adam and matt are going to help us understand all the specifics thank you my mayor i'm just going to shut this up john if we could just uh and following his presentation we'll open the public hearing then we'll um we'll close the public hearing then we'll have discussion from the councils just so everybody here knows how it all works okay john from valley access if we could just switch the programming back to the regular broadcast instead of the zoom [48:21] [Music] [48:41] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** um all right madam mayor members of the council uh tonight you have a public hearing for a requested street vacation uh it's on 7th avenue south at the south end of the city on the west side of highway 95. as part of that process we do we are required to have a public hearing for all the affected properties uh notice was published the previous two fridays in the stillwater gazette our newspaper of record as well as individual notices were sent out to the affected property owners we do have the applicants here um as well the sarah have we received any other comments from the public um i don't know if um we do have one other individual here too um so we can uh we'll let them have their piece uh if the council would like a little bit more uh background on it the the parcel is uh smaller it's a substandard size lot it's on the bluff which makes it very difficult to build one of the benefits for doing the vacation in the city's opinion is to ex to make the la size larger which makes it easier to build on as well as control the storm water which is one of the requirements it does need to go all any proposal would need to go through the uh watershed as well uh they have their own requirements um this proposal is has been kind of broken up into the vacation first because if the vacation is not granted that would change what would be ultimately proposed on that site um currently there's the site's been available for sale or undeveloped for many years it because of the size as i mentioned makes it very difficult to develop just one note and i i'm not sure possibly one of the neighbors this year there is a driveway easement that goes across this property on the east side of it that they're they're working through um that the vacation doesn't have any impact on that uh but that also complicates it with such a small lot um so just if you've seen the map there's the uh the south half of the on it's the platted right away um so it's a 60 foot right away the application is for 30 feet of that and then half of the alley which is again undeveloped on the west side of this behind it up the up the bluff um so if there's any questions uh the council maybe wants to wait until after the public hearing and we can answer those and staff can try to answer any of the questions that the public may also have [51:39] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** is there any kind of a diagram that could be brought up and put onto the screen so everyone including visualize we're going to visualize everything yes you know we had i know there was one that was delivered to us but i'm just thinking if there's 43 i think all right is it for you i don't know i just want to make sure that not only us that are in chambers but also everyone that watches and re-watches has that information as well [52:12] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** john if you could switch to click share please great thank you if you could walk us through this just a little bit and i i think that would just set the stage for the conversation so this orange parcel is the uh the current lot the current parcel that is the applicant is looking to purchase um as the vacation is the this purple of this darker color uh to the west and the south of it um this line this i guess this cross line this is the unplanted planted undeveloped right away um designated as 7th avenue south and this is the alley which it's it's only a 20-foot alley there so the 30 feet to the south of this orange lot and 10 feet to the west this is the current driveway that there's an easement that goes through this parcel one of the one of the development requirements is that the driveway or the structure needs to be 20 feet off of any driveway um so that that puts it back farther into the into the bluff if the vacation is approved i guess uh it would make it very difficult if the vacation was not approved to develop this uh but as the next step would be to go through the planning commission uh they would need a slope variance because of the uh being part of the bluff um and that's when the actual engineering design all the specifics would be brought to the council but those depend on the on the vacation at this point they is the 768 that's you okay um so this gentleman here uh is this resident uh that uh lives currently here okay um it's uh in the one that's right red broomish or darker reds color house yes south of the okay subject so the one that the driveway is yes their driveway goes it has an easement going through uh through this parcel and through the the right-of-way there okay great that helps a great deal yeah one thing that we didn't um i don't recall mentioning uh in the memo uh these these parcels were assessed for uh utilities back when it was extended south um but they were deferred until they were developed um so one of the other benefits to the city would be to be able to collect those assessments for the utilities they would be required to connect to both city water and sewer [55:12] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** so where does the driveway go through can you is that like north where that car is on the street is it even north of that is that what i'm seeing [55:20] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** yeah it's uh not the truck but that little car okay it's yeah it's north so it is property directly north of it is there's three essentially three lots uh they're all owned by the it's one parcel um but there's three three of those same size lots uh it's owned by the dnr um as is the property to the west but the driveway comes comes in through here i can't see your cursor but all right yeah it's all right along this long kind of thing that you can see okay now that's all the way up you can see up right below the top of the screen yeah okay comes off at 95. okay so in that sketch you can kind of see how it cuts through on a couple pages after that right yes great well thank you very much for that i think that just helps level set every one [56:33] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** okay so yeah so i'd ask the council to hold the public hearing and then we can answer any other additional questions that come up and discuss it [56:41] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** so at this time i will open the public hearing and anyone who would like to address the council may come forward mike state your name and address for the record so would ever like to join us first you're welcome to do so everyone will get a chance so thank you man [56:59] **Jason Lashing (Resident):** um i am jason lashing i'm the resident owner of 768 minnesota street south the easement that goes through the property um when i first bought the house i was not informed of such lot that was for sale i actually called the the realtor sign and said can you please get the sign out of here because people think my house is for sale um they're like and she informed me know that there was this tiny little lot and if i was willing i could buy it and i thought no there's no reason this is so small it would be absurd to try to develop on it as it is a very very tiny lot so to by looking at this exactly what you guys are seeing um they're saying easements and alleys and all this if you've been there and you've been to the bluffs and you've seen the hill you've seen the trees um they're fully matured trees and to go 30 feet towards my property there's a lot of mature trees there's a lot of foliage and it is the bluffs i think this would be detrimental to the national the natural scenic area that's there um i'm also this all coming about makes me very um i i'm assuming and i don't know that but at the bottom of the hill where my driveway and easement comes in it almost looks like a parking lot and i don't know if that was designed and developed there for parking for this the natural scenic area but nobody utilizes that area because i don't think they know that that is actually a parking space for that most people if you go on the website they love the natural scenic area they complain about the parking because everybody parks up on highway 95 where they can actually see the sign not the little signs that are in the in behind the woods so that's all i have to say about that and whatever you decide is nothing i can do about it but there is a lot of very mature trees and 30 feet is actually pretty big when you think about it and there's an actual lot of trees that are going to have to come down if this is approved do so thank you very much [59:43] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** adam what's the process can we um [59:46] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** i think if the council just hears everybody and then asks the questions mr luchine if you wouldn't mind staying in case sure there's comments well after no no no after the public hearing's over we can have okay thank you thank you questions [1:00:03] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** just so i have a better idea of vacating who currently owns this piece of property that's to be vacated [1:00:15] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** the the city has a it's a road a street easement um the underlying fee title owners would be the adjacent property so the property to the north is um the underlying feed title owner and the mr machine to the south owns the is the underlying fetal owner for the south 30 feet of it um so with a street vacation and tom can expand on this it the city essentially forfeits its easement for a street and it goes back to the underlying owner um so it's somewhat returning the property to the underlying owner basically the city's saying it doesn't need that easement for the street or the road anymore because the city is not the owner of it that's why we can't charge to do street street vacations um we can't charge a general like feed type of owner to get it back [1:01:21] **Tom (City Attorney):** i'll just quickly elaborate on that the in determining whether or not vacation is appropriate it's not just that the city doesn't have any need for the street anymore council would need to find that there is a public benefit in vacating as you see here staff has indicated the property in its current size is unusable the recommendation is there's a public benefit to allow something to be constructed there but um that is determined it's not just that it's not being used it's that there's going to be a public benefit vacating the street that's the standard that the minnesota courts look at when we're making these determinations and then in addition uh what administrator bell said is exactly correct that the vacation is of the city street we relinquish our rights and the property is split between the two fee owners to the abutting fee owners of that street um it goes back to them so i believe in this instance and adam you can correct me i think the applicant is actually a prospective purchaser correct [1:02:22] **Councilmember John Dahl:** and so they have an interest in that they have a contract purchase likely to condition contingent upon this but so yeah the actual property owner isn't the applicant somebody has a legal right to purchase here so who owns the orange square part that's actually what like the property itself i don't understand that part so we own the street is the purple part around that square right street and alley but where who owns the orange park [1:02:44] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** according to according to the gis it's a lawrence rucker okay he owns several uh parcels in the city that i believe he uh obtained all them uh through tax forfeiture um there coincidentally several of them are challenging to uh develop on um they're similarly situated um throughout the city but so this person is ready to sell this property is what happened like i'm just curious how they've been they've been for sale i'm off and on um the market for several years as long as i've been with the city i know that uh we sarah's fielded you know many questions throughout the years every year of wanting to know more information on the details of what would be required to develop anything it is a similar situation as the the the last vacation request excuse me um that was a block north directly a block north almost the exact same as was noted in the memo the city did grant one um at uh sixth avenue south um [1:04:00] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** that fell through [1:04:01] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** no that actually was granted back i don't have the year but in terms of developing it no it was it was it was developed i was thinking another one by mary williams house that one was northwest of it oh okay essentially a block on the other side of the alley i don't remember the one that actually happened remember it was several years ago yeah with within the last 20 years i'm 15 years old maybe okay okay thank you continue on and hear from others [1:04:35] **Rick Fedorowski (Applicant):** hello my name is rick fedorowski i'm actually the one that's working on this too with adam and sarah