Based on the context provided and the content of the transcript, here is the formatted version with speaker names identified. Note: The Planning Commission members identified during the roll call are **Chair Pearson**, **Commissioner Wellenbrink**, **Commissioner Starkey**, and **Commissioner Moli**. The City Council liaison mentioned (phonetically "Inger brickson") is likely **Council Member Ingebretsen** (though not on your provided list, he is explicitly named in the dialogue). *** **[00:00] Chair Pearson:** We still have a quorum? We do. Okay, welcome to the Planning Commission November second meeting. First on is call to order, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance. **[00:15] All:** I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. **[00:30] Chair Pearson:** Luke, if you would do the roll call, please. **[00:33] Luke McClanahan (Planning Manager):** Pearson? **[00:34] Chair Pearson:** Here. **[00:35] Luke McClanahan (Planning Manager):** Wellenbrink? **[00:36] Commissioner Wellenbrink:** Here. **[00:37] Luke McClanahan (Planning Manager):** Campbell is absent. Starkey? **[00:39] Commissioner Starkey:** Here. **[00:40] Luke McClanahan (Planning Manager):** Moli? **[00:41] Commissioner Moli:** Here. **[00:42] Luke McClanahan (Planning Manager):** Tiata is not going to be here tonight, and Hagen is also not going to be here tonight. **[00:45] Chair Pearson:** Thank you. Reviewing the minutes from October 5th. Anyone have any corrections or additions to them? I wasn't here, so... **[00:52] Commissioner:** Okay, you recuse yourself. And was I here? I don't remember. No, October 5th, I wasn't. **[00:58] Chair Pearson:** I move for... I need a motion for someone to move to approve. I wasn't here so I can't. **[01:03] Commissioner:** Oh, so moved. **[01:04] Commissioner:** Yeah, sorry. **[01:05] Chair Pearson:** All those in favor? **[01:06] Commissioners:** Aye. **[01:07] Chair Pearson:** All those opposed? They are approved as presented. Old business: none. So the first one is the public hearing for the Marless Center for Early Education at 1470 Helmo Avenue. The site plan and planned unit development amendment. Luke, report. **[01:25] Luke McClanahan (Planning Manager):** Yes, thank you. And we'll have this here on the screen in just a moment. The location of the site is 1470 Helmo Avenue. It'll have a new access off the west side of Helmo, and the purpose is to establish an early education center... [Luke continues detailing the project specifics regarding parking, landscaping, and building materials]. Staff finds that the requested deviation to the exterior design standards is appropriate... Staff recommends approval of both the PUD amendment and the site plan request subject to certain conditions. A reminder: this is a public hearing. The applicant is here in attendance if you have questions, and I’d be happy to answer other questions. Thank you. **[06:45] Chair Pearson:** Anyone have any questions for Luke? No? And at this time, I open the public... offer the time for the applicant to make comments if they wish. **[06:55] Applicant Representative:** Hi, thank you. I can answer the question that was raised before about the drop-off. Because the kids are very little, we require parents to actually walk them inside just for safety purposes. So they park and then bring their child in and then leave. That's what the parking study reflected was those exact situations... **[07:20] Chair Pearson:** I would assume it's also for security, to check the kid in so you know exactly which person is taking them? **[07:25] Applicant Representative:** Exactly, yes. They have to sign their child in. **[07:30] Commissioner Starkey:** I know the shoulder—there is no shoulder on that road. It's just basically a two-lane road. How many people are you going to potentially have queued up to get to one of those parking places? Because at another school we have in town, Eagle Point, during drop-off time you can't drive through there because people are using the road to park and wait to queue. **[07:55] Applicant Representative:** Sure. I think the parking study is the best reference for that. Most of our centers have less than 10 parking spaces; this will be the most that isn't in a strip mall. We haven't seen those sorts of issues. That was a concern at our Hiawatha location, but because families drop off over several hours and the average time on site is just a few minutes, it doesn't result in queuing. **[08:35] Commissioner:** How tall is the fence? I'm okay with it being not wrought iron, but how tall is that? **[08:40] Applicant Representative:** We could do four feet. What we're proposing is Trex. **[08:45] Commissioner:** Wrought iron has gaps in it, and I'm okay with that. It’s the height, because your elevation doesn't show the fence. A new hospital down the street has a big six-foot white fence and it stands out. **[08:55] Applicant Representative:** Oh, sure. Well, we were thinking four feet. Because then families can see when they are coming up. **[09:02] Chair Pearson:** Perfect. I assume brown to match the building? **[09:05] Applicant Representative:** Yeah, we have a sample called Woodland Brown. **[09:10] Commissioner Wellenbrink:** This is a point of information. Had you not made a change from wrought iron fence to your wooden type fence, I would have had a concern because of children getting caught in the fence. **[09:20] Applicant Representative:** Yes, we had one center in Minneapolis with that requirement and we had a lot of issues with kids leaning into it or throwing toys out of it. It became a safety hazard. **[09:35] Chair Pearson:** Anyone else have questions? No? Thank you very much. **[09:40] Applicant Representative:** All right, thank you very much. **[09:42] Chair Pearson:** Anything else you'd like to present? **[09:43] Luke McClanahan (Planning Manager):** Of course, anything? Thank you, Mr. Chair. I wasn't sure if the public hearing was open or not open. **[09:48] Chair Pearson:** No, it's not open now. I will open it. I almost did by mistake before. I open the public hearing for any comment