Thank you. >> Good afternoon. >> Welcome to the 2:30 p.m. Public Works Committee meeting. I'm councelor Haller. I'll call this meeting to order agenda item number two. Majesty Pearson. >> Yes. Come on down. >> Appointment to the TOSA Arts Commission. >> I'm sorry. I was reaching. >> Oh. Okay. Appointments to the Tulsa Art Appointment to the Tulsa Arts Commission replacing Michelle Miller Deal. Term expires December 5th, 2029. Representing Council District 1. >> How are you? >> Yes, I'm well. I'm happy to be with you all today. >> Yeah, just tell us a little bit about yourself in two minutes or less. Two minutes. >> Sure. >> And tell us why you want to talk in this. >> Yes, so grateful. Um, I am a international and nationally recognized recording artist and entertainer. Um, I'm also a music and uh and uh Tulsa native. Yes. And have been strongly impacted by the programming and the um education that I received here in Tulsa and uh went on to study in New York and Chicago and some other places. And uh with the knowledge and experience that I was blessed to garner um I recognized the need and passion that I have for um empowering artistic um exploration and expression for young people. So, I've been able to travel nationally and um speak and empower hundreds of students across the nation and um here currently serving at um at Booker T and just around wherever I can serve. So, I'm happy for this opportunity and grateful. >> Thank you for your willingness to serve. Any questions or comments? >> Where were you ser? What are you doing at Booker T? Are you a teacher? >> Creative directing for the programming uh their arts program. We have a a musical coming up and a talent show and it's really just a privilege because they're so talented our kids and they need that space to um raise the standard and know that there's somebody who's been in there and wanting to support them. >> Booker T is the best the best in the whole >> that's right that's what we love to >> and what were you doing in Chicago >> in Chicago? I studied at the um high school for the performing arts. My father is a minister, the late Bishop Cton Pearson. And so he received a ministerial position and so we moved out there for several years to train there. >> I was born and raised there. >> Oh, beautiful. Yes. Being able to meet different people from different cultures and bring it back home is it's cool. How can we build here? So it's >> and love your father as well. Thank you so much. >> Blessings. Thank you. >> Majesty, do you remember me Nicole's mom? >> Yes. From from TU. >> Yes. for early education >> and Girl Scouts and all that. >> Yes. What a privilege it is to see you today. >> Good to see you, too. >> Yes. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Thank you for your service wanting to to serve and councelor Archie. I mean, even though Booker T is good, we also have other um phenomenal high schools in Tulsa, not just like well Edison Memorial. Yeah. So, absolutely. Yeah. What is the musical that you're working on at Bucker? >> Little Shop this year. >> Okay. >> A musical directed Sister Act last year. >> It was so fun. >> I didn't hear the answer to the question. >> Little shop of course is our current production. Yes. >> Wow. >> Yes. >> Yeah. It's great. Although I didn't go to school there. It sure is great to be able to connect. >> Oh, absolutely. Those kids need that that resource to let some energy out also. So, you know, so thank you very much for what you do and uh stepping up to to be on this commission. >> Sure. >> Absolutely. >> Well, thank you uh again. We will be voting on your appointment next week on March 11th at 5:00 p.m. You're welcome to come and have words if you choose, but you you're not required to attend. >> Beautiful. Thank you so much. >> Have a good time. Thanks. >> Agenda item number three, Cheryl Cohen, come on down. Another friend. >> You're the next contestant. Come on. Who wants to serve? >> Reappointed to the Greater Tulsa Area Indian Affairs Commission. Term expires January 15th, 2029. Attended nine of 10 meetings representing council district 4. >> All right. Just we all already know who you are, but tell us why you want to continue to serve in this capacity. >> Well, it's a I love this commission. I like uh the community service and I like the Native American outreach uh that we have and uh I think you all probably are aware of the fact that we're reactivating Dreamkeepers Park and trying to turn it into a cultural destination for Native Americans and it's a it's an exciting u project and I've been kind of spearheading that. I want to continue to serve and see it through. I think it'll be a wonderful uh addition to uh the neighborhood and That's my passion, I guess I should say. >> All right. Well, thank you for your continued service. Are there any questions or comments, counselor? >> Yeah. So, thank you very much again for wanting to continue to serve in this capacity. We have a a history with each other. You uh taught me how to talk trash the first time I was here. >> Wow. >> Um Well, she was on the deer board. >> She taught her well. Cheryl, you need to reel her in. I feel so proud. >> So, no, I mean you you have you have been here through the thick and thin of um the changes that we've made um in the city and especially as we are changing the trash system. So, um do you want to go back to chair? >> Uh no, I want to stay on the Indians commission. We got recycling, so I did my job as well. So, but again, thank you for um continuing wanting to um serve and uh do what uh you can in the city of Tulsa. We very much appreciate your service. >> Well, I appreciate you allowing me to serve and it's my my privilege. Uh I think more people should step up and and serve on commissions and boards for the city of Tulsa. Everybody has a voice and everybody can make a difference. >> Council, >> thank you. >> Just thank you. It's really cool