writing senior programs division under Parks and Rec that program no longer exists seniors feel unwanted they feel like they're being slept under the carpet they feel like things are being taken away from them and they're being all lumped into one pot especially through this New multi-generational Concept that is in place seniors want to be around seniors there are many programs for the Youth catering to their needs as the youth do seniors have those same kinds of needs they want to be with seniors socialize with seniors be mainly stimulated by the conversations that they have together Council has long stated that they are concerned about the health of seniors by wanting mental stimulation physical exercise and socialization to keep seniors healthy and happy senior specific programs offer that and seniors are content and happy with no senior specific programming seniors are in danger Washoe County leads the nation in senior suicides without senior specific programming it is definitely could increase the statistic that is already bad and what benefit would it be to a place that we all want to call home I hope the council will look at creating something for seniors in the City of Reno that is specific for seniors just as the city has for its youth the youth and seniors have different needs one is young one is older I hope that the council can issue a Direction so that seniors know that their City cares about them I thank you for your time today thank you and with that we have no additional public comment and we will move on to item A4 approval of the agenda all right make it a motion to approve the agenda if there are no amendations I'll move to approve all right I have a motion I have a second all those in favor say aye aye all those opposed motion carries all right at this time I'm going to ask for Item B uh consent agenda I think I'm right all right good um consent an agenda I'm going to start with you councilwoman Ebert anything you want to pull off uh no all right nothing Madam mayor all right um councilwoman Dewer yes um B1 just to do a shout out um and B4 and B5 because of the dollar amount three four and B5 and yeah fire okay do you did you see E1 or B1 me uh B1 oh B1 not E1 no okay B1 and B4 B5 okay thank you so much thank you for your clarification councilwoman Taylor none thank you madam mayor all right councilman Martinez nothing at this time Adam Mayer thank you okay councilman breakfast yes Madam mayor I was gonna pull B4 and B5 also okay thank you so much may I get a motion to approve all other items on the consent agenda Mr clerk for the record can I ask are we trying to use the software system okay so then I would ask to be in a position to make a motion to approve all right I have a motion and we have no public comment for this item hi thank you I have a motion a second I have a second all those in favor say aye um opposed motion carries unanimously okay let's head over to item B1 yes Madam mayor um on B1 I just wanted to do a shout out um zozo's uh restaurant has been a landmark in Reno for many many years uh their owners have done a phenomenal job they've become pretty famous for serving fantastic food I note that they're in for approval of a privileged business license for change of owner and so um I think that means that the owners are either half sold or in the process of selling and I just wanted to take this moment to acknowledge their phenomenal contributions to our community thank you all right are you gonna give me a motion uh a motion to approve all right thank you so much I have a motion second I have a second all those in favor say aye aye all those opposed motion carries unanimously okay item B4 Madame mayor I think I think we could probably take these okay we'll do four and five together I objective questions on each and I our time limits prevent us to be able to have adequate time so I'd like to take them separately for a third discussion of this program together you can address both of them together and then we'll give you enough time okay so Madam mayor okay I pulled this off just because I think it's a phenomenal um achievement uh I believe that the city's had a grant pending or this reimbursement pending for several years and I thought it was worthy of a quick presentation um and then acknowledgment to our staff about what they're working on and it looks like achieving here all right and that would be for both B4 and B5 okay thank you so much I'm gonna give the floor to Chief Cochrane go ahead very good thank you madam mayor David Carr from Reno Fire Department uh good morning Vladimir city manager and council members so what we have before you today is first an amendment to the interlocal agreement that that we already entered into with the stage under the ground emergency medical transport program this program allows us to be reimbursed basically for the overhead costs the extra cost that we incur in providing services to Medicaid trans or Medicaid patients like I said the first contract is the amendment to the existing agreement because our expected reimbursement amount exceeds the amount identified in the contract we anticipated around 1.3 it's now going to be 3.3 million the contract had a limit of 1.7 so this allows us to recover the full amount of the reimbursement the second item B5 is simply the next contract since we were bringing the item before you it was the same subject for both contracts it needed to be renewed in June rather than wait four months and come back with the same item we were just bringing both items together since they are on the same topic you'll see the second contract has a substantially higher expected limitation because we expect our reimbursement to be substantially higher as well we have recovered for FY 20 approximately 650 000 been reimbursed as a better term uh we're expecting 3.3 million for FY 21 and we have a claim for FY 22 that is currently in the audit process we do not have an estimate yet from the state on what the recovery amount will be so we are waiting for that we do expect that recovery to be paid out later this year um but let me rephrase that next fiscal year which will be after July 1 of this year so this calendar year but next fiscal year so that is what we have going on and I would be happy to entertain any questions thank you for pulling the item in for the kind words councilwoman door yeah thank you um thank you for presenting I know that we discussed this several years ago and it's taken quite a while for I think the reimbursement process to catch up but I wanted to commend you and your staff for looking for alternate sources of funding you know we have been so tight on funding for fire in particular uh police in particular so doing this and being creative I mean this is a job a service so we're providing already and I understand that remsa cannot qualify for these reimbursements because they are not a government or a division of government they're a non-profit um and so I just could you just speak to that for a moment yes absolutely and you're exactly right this has been pending for a while as you as I said the first claim is actually dating back to fy20 these are for services that we've been providing it's worth noting that we have a mutual Aid agreement with Rems of Ford transport uh that's been in effect since 2016. so this is nothing new in terms of the service we're providing but we've finally qualified for these reimbursements and yes the gemt program is limited to governmental agencies so a private Ambulance Service like remza like AMR in southern Nevada cannot and will not qualify for this but um yet and the last point we do recognize that you know looking for alternative funding sources is the accounts of priority as is Public Safety and this is a a wonderful marriage of the two okay well thank you thank you madam mayor all right you're welcome thank you all right councilman breakfast I'm going to start with you thank you madam mayor yeah I uh pulled this um Amendment or the last item that was related on our last meeting I had quite a bit of discussion and you know I had asked that this come as a presented program as its own Standalone Department item little did I know we were gonna have two more consented items including a multi-year 20 million dollar contract agreement the very next meeting um and I still have a lot of questions I wish we had taken this as a department item with presentation but it's good to see you Chief because it's been a while um that since you've been been available um number one question on this is uh prior to when I started in 2012 the prior council did a series of layoffs to our fire department 2015 or so this Council was asked to do layoffs too so they're not that Pat in the past how did the collective bargaining agreements um treat that if layoffs happen by the council and have to happen by the council for economic purposes how do the paramedics blend in with the firefighter ranks now you're talking about a different Pro the single role medic program which is yes yeah we have a new new complement of Staff people in the fire department we haven't had in 120 years of having a fire department say the city has to reduce Force I'm trying to understand these are the questions I've been wanting to know about this program how do the collective bargaining agreements deal with them okay is it a management decision to say we're going to cut three paramedics and 12 firefighters or does the firefighter the provision have some preference for firefighters that they that the paramedics all go before all the firefighters regardless of seniority if it's not with you I see Mrs Atkinson here she's with HR department maybe she knows um but I really want to understand how this new complement of staff is integrated into the CBA okay I'm just reiterating that that is a different issue than the agenda item that's before us today I've been unable to get the agenda item before and not only that in November when I asked to meet with you that day you declined a meeting with me and these are the sort of things that I wanted to ask you about so you won't meet with me I won't get a presentation I'm going to ask these questions to help me make the decisions on this consent on him thank you I understand so the did you want to interject coming up uh Jill Atkinson interim Director of Human Resources for the record so the distinction that happens here with the interim Director of Human Resources correct okay see a lot of people coming a lot of people going don't hear a lot so nobody's left you received a memo that miss santoyo is the interim director of parks and rec while we search oh okay okay did not know that yes did not see that thank you so to help provide some clarity around your question council member breckis um the single rule paramedics are a distinct classification from our firefighter sure so in the instance where there is a reduction in force seniority is based upon length of service and classification and so if the decision is made to reduce single paramedics that is the classification that would be impacted whereas if the decision is made to reduce Force as it relates to firefighters that is the classification that would be reduced the two don't intermingle because they are distinct functionalities within the organization and don't require the same skill sets sure so management rights are preserved to decide among the resources okay thank you now my next question about this program okay I'm gonna cut you off Okay one minute okay I will come back to you I just want to make sure if we have any other questions from Council so we can give equal times all right um Calvin Martinez you have any questions for chief Cochrane I don't thank you so much all right councilman Taylor nothing vice mayor Reese thank you madam mayor Chief Cochran thank you for the presentation um I I get to meet with you frequently and so I I know that the care that you take with not only the policy directions that the Department's taking but also with the long-range planning so I suppose the questions for me sent her around two things one is the gemt program just broadly I think that since probably now two years you have had a vision for this program that Vision perhaps was ahead of us because you had a knowledge that we didn't yet have and you also saw something on the horizon which we did not see which was the changes in the reimbursement rates from the federal government through this program so thank you for being a leader and and sort of having a vision to get us to where we are you also I think at that time had a vision for the type of transport need that we had which was a little unique in our organization so we spent a lot of time talking about the way in which Medical Transport was different than our historical experience how it interacted with our franchise agreement and also a I think you had an excellent vision for the way in which our apparatus and our employees were being deployed in a way that was not strategic meaning the way in which we were rolling sort of medical calls out with the whole fire crew put that crew out on the roads wear and tear on the vehicles wear and tear on the roads wear and tear on our people where we might be in a better position to deploy more strategically with the smaller transport Vehicles so thank you for that because I think it sometimes is easy to overlook in the minutia of what we do that you are also running an apartment that has you know nearly 300 people in it stations all across the city so thank you for all of that I suppose I would like to just understand broadly the gemt program this reimbursement rate was significantly more than we anticipated so why did that happen so thank you for the comments and if I could add one item before I get to the GMT question and because we had the conversation to write a couple of years ago and really this is driven not by the GMT and reimbursement certainly that provides the funding which is critical because we need funding for everything we do but it's really getting those resources the right resource to the right call at the right time reducing the wear and tear not just on our equipment but on our firefighters and and that's really the win here and the fact we found this funding source to support that win is what makes it all go forward so the GMT if I could kind of broadly and if you want to get into the leads I have Aaron weik here who can give you you know the nuts and bolts of the reimbursement calculation but looking at it broadly it's kind of intended to cover the overhead of you know what we incur as a cost regardless of how many patients that how many Medicaid patients that we treat because they recognize they being Medicaid that the reimbursement rate for transport doesn't fully reimburse for all the cost return occurring the fact is that we've increased the number of transports that we're doing which you know not coincidentally increase the number of Medicaid transports our overhead being a large Department you mentioned how large we are translate the higher dollar overhead the higher dollar budget really translates into that higher re uh recovery rate and so as you increase the transports that's married to the overall budget let me restate that the EMS budget the overall EMS budget that we have and that's how the transport rate is calculated all right Chief I first of all congratulations this has been a few years and you've worked really really hard to get to this point so um I'm thrilled and I'm thrilled for you in the department because I know that it means a lot um and maybe just sort of explain a little bit more in layman's terms of why um this is so important um I mean you just talked about the reimbursement but like can you explain a little bit more so that the general public can sort of understand because we use all these sort of fancy terms gemt and and things like that so can you just kind of tell us a little bit yeah I would love to um and I talked a little bit to the management team earlier this week about this same thing you know we have our call volume continues to go up we were we ran just under 50 000 calls this year we have essentially the same amount of people um and to mitigate that the impact of that call volume what we need is because of course more people but more apparatus out on the street and getting like I said the right apparatus to that call do we need to send a million and a half dollar ladder truck with four firefighters to a call that really requires two paramedics on an ambulance no that that's not the best use of resources this program is going to allow us to achieve that best use of resources at best practice getting the right resource to the call not only does it get the right resource to the call of course now you have that truck available so if there is a fire there's a rescue some sort of technical emergency they're available to do the thing that they have the higher training for it goes for the trucks and the engines yeah fantastic that's thank you so much and I also appreciate your constant communication with me um very very appreciative so as I get everything I need and want you to know that um I'm very grateful for all the hard work you put in and like I said this has been a long time coming so great great job all right councilwoman better mayor yeah thank you I just had one follow-up and that is um Chief if you could explain you've done a great job explaining everything but to the point that you were just making last about the right person to respond and then we're starting to hire Standalone paramedics that are not firefighters could she just explain that and where we are in that process yes absolutely so and I don't think I mentioned that