and everybody else and uh you as well i i'm with you on the keeping the landscape and stuff like that i could do it in that partial that's there and i know what it takes to do it to put the big retaining walls take on going back 50 feet almost 30 feet off the back now you're taking down all the trees in the back if you got the bigger parcel now you're just taking a portion of the house goes in the front my wife and i mean we we like the nature too so i'm not going to come in there and blow everything over i mean if you're we're going to be neighbors we're going to be buddies you know i don't want to start nothing right now okay but that's that's just my take on it but thank you [1:05:19] **Connor Kingdom (Resident):** hello uh connor kingdom uh 404 cedarview road i'm just kind of just here as a public year uh neutral to both parties here i actually had a little bit of knowledge behind the property i did some research behind it as i grew up across the saint croix river out on the water all the time and i just wanted to do some research on it to kind of see how the situation unfolds if you were to actually zoom out on the map there's actually two parcels even further out there's miller excavating which is a little bit further westward and then innovation boulevard or parkway i'm not sure what it's called but that is a little bit more north northwest and there's actually a large porcelain the city of bayport owns over there and then there's south of that is actually the uh department of corrections and that's kind of where you know my my thought line was you know there's a street that's supposed to go through there possibly at some time whether that is a thing or not um i just wanted to make sure everyone was aware that if the department of corrections did need that land for some reason that the city of bayport would have additional routes in and out of there whether or not that comes into play in addition to the city of bayport having a larger portion of farmland agricultural land to the north side of that and it looks like from the satellite images there's actually a lone road that goes all the way back to those parcels so i'm not sure if that future extension is still of an interest but i did also want to shed some light on the parcel that is currently stationed there right now um is able to handle a structure that um at least just from you know some research is able to be 20 by 30 feet um and 35 feet tall and just overall i believe that would be a a fair size home single dwelling for the local community as far as next door neighbors and the city and then the [Music] partial request would be the current partial is 7000 square feet and this request is for 5 000 square feet so that would be an increase of 71 percent of the parcel size and then just a couple other facts that i researched as well to comment on is uh what else let me just check my notes here just one moment please uh uh and then i guess just another uh thing i wanted to comment on as well um just as far as you know again just i'm just a neutral party here uh just the parcel size some other considerations could be um asked before you know sacrificing that street through there um would be one where just the setbacks you know have some exceptions for that uh whether that be in i believe it's 15 feet right now for setbacks on each side um and it was brought up earlier i believe by um adam here was that the driveway setback was 20 feet so i mean i think that maybe should be a thing to consider as a step one before you know forfeiting a potential roadway whether that be street residential or private i think that's all i have to say right now i might have a question later but i just wanted to deliver a few things that i found research there and um just being a neutral party to it i'm sure this was going to be coming up at some point so i've been watching um some of the city council meetings so thank you thank you thank you for coming here right [1:09:28] **CJ Randazzo (Realtor):** so cj randazzo on rick's uh son-in-law and realtor uh the only other thing just go off his uh statement is that roadway that is uh owned by the city right now it would be very difficult to get a road up there under your guys standards for roadways because right now the driveway that easemented driveway on there is too steep like we couldn't change it that we've we've thought about maybe moving it down lower on that property and it won't meet the city codes so by trying to go straight up that hill it would it'd be a very interesting road you know it'd be very i don't know how i don't know how you make it up that road i think it's almost 150 foot 200 foot elevation there to the top so no that's the last thing i kind of want and we and we kind of talked about the setbacks but there's really nothing you can you can't really get closer to the neighboring property so thank you thank you [1:10:44] **Connor Kingdom (Resident):** thank you i just like to comment one more time uh conor kingdom here uh just as far as the the roadway right it could potentially be a roadway but it can also be an additional access way whether that's just walking atvs or something just due to the fact that the department of corrections facility land is owned back there as well as the city of bayport's property to the north side of that as well so there could be potential telephone poles going through there as there is already telephone poles running on the west side of that property line so i just wanted to make sure that that uh alleyway there is if they needed to have power get sent back that direction um you know that section might be more difficult to do to develop the further portion westward and on the top of the hill okay thank you [1:11:47] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** okay great well with that then um i believe we're ready for a motion to close the public hearing [1:11:54] **Councilmember John Dahl:** i'll move to close the public hearing [1:12:00] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** thank you john is there a second [1:12:03] **Deputy Mayor Ethan Gilmore:** second [1:12:05] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** thank you all in favor aye aye aye opposed all right so time for the council to ask questions and to discuss is there anything further that the staff would like to let us know matt do you have any um [1:12:16] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** madam mayor i can answer some of the questions about the roadway and stuff like that just to add some context the proposed purchaser is correct to get a rodent excuse me to uh to install a road in that situation would require some very unique engineering and it's not likely that something that the city of bayport would have would attempt um given the height and the slope of the road we likely wouldn't be able to make our standards for roadways to be installed there there would be access potentially um from osprey boulevard to all that sites up there the site that connor is indicating as the bayport property is actually the prairie property um and so that that property will never be accessed or never developed at this point in time um as it's in the perpetual easement for conservation the other piece would be the department of corrections there's actually multiple accesses to that one being potentially aspirate boulevard to being the miller pit there is access off of stagecoach avenue or stagecoach boulevard if that would ever happen to be developed or there's also access to it via inspiration um through the um there's a dnr side road that goes down to the dnr property which is actually the department of corrections property um that's about all i have okay thank you all right adam do you have anything to do i'm just i'm no pun intended really trying to get the lay of the land is there's a confluence of a lot of different properties there that are adjacent and oak savannah the prison property is there a way to pull up a gis map or something that would it would give us a little more um i can do that clear on what were you know i heard a lot a lot of properties mentioned but i don't know where they are when i'm looking yeah most of them are back on stage coach of miller then um here is curry and then we have a little stagecoach left the railroad tracks come through uh miller's pit as that can't see my cursor but um then to the east you'll see those uh it's really sorry it's really hard on this screen um between miller's pit and there's there's kind of that big white area those that's where all the department of corrections uh property is to the east of that then it turns into the dnr and to the south of that uh department administration it's the dnr not that one these um that's the department of administration department which is the department of corrections the so if you go out to 95 uh west marina this is mr luchin's property is the subject parcel and then to the north and to the west of that is again state-owned land and is there public access to that dnr land like he was saying yeah the parking lot i'm not familiar with a parking lot there i do know that the you know there is a where'd it go significant size apron there's beyonce yeah so that that's the kind of a wide driveway there right so this is the the entrance onto those to go up to these parcels doesn't that help to see that yes okay so the development houses well it just went out there for sales okay selling the property they're done so the property would be to the south of that driveway yes yes why is google maps happen to be garbage day driveway this driveway is that driveway that just showed comes through the dnr land in our own land then it goes through the subject parcel and then there's parcel and then there's the right-of-way which goes through that as well and then finally on to mr sheen's property so kind of draw just with the mouse a square about where this new property would um if does [Laughter] and that so that's what it is now so it would be 30 feet south and 10 feet west yes if it's vacant additional so this is a 60 foot right away this platted so and just to give the console you know 30 50 000 foot view of when the city was developed over the you know 100 years i think 1935 was the last city-wide plat um they just drew grids throughout the entire city and you know some of these turned into roads actual usable streets some of them you know they there's a lot of these lots throughout the historical maps that you can see that they didn't give much regard to the topography at the time or you know anything else they were just planting the entire city so this is kind of one of those remnant parcels there's quite a few of them many of them have been turned into over the years developed over time this one specifically is kind of hold out in this section of the city um and now there's an application for for the development but this this right-of-way as matt mentioned it it's too steep to the city actually turn into a usable road um from the east uh and we wouldn't so we wouldn't really have access going through there if there was ever a need to access anything farther up the um at it's not on this map but at uh it's about you know was it 685 which is you know lake or the marina water level um up here it was uh i want to say it was 8.75 up at the top so there there is almost 200 foot increase over you know the length of the bluff um so if this is vacated then that parcel is granted 30 feet and and your 10 are no 30 and 10 yeah 30 this way and then 10 that way but he would get 30 feet as well mr machine no the request was only for the um just the north half of it if mr luchine was interested the city would be open to that as well because we don't as i said we don't have a use for it um but it also increases his property footprint and his property correct not everybody wants their property increased for land that they may not be able to use or want to bother with trying to use um it would increase the i just didn't want it penalty to automatically take place if yeah and it doesn't sound like that well the just to give the council an idea of this to the north the parts that we were talking about earlier this is the parcel that the address was 690. um this was done uh about 15 years ago um and the county's map actually is incorrect here um they designate this the seventh ave it's not um so we're as part of this process we're gonna we're regardless of the vacation we're going to be having the county correct their maps um the actual platted road is sixth avenue what happened was this sixth avenue that goes into oakwood that some somehow was designated as sixth ave even though it was never planted that way so oh luckily no one lives with that address um so that's a side issue but just to explain the discrepancy on the maps um but this this is a very similar it's the the grade is not quite as steep as you know um so that's that would be the distinction um but this this parcel uh the grade starts sooner so the parcels are the same size that one you're just showing us in this one that we're talking about are the same width and they they were correct but they could do it because it wasn't as big of a slope and they also didn't have the driveway going through or they this i don't know i don't know who paid for this driveway it accesses both um properties so i don't know if the city um improved that or it was this one was done that this property itself was built prior to the vacation and this property uh being approved this vacation being approved i'm just curious like why couldn't they without a vacation do something very similar to what is on that property right there and maybe they don't