that we're getting to bring that vision that you've been so key in creating to life really keepers park and so many other things in Native American day and scaling all of this. So, I'm glad you're sticking around to continue ushering it into being. It's uh you know the the Greater Tulsa Area Indian Affairs Commission is one of the oldest commissions in Tulsa and it seemed like when I first joined the commission that they were not as active as I felt like they should be and we not just myself but with new newer members that came on we became a lot more active and it is it is a lot of fun and it is a it is a lot of privilege to be able to kind of champion that effort especially starting Native American Day and this will be our 10th anniversary So, we'll be celebrating it for 10 years and we will have it at Dreamkeepers Park because I think our construction will not start till after October. >> Well, thank you. You're um voting uh on the on next week, March 11th as well. And if you're able to come, you can. It's not absolutely necessary. >> Well, thank you all very much. >> Thank you. >> Have a good afternoon. You too. Agenda item number four, Terrell Sigreed reappointment to the Tulsa Authority for Economic Opportunity. Term expires June 30, 2028. Attended 10 or 15 meetings representing council district 4. >> Thank you. Hi. >> Tell us a little bit about yourself and why you want to continue to serve. >> Terrell Sigreed. I'm deputy general counsel at Nording Group Native Tulsa. Um, these chairs are coming. >> They're terrible. >> Swallow swallow you up. >> Yeah. Um, so, um, >> it's it's my second renewal. Um, I think I think I've been on for six years and we're really starting to do some good things. I'm a native Tulsen and Tulsa's been good to to to our company and uh, like just giving back to the city. >> Thank you for your willingness to serve. Any questions or comments? >> Thank you for your willingness to serve. >> That that's all I ever say. I don't >> that's all that ever comes out of my mouth. Obviously, Terrell and I serve on the board of trustees for Teao and I serve on a subcommittee with him where he's the chair and so it's a pleasure getting to serve with you. But I told the other folks u a couple weeks ago, >> it is like drinking from a different water hose. And so it it's a challenge, but it's certainly interesting on some of the economic impacts we're >> part of. So, thank you for continuing to serve. >> Yeah, absolutely. I've enjoyed working with you on this. >> I'm sorry. Someone enjoys working with you. >> This is the trash talk. >> That's the trash. Just these two. >> We will be voting on your appointment as well next week on on the 11th. If you'll ad speak, you can, but it's not necessary. >> Okay. >> Thank you. Good afternoon. >> Agenda item number five, license agreement between the city of Tulsa and William Allen Vincent and Nina M. Vincent for property located at 3130 East 47th Street, Clay Pool subdivision to install and maintain two colored stained concrete driveways within the street rightway. This is found in council district 9. >> Yes. Paul Zachary public works. This is our standard decorative driveway uh that's built out there and um basically the the rule is if any utilities have to go through there including the city of Tulsa um we don't have to reconstruct or ranch. I mean we we try but it's not any additional cost to the public of the city for them to be in our rightway. Uh and they are aware that there any restoration above and beyond just a plain concrete patch uh is on them to have. So we're going to do that and we had no objections today by any utilities >> questions or comments. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Agenda item number six, discussion with repres representatives from the mayor's office and housing solutions. >> Thank you for doing >> regarding an operational and financial update on the safe move Tulsa initiative. Good afternoon. Um, please just a second. Um, happy to be here. >> Happy to have you. >> Thank you. Um, so today we're just last week had a whole discussion on the different phases. Today we're going to talk about from the launch November to present and give an update on um where we are in the process and look at the city's um dollars that have been committed to this project. So, first that we've just revisiting some of the terminology that um we've talked about I think in October, but just making sure pointing out that long stayers, you've heard that word and you'll see that word again. Um refers to those who are home who have been homeless for over a year. Um and rapid exits are those rapid resolutions. um individuals and families who can be served with uh minimal lowcost or one time and one-time interventions. So that is what Safe Move Tulsa is targeting um both the rapid resolutions, quick exits out of homelessness and um the street sleeping the longest stairs. So, Safe Move Tulsa, just a quick recap, expanded from um the city's initial $6 million investment focused on 300 individuals and families to um really looking at how can we take this work across Tulsa into uh private public partnership um that really addresses homelessness, encampments, and street sleeping. So, it's it's a multi-step plan that um makes shelters more efficient. We've talked some about they become waiting rooms and we're not moving people through um the beds fast enough and not utilizing that. So, this is part of of being able to create more movement through the shelters, um, getting people off of the streets and really focusing on what stabilization looks like through that needs-based plan, uh, that individualized plan um, and each person that's developed around each person. Uh, and then goal working to end street sleeping. So um the the focus over the last few month months have been cleaning up encampments connecting the dots and um Tulsson's are in safe hands. So the focus has started with