so thank you for the question the the Standalone Medics will be Staffing these two-person ambulances they are non-suppression meaning they're not firefighters they will work side by side with the firefighters be in the stations with the firefighters but they are not trained or nor do they will they respond as firefighters the advantage there again is that you don't need the full breadth of training that the firefighters go through to respond appropriately to these calls it also allows us to get these individuals on the street and working for the city quicker where we just closed the hiring process we're going to be doing interviews in the coming weeks probably next couple weeks we're going to onboard them in late February I think February 24 is the day that we're targeting after an onboarding process a training and a familiarization process they'll basically be up and running by the end of March so with a three-week onboarding process roughly we're going to get six new people out there delivering service and needed service to the city whereas the firefighters who are also on boarding on February 24th the next recruit class they could they go through a 19-week Academy so in terms of the expeditious nature nature and the fiscal responsibility components of this we're getting more resources into the system quicker which helped us all okay so six people in three months is what I'm hearing that are specifically paramedics and are you going to deploy them sort of north-south and Central they will work a shift schedule like the firefighter so they'll be two on each day initially um I anticipate that this is something we'll want to look at in the future in terms of the program that we may want to expand because of the reimbursement rate providing its own funding and the success which I anticipate it will have the initial deployment they'll be stationed out of station Department of redundancy Department they'll be deployed out of station three because that's a very busy District we want to take some of the workload off of engine 3 and truck three and then as we expand we'll look at those just what you proposed kind of a north-south East-West concept foreign councilwoman oh I'm complete thank you so much okay thank you all right councilman Ebert nothing okay I'm going to send it right back to councilman breakfast yeah thank you madam mayor I have so many questions good conversation um so when we first embarked upon this first interlocal about 18 months ago remsa sent a letter they're the franchisee for ambulance transport said not crazy about it but we're okay with it because we're not eligible for this reimbursement now we've really re-upped the dollars and reconfigured the years out um is this making uh remzel obsolete or how much of a chunk of business will this 20 million take out of the business that they do the let me just to be clear that 20 million is the allowable recovery that's not necessarily the recovery that we will get um what we do with remsa is very collaborative with meeting with them every month um and what we've done is provided or hold out ourselves as a resource for them so no we'll not make them obsolete in fact we've been very clear I know I've been clear in this room and I've been very clear with remza our goal is not to take over transport in Reno or the trucking Meadows or anything like that but to provide that additional resource so that when ramza gets stretched in or they don't have the resources to respond that we can pick up the slack there and provide that resource and the example I always go back to I think it was 2015 when it happened we had Engine 4 stuck on a scene with the non-emergent patient but remza didn't have a resource available and I think they were on scene for almost 40 minutes they couldn't leave the patient of course but Ramsey did not have a resource available so that prompted me to reach out to Remsen and say look let us help in that situation so that where it doesn't make fiscal sense necessarily for you remsa to have an additional ambulance on the street we can pick up that slack we'll do the transport like I said we're not trying to take over transport in the city but we want to be a resource a depth or to provide that depth of resources for the city and really forward the citizens yeah okay so you know you had a delay but how do you know that was a Medicaid eligible person and how are you going to vet these people for Medicare eligibility and are you going to leave the City of Reno um proper what if someone goes to Northern you know the the hospital in Sparks and what do you do with Medicare people who are tourists from California or somewhere so we never happen never will vet them based on the ability to pay we treat everybody who has an emergency the same we provide them the best service possible and that was my point with councilman Reese is that this really was not driven by g-e-n-t or the reimbursement this was driven by the ability to provide service to make that to free up that engine so that they could be available to provide the transport to the citizens so that they're not because you know while we have an engine on scene there's a patient on scene too we need to get that patient to the help they need okay so you're not going to be saying oh this is an older person they're probably Medicare uh you know let's let's let um we have policies for that okay and then what about The Californians are swinging out of the corporate limits anybody who calls for service in Reno gets full service of the Arena fire department okay and then you know dispatch has always been an issue and I'm trying to understand how dispatch is going to work with this and if we are giving up some of what I've heard for 10 years our dispatch is the strongest and um you know we want remsa to fold into us we carry the book of emergency responses all around the region and how's dispatch integrating with with this are you relying upon them to dispatch you or are you dispatching them no our dispatch is the strongest I have no compunction saying that I think they're the best Dispatchers in the region this really doesn't impact them these are the same calls we're going to regardless we're just sending a different resource to these calls and yes we made transport but the impact of a transport on dispatch is negligible okay and then I made one more question okay say three minutes okay let me just check again with everyone else so everyone gets equal time and then I'll get back to you okay councilman Martinez you're good okay councilman Taylor vice mayor thank you madam mayor I wanted to ask about the two-tier system for EMS so um as my understanding is that once the dispatch occurs then they at the dispatch location decide which tier it falls into is that accurate yes and um if it requires our response we have fire they send us and then they'll send the caller to remsa and then remzel will dispatch remsey units not Reno fire units okay so that makes some sense to me is that then determinative of the reimbursement rate or it only happens once the transport has occurred no the dispatch is has no connection to the reimbursement rate other than whatever cost factors are included as part of our EMS budget okay the second thing is in the single role Paramedic program who um do we already have folks who want to staff that type of an apparatus meaning we have folks who are saying hey I'm interested in that or are we going to have to bring in a whole new sort of cohort of persons so as director Atkinson described we are hiring a new classification of person that is a single role of Medics that's the non-suppression Personnel that will be Staffing this apparatus having said that like anybody any other employee they have the ability to take vacation or if they're off sick so we will be backstopping that with our firefighters um on an overtime basis well so I wanted to ask is the Hope though somewhere in this program uh perhaps unsaid but worth mentioning is that a person starts out in the single role paramedic job and this is the training ground for someone who might move into fire service meaning we're trying to reconceptualize the way in which we recruit people into the service of the city and sometimes people don't see themselves immediately as a firefighter so they start in a different route sometimes they work on remsa and a lot of folks from remsa then transition into fire service it's a great thing I think is this an opportunity for us as a city it absolutely is um you know I I haven't published it but I I make no bones about it this is a recruiting tool I'm looking forward to having these people work next to our firefighters engaging the system integrating in the system you know it's almost like a long interview process um and I think it's going to be a great opportunity to enhance the service um of the firefighters as well okay thank you Chief all right councilman Doer I have nothing more thank you I I really appreciate all the answers to these discussion points thanks thank you councilman Ebert you have any questions um I'll go to Council on breakfast and then we'll come back to you sound good yeah okay Council on breakfast go ahead yeah I have three right now so number one along with what Mr Reese say said say you have a paramedic who's two years in and they want to go become a firefighter how does the collective bargaining agreement deal with that do they have to resign do we have a vacancy there do we pay for them to go to academy I mean how are we going to do that is that outlined in the CBA it's not a CBA question it's a civil service question so they would apply to the regular process um to the before the firefighter position um as a paramedic they do have the ability and that's not just our single role Medics any paramedical applies has the ability to get on a selected selectively certified list so it gives them an advantage in terms of getting into the interview process we of course would have the experience with them were they to make it through the regular Civil Service process but this does not circumvent that process would they have to resign as a paramedic to attend that period of the academy how would you work with that do you have discretion because they would okay yeah because they can't you can't do both okay next one is you know it's always from the patient perspective okay say I'm someone who gets transported okay um and maybe I'm Medicare eligible or someone do I get a bill from the City of Reno you do we have a billing service that we build there the insurance or Medicaid as appropriate only we don't okay um okay so we're pretty far into this and this is the first time I hear that our constituents are going to be getting bills from the City of Reno and I think that's material I hear from my constituents a whole lot whether it's sewer bill police alarm bills or so on and this is part of my reason for wanting to flush this out what is the amount that someone could get a bill from the city of brain L4 we have a our billing rates on file with the state and I don't have the dollar figure off the top of my head but I can provide that to you okay um this has been going on for a number of years it's not this is not a new thing I'd like to see a copy of the bill that's been sent out to understand you know what it looks like when my elderly Ward won you know constituent goes into afib and you know they're being transported and how that kind of experiences out for them I'm not that versed in Medicare so I don't know but you're only going to be sending it to people who are signed up for Medicare correct no we are we provide the exact same service to whoever calls for service in the City of Reno we don't vet them based on their ability to pay so everyone gets a bill who everybody who's transported okay so if I'm not Medicare because I'm not I'm not old enough but I presume we're also doing Medicaid right which is disabled folks okay so I'm not I'm neither I get a transport I get a bill from the City of Reno much like they would from remsa so do I have to pay you we build the insurance we don't see reimbursement above what is covered by Insurance Medicaid or Medicare okay so I'm a ward one constituent I'm transported I get a bill from the City of Reno and my insurance company will take care of that or presumably that's the determination that our billing company will make um if they can't then we don't pursue that what if I am a an insured person I'm gonna come back to you okay thank you a few minutes um councilwoman Ebert yeah I don't I don't have any questions yet okay all right thank you so much I'm actually um city manager would you want to weigh in on that I I want everyone to understand because I think the way that it was framed where people might perceive that all of a sudden you're just now going to start to get a bill so let's talk about that because I don't want there to be any misconceptions sure I think I need to clarify that for the record two things that um maybe the chief can can speak to just to make sure that we're completely clear on on what's Happening Here so number one chief for how long uh has Reno fire transported in cases where remsa doesn't have uh perhaps available or otherwise sufficient resources to make the transport of a patient in need of getting to a hospital so we've had a mutual Aid agreement with remza back dating back to 2016 I think September of 2016. so six plus years that we've been doing this okay and so that program of course does um authorize you to seek payment in the form of billing and we have a third party biller but we don't what I hear you saying is we don't balance bill so if Medicaid or Medicare or an insurance company has some benefit that is available to pay the cost of Transport we collect it beyond that we do not seek reimbursement for parties who are transported by renofire that's exactly right and if they don't have the ability to pay um we don't that doesn't change the equation we don't take reimbursement and when did the organization enter into its first agreement to seek reimbursement through the gemt program fiscal year 20 was the first application that we submitted so correct me if I'm wrong Aaron I think it'll be 2019. I'm sorry Aaron white admin services manager for the fire department um for clarification we actually entered the agreement in 2022 but it was retroactive to fy19 and we submitted our first one for f-119 last year our fy20 last year I'm sorry and if I understand the specifics of the gemt program correctly rather than billing against the prescribed rate for Medicare Medicaid Insurance it is a federal subsidy for the overhead that goes into providing that EMS service which is of course different than what the market would bear in a billing scenario is that correct yes all right thank you so much I appreciate that all right vice mayor Madam mayor I'm prepared to make connection all right we have done so you're going to make a note are you ready for a motion all right thank you so much Madam mayor I move to approve staff recommendation as to item B4 all right thank you so I have a motion from I'll second thank you so much I have a motion from councilman Reese I have a second from councilwoman duer all those no matter mayor I've oh man hold on go ahead wait wait wait one second we're trying to figure out so after that do we have to put it here okay I would here okay here we go all right I'm just trying to balance it out to make sure that everyone can see it up here so hold on councilman practice where do we go to all right so I have a motion and I at a second I'm going to send it to councilwoman breakfast for discussion and I believe that is one minute yeah Okay one minute counting I'll I'll let her count it go back and count the minute down because I certainly you know need to stay within time frames that we put on these issues so um while she's doing that um I feel like I'm pulling teeth to understand this I feel like I'm pulling teeth to let the public know what's going on and I still have outstanding questions I'm getting a little more information I'm sure if you come in to amend this thing another time put it on good sand I'll pull it again and maybe another half hour questions will get us there but the questions I have that still exist are if I'm uninsured and I'm transported you know I know I'm not paying for the firefighter who's turning off my oven and you know throwing out my oil on the pan but this other fire person in a Reno firefighter uniform as I see it you know is transporting me is gonna get me a bill I'm not Medicare I'm not insured maybe I'm underinsured I don't know and then a third party will bill for the City of Reno and I'll Never See collection so I'll never get even if it's that little Bill that says we're going to we don't get a comment it's only you don't get an answer when we're doing that discussion with staff is done when it votes on the table that is what I don't understand medical bills are scary they're scary to everyone they come in threatening I don't understand that I also don't understand how in the Medicare world you know which is Congressional you know obligated and decisions at the state level how secure this program is I don't see it as this cure funding source thank you thank you so I'll be your veteran now all right thank you so much appreciate shaded all right so I have a motion in a second all those in favor say aye aye all those advice all right motion yeah I said I oh so where are we doing it's not coming up for me yeah mine is not hold on [Music] [Music] does it take that long every time okay then it goes away okay all those in favor say aye aye motion carries okay Madam mayor as to item B5 I'm prepared to make a motion