want that but i'm just curious like part of part of the challenge would be dealing with the storm water because there's because of the slope there further measures need to be taken um to manage the storm water okay the the other aspect is this one has the driveway easement so it needs to prop the structure would need to be placed further back because of our requirements of zoning requirements um one of the things that was mentioned um and i'm sorry connor how do you spell your last name okay gotcha okay thank you um he had mentioned the the other setbacks and that was once that was something that we discussed discussed as i've mentioned looking at different types of variances that could be granted for the setbacks because this is basically even though it's not an improved road it's facing it's technically on the south side that is a right-of-way um and the setback for that 20 feet so the property the structure would need to be 20 feet north of the south side of this lot and 10 feet from the the north so that with only 50 feet you're you're shrinking the usable space um the so staff the staff had a hard time supporting that um based on multiple issues uh with uh going the variance routes um the so staff's recommendation was to pursue the suggestion was to pursue the vacation because that it would make it the development easier the storm water easier it's a larger parcel so there's instead instead of trying to fit something oversized into the smaller parcel it also brings up back when all these lots were planted there was not the current standard size lot we've since our zoning code has come into effect and now we have as was mentioned this is only a 7000 square foot lot um now we have a larger minimum so this would be instead of having it remain non-conforming we would bring it up to current standards for lot size um it's also it is in the riverway and so um there's riverway uh requirements as well um that the vacation would help make it easier to meet so it's uh we haven't had any any conversations with uh mr luchine um we did send out the notice um but we you know we are open to uh it was asked in staff's conversations if you know if there was any interest in the self-half so i'm just letting you know mr gene that if there was an interest in having anything done with your property that you know feel free to contact the city i'm happy to discuss that um that would give give him an additional usable space if he was so inclined um but the the main benefit that staff identified it is one it's as i said we've received lots of inquiries about these and it's it's nearly undevelopable as is without doing some really difficult engineering uh as well as trying to trying to get something out of nothing i don't think it's i i think the council understands that the difficulty in the last size and the topography um this is this would make the most sense from the from the overall use but it it is up to the consoles uh you know it's up to your prerogative to decide if the vacation is whether or not to grant it um we do see this coming on to the tax rolls as a benefit um right now it's a vacant lot um and not that that's the sole driver um but it does there is a broader benefit to that putting the land to good use um we have seen one one picture of a potential structure it it it would uh it did look nice um that's a it was a proposed uh design um but uh mr federowski uh we have worked with him in the past um he purchased the land across from the fire station um and built that home there um so we've known him for a couple years and so we have worked together and he does have uh unlike the last vacation request uh the capability to we are we do believe that it would be done or you'd be able to accomplish what he would like to do um so the outstanding con to this is the loss of the woods and the trees right i mean we kind of took care of the well the street access we don't really need it to get to the land that's over there i feel like that's kind of the only remaining thing to think about is do we want to lose the trees that are there in order to build a home on it and it sounds like you guys don't want to lose all the trees either i mean but i know that was a big issue when we went through this the last time we talked about well how many trees are you gonna leave whenever we talk about any of these it was working with the um uh planned by the conservation district and through the planning commission and through the city river standards i mean all of those things would have to be addressed like if trees are taken out there's got to be certain trees number trees that are put back in right i mean i've built on the water as well and so there's a lot of you know guidance that's provided you know no one likes to see trees taken down but i'm not seeing a i'm not seeing a legal reason to not move forward if there's benefit to the city and there's i i i don't see i mean i i know i know true i know that the impact your property is is going to be adjusted just as though it was an inspiration where we put in the new villas but if you know if the process works with all of the agencies that are trying to ensure that the river scenic way stays as intact as possible or as minimally impacted i i don't see a reason to deny the as i yeah i did as i mentioned the there would be uh other requirements for building in the riverway um regarding color and the type of issues um i hadn't mentioned that but yeah the the actual development of the lot would then have to go through the planning commission where they because because of the slope um they'd have to get a slope variance and so there'd be um and that's where the you know the the more in-depth survey information um would be uh adjusting all the watershed management um and there are there are uh certain watershed issues that uh just because of the again because of the nature of the site they would have to increase those because of that they couldn't just it more than just the minimum for a regular regular lot um but that is the trees there's there's nothing that can stop for someone from building anything there from it's heavily wooded so that is accurate and so do we see so am i reading between the lines correctly we do see possible variances that would be necessary slow variance a slope variance would be necessary but uh to grade any of it this allows us to avoid further variances and and still have a reasonable dwelling correct i don't know that there were any other variances that would be required with this um with the vacation as i mentioned just to reiterate the vacation what it allows ultimately is a more usable property um because you have more there's impervious about you know limits there's uh you know you have to manage all the storm water um it's not just the size of the structure that can be i think you're looking at a 30 yeah 30 by 50 40 um structure and it because of the driveway it has to be set back a little bit more so this just gives the uh potential property owner more to work with um wasn't based on what we've talked about it wasn't looking to again still over size the structure on the lot um but we as i mentioned this i don't know how many years sarah's been feeling questions about these lots it's um and that can change over the years if this council doesn't doesn't grant it then a future council could but um here's a actual someone's come through with a actual proposal request so so the effective lot size would be like 80 by 143 150ish some something like that yeah so 150 by 80 with proximity okay okay any other questions from the council is anyone ready to make any kind of emotion or do you have further discussion topics you want to cover meantime the definition is exactly what you find on vacation with a public benefit and it is in the proposed resolution that staff has provided with the findings certainly you're able to amend that console necessarily as it is the standard is whether or not vacation will serve a public benefit i do feel for mr luchine because he had no idea this was ever going to happen about that property but it's kind of just unfortunate i mean i know that we have a good reason to deny this request things are never never easy hopefully they can all get along later that's the thing right so all right any other questions comments okay anything else you want to ask anyone ready to make a motion oh connor has something i'm okay or not we've kind of passed public comments but if you make it very very very quick [1:33:55] **Connor Kingdom (Resident):** yeah i was just going to say i actually read his um real estate ad when it was listed for sale i did mention a lot of stuff about people's trees nearby and just wanted to comment one last time just as far as reasonable size houses i'm not sure how large your home is but a 30 by 50 seems a little on the excessive side versus reasonable side just driving by just from the riverway again just as a pure boner thank you [1:34:11] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** all right i'm ready to make a motion go ahead jen [1:34:15] **Councilmember John Dahl:** um i'm gonna move for uh approval of the resolution authorizing the vacation the portion of the platted north half of 7th avenue south and the east half of the adjacent alley of lot 13 block 118 as presented to us here tonight thank you john [1:35:14] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** is there a second [1:35:16] **Councilmember Carlson:** i'll second john's motion [1:35:18] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** thank you connie do we need a roll call or is that um i believe a real call would be a perfect okay please go ahead [1:35:28] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** councilmember dahl aye councilmember carlson aye sponsor gilmore aye councilwoman hanson aye mayor sanors aye [1:35:43] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** as all right so look forward to you working really closely with the uh all the agencies they'll help give you all the guidance that you need to make sure that it's you know as preserved as possible and um and just accommodating as can be possible so we look forward to your new venture and thank you so much for your coming and sharing and and we don't always deliver news everyone wants i'm sorry about that all right we will move on now to unfinished business of um discussing a potential project to recognize the city's centennial okay with this adam please [Music] begin the presentation [1:36:54] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** thank you madam mayor members of the council i wanted to so since the last meeting uh there's been a little bit of development on the uh the proposed centennial project um if the case the public didn't catch that or just for everybody's recollection uh the staff had been looking at a gazebo initially was the initial thought and then we as we discussed that further and started getting pricing we started looking at more of a pavilion something that more flexibility and wider potential use for the city and the public so we started looking at that um at the same time uh councilmember hanson with b cal as she's the president had started looking into uh because this was originally going to be kind of spearheaded by vapor community action they sorry mikael um they they started looking at uh what options there were uh staff did meet uh with uh chris johnson from st croy rec um councilman rohanson was there as well at the site to give kind of uh an estimate or a better idea of how uh what that you know where that could be placed and what could be what could fit there um we did get uh as the some of the council may know we got uh the estimates were higher than they initially thought um the last time i think i spoke it was about a 25 to 30 thousand dollar uh estimate for uh like a 24 foot uh gazebo type structure or pavilion um the since then the the ones that we've received are a bit higher um that so it's in kind of the 60 to 75 000 dollar range plus installation um installation uh we don't because we don't have a specific structure it's in the ballpark with like the 25 to 35 000 uh install cost and that's with site prep and depends on what is actually being done or required uh most likely this would be a you know concrete pad concrete prices can fluctuate as they have been with everything else it also would depend on what public works would be capable of doing with this project to see you know if any cost savings could be experienced there one of the things that we've been discussing because we didn't you know when we first started talking about the centennial project or wanting to do something uh we were talking kind of the couple thousand dollar range um for this this year first doing something this year you know we started talking about possibly buttons or some little commemorative something um that obviously this project has grown you know much beyond that so this was not a any significant major project was not specifically budgeted in the 22 budget but now with the 23 budget as we're discussing that um a reminder the 22nd we have our next budget workshop um this would be the appropriate time to if we're going to continue moving forward on this uh to have the council voice some you know provide some feedback on whether or not the city wants to participate uh financially some of the initial feedback that i've heard is that some of the other both be cal and american legion who has offered to contribute twenty five thousand dollars um with their first their first round of support um they were looking at the city because it's a city project the city should have some some part of a vested