safe move Tulsa on encampment decommissioning um and that has been around a four to at most fiveweek process of outreach workers going into encampments. uh making contact with individuals there, beginning that the development of that individualized plan um and working alongside law enforcement as that those plans develop. Um and then bringing on case management um as they move into housing treatment um and then post uh move in that case management is continuing um while cleaning up encampments sites are being restored and returned to their intended use. Um, and the security and monitoring of those locations are ongoing. So that's in partnership with Tulsa Police Department, city security, and if it's on private land, the private land owners. Um, and that enforces the no trespass ordinance. Um, and that monitoring has been working extremely well. I just want to talk a little bit about you can see in this picture the bottom picture um is at Eagle's Nest actually preserve that was the first encampment that was closed and then we closed there was a small piece that was still remaining to close and that happened in January. Um the closure of these encampments I think is important for on on two different parts. One, yes, people are now living moving into housing, getting the uh stabilization services that they need um and getting connected to jobs, whatever else they may be to be in a better place. but also from the city side, city assets. Take Eagle's Nest and you can see Sergeant in that picture. Prior to the closure, Tulsa Police Department Fight Patrol Division, each staff member that was responsible for patrolling Eagle's Nest was spending on average around 12 hours per week of their time patrolling Eagle's Nest. Since the closure, they're spending on average about two hours a week. So that savings in time now uh those officers can deploy that time to other projects to respond to calls for service. So really re able to utilize that time in a very different uh way. want to point out um also on our private property locations that we've been able to close, those have been high call volumes for code enforcement and code is reporting that, you know, now that those are closed, they're remaining closed. Um that allows for those officers that were h having to go to those locations to be able to focus on neighborhood needs and and other sorts of needs, high demand needs. Um, we've heard great response from Quick Trip at 96th in Riverside that they've seen a uh pretty drastic decrease in homeless population at that Quick Trip since the closure of Eagle's Nest. Uh, River Spirit Casino has reported um the same and River Trails has reported that their users of the trails are noticing a difference, noticing that it is cleaner. Uh they feel safer and so the return of of public property and private property to its intended use has many ripple effect benefits. um 68 people out of these five encampment locations and just some numbers about I going to go through the encampment decommissioning numbers first and then we'll move to some of the rapid exits but 22 so 68 folks since November 1 2 veterans um 56% been survivors of domestic violence 93% have a presence of a disability and 58 individuals outside of the 68 from these encampments. There's an additional 58 who are currently engaged with Safe Move Tulsa um as part of an ongoing decommissioning effort and we'll be able to provide an update next month. But the the other piece is 61.7 tons of trash have been cleared. And that's that's significant because now we're keeping that trash from coming back uh because those locations are um being enforced and monitored. >> I just add one additional data point. Um so from the individuals who were staying at these locations when we started the engagement process over 90% had housing. So this engagement process with outreach with housing providers with law enforcement is removing this, you know, sort of cyclical process of moving individuals around of our community and by actually getting more than a 90% success rate of individuals moving in housing. That's where we see that consistent relief uh for you know neighbors, community members, property, TPD and law enforcement businesses. Um but uh to date all those individuals are still in housing receiving support services. Just one small clarifying question. Oh, are you are you still chairing? >> Yes, she's >> I just moved. >> Okay. I didn't think she was finished with the presentation. >> I just have one data clarifying question from one of the points if that's >> okay. Yeah, go ahead. >> Just related to where it's since disability is that intellectual and physical or Okay. >> Is there a breakdown of that? I feel like that's that just helps shape there's such different elements that come into play depending on people's >> needs. Yeah, I can look into that information. Um yeah, that's >> sometimes what we can also have is you know individuals can have co-occurring conditions too and so let me see how much data we can have. >> Okay, no worries. >> I just have a real quick question what about the housing? >> So those that are being housed are they also getting the wraparound services? >> Correct. >> Okay. So, uh, unless an individual elects for something else, we have had a couple individuals who have elected to, you know, relocate and live with family and sometimes that's done in the area, but if an individual is going into a housing program, they're receiving case management services. And that's that full wraparound commitment for 12 months in addition to support making sure that the, you know, the rent is being paid and they've got that 12 months of support, >> right? But we're just not putting people that have been living outside in um somewhere with walls without offering uh the wraparound services and checking in on them on a daily basis. >> Absolutely. Yeah. And so um especially during the first few weeks as an