second all right I have a motion from councilman Reese and a second from councilwoman doer all those in favor say aye aye aye aye all those opposed nay motion carries okay is it working thank you so much Chief and congratulations all right Madam clerk I'm going to send it right back to you and just kind of direct me when you need me to slow down so that we can make sure that we stay on top of the technology all right Madame mayor we're moving on to our department item so we're on item D1 so that's d as in David one which is an approval of amendment of contract with court construction all right at this time Madame Clark do you have any public comment on this item Adam mayor we have no public comment registered for this item additionally we did not receive any correspondence okay thank you so much I appreciate it all right I'm going to send it to staff go ahead the floor is yours morning Madam mayor and council members I'm Justin George senior civil engineer for Public Works I'm very excited to bring item D2 D1 to you today this is another major milestone for this Monumental project once again it's time to celebrate through the direction of this Council and due to a lot of hard work from our team I'm happy to present the Final Phase of construction for the Moana Springs Community Aquatics and fitness center I have a short presentation to review the project scope schedule budget and highlight how this cancels planning and strategy will provide an amazing Aquatics and fitness center with the depth and variety to serve all areno's constituency let's begin with a dive off the starting blocks and a little warm up on how we got to where we are today the project delivery method we are using is construction manager at risk with this method we select a contractor based on their qualifications rather than on a low bid Core Construction was selected as our construction manager at risk core was incorporated into our team of Staff architect and civil engineering Consultants early in the design project design process and core's early involvement in this project has yielded many benefits some of those include providing valuable feedback to The Design Consultants quality assurance estimating and construction scheduling recommendations this feedback led us to splitting the project into two phases to keep the project on Pace for a summer 2024 opening just seven months ago we brought you phase one of construction for award to core well they've been busy with the horizontal work to get this site ready and prepped for vertical construction as you can see in this image here the parking lot improvements are nearly complete and the red line to the right side of this image shows where the utility Corridor is located the utilities will be brought on site underground at this location while this image is up I wanted to touch on some of the sustainability efforts incorporated into this project there's a grouping of mature trees that have been preserved in the Park area on site and the plan is to include infrastructure to capitalize on electric vehicle charging stations solar and nearby geothermal opportunities I would like to give a shout out to Senator Cortez masto and Senator Rosen for securing 800 000 of federal funding for a rooftop solar array which will be installed under a separate contract our team took a deep plunge to finalize the design of the building and pools that design was completed in November and core put that out to bid as the second and Final Phase of construction the image on the slide is an aerial rendering of the finished site Phase 2 includes the pools and building at the bottom of the surrendering by the way that red line represents the roof of the building we've gotten comments that this image is a little misleading as it kind of looks like we're building three outdoor pools rest assured there are there's a roof on the building and the two pools in the middle you see there are are on indoors just for reference phase one includes all the improvements beyond that so construction of the parking lot sidewalks driveways utilities and Landscaping all right so let's do a deep dive into the features of this exciting facility this image is of the 50 meter pool Natatorium this will be a regional draw for competition Fitness and other uses this pool will provide swimming in either a long course or short course configuration so the long course is the Olympic length 50 meter and the short course is 25 yards long not only will this pool accommodate swimming but also water polo and Diving there will be a pair of one meter and three meter diving boards the other side of this facility is set up for fun and it's packed full of features for multiple uses here you have three different kinds of pools and one body of water there will be a resistance pool or Lazy River seen on the right side of this image a zero depth entry section in the middle that includes lots of play Splash features and on the left is a multi-use pool section this section of the pool will accommodate play lessons lap swimming and one of my favorite features a water slide that's just outside of the frame of this image though so we weren't able to incorporate in this uh this slideshow sinking into the outdoor soaking pool you'll find an atmosphere that creates an Ambiance for relaxation away from the action of the competition pool or excitement of the recreation pool so here's an update on the overall project schedule the silver and gold Arrow shows where where we are today on the timeline as stated earlier core's recommendation was to split the project and took two construction phases the Civil site design was complete in May of 2022 corbid phase one for the site work improvements in June and broke ground in August right after the contract was awarded this lined up perfectly with completion of the phase two architectural design for the building and pools in November of 2022. Corbett phase two in December and is ready to begin vertical construction as we thought from this cold and wet winter so due to the hard work of our team we're still on Pace for that summer 2024 opening so splitting the project into phases is kind of like swim in a medley relay race individual aspects of the design and contractor team are swimming down their respective Lanes to touch the wall and send their teammates racing towards the finish line this is a fun little graphic showing the project budget as our team completes the relay race each line of the put of the Budget Pool indicates where monies have been budgeted the budget categories on the left include design construction and soft costs the swimmers in each lane depict how much has been allocated today for the construction team the total cost is 46 million seven hundred and sixteen thousand and six hundred and fifty dollars the phase phase one lane leg was for 12 million and the phase two leg which is what we're here for today is 34 million six hundred fifty two thousand and twenty one dollars the teams for furniture fixtures and equipment along with public art are still on their starting blocks with the delayed start until later this year or early next year when we get further in construction so I wanted to take a little different approach with this next one public art so because public art has a little extra spring in their step we're following the city's public art procurement process and our climbing the diving board ladder with the arts and culture team to create a vibrant public Space by incorporating some nice artwork into this project so flipping back to the finances we've got three pools of funding for this project nine million dollars was graciously pledged by the William men Pennington Foundation 27 million dollars is coming from the general obligation bonds and due to the fiscal responsibility of this Council the remaining 16 million dollars is coming from cash on hand foreign for the final round of my presentation I want to remind everybody that we have a really cool website moinesprings.com that is full of information to keep up to date with this project it was launched in July and has received over 3 000 hits what you can find on this website are some background information on the project the neat renderings used in this presentation monthly construction updates and a live video stream to view the current construction activities on site so I encourage everyone to visit moanasprings.com presentation thank you for your time um okay I'm gonna bring it back to the body for questions I'm going to start with you councilman beckus man okay councilman Martinez councilman Taylor great job thank you so much I loved the little innuendos yeah I was listening I know I felt like I was listening to sort of like an Airbnb ad I loved it it was very enticing all right vice mayor Reese thank you madam mayor and I'll be brief first of all the presentation with swim pressive right uh core is obviously doing swimmingly at this facility and you all are obviously using your noodle so good job on all those things um look this is a big day I think for the city each time that this comes to council I think it gives us the opportunity to briefly pause and uh just reflect about the importance of this particular pool as a touchstone not only the community historically but really about where we as a city are going this is the first pool investment in my lifetime and I think as I've said before I learned to swim at the Moana pool I had a really interesting conversation yesterday with Matt brzena and the Washoe County School District about the ways in which our two CIP budgets really ought to be finding ways to work together because I do think that pools number one this shouldn't be the last poll that we plan it's the first and I think it's important that we capture the opportunities where we can with our various agencies whether it be the county or the city of Sparks Washoe County and us because these are really Community Resources and so it it behooves us all just to really I think look towards the future right and and ultimately I think that's what this um your reference to the Moana Springs website they had an update of course in December and I have tried to share those updates with constituents who have asked about it because people were very excited about it and again I think part of this is due to the hard work that the staff has put in our finance team did an amazing job of identifying the various pools and buckets from which to finance the project and so it just would be I would be remiss I think if I didn't reflect on the the great work that you and your team are doing that our finance team has done and it really I think just speaks volumes about you know our olympic size aspirations for a region so I'm excited about today I also noticed from the um first photo that you put up and I'm sure councilmember Dewar would have more to say about this but you know making sure that we were able to save those mature trees I think is also a very wide choice and and one that I think uh you know our Earth and our trees will be thankful to have happen um art Forester of course I assume is going to join us in doing the groundbreaking and swimming in the pool do you know what kind of trunks he would wear he would wear tree trunks so thank you for the opportunity Mr George appreciate it certainly you are drowning in lots of no punishment in lots of funds all right Council woman doer go ahead yeah thank you um and thanks councilmember Reese um you did a great job I will not repeat all the accolades and points that you made I just really appreciate you making them for the record um I too though wanted to point out the uh the fun presentation uh with both the anecdotes the acronyms and the puns it was very fun um I also wanted to compliment you about splitting the project and doing this um and and I want to use the right term construction manager at risk is that correct that's correct yes and I think this is our first project where we're using this yes style of construction so we do the design um plan build if I got it right but anyway it's it's a new way of doing business for us it looks like it's proving out to be both effective and cost savings I'm thrilled that we still are going to be able to make our summer 2024 deadline um I know it slipped a few months but understand about the installation of the utilities I think is one of the challenges right now but anyway I just wanted to thank you all for doing a great job and I can't can't wait to give it a give it a swim thank you thank you oh man wait hold on hold on one second councilwomaniebert okay councilman Ruckus yeah and I did I this occurred to me and now I'm the liaison to the arts and culture commission and you did mention the public art so I thought maybe I'd get a little more informed so you said the arts and culture commission um and I need to go back and read that ordinance or no the the staff is going to come up with a suggestive concept for how to um deploy that not reserved nine hundred thousand dollars I think it was yeah correct we had the 700 000 allocated for public art and we're working with our arts and culture team on how to best approach that um what we're looking at right now is is putting out a call to artists to get somebody involved that way we can we can get them working on how to best provide art for this facility yeah I mean I'm trying to conceptualize you know um like a 700 000 sculpture in the parking lot for example versus 20 pieces around the wall like who makes that call because you need that kind of detail I would presume in the scope and if you're not informed enough let me know I'll ask the manager to let me um maybe the arts and culture commission has this as a topic they they didn't meet in January so they should be meeting soon do you know who how it gets narrowed down so this is something we're working internally with our okay culture team on and we've been um thinking about public art all along where where it fits in the facility and one of the the processes we're going to be looking at is working with the artist to identify where public art is going to go it may not be one location it may be several locations throughout the building or the site where where Art's going to be incorporated but that's the process we're going to go through it's going to have to be identified once we get further down that road okay well here's my thought on that and and I have not wanted to be on the arts and culture liaison because I really I don't want to be picking Art myself in this role we have to make decisions all every twice a month you know we make a lot of big decisions and I'm gonna let someone else make decisions about art but um having said that I think that the concept of How It's allocated you know can't step over this Bodyguard the arts and culture commission from uh you know staff having the concepts to talking to artists who might be vendors it needs to go to the council and it needs to go to the Arts commission probably in reverse order to the Arts commission here's how we're thinking what's your input and then back to the Council on an item like this and then start talking with Arts who are going to be vendors you know they're not you know that's how I presume they are so that's just my thought um I'm new to this I'm willing to be educated otherwise and I will re read the um ordinance and okay all right we'll we'll work with arts and culture okay okay thanks thanks um thank you madam mayor hold on one second um Council Enduro I'll come to you in one second I think councilwoman breakfast brings up a really good point um this is just me personally I'd like to see it spread throughout so it's not just it comes to the council with one big sculpture right that's just my feeling but also I think she makes a good point sometimes I think what happens at arts and culture is they're there making decisions they pick an artist and also there's sort of this belief that okay this artist you know now believes they are the selected artist it comes to council and then we vote on it and they can't really back it up so before we even get to that point it really does need to come to the council to have that discussion I think that's really important so I think councilman breakfast makes um some good Arguments for that and just kind of giving you a little bit of um I think where the direction we want to go so that we have the ability to shape the process or just kind of because I got to be honest with you there's a lot of times art comes before us and honestly I have heartburn over it so I don't want that to be the case and then we can't back it up because they've already made the decisions at arts and culture so I think councilwoman Ruckus makes a you know strong argument there I also would like you to explain and maybe it's the city manager I don't know but explain to the public because you know whenever I look up there and I'm like oh that's a lot of money for art right but I want you to explain to the public why that is and the requirement it's not that the council was like hey we need this much so I you know I just I think there should be some clarity there so if you can provide that or the city manager that would be fantastic certainly I can give that the how we got to the figures that we have um with all our bar capital projects anything involving the the public funds we have to take a chunk of that two percent of a major Capital project is set aside for incorporating public art into our facilities and throughout the city yeah yeah thank you so much for that and do you have any idea when that was incorporated I do know does anyone 2002 okay see I'm sorry um so just for the Public's knowledge 2002 that was implemented as an ordinance to make