financial interest in it for the partnership so with that that's obviously this has continued to morph as we move forward but i i wanted to have the council as we move forward further into the budget cycle if this is some if this is still the direction that we want to go um one thing to note i just because this wasn't budgeted um i looked into the financial information uh for the city's park funds and if this the city did increase the recreational capital equipment fund 422 when we were discussing the hockey rink the durable service that was being discussed for the hockey rink um we did increase that by forty thousand dollars this year uh forty thousand five hundred uh specifically um so we do we are as part of our savings and investment last year we you know we're trying to be responsible and safe for these future park projects so if this is decided um we do have money that at the last budget workshop we kind of decided we're not going to go down the path with the hockey rink um so that money not that it's free i mean the city had the audit tonight but we are starting to save for park items so that that those funds are were saved this year um and without any if we maintained that same level for next year which we haven't gone through that as a council um you know there would be specifically for this there would be minimal tax impact specifically on those dollars so this we'll get more we can get more into the actual uh cost and potential cost and the budget impact as we get further into the budget as i mentioned but uh right now we have about between the park dedication fund and the recreational capital equipment fund uh we're still long-term in need of additional funding but we have approximately about 450 000 between the two park related funds that we can utilize um for a project such as this as the city's seen over the years so as i mentioned we have plenty of park projects to go over both maintenance and potential new new projects but with that i did want to as i mentioned just give an update to the council on what has progressed since uh we last discussed this and council member hanson uh did have a uh under a presentation that she had put together uh b cal um that she's going to be meeting again with the legion but the other part of this is we don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves if there's not city support in concept so without committing to any specific dollar amounts um i guess one of the things i'd like to discuss tonight is whether the city wants to continue pursuing this with an expectation of some some form of potential city contribution or participation or if we want to pivot and go in a different direction or whatnot so because we only meet once a month and we're at budget um i thought that would be a good time so i can go ahead and pull up customer hanson's presentation um there we go and i can let her so you're looking at the city portion being roughly well depending on what because we still haven't selected some type of like an actual structure it as you'll see the estimates can run from fifty thousand to a hundred thousand depending on how fancy or how ornate we want it to be it could be a simple you know just eaved uh pavilion or it can get a little more ornate um we have the 25 000 commitment from the legion right now um as i mentioned and i will i'll let customer hanson talk about the future but the i would still expect the city and or city all the partners whoever it is um to obtain additional outside funding um the city shouldn't pay the balance of you know if it's a hundred thousand dollar project the city shouldn't pay you know the 75. um i think that there needs to be additional fundraising or at least you know efforts to acquire outside funding or additional donations for this type of project but that's yet to happen so we're still looking at this being a 23 project um because one we didn't you know specifically budget for this this year but the uh we would want to do additional fundraising for that um as well as we still have to figure out what is actually being done there's not so nothing has been selected as far as how much something would cost so there are a couple examples of the type of structures in in the presentations you sent me today so if john if we can go back [1:46:27] **Michele Hanson:** so you already went over the background you know it's the centennial for us it's the centennial for the legion um beat cal excuse me late last year i think it was um a b cal member came up with this you know we should do something kind of a concept and i brought it to the council remember we talked about it and you said okay if you can fundraise you know we'll figure something out so um that's what i've been out trying to do um as you said met with the legion um didn't quite understand how that process worked but i thought so i submitted a letter that explained a lot of what is already in this thing this presentation but apparently they don't necessarily read the letters before you they decide so there was a lot of there was some confusion so that's why i get to meet with them again later this week hoping to clarify some things and better understand what it is that they have for a vision for this as well as a partner you know how you know because there's obviously a lot of options so we'll get to that but so um anyways i i did a lot of this myself it's not necessarily like the whole cal is who decided to put all this together i just sort of took the lead on this because i was there was no committee formed because i couldn't get interest enough people want to do something but didn't have the time to invest in it so anyway so i put this together for this meeting with the legion not necessarily for you guys but it's also helpful for you guys so um i did after we met last time um chris johnson from saint croy wreck did go meet at the village green and he ended up later that day putting together on page three of his presentation that crazy looking little site map on the left there that has all kinds of numbers that he understands but it helped him figure out where relative to all of the utilities that matt and gopher one went and marked how it kind of looks in the village green and we came up with the placement on the the next well you can kind of see that see that rectangle on that picture that's about what he's thinking or what where he suggested it would go so then i have the the next page shows sort of the vision of where it would be you can see it relative the streets and everything so um so that was a step one you know is it feasible kind of what size could it be where would it fit all that so we went through that whole process and um chris was awesome to work with and very helpful because i don't know how to do any of that myself so you know i can stand there and look around and go yeah it looks like it could go here so he you know knows what he's doing and was really helpful um so prior to that we had already gotten some bids for like a gazebo-like structure like adam talked about and um adam and i talked and i talked to other residents and members of vical and kind of thought about it as a we needed something more useful than it because evo and a gazebo it you can do one slightly less expensive than the vision that i now have but um anyway so so these first couple bids were for that sort of gazebo style just in case anybody decides no let's do that instead but there's um other there's some other compliance issues too that i didn't mention in here like if gazebos are typically raised up off the ground and ada compliance is going to make that you know a little more difficult so another reason to maybe not do the gazebo um just kind of trying to figure out how would it actually be used unless you're going to put some picnic tables in it and then you might as well just do a pavilion you know so um and because this is a special occasion we kind of wanted to do something more unique so the first couple like i said are just basic sort of gazebos i got more into specifics of how they price things out as you can see the very very basic first one which is wood with like an asphalt roof and a tiny little pergola are those called cupolas on the top range is so like the vinyl version is about 25 000 you can do a wood one for about 17. i feel like these are really rough estimates because they're probably not talking about other little things that might go into it this is just a very basic one um and then one with like a metal roof gets up to be like 45 46 000 and about the same size you know so i started looking more closely then at like let's do something special let's not just do a regular old pavilion let's make this a symbol of our community because this it all started a little bit from talking about how are we going to design a logo for the centennial like what what's the what should be in a bay port logo what's our what what symbolizes our town and none of us could come up with it we're like okay so hudson has that like cool arch and stillwater has the bridge what does bayport have we don't have anything that really like people think of when they think of bayport other than anderson windows you know it's like what are you gonna do and that's not even in it it's not vapor people think it is so anyways i thought it would be nice if it was something special and so that's what got me to page 11 which is like could it be a gazebo that has um some kind of like our name going across it or some kind of signage that makes it more interesting maybe people want to take a picture by it because they're stopping in town and visiting whatever and it could also um so saint croix rack had a great catalog that showed some of these examples so you could do a very basic single gable pavilion with something really fancy on each of the ends of the gable you know so you could have ideas to have like our centennial logo and maybe the name you know bayport minnesota under it in that arch and then the other side could be the legion having a symbol for their hundredth you know and whatever you know so we could kind of work on how that might look with them to make it above and beyond so the the i could not find a very very basic gazebo because apparently we're pavilion apparently people don't do that so this one with the brickwork on it that's not included in this price for about 50 000 but it is including this special centennial medallion and um this the signage that would go under that that sunburst logo is what they call that so anyways so my thought on that is yeah that could work and it's not you know nearly as expensive as this next option but the next option i think is a little more interesting and different and it also gives us the opportunity to have because it's this one had is it called a cross gable so it has four sides to it and so the two sides that could be used to have that sunburst logo could be facing out you know so one could face the road and one could face north so that when you drive into town you would see it whereas if you did the other one i think one end is going to be kind of lost towards the school or whatever i mean like so i just i liked this concept and i thought it seemed really more special looking than a typical pavilion so unfortunately it costs you know over 70 000 if you do all four corners with the sunburst on it the sunburst logo thing so you could dial that back a little bit to be about 60 000 if you only did two sides of it and left the other two just open gables so that's kind of where i landed just because i wanted it to be more special but it's gonna take more funds of course um another thing to consider in this whole project is um possibly some signage that commemorates the historical events going on you know so you could do you know i looked into these sort of signs that you'd see at like a museum or whatever park something like that and and uh you can there's all kinds of pricing i haven't done a lot of research on this yet this is something i wanted to bring to the legion to see how interested they were in this kind of a thing you could also just do a very very simple plaque which wouldn't be super expensive but something that just kind of when you're sitting there in this centennial pavilion it explains why we call it that and the history behind it so i thought that could be helpful i also just asked if i could uh someone that i know could give me joe reading's contact information he's the scout master and i thought maybe we could get a scout that could help maybe you know as they've done in other parks put together some informational things so that's a possibility but so that's sort of like another extra thing that i don't think it will cost a lot but i think it would add to the what i see is the vision which back here you know make it welcoming a symbol of our community a historical marker for us so this is just what i was thinking and i guess the goal for me here today is to find out how how much further i should be going with it because it's like i'm kind of caught between them like okay you go fundraise but then how much do i need to fundraise because what are we actually able to pay for what does a city want to invest in it so i can't you know i can't go fundraising until i know what i'm actually fundraising for but then i also want to be able to pay for the whole thing you know so i'm just caught and i don't i just need some more guidance from you guys on what you're thinking and what i should talk to the legion about and we're also at the same time right now um fundraising for derby days so fundraising is very difficult in this moment um probably you know mary gallette is our main fundraiser she's the chair