individual moves in, those check-ins can often be daily. Um our team and the case management team actually helps with the move in process. So we have some package to make sure they have a bed. They have some basic necessities for pots and pans. uh toiletries, but those first couple of weeks are when the most intensive case management support is needed. And then as we get to a person is working, they're engaged in other services. It may not need to be dayto-day. It may need to be a weekly check-in and or phone call check-ins, but especially for the first couple of weeks when that's such a serious transition. Um that that on in-person support from case management is usually >> Okay. Is there any way that we can get more information on on that on the um the wraparound services that are being provided and help many? >> Definitely. And um at our next update, I'm going to bring um some of the case management teams that are working um here so that you can hear their experience and and what they're doing past move in date. um because those are going handinhand with the ability to participate in. >> Do you have more slides? >> Yeah. >> Um do you want to wait why do I ask your question now? >> Well, I just wanted to kind of piggy back on what was about the wraparound services and maybe it's included in the next few slides. I don't know about the number of people that are actually utilizing that. >> They're all utilizing it but it's >> what's the number? 68 or well a couple are not have moved in with family. >> Can Can I make one question? I'm sorry. There was a typo here. It's two veterans, not 22 veterans. >> Okay. I was kind of like >> I know too. And I So I'm sorry. >> I hate on that and I was like that's >> I was like oh my gosh. >> The VA would be sitting right here if it was 23 veterans with us. That's >> Yeah. >> So the 58 is what you're talking about. >> So 58 individuals are part of an effort that hasn't completed yet. So they're engaged in the next decommissioning effort. So they haven't moved into housing yet. That those are there's 58 individuals who are on our list. >> And then how many are getting the wraparound services? >> 68 that are in housing >> that are in housing and receiving wraparound services. And we have another 58 that are on a working list to move. >> That's where that 58 comes from. >> You said you said there were some that elected to just move back in with family. About how many were those? >> It's been a small number so far from some of these encampments. Um I I uh I can go back and look. I think it's been about two individuals. Some of those predate when safe with Telson because we've been working in Eagle's Nest for many months now as many folks recall. Um so there is a small number of individuals who reconnect with friends or family. We're seeing more positive impact of that from folks who are sitting sheltered, but there's been a few folks that have uh we've been able to facilitate that reconnection. >> And that's um I was going to follow up. >> Sure. And that's 68 of the 300 that we're looking at that the mayor has with phase one, >> right? 68 from these five encampment locations. >> Go ahead. >> Okay. >> Do we need to go back? >> Did you hear what she said? >> Yeah. From the encampments. 68 from the encampments. >> From five encampments. >> Five encampments. >> 68 people since November 1. >> Oh, okay. >> 58 or 68. >> 68. >> 68. Okay. And then I'll have a follow I'll wait for the >> there's 58 on a list. >> That number and those getting out of the shelter. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, we're still talking about the five encampments, the 68 individuals. These are just some some demographic. Um and the the overall goal. Um God, my thought is like worse than what I thought. uh the overall goal on where we are, what's remaining. Um age ranges, you'll see a we'll go into the shelter work here in a second and you'll see some um where there's kids involved in some of that movement. Um and then this to this breaks down typically to what we see in point in time count, the the difference between uh male and female out of the encampments. Um and then we'll move to rapid exits. And again, these are the the one-time uh lowcost minimal um services that are needed, interventions that are needed for folks who are just falling into homelessness quickly stabilizing them and getting them back out. Um and you'll see 17 people have entered into the rapid exit process. 11 of that 17 have transitioned to housing or sober living facilities. What what has been discovered is that this may not be the best process for everyone. So there's six who um did not go into this process but may be engaged in a different sort of um support process. >> I can add to this a little bit. So Tulsa Day Center um mental health is it? So the shelters that are implementing this new process Tulsa day center uh this is occurring at Salvation Army and Mental Health Association uh is providing support and at the Creo's winter shelter and so as we're learning how to really lean into this process of can we identify the individuals who just have a one-time barrier low financial support needed on one time case management like we're learning in this process as well as service providers. And so what we found is some folks we've gone through, we haven't paid for the exit in housing. We only pay once it's confirmed, but six individuals of the 17 initially enrolled, we just realized it wasn't a fit. And so they're moving into they're on the housing by name list for coordinated entry. They need a more intensive service supportet one-time assistance isn't going to be there. But 11 of the uh individuals in ter So they're exited in that this isn't the right fit for them in the rapid exit program. we're going to find another alternative. But 11 have transitioned to housing or sober living. Um, and we've found that there's just a great amount of variety that 