sure that two percent of Art in every project that we do at the City of Reno is implemented correct okay all right Madam mayor go ahead or vice mayor Reese well I just was going to add on to your uh excellent analysis simply that if you look around the community and you see art uh along the freeway or uh in places you might otherwise not anticipating seeing art that's an element of the similar program but at the state level right lots of States municipalities have art ordinances that require a certain provision of or a certain percentage of Public Works projects to include a public art component to it because we know that it beautifies the city it makes it attractive to those of us who live here art has that intrinsic value and that I think is why prior lawmakers and legislative bodies have included that type of art programming in all the things that we do you see it for us for example council member Martinez and I were this morning on that Capital project surcharge subcommittee and there's new art coming to the National bowling stadium and again it wasn't because because councilmember Martinez and I are are huge artists and you know our picassos ourself but it was because it is an element of the requirement for the projects that we bid and build and so it's a very exciting thing for our city to have and for our state to have made that commitment to public art even some art which I don't necessarily you know find attractive for me I see its value in art being everywhere yeah thank you I am I too wanted to support councilwoman breakfast's point and the reason being and I think it's been alluded to is that this is 700 000 this is probably our biggest investment in art even with the Virginia Street Bridge it was 18 million dollar project roughly this is you know 46 million so far um so it's it's twice as big as the Virginia Street bridge and um so the largest investment probably in art that we've made uh I'd like to see uh from the staff where we can place that art it doesn't have to be on the millennial pool site could it be on the Moana Springs Park which is bigger includes the soccer fields it includes baseball um and so on could it extend all the way to the fire station you know which is adjacent to this the complex the sports complex so um I too would like to see it started the commission the arts and culture commission come to the council was with some concepts of what we would like to endorse before going to the specifics so I just wanted to put a level of support to that process given that this would probably be our biggest investment of art to date thanks all right thank you Council endure anything councilman ever or okay so not like RCC well I'll raise the question that RTC um we've had a lot of conversation with them and I've felt we should broaden our ordinance to be very specific because it's kind of broad right now and it doesn't identify so people can make an argument that even though they're doing like an RTC project that is then handed over to the city they're doing it on our behalf I think they should follow for example our tree ordinance our art ordinance but um it's been sort of out a question that's been outstanding yeah and that was my question because you know we have these art installations on the freeway and things like that I was just curious how that tied together date does they also have a requirement I don't know how much but they have one too okay so the difference but we are different not totally tired of this just yeah okay thank you thank you any any more questions from Council councilman Rebecca nope I'm ready to make a motion if you're ready to receive one okay um hold on one second Madam clerk are you ready for a motion all right thank you so much I'm going to send it to you councilwoman breakfast go right ahead oh lost um it said move to approve the amendment I think was the how I think it said move to approve the amendment of the contract with core and the rest of what's written there oh mine's on oh move to approve the amendment of the contract with Core Construction okay I have a motion from councilwoman breckis I have a second second councilman Martinez oh my bad oh sorry it wasn't there we go okay all those in favor say aye aye aye all those opposed motion carries unanimously Yay good job stress it all did you no I thought you did great thank you so much congratulations and um it was unanimous so even better okay Madam clerk all right Madame mayor on item D2 which is a presentation from John Francis okay this and Madame mayor for the record we do have a public comment on this item I'm gonna send it to you in one second okay so Mr flansburg you are going to give us a presentation but before we do that I'm going to go into public comment um our first commenter today is Dan Morgan Dan Morgan on behalf of the Builders Association all right fantastic come on up the floor is yours sir good morning madamer and members of the council I appreciate the opportunity to speak I want to begin my comments with thanking the city manager and Mr flansburg and Miss Garcia for their willingness to have these discussions and discuss a number of issues that we found in the proposed restructuring of sewer connection fees first I want to I'm just going to point out a few things just to bring them to your attention I know John is going to address a number of one of them in his comments but first we want to point out a couple of things in his establishment of a baseline for the connection fees and the modeling and the pro forumas it's to our understanding and what we've been able to obtain from the study was it's based on 2021 permits and absorption of single-family homes and multi-family I can tell you with a significant degree of assurity that we will probably not see the market returned in the single family and multi-family markets return to those levels for probably at least two or three years we're projecting about a 50 reduction in permits in 2023 for our members the protect projections also take into account and propose a 31 fixture unit threshold at as it stands today nearly every single single-family home development in the City of Reno we surveyed 12 of them and took a look in a review at the number of fixtures they had in their smallest square footage homes and on average they ranged between 36 and 40 fixtures this would result in effectively an additional 2865 to 5157 additional fee over and above the initial connection fee resulting in nearly a tripling of the sewer connection fee we would also like to ask the staff and Council to take a look at the possibility of extending the connection fee payment until CFO as the utility and the services not you being used at that time in addition we would like to recommend and assist in the reactivation of regularly scheduled sewer Enterprise fund meetings and the possibility of a creation of a sewer or a industry type committee that helps to assist in the monitoring of the infrastructure development and construction as well as the connection fees and the revenue that is coming into the fund um we are not and I want to make this very very clear for the record we are not opposed to increased sewer connection fees what we would like the opportunity to do is extend the timeline on this about 30 days to work further with staff to develop and and work through the modeling and the structure of the fees and the revenue so that we ultimately solve what has been a 20-year problem that could potentially be a 30-year problem so we can solve a combined 50-year problem once and for all and not coming back and revising time and time again and opening up chapter 12.16 in the code so I'll be happy to answer any other questions if anybody needs any additional detail again I can't thank the city staff enough for their cooperation on this thank you madam mayor nice job I really appreciate the feedback okay Mr flansburg it's all you good morning Madam mayor members of the council for the record John flansburg Regional infrastructure administrator I do have a presentation today so we'll get it going here quickly just want to say that my item is not near as flashy or splashy as Justin's Cannonball Cannonball right I think we should have a dive competition though when we open the pools all right so uh today I want to be clear I am not asking for any actions today on this item this is uh an item that was coming forward I want to cover a few items um as addressed in the previous meeting I want to clarify some of our current business practices and then present the items for future policy discussion so there was an item and this is would fall under our practices uh the capital Improvement project planning and so I think that we get confused sometimes Capital Improvement plan planning or projects or programs CIP with our Consumer Price Index CPI and those are are different and and not related items and so uh with this I want to decouple that conversation uh our process is staff and Consultants are looking at that long-range 20-year type plan and you'll notice in this graphic that 20 is kind of kind of fuzzy out there right because we're really looking at that long range making our best determination we get that through things like the facility plan at the at the wastewater treatment plants and then looking at our collection system the thing the items and pro and projects that come in the 20-year plan are then synthesized down into a five-year plan and that is where we work often on The Five-Year Plan we incorporate those projects from 20 20 years and we bring in some projects that come in that that may not have been anticipated that have come to our attention since then and from that we come into what we what would be our our annual budget process where we're looking out at the two-year maybe a three-year window and we're looking for both the funding this is when we actually fund the projects for Construction and design not to be confused though with Consumer Price Index and of course we've been hearing a lot about inflation because of the historic High inflation we've had fairly low conflation for years um but the the whole reason that we put a CPI Consumer Price Index is one it is a best practice for utility rate setting um we are just trying to maintain the base of what our funds were planned for both our operations and for the capital projects coming forward yes adjustments may go up or down we've mostly seen up there's been a few times we've seen something adjust slightly down but what this really does and the reason it's a best practice is it helps avoid having to do a large one-time increase so on our user fees for instance where we have Incorporated the the CPI the Consumer Price Index we brought that rate structure to the council in 2011. we have not and the rate structure had four years of where we had a four plus four so an eight percent rate increase to get us by 2015 where we needed to be beginning in 2015 and every year thereafter we've had a CPI adjustment and that's it so we have not had to bring back to Council on the user fee side a large increase based on the rates structure it went in in 2011. and so I just think that's important that's why it's a best management practice now one of the items that came up was the ability to adjust rates based on grants and so of course I do want to say that the council has the ability by ordinance to adjust the rates at any time currently there are some Community grants formerly known as earmarks that the City of Reno will be will be will benefit from there was a one million dollar award and I think I mentioned this last time for a septic to sewer conversion in Island eight there was a three million dollar Community grant for tomworth for a capital Improvement program at Tom Wharf Sparks was awarded that but of course as our partnership with Sparks in our community we will actually see a um you know a 2 million plus benefit of that three million dollars and again that will help the op one of the capital projects at tum Wharf will that project be strictly a user fee project or strictly a connection fee it'll actually be a combination the one I looked at with expanding our electrical infrastructure and finally there was a three million dollar award to tumwa for the advanced purified water facility Well of course we in in we are partners with tumble on that project so we will also benefit um there so the overall benefit to the City of Reno is probably closer in 5 million of those of those grants and they both have both user fee and connection fee applicability um on the screen here I talk about the bipartisan infrastructure law and we know that there is infrastructure dollars out there available we also know that um the majority of the money that's coming in through clean water and drinking water uh uh funding to the state is coming through the state revolving Loan Fund those are loans and so they will have to be paid back just like any other loan they do they they will be low interest loans this is different than money that was directed to the Bureau of Reclamation which was actually grants and so we are seeking grant money for them for the advanced purified water project for instance so here's some policy items that we would plan to bring back to council and I want to I'm going to pause here for just a second before I dive into this one we met with Dan uh Kayla Garcia and I met with Dan Morgan last Friday and we went through some of the items that they had and um one of the items that Dan brought up was uh or that he some of the ones that he brought up today were you know fixture unit counts um that was the uh um just concerns about needing to take some time we're going to have some code cleanup and so although I'm talking I'm going to start entering to items that would come back to council one of the things I do think we would also need to bring back to council is some additional work on 1216 within the code and there are a few code cleanup items that we could do one of those is with fixture units I'm going to cover that at the end of my presentation here but going forward the risworth allocation program one of the things that we're going to bring back to council is um we were going to be we will be requesting additional allocation of the program currently Council has approved 225 000 million gallons that's represented in this graph of the 195 dark blue that is currently allocated that has already been allocated projects there's 30 000 gallons um available uh that uh remaining and so we were going to be asking for some of that 275 000 that Still Still Remains within the flow shade project so that'll be coming back to council uh we would propose affordable housing subsidies our current program we don't have a cap on it and so we need it to be fiscally constrained um and just as a backdrop Council has awarded two and a half million dollars in uh connection fee subsidies and this current fiscal year and four and a half million census exception another item that we'll want to bring forward to council is the 1999 Washoe County interlocal agreement um Washoe County owns and operates the treatment plant the South Trucking Meadows facility when uh develop when something is developed in that area they will pay the Washoe County Connection fee City of Reno residents per the agreement that will that flow to stemworth they pay the cities uh sewer user fee and then we pass that fee on to Washoe County but we pass Washoe County's fee to them and just to put that in perspective Washoe County had a increase in their fee as of January 1st their fee is actually 74 cents per month higher than the Reno fee so effectively we are subsidizing now when Council first heard this item it was approved we had probably a thousand connections maybe probably in the hundreds but not but because it was way back in 1999. currently we have like 16 000 plus so it's a lot more connections down there a lot a lot more users and so in this item and some of the the reason we would want to bring this and have this discussion with you is if you're an owner and and you have a closed system like a sewer system the connection system that then flows to the plant having a shared owner the two owners may not have the same um uh objective or goals and so if I'm have the collection system and I've got a problem with water getting into my system and during storm events and and increasing flows I'm a as the collection system owner I mean I have the same goal of trying to fix that that the plant would want to have so they don't see those extra flows coming into the plant and so I I just think there's some items there and then of course it's the billing Administration we are creating we are creating extra work for ourselves because we're collecting fees from for Washoe County that we pass through to them Washoe County's collecting fees in our tumor sewer shed for us and billing and passing those through to us and so we'd like to clean up some of those items so those are just gives you gives you an idea what we're looking at our tum Wharf ownership agreement this was the last time we amended this agreement was in 1996. and so we've been operating under under this agreement things generally are are fine but there's a few things that we need to look at one of the items currently is Sparks is in need of additional capacity and so how we might be able to do that we'll want to take a look I do want to say that our Capital Improvement costs are shared by ownership Reno 68.63 Sparks 31.37 our maintenance and operation costs though are by flow and this is easier to happen at the trucking Meadows plant because there's a large Interceptor pipe that takes the flow from Sparks into the plant and a large Interceptor pipe that takes the