>>COUN. LEWIS: THE 7 17 LTH . >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL COUNCILORS ARE PRESENT. WE'LL HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. >>COUN. GROUT: CIVIC PLAZA PARKING PASSES ARE PROVIDED FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. YOU CAN OBTAIN ONE NEAR THE CHAMBERS ENTRANCE. MEMBERS OF THE -- AND ON LIVE STREAM THROUGH FOUR DIFFERENT PLATFORMS. GOVTV ON COMCAST CHANNEL 16. GOVTV WEBSITE, YOU TUBE AND ZOOM. LIVE STREAMS CAN BE ACCESSED FROM MOST SMART PHONES, TABLETS OR COMPUTERS. ALSO THIS MEETING IS CLOSED CAPTIONED AND YOU MAY ENABLE AT THIS TIME. THE VIDEO RECORDING OF THIS AND ALL PAST COUNCIL MEETINGS WILLRY MAIN FOR VIEWING ON THE CITY COUNCIL WEBSITE. COUNCIL STAFF IS AVAILABLE VIA TELEPHONE IF MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC NEED HELP FINDING THEM ONLINE. CALL 505-768-3100 DURING BUSINESS HOURS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY 8 A.M. TO 5 P.M. THE COUNCIL WILL TAKE A BREAK AT 7 P.M. THIS EVENING. WITH REGARD TO DECORUM WE WANT TONIGHT'S PROCEEDING TO BE AS CIVIL AND RESPECTFUL AS POSSIBLE. NO PERSONAL ATTACKS OR NO OUTBURS DURING THE MEETING. MR. PRESIDENT. TONIGHT'S AGENDA NOTED AN EXECUTIVE SESSION UNDER OTHER BUSINESS. PLEASE BE ADVISED THIS EXECUTIVE SESSION WILL BE POSTPONED UP THE THE OCTOBER 21st, 2024 COUNCIL MEETING. ALL RIGHT. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT. NO PROCLAMATIONS OR PRESENTATION. WE'LL GO TO THE ADMINISTRATION Q&A. TRY TO HOLD THIS TO FIVE OR TEP -- TEN MINUTES, IF WE CAN. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION? COUNCILOR PEÑA AND COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. FOR THE ADMINISTRATION, WE HAVE A CONSTITUENT WHO JUST SENT A TEXT EARLIER TODAY SAYING THAT WE HAVE REQUESTED 311 OR SOMETHING AND ASKED ME TO ASK THE ADMINISTRATION. HE'S BEEN WAITING A MONTH. DO YOU KNOW WHERE THAT'S AT? >> COUNCILOR PEÑA, YES, I HAVE THE DIRECTOR OF SOLID WASTE HERE TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE. AND TO EXPLAIN. >>COUN. PEÑA: OKAY, THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING. >>COUN. PEÑA: HI. >> WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION, PLEASE? >>COUN. PEÑA: I HAD A CONSTITUENT CALL ME OR TEXT ME, I SHOULD SAY, AND ASK ME THAT HE SENT A 311 OR CALL CONCERNING THE TRASH CAN. I THINK HE SENT A PICTURE AND SAID HE HAS BEEN WAITING A MONTH FOR THE TRASH CAN. JUST WONDERING IF WE CAN GET THIS ISSUE RESOLVED? >> SURE. COUNCILOR PEÑA, THE COMPANY IS ABOUT A MONTH OR TWO MONTHS BEHIND DUE TO AN ORDER. WHAT WE DID IS RECENTLY PICKED UP TWO ADDITIONAL TEMP STAFF. WE HAD TWO PEOPLE RETIRE. FOR THE TRUCKS WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE ON EACH ROUTE. WE HAVE FOUR ROUTES GOING OUT. WE AVERAGE 35 STOPS PER EACH TRUCK PER DAY. WE'RE ROUGHLY A MONTH BEHIND ON SOME OF THEM. THE HIS IS TOTALLY BROKE AND CAN'T ROLL IT OUT TO THE CURB, WE TRY TO BUMP THOSE UP TO THE FRONT. >>COUN. PEÑA: OKAY. I'LL SEND OVER HIS CONTACT INFORMATION BECAUSE I THINK THE CAN WAS CRUSHED BY ONE OF OUR TRUCKS. >> OH, OKAY. IN A CASE LIKE THAT, WE'LL -- >>COUN. PEÑA: HE JUST REACHED OUT TODAY. I'LL FORWARD YOUR INFORMATION. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: I'LL SAY I'VE WORKED WITH YOUR DEPARTMENT ON SIMILAR ISSUES. THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB STAYING ON TOP OF THOSE AND MAKING THOSE A PRIORITY. I KNOW THOSE ARE A GREAT NEED. I KNOW THERE'S TRASH CANS THAT ARE 25 YEARS. THEY HAVE A LIFE TO THEM. OTHER CONSTITUENTS AND YOUR DEPARTMENT HAS DONE A GREAT JOB GETTING THAT DONE. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE BOOSTING STAFF TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE. THANK YOU. OKAY, COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I WANTED TO ASK IF YOU CAN ADD MY REQUEST FOR A BEEN THAT I PUT IN ON JULY 29th. I'VE BEEN PATIENT. SIPS -- SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT. I PUT IN A RECYCLE BIN REQUEST FOR A CAN THAT WAS CRUSHED. >>COUN. LEWIS: ANYBODY NEED THEIR TRASH CAN REPLACED? THIS IS HANDS UP IF YOU WANT TO CATCH THAT AS WELL. ANY STAFF? >> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THAT. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. NOW WE'RE GOING TO COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, IN ALL FAIRNESS, I HAVE ONE THAT NEEDS REPLACING. I DIDN'T REPORT IT. IT'S MY FAULT, NOT YOURS. >>COUN. LEWIS: SEVERAL OTHERS AS WELL. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, WE GOT AN EMAIL ABOUT A PROTEST THAT OCCURRED ON 8th AND CENTRAL THIS LAST WEEKEND. AND YOU KNOW, GREAT, FINE. BUT IN THE EMAIL IT DESCRIBES PEOPLE TAKING DOWN THE AMERICAN FLAG IN THE ROUND ABOUT, STOMPING ON IT, SAYING BURN IT. SOMETHING ABOUT SPILLING RED PAINT EVERYWHERE. AND GRAFFITIING. THE EMAILS SAID THAT TOP DOGS TOLD US NOT TO INTERVENE ANDTOWNED TO ALLOW WHATEVER ADDITIONAL BEHAVIORS ARE HAPPENING. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT VANDALISM, GRAFFITI? I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE CAN STOMP ON THE AMERICAN FLAG, I DON'T CONDONE IT. WHEN IT COMES TO CITY PROPERTY AND GRAFFITI AND VANDALISM AND THE PAINT, WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT ENFORCING THAT LAW? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, COMMANDER HERNANDEZ IS HERE TO DISCUSS THIS SPECIFIC ISSUE. I WILL SAY THAT I DID SEE ON THE FLAG PORTION OF THIS OUR OFFICERS WERE ABLE TO RECOVER THE FLAG AND THEY DID TREAT IT WITH RESPECT. ON YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION, I THINK COMMANDER HERNANDEZ CAN SPEAK TO HOW WE WORK TO BALANCE IN THOSE SITUATIONS. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, TALK TO YOU GUYS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL BACK IN 2020 WHEN WE HAD A LOT OF PROTESTS BECAUSE OF OUR PROCEDURES THAT TAKE PLACE. WE HAVE PROCEDURES IN PLACE THAT ACTUALLY SEE THE FACT THAT WHEN PROPERTY DAMAGE DOES OCCUR. WHY WE WERE SO SUCCESSFUL IN THE PAST IS EYES ON THE GROUND. WORST THING WE WANT TO DO AS POLICE OFFICERS OBSTRUCT A PROTEST WHERE MAYBE TWO INDIVIDUALS ARE CAUSING A LOT OF THE HAVOC. WE MAKE SURE ONCE THEY SEPARATE FROM THE GROUPS THAT'S WHEN WE TAKE ACTION. THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS HAVE OUR OFFICERS TRY TO ENFORCE SOMETHING OR INTERVENE WHEN THERE'S NOT LIFE BEING THREATENED AND BE SURROUNDED AND HAVE MORE ISSUES COME UP BECAUSE OF THAT. WE'RE VERY PARTICULAR OF WHEN WE RESPOND AND DURING THIS OCCASION THE OFFICERS WERE SUCCESSFUL -- I WOULDN'T SAY INTERVENE, BUT COLLECT THE FLAG WITHOUT DISRUPTION WITH THE PROTESTERS AND NOT CAUSE ANY ISSUES. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, COMMANDER, THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. I'M VERY HAPPY THAT THE FLAG WAS TREATED WITH RESPECT IN THE END. BUT WHAT ABOUT VANDALIZING, DAMAGING, AND DESTROYING AND STEALING PROPERTY? WHAT ARE WE DOING TO ENFORCE THAT? IF WE'RE NOT ENFORCING THAT FOR THE CITY PROPERTY, HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO TELL CONSTITUENTS WE'RE THERE TO PROTECT THEIR PROPERTY? >> YOU UNDERSTAND WE ARE ENFORCING. THERE'S EYES ON THE GROUND. THERE'S FULL CONTACT. EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE HAS A DIFFERENT RESPONSE. BUT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE WE RESPOND AND RESPECT EVERYONE PEACEFULLY ALONG WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE PROTESTING PEACEFULLY THERE COULD BE AGTATERS. WE'LL RESTOPPED TO THOSE ACCORDINGLY. THE BIGGEST THING AS A COUNCIL AND THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE, YOU HAVE TO TRUST THAT WE WILL PROTECT THE CITIZENS WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO THE SITUATION. >>COUN. BASSAN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. ONE MORE, I DO TRUST AND I TRY EVERY DAY TO TRUST IN ALL OF WHAT YOU DO FOR US. THANK YOU. CAN YOU TELL US, I'M NOT ASKING FOR PERSONAL DETAILS OR ANYTHING, BUT THE INDIVIDUALS THAT DID GRAFFITI THE POLE AND DAMAGE THE POLE AND POURED RED PAINT EVERYWHERE, WERE THEY CITED? WERE THEY APPREHENDED? WAS THERE A PENALTY FOR THAT? >> I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. I'LL BE SURE TO GET THAT TO YOU. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. >>COUN. BASSAN: THAT'S OKAY. I'D LIKE TO HAVE REASSURANCE THAT SOMETHING HAPPENED TO PEOPLE THAT MAKE BAD DECISIONS IN THE COMMUNITY. >>COUN. LEWIS: SIR, I REITERATE THAT. THIS COUNCIL MAKES LAWS, PUTS LAWS IN PLACE. TO HEAR SOMETHING LIKE THE HIGHER-UPS CHOSE NOT TO ENFORCE THIS -- THAT COULD HAVE BEEN MISCONSTRUED IN SOME WAYS, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. YOU ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU KNOW WE WANT TO ENSURE OUR LAWS ARE ENFORCED. AND SOMETHING AS BLATANT AS THAT, STEALING CITY PROPERTY, VANDALIZINGING CITY PROPERTY DONE RIGHT BEFORE THE EYES OF YOU ALL, WE WOULD EXPECT THAT LAWS ARE ENFORCED IN THIS CITY. NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, NO MATTER WHAT ISSUE IT IS. SO, I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU GETTING BACK TO US ON THAT. YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT WE'RE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE CITIZEN OF THE CITY TOO TO KNOW THAT OUR LAWS WERE ENFORCED. AND IF THEY WEREN'T ENFORCED WE WANT TO KNOW WHY. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT. I'LL GET YOU THAT INFORMATION. I DO WANT TO TELL YOU THAT THEY -- WE DO ENFORCE. >>COUN. LEWIS: IN THIS SITUATION, THE INDICATION IS THAT IT'S NOT ENFORCED. >> I'LL GET THAT. I DON'T HAVE IT READILY AVAILABLE. I'LL GET IT TO YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, COMMANDER. I WAS THERE. I WAS THERE WHEN THE INCIDENT TOOK PLACE. IT WAS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WENT DOWN, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS HAPPENING. BUT THEY WERE EXPRESSING THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO PROTEST. THAT'S OKAY TO DO THAT. WHERE UNDERSTAND THERE'S LIMITS. BUT I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING. AS A VETERAN, AS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN THERE, I HAVE PERSONAL OPINIONS. I WOEPT WON'T EXPRESS NOW. FOR THE MOST PART IT WAS PEACEFUL. I WANT TO COMMEND THE OFFICERS. THEY HANDLED THEMSELVES WELL, WITH DIGNITY, AND RESPECT. NOBODY WAS HURT. YES, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT SHOULD BE DEALT WITH AND ACKNOWLEDGED. BUT, YOU KNOW? I EXPRESS COMMENDATION OF THE OFFICERS. >> THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: I DON'T THINK ANYONE TAKES ISSUE WITH THE RIGHT TO PROTEST. I DON'T THINK ANYONE ON THIS COUNCIL OR THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY TAKE ISSUE WITH THE RIGHT TO PROTEST. BUT AGAIN, DAMAGING CITY PROPERTY, STEALING CITY PROPERTY, WE WOULD EXPECT AND THE CITIZENS WOULD EXPECT THERE BE CITATIONS AND ARRESTS TO BE MADE WHEN THAT HAPPENS. AND IF THERE WAS NOT AN ARREST MADE, OR CITATIONS MADE TO THOSE WHO DAMAGED CITY PROPERTY AND STOLE CITY PROPERTY, I WANT TO KNOW WHY. AND I WOULD EXPECT A FULL REPORT ON THAT. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. DR. SENGEL, I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU. THE CPOA HAS OUTGROWN THEIR SPACE QUITE A WHILE AGO. I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE PROGRESS UPDATE IS FOR GETTING THEM INTO A LARGER SPACE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR GROUT, WE'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW. I ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH MS. MCDERMOTT EARLIER. SHE'S GOING TO LOOK AT SPACE WITH MR. MARTINEZ, DIRECTOR OF GSD, LATER TODAY -- OR TOMORROW. NOT TODAY. WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON BOTH THAT NEED BECAUSE IT'S VERY SPECIFIC, THEY CANNOT BE LOCATED BASED UPON THE ORDINANCE IN CITY HALL. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT. YOU -- MY HOPE IS TO HAVE THAT WRAPPED UP AND SENT DOWN TO COUNCIL, THE RECOMMENDATION, VERY QUICKLY. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU. AWESOME. THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE. MR. PRESIDENT, I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT TO MAKE. THERE'S AN ORDINANCE IN ALBUQUERQUE, IT'S THE HEALTH SAFETY AND SANITATION ORDINANCE. CHAPTER 8, SECTION TWO, IT'S A MISDEMEANOR TO POST ILLEGAL -- OR SIGNS ON LAMPPOSTS, FACILITY POLES, TREES, MEDIANS AND BUILDINGS. AND IF YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED, THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE IN ALBUQUERQUE, ALL OVER. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH MR. MONTOYA AND MR. SOURISSEAU AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU CLEANING UP. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A COMPETITION ON WHO CAN PULL THOSE DOWN. I LOVE THAT. I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU. IT REALLY MAKES A DIFFERENCE. I APPRECIATE THAT. WHEN I VISIT OTHER CITIES, I DON'T SEE THE SIGNS. I WANT PEOPLE WHEN THEY CAME HERE, I DON'T WANT THEM TO SAY THERE'S SIGNS EVERYWHERE THAT SHOULDN'T BE. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ AND COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS QUESTION IS FOR THE CAO. IN REFERENCE TO THE WINDOW BREAK GRANT FIX AND HOW CUMBERSOME THE PROCESS IS. I WAS ACTUALLY A VICTIM OF A WINDOW BREAK. AND WHEN I LOOKED UP WHAT YOU NEED TO DO FOR THE FIX, NOT THAT I'M TRYING TO GAIN ANY MONEY, I JUST WANT TO SEE HOW IT LOOKS AND HOW IT WORKS. TO THIS DAY I STILL HAVE NOT HAD A POLICE REPORT TAKEN. THE WAY THE WHOLE THING WORKS IS YOU END UP HAVING TO HAVE A POLICE REPORT, AM I CORRECT, TO GET THAT GRANT. WHEN I CALLED APD TO ACTUALLY GET THE POLICE REPORT I WAS TOLD THAT I WOULD BE CONTACTED BY TELEPHONE REPORTING UNIT. NO INVESTIGATION DONE. NONE AT ALL. THEY NEVER SENT A POLICE OFFICER. THERE'S NOBODY TO LOOK ADD THE CAMERAS, NOBODY CAME TO SEE IF THEY CAN IDENTIFY ANYBODY. THEY IMMEDIATELY SAID THEY CAN'T DO THAT. THEY WILL SEND ME TO THE TELEPHONE REPORTING UNIT. SO, WHAT THEY DID IS TRIED TO TRANSFER ME TO THE TELEPHONE REPORTING UNIT WHICH IT JUST RANG AND RANG. AND FINALLY SOMEBODY ANSWERED, THEY GRABBED A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION AND THEN THEY SAID WE'LL MAKE SURE THE TELEPHONE REPORTING UNIT CALLS ME BACK. AT THAT POINT, I WENT AHEAD AND ASKED THEM IF THERE WAS A NUMBER THAT I COULD CALL BACK BECAUSE I'M A BUSINESS OWNER AND MOST BUSINESS OWNERS ARE REALLY BUSY. AND THEY SAID NO, THERE'S NO NUMBER. WE'LL CALL YOU BACK. THEY CALLED ME BACK A COUPLE OF TIMES, BUT I WASN'T ABLE TO TALK TO THEM BECAUSE OF COURSE I'M RUNNING A BUSINESS. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY STOPPED CALLING ME BACK. I HAVE NO WAY TO CALL BACK. THEY NEVER SAID HERE'S A NUMBER FOR YOU TO CALL BACK. I STILL HAVEN'T HAD A POLICE REPORT. STILL HAVEN'T HAD ANYBODY SHOW UP TO MY BUSINESS TO DO AN INVESTIGATION TO SEE WHAT IS GOING ON. AND SO IF THESE SAME BUSINESS OWNERS AROUND TOWN ARE HAVING THIS KIND OF PROBLEM THEN HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET THAT GRANT MONEY TO THEM? I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO REQUIRE A POLICE REPORT, FOR ONE. I THINK YOU NEED TO BASICALLY HAVE SOMEBODY FROM THAT GRANT UNIT GO OUT IMMEDIATELY AND EXECUTE. WHAT I MEAN BY EXECUTE, IF THEY SEE THERE'S AN ISSUE, WRITE THEM A CHECK THEN AND THERE. OR HAVE THEM GET AN ESTIMATE FOR THE REPAIRS, RIGHT THEN AND THERE. AND THEN AT THAT POINT, WE CAN WORK ON THE POLICE STUFF LATER BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE NEED THEIR WINDOWS FIXED THAT DAY. WE CAN'T LEAVE OUR WINDOWS UNFIXED. THEY NEED TO BE FIXED IMMEDIATELY. FOR THIS GRANT TO HAVE ANY LEGS OR ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO MATTER, OR ANY WAY IT'S GOING TO MATTER, YOU NEED TO EXECUTE. RIGHT NOW, THIS IS NOT AN EXECUTION. IT IS JUST SOMETHING THAT HAS GONE ON, AND ON, AND ON. I'M ALREADY ON MY SECOND WEEK WAITING FOR A CALL BACK. >> COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, IT'S AN UNFORTUNATE LOOPHOLE THAT SHOULD BE CLOSED RELATED TO THE PHONE CALL AND THE PHONE NUMBER. THAT PART WE CAN WORK TO MAKE SURE TO CLOSE THAT LOOP, NOT ONLY WITH YOU, BUT IN THE PROCESS. WE'LL WORK ON THAT. THE PRIMARY REASON, AND IT IS IMPORTANT FOR THAT POLICE REPORT, IS THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE FACT THAT THESE GRANTS ARE BEING MADE BECAUSE THEY'RE A PUBLIC FACTOR. AND THAT IS HOW WE ARE JUSTIFYING IT THROUGH THE ANTI- DONATION CLAUSE AND THE INVESTMENT TO MAKE SURE BUSINESSES HAVE PUBLIC SAFETY TO THEIR ENVIRONMENT. WE KNOW BROKEN WINDOWS CAN LEAD TO ADDITIONAL CRIME AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PREVENT. THE STUFF WE'RE TRYING TO PUT IN PLACE IS ACTUALLY ASSOCIATED WITH ENSURING WE CAN JUSTIFY THIS THROUGH BOTH PUBLIC SAFETY AND TO ENSURE WE'RE NOT VIOLATING, AS I SAID, ANTI- DONATION CLAUSE STATE LAW. I DO KNOW THOSE ARE STEPS THAT ADDS TO A PROCESS FOR THE BUSINESSES, BUT IT ALLOWS US THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS WORK, AND DO IT IN A WAY THAT SUPPORTS BUSINESSES. OUR GOAL IS TO DO IT QUICKLY, AND TO DO IT AS SOON AS WE HAVE THAT PAPERWORK. OUR INTENTION TO GET THOSE DOLLARS BACK TO THE BUSINESSES AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. WE'LL DEFINITELY LOOK AT THIS ISSUE RELATED TO THE TELEPHONE REPORTING AND MAKE SURE THAT IS FAR MORE SEAMLESS AND ENSURE FOLKS CAN CALL BACK WHEN THEY HAVE THE TIME. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE. I AGREE WITH THAT. I HAVE THE SAME CIRCUMSTANCES IN MY LIFE, AND WHEN YOU I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET A CALL BACK AND IT DOESN'T WORK OUT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: IF I'M DEALING WITH THE SAME ISSUES THAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE, THIS IS THE FOURTH TIME MY WINDOWS HAVE BEEN BROKEN SINCE JANUARY. THESE ARE EXPENSIVE FIXES. AND ME BEING AN INSURANCE AGENT KNOWS THAT YOU CAN'T CALL YOUR INSURANCE AGENT OVER AND OVER BECAUSE THEY WILL CANCEL YOU. THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE NEED MORE AM ENFORCEMENT AND MORE POLICE OFFICERS IN THE STREET. AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE GETTING MORE OFFICERS. IF WE'RE NOT GETTING MORE OFFICERS I HOPE YOU REALLY MAKE SURE THE CHIEF IS DOING THEIR JOB, AND IF THEY'RE NOT, YOU NEED TO FIND A CHIEF TO FULFILL THE OBLIGATIONS OF THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE AND WHAT WE NEED -- WE NEED THE SERVICE FROM THE OFFICERS AND WE NEED IT NOW. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR ROGERS, ON THIS TOPIC. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR SANCHEZ, FOR BRINGS THIS UP. I WANTED TO STAIR A CONSTITUENT EMAIL ABOUT THIS GRANT. SPECIFICALLY, THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A MISSED OPPORTUNITY THAT WE'RE NOT ASKING FOLKS TO REPLACE THE WINDOWS WITH VANDAL-RESISTANT MATERIALS OR WINDOWS THAT DON'T KEEP GETTING BROKEN AGAIN. I WANTED TO OFFER THAT AS A POSSIBLE SOLUTION TO, PUN INTENDED, BREAK THE CYCLE, OF CONTINUING TO REPLACE WINDOWS. IF YOU GIVE THEM A GRANT, CAN YOU GIVE THEM A WINDOW THAT CAN'T BE BROKEN. >> MR. PRESIDENT, IF I MAY, COUNCILOR ROGERS, I DO BELIEVE THAT IF YOU DO ADD THE PROTECTIVE, YOU GET ADDITIONAL FUNDS. WE HAVE THAT BUILT IN. IF YOU'RE DOING ADDITIONAL STEP AS THE PROPERTY OWNER, YOU CAN BE ALLOCATED AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT OF FUNDS. IT'S NOT A TON, BUT IT'S ADDITIONAL. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. THEN THE JOURNAL. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THIS. WAS THERE SPECIFIC DATES THAT THE INCIDENT, THE BROKEN WINDOW, HAD TO OCCUR FOR THEM TO PUT IN FOR THIS GRANT? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THERE IS A BEGINNING DATE TO THE GRANT PROCESS BECAUSE WE KICKED OFF THE GRANT ON A CERTAIN DATE. WE DID ALLOW FOR IF IT WAS PRIOR TO THAT DATE THERE WAS A WAY TO JUSTIFY IT AS WELL. I DON'T REMEMBER THAT SPECIFIC PORTION OF THE DETAILS. I CAN GET YOU -- IT'S WRITTEN UP -- >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THERE ISN'T AN ENDING DATE? >> UNTIL THE FUNDS RUN OUT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: OKAY. AND NO SPECIFIC LOCATION? >> IT'S CITY WIDE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MR. PRESIDENT, I RECENTLY SAW A PRESS RELEASE STATING A POSSIBLE PALLET HOME LOCATION, AND THE MAP PROVIDED ON THIS PRESS RELEASE FROM, I BELIEVE, THE ADMINISTRATION PUT A START WHAT LOOKED TO BE 3401 PAN-AMERICAN. WHICH IS RIGHT ABOUT THE SPOT OF LAND WE JUST SWAPPED WITH THE STATE. THOSE DETAILS OF THAT SWAP WITH THE STATE WAS A WASTE MANAGEMENT POSSIBLE TRANSFER STATION. HAS THAT CHANGED? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, OUR LONG-TERM PLAN FOR THAT SITE IS ABSOLUTELY THE TRANSFER STATION FOR SOLID WASTE. THOSE PLANS HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR QUITE SOME TIME. WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT MULTIPLE LOCATIONS AND THAT'S THE MOST OPPORTUNE FOR THE TRANSFER STATION. THOSE PLANS WILL TAKE QUITE A BIT OF TIME FOR US TO GET THAT PROJECT UP AND RUNNING BASED UPON THE LOCATION AND THE PROJECT. OUR INTENT IS IF OUR MICROCOMMUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL -- YES, ADDICTION TREATMENT IS TO TEST THAT MODEL AT THAT LOCATION THERE, AJAYS NALITY ADJACENT TO THE FACILITY WE HAVE AND THAT WOULD BE SHORT-TERM USE FOR THAT LOCATION. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MR. PRESIDENT, WHEN WAS THAT DECIDED? BECAUSE WE SWAPPED LAND OR DECIDED TO VOTE ON THIS TWO WEEKS, I BELIEVE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A BIT. WHEN YOU ALL RECENTLY PREVIOUSLY AUTHORIZED THE OPIOID FUNDS TO BE USED FOR THE RECOVERY MICRO COMMUNITY WE WERE LOOKING FOR LOCATIONS TO DO THAT. BASED UPON CITY PROPERTIES AND OTHER LOCATIONS, THIS LOCATION WAS DETERMINED AS ONE THAT GAVE US THE BEST OPTION FOR OUR SHORT-TERM USE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I -- IT SEEMS LIKE A BAIT AND SWITCH IN A SENSE. I WISH WHEN YOU PROPOSED A SWITCH TO SWAP LANDS WITH THE STATE, I WISH YOU WOULD HAVE SAID THIS IS A POSSIBILITY TO DO THIS WITH THE LAND. BASED OFF A PRESS RELEASE OF US AGREEING FOR A LAND SWAP IS NOW BEING USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE, ME PERSONALLY, I WOULD HAVE LOVED THAT INFORMATION BEFOREHAND. AND MY LAST QUESTION, AND THIS IS DISTRICT EIGHT, I'M GETTING A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS. HAS THERE BEEN ANY ARRESTS MADE ON THE TRIPLE HOMICIDE AT TRAMWAY AND MONTH -- MONTGOMERY? >> I CAN LOOK AT GETTING YOU AN ANSWER. I'LL MAKE SURE I GET YOU THE ACCURATE INFORMATION FOR THAT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: PERFECT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE SEPTEMBER 16th JOURNAL. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. MOTION PASSES. WE'LL GO TO COMMUNICATION AND INTRODUCTIONS. ANY CHANGES, COUNCILORS, TO THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION? >>COUN. BACA: MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE THAT O-38 BE PULLED OUT OF THE LAND USE PLANNING AND PLACED ON THE OCTOBER 21st, IT'S THE DESIGNATION OF THE LEOPOLED HOUSE AT THE CITY LANDMARK. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. ANY DISCUSSION? THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR PLACING R-93 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA FOR ACTION. IT'S APPROVING AUTHORIZING THE ACCEPTANCE OF 2022 GO BONDS FROM BERNALILLO COUNTY FOR THE EXPLOREA MUSEUM AND EARLY LEARNING CENTER AND PRIORITY FOR ARTS AND CULTURE FOR FISCAL YEAR 25. >>COUN. LEWIS: THIS IS MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTION ON THE MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I MOVE THAT O-48 BE PULLED OUT OF THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING AND PLACED ON THE OCTOBER 21st AGENDA. IT'S DESIGNATION OF THE HISTORIC FAIRVIEW CEMETERY AS A CITY LANDMARK. >>COUN. LEWIS: THAT'S MOVED AND SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION, QUESTIONS? THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. UNANIMOUS. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I MOVE THE RULES BE SUSPENDED FOR THE PLACING OF R-91 ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA FOR ACTION. IT'S APPROVING THE SUBMITTAL OF A GRANT APPLICATION BY THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT TO THE NEW MEXICO FINANCE AUTHORITY WATER TRUST BOARD. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY DISCUSSION? THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES, RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. UNANIMOUS. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOTION AND SECOND TO APPROVE LETTER OF INTRODUCTION. SECOND BY COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES, OPPOSED, NO. UNANIMOUS. ITEM 7, NO REPORTS OF COMMITTEES. GO TO REFERRALS AND WITHDRAWS. ANY AT THIS TIME? SEEING NONE. WE'LL GO TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. ANY CHANGES TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: YES, MR. PRESIDENT. REGARDING EC-34-194 AUTHORIZATION OF SOCIAL SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH YOUTH DEVELOPMENT INCORPORATED, PROVIDES VIOLENCE INTERVEPGZ AND PREVENTION SERVICES TO ADULTS, I'D LIKE TO DEFER THAT. I HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. >>COUN. LEWIS: WE'LL TAKE IT OFF THE AGENDA. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THAT OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA. ANYTHING ELSE TO BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. THAT'S UNANIMOUS. AND WE'LL GO TO E-24-194. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS CONTRACT. WHO WOULD BE THE BEST TO ANSWER THOSE FROM THE ADMINISTRATION? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, JODY ESQUIBEL, THE DIRECTOR OF ACS IS HERE. >>COUN. ROGERS: HI, DIRECTOR. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS IN REVIEWING THIS CONTRACT. I SERVED AS THE CHAIR OF THE GUN VIOLENCE TASK FORCE FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. I'M EXCITED TO SEE THIS CONTRACT HAPPENING. I HAVE SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS AND THE PROGRAM. DURING THE GUN VIOLENCE TASK FORCE WE TALKED ABOUT REPLACING THE BEHAVIOR THAT -- GOING TOWARD GUN VIOLENCE. ONE OF THOSE WAS MONEY. THEY WERE ENGAGING IN CERTAIN RISKY BEHAVIOR. WE TALKED ABOUT GIVING STIPENDS TO PARTICIPANTS IN A PROGRAM LIKE THIS TO REPLACE THAT NEED TO HAVE RISKY BEHAVIOR TO MAKE MONEY. IN REVIEWING THIS CONTRACT, I SAW HAPPILY THERE WERE STIPENDS IN THAT, BUT OUT OF THE $500,000, ONLY $2,000 OR 220 DOLLARS WERE ALLOTTED FOR INCENTIVES OR STIPENDEDS. THERE'S $320,000 GOING TO YDI FOR SALARY. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION OF WHY IS THERE SUCH AN IMBALANCE. AND THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROGRAM, OR I BELIEVE THE PURPOSE OF THE PROGRAM WAS TO DO, AND WHY ONLY $2,000 HAS BEEN PROPOSED FOR THOSE STIPENDS FOR YOUTH, BUT THE ADULTS ARE MAKING $328,000 OUT OF A $500,000 CONTRACT? >> SURE, COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS. I'M ALSO EXCITED ABOUT THE CONTRACT AND KIND OF REVAMPING THE VIP SCHOOL-BASED PROGRAM TO REALLY UNDERSTAND AND SPEND THE MONEY IN THE WAY WE NEED TO. AND WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT IT IS INCREDIBLY EXPENSIVE TO PREVENT VIOLENCE. AND SO, PART OF THAT IS UNDERSTANDING THE COUNSELING ASPECTS. I BELIEVE IN A STIPEND AS WELL. I KNOW WE'VE DONE A FULL OVERHALL. WE MEET WITH THAT PARTNER CONSISTENTLY ON A BIWEEKLY BASIS WHEN WE NEED TO. AND TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THE SERVICES THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING SO WE MAKE SURE THE MONEY IS GOING IN THE RIGHT SPACE. WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE IS REALLY IN-DEPTH COUNSELING. ONE-ON-ONE SERVICES THAT WE'RE ABLE TO FOLLOW THE CLIENTS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HELP. SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY EVALUATE IS THE STIPEND AMOUNT, BUT KNOWING THAT THE BIG CHUNK OF THAT MONEY IS ALSO GOING TO END UP TO THE SERVICES PROVIDED TO THE YOUTH. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT SERVICES ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDED THAT COST $280,000 FOR SALARY AND WAGES? FOR ONE YEAR. >> FOR THE COUNSELING, JUST BECAUSE THE YOUTH IS -- THEY HAVE TO -- THEY DON'T HAVE TO, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THEM SPECIALIZE IN YOUTH SERVICES BECAUSE IT'S DIFFERENT THAN NORMAL COUNSELING. THEY DO USE SPECIALIZED SERVICES. WE CAN HAVE YDI ANSWER THE QUESTIONS AS WELL. BUT I KNOW THAT THEY'RE HIGHLY TRAINED IN THAT TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THE YOUTH AND WHAT OUR YOUTH IS GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW. >>COUN. ROGERS: I APPRECIATE THAT ANSWER BECAUSE I WONDER BECAUSE SCOPE OF SERVICES DOESN'T HAVE COUNSELING IN SCOPE OF SERVICES. SO IT SAYS OUTPUT ONE, 60 UNDUPLICATED ADULTS WITH A TYPO, ALSO. CAN WE PLEASE FIX THAT? PAGE 20, B, NUMBER ONE. 12 THROUGH 26. WHO ARE INVOLVED IN GUN VIOLENCE AND CRIME TO BE ENROLLED IN THIS PROGRAM. THAT THEY PARTICIPATE IN A LIFE PLAN. THEY HAVE CASE MANAGEMENT. COGNITIVE -- THEY MUST RECEIVE UP TO 200 HOURS OF COGNITIVE BEHA BEHAVIORAL THERAPY. IT DOESN'T SAY WHY IT COSTS $320,000. ARE THEY GOING TO CONTRACT THAT OUT, WHICH YDI USUALLY DOES. I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS. >> SURE. YEAH, THE COGNITIVE BEHAVIORAL HEALTH THERAPY IS WHERE WE CAN FALL INTO THE SPECIALIZED SERVICES. AS WELL AS LONG-TERM CASE MANAGEMENT, I THINK ACROSS THE BOARD WE'VE JUST SEEN THAT WE'VE FOUND A LOT OF ROOM FOR GROWTH IN CASE MANAGEMENT IN GENERAL. FOR OUR COMMUNITY. AND REALLY UNDERSTANDING AND WALKING PEOPLE THROUGH THE PROCESS BECAUSE WE TAKE CASE MANAGEMENT SO LIGHTLY, BUT WHEN WE PEEL BACK THE LAYERS OF THAT IT'S REALLY EXPENSIVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY CONTINUE TO WALK THROUGH THIS PROCESS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THE MONEY IS FOR CASE MANAGEMENT OR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS -- >>COUN. ROGERS: IT'S JUST NOT BROKEN DOWN IN THE CONTRACT. >> SURE. ABSOLUTE. COUNCILOR ROGERS -- >> OUTPUT THREE IS 200 HOURS TIMES 60 STUDENTS. THAT'S 12,000 HOURS OF BEHAVIORAL HEALTH THERAPY. AT AN HOURLY RATE THAT NUMBER IS NOT SURPRISING. THAT'S 12,000 HOURS OF CBT. THE COST IS VERY REAL. THAT'S IN ADDITION TO CASE MANAGEMENT FOR 60 KIDS FOR THE ENTIRE TIME. >>COUN. ROGERS: IS THE CONTRACT ALREADY SIGNED AND EXECUTED? >> IT IS GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS. COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, THAT'S SEARCHLY WHY WE'RE HERE. >>COUN. ROGERS: I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS OFFLINE IF WE CAN CONTINUE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S IN HERE. I WOULD LIKE TO DEFER THIS UNTIL THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, OCTOBER 21st. >>COUN. LEWIS: THAT'S YOUR MOTION? >>COUN. ROGERS: YES, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOTION FOR DEFERRAL. ADMINISTRATION, DO YOU WANT TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS? >> MR. PRESIDENT, IT'S CONCERNING WHEN WE HAVE CONTRACTS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE THROUGH TO GET THE PROGRAM STARTED AND GIVE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE YOUTH TO GET THESE PROGRAMS. THIS IS DIRECT SERVICES TO 60 KIDS AT A SCHOOL THAT IS VERY INTERESTED IN US GETTING STARTED. THE DELAY IS CONCERNING. WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO, IN TERMS OF THIS CONTRACT, WORK WITH YDI AND GET THESE SERVICES FOR KIDS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. IT'S OBVIOUS TO ME THAT 12,000 HOURS OF CBT UNDER BEHAVIORAL THERAPY FOR KIDS IS A HUGE LIFT FOR AN ORGANIZATION. IT ALSO INCLUDES CASE MANAGEMENT FOR 60 KIDS. WE'VE BEEN DOING THIS WORK. WE'VE SEEN IT PROVEN IN OTHER SCHOOLS. WE'VE SEEN THIS MODEL WORKS VERY WELL. AND WE'VE HAD GREAT OUTCOMES. I ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TO HAVE THIS CONTRACT MOVED FORWARD SO THAT WE CAN HAVE CHILDREN -- THIS PROGRAM STARTED. >>COUN. LEWIS: I BELIEVE THIS IS A LINE ITEM IN THE 25 BUDGET, CORRECT? IT'S NOT GOING TO EXCEED THAT BUDGETED AMOUNT? YEAH. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT ON THAT. I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. MY INTENT IS NOT TO HOLD IT UP, MY INTENT IS THE CHAIR OF THE TASK FORCE THAT REALLY TALKED IN DEPTH ABOUT THIS, WE HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT. TO ME, IT DOESN'T MATCH UP. I THINK TO COUNCIL PRESIDENT'S QUESTION ABOUT THE AMOUNT, PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH, NUMBER ONE. AND NUMBER TWO, IT'S NOT GETTING TO THE POINT WITH THE TASK FORCE WANTED THIS PROGRAM. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR TWO YEARS. IPTIMATELY INVOLVED WITH HOW THIS CAME ABOUT AND WHY WE NEED THIS BECAUSE I WAS THE CHAIR. TO HOLD TRUE TO ALL THOSE COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT GAVE US TWO YEARS OF THEIR TIME SO WE CAN GET THIS RIGHT, I THINK WE OWE IT TO THEM TO GET IT RIGHT. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO SAY I'M CONCERNED, I'M GLAD THE ADMINISTRATION MENTIONED THAT. I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT DELAYING PROJECTS. THIS IS PART OF THE PROJECT. WE HAD KNOWN THAT YDI WEPT THROUGH RFP. PLUS, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD GET INTO THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF CONTRACTS THAT YOU GUYS ARE ISSUING RIGHT? IF THE CONTRACTOR FALLS SHORT OF WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN ADDRESS WITH FUTURE FUNDING. BUT ONE THING THAT -- FULL DISCLOSURE, I DO NOT WORK FOR YDI, IN NO CAPACITY. I DID BEFORE. THE ORGANIZATION REALLY, SOMETIMES PEOPLE LOOK AT OUR ORGANIZATIONS LIKE YDI, YDI IS ONE OF THE ONLY LARGEST YOUTH PROVIDERS FOR THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO. THEY PROVIDE SO MANY SERVICES THAT GO IN LINE WITH THE RESOLUTION WE HAVE LATER ON THIS EVENING IN TERMS OF WE REALLY NEED TO FOCUS ON YOUTH AND PUT AN EMPHASIS. SO WHEN WE TRY TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES WE HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY, IT DIDN'T HANOVERNIGHT AND IT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY OVERNIGHT. THIS IS A GENERATIONAL THING AND ENSURE OUR YOUTH HAVE THE PROPER SERVICES. I KNOW IT'S LABOR-INTENSIVE. WE CAN'T DO ANY COUNSELING IF WE DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HOURLY AMOUNT IS, BUT I DO KNOW IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY TO PROVIDE SERVICES, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT INCARCERATION OF OUR YOUTH, YOU KNOW, THAT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY. I THINK SOME OF THE SOCIAL SERVICE PROGRAMS, WE NEED MORE YDIs IN THE COMMUNITIES. I HOPE WE DON'T DELAY THIS. YOU ALL HAVE DONE DUE DILIGENCE. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WITH MY HISTORY AS LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, YDI HAS BEEN AROUND FOR HOW MANY YEARS WORKING WITH THE CITY? ANYBODY ANSWER THAT QUESTION? I'M GOING TO SAY OVER 30 YEARS, RIGHT? 46 YEARS. SO DURING THAT AMOUNT OF TIME, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK IN THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT GANG UNIT. AND ONE OF THE BEST PROVIDERS OF SERVICES THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE TIME THAT I WAS WORKING WITH APD TO PROVIDE YOUTH SERVICES WAS YDI. THEY FREQUENTLY ASKED US TO COME IN AND DO TRAINING CLASSES TO LET THEM KNOW THE DANGERS OF WHEN A GANG MEMBER OR AN AT-RISK YOUTH COMES TO THE FACILITY. THEY WERE VERY ENGAGED IN NOT ONLY HELPING THE COMMUNITY, KEEPING THEIR STAFF SAFE, AND ALSO HELPING THE CHILDREN. ONE OF THE CONTRACTORS OR ORGANIZATIONS THAT DOES IT RIGHT. THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT RIGHT FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. I THINK THEY GARNERED OUR TRUST ALONG THE WAY. I THINK WE NEED TO GET THIS PROGRAM MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MOTION AND SECOND FOR DEFER. THAT'S GOING TO CLOSE DISCUSSION. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAPPENED. MOTION TO DEFER. IT'S MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. THIS IS EC-24-194. CLOSE DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW. MOTION AND SECOND TO DEFER. THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE DEFERRAL SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. MOTION FAILS. I DIDN'T GET THE COUNT. MOTION FAILS ON A 3-6. ALL RIGHT. GO TO ANNOUNCEMENTS. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, THERE WILL BE AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL LEGISLATIVE RELATIONS COMMITTEE MEETING ON WEDNESDAY OCTOBER 9th VIA ZOOM. AND THE LAND USE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMITTEE MEETING IS CANCELED. >>COUN. LEWIS: I FORGOT ONE THING. I MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF EC -- AGAIN, EC-24-194. I MOVE APPROVAL. SECONDED BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ON THE BILL? THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. YES. OPPOSED NO. THAT MOTION PASSES ON A 7-2. BACK TO COUNCILOR ROGERS. FOR ANNOUNCEMENTS. I'M SORRY. WHERE ARE WE AT? COUNCILOR BASSAN. >> MR. PRESIDENT, WE NEED TO PASS THE CONSENT AGENDA. >>COUN. LEWIS: WE DID PASS THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE'VE DONE ANNOUNCEMENTS. ANY OTHER ANNOUNCEMENTS? FINANCIAL INSTRUMENTS, THERE ARE NONE. APPEALS, THERE ARE NONE. WE'RE GOING TO APPROVALS. APPROVAL OF A MEMBER TO THE ACCOUNTABILITY IN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE A.G. O. BOARD CANDIDATES HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED. LEAH ARMSTRONG AND JERRY MASSIE. ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? TWO CANDIDATES, I THINK -- AT LEAST ONE OF THE CAPPED -- CANDIDATES MIGHT BE PRESENT. WE'LL GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY THAT ARE PRESENT. WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER. GO AHEAD. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WE HAVE NUMEN YAMBAWI. >>COUN. LEWIS: THAT WAS IN PERSON? OKAY, THAT PERSON IS NOT HERE. THIS IS -- COUNCIL RULES PROVIDE PROCEDURE FOR APPOINTMENTS TO BE MADE BY THE COUNCIL. WE'RE FOLLOWING THAT PROCEDURE TONIGHT. THERE'S BALLOTS BEING DISTRIBUTED BY STAFF THAT LIST THE TWO CANDIDATES. COUNCILORS INDICATE THE ORDER OF PREFERENCE FOR ONE AS FIRST PREFERENCE AND TWO FOR SECOND PREFERENCE. AFTER COUNCILORS COMPLETE IT, THEY WILL BE COLLECTED AND TALLY THE RESULTS. I GUESS I WANTED TO SEE IF THE TWO CANDIDATES WERE HERE. I'D LIKE TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY A FEW WORDS IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO. IF NOT, COUNCILORS, DO THAT NOW. AND WE'RE GOING TO TABLE THIS AND GIVE THE STAFF SOME TIME TO TALLY THESE VOTES. STAFF WILL COME PICK THEM UP. I MOVE TO TABLE OC-21. SECONDED BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. MOTION PASSES 9-0. IT'S TABLED UNTIL WE TALLY THOSE VOTES. WE'LL PICK THAT UP AGAIN. COUNCILORS, WE'RE GOING TO GO TO FINAL ACTIONS. WE'RE GOING TO GOOD -- ITEM B. COUNCILOR BACA'S BILL. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE -- WE'RE GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. THAT WILL BE THE FIRST THING WE DO ON THIS, UNLESS COUNCILOR BACA -- WE'LL GIVE HIM TIME TO GIVE INTRODUCTIONS TO IT. WE'LL GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT. IF YOU'RE SIGNED UP -- THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE TONIGHT WERE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS BILL. I THINK ABOUT 50 OR SO PEOPLE, AND SOME OF YOU SIGNED UP FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. AND I THINK YOUR INTENTION WAS TO SPEAK ON THIS BILL. IF YOU SIGNED UP FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND YOU'RE -- YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS BILL, WE WANT TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK NOW ON THIS BILL. WE'RE HEARING IT FIRST. IF YOU'LL COMMUNICATE THAT TO MR. CORNELIUS, WE'RE GOING TO AUTOMATICALLY MOVE YOU TO A SPOT TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC COMMENT ON O-42. IF YOU'RE UNSURE ABOUT THAT, COME AND SPEAK TO MR. CORNELIUS. AND YOU'RE ALSO WELCOME TO SPEAK IN GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AFTER WE DO THIS BILL, IF YOU'RE SPEAKING ON SOMETHING ELSE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. WE WILL NOT DO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT UP THE AFTER THIS BILL. AND WE'LL DO ALL THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON O-42 HERE IN JUST A MOMENT AFTER THIS BILL IS MOVED. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO LIMIT THAT PUBLIC COMMENT TO A MINUTE AND A HALF. AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET TO EVERYBODY TONIGHT. WE'LL DO A MINUTE AND A HALF. IF ANY OTHER COUNCILORS HAVE SOME OTHER OPINIONS ON THAT, WELCOME TO VOICE THOSE OPINIONS AND DECIDE ON THAT. IT'S NOT JUST ME MAKING THAT DECISION, I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S THE WISHES OF THE COUNCIL. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I FEEL STRONGLY WE SHOULD GIVE FOLKS THE TWO MINUTES THEY'RE EXPECTING TO RECEIVE. THAT'S ALWAYS MY OPINION ON THAT TOPIC. >>COUN. LEWIS: ANYBODY ELSE ON THIS? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: I WOULD AGREE. I WOULD LOVE TO GIVE THE COMMUNITY THEIR FULL TWO MINUTES. >>COUN. LEWIS: HOW ABOUT THIS, YOU AGREE TOO, COUNCILOR BACA? >>COUN. BACA: LAST MINUTE WE ONLY GAVE A MINUTE. >>COUN. LEWIS: WE HAVE A DISAGREEMENT ON THE COUNCIL. I'LL GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PUT THAT IN PLACE. IT'S A MINUTE AND A HALF. IF ANYBODY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION AND OVERRIDE ME ON THAT YOU'RE WELCOME TO DO THAT. AND WE CAN CALL FOR A VOTE. BECAUSE THERE'S DISAGREEMENT I'M GOING TO MAKE A DECISION FOR A MINUTE AND A HALF. THAT'S GOING TO TAKE US AN HOUR AND A HALF TO GET THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENT. IT ENSURES EVERYONE IS HEARD. YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION. >>COUN. PEÑA: I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. I AGREE WITH COUNCILOR BACA, LAST TIME WE DID A MINUTE. I THINK IT'S FAIR TO DO A MINUTE AGAIN. I MAKE A MOTION FOR A MINUTE. YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION TO DO ONE MINUTE? >>COUN. PEÑA: ONE MINUTE. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. THAT'S EVEN DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. SO, WE'LL GO TO ONE MINUTE. I'LL AGREE TO ONE MINUTE ON IT. AND AGAIN, IF THERE'S SOME -- IF SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO OVERRIDE THAT WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AS WELL. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MR. PRESIDENT, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO OVERRULE THE CALL OF THE CHAIR AND MAKE IT A TWO-MINUTE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. >>COUN. LEWIS: IT'S MOVED AND SECONDED. COUNCILORS, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE OVERRIDE? COUNCILOR GROUT. I AGREE WITH IT. SURE. I AGREE THAT WE DO IT TO ONE MINUTE, UNLESS YOU WANT TO VOTE ON THAT. >>COUN. PEÑA: I MADE A MOTION. >>COUN. LEWIS: WE MOVED AND SECONDED A MOTION TO DO ONE MINUTE. WHICH IS AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CHAIR ON HOW WE'LL DO THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS BILL. AT ONE MINUTE. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL RIGHT. MOTION AND SECOND. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED? THAT FAILS ON A 3-6. FAILS ON A 4-5. ALL RIGHT. AGAIN, I'M GOING TO SAY WE GO TO ONE MINUTE. AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: MR. PRESIDENT, I HAD A MOTION THAT WAS SECONDED. >>COUN. LEWIS: I'M GOING TO GO TO ONE AND A HALF. >>COUN. PEÑA: THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I HAD A MOTION THAT WAS SECONDED. ALL RIGHT. >>COUN. LEWIS: THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND TO GO TO TWO MINUTES ON PUBLIC COMMENT. DISCUSSION ON THAT? ALL RIGHT. RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES. WE'RE AT TWO MINUTES. THAT'S THE WAY WE GET THINGS DEMOCRATICALLY AROUND HERE ON THE COUNCIL. COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: O-42 RENAISSANCE AND PROGRESS FOR DOWNTOWN ALBUQUERQUE. MR. CORNELIUS. POST THAT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO READ THE ENTIRE TITLES. IF I CAN MAKE A BRIEF STATEMENT. I HAD A LOT OF CALLS ON THIS. I'M SURE EVERYBODY HAS. TONS OF EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS AND PROTESTS AND EVERYTHING. I JUST WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A STRETCH TO SAY MOST ALBUQUERQUE RESIDENTS THINK ALBUQUERQUE IS FACING CRISIS. FROM HOMELESSNESS AND LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING OUR COMMUNITY IS STRUGGLING. THIS REQUIRES FINDING A BALANCE BETWEEN ALL STAKEHOLDERS AND ADDRESSING OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO ADDRESS THEM AND MAKE THEM A TOP PRIORITY. THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO ADDRESS THOSE DIFFICULT ISSUES COLLECTIVELY. IT ADDRESSES LONG-TERM BUILDING ISSUES AND CLIMATE SAFETY ISSUES. IT'S A CALL TO ACTION. FIRST PART OF THIS BILL CREATES A VACANCY THAT PROACTIVELY ENFORCES EXISTING CODE VIOLATIONS AND ADDRESSES DER LECT BUILDINGS. EMPTY BUILDINGS CAN SIMULTANEOUSLY HAVE DIFFICULTY ATTRACTING TEP WANTS AND BE A MAGNET FOR CRIME AND HOMELESS PEOPLE. IT'S DIFFICULT TO ARGUE THAT A BUILDING AS THE HAS BEEN EMPTY FOR OVER 40 YEARS IS STRUGGLING DUE TO TODAY'S ISSUES. SEVERAL EXEMPTIONS ARE IN PLACE TO SUPPORT GOOD ACTORS. THIS PROPOSES TOUGHER ENFORCEMENT OF LAWS AND PUBLIC SPACES. SOME RESIDENTS ASK HOW TO REFER TO THE UNHOUSED AS NEIGHBORS WHILE ADDRESSING RESTRICTIONS ON TOUGH BEHAVIORS. THEY ARE LITERALLY MY NEIGHBORS. I ANY MANY OF THEM BY NAME. I'VE WATCHED STRONG MEN DETERIORATE OVER TIME. I'VE WATCHED PEOPLE SLEEP IN THE SAME LOCATION AND RELIEVE THEMSELVES DAILY. I WATCHED FOLKS WITH SEVERE NEEDS -- OUR CURRENT LAWS DON'T PROVIDE PENALIES FOR NONVIOLENT OFFENDERS. I'VE BEEN OUT AT MIDNIGHT HELPING INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE BEEN ASSAULTED. I'VE BEEN THE PERSON TO CALL 911 FOR A SHOOTING OR OVERDOSE. THEY'RE WORTHY OF OUR COMPASSION AND SUPPORT. THEY CAN ALSO BE DAMAGING TO SAFETY AND QUALITY OF LIFE. THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE TO A BUSINESS STRUGGLING AND FAILING. THERE'S A PERCEPTION THAT DOWNTOWN IS A DANGEROUS AND DIFFICULT PLACE. WHILE THERE IS SOME TRUTH TO THAT, AS A LONG TIME DOWNTOWN RESIDENT, THERE'S A COMMUNITY THAT EXISTS. WE DON'T HAVE PERFECT FIXES TO THE ISSUES NO ONE PERSON DOES. I SHARE THE FRUSTRATION AND SAFETY CONCERNS WITH MANY NEIGHBORS. INCLUDING THOSE WHO ARE UNHOUSED AND THOSE TRYING TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR FAMILIES. WE MUST TRY NEW IDEAS. STATUS QUO IS NOT SUSTAINABLE. TO MOVE THE NEEDLE, WE MUST ALL BE PART OF THE SOLUTION. WE MUST FIND COMMON GROUND. THIS IS A REASONABLE STARTING POINT. AND I'VE MET WITH MULTIPLE STAKEHOLDERS TO WORK OUT AMENDMENTS THAT ADDRESS A LOT OF THE ISSUES. I WELCOME WAYS TO MAKE IT WORK FOR ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOTION FOR A DO PASS. IS THERE A SECOND? ALL RIGHT. IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC COMMENT, COUNCILOR BACA? OKAY. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. FRIENDLY REMINDER, WHEN YOU CALL YOUR NAME PLEASE MAKE YOUR WAY TO THE FRONT. FIRST IS TREVOR FOLLOWED BY ANAMI FOLLOWED BY JACKIE. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE ORDINANCE 42 AGAIN. YOU WAS HEAR AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING TO CONDEMN SECTION FIVE OF THIS ORDINANCE. I DO NOT APPRECIATE HOW THE UNHOUSED COMMUNITY IS BEING REFERRED TO. WHEN YOU'RE SAYING, COUNCILOR BACA, YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOUR NEIGHBORS -- YOU'RE NEIGHBORS WITH THESE PEOPLE, I BELIEVE YOU. I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THE SUFFERING THAT A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE GO THROUGH DAY IN AND DAY OUT. AT THE SAME TIME YOU DESCRIBED HARMFUL BEHAVIORS AND HOW THEY AFFECT THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE, YET SECTION FIVE PROHIBITS NEAR EXISTENCE ON THE SIDE WALK. THE SIDE WALK WOULD BE DISALLOWING ANY OTHER USE BESIDES WALKING. IF I AM NOT A PEDESTRIAN GOING FROM BUSINESS POINT A TO POINT B, THEN I'M AT RISK OF BEING FINED $100 FOR MERE EXISTENCE. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. IT IS UNREASONABLE. AND THIS IS NOT A WAY TO DESCRIBE SOMEONE FOR MERE EXISTENCE AS DANGEROUS AND DESTRUCTIVE TO THE COMMUNITY. SPEAKING TO THE REST OF THE ORDINANCE, I'M LARGELY INDIFFERENT. I DO SUPPORT REVITALIZING DOWNTOWN. I SUPPORT USING CARROT AND STICK METHOD TO ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. HOWEVER SECTION FIVE MUST GO. THERE NEEDS TO BE UNANIMOUS SUPPORT FOR AN AMENDMENT THAT COMPLETELY SCRATCHES SECTION FIVE. IT'S NOT OKAY TO OPPOSE THE RIGHTS OF PROTESTERS TO USE SIGNS AND BANNERS, TO CONGREGATE AROUND ENTRY WAYS, AND IT'S NOT ALLOW TO DISALLOW PEOPLE FROM EXISTING LAYING KNEELING SITTING, DOING ANYTHING BESIDES WALKING FROM POINT A TO POINT B. I DO NOT APPRECIATE USING THIS IDEA OF PEDESTRIAN-FRIENDLY ZONES WHEN HALF OF DOWNTOWN IS DEDICATED TO CARS. THIS IS UNREASONABLE. WE NEED TO CREATE A ZONE GENERALLY FRIENDLY FOR PEDESTRIANS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. >> ANAMI, FOLLOWED BY JACKIE, FOLLOWED BY MARCELLA. >> HI. I MOST LAE AGREE WITH EVERYTHING STEAD. I IMAGINE I WILL AGREE WITH WHAT IS GOING TO BE SAID. I'LL STICK TO THE MORE NUANCED BITS. I THINK SECTION FIVE IS UNFAIR TO MS. KEEFE WHO IS GOING TO SPEND THE NEXT YEAR OF HER LIFE DEFENDING IT IN COURT WHICH IS UNNECESSARY. SECTION SIX, I'M SCARED OF ROBOCOPS. AUTOMATION FREAKS ME OUT. I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT THOSE SORTS OF POLICIES BEFORE WE START AUTOMATING POLICE. WHAT ELSE? THERE WERE OTHER THINGS. OH OKAY. EARLIER IN YOUR STATEMENT, COUNCILOR BACA, YOU MENTIONED EVERYONE HAS A ROLE TO PLAY IN THIS. I AGREE, NO ONE CAN DO THIS ALONE. AND ALSO NO ONE IS OFF THE HOOK FOR THIS. IN SECTIONS ONE AND THREE, THE FIRST EXEMPTION WOULD MAKE IT SO THAT THE GOVERNMENT IS OFF THE HOOK FOR THIS. I UNDERSTAND THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY HOW IT WORKS, BUT I BELIEVE THAT'S THE SPIRIT WITH WHICH THIS BILL WAS WRITTEN. LASTLY, I THINK, IT'S PRETTY APPARENT THAT THE MAYOR'S OFFICE HAD A LOT OF INFLUENCE OVER THIS ORDINANCE. THIS COUNCIL HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO STOP THAT. THIS COUNCIL HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE ITS LEGACY, PREVENTING THE HARM THAT CAN BE DUP BY AN ADMINISTRATION. I REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT. THANK YOU. >> JACKIE FOLLOWED BY MARCELLA FOLLOWED BY MARSY. >> CAN I USE THE OVERHEAD? AND I SIGNED UP FOR GENERAL, THAT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I SIGNED UP FOR BOTH. I WANTED TO START BY ADDRESSING THE ONE-MINUTE THING. ONE OF OUR -- OUR COUNCIL PRESIDENT MENTIONED LAST YEAR HE WOULD STAY UNTIL THE NEXT MORNING IF IT MEANT THE BUSINESS OF THE PEOPLE GOT DONE. >>COUN. LEWIS: YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. WE'RE NOT LIMITING TO ONE MINUTE. IT'S THE DECISION OF THE COUNCIL TO DO IT. >> NOT THIS TIME, BUT PREVIOUSLY WE HAVE. >>COUN. LEWIS: I'LL GIVE YOU ANOTHER 15 SECONDS SINCE I TOOK THAT TIME OFF. >> I'LL ADD I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS BILL PASSING. NOT WITHOUT ADDRESSING THE DREADED SIDE WALK OBINSTRUCTION. I'M THE BIGGEST PEDESTRIAN ADVOCATE. I DON'T LIKE WHEN IT'S OBSTRUCTED. IT BRINGS THE QUESTION WHO IS DOING THE OBSTRUCTING OF THE SIDE WALK. IT'S THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE POSTING ROADWORK AHEAD SIGNS ON THE SIDEWALK. MY QUESTION WOULD BE UNDER THIS ORDINANCE THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANYTHING TO ADDRESS THIS. THIS ORDINANCE SEEMS MISDIRECTED AT OUR UNHOUSED NEIGHBORS. AS OPPOSED TO THE ACTUAL OBSTRUCTION. WHEN OUR POLICE ARE OVER OVER BURDENED THAT THEY CAN'T RESPOND TO A BROKEN WINDOW OR BARELY ENFORCE TRAFFIC LAWS, DO WE WANT TO GIVE THEM THE JOB OF FINING PEOPLE FOR SLEEPING ON THE SIDEWALK? I ASK THIS ORDINANCE BE SUPPORTED AFTER IT'S AMENDED TO REMOVE THIS SECTION. >> MARCELLA, FOLLOWED BY MARCY FOLLOWED BY JULIET. >> I'M HERE TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT FOR THIS ORDINANCE. I LIVE AND WORK DOWNTOWN. I'VE BEEN HERE 13 YEARS. THINGS DON'T CHANGE. DESPERATE TIMES ARE CALLING FOR DRASTIC MEASURES. I THINK WE NEED TO THROW OUR SUPPORT BEHIND THIS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANKS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO USE YOUR TWO MINUTES. I AM WILLING TO STAY HERE ALL NIGHT. I'M NOT SURE IF EVERYONE IN THE PUBLIC WANTS TO DO THAT TOO. THAT'S ONE OF THE REAPS FOR TRYING TO MOVE IT ALONG AND TRY TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY. I DON'T WANT YOU ALL TO BE HERE ALL NIGHT AS WELL. THANK YOU, WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY AND WE'RE GLAD THAT YOU'RE HERE. >> MARCELLA FOLLOWED BY JULIA, FOLLOWED BY JAKE. >> SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO ORDINANCE 42 IN ITS CURRENT AND AMENDED FORM. I POINT OUT THAT THE IDEA OF FINING INDIVIDUALS TO HELP THEM ESCAPE POVERTY IS AN OXY MORON. YOU'RE NOT HELPING THE UNHOUSED COMMUNITY BY FORCING THEM TO HIDE BECAUSE THEY'RE SCARED OF AN ORDINANCE. AND FINES THAT WILL PULL THEM DOWN MORE FINANCIALLY AND PUT THEM FURTHER AND FURTHER AT DISADVANTAGE. THIS IS CRUCIAL. YOU TALK ABOUT WANTING TO REVITALIZE DOWNTOWN AND CHANGE DOWNTOWN AND MAKE IT BETTER, DO IT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE. STOP TRYING TO GENTRIFY THEM OUT OF THE CITY. THESE ARE MEMBERS OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE UNHOUSED. THESE ARE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND THEY DESERVE RESPECT AND DECENCY JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT YOUR SECTION THAT PROHIBITS FORMING OF A LINE OF PERSONS ACROSS A SIDE WALK AND PLACING OR STORING EQUIPMENT ON A SIDE WALK OR FOOTPATH, THIS IS PROHIBITING CHURCHES AND OTHER COMMUNITY GROUPS FROM DELIVERING CRUCIAL AID. THIS ORDINANCE IS AN UNWANTED ATTACK AT A LARGE GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO GET NO SAY AT THE TABLE. PLEASE STOP CRIMINALIZING CITIZENS. >> JULIET. >>COUN. LEWIS: I NEED TO REITERATE THERE'S NO CLAPPING IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS BY COUNCIL RULES. IF YOU DO IT WE'LL GIVE YOU A WARNING, IF YOU DO IT AGAIN WE'LL KICK YOU OUT. WE'RE GOING TO ENFORCE THE RULES OF THE CHAMBER. THE IDEA IS SO EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE TO BE HEARD. YOU DON'T INTERRUPT PEOPLE AND WE DON'T GET A CHANCE TO HEAR FROM EVERYBODY TONIGHT. THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT'S IN PLACE. >> JULIET FOLLOWED BY JAKE FOLLOWED BY JORDAN. >> HI, I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN BY ADDRESSING EVERYONE WHO ISN'T COUNCILOR BACA THAT THIS ORDINANCE IS GOING TO AFFECT YOU GUYS A LOT MORE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO PUSH HOMELESS PEOPLE THAT HE DOESN'T WANT IN HIS DISTRICT INTO YOURS AND IT'S NOT GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM? IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE BECAUSE MOST OF THE RESOURCES THESE PEOPLE NEED ARE DOWNTOWN. >> JAKE FOLLOWED BY JORDAN FOLLOWED BY JAMES. >> COUNCILORS, I'M BACK AGAIN TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT OF THIS BILL. I LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I'LL LET YOU KNOW THAT IT TAKES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF COURAGE TO TRY SOMETHING NEW. AND TO TRY TO FIX A PROBLEM. WITHIN SHOOTING DISTANCE OF MY BUSINESS, THERE WERE SIX SHOOTINGS IN THE MONTH OF SEPTEMBER. THAT IS JUST UNTENABLE. THAT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE. THERE HAS TO BE CHANGE. PLEASE DO SOMETHING. THANK YOU. >> JORDAN FOLLOWED BY JAMES FOLLOWED BY ADEL. FRIENDLY REMINDER, PLEASE COME DOWN WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED. >> GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I'M A DOWNTOWN CORE AND DISTRICT TWO RESIDENT. I'M SPEAKING IN BEHALF OF DOWNTOWN ALBUQUERQUE. IN SUPPORT OF BILL O-42. OUR MEMBERS BELIEVE THIS IS A GOOD STEP FOR REVITALIZING DOWNTOWN. WE FOUND UNANIMOUS SUPPORT FOR MOST PROVISIONS OF THE BILL FOR A FEW REASONS. FIRST IT WILL BOOST ECONOMIC GROWTH BY INCURMINGING NEW BUSINESS HOUSING AND JOBS. BY ADDRESSING VACANT AND BLIGHTED PROPERTIES IT MAKES DOWNTOWN BETTER. A VIBRANT DOWNTOWN STRENGTHENS THE COMMUNITY. IT BENEFITS ALL RESIDENTS AND THE BILL WILL OPEN THE DOOR TO MUCH NEEDED HOUSING. WE HAVE CONCERNS WITH THE NO OBSTRUCTION ZONE. WE WANT A COMPASSIONATE APPROACH. WE THANKFUL THAT SOME ASPECTS HAVE BEEN CLARIFIED INCLUDING THE INVOLVEMENT OF ACS AND PROTECTION OF FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. HOWEVER, WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO POLL OUR MEMBERSHIP ON THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. WE CAN ONLY ENCOURAGE THOUGHTFUL AMENDMENTS. WE BELIEVE THIS IS A BIG STEP ANOTHER AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO VOTE FOR IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU FOR MAKING ALBUQUERQUE THRIVE. >> JAMES FOLLOWED BY ADELE FOLLOWED BY RENÉ. >> THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, I'M FROM D4. I REALLY TOOK THE TIME TO READ THE ENTIRE 24-PAGE BILL AND THE 20-PLUS PAGES OF AMENDMENTS AND EXPLANATIONS. I THINK THE 12 AMENDMENTS REALLY CLARIFY A LOT OF THE CONCERN. AND SO I'M ACTUALLY -- I URGE YOU ALL TO SUPPORT THE BILL AND IF YOU SUPPORT THE 12 AMENDMENTS THIS IS GOING TO TURN OUT BAD IF SOME OF THE AMENDMENTS TOWARD THE END DO NOT GET PASSES. BUT I THINK I LOOKED AT IT AND I'M LIKE 52% OF THE BILL I THINK IS EXCELLENT. AND I THINK IF YOU HAVE THAT -- SHARE THAT SAME VIEW THAT IT'S MORE GOOD THAN BAD, I THINK THIS IS A GOOD STEP FORWARD. AND JUST SITTING HERE AND DOING NOTHING AND CONTINUING TO VOTE DOWN EVERYTHING WE DIDN'T GET THE FTR RESTRICTIONS, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN MUCH THIS YEAR. I THINK THIS IS A PROGRESSIVE MOVE FORWARD. AND I URGE YOUR SUPPORT IN THIS THANK YOU. >> ADELE FOLLOWED BY RENÉ, FOLLOWED BY LISA. >> ALBUQUERQUE CITY COUNCIL, COUNCILOR LEWIS, I'M CONCERNED WE'RE WORRYING ABOUT TOO MUCH OF RED PAINT WITHOUT TAKING THE TIME TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT REPRESENTS. THE BLOODLESS SPECTACLE THAT OCCURRED AT 8th AND CENTRAL WAS RESOLVED BY OUR POLICE. I WANT TO COMMEND THEM. AND THE PROTESTERS, AT LEAST THEIR GOT THEIR PHOTO-OP. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF PAINT WAS USED AND IF IT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD WASH AWAY IN THE RAIN, BUT BEYOND THAT, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT O-42 AND ITS PROBLEMS. WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT TO GO DOWNTOWN THAT'S ABOUT 42,000 CAMERAS SHOVED IN OUR FACES? WHY WOULD WE WANT TO BE DOWNTOWN FOR WHEN WE ARE FINING THE POOR. SECTION FIVE IS PRETTY FOOLISH. HOW FAR DO WE WANT TO GO WITH THIS? WE'RE DOWNTOWN HERE, AND I'M BEHIND SOMEONE. ARE WE IN A LINE? WE HAVE SEEN HOW THIS IS ENFORCED, PERHAPS, NOT TO OUR PRESIDENT'S LIKING. BUT TO CRIMINALIZE PROTEST IS INCREDIBLY WRONG. WE RESPECT ALL OF OUR AMENDMENTS HERE. BUT MAINLY, THE ONES THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT HERE ARE THE FIRST AND THE 19th. SO, WITH THAT, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR GIVING US THE FULL TWO MINUTES. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND HAVE A WONDERFUL REST OF YOUR TIME. >> RENAY FOLLOWED BY LISA, FOLLOWED BY GINO. >> MY NAME IS RENÉ, I'M AN ALBUQUERQUE RESIDENT AND COMMUNITY MEMBER. AND I SUPPORT DOWNTOWN'S REVITALIZATION. AS AN URBANIST IT WOULD BE FOOLISH NOT TO. SECTION FIVE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. AND IT IS NOT NEW. THE KNEE-JERK REACTION OF EVERY CITY WHEN DEALING WITH A CRISIS IS TO CRIMINALIZE HOMELESSNESS. IT IS THE STANDARD REACTION AND IT ALWAYS HAS THE SAME EFFECT WHICH IS NOT TO IMPROVE THE SAFETY OF THE AREAS WHERE PEOPLE ARE BEING REMOVED FROM. ADDITIONALLY, I LIKE TO NOTE THAT TARGETING PROTESTERS RIGHTS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. I APPRECIATE COUNCILOR BACA'S HONESTY IN ADMITTING THAT THE PROTESTS ON FRIDAY WERE PEACEFUL, AT LEAST FROM THE PROTESTER'S SIDE, I WOULD NOTE THAT ONE PERSON WAS INJURED AND THE POLICE DID NOTHING. HE WAS INJURED DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF A POLICE VEHICLE AND THE POLICE DID NOT STEP IN. IT WAS UP TO THE PROTESTERS TO RESOLVE THAT SITUATION AND MAKE SURE EVERYONE WAS SAFE. I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THE HYPOCRISY OF SAYING THAT YOU RESPECT THE RIGHT TO PROTEST WHEN COUNCILOR BACA YOU WERE THE ONE WHO INTRODUCED THIS LEGISLATION THAT DIRECTLY TARGETS THEM. I SUPPORT ORDINANCE 42 WITH THE COMPLETE REMOVAL OF SECTION FIVE. COMPLETE REMOVAL OF SECTION FIVE. THANK YOU. >> LISA FOLLOWED BY GINA FOLLOWED BY BEX. >> HELLO COUNCILOR LEWIS, AND CITY COUNCILORS, I OWN A DOWNTOWN PROPERTY. THE STATE THEATER BUILDING ON SENTERAL BETWEEN SECOND AND THIRD. WE'RE AN EXCELLENT OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU INVEST IN A PROPERTY. WE'RE FULLY OCCUPIED. AND THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH OUR NEIGHBORS THAT ARE DRUG ADICTEDED OR MENTALLY ILL, HANGING OUT IN FRONT OF OUR BUILDING HAS NOT OCCURRED IN MY AREA. NOT THAT MY PEOPLE HAVEN'T BEEN TRAINED IN CRISIS INTERVENTION, THEY ALL HAVE. MY EMPLOYEES. BUT, THE THING THAT WE'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT ABOUT PASSING THIS ORDINANCE IS WHEN WE HAVE A GOOD PROPERTY THAT'S RENTED AND WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING TO BUSINESSES, THIS IS NOT A PLACE THAT IS ATTRACTIVE FOR SOMEONE WHO IS MENTALLY ILL OR DRUG-ADDICTED TO LAY IN FRONT OF. WE'VE DONE OUR PART BETWEEN SECOND AND THIRD ON CENTRAL, EX-NOVO HAS DONE IT'S PART. THERE'S ONE BUSINESS ACTIVE BETWEEN FOURTH AND FIFTH? ON THAT ENTIRE STRIP. WE NEED HELP, SO THERE'S A REASON TO INVEST IN DOWNTOWN. MOST OF US HAVE TRIED TO BUY THIS BUILDING AND CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE IT WON'T BE SOLD AT REASONABLE PRICE. WE NEED REASONABLE REPRESENT AND REASONABLE SALE OF PROPERTY SO IT CAN CAN BE INHABITED. THE ISSUE WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE HOMELESS, DRUG ADDICTED, MENTALLY ILL IS PEOPLE ARE VULNERABLE. IT'S NOT LIBERTY TO MAKE A WOMAN LAY HALF NAKED ON THE SIDE WALK TO BE ABUSED ON THE SIDE WALK BY ANYONE THAT COMES UP TO ABUSE HERE. THIS IS THE REALITY THAT IS HAPPENING TO THE PEOPLE THAT WE TALK ABOUT. I URGE YOU TO PASS THIS ORDINANCE. >> TINA FOLLOWED BY BEX, FOLLOWED BY RON. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL MEMBERS. PRESIDENT LEWIS. SO, I REACHED OUT TO JOAQUIN BECAUSE I WAS DOWN IN THIS AREA THIS WEEKEND BECAUSE ALL OF MY INSURANCES WERE CANCELED. I'M NO LONGER INSURABLE IN THIS AREA. I BELIEVE PROPERTIES THROUGHOUT THE ALBUQUERQUE. I'VE HAD THREE BURNED TO THE GROUND. I'M VERY, VERY SYMPATHIC TO THE PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE NOT ONLY IN CRIME, BUT WITH OUR HOMELESS SITUATION. I MADE THE DECISION TO NOT PLAY FOOTBALL TO TRY TO HELP THE COMMUNITY AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT OUR CRIME ISSUES. MAYBE SOMEWHERE IN THE COMMUNITY WITH THE KIDS. WE ALL HAVE TO DO OUR PART. WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE. I GO TO OTHER CITIES ALL THE TIME AND YOU KNOW DOWNTOWN IS ALIVE. AND WHEN I WAS TALKING TO COUNCILOR BACA, THE BUILDING THAT WE HAVE WERE BUILT IN 1901 AND 1906. I STOOD THERE AND WONDERED WHAT ALBUQUERQUE LOOKED LIKE AT THAT MOMENT. NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT BEFORE. I LOVE ALBUQUERQUE. AND ALL OF YOU SITTING UP THERE ARE GREAT COMMUNITY LEADERS. BUT WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE. AND THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE COVID. WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE. ESPECIALLY IN THE AREA WHERE WE HAVE UNDERSERVED. THERE HAS TO BE REVITALIZATION. LIKE THE PEOPLE SAID BEFORE ME, THEY WANT TO LIVE IN THOSE AREAS. DOWNTOWN, YOU BUILT ALL THESE BEAUTIFUL APARTMENTS DOWNTOWN SO WE CAN HAVE RESTAURANTS. ALL OF US IN THE 80s, AND 90s, WE WOULD GO DOWNTOWN TO ALL THE RESTAURANTS DOWN THERE BECAUSE WE WOULD WALK DOWNTOWN LIKE NOB HILL. WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE, GUYS. I SUPPORT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU THAT WILL MAKE THAT HAPPEN. >> BEX FOLLOWED BY RON, FOLLOWED BY ANTHONY. RON FOLLOWED BY ANTHONY FOLLOWED BY ROBERTO. >>COUN. LEWIS: WHEN YOUR NAME IS CALLED, YOU'RE WELCOME TO SIT IN THE FRONT ROW IF YOU'RE UP NEXT SO YOU CAN SIT IN THE FRONT ROW AND BE READY WHEN YOUR TURN IS NEXT. >> ANTHONY FOLLOWED BY ROBERTO FOLLOWED BY JUSTICE. ROBERTO FOLLOWED BY JUSTIN FOLLOWED BY SUSAN. JUSTICE FOLLOWED BY SUSAN FOLLOWED BY TAYLOR. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE. WHEN THIS BILL WAS LAST UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT WE HEARD A LOT OF DOWNTOWN HAD GOTTEN PROGRESSIVELY WORSE. POINTING FINGERS ABOUT OUR UP HOUSED COMMUNITY IN DOWNTOWN. WHAT I THINK THIS BILL REVEALS IS OUR FAILURE AS NEW MEXICANS TO ADDRESS THE COMMUNITY WHO IS STRUGGLING THE MOST, AS WELL AS IT'S REVEALING OF HOW WE SEE EACH OTHER AT HOME. I COME BEFORE YOU TODAY AS AN EDUCATOR, AS WELL AS A FORMER TEACHER OF PALESTINIAN STUDENTS IN THE WEST BANK. I BELIEVE WE OWE THESE TWO STUDENT POPULATIONS A TREMENDOUS OBLIGATION. THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE THE VERY WEAPONS AND TECHNOLOGY THAT IS BEING USED TO SUSTAIN APARTHEID IN THE WEST BANK AND PUSH GENOCIDE IN GAZA IS BEING USED IN ALBUQUERQUE AND SURROUNDING AREA. WE ALL KNOW OUR FUTURE IS AS INSPIRED AND LOVED AND AS STRONG AS THE STUDENTS RIGHT HERE IN OUR SCHOOL. AND I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW FROM MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE THAT NOT ALL OF OUR STUDENTS ARE HOUSED. WHAT THIS BILL ULTIMATELY DOES IS IT RESTRICTS THE SPACE THAT IS BEING ACTIVELY USED TO ADVOCATE FOR PALESTINIAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS WHO ARE BEING BOMBED, WHO ARE BEING MARTYRED BY WEAPONS MADE RIGHT HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE. WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY PROMOTING SANCTIONED STATE VIOLENCE AGAINST THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. I THINK THAT THIS IS BEYOND IMMORAL. SPECIFICALLY SECTION FIVE OF THIS ORDINANCE. IT DOESN'T REPRESENT THE TRUE ETHOS OF ALBUQUERQUE. WHICH IS THE KNOWLEDGE AND BELIEF THAT WE'RE AT OUR BEST WHEN WE SUPPORT EACH OTHER. AND WHEN WE HELP EACH OTHER. NOT WHEN WE FINE PEOPLE INTO OBLIVION AND THROW PEOPLE IN JAIL. LET OUR FUNDAMENTAL POINT OF REFERENCE BE ROOTED IN COMPASSION AND SELF-DETERMINATION NOT IN PETTY RETRIBUTION. FREE PALESTINE. >>COUN. LEWIS: AGAIN. YOU CAN'T CLAP. WE WANT TO KEEP THE RULES OF THE DECORUM AND THE WHOLE PURPOSE IS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT INTERRUPTING PEOPLE. THANK YOU. >> MASON FOLLOWED BY TAYLOR FOLLOWED BY RHINNON. >> I AM A RESIDENT OF DOWNTOWN AND PART OF THE ALBUQUERQUE DOWNTOWN CORE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. IN SUPPORT OF BILL 24-42. I HAVE A PETITION HERE SIGNED BY ALMOST ALL OF YOUR DISTRICT PEOPLE. THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE DOWNTOWN, THEY DON'T WORK DOWNTOWN, BUT THEY BELIEVE AND ARE COMMITTED THAT DOWNTOWN NEEDS TO BE VIBRANT FOR ALL OF ALBUQUERQUE. BECAUSE ANYTHING THAT BENEFITS ONE DISTRICT BENEFITS ALL DISTRICTS. FOR EXAMPLE, A 50-MILLION SWIMMING COMPLEX IS GREAT FOR THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO ENHANCE EVERYBODY'S EXPERIENCE. AND BRING IN EXTRA REVENUE FROM THE BUSINESSES. NOW, IMAGINE YOU CAME DOWN FOR A CONFERENCE OR MAYBE THE BALLOON FIESTA AND YOU STEP OUT OF YOUR HOTEL AND LOOK AT A DILAPIDATED, VAC WANT -- VACANT BUILDING, BOARDED UP. AND THERE'S PEOPLE ACTIVELY DOING DRUGS, SLEEPING ON THE SIDEWALK OR JUST NAKED AND SCREAMING. THAT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE PEOPLE WANT TO COME BACK. THE SIDEWALK ORDINANCE, IF I CAN'T PUSH MY NEIGHBOR WHO HAS A STROKE TO THE GROCERY STORE OR DOWN TOWN BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS LAYING IN FRONT OF OR BLOCKING THE SIDEWALK, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH HELPING HIM SUE THE CITY FOR VIOLATING THE AMERICAN DISABILITIES ACT. WE'RE NOT HELPING THESE PEOPLE. WE'RE ENABLING THEM. THESE PEOPLE NEED REAL HELP. >> TAYLOR FOLLOWED BY RHIANNON FOLLOWED BY CARLOS. >> GOOD EVENING COUNCILOR LEWIS, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. I AM HERE TO DECLARE THAT I STAND FIRMLY AGAINST THE NOOBSTRUCTIO THIS IS AN ATTACK ON FREE SPEECH AND CRURAL MEASURE ON THE UNHOUSED COMMUNITY. IT CLAIMS TO PROMOTE SAFETY BY BANNING ACTIONS THAT OBSTRUCTION. >>-- OR FORMING PROTEST LINES. FURTHER MORE, THE CITY IS CURRENTLY LACKS OVER 15,000 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS ACCORDING TO THE URBAN INSTITUTE. PEOPLE DON'T SLEEP ON SIDEWALKS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO. YET THIS ORDINANCE IMPOSES FINES AND PENALTIES FOR BASIC SURVIVAL HADHAVIOR LIKE SITTING OR LYING COUN. YOU'RE NOT SOLVING HOMELESSNESS, YOU'RE PUNISHING IT. THIS ORDINANCE WILL ONLY WORSEN THOSE INJUSTICES PUSHING VULNERABLE PEOPLE INTO MORE DESPERATE SITUATIONS. THE SUPPORTERS CLAIM IT WILL MAKE DOWNTOWN ALBUQUERQUE SAFER AND MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, LET'S BE REAL FOR JUST A SECOND. SAFETY DOES NOT COME FROM CRIMINALIZING POVERTY OR SILENCING PEOPLE'S VOICES. IN SHORT, THIS ORDINANCE IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL, INHUMANE AND INEFFECTIVE. >> TO ASK FOR HELP. I COMMEND YOU, COUNCILOR ROGERS, FOR THE LABOR OF LOVE TO REVISE THIS ORDINANCE. HOWEVER REVISING AN UNJUST PROPOSAL IS STILL INADEQUATE. WE CANNOT CRIMINALIZE OR FORCE LABOR UPON OUR MOST VULNERABLE LABORS. WHAT ARE WE AS A COMMUNITY? WHAT ARE WE AS A COMMUNITY SETTING UP FOR WHEN WE BECOME DISABLED? OR UNABLE TO WORK. OR AFFORD THE RISING PRICES OF HOUSING. EVERYONE IS BECOMING MORE DISABLED AS WE AGE. EVERYONE IS BECOMING MORE EXHAUSTED FROM UPHOLDING SYSTEMS THAT HURT OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS. WHOSE PAIN ARE WE NUMB TO? THE UNHOUSED, THOSE WHO DON'T SHARE OUR RACE, THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE -- THOSE WHO TRY TO NUMB THEMSELVES FROM THEIR OWN PAIN? IF WE CRIMINALIZE OUR MOST VULNERABLE NEIGHBORS, WHO WILL STAND UP WHEN WE NEED REST? ORDINANCES IS EXTREMELY HARMFUL. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. >> AMAN FOLLOWED BY ANTONETTE FOLLOWED BY CIREN. >> I WANT TO ADDRESS YOU EACH TO LISTEN TO WHAT I SAY NOW BECAUSE I HAVE SAID THIS FIVE TIMES SINCE 2019 WHEN I OPPOSED THE GATEWAY SHELTER. I MET WITH THE MAYOR TO GIVE HIM A BETTER PROPOSAL AND SAID THAT IS FANTASTIC BUT WE'RE OUT OF MONEY. DIDN'T YOU JUST GET IT BACK THROUGH THE BUDGET? AREN'T YOU TRYING TO GET NEW GARBAGE LANES? I'M THE ONLY REPRESENTATIVE OF THE DOWNTOWN HOMELESS COMMUNITY HERE. YOU HAVE THE ELEPHANT IN THE LIVING ROOM YOU ARE JUDGING. THIS IS HOW I SPEAK OUT THERE AND YOU SEND COPS TO GET ME. YOU ARE USEFUL. YOU I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE YOU DON'T SPEAK. YOU, HOW DARE YOU TELL A MEXICAN WOMAN WHO WAS BORN DOWNTOWN WHERE TO SIT, STAND, KNEEL, ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I HAVE LIVED OUT THERE -- A LOT OF PEOPLE COLLECT MY SCULPTURES BECAUSE I'M GOOD. WHEN I GO DOWNTOWN CENTRAL AVENUE. I CHOSE TO COME BACK BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE IT BETTER. YOU BETTER TALK ABOUT THE SILENT AUCTION BEING SOLD FOR $250,000. FIND THEM. THEY'RE THE PROBLEM NOT US. STOP CALLING ME A CRIMINAL. I AM TIRED OF HAVING POLICE INTERACTION FOR BEING GAY. [ INAUDIBLE ]. >> ANTONETTE FOLLOWED BY CILEN, FOLLOWED BY SHAUN. A FRIENDLY REMINDER, IF YOU HEAR YOUR NAME, PLEASE COME FORWARD. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I AM A STATE SENATOR. I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE LEGISLATIVE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES COMMITTEE AND COURTS CORRECTIONS AND JUSTICE COMMITTEE. WE HAVE SPENT MUCH OF INTERIM STUDYING ISSUES RELATED TO UNHOUSED INDIVIDUALS. AND WE LURPD A GREAT DEAL INCLUDING CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUES FROM SILENCING VOICES. I BELIEVE THAT FOR ME THE BIGGEST TAKEAWAY IS THAT WE MUST GET TO THE ROOT CAUSES. SAFELY MOVING -- IF PEOPLE ARE MOVED OUT OF DOWNTOWN, THAT MEANS THEY'RE GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO ULTIMATELY SOLVE THE ISSUE. AND THE ISSUE IS THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE -- HAVE NO PLACE TO GO. SINCE WE STARTED DOING THIS, I'VE STARTED SPEAKING TO HOMELESS INDIVIDUALS THAT I RUN INTO IN THE STREET AND TRYING TO ENGAGE THEM IN CONVERSATION FOR WHAT GOT YOU HERE. AND THE STORIES ARE VERY, VERY COMPLEX. RANGING FROM INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ACTUALLY ASYLUM SEEKERS AND HAVE A PLACE TO SLEEP AT NIGHT BUT NO PLACE TO GO DURING THE DAY. THAT'S A UNIQUE ISSUE. AND WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT? INDIVIDUALS THAT HAVE MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS. AND DON'T HAVE MEDICATION. AND DON'T HAVE A WAY TO GET IT. TO INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE CHILDREN AND ARE ENROLLED IN SCHOOL AND LIVING IN A CAR AND LIVING BACK AND FORTH. THESE ROOT CAUSES ARE VERY, VERY COMPLEX. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE AMENDMENTS AND TO BE HONEST IT'S VERY COMPLICATED TO FIGURE IT ALL OUT. BUT CRIMINALIZING INDIVIDUALS OR MOVING THEM AROUND LIKE PIECES IS WASTING RESOURCES. I URGE YOU TO PUT YOUR RESOURCES INTO GETTING TO THE ROOT CAUSES OF WHY THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE ON THE STREETS AND HOW WE CAN HELP THEM. THANK YOU. >> KYREN FOLLOWED BY SHOP FOLLOWED BY ADDI. >> HELLO, I'M BORN AND RAISED IN THIS CITY. I WOULD LOVE FOR THIS CITY TO REACH ITS FULL POTENTIAL. I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A WALKABLE DOWNTOWN AND CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT SAFE FOR BICYCLERS. I BELIEVE THEY SHOULD HAVE PROTECTIVE BIKE LINES SO PEOPLE SAFE BIKING. I BELIEVE HAVING A DOWNTOWN THAT HAS MORE NATIVE PLANTS AND PLANTING MORE STREET TREES WILL REDUCE HEAT ISLAND EFFECT AND CREATE A COOLING CITY TO ENJOY. WE CAN ENVISION A CITY THAT SHIFTS FOCUS ON DENSITY. WE CAN CREATE A STRONG TAX BASE TO HELP OUR CITY RISE. I DON'T HAVE A CAR SO HAVING A DOWNTOWN THAT PUTS PEDESTRIAN BEFORE CARS HAS BEEN ALWAYS BEEN A DREAM FOR ME. I'M COMPLETELY AGAINST THIS BILL. I'M A MEMBER WITH THE PARTY FOR SOCIALISM AND LIBERATION. I BELIEVE THAT VISITORS AND COMMERCE SHOULD NOT BE THE PRIORITY OF THE CITY. TOURISM SHOULD NOT BE THE PRIORITY. PRIVATE INVESTORS SHOULD NOT BE OUR PRIORITY. WE SHOULD BE INVESTING IN ALBUQUERQUE, BUT THE INVESTMENT SHOULD SHOULDN'T BE FROM PRIVATE INVESTMENT. INVESTMENT ISN'T EXCLUSIVELY PRUFBT. AND WITH THE WAY THE CITY SELLS ITSELF OUT MANY MIGHT BE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT INVESTMENT IS ONLY PRIVATE. WE DON'T NEED PRIVATE INVESTMENT. WE NEED PUBLIC INVESTMENT. AND WE NEED DEMOCRATIC PLANNING THAT MEETS THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE. WE NEED TO INVEST IN SOCIAL HOUSING AND INVEST IN SOCIAL HEALTH CARE. IF WE CARE ABOUT GIVING RESOURCES TO HOMELESS PEOPLE, THAT SHOULD START WITH HOUSING. SOCIAL HOUSING. WE NEED TO INVEST PUBLIC MONEY AND MENTAL HEALTH FACILITIES BECAUSE THE PEOPLE OF ALBUQUERQUE NEED HELP. WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. THANK YOU. >> SHAUN FOLLOWED BY ADDI, FOLLOWED BY ROBERT. >> HELLO. I WAS THE ONE WHO SENT THE EMAIL REGARDING THE PROTESTS IN DOWNTOWN. I WAS WATCHING AND I WAS WATCHING, IT WAS PEACEFUL, YES ARE BUT THERE WERE FOUR INDIVIDUALS UNRECOGNIZABLE WEARING ALL BLACK STOMPING ON THE FLAG. SPRAY PAINTING IT. REPLACING IT. AND -- I'M SORRY. VANDALISM IS VANDALISM. IT'S BALLOON FIESTA, TOURISTS WERE WALKING DOWNTOWN. I ASKED TWO POLICE OFFICERS AND THEY SAID THE TOP DOG TOLD US NOT TO INTERVENE. WHAT'S THE POINT OF REPORTING CRIMES AS SAM BREGMAN, THE SHERIFF AND THE POLICE CHIEF SAY, IF WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE TOLD THAT THE TOP DOGS TOLD US NOT TO INTERVENE? THAT FLAG MEANS SO AMUCH TO ME AND MY FAMILY. MY FAMILY HAS SERVED AND I'M PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN. WHEN THE PROTESTERS TOOK DOWN THE AMERICAN FLAG, IN MY OPINION, IT WENT FROM NON-VIOLENT TO VIOLENT. THERE WAS NOTHING PHYSICAL, YOU'RE RIGHT, BUT THE FLAG REPRESENTS US ALL. YOU TAKE THE UNITED STATES FLAG DOWN, WE'RE GOING TO PUT ANOTHER ONE UP. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DO AND THAT'S WHAT WE STAND FOR. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. >> ABBY FOLLOWED BY ROBERT. >> I WAS HERE LAST TIME TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT AGAIN. AND I TAKE ISSUE WITH THE NO OBSTRUCTION ZONE ARTICLE FIVE OF THIS ORDINANCE. I TAKE ISSUE TO -- PITTING PEOPLE AGAINST EACH OTHER. LAST TIME THE PUBLIC ROUNDLY SOUNDED THE ALARM DUE TO ARTICLE FIVE OF ABUSES AND HARASSMENT OF EVERYDAY CITY GOERS. I WANT TO CALL ATTENTION TO SOMETHING. IT'S MISLEADING FOR COUNCILOR BACA TO FEIGN IGNORANCE OF SUCH A SOLUTION TO SAY IT'S JUST TRYING SOMETHING NEW BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN STUDIES ON SIMILAR SOLUTIONS AND HOW THEY CARRIED DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT AT ALL. UNLESS YOU HAVE DONE YOUR RESEARCH. AND YOU NEED TO DO YOUR RESEARCH. AS ADDRESSED LAST TIME, THE ATTACKS ON FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS IS ALSO UNACCEPTABLE. TO ADDRESS WHAT ANOTHER PERSON SAID DESPERATE TIMES CALL FOR DESPERATE MEASURES. DESPERATE PEOPLE REQUIRE COMPASSIONATE SOLUTIONS. WHEN PEOPLE ARE LIVING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK, MANY NEW MEXICANS ARE CLOSE TO BEING ON THE STREETS. IT COULD BE YOU. THESE ARE NOT JUST OBSTRUCTIONS. WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE HOUSING CRISIS. YOU CAN HAVE COMMON SENSE SOLUTIONS LIKE RENT CONTROL. YOU CAN HAVE GENDER INCLUSIVE PUBLIC RESTROOMS IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS BROUGHT UP LAST TIME BY CONCERNED BUSINESS OWNERS COMPLAINING ABOUT UNHOUSED PEOPLE DEFECATING IN THE STREETS. THAT'S UNDIGNIFIED AND UNACCEPTABLE IN THE CITY. YOU CAN COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS THAT DON'T CRIMINALIZE AND FINE PEOPLE FOR EXISTING WHEN THEY'RE DESPERATE. A REBUKE. ALSO, I JUST WANT TO SUM THIS UP. I THINK SECTION FIVE SHOULD BE TRICKIN' ENTIRELY. AT BEST IT'S IMPOSSIBLE AND IMPRACTICAL TO ENFORCE. AT WORST IT'S A BETRAYAL OF THE PUBLIC THE GOOD THE COUNCIL WAS PROMOTED TO HELP. AND YOU CAN GIVE DOWNTOWN A FACE LIFT BUT CRUELTY NO MATTER HOW CASUAL OR JUST. >>COUN. LEWIS: THANK YOU. >> ROBERT FOLLOWED BY BENJAMIN FOLLOWED BY ROBIN. BENJAMIN FOLLOWED BY ROBIN FOLLOWED BY ASA. >> GOOD EVENING. I'M A MEMBER OF STRONG TOWN. I WANT TO START BY SAYING THAT THE SOLUTION IS MORE HOUSING AND POLICY THAT PROMOTES MORE HOUSING. THIS BILL HAS A LOT OF BENEFITS FOR DOWNTOWN BUSINESSES. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT STUFF IN THIS BILL. MAKING OUR DOWNTOWN STRONG. IT'S OBVIOUS TO ME THAT EVERYBODY HERE TONIGHT, ALL THE COUNCILORS, AND ALL THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM, REALLY CARE ABOUT ALBUQUERQUE AND WANT TO MAKE ALBUQUERQUE BETTER. THERE ARE DISAGREEMENTS ABOUT HOW THAT IS DONE. I PERSONALLY THINK THIS BILL IS TWO STEPS FORWARD AND ONE STEP BACK. IT IS HOWEVER PROGRESS. LET'S CONTINUE MAKING PROGRESS. I SUPPORT THIS BILL. THANK YOU. >> ROBIN FOLLOWED BY ASA FOLLOWED BY ILSA. >> COUNCILOR BACA, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR EMPATHY FOR OUR UNHOUSED COMMUNITY. BUT I DON'T THINK THE CORRECT WAY TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY'RE FACING IS TO PUNISH THEM BY FINING THEM, COMMUNITY SERVICE. IT DOESN'T HELP THEM IN ANY EFFECTIVE WAY. ALSO, IN A LOT OF MY CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR UNHOUSED COMMUNITY HERE IN DOWNTOWN, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INTERACTIONS WITH THE POLICE. GETTING ARRESTED. THEY SAID AFTERWARDS THEY HAVE ALL OF THEIR POSSESSIONS TAKEN FROM THEM. OR THEY GET CONFISCATED AND NEVER GET IT BACK. THAT INCLUDES BANKTS, CLOTHES, ANY CHAIRS. AND YOU KNOW, THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT DON'T -- THOSE ARE THE ONLY POSSESSIONS THEY HAVE. AND I AM WORRIED THAT ORDINANCES LIKE THIS WILL FURTHER CODIFY THAT. AND THIS IS A COMMUNITY THAT'S ALREADY SO VULNERABLE. AND IT'S JUST TAKING MORE AND MORE FROM THEM. AGAIN FOR THE BENEFIT OF WHOEVER IS BENEFITTING FROM $100 FEE THAT IS BEING TAKEN FROM THEM OR WHEREVER THEY GO FOR COMMUNITY SERVICE. IT'S NOT A SOLUTION FOR THEM. IT ONLY PUNISHES THEM MORE. AND IT'S REALLY -- ALSO, AS SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE A CAR, I'M A PEDESTRIAN 24-7, THAT OR THE BUS, THE BIGGEST OBSTACLE I FACE IN THE ROAD IS I'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED -- IT'S MAINLY UNEVEN SIDEWALKS. SIDEWALKS THAT JUST STOP. HOLES IN THE MIDDLE OF SIDEWALKS. IT'S FAILURES OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH PEOPLE SLEEPING ON THE STREET OR BLOCKING WITH IT FURNITURE. IT'S THINGS THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED IN A VARIETY OF OTHER WAYS THAT DON'T INCLUDE PUNISHING THE MOST VULNERABLE COMMUNITY MEMBERS. >> ISA FOLLOWED BY TERRY ON ZOOM. ASA FOLLOWED BY ISSA FOLLOWED BY TERRY. >> HELLO. I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ORDINANCE 42. THREE MAIN REASONS, IT IS CRUEL. IT IS OPPRESSIVE, AND IRRESPONSIBLE. IT'S CRUEL BECAUSE IT FURTHER CRIMINALIZES AND MARGINALIZES THE MOST VULNERABLE MEMBERS IN OUR COMMUNITY. THE UNHOUSED FACE A LOT OF PROBLEMS AND THIS BILL, OR THIS ORDINANCE WILL ONLY MAKE THOSE PROBLEMS WORSE. IT WILL PUT THEM IN WORSE POTENTIAL SPACE AND SUBJECT THEM TO MORE CRUELTY FROM THE POLICE AND PUSH THEM OUT AND THEY HAVE NOWHERE TO GO. THIS BILL IS ALSO OPPRESSIVE. WE HAVE A FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO GATHER AND A FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT TO PROTEST. THIS IS NOT NEW. WE ALL LEARNED THIS IN SIXTH GRADE CIVICS. AND ANY ATTACK ON THAT IS AN ATTACK ON US ALL. A PROTEST DOES NOT NEED TO BE CONVENIENT TO BE WITHIN OUR RIGHTS. THIS ORDINANCE IS IRRESPONSIBLE. IT MAKES DOWNTOWN A LESS SAFE AREA. IT MAKES IT LESS ACCESSIBLE TO THOSE OF US WITH DISABILITY, HEALTH ISSUES, OR ANYTHING ELSE. BEING FORCED TO BE MOVING, WALKING FROM PLACE TO PLACE, YOU CANNOT TAKE A BREAK IN DOWNTOWN DOES NOT MAKE DOWNTOWN A LIVELY PLACE TO BE. I'M ALL FOR REVITALIZING THE DOWNTOWN, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE DONE BY GIVING PEOPLE HUMANE, GOOD HOUSING. IT NEEDS TO BE DONE THROUGH GIVING PEOPLE FINANCIAL SECURITY. FOOD COURT. HEALTH CARE. THESE ARE THINGS OUR LEGISLATION SHOULD BE ADDRESSING, NOT ATTACKING OUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS AND OUR MOST VULNERABLE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> ASA FOLLOWED BY TERRY ON ZOOM. >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE WILL HAVE THE STREETS SWEPT, PERHAPS. AND THEN WE CAN PRETEND THAT THERE AREN'T PEOPLE LIVING ON THE STREETS OF ALBUQUERQUE OR SOMETHING. IT WON'T SOLVE ANYTHING. WITHOUT EASILY ACCESSIBLE OPTIONS, PEOPLE LIVING IN DOWNTOWN AND WHO HAVE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR A LONG TIME, WILL SIMPLY MOVE DEEPER INTO THE RSIDENTIAL AREAS AS IT HAPPENS WHEN CORONADO PARK WAS CLOSED. TODAY I SAW A POST ON NEXT DOOR COMPLAINING AT LENGTH OF PEOPLE STARTING TO LEAVE IN THE PREVIOUSLY PRISTINE URBAN FOREST AT -- I SHOULD INVEST IN A SHIRT THAT SWEEPS AND DISPLACEMENT BRING NOTHING. WITHOUT BEING SO OFTEN BEGGING WITH YOU PLEASE TRY AND SOLVE SOMETHING THAN JUST MOVING THE PROBLEM AROUND. IT IS A BIOLOGICAL FACT THAT PEOPLE SIMPLY CANNOT GO POOF AND DISAPPEAR. NOR SHOULD THEY. >> WE WILL TRANSFER TO ZOOM. FRIENDLY REMINDER, PLEASE DO NOT TURN ON YOUR CAMERA UNTIL IT'S YOUR TURN TO SPEAK. FIRST IS TERRY, FOLLOWED BY TERRY. >> THANK YOU. COUNCIL PRESIDENT LEWIS, FELLOW CITY COUNCILOR, I'M PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE GREATER ALBUQUERQUE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. I'M HERE TO TESTIFY AGAINST O-24-42. WE AT THE CHAMBER GREATLY APPRECIATE COUNCILOR BACA'S PASSION FOR REVITALIZING OUR DOWNTOWN. IN FACT, WE HOPE TO COLLABORATE WITH HIM IN THE FUTURE ON ORDINANCES TARGETED TO BUILDING VACANCIES AS WELL AS HOMELESSNESS. HE'S RIGHT, WE DESERVE A SAFE DOWNTOWN. WITH CLEAN AND UNOBSTRUCTED SIDEWALKS AND OCCUPIED AND WELL-MAINTAINED BUILDINGS. UNFORTUNATELY, WE BELIEVE THIS ORDINANCE HAS JUST TOO MANY MOVING PARTS. IT'S A VERY LONG TITLE. AMENDMENTS THAT ARE STILL TO COME MAKE THIS COMPLEX PIECE OF LEGISLATION EVEN MORE SO. AND WE'LL HAVE A VERY REAL AND UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE OF AFFECTING PEOPLE WHO WE BELIEVE ARE NOT PART OF THE PROBLEM. FOR THOSE REA -- REASONS WE ASK YOU TO VOTE NO ON THIS LEGISLATION. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO A STREAMLINED VERSION THAT WILL, IN FACT, REVITALIZE DOWN TOWN, MAKE IT A GREAT PLACE TO INVEST, TO LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> TERRY FOLLOWED BY WILLIAM. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS. COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BACA, MY COUNCILOR, SPONSORED THIS BILL, FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD SAY THAT I'M NOT GOING TO ADDRESS THE FIRST AMENDMENT ISSUES. I THINK THEY'RE OBVIOUS. AND THE AMENDMENT THAT YOU AND COUNCILOR ROGERS ARE SUPPORTING TO REMOVE THAT ENTIRELY IS THE CORRECT APPROACH TO THIS. I'D LIKE TO ALSO SAY THAT WHAT PREVIOUS SPEAKERS IN OPPOSITION TO THIS SAID IS THAT THE FOLKS TARGETED WITH THE SIDEWALK OBSTRUCTION LANGUAGE HAVE NO OTHER PLACE. YOU AND I GO HOME. WE HAVE A HOME TO GO TO. WE HAVE MONEY IN OUR POCKETS THAT WE CAN WALK INTO A COFFEE SHOP. WE DON'T HAVE TO SIT IN A SIDE WALK. THAT'S NOT OUR REALITY. AND IT'S HARD FOR US TO EVEN CONCEPTUALIZE WHAT THAT MEANS. THIS ORDINANCE IS REALLY A LOITERING ORDINANCE. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OBSTRUCTING SIDEWALKS. IF YOU LOOK AT ONE SECTION OF THIS ORDINANCE, THERE'S AN EXEMPTION, THE ORDINANCE SHALL NOT APPLY TO THE USE OF STREET FURNITURE THAT WOULD OBSTRUCT PEOPLE GOING BY. THIS IS NOT ABOUT OBSTRUCTING SIDEWALKS. THIS IS ABOUT LOITERING AND IT'S ABOUT REMOVING WHAT IS UNCOMFORTABLE FOR PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY TO SEE. WHICH IS OUR LESS FORTUNATE NEIGHBORS, OUR LESS FORTUNATE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, THOSE WHO ARE SUFFERING IN POVERTY AND DRUG ADDICTION AND MENTAL ILLNESS, WHO DO NOT HAVE A HOUSE OR HOME OR ROOF OVER THEIR HEADS. THERE ARE SHORT-TERM WAYS OF DEALING THIS THAT WE'RE IGNORING. ENCAMPMENTS, SANCTIONED ENCAMPMENTS HAVE BEEN VOTED DOWN. THINK OF THAT. THINK OF THAT WITH SANITATION BLOCKS. WITH SHADE STRUCTURES. WITH PLACES WHERE PEOPLE CAN GET THEIR GOODS. A SAFE PLACE FOR THEM TO GO TO DURING THE DAY. THANK YOU. >>-- FOLLOWED BY PAUL. >> HI. I'M HERE TODAY IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ORDINANCE. I AM A WHEELCHAIR USERER AND NEED SIDEWALKS TO NOT BE OBSTRUCTED. BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT SECTION FIVE IS WRITTEN WITH ME IN MIND. I BELIEVE THAT IT ENACTS VIOLENCE ON PEOPLE SUFFERING DEEPLY. THE MAJORITY OF SIDEWALKS ARE ALREADY NOT ADA COMPLAINT. I PERSONALLY CANNOT USE THEM BECAUSE THE CURB GRADES ARE TOO STEEP AND MY WHEELCHAIR TIPS OVER. IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THE LARGE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE UNHOUSED DO LIVE WITH DISABILITIES AND CHRONIC HEALTH CONDITIONS AND HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE TO REST WHILE THEY'RE TRYING TO SURVIVE ON THE STREETS. THERE ARE NOT SUFFICIENT RESOURCES FOR DISABLED PEOPLE AND IF NOT FOR MY FAMILY I WOULD BE UNHOUSED AND ON THE STREETS AND WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE HAVING TO REST ON SIDEWALKS. THE AVERAGE DISABILITY SSI PAYMENT IS LESS THAN $700 A MONTH WHICH YOU CANNOT SURVIVE ON IN ALBUQUERQUE. CRIMINALIZING HOMELESSNESS WILL ONLY PUSH DISABLED PEOPLE FURTHER INTO THE CARCERAL SYSTEMS AND THEY WILL BE TRAUMAATIZED DISINFRANCHISED. I'M CONCERNED THAT PUNISHING PEOPLE FOR SURVIVING IN PUBLIC IS A FORM OF VIOLENCE. AND THIS POLICY WILL INCREASE VIOLENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY. I'M CONCERNED WITH THE CRIMINALIZATION OF GATHERINGS AND LARGE POSTERS. THIS IS A DEEP ABILITY OF OUR RIGHT TO PROTEST AND PEOPLE -- A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN LIKE IT'S SO OBVIOUS WE DON'T HAVE TO SAY IT. BUT I THINK YOU NEED TO SAY IT WITH HOW MUCH THIS LAW INFRINGES ON CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. AND HOW THIS POLICY WOULD INFRINGE ON CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. WE ALL NEED TO REMEMBER THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> PAULA FOLLOWED BY JUSTIN. >> HI. I AM A CONSTITUENT AND I WOULD LIKE TO START MY COMMENT WITH A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR THOSE LOST IN GAZA THIS YEAR. ON THE DAY. OUR CITY NEEDS INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THE UNHOUSED. WE NEED BATHROOMS, WE NEED POTABLE WATER, WE NEED SHADE STRUCTURES. WE NEED SEATING AND LOCKERS TO STORE THEIR THINGS IN. WE DON'T NEED FOR IT TO BE FURTHER CRIMINALIZED AND FINED AND SURVEILLED IN DOWNTOWN WHERE THERE ARE CURRENTLY RESOURCES FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING UNHOUSED -- BEING UNG HOUSED TO ACTUALLY MEET THEIR NEEDS AND LIKE MEET WITH THEIR CASE WORKERS. AND RUNNING PEOPLE OUT OF THE AREA IS WHERE THEY FEEL SAFE AND WHERE THEY HAVE FAMILY WHO ARE SUPPORTING THEM IS UNACCEPTABLE. AND DESTABILIZING AND I HAVE SEEN -- VERY CLOSE TO MY HEART RIGHT NOW HOW DESTABILIZING THESE ACTIONS CAN BE. FOR A PERSON WHO WAS RUN OUT OF OLD TOWN, RECENTLY. AND PEOPLE NEED TO MAKE THEIR APPOINTMENTS. THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THEIR PAROLE MEETINGS. AND I FEEL THAT SECTION FIVE OF THIS ORDINANCE WILL PREVENT THAT FROM HAPPENING OR INTERFERE WITH THAT HAPPENING. AND FOR THAT REASON, I OPPOSE THIS BILL AND I RESPECTFULLY ASK ALL OF YOU TO ALSO OPPOSE THIS BILL. THANK YOU. >> JUSTIN FOLLOWED BY GNASH. ? >> THANK YOU, PRESIDENT LEWIS, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I'M JOINING MANY OTHERS IN OPPOSING PARTS OF 42. I APPRECIATE THE INTENTION OF REVITALIZING DOWNTOWN BY DISCOURAGING THE VACANT BUILDINGS. WHAT I AND MANY OTHERS TAKE ISSUE IS WITH SECTION FIVE THE NO OBSTRUCTION PART. AND THE MERE EXISTENCE OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO. THIS WILL REMOVE THE SECTION AND MATCH THE TITLE. SINCE I HAVE TWO MINUTES AND THIS IS RELATED I WANTED TO SHARE PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT WE HEARD FOR THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING QUESTIONING THE APD. I APPRECIATE COUNCILOR BACA AND OTHER'S REMARKS SUPPORTING FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND RIGHT TO PROTEST. I HOPE YOU CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO THIS ORDINANCE WITH THAT IN MIND. THE FURTHER PERSPECTIVE IS THERE'S SERVING TO HEAR COUNCILORS CONCERNED ABOUT ONE AMERICAN FLAG WHICH WAS ALLEGEDLY STOLEN AND RECOVERED AND NOT ABOUT HOW CITY EMPLOYEES HAVE TAKEN CRITICAL BELONGINGS OF UNHOUSED PEOPLE OVER THE PAST YEAR. I HEARD YOU CALL FOR CONSEQUENCES WHO SPILLED RED PAINT ON THE GROUND AND NOT TO THE APARTHEID GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL THAT SPILLED BLOOD OVER THE PAST YEAR. I SUPPORT ALL POLITICAL SPEECH BUT THAT'S WHAT THIS SPEECH THIS PAST WEEKEND WAS ABOUT. WHAT I BELIEVE ALONG WITH STREET PROTESTERS AND POLITICAL ORGANIZERS AND THE MAJORITY OF THE CITY IS WE SHOULD BE STOPPING THIS NOT ENABLING IT BY SENDING AN ENDLESS SUPPLY OF WEAPONS. MANY OTHER CITY COUNCIL BODIES SENT A RESOLUTION TO STOP ARMS AND WORK FOR AN IMMEDIATE SES FIRE. AS LONG AS THIS COUNCIL HAS NOT DONE THAT EVERY PERSON THAT DAMAGES PROPERTY AND LAWS AND ACTING WITH GREATER MORAL AUTHORITY THAN THIS BODY. >> NASH FOLLOWED BY NICOLE. >> HI. CAN ANYONE HEAR ME? >> WE CAN HEAR YOU. >> OKAY. SO, THIS ORDINANCE, ESPECIALLY SECTION FIVE IS A DIRECT ASSAULT ON OUR FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS. CONTRADICTORY TO WHAT WAS INITIALLY MENTIONED IN THIS DISCUSSION. I'VE SEEN FIRST-HAND OF WHAT IT IS TO FIGHT FOR A FREEDOM. FREEDOM LIKE THE RIGHT TO ASSEMBLE, TO SPEAK UP, TO DISSENT. LET'S BE REAL THIS IS ABOUT SILENCING VOICES OF THE VULNERABLE. LIKE THE PROTEST AGAINST THE GENOCIDE IN GAZA. THIS ORDINANCE DOESN'T JUST TARGET THE UNHOUSED. IT'S A STRIKE AGAINST ANYONE WHO EXERCISES THEY'RE RIGHT TO BE HEARD. TO RAISE VOICES IN THE VOICE OF JUSTICE IS A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT OF DEMOCRACY. IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS CITIZENS. FOR THIS CITY TO STRIP THAT AWAY UNDER THE GUISE OF CLEANING IT UP IS THE -- WE CANNOT ALLOW THIS TO GO UP CHALLENGED. WE NEED REAL SOLUTIONS. SOLUTIONS THAT LIFT PEOPLE UP. NOT LAWS THAT CRIMINALIZE SURVIVAL OR PROTEST. WE MUST DEFEND THE FREEDOMS THAT HAVE BEEN FOUGHT FOR AND HAVE BEEN HELD DEAR. BECAUSE OUR MOMENT TO STAND UP AND DEMAND JUSTICE AND REJECT THE POLITICS OF EXCLUSION. WE MUST FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS AND FOR EACH OTHER. FREE PALESTINE. >> NICOLE FOLLOWED BY PAUL. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS. I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT EVERYONE GETS OFF THEIR PHONE AND ACTUALLY PAYS ATTENTION TO THE PEOPLE ON ZOOM. IT'S MY IMPRESSION THAT IS NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING. I WILL START WITH THE STATEMENT THAT CRIMINALIZING AN EXISTENCE WITH THE PENALTY OF COMMUNITY SERVICE IS ENSLAVEMENT. I'M COMMENTING ON SECTION FIVE OF THIS ORDINANCE. THIS BILL IS AN EGREGIOUS OVERSTEP AND INFRINGES ON THE RIGHT OF CITIZENS TO PROTEST IN PUBLIC SPACE AND SHAMING THE NEIGHBORS AND SUBJECTING THEM TO CRIMINAL RECORDS THAT COMPLICATES OR INHIBIT THEIR ABILITY TO GET ON THE FEET OR RECOVER FROM THESE EXPERIENCES. NOT ONLY IS THIS BILL CRUEL BUT HAS NO BENEFIT OTHER THAN A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY AND AESTHETICS FOR THE CITY'S AFFLUENT. -- THIS BILL DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS AND COMPLICATES THOSE ASSISTANCE EFFORTS. IN ADDITION THE TIMING OF THE BILL IS SUSPECT AND A REASONABLE CONNECTION CAN BE MADE AS OTHERS HAVE SUGGESTED TO THE RECENT ENCAMPMENTS FORMED BY UNM STUDENTS AND CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE TO PROTEST THE GENOCIDE OF PALESTINIANS. DO NOT LET ALBUQUERQUE BE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY. WE DEMAND OUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT BE UPHELD RATHER THAN FOCUSING ON REMOVAL OF STRUGGLING MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. AND THOSE STRONG ENOUGH TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST INJUSTICES. I URGE CITY COUNCIL TO REDIRECT EFFORTS TO HOUSING COSTS. THE FACT THAT RESIDENTS SPEND MORE THAN 30% ON INCOME OF RENT. AND THE UNDESIRABLE CONDITIONS WE HAVE TO ENDURE WITH THE CITY. THAT'S A QUOTE FROM OUR BUDGET. I ALSO NOTE THAT 0.4 OF THE BUDGET IS TO ASSIST UNHOUSED PEOPLE WITH EVICTION PREVENTION. I PUSH THAT WE SHOULD DO THAT EVEN MORE. I WANT US ALL TO CONSIDER THAT IF YOUR NEIGHBORS IS NOT FREE, WE'RE NOT FREE. THANK YOU. >> PAUL, FOLLOWED BY FLORBELLA. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M A DOWNTOWN RESIDENT AND HOMEOWNER. I WISH TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT OF O-42. IN PARTICULAR IN HOW IT ADDRESSES COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. THIS IS A COMPLEX BILL THAT IS ATTEMPTING TO BEGIN TO ADDRESS A COMPLEX PROBLEM. IT BY MEANS SOLVES ALL THE PROBLEMS OF DOWNTOWN. IT GETS THE PROCESS STARTED IN ADDRESSING THE VACANCIES THAT LED TO A PERCEPTION OF DECAY AND THE PERCEPTION OF DOWNTOWN AS AN UNWORTHY PLACE TO LIVE OR DO BUSINESS. CHANGING THIS PERCEPTION MUST BEGIN TODAY. WE CAN'T KICK THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD BECAUSE OF THE COMPLEXITY. WE HAVE A STRONG COALITION OF RESIDENTS AND OWNERS THAT SUPPORT THIS BILL. I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE SPIRIT OF COMPROMISE SHOWN IN THE AMENDMENTS THAT ADDRESS MANY OF THE OBJECTIONS TO THIS BILL. THOSE AMENDMENTS SHOULD NOT DELAY ACTION OR TAKE THE TEETH OUT OF ENFORCEMENT ON DELINKP WOULDN'T PROPERTY OWNERS. YES, WE NEED TO PROPERLY ADDRESS THE MANY OTHER ISSUES THAT WILL REMAIN EVEN WITH PASSING THIS BILL. WE WILL STILL NEED TO GET TO THE ROOT CAUSES OF UNAFFORDABLE HOUSING, LACK OF MENTAL HEALTH CARE SERVICES, ADDICTION AND CRIME. PLEASE DO NOT FAIL TO TAKE ACTION BECAUSE THIS BILL IS NOT EVERYTHING WE NEED. I URGE YOU TO APPROVE THIS ORDINANCE. THANK YOU. >>-- FOLLOWED BY RUDOLPH. >> CAN YOU HEAR ME? >> WE CAN HEAR YOU. PLEASE PROCEED. >> ALL RIGHT. I'M HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST SECTION FIVE OF THE ORDINANCE. THE NO OBSTRUCTION ZONE. ON FRIDAY I WAS WALKING THROUGH DOWNTOWN AREA AND THERE WAS A LOT GOING ON. THERE WAS THE PALESTINE PROTEST. LIVE BAND PLAYING OUTSIDE. FOOD TRUCKS. PEOPLE EATING. FAST FOOD. TABLES SET UP OR SITTING DOWN. PEOPLE RESTING BY LAYING DOWN ON THE SIDE WALK. AND THE ONLY THING I WAS THINKING ABOUT IS IF THIS ORDINANCE WOULD HAVE BEEN PASSED LAST MONTH EVERYBODY THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN FINED. GOING THROUGH DOWNTOWN WORKING THROUGH THERE OR GOING THROUGH EVENTS EVEN WITH PEOPLE LAYING ON THE SIDE WALK I'VE NEVER COME INTO A SITUATION WHERE I COULDN'T GO INTO A BUSINESS OR I COULDN'T WALK THROUGH THE SIDE WALK. I THINK IT'S RIDICULOUS THAT WE WANT TO FINE PEOPLE $100 CONSIDERING THAT NEW MEXICO IS ONE OF THE POOREST STATES IN THE COUNTRY AND IT WOULD TAKE PEOPLE FIVE TO TEN HOURS TO MAKE A HUNDRED DOLLARS. WE WANT THEM TO PROVIDE FREE LABOR FOR THE CITY. THE SECTION SEEMS TO BE TAILORED FOR WANTING A SECTION FOR TOURISTS THAN FOR THE LOCAL COMMUNITY. THERE WAS AMENDMENTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP DURING THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING. I HOPE IT WOULD BE LOOKED AT AGAIN AND FURTHER CHANGES WILL BE MADE OR TO GET RID OF THAT SECTION COMPLETELY AND FOR THE COUNCILORS TO STOP TRYING TO CRIMINALIZE PROTESTERS AND UNSHELTERED PEOPLE. I WANT TO STATE THAT I THINK IT WAS UPSETTING THAT THE COUNCIL WAS MORE UPSET THAT NOBODY GOT PENALIZED FOR THE PROTEST FOR STEALING THE FLAG OR THROWING THE PAINT VERSUS ADDRESSING WHY THESE PEOPLE ARE PROTESTING. THESE PEOPLE ARE WANTING FOR THE CITY TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT IS HAPPENING IN PALESTINE AND IT'S STILL NOT BEING DONE. >> RUDOLPH FOLLOWED BY MATT. >> HELLO. >> GO AHEAD. >> MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, PRESIDENT LEWIS, I REALLY WAS GOING TO SPEAK -- TODAY IS OCTOBER 7th. WE HAVE TO REMEMBER ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL ON THE HANDS OF THE TERRORISTS. -- [ INAUDIBLE ] >> MATT, FOLLOWED BY BEX. I DON'T SEE BEX ON ZOOM AT THIS TIME. IS BEX IN THE HOUSE? MATT. I'LL TRY TO GET RUDOLPH BACK ON. >> GOOD EVENING. A LOCAL DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SERVICE PROVIDER IN CENTRAL NEW MEXICO. I'M HERE BECAUSE WE'RE CONCERNED WITH THE IMPLICATIONS THAT 24-42, SPECIFICALLY THE EASE WITH WHICH THE LANGUAGE OF SECTION FIVE CAN CRIMINALIZE UNHOUSED INDIVIDUALS OR INDIVIDUALS EXPERIENCING MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS. THE EXTENT TO WHICH CORPORATE GREED HAS MADE STABLE HOUSING A SCARCE RESOURCE HAS MADE IT DIFFICULT FOR LOW INCOME INDIVIDUALS OR VIMMINGS IN CRISIS INCLUDING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SURVIVORS TO FIND SECURE HOUSING AND THUS END UP UNHOUSED. ALLOWING THIS ORDINANCE TO CRIMINALIZE THEM OR ANYONE WHO IS UNHOUSED AND OCCUPYING A PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY WILL TRAUMATIZE THEM AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE FINANCIAL INSTABILITY MAKING THEM MORE LIKELY TO RETURN TO AN ABUSIVE SITUATION. WHILE WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO DOWN TOWNSHIP REVITALIZATION, WE URGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO RE-EXAMINE THE ORDINANCE TO MAKE SURE IT'S PEOPLE-CENTERED NOT PROPERTY-CENTERED. ON A PERSONAL NOTE, THIS IS NOT ME IN A PROFESSIONAL CAPACITY, THIS IS ME AS A PRIVATE CITIZEN, I'M DEEPLY DISTURBED BY THE COMPANIES TO CRIMINALIZE UNSHELTERED PEOPLE AND SADDLE THEM WITH DEBT THROUGH FINES AND FEES CONNECTED TO A FOR-PROFIT SYSTEM. CRIMINALIZING THE MOST VULNERABLE IS THE FIRST STEP TO THE MASS VIOLENCE EVENTS LIKE THE GENOCIDE IN GAZA AND THERE ARE TRAGICALLY MANY COROLLARIES TO THE TYPES OF ORDINANCES AND LEGISLATION PUT FORWARD THIS YEAR. SO, WE URGE -- I URGE THE COUNCIL TO RECONSIDER THIS AND MAKE SURE THINGS ARE PEOPLE-STRED NOT FOCUSED ON PROPERTY. THANK YOU. >> RUDOLPH. >> THIS IS A NEW PHONE. I HAD THIS PHONE WHERE I'M ABLE TO SPEAK WITH YOU GUYS. I'M GOING TO BE TRYING TO USE ZOOM MORE. BECAUSE I GET THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY COMING TO ME TOO STRONG BECAUSE OF MY VIEWS ON CHILD PROTECTION. I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO COUNCILOR BACA FOR NOT BRINGING THE -- BECAUSE HE ASKED -- THAT'S THE SOLUTION WE NEED. SOMETHING THAT THE PEOPLE CAN FIND PROTECTION, A PLACE POOP, A PLACE TO OWN, TO PUT THEIR CLOTHES SO THEY CAN CHANGE WHEN THEY SHOWER IN TOWN. I PROMISE -- THE OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO SPEAK -- BUT I'M GOING TO SAY SO I DON'T TAKE TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME. FIRST THING FOR THE CITY YOU HAVE NO IDEA, YOU KNOW, HOW IMPORTANT $200 A MONTH IS. ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE IS THE FUTURE. WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DETECT CORRUPTION BEFORE IT HAPPENS. IT'S INCREDIBLE THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BRING UP TO OUR CITY. I COMPLETELY SUPPORT IT. AND THERE ARE LOTS OF ISSUES FOR THE ISSUE FOR THE CHILDREN. I SUPPORT THE CHILDREN. -- IT TALKS ABOUT INCLUSIVE. AND I DON'T WANT NO CHILDREN IN ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH INCLUSION. -- NOT ABOUT TEACHING OUR CHILDREN ABOUT SEX ORGANS. I WANT IT TO BE OUT OF IT PLEASE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> MR. PRESIDENT, I'M NOT SEEING BEX. AT THIS TIME THAT DOES CONCLUDE COMMENT ON O-42. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. I'M GOING TO GIVE -- I'M GOING TO TAKE A MOMENT AND MAKE SURE WE GOT EVERYBODY. AS FAR AS WE KNOW, THAT'S EVERYBODY FOR O-42. OKAY. O-42 IS THE MOTION. DO PASS THAT'S ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW. WE ARE GOING TO GO TO O-21, WHICH IS THE APPOINTMENT OF MEMBER TO THE ACCOUNTABILITY AND GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT COMMUNITY. I MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE OC- -- >> MR. PRESIDENT, FIRST YOU WOULD NEED TO TABLE THE EXISTING LEGISLATION, THEN YOU MOVE TO PULL THIS OFF OF THE -- >>COUN. LEWIS: WE NEED TO TABLE THAT? ALL RIGHT. I MOVE TO TABLE O-42. MOTION AND SECOND TO TABLE O-42. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES. O-42 IS TABLED. AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE OC-21. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THAT. THE MOTION IS TO REMOVE THAT FROM THE TABLE. SECOND ON THAT BY COUNCILOR GROUT. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES. AND SO OUR STAFF HAVE TALLIED THE DECISION. AND THE NEW MEMBER OF THE ACCOUNTABILITY AND GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE IS LEAH ARMSTRONG. I MOVE CONFIRMATION. MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE TO CONFIRM. AND THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. MOTION PASSES. AND WE'RE GOING TO WELCOME LEAH ARMSTRONG AND THANK YOU FOR SERVING. CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR APPOINTMENT TO THE AGO COMMITTEE. AND -- THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE AND LOOK FORWARD TO VISITING WITH YOU ABOUT SERVING MAYBE IN ANOTHER CAPT HERE AT CITY HALL WHERE I KNOW MANY GIFTS AND TALENTS THE CITY CAN USE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BRIEF RECESS. WE'LL BE BACK IN EXACTLY 30 MINUTES. THANKS. >>COUN. LEWIS: I MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE O-42 FROM THE TABLE. SECONDED BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. MOTION PASSES. PASSES ON A 6-1. WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL. COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: I'D LIKE TO MOVE FLOOR AMENDMENT PACKET A THROUGH L ON YOUR iPAD. I'D LIKE TO START WITH LETTER A. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. COUNCILOR, YOU'RE MOVING THE FIRST AMENDMENT? >>COUN. BACA: YES. >>COUN. LEWIS: AMENDMENT A IS AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS IS AN AMENDMENT THAT -- >>COUN. LEWIS: I NEED A SECOND. OKAY. SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. GO AHEAD, COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS AMENDMENT WAS DRAFTED WITH MEMBERS FROM THE NAIOP. THEY DIDN'T ULTIMATELY SUPPORT THE AMENDMENT, I FEEL IT'S A VERY REASONABLE AMENDMENT GIVEN THAT IT'S THEIR INFLUENCE. HELPED ME CLEAR A LOT OF THINGS. I WOULD LIKE TO STRIKE THE SESSION, AND COUNCIL STAFF CAN HELP ME ON THIS, THE SECTION THAT DEALS WITH ALL FLOORS ABOVE THE FIRST. SO THEY'RE NOT INCLUDED IN THIS PACKET OR IN THIS AMENDMENT. AND ALSO TO CLARIFY THAT OCCUPANCY -- QUALIFIES FIRST FLOOR QUALIFIES AS OCCUPANCY SO LONG AS ONLY 80% IS OCCUPIED. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, WE'RE GOING TO PULL THAT UP ON THE SCREEN SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE CHANGES WOULD LOOK LIKE. >>COUN. BACA: ESSENTIALLY MAKING ONLY THE FIRST FLOOR QUALIFY AS PART OF THIS BILL. ALL OTHER FLOORS IN EVERY BUILDING WOULD NOT COUNT TOWARD VACANCY. IN ADDITION IT LOWERS THE AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT COUNTS TOWARD OCCUPANCY. SO ALL HALLWAYS, DOESN'T COUNT FOR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. AND YOU CAN HAVE 20% VACANT. IT WILL BE OKAY. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN THE SECOND PAGE OF THE AMENDMENT HAS SUBSECTION TWO, FLOORS COMBINED USABLE FLOOR AREA IS 80% OR MORE VACANCY AND ONLY ENFORCEABLE AFTER JUNE 30, 2020. THAT HIS BEEN STRICKEN THROUGH. THIS IS WHAT REMAINS THAT ONLY THE GROUND FLOOR WOULD BE IPUBLICABLE FOR THE REJ VERY REGISTRATION . >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. UNDER THIS NEW PROPOSAL, VACANCY IS ONLY DEFINED ON THE GROUND FLOOR. YOU CAN HAVE 20 OTHER FLOORS THAT ARE COMPLETELY ZERO, IF YOU HAVE 20% OF YOUR GROUND FLOOR, THEN YOU'RE NOT VACANT? >>COUN. BACA: 80%. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: 80% FULL ON THE GROUND FLOOR, YOU'RE NOT A VACANT BUILDING? THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILORS, OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? COUNCILOR BACA, ANYTHING? >>COUN. BACA: DO PASS. >>COUN. LEWIS: THIS IS AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. CLOSED DISCUSSION ON IT. AND COUNCILORS, THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. I DON'T KNOW, WHAT DID YOU GET? I'M SORRY. >> MR. PRESIDENT, DO THAT ONE MORE TIME. >>COUN. LEWIS: ONE MORE TIME. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. LEAVE THEM THERE. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. RAISE YOUR HAND. PASSES ON A 5-3. OR 5-4. 5-3. OKAY. COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. AMENDMENT B IS ADDRESSED -- >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR, AMENDMENT A COMPLETELY CORRECTS EVERYTHING THAT AMENDMENT B HAD. >>COUN. BACA: CORRECT. I'D LIKE TO WITHDRAW AMENDMENT B. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. COUNCILORS, AMENDMENT C IS MY AMENDMENT. I'LL MOVE THAT AS AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. AND THIS IS REALLY A DELAY, I'M GOING TO CHANGE THAT TO FIVE YEARS, CAN WE DO THAT? WHEREVER IT SAYS TEN, CHANGE TO FIVE. AND THAT'S THE AMENDMENT THAT HAS BEEN IN THERE THE LAST TWO WEEKS. I'LL MOVE AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. MATT, WANT TO GIVE A QUICK EXPLANATION? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, WHAT THIS AMENDMENT WOULD DO IS BASICALLY A PROPERTY OR IN THIS CASE THE GROUND FLOOR WOULD HAVE TO BE VACANT FOR AT LEAST FIVE YEARS BEFORE WE'RE ABLE TO REQUIRE THE VACANCY REGISTRATION FEE. AND SO IF YOU CAN -- AS YOU SEE IN THE AMENDMENT THAT ALSO GETS ADDED TO THE QUESTION FOR THE VACANCY REGISTRATION FEE IN THAT IT'S YEARS VACANT, NOW IT WOULD BE MINUS FOUR. AND THEN THE MULTIPLIER WHICH WOULD BE THE SQUARE FOOT BASE COST AND THE AREA OF VACANCY. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: WITH AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE THAT JUST PASSED, IF THIS PASSES, THEN SOMETHING THAT IS OCCUPIED 50% FOR FIVE YEARS WOULD STILL BE CONSIDERED VACANT? HALF OF IT IS FULL. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE YES. THAT IS CORRECT. AS LONG -- IF THEY'RE NOT MEETING THAT 80% OCCUPANCY THEY WOULD BE CONSIDERED VACANT. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? WE'LL CLOSE THE DISCUSSION. AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO IS MOVED AND SECONDED. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. LEAVE THEM THERE. AND THOSE OPPOSED, SAY NO. THAT MOTION FAILS ON A 2-5. 2-6. ALL RIGHT. BASIC MATH, HERE. >> MR. PRESIDENT -- >>COUN. SANCHEZ: SORRY TO BRING THIS UP. I UNDERSTAND THE EFFORT THAT COUNCILOR BACA HAS PUT FORTH, BUT I AM NOT -- I CAN GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE'RE GOING TO THROUGH THIS STACK OF AMENDMENTS AND I DON'T SUPPORT THE BILL AND I KNOW THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER COUNCILORS ON THE DAIS THAT DON'T SUPPORT IT AS WELL. I MEAN, ARE WE GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS STACK AND CONTINUE IN THE SAME FASHION, OR IS THERE A WAY WE CAN JUST VOTE ON IT AND SEE WHETHER WE WANT THIS BILL OR NOT? >>COUN. LEWIS: I GUESS THAT'S THE WISH OF THE SPONSOR. I FOR ONE -- AT THIS POINT, EVEN AFTER THESE TWO AMENDMENTS, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS BILL. I'LL VOTE DOWN ULTIMATELY. BUT, IT'S THE WISH OF THE SPONSOR IF WE WANT TO GO THROUGH ALL THESE AMENDMENTS OR NOT. WE'LL GO TO -- I BELIEVE THE WE HAVE NEXT AMENDMENT. ITEM D. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. ITEM D. THIS ELIMINATING GOVERNMENT-OWNED BUILDING AND NEXUS EXCEPTION. I THOUGHT IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT IT'S HARD TO SEE THE FEDERAL -- WE CAN'T FINE THEM. SOME FOLKS SAID WE SHOULD LEAD BY EXAMPLE AND HAVE THIS TAKEN OUT. I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE. DO PASS. >>COUN. LEWIS: IT'S MOVED AND SECONDED. THIS IS AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE, CORRECT? MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE. GO TO A VOTE. CLOSED DISCUSSION. THOSE IN FAVOR OF AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE? SAY YES. THOSE OPPOSED, SAY NO. MOTION FAILS ON A 4-4. I'M SORRY? >> MR. PRESIDENT, CAN WE SEE THE HANDS OF YESES? >>COUN. LEWIS: RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES ON AMENDMENT THREE. OPPOSED NO. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO THIS AGAIN. IF YOU'RE HERE YOU HAVE TO VOTE. IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED SAY NO AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT FAILS ON A 4-5. ALL RIGHT. ITEM E, THIS STRIKES PRIVATE CAUSE OF ACTION. ITEM E WILL BE AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR IN YOUR PACKET. REALLY JUST STRIKES THAT SECTION. MATT, WANT TO GIVE A QUICK EXPLANATION? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILORS, WHAT THIS WOULD DO IS FULLY ELIMINATE PRIVATE CAUTION OF ACTION FROM THE VACANCY REGISTRATION ORDINANCE. WHAT PRIVATE CAUSE OF ACTION DOES IS ALLOW A PRIVATE PROPERTY OR PRIVATE CITIZEN THE ABILITY TO UNDERGO CIVIL ACTION BY THEIR NEIGHBORS AND USE OUR OWN ORDINANCE FOR THAT CIVIL ACTION. LOOKING OVER AT MY COLLEAGUE TO MAKE SURE THAT'S ACCURATE. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILORS, ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ON THIS AMENDMENT? THIS IS AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR. IT'S MOVED AND SECONDED. COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS WAS INCLUDED BECAUSE SEVERAL PROPERTY OWNERS ASKED ME TO PUT IT IN. THEY FELT THIS WOULD GIVE THEM A VOICE AND WOULDN'T GIVE ALL THE VOICE TO THE CITY, TO THE GOVERNMENT. THAT'S WHY IT WAS INCLUDED. BY ALL MEANS, LET'S TAKE A VOTE. >>COUN. LEWIS: AGAIN, I THINK, AND CERTAINLY COUNCILOR BACA'S INTENTION ON A LOT OF THIS BILL, CERTAINLY SOME OF THESE, WAS TRYING TO DEAL WITH LONG-STANDING PROBLEM WITH VACANCIES. WHICH IS A REAL PROBLEM. AND THAT WAS -- BUT, I THINK, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST UNINQUENTED CONSEQUENCES THAT COMES WITH THAT. OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE AMENDMENT? AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY NO. THAT MOTION PASSES ON A 5-4. WE'LL GO TO ITEM F. COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS IS FOR THE USE OF FEES AND FINES TO FUND ENFORCEMENT AND ALBUQUERQUE COMMUNITY SAFETY. ALL FUNDS GENERATED THROUGH THE REGISTRATION WOULD GO TOWARD BOTH ENFORCEMENT DOWNTOWN AND SOCIAL SERVICES. >>COUN. LEWIS: THAT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. SECONDED BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. OKAY. NOT A SECOND, NEED A SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILOR BASSAN. NOW YOU KNOW HER FIRST NAME. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. JUST A CLARIFYING QUESTION, I UNDERSTAND THAT ALL OF THE FUNDING THAT'S BROUGHT IN WOULD BE RESERVED FOR DOWNTOWN ENFORCEMENT. DOES IT RESERVE IT FOR ALBUQUERQUE COMMUNITY SAFETY DOWNTOWN? OR DOES IT APPLY TO ALBUQUERQUE COMMUNITY SAFETY CITY-WIDE? >> COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, IT WOULD BE GENERAL ALBUQUERQUE COMMUNITY SAFETY NOT JUST THE SUBSTATION DOWNTOWN. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. LET'S TAKE A VOTE. >>COUN. LEWIS: OTHER QUESTIONS, DISCUSSIONS? THIS IS AMENDMENT NUMBER FIVE. CLOSED DISCUSSION. GO TO A VOTE. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. MOTION FAILS ON A 1-8. WE'LL GO TO AMENDMENT G. THIS IS WILL BE AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX. THIS AMENDMENT REMOVES RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND CONVERT BACK TO THE DELPIDATION ORDINANCE AND MAKES IT CONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE CITY. AS FAR AS CODE ENFORCEMENT. THAT EXPLAINS IT WELL. COUNCILORS, ANY DISCUSSIONS ON THIS AMENDMENT? THIS IS AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX? AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX. >>COUN. ROGERS: THAT WOULD TAKE US BACK TO THE EXISTING 15% DILAPIDATED? THAT IS WHAT THAT TAKES US BACK TO? THE ORIGINAL. >> THIS WOULD TAKE US BACK TO THE CITY-WIDE COMMERCIAL DEDAPIDATED ORDINANCE. THE ONE THING THAT WOULD STAY THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN THE GENERAL ORDINANCE THAT EXISTS NOW IS THAT THE ANNUAL SURVEY FOR THE PROPERTIES OF THE DOWN TOWN CENTER WOULD REMAIN. THIS WOULD JUST REMOVE THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND GO BACK TO THE EXISTING LANGUAGE. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT. AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX. MOVED AND SECONDED. DID YOU GET A SECOND ON IT. IT NEEDS A SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? AMENDMENT NUMBER SIX, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. AND THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO. MOTION PASSES ON A 6-3. WE'LL GO TO ITEM H. COUNCILOR BACA OR COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: AAMENDING THE N OBSTRUCTION. STRIKE SUBSECTION E, AND 2-2-7-14 IN ITS ENTIRETY. THIS ELIMINATING THE PROHIBITION OF CARRYING SIGNS AND BANNERS INTO THE NO OBSTRUCTION ZONE PORTION OF THE ORDINANCE. THE SECOND PART OF THIS AMENDMENT ADDS THE EXCEPTION UNDER NO OBSTRUCTION ZONE FOR STREET PERFORMERS, MUSICIANS, ANY PERSONS CREATING TO CREATIVE ECONOMY IN THE SIDEWALK SPACE. THE INTENT IS TO ENSURE THIS DOES NOT INFRINGE ON THAT EXISTING DOWNTOWN CULTURE. PART SIX ADDS A NEW SUBSECTION F EXEMPTION UNDER THE NO OBSTRUCTION ZONE THAT REAFFIRMS THE PROTECTION UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: THAT'S MOVED AND SECONDED. QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON THE BILL? ON THE AMENDMENT? THIS IS AMENDMENT NUMBER SEVEN. YOU KNOW, I GUESS MY ONLY COMMENT ON THIS IS THAT, AND HONESTLY I DON'T SEE A NEED FOR SECTION FIVE ANYWAY, BECAUSE WE DON'T ENFORCE OUR EXISTING RELATED TYPE OF ORDINANCES AND LAWS DOWNTOWN ANYWAY. I'M NOT SURE IF FIVE IS GOING TO DO MORE THAN THAT ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE UNWILLING TO ACTUALLY HAVE A -- THE KIND OF COMMUNITY POLICING THAT I THINK IS TOUTED BY THIS ADMINISTRATION FOR A LONG TIME, THE PRESENCE IS NOT THERE. AND A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO AND COULD DO THAT FALLS IN THE HANDS OF ADMINISTRATION. TO GIVE MORE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, WHICH I'M NOT SURE WOULD MAKE MUCH OF DIFFERENCE ANYWAY. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT ON IT. COUNCILORS, ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? WE'LL CLOSE DISCUSSION AND GO TO A VOTE. THIS AMENDMENT NUMBER SEVEN. AND IT'S MOVED AND SECONDED. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. MOTION PASSES ON A 6-3. 7-2. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR ROGER -- [ INAUDIBLE ]. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THE NEXT ONE I DO NOT NEED TO MOVE. >>COUN. LEWIS: THAT'S AMENDMENT I. WE'LL GO TO AMENDMENT J. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. AMENDMENT J IS ON PAGE 19, SUBSECTION 8-2-7-14E2. FOR THE NO OBSTRUCTION ZONE. STRIKING THE SUBSECTION B ONLINE 8 THROUGH 10 AND STRIKING SUBSECTION G ON LINE 23 AND RENUMBERING THE SUBSECTION ACCORDINGLY. THIS REMOVES SUBSECTION B AND G WITHIN THE SECTION E WRONGFUL USE OF SIDEWALKS IN THE OBSTRUCTION ZONE. ELIM THATS THE POSSIBILITY OF ENFORCEMENT OF FINES FOR ANYONE SITE CITYING, SLEEPING, OR CROUCHING ALONG THE SIDEWALK AND ANY PARTICIPATING IN OTHER CONDUCT THAT DEPRIVES PEDESTRIANS FROM THE USE OF THE SIDEWALK. I URGE DO PASS. >>COUN. LEWIS: I NEED A SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. ANYBODY SLEEPING, OR LYING, DOING PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING ON THE SIDEWALK CAN DO ANYTHING ON THE SIDEWALK NOW? >>COUN. ROGERS: IT'S THE -- >>COUN. LEWIS: DIDN'T WE STRIKE THAT A MOMENT AGO? THE AMENDMENT? >> COUNCILORS, WE DID NOT STRIKE THAT YET. IT WAS THE SUBSECTION PERTAINING TO BANNERS AND SIGNS. >>COUN. LEWIS: UNDERSTOOD. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS? ON THE AMENDMENT. AMENDMENT NUMBER EIGHT. AMENDMENT NUMBER EIGHT. BACK TO THE SPONSOR. >>COUN. ROGERS: I URGE A DO PASS. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT. CLOSE DISCUSSION. AND GO A VOTE. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. THAT FAILS ON A 3-6. WE'LL GO TO AMENDMENT K, COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS AMENDMENT IS ON PAGE 20, LINE 26 IN THE NO OBSTRUCTION ZONE ORDINANCE. DELETING SUBSECTION 8-2-7-14G3. THIS REMOVES THE PENALTY STRUCTURE FOR VIOLATIONS OF THE NO OBSTRUCTION ZONE ORDINANCE. AND ONLY PENALIZES VIOLATORS FOR $100 OR FOUR HOURS OF COMMUNITY SERVICE. >>COUN. LEWIS: NEEDS A SECOND. ALL RIGHT COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN WITH A SECOND. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ON AMENDMENT NUMBER NINE? COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. LEWIS: CLOSE DISCUSSION. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. MOTION FAILS ON A 4-5. ITEM L, COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: OH, THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS RESTRUCTURES THIS SO THAT PRIOR TO ANY CITATION OR PENALTY ALBUQUERQUE COMMUNITY SERVICE WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT AND OFFER SERVICES, OFFER A RIDE, OFFER ANY SUPPORT THEY CAN TO ANY UNHOUSED PERSON. AND IF IT'S AN UNHOUSED PERSON. TO BE CLEAR, THIS BILL PERTAINS 24-7. IT COULD BE A PERSON COMING OUT OF A NIGHT CLUB WITH A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT COULD BE CITED FOR THIS. THIS IS MAKING SURE THAT IF IT'S AN UNHOUSED PERSON ACS GOES OUT. >>COUN. LEWIS: ANY QUESTIONS ON THE AMENDMENT? WE'LL CLOSE THE DISCUSSION. >>COUN. BACA: MOVE DO PASS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOVED AND SECONDED. THIS IS AMENDMENT TEN. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. MOTION PASSES ON A 6-3. COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS TO THE BILL? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I'D LIKE TO MOVE AN AMENDMENT THAT STRIKES SECTION FIVE OF THE BILL IN ITS ENTIRETY. >>COUN. LEWIS: NEED A SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. PRETTY SIMPLE. IT'S JUST A SIMPLE AS AMENDMENT NUMBER 11. IT WOULD STRIKE SECTION FIVE. COUNCILORS, ANY CLARIFICATION OR DISCUSSION ON AMENDMENT NUMBER 11? >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY. WE JUST HEARD FROM OUR PRESIDENT THAT THERE'S NO NEED FROM THIS SECTION. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE GET RID OF THIS SECTION BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME GOOD THINGS IN THIS BILL BUT WITH THIS SECTION IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM I CAN'T SUPPORT IT. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. LEWIS: AMENDMENT NUMBER 11 MOVED AND SECONDED. THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR HAPPENED AND SAY YES. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. MOTION FAILS ON A 4-5. WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL. THIS IS O-42 AS AMENDED. COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS IS, AS I SAID BEFORE, THIS IS A GOOD-FAITH EFFORT. TO PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING THAT ADDRESSES LONGSTANDING ISSUES. MET WITH MULTIPLE GROUPS, MULTIPLE STAKEHOLDERS, PROPERTY OWNERS, BUSINESS OWNERS, RESIDENTS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. SO MANY DIFFERENT ASSOCIATIONS. WE MADE A TON OF REASONABLE AMENDMENTS IN THIS. I THINK THIS IS A VERY REASONABLE BILL. IT'S NOT PERFECT BY ANY MEANS. BUT IT IS A FIRST STEP. AND AS WE KNOW, YOU HAPPEN, JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING PASSED DOESN'T MEAN THAT'S THE FINAL SAY. I'M VERY MUCH COMMITTED TO MAKING ADJUSTMENTS AND CHANGES AS WE MOVE FORWARD. THIS IS JUST STEP ONE TOWARD THAT. AND I ALSO WANT TO PUT OUT THERE THAT I RECEIVED SO MANY COMMENTS, PHONE CALLS, EMAILS, WE ALL DID ON THIS BOARD. SO MANY PEOPLE, SOME FOR, SOME AGAINST. I JUST WANT FOLKS TO KNOW THAT WHILE THE MAJORITY OF PUBLIC COMMENT WAS SPECIFICALLY TO SECTION FIVE, THE MAJORITY OF COMMENTS I RECEIVED OUTSIDE OF COUNCIL MEETINGS WAS FROM PROPERTY OWNERS AND ASSOCIATIONS WHO WANTED TO -- WHO SEARCH -- ESSENTIALLY WANTED TO TAKE OUT SECTION ONE. THE FOLKS THAT COULD HAVE SOMEONE COME HERE AND SPEAK ON THEIR HALF. THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE RESOURCES TO TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE FOLKS KNOW THAT OUT THERE. I SAY LET'S TAKE A VOTE. >>COUN. LEWIS: TO CONTINUE THAT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ON THE BILL? THIS IS O-42 AS AMENDED. I CERTAINLY THINK THERE ARE GOOD THINGS IN THE BILL. I APPRECIATE THE SPONSOR FOR BRINGING IT FORWARD. AND I'D LOVE TO TAKE -- TAKE SOME OF THESE THINGS UP DOWN THE ROAD. INTERESTED IN DOWNTOWN, OBVIOUSLY, THAT WE MAKE DOWNTOWN A PLACE THAT IT SHOULD BE AND A SPECTACULAR PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO GO TO DO BUSINESS, TO LIVE AND I THINK THERE'S A NUMBER OF THINGS WE CAN DO AS A COUNCIL, AS AN ADMINISTRATION TO DO THAT. WHETHER IT BE TO TID DISTRICTS, BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT I THINK COULD REALLY MOVE THE NEEDLE AND DO GOOD THINGS AND I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH THE SPONSOR AND OTHERS TO DO THAT. BUT, I'M OPPOSED TO THIS BILL. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ FIRST AND COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. AS I SAID EARLIER, I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THE BILL. WE HEARD A LOT OF THINGS. WE HEARD ABOUT LOADING ZONE, WE HEARD ABOUT PARKING ENFORCEMENT. WE HEARD ABOUT THE FACT THERE'S CRIMINALIZING HOMELESSNESS. ALTHOUGH, I THINK THE CARTELS ARE CRIMINALIZING HOMELESSNESS WITH RAMPANT DRUG USE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SHOOTINGS. SIX SHOOTINGS NEAR MR. RALPH'S HOUSE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROTESTS AND FIRST AMENDMENT ISSUES. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AUTOMATED AUTO, JUST A LOT OF CONFUSION IN HERE. AND WHEN IT GETS RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE, WHAT I LEARNED AND WHAT WAS REVEALED TO ME IN REFERENCE TO THIS BILL IS THAT WE NEED TO HOLD THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE POLICE ACCOUNTABLE FOR GETTING OUT THERE AND DO IT. IF WE CAN'T HIRE ENOUGH POLICE OFFICERS TO GET IT DONE, WE NEED A DIFFERENT POLICE CHIEF. ONE OF THE THINGS I'M LOOKING AT AS WELL IS I HEARD THE MAYOR ON THE STATE OF THE CITY SAY THAT ACS DIVERTED 80,000 CALLS, IF THEY DIVERTED 80,000 CALLS FROM POLICE WE'RE IN A REALLY, REALLY, REALLY BIG PROBLEM. WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO GET MORE POLICE IN THIS CITY TO DO THE JOB THAT NEEDS TO GET DONE. ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE ALREADY IN THE BOOKS. AS A POLICE OFFICER WE HAD A LAW THAT SAYS STAND, STOPPING, OR PARKING, OBSTRUCTION OR MOVEMENT. THAT'S IN THE BOOKS. WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER ORDINANCE FOR THAT. THIS BILL IS TALKING ABOUT FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS AND SOME MORE POWER TO DO SOME OTHER THINGS, IN REALITY WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT THE -- WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS INCENTIVIZE THE PEOPLE DOWNTOWN. IF WE DON'T ENFORCE THE LAWS THAT ARE IN THE BOOKS RIGHT NOW, WE CAN PASS THIS BILL ALL DAY LONG, IF WE PASS THIS BILL THE NEXT THING WE'RE GOING TO SEE IS SEE THE SAME THING. EVERYTHING IN PLACE RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE NOBODY TO ENFORCE ANY OF THIS. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO SEE THE SAME THING. AUTOMATED ENFORCEMENT, HERE WE ARE SUPPLEMENTING LAW ENFORCEMENT. WE NEED TO BEAR DOWN ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. WE NEED TO HIRE MORE POLICE OFFICERS AND GET A CHIEF THAT CAN DO IT. THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. WE NEED TO INCENTIVIZE THESE FOLKS TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE PEOPLE AFTER WE DEAL WITH THE CRIME PEOPL -- CRIME PROBLEM WRFRN AND FEE DON'T DEAL WITH THE CRIME PROBLEM, ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO UNLESS WE HAVE MORE LAW ENFORCEMENT. THE BOTTOM LINE IS WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN PLACE THAT THIS BILL CALLS FOR. IT JUST NEEDS TO BE ENFORCED AND HANDLED. THAT'S THE ADMINISTRATION'S JOB AND THE POLICE NEED TO GET IT DONE. THE POLICE CHIEF'S JOB TO MAKE SURE HE HAS ENOUGH POLICE OFFICERS TO GET IT DONE. I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THE RANK AND FILE. I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING THEIR TAIL OFF EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE WEEK. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THEY DO IT. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS BILL FORWARD, BUT I STILL THINK IT LACKS THE BACKBONE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. THIS IS COUNCIL DISCUSSION. WE'VE TAKEN A LOT OF TIME TO MAKE SURE WE HEARD FROM ALL THE PUBLIC. I DO APPRECIATE ALL THE PUBLIC FOR COMING OUT AND SPEAKING IN REGARD TO THIS BILL. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. WE'RE DISCUSSING THE BILL. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THERE WERE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE SAID TONIGHT. ONE OF THEM REALLY STRUCK ME. SOMEONE SAID THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT STUFF IN THIS BILL. I REALLY DO AGREE. IF THIS BILL WERE FOUR BILLS, WHICH IN MY MIND, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. I WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR TWO OF THEM WITHOUT ANY AMENDMENTS. THERE ARE REALLY GREAT IDEAS IN HERE. I REALLY DO SUPPORT THEM. AND I HOPE WE CAN BRING THEM BACK IN A WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, CAN GET SOME CONSIDERATION FROM THIS COUNTS -- COUNCIL. THERE'S SECTION FIVE THAT IS INCREDIBLY PROBLEMATIC FOR THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE. ONE PERSON SAID THESE PEOPLE NEED REAL HELP. IF YOU WANT FOLKS THAT ARE UNHOUSED TO GET REAL HELP THIS BILL DOES NOT DO THAT. IT FINES THEM AND MOVES THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY. THERE ARE NO PROVISIONS IN THIS BILL TO HELP PEOPLE EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS. ANOTHER WOMAN SAID THAT WOMEN DOWNTOWN ARE AT RISK OF RAPE ON THE SIDEWALK, THEY'RE BEING RAPED. I DO NOT DISAGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT. I WILL REMIND EVERYONE THAT RAPE HAPPENS IN DISTRICT SEVEN, AND DISTRICT FOUR AND EVERY OTHER DISTRICT UP HERE. THE LOCATION OF THE RAPE IS NOT WHAT'S BOTHERING ME. IT'S THAT WE HAVE UNHOUSED PEOPLE WITHOUT SERVICE. CERTAINLY JUST GIVING THEM A TYPE AND MAKING THEM POORER AND MOVING THEM TO ANOTHER DISTRICT IS NOT THE SOLUTION. AGAIN, I VERY MUCH SUPPORT TWO OF THE FOUR SECTIONS OF THIS BILL. I HOPE THEY COME BACK, BUT THAT SECTION FIVE IS JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT THE CITIZENS OF ALBUQUERQUE WOULD SUPPORT. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: THIS COUNCIL GIVES MILLIONS, MASSIVE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO THIS ADMINISTRATION. EVERYTHING THEY'VE ASKED FOR, REALLY, WHEN IT COMES TO THE UNHOUSED. THE AMOUNT OF MONEY AND VOUCHERS -- I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE DECISION OF THIS COUNCIL. THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'VE GIVEN THE UNHOUSED, TO DRUG ADDICTION, AND DRUG TREATMENT, TO POLICE OFFICERS AND APD. I DON'T THINK THIS COUNCIL HAS SAID NO IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, EIGHT YEARS. I DON'T THINK IT'S EVER SAID NO TO ANYTHING THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS ASKED FOR. SO, THIS COUNCIL HAS WRITTEN A BLANK, BLANK CHECK TO THE ADMINISTRATION. TO BE ABLE TO SOLVE THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE DOWNTOWN. THESE ARE ISSUES THAT ARE RELATED TO LEADERSHIP. THE ADMINISTRATION, YOU KNOW, DOING WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. I MEAN, LOOK AT SOME OF OUR EXISTING LAWS OF OPEN DRUG USE IN PUBLIC PLACES THAT WE'RE NOT ENFORCING. OBSTRUCTION OF PROPERTY IN PUBLIC PLACES THAT ARE EXISTING. THINK ABOUT COMMUNITY POLICING IS SOMETHING THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS TOUTED AND HAS NEVER ACCOMPLISHED OR GOTTEN DONE. I THINK OF THE EXISTING CODE THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE PRETTY STRINGENT AROUND OUR CITY WHEN IT COMES TO BUILDINGS AND ENFORCEMENTS AND OUR ZONING CODES, SO YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS BILL AS IT STANDS IS NOT GOING TO DO IT. COUNCILORS, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, QUESTION ON THE BILL? IF NOT, COUNCILOR BACA, ANY MORE TO CLOSE? WE'LL CLOSE DISCUSSION AND GO TO A VOTE. THIS IS O-42 AS AMENDED. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO, RAISE YOUR HAND. THAT BILL FAILS ON A 1-8. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. MUCH OF YOU WHO WERE SIGNED UP FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, WE ALLOWED YOU TO SPEAK DURING O-42. IF YOU'RE SIGNED UP FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT AND YOU STILL WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT EVEN THOUGH YOU SPOKE ON O-42, YOU'RE STILL WELCOME TO SPEAK DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO AS WELL. CALL THE FIRST SPEAKER. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, WE HAVE TREVOR FOLLOWED BY ANAMI FOLLOWED BY JACKIE. >> I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN BY THANKING YOU ALL EXCEPT FOR COUNCILOR BACA FOR REJECTING O-42. CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL. IT IS WORSENING EVERY DAY, AND THIS WILL BE VINDICATED MORE AND MORE AS TIME GOES ON. EVERY DECISION MADE BY THIS CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE KEEP CLIMATE CHANGE IN PERSPECTIVE. THIS COMES TO PUBLIC TRANSIT. WE NEED TO IMPROVER PUBLIC TRANSIT. WE NEED TO RECONSIDER ZONING TO BE MORE SUSTAINABLE AND DO BIKE LANE DEVELOPMENT. WE NEED TO ADDRESS PARKING. WHEN IT COMES TO THE UNHOUSED, WE HAVE A LOT OF LAND THAT GOES UNDERUTILIZED BECAUSE WE RATHER PROVIDE PARKING FOR VEHICLES RATHER THAN HOUSING FOR REAL FULL HUMAN BEINGS TO DESERVE RESPECT IN HOUSING. I WOULD EVEN CONSIDER RECOMMENDING SUGGESTING PRICING. I'M GOING TO SUGGEST SOMETHING MORE REASONABLE. MY PARTNER LIVES AWAY FROM THE CITY CENTER AND CANNOT DRIVE FOR MEDICAL REASONS. I DO NOT DRIVE FOR FINANCIAL REASONS. AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET AN eBIKE AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET ONE THAT HAS CARRYING CAPACITY TO BRING MY PARTNER PLACES. RIGHT NOW, THERE IS AN ORDINANCE THAT IS PROHIBITING THE USE OF eBIKES ON THE PAVED BOSQUE TRAIL. I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE MY PARTNER ON THAT TRAIL. SO PLEASE REPEAL THIS PROHIBITION AGAINST USING eBIKES ON THE BOSQUE TRAIL. AND ALSO I WANT TO GO BACK TO SOME COMMENTS MADE EARLIER TONIGHT ABOUT DOWNTOWN PROTEST VANDALISM. I WANT TO KEEP IT IN PERSPECTIVE THAT I WANT TO COMMEND THE APD POLICY THAT LIMITS THE ENGAGEMENT, THE ATTACK ON FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS IS A HUGE CONCERN. AND LASTLY, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER THE SCALE OF WHAT THESE PEOPLE ARE PROTESTING. THEY'RE PROTESTING A GENOCIDE. PALESTINIANS ARE BEING ETHNICALLY CLEANSED AND CITIES ARE BEING DECIMATED AND FLATTENED. >> ANAMI FOLLOWED BY JACKIE FOLLOWED BY LISA. >> HI. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERY ONE OF THE COUNCILORS INCLUDING COUNCILOR BACA. YOU GAVE AN SHIT. THAT'S COOL. YOU GAVE THE WRONG SHIT. I THINK THAT THIS EXERCISE SURPRISED ALL OF US. MY FAVORITE AMENDMENT WAS INTRODUCED BY COUNCILOR LEWIS. NO SNITCHING IN THIS CITY. SO NO PRIVATE CAUSE OF ACTION POLICY. DID YOU GET THE EMAIL WITH THE HOMELESS RIGHTS REPORTS A FEW WEEKS AGO, DID YOU READ IT? OKAY. I'M GLAD IT GOT TO HAPPEN AGAIN HERE ABOUT THIS. I'M REALLY GLAD THAT MAMAZ SPOKE. I THINK IT'S SIGNIFICANT THAT WHEN YOU ALL STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT YOU HAVE APPROVED TO SEND TO UNHOUSED SERVICES THAT WAS WHEN SHE LEFT. BECAUSE UNHOUSED SERVICES ARE NOT UNHOUSED PEOPLE. SERVICES WASTE A LOT OF MONEY. THAT'S HOW THEY'RE DESIGNED. I'M NOT TRYING TO POINT FINGERS. IF THE OPIOID SETTLEMENT MONEY WENT STRAIGHT TO HOMELESS PEOPLE IT WOULD FIX LOT OF STUFF. I THINK THAT SORT OF THING SHOULD BE CONSIDERED BY THIS COUNCIL. THANK YOU. >> JACKIE DAVIS FOLLOWED BY LISA FOLLOWED BY ADEO. >> GOOD EVENING, COUNCILORS. I'M UP HERE TODAY REPRESENTING UNM LEAF. WE'RE LEADERS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL ACTION AND FORESIGHT. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT OUR HUMBLE CITY BIRD THE PLASTIC BAG. YOU'VE SEEN THEM IN GROCERY STORES, BUT IF YOU'RE LIKE ME YOU'VE ALSO SEEN THEM IN AN ARROYO IN THE BOSQUE, ON THE TRAILS AND FOOTHILLS AND EVEN ON THE SIDE OF YOUR STREET RIGHT NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE. WE CAN HOST ALL THE CLEAN UPS YOU WANT TO HOST RIGHT BEFORE BALLOON FIESTA TO MAKE OUR CITY LOOK GOOD. WE'RE NOT GOING TO ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM UNLESS WE ADDRESS IT AT THE SOURCE. IN 2022 THIS BODY REPEALED THE BAN ON PLASTIC BAGS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT REINSTATED. LAST MONTH THE CITY OF CARLSBAD A NTORIOUSLY LIBERAL BASTINO IN OUR CITY BANNED PLASTIC BAGS ON A TWO-YEAR BASIS. I I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US DO THAT HERE. LET'S TRY IT, LET'S SEE HOW IT WORKS. AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE LESS LITTER. WE'LL SEE LESS THINGS TO CLEAN UP. WE'LL BE IN A PLACE WHERE I NO LONGER HAVE TO COME UP AND CALL THE PLASTIC BAG OUR CITY BIRD. WE WOULD BE IN GOOD COMPANY. SANTA FE BANS PLASTIC BAGS. LAS CRUCES, TAOS, UNINCORPORATED BERNALILLO COUNTY. WE'D BE IN GOOD COMPANY. IT'S TIME TO DO THIS. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE ONE OF YOU PROPOSE THAT. THANK YOU. >> LISA FOLLOWED BY ADELE FOLLOWED BY LILA. >> THANK YOU. HELLO CITY COUNCILORS, THE POOR YOU WILL HAVE WITH YOU ALWAYS WAS SAID BY SOMEONE PEOPLE CONSIDER A DEITY, BUT THE PRINCIPLE BEHIND IS VERY VALUABLE. REGARDLESS OF WHO YOU BELIEVE THE PERSON WHO SAID IT WAS, THE POOR YOU WILL HAVE WITH YOU ALWAYS, I PREVIOUSLY USED TO BELIEVE THAT MEANT INDIVIDUALS THROUGH THE COURSE OF HISTORY WOULD ALWAYS BE LAZY OR BE ADDICTED TO DRUGS OR MENTAL HEALTH HEALTH ISSUES, BUT BECAUSE OF INTERACTING WITH PEOPLE THAT THOUGHT DIFFERENTLY THAN MYSELF I HAVE GROWN AND I HAVE LURPD LEARNED MY CURRENT PERCEPTION IS WHEN THAT PHRASE AND SENTENCE REALLY MEANT THAT CITY COUNCILS LIKE THIS THAT GOVERNMENT AGENCIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY WOULD ALWAYS BE PUTTING IN SYSTEMS THAT OPPRESSED AND KEPT PEOPLE POOR, LABOR EXPLOITED, ET CETERA. PLEASE, I URGE YOU, I'M SURE THIS ORDINANCE WILL COME BACK IN SHAPE OR FORM AND IF AND WHEN THE SIDE WALK OBSTRUCTION PART COMES BACK PLEASE KNOW IT IS NOT GOING TO DETER ONE OF OF US FROM PROTESTING. I'M HIGHLY LIKELY TO PROTEST MORE WITH BIGGER BANNERS AND SIGNS SO I CAN BE THE FIRST ONE TO GET A TICKET SO THIS YOUNG LADY CAN HAVE SOME WORK TO DO DEFENDING THE CITY ON THE FIRST AMENDMENT OF SHE'S GOING TO HAVE TO THE CASE. PLEASE, THE POOR YOU WILL HAVE WITH YOU ALWAYS, HOW DID THAT SAME PERSON SAY THEY WOULD DEFINE THOSE WHO GET TO BE PART OF WHO ARE APART OF THAT GROUP, WAS THOSE WHO WERE HAVING COMPASSION TO THE LEAST OF THESE. HOW DO THESE ORDINANCES SHOW COMPASSION FROM THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE, FROM WHO WE ARE AS A COMMUNITY, OUR VALUES AS CITIZENS. WHEN SOMEBODY BECOMES DISABLED WE TOSS THEM ASIDE? IF WE MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE SOME SORT OF FUNCTION MENTALLY, I GET ARRESTED? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO TO HELP THE PERSON, THE HUMAN? >> ADELE FOLLOWED BY TAD. >> GOOD EVENING, ALBUQUERQUE CITY COUNCILORS. I DON'T KNOW IF I TOLD YOU THIS ONE YET. BUT WE NEED TO CHECK THE WASTE WATER DATA BECAUSE COVID IS ALL UP IN OUR AND DISABLING US. IF YOU ARE NOT DISABLED YOU MAY SOON BE DISABLED. AND IT IS -- THAT WOULD BE A GREAT SHAME IF WE WERE TO LET THAT NEGLIGENCE DESTROY US. I DON'T THINK THAT RED PAINT IS THE NEGLIGENCE THAT'S GOING TO DESTROY US. I DON'T THINK FLAG-BASED STUNTS ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO DESTROY US. I DON'T THINK IGNORING THE OBVIOUS AND REFUSING TO HEAR OTHER PEOPLE'S CONCERNS IS GOING TO BE A DISASTER. I WISH WE WOULD DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO NEW MEXICO -- I'M SORRY. THE SALUTE TO THE NEW MEXICO FLAG. I LIKE THAT ONE. BUT I DON'T FEEL RIGHT NOW THAT WE ARE IN PERFECT FRIENDSHIP WITH UNIFIED CULTURES WHEN IT COMES TO PALESTINE, WHEN COMES TO ISRAEL. WE NEED PEACE AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT WE NEED AN ARMS EMBARGO. PEOPLE HERE ARE SICK OF LABORING TO HAVE THAT MONEY GET STOLEN FOR GENOCIDE. THAT'S IT. >> FOLLOWED BY TAD FOLLOWED BY ROBERT. TAD FOLLOWED BY ROBERT FOLLOWED BY THERESA. >> WELL, ALBUQUERQUE POPULATION 551,000. HERE IS CITY COUNCIL ALLOWING TWO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE THAT? YES, WE GO INTO BIG BALLROOM AFTER MY SURGERY AND OTHER DISTRICT THAT'S VITAL AND MANY OTHER ISSUE RIGHT HERE HAS TO DO WITH FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. WE GO INTO PARAGRAPH SIX THREE MONTHS FROM NOW. NOW, I SPOKE TO MY BROTHER-IN-LAW AND HE WAS LAUGHING. HE LIVED IN POLAND. HE SAID YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE ANY WAITING ON THE BORDER LINE. MEANING THE SOUTHERN UNITED STATES BORDER LINE. EVERYBODY GO FREE. ALL OVER THE WORLD, IT'S WORD. IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE UNITED STATES GO TO MEXICO AND YOU GET TO UNITED STATES. NOW, HOW MANY EVER SAW MEXICAN HOMELESS? YES, THEY HAVE JOBS ALL OVER. MEN AND WOMEN. WOMEN WORKING ON THE HOUSES, MEN WORKING CONSTRUCTION ALL OVER THE CONSTRUCTION EVERYWHERE. THANK YOU. >> ROBERT FOLLOWED BY THERESA FOLLOWED BY RUDOLPH ON ZOOM. THERESA FOLLOW BY RUDOLPH. RUDOLPH. >> OKAY. PRESIDENT LEWIS, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, WE'RE BACK TO WHAT IT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT MEXICAN WORKING CONSTRUCTION. YEAH, WE WORK EVERYTHING. BUT I FOUND THE OTHER DAY, YOU KNOW, I'M ALWAYS LOOKING FOR A JOB. I ALWAYS LOOK FOR SOMETHING TO DO. AND YOUR DISTRICT, MR. LEWIS, THERE'S THIS BIG APARTMENT CONSTRUCTION AND I WENT TO ASK FOR A JOB. AND EVERYBODY WAS MEXICAN, BUT THEY WOULDN'T HIRE ME BECAUSE I WAS WHITE. YOU KNOW, TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE CONTRACTORS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR ORDINANCE AND ALL THEIR WORKERS, YOU KNOW, ARE IN SOME KIND OF TRADE SCHOOL. AND I THINK THIS IS FAIR BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO GIVE MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR AMERICAN PEOPLE TO GET A JOB IN THE UNITED STATES. WHICH IS SADLY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T GET NO MORE. YOU KNOW, SAME THING IN THE FRONTIER. YOU GO TO THE FRONTIER AND EVERYBODY IS TAKING THE JOBS OF THE STUDENTS. BEFORE IT WAS THE PLACE WHERE THE STUDENT WILL GO TO WORK TO PAY FOR THEIR TUITION, AND NOW IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST GET THESE PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO GO UNDER BEING TREATED AS HUMAN TO GET A JOB. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT BEEN THAT IS COMING TONIGHT. I FOR SURE AM GOING TO BE SUPPORTING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'LL STOP THERE. >> MR. PRESIDENT, THAT CONCLUDES GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: WE'RE GOING NOW TO FINAL ACTIONS. ITEM A. O-25. COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOTION AND SECOND BY COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN FOR DO PASS. I BELIEVE THERE'S A FLOOR AMENDMENT. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE, WE'RE PROPOSING JUST A LITTLE CHANGE. I UNDERSTAND TRANSPARENCY. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. I'M ALL ABOUT -- I TOTALLY AGREE WITH IT. HOWEVER, I DO NOT THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR MY GRANDCHILDREN OR MY CHILDREN, FULL DISCLOSURE, I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY AT HOME NOW. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT MY 18-YEAR-OLD GRANDSON DISCLOSE THAT HE WORKS AT DION'S PIZZA AND MAKES $30,000. WHATEVER. I'M JUST THROWING THAT FIGURE OUT THERE. I'M PROPOSING FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. WHERE WE ARE ADDING IN ON PAGE FOUR, LINE THREE, DOWN AFTER OVER THE AGE OF 18, EXCEPT FOR THE INCOME BELOW $50,000 ACCRUED BY SUCH DEPENDENT CHILDREN. THIS CHANGE AIMS TO PROTECT THE PRIVACY WHILE MAINTAINING TRANSPARENCY FOR SIGNIFICANT INCOME SOURCES. 50% -- $50,000 THRESHOLD IS ALSO REQUIRED BY IRS STANDARDS. I WOULD PROPOSE THAT. >>COUN. LEWIS: ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I AGREE, CHILDREN SHOULD NOT BE PART OF DISCLOSURE, I THINK COUNCILOR BASSAN LAST MEETING DID -- I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY GOOD. WHEN IT GUESS OVER THE AGE OF 18 IT GETS SQUISHY BECAUSE TYPICALLY IS A DEPENDENT OVER 18. IF THEY'RE DISABLED THEY WON'T MAKE ANYTHING. OR IF THEY'RE IN COLLEGE. WE START TALKING ABOUT INTERNSHIPS AND JOBS. WHAT HAPPENS IF MY SON IS WORKING FOR MAXEON. IT'S UNPAID INTERNSHIP BUT THEY NEED TO APPROACH CITY COUNCIL WITH SOME ISSUES. THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN RIGHT THERE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: OTHER DISCUSSION? WE'LL CLOSE. COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. FIRST OF ALL, AT 18 YEARS OLD THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE WORKING AT MAXEON YET. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE MAKING LOTS OF MONEY. I THINK MOST 18 TO 22, 24-YEAR-OLDS THEY'RE GOING TO SCHOOL. THEY'RE JUST GETTING STARTED. AND I DON'T THINK -- IF I'M RUNNING FOR OFFICE, IT'S IMPORTANT I DISCLOSE EVERYTHING. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT MY 18 OR 20-YEAR-OLD DOES. I THINK WE NEED TO RETHINK THAT. I WOULD URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT. AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. MOTION PASSES ON AN 8-1. OTHER AMENDMENTS? >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS IS A FLOOR AMENDMENT. THIS IS JUST A TECHNICAL CHANGE. TECHNICAL AMENDMENT. CLARIFIES THE CPI ADJUSTMENT SHALL ONLY APPLY TO A DOLLAR AMOUNT DISTRIBUTED TO PUBLICLY FINANCED CANDIDATES. ON PAGE 28, LINES 33 REPLACE THE TEXT AS FOLLOWS. I MOVE DO PASS. >>COUN. LEWIS: IT NEEDS A SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILOR GROUT. DISCUSSION ON AMENDMENT TWO? COUNCILOR BACA, YOU WANT AN EXPLANATION? >>COUN. LEWIS: CLERK, ANY COMMENT? >> THIS IS A TECHNICAL CLEANUP. WE USED THE CPI INDEXING IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACE AND USED THE SAME LANGUAGE IN DIFFERENT PLACES BUT BECAUSE WE'RE ADJUSTING TWO DIFFERENT THINGS IT NEEDS TO BE STATED TWO DIFFERENT WAYS. WHAT IT DOES IN PAGE 27 IS WE MAKE CLEAR THAT WHAT'S BEING ADJUSTED IS THE DISTRIBUTION THAT'S BEING TIED TO CPI. IN THE EARLIER REFERENCE WHAT'S BEING ADJUSTED IS CONTRIBUTION. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT. TECHNICAL AMENDMENT. OTHER DISCUSSION, QUESTIONS ON THE AMENDMENT? AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO IS MOVED AND SECONDED. CLOSE DISCUSSION. GO TO A VOTE. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAPPENED. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. MOTION PASSES. WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL. ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS, COUNCILOR BACA? COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I AM LOOKING FOR IT ON THE iPAD. I CAN'T FIND WHERE THE AMENDMENTS ARE. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HELP ME WALK THROUGH THEM. I HAVE FOUR AMENDMENTS THAT I WANTED TO REVISIT. ONE OF THEM FAILED PREVIOUSLY. BUT THE ONE I HAVE IN MY HAND IS THAT -- I DON'T HAVE THEM IN FRONT OF ME. THANK YOU. WHY DON'T I HAVE THEM HERE? OKAY. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILORS, THEY'RE LABELED B, C, D, AND E. >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. THEY'RE IN THE iPAD. I CAN'T FIND THEM, BUT COUNCILOR BACA DID. >>COUN. LEWIS: THIS FIRST ONE IS ITEM B? >>COUN. PEÑA: THE WAY I WANT TO MOVE THE AMENDMENTS FORWARD, THERE'S FOUR AMENDMENTS, BUT THERE'S TWO THAT ARE GOING BACK TO WHAT WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY THAT CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS, WE HAVE NINE CITY COUNCIL DISTRICTS, POPULATION IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE SAME OR DEVIATION OF 5% PER THE CENSUS. CURRENTLY WHAT WE HAVE IS ONE VOTE -- ONE DOLLAR PER REGISTERED VOTED. OBVIOUSLY THAT LEAVES SOME DISTRICTS LIKE MINE, THERE'S FOUR OTHER DISTRICTS, COUNCILOR GROUT, COUNCILOR ROGERS, THAT GET SIGNIFICANTLY LESS THAN SOME DISTRICTS. SANTA FE ACTUALLY HAS TO WHERE THEY GET A FLAT AMOUNT. THAT'S THE ONE I WANT TO MOVE FORWARD. IF WE CAN PULL THAT UP ON THE. >>COUN. LEWIS: IS THAT LABELED NUMBER B IN OUR iPAD? NO, IT'S NOT. I CAN TELL ALREADY. WAS IT D? B, C, D, AND E. YOU HAVE A AS WELL? I DON'T SEE A. THERE'S SEVERAL THAT WERE ALREADY VOTED ON. BUT THE ONES I SEE PROPOSED. THERE'S FOUR OF THEM. B, C, D, AND E. THIS IS E IN YOUR iPAD. THAT LOOKS THE SAME AS ON THE SCREEN. >>COUN. PEÑA: OKAY, MR. PRESIDENT. LET ME EXPLAIN THE TWO AMENDMENTS. TWO OF THE AMENDMENTS, ACTUALLY. ONE OF THEM GOES TO THE AMENDMENT THAT WAS AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING THAT SAID WE WOULD RECEIVE THE AMOUNT BASED ON A FLAT AMOUNT FOR COUNCILORS. THE CITY OF SANTA FE, WHICH IS WE'RE THE ONLY TWO CITIES IN THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO THAT HAVE PUBLIC FINANCING. THE CITY OF SANTA FE ACTUALLY DOES -- KEVIN, CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THIS? >> CERTAINLY, COUNCILOR PEÑA. SANTA FE DOES A FLAT RATE DISTRIBUTION ON COUNCIL DISTRICTS. AND FOR MAYORAL CANDIDATES, I BELIEVE COUNCIL DISTRICTS IT'S $15,000 A DISTRICT. AND I CAN'T OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD WHAT THE MAYOR'S DISTRIBUTION IS. BUT EVERY DISTRICT GETS $15,000. >>COUN. PEÑA: THAT'S SANTA FE. IF YOU CAN EXPLAIN THE OTHER ONE? >> CERTAINLY, THIS CHANGES THE DISTRIBUTION FROM BASED ON A DOLLAR AMOUNT PER REGISTERED VOTER TO A FLAT 55$55,000 PER T COUNCIL DISTRICT. >>COUN. PEÑA: WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO BECAUSE YOU CONFUSED ME? >> WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TWO AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WE'RE DISCUSSING THE -- I THOUGHT WE WERE DISCUSSING THE ONE THAT'S A FLAT RATE OF $55,000 PER DISTRICT. THERE'S AN MOTOR -- ANOTHER AMENDMENT PROPOSED THAT CHANGES IT FROM A DOLLAR AMOUNT BASED ON PER REGISTERED VOTER TO A DOLLAR PER RESIDENT OF THE COUNCIL DISTRICT. >>COUN. PEÑA: EXACTLY. THOSE ARE THE TWO AMENDMENTS. I WOULD PROBABLY MOVE THE FLAT RATE ONE FIRST. AND THE OTHER ONE IF THAT ONE FAILS I'LL MOVE THE SECOND ONE. WE ARE ON THE CORRECT ONE. THIS ONE IS -- >>COUN. LEWIS: WHICH NUMBER IS THAT? >>COUN. PEÑA: FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. I DON'T HAVE AN E. >>COUN. LEWIS: E, YOU SAID? OKAY. THIS IS THE ONE UP. ITEM E IS THE ONE YOU'RE PUTTING UP? >>COUN. PEÑA: YES. THE EXPLANATION IS THE FLOOR AMENDMENT IS EACH CITY COUNCIL CANDIDATE RECEIVES $50,000 REGARDLESS THE NUMBER OF VOTERS IN THE DISTRICT. THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE WAY IT'S DOWN IN SANTA FE. THE ONLY OTHER CITY IN THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO WITH PUBLIC FINANCING. >>COUN. LEWIS: WE NEED TO MOVE THE AMENDMENT. AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. MOVED AND SECONDED BY -- COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE? IT'S THREE BECAUSE IT'S A CONTINUATION. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: SANTA FE GIVES $15,000 FOR PUBLIC FINANCING. DO THEY REQUIRE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SIGNATURES TO QUALIFY FOR PUBLIC FINANCING? >> YES. THEY DO REQUIRE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SIGNATURES. THAT'S BASED ON THE NUMBER OF REGISTERED VOTERS IN EACH DISTRICT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: SIMILAR HERE, I HAVE TO GET 450 SIGNATURES AND DONATIONS TO QUALIFY FOR PUBLIC FINANCING. WHERE OTHERS HAVE TO GET LESS THAN ME BUT GET THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY? I HAVE TO WORK HARDER TO GET THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY AS YOU ARE? >>COUN. PEÑA: WE CAN ACTUALLY ADJUST THAT. I'M SURE WE CAN FIND AN AMENDMENT TO HAVE ADJUST THAT. WHAT DOES SANTA FE DO? >> TO ADDRESS THAT SANTA FE DOES HAVE AN ADDITIONAL PROVISION FOR SMALLER DONATIONS. IT ALLOWS A PERCENTAGE UP TO FOR COUNCILORS THAT ARE ABLE TO RECEIVE SOME SMALL-DOLLAR DONATIONS. IT'S LIMITED TO 25% OF THE ORIGINAL DISTRIBUTION. IN THAT CASE, MY UNDERSTANDING, IS THAT IT'S $15,000 WITH FLAT RATE. WITH SMALL-DOLLAR DONATIONS THEY'RE ABLE TO GET AN ADDITIONAL 25%. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THEY HAVE A MODIFIED ONE, IT'S JUST NOT FLAT AND THEY CAN GET OTHER MONEY AS WELL? OKAY. >>COUN. PEÑA: IN ADDITION TO THAT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, MR. PRESIDENT, WE ACTUALLY, BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY A THRESHOLD THAT SOME COUNCIL DISTRICTS RECEIVE THE $40,000, WE'RE ACTUALLY RECEIVING ADDITIONAL DOLLARS JUST BASED ON -- I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DECIDED, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS GAP IN BETWEEN. WE'RE NOT COLLECTING FOR $40,000 WORTH OF -- $4,000, I'M COLLECTING FOR THE AMOUNT THAT THE REGISTERED VOTERS CURRENTLY. DOES THAT CONFUSE YOU EVEN MORE? >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I'M CONFUSED. MAYBE MR. WATSON CAN ANSWER THIS. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I HAD TO GET 1% OF MY REGISTERED VOTERS. WHICH WAS ROUGHLY ABOUT 443 PEOPLE TO GIVE ME $5 IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR PUBLIC FINANCING. BUT I HAVE THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF REGISTERED VOTERS IN MY DISTRICT. >> MR. PRESIDENT,COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THAT IS CORRECT. IN ORDER TO QUALIFY FOR PUBLIC FINANCING IT'S A SYSTEM BASED ON EACH MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL GATHERING QUALIFYING CONTRIBUTION FROM 1% OF MEMBERS OF THE DISTRICT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: IF WE CHANGE THIS, THEN I STILL HAVE TO GET 440 SIGNATURES, AND SOMEONE WITH 37,000 ONLY HAS TO GET 370 FIVE-DOLLAR DONATIONS? >> THAT APPEARS TO BE IN THE AMENDMENT. BUT THE CITY COUNCIL CAN STRUCTURE THE PUBLIC FINANCING HOW IT WISHES. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: AND I ONLY ASK BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO EQUAL IT OUT. PEOPLE GET $40,000 AND I GET $44,000 AND SIGNS COST THE SAME. IT DOESN'T MATTER. IT COSTS THE SAME FOR YOU AS IT DID FOR ME. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT EVEN ACROSS THE BOARD, IT SHOULD BE EVEN ACROSS THE BOARD. >>COUN. PEÑA: WE NEED TO RELY ON THE STAFF TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING NOW TO ADD AN AMENDMENT TO MAKE THAT EQUITABLE AS WELL. THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO SINCE THE BEGINNING. KEVIN? >> CERTAINLY, JUST EXPRESSING ON WHICH AMENDMENT WOULD YOU LIKE DRAFTED. WOULD YOU LIKE A FLAT NUMBER OF SIGNATURES? SAY 400 PER COUNCIL DISTRICT? OR 350? WHATEVER THE LOWEST THRESHOLD IS? >>COUN. PEÑA: WHAT'S THE THRESHOLD NOW ARRANGED? DOES ANYONE HAVE THAT INFORMATION? >> MR. PRESIDENT, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE RANGE IS BETWEEN 330 AND 450 QUALIFYING CONTRIBUTIONS. I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME. YOU COULD PICK A FLAT NUMBER AND DO A FLAT DISTRIBUTION WITHIN THAT RANGE. >>COUN. PEÑA: 400? OKAY. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR GROUT. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, IT GOES FROM 302 TO 445. >>COUN. LEWIS: WHAT'S IN THERE IS BASED ON SOME LOGIC. IT'S LOGIC. IT'S BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF VOTERS AND 1% LIKE THAT. IF WE'RE DOING THIS, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE JUST PULLING NUMBERS OUT OF THE HAT. WE'RE JUST PICKING A NUMBER. I GUESS WE TAKE AVERAGE, 80%, WHATEVER THE HIGH ONE IS, LOW ONE, WE CAN DO THAT AND PICK A NUMBER RIGHT NOW. TO ME, THERE'S NO LOGIC BEHIND THAT WHATSOEVER. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, IN TERMS OF EQUITY, I THINK THERE'S DEFINITELY, WE ESTABLISHED THE SYSTEM. THAT'S OUR ROLE HERE IS TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE IT IF THERE'S DISCREPANCIES IN THE SYSTEM. FOR ME, IT'S JUST TRYING TO ACHIEVE EQUITY. RIGHT NOW, THE SYSTEM IS INEQUITABLE. BECAUSE MY POINT WAS ON THE CURRENT SYSTEM THAT WE GET A DOLLAR PER REGISTERED VOTERS IN OUR DISTRICT, ALTHOUGH OUR POPULATION IS SIMILAR, WE GET A PER REGISTERED VOTER. AS COUNCILOR CHAMPINE SAID IS WE STILL -- OUR SIGNS COST THE SAME, THERE'S NOT A DEVIATION THERE. AND YET, A FEW YEARS AGO WE PASSED WHERE A FEW COUNCIL DISTRICTS THAT HAVE UNDER A LOWER THRESHOLD ACTUALLY WILL STILL HAVE TO SELECT A LOWER NUMBER OF $5 DONATIONS. SO THAT'S NOT EQUITABLE. THAT DOESN'T ACHIEVE -- I'M GETTING A BONUS. I'M GETTING MORE MONEY BUT I HAVE TO HAVE -- OR EACH REGISTERED VOTER. AND THEN WITH BILLS CURRENTLY IN THE CURRENT FORM, THE SAME COUNCILORS THAT RECEIVE LESS FROM EVERY OTHER COUNCILOR IS GOING TO BE RECEIVING A BOOST IN PUBLIC FINANCING DOLLARS EXCEPT I THINK THERE'S THREE OF US OR FOUR OF US, KEVIN, HELP ME OUT. >> I APOLOGIZE. COUNCILOR, COULD YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? SORRY. I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T HEAR THE QUESTION. COULD YOU REPEAT IT? >>COUN. PEÑA: ISAAC, CAN YOU RESPOND? >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, I'M TRYING TO GO THROUGH THE ORDINANCE TO TO WHERE WE MAKE AN AMENDMENT IF WE WANTED TO SAY ALL COUNCILORS WOULD HAVE TO GET THE SAME NUMBER OF QUALIFIED CONTRIBUTIONS. I ALSO MISSED THE QUESTION. >>COUN. PEÑA: OKAY. >> I'M SORRY. >>COUN. PEÑA: COUNCILOR BASSAN, WILL YOU HELP ME OUT? >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I MAKE A MOTION TO DEFER THIS BILL FOR TWO WEEKS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: SECOND. >>COUN. LEWIS: IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. DISCUSSION ON THE DEFERRAL? I WOULD SAY, I GUESS I DON'T SEE THE INEQUITY. THE PUBLIC FINANCING IS BASED ON REGISTERED VOTERS. YOU CAMPAIGN TO REGISTER VOTERS. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE IN SIGNS. IF YOU HAVE A THOUSAND SIGNS OR 500 SIGNS BASED ON REGISTERED VOTERS, THERE'S AT LEAST SOME LOGIC THERE. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT COMPLETELY EQUITABLE, I'M JUST SAYING IT'S A SYSTEM BASED ON LOGIC. TO REPLACE THIS, FOR ME TO BE COMFORTABLE TO REPLACE IT, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE SOME LOGICAL REASONS INSTEAD OF JUST PULLING OUT A NUMBER OF HOW MANY SIGNATURES YOU HAVE TO GET. I FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT THE MONEY YOU GET TOO. STILL NOT CONVINCED THAT THERE'S AN INEQUITY IN THAT REGARD. BUT THE DEFERRAL IS ON THE FLOOR. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ON THE DEFERRAL? COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: ARE WE DEFERRING THE AMENDMENT? >>COUN. LEWIS: THE MOTION IS TO DEFER THE BILL FOR TWO WEEKS. COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. CAN I GET FEEDBACK FROM THE CITY CLERK. I WAS GOOGLING IT AND IT ONLY HAS TWO, FOUR, SIX, EIGHT BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONLY ONES UP FOR REELECTION. MAYBE YOU CAN PUT ALL OF THEM FOR THE COMMUNITY TO KNOW BECAUSE BASED ON THIS, TWO AND SIX GETS MINIMUM OF $40,000. ALL OF THEM ARPT -- AREN'T LISTED. >> COUNCILOR ROGERS, WE CAN ENSURE THAT COUNCIL STAFF HAS THAT INFORMATION FOR THE NEXT MEETING. >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INEQUITY, I DON'T KNOW IF THE STAFF IS PREPARED TO TALK ON THIS. EVEN IN THIS CURRENT FORM, STAFF HELP ME OUT, IN ITS CURRENT FORM, WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE BONUS OF SOME OF THE -- SOME OF THE COUNCILORS ARE GETTING A LITTLE BONUS, BUT IT STILL LEADS BEYOND THE THRESHOLD. RIGHT NOW, I DON'T KNOW, X AMOUNT OF COUNCILORS, THIS IS WHERE I'M ASKING FOR YOUR HELP, KEVIN, I REALLY NEED YOU. >> COUNCILOR PEÑA, WE'RE ABLE TO PULL IT UP. IT'S COUNCIL DISTRICTS, TWO, THREE, SIX, AND NINE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY MEETING THE MINIMUM. THEY GET THE $40,000 IN DISTRIBUTION. >>COUN. PEÑA: THEY GET THE 40, BUT WITH THE NEW -- IF THIS WERE TO PASS IN ITS CURRENT FORM, I WAS TOLD BY YOU, KEVIN, THAT I STILL WOULDN'T MEET -- >> IF THE AMENDMENT -- OR BEFORE YOU, WITHOUT ANY AMENDMENTS TODAY, AS THE BILL PRESENTED, EVERY COUNCIL DISTRICT EXCEPT FOR YOUR COUNCIL DISTRICT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, WOULD BE ABOVE THE $40,000 MINIMUM DISTRIBUTION. >>COUN. PEÑA: SO, IF I PUT AN AMENDMENT FORWARD THAT I HAVE HERE THAT SAYS LET'S ACHIEVE EQUITY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO, WHERE WOULD I BE AT? >> ONE SECOND FOR THE MATH, COUNCILOR. >>COUN. PEÑA: ETHAN? >> I BELIEVE, IF WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT REGISTERED -- COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, I BELIEVE AT A DOLLAR PER REGISTERED VOTERS YOU WOULD QUALIFY FOR $37,000. BECAUSE CURRENTLY YOUR DISTRICT IS THE ONLY DISTRICT THAT DOESN'T -- THE NUMBER OF REGISTERED VOTERS DOESN'T MEET THAT DISTRIBUTION. AROUND FOUR COUNCIL DISTRICTS QUALIFY FOR MINIMAL DISTRIBUTION. WE CAN WORK WITH COUNCIL STAFF. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT. >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR PEÑA, THE NUMBER IS $37,791. $2,000 BELOW. >>COUN. PEÑA: -- I WOULD NOT BE THE SAME AS ALL OF THE OTHER COUNCILORS, THEN I GET A BONUS TO $40,000. YET, I WOULD HAVE TO COLLECT THE SAME AMOUNT OF REGISTERED VOTERS. SO I WOULD HAVE TO COLLECT LESS? >> CORRECT. YOU RECEIVE A LITTLE OVER $2200 ABOVE THE NUMBER OF REGISTERED AND THE CITY WOULD TECHNICALLY ENTITLE YOU. >>COUN. PEÑA: YEAH. MR. PRESIDENT, I THINK PROBABLY IT SHOULD BE DEFERRED BECAUSE WE'RE PULLING OUT NUMBERS. BUT MY WHOLE POINT TO THIS IS WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LOGIC, WE CREATED THIS. THE CITY OF SANTA FE CREATED IT, THEY HAVE SOME INFORMATION. THEY HAVE A FLAT RATE. THEY'RE PUBLIC FINANCING $16,000 ACROSS THE BOARD. THEY -- WE DECIDED BASED ON REGISTERED VOTER. WE CAN DETERMINE THAT FLAT FEE IS REASONABLE FEE. AND WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE REGISTERED VOTER, FOR THE COLLECTIONS THEY DID IT IN SANTA FE, BUT WE CAN PICK AN ARBITRARY NUMBER. IF WE DID AVERAGE IT OUT BETWEEN THE 302 AND 450, I THINK THAT'S A RATIONAL DECISION. IT'S NOT PULLING A NUMBER OUT OF A HAT. I JUST THINK IT'S GOOD POLICY FOR US TO BE ACROSS THE BOARD EQUITABLE. RIGHT NOW THERE ARE CURRENTLY SOME COUNCILORS THAT ARE BELOW THAT THRESHOLD, RIGHT? AS IT STANDS. >> CORRECT. THERE'S FOUR COUNCILORS BELOW THE 40,000. >>COUN. PEÑA: BASICALLY, IF WE TOOK OUT WHAT WE CURRENTLY GET -- WHAT I CURRENTLY GET AND YOU DID THE NEW THRESHOLD, IF THIS PASSES AS IS, I WILL STILL BE UNDER THE $40,000, CORRECT? >> CORRECT. >>COUN. PEÑA: THIS IS WHERE I NEEDED YOUR HELP. >> YOU WOULD BE THE ONLY DISTRICT STILL BELOW THE 40,000. >>COUN. LEWIS: I THINK MINIMUM THRESHOLD THAT INCLUDES ALL THE DISTRICTS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT MAKES SENSE. I'M STILL OPEN TO A FLAT RATE. I JUST HAVE TO GET MY MIND AROUND THAT, I THINK. AND I GUESS BRING SOME LOGIC TO IT. ANYWAY, I AGREE WITH THE DEFERRAL. COUNCILOR BASSAN THEN COUNCILOR BACA -- OR COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I'M HOPING WE CAN VOTE ON THE DEFERRAL. BUT SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS AMENDMENT FURTHER I OFFICER A SUGGESTION FOR STAFF TO ANALYZEALIZE AND CONSIDER THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL WITH THE SPONSOR OF THE AMENDMENT TO DO SOMETHING AS WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING, BUT THEN SAY, OR LEAVE IT AS IS, BUT THE SAY THE MINIMUM, IF THERE'S ONE OUTLIER IT SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO THE MINIMUM OF THE LOWEST DISTRICTS. THE LOWEST THREE DISTRICTS BROUGHT UP TO A MINIMUM OF SOMETHING. THAT WAY WE HAVE A MINIMUM WHERE IT'S NOT SINGLE OUTLIER BUT IT'S NOT PUMPING UP THE LOWEST TO THE HIGHEST. I ABSOLUTELY DON'T THINK ON THE FLY OUT OF THE HAT WITH OUR TAX PAYING DOLLARS AT THE LAST MINUTE WITH ALL OF US JUST READING IT WHILE ARGUING IT AND NOT UNDERSTANDING IS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. I REALLY REQUEST, MR. PRESIDENT, THAT WE CALL THE QUESTION. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR BACA. >> ONCE THE QUESTION IS CALLED, THERE'S NO DISCUSSION YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE VOTE. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN, DID YOU MAKE THE QUESTION? OKAY. THOSE IN FAVOR RAISE YOU'RE HAND. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. MOTION PASSES. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. AMENDING 6-9-610 OF THE ALBUQUERQUE FOOD SERVICE AND RETAIL ORDINANCE RELATED TO PERMIT FEES AND ADMINISTRATION AND INTERPRETATION. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR ROGERS. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: MR. PRESIDENT, THIS IS BASICALLY JUST, AS YOU RECALL, WE AS A GROUP VOTED TO AMEND THESE. AND FOUND A HICCUP IN IT WITH THE FOOD TRUCKS. THERE WAS A THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE SERVICES WORKED OUT THIS HICCUP. AND IT'S JUST BASICALLY TAKING WHAT THIS WORK OUT IS AND OFFICIALLY PUTTING IT IN INTO THE ORDINANCE. >>COUN. LEWIS: ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS? >> YES, WE DID HAVE TAD. BUT HE'S NOT HERE. >>COUN. LEWIS: OH, OKAY. THANK YOU. WE HAVE SOME -- COUNCILOR CHAMPINE AMENDMENTS? >>COUN. CHAMPINE: AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE, ON PAGE ONE, LINE 18, SUBSECTION B. WE'RE GOING TO DEFINE WHAT ACTUALLY IS A MICRO BUSINESS. I CAN GO AHEAD AND READ THIS, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT. DEFINES THE COMPANY THAT EMPLOYS NO MORE THAN SEVEN EMPLOYEES AT ANY TIME DURING THE CALENDAR YEAR, THOSE EMPLOYEES ARE GOING TO INCLUDE THE FULL AND PART-TIME FOR START UP BUSINESSES THE, THE RESPONSIBLE COMPANY OFFICIALLY SHALL CERTIFY THE BUSINESS DOES NOT EXPECT TO EMPLOY MORE THAN SEVEN EMPLOYS IN THE FIRST YEAR OF OPERATIONS. FOR EXISTING BUSINESSES SEEKING CERTIFICATION, THE RESPONSIBILITY -- RESPONSIBLE COMPANY OFFICIAL SHOULD SUBMIT THE BUSINESSES FORM EC903A, QUARTERLY WAGE AND CONTRIBUTION REPORT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF WORKFORCE SOLUTIONS AND FORM TRD4 -- INCOME WITHHOLDING AND WORKMAN'S COMPENSATION FEE AND REPORT IT TO THE NEW MEXICO STATE AND REVENUE DEPARTMENT AS PROOF OF MEETING THE DEFINITION OF MICRO BUSINESS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOVED AND SECONDED. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. ALL RIGHT. MANAGEMENT NUMBER -- AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. ANY DISCUSSION OR CLARIFICATION ON THE AMENDMENT? ANY OTHER EXPLANATION, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE? >>COUN. CHAMPINE: IT WAS PART OF THE HICCUP THAT WE FOUND THAT WE DECIDED TO -- THERE WERE SEVERAL BUSINESSES THAT WOULD HIRE SEASONAL EMPLOYEES THAT COULD PUSH A MICRO BUSINESS PAST THIS LIMIT. AND KICK THEM UP AND PUSH THEM UP TO THE $900 FEE MARK. THIS IS BASICALLY GOING TO ELIMINATE THE SEASONAL EMPLOYEES AND LIMIT IT TO THE SEVEN, NO MORE THAN SEVEN EMPLOYEES ON A FULL-TIME OR PART-TIME BASIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. ADMINISTRATION, COMMENT ON THIS? >> MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. WE AGREE WITH THIS DEFINITION OF THE MICRO BUSINESSES. IT'S VERY HELPFUL BASED UPON THE FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED DURING THE PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT BUSINESSES THIS SIDE ARE IN A SPECIAL SPOT AND IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO IDENTIFY THEM AND PROVIDE THEM THE SAME BENEFITS THAT WE KNOW FOR THE OTHER BUSINESSES IDENTIFIED. AND I WANT TO NOTE THE TWO FORMS IDENTIFIED HERE ARE FORMS THEY ALREADY HAVE TO FILE. WE'RE ASKING THEM TO DO -- USE THE FORM THEY ALREADY HAVE. >>COUN. LEWIS: OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? WE'LL CLOSE DISCUSSION. AND GO TO A VOTE. AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. MOVED AND SECONDED. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. MOTION PASSES ON A -- 6-1. LET'S DO THAT AGAIN. IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF THE AMENDMENT RAISE YOUR HAPPENED AND SAY YES. OPPOSED NO. 7-1. ALL RIGHT. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS? WE'RE BACK ON THE BILL AS AMENDED. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION, QUESTIONS ON THE BILL? COUNCILOR CHAMPINE TO CLOSE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES 7-1. WE'RE NOW ON R-80. COUNCILOR PEÑA. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. R-80 DIRECTING THE ADMINISTRATION TO CREATE AN ACTION PLAN TO ENSURE LOCAL POLICIES ARE PRIORITIZED THE BEST INTEREST OF CHILDREN AND YOUTH. SO, THIS REALLY JUST ACCOMPLISHES A FEW THINGS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, I THINK, MANY PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT THE UNDERLYING ISSUES IN ADDRESSING OUR ISSUES IN OUR COMMUNITY. I KEEP FOCUSING ON YOUTH AND INNERCITY AND DEVELOP A PLAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON. LOOK AT PALMSES WE HAVE RELATED TO YOUTH, PARTICIPATIONS, INVESTING IN INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU KNOW AND IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF PLACES WHERE OUR YOUTH CAN PLAY SOCCER OR INDOOR FACILITIES. I KNOW WE USE A LOT OF COUNTY FACILITIES. I THINK WE NEED TO PARTNER LIKE WITH INSTITUTIONS LIKE ACS, OR COMMUNITY CENTERS TO BETTER UTILIZE THEM TO HAVE ACTIVITIES FOR CHILDREN. MAYBE THE CITY CAN START PROGRAMS SIMILAR TO THE COUNTY WHERE THEY HAVE A BASKETBALL LEAGUE. AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAMS. WE HAVE THE LOW RIDER BIKE PROGRAM. WE STARTED THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS SOME HESITATION ABOUT WHAT DOES THAT DO TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND WHAT DOES THAT DO TO ADDRESS -- DOES IT HELP WITH STUDENTS? IT HELPS WITH MATH, MIXING THE PAINT. SCIENCE, ALL KINDS OF THINGS. WE STARTED WITH 8 STUDENTS. LAST YEAR WE GRADUATED 24. THIS YEAR WE HAVE 60-PLUS STUDENTS IN THAT PROGRAM. THANKS TO THE ADMINISTRATION AND ALL THE WORK THEY'RE DOING OVER THERE. THEY'RE TAKING IT OVER ANDTHER REALLY -- THAT PROGRAM IS BLOWING UP. I THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT TO GIVE PEOPLE AND OUR YOUTH AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN PROGRAMS LIKE THIS. YOU KNOW, I HAVE LOTS OF GRANDCHILDREN. EVERYBODY KNOWS I HAVE TONS OF GRANDCHILDREN. MY OWN CHILDREN. AND IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR SOME PARENTS I SEE OUT THERE THAT I LOOK AT MY KIDS AND THEY CAN AFFORD TO PUT THEIR KIDS IN BALLET OR BASKETBALL PROGRAM. WHEN WE WERE RAISING OUR KIDS WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT. WE DIDN'T HAVE THE RESOURCES. WE RELIED FOR RESOURCES IN THE COMMUNITY TO TAKE OUR KIDS AND BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE. I THINK THERE'S A TREND AWAY FROM THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE PROGRAMS OUT THERE THAT YOU PAY TO DO BALLET AND IT LEAVES A HUGE SEGMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY OUT OF THE LOOP WITH NOTHING TO DO. AND WE'RE SEEING THE REPPER -- REPERCUSSIONS OF THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO CREATE A GOAL PRIORITIZATION, POLICIES, RELATED TO YOUTH, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT JUST CAN'T AFFORD TO PAY FOR SOME OF THESE ACTIVITIES. SO, I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. LEWIS: NEED A SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >> THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THIS. I VISITED AN AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAM AT JIMMY CARTER MIDDLE SCHOOL. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO SPONSOR THIS PROGRAM? >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR PEÑA, MR. PRESIDEN -- >>COUN. PEÑA: I'M NOT SURE WHAT PROGRAM YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE HAVE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS TO BE SIMILAR TO WHAT COUNCILOR ROGERS WAS TALKING ABOUT TO HAVE AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAMS AND WE FUND SOCIAL SERVICES FOR KIDS AT RISK. I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON OUR YOUTH AT THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. AND HAVE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN NON-PROFITS, IF YOU EVER PARTICIPATED WITH THE COUNTY LEGAL, WITH BASKETBALL, IT'S A NOMINAL FEE TO BE ABLE TO REGISTER YOUR KIDS. I'M NOT JUST TALKING SPORTS ACTIVITIES. I THINK WE'RE HEADED THAT WAY. JUST HAVING AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAMS. MAYBE COMPUTER LABS AT OUR COMMUNITY CENTER. INFRASTRUCTURE TO MAKE SURE OUR PARKS CAN SLIDES AND JUST A PRIORITIZE OUR YOUTH IN THE CITY. IT'S A WHOLE RANGE OF THIS. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: YEAH, THIS IS ONE IS THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB AFTER-SCHOOL PROGRAM AT JIMMY CARTER. THERE'S OTHER SCHOOLS LIKE JOHN ADAMS TOO. I HOPE TO FUND THOSE PROGRAMS. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THIS IS EXACTLY I WAS TRYING TO MAKE EARLIER WITH THE CONTRACT. WE AS A CITY NEED TO DO MORE. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT MAKING SURE THE COMMUNITY CENTERS ARE OPEN IN THE EVENINGS AND WEEKENDS WHEN THEY NEED THEM. THEY CLOSE AT 2 O'CLOCK ON SATURDAY. SOME OF THEM ARE CLOSED. THE PROGRAMMING AND THE AGE OF PROGRAMMING IS AN ISSUE. IF WE'RE TRYING TO REACH TEENS WHO ARE AT RISK AT OUR COMMUNITY CENTER THE PROGRAMMING STOPS AT 14. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS HAPPEN BECAUSE WE DEFINITELY NEED IT. I THINK MAYBE EXPLICITLY SAYING WE WANT THE COMMUNITY CENTERS OPEN IS SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO SEE STRENGTHENED AND TO SAY EXPLICITLY THAT WE NEED IT. I AM IN SUPPORT OF IT. >>COUN. LEWIS: OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, WE'LL CLOSE. SPONSOR TO CLOSE. >>COUN. PEÑA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. YES, THANK YOU COUNCILOR ROGERS, AND THAT'S KIND OF PART OF THE ISSUE THAT I WAS ADDRESSING IS THAT WE DO, WE NEED TO HAVE OUR COMMUNITY CENTERS OPEN. AND WE DO. STAFFING IS AN ISSUE. IT'S A BUDGETARY THING. THOSE ARE THINGS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT INTO THE FUTURE OF HOW WE FUND OUR COMMUNITY CENTERS AND HOW WE FUND CERTAIN THINGS BECAUSE ALL THOSE THINGS DO COST MONEY. I AGREE. I LIVE IN THE BEST NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE WHICH IS ALAMOSA WHICH IS THE BEST LITTLE HOOD IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. YOU SEE SOME OF THE YOUTH WALKING AROUND WITH JUST NOTHING TO DO. AND WE HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD. AND IF IT'S NOT OPEN, KIDS JUST DON'T HAVE ACCESS. THEY'RE WALKING AROUND AND LOOKING FOR THINGS TO DO. AND THEY'RE FINDING SOMETIMES NOT GOOD THINGS TO DO. WE HAVE A TENNIS COURT. I'M JUST SAYING THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS ONE WHERE IT'S FILLED WITH YOUTH THAT CAN USE ACTIVITY. LIKE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE CITY. >>COUN. LEWIS: WE'LL GO TO A VOTE. THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. MOTION PASSES. ITEM E, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN AND COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: DIRECTING THE CITY ADMINISTRATION TO CREATE AN ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE WORKING GROUP. PROVIDING AN APPROPRIATION TO THE DEPARTMENT OF TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION. I MOVE A DO PASS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. YOU HAVE A FLOOR SUBSTITUTE? COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. FLOOR SUBSTITUTE ONE. NO? THIS IS BASICALLY JUST CLEANING SOME STUFF UP WE TALKED OVER -- NOT THE ADMINISTRATION, BUT THE DIRECTOR. THANK YOU. THROUGH THE CONVERSATION, THEY BROUGHT UP ISSUES THAT WE DIDN'T THINK OF. IT'S CLEANING SOME OF THAT STUFF UP. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO TO DISCUSSION ON THE BILL. ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? >> YES, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: SPONSORS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENTS ? >> UP FIRST, WE HAVE ANAMI FOLLOWED BY ADELE FOLLOWED BY RUDOLPH. >> THIS IS MY THIRD COMMENT. I USE AI, AND I DID IT ONCE WITH GOVERNMENT WORK. AND THERE WAS DISAGREEMENT ON THE AMOUNT OF TRANSPARENCY THAT WENT INTO THAT. I THINK I NAILED IT. BUT, I DID WANT TO SHARE SOMETHING THAT AI TOLD ME RECENTLY. I WAS ASKING THE AI CHAT BOUGHT, WHATEVER, IF I SHOULD DISCLOSE I WAS USING AI IN AN EMAIL I WAS WRITING TO SOMEONE AT THE CITY. AND THE RESPONSE WAS IN THIS SPECIFIC SITUATION, DISCLOSING THE EMAIL WAS WRITTEN WITH AI ASSISTANCE IS NOT NECESSARY. THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CONTENT THAT SAYS AI INVOLVING IT, DISCLOSING IT CAN RAISE UNNECESSARY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT MAY DISTRACT FROM THE ISSUES YOU WANT TO ADDRESS. AI TOLD ME TO NOT TELL YOU THAT I WAS USING AI. THAT SHOULD TERRIFY ALL OF YOU. AI MENTIONED WITH THE ROBOCOP. >> ADELE FOLLOWED BY RUDOLPH. >> ALBUQUERQUE CITY COUNCILORS, PRESIDENT LEWIS, IT WAS PRETTY COOL WHEN WE COULD WRITE, YOU KNOW, A FUNNY IMMG AND HAVE IT COME TO LIFE. WE HAVE SOME MORE REALITIES. IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE. IN ORDER TO REACH SAM ALTMAN'S FUPD -- FUND-RAISING GOME. HE WANTS TO RAISE MORE MONEY THAN EXISTED EVERY QUARTER. THAT'S RIDICULOUS. NOT ONLY DOES HE WANT ALL THAT, BUT EVERY CHAT GPT QUERY IS APPROXIMATELY 20 GALLONS OF WATER. THAT'S NOT A GOOD RETURN ON INVESTMENT. THE MATH IS NOT ADDING UP THERE. THIS IS LARGE-SCALE COMPUTING, I'M OPPOSED TO ON LUDITE PRINCIPLES. AUTOMATION IS FOR US TO DECIDE. COUNCILOR PEÑA IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, WE GET TO PULL THE NUMBERS OUT OF A HAT. THAT'S WHAT WE LECTED YOU ALL TO DO. WE ARE ABLE TO MAKE THIS WITH, YOU KNOW, THE TECHNOLOGICAL INNOVATIONS WE HAVE CREATED, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE WORKING FOR PEOPLE AND NOT PEOPLE WORKING FOR MACHINES. I DON'T WANT MACHINES MAKING MACHINES OUT OF MEN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. >> RUDOLPH ON ZOOM. >> PRESIDENT LEWIS, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. LET ME TELL YOU WE'RE INTELLIGENCE FIRST AND WE'LL GO TO THE ARTIFICIAL ONE. WE CAN SEE EVERYTHING YOU DID. WE CAN SEE EVERYTHING YOU DID IN THE PAST, DAY BY DAY, IF WE HAVE THE RIGHT LOCATION WHERE YOU'RE AT. AND NOW WE HAVE IT TOO. WE SADLY CLOSED THIS OFFICE IN THE PENTAGON PAUSE WE COULD HAVE SEEP WHAT EVERY SENATOR WAS DOING AND HOW CORRUPT THEY ARE. THEY SAY THAT'S MAGIC, WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE PART OF OUR GOVERNMENT. THAT'S WHERE OUR INTELLIGENCE IS. WE CAN GET WITH A MACHINE TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT YOU ALL NINE CAN SEE. SO, YOU CAN SAVE YOURSELF A LOT OF WORK BY INCLUDING ALGORITHMS TO HELP. SO THIS IS DEFINITELY A WIN-WIN. AND UNTIL NOW I WAS YOUR ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE FOR THE LAST 40 YEARS. I'LL BE RETIRING SOON. WITH ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT YOU WILL HAVE A GOOD COUNCIL TO TACKLE DOWN CORRUPTION. TO TACKLE DOWN ALL THOSE HIDING PEOPLE BRINGING MONEY FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, CREATING ALL THE ENVIRONMENT THAT IS DESTROYING OUR ECONOMY. ALL THOSE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE ARE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE. AND TO START NOW IS A GOOD START. LIKE I SAY BEFORE, IN 40 YEARS WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE PLANET AND HAVE A FINAL WORD ON WHO DESERVES TO GO WHERE OR NOT. THAT'S DEFINITELY FOR MY CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY. THAT'S GOING TO BE IN 40 YEARS. DON'T BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NOW. GO FOR IT. THANK YOU. >> THAT CONCLUDES COMMENT. THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. THIS IS AMENDMENT TO FLOOR SUB. FLOOR SUBS HAVE BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. WE NEED DISCUSSION ON THE REPLACE OF FLOOR SUB. WE'LL VOTE ON THAT. ALL WE'RE DOING IS REPLACING THE BILL WITH THE FLOOR SUB. COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I'M WONDERING WHAT THE TECHNICAL CORRECTIONS ARE IN THE FLOOR SUB, WHEN I LOOK AT IT, AND I COULD BE DISUNDERSTANDING, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING FROM 40,000 TO 50,000. >>COUN. LEWIS: THERE'S SPECIFIC TECHNICAL CHANGES ON THE FLOOR SUB. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION SINCE IT'S MY BILL. WE DID PUT A RED LINE IN YOUR iPAD BECAUSE THE FLOOR SUBDOESN'T HAVE CHANGES SHOWN. BUT THERE IS CHANGES THROUGHOUT SO WE DIDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE THROWING 15 AMENDMENTS. THERE'S A RED LINE, AND WE'RE PLANNING TO DEFER IT FOR TWO WEEKS SO EVERYONE CAN LOOK AT IT. >>COUN. BASSAN: AND THAT INCLUDES $50,000 INSTEAD OF 40? >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: YES, WHEN WE SPOKE WITH DIRECTOR LEECH HE ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS. HE ASKED FOR $40,000 THAT WOULD DO THE TECHNICAL PART OF THE PROPOSAL, BUT IT WAS POINTED OUT WE MIGHT NEED A LITTLE MORE FOR OUTREACH. SO WE DID ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE, IT WASN'T WHAT HE ASKED FOR, BUT WE DID BUMP IT UP A TINY BIT TO MAKE SURE IT'S HANDLED IN THE CORRECT MANNER BY A CONSULT WANT -- CONSULTANT THAT CAN DO ALL THE PARTS. >>COUN. LEWIS: QUESTIONS? WE'LL GO TO A VOTE. THOSE IN FAVOR, SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES ON 8-1. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WE RECOGNIZE, AND OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE COMMENTING, WE RECOGNIZE THAT AI IS EVER-EVOLVING SO QUICKLY. IT'S PROBABLY HAS GROWN 17 YEARS SINCE WE STARTED THIS MEETING. AND RECOGNIZING THAT, TALKING ABOUT IT, WITH THE DIRECTORS AND SUCH, TO SEE IF WE CAN GET -- YOWL NEVER GET AHEAD OF IT, BUT MAKE SURE WE HAVE POLICIES THAT INCLUDE ALL KINDS OF INPUT BECAUSE IT INCLUDES ALL KINDS OF THINGS. WE -- SIT AND ABOUT HOW IT AFFECTS OUR LIFE AND HOW EASY IT IS. IT'S PULLING INFORMATION FROM THE INTERNET. AND THAT'S AFFECTING THE DIRECTION THEY'RE INPUTTING WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THEM TO WRITE OR DRAW OR ORGANIZE. I SAW A LOT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY OF HOW MUCH THIS IS AFFECTING. I CAN MAKE A COMMERCIAL WITHIN 30 MINUTES USING CHAT GPT FOR A PICTURE AND USE CELEBRITIES THAT I NEVER MET. RECOGNIZING THAT AND MAKING SURE WE GET THE PROPER INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC. AND MAKING SURE WE POT GOOD PROPOSAL IN PARAMETERS AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND UNDERSTANDING THOSE PARAMETERS ARE GOING TO CHANGE MUCH AS THIS IS. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. AND I MOVE TO DEFER FOR TWO WEEKS UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING ON THE 21st -- 22nd? 21st YOU SECONDING. >>COUN. LEWIS: THIS IS R-81. IT'S MOVED FOR TWO WEEK-DEFERRAL. IT'S SECONDED. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE DEFERRAL? >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I SEE DIRECTOR LEECH, I THINK I WOULD BE REMISS THAT WHILE I AGREE THERE'S LOTS OF AI THAT GOES TO THE INTERNET AND USES INTERNET DATA, THERE'S WAYS OF USING MACHINE LEARNING THAT CAN LIMIT THE DATA SET, THEY'RE NOT ALL THIS BIG, SCARY THING. HE'S SHAKING HIS HEAD. HE'S HAPPY WITH US. WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT ALL AI IS BAD. WE'RE SAYING THERE ARE A LOT OF TYPES OF AI. SOME CAN BE USED FOR GOOD, SOME CAN BE USED FOR BAD. AND WE WANT TO BE SURE TO GET THE EXPERTS IN THE ROOM TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. NOT SAYING IT'S A BAD THING. THERE'S CERTAIN TYPES OF MACHINE LEARNING THAT CAN BE USEFUL FOR THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: DEFERRAL IS ON THE TABLE. MOVED AND SECONDED. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. DEFERRAL PASSES ON 8-1. WE'RE ON R-85. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES, MR. PRESIDENT. R-81 IS AMENDING SECTION OF THE CODE OF RESOLUTIONS RELATED TO THE CHARTER REVIEW TASK FORCE. MOVE FOR A PASS. >>COUN. LEWIS: MOVED AND SECONDED BY COUNCILOR GROUT FOR DO PASS. DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ON THE BILL? I BELIEVE WE HAVE A NUMBER OF AMENDMENTS. ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? LET'S GO TO THE SPEAK. >> WE HAVE ONE SPEAKER. THIS IS LISA. >> I HAD ASKED -- CITY COUNCILORS THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS. I ASKED YOU EARLIER -- THIS IS THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR THIS COMMISSION THAT IS BEING PROPOSED. HOW -- WHAT PROCESS WILL BE HAD SO THAT STAKEHOLDERS FROM THE COMMUNITY CAN BE -- MY CONCERN IS THAT THE COMMISSION MIGHT BE HEAVY ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS, HEAVY ON THE BUSINESS OWNERS, LESSON THE LITTLE FOLK LIKE MYSELF. I GUESS SOME SORT OF PROCESS THAT COULD BE EXPLAINED THAT WOULD BE FAIR SO THAT PEOPLE FROM ALL THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS COULD PARTICIPATE. BECAUSE OF COURSE THE CHARTER DOES HAVE A HUGE INFLUENCE ON OUR LIVES AND HOW WE OPERATE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. IF SOMEBODY COULD MAYBE SPEAK TO THAT, WHO IS GOING TO BE CHOSEN, HOW ARE PEOPLE CHOSEN, HOW WILL HAVE COMMUNITY HAVE A CHANCE TO BE PART OF THAT? THANK YOU, SO MUCH. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES, MR. PRESIDENT. I SUBMIT FLOOR SUBSTITUTE NUMBER ONE. I'M SORRY -- FLOOR AMENDMENT. I APOLOGIZE. AND WHAT AMENDMENT I'M DOING IS BEGINNING ON PAGE TWO, LINE ONE, AMENDING SECTION A, WE'RE GOING TO SCRATCH OUT THAT IT SHALL BE APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR AND REPLACE IT WITH THE FOLLOWING. CITY CHARTER REVIEW TASK FORCE SHALL CONSISTENT OF 11 MEMBERS CREATED TO REVIEW AND EVALUATE ALL AREAS OF CITY CHARTER INCLUDING THE SECTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN CHALLENGED AND UNCHALLENGED. IT SHALL BE MADE UP OF 11 MEMBERS, ONE MEMBER SELECTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL WERE AND ONE SELECTED BY THE CITY COUNCILOR CHAIRED THE TASK FORCE AND ONE MEMBER APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR. >>COUN. LEWIS: IT'S MOVED AND SECONDED. AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU HAD ASKED, IT'S THE DIVERSITY YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT OR CONCERNED ABOUT, THAT'S WHY IT'S WRITTEN TO HAVE EACH ONE OF THE COUNCILORS SUBMIT ONE NAME. SO, IT FALLS UPON THE COUNCILOR'S SHOULDERS TO REACH OUT TO THEIR COMMUNITY ABOUT WHO THEY SUGGEST AND GET INPUT FROM THEM BEFORE THEY SUGGEST THE NAME. THE SAME THING WITH THE CHAIRPERSON OR THE CHAIR OF THE COUNCIL, WOULD BE ALL SEVEN OR NINE OF US PICKING KIND OF LIKE WE DID WITH A.G.O., TO PUT TWO NAMES TOGETHER AND WE VOTE. AND THE REASON BEHIND THAT IS THE DIVERSITY OF THIS COUNCIL. WE HAVE NINE PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY REPRESENTING DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY. SO, I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD, EQUAL, AND FAIR WAY TO GO ABOUT THIS TASK FORCE. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT. AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ON THE AMENDMENT? ALL RIGHT. ADMINISTRATION? >> MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU. I WANT TO NOTE THAT IN LOOKING AT PREVIOUS CHARTER REVIEW TASK FORCE THAT HAVE BEEN PULLED TOGETHER, THE MOST RECENT WAS TEN YEARS AGO, THE MEMBERSHIP WAS -- AND THIS IS BASED UPON ALL THE AMENDMENTS I SEE IN FRONT OF ME, WAS CREATED TO HAVE A COMMITTEE BALANCED IN TERMS OF THINKING ABOUT THE LEGISLATIVE BODY AND THE EXECUTIVE BODY. WORKING TOGETHER TO DO THIS TASK FORCE. THE PREVIOUS COMMITTEE WAS 14 INDIVIDUALS WITH A REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH OF THE COUNCIL DISTRICTS PLUS THE ONE AT LARGE SELECTED BY THE COUNCIL AND FOUR MEMBERS FROM THE MAYOR. GIVING BALANCE IN TERMS OF THINKING ABOUT CONSIDERATION OF THIS TASK FORCE AND THINKING ABOUT IT FROM BOTH AREAS OF OUR GOVERNMENT AND THAT BALANCE. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IN THIS AMENDMENT AND ANY OTHER THAT IS -- IT IS WEIGHTED TOWARD CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATION. I'M NOT SUGGESTING IT SHOULD BE VIP BY ANY MEANS. I'M ASKING THAT YOU CONSIDER THAT THE PREVIOUS BLUE RIBBON TASK FORCES HAVE BEEN PUT TOGETHER AND CREATES A THOROUGH PROCESS TO ENSURE WE HAVE REPRESENTATION BASED UPON THE EXECUTIVE BEING ELECTED BY THE CITY AS A WHOLE. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: WHAT'S TO PRECLUDE, IF COUNCILORS PUT TOGETHER TWO NAMES FROM EACH DISTRICT, WHAT'S TO SAY THAT THEY WON'T KEEP IN MIND THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH AND THEIR OPINION AND BEST INTERESTS? THEY'RE STILL CONSTITUENTS THAT RESIDE IN ALBUQUERQUE. IT DOESN'T MEAN IF A COUNCILOR PUTS THE NAME FORWARD THEN THEY HAVE TO SERVE THE COUNCILOR'S BEST INTEREST OR IF THE MAYOR PUTS THEM FORWARD THEY SHOULDN'T JUST SERVE THE MAYOR'S BEST INTEREST. IT SHOULD BE WHOEVER IS REPRESENTATIVE IN EACH DISTRICT OF THE CITY WOULD PROBABLY BE INTERESTED IN BENEFITTING THEIR DISTRICT AND PROBABLY THE WHOLE CITY ON TOP OF THAT. I MEAN I WOULD, I GUESS MAYBE IT'S THE IDEOLOGIST IN ME, WHICH IS VERY RARE, BUT I HOPE A CONSTITUENT IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE, REGARDLESS IF THEIR NAME WAS PUT FORWARD BY A MAYOR OR COUNCILOR WOULD SERVE THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY. >>COUN. LEWIS: OTHER DISCUSSION -- >> IF I MAY, THE CURRENT AMENDMENT DOESN'T HAVE TWO MEMBERS FROM EACH -- I THINK THERE IS AN AMENDMENT THAT DOES HAVE THAT OPTION OF A COUNCILOR PUTTING FORWARD TWO NAMES. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. ANY QUESTION OR DISCUSSION ON AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE? >>COUN. PEÑA: MR. PRESIDENT, IS THERE ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS? I THINK I'D LIKE TO HEAR THE AMENDMENTS FIRST BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS AMENDMENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: IF THERE ARE OTHER AMENDMENTS SIMILAR TO THIS AND THE SPONSOR WOULD LIKE TO DESCRIBE ALL THEM OR HAVE THE STAFF LIKE TO DESCRIBE ALL OF THEM. WE'LL GO THROUGH ALL THE AMENDMENTS. >> MR. PRESIDENT, THERE ARE THREE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ON THE iPAD THAT DEAL WITH THE COMPOSITION OF THE TASK FORCE. THE FIRST, WHICH IS SPONSORED BY COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, WHICH HE JUST DESCRIBED WOULD MAKE THE TASK FORCE 11 MEMBERS. ONE MEMBER SELECTED BY EACH CITY COUNCILOR, ONE AT LARGE SELECTED BY THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE TO SERVE AS THE CHAIR, AND ONE MEMBER APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR. THE NEXT, THERE IS A PROPOSAL TO HAVE A NINE-MEMBER TASK FORCE WHERE EACH COUNCILOR WILL NOMINATE TWO POTENTIAL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR WOULD SELECT FROM THOSE TWO NAMES. AND THEN A THIRD OPTION WOULD BE A STRAIGHT-UP COUNCIL NOMINATION WHERE EACH OF THE NINE COUNCILORS WOULD SELECT THEIR ONE NOMINEE. THOSE ARE YOUR THREE OPTIONS ON THE iPAD. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: MR. PRESIDENT, DON'T WE NEED TO IRON THE FACT THAT THESE AMENDMENTS WALK OVER EACH OTHER? BASED ON THAT, I AGREED WITH COUNCILOR CHAMPINE THAT I LIKE HIS. AND AGREE WITH THAT. I HAVE NO PROBLEM NOT MOVING MINE, WHICH IS JUST A NINE-MEMBER. I DON'T MIND NOT MOVING MINE. AND ACTUALLY GO WITH HIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: WHO IS THE OTHER SPONSOR ON THE AMENDMENT? THAT'S COUNCILOR GROUT. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THAT? >>COUN. GROUT: I TOO AM FINE WITH COUNCILOR CHAMPINE'S. THAT WAY THE MAYOR IS PART OF IT. BUT MINE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE HAVING TO FIND PEOPLE TO BE IN ALL OF THESE ON A DIFFERENT BOARD AND COMMISSION, WE'RE ALWAYS SUPPOSED TO PUT FORTH TWO NAMES. AND THE MAYOR SELECTS THOSE TWO NAMES IF IT IS A BOARD THAT HAS SOMEBODY SPECIFIC FROM EACH DISTRICT. THAT'S WHERE I WAS COMING FROM. I'M JUST SELECTING TWO NAMES AND LETTING THE MAYOR CHOOSE. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR GROUT, DO YOU INTEND TO MOVE THAT? >>COUN. GROUT: I WASN'T GOING TO. I LIKE COUNCILOR CHAMPINE'S. >>COUN. LEWIS: IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S PROBABLY APPROPRIATE TO CONTINUE TO DISCUSS AND THE AMENDMENTS ON THE FLOOR, AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE'S AMENDMENT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. JUST A QUESTION ON THIS ONE. ABOUT THE AT LARGE MEMBER BEING SELECTED BY -- THE PERSON SELECTED BY THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE. I WONDER WHAT'S THE THOUGHT PROCESS FOR THAT? IN GENERAL I'VE SEEN BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS WHERE WE APPOINT THE PEOPLE AND THEIR CHOOSE THEIR OWN. I JUST WANTED TO GET BACKGROUND ON THAT. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: YES, COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. IT WAS COMING DOWN TO NUMBERS. AND IN THE PAST TASK FORCE HAD BEEN SO MANY, 16, 15. MY PURPOSE WAS TO LIMIT THE HANDS IN THE COOKIE JAR. IF YOU GET TOO MANY PEOPLE, THEN NOT AS MUCH GETS ACCOMPLISHED. LOWER NUMBERS, I THINK, CAN BE MORE FOCUSED THAN THAT. SO, IT CAME DOWN TO NINE FROM EACH COUNCIL DISTRICT. AND IF YOU HAD THE ONE FROM THE MAYOR, YOU'RE AT TEN, AND NOW YOU'RE AT AN EVEN NUMBER. I THOUGHT THE WAY WE'RE DOING THE A.G.O. TONIGHT AND THAT VOTING WOULD GIVE A TENTH MEMBER, THE MAYOR OR THE ADMINISTRATION'S PERSON BEING 11 WOULD BE AN ODD NUMBER SO THEY CAN -- THEN YOU WON'T HAVE AN EVEN VOTE. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK -- LET ME REPHRASE. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE ARE SELECTING THE CHAIR OF THE TASK FORCE RATHER THAN HAVING THE TASK FORCE MEMBERS ALL APPOINTED, AND THEY VOTE FOR THEIR OWN CHAIR. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: IT WOULD TAKE ONE OF THE NINE AWAY TO BE THE CHAIR. EACH INDIVIDUAL COUNCILOR CAN PICK THEIR PERSON, AND AS A WHOLE SINCE THE CHARTER REVIEW IS PART OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS CITY COUNCIL AND LAWMAKERS, WE THEN AS A COUNCIL SELECT THE CHAIRPERSON. WE'RE BEING INDIVIDUALS WITH THE PERSON WE WANT ON THE BOARD, AND WE'RE BEING A WHOLE COUNCIL SELECTING THE CHAIRPERSON. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANKS FOR THE EXPLANATION. >>COUN. GROUT: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. IN THE CHARTER, IN THE RESOLUTION FROM THE LAST ONE, THAT WAS ONE OF THE LINE ITEMS. ONE AT LARGE MEMBER SELECTED BY THE FULL CITY COUNCIL WHO SHALL CHAIR THE TASK FORCE. >>COUN. LEWIS: COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THE OTHER THING I LIKED ABOUT THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY -- AND COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN SAID IT WHEN WE WERE HAVING A DISCUSSION IS OUR MAYOR RIGHT NOW WON'T ALWAYS BE THE MAYOR. THAT ACTUALLY COULD ADD OR AID ANY DIRECTION. I THINK IT'S OVERALL THOUGHT OUT WELL. THANK YOU. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, DIDN'T WE JUST HAVE -- I DON'T RECALL WHICH ONE, BUT DIDN'T WE HAVE SOME BOARD OR COMMISSION WHERE THE GROUP ENDED UP SELECTING ANOTHER PERSON TO BE THE AT LARGE AND THEN THEY WERE THEN THE ONES TO APPOINT A CHAIR. SO, TO ME, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE WORTHY OF AMENDING THIS AMENDMENT TO SAY ONE MEMBER WILL BE SELECTED BY THE OTHER TEN MEMBERS AS AN AT LARGE WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DAYS AND THEN THE COMMITTEE WOULD END UP DECIDING WHO WOULD BE THE CHAIR? >>COUN. CHAMPINE: I THINK THIS IS -- WHAT BROUGHT THIS UP WAS THE IDEA, AND I USED THE FRAMEWORK OF THE -- WHEN THEY DID REDISTRICTING. THIS IS THE SAME THING THEY DID WITH REDISTRICTING. THE NINE AND THERE WAS ONE CHAIR THAT WAS PICKED BY THE WHOLE COUNCIL. IT WAS JUST COMING OFF OF THAT. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, CAN SOMEBODY ON OUR STAFF ANSWER? COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN, DIDN'T WE HAVE A COMMISSION OR A BOARD THAT RECENTLY HAD THIS LAID OUT IN IT? >> COUNCIL PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BASSAN, IT'S THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL COMMITTEE. COUNCIL APPOINTS ONE, MAYOR APPOINTS ONE, AND THE TWO SELECTS THE THIRD PERSON TO SERVE. >>COUN. GROUT: AND THERE WAS THE BOARD THAT WE CHOSE THAT WE'RE WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE COUNTY IN THE HOUSING COLLABORATIVE. AND THEY CHOSE SOMEBODY. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT. I BELIEVE THIS COMES DOWN TO CHOICE. I PREFER THAT THE AMENDMENT WHERE THE COUNCIL AS A WHOLE GETS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHOOSE THE LEADERSHIP, WHICH WOULD MAKE SENSE. I THINK IT WOULD TAKE AWAY SOME OF THAT AND MAYBE SAVE TIME TO IDENTIFY SOME TIME TO LEAD THAT AND HAVE SKILLS. AND HAVE THE CHAIR AND LEAD AN IMPORTANT COMMISSION LIKE THIS, WHICH I -- NOT EVERYBODY CAN DO. AND I THINK IT'S THE IMPORTANT ASPECT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO CHOOSE THAT. OTHER DISCUSSION? COUNCILOR BASSAN. >>COUN. BASSAN: MR. PRESIDENT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO AMEND THE AMENDMENT TO SAY THE TASK FORCE SHALL BE MADE UP OF THE FOLLOWING 11 MEMBERS. ONE MEMBER SELECTED BY EACH CITY COUNCILOR, ONE MEMBER APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR, AND ONE AT LARGE MEMBER SELECTED BY THOSE TEN MEMBERS WITHIN 90 DAYS OF THEIR APPOINTMENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED. AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE IF -- JUST TRYING TO PICTURE THAT. I KNOW WE WOULD DO MORE OF A SERVICE TO THAT COMMITTEE BY CHOOSING A CHAIR. AGAIN, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I THINK THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE MIDDLE RIO GRANDE HOUSING COLLABORATIVE WE FORMED WITH THE COUNTY. WE CHOSE TWO, THEY CHOSE TWO, AND THEY CHOSE THE LAST PERSON. IT WAS HELPFUL FOR THEM TO HAVE OWNERSHIP OF THE COMMITTEE. I THINK WHAT COUNCILOR BASSAN PUT FORWARD MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. MS. RONQUILLO HOW DOES THIS AFFECT THE TIMELINE OF PUTTING THE COMMITTEE TOGETHER? >> ELSEWHERE IN THE RESOLUTION THE TASK FORCE IS GIVEN A TIMELINE. THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PRODUCE THEIR REPORT WITHIN SIX MONTHS OR UNTIL IT'S DONE. THIS WOULD PROBABLY ADD SOME ADDITIONAL TIME TOP OF THE SIX-MONTH TIMELINE WE'RE ANTICIPATING FOR THEM TO PUT TOGETHER THEIR REPORT. THAT MIGHT GET PUSHED OUT. BUT THE WAY THE RESOLUTION IS WRITTEN DOES ALLOW FOR THAT FLEXIBILITY. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT. THE AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT IS ON THE TABLE. IT'S MOVED AND SECONDED. AGAIN, I JUST THINK WE DO MORE OF A SERVICE TO THAT TASK FORCE BY CHOOSING ITS LEADER. AND AHEAD OF TIME, WE LIVE AND BREATHE THIS CHARTER. AND I THINK THERE'S UNIQUE GIFTS THAT ARE PRETTY IMPORTANT TO LEAD A TASK FORCE ON THAT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS ON THE AMENDMENT TO THE AMENDMENT? WE'LL GO TO A VOTE. THOSE IN FAVOR TO THE AMENDMENT TO AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE, RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES. THOSE OPPOSED, SAY NO. MOTION FAILS ON A 4-5. BACK TO COUNCILOR CHAMPINE ON THE AMENDMENT. NUMBER ONE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: URGE YOUR SUPPORT ON FLOOR AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. >>COUN. LEWIS: WE'LL CLOSE DISCUSSION ON AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE. AND GO TO A VOTE. THOSE IN FAVOR OF AMENDMENT NUMBER ONE RAISE YOUR HAND AND SAY YES, OPPOSED, NO. PASSES ON AN 8-1. COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. >>COUN. LEWIS: YOU HAVE ANOTHER AMENDMENT? >>COUN. ROGERS: YES, MR. PRESIDENT. I LIKE TO MOVE THE FLOOR AMENDMENT IN YOUR iPADS. THIS AMENDMENT DIRECTS THE CITY CLERK TO PROVIDE EDUCATION TO THE COMMUNITY THREE MONTHS BEFORE THE TASK FORCE IS TO BE CONVENED TO EXPLAIN THE PURPOSE OF THE TASK FORCE AND HOW PEOPLE CAN APPLY OR REACH OUT TO THEIR COUNCILORS TO EXPRESS INTEREST. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. LEWIS: WE'LL CLOSE THEN. COUNCILOR ROGERS, ANYTHING ELSE? >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. SORRY, MR. PRESIDENT, IF YOU CAN PUT THAT BACK ON THE SCREEN FOR MY COLLEAGUES. IT'S ALSO IN THE iPAD. >>COUN. LEWIS: SINCE EVERY COUNCILOR GETS A CHANCE TO READ THE EXPLANATION, DO YOU WANT TO GIVE FURTHER EXPLANATION? IT'S UP ON THE SCREEN. GIVE IT A MINUTE. THIS IS WHAT COUNCILOR ROGERS READ. THIS IS PERSONAL POINT OF ORDER FROM COUNCILOR GROUT. ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? THIS IS AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. MOVED AND SECONDED. >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT I'M GLAD TO SEE THIS BACK. I TRIED THIS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. AND I'M GRATEFUL TO HAVE COUNCILOR CHAMPINE BRINGING IT BACK. AND ADDING THE EDUCATION IS IMPORTANT TO ME PERSONALLY TO GET THE WORD OUT THERE TO THE PUBLIC COMMENTERS POINT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO PARTICIPATE IN THE GOVERNANCE OF THEIR CITY. I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. GROUT: MAY I -- ARE THEY HAVING TO -- THIS IS SAYING THAT THE PUBLIC -- OKAY THE COMMUNITY SESSIONS ARE TO BE PART OF THE TASK FORCE -- >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. THE INTENT IS THE CITY CLERK THREE MONTHS BEFORE THEY CONVENE SAYS WE'RE -- >>COUN. GROUT: THREE SEPARATE COMMUNITY QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD. >>COUN. ROGERS: CORRECT, WHICH WOULD BE IN THE THREE MONTHS THEY'RE ADVERTISING. >>COUN. GROUT: MR. PRESIDENT, ONE MORE QUESTION. DEVELOP EDUCATIONAL MATERIALS. HOW MUCH IS BEING SPENT? IS THAT GOING TO COST MONEY? >>COUN. ROGERS: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. WHEN WE TALKED TO THE CITY CLERK ABOUT THAT, I DIDN'T ASK THAT QUESTION. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. >>COUN. LEWIS: DOES THE CLERK WANT TO COMMENT ON THIS? FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS DOABLE? HOW WOULD YOU DO THIS IN THIS REGARD? IS IT SOMETHING YOU CAN SEE IMPLEMENTING? OR IS IT BEYOND THE SCOPE? >> MR. PRESIDENT, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I HAVE NO CONCERNS ABOUT THIS. WE HAVE CAPACITY TO DO IT. WE CAN PUT TOGETHER AN EDUCATIONAL PAMPLET FOR THE PUBLIC JUST BASED ON THE RESOLUTION. AND WE CAN MAKE THAT AVAILABLE ELECTRONICICALLY WITH PAPER COPIES AND WE CAN HOST MEETINGS. I DON'T HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THIS. IT'S WITHIN OUR BUDGET APPROPRIATION. >>COUN. LEWIS: AND THE IDEA OF CONDUCTING THREE COMMUNITY OUTREACH EVENTS, ARE YOU ABLE TO -- HOW WOULD YOU IMPLEMENT THAT? >> WE TASK THREE DIFFERENT BOARDS IN THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE. WE HOST LOT OF MEETINGS IN MY OFFICE. I WOULD JUST USE THE SAME FORMAT. I NOTICE THE MEETINGS. WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO SOME ADVERTISING, IF NECESSARY. THERE'S MECHANISMS TO DO THAT. I ADVERTISE IT, NOTICE IT, AND HAVE THE MEETING. >>COUN. LEWIS: WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO SEE EXPENSES? COULD YOU ABSORB THAT IN YOUR BUDGET? COULD YOU ABSORB YOUR PERSONNEL TIME? >> IPRA KEEPS US VERY BUSY, BUT I THINK WE CAN DO THAT. WE'RE RAMPING UP FOR THE ELECTION SEASON. I THINK WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CAPACITY TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. >>COUN. LEWIS: WOULD YOU DO IT ANYWAY IF WE DIDN'T MAKE YOU DO IT WITH THIS AMENDMENT? IF WE DIDN'T DO THIS AMENDMENT, WOULD YOU DO IT ANYWAY AND YOU DO WHAT YOU CAN RATHER THAN US MAKING YOU DO IT AND YOU HAVE EXPECTATIONS OF A -- THEN YOU CAN DO IT HOWEVER YOU WANT, HOWEVER YOU THINK IS BEST RATHER THAN WHAT YOU THINK THE COUNSEL MIGHT BE EXPECTING TO BE GOOD ENOUGH? >> I DON'T MIND AFFIRMATIVE DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL. GIVEN THAT I THINK THERE'S A SUGGESTION LIKE THIS EARLIER AND THERE'S AN INDICATION THIS COULD BE DONE, BECAUSE THERE'S AN AMENDMENT EARLIER THAT THE COUNCIL DIDN'T PASS, SO BECAUSE THE COUNCIL DIDN'T PASS THE EARLIER AMENDMENT I WOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT. I THINK PASSING IT IS HELPFUL. IF YOU WANT ME TO DO IT, PASS THE AMENDMENT AND I'LL DO IT. >>COUN. LEWIS: IF WE DIDN'T PASS THE AMENDMENT, WOULD YOU STILL DO IT? >> I DON'T THINK I WOULD. TO BE HONEST. >>COUN. LEWIS: OKAY. COUNCILOR SANCHEZ. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: HOW DO YOU HANDLE THE OTHER TWO BOARDS THAT YOU DEAL WITH? DO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO OUT AND DO AN EDUCATIONAL PROCESS WITH THEM OR DO YOU GIVE A QUICK BRIEFING TO THE INDIVIDUALS INTERESTED? >> I WOULD SAY WE HANDLE THEM WELL. THEY ARE -- THEY VARY IN POPULARITY. THEY'RE BOARDS THAT VARY IN INTERESTS. WE HAVE HELD IT IN THE CHAMBERS BASED ON INTEREST. WE'RE VERY FLEXIBLE. WE CAN DO WHAT'S NECESSARY FOR PROJECTED DEMAND. >>COUN. SANCHEZ: EITHER WAY, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU HAVE IT OR NOT, YOU CAN STILL MAKE IT HAPPEN? >> I PREFER THE COUNCIL TO DIRECT ME WHAT YOU WANT ME TO DO. >>COUN. LEWIS: THAT MAKES SENSE. I GUESS THE OTHER ONE TO BE IS -- THIS SEEMS LIKE A LOT, THREE IN THREE MONTHS, IS ONE BETTER? >> I DON'T HAVE NO PERSPECTIVE. >>COUN. LEWIS: I RECOMMEND AT LEAST ONE. >>COUN. ROGERS: I THINK THE INTENT IS THEY HOLD -- IF THEY HAVE THREE MONTHS TO ADVERTISE, THEY HOLD ONE A MONTH. I AS A CITY COUNCILOR HOLD ONE A MONTH, IT'S NOT -- COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN DOES ONE A MONTH. IT'S NOT OVERBURDENED. THEY CAN BE ON ZOOM. THEY CAN BE HYBRID. I THINK THE POINT OF THIS, THIS BODY CONTINUES TO REJECT EDUCATION. EDUCATING THE PUBLIC WHO IS NOT IN THE KNOW ABOUT THIS FOR ME IS VERY IMPORTANT. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. IT'S ABOUT TELLING COMMUNITY THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO -- THIS IS OUR CHARTER. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT PEOPLE CAN GET INVOLVED IN HOW WE GOVERN THE CITY. I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT TO FOCUS ON EDUCATION AND OUR CITY CLERK HAS SAID THEY CAN DO THIS, THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THIS, THEY CAN DO IT WELL. AND LET'S GIVE IT A TRY. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, WE CAN TAKE IT OUT LATER. I URGE YOUR SUPPORT FOR EDUCATION FOR OUR COMMUNITY. >>COUN. LEWIS: ALL RIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE AMENDMENT? AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO? AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? WE'LL CLOSE DISCUSSION AND GO TO A VOTE. THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. OPPOSED NO. MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ANY OTHER AMENDMENTS? ANOTHER FLOOR AMENDMENT, MAYBE? OKAY. THOSE ARE THE ONLY AMENDMENTS PROPOSED BY THE COUNCIL. BACK TO COUNCILOR CHAMPINE. THIS IS AS AMENDED. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. LEWIS: JUST BECAUSE I WENT THERE QUICK, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE BILL AS AMENDED? COUNCILOR BACA. >>COUN. BACA: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION FOR THE STAFF. THIS SETS THE TASK FORCE EVERY TEN YEARS. IS THERE ANYTHING TO PRECLUDE IT BEING BROUGHT UP TEN YEARS FROM NOW OR FIVE YEARS FROM NOW? OKAY, I'M GOOD. >> MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR BACA, NO, I THINK WE DISCUSSED THIS BRIEFLY AT THE LAST COMMITTEE MEETING. THERE WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING STOPPING THE COUNCIL FROM CALLING THE TASK FORCE TO MEET OFF-CYCLE. >>COUN. LEWIS: COULD WE PROHIBIT IT? THINK WE SHOULD PROHIBIT IT? OKAY. YOU WANT IT, LET'S DO IT. COUNCILOR FIEBELKORN. >>COUN. FIEBELKORN: THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT, COUNCILOR CHAMPINE, I THOUGHT THIS WAS A REALLY COOL IDEA WHEN COUNCILOR ROGERS BROUGHT THIS FORWARD A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. AND COUNCILOR BACA AND I WERE -- YOU KNOW, HONORED TO CO-SPONSOR. I AM VERY CONFUSED STILL AS TO HOW TWO MONTHS LATER WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING AND NOW IT'S -- FOR THAT REASON I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING IT. I DO THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT STUFF, BUT NOTHING'S CHANGED IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS. THANK YOU. >>COUN. LEWIS: ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. WE'LL CLOSE DISCUSSION. ONE MORE SHOT FOR COUNCILOR CHAMPINE TO CLOSE. >>COUN. CHAMPINE: PLEASE, I URGE YOUR SUPPORT. >>COUN. LEWIS: THOSE IN FAVOR SAY YES AND RAISE YOUR HAND. THOSE OPPOSED, NO. MOTION PASSES ON A 7-2. ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS R-85. THAT'S IT. THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS, THIS MEETING SUJOURNED.