79% of individuals have a presence of a disability but can re-enter housing with just a little bit of support. Um, we have uh veteran individuals who are survivors of domestic violence. So, we're learning a little bit that a little bit more time and intentionality about what are the barriers that are keeping an individual in shelter. Sometimes because that individual may have some other challenges doesn't mean um that they need a long-term intensity of support. For some folks, it can be that one-time assistance. And we're seeing a lot with shelters, a lot of those through connection with family um or some initial like help with first month's rent and security deposit if especially for an individual who has income such as social security, disability or employment. Um but as this activity is going, I I would just we started really focusing on rapid exit in mid January and then we got hit with a really hard snowstorm and so it's been a little bit of a process here of getting going. We do have 45 individuals that are currently working with a rapid exit specialist at these shelters and are working through finding an a route to housing. We have quite a few folks even at our winter shelter right now that have movein dates scheduled um as they can move into different apartments. And so this is something that we're going to continue to learn as a community what's really successful, who are the types of individuals that this is a good intervention. Um but over really working this essentially really only for the last 30 days um plus or minus of a snowstorm and a freeze, we're already starting to see some results. >> Um so this just some demographics of the folks who are in the rapid exit. Um you can see that in this there's more women that um are involved in this this program than before and there are some families. Um so want to talk about expenditures and I'm going to pass >> them out for you >> this document around. Can I keep one of those? >> I do want to just make note that under submitted dollars, ARPA, the $11,568 that disregard where it says paid out of advanced um it is correct on the sheet that I'm handing out. So, we started you all approved a $6 million allocation. um ARPA, Walmart opioid settlement and CRF. And what we did uh in this contract launched November 1st, um what we did was advance dollars out of C uh CRF and ARPA to Housing Solutions as the sole source contractor um so that they can ramp up the work. There's they have to get contractors. They've got to get staff hired in order to do the work. So, there's some ramp up expenses on the front end of this. Um, what has been paid to date, that 11,000 has been paid to date, that just came straight out of ARPA and not out of the advanced dollars. That's the difference. Um and then grants is in the middle of reviewing the other two submitted reimbursements um out of the ARPA funding stream and that will be credited back to the advance that was given to Housing Solutions. Um and so we are at spending 182,269 uh to date. after all the event net of everything like you take every so it's $182,000 that you've spent >> that we've spent or is in review that we've spent or is in review >> that $6 million total >> I mean 160 of that 182 is in review Right. >> That's November to now for 64 >> folks >> 68 >> 68 >> plus that >> remember uh some of this is um ramp up costs >> and >> I would just add that this is the you know I think we talked about this about like when does funding end a little bit. Some of this is as we move individuals of housing uh for the rental assistance in particular, but also the case we're committing it forward. And so uh we will see some of those dollars. There will be a ramp up in expenditures and there will be a longer timeline as we're making this that 12 month commitment. We'll see an extension in terms of when that expenses are actually incurred and and reimbursement is such. So I know that's been a question like is the money all gone by August? But you'll see dollars. >> Yeah, ARPA is that's correct. Hard deadline on ARPA. Um, but some of this is the ramp up and also the expenditures is the commitment forward. >> So, can I ask? >> Oh, is it? >> Yeah, >> she's not quite finished, but you need is it related to this? >> Go ahead. You okay? Um, I'm just wondering what the breakdown is for the actual cost to stand up for staffing as opposed to the cost of what's been utilized for actual services for the >> Yeah, we will I'll be able to provide a better detail just because only 11,000 has been paid out right now and the others in review. So, as soon as Grants approves that, then I'll be able to provide a better breakdown. Um, right now it's going to be on the higher end of standing up services, staffing, some of those costs. Um, and then once we start housing more, I mean, right now there's close to 80 folks who are in the beginning side of um, working towards moving out of their condition, their current location and condition that they're in into um, a pathway of stability. And so those will those dollars will quickly start being utilized more. >> I just like to see that breakdown with staff counselors whatever. >> As soon as these two buckets have been approved, I can it it will provide I'll be able to provide that for you. >> Thank you. This is helpful because it totals to the six million. So the column on the left totals to 6 million for people following along at home that don't have this handout. But when we're talking about dollars running out, where's the 4 million in private factored into what we're talking about today? >> Yeah, that's a good question. So, um that So, we're just focused on the 300 for 6 million in this update. >> Okay. >> Um I can get the 4 million piece. >> So, it's threeund for 6 million, not the 10 or 11. So I would love if if the council is okay with this moving forward to start bringing these updates about the interwoven public private partnership