flow from Reno into the plant and we have flow meters on there so we know how much flow is coming from each side so we split those costs proportionally on a monthly basis so if they're flowing 40 and we're flowing 60 percent we split those costs 60 40. so I want to be sure there is equity in how we do that and then finally um subject to sewer programs we've had some discussions on that staff is researching and and we'll look at Best Practices from other communities we want to bring that back to council we currently have about 1100 homes or so in between islands 8 and 18. um that we'd want to take a look at and see how best to do that Island eight um probably should have thrown a graphic up here where Island 8 is Island 8 is down off of Audi uh just to the northwest of Audi and 395 and a little quadrant in the Montello area and Island 18 of course is up off of West Plum Lane and so it is primarily south and west of Plum Lane to McCarran and then just to address the question I've talked about the fixture units I want to see if I can get the overhead I guess we can zoom out a little bit thank you that should be good um so there's a question about fixture units and how we calculated those um we used to consider a standard house at 26 fixture units that was your two bathroom type home now I could say three bedroom two bathroom home but the bedrooms doesn't don't count fixture units it's the bathrooms that do and so in a in your standard two bathroom home uh you're going to have a couple hand wash sinks in the bathroom you're going to have two toilets you're going to have two bathtub showers a bathtub or a shower or a combination you're going to have a residential laundry so that's eight fixture units your dishwasher your kitchen sink that adds up to 26. one of the items that we saw in the code because fixture units traditionally have only gone to our commercial industrial they actually charged four fixture units if you had a combination shower and bath that doesn't make sense to me you have one drain you're not going to be running both the bathtub and the shower simultaneously and and you still have that one drain so that's should be accounted as two and that's how we did it here when we talked to Jeff and he had put his numbers together Jeff board chart last Friday with Dan Morgan they were using four for that combination that that isn't how we would count that and we need to just bring that back and clear that clean that up in the code what we did was we actually increased that to 31 fixture units and we kind of looked at it and said well a three bedroom two and a half bath home and what would that look like well you would end up with the additional toilets and additional hand wash sink and so that would get you to 31. now that could be used in different ways some additional fixture unit types if you had a whirlpool bath for instance that is for a laundry sink comes in at four in a bar sink or wash up sink is two so there are some other items there but we would we would I do agree with Dan I think we could look at the code and I think we could uh see how we might clean some of these up and just make it more clear as it relates to some of the residential uses since those have been done in that manner in the past so again I would see that as additional item we've been back to council if we go back to the presentation but primarily this does conclude my presentation I'm happy to answer any questions as I mentioned in the beginning I'm not looking necessarily for any direction or action I should say action today I am looking for direction um and again this item was requested at the last council meeting to bring back kind of a roadmap of how we see policies and things coming back to Council in the future all right at this time I'm going to send it down to councilman breakfast yeah and I'll disclose because um tumworth uh came up my husband Armando or Nellis Jr is the community services director for the city of Sparks and under his chain of command um is Tom morph at this and and that's in his employment situation at this time so I'll just disclose that but um I want to say one I thought your memo was good and your presentation was good so we all know what's ahead of us and I'm very excited about that I don't want you to get too far ahead of us though on some of these issues for us to get broad policy Direction because we're the policy body and this is a fiscal issue but it's also for all policy and just on the issue of the of um you know where do you get the break in connection fees you know housing is a priority here you know getting housing that our people can afford is here and the builders while they may have an issue there are issues making money and what makes the most money in this most recent development cycle is luxury you know multi-family aside on single-family detached product luxury well what Reno residents need is not luxury because not everyone can afford luxury so the policy of this body may be to put a higher hookup fee on luxury and maybe at some point that can pencil better for non-luxury you know and luxury gets into you know how many fixtures you have so I think I think there's arguments to be made in terms of um how it's calculated but I very much did appreciate the micro units and the fixture count to advance other policy goals and we cannot take this as a fiscal and Engineering exercise alone we need to conceptual lies this as meeting the broader public need which is really housing and you know we haven't done a lot on housing lately and we need to get there so I see policy values in that but I like everything else you brought forward Island 18 everything you know I think that's good I just would like to have a little bit more juncture of each one as you before you go negotiate with County counterparties so you have some marching orders um and but you know yeah it's huge we have 1100 homes on septic in West Plum Lane they're Islands because they were annexed and they were County unincorporated Annex islands and we had to Annex the the jump up to 16 000 in stemwarf and losing that money just having everyone else carry that load is is beyond you know I just I vented about it so many times here the flow shave is getting concerning to me and I really do understand want to understand because that gets into the tumworth deal you know because it's always well there we've got extra capacity to send to Sparks well we're sending some amount over there from risworth sewer shed area um so we're losing it maybe it's not that much but also we want to meet our infill demands we got Mr Jacobs here saying he's going to build everything in the world and I don't want to see us get short because we sold it to Sparks to then sell it out to Spanish Springs in the county who they've cut off by the way there's a lot to this that I think needs to get vetted before they start cutting deals with Sparks um and so you know great but um those are my thoughts from one body you know member who's been focused on this for a long time but I think you're doing a good job um moving us forward on this issue that is so important um at this time thank you all right thank you so much councilman breakfast all right councilman penis yeah I just did want to say I appreciate you I'm coming up here and meeting with us individually to kind of go through the plans on what's happening I'm just wondering if you can because I don't have as much knowledge on the program if you could talk to me a little bit about the scepter septic to sewer program what that entails and what it's about thank you for that so septic to sewer is in different communities they have their septic systems set up and as communities have expanded they you you don't want to have the septic necessarily especially if it's higher density because it can contaminate the groundwater table prints for instance and so typically those those kind of programs are set up to possibly give some incentives to those who are on septic to hook into a sewer system but often because they're on septic now the sewer system was never brought to them like a development is today where they where they extend the sewer out to there and then and then people are hooked up as as they when they purchase their homes all that is in place and so in this program we would actually be the ones extending sewer out into a neighborhood for instance and a lot of times those are set up in different methods and I don't want to necessarily go into specific details but someone's got to pay for that right so sometimes it's some sort of special assessment district is set up and so that goes against each of the parcels and then again maybe there's some incentive of of waving connection fees or something that goes into that but but those are all policy and we want to bring you kind of best practices back but it's really about giving incentives for people who get office update to go to sewer and I'm just going to one more comment on that Las Vegas currently has a program that they're doing to convert people from septic to sewer their main reason for doing that is actually Waterside they want the they don't want the septic tanks or the water that's going in there now to go into the ground they want to capture that take it back to the plant treat it send it out to Lake Mead so they can bring it back for water so that's that's why it's something specific okay thank you so much thank you okay okay councilman Taylor thank you madam mayor um thank you John I really feel part of my responsibility up here is to get the questions answered that people are asking so um I want to go over some of the things that Mr Morgan's brought Morgan brought to our attention um the first I'll just go through them and then maybe you can answer them quickly I think you did in your presentation but I want to make sure that we're responding directly to his concerns the first um when that I heard um and it probably wasn't in the order that he gave was a sewer Enterprise committee to help with this um the second one was about the fixtures and I think you addressed that but if you could talk a little bit about the 34 to 36 and what the difference that looks like regarding the 31 that your team came up with and how you came up with that Mr Morgan also talked about a baseline established in 2021 now I think I understand that timeline from 2011 until now and with the cost increase but maybe we should touch on that just a little bit and I think you did a great job on the grants the payment at CFO as I understand that that's something that we're offering now and I think code the team might be looking on how we make that a little bit more clear and make applicants aware of that process so if you need me to go back on that I will but um I appreciate your help in answering those questions thank you okay so I I'm tracking four items um so we'll start out first you mentioned let's talk about the sewer Enterprise itself there's a Sewer Service Commission in the code that Sewer Service Commission is primarily made up though of city manager representative finance representative Community Development now Development Services representative and Public Works which now I was I assume would be like Utility Services director perhaps and that group gets together to look at any disputes that happen so it's not really we don't really have something set up similar to the building Enterprise fund uh committee the bfac but but it was really set up there to really handle any disputes and to review like user rate changes and things like that I've been with the city since 2005 2009 in the management role and um I think I can count on one hand the number of times that commission has come together because it really hasn't been that many disputes that would come forth I do think that it's a good idea and I specifically think um we would definitely want to outreach and get a working group together for reviewing the code as it is today and get some this cleanup to be put into place the way we'd want to see it go into place um so that that was one item um uh two I think let's do fixture units um uh they were using uh Jeff borchart was doing some of those analysis and Jeff with um with um Toll Brothers and he was um uh using four for that combo shower bath if you had that and you had a three bathroom unit that would take out four fixture units right off the bat again I just want to bring back to the attention of the council when when we had this Workshop in 2020 and I was working with Don tatra at the time the Builder Association um and the the thing that came from the public was well why is it one single family rate regardless of size of home and so we were really looking at that to say well what why you know what would that look like differently we were actually looking to propose maybe like cutoffs for different rates depending on how many fixture units um but it really came out pretty clear well if you if you allow so many fixture units and then anything above that standard would then be extra because people had different amenities we thought that was the most fair and Equitable way to do it and I want to be respectful of other council members time so maybe we can answer the other two Madam mayor is that okay after in our second round thank you John so I'll just conclude with the two-bedroom or two three bedroom two bath home 26 units we went to a two and a half and called it 31 so we did increase that from the standard that had been set back in like the 80s all right Vice memories thank you and Madam mayor my comments will be brief number one I do appreciate um Mr flansburg your willingness to continue to work with the stakeholders because I want to make sure that folks understand that my desire to move forward today on the item is not uh foreclosing the possibility that you might continue to have some of those important conversations so Mr Morgan I think uh is a very thoughtful member of our community and represents a number of folks that are doing outstanding work and so they they want to make sure that their voice is heard and that they have a seat at the table so uh to the extent that I can I want to encourage you to continue those conversations as you always historically have and I think as Mr Morgan has indicated that you have previously had so for my part today I I didn't totally understand Mr Morgan's in desire to see it continued out for a period of time because I don't think there's anything that we would make decisions on today that we could not continue to have those discussions about I think you're right about the fixture account and how that went I'm not sure I understood fully this concern or inquiry about an Enterprise committee because I'm not sure that that is the appropriate use of of time uh effort and energy in part because I think there are lots of ways that that opportunity happens naturally right through the process there's a number of different we'll call it sub meetings that go on and so I'm not sure I suppose for my part I would give direction today about Expediting the code cleanup which I think is something that you're working on already um I think we already do the deferment of the payment of the connection fee uh to close or close or certificate of occupancy so I'm not sure we have to do anything there I think that's already available to us I suppose as it relates to a comment council member Breck has made about the importance of housing of course I believe that's true and certainly why we've had to take a number of difficult votes on this dice about housing and certainly there's a sort of an also an opportunity for um with regard to affordable housing we've made some commitments as a body that you've mentioned here before and I think are ultimately another question we're going to have to answer in this process as we continue to make either it's mostly been deferrals but a couple of times there have been waivers out of the fund I suppose I think too that it's important that as we every time we approach our budget cycle that we are having these kind of reviews right so that a review of this as a separate element of our budget each quarter or in q1 of the years in which we are continuing to evaluate our budget is also an important policy Direction and I think that you should take from this conversation because that then takes up all the arguments that are related to changes in the economy changes in the way that the building permits are going out or not takes the pulse of the market out of it and it allows us to have those conversations I'll also say for the benefit of my colleagues I do think that the way that the memos analyzed the different ways that you could budget forecasts I suppose on the CIP side is an important part and again I leave that to your more experience and learned Direction but I do think it behooves us at budget time to be inquiring of those things and making sure that we understand them so outstanding presentation hard to make sewer as fun as pools but you're doing your darn good job [Music] all right councilman door yeah thank you just a couple items I think a lot has already been covered so I wanted to ask or get on the record that I there's more than a thousand septic systems I think it was mentioned over a thousand just in um Island 18 which is Plumb Lane but I know there's other parts of town too that have septic systems and I think when I last talked to Mr flansburg I thought he said around 4 000 but maybe it was 2 000 but anyway it's more than one thousand and so I I didn't hear in the presentation but I might have just missed it any mention of this program ab54 um I was actually instrumental with rosemary Menard over at the county and getting this bill passed which would provide