from the public. Is there anyone here who wishes to make comment? Please come forward. Seeing none, I'll make it one more time... Seeing none, I close the public hearing. Bring it back—any final comments? No. Then I look for a motion to recommend approval of the PUD Amendment and site plan for the Marless Center for Early Education. **[10:20] Commissioner:** So moved. **[10:21] Commissioner:** Second. **[10:22] Chair Pearson:** All those in favor? **[10:23] Commissioners:** Aye. **[10:24] Chair Pearson:** Any opposed? Thank you very much, motion passes. Next is a public hearing on the proposed Shoreline overlay zoning district ordinance. Luke. **[10:35] Luke McClanahan (Planning Manager):** Yes, thank you. This is a very technical topic... [Luke explains the DNR requirements for Shoreland property and the specific negotiations regarding Tanner Lake, Armstrong Lake, and Mud Lake]. By working with the DNR, the City has been able to negotiate reduced setback standards... The one exception is the city-owned Tanner Lake site, where we've created a special district allowing a 30-foot setback. I'd be happy to answer questions. **[14:15] Chair Pearson:** I've got questions about this Tanner Lake Redevelopment district. You're saying you're only wanting to do that—does this impact other portions of Tanner Lake, or are you making a specific area for this 30-foot? **[14:30] Luke McClanahan (Planning Manager):** This applies only to the city-owned parcels on the west side and a couple other privately owned parcels there. The other properties around Tanner Lake would fall under that 50-foot setback requirement. **[14:50] Chair Pearson:** Right, except ones that have been grandfathered in as they've been built out. What are your plans there? Are you planning housing, restaurants? I understand there's not a lot of space, but I’m wondering what the plan was for this development. **[15:15] Luke McClanahan (Planning Manager):** The city is working with a prospective developer... a mixture of housing there. I'm looking to our city council liaison as to how much detail I can go into here with that exclusive rights agreement. **[15:35] Council Member Ingebretsen:** Should I come up here probably? Yeah. It kind of seems to me like the DNR is the one steering the ship on this. That's the impression I've gotten. I know the city wants one thing and the DNR is consistently pushing back. Would that be a correct way to put it? **[15:55] Luke McClanahan (Planning Manager):** That's fair, yeah. **[15:57] Council Member Ingebretsen:** So, we've gotten occasional updates, but nobody's really come out point-blank and asked the council yet, "What do you think?" Because really, the DNR hierarchy is above us when it comes to this stuff. Nobody's approached us and said, "City Council, what do you want?" **[16:25] Chair Pearson:** His question was, who's going to be—what you're planning on doing? **[16:30] Council Member Ingebretsen:** Oh, as far as that goes, I've heard nothing. There's been no conversation whatsoever. **[16:35] Commissioner:** I'm assuming this would be the third or fourth attempt at trying to redevelop. Are you talking specifically the parcel next to the hotel? **[16:45] Council Member Ingebretsen:** The parcel next to the—is it going to be like apartments/townhomes? Correct? **[16:50] Luke McClanahan (Planning Manager):** That's the latest concept we've seen, yes. **[16:55] Council Member Ingebretsen:** And yeah, that site next to LivINN right now, they're looking at multi-family and rentals. I think the current development being proposed is eyed at long-term rentals for 3Mers. Does that sound right? **[17:15] Luke McClanahan (Planning Manager):** That's consistent with what I've heard. The details are still fluid with a prospective developer. **[17:25] Chair Pearson:** One more question. You're talking about sewage treatment systems. We get a lot of green stuff on the lake when it rains, and that's causing a lot of growth. Will that be addressed too, or are you just trying to get a blanket thing so you can get this thing going? **[17:55] Luke McClanahan (Planning Manager):** This ordinance isn't the right tool to address that specific issue. This is more about new housing and redevelopment. There are provisions about being connected to the city sanitary system as opposed to a septic system. **[18:25] Commissioner Starkey:** I don't know if we bring this up, but there is a typo in the exemption area on page one. It says "no inconformity," it should be "not in conformity." **[18:35] Luke McClanahan (Planning Manager):** No problem fixing that up. Thank you. **[18:40] Chair Pearson:** At this point, I should open the public hearing for the proposed Shoreland overlay zoning district ordinance. Is anyone in the audience who wishes to make comment? [Pause] There are none. I will only offer it once more. Seeing none, I close the public hearing. Any final comments? Luke, anything final? **[19:15] Luke McClanahan (Planning Manager):** No. **[19:16] Chair Pearson:** Then I guess I would look for a motion to recommend approval of the ordinance amendment to chapter 25. **[19:25] Commissioner:** So moved. **[19:26] Commissioner:** Second. **[19:27] Chair Pearson:** All those in favor? **[19:28] Commissioners:** Aye. **[19:29] Chair Pearson:** Any opposed? Thank you very much, motion passes. Luke, any Planning Development update? **[19:35] Luke McClanahan (Planning Manager):** In terms of a December Planning Commission meeting, that's to be determined. Our submittal date is next week, so nothing received at this time. **[19:45] Chair Pearson:** City council member—Council Member Ingebretsen? **[19:47] Council Member Ingebretsen:** Probably said a little more than I should have already tonight, but I'll answer any questions. **[19:52] Chair Pearson:** Anything? I guess we have nothing for you. Thank you for coming. All right. Motion to adjourn? **[19:58] Commissioner:** Motion to adjourn. **[19:59] Commissioner:** Second. **[20:00] Chair Pearson:** All those in favor? **[20:01] Commissioners:** Aye. **[20:02] Chair Pearson:** Any opposed? We stand adjourned.