because they're so interwoven at this point. >> We have to yeah >> I don't want to talk about them in isolation. >> Perfect. That would help future funding. >> Yeah, that would be so um can easily provide how they're interwoven. Um, some of that was in the slides last week, but happy to give the update on what's been expended to date. >> Yeah, the table you gave us last week had those like that column of the benchmarks. >> I think for us as decision makers and policy makers, the more information that we receive week to week that is congruent would be helpful. >> Sure. >> Um, if we're going to talk about overhead and direct expenses, then like if we can just start having that table or chart or however you want to communicate it to us. um because we receive a lot of information all day long and this is like our time to focus in on this but like this is not necessarily even matching that and my brain is getting a little scrambled and then we know about the 4 million the table we got last week articulated that this one doesn't so as we're going through this exercise to answer the question how do we sustain this I think the more clarity we can have on the information week after week the better just for our um under like the depth of our understanding. >> So, do you want the to to clarify, do you want the city dollars broken out within that overall >> um or >> I think it'd be most helpful. I mean, I think if you're tracking ARPA versus opioid versus CRF versus private dollars, like have a different bar line for each. I understand like we're all agreeing ARPA needs to go in first because it's time bound and we need we don't want to have to like oops we didn't use them let's send them back right I'm guessing the private dollars don't need to be spent as fast opioid has a very narrow restriction on it >> but it could also be yeah for what subject >> yeah what programmatic item that they >> because we are also looking I mean we've been proposed one idea of how to fund this >> past the initial phase we are also looking at other concepts but we need to understand like where they weave in. >> Yes. >> So we can get the full picture. The other thing is we know um a lot of us uh either serve on nonprofits or run nonprofits. We know there's like a front-loaded cost to launch a thing and that's a one-time cost to kind of you know get started. But I think it would be helpful for us to get a sense of what that reoccurring costs are or the anticipated future. You know once we hit a threshold here for your case load, right? our mobile our like if people are not falling off as fast like just kind of what you're you're thinking for like once we get past this initial because what we're being told is you know if you don't get those dollars right away it's all going to go away and we're trying to figure out like what the pace of that is >> um because it's asynchronous right >> depending on the actual individuals you're trying to serve and circumstances beyond your control like you had to flex to the imminent snowstorm with the same people that are still trying to do this. So, we know that like it's going to be like a push pull. >> Yeah, I I'd appreciate that. It's actually easier because that's how we're thinking about >> Yeah. Just give it all to us. >> Yeah. And I I do think it would be helpful for some of the like kind of what Jackie said, being able to see the pro, you know, staffing program or like those direct service line items >> like the way that one of those key to home documents looked. I could send them. I was like, "Oh, that's helpful to understand like this much was like, you know, worth like the rental assistance line item, the like case management line item that just so we can understand because I know that has to do with what kind of funding could when you're doing upgrading could qualify for these things." >> Same thing with like limitations, vouchers, right? We learned last week that we're limited on permanent supportive housing options, which is why now we're doing this other approach because we don't have control over that. >> But that'll we still have things we're trying to get done. >> Yeah. And I think that'll just help better equip us when we have when we can see that breakout by Like it doesn't have to get so incredibly granular words like toothbrush, but you know what I mean? Like just so we can just so we can see or start getting creative ourselves with what are some other buckets where we go, oh, this can qualify for those dollars for this type of work. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So can provide just because we're only month beginning month four, right? >> So can provide projected >> as well as extended. Yeah. >> Yeah. Like typical nonprofit budget stuff basically. >> Yeah. >> Um this is really the end of it. Our partners. >> Okay. >> And other questions or comments, council liken and council. >> Yeah. Just on this money issue. So I'll go back a little bit to what I was asking about last week. Um, it's confusing because it's confusing for I think counselors and it's confusing I think for the public to to be told we have a funding cliff and then to see that we've expended 182 >> of 6 million just on the public side not even counting the additional monies that's out there. So, you know, if somebody is to pick up this, they're like, "Well, what what's the issue? Where's the buyer?" >> Yeah. >> It doesn't look like we have any problems meeting our current needs at all. So, I I know what you're going to try to show, but we're all pretty comfortable reading >> balance sheets >> and income statements. So maybe we can try that to show how many assets we truly have, what the liabilities of those assets are. And then on the income statement side, I mean, we know how much income we have. And then it's going to show a relatively small number. I mean, there could be payables that are out there and things that would be