of that little committee pretty much means she does it all and because that's how mary is she's awesome and you know we both decided that we should wait until after we've done the derby days fundraising to even go out and ask for more so how's everybody feeling got questions just want to tell me how you're thinking [1:57:12] **Councilmember John Dahl:** um well i like the idea of you know doing something out of the ordinary and special i think personally i think even though and putting the money aside um the fanciest of these is is pretty small and not not to get melodramatic here but to commemorate our 100th anniversary of town dealt with people's blood sweat and tears i mean goodness that that's not unreasonable to think and i you know i don't want anything to bust our budget or anything like that but i have um high aspirations for something that you know seems like bayport always kind of settles and we do things modest and that's fine sometimes but sometimes you have to um kind of put your money where your health is a little bit and as a bankport resident i i'm behind donating to a special project like this um my personal funds for something like this i would hope um everybody would look at this and find it in their heart in their uh wallet to get behind something like this and not settle for just something that just kind of blends in and it's just another pavilion and it's fine and it's maybe not something special yeah i agree [1:58:45] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** thank you john i summarized it very nicely i i almost think like go bigger or just don't do it you know like why bother if we're not gonna make it something more special i i don't want it to look like our other picnic billions yeah on top of it and say hey it's special even those are gonna cost us quite a bit i mean this doesn't count any of the the site work or oh no you know so and even those very basic ones in the beginning you know you're still talking at least at least 30 000 for something and then if you know if it's wood you're maintaining it constantly versus you know something that's made of these are steel yeah i would like yeah something that lasts and is in keeping with something that's a 100 year anniversary and and if it can't happen in 23 for budget reasons and we have to kind of say hey we have more aspirations for this than what we can pull off in a year and what we can fundraise for in a year i'd rather wait and do it right and a little bit bigger rather than [1:59:52] **Michele Hanson:** yeah one of my other goals is to be able to have some kind of ceremony this year to like groundbreak or whatever to say we are going to do this this is our plan it may not you know come to fruition and get built until the next year but at least we can have some kind of ceremony around it hopefully at derby days which is september 16th and 17th so that's you know only about six weeks away so it doesn't leave us a lot of time to make a final decision about what we're going to do but i guess we could just say we're going to do something it would be nice if we had an actual plan but again i need to know financially how that's gonna happen and how much we're willing to invest in it [2:00:30] **Councilmember Carlson:** well um i'm in i mean i think it's a great idea i think the pavilion and then the village i support it i guess i tend not to like this blue one not that it would be blue i think it just reminds me of a big spider sitting there i think i'd like to see something nice and make it with not just like you say down there um and i think the sunbursts are a good idea so i'm i'm in support of it i guess i i can say personal preference on what you like this one caught my eye right away that first one you said i guess i wanted to to make an impression but i don't want it to also like look like it's totally out of place you know what i mean like i don't want like walking driving the bait from going i mean you know i mean there's that fine line to making it fit in and being extra nice versus making it garish maybe [2:01:43] **Michele Hanson:** yeah no i'm in agreement there and and i even in terms of that one with the double gable ends that i'm not even advocating for that i'm just advocating for something different i didn't take it like that [2:01:54] **Councilmember John Dahl:** you think yeah i agree i putting them ones that we have already would just be kind of kind of pointless and like she said they're still gonna cost 40 50 000 anyways so um hopefully you know we can raise some money with fundraising i don't know how we what do we set a number at or whatever but i definitely like the nicer ones i forgot to add one thing on on the fundraising angle and you can in some ways leave it up to the public and leave it up to the city i mean if we raise x we'll be able to afford this if we raise y we can get this if people are really generous we we can be looking at something like this so kind of challenge people that way to they can vote with their pocketbooks and we get what we get that way [2:02:44] **Councilmember John Dahl:** now i have a question and maybe matt potentially maybe i don't know but i noticed like the pavilions that we have down at the park okay they're all raised up some on a slab on a slab okay and i noticed there was a we were down there on sunday but there was also another group and i noticed they had a couple people with one with a walker one with a wheelchair and i saw them kind of struggling to so is it is it required that they be so many inches off the i mean and maybe you don't no or do you know maybe adam i mean does it have to be could it be it could be a ramp [2:03:28] **Michele Hanson:** yeah yeah i guess that's something like maybe where it would be easier for her yeah i think that's what synchro rec will be helpful with because they they understand what you need to do to you know make it compliant and i think it's all about how we're excavating the site and maybe back when we built those pavilions that wasn't well right a priority or it wasn't yeah regulation or whatever i don't know yeah so i was just curious oh that's a good good question [2:04:12] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** do you have any do you have any feedback or pulse on what kind of percentage of the overall project the fundraising would cover do you just any kind of comfort level from people at this point [2:04:22] **Michele Hanson:** oh because it's so i mean it's a lot of work and it is it's a i'm also planning derby days so it's been a lot of work oh yeah so i i get the sense that the legion is willing to contribute more if they have a better understanding of what it's going to be i think like i said it was very vague and i i came to i thought answer questions at their last meeting and it ended up being you know tell us what you're looking for and i i thought they had read the letter so it was it was a little confusing so i i think that there's definitely room to ask for more from them especially if they're contributing it in 2023 you know if we get some now and some then i think that there's flexibility for them other fundraising sources i don't know i don't know if we can ask general public and how much you'd actually get from that you know if there's you could hit one person that thinks it's a great idea and jen you know wants to give a ton you know just you never know [2:05:22] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** so we have a budgeting workshop coming up in on the 22nd so in three weeks in three weeks which would be a logical time to have this discussion but are you looking for more of a discussion or a commitment [2:05:40] **Michele Hanson:** today it would be great but i think what i really need is to be able to go to the legion and say yes the city is committed to this financially we support it um and i don't know i i don't know if we should have some ballpark if we should have some vision of what what we as a city want to do or if we go with john's idea like well depends on how much we raise what we're going to do but yeah and frankly i mean if if people aren't interested in it and we get modest um giving i'm fine with that if you know if that's what i'm putting up something less ornate and fancy and i'm not you know that that's how people will speak with their pocketbook and that's okay [2:06:27] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** the city's not going to do the fundraising though right [2:06:31] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** not city staff no [2:06:33] **Michele Hanson:** it would probably end up having to be me imagine in whatever committee of people i can find to help and it is a lot of work i mean you should talk to sarah wagner she just did it for the library and i'm hoping that she might help me with this because she's connected to the people that have you know given to the library so maybe they're interested i don't know so now you see where i am yeah in terms of like yeah it's hard [2:07:07] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** how do i make a decision how do you sell something to people to donate to when you don't even know exactly what it is because we don't know how much we want to give you know towards the city so i'm kind of i'm kind of stuck a little bit with this you know if we could fund there was a another park topic during the workshop earlier tonight so i mean i i think until there's a bigger conversation on overall budget it's hard to have this conversation of i mean i think the location is ideal it would serve many many purposes it it would be a really nice addition and i really thank you for all the work that you put in even to date thank you so um but i mean i kind of feel like it's like a budget topic so a budget workshop would be the appropriate time i think overall [Music] it's a really it's a i think everybody says it's a really good idea it's as long as it ends up being that the priority and where the budget budget is allocated if it's about allocated so when do you meet with the legion [2:08:18] **Michele Hanson:** thursday thursday okay yeah too bad you couldn't do something like at least at that every day some type of like it would just be nice to have public input on you know where did they where do they want their their investments to go i mean yeah like this is the idea would be nicer commission right we had a yeah yeah but i mean i guess i was yeah envisioning like having some informational board saying you know this is what we want to do for the centennial we want to put up a new pavilion in the village green [2:08:58] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** yeah oh you're just saying like because we are gonna have um a booth let's say or a tent or whatever where we'll sell that the ducks for the doctor be on friday night at the street dance and um also we're trying to get some merchandise centennial related we're still deciding what that's going to be whether it's you know tote bags or tumblers or some kind of travel mugs that have our centennial logo on it um so we would have like a table where we could say and we want to do this you know vote on what you'd like or something like that if you but you know then give us your comments and then we could you know compile that and do some kind of groundbreaking groundbreaking in fall and like october or something instead i mean it doesn't have to be september but it's a good idea to get the word out maybe but we'll probably get people that aren't all payport residents too maybe they'll drive through town when i have a picnic i don't know john you had no idea no um i mean do we come up with a percentage maybe the trouble with percentages we don't have a number but because i think it shouldn't just you know um i think it's and i want to say this wrong way it should hurt the city a little bit we should have some investment in this it shouldn't just it would be great if we had somebody on a white horse to come swooping in and say here's a hundred grand put out something really nice have fun with it but um you know just like at home you need you need a furnace need a roof you need some basics city needs streets water sewer and things like that but sometimes you need to go on vacation sometimes the city needs to do something special so you know there can be a balance it doesn't always have to just be nuts and bolts and and infrastructure and i think this is one of those occasions [2:11:00] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** again very nicely put john thank you it certainly is but there's a lot of people right now and i get a lot of comments about taxes and is this the time that they want to be spending on vacation when they need other things like gas and groceries that have gone up so much in percentage i just i want to be very mindful in not making some kind of like kind of a quick decision on what is the master amount that's going to be impacted overall across our departments so and i think yeah well sorry no yeah [2:11:47] **Michele Hanson:** it's and i understand the comment but i i i think it would be a little premature to just give a number or percentage tonight versus having that larger conversation yeah um i haven't done an official survey or anything but i have you know talked to people here and there how how do you feel about the city spending money on something like this and everyone that i talked to was like of course the city should you know yeah we need to do something this is our sense this is a big deal why are we not doing it you know we need to do something and of course the city should have some skin in the game you know [2:12:15] **Councilmember John