a loan program to allow residents to to change from septic systems to sewer systems and be able to pay that over 40 years the county has the responsibility for managing the program so I really think we need to have those conversations that program was passed in 2009 and to my knowledge nobody in the City of Reno has been able to access that program so I think it's been around over 10 years we have an opportunity to push forward and get more people converted and I think we should take advantage of it um so when you come back Mr flansburg I'm hoping to hear a little bit more about that um the second thing is um the fixture count I just wanted to say and I don't know if this is true but many many homes have been built in South Reno in the last two decades and I don't know that they are three bedroom two and a half bath they might be three bedroom three bath and I wondered if you have a breakdown John of you know how many homes you estimate are in each category whether it's the micro unit which I fully applaud I have many people that live in smaller homes or there's just two people and I don't think it matters whether there's two people but 31 fixtures that would still be charged as a 31 fixture but anyway I guess one thing I am leaning towards is increasing the number of fixtures because I think as a standard amenity in South Reno they've either included a sink at the laundry room or some other thing maybe it's a second sink in the kitchen I just don't want to penalize if this is the standard not the luxury as Council on breakfast talked about but more of the standard than I think we should recognize that so do you have a breakdown on how many like percent might fit in each of these categories uh to the question so John flansberg uh the I do not have a breakdown of how many homes would fit in each of those categories all I have is looking at the standard that has been in place was the two bedroom and we increased it to two and a half I mean bathroom and we increased it to two and a half bathroom with those fixture units and um I I am not aware of how that fits into with homes that are being built per se other than looking at some of the um floor plans that are out there uh yeah so so I'm not sure how that would play in again we were looking at kind of what that standard is if you think the standard should be increased we certainly could look at that as well well maybe your goal is to reach something like a bell curve where the micro units are 10 or 20 percent or 15 or whatever the number is the luxury units are similarly 10 or 20 percent and the vast majority are in the middle and I just want to try to hit that number if we can okay and I'm not saying it should be a bell curve maybe it's a third or third a third I don't really know but I suspect that there's probably if it's only two and a half bath and a kitchen that we may push like 40 percent into that higher category so I just want to be careful I'm not I'm not saying that's a terrible policy decision but I'd like to have some sense of the numbers before we before we do the final thing okay councilman breakfast all right um do or I'm going to cut you off yep thanks thanks for sending it to councilman Ebert any questions no not at this time no okay I'm going to send it right back to council and Taylor I think the only question that we needed to talk about we did congratulations thanks John so real quick I guess have a question are we talking between 31 and 36 fixtures do you think in your conversations you have the ability to work with your team to get to a place that everybody can agree upon between 31 and 36. yeah I do I think we I think we can have that conversation uh with the builders you know or those who are working on this talk about that with our staff as we look at the cleanup of 1216. like I said we already found that one that didn't make sense right the the shower bath combo is for but a shower is two and a bath is two so it doesn't make sense that you would charge the combo as a four it should be a two okay and I would imagine that again you guys can have those conversations and my numbers include that and Jeff's numbers did not be included four so that would that would have added significant number of fixture units so so we can both work together to come up with the Common Ground perfect thank you John better mayor but I think if they're going to have Direction they also need to meet with people who are concerned about housing affordability too because you know the single family detached product is putting a lot of burden on us in these outlying areas you know in terms of other factors and if we can incentivize more infill which is attached that's still single family correct condo is still comes under the single family it doesn't come under the multi-family but I've got a four-story I believe that's correct yeah okay so we have to we have to know you know there may be a geographic sweet spot where you know the under 31 fixtures they are absolutely being built where we have police patrols and fire service available and you know the other ones are being carved up on hillsides on streets where you know we haven't plowed before so we really need to go back to the master plan and think about some of these bigger policy objectives that we lay the groundwork for in 2017. one last thing about the sewers deceptic program when that comes back is I'm not entirely sure that Island 8 it's been a while since I've looked on it isn't on the path to more density in terms of you know very large lots that are going to be you know very much uh developed you know probably is multi-family because we did a fair amount of Master Plan amendments over there in there the market should be bringing the sewer in in Island 18 there's you know certainly with us not having an accessory dwelling unit ordinance there is not a lot of development potential so we need to look at those I think differently um and it starts with the maps and the development pressures in each in my view thank you for that and and just to back up on uh councilmember door had had mentioned uh I mentioned that there's over 1100 um uh homes on septic in Island 8 and Island 18. so yeah and I just want to say to everyone um two properties off of West Plum Lane this last summer a 50 year old house was about to get red tagged because they had a bubbling leech field coming up through their yard odor all through the neighborhood it was in the spring when I got involved and um the the cost was you know when other people would have gotten a free ride if they were made to extend that the cost was you know two hundred thousand dollars and they had no leech field option I've been talking about this for 10 years there are places with no leech field option and this was a flat house on a quarter acre they were going to get red tagged by the health department um that's how bad this situation is in some areas thank you all right any further questions councilman uh Madam mayor go ahead councilman yeah I just wanted to make sure thank you for that so John you said 1100 in the two areas and I guess my question is just or missed the part are you coming back with a specific program on how to enhance the conversion process yes I I um so to the question councilmember we will come back uh we'll present uh different best practices uh other what other areas are doing we'll present some options and and you know this will be a collaborative project or between us as we develop what this program should look like as well as what those fiscal impacts would be okay great I just and and you'll reach out to the county I assume as part of this you already mentioned we have yes yeah okay thanks all right any further questions you want to add anything no I'm good thank you let me ask Madam clerk do you have any public comment no okay so with that being said you are not looking for anything other than some Clarity of motion to accept motion to accept right but are we clear on some of the things that we were going to add in their fixture numbers um time of see see about everything yes okay and we'll we'll reach out and try to bring that back um as quickly as we can on the on that item thank you all right Mr Morgan did you want to put in a public comment we did public comment at the beginning of the item but if you'd like okay all right so Madam mayor I'm prepared oh you've made a motion okay no no you go ahead and make a motion I'm just trying to give the clerk enough time yep I'm prepared to make a motion when the clerk so directs me I move to accept the report uh with the recommendations and uh materials identified by the body to Mr flensburg okay I have a motion from vice mayor second I have a second from councilwoman Dewer any discussions so that there are none all those in favor say aye aye all those opposed motion carries unanimously okay all right good job we did it we're gonna get this down we are going to get this down I promise it might take a few meetings but we're going to get there okay all right so we're moving on to item D3 we do need to open the Redevelopment agency board in order to open that item so if you're ready matamir we'll go ahead and let's open Redevelopment agency okay so at this time Madam Clerk um I'm gonna send it to you to call the roll okay councilmember breakfast absent at this time councilmember door here Martinez here Ebert Taylor Rhys Chevy here Madame Mary you do have a quorum of the Redevelopment agency board okay item L2 is opening public comment we have none registered so I'll go ahead and close that item three is approval of the agenda all right make it in motion I have a motion from vice mayor wreath sorry we moved a little fast on that one Cruise sorry I believe a second from councilwoman Taylor thank you all those in favor say aye all those opposed motion carries unanimously okay back at you madam Clerk thank you we're moving on to item L4 approval of the minutes for December 14 2022. all right we're preparing for a motion I'm going to send it to vice mayor Reese I have a motion from vice mayor a second from councilman Taylor all those in favor say aye aye aye all is opposed motion carries two in a row we're doing good all right all right so now we're going to go ahead and open item l51 in addition to D3 all right where is that Mr McArdle hold on a second okay it was what l l five one and D3 oh five one okay perfect um just to check back in with you any public comment on this item we have none registered Madame mayor all right and I am super excited we have Brian McArdle I believe this is your first time at the dice no no stress yeah you've done this so many times not in this room but you've done it many times for Edon but we're excited to have you and we're excited for your presentation because I know this is something you're incredibly passionate about and that's the very reason that the city brought you on so excited to see what you your presentation looks like well thank you madam mayor and council members thank you for having me uh Brian McArdle city revitalization manager and I'm here today and board members as well for the Redevelopment agency I'm here today to discuss a potential Direction and authorization for two properties on West 4th Street that are associated with the retract project taking a quick trip down memory lane for those who remember the retract project this was when we put the trench through downtown Reno and part of that was a transfer from the Union Pacific Railroad with the City of Reno to allow for building of the trench and also temporary Rail lines and the property we're talking about in the upper right hand corner you can maybe see is the Nevada Dance Academy and that's what we're discussing but after the project was done the properties were re-parceled and conveyed jointly to the City of Reno and the Redevelopment agency which is why we had to open both items today and it is not within a Redevelopment area specifically part of these properties were involved with a revenue Bond I've confirmed those revenue bonds have been paid off and so we can now dispose of the properties as needed and over the past few years the city has sold off properties in this area the retract project goes all the way to the Spaghetti Bowl but we're just focusing on this area just west of Keystone I believe the first property to be sold off was the Maverick gas station around the corner of 4th Street and Keystone right there uh and other Parcels have been sold off just along Chisholm Street just north of uh the Elma State and the ones we're talking about specifically here today are the two yellow Parcels right at the tail end there uh currently eagle window and doors and formerly the Nevada Dance Academy are on these parcels uh just a street view of what is going on here uh that is the eagle window and doors on the back side is the Nevada former Nevada Dance Academy and the parking lot that serves that dance academy uh we received the letter of interest from the current leaseholder who owns all the improvements and the buildings on that property uh they'd like to put a new roof and some other improvements on there and requested that they purchase the property so that they can retain ownership long term um just further review of the properties right there [Music] um I don't think there's anything much more to say I will say that you know they're proposing the no changes of use uh and if there's any easements that need to be have we'll retain those as we negotiate with them going forward I think that was one of the questions and then how does that work um I guess do we get a um what do we call it a no or no uh estimate but um so yeah so what we're asking for today is to start that process we actually need to go get appraisals for the property that's what I was looking for yeah and we need to start negotiating with the current leaseholder on what that will look like and then we'll bring that you know purchase sale agreement offering back to this Council for finals okay so right now you just need approval to move forward yes okay yes so I just want to make it clear to everyone at this time we are not um selling this property right now we're just right now we want to move forward okay perfect I'd like to um ask for a motion Madam mayor I moved to allow staff to proceed with negotiations with JM ranches and Order appraisals on the property okay I have a motion from councilman Reese second hold on I'll send it to you in a minute yeah a second from councilman Taylor yes I have discussion one quick discussion right now councilwoman breakfast yeah I'm sorry I didn't I was in the back and I I didn't hear you call for a quest there might be a delay over there I didn't hear you ask for questions of the bar from the body from staff and the issue I have um and I want to explore and uh the eagle Windows person and I've had a lot of contact over the years um and I don't know if he's the one who made the proposal but um so I know how that property is operated The Dance Academy I've I've been in there when it was a dance academy I don't know how it's operated now but just two meetings ago or last meeting I think it was we continue to plow money into this um subsidize housing project which has struggled on this corridor and it's very alternative we put General general fund money I've always been skeptical of that project they came in on some they're putting housing on that side of the railroad tracks you know and maybe in this era you know housing stress housing can go anywhere in Reno I kind of think that but I don't want to um you know work against ourselves and so can you show from the map where that subsidized housing project is I think it's called the empowerment zone or it is um the one right next to the Maverick gas station it was I think that sold in 2021 to Truckee Meadows Housing Solutions okay so so we're gonna be a couple properties over the zoning has changed a lot over the years what are the what industrial uses are allowed on those two properties right now I would classify them as a well one sounds vacant maybe outdoor trailer rentals right is that what these are the properties in green uh I believe there's Reno gas and a trailer rental on those locations yeah but no the ones in question what do they have going on those are eagle window door and the former Nevada or Reno Dance Academy so a vacant structure I don't know if it's one structure but the Nevada the former Dance Academy was on the okay you can always for future reference you can always pull active build business licenses for properties and do a rundown that way because that's what it is you know if someone's in there doing something and don't have a business license they're not doing something right but my concern is because inner in in between we have what a gas propane place uh Reno gas station and a trailer sales okay now Reno gas station you know I don't know what they do there it's not just a regular gas station I think it's maybe it's commercial fuel okay so residential next to commercial fuel let's think about that and it you know it it's a question so what I'm proposing is that the council possibly think about restricting some heavy industrial uses if they are allowed by the zoning on these Parcels right which is not inconsistent with having a dance school and essentially a showroom contractor's yard is how I would classify eagle window because um we're gonna have I don't know Truckee Meadows housing resources is gonna have 30 residents there I think or at least did you get a number on what their proposal was no no Lori why don't you come on up and yeah I guess we're a little confused because this wasn't the conversation then we went into housing and I think you're losing people