reflected on the the financial statements, but it may get us a a clear picture of of what's going on. may be may be helpful in having other people understand it as well. >> We we have charts that are that have been distributed by you prepared by clutch I think and and those don't correlate with this information at all and and I >> if we're using a common set of documents every single time to see what's out rather than injecting new documents. I I know what you're trying to say and and trying to communicate, but when we see this, it just communicates a different story than the one we've seen in other documents. So, so maybe the same one. >> You don't have to put I don't know what your background is. I I don't want anybody to have to put a balance sheet or an income statement together. um if they don't know how to put one together, you know, get there's financial experts out there who can help us with this, but at the end of the day, if we can show all the money that's come in, >> I don't I don't know if I really care about the the sources, coloring the sources. I know somebody said that. >> Um maybe there is a way to do that on one set and another way to do that. I know the way not to do that on the other set since we kind of have a a partnership >> or they're blended or maybe they're not blended. So you help me with that part. >> Some have restrictions on them. >> Some have restrictions. >> Well, and that's what as a clarifying question. This doesn't include >> there's a way to do it from an accounting. >> This doesn't include all the dollars that have gone to the case management through like private foundation. >> This is strictly a city update. And so >> I guess I thought it was like of the whole program going back to of the whole program I think would be most helpful knowing that there could be a million dollars of other spends out there for the program. >> We're just not getting the full picture. That's what I'm trying to help is if you have a consolidated >> statement of financials. You can do one set of financials for the city, one set of financials for the other side. >> You got that >> roll it up to the top. >> Somebody >> Nobody in accounting is here. >> Proono accounting. I'm not going to say no. We could always use more accountants but >> Well, it must be tracked on the back end with the reimburseables >> like in the system in units or whatever they're >> for the city side. >> Yeah. I I I guess yeah you know how much you know what your recruiting expenses are >> but Housing Solutions is tracking it for all funding streams. So >> okay so we can provide that. >> Yeah. No that's why I'm nodding because I'm happy to this actually requires us to pull things out. So this is actually better for us. Um, and we I'm I'm glad to talk about it as a it is a public private partnership in the broader picture. And the part that I think we can figure out how to articulate a little better is some of the obligated dollars moving forward so we can understand what's already been committed even if it hasn't been spent yet. And so I'll get with our our finance team on how we can do that without it needing to be a 40 workbook spreadsheet um to >> Yeah, it may it may be you can consolidate it all onto the balance sheet so at least we can see what payables are on the liability section but it may not be that easy. >> Yeah. >> So >> we don't have to you don't have to like open up that that sheet so we see every single line item. >> Yeah. >> Um just a top level. I mean, we've got all the way down to the detail, >> too. Please bring her send those. Then >> I just feel like I don't want to be labor or waste like time looking at these tiny pieces in isolation. It just feels like my opic or maybe not productive. Like now that I think more about what we're able to see here in the absence of getting the bigger picture, it's all like because it all lacks context of a whole, it's actually like not that the the work is powerful and meaningful. And I know you all are working really hard at it, but the information we're getting today is like >> kind of useless. And I feel bad. I'm so sorry to say that like but I'm just naming because we're not seeing a bigger picture both for the numbers as part of any hole whether that's service delivery numbers of like what's happened and how much more there is to go as far as who who we need to address the money and how much other contextual money is in the mix to make this powerful important work you guys are leading like with real purpose and outcomes be as high impact as it is because this is just these little microcosms without that I just feel like I don't actually know how to take anything away from any of this data those vague. >> Yeah, >> sure. >> Yeah, I >> think we'd be happy to like spend some time on this and bring it back. >> Do you want to have us again? >> Please, if if you'll sit down with us, >> council Bingle. >> Uh, obviously these aren't our taxpayer dollars that are doing all this. This is our opioid CRF, the balance of our CRF funding. Um, and I'm going to continue to bring this up every time we have this conversation about dollars. This isn't a city of Tulsa problem. It's a regional problem. And so, I'm going to keep bringing back to the table every time we talk about funding. Are we having or convening conversations with these adjoining communities that are also impactful uh that we're helping? because this doesn't all just land on the backs of the taxpayers that have citiz the citizens of Tulsa. So, I want to make sure that we're still trying to potentially convene conversations with those neighboring communities that we're helping um with these rap these costs that are associated by doing this work. They have an equal investment in this and getting this problem solved. So, I'm going to make sure that we're having that discussion when we talk about future funding and ramp up of funding perpetually year-over-year. >> We