. EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE NOVEMBER 30TH 2023 MEETING OF THE BLOOMINGTON PLANNING COMMISSION. THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS MADE UP OF SEVEN VOLUNTEER BLOOMINGTON RESIDENTS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL . THE COMMISSION ADVISES THE CITY COUNCIL ON DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS STANDARDS LONG RANGE PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION ISSUES. OUR WORK IS INFORMED BY THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN VARIOUS DISTRICT PLANS AND THE CITY CODE FOR SOME ITEMS THE CITY MAKES A RECOMMENDATION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL HAVING FINAL DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY IN OTHER CASES THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE OR DENY AN APPLICATION SUBJECT TO AN APPEAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL . FOR EAC ACTION ITEM TRE WILL BE A STA REPORT AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEN TIME FOR ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY. OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS TONIGHT IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. PLEASE STAND AS ARE ABLE I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL ALL WE HAVE SOME PAPERWORK IN ORDER HERE. FIVE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. THE FIRST ITEM IS COMMISSION BUSINESS WHICH IS THE SWEARING IN OF A NEW COMMISSIONER. AND SO I WOULD ASK COMMISSIONER ISSA TO PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. REPEAT AFTER ME. I OBJECT TO YOU, SIR. I DISAGREE, SIR. DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR. DO SOLEMNLY THAT I WILL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION. I WILL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE, THE UNITED STATES AND THE STATE OF MINNESOTA. THE UNITED STATES AND THE STATE OF MINNESOTA AND DISCHARGE THE DUTIES AND FAITHFULLY DISCHARGE THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE OFFICE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON OF THE CITY BLOOMINGTON AND THE COUNTY OF HENNEPIN COUNTY OF THE STATE OF MIESOTA. MINNESOTA TO THE BEST OF MY JUDGMENT AND ABILITY TO THE BEST OF MY JUDGMENT ABILITY. CONGRATULATIONS AND WELCOME TO THE COMMISSION. THANK YOU, CHAIR ITEM NUMBER TWO IS A REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE ON A FINAL SITE AND BUILDING PLAN FOR STADIUM IMPROVEMENTS AT JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL AND THE PLANNING MANAGER HAS AN UPDATE ON THIS APPLICATION. IT'S CHAIRMAN COMMISSIONERS. WE DO HAVE A REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT IN THIS ITEM FOR INDEFINITE CONTINUANCE THAT IS TO ALLOW TIME TO PREPARE A NOISE STUDY AND TO SEEK GUIDANCE FROM THE MINNESOTA POLLUTION CONTROL AGENCY ON A POTENTIAL NOISE VARIANCE PROCESS. THE APPLICANT HAS EXTENDED THE AGENCY ACTION DEADLINE TO JUNE 1ST OF NEXT YEAR. SO ONCE THE APPLICANT DETERMINES A DATE TO RETURN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WE WILL BE POSTING A NOTICE IN THE NEWSPAPER SEND CURRENT AND MAILING NOTICE TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS 500 FEET OF THE SCHOOL SITE AND THAT WILL ANNOUNCE THE NEW DATE FOR ANOTHER PUBLIC. SO WE DO HAVE TWO RECOMMENDED MOTIONS. FIRST OF ALL TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN SECONDLY TO INDEFINITELY CONTINUE THE REVIEW. YOU. SO FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE WHO ARE IN THE CHAMBERS OR MAY BE WATCHING ONLINE THE COMMISSION WILL NOT BE TAKING AN ACTION UP OR DOWN ON THE ITEM THAT APPEARED BEFORE US ON NOVEMBER 2ND. THE ACTION THAT IS REQUESTED FOR THE COMMISSION IS TO INDEFINITELY CONTINUE. HOWEVER, THE PUBLIC IS DOES REMAIN OPEN FROM THE LAST MEETING AND THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO I BELIEVE MAY HAVE CHOSEN TO COME FOR THAT ITEM. SO PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN BUT AS YOU THINK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU'D LIKE TO OFFER TESTIMONY, YOU KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE NO ACTION ON THE ITEM AT THIS MEETING. SO AT THIS TIME THE PUBLIC HEARING IS DOES REMAIN OPEN. SO I WOULD SAY IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM YOU ARE WELCOME TO COME FORWARD. YO MAY SIGN IAND. YOU WOULD HAVE 3 MINUTES FOR TESTIMONY. I'LL GO QUICK AND ALSO FOR CLARIFICATION I KNOW THAT THERE ARE TWO VERY SIMILAR ITEMS THIS ITEM THAT'S IN FRONT OF US AND NUMBER TWO IS FOR THE PROPOSAL AT JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL. MY NAME IS DOUG HERZOG. I LIVE AT 10215 JOHNSON CIRCLE. I'M JUST WONDERING HOW COULD I FIND OUT IF ANYTHING HAS BEEN PURCHASED FOR THE STADIUM BEFORE? YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY MADE A DECISION. SO I'M JUST LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION ON THAT. SO IN A PUBLIC LIKE HAVE YOU PURCHASED BLEACHERS? YEAH. AND THAT WOULD NOT BE SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OUT OF ORDER HERE. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER AND THE PLANNING WOULD NOT BE PRIVY TO ANYTHING THE SCHOOL HAS OR HASN'T DONE THAT THAT'S NOT OKAY. IT'S JUST INTERESTING BECAUSE THEY SAY THE OPPOSITE. SO I MEAN IT'S JUST YOU KNOW, THEY TALKED TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. I CAN'T TO WHERE I GOT IT. I'M JUST SAYING THAT YOU GUYS JUST DO THE CIRCULAR WHERE NOBODY GIVES AN ANSWER. AGAIN, I THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE JUST DOING SOME CIRCULAR THINKING. WE DON'T REPRESENT THE SCHOOL BOARD SO ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM NOW SPEAK GO AHEAD AND COME ON FORWARD INTRODUCE YOURSELF SIGN IN . ALL RIGHT. MY NAME IS DAVID OLSON. I'M A SON OF PARENTS WHO LIVE HERE AND I LIVE IN BURNSVILLE . I JUST WANT TO THANK THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR DOING ITS TO OF OF DOING WHAT'S YOU KNOW, DOING A NOISE STUDY AND A AND I THINK WAS IT I CAN'T ASK A QUESTION BUT I THINK THE HIGH SCHOOL JEFFERSON A AND THE DISTRICT ACTUALLY ASKED ALL OF YOU TO REQUEST AN INDEFINITE CONTINUED. IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. AND WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN INDEFINITE CONTINUES THIS MEANS THAT THE DATE IS NOT KNOWN TODAY. OKAY. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE LAST MEETING WHEN WE HAD A DATE CERTAIN CONTINUANCE WHICH SAID THAT THE MEETING WE WOULD HAVE THE HEARING AGAIN TODAY. SO THAT'S DIFFERENCE. OKAY. WELL I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORTS AND I KNOW I DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO USE ALL MINUTES BUT I THINK IN ABDI WELCOME TO THE BOARD. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. YOU BET. THANK YOU. 31 ELSE I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM . MY NAME IS CRAIG HALL. I LIVE A ONE OR 217 JOHNSON CIRCLE SO RIGHT NEXT TO JEFFERSON THE PARKING LOTS IN THE BACK OF MY HOUSE THE ONLY COMMENT THAT I HAVE TO MAKE IS THAT I'M FAIRLY NEW TO THAT. I MOVED IN IN 2019 AND THE FIRST NOTES I HAD WAS IN OCTOBER AND AT THE BOTTOM IT SAID THAT IT WAS FOR A FINAL RESOLUTION AND SO I'M GLAD THAT IT'S BEEN DELAYED BECAUSE I DIDN'T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THE TIME. I THINK ROBERT BLOOMINGTON I'VE ONLY LIVED THERE FOR YEARS NOW SO I THINK TAKING YOUR TIME AND MAKING SURE IF THERE'S A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN PUT A LIST FOR PEOPLE TO RECEIVE EMAILS THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE A BETTER WAY TO GET INFORMATION THAN ACTUALLY GOING THROUGH THE NEWSPAPER. THAT'S VERY OLD AND ALSO DOING A MAILING IF IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE THIS IT CAME THREE DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING. THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR ME BECAUSE I WORK OUT OF TOWN. SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND THAT WE GET THE INFORMATION AS SOON AS WE CAN GET IT. SO