Dahl:** well is this something we you know kind of something along these lines that we get going on city social media and decal social media and kind of like get some ground swell a little bit rather than us 10 people sitting here talking about it for a month straight you know you kind of we're gonna at some point need to engage people and yeah no times like the present yeah it's just figuring out the engagement process yeah what do we want to ask them and that doesn't take a lot of staff time to i don't think to get stuff like this or something maybe a simplified version of this out in social media website whatever those kinds of things [2:12:56] **Michele Hanson:** um what if we thought about so there is that uh what was it forty thousand dollars that was set aside for the ice rink right let's start resurfacing the hockey rink is there some way like can we at least say that's a minimum that we would be willing to put towards it because we already had set it aside for something or do we or do you feel too strongly about there are other priorities because i understand that too i know we need to do you know the warming house needs to be upgraded you know there's there's other things we need to do but can we at least come to some conclusion about some chunk of money that we're willing to set aside and maybe it might end up being more because if we had if we gave 40 000 legion's already given 25 that's enough to cover you know the the pavilion part at least plus a little bit maybe of the site work in the installation so that would be enough for us to kind of work with something i don't know i'm just it would be nice to have a number and if the number could be adjusted if it needed to be because if we don't raise enough we need to be able to say yeah the city's still going to step in and do it because otherwise we've promised all these donors we're going to do something you know so we have to we have to be able to put some numbers behind i don't know i would as as the administrator i would i i do like councilmember dahl's scenario where depending on what outside funding does come in that can kind of direct what level of i don't like using sort of fancy structure um more ornate or you know more features um if there is not a lot of support uh you know and not to diminish the legion's already you know financial commitment the you know as has been mentioned the city does have other priorities um not they may or may not be you know more important but there are plenty of other priorities that the city always has and but if there is interest in doing this whether or not it's purely financial but if you know we the city has not received much feedback because we haven't been soliciting it because we haven't been out advertising this you know we have our meetings that's part of the reason that having this aspect of the meeting but if if we do start to hear things that obviously can guide the city and the city council that there is a desire for this and if that's purely financial where we start to get you know large donations or at least waste interest of you know i'd like to commit this amount of money towards this type of project that i think can guide as we move closer to actually doing something there is support for this in the community um i i don't i i i would i i don't i don't know that i'm comfortable giving a dollar amount or percentage amount tonight only because we're still in the budget um and we haven't received the county's input yet as far as you know what the actual budget impacts going to be so i i mean i think if it's 50 000 out of 100 000 project i'm just throwing that out there i think that's you know that would be kind of the ceiling right now but again that's all hypothetical and i'm reluctant to even say that i just i don't think the city can spend seventy five thousand out of a hundred thousand dollar project um that i think i i just think that would be too too much um so i think for my purposes for the budget it seems like there's a consensus of the council that does support some type of contribution partnership participation what that amount is whether it's five thousand ten thousand fifty thousand that i think it's too early without knowing the actual budget impact of the bigger budget to commit to right now but somewhere in that that realm i think because it sounds like the the council doesn't want the you know 25 000 simple just four poles and a roof structure i i think i i think there is council support for that but because of the budget because of where we're at um it's it's really hard to pick a number [2:17:34] **Councilmember John Dahl:** can i throw something out for just everybody to consider between now and the next time we meet started to interrupt um think about i mean this is this is like a park type type of an item right this is in our village green so what is in and i'm i'm sort of maybe expecting an answer now or later but what's more important in our parks right now what what are some things that we really need that are that would push this back a little bit is there you know we talked about the ice rink resurface to me something like this is far more important than something like that personally that's my feeling but so i guess i kind of throw that at staff and the rest of the council to think about what is are there and then maybe there's an opportunity there that it's hey we forgot about x and maybe that is can be the centennial project to you know just throwing it out there [2:18:41] **Michele Hanson:** that's like a really good point john and i talked to adam about that too i said well maybe i need to if the warming house needs to be upgraded maybe that's where i need to redirect my efforts and we upgrade the warming house to be a really cool structure that has this centennial theme or whatever but then we started thinking about how much even more expensive that project's going to be you know so if this is a 75 to 100 000 project a warming house rebuild remodel whatever it is gonna be huge so you know it's like and i don't know what really needs to get done at the warming house if we're talking about tearing it down and putting in a whole new one or what kind of stuff structurally needs to happen there but i feel like that's that's the really the only other thing that i've heard of that we need to do is improvements to the warming house [2:19:40] **Joe Hansen (Public Works Director):** ready and yeah that's true the tennis courts too so matt i would i would have one other thing that shelter number one at the lakeside park so i did get one estimate it's 41 000 to redo the roof um just to replace it essentially so that's the biggest that's just one estimate so waiting on a couple others yeah so that's re-rip it ripping off the whole roof redoing some of your electrical work um putting on new decking and then putting on metal roof [2:20:18] **Michele Hanson:** all right okay yeah so it's just not ripping off so not like for like here and not asphalt shingles and crack okay correct that's a good point that doesn't even count like we would want to do some kind of electrical in this pavilion too like i think that was talked about in a couple of these that i saw talk about some electrical oh we and we could yeah that was the gazebo styles and i mean there's electrical there so it's not like it's hard to hook up i think but that's another cost to think about too right that i haven't put in here so it's just a lot of things that i don't know i've never done this before so i'm relying on people like chris johnson and matt [2:20:53] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** do we have a budget workshop scheduled [2:20:55] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** yeah august 22nd [2:20:57] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** august 22nd all right let's so for now just so i understand what my direction is i'm meeting with the legion and i'm going to tell them that the city is on board and that we're we're looking to do something nicer if we can get the money for it and we're going to try to do more fundraising and just kind of see where they're at the legion and how they're feeling about things and in the meantime am i also supposed to be reaching out to the public to find out what like they want or what what do we want to do with that part am i putting a survey on facebook or something or you know giving them options how are you guys too many options or do we wait on that until we have our budget meeting i guess go ahead i don't know i was thinking i i would maybe meet with the legion have our budget meeting i mean you can still put feelers out there just saying this is what because i've mentioned to some people and some of my staff and stuff when they talk about corn or the dog i think the night wasn't village green but they have a with farmer's market and i i'm having a brain fart anyway and i mentioned you know that there was talk about putting a pavilion over there and you know i've gotten good feedback from it so i think if you maybe just verbally start talking for right now until you meet with the legion and then yeah the budget about it yeah well maybe the rest of us need to do it or maybe you you're gonna put out little blurbs aren't you could you just put out hey this is something that's on the horizon we're wanting to you know see what kind of input we can get back from the residents or is that not allowed [2:23:01] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** no i was like is that okay for me to do on something i would say that the um the city should maybe put out okay general poll that the other groups can share if they want on social media um but then it's at least the city you know the administrator doing the city staff doing the actual work and then um you know that can be shared with anybody and i mean it could be simple it's just as simple as this is what yeah i would i wouldn't get into you know committing to too many details oh that's what i mean you know the city's looking at this type of project you know i don't know how much to i haven't put a lot of thought into that but i can come up with something simple yeah obviously it's not scientific but at least just to gauge you know some interest out there um we can you know send the link out to our mailing list and just you know if i i do think that you know to commemorate the centennial but you know the city you know funding a portion of it um which could or could not have an impact on you know i'm reluctant to even say whether or not it's going to have an impact on taxes because i honestly don't know at this point it i would assume that if it's you know within that window that we're talking about we wouldn't have to increase anything specifically for parks but we do have these other projects you know as it was brought up the warming house i mean that is something on the horizon that we need to deal with um we had the audit tonight you know we are continuing to you know we're trying to stem this paying using our cash balance we can't continue that forever um but we've been doing we've been getting things done we've been doing things so we're we're spending money um without raising taxes i mean the money's got to come from somewhere we haven't been bonding we did one you know and we you know our taxes we have raised those so it's been a balance kind of a all of them a little bit of each but i mean i guess that could be a question i i have to think about it i don't know right now on the spot what how it exactly be worded but um without you know it's not are people okay with their tactics going up to all the gazebo that's not what we're gonna get the answer to um because i'm not suggesting that but just some type of you know is there interest in the city you know participating financially and doing this you know i think it's more important to get you know get it right and get you know get input and if it's a 2024 project or whatever then so be it that you know we kind of missed the centennial in some ways and something's probably going to happen anyways but um i would want to make sure we take the time to do it right and do what people actually do it's just to do it type of a deal just to say we did something if it's not what everybody wants [2:26:27] **Michele Hanson:** could we have a number by the at the workshop so then at derby days you can say okay we've got this from the legion and then this is the city's commitment and this is what we're looking to well we should have yeah so the preliminary budget will actually be approved on september 12th derby days is the following weekend so the council in well i won't say in theory we'll know what the budget i was the preliminary budget will be um with the preliminary levy so the workshop we should have that information by the 22nd as far as i can put a couple different placeholders as to what you know the entire 100 000 versus zero um we should we'll have the tax impact from the county by then so we should know how much every ten thousand dollars in taxes or levy has on the median home value so okay yeah that's what i would i would say we do that okay [2:27:16] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** so what was the final answer was that we wait until after the budget yeah or the budget workshop okay i am still meeting with the legion so i'll just get a sense for how they feel about having more details and what their their vision is too okay okay thank you all for spending all that time on yeah thanks for doing that okay so then we move to new business which we have two items um one is to consider an amendment to the bayport community action league partnership resolution 1210 