councilman well I'm not tying it back around like yeah why we're why we're here so let's kind of get back yeah I'm sorry if you're not following go ahead Lori miles yeah pretty agent for the City of Reno the Truckee Meadow Housing Solutions property is very tiny and can accommodate up to nine tiny homes okay so there'll be nine tiny homes there and then we have properties two properties in between right those are industrial the Reno gas and the open trailer cells those are the ones in green okay okay so you know we really need to decide at this point are we going non-industrial on this Corridor or are we going industrial because we've already made the decision to put nine tiny homes there and if we're going non-industrial when we sell these properties we want to put covenants on them to make sure or rezone them to make sure that they're not going to have heavy industrial uses um that's a consideration that I've had for a lot of years here okay wait I'm confused so are you saying that possibly we would change the zoning we're not opposing any zone changes today nor is the current leaseholder so the existing use would stay the same at a later date if they want to change the use they would come back for for zoning change okay well no no you don't understand is we can put covenants when we sell property and say not to be used industrial so that's guidance that we would give out to the appraisals it might take off some value on the property but it's a heck of a lot better than eagle window selling it next week to the propane guy who wants to expand propane use and then we have a tank farm next to nine tiny homes are you following along that so that's where I'm going and okay that makes sense okay we're kind of bringing that back around because I think we're all confused of like why why is the housing component coming in here and so that does make sense what does that look like Brian do you know the housing commitment component well no um I think you know she makes a good point in the sense like we ended up selling it to him and then he sells it to another person and then they're using it for you know a whole other um intention that's what that zoning use then they would be allowed unless we write specifically in the purchase of sale that it cannot be used for so when you come back for that purchase of sale can you be a little bit more specific or I don't know who who's here you want to speak a little bit about how where you're trying to go thanks so much and for the record Josh turiot um I represent run Jam ranches uh you guys have seen me up here before I'm the guy buying old warehouses on Fourth Street so oh that's right okay I remember yes uh recently the Reno Brewing uh building and um yeah how's that going uh we're making progress okay good yeah um so we're getting there pretty close but uh um our intent right now is just to restore that warehouse um uh Eagle went on door is interested in staying in the building we're not looking to do anything other than to secure our investment in the building so um um as it was mentioned you know there are components of the building that are dilapidated you know and need replacement the roof is a 180 000 investment um I don't uh have any immediate plans to do anything other than to clean the building up and restore it um and keep it rented in those uses that's correct okay um the the lot right now uh I I think there are some easements there that um inhibit any sort of major development there um and our plan is just to continue to use it so the intent is you come back and stay within the same use yes okay for the for the near term and uh we don't have any any alternative plans other than to justify our investment in the in the structure um knowing that that we're not putting good money after you know something that's going to be torn down so okay all right thank you so much so I understand now so we have a motion in a second we have discussion from councilwoman breakfast Madam mayor I have a moment of discussion discussion too thank you madam mayor um look some of these things are I think um perhaps not what the agenda item was intended to discuss so I want to just refocus and think about our disposal policy as a city I think I've been involved in the sale of all of the parcels in Blue on the map and we have a disposal policy that says that existing users and adjoining users essentially have some preference in our policy directions to make sure that we utilize the spaces to the best of our ability these Remnant Parcels are incredibly complex and difficult especially given the way we obtain them through the retract process and also the historical uses have been largely we'll call them light industrial I mean I think the existing businesses on Parcels 12 and 18 have been there's I think as long as I've been alive and so I don't think we should be you know changing their use around them those businesses have been existing and have existed along this historic Highway for many years that the Nevada Youth Empowerment project has decided that they can make a go of something there on their small parcel I think is something that they made a decision about and I suppose ultimately we invested some effort in that too and so what I want to be able to make sure I'm clear about is and do support is that this particular existing business owner and their however it's structured as a as a buy sell with another party or some Financial arrangement we have a preference to sell those Parcels to those existing users and we'll go through the process of doing the appraisals as we are required to do by law and so I just think there's not a lot here other than to say the City of Reno should not be in the habit of owning property I think when it does have the ability to dispose of that property that is a benefit to us as a city because we don't need to be property owners and landlords in that regard and so I think it's a very easy decision to be able to move forward with this today without the conditions or obligations that I think the member from Ward one is really speaking to I'll also say too that for my part I don't believe that the sale proceeds should just be sucked up back into the general fund I would rather that the sale proceeds when we do get to that moment where we sell them go into our revitalization efforts and Mr McArdle we brought you on in the hopes that you would be able to supercharge an area of this you know this City's future but we we haven't really given you the resources to do it and I think Mr Edelstein is also a part of that sort of nuanced programming and so for me and I am sort of signaling my hand perhaps early but it just seems to me that when we sell a piece of property in the realm Redevelopment District we should be putting that back into the efforts that you're going to go out and Undertake and so that will be my ultimate recommendation perhaps not in today's motion because I think it's unnecessary to the motion that I've made but when it comes back please know that that as as my colleagues will understand that will be my in interest of seeing those monies kept within some broader pool of money which would allow for the Redevelopment and revitalization efforts that you are taking as a department just hoping to see what you guys can come up with as far as innovative ideas with what the sale might look like and appreciate you being here thank you thank you madam mayor yes um I'm not going to support um and the disposal policy is one that I brought to this body when I came on and and giving preface to joiners was really a value that I brought forward I've written disposal policies and worked with those in other cities and I saw a real need because we had all these retract properties but when you're a city and you're selling property you're not just disposing of economic value you know you're not just doing transaction work you're trying to advance policy and you know without having a clear interpretation in this stop report about is this industrial used property you can't just go off the what the buyer wants to say we've seen people buy property from us on this sort of deal and immediately flip it you know which you know I don't know he'll do it but you know when we need to look if we're preserving industrial uses on this Corridor or not and I didn't see this in the stop report I don't see any zoning analysis it may be a moot point there may not be an ability to do another tank farm but there may be and we've got nine tiny homes going up so it's a little deficient right now I would have liked to seen the the direction to be write the appraisals pulling out the hardest of the industrial uses that would be deemed by our community development staff in compatible to residential adjacency I know they're separated but we know the other ones are going to sell at some point that's how I would have written this motion but right now we're just selling it as is and no no we're not we're just okay okay thank you madam mayor there's a there's a broader discussion Council on breakfast to come back to sell the parcels so we're not at that stage yet so we we will get there and you'll be able to have conversation then but for now this is just very generalized and we want to stick to that because I think that's where we've gotten off track um councilwoman door um make it brief I'm so sorry you have a minute because we're we have a motion on the floor Council endure [Music] is she muted hi can you hear me I can now go ahead okay sorry um I just wanted since we're having a bit of a policy conversation I just wanted to support both of my colleagues I think I'm reinvesting the money in a Redevelopment is a really good idea and to the other point um I was also instrumental in furthering the policy of selling to a joiners however I think with our new Redevelopment team that they should have an opportunity that if they have want to bring forward a vision let's say to develop a certain kind of area with properties that we're selling um that that they should advocate for that so it shouldn't just be random sales I mean we have one policy and it served us well to celto joiners but now in this Redevelopment phase it may be advantageous when they bring it back to propose whether it's a district just like we did with Fourth Street or it's um some a residential area whatever it is I think they should be be mindful and have the opportunity to kind of seek a vision and be able to implement The Vision by restricting property so I'm just giving them that kind of shout out to remind them that I think it's within their purview to recommend something like that all right thank you so much okay I have a motion in a second all those in favor say aye aye all those opposed I said I I don't know it's coming hold on all those opposed sorry who was the seconder oh thank you so I have a motion from vice mayor Reese the second from councilwoman Taylor all those in favor say aye all those opposed motion carries okay thank you madam clerk sorry for that okay thank you all right nice to see you we never get to see you anymore Madame mayor we do have to take a separate motion on item l51 so if we can take emotional by the way great job Mr McArdle I'm prepared on l51 to make the motion go right ahead I'll move to approve staff recommendations okay hold on one second Madam clerk do you have any public comment on this item okay vice mayor has made a motion and I believe a second from councilwoman Taylor all those in favor say aye aye aye all those opposed motion carries okay councilmember Ebert did you put your vote in oh sorry thank you okay sending it back to you madam Clerk let's go ahead and close out Redevelopment agency board so we're moving on to item L6 which are Redevelopment agency board comments announcements regarding boards and commissions all right any comments something there none we are going to move on thank you item L7 is closing public comment for the Redevelopment agency board which I have none so I'm looking for a motion to adjourn RDA okay thank you at this time I'd like a motion to adjourn so moved I have a motion on the floor from vice mayor second from councilman Martinez all those in favor say aye aye all those opposed motion carries thank you we are on item E1 e is in Edward one which is an ordinance introduction to be read by the city attorney's office all right I'm going to send it over to Carl Hall go right ahead hey thank you man importance introduction bill number 7228 organs amending the Reno Municipal Code title 2 chapter 2.08 to modify the frequency and number of required meetings of the financial advisory okay any public comment mom clerk we have none registered councilman breakfast go ahead yeah well let's let's get a little explanation on why we're doing this I mean finances are important talking about finances appointment why don't we want to talk about finances more all right Madame mayor I'm not seeing anyone jumping up from staff but I'll just tell you because I am the liaison to the financial Advisory board that the financial Advisory board members have really requested this change in really two ways one is because they have had some issues over time with the Quorum and two was about the question of whether they have to meet every month and and I don't think they believe they need to meet every month they believe they can meet it sort of as needed and as Miss Van Buren makes her way to the Diaz I think she can confirm that it's just a matter of sort of harmonizing some of the boards have very exacting requirements about how often and frequently they must meet other of our boards have less rules so it's sort of a harmonizing of the rules and also an acknowledgment to the financial Advisory board members about their desire to be a bit more flexible with their calendar sure would you like me go ahead guess it a little bit okay yeah Vicki Van Buren Director of Finance this is a request that the financial Advisory Board um had requested that staff bring forward they took a vote in a motion to bring this forward to council the actual meetings are set by ordinance for the financial Advisory Board and it currently states that the meeting that the board must meet monthly and so there are times when council is not meeting or taking a break such as in June and July where we don't have some items that are current for the board but they still have to meet so we're not allowed to cancel a meeting just because we don't have any items for the board we still have to go ahead and meet and there are times when we know we won't have a quorum around the holidays and such but we still have to meet and so the request from the board is just not that they wouldn't intend to meet monthly but they would have the flexibility to cancel a meeting here in there if needed the way this is written for what's presented to you today is they would meet a minimum of nine times a year that doesn't mean they couldn't meet 12 times a year it just means that they would have a small amount of flexibility okay okay so go ahead so we don't open up ordinances a lot and we've never opened up this one in the 10 years I've been on but you know section 2.08474 related to the board says review a board performance the performance of the board shall be valued by the city council minimum once every three years the council shall conduct such a performance evaluation between January and March for the purposes of it determining the need for the continued existence of the board in accordance with the final following and there's five things you know objectives board is needed news board operates and so on so you know rather than Tinker with this tiny thing which calls into question all the other things that the council should be evaluating every three years and hasn't let's go through that process um we don't have an audit committee the county over there they have a subcommittee of the commission that serves as the audit committee I always understood this was a substitute for the audit committee um and I'd like to see them have more robust roles or be a hybrid subcommittee of the council because I don't and I served as the liaison I see a need for a more stronger role in this area but I want to even take a step back off of that we had two comments today from people from the Civil Service Commission or a senior citizen commit commission they don't like the way those boards are operating either I've been raising consistently questions about the Naps we need to do a full-scale analysis of our boards and commissions how they're doing how they're not and not Tinker on the edges with things like how often they meet particularly when we're negligent administering the ordinance here so I object to this strongly I think this is very is not well conceived if we want to tackle the fine Finance board Tee It Up as being compliant with 2.0474 I don't like being non-compliant with something we're supposed to do every three years all right councilman breakfast first of all again I think we tend to get off topic this really was something about they don't feel that it's necessary to continue to meet as frequently some boards do some boards don't I think you know just all sort of depends I think that's a different discussion of bringing back on the agenda of looking at some of those other boards I think you know you make a good point there some are working well some don't work so well I think there's you know some work to be done there so um I want to leave that separately to this issue at hand and then we could put it on the agenda to talk about that because there are some things I'd like to bring up with some of the other boards and commissions for sure because some don't even meet right like the stadium board