I PROPOSE THAT YOU COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF MAILING LIST ON EMAIL SO THAT PEOPLE IN THAT 500 FOOT DISTRICT ARE NOTIFIED IMMEDIATELY AND THEY MAY NOT TAKE ACTION BUT AT LEAST THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU . WOULD YOU LIKE I LIVE AT 10213 JOHNSON CIRCLE AND MY NAME IS FLOYD OLSON. YOU MAY KNOW IT. YOU MAY HAVE HEARD IT AND YOU MAY HAVE READ SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE WRITTEN SINCE I COULDN'T SPEAK FOR MORE THAN 3 MINUTES WHEN I WAS HERE LAST TIME AND I HAD A LOT TO SAY. I'VE WRITTEN A LOT OF MEMOS AND THEN DISTRIBUTED A LOT OF MEMOS AND SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE READ THEM WHAT THEY CAN TELL FOR YOUR IS PROBABLY 7 TO 10 SIGNIFICANT LEGAL ISSUES THAT YOU'RE FACING AND I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT SO IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THEM I WOULD CERTAINLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO GIVE THEM TO YOUR CITY. THE FIRST THING I WOULD LIKE TO SAY IS THAT MR. ROHMAN CUT ME OFF WHEN I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN A COUPLE OF THINGS AND WHICH IS HIS YOU KNOW IT'S HIS RIGHT TO DO THAT UNDER WHAT THE RULES ARE. BUT I DO WANT TO TELL YOU THAT I THINK THAT WHEN YOU GIVE 30 MINUTES OF TIME FOR THE APPLICANT TO, SELL HIS PRODUCT AND THEN THE PEOPLE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO IT ONLY GET 3 MINUTES. I THINK IT'S A DENIAL OF DUE PROCESS AND. THAT'S ONE OF THE LEGAL ISSUES THAT I THINK BLOOMINGTON IS FACING WHEN IT COMES TO ITS HEARINGS. I'M ONLY SAYING THAT BECAUSE I USED TO BE THE CITY ATTORNEY AND I WAS ALWAYS PUZZLED OVER WHY THE LIMITED PEOPLE TO 3 MINUTE WHEN THE PSON WAS PROPOSING SOMETHING WAS ALWAYS GIVEN AN ENDLESS AMOUNT OF TIME. AND WHAT IT DOES IS REVEALS WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM AND WE DO KNOW WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM ON THIS ONE. SO THANKS VERY MUCH SO GOOD EVENING. HI. I WAS HERE AT THE NOVEMBER 2ND MEETING AND I HAD SOME QUESTIONS THEN THAT I HAVE KIND OF FOLLOWED ON. SO NOISE IN THIS HEARING SEEMS TO BE THE MAIN ISSUE THE CONTINUANCE IS BEING GRANTED FOR THE PURSUIT OF A VARIANCE TO NOISE AND THEN IT FEELS A LITTLE BIT LIKE PEOPLE THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE ONLY HURDLE . SO I AS ONE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD PEOPLE THAT AREA WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP THE OTHER THREE MAJOR ISSUES THAT I FEEL ARE NOT RECEIVING ANY REAL CONSIDERATION. THE FIRST ONE BEING TRAFFIC SAFETY AND PARKING SINCE THE NOVEMBER 2ND MEETING I HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY DO NOT BELIEVE THERE IS PARKING ON SITE ENOUGH FOR THIS PLAN AT JEFFERSON. WE'VE ALSO HAD CONVERSATIONS AT KENNEDY THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT BETTER PARKING SITUATION BUT WE ALREADY EXPERIENCE REALLY TERRIBLE BACKUPS JUST DURING SCHOOL TRAFFIC HOURS. SO IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING THESE GAMES IN THE EVENINGS THERE SHOULD BE SOME PLAN I JUST WOULD LOVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT FOR HOW TO HANDLE THAT INFLUX OF TRAFFIC AND PARKING. WE'VE HAD MANY PEDESTRIAN INJURIES AND ACCIDENTS REPORTED PEOPLE CRASH THE FENCE OF ONE PERSON AND SOME NEIGHBOR OF MINE REPEATEDLY SO THAT MITIGATION WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD JUST LOVE TO HEAR COVERED A LITTLE MORE AND NOT A NOISE VARIANCE SOMEWHAT SEEN AS A GOLDEN TICKET TO APPROVAL ON THIS. THE OTHER TWO THINGS ARE THE LIGHTING I KNOW I WAS HAPPY TO SEE THE DOWN SHIELDING WAS REMOVED OR THE UPSCALING WAS REMOVED AND THE DOWN SHIELDING REMAINS TO HELP WITH LIGHT TRESPASS BUT MY LAST ITEM WOULD BE THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT I MENTIONED LAST TIME AND THE 90 FOOT POLES WITH I THINK IT'S TEN FIXTURE LEDS STILL. THERE ARE TONS OF STUDIES THAT PROVE THAT THAT IS TERRIBLE FOR MIGRATORY BIRDS. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME WORK DONE ON MITIGATION AND AND WORK WITH THE IPCA OR THE WATERSHED OR NINE MILE CREEK GROUP JUST BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A MAJOR FLYWAY WE HAVE 325 BIRD SPECIES ROUGHLY, 40% OF SHOREBIRDS COME THROUGH THIS AREA ON THAT MAJOR FLYWAY AND WE HAVE BENEFICIAL INSECTS. WE HAVE ENDANGERED SPECIES IN THIS AREA SPECIES OF BAT AND BUMBLEBEE AND JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE ANYONE'S SPEAKING FOR THEM SO MY MY I ASK WOULD BE THAT EVEN IF THERE IS A NOISE VARIANCE PURSUIT THAT THESE OTHER AREAS ARE AND THAT MAYBE THERE IS EVEN SOME KIND OF CONDITIONAL AGREEMENT THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SAFETY AND THAT THE ENVIRONMENT ARE CONSERVED THANKS THEY SHOW AND GOOD EVENING THANK YOU FOR LETTING US SPEAK TONIGHT I LIVE AT 315 EAST 90TH STREET CATTY CORNER FROM THE FOOTBALL ARENA THE CURREN FOOTBL ARENA AT KENNEDY HIGH AMONG SEVERAL CONCERNS THAT I HAVE ARE IF THE STADIUM THE FIRST OF ALL IS IN R-1 DISTRICT SO THAT IT'S RESIDENTIAL THE NEIGHBORS THAT I SPOKE WITH WERE ACTUALLY SHOCKED WHEN THEY FOUND OUT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET AGAIN THEY HAD MAYBE BEEN FIRED BUT THE FLIER HADN'T BEEN RECEIVED IN A WAY THAT THEY PAID ATTENTION TO IT. SO LOTS OF CONCERN. PEOPLE WAY THE OTHER THING IS IS THAT IF THE STADIUM WAS BUILT IN AN AREA THAT'S R-1 AND IT'S ONLY ZONED FOR THAT KIND OF USAGE, YOU KNOW, EXCEPTIONS TO SCHOOLS BUT IT WAS NEVER INTENDED FOR THAT AREA TO GAIN A NIGHT STADIUM. THE STADIUM IS GOING TO HAVE THAT AFFECT AGAIN INSECTS, BIRDS ALSO SPEAKING FOR THEM. WE DO HAVE ENDANGERED SPECIES GOING THROUGH THERE. THE RUSTY PATCHED BUMBLEBEE IS THERE. WE HAVE WE DO HAVE MIGRATORY BIRDS BUT WE ALSO HAVE DUSK EMERGENT SPECIES THAT BROWN BAT IS IN THAT ARE AND THAT'S ON DECLINE AND THAT'S BEEN A CONCERN FOR FEDERAL WILDLIFE AS WELL. SO A COUPLE OF THOSE ISSUES THE OTHER THING IS IS THAT I'M CONCERNED THAT BECAUSE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT RENTS OUT THEIR FACILITIES THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY HAVE SEVEN NIGHTS A WEEK OF STADIUM LIT IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD FROM DUSK UNTIL 10 P.M. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S INTENTION BUT THAT'S THE POTENTIAL AND THERE'S NOBODY THAT TELL ME THAT THAT WON'T HAPPEN. SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW THE SCHOOL DISTRICT PLANS USING THE RENTAL END OF THIS. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE EVEN ALLOWED TO RENT OUT SCHOOL DISTRICT PROPERTY. I IT WAS JUST MADE FOR SCHOOLS THERE'S JUST SO MANY QUESTIONS AROUND IT THAT ARE BEYOND JUST A NOISE VARIANCE THE NOISES, THE LIGHTS THEY ALL AFFECT HUMAN BEINGS AND INSECTS AND BIRDS AND ANIMALS IN WAYS THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY ATTENDING. THERE'S SO MANY STUDIES OUT THERE THAT TALK ABOUT THOSE THINGS AFFECT PEOPLE ON A DAILY BASIS. KIDS WILL GO THROUGH THAT SCHOOL AND OUT IN FOUR YEARS BUT THE RESIDENTS AS MY FAMILY HAS BEEN THERE 70 YEARS WILL BE THERE AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. AND IT'S A VERY LARGE CHANGE FOR THOSE FAMILIES. AND THEN LAST THE SCHOOL WOULD BE WELL-ADVISED IN INCLUDING NEIGHBORS NEIGHBORS IN THE DISCUSSION SO THAT THERE'S SOME KIND OF INTERFACE IN BETWEEN THE TWO THAT THEY'RE WORKING TOGETHER AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT PART OF YOUR JURISDICTION BUT IT HASN'T HAPPENED. SO GIVING EVERYONE A VOICE THE PLANNING PROCESS WOULD BE NICE THIRD OR AT LEAST AND OH ANOTHER LOCATION IN THE SOUTH LOOP PERFECT. IT'S ALREADY LIT AND NOISY THANK YOU. THANKS. ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM ? IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE ? AND WE DO HAVE TWO PEOPLE ONLINE THAT MAY BE INTERESTED IN SPEAKING. I KNOW YOU WANT TO GET I'M SURE WE HAD SOMEONE WHO CAME TO THE TABLE. WE'LL GO AHEAD AND TAKE THEM FIRST . YEAH, MY NAME'S KEN MEYER. I LIVE ON 95TH AND STEVENS AND THERE'S THE MAPLE MAPLE PARK ACROSS FROM ME. WELL, ONE KENNEDY GETS OUT THAT IS LIKE A THOROUGHFARE RACE FAIR AND I A LOT OF TRAFFIC ON THAT WHOLE STREET THEY IGNORE THAT STOP YOU PUT A BUNCH MORE PEOPLE IN THERE IT'S THE TRAFFIC TREMENDOUS AND THERE'S ALSO A DAYCARE THAT NOBODY SAYS ABOUT ON THIRD THERE TOO IS THAT GOING TO BE AFFECTED OR THAT I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC AND THE NOISE I LIVE ACROSS AT THE I MEAN A CROSSED AND I GOT PARK IN BETWEEN I GET WHENEVER THEY'RE PLAYING I GET OLDER AND WISER WANT THANK YOU THANK YOU YES JEROME AND WE'L CHECK WITH THE PEOPLE ONLINE FIRST OF ALL KENNETH AND AS I WILL AND MUTE YOU NOW IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR TAKING US UNDER CONSIDERATION AND EXTENDING THIS INDEFINITELY TO MAKE THAT CONSIDERATION YOU TAKING OUR CONCERNS IN THE HEART IN MUCH APPRECIATED FOR THAT I WANT TO REITERATE THAT WE DO HAVE THOSE HAVE ALREADY STATED IN PREVIOUS MEETING WHAT WE DO HAVE A STADIUM ALREADY IN PLACE AND IT'S A FINE WE JUST NEED TO MAKE USE OF WHAT RESOURCE WE HAVE AND THAT'S MY OFFERING ON THAT I MY I DO REITERATE THE CONCERNS FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AND JUST THE GENERAL CONGESTION AND AND AND COMMUNITY IMPACT THAT'S GOING TO OCCUR IF WE DO THESE TWO STADIUMS INTO THE NEW LOCATIONS THAT WE'RE PROPOSING IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL OF NIL REALLY NEEDS TO TAKE TO HEART YOU KNOW IS IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS NEEDED BY COMMUNITY AT THIS TIME ABOVE AND BEYOND THE ACTUAL STADIUM THAT WE HAVE. I SAY MAKE THAT ONE ULTIMATE AND THE WAY TO GO BUT APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR LISTENING TO MY INPUT AND WE'LL BE I'LL BE WATCHING CLOSELY TO SEE HOW WE PROCEED ON THIS MATTER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND THEN PAUL KOSKI FOLLOWS WITH THE APPCANT'S TEAM BUT I WILL UNMUTE YOU NOW IN CASE YOU'D LIKE TO ANYTHING IN RESOURCE DID YOU HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT TO MAKE? NO SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE CHAMBER WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM ? I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING NEW TO SAY THAT HAS NOT ALREADY BEEN SAID. IT'S JUST ANOTHER VOICE SAYING PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE THOUGHT OF BUILDING A STADIUM BOTH AT JEFFERSON AND ALSO AT KENNEDY. I AM A I ATTENDED I ALSO GRADUATED FROM JEFFERSON. I'VE BEEN TO MANY, MANY, MANY GAMES IN THE CURRENT STADIUM OVER DECADES QUITE HONESTLY AND I DON'T SEE A REASON. I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GIVE ME REASONS WHY YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD TWO NEW STADIUMS AND I DON'T HEAR ANY GOOD ONES. I GUESS THAT'S MY POINT IS IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE WHAT I THINK OF AS LINCOLN STADIUM AND THAT THE ENTIRE CITY HAS SHARED FOR MANY DECADES AND DO ANY RENOVATIONS THAT ARE NECESSARY AND PUT OUR MONEY IN THAT STADIUM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM SEEING NONE. I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING SO MOVED SECOND THANK YOU WITH A MOTION AND A SECOND CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING A DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED THE MOTION CARRY THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED SO WE HAVE BEFORE US A REQUEST FOR AN INDEFINITE CONTINUANCE. BEFORE WE MOVE TO THAT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE OF REMARKS. I THINK IT'S CLEAR WE HEARD AT THE LAST MEETING IT'S CLEAR WE HEARD TONIGHT THERE ARE OUTSTANDING ISSUES THAT WHILE THEY ARE NOT ITEMS THAT AGAIN AS I EXPLAINED AT THE LAST MEETING THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S AUTHORITY AND ROLE IS FAIRLY NARROW AND FAIRLY RESTRICTED AND SO WHAT I WILL SAYS WE HAVE HEARD A NUMBER OF THINGS FROM THE MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY THAT THAT ARE THE PEOPLE ARE FEELING THAT HAVE NOT BEEN HEARD OR NOT BEEN ADDRESSED. AND SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE APPLICANT IN WHATEVER TIME THEY HAVE T THEY IF THEY CHOOSE TO BRING THIS BACK I WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO SPEND THE TIME TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES, SPEND THE TIME REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, SPEND THE ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS. WE HEARD A NUMBER OF THINGS TONIGHT. WE HEARD AND AGAIN THESE ARE NOT THINGS THAT ARE SURPRISES TO ME EITHER AS A MEMBER OF THE BLOOMINGTON COMMUNITY AND A PARENT OF STUDENTS AT BLOOMINGTON SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, WE HEARD ABOUT TRAFFIC, WE HEARD ABOUT LIGHTING, WE HEARD ABOUT ENVIRONMENTAL, WE HEARD ABOUT RENTAL USAGE. WE HEARD ABOUT A NUMBER OF WE HEARD ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS LAST TIME TOO. AND SO AGAIN THE PLANNING COMMISSION OUR SCOPE IS FAIRLY NARROW. AN APPLICATION WILL EITHER MEET OR NOT MEET THE STANDARDS BUT THIS IS THE TIME SINCE THERE IS TIME AHEAD OF US I CAN SHARE GENERAL CONSENSUS FROM WHAT I HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY AND ENCOURAGE APPLICANT TO DO A LOT OF GOOD WORK IN THE NEXT. HOWEVER WEEKS OR MONTHS BEFORE THEY CHOOSE TO BRING SOMETHING BACK TO THIS BODY. I WOULD WISH SHACKLETON MR. CHAIR I WOULD LIKE ADDRESS ONE ITEM OF TESTIMONY IF I COULD. YES, WE HEARD A DESIRE TO BE MORE INFORMED ABOUT ITEM AND A POTENTIAL EMAIL LIST IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN THAT'S ALREADY AN OPTION PROVIDED BY THE CITY. PERHAPS THE PLANNING MANAGER COULD PROVIDE ADDITIONAL ON THAT. I WAS TAGGED TO MENTION THAT AND I FORGOT SO I WILL THROW THAT BACK TO PEOPLE WHO KNOW MORE ABOUTHISEROME AND COMMISSIONERS YOU. ONE OF THE SPEAKERS BROUGHT UP THE IDEA AN EMAIL LIST AND THE CITY DOES HAVE A LIST. IT'S CALLED E SUBSCRIBE AND CAN SIGN UP FOR IT ON THE CITY WEBSITE. AND WE DO HAVE FOR THOSE OF YOU IN THE AUDIENCE TONIGHT WE HAVE SOME BUSINESS CARDS THAT EXPLAIN HOW TO DO THAT AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE SITTING AT THE BACK TABLE IF YOU WANT TO GRAB ONE ON YOUR WAY OUT. SO IF YOU SIGN UP FOR THAT, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF LISTS YOU CAN BE ON. BUT ONE OF THEM IS PLANNING COMMISSION LIST. THERE'S A CITY COUNCIL LIST AND THAT WILL GIVE YOU EMAILS SAYING WHAT'S ON FUTURE AGENDAS SO YOU'LL BE MORE INFORMED AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO THAT. THAT'S A THAT IS A RESOURCE I THINK I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE US TO FIGURE OUT IF THERE'S OTHER WAYS BECAUSE WHAT I WHAT I KNOW ABOUT BECAUSE I'M ON SEVERAL OF THOSE MYSELF THAT IS HELPFUL WHEN THE AGENDA IS POSTED WHICH SIX DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING AND I THINK WHAT WE WHAT WE HEARD TONIGHT WAS A DESIRE TO MAYBE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A LEAD TIME ON THAT. AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER AVENUES THEY MIGHT BE OR IF STAFF CAN AT LEAST FOR SPECIFICALLY TO HELP LEAST THE FOLKS WHO HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST TONIGHT IF WE CAN GATHER SOME ADDRESSES I DON'T WHAT THE SOLUTION IS E SUBSCRIBE IS A GOOD TOOL BUT WHAT I THINK WE HEARD WAS MORE ELECTRONIC AVAILABILITY SOONER FOR DIFFERENT PHASES OF THE PROCESS. AND THE OTHER ONE AGAIN TYPICALLY WE DON'T DO THE Q&A PART BUT I DID HEAR THE QUESTION ABOUT YOU KNOW, ACQUISITION OF MATERIALS AND I AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD BUT I THINK IF I WAS AN APPLICANT I WOULD NOT EXPEND DOLLARS AND RESOURCES FOR A PROJECT THAT WAS NOT APPROVED AND SO I THINK THAT MAY BE THE THE PERCEPTION OF ONE POINTING TO THE OTHER IS WE DON'T HAVE THE INFLUENCE OF THAT. BUT I WOULD GUESS THAT AN APPLICANT WOULD NOT WANT TO EXPEND RESOURCES WITHOUT AN APPROVAL. SO AGAIN, I DON'T I DON'T MEAN TO BE DISMISSIVE OF ANYONE AT TIME DURING A PUBLIC HEARING BUT THAT'S JUST THE PROCESS THAT WE WE HAVE A DISCUSSION OR ENTERTAIN A