and then we're going to follow that with a temporary sign policy so let's start with number one adam thank you madam mayor members of the council if you read the memo back in 2012 the city and the airport community action league uh city passed a resolution establishing a partnership with b cal and that resolution was approved as resolution 1210 uh since that time uh the list of list of events that because been putting on and holding and sponsoring and organizing uh has changed so the main purpose of the amendment is to update that there really are no other substantial changes to the actual partnership resolution just for the public and the reminder for the council it essentially the city states that we do partnership we do partner with pcal we find value in the events that they put on and organize and we want to be supportive either financially or within kind donation and we you know appreciate the work they do in the community uh so that's basically just recognizing them um as uh i don't say a favored status amongst uh the community organizations but they are the uh the most active and they do the most with the city um so with that it's really just changing uh the list of the events that they do it does uh say that there could it could in the future be changed uh various events if they stopped doing another one or add another one and it did add you know that acknowledgement that it could change again so if there are any questions [2:29:21] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** any other any questions sounds pretty straightforward anyone want to make a motion [2:29:28] **Councilmember John Dahl:** i'll move to amend the decal resolution 1210 as presented thank you john [2:29:35] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** is there a second [2:29:38] **Deputy Mayor Ethan Gilmore:** a second [2:29:40] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** thank you ethan all in favor all right opposed okay item number two under new business to consider adoption of a temporary signed policy for the bayport community action league okay this uh this was an interesting uh policy that after because of the bcal and the city had been partnering um in was it 2000 sorry in 2016 a signed temporary sign policy was suggested uh staff went back and created the signed policy but it never actually came back for final approval at the city council and what the policy would do is allow a little bit more flexibility again kind of as the as a special organization in the community uh for the farmers market um so some of the temporary signs because they had so many events and normally uh parties limited to how many uh temporary signs they can have per year on our excuse me under our sign code and so what this policy would do is offer a little more flexibility as far as the temporary signs it did distinct or it did identify you know where they can be located uh where they how long they can be up so it set guidelines as to what the parameters for the temporary science would be this just came up again that there were some suggested changes when decal was looking at the partnership resolution and that's when we discovered that it wasn't actually formally adopted i can't find any record as to why it never did it just wasn't ever voted on but staff did had come up with this um so i think that was news for everybody but the the the big changes were a couple again it had referenced the partnership resolution for the list of events um it just said as noted in the partnership resolution so we just amended that the council just amended that so that that changes um instead of specifying each time and then the uh like for the farmers market there were specific uh uh limitations on the science where they went from three signs to five but other than that subjected the city not subject the decal was supposed to historically had been required to have each sign approved through the city before they were placed as part of their special event application that had not been because we hadn't been referring to this policy that had not been taking place um so we updated that language uh to the actual practice that had been in place um and so they're still subject to city approval um all the aspects of signage are subject to city approval um but it's not required as part of each sign or each special event application um that they do at the beginning of the year and each time they like if you recall back in january they get the list of all the special events and then as each special event comes up they do a more up-to-date uh detailed application so those were the big ones the big changes on this again some of it was just updating uh giving it a little more flexibility with uh flexibility on how to go about getting the the science approved as opposed to making it part of each application um then a couple of the numbers were increased and the list of events was changes to refer back to the partnership resolution so the just one other thing uh the sign ordinance in general is we are planning on bringing that back soon so that will that will you know i know the temporary science was one of the issues that the city wanted to address in the sign ordinance amendment um so this may i don't know i don't know how much this will change um as far as being different but these parameters um after reviewing it i think are workable especially for specifically for bcal because they are a little unique they don't have just one event a year um it's they i think it's fair and appropriate to kind of call them out because we have the partnership in allowing them some flexibility or at least you know it's not a waiver for the signs um most of the rules still apply but they it would be difficult to accomplish what they accomplish with regarding science if it was under our current code or having no regulations for our future code so this is kind of a happy medium [2:35:10] **Michele Hanson:** adam i think that is why it never got finished was we were supposed to look at the temporary sign policy and then it just kept getting pushed so i'm guessing that's why it never like went through all the final steps because we thought oh well maybe we won't need it because we're going to look at the temporary sign policy for the city and maybe it would just be incorporated into that or whatever so i think that's why it was there but never quite finished [2:35:36] **Michele Hanson:** so i'm ready to make a motion that's just one but does anyone have any questions i moved to adopt a uh bayport community action league temporary sign policy as presented [2:35:50] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** thank you jen [2:35:52] **Deputy Mayor Ethan Gilmore:** thank you ethan [2:35:54] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** all in favor aye aye opposed too much information right okay so i've been off for a week so i haven't had to work so i'm dumping it all the time so you'd be happy to see it thank you for your so thank you thank you for the detail and uh and thanks to be cal for all of the hard work so all right so city council liaison reports let's start with john [2:36:26] **Councilmember John Dahl:** i just pulled mine off um middle saying cry watershed met in july um boy it's always right after our meeting so i have to hang out with this information for a long time try it electronically this time um our 2023 budget is exactly the same as it was in 2022 we were able to hold it flat so that is good that being said um our communities contributing to it um they're recalculating how our communities in that organization pay and the last time it was recalculated and is in um was in 2010 and it's based on population so um bay ports will go up slightly we didn't have a number so i can't share that um our 2022 second half contribution was asked for and i imagine we settled up um so and then it was just something that one of the problems we're having something we're seeing coming back to us is cities not necessarily bayport and i don't think bayport was called out in this but um cities are allowing property owners to move forward before the process with the middle saint cary watershed management organization is completed so they've asked us we're having to go back to these properties and have them fix problems that should have been shouldn't have happened in the first place and that's because cities are kind of waving the magic wand and saying go ahead we'll work that stuff out later so um there wasn't any um properties in bayport but there were several several of our uh friends to the south and those communities have a hard time doing that okay so um that is all i have from [2:38:15] **Councilmember Carlson:** okay well the library board met in july um a couple things we got back the interior bids and they came in slightly under budget so jill was pretty excited about that um she wanted me to remind everybody that next week the library will be closed to the public and then starting august 15th city hall will become the domain of the books and she wanted to remind that the hours will be a little bit different monday it'll be 10 to 5 tuesday 10 to 6 wednesday 10 to 8 thursday friday 10 to 5 and then saturday 10 to 2 where they can come and do their thing out in the lobby area right is that where it's still going to be the lobby area club the lobby [2:39:13] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** yeah we've got partitions i'm madame thank you councilman carlson uh do we the city uses the police we use the conference room and in here we it wouldn't work so we actually have partitions that we're placing out in the lobby area um that way it's probably the safest for them as well because there are cameras out there as their security and [Music] it's so it's most visible and the sound really shouldn't make an impact we've tested some of it um but we we have partitions partitions that we had done in public works that we can use to separate that um so we will be using for the chamber of use we will be using just those doors um so that'll be no longer public through during that period it'll still be able to escape fire or safety hazards but they will be out there for the interim starting august 15th and um the project as long as everything goes accordingly and it's been going really well she said we'll be kind of full steam ahead on on the 15th they'll start um and she wanted me to remind everybody of the open house the 8th at 4 30. [2:40:24] **Councilmember Carlson:** yes groundbreaking yes sorry very good thank you and that's it good work on the behalf of the library all the fun oh my gosh they've done wonderful yeah wonderful good now yeah good [2:40:39] **Deputy Mayor Ethan Gilmore:** ethan uh we have not met we're meeting on the 15th i did get an email from penny and the audit is in so i think that's going to be the big topic of discussion on the 15th but other than that i have nothing else to report thank you [2:41:01] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** very good michelle i've been working on this pavilion [Laughter] oh yeah so you guys know what i've been doing derby days planning um one quick question that just reminded me of that for adam we were hoping to add to our schedule um a display collection of historical information about bayport and we thought maybe we could do it here but it sounds like the whole lobby is going to be used so during derby days we wanted to have a place to have it displayed so should i be looking for other places [2:41:51] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** i hadn't had a chance i saw the email come through um depending on we could be talk after depending on the size parameters we should have some room still okay it's we've still got we've spread we've got surprisingly more room than it feels like out there so okay and if i mean maybe we could use the chambers for that saturday a few hours on saturday and that would be it but okay just didn't want to forget i need to make sure everything's on the schedule okay thanks i think that's it i didn't i didn't have a planning commission meeting but i there is one on august 22nd but i probably won't go since we have the workshop and it's my anniversary and so if someone else wants to go [2:42:55] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** so we'll check out a backup yeah and why am i not getting am i the anderson advisory council person because i have not heard anything from them all year are they just not doing it i mean i used to be it and i feel like i've went like a couple times a year and it's already the city hasn't august of from that uh group for i feel like we shouldn't have checked in with them because they're supposed to have those media like it's part of some deal we made with them right that they have to have i know they postponed the back in 2020 right which made sense since 2023 [2:43:10] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** okay staff can reach out and thank you follow up on that i do not have anything to report [2:43:14] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** so we'll go jump right over to staff uh thinking about a mirror first i will call on chief eisinger [2:43:15] **Fire Chief Gabe Kinney:** thank you it's sitting too long good evening madam mayor and council members i'll just go through the highlights uh the july call volume we ended up with 118 calls compared to 102 from last year of 2021 our year-to-date is 628 compared to 529 in 2021 so basically we're back climbing like we were before monthly drills were hand lined uh water flow and quarterly er module fire inspections were ongoing as well as new plan reviews we had still water