and some of that stuff so I think there is some some validity there and some cleanup so thank you councilwoman breakfast did you give me a motion sorry vice mayor Madam mayor I moved to refer for the second reading and adoption on the recommendation of Staff All right so Madam clerk I I um have a motion now and I would like a second I think from cath uh councilman Taylor yeah discussion councilman breakfast yeah I mean this is a body that has not gone into a strategic workshops to set up Priority for what gets tackled since 2019. we have how many new members three we have a new city manager and you know priorities seem to be all over the place you know do let me just let me just continue so that's objection number one objection number two is I was stunned when I opened up the financial Advisory Board ordinance and saw that every three years between the months of January and March we should be evaluating them I don't to five factors I don't like being one of the senior board members and not having followed an ordinance and I think it absolutely is on topic so I would take a a punt on this and bring back the entire Financial Advisory Board ordinance and and do this evaluation like we're supposed to do I can't believe and it's not off topic it's not off topic we are not following an ordinance that some of our predecessors put in place with respect to this very critical function and it will you know that's what we need to be doing and focusing on um so I'm not going to support okay that's fine totally fine I I don't think we are all over the place and I also think we need to take in account that we've been through a lot of Crisis certainly in a pandemic and other ways in which we had to shift so um I don't I don't agree with that and I think it's really easy to criticize and criticize and I think our team has done a tremendous job all of you guys have worked really hard so I want to say thank you instead of maybe feeling criticized all the time that's you know not the intent up here certainly not um how many of us feel so thank you um okay so I met a mayor I'll also add to your sentiment that um the award one member has been on the body for 10 years Ergo violating some obscure statute for the last 10 years and I just do not like the use of minutia in government to Spring forth when it's convenient I think if there is some issue where we have um you know not observed the letter of the law with regard to Municipal governance we'll fix that and certainly when they call attention to it either through an audit function or through the review of a municipal ordinance it's like you're right we haven't observed this every three year thing about whatever subsection a of subsection B of little I says we'll fix that I don't think that is anything that we can't handle or that we have not tried to live up to the best aspirational goals of the organization so I thank the ward one member for calling our attention to this obscure uh minute element of the municipal code section there's probably thousands of those I think it used to be in like 1800 that if you spit on the sidewalk that was a uh you know a a felony charge uh and you know women couldn't wear hats on Mondays you know laws happened that we are a bit obscure and and can be outdated um there's some I think funny articles on the internet where you can look at laws that are on the books in various communities that aren't observed doesn't mean someone is all of a sudden been you know committing a felony or a treasonous act against the country it just means that some laws are old and obscure and sometimes they get lost in the shuffle if this one is worth looking at I'm sure miss Van Buren will be be in a position to tell us about that but from my point the financial Advisory Board are made of incredibly talented and thoughtful people who give of their time willingly they are the ones who initiate this request and I'm happy to support them in that effort all right councilman door were you trying to she wasn't right okay so I have a motion a second all those in favor say aye aye aye opposed motion carries okay Madam Clerk okay we're moving on to ordinance adoptions item F1 to be read by the city attorney's office additionally Madame Mary do have a public commenter in the audience on this item on this item okay perfect I'm going to send it right back to you for public comment go ahead okay our first commenter today is Tracy Overholt good afternoon my name is Tracy Overholt I live on West Golden Valley Drive and the recent development house that out there have personally impacted my family's quality of life and the project that you guys are discussed discussed discussing down on um Gold West Golden Valley in North Virginia the Golden Valley Commerce Center that's just going to add to the problems we are already having out there trying to get around traffic is terrible and I know it's going in right behind or right in front of a Housing Development that's down below me and I know they're like say like 210 feet from the railroad up to the other to the opposite side of the railroad my house is 810 feet from chewy and it is lit up like the Fourth of July that night and I just don't want to see this happening to other residents out there it's horrible it's impacted our sleeping or just everything I do have pictures and um this has been a couple years contacting Chewie and the City Board not you specifically but um regarding the impact on our on our lives and nobody's listening to us out there nobody I have pictures as to what they promised would not happen and it did happen regarding the lighting the traffic the noise and it's not being addressed for us and that is going to impact us even more with the traffic and the families that live there have there maybe city manager maybe you can kind of bring us up to speed have there have been discussions with Chewie and I'm assuming we had something in place and are they following it what's would you have uh conditions of operations in place and I know that we are presently monitoring them and they are in the process of uh through the through the code enforcement folks we have people monitoring and I know that they either have or are Contracting with sound Engineers to make sure that we're meeting the standard that is in place right now so I know that there's an active um there's an active effort out there with code enforcement to make sure that they're complying with the standards of operation that are appended to their license have they had code violations they have they have yes okay that's problematic and it's still happening okay that thank you for bringing that up to us that's really important to know I said it needs yeah it's like truck last month broke down right there by Golden Gate at that intersection North Valleys and or not sorry not north of The Valleys North Virginia and West Golden Valley we had nowhere to go we were stuck in that traffic for 45 minutes they've got a median on one side of it you can't go over it you can't go around it and that's where that truck was stopped okay thank you so much I appreciate that is that RTC is RTC and not can can you get me a memo I'm gonna have city manager get me a memo I'm going to follow up okay we will follow up with you all right okay thank you all right thank you so much okay all right Madame mayor with that we have no additional public comment and I have not received any correspondence so we can have the City attorney read the ordinance if you are prepared for them okay go right ahead this is earn its adoption ordinance number 644 case number LDC 23 Dash zero zero zero two two Golden Valley Commerce Center zoning map Amendment request for Arizona map Amendment for mixed-use suburban and Ms Sony District to the industrial commercial IC zoning District the plus or minus 6.08 acre side is located on the Southeast side of West Golden Valley Road approximately plus or minus 298 feet Southwest of its intersection plan 90's designation of industrial Iowa okay all right any questions from Council councilman Madam mayor I'm prepared to make a motion all right go ahead I moved to or I'm sorry let me give staff the opportunity to catch up mom clerk we're prepared for a motion Madam mayor I moved to adopt all right I have a motion to adopt I have a second from councilwoman Taylor all those in favor Madam mayor yes I'll have a little comment on this okay um I think it's relevant because we have public comment we don't usually get public comment on adoptions but I'm emphatically voting no for this zoning District that has the the smiled permutation the very targeted permutation other than the one that I think would have been suitable for the area of allowing 24-hour operation so once again 24-hour operation Logistics warehouses are going to be allowed to the detriment of the quality of life of Ward 4 residents so I vote no thank you I appreciate that I do okay I've a mission in a second all those in favor say aye aye all those opposed post no motion posts thank you motion carries all right Madam Clerk thank you madam mayor we're moving on to item F2 in ordinance adoption to be read by the city attorney's office this is on this adoption ordinance number 6445 case number LDC 23-00023 455 Crampton Street master plan and zoning map amendments requests for a zoning map Amendment for plus or minus 0.16 Acres side for multi-family residential 14 units per acre Rose Avenue neighborhood plan mf-14 wamp to General commercial Wells Avenue neighborhood plan gcwamp the site is located north of Crampton Street plus or minus 170 feet east of its intersection with Wells Avenue Ward 3. all right thank you any public comment on this item manamere we have none registered okay thank you so much I believe is this you Mr Martinez yes it is okay um I'd like to move to adopt uh the ordinance all right so Madam clerk I have a motion on the floor by councilman Martinez second by vice mayor Reese all those in favor say aye aye aye all those opposed motion carries all right item F3 and ordinance adoption to be read by the city attorney's office adoption ordinance number six four four six ordinance amending Reno Municipal Code title 12 entitled Public Works and utilities chapter 12.16 Sewer Service section 12.16.290 controlling unit or residential unit in section 12.16.300 industrial commercial connection fee to revise the connection fee rates for both residential and industrial commercial to establish a fees by service area and to provide for an annual fee increase for the Consumer Price Index all Urban consumers cpi-u for the West urban area together with matters which pertain to or are necessarily connected there too foreign for the record I just need to state that we did receive one comment which was um Associated it was one letter in opposition that has been distributed to the Reno city council and is a part of the record okay thank you so much so I have a motion to adopt yes go ahead oh hold on I have a motion to adopt by uh councilwoman breakfast do you have a second I'm vice mayor I'm going to send it for discussion go ahead Council I have that question go ahead councilwoman Taylor and then council member I'll get to you in a second great thank you madam I'm wondering if there is any opportunity to push the effective day out a couple months to have um some discussion with stakeholders John would maybe in April is that something that you would entertain for the record John flansberg Regional infrastructure administrator so the way that this is going to be enacted is going to be on future um building as building permits come in so building permits that are already actively in place um uh are there now so I I don't know that I'd recommend that we would push this out I think the effective date is when's the effective date so the effective date going to effect will be Monday at 12 A.M um for all new permit applications um so I'm wondering if um if the like I said if there is discussion maybe by the Council of we have a little bit more comfortable Comfort based on what we heard today moving that to April for adoption and if that is possible or implementation the other thing I'm just curious have they had like a 30-day notice already like hey reminder this is coming to this point yes so so you've already sent out notices the building Enterprise I mean the building or business impact statement process the the workshop in November that we had the follow-up meeting that we had with the builders in December um our our discussion at the last council meeting uh so those have all been in place and that was clear in 30 days on this date you've always said a specific date this will go into effect yeah certain that we've said I'm not certain that we've said you know necessarily it will be the effect of this date we've you know prescribed it through this process um I don't think we can push out adoption until April because we end up outside the 45 days between first and second um what I hear you asking is uh can we push the effective date of an adopted ordinance out so that we have time to clean up the code Provisions that we were talking about earlier today in the in the uh presentation that Mr flansburg made with respect to how do we make calculations on fixture units how do we collect these fees whether it's at CFO or at time of permit um and if that's your question I do think that's something we can accomplish but I defer to that was the question that I was asking but I wanted to give my colleagues some time to weigh in I don't want to hold this up by any means um and I'd like to make sure that we adopt it today mayor go ahead yeah you know this has been so long time going I mean on rates that were stats is 2014. I've been talking about this since 2016. okay so I know it seems you know if you haven't been here a long time that wow this is not giving a lot of notice but a lot of notices have been given and when you're at adoption to hold stakeholder meetings at adoption that's not a best practice Mr flansberg's been out there for two summers you know having these meetings and I understood our earlier discussion was that we're going to bring backs we're going to adopt today and bring back some other cleanup that is more um uh inherent to how we calculate things so you know that I supported but I don't support coming into an adoption of a long time ordinance that's been a priority this Council Mr flansburg recman represent reminded us of a 2020 special Workshop we had we all sat down here and had a long Workshop so this is time going I'm ready to move and and get the vote going thank you all right so I have a motion in a second all those in favor say aye hi all those opposed bye motion carries you have that Madam Clerk okay all right sending it right back to you thank you madam mayor we're going to move on to item G1 which is city council comments oh I'm sorry I made a mistake this is uh I guess it's been a long day for me already um this is the appointment to the Truckee River flood Management Authority board of directors um Council we did receive notification from vice mayor Reese that he needed to resign from that board as the member due to some scheduling conflicts and thus this position is now open depending on who we appoint to this position there could be a subsequent vacancy in the alternate position so technically we're looking to appoint one member but if in that event we have an alternate open as well we would be looking for two appointments today okay go ahead give me an uh thank you madam mayor I'd be um honored to ask council member Martinez to fill the role as the member on the body and then I think as the alternate Miss Taylor I'd like to second that I have a motion from vice mayor Reese a second from councilman Doer all those in favor say aye aye all those opposed motion carries hold on we're waiting for it to come up I just did it yep okay um I'm not in opposition but I didn't push anything I just did it because they were rolling through it okay thank you okay go ahead uh sending it right back to you madam clerk thank you we're moving on to item H1 which is now city council comments for boards and commissions okay go ahead vice mayor thank you madam mayor and I'll be brief I wanted to extend as um the item asked for about community events just my invitation to each of you to attend the upcoming 52nd annual uh St Patrick's Day dinner which is being held on Saturday March 4th at the Circus Circus hotel from 4 to 8 30. that evening includes performances by Sierra silver strings the Sierra Highlanders pipe band plastic Patty and Irish dancers so it's a fun evening especially if you're Irish so I would love to have all of you attend and an invitation has been sent to each of you this afternoon from the Sons and Daughters of Aaron both the president and co-president for the dinner or co-chair so join us it'll be a fun time all right fantastic all right any other comments from Council thing that there are none um Madam clerk I think are we on our favorite motion no not yet we're so close no I'm just kidding all right we're working on um closing public comment I have none registered in the audience but just for the record I do need to state that we did receive three additional letters of Correspondence um either received after 4 pm yesterday uh January 24th or they were General in nature um one letter of support and two letters of concern those will be distributed to the Reno city council and a part of the permanent record and with that we are now looking for a motion to adjourn okay thank you so much I'm gonna send to you councilman Martinez I motion to adjourn the meeting I have a motion the second all those in favor say aye aye motion carries all right thanks everyone