MOTION CONTINUANCE. QUESTIONER GOLSON THANK YOU, CHAIR. IF I MAY, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION PLEASE. I MOVE TO INDEFINITELY CONTINUE REVIEW OF FINAL SITE AND BUILDING PLANS FOR STADIUM IMPROVEMENTS AT JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL. SECOND, THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND TO INDEFINITELY CONTINUE THE APPLICATION AT JEFFERSON HIGH SCHOOL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED THE MOTION PASSES. THE THIRD ITEM IS A SORRY THERE'S THE SAME REQUEST FOR CONTINUANCE FOR FINAL SITE AND BUILDING PLANS AT KENNEDY SCHOOL KENNEDY STADIUM. AGAIN, AS WITH THE FIRST ITEM THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD OPEN. SO IF THERE'S ANYONE IN THE CHAMBERS WHO WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY ON THE APPLICATION AT KENNEDY THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN . IT'S OKAY IF YOU IF YOU'RE CERTAINLY WELCOME AT THE TIME TO ADD MORE OTHERWISE I'M I I THOUGHT YOU HAD COMNED THE TWO SCHOOLS FOR CONVENIENCE. YOUR ASTHMA IS STILL RELEVANT . OKAY. ANYWAY, I WILL SAY THAT ONE OF THE FORMER SPEAKERS BROUGHT UP THE IDEA OF TRAFFIC SAFETY AND. THAT IS STILL AN ISSUE BECAUSE THE OLD TALK APPEARS FOUR LANE HIGHWAY MERGED WITH 98TH STREET AT THE POINT IN FRONT OF HIGH THERE IS A DAYCARE CENTER ON THE NORTHEAST NORTH YEAH THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE SCHOOL IS GETS A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND THEN THE NEW CROSSWALKF THEYUT IT IN AT STEVENS AVENUE WILL STILL SEE EVEN MORE TRAFFIC PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC GOING DOWN THERE. SO THERE ARE SAFETY ISSUES THAT ARE INVOLVED IN KEEPING EVERYONE SAFE NOT JUST THE PEDESTRIANS AND RESIDENTS BUT ALSO THE TRAFFIC AS IT'S GOING BY THERE. THAT'S AN ONGOING ISSUE WITH OR WITHOUT THE HIGH SCHOOL THERE BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC COMING CUTTING THROUGH THAT LITTLE ZONE BETWEEN THE TWO HIGHWAYS. THAT BEING SAID, WHEN THEY DO THE NOISE STUDY THEY'RE NOT DOING IS COMPOUNDING THE NOISE STUDY SO THEY DON'T KNOW IN ADDITION TO THE BAND AND THE MUSIC FROM THE BAND THE STADIUM NOISE THE SPEAKER NOISE ALL OF THAT IS ALSO COMPOUNDED WITH THE TRAFFIC NOISE FROM OLD CHICOPEE ROAD FOR A NOW BECAUSE THAT'S NOT PRODUCED BY THE SCHOOL. THAT'S NOT TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THE NOISE STUDY. SO THE NOISE STUDY ONLY TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE AMOUNT OF NOISE COMING OFF OF THE FOOTBALL FIELD MINUS WHATEVER MIGHT REACH MYOUSE WHICH IS SEMI-TRACTOR TRUCKS AND CARS GOING BOTH DIRECTIONS. SO IN THAT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THERE ARE THERE'S A LOT OF SENIORS AND CHILDREN ALONG THAT INTERSECTION AND THE NOISE ISN'T GOING TO ACCOUNT FOR WHAT IT DOES TO PEOPLE LIVING THERE BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT THE SCHOOL IS STUDYING FOR THIS NOISE WAIVER THEY GET IT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU PROBABLY WON'T HEAR ABOUT UNLESS YOU LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT THE NOISE WAIVER, THE THE SAFETY ISSUES FOR ON STREET PARKING FROM STUDENTS CROSSING OVER OLD CHALK AP ROAD AT NIGHT IS A BIG ISSUE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE HANDLED WITH THAT. AGAIN, JUST TO REITERATE, THERE'S SOME LOCATIONS IF THEY DON'T CHOOSE TO STAY AT LINCOLN HIGH AND I KNOW THAT WAS AN ORIGINAL PROPOSAL FROM THE ARCHITECT WAS JUST USING ONE STADIUM AND MAKING IT REALLY RATHER THAN TWO SMALLER STADIUMS BUT. THERE'S ALSO SPACE IN THE SOUTH LOOP NEAR THE MALL OF AMERICA THAT HAS REALLY BIG OPEN FIELDS AND POTENTIAL THAT THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON ALREADY OWNS AND WOULD BE PERFECTLY SUITED FOR NIGHT GAMES AND FOR RENTING IT OUT BEYOND THAT TO OTHER PLAYERS PEOPLE THANK YOU THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE CHAMBER WHO'D LIKE TO PROVIDE ON THIS ITEM ? HI AGAIN. SORRY I HATE PUBLIC SPEAKING SO THIS IS REALLY FUN FOR ME BUT I WANTED TO SAY IN CASE IT'S NOTED SEPARATELY BETWEEN THE TWO STADIUMS AS WE WERE SPEAKING ABOUT THEM AS IF THEY WERE COMBINED BEFORE SO I WANTED IT DULY NOTED I GUESS ONE FOR EACH THAT THE STADIUM LOCATIONS NINE MILE CREEK I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN CLEARLY VIEWED SO WHEN I SPOKE WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY BOARD ABOUT THIS I ASKED ABOUT COMBINED IMPACT FOOTPRINT WHICH IS SOMETHING I GUESS IS A HOT TOPIC FOR THEM RIGHT NOW. SO THERE'S A LOT OF RESEARCH AND FOCUS BEING PAID TO COMBINED PROJECT IMPRINTS LIKE THAT. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL FOR TWO GAMES TO BE HELD ON A FRIDAY NIGHT WITH OF THEM HAVING 490 FOOT POLES OF LIGHTS AND AT THE DOES A POOL OF AROUND 120 250 WHICH IS WHAT A CHEERING SPORTS CROWD IS LIKE AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE FACT THAT 85 IS CONSIDERED DAMAGING TO HEARING THEN THAT'S QUITE A LOT FURTHER. IT ALSO ONLY FALLS OFF AT ABOUT I THINK IT'S LIKE SIX DECIBELS EVERY FEW FEET SO THAT'S POTENTIAL TO BE WELL OVER 60 IN MY LIVING ROOM OR PEOPLE'S LIVING ROOMS AND THEN FOR THE BIRDS AND ANIMALS THAT TRYING TO PASS THROUGH THERE THAT IS IN MANY SHOWING TO BE DETRIMENTAL TO THEM THERE ARE SOME SNOW GEESE WHO IF THEY HAVE THE NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THEIR STOPOVER GROUNDS WHICH WILL BE WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED ON THE FLYWAY AN AREA WHERE THEY STOP TO AND FEED IF A SNOW GOOSE IN SOME CASES IS DISRUPTED DURING THAT STOPOVER THEY WILL NOT BREED AT ALL SEASON WHEN THEY REACH THEIR FINAL DESTINATION. SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT FROM A COMBINED IMPACT STANDPOINT I JUST HAVE SO CONCERNS ABOUT THAT SO I WOULD JUST LOVE TO SEE AGAIN AND I KNOW THE APPLICANT WAS ONLINE AND IF HE'S STILL ONLINE JUST ANY WAY THAT WE COULD WORK WITH THE MPCA THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY BOARD OR SHOULD WE NEED TO GET A PETITION TO DO SO WOULD BE GREAT TO KNOW. THANKS. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE ONLINE SINCE WE LAST CHECKED ? NO. TERRY ROHMAN LET ME CHECK IN WITH KENNETH ENNIS IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THIS ITEM I WANT YOU NOW THANK YOU HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENT AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE IN THE CHAMBERS WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YEAH. DR. HERZOG, ONE LAST THING THIS IS RECORDED. I'VE REACHED OUT TO MY COUNCILMEMBER SEAN NELSON. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING BY EMAIL OR PHONE SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DO ABOUT THAT. WE JUST HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND NOT EVEN RESPONDING BACK. SO THAT'S KIND OF THAT NOBODY'S RESPONDING EVERYBODY ELSE'S RESPONSIBLE THING I WAS TALKING ABOUT SO I JUST WANT TO RECORD THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO COMMUNICATE WITH SEAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK SEEING THEM I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. OH SORRY. I GUESS WE HAVE I GUESS I JUST HAVE A QUESTION WHAT ARE THE GOALS OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH BY BUILDING LINCOLN ? I'M SORRY. EITHER THE JEFFERSON OR THE KENNEDY HIGH SCHOOL. I HAVEN'T FOUND IN WHICH THE GOALS HAVE BEEN STATED IN A WAY TO SHOW THE GOOD OF BLOOMINGTON SO ARE YOU ARE YOU ABLE TO TELL US WHAT I MEAN? I'M GUESSING THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE WE'RE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ISSUE. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US WHY IT'S BEING DONE ? ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK I MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC SO MOVED ALL RIGHT WE LET MOTION A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED AND AGAIN ON THIS ONE WE THERE'S A REQUEST FOR AN INDEFINITE CONTINUE CONTUANC IOULD AIN JUST OFFER INFORMATION ABOUT THE SAME FEEDBACK I GAVE THE APPLICANT ON THE FIRST ONE. IT WOULD APPLY TO THIS AND YOU KNOW WHAT WE HEARD IN THE I DID HEAR A QUESTION ABOUT GOALS AND THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT AND I WAS AGAIN FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE WATCHING OR IN PERSON THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS A FAIRLY NARROW ROLE WHEN APPLICATIONS COME TO US OUR JOB IS TO LOOK AND SAY DO THEY OR DO THEY NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT SPECIFIC APPLICATION FOR THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION? OUR JOB IS NOT TO HAVE AN OPINION ON WHETHER SOMETHING IS A GOOD IDEA OR A BAD IDEA. OUR JOB IS TO SAY IT DOES DOES NOT MEET THE TEST OTHER BODIES HAVE A DIFFERENT DEGREE OF DISCRETION BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES NOT. SO QUESTIONS ABOUT GOALS AND THE MERITS OF THE PROJECT I WOULD ENCOURAGE FOLKS TO START WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND BECAUSE AGAIN THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE PURVIEW THIS BODY. YES. MR.. ALBRECHT THANK CHAIR. ONE THING THAT I DO WANT TO MENTION ALSO IS WHEN THIS DOES COME BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR FOR FOLKS WHO ARE HERE AND LISTENING NOW THAT THAT ENTIRE APPLICATION COMES BACK BEFORE US NOT JUST THE NOISE STUDY AND PTA GUIDANCE AND SO OUR ROLE IS TO LOOK AT THE ENTIRE APPLICATION YET AGAIN ALL PARTS OF ITTARTG FROMHE VERY BEGINNING. SO IT'S I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE NOISE STUDY OR THE PC GUIDANCE COMING TO THE COMMISSION. IT'S THE ENTIRE APPLICATION THAT WE WILL BE LOOKING AT AGAIN. THANK YOU. AND THE COMMISSION THEN MAKES A RECOMMENDATION UP OR DOWN TO THE PLANT OR TO THE CITY COUNCIL WHO. IS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY ON THIS ISSUE AGAIN, JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A SORRY THE FINAL DECISION SUBJECT TO APPEAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL SORRY. THIS IS YOU HAVE MY CHEAT SHEET BUT IT'S NOT A CHEAT SHEET BECAUSE IT'S NOT A DECISION TONIGHT. BUT THERE IS A THERE ARE MULTIPLE STEPS AVAILABLE TO THE PROCESS. THANK YOU FOR THE CORRECTION. I ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR A MOTION COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT THANK YOU CHAIR I MOVE TO INDEFINITELY CONTINUE REVIEW OF FINAL SITE AND BUILDING PLANS FOR STADIUM IMPROVEMENTS AT KENNEDY HIGH SCHOOL SECOND THANK YOU WITH A MOTION ON THE SECOND FOR INDEFINITE CONTINUANCE AND ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED THE ITEM THE CONTINUANCE PASSES AND AGAIN I WANT THANK PEOPLE FOR THEIR ENGAGEMENT AND FOR THEIR SHARING WITH US AS WE IN THIS GROUP SAY MANY TIMES THERE ARE BIG THINGS THAT COME BEFORE US SOMETIMES FOR DECISIONS, SOMETIMES RECOMMENDATIONS AND AND IT'S CRICKETS. SO I WILL TAKE A ROOM OF PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN ENGAGED IN THE NIGHT ITEM NUMBER FOUR IS A STUDY ITEM IT IS OUR PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION OF THE 2024 WORK PLAN. WE CAN TAKE A SHORT PAUSE IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO TO YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY FOR THE RIVETING OF THE WORK PLAN BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO YOU KNOW THIS WAS A THIS WAS SOMETHING WE TALKED ABOUT AT A PREVIOUS MEETING DURING A OUR POLICY AND ISSUES UPDATE ABOUT HOW IN LEAST IN MY TIME WE USUALLY GET A WORKPLAN IN DECEMBER US TO TAKE ACTION ON AND AFTER LEARNING THIS LAST YEAR DURING SOME OF OUR BOARD AND COMMISSION WORK ABOUT HOW SOME OF THE OTHER BOARDS DEVELOP WORK, I THINK SEVERAL OF US ASKED IF WE COULD HAVE A CONVERSATION STAFF AS THEY'RE DEVELOPING IT SO THAT WHEN IT COMES LATER IN DECEMBER IT'S THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN IT OR WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP SHAPE IT IN SOME WAY. SO WITH THAT SENIOR PLANNER JOHNSON WILL WALK US THROUGH WHAT WE SHOULD KNOW BEFORE WE HAVE A DIALOG. YEAH. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN ROHMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. GOOD TO SEE YOU THIS YOU FRAM IT UP VERY WELL. YOU YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY OUR PROCESS HAS STARTED A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE YEAR BUT. I THINK IT WOULD BE A PROCESS IMPROVEMENT TO VISIT WITH YOU EARLIER ON IN ORDER TO GAIN YOUR FEEDBACK AND INITIAL REACTION TO SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT STAFF WORKING ON AND FOR SEE BEING I COME IN BEFORE YOU TO KIND OF FOCUS OUR ATTENTION IN 2024 SO KIND OF FRAMING THIS UP I WILL SHARE A COUPLE SLIDES JUST TO KIND OF PROVIDE BACKGROUND ON THIS HANDOUT THAT WE PROVIDED YOU IN OUR PACKET. I WILL NOTE THAT THE HANDOUT BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS DOES REFLECT AN UPDATED FROM THE ONE THAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL PACKET SO I WOULD WE DID RERUN THE PACKETS OF THE NEW VERSION IS IN THE CURRENT PACKET BUT FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS EVENING'S DISCUSSION I WOULD FOCUS ON UTILIZING THIS HANDOUT AND WE DO HAVE SOME VERSIONS OF IT OVER THE TABLE TOO IF ANYONE WANTS TO FOLLOW ALONG IN TERMS OF HOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION WORKPLAN COMES TOGETHER. SO JUST A POINT OF PROCESS AND I KNOW MAN OYOU ARE THE BOARD FOR A FEW YEARS NOW CERTAINLY BENEFIT OUR NEWEST MEMBER BUT IN TERMS OF HOW IT COMES TOGETHER SO TYPICALLY AS YOU NOTED JERRY ROHMAN WOULD COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION DECEMBER AND CITY COUNCIL AND BE ADOPTED IN JANUARY BUT THERE IS A THERE IS AN PROCESS THAT OCCURS PRIOR TO THAT SO THROUGH BASICALLY MAY THROUGH OCTOBER OF THE YEAR PRECEDING THE WORKPLAN YEAR THAT WILL FOCUS ON IT'S KIND OF A WIDE RANGING TIME FOR STAFF FROM ALL DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK AND ONGOING BRAINSTORMING ABOUT PROJECTS THAT ARE UPCOMING. SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE STIMULATED FROM EXTERNAL FORCES LIKE YOU KNOW, LEGAL CASE LAW OR OTHER THINGS HAPPENING IN KIND OF REAL ESTATE TRENDS OR YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS THAT AFFECT PLANNING. SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE GENERATED OPPORTUNITIES FOR COLLABORATION AMONG DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY. SO DURING THAT EARLY PART IN THE PROCESS REALLY IT JUST BECOMES KIND OF AN OPEN VENUE FOR STAFF TO SUBMIT PROJECTS FOR US TO TO BRAINSTORM ON ONCE WE HAVE THAT OF PROJECTS WE START TO DO A PRIORITIZATION PROCESS AND WHAT IN ORDER TO INFORM HOW MANY PROJECTS WE THINK CAN BE ADDED TO THE WORK PLAN PART OF THAT PART OF THE PROCESS ALSO INVOLVES EVALUATING ALL OF THE CARRYOVER PROJECTS WE ANTICIPATE THINGS THAT WE KNOW ARE GOING TO BE REQUIRED FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR DUE TO A VARIETY OF CIRCUMSTANCES. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT KIND OF FORMULATES THIS TYPE THIS CATEGORY ON YOUR LIST AS THE NON-DISCRETIONARY ITEMS OR WHAT WE ORIGINALLY CALLED THE MANDATORY BUT THESE ARE THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT WE WE FEEL JUST AS THE NATURE OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO FORWARD AS PART THE WORK PLAN THAT LEAVES KIND OF A BUCKET OF STAFF CAPACITY AND WE TRY AND WE DO OUR BEST. IT'S NOT A PERFECT SCIENCE BUT WE DO OUR BEST TO TRY AND DETERMINE HOW MANY HOURS OF STAFF TIME IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO THOSE PROJECTS AND WHAT THAT GETS US TO IS HOW MUCH REMAINING STAFF CAPACITY DO WE DO WE HAVE TO ADD NEW NEW WORK FOR THE FOLLOWING YEAR AND THAT GETS US TO THE PRIORITIZATION EXERCISE THIS YEAR IN PARTICULAR WE DID WE ADOPTED A NEW PROCESS. WE HAD A FACILITATED SESSION AMONG PLANNING STAFF OF OUR BRAINSTORMED LIST AND WE ACTUALLY DID A PROJECT IMPACT SCORING EXERCISE AMONG THE PLANNING STAFF AND SO THAT WAS A NEW FEATURE TO THIS YEAR'S WORK PLAN AND I'M THE HAND OUT BEFORE YOU THE PROJECTS THAT SCORED THE HIGHEST FOR WHAT WE SEE AS YOU KNOW THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING DIVISION THOSE WERE THE THE THE BRAINSTORMED PROJECTS THAT WE FELT HAD THE GREATEST IMPACT HAD THE MOST URGENCY FOR CURRENT PLANNING ISSUES THAT KIND WE'RE FACING . SO JUST A POINT ABOUT THAT ONCE WE GET AT A LIST OF RECOMMENDED PROJECTS AND AGAIN THIS IS JUST THE RECOMMENDATION IS BEING PUT FORTH BY THE PLANNING DIVISION WE CIRCULATE THAT DRAFT AMONG ALL THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY INCLUDING OUR SUSTAINABILITY STAFF, OUR EQUITY STAFF, VARIOUS LEADERS AMONG OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND DIVISIONS BUT ALSO HEAVY EMPHASIS ON COMMITTEE DEVELOPMENT LEADERS AS WELL. AND SO THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE AS WELL THAT GETS US TO WHERE WE ARE THIS EVENING AT THE END OF NOVEMBER HERE TRYING TO SOLICIT YOUR PRELIMINARY REVIEW OUR LIST AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON THE PROJECTS THAT YOU THINK ARE PRESSING AND THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL WANT TO SEE NEXT YEAR AS WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS TO PRESENT YOU A FORMAL VERSION OF THIS FOR RECOMMENDATION WE'LL CERTAINLY TAKE YOUR INPUT TONIGHT AND THE DRAFT THAT GOES FORWARD WILL REFLECT THAT INPUT AND THEN EVENTUALLY AND THIS KIND OF GETS TO MAYBE THIS IS THE POINT WHERE I SHOULD HAVE PROBABLY STARTED THAT AS THE CITY'S ADVISORY BOARD ON LAND USE TRANSPORTATION MATTERS REQUIRED TO ADOPT A WORK PLAN ON AN ANNUAL BASIS THAT'S A REQUIREMENT IN THE CITY CODE AND SO THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE ULTIMATE AUTHORITY WHO ADOPTS THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S WORK PLAN. SO TYPICALLY WE WOULD DO THAT AT THE SECOND OR SO MEETING IN JANUARY DEPENDING ON WHAT'S IN THEIR EARLY AGENDAS. SO HOPEFULLY THAT PROVIDES A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THE PROCESS SO AGAIN REFERENCING THIS LIST I HAVE BEFORE SO WE BROKE OUT THESE PROJECTS IN TWO BUCKETS. THE FIRST BUCKET THAT I'LL JUST MENTION IS THE THE THE NON WHAT WE VIEW AS THE NON-DISCRETIONARY PROJECTS BUCKET AND THE REASON AND LET ME JUST FOR A SECOND DESCRIBE WHY WE DON'T THINK WHY WE THINK IT'S NON-DISCRETIONARY SO WHAT THIS LIST OF PROJECTS IS CARRYOVER PROJECTS FROM THE 2023 WORK PLAN THAT ARE ALL FOR THE MOST PART THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN A AMOUNT OF WORK COMPLETED ON THESE PROJECTS AND IN PROGRESS THERE IS A FEW OTHER PROJECTS THAT WERE TO THE PLANNING DIVISIONS, RESPONSIBILITIES AND SCOPE OF WORK FOR KIND OF OUTSIDE REASONS FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM RECREATIONAL CANNABIS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT NATIVE LANDSCAPING KNOW WE ALSO SUPPORT THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION IN SOME OF THE WORK DO OF COURSE THE PUBLIC WORKS STAFF IS THEIR PRIMARY STAFF SUPPORT BUT WE DO PLAN ON THESE COLLABORATIONS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR SO THOSE ARE EXAMPLES OF PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PROGRESS AND THEN WE HAVE THE COUNCIL DEFERRED PROJECT. SO TWO PROJECTS ON THIS LIST IF YOU RECALL WERE ON YOUR 2023 WORK PLAN. ULTIMATELY THE CITY COUNCIL DECIDED DEFER THOSE PROJECTS TO 2024 AND THAT WAS THE SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT PLAN UPDATE AND THE PICKUP WINDOW DRIVE THRU STANDARDS PROJECT AND SO THAT'S THE COUNCIL DEFERRED CATEGORY. AND THEN IN TERMS THE CATEGORY OF OTHERWISE REQUIRED THIS GETS TO MOSTLY PROJECTS THAT WE PERCEIVE AS URGENT DUE TO PENDING OR RECENT LEGAL MATTERS. IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE THE PARK DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS THERE IS A PRETTY THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT CASE IN THE STATE MINNESOTA ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. SO WE ALL CONCUR AS STAFF THAT IT'S URGENT AND IMPORTANT WE REVIEW THAT FOR THE CITY'S PARK DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS. SO IF IT'S OKAY I DON'T KNOW MAYBE I DON'T WANT TO BE TOO REDUNDANT BUT I CAN JUST READ OFF THIS LIST HERE QUICKLY IN TERMS OF NON-DISCRETIONARY PROJECTS SO YOU HAVE THE LYNDALE REZONINGS PART TWO THIS OF COURSE CAME OUT OF THE LANDFILL RETROFIT THE SAN CODE UPDATE NEARING COMPLETION MAYBE GLEN HAVE AN UPDATE ABOUT THAT PROCESS AT THE AT THE LAST ITEM AGENDA ITEM THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING STUDY THE ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS REVIEW THE IRIS ONE ZONING DISTRICT STUDY THE SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT PLAN UPDATE THE TOOLKIT FOR ASIAN NODES SHORT TERM RENTAL REGULATIONS SRO STANDARDS REVIEW THOSE ARE SINGLE ROOM OCCUPANCY THE PARK DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS REVIEW AS I MENTIONED NATIVE LANDSCAPING UPDATES, RECREATIONAL CANNABIS AMENDMENTS, PICK UP WINDOW STANDARDS THE ZONING CODE REORGANIZATION THE ANNUAL MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES THE INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN THAT'S ALMOST NEARING COMPLETION. WELL THE AMERICAN BOULEVARD TRANSIT WAY PROJECT TRACT JUST GENERAL TRANSPORTATION SUPPORT AND I SHOULD ADD TO THAT THERE'S ANOTHER CATEGORY OF PROJECTS THAT ARE SUPPORT DEPARTMENTS ON A TYPICALLY ANNUAL BASIS TRANSPORTATION STUDIES BEING THE IMPORTANT OF THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE TYPICALLY LED BY OUR ENGINEERING AND PUBLIC WORKS STAFF. BUT PLANNING PLAYS AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN SUPPORTING THAT WORK. THE RIVERVIEW CORRIDOR TRANSIT WAY PROJECT THAT CONTINUES AND PLANNING STAFF DO SUPPORT THAT AS WELL AT A STAFF LEVEL AND THEN VARIOUS PORT AUTHORITY INITIATIVES THE PORT AUTHORITY IS DOING A FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN NEXT YEAR AND SO WE ANTICIPATE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WORK AND PROJECTS THAT COME OUT OF THAT THE PLANNING STAFF WILL BE INVOLVED IN . LAST THING I'LL SAY ABOUT THIS LIST IS THAT IT'S WE CALCULATE AND I'VE WHIFFED ON A FEW PROJECTS IN THE PAST IN TERMS OF HOW MANY HOURS ARE GOING TO TAKE I'LL OWN UP TO THAT BUT IT'S AN IMPERFECT SCIENCE BUT WE DO OUR BEST TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH THESE PROJECTS ARE GOING TO TAKE AND THE THIS THIS HOURLY RATE IT BASICALLY APPROXIMATELY REFLECTS 75% ISH OF THE AMOUNT OF LONG RANGE PLANNING HOURS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR BANK OF STAFF CAPACITY. SO MOVING ON FROM THAT LIST, THIS GETS US TO MORE OF THE ITEMS THAT WE FEEL ARE DISCRETIONARY AND THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT WERE SUBMITTED FROM A BRAINSTORMING AND THE ONES THAT STAFF WENT THROUGH A SCORING AND FACILITATION EXERCISE. SO THE ONES THAT WERE THAT SCORED THE HIGHEST AND I KNOW THAT WE DID NOT PROVIDE A DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF THESE PROJECTS SO I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT TONIGHT. IF ANYONE HAS ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS JUST ON THE BASIS OF THESE MORE GENERAL DESCRIPTIONS OF WHAT THESE PROJECTS ARE, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. BUT THE OS THAT SCORED THE HIGHEST IN THIS DISCRETIONARY CATEGORY AORDING TO THE STAFF IMPACT SCORING WAS MORE ADMI STREAMLINE AROVALS VIEW OF LTIFILY SIDENTIAL STANDARDS, REFIN PARKING FLEXIBILITYROCESS DODE OFFICE CONVERSION STUDY AND EQUITY REVIEW OF THE ZONING CODE AND A DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION FEE STUDY SO THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT STAFF ABSENT OTHER ABSENT FEEDBACK FROM OTHER BODIES AND EXTERNAL PARTIES THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND BRINGING FORWARD CERTAINLY. I CAN DISCUSS THAT AND GO FROM THERE. THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT DID NOT SCORE AS HIGH THROUGH THIS PROCESS INCLUDED AN INDUSTRIAL USE MIX EVALUATION AND THAT WAS KIND OF STIMULATED FOR SOME DISCUSSION AT THE