are open to any conversation, >> but I wouldn't be the convenor of that conversation. I would expect the folks who are working in this space to be the conveners of those conversations >> or the executive of the cities that are trying to solve these problems. Totally agree because like I said last I think the last time we had this discussion I'm going to not going to name but every single person I've ever spoken to has witnessed for themselves communities dumping their homeless into our pop into our city. And so that puts that on the backs of the taxpayers of the citizens of Tulsa. And that's not right. And we should know that's not correct. So >> maybe we who's representing us at Incog. >> I bet Anthony is one of the counselors. >> I mean maybe we can put it on the agenda >> for like >> a discussion. >> And I think potentially Karen, this was one of the things we were hoping to talk to with our county commissioners specifically about this >> county. That's who. >> But who is the expert? Who would facilitate that conversation? I think that's a conversation that must be had. >> Well, maybe the Tulsa Leadership Council because their employees don't all live in the city of Tulsa, they work in the city of Tulsa, but >> and I don't want to >> commuting in as well. >> Turn this into a rant, but our pay count doesn't just do within the city of Tulsa. Correct. >> Correct. >> So again, that's kind of what why I'm saying what I'm saying. >> The services are all Exactly. And so I want to make sure that it's not that they're quote unquote paying their fair share, but they understand this is their investment too and they have to have >> they have a dog in fight in this too. So how we convene that, how we facilitate that, I'll leave that to the experts that are doing this work. >> I make it right >> um on the ARPA here. So, it's been a minute since I was directly involved, but I think December 2026 is like the drop dead. Everything has to be in for reimbursement right? >> So, Grants usually wants it in. When they say August, that's because that's the date that grants needs that turned in because grants needs time to go through the receipts and make sure everything's reimburseable and and all of that kind of stuff. >> So, do you anticipate being able to by August get through this 1.5? Absolutely. >> At the pace that we're on right now. >> Yeah. And >> because we're only at 182 right now, >> right? Remember, we've just started those that rapid resolution out of shelters. It's just beginning. We've been and so that >> yeah, four months, but we have four months till August. So, that's a huge acceleration. But that's more people and it moves faster >> and there's a little bit of a delay in process between costs incurred by partner than housing solutions than to the city in terms of like those costs being blowing up. And so yeah, we this is part of our projections is understanding that we have to spend those dollars by August. And then this is where again having so many different funding sources is great when you have it, but you have to manage it. you know, for an individual if we committed 12 months to of assistance, but August is not 12 months. Making sure that we have the next funding source of mind to meet that commitment as part of our ongoing work. But so in terms of expenditures here, um the opioid dollars are critically important. We are frontloading on ARPA and uh we are projected to spend down by by our deadline with the Oh, councelor Dutton and then councelor Bush. Sorry, >> I thought you were nodding. Sorry, >> this may be advanced. I'm not sure. Um, >> so we're looking at these ARPA funds that will expire in August and then these opioid opioid abatement funds that are restricted. So that's the substantial bucket of the money that we're looking at. >> So that's expected to be expended by the end of this year. Correct. ARPA >> the >> yeah I I know ARPA and ARPA and August but the uh abatement so I'm just looking at the different phases that we've been talking about and that would leave just say out of that 6 million that 231,000 basically >> not ne not necessarily expended allocated >> allocated right okay for up to basically the end of the year and the number of >> it could it could be and past that because um if someone if someone comes into the program say in July or August >> it could be past >> the end of the calendar year >> um with the opioid dollars if they're but but they would be allocated for that >> that's what had mentioned in the meeting that's why there was confusion about people versus dollars we were talking 300 people and then we were talking well because if somebody gets approved in July, that still takes it into next year, right? So, the allocations then would be pushed forward for that, but that would still be from that initial bucket of money. Okay, that's that's what I'm trying to wrap my head around is that bucket of money that and then when that's gone, that's um the opioid dollars. Are you all reapplying again for the AG's monies? >> Um, looking looking at that, um, I'm not sure I know there's several different departments that are looking at at what that process going to be look going to look like, but yes, there will be an application from the city. >> Okay, good. Because I think I remember right, I'm sorry, on so many different committees. I think we extended that to a two-year grant application. So it's not yearbyear or two year >> be very helpful. Yeah, I think that's what you said. >> Um I think we approved that if I remember right, but I can clarify for you. Okay. >> On that one on the AG. >> Sure. >> That would be helpful. >> Okay. Yeah. Thank you. >> Any other questions? >> That makes it easier. >> Yes. >> Than doing that yearly renewal. So >> I thought I'd just cluster it up a little more for you to >> spend somebody else's money. >> Any other questions? >> Oh yeah. comments. >> All right, we're Thank you.