mass casualty incident which as you know from this last weekend it helped out for the medics and that because they needed to use that across the river we did the lumberjack day parade this week as with the police department we're just going to be swamped with events there are four communities for night to unite we have over nine events that we have to try to make tomorrow plus safety camp and then we have the county fair so with that i stand for any questions it's going to be a long week for all the firefighters a big thank you in advance so any questions for chief no no thanks for hanging in there yeah i'm like you stayed that whole time just for that no problem thank you wow [2:44:45] **Police Chief Jay Jackson:** chief easement good evening again madam mayor and council uh today we had safety camp at lakeside park and we have it again tomorrow 8 to 3 30. tomorrow is a big day because we raffle off a couple bikes and then of course we have the life saving award for officer lepowski and i want to thank you for your wonder wonderful acknowledgement of that that was appreciated as i said i think all of my staff do really great things and it goes unnoticed quite frequently just because you can't get up here and talk about people's personal lives but brittany and most all of the officers that i've ever had work for me do a great job and i only hire people that are compassionate and care about our community and she does a stellar job so thank you for that um again tomorrow night five to eight night to unite down there we have some raffle items so please join us i sent an invite out to the doc anderson's croydell the bank all the business owners told them to come down it's a great platform for them to get out their businesses i know the pcao will be down there oh really i don't know they usually are so um that'd be a great place to get ideas for you know all of you what you talked about august 24th akbar glammers approached me and asked if i wanted to do an ice cream social and we'll be doing that on the 24th right across the street here at mabel's and they are providing us a discount so thank you extra glamors our city attorney for that september 8th we have a all officer training shoot our total incidents are 4 63 i did look into the alley we did directed patrols there just so you know following up on that and i'm looking into the new potential ordinance that i'm going to be working with assistant administrator taylor and mr bell on that have reached out to other communities sounds like stillwater is working with the league of minnesota cities some to achieve something with that i stand for questions [2:47:05] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** what was the ordinance about potential [2:47:09] **Police Chief Jay Jackson:** so we're talking about the thc um and the hemp ordnance and what to do with that situation okay yep so we are looking into that mayor any other questions [2:47:19] **Michele Hanson:** how's the k-9 fundraising [2:47:20] **Police Chief Jay Jackson:** so he's going to be down there in the police booth officer cornell who's been designated as that and he'll have a little dog down there with a sign and what have you um i think we're at about 1500 i'd have to ask mary but i think we're currently at 1500 so and your goal well it's gonna cost about eight to ten so but we do have some donations coming over uh the legion gave us a pretty good donation already um and some individual people dave levy who used to work down here yeah i think he was on the planning commission he gave us and he's donating food but he'll give us some donations um as well i know i'll be donating and we'll just keep scrounging away and come spring hopefully we can send him to a class if we can get a dog donated that would be helpful but the training is the big cost with that dog so and then training the officer [2:48:04] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** great any other questions any other questions thank you also thank you everything that you and your team are doing we'll look forward to tomorrow night thank you chief [2:48:19] **Joe Hansen (Public Works Director):** public works director client uh madam mayor members of the council uh public works says normal has been working hard through the summer grass mowing has pretty much so been non-existent but um we've planted quite a few young trees the last couple of years um so we've actually been watering them on a weekly basis thankfully a lot of them have survived but we've definitely had a lot of trees that are starting to look worse for the wear we've also been working on line striping throughout the city pretty much all the yellow striping has been completed i'm sure you've noticed on 95 where it's nice and bright again and then some of the major projects um we'll be adding an ordinance change coming up with ms4 permit this is based on essentially regulation of road salt the city has to require that if anybody is storing road salt in the city usually like landscaping people or potentially anderson windows doesn't but sometimes those big organizations like that use it for their parking lot that you have to have it covered and that a few other regulations on use and stuff like that so left to change ordinance for that um the booster station uh pump upgrades project is starting to move forward um there was a couple installations of different items um and the bigger parts of the where we rebuilt the pumps and rework some of the interior electrical will be happening later this fall when our usage goes down we've received essentially cross-sections and bank stabilization methods from seh for the peril creek 2nd street north bank stabilization we talked about this probably a couple of months ago i believe probably going out for a bit i have to talk to the homeowners to see what their preference is we were given a couple different methods and then go out for bids on you know their preferred method and then last item pero creek we did turn that on about three weeks ago even though there are certain parts of the city that it does not appear that is flowing through um right now it ends probably about um apparel park essentially just because it's so dry out that we don't have a lot of capacity there so a couple people have called wondering hey did you turn the creek in so oh i guess i do have one other item the box culvert project which you had to pay application for tonight centurylink was there today to um splice the last cables and so we should be able to complete that project here in the uh next couple weeks and there'll be a final payout hopefully in september [2:50:56] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** excellent thank you matt any questions it be flowing by september 17th [2:51:17] **Joe Hansen (Public Works Director):** better rain that's a good question um we might have to stop it like a maybe a week ahead of time in order to build some of that up i'm a little surprised that it has gotten as bad as it has because uh puro pond is actually fed by quite a few springs and so that means it's really really dry out i have to come up with a way to do it in the river or something thank you back to you all right uh [2:51:50] **Sara Taylor (Assistant City Administrator):** assistant administrator taylor uh the past few weeks have mostly been dedicated to preparing for the state partisan primary election that's coming up here on august 9th drafting required notices for posting and publication training and scheduling the poll workers that helped me staff the election marking belts for the testing equipment and then also conducting our preliminary and public accuracy tests on the election equipment um the polls will be open from 7 am to 8 pm and as a reminder all residents vote at the bayport fire station again that's tuesday august 9th per persons unable to vote in person are encouraged to absentee vote at the washington county government center that's where they'd go for that the summer edition of the city's e-newsletter bayport brief was posted on our city website last week the newsletter is meant to supplement our typical print city newsletter by highlighting important projects or events that might not be possible in the print version due to timing residents can subscribe to receive the e-newsletter and other city notices on the city website by searching notify me and a print copy of the e-newsletter is also available here at city hall so if you'd like a champion didn't receive one contact us uh planning commission meeting has been scheduled for monday august 22nd at 6 pm the agenda will include an application from anderson corporation for rezoning parcels located on the intersection of 3rd street north and 6th avenue north they appear to be already incorporated as part of the anderson facility with the exception of one existing home that's kind of deteriorating that they're going to demolish so their zone residential right now we're going to zone them industrial to be incorporated into the rest of their parcel also on that agenda we're going to talk about an amendment to the zoning ordinance related to swimming pools um they have been getting more popular and there are certain areas in the city where um in talking with their building official we feel like a automatic cover could be an equivalent replacement to a fence and that's already allowed on point road this would be extended to osprey boulevard or saint croix bluffs which have those larger estate type flats in talking with staff and our building official we're not sure um if that's the best fit for the rest of traditional downtown bay port because the lots most of the lots are very small so we're still working through those details but we'll be presenting that to the planning commission on the 22nd and the council on september 12th that's all i have [2:54:14] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** very good thank you welcome any questions all right thanks [2:54:26] **Matt Kline (City Administrator):** madam mayor members of council i'll make this very brief um do the hour first of all thank you for uh getting through all the business tonight i'm sorry that it kind of stacked up over the past few months it seems but we did accomplish a lot um the i've been working on the budget uh for the last couple weeks and as was previously noted at 4 pm on the 22nd of august i'll be having our next budget workshop and then again i anticipate to have a final budget workshop on the 12th of september before the regular city council meeting where on the 12th the preliminary budget will be adopted by the city chief eastman had mentioned that we're working on the cannabinoid legislation impact so we'll be bringing that forward as we move uh we'll learn more about how to deal with that the other thing that i had in my my report was the croydale tiff that we was mentioned in the audit uh was certified or decertified we finally heard back from the council after quite a long process but we will go ahead and because the timing they've already made some payments to us this year for this year but now that they've decertified that we'll return those funds back to the county and then they'll redistribute that with proportionally to the school district the county and the city so we will be getting a little bit additional tax revenue this year and then going forward that because that tif is no longer in place uh the tax revenue from that the tax value for that parcel will be increased um so they they're well aware that's how it works um but so that that will help the uh the city's budget and tax valuation so with that if there's any any other issues regarding the budget please let me know or questions as we work through getting it ready for the next workshop and with that i stand for any questions any other questions for adam something maybe it's appropriate right now i forgot to bring up but somebody mentioned something about fourth avenue by anderson was blocked off recently or something there was a bell with you there was a sign placed at the boat launch um saying that the public launch or she said boat launch it's hanging on my door uh closed on august 6th for company picnic that was not approved by the city um so we're we're working with anderson to kind of track down how that came about um it was not part of a application or request that is public city street fourth avenue and the public bolt launches public we work very closely with anderson on many issues and that's one of them but this one someone seems to jump the gun a little bit and putting the sign up so the sign has been signed down now and we're in contact with anderson to figure out what what happened so uh it does not close on august 6th uh public street public launch so can i hear anything else i'll update the council on if you need to come let thank you uh any other questions comments announcements i just have one thing that i forgot um joe wanted to mention tomorrow there's um it was supposed to be down at lakeside park a little puppet show at 10 30 a.m because originally they thought the library would be closed this week but instead due to the traveling kids down there and the heat they are gonna have the puppet show same time 10 30 at the library all right well anyway they should check with jill if they want to get out there exchange check with jill [2:58:27] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** okay great finally anything else if not would someone like to make a motion to adjourn movie adjourn thank you michelle is your second [2:58:39] **Councilmember Carlson:** i'll second thank you connie [2:58:40] **Mayor Michele Hanson:** all my favor bye-bye [2:59:30] [Music]