COUNCIL LEVEL CODE AT IT FOR TECHNICAL LANGUAGE TEMPORARY STANDARDS AND FARM POULTRY AND ANIMAL AMENDMENTS FOR DUCKS. WE'VE RECEIVED SOME FEEDBACK THAT FOLKS WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND OPPORTUNITIES FOR DUCKS IN BACKYARDS IN ADDITION TO CHICKENS. SO THESE ARE THE PROJECTS THAT ACCORDING TO OUR SCORING DID NOT SCORE AS WELL BUT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD PROVIDE YOU THOSE THE LIST EVERYTHING THAT WAS KIND OF UP FOR CONSIDERATION IF YOU WILL. SO WITH THAT AND AGAIN I CAN PROVIDE MORE A BETTER EXPLANATION ON SOME OF THE PROJECTS OR FOR THAT MATTER SOME OF THE NON-DISCRETIONARY EARLY ONES THAT YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN AND GLEN AND AND THE REST OF THE STAFF CERTAINLY WELCOME YOUR FEEDBACK ON OTHER PROJECTS TO ADD AS WELL THAT MIGHT BE TOP OF MIND FOR YOU SO. I'VE SPOKEN ENOUGH AND THIS IS YOUR WORKPLAN. THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT'S GONE ON THAT IT'S HELPFUL TO UNDERSTAND OF THE THINKING THIS IS A STUDY ITEM SO IT'S OUR JOB IS TO OFFER ANY FEEDBACK ALSO IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE WOULD LIKE THE STAFF TO THINK ABOUT HOW THEY MIGHT FIT INTO THIS PLAN IF IT MIGHT BUMP SOME DISCRETIONARY THINGS OR WHATEVER THAT MAY BE . I'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT. THANK YOU, CHAIR MR. JOHNSON. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION RELATED TO THEM BOULEVARD TRANSIT WAY STUDY I KNOW THAT THIS CREEPED TO THE FRONT TOP OF OUR LIST GIVEN THAT THE MET COUNCIL AND METRO TRANSIT LOOKING AT ELIMINATION OF ROUTES AND BUS LINES AROUND AMERICAN BOULEVARD WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THAT? DOES THAT NEED TO BE PUSHED EVEN FORWARD OR ARE WE KIND OF ARE WE WORKING ALONGSIDE? WHAT'S THE DECISIONS THAT ARE BEING MADE OVER THERE OR MY ON THAT WAS IF THAT COUNCIL IS SIGNALED THAT WE'RE NO LONGER THEIR PRIORITY THIS STILL A PRIORITY. RIGHT. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN. COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT YEAH. SO THE STATUS OF THE AMERICAN BOULEVARD TRANSIT WAY STUDY IS THAT IN THE NEW TRANSPORTATION PLAN THEY STILL HAVE THE AMERICAN BOULEVARD LISTED IN THE SPECIFIC CATEGORY. IT DIDN'T FALL OUT OF THE PLAN BUT EVENTUALLY IF THE CITY IT WAS KEPT THE PLAN BASICALLY CONTINGENT UPON THE CITY PERFORMING THIS STUDY. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A MATTER THAT IF IT DOESN'T GET COMPLETED BY SAY JUNE OR SEPTEMBER OR JANUARY OF 25 THAT THE MET COUNCIL WOULD TAKE THAT ACTION OF REMOVING IT ALTOGETHER AS A POTENTIAL BUS RAPID TRANSIT FACILITY. BUT IT'S SOMETHING THE CITY DOES NEED TO PERFORM AND UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS JUST NOT ENOUGH CAPACITY ON THE ENGINEERING SIDE OF THE ORGANIZATION TO LEAD THAT THIS YEAR AND SO THAT'S HENCE WHY IT'S CARRIED OVER BUT I DON'T PERCEIVE AS A THREAT CURRENTLY TO TO LOSE THAT STATUS . COMMISSIONER GOLDSON THANK YOU CHAIR. I THINK LOOKING AT JUST SOME OF THE DISCRETIONARY PROJECTS AND THE IMPACT OF SOME OF THESE ITEMS ON US AS A BODY TO REALLY CAME UP AS MY PRIORITIES I WOULD I WOULD LOVE THE EQUITY REVIEW OF ZONING CODE . I THINK WE'VE GOT A LOT OPPORTUNITY AS OUR POPULATION SHIFTS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT IT FROM AN EQUITABLE PERSPECTIVE. THE OTHER PIECE THAT I REALLY THINK AND THIS COMES UP ON A LOT OF APPLICATIONS IS THE REFINED PARKING FLEXIBILITY PROCESS. I THINK THAT AND I JOKINGLY CALL US SOMETIMES THE PARKING COMMISSION BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKING MORE THAN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE TRANSFORMATION OF A SPACE OR A DEVELOPMENT AND SO I, I LOVE THE IDEA OF LET'S LET'S BE MORE FLEXIBLE BUT PUT SOME GUARDRAILS UP AROUND THAT FLEXIBILITY AND WHAT DOES GOOD LOOK LIKE I THINK THAT WOULD BE HAVE A LOT OF GOOD IMPACTS IF WE WORK ON IT NOW IN THE NEXT YOU KNOW 369 YEARS FOR FOR FUTURE COMMISSIONERS I KNOW ROLLING OFF IN JUNE OR JULY REMEMBER BUT THAT ONE I THINK WOULD HAVE HELPED ME IN MY FIVE AND A HALF YEARS PREVIOUSLY IF IT WAS IN PLACE . YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT COMMISSIONER BROOKLYN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MR. JOHNSON I KNOW I WASN'T SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT IT BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE LIST THAT WAS PROVIDED IN OUR PACKET INITIALLY AND THAT WAS THE MINNESOTA RIVER CONNECTIONS, THE TRAIL CONNECTIONS. CAN YOU SPEAK MORE ABOUT THAT AND IT DROPPED OFF THE LIST. YEAH. CHAIRWOMAN COMMISSIONER CURTIN, THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT BECAUSE I'D LOVE TO TALK ABOUT IT AND I HAD THE FORTUNATELY I HAD BENEFIT TO CONNECT WITH RENEE CLARKE IN PARKS AND REC PRIOR TO TONIGHT AND SO THAT WAS REALLY HELPFUL TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THERE'S A FEW THINGS GOING WITH THE MINNESOTA RIVER VALLEY TRAIL CONNECTIONS COMPONENT ONE THAT PROJECT WAS SHIFTED IN THE CFP BACK A COUPLE YEARS TO 2027 SO THAT'S ONE COMPONENT OF IT ANOTHER COMPONENT OF IT THAT'S POSITIVE IS THAT THERE IS CURRENTLY TRAILHEAD PROJECT HAPPENING DOWN AT LYNDALE NEXT YEAR. JULIE LONG IS VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT IT. I THINK SHE MIGHT HAVE BEEN ON THE HORN SO IF THERE'S DETAILED QUESTIONS ABOUT IT SHE CAN PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION. BUT AND I BELIEVE ANOTHER STRETCH OF THE MINNESOTA STATE TRAIL IS IN THE FEDERAL INFRASTRUCTURE BILL AND SO THE CONSTRUCTION THAT WILL ALSO GO FORWARD IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS SO THEY STILL HAVE TO SECURE PERMITTING AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS BUT IN SPEAKING WITH RENEE CLARKE IN PARKS AND REC, I THINK THIS PRESENTS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO KIND OF PAUSE ON THIS WORK UNTIL WE KNOW THE IMPACT OF EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE INCLUDED. I SHOULD ALSO ADD THE MOYER PROJECT THAT WAS PART THE CITY'S REFERENDUM THAT WILL ULTIMATELY CONNECT INTO I BELIEVE INTO THE STATE TRAIL. AND SO THESE MORE OPPORTUNITIES THAT HAVE TO BE KIND OF CONSIDERED THOUGHTFULLY AND IN SPEAKING WITH RENEE THEIR STAFF OVER THERE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE BEST TO DELAY THAT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME UNTIL WE KNOW HOW ALL OF THESE PIECES OF THE PUZZLE FIT TOGETHER IF THAT MAKES SENSE. IT DOES. THANK YOU, MR.. MR. CHAIR. THE REASON I'M INTERESTED IN THIS IS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN GETTING SOME DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS FOR WHAT I'LL JUST CALL MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL YOUR FIVE STORY PODIUM PROJECTS AND WE KEEP ASKING WHY ARE WE TALLER BUILDINGS IN BLOOMINGTON WHEN OUR NEIGHBORS IN INDIANA AND SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS ARE? AND THE ANSWER I KEEP GETTING FROM THE PORT AUTHORITY OTHERS IS THAT WE CAN'T COMMAND THE RENT IN BLOOMINGTON THAT OUR OUR COMPETING NEIGHBORHOODS ARE GETTING IN . I THINK ONE OF WHEN I LOOK AT US COMPARED TO EDINA AND JUST TAKE THE SOUTH LOOP FOR EXAMPLE ONE AREA WE CAN WIND IS THAT WE HAVE BEAUTIFUL NATURAL AREAS IN THE SOUTH DISTRICT EDINA DOESN'T HAVE THE HARD THING IS IS THAT YOU CAN'T GET TO THEM I LIVE IN SOUTH LOOP AND I HAVE TO WALK A MILE TO GET TO THE NEAR SORT OF VALLEY EVEN THOUGH I LIVE A BLOCK AWAY. AND SO ONE OF THE WAYS I THINK I'M NOT A DEVELOPER BUT ONE OF THE WAYS I THINK WE CAN GET HIGHER RENTS PARTICULARLY IN SOUTH LOOP IS BY MAKING IT EASIER TO GET TO THE MINNESOTA RIVER VALLEY. AND SO I KNOW I'VE SEEN PLANS IN OUR PARK MASTER PLAN I THINK IN WHATEVER THERE'S LIKE FIVE TRAILHEADS THAT ARE PLANNED IN THE SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT TO MAKE IT EASY TO GET SOUTH LOOP DOWN TO THE MINNESOTA RIVER VALLEY AND I'M NOT TOO INTERESTED IN DELAYING THAT. I THINK THAT'S A VERY QUICK WAY WE CAN RAISE RENTS, A GOOD WAY TO GET TALLER BUILDINGS IN HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. AND SO WHEN WE'RE KIND OF PUTTING YOUR HANDS UP SAYING WE JUST CAN'T GET THE RENT, WELL THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE CAN DO AS A CITY TO GET HIGHER RENTS AND I WOULD ASK THAT WE WE CAN WE PRIORITIZE THESE TRAIL CONNECTIONS? SURE. SURE. RAMONA, IF I CAN ADD ONE THING TO THAT TOO AND I KNOW AS I MENTIONED AND AS YOU KNOW THE SOUTH OF DISTRICT PLAN UPDATE ONE OF THE COMPONENTS ON THE WORK PLAN AS DIRECTED BY COUNCIL FROM LAST YEAR AND I WOULD STATE THAT THE TRAIL PIECE OF IT WOULD BE OPEN FOR ANALYSIS AND SUBSEQUENT ADDITIONS THROUGH THAT VEHICLE IF THAT MAKES SENSE ON THE TRAILS WILL ARE A COMPONENT OF THE SOUTH THE DISTRICT PLAN AND WOULD BE EVALUATED AND LOOKED AT AS PART OF THAT PROCESS SPECIFICALLY IN SOUTH LOOP. YEAH MR. CHAIR AND THIS IS WHY I KEEP HARPING ON THAT MORE THAN ANYTHING IS THAT WE NEED TO UPDATE THE SOUTH OF DISTRICT PLAN I THINK IN MY OPINION DEVELOPMENT WE'VE BEEN SEEING IN SOUTH LOOP IS FRANKLY A BIT DISAPPOINTING. THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SOUTH OF DISTRICT PLANS AS IT STANDS TODAY THAT'S 12 YEARS OLD OR WHATEVER IT IS WHAT WE'VE GOTTEN DOES LOOK LIKE WHAT WAS ENVISIONED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WERE EXPECTING MUCH HIGHER DENSITY OTHER BUILDINGS THAT LOOK LIKE HEALTHPARTNERS AND REFLECTIONS AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANTED TO SEE THERE AND WE'VE BEEN GETTING A LOT OF FIVE STORY ON PODIUM WOOD BUILDINGS AND I THINK ANYTHING WE CAN DO GETTING THESE TRAIL CONNECTIONS IN PLACE AND YOU KNOW, UPDATING SOUTH OF DISTRICT PLAN MAYBE MAYBE IT'S REZONING TO HIGHER OR HIGHER MINIMUMS ETC. TO GET THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING GET. MAYBE RAISING OUR STANDARDS A LITTLE BIT I THINK HAS A IMPACT THAT'S GOOD I THINK ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IT'LL BE AFTER MY TIME IS DONE BUT WE WILL HAVE SOME INTERIM USES THAT ARE COMING TO A TERMINATION AND I THINK AS THE PARTICIPATE THE ARGUMENT FOR THAT SHOULD BE PERMITTED AGAIN WILL BE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT IS THE NUMBERS DON'T PENCIL OUT AND LET'S NOT GIVE THAT LET'S NOT GET THAT ARGUMENT AIR OR ROOM FOR THE ONE THING THAT YOU KNOW I KNOW OUR FRIENDS OF ENGINEERING ON WITH BATED BREATH WAITING TO HEAR ME BRING IT UP. THE ONE THING THAT'S NOT ON HERE IS AN UPDATE OF STREETS POLICIES WHICH I IF MY MEMORY SERVES WERE ADOPTED IN 2002 SO THAT MEANS AS OF NEXT YEAR WILL BE 22 YEARS OLD AND SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE MAYBE SOME CONVERSATION WITH STAFF THERE ABOUT THEIR CAPACITY TO TAKE THAT PROJECT ON. I KNOW THAT AND AGAIN EVERYONE KNOWS MY THING IS SIDEWALKS BUT I AND I COULDN'T FIND THE EXACT THAT IT WAS IN ONE OF OUR SUPPLEMENTAL PIECES THAT WE HAD IN ONE OF OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS GROUPS LAST YEAR AROUND THIS TIME WHEN THE CITY MANAGER AND THE MAYOR WERE GOING THROUGH THE NEW STRATEGIC PLAN AND I REMEMBER BEING SUPER EXCITED BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS IN IN THERE TALKED ABOUT IMPROVING THE SIDEWALK NETWORK AND THE WALKABILITY OF OUR OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND WHAT I'VE DISCOVERED IN MY FIVE AND A HALF YEARS IN THIS BODY IS THAT WE'LL HAPPEN UNTIL OUR STREETS POLICY CHANGES TO THAT THAT IS A PRIORITY AND THAT THAT IS OUR OVERRIDING DECISION WHEN WE REBUILD THE STREETS. AND SO GIVEN THAT IS A PRIORITY IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN, I WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE AND THIS CAME UP WHEN WE HAD THE CONVERSATION ABOUT LIMITS AND OTHER TRAFFIC CALMING THINGS AND YOU KNOW A NEW STREETS POLICY THAT SAID OUR STREETS ARE GOING TO LOOK DIFFERENT NOT TOMORROW BUT WHEN WE REBUILD THIS STREET AND THIS STREET AND THIS STREET OVER THE NEXT DAY, AS I SAID BEFORE, EVERY STREET WE REBUILD IS 50 YEAR DECISION AND SO AGAIN THINGS WILL NOT CHANGE OVERNIGHT BUT THEY WON'T CHANGE AT ALL IF WE DON'T UPDATE THOSE. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT AT LEAST GIVEN SERIOUS CONSIDERATION FOR ADDITION AGAIN I KNOW IT'S BEYOND THE PLANNING DIVISION BUT OUR BODY IS AS THE THE BODY TASKED WITH TRANSPORTATION TRANSPORTATION OTHER THOUGHTS DID YOU GET WHAT YOU NEEDED FROM US TONIGHT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO THANK YOU FOR THE FEEDBACK ON THE DISCRETIONARY PROJECTS THAT WE PUT FORTH. WE THINK THEY ARE IMPACTFUL AND WE TAKE YOUR COMMENTS TO HEART IN TERMS OF WHAT OTHER AREAS TO PRIORITIZE AND WE'LL HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE BEFORE WE BRING YOU BACK A MORE FORMAL VERSION FOR YOUR RECOMMENDATION AND THAT WILL BE ON OUR AGENDA ON THE 21ST WHEN WE MEET FOR A SHORT PRESENTATION AND A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT TIME WHEN IT WILL COME THE WORK PLAN WILL BE BEFORE US FOR ADOPTION. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YES. AND CHAIR, I GUESS THE ONE THING I WOULD SAY IS JUST ON A PROCESS STANDPOINT, IF THIS IS SOMETHING YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS LIKE TO TRY AND KEEP THE BRAINSTORMING WINDOW OPEN AS LONG AS WE CAN BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY GOOD IDEAS THAT GET STIMULATED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR BUT I THINK ONE OF THE LESSONS THAT GLEN AND I DISCUSSED IS JUST THAT I IT'S A GOOD PRACTICE TO BRING THIS TO YOU SOONER A HAVE THIS DISCUSSION EARLIER ON. SO THAT'S SOMETHING CERTAINLY WE'RE GOING TO BE STRIVING TO DO. THANK YOU FOR ADDING THIS IN I THINK AGAIN THE WHOLE PART OF THAT AGAIN UNDER THE STRATEGIC PLAN THERE'S BEEN THE WHOLE PROCESS ABOUT BOARDS ,COMMISSIONS HOW DO WE MAKE THEM MORE WELCOMING AND HOW CAN A CONNECTED AND THE NUMBER OF THINGS I'VE LEARNED ABOUT HOW AND EACH OF OUR BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE UNIQUE SOME OF US ARE MORE HAVE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE AUTHORITY THAN OTHERS DO BUT EVERYONE DOES THINGS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT WHICH IS FINE BUT I WOULD JUST LEARN A NUMBER OF THINGS AND IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN REALLY HELPFUL AND I THINK THIS KIND OF ENGAGEMENT IS AGAIN BECAUSE SO MUCH OF OUR WORK IS TRANSACTIONAL. YES NO DOES DOESN'T WE DON'T ALWAYS WE HAVE SOMETIMES WE GET TO HAVE THE FUN STUFF AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES WHEN WE CAN MAYBE HELP SHAPE SOME OF THE THE DISCRETIONARY THINGS OR THE FUN STUFF. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. ITEM FIVE IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION POLICY AND ISSUE UPDATE AND I WILL START WITH THE PLANNING MANAGER. YEAH. KAREN DECEMBER 7TH WOULD BE YOUR NEXT MEETING HOWEVER. WE HAVE NO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA SO THAT MEETING WILL BE CANCELED SO YOUR ACTUAL NEXT MEETING WILL BE DECEMBER 21ST. WE DO HAVE THREE ITEMS ON THAT AGENDA VARIANCE APPLICATION RELATED TO PARCEL OF FRONTAGE AND THAT'S AT 9946 MAPLE AVENUE SOUTH. SECONDLY, WE HAVE A PRELIMINARY, ELIMINARY AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANNED FOR 201 UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING WITH 11,000 SQUARE FOOT DETACHED DAYCARE . THAT'S AT 6701 WEST 78TH STREET. AND THEN FINALLY WE HAVE THE REVIEW APPROVAL OF YOUR 2024 PLANNING COMMISSION WORK PLAN. PRESENTLY WE DON'T HAVE ANY ITEMS FOR JANUARY 4TH MEETING BUT THERE COULD BE CONTINUANCES FROM DECEMBER 21ST OR POTENTIALLY SOME STUDY ITEMS. SO IT'S UNCERTAIN WHETHER THAT MEETING WOULD BE REQUIRED. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYONE ON THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO RAISE RAISE? COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. JUST WANT TO SAY WELCOME TO OUR NEWEST COMMISSIONER EXCITED TO HAVE YOU AND NOW WE HAVE SEVEN SO THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. OVER WELL, I'LL GUESS ALBERT . ANYTHING ELSE FOR THIS POLICY ISSUE UPDATE? RIGHT. SEEING THAT WE